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Movies in Hollywood’s Golden Age (c. 1939) tended to be aimed primarily at female audiences: e.g., Gone With the Wind. For example, my mother and Aunt Kay took the streetcar to the movies several times per week in St. Paul, MN back then. The right of young women to go where they wanted to was a high priority in America.

As street crime rose in the 1960s and 1970s, however, the female audience tended to stay home and watch television instead. In the 1970s, movies became increasingly aimed at male audiences, such as Jaws and Star Wars. There are a lot of reasons for this trend, but a big one was the decline in female freedom to leave the house in safety at night during the Warren Court liberal era.

Commenter Anonas notes that Tocqueville observed the traditional American concern for female freedom of movement:

Some thoughts from Tocqueville about the historic American view of severity in criminal punishment as tied to women’s freedom and respect:

The legislators of the United States, who have mitigated almost all the penalties of criminal law, still make rape a capital offense, and no crime is visited with more inexorable severity by public opinion. This may be accounted for; as the Americans can conceive nothing more precious than a woman’s honor and nothing which ought so much to be respected as her independence, they hold that no punishment is too severe for the man who deprives her of them against her will. In France, where the same offense is visited with far milder penalties, it is frequently difficult to get a verdict from a jury against the prisoner. Is this a consequence of contempt of decency or contempt of women? I cannot but believe that it is a contempt of both…..

He also remarks about how women are able to travel alone safely in the US, a striking example of how women’s rights are enforced on every level of society. This was 1830.

Now it is widely proclaimed by respectable voices such as Hillary and Jeb that the hard fought gains against street crime of recent decades were the manifestation of irrational bigotry.

Also, besides letting criminals out of jail, let’s import a lot Muslims. What could possibly go wrong?

 
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  1. The negative effects of third-world immigration on American and European women’s rights and freedoms, including the right to walk up the street without being constantly harassed, is something that is rarely mentioned in the debate about immigration but women need to start waking up about this very real threat to their rights.

    Women also need to understand that in the political correctness pecking order, third-world male immigrants take priority over women and therefore in any case where there is a conflict between what the male immigrants want and what is best for women, the male immigrants will win, with the full support of the government and the media. This, I believe, can already be seen in the UK, Germany and Sweden.

  2. Also, besides letting criminals out of jail, let’s import a lot Muslims. What could possibly go wrong?

    Criminals tend to commit lots of crimes. If they are put in prison, the crime rate goes down. Liberals sometimes stumble onto the arrow of causality when they say things like “why are we incarcerating so many people when the crime rate is low”. Michelle Alexander seems to be up there with Genius T. Coates in the pantheon of great liberal thinkers. Her ideas are the new conventional wisdom among good-thinking elites, and libertarian republicans like Rand Paul and the Koch brothers seem to be using this as an opportunity to show that they’re not one of the bad whites. Like immigration, once again there seems to be a dangerous aliance of SJWs and libertarians.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    Trump goes against the libertardian worldview on the two issues you mentioned (crime and open borders), as well as on a third one: protectionism. Even if he loses in November, I think it's very cool that libertardianism was soundly defeated in this year's GOP primary.
  3. It’s interesting to watch pictures from the golden age and see how many things women do that would be illegal or a scandal worthy of honor-killing in the Muslim world in 2016. Women in Noir are particularly liberated.

    On the other hand, you can also see where it’s headed. I tell you, one thing about ‘Submission’ is that the reversal of many of feminism’s ‘achievements’ is quite appealing.

    That book is very unsettling, and I don’t mean that in the way SJWs do.

    I mean, Say what you want about the tenets of political Islam, at least it’s an ethos…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    But accepting Islam as the dominant ethos in the West would come at a great price. Among other things, you would have to say good-bye to free inquiry, representational art, and alcohol.
    , @iSteveFan

    It’s interesting to watch pictures from the golden age and see how many things women do that would be illegal or a scandal worthy of honor-
     
    Sayyid Qutb, a leading member of the muslim brotherhood, spent two years in America in the late 1940s. Here are some choice quotes of his experiences:

    He was appalled by what he perceived as loose sexual openness of American men and women (a far cry from his home of Musha, Asyut). This American experience was for him a fine-tuning of his Islamic identity.

