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From Bloomberg:

You Can’t Have Denmark Without Danes

What a small, happy country can teach a huge and fractious one. And what it can’t.

By Megan McArdle
February 22, 2018, 11:00 PM PST

… Denmark showed up in American politics during the first Democratic primary debate in October 2015, when Senator Bernie Sanders cited it when asked about his vision of democratic socialism. “I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway, and learn what they have accomplished for their working people,” Sanders said.

Americans soon learned that Denmark was indeed the happiest country in the world, according to the United Nations World Happiness Report. And also one of the richest, with a per-capita gross domestic product just a few thousand dollars less than the U.S. one. Income inequality is extremely low there, thanks to a combination of high entry-level wages and low executive salaries. Danes enjoy more economic freedom than Americans, according to a Heritage Foundation tally. To the consternation of many conservative economic theorists, they were somehow pulling this off despite the highest tax burden in the world.

… So I went to see for myself.

To an American, Copenhagen can feel like a supersize college campus. The city center is dominated by charming old buildings and cobblestone streets. Thanks to government environmental policies (new vehicles are taxed at 100 percent) and some of the best bike lanes in the world, half the city bikes to work every day, which conveys a youthful feel. The lack of economic pressure also feels collegiate to those of us who studied on a combination of loans and parental contributions.

And so, a curmudgeon might note, does the homogeneity of the people you see around you. Although roughly 10 percent of the population consists of immigrants, in the downtown at least, the crowds look strikingly white and blond.

All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes. …

Those conservatives are probably right; they would hate living in Denmark. But that doesn’t mean the Danes do. Even the market liberals I talked to (the closest Denmark has to an American-style libertarian), were pretty pleased with the place.

“A lot of the public sector is incredibly efficient,” said Martin Agerup, the head of Cepos, a Danish free-market think tank.

Don’t get me wrong: Agerup wanted change because Denmark has genuine problems. …

But these are, on the scale of things, reasonably minor problems. They can be fixed. Moreover, there’s some chance that they will be fixed because Denmark’s political culture is remarkably effective at tackling problems that have stymied the rest of the world.

For example, almost alone among the developed countries, Denmark has solved its pension problem, keeping budgets in balance, generously pre-funding private retirement accounts, and linking retirement ages to rising lifespans. After 15 years of watching every other country fail to address the coming demographic bulge, it’s hard not to think that if the Danes can do that, they can do anything.

So, sorry, conservatives: Denmark really does combine high wages with high employment, high taxes with prosperity, fiscal responsibility with high levels of government spending. No wonder leftists ask if policymakers couldn’t do something like that in the U.S.

But also … sorry, leftists. After a week in Copenhagen, the conclusion I came to is that no, they probably can’t. Not because the Danish model doesn’t work, but because it’s so very, very Danish.

A while back, I went to Utah to ask why residents of that state are more upwardly mobile than other Americans. On measures of social mobility, in fact, Utah looks a lot like Denmark. In Salt Lake City, a child born into the bottom fifth of the income-distribution scale has about a 10.8 percent chance of making it into the top fifth; in Denmark, that figure is 11.7 percent.

In other ways, Utah looks little like Denmark: It is highly religious, socially conservative and fiscally restrained. And yet both emit the same feeling of extreme cohesion. You see it in the statistics, but you also see it in everyday life; for example, in their unusually functional governments. …

I heard similar things on my recent trip. You can see it in the data: Overall, Danes report high levels of trust in one another and in their government.

The right of center ruling coalition in Denmark for most of this century has been staunchly immigration restrictionist.

Jeff Bezos recently hired Ms. McArdle as a Washington Post columnist. A better choice than his previous hire, Max Boot. Being the richest man in the world has its privileges and it’s good to see Bezos daring to indulge himself more this time than in his submissive choice of Boot.

 
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  1. Sozialdemokraten wollen Asylrecht auf dänischem Boden abschaffen

    Mette Frederiksen ist erst 40 Jahre alt und bereits die Chefin von Dänemarks stärkster Partei, den Sozialdemokraten.

    The largest party in Denmark has suggested eliminating the right to asylum — I hope despite pushback they follow through — every white country must do the same — especially the smaller ones, population-wise.

    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/morgoth_rev/status/967800132170321920
    , @eah
    Asyl: Staatsrechtler schlägt Grundgesetzänderung vor

    Der Staatsrechtler Rupert Scholz hat eine Änderung des Asylrechts im Grundgesetz gefordert. Die derzeitige Regelung, nach der Asyl ein stets einklagbares Grundrecht ist, sei nicht länger hinnehmbar, schrieb Scholz in einem Beitrag für die Welt. Entsprechend müsse die Verfassung geändert werden.

    Some Germans are saying similar things: change is necessary -- in Germany, every person denied asylum ('refugee status') can appeal this decision (asylum ist ein "einklagbares Grundrecht") -- and huge numbers do appeal -- this creates tremendous costs, not only in the courts, but also due to the fact these asylum seekers continue to receive financial support during their appeals, which can take years -- related to the influx beginning in 2015, there is now a huge backlog of such asylum appeals -- recently it was estimated it will take years for the courts to work thru these -- all of this is simply unsustainable.
  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it’s ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It’s pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn’t be the same if it weren’t able to free ride on larger polities.

    • Replies: @eD
    "It’s pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn’t be the same if it weren’t able to free ride on larger polities."

    People do this all the time, and its one of those things on the internets guaranteed to drive me up the wall.

    Do you want to compare Denmark to another country in the Western Hemisphere? Try comparing it to Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica). Costa Rica has a population of five million, to Denmark's six, and like Denmark is tacitly under the protection of more powerful neighboring countries so they don't, for example, have to worry about having a defense budget.

    It turns out you can have a pretty nice country as long as you are small and are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors. This even can work with not-so-benevolent neighbors, Finland did pretty well during the Cold War when it was pretty much a protectorate of the USSR.

    It can get more ridiculous, I keep seeing Iceland, population of about 100,000, cited as something that can be imitated.
    , @Wilkey
    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it’s ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It’s pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn’t be the same if it weren’t able to free ride on larger polities.

    Denmark today probably has more Diversiduh than any European nation state had a mere century ago - and those European countries managed to conquer and revolutionize the world. And what diversity Europe did have 100 years ago would today be called...just a whole lot of white people.

    , @Almost Missouri
    The US, the "larger polity" that Denmark is "free riding" on, used to have high social mobility, low inequality, high social trust and national happiness, just like Denmark today.

    Then something changed.

    What was it ... what was it ... hmmmm ....
    , @Anonymous
    This shit-talk about nation states 'free-riding' - a stupid, nasty piece of Economist style empty pomposity if their ever was one - really gets on my wick.

    Everything the Danes have is due to their selves, and their own hard work and efficiency. They are no more 'free-riders' than Manhattanites or Jeff Bezos are.
    All they ask of the outside world is the 'right' not to be invaded, and respected as an independent sovereign entity - the 'right' to be left alone in other words. The same 'right' that you expect of a good neighbor not to start bullying you. Courtesy and respect, in other words.
    Apart from that, they meekly request the privilege of selling goods you might wish to buy to willing customers - no different to the door-to-door salesman who humbly knocks on your door bearing his case of goodies.

    , @Seamus Padraig
    There's truth to that. But then again, pretty much all of the other European countries are also EU-affiliated and under NATO 'protection', yet they are rapidly turning into diversity shit-holes just like us. So the question remains: what makes Denmark different? Not just from us, but from them.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "it’s ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO"

    What exactly are the US and NATO protecting it from? Putin's hordes?

    Certainly not foreign invasion, which the EU, the US (see the French wikileaks cables) and NATO are encouraging..
    , @Charles Pewitt
    The US and NATO are the same thing.

    What patriots need to do is to get the American Empire to act more like a republic that is responsive to the civilization that created it. NATO should be terminated as it exists only to further destroy European Christendom and national sovereignty. The European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization must be pushed off a cliff.

    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire is using its control of the US government and the US military to financialize, globalize and multiculturalize every nation under its sway.

    I love those beautiful Danish butter cookies. Pernille Vermund is one of the sweetest.
  3. @eah
    Sozialdemokraten wollen Asylrecht auf dänischem Boden abschaffen

    Mette Frederiksen ist erst 40 Jahre alt und bereits die Chefin von Dänemarks stärkster Partei, den Sozialdemokraten.

    The largest party in Denmark has suggested eliminating the right to asylum -- I hope despite pushback they follow through -- every white country must do the same -- especially the smaller ones, population-wise.

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    Wouldn't at least some of that be from natural increase? I don't where he gets the idea that all one million are going to be immigrants. Since Ireland has fewer people today than it did in 1840, overpopulation is hardly likely to be a problem any time soon.
    , @KM32
    I have an Irish friend who is always going on about how the English invaded his country, planted colonists, destroyed the Irish language, etc. He is also in favor of unlimited immigration to his country, which he thinks was terrible until about 25 years ago.

    Oh, and he is 45 with a 40 year old (Polish) girlfriend, and has no kids.
    , @The Alarmist
    When have the Irish people ever been asked what they really want?
  4. That elites have to be told, repeatedly, that the policies that are successful in a small, homogenous country can’t be replicated in a large, diverse country is a bad sign. It’s even worse that they still choose not to accept the obvious even after they can see what they results are.

    The left is currently being held off in Denmark, but the push for diversity has never stopped. Given the proximity to Malmo, Sweden some of their problems are bound to spill over as well.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    It seems quite possible that seeing what's happened to Sweden has actually minimized the Danish collective will to increase immigration, especially from countries that aren't "strikingly white and blond," as McArdle rather undelicately phrased it. The Swedes are obviously culturally and racially similar to the Danes, the Swedes seem to have fallen victim to the sunk cost fallacy. Having already invested a great deal into multiculturalism, too many of them want to just double up on their efforts in order to avoid the ugliness that would come from hardening their immigration stance. Whereas the Danes may have learned lessons from the Swedes that the Swedes are too foolish to have learned themselves.
    , @Anonymous
    Ultimately, Denmark cannot remain in the EU - and limit third world immigration. For example, in just a few years' time, the hundreds of thousands of invaders currently sequestered in Greece and Italy will have the full 'right' to enter Denmark and partake of the Danish way of life. Similarly, the millions of third world origin people in France, Germany, Sweden etc potentially have the full 'right' to move in on Denmark if the economies of those nations tank, due, not least, to the immigrants themselves.
    Without limiting third world immigration it cannot maintain its welfare state - the math makes it impossible.
    At some point in the future, Denmark must choose between the EU and citizens' living standards.
    , @MBlanc46
    It's not that the elites are ill informed. They just don’t care.
  5. State of Denmark rotten status: 10%.

    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  6. high entry-level wages and low executive salaries

    there is the money quote, people

    Consider the jackass currently warming Steve Jobs’s chair at 10x Jobs’s salary.

  7. Go line by line thru what the Danes spend their public money on and do the same in the US. Denmark doesn’t have millions of dysfunctional, functionally illiterate, and violent nams that have to be dealt with. No defense budget, or at least nothing expensive.

    They have a well behaved, functional population. So they ain’t wasting billions on taking care of losers…

    I thought McArdle was brighter than this.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    I thought McArdle was brighter than this.
     
    She's not really. She's one of those explainers who paints on the canvas of conventional wisdom with different paint brush. She goes to some length in the article to debunk "conservatives," when in reality she's debunking a straw man. For all her supposed business and economics acumen, she uses a small sample of the world (Denmark) to discover an outlier--a small sample being exactly where one finds statistical outliers.

    If she wanted to write about social trust (for a US audience) she could've read Robert Putnam's "Bowling Alone." But that would be devastating for her libertarian open borders sensibility. And Putnam is a left-liberal.
  8. OT: The increasingly unhinged Vanity Fair editor Kurt Eichenwald is threatening to sue a YouTube videoblogger because the YouTuber said Eichenwald was a werido and that the YouTuber wouldn’t want Eichenwald babysitting his daughter.

    Backstory:

    The YouTuber named his channel Diversity & Comics (D&C), and his channel is basically him making fun of the SJW-infestation in comics and pointing out how awful the SJW-made comics are. D&C’s a pretty laid back guy, but the SJWs in comics are furious at him because he’s ripped them apart quite convincingly, as D&C is a big comic fan with a lot of knowledge.

    The SJWs have made some open threats against D&C and wished D&C was dead. Eichenwald (who has nothing to do with comics) noticed this and called out the SJWs for it. D&C heard about this, and looked up Eichenwald’s backstory, including Eichenwald’s child porn purchases and hentai obsession, and concluded that Eichenwald was a weird and D&C wouldn’t be comfortable with Eichenwald being around D&C’s daughter.

    Eichenwald got upset that D&C said this, and sent D&C a threatening email that said that if D&C didn’t give the “correct” opinion fo Eichenwald, Eichenwald would sue him—and Eichenwald threatened D&C that if D&C told people about the threat, Eichenwald would sue. D&C called his bluff and put out a video where he displayed the email in detail and read it aloud. So Eichenwald is now claiming he’s going to sue because it’s “libel” to have a bad opinion on Eichenwald based on facts.

    Eichenwald, in short, is absolutely losing it.

    You guys might remember Eichenwald as the guy who had the complete bizarre meltdown on Tucker Carlson. This wasn’t the typical “Host trips up guest with questions”, this was “Guest acts in insanely crazy way while Host at first thinks he’s joking and then Host slowly realizes Guest has serious mental problems”:

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Just to clarify, Eichenwald defended D&C out of nowhere from wishes from SJWs wanting D&C dead. But D&C looked up Eichenwald and concluded that this new "ally" Eichenwald was way creepier than he wanted as a defender.

    Eichenwald whirled and attacked D&C for not slobbering all over Eichenwald as a protector and instead commenting on the massive darkness in Eichenwald's life and EIchenwald's unhinged behavior---of which this is now a part.
    , @syonredux
    I haven't read comics on a serious level since I was 14....but, prior to that, I was a massive comics fan, reading not only the new stuff as it came out but also (via a friendly uncle) huge quantities of stuff from the '60s and '70s.

    That being the case, I do like to occasionally glance at what's coming out nowadays (Are old favorites still being bought? So-and-so is back from the dead?). And one thing that I have noticed is that the Poz has reached toxic (to use a favorite expression of the SJWs) levels: Tony Stark replaced by a super-genius Black girl, bisexual Latinx punching Hitler, a woman wielding Mjolnir, etc.

    I've watched a few of the videos posted by Diversity & Comics, and he does a good job of pointing out just how unreadable current comics are. I can't imagine my 10-year old self making it through more than a tiny fraction of what is currently being published.
    , @AndrewR
    Unless you're leaving something out, the only conclusion is that "your boy Zack" is a retard for attacking someone who had defended him. I hate Eichenwald but, if he defended me, I would either thank him or just ignore it, depending on context. If the creepiest person in the world defended me, I would probably just not say anything.

    If someone said "lol you have a child hentai lover defending you" (or whatever Eichenwald has been accused of - I really do not give the slightest damn about verifying any allegations I hear about him), I would say "if he really watches child hentai then that's nasty but that has absolutely nothing to do with the soundness of his argument, and it certainly doesn't justify what has been said to me."

    Sounds like this Zac dude just loves drama and stirs it up even when it's entirely unnecessary.

    , @kimchilover
    I stopped reading comics a couple of decades ago but I'm a really big fan of D&C. He didn't attack Eichenwald for defending him. When he found out that a pretty well known journalist who didn't know anything about comics defended him in a Tweet he decided to do a video of it entitled "Left-Wing Journalist SHOCKED By The Violent Extremism Of SJW Comic Book Pros." The contents of the video included screen shots of Eichenwald's original Tweet as well as screenshots of the enraged SJW's responses. Some of these responses mentioned Eichenwald's skeevy sex allegations and D&C made of few asides in the line of "Admittedly, I wouldn't want this guy watching my kid...he seems kinda grimey." Zach (real name Richard Meyer) has really put his butt on the line making these very intelligent (and very funny) videos calling out the radical leftist idealouges that are ruining the comics industry. He's making an impact too.
    , @J.Ross
    Eichenwald is also a major illustration of Chosen Privilege since he can make up plainly fictitious stories about medical trauma and being other people, and be taken completely seriously in court, to the extent of doxing and imprisoning an online heckler. After a critic calling himself "Jew Goldstein" sent Eichenwald an animated gif with a strobing effect (which would have to be deliverately activated by Eichenwald in order to play), Eichenwald claimed to have suffered a seizure, then claimed to be his wife announcing to the world that he\she was calling the police, then found and sued "Goldstein," who went to jail for daring to criticize his betters.
    The major thing I know about Eichenwald for (besides pseudo-advocacy pedophilia and being a vindictive stasi three-incher) is the Matt Damon film The Informant, which depends heavily on Eichenwald's journalism. Buried in the freakshow mockery of a successful executive with a bizarre personality disorder is a totally unimportant minor little thing about an unaccountable agribusiness giant lying about genetically modified food. So the nicest thing you can say about this enthusiast of Italianate flatbread is that he lives to do hit pieces on nonthreatening people. We can only pray his Schnoppy's delivery is on time.
  9. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s kind of odd that Denmark runs a pretty big chunk of land in the western hemisphere, namely Greenland.

    Sirius Dog Sled Patrol:

    “…an elite Danish naval unit. It conducts long-range reconnaissance patrolling, and enforces Danish sovereignty in the Arctic wilderness of northern and eastern Greenland…

    …has the ability to engage militarily, and has done so historically. Its purpose is to maintain Danish sovereignty…

    …activated in the summer of 1941 during World War II to conduct long-range reconnaissance patrols along the northeast coast of Greenland thereby preventing German presence…

    …the Germans established a number of secret weather stations… with invaluable meteorological information both to assist their U-boat campaign…

    …consists of six dog sled teams for the duration of the year, each consisting of two men, and 11 to 15 dogs…

    …the autumn patrol starts sometime in November, and lasts until late-December…

    …””The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably…

    …patrolmen feel that the full metal jacket bullet on the military round is best against polar bears at long range, but that the hollow-points are better against an enraged musk ox. Typically, the patrolmen arrange their stripper clips so every third round is a hollow-point…”

    When’s the last time GreenLand Today was cited at iSteve?

    “THE SIRIUS SLED PATROL”, Greenland Today, 19 July 2015:

    “…Daneborg is headquarters for the Sirius Sled Patrol. …

    …It is not about doing the most push-ups or running faster. It is about finding a dynamic group of people who can work together and who have different skills. The group usually includes many craftsmen…

    … Regardless of what equipment you have, you will die if you don’t respect the weather…

    …if a dog pees on the chain, it can freeze to the ground and hold them down if there is heavy snowfall…

    …you do not bathe…”

    • Agree: Sarah Toga
    • Replies: @27 year old
    White people are awesome
    , @ThreeCranes
    One of my favorite anecdotes coming from Danish Greenland was told by Peter Freuchen in his book "Vagrant Viking". He and Knud Rasmussen were the first white men to successfully cross Greenland by dog sled. He (maybe both of them) married a native Inuit woman way back around 1915 or so.

    Anyway, on one of his many dogsled trips Freuchen encountered a severe storm. It was so bad he took refuge under his sled, the usual strategy in such cases. The dogs were left outside to curl up, head to tail and be covered by drifts, which kept them warm.

    Peter slept peacefully, unworried, having been through this sort of thing before. When he woke up, the storm had abated. It only remained for him to kick out the hide covering the end of the sled and emerge from his snug cocoon. Unfortunately, when he went to do so, he discovered that the hide had frozen solidly in place and wouldn't budge. So he tried the other end of the sleigh. Nothing doing. He thought to himself, "I'll have to cut myself out" and reached for the trusty sheath knife that he wore strapped about his waist. Oh sh*t! It wasn't there. He must have left it up top, looped over the handle of the sleigh. Dam*.

    He went back to kicking until he realized it was futile. He tried clawing at the hide but it was frozen so hard that all he succeeded in doing was ripping the skin off his fingers. He was well and truly stuck. This was bad. He would freeze to death if he couldn't find some stick, some piece of bone or hard object with which to hack away at the unyielding leather.. He fell into a funk and contemplated death.

    Then inspiration struck. He realized that he had one thing at his disposal that could conceivably be used as an implement and that was one of his own turds. So he took a dump and while it was still warm and pliable, fashioned it into a crude chisel. Once it had hardened, he used it to hack his way through the ice around the hide and did indeed succeed in freeing himself.

    As 27 year old says, White people are truly awesome.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    The US tried to buy Greenland from Denmark during the Truman administration, in the early stages of the Cold War. There were only a few hundred Danish people living on the island at the time. The American Secretary of State met with the Danish Foreign Minister and made an offer, but nothing came of it.

    As an American, I think it would have been cool if the deal had gone through. Besides just being another big chunk of territory on world maps, Greenland now includes a big pie slice of rights to drill for oil in the Arctic Ocean.

    It's really cool to fly over Greenland. That happens sometimes on flights between North America and Europe. You can look down and be surprised by "sublime" mountains, alpine lakes and icebergs off the coast.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It’s kind of odd that Denmark runs a pretty big chunk of land in the western hemisphere, namely Greenland.
     
    But they were smart enough to unload the Virgins on us. Who can we sell Puerto Rico to?

    My dad was sent to Thule Air Base for a few months in the early '60s. Thanks to that, we were the first kids on the block to have Legos. They sold them in the PX.
    , @Twinkie

    …””The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably…
     
    Anyone who has done northern warfare training knows to run guns dry (no lubricant) in very cold weather. At a certain temperature point the lubricant freezes and seizes the action. AR-15 type rifles need a good bit of lubrication, so they do poorly. Long piston guns (e.g. AKs) do better, but even they gum up eventually. Bolt guns are run by hand, so they work best. For example, the Canadian Rangers used the .303 Lee-Enfield until very recently.
  10. @whorefinder
    OT: The increasingly unhinged Vanity Fair editor Kurt Eichenwald is threatening to sue a YouTube videoblogger because the YouTuber said Eichenwald was a werido and that the YouTuber wouldn't want Eichenwald babysitting his daughter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT33nTHW1VQ

    Backstory:

    The YouTuber named his channel Diversity & Comics (D&C), and his channel is basically him making fun of the SJW-infestation in comics and pointing out how awful the SJW-made comics are. D&C's a pretty laid back guy, but the SJWs in comics are furious at him because he's ripped them apart quite convincingly, as D&C is a big comic fan with a lot of knowledge.

    The SJWs have made some open threats against D&C and wished D&C was dead. Eichenwald (who has nothing to do with comics) noticed this and called out the SJWs for it. D&C heard about this, and looked up Eichenwald's backstory, including Eichenwald's child porn purchases and hentai obsession, and concluded that Eichenwald was a weird and D&C wouldn't be comfortable with Eichenwald being around D&C's daughter.

    Eichenwald got upset that D&C said this, and sent D&C a threatening email that said that if D&C didn't give the "correct" opinion fo Eichenwald, Eichenwald would sue him---and Eichenwald threatened D&C that if D&C told people about the threat, Eichenwald would sue. D&C called his bluff and put out a video where he displayed the email in detail and read it aloud. So Eichenwald is now claiming he's going to sue because it's "libel" to have a bad opinion on Eichenwald based on facts.

    Eichenwald, in short, is absolutely losing it.

    You guys might remember Eichenwald as the guy who had the complete bizarre meltdown on Tucker Carlson. This wasn't the typical "Host trips up guest with questions", this was "Guest acts in insanely crazy way while Host at first thinks he's joking and then Host slowly realizes Guest has serious mental problems": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ophbx1iaF8

    Just to clarify, Eichenwald defended D&C out of nowhere from wishes from SJWs wanting D&C dead. But D&C looked up Eichenwald and concluded that this new “ally” Eichenwald was way creepier than he wanted as a defender.

    Eichenwald whirled and attacked D&C for not slobbering all over Eichenwald as a protector and instead commenting on the massive darkness in Eichenwald’s life and EIchenwald’s unhinged behavior—of which this is now a part.

  11. So you’re saying the solution is to invade Denmark?

    • LOL: whorefinder
  12. I fear McArdle’s move to the WaPo will result in her relative good sense being swallowed up by the paywall and lost to the wider Internet.

    • Replies: @SonOfStrom
    I think the term in the journo biz is “Kill or Capture” - at the National Enquirer-level they do it with stories, at the Bezos-level they do it with people and ideas.
  13. @Anonymous
    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it's ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It's pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn't be the same if it weren't able to free ride on larger polities.

    “It’s pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn’t be the same if it weren’t able to free ride on larger polities.”

    People do this all the time, and its one of those things on the internets guaranteed to drive me up the wall.

    Do you want to compare Denmark to another country in the Western Hemisphere? Try comparing it to Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica). Costa Rica has a population of five million, to Denmark’s six, and like Denmark is tacitly under the protection of more powerful neighboring countries so they don’t, for example, have to worry about having a defense budget.

    It turns out you can have a pretty nice country as long as you are small and are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors. This even can work with not-so-benevolent neighbors, Finland did pretty well during the Cold War when it was pretty much a protectorate of the USSR.

    It can get more ridiculous, I keep seeing Iceland, population of about 100,000, cited as something that can be imitated.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "you can have a pretty nice country as long as you are small and are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors."
     
    You can also have a pretty crappy country while you are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors.

    El Salvador also has a population of six million, and was under the protection of the US to the extent of even receiving direct US financial and military aid, yet somehow it never became a "pretty nice country". Its best known export is MS-13.

    Small, large, protectorate, independent, this, that, whatever, whatever ... it is all irrelevant.

    In the game of national real estate, three things matter: genetics, genetics, and genetics.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    This is a copout. If Denmark spent more on defense it would still be a nice place. Haiti spends nothing on defense and is a terrible place.

    Size is a copout as well. A large enough land area with 100 million Danes would be a nice place to live too.

    And by the way: what sort of conservatives would roll their eyes at a downtown full of blond people?

    Megan doesn’t grok the perspective of Trump voters, who aren’t libertarian spergs. To the extent that they are wary of big government it’s because government in America is often staffed by people who are either incompetent or hostile to them. If they had a government like Denmark’s they’d feel differently.

  14. And so, a curmudgeon might note, does the homogeneity of the people you see around you. Although roughly 10 percent of the population consists of immigrants, in the downtown at least, the crowds look strikingly white and blond.

    All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes.

    Not this conservative….

    • Replies: @istevefan

    All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes. …
     
    Yes, that caught my eye too. Was this supposed to a joke, or did she just insert conservative instead of progressive?

    She originally stated she investigated Denmark because Bernie brought it up in a debate. Seems to me the lack of diversity would be a sticking point for those on the left who routinely denounce institutions for being too white.

    Conservatives might point out the extreme whiteness of a leftwing group such as the Huffington Post editorial board or Obama's reelection staff, which Steve covered. But it is done to ridicule and point out the hypocrisy.

    Is she trying to say conservatives would roll their eyes as a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of such a paradise, or is she suggesting conservatives would be genuinely upset about Denmark's lack of diversity?
    , @Old Palo Altan
    I know Denmark and the Danes fairly well, and have to say that, although they are indubitably white, they are not, generally, particularly blond. The Dutch and the Poles (!) are quite a bit blonder.

    I think McMerkel was making it up to alert her readership as to what sort of reaction was expected of them.
  15. @Anonymous
    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it's ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It's pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn't be the same if it weren't able to free ride on larger polities.

    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it’s ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It’s pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn’t be the same if it weren’t able to free ride on larger polities.

    Denmark today probably has more Diversiduh than any European nation state had a mere century ago – and those European countries managed to conquer and revolutionize the world. And what diversity Europe did have 100 years ago would today be called…just a whole lot of white people.

  16. McArdle’s a babykiller at heart. She makes pretend at being a libertarian, but when the chips are down she always goes straight into a left-wingers’ talking points and dogma.

    Women will always be Marxists. Screw McCardle’s fake libertarianism, Bezos can suck it.

    Also, McCardle is the reason Tennessee Coates is at The Atlantic. She crowed about recruiting him for the magazine—because Diversity. So we can thank her fake libertarian bona fides that we have America’s Foremost Intellectual and Hate Whitey moron Coates taking up space on the American Big Media stage.

  17. On measures of social mobility, in fact, Utah looks a lot like Denmark. In Salt Lake City, a child born into the bottom fifth of the income-distribution scale has about a 10.8 percent chance of making it into the top fifth; in Denmark, that figure is 11.7 percent.

    Perhaps that’s because genetically speaking Utah basically is (soon to be *was*) Denmark. In the 19th and early 20th centuries a lot of Danes converted to Mormonism and migrated to Utah. The three predominant ancestral groups of Utahns (and unlike a lot of people in this country these are people who often actually know their genealogy) are British, German, and Scandinavian. Sitting right smack dab in the middle of those three regions is…Denmark.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    That explains the Mormon named Sorenson I worked with. He was a douche FWIW
    , @Anon7
    Bingo! Was wondering if someone in this thread would bring it up. I'm a Dane on my father's side, they came to the US in 1874 with that same big group, but to the midwest. According to Wikipedia, Sanpete County, Utah was essentially settled by Danes.

