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Commenter landru observes of Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner (a long-time iSteve favorite for his comic lack of self-awareness):

Weiner’s new book was inspired by the look he saw a construction worker give a fifteen year old girl in NY. When successful tv show producers ogle “pretty…innocent looking” fifteen-year-olds, that’s just them doing their job. You know, observing and eavesdropping. But when nasty construction workers do the same thing, that’s just terrifying:

Weiner is like Larry David with no sense of humor.

From NPR:

Heather, The Totality is a slim novel that begins simply, introducing readers to a perfectly pleasant though unremarkable couple, Mark and Karen Breakstone. They live in one of the well-appointed apartment buildings near the Carlyle Hotel — and Weiner suggested we go for a walk in the neighborhood that inspired the book.

“You know, so much of my life as a writer is made out of observing and eavesdropping,” he tells me as we walk along. “And I was just walking and I happened to go down a street and walked by this building. And before I walked by the building, I saw this girl.”

She was a young girl, Weiner says, about 15, very pretty, kind of innocent looking. A construction worker was standing nearby, he says, “and I sort of saw her walk into the building, and right at the moment this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time. And I just felt like, that girl is not safe in that building. It was not a construction worker leering at a woman — not that that’s OK, but that’s not what it was — it was something scarier, and she was completely oblivious.”

There’s a whole terrifying world out there of Catholic construction workers named Bobby invading from New Jersey five days per week to prey on the beautiful 15-year-old girls of Manhattan. If the Matthew Weiners don’t take a stand to protect their Upper East Side womenfolk from the marauding Bridge & Tunnel People, who will?

When you stop and think about it, James Toback was a hero for inviting all those tens of thousands of Upper West Side girls back to his room at the Harvard Club. At least he was trying to keep them away from the Mook Menace.

 
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  1. dee nile says:

    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.

    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.

    Come to think of it, maybe there was no real construction worker around; Weiner just fantasized him.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Not to mention that Jewish men's fantasies about alpha white males is itself "something between sexual and homicidal at the same time."
    , @Ivy
    Wiener was thinking more downtown, with himself in that construction worker role, along the lines of The Village People.

    Will he take on the YMCA next? Who knows how many have suffered microaggressions from that scary institution?
    , @Rifleman

    ...the Mook Menace.
     
    Robby? I thought that was one of the reasons Hillary lost.

    Robby Mook and his Brooklyn based operation was arrogant and insular and didn't respect the concerns of troops on the ground in the upper Midwest.
    , @Neoconned
    Steve this thread reminds me of your post from a few yrs back where you talked about why West Bay tech workers hate hiring white skilled labor.

    You posted a link to that song "Call Me Maybe" where the little white girl gets hot and bothered by a blue collar white dude taking his shirt off and mowing the lawn.

    They hired Mexicans you said to avoid having their wives or daughters hooking up with the blue collar bad boys.

    And they hate plumbers from the East Because they come talk about the Raiders while fixing your toilet.

    And there's nothing more icky and creepy than a black hole Raiders fan.

    It triggers the tech nerds. It reminds them of high school where they were bullied by the Raiders kids who did shop class and dunked their heads in the toilets and stole their lunch money because they were AV Club dorks.....
    , @AnotherDad



    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.
     
    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.
     
    There is definitely something off here, if this is supposed to be white construction worker. No doubt Weiner could have see a white guy staring at the girl, but his look would be licking-his-lips type lust--what he'd like to do with her all night long. There wouldn't be anything "homicidal" in there. (Heck you'd want her for the next day and the day after and the day after that.) But if it was a black guy? To get "homicidal" worked in with the lust, there really has to be some sort of deep hatred--among strangers that means ethnic resentment/hatred.

    For the white guy it's going to be all about enjoy, not destroy.
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  2. It’s called “projection”, Mark.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    No, this isn't projection but protection.

    Some have charged Weiner of having a naughty side, but look at him.
    He looks like James Coco. He's below even nerds. He's a nerdling.

    So, when a mook appears, he feels very small. It's not so much that the construction worker posed a threat to the girl. Rather, he posed a threat to Weiner's mickey-mouse manhood.

    He's done this with other groups as well. Obviously, MAD MEN is populated with tall good-looking guys who have much better chance at getting girls than Weiner ever would.
    Oooooh, he resented those guys.
    In a way, he admires their style and allure. Also, because they reside in a world of form and manners, there are some restraints in place on their behavior, and that made them less threatening.
    It's like Woody Allen's characters can deal with snobby Wasps. The real trouble is with uncouth boors like the ones who steal his parking space in ANYTHING ELSE. Wasps live by some code and must maintain (the facade of) respectability, and so, they can be 'played'.
    But 'construction worker' blue collar guys have no use for rules. It's like the goomba in BLUE JASMINE. Or Kowalski. STELLA!!
    It's like Morrie in GOODFELLAS. He likes to talk big and act pushy. But he realizes Jimmy Conway is not someone you mess with. They don't play golf. They just crack your skull with a baseball bat.

    Of course, Weiner's final call on all these gentile guys, top to bottom, is pretty negative. So, MAD MEN admits that these Wasp guys have style, looks, allure, and etc.
    BUT, they are no good and unworthy to have the good things in life cuz they are 'racist', 'antisemitic', and 'misogynous'.

    As for 'construction worker' types, their manhood lacks style or polish. It's about brute strength, masculinity, and boorish manspreading. And they won't be shamed and cowered since they are not into respectability. They have little to lose even with loss of 'reputation'. Also, they are not averse to fighting back dirty. They are like the goombas who yelled into Shia's art project.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LorCy02uK8I

    Just like The Hissy Coates takes out all his frustrations on educated whites(because they will listen to him and let him put his head on their shoulders), it could be Jews got esp harsh on Wasps cuz Wasps were the ONLY people who showed any decency toward Jews. Blacks robbed and beat up Jews. White ethnic attitude toward Jews was like that of Nick Santoro in CASINO.

    Worse, because of the necessary alliance of Democratic ethnics and blacks with Jews against the ruling Wasp elites, Jews had to mask their anger about mooks and 'sp**ks'.

    So, who was left to hear Jewish complaints? Wasps whose culture of respectability made them more civil and responsive to contrary voices and complaints.

    Maybe Weiner feels some boing for 15 yr girls but he also feels as Holden Caulfied trying to protecting them from brutes. He may feel that his appreciation for their beauty and charm is REAL whereas mooks and goombas see just meat.

    It's like LOLITA. Humbert is a perv but he tries to protect Lolita from others because he considers his love to be special and poetic. And of course, he's also trying to protect his own sense of worth.

    , @Rifleman
    More fuel for the analysis of Jewish ethnic paranoia:

    Laurence Tribe calls Trump's misspelling of "Frankenstein" "at least subconsciously antisemitic."
    Trump tweeted:
     
    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/11/laurence-tribe-calls-trumps-misspelling.html
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  3. IHTG says:

    When you stop and think about it, James Toback was a hero for inviting all those tens of thousands of Upper West Side girls back to his room at the Harvard Club. At least he was keeping them away from the Mook Menace.

    Getting pretty nasty there, Steve.

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  4. …Weiner’s new book was inspired by the look he saw a construction worker give a fifteen year old girl in NY.

    Tawana Brawley?

    When Al “Grandpa Munster” Lewis ran for governor in New York, he told his interviewers on a Utica radio station that he wanted a 15-year-old Japanese girl with one of those big hats.

    You could get away with that in 1998, if you were 88 and not taken seriously as a candidate. But George Bush is older and not only isn’t running, but isn’t even walking!

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  5. Moses says:

    My money’s on fabrication and projection.

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  6. Whiskey says: • Website

    Matthew Weiner did not make a very good bet did he? Marti Noxon of all people* is making a stand against him. Figuring she not him will be making all those cool, hip shows no one watches but gets tons of awards like Transparent or Mad Men.

    And the general purge, even or *ESPECIALLY* of Jewish White males so that ambitious women like Marti Noxon and non White men like Ewok N Yank-ya (never trust an Ewok, didn’t anyone see Return of the Jedi?) can take their place.

    Weiner’s falure was that of elementary arithmetic. A failure to count.

    There is an unlimited supply of ambitious but talentless White women like Noxon and various aggrieved non-Whites like the Woke Professor Yanking-Ya. There is a limited supply of jobs they consider appropriate. THEY are not going to be asking if you want a double latte or want fries with that! And all the conservative White men have been purged years ago. Thus women like Noxon and whatevers like DeRay McKesson have ambitions, dang it! And Weiner is out as anyone who could count could predict.

    This is about POWER pure and simple. Non Whites and Nice White Ladies like Noxon want it, Weiner has it, and the only way for the former to be happy is to get rid of Weiner. Pun intended.

    *Noxon is famous for as Show-runner on Buffy projecting her “bad boyfriend rape experiencnes” onto the show, because every tween girl aspires to have her vampire boyfriend rape her and it all be her fault. Because her boyfriend was bad, but oh so ohhhhhhh! …. SEXY! [Because he was bad.] Noxon’s prior writing experience before being plucked out of obscurity by Whedon (I am POSITIVE!!11Eleventy!!!! nothing was going on there folks) was some experimental play about a girl whose bad boyfriend raped her and then attempted suicide beautifully or something.

