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Marin County, across the Golden Gate Bridge from San Francisco, is consistently liberal, at least in Presidential voting. Trump got 16% of Marin’s vote and Romney 23%. From the L.A. Times:

What housing crisis? Last-minute bill would let wealthy Marin County limit home building

One of California’s wealthiest counties may continue to get a pass under the state’s affordable housing laws.

Lawmakers are considering a measure that would allow parts of Marin County to limit growth more tightly than other regions of California. The provision, inserted last week into a bill connected to the state budget, lets Marin County’s largest cities and unincorporated areas maintain extra restrictions on how many homes developers can build. …

Following a 2009 investigation by federal housing officials, Marin County supervisors agreed to boost affordable development as a way to desegregate the mostly white region. But neighborhood opposition to low-income housing continued, including a long-stalled 2013 proposal from “Star Wars” creator George Lucas to build hundreds of affordable units on a former dairy farm.

Lucas spent decades trying to get permits to build a movie studio in Marin County. When he failed, Lucas threatened to build a low income housing project on his property as vengeance. But even a billionaire mythmaker can’t keep Marin County residents from having a wonderful life.

We are told that all those Poles cheering President Trump’s speech in Warsaw yesterday lacked the proper contemporary “contempt for borders,” but the borders of Marin County, CA are remarkably sacrosanct. The borders of Poland may be contemptible fictions, but the borders of Marin, San Francisco, Malibu, and Beverly Hills are very, very real.

Today, the county’s per capita income of $60,236 is the highest of any county in the state, according to U.S. census figures. But the average renter in Marin County makes just $19.21 an hour and would need to work 77 hours a week to afford a studio apartment at the $1,915-a-month market rate, according to data from the National Low Income Housing Coalition. …

Brown and legislators have been working on a package of bills that aim to increase funding for low-income housing as well as wipe away some of the restrictions local governments put on development. But no significant measure has passed in recent years, frustrating housing advocates.

 
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  1. unit472 says:

    I had a friend who lived in Terra Linda. This was not Belvedere, Sausalito or Ross but a neighborhood of 1960′s era 3 bedroom 1 1/2 bath tract homes. 30 some years ago they banded together to buy the surrounding hillsides to ‘preserve’ them from future development. Of course, if this mindset had prevailed twenty years earlier my friends house would not have been built.

    Marin County is ‘special’. Except for a cluster of crummy garden apartments in San Rafael’s Canal area it avoided being overrun by mestizo immigrants and what negroes it does have reside in a handful of highrise public housing units in Marin City, a totally isolated community barely visible from 101 that were built when Marin was just the county north of San Francisco and not the last enclave of whites in the Bay Area.

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    • Replies: @Superposition
    As a TL homeowner who loves to run those hills and has kids to send to local schools, I love it! I start every single day with a bout of evil laughter while twirling my mustache.
    , @psmith

    Of course, if this mindset had prevailed twenty years earlier my friends house would not have been built.
     
    This is hardly an argument against working to keep the nice things they already have. Unless you buy the "we're all immigrants so what's the big deal lol" gag.
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  2. San Quentin prison houses thousands of minority residents in Marin county. Rent has been low and stable for decades, and sometimes Johnny Cash comes to visit.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Nice. I understand that that particular community is welcoming to gender-binary non-conforming persons as well.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    There was also Alcatraz, a scenic isolated community that had never implemented the odious red-lining and other discriminating practices seen in other more racist parts of the gay bay area. Alas, it has succumbed to gentrification, not to mention rocket fire on the guard tower by that law-and-order nut, Mr. Callahan and his LAWS missiles.

    Funny stuff, Odds, I just had to pile on.

    No, I couldn't find the video. ;-{
    , @res
    Looking at demographic data for "San Quentin" (quotes because I imagine the definition varies for different statistics) is interesting. From https://www.point2homes.com/US/Neighborhood/CA/San-Quentin-Demographics.html we see that the average income was $94k with average household net worth over $1M while 2/3 of residents had less than a high school diploma. I'm surprised this did not qualify as magic dirt in Raj Chetty's work.

