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Max Boot of the Council of Foreign Relations tweets:
The anti-Semitic emails sent via protonmail (encrypted, Swiss-based service) are getting more bizarre. And they were pretty strange to begin with. pic.twitter.com/Si46HLP1b3
— Max Boot (@MaxBoot) January 20, 2018
Another, especially Bootian reason for Open Borders for Israel would be more cannon fodder. As Boot proposed for the U.S. in 2005 as a way to man all the wars he had helped bring about and all the future wars he was planning to instigate:
Uncle Sam Wants Tu: The military could ease its manpower shortage by letting foreigners join up.
I note that there is a pretty big pool of manpower that’s not being tapped: everyone on the planet who is not a U.S. citizen or permanent resident…
The military would do well today to open its ranks not only to legal immigrants but also to illegal ones and, as important, to untold numbers of young men and women who are not here now but would like to come. No doubt many would be willing to serve for some set period in return for one of the world’s most precious commodities — U.S. citizenship. Open up recruiting stations from Budapest to Bangkok, Cape Town to Cairo, Montreal to Mexico City.
But instead of having the huddled masses of Cairo move to America to fight Max Boot’s wars for him, why not cut out the U.S. middleman and have the wretched refuse of Cairo move right to Israel where the Israeli government would arm them? What could possibly go wrong?
I suppose that would make open borders advocates in the US anti-American, right Max?
Indeed, and the World is full of men who I’m sure we would all be proud to call American soldiers: Mexican Zetas, African Child Warriors, Indonesian Pirates, Afghan Badmashes – legions of hard men who would be happy to eat Uncle Sam’s salt, and slit throats in exchange for his coin. It’s fortunate that we have such great Americans as Max Boot to tell us what is best for our country.
Maybe we could find some Hessians to serve in the Army too.
I love how he’s playing so coy & innocent….
OT:
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-42731363
Jewish immigrants from India were actually not allowed to marry outside their community by the Israeli rabbinical authority.
Herr Schicklgruber would have been proud.
No, that’s not right. Open borders for Israel is anti-Israel because Israel is the Jewish State. Open borders for America is pro-America because that’s Who We Are(tm), the Nation Of Immigrants.
The future of cannon fodder are drones and remotely operated and programmable land robots.
Israel and the USA are leaders here. Given Israel’s habit of invading Southern Lebanon, we probably will not have to wait too long for a demo.
Southern Lebanon has long been a stateless society occupied by hostile paramilitaries (the PLO, Hezbollah). If the paramilitaries don't wish to be shot to pieces, they can quit sending in infiltrator-terrorists and shelling border towns.
There is no doubt drones and such are becoming more important. But to occupy and hold territory you are always going to need soldiers on the ground
Cairo wouldn’t work, but Mumbai might.
It’s gotta be tempting for Israel to hire a bunch of low cost Hindu foot soldiers with a built-in animus toward Muslims.
“Swiss-based?” As a Swiss octaroon (my maternal grandmother was Swiss/Irish), I find that comment suspicious. Is Max Boot anti-Swiss?
What if all foreigners joined up, as I assume is the endgame? Then who would we fight?
Why am I asking? Me, probably, and my kind. We would magically lose our Americanness for reason of having been born on U.S. soil to parents from a long line of Americans.
Simply being aware of the fact that pro-Israel types are for open borders over there and closed borders over here is anti-semitic. Because “anti-semitic” means people capable of gaining advantage in arguments against defenders of Israel.
It’s a bad look. Kinda Sharptony.
I believe that’s called playing dumb.
That fabled high verbal IQ at work. It’s really quite embarrassing that America was captured by people of such mediocre intelligence.
It is a shame that America has been captured by such hucksters.
Enlist unlimited numbers of foreigners in the U.S. armed forces and – guess what! – they’d cease to be the U.S. armed forces.
For crying out loud, Max Boot, it’s not as if ancient Rome made out really well by following your ignorant recommendation.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana
As all evidence demonstrates.
This is why ideas are so important in society. The liberal & jewish hegemony over academia and media has allowed them to frame “what America is” and “who we are.” If the idea of America as a home of Americans (or France as home for French) still existed it would have been much easier to resist mass invasion.
Memories are short. The Roman Empire came gradually to rely on barbarian recruits to fight barbarians. It didn’t work out very well long term.
The smarter Jews should probably get the word out among the tribe that such transparently abusive use of the Dat’s Anti-Semitic get out of jail free card is demeaning to and thus Not Good For the Jews.
It’s a bad look. Kinda Sharptony.
Good point, we wouldn't want to wake the cattle. The goyim might begin acting in their own self-interest as a result....esp. those evil White goyim who's nations jews play pivotal roles in destroying. The world will be better (for jews - as if anyone else's concerns mattered) once they are blended into an 85 IQ homogenous sludge with our brown slaves....or murdered. Don't you agree?
There's a four panel comic where a stereotypically jewish journalist is sitting at her computer and writes an article called "All White People Should Die". She's quite pleased with herself, but the comments are critical, and one asks if she's jewish. Her response? "OMG Antisemitism!"
Tick tock.
He is playing dumb to turn satire into perceived anti-semitism. So yeah, it is higher IQ at work.
It is a shame that America has been captured by such hucksters.
WTF?
1. Max Boot thinks open borders are a great idea.
2. Mr. Boot’s correspondent wants Israel to have open borders.
3. Therefore, Mr. Boot’s correspondent LOVES Israel.
But Mr. Boot believes his correspondent hates Israel because he wants Israel to have open borders. No further proof is needed to demonstrate that Mr. Boot is a racist piece of shit who wants open borders for other people’s countries but not for a country where his own ethnic group is the majority.
Boot may not understand the joke (or does he?), but he understands they're not on his side, and they're talking about Israel, therefore anti-semitic. QED.
How many ethnic minorities who are open borders activists are pushing for open borders for whatever country they or their parents came from? My favorite recent example was when George Takei criticized the governor of Arkansas for objecting to more refugees – even though Arkansas probably has a dozen or more towns with more refugees than the entire nation of Japan, where his parents immigrated from. George Takei neither lives in Japan nor Arkansas, and he has greater ties to the former than to the latter, yet he takes time to criticize only Arkansas.
It's gotta be tempting for Israel to hire a bunch of low cost Hindu foot soldiers with a built-in animus toward Muslims.
The Gurkas have loyally served the British crown in every major war since 1857 and are 90%+ Hindu.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-42731363
Jewish immigrants from India were actually not allowed to marry outside their community by the Israeli rabbinical authority.
Herr Schicklgruber would have been proud.
The article you linked to says this policy was only in place from 1962-1964.
But instead of having the huddled masses of Cairo move to America to fight Max Boot’s wars for him, why not cut out the U.S. middleman and have the wretched refuse of Cairo move right to Israel where the Israeli government would arm them?
Woke.
For someone who fancies himself a “foreign policy intellectual”, Boot’s response is childish. Just shouting “racist”, when someone asks a legitimate question about the purpose of border walls…it reminds me of the sort of response one would get from an American progressive.
Did he just say that American citizenship is coveted? How can something be precious or coveted if it’s given out for free to anyone who wants it?
So far, the counter arguments are rather lame. It is so obviously true that to say it is not makes you look ridiculous, not unlike the recent shitholegate with people comeing out and saying Haiti is just as nice as Norway.
I really think that many ‘high IQ’, high achieving Jews are as dense about many things as Boot seems to be. And one area that is common as dirt among them is discerning even the most egregious Jewish hypocrisy, the most revoltingly self-serving Jewish double standards.
That guy has 100,000 twitter followers, and nearly every single reply to the tweet was from an alt right account mocking him. So, my conclusion is that the majority of his followers are either fake, or his enemies and he has no real fans/supporters.
Which makes sense because who is this guy anyway? I’ve never heard of him except as mentioned here. Even in a big country like ours I find it hard to believe there are 100k people who are both Twitter users and care about the lame shilling this loser puts out. There aren’t THAT many neocon wonks in the swamp, are there?
Despite his presence at the editorial pages of the WSJ and PBS?
Speaking of prime space and time, some years ago he spoke at a Chicago Tribune street level room on Michigan Ave and the river. Now that’s prime.
The talk was free so I thought I'd go, but admission was restricted to those who preregistered. (I don't remember the weather outside, but the heat was pretty high over the Iraq business.)
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He’s not playing.
Israel and the USA are leaders here. Given Israel's habit of invading Southern Lebanon, we probably will not have to wait too long for a demo.
Given how well the last Invade Lebanon demo went, it might be a bit longer before the next demo.
It’s a bad look. Kinda Sharptony.
“The smarter Jews should probably get the word out among the tribe that such transparently abusive use of the Dat’s Anti-Semitic get out of jail free card is demeaning to and thus Not Good For the Jews.”
Good point, we wouldn’t want to wake the cattle. The goyim might begin acting in their own self-interest as a result….esp. those evil White goyim who’s nations jews play pivotal roles in destroying. The world will be better (for jews – as if anyone else’s concerns mattered) once they are blended into an 85 IQ homogenous sludge with our brown slaves….or murdered. Don’t you agree?