    It is not as if Nice White ladies are anything but a pile of incompetence upon neuroses. Even a hack like Whedon can be half-way competent when called upon and motivated. That’s beyond Noxon and her ilk. Exhibit A: Shonda Rhimes.

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    Future America as Zimbabwe except that white women and black men and Latinxes are supposed to share the "farms" formerly owned by white (often Jewish) men. Somehow this does not strike me as a stable long term arrangement but rather just a prelude to further purges (just as, once Mugabe got done with the whites he went after his "fellow" black Ndebele revolutionaries).
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  7. Olorin says:
    @dee nile

    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.
     
    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.

    Come to think of it, maybe there was no real construction worker around; Weiner just fantasized him.

    Not to mention that Jewish men’s fantasies about alpha white males is itself “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.”

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  8. This is fabulistic even by the low standards of T’Genius Coates. You’d think a guy who tells stories for a living could come up with something better than this BS. But the libs will find it fake but accurate.

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    Is it that implausible that Weiner was checking out a pretty 15-year-old girl on the Upper East Side one when he noticed some New Jersey construction worker checking her out too, and that aroused primal emotions in him about how the mooks were coming to take our UES womenfolk?

    Similarly, TN Coates' famous story of some Elaine Benes-type on the Upper West Side getting exasperated by his toddler blocking the escalator sounds extremely plausible.
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  9. Ivy says:
    @dee nile

    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.
     
    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.

    Come to think of it, maybe there was no real construction worker around; Weiner just fantasized him.

    Wiener was thinking more downtown, with himself in that construction worker role, along the lines of The Village People.

    Will he take on the YMCA next? Who knows how many have suffered microaggressions from that scary institution?

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  10. @Jim Don Bob
    This is fabulistic even by the low standards of T'Genius Coates. You'd think a guy who tells stories for a living could come up with something better than this BS. But the libs will find it fake but accurate.

    Is it that implausible that Weiner was checking out a pretty 15-year-old girl on the Upper East Side one when he noticed some New Jersey construction worker checking her out too, and that aroused primal emotions in him about how the mooks were coming to take our UES womenfolk?

    Similarly, TN Coates’ famous story of some Elaine Benes-type on the Upper West Side getting exasperated by his toddler blocking the escalator sounds extremely plausible.

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    Maybe. But both stories have so much spot on self-serving detail that I think them Too Good To Be True.
    , @Not Raul
    the Elaine Benes menace
    , @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere
    It's not implausible. In fact, there is the precedent of his tribalistic sensibility enabling him to depict Scottish clannishness (mention of which promptly led commenters on another thread to tell funny anecdotes, like the Australian centenarian veteran greeting his fellow old soldier with "Campbell, eh?")
    , @william munny
    I believe both stories because they are both pathetic, in a sense. As in, is that it? If Weiner said the construction worker said something rude, gestured, or grabbed at her, I wouldn't believe it. If Coates's child got called the n-word, I wouldn't believe it.
    , @Jack D
    I agree. These do not smell like the usual hate hoaxes. The marker of a hate hoax is that is it so perfect. The cracker woman doesn't say, "Could you please stop blocking the escalator." [Is that a metaphor, BTW?] She say, "Out of my way, N-word. You should have stayed on the cotton plantation!" The construction worker doesn't just look at the 15 year old girl lustily, he shouts obscene suggestions at her and maybe even grabs her.

    But since real world Grand Kleaglesses and girl grabbers are in short supply on the UWS, this is the best that they can (truthfully) come up with and the phoniness comes not from outright falsity but from the attempt to spin true but fundamentally harmless encounters into racist/sexist outrages. I don't know which is worse. In the case of the hate hoaxes, you can at least admit that IF these things actually happened they would be bad, but in the case of the Great Escalator Massacre, even assuming they are telling the truth, so what?

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  11. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time. And I just felt like, that girl is not safe in that building.

    We gotta have Jim Crowbar laws to save precious girls from mooks.

    Gotta save them Urban belles from those leering brutes.

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  12. Rifleman says:
    @dee nile

    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.
     
    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.

    Come to think of it, maybe there was no real construction worker around; Weiner just fantasized him.

    …the Mook Menace.

    Robby? I thought that was one of the reasons Hillary lost.

    Robby Mook and his Brooklyn based operation was arrogant and insular and didn’t respect the concerns of troops on the ground in the upper Midwest.

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  13. Declane says:

    “It’s been wonderful watching her develop… into an accomplished actress!”

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    That looks like Humpty Dumpty and Alice in Wonderland.
    , @Lurker
    The body language is horrific.

    https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-dWuhoHV0438%2FWd9P-PX61wI%2FAAAAAAAACBM%2FejXLsxD_nnEVCsPUcfF7GkXIbwW2NhNmQCLcBGAs%2Fs640%2FzzzWeinstein.PNG&key=Jbjpa3BytkQj88M65bgKYw
    , @ben tillman
    Who are those people?
    , @AnotherDad
    Shiksa bait!

    Now that is creepy. Maybe Weiner just permanently looks creepy all the time, otherwise Weiner really needs to reign it in. Let the shiksas actually grow up before he tries his "you owe me line".

    ~~

    BTW, this girl was well cast and did a good job. She's got the whole all-American girl next door thing going on and combined it with a petulant, willful unhappiness with her lot as divorced kid, while projecting a wounded vulnerability and desire just to have daddy home.
    , @the one they call Desanex
    Notice the horns on his head.
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  14. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Richard of Melbourne
    It's called "projection", Mark.

    No, this isn’t projection but protection.

    Some have charged Weiner of having a naughty side, but look at him.
    He looks like James Coco. He’s below even nerds. He’s a nerdling.

    So, when a mook appears, he feels very small. It’s not so much that the construction worker posed a threat to the girl. Rather, he posed a threat to Weiner’s mickey-mouse manhood.

    He’s done this with other groups as well. Obviously, MAD MEN is populated with tall good-looking guys who have much better chance at getting girls than Weiner ever would.
    Oooooh, he resented those guys.
    In a way, he admires their style and allure. Also, because they reside in a world of form and manners, there are some restraints in place on their behavior, and that made them less threatening.
    It’s like Woody Allen’s characters can deal with snobby Wasps. The real trouble is with uncouth boors like the ones who steal his parking space in ANYTHING ELSE. Wasps live by some code and must maintain (the facade of) respectability, and so, they can be ‘played’.
    But ‘construction worker’ blue collar guys have no use for rules. It’s like the goomba in BLUE JASMINE. Or Kowalski. STELLA!!
    It’s like Morrie in GOODFELLAS. He likes to talk big and act pushy. But he realizes Jimmy Conway is not someone you mess with. They don’t play golf. They just crack your skull with a baseball bat.

    Of course, Weiner’s final call on all these gentile guys, top to bottom, is pretty negative. So, MAD MEN admits that these Wasp guys have style, looks, allure, and etc.
    BUT, they are no good and unworthy to have the good things in life cuz they are ‘racist’, ‘antisemitic’, and ‘misogynous’.

    As for ‘construction worker’ types, their manhood lacks style or polish. It’s about brute strength, masculinity, and boorish manspreading. And they won’t be shamed and cowered since they are not into respectability. They have little to lose even with loss of ‘reputation’. Also, they are not averse to fighting back dirty. They are like the goombas who yelled into Shia’s art project.

    Just like The Hissy Coates takes out all his frustrations on educated whites(because they will listen to him and let him put his head on their shoulders), it could be Jews got esp harsh on Wasps cuz Wasps were the ONLY people who showed any decency toward Jews. Blacks robbed and beat up Jews. White ethnic attitude toward Jews was like that of Nick Santoro in CASINO.

    Worse, because of the necessary alliance of Democratic ethnics and blacks with Jews against the ruling Wasp elites, Jews had to mask their anger about mooks and ‘sp**ks’.

    So, who was left to hear Jewish complaints? Wasps whose culture of respectability made them more civil and responsive to contrary voices and complaints.

    Maybe Weiner feels some boing for 15 yr girls but he also feels as Holden Caulfied trying to protecting them from brutes. He may feel that his appreciation for their beauty and charm is REAL whereas mooks and goombas see just meat.

    It’s like LOLITA. Humbert is a perv but he tries to protect Lolita from others because he considers his love to be special and poetic. And of course, he’s also trying to protect his own sense of worth.

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    Good points.

    On the east coast, lots of the working-class Italian/Irish ethnics are into a culture of brutish masculinity. So I'd imagine that Weiner feels physically threatened by meathead goombahs who look and talk like Rocky Balboa and Tony Manero.