    I had some trouble finding racial data for the prison (for example, Marin data is substituted at http://www.clrsearch.com/San-Quentin-Demographics/CA/Population-by-Race-and-Ethnicity ), but downloading data for 2005 from http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/NACJD/studies/24642/version/2
    we see San Quentin had 5456 total inmates of whom 1891 were white and 2064 black.
    (that looks like a good source for 2005 population data on all US state and federal correctional facilities)

    Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County,_California#Demographics Marin County has about 6,000 blacks. I wonder if the San Quentin residents are being counted in that. Seems like it would be a good way to boost their diversity numbers.
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  3. Moshe says:

    Thank God the people of Marin County have GOB on their side!

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    You must be taking stupid pills!
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  4. reiner Tor says: • Website

    Well, our elites think that when they segregate themselves from the rest of us, it’s not really hateful, because, well, they are the elites, and everybody else is just riffraff, and so it’s not racist for the elites to segregate themselves from riffraff. But when the riffraff wants to segregate itself from other riffraff, well, that’s just hateful, because they want to do that based on race (explicitly or implicitly). From the viewpoint of our elites, riffraff shouldn’t want nice lives for themselves – I mean, they have miserable lives anyway, why do these ignoramuses care for how miserable? Isn’t it all the same below $50,000 a year?

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    From the viewpoint of our elites, riffraff shouldn’t want nice lives for themselves – I mean, they have miserable lives anyway, why do these ignoramuses care for how miserable? Isn’t it all the same below $50,000 a year?
     
    I heard so many variations of this in foundation circles, it boggles. They actually, really, genuinely do think that.

    Somewhere around 1995--when he was boinking then hiring for several City Hall positions a certain gal whom the Dems have been grooming since the '90s for a 2020s POTUS run--SF Mayor Willie Brown said that nobody who makes less than $50,000 a year belongs in SF.

    That's upwards of $80,000 in Current Year Bux.

    Let's see...that would be a $39.26 an hour minimum wage.

    Segregation for me, not for thee. It would be wasted on you whereas I can appreciate and savor it fully. Now shut up while I make your life more miserable, because it's all for the greater good.

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    “At the measure’s hearing before legislators Tuesday, Sen. Jim Nielsen (R-Gerber) criticized the bill, calling out what he said were “hypocritical” communities that don’t want to do their part in solving the housing problem. “They love their lifestyles, but don’t bother us with the low-income housing,” Nielsen said of those local residents.

    Brown and the legislative leadership typically agree on budget-related bills before they’re introduced. Levine said he was able to get his housing provision into such a bill because “that’s just the way it evolved.”

    I like this story, because not only does it underline the “high + low to squeeze the middle” i-steve theme, it also illustrates the difference between the way (D)s and (R)s see the world. I’d also like to learn more about Levine’s “Theory of Evolution”.

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  6. Nico says:

    I think it was Ross Douthat – a man who infuriates me insofar as he is smart enough to know better than to waste his time kissing liberals’ arses for they “respectability” they never give his token conservative NYT one – who called this phenomenon out in an editorial last year. I remember only that it was really funny watching the limousine liberal douchebags aka NYT clientele bend over backwards to justify THEIR desires to “live in a safe neighborhood with good schools” as NOT RACIST.

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    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Easy. They use the same defense as my neighbors: I'm colorblind.

    Here are a few examples.

    Me: Well, for someone who's so against racism, you live in oddly white area.

    Neighbor: Is it white? I never noticed since I don't look at people's color. I just looked for a safe, clean neighborhood. This neighborhood just as easily could have been heavily black or Hispanic, wouldn't have mattered to me. Why are you so opposed by race?

    Me: If you love diversity so much, why are you sending your kids to a school that 80%+ white and Asian?

    Neighbor: I have no idea what the demographics of the school are. It never dawned on me to look. I just wanted a good school with good test scores. That doesn't mean the school will be white, black, Hispanic or Asian. All students can learn. Are you saying that only white and Asian kids are smart? That's ridiculous. One of my good friends in college was a black guy, and he was one of the smarter people that I've ever known. Why can't you get past a person's color?


    You see. The Colorblind Defense is awesome. You can be as racist as you want and still accuse others of racism is they try and point out their hypocrisy.

    Btw, my neighbors that use the Colorblind Defense (and truly believe it in their hearts) are mostly conservative Republicans, though mostly of a Paul Ryan mold. This is why it drives me nuts that everyone around here always complain about "leftists" or liberals. The right is just as much true believers in the Cult of Equality as the left.
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  7. Dr. X says:

    Marin County is only 2.8% black, according to the Census.

    Does anyone really think that all the rich, white, Prius-driving Bernie and Hillary voters are going to build “low income” housing so that Jamal from Oakland and Devontay from Compton can move there?