There’s a four panel comic where a stereotypically jewish journalist is sitting at her computer and writes an article called “All White People Should Die”. She’s quite pleased with herself, but the comments are critical, and one asks if she’s jewish. Her response? “OMG Antisemitism!”
Tick tock.
1) 80-90% of the comments on Boot’s post are trolling him. The few who defend him are humorless drones. Not a single comment in his defense even attempts to explain why open borders are essential for America and Europe but wrong for Israel.
2) Apparently Max follows Evan McMuffin on Twitter. That pretty much tells you all you need to know.
But instead of having the huddled masses of Cairo move to America to fight Max Boot’s wars for him, why not cut out the U.S. middleman and have the wretched refuse of Cairo move right to Israel where the Israeli government would arm them?
Why have you taken to subscribing to the poisonous fantasies of some of your votaries?
all the wars he had helped bring about
He didn’t ‘help bring about’ wars any more than you prevented any. He’s an opinion journalist, not a policy-maker. He’s on the patronage of the Council on Foreign Relations. Unlike Walter Lippmann ca. 1940 or George Will ca. 1985, he’s not known to be a must-read among policy-makers. Unlike Jeane Kirkpatrick ca. 1980, he’s not known to have caught the attention of a crucial gatekeeper. Charles Blow writes op-ed pieces too.
Obviously, almost nobody is interested in what YOU have to say; your website is an emtpty wasteland. When Art Deco speaks, people don't listen, apparently.What do you think the purpose of opinion journalism is, you stupid ass? It is to influence opinion. In Boot's case it is to influence opinion - both public and elite opinion - in the service of a particular agenda, which includes fomenting wars:
From his Wiki bio:That doesn't sound like somebody with no influence. He sounds like somebody with a fair amount of influence. He "teaches" American army officers, among his other propaganda pursuits. Do YOU teach at the General Staff College? Boot swims among the big fish of Washington and regularly talks to them, in order to spread his poisonous fantasies.
Just because you are an insignificant nobody, doesn't mean that everyone is. Steve is influential, and you are not, and that really seems to gnaw at you.
This guy is a dumbass. His brilliant suggestion is reality and has been since at least twenty years ago when I was in the military. I served alongside Filipinos, Mexicans, Vietnamese…and even a Russian. Hell, my squadron had a sassy, Haitian Negress I once almost got in trouble for calling a “Haitian whore” (a statement of fact in this case, but truth of course is no longer an absolute defense to allegations of slander…).
These characters had all joined the military precisely to obtain citizenship. Excepting certain commissions (actually, maybe all commissions as a line officer; it’s been a while since I reviewed such things…) and positions requiring access to especially secret information (avionics, nuclear power plants, etc.) no one need be a citizen to serve in the military, and already many serving are foreigners. The service does (or did, and I very much doubt it has changed to be more exclusive!) provide them heap plenty Brownie-points toward residency and citizenship.
I reiterate: This Max Boot creature is dumber than a box of dick-knuckles.
Israel and the USA are leaders here. Given Israel's habit of invading Southern Lebanon, we probably will not have to wait too long for a demo.
Given Israel’s habit of invading Southern Lebanon,
Southern Lebanon has long been a stateless society occupied by hostile paramilitaries (the PLO, Hezbollah). If the paramilitaries don’t wish to be shot to pieces, they can quit sending in infiltrator-terrorists and shelling border towns.
In general Muslims give all the nearby non Muslims a casus belli every day and twice on Ramadan.
Which makes sense because who is this guy anyway? I've never heard of him except as mentioned here. Even in a big country like ours I find it hard to believe there are 100k people who are both Twitter users and care about the lame shilling this loser puts out. There aren't THAT many neocon wonks in the swamp, are there?
This tweet might hold the record for comments for him. Most of his original tweets have maybe half a dozen comments, tops. Most have maybe two or three. Many of them have no comments at all. His top tweet, a “pinned” tweet from January 5 on “The Road Not Taken,” is up to 30+ comments. The first comment – “Everything Max writes is a must-read!” – is by Jennifer Rubin, member in full of the Jewish-supremacist neocon echo chamber.
Jennifer Rubin once did did a video blog with Mickey Kaus, where she defended open borders for America but not for Israel without even a hint of shame.
https://ricochet.com/archives/left-coastright-coast-with-kaus-and-rubin-17-stand-your-ground/
It doesn't look like they discussed immigration.
The man wrote “allowed,” using the past tense, with no profession that the practice endured for any particular length of time.
If I wrote “Americans once fought a bloody internecine war” would you protest “this war only occurred from 1861 to 1865?” Is that kind of irrelevant non sequitur meant to somehow refute the interlocutor’s point?
I used to be a smart-alecky conservative who scoffed at “political correctness.” The Trump era has opened my eyes.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/27/2017-was-the-year-i-learned-about-my-white-privilege/
Anybody checked who were his ancestors. Did he have relatives in Cheka, NKVD or KGB?
“I invasion a beautiful future…”
Even the grammatical mistakes have a nice ring to them. Congrats to the creative troller.
On another note, Twitter so much about your personal #barnd that people like Boot post this crud and, as Steve said, don’t even get the joke. Twatter: removing the emperor’s clothes since 2011.
I dislike violence but it’s not hard to see why Jews have been subject to so much if it over the ages.
Yes, tailors, petty merchants, jewelers, and pawn brokers are just awful people who deserve whatever they get from hoodlums working on behalf of those who 'dislike violence'.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-42731363
Jewish immigrants from India were actually not allowed to marry outside their community by the Israeli rabbinical authority.
Herr Schicklgruber would have been proud.
Oh yes, a ridiculous religious decree temporarily banning religious intersect marriage for a two whole years from 1962-1964. That’s just like Hitler.
2) Apparently Max follows Evan McMuffin on Twitter. That pretty much tells you all you need to know.
Like Art Deco?
“I invasion a beautiful future. . .” SNL?
Where did it say they were for closed borders in Israel? All the American Jewish organizations are going crazy about Israel deporting illegal immigrants. Sarah Silverman’s sister (who lives in Israel) is going to hide them in her house. (Hopefully she will go to jail if she tries this stunt).
https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-01-19/hundreds-israeli-rabbis-say-they-will-personally-hide-african-asylum-seekers
There have been recent changes in the Israeli fence : if Hillary’s Chihuahua barks twice, then the IDF lets it crawl through a mail slot :
Boot’s vile anti-Swiss bigotry hits Steve close to home. He’s only one step away from spouting the usual tired canards about Swiss cheese and watches. Sailer must be literally shaking!
An army full of foreigners sure would be useful for an authoritarian government that wanted to deploy troops against its own citizens.
Which is what Boot has advocated.
Yeah, just like importing cheap labour, using foreign troops worked just fine for the Romans.
Steve Sailer – your argument would be convincing if you can show that any of the American-Jews who support open borders in the US (such as Max Boot or Brett Stephens), also support closed borders in the US.
But you haven’t posted any evidence of this – which means there is some kind of joke here, which not only are people not getting, but which doesn’t exist in the first place, as I doubt any of them don’t want Israel to house tens of thousands of refugees.
Israel itself is full of people like this (Brett Stephens, Max Boot, are a ‘dime a dozen’ in Israel) who have been agitating against deporting the illegal immigrants from Africa in Israel (despite the fact they have gone a massive crime wave in the areas they settled – far away from the leafy Ashkenazi surburbs).
It’s taken years to get past the Supreme Court – and every week the media in Israel is posting stories desperately trying to sway public opinion. Last month, the Israel public broadcasting organization even had a long report (interviewing football coaches and so on) about how Israel is going to lose a generation of talented football players if they deport them.
The ‘open borders’ people in the United States, if/when shown that the Israeli government takes a different position – will feel more distant and upset with the Israeli government.
As for commentators claiming this is ‘interference’. There are the members of the American Jewish community who tried to use outside funding to replace the current government. with the V15 ‘One Voice Israel’ campaign – so there is not a lack of people ‘putting their money where their mouth is’ when it comes to politics. New Israel Fund, which funds all the pro-illegal immigrant obstacles in court, receives $30 million a year from the American Jewish community.
Examples of bad double standards by Steve's favorite minority are numerous; see comment 65 below for one of them. Well, or just look at Max Boot: he is all for immigration in the US, but thinks it anti-semitic to call for the same in Israel. I don't think all countries must have the same approach to the subject, but heck, it shouldn't be out of limits to discuss any of the possible approaches.
