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Another NYT article on the GOP donors and their hirelings plotting to start a third party to thwart Trump and throw the election to Hillary:

Anti-Trump Republicans Call for a Third-Party Option
By ALEXANDER BURNS MARCH 2, 2016

Spurred by Donald J. Trump’s mounting victories, a small but influential — and growing — group of conservative leaders are calling for a third-party option to spare voters a wrenching general election choice between a Republican they consider completely unacceptable and Hillary Clinton.

While he has gained intense popularity on the right, Mr. Trump has alienated key blocs in the Republican coalition with his slash-and-burn campaign. For many, his initial refusal last weekend to disavow an endorsement from David Duke, the white supremacist, was a breaking point.

Two top Republicans, Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Gov. Charlie Baker of Massachusetts, said this week that they would not vote for Mr. Trump in November.

William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine, said he would work actively to put forward an “independent Republican” ticket if Mr. Trump was the nominee, and floated Mr. Sasse as a recruit.

“That ticket would simply be a one-time, emergency adjustment to the unfortunate circumstance (if it happens) of a Trump nomination,” Mr. Kristol wrote in an email. It “would support other Republicans running for Congress and other offices, and would allow voters to correct the temporary mistake (if they make it) of nominating Trump.”

Boot’s 2016 Dream Ticket

Max Boot, a foreign policy adviser to Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, said that if efforts to block Mr. Trump fell short, he would vote against a Republican nominee for the first time in his life.

“I would sooner vote for Josef Stalin than I would vote for Donald Trump,” said Mr. Boot, who expressed optimism that Mr. Trump could still be defeated.

He added: “There is no way in hell I would ever vote for him. I would far more readily support Hillary Clinton, or Bloomberg if he ran.”

But a Stalin-Trotsky Unity Ticket would really get Max’s juices flowing.

Is anybody going to be asked to disavow their old compadre Max Boot for his avowing Stalin? Or does this game only work in one direction?

… Defections of any scale could prove lethal to Mr. Trump. He already trails Mrs. Clinton in general election polls, and polling already shows the possibility of mass desertions from the party. A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey this week found that 48 percent of Republicans who do not already back Mr. Trump said they would probably not or definitely not support him in November.

What should the donor party be named? I asked that question last week and got 344 suggestions, including the Donner Party and the Banana Republicans.

Any new suggestions?

 

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  1. The mask comes off. A very influential Jew admits he’d rather vote for a genocidal leftist totalitarian dictator than a moderately right wing populist German-Scottish-American real estate mogul.

    Who needs “white supremacists” like Duke when Jews do such an astounding job of demonstrating their hatred of whites?

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  2. Banana Republicans is incredible. I’ve been proud of some of my own puns, but that’s art.

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  3. Jeeves to Wooster: “You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound.” (Funnier if heard as un-ironic).

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  4. >That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
    And then is heard no more. It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.<

  5. For many, his initial refusal last weekend to disavow an endorsement from David Duke, the white supremacist, was a breaking point.

    I’m waiting for the Democrats to “disavow” Thomas Jefferson. Or even for someone to ask them to,

    They’ve already essentially replaced the $2 bill with the $3 bill.

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  6. Two top Republicans, Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Gov. Charlie Baker of Massachusetts, said this week that they would not vote for Mr. Trump in November.

    The Democratic governors of both Georgia and Oklahoma in 1932 called FDR a Bolshevik.

    That’s apparently what their constituents wanted, too, judging by the returns.

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  7. This is getting to be more like the 1896 election all the time. In that year anti-Bryan Democrats formed a ‘Gold Democrat’ party explicitly to draw votes away from Bryan.

    As it turned out, the Gold Democrats got few votes-Bryan lost the election all by himself and went on to become the most consistent loser in American Presidential politics (a GOP slogan in 1908 went: ‘Vote for Taft now. You can always vote for Bryan later’)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_(United_States)

    Anyhow maybe luck will set it and the US can finally get a viable third party. More recent attempts at creating a third party fizzled at least in part because they were too focused on one individual.

