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Commenter Cagey Beast directs our attention to this tweet from neocon Max Boot:

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Problem in EU is failure to assimilate Muslim immigrants. US has done better job, but Trump attacks alienate Muslims & threaten security.

 
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  1. I bet the EU has better Mexican immigrants.

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  2. If EU can’t assimilate the Muslims that is has, then that’s a great reason to invite a million more in every year.

    #neoconlogic

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    • Replies: @John Cunningham
    How about assimilating these Mooselimb goat-f#ckers into ships and sending them back to Crapholeistan?
    , @Maj. Kong
    Muh 'Murrican exceptionalism
  3. So the solution for Europe is more Muslim immigration, to show we care. That will solve the problem of Islamic terrorism in Europe.

    If more Muslim immigration does not work in stopping Islamic terrorism, it is the fault of Europe for not caring enough about the needs of its new Muslim residents, or for acting as if terrorist outrages might be the fault of Muslims rather than the fault of the white European power structure.

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  4. Maybe Boot could explain how Stalin would do a better job of assimilating immigrants?

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Maybe Boot could explain how Stalin would do a better job of assimilating immigrants?
     
    Uncle Joe had his solutions for recalcitrant minorities:

    Kenneth Christie, Historical Injustice and Democratic Transition in Eastern Asia and Northern Europe: Ghosts at the Table of Democracy (2002)
    Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonians (1940-41): 85,000 deported, of which 55,000 killed or died
    Baltics executed during reconquest (1944-45): 30,000
    Postwar partisan war
    Lithuanians: 40-50,000 k.
    Latvian: 25,000
    Estonians: 15,000

    Richard Overy, Russia's War (1997)

    Deaths resulting form ethnic cleansing operations (Chechens, etc) in WW2: 231,000

    Ethnic operations during the Great Terror (1937-38): 247,157 deaths, of which 111,091 were ethnic Poles


    etc, etc, etc,
    , @Erik Sieven
    Stalin is the only person I know who was able to handle Chechens
  5. Okay, so Boot moves from insidious to preposterous.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    Okay, so Boot moves from insidious to preposterous.
     
    Hey, how could you. The guy is considered a leading US authority on Russia and her military. In fact, Max Boot is a mirror of US political class;-)
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    Yep, clearly the best thing to do with people who will murder you if you anger them is to get as many of them as possible to come to your country.

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    Trump Nomination Could Bring Down World Economy

    http://fortune.com/2016/03/21/donald-trump-gundlach/

    Yeah, the ‘Trump Threatens Global Security’ meme is on the march. Probably hatched at the Sea Island confab.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    These media and political traitors and their lying propaganda need to be archived to use in their future prosecutions.
  8. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Currahee
    Okay, so Boot moves from insidious to preposterous.

    Okay, so Boot moves from insidious to preposterous.

    Hey, how could you. The guy is considered a leading US authority on Russia and her military. In fact, Max Boot is a mirror of US political class;-)

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  9. Boot is parroting the typical neocon position. Muslim “extremists” must be fought however Muslim immigration into the West can never be questioned nevermind stopped. Whenever something bad happens in Europe, it’s always the fault of the Europeans and their failure to “integrate”.

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    • Replies: @Fredrik
    Yes,
    but even that argument is a step forward compared to what it's been like. At least now it's possible to tell the truth about what certain immigrants(or rather a significant subset of that population) are like. Previosly that was not possible in polite company.
  10. Their first principle is to prevent nationalism for Europeans while supporting it for Israel. All explanations for all events must conform to this priority.

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  11. @Bert
    Boot is parroting the typical neocon position. Muslim "extremists" must be fought however Muslim immigration into the West can never be questioned nevermind stopped. Whenever something bad happens in Europe, it's always the fault of the Europeans and their failure to "integrate".

    Yes,
    but even that argument is a step forward compared to what it’s been like. At least now it’s possible to tell the truth about what certain immigrants(or rather a significant subset of that population) are like. Previosly that was not possible in polite company.

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  12. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The problem in Israel is its failure to assimilate its Muslim citizens.

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    • Replies: @Big Bill

    The problem in Israel is its failure to assimilate its Muslim citizens.
     
    What can we do to help the Israelis assimilate their Muslims? Insist on a one-state solution that integrates Gaza, Israel and the West Bank? Insist that Israel drop the racial and ethnic identification on all ID cards? Insist that Israel immediately institute secular/civil marriage and divorce laws? Withhold all further civil and military assistance until they do?

    [Jesus, you think some intelligent American Jews would b!tch-slap this Max guy and tell him not to queer things for the rest of them, but no.]
  13. “Problem in EU is failure to assimilate Muslim immigrants. US has done better job, but Trump attacks alienate Muslims & threaten security.”

    Most Belgian people are extremely politically correct Liberals and do not bash Muslims like Donald Trump does, yet their security was still threatened by Muslim extremists. How would Max Boot explain this?

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  14. US has done better job

    Is he using the death count criteria? I think that’s a well-known measure of assimilation. If so, then perhaps he has a point. Just like, say, 4.5% unemployment is ‘full employment’, maybe we can agree on a number of deaths that represents ‘full assimilation’. We could define and measure that per capita — that way, if we let in millions more, and the death count did not rise substantially, then we could still reach a per capita death count statistic that would mean ‘full assimilation’. Congratulations to us.

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  15. @Tex
    Maybe Boot could explain how Stalin would do a better job of assimilating immigrants?

    Maybe Boot could explain how Stalin would do a better job of assimilating immigrants?

    Uncle Joe had his solutions for recalcitrant minorities:

    Kenneth Christie, Historical Injustice and Democratic Transition in Eastern Asia and Northern Europe: Ghosts at the Table of Democracy (2002)
    Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonians (1940-41): 85,000 deported, of which 55,000 killed or died
    Baltics executed during reconquest (1944-45): 30,000
    Postwar partisan war
    Lithuanians: 40-50,000 k.
    Latvian: 25,000
    Estonians: 15,000

    Richard Overy, Russia’s War (1997)

    Deaths resulting form ethnic cleansing operations (Chechens, etc) in WW2: 231,000

    Ethnic operations during the Great Terror (1937-38): 247,157 deaths, of which 111,091 were ethnic Poles

    etc, etc, etc,

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    As Stalin, that great hero of Max Boot, supposedly said, "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic."

    But your numbers seem low, at least compared to what I recall from the Black Book of Communism.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/0674076087
  16. Too bad Boot didn’t say he would have voted for Hitler over Trump. Then he would have been declared persona non grata, and we would never have to listen to him again. But no, he only said he would have preferred Stalin to Trump. So not only did he not get deported to a political Siberia, he is still treated as someone whose opinion matters.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Too bad Boot didn’t say he would have voted for Hitler over Trump. Then he would have been declared persona non grata, and we would never have to listen to him again. But no, he only said he would have preferred Stalin to Trump. So not only did he not get deported to a political Siberia, he is still treated as someone whose opinion matters."

    What if Max Boot had said he would rather vote for George Zimmerman or Darren Wilson over Donald Trump, would he have been deported to a political Siberia?

    For people on the Left end of the political spectrum, are Darren and George seen as worst than Joseph Stalin?
  17. That did not take long. Witch doctors. If we do not appease the storm god by taking down all of these lightning rods, which offend him, the storm god will strike us.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Yes the neocons are "high priests of a low cult". All globalists are really. People need to keep asking these experts like Max Boot "who are you exactly?".

    I almost wish we lived in a real HG Wells type of technocracy and our "experts" actually had to be certified in some reality-based way. I don't think Boot would make the cut.
  18. Its incidents like this in Belgium and the one in San Bernardino as to why Jeb Bush and Little Marco had to drop out of the presidential race. 2016 is not a good year to run as a politically correct Republican, when there is much anger on the paleoconservative nativist Right.

    Jeb Bush and Little Marco were running their campaigns like it was 2004, when the Right was not angry.

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  19. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population.

    A very small minority assimilates better than a big one does. In some European cities, Muslims are the MAIN minority. Also, ultra-liberalism of EU tries to make whites assimilate to diversity than other way around.

    Also, US has less culture and history than Europe. It’s easy to ‘assimilate’ to eating Big Mac and watching Hollywood movies if that has indeed become the essence of American Culture and identity.

    If black population had been 1%, who knows? They might have melted into rest of America.
    But being much bigger, assimilation has been difficult.

    More Muslims that US has, more Muslims will assert themselves and assimilate less.

    Also, Neocons certainly didn’t assimilate well into the GOP base. Had they done so, people like Boot wouldn’t be throwing a fit because many white conservatives don’t want to be bossed around by Jewish conservatives who make up less than 1% of conservatives.

    One thing for sure, Israel hasn’t done such a great job in assimilating Palestinians. Walls seem to keep going up on the basis that assimilation is futile.

    And Univ of Ill doesn’t seem to be assimilating Steven Salaida very well.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population."

    I disagree with you that Muslims are assimilating well into U.S society. They make up a disproportionate percentage of terrorists and mass shooters in the U.S, for a group that makes up less than 1 percent of The U.S population.

    How many angry White male mass shootings like Columbine would there be if Whites made made up 1 percent or less of The U.S population? The answer is none.

    Whites are not known for disproportionate amounts of crimes, but Muslims are.

    , @Massimo Heitor

    A very small minority assimilates better than a big one does. In some European cities, Muslims are the MAIN minority. Also, ultra-liberalism of EU tries to make whites assimilate to diversity than other way around.
     
    It's the dose that makes the poison.
  20. @iSteveFan
    Too bad Boot didn't say he would have voted for Hitler over Trump. Then he would have been declared persona non grata, and we would never have to listen to him again. But no, he only said he would have preferred Stalin to Trump. So not only did he not get deported to a political Siberia, he is still treated as someone whose opinion matters.

    “Too bad Boot didn’t say he would have voted for Hitler over Trump. Then he would have been declared persona non grata, and we would never have to listen to him again. But no, he only said he would have preferred Stalin to Trump. So not only did he not get deported to a political Siberia, he is still treated as someone whose opinion matters.”

    What if Max Boot had said he would rather vote for George Zimmerman or Darren Wilson over Donald Trump, would he have been deported to a political Siberia?

    For people on the Left end of the political spectrum, are Darren and George seen as worst than Joseph Stalin?

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  21. @Anonymous
    The problem in Israel is its failure to assimilate its Muslim citizens.

    The problem in Israel is its failure to assimilate its Muslim citizens.

    What can we do to help the Israelis assimilate their Muslims? Insist on a one-state solution that integrates Gaza, Israel and the West Bank? Insist that Israel drop the racial and ethnic identification on all ID cards? Insist that Israel immediately institute secular/civil marriage and divorce laws? Withhold all further civil and military assistance until they do?

    [Jesus, you think some intelligent American Jews would b!tch-slap this Max guy and tell him not to queer things for the rest of them, but no.]

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What can we do to help the Israelis assimilate their Muslims? Insist on a one-state solution that integrates Gaza, Israel and the West Bank?

    Yes.

    Insist that Israel drop the racial and ethnic identification on all ID cards?

    Yes, that, too.

    Insist that Israel immediately institute secular/civil marriage and divorce laws?

    That would also help show goodwill.

    Withhold all further civil and military assistance until they do?

    Yes, that is obvious.

    It is actually a true statement that the problem in Israel is its failure to assimilate its Muslim (and Christian) citizenry.

    It is also true that the problem in Europe and the United States is Israel's failure to assimilate its Muslim (and Christian) citizenry.