From the Jewish Daily Forward:
"The anti-refugee movement, instigated by politicians but comprised of working class residents born and raised in South Tel Aviv, has a clear message. They blame the refugees for the problems in their neighborhoods, and they want them deported. The movement’s leader, Sheffi Paz, a middle-aged Ashkenazi lesbian and former supporter of the left-wing Meretz party, lives in the Shapira neighborhood of south Tel Aviv. She clearly spews hatred and wants to expel the refugees, who she – like Benjamin Netanyahu — calls “cancerous infiltrators.” She rails against the presence of African children in Israeli schools. Determined to make their lives miserable, a neighborhood resident told me that she pours water on slides at parks where these children play."
https://forward.com/scribe/392033/the-untold-story-of-racism-against-israels-african-refugees
Up your game sir.
Huckster middlemen can only thrive within a high-trust, highly-ordered society.
They are religiously Hindu, but look, let’s say, a little different than your average South Asian.
Can we please deport Max Boot and PNG him?
Which makes sense because who is this guy anyway? I've never heard of him except as mentioned here. Even in a big country like ours I find it hard to believe there are 100k people who are both Twitter users and care about the lame shilling this loser puts out. There aren't THAT many neocon wonks in the swamp, are there?
Agreed. Probably 7-10K legit followers. Very easy to buy followers. And he would need to for legitimacy.
Are you sure you haven’t confounded Rubin with Tamar Jacoby? Rubin’s never done a Bloggingheads episode (Jacoby and Kaus did one three years ago). She did do a podcast with Kaus, but from this summary
https://ricochet.com/archives/left-coastright-coast-with-kaus-and-rubin-17-stand-your-ground/
It doesn’t look like they discussed immigration.
Immigration politics in the United States is one of the most prominent vulnerabilities of the Neo-Conservative faction in the Republican Party. This is one reason why Neo-Conservative whore politicians such as Lindsey Graham push the “America is just an idea” line of crud.
The Neo-Conservatives want to make the White ancestral core of the United States believe that the United States has no fixed identity rooted in blood and soil. The Neo-Conservatives want to continue to use the US military as muscle to fight on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.
This “America is just an idea” propaganda then allows the Neo-Conservatives the chance to keep the military objectives of the American Empire extremely vague with no set goals or strategic interests stated clearly. The US military is not fighting for anything real or tangible, but for some hazy notions of “freedom and democracy.”
Immigration will be the issue that obliterates the unassimilated interlopers in the Neo-Conservative faction of the Republican Party.
I see this also in human rights concerns in South-east Asia where criticism of the 'evil' of governments being unwelcoming to illegal migrants and refugees is always couched in terms of 'rights', 'values' and the various international affirmations of such things.
There is almost no discussion of the reality of economic migration and the likelihood that the hard-luck stories are fake. There is never any plan proposed for how these people might return to their homelands once the 'danger' is over (that might influence local reception) because they are held to be permanent victims. Absolutely never any question of asking the local populations their opinion.
This emphasis on abstract ideas comes ultimately from Western institutions and activists like Human Rights Watch, neocons etc. etc. who view classic nation-states as anachronistic and people as interchangeable units.
Without the West's liberals the whole Human Rights-open borders complex will collapse leaving national interests and the notion, as coherent nations, that one is polite and humane to guests but not a sucker.
This is why the West is widely hated and why few sympathize as it crumbles under foreign invasion. The real world has little sympathy for fools, even ones that once ruled the world.
Southern Lebanon has long been a stateless society occupied by hostile paramilitaries (the PLO, Hezbollah). If the paramilitaries don't wish to be shot to pieces, they can quit sending in infiltrator-terrorists and shelling border towns.
Any plans for Purim? Speaking of Purim, you need to learn the lessons of that false flag more intimately Moishe. You give away the game so quickly. Jewish hegemony in the west has made you hectoring and lazy. We haven’t swept up their guns yet!
Max Boot’s ability to bullshit his way to a spot in the foreign policy apparatus of the American Empire is another reason for the White Core American Patriots to fight for a television and radio presence in the United States. If the White Core American Patriots had their own television stations and networks, they could use that power to destroy unassimilated interlopers such as Max Boot.
Just think of the power that the current globalizer TV networks have. It is an immense power that must be taken away from them. President Trump knows that his voter base wants to see the corporate media destroyed so as to allow patriotism and honor to return to America.
Hopefully, Trump will targetize both Comcast and Google. Tens of millions of White Core Americans will gladly fight for Trump in order to destroy Google and Comcast and all the other anti-White and anti-Christian propaganda outlets.
https://ricochet.com/archives/left-coastright-coast-with-kaus-and-rubin-17-stand-your-ground/
It doesn't look like they discussed immigration.
No, Wilkey is correct. I listened to several of the “Left Coast – Right Coast” podcasts Rubin did with Kaus and in one of them he did indeed challenge her to defend why she wants America to have open borders and Israel not to. Of course, she responded with the “that’s not who we are but it is who Israel is” defense.
It was a surreal show because Rubin was supposed to be the conservative and Kaus the liberal, but mostly it seemed the reverse.
That sort of argument rather begs the question, but it isn't egregious. Leon Wieseltier has on multiple occasions denounced figures in British public life for resisting and critiquing immigration and Martin Peretz a generation ago was known for asides on the superiority of 'civic nations' to 'ethnic nations'. Both stances (against the backdrop of their other views) actually are egregious.
Charles Cooke has recently offered a cutting assessment of Rubin's writings over the last year or so. Rubin's a lapsed lawyer, which may account for her weird inconsistency re matters of policy from one point in time to another: the argument depends on who the client is and what his interests are. (One suspects the clients in question are Rubin's series of emotional reactions to the news on any given day).
Israel and the USA are leaders here. Given Israel's habit of invading Southern Lebanon, we probably will not have to wait too long for a demo.
That’s a terrible idea. Drones don’t have the franchise and can’t vote for Chelsea Clinton.
You have convinced me, Lot! Based on Gurkha loyalty and hard work they have proven themselves as excellent diversity candidates for Israel. Forget trying to draft Orthodox and Neturei Karta type Jews in Israel. Just import loyal, hard-working Gurkhas and give them Israeli citizenship. It would be a double win for Israel: new legions of loyal soldiers and diversity, too!
Playing the race card. If Boot says open borders policy and multicultural society is good for U.S. then the same open borders and multicultural society should apply in Israel. Unless your a rascist.
The Saul Alinsky tactic of making the enemy behave according to their own values is starting to work: https://www.jta.org/2018/01/16/news-opinion/united-states/us-jewish-groups-ratchet-up-calls-on-israel-not-to-expel-african-migrants
The pressure needs to be increased until the Overton window has immigration restriction at its center.
Still time to reverse this car: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT2jqOAU8AAydN-?format=jpg
Will southern Baptist types like me and a few guilt riddled Germans be the last zionists on Earth not in Israel?
Why have you taken to subscribing to the poisonous fantasies of some of your votaries?
all the wars he had helped bring about
He didn't 'help bring about' wars any more than you prevented any. He's an opinion journalist, not a policy-maker. He's on the patronage of the Council on Foreign Relations. Unlike Walter Lippmann ca. 1940 or George Will ca. 1985, he's not known to be a must-read among policy-makers. Unlike Jeane Kirkpatrick ca. 1980, he's not known to have caught the attention of a crucial gatekeeper. Charles Blow writes op-ed pieces too.
You’re getting off point. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If open borders is good for America then it’s good for Israel…unless you’re a racist.
Of course, she responded with the “that’s not who we are but it is who Israel is” defense.
That sort of argument rather begs the question, but it isn’t egregious. Leon Wieseltier has on multiple occasions denounced figures in British public life for resisting and critiquing immigration and Martin Peretz a generation ago was known for asides on the superiority of ‘civic nations’ to ‘ethnic nations’. Both stances (against the backdrop of their other views) actually are egregious.
Charles Cooke has recently offered a cutting assessment of Rubin’s writings over the last year or so. Rubin’s a lapsed lawyer, which may account for her weird inconsistency re matters of policy from one point in time to another: the argument depends on who the client is and what his interests are. (One suspects the clients in question are Rubin’s series of emotional reactions to the news on any given day).
Rubin is an intolerant bigot that hates the traditional Right, and most leftists have never seen her as skillful.
What would be groundbreaking... would be seeing a National Review writer caller her out as a racist.
Why do you always carry water for people who would like to simply define our country out of existence?
Let’s see, how does something stop being a “precious commodity?” By opening it up to everyone.
Mediocrity is sometimes all you need if you have tenacity, focus and ruthlessness. It also makes it easier if your prey are snoozing.
Israel’s Jewish Essence Is Non-Negotiable: A Response to Mahmoud Abbas
By Menachem Rosensaft
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/israels-jewish-essence-is_b_995736.html
White Nationalism: A Scourge That Won’t Go Away
By Menachem Rosensaft
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/peter-brimelow_b_1338565.html
Nationalism for me but not for thee…..
So being pro-diversity in Israel is anti-Semitic? Interesting.
By Menachem Rosensaft
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/israels-jewish-essence-is_b_995736.html
White Nationalism: A Scourge That Won’t Go Away
By Menachem Rosensaft
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/peter-brimelow_b_1338565.html
Nationalism for me but not for thee.....
Jewish hypocrisy at its finest.
