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Zach Goldberg offers useful charts. First among white men, in answer to the question “In general, would you describe yourself as …”

Then among white women:

 
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  1. Women are from Pluto, men are from Goofy.

    • Replies: @reactionry
    [Reg Caesar: As was said in the 60's, "That was 'heavy' so thanks for the heavy petting!]

    From The Iliad's Catalogue of Quips:

    Women are from Penelope, Homers are from Plutonium

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Homer+Simpson+plutonium&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=zAfTwEDRTikQPM%253A%252C-4DvT44QRYLeXM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kTY72dvDTRhAiRqAFZIq1qhDW89WQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA4pPS2YrgAhWJpYMKHZrrB_4Q9QEwBHoECAMQDA&biw=1130&bih=760#imgrc=os-P-c5f4MYCrM:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalogue_of_Ships

  2. I’m confused. Sailer once referred to himself as a ‘dweeb’. Does that mean he’s a closet lib?

  3. I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, “somewhat womanly or feminine” red bar. My first guess on that is it includes the far-out, hippy chicks. Many of them are as far left as one could go, but they are really just about having a good time, and they need to show off their goodies to do so.* As seen below, these are not the women you’ll see at the pussy-hat marches.

    (Yeah, so this is from 50 years ago, what of it?)

    I wonder why they didn’t split the men’s graph into the 4 ranges, as with the women’s.

    .

    * Plus, the health food helps immensely, at least with the physical aspect of femininity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    In addition to "far out hippy chicks", we also need to consider the considerable number of young women who go into "helping professions" like nursing, teaching, etc. Many of them would in earlier decades be decent Christian wives and mothers. They aren't the sort wearing "pussy hats" and holding "White Genocide Now" posters, but they have been indoctrinated by SJWism and think "conservatives" care mostly about money, easily give in to hate, and don't care about the environment.
    , @AnotherDad

    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, “somewhat womanly or feminine” red bar.
     
    The two relationships aren't synonymous or symmetric.

    You have ideology and personal orientation--including quality of mind. There are plenty of not very feminine--bitchy, unpleasant--women on the left.

    But in fact, most of the behavior of these women is stereotypically feminine:
    -- emotion driven
    -- prioritizing "nurturing"
    -- conforming to the narrative
    -- anti-rational

    As Anonymous notes, a bunch of these "liberal" women are in the helping professions. Their nurturing instincts have been redirected from a positive one--having and raising their children--to a negative one, fixing the evils perpetrated by the white partiarchy.

    They are just a bright underlining of two problems:
    -- the feminine virtues are not suited to the political sphere, but to the domestic one;
    -- when your culture/society is hijacked by a hostile other, you're in deep shit, because your women rather than conforming to ideology and mores that helps conserve your nation, conform to an ideology and mores that help tear it down.
    , @Marty
    In '95 I was in a relationship with a former model who had a sensibility like that of the woman in the video, though she was in her '40's by then. Called herself a "humanist." One day I was listening to a radio roundtable on the Simpson trial, in which the chief trial deputy of the San Francisco Public Defender's Office was detailing problems with the prosecution's case, when they took a call from a woman. She started reaming the guy out for his insensitivity to women, how she had experience with men like Simpson, and he was Guilty, Guilty GUILTY!" It was my girlfriend.
    , @jb
    I don't think your video is 50 years old. Here is the same girl on the same stage, but the note says the video was recorded in 2009. Some sort of hippie reenactment I suppose -- is that a thing now? :-(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65RisQW5bs

    , @AndrewR
    Yeah, jb is right. Just because it says "summer of '69" doesn't mean it's from then. I think that term only became a big thing years later. I was guessing this video is from the last five or ten years.
    , @warriorhun
    Hippie chicks are the best.
    I say this as a right wing reactionary.
    Hippie chick appreciation is a must if we want to be honest with ourselves.
  4. • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    another humorless lecture consisting of half-truths, composed by half-wits
  5. Conservative women are more feminine than liberal womyn?

    Next you’re gonna tell us the sea lies below the clouds.

    • Replies: @anon
    thats how they think of themselves
    women who think of themselves the most feminine are the most conservative as expected
    but the noise is telling us that no matter what, all women like to think of themselves as feminine, how we would describe them is another story.
    But lets not forget women are more social status conscious so while its easier for an alpha woman which would be a beautiful feminine woman to be a contrarian socially as alt right women tend to demonstrate its not a feminine trait to be contrarian women naturally conform. so youre going to see a cognitive dissonance in feminine women of whether to conform to alpha males they actually know or the greater zeitgeist, you'll probably find feminine women in areas of masculine men are more conservative and in areas of feminine men more liberal.
    whats scary is how many men are willing to describe themselves as not masculine, of course their a spectrum and some self awareness and male tolerance of the spectrum is healthy but such a large percentage of men seemingly comfortable being feminine is disturbing
    , @dfordoom

    Conservative women are more feminine than liberal womyn?