    Diversity for thee, not for me…

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    I thought Compton and Oakland were more Julio than Devontay these days. Another reason why Dre can't make another proper album.
    , @Dancquill
    Bingo.. God these liberal leftists make me sick to my stomach. San Francisco is also driving blacks out of the city by gentrification that they would never allow in the hinterlands anywhere outside its own boundaries. Petaluma also has practiced this kind of descrimination for decades. "Special" folk these. Special in ways they don't want everybody to know about.
    , @Olorin
    Bearing in mind of course that one of Marin's better known residents is Michael Anthony Weiner, aka "Savage," widely considered to be very "conservative."

    I don't disagree that the majority are as you say, however.

    A good number of them are trust fund babies who manage their families' giant or smaller "philanthropic" foundations down in the city as required via periodic stayovers at tidy condos or houses in Pacific Heights/South Beach/Russian Hill/Sea Cliff...then skittle back to their high country estancia(s) for the rest of the time.

    When, of course, they're not off at their South American or elsewhere doomsteads.
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  8. @unit472
    I had a friend who lived in Terra Linda. This was not Belvedere, Sausalito or Ross but a neighborhood of 1960's era 3 bedroom 1 1/2 bath tract homes. 30 some years ago they banded together to buy the surrounding hillsides to 'preserve' them from future development. Of course, if this mindset had prevailed twenty years earlier my friends house would not have been built.

    Marin County is 'special'. Except for a cluster of crummy garden apartments in San Rafael's Canal area it avoided being overrun by mestizo immigrants and what negroes it does have reside in a handful of highrise public housing units in Marin City, a totally isolated community barely visible from 101 that were built when Marin was just the county north of San Francisco and not the last enclave of whites in the Bay Area.

    As a TL homeowner who loves to run those hills and has kids to send to local schools, I love it! I start every single day with a bout of evil laughter while twirling my mustache.

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    I was at the Northgate shopping center a few years ago. Standing nearby was a group of somewhat dangerous looking white teens, who seemed to be an audience for a slightly older black guy. Finally the black guy bid adieu, with the admonition "stay black." To which one of the whites answered, "always."
    , @Stan Adams
    You scoundrel!

    How can you live with yourself, knowing that you are denying your offspring the many wondrous benefits of exposure to vibrant diversity? How can you sleep at night?
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  9. JerseyGuy says:

    Affluent Boston suburbs, which overwhelmingly vote Democrat, enact building restrictions through open space purchases funded through the Community Preservation Act, as well as through large lot zoning. The Boston metro area has quietly become one of the most expensive regions in the country over the last few years. They do have funding for affordable housing through the CPA as well but it doesn’t do much. I can’t say that I blame them. It is a historical region and should be preserved. However, I wish they would just admit their hypocrisy, which of course won’t happen.

    Say what you want about the Texas Model but it does seem to work for the working classes.

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    I can’t say that I blame them.
     
    I can.
    , @cynthia curran
    I would not picked the Texas model. In North Dallas housing prices have jumped from 20,000 to 100,000 because Collin County is growing fast and lots of professional jobs are going there. Collin County will have more wealth than Marin in 10 years but more poverty since it also gets a lot of Latinos and over minorities and is predicted to be 3 million. Texas zoning is not the best. You can have restricted zoning and slow population growth and be cheap. California's counties like Kern and Frenso are now cheaper than Collin County. Austin-Travis is predicted to be more expensive than Riverside County in a decade.
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  10. Marin County has unique qualities which could be harmed by additional development which isn’t the case in other places. For example, Marin County is full of very rich people, while other places are not. Why would you want to change that?

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    Lot of the younger population of Marin County are poor minorities. The schools are at least 40 percent Latino now because richer whites don't have kids but maids and so forth do. Probably, the kids will leave the area for Bakersfield or Texas which means Marin County will continue to age out.
    , @WR
    Yes, let's preserve the natural habitat of wealthy Sanders-voting white people. After all, aren't these filthy rich leftist a subgroup of Caucassius Californius, a currently endangered species in The Golden State?
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  11. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @JerseyGuy
    Affluent Boston suburbs, which overwhelmingly vote Democrat, enact building restrictions through open space purchases funded through the Community Preservation Act, as well as through large lot zoning. The Boston metro area has quietly become one of the most expensive regions in the country over the last few years. They do have funding for affordable housing through the CPA as well but it doesn't do much. I can't say that I blame them. It is a historical region and should be preserved. However, I wish they would just admit their hypocrisy, which of course won't happen.

