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Matthew Weiner really, truly, deeply wants you to know that his cable show Mad Men was motivated by all the anti-Semitism he endured in Los Angeles in the 1970s and 1980s. From the Washington Post:

Q&A: ‘Mad Men’ creator Matthew Weiner talks ‘other-ness’ and Jewish identity on eve of finale

By Lisa Lednicer May 14

This weekend, America will say goodbye to the cultural phenomenon that is “Mad Men.” Over seven seasons, the series — which airs its last episode Sunday on AMC — traces the United States’ transition from the staid, tradition-bound Eisenhower years to the freewheeling exuberance and social upheaval of the 1960s. It’s about the rise of meritocracy in the workplace and the decline of the WASP establishment. It’s about outsiders seeking a way in, grasping for a gauzy version of the American Dream while blotting out their grimy pasts.

In other words, it’s a story about the Jewish American experience, even though creator Matthew Weiner insists that it has never been a Jewish show.

That may be true, but there are too many writerly winks and nudges, too many frissons of recognition, for the inclusion of Jews to be an afterthought. …

For Jewish Americans who struggle with their identity — the viewers whose grandparents spoke Yiddish, whose parents lit candles on Shabbat but never joined a synagogue, who married non-Jewish spouses and haven’t been to Israel but send their kids to Hebrew school — the series spoke to them in a way that other TV programs haven’t.

Finally, a TV show that expresses Jewish American sensibilities!

But that does explain a lot about why Mad Men was such a media phenomenon without ever developing much of a mass audience: amusingly, its finale on Sunday was beaten almost two to one in the Nielsen ratings by two colorized I Love Lucy reruns from over 60 years ago.

As it turns out, that was a deliberate choice on Weiner’s part. Weiner, who was raised in Los Angeles, wanted to tell a story about other-ness. “Getting to say that about Jews was fresh — to me,” he says. “And it’s a part of my life. Having grown up in a community with restricted country clubs and a lot of sophisticated anti-Semitism, I felt proud that I got to actually say that. And a little bit defiant.”

It’s natural to assume that I must be making up all this stuff about country clubs because it sounds so nuts, but there it is, over and over again.

In Weiner’s defense, Hancock Park, where Weiner (b. 1965) grew up, was likely the WASPiest enclave west of Pasadena. And the Harvard-Westlake prep school he attended in the Hollywood Hills had some vague Episcopalian connection. But still …

You have to admire the tenacity with which Weiner seizes upon scraps of evidence to suggest that Jews in Los Angeles during during his youth were victimized outsiders rather than the top dogs in the most glamorous industry in the world. It’s like how Michael Jordan, the most popular athlete in the world, used to psyche himself up before big games in the 1990s by obsessing over one sentence somebody somewhere had said about him that wasn’t wholly fawning.

Whatever works.

Last week, Weiner talked about how he chose to portray New York Jewish life in the 1960s. The interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.

In other words, Weiner likes giving interviews. He’s not a particularly coherent speaker, but he definitely has a lot to get off his chest.

Q. What were you trying to say about Jewish identity and how it changed?

A. Well, there is a fluidity to it. On the one hand, I’m saying it’s inescapable, you should be who you are. I’m saying that about Don, I’m saying that about everybody. On the other hand, I’m saying Roger’s wife, Jane Siegel, is Jewish, and it’s really inconsequential. And this is the guy who clearly has biases and belongs to restricted country clubs.

Like I said …

But I love the idea that for her, it’s not a big deal. And for Rachel, it’s completely defining. It’s the separateness of how you see yourself, whether it’s inside you or you’re being reminded of it every day. And I think that there are moments of tolerance. I think that despite anti-Semitism, that the Israeli victories in the late Sixties were very inspiring to the American public. And those characters like Moshe Dayan were completely heroic. For being outnumbered, for being smarter, for winning against all odds.

The more time goes by, the more the Israeli victory in the Six-Days-War of 1967 seems like a key historical event in world culture because of the confidence-building impact it had on Jews, especially on the more naturally conservative and ethnocentric Jews like Weiner.

It’s healthy human nature for a teenage male to want to be a Defender of the Clan, to go and do battle with the Tribe’s enemies. High school football is one well-known outlet for this primordial instinct.

Of course, to have a Clan to defend, you also have to have a Not-Clan that you feel resentment against. But grown-ups keep telling you that you can’t be at war all the time, that there are rules of truce. But, if you are a high testosterone male, like Moshe Dayan or Matthew Weiner, you can’t help but keep noticing how the Not-Clan is always violating the rules of fairness, how the Not-Tribe is always getting ready to attack.

A. … I was always interested in having Jews be part of the fabric of New York City, but they definitely were not part of the fabric of that ad agency. That was a conscious decision as we showed in the show, to bring Jews in. And that was also part of the story of advertising. That subversive attitude, humorous attitude — you are living in someone else’s world. Certainly the creative revolution had to do with what I would call a Jewish sense of humor being introduced into advertising that America already loved.

One way to discourage members of a Clan from getting worked up all the time over the horridness of the Not-Clan is to make fun of them for it. But if one Tribe’s aversion toward its Not-Tribe neighbors is ruled to be Not a Joking Matter, well, people like Matthew Weiner never quite get the joke.

After all, what reason do they have to need a sense of humor about their own prejudices? Weiner has been making a fool of himself in interviews for some time now about all the anti-Semitism he endured in Coldwater Canyon, but almost nobody has noticed that it’s funny. It sure hasn’t hurt his career.

Q. Was advertising truly an all-WASP bastion? And if it was all WASP, what made it start to change? Was there a tipping point?

A. I am not enough of an expert on this to really be specific, but it was segregated for a long time.

There is is a key bit of sleight-of-hand that goes by almost without noticing: in response to “Was advertising truly an all-WASP bastion?” Weiner replies, “It was segregated.” In other words, just as with investment banks and country clubs, advertising firms tended to lean Jewish or gentile, but the industry was hardly an all-WASP bastion. But that’s a more complicated reality than what the Post interviewer asked. But you can hardly expect Weiner to delve into minor bits of trivia like this, when he only has had 92 hours of Mad Men and 10 million words of interviews to clear things up.

But there’s a lot of quintessential ad campaigns early on, where Jewish sensibility and Jewish writers, some of them female, started having an impact. And I think that by 1969, people are looking for Jewish creatives.

I think boutique agencies breaking off also started to bring Jews into the picture. These these were white agencies, populated by white people, using all of the typical philosophies that are used to exclude people.

It’s interesting that Weiner, who has become so immensely influential by ret-conning the past to suit current prejudices, uses “white” as meaning “gentile.”

The Flight from White is one of the important stories of our time.

Which is, “I’m not comfortable around them; they’re selling to a minority,” and the irony being, of course, that a lot of the entertainment that the ads are sitting in is being written by Jewish comedy writers.

At the beginning of the 1960s, you have someone having to go to the mailroom to find a Jewish employee and then all of a sudden, it’s okay, we want Jews. We want Jews in our ad agency.

I certainly don’t know more about the history of American advertising than Matthew Weiner does, but I do know the dominant ad man of the first half of the century: Albert Lasker. Wikipedia writes:

Albert Davis Lasker (May 1, 1880 – May 30, 1952) was an American businessman who is often considered to be the founder of modern advertising. … Chicago, along with New York, was the center of the nation’s advertising industry. Lasker, known as the “father of modern advertising,” made Chicago his base 1898–1942. As head of the Lord and Thomas agency, Lasker devised a copywriting technique that appealed directly to the psychology of the consumer.

Women seldom smoked cigarettes; he told them if they smoked Lucky Strikes they could stay slender. Lasker’s use of radio, particularly with his campaigns for Palmolive soap, Pepsodent toothpaste, Kotex products, and Lucky Strike cigarettes, not only revolutionized the advertising industry but also significantly changed popular culture.[2]

The Jewish Virtual Library writes:

Lasker Family
Modern History: Table of Contents | Jews in America | Advertising

LASKER, family of prominence in the 19th–20th centuries in the U.S.

MORRIS LASKER (1840–1916), who was born in Prussia, immigrated to the U.S. in 1856. After settling in Texas in 1860, he participated in a number of Indian campaigns and fought in the Civil War with the Confederacy. After the war Lasker moved to Galveston, where he became a prominent merchant, real estate and livestock dealer, and banker. He was elected to the Texas state senate in 1895. His brother Eduard *Lasker (1829–1884) was a prominent German politician and author.

ALBERT DAVIS LASKER (1880–1952), an advertising pioneer, public servant, and communal leader, was brought up in Galveston. Lasker worked as a reporter for the Dallas News before joining the Chicago advertising agency of Lord & Thomas in 1898. He subsequently bought the agency (1910), and when he dissolved the firm and retired in 1942, the agency was the largest of its kind in the world. Lasker’s inventiveness, particularly his use of what he called “salesmanship-in-print,” sparked a tremendous growth in the advertising business. His public and political posts included aide to President Wilson’s secretary of the Department of Agriculture; head of the Republican National Committee’s publicity department (1918); and chairman of the U.S. Shipping Board (1921–23). Before resigning from the last, Lasker oversaw the extensive reorganization of the U.S. merchant marine and the disposal of $3 billion worth of the board’s assets. In 1940 he was a delegate from Illinois to the Republican National Convention. Active in Jewish affairs, Lasker contributed to the Hebrew Union College, was a trustee of the Associated Jewish Charities of Chicago, and was a member of the American Jewish Committee’s executive committee. He also founded and endowed the Lasker Foundation for medical research in 1928.

And various sisters of Albert Lasker were prominent in Zionism, immigration issues, and the ACLU.

Of course Weiner knows all about Lasker. That’s obvious because the very first episode of Mad Men ever ends with Don Draper plagiarizing Lasker’s Lucky Strike slogan. As I wrote six years ago in Taki’s Magazine:

In the pilot episode set in 1960, for instance, Don Draper is proclaimed a genius by his clients and colleagues for dreaming up a new slogan for Lucky Strike cigarettes: “It’s Toasted.” In reality, a lame phrase like that would have been laughed at in 1960. Lucky Strike’s “It’s Toasted” slogan actually dates to 1917.

Lasker played a key role in liberating women from society’s prejudice. From T he Man Who Sold America:

But women were beginning to smoke in the home, and Lasker realized that a vast new market was ready to open up. This was brought home to him one afternoon at the Tip Top Inn, a restaurant near his Chicago home, where he was lunching with his wife. Flora tended toward obesity, and her doctor had suggested that she take up smoking to curb her appetite. But on this particular day, when she attempted to light up after lunch, the restaurant’s proprietor rushed over and said that he could not permit a woman to smoke in the main dining room. If Flora wished to smoke, he continued, the Laskers would have to retire to a private room.

“It filled me with indignation,” Lasker recalled, “that I had to do surreptitiously something which was perfectly normal in a place where I had gone so much. That determined me to break down the prejudice against women smoking.”

Interestingly, I haven’t been able to find anything on whether Lord & Thomas, which Lasker went to work for in 1898, had much of an ethnic identity. I haven’t found any references to whether the people who hired Lasker were Jewish or not, and Lasker’s two most famous hires, former Canadian Mountie John E. Kennedy (who gave Lasker his creative philosophy that advertising was “salesmanship in print) and efficiency expert Claude C. Hopkins, don’t sound all that Jewish.

In general, the fabulously successful German Jewish-Americans like Lasker didn’t seem to trigger much resistance among gentiles, at least not until huge numbers of less suave Russian Jews showed up in America.

Indeed, a key point for understanding the past is that many Jewish families’ stories of how great-grandpa was discriminated against by American gentiles are actually stories of how he was discriminated against by German Jewish employers or country clubs that have been ret-conned over the generations to extrude awkward bits.

Lasker owned the most admired personal golf course in America during the Depression, which was ranked #23 in the country by a golf magazine in 1939. The Chicago Tribune reported in 2009:

The course was the brainchild of Albert Lasker, head of Lord & Thomas, a now-defunct Chicago ad agency that was among the largest in the U.S. Lasker rubbed elbows with celebrities, helped launch commercial radio and bought a stake in the Chicago Cubs, according to the Lake Forest-Lake Bluff Historical Society, which is hosting the tour Saturday as part of an exhibit on local golf history.

Despite his success, Lasker, who was Jewish, couldn’t wrangle an invitation to the exclusive Lake Forest golf clubs where he longed to play. In 1921 he bought 480 acres of farmland north of Half Day Road on the western fringes of the town and set up an even more exclusive club — in his own backyard.

“He wasn’t invited to play at some of the other courses, so he built his own,” said Laurie Stein, curator of the historical society. …

The William Flynn-designed course was built at a cost of about $1 million and was immaculately maintained. A who’s who of golf made the rounds with Lasker, including Gene Sarazen, Johnny Farrell and Bobby Jones, who reportedly called the course one of the three best in the country.

Back to the Washington Post interview of Weiner:

Q. Of all the Jewish characters in “Mad Men,” who’s your favorite?

A. I was very, very attached to Rachel. I was very proud of having a character on TV who is Jewish, and who says they’re Jewish, and not just has a Jewish last name and comes out in, like, Season 7 or something. …

A. … Because I think sometimes it’s forgotten. You know, for any of us who had to stand up and explain to our elementary school class what Hanukkah was in the late ‘70s. And, you know, that’s the story of the show for everybody. For all the characters.

Americans love a winner. And the way you win is by firing yourself up with anger at the perfidiousness of your opponents and how they forced you into defending yourself (hey, it worked for Genghis Khan), and by delegitimizing and demoralizing potential rivals.

A good way to do this is by ret-conning history, such as with a TV show that’s watched by all the other writers. He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.

 
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  1. Edward Bernays must have been jewish as well.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Not any jew, Bernays was the nephew of Sigmund Freud and used his theories to create the American propaganda machine.
    , @MRW
    He was.
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  2. Freud’s nephew Edward Bernays also had a big influence on advertising and marketing in America.

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  3. Maybe this has appeared on isteve before, but this is chris rock complaining about the whites in hollywood hiring other whites, but all the examples he gives are actually jews.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/top-five-filmmaker-chris-rock-753223

    You’re telling me no Mexicans are qualified to do anything at a studio? Really? Nothing but mop up? What are the odds that that’s true? The odds are, because people are people, that there’s probably a Mexican David Geffen mopping up for somebody’s company right now.

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    • Replies: @Peter Meyer
    A few years ago I was listening to Adam Carolla's podcast when a listener asked him if he thought that Jews control Hollywood: he flatly responded that yes, they did, and that, all other things being equal, it was much easier to get a writing job as a Jew (and/or Ivy League graduate) than as a state-school gentile. He was very matter-of-fact about it, and gave examples from his own experience.

    This stuff is plain as day, in no small part because Jews can't resist bragging about it (e.g., Hillel proudly listing on its website that Harvard, Yale et al. are 20%+ Jewish). What I'll never understand is why nobody seems to care.

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  4. @josh
    Edward Bernays must have been jewish as well.

    Not any jew, Bernays was the nephew of Sigmund Freud and used his theories to create the American propaganda machine.

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  5. I imagine at least a few of Weiner’s associates experience feelings similar to those felt by UVA-Jackie’s friends when she would inevitably start up with one of her ever changing sexual assault fish stories. Oh boy, here Matt goes again!

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Matthew Weiner should do a sequel to John Carpenter's They Live but have the magic sunglasses show WASP antisemites rather than aliens.

    On the same theme, I just remembered a Photoshop piece Alain Soral posted on his site when the "Je Suis Charlie" hype was at its height: http://i.imgur.com/lSRMI78.jpg
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  6. Finally, a TV show that expresses Jewish American sensibilities!

    That one definitely made me LOL…

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  7. “Mad Men.” Over seven seasons, the series [....] traces the United States’ transition from the staid, tradition-bound Eisenhower years to the freewheeling exuberance and social upheaval of the 1960s.

    Just picture the churn, dynamism, mass migrations and megaprojects of 20th century America and then ask yourself what in the hell the Washington Post reporter could possibly be talking about? I guess the Eisenhower years were a real bummer if your parents grew up in a home that took the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg really hard and only cheered up when Moshe Dyan got on the cover of Time and Abbie Hoffman made his presence known.

    Yeah the years between the end of WW2 and the cultural revolution beginning around 1967-’68 were a Dark Ages for some people and time of boom, new prosperity, new mobility and new opportunities for almost everyone else. This is why Hollywood needs to whither down to nothing if the rest of us are going to be able to tell our own stories to our own people.

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  8. @anon
    I imagine at least a few of Weiner's associates experience feelings similar to those felt by UVA-Jackie's friends when she would inevitably start up with one of her ever changing sexual assault fish stories. Oh boy, here Matt goes again!

    Matthew Weiner should do a sequel to John Carpenter’s They Live but have the magic sunglasses show WASP antisemites rather than aliens.

    On the same theme, I just remembered a Photoshop piece Alain Soral posted on his site when the “Je Suis Charlie” hype was at its height:

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  9. Oh, and I love love love that Weiner congratulates himself on his courage in introducing a Jewish character on American television in the year 2007. Edgy!

    Seriously, you can’t make this stuff up.

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  10. Matthew Weiner has his own secret meaning for his Mad Men series, but in the real world it did not register on more than ten people in the viewing audience. If he is prone to embroidering fantasies from his father being denied entry into tony Christian country clubs, then he is doing the same thing here. Steve can go on about Matthew Weiner’s psyche and motivations but it was poor Judaic propaganda. No one noticed.

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  11. “It filled me with indignation,” Lasker recalled

    That wasn’t indignation, Al.

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  12. Yeah, Matt Weiner finally broke that Matzoh Ceiling that has held back Jews in TV. So brave of him to endure those anti-Semites who under-cooked his cheeseburger. Weiner’s the Uncle Leo of cable original entertainment.

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  13. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Everything has to be twisted into being some form of therapy for the self-absorbed.
    For many years now whenever someone comes up with the inevitable ‘what are you’ question I usually reply ‘American’. If they want to go further I tell them that it’s not important. I think I must be the only person who does that, everyone else I know claims to be something or other even though they’ve never even been there as a tourist. This ethnic flag waving gets fatiguing. Some of these people find themselves fascinating therefore everyone else must also be keen on it.

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    This ethnic flag waving gets fatiguing. Some of these people find themselves fascinating therefore everyone else must also be keen on it.
     
    Most memorable comment on Mondoweiss: "Jews are not that interesting."
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  14. “Over seven seasons, the series — which airs its last episode Sunday on AMC — traces the United States’ transition from the staid, tradition-bound Eisenhower years to the freewheeling exuberance and social upheaval of the 1960s.”

    In other words, it traces American society from an era when we were out-breeding and out-innovating the world…until now.

    Funny that an era in which America was incontestably at the head of the pack is considered so hidebound and backwards. An America where half of all children are bastards and the government is ass deep in debt is so much better.

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    And in this mission, Weiner failed. People who casually watched Mad Men looked past the in-your-face preachiness. Mad Men caught on because childless attention whores in their late 30s loved to fantasize about a period in which they would have been treated as a woman rather than a swipe-right/swipe-left NSA fuck toy. They wrote fan fiction about Peggy and her "marry Stan, fuck Don" conundrum. They could have cared less about the WASP/Jewish thing Weiner is trying to inject into his faded show.
    , @Dana Thompson
    The 50's were the era of exuberance and boundless self-confidence - anyone who believes it was staid, hidebound and stifling could not be more wrong. Think of the cars -- every one was a bold fashion statement, with annual model changes, just like Paris couture. We mimicked no one -- we were the best in everything we did - everyone knew that - and it was the world's task to rise to our level. And at last, as the culmination of the decade's arrow of progress, we had a beautiful glamorous First Lady who wore the latest fashions and a handsome, rich, charming, virile President - we had arrived and come into our own - and then the dream died in a spray of skull fragments and brain matter, and the balloon was punctured. Those of us of a certain age get real misty-eyed when talking about the 50's. Maybe not everything we remember was real, but it was pretty near the best reality that could be imagined.
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  15. OT:
    Steve, do you never consider how much time you would gain by allowing someone else to moderate the comments?