  8. Stalin did start (Finland, Poland), conspire to start (Germany?), and give the nod to go ahead with (South Korea) plenty of invasions, which is near to Boot’s ideal of statesmanship.

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  9. These reactions are much crazier than the Trump phenomenon. Turns out the lunatics who ranted about the real hate for average white people in the establishment wheren’t clumsily exaggerating a small truth, they were just accurate. Sorry.

  10. Or maybe they were prescient, given what FDR accomplished for the international communist movement in 1945.

  11. Trump is the only presidential candidate to my knowledge since I’ve been born who represents the interests of the American people, and who has a good shot at winning.That he pisses off establishment dingleberries like Boot is a feature, not a flaw.

  12. “While he has gained intense popularity on the right, Mr. Trump . . .”

    And on the moderate left and center.

    Does Trump control the party if he becomes the nominee, or only if he becomes the president?

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  13. Wow! Those republicans would rather vote for Hillary Clinton?
    Is this Bizarro world!

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  14. If only Carlos Slim could run for President. Now there’s an oligarch the NYT could support.

  15. My favorite line is about Jeeves looking like a “sheep with a secret sorrow”.

  16. “I would sooner vote for Josef Stalin than I would vote for Donald Trump,” said Mr. Boot…

    …to the surprise of no one who pays attention.

  17. Sir:
    You are right about Stalin. See Victor Suvorov; one of his books, e.g.
    The Chief Culprit: Stalin’s Grand Design to Start World War II,
    $ 15.10 + $ 3.99 S&H on Amazon:

    http://www.amazon.com/Chief-Culprit-Stalins-Grand-Design/dp/1591148065

  18. Makes sense, I can picture Boot working for the NKVD.

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  19. I recall some bloggers on the left came up with the term “Donner party conservatism”, which was one of the things that always serves to remind me that I am essentially right-wing, however much distaste I may develop for others who purport to represent it.

  20. Mitt Romney gave his anti-Trump speech today with the Hinkley Institute name prominently displayed behind him.

    Is this a cosmic joke or a subtle hint that they might just have a “lone nut” kill the guy if he gets to far?

    Trump might have more in common with Reagan than we want to think about.

  21. Oh for heaven’s sake. He’s a Jew. He will move to any party that supports Israel. There are no permanent loyalties. To the neocons the Republican Party is just another colonial outpost. It only became popular once the WASPs were run off three or four decades ago.

    I feel a bit sorry for him, trying to maintain an American universalism and a Jewish/Israeli particularism at the same time in the same head. For his mental health and sanity he should make aliyah and move to Israel where he can live and vote explicitly for his people. I would have much more respect for him as a human being. His torturous, byzantine, cognitive-dissonant, pretzel-like mental gymnastics are so sad he make Theodore Herzl spin in his grave.

    Go live with your people, Max. Fight for them. Die for them (if necessary). The world will respect you for it.

  22. I wonder if Boot realizes that as a Soviet Jew he probably shouldn’t have said that?

    My guess is no.

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  23. Did anyone else notice the Romney speech was at the Hinckley Center? The Manchurian Candidate/twilight language symbology of that is disturbing.

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  24. Stalin’s electoral record, 99% approval all the time:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_legislative_election,_1937

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_legislative_election,_1946

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_legislative_election,_1950

    So I agree with Boot if Stalin was running everyone would vote for him. I don’t think Boot thought about his silly suggestion.

    Of topic but Phyllis Kahn is running again against Somalis.

    Somali candidates challenge Rep. Kahn for DFL nod

    http://blogs.mprnews.org/capitol-view/2015/10/phyllis-kahn-picks-up-a-few-dfl-challengers/

  25. Which reminds me of when Vladimir Putin politely but firmly reminded some folks about #BolsheviksSoWhite:

    Vladimir Putin: The rabbi just mentioned the difficult fate of a clergy member who was arrested in 1927. He said that today’s event is truly momentous in the lives of Jewish people.