    Say what you want about the Texas Model but it does seem to work for the working classes.

    I can’t say that I blame them.

    I can.

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  12. If I remember correctly, Sean Penn moved his family out to Marin County after his wife was carjacked in Santa Monica in 1996. Sean Penn’s wife, Robin Wright, was parking her Toyota Land Cruiser at night when she was accosted by two thugs, one or both of them had a gun.

    An 18 year old thug named Dackery Williams was arrested along with a 16 year old thug. I do remember the name of Marin County being used as the place Sean Penn took his family after the carjacking attack on Robin Wright.

    It appears that Los Angeles cops retire in Idaho. Is it the case that some Hollywood types retreat to Marin County after they are involved in unpleasant multicultural attacks?

    Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-05-30/news/9605310297_1_carjacking-police-arrest-forrest-gump

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    If I remember correctly, Sean Penn moved his family out to Marin County after his wife was carjacked in Santa Monica in 1996.
     
    LA has plenty of suburbs where Dackery would have been pulled over within 15 seconds of entering city limits. There is about a 98% chance he would have an active warrant and/or no current and active license, registration, and insurance.

    Santa Monica and Venice Beach have always had a lot of street crime and there have always been less cool but much safer suburbs nearby. Marina del Rey, Manhattan Beach, Rancho Palos Verdes, and of course Malibu.
    , @Lurker

    Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name.
     
    Named after a cocktail - it doesn't get classier than that surely?
    , @Anonymous
    Former LA cop Jimmy Dougherty famously retired to Maine.

    Despite several fairly notable achievements in the department (including being the cop that perp walked Patty Hearst in the famous photo) he was most famous for having married a 16 year old to keep her from having to go back to the orphanage. She left him after he came back from the Merchant Marine, changed her name, and married some other guy before dumping him too and marrying another guy. Dougherty outlived those other guys, Joe DiMaggio and Arthur Miller, to become the last man standing in the world's most exclusive really prestigious men's club.
    , @Anon 2
    Many wealthy people from both Northern and
    Southern California like to retire to San Luis
    Obispo, the "happiest city in America," with no
    McDonalds to blight the city landscape, the requisite
    art cinema or two that play foreign movies, and,
    of course, the wonderful Cal Poly campus where
    they can go and ogle the beautiful white coeds
    sunning themselves by the swimming pool.
    What's not to like?

    However, Santa Monica (and Pacific Palisades, ...)
    still remains a retirement community for the rich,
    esp. of show business provenance, until Silicon
    Beach (look it up!) does to the Westside what Silicon
    Valley did to the Palo Alto, etc area - made it completely
    unaffordable.

    California, an arid, earthquake-prone state, was never
    meant to house almost 40 million people.
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  13. Lucas spent decades trying to get permits to build a movie studio in Marin County. When he failed, Lucas threatened to build a low income housing project on his property as vengeance. But even a billionaire mythmaker can’t keep Marin County residents from having a wonderful life.

    Lucas is pretty demanding: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-lucas-museum-opinion-kamin-met-0624-20160624-column.html

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  14. psmith says:
    @unit472
    I had a friend who lived in Terra Linda. This was not Belvedere, Sausalito or Ross but a neighborhood of 1960's era 3 bedroom 1 1/2 bath tract homes. 30 some years ago they banded together to buy the surrounding hillsides to 'preserve' them from future development. Of course, if this mindset had prevailed twenty years earlier my friends house would not have been built.

    Marin County is 'special'. Except for a cluster of crummy garden apartments in San Rafael's Canal area it avoided being overrun by mestizo immigrants and what negroes it does have reside in a handful of highrise public housing units in Marin City, a totally isolated community barely visible from 101 that were built when Marin was just the county north of San Francisco and not the last enclave of whites in the Bay Area.

    Of course, if this mindset had prevailed twenty years earlier my friends house would not have been built.

    This is hardly an argument against working to keep the nice things they already have. Unless you buy the “we’re all immigrants so what’s the big deal lol” gag.

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  15. “Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name.”

    It’s just the Ebonic version of “daiquiri”. This is the kind of name that strikes teenage black girls as sophisticated, God help us. It will take a generation to graduate to true sophistication like “Mountain Dew”.