    I'm a little bit surprised that Denmark provides lots of generous benefits and pensions, because all of the Danes in my family are cheap, cheap, cheap - but that's because no one is going to take care of you but you. We take care of our own and are probably seen as a bit standoffish to outsiders. Friendly, but not really welcoming. I'm not surprised that Denmark has been resistant to the Invite the World ploy.
  18. She gets as close as politely possible to saying that both Denmark and Utah work because they’re both overwhelmingly white.

    • Replies: @jimbojones
    It's not the whiteness, it's the homogeneity and cohesion.
    Japan and South Korea are stupendously successful societies. Both are non-white and extremely homogeneous.
    Homogeneity is not a sufficient condition for success. Perhaps it is not even necessary. But it does go a long way.

    By the way, you CAN have Denmark in the US. It's called the Northeast. It's called the Northwest. It's called the Dakotas. It's called Canada (30 years ago). It's white, socially cohesive, high-trust, and successful beyond belief. Most of the pathology in American life is concentrated where the following groups reside: Blacks, Hispanics, Amerindians, and the so-called Rednecks.
  19. I’m sure high trust makes for pleasant living, but it also makes your society soft, naive, vulnerable, and a little odd, in my opinion. Should consider a middle ground.

    • Agree: rogue-one
    • Replies: @istevefan

    I’m sure high trust makes for pleasant living, but it also makes your society soft, naive, vulnerable, and a little odd, in my opinion. Should consider a middle ground.
     
    Has high trust hurt the Japanese? Has it hurt the Israelis? Maybe it is the combination of high trust and white Christians, or at least whites who have been culturally influenced by Christianity as in the case of the irreligious Danes.
    , @Anonymous
    The naivety is just the product of the popular media, especially television, which in every western country only reports the good and never the bad things about diversity.
  20. @Anonymous
    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it's ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It's pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn't be the same if it weren't able to free ride on larger polities.

    The US, the “larger polity” that Denmark is “free riding” on, used to have high social mobility, low inequality, high social trust and national happiness, just like Denmark today.

    Then something changed.

    What was it … what was it … hmmmm ….

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
    you know you strike a lost chord . . . it's on the tip of my tongue . . . gotta keep a note pad on the night stand in case it pops into mind at 3 AM.
    , @Corvinus
    "The US, the “larger polity” that Denmark is “free riding” on, used to have high social mobility, low inequality, high social trust and national happiness, just like Denmark today."

    That is exactly what the English said before the non-English invaded the Thirteen Colonies. Unless you are able to trace yourself directly to the motherland--England--you have to go back.
  21. @eah
    https://twitter.com/morgoth_rev/status/967800132170321920

    Wouldn’t at least some of that be from natural increase? I don’t where he gets the idea that all one million are going to be immigrants. Since Ireland has fewer people today than it did in 1840, overpopulation is hardly likely to be a problem any time soon.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Ireland could not support its 1840 population.

    Many either starved to death or emigrated.
  22. @Barnard
    That elites have to be told, repeatedly, that the policies that are successful in a small, homogenous country can't be replicated in a large, diverse country is a bad sign. It's even worse that they still choose not to accept the obvious even after they can see what they results are.

    The left is currently being held off in Denmark, but the push for diversity has never stopped. Given the proximity to Malmo, Sweden some of their problems are bound to spill over as well.

    It seems quite possible that seeing what’s happened to Sweden has actually minimized the Danish collective will to increase immigration, especially from countries that aren’t “strikingly white and blond,” as McArdle rather undelicately phrased it. The Swedes are obviously culturally and racially similar to the Danes, the Swedes seem to have fallen victim to the sunk cost fallacy. Having already invested a great deal into multiculturalism, too many of them want to just double up on their efforts in order to avoid the ugliness that would come from hardening their immigration stance. Whereas the Danes may have learned lessons from the Swedes that the Swedes are too foolish to have learned themselves.

  23. @whorefinder
    OT: The increasingly unhinged Vanity Fair editor Kurt Eichenwald is threatening to sue a YouTube videoblogger because the YouTuber said Eichenwald was a werido and that the YouTuber wouldn't want Eichenwald babysitting his daughter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT33nTHW1VQ

    Backstory:

    The YouTuber named his channel Diversity & Comics (D&C), and his channel is basically him making fun of the SJW-infestation in comics and pointing out how awful the SJW-made comics are. D&C's a pretty laid back guy, but the SJWs in comics are furious at him because he's ripped them apart quite convincingly, as D&C is a big comic fan with a lot of knowledge.

    The SJWs have made some open threats against D&C and wished D&C was dead. Eichenwald (who has nothing to do with comics) noticed this and called out the SJWs for it. D&C heard about this, and looked up Eichenwald's backstory, including Eichenwald's child porn purchases and hentai obsession, and concluded that Eichenwald was a weird and D&C wouldn't be comfortable with Eichenwald being around D&C's daughter.

    Eichenwald got upset that D&C said this, and sent D&C a threatening email that said that if D&C didn't give the "correct" opinion fo Eichenwald, Eichenwald would sue him---and Eichenwald threatened D&C that if D&C told people about the threat, Eichenwald would sue. D&C called his bluff and put out a video where he displayed the email in detail and read it aloud. So Eichenwald is now claiming he's going to sue because it's "libel" to have a bad opinion on Eichenwald based on facts.

    Eichenwald, in short, is absolutely losing it.

    You guys might remember Eichenwald as the guy who had the complete bizarre meltdown on Tucker Carlson. This wasn't the typical "Host trips up guest with questions", this was "Guest acts in insanely crazy way while Host at first thinks he's joking and then Host slowly realizes Guest has serious mental problems": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ophbx1iaF8

    I haven’t read comics on a serious level since I was 14….but, prior to that, I was a massive comics fan, reading not only the new stuff as it came out but also (via a friendly uncle) huge quantities of stuff from the ’60s and ’70s.

    That being the case, I do like to occasionally glance at what’s coming out nowadays (Are old favorites still being bought? So-and-so is back from the dead?). And one thing that I have noticed is that the Poz has reached toxic (to use a favorite expression of the SJWs) levels: Tony Stark replaced by a super-genius Black girl, bisexual Latinx punching Hitler, a woman wielding Mjolnir, etc.

    I’ve watched a few of the videos posted by Diversity & Comics, and he does a good job of pointing out just how unreadable current comics are. I can’t imagine my 10-year old self making it through more than a tiny fraction of what is currently being published.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Here's a representative sample of his work:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIVd1_-thlA
    , @silviosilver

    That being the case, I do like to occasionally glance at what’s coming out nowadays (Are old favorites still being bought? So-and-so is back from the dead?). And one thing that I have noticed is that the Poz has reached toxic (to use a favorite expression of the SJWs) levels: Tony Stark replaced by a super-genius Black girl, bisexual Latinx punching Hitler, a woman wielding Mjolnir, etc.
     
    There's some good stuff out there from smaller publishers like Dynamite, Dark Horse, Image, much of it completely free of poz. (Although nothing I'd call politically incorrect.)
  24. @syonredux
    I haven't read comics on a serious level since I was 14....but, prior to that, I was a massive comics fan, reading not only the new stuff as it came out but also (via a friendly uncle) huge quantities of stuff from the '60s and '70s.

    That being the case, I do like to occasionally glance at what's coming out nowadays (Are old favorites still being bought? So-and-so is back from the dead?). And one thing that I have noticed is that the Poz has reached toxic (to use a favorite expression of the SJWs) levels: Tony Stark replaced by a super-genius Black girl, bisexual Latinx punching Hitler, a woman wielding Mjolnir, etc.

    I've watched a few of the videos posted by Diversity & Comics, and he does a good job of pointing out just how unreadable current comics are. I can't imagine my 10-year old self making it through more than a tiny fraction of what is currently being published.

    Here’s a representative sample of his work:

  25. @eD
    "It’s pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn’t be the same if it weren’t able to free ride on larger polities."

    People do this all the time, and its one of those things on the internets guaranteed to drive me up the wall.

    Do you want to compare Denmark to another country in the Western Hemisphere? Try comparing it to Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica). Costa Rica has a population of five million, to Denmark's six, and like Denmark is tacitly under the protection of more powerful neighboring countries so they don't, for example, have to worry about having a defense budget.

    It turns out you can have a pretty nice country as long as you are small and are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors. This even can work with not-so-benevolent neighbors, Finland did pretty well during the Cold War when it was pretty much a protectorate of the USSR.

    It can get more ridiculous, I keep seeing Iceland, population of about 100,000, cited as something that can be imitated.

    “you can have a pretty nice country as long as you are small and are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors.”

    You can also have a pretty crappy country while you are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors.

    El Salvador also has a population of six million, and was under the protection of the US to the extent of even receiving direct US financial and military aid, yet somehow it never became a “pretty nice country”. Its best known export is MS-13.

    Small, large, protectorate, independent, this, that, whatever, whatever … it is all irrelevant.

    In the game of national real estate, three things matter: genetics, genetics, and genetics.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States.
  26. @whorefinder
    OT: The increasingly unhinged Vanity Fair editor Kurt Eichenwald is threatening to sue a YouTube videoblogger because the YouTuber said Eichenwald was a werido and that the YouTuber wouldn't want Eichenwald babysitting his daughter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT33nTHW1VQ

    Backstory:

    The YouTuber named his channel Diversity & Comics (D&C), and his channel is basically him making fun of the SJW-infestation in comics and pointing out how awful the SJW-made comics are. D&C's a pretty laid back guy, but the SJWs in comics are furious at him because he's ripped them apart quite convincingly, as D&C is a big comic fan with a lot of knowledge.

    The SJWs have made some open threats against D&C and wished D&C was dead. Eichenwald (who has nothing to do with comics) noticed this and called out the SJWs for it. D&C heard about this, and looked up Eichenwald's backstory, including Eichenwald's child porn purchases and hentai obsession, and concluded that Eichenwald was a weird and D&C wouldn't be comfortable with Eichenwald being around D&C's daughter.

    Eichenwald got upset that D&C said this, and sent D&C a threatening email that said that if D&C didn't give the "correct" opinion fo Eichenwald, Eichenwald would sue him---and Eichenwald threatened D&C that if D&C told people about the threat, Eichenwald would sue. D&C called his bluff and put out a video where he displayed the email in detail and read it aloud. So Eichenwald is now claiming he's going to sue because it's "libel" to have a bad opinion on Eichenwald based on facts.

    Eichenwald, in short, is absolutely losing it.

    You guys might remember Eichenwald as the guy who had the complete bizarre meltdown on Tucker Carlson. This wasn't the typical "Host trips up guest with questions", this was "Guest acts in insanely crazy way while Host at first thinks he's joking and then Host slowly realizes Guest has serious mental problems": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ophbx1iaF8

    Unless you’re leaving something out, the only conclusion is that “your boy Zack” is a retard for attacking someone who had defended him. I hate Eichenwald but, if he defended me, I would either thank him or just ignore it, depending on context. If the creepiest person in the world defended me, I would probably just not say anything.

    If someone said “lol you have a child hentai lover defending you” (or whatever Eichenwald has been accused of – I really do not give the slightest damn about verifying any allegations I hear about him), I would say “if he really watches child hentai then that’s nasty but that has absolutely nothing to do with the soundness of his argument, and it certainly doesn’t justify what has been said to me.”

    Sounds like this Zac dude just loves drama and stirs it up even when it’s entirely unnecessary.

    • Replies: @whorefinder


    If someone said “lol you have a child hentai lover defending you” (or whatever Eichenwald has been accused of – I really do not give the slightest damn about verifying any allegations I hear about him), I would say “if he really watches child hentai then that’s nasty but that has absolutely nothing to do with the soundness of his argument, and it certainly doesn’t justify what has been said to me."
     


    Autistic troll gonna autist. Lefties never do understand rhetoric. Or moral force.

    Sounds like this Zac dude just loves drama and stirs it up even when it’s entirely unnecessary.
     
    ROFL. Oh man, our little closet troll autist is really stepping in it today. Next, he's going to tell us Harvey Wenstein is a great respecter of women. Troll, you couldn't be more wrong than if you'd announced Democrats are in favor of a tough border.
  27. @Wilkey
    On measures of social mobility, in fact, Utah looks a lot like Denmark. In Salt Lake City, a child born into the bottom fifth of the income-distribution scale has about a 10.8 percent chance of making it into the top fifth; in Denmark, that figure is 11.7 percent.

    Perhaps that's because genetically speaking Utah basically is (soon to be *was*) Denmark. In the 19th and early 20th centuries a lot of Danes converted to Mormonism and migrated to Utah. The three predominant ancestral groups of Utahns (and unlike a lot of people in this country these are people who often actually know their genealogy) are British, German, and Scandinavian. Sitting right smack dab in the middle of those three regions is...Denmark.

    That explains the Mormon named Sorenson I worked with. He was a douche FWIW

  28. @eD
    "It’s pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn’t be the same if it weren’t able to free ride on larger polities."

    People do this all the time, and its one of those things on the internets guaranteed to drive me up the wall.

    Do you want to compare Denmark to another country in the Western Hemisphere? Try comparing it to Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica). Costa Rica has a population of five million, to Denmark's six, and like Denmark is tacitly under the protection of more powerful neighboring countries so they don't, for example, have to worry about having a defense budget.

    It turns out you can have a pretty nice country as long as you are small and are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors. This even can work with not-so-benevolent neighbors, Finland did pretty well during the Cold War when it was pretty much a protectorate of the USSR.

    It can get more ridiculous, I keep seeing Iceland, population of about 100,000, cited as something that can be imitated.

    This is a copout. If Denmark spent more on defense it would still be a nice place. Haiti spends nothing on defense and is a terrible place.

    Size is a copout as well. A large enough land area with 100 million Danes would be a nice place to live too.

    And by the way: what sort of conservatives would roll their eyes at a downtown full of blond people?

    Megan doesn’t grok the perspective of Trump voters, who aren’t libertarian spergs. To the extent that they are wary of big government it’s because government in America is often staffed by people who are either incompetent or hostile to them. If they had a government like Denmark’s they’d feel differently.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    "If they had a government like Denmark’s they’d feel differently."

    100% tax on new cars? No thanks, not in our big country.
    , @Anonymous
    Saying it would be a "nice place" and better than Haiti is a copout. Nobody doubts such vague generalities. The point is that it wouldn't have its current mix of welfare and government spending if it had to actually be much more independent.
    , @International Jew

    And by the way: what sort of conservatives would roll their eyes at a downtown full of blond people?
     
    Yeah, that was pretty funny. Who was it — Peter Brimelow? Jared Taylor? — that said, every American conservative would take life in socialist Sweden over life in essentially libertarian Somalia? (And his point was that the national question would be a much more successful campaign issue for the GOP, than the small-government low-tax line they've been emphasizing.)
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Dave, I agree with you. If you take 39 million people and one of the largest land masses on the planet you get Canada. Adding 61 million more people (so you have a population of 100 million) would make Canada less like Denmark and more like Mexico. Huge, rolling plains of grain do not need pickers and pulp forests do not need lumber jacks. Problem is that there isn't a spare 94 million Danes waiting some place to move back to Denmark, but there are millions of soon to be "Canadians" waiting for Trudeau to send them their invitations. And, Canada also has the Artic to the north, the Pacific to the west and the Atlantic to the east, oh, and their southern ass is covered by the USA.
  29. @anonymous
    It's kind of odd that Denmark runs a pretty big chunk of land in the western hemisphere, namely Greenland.

    Sirius Dog Sled Patrol:


    "...an elite Danish naval unit. It conducts long-range reconnaissance patrolling, and enforces Danish sovereignty in the Arctic wilderness of northern and eastern Greenland...

    ...has the ability to engage militarily, and has done so historically. Its purpose is to maintain Danish sovereignty...

    ...activated in the summer of 1941 during World War II to conduct long-range reconnaissance patrols along the northeast coast of Greenland thereby preventing German presence...

    ...the Germans established a number of secret weather stations... with invaluable meteorological information both to assist their U-boat campaign...

    ...

    ...consists of six dog sled teams for the duration of the year, each consisting of two men, and 11 to 15 dogs...

    ...the autumn patrol starts sometime in November, and lasts until late-December...

    ...""The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably...

    ...patrolmen feel that the full metal jacket bullet on the military round is best against polar bears at long range, but that the hollow-points are better against an enraged musk ox. Typically, the patrolmen arrange their stripper clips so every third round is a hollow-point..."

     

    When's the last time GreenLand Today was cited at iSteve?

    "THE SIRIUS SLED PATROL", Greenland Today, 19 July 2015:


    "...Daneborg is headquarters for the Sirius Sled Patrol. ...

    ...It is not about doing the most push-ups or running faster. It is about finding a dynamic group of people who can work together and who have different skills. The group usually includes many craftsmen...

    ... Regardless of what equipment you have, you will die if you don’t respect the weather...

    ...if a dog pees on the chain, it can freeze to the ground and hold them down if there is heavy snowfall...

    ...you do not bathe..."

     

    White people are awesome

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  30. @gunner29
    Go line by line thru what the Danes spend their public money on and do the same in the US. Denmark doesn't have millions of dysfunctional, functionally illiterate, and violent nams that have to be dealt with. No defense budget, or at least nothing expensive.

    They have a well behaved, functional population. So they ain't wasting billions on taking care of losers...

    I thought McArdle was brighter than this.

    I thought McArdle was brighter than this.

    She’s not really. She’s one of those explainers who paints on the canvas of conventional wisdom with different paint brush. She goes to some length in the article to debunk “conservatives,” when in reality she’s debunking a straw man. For all her supposed business and economics acumen, she uses a small sample of the world (Denmark) to discover an outlier–a small sample being exactly where one finds statistical outliers.

    If she wanted to write about social trust (for a US audience) she could’ve read Robert Putnam’s “Bowling Alone.” But that would be devastating for her libertarian open borders sensibility. And Putnam is a left-liberal.

    • Replies: @keypusher
    If she wanted to write about social trust (for a US audience) she could’ve read Robert Putnam’s “Bowling Alone.” But that would be devastating for her libertarian open borders sensibility. And Putnam is a left-liberal.


    Before saying something so evidently absurd, why not google "megan mcardle bowling alone"?

    https://www.cato-unbound.org/2015/03/04/megan-mcardle/its-complicated-hopeful
  31. @syonredux

    And so, a curmudgeon might note, does the homogeneity of the people you see around you. Although roughly 10 percent of the population consists of immigrants, in the downtown at least, the crowds look strikingly white and blond.

    All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes.
     
    Not this conservative....

    All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes. …

    Yes, that caught my eye too. Was this supposed to a joke, or did she just insert conservative instead of progressive?

    She originally stated she investigated Denmark because Bernie brought it up in a debate. Seems to me the lack of diversity would be a sticking point for those on the left who routinely denounce institutions for being too white.

    Conservatives might point out the extreme whiteness of a leftwing group such as the Huffington Post editorial board or Obama’s reelection staff, which Steve covered. But it is done to ridicule and point out the hypocrisy.

    Is she trying to say conservatives would roll their eyes as a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of such a paradise, or is she suggesting conservatives would be genuinely upset about Denmark’s lack of diversity?

    • Replies: @cthulhu
    The "conservatives roll their eyes" was mostly aimed at a passage in the paragraph above the one you're quoting:


    Thanks to government environmental policies (new vehicles are taxed at 100 percent) and some of the best bike lanes in the world, half the city bikes to work every day...

     

    Ms. McArdle is pretty good at noticing, although she has an annoying tendency to want to keep getting invited to the "good" parties, so she is not as intellectually consistent as she could be. Overall I'm sad to see her move to the WaPo though - not least because those of us in her commentariat will have to put up with the WaPo's brain-dead commenters and comment system :-(
    , @Ivy
    Danes obviously need more diversity to boost their Olympic medal count. Isn't there some International Tribunal that can look into such travesties and evidence of discrimination?
    , @Anonymous
    I never did get comic books. Just never did.

    But they have their adult adherents. Chris Stein was a notorious comic hound and that was the genesis of a lot of the Punk era art like 'Mutant Monster Beach Party' with John Holmstrom.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0BeV9RAQFg
    , @Flip
    Bernie's Vermont is even whiter than Denmark.
  32. Denmark obviously needs more diversity! There’s way too much social cohesion in that country!

  33. Denmark’s demographic changes have occurred relatively quickly – the rot hasn’t had time to set in. Give it a generation or two, when Danes start having to deal with the entitled children of Somali immigrants at the Danish equivalent of the DMV.

    • Replies: @Altai
    High crime rates by certain groups in certain areas are non-trivial. It's just the range of the area, there's a lot of space to escape to. It's the big late 90s/early 2000s wave that the Danish Peoples Party stopped, the older wave was about as big as it was for other wealthy welfare states in Europe. So there are a non-trivial number of maladapted 2nd and 3rd generation Arabs, Somalis and Balkans, enough to cause some serious crime, but the total amount of immigrants themselves is very low.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/tag/shooting
    (Not all of these involve non-Danes, there are some Hells Angels biker gangs who cause trouble too)

    Give it a generation and Sweden's crime rates are going to go through the absolute roof not Denmarks. It's those 2nd and 3rd generations that really go wild. It's a ticking time bomb of gang crime and violence that Sweden is sitting on. It's not new Asylum seekers leaving grenades outside Police stations. Additionally the raw ethnic hatred is only really formed in the 2nd generation.
  34. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “In the 19th and early 20th centuries a lot of Danes converted to Mormonism and migrated to Utah.”

    The Mormons conducted some sort of mission to Britain and the Baltic sea areas that resulted in a lot of new (and apparently relatively poor) Mormons. They famously traveled to Utah by pulling handcarts, because they were too poor for horses or oxen. Today there are statues of these people pulling handcarts in Salt Lake City.

    Mormon handcart pioneers (wikipedia):

    “The Mormon handcart pioneers were participants in the migration… to Salt Lake City, Utah, who used handcarts to transport their belongings. The Mormon handcart movement began in 1856 and continued until 1860…

    …lacking funds for full ox or horse teams, nearly 3,000 Mormon pioneers from England, Wales, Scotland and Scandinavia made the journey from Iowa or Nebraska to Utah in ten handcart companies…

    …The trek was disastrous for two of the companies… more than 210 of the 980 pioneers in these two companies died…

    …”Many a father pulled his cart, with his little children on it, until the day preceding his death.”…

    Danes must have been significant to the Mormon migration. This page calls them Danes as the only group, by ethnicity:

    Mormon pioneers, Danish Mormon pioneers:

    “Mormon pioneers emigrated from many countries. Denmark was one… with a large number of Mormon emigrants coming to Utah between 1850 and 1910… The migration of Danes was initiated when missionaries from the LDS Church… were sent to Denmark in 1850. Hansen made the first translation of the Book of Mormon from English, by translating it into Danish

    …Religious freedom was written into the constitution of the Kingdom of Denmark in 1849…

    …opened the area to great success in attaining converts…

    …Box Elder, Cache, Salt Lake, Utah, and Sevier counties had large numbers of Danes listed in 19th Century Utah census totals but Sanpete County was the area where the largest number settled.”

  35. @eah
    https://twitter.com/morgoth_rev/status/967800132170321920

    I have an Irish friend who is always going on about how the English invaded his country, planted colonists, destroyed the Irish language, etc. He is also in favor of unlimited immigration to his country, which he thinks was terrible until about 25 years ago.

    Oh, and he is 45 with a 40 year old (Polish) girlfriend, and has no kids.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    You expect intelligence and reason from an Irishman? Time to cut back on the meds.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Sadly, that's typical of modern Irish people. These days, their nationalism is an utter fraud. It starts and stops with a lot of whining about Britain.
    , @silviosilver
    He sounds like a perfect fit for the new Sinn Fein: Brits out, blacks in.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    The ONLY good thing about the pozzing of Ireland and the decline of Catholicism is that it makes homicidal nationalism somewhat less likely at a time when the status of the Irish border is a major headache for Brexit - in that the losing side in the referendum are saying (hoping?) that the IRA will intervene if there's a meaningful border between Eire and the UK.

    England was a (relatively) tough nut for the globalists to crack - sixty years of cultural revolution and mass immigration, and there's STILL resistance, as Brexit shows.

    Ireland underwent the same changes in thirty-odd years - there were very few immigrants there thirty years ago, and it was still a very Catholic (and nationalist) place.
  36. @istevefan

    All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes. …
     
    Yes, that caught my eye too. Was this supposed to a joke, or did she just insert conservative instead of progressive?

    She originally stated she investigated Denmark because Bernie brought it up in a debate. Seems to me the lack of diversity would be a sticking point for those on the left who routinely denounce institutions for being too white.

    Conservatives might point out the extreme whiteness of a leftwing group such as the Huffington Post editorial board or Obama's reelection staff, which Steve covered. But it is done to ridicule and point out the hypocrisy.

    Is she trying to say conservatives would roll their eyes as a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of such a paradise, or is she suggesting conservatives would be genuinely upset about Denmark's lack of diversity?

    The “conservatives roll their eyes” was mostly aimed at a passage in the paragraph above the one you’re quoting:

    Thanks to government environmental policies (new vehicles are taxed at 100 percent) and some of the best bike lanes in the world, half the city bikes to work every day…

    Ms. McArdle is pretty good at noticing, although she has an annoying tendency to want to keep getting invited to the “good” parties, so she is not as intellectually consistent as she could be. Overall I’m sad to see her move to the WaPo though – not least because those of us in her commentariat will have to put up with the WaPo’s brain-dead commenters and comment system 🙁

    • Replies: @istevefan
    Thanks for the clarification.
  37. @istevefan

    All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes. …
     
    Yes, that caught my eye too. Was this supposed to a joke, or did she just insert conservative instead of progressive?

    She originally stated she investigated Denmark because Bernie brought it up in a debate. Seems to me the lack of diversity would be a sticking point for those on the left who routinely denounce institutions for being too white.

    Conservatives might point out the extreme whiteness of a leftwing group such as the Huffington Post editorial board or Obama's reelection staff, which Steve covered. But it is done to ridicule and point out the hypocrisy.

    Is she trying to say conservatives would roll their eyes as a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of such a paradise, or is she suggesting conservatives would be genuinely upset about Denmark's lack of diversity?

    Danes obviously need more diversity to boost their Olympic medal count. Isn’t there some International Tribunal that can look into such travesties and evidence of discrimination?

  38. Obligatory reminder – when Matt Yglesias got polar bear hunted he was on his way home from Megan McArdle’s house in DC.

    She will NEVER notice non-approved things or come to non-approved conclusions.

    • Replies: @The Man From K Street

    Obligatory reminder – when Matt Yglesias got polar bear hunted he was on his way home from Megan McArdle’s house in DC. She will NEVER notice non-approved things or come to non-approved conclusions.
     
    Also worth remembering that while she herself is not precisely speaking a particularly spergish variety of libertarian, when she reached her sell-by date at the tail end of her 30s, she married her last, best option, a guy (Peter Suderman) some 12 years her junior who practically epitomizes Caplanesque spergishness. She can't rock the boat on the home front.
  39. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Stop saying: “Denmark and Iceland are small countries, we can’t reproduce what they have.” No, they are homogeneous White countries. *That’s* why we can’t reproduce what they have. The problem is not the gross population size, or even the people per square mile, it’s who the people are. You can see countless examples of this, from Australia to South Africa, to Israel, to New Zealand, to all the European colonies in the New World.

    Europeans recreated Europe wherever they went. It’s the people, and it’s not complicated.

    I would have no trouble recreating Iceland on the tip of South America, with a population of 10 million, with all the same social benefits and high standard of living. Give me 10 million Icelanders, and a few decades. I won’t even have to do anything.

    Give me 10 million Haitians instead? An impossible task.

    • Agree: Anonym, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @istevefan

    Europeans recreated Europe wherever they went. It’s the people, and it’s not complicated.
     
    That's a good observation.

    I would have no trouble recreating Iceland on the tip of South America, with a population of 10 million, with all the same social benefits and high standard of living.
     
    They are not Icelanders, but the people of the Falklands seem to have recreated Scotland near the tip of South America.
    , @silviosilver

    No, they are homogeneous White countries. *That’s* why we can’t reproduce what they have. The problem is not the gross population size, or even the people per square mile, it’s who the people are.
     
    Firstly, Denmark isn't all that homogeneous. And anyway, Sweden has even more diversity (running about 20-25% non-Swede), and is much more fanatical about it, yet by every important social metric (except rape), it's doing at least as well as Denmark.

    Secondly, Sweden is more diverse than Britain, but it has a significantly higher per capita GDP and significantly lower income inequality with a somewhat higher, but still reasonable, unemployment rate.

    Thirdly, if a homogeneous white population is all it took, then it's hard to explain why Ukraine is such an incredible mess.

    So while having the 'right people' make up a country goes a long a way to determining what that country is capable of, it's hardly the end of the story. Progress and development won't just occur automatically.

  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes. …
     
    Yes, that caught my eye too. Was this supposed to a joke, or did she just insert conservative instead of progressive?

    She originally stated she investigated Denmark because Bernie brought it up in a debate. Seems to me the lack of diversity would be a sticking point for those on the left who routinely denounce institutions for being too white.

    Conservatives might point out the extreme whiteness of a leftwing group such as the Huffington Post editorial board or Obama's reelection staff, which Steve covered. But it is done to ridicule and point out the hypocrisy.

    Is she trying to say conservatives would roll their eyes as a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of such a paradise, or is she suggesting conservatives would be genuinely upset about Denmark's lack of diversity?

    I never did get comic books. Just never did.