    You know, I thought about something just now. The decision to nationalise this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80–85% Jewish.

    But they were guided by false ideological considerations and supported the arrest and repression of Jews, Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims and members of other faiths. They grouped everyone into the same category.

    Thankfully, those ideological goggles and faulty ideological perceptions collapsed. And today, we are essentially returning these books to the Jewish community with a happy smile. I congratulate all of you on this event.

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/18336#sel=12:1,15:33

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  26. Not necessarily either. Being president would give him an awful lot of patronage power, however, and that’s a great lever in party politics.

  27. Hinckley was a failure. Wake me when he speaks at the Oswald Institute.

  28. “… would allow voters to correct the temporary mistake (if they make it) of nominating Trump.”

    Das Boot has obviously studied the EU’s governance principles and wishes to apply them to the US.

  29. @steve_sailer I know your a keep the union intact guy, so I’m I, but it’s seems were getting allot closer to a break up of the United States as we know it. Could be the next significant economic downtown. Trump is re-enfranchising voters who have been left out for a while. This time I don’t think they will go away quietly.

  30. For many, his initial refusal last weekend to disavow an endorsement from David Duke, the white supremacist, was a breaking point.

    “Many”? Many? That’s a bunch of garbage. This is just classic NYT-ese, like “according to most experts” or the “critical Hispanic vote.” He might have actually gained a few supporters because the obvious witch-hunt nature of the question.

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  31. Since Boot was born in the Soviet Union, that may explain the warm spot in his heart for Joseph Stalin. His being a neoconservative would explain the warm spot for Trotsky, another Communist killer. But, even if one attributes entirely to the KKK the 5000 or so people who were lynched in the U.S. between 1882 and 1959 according to the Tuskegee Institute, that number pales by comparison to the millions of Russians and others murdered by Stalin. That says a lot about Max Boot’s values

  32. Nice to see Max Boot, champion of fighting wars that combine idiotic ROE and have a tenuous, at best, connection to US interests, demonstrate his true allegiance.

    Torture, murder, systematic terror, crimes against humanity exceeded only by Mao, all good for Max Boot. But someone looking out for American interests? Not for Max.

    Occasionally I have doubts about Trump – I don’t presume to know what he will actually do. But showing Max Boot to be not just a contemptible traitor, but an enemy of humanity – that alone is worth supporting Trump.

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  33. The country’s been run by a single Uniparty for a long time. Trump’s candidacy is simply bringing that reality fully out into the open. Our elections are like those in the Soviet Union, theater intended to convey some degree of democratic legitimacy to an oligarchic one party state.

    If an outsider comes along and tries to utilize the established mechanism to reach a different end, then ‘both parties’, so-called, unite to destroy him.

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  34. There are two sets of rules when it comes to these things. Under the current arrangement who’s going to give Max Boot any trouble for saying this or anything else that pops into his head? This is why we need Trump to just bulldoze straight through all this.

  35. Yes, as noted above. (I spelled Hinckley wrong of course.)

    At least Trump won’t choose a Bush as his vice president, so he might be safer than Reagan was.

    We all know such conspiracies don’t really happen though, don’t we?

  36. Alexander Cockburn used to refer to the GOP as “Banana Republicans” back in the 1980s.

  37. I like how he says “I thought about something just now” then sticks the knife in.

  38. I’m waiting for the Democrats to “disavow” Thomas Jefferson. Or even for someone to ask them to,

    Well, judging by what’s happening to the Jefferson-Jackson Day fundraising dinners, I would say that Jefferson’s future prospects look mighty dim….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Jackson_Day

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  39. Face palm! Max, how did your people’s support for Stalin work out last time?
    C’mon man, supercomputer, in your pocket. Use it. We are

  40. Occasionally I have doubts about Trump – I don’t presume to know what he will actually do. But showing Max Boot to be not just a contemptible traitor, but an enemy of humanity – that alone is worth supporting Trump.