    --same Anonymous

    , @Dave Pinsen
    Israel's Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.
  22. Meanwhile, in Europe, they’re claiming that Muslims are so well integrated in the United States, while evil xenophobes like LePen, Wilders et al are alienating Muslims in Europe.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Meanwhile, in Europe, they’re claiming that Muslims are so well integrated in the United States...
     
    Yeah, if you consider running off to Nairobi or Aleppo to wage jihad, rather than doing it Stateside, to be "integration".
  23. @cwhatfuture
    That did not take long. Witch doctors. If we do not appease the storm god by taking down all of these lightning rods, which offend him, the storm god will strike us.

    Yes the neocons are “high priests of a low cult”. All globalists are really. People need to keep asking these experts like Max Boot “who are you exactly?”.

    I almost wish we lived in a real HG Wells type of technocracy and our “experts” actually had to be certified in some reality-based way. I don’t think Boot would make the cut.

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    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Yes the neocons are “high priests of a low cult”. All globalists are really. People need to keep asking these experts like Max Boot “who are you exactly?”.

     

    Well said. Neocons have much in common with SJWs: both, deep down, in their overweening pride, see themselves as saviors of the Great Other. Their methods differ, yes, but both deny the basic human agency of non-Western, non-white peoples, and take on themselves the ultimately Satanic task of trying to redeem them.
    , @cwhatfuture
    There is no point in asking Max Boot who he is and what makes him an authority. Our elites credential each other in some kind frenzied back slapping mating ritual that makes the tribes of New Guinea seem like Boston Brahmins. Who cares at this point what any of them say? You can believe them or your lying eyes.
  24. US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population.

    The Old South also did a better job of integrating European immigrants, because few came. There was already a glut of cheap labor.

    Canada assimilated her blacks better than we did, and we our French speakers better than they. All for the same reason.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population.


    The Old South also did a better job of integrating European immigrants, because few came. There was already a glut of cheap labor.

    Canada assimilated her blacks better than we did, and we our French speakers better than they. All for the same reason.
     
    Of course, it would be crimethink to actually notice the pattern....
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    Like psychics these neocon types never have their records of failure held against them. These charlatans always have their platforms for broadcasting their incompetent gibberish. Proven track record of failure=yet louder megaphones.

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  26. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Big Bill

    The problem in Israel is its failure to assimilate its Muslim citizens.
     
    What can we do to help the Israelis assimilate their Muslims? Insist on a one-state solution that integrates Gaza, Israel and the West Bank? Insist that Israel drop the racial and ethnic identification on all ID cards? Insist that Israel immediately institute secular/civil marriage and divorce laws? Withhold all further civil and military assistance until they do?

    [Jesus, you think some intelligent American Jews would b!tch-slap this Max guy and tell him not to queer things for the rest of them, but no.]

    What can we do to help the Israelis assimilate their Muslims? Insist on a one-state solution that integrates Gaza, Israel and the West Bank?

    Yes.

    Insist that Israel drop the racial and ethnic identification on all ID cards?

    Yes, that, too.

    Insist that Israel immediately institute secular/civil marriage and divorce laws?

    That would also help show goodwill.

    Withhold all further civil and military assistance until they do?

    Yes, that is obvious.

    It is actually a true statement that the problem in Israel is its failure to assimilate its Muslim (and Christian) citizenry.

    It is also true that the problem in Europe and the United States is Israel’s failure to assimilate its Muslim (and Christian) citizenry.

    –same Anonymous

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  27. @Anon
    US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population.

    A very small minority assimilates better than a big one does. In some European cities, Muslims are the MAIN minority. Also, ultra-liberalism of EU tries to make whites assimilate to diversity than other way around.

    Also, US has less culture and history than Europe. It's easy to 'assimilate' to eating Big Mac and watching Hollywood movies if that has indeed become the essence of American Culture and identity.

    If black population had been 1%, who knows? They might have melted into rest of America.
    But being much bigger, assimilation has been difficult.

    More Muslims that US has, more Muslims will assert themselves and assimilate less.

    Also, Neocons certainly didn't assimilate well into the GOP base. Had they done so, people like Boot wouldn't be throwing a fit because many white conservatives don't want to be bossed around by Jewish conservatives who make up less than 1% of conservatives.

    One thing for sure, Israel hasn't done such a great job in assimilating Palestinians. Walls seem to keep going up on the basis that assimilation is futile.

    And Univ of Ill doesn't seem to be assimilating Steven Salaida very well.

    “US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population.”

    I disagree with you that Muslims are assimilating well into U.S society. They make up a disproportionate percentage of terrorists and mass shooters in the U.S, for a group that makes up less than 1 percent of The U.S population.

    How many angry White male mass shootings like Columbine would there be if Whites made made up 1 percent or less of The U.S population? The answer is none.

    Whites are not known for disproportionate amounts of crimes, but Muslims are.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "I disagree with you that Muslims are assimilating well into U.S society."

    You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.
    Or Mexican drug gangs.

    Yes, there are some radical terrorist type, but they are rare.

    I'm NOT for Muslim immigration, but the current number of Muslims in the US is no big problem. But if US did have Europe-levels of Muslims, I see real trouble.

    I've met a bunch of Muslims in school and business. Most seem to be okay people.
    If anything, what bothers me is they are more into pop culture than I am. I've never met a Moo who didn't like Simpsons. I can't stand that stuff.
  28. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    @MaxBoot
    Problem in EU is failure to assimilate Muslim immigrants. US has done better job, but Trump attacks alienate Muslims & threaten security.

    And cyanide pills save thousands of lives each year by people not swallowing them.

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  29. @countenance
    Meanwhile, in Europe, they're claiming that Muslims are so well integrated in the United States, while evil xenophobes like LePen, Wilders et al are alienating Muslims in Europe.

    Meanwhile, in Europe, they’re claiming that Muslims are so well integrated in the United States…

    Yeah, if you consider running off to Nairobi or Aleppo to wage jihad, rather than doing it Stateside, to be “integration”.

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  30. Boys will be boys; we may expect Muslims will be Muslim. Tempting as it is to negotiate clichés, nothing speaks louder than the truth. Much of growing up is coming to an accord with these clichés, I have found, and admitting them as truisms. Some while back, a guy put a book out with the priggish title, The Tyranny of Clichés. I caught sight in Borders and simply slumped, and had to think that gravity truly is a tyrant.

    As I recall, the same author of that one had put out another book with a title that was something of a put-on, called Liberal Fascism. He and I had a brief correspondence, which ended in his ignoble defeat, following my trenchant riposte remonstrating him for having responded to my thoughtful inquiry with profanity, and he had actually called my opinion “shitty.”

    He thought he could out-cuss me or something, and then he just took his ball and slunk home head-down. Ugly words make people ugly, and that guy deserves to be called a great blogger—or a pseudo-intellectual who is actually a mule that does not respect fine distinctions, such as the difference between a cliché and a nostrum or a shibboleth.

    At first back in the day I used to get Boot mixed up with Michael Ledeen, the far more interesting neocon blunderbuss, until that annoying aformentioned author said something suggestive of the guy, along the lines of Ledeen’s proclivity for fascist movements with no regime, back when this dude had an entire everyday interminable blog devoted to his big dumb book about Liberals like Hitler.

    I have subsequently come to know that Michael Ledeen is insane, insomuch as one unhinged is by definition insane. I won’t go into it but the guy is batshit. And I see a few days ago Ted Cruz pinned him part of the team. That disappoints.

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  31. Clearly, Europe needs to be more welcoming, like this kind person:

    View post on imgur.com

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    • Replies: @inertial
    I wonder what in her world would be equal to what happened today. Someone posting a Muslim joke on Facebook? I just want to get a sense of the moral equivalence scale.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Flinders, 194 "Likes" is disheartening.
    , @G Pinfold
    Poor girl has been successfully indoctrinated. This is the only response she is conditioned to produce (apart from flowers and candles in the town square). And she believes that the direst provocation deserves the most tolerant response. She is only trying to please the men around her. These are the problem.
    , @J1234

    In my opinion, #stopislam trending is worse than what happened in my country today
     
    That's because you or a family member wasn't one of those who were blown up.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    J1234 is correct. The network effect of observing the kind of callous indifference exhibited by "Jitte" in the face of the most intense kind of human suffering will erode support for the Leftist imbecility that pollutes our civic discourse.

    The Left's resistance to practical measures that benefit the average citizen cannot be masked by their disgusting propaganda.
    , @Olorin
    Said the lady who wasn't killed or mangled....

    That's the death part. Then there's the sex part, so concisely observed by G Pinfold at comment 57 above.

    , @Anonymous
    She's an eloi.
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    U.S. is more effective? I guess in the case of the Farook brothers of SoCal it was 50% effective, on present evidence. Maybe you could even average it out to have a per-1000 Yelp rating on the Muslim population there… Actually that wouldn’t work unless the ratings were anonymous, not to mention ISIS-hacker-proof… Shoot…

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  33. The Neocons are better described as ‘Liberal Zionist Warmongers, they want wars in the middle-east and at the same open borders for resentful muslims in the West.

    The only country they really care about is Israel, they don’t care about the US or Europe or any other country.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    I read here and there that they're starting to care about China...and encourage Jews' moving there, and conversions as well.

    Think of the fresh blank slate!
  34. @Flinders Petrie
    Clearly, Europe needs to be more welcoming, like this kind person:
    http://imgur.com/is9Ield

    I wonder what in her world would be equal to what happened today. Someone posting a Muslim joke on Facebook? I just want to get a sense of the moral equivalence scale.

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    • Replies: @Flinders Petrie
    Shocking, isn't it? One could more easily make the argument that her mindset (and that of the regressive left) is just as sick and twisted as that of ISIS. One is willing to murder and maim; the other is willing to forgive the murderers and denigrate the victims to somehow appear virtuous.
  35. Did not know who this was, so I did some reading on Wikipedia, and as usual I am not surprised about his background.

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  36. America, for the love of God, please do not make the same mistakes that we have made in Europe.

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  37. Anti-Russian hysteria peddled by neocons like Max Boot is perfectly kosher however.

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  38. What’s all the fuss about? He’s just giving the US a little boot in the rear end over Muslims…

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  39. This is actually one of the less stupid things that Boot has said recently. It is true that America has done a better job of assimilating Muslims than Europe has done. And that, in large part, accounts for why there are more attacks there than here. (Other reasons include simple proximity and also closer operational links between Eur0-based radical Muslims and terror groups in the Muslim world).

    However, what Boot doesn’t get is that–to quote the Derb quoting Enoch Powell–numbers are of the essence. The larger a Muslim community in a non-Muslim country grows, the more separate it becomes, the more alienated, hostile and prone to radicalism.

    America is a sense then just “lucky” that our Muslim population is so much smaller (relatively) and dispersed than Europe’s. But of course if Boot had his way, we’d be taking in a billion more of them.

    In my opinion, we don’t need ANY and never did. But if you’re going to have them, fewer is always better than more.

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  40. @inertial
    I wonder what in her world would be equal to what happened today. Someone posting a Muslim joke on Facebook? I just want to get a sense of the moral equivalence scale.

    Shocking, isn’t it? One could more easily make the argument that her mindset (and that of the regressive left) is just as sick and twisted as that of ISIS. One is willing to murder and maim; the other is willing to forgive the murderers and denigrate the victims to somehow appear virtuous.