    But they have their adult adherents. Chris Stein was a notorious comic hound and that was the genesis of a lot of the Punk era art like ‘Mutant Monster Beach Party’ with John Holmstrom.

  41. @Dave Pinsen
    This is a copout. If Denmark spent more on defense it would still be a nice place. Haiti spends nothing on defense and is a terrible place.

    Size is a copout as well. A large enough land area with 100 million Danes would be a nice place to live too.

    And by the way: what sort of conservatives would roll their eyes at a downtown full of blond people?

    Megan doesn’t grok the perspective of Trump voters, who aren’t libertarian spergs. To the extent that they are wary of big government it’s because government in America is often staffed by people who are either incompetent or hostile to them. If they had a government like Denmark’s they’d feel differently.

    “If they had a government like Denmark’s they’d feel differently.”

    100% tax on new cars? No thanks, not in our big country.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    If my hypothetical 100 million Dane country had our geography, I doubt it would have a 100% tax on new cars.
  42. OT, The Korean Olympics are very Korean, because Electronics, or something…

    Samsung on Ice

    Right now the closing ceremonies are on my Samsung TV, and it is like a Samsung commercial on ice. There is literally a giant circle of big screen TVs going ’round on the ice, with people skating around them.

    Korean TVs on ice in Korea going around in circles on my Korean TV!

    I’m getting dizzy.

    Oh, now the Samsung rectangles are arranged in a giant rectangle on ice. This and the K-pop just warm my heart and make me want to eat some Spam.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Get to an ER immediately. A willingness to eat Spam is a serious symptom. Unless you're Hawaiian.
  43. Oy Vey, why is this racist Goysiche Shiksa on my Bloomberg toyminal! Chaim, call my cousin Schlomo at Bloomberg and tell him Megeen McOydle is not kosher!

    Crypto-Nazi. Oy Gewalt.

  44. Copenhagen, hell Denmark, sounds like one big Boulder, Colorado.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Well, Boulder is about 10% Latino and growing, and 5% Asian and growing.

    But for now, a decent comparison.
  45. Non-diverse, mostly white, high-IQ, highly homogeneous and cohesive country like Denmark achieved success. Wow, just, wow!
    Immigrants are just 10 percent of the population (and many are from EU and Eastern Europe). The transformation (or should I say diversification) has started not long ago. Give it some time and in 30-40 you’ll have diversity paradise: with crime-ridden areas, no-go zones and ghettos, huge chunks of the population who a nearly illiterate, yet get cushy jobs in the government with benefits and pension. And native Danes and imported Asian immigrants will work hard and pay high taxes to support this paradise.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    If there are E/SE Asians there may be some E/SE Asians paying taxes. There will be plenty of other E/SE Asians running cash based businesses, not making any money on paper, and minimizing/evading whatever taxes they must pay.
  46. @Jason Liu
    I'm sure high trust makes for pleasant living, but it also makes your society soft, naive, vulnerable, and a little odd, in my opinion. Should consider a middle ground.

    I’m sure high trust makes for pleasant living, but it also makes your society soft, naive, vulnerable, and a little odd, in my opinion. Should consider a middle ground.

    Has high trust hurt the Japanese? Has it hurt the Israelis? Maybe it is the combination of high trust and white Christians, or at least whites who have been culturally influenced by Christianity as in the case of the irreligious Danes.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Has high trust hurt the Japanese? Has it hurt the Israelis? Maybe it is the combination of high trust and white Christians, or at least whites who have been culturally influenced by Christianity as in the case of the irreligious Danes.
     
    Maybe the problem is just Christianity.
    , @snorlax

    Has high trust hurt the Japanese? Has it hurt the Israelis? Maybe it is the combination of high trust and white Christians, or at least whites who have been culturally influenced by Christianity as in the case of the irreligious Danes.
     
    I'm not sure the Israelis qualify as a 'high-trust' society in the same sense as Denmark; they seem to often (by Anglo standards) be involved with corruption, organized crime, semi-legal scams (diamonds, mall kiosks, late-night infomercials, get-rich-quick) and the like.

    The most obviously high-trust subpopulation in Israel, pre-WWII Ashkenazi emigrants (from Europe, not necessarily to Israel) pretty clearly have hurt themselves due to the high-trust blinders they've put on, as have their diaspora counterparts.

    I think Israel would be more accurately described as low-trust but high-solidarity. As in, instinctively siding with the in-group against outsiders, both in the macro case (i.e. [geo-]politics), but also in the micro case. High trust is "I find your wallet, I give it back," while high-solidarity is "I find your wallet, I give it to my brother so he can make his rent this month."

    East Asian countries (in particular, China, Korea, Taiwan and Singapore) are very similar to Israel in this regard (low-trust, high-solidarity), as to a lesser extent is Eastern Europe. Japan is a unique case because it is genuinely something of a high-trust as well as a high-solidarity society. This is probably because they had by far the most and earliest American and British influence of the countries in East Asia, other than maybe the Philippines (who didn't seem to learn the same lessons).

    One should be careful not to overstate this — the Yakuza are extremely influential in government and business, and there's a strong cultural norm at all levels to cover up any bad news or negative information, which are two reasons you should take their vaunted crime rates with several grains of salt. (Street crime is genuinely low and reported accurately enough, the accidental injuries and fatal heart attacks of important people not so much).

    There's a lot to be said for the low-trust/high-solidarity model, as it seems to achieve the same positive results as the high-trust/low-solidarity model, while avoiding the negatives. On the other hand the Israeli and East Asian economies lag considerably behind what one would predict on the basis of IQ, so there's perhaps something to be said for high trust.
  47. The millennial and younger alt right would burst into laughter at the idea we wouldn’t want to be more like Denmark.

    Good God it’s insane that “conservativism” was defined as worshipping corporate power.

    I assure you that kind of nonsense will get no traction with Generation 0: the first non-majority white American generation.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/census-minority-youth-over-take-whites-in-2020-50-under-18/article/2611227

    any white “conservative” arguing in favor of immigration, eg, will be laughed out of the room and put on a list of traitors.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Pernille Vermund, Danish political leader who wants to limit immigration to keep Denmark as a home for the Danes, is 42 years old and I bet she would love to go hiking along a cliff side with Angela Merkel.

    Vermund is one of those beautiful Danish women that is smart and fit as a fiddle.

    Evil baby boomers who push nation-wrecking mass immigration such as Hillary Clinton and Angela Merkel should be tripped up in their attempts to destroy their own nations. If they trip off a cliff or a deep ravine, so be it.

    Raglan Road sung by Van Morrison:

    On Grafton Street in November,
    We tripped lightly along the ledge
    Of a deep ravine where can be seen
    The worst of passions pledged.

    https://youtu.be/Vbl7a69FDvY
    , @Jefferson
    "The millennial and younger alt right would burst into laughter at the idea we wouldn’t want to be more like Denmark."

    Are most Danish people Alt-Right? They come off as a bunch of SWPL Portlandia types to me.

    Denmark is hardly an Alt-Right paradise.

  48. I recall discovering McCardle back in 2002. She wrote long, self-assured screeds about how Saddam Hussein presented an intolerable nuclear threat to the US. I found them persuasive, in that they persuaded me to ignore her forever after.

  49. @cthulhu
    The "conservatives roll their eyes" was mostly aimed at a passage in the paragraph above the one you're quoting:


    Thanks to government environmental policies (new vehicles are taxed at 100 percent) and some of the best bike lanes in the world, half the city bikes to work every day...

     

    Ms. McArdle is pretty good at noticing, although she has an annoying tendency to want to keep getting invited to the "good" parties, so she is not as intellectually consistent as she could be. Overall I'm sad to see her move to the WaPo though - not least because those of us in her commentariat will have to put up with the WaPo's brain-dead commenters and comment system :-(

    Thanks for the clarification.

  50. @anon
    Stop saying: "Denmark and Iceland are small countries, we can't reproduce what they have." No, they are homogeneous White countries. *That's* why we can't reproduce what they have. The problem is not the gross population size, or even the people per square mile, it's who the people are. You can see countless examples of this, from Australia to South Africa, to Israel, to New Zealand, to all the European colonies in the New World.

    Europeans recreated Europe wherever they went. It's the people, and it's not complicated.

    I would have no trouble recreating Iceland on the tip of South America, with a population of 10 million, with all the same social benefits and high standard of living. Give me 10 million Icelanders, and a few decades. I won't even have to do anything.

    Give me 10 million Haitians instead? An impossible task.

    Europeans recreated Europe wherever they went. It’s the people, and it’s not complicated.

    That’s a good observation.

    I would have no trouble recreating Iceland on the tip of South America, with a population of 10 million, with all the same social benefits and high standard of living.

    They are not Icelanders, but the people of the Falklands seem to have recreated Scotland near the tip of South America.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
    How's their haggis?
    , @Sarah Toga
    How's their haggis?
    , @Anonymous
    The Falkland would be part of Argentina without the UK. The Falklands would look a lot different if it actually had to defend its independence. It wouldn't look like a sleepy Scottish hamlet.
  51. @Almost Missouri
    The US, the "larger polity" that Denmark is "free riding" on, used to have high social mobility, low inequality, high social trust and national happiness, just like Denmark today.

    Then something changed.

    What was it ... what was it ... hmmmm ....

    you know you strike a lost chord . . . it’s on the tip of my tongue . . . gotta keep a note pad on the night stand in case it pops into mind at 3 AM.

  52. @anonymous
    It's kind of odd that Denmark runs a pretty big chunk of land in the western hemisphere, namely Greenland.

    Sirius Dog Sled Patrol:


    "...an elite Danish naval unit. It conducts long-range reconnaissance patrolling, and enforces Danish sovereignty in the Arctic wilderness of northern and eastern Greenland...

    ...has the ability to engage militarily, and has done so historically. Its purpose is to maintain Danish sovereignty...

    ...activated in the summer of 1941 during World War II to conduct long-range reconnaissance patrols along the northeast coast of Greenland thereby preventing German presence...

    ...the Germans established a number of secret weather stations... with invaluable meteorological information both to assist their U-boat campaign...

    ...

    ...consists of six dog sled teams for the duration of the year, each consisting of two men, and 11 to 15 dogs...

    ...the autumn patrol starts sometime in November, and lasts until late-December...

    ...""The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably...

    ...patrolmen feel that the full metal jacket bullet on the military round is best against polar bears at long range, but that the hollow-points are better against an enraged musk ox. Typically, the patrolmen arrange their stripper clips so every third round is a hollow-point..."

     

    When's the last time GreenLand Today was cited at iSteve?

    "THE SIRIUS SLED PATROL", Greenland Today, 19 July 2015:


    "...Daneborg is headquarters for the Sirius Sled Patrol. ...

    ...It is not about doing the most push-ups or running faster. It is about finding a dynamic group of people who can work together and who have different skills. The group usually includes many craftsmen...

    ... Regardless of what equipment you have, you will die if you don’t respect the weather...

    ...if a dog pees on the chain, it can freeze to the ground and hold them down if there is heavy snowfall...

    ...you do not bathe..."

     

    One of my favorite anecdotes coming from Danish Greenland was told by Peter Freuchen in his book “Vagrant Viking”. He and Knud Rasmussen were the first white men to successfully cross Greenland by dog sled. He (maybe both of them) married a native Inuit woman way back around 1915 or so.

    Anyway, on one of his many dogsled trips Freuchen encountered a severe storm. It was so bad he took refuge under his sled, the usual strategy in such cases. The dogs were left outside to curl up, head to tail and be covered by drifts, which kept them warm.

    Peter slept peacefully, unworried, having been through this sort of thing before. When he woke up, the storm had abated. It only remained for him to kick out the hide covering the end of the sled and emerge from his snug cocoon. Unfortunately, when he went to do so, he discovered that the hide had frozen solidly in place and wouldn’t budge. So he tried the other end of the sleigh. Nothing doing. He thought to himself, “I’ll have to cut myself out” and reached for the trusty sheath knife that he wore strapped about his waist. Oh sh*t! It wasn’t there. He must have left it up top, looped over the handle of the sleigh. Dam*.

    He went back to kicking until he realized it was futile. He tried clawing at the hide but it was frozen so hard that all he succeeded in doing was ripping the skin off his fingers. He was well and truly stuck. This was bad. He would freeze to death if he couldn’t find some stick, some piece of bone or hard object with which to hack away at the unyielding leather.. He fell into a funk and contemplated death.

    Then inspiration struck. He realized that he had one thing at his disposal that could conceivably be used as an implement and that was one of his own turds. So he took a dump and while it was still warm and pliable, fashioned it into a crude chisel. Once it had hardened, he used it to hack his way through the ice around the hide and did indeed succeed in freeing himself.

    As 27 year old says, White people are truly awesome.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    What an incredible story—and well told by you, ThreeCranes. Thanks!

    (I’m tempted to joke that the ending “stinks”—but it’s no laughing matter.)
    , @Buffalo Joe
    ThreeCranes, I have Freuchen's book "Eskimos" in my collection. He "married" a fourteen year old Eskimo girl. Peter was a very large man, 6'-5" IIRC. I think the dog sled tale is just that. He could barely fit beneath a sled, let alone turn from end to end under one. Nice sorry to tell while sitting around a whale oil lamp in a igloo.
  53. @KM32
    I have an Irish friend who is always going on about how the English invaded his country, planted colonists, destroyed the Irish language, etc. He is also in favor of unlimited immigration to his country, which he thinks was terrible until about 25 years ago.

    Oh, and he is 45 with a 40 year old (Polish) girlfriend, and has no kids.

    You expect intelligence and reason from an Irishman? Time to cut back on the meds.

  54. @istevefan

    Europeans recreated Europe wherever they went. It’s the people, and it’s not complicated.
     
    That's a good observation.

    I would have no trouble recreating Iceland on the tip of South America, with a population of 10 million, with all the same social benefits and high standard of living.
     
    They are not Icelanders, but the people of the Falklands seem to have recreated Scotland near the tip of South America.

    How’s their haggis?

  55. @istevefan

    Europeans recreated Europe wherever they went. It’s the people, and it’s not complicated.
     
    That's a good observation.

    I would have no trouble recreating Iceland on the tip of South America, with a population of 10 million, with all the same social benefits and high standard of living.
     
    They are not Icelanders, but the people of the Falklands seem to have recreated Scotland near the tip of South America.

    How’s their haggis?

    • Replies: @istevefan

    How’s their haggis?
     
    I don't think you could force me to try it!
  56. @Steve-O
    She gets as close as politely possible to saying that both Denmark and Utah work because they’re both overwhelmingly white.

    It’s not the whiteness, it’s the homogeneity and cohesion.
    Japan and South Korea are stupendously successful societies. Both are non-white and extremely homogeneous.
    Homogeneity is not a sufficient condition for success. Perhaps it is not even necessary. But it does go a long way.

    By the way, you CAN have Denmark in the US. It’s called the Northeast. It’s called the Northwest. It’s called the Dakotas. It’s called Canada (30 years ago). It’s white, socially cohesive, high-trust, and successful beyond belief. Most of the pathology in American life is concentrated where the following groups reside: Blacks, Hispanics, Amerindians, and the so-called Rednecks.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Nice points, but if you think the northeastern US is like Denmark, you can’t be including the only decent-sized State in New England, Massachusetts. (MA has roughly as many people as VT, ME, NH, RI, and CT combined.)

    Boston’s population is at least a third nonwhite, and the public schools more so. Nearly five percent of the State is Puerto Rican.

    In 2015, live births statewide in MA were approaching 13% black and 10% Asian. Almost 20% of live births were Hispanic, though at least, some of those are white (mainly Portuguese).

    Maine and Vermont are almost all-white, but their populations and economies are not particularly significant: barely 2 million people, combined.

    And Connecticut? Still quite white but changing fast. In 2015, live births were 14% black and 7% Asian, each higher than in 2013 and 2011. CT also has a rapidly growing Hispanic population.
  57. @istevefan

    I’m sure high trust makes for pleasant living, but it also makes your society soft, naive, vulnerable, and a little odd, in my opinion. Should consider a middle ground.
     
    Has high trust hurt the Japanese? Has it hurt the Israelis? Maybe it is the combination of high trust and white Christians, or at least whites who have been culturally influenced by Christianity as in the case of the irreligious Danes.

    Has high trust hurt the Japanese? Has it hurt the Israelis? Maybe it is the combination of high trust and white Christians, or at least whites who have been culturally influenced by Christianity as in the case of the irreligious Danes.

    Maybe the problem is just Christianity.

  58. @Dave Pinsen
    This is a copout. If Denmark spent more on defense it would still be a nice place. Haiti spends nothing on defense and is a terrible place.

    Size is a copout as well. A large enough land area with 100 million Danes would be a nice place to live too.

    And by the way: what sort of conservatives would roll their eyes at a downtown full of blond people?

    Megan doesn’t grok the perspective of Trump voters, who aren’t libertarian spergs. To the extent that they are wary of big government it’s because government in America is often staffed by people who are either incompetent or hostile to them. If they had a government like Denmark’s they’d feel differently.

    Saying it would be a “nice place” and better than Haiti is a copout. Nobody doubts such vague generalities. The point is that it wouldn’t have its current mix of welfare and government spending if it had to actually be much more independent.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    By "nice place" I meant similarly nice as it is now, not just better than Haiti. That's not a copout.

    There's no reason why high quality 1st world lifestyles can't scale, given high quality human capital.

    And what does "more independent" mean? Not a member of NATO? Sweden's not a member of NATO and has an enviable quality of life (or at least did, until it started importing third worlders).

    , @phil
    The EU is only a few decades old. Denmark existed before the EU.
    , @silviosilver

    The point is that it wouldn’t have its current mix of welfare and government spending if it had to actually be much more independent.
     
    Why not? I know it's a conservative article of faith that high taxes and welfare are necessarily economically ruinous, but where's the actual evidence?

    As far as I can tell, there isn't any such evidence; all the arguments are based on conjecture derived from theoretical economics. That's why I was once a convinced little libertardian demanding lower taxes and the abolition of welfare - because that's what textbook economics (and libertarian ideologues) seemed to suggest was necessary.

    Eventually, the cognitive dissonance created by the difference between real-world, empirical evidence and theorized economic outcomes became too much for me and I began to curse the day I ever heard of Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard.
  59. @istevefan

    Europeans recreated Europe wherever they went. It’s the people, and it’s not complicated.
     
    That's a good observation.

    I would have no trouble recreating Iceland on the tip of South America, with a population of 10 million, with all the same social benefits and high standard of living.
     
    They are not Icelanders, but the people of the Falklands seem to have recreated Scotland near the tip of South America.

    The Falkland would be part of Argentina without the UK. The Falklands would look a lot different if it actually had to defend its independence. It wouldn’t look like a sleepy Scottish hamlet.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    The Falkland would be part of Argentina without the UK.
     
    But that doesn't take away from the fact the Falklanders have recreated Scotland at the tip of South America. Maybe if Iceland were located in the same location, it might succumb to Argentina too.

    The Falklands would look a lot different if it actually had to defend its independence.

     

    Why? Iceland doesn't have to defend its independence. It doesn't have a standing army and relies on its membership in NATO to ensure its sovereignty. Yet Iceland is a great place from what I hear. Other European nations like Denmark don't really defend their independence. They have relied upon the US being in Europe for decades to provide the brunt of their defense. Yet Denmark is a paradise.
  60. @Dave Pinsen
    This is a copout. If Denmark spent more on defense it would still be a nice place. Haiti spends nothing on defense and is a terrible place.

    Size is a copout as well. A large enough land area with 100 million Danes would be a nice place to live too.

    And by the way: what sort of conservatives would roll their eyes at a downtown full of blond people?

    Megan doesn’t grok the perspective of Trump voters, who aren’t libertarian spergs. To the extent that they are wary of big government it’s because government in America is often staffed by people who are either incompetent or hostile to them. If they had a government like Denmark’s they’d feel differently.

    And by the way: what sort of conservatives would roll their eyes at a downtown full of blond people?

    Yeah, that was pretty funny. Who was it — Peter Brimelow? Jared Taylor? — that said, every American conservative would take life in socialist Sweden over life in essentially libertarian Somalia? (And his point was that the national question would be a much more successful campaign issue for the GOP, than the small-government low-tax line they’ve been emphasizing.)

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Yeah, that was pretty funny. Who was it — Peter Brimelow? Jared Taylor? — that said, every American conservative would take life in socialist Sweden over life in essentially libertarian Somalia?

    Hey, at least in Somalia they have a solution for the thorny "Who collects the trash in a libertarian society?" problem.

    https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/2013545166-300x0.jpg
  61. When I asked people in Copenhagen about the secret of Denmark’s remarkable success, I kept hearing the same thing: “Trust.”

    Bryan Caplan advocates that large immigration and ethnic diversity will undermine solidarity and that is a good thing:

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2011/06/immigration_and_2.html

    And solidarity is a very mixed bag. Despite its surface appeal, solidarity is the #1 cause of self-righteous injustice against out-groups and naysayers. It would be a better world if we could just admit that our “fellow citizens” are not our brothers and sisters, but strangers.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Bryan Caplan advocates that large immigration and ethnic diversity will undermine solidarity and that is a good thing
     
    His usual crap. "Solidarity is a problem for my worldview; analogous to maleness being a problem for the worldview of feminism. So the solution is for me is to neuter solidarity, while the solution for feminism is to neuter all males. Public policy is easy!"

    Immigrants undermine the solidarity of the host and install a new solidarity. Caplan wonders what went wrong. He concludes people don't believe strongly enough.

    Caplan is a poster child for libertarian spergs.

    His underlying assumptions are not persuasive; but he forges on, crafting an economic utopia that is always foiled by politics; so I guess he wants politicians to enforce his dreams via gulags and show trials. For the children.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children, lives in a single-family house, and by his own account sticks to a tight affinity-network, a Bubble he calls it. His kids are home-schooled. In other words, Caplan lives in Belmont. Open Borders look great when your neighborhood has a $500K entrance fee. The cognitive and financial elites do not preach what they practice.

    Megan McArdle got called on this very quickly. She responded with a sermon on Twitter insisting that Americans will just have to double down and make Diversity work. Somehow.


    So, a number of people have reacted to my piece on Denmark by arguing that American trust and social cohesion are being destroyed by multiculturalism. I have some thoughts on that. (1/n)— (((Megan McArdle))) (@asymmetricinfo) February 23, 2018
     
    I'm guessing Megan's networks are as white, with a few high-g Asians, as Caplan's.

    Ideology stupefies.

  62. @anonymous
    It's kind of odd that Denmark runs a pretty big chunk of land in the western hemisphere, namely Greenland.

    Sirius Dog Sled Patrol:


    "...an elite Danish naval unit. It conducts long-range reconnaissance patrolling, and enforces Danish sovereignty in the Arctic wilderness of northern and eastern Greenland...

    ...has the ability to engage militarily, and has done so historically. Its purpose is to maintain Danish sovereignty...

    ...activated in the summer of 1941 during World War II to conduct long-range reconnaissance patrols along the northeast coast of Greenland thereby preventing German presence...

    ...the Germans established a number of secret weather stations... with invaluable meteorological information both to assist their U-boat campaign...

    ...

    ...consists of six dog sled teams for the duration of the year, each consisting of two men, and 11 to 15 dogs...

    ...the autumn patrol starts sometime in November, and lasts until late-December...

    ...""The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably...

    ...patrolmen feel that the full metal jacket bullet on the military round is best against polar bears at long range, but that the hollow-points are better against an enraged musk ox. Typically, the patrolmen arrange their stripper clips so every third round is a hollow-point..."

     

    When's the last time GreenLand Today was cited at iSteve?

    "THE SIRIUS SLED PATROL", Greenland Today, 19 July 2015:


    "...Daneborg is headquarters for the Sirius Sled Patrol. ...

    ...It is not about doing the most push-ups or running faster. It is about finding a dynamic group of people who can work together and who have different skills. The group usually includes many craftsmen...

    ... Regardless of what equipment you have, you will die if you don’t respect the weather...

    ...if a dog pees on the chain, it can freeze to the ground and hold them down if there is heavy snowfall...

    ...you do not bathe..."

     

    The US tried to buy Greenland from Denmark during the Truman administration, in the early stages of the Cold War. There were only a few hundred Danish people living on the island at the time. The American Secretary of State met with the Danish Foreign Minister and made an offer, but nothing came of it.

    As an American, I think it would have been cool if the deal had gone through. Besides just being another big chunk of territory on world maps, Greenland now includes a big pie slice of rights to drill for oil in the Arctic Ocean.

    It’s really cool to fly over Greenland. That happens sometimes on flights between North America and Europe. You can look down and be surprised by “sublime” mountains, alpine lakes and icebergs off the coast.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Heathrow to SF flights overfly Greenland and Northern Canada, which is hundreds of miles of small frozen lakes, snow, and no signs of human life until you get close to the Athabasca Tar Sands.
  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Hardly any Jews in Denmark.

    Denmark would be a very different place with a Jewish Hollywood, Jewish NYC Media, Jewish Wall Street, Jewish puppet presidents and an AIPAC occupied congress.

    If Denmark allowed itself to be colonized by Ashkenazi Jews, as America did, then Denmark would have mass alien immigration, constant hostile divide & conquer media, puppeteered politicians, massive foreign entanglements, a native population afraid of its own government because it’s marked for displacement and dispossession, relentless culture war where Danes are mocked etc, etc, etc, etc …

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @a reader

    Hardly any Jews in Denmark.
     
    Yes there are.
    , @a reader

    Denmark would be a very different place with a Jewish Hollywood, Jewish NYC Media
     
    You've never heard of the Bonnier Group?
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Denmark was pretty cool with Jews during WWII. When the Nazis were occupying and started trying to implement policies like people of Jewish ancestry wearing Jewish Stars regardless of religious practices, the Danish king said he would wear one himself. Pranksters went into the churches and put Jewish Star badges on statues of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. The policy was never enforced, and many Danes helped Jewish neighbors to escape the Nazis (although they left Communists to fend for themselves).
  64. Funny. Earlier today I thought of Denmark, and it brought to mind the iStevism that for politics like New Hampshire you require demography like New Hampshire.

    Always though there is the ignored exit, everyone just doubles down, so our right rejects both the diversity of the left and its economics.

    Out of the question, apparently, is dividing the opposition with tantalizing offers:

    Single-payer? More unity.
    German style ordoliberal representation of labor on publicly held corporations’ boards? An end to socially and culturally divisive employment set-asides.

  65. @Medvedev
    Non-diverse, mostly white, high-IQ, highly homogeneous and cohesive country like Denmark achieved success. Wow, just, wow!
    Immigrants are just 10 percent of the population (and many are from EU and Eastern Europe). The transformation (or should I say diversification) has started not long ago. Give it some time and in 30-40 you'll have diversity paradise: with crime-ridden areas, no-go zones and ghettos, huge chunks of the population who a nearly illiterate, yet get cushy jobs in the government with benefits and pension. And native Danes and imported Asian immigrants will work hard and pay high taxes to support this paradise.

    If there are E/SE Asians there may be some E/SE Asians paying taxes. There will be plenty of other E/SE Asians running cash based businesses, not making any money on paper, and minimizing/evading whatever taxes they must pay.

  66. Thanks to government environmental policies (new vehicles are taxed at 100 percent)

    I noticed a lot of people driving Ladas there in the ’80s.

    Every car is an import in Denmark.

  67. @International Jew

    And by the way: what sort of conservatives would roll their eyes at a downtown full of blond people?
     
    Yeah, that was pretty funny. Who was it — Peter Brimelow? Jared Taylor? — that said, every American conservative would take life in socialist Sweden over life in essentially libertarian Somalia? (And his point was that the national question would be a much more successful campaign issue for the GOP, than the small-government low-tax line they've been emphasizing.)

    Yeah, that was pretty funny. Who was it — Peter Brimelow? Jared Taylor? — that said, every American conservative would take life in socialist Sweden over life in essentially libertarian Somalia?

    Hey, at least in Somalia they have a solution for the thorny “Who collects the trash in a libertarian society?” problem.

  68. @anonymous
    It's kind of odd that Denmark runs a pretty big chunk of land in the western hemisphere, namely Greenland.

    Sirius Dog Sled Patrol:


    "...an elite Danish naval unit. It conducts long-range reconnaissance patrolling, and enforces Danish sovereignty in the Arctic wilderness of northern and eastern Greenland...

    ...has the ability to engage militarily, and has done so historically. Its purpose is to maintain Danish sovereignty...

    ...activated in the summer of 1941 during World War II to conduct long-range reconnaissance patrols along the northeast coast of Greenland thereby preventing German presence...

    ...the Germans established a number of secret weather stations... with invaluable meteorological information both to assist their U-boat campaign...

    ...

    ...consists of six dog sled teams for the duration of the year, each consisting of two men, and 11 to 15 dogs...

    ...the autumn patrol starts sometime in November, and lasts until late-December...

    ...""The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably...

    ...patrolmen feel that the full metal jacket bullet on the military round is best against polar bears at long range, but that the hollow-points are better against an enraged musk ox. Typically, the patrolmen arrange their stripper clips so every third round is a hollow-point..."

     

    When's the last time GreenLand Today was cited at iSteve?

    "THE SIRIUS SLED PATROL", Greenland Today, 19 July 2015:


    "...Daneborg is headquarters for the Sirius Sled Patrol. ...