    Next you’re gonna tell us the sea lies below the clouds.
     
    It would have been much more interesting to see a breakdown by age.
  6. What’s the point of the story? That liberals don’t like traditional sex roles?

    No kidding! Or is it that liberals aren’t very sexy? Hmm…

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Or is it that liberals aren’t very sexy? Hmm…
     
    I do think conservative or traditional women are sexier and more beautiful. Compare that Alabama sorority video from a few years ago to any women coming out of Berkeley.

    There also seems to be more sexual dimorphism among conservatives than liberals.
  7. @Reg Cæsar
    Women are from Pluto, men are from Goofy.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zQ-Rs8HwOk
  8. • Replies: @Spaulding Smails
    The most remarkable thing about Yggy Pop’s career is the ceaselessness and constancy of his physical deterioration. Just when you think the guy can’t possibly look any dumpier...same goes for Nate Silver, now that I think about it. It’s like there’s a potato blight going around but it’s for left-of-center wonks instead. This is not something I’m necessarily opposed to happening, for the record.

    The prevalency of self-classifying oneself as a tomboy is fascinating, though. I’d like to propose an obverse to Sailer’s maxim about M-to-F trannies tending to be aggressive, masculine, cerebral types: the F-to-Ms are ludicrously feminine in conduct and mindset. Far from being masculine in conduct they’re exaggeratedly meek, shy, and generally submissive (generally and, well, sexually). I’ve lived in a couple of liberal hipster-havens (Boulder and Austin, to name a few) where trannies of ever stripe are a dime a dozen and I’ve noticed this again and again and again. The only thing boyish about them is that they tend to have epicene physiques (and haircuts to match, but that’s by choice). Could it be that the face that when all the other girls were developing curves while they remained (to quote the zen poets Beavis and Butt-Head) flat cause them to self-identify as tomboys and, by extension in the current year, trans?

    , @Arclight
    I am shocked and amazed that Yglesias successfully mated.
  9. Sorry, but I don’t get this at all. Are you asking if we find any particular people masculine or feminine? Are we being asked if we prefer masculine or feminine people?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Compare the previous work of this guy. He's demonstrating that physiology is meaningful, he's matching a person's appearance (masculine, etc) with their ideology, and showing a strong correlation between evil and ugliness. Maybe beauty will save the world.
  10. So this is nearly a bearing out of the Sailer Law of Female Journalism: if you were pretty, you wouldn’t worry about the Labor Theory of Value or how many white men are honored for accomplishments.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Speaking of laws, has "It's always about the hair" been codified yet?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-46950952

    'I'm mixed-race, is Cambridge University right for me?'

    ... I also took it up with my mixed-heritage girlfriends. We're used to swapping notes about being in the minority - we go to school in Kent, after all: we notice that we get labelled as bossy and loud when we're just confident and outspoken; we share comments about our hair. (I have to give a special mention here to my white friend who, for the first three years that we knew each other, thought that I curled my hair every morning.)
     
  11. @Old fogey
    Sorry, but I don't get this at all. Are you asking if we find any particular people masculine or feminine? Are we being asked if we prefer masculine or feminine people?

    Compare the previous work of this guy. He’s demonstrating that physiology is meaningful, he’s matching a person’s appearance (masculine, etc) with their ideology, and showing a strong correlation between evil and ugliness. Maybe beauty will save the world.

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    Thank you for your explanation. I did not realize that there was an issue over truth and beauty versus lies and ugliness. Such things have always seemed self-evident to me.
  12. • Replies: @Anon
    Guy who actually raped a comatose woman: DGAF. "It's all cool yo."

    Cuck white who happened to hold a position of authority at the hospital who touched a woman's butt once: "I'm so sorry I'll never do it again!! Here have my job!"

    When are white men going to realize that the rest of society views them with contempt, and no amount of cucking will ever be enough? Why should we play by the rules when everyone else does whatever the hell they want?

  13. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, "somewhat womanly or feminine" red bar. My first guess on that is it includes the far-out, hippy chicks. Many of them are as far left as one could go, but they are really just about having a good time, and they need to show off their goodies to do so.* As seen below, these are not the women you'll see at the pussy-hat marches.

    (Yeah, so this is from 50 years ago, what of it?)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqCY3U4k3A

    I wonder why they didn't split the men's graph into the 4 ranges, as with the women's.

    .

    * Plus, the health food helps immensely, at least with the physical aspect of femininity.