    ....

    the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs – and she shows all this and does not hide it
     
  4. @anon930

    Also, besides letting criminals out of jail, let’s import a lot Muslims. What could possibly go wrong?
     
    Criminals tend to commit lots of crimes. If they are put in prison, the crime rate goes down. Liberals sometimes stumble onto the arrow of causality when they say things like "why are we incarcerating so many people when the crime rate is low". Michelle Alexander seems to be up there with Genius T. Coates in the pantheon of great liberal thinkers. Her ideas are the new conventional wisdom among good-thinking elites, and libertarian republicans like Rand Paul and the Koch brothers seem to be using this as an opportunity to show that they're not one of the bad whites. Like immigration, once again there seems to be a dangerous aliance of SJWs and libertarians.

    Trump goes against the libertardian worldview on the two issues you mentioned (crime and open borders), as well as on a third one: protectionism. Even if he loses in November, I think it’s very cool that libertardianism was soundly defeated in this year’s GOP primary.

  5. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    It's interesting to watch pictures from the golden age and see how many things women do that would be illegal or a scandal worthy of honor-killing in the Muslim world in 2016. Women in Noir are particularly liberated.

    On the other hand, you can also see where it's headed. I tell you, one thing about 'Submission' is that the reversal of many of feminism's 'achievements' is quite appealing.

    That book is very unsettling, and I don't mean that in the way SJWs do.

    I mean, Say what you want about the tenets of political Islam, at least it's an ethos...

    But accepting Islam as the dominant ethos in the West would come at a great price. Among other things, you would have to say good-bye to free inquiry, representational art, and alcohol.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I am not an advocate for adopting Islam.

    But that's the thing about the book: the converts still drink alcohol, and instead of representational art they have Islamic calligraphy and photos of deep space on the walls of the same beautiful Parisian mansions. Women all lose their jobs overnight, but 'unemployment' disappears and men are paid much more, only now with the option of several wives, including wives much younger than presently approved of in the West. They very quickly adjust to wearing a version of Islamic dress in the street. It all happens rather easily but with small changes, disappearing kosher sections in the grocery, a crescent on the University entrance but the same security guard. Some background violence most people aren't involved with. It's horrifying but you can absolutely see it happening.

    'Submission' is phenomenal. It will stay with you for weeks.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "you would have to say good-bye to free inquiry, representational art, and alcohol."
     
    Well, PC is already finishing off free inquiry, what has representational art produced lately? and I wouldn't miss alcohol, even if it were not still consumed in Muslim countries. So, no real down sides there.

    On the up side, extra wives/concubines, reestablished patriarchy, legitimate family life, and leftism, feminism and other false dogmas all cease to exist overnight.

    So this Islam stuff is looking better and better.
  6. Re: Women at the movies.

    I suppose that was true. I was drinking one night and fell asleep with my arm draped over the back of my chair. When I awoke it was completely numb and I called my doctor the next morning as it still was numb. Since it was my left arm he insisted I go to the emergency room. I went and the ER doctor said I had ‘Saturday Night Palsy’, so named because men used to get it on Saturday nights at movie theaters from draping their arm around their dates. The arm will stay numb for several days too!

  7. He also remarks about how women are able to travel alone safely in the US, a striking example of how women’s rights are enforced on every level of society. This was 1830.

    1830 is not all that long after the French Revolution, in which the very French idea of chivalry died a quick death. Prior to the revolution, French men were sometimes murdered for as little as questioning the honor of ladies.

    De Tocqueville seems to have had sentimental feelings about chivalry, as a lot of French did in his day. Perhaps he saw how some of the old honor codes remained in America, in the South in particular, and found this favorable in comparison to his much changed homeland.

    Women’s security and liberty may be a reasonable goal, but when it is enforced with such ferocity men eventually rebel, and for good reason: they often find themselves subjects of the women being “protected,” and a woman in authority can be a terrible tyrant to men (not to mention her children).