    This. The man’s enemies (Romney, McCain [bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran], who both said he would endanger the USA today!) have convinced me of his rightness.

  41. He’s promised to vote for trumps re-election if he invades Costa Rica though

  42. Or does this game only work in one direction?

    Lol, now there’s a real who/whom! Ah, the millions upon millions of Christian blondes wiped out by the Bolshevik regime were just so many peasants after all, only interested in working the land to provide for their families and maintaining their thousand year culture, spiritual life and heritage. They need to be whipped forward, like cattle, into the glorious *rolls dice* .. socialist future!

  43. Well, Max, journey to where Josef is spending eternity, and vote for him.

  44. “I would sooner vote for Josef Stalin than I would vote for Donald Trump,” said Mr. Boot, who expressed optimism that Mr. Trump could still be defeated.

    Well, let’s take a gander at Uncle Joe’s bodycount from 1929 to 1953:

    1932-33 Famine: Approx 6 million dead (3 million in Ukraine alone)

    1937-38 Great Terror: 682,691 people executed. 247,157 of these deaths occurred as a result of “ethnic operations” (e.g., the Polish Action, during which 111,091 ethnic Poles were killed. In some cases, local NKVD units met their Polish quota by simply selecting Polish names out of the phone book)

    Massacres of Poles during WW2: 21,892 in the Katyn massacre in 1940. Plus 9,817 executed in June of 1941.

    Deaths in GULAG: 1,053,829 “official” deaths for 1934-53. Most historians view this as an undercount (it does not, for example, take into account people who died within days of being released, or while en route to the GULAG, or while being held in in custody awaiting trial/transportation, etc). 1.6 million deaths is usually regarded as a conservative estimate for the true number of deaths during the period 1929-53.

    Deaths due to ethnic cleansing operations during WW2 (Chechens, etc): 231,000 “official” deaths.

    Executions for “cowardice” and “desertion” during WW2: Richard Overy, Russia’s War (1997):”latest Russian estimates put the figure as high as 158,000 sentenced to be shot.”

    People killed during subjugation of the Baltics:

    Kenneth Christie, Historical Injustice and Democratic Transition in Eastern Asia and Northern Europe: Ghosts at the Table of Democracy (2002)
    Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonians (1940-41): 85,000 deported, of which 55,000 killed or died
    Baltics executed during reconquest (1944-45): 30,000
    Postwar partisan war
    Lithuanians: 40-50,000 k.
    Latvian: 25,000
    Estonians: 15,000

    etc, etc,

    Grand Total: Approx 9 million

  45. Boot’s the genius who said we should give out citizenship to each and every foreigner willing to serve in the U.S. military. Build an army of people with no loyalty to the U.S. people, train them, arm them, station them on U S. soil, and assume they won’t turn on us. The man is a genius. I would sooner vote for Joe Stalin than for Max Boot.

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  46. >}Let us now imagine that one day something in our greengrocer snaps and he stops putting up the slogans merely to ingratiate himself. He stops voting in elections he knows are a farce. He begins to say what he really thinks at political meetings. And he even finds the strength in himself to express solidarity with those whom his conscience commands him to support. In this revolt the greengrocer steps out of living within the lie. He rejects the ritual and breaks the rules of the game. He discovers once more his suppressed identity and dignity. He gives his freedom a concrete significance. His revolt is an attempt to live within the truth. . . .