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    Yeah, Steve, I have many friends who are good moderators and there are quite a few who will edit your site for free!

    We will need full editorial control but in exchange you get much more time for your golf game.

    Steve, do you never consider how much time you would gain by allowing someone else to moderate the comments?
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  16. The other way to fight this is to point out that certain industries, especially Hollywood, are Jewish ethnic cartels where gentile are discriminated against so as to keep the upper management in overwhelmingly Jewish hands.

    Remember those sociology studies in which job applicants named “Britney” got more call backs than ones named “LaShawnda?” I always wanted to do an experiment like that with Jewish and gentile names in Hollywood or at publishing houses or certain banks.

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    Remember those sociology studies in which job applicants named “Britney” got more call backs than ones named “LaShawnda?” I always wanted to do an experiment like that with Jewish and gentile names in Hollywood or at publishing houses or certain banks.
     
    Someone did it in 1989. His report on Usenet:

    This inspired a telling experiment that I did in late 1989. I sent 200 copies of a letter seeking any entry level opportunity, but used two different pseudonyms - one blatantly gentile on 100 copies and one blatantly jewish on the other 100 copies of the letter. Without revealing the actual names used, let's say they were "Christian Liam O'Grady" and "Brent Irving Friedman". Well, many offers of entry level opportunities started coming in under the jewish name, and ONLY under the jewish name. There were more than 20 positive responses.

    One major production company sent two scripts to see how I would cover them, to see if they could use me as a reader. A schlock company was ready to hire me as an assistent. Was I interested in pursuing television animation writing at Disney Television Animation? Two major name persons didn't offer opportunities but did sent notes of encouragement. And one of these persons, a female, surely must rank among Hollywood's fifty biggest names! I was stunned at the positive response! But the other 100 letters, identical except the gentile signature, generated not a single positive response! I've been holding onto my response letters, and initially I investigated the possibility of self-publishing a small book or pamphlet chronicling the experiment, and once researched self publishing in the downtown L.A. library in the early Nineties. But then along came the web, which is cheaper and has a larger potential audience.
     

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  17. Faneuil Hall, the old colonial meeting hall reborn as tourist trap marketplace (#4 most visited tourist destination in America) has had an army of buskers working the crowds since its renovation and reopening. It’s owned by the City of Boston, but the management of the location is a bid contract with management companies.

    Recently, the current management company informed the buskers that there would now be a fee of up to $2,500 to work the marketplace. There was naturally a hue and cry from the usual suspects, and the management company back off the fees yesterday.

    The name of the management company, unsurprisingly:

    https://www.bostonherald.com/business/business_markets/2015/05/faneuil_hall_marketplace_managers_kill_busker_fee_proposal

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    • Replies: @Rob McX
    "Ashkenazy Acquisition Corporation" - kind of encapsulates the last fifty years of American history.
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  18. @Brutusale
    Faneuil Hall, the old colonial meeting hall reborn as tourist trap marketplace (#4 most visited tourist destination in America) has had an army of buskers working the crowds since its renovation and reopening. It's owned by the City of Boston, but the management of the location is a bid contract with management companies.

    Recently, the current management company informed the buskers that there would now be a fee of up to $2,500 to work the marketplace. There was naturally a hue and cry from the usual suspects, and the management company back off the fees yesterday.

    The name of the management company, unsurprisingly:

    https://www.bostonherald.com/business/business_markets/2015/05/faneuil_hall_marketplace_managers_kill_busker_fee_proposal

    “Ashkenazy Acquisition Corporation” – kind of encapsulates the last fifty years of American history.

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  19. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:

    ” Chicago, along with New York, was the center of the nation’s advertising industry. ” I think that this is forgotten sometimes. Chicago’s Leo Burnett, another Jewish ad agency guy, came up with some of the most memorable ad campaigns of the 20th Century such as
    Jolly Green Giant [Green Giant]
    Tony The Tiger [Kellogg's Frosted Flakes]
    Hubert The Lion [Harris Bank]
    Charlie The Tuna [Star-Kist]
    Pillsbury Doughboy [Pillsbury]
    Keebler Elves [Keebler]
    Morris The Cat [9 Lives]
    Toucan Sam [Kellogg's Fruit Loops]
    Maytag Repairman [Maytag]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Burnett

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    Leo Burnett came up with switching Marlboro from a women's cigarette named after an English country estate to a cowboy cigarette. He was at least half Jewish (father Noble Israel Burnett).
    , @Dana Thompson
    There were a couple of cultural phenomena in the 50's that embodied a Jewish sensibility and also contributed substantially to the glamour of Americanism that, to me, anyway, attaches to the era. One is Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone. Nearly every episode taught a wholesome lesson of self respect and respect for others, and mental independence and resistance to the group-think that leads to mob rule. I don't think this topic could have held such resonance for Serling had he not been a Jew (albeit converted to Unitarian-Universalism). The other is Mad Magazine. Much of its energies in the '50 were devoted to mocking the crassness of advertising and the whole mass consumer culture. If there was conformism back then, it was the foil that allowed the daring iconoclasm and 'hipness' of the magazine to shine the brighter. Mad didn't become preachy and didactic until the '60's -- 1963 maybe, that watershed year. Oh, and we mustn't forget Superman - "truth, justice, and the American way" - we really believed it back then - who could doubt the man of steel. In this forum, where vibrations of a negative sort may be floating about, I'm proud to express gratitude to Jews who made me a better person.
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  20. cultural phenomenon that is “Mad Men.”

    Can someone explain to me how this TV show qualifies as a cultural phenomenon.

    Let me add that I understand how we could use that description for I Love Lucy.

    If one’s topic sentence is factually incorrect, what does the rest of the paragraph do?

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  21. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    "Over seven seasons, the series — which airs its last episode Sunday on AMC — traces the United States’ transition from the staid, tradition-bound Eisenhower years to the freewheeling exuberance and social upheaval of the 1960s."

    In other words, it traces American society from an era when we were out-breeding and out-innovating the world...until now.

    Funny that an era in which America was incontestably at the head of the pack is considered so hidebound and backwards. An America where half of all children are bastards and the government is ass deep in debt is so much better.

    And in this mission, Weiner failed. People who casually watched Mad Men looked past the in-your-face preachiness. Mad Men caught on because childless attention whores in their late 30s loved to fantasize about a period in which they would have been treated as a woman rather than a swipe-right/swipe-left NSA fuck toy. They wrote fan fiction about Peggy and her “marry Stan, fuck Don” conundrum. They could have cared less about the WASP/Jewish thing Weiner is trying to inject into his faded show.

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    That's funny. I count myself as a fan of the show, and I always thought a big part of the appeal was seeing a world where you could drink and smoke in the office. I haven't smoked in years, but it all seemed like so much fun.
    , @gjk
    "Mad Men caught on because childless attention whores in their late 30s loved to fantasize about a period in which they would have been treated as a woman rather than a swipe-right/swipe-left NSA fuck toy."

    they are being treated that way because of their own behavior. YOu make it sound as if it is something that is done unto them.
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  22. And when I went meet my new (now ex) wife’s Jewish family, the members and their extended friends would ask me,

    “And what kind of name is Minter?” (meaning that “name doesn’t sound Jewish”) And after the n-th time being asked that question, I began to respond, “American, I think.”

    My wife was awfully “reformed” and she went for the big tall Blonde Blue Eyed Nazi looking guy instead of the Matt Wiener guy they would have rather she married. And they were none too pleased over it. And they did little to mask that they were not. They sort of begrudgingly held their tongues because if they were going to demand to be let into our country clubs then they had to accept the random interloper like me. But it was always there under the surface and I was constantly aware of it.

    And I learned to “re-coin” a Jewish saying,

    “If you ever forget you are not a Jew, don’t worry, they’ll remind you.”

    In fact, there is an 80′s Jewish joke that was told about the daughters that “went astray”.

    A Jewish grandfather at his granddaughter’s high school graduation pulls her to the side and tells her, “I will pay for all of your college and enable you to live as a princess. But you must agree to not have romantic relationships with a Gentile.”

    The granddaughter agrees, attends her first year, and afterwards in the summer, she sees her grandfather again. He asks, “Did you do as I said. You know that I will see in your eyes if you do not tell me the truth. So look at me in the eyes and answer me.”

    The granddaughter drops her eyes and says, “Sorry, Bubee, but I disobeyed you.”

    The Grandfathers raises his voice and says, “And you had a relationship with a Gentile?”

    The Granddaughter says, “Yes.”

    The Grandfather says, “I demanded this for your own good. You know the Gentile will never let you forget you are a Jew. What will you do when he says, “Get me some coffe, K***?”

    The Granddaugher replies, “I”ll say get it yourself, n*****.”

    My ex in-laws would have been only slightly more disappointed had I been black and not a Blond and southern poor boy on the GI Bill. So Weiner can kiss my ass. I know as much about being the “other” among the Jews as he does about being among the Gentiles.

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  23. Steve Sailer: …hey, it worked for Genghis Khan…

    Maybe his real name was Genghis Kahn.

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    There actually once was a kosher-Mongolian restaurant in LA called Genghis Cohen!
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  24. “And that was also part of the story of advertising. That subversive attitude, humorous attitude — you are living in someone else’s world. Certainly the creative revolution had to do with what I would call a Jewish sense of humor being introduced into advertising that America already loved.”

    We are now all living int he world of subversive (jewish) humor. A hostile attitude of perpetual juvenile snark IS the establishment now. Yeah…….that’s so much better.

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  25. Maybe the Holocaust Museum should do a Restricted Country Club exhibit.

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  26. Mad Men is an anti-White smear campaign drawn up by jews. Ergo, it is a jewish show.

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  27. Did you watch Mad Men, Steve? I couldn’t get into it. Too much cult-marxist subversion of happy, normal life. But, I did not know that a Jew was behind it until I read your blog. (Sigh).

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  28. “Of course, to have a Clan to defend, you also have to have a Not-Clan that you feel resentment against. ”

    What is this, Slate magazine?

    “But grown-ups keep telling you that you can’t be at war all the time, that there are rules of truce. But, if you are a high testosterone male, like Moshe Dayan or Matthew Weiner, you can’t help but keep noticing how the Not-Clan is always violating the rules of fairness, how the Not-Tribe is always getting ready to attack.”

    That crazy Moshe getting into his head that Arabs are belligerent. Where did he get that idea? From observing data and forming patterns? What a racist nut. If only he had listened to those adults who told him to calm down then he could have lived peacefully with the Arabs just like all those other non-Arab minorities in the region.

    Here’s a hint. Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans. Parroting whatever you last read some neurotic Jewish American loon write on Mondoweiss makes about as much sense as, well, … actually I can’t think of anything to be honest.

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    Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans.

    Germans and White Americans fought each other twice in the last century in rather significant skirmishes; Israelis and Jewish Americans did nothing of the sort. White Americans don't lobby for German interests even if at the expense of the US the way Jewish Americans do for Israelis. (And no, the Marshall Plan, which Germany benefitted from, does not compare). This is the problem with using others people's weaknesses (imperfections, really) as a political weapon against them - not to mention punishing them for things they did not do: Eventually some of the targets will notice then start using your people's weak points to retaliate against.

    , @AnAnon
    "That crazy Moshe getting into his head that Arabs are belligerent." - The not-clan referenced isn't arabs, which is why arab immigration into America is supported.
    , @Anon
    "Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans."

    I'm not sure what you're alluding to. Most Americans of a conservative bent do not take anything out on Israel. They largely support her. The 2nd half of your statement made me laugh out loud. Having spent lots of time around Jewish people, you don't know how many times they've explicitly or implicitly suggested that I was no different than the worst NAZI because I am a Christian. This, despite the fact that my ancestors landed at Omaha and beat back the German hordes. If I called attention to that, they'd shrug and say they didn't care or it didn't mean anything.
    , @ben tillman

    Here’s a hint. Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans.
     
    Fair is fair. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. You're a sucker if you let others play by rules less-restrictive than those you play by.
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  29. Because I think sometimes it’s forgotten. You know, for any of us who had to stand up and explain to our elementary school class what Hanukkah was in the late ‘70s.

    The horrors of America’s history should never be forgotten.

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  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I haven’t watched ‘Mad Men’ at all, but I was surprised to hear that it’s finale was easily beaten in the ratings by ‘I love Lucy’ re-runs. That’s telling.

    It’s the same with that show ‘Girls’ – it gets massive amounts of press attention, but apparently even at its peek the ratings were quite poor.

    These shows flatter the sensibilities of a certain type of media-savvy urbanite. It’s a small little niche, but for whatever reason these people hold very large and extremely loud megaphones… Without the megaphones most of us would barely know these shows exist.

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  31. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Country Club-ism was likely proof of wasp decline than wasp power.

    As wasps began to lose to Jews in so many areas, they had to focus on zones like country clubs to maintain a world of their own.

    Rise of Jews was meritocratic in the beginning, but the taboos they instituted made America less meritocratic. If you say ‘wrong’ about certain favored groups, you’re out no matter how talented or prestigious you are. James Watson for instance.

    And if you’re a hack but say the ‘right’ things, you can get very far, like Stephen J. Gould.

    In so many areas of power and influence, you must pass the litmus test of “Are you good for the Jews?”

    It favors slavish hacks over irreverent talents.

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  32. So, there’s like one commercial from the late 1960s or early 1970s that is famous…one that was considered ‘insulting’ to Italian-Americans. It’s the ‘That’s a Spicy Meatball’ ad.

    So I look it up and thanks to Al Gore and the wonderful WASP (original version) Tim Berners-Lee, I find that it was made by one Roy Grace. Grace was born in the Bronx, but that’s his real name (Jason Roy Grace) and its a pretty common Irish name, so probably not Jewish.

    However, the firm he worked for was Doyle Dane Birnbach and, as you’d guess, Birnbach was Jewish. Doyle almost certainly not, and Dane, well, definitely had a Jewish wife (Esther); his kids were named Abraham, Michael, Marion, etc. DDB was founded in 1949 — advertising was integrated by then.

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    DDB also developed the Volkswagen Beetle as a product far above and beyond the car itself.

    I've retained an entire boxful of their ads, magazines, and corollary products since childhood. Selling the Fuhrer's peoplewagon to the white masses in the US.

    It all looks very different from a "post racial" perspective. :D
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  33. @Wilkey
    "Over seven seasons, the series — which airs its last episode Sunday on AMC — traces the United States’ transition from the staid, tradition-bound Eisenhower years to the freewheeling exuberance and social upheaval of the 1960s."

    In other words, it traces American society from an era when we were out-breeding and out-innovating the world...until now.

    Funny that an era in which America was incontestably at the head of the pack is considered so hidebound and backwards. An America where half of all children are bastards and the government is ass deep in debt is so much better.

    The 50′s were the era of exuberance and boundless self-confidence – anyone who believes it was staid, hidebound and stifling could not be more wrong. Think of the cars — every one was a bold fashion statement, with annual model changes, just like Paris couture. We mimicked no one — we were the best in everything we did – everyone knew that – and it was the world’s task to rise to our level. And at last, as the culmination of the decade’s arrow of progress, we had a beautiful glamorous First Lady who wore the latest fashions and a handsome, rich, charming, virile President – we had arrived and come into our own – and then the dream died in a spray of skull fragments and brain matter, and the balloon was punctured. Those of us of a certain age get real misty-eyed when talking about the 50′s. Maybe not everything we remember was real, but it was pretty near the best reality that could be imagined.

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    Absolutely correct.
    It was heaven on earth, particularly if you lived in a place like Palo Alto or the Santa Monica Palisades or Locust Valley or Great Neck or Fifth Avenue - all places of my Fifties journey through childhood.
    And those cars! From Fleetwood Cadillacs to Chevrolet station wagons, they were solid, handsome, and reliable.
    Just like Americans of the time, come to think of it.
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  34. From the posts I read here it seems a number of Jews have a resentment against the Founding Stock, and in some way every other European ethnic group as well. My question is this. Do a significant number of Jews in Latin America have the same antagonism for the local Founding Stock? After all, Spaniards and Portuguese expelled Jews from Iberia and conducted the Inquisition. And the European Latin Americans stole their land from the natives, imported slaves and created societies where people of color are second and third class citizens. Are the whites of Latin America given the same examination by Jews there that the whites of North America are given by Jews here? If not, why not?

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    Not to the same extent. Jewish hatred of Gentiles is a function of the talent of a particular Gentile population. Primarily intellectual and organizational talent, but also, to a lesser degree, other attributes (athleticism, for example).

    The main goal is a world void of intellectual equals.

    , @ben tillman

    From the posts I read here it seems a number of Jews have a resentment against the Founding Stock, and in some way every other European ethnic group as well. My question is this. Do a significant number of Jews in Latin America have the same antagonism for the local Founding Stock?

     

    Jews, including anusim, were a large part of the founding stock in much of Latin America, at least 10% and perhaps more like 25%. Jews were there from the start in 1492.


    After all, Spaniards and Portuguese expelled Jews from Iberia and conducted the Inquisition. And the European Latin Americans stole their land from the natives, imported slaves and created societies where people of color are second and third class citizens. Are the whites of Latin America given the same examination by Jews there that the whites of North America are given by Jews here? If not, why not?
     
    The Spaniards and Portuguese mixed with the Indians and blacks, as did many of the Jews, but some of the Jews had the cultural equipment and ethnocentrism to maintain their endogamous practices over the centuries. Latin American Jews are essentially the only remnants of the founding stock.
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  35. Sean says:

    You have to admire the tenacity with which Weiner seizes upon scraps of evidence to suggest that Jews in Los Angeles during his youth were victimized outsiders rather than the top dogs in the most glamorous industry in the world. It’s like how Michael Jordan, the most popular athlete in the world, used to psyche himself up before big games in the 1990s by obsessing over one sentence somebody somewhere had said about him that wasn’t wholly fawning. Whatever works.

    Maybe at one time people thought Jewish people were not good at getting inside gentiles’ heads, or blacks did not make good basketball players.

    Some things the best at them in the world are going to be of a certain ethnicity, because of the historical selection they have been subjected to . So for a while there is resistance There was real WASP resistance in the social sphere with people being turned away from hotels. But that more or less ended before WW1 (1907 Atlantic City hotel apologizes to Bertha Rayner Frank for anti-Jewish discrimination (Her brother was the first Jewish senator (Maryland). Her niece financially supported the research of JB Watson , who used her as the subject of his experiments in ******** arousal. Watson the behaviourist and antiracist who advised advertising companies in the 1920′s, had some sick ideas about infants.)

    Anyway, after a while other peoples realise that it is a waste of time and they can’t win at certain things (politics, mass culture, advertising, quantum physics…) so they don’t bother trying. The Weiners of this world are like other successful people. No one likes to think the main reason they are winners is they were given a genetic royal flush.

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    Some things the best at them in the world are going to be of a certain ethnicity, because of the historical selection they have been subjected to . So for a while there is resistance There was real WASP resistance in the social sphere with people being turned away from hotels. But that more or less ended before WW1 (1907 Atlantic City hotel apologizes to Bertha Rayner Frank for anti-Jewish discrimination (Her brother was the first Jewish senator (Maryland).
     
    David Yulee (D-Florida) joined the Senate in 1845. His second cousin Judah Benjamin (W-Louisian) joined the Senate in 1853. Benjamin Jonas (D-Louisiana) and Joseph Simon (R-Ore.) also preceded Isidor Rayner into the Senate.
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  36. Gato de la Biblioteca [AKA "Icepick"] says:

    amusingly, [Mad Men's] finale on Sunday was beaten almost two to one in the Nielsen ratings by two colorized I Love Lucy reruns from over 60 years ago.

    This is a mega-microaggression by white people against Jewish people.

    I’m not even sure if I’m making a joke or not. I just can’t tell parody from reality these days.

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  37. “almost nobody has noticed that it’s funny”

    Instead of trying so hard to laugh it off maybe you should, you know, notice that it’s not funny.