    Watch an Italian talk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu5oUslEvPY

    Perhaps he also feels sexually threatened too, as Italians are good looking people. Lots of NY/NJ Jewish girls actually do go for Italian guys, but mostly just for flings. They usually don't marry them though, as Italians tend to come across as dim and prole. For marriage, lots of Jewish go into gold digger mode and target guys like Weiner. Maybe that's why he's so angry. Perhaps, on some level, he resents that Jewish princesses (at least when they're younger) are so much more sexually easygoing with guidos than their own men.
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  15. TheBoom says:

    Wiener’s story about the girl might be enough to get the ADL to have the legislation pass one of their proclaims against white supremacists who come into Jewish neighborhoods to prey on Jewish girls. It can urge the FBI to use drones to patrol the neighborhoods to make sure that middle-aged Jewish men don’t have any competition. Sorry, to protect the girls.

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    LOL
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  16. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Declane
    https://i.imgur.com/0RWhT0q.jpg

    "It's been wonderful watching her develop... into an accomplished actress!"

    That looks like Humpty Dumpty and Alice in Wonderland.

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  17. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Did Law & Order ever do an episode based on Adrienne Shelly‘s murder, changing the culprit from an illegal immigrant construction worker from Ecuador to a white one from New Jersey?

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    Yes.
    She had been a guest star previous to her murder.

    https://www.moviefone.com/2007/02/16/tonights-law-and-order-does-adrienne-shelly-murder-for-sweeps/

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  18. These guys are considered to suffer from the disease of bad taste . Northeastern people are not all that friendly either though that cuts across all class lines . Wiener might be a phony and projecting but he also is the worst type of snob in that he snobs out against only acceptable targets . Guaranteed he meant a white ethnic construction worker .

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  19. @Steve Sailer
    Is it that implausible that Weiner was checking out a pretty 15-year-old girl on the Upper East Side one when he noticed some New Jersey construction worker checking her out too, and that aroused primal emotions in him about how the mooks were coming to take our UES womenfolk?

    Similarly, TN Coates' famous story of some Elaine Benes-type on the Upper West Side getting exasperated by his toddler blocking the escalator sounds extremely plausible.

    Maybe. But both stories have so much spot on self-serving detail that I think them Too Good To Be True.

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    What's so great about Teh-Genius Coates' Escalator Story? The reason I bring it up all the time is because it's so lame and yet it's one of the best anecdotes he has got.
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  20. If this incident took place in NYC there’s a good chance was Hispanic (an undocumented peeper or wet dreamer if you will.). So the guy is vibrantdiversophobic as well as an emotional gynopedestrian or whatever.

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  21. Mr. Anon says:

    This construction worker – was he, uh, black?

    In any event, how did Weiner know what the look on the guy’s face meant? Maybe he had just eaten a bad breakfast burrito and was dyspeptic.

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    In Weiner's novel, the construction worker is Bobby from New Jersey.

    Like Bobby Canavale:

    http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/5405121199544ac393c1223a8adff7ea/bobby-cannavale-directed-by-richard-linklater-b81pbc.jpg

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  22. jjbees says:

    Lately, I’ve been thinking of the various hysterias that have seized the country, and been wondering to myself how so many people are believing it all.

    Almost every American is taught about the ridiculousness of the Salem Witch Trials in their elementary school history class, or other ways in which our gullible ancestors bought into various untruths. But then we repeat history and fall for our own hysterias.

    I wonder what personality trait is most associated with detecting a false narrative (aka “bulls**t detection). My guess is that individuals with very low levels of agreeableness tend towards not buying into propaganda. So the main problem of our time may be a surfeit of agreeable people.

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  23. slumber_j says:

    Well, the construction-worker thing is unsurprisingly a real phenomenon, for whatever that’s worth. That’s why people have been noticing it for so long. But the notion that Wiener is only just noticing it himself, according to him, sounds fake.

    BTW, I was talking to a movie-producer friend of mine the night before last who has a Toback production in the can right now. Apparently it’s a tough sale.

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  24. Ivy says:
    @TheBoom
    Wiener's story about the girl might be enough to get the ADL to have the legislation pass one of their proclaims against white supremacists who come into Jewish neighborhoods to prey on Jewish girls. It can urge the FBI to use drones to patrol the neighborhoods to make sure that middle-aged Jewish men don't have any competition. Sorry, to protect the girls.

    LOL

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  25. @Mr. Anon
    This construction worker - was he, uh, black?

    In any event, how did Weiner know what the look on the guy's face meant? Maybe he had just eaten a bad breakfast burrito and was dyspeptic.

    In Weiner’s novel, the construction worker is Bobby from New Jersey.

    Like Bobby Canavale:

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    In Weiner’s novel, the construction worker is Bobby from New Jersey.
     
    I meant the one he claims to have seen.
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  26. @Jim Don Bob
    Maybe. But both stories have so much spot on self-serving detail that I think them Too Good To Be True.

    What’s so great about Teh-Genius Coates’ Escalator Story? The reason I bring it up all the time is because it’s so lame and yet it’s one of the best anecdotes he has got.

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    Steve, there are two types of people on the Upper West Side: rude pushy women, and people who have to deal with them. For the latter, they read TNC’s story and remember something similar in their own experience. Suddenly they have a new feeling of empathy with a famous black intellectual—and that’s a very affirming pat on the back for them.

    For the rude women themselves, perhaps there’s a frisson of self recognition: a thought that maybe TNC’s story is secretly about *them*—setting off a delicious occasion for some self-absorbed white guilt.

    Since so much of our cultural commentary originates on the UWS, its little ritual dramas get outsized attention in the country as a whole.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Things are getting bad when our own side no longer gets Steve's jokes.
    , @Anon
    Coates' escalator story doesn't reflect well on him. An escalator isn't playground equipment but a four-year-old won't know that. It's up to the adult to get a child off the escalator and out of the way of traffic so that no one following collides with him.

    That woman might have been trying to avoid a fall.
    , @Father O'Hara
    I thought it interesting that you see Elaine Benes as the one who pushed young Coates. I could see Elaine,rushing to buy her boss socks or something losing her cool and pushing the black child comically. (Like Jerry stealing the bread from the old lady.)
    But I think Genius encountered the wealthy entitled ladies that another poster referred to. These women make the Elaines of the world quite upset!
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  27. Lurker says:
    @Declane
    https://i.imgur.com/0RWhT0q.jpg

    "It's been wonderful watching her develop... into an accomplished actress!"
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    Body language? I see and raise:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/17/article-2561058-1B90877D00000578-167_634x479.jpg

    Oprah looks like an experienced madam gentling down a rookie who is being sized up by a customer with -- eccentric -- tastes.
    , @Laugh Track

    The body language is horrific.
     
    I now understand why Emma Watson went all SJW.
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    More Elf Help than White Knight.

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  29. Burke says:

    Mr. Weiner’s story is relatable to real life. The other day I was watching one of those murder docs on ID and there was a true story about an attractive woman being murdered in Manhattan by a Catholic construction worker.

    The woman walked in on the young man pilfering her apartment so he strangled her to death and fled with everything he could find in her purse.

    He was not from New Jersey but was a 19 year old illegal immigrant from Ecuador who was doing demo work on an apartment in her building. The victim was Adrienne Shelly who had just filmed her first movie as a director and writer.

    This is not the type of story Wiener wants to tell.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrienne_Shelly

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    When people talk about how we need more female movie directors, you can mention that we had one who was quite promising judging from her only movie "Waitress," Adrienne Shelly.

    But now we don't have her anymore.

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  30. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer
    In Weiner's novel, the construction worker is Bobby from New Jersey.

    Like Bobby Canavale:

    http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/5405121199544ac393c1223a8adff7ea/bobby-cannavale-directed-by-richard-linklater-b81pbc.jpg

    In Weiner’s novel, the construction worker is Bobby from New Jersey.

    I meant the one he claims to have seen.

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  31. @Burke
    Mr. Weiner's story is relatable to real life. The other day I was watching one of those murder docs on ID and there was a true story about an attractive woman being murdered in Manhattan by a Catholic construction worker.

    The woman walked in on the young man pilfering her apartment so he strangled her to death and fled with everything he could find in her purse.

    He was not from New Jersey but was a 19 year old illegal immigrant from Ecuador who was doing demo work on an apartment in her building. The victim was Adrienne Shelly who had just filmed her first movie as a director and writer.

    This is not the type of story Wiener wants to tell.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrienne_Shelly

    When people talk about how we need more female movie directors, you can mention that we had one who was quite promising judging from her only movie “Waitress,” Adrienne Shelly.

    But now we don’t have her anymore.

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    This is where I would press the 'SAVAGE' button.
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  32. @Declane
    https://i.imgur.com/0RWhT0q.jpg

    "It's been wonderful watching her develop... into an accomplished actress!"

    Who are those people?

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    Matthew Weiner and Kiernan Shipka, a teenage actress from his show Mad Men. He has always praised her highly, which she deserves, as she's a very good actress. With all the stories coming to light, one of course wonders if he saw "something else" in her as well.
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  33. ChrisZ says:
    @Steve Sailer
    What's so great about Teh-Genius Coates' Escalator Story? The reason I bring it up all the time is because it's so lame and yet it's one of the best anecdotes he has got.