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    • Replies: @inertial
    But the good news is that #stopislam is trending, whatever good this will do in the real world.
    , @anon
    in a culture that promoted actual virtue ppl genetically inclined to virtue signal would be benign - in the past she might have volunteered at a hospital or something

    the sickness is they are signalling what the *media* - the current moral arbiters - say is virtue

    and at best the media is a tool of the cheap labor lobby and at worst malicious
  41. @Reg Cæsar

    US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population.
     
    The Old South also did a better job of integrating European immigrants, because few came. There was already a glut of cheap labor.

    Canada assimilated her blacks better than we did, and we our French speakers better than they. All for the same reason.

    US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population.

    The Old South also did a better job of integrating European immigrants, because few came. There was already a glut of cheap labor.

    Canada assimilated her blacks better than we did, and we our French speakers better than they. All for the same reason.

    Of course, it would be crimethink to actually notice the pattern….

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  42. Forty years ago I saw some fool at the Boston zoo provoke the Baboons, which it seemed was easy to do. Boot is right, the Muslims should not be provoked, but they should also be in a cage or sent back to their natural habitat.

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  43. In the wake of today’s events in Brussels, Hillary and Bernie called for more surveillance. This should be expected as historically the only way to keep the peace in multi ethnic society is to turn it into a police state. I.E. you fear the secret police more then you fear your ethnically different neighbor. But then Max Boot said he’d rather vote for Stalin then Trump so no surprise there either.

    To bad Rand Paul couldn’t connect those dot’s, pro liberty, pro rights needs homogeneity to work.

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    • Replies: @eah
    Hillary and Bernie called for more surveillance

    That's part of the tyranny in anarcho-tyranny.
    , @Frau Katze
    You've hit it: multikulti requires a police state. And the more multi it gets, the more strict the state.

    Iraq, very multi with Sunnis, Shiites, Christians, and Kurds and Arabs required extreme policing, which they got with Sadam Hussein.

    Libya, all Sunni, with a few minority non-Arabs, survived with the more moderate Gaddhafi.

    Syria is also very multi, and Assad Sr. ran a tight ship. He likely would have stamped out the revolt that has turned into a civil war.

    The percentage of Muslims in the US is still pretty low. Just give it time. They tend to have big families too. They easily outbreed the natives in Europe.
  44. @Flinders Petrie
    Clearly, Europe needs to be more welcoming, like this kind person:
    http://imgur.com/is9Ield

    Flinders, 194 “Likes” is disheartening.

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  45. I will give him this much tho: Max Boot is a max name, fo real. All God’s chillun got shoes, but if the dude was anymore max, well he would need the boot. That we may say, gratefully.

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  46. Muslims are integrating better in America, but the details of why that is makes leftists uncomfortable. They’re integrating here because we enforce minimum wage laws less zealously than the Europeans do. And thus, our Muslims are busy driving taxis 18 hours a day, while in Europe they sit on their butts dreaming of jihad unless they can wangle a corporate-type job.

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    • Replies: @cwhatfuture
    They are not integrating any better, there are simply less of them by percentage. North America is merely 20 years behind Europe, where 20 years ago, people said that the Muslims are integrating just fine. In 20 years, if we continue down this path, we will have the same issues exactly. Because there is no place on earth, where Muslim are an appreciable part of the non-Muslim population and have congregated in significant numbers, where they are not in conflict with the surrounding population. First it is called criminality and failure to integrate, then it is terror and even insurrection and then it is civil war.
    , @Wilkey
    "They’re integrating here because we enforce minimum wage laws less zealously than the Europeans do. And thus, our Muslims are busy driving taxis 18 hours a day, while in Europe they sit on their butts dreaming of jihad"

    There's a lot of truth to that. Our terrorism problem would be far worse if our share of Muslims were higher, but there's definitely something to be said for employment holding extremism in check. I've noticed in life that the more free time people have on their hands the more inclined they are to bitch and obsess about how badly they have it, no matter how well off they actually are. College students, the unemployed, and the elderly. A rough equation for fanaticism may be:

    Fanaticism = F * T^2

    Where F = free time, T = testosterone levels, with overt fanaticism declining somehwat with both age and lack of free time. Passive aggressive fanaticism is more constant with age. Elderly Muslims are probably more than happy to bitch about non-Muslims - where do you think the younger Muslims get their attitudes about Westerners? - but they're less inclined to go blow themselves up over it.

    , @anon
    Not true.

    Muslims in Europe are like Mexicans in the US - nearest source of cheap unskilled labor for the cheap labor lobby and so the vast majority are unskilled labor.

    There's no difference between Europe and the US with that demographic except numbers.

    The difference in the states is total numbers and the proportion of unskilled ppl to ppl who came via college.

    If Max Boot gets what he wants - importing cheap labor to sit permanently at the bottom of the pile getting angry - then the US will have exactly the same problem.

    Simply put unskilled immigrant labor can *never* have the life they think they will get in the West; they kinda could back in the 60s when the numbers were much smaller but not now so they sit at the bottom getting bitter and angry, raping 13 year olds or plotting jihad.

    And ppl like Max Boot are to blame for all of it.
  47. How about we send Europe our Latino illegal immigrants? They may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer, but they are not Muslim and they do not blow people up. They work hard and are ready, willing and able to help grow the population there without explosions. Think of it, Mexicans would fit into life in Spain a lot better than Moroccans do.

    Send the current, ungrateful migrants back from whence they came. They can transform their Muslim countries into the wonderful nirvanas that we heard they would make Europe. Send Frau Merkel with them.

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    Plenty of Hispanophone immigrants from the Americas in Spain. They are, I believe, the main source of immigration, not Africans or other Europeans.
  48. @James N. Kennett
    America, for the love of God, please do not make the same mistakes that we have made in Europe.

    We could say the same thing to you, Europe.

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  49. @Flinders Petrie
    Clearly, Europe needs to be more welcoming, like this kind person:
    http://imgur.com/is9Ield

    Poor girl has been successfully indoctrinated. This is the only response she is conditioned to produce (apart from flowers and candles in the town square). And she believes that the direst provocation deserves the most tolerant response. She is only trying to please the men around her. These are the problem.

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    What I find odd is that most of these people are secular, agnostic at best, atheist at worst. They probably deride Christians as 'Bible Thumpers'. Yet they behave as though they are pacifist Christians probably more so than actual Christians.
  50. I guess Boot is making sure that every Muslim atrocity in the US from now on will be blamed on Trump. Pretty neat move.

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  51. Marine Le Pen is the French Trump. She leaves the scum of that CNN hack in the dust here.

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  52. Give this crop of immigrants to America a generation or two…

    1. Continue to overpromise then to fail to deliver the American Dream to so many… no matter whether immigrant or native born no matter how long or for how many generations they or their families have been in the US

    2. Continue to fail to integrate the newcomers by continuing to emphasize divisions and diversity over unity and shared values.

    3. Continue to sow discord and hate with identity politics that tell minorities… even if they CHOOSE to come here… that they are victims and suffer the oppression and inequities of racism so they can cultivate their own ressentiment and political loyalty as reliable partisan clientele.

    4. Continue to supplicate to the vanguards of these “victim classes” by caving to their every demand and guaranteeing special favored consideration for any and all newcomers to compensate for discrimination

    5. To maximize friction and heat, mix well, but not too well
    (diversity + proximity = you know what)
    We wouldn’t want any of these distinct and incompatible vibrant elements actually blending and losing any of their distinct characteristics as the mainstream Leitkultur rubs off on them.

    Then America too can look forward to a bright and bloody future just like Europe already enjoys!

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  53. @George Taylor
    In the wake of today's events in Brussels, Hillary and Bernie called for more surveillance. This should be expected as historically the only way to keep the peace in multi ethnic society is to turn it into a police state. I.E. you fear the secret police more then you fear your ethnically different neighbor. But then Max Boot said he'd rather vote for Stalin then Trump so no surprise there either.

    To bad Rand Paul couldn't connect those dot's, pro liberty, pro rights needs homogeneity to work.

    Hillary and Bernie called for more surveillance

    That’s part of the tyranny in anarcho-tyranny.

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  54. @Big Bill

    The problem in Israel is its failure to assimilate its Muslim citizens.
     
    What can we do to help the Israelis assimilate their Muslims? Insist on a one-state solution that integrates Gaza, Israel and the West Bank? Insist that Israel drop the racial and ethnic identification on all ID cards? Insist that Israel immediately institute secular/civil marriage and divorce laws? Withhold all further civil and military assistance until they do?

    [Jesus, you think some intelligent American Jews would b!tch-slap this Max guy and tell him not to queer things for the rest of them, but no.]

    Israel’s Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Israel’s Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.

    Wrong. Israel denies a significant number of Muslim Israelis (residents of the West Bank) basic civil rights (formal citizenship, voting rights, right of travel) on account of their religion. And that is just one example.
    , @iSteveFan
    Maybe then they should take more.
    , @Big Bill
    I am sure that Muslims would be "better integrated" in Europe and America if we returned to the Israeli-style system we used to have a century ago.

    In Israel today (as in America a century ago) everybody knows where the lines are drawn and the cost of stepping over them.

    Belgians could start by bulldozing houses of collaborators. There must be dozens if not hundreds who looked the other way in Molenbeek.

  55. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Dave Pinsen
    Israel's Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.

    Israel’s Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.

    Wrong. Israel denies a significant number of Muslim Israelis (residents of the West Bank) basic civil rights (formal citizenship, voting rights, right of travel) on account of their religion. And that is just one example.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    If they don't have citizenship, they're not citizens. Some Arab residents of Israel turned down citizenship. Over 1 million are citizens. Compare their lot to that of Muslims in France or Belgium.
  56. Max Boot and his fellow Zionists, inter alia, make Islamic terrorism inevitable. In the west, of course – not in Zion. I saw this headline at Drudge:

    MAG: Islamic State Overwhelming European Counterterrorism Forces…

    Wrong. Western politicians and oligarchs are overwhelming western counterterrorism forces with their open-borders fanaticism.

    The west can easily handle Islamic terrorism. But the elite class’ open borders fanaticism is too much for any security apparatus to overcome.

    Wait until the Muslim populations in America are big enough, then we’ll see how much “better” American security forces handle the inevitable results of the elite class’ open borders fanaticism.

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  57. @Tex
    Maybe Boot could explain how Stalin would do a better job of assimilating immigrants?

    Stalin is the only person I know who was able to handle Chechens

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  58. A Social Justice Warrior stand up comedian named Joe DeRosa said on Twitter today that White guys should be racially profiled just as much as Muslims.

    Despite his Italian last name, he is ethnically Egyptian who was adopted by Italian parents.

    His Italian parents did a typical SWPL thing, by adopting a Non European child.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    White guys ARE ethnically profiled. What's all that "white male privilege" BS about?

    But you wouldn't expect a Molecko Gecko to know that.
    , @AndrewR
    >implying Italians and Egyptians aren't closely related
  59. Israel’s Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.

    No no, not them; the other Muslims. The ones that Israel “fails to integrate,” what with the Zionist Apartheid System, the Giant Walls, the shelling of population centers, etc.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I thought the concept of Greater Israel (one including all of the West Bank and Gaza) was discredited.
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    So Trump says “torture” today instead of “coercion” knowing full well the American people hate the idea of torture.

    All the guy has to say is “coercion” and he would alienate many fewer voters. But he won’t do that.