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  38. Whatever happens
    We have got
    The megaphone
    And they have not.

    –M. Weiner

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  39. Americans love a winner. And the way you win is by firing yourself up with anger at the perfidiousness of your opponents and how they forced you into defending yourself (hey, it worked for Genghis Khan),

    What happens in 20 years when the plurality white population has more legitimate grievances than Wiener?

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  40. Comments on two topics.

    1. Regarding the Lucky Strike line “It’s toasted” in the 60s: That is not a lame anachronistic invention of the TV show. It was indeed a tagline around that time as the show depicts. I remember it very well from my childhood (maybe it was in the late 50s), and I was fascinated by the apparent “re-creation” on the show of the origin of line. I did not know “It’s toasted” had actually been used decades before, as the antique graphic demonstrates.

    2. Regarding the pain Jewish kids might have felt at Hanukkah time, having to explain to the surrounding school population why they weren’t getting with the Christmas program: I remember in the second or third grade the teacher asked everyone to write an essay beginning “To me Christmas means….” Boy, that’s an easy one, I innocently thought, and wrote just one sentence–”To me Christmas means nothing because I am not a Christian”–and handed it in. She said “Uhhh, ok, you can write ‘To me Hanukkah means…’” It was a very mellow progressive school, and my situation resulted in just a micro-micro-aggression. However, I can imagine out there in the world a similar situation replicated thousands of times leading to anything from mild discomfiture to a pillorying or even a thrashing from jeering schoolmates. Triumph or trauma, doesn’t it all fall into a bell-shaped curve?

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    However, I can imagine out there in the world a similar situation replicated thousands of times leading to anything from mild discomfiture to a pillorying or even a thrashing from jeering schoolmates. Triumph or trauma, doesn’t it all fall into a bell-shaped curve?
     
    No.

    I can imagine Jews making matzah balls out of the blood of gentile infants. Do you feel compelled to treat such libelous fantasies as reality?
    , @Anonymous
    Regarding the pain Jewish kids might have felt at Hanukkah time, having to explain to the surrounding school population why they weren’t getting with the Christmas program:

    Nothing stopping you from celebrating Christmas with your fellow countrymen, or even from embracing Christainity. Everyone else has. It is your choice to not get with the program.
    , @Brutusale
    As a 12-year old, I was always waiting for the explanation as to why my Jewish Little League teammates were able to skip practice to go to Hebrew school without suffering the same penalties as we Gentiles.

    The one the coach gave me at the time, that it's an important religious thing, didn't wash, as I pointed out they didn't miss GAMES for Hebrew school.

    If I had gone to public schools instead of Catholic, I'd have been the kid asking why the Jewish kids got my religious holidays off, but I didn't get theirs.
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  41. “The Goldbergs is a comedy-drama broadcast from 1929 to 1946 on American radio, and from 1949 to 1956 on American television. It was adapted into a 1948 play, Me and Molly; a 1950 film, The Goldbergs; and a 1973 Broadway musical, Molly.” see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goldbergs_(broadcast_series)

    And to think that I grew up watching this tv show in the early 1950s without realizing that it was actually not about a “typical” Jewish family.

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    Yes, I saw part of an episode of The Goldbergs from the late 1940s recently. It was about two elderly brothers with thick Yiddish accents. Very early TV shows tended to be super-Jewish. NBC gave Milton Berle a million dollar a year contract for 30 years that didn't run out until 1981. NBC couldn't imagine that the rest of the country wouldn't find Berle as hilarious as New York, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, and Los Angeles had when the hinterlands got TV.
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  42. @iSteveFan
    From the posts I read here it seems a number of Jews have a resentment against the Founding Stock, and in some way every other European ethnic group as well. My question is this. Do a significant number of Jews in Latin America have the same antagonism for the local Founding Stock? After all, Spaniards and Portuguese expelled Jews from Iberia and conducted the Inquisition. And the European Latin Americans stole their land from the natives, imported slaves and created societies where people of color are second and third class citizens. Are the whites of Latin America given the same examination by Jews there that the whites of North America are given by Jews here? If not, why not?

    Not to the same extent. Jewish hatred of Gentiles is a function of the talent of a particular Gentile population. Primarily intellectual and organizational talent, but also, to a lesser degree, other attributes (athleticism, for example).

    The main goal is a world void of intellectual equals.

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  43. It’s interesting that Weiner, who has become so immensely influential by ret-conning the past to suit current prejudices, uses “white” as meaning “gentile.”

    When right of center writers keep adding Leftist dictated qualifiers; from disparaging ‘anti-white male’ to ‘anti-straight white male’ to ‘anti-cis hetero binary white’ ad nauseum, all they really need do to shorten their key strokes is write ‘anti-white goy.’ Weiner is right, white means goy.

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  44. ad nauseam

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  45. Having grown up in a community with restricted country clubs and a lot of sophisticated anti-Semitism

    I suppose it depends on what the meaning of “grown up” is. When Weiner was born in 1964 or 65 (oddly there seems to be some question as to his birthday) restricted clubs still existed.

    From Wikipedia:

    [I]n 1962 twelve of the “leading country clubs” and eight of the “most prestigious city clubs” in the Greater Los Angeles area were open only to Christians, but in 1969 those figures had dropped to eleven and five. Six of the city and country clubs that discriminated in 1969 were listed in Los Angeles, five in Pasadena, two in Glendale and one each in La Habra, Long Beach and Upland.[8]
    In July 1969, there were no Jewish members in the California Club but “at least one Jew” in the Jonathan Club, yet the latter club hadn’t “taken in any Jewish members for at least two decades,” Neil C. Sandberg, regional director of the American Jewish Committee, told Jack Smith of the Los Angeles Times.[2]

    However, pressure on the clubs increased starting in the mid-70s :

    “By 1976 some businesses were deciding not to reimburse executives for the dues they paid to clubs that discriminated against minorities. Wells Fargo Bank banned meetings at discriminatory clubs in October 1975, and Bank of America was also one of the first, announcing moreover that it would not itself maintain such memberships, nor would it sponsor events anywhere “unless all business guests who should attend can attend.” Mayor Tom Bradley’s office announced that he would no longer attend meetings at either the Jonathan or the California clubs.”

    Most of the clubs caved to that and started admitting at least token Jews around that time, so that by the time of Matthew’s bar mitzvah, such discrimination was on its way out if not gone entirely.

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    Yeah, but just try to imagine a gentile TV writer repeatedly bringing up with interviewers the smoldering resentment he felt as a tween at the fact that he couldn't join the local Jewish country club.
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  46. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Is this about privilege or about the look?

    Is it about then or is it about now?

    Today, there is no more exclusion. If anything, red carpets are rolled out for Jews everywhere.
    But people like Anthony Weiner(NY congressman) still look like Anthony Weiner than the cool Wasps in Madmen.

    So, no matter how far Jews get inside, they are aesthetically on the outside.

    If Wasps all looked like short ugly people and if Wasp women looked ugly as hell, would Jews have wanted in? It wasn’t only about privilege. It was about attraction. Jews hate what they love because it isn’t natural to them. So, even when Jews are on the inside and Wasps are on the outside, Jews still feel like outsiders because, even inside the palace, they look like outsiders, whereas Wasps, even as outsiders, still look like insiders.

    Jealous Jewish Ego tells Jewish men to smash all beautiful idols.
    But in Madmen, Weiner makes love to them before smashing them.

    And in time, he will reconstruct the idols and make love to them before smashing them all over again.

    A pathology. Jews hate Nazis but love the ‘Nazi look’.

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    "A pathology. Jews hate Nazis but love the ‘Nazi look’."

    What Jew doesn't wish he looked like, say, Joseph Goebbels?
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  47. “Torches of Freedom” was a phrase used to encourage women’s smoking by exploiting women’s aspirations for a better life during the women’s liberation movement in the United States.

    To expand the number of women smokers Hill decided to hire Edward Bernays, who today is known as the father of public relations, to help him recruit women smokers. Bernays decided to attempt to eliminate the social taboo of women smoking in public.”

    Forget about Don Draper…………..

    “….Adam Curtis’s award-winning 2002 documentary for the BBC, The Century of the Self, pinpoints Bernays as the originator of modern public relations, and Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century by Life magazine.

    Born 1891 in Vienna to Jewish parents, Bernays was by two branches of his family tree the nephew of psychoanalysis pioneer Sigmund Freud. His mother was Sigmund’s sister Anna and his father was Ely Bernays, brother of Freud’s wife Martha Bernays. In 1892 his family moved to New York City, where he attended DeWitt Clinton High School.

    And then there is the once famous “You’ve Come a Long Way” campaign launched, July 22, 1968.

    “Be a Feminist, Get lung cancer!!!”

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    Americans love a winner. And the way you win is by firing yourself up with anger at the perfidiousness of your opponents and how they forced you into defending yourself (hey, it worked for Genghis Khan), and by delegitimizing and demoralizing potential rivals.

    That technique can be found in a little know propaganda pamphlet called The Torah or the Old Testament.

    Those Canaanites and Midianites wouldn’t let us into their country clubs and law firms….I mean pastures!!!!

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  48. The old Lasker house in Galveston, which served as an orphanage for nearly a century, is now a beautiful bed-and-breakfast.

    Morris Lasker never lived there, but he provided the funds that allowed the house to be expanded so that a local charity could use it as an orphanage.

    http://www.laskerinn.com/

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  49. Top writers come up with expressions that would never occur to me. And even as a writing consumer, I sometimes cannot figure out what their creative expressions even mean. An example is the _Washington Post_ writer Lisa Lednicer, who in this article writes of “grasping for a gauzy version of the American Dream”.

    Okay, “the American Dream” means becoming economically prosperous. But what would it mean to become prosperous in a “gauzy” way? Checking a dictionary, I find “gauzy = thin, light, and transparent, like gauze; diaphanous”. Operationally, what would such gauzy prosperity look like?

    Could “gauzy” be a misprint for “gaudy”? A gaudy version of the American Dream would mean buying a big house, painting it in gaudy colors, and surrounding it with a high fence topped with big, pointy finials.

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    Gauzy here means sentimental and vague. As in, her idea of the American Dream is a vague combination of the many middle class family sitcoms set in suburban houses.
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  50. Even if they are wealthy as a group, and more educated, Jewish Americans seem much more insecure than even African Americans, I think the Holocaust, and more specifically the way it is presented to them by their activists has made them warped and tortured. Of course, the Holocaust was horrible beyond words, but American Jews have accepted a world view that the entire human race is guilty, and that the human race has it out specifically for them, and them alone for special hatred and genocide.

    The human race is seen as an existential threat.

    Of course, they cannot see themselves as “White”, or as wealthy or influential.

    They see themselves as holocaust survivors.

    Every slight,that any other ethnic group,-such as Italian Americans- might shrug off is seen thru the prism of the Holocaust.

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  51. Seems like Steve is spending a lot more time on JQ than normal.

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  52. It’s natural to assume that I must be making up all this stuff about country clubs because it sounds so nuts, but there it is, over and over again.

    When the formula is: “We WILL find some justification for fucking over our rivals,” well, you take what you can get. If all you can find is hangnails and country clubs, well, hangnails and country clubs it is.

    It’s interesting that Weiner, who has become so immensely influential by ret-conning the past to suit current prejudices, uses “white” as meaning “gentile.”

    And while it doesn’t work in a technical sense, Jews typically do the reverse, too; when they say “gentile,” they usually mean “white gentiles.”

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    When the formula is: “We WILL find some justification for fucking over our rivals,” well, you take what you can get. If all you can find is hangnails and country clubs, well, hangnails and country clubs it is.

    This.
    , @ben tillman

    It’s interesting that Weiner, who has become so immensely influential by ret-conning the past to suit current prejudices, uses “white” as meaning “gentile.”
     
    Yet we have it on good authority from another commenter that only "wacko white nationalists" say that Jews aren't White.
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  53. “Who cares if those horrid Anglo-Saxons were instrumental in defeating the Nazis and ending the Holocaust? Hangnails and Country Clubs!!!”

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  54. Peter Meyer [AKA "Peter Fagan"] says:
    @bjdubbs
    Maybe this has appeared on isteve before, but this is chris rock complaining about the whites in hollywood hiring other whites, but all the examples he gives are actually jews.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/top-five-filmmaker-chris-rock-753223

    You're telling me no Mexicans are qualified to do anything at a studio? Really? Nothing but mop up? What are the odds that that's true? The odds are, because people are people, that there's probably a Mexican David Geffen mopping up for somebody's company right now.

    A few years ago I was listening to Adam Carolla’s podcast when a listener asked him if he thought that Jews control Hollywood: he flatly responded that yes, they did, and that, all other things being equal, it was much easier to get a writing job as a Jew (and/or Ivy League graduate) than as a state-school gentile. He was very matter-of-fact about it, and gave examples from his own experience.

    This stuff is plain as day, in no small part because Jews can’t resist bragging about it (e.g., Hillel proudly listing on its website that Harvard, Yale et al. are 20%+ Jewish). What I’ll never understand is why nobody seems to care.

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  55. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “It filled me with indignation,” Lasker recalled, “that I had to do surreptitiously something which was perfectly normal in a place where I had gone so much. That determined me to break down the prejudice against women smoking.”

    Smoking in restaurants fills me with indigestion! I hate smoke filled restaurants! For trivia buffs, here is where Al got filled with indignation:

    http://restaurant-ingthroughhistory.com/2014/03/30/famous-in-its-day-tip-top-inn/

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  56. The resentment Weiner nurtures seems like such a hothouse flower. Only a small fraction of Americans, even Jewish Americans, belonged or applied to country clubs forty years ago or even now. Most Jewish Americans in middle-class neighborhoods (like their Gentile neighbors) had real problems to worry about, like forced busing in Pasadena. They encountered about as much anti-Semitism in daily life as their Roman Catholic neighbors encountered anti-Papism– approximately none.

    (The era of rich Jews building their own clubs because they got blackballed at WASP clubs was just after the First Wold War, two generations before Weiner’s adolescence.)

    Weiner doesn’t deal very well with the Jewish-American conundrum, which is that the most political (mainly Conservative) American Jews want to be exactly like everyone else[1] only different. They want to join all the clubs, but they don’t want to attend Friday night parties or Saturday morning golf tournaments. They say no one should notice that they’re Jewish but they kvetch if the volunteer moms serve ham and cheese sandwiches to all the second-graders on the class trip to the La Brea Tar Pits.

    (Many Orthodox Jews welcome mild anti-Semitism despite pro-forma denunciations. They regard it as a form of acknowlegement, and as a useful bogeyman to frighten youngsters who might be tempted into dating Gentiles. And it gives them something to gossip about and feed their camaraderie of shared hardship.)

    By the 1970′s middle-class Americans had discarded their grandfathers’ notion that Jews were unclubbable, either because they were standoffish or too boisterous;[2] white lower-class Americans were strongly pro-Israel (a stance reinforced from the pulpit by Judaeophilic Evangelical preachers); and both the professions and the arts (both high and low, e.g., popular books and movies) were loaded with Jews who did not have to conceal their Jewishness from patrons. Yet Weiner suffers in his imagination as though he lived in Germany in 1938.

    Weiner also talks up the endearing notion that discrimination against Jews is bad because Jews are better than everyone else. From the interview (Weiner’s verbosity having been edited down several times):

    “Certainly the creative revolution had to do with what I would call a Jewish sense of humor being introduced… But there’s a lot of quintessential ad campaigns early on, where Jewish sensibility and Jewish writers, some of them female, started having an impact. And I think that by 1969, people are looking for Jewish creatives… At the beginning of the 1960s, you have someone having to go to the mailroom to find a Jewish employee and then all of a sudden, it’s okay, we want Jews. We want Jews in our ad agency.”

    But not in our country clubs?

    [1] Just like everyone else who is well-educated and successful, of course.

    [2] It’s not easy for the Orthodox to socialize with Gentiles; and let’s face it, the others are justly famed for verbosity (hence their outsized contribution to advertising copywriting, etc.). Actual Israelis are often so aggressive and arrogant that even Mr. Rogers would want to smack them– their culture isn’t just incompatible with American 20th-Century High WASP culture, it’s incompatible with any Northern European culture.

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    The era of rich Jews building their own clubs because they got blackballed at WASP clubs was just after the First Wold War, two generations before Weiner’s adolescence.

    The era of rich Jews building their own clubs traces back at least to the first "temple" or synagogue.
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  57. @Jack D

    Having grown up in a community with restricted country clubs and a lot of sophisticated anti-Semitism
     
    I suppose it depends on what the meaning of "grown up" is. When Weiner was born in 1964 or 65 (oddly there seems to be some question as to his birthday) restricted clubs still existed.

    From Wikipedia:

    [I]n 1962 twelve of the "leading country clubs" and eight of the "most prestigious city clubs" in the Greater Los Angeles area were open only to Christians, but in 1969 those figures had dropped to eleven and five. Six of the city and country clubs that discriminated in 1969 were listed in Los Angeles, five in Pasadena, two in Glendale and one each in La Habra, Long Beach and Upland.[8]
    In July 1969, there were no Jewish members in the California Club but "at least one Jew" in the Jonathan Club, yet the latter club hadn't "taken in any Jewish members for at least two decades," Neil C. Sandberg, regional director of the American Jewish Committee, told Jack Smith of the Los Angeles Times.[2]

    However, pressure on the clubs increased starting in the mid-70s :

    "By 1976 some businesses were deciding not to reimburse executives for the dues they paid to clubs that discriminated against minorities. Wells Fargo Bank banned meetings at discriminatory clubs in October 1975, and Bank of America was also one of the first, announcing moreover that it would not itself maintain such memberships, nor would it sponsor events anywhere "unless all business guests who should attend can attend." Mayor Tom Bradley's office announced that he would no longer attend meetings at either the Jonathan or the California clubs."

    Most of the clubs caved to that and started admitting at least token Jews around that time, so that by the time of Matthew's bar mitzvah, such discrimination was on its way out if not gone entirely.

    Yeah, but just try to imagine a gentile TV writer repeatedly bringing up with interviewers the smoldering resentment he felt as a tween at the fact that he couldn’t join the local Jewish country club.

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    The Jewish country clubs weren't as prestigious as the non-Jewish clubs and tended to have lesser golf courses. Why would he have wanted his family to join a Jewish club if they could have been accepted at a non-Jewish club?
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  58. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Top writers come up with expressions that would never occur to me. And even as a writing consumer, I sometimes cannot figure out what their creative expressions even mean. An example is the _Washington Post_ writer Lisa Lednicer, who in this article writes of "grasping for a gauzy version of the American Dream".

    Okay, "the American Dream" means becoming economically prosperous. But what would it mean to become prosperous in a "gauzy" way? Checking a dictionary, I find "gauzy = thin, light, and transparent, like gauze; diaphanous". Operationally, what would such gauzy prosperity look like?

    Could "gauzy" be a misprint for "gaudy"? A gaudy version of the American Dream would mean buying a big house, painting it in gaudy colors, and surrounding it with a high fence topped with big, pointy finials.

    Gauzy here means sentimental and vague. As in, her idea of the American Dream is a vague combination of the many middle class family sitcoms set in suburban houses.

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  59. @Jus' Sayin'...
    "The Goldbergs is a comedy-drama broadcast from 1929 to 1946 on American radio, and from 1949 to 1956 on American television. It was adapted into a 1948 play, Me and Molly; a 1950 film, The Goldbergs; and a 1973 Broadway musical, Molly." see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goldbergs_(broadcast_series)

    And to think that I grew up watching this tv show in the early 1950s without realizing that it was actually not about a "typical" Jewish family.

    Yes, I saw part of an episode of The Goldbergs from the late 1940s recently. It was about two elderly brothers with thick Yiddish accents. Very early TV shows tended to be super-Jewish. NBC gave Milton Berle a million dollar a year contract for 30 years that didn’t run out until 1981. NBC couldn’t imagine that the rest of the country wouldn’t find Berle as hilarious as New York, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, and Los Angeles had when the hinterlands got TV.