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    It’s just the Ebonic version of “daiquiri”.
     
    I thought it might just be another case of "inner city spelling" (Hi Tiny)......Dackery being a feeble attempt at "Zachary" but I like your explanation better!
    , @Chrisnonymous
    You mean Mowntaine-du?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    kagan, or Orangejello, pronounced Or Angelo. I once sent a information packet to a guy, first name Antonee, might be missing an apostrophe or a hyphen though.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It’s just the Ebonic version of “daiquiri”. This is the kind of name that strikes teenage black girls as sophisticated
     
    Then again, plenty of white folks named their daughters after a jewelry store. And many of them named their daughters after nineteenth-century presidents.
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  16. TG says:

    Borders for me but not for thee.

    Rich people can stop poor people from other districts from sending their kids to their schools in search of a better life – they even have detectives following kids home from school to check that they really live in the district! Your papers, please. And yet, Americans living in poor districts somehow cannot discriminate against poor foreign national children.

    And the Pope, his holy hypocritcalness, has the Vatican City ringed with heavily armed guards and woe betide any ‘refugee’ trying to camp out in St. Peter’s Square.

    Because ‘there shall be open borders’ is so only for little people.

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    Rich people can stop poor people from other districts from sending their kids to their schools in search of a better life – they even have detectives following kids home from school to check that they really live in the district!
     
    This.

    Marin County is unusual in having many tiny school districts - 20 districts for a population of 250,000. A defense against diversity, so the children of Ross (Sean Penn's home) don't have to rub shoulders with the children of Marin City (Tupac Shakur's home)?

    (Across the bridge, SF has a single mega-district for rich and poor, with the predictable result that the rich have fled either to private schools or to the suburbs.)

    And school districts do police this. Friends had to provide a passport and four proofs of residency just to register their kid. There's an anonymous tip line to report cheaters, even legitimate families who move mid-year and don't re-register immediately.
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  17. Mr. Anon says:

    The new motto on the Marin County Seal:

    Segregation Now, Segregation Tomorrow, Segregation Forever

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  18. Tiny Duck says:

    The whole “explanation” reeks of conservative white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do. There are always environmental issues, low-cost housing really doesn’t help the poor, they like living in crowded neighborhoods far away from where they work, etc., etc. Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

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    Siri Gets Snotty When You Ask Her What Zero Divided By Zero Is...


    - Leonard Pitts
     
    , @e
    Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    Their hypocrisy is detestable; their expectation that they should be able to live w/out thugs around is not. Thugs should be put away...from all of us. Subcultures that produce them, protect them, or glorify them should be shamed publicly forever and ever

    , @Jean Ralphio
    Wow, you just agreed with everyone here. Proud of you bro!
    , @MEH 0910

    The whole “explanation” reeks of conservative liberal white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do.
     
    Fixed it for you.
    , @MB
    TD you wouldn't be a poor guilty white liberal as opposed to a rich guilty white liberal, would you?
    Either that or you are an alt right pseudonymous troll playing the hare to the greyhounds.
    (I see you Richard Spencer, hiding behind that monitor.)

    But hey, gotta stick up for the tribe, right? That's one way to advance in our elite meritocracy when you are on the bottom.
    Let me know when you get closer to the top.

    Just don't let the glass ceiling dampen the progressive ardor or flatten your IQ curve. You wouldn't be able to entertain yourself or anybody else over here any more.
    What a pity that would be.

    , @reiner Tor
    While writing this, you totally fell out of character, and except for the word "conservative" you started making sense. You forgot you wanted to write a troll comment, didn't you?
    , @MBlanc46
    "Espousing their moral superiority over everything and refusing to sacrifice anything": Typical Leftists.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Tiny, you were one word away from a St. Paul conversion. Going to start you on a 12 step program, Now get some rest.
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  19. Mr. Anon says:
    @oddsbodkins
    San Quentin prison houses thousands of minority residents in Marin county. Rent has been low and stable for decades, and sometimes Johnny Cash comes to visit.

    Nice. I understand that that particular community is welcoming to gender-binary non-conforming persons as well.

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  20. fish says:
    @kaganovitch
    "Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name."

    It's just the Ebonic version of "daiquiri". This is the kind of name that strikes teenage black girls as sophisticated, God help us. It will take a generation to graduate to true sophistication like "Mountain Dew".

    It’s just the Ebonic version of “daiquiri”.