    By the way, chivalry – including the female-worshipping part – was partly borrowed from Muslims during the Crusades. Even today Muslims honestly think they honor Muslim women much more than we do our own.

  8. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Story_(1970_film)

    Before TV, serialized movies or theme movies like Cary Grant/Audrey Hepburn’s screwball comedies targeted the future soap opera viewers.

  9. @Anonymous
    But accepting Islam as the dominant ethos in the West would come at a great price. Among other things, you would have to say good-bye to free inquiry, representational art, and alcohol.

    I am not an advocate for adopting Islam.

    But that’s the thing about the book: the converts still drink alcohol, and instead of representational art they have Islamic calligraphy and photos of deep space on the walls of the same beautiful Parisian mansions. Women all lose their jobs overnight, but ‘unemployment’ disappears and men are paid much more, only now with the option of several wives, including wives much younger than presently approved of in the West. They very quickly adjust to wearing a version of Islamic dress in the street. It all happens rather easily but with small changes, disappearing kosher sections in the grocery, a crescent on the University entrance but the same security guard. Some background violence most people aren’t involved with. It’s horrifying but you can absolutely see it happening.

    ‘Submission’ is phenomenal. It will stay with you for weeks.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    Yes, 'Submission' is kind of scarily plausible in just about every respect....And we wouldn't have to listen to feminists any more, LOL.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Mr. Houellebecq is a prophet.

    Soumission is genius that he merely uses Islam as a foil to show how degenerate and ripe for collapse the west is. In that book the Muslim candidate for President is actually portrayed quite positively.... the spineless secular French, not so much.

  10. My last few comments have disappeared into the ether, so this will be my last if it doesn’t get through.

    If current trends continue, women will not be voting in what used to be called “Western” countries in 50-75 years. Muslims do not need to be the majority to accomplish this. A Muslim population of 15-20% that is willing to throw acid in the faces of women who vote, drive, or dress immodestly will essentially eliminate those rights defacto, without the tiresome squabbles involved in dejure changes.

    Women currently are facing two choices for the future, unless the West wakes up ( and Women are doing their best to ensure it never does until it’s too late): Do they wish to be ruled by Africans or Muslims? Neither will be very pleasant for them.

    Women’s suffrage will likely turn out to be a short-lived social experiment that didn’t turn out to have staying power. I expect female sexual freedom will die with it as well.

    Much like the communes of the Utopian Socialists in the mid to late 1800’s.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    True. But the Utopian communes were things that could never have been sustained and failed from the inside. With modern western societies, we had something that could have lasted, and we're throwing it away. The one most productive change that feminists could bring about, if they really had women's interests at heart, would be to stop non-white immigration. It would eliminate a whole list of dangers and impediments to women at a stroke.
    , @Lurker
    I like to point out to SJWs that whatever happens - they will lose.

    If we win, then they won't get the 3rd world demographics and tranny safe spaces they want.

    If they win, 3rd world demographics will destroy everything they claim to hold dear.
    , @Wency
    Women still have the vote in Turkey, albeit with some abuses (e.g., men going into the booth with their wives). Nonetheless, it appears they support Erdogan's Islamist party to a greater degree than the men.

    I wouldn't expect American women to de facto or de jure lose the vote, except perhaps in Islamist neighborhoods, until after our republic has ceased to exist.

    If Muslims are throwing acid in the faces of non-Muslim women with regularity and the authorities will do nothing, then people will create space from them, one way or another. It's not within the scope of things that human beings can long tolerate. Muslim attacks on Muslim women, however, will be shown much more tolerance.
  11. This shows the incoherence of this idea of “social justice”: The different groups which feel victimized by “society” have conflicting grievances that they can’t reconcile.

    Despite the Manosphere’s propaganda about how our society has become a matriarchy, the facts show that women’s safety assumes a lower priority than the elites’ project of letting feral men run rampant, and adding to their numbers by opening the borders to the world’s diversity trash.