Which makes sense because who is this guy anyway? I've never heard of him except as mentioned here. Even in a big country like ours I find it hard to believe there are 100k people who are both Twitter users and care about the lame shilling this loser puts out. There aren't THAT many neocon wonks in the swamp, are there?
“I’ve never heard of him. ..”
Despite his presence at the editorial pages of the WSJ and PBS?
Speaking of prime space and time, some years ago he spoke at a Chicago Tribune street level room on Michigan Ave and the river. Now that’s prime.
The talk was free so I thought I’d go, but admission was restricted to those who preregistered. (I don’t remember the weather outside, but the heat was pretty high over the Iraq business.)
When I grew up, pre-internet, the options for learning about current affairs were few. Options included:
1. The local newspaper, pitched at maybe 85-90 IQ readers, publishing liberal boilerplate (I believe they syndicated Leonard Pitts along with George Will)
2. The WSJ, i.e. the "conservative" alternative, pitched at 100+ IQ readers, prominently featuring the editorials of Max Boot, Holman Jenkins, George Melloan, Gertrude Himmelfarb, etc.
I don't think I'd ever heard of the National Review, New Republic, etc.
Given those two options, it was easy to choose #2. I remember being easily convinced by the WSJ's powerfully written editorials against occupational licensing, the Northeast Dairy Compact, for school vouchers, Israel, etc. Basically Milton Friedman 101. I'm sure they published whoever was the equivalent of Lindsey Graham back then (perhaps Henry "Scoop" Jackson).
So, years later, I have an instinctive recognition of Max Boot as a "real" pundit, due to his think tank/ print media credentials. I think it's not very common or natural to be able to respond to ideas based on their merit, as opposed to the instinctive cues of status or tribal affiliation of the person voicing them.
It is alright to be anti-American in Boot’s view as long as those Americans are white Christians.
Why have you taken to subscribing to the poisonous fantasies of some of your votaries?
all the wars he had helped bring about
He didn't 'help bring about' wars any more than you prevented any. He's an opinion journalist, not a policy-maker. He's on the patronage of the Council on Foreign Relations. Unlike Walter Lippmann ca. 1940 or George Will ca. 1985, he's not known to be a must-read among policy-makers. Unlike Jeane Kirkpatrick ca. 1980, he's not known to have caught the attention of a crucial gatekeeper. Charles Blow writes op-ed pieces too.
He was part of PNAC, so you’re mistaken.
No, I'm not mistaken. PNAC is a defunct advocacy group that at its peak employed all of four people. Boot was a 28 year old nobody when it was formed. It was run by Wm. Kristol, who is an opinion journalist.
As an Israeli, we would certainly appreciate it if you would stop using our immigration policies to bash Jewish Americans for their misguided opinions regarding America’s borders. We are not responsible for their hypocrisy.
We are pointing out things that are true. Do we not have a right to point out things that are true? Why shouldn't we bring it up? Becuase it's an effective tactic?
Steve & Co. don't want open borders for Israel - they want to pester media hacks that support immigration restrictions in another country but can't even imagine why would anyone support this in the country they live.
The biggest article castigates Israelis because they like Trump. What’s wrong with Israelis that they like the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler, Donald Trump? How can we American Jews teach the ignorant Israelis that Trump is the epitome of evil?
American Jewish publications are a caricature of Jewish activism and politics.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-42731363
Jewish immigrants from India were actually not allowed to marry outside their community by the Israeli rabbinical authority.
Herr Schicklgruber would have been proud.
I’m not an expert on how things work in Israel but I don’t think that meant they couldn’t legally marry outside the community. The state of Israel would not have prohibited that. It’s more that (probably only Orthodox) rabbis would refuse to perform the ceremony and wouldn’t recognize the results.
Which makes sense because who is this guy anyway? I've never heard of him except as mentioned here. Even in a big country like ours I find it hard to believe there are 100k people who are both Twitter users and care about the lame shilling this loser puts out. There aren't THAT many neocon wonks in the swamp, are there?
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TV is still where it's at. Even on Twitter people mostly follow the people whom they've seen on TV.
That sort of argument rather begs the question, but it isn't egregious. Leon Wieseltier has on multiple occasions denounced figures in British public life for resisting and critiquing immigration and Martin Peretz a generation ago was known for asides on the superiority of 'civic nations' to 'ethnic nations'. Both stances (against the backdrop of their other views) actually are egregious.
Charles Cooke has recently offered a cutting assessment of Rubin's writings over the last year or so. Rubin's a lapsed lawyer, which may account for her weird inconsistency re matters of policy from one point in time to another: the argument depends on who the client is and what his interests are. (One suspects the clients in question are Rubin's series of emotional reactions to the news on any given day).
Why does anyone need a “cutting assessment” of Jennifer Rubin?
Rubin is an intolerant bigot that hates the traditional Right, and most leftists have never seen her as skillful.
What would be groundbreaking… would be seeing a National Review writer caller her out as a racist.
https://ricochet.com/archives/left-coastright-coast-with-kaus-and-rubin-17-stand-your-ground/
It doesn't look like they discussed immigration.
Google both their names together and a post about it on VDare by Steve Sailer is the top link.
Rubin’s reply to Kaus: “That`s because the difference is, America is founded on a different principle. Israel is founded on the principle of being a Jewish state. The Arabs have 22 or 23 of them, or 29 of them, I lose track. Israel was founded on the premise, that`s what Zionism is–a state of the Jews. And people don`t like it, but that`s what it`s about. America is not founded on the principle of America for White People or America for Europeans. It is founded really on an idea. And that idea, if people are willing to assimilate, and I`m a big advocate of assimilation, should not be restricted on the basis of race or religion or language, as long as they are willing to eventually learn English and be part of the body politic. It`s a completely different situation bw the United States and Israel.”
The link to the actual video appears to be dead, or possibly behind the paywall on Ricochet, if anyone has access. Not sure if it’s still available elsewhere, but I absolutely remember watching it, too.
Note here that she doesn't say "she" doesn't like it but that "people" don't like it - as in other people don't like it. Nowhere in there does she suggest her own personal distates for Israel's Jewish Supremacist policies.
And I didn't have to Google this to remember it was Rubin, not Jacoby. Jacoby looks like a dude. Rubin actually looks like a woman.
Rubin: “Israel was founded on the premise, that`s what Zionism is–a state of the Jews. And people don`t like it, but that`s what it`s about. America is not founded on the principle of America for White People or America for Europeans.”
Note here that she doesn’t say “she” doesn’t like it but that “people” don’t like it – as in other people don’t like it. Nowhere in there does she suggest her own personal distates for Israel’s Jewish Supremacist policies.
And I didn’t have to Google this to remember it was Rubin, not Jacoby. Jacoby looks like a dude. Rubin actually looks like a woman.
Is Max Boot autistic? Has he renounced Dubya and all his racist policies in order to fit in with his new fans?
Which makes sense because who is this guy anyway? I've never heard of him except as mentioned here. Even in a big country like ours I find it hard to believe there are 100k people who are both Twitter users and care about the lame shilling this loser puts out. There aren't THAT many neocon wonks in the swamp, are there?
His non-Altright followers are probably lefties who just remember him as a Bush neocon.
Why have you taken to subscribing to the poisonous fantasies of some of your votaries?
all the wars he had helped bring about
He didn't 'help bring about' wars any more than you prevented any. He's an opinion journalist, not a policy-maker. He's on the patronage of the Council on Foreign Relations. Unlike Walter Lippmann ca. 1940 or George Will ca. 1985, he's not known to be a must-read among policy-makers. Unlike Jeane Kirkpatrick ca. 1980, he's not known to have caught the attention of a crucial gatekeeper. Charles Blow writes op-ed pieces too.
Sauce for the goose. After all, America is subject to Boot’s poisonous fantasies……
Haven’t you heard? W is getting the “strange, new respect” treatment from the MSM these days. Remember, killing Muslims overseas is OK, but not wanting them to immigrate to the USA/Europe is doubleplusungood.
Dunno. The fellows who passed the 1790 Naturalization Act seemed to think otherwise:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790
You mean this idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution
You know, the nice thing about ideas is that they are easily transportable. So, if Mexicans want to have the American idea, they could just stay in Mexico and read the essentials: Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Federalist Papers, etc. That way, they wouldn’t even have to be willing to assimilate….
Southern Lebanon has long been a stateless society occupied by hostile paramilitaries (the PLO, Hezbollah). If the paramilitaries don't wish to be shot to pieces, they can quit sending in infiltrator-terrorists and shelling border towns.
I didn’t say invading southern lebanon was a bad habit.
In general Muslims give all the nearby non Muslims a casus belli every day and twice on Ramadan.
If memory serves, Israel doesn’t have civil marriage. So, if you can’t get the religious authorities to sign off on your marriage, that means hopping on a plane to Cyprus.
For crying out loud, Max Boot, it's not as if ancient Rome made out really well by following your ignorant recommendation.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
And history will teach us nothing.