    In addition to “far out hippy chicks”, we also need to consider the considerable number of young women who go into “helping professions” like nursing, teaching, etc. Many of them would in earlier decades be decent Christian wives and mothers. They aren’t the sort wearing “pussy hats” and holding “White Genocide Now” posters, but they have been indoctrinated by SJWism and think “conservatives” care mostly about money, easily give in to hate, and don’t care about the environment.

  14. @J.Ross
    Compare the previous work of this guy. He's demonstrating that physiology is meaningful, he's matching a person's appearance (masculine, etc) with their ideology, and showing a strong correlation between evil and ugliness. Maybe beauty will save the world.

    Thank you for your explanation. I did not realize that there was an issue over truth and beauty versus lies and ugliness. Such things have always seemed self-evident to me.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This guy has done this type of thing before, and Steve has written about it. It appears to be reliably borne out by the data.
  15. @Old fogey
    Thank you for your explanation. I did not realize that there was an issue over truth and beauty versus lies and ugliness. Such things have always seemed self-evident to me.

    This guy has done this type of thing before, and Steve has written about it. It appears to be reliably borne out by the data.

  16. Anon[849] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna
    Speaking of! Breaking news, they found a white guy to blame it on

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6634093/Nurse-arrested-comatose-birth-voluntarily-gives-nursing-license.html

    Guy who actually raped a comatose woman: DGAF. “It’s all cool yo.”

    Cuck white who happened to hold a position of authority at the hospital who touched a woman’s butt once: “I’m so sorry I’ll never do it again!! Here have my job!”

    When are white men going to realize that the rest of society views them with contempt, and no amount of cucking will ever be enough? Why should we play by the rules when everyone else does whatever the hell they want?

  17. Why is there a higher proportion of very unfeminine moderate women than liberal women?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Moderate compared to their friends.
    , @S. Anonyia
    Because women who don't identify strongly with any particular ideology are individualistic rather than group oriented, which is way rarer among women than men. I suspect more men than women describe themselves as moderate in the first place.

    Also I am not sure liberal women are really as masculine as they describe themselves. Loud mouthed and socially assertive, sure. But are those traits even "masculine?" For instance, how would they fare doing physical labor, being subjected to a demanding boss or assignment, reacting to a crisis situation etc. I think they'd probably break into crying or melt down faster than moderate or even self-described "very feminine" conservative women.
  18. IT ISN’T CLEAR WHAT IS BEING MEASURED. SAILER HAS LEFT OFF THE QUESTION. ON ZACH GOLDBERG’S SITE, IT READS: “In general, would you describe yourself as … “

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Good point there, Mr. Bungay (really?) about exactly how the numbers are obtained and exactly how questions in the survey are worded. One can make a survey to prove anything, if one is good at making multiple choice questions.
    , @Old fogey
    Many thanks. Now I understand what the numbers represent.
    , @J.Ross
    That's pretty much what I assumed the prompt was given the criteria. Also, your caps lock is on.
  19. @DFH
    Why is there a higher proportion of very unfeminine moderate women than liberal women?

    Moderate compared to their friends.

  20. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    So this is nearly a bearing out of the Sailer Law of Female Journalism: if you were pretty, you wouldn't worry about the Labor Theory of Value or how many white men are honored for accomplishments.

    Speaking of laws, has “It’s always about the hair” been codified yet?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-46950952

    ‘I’m mixed-race, is Cambridge University right for me?’

    … I also took it up with my mixed-heritage girlfriends. We’re used to swapping notes about being in the minority – we go to school in Kent, after all: we notice that we get labelled as bossy and loud when we’re just confident and outspoken; we share comments about our hair. (I have to give a special mention here to my white friend who, for the first three years that we knew each other, thought that I curled my hair every morning.)

  21. @Tiny Duck
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wti3_cXeF4k

    another humorless lecture consisting of half-truths, composed by half-wits

    • Replies: @jon
    You watched, and then responded to, a video posted by an unfunny troll. Three demerits to you.
  22. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses
    Conservative women are more feminine than liberal womyn?

    Next you're gonna tell us the sea lies below the clouds.

    thats how they think of themselves
    women who think of themselves the most feminine are the most conservative as expected
    but the noise is telling us that no matter what, all women like to think of themselves as feminine, how we would describe them is another story.
    But lets not forget women are more social status conscious so while its easier for an alpha woman which would be a beautiful feminine woman to be a contrarian socially as alt right women tend to demonstrate its not a feminine trait to be contrarian women naturally conform. so youre going to see a cognitive dissonance in feminine women of whether to conform to alpha males they actually know or the greater zeitgeist, you’ll probably find feminine women in areas of masculine men are more conservative and in areas of feminine men more liberal.
    whats scary is how many men are willing to describe themselves as not masculine, of course their a spectrum and some self awareness and male tolerance of the spectrum is healthy but such a large percentage of men seemingly comfortable being feminine is disturbing

  23. This rings more or less true. When I was a young Democratic congressional aide and we’d go to various receptions/bars where staff from both parties would be present, guys from the Dem staffs would often comment on the fact that the young women in our offices were on average a lot less attractive than the GOP ones.