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    NBC couldn’t imagine that the rest of the country wouldn’t find Berle as hilarious as New York, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, and Los Angeles had when the hinterlands got TV.
     
    They got their revenge when Norman Lear axed Hee Haw.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Steve Sailer says:

    NBC gave Milton Berle a million dollar a year contract for 30 years that didn’t run out until 1981. NBC couldn’t imagine that the rest of the country wouldn’t find Berle as hilarious as New York, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, and Los Angeles had when the hinterlands got TV."

    Was Milton Berle an example of that sophisticated jewish humor that Weiner was talking about? Buddy Hackett? Mel Brooks?
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  60. Americans love a winner or Weiner?

    America is a place where a millionaire Weiner can destroy a billionaire Wasp winner.

    Weiner can go endlessly about evil Wasps, but what happens if a billionaire Wasp whispers one syllable about evil Jews?

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  61. @Mike Zwick
    " Chicago, along with New York, was the center of the nation’s advertising industry. " I think that this is forgotten sometimes. Chicago's Leo Burnett, another Jewish ad agency guy, came up with some of the most memorable ad campaigns of the 20th Century such as
    Jolly Green Giant [Green Giant]
    Tony The Tiger [Kellogg's Frosted Flakes]
    Hubert The Lion [Harris Bank]
    Charlie The Tuna [Star-Kist]
    Pillsbury Doughboy [Pillsbury]
    Keebler Elves [Keebler]
    Morris The Cat [9 Lives]
    Toucan Sam [Kellogg's Fruit Loops]
    Maytag Repairman [Maytag]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Burnett

    Leo Burnett came up with switching Marlboro from a women’s cigarette named after an English country estate to a cowboy cigarette. He was at least half Jewish (father Noble Israel Burnett).

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    So, Steve just so I'm clear, what was wrong with my comment in reply to Gabriel M. #29? Gabriel M. said:

    "Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans."

    I replied that "Jewish Americans and Israel are two aspects of the same problem" or words very close to that. I guess that you felt this was inappropriate, as that post (1 of 4 that I made) disappeared. The other three were posted.

    Could you elaborate on your disapproval of this post?

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  62. @Gabriel M
    "Of course, to have a Clan to defend, you also have to have a Not-Clan that you feel resentment against. "

    What is this, Slate magazine?

    "But grown-ups keep telling you that you can’t be at war all the time, that there are rules of truce. But, if you are a high testosterone male, like Moshe Dayan or Matthew Weiner, you can’t help but keep noticing how the Not-Clan is always violating the rules of fairness, how the Not-Tribe is always getting ready to attack."

    That crazy Moshe getting into his head that Arabs are belligerent. Where did he get that idea? From observing data and forming patterns? What a racist nut. If only he had listened to those adults who told him to calm down then he could have lived peacefully with the Arabs just like all those other non-Arab minorities in the region.

    Here's a hint. Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans. Parroting whatever you last read some neurotic Jewish American loon write on Mondoweiss makes about as much sense as, well, … actually I can't think of anything to be honest.

    Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans.

    Germans and White Americans fought each other twice in the last century in rather significant skirmishes; Israelis and Jewish Americans did nothing of the sort. White Americans don’t lobby for German interests even if at the expense of the US the way Jewish Americans do for Israelis. (And no, the Marshall Plan, which Germany benefitted from, does not compare). This is the problem with using others people’s weaknesses (imperfections, really) as a political weapon against them – not to mention punishing them for things they did not do: Eventually some of the targets will notice then start using your people’s weak points to retaliate against.

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    And no, the Marshall Plan, which Germany benefitted from, does not compare
     
    Germany "benefited from" the Marshall Plan just like Trisha Melli benefited from rape counseling.
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  63. @Wizbeg
    Comments on two topics.

    1. Regarding the Lucky Strike line "It's toasted" in the 60s: That is not a lame anachronistic invention of the TV show. It was indeed a tagline around that time as the show depicts. I remember it very well from my childhood (maybe it was in the late 50s), and I was fascinated by the apparent "re-creation" on the show of the origin of line. I did not know "It's toasted" had actually been used decades before, as the antique graphic demonstrates.

    2. Regarding the pain Jewish kids might have felt at Hanukkah time, having to explain to the surrounding school population why they weren't getting with the Christmas program: I remember in the second or third grade the teacher asked everyone to write an essay beginning "To me Christmas means...." Boy, that's an easy one, I innocently thought, and wrote just one sentence--"To me Christmas means nothing because I am not a Christian"--and handed it in. She said "Uhhh, ok, you can write 'To me Hanukkah means...'" It was a very mellow progressive school, and my situation resulted in just a micro-micro-aggression. However, I can imagine out there in the world a similar situation replicated thousands of times leading to anything from mild discomfiture to a pillorying or even a thrashing from jeering schoolmates. Triumph or trauma, doesn't it all fall into a bell-shaped curve?

    However, I can imagine out there in the world a similar situation replicated thousands of times leading to anything from mild discomfiture to a pillorying or even a thrashing from jeering schoolmates. Triumph or trauma, doesn’t it all fall into a bell-shaped curve?

    No.

    I can imagine Jews making matzah balls out of the blood of gentile infants. Do you feel compelled to treat such libelous fantasies as reality?

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  64. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizbeg
    Comments on two topics.

    1. Regarding the Lucky Strike line "It's toasted" in the 60s: That is not a lame anachronistic invention of the TV show. It was indeed a tagline around that time as the show depicts. I remember it very well from my childhood (maybe it was in the late 50s), and I was fascinated by the apparent "re-creation" on the show of the origin of line. I did not know "It's toasted" had actually been used decades before, as the antique graphic demonstrates.

    2. Regarding the pain Jewish kids might have felt at Hanukkah time, having to explain to the surrounding school population why they weren't getting with the Christmas program: I remember in the second or third grade the teacher asked everyone to write an essay beginning "To me Christmas means...." Boy, that's an easy one, I innocently thought, and wrote just one sentence--"To me Christmas means nothing because I am not a Christian"--and handed it in. She said "Uhhh, ok, you can write 'To me Hanukkah means...'" It was a very mellow progressive school, and my situation resulted in just a micro-micro-aggression. However, I can imagine out there in the world a similar situation replicated thousands of times leading to anything from mild discomfiture to a pillorying or even a thrashing from jeering schoolmates. Triumph or trauma, doesn't it all fall into a bell-shaped curve?

    Regarding the pain Jewish kids might have felt at Hanukkah time, having to explain to the surrounding school population why they weren’t getting with the Christmas program:

    Nothing stopping you from celebrating Christmas with your fellow countrymen, or even from embracing Christainity. Everyone else has. It is your choice to not get with the program.

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    "Nothing stopping you"--technically true, if you're only thinking about coercion from others. It's a free country. But here's a concept some find useful: faithfully following the religion of your fathers because you want to, not because you feel forced. And in that case, you might feel that your religion is the right one, and so not wish to follow some other religion. It must seem a little condescending, me talking down to you in this elementary way. Forgive me.

    "Everyone else has"????? If your're a visitor from Mars you might look around a bit more. I think you've missed a little of our diversity, which by the way goes way back. George Washington noted it in the famous letter to the Jews of Newport RI.
    , @Anonymous
    That's not quite true. I live in the South, and some of my colleagues are religious Christians. A few of these people insist to me that a Jew, no matter that I've explained I'm non-practicing, should not wish them Merry Christmas. The person who is most dogmatic about this is not only religious but also extremely politically liberal and politically correct. So there are sometimes impediments to celebrating Christmas with our fellow countrymen.
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  65. @Steve Sailer
    Yes, I saw part of an episode of The Goldbergs from the late 1940s recently. It was about two elderly brothers with thick Yiddish accents. Very early TV shows tended to be super-Jewish. NBC gave Milton Berle a million dollar a year contract for 30 years that didn't run out until 1981. NBC couldn't imagine that the rest of the country wouldn't find Berle as hilarious as New York, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, and Los Angeles had when the hinterlands got TV.

    NBC couldn’t imagine that the rest of the country wouldn’t find Berle as hilarious as New York, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, and Los Angeles had when the hinterlands got TV.

    They got their revenge when Norman Lear axed Hee Haw.

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  66. @Veracitor
    The resentment Weiner nurtures seems like such a hothouse flower. Only a small fraction of Americans, even Jewish Americans, belonged or applied to country clubs forty years ago or even now. Most Jewish Americans in middle-class neighborhoods (like their Gentile neighbors) had real problems to worry about, like forced busing in Pasadena. They encountered about as much anti-Semitism in daily life as their Roman Catholic neighbors encountered anti-Papism-- approximately none.

    (The era of rich Jews building their own clubs because they got blackballed at WASP clubs was just after the First Wold War, two generations before Weiner's adolescence.)

    Weiner doesn't deal very well with the Jewish-American conundrum, which is that the most political (mainly Conservative) American Jews want to be exactly like everyone else[1] only different. They want to join all the clubs, but they don't want to attend Friday night parties or Saturday morning golf tournaments. They say no one should notice that they're Jewish but they kvetch if the volunteer moms serve ham and cheese sandwiches to all the second-graders on the class trip to the La Brea Tar Pits.

    (Many Orthodox Jews welcome mild anti-Semitism despite pro-forma denunciations. They regard it as a form of acknowlegement, and as a useful bogeyman to frighten youngsters who might be tempted into dating Gentiles. And it gives them something to gossip about and feed their camaraderie of shared hardship.)

    By the 1970's middle-class Americans had discarded their grandfathers' notion that Jews were unclubbable, either because they were standoffish or too boisterous;[2] white lower-class Americans were strongly pro-Israel (a stance reinforced from the pulpit by Judaeophilic Evangelical preachers); and both the professions and the arts (both high and low, e.g., popular books and movies) were loaded with Jews who did not have to conceal their Jewishness from patrons. Yet Weiner suffers in his imagination as though he lived in Germany in 1938.

    Weiner also talks up the endearing notion that discrimination against Jews is bad because Jews are better than everyone else. From the interview (Weiner's verbosity having been edited down several times):

    "Certainly the creative revolution had to do with what I would call a Jewish sense of humor being introduced... But there’s a lot of quintessential ad campaigns early on, where Jewish sensibility and Jewish writers, some of them female, started having an impact. And I think that by 1969, people are looking for Jewish creatives... At the beginning of the 1960s, you have someone having to go to the mailroom to find a Jewish employee and then all of a sudden, it’s okay, we want Jews. We want Jews in our ad agency."

    But not in our country clubs?

    [1] Just like everyone else who is well-educated and successful, of course.

    [2] It's not easy for the Orthodox to socialize with Gentiles; and let's face it, the others are justly famed for verbosity (hence their outsized contribution to advertising copywriting, etc.). Actual Israelis are often so aggressive and arrogant that even Mr. Rogers would want to smack them-- their culture isn't just incompatible with American 20th-Century High WASP culture, it's incompatible with any Northern European culture.

    The era of rich Jews building their own clubs because they got blackballed at WASP clubs was just after the First Wold War, two generations before Weiner’s adolescence.

    The era of rich Jews building their own clubs traces back at least to the first “temple” or synagogue.

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  67. Weiner clearly has seriously unresolved issues.

    One of the show’s most striking aspects was how hostile it was towards Jewish characters. I don’t mean that the other characters were hostile to Jews (though the show did have that) — I mean the characters whose Jewishness was most prominent were usually portrayed in what I took to be a very hostile fashion. Was there a single openly Jewish character on the show who got a mostly positive portrayal? Heck, even the evil WASP guys got a better shake from Weiner and his writers. An unreconstructed antisemite could enjoy the show with nary a complaint.

    I used to think this was a deliberate choice on Weiner’s part; I thought he had some deeper point he was trying to make about the problems of excessive Jewish insularity, and how it could cause unnecessary friction with the wider culture. But now it seems clear he was completely oblivious to it, at least on a conscious level.

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  68. @Svigor

    It’s natural to assume that I must be making up all this stuff about country clubs because it sounds so nuts, but there it is, over and over again.
     
    When the formula is: "We WILL find some justification for fucking over our rivals," well, you take what you can get. If all you can find is hangnails and country clubs, well, hangnails and country clubs it is.

    It’s interesting that Weiner, who has become so immensely influential by ret-conning the past to suit current prejudices, uses “white” as meaning “gentile.”
     
    And while it doesn't work in a technical sense, Jews typically do the reverse, too; when they say "gentile," they usually mean "white gentiles."

    When the formula is: “We WILL find some justification for fucking over our rivals,” well, you take what you can get. If all you can find is hangnails and country clubs, well, hangnails and country clubs it is.

    This.

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  69. Trumpenprole [AKA "occam\'s butterknife"] says:

    Maybe the life long chip he has on his shoulder has more to do with having a terrible last name. If his name had been Bratwurst instead of Weiner he wouldn’t have suffered from so much taunting because a bratwurst, even though it is a wiener, isn’t a euphemism for penis.

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  70. In the mid 50′s my father worked for an oil co. in Venezuela . There were only a few other Americans there and none my age . I was in school with all Dutch and English kids with English staff. They wouldn’t let me join the Cub Scouts , the troop was “full” , one of the teachers stopped the class to announce how stupid I was to everyone (she may not have been wrong but still..) . Every morning before class we would play soccer in the school yard , one day I kicked a goal and the ball hit some Dutch kid , he said something rude about me as an American . I grabbed him in a headlock and threw him to the ground jumped on him and started pummeling him , an English kid jumped on my back and started on me . The teacher pulled me out of the pile and dragged me to the office to be disciplined leaving the other two on the playground . They didn’t like Americans it seemed , so what ? I’m not carrying a grudge against them 50 some years later , some of them were nice to me , the little girls seemed to like me and when my home room teacher read us stories we would sit on the floor at her feet which provided an unobstructed view of her magnificent bush . The local kids around the building where we lived were all my friends and looked out for me . I loved it there . If little Matthew wants to spend his life gnawing on the flavorless bone of his resentments let him .

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    "...we would sit on the floor at her feet which provided an unobstructed view of her magnificent bush."

    Speaking of splendorous shrubbery, the infantilization of America seems to have included getting rid of all the pubic hair.
    , @Oscar Peterson
    "If little Matthew wants to spend his life gnawing on the flavorless bone of his resentments let him."

    No, his "gnawing" takes the form of a Jewish Kulturkampf and has ramifications. Can't simply be ignored.
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  71. @Anon
    Is this about privilege or about the look?

    Is it about then or is it about now?

    Today, there is no more exclusion. If anything, red carpets are rolled out for Jews everywhere.
    But people like Anthony Weiner(NY congressman) still look like Anthony Weiner than the cool Wasps in Madmen.

    So, no matter how far Jews get inside, they are aesthetically on the outside.

    If Wasps all looked like short ugly people and if Wasp women looked ugly as hell, would Jews have wanted in? It wasn't only about privilege. It was about attraction. Jews hate what they love because it isn't natural to them. So, even when Jews are on the inside and Wasps are on the outside, Jews still feel like outsiders because, even inside the palace, they look like outsiders, whereas Wasps, even as outsiders, still look like insiders.

    Jealous Jewish Ego tells Jewish men to smash all beautiful idols.
    But in Madmen, Weiner makes love to them before smashing them.

    And in time, he will reconstruct the idols and make love to them before smashing them all over again.

    A pathology. Jews hate Nazis but love the 'Nazi look'.

    “A pathology. Jews hate Nazis but love the ‘Nazi look’.”

    What Jew doesn’t wish he looked like, say, Joseph Goebbels?

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    Lol.

    Most Nazis didn't have the 'Nazi look'.
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  72. I gather from this bloviating essay that Steve is still MAF at Matthew Weiner, and still isn’t a particularly incisive or interesting writer once he gets beyond about 200 words.

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    , @ross
    As your tone reveals, the only one MAF here is you. You'd kill to have one hundredth of Steve's readership. But there's still time to make that big intellectual splash, Brian, don't give up hope. Turn off the TV, set down the bottle, and get moving. The clock is ticking, tick-tick-tick-tick-tick...
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  73. By the way, Steve, are you aware of how you come across in interviews? I’ve heard Weiner speak, he’s a hell of a lot more articulate than you. Most of what you gripe about here makes you sound petty.

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    You seem kind of angry. Are you actually Matthew Weiner whining about Steve's excellent piece?
    , @Anonymous
    "Most of what you gripe about here makes you sound petty"

    You would know.

    Udolpho: strictly a negative thinker -- when he's not plagiarizing from Jews such as Gottfried (on managerialism) and Haidt (on moral sentiment.)
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  74. But there’s a lot of quintessential ad campaigns early on, where Jewish sensibility and Jewish writers, some of them female, started having an impact. And I think that by 1969, people are looking for Jewish creatives.

    Right, because no one had ever heard of Sigmund Freud’s double nephew’s Torches of Freedom in 1929. And everything else Edward Bernays did was completed unnoticed and uncompensated. And Walter Lippmann never had any influence.

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    To some Jews, someone like Lippman is really non-Jewish. It has to do with a German vs. Polish & Russian divide.
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  75. @Dave Pinsen
    "A pathology. Jews hate Nazis but love the ‘Nazi look’."

    What Jew doesn't wish he looked like, say, Joseph Goebbels?

    Lol.

    Most Nazis didn’t have the ‘Nazi look’.

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  76. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe this is the only way Weiner can justify his Waspophilia.

    Renaissance artists justified their love of pagan art by making it serve anti-pagan Judeo-Christo themes. That way, paganism could be indulged in but officially as ‘anti-paganism’.

    Likewise, Madmen seems to indulge in Waspophilia but officially pretends to be a moral lesson about ‘the evil of privilege’. Right, show how evil privilege is by glamorizing it for 7 seasons.

    But then gangster movies pretend to be morality tales than fantasies of power and money.

    And DeMille movies pretended to be about spirituality than fantasies of Babylon.

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    That's probably the best summation I've ever seen of "Mad Men's" appeal. It's all white WASP porn, but it stirs in some "sophisticated" PC-Leftist critique so that everybody can pretend they're "really" looking down their noses at that awful world of White Male Power.

    "Mad Men" was just a highbrow version of those rappers who claim their "real" goal is to criticize the ghetto lifestyle...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1WFA0liN1o
    , @Oscar Peterson

    "Maybe this is the only way Weiner can justify his Waspophilia."
     
    What "waspophilia" are you talking about? Or were you being sarcastic?
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  77. @Svigor

    It’s natural to assume that I must be making up all this stuff about country clubs because it sounds so nuts, but there it is, over and over again.
     
    When the formula is: "We WILL find some justification for fucking over our rivals," well, you take what you can get. If all you can find is hangnails and country clubs, well, hangnails and country clubs it is.

    It’s interesting that Weiner, who has become so immensely influential by ret-conning the past to suit current prejudices, uses “white” as meaning “gentile.”
     
    And while it doesn't work in a technical sense, Jews typically do the reverse, too; when they say "gentile," they usually mean "white gentiles."

    It’s interesting that Weiner, who has become so immensely influential by ret-conning the past to suit current prejudices, uses “white” as meaning “gentile.”

    Yet we have it on good authority from another commenter that only “wacko white nationalists” say that Jews aren’t White.

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  78. @donut
    In the mid 50's my father worked for an oil co. in Venezuela . There were only a few other Americans there and none my age . I was in school with all Dutch and English kids with English staff. They wouldn't let me join the Cub Scouts , the troop was "full" , one of the teachers stopped the class to announce how stupid I was to everyone (she may not have been wrong but still..) . Every morning before class we would play soccer in the school yard , one day I kicked a goal and the ball hit some Dutch kid , he said something rude about me as an American . I grabbed him in a headlock and threw him to the ground jumped on him and started pummeling him , an English kid jumped on my back and started on me . The teacher pulled me out of the pile and dragged me to the office to be disciplined leaving the other two on the playground . They didn't like Americans it seemed , so what ? I'm not carrying a grudge against them 50 some years later , some of them were nice to me , the little girls seemed to like me and when my home room teacher read us stories we would sit on the floor at her feet which provided an unobstructed view of her magnificent bush . The local kids around the building where we lived were all my friends and looked out for me . I loved it there . If little Matthew wants to spend his life gnawing on the flavorless bone of his resentments let him .