    ...It is not about doing the most push-ups or running faster. It is about finding a dynamic group of people who can work together and who have different skills. The group usually includes many craftsmen...

    ... Regardless of what equipment you have, you will die if you don’t respect the weather...

    ...if a dog pees on the chain, it can freeze to the ground and hold them down if there is heavy snowfall...

    ...you do not bathe..."

     

    It’s kind of odd that Denmark runs a pretty big chunk of land in the western hemisphere, namely Greenland.

    But they were smart enough to unload the Virgins on us. Who can we sell Puerto Rico to?

    My dad was sent to Thule Air Base for a few months in the early ’60s. Thanks to that, we were the first kids on the block to have Legos. They sold them in the PX.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @63 Reg Caesar: "My dad was sent to Thule Air Base for a few months in the early ’60s. Thanks to that, we were the first kids on the block to have Legos. They sold them in the PX."

    My late father-in-law traveled to Thule in 1957 with the 82nd Airborne to take part in Exercise Arctic Night, the first US parachute exercise in the Arctic Circle. I don't think he stopped at the
    PX or bought any Legos, though. There's a tv documentary on the drop here by The Big Picture, but I haven't been able to catch a glimpse of him in the film. We have pictures of him in his gear beside his snow shelter. My husband's godfather was posted to Thule in the early '60s, I believe - will have to ask his kids if he brought them any Legos.
  69. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, something we’ve known for ages finally makes the MSM.

    Denmark works because it has Danes. Gee, why couldn’t anyone figure this out?

    Also, European conservatives tend to be far more socialist than the Liberals are. This has been the case in Poland.

    Minority-Chauvinism or Mino-chauvinism made it difficult to notice these things.
    The idea of majority Danes doing things to make things for Denmark? What an AWFUL ideas. Don’t white majorities understand that they exist mainly to serve minorities? Mainly Jews but just in case they forget, many more minorities must be brought in to make whites get used to kneeling before every kind of minority group.

  70. @Anonymous
    Saying it would be a "nice place" and better than Haiti is a copout. Nobody doubts such vague generalities. The point is that it wouldn't have its current mix of welfare and government spending if it had to actually be much more independent.

    By “nice place” I meant similarly nice as it is now, not just better than Haiti. That’s not a copout.

    There’s no reason why high quality 1st world lifestyles can’t scale, given high quality human capital.

    And what does “more independent” mean? Not a member of NATO? Sweden’s not a member of NATO and has an enviable quality of life (or at least did, until it started importing third worlders).

  71. @stillCARealist
    "If they had a government like Denmark’s they’d feel differently."

    100% tax on new cars? No thanks, not in our big country.

    If my hypothetical 100 million Dane country had our geography, I doubt it would have a 100% tax on new cars.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    That elites have to be told, repeatedly, that the policies that are successful in a small, homogenous country can't be replicated in a large, diverse country is a bad sign. It's even worse that they still choose not to accept the obvious even after they can see what they results are.

    The left is currently being held off in Denmark, but the push for diversity has never stopped. Given the proximity to Malmo, Sweden some of their problems are bound to spill over as well.

    Ultimately, Denmark cannot remain in the EU – and limit third world immigration. For example, in just a few years’ time, the hundreds of thousands of invaders currently sequestered in Greece and Italy will have the full ‘right’ to enter Denmark and partake of the Danish way of life. Similarly, the millions of third world origin people in France, Germany, Sweden etc potentially have the full ‘right’ to move in on Denmark if the economies of those nations tank, due, not least, to the immigrants themselves.
    Without limiting third world immigration it cannot maintain its welfare state – the math makes it impossible.
    At some point in the future, Denmark must choose between the EU and citizens’ living standards.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon., so true. Italy will be minority Italian by 2050, if I remember correctly.
    , @Anonymous
    IIRC, Denmark used to have restrictions on EU immigration. I don't know if that's still the case. It was one of the conditions Denmark demanded for agreeing to the 1992 Maastricht treaty.
  73. McArdle is a dipshit. Poor, geeky Peter Suderman.

  74. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it's ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It's pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn't be the same if it weren't able to free ride on larger polities.

    This shit-talk about nation states ‘free-riding’ – a stupid, nasty piece of Economist style empty pomposity if their ever was one – really gets on my wick.

    Everything the Danes have is due to their selves, and their own hard work and efficiency. They are no more ‘free-riders’ than Manhattanites or Jeff Bezos are.
    All they ask of the outside world is the ‘right’ not to be invaded, and respected as an independent sovereign entity – the ‘right’ to be left alone in other words. The same ‘right’ that you expect of a good neighbor not to start bullying you. Courtesy and respect, in other words.
    Apart from that, they meekly request the privilege of selling goods you might wish to buy to willing customers – no different to the door-to-door salesman who humbly knocks on your door bearing his case of goodies.

  75. @istevefan

    I’m sure high trust makes for pleasant living, but it also makes your society soft, naive, vulnerable, and a little odd, in my opinion. Should consider a middle ground.
     
    Has high trust hurt the Japanese? Has it hurt the Israelis? Maybe it is the combination of high trust and white Christians, or at least whites who have been culturally influenced by Christianity as in the case of the irreligious Danes.

    Has high trust hurt the Japanese? Has it hurt the Israelis? Maybe it is the combination of high trust and white Christians, or at least whites who have been culturally influenced by Christianity as in the case of the irreligious Danes.

    I’m not sure the Israelis qualify as a ‘high-trust’ society in the same sense as Denmark; they seem to often (by Anglo standards) be involved with corruption, organized crime, semi-legal scams (diamonds, mall kiosks, late-night infomercials, get-rich-quick) and the like.

    The most obviously high-trust subpopulation in Israel, pre-WWII Ashkenazi emigrants (from Europe, not necessarily to Israel) pretty clearly have hurt themselves due to the high-trust blinders they’ve put on, as have their diaspora counterparts.

    I think Israel would be more accurately described as low-trust but high-solidarity. As in, instinctively siding with the in-group against outsiders, both in the macro case (i.e. [geo-]politics), but also in the micro case. High trust is “I find your wallet, I give it back,” while high-solidarity is “I find your wallet, I give it to my brother so he can make his rent this month.”

    East Asian countries (in particular, China, Korea, Taiwan and Singapore) are very similar to Israel in this regard (low-trust, high-solidarity), as to a lesser extent is Eastern Europe. Japan is a unique case because it is genuinely something of a high-trust as well as a high-solidarity society. This is probably because they had by far the most and earliest American and British influence of the countries in East Asia, other than maybe the Philippines (who didn’t seem to learn the same lessons).

    One should be careful not to overstate this — the Yakuza are extremely influential in government and business, and there’s a strong cultural norm at all levels to cover up any bad news or negative information, which are two reasons you should take their vaunted crime rates with several grains of salt. (Street crime is genuinely low and reported accurately enough, the accidental injuries and fatal heart attacks of important people not so much).

    There’s a lot to be said for the low-trust/high-solidarity model, as it seems to achieve the same positive results as the high-trust/low-solidarity model, while avoiding the negatives. On the other hand the Israeli and East Asian economies lag considerably behind what one would predict on the basis of IQ, so there’s perhaps something to be said for high trust.

  76. @James Kabala
    Wouldn't at least some of that be from natural increase? I don't where he gets the idea that all one million are going to be immigrants. Since Ireland has fewer people today than it did in 1840, overpopulation is hardly likely to be a problem any time soon.

    Ireland could not support its 1840 population.

    Many either starved to death or emigrated.

  77. https://twitter.com/navyhato/status/967936774994456577

    This is too funny. Not that the Hindu guy is wrong about Trudeau, but has he seen his own nation recently? I mean, why would anyone need to drive India to the dumps when half the population take a dump outdoors?

    • Replies: @bomag

    why would anyone need to drive India to the dumps...
     
    He noticed that Trudeau is driving Canada to the dumps.

    He doesn't want Trudeau making India any worse than it is.

    Good man.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, this is very interesting, especially when you consider that a major portion of Canada's new immigrants come from India and southeast Asia. Canadians are too full of themselves to realize that everything Ajit Datta says is true. I think Datta was referring to Man-Boy's support of a radical political movement in India, not a bowel movement.
  78. @Anonymous
    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it's ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It's pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn't be the same if it weren't able to free ride on larger polities.

    There’s truth to that. But then again, pretty much all of the other European countries are also EU-affiliated and under NATO ‘protection’, yet they are rapidly turning into diversity shit-holes just like us. So the question remains: what makes Denmark different? Not just from us, but from them.

    • Replies: @Altai
    The Danish Peoples Party was successful in the 90s, that's all. Every other party in Denmark would have engaged in exactly the sort of actions as the rest of Europe otherwise it's influence. That they came in just in time to attenuate the flow in the late 90s and early 2000s was the key.
  79. @KM32
    I have an Irish friend who is always going on about how the English invaded his country, planted colonists, destroyed the Irish language, etc. He is also in favor of unlimited immigration to his country, which he thinks was terrible until about 25 years ago.

    Oh, and he is 45 with a 40 year old (Polish) girlfriend, and has no kids.

    Sadly, that’s typical of modern Irish people. These days, their nationalism is an utter fraud. It starts and stops with a lot of whining about Britain.

  80. Interesting peice. I wonder how much longer McArdle will keep her job.

    And so, a curmudgeon might note, does the homogeneity of the people you see around you. Although roughly 10 percent of the population consists of immigrants, in the downtown at least, the crowds look strikingly white and blond. All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes. Those conservatives are probably right; they would hate living in Denmark.

    That’s one of many reasons why I am not a conservative. I would love living in a place like that.

    After 15 years of watching every other country fail to address the coming demographic bulge …

    That ‘failure’ is actually deliberate. All throughout Neoliberal-stan, they’re trying to get rid of defined-benefit pension systems, so as to eliminate any competition to Wall-Street-based 401ks.

    In other ways, Utah looks little like Denmark: It is highly religious, socially conservative and fiscally restrained. And yet both emit the same feeling of extreme cohesion. You see it in the statistics, but you also see it in everyday life; for example, in their unusually functional governments.

    You see? It’s not religion, people. It’s race. Yet another reason why I am not a conservative.

  81. @Buzz Mohawk
    The US tried to buy Greenland from Denmark during the Truman administration, in the early stages of the Cold War. There were only a few hundred Danish people living on the island at the time. The American Secretary of State met with the Danish Foreign Minister and made an offer, but nothing came of it.

    As an American, I think it would have been cool if the deal had gone through. Besides just being another big chunk of territory on world maps, Greenland now includes a big pie slice of rights to drill for oil in the Arctic Ocean.

    It's really cool to fly over Greenland. That happens sometimes on flights between North America and Europe. You can look down and be surprised by "sublime" mountains, alpine lakes and icebergs off the coast.

    Heathrow to SF flights overfly Greenland and Northern Canada, which is hundreds of miles of small frozen lakes, snow, and no signs of human life until you get close to the Athabasca Tar Sands.

  82. @Anonymous
    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it's ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It's pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn't be the same if it weren't able to free ride on larger polities.

    “it’s ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO”

    What exactly are the US and NATO protecting it from? Putin’s hordes?

    Certainly not foreign invasion, which the EU, the US (see the French wikileaks cables) and NATO are encouraging..

    • Agree: dfordoom
  83. @eah
    https://twitter.com/morgoth_rev/status/967800132170321920

    When have the Irish people ever been asked what they really want?

  84. Yep, Denmark works because it is still being run, for the most part, for the Danes.

  85. @eah
    Sozialdemokraten wollen Asylrecht auf dänischem Boden abschaffen

    Mette Frederiksen ist erst 40 Jahre alt und bereits die Chefin von Dänemarks stärkster Partei, den Sozialdemokraten.

    The largest party in Denmark has suggested eliminating the right to asylum -- I hope despite pushback they follow through -- every white country must do the same -- especially the smaller ones, population-wise.

    Asyl: Staatsrechtler schlägt Grundgesetzänderung vor

    Der Staatsrechtler Rupert Scholz hat eine Änderung des Asylrechts im Grundgesetz gefordert. Die derzeitige Regelung, nach der Asyl ein stets einklagbares Grundrecht ist, sei nicht länger hinnehmbar, schrieb Scholz in einem Beitrag für die Welt. Entsprechend müsse die Verfassung geändert werden.

    Some Germans are saying similar things: change is necessary — in Germany, every person denied asylum (‘refugee status’) can appeal this decision (asylum ist ein “einklagbares Grundrecht”) — and huge numbers do appeal — this creates tremendous costs, not only in the courts, but also due to the fact these asylum seekers continue to receive financial support during their appeals, which can take years — related to the influx beginning in 2015, there is now a huge backlog of such asylum appeals — recently it was estimated it will take years for the courts to work thru these — all of this is simply unsustainable.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yep.

    And in the meantime they will 'drop sprogs' thus, ensuring, under EU rules the 'right' to 'family life' and thus permanent German residence and eventual citizenship.
  86. @Massimo Heitor

    When I asked people in Copenhagen about the secret of Denmark’s remarkable success, I kept hearing the same thing: “Trust.”

     

    Bryan Caplan advocates that large immigration and ethnic diversity will undermine solidarity and that is a good thing:

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2011/06/immigration_and_2.html

    And solidarity is a very mixed bag. Despite its surface appeal, solidarity is the #1 cause of self-righteous injustice against out-groups and naysayers. It would be a better world if we could just admit that our "fellow citizens" are not our brothers and sisters, but strangers.

     

    Bryan Caplan advocates that large immigration and ethnic diversity will undermine solidarity and that is a good thing

    His usual crap. “Solidarity is a problem for my worldview; analogous to maleness being a problem for the worldview of feminism. So the solution is for me is to neuter solidarity, while the solution for feminism is to neuter all males. Public policy is easy!”

    Immigrants undermine the solidarity of the host and install a new solidarity. Caplan wonders what went wrong. He concludes people don’t believe strongly enough.

    Caplan is a poster child for libertarian spergs.

    His underlying assumptions are not persuasive; but he forges on, crafting an economic utopia that is always foiled by politics; so I guess he wants politicians to enforce his dreams via gulags and show trials. For the children.

  87. @Anon
    https://twitter.com/navyhato/status/967936774994456577


    This is too funny. Not that the Hindu guy is wrong about Trudeau, but has he seen his own nation recently? I mean, why would anyone need to drive India to the dumps when half the population take a dump outdoors?

    why would anyone need to drive India to the dumps…

    He noticed that Trudeau is driving Canada to the dumps.

    He doesn’t want Trudeau making India any worse than it is.

    Good man.

  88. “Utah looks little like Denmark: It is highly religious, “

    Denmark is one of the least religious countries, with less than 30% believing in god.

    In Utah it’s probably more than 90%.

  89. @istevefan

    All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes. …
     
    Yes, that caught my eye too. Was this supposed to a joke, or did she just insert conservative instead of progressive?

    She originally stated she investigated Denmark because Bernie brought it up in a debate. Seems to me the lack of diversity would be a sticking point for those on the left who routinely denounce institutions for being too white.

    Conservatives might point out the extreme whiteness of a leftwing group such as the Huffington Post editorial board or Obama's reelection staff, which Steve covered. But it is done to ridicule and point out the hypocrisy.

    Is she trying to say conservatives would roll their eyes as a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of such a paradise, or is she suggesting conservatives would be genuinely upset about Denmark's lack of diversity?

    Bernie’s Vermont is even whiter than Denmark.

  90. @Massimo Heitor

    When I asked people in Copenhagen about the secret of Denmark’s remarkable success, I kept hearing the same thing: “Trust.”

     

    Bryan Caplan advocates that large immigration and ethnic diversity will undermine solidarity and that is a good thing:

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2011/06/immigration_and_2.html

    And solidarity is a very mixed bag. Despite its surface appeal, solidarity is the #1 cause of self-righteous injustice against out-groups and naysayers. It would be a better world if we could just admit that our "fellow citizens" are not our brothers and sisters, but strangers.

     

    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children, lives in a single-family house, and by his own account sticks to a tight affinity-network, a Bubble he calls it. His kids are home-schooled. In other words, Caplan lives in Belmont. Open Borders look great when your neighborhood has a $500K entrance fee. The cognitive and financial elites do not preach what they practice.

    Megan McArdle got called on this very quickly. She responded with a sermon on Twitter insisting that Americans will just have to double down and make Diversity work. Somehow.

    So, a number of people have reacted to my piece on Denmark by arguing that American trust and social cohesion are being destroyed by multiculturalism. I have some thoughts on that. (1/n)— (((Megan McArdle))) (@asymmetricinfo) February 23, 2018

    I’m guessing Megan’s networks are as white, with a few high-g Asians, as Caplan’s.

    Ideology stupefies.

    • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
    "Megan McArdle got called on this [elite hypocrisy concerning open borders and diversity] very quickly. She responded with a sermon on Twitter insisting that Americans will just have to double down and make Diversity work. Somehow."

    Diversity cannot fail, it can only be failed.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children, lives in a single-family house, and by his own account sticks to a tight affinity-network, a Bubble he calls it.
     
    Bryan Caplan has four children, but otherwise I agree. I don't see logical moral + philosophical reasons as to why exclusive "bubbles" are ok, families are ok, private property is ok, but nations are not.

    Ideology stupefies.

     

    Bryan Caplan isn't stupid. That's not the right word.

    Caplan literally argues that it is immoral for a nation to object to being conquered by other nations, hence it logically follows that he supports a non-violent conquest through mass immigration and demographic replacement. He also supports the idea that all laws are "draconian" and immoral, and immigration laws are just one example. These positions are so outrageous, I imagine they will do more damage to an open-borders cause, then help.

    Or consider his case against education. Caplan is making a public push for "separation of school and state", which I imagine delights this crowd and horrifies the credentialed elites that are passionate about mass immigration to the US + Europe. He's eager to gore everyone's ox, no matter which side they are on.
    , @Art Deco
    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children,

    His wife is Roumanian and the children look like she produced them through parthenogenesis. Nothing like their father at all and quite swarthy.
  91. @Paco Wové
    I fear McArdle's move to the WaPo will result in her relative good sense being swallowed up by the paywall and lost to the wider Internet.

    I think the term in the journo biz is “Kill or Capture” – at the National Enquirer-level they do it with stories, at the Bezos-level they do it with people and ideas.

  92. @ThreeCranes
    One of my favorite anecdotes coming from Danish Greenland was told by Peter Freuchen in his book "Vagrant Viking". He and Knud Rasmussen were the first white men to successfully cross Greenland by dog sled. He (maybe both of them) married a native Inuit woman way back around 1915 or so.

    Anyway, on one of his many dogsled trips Freuchen encountered a severe storm. It was so bad he took refuge under his sled, the usual strategy in such cases. The dogs were left outside to curl up, head to tail and be covered by drifts, which kept them warm.

    Peter slept peacefully, unworried, having been through this sort of thing before. When he woke up, the storm had abated. It only remained for him to kick out the hide covering the end of the sled and emerge from his snug cocoon. Unfortunately, when he went to do so, he discovered that the hide had frozen solidly in place and wouldn't budge. So he tried the other end of the sleigh. Nothing doing. He thought to himself, "I'll have to cut myself out" and reached for the trusty sheath knife that he wore strapped about his waist. Oh sh*t! It wasn't there. He must have left it up top, looped over the handle of the sleigh. Dam*.

    He went back to kicking until he realized it was futile. He tried clawing at the hide but it was frozen so hard that all he succeeded in doing was ripping the skin off his fingers. He was well and truly stuck. This was bad. He would freeze to death if he couldn't find some stick, some piece of bone or hard object with which to hack away at the unyielding leather.. He fell into a funk and contemplated death.

    Then inspiration struck. He realized that he had one thing at his disposal that could conceivably be used as an implement and that was one of his own turds. So he took a dump and while it was still warm and pliable, fashioned it into a crude chisel. Once it had hardened, he used it to hack his way through the ice around the hide and did indeed succeed in freeing himself.

    As 27 year old says, White people are truly awesome.

    What an incredible story—and well told by you, ThreeCranes. Thanks!

    (I’m tempted to joke that the ending “stinks”—but it’s no laughing matter.)

  93. Denmark is so well off because it managed to avoid the political parxoysm of the Brexit, Le Pen and – Trumpism.

    – – Explains: Steven Pinker, in his new book Enlightenment Now!, p. 451 f.

    • Replies: @Altai
    It's impossible for such a worldly man to not know just how much less immigration Denmark has had than the rest of Western Europe, he must have visited Copenhagen at least once in the last 10 years. (The first thought which emerges from an urban dweller from the rest of Europe is, 'Where are all the non-Danes?')

    That the Danish version of UKIP has been running immigration policy off and on for almost the last 20 years is the reason Denmark is not suffering any political upheavals.
    , @Anonym

    Denmark is so well off because it managed to avoid the political parxoysm of the Brexit, Le Pen and – Trumpism.

    - – Explains: Steven Pinker, in his new book Enlightenment Now!, p. 451 f.
     
    I generally don't mind Pinker but maybe (pardon the pun) he's just a pinker shade of red.
  94. @Wilkey
    On measures of social mobility, in fact, Utah looks a lot like Denmark. In Salt Lake City, a child born into the bottom fifth of the income-distribution scale has about a 10.8 percent chance of making it into the top fifth; in Denmark, that figure is 11.7 percent.

    Perhaps that's because genetically speaking Utah basically is (soon to be *was*) Denmark. In the 19th and early 20th centuries a lot of Danes converted to Mormonism and migrated to Utah. The three predominant ancestral groups of Utahns (and unlike a lot of people in this country these are people who often actually know their genealogy) are British, German, and Scandinavian. Sitting right smack dab in the middle of those three regions is...Denmark.

    Bingo! Was wondering if someone in this thread would bring it up. I’m a Dane on my father’s side, they came to the US in 1874 with that same big group, but to the midwest. According to Wikipedia, Sanpete County, Utah was essentially settled by Danes.

    I’m a little bit surprised that Denmark provides lots of generous benefits and pensions, because all of the Danes in my family are cheap, cheap, cheap – but that’s because no one is going to take care of you but you. We take care of our own and are probably seen as a bit standoffish to outsiders. Friendly, but not really welcoming. I’m not surprised that Denmark has been resistant to the Invite the World ploy.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    So glad to hear it.

    But Danes still don't have nearly enough to replace themselves, right? So, even a very small cohort of non-European immigrants with a replacement-level TFR will inexorably become a larger share of the national population.

    If that small cohort of non-European immigrants can maintain a TFR even slightly above replacement -- i.e., if it can grow its net number through natural increase -- the immigrants will become a larger share of the population FASTER.

    As with every other white country of which I'm aware, then, Denmark on current trends will be a substantially non-white country within the lifetime of young readers here.
  95. Pernille Vermund, Danish political leader:

  96. @eah
    Asyl: Staatsrechtler schlägt Grundgesetzänderung vor

    Der Staatsrechtler Rupert Scholz hat eine Änderung des Asylrechts im Grundgesetz gefordert. Die derzeitige Regelung, nach der Asyl ein stets einklagbares Grundrecht ist, sei nicht länger hinnehmbar, schrieb Scholz in einem Beitrag für die Welt. Entsprechend müsse die Verfassung geändert werden.

    Some Germans are saying similar things: change is necessary -- in Germany, every person denied asylum ('refugee status') can appeal this decision (asylum ist ein "einklagbares Grundrecht") -- and huge numbers do appeal -- this creates tremendous costs, not only in the courts, but also due to the fact these asylum seekers continue to receive financial support during their appeals, which can take years -- related to the influx beginning in 2015, there is now a huge backlog of such asylum appeals -- recently it was estimated it will take years for the courts to work thru these -- all of this is simply unsustainable.

    Yep.

    And in the meantime they will ‘drop sprogs’ thus, ensuring, under EU rules the ‘right’ to ‘family life’ and thus permanent German residence and eventual citizenship.

  97. I just got my greencard for 5 years in Denmark! Then I can become a permanent resident if I choose.

    Nah, after living here Denmark..I think Denmark is totally f…ucke…d.

    Living amongst Danes has made me SUPER CHRISTIAN.

    Like these people are so bloody immoral I’m besides myself. It’s so messed up.

    Interracial marriage is really beginning to take off here, there’s tons of Arabs in comparison to the Danish population…and the lower middle class Danes are so utterly naive that’s its embarrassing.

    Unless there’s some very smart hard-core Christians guiding Denmark away from trouble…I’m not seeing how this society is going to survive.

    Religious white Americans who marry other religious white Americans are LIGHTYEARS ahead of any Dane.

    I feel like one of those early Christians who came to some promiscuous pagan country with strange people…and I’m just watching the crash with morbid fascination

    The heartiste Single Mother problem and the Dysgenics as a result can really be seen in the little kids…they are really Not Prepared and definitely getting lower IQs because of the women choosing cads over intelligence

    Dysgenics reign supreme here…although I know a lot of rich high IQ families with TONS of kids…I don’t think the kids will be able to keep those gains for another generation because they are so Brainwashed by Liberalism that the daughters and sons won’t have children

    The whole ‘women must have careers or else they should kill themselves because that’s the only thing women can do is have a career’ thing is going to explode the country.

    Christian America >>> Denmark

    I have a girlfriend who is a classic cock carousel riding slut by Heartiste definition and even She is kinda disturbed…that’s how bad it is

  98. Also a reminder that Copenhagen has the most homogeneous population in Western Europe (Over 80% Danish, let alone white) and that is entirely down to the Danish Peoples Party being able to influence policy just in time since the late 90s/early 2000s.

    It’s really nice and strangely surreal to be in a major Western city and only see natives.

    Additionally Denmark has lots of laws that are functionally hostile to foreigners such as higher mortgage rates given to non-citizens (Indian shopkeepers the world over use cheap Indian bank loans to establish themselves) and certain types of holiday homes being unlawful for foreigners to own. (In total violation of EU law.) Other things too like certain qualification standards being weirdly different to the rest of Europe keeps out foreign tradesmen and skilled manual labour from operating

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    If the Danes maintain that state of affairs against the massive EU / US / UN pressure to open the floodgates to non-European colonists, it sounds like a great vacation destination for our family someday.

    We do need a few cities to take the place of London, Paris, Stockholm, Rome, Berlin, Vienna, and Amsterdam on our list. We're not big on Sharia Tours as a way of spending our hard-earned money and our free time.

    Let's see, maybe Poland, Belarus, Russia and ... Copenhagen? For now, at least. Good luck and God Bless the Danes. HAVE MORE CHILDREN!
  99. @Dieter Kief
    Denmark is so well off because it managed to avoid the political parxoysm of the Brexit, Le Pen and - Trumpism.

    - - Explains: Steven Pinker, in his new book Enlightenment Now!, p. 451 f.

    It’s impossible for such a worldly man to not know just how much less immigration Denmark has had than the rest of Western Europe, he must have visited Copenhagen at least once in the last 10 years. (The first thought which emerges from an urban dweller from the rest of Europe is, ‘Where are all the non-Danes?’)

    That the Danish version of UKIP has been running immigration policy off and on for almost the last 20 years is the reason Denmark is not suffering any political upheavals.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    You know about Denmark's immigration restrictions and I know - so: How come, Steven Pinker - ignores such facts?

    When he states, that "the case for the neo-theo-reactionary-populist nationalism is intellectually bancrupt" (p. 450 in Enlightenment Now) - you could say: Ok, a liberal.

    But when he praises Denmark at the same time in the very same book - - (I guess I'm as baffled as you are.... that Pinker appears then as just one more member of the New Internationlist Confusianists or - maybe even a tad more precise: New Confusionsts Transnational).

  100. @Anonymous
    Saying it would be a "nice place" and better than Haiti is a copout. Nobody doubts such vague generalities. The point is that it wouldn't have its current mix of welfare and government spending if it had to actually be much more independent.

    The EU is only a few decades old. Denmark existed before the EU.

  101. @tsotha
    Denmark's demographic changes have occurred relatively quickly - the rot hasn't had time to set in. Give it a generation or two, when Danes start having to deal with the entitled children of Somali immigrants at the Danish equivalent of the DMV.

    High crime rates by certain groups in certain areas are non-trivial. It’s just the range of the area, there’s a lot of space to escape to. It’s the big late 90s/early 2000s wave that the Danish Peoples Party stopped, the older wave was about as big as it was for other wealthy welfare states in Europe. So there are a non-trivial number of maladapted 2nd and 3rd generation Arabs, Somalis and Balkans, enough to cause some serious crime, but the total amount of immigrants themselves is very low.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/tag/shooting
    (Not all of these involve non-Danes, there are some Hells Angels biker gangs who cause trouble too)

    Give it a generation and Sweden’s crime rates are going to go through the absolute roof not Denmarks. It’s those 2nd and 3rd generations that really go wild. It’s a ticking time bomb of gang crime and violence that Sweden is sitting on. It’s not new Asylum seekers leaving grenades outside Police stations. Additionally the raw ethnic hatred is only really formed in the 2nd generation.

  102. @Forbes

    I thought McArdle was brighter than this.
     
    She's not really. She's one of those explainers who paints on the canvas of conventional wisdom with different paint brush. She goes to some length in the article to debunk "conservatives," when in reality she's debunking a straw man. For all her supposed business and economics acumen, she uses a small sample of the world (Denmark) to discover an outlier--a small sample being exactly where one finds statistical outliers.