    I’ve never been around a right-leaning political rally, but I have been near major left-wing ones. There are usually a lot of women who go out of their way not to look too feminine.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    It's hard to be both angry and pretty.

    That said, most women who get into the political scene, from what I've seen, aren't terribly girly. Girly usually means primarily concerned with the externals of femininity, like clothing, hair, nails, makeup. Right wing women are more into efficiency and do the minimum necessary on those topics.

    Of course, there are the types that are into politics because they want to snag a powerful husband. And often, women themselves couldn't tell you how all their own motivations shake out.

    Personally, I'm in the white woman box under the green 5.7%, and that's being pretty generous. I'm enjoying Steve's tweet on the sidebar about supermodels being tomboys as youths. Well, that was me all the way. How come I didn't turn into a supermodel?
  24. @Moses
    Conservative women are more feminine than liberal womyn?

    Next you're gonna tell us the sea lies below the clouds.

    Conservative women are more feminine than liberal womyn?

    Next you’re gonna tell us the sea lies below the clouds.

    It would have been much more interesting to see a breakdown by age.

  25. If you self-report that you’re a manly man, you must be… right?

  26. I swear, you can often detect the difference in men’s voices. I don’t mean a lisp, and it is not foolproof, but there is a difference in pitch. Add in patterns of speech and it is much more definitive proxy of politics.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Agreed.

    Often combined with Australian/Estuary English tendencies to convert statements to QUESTIONS?

    And far gone junkies and aspiring déclassé guys nasalise.
  27. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, "somewhat womanly or feminine" red bar. My first guess on that is it includes the far-out, hippy chicks. Many of them are as far left as one could go, but they are really just about having a good time, and they need to show off their goodies to do so.* As seen below, these are not the women you'll see at the pussy-hat marches.

    (Yeah, so this is from 50 years ago, what of it?)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqCY3U4k3A

    I wonder why they didn't split the men's graph into the 4 ranges, as with the women's.

    .

    * Plus, the health food helps immensely, at least with the physical aspect of femininity.

    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, “somewhat womanly or feminine” red bar.

    The two relationships aren’t synonymous or symmetric.

    You have ideology and personal orientation–including quality of mind. There are plenty of not very feminine–bitchy, unpleasant–women on the left.

    But in fact, most of the behavior of these women is stereotypically feminine:
    — emotion driven
    — prioritizing “nurturing”
    — conforming to the narrative
    — anti-rational

    As Anonymous notes, a bunch of these “liberal” women are in the helping professions. Their nurturing instincts have been redirected from a positive one–having and raising their children–to a negative one, fixing the evils perpetrated by the white partiarchy.

    They are just a bright underlining of two problems:
    — the feminine virtues are not suited to the political sphere, but to the domestic one;
    — when your culture/society is hijacked by a hostile other, you’re in deep shit, because your women rather than conforming to ideology and mores that helps conserve your nation, conform to an ideology and mores that help tear it down.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED!

    Very good points, A.D., as usual!

    Just to add one thing here to your point about the feminine virtues being directed to the political sphere, do you not think 50 years of welfare socialism is part of the problem? (I ask that to the other readers, as I believe you'd agree, AD.)

    If Big-Daddy State were not there for women to run to when they are not "fulfilled" in their marriages, per Cosmo articles, then they would have to act like woman do in a decent society. There would be much more incentive for them to put their nurturing instincts and energy into the domestic sphere. That also goes for the single women who have The State ready at hand to help raise their children using the working taxpayers' money to do it.

    Of course, that just leads to ... who's been pushing the Socialism on Americans for the last 50 years (going back really toward 100 with less success at the beginning)?
    , @dfordoom

    You have ideology and personal orientation–including quality of mind. There are plenty of not very feminine–bitchy, unpleasant–women on the left.

    But in fact, most of the behavior of these women is stereotypically feminine:
    — emotion driven
    — prioritizing “nurturing”
    — conforming to the narrative
    — anti-rational
     
    Good point.
  28. @Arclight
    This rings more or less true. When I was a young Democratic congressional aide and we'd go to various receptions/bars where staff from both parties would be present, guys from the Dem staffs would often comment on the fact that the young women in our offices were on average a lot less attractive than the GOP ones.

    I've never been around a right-leaning political rally, but I have been near major left-wing ones. There are usually a lot of women who go out of their way not to look too feminine.

    It’s hard to be both angry and pretty.

    That said, most women who get into the political scene, from what I’ve seen, aren’t terribly girly. Girly usually means primarily concerned with the externals of femininity, like clothing, hair, nails, makeup. Right wing women are more into efficiency and do the minimum necessary on those topics.