As all evidence demonstrates.
OT. Steve. Don’t know if you’re familiar with this. Interesting stuff here.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/sundance-film-festival-debuts-dark-tale-of-jewish-triplets-split-at-birth/
I dislike violence but it’s not hard to see why Jews have been subject to so much if it over the ages.
Yes, tailors, petty merchants, jewelers, and pawn brokers are just awful people who deserve whatever they get from hoodlums working on behalf of those who ‘dislike violence’.
You know, many people here are over the top in their accusations against Da Joos, but you have a tendency to just as over the top. Reverse stupidity is not wisdom.
You are certainly from a more subtle branch of the Hasbara Brigade, but nonetheless, if the shoe fits...
Frankie P
This is a “whatabout” accusation of hypocrisy to accuse Israel of having aggressive borders preserving their ethno-religious identity and holding the opposite moral expectation of the US.
The accusation of anti-semitism is a deflection. And ultimately, there is no good defense for the hypocritical double standard. I’ve heard some say, Jews as a group are historical victims and therefore
are entitled to an exclusive nation state that aggressively excludes others, while non-Jewish whites don’t qualify for this global status as privileged victims. This is absurd. And a simple deflection of anti-semitism is safer than making such an absurd justification.
Like Ilana Mercer, I’m pro Israel, pro-Netanyahu, but this whatabout cry is fully justified, the hypocritical expectations are unreasonable, and there should be reasonable consistent global rules on right of migration vs rights to have exclusive identities or government representation.
Norway is deporting “dreamers” to afghanistan, which, to borrow a phrase, is a bigger shithole than mexico…
http://abcnews.go.com/International/norwegian-teen-fighting-deportation-afghanistan-hope/story?id=52428560
Even the grammatical mistakes have a nice ring to them. Congrats to the creative troller.
On another note, Twitter so much about your personal #barnd that people like Boot post this crud and, as Steve said, don't even get the joke. Twatter: removing the emperor's clothes since 2011.
Yeah, I noticed the use of “invasion” too. Hilarious!
Tucker Carlson mocks Max Boot over the subject of aligning ourselves with Russia to bring down Isis.
Max Boot can’t stand Tucker’s advocacy of a Russia/US alliance which might end the USA’s destabilization of the Middle East. A Syria that exists under Assad is still a threat to Israel in Boot’s head.
First we destroy and destabilize, as an organized threat Iraq, then Libya, then Syria, and finally Iran.
and then who else is left to pose a real threat to ‘the only democracy in the middle east’ and ‘our greatest ally?’
Max Boot cannot stand it that Tucker would not treat his words with reverence and as oracular and from on high.
You Dont F*ck with the Tuck!
It is one of his ten best… IMO.
The Near East is unstable because of their own social dynamic, not because of anything done to them by the United States (or Israel).
Huh?
He was part of PNAC, so you’re mistaken.
No, I’m not mistaken. PNAC is a defunct advocacy group that at its peak employed all of four people. Boot was a 28 year old nobody when it was formed. It was run by Wm. Kristol, who is an opinion journalist.
Confessional tribunals in Israel and Lebanon to adjudicate matters of personal status are leftover from the Ottoman period. Replacing them has never been a priority in Israel. Ministries were commonly dependent on votes from the religious parties which wished to retain them. Cross-confessional marriages have to be solemnized abroad.
Israel and the USA are leaders here. Given Israel's habit of invading Southern Lebanon, we probably will not have to wait too long for a demo.
Just like there will never, ever be any more need for aircraft to carry guns since all air-to-air encounters will be done by missiles. At least that is what they thought in the 1950s.
There is no doubt drones and such are becoming more important. But to occupy and hold territory you are always going to need soldiers on the ground
Also, "occupy and hold" is hopefully something neither the US or Israel attempts elsewhere in the mideast. Our ambitions should not extend beyond "pacify and punish." Israel should keep what it won and still wants from the 67 war and garrison itself there.
I don't want the US to occupy and hold any hostile territory either. In fact, we should de-occupy Puerto Rico.
What about David Brooks’ son? How do we get him in our military?
Uncle Sam Wants Tu
Te, not tu. They sing “te quiero” on Spanish radio, not “tu quero”. It’s called declension. English makes similar distinctions: he/her, I/me.
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TV is still where it’s at. Even on Twitter people mostly follow the people whom they’ve seen on TV.
That is a convincing endorsement for Protonmail. I may be getting an account.
I get that, but in looking up the constitution of Israel I was surprised to find that they have no written constitution.
What does this mean, “the inability of different groups in Israeli society to agree on the purpose of the state, on the state’s identity…’? I am assuming they all agreed about being the Jewish state. What was the purpose or identity that they could not agree on?
I think at the time the live question was the relation of the Jewish state to the religion of Judaism.
No way they could have agreed on a constitution
Yes, tailors, petty merchants, jewelers, and pawn brokers are just awful people who deserve whatever they get from hoodlums working on behalf of those who 'dislike violence'.
Are you accusing Andrew of having hoodlums working for him?
You know, many people here are over the top in their accusations against Da Joos, but you have a tendency to just as over the top. Reverse stupidity is not wisdom.
Are you always this literal-minded?
I have seen some news that certain Jewish groups are against Israel’s plan to deport the Africans. But are they going crazy? Are they doing anything concrete to show that they really oppose this policy, or are they just doing lip service for public consumption?
I ask because I haven’t yet seen any of these Jewish organizations call for boycotting Israel, or for ending US aid to Israel. I haven’t seen any of these organizations stage a massive sit-in at the Israeli embassy like they just did in the Capitol Rotunda over DACA.
Why have you taken to subscribing to the poisonous fantasies of some of your votaries?
all the wars he had helped bring about
He didn't 'help bring about' wars any more than you prevented any. He's an opinion journalist, not a policy-maker. He's on the patronage of the Council on Foreign Relations. Unlike Walter Lippmann ca. 1940 or George Will ca. 1985, he's not known to be a must-read among policy-makers. Unlike Jeane Kirkpatrick ca. 1980, he's not known to have caught the attention of a crucial gatekeeper. Charles Blow writes op-ed pieces too.
V0taries? That’s insulting, but I’ve come to expect nothing less from you. No, we’re just people who are interested in what Steve has to say, because he has interesting things to say. We are NOT interested in what you have to say, because you have nothing interesting to say.
Obviously, almost nobody is interested in what YOU have to say; your website is an emtpty wasteland. When Art Deco speaks, people don’t listen, apparently.
What do you think the purpose of opinion journalism is, you stupid ass? It is to influence opinion. In Boot’s case it is to influence opinion – both public and elite opinion – in the service of a particular agenda, which includes fomenting wars:
From his Wiki bio:
That doesn’t sound like somebody with no influence. He sounds like somebody with a fair amount of influence. He “teaches” American army officers, among his other propaganda pursuits. Do YOU teach at the General Staff College? Boot swims among the big fish of Washington and regularly talks to them, in order to spread his poisonous fantasies.
Just because you are an insignificant nobody, doesn’t mean that everyone is. Steve is influential, and you are not, and that really seems to gnaw at you.
Somewhere in the middle of the second season, Mr. Sulu wandered off the Enterprise to go play Green Beret with John Wayne in the jungles of North Carolina.
No, some of them are. “Some of” /= “All”.
That sort of argument rather begs the question, but it isn't egregious. Leon Wieseltier has on multiple occasions denounced figures in British public life for resisting and critiquing immigration and Martin Peretz a generation ago was known for asides on the superiority of 'civic nations' to 'ethnic nations'. Both stances (against the backdrop of their other views) actually are egregious.
Charles Cooke has recently offered a cutting assessment of Rubin's writings over the last year or so. Rubin's a lapsed lawyer, which may account for her weird inconsistency re matters of policy from one point in time to another: the argument depends on who the client is and what his interests are. (One suspects the clients in question are Rubin's series of emotional reactions to the news on any given day).
No, it is egregious – when you define some other people’s country – actual people with an actual country that has its’ own history and traditions – as “just an idea”.
Why do you always carry water for people who would like to simply define our country out of existence?
Your observations point to the difference between reality and propaganda.
Why is it, I wonder, that Art Deco always wants to go to the mat for people who are so hostile to our country?
Indeed, I don’t think anyone has compiled a reliable list on the subject ; but then, I also think that if done, no list would ever be considered good enough, comprehensive enough, significative enough.
Examples of bad double standards by Steve’s favorite minority are numerous; see comment 65 below for one of them. Well, or just look at Max Boot: he is all for immigration in the US, but thinks it anti-semitic to call for the same in Israel. I don’t think all countries must have the same approach to the subject, but heck, it shouldn’t be out of limits to discuss any of the possible approaches.
We are not responsible for their hypocrisy either.
We are pointing out things that are true. Do we not have a right to point out things that are true? Why shouldn’t we bring it up? Becuase it’s an effective tactic?
New Zealand and Britain have a body of constitutional law rather than a discrete charter. There are a number of statutes in Israel that define the political architecture.