    Steve, there are two types of people on the Upper West Side: rude pushy women, and people who have to deal with them. For the latter, they read TNC’s story and remember something similar in their own experience. Suddenly they have a new feeling of empathy with a famous black intellectual—and that’s a very affirming pat on the back for them.

    For the rude women themselves, perhaps there’s a frisson of self recognition: a thought that maybe TNC’s story is secretly about *them*—setting off a delicious occasion for some self-absorbed white guilt.

    Since so much of our cultural commentary originates on the UWS, its little ritual dramas get outsized attention in the country as a whole.

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    Holy smokes. That's precisely right.

    My wife's mother-in-law from her first marriage that widowed her has variously lived on the Upper East and Upper West Sides. I remember talking to her about why she preferred Citarella to Fairway back when she was on the UWS, and she said she couldn't stand "the old Jewish ladies" poking into her with their carts at Fairway.

    This is coming from a Wasp book editor who spends her whole life immersed in NYC Jewish culture and is a full-on Democratic Party stalwart.
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  34. Declane says:
    @ben tillman
    Who are those people?

    Matthew Weiner and Kiernan Shipka, a teenage actress from his show Mad Men. He has always praised her highly, which she deserves, as she’s a very good actress. With all the stories coming to light, one of course wonders if he saw “something else” in her as well.

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    Kiernan Shipka just turned 18 this month. Just sayin'..
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  35. Joe Sweet says:

    Mook is hands down my favorite bit of vocabulary that I picked up during my decade in New York. I’m still not really sure what it means but I know how to use it.

    Here’s the guy who first called me a mook. Hanging out after a couple of long nights making this (and another) video. As the kids say theses days…felt good, man.

    Downtown NY legend Jerry Agony. RIP

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    Someone once told me that it's derived from a Sicilian word which means "dumb", but in a good-natured, if not affectionate, sense and wasn't meant to be hostile. I have absolutely no authority on this, however.
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  36. Svigor says:

    Harvey’s Hitlist has dropped onto Drudge. One of the juiciest parts of the Weinstein Thing is how his own guilty conscience and paranoia are now forming much of the case against him; Sweinstein knew what he was doing was wrong, and went to extraordinary, probably criminal, lengths to hide his private life from the public.

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  37. slumber_j says:
    @ChrisZ
    Steve, there are two types of people on the Upper West Side: rude pushy women, and people who have to deal with them. For the latter, they read TNC’s story and remember something similar in their own experience. Suddenly they have a new feeling of empathy with a famous black intellectual—and that’s a very affirming pat on the back for them.

    For the rude women themselves, perhaps there’s a frisson of self recognition: a thought that maybe TNC’s story is secretly about *them*—setting off a delicious occasion for some self-absorbed white guilt.

    Since so much of our cultural commentary originates on the UWS, its little ritual dramas get outsized attention in the country as a whole.

    Holy smokes. That’s precisely right.

    My wife’s mother-in-law from her first marriage that widowed her has variously lived on the Upper East and Upper West Sides. I remember talking to her about why she preferred Citarella to Fairway back when she was on the UWS, and she said she couldn’t stand “the old Jewish ladies” poking into her with their carts at Fairway.

    This is coming from a Wasp book editor who spends her whole life immersed in NYC Jewish culture and is a full-on Democratic Party stalwart.

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  38. Hosswire says:

    These (((people))) can’t simply be a decent person like normal people. They have to:

    1) Trumpet it
    2) Point out the people who aren’t being as decent as them
    3) Turn their decency into a moral crusade.

    It is ridiculous. Especially when you find out that they aren’t even being decent to start with.

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  39. We live in extraordinary times.

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  40. Not Raul says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Is it that implausible that Weiner was checking out a pretty 15-year-old girl on the Upper East Side one when he noticed some New Jersey construction worker checking her out too, and that aroused primal emotions in him about how the mooks were coming to take our UES womenfolk?

    Similarly, TN Coates' famous story of some Elaine Benes-type on the Upper West Side getting exasperated by his toddler blocking the escalator sounds extremely plausible.

    the Elaine Benes menace

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    the Elaine Benes menace

     

    "Do I look Italian? Do I look Hungarian?"
    "You look Jewish."
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  41. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    It’s hard to keep up with these jewish perverts. There seems to be (((Weiners))) being put in prison or accused of bastardy every week, but still they ignore History.

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  42. @Steve Sailer
    Is it that implausible that Weiner was checking out a pretty 15-year-old girl on the Upper East Side one when he noticed some New Jersey construction worker checking her out too, and that aroused primal emotions in him about how the mooks were coming to take our UES womenfolk?

    Similarly, TN Coates' famous story of some Elaine Benes-type on the Upper West Side getting exasperated by his toddler blocking the escalator sounds extremely plausible.

    It’s not implausible. In fact, there is the precedent of his tribalistic sensibility enabling him to depict Scottish clannishness (mention of which promptly led commenters on another thread to tell funny anecdotes, like the Australian centenarian veteran greeting his fellow old soldier with “Campbell, eh?”)

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  43. Svigor says:

    You have to kinda admire Weinstein; any other man, somewhere in the process of creating a hit list with 91 names on it, would come to the realization that the problem is himself.

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  44. @Lurker
    The body language is horrific.

    https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-dWuhoHV0438%2FWd9P-PX61wI%2FAAAAAAAACBM%2FejXLsxD_nnEVCsPUcfF7GkXIbwW2NhNmQCLcBGAs%2Fs640%2FzzzWeinstein.PNG&key=Jbjpa3BytkQj88M65bgKYw

    Body language? I see and raise:

    Oprah looks like an experienced madam gentling down a rookie who is being sized up by a customer with — eccentric — tastes.

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    Oprah looks like an experienced madam gentling down a rookie who is being sized up by a customer with — eccentric — tastes.
     
    Exactly so.

    I eagerly await the goods being spilled about Oprah.
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  45. @Steve Sailer
    Is it that implausible that Weiner was checking out a pretty 15-year-old girl on the Upper East Side one when he noticed some New Jersey construction worker checking her out too, and that aroused primal emotions in him about how the mooks were coming to take our UES womenfolk?

    Similarly, TN Coates' famous story of some Elaine Benes-type on the Upper West Side getting exasperated by his toddler blocking the escalator sounds extremely plausible.

    I believe both stories because they are both pathetic, in a sense. As in, is that it? If Weiner said the construction worker said something rude, gestured, or grabbed at her, I wouldn’t believe it. If Coates’s child got called the n-word, I wouldn’t believe it.

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  46. Neoconned says:
    @dee nile

    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.
     
    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.

    Come to think of it, maybe there was no real construction worker around; Weiner just fantasized him.

    Steve this thread reminds me of your post from a few yrs back where you talked about why West Bay tech workers hate hiring white skilled labor.

    You posted a link to that song “Call Me Maybe” where the little white girl gets hot and bothered by a blue collar white dude taking his shirt off and mowing the lawn.

    They hired Mexicans you said to avoid having their wives or daughters hooking up with the blue collar bad boys.

    And they hate plumbers from the East Because they come talk about the Raiders while fixing your toilet.

    And there’s nothing more icky and creepy than a black hole Raiders fan.

    It triggers the tech nerds. It reminds them of high school where they were bullied by the Raiders kids who did shop class and dunked their heads in the toilets and stole their lunch money because they were AV Club dorks…..

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    There was a Frasier episode about this, when Frasier's plumber ends up being his or Niles' high school bully.
    , @dwb
    Where is the "West Bay?"
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  47. @Steve Sailer
    What's so great about Teh-Genius Coates' Escalator Story? The reason I bring it up all the time is because it's so lame and yet it's one of the best anecdotes he has got.

    Things are getting bad when our own side no longer gets Steve’s jokes.

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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    What's so great about Teh-Genius Coates' Escalator Story? The reason I bring it up all the time is because it's so lame and yet it's one of the best anecdotes he has got.

    Coates’ escalator story doesn’t reflect well on him. An escalator isn’t playground equipment but a four-year-old won’t know that. It’s up to the adult to get a child off the escalator and out of the way of traffic so that no one following collides with him.

    That woman might have been trying to avoid a fall.

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    I guess it's 'racist' to try to save a black body from harm around escalators.

    With Coates, it's more about black feelies than black bodies. His pride feelies were hurt.

    It's also 'intellectual'-ish. I mean anyone knows KKK burning a cross is obvious form of bigotry and intimidation.

    But it takes a keen 'intellect' to perceive a more insidious kind of 'racism' in seemingly mundane everyday incidents. Ahhh. What a genius.
    , @AnotherDad

    Coates’ escalator story doesn’t reflect well on him. An escalator isn’t playground equipment but a four-year-old won’t know that. It’s up to the adult to get a child off the escalator and out of the way of traffic so that no one following collides with him.
     
    My thought too.

    Another Mom and I have three kids. We didn't hide them, we took them out into the public and out travelling. I'm kid sympathetic--the overall culture should be "kid accommodating" in order for it to reproduce and survive.