    I thought it might just be another case of “inner city spelling” (Hi Tiny)……Dackery being a feeble attempt at “Zachary” but I like your explanation better!

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    It's the way Leonard Pitts spells daiquiri.
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  21. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The whole "explanation" reeks of conservative white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do. There are always environmental issues, low-cost housing really doesn't help the poor, they like living in crowded neighborhoods far away from where they work, etc., etc. Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    Siri Gets Snotty When You Ask Her What Zero Divided By Zero Is…

    – Leonard Pitts

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  22. @Nico
    I think it was Ross Douthat - a man who infuriates me insofar as he is smart enough to know better than to waste his time kissing liberals' arses for they "respectability" they never give his token conservative NYT one - who called this phenomenon out in an editorial last year. I remember only that it was really funny watching the limousine liberal douchebags aka NYT clientele bend over backwards to justify THEIR desires to "live in a safe neighborhood with good schools" as NOT RACIST.

    Easy. They use the same defense as my neighbors: I’m colorblind.

    Here are a few examples.

    Me: Well, for someone who’s so against racism, you live in oddly white area.

    Neighbor: Is it white? I never noticed since I don’t look at people’s color. I just looked for a safe, clean neighborhood. This neighborhood just as easily could have been heavily black or Hispanic, wouldn’t have mattered to me. Why are you so opposed by race?

    Me: If you love diversity so much, why are you sending your kids to a school that 80%+ white and Asian?

    Neighbor: I have no idea what the demographics of the school are. It never dawned on me to look. I just wanted a good school with good test scores. That doesn’t mean the school will be white, black, Hispanic or Asian. All students can learn. Are you saying that only white and Asian kids are smart? That’s ridiculous. One of my good friends in college was a black guy, and he was one of the smarter people that I’ve ever known. Why can’t you get past a person’s color?

    You see. The Colorblind Defense is awesome. You can be as racist as you want and still accuse others of racism is they try and point out their hypocrisy.

    Btw, my neighbors that use the Colorblind Defense (and truly believe it in their hearts) are mostly conservative Republicans, though mostly of a Paul Ryan mold. This is why it drives me nuts that everyone around here always complain about “leftists” or liberals. The right is just as much true believers in the Cult of Equality as the left.

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    I agree with everything you say, especially the last paragraph: so-called "conservative" normie Republicans need to be banged over the head and asked if they think it's a crime to notice correlations. (As has been said numerous times on Sailer'a blog, P.C. can be chalked up in large part to a "war on noticing.")

    However, I was aiming specifically at self-styled liberals and progressives who use the term "dog-whistle words" while preferring the whitest enclaves possible within their "cosmopolite" paradises. They more than anyone need to be asked some hardball questions in public forums.

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  23. Whiskey says: • Website

    Trump should stick it to Marin. Put in FEDERAL low income housing with many, many Vibrants. Including lots of Somali Muslims from Minnesota and Maine, and lots and lots of MS 13 Vibrancy plus people from Ferguson. Indeed he should show up in Ferguson and offer free housing in Marin County right next door to Lucas to any who want to move their, free of charge on the Feds. That’s something I could get behind.

    Arisotocracy is something women LOVE LOVE LOVE like a Disney Princess story. Women desire the most unequal society ever so they can pick out the dominant dudes; a flat society that is equal is hateful to women because it does not produce tingles. That’s why Game of Thrones is such a chick-flick — they love the inequality and cruelty/sadism which is arousing to women.

    Thus the aristocracy getting away with this stuff is part and parcel of our female domination — along with the poz. Every society has an aristocracy but male dominated ones in the West required male lower class patronage; not female-exciting tingles abuse and domination.

    Just like women need the men they want, good and hard as Mencken noted (no pun intended), abusive a-holes and nothing else, so elites should be made to sniff the diversity right up their nose, and never be able to escape it. Lets put refugee camps right in Malibu, and put a giant Muslim refugee camp right next to Babaru MechaStreisand’s compound.

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    Trump should stick it to Marin. Put in FEDERAL low income housing with many, many Vibrants. Including lots of Somali Muslims from Minnesota and Maine, and lots and lots of MS 13 Vibrancy plus people from Ferguson. Indeed he should show up in Ferguson and offer free housing in Marin County right next door to Lucas to any who want to move their, free of charge on the Feds. That’s something I could get behind.
     