    Of course, there are the types that are into politics because they want to snag a powerful husband. And often, women themselves couldn’t tell you how all their own motivations shake out.

    Personally, I’m in the white woman box under the green 5.7%, and that’s being pretty generous. I’m enjoying Steve’s tweet on the sidebar about supermodels being tomboys as youths. Well, that was me all the way. How come I didn’t turn into a supermodel?

    • Replies: @Arclight
    "It's hard to be angry and pretty" is a nice line.
    , @Anonymous

    most women who get into the political scene, from what I’ve seen, aren’t terribly girly.
     
    I agree. They just seem loud-mouthed jerks. But, then, so do the men.


    Girly usually means primarily concerned with the externals of femininity, like clothing, hair, nails, makeup. Right wing women are more into efficiency and do the minimum necessary on those topics.
     
    Hmm. Not sure about that. CPO Shannon Kent, recently killed in Syria, commented on this blog a few times, even getting into a dispute with Steve Sailer about what kind of woman truly masculine men like (she would have known), is being described as a Rambo on the outside and girly-girly on the inside. There are plenty of women like that, who present themselves as tough as nails to the outside world, but who, at home with their husbands, are utterly feminine.
    , @Rosamond Vincy

    It’s hard to be both angry and pretty.
     
    What about that classic line in Southern potboilers as quoted by Florence King? "Yer mighty purty when yer mad, Miss Jezebelle!" (Drawled by whichever ruthless riverboat gambler or Yankee officer has to tame the Southern-fried vixen by the last reel of the technicolor movie or the last page of the Frank Yerby novel it was based on.)

    https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B4%2F1%2F8%2F3%2F4183235%5D%2Csizedata%5B850x600%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D
  29. @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD91dTeEzqE

    The most remarkable thing about Yggy Pop’s career is the ceaselessness and constancy of his physical deterioration. Just when you think the guy can’t possibly look any dumpier…same goes for Nate Silver, now that I think about it. It’s like there’s a potato blight going around but it’s for left-of-center wonks instead. This is not something I’m necessarily opposed to happening, for the record.

    The prevalency of self-classifying oneself as a tomboy is fascinating, though. I’d like to propose an obverse to Sailer’s maxim about M-to-F trannies tending to be aggressive, masculine, cerebral types: the F-to-Ms are ludicrously feminine in conduct and mindset. Far from being masculine in conduct they’re exaggeratedly meek, shy, and generally submissive (generally and, well, sexually). I’ve lived in a couple of liberal hipster-havens (Boulder and Austin, to name a few) where trannies of ever stripe are a dime a dozen and I’ve noticed this again and again and again. The only thing boyish about them is that they tend to have epicene physiques (and haircuts to match, but that’s by choice). Could it be that the face that when all the other girls were developing curves while they remained (to quote the zen poets Beavis and Butt-Head) flat cause them to self-identify as tomboys and, by extension in the current year, trans?

  30. @AnotherDad

    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, “somewhat womanly or feminine” red bar.
     
    The two relationships aren't synonymous or symmetric.

    You have ideology and personal orientation--including quality of mind. There are plenty of not very feminine--bitchy, unpleasant--women on the left.

    But in fact, most of the behavior of these women is stereotypically feminine:
    -- emotion driven
    -- prioritizing "nurturing"
    -- conforming to the narrative
    -- anti-rational

    As Anonymous notes, a bunch of these "liberal" women are in the helping professions. Their nurturing instincts have been redirected from a positive one--having and raising their children--to a negative one, fixing the evils perpetrated by the white partiarchy.

    They are just a bright underlining of two problems:
    -- the feminine virtues are not suited to the political sphere, but to the domestic one;
    -- when your culture/society is hijacked by a hostile other, you're in deep shit, because your women rather than conforming to ideology and mores that helps conserve your nation, conform to an ideology and mores that help tear it down.

    AGREED!

    Very good points, A.D., as usual!

    Just to add one thing here to your point about the feminine virtues being directed to the political sphere, do you not think 50 years of welfare socialism is part of the problem? (I ask that to the other readers, as I believe you’d agree, AD.)

    If Big-Daddy State were not there for women to run to when they are not “fulfilled” in their marriages, per Cosmo articles, then they would have to act like woman do in a decent society. There would be much more incentive for them to put their nurturing instincts and energy into the domestic sphere. That also goes for the single women who have The State ready at hand to help raise their children using the working taxpayers’ money to do it.

    Of course, that just leads to … who’s been pushing the Socialism on Americans for the last 50 years (going back really toward 100 with less success at the beginning)?