    If she wanted to write about social trust (for a US audience) she could've read Robert Putnam's "Bowling Alone." But that would be devastating for her libertarian open borders sensibility. And Putnam is a left-liberal.

    If she wanted to write about social trust (for a US audience) she could’ve read Robert Putnam’s “Bowling Alone.” But that would be devastating for her libertarian open borders sensibility. And Putnam is a left-liberal.

    Before saying something so evidently absurd, why not google “megan mcardle bowling alone”?

    https://www.cato-unbound.org/2015/03/04/megan-mcardle/its-complicated-hopeful

  103. @syonredux
    I haven't read comics on a serious level since I was 14....but, prior to that, I was a massive comics fan, reading not only the new stuff as it came out but also (via a friendly uncle) huge quantities of stuff from the '60s and '70s.

    That being the case, I do like to occasionally glance at what's coming out nowadays (Are old favorites still being bought? So-and-so is back from the dead?). And one thing that I have noticed is that the Poz has reached toxic (to use a favorite expression of the SJWs) levels: Tony Stark replaced by a super-genius Black girl, bisexual Latinx punching Hitler, a woman wielding Mjolnir, etc.

    I've watched a few of the videos posted by Diversity & Comics, and he does a good job of pointing out just how unreadable current comics are. I can't imagine my 10-year old self making it through more than a tiny fraction of what is currently being published.

    That being the case, I do like to occasionally glance at what’s coming out nowadays (Are old favorites still being bought? So-and-so is back from the dead?). And one thing that I have noticed is that the Poz has reached toxic (to use a favorite expression of the SJWs) levels: Tony Stark replaced by a super-genius Black girl, bisexual Latinx punching Hitler, a woman wielding Mjolnir, etc.

    There’s some good stuff out there from smaller publishers like Dynamite, Dark Horse, Image, much of it completely free of poz. (Although nothing I’d call politically incorrect.)

  104. @KM32
    I have an Irish friend who is always going on about how the English invaded his country, planted colonists, destroyed the Irish language, etc. He is also in favor of unlimited immigration to his country, which he thinks was terrible until about 25 years ago.

    Oh, and he is 45 with a 40 year old (Polish) girlfriend, and has no kids.

    He sounds like a perfect fit for the new Sinn Fein: Brits out, blacks in.

  105. Europe was overpopulated, crime ridden a couple of hundred years ago.
    Read Dickens or Thomas Hardy.
    Sweden had half its population emigrate to the US.

    They exported their overpopulation to Asia, Africa and the Americas
    (think Opium Wars and FDR’s maternal grandfather).
    And imported the natural resources back to Europe.

    Now the wheel has turned.
    Africa and Asia are exporting their over population to Europe and North America.

    Ultimately the poor and hungry (or Barbarians win).
    Think Rome and the Huns/Goths etc.

    Later Europeans vs Indians/Chinese

    https://voxeu.org/article/wars-plagues-and-europe-s-rise-riches
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_emigration_to_the_United_States

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Europe was overpopulated, crime ridden a couple of hundred years ago."

    No, two hundred years ago (1818) European population growth was only just taking off. But it's much greater now than in say 1900.

    I can only think of one European country whose population is less than the 1850 population - Ireland, which had a catastrophic famine.

    It wasn't crime-ridden compared with today. You think there's less crime in London now than in Dickens' time? There are gangs in London now throwing acid in people's faces to steal their moped, not stealing silk hankies from pockets.
  106. @anon
    Stop saying: "Denmark and Iceland are small countries, we can't reproduce what they have." No, they are homogeneous White countries. *That's* why we can't reproduce what they have. The problem is not the gross population size, or even the people per square mile, it's who the people are. You can see countless examples of this, from Australia to South Africa, to Israel, to New Zealand, to all the European colonies in the New World.

    Europeans recreated Europe wherever they went. It's the people, and it's not complicated.

    I would have no trouble recreating Iceland on the tip of South America, with a population of 10 million, with all the same social benefits and high standard of living. Give me 10 million Icelanders, and a few decades. I won't even have to do anything.

    Give me 10 million Haitians instead? An impossible task.

    No, they are homogeneous White countries. *That’s* why we can’t reproduce what they have. The problem is not the gross population size, or even the people per square mile, it’s who the people are.

    Firstly, Denmark isn’t all that homogeneous. And anyway, Sweden has even more diversity (running about 20-25% non-Swede), and is much more fanatical about it, yet by every important social metric (except rape), it’s doing at least as well as Denmark.

    Secondly, Sweden is more diverse than Britain, but it has a significantly higher per capita GDP and significantly lower income inequality with a somewhat higher, but still reasonable, unemployment rate.

    Thirdly, if a homogeneous white population is all it took, then it’s hard to explain why Ukraine is such an incredible mess.

    So while having the ‘right people’ make up a country goes a long a way to determining what that country is capable of, it’s hardly the end of the story. Progress and development won’t just occur automatically.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    So while having the ‘right people’ make up a country goes a long a way to determining what that country is capable of, it’s hardly the end of the story. Progress and development won’t just occur automatically.

    When I looked at the homicide rates several years ago there was a noticeable difference in homicide by regional area over the world with a strong correlation to ethnicity. Even within Europe, Europeans are not all created equal. Northern Europe is among the lowest, from memory. Of course now, Sweden has pozzed itself with non-white immigrants so the country average is no longer representative of ethnic Swedes. But anyway, the Eastern European states are significantly higher in intentional homicide rates, including Ukraine. I don't know what it is about the Russians and Ukrainians, but with 77% Ukrainians and 17% Russians, i.e. 94% total, I suspect they are just a more violent people, and likely something about their makeup makes them less prone to performing as well as say, the Danes. There may be other factors, but it is wise to remember that ethnic Ukrainians are not ethnic Danes, there will be differences although both are Europeans.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate.svg

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine
  107. @Anonymous
    Hardly any Jews in Denmark.

    Denmark would be a very different place with a Jewish Hollywood, Jewish NYC Media, Jewish Wall Street, Jewish puppet presidents and an AIPAC occupied congress.

    If Denmark allowed itself to be colonized by Ashkenazi Jews, as America did, then Denmark would have mass alien immigration, constant hostile divide & conquer media, puppeteered politicians, massive foreign entanglements, a native population afraid of its own government because it's marked for displacement and dispossession, relentless culture war where Danes are mocked etc, etc, etc, etc ...

    Hardly any Jews in Denmark.

    Yes there are.

  108. @Buzz Mohawk
    OT, The Korean Olympics are very Korean, because Electronics, or something...

    Samsung on Ice

    Right now the closing ceremonies are on my Samsung TV, and it is like a Samsung commercial on ice. There is literally a giant circle of big screen TVs going 'round on the ice, with people skating around them.

    Korean TVs on ice in Korea going around in circles on my Korean TV!

    I'm getting dizzy.

    Oh, now the Samsung rectangles are arranged in a giant rectangle on ice. This and the K-pop just warm my heart and make me want to eat some Spam.

    Get to an ER immediately. A willingness to eat Spam is a serious symptom. Unless you’re Hawaiian.

  109. @Anonymous
    Hardly any Jews in Denmark.

    Denmark would be a very different place with a Jewish Hollywood, Jewish NYC Media, Jewish Wall Street, Jewish puppet presidents and an AIPAC occupied congress.

    If Denmark allowed itself to be colonized by Ashkenazi Jews, as America did, then Denmark would have mass alien immigration, constant hostile divide & conquer media, puppeteered politicians, massive foreign entanglements, a native population afraid of its own government because it's marked for displacement and dispossession, relentless culture war where Danes are mocked etc, etc, etc, etc ...

    Denmark would be a very different place with a Jewish Hollywood, Jewish NYC Media

    You’ve never heard of the Bonnier Group?

  110. @Dave Pinsen
    This is a copout. If Denmark spent more on defense it would still be a nice place. Haiti spends nothing on defense and is a terrible place.

    Size is a copout as well. A large enough land area with 100 million Danes would be a nice place to live too.

    And by the way: what sort of conservatives would roll their eyes at a downtown full of blond people?

    Megan doesn’t grok the perspective of Trump voters, who aren’t libertarian spergs. To the extent that they are wary of big government it’s because government in America is often staffed by people who are either incompetent or hostile to them. If they had a government like Denmark’s they’d feel differently.

    Dave, I agree with you. If you take 39 million people and one of the largest land masses on the planet you get Canada. Adding 61 million more people (so you have a population of 100 million) would make Canada less like Denmark and more like Mexico. Huge, rolling plains of grain do not need pickers and pulp forests do not need lumber jacks. Problem is that there isn’t a spare 94 million Danes waiting some place to move back to Denmark, but there are millions of soon to be “Canadians” waiting for Trudeau to send them their invitations. And, Canada also has the Artic to the north, the Pacific to the west and the Atlantic to the east, oh, and their southern ass is covered by the USA.

  111. @Anonymous
    Hardly any Jews in Denmark.

    Denmark would be a very different place with a Jewish Hollywood, Jewish NYC Media, Jewish Wall Street, Jewish puppet presidents and an AIPAC occupied congress.

    If Denmark allowed itself to be colonized by Ashkenazi Jews, as America did, then Denmark would have mass alien immigration, constant hostile divide & conquer media, puppeteered politicians, massive foreign entanglements, a native population afraid of its own government because it's marked for displacement and dispossession, relentless culture war where Danes are mocked etc, etc, etc, etc ...

    Denmark was pretty cool with Jews during WWII. When the Nazis were occupying and started trying to implement policies like people of Jewish ancestry wearing Jewish Stars regardless of religious practices, the Danish king said he would wear one himself. Pranksters went into the churches and put Jewish Star badges on statues of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. The policy was never enforced, and many Danes helped Jewish neighbors to escape the Nazis (although they left Communists to fend for themselves).

  112. @ThreeCranes
    One of my favorite anecdotes coming from Danish Greenland was told by Peter Freuchen in his book "Vagrant Viking". He and Knud Rasmussen were the first white men to successfully cross Greenland by dog sled. He (maybe both of them) married a native Inuit woman way back around 1915 or so.

    Anyway, on one of his many dogsled trips Freuchen encountered a severe storm. It was so bad he took refuge under his sled, the usual strategy in such cases. The dogs were left outside to curl up, head to tail and be covered by drifts, which kept them warm.

    Peter slept peacefully, unworried, having been through this sort of thing before. When he woke up, the storm had abated. It only remained for him to kick out the hide covering the end of the sled and emerge from his snug cocoon. Unfortunately, when he went to do so, he discovered that the hide had frozen solidly in place and wouldn't budge. So he tried the other end of the sleigh. Nothing doing. He thought to himself, "I'll have to cut myself out" and reached for the trusty sheath knife that he wore strapped about his waist. Oh sh*t! It wasn't there. He must have left it up top, looped over the handle of the sleigh. Dam*.

    He went back to kicking until he realized it was futile. He tried clawing at the hide but it was frozen so hard that all he succeeded in doing was ripping the skin off his fingers. He was well and truly stuck. This was bad. He would freeze to death if he couldn't find some stick, some piece of bone or hard object with which to hack away at the unyielding leather.. He fell into a funk and contemplated death.

    Then inspiration struck. He realized that he had one thing at his disposal that could conceivably be used as an implement and that was one of his own turds. So he took a dump and while it was still warm and pliable, fashioned it into a crude chisel. Once it had hardened, he used it to hack his way through the ice around the hide and did indeed succeed in freeing himself.

    As 27 year old says, White people are truly awesome.

    ThreeCranes, I have Freuchen’s book “Eskimos” in my collection. He “married” a fourteen year old Eskimo girl. Peter was a very large man, 6′-5″ IIRC. I think the dog sled tale is just that. He could barely fit beneath a sled, let alone turn from end to end under one. Nice sorry to tell while sitting around a whale oil lamp in a igloo.

  113. @Anonymous
    Ultimately, Denmark cannot remain in the EU - and limit third world immigration. For example, in just a few years' time, the hundreds of thousands of invaders currently sequestered in Greece and Italy will have the full 'right' to enter Denmark and partake of the Danish way of life. Similarly, the millions of third world origin people in France, Germany, Sweden etc potentially have the full 'right' to move in on Denmark if the economies of those nations tank, due, not least, to the immigrants themselves.
    Without limiting third world immigration it cannot maintain its welfare state - the math makes it impossible.
    At some point in the future, Denmark must choose between the EU and citizens' living standards.

    Anon., so true. Italy will be minority Italian by 2050, if I remember correctly.

  114. @Anonymous
    Saying it would be a "nice place" and better than Haiti is a copout. Nobody doubts such vague generalities. The point is that it wouldn't have its current mix of welfare and government spending if it had to actually be much more independent.

    The point is that it wouldn’t have its current mix of welfare and government spending if it had to actually be much more independent.

    Why not? I know it’s a conservative article of faith that high taxes and welfare are necessarily economically ruinous, but where’s the actual evidence?

    As far as I can tell, there isn’t any such evidence; all the arguments are based on conjecture derived from theoretical economics. That’s why I was once a convinced little libertardian demanding lower taxes and the abolition of welfare – because that’s what textbook economics (and libertarian ideologues) seemed to suggest was necessary.

    Eventually, the cognitive dissonance created by the difference between real-world, empirical evidence and theorized economic outcomes became too much for me and I began to curse the day I ever heard of Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?


    The cost of building a force sufficient to deter communist expansion without the United States would have rendered the Scandinavian welfare state untenable.
    , @whorefinder
    ROFL.

    1. Welfare states in Europe lapped up the free border defense America provided.

    2. America led the way on medical innovation in the last 80+ years while everyone else was busy making people wait 9 months for routine surgery.
  115. @Anon
    https://twitter.com/navyhato/status/967936774994456577


    This is too funny. Not that the Hindu guy is wrong about Trudeau, but has he seen his own nation recently? I mean, why would anyone need to drive India to the dumps when half the population take a dump outdoors?

    Anon, this is very interesting, especially when you consider that a major portion of Canada’s new immigrants come from India and southeast Asia. Canadians are too full of themselves to realize that everything Ajit Datta says is true. I think Datta was referring to Man-Boy’s support of a radical political movement in India, not a bowel movement.

  116. All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes. …

    Those conservatives are probably right; they would hate living in Denmark

    It’s hilarious that Megan notices that it’s *conservatives* who visibly gag at a blonde, white, virtually mono-racial society. Well, they do. They are more rabid about multiculturalism (i.e., a visible black presence) than lefties are.

    The right of center ruling coalition in Denmark for most of this century has been staunchly immigration restrictionist.

    True, but even that didn’t stop Denmark from becoming 5% Muslim.

  117. I’m sure high trust makes for pleasant living, but it also makes your society soft, naive, vulnerable, and a little odd, in my opinion. Should consider a middle ground.

    The middle ground is high trust + xenophobia. Dual morality.

    Has high trust hurt the Japanese? Has it hurt the Israelis?

    Do the Israelis have it? I seem to remember reading something about Israel’s “freier culture.” IMO that kind of attitude being widespread is more telling than corruption statistics, or articles about financial scandals.

    And solidarity is a very mixed bag. Despite its surface appeal, solidarity is the #1 cause of self-righteous injustice against out-groups and naysayers. It would be a (((better world))) if we could just admit that our “fellow citizens” are not our brothers and sisters, but strangers.

    “Rightists always wind up cooking and eating anyone who isn’t a native!”

    Leftists always wind up cooking and eating anyone who is.

    It’s not hard to see which is the better deal for a native.

    I think Israel would be more accurately described as low-trust but high-solidarity. As in, instinctively siding with the in-group against outsiders, both in the macro case (i.e. [geo-]politics), but also in the micro case. High trust is “I find your wallet, I give it back,” while high-solidarity is “I find your wallet, I give it to my brother so he can make his rent this month.”

    I think the parlance here is “low trust” and “clannish.”

    Sadly, that’s typical of modern Irish people. These days, their nationalism is an utter fraud. It starts and stops with a lot of whining about Britain.

    IIRC, the IRA has always been a bunch of pinko open-borders Kool-Aid swillers. Never heard a peep about them opposing open borders after they won the right to destroy Ireland away from the British, either.

  118. This is interesting news from Denmark. Crimes committed in certain areas with high poverty (Read: Immigrant ghettos) will be punished more severely.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20180226/danish-government-wants-double-punishments-for-crimes-in-underprivileged-areas

    Vandalism, theft and threatening behaviour will be punished more severely in areas defined as ‘special punishment zones’, according to a new plan to be set out by the Danish government.

    Double punishments for certain types of offence committed in underprivileged areas defined as ‘ghettos’ will form part of a programme of measures aimed at the marginalised zones, Justice Minister Søren Pape Poulsen told newspaper Berlingske.

    Be interesting to see the effects of this and the political debate to come from it.

    • Replies: @a reader
    More on these measures.

    The EU authorities will undoubtedly applaud and soon replicate them.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Imagine if we tried this in the USA.
  119. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s kind of odd that Denmark runs a pretty big chunk of land in the western hemisphere, namely Greenland.
     
    But they were smart enough to unload the Virgins on us. Who can we sell Puerto Rico to?

    My dad was sent to Thule Air Base for a few months in the early '60s. Thanks to that, we were the first kids on the block to have Legos. They sold them in the PX.

    @63 Reg Caesar: “My dad was sent to Thule Air Base for a few months in the early ’60s. Thanks to that, we were the first kids on the block to have Legos. They sold them in the PX.”

    My late father-in-law traveled to Thule in 1957 with the 82nd Airborne to take part in Exercise Arctic Night, the first US parachute exercise in the Arctic Circle. I don’t think he stopped at the
    PX or bought any Legos, though. There’s a tv documentary on the drop here by The Big Picture, but I haven’t been able to catch a glimpse of him in the film. We have pictures of him in his gear beside his snow shelter. My husband’s godfather was posted to Thule in the early ’60s, I believe – will have to ask his kids if he brought them any Legos.

  120. @Seamus Padraig
    There's truth to that. But then again, pretty much all of the other European countries are also EU-affiliated and under NATO 'protection', yet they are rapidly turning into diversity shit-holes just like us. So the question remains: what makes Denmark different? Not just from us, but from them.

    The Danish Peoples Party was successful in the 90s, that’s all. Every other party in Denmark would have engaged in exactly the sort of actions as the rest of Europe otherwise it’s influence. That they came in just in time to attenuate the flow in the late 90s and early 2000s was the key.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Thank God!

    Where's our People's Party here in the USA? Because President Trump ain't it, and the GOP without / after him sure doesn't look like it either.
  121. @Altai
    It's impossible for such a worldly man to not know just how much less immigration Denmark has had than the rest of Western Europe, he must have visited Copenhagen at least once in the last 10 years. (The first thought which emerges from an urban dweller from the rest of Europe is, 'Where are all the non-Danes?')

    That the Danish version of UKIP has been running immigration policy off and on for almost the last 20 years is the reason Denmark is not suffering any political upheavals.

    You know about Denmark’s immigration restrictions and I know – so: How come, Steven Pinker – ignores such facts?

    When he states, that “the case for the neo-theo-reactionary-populist nationalism is intellectually bancrupt” (p. 450 in Enlightenment Now) – you could say: Ok, a liberal.

    But when he praises Denmark at the same time in the very same book – – (I guess I’m as baffled as you are…. that Pinker appears then as just one more member of the New Internationlist Confusianists or – maybe even a tad more precise: New Confusionsts Transnational).

    • Replies: @Altai
    It's astonishing, it's really the 'classical liberals', the right libertarians, who are totally intellectually bankrupt. They predict nothing, they are constantly caught by surprise in the marketplace of ideas and they produce no solutions for any modern problems. Most importantly, they increasingly betray it in their body language in their written language.
  122. @Almost Missouri

    "you can have a pretty nice country as long as you are small and are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors."
     
    You can also have a pretty crappy country while you are willing to be a protectorate of larger, benevolent neighbors.

    El Salvador also has a population of six million, and was under the protection of the US to the extent of even receiving direct US financial and military aid, yet somehow it never became a "pretty nice country". Its best known export is MS-13.

    Small, large, protectorate, independent, this, that, whatever, whatever ... it is all irrelevant.

    In the game of national real estate, three things matter: genetics, genetics, and genetics.

    25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    In true Puerto Rican style, soon they'll be more Salvadorans in the USA than Salvadorans in El Salvador.
    , @Jefferson
    "25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States."

    And the vast majority of them immigrate to just 5 states Florida, California, New York, Maryland, and Virginia.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States.

     

    The correct solution is treat El Salvador as a failed state, and annex it's land and physical resources into the US.

    Don't use elections to determine government + policy; use the more meaningful votes when people vote with their feet. Nations and modes of governance that people are desperate to flee from should be replaced by the nations and modes of governance that people are desperate to join.
    , @RadicalCenter
    There must be a similarly horrifying ratio for Puerto Ricans, probably worse.
  123. @Jason Liu
    I'm sure high trust makes for pleasant living, but it also makes your society soft, naive, vulnerable, and a little odd, in my opinion. Should consider a middle ground.

    The naivety is just the product of the popular media, especially television, which in every western country only reports the good and never the bad things about diversity.

  124. @silviosilver

    The point is that it wouldn’t have its current mix of welfare and government spending if it had to actually be much more independent.
     
    Why not? I know it's a conservative article of faith that high taxes and welfare are necessarily economically ruinous, but where's the actual evidence?

    As far as I can tell, there isn't any such evidence; all the arguments are based on conjecture derived from theoretical economics. That's why I was once a convinced little libertardian demanding lower taxes and the abolition of welfare - because that's what textbook economics (and libertarian ideologues) seemed to suggest was necessary.

    Eventually, the cognitive dissonance created by the difference between real-world, empirical evidence and theorized economic outcomes became too much for me and I began to curse the day I ever heard of Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard.

    Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?

    The cost of building a force sufficient to deter communist expansion without the United States would have rendered the Scandinavian welfare state untenable.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?
     
    A country called Germany, which you may have heard of.

    Its model is much closer to the Scandinavians' than it is to America's. Like Sweden, it not only has a significantly greater per capita GDP and significantly less income inequality than the more 'American'-model-leaning United Kingdom, it even has lower unemployment.

    My understanding is that France is similarly modeled, but that country has not fared as well over the last decade or so. Whether this is because the German model at some point diverged from the French, I don't know.

    This is evidence rather than conclusive proof, but it's more than what ideologues who claim that no way could such a model scale up bring to the table. (Like your second sentence, for example.)

    , @Anonymous
    Do you have any evidence at all that the Soviets *ever* cast envious eyes upon Denmark?
    As far as I know, it was Bismarck's Germany which annexed Schleswig-Holstein, thus enabling the cutting of the Kiel Canal.
  125. @Anonymous
    Denmark has less than 6 million people, which is less than New York City. And it's ensconced in the EU and protected by the US and NATO. It's pointless to compare it to much larger polities, and it wouldn't be the same if it weren't able to free ride on larger polities.

    The US and NATO are the same thing.

    What patriots need to do is to get the American Empire to act more like a republic that is responsive to the civilization that created it. NATO should be terminated as it exists only to further destroy European Christendom and national sovereignty. The European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization must be pushed off a cliff.

    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire is using its control of the US government and the US military to financialize, globalize and multiculturalize every nation under its sway.

    I love those beautiful Danish butter cookies. Pernille Vermund is one of the sweetest.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Maybe replace NATO with a partnership including all its current members,
    MINUS Turkey,
    PLUS Russia and Belarus.

    Any alliance that includes Turkey or any other Muslim country is unrealistic and unreliable in the end.
  126. @KM32
    I have an Irish friend who is always going on about how the English invaded his country, planted colonists, destroyed the Irish language, etc. He is also in favor of unlimited immigration to his country, which he thinks was terrible until about 25 years ago.

    Oh, and he is 45 with a 40 year old (Polish) girlfriend, and has no kids.

    The ONLY good thing about the pozzing of Ireland and the decline of Catholicism is that it makes homicidal nationalism somewhat less likely at a time when the status of the Irish border is a major headache for Brexit – in that the losing side in the referendum are saying (hoping?) that the IRA will intervene if there’s a meaningful border between Eire and the UK.

    England was a (relatively) tough nut for the globalists to crack – sixty years of cultural revolution and mass immigration, and there’s STILL resistance, as Brexit shows.

    Ireland underwent the same changes in thirty-odd years – there were very few immigrants there thirty years ago, and it was still a very Catholic (and nationalist) place.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Dumb question: was there any reason the Irish grew nothing but potatoes, and only one variety at that?
  127. @Steve Johnson
    Obligatory reminder - when Matt Yglesias got polar bear hunted he was on his way home from Megan McArdle's house in DC.

    She will NEVER notice non-approved things or come to non-approved conclusions.

    Obligatory reminder – when Matt Yglesias got polar bear hunted he was on his way home from Megan McArdle’s house in DC. She will NEVER notice non-approved things or come to non-approved conclusions.

    Also worth remembering that while she herself is not precisely speaking a particularly spergish variety of libertarian, when she reached her sell-by date at the tail end of her 30s, she married her last, best option, a guy (Peter Suderman) some 12 years her junior who practically epitomizes Caplanesque spergishness. She can’t rock the boat on the home front.

  128. @Sam Haysom
    Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?


    The cost of building a force sufficient to deter communist expansion without the United States would have rendered the Scandinavian welfare state untenable.

    Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?

    A country called Germany, which you may have heard of.

    Its model is much closer to the Scandinavians’ than it is to America’s. Like Sweden, it not only has a significantly greater per capita GDP and significantly less income inequality than the more ‘American’-model-leaning United Kingdom, it even has lower unemployment.

    My understanding is that France is similarly modeled, but that country has not fared as well over the last decade or so. Whether this is because the German model at some point diverged from the French, I don’t know.

    This is evidence rather than conclusive proof, but it’s more than what ideologues who claim that no way could such a model scale up bring to the table. (Like your second sentence, for example.)

    • Replies: @snorlax
    That would be a somewhat more convincing argument were Germany not next to Switzerland, besides which America looks socialist and Germany looks like a slum.

    Also, as smarter US conservatives have been pointing out for decades, apples to apples comparisons — Germans to German-Americans, Swedes to Swedish-Americans, Danes to Danish-Americans, etc — show that the hyphenated-Americans’ incomes are on the order of 30-50% higher, test scores and graduation rates are better, crime and unemployment are lower, life expectancy is just as high, and as a kicker, incomes are more equal too.
  129. @anonymouslee
    The millennial and younger alt right would burst into laughter at the idea we wouldn't want to be more like Denmark.


    Good God it's insane that "conservativism" was defined as worshipping corporate power.

    I assure you that kind of nonsense will get no traction with Generation 0: the first non-majority white American generation.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/census-minority-youth-over-take-whites-in-2020-50-under-18/article/2611227


    any white "conservative" arguing in favor of immigration, eg, will be laughed out of the room and put on a list of traitors.

    Pernille Vermund, Danish political leader who wants to limit immigration to keep Denmark as a home for the Danes, is 42 years old and I bet she would love to go hiking along a cliff side with Angela Merkel.

    Vermund is one of those beautiful Danish women that is smart and fit as a fiddle.

    Evil baby boomers who push nation-wrecking mass immigration such as Hillary Clinton and Angela Merkel should be tripped up in their attempts to destroy their own nations. If they trip off a cliff or a deep ravine, so be it.

    Raglan Road sung by Van Morrison:

    On Grafton Street in November,
    We tripped lightly along the ledge
    Of a deep ravine where can be seen
    The worst of passions pledged.

  130. @Dieter Kief
    Denmark is so well off because it managed to avoid the political parxoysm of the Brexit, Le Pen and - Trumpism.

    - - Explains: Steven Pinker, in his new book Enlightenment Now!, p. 451 f.

    Denmark is so well off because it managed to avoid the political parxoysm of the Brexit, Le Pen and – Trumpism.

    – – Explains: Steven Pinker, in his new book Enlightenment Now!, p. 451 f.

    I generally don’t mind Pinker but maybe (pardon the pun) he’s just a pinker shade of red.

  131. @Sam Haysom
    Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?


    The cost of building a force sufficient to deter communist expansion without the United States would have rendered the Scandinavian welfare state untenable.

    Do you have any evidence at all that the Soviets *ever* cast envious eyes upon Denmark?
    As far as I know, it was Bismarck’s Germany which annexed Schleswig-Holstein, thus enabling the cutting of the Kiel Canal.

  132. @Buzz Mohawk
    Copenhagen, hell Denmark, sounds like one big Boulder, Colorado.

    Well, Boulder is about 10% Latino and growing, and 5% Asian and growing.

    But for now, a decent comparison.

  133. @DCThrowback
    25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States.

    In true Puerto Rican style, soon they’ll be more Salvadorans in the USA than Salvadorans in El Salvador.

  134. @silviosilver

    No, they are homogeneous White countries. *That’s* why we can’t reproduce what they have. The problem is not the gross population size, or even the people per square mile, it’s who the people are.
     
    Firstly, Denmark isn't all that homogeneous. And anyway, Sweden has even more diversity (running about 20-25% non-Swede), and is much more fanatical about it, yet by every important social metric (except rape), it's doing at least as well as Denmark.

    Secondly, Sweden is more diverse than Britain, but it has a significantly higher per capita GDP and significantly lower income inequality with a somewhat higher, but still reasonable, unemployment rate.