    But I always considered it my personal duty that my kids were not inconveniencing *other* people. That other people were not bearing a specific inconvenience or cost because we had chosen to have kids and bring them out in public.

    In short, if you're letting your kid goof off on the escalator in a way that inconveniences someone else just going about their business ... you're a crappy parent/crappy citizen.
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  49. CK says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Did Law & Order ever do an episode based on Adrienne Shelly's murder, changing the culprit from an illegal immigrant construction worker from Ecuador to a white one from New Jersey?
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    Amazing.
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  50. @Anon
    No, this isn't projection but protection.

    Some have charged Weiner of having a naughty side, but look at him.
    He looks like James Coco. He's below even nerds. He's a nerdling.

    So, when a mook appears, he feels very small. It's not so much that the construction worker posed a threat to the girl. Rather, he posed a threat to Weiner's mickey-mouse manhood.

    He's done this with other groups as well. Obviously, MAD MEN is populated with tall good-looking guys who have much better chance at getting girls than Weiner ever would.
    Oooooh, he resented those guys.
    In a way, he admires their style and allure. Also, because they reside in a world of form and manners, there are some restraints in place on their behavior, and that made them less threatening.
    It's like Woody Allen's characters can deal with snobby Wasps. The real trouble is with uncouth boors like the ones who steal his parking space in ANYTHING ELSE. Wasps live by some code and must maintain (the facade of) respectability, and so, they can be 'played'.
    But 'construction worker' blue collar guys have no use for rules. It's like the goomba in BLUE JASMINE. Or Kowalski. STELLA!!
    It's like Morrie in GOODFELLAS. He likes to talk big and act pushy. But he realizes Jimmy Conway is not someone you mess with. They don't play golf. They just crack your skull with a baseball bat.

    Of course, Weiner's final call on all these gentile guys, top to bottom, is pretty negative. So, MAD MEN admits that these Wasp guys have style, looks, allure, and etc.
    BUT, they are no good and unworthy to have the good things in life cuz they are 'racist', 'antisemitic', and 'misogynous'.

    As for 'construction worker' types, their manhood lacks style or polish. It's about brute strength, masculinity, and boorish manspreading. And they won't be shamed and cowered since they are not into respectability. They have little to lose even with loss of 'reputation'. Also, they are not averse to fighting back dirty. They are like the goombas who yelled into Shia's art project.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LorCy02uK8I

    Just like The Hissy Coates takes out all his frustrations on educated whites(because they will listen to him and let him put his head on their shoulders), it could be Jews got esp harsh on Wasps cuz Wasps were the ONLY people who showed any decency toward Jews. Blacks robbed and beat up Jews. White ethnic attitude toward Jews was like that of Nick Santoro in CASINO.

    Worse, because of the necessary alliance of Democratic ethnics and blacks with Jews against the ruling Wasp elites, Jews had to mask their anger about mooks and 'sp**ks'.

    So, who was left to hear Jewish complaints? Wasps whose culture of respectability made them more civil and responsive to contrary voices and complaints.

    Maybe Weiner feels some boing for 15 yr girls but he also feels as Holden Caulfied trying to protecting them from brutes. He may feel that his appreciation for their beauty and charm is REAL whereas mooks and goombas see just meat.

    It's like LOLITA. Humbert is a perv but he tries to protect Lolita from others because he considers his love to be special and poetic. And of course, he's also trying to protect his own sense of worth.

    Good points.

    On the east coast, lots of the working-class Italian/Irish ethnics are into a culture of brutish masculinity. So I’d imagine that Weiner feels physically threatened by meathead goombahs who look and talk like Rocky Balboa and Tony Manero.

    Watch an Italian talk.

    Perhaps he also feels sexually threatened too, as Italians are good looking people. Lots of NY/NJ Jewish girls actually do go for Italian guys, but mostly just for flings. They usually don’t marry them though, as Italians tend to come across as dim and prole. For marriage, lots of Jewish go into gold digger mode and target guys like Weiner. Maybe that’s why he’s so angry. Perhaps, on some level, he resents that Jewish princesses (at least when they’re younger) are so much more sexually easygoing with guidos than their own men.

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    Couldn't help thinking of that old joke:

    Q: "Wanna know how to stop a Jewish girl from f--king?"

    A: "Marry her!"
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  51. Mike M says:

    This coming from a guy who belongs to the group that perfected leering and teeth sucking. And a whole lot more.

    Precious.

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  52. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    As a former investigator here’s what I think happened.

    Weiner notices the girl and then is sly about checking her out. And as an UES sophisticate Weiner is immune to accusations of leering at underage girls. If other UES residents see him checking out this underage girl, well, they will know his intentions are higher minded and he’s probably using it for social commentary material. But then Weiner meets the quick-witted and boisterous Bobby, who’s wearing a Trump sticker on his hard hat. Bobby didn’t go to elite schools in the Northeast so he see things as they are. Bobby catches Weiner checking out the girl and jokingly and loudly teases Weiner, “Hey pal, fifteen will get you twenty.” Weiner, being educated at elite Northeast schools and not at construction sites, is not sure what comment meant but he suspects he was exposed by this social inferior. He later researches the origin of the phrase “fifteen will get you twenty” and starts to obsess about the whole thing and feel rage toward this mook who so easily exposed him…

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  53. Sean says:

    The worker was Catholic but not Italiano I’ll wager

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrienne_Shelly

    Press reported on November 6, 2006, the arrest of a construction worker Diego Pillco, a 19-year-old Ecuadorian illegal immigrant who according to police had confessed on tape to attacking Shelly, and then staging the fake suicide by hanging her.[18][19][20][21] [...] ] The medical examiner determined that Shelly was still alive when hanged.[23] [...[ Andy Ostroy said of Pillco "...you are nothing more than a coldblooded killer" and that he hoped he would "rot in jail".[25]

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/24/opinion/my-wifes-killer-was-not-an-illegal-immigrant.html

    Attributing his heinous act to his immigration status dilutes the more relevant truth that he lacked the ability to know right from wrong and had zero respect for human life.

    Oh, so he was an illegal immigrant.

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  54. As an actual outer-boro NYC construction worker named Bobby, I approve of this message.

    There’s not much real construction going on in that neighborhood IIRC. So the guy was actually probably a Mexican doing sheetrock in someone’s apartment.

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  55. @Lurker
    The body language is horrific.

    https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-dWuhoHV0438%2FWd9P-PX61wI%2FAAAAAAAACBM%2FejXLsxD_nnEVCsPUcfF7GkXIbwW2NhNmQCLcBGAs%2Fs640%2FzzzWeinstein.PNG&key=Jbjpa3BytkQj88M65bgKYw

    The body language is horrific.

    I now understand why Emma Watson went all SJW.

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  56. @SteveRogers42
    Body language? I see and raise:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/17/article-2561058-1B90877D00000578-167_634x479.jpg

    Oprah looks like an experienced madam gentling down a rookie who is being sized up by a customer with -- eccentric -- tastes.

    Oprah looks like an experienced madam gentling down a rookie who is being sized up by a customer with — eccentric — tastes.

    Exactly so.

    I eagerly await the goods being spilled about Oprah.

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  57. @Steve Sailer
    What's so great about Teh-Genius Coates' Escalator Story? The reason I bring it up all the time is because it's so lame and yet it's one of the best anecdotes he has got.

    I thought it interesting that you see Elaine Benes as the one who pushed young Coates. I could see Elaine,rushing to buy her boss socks or something losing her cool and pushing the black child comically. (Like Jerry stealing the bread from the old lady.)
    But I think Genius encountered the wealthy entitled ladies that another poster referred to. These women make the Elaines of the world quite upset!

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    People generally are don't touch strangers' kids. I doubt a woman pushed Coates's kid. Maybe he was running the wrong way toward her and she put her hands out to stop him from colliding with her, or she accidentally walked into him for the same reason. Either is more plausible.
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  58. Jack D says:
    @Whiskey
    Matthew Weiner did not make a very good bet did he? Marti Noxon of all people* is making a stand against him. Figuring she not him will be making all those cool, hip shows no one watches but gets tons of awards like Transparent or Mad Men.

    And the general purge, even or *ESPECIALLY* of Jewish White males so that ambitious women like Marti Noxon and non White men like Ewok N Yank-ya (never trust an Ewok, didn't anyone see Return of the Jedi?) can take their place.

    Weiner's falure was that of elementary arithmetic. A failure to count.

    There is an unlimited supply of ambitious but talentless White women like Noxon and various aggrieved non-Whites like the Woke Professor Yanking-Ya. There is a limited supply of jobs they consider appropriate. THEY are not going to be asking if you want a double latte or want fries with that! And all the conservative White men have been purged years ago. Thus women like Noxon and whatevers like DeRay McKesson have ambitions, dang it! And Weiner is out as anyone who could count could predict.

    This is about POWER pure and simple. Non Whites and Nice White Ladies like Noxon want it, Weiner has it, and the only way for the former to be happy is to get rid of Weiner. Pun intended.