    “Well you know he may be talking, but he’ll talk a lot faster with the torture,” Trump said,

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-torture-waterboarding-brussels-221117

    I’m tired of being suckered by Trump. He knows damn well that no president ever talks like this. It’s sabotage.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    I’m tired of being suckered by Trump. He knows damn well that no president ever talks like this. It’s sabotage.
     
    Sometimes I am inclined to agree. You have to remember, he lives in a billionaire bubble where basically no one disagrees with him or tells him to shut up.

    At this point, I am just grasping at the Scott Adams straws, hoping he's right...
  61. Israel’s Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.

    I don’t think “integrated” is quite the right word:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/racism-standard-procedure/

    Jews and Arabs don’t really mix much in Israel. They attend separate schools from pre-kindergarten age (there are only 5 integrated state schools in the country where Arab and Jewish pupils learn together.) They live in separate cities and towns, with a few exceptions like Haifa and Lod; and even in these mixed municipalities, they tend to live in their ethnically defined neighborhoods. Organizations like Yad L’Achim and Lehava, which receive funding and the tacit approval of the Israeli government, exist in order to combat fraternization between the groups, especially between Jewish women and Arab men. There is no civil marriage option in Israel, which essentially places Jewish-Arab relationships permanently in the realm of the illegitimate.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Haifa is a fairly big exception, being Israel's 3rd largest city. How well integrated are Muslims in France's or Belgium's 3rd largest cities?

    Not saying Israel is some utopia of Muslim integration; such a thing doesn't exist. Just saying it seems to have worked better there than in Europe. Maybe because of necessity, or maybe because of the orientalist (in the 19th century sense) leanings of Zionism, that narrowed the cultural distance a bit.
  62. @Flinders Petrie
    Clearly, Europe needs to be more welcoming, like this kind person:
    http://imgur.com/is9Ield

    In my opinion, #stopislam trending is worse than what happened in my country today

    That’s because you or a family member wasn’t one of those who were blown up.

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  63. @Dave Pinsen
    Israel's Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.

    Maybe then they should take more.

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  64. @syonredux

    Maybe Boot could explain how Stalin would do a better job of assimilating immigrants?
     
    Uncle Joe had his solutions for recalcitrant minorities:

    Kenneth Christie, Historical Injustice and Democratic Transition in Eastern Asia and Northern Europe: Ghosts at the Table of Democracy (2002)
    Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonians (1940-41): 85,000 deported, of which 55,000 killed or died
    Baltics executed during reconquest (1944-45): 30,000
    Postwar partisan war
    Lithuanians: 40-50,000 k.
    Latvian: 25,000
    Estonians: 15,000

    Richard Overy, Russia's War (1997)

    Deaths resulting form ethnic cleansing operations (Chechens, etc) in WW2: 231,000

    Ethnic operations during the Great Terror (1937-38): 247,157 deaths, of which 111,091 were ethnic Poles


    etc, etc, etc,

    As Stalin, that great hero of Max Boot, supposedly said, “One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.”

    But your numbers seem low, at least compared to what I recall from the Black Book of Communism.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/0674076087

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  65. @Dave Pinsen
    Israel's Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.

    I am sure that Muslims would be “better integrated” in Europe and America if we returned to the Israeli-style system we used to have a century ago.

    In Israel today (as in America a century ago) everybody knows where the lines are drawn and the cost of stepping over them.

    Belgians could start by bulldozing houses of collaborators. There must be dozens if not hundreds who looked the other way in Molenbeek.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I am sure that Muslims would be “better integrated” in Europe and America if we returned to the Israeli-style system we used to have a century ago.

    In Israel today (as in America a century ago) everybody knows where the lines are drawn and the cost of stepping over them.

    Belgians could start by bulldozing houses of collaborators. There must be dozens if not hundreds who looked the other way in Molenbeek."

    Muslims are the African Americans of Europe. You have low income housing projects in Europe that are entirely made up of Muslims, while you have low income housing projects in The U.S that are entirely made up of African Americans.

    Does Europe even have successful Nonwhite immigrant communities similar to Chinese Americans and Japanese Americans?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe we should have deported the parents of the San Bernardino terrorist.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Belgians could start by bulldozing houses of collaborators.

     

    You mean people who enable mass-immigration into Europe?
  66. @Anonymous
    So Trump says "torture" today instead of "coercion" knowing full well the American people hate the idea of torture.

    All the guy has to say is "coercion" and he would alienate many fewer voters. But he won't do that.



    “Well you know he may be talking, but he’ll talk a lot faster with the torture," Trump said,



    http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-torture-waterboarding-brussels-221117

    I'm tired of being suckered by Trump. He knows damn well that no president ever talks like this. It's sabotage.

    I’m tired of being suckered by Trump. He knows damn well that no president ever talks like this. It’s sabotage.

    Sometimes I am inclined to agree. You have to remember, he lives in a billionaire bubble where basically no one disagrees with him or tells him to shut up.

    At this point, I am just grasping at the Scott Adams straws, hoping he’s right…

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I’m tired of being suckered by Trump. He knows damn well that no president ever talks like this. It’s sabotage.

    Sometimes I am inclined to agree. You have to remember, he lives in a billionaire bubble where basically no one disagrees with him or tells him to shut up.

    At this point, I am just grasping at the Scott Adams straws, hoping he’s right


    Trump is trying to move the Overton Window on the subject of torture. He chooses words carefully. E.g. 'disruptor' for the protesters at his rallies.
  67. @Anonymous
    Israel’s Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.

    Wrong. Israel denies a significant number of Muslim Israelis (residents of the West Bank) basic civil rights (formal citizenship, voting rights, right of travel) on account of their religion. And that is just one example.

    If they don’t have citizenship, they’re not citizens. Some Arab residents of Israel turned down citizenship. Over 1 million are citizens. Compare their lot to that of Muslims in France or Belgium.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If they don’t have citizenship, they’re not citizens.

    You lying weasel. As if some label Israel or you applies them justifies your denying them civil rights on the basis of their religion and your attempt to push them off of the land. They were there long before you jews got there. They have a greater claim than you do.

    The Muslims are citizens of that land, whether you admit them or not. It is their native home. Their homeland.

    The marginalization of blacks in the United States was not suddenly justified because the United States determined that blacks were not full "citizens."

    Some Arab residents of Israel turned down citizenship.

    Millions of Muslims and Christians for whom Palestine is their homeland have never been offered citizenship on account of their race and religion. Millions live as refugees because Israel won't even let them return home, even as second class citizens. You disgust me.

    Over 1 million are citizens.

    Millions more "citizens" are denied equal rights because of their race and religion.

    Compare their lot to that of Muslims in France or Belgium.

    In France and Begium, Muslims generally enjoy greater rights than they do in Israel under jewish rule.
  68. Today Ted Cruz is talking about putting an end to letting Syrian refugees come to The U.S, while John Kasich is worried that we should not stereotype all Muslims because of the Brussels terrorist attack and that we should remain a country that open’s its doors to immigrants regardless of religion.

    This is why John Kasich is the Walter Mondale of the GOP primary, winning only 1 state. I will say it again, 2016 is not a good year to run for president as a politically correct Republican.

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  69. @Svigor

    Israel’s Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.
     
    No no, not them; the other Muslims. The ones that Israel "fails to integrate," what with the Zionist Apartheid System, the Giant Walls, the shelling of population centers, etc.

    I thought the concept of Greater Israel (one including all of the West Bank and Gaza) was discredited.

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    There are still right wingers in Israel who want to keep it all. But even beyond that, there's the fact that the non-Jews in the West Bank are fairly largely integrated into the Israeli controlled power grid, transport infrastructure, water, etc. Yet they have been under a separate set of rules for almost 50 years now. I don't think that can continue, indefinitely, but the Israeli government doesn't seem either willing or able to stop the expansion of settlements (although they do uproot some of the smaller ones from time to time.) Not to mention that, for water purposes alone, they will never leave the Jordan River Valley (or Golan) which means that any Palestinian entity will be an enclave in Israel.

    It's a real problem and the only thing that the Israeli government has been doing for the past 30 years (First Intifada) is kick the can down the road.

    The conventional wisdom that you're either going to have one state or two states is belied by the passage of time; if there ever is a separate Palestinian state it will be so closely tied to Israel that one will hardly know the difference. Short of population transfers, which I think are highly doubtful, there will probably be a bi-national state or at least a confederation by the end of the century. And then it will come down to power sharing .....
  70. Jeffery Goldberg:-

    Like many people on the right, Max focuses mainly on the problems Israel would face by leaving the West Bank, but he doesn’t address the problems Israel brings on itself by staying, and I don’t mean merely what he might think of as the goo-goo moral issues concerning the long-term effects of occupation on the society that is doing the occupying. I’m talking about the demographic threat to Israel’s Jewish and democratic nature.

    Israel hasn’t even tried to integrate West Bank Arabs, Boot wants to continue with that policy, meaning an Apartheid system for settlers and Arabs in the West Bank, which would become ever more evident, as the demographics altered. Boot is mainly interested with his own prestige as an important authority on America’s place in the world, Belgium and Israel effectively ceasing to exist in the foreseeable future is not his primary concern.

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  71. These idiots like Boot better cool it on pushing more Muslim immigration to the U.S.

    The U.S. is not Europe – particularly outside of big East Coast cities and the Left Coast.

    There is only so much provocation a people can stomach. A few coordinated San Bernardino style attacks on soft targets – Kindergardens and School Buses and Shopping Malls – and they’re going to get innocent Muslim Americans hanging wholesale from lamp posts. For the sake of those Muslims alone it makes sense to throttle back on the immigration and refugee nonsense.

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  72. Imagine a press release in the late 1930′s that read:

    The problem in Europe is a failure to assimilate the National Socialist party. Germany has done best job, but the Herschel Grynszpan attack, and French and English resistance alienate Nazis & threaten security.

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  73. @fnn

    Israel’s Arab citizens (20% of its population; most of whom are Muslim) are much better integrated than French or Belgian Muslims.
     
    I don't think "integrated" is quite the right word:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/racism-standard-procedure/


    Jews and Arabs don’t really mix much in Israel. They attend separate schools from pre-kindergarten age (there are only 5 integrated state schools in the country where Arab and Jewish pupils learn together.) They live in separate cities and towns, with a few exceptions like Haifa and Lod; and even in these mixed municipalities, they tend to live in their ethnically defined neighborhoods. Organizations like Yad L’Achim and Lehava, which receive funding and the tacit approval of the Israeli government, exist in order to combat fraternization between the groups, especially between Jewish women and Arab men. There is no civil marriage option in Israel, which essentially places Jewish-Arab relationships permanently in the realm of the illegitimate.
     

    Haifa is a fairly big exception, being Israel’s 3rd largest city. How well integrated are Muslims in France’s or Belgium’s 3rd largest cities?

    Not saying Israel is some utopia of Muslim integration; such a thing doesn’t exist. Just saying it seems to have worked better there than in Europe. Maybe because of necessity, or maybe because of the orientalist (in the 19th century sense) leanings of Zionism, that narrowed the cultural distance a bit.

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    Unlike the West, religious-ethnic communalism has always been the norm in the Levant. That's still the basic system, though modified somewhat to the needs of the modern nation-state:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/supreme-court-rejects-israeli-nationality-status/

    Israel’s population registry lists a slew of “nationalities” and ethnicities, among them Jew, Arab, Druse and more. But one word is conspicuously absent from the list: Israeli.