    Thirdly, if a homogeneous white population is all it took, then it's hard to explain why Ukraine is such an incredible mess.

    So while having the 'right people' make up a country goes a long a way to determining what that country is capable of, it's hardly the end of the story. Progress and development won't just occur automatically.

    So while having the ‘right people’ make up a country goes a long a way to determining what that country is capable of, it’s hardly the end of the story. Progress and development won’t just occur automatically.

    When I looked at the homicide rates several years ago there was a noticeable difference in homicide by regional area over the world with a strong correlation to ethnicity. Even within Europe, Europeans are not all created equal. Northern Europe is among the lowest, from memory. Of course now, Sweden has pozzed itself with non-white immigrants so the country average is no longer representative of ethnic Swedes. But anyway, the Eastern European states are significantly higher in intentional homicide rates, including Ukraine. I don’t know what it is about the Russians and Ukrainians, but with 77% Ukrainians and 17% Russians, i.e. 94% total, I suspect they are just a more violent people, and likely something about their makeup makes them less prone to performing as well as say, the Danes. There may be other factors, but it is wise to remember that ethnic Ukrainians are not ethnic Danes, there will be differences although both are Europeans.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate.svg

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    I take no issue with what you have said here. The poster I was responding didn't specify any ethnicity, just 'white people' so I replied to that. My point was to critique the implicit 'ethno-libertarian' argument he was making, that "all it takes" is having the right people make up a country. This idea has long been part of libertarianism's appeal - an appeal magnified by hereditarianism - that if you just "get government out of the way" then everything else will automatically fall into place. I think the evidence says, "probably not."
  135. @jimbojones
    It's not the whiteness, it's the homogeneity and cohesion.
    Japan and South Korea are stupendously successful societies. Both are non-white and extremely homogeneous.
    Homogeneity is not a sufficient condition for success. Perhaps it is not even necessary. But it does go a long way.

    By the way, you CAN have Denmark in the US. It's called the Northeast. It's called the Northwest. It's called the Dakotas. It's called Canada (30 years ago). It's white, socially cohesive, high-trust, and successful beyond belief. Most of the pathology in American life is concentrated where the following groups reside: Blacks, Hispanics, Amerindians, and the so-called Rednecks.

    Nice points, but if you think the northeastern US is like Denmark, you can’t be including the only decent-sized State in New England, Massachusetts. (MA has roughly as many people as VT, ME, NH, RI, and CT combined.)

    Boston’s population is at least a third nonwhite, and the public schools more so. Nearly five percent of the State is Puerto Rican.

    In 2015, live births statewide in MA were approaching 13% black and 10% Asian. Almost 20% of live births were Hispanic, though at least, some of those are white (mainly Portuguese).

    Maine and Vermont are almost all-white, but their populations and economies are not particularly significant: barely 2 million people, combined.

    And Connecticut? Still quite white but changing fast. In 2015, live births were 14% black and 7% Asian, each higher than in 2013 and 2011. CT also has a rapidly growing Hispanic population.

    • Agree: jimbojones
  136. @Dieter Kief
    You know about Denmark's immigration restrictions and I know - so: How come, Steven Pinker - ignores such facts?

    When he states, that "the case for the neo-theo-reactionary-populist nationalism is intellectually bancrupt" (p. 450 in Enlightenment Now) - you could say: Ok, a liberal.

    But when he praises Denmark at the same time in the very same book - - (I guess I'm as baffled as you are.... that Pinker appears then as just one more member of the New Internationlist Confusianists or - maybe even a tad more precise: New Confusionsts Transnational).

    It’s astonishing, it’s really the ‘classical liberals’, the right libertarians, who are totally intellectually bankrupt. They predict nothing, they are constantly caught by surprise in the marketplace of ideas and they produce no solutions for any modern problems. Most importantly, they increasingly betray it in their body language in their written language.

  137. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children, lives in a single-family house, and by his own account sticks to a tight affinity-network, a Bubble he calls it. His kids are home-schooled. In other words, Caplan lives in Belmont. Open Borders look great when your neighborhood has a $500K entrance fee. The cognitive and financial elites do not preach what they practice.

    Megan McArdle got called on this very quickly. She responded with a sermon on Twitter insisting that Americans will just have to double down and make Diversity work. Somehow.


    So, a number of people have reacted to my piece on Denmark by arguing that American trust and social cohesion are being destroyed by multiculturalism. I have some thoughts on that. (1/n)— (((Megan McArdle))) (@asymmetricinfo) February 23, 2018
     
    I'm guessing Megan's networks are as white, with a few high-g Asians, as Caplan's.

    Ideology stupefies.

    “Megan McArdle got called on this [elite hypocrisy concerning open borders and diversity] very quickly. She responded with a sermon on Twitter insisting that Americans will just have to double down and make Diversity work. Somehow.”

    Diversity cannot fail, it can only be failed.

  138. “Utah looks a lot like Denmark”

    In terms of phenotype yes. Both populations are very blond. No one would mistake them for Mediterranean societies.

  139. @Altai
    This is interesting news from Denmark. Crimes committed in certain areas with high poverty (Read: Immigrant ghettos) will be punished more severely.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20180226/danish-government-wants-double-punishments-for-crimes-in-underprivileged-areas

    Vandalism, theft and threatening behaviour will be punished more severely in areas defined as 'special punishment zones', according to a new plan to be set out by the Danish government.

    Double punishments for certain types of offence committed in underprivileged areas defined as 'ghettos' will form part of a programme of measures aimed at the marginalised zones, Justice Minister Søren Pape Poulsen told newspaper Berlingske.
     

    Be interesting to see the effects of this and the political debate to come from it.

    More on these measures.

    The EU authorities will undoubtedly applaud and soon replicate them.

  140. @DCThrowback
    25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States.

    “25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States.”

    And the vast majority of them immigrate to just 5 states Florida, California, New York, Maryland, and Virginia.

  141. @silviosilver

    Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?
     
    A country called Germany, which you may have heard of.

    Its model is much closer to the Scandinavians' than it is to America's. Like Sweden, it not only has a significantly greater per capita GDP and significantly less income inequality than the more 'American'-model-leaning United Kingdom, it even has lower unemployment.

    My understanding is that France is similarly modeled, but that country has not fared as well over the last decade or so. Whether this is because the German model at some point diverged from the French, I don't know.

    This is evidence rather than conclusive proof, but it's more than what ideologues who claim that no way could such a model scale up bring to the table. (Like your second sentence, for example.)

    That would be a somewhat more convincing argument were Germany not next to Switzerland, besides which America looks socialist and Germany looks like a slum.

    Also, as smarter US conservatives have been pointing out for decades, apples to apples comparisons — Germans to German-Americans, Swedes to Swedish-Americans, Danes to Danish-Americans, etc — show that the hyphenated-Americans’ incomes are on the order of 30-50% higher, test scores and graduation rates are better, crime and unemployment are lower, life expectancy is just as high, and as a kicker, incomes are more equal too.

    • Replies: @Flip
    A Scandinavian economist once proudly said to free-market advocate Milton Friedman, "In Scandinavia we have no poverty." And Milton Friedman replied, "That's interesting, because in America among Scandinavians, we have no poverty, either."

    -P.J. O'Rourke, in Eat The Rich
    , @silviosilver

    That would be a somewhat more convincing argument were Germany not next to Switzerland, besides which America looks socialist and Germany looks like a slum.
     
    Switzerland does spend comparatively very little on welfare, but I don't see how that makes Germany look like a "slum." (Welfare is certainly available in Switzerland, but its heavily local and consultative model tends to create a lot of social pressure to avoid going on welfare.)

    The argument here is not about welfare per se, but about its claimed debilitating effects on economic growth. At first glance it may seem that Switzerland's example helps establish this relationship, since it is wealthier than Sweden and spends far less on welfare. However, Switzerland has been the wealthiest country in Europe for a very long time, so if Sweden has been catching up, it means its generous welfare spending hasn't proved an impediment to growth.

    According to the Maddison Project database (named after the late historical growth specialist Angus Maddison), as late as 1955, Switzerland's per capita GDP was twice that of Sweden; today, the difference is only on the order of some 30%. Since the 1950s, Sweden spent a far greater proportion of GDP on welfare compared to Sweden, yet it still grew at a faster rate than Switzerland from the 1950s to now. Clearly, then, high taxation and generous welfare is not necessarily destructive of a country's growth prospects.


    Also, as smarter US conservatives have been pointing out for decades, apples to apples comparisons
     
    By only comparing Sweden to other European countries, I implicitly acknowledged that these facts may not be of great relevance to the United States. And I'm sorry, but I fail to see how comparing a subset of a country (German-Americans) to the entire population of another (Germany) makes for an apples to apples comparison.
  142. @anonymouslee
    The millennial and younger alt right would burst into laughter at the idea we wouldn't want to be more like Denmark.


    Good God it's insane that "conservativism" was defined as worshipping corporate power.

    I assure you that kind of nonsense will get no traction with Generation 0: the first non-majority white American generation.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/census-minority-youth-over-take-whites-in-2020-50-under-18/article/2611227


    any white "conservative" arguing in favor of immigration, eg, will be laughed out of the room and put on a list of traitors.

    “The millennial and younger alt right would burst into laughter at the idea we wouldn’t want to be more like Denmark.”

    Are most Danish people Alt-Right? They come off as a bunch of SWPL Portlandia types to me.

    Denmark is hardly an Alt-Right paradise.

  143. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children, lives in a single-family house, and by his own account sticks to a tight affinity-network, a Bubble he calls it. His kids are home-schooled. In other words, Caplan lives in Belmont. Open Borders look great when your neighborhood has a $500K entrance fee. The cognitive and financial elites do not preach what they practice.

    Megan McArdle got called on this very quickly. She responded with a sermon on Twitter insisting that Americans will just have to double down and make Diversity work. Somehow.


    So, a number of people have reacted to my piece on Denmark by arguing that American trust and social cohesion are being destroyed by multiculturalism. I have some thoughts on that. (1/n)— (((Megan McArdle))) (@asymmetricinfo) February 23, 2018
     
    I'm guessing Megan's networks are as white, with a few high-g Asians, as Caplan's.

    Ideology stupefies.

    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children, lives in a single-family house, and by his own account sticks to a tight affinity-network, a Bubble he calls it.

    Bryan Caplan has four children, but otherwise I agree. I don’t see logical moral + philosophical reasons as to why exclusive “bubbles” are ok, families are ok, private property is ok, but nations are not.

    Ideology stupefies.

    Bryan Caplan isn’t stupid. That’s not the right word.

    Caplan literally argues that it is immoral for a nation to object to being conquered by other nations, hence it logically follows that he supports a non-violent conquest through mass immigration and demographic replacement. He also supports the idea that all laws are “draconian” and immoral, and immigration laws are just one example. These positions are so outrageous, I imagine they will do more damage to an open-borders cause, then help.

    Or consider his case against education. Caplan is making a public push for “separation of school and state”, which I imagine delights this crowd and horrifies the credentialed elites that are passionate about mass immigration to the US + Europe. He’s eager to gore everyone’s ox, no matter which side they are on.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Bryan Caplan has four children,

    Unless he wife is exceptional and had another baby in the last couple of years (she's 46), there are three, a son followed by twin sons.
    , @Art Deco
    These positions are so outrageous, I imagine they will do more damage to an open-borders cause, then help.

    I have a suspicion Dr. Caplan has an interesting psych file. Missing pieces upstairs.
  144. @snorlax
    That would be a somewhat more convincing argument were Germany not next to Switzerland, besides which America looks socialist and Germany looks like a slum.

    Also, as smarter US conservatives have been pointing out for decades, apples to apples comparisons — Germans to German-Americans, Swedes to Swedish-Americans, Danes to Danish-Americans, etc — show that the hyphenated-Americans’ incomes are on the order of 30-50% higher, test scores and graduation rates are better, crime and unemployment are lower, life expectancy is just as high, and as a kicker, incomes are more equal too.

    A Scandinavian economist once proudly said to free-market advocate Milton Friedman, “In Scandinavia we have no poverty.” And Milton Friedman replied, “That’s interesting, because in America among Scandinavians, we have no poverty, either.”

    -P.J. O’Rourke, in Eat The Rich

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    Yes, that's very funny, but the proper way to settle that question is to look at actual data. Just what is the economic condition of the poorest Scandinavian-Americans? Did Milton Friedman himself know or ever even care to find out, or was he more interested in scoring cheap points?
  145. @AndrewR
    Unless you're leaving something out, the only conclusion is that "your boy Zack" is a retard for attacking someone who had defended him. I hate Eichenwald but, if he defended me, I would either thank him or just ignore it, depending on context. If the creepiest person in the world defended me, I would probably just not say anything.

    If someone said "lol you have a child hentai lover defending you" (or whatever Eichenwald has been accused of - I really do not give the slightest damn about verifying any allegations I hear about him), I would say "if he really watches child hentai then that's nasty but that has absolutely nothing to do with the soundness of his argument, and it certainly doesn't justify what has been said to me."

    Sounds like this Zac dude just loves drama and stirs it up even when it's entirely unnecessary.

    If someone said “lol you have a child hentai lover defending you” (or whatever Eichenwald has been accused of – I really do not give the slightest damn about verifying any allegations I hear about him), I would say “if he really watches child hentai then that’s nasty but that has absolutely nothing to do with the soundness of his argument, and it certainly doesn’t justify what has been said to me.”

    Autistic troll gonna autist. Lefties never do understand rhetoric. Or moral force.

    Sounds like this Zac dude just loves drama and stirs it up even when it’s entirely unnecessary.

    ROFL. Oh man, our little closet troll autist is really stepping in it today. Next, he’s going to tell us Harvey Wenstein is a great respecter of women. Troll, you couldn’t be more wrong than if you’d announced Democrats are in favor of a tough border.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    As usual, you have no arguments but only projection.
  146. @silviosilver

    The point is that it wouldn’t have its current mix of welfare and government spending if it had to actually be much more independent.
     
    Why not? I know it's a conservative article of faith that high taxes and welfare are necessarily economically ruinous, but where's the actual evidence?

    As far as I can tell, there isn't any such evidence; all the arguments are based on conjecture derived from theoretical economics. That's why I was once a convinced little libertardian demanding lower taxes and the abolition of welfare - because that's what textbook economics (and libertarian ideologues) seemed to suggest was necessary.

    Eventually, the cognitive dissonance created by the difference between real-world, empirical evidence and theorized economic outcomes became too much for me and I began to curse the day I ever heard of Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard.

    ROFL.

    1. Welfare states in Europe lapped up the free border defense America provided.

    2. America led the way on medical innovation in the last 80+ years while everyone else was busy making people wait 9 months for routine surgery.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    1. Welfare states in Europe lapped up the free border defense America provided.
     
    According to my calculations, this actually made rather little difference. Perhaps my reasoning is mistaken, so I'll outline it here, and if someone spots an error he can let me know.

    The argument is that Europe was able to get away with its generous social spending because Americans footed the bill for Europe's defense. Of course, European defense spending was not zero over this time period, so the real question is how much more Europe should have had to pay to make the burden of defense spending more equitable.

    Let's assume that the combined amount of defense spending of America and Europe from 1946-1990 was in fact the amount necessary to keep Europe safe. Since Europe was, in fact, kept safe, we can safely regard this as the maximum possible amount necessary to that task. (In reality, the true amount would have been somewhat less since, as historians have shown, conservatives over those years inaccurately assessed the level of risk posed by the Soviets - they in fact grossly exaggerated it, although this is a forgivable error.)

    If we take the combined total of defense spending of America and Europe every year from 1946-1990, the 'fair' European share of the burden would have been some proportion of that figure. Clearly, that proportion would have to be less than 100%, but how much lower? The actual European proportion of this total average about 30% over those years, so 30% is a baseline. (Data sources on defense spending over these years are inconsistent, but we are interested in ball park estimates.) Well, if America was spending money on defense where it was needed in those years - Europe - because that was considered vital to American security, then perhaps a proportion as high as 67% would be appropriate for Europeans to have been paying.

    What would have happened to European welfare had Europeans had to foot the 67% of the bill for combined American and European defense (rather than the 30% they actually paid)? Well, my logic is that funds spent on defense were funds unavailable for welfare. Therefore, the difference between what Europe actually paid for defense in a given year and what Europe should have paid should be subtracted from the amount Europe paid for welfare in that year. Eg, if Europe spent 15% of GDP on welfare in a given year, but the difference between actual defense spending and necessary defense spending was 5% of GDP, then Europe would only have been able to spend 15%-5%=10% of GDP on welfare in that year.

    I don't have data for every year of European welfare spending over that time period, however, a reasonable estimate is that social spending grew from about 10% of GDP in 1946 to about 25%. (Perhaps that initial figure could be adjusted down and the latter adjusted up, but it doesn't make much difference.)

    Running the calculations through a spreadsheet, then, reveals that if Europe had to pay for 67% of the shared defense budget with America, social spending would have grown from about 0.5% of GDP in 1946 to about 23% in 1990. By 1975, when the European social model can quite safely be assumed to have been implemented, European social spending would have been about 16.5% of GDP rather than the 20% it actually was - still a fairly impressive achievement.

    Of course, in reality, no one would have thought it fair for Europe to have to pay 67% of the shared burden, so if this proportion is reduced to a more realistic 50%, the above performance looks even more impressive.

    To sum up, the argument that Europe could only afford generous welfare because America paid for its defense doesn't hold water.

    2. America led the way on medical innovation in the last 80+ years while everyone else was busy making people wait 9 months for routine surgery.
     
    I'm not sure I understand what relevance this point has to the argument about welfare vs economic growth.
    , @Anonymous
    I still don't understand why US forces never completely evacuated from Europe after the Soviet Union collapsed.
  147. Denmark does taxes the opposite of the way we do. Imagine if :

    1. US Fed receive 15% of the total taxes
    2. States received 35% of total taxex
    3.Your local town/county received 50%.

    You think there might be some change in the way things are done. This is how Denmark works.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    I guess this makes sense if you don't have a large national military and the responsibility to protect the rest of the world.
  148. @DCThrowback
    25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States.

    25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States.

    The correct solution is treat El Salvador as a failed state, and annex it’s land and physical resources into the US.

    Don’t use elections to determine government + policy; use the more meaningful votes when people vote with their feet. Nations and modes of governance that people are desperate to flee from should be replaced by the nations and modes of governance that people are desperate to join.

  149. @Anonymous
    The Falkland would be part of Argentina without the UK. The Falklands would look a lot different if it actually had to defend its independence. It wouldn't look like a sleepy Scottish hamlet.

    The Falkland would be part of Argentina without the UK.

    But that doesn’t take away from the fact the Falklanders have recreated Scotland at the tip of South America. Maybe if Iceland were located in the same location, it might succumb to Argentina too.

    The Falklands would look a lot different if it actually had to defend its independence.

    Why? Iceland doesn’t have to defend its independence. It doesn’t have a standing army and relies on its membership in NATO to ensure its sovereignty. Yet Iceland is a great place from what I hear. Other European nations like Denmark don’t really defend their independence. They have relied upon the US being in Europe for decades to provide the brunt of their defense. Yet Denmark is a paradise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The only possible militaristic threat to Denmark is from Germany.
    Judging by the current political scene, this is unlikely to materialize.

    Russia never has and never had any interest in Denmark.
  150. @Sarah Toga
    How's their haggis?

    How’s their haggis?

    I don’t think you could force me to try it!

  151. Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?

    The cost of building a force sufficient to deter communist expansion without the United States would have rendered the Scandinavian welfare state untenable.

    You know, I really don’t mind things that are limited to a small scale? In fact, I kinda like them. We could carve the USA up into Denmark-sized countries and give their way a go.

    ‘Course the necessary shedding of diversity would be worth it to me, regardless of how the economics worked out…

    • Replies: @Miro23

    You know, I really don’t mind things that are limited to a small scale? In fact, I kinda like them. We could carve the USA up into Denmark-sized countries and give their way a go.

    ‘Course the necessary shedding of diversity would be worth it to me, regardless of how the economics worked out…
     
    Do this, and a lot of stresses would be taken out of the system. Return tax and spending power to the state level for example, then, in the new American Confederation:

    - The MIC and the other special interests starve.
    - Washington becomes a talking shop with no real power.
    - No funding/votes for ME wars
    - Citizens are locally responsible for their education, healthcare, policing, justice system etc. and have to wake up/contribute.
    - Citizens know their local politicians and can hold them responsible.
    - California can be California and Texas can be Texas, respecting each other's differing viewpoints.
    , @Miro23

    You know, I really don’t mind things that are limited to a small scale? In fact, I kinda like them. We could carve the USA up into Denmark-sized countries and give their way a go.

    ‘Course the necessary shedding of diversity would be worth it to me, regardless of how the economics worked out…
     
    Do this, and a lot of stresses would be taken out of the system. Return tax and spending power to the state level for example, then, in the new American Confederation:

    - The MIC and the other special interests starve.

    - Washington becomes a talking shop with no real power.

    - No funding/votes for ME wars

    - Citizens are locally responsible for their education, healthcare, policing, justice system etc. and have to wake up/contribute.

    - Citizens know their local politicians and can hold them responsible.

    - California can be California and Texas can be Texas, respecting each other's differing viewpoints.
  152. @Massimo Heitor

    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children, lives in a single-family house, and by his own account sticks to a tight affinity-network, a Bubble he calls it.
     
    Bryan Caplan has four children, but otherwise I agree. I don't see logical moral + philosophical reasons as to why exclusive "bubbles" are ok, families are ok, private property is ok, but nations are not.

    Ideology stupefies.

     

    Bryan Caplan isn't stupid. That's not the right word.

    Caplan literally argues that it is immoral for a nation to object to being conquered by other nations, hence it logically follows that he supports a non-violent conquest through mass immigration and demographic replacement. He also supports the idea that all laws are "draconian" and immoral, and immigration laws are just one example. These positions are so outrageous, I imagine they will do more damage to an open-borders cause, then help.

    Or consider his case against education. Caplan is making a public push for "separation of school and state", which I imagine delights this crowd and horrifies the credentialed elites that are passionate about mass immigration to the US + Europe. He's eager to gore everyone's ox, no matter which side they are on.

    Bryan Caplan has four children,

    Unless he wife is exceptional and had another baby in the last couple of years (she’s 46), there are three, a son followed by twin sons.

  153. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children, lives in a single-family house, and by his own account sticks to a tight affinity-network, a Bubble he calls it. His kids are home-schooled. In other words, Caplan lives in Belmont. Open Borders look great when your neighborhood has a $500K entrance fee. The cognitive and financial elites do not preach what they practice.

    Megan McArdle got called on this very quickly. She responded with a sermon on Twitter insisting that Americans will just have to double down and make Diversity work. Somehow.


    So, a number of people have reacted to my piece on Denmark by arguing that American trust and social cohesion are being destroyed by multiculturalism. I have some thoughts on that. (1/n)— (((Megan McArdle))) (@asymmetricinfo) February 23, 2018
     
    I'm guessing Megan's networks are as white, with a few high-g Asians, as Caplan's.

    Ideology stupefies.

    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children,

    His wife is Roumanian and the children look like she produced them through parthenogenesis. Nothing like their father at all and quite swarthy.

  154. @Massimo Heitor

    Libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has three very white children, lives in a single-family house, and by his own account sticks to a tight affinity-network, a Bubble he calls it.
     
    Bryan Caplan has four children, but otherwise I agree. I don't see logical moral + philosophical reasons as to why exclusive "bubbles" are ok, families are ok, private property is ok, but nations are not.

    Ideology stupefies.

     

    Bryan Caplan isn't stupid. That's not the right word.

    Caplan literally argues that it is immoral for a nation to object to being conquered by other nations, hence it logically follows that he supports a non-violent conquest through mass immigration and demographic replacement. He also supports the idea that all laws are "draconian" and immoral, and immigration laws are just one example. These positions are so outrageous, I imagine they will do more damage to an open-borders cause, then help.

    Or consider his case against education. Caplan is making a public push for "separation of school and state", which I imagine delights this crowd and horrifies the credentialed elites that are passionate about mass immigration to the US + Europe. He's eager to gore everyone's ox, no matter which side they are on.

    These positions are so outrageous, I imagine they will do more damage to an open-borders cause, then help.

    I have a suspicion Dr. Caplan has an interesting psych file. Missing pieces upstairs.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Sustained higher levels of first-cousin reproduction over the centuries can do that.

    I remember reading that some populations in the world were especially characterized by such practices, i.e., inbreeding.

    I can't remember which populations right now, so I'm not sure if that might provide a plausible part of the answer for any condition afflicting Mr. Caplan. I wouldn't want to insult or offend him, either.
  155. @sbarrkum
    Europe was overpopulated, crime ridden a couple of hundred years ago.
    Read Dickens or Thomas Hardy.
    Sweden had half its population emigrate to the US.

    They exported their overpopulation to Asia, Africa and the Americas
    (think Opium Wars and FDR's maternal grandfather).
    And imported the natural resources back to Europe.

    Now the wheel has turned.
    Africa and Asia are exporting their over population to Europe and North America.

    Ultimately the poor and hungry (or Barbarians win).
    Think Rome and the Huns/Goths etc.

    Later Europeans vs Indians/Chinese



    https://voxeu.org/article/wars-plagues-and-europe-s-rise-riches
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_emigration_to_the_United_States

    “Europe was overpopulated, crime ridden a couple of hundred years ago.”

    No, two hundred years ago (1818) European population growth was only just taking off. But it’s much greater now than in say 1900.

    I can only think of one European country whose population is less than the 1850 population – Ireland, which had a catastrophic famine.

    It wasn’t crime-ridden compared with today. You think there’s less crime in London now than in Dickens’ time? There are gangs in London now throwing acid in people’s faces to steal their moped, not stealing silk hankies from pockets.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    It wasn’t crime-ridden compared with today. You think there’s less crime in London now than in Dickens’ time? There are gangs in London now throwing acid in people’s faces to steal their moped, not stealing silk hankies from pockets.
     
    I don't see how you could seriously claim to know that. I think you are just guessing that more non-white = more criminal compared to any period in history. (Or perhaps also, less conservative = more criminal.) I don't see how any serious thinker could put in any stock in such impressionistic reasoning, especially not when it's contradicted by available data.
  156. @whorefinder


    If someone said “lol you have a child hentai lover defending you” (or whatever Eichenwald has been accused of – I really do not give the slightest damn about verifying any allegations I hear about him), I would say “if he really watches child hentai then that’s nasty but that has absolutely nothing to do with the soundness of his argument, and it certainly doesn’t justify what has been said to me."
     


    Autistic troll gonna autist. Lefties never do understand rhetoric. Or moral force.

    Sounds like this Zac dude just loves drama and stirs it up even when it’s entirely unnecessary.
     
    ROFL. Oh man, our little closet troll autist is really stepping in it today. Next, he's going to tell us Harvey Wenstein is a great respecter of women. Troll, you couldn't be more wrong than if you'd announced Democrats are in favor of a tough border.

    As usual, you have no arguments but only projection.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    rofl. your projection is showing, little argument-less, autistic troll.
  157. @syonredux

    And so, a curmudgeon might note, does the homogeneity of the people you see around you. Although roughly 10 percent of the population consists of immigrants, in the downtown at least, the crowds look strikingly white and blond.

    All this is apt to make conservatives roll their eyes.
     
    Not this conservative....

    I know Denmark and the Danes fairly well, and have to say that, although they are indubitably white, they are not, generally, particularly blond. The Dutch and the Poles (!) are quite a bit blonder.

    I think McMerkel was making it up to alert her readership as to what sort of reaction was expected of them.

  158. @whorefinder
    OT: The increasingly unhinged Vanity Fair editor Kurt Eichenwald is threatening to sue a YouTube videoblogger because the YouTuber said Eichenwald was a werido and that the YouTuber wouldn't want Eichenwald babysitting his daughter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT33nTHW1VQ

    Backstory:

    The YouTuber named his channel Diversity & Comics (D&C), and his channel is basically him making fun of the SJW-infestation in comics and pointing out how awful the SJW-made comics are. D&C's a pretty laid back guy, but the SJWs in comics are furious at him because he's ripped them apart quite convincingly, as D&C is a big comic fan with a lot of knowledge.

    The SJWs have made some open threats against D&C and wished D&C was dead. Eichenwald (who has nothing to do with comics) noticed this and called out the SJWs for it. D&C heard about this, and looked up Eichenwald's backstory, including Eichenwald's child porn purchases and hentai obsession, and concluded that Eichenwald was a weird and D&C wouldn't be comfortable with Eichenwald being around D&C's daughter.

    Eichenwald got upset that D&C said this, and sent D&C a threatening email that said that if D&C didn't give the "correct" opinion fo Eichenwald, Eichenwald would sue him---and Eichenwald threatened D&C that if D&C told people about the threat, Eichenwald would sue. D&C called his bluff and put out a video where he displayed the email in detail and read it aloud. So Eichenwald is now claiming he's going to sue because it's "libel" to have a bad opinion on Eichenwald based on facts.

    Eichenwald, in short, is absolutely losing it.