  31. @Toño Bungay
    IT ISN'T CLEAR WHAT IS BEING MEASURED. SAILER HAS LEFT OFF THE QUESTION. ON ZACH GOLDBERG'S SITE, IT READS: "In general, would you describe yourself as ... "

    Good point there, Mr. Bungay (really?) about exactly how the numbers are obtained and exactly how questions in the survey are worded. One can make a survey to prove anything, if one is good at making multiple choice questions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Mr. Bungay (really?)
     
    Not an H.G. Wells fan, I take it.
  32. @DFH
    Why is there a higher proportion of very unfeminine moderate women than liberal women?

    Because women who don’t identify strongly with any particular ideology are individualistic rather than group oriented, which is way rarer among women than men. I suspect more men than women describe themselves as moderate in the first place.

    Also I am not sure liberal women are really as masculine as they describe themselves. Loud mouthed and socially assertive, sure. But are those traits even “masculine?” For instance, how would they fare doing physical labor, being subjected to a demanding boss or assignment, reacting to a crisis situation etc. I think they’d probably break into crying or melt down faster than moderate or even self-described “very feminine” conservative women.

  33. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, "somewhat womanly or feminine" red bar. My first guess on that is it includes the far-out, hippy chicks. Many of them are as far left as one could go, but they are really just about having a good time, and they need to show off their goodies to do so.* As seen below, these are not the women you'll see at the pussy-hat marches.

    (Yeah, so this is from 50 years ago, what of it?)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqCY3U4k3A

    I wonder why they didn't split the men's graph into the 4 ranges, as with the women's.

    .

    * Plus, the health food helps immensely, at least with the physical aspect of femininity.

    In ’95 I was in a relationship with a former model who had a sensibility like that of the woman in the video, though she was in her ’40’s by then. Called herself a “humanist.” One day I was listening to a radio roundtable on the Simpson trial, in which the chief trial deputy of the San Francisco Public Defender’s Office was detailing problems with the prosecution’s case, when they took a call from a woman. She started reaming the guy out for his insensitivity to women, how she had experience with men like Simpson, and he was Guilty, Guilty GUILTY!” It was my girlfriend.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    That's a hell of a good story, Marty!
  34. Keep in mind that conservative men SEE themselves as more masculine, not that they actually ARE more masculine. Their ideology requires it.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    No - they are more masculine. Almost all white NFL players supported Trump. Almost all journalists supported the shrew.
  35. Yes, liberalism is unnatural and ugly.

    Progressivism means moving away from nature and beauty, from the univeral complimentary natural state of man and woman toward the relative homogenized and competitve unnatural state of man and woman. To the extent that there is no such thing as a distinct (binary) man or woman but merely the ideation of some transient place along an infinite spectrum.

    So to self report as either masculine or feminine is to tacitly admit that there are characteristics that closely align with distinct sexes.

    Part of being a holy prog is to reject such notions and then embody those characteristics most opposite your biology; to exist along that spectrum of Progress.

    Plus. Millennials are huge pussies. So breakout by age would show how much Progress we are making.

  36. @Toño Bungay
    IT ISN'T CLEAR WHAT IS BEING MEASURED. SAILER HAS LEFT OFF THE QUESTION. ON ZACH GOLDBERG'S SITE, IT READS: "In general, would you describe yourself as ... "

    Many thanks. Now I understand what the numbers represent.

  37. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, "somewhat womanly or feminine" red bar. My first guess on that is it includes the far-out, hippy chicks. Many of them are as far left as one could go, but they are really just about having a good time, and they need to show off their goodies to do so.* As seen below, these are not the women you'll see at the pussy-hat marches.

    (Yeah, so this is from 50 years ago, what of it?)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqCY3U4k3A

    I wonder why they didn't split the men's graph into the 4 ranges, as with the women's.

    .

    * Plus, the health food helps immensely, at least with the physical aspect of femininity.

    I don’t think your video is 50 years old. Here is the same girl on the same stage, but the note says the video was recorded in 2009. Some sort of hippie reenactment I suppose — is that a thing now? 🙁

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I see. Well, dang, 2009, she's still too old for me now.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Makes sense. The kids who followed Phish in the '90s obviously wished they'd been around to follow the Dead.
  38. @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD91dTeEzqE

    I am shocked and amazed that Yglesias successfully mated.

    • Replies: @Spaulding Smails
    I mean, Vox got something in the neighborhood of $200 million from NBC Universal a few years back...
  39. @stillCARealist
    It's hard to be both angry and pretty.

    That said, most women who get into the political scene, from what I've seen, aren't terribly girly. Girly usually means primarily concerned with the externals of femininity, like clothing, hair, nails, makeup. Right wing women are more into efficiency and do the minimum necessary on those topics.

    Of course, there are the types that are into politics because they want to snag a powerful husband. And often, women themselves couldn't tell you how all their own motivations shake out.