    “…we would sit on the floor at her feet which provided an unobstructed view of her magnificent bush.”

    Speaking of splendorous shrubbery, the infantilization of America seems to have included getting rid of all the pubic hair.

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  79. @Lackawanna
    The other way to fight this is to point out that certain industries, especially Hollywood, are Jewish ethnic cartels where gentile are discriminated against so as to keep the upper management in overwhelmingly Jewish hands.

    Remember those sociology studies in which job applicants named "Britney" got more call backs than ones named "LaShawnda?" I always wanted to do an experiment like that with Jewish and gentile names in Hollywood or at publishing houses or certain banks.

    Remember those sociology studies in which job applicants named “Britney” got more call backs than ones named “LaShawnda?” I always wanted to do an experiment like that with Jewish and gentile names in Hollywood or at publishing houses or certain banks.

    Someone did it in 1989. His report on Usenet:

    This inspired a telling experiment that I did in late 1989. I sent 200 copies of a letter seeking any entry level opportunity, but used two different pseudonyms – one blatantly gentile on 100 copies and one blatantly jewish on the other 100 copies of the letter. Without revealing the actual names used, let’s say they were “Christian Liam O’Grady” and “Brent Irving Friedman”. Well, many offers of entry level opportunities started coming in under the jewish name, and ONLY under the jewish name. There were more than 20 positive responses.

    One major production company sent two scripts to see how I would cover them, to see if they could use me as a reader. A schlock company was ready to hire me as an assistent. Was I interested in pursuing television animation writing at Disney Television Animation? Two major name persons didn’t offer opportunities but did sent notes of encouragement. And one of these persons, a female, surely must rank among Hollywood’s fifty biggest names! I was stunned at the positive response! But the other 100 letters, identical except the gentile signature, generated not a single positive response! I’ve been holding onto my response letters, and initially I investigated the possibility of self-publishing a small book or pamphlet chronicling the experiment, and once researched self publishing in the downtown L.A. library in the early Nineties. But then along came the web, which is cheaper and has a larger potential audience.

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    Do you have a link to more info on this?
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  80. @Gabriel M
    "Of course, to have a Clan to defend, you also have to have a Not-Clan that you feel resentment against. "

    What is this, Slate magazine?

    "But grown-ups keep telling you that you can’t be at war all the time, that there are rules of truce. But, if you are a high testosterone male, like Moshe Dayan or Matthew Weiner, you can’t help but keep noticing how the Not-Clan is always violating the rules of fairness, how the Not-Tribe is always getting ready to attack."

    That crazy Moshe getting into his head that Arabs are belligerent. Where did he get that idea? From observing data and forming patterns? What a racist nut. If only he had listened to those adults who told him to calm down then he could have lived peacefully with the Arabs just like all those other non-Arab minorities in the region.

    Here's a hint. Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans. Parroting whatever you last read some neurotic Jewish American loon write on Mondoweiss makes about as much sense as, well, … actually I can't think of anything to be honest.

    “That crazy Moshe getting into his head that Arabs are belligerent.” – The not-clan referenced isn’t arabs, which is why arab immigration into America is supported.

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  81. MORRIS LASKER (1840–1916), who was born in Prussia, immigrated to the U.S. in 1856. After settling in Texas in 1860, he participated in a number of Indian campaigns and fought in the Civil War with the Confederacy. After the war Lasker moved to Galveston, where he became a prominent merchant, real estate and livestock dealer, and banker. He was elected to the Texas state senate in 1895. His brother Eduard *Lasker (1829–1884) was a prominent German politician and author.

    Gosh, fought for the Confederacy and against the Amerinds…….And yet Jews like to believe that they were not given “White Privilege”

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  82. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Gabriel M
    "Of course, to have a Clan to defend, you also have to have a Not-Clan that you feel resentment against. "

    What is this, Slate magazine?

    "But grown-ups keep telling you that you can’t be at war all the time, that there are rules of truce. But, if you are a high testosterone male, like Moshe Dayan or Matthew Weiner, you can’t help but keep noticing how the Not-Clan is always violating the rules of fairness, how the Not-Tribe is always getting ready to attack."

    That crazy Moshe getting into his head that Arabs are belligerent. Where did he get that idea? From observing data and forming patterns? What a racist nut. If only he had listened to those adults who told him to calm down then he could have lived peacefully with the Arabs just like all those other non-Arab minorities in the region.

    Here's a hint. Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans. Parroting whatever you last read some neurotic Jewish American loon write on Mondoweiss makes about as much sense as, well, … actually I can't think of anything to be honest.

    “Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans.”

    I’m not sure what you’re alluding to. Most Americans of a conservative bent do not take anything out on Israel. They largely support her. The 2nd half of your statement made me laugh out loud. Having spent lots of time around Jewish people, you don’t know how many times they’ve explicitly or implicitly suggested that I was no different than the worst NAZI because I am a Christian. This, despite the fact that my ancestors landed at Omaha and beat back the German hordes. If I called attention to that, they’d shrug and say they didn’t care or it didn’t mean anything.

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  83. Some more info on Morris Lasker:

    LASKER, MORRIS (1840–1916). Morris Lasker, investor and banker, son of Daniel and Rebecca Lasker, was born in 1840 in Lask, then Polish Prussia, where his brother Eduard became a celebrated politician and author. Morris immigrated to the United States at age sixteen. He arrived by boat in Norfolk, Virginia, and took a job as a store clerk in Portsmouth, hoping to save enough money to start his own business. After several unproductive ventures in New York, Georgia, and Florida, he bought a horse, became a peddler, and worked his way to Texas. He first settled in Weatherford, where he got a job as a store clerk in early 1860. He subsequently joined Col. George W. Baylor to fight the Apache Indians and fought for the Confederate Army under Col. John S. (Rip) Fordqv. After the war he returned to Texas to work as a peddler again. He joined Sanger Brothers and in 1867 operated his own store, before he became associated with M. Schram in the jobbing business in Galveston. Lasker sold his interest in Schram and Lasker to start his own business in Bryan, where he stayed for two years before returning to Galveston in 1872. He became a partner in Marx and Kempner before joining the LeGierse Company, wholesale grocers. He sold his interest in that business in 1890. Lasker married Nettie Davis of New York in 1876, and they had eight children.

    Lasker established the Lasker Real Estate Company in 1890 but lost everything in the 1893 depression. He sent his family to Germany and began rebuilding his assets. He acquired interests in different banking firms; he founded the Citizens Loan Company and the Island City Savings Bank and served as president of both. For eighteen years he was vice president and chairman of the finance committee of the First National Bank. When Miles Crowley resigned, Lasker was elected to the Texas Senate in 1895 to serve the remainder of his term. Around 1906 he purchased the Texas Star Flour Mill, which he expanded to include properties in Wichita Falls and Waco. He also had interests in the cotton business and served as president of the Galveston Cotton Exchange. He served as a member of Galveston’s Board of School Trustees and contributed heavily to Jewish and other charities. He died in Galveston in 1916.

    BIBLIOGRAPHY:
    John Gunther, Taken at the Flood: The Story of Albert D. Lasker (New York: Harper, 1960). Natalie Ornish, Pioneer Jewish Texans (Dallas: Texas Heritage, 1989). Thomas Clarence Richardson, East Texas: Its History and Its Makers (4 vols., New York: Lewis Historical Publishing, 1940).

    https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fla43

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  84. @Sean

    You have to admire the tenacity with which Weiner seizes upon scraps of evidence to suggest that Jews in Los Angeles during his youth were victimized outsiders rather than the top dogs in the most glamorous industry in the world. It’s like how Michael Jordan, the most popular athlete in the world, used to psyche himself up before big games in the 1990s by obsessing over one sentence somebody somewhere had said about him that wasn’t wholly fawning. Whatever works.
     
    Maybe at one time people thought Jewish people were not good at getting inside gentiles' heads, or blacks did not make good basketball players.

    Some things the best at them in the world are going to be of a certain ethnicity, because of the historical selection they have been subjected to . So for a while there is resistance There was real WASP resistance in the social sphere with people being turned away from hotels. But that more or less ended before WW1 (1907 Atlantic City hotel apologizes to Bertha Rayner Frank for anti-Jewish discrimination (Her brother was the first Jewish senator (Maryland). Her niece financially supported the research of JB Watson , who used her as the subject of his experiments in ******** arousal. Watson the behaviourist and antiracist who advised advertising companies in the 1920's, had some sick ideas about infants.)

    Anyway, after a while other peoples realise that it is a waste of time and they can't win at certain things (politics, mass culture, advertising, quantum physics...) so they don't bother trying. The Weiners of this world are like other successful people. No one likes to think the main reason they are winners is they were given a genetic royal flush.

    Some things the best at them in the world are going to be of a certain ethnicity, because of the historical selection they have been subjected to . So for a while there is resistance There was real WASP resistance in the social sphere with people being turned away from hotels. But that more or less ended before WW1 (1907 Atlantic City hotel apologizes to Bertha Rayner Frank for anti-Jewish discrimination (Her brother was the first Jewish senator (Maryland).

    David Yulee (D-Florida) joined the Senate in 1845. His second cousin Judah Benjamin (W-Louisian) joined the Senate in 1853. Benjamin Jonas (D-Louisiana) and Joseph Simon (R-Ore.) also preceded Isidor Rayner into the Senate.

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    Until the turn of the 20th century, United States senators were elected by state legislatures. Based on the recommendation of the Dillingham Commission, the Seventeenth Amendment to the constitution was proposed, and eventually ratified in 1913, bringing about direct election of senators by popular vote. This benefited the Jews because no state legislature had ever elected a Jewish senator, but with a popular vote rather than one dependent upon bargaining and politicking in state legislatures, the first Jewish senator, Isidor Rayner, an immigrant from Lodz, Poland, was elected from the state of Maryland in 1914
     
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  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ozymandias
    OT:
    Steve, do you never consider how much time you would gain by allowing someone else to moderate the comments?

    Yeah, Steve, I have many friends who are good moderators and there are quite a few who will edit your site for free!

    We will need full editorial control but in exchange you get much more time for your golf game.

    Steve, do you never consider how much time you would gain by allowing someone else to moderate the comments?

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  86. So Lasker was “indignant” about the “prejudice against women” not smoking? I guess I figured he had a major cigarette company account and was brainstorming how to get women smoking to make more money for his client and himself.

    And here I thought Edward Bernays was the first fighter for women’s liberation with his famous “Torches of Freedom” ad campaign when he paid a bunch of young women to march in the 1929 Easter Parade with their cigarettes held aloft. It made for great ad copy. Women’s Liberation at its finest!

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  87. More info on Texas Jews:

    A handful of Jewish immigrants, who saw tremendous economic potential in the burgeoning port city, were among the earliest settler in Galveston. Joseph Osterman, a Dutch native, moved to Galveston from Baltimore in 1838 after a doctor recommended a warmer climate for his wife Rosanna, who had a heart condition. Osterman became one of the first merchants to set up shop in the new town, and quickly amassed a significant fortune through the cotton trade. His wife Rosanna had a strong business acumen and helped him run the store. After only a few years, Osterman sold his store, then the largest in town, to his brother-in-law Isadore Dyer, and focused on real estate ventures. By 1860, Osterman was worth $191,000. When the city government had trouble paying its debts in its early years, Osterman would often lend it money.

    These early Jews were closely involved in civic affairs. Michael Seeligson, who also came to Galveston in 1838, quickly became a town alderman and was elected mayor in 1853. In a letter to the national Jewish newspaper, the Occident, Seeligson explained that he ran for mayor to “thwart the designs of certain clique” who had been speaking out publicly against Jews. Seeligson’s comments indicate that while there was a degree of anti-Semitism in Galveston during these early years, the town’s Jews were willing and able to confront and defeat it. Seeligson was not the only officeholder among these early Jewish settlers. Isadore Dyer served as an alderman in the 1850s, 60s, and 70s.

    Gosh, the anti-Semitism was so great that he had to serve as Mayor of Galveston….

    After the Civil War, business as usual was restored in Galveston and a growing number of Jews from Alsace, Germany, and Poland came to the port city to seek their fortune. By 1868, an estimated 125 Jews lived on the island. Leon Blum left Alsace in 1852 and spent the first 18 months in the U.S. as a traveling peddler in rural Louisiana. He came to Galveston with his older brother Alexander in 1859, but fled the city after the start of the war, moving their business to Houston and later Matamoros, Mexico. Right after the war, the Blums returned to Galveston and opened a wholesale dry goods house, which became a quick success. In 1870, the firm did over $1 million in business; that same year the Leon & H. Blum Company opened a huge new building on the downtown Strand. By 1883, Leon Blum’s wholesale business was one of the leading wholesale houses in the South, employing 200 people. Blum became one of Galveston’s business titans. A member of the Cotton Exchange, Blum led the effort to construct a grand building for the organization. He worked to improve the city’s port and its rail links to the Texas interior, helping to found the Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe Railroad. Blum also established the People’s Street Railway, a public transportation system that was later absorbed by the city.

    Blum was just one of a number of prominent Jewish business magnates who helped to make Galveston the economic and cultural center of the southwest in the late 19th century. Moritz Kopperl came to Galveston in 1857, but especially thrived in the post-war period, establishing a successful cotton commission and coffee importation business. In 1868, Kopperl became president of the National Bank of Texas; nine years later he was president of the Gulf, Colorado, and Santa Fe Railroad. Following the pattern set by the earliest Jewish settlers in Galveston, Kopperl became an important civic leader, serving as a city alderman before being elected to the state legislature in 1876. He was also very philanthropic, supporting the local Protestant Orphans Home, which named the Kopperl Infirmary in his honor.

    http://www.isjl.org/texas-galveston-encyclopedia.html

    From HAARETZ:

    Morris Lasker was born on February 19, 1840 to Daniel and Rebecca Lasker, in Lask, Prussia, today Poland. His older brother Eduard Lasker was a prominent politician who worked for German unification and was integral to the codification of German law, before breaking with Bismarck.

    Big bro sounds like quite the bigshot

    It was at his father’s urging that Albert Lasker entered advertising. In 1898, he bought an agency in Chicago, Lord & Thomson; when he dissolved it in 1942, it was the world’s largest advertising firm.

    Yeah, Jews had it really bad in advertising before the ’60s. Sure, it was the world’s biggest advertising agency, but it was in Chicago….So, it totally doesn’t count.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/this-day-in-jewish-history/this-day-in-jewish-history-prussian-born-texas-businessman-and-philanthropist-dies.premium-1.506306

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  88. Come to think about it, the Lasker/Bernays smoking campaigns were brilliant and set the stage for others trends almost half a century later.

    The problem Lasker/Bernays faced was that women smoking on the street was considered whorish behavior.

    So the only way to get women to smoke (i.e. act like whores) was to somehow equate the whorishness of smoking with women’s liberation. Sort of like the way promiscuity in general was mainstreamed by the 1960s Free Sex movement and 1990s “hookup” culture, etc.

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    Come to think about it, the Lasker/Bernays smoking campaigns were brilliant and set the stage for others trends almost half a century later.

    The problem Lasker/Bernays faced was that women smoking on the street was considered whorish behavior.

    So the only way to get women to smoke (i.e. act like whores) was to somehow equate the whorishness of smoking with women’s liberation.
     
    The tradition that well-bred Southern women must not smoke standing up continued into the 1990's, at least.
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  89. @Anonymous
    Regarding the pain Jewish kids might have felt at Hanukkah time, having to explain to the surrounding school population why they weren’t getting with the Christmas program:

    Nothing stopping you from celebrating Christmas with your fellow countrymen, or even from embracing Christainity. Everyone else has. It is your choice to not get with the program.

    “Nothing stopping you”–technically true, if you’re only thinking about coercion from others. It’s a free country. But here’s a concept some find useful: faithfully following the religion of your fathers because you want to, not because you feel forced. And in that case, you might feel that your religion is the right one, and so not wish to follow some other religion. It must seem a little condescending, me talking down to you in this elementary way. Forgive me.

    “Everyone else has”????? If your’re a visitor from Mars you might look around a bit more. I think you’ve missed a little of our diversity, which by the way goes way back. George Washington noted it in the famous letter to the Jews of Newport RI.

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    But here’s a concept some find useful: faithfully following the religion of your fathers because you want to, not because you feel forced.

    Seems the only significant coercion here would have come from your parents.

    Here's a novel concept: faithfully join the identity of the community you demand privileges from.

    And yes, everyone else has embraced Christianity, including the Founding Fathers. No reason why you shouldn't either. You are claiming special privileges.

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  90. @Steve Sailer
    Yes, I saw part of an episode of The Goldbergs from the late 1940s recently. It was about two elderly brothers with thick Yiddish accents. Very early TV shows tended to be super-Jewish. NBC gave Milton Berle a million dollar a year contract for 30 years that didn't run out until 1981. NBC couldn't imagine that the rest of the country wouldn't find Berle as hilarious as New York, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, and Los Angeles had when the hinterlands got TV.

    “Steve Sailer says:

    NBC gave Milton Berle a million dollar a year contract for 30 years that didn’t run out until 1981. NBC couldn’t imagine that the rest of the country wouldn’t find Berle as hilarious as New York, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, and Los Angeles had when the hinterlands got TV.”

    Was Milton Berle an example of that sophisticated jewish humor that Weiner was talking about? Buddy Hackett? Mel Brooks?

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    Jerry Lewis.
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  91. @ben tillman

    Remember those sociology studies in which job applicants named “Britney” got more call backs than ones named “LaShawnda?” I always wanted to do an experiment like that with Jewish and gentile names in Hollywood or at publishing houses or certain banks.
     
    Someone did it in 1989. His report on Usenet:

    This inspired a telling experiment that I did in late 1989. I sent 200 copies of a letter seeking any entry level opportunity, but used two different pseudonyms - one blatantly gentile on 100 copies and one blatantly jewish on the other 100 copies of the letter. Without revealing the actual names used, let's say they were "Christian Liam O'Grady" and "Brent Irving Friedman". Well, many offers of entry level opportunities started coming in under the jewish name, and ONLY under the jewish name. There were more than 20 positive responses.

    One major production company sent two scripts to see how I would cover them, to see if they could use me as a reader. A schlock company was ready to hire me as an assistent. Was I interested in pursuing television animation writing at Disney Television Animation? Two major name persons didn't offer opportunities but did sent notes of encouragement. And one of these persons, a female, surely must rank among Hollywood's fifty biggest names! I was stunned at the positive response! But the other 100 letters, identical except the gentile signature, generated not a single positive response! I've been holding onto my response letters, and initially I investigated the possibility of self-publishing a small book or pamphlet chronicling the experiment, and once researched self publishing in the downtown L.A. library in the early Nineties. But then along came the web, which is cheaper and has a larger potential audience.
     

    Do you have a link to more info on this?

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  92. @Mr. Anon
    "Steve Sailer says:

    NBC gave Milton Berle a million dollar a year contract for 30 years that didn’t run out until 1981. NBC couldn’t imagine that the rest of the country wouldn’t find Berle as hilarious as New York, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, and Los Angeles had when the hinterlands got TV."

    Was Milton Berle an example of that sophisticated jewish humor that Weiner was talking about? Buddy Hackett? Mel Brooks?

    Jerry Lewis.

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  93. @Anon
    Maybe this is the only way Weiner can justify his Waspophilia.

    Renaissance artists justified their love of pagan art by making it serve anti-pagan Judeo-Christo themes. That way, paganism could be indulged in but officially as 'anti-paganism'.

    Likewise, Madmen seems to indulge in Waspophilia but officially pretends to be a moral lesson about 'the evil of privilege'. Right, show how evil privilege is by glamorizing it for 7 seasons.

    But then gangster movies pretend to be morality tales than fantasies of power and money.