    Residents cannot identify themselves as Israelis in the national registry because the move could have far-reaching consequences for the country’s Jewish character, the Israeli Supreme Court wrote in documents obtained Thursday.

    The ruling was a response to a demand by 21 Israelis, most of whom are officially registered as Jews, that the court decide whether they can be listed as Israeli in the registry. The group had argued that without a secular Israeli identity, Israeli policies will favor Jews and discriminate against minorities.
     
  74. I mean he is right in the sense American muslims have integrated better than European muslim.

    Probably has more to do with the stock though.. Maybe the higher pressure to assimilate also contributes to it?

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  75. @iSteveFan
    Maybe then they should take more.

    Maybe it doesn’t scale. Not everything does.

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    Maybe it doesn’t scale. Not everything does.
     
    I think you hit on the key word here, scale. That is the critical word missing from most discussions about immigration or even integration among our own minority population. People always have personal anecdotes about their minority-X friend and how well that friend has assimilated to their cultural norms. So they naively assume that scaling that friend up from him and his family to a few hundred thousand will go just as smoothly.

    But they fail to consider that their minority-X friend will acculturate differently when he is relatively unique in a majority culture versus when he and his own are closer to being the majority culture. Scaling up to 5 percent, 15 percent and higher produces much different results than the naive person assumed when his minority-X friend comprised a half a percent of the population.

    Whether it is turning a town that was homogeneous into one with a 10 percent foreign population overnight, or doing the same with a school by busing in a diverse bunch of students, those in control rarely take into account what you wrote, "maybe it doesn't scale. Not everything does."

  76. @Big Bill
    I am sure that Muslims would be "better integrated" in Europe and America if we returned to the Israeli-style system we used to have a century ago.

    In Israel today (as in America a century ago) everybody knows where the lines are drawn and the cost of stepping over them.

    Belgians could start by bulldozing houses of collaborators. There must be dozens if not hundreds who looked the other way in Molenbeek.

    “I am sure that Muslims would be “better integrated” in Europe and America if we returned to the Israeli-style system we used to have a century ago.

    In Israel today (as in America a century ago) everybody knows where the lines are drawn and the cost of stepping over them.

    Belgians could start by bulldozing houses of collaborators. There must be dozens if not hundreds who looked the other way in Molenbeek.”

    Muslims are the African Americans of Europe. You have low income housing projects in Europe that are entirely made up of Muslims, while you have low income housing projects in The U.S that are entirely made up of African Americans.

    Does Europe even have successful Nonwhite immigrant communities similar to Chinese Americans and Japanese Americans?

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  77. @Big Bill
    I am sure that Muslims would be "better integrated" in Europe and America if we returned to the Israeli-style system we used to have a century ago.

    In Israel today (as in America a century ago) everybody knows where the lines are drawn and the cost of stepping over them.

    Belgians could start by bulldozing houses of collaborators. There must be dozens if not hundreds who looked the other way in Molenbeek.

    Maybe we should have deported the parents of the San Bernardino terrorist.

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  78. @Dave Pinsen
    I thought the concept of Greater Israel (one including all of the West Bank and Gaza) was discredited.

    There are still right wingers in Israel who want to keep it all. But even beyond that, there’s the fact that the non-Jews in the West Bank are fairly largely integrated into the Israeli controlled power grid, transport infrastructure, water, etc. Yet they have been under a separate set of rules for almost 50 years now. I don’t think that can continue, indefinitely, but the Israeli government doesn’t seem either willing or able to stop the expansion of settlements (although they do uproot some of the smaller ones from time to time.) Not to mention that, for water purposes alone, they will never leave the Jordan River Valley (or Golan) which means that any Palestinian entity will be an enclave in Israel.

    It’s a real problem and the only thing that the Israeli government has been doing for the past 30 years (First Intifada) is kick the can down the road.

    The conventional wisdom that you’re either going to have one state or two states is belied by the passage of time; if there ever is a separate Palestinian state it will be so closely tied to Israel that one will hardly know the difference. Short of population transfers, which I think are highly doubtful, there will probably be a bi-national state or at least a confederation by the end of the century. And then it will come down to power sharing …..

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    They've actually been kicking the can down the road since 1967. The smart move then would have been to expel and annex. But I think some legitimately envisioned trading it back for a comprehensive peace deal.
  79. There is nothing conservative about “neoconservatism.” We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism.

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    "There is nothing conservative about “neoconservatism.” We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism."

    I would consider myself a middle ground between an anti-war hippie and a neocon. I would love to see ISIS wiped off the face of the earth, but I would not want to go to war with Russia or kill Bashar Al-Assad because he is a moderate Muslim and not a batshit crazy Muslim who wants to kill The West. I was in favor of hunting down Osama Bin Laden, but I don't think Saddam Hussein should have been taken out.
    , @Divine Right
    "There is nothing conservative about “neoconservatism.” We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism."

    Or neocoms
    , @Anon
    "There is nothing conservative about “neoconservatism.” We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism."

    No. Trotsky was a genuine communist.

    Neocons are NOT. They are Jewish neo-nationalists who hide their nationalism behind rhetoric of universalism. But the more they invoke universal values to serve Jewish interests, the more loopy their position becomes. It simply cannot be sustained. Max Boot bitching about how Trump is a a vulgar radical rightist all the while waving the Israeli far-right flag.

    Some Neocons still admire Trotsky but in a symbolic way. Not his ideology but his style, doggedness, intellectualism, power of critique.
  80. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Dave Pinsen
    If they don't have citizenship, they're not citizens. Some Arab residents of Israel turned down citizenship. Over 1 million are citizens. Compare their lot to that of Muslims in France or Belgium.

    If they don’t have citizenship, they’re not citizens.

    You lying weasel. As if some label Israel or you applies them justifies your denying them civil rights on the basis of their religion and your attempt to push them off of the land. They were there long before you jews got there. They have a greater claim than you do.

    The Muslims are citizens of that land, whether you admit them or not. It is their native home. Their homeland.

    The marginalization of blacks in the United States was not suddenly justified because the United States determined that blacks were not full “citizens.”

    Some Arab residents of Israel turned down citizenship.

    Millions of Muslims and Christians for whom Palestine is their homeland have never been offered citizenship on account of their race and religion. Millions live as refugees because Israel won’t even let them return home, even as second class citizens. You disgust me.

    Over 1 million are citizens.

    Millions more “citizens” are denied equal rights because of their race and religion.

    Compare their lot to that of Muslims in France or Belgium.

    In France and Begium, Muslims generally enjoy greater rights than they do in Israel under jewish rule.

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    In France and Begium, Muslims generally enjoy greater rights than they do in Israel under jewish rule

    And how do Muslim rights fare under Arab rule?
  81. @Anonymous
    Trump Nomination Could Bring Down World Economy

    http://fortune.com/2016/03/21/donald-trump-gundlach/

    Yeah, the 'Trump Threatens Global Security' meme is on the march. Probably hatched at the Sea Island confab.

    These media and political traitors and their lying propaganda need to be archived to use in their future prosecutions.

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  82. @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe it doesn't scale. Not everything does.

    Maybe it doesn’t scale. Not everything does.

    I think you hit on the key word here, scale. That is the critical word missing from most discussions about immigration or even integration among our own minority population. People always have personal anecdotes about their minority-X friend and how well that friend has assimilated to their cultural norms. So they naively assume that scaling that friend up from him and his family to a few hundred thousand will go just as smoothly.

    But they fail to consider that their minority-X friend will acculturate differently when he is relatively unique in a majority culture versus when he and his own are closer to being the majority culture. Scaling up to 5 percent, 15 percent and higher produces much different results than the naive person assumed when his minority-X friend comprised a half a percent of the population.

    Whether it is turning a town that was homogeneous into one with a 10 percent foreign population overnight, or doing the same with a school by busing in a diverse bunch of students, those in control rarely take into account what you wrote, “maybe it doesn’t scale. Not everything does.”

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    Yes, and a related issue, one that Steve and Ed West have mentioned, is that when elites personally know someone from X, it's usually a globalist elite. They don't get that most people in X-stan are nothing like their friend from X.

    Think of, say, Zalmay Khalilzad, Fouad Ajami, or Ahmed Chalabi.
  83. @SPMoore8
    There are still right wingers in Israel who want to keep it all. But even beyond that, there's the fact that the non-Jews in the West Bank are fairly largely integrated into the Israeli controlled power grid, transport infrastructure, water, etc. Yet they have been under a separate set of rules for almost 50 years now. I don't think that can continue, indefinitely, but the Israeli government doesn't seem either willing or able to stop the expansion of settlements (although they do uproot some of the smaller ones from time to time.) Not to mention that, for water purposes alone, they will never leave the Jordan River Valley (or Golan) which means that any Palestinian entity will be an enclave in Israel.

    It's a real problem and the only thing that the Israeli government has been doing for the past 30 years (First Intifada) is kick the can down the road.

    The conventional wisdom that you're either going to have one state or two states is belied by the passage of time; if there ever is a separate Palestinian state it will be so closely tied to Israel that one will hardly know the difference. Short of population transfers, which I think are highly doubtful, there will probably be a bi-national state or at least a confederation by the end of the century. And then it will come down to power sharing .....

    They’ve actually been kicking the can down the road since 1967. The smart move then would have been to expel and annex. But I think some legitimately envisioned trading it back for a comprehensive peace deal.

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  84. @Dave Pinsen
    Haifa is a fairly big exception, being Israel's 3rd largest city. How well integrated are Muslims in France's or Belgium's 3rd largest cities?

    Not saying Israel is some utopia of Muslim integration; such a thing doesn't exist. Just saying it seems to have worked better there than in Europe. Maybe because of necessity, or maybe because of the orientalist (in the 19th century sense) leanings of Zionism, that narrowed the cultural distance a bit.

    Unlike the West, religious-ethnic communalism has always been the norm in the Levant. That’s still the basic system, though modified somewhat to the needs of the modern nation-state:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/supreme-court-rejects-israeli-nationality-status/

    Israel’s population registry lists a slew of “nationalities” and ethnicities, among them Jew, Arab, Druse and more. But one word is conspicuously absent from the list: Israeli.

    Residents cannot identify themselves as Israelis in the national registry because the move could have far-reaching consequences for the country’s Jewish character, the Israeli Supreme Court wrote in documents obtained Thursday.

    The ruling was a response to a demand by 21 Israelis, most of whom are officially registered as Jews, that the court decide whether they can be listed as Israeli in the registry. The group had argued that without a secular Israeli identity, Israeli policies will favor Jews and discriminate against minorities.

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  85. @Flinders Petrie
    Clearly, Europe needs to be more welcoming, like this kind person:
    http://imgur.com/is9Ield

    J1234 is correct. The network effect of observing the kind of callous indifference exhibited by “Jitte” in the face of the most intense kind of human suffering will erode support for the Leftist imbecility that pollutes our civic discourse.

    The Left’s resistance to practical measures that benefit the average citizen cannot be masked by their disgusting propaganda.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Sorry to be blunt, but your comment is absolutely wrong.

    It's been over six years since the Army Chief of Staff said, in response to the Fort Hood massacre,


    “Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse."
     
    http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/11/08/general-casey-diversity-shouldnt-be-casualty-of-fort-hood/

    He served another year and a half in his post after this. No protests of significance. Obama didn't can him. Obama got reelected. Obama is still loved by most Democrats. No negative consequences for saying that less diversity in our Army would be worse than thirteen people being murdered in cold blood.

    The Army Chief of Staff.