I think at the time the live question was the relation of the Jewish state to the religion of Judaism.
It would be in other circumstances a somewhat jejune question to ask why a few dozen Jews making a scene at the U.S. Capitol imposes some sort of obligation on Hy Goldberg in Brooklyn Heights (or Avi Yaron in Tel Aviv, while we’re at it).
1. Max Boot thinks open borders are a great idea.
2. Mr. Boot's correspondent wants Israel to have open borders.
3. Therefore, Mr. Boot's correspondent LOVES Israel.
But Mr. Boot believes his correspondent hates Israel because he wants Israel to have open borders. No further proof is needed to demonstrate that Mr. Boot is a racist piece of shit who wants open borders for other people's countries but not for a country where his own ethnic group is the majority.
No, Boot believes his correspondent is anti-semitic because they’re clearly not on Boot’s side and trying to make fun of him or trick him somehow.
Boot may not understand the joke (or does he?), but he understands they’re not on his side, and they’re talking about Israel, therefore anti-semitic. QED.
You know, when she says America was “founded” on such-and-such principles, she’s not thinking of actual history. Or maybe she is, and is merely an ignoramus.
But giving her the benefit of the doubt, let’s say invoking the Founding is part of the form of political argument in this country. Like how we close deals with handshakes.
The Neo-Conservatives want to make the White ancestral core of the United States believe that the United States has no fixed identity rooted in blood and soil. The Neo-Conservatives want to continue to use the US military as muscle to fight on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.
This "America is just an idea" propaganda then allows the Neo-Conservatives the chance to keep the military objectives of the American Empire extremely vague with no set goals or strategic interests stated clearly. The US military is not fighting for anything real or tangible, but for some hazy notions of "freedom and democracy."
Immigration will be the issue that obliterates the unassimilated interlopers in the Neo-Conservative faction of the Republican Party.
An absolutely key insight. Believing that loose values and ideas are one’s governing motives for action open the door to ignorance, charlatanism, willful manipulation and, ultimately, disaster when reality proves overpowering.
I see this also in human rights concerns in South-east Asia where criticism of the ‘evil’ of governments being unwelcoming to illegal migrants and refugees is always couched in terms of ‘rights’, ‘values’ and the various international affirmations of such things.
There is almost no discussion of the reality of economic migration and the likelihood that the hard-luck stories are fake. There is never any plan proposed for how these people might return to their homelands once the ‘danger’ is over (that might influence local reception) because they are held to be permanent victims. Absolutely never any question of asking the local populations their opinion.
This emphasis on abstract ideas comes ultimately from Western institutions and activists like Human Rights Watch, neocons etc. etc. who view classic nation-states as anachronistic and people as interchangeable units.
Without the West’s liberals the whole Human Rights-open borders complex will collapse leaving national interests and the notion, as coherent nations, that one is polite and humane to guests but not a sucker.
This is why the West is widely hated and why few sympathize as it crumbles under foreign invasion. The real world has little sympathy for fools, even ones that once ruled the world.
That’s a disingenuous dodge. His point was that jewish groups in America that support open borders in the US take serious, active measures in support of that goal, whereas jewish groups in America who support african immigration into Israel just issue a few pronouncements. That was his point, your dissembling aside, and it appears to be true.
Yes, tailors, petty merchants, jewelers, and pawn brokers are just awful people who deserve whatever they get from hoodlums working on behalf of those who 'dislike violence'.
Got what was coming to them. Color me
…and continue to serve from their homeland of Nepal.
The pressure needs to be increased until the Overton window has immigration restriction at its center.
Still time to reverse this car: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT2jqOAU8AAydN-?format=jpg
Dunno if it ever occurred to me or not but I like Israelis way more than I do ordinary American Jews and their crack like addiction to status signaling….are they going to BDS Israel too?
Will southern Baptist types like me and a few guilt riddled Germans be the last zionists on Earth not in Israel?
I don’t blame all Mormons for what Jeff Flake, Orrin Hatch, Mitt Romney or even the leader of their church believes, but at least, on the matter of immigration, Mormons (in Utah) have shown a willingness to occasionally toss out the guanoloco open borders types (Bennett, Cannon) in favor of politicians who openly oppose amnesty. And in the cases of Flake and Hatch, their last election victories hinged on them lying by claiming themselves to be opposed to amnesty.
But the politics of Jewish voters seems to be pretty much in sync with open borders for the US but closed borders for Israel. Probably all but maybe two Jewish congressmen would vote for amnesty, not a one of them need fear being challenged by their Jewish constituents. And to pretend they aren’t objecting because Israel is a foreign country would be absurd. There is absolutely no shortage of prominent American Jews willing to tell the UK and Hungary and Australia what they should do about immigration, membership in the EU, or pretty much anything else.
Wow, the “… but no open borders for Israel hypocracy” meme must be seen as a very big threat because literally every single time it is brought up multiple persons appear with counter arguments. Hasbara must have sent out a memo that this kind of argument is a top priority.
So far, the counter arguments are rather lame. It is so obviously true that to say it is not makes you look ridiculous, not unlike the recent shitholegate with people comeing out and saying Haiti is just as nice as Norway.
People know this. It’s just that inducing these hacks to talk about Israel is a simple, funny, and effective way of showing how poorly thought are their opinions on immigration/nationalism.
Steve & Co. don’t want open borders for Israel – they want to pester media hacks that support immigration restrictions in another country but can’t even imagine why would anyone support this in the country they live.
Here’s one for all of you who think we’re hypocrites. Israel’s best-known authors (and almost all the high-brow ones) cry for the Africans: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/prominent-israeli-authors-pen-netanyahu-to-not-deport-asylum-seekers-1.5745563
If you only knew how your lame deceptions lead people to the conclusion that not only are jews more trouble than they are worth - ie co-existence is impossible. But that you are the true enemy. I would encourage you to spend some time on this, although I believe it's psychologically impossible for jews to admit fault. Good luck.
Sailer’s post was about Max Boot receiving a troll email from a fake charity called “Open Borders for Israel”, and how Max Boot responded to it by saying it was “bizarre” and “anti-Semitic”.
Max Boot, literally, doesn’t support “Open Borders for Israel”.
So it appears you also “didn’t get the joke”.
Some of the bizarre, anti-Semitic email in question:
Yes, tailors, petty merchants, jewelers, and pawn brokers are just awful people who deserve whatever they get from hoodlums working on behalf of those who 'dislike violence'.
No, Art, it’s not the tailors, petty merchants, jewelers and pawn brokers who cause the massive retaliation, it’s the tax collectors, the rent collectors, the moneylenders who charged exhorbinant rates to the goys while lending at next to zero interest to their co-religionists (just in keeping with the Talmud). It’s when these folks gain influence on the corrupt Goy aristocracy and start deploying it in their own intersts, gutting the economic life of the grass roots, the farmers, the little men. And finally, when the little men have been near to pounded into the earth, they rise up as one… the results are history, and have been history, again and again, in Europe, in the Middle East, in near Asia.
You are certainly from a more subtle branch of the Hasbara Brigade, but nonetheless, if the shoe fits…
Frankie P
You can see these separated-at-birth triplets who were reunited around age 20 in the 1980s movie “Desperately Seeking Susan.”
https://d3dupjkkwlat3o.cloudfront.net/940597843612/8288693/1400w
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTM1ODAwMDc2NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjUzNzg3MQ@@._V1_UY317_CR14,0,214,317_AL_.jpg
According to studies of their genetic ancestry, they’re originally the descendants of Tibetans who migrated into South Asia.
Anti-racist Hitler trolls Israel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og
This’ll really get Max’s head bursting.
As a famous man once wrote, “At the outset they depended on the stupidity of their opponents.” You realize some of us read the jewish press which is intended for jewish consumption (vs. the carefully- paired down “goy” news)?
From the Jewish Daily Forward:
“The anti-refugee movement, instigated by politicians but comprised of working class residents born and raised in South Tel Aviv, has a clear message. They blame the refugees for the problems in their neighborhoods, and they want them deported. The movement’s leader, Sheffi Paz, a middle-aged Ashkenazi lesbian and former supporter of the left-wing Meretz party, lives in the Shapira neighborhood of south Tel Aviv. She clearly spews hatred and wants to expel the refugees, who she – like Benjamin Netanyahu — calls “cancerous infiltrators.” She rails against the presence of African children in Israeli schools. Determined to make their lives miserable, a neighborhood resident told me that she pours water on slides at parks where these children play.”
https://forward.com/scribe/392033/the-untold-story-of-racism-against-israels-african-refugees
Up your game sir.
Call us when they are fired from their job/and attacked verbally and physically.
If you only knew how your lame deceptions lead people to the conclusion that not only are jews more trouble than they are worth – ie co-existence is impossible. But that you are the true enemy. I would encourage you to spend some time on this, although I believe it’s psychologically impossible for jews to admit fault. Good luck.