    Personally, I'm in the white woman box under the green 5.7%, and that's being pretty generous. I'm enjoying Steve's tweet on the sidebar about supermodels being tomboys as youths. Well, that was me all the way. How come I didn't turn into a supermodel?

    “It’s hard to be angry and pretty” is a nice line.

  40. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, "somewhat womanly or feminine" red bar. My first guess on that is it includes the far-out, hippy chicks. Many of them are as far left as one could go, but they are really just about having a good time, and they need to show off their goodies to do so.* As seen below, these are not the women you'll see at the pussy-hat marches.

    (Yeah, so this is from 50 years ago, what of it?)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqCY3U4k3A

    I wonder why they didn't split the men's graph into the 4 ranges, as with the women's.

    .

    * Plus, the health food helps immensely, at least with the physical aspect of femininity.

    Yeah, jb is right. Just because it says “summer of ’69” doesn’t mean it’s from then. I think that term only became a big thing years later. I was guessing this video is from the last five or ten years.

  41. @ThreeCranes
    another humorless lecture consisting of half-truths, composed by half-wits

    You watched, and then responded to, a video posted by an unfunny troll. Three demerits to you.

  42. @Achmed E. Newman
    Good point there, Mr. Bungay (really?) about exactly how the numbers are obtained and exactly how questions in the survey are worded. One can make a survey to prove anything, if one is good at making multiple choice questions.

    Mr. Bungay (really?)

    Not an H.G. Wells fan, I take it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I've read the guy, but it's been too long. I'm glad the name is not what I thought! Thanks.
  43. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist
    It's hard to be both angry and pretty.

    That said, most women who get into the political scene, from what I've seen, aren't terribly girly. Girly usually means primarily concerned with the externals of femininity, like clothing, hair, nails, makeup. Right wing women are more into efficiency and do the minimum necessary on those topics.

    Of course, there are the types that are into politics because they want to snag a powerful husband. And often, women themselves couldn't tell you how all their own motivations shake out.

    Personally, I'm in the white woman box under the green 5.7%, and that's being pretty generous. I'm enjoying Steve's tweet on the sidebar about supermodels being tomboys as youths. Well, that was me all the way. How come I didn't turn into a supermodel?

    most women who get into the political scene, from what I’ve seen, aren’t terribly girly.

    I agree. They just seem loud-mouthed jerks. But, then, so do the men.

    Girly usually means primarily concerned with the externals of femininity, like clothing, hair, nails, makeup. Right wing women are more into efficiency and do the minimum necessary on those topics.

    Hmm. Not sure about that. CPO Shannon Kent, recently killed in Syria, commented on this blog a few times, even getting into a dispute with Steve Sailer about what kind of woman truly masculine men like (she would have known), is being described as a Rambo on the outside and girly-girly on the inside. There are plenty of women like that, who present themselves as tough as nails to the outside world, but who, at home with their husbands, are utterly feminine.

  44. @Angry WASP
    Keep in mind that conservative men SEE themselves as more masculine, not that they actually ARE more masculine. Their ideology requires it.

    No – they are more masculine. Almost all white NFL players supported Trump. Almost all journalists supported the shrew.

    • Replies: @Angry WASP
    NFL players may be men, but they are also plutocrats, considering how much they get paid (or overpaid). It's the money in their bank accounts, not the testosterone in their gonads, that makes them vote Republican.
  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, "somewhat womanly or feminine" red bar. My first guess on that is it includes the far-out, hippy chicks. Many of them are as far left as one could go, but they are really just about having a good time, and they need to show off their goodies to do so.* As seen below, these are not the women you'll see at the pussy-hat marches.

    (Yeah, so this is from 50 years ago, what of it?)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqCY3U4k3A

    I wonder why they didn't split the men's graph into the 4 ranges, as with the women's.

    .

    * Plus, the health food helps immensely, at least with the physical aspect of femininity.

    Hippie chicks are the best.
    I say this as a right wing reactionary.
    Hippie chick appreciation is a must if we want to be honest with ourselves.

  46. @Anonymous

    Mr. Bungay (really?)
     
    Not an H.G. Wells fan, I take it.

    I’ve read the guy, but it’s been too long. I’m glad the name is not what I thought! Thanks.

  47. @Marty
    In '95 I was in a relationship with a former model who had a sensibility like that of the woman in the video, though she was in her '40's by then. Called herself a "humanist." One day I was listening to a radio roundtable on the Simpson trial, in which the chief trial deputy of the San Francisco Public Defender's Office was detailing problems with the prosecution's case, when they took a call from a woman. She started reaming the guy out for his insensitivity to women, how she had experience with men like Simpson, and he was Guilty, Guilty GUILTY!" It was my girlfriend.

    That’s a hell of a good story, Marty!