    Top soldier in the Army.

    This vile girl's beliefs have been ABSOLUTELY MAINSTREAM even among "conservative" elites, as evidenced by Casey's remarks (if the top general in the army can't be considered part of the conservative elite, who can?)

    Again, I'm sorry to be so blunt but your wishful thinking is very dangerous. Complacency will kill us. Denial will kill us.

    Know thine enemies.

  86. @iSteveFan

    Maybe it doesn’t scale. Not everything does.
     
    I think you hit on the key word here, scale. That is the critical word missing from most discussions about immigration or even integration among our own minority population. People always have personal anecdotes about their minority-X friend and how well that friend has assimilated to their cultural norms. So they naively assume that scaling that friend up from him and his family to a few hundred thousand will go just as smoothly.

    But they fail to consider that their minority-X friend will acculturate differently when he is relatively unique in a majority culture versus when he and his own are closer to being the majority culture. Scaling up to 5 percent, 15 percent and higher produces much different results than the naive person assumed when his minority-X friend comprised a half a percent of the population.

    Whether it is turning a town that was homogeneous into one with a 10 percent foreign population overnight, or doing the same with a school by busing in a diverse bunch of students, those in control rarely take into account what you wrote, "maybe it doesn't scale. Not everything does."

    Yes, and a related issue, one that Steve and Ed West have mentioned, is that when elites personally know someone from X, it’s usually a globalist elite. They don’t get that most people in X-stan are nothing like their friend from X.

    Think of, say, Zalmay Khalilzad, Fouad Ajami, or Ahmed Chalabi.

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  87. @Flinders Petrie
    Clearly, Europe needs to be more welcoming, like this kind person:
    http://imgur.com/is9Ield

    Said the lady who wasn’t killed or mangled….

    That’s the death part. Then there’s the sex part, so concisely observed by G Pinfold at comment 57 above.

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  88. @Chiron
    The Neocons are better described as 'Liberal Zionist Warmongers, they want wars in the middle-east and at the same open borders for resentful muslims in the West.

    The only country they really care about is Israel, they don't care about the US or Europe or any other country.

    I read here and there that they’re starting to care about China…and encourage Jews’ moving there, and conversions as well.

    Think of the fresh blank slate!

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  89. From today’s USAToday editorial:

    It takes Muslims to stand against the tiny minority of savage radicals in the U.S. and other nations, and Muslim forces to stand against ISIL in Syria, Iraq, Libya and everywhere they have gained a foothold. Alienating crucial allies in a shared war against extremists is, quite simply, stupid. Americans should not let it happen.

    What I find mindbogglingly stupid is editorial comment that implies that it is perfectly alright if several score or hundreds of citizens are massacred as long as there is no Hatred against those Muslims who are most likely to kill them and that they be accepted with open arms (borders). People like these USAToday editors and the Max Boots of the world are such Magnificent A-sho-es that it his difficult to fathom the world in which they slime-walk.

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    What I find mindbogglingly stupid is...
     
    It's not stupidity.

    They want open borders.

    So when things like this happen their motivation is to say whatever they can think of to stop white ppl shutting down immigration.

    So yes their arguments are stupid but they're not - they're evil.
  90. @Jefferson
    A Social Justice Warrior stand up comedian named Joe DeRosa said on Twitter today that White guys should be racially profiled just as much as Muslims.

    Despite his Italian last name, he is ethnically Egyptian who was adopted by Italian parents.

    His Italian parents did a typical SWPL thing, by adopting a Non European child.

    White guys ARE ethnically profiled. What’s all that “white male privilege” BS about?

    But you wouldn’t expect a Molecko Gecko to know that.

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  91. @Hannah Katz
    How about we send Europe our Latino illegal immigrants? They may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer, but they are not Muslim and they do not blow people up. They work hard and are ready, willing and able to help grow the population there without explosions. Think of it, Mexicans would fit into life in Spain a lot better than Moroccans do.

    Send the current, ungrateful migrants back from whence they came. They can transform their Muslim countries into the wonderful nirvanas that we heard they would make Europe. Send Frau Merkel with them.

    Plenty of Hispanophone immigrants from the Americas in Spain. They are, I believe, the main source of immigration, not Africans or other Europeans.

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  92. @Cagey Beast
    Yes the neocons are "high priests of a low cult". All globalists are really. People need to keep asking these experts like Max Boot "who are you exactly?".

    I almost wish we lived in a real HG Wells type of technocracy and our "experts" actually had to be certified in some reality-based way. I don't think Boot would make the cut.

    Yes the neocons are “high priests of a low cult”. All globalists are really. People need to keep asking these experts like Max Boot “who are you exactly?”.

    Well said. Neocons have much in common with SJWs: both, deep down, in their overweening pride, see themselves as saviors of the Great Other. Their methods differ, yes, but both deny the basic human agency of non-Western, non-white peoples, and take on themselves the ultimately Satanic task of trying to redeem them.

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  93. @AndrewR
    There is nothing conservative about "neoconservatism." We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism.

    “There is nothing conservative about “neoconservatism.” We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism.”

    I would consider myself a middle ground between an anti-war hippie and a neocon. I would love to see ISIS wiped off the face of the earth, but I would not want to go to war with Russia or kill Bashar Al-Assad because he is a moderate Muslim and not a batshit crazy Muslim who wants to kill The West. I was in favor of hunting down Osama Bin Laden, but I don’t think Saddam Hussein should have been taken out.

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  94. @Cagey Beast
    Yes the neocons are "high priests of a low cult". All globalists are really. People need to keep asking these experts like Max Boot "who are you exactly?".

    I almost wish we lived in a real HG Wells type of technocracy and our "experts" actually had to be certified in some reality-based way. I don't think Boot would make the cut.

    There is no point in asking Max Boot who he is and what makes him an authority. Our elites credential each other in some kind frenzied back slapping mating ritual that makes the tribes of New Guinea seem like Boston Brahmins. Who cares at this point what any of them say? You can believe them or your lying eyes.

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  95. @Flinders Petrie
    Shocking, isn't it? One could more easily make the argument that her mindset (and that of the regressive left) is just as sick and twisted as that of ISIS. One is willing to murder and maim; the other is willing to forgive the murderers and denigrate the victims to somehow appear virtuous.

    But the good news is that #stopislam is trending, whatever good this will do in the real world.

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  96. @International Jew
    Muslims are integrating better in America, but the details of why that is makes leftists uncomfortable. They're integrating here because we enforce minimum wage laws less zealously than the Europeans do. And thus, our Muslims are busy driving taxis 18 hours a day, while in Europe they sit on their butts dreaming of jihad unless they can wangle a corporate-type job.

    They are not integrating any better, there are simply less of them by percentage. North America is merely 20 years behind Europe, where 20 years ago, people said that the Muslims are integrating just fine. In 20 years, if we continue down this path, we will have the same issues exactly. Because there is no place on earth, where Muslim are an appreciable part of the non-Muslim population and have congregated in significant numbers, where they are not in conflict with the surrounding population. First it is called criminality and failure to integrate, then it is terror and even insurrection and then it is civil war.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    He that believes that onservant muslims are an assimilable people also believe in Santa Claus.
    J. Sabag
    Sydney N.S.W.
  97. @Anon
    US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population.

    A very small minority assimilates better than a big one does. In some European cities, Muslims are the MAIN minority. Also, ultra-liberalism of EU tries to make whites assimilate to diversity than other way around.

    Also, US has less culture and history than Europe. It's easy to 'assimilate' to eating Big Mac and watching Hollywood movies if that has indeed become the essence of American Culture and identity.

    If black population had been 1%, who knows? They might have melted into rest of America.
    But being much bigger, assimilation has been difficult.

    More Muslims that US has, more Muslims will assert themselves and assimilate less.

    Also, Neocons certainly didn't assimilate well into the GOP base. Had they done so, people like Boot wouldn't be throwing a fit because many white conservatives don't want to be bossed around by Jewish conservatives who make up less than 1% of conservatives.

    One thing for sure, Israel hasn't done such a great job in assimilating Palestinians. Walls seem to keep going up on the basis that assimilation is futile.

    And Univ of Ill doesn't seem to be assimilating Steven Salaida very well.

    A very small minority assimilates better than a big one does. In some European cities, Muslims are the MAIN minority. Also, ultra-liberalism of EU tries to make whites assimilate to diversity than other way around.

    It’s the dose that makes the poison.

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  98. @AndrewR
    There is nothing conservative about "neoconservatism." We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism.

    “There is nothing conservative about “neoconservatism.” We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism.”

    Or neocoms

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  99. @Jefferson
    A Social Justice Warrior stand up comedian named Joe DeRosa said on Twitter today that White guys should be racially profiled just as much as Muslims.

    Despite his Italian last name, he is ethnically Egyptian who was adopted by Italian parents.

    His Italian parents did a typical SWPL thing, by adopting a Non European child.

    >implying Italians and Egyptians aren’t closely related

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  100. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    J1234 is correct. The network effect of observing the kind of callous indifference exhibited by "Jitte" in the face of the most intense kind of human suffering will erode support for the Leftist imbecility that pollutes our civic discourse.

    The Left's resistance to practical measures that benefit the average citizen cannot be masked by their disgusting propaganda.

    Sorry to be blunt, but your comment is absolutely wrong.

    It’s been over six years since the Army Chief of Staff said, in response to the Fort Hood massacre,

    “Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.”

    http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/11/08/general-casey-diversity-shouldnt-be-casualty-of-fort-hood/

    He served another year and a half in his post after this. No protests of significance. Obama didn’t can him. Obama got reelected. Obama is still loved by most Democrats. No negative consequences for saying that less diversity in our Army would be worse than thirteen people being murdered in cold blood.

    The Army Chief of Staff.

    Top soldier in the Army.

    This vile girl’s beliefs have been ABSOLUTELY MAINSTREAM even among “conservative” elites, as evidenced by Casey’s remarks (if the top general in the army can’t be considered part of the conservative elite, who can?)

    Again, I’m sorry to be so blunt but your wishful thinking is very dangerous. Complacency will kill us. Denial will kill us.

    Know thine enemies.

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  101. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Chrisnonymous

    I’m tired of being suckered by Trump. He knows damn well that no president ever talks like this. It’s sabotage.
     
    Sometimes I am inclined to agree. You have to remember, he lives in a billionaire bubble where basically no one disagrees with him or tells him to shut up.

    At this point, I am just grasping at the Scott Adams straws, hoping he's right...

    I’m tired of being suckered by Trump. He knows damn well that no president ever talks like this. It’s sabotage.

    Sometimes I am inclined to agree. You have to remember, he lives in a billionaire bubble where basically no one disagrees with him or tells him to shut up.

    At this point, I am just grasping at the Scott Adams straws, hoping he’s right

    Trump is trying to move the Overton Window on the subject of torture. He chooses words carefully. E.g. ‘disruptor’ for the protesters at his rallies.

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  102. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @cwhatfuture
    They are not integrating any better, there are simply less of them by percentage. North America is merely 20 years behind Europe, where 20 years ago, people said that the Muslims are integrating just fine. In 20 years, if we continue down this path, we will have the same issues exactly. Because there is no place on earth, where Muslim are an appreciable part of the non-Muslim population and have congregated in significant numbers, where they are not in conflict with the surrounding population. First it is called criminality and failure to integrate, then it is terror and even insurrection and then it is civil war.