    *Noxon is famous for as Show-runner on Buffy projecting her "bad boyfriend rape experiencnes" onto the show, because every tween girl aspires to have her vampire boyfriend rape her and it all be her fault. Because her boyfriend was bad, but oh so ohhhhhhh! .... SEXY! [Because he was bad.] Noxon's prior writing experience before being plucked out of obscurity by Whedon (I am POSITIVE!!11Eleventy!!!! nothing was going on there folks) was some experimental play about a girl whose bad boyfriend raped her and then attempted suicide beautifully or something.

    It is not as if Nice White ladies are anything but a pile of incompetence upon neuroses. Even a hack like Whedon can be half-way competent when called upon and motivated. That's beyond Noxon and her ilk. Exhibit A: Shonda Rhimes.

    Future America as Zimbabwe except that white women and black men and Latinxes are supposed to share the “farms” formerly owned by white (often Jewish) men. Somehow this does not strike me as a stable long term arrangement but rather just a prelude to further purges (just as, once Mugabe got done with the whites he went after his “fellow” black Ndebele revolutionaries).

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  59. @Declane
    https://i.imgur.com/0RWhT0q.jpg

    "It's been wonderful watching her develop... into an accomplished actress!"

    Shiksa bait!

    Now that is creepy. Maybe Weiner just permanently looks creepy all the time, otherwise Weiner really needs to reign it in. Let the shiksas actually grow up before he tries his “you owe me line”.

    ~~

    BTW, this girl was well cast and did a good job. She’s got the whole all-American girl next door thing going on and combined it with a petulant, willful unhappiness with her lot as divorced kid, while projecting a wounded vulnerability and desire just to have daddy home.

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  60. Your take on Jewish girls is right on. They’re happy they didn’t marry italian blue collar guys for sure. A Jew lawyer beats a goyim HVAC tech. Some of the more wild Jewish girls do marry Italians tho. The marriages can be rough. Cheating,beating and eating. One divorced couple has three daughters. They’re so fat. I mean fat. Fat in places it shouldnt be. Sad.

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    I know a Jewish guy who married an Italian girl. Does this mean pigs are going to start flying?
    , @Anon
    Some of the more wild Jewish girls do marry Italians tho. The marriages can be rough. Cheating,beating and eating.

    I think Jake Lamotta's first wife was Jewish.

    And in GOODFELLAS Henry has a Jewish wife.
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  61. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Is it that implausible that Weiner was checking out a pretty 15-year-old girl on the Upper East Side one when he noticed some New Jersey construction worker checking her out too, and that aroused primal emotions in him about how the mooks were coming to take our UES womenfolk?

    Similarly, TN Coates' famous story of some Elaine Benes-type on the Upper West Side getting exasperated by his toddler blocking the escalator sounds extremely plausible.

    I agree. These do not smell like the usual hate hoaxes. The marker of a hate hoax is that is it so perfect. The cracker woman doesn’t say, “Could you please stop blocking the escalator.” [Is that a metaphor, BTW?] She say, “Out of my way, N-word. You should have stayed on the cotton plantation!” The construction worker doesn’t just look at the 15 year old girl lustily, he shouts obscene suggestions at her and maybe even grabs her.

    But since real world Grand Kleaglesses and girl grabbers are in short supply on the UWS, this is the best that they can (truthfully) come up with and the phoniness comes not from outright falsity but from the attempt to spin true but fundamentally harmless encounters into racist/sexist outrages. I don’t know which is worse. In the case of the hate hoaxes, you can at least admit that IF these things actually happened they would be bad, but in the case of the Great Escalator Massacre, even assuming they are telling the truth, so what?

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  62. @dee nile

    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.
     
    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.

    Come to think of it, maybe there was no real construction worker around; Weiner just fantasized him.

    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.

    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.

    There is definitely something off here, if this is supposed to be white construction worker. No doubt Weiner could have see a white guy staring at the girl, but his look would be licking-his-lips type lust–what he’d like to do with her all night long. There wouldn’t be anything “homicidal” in there. (Heck you’d want her for the next day and the day after and the day after that.) But if it was a black guy? To get “homicidal” worked in with the lust, there really has to be some sort of deep hatred–among strangers that means ethnic resentment/hatred.

    For the white guy it’s going to be all about enjoy, not destroy.

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    A fair point.

    At the same time, how likely is it that Wiener (or anybody) would have, at a glance, accurately perceived homicidal intent in the visage of a complete stranger who was going about his business under casual midday circumstances? Kind of absurd. I do believe there is some projection going on here.
    , @Forbes

    something between sexual and homicidal at the same time
     
    What does that mean? For whom does that "look" register as an impression? Who imagines such a combination?

    A failing grade for Creative Writing 101.
    , @Stan Adams
    Have you studied serial and/or spree killers? I have.

    Both of the Columbine killers kept journals. There is an entry in Eric Harris' journal in which he lusts after a girl he likes, then starts fantasizing about grabbing "a little freshman" and dismembering her with his bare hands. He gets off on the thought of her flesh ripping and her bones snapping. (Keep in mind that he was a skinny 5'8" kid who couldn't get a prom date.)

    Dylan Klebold, Harris' (((*partner, drew cute little hearts and wrote mamby-pamby love notes to girls he liked. (He never sent any of the letters - he was far too shy. He did have a platonic girlfriend who bought one of the guns that was used for the massacre.) Many of his journal entries are incoherent, almost schizophrenic. (He was something of an alcoholic.) For creative-writing class, he did write a nice little story in which a trenchcoat-clad guy takes out out a gang of jocks**.

    George Sodini, a .NET programmer who shot up a ladies' gym in Pittsburgh, wrote in his diary: "[T]he young girls here look so beautiful as to not be human, very edible." (Emphasis mine.)

    Now, I'm sure that Matthew Weiner is full of it, but even white guys can have twisted fantasies.

    *He was a mischling, so he only gets one set of triple parentheses.

    **Almost all of the kids at that school (in suburban Denver), including the football players, were white, by the way. A solid majority of the student body was evangelical.

    (At multiracial schools, the kids segregate by race, but a nearly-all-white school in the Rocky Mountain West in the late '90s, the traditional categories of geek, stoner, jock, prep, and so on still prevailed.)

    The national media went to some lengths to depict the local Christians as bigoted, intolerant, and reactionary. An evangelical preacher was accused of turning a multi-denominational memorial service into a come-to-Jesus rally, despite the presence of a rabbi, a Catholic priest, and a liberal Protestant on the podium. Much butthurt ensued.

    The Washington Post ran a front-page story about one meathead jock - a wrestler and football player - who (allegedly) liked to taunt a skinny Jewish kid by chanting "Another Jew in the oven!" every time he dunked the basketball. This jock - a living, breathing Biff Tannen - was widely reviled, but was "popular" (meaning high-status) owing to his father's wealth and his athletic ability.

    My own public high school, on the other side of the country, was heavily Jewish. If there were any evangelicals around, they were well-hidden.
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  63. Pericles says:
    @Not Raul
    the Elaine Benes menace

    the Elaine Benes menace

    “Do I look Italian? Do I look Hungarian?”
    “You look Jewish.”

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  64. BenKenobi says:
    @Steve Sailer
    When people talk about how we need more female movie directors, you can mention that we had one who was quite promising judging from her only movie "Waitress," Adrienne Shelly.

    But now we don't have her anymore.

    This is where I would press the ‘SAVAGE’ button.

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  65. @Declane
    https://i.imgur.com/0RWhT0q.jpg

    "It's been wonderful watching her develop... into an accomplished actress!"

    Notice the horns on his head.

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    Very observant—and hilarious! I enjoy your limericks too, Des.
    , @BB753
    Very creepy.
    , @Anon
    "Notice the horns on his head"



    Amazing, it looks like she has a halo over her head.
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  66. Mike M says:

    Ethnic Tongue Twister

    See if you can say the below fast five times:

    Mick
    Mook
    Spic
    Spook

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  67. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Oh, he just adored and appreciated her beauty… but OTHER men, these lowlife nabobs, just lusted after her.

    A more vulgar expression of Lauraean hopes and dreams.

    Still, good thing the ruffian that caught Weiner’s eye was a mook than a sp**k.

    He could have ended up like Sterling.

    http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/26/donald-sterling-clippers-owner-black-people-racist-audio-magic-johnson/

    It is one of Woody Allens’ big theme. He loses the girl to a Mook in BROADWAY DANNY ROSE even after he did the guy so much favors.
    And Allen even loses a girl to a taller manlier Jew in CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

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  68. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Well, let’s face it, construction workers are not Matthew’s kind of people. They’re “deplorables.”

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  69. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Good points.

    On the east coast, lots of the working-class Italian/Irish ethnics are into a culture of brutish masculinity. So I'd imagine that Weiner feels physically threatened by meathead goombahs who look and talk like Rocky Balboa and Tony Manero.