    And DeMille movies pretended to be about spirituality than fantasies of Babylon.

    That’s probably the best summation I’ve ever seen of “Mad Men’s” appeal. It’s all white WASP porn, but it stirs in some “sophisticated” PC-Leftist critique so that everybody can pretend they’re “really” looking down their noses at that awful world of White Male Power.

    “Mad Men” was just a highbrow version of those rappers who claim their “real” goal is to criticize the ghetto lifestyle…

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    'Far From Heaven' works more or less the same way.

    It is 50s culture porn when men dressed like men and women dressed like women... before 60s when things became increasingly casual, grubby, and gross.

    It was also the last decade when blacks didn't act so scary and could be the objects of fawning white sympathy.

    It panders to nostalgia but is sold as subversive critique.

    And the Brits have Downton Abbey.

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  94. @Mike Zwick
    " Chicago, along with New York, was the center of the nation’s advertising industry. " I think that this is forgotten sometimes. Chicago's Leo Burnett, another Jewish ad agency guy, came up with some of the most memorable ad campaigns of the 20th Century such as
    Jolly Green Giant [Green Giant]
    Tony The Tiger [Kellogg's Frosted Flakes]
    Hubert The Lion [Harris Bank]
    Charlie The Tuna [Star-Kist]
    Pillsbury Doughboy [Pillsbury]
    Keebler Elves [Keebler]
    Morris The Cat [9 Lives]
    Toucan Sam [Kellogg's Fruit Loops]
    Maytag Repairman [Maytag]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Burnett

    There were a couple of cultural phenomena in the 50′s that embodied a Jewish sensibility and also contributed substantially to the glamour of Americanism that, to me, anyway, attaches to the era. One is Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone. Nearly every episode taught a wholesome lesson of self respect and respect for others, and mental independence and resistance to the group-think that leads to mob rule. I don’t think this topic could have held such resonance for Serling had he not been a Jew (albeit converted to Unitarian-Universalism). The other is Mad Magazine. Much of its energies in the ’50 were devoted to mocking the crassness of advertising and the whole mass consumer culture. If there was conformism back then, it was the foil that allowed the daring iconoclasm and ‘hipness’ of the magazine to shine the brighter. Mad didn’t become preachy and didactic until the ’60′s — 1963 maybe, that watershed year. Oh, and we mustn’t forget Superman – “truth, justice, and the American way” – we really believed it back then – who could doubt the man of steel. In this forum, where vibrations of a negative sort may be floating about, I’m proud to express gratitude to Jews who made me a better person.

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    Serling also idealized small town life, and in the bios I've read about him, had no nasty memories about it and regretted that America was losing that sort of lifestyle. Only towards the end of the series did the TZ get annoyingly preachy, and the shows suffered as a result. One of the worst was a sermon on race relations. You didn't need that sort of blatant PC finger wagging on TZ. The sheer eeriness of it, as universal as it was personal, was all you needed to get a point across. His suicide was very sad.
    , @MRW

    Oh, and we mustn’t forget Superman – “truth, justice, and the American way”
     
    Superman didn't start out that way.

    The first Superman character created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster was not a hero, but a villain. Their short story "The Reign of the Superman" concerned a bald-headed villain bent on dominating the world. The story did not sell, forcing the two to reposition their character on the right side of the law. [http://www.supermansupersite.com/sup.html]
     
    Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster had to adopt “truth, justice, and the American way” to sell their character to the American people. It wasn't their first impulse. The public demanded it.
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  95. What’s this, you say that Jews are heavily involved in an industry that rewards aggressive self-promotion? Inconceivable!

    Meanwhile, in the 19th century, a family of unlicensed Jewish dentists in London invented spam advertising (by telegraph)….

    http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/3711-spam-was-invented-in-1864-by/

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  96. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Blank
    That's probably the best summation I've ever seen of "Mad Men's" appeal. It's all white WASP porn, but it stirs in some "sophisticated" PC-Leftist critique so that everybody can pretend they're "really" looking down their noses at that awful world of White Male Power.

    "Mad Men" was just a highbrow version of those rappers who claim their "real" goal is to criticize the ghetto lifestyle...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1WFA0liN1o

    ‘Far From Heaven’ works more or less the same way.

    It is 50s culture porn when men dressed like men and women dressed like women… before 60s when things became increasingly casual, grubby, and gross.

    It was also the last decade when blacks didn’t act so scary and could be the objects of fawning white sympathy.

    It panders to nostalgia but is sold as subversive critique.

    And the Brits have Downton Abbey.

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    See also: Born in the USA, a rock song with a patriotic, anthemic theme but subversive, anti-American lyrics. Springsteen wanted to and was able to have it both ways.
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  97. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizbeg
    "Nothing stopping you"--technically true, if you're only thinking about coercion from others. It's a free country. But here's a concept some find useful: faithfully following the religion of your fathers because you want to, not because you feel forced. And in that case, you might feel that your religion is the right one, and so not wish to follow some other religion. It must seem a little condescending, me talking down to you in this elementary way. Forgive me.

    "Everyone else has"????? If your're a visitor from Mars you might look around a bit more. I think you've missed a little of our diversity, which by the way goes way back. George Washington noted it in the famous letter to the Jews of Newport RI.

    But here’s a concept some find useful: faithfully following the religion of your fathers because you want to, not because you feel forced.

    Seems the only significant coercion here would have come from your parents.

    Here’s a novel concept: faithfully join the identity of the community you demand privileges from.

    And yes, everyone else has embraced Christianity, including the Founding Fathers. No reason why you shouldn’t either. You are claiming special privileges.

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    OK, you want to sticking with "everyone embraced Christianity." Possibly the letter from George Washington to the synagogue was a forgery. When you develop an interest in facts, let us know.
    , @PB and J
    You're being so obnoxious about this that one could conceivably view you as a non-Christian trying to stir the pot.

    If you hadn't noticed, there's plenty of commenters on this site who are of partial or full Jewish heritage. Only a couple have shown an attitude comparable to Weiner. Most of them are erudite and raise the level of discourse on this blog. You're only making yourself look bad by comparison.

    Anyway, the idea that Jewish Americans are "claiming special privileges" by not converting to Christianity (which sect, by the way? Does LDS count?) is asinine. I doubt you would say the same to Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Sikh, Scientologist, or atheist Americans (among others). Wizbeg cited the letter from George Washington to make a point about the historic nature of religious pluralism in the US.

    If you're hopping mad because of Israel's special privileges and/or anti-gentile prejudice, trying to instate an American Inquisition is... moronic doesn't seem a strong enough term.
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  98. @Anon
    'Far From Heaven' works more or less the same way.

    It is 50s culture porn when men dressed like men and women dressed like women... before 60s when things became increasingly casual, grubby, and gross.

    It was also the last decade when blacks didn't act so scary and could be the objects of fawning white sympathy.

    It panders to nostalgia but is sold as subversive critique.

    And the Brits have Downton Abbey.

    See also: Born in the USA, a rock song with a patriotic, anthemic theme but subversive, anti-American lyrics. Springsteen wanted to and was able to have it both ways.

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    Having it both ways isn't necessarily a bad thing in art.
    , @Mr. Blank
    No kidding! Glad I'm not the only one who's been irritated all these years by Springsteen and his fanboys whining that "Born in the U.S.A." was being misinterpreted. There is NO WAY a guy who came from Springsteen's background could have failed to understand how the song's soaring chorus would be received by a bunch of yokels hearing it on the car radio.

    I probably first heard the "but it's REALLY anti-American!" line back when I was in elementary school, and even then it smelled like bullshit, though at the time I couldn't have put it into words.

    At the time I wasn't cynical enough to understand that an artist might actually WANT to have it both ways. :)
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  99. @Anon
    And in this mission, Weiner failed. People who casually watched Mad Men looked past the in-your-face preachiness. Mad Men caught on because childless attention whores in their late 30s loved to fantasize about a period in which they would have been treated as a woman rather than a swipe-right/swipe-left NSA fuck toy. They wrote fan fiction about Peggy and her "marry Stan, fuck Don" conundrum. They could have cared less about the WASP/Jewish thing Weiner is trying to inject into his faded show.

    That’s funny. I count myself as a fan of the show, and I always thought a big part of the appeal was seeing a world where you could drink and smoke in the office. I haven’t smoked in years, but it all seemed like so much fun.

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  100. @Anon
    See also: Born in the USA, a rock song with a patriotic, anthemic theme but subversive, anti-American lyrics. Springsteen wanted to and was able to have it both ways.

    Having it both ways isn’t necessarily a bad thing in art.

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    Having it both ways isn’t necessarily a bad thing in art.
     
    Yeah.Frankly, I'm just glad that Mad Men ended up being quite a bit better than the ethnic animus agitprop show that Weiner's been describing in his interviews.That show would have been unwatchable.
    , @Anon
    "Having it both ways isn’t necessarily a bad thing in art."

    It depends.

    Art that sees both sides of the issue is different from art that panders to both sides of the issue.

    One is thoughtful, the other is merely cynical and manipulative.

    American Sniper is the former kind. It is thoughtful as both 'patriotic movie' and 'anti-war film'.

    Mad Men is dishonest through and through.
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  101. @Udolpho
    By the way, Steve, are you aware of how you come across in interviews? I've heard Weiner speak, he's a hell of a lot more articulate than you. Most of what you gripe about here makes you sound petty.

    You seem kind of angry. Are you actually Matthew Weiner whining about Steve’s excellent piece?

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  102. @Anon
    Maybe this is the only way Weiner can justify his Waspophilia.

    Renaissance artists justified their love of pagan art by making it serve anti-pagan Judeo-Christo themes. That way, paganism could be indulged in but officially as 'anti-paganism'.

    Likewise, Madmen seems to indulge in Waspophilia but officially pretends to be a moral lesson about 'the evil of privilege'. Right, show how evil privilege is by glamorizing it for 7 seasons.

    But then gangster movies pretend to be morality tales than fantasies of power and money.

    And DeMille movies pretended to be about spirituality than fantasies of Babylon.

    “Maybe this is the only way Weiner can justify his Waspophilia.”

    What “waspophilia” are you talking about? Or were you being sarcastic?

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  103. @donut
    In the mid 50's my father worked for an oil co. in Venezuela . There were only a few other Americans there and none my age . I was in school with all Dutch and English kids with English staff. They wouldn't let me join the Cub Scouts , the troop was "full" , one of the teachers stopped the class to announce how stupid I was to everyone (she may not have been wrong but still..) . Every morning before class we would play soccer in the school yard , one day I kicked a goal and the ball hit some Dutch kid , he said something rude about me as an American . I grabbed him in a headlock and threw him to the ground jumped on him and started pummeling him , an English kid jumped on my back and started on me . The teacher pulled me out of the pile and dragged me to the office to be disciplined leaving the other two on the playground . They didn't like Americans it seemed , so what ? I'm not carrying a grudge against them 50 some years later , some of them were nice to me , the little girls seemed to like me and when my home room teacher read us stories we would sit on the floor at her feet which provided an unobstructed view of her magnificent bush . The local kids around the building where we lived were all my friends and looked out for me . I loved it there . If little Matthew wants to spend his life gnawing on the flavorless bone of his resentments let him .

    “If little Matthew wants to spend his life gnawing on the flavorless bone of his resentments let him.”

    No, his “gnawing” takes the form of a Jewish Kulturkampf and has ramifications. Can’t simply be ignored.

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  104. @Anonymous
    But here’s a concept some find useful: faithfully following the religion of your fathers because you want to, not because you feel forced.

    Seems the only significant coercion here would have come from your parents.

    Here's a novel concept: faithfully join the identity of the community you demand privileges from.

    And yes, everyone else has embraced Christianity, including the Founding Fathers. No reason why you shouldn't either. You are claiming special privileges.

    OK, you want to sticking with “everyone embraced Christianity.” Possibly the letter from George Washington to the synagogue was a forgery. When you develop an interest in facts, let us know.

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  105. @Steve Sailer
    Having it both ways isn't necessarily a bad thing in art.

    Having it both ways isn’t necessarily a bad thing in art.

    Yeah.Frankly, I’m just glad that Mad Men ended up being quite a bit better than the ethnic animus agitprop show that Weiner’s been describing in his interviews.That show would have been unwatchable.

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    "Yeah.Frankly, I’m just glad that Mad Men ended up being quite a bit better than the ethnic animus agitprop show that Weiner’s been describing in his interviews.That show would have been unwatchable."

    The last episode of Mad Men is certainly way better than the last episode of The Sopranos and Seinfeld IMO. Mad Men is one of the few television shows that did not have a crappy last episode. Mad Men ended with a bang.
    , @Mr. Blank
    That's why all these interview Weiner's been giving have been so fascinating: They've made it pretty clear that the show he has had in his mind all these years is nothing like the show that Americans actually watched. (Assuming he's telling the truth, that is...) The show he officially claims he was making sounds like unwatchable crap.

    I'm reminded of Upton Sinclair's lament about "The Jungle" -- how he was aiming for America's heart, but he hit it in the stomach. None of the "Mad Men" fans I know received the show in anything like the way Weiner evidently intended.
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  106. @syonredux

    Having it both ways isn’t necessarily a bad thing in art.
     
    Yeah.Frankly, I'm just glad that Mad Men ended up being quite a bit better than the ethnic animus agitprop show that Weiner's been describing in his interviews.That show would have been unwatchable.

    “Yeah.Frankly, I’m just glad that Mad Men ended up being quite a bit better than the ethnic animus agitprop show that Weiner’s been describing in his interviews.That show would have been unwatchable.”

    The last episode of Mad Men is certainly way better than the last episode of The Sopranos and Seinfeld IMO. Mad Men is one of the few television shows that did not have a crappy last episode. Mad Men ended with a bang.

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  107. @Anon
    See also: Born in the USA, a rock song with a patriotic, anthemic theme but subversive, anti-American lyrics. Springsteen wanted to and was able to have it both ways.

    No kidding! Glad I’m not the only one who’s been irritated all these years by Springsteen and his fanboys whining that “Born in the U.S.A.” was being misinterpreted. There is NO WAY a guy who came from Springsteen’s background could have failed to understand how the song’s soaring chorus would be received by a bunch of yokels hearing it on the car radio.

    I probably first heard the “but it’s REALLY anti-American!” line back when I was in elementary school, and even then it smelled like bullshit, though at the time I couldn’t have put it into words.

    At the time I wasn’t cynical enough to understand that an artist might actually WANT to have it both ways. :)

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  108. >the series — which airs its last episode Sunday on AMC — traces the United States’ transition from the staid, tradition-bound Eisenhower years to the freewheeling exuberance and social upheaval of the 1960s.

    Seems like Mr. Mad Man is recycling certain creation myths he inherited from the gogglebox…and that have been made into the jewclaic acids of contemporary cultural DNA. I can’t say for sure. The only thing we use the co-ax cable for is broadband Internet, and none of that is entertainment related.

    But consider this: every Ashkenazi Jew I’ve ever known in life (NE big cities), school (UPenn, tres juif), career (comms research), and elsewhere has asserted the exact same myth.

    The US was staid and tradition bound and boring and repressive in the Eisenhower years.

    It liberated its orgone in the 1960s. Everything that has happened since has to be in the pattern of the ’60s, because the ’50s were all bad n scheisse. We can only be saved by referring back to that liberation from the slavery of…what?

    Just what was so bad about the 1950s? Talking to my family about that time (my parents were WWII generation), they seemed to have open, freewheeling, creative, orderly, wonderful lives, better than working class people at any time before or since.

    I have always asked Jews who assert this myth who invented polyamorous families. Turns out there’s pretty compelling evidence it was Air Force test pilots. Not only did they do a lot of bedroom rocket launching, it appears that many of them had agreements to take care of each others’ spouses and families should something of a crashy nature happen while at work.

    Swinging? It was well underway prior to “the 1960s.”

    Birth control? The Pill was invented in the 1950s by a eugenicist daughter of Potato Famine emigrants, a Catholic OB-GYN, a Polish Jew, and a suffragette with a farm machinery fortune.

    Et cetera.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-macaray/everything-began-in-the-1950s_b_1503464.html

    Of traditional life, that continued on as before. My parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles were traditional people, though very open minded. They felt that television magnified the decadent and ridiculed the elevated. They didn’t have a lot of time for it. They were too busy doing things outside the house or in their workshops. Playing with their kids. Helping out with volunteer stuff.

    What actually happened in the 1960s? We had the first generation of young people raised on and by the television. Television told them what to think. It magnified their demographic. It developed memes to pitch to that demographic. It started assembling piecemeal a wholecloth creation myth, focused on the evils of military service, the joys of collectivism, and the inferiority of whites.

    And who owned/ran television when Matthew Weiner was growing up?

    ABC–Leonard Goldenson, son of “one of only four Jewish families” in his boyhood town.

    http://projects.latimes.com/hollywood/star-walk/leonard-h-goldenson/

    CBS–William Paley, womanizer and Jewish boychik.

    NBC–David Sarnoff, yeshiva boy.

    He’s just passing along the Tablets of the Law as he inherited them from TV.

    There is no oppression so powerful as the imaginary kind, because the fauxpressed person has to work extra hard to sustain the illusion of being wronged. Then selling that to everyone else. No wonder The Tribe has been largely behind the cultivation of blacks as the perpetually historically aggrieved; nobody believes that at all anymore about Jews; they need proxies for their topping-from-below.

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    David Halberstam's The Fifties covers some of the things you mention and more. He put forth the idea that a lot of the good things attributed to the 1960s (civil rights for blacks, for example, and sexual liberation) should in fact be attributed to the 1950s. I remember being impressed by it when it came out, but I was only 25. Maybe I'd feel differently about it today, but it might be of interest to some of you. (And I'm sure your local libraries have it.)
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  109. @syonredux

    Having it both ways isn’t necessarily a bad thing in art.
     
    Yeah.Frankly, I'm just glad that Mad Men ended up being quite a bit better than the ethnic animus agitprop show that Weiner's been describing in his interviews.That show would have been unwatchable.

    That’s why all these interview Weiner’s been giving have been so fascinating: They’ve made it pretty clear that the show he has had in his mind all these years is nothing like the show that Americans actually watched. (Assuming he’s telling the truth, that is…) The show he officially claims he was making sounds like unwatchable crap.

    I’m reminded of Upton Sinclair’s lament about “The Jungle” — how he was aiming for America’s heart, but he hit it in the stomach. None of the “Mad Men” fans I know received the show in anything like the way Weiner evidently intended.

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  110. @M_Young
    So, there's like one commercial from the late 1960s or early 1970s that is famous...one that was considered 'insulting' to Italian-Americans. It's the 'That's a Spicy Meatball' ad.

    So I look it up and thanks to Al Gore and the wonderful WASP (original version) Tim Berners-Lee, I find that it was made by one Roy Grace. Grace was born in the Bronx, but that's his real name (Jason Roy Grace) and its a pretty common Irish name, so probably not Jewish.

    However, the firm he worked for was Doyle Dane Birnbach and, as you'd guess, Birnbach was Jewish. Doyle almost certainly not, and Dane, well, definitely had a Jewish wife (Esther); his kids were named Abraham, Michael, Marion, etc. DDB was founded in 1949 -- advertising was integrated by then.

    DDB also developed the Volkswagen Beetle as a product far above and beyond the car itself.

    I’ve retained an entire boxful of their ads, magazines, and corollary products since childhood. Selling the Fuhrer’s peoplewagon to the white masses in the US.

    It all looks very different from a “post racial” perspective. :D

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  111. @Udolpho
    I gather from this bloviating essay that Steve is still MAF at Matthew Weiner, and still isn't a particularly incisive or interesting writer once he gets beyond about 200 words.

    It sounds like you’re upset that the creator of the show is breathlessly confirming that Steve is right and that what you imagined the show was really about was just a fantasy.