I see this also in human rights concerns in South-east Asia where criticism of the 'evil' of governments being unwelcoming to illegal migrants and refugees is always couched in terms of 'rights', 'values' and the various international affirmations of such things.
There is almost no discussion of the reality of economic migration and the likelihood that the hard-luck stories are fake. There is never any plan proposed for how these people might return to their homelands once the 'danger' is over (that might influence local reception) because they are held to be permanent victims. Absolutely never any question of asking the local populations their opinion.
This emphasis on abstract ideas comes ultimately from Western institutions and activists like Human Rights Watch, neocons etc. etc. who view classic nation-states as anachronistic and people as interchangeable units.
Without the West's liberals the whole Human Rights-open borders complex will collapse leaving national interests and the notion, as coherent nations, that one is polite and humane to guests but not a sucker.
This is why the West is widely hated and why few sympathize as it crumbles under foreign invasion. The real world has little sympathy for fools, even ones that once ruled the world.
Harsh, but basically true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HjVipLZYns
Max Boot can't stand Tucker's advocacy of a Russia/US alliance which might end the USA's destabilization of the Middle East. A Syria that exists under Assad is still a threat to Israel in Boot's head.
First we destroy and destabilize, as an organized threat Iraq, then Libya, then Syria, and finally Iran.
and then who else is left to pose a real threat to 'the only democracy in the middle east' and 'our greatest ally?'
Max Boot cannot stand it that Tucker would not treat his words with reverence and as oracular and from on high.
You Dont F*ck with the Tuck!
It is one of his ten best... IMO.
That’s a funny clip. It really does get Max’s goat when Tucker questions his role as a moral arbitrar. Max Boot really does have zero capacity for self reflection. If I had gotten the Iraq war as badly as he did, I would change my career. Boot just doubles down on stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HjVipLZYns
Max Boot can't stand Tucker's advocacy of a Russia/US alliance which might end the USA's destabilization of the Middle East. A Syria that exists under Assad is still a threat to Israel in Boot's head.
First we destroy and destabilize, as an organized threat Iraq, then Libya, then Syria, and finally Iran.
and then who else is left to pose a real threat to 'the only democracy in the middle east' and 'our greatest ally?'
Max Boot cannot stand it that Tucker would not treat his words with reverence and as oracular and from on high.
You Dont F*ck with the Tuck!
It is one of his ten best... IMO.
Max Boot can’t stand Tucker’s advocacy of a Russia/US alliance which might end the USA’s destabilization of the Middle East.
The Near East is unstable because of their own social dynamic, not because of anything done to them by the United States (or Israel).
Obviously, almost nobody is interested in what YOU have to say; your website is an emtpty wasteland. When Art Deco speaks, people don't listen, apparently.What do you think the purpose of opinion journalism is, you stupid ass? It is to influence opinion. In Boot's case it is to influence opinion - both public and elite opinion - in the service of a particular agenda, which includes fomenting wars:
From his Wiki bio:That doesn't sound like somebody with no influence. He sounds like somebody with a fair amount of influence. He "teaches" American army officers, among his other propaganda pursuits. Do YOU teach at the General Staff College? Boot swims among the big fish of Washington and regularly talks to them, in order to spread his poisonous fantasies.
Just because you are an insignificant nobody, doesn't mean that everyone is. Steve is influential, and you are not, and that really seems to gnaw at you.
Apparently you are too embarrassed to address the point at hand. So - getting back to your flagrant lying - why did you lie? Why do you maintain that Max Boot has no influence? Is that why people are given sinecures at the CFR and guest columns in the prestige press? To NOT have influence?
And why do you - proprietor of an obscure and virtually unvisited website - think that anyone hear gives a damn about the drivel you spew?
You know, many people here are over the top in their accusations against Da Joos, but you have a tendency to just as over the top. Reverse stupidity is not wisdom.
Are you accusing Andrew of having hoodlums working for him?
Are you always this literal-minded?
I just skimmed through this weeks edition of The Los Angeles Jewish Journal.
The biggest article castigates Israelis because they like Trump. What’s wrong with Israelis that they like the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler, Donald Trump? How can we American Jews teach the ignorant Israelis that Trump is the epitome of evil?
American Jewish publications are a caricature of Jewish activism and politics.
Not necessarily OT:
I read that soon after being elected President in 1952, Dwight Eisenhower said the U.S. Army should not have too many foreigners. He didn’t mean NO foreigners, just not a foreign legion type thing.
Which is what Boot has advocated.
It was probably extreme orthodox vs orthodox vs native born mizrahs vs Russian and polish immigrants vs communists vs communists who were Soviet spies, vs economic socialists vs free love atheist vegetarian socialists.
No way they could have agreed on a constitution
Judging by the Israeli media, most people in Israel are opposed to Islamic immigration into western countries. And they aren’t even that keen on more Jews moving to crowded Israel, especially if they are left-liberals who don’t like fighting Arabs. Similarly, most diaspora Jews who support Islamic immigration into the West are left-liberals who also oppose Israel’s immigration policies.
The only real hypocrites are American neoconservative Jews, who represent a relatively small percentage of global Jewry, but are highly conspicuous among talking heads in New York and Washington.
Thank you for your comment. Boot and Rubin are absolute hypocrites to put it mildly. Israel has the right to close their borders and so do we.
TV is still where it's at. Even on Twitter people mostly follow the people whom they've seen on TV.
Imagine what would happen if they let Steve on TV….
No one seems to be responsible for Jewish hypocrisy; least of all the Jews. It’s a cohenundrum.
Cuz, those “few dozen Jews making a scene” (along with all the others doing similar things) are killing this country. And the only people who can talk sense to Jews without being shouted down as anti-Semites are other Jews. So if Hy Goldberg in Brooklyn Heights does NOT support what “the few dozen Jews are doing,” does NOT want his country — and mine — ruined by them, it is beholden on him to do something about it, cuz he and other Jews are the only ones who CAN.
Yeah, that one you’re going to have to prove, rather than just assert it.
I think that’s flattering yourself, a bit, don’t you? You’re not nearly as smart as Inspector Clouseau.
Apparently you are too embarrassed to address the point at hand. So – getting back to your flagrant lying – why did you lie? Why do you maintain that Max Boot has no influence? Is that why people are given sinecures at the CFR and guest columns in the prestige press? To NOT have influence?
And why do you – proprietor of an obscure and virtually unvisited website – think that anyone hear gives a damn about the drivel you spew?
You want to tell me who returns his phone calls? He's never held a public office in his life, he was never in the military, nor did he hold an academic position. He produces copy for newspapers. George Will was a personal friend of Nancy Reagan and consequential officials of the Reagan Administration (e.g. the budget director). Ditto Wm. Buckley. Victor Davis Hanson living out in small town California was at least consulted by policy-makers (Richard Cheney) on occasion. Where's Boot in this mix?
And why do you – proprietor of an obscure and virtually unvisited website – think that anyone hear gives a damn about the drivel you spew?
Cannot imagine. There is this fellow who obsessively follows me about hurling volleys of insults. I guess he doesn't care or something.
I’m with commenter JSM on this. I would need to see some proof of that assertion, because my own impression is quite a bit different. There are some prominent Jews who support restricting immigration – even legal immigration – but most whom I have seen express an opinion on the subject in the media, whether they are liberal or nominally conservative, support fairly liberal legal immigration. And often, even of muslims.
The Near East is unstable because of their own social dynamic, not because of anything done to them by the United States (or Israel).
Right, and our intervention in Iraq just made things peachy.
Have you considered changing your handle from “Art Deco” to “Colostomy Bag”?
………..cause your almost always full of s**t.
Steve & Co. don't want open borders for Israel - they want to pester media hacks that support immigration restrictions in another country but can't even imagine why would anyone support this in the country they live.
I don’t think that their opinions are necessarily “poorly thought out”. For some of them it is because they actually think that one standard should apply for Israel and another for every other country, and they were counting on people not noticing.
Are you always this literal-minded?
Only when I deal with people who think “It’s not hard to see why X happens” reads the same as “people DESERVED that X happened and I fully support it”. It’s a good way to dispell the paranoia.
When the 'provocations' are fictitious, it's a distinction without a difference.
Maybe, but I believe that there is a lot of lazyness too. It is difficult to defend double standards explicitly, but it can be done; some of them do it effectively. Boot, however, does not defend himself when challenged, he tries to shut down the debate. This may be strategy, of course, but may also just be because he never really thought much about how to justify his feelz on the subject. You know, if he thinks too much he may get uncomfortable with his own reasoning…
Based on the picture associated with the article, it looks like Andy Samberg could be one of their long lost sons.
Really? Do people within the halls of power and elite opinion all strike you as being lazy? I think people like Max Boot know perfectly well what they are doing. They very much want an ethnically pure Israel, and also very much want an America that is an ethnic jumble. Both desires are conscious and both stem from the same motive – to increase the power and influence of their own tribe.
It is a shame that America has been captured by such hucksters.
How is that strategy evidence of higher IQ?