  48. @jb
    I don't think your video is 50 years old. Here is the same girl on the same stage, but the note says the video was recorded in 2009. Some sort of hippie reenactment I suppose -- is that a thing now? :-(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65RisQW5bs

    I see. Well, dang, 2009, she’s still too old for me now.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Have a seat over there
  49. @Toño Bungay
    IT ISN'T CLEAR WHAT IS BEING MEASURED. SAILER HAS LEFT OFF THE QUESTION. ON ZACH GOLDBERG'S SITE, IT READS: "In general, would you describe yourself as ... "

    That’s pretty much what I assumed the prompt was given the criteria. Also, your caps lock is on.

  50. Anonymous[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna
    What's the point of the story? That liberals don't like traditional sex roles?

    No kidding! Or is it that liberals aren't very sexy? Hmm...

    Or is it that liberals aren’t very sexy? Hmm…

    I do think conservative or traditional women are sexier and more beautiful. Compare that Alabama sorority video from a few years ago to any women coming out of Berkeley.

    There also seems to be more sexual dimorphism among conservatives than liberals.

  51. @Marty T
    No - they are more masculine. Almost all white NFL players supported Trump. Almost all journalists supported the shrew.

    NFL players may be men, but they are also plutocrats, considering how much they get paid (or overpaid). It’s the money in their bank accounts, not the testosterone in their gonads, that makes them vote Republican.

  52. @songbird
    I swear, you can often detect the difference in men's voices. I don't mean a lisp, and it is not foolproof, but there is a difference in pitch. Add in patterns of speech and it is much more definitive proxy of politics.

    Agreed.

    Often combined with Australian/Estuary English tendencies to convert statements to QUESTIONS?

    And far gone junkies and aspiring déclassé guys nasalise.

  53. @AnotherDad

    I would expect the top bar graph. On the bottom, femininity of women, graph, there is that surprising large, just under 67%, “somewhat womanly or feminine” red bar.
     
    The two relationships aren't synonymous or symmetric.

    You have ideology and personal orientation--including quality of mind. There are plenty of not very feminine--bitchy, unpleasant--women on the left.

    But in fact, most of the behavior of these women is stereotypically feminine:
    -- emotion driven
    -- prioritizing "nurturing"
    -- conforming to the narrative
    -- anti-rational

    As Anonymous notes, a bunch of these "liberal" women are in the helping professions. Their nurturing instincts have been redirected from a positive one--having and raising their children--to a negative one, fixing the evils perpetrated by the white partiarchy.

    They are just a bright underlining of two problems:
    -- the feminine virtues are not suited to the political sphere, but to the domestic one;
    -- when your culture/society is hijacked by a hostile other, you're in deep shit, because your women rather than conforming to ideology and mores that helps conserve your nation, conform to an ideology and mores that help tear it down.

    You have ideology and personal orientation–including quality of mind. There are plenty of not very feminine–bitchy, unpleasant–women on the left.

    But in fact, most of the behavior of these women is stereotypically feminine:
    — emotion driven
    — prioritizing “nurturing”
    — conforming to the narrative
    — anti-rational

    Good point.

  54. @Arclight
    I am shocked and amazed that Yglesias successfully mated.

    I mean, Vox got something in the neighborhood of $200 million from NBC Universal a few years back…

  55. @jb
    I don't think your video is 50 years old. Here is the same girl on the same stage, but the note says the video was recorded in 2009. Some sort of hippie reenactment I suppose -- is that a thing now? :-(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65RisQW5bs

    Makes sense. The kids who followed Phish in the ’90s obviously wished they’d been around to follow the Dead.

  56. @stillCARealist
    It's hard to be both angry and pretty.

    That said, most women who get into the political scene, from what I've seen, aren't terribly girly. Girly usually means primarily concerned with the externals of femininity, like clothing, hair, nails, makeup. Right wing women are more into efficiency and do the minimum necessary on those topics.

    Of course, there are the types that are into politics because they want to snag a powerful husband. And often, women themselves couldn't tell you how all their own motivations shake out.

    Personally, I'm in the white woman box under the green 5.7%, and that's being pretty generous. I'm enjoying Steve's tweet on the sidebar about supermodels being tomboys as youths. Well, that was me all the way. How come I didn't turn into a supermodel?

    It’s hard to be both angry and pretty.

    What about that classic line in Southern potboilers as quoted by Florence King? “Yer mighty purty when yer mad, Miss Jezebelle!” (Drawled by whichever ruthless riverboat gambler or Yankee officer has to tame the Southern-fried vixen by the last reel of the technicolor movie or the last page of the Frank Yerby novel it was based on.)

    https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B4%2F1%2F8%2F3%2F4183235%5D%2Csizedata%5B850x600%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D

  57. @Achmed E. Newman
    I see. Well, dang, 2009, she's still too old for me now.

    Have a seat over there

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