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    That's probably it. Though Udolpho may also harbour Weiner's anti-Wasp sentiments.
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  112. gjk says:
    @Anon
    And in this mission, Weiner failed. People who casually watched Mad Men looked past the in-your-face preachiness. Mad Men caught on because childless attention whores in their late 30s loved to fantasize about a period in which they would have been treated as a woman rather than a swipe-right/swipe-left NSA fuck toy. They wrote fan fiction about Peggy and her "marry Stan, fuck Don" conundrum. They could have cared less about the WASP/Jewish thing Weiner is trying to inject into his faded show.

    “Mad Men caught on because childless attention whores in their late 30s loved to fantasize about a period in which they would have been treated as a woman rather than a swipe-right/swipe-left NSA fuck toy.”

    they are being treated that way because of their own behavior. YOu make it sound as if it is something that is done unto them.

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    Well, it's some part self-induced and some part culture-induced. Which is which, I'm not sure. Either way, all of these successful women who graduated from good schools in the 90s and 2000s only to waste their wombs riding the cock carousel have fucked us all. They didn't produce the children that will prevent America from becoming more Hispanic and Asian.
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  113. @Anonymous
    But here’s a concept some find useful: faithfully following the religion of your fathers because you want to, not because you feel forced.

    Seems the only significant coercion here would have come from your parents.

    Here's a novel concept: faithfully join the identity of the community you demand privileges from.

    And yes, everyone else has embraced Christianity, including the Founding Fathers. No reason why you shouldn't either. You are claiming special privileges.

    You’re being so obnoxious about this that one could conceivably view you as a non-Christian trying to stir the pot.

    If you hadn’t noticed, there’s plenty of commenters on this site who are of partial or full Jewish heritage. Only a couple have shown an attitude comparable to Weiner. Most of them are erudite and raise the level of discourse on this blog. You’re only making yourself look bad by comparison.

    Anyway, the idea that Jewish Americans are “claiming special privileges” by not converting to Christianity (which sect, by the way? Does LDS count?) is asinine. I doubt you would say the same to Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Sikh, Scientologist, or atheist Americans (among others). Wizbeg cited the letter from George Washington to make a point about the historic nature of religious pluralism in the US.

    If you’re hopping mad because of Israel’s special privileges and/or anti-gentile prejudice, trying to instate an American Inquisition is… moronic doesn’t seem a strong enough term.

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  114. @Dana Thompson
    There were a couple of cultural phenomena in the 50's that embodied a Jewish sensibility and also contributed substantially to the glamour of Americanism that, to me, anyway, attaches to the era. One is Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone. Nearly every episode taught a wholesome lesson of self respect and respect for others, and mental independence and resistance to the group-think that leads to mob rule. I don't think this topic could have held such resonance for Serling had he not been a Jew (albeit converted to Unitarian-Universalism). The other is Mad Magazine. Much of its energies in the '50 were devoted to mocking the crassness of advertising and the whole mass consumer culture. If there was conformism back then, it was the foil that allowed the daring iconoclasm and 'hipness' of the magazine to shine the brighter. Mad didn't become preachy and didactic until the '60's -- 1963 maybe, that watershed year. Oh, and we mustn't forget Superman - "truth, justice, and the American way" - we really believed it back then - who could doubt the man of steel. In this forum, where vibrations of a negative sort may be floating about, I'm proud to express gratitude to Jews who made me a better person.

    Serling also idealized small town life, and in the bios I’ve read about him, had no nasty memories about it and regretted that America was losing that sort of lifestyle. Only towards the end of the series did the TZ get annoyingly preachy, and the shows suffered as a result. One of the worst was a sermon on race relations. You didn’t need that sort of blatant PC finger wagging on TZ. The sheer eeriness of it, as universal as it was personal, was all you needed to get a point across. His suicide was very sad.

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    The sheer eeriness of it, as universal as it was personal, was all you needed to get a point across. His suicide was very sad.

    His wiki entry says that Rod Serling died after a series of heart attacks and a failed open heart surgery.
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  115. @Gabriel M
    "Of course, to have a Clan to defend, you also have to have a Not-Clan that you feel resentment against. "

    What is this, Slate magazine?

    "But grown-ups keep telling you that you can’t be at war all the time, that there are rules of truce. But, if you are a high testosterone male, like Moshe Dayan or Matthew Weiner, you can’t help but keep noticing how the Not-Clan is always violating the rules of fairness, how the Not-Tribe is always getting ready to attack."

    That crazy Moshe getting into his head that Arabs are belligerent. Where did he get that idea? From observing data and forming patterns? What a racist nut. If only he had listened to those adults who told him to calm down then he could have lived peacefully with the Arabs just like all those other non-Arab minorities in the region.

    Here's a hint. Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans. Parroting whatever you last read some neurotic Jewish American loon write on Mondoweiss makes about as much sense as, well, … actually I can't think of anything to be honest.

    Here’s a hint. Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans.

    Fair is fair. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. You’re a sucker if you let others play by rules less-restrictive than those you play by.

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  116. @iSteveFan
    From the posts I read here it seems a number of Jews have a resentment against the Founding Stock, and in some way every other European ethnic group as well. My question is this. Do a significant number of Jews in Latin America have the same antagonism for the local Founding Stock? After all, Spaniards and Portuguese expelled Jews from Iberia and conducted the Inquisition. And the European Latin Americans stole their land from the natives, imported slaves and created societies where people of color are second and third class citizens. Are the whites of Latin America given the same examination by Jews there that the whites of North America are given by Jews here? If not, why not?

    From the posts I read here it seems a number of Jews have a resentment against the Founding Stock, and in some way every other European ethnic group as well. My question is this. Do a significant number of Jews in Latin America have the same antagonism for the local Founding Stock?

    Jews, including anusim, were a large part of the founding stock in much of Latin America, at least 10% and perhaps more like 25%. Jews were there from the start in 1492.

    After all, Spaniards and Portuguese expelled Jews from Iberia and conducted the Inquisition. And the European Latin Americans stole their land from the natives, imported slaves and created societies where people of color are second and third class citizens. Are the whites of Latin America given the same examination by Jews there that the whites of North America are given by Jews here? If not, why not?

    The Spaniards and Portuguese mixed with the Indians and blacks, as did many of the Jews, but some of the Jews had the cultural equipment and ethnocentrism to maintain their endogamous practices over the centuries. Latin American Jews are essentially the only remnants of the founding stock.

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  117. Gato de la Biblioteca [AKA "Icepick"] says:
    @Olorin
    >the series — which airs its last episode Sunday on AMC — traces the United States’ transition from the staid, tradition-bound Eisenhower years to the freewheeling exuberance and social upheaval of the 1960s.

    Seems like Mr. Mad Man is recycling certain creation myths he inherited from the gogglebox...and that have been made into the jewclaic acids of contemporary cultural DNA. I can't say for sure. The only thing we use the co-ax cable for is broadband Internet, and none of that is entertainment related.

    But consider this: every Ashkenazi Jew I've ever known in life (NE big cities), school (UPenn, tres juif), career (comms research), and elsewhere has asserted the exact same myth.

    The US was staid and tradition bound and boring and repressive in the Eisenhower years.

    It liberated its orgone in the 1960s. Everything that has happened since has to be in the pattern of the '60s, because the '50s were all bad n scheisse. We can only be saved by referring back to that liberation from the slavery of...what?

    Just what was so bad about the 1950s? Talking to my family about that time (my parents were WWII generation), they seemed to have open, freewheeling, creative, orderly, wonderful lives, better than working class people at any time before or since.

    I have always asked Jews who assert this myth who invented polyamorous families. Turns out there's pretty compelling evidence it was Air Force test pilots. Not only did they do a lot of bedroom rocket launching, it appears that many of them had agreements to take care of each others' spouses and families should something of a crashy nature happen while at work.

    Swinging? It was well underway prior to "the 1960s."

    Birth control? The Pill was invented in the 1950s by a eugenicist daughter of Potato Famine emigrants, a Catholic OB-GYN, a Polish Jew, and a suffragette with a farm machinery fortune.

    Et cetera.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-macaray/everything-began-in-the-1950s_b_1503464.html

    Of traditional life, that continued on as before. My parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles were traditional people, though very open minded. They felt that television magnified the decadent and ridiculed the elevated. They didn't have a lot of time for it. They were too busy doing things outside the house or in their workshops. Playing with their kids. Helping out with volunteer stuff.

    What actually happened in the 1960s? We had the first generation of young people raised on and by the television. Television told them what to think. It magnified their demographic. It developed memes to pitch to that demographic. It started assembling piecemeal a wholecloth creation myth, focused on the evils of military service, the joys of collectivism, and the inferiority of whites.

    And who owned/ran television when Matthew Weiner was growing up?

    ABC--Leonard Goldenson, son of "one of only four Jewish families" in his boyhood town.
    http://projects.latimes.com/hollywood/star-walk/leonard-h-goldenson/

    CBS--William Paley, womanizer and Jewish boychik.

    NBC--David Sarnoff, yeshiva boy.

    He’s just passing along the Tablets of the Law as he inherited them from TV.

    There is no oppression so powerful as the imaginary kind, because the fauxpressed person has to work extra hard to sustain the illusion of being wronged. Then selling that to everyone else. No wonder The Tribe has been largely behind the cultivation of blacks as the perpetually historically aggrieved; nobody believes that at all anymore about Jews; they need proxies for their topping-from-below.

    David Halberstam’s The Fifties covers some of the things you mention and more. He put forth the idea that a lot of the good things attributed to the 1960s (civil rights for blacks, for example, and sexual liberation) should in fact be attributed to the 1950s. I remember being impressed by it when it came out, but I was only 25. Maybe I’d feel differently about it today, but it might be of interest to some of you. (And I’m sure your local libraries have it.)

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  118. @Big Bill
    Come to think about it, the Lasker/Bernays smoking campaigns were brilliant and set the stage for others trends almost half a century later.

    The problem Lasker/Bernays faced was that women smoking on the street was considered whorish behavior.

    So the only way to get women to smoke (i.e. act like whores) was to somehow equate the whorishness of smoking with women's liberation. Sort of like the way promiscuity in general was mainstreamed by the 1960s Free Sex movement and 1990s "hookup" culture, etc.

    Come to think about it, the Lasker/Bernays smoking campaigns were brilliant and set the stage for others trends almost half a century later.

    The problem Lasker/Bernays faced was that women smoking on the street was considered whorish behavior.

    So the only way to get women to smoke (i.e. act like whores) was to somehow equate the whorishness of smoking with women’s liberation.

    The tradition that well-bred Southern women must not smoke standing up continued into the 1990′s, at least.

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  119. @dcite
    Serling also idealized small town life, and in the bios I've read about him, had no nasty memories about it and regretted that America was losing that sort of lifestyle. Only towards the end of the series did the TZ get annoyingly preachy, and the shows suffered as a result. One of the worst was a sermon on race relations. You didn't need that sort of blatant PC finger wagging on TZ. The sheer eeriness of it, as universal as it was personal, was all you needed to get a point across. His suicide was very sad.

    The sheer eeriness of it, as universal as it was personal, was all you needed to get a point across. His suicide was very sad.

    His wiki entry says that Rod Serling died after a series of heart attacks and a failed open heart surgery.

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  120. “When I was a wee lad, Uncle Dickie sat me on his knee, and regaled me with stories about the genesis of a game that involved trying to jam a ball into a hole in the ground with a stick,”

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49853.A_Nasty_Bit_of_Rough

    Solution? Mash up Mad Men and Mad Max. The greens are dead because the water is low and the fuel is low. The football is low and we’re Patriots. Have Shotgun Football on the dead course People can be green and shoot footballs from souped up electric golf carts. Have country boys run the action.

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    Have country boys run the action.
     
    Heh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXEWu8iSDfE
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  121. @josh
    Edward Bernays must have been jewish as well.

    He was.

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  122. @ben tillman

    Some things the best at them in the world are going to be of a certain ethnicity, because of the historical selection they have been subjected to . So for a while there is resistance There was real WASP resistance in the social sphere with people being turned away from hotels. But that more or less ended before WW1 (1907 Atlantic City hotel apologizes to Bertha Rayner Frank for anti-Jewish discrimination (Her brother was the first Jewish senator (Maryland).
     
    David Yulee (D-Florida) joined the Senate in 1845. His second cousin Judah Benjamin (W-Louisian) joined the Senate in 1853. Benjamin Jonas (D-Louisiana) and Joseph Simon (R-Ore.) also preceded Isidor Rayner into the Senate.

    Until the turn of the 20th century, United States senators were elected by state legislatures. Based on the recommendation of the Dillingham Commission, the Seventeenth Amendment to the constitution was proposed, and eventually ratified in 1913, bringing about direct election of senators by popular vote. This benefited the Jews because no state legislature had ever elected a Jewish senator, but with a popular vote rather than one dependent upon bargaining and politicking in state legislatures, the first Jewish senator, Isidor Rayner, an immigrant from Lodz, Poland, was elected from the state of Maryland in 1914

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    Until the turn of the 20th century, United States senators were elected by state legislatures. Based on the recommendation of the Dillingham Commission, the Seventeenth Amendment to the constitution was proposed, and eventually ratified in 1913, bringing about direct election of senators by popular vote. This benefited the Jews because no state legislature had ever elected a Jewish senator, but with a popular vote rather than one dependent upon bargaining and politicking in state legislatures, the first Jewish senator, Isidor Rayner, an immigrant from Lodz, Poland, was elected from the state of Maryland in 1914
     
    Why did you post this? We already know it's flagrantly wrong. What's more - Rayner was first elected BEFORE 1913.
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  123. @rustbeltreader
    “When I was a wee lad, Uncle Dickie sat me on his knee, and regaled me with stories about the genesis of a game that involved trying to jam a ball into a hole in the ground with a stick,”
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49853.A_Nasty_Bit_of_Rough

    Solution? Mash up Mad Men and Mad Max. The greens are dead because the water is low and the fuel is low. The football is low and we're Patriots. Have Shotgun Football on the dead course People can be green and shoot footballs from souped up electric golf carts. Have country boys run the action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQzw_Ax8Cw

    Have country boys run the action.

    Heh

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  124. @Udolpho
    By the way, Steve, are you aware of how you come across in interviews? I've heard Weiner speak, he's a hell of a lot more articulate than you. Most of what you gripe about here makes you sound petty.

    “Most of what you gripe about here makes you sound petty”

    You would know.

    Udolpho: strictly a negative thinker — when he’s not plagiarizing from Jews such as Gottfried (on managerialism) and Haidt (on moral sentiment.)

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  125. I was hanging out with a Jewish friend the other day. He comes from the solid German/Bavarian/Alsatian set that arrived in heartland river towns during the general first large German immigration of the 1840′s-1850′s. They were a different set than the more “eastern” group that came later, and he knows it, but is reluctant to say it. He’s keenly aware of this sort of thing, as I am. I pointed out how the Midwest, and especially the South, was very welcoming at that time. (My little farm town even had two synagogues.) I remember a Paul Gottfried article that discussed this difference.

    For me, if you wanted to really explain the ethno-intellectual “waves” that made this country, the first would be whatever Albion’s seed taxonomy you wish, but basically a British founding. The second is the German heartland arrival (I’d definitely add the German Jews as a part of that) with the Ohio Hegelians , the Communist Prussian Civil War General August Willich , the assorted health food/nature/holistic utopian stuff that Steve alludes to occasionally, and the the strong influence on American education. The third wave is the Ashkenazi thing that, well, a good chunk of the Steveosphere is concerned with.

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    I wouldn't leave out the African impact.

    It's different in some ways than the others, but their stamp on the culture is enormous (for better or worse) America just wouldn't be anything like the country it is today without its black population.
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  126. Matthew Weiner has his own secret meaning for his Mad Men series, but in the real world it did not register on more than ten people in the viewing audience. If he is prone to embroidering fantasies from his father being denied entry into tony Christian country clubs, then he is doing the same thing here. Steve can go on about Matthew Weiner’s psyche and motivations but it was poor Judaic propaganda. No one noticed.”

    Exactly! People who were fans of the show watched it for entertainment, not because, according to our resident race baiters here, that a Joo produced it as a decidedly secret anti-White smear campaign.

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    Unfortunately Matthew Weiner does not keep his own meaning for his Mad Men series secret . In the real world Weiner explained in public about the meaning of the show, sounding suspiciously like he believes the masses so unimportant he does not have to bother hiding his loathing for them.
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  127. @anonymous
    Everything has to be twisted into being some form of therapy for the self-absorbed.
    For many years now whenever someone comes up with the inevitable 'what are you' question I usually reply 'American'. If they want to go further I tell them that it's not important. I think I must be the only person who does that, everyone else I know claims to be something or other even though they've never even been there as a tourist. This ethnic flag waving gets fatiguing. Some of these people find themselves fascinating therefore everyone else must also be keen on it.

    This ethnic flag waving gets fatiguing. Some of these people find themselves fascinating therefore everyone else must also be keen on it.

    Most memorable comment on Mondoweiss: “Jews are not that interesting.”

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  128. @Matra
    Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans.

    Germans and White Americans fought each other twice in the last century in rather significant skirmishes; Israelis and Jewish Americans did nothing of the sort. White Americans don't lobby for German interests even if at the expense of the US the way Jewish Americans do for Israelis. (And no, the Marshall Plan, which Germany benefitted from, does not compare). This is the problem with using others people's weaknesses (imperfections, really) as a political weapon against them - not to mention punishing them for things they did not do: Eventually some of the targets will notice then start using your people's weak points to retaliate against.

    And no, the Marshall Plan, which Germany benefitted from, does not compare

    Germany “benefited from” the Marshall Plan just like Trisha Melli benefited from rape counseling.

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  129. @Dana Thompson
    The 50's were the era of exuberance and boundless self-confidence - anyone who believes it was staid, hidebound and stifling could not be more wrong. Think of the cars -- every one was a bold fashion statement, with annual model changes, just like Paris couture. We mimicked no one -- we were the best in everything we did - everyone knew that - and it was the world's task to rise to our level. And at last, as the culmination of the decade's arrow of progress, we had a beautiful glamorous First Lady who wore the latest fashions and a handsome, rich, charming, virile President - we had arrived and come into our own - and then the dream died in a spray of skull fragments and brain matter, and the balloon was punctured. Those of us of a certain age get real misty-eyed when talking about the 50's. Maybe not everything we remember was real, but it was pretty near the best reality that could be imagined.

    Absolutely correct.
    It was heaven on earth, particularly if you lived in a place like Palo Alto or the Santa Monica Palisades or Locust Valley or Great Neck or Fifth Avenue – all places of my Fifties journey through childhood.
    And those cars! From Fleetwood Cadillacs to Chevrolet station wagons, they were solid, handsome, and reliable.
    Just like Americans of the time, come to think of it.

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  130. @Anonymous
    It sounds like you're upset that the creator of the show is breathlessly confirming that Steve is right and that what you imagined the show was really about was just a fantasy.

    That’s probably it. Though Udolpho may also harbour Weiner’s anti-Wasp sentiments.

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  131. ross says:
    @Udolpho
    I gather from this bloviating essay that Steve is still MAF at Matthew Weiner, and still isn't a particularly incisive or interesting writer once he gets beyond about 200 words.

    As your tone reveals, the only one MAF here is you. You’d kill to have one hundredth of Steve’s readership. But there’s still time to make that big intellectual splash, Brian, don’t give up hope. Turn off the TV, set down the bottle, and get moving. The clock is ticking, tick-tick-tick-tick-tick…

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  132. @Rob McX
    Steve Sailer: ...hey, it worked for Genghis Khan...

    Maybe his real name was Genghis Kahn.

    There actually once was a kosher-Mongolian restaurant in LA called Genghis Cohen!

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    There actually once was a kosher-Mongolian restaurant in LA called Genghis Cohen!

     

    There was a humble Chinese place in downtown Winston-Salem called Tokyo Shapiro. I think that one wins the WTF Trophy.
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  133. @Wizbeg
    Comments on two topics.