    Too bad this part of the Alt Right’s philosophy has gotten noised up by the trolls with their stupid frog cartoons and caricatures of repulsive-looking Jews. As I’ve spammed a lot of sites lately, I keep pointing to the real signal in the Alt Right’s message: The Alt Right has rediscovered and articulated for our generation the tragic nature of the human condition. Compared with the childish utopian nonsense promoted as our society’s official world view, at least some figures on the Alt Right sound like responsible, experienced, mature adults who show awareness of the enduring wisdom of man.

  12. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I am not an advocate for adopting Islam.

    But that's the thing about the book: the converts still drink alcohol, and instead of representational art they have Islamic calligraphy and photos of deep space on the walls of the same beautiful Parisian mansions. Women all lose their jobs overnight, but 'unemployment' disappears and men are paid much more, only now with the option of several wives, including wives much younger than presently approved of in the West. They very quickly adjust to wearing a version of Islamic dress in the street. It all happens rather easily but with small changes, disappearing kosher sections in the grocery, a crescent on the University entrance but the same security guard. Some background violence most people aren't involved with. It's horrifying but you can absolutely see it happening.

    'Submission' is phenomenal. It will stay with you for weeks.

    Yes, ‘Submission’ is kind of scarily plausible in just about every respect….And we wouldn’t have to listen to feminists any more, LOL.

  13. Part of the reason for ensuring women’s freedom of roaming was so they could go out and buy things, i.e. their favorite thing to do. Daylight savings time was another prong in this $!%&# consumerist policy.

  14. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I am not an advocate for adopting Islam.

    But that's the thing about the book: the converts still drink alcohol, and instead of representational art they have Islamic calligraphy and photos of deep space on the walls of the same beautiful Parisian mansions. Women all lose their jobs overnight, but 'unemployment' disappears and men are paid much more, only now with the option of several wives, including wives much younger than presently approved of in the West. They very quickly adjust to wearing a version of Islamic dress in the street. It all happens rather easily but with small changes, disappearing kosher sections in the grocery, a crescent on the University entrance but the same security guard. Some background violence most people aren't involved with. It's horrifying but you can absolutely see it happening.

    'Submission' is phenomenal. It will stay with you for weeks.

    Mr. Houellebecq is a prophet.

    Soumission is genius that he merely uses Islam as a foil to show how degenerate and ripe for collapse the west is. In that book the Muslim candidate for President is actually portrayed quite positively…. the spineless secular French, not so much.

  15. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    It's interesting to watch pictures from the golden age and see how many things women do that would be illegal or a scandal worthy of honor-killing in the Muslim world in 2016. Women in Noir are particularly liberated.

    On the other hand, you can also see where it's headed. I tell you, one thing about 'Submission' is that the reversal of many of feminism's 'achievements' is quite appealing.

    That book is very unsettling, and I don't mean that in the way SJWs do.

    I mean, Say what you want about the tenets of political Islam, at least it's an ethos...

    It’s interesting to watch pictures from the golden age and see how many things women do that would be illegal or a scandal worthy of honor-

    Sayyid Qutb, a leading member of the muslim brotherhood, spent two years in America in the late 1940s. Here are some choice quotes of his experiences:

    He was appalled by what he perceived as loose sexual openness of American men and women (a far cry from his home of Musha, Asyut). This American experience was for him a fine-tuning of his Islamic identity.

    ….

    the American girl is well acquainted with her body’s seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs – and she shows all this and does not hide it

  16. @Charlesz Martel
    My last few comments have disappeared into the ether, so this will be my last if it doesn't get through.

    If current trends continue, women will not be voting in what used to be called "Western" countries in 50-75 years. Muslims do not need to be the majority to accomplish this. A Muslim population of 15-20% that is willing to throw acid in the faces of women who vote, drive, or dress immodestly will essentially eliminate those rights defacto, without the tiresome squabbles involved in dejure changes.

    Women currently are facing two choices for the future, unless the West wakes up ( and Women are doing their best to ensure it never does until it's too late): Do they wish to be ruled by Africans or Muslims? Neither will be very pleasant for them.

    Women's suffrage will likely turn out to be a short-lived social experiment that didn't turn out to have staying power. I expect female sexual freedom will die with it as well.