    You guys might remember Eichenwald as the guy who had the complete bizarre meltdown on Tucker Carlson. This wasn't the typical "Host trips up guest with questions", this was "Guest acts in insanely crazy way while Host at first thinks he's joking and then Host slowly realizes Guest has serious mental problems": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ophbx1iaF8

    I stopped reading comics a couple of decades ago but I’m a really big fan of D&C. He didn’t attack Eichenwald for defending him. When he found out that a pretty well known journalist who didn’t know anything about comics defended him in a Tweet he decided to do a video of it entitled “Left-Wing Journalist SHOCKED By The Violent Extremism Of SJW Comic Book Pros.” The contents of the video included screen shots of Eichenwald’s original Tweet as well as screenshots of the enraged SJW’s responses. Some of these responses mentioned Eichenwald’s skeevy sex allegations and D&C made of few asides in the line of “Admittedly, I wouldn’t want this guy watching my kid…he seems kinda grimey.” Zach (real name Richard Meyer) has really put his butt on the line making these very intelligent (and very funny) videos calling out the radical leftist idealouges that are ruining the comics industry. He’s making an impact too.

    • Agree: whorefinder
  159. @GamecockJerry
    Denmark does taxes the opposite of the way we do. Imagine if :

    1. US Fed receive 15% of the total taxes
    2. States received 35% of total taxex
    3.Your local town/county received 50%.

    You think there might be some change in the way things are done. This is how Denmark works.

    I guess this makes sense if you don’t have a large national military and the responsibility to protect the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    I don't know a country with the responsibility to protect the rest of the world.

    But I'll agree that Danes and Europeans generally underestimate the need to have a strong military defense -- to deter China and increasingly-Islamist aspiring regional powers such as Turkey -- and aren't willing to pay for it.
  160. @Anon7
    Bingo! Was wondering if someone in this thread would bring it up. I'm a Dane on my father's side, they came to the US in 1874 with that same big group, but to the midwest. According to Wikipedia, Sanpete County, Utah was essentially settled by Danes.

    I'm a little bit surprised that Denmark provides lots of generous benefits and pensions, because all of the Danes in my family are cheap, cheap, cheap - but that's because no one is going to take care of you but you. We take care of our own and are probably seen as a bit standoffish to outsiders. Friendly, but not really welcoming. I'm not surprised that Denmark has been resistant to the Invite the World ploy.

    So glad to hear it.

    But Danes still don’t have nearly enough to replace themselves, right? So, even a very small cohort of non-European immigrants with a replacement-level TFR will inexorably become a larger share of the national population.

    If that small cohort of non-European immigrants can maintain a TFR even slightly above replacement — i.e., if it can grow its net number through natural increase — the immigrants will become a larger share of the population FASTER.

    As with every other white country of which I’m aware, then, Denmark on current trends will be a substantially non-white country within the lifetime of young readers here.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "But Danes still don’t have nearly enough to replace themselves, right? So, even a very small cohort of non-European immigrants with a replacement-level TFR will inexorably become a larger share of the national population."

    Replacement-level TFR is NOT the end all and be all in life. Your fixation on it is exactly like an SJW who is wrapped up in their particular cause.
  161. @Altai
    Also a reminder that Copenhagen has the most homogeneous population in Western Europe (Over 80% Danish, let alone white) and that is entirely down to the Danish Peoples Party being able to influence policy just in time since the late 90s/early 2000s.

    It's really nice and strangely surreal to be in a major Western city and only see natives.

    Additionally Denmark has lots of laws that are functionally hostile to foreigners such as higher mortgage rates given to non-citizens (Indian shopkeepers the world over use cheap Indian bank loans to establish themselves) and certain types of holiday homes being unlawful for foreigners to own. (In total violation of EU law.) Other things too like certain qualification standards being weirdly different to the rest of Europe keeps out foreign tradesmen and skilled manual labour from operating

    If the Danes maintain that state of affairs against the massive EU / US / UN pressure to open the floodgates to non-European colonists, it sounds like a great vacation destination for our family someday.

    We do need a few cities to take the place of London, Paris, Stockholm, Rome, Berlin, Vienna, and Amsterdam on our list. We’re not big on Sharia Tours as a way of spending our hard-earned money and our free time.

    Let’s see, maybe Poland, Belarus, Russia and … Copenhagen? For now, at least. Good luck and God Bless the Danes. HAVE MORE CHILDREN!

  162. @Altai
    This is interesting news from Denmark. Crimes committed in certain areas with high poverty (Read: Immigrant ghettos) will be punished more severely.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20180226/danish-government-wants-double-punishments-for-crimes-in-underprivileged-areas

    Vandalism, theft and threatening behaviour will be punished more severely in areas defined as 'special punishment zones', according to a new plan to be set out by the Danish government.

    Double punishments for certain types of offence committed in underprivileged areas defined as 'ghettos' will form part of a programme of measures aimed at the marginalised zones, Justice Minister Søren Pape Poulsen told newspaper Berlingske.
     

    Be interesting to see the effects of this and the political debate to come from it.

    Imagine if we tried this in the USA.

  163. @DCThrowback
    25% of the population of El Salvador currently lives in the United States.

    There must be a similarly horrifying ratio for Puerto Ricans, probably worse.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    Puerto Ricans are Americans.
  164. @Art Deco
    These positions are so outrageous, I imagine they will do more damage to an open-borders cause, then help.

    I have a suspicion Dr. Caplan has an interesting psych file. Missing pieces upstairs.

    Sustained higher levels of first-cousin reproduction over the centuries can do that.

    I remember reading that some populations in the world were especially characterized by such practices, i.e., inbreeding.

    I can’t remember which populations right now, so I’m not sure if that might provide a plausible part of the answer for any condition afflicting Mr. Caplan. I wouldn’t want to insult or offend him, either.

  165. @Charles Pewitt
    The US and NATO are the same thing.

    What patriots need to do is to get the American Empire to act more like a republic that is responsive to the civilization that created it. NATO should be terminated as it exists only to further destroy European Christendom and national sovereignty. The European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization must be pushed off a cliff.

    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire is using its control of the US government and the US military to financialize, globalize and multiculturalize every nation under its sway.

    I love those beautiful Danish butter cookies. Pernille Vermund is one of the sweetest.

    Maybe replace NATO with a partnership including all its current members,
    MINUS Turkey,
    PLUS Russia and Belarus.

    Any alliance that includes Turkey or any other Muslim country is unrealistic and unreliable in the end.

  166. @Altai
    The Danish Peoples Party was successful in the 90s, that's all. Every other party in Denmark would have engaged in exactly the sort of actions as the rest of Europe otherwise it's influence. That they came in just in time to attenuate the flow in the late 90s and early 2000s was the key.

    Thank God!

    Where’s our People’s Party here in the USA? Because President Trump ain’t it, and the GOP without / after him sure doesn’t look like it either.

  167. @stillCARealist
    I guess this makes sense if you don't have a large national military and the responsibility to protect the rest of the world.

    I don’t know a country with the responsibility to protect the rest of the world.

    But I’ll agree that Danes and Europeans generally underestimate the need to have a strong military defense — to deter China and increasingly-Islamist aspiring regional powers such as Turkey — and aren’t willing to pay for it.

  168. @AndrewR
    As usual, you have no arguments but only projection.

    rofl. your projection is showing, little argument-less, autistic troll.

  169. @whorefinder
    OT: The increasingly unhinged Vanity Fair editor Kurt Eichenwald is threatening to sue a YouTube videoblogger because the YouTuber said Eichenwald was a werido and that the YouTuber wouldn't want Eichenwald babysitting his daughter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT33nTHW1VQ

    Backstory:

    The YouTuber named his channel Diversity & Comics (D&C), and his channel is basically him making fun of the SJW-infestation in comics and pointing out how awful the SJW-made comics are. D&C's a pretty laid back guy, but the SJWs in comics are furious at him because he's ripped them apart quite convincingly, as D&C is a big comic fan with a lot of knowledge.

    The SJWs have made some open threats against D&C and wished D&C was dead. Eichenwald (who has nothing to do with comics) noticed this and called out the SJWs for it. D&C heard about this, and looked up Eichenwald's backstory, including Eichenwald's child porn purchases and hentai obsession, and concluded that Eichenwald was a weird and D&C wouldn't be comfortable with Eichenwald being around D&C's daughter.

    Eichenwald got upset that D&C said this, and sent D&C a threatening email that said that if D&C didn't give the "correct" opinion fo Eichenwald, Eichenwald would sue him---and Eichenwald threatened D&C that if D&C told people about the threat, Eichenwald would sue. D&C called his bluff and put out a video where he displayed the email in detail and read it aloud. So Eichenwald is now claiming he's going to sue because it's "libel" to have a bad opinion on Eichenwald based on facts.

    Eichenwald, in short, is absolutely losing it.

    You guys might remember Eichenwald as the guy who had the complete bizarre meltdown on Tucker Carlson. This wasn't the typical "Host trips up guest with questions", this was "Guest acts in insanely crazy way while Host at first thinks he's joking and then Host slowly realizes Guest has serious mental problems": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ophbx1iaF8

    Eichenwald is also a major illustration of Chosen Privilege since he can make up plainly fictitious stories about medical trauma and being other people, and be taken completely seriously in court, to the extent of doxing and imprisoning an online heckler. After a critic calling himself “Jew Goldstein” sent Eichenwald an animated gif with a strobing effect (which would have to be deliverately activated by Eichenwald in order to play), Eichenwald claimed to have suffered a seizure, then claimed to be his wife announcing to the world that he\she was calling the police, then found and sued “Goldstein,” who went to jail for daring to criticize his betters.
    The major thing I know about Eichenwald for (besides pseudo-advocacy pedophilia and being a vindictive stasi three-incher) is the Matt Damon film The Informant, which depends heavily on Eichenwald’s journalism. Buried in the freakshow mockery of a successful executive with a bizarre personality disorder is a totally unimportant minor little thing about an unaccountable agribusiness giant lying about genetically modified food. So the nicest thing you can say about this enthusiast of Italianate flatbread is that he lives to do hit pieces on nonthreatening people. We can only pray his Schnoppy’s delivery is on time.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    This article in New York magazine strongly implies (among other things) that his alleged epilepsy is psychosomatic and/or malingering. http://nymag.com/guides/money/2007/39957/#print
  170. @Anonymous
    Ultimately, Denmark cannot remain in the EU - and limit third world immigration. For example, in just a few years' time, the hundreds of thousands of invaders currently sequestered in Greece and Italy will have the full 'right' to enter Denmark and partake of the Danish way of life. Similarly, the millions of third world origin people in France, Germany, Sweden etc potentially have the full 'right' to move in on Denmark if the economies of those nations tank, due, not least, to the immigrants themselves.
    Without limiting third world immigration it cannot maintain its welfare state - the math makes it impossible.
    At some point in the future, Denmark must choose between the EU and citizens' living standards.

    IIRC, Denmark used to have restrictions on EU immigration. I don’t know if that’s still the case. It was one of the conditions Denmark demanded for agreeing to the 1992 Maastricht treaty.

  171. @Almost Missouri
    The US, the "larger polity" that Denmark is "free riding" on, used to have high social mobility, low inequality, high social trust and national happiness, just like Denmark today.

    Then something changed.

    What was it ... what was it ... hmmmm ....

    “The US, the “larger polity” that Denmark is “free riding” on, used to have high social mobility, low inequality, high social trust and national happiness, just like Denmark today.”

    That is exactly what the English said before the non-English invaded the Thirteen Colonies. Unless you are able to trace yourself directly to the motherland–England–you have to go back.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Your comment doesn't make sense.

    "The US, the 'larger polity' that Denmark is 'free riding' on, used to have high social mobility, low inequality, high social trust and national happiness, just like Denmark today."
     
    This is "exactly" what the English said before the non-English invaded the Thirteen colonies???

    If you've got any logic or cites, go ahead and try again, but your reputation for bad faith argument precedes you, so I may not bother answering.
  172. @RadicalCenter
    So glad to hear it.

    But Danes still don't have nearly enough to replace themselves, right? So, even a very small cohort of non-European immigrants with a replacement-level TFR will inexorably become a larger share of the national population.

    If that small cohort of non-European immigrants can maintain a TFR even slightly above replacement -- i.e., if it can grow its net number through natural increase -- the immigrants will become a larger share of the population FASTER.

    As with every other white country of which I'm aware, then, Denmark on current trends will be a substantially non-white country within the lifetime of young readers here.

    “But Danes still don’t have nearly enough to replace themselves, right? So, even a very small cohort of non-European immigrants with a replacement-level TFR will inexorably become a larger share of the national population.”

    Replacement-level TFR is NOT the end all and be all in life. Your fixation on it is exactly like an SJW who is wrapped up in their particular cause.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    Replacement-level TFR is NOT the end all and be all in life.
     
    Not in any given time period, it isn't. But ultimately, it really is of life-and-death importance, since any group (including the broad human group) that fails to replace itself over a long enough period of time will eventually perish.

    And of course, something doesn't have to be the "end all and be all" to be considered worthy of urgent attention.
  173. @J.Ross
    Eichenwald is also a major illustration of Chosen Privilege since he can make up plainly fictitious stories about medical trauma and being other people, and be taken completely seriously in court, to the extent of doxing and imprisoning an online heckler. After a critic calling himself "Jew Goldstein" sent Eichenwald an animated gif with a strobing effect (which would have to be deliverately activated by Eichenwald in order to play), Eichenwald claimed to have suffered a seizure, then claimed to be his wife announcing to the world that he\she was calling the police, then found and sued "Goldstein," who went to jail for daring to criticize his betters.
    The major thing I know about Eichenwald for (besides pseudo-advocacy pedophilia and being a vindictive stasi three-incher) is the Matt Damon film The Informant, which depends heavily on Eichenwald's journalism. Buried in the freakshow mockery of a successful executive with a bizarre personality disorder is a totally unimportant minor little thing about an unaccountable agribusiness giant lying about genetically modified food. So the nicest thing you can say about this enthusiast of Italianate flatbread is that he lives to do hit pieces on nonthreatening people. We can only pray his Schnoppy's delivery is on time.

    This article in New York magazine strongly implies (among other things) that his alleged epilepsy is psychosomatic and/or malingering. http://nymag.com/guides/money/2007/39957/#print

  174. It’s worth noting that the state with the highest percentage of danish ancestry is Utah. Yeah, I was surprised too and I’m half Danish.

    Apparently the Mormons were very successful at recruiting Danes around 1850.

    Though it’s a bit telling that while many Danes have brought up Minnesota to me over the years, they never mentioned Utah. I guess they consider those Danes the screw up cousins no one talks about.

  175. @YetAnotherAnon
    The ONLY good thing about the pozzing of Ireland and the decline of Catholicism is that it makes homicidal nationalism somewhat less likely at a time when the status of the Irish border is a major headache for Brexit - in that the losing side in the referendum are saying (hoping?) that the IRA will intervene if there's a meaningful border between Eire and the UK.

    England was a (relatively) tough nut for the globalists to crack - sixty years of cultural revolution and mass immigration, and there's STILL resistance, as Brexit shows.

    Ireland underwent the same changes in thirty-odd years - there were very few immigrants there thirty years ago, and it was still a very Catholic (and nationalist) place.

    Dumb question: was there any reason the Irish grew nothing but potatoes, and only one variety at that?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Huge number of calories.
    , @Anonymous
    Ireland had rapid population growth in the 18th and 19th century, and consequently gained a high population density.
    The Irish climate is rather harsh, and not really amenable to arable agriculture. One crop which thrives under the Irish sky, however is the potato, which has the added bonus of high yields per acre, and ease of growing and preparation. For the majority of Irish in the 18th to 19th centuries, there was hardly s cash economy. Families survived on what they grew, and little else.
    Hence, the poor of that island became totally dependent on one crop, the potato - with disastrous consequences.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Potatoes notoriously yield one of the highest caloric rates per acre. Plus they happen to do pretty well in Ireland's climate and soil. So the nineteenth century Irish were kind of painted into a corner, or to use a different metaphor, out on a limb. The high population density with little foreign trade meant they had to have high caloric yields per acre. The potato was pretty much the only option at that point.

    Unfortunately, potatoes do not grow from seeds as do grains: wheat, oats, rye, etc. Instead a potato is cut up and the pieces planted to make new potato plants, sort of like a starfish. So genetically, all the plants of a particular variety are really one plant: clones as it were. Thus when disease strikes, it strikes hard because it only has to overcome one immune system.

    As I say, they were out on a limb. Then it cracked...

    Had they been relying on wheat or rye instead, perhaps famine would have come earlier because they couldn't have reached the same caloric yields per acre. On the other hand, the population would have peaked earlier so the demographic tower being less tall wouldn't have fallen so hard. Also, crop blight would probably have been less severe on a crop less genetically monolithic.
  176. @snorlax
    That would be a somewhat more convincing argument were Germany not next to Switzerland, besides which America looks socialist and Germany looks like a slum.

    Also, as smarter US conservatives have been pointing out for decades, apples to apples comparisons — Germans to German-Americans, Swedes to Swedish-Americans, Danes to Danish-Americans, etc — show that the hyphenated-Americans’ incomes are on the order of 30-50% higher, test scores and graduation rates are better, crime and unemployment are lower, life expectancy is just as high, and as a kicker, incomes are more equal too.

    That would be a somewhat more convincing argument were Germany not next to Switzerland, besides which America looks socialist and Germany looks like a slum.

    Switzerland does spend comparatively very little on welfare, but I don’t see how that makes Germany look like a “slum.” (Welfare is certainly available in Switzerland, but its heavily local and consultative model tends to create a lot of social pressure to avoid going on welfare.)

    The argument here is not about welfare per se, but about its claimed debilitating effects on economic growth. At first glance it may seem that Switzerland’s example helps establish this relationship, since it is wealthier than Sweden and spends far less on welfare. However, Switzerland has been the wealthiest country in Europe for a very long time, so if Sweden has been catching up, it means its generous welfare spending hasn’t proved an impediment to growth.

    According to the Maddison Project database (named after the late historical growth specialist Angus Maddison), as late as 1955, Switzerland’s per capita GDP was twice that of Sweden; today, the difference is only on the order of some 30%. Since the 1950s, Sweden spent a far greater proportion of GDP on welfare compared to Sweden, yet it still grew at a faster rate than Switzerland from the 1950s to now. Clearly, then, high taxation and generous welfare is not necessarily destructive of a country’s growth prospects.

    Also, as smarter US conservatives have been pointing out for decades, apples to apples comparisons

    By only comparing Sweden to other European countries, I implicitly acknowledged that these facts may not be of great relevance to the United States. And I’m sorry, but I fail to see how comparing a subset of a country (German-Americans) to the entire population of another (Germany) makes for an apples to apples comparison.

  177. @Flip
    A Scandinavian economist once proudly said to free-market advocate Milton Friedman, "In Scandinavia we have no poverty." And Milton Friedman replied, "That's interesting, because in America among Scandinavians, we have no poverty, either."

    -P.J. O'Rourke, in Eat The Rich

    Yes, that’s very funny, but the proper way to settle that question is to look at actual data. Just what is the economic condition of the poorest Scandinavian-Americans? Did Milton Friedman himself know or ever even care to find out, or was he more interested in scoring cheap points?

  178. @Anonymous
    Dumb question: was there any reason the Irish grew nothing but potatoes, and only one variety at that?

    Huge number of calories.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    That can't be right, since a pound of potatoes has vastly fewer calories than a pound of wheat. It would have to be calories per acre, if potatoes could be so much more densely planted than wheat. Apparently this is what happened, since the Irish found they could satisfy caloric requirements through potatoes, and still have enough land left to plant other crops which they could then sell for cash.
  179. @whorefinder
    ROFL.

    1. Welfare states in Europe lapped up the free border defense America provided.

    2. America led the way on medical innovation in the last 80+ years while everyone else was busy making people wait 9 months for routine surgery.

    1. Welfare states in Europe lapped up the free border defense America provided.

    According to my calculations, this actually made rather little difference. Perhaps my reasoning is mistaken, so I’ll outline it here, and if someone spots an error he can let me know.

    The argument is that Europe was able to get away with its generous social spending because Americans footed the bill for Europe’s defense. Of course, European defense spending was not zero over this time period, so the real question is how much more Europe should have had to pay to make the burden of defense spending more equitable.

    Let’s assume that the combined amount of defense spending of America and Europe from 1946-1990 was in fact the amount necessary to keep Europe safe. Since Europe was, in fact, kept safe, we can safely regard this as the maximum possible amount necessary to that task. (In reality, the true amount would have been somewhat less since, as historians have shown, conservatives over those years inaccurately assessed the level of risk posed by the Soviets – they in fact grossly exaggerated it, although this is a forgivable error.)

    If we take the combined total of defense spending of America and Europe every year from 1946-1990, the ‘fair’ European share of the burden would have been some proportion of that figure. Clearly, that proportion would have to be less than 100%, but how much lower? The actual European proportion of this total average about 30% over those years, so 30% is a baseline. (Data sources on defense spending over these years are inconsistent, but we are interested in ball park estimates.) Well, if America was spending money on defense where it was needed in those years – Europe – because that was considered vital to American security, then perhaps a proportion as high as 67% would be appropriate for Europeans to have been paying.

    What would have happened to European welfare had Europeans had to foot the 67% of the bill for combined American and European defense (rather than the 30% they actually paid)? Well, my logic is that funds spent on defense were funds unavailable for welfare. Therefore, the difference between what Europe actually paid for defense in a given year and what Europe should have paid should be subtracted from the amount Europe paid for welfare in that year. Eg, if Europe spent 15% of GDP on welfare in a given year, but the difference between actual defense spending and necessary defense spending was 5% of GDP, then Europe would only have been able to spend 15%-5%=10% of GDP on welfare in that year.

    I don’t have data for every year of European welfare spending over that time period, however, a reasonable estimate is that social spending grew from about 10% of GDP in 1946 to about 25%. (Perhaps that initial figure could be adjusted down and the latter adjusted up, but it doesn’t make much difference.)

    Running the calculations through a spreadsheet, then, reveals that if Europe had to pay for 67% of the shared defense budget with America, social spending would have grown from about 0.5% of GDP in 1946 to about 23% in 1990. By 1975, when the European social model can quite safely be assumed to have been implemented, European social spending would have been about 16.5% of GDP rather than the 20% it actually was – still a fairly impressive achievement.

    Of course, in reality, no one would have thought it fair for Europe to have to pay 67% of the shared burden, so if this proportion is reduced to a more realistic 50%, the above performance looks even more impressive.

    To sum up, the argument that Europe could only afford generous welfare because America paid for its defense doesn’t hold water.

    2. America led the way on medical innovation in the last 80+ years while everyone else was busy making people wait 9 months for routine surgery.

    I’m not sure I understand what relevance this point has to the argument about welfare vs economic growth.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    From whorefinder's blog:

    As a final note, “whorefinder” was never me.

    It was my exaggerated id unleashed without censorship, designed to disgust and amuse and use hyperbole as a tool. I long ago decided to use the internet as my release from the stresses of daily life , to use black humor and my darkest thoughts and cruelest expressions without pause, because I could no longer keep bottled up my anger at the suppression for the truth.
     
  180. What I’d like to know, after reading this interesting little primer involving the high-trust Danes, is how a whole extraordinary set of altruistic, pro-social traits of character – trustworthiness, empathy, honesty, courage, etc. – conferring survival value not directly to the host but to the group, came by way of natural selection to be a part of human nature. Moreover, what conditions of life may have favored these traits?…and what of the part of culture in degree and kind of expression?

    The subject brings to mind an econ blog I read quite a few years ago about loose money turning up all over Japan. The author speculated that the money people were finding was of a ploy by Japan’s central bank to generate some spending and modest inflation, if you can imagine them tucking little bundles of money here and there all over the place like Easter eggs; but it didn’t work because the finders mostly turned in the money. The part about the central bank might be off, I don’t know, but the rest is certainly plausible.

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/lost-and-found-millions-in-cash-returned-in-tokyo-every-year-20170315-guy8ie.html

  181. @Steve Sailer
    Huge number of calories.

    That can’t be right, since a pound of potatoes has vastly fewer calories than a pound of wheat. It would have to be calories per acre, if potatoes could be so much more densely planted than wheat. Apparently this is what happened, since the Irish found they could satisfy caloric requirements through potatoes, and still have enough land left to plant other crops which they could then sell for cash.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The average Irish workingman was eating 10 to 20 pounds of boiled potatoes per day.
  182. @Corvinus
    "But Danes still don’t have nearly enough to replace themselves, right? So, even a very small cohort of non-European immigrants with a replacement-level TFR will inexorably become a larger share of the national population."

    Replacement-level TFR is NOT the end all and be all in life. Your fixation on it is exactly like an SJW who is wrapped up in their particular cause.

    Replacement-level TFR is NOT the end all and be all in life.

    Not in any given time period, it isn’t. But ultimately, it really is of life-and-death importance, since any group (including the broad human group) that fails to replace itself over a long enough period of time will eventually perish.

    And of course, something doesn’t have to be the “end all and be all” to be considered worthy of urgent attention.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "But ultimately, it really is of life-and-death importance, since any group (including the broad human group) that fails to replace itself over a long enough period of time will eventually perish."

    Except white people are not going to perish or be eradicated or be genocided out of existence.

    "And of course, something doesn’t have to be the “end all and be all” to be considered worthy of urgent attention."

    Worthy of urgent attention to the Alt Right.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Exactly. I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that.

    Moreover, to have a strong military and maximize one's chance of successfully deterring and defending against conventional attack on land, even in a high-tech era, one needs healthy youngish bodies, especially young men.

    Those men are not being born in sufficient numbers in the UK or European countries.
  183. @silviosilver
    That can't be right, since a pound of potatoes has vastly fewer calories than a pound of wheat. It would have to be calories per acre, if potatoes could be so much more densely planted than wheat. Apparently this is what happened, since the Irish found they could satisfy caloric requirements through potatoes, and still have enough land left to plant other crops which they could then sell for cash.

    The average Irish workingman was eating 10 to 20 pounds of boiled potatoes per day.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    The average Irish workingman was eating 10 to 20 pounds of boiled potatoes per day.
     
    Really?! That is a lot of potatoes.
  184. @YetAnotherAnon
    "Europe was overpopulated, crime ridden a couple of hundred years ago."

    No, two hundred years ago (1818) European population growth was only just taking off. But it's much greater now than in say 1900.

    I can only think of one European country whose population is less than the 1850 population - Ireland, which had a catastrophic famine.

    It wasn't crime-ridden compared with today. You think there's less crime in London now than in Dickens' time? There are gangs in London now throwing acid in people's faces to steal their moped, not stealing silk hankies from pockets.

    It wasn’t crime-ridden compared with today. You think there’s less crime in London now than in Dickens’ time? There are gangs in London now throwing acid in people’s faces to steal their moped, not stealing silk hankies from pockets.

    I don’t see how you could seriously claim to know that. I think you are just guessing that more non-white = more criminal compared to any period in history. (Or perhaps also, less conservative = more criminal.) I don’t see how any serious thinker could put in any stock in such impressionistic reasoning, especially not when it’s contradicted by available data.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "especially not when it’s contradicted by available data"

    These are UK government figures. Got any better ones?

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/victorian-prison/

    "Victorians were worried about the rising crime rate: offences went up from about 5,000 per year in 1800 to about 20,000 per year in 1840. "

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingdec2016

    "The police recorded a total of 4.8 million offences in the year ending December 2016, an annual rise of 9%. "

    anonymous 4.06 - Ireland has a lot of peat, which in a few million years would become coal. There used to be peat-fired power stations IIRC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Offaly_Power_Station

  185. @whorefinder
    ROFL.

    1. Welfare states in Europe lapped up the free border defense America provided.

    2. America led the way on medical innovation in the last 80+ years while everyone else was busy making people wait 9 months for routine surgery.

    I still don’t understand why US forces never completely evacuated from Europe after the Soviet Union collapsed.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    As Pug Ismay pointed out, the Anglo-American agenda, as expressed through NATO, is "to keep America in, Russia out and Germany down."
    , @dfordoom

    I still don’t understand why US forces never completely evacuated from Europe after the Soviet Union collapsed.
     
    You can't maintain a colonial empire without troops on the ground. They had to make sure those uppity Europeans didn't start getting crazy ideas about sovereignty and independence.
  186. @istevefan

    The Falkland would be part of Argentina without the UK.
     
    But that doesn't take away from the fact the Falklanders have recreated Scotland at the tip of South America. Maybe if Iceland were located in the same location, it might succumb to Argentina too.

    The Falklands would look a lot different if it actually had to defend its independence.

     

    Why? Iceland doesn't have to defend its independence. It doesn't have a standing army and relies on its membership in NATO to ensure its sovereignty. Yet Iceland is a great place from what I hear. Other European nations like Denmark don't really defend their independence. They have relied upon the US being in Europe for decades to provide the brunt of their defense. Yet Denmark is a paradise.

    The only possible militaristic threat to Denmark is from Germany.
    Judging by the current political scene, this is unlikely to materialize.

    Russia never has and never had any interest in Denmark.

  187. @Anonym
    So while having the ‘right people’ make up a country goes a long a way to determining what that country is capable of, it’s hardly the end of the story. Progress and development won’t just occur automatically.