    1. Regarding the Lucky Strike line "It's toasted" in the 60s: That is not a lame anachronistic invention of the TV show. It was indeed a tagline around that time as the show depicts. I remember it very well from my childhood (maybe it was in the late 50s), and I was fascinated by the apparent "re-creation" on the show of the origin of line. I did not know "It's toasted" had actually been used decades before, as the antique graphic demonstrates.

    2. Regarding the pain Jewish kids might have felt at Hanukkah time, having to explain to the surrounding school population why they weren't getting with the Christmas program: I remember in the second or third grade the teacher asked everyone to write an essay beginning "To me Christmas means...." Boy, that's an easy one, I innocently thought, and wrote just one sentence--"To me Christmas means nothing because I am not a Christian"--and handed it in. She said "Uhhh, ok, you can write 'To me Hanukkah means...'" It was a very mellow progressive school, and my situation resulted in just a micro-micro-aggression. However, I can imagine out there in the world a similar situation replicated thousands of times leading to anything from mild discomfiture to a pillorying or even a thrashing from jeering schoolmates. Triumph or trauma, doesn't it all fall into a bell-shaped curve?

    As a 12-year old, I was always waiting for the explanation as to why my Jewish Little League teammates were able to skip practice to go to Hebrew school without suffering the same penalties as we Gentiles.

    The one the coach gave me at the time, that it’s an important religious thing, didn’t wash, as I pointed out they didn’t miss GAMES for Hebrew school.

    If I had gone to public schools instead of Catholic, I’d have been the kid asking why the Jewish kids got my religious holidays off, but I didn’t get theirs.

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    Having suffered through several years of Hebrew school after regular school, I would imagine that most of your Jewish fellow Little Leaguers would have preferred to attend baseball practice. Most of us attended Hebrew school because our parents insisted rather than of our own volition.
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  134. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @gjk
    "Mad Men caught on because childless attention whores in their late 30s loved to fantasize about a period in which they would have been treated as a woman rather than a swipe-right/swipe-left NSA fuck toy."

    they are being treated that way because of their own behavior. YOu make it sound as if it is something that is done unto them.

    Well, it’s some part self-induced and some part culture-induced. Which is which, I’m not sure. Either way, all of these successful women who graduated from good schools in the 90s and 2000s only to waste their wombs riding the cock carousel have fucked us all. They didn’t produce the children that will prevent America from becoming more Hispanic and Asian.

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  135. Matthew Weiner’s favorite topic of conversation is obviously Matthew Weiner.

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  136. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    Matthew Weiner has his own secret meaning for his Mad Men series, but in the real world it did not register on more than ten people in the viewing audience. If he is prone to embroidering fantasies from his father being denied entry into tony Christian country clubs, then he is doing the same thing here. Steve can go on about Matthew Weiner’s psyche and motivations but it was poor Judaic propaganda. No one noticed.”

    Exactly! People who were fans of the show watched it for entertainment, not because, according to our resident race baiters here, that a Joo produced it as a decidedly secret anti-White smear campaign.

    Unfortunately Matthew Weiner does not keep his own meaning for his Mad Men series secret . In the real world Weiner explained in public about the meaning of the show, sounding suspiciously like he believes the masses so unimportant he does not have to bother hiding his loathing for them.

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  137. @Steve Sailer
    Leo Burnett came up with switching Marlboro from a women's cigarette named after an English country estate to a cowboy cigarette. He was at least half Jewish (father Noble Israel Burnett).

    So, Steve just so I’m clear, what was wrong with my comment in reply to Gabriel M. #29? Gabriel M. said:

    “Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans.”

    I replied that “Jewish Americans and Israel are two aspects of the same problem” or words very close to that. I guess that you felt this was inappropriate, as that post (1 of 4 that I made) disappeared. The other three were posted.

    Could you elaborate on your disapproval of this post?

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    Could you elaborate on your disapproval of this post?

     

    It's simple, Mr Oscar Peterson. Steve has had a problem with famous black Canadians since Ferguson Jenkins snubbed his kids in an autograph queue, and, before that, when Floyd Sneed didn't return his wave from the Three Dog Night stage.

    This explains his quest to take Malcolm Gladwell down a few pegs.

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  138. MRW says:
    @Dana Thompson
    There were a couple of cultural phenomena in the 50's that embodied a Jewish sensibility and also contributed substantially to the glamour of Americanism that, to me, anyway, attaches to the era. One is Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone. Nearly every episode taught a wholesome lesson of self respect and respect for others, and mental independence and resistance to the group-think that leads to mob rule. I don't think this topic could have held such resonance for Serling had he not been a Jew (albeit converted to Unitarian-Universalism). The other is Mad Magazine. Much of its energies in the '50 were devoted to mocking the crassness of advertising and the whole mass consumer culture. If there was conformism back then, it was the foil that allowed the daring iconoclasm and 'hipness' of the magazine to shine the brighter. Mad didn't become preachy and didactic until the '60's -- 1963 maybe, that watershed year. Oh, and we mustn't forget Superman - "truth, justice, and the American way" - we really believed it back then - who could doubt the man of steel. In this forum, where vibrations of a negative sort may be floating about, I'm proud to express gratitude to Jews who made me a better person.

    Oh, and we mustn’t forget Superman – “truth, justice, and the American way”

    Superman didn’t start out that way.

    The first Superman character created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster was not a hero, but a villain. Their short story “The Reign of the Superman” concerned a bald-headed villain bent on dominating the world. The story did not sell, forcing the two to reposition their character on the right side of the law. (http://www.supermansupersite.com/sup.html

    Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster had to adopt “truth, justice, and the American way” to sell their character to the American people. It wasn’t their first impulse. The public demanded it.

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  139. @Seamus Padraig
    There actually once was a kosher-Mongolian restaurant in LA called Genghis Cohen!

    There actually once was a kosher-Mongolian restaurant in LA called Genghis Cohen!

    There was a humble Chinese place in downtown Winston-Salem called Tokyo Shapiro. I think that one wins the WTF Trophy.

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  140. @Oscar Peterson
    So, Steve just so I'm clear, what was wrong with my comment in reply to Gabriel M. #29? Gabriel M. said:

    "Taking out your frustrations about Jewish Americans on Israel makes about as much sense as Jewish Americans taking out their frustrations about Germany on white Americans."

    I replied that "Jewish Americans and Israel are two aspects of the same problem" or words very close to that. I guess that you felt this was inappropriate, as that post (1 of 4 that I made) disappeared. The other three were posted.

    Could you elaborate on your disapproval of this post?

    Could you elaborate on your disapproval of this post?

    It’s simple, Mr Oscar Peterson. Steve has had a problem with famous black Canadians since Ferguson Jenkins snubbed his kids in an autograph queue, and, before that, when Floyd Sneed didn’t return his wave from the Three Dog Night stage.

    This explains his quest to take Malcolm Gladwell down a few pegs.

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    Thanks for the clarification.
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  141. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Regarding the pain Jewish kids might have felt at Hanukkah time, having to explain to the surrounding school population why they weren’t getting with the Christmas program:

    Nothing stopping you from celebrating Christmas with your fellow countrymen, or even from embracing Christainity. Everyone else has. It is your choice to not get with the program.

    That’s not quite true. I live in the South, and some of my colleagues are religious Christians. A few of these people insist to me that a Jew, no matter that I’ve explained I’m non-practicing, should not wish them Merry Christmas. The person who is most dogmatic about this is not only religious but also extremely politically liberal and politically correct. So there are sometimes impediments to celebrating Christmas with our fellow countrymen.

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  142. @LKM
    Yeah, but just try to imagine a gentile TV writer repeatedly bringing up with interviewers the smoldering resentment he felt as a tween at the fact that he couldn't join the local Jewish country club.

    The Jewish country clubs weren’t as prestigious as the non-Jewish clubs and tended to have lesser golf courses. Why would he have wanted his family to join a Jewish club if they could have been accepted at a non-Jewish club?

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    If Hillcrest is a lesser golf course, it's because the Hillcrest members preferred investing in their dining room.
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  143. @Reg Cæsar

    Could you elaborate on your disapproval of this post?

     

    It's simple, Mr Oscar Peterson. Steve has had a problem with famous black Canadians since Ferguson Jenkins snubbed his kids in an autograph queue, and, before that, when Floyd Sneed didn't return his wave from the Three Dog Night stage.

    This explains his quest to take Malcolm Gladwell down a few pegs.

    Thanks for the clarification.

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  144. @ben tillman

    But there’s a lot of quintessential ad campaigns early on, where Jewish sensibility and Jewish writers, some of them female, started having an impact. And I think that by 1969, people are looking for Jewish creatives.
     
    Right, because no one had ever heard of Sigmund Freud's double nephew's Torches of Freedom in 1929. And everything else Edward Bernays did was completed unnoticed and uncompensated. And Walter Lippmann never had any influence.

    To some Jews, someone like Lippman is really non-Jewish. It has to do with a German vs. Polish & Russian divide.

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    To some Jews, someone like Lippman is really non-Jewish. It has to do with a German vs. Polish & Russian divide.
     
    Alan Dershowitz used to do something similar.He would go around saying that he was the first Jewish professor at Harvard*.Which was, of course, ludicrous.He was preceded by Jewish scholars like Harry Levin and Harry Wolfson by decades.And, if you count converts, centuries (Judah Monis, a Jewish convert to Christianity, taught Hebrew at Harvard from the 1720s to the 1760s).What he meant was that he was the first really Jewish Jew.Guys like Levin just don't count.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2014/4/24/fifty-years-retired-alan-dershowitz/
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  145. @Brutusale
    As a 12-year old, I was always waiting for the explanation as to why my Jewish Little League teammates were able to skip practice to go to Hebrew school without suffering the same penalties as we Gentiles.

    The one the coach gave me at the time, that it's an important religious thing, didn't wash, as I pointed out they didn't miss GAMES for Hebrew school.

    If I had gone to public schools instead of Catholic, I'd have been the kid asking why the Jewish kids got my religious holidays off, but I didn't get theirs.

    Having suffered through several years of Hebrew school after regular school, I would imagine that most of your Jewish fellow Little Leaguers would have preferred to attend baseball practice. Most of us attended Hebrew school because our parents insisted rather than of our own volition.

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  146. Suddenly it hit me: That photo Weiner made with his cast, at the top of this article, it looks like prom night! The guy really is high school all the way.

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  147. @Anonymous
    The Jewish country clubs weren't as prestigious as the non-Jewish clubs and tended to have lesser golf courses. Why would he have wanted his family to join a Jewish club if they could have been accepted at a non-Jewish club?

    If Hillcrest is a lesser golf course, it’s because the Hillcrest members preferred investing in their dining room.

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  148. In Los Angeles about 30 years ago, downtown near City Hall and the LA Times, there was street food vendor with a large sign saying “Kosher Burritos”. As I recall, it was owned and staffed by Koreans.

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  149. No fewer than four Sailer commenters fuming at me…not bad for a couple of seconds work.

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    You are the only one fuming. Every time Mad Men and Weiner come up you get testy. Just accept that you got it wrong. Despite knowing about the 'culture of critique' you got taken in. The show was so well crafted you wanted to believe that this time it would be different. It's not the end of the world.
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  150. @Udolpho
    No fewer than four Sailer commenters fuming at me...not bad for a couple of seconds work.

    You are the only one fuming. Every time Mad Men and Weiner come up you get testy. Just accept that you got it wrong. Despite knowing about the ‘culture of critique’ you got taken in. The show was so well crafted you wanted to believe that this time it would be different. It’s not the end of the world.

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    Hardly. I've been a vocal critic of the show for its past four seasons. I'm not a fan of Weiner, but Sailer's obsession with him is particularly transparent.
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  151. @Sean

    Until the turn of the 20th century, United States senators were elected by state legislatures. Based on the recommendation of the Dillingham Commission, the Seventeenth Amendment to the constitution was proposed, and eventually ratified in 1913, bringing about direct election of senators by popular vote. This benefited the Jews because no state legislature had ever elected a Jewish senator, but with a popular vote rather than one dependent upon bargaining and politicking in state legislatures, the first Jewish senator, Isidor Rayner, an immigrant from Lodz, Poland, was elected from the state of Maryland in 1914
     

    Until the turn of the 20th century, United States senators were elected by state legislatures. Based on the recommendation of the Dillingham Commission, the Seventeenth Amendment to the constitution was proposed, and eventually ratified in 1913, bringing about direct election of senators by popular vote. This benefited the Jews because no state legislature had ever elected a Jewish senator, but with a popular vote rather than one dependent upon bargaining and politicking in state legislatures, the first Jewish senator, Isidor Rayner, an immigrant from Lodz, Poland, was elected from the state of Maryland in 1914

    Why did you post this? We already know it’s flagrantly wrong. What’s more – Rayner was first elected BEFORE 1913.

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  152. @Hibernian
    To some Jews, someone like Lippman is really non-Jewish. It has to do with a German vs. Polish & Russian divide.

    To some Jews, someone like Lippman is really non-Jewish. It has to do with a German vs. Polish & Russian divide.

    Alan Dershowitz used to do something similar.He would go around saying that he was the first Jewish professor at Harvard*.Which was, of course, ludicrous.He was preceded by Jewish scholars like Harry Levin and Harry Wolfson by decades.And, if you count converts, centuries (Judah Monis, a Jewish convert to Christianity, taught Hebrew at Harvard from the 1720s to the 1760s).What he meant was that he was the first really Jewish Jew.Guys like Levin just don’t count.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2014/4/24/fifty-years-retired-alan-dershowitz/

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    We've talked about this before, this is the tension between German Jews (Yekkes) and Eastern Jews; German Jews tending to be much more assimilated to the West while Eastern Jews are not, they are "echt-Yiddish", the others are pretenders. It shows up in cultural depictions also, in my opinion, Felix Unger vs Oscar Madison, Alan Arkin vs Peter Falk in "The In Laws", etc.
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  153. @syonredux

    To some Jews, someone like Lippman is really non-Jewish. It has to do with a German vs. Polish & Russian divide.
     
    Alan Dershowitz used to do something similar.He would go around saying that he was the first Jewish professor at Harvard*.Which was, of course, ludicrous.He was preceded by Jewish scholars like Harry Levin and Harry Wolfson by decades.And, if you count converts, centuries (Judah Monis, a Jewish convert to Christianity, taught Hebrew at Harvard from the 1720s to the 1760s).What he meant was that he was the first really Jewish Jew.Guys like Levin just don't count.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2014/4/24/fifty-years-retired-alan-dershowitz/

    We’ve talked about this before, this is the tension between German Jews (Yekkes) and Eastern Jews; German Jews tending to be much more assimilated to the West while Eastern Jews are not, they are “echt-Yiddish”, the others are pretenders. It shows up in cultural depictions also, in my opinion, Felix Unger vs Oscar Madison, Alan Arkin vs Peter Falk in “The In Laws”, etc.

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  154. This inspired a telling experiment that I did in late 1989. I sent 200 copies of a letter seeking any entry level opportunity, but used two different pseudonyms – one blatantly gentile on 100 copies and one blatantly jewish on the other 100 copies of the letter. Without revealing the actual names used, let’s say they were “Christian Liam O’Grady” and “Brent Irving Friedman”. Well, many offers of entry level opportunities started coming in under the jewish name, and ONLY under the jewish name. There were more than 20 positive responses.

    One major production company sent two scripts to see how I would cover them, to see if they could use me as a reader. A schlock company was ready to hire me as an assistent. Was I interested in pursuing television animation writing at Disney Television Animation? Two major name persons didn’t offer opportunities but did sent notes of encouragement. And one of these persons, a female, surely must rank among Hollywood’s fifty biggest names! I was stunned at the positive response! But the other 100 letters, identical except the gentile signature, generated not a single positive response! I’ve been holding onto my response letters, and initially I investigated the possibility of self-publishing a small book or pamphlet chronicling the experiment, and once researched self publishing in the downtown L.A. library in the early Nineties. But then along came the web, which is cheaper and has a larger potential audience.

    Antisemitism is all about the white (but not black, yellow, red, brown, etc.) resentment of the Superior Jewish People. This “study” is all lies. And even if it weren’t, can the Jews really be blamed for knowing they they’re Superior?

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  155. As a 12-year old, I was always waiting for the explanation as to why my Jewish Little League teammates were able to skip practice to go to Hebrew school without suffering the same penalties as we Gentiles.

    The one the coach gave me at the time, that it’s an important religious thing, didn’t wash, as I pointed out they didn’t miss GAMES for Hebrew school.

    If I had gone to public schools instead of Catholic, I’d have been the kid asking why the Jewish kids got my religious holidays off, but I didn’t get theirs.

    All that wondering and explaining, when “they’re more ethnocentric” works perfectly.

    That’s not quite true. I live in the South, and some of my colleagues are religious Christians. A few of these people insist to me that a Jew, no matter that I’ve explained I’m non-practicing, should not wish them Merry Christmas. The person who is most dogmatic about this is not only religious but also extremely politically liberal and politically correct. So there are sometimes impediments to celebrating Christmas with our fellow countrymen.

    Oh, the ironies of extended phenotypes run amok!

    You are the only one fuming. Every time Mad Men and Weiner come up you get testy. Just accept that you got it wrong. Despite knowing about the ‘culture of critique’ you got taken in. The show was so well crafted you wanted to believe that this time it would be different. It’s not the end of the world.

    Ah, okay, now it makes sense. Thanks for unpacking, Matra.

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  156. Out of left field, but:
    “Jew boys” = antisemitism
    “Black boy” to refer to adult blacks = racism
    “White boy” to refer to adult whites = the prevailing standard.

    This is the problem with using others people’s weaknesses (imperfections, really) as a political weapon against them – not to mention punishing them for things they did not do: Eventually some of the targets will notice then start using your people’s weak points to retaliate against.

    Wrong wrong WRONG! Eventually some of the targets will notice how envious they are of the Ubermensch, and begin to resent them. Get your Narrative straight, will you?

    Speaking of splendorous shrubbery, the infantilization of America seems to have included getting rid of all the pubic hair.

    It’s making a comeback.

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  157. @Matra
    You are the only one fuming. Every time Mad Men and Weiner come up you get testy. Just accept that you got it wrong. Despite knowing about the 'culture of critique' you got taken in. The show was so well crafted you wanted to believe that this time it would be different. It's not the end of the world.

    Hardly. I’ve been a vocal critic of the show for its past four seasons. I’m not a fan of Weiner, but Sailer’s obsession with him is particularly transparent.

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  158. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Having it both ways isn't necessarily a bad thing in art.

    “Having it both ways isn’t necessarily a bad thing in art.”

    It depends.

    Art that sees both sides of the issue is different from art that panders to both sides of the issue.

    One is thoughtful, the other is merely cynical and manipulative.

    American Sniper is the former kind. It is thoughtful as both ‘patriotic movie’ and ‘anti-war film’.

    Mad Men is dishonest through and through.

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  159. @yaqub the mad scientist
    I was hanging out with a Jewish friend the other day. He comes from the solid German/Bavarian/Alsatian set that arrived in heartland river towns during the general first large German immigration of the 1840's-1850's. They were a different set than the more "eastern" group that came later, and he knows it, but is reluctant to say it. He's keenly aware of this sort of thing, as I am. I pointed out how the Midwest, and especially the South, was very welcoming at that time. (My little farm town even had two synagogues.) I remember a Paul Gottfried article that discussed this difference.

    For me, if you wanted to really explain the ethno-intellectual "waves" that made this country, the first would be whatever Albion's seed taxonomy you wish, but basically a British founding. The second is the German heartland arrival (I'd definitely add the German Jews as a part of that) with the Ohio Hegelians , the Communist Prussian Civil War General August Willich , the assorted health food/nature/holistic utopian stuff that Steve alludes to occasionally, and the the strong influence on American education. The third wave is the Ashkenazi thing that, well, a good chunk of the Steveosphere is concerned with.

    I wouldn’t leave out the African impact.

    It’s different in some ways than the others, but their stamp on the culture is enormous (for better or worse) America just wouldn’t be anything like the country it is today without its black population.

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  160. […] We couldn’t buy houses in the whitest neighborhoods. […]

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