    He that believes that onservant muslims are an assimilable people also believe in Santa Claus.
    J. Sabag
    Sydney N.S.W.

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  103. @Rotten
    If EU can't assimilate the Muslims that is has, then that's a great reason to invite a million more in every year.

    #neoconlogic

    How about assimilating these Mooselimb goat-f#ckers into ships and sending them back to Crapholeistan?

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  104. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Flinders Petrie
    Clearly, Europe needs to be more welcoming, like this kind person:
    http://imgur.com/is9Ield

    She’s an eloi.

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  105. @Rotten
    If EU can't assimilate the Muslims that is has, then that's a great reason to invite a million more in every year.

    #neoconlogic

    Muh ‘Murrican exceptionalism

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  106. @George Taylor
    In the wake of today's events in Brussels, Hillary and Bernie called for more surveillance. This should be expected as historically the only way to keep the peace in multi ethnic society is to turn it into a police state. I.E. you fear the secret police more then you fear your ethnically different neighbor. But then Max Boot said he'd rather vote for Stalin then Trump so no surprise there either.

    To bad Rand Paul couldn't connect those dot's, pro liberty, pro rights needs homogeneity to work.

    You’ve hit it: multikulti requires a police state. And the more multi it gets, the more strict the state.

    Iraq, very multi with Sunnis, Shiites, Christians, and Kurds and Arabs required extreme policing, which they got with Sadam Hussein.

    Libya, all Sunni, with a few minority non-Arabs, survived with the more moderate Gaddhafi.

    Syria is also very multi, and Assad Sr. ran a tight ship. He likely would have stamped out the revolt that has turned into a civil war.

    The percentage of Muslims in the US is still pretty low. Just give it time. They tend to have big families too. They easily outbreed the natives in Europe.

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  107. Max Boot fleshes out his tweet in an USA Today column.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/22/isil-brussels-belgium-trump-terror-security-threat-islam-max-boot/82113292/

    His conclusion: “Trump could not possibly do more damage to our security if he were an actual ISIL agent.”

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    • Replies: @Rifleman
    Conservative Pundit belittles him here:

    https://twitter.com/DemsRRealRacist/status/712373590642040832

    https://twitter.com/DemsRRealRacist/status/712516268662853633
  108. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @AndrewR
    There is nothing conservative about "neoconservatism." We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism.

    “There is nothing conservative about “neoconservatism.” We need to call it by its real name: neo-Trotskyism.”

    No. Trotsky was a genuine communist.

    Neocons are NOT. They are Jewish neo-nationalists who hide their nationalism behind rhetoric of universalism. But the more they invoke universal values to serve Jewish interests, the more loopy their position becomes. It simply cannot be sustained. Max Boot bitching about how Trump is a a vulgar radical rightist all the while waving the Israeli far-right flag.

    Some Neocons still admire Trotsky but in a symbolic way. Not his ideology but his style, doggedness, intellectualism, power of critique.

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  109. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    "US has done a better job because Muslims are still a very small percentage of the population."

    I disagree with you that Muslims are assimilating well into U.S society. They make up a disproportionate percentage of terrorists and mass shooters in the U.S, for a group that makes up less than 1 percent of The U.S population.

    How many angry White male mass shootings like Columbine would there be if Whites made made up 1 percent or less of The U.S population? The answer is none.

    Whites are not known for disproportionate amounts of crimes, but Muslims are.

    “I disagree with you that Muslims are assimilating well into U.S society.”

    You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.
    Or Mexican drug gangs.

    Yes, there are some radical terrorist type, but they are rare.

    I’m NOT for Muslim immigration, but the current number of Muslims in the US is no big problem. But if US did have Europe-levels of Muslims, I see real trouble.

    I’ve met a bunch of Muslims in school and business. Most seem to be okay people.
    If anything, what bothers me is they are more into pop culture than I am. I’ve never met a Moo who didn’t like Simpsons. I can’t stand that stuff.

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    "You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.
    Or Mexican drug gangs."

    If you talk about averages, than Mexicans and Negroes on average are not trouble making criminals either.

    Its not about averages, its about disproportions. For a group that makes up less than 1 percent of The U.S population, Muslims sure have committed a lot of terrorist attacks and mass shootings on U.S soil.

    If Jews were the perpetrators in the Boston bombings, the Tennessee shootings, the Fort Hood shootings, 9/11, and San Bernardino, you would be talking about how Jews are overrepresented among American terrorists, for a group that makes up only 3 percent of The U.S population.
    , @bomag

    Yes, there are some radical terrorist type, but they are rare.
     
    Not rare enough. One is too many, so why entertain any Muslims? What do they add that we can't get somewhere else with less downside?
  110. What measure does Max Boot use to claim that the US does a better job assimilating our Muslims than other countries? How about by death toll per capita? 3,000 people were killed on September 11 alone. Then there was Boston, Chattanooga, San Bernardino, and several others.

    The US has about 30 times as many people as Belgium (pop. 11.2 million), but has lost about 90 times as many people due to terrorism (3000 vs. 34). We have ~5 times as many people as France, but I doubt France has lost anywhere close to 600 people due to Islamic terrorism. Etc, etc.

    As a share of our population the US has far fewer Muslims, but our death toll per capita is higher than every other Western country. It may seem like cheating since 9/11 was one very large event, but given all the other terrorist acts that have occurred here there’s no reason to take comfort in the idea that we do a better job assimilating Muslims.

    My guess is that there are two things holding down Muslim extremism in the US. First, the fact that Muslims comprise a much smaller share of the population than in most Western European countries. That gives them no chance to “own” neighborhoods and oppress their neighbors the way they do in so many parts of Europe.

    The second reason is the Second Amendment. Muslims wouldn’t dare try a lot of the shit they’ve tried in Europe because Americans are armed. Lose the Second Amendment and quintuple our Muslim population and our problems would be every bit as bad as in Europe, if not worse.

    There are effectively two kinds of Islamic terrorism. The first is the overt terrorism as exemplified by 9/11, Bataclan, Boston, and the Brussels bombing. The second, more insidious kind, is the kind where Muslims criminal networks that drive non-Muslims out of entire cities and oppress the non-Muslim majority – think Rotherham. This is the kind that needs a critical mass that America does not yet have, but there’s every indication that Muslims would be happy to do it here, if they could.

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  111. @International Jew
    Muslims are integrating better in America, but the details of why that is makes leftists uncomfortable. They're integrating here because we enforce minimum wage laws less zealously than the Europeans do. And thus, our Muslims are busy driving taxis 18 hours a day, while in Europe they sit on their butts dreaming of jihad unless they can wangle a corporate-type job.

    “They’re integrating here because we enforce minimum wage laws less zealously than the Europeans do. And thus, our Muslims are busy driving taxis 18 hours a day, while in Europe they sit on their butts dreaming of jihad”

    There’s a lot of truth to that. Our terrorism problem would be far worse if our share of Muslims were higher, but there’s definitely something to be said for employment holding extremism in check. I’ve noticed in life that the more free time people have on their hands the more inclined they are to bitch and obsess about how badly they have it, no matter how well off they actually are. College students, the unemployed, and the elderly. A rough equation for fanaticism may be:

    Fanaticism = F * T^2

    Where F = free time, T = testosterone levels, with overt fanaticism declining somehwat with both age and lack of free time. Passive aggressive fanaticism is more constant with age. Elderly Muslims are probably more than happy to bitch about non-Muslims – where do you think the younger Muslims get their attitudes about Westerners? – but they’re less inclined to go blow themselves up over it.

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  112. @Erik Sieven
    Stalin is the only person I know who was able to handle Chechens

    Alexander II didn’t do badly either.

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  113. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The obvious riposte is this:

    Muslim immigration into the USA is nothing like the same scale as Muslim immigration into western Europe. It is still in the low single per cents.
    However, in many western European nations, it is a scale of magnitude higher and is on course in a few – including some mass population nations – to comprise the majority of the population sometime this century.

    A better comparison would be with America’s black population – in terms of numbers, social pathology and ‘lack of integration’ – and, oh, the fact that America’s black population hasn’t ‘integrated’ in 400 years, and is, in fact, only diverging and isolating more from mainstream America.

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  114. @G Pinfold
    Poor girl has been successfully indoctrinated. This is the only response she is conditioned to produce (apart from flowers and candles in the town square). And she believes that the direst provocation deserves the most tolerant response. She is only trying to please the men around her. These are the problem.

    What I find odd is that most of these people are secular, agnostic at best, atheist at worst. They probably deride Christians as ‘Bible Thumpers’. Yet they behave as though they are pacifist Christians probably more so than actual Christians.

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  115. @Anon
    "I disagree with you that Muslims are assimilating well into U.S society."

    You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.
    Or Mexican drug gangs.

    Yes, there are some radical terrorist type, but they are rare.

    I'm NOT for Muslim immigration, but the current number of Muslims in the US is no big problem. But if US did have Europe-levels of Muslims, I see real trouble.

    I've met a bunch of Muslims in school and business. Most seem to be okay people.
    If anything, what bothers me is they are more into pop culture than I am. I've never met a Moo who didn't like Simpsons. I can't stand that stuff.

    “You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.
    Or Mexican drug gangs.”

    If you talk about averages, than Mexicans and Negroes on average are not trouble making criminals either.

    Its not about averages, its about disproportions. For a group that makes up less than 1 percent of The U.S population, Muslims sure have committed a lot of terrorist attacks and mass shootings on U.S soil.

    If Jews were the perpetrators in the Boston bombings, the Tennessee shootings, the Fort Hood shootings, 9/11, and San Bernardino, you would be talking about how Jews are overrepresented among American terrorists, for a group that makes up only 3 percent of The U.S population.

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    You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.
     
    Visible trouble maybe.

    My experience of (non professionals) ppl from that part of the world is they have no respect for the law so if they can get away with it they ignore hygiene regs, fire regs, illegal working, fraud etc.

    Again, a lot of this relates to percentages from different socioeconomic segments.
    , @Anon
    "Its not about averages, its about disproportions. For a group that makes up less than 1 percent of The U.S population, Muslims sure have committed a lot of terrorist attacks and mass shootings on U.S soil. If Jews were the perpetrators in the Boston bombings, the Tennessee shootings, the Fort Hood shootings, 9/11, and San Bernardino, you would be talking about how Jews are overrepresented among American terrorists, for a group that makes up only 3 percent of The U.S population."

    Don't be a dammy. These acts of violence are in retaliation for Western violence against the Muslim world.

    Given all the hell unleashed on the Muslims, I'm surprised that the violence is as low as it is.

    Look at Palestinians whose homeland was totally destroyed by US-Zionist policy.
    But MOST Palestinian-Americans are not terrorists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ptskKJHBWY

    Gaddafi gave up his WMD. This is what he got.

    And Israel used terrorism to kill people in Iran. But US doesn't condemn Israel for terrorism.
    Media puts quotes around 'terrorism'.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/world/middleeast/iran-reports-killing-of-nuclear-scientist.html?_r=0

    Imagine what would happen if Iran did this to an Israeli nuke scientist.

    Iran is called a 'sponsor of terrorism'. But when was the last time Iran sent terrorists to the US?
    Most Iranian-Americans are decent people.

    If anything, it is US-backed Muslim nations, esp Saudi and turkey, that have been playing with fire, made all the worse by the West messing up Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

    Saudis have the biggest funders of nuttery, but US never attacks its policy.

    And US built up the radical nuts in Afghanistan.