    When I looked at the homicide rates several years ago there was a noticeable difference in homicide by regional area over the world with a strong correlation to ethnicity. Even within Europe, Europeans are not all created equal. Northern Europe is among the lowest, from memory. Of course now, Sweden has pozzed itself with non-white immigrants so the country average is no longer representative of ethnic Swedes. But anyway, the Eastern European states are significantly higher in intentional homicide rates, including Ukraine. I don't know what it is about the Russians and Ukrainians, but with 77% Ukrainians and 17% Russians, i.e. 94% total, I suspect they are just a more violent people, and likely something about their makeup makes them less prone to performing as well as say, the Danes. There may be other factors, but it is wise to remember that ethnic Ukrainians are not ethnic Danes, there will be differences although both are Europeans.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate.svg

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

    I take no issue with what you have said here. The poster I was responding didn’t specify any ethnicity, just ‘white people’ so I replied to that. My point was to critique the implicit ‘ethno-libertarian’ argument he was making, that “all it takes” is having the right people make up a country. This idea has long been part of libertarianism’s appeal – an appeal magnified by hereditarianism – that if you just “get government out of the way” then everything else will automatically fall into place. I think the evidence says, “probably not.”

  188. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Dumb question: was there any reason the Irish grew nothing but potatoes, and only one variety at that?

    Ireland had rapid population growth in the 18th and 19th century, and consequently gained a high population density.
    The Irish climate is rather harsh, and not really amenable to arable agriculture. One crop which thrives under the Irish sky, however is the potato, which has the added bonus of high yields per acre, and ease of growing and preparation. For the majority of Irish in the 18th to 19th centuries, there was hardly s cash economy. Families survived on what they grew, and little else.
    Hence, the poor of that island became totally dependent on one crop, the potato – with disastrous consequences.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    England looks much easier to grow wheat in than Ireland, which is soggy and rocky. Just driving around the two islands, it's pretty easy to see why the English were more populous and richer than the Irish. England is prime agricultural real estate while Ireland is pretty marginal.
  189. @Anonymous
    Ireland had rapid population growth in the 18th and 19th century, and consequently gained a high population density.
    The Irish climate is rather harsh, and not really amenable to arable agriculture. One crop which thrives under the Irish sky, however is the potato, which has the added bonus of high yields per acre, and ease of growing and preparation. For the majority of Irish in the 18th to 19th centuries, there was hardly s cash economy. Families survived on what they grew, and little else.
    Hence, the poor of that island became totally dependent on one crop, the potato - with disastrous consequences.

    England looks much easier to grow wheat in than Ireland, which is soggy and rocky. Just driving around the two islands, it’s pretty easy to see why the English were more populous and richer than the Irish. England is prime agricultural real estate while Ireland is pretty marginal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Plus they had virtually no coal.
  190. @RadicalCenter
    There must be a similarly horrifying ratio for Puerto Ricans, probably worse.

    Puerto Ricans are Americans.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Legally, yes. Sociologically, no. That's been one of the problems associated with Puerto Rican settlement on the mainland. Around about 50 years ago, the association between Puerto Rico and the rest of the U.S. turned toxic. The problems have never been addressed. Same deal with some of the Pacific island territories.
    , @Brutusale
    Until I meet a Puerto Rican with an American flag hanging from his rear-view mirror instead of a Puerto Rican one I'll continue to think of them as local interlopers instead of foreign ones.
    , @RadicalCenter
    No, they are US citizens. They may be part of our country and government, because we have foolishly allowed it, but they are not part of our core ethnocultural nation.
  191. @Steve Sailer
    England looks much easier to grow wheat in than Ireland, which is soggy and rocky. Just driving around the two islands, it's pretty easy to see why the English were more populous and richer than the Irish. England is prime agricultural real estate while Ireland is pretty marginal.

    Plus they had virtually no coal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's an odd geological fact. England, Wales and Scotland all have large coal deposits. Ireland has practically none. I don't know the reason why since ultimately it's all the same mass of rock.
  192. @Anonymous
    Plus they had virtually no coal.

    That’s an odd geological fact. England, Wales and Scotland all have large coal deposits. Ireland has practically none. I don’t know the reason why since ultimately it’s all the same mass of rock.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Apparently it was eroded away and washed into the Atlantic ocean in some long past geological era.
  193. @dr kill
    Puerto Ricans are Americans.

    Legally, yes. Sociologically, no. That’s been one of the problems associated with Puerto Rican settlement on the mainland. Around about 50 years ago, the association between Puerto Rico and the rest of the U.S. turned toxic. The problems have never been addressed. Same deal with some of the Pacific island territories.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Corn
    Our treatment of our “gains” in the Spanish-American War was inconsistent and slapdash as all hell. Cuba became an independent republic (though we did meddle here and there), the Philippines became an outright colony that was later granted independence, and Puerto Rico and Guam were largely afterthoughts we didn’t really know what to do with. Hell Puerto Rico was administered by the Navy Department for awhile.

    It should’ve been given the Cuban treatment from the start.
  194. @silviosilver

    Replacement-level TFR is NOT the end all and be all in life.
     
    Not in any given time period, it isn't. But ultimately, it really is of life-and-death importance, since any group (including the broad human group) that fails to replace itself over a long enough period of time will eventually perish.

    And of course, something doesn't have to be the "end all and be all" to be considered worthy of urgent attention.

    “But ultimately, it really is of life-and-death importance, since any group (including the broad human group) that fails to replace itself over a long enough period of time will eventually perish.”

    Except white people are not going to perish or be eradicated or be genocided out of existence.

    “And of course, something doesn’t have to be the “end all and be all” to be considered worthy of urgent attention.”

    Worthy of urgent attention to the Alt Right.

  195. @silviosilver

    1. Welfare states in Europe lapped up the free border defense America provided.
     
    According to my calculations, this actually made rather little difference. Perhaps my reasoning is mistaken, so I'll outline it here, and if someone spots an error he can let me know.

    The argument is that Europe was able to get away with its generous social spending because Americans footed the bill for Europe's defense. Of course, European defense spending was not zero over this time period, so the real question is how much more Europe should have had to pay to make the burden of defense spending more equitable.

    Let's assume that the combined amount of defense spending of America and Europe from 1946-1990 was in fact the amount necessary to keep Europe safe. Since Europe was, in fact, kept safe, we can safely regard this as the maximum possible amount necessary to that task. (In reality, the true amount would have been somewhat less since, as historians have shown, conservatives over those years inaccurately assessed the level of risk posed by the Soviets - they in fact grossly exaggerated it, although this is a forgivable error.)

    If we take the combined total of defense spending of America and Europe every year from 1946-1990, the 'fair' European share of the burden would have been some proportion of that figure. Clearly, that proportion would have to be less than 100%, but how much lower? The actual European proportion of this total average about 30% over those years, so 30% is a baseline. (Data sources on defense spending over these years are inconsistent, but we are interested in ball park estimates.) Well, if America was spending money on defense where it was needed in those years - Europe - because that was considered vital to American security, then perhaps a proportion as high as 67% would be appropriate for Europeans to have been paying.

    What would have happened to European welfare had Europeans had to foot the 67% of the bill for combined American and European defense (rather than the 30% they actually paid)? Well, my logic is that funds spent on defense were funds unavailable for welfare. Therefore, the difference between what Europe actually paid for defense in a given year and what Europe should have paid should be subtracted from the amount Europe paid for welfare in that year. Eg, if Europe spent 15% of GDP on welfare in a given year, but the difference between actual defense spending and necessary defense spending was 5% of GDP, then Europe would only have been able to spend 15%-5%=10% of GDP on welfare in that year.

    I don't have data for every year of European welfare spending over that time period, however, a reasonable estimate is that social spending grew from about 10% of GDP in 1946 to about 25%. (Perhaps that initial figure could be adjusted down and the latter adjusted up, but it doesn't make much difference.)

    Running the calculations through a spreadsheet, then, reveals that if Europe had to pay for 67% of the shared defense budget with America, social spending would have grown from about 0.5% of GDP in 1946 to about 23% in 1990. By 1975, when the European social model can quite safely be assumed to have been implemented, European social spending would have been about 16.5% of GDP rather than the 20% it actually was - still a fairly impressive achievement.

    Of course, in reality, no one would have thought it fair for Europe to have to pay 67% of the shared burden, so if this proportion is reduced to a more realistic 50%, the above performance looks even more impressive.

    To sum up, the argument that Europe could only afford generous welfare because America paid for its defense doesn't hold water.

    2. America led the way on medical innovation in the last 80+ years while everyone else was busy making people wait 9 months for routine surgery.
     
    I'm not sure I understand what relevance this point has to the argument about welfare vs economic growth.

    From whorefinder’s blog:

    As a final note, “whorefinder” was never me.

    It was my exaggerated id unleashed without censorship, designed to disgust and amuse and use hyperbole as a tool. I long ago decided to use the internet as my release from the stresses of daily life , to use black humor and my darkest thoughts and cruelest expressions without pause, because I could no longer keep bottled up my anger at the suppression for the truth.

  196. @Anonymous
    I still don't understand why US forces never completely evacuated from Europe after the Soviet Union collapsed.

    As Pug Ismay pointed out, the Anglo-American agenda, as expressed through NATO, is “to keep America in, Russia out and Germany down.”

  197. @silviosilver

    It wasn’t crime-ridden compared with today. You think there’s less crime in London now than in Dickens’ time? There are gangs in London now throwing acid in people’s faces to steal their moped, not stealing silk hankies from pockets.
     
    I don't see how you could seriously claim to know that. I think you are just guessing that more non-white = more criminal compared to any period in history. (Or perhaps also, less conservative = more criminal.) I don't see how any serious thinker could put in any stock in such impressionistic reasoning, especially not when it's contradicted by available data.

    “especially not when it’s contradicted by available data”

    These are UK government figures. Got any better ones?

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/victorian-prison/

    “Victorians were worried about the rising crime rate: offences went up from about 5,000 per year in 1800 to about 20,000 per year in 1840. “

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingdec2016

    “The police recorded a total of 4.8 million offences in the year ending December 2016, an annual rise of 9%. “

    anonymous 4.06 – Ireland has a lot of peat, which in a few million years would become coal. There used to be peat-fired power stations IIRC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Offaly_Power_Station

  198. @Art Deco
    Legally, yes. Sociologically, no. That's been one of the problems associated with Puerto Rican settlement on the mainland. Around about 50 years ago, the association between Puerto Rico and the rest of the U.S. turned toxic. The problems have never been addressed. Same deal with some of the Pacific island territories.

    Our treatment of our “gains” in the Spanish-American War was inconsistent and slapdash as all hell. Cuba became an independent republic (though we did meddle here and there), the Philippines became an outright colony that was later granted independence, and Puerto Rico and Guam were largely afterthoughts we didn’t really know what to do with. Hell Puerto Rico was administered by the Navy Department for awhile.

    It should’ve been given the Cuban treatment from the start.

  199. @Steve Sailer
    The average Irish workingman was eating 10 to 20 pounds of boiled potatoes per day.

    The average Irish workingman was eating 10 to 20 pounds of boiled potatoes per day.

    Really?! That is a lot of potatoes.

    • Replies: @Corn
    History Channel once said at the time of the French Revolution the average French farmer ate 5 pounds of bread per day.

    Swinging an ax and walking behind a plow all day takes more energy than sitting at a desk or standing at an assembly line I guess.
  200. @Anonymous
    I still don't understand why US forces never completely evacuated from Europe after the Soviet Union collapsed.

    I still don’t understand why US forces never completely evacuated from Europe after the Soviet Union collapsed.

    You can’t maintain a colonial empire without troops on the ground. They had to make sure those uppity Europeans didn’t start getting crazy ideas about sovereignty and independence.

  201. @anonymous
    It's kind of odd that Denmark runs a pretty big chunk of land in the western hemisphere, namely Greenland.

    Sirius Dog Sled Patrol:


    "...an elite Danish naval unit. It conducts long-range reconnaissance patrolling, and enforces Danish sovereignty in the Arctic wilderness of northern and eastern Greenland...

    ...has the ability to engage militarily, and has done so historically. Its purpose is to maintain Danish sovereignty...

    ...activated in the summer of 1941 during World War II to conduct long-range reconnaissance patrols along the northeast coast of Greenland thereby preventing German presence...

    ...the Germans established a number of secret weather stations... with invaluable meteorological information both to assist their U-boat campaign...

    ...

    ...consists of six dog sled teams for the duration of the year, each consisting of two men, and 11 to 15 dogs...

    ...the autumn patrol starts sometime in November, and lasts until late-December...

    ...""The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably...

    ...patrolmen feel that the full metal jacket bullet on the military round is best against polar bears at long range, but that the hollow-points are better against an enraged musk ox. Typically, the patrolmen arrange their stripper clips so every third round is a hollow-point..."

     

    When's the last time GreenLand Today was cited at iSteve?

    "THE SIRIUS SLED PATROL", Greenland Today, 19 July 2015:


    "...Daneborg is headquarters for the Sirius Sled Patrol. ...

    ...It is not about doing the most push-ups or running faster. It is about finding a dynamic group of people who can work together and who have different skills. The group usually includes many craftsmen...

    ... Regardless of what equipment you have, you will die if you don’t respect the weather...

    ...if a dog pees on the chain, it can freeze to the ground and hold them down if there is heavy snowfall...

    ...you do not bathe..."

     

    …””The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably…

    Anyone who has done northern warfare training knows to run guns dry (no lubricant) in very cold weather. At a certain temperature point the lubricant freezes and seizes the action. AR-15 type rifles need a good bit of lubrication, so they do poorly. Long piston guns (e.g. AKs) do better, but even they gum up eventually. Bolt guns are run by hand, so they work best. For example, the Canadian Rangers used the .303 Lee-Enfield until very recently.

    • Replies: @Corn
    I was on a gun forum once and a member who claimed to be an MP at an Army or Air Force base in Alaska back in the ‘70s or ‘80s once said he was put on guard duty walking the fence with a double barreled shotgun.

    I would think it’d be easy for the Army or Air Force to find a few functioning M1903s somewhere, but having never been to Alaska I didn’t want to challenge the guy on it.
    , @Joe Stalin
    Actually, there are lubricants that are space qualified so they your AR-15 could work where it's very cold. It's just that they are several hundred dollars per can. They use them on actuators and digital position sensors.
  202. @Jim Don Bob

    The average Irish workingman was eating 10 to 20 pounds of boiled potatoes per day.
     
    Really?! That is a lot of potatoes.

    History Channel once said at the time of the French Revolution the average French farmer ate 5 pounds of bread per day.

    Swinging an ax and walking behind a plow all day takes more energy than sitting at a desk or standing at an assembly line I guess.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Five pounds of bread is something like 17,000 calories per day. I'm not sure I believe the History Channel there. When younger, I was a farm hand and I estimate I took in 5000 to 8000 calories a day at the peak. It is hard to imagine 17000 as even a physical possibility. I'm about average modern height and weight. Eighteenth century French peasants were smaller.
  203. @Twinkie

    …””The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably…
     
    Anyone who has done northern warfare training knows to run guns dry (no lubricant) in very cold weather. At a certain temperature point the lubricant freezes and seizes the action. AR-15 type rifles need a good bit of lubrication, so they do poorly. Long piston guns (e.g. AKs) do better, but even they gum up eventually. Bolt guns are run by hand, so they work best. For example, the Canadian Rangers used the .303 Lee-Enfield until very recently.

    I was on a gun forum once and a member who claimed to be an MP at an Army or Air Force base in Alaska back in the ‘70s or ‘80s once said he was put on guard duty walking the fence with a double barreled shotgun.

    I would think it’d be easy for the Army or Air Force to find a few functioning M1903s somewhere, but having never been to Alaska I didn’t want to challenge the guy on it.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    Shotguns loaded with slugs aren’t a bad idea for polar bear defense I guess. Can’t imagine it was a double barrel though. More likely a pump of some sort. The military has used shotguns from WW I up through the present to my knowledge.
  204. @Anonymous
    That's an odd geological fact. England, Wales and Scotland all have large coal deposits. Ireland has practically none. I don't know the reason why since ultimately it's all the same mass of rock.

    Apparently it was eroded away and washed into the Atlantic ocean in some long past geological era.

  205. @Corn
    I was on a gun forum once and a member who claimed to be an MP at an Army or Air Force base in Alaska back in the ‘70s or ‘80s once said he was put on guard duty walking the fence with a double barreled shotgun.

    I would think it’d be easy for the Army or Air Force to find a few functioning M1903s somewhere, but having never been to Alaska I didn’t want to challenge the guy on it.

    Shotguns loaded with slugs aren’t a bad idea for polar bear defense I guess. Can’t imagine it was a double barrel though. More likely a pump of some sort. The military has used shotguns from WW I up through the present to my knowledge.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Shotguns loaded with slugs aren’t a bad idea for polar bear defense I guess.
     
    You don't want an angry polar bear that close.
  206. @dr kill
    Puerto Ricans are Americans.

    Until I meet a Puerto Rican with an American flag hanging from his rear-view mirror instead of a Puerto Rican one I’ll continue to think of them as local interlopers instead of foreign ones.

  207. @silviosilver

    Replacement-level TFR is NOT the end all and be all in life.
     
    Not in any given time period, it isn't. But ultimately, it really is of life-and-death importance, since any group (including the broad human group) that fails to replace itself over a long enough period of time will eventually perish.

    And of course, something doesn't have to be the "end all and be all" to be considered worthy of urgent attention.

    Exactly. I’m not sure what is hard to understand about that.

    Moreover, to have a strong military and maximize one’s chance of successfully deterring and defending against conventional attack on land, even in a high-tech era, one needs healthy youngish bodies, especially young men.

    Those men are not being born in sufficient numbers in the UK or European countries.

  208. @Corvinus
    "The US, the “larger polity” that Denmark is “free riding” on, used to have high social mobility, low inequality, high social trust and national happiness, just like Denmark today."

    That is exactly what the English said before the non-English invaded the Thirteen Colonies. Unless you are able to trace yourself directly to the motherland--England--you have to go back.

    Your comment doesn’t make sense.

    “The US, the ‘larger polity’ that Denmark is ‘free riding’ on, used to have high social mobility, low inequality, high social trust and national happiness, just like Denmark today.”

    This is “exactly” what the English said before the non-English invaded the Thirteen colonies???

    If you’ve got any logic or cites, go ahead and try again, but your reputation for bad faith argument precedes you, so I may not bother answering.

  209. @Twinkie

    …””The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably…
     
    Anyone who has done northern warfare training knows to run guns dry (no lubricant) in very cold weather. At a certain temperature point the lubricant freezes and seizes the action. AR-15 type rifles need a good bit of lubrication, so they do poorly. Long piston guns (e.g. AKs) do better, but even they gum up eventually. Bolt guns are run by hand, so they work best. For example, the Canadian Rangers used the .303 Lee-Enfield until very recently.

    Actually, there are lubricants that are space qualified so they your AR-15 could work where it’s very cold. It’s just that they are several hundred dollars per can. They use them on actuators and digital position sensors.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    It’s just that they are several hundred dollars per can.
     
    Well, yes, lots of things are possible. They are often not feasible, because they are too costly, especially when there are much cheaper alternatives.

    Even with super fancy super low temp lubricants, though, there is still carbon build up in the bolt/chamber area of the AR-15. Normally not a problem with a good cleaning routine, but much greater problem in very low temperatures (or high dust/sand environment).

    AR-15 is an excellent platform - light/handy, very accurate, and ergonomic, but it is not harsh environment-tolerant.

    Bolt gun is the way to go - it's time-proven for a reason in that climate.
  210. @Anonymous
    Dumb question: was there any reason the Irish grew nothing but potatoes, and only one variety at that?

    Potatoes notoriously yield one of the highest caloric rates per acre. Plus they happen to do pretty well in Ireland’s climate and soil. So the nineteenth century Irish were kind of painted into a corner, or to use a different metaphor, out on a limb. The high population density with little foreign trade meant they had to have high caloric yields per acre. The potato was pretty much the only option at that point.

    Unfortunately, potatoes do not grow from seeds as do grains: wheat, oats, rye, etc. Instead a potato is cut up and the pieces planted to make new potato plants, sort of like a starfish. So genetically, all the plants of a particular variety are really one plant: clones as it were. Thus when disease strikes, it strikes hard because it only has to overcome one immune system.

    As I say, they were out on a limb. Then it cracked…

    Had they been relying on wheat or rye instead, perhaps famine would have come earlier because they couldn’t have reached the same caloric yields per acre. On the other hand, the population would have peaked earlier so the demographic tower being less tall wouldn’t have fallen so hard. Also, crop blight would probably have been less severe on a crop less genetically monolithic.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    Cecil Woodham-Smith wrote The Great Hunger on the topic of the potato famine. She reported in that book that grain was exported from Ireland throughout the famine, a fact that is now widely acknowledged as accurate.
    The US donated corn meal to help alleviate the starvation while absentee landlords shipped food out of the country to market. As was their right.
    In this country, it is my right to defend me and mine from starvation. An unarmed man is a serf, entirely subject to those with arms.
    She also wrote a pretty good book on the charge of The Light Brigade. They hold up well after 50 some years.
  211. @Corn
    History Channel once said at the time of the French Revolution the average French farmer ate 5 pounds of bread per day.

    Swinging an ax and walking behind a plow all day takes more energy than sitting at a desk or standing at an assembly line I guess.

    Five pounds of bread is something like 17,000 calories per day. I’m not sure I believe the History Channel there. When younger, I was a farm hand and I estimate I took in 5000 to 8000 calories a day at the peak. It is hard to imagine 17000 as even a physical possibility. I’m about average modern height and weight. Eighteenth century French peasants were smaller.

  212. @Barnard
    That elites have to be told, repeatedly, that the policies that are successful in a small, homogenous country can't be replicated in a large, diverse country is a bad sign. It's even worse that they still choose not to accept the obvious even after they can see what they results are.

    The left is currently being held off in Denmark, but the push for diversity has never stopped. Given the proximity to Malmo, Sweden some of their problems are bound to spill over as well.

    It’s not that the elites are ill informed. They just don’t care.

  213. @Joe Stalin
    Actually, there are lubricants that are space qualified so they your AR-15 could work where it's very cold. It's just that they are several hundred dollars per can. They use them on actuators and digital position sensors.

    It’s just that they are several hundred dollars per can.

    Well, yes, lots of things are possible. They are often not feasible, because they are too costly, especially when there are much cheaper alternatives.

    Even with super fancy super low temp lubricants, though, there is still carbon build up in the bolt/chamber area of the AR-15. Normally not a problem with a good cleaning routine, but much greater problem in very low temperatures (or high dust/sand environment).

    AR-15 is an excellent platform – light/handy, very accurate, and ergonomic, but it is not harsh environment-tolerant.

    Bolt gun is the way to go – it’s time-proven for a reason in that climate.

  214. @JMcG
    Shotguns loaded with slugs aren’t a bad idea for polar bear defense I guess. Can’t imagine it was a double barrel though. More likely a pump of some sort. The military has used shotguns from WW I up through the present to my knowledge.

    Shotguns loaded with slugs aren’t a bad idea for polar bear defense I guess.

    You don’t want an angry polar bear that close.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    My slug gun clover leafs at 75 yards with Remington copper solids. It’s an H&R Tracker. They used 10 gauge barrel blanks, bored them to 12 gauge and rifled them. Supposedly the Israelis used them for urban sniping, but that’s probably internet myth. It is a heavy gun though, and I’m sure not remotely like the pump guns used by the military.
    Your point is a good one though, 75 yards is too close for a polar bear!
  215. @dr kill
    Puerto Ricans are Americans.

    No, they are US citizens. They may be part of our country and government, because we have foolishly allowed it, but they are not part of our core ethnocultural nation.

  216. @Almost Missouri
    Potatoes notoriously yield one of the highest caloric rates per acre. Plus they happen to do pretty well in Ireland's climate and soil. So the nineteenth century Irish were kind of painted into a corner, or to use a different metaphor, out on a limb. The high population density with little foreign trade meant they had to have high caloric yields per acre. The potato was pretty much the only option at that point.

    Unfortunately, potatoes do not grow from seeds as do grains: wheat, oats, rye, etc. Instead a potato is cut up and the pieces planted to make new potato plants, sort of like a starfish. So genetically, all the plants of a particular variety are really one plant: clones as it were. Thus when disease strikes, it strikes hard because it only has to overcome one immune system.

    As I say, they were out on a limb. Then it cracked...

    Had they been relying on wheat or rye instead, perhaps famine would have come earlier because they couldn't have reached the same caloric yields per acre. On the other hand, the population would have peaked earlier so the demographic tower being less tall wouldn't have fallen so hard. Also, crop blight would probably have been less severe on a crop less genetically monolithic.

    Cecil Woodham-Smith wrote The Great Hunger on the topic of the potato famine. She reported in that book that grain was exported from Ireland throughout the famine, a fact that is now widely acknowledged as accurate.
    The US donated corn meal to help alleviate the starvation while absentee landlords shipped food out of the country to market. As was their right.
    In this country, it is my right to defend me and mine from starvation. An unarmed man is a serf, entirely subject to those with arms.
    She also wrote a pretty good book on the charge of The Light Brigade. They hold up well after 50 some years.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    She reported in that book that grain was exported from Ireland throughout the famine, a fact that is now widely acknowledged as accurate.

    The US donated corn meal to help alleviate the starvation while absentee landlords shipped food out of the country to market. As was their right.
     
    As usual, when a society is sick, the source of the sickness is almost always an elite without regard for the ordinary people, without noblesse oblige.

    My children have grown up privileged and I have hammered in a strong sense of service and duty to their less well-off citizens. God didn't give them such blessings, so they could just live easily for themselves.
  217. @Twinkie

    Shotguns loaded with slugs aren’t a bad idea for polar bear defense I guess.
     
    You don't want an angry polar bear that close.

    My slug gun clover leafs at 75 yards with Remington copper solids. It’s an H&R Tracker. They used 10 gauge barrel blanks, bored them to 12 gauge and rifled them. Supposedly the Israelis used them for urban sniping, but that’s probably internet myth. It is a heavy gun though, and I’m sure not remotely like the pump guns used by the military.
    Your point is a good one though, 75 yards is too close for a polar bear!

  218. @JMcG
    Cecil Woodham-Smith wrote The Great Hunger on the topic of the potato famine. She reported in that book that grain was exported from Ireland throughout the famine, a fact that is now widely acknowledged as accurate.
    The US donated corn meal to help alleviate the starvation while absentee landlords shipped food out of the country to market. As was their right.
    In this country, it is my right to defend me and mine from starvation. An unarmed man is a serf, entirely subject to those with arms.
    She also wrote a pretty good book on the charge of The Light Brigade. They hold up well after 50 some years.

    She reported in that book that grain was exported from Ireland throughout the famine, a fact that is now widely acknowledged as accurate.

    The US donated corn meal to help alleviate the starvation while absentee landlords shipped food out of the country to market. As was their right.

    As usual, when a society is sick, the source of the sickness is almost always an elite without regard for the ordinary people, without noblesse oblige.

    My children have grown up privileged and I have hammered in a strong sense of service and duty to their less well-off citizens. God didn’t give them such blessings, so they could just live easily for themselves.

  219. @Svigor

    Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?

    The cost of building a force sufficient to deter communist expansion without the United States would have rendered the Scandinavian welfare state untenable.

     

    You know, I really don't mind things that are limited to a small scale? In fact, I kinda like them. We could carve the USA up into Denmark-sized countries and give their way a go.

    'Course the necessary shedding of diversity would be worth it to me, regardless of how the economics worked out...

    You know, I really don’t mind things that are limited to a small scale? In fact, I kinda like them. We could carve the USA up into Denmark-sized countries and give their way a go.

    ‘Course the necessary shedding of diversity would be worth it to me, regardless of how the economics worked out…

    Do this, and a lot of stresses would be taken out of the system. Return tax and spending power to the state level for example, then, in the new American Confederation:

    – The MIC and the other special interests starve.
    – Washington becomes a talking shop with no real power.
    – No funding/votes for ME wars
    – Citizens are locally responsible for their education, healthcare, policing, justice system etc. and have to wake up/contribute.
    – Citizens know their local politicians and can hold them responsible.
    – California can be California and Texas can be Texas, respecting each other’s differing viewpoints.

  220. @Svigor

    Where is the real world empirical evidence supporting the notion that the Danemark model can scale?

    The cost of building a force sufficient to deter communist expansion without the United States would have rendered the Scandinavian welfare state untenable.

     

    You know, I really don't mind things that are limited to a small scale? In fact, I kinda like them. We could carve the USA up into Denmark-sized countries and give their way a go.

    'Course the necessary shedding of diversity would be worth it to me, regardless of how the economics worked out...

    You know, I really don’t mind things that are limited to a small scale? In fact, I kinda like them. We could carve the USA up into Denmark-sized countries and give their way a go.

    ‘Course the necessary shedding of diversity would be worth it to me, regardless of how the economics worked out…

    Do this, and a lot of stresses would be taken out of the system. Return tax and spending power to the state level for example, then, in the new American Confederation:

    – The MIC and the other special interests starve.

    – Washington becomes a talking shop with no real power.

    – No funding/votes for ME wars

    – Citizens are locally responsible for their education, healthcare, policing, justice system etc. and have to wake up/contribute.

    – Citizens know their local politicians and can hold them responsible.

    – California can be California and Texas can be Texas, respecting each other’s differing viewpoints.

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