    {15}The bill is not long in coming. He will be relieved of his post as manager of the shop and transferred to the warehouse. His pay will be reduced. His hopes for a holiday in Bulgaria will evaporate. His children’s access to higher education will be threatened. His superiors will harass him and his fellow workers will wonder about him. Most of those who apply these sanctions, however, will not do so from any authentic inner conviction but simply under pressure from conditions, the same conditions that once pressured the greengrocer to display the official slogans. They will persecute the greengrocer either because it is expected of them, or to demonstrate their loyalty, or simply as part of the general panorama, to which belongs an awareness that this is how situations of this sort are dealt with, that this, in fact, is how things are always done, particularly if one is not to become suspect oneself. The executors, therefore, behave essentially like everyone else, to a greater or lesser degree: as components of the post-totalitarian system, as agents of its automatism, as petty instruments of the social auto-totality.

    {16}Thus the power structure, through the agency of those who carry out the sanctions, those anonymous components of the system, will spew the greengrocer from its mouth. The system, through its alienating presence in people, will punish him for his rebellion. It must do so because the logic of its automatism and self-defense dictate it. The greengrocer has not committed a simple, individual offense, isolated in its own uniqueness, but something incomparably more serious. By breaking the rules of the game, he has disrupted the game as such. He has exposed it as a mere game. He has shattered the world of appearances, the fundamental pillar of the system. He has upset the power structure by tearing apart what holds it together. He has demonstrated that living a lie is living a lie. He has broken through the exalted facade of the system and exposed the real, base foundations of power. He has said that the emperor is naked. And because the emperor is in fact naked, something extremely dangerous has happened: by his action, the greengrocer has addressed the world. He has enabled everyone to peer behind the curtain. He has shown everyone that it is possible to live within the truth. Living within the lie can constitute the system only if it is universal. The principle must embrace and permeate everything. There are no terms whatsoever on which it can co-exist with living within the truth, and therefore everyone who steps out of line denies it in principle and threatens it in its entirety. <

  47. National Review fired Ann Coulter and John Derbyshire for unacceptable statements. What would a Las Vegas bookie offer for odds on the same happening to Max Boot?

    National Review – committed to conservatism and accepting Stalinism. Hypocrisy would blush at the dishonesty, but Stalin is looking up with wonder from his hotseat in Hell, and Satan is smiling.

  48. Max Boot, a foreign policy adviser to Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, said that if efforts to block Mr. Trump fell short, he would vote against a Republican nominee for the first time in his life.

    “I would sooner vote for Josef Stalin than I would vote for Donald Trump,” said Mr. Boot, who expressed optimism that Mr. Trump could still be defeated.

    Has Rubio been forced to disavow Boot and his statement? This is far worse than David Duke. It is unbelievable that a man who was responsible for more deaths than Hitler can be spoken of in such context. Just think what would have been the reaction if some guy had said he would sooner vote for Hitler than Hillary?

    It is unreal, but it does show the true colors of Boot, Rubio and the rest of the neocons.

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  49. For many, his initial refusal last weekend to disavow an endorsement from David Duke, the white supremacist, was a breaking point.

    I’d say the real NYT move there is the utterly false assertion of his “initial” refusal to disavow Duke’s endorsement. In fact he initially did disavow it: it was literally the first thing he said about it when someone asked him at a presser or whatever it was. “I disavow it, okay?” That’s what he said.

    Then he was asked about it the next day on a TV interview and screwed up. He later blamed that on a faulty earpiece. Whatever the truth of that, he initially disavowed it, and he did it in so many words.

  50. He’d rather vote for Stalin, mmmkay. What about Hitler? Is Trump worse than Hitler, or just in between Stalin and Hitler?

    And where would Pol Pot and Mao figure? Would Boot prefer the North Korean Kim dynasty to Trump?

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  51. Have you forgotten how well that worked out for the Western Roman Empire?

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    The country’s been run by a single Uniparty for a long time. Trump’s candidacy is simply bringing that reality fully out into the open. Our elections are like those in the Soviet Union, theater intended to convey some degree of democratic legitimacy to an oligarchic one party state.

    It’s hard not to notice that Trump’s success is not unlike spraying chemicals on an infested apartment. The rats, roaches and spiders come crawling out of all their hiding places in fear and anger and you finally get to see who was really inside.