Or maybe he’s just not very smart.
By Menachem Rosensaft
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/israels-jewish-essence-is_b_995736.html
White Nationalism: A Scourge That Won’t Go Away
By Menachem Rosensaft
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/peter-brimelow_b_1338565.html
Nationalism for me but not for thee.....
Dmitry my friend, your silence is deafening.
Don’t laugh. Crying and showing how much they “care” is far more meaningful than actually keeping the Africans in Israel. At least their hearts are in the right place.
A side benefit is no awkward “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner” moments at Seder.
Apparently you are too embarrassed to address the point at hand. So - getting back to your flagrant lying - why did you lie? Why do you maintain that Max Boot has no influence? Is that why people are given sinecures at the CFR and guest columns in the prestige press? To NOT have influence?
And why do you - proprietor of an obscure and virtually unvisited website - think that anyone hear gives a damn about the drivel you spew?
Apparently you are too embarrassed to address the point at hand. So – getting back to your flagrant lying – why did you lie? Why do you maintain that Max Boot has no influence? Is that why people are given sinecures at the CFR and guest columns in the prestige press? To NOT have influence?
You want to tell me who returns his phone calls? He’s never held a public office in his life, he was never in the military, nor did he hold an academic position. He produces copy for newspapers. George Will was a personal friend of Nancy Reagan and consequential officials of the Reagan Administration (e.g. the budget director). Ditto Wm. Buckley. Victor Davis Hanson living out in small town California was at least consulted by policy-makers (Richard Cheney) on occasion. Where’s Boot in this mix?
And why do you – proprietor of an obscure and virtually unvisited website – think that anyone hear gives a damn about the drivel you spew?
Cannot imagine. There is this fellow who obsessively follows me about hurling volleys of insults. I guess he doesn’t care or something.
Right, and our intervention in Iraq just made things peachy.
What’s notable in Iraq is the diminished capacity of their Sunni population to undertake collective action for anything but destructive purposes.
There have been since 1945 a score of insurgencies and interstate wars in the Near East and adjacent areas which dragged on and on and which, for the most part, external powers were bit players if they were present at all. I’m sure it pleases conspirazoids in Arab cafes to believe the Israel or the U.S. did this to them. You’re not doing them any favors by succoring stupidity.
Only when I deal with people who think “It’s not hard to see why X happens” reads the same as “people DESERVED that X happened and I fully support it”.
When the ‘provocations’ are fictitious, it’s a distinction without a difference.
I didn’t realize you had a website. Would you mind providing a link?
There is no doubt drones and such are becoming more important. But to occupy and hold territory you are always going to need soldiers on the ground
That is true now. But are you really that sure that in ten years a standard Israeli Gaza/Lebanon invasion can’t be done almost entirely with remote operated death robots? How about in 2035?
Also, “occupy and hold” is hopefully something neither the US or Israel attempts elsewhere in the mideast. Our ambitions should not extend beyond “pacify and punish.” Israel should keep what it won and still wants from the 67 war and garrison itself there.
I don’t want the US to occupy and hold any hostile territory either. In fact, we should de-occupy Puerto Rico.
Agree. Just consider how we’d view the Afghanistan campaign and the Iraq Attack if we just pacified and punished them instead of doing the old occupy and hold strategy.
“…occupy and hold” is hopefully something neither the US or Israel attempts elsewhere in the mideast…”
“Tillerson Says U.S. Troops to Stay in Syria Beyond Battle With ISIS”, GARDINER HARRISJAN, New York Times, Jan 17, 2018:
You want to tell me who returns his phone calls? He's never held a public office in his life, he was never in the military, nor did he hold an academic position. He produces copy for newspapers. George Will was a personal friend of Nancy Reagan and consequential officials of the Reagan Administration (e.g. the budget director). Ditto Wm. Buckley. Victor Davis Hanson living out in small town California was at least consulted by policy-makers (Richard Cheney) on occasion. Where's Boot in this mix?
And why do you – proprietor of an obscure and virtually unvisited website – think that anyone hear gives a damn about the drivel you spew?
Cannot imagine. There is this fellow who obsessively follows me about hurling volleys of insults. I guess he doesn't care or something.
Who returns his phone calls? I don’t know. Neither do you. He certainly talks to more people in positions of power than you or I do. Do you honestly think that only people who hold public office have influence? They are more acted upon than actors. And he teaches staff officers. As I said – it sounds like he has a lot of influence.
I hardly follow you around. You camp out on this site and excrete your condescending wrongheaded drivel like you were a prophet of God. Why don’t you and your two or three fans decamp to your worthless website and stay there. At least you’d get some traffic that way. I insult you because insults are all you merit. I’ll stop when you leave, dips**t.
Nobody claimed they were paradises before. Far from it. They were s**tholes – a good reason not to get involved with them. But US hasn’t seemed to have helped them any, has it? And if you think it has, you are welcome to go there and put your own miserable hide in the game, you preening clown.
Illegals are required to register with Selective Service. Legal aliens are not, unless they’ve applied for citizenship or permanent residence.
The Selective Service System has been pretty moribund for the last several decades. I say put them to work on an audit of all foreign-born males under the age of 26. The legal ones have nothing to fear.
I was being sarcastic… a little. Very Hindu-looking chaps, these:
It’s a blog to which I haven’t posted in some years and to which never posted much. There isn’t much there. I argue back and forth with people but seldom see anything that provokes an interest in making remarks de novo, something I discovered after setting it up.
Despite his presence at the editorial pages of the WSJ and PBS?
Speaking of prime space and time, some years ago he spoke at a Chicago Tribune street level room on Michigan Ave and the river. Now that’s prime.
The talk was free so I thought I'd go, but admission was restricted to those who preregistered. (I don't remember the weather outside, but the heat was pretty high over the Iraq business.)
I agree with your implied point — a 27-year-old might not get it, but there are still many millions of Americans over 40 (even a majority?) whose sense of what is legitimate and “real” is shaped by the legacy mainstream media.
When I grew up, pre-internet, the options for learning about current affairs were few. Options included:
1. The local newspaper, pitched at maybe 85-90 IQ readers, publishing liberal boilerplate (I believe they syndicated Leonard Pitts along with George Will)
2. The WSJ, i.e. the “conservative” alternative, pitched at 100+ IQ readers, prominently featuring the editorials of Max Boot, Holman Jenkins, George Melloan, Gertrude Himmelfarb, etc.
I don’t think I’d ever heard of the National Review, New Republic, etc.
Given those two options, it was easy to choose #2. I remember being easily convinced by the WSJ’s powerfully written editorials against occupational licensing, the Northeast Dairy Compact, for school vouchers, Israel, etc. Basically Milton Friedman 101. I’m sure they published whoever was the equivalent of Lindsey Graham back then (perhaps Henry “Scoop” Jackson).
So, years later, I have an instinctive recognition of Max Boot as a “real” pundit, due to his think tank/ print media credentials. I think it’s not very common or natural to be able to respond to ideas based on their merit, as opposed to the instinctive cues of status or tribal affiliation of the person voicing them.
OK, thanks anyway.
So, having failed at your own blog, you decided to s**t all over this one.
When I grew up, pre-internet, the options for learning about current affairs were few. Options included:
1. The local newspaper, pitched at maybe 85-90 IQ readers, publishing liberal boilerplate (I believe they syndicated Leonard Pitts along with George Will)
2. The WSJ, i.e. the "conservative" alternative, pitched at 100+ IQ readers, prominently featuring the editorials of Max Boot, Holman Jenkins, George Melloan, Gertrude Himmelfarb, etc.
I don't think I'd ever heard of the National Review, New Republic, etc.
Given those two options, it was easy to choose #2. I remember being easily convinced by the WSJ's powerfully written editorials against occupational licensing, the Northeast Dairy Compact, for school vouchers, Israel, etc. Basically Milton Friedman 101. I'm sure they published whoever was the equivalent of Lindsey Graham back then (perhaps Henry "Scoop" Jackson).
So, years later, I have an instinctive recognition of Max Boot as a "real" pundit, due to his think tank/ print media credentials. I think it's not very common or natural to be able to respond to ideas based on their merit, as opposed to the instinctive cues of status or tribal affiliation of the person voicing them.
There is another thing you didn’t mention. Boot isn’t just a pundit. He is a CFR member and holds some kind of sinecure at a think-tank. He writes position papers that get circulated to government officials. He lectures at places like the US War College and General Staff College, so he is molding the minds of military officers. He sits on those panels that get broadcast on C-SPAN; you might not care about those, but a lot of policy makers do. Moreover, he gets invited to dinners, cocktail parties, official Washington functions of all kinds. He can talk to people in the mens room, the elevator, at the bar. He’s not the only such person; there are lots of peole like that – think-tank denizens you might not have heard of, but Congressmen, and undersecretaries and administrators for this or that, and staff colonels and generals sure have. That is a real kind of influence, and consequently a real kind of power that nobody here has.
Thank you for repeating what the other guy said.