    But then, US will even hire neo-nazi goons in Ukraine to use against Russia.

    As for Zionists and Jews, they don't need to use terror when they have control of entire US military to destroy entire nations.

    What US bombs did to the Middle East is 1000x worse than these terrorist attacks.

    But it's not just the 'invade'. There is the 'invite' from the very nations most harmed by the US.
    Jews own the media and politicians and pressure US and EU to take in all these Muslims.

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/306470-one-lawyer-with-a-briefcase-can-steal-more-than-a

    “One lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns ...”

    I'm not for immigration. I would end all non-white immigration and send all the illegals back.

    But all this braying about the moos without taking into crazy neo-imperialist neocon destructionist policy is crazy.
  116. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    His tweet is a total lie.

    Muslims in Europe are de-assimilating as the numbers rise.

    Small minorities assimilate the most (at least on the surface) cos they’re small minorities.

    As local numbers increase there is less potential threat – especially in majority ethnic enclaves – so they de-assimilate.

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  117. @inertial
    Max Boot fleshes out his tweet in an USA Today column.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/22/isil-brussels-belgium-trump-terror-security-threat-islam-max-boot/82113292/

    His conclusion: "Trump could not possibly do more damage to our security if he were an actual ISIL agent."

    Conservative Pundit belittles him here:

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  118. @Big Bill
    I am sure that Muslims would be "better integrated" in Europe and America if we returned to the Israeli-style system we used to have a century ago.

    In Israel today (as in America a century ago) everybody knows where the lines are drawn and the cost of stepping over them.

    Belgians could start by bulldozing houses of collaborators. There must be dozens if not hundreds who looked the other way in Molenbeek.

    Belgians could start by bulldozing houses of collaborators.

    You mean people who enable mass-immigration into Europe?

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  119. @Anon
    "I disagree with you that Muslims are assimilating well into U.S society."

    You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.
    Or Mexican drug gangs.

    Yes, there are some radical terrorist type, but they are rare.

    I'm NOT for Muslim immigration, but the current number of Muslims in the US is no big problem. But if US did have Europe-levels of Muslims, I see real trouble.

    I've met a bunch of Muslims in school and business. Most seem to be okay people.
    If anything, what bothers me is they are more into pop culture than I am. I've never met a Moo who didn't like Simpsons. I can't stand that stuff.

    Yes, there are some radical terrorist type, but they are rare.

    Not rare enough. One is too many, so why entertain any Muslims? What do they add that we can’t get somewhere else with less downside?

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  120. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Flinders Petrie
    Shocking, isn't it? One could more easily make the argument that her mindset (and that of the regressive left) is just as sick and twisted as that of ISIS. One is willing to murder and maim; the other is willing to forgive the murderers and denigrate the victims to somehow appear virtuous.

    in a culture that promoted actual virtue ppl genetically inclined to virtue signal would be benign – in the past she might have volunteered at a hospital or something

    the sickness is they are signalling what the *media* – the current moral arbiters – say is virtue

    and at best the media is a tool of the cheap labor lobby and at worst malicious

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  121. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @International Jew
    Muslims are integrating better in America, but the details of why that is makes leftists uncomfortable. They're integrating here because we enforce minimum wage laws less zealously than the Europeans do. And thus, our Muslims are busy driving taxis 18 hours a day, while in Europe they sit on their butts dreaming of jihad unless they can wangle a corporate-type job.

    Not true.

    Muslims in Europe are like Mexicans in the US – nearest source of cheap unskilled labor for the cheap labor lobby and so the vast majority are unskilled labor.

    There’s no difference between Europe and the US with that demographic except numbers.

    The difference in the states is total numbers and the proportion of unskilled ppl to ppl who came via college.

    If Max Boot gets what he wants – importing cheap labor to sit permanently at the bottom of the pile getting angry – then the US will have exactly the same problem.

    Simply put unskilled immigrant labor can *never* have the life they think they will get in the West; they kinda could back in the 60s when the numbers were much smaller but not now so they sit at the bottom getting bitter and angry, raping 13 year olds or plotting jihad.

    And ppl like Max Boot are to blame for all of it.

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  122. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Hubbub
    From today's USAToday editorial:

    It takes Muslims to stand against the tiny minority of savage radicals in the U.S. and other nations, and Muslim forces to stand against ISIL in Syria, Iraq, Libya and everywhere they have gained a foothold. Alienating crucial allies in a shared war against extremists is, quite simply, stupid. Americans should not let it happen.
     
    What I find mindbogglingly stupid is editorial comment that implies that it is perfectly alright if several score or hundreds of citizens are massacred as long as there is no Hatred against those Muslims who are most likely to kill them and that they be accepted with open arms (borders). People like these USAToday editors and the Max Boots of the world are such Magnificent A-sho-es that it his difficult to fathom the world in which they slime-walk.

    What I find mindbogglingly stupid is…

    It’s not stupidity.

    They want open borders.

    So when things like this happen their motivation is to say whatever they can think of to stop white ppl shutting down immigration.

    So yes their arguments are stupid but they’re not – they’re evil.

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  123. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    "You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.
    Or Mexican drug gangs."

    If you talk about averages, than Mexicans and Negroes on average are not trouble making criminals either.

    Its not about averages, its about disproportions. For a group that makes up less than 1 percent of The U.S population, Muslims sure have committed a lot of terrorist attacks and mass shootings on U.S soil.

    If Jews were the perpetrators in the Boston bombings, the Tennessee shootings, the Fort Hood shootings, 9/11, and San Bernardino, you would be talking about how Jews are overrepresented among American terrorists, for a group that makes up only 3 percent of The U.S population.

    You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.

    Visible trouble maybe.

    My experience of (non professionals) ppl from that part of the world is they have no respect for the law so if they can get away with it they ignore hygiene regs, fire regs, illegal working, fraud etc.

    Again, a lot of this relates to percentages from different socioeconomic segments.

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  124. (1)Problem in EU is failure to assimilate Muslim immigrants. US has done better job, but (2)Trump attacks alienate Muslims & threaten security.

    I’d like to break this down a little bit.

    1) Assimilation is something that you do to people from another culture. You successfully assimilate them, or you fail to assimilate them. If there is a “failure to assimilate,” it’s implictly a failure on your part, not on theirs. Assimilation isn’t something that they decide to do, or not; it’s something that you must accomplish by changing yourself, your behavior and attitudes, in order to match their wishes and expectations.

    2) Muslim immigrants may be made to feel alienated by comments or political proposals they deem hostile. Lots of people, or groups of people, feel alienated from the larger society. Boot’s subsequent statement makes clear that a Muslim sense of alienation constitutes a de facto security threat. So, to what lengths would a society have to go to make sure that its Muslim immigrants, or more accurately its descendants of immigrants, never felt alienated?

    If there is a sub-population which demonstrates a propensity toward acts of organized violence on a massive scale as a result of feelings of alienation, is it wise to pursue a policy of importing more such people?

    He doesn’t make a very persuasive case.

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  125. @Anonymous
    If they don’t have citizenship, they’re not citizens.

    You lying weasel. As if some label Israel or you applies them justifies your denying them civil rights on the basis of their religion and your attempt to push them off of the land. They were there long before you jews got there. They have a greater claim than you do.

    The Muslims are citizens of that land, whether you admit them or not. It is their native home. Their homeland.

    The marginalization of blacks in the United States was not suddenly justified because the United States determined that blacks were not full "citizens."

    Some Arab residents of Israel turned down citizenship.

    Millions of Muslims and Christians for whom Palestine is their homeland have never been offered citizenship on account of their race and religion. Millions live as refugees because Israel won't even let them return home, even as second class citizens. You disgust me.

    Over 1 million are citizens.

    Millions more "citizens" are denied equal rights because of their race and religion.

    Compare their lot to that of Muslims in France or Belgium.

    In France and Begium, Muslims generally enjoy greater rights than they do in Israel under jewish rule.

    In France and Begium, Muslims generally enjoy greater rights than they do in Israel under jewish rule

    And how do Muslim rights fare under Arab rule?

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  126. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    "You average Muslim makes far less trouble than Negroes.
    Or Mexican drug gangs."

    If you talk about averages, than Mexicans and Negroes on average are not trouble making criminals either.

    Its not about averages, its about disproportions. For a group that makes up less than 1 percent of The U.S population, Muslims sure have committed a lot of terrorist attacks and mass shootings on U.S soil.

    If Jews were the perpetrators in the Boston bombings, the Tennessee shootings, the Fort Hood shootings, 9/11, and San Bernardino, you would be talking about how Jews are overrepresented among American terrorists, for a group that makes up only 3 percent of The U.S population.

    “Its not about averages, its about disproportions. For a group that makes up less than 1 percent of The U.S population, Muslims sure have committed a lot of terrorist attacks and mass shootings on U.S soil. If Jews were the perpetrators in the Boston bombings, the Tennessee shootings, the Fort Hood shootings, 9/11, and San Bernardino, you would be talking about how Jews are overrepresented among American terrorists, for a group that makes up only 3 percent of The U.S population.”

    Don’t be a dammy. These acts of violence are in retaliation for Western violence against the Muslim world.

    Given all the hell unleashed on the Muslims, I’m surprised that the violence is as low as it is.

    Look at Palestinians whose homeland was totally destroyed by US-Zionist policy.
    But MOST Palestinian-Americans are not terrorists.

    Gaddafi gave up his WMD. This is what he got.

    And Israel used terrorism to kill people in Iran. But US doesn’t condemn Israel for terrorism.
    Media puts quotes around ‘terrorism’.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/world/middleeast/iran-reports-killing-of-nuclear-scientist.html?_r=0

    Imagine what would happen if Iran did this to an Israeli nuke scientist.

    Iran is called a ‘sponsor of terrorism’. But when was the last time Iran sent terrorists to the US?
    Most Iranian-Americans are decent people.

    If anything, it is US-backed Muslim nations, esp Saudi and turkey, that have been playing with fire, made all the worse by the West messing up Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

    Saudis have the biggest funders of nuttery, but US never attacks its policy.

    And US built up the radical nuts in Afghanistan.

    But then, US will even hire neo-nazi goons in Ukraine to use against Russia.

    As for Zionists and Jews, they don’t need to use terror when they have control of entire US military to destroy entire nations.

    What US bombs did to the Middle East is 1000x worse than these terrorist attacks.

    But it’s not just the ‘invade’. There is the ‘invite’ from the very nations most harmed by the US.
    Jews own the media and politicians and pressure US and EU to take in all these Muslims.

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/306470-one-lawyer-with-a-briefcase-can-steal-more-than-a

    “One lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns …”

    I’m not for immigration. I would end all non-white immigration and send all the illegals back.

    But all this braying about the moos without taking into crazy neo-imperialist neocon destructionist policy is crazy.

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  127. Max, Islam is no more assimilated in America than it is in Europe. The point is, they will never assimilate. They despise our culture, our way of life, capitalism and in Europe their socialism/Marxism.

    Their goal is to colonize both North America and Europe, destroy the Constitution and start enforcing shariah law.

    If you think that Islam is assimilating in America because it seems more peaceful here than in Europe, then you do not understand the process of the Islamic jihad.
    The jihad is just more advanced in Europe than here in America. For example, there are about 30 million Muslims in Europe, a large enough showing to start the war of muscles, hence all of the slaughter going on there. Whilst in America, their numbers are not enough yet to begin a war of muscles.

    Study Islam, Mr. Max and marvel at how clever this evil movement really is.

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