    Watch an Italian talk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu5oUslEvPY

    Perhaps he also feels sexually threatened too, as Italians are good looking people. Lots of NY/NJ Jewish girls actually do go for Italian guys, but mostly just for flings. They usually don't marry them though, as Italians tend to come across as dim and prole. For marriage, lots of Jewish go into gold digger mode and target guys like Weiner. Maybe that's why he's so angry. Perhaps, on some level, he resents that Jewish princesses (at least when they're younger) are so much more sexually easygoing with guidos than their own men.

    Couldn’t help thinking of that old joke:

    Q: “Wanna know how to stop a Jewish girl from f–king?”

    A: “Marry her!”

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    Why does a Jewish girl smile at her wedding? She knows she never has to give another BJ.
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  71. @AnotherDad



    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.
     
    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.
     
    There is definitely something off here, if this is supposed to be white construction worker. No doubt Weiner could have see a white guy staring at the girl, but his look would be licking-his-lips type lust--what he'd like to do with her all night long. There wouldn't be anything "homicidal" in there. (Heck you'd want her for the next day and the day after and the day after that.) But if it was a black guy? To get "homicidal" worked in with the lust, there really has to be some sort of deep hatred--among strangers that means ethnic resentment/hatred.

    For the white guy it's going to be all about enjoy, not destroy.

    A fair point.

    At the same time, how likely is it that Wiener (or anybody) would have, at a glance, accurately perceived homicidal intent in the visage of a complete stranger who was going about his business under casual midday circumstances? Kind of absurd. I do believe there is some projection going on here.

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  72. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Joe Sweet
    Mook is hands down my favorite bit of vocabulary that I picked up during my decade in New York. I'm still not really sure what it means but I know how to use it.

    https://youtu.be/CtAl0bXSmzI


    Here's the guy who first called me a mook. Hanging out after a couple of long nights making this (and another) video. As the kids say theses days...felt good, man.

    Downtown NY legend Jerry Agony. RIP

    https://youtu.be/IyxXzGCw7I0

    Someone once told me that it’s derived from a Sicilian word which means “dumb”, but in a good-natured, if not affectionate, sense and wasn’t meant to be hostile. I have absolutely no authority on this, however.

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    Exactly. Like calling your buddy a goofball when the situation warrants.
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  73. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Neoconned
    Steve this thread reminds me of your post from a few yrs back where you talked about why West Bay tech workers hate hiring white skilled labor.

    You posted a link to that song "Call Me Maybe" where the little white girl gets hot and bothered by a blue collar white dude taking his shirt off and mowing the lawn.

    They hired Mexicans you said to avoid having their wives or daughters hooking up with the blue collar bad boys.

    And they hate plumbers from the East Because they come talk about the Raiders while fixing your toilet.

    And there's nothing more icky and creepy than a black hole Raiders fan.

    It triggers the tech nerds. It reminds them of high school where they were bullied by the Raiders kids who did shop class and dunked their heads in the toilets and stole their lunch money because they were AV Club dorks.....

    There was a Frasier episode about this, when Frasier’s plumber ends up being his or Niles’ high school bully.

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  74. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @CK
    Yes.
    She had been a guest star previous to her murder.

    https://www.moviefone.com/2007/02/16/tonights-law-and-order-does-adrienne-shelly-murder-for-sweeps/

    Amazing.

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  75. Beene says:

    BTW, Steve, I’m a little confused why you criticized Matthew Weiner for separating Jews from other whites when you, yourself, spend much of your time expressing your confusion as to why Jews aren’t separated from other white people in media coverage (well, not when they win Nobel Prizes).

    And, while you often attribute “negative characteristic X” or “Y” to Jews specifically ”because” of their Jewish ethnic background, I don’t think I’ve once seen you attribute “negative characteristic X” or “Y” to other white ethnic groups specifically ”because” they are of that ethnic group. I guess that means those other white ethnicities are pretty perfect. It would explain why they were living so harmoniously with each other for hundreds or thousands of years before all these Jewish and non-white groups showed up.

    You also seem somewhat anti-Gentilic yourself, since you frequently criticize billions of the world’s seven billion plus gentiles (Blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.).

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    And, while you often attribute “negative characteristic X” or “Y” to Jews specifically ”because” of their Jewish ethnic background . . . .
     
    Example? I can't think of one.
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  76. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Father O'Hara
    Your take on Jewish girls is right on. They're happy they didn't marry italian blue collar guys for sure. A Jew lawyer beats a goyim HVAC tech. Some of the more wild Jewish girls do marry Italians tho. The marriages can be rough. Cheating,beating and eating. One divorced couple has three daughters. They're so fat. I mean fat. Fat in places it shouldnt be. Sad.

    I know a Jewish guy who married an Italian girl. Does this mean pigs are going to start flying?

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  77. Forbes says:
    @AnotherDad



    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.
     
    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.
     
    There is definitely something off here, if this is supposed to be white construction worker. No doubt Weiner could have see a white guy staring at the girl, but his look would be licking-his-lips type lust--what he'd like to do with her all night long. There wouldn't be anything "homicidal" in there. (Heck you'd want her for the next day and the day after and the day after that.) But if it was a black guy? To get "homicidal" worked in with the lust, there really has to be some sort of deep hatred--among strangers that means ethnic resentment/hatred.

    For the white guy it's going to be all about enjoy, not destroy.

    something between sexual and homicidal at the same time

    What does that mean? For whom does that “look” register as an impression? Who imagines such a combination?

    A failing grade for Creative Writing 101.

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  78. ChrisZ says:
    @the one they call Desanex
    Notice the horns on his head.

    Very observant—and hilarious! I enjoy your limericks too, Des.

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    Thanks for the compliment, pal. It’s hard to know if one is appreciated on unz—no upvotes. Upvotes are applause for us creative types.
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  79. @AnotherDad



    this guy looked at her, and it really turned my stomach. It made me scared.” Weiner describes the look as “something between sexual and homicidal at the same time.
     
    Classic projection. Matthew knows only what was in his own mind when he saw the girl.
     
    There is definitely something off here, if this is supposed to be white construction worker. No doubt Weiner could have see a white guy staring at the girl, but his look would be licking-his-lips type lust--what he'd like to do with her all night long. There wouldn't be anything "homicidal" in there. (Heck you'd want her for the next day and the day after and the day after that.) But if it was a black guy? To get "homicidal" worked in with the lust, there really has to be some sort of deep hatred--among strangers that means ethnic resentment/hatred.

    For the white guy it's going to be all about enjoy, not destroy.

    Have you studied serial and/or spree killers? I have.

    Both of the Columbine killers kept journals. There is an entry in Eric Harris’ journal in which he lusts after a girl he likes, then starts fantasizing about grabbing “a little freshman” and dismembering her with his bare hands. He gets off on the thought of her flesh ripping and her bones snapping. (Keep in mind that he was a skinny 5’8″ kid who couldn’t get a prom date.)

    Dylan Klebold, Harris’ (((*partner, drew cute little hearts and wrote mamby-pamby love notes to girls he liked. (He never sent any of the letters – he was far too shy. He did have a platonic girlfriend who bought one of the guns that was used for the massacre.) Many of his journal entries are incoherent, almost schizophrenic. (He was something of an alcoholic.) For creative-writing class, he did write a nice little story in which a trenchcoat-clad guy takes out out a gang of jocks**.

    George Sodini, a .NET programmer who shot up a ladies’ gym in Pittsburgh, wrote in his diary: “[T]he young girls here look so beautiful as to not be human, very edible.” (Emphasis mine.)

    Now, I’m sure that Matthew Weiner is full of it, but even white guys can have twisted fantasies.

    *He was a mischling, so he only gets one set of triple parentheses.

    **Almost all of the kids at that school (in suburban Denver), including the football players, were white, by the way. A solid majority of the student body was evangelical.

    (At multiracial schools, the kids segregate by race, but a nearly-all-white school in the Rocky Mountain West in the late ’90s, the traditional categories of geek, stoner, jock, prep, and so on still prevailed.)

    The national media went to some lengths to depict the local Christians as bigoted, intolerant, and reactionary. An evangelical preacher was accused of turning a multi-denominational memorial service into a come-to-Jesus rally, despite the presence of a rabbi, a Catholic priest, and a liberal Protestant on the podium. Much butthurt ensued.

    The Washington Post ran a front-page story about one meathead jock – a wrestler and football player – who (allegedly) liked to taunt a skinny Jewish kid by chanting “Another Jew in the oven!” every time he dunked the basketball. This jock – a living, breathing Biff Tannen – was widely reviled, but was “popular” (meaning high-status) owing to his father’s wealth and his athletic ability.

    My own public high school, on the other side of the country, was heavily Jewish. If there were any evangelicals around, they were well-hidden.

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  80. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Coates' escalator story doesn't reflect well on him. An escalator isn't playground equipment but a four-year-old won't know that. It's up to the adult to get a child off the escalator and out of the way of traffic so that no one following collides with him.

    That woman might have been trying to avoid a fall.

    I guess it’s ‘racist’ to try to save a black body from harm around escalators.

    With Coates, it’s more about black feelies than black bodies. His pride feelies were hurt.