    Much like the communes of the Utopian Socialists in the mid to late 1800's.

    True. But the Utopian communes were things that could never have been sustained and failed from the inside. With modern western societies, we had something that could have lasted, and we’re throwing it away. The one most productive change that feminists could bring about, if they really had women’s interests at heart, would be to stop non-white immigration. It would eliminate a whole list of dangers and impediments to women at a stroke.

  17. It must be remembered that, as Nathaniel P. Willis said, a lady in American society could do no wrong, for the women of the United States were superior to the men, physically, intellectually and morally

    The American husband, as Mrs. Houstoun wrote in 1850, was “merely the medium through which dollars find their way into the milliners’ shop in exchange for caps and bonnets.”

    http://www.angryharry.com/reTheAmericanWoman.htm

  18. @Charlesz Martel
    My last few comments have disappeared into the ether, so this will be my last if it doesn't get through.

    If current trends continue, women will not be voting in what used to be called "Western" countries in 50-75 years. Muslims do not need to be the majority to accomplish this. A Muslim population of 15-20% that is willing to throw acid in the faces of women who vote, drive, or dress immodestly will essentially eliminate those rights defacto, without the tiresome squabbles involved in dejure changes.

    Women currently are facing two choices for the future, unless the West wakes up ( and Women are doing their best to ensure it never does until it's too late): Do they wish to be ruled by Africans or Muslims? Neither will be very pleasant for them.

    Women's suffrage will likely turn out to be a short-lived social experiment that didn't turn out to have staying power. I expect female sexual freedom will die with it as well.

    Much like the communes of the Utopian Socialists in the mid to late 1800's.

    I like to point out to SJWs that whatever happens – they will lose.

    If we win, then they won’t get the 3rd world demographics and tranny safe spaces they want.

    If they win, 3rd world demographics will destroy everything they claim to hold dear.

  19. @Charlesz Martel
    My last few comments have disappeared into the ether, so this will be my last if it doesn't get through.

    If current trends continue, women will not be voting in what used to be called "Western" countries in 50-75 years. Muslims do not need to be the majority to accomplish this. A Muslim population of 15-20% that is willing to throw acid in the faces of women who vote, drive, or dress immodestly will essentially eliminate those rights defacto, without the tiresome squabbles involved in dejure changes.

    Women currently are facing two choices for the future, unless the West wakes up ( and Women are doing their best to ensure it never does until it's too late): Do they wish to be ruled by Africans or Muslims? Neither will be very pleasant for them.

    Women's suffrage will likely turn out to be a short-lived social experiment that didn't turn out to have staying power. I expect female sexual freedom will die with it as well.

    Much like the communes of the Utopian Socialists in the mid to late 1800's.

    Women still have the vote in Turkey, albeit with some abuses (e.g., men going into the booth with their wives). Nonetheless, it appears they support Erdogan’s Islamist party to a greater degree than the men.

    I wouldn’t expect American women to de facto or de jure lose the vote, except perhaps in Islamist neighborhoods, until after our republic has ceased to exist.

    If Muslims are throwing acid in the faces of non-Muslim women with regularity and the authorities will do nothing, then people will create space from them, one way or another. It’s not within the scope of things that human beings can long tolerate. Muslim attacks on Muslim women, however, will be shown much more tolerance.

  20. Mark Twain wrote that men treated women with respect on American streets, but approached and catcalled them in Europe, and he meant London as well as Rome.

  21. @Anonymous
    But accepting Islam as the dominant ethos in the West would come at a great price. Among other things, you would have to say good-bye to free inquiry, representational art, and alcohol.

    “you would have to say good-bye to free inquiry, representational art, and alcohol.”

    Well, PC is already finishing off free inquiry, what has representational art produced lately? and I wouldn’t miss alcohol, even if it were not still consumed in Muslim countries. So, no real down sides there.

    On the up side, extra wives/concubines, reestablished patriarchy, legitimate family life, and leftism, feminism and other false dogmas all cease to exist overnight.

    So this Islam stuff is looking better and better.

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