  53. Rubio’s actions earned my contempt, his campaign earned my disgust, and now Rubio’s silence has unequivocally demonstrated a moral blindness appropriate to his position as a political whore.

  54. Maybe Boot should add a H to his name.

  55. No, revealed preference.

    Many people have been saying for a long time that the two parties basically represent a single entity of elites with little to distinguish them. This is just proof.

  56. “That ticket would simply be a one-time, emergency adjustment to the unfortunate circumstance (if it happens) of a Trump nomination,” Mr. Kristol wrote in an email. It “would support other Republicans running for Congress and other offices, and would allow voters to correct the temporary mistake (if they make it) of nominating Trump.”

    Kristol seems to live in a bubble, immune from any sense of shame and with no awareness of his jaw-dropping arrogance and chutzpah. To him, the American people are just cattle to be prodded towards the candidate that’s best for Israel and the neocons.

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  57. If you want a vision of the future of the Republican party, imagine Max Boot stomping on your face forever.

  58. That’s exactly why I hope Trump has enough sense to boot the neocons out of the Republican Party should he become President and correct the major mistake made by St. Ronald Reagan. Repay their total disloyalty with an appropriate reward and send them back to their natural home, the Democratic Party, if the Democrats would be so insane to take them back.

  59. Name for new party: KKK (Ku Kucks Klan).

  60. […] has-been David Duke, prominent neocon Max Boot told the New York Times, “I would sooner vote for Josef Stalin than I would vote for Donald […]

  61. “That ticket would simply be a one-time, emergency adjustment . . . . ”

    Dear passengers,

    We are making a one-time, emergency adjustment to the arrangement of the lounge chairs on the Upper Promenade Deck. We will be underway again shortly.

    With best wishes, the captain and crew of the Titanic.

  62. Well, judging by what’s happening to the Jefferson-Jackson Day fundraising dinners…

    I’ve got a book somewhere which collected those speeches, and I think it goes up to the ’50s or ’60s even.

    In the 1940 speech, FDR dared to list Lincoln among his heroes, for saving the Union. That November, his support in South Carolina plummeted– to 86%.

  63. In the spirit of France’s centre-right UMP party renaming themselves Les Républicains recently how about Les Bananes?

  64. I couldn’t decide whether this comment was unmitigated gall, which is effectively what you’ve said, or some sort of veiled threat. Maybe both?

  65. Don’t have a name, but how about a slogan:

    “Standing over the American people yelling, ‘this will hurt you more than it will hurt me.’”

  66. Thinking of my slogan above, as well as the “patient benevolence” of our betters such as Max Boot, George Will, etc., how about “The Shepherds Party”?

  67. What name could you think up to call them that would be more accurate and damning than The Donor Party?

  68. Shame on you!

    Nobody anywhere ever in the history of everything was worser than Hitler. Don’tcha ever go to the movies?

  69. a small but influential — and growing — group of conservative leaders are calling for a third-party option to spare voters a wrenching general election choice between a Republican they consider completely unacceptable and Hillary Clinton.

    I suspect that many American voters are already used to having that sort of choice, but now that it’s happening to the oligarchy for a change something must be done about it. What did the NYT expect the neocons to do, lie back and think of Israel?

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    I suggest any such new party be called VICHY REPUBLICANS, and the same label used to replace the somewhat arcane RINO which by now may have lost whatever sting it ever had. It should apply to all Republicans misleaders who represent defeatism and collaboration such as McCain and Boehner_ Petain and Laval.

  71. “Boot’s the genius who said we should give out citizenship to each and every foreigner willing to serve in the U.S. military. Build an army of people with no loyalty to the U.S. people, train them, arm them, station them on U S. soil, and assume they won’t turn on us.”

    No, I rather think he wants an army like that because he thinks they could be used against us.

    He is not part of us.

  72. […] Commenter Cagey Beast directs our attention to this tweet from neocon Max Boot: […]

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