    It’s also ‘intellectual’-ish. I mean anyone knows KKK burning a cross is obvious form of bigotry and intimidation.

    But it takes a keen ‘intellect’ to perceive a more insidious kind of ‘racism’ in seemingly mundane everyday incidents. Ahhh. What a genius.

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  81. BB753 says:
    @the one they call Desanex
    Notice the horns on his head.

    Very creepy.

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  82. @Anon
    Coates' escalator story doesn't reflect well on him. An escalator isn't playground equipment but a four-year-old won't know that. It's up to the adult to get a child off the escalator and out of the way of traffic so that no one following collides with him.

    That woman might have been trying to avoid a fall.

    Coates’ escalator story doesn’t reflect well on him. An escalator isn’t playground equipment but a four-year-old won’t know that. It’s up to the adult to get a child off the escalator and out of the way of traffic so that no one following collides with him.

    My thought too.

    Another Mom and I have three kids. We didn’t hide them, we took them out into the public and out travelling. I’m kid sympathetic–the overall culture should be “kid accommodating” in order for it to reproduce and survive.

    But I always considered it my personal duty that my kids were not inconveniencing *other* people. That other people were not bearing a specific inconvenience or cost because we had chosen to have kids and bring them out in public.

    In short, if you’re letting your kid goof off on the escalator in a way that inconveniences someone else just going about their business … you’re a crappy parent/crappy citizen.

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    Is "Another Mom" your wife?
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  83. @Beene
    BTW, Steve, I'm a little confused why you criticized Matthew Weiner for separating Jews from other whites when you, yourself, spend much of your time expressing your confusion as to why Jews aren't separated from other white people in media coverage (well, not when they win Nobel Prizes).

    And, while you often attribute "negative characteristic X" or "Y" to Jews specifically ''because'' of their Jewish ethnic background, I don't think I've once seen you attribute "negative characteristic X" or "Y" to other white ethnic groups specifically ''because'' they are of that ethnic group. I guess that means those other white ethnicities are pretty perfect. It would explain why they were living so harmoniously with each other for hundreds or thousands of years before all these Jewish and non-white groups showed up.

    You also seem somewhat anti-Gentilic yourself, since you frequently criticize billions of the world's seven billion plus gentiles (Blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.).

    And, while you often attribute “negative characteristic X” or “Y” to Jews specifically ”because” of their Jewish ethnic background . . . .

    Example? I can’t think of one.

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  84. Rifleman says:
    @Richard of Melbourne
    It's called "projection", Mark.

    More fuel for the analysis of Jewish ethnic paranoia:

    Laurence Tribe calls Trump’s misspelling of “Frankenstein” “at least subconsciously antisemitic.”
    Trump tweeted:

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/11/laurence-tribe-calls-trumps-misspelling.html

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  85. @AnotherDad

    Coates’ escalator story doesn’t reflect well on him. An escalator isn’t playground equipment but a four-year-old won’t know that. It’s up to the adult to get a child off the escalator and out of the way of traffic so that no one following collides with him.
     
    My thought too.

    Another Mom and I have three kids. We didn't hide them, we took them out into the public and out travelling. I'm kid sympathetic--the overall culture should be "kid accommodating" in order for it to reproduce and survive.

    But I always considered it my personal duty that my kids were not inconveniencing *other* people. That other people were not bearing a specific inconvenience or cost because we had chosen to have kids and bring them out in public.

    In short, if you're letting your kid goof off on the escalator in a way that inconveniences someone else just going about their business ... you're a crappy parent/crappy citizen.

    Is “Another Mom” your wife?

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  86. @anonymous
    Couldn't help thinking of that old joke:

    Q: "Wanna know how to stop a Jewish girl from f--king?"

    A: "Marry her!"

    Why does a Jewish girl smile at her wedding? She knows she never has to give another BJ.

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    Marilyn Monroe is said to have proudly announced when she got her film contract , "It means I won't have to suck any more Jewish cocks".
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  87. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @the one they call Desanex
    Notice the horns on his head.

    “Notice the horns on his head”

    Amazing, it looks like she has a halo over her head.

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  88. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Father O'Hara
    I thought it interesting that you see Elaine Benes as the one who pushed young Coates. I could see Elaine,rushing to buy her boss socks or something losing her cool and pushing the black child comically. (Like Jerry stealing the bread from the old lady.)
    But I think Genius encountered the wealthy entitled ladies that another poster referred to. These women make the Elaines of the world quite upset!

    People generally are don’t touch strangers’ kids. I doubt a woman pushed Coates’s kid. Maybe he was running the wrong way toward her and she put her hands out to stop him from colliding with her, or she accidentally walked into him for the same reason. Either is more plausible.

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    Because TNC's kid didn't clear out of the exit from the escalator, everybody behind him was going to automatically run into him. The Elaine Benes-lady was being carried into the dawdling child by the escalator machinery. So she did what she had to get the kid out of the way.
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  89. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Father O'Hara
    Your take on Jewish girls is right on. They're happy they didn't marry italian blue collar guys for sure. A Jew lawyer beats a goyim HVAC tech. Some of the more wild Jewish girls do marry Italians tho. The marriages can be rough. Cheating,beating and eating. One divorced couple has three daughters. They're so fat. I mean fat. Fat in places it shouldnt be. Sad.

    Some of the more wild Jewish girls do marry Italians tho. The marriages can be rough. Cheating,beating and eating.

    I think Jake Lamotta’s first wife was Jewish.

    And in GOODFELLAS Henry has a Jewish wife.

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  90. @Dave Pinsen
    People generally are don't touch strangers' kids. I doubt a woman pushed Coates's kid. Maybe he was running the wrong way toward her and she put her hands out to stop him from colliding with her, or she accidentally walked into him for the same reason. Either is more plausible.

    Because TNC’s kid didn’t clear out of the exit from the escalator, everybody behind him was going to automatically run into him. The Elaine Benes-lady was being carried into the dawdling child by the escalator machinery. So she did what she had to get the kid out of the way.

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  91. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @ScarletNumber
    Why does a Jewish girl smile at her wedding? She knows she never has to give another BJ.

    Marilyn Monroe is said to have proudly announced when she got her film contract , “It means I won’t have to suck any more Jewish cocks”.

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    Citation?
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  92. @Anonymous
    Marilyn Monroe is said to have proudly announced when she got her film contract , "It means I won't have to suck any more Jewish cocks".

    Citation?

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    Citation?
     
    McDougal, Dennis. The Last Mogul: Lew Wasserman, MCA, and the Hidden History of Hollywood. Crown Publishers, New York, 1998. Page 217.
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  93. @ChrisZ
    Very observant—and hilarious! I enjoy your limericks too, Des.

    Thanks for the compliment, pal. It’s hard to know if one is appreciated on unz—no upvotes. Upvotes are applause for us creative types.

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  94. dwb says:
    @Neoconned
    Steve this thread reminds me of your post from a few yrs back where you talked about why West Bay tech workers hate hiring white skilled labor.

    You posted a link to that song "Call Me Maybe" where the little white girl gets hot and bothered by a blue collar white dude taking his shirt off and mowing the lawn.

    They hired Mexicans you said to avoid having their wives or daughters hooking up with the blue collar bad boys.

    And they hate plumbers from the East Because they come talk about the Raiders while fixing your toilet.

    And there's nothing more icky and creepy than a black hole Raiders fan.

    It triggers the tech nerds. It reminds them of high school where they were bullied by the Raiders kids who did shop class and dunked their heads in the toilets and stole their lunch money because they were AV Club dorks.....

    Where is the “West Bay?”

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    Not sure if serious, but in this context West Bay refers to San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties, as opposed to the East Bay counties of Alameda, Contra Costa, etc.
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  95. Joe Sweet says:
    @anonymous
    Someone once told me that it's derived from a Sicilian word which means "dumb", but in a good-natured, if not affectionate, sense and wasn't meant to be hostile. I have absolutely no authority on this, however.

    Exactly. Like calling your buddy a goofball when the situation warrants.

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  96. Whoever says: • Website
    @Opinionator
    Citation?

    Citation?

    McDougal, Dennis. The Last Mogul: Lew Wasserman, MCA, and the Hidden History of Hollywood. Crown Publishers, New York, 1998. Page 217.

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    Thank you
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  97. BB753 says:
    @Declane
    Matthew Weiner and Kiernan Shipka, a teenage actress from his show Mad Men. He has always praised her highly, which she deserves, as she's a very good actress. With all the stories coming to light, one of course wonders if he saw "something else" in her as well.

    Kiernan Shipka just turned 18 this month. Just sayin’..

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  98. @dwb
    Where is the "West Bay?"

    Not sure if serious, but in this context West Bay refers to San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties, as opposed to the East Bay counties of Alameda, Contra Costa, etc.

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  99. @Whoever

    Citation?
     
    McDougal, Dennis. The Last Mogul: Lew Wasserman, MCA, and the Hidden History of Hollywood. Crown Publishers, New York, 1998. Page 217.

    Thank you

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