    As has been lamented in another thread, Trump has a psychological block to doing this, one very common in (though by no means exclusive to) boomers: his inability to take a grim view of the general course of America and the innate ill intentions of a [left-wing] faction within. Otherwise he certainly would be doing something exactly like what you just described.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Arisotocracy is something women LOVE LOVE LOVE like a Disney Princess story. Women desire the most unequal society ever so they can pick out the dominant dudes; a flat society that is equal is hateful to women because it does not produce tingles. That’s why Game of Thrones is such a chick-flick — they love the inequality and cruelty/sadism which is arousing to women.
     
    Whiskey,

    You may have a ridiculous blind spot when it comes to Jews, but you certainly do know your Nice White Ladies. Nice call.
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  24. Steve, Steve, Steve… don’t let the cat out of the bag! We enjoy a pretty good life out here. At least, if you’re not in one of the Special Racial Zones that are segregated from the rest of us.

    I would recommend for your edification to look into the county’s school district zoning. As another commenter previously mentioned, Marin has remained pristine save for a few rundown apartments in the Canal, a mestizo area, or Marin City, a black area. The children of these people overwhelmingly attend school in San Rafael, a still good overall but relatively bad 7/10 compared to, say, my alma mater, a 10/10. You will find the line of demarcation between great and okay conveniently excludes these students while allowing wealthy Ross, Kentfield, San Anselmo, and Fairfax to keep to themselves. As schools are supported by property taxes (on million-dollar properties) and the generosity of the local community to its own (we have a large yearly fundraiser for the good district), it should be clear why Marin does not wish to follow the footsteps of other, more vibrant locales.

    In sum, I love it here. Too bad I can’t afford to buy a home, though.

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    A friend grew up in San Rafael and his parents sent him to St. Ignatius in San Francisco. That fine education helped him go to Dartmouth and eventually to the Presidency of a worldwide company. He didn't miss much at San Rafael, and would've done well anywhere as he is scary smart, but his parents valued a better educational environment. That pattern is repeated in districts and households where such selectivity is available and desirable.
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  25. kihowi says:
    @Dr. X
    Marin County is only 2.8% black, according to the Census.

    Does anyone really think that all the rich, white, Prius-driving Bernie and Hillary voters are going to build "low income" housing so that Jamal from Oakland and Devontay from Compton can move there?

    Diversity for thee, not for me...

    I thought Compton and Oakland were more Julio than Devontay these days. Another reason why Dre can’t make another proper album.

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    I thought Compton and Oakland were more Julio than Devontay these days.

     

    According the Census, that's true of Compton, but not Oakland:

    Compton: 33% Black, 65% Hispanic

    Oakland: 34% Black, 25.4% Hispanic

    Of course, those are 2010 numbers, which are getting a bit dated in 2017... so YMMV.
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  26. Very OT: Does the current environment of “wrong ideas must be shut down, not debated” have its roots in the Holocaust-denial battles of the 1990s? This occurred to me when reading a 2001 article on Holocaust denial by the Milton scholar Stanley Fish. Consider this amazing piece of advice for dealing with denialist arguments:

    Resist appeals to fairness, process, free speech, academic freedom, or any other “principle” invoked in order to lend a veneer of legitimacy to arguments that would otherwise not be taken seriously. (These resonant words and phrases have done honorable work in the past, but in the present case they are being wielded as weapons and anyone who rises to their bait is saying “hit me again” and playing the game on the enemy’s terms.) Insist that truths generally acknowledged enjoy an earned privileged position and that anyone who seeks to dislodge them must jump over a formidable succession of hurdles; the playing field is not level and shouldn’t be. Rely without apology on the ordinary, tried and true, sources of authority — government agencies, official commissions of inquiry, standard works of scholarship, and the received wisdom of professional bodies and associations.

    from Stanley Fish, Holocaust Denial and Academic Freedom, 35 Valparaiso Univ. Law Review 499, 505.

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    Fish is right, in his point that you don't owe the holocaust denier a real argument. In the same way, you don't owe the "faked moon landing" people a real argument.

    If you want to argue 5.5 vs 6.5 million, that could be a real argument, though I don't see what purpose it could serve. I suspose a denier might pursue this just to try to cast doubt on the whole thing.

    It's too bad he suggests resting on government and other "official" sources so heavily. They've been wrong before, and that's an obvious weakness in his tactic.
    , @ben tillman
    No. As far as I can tell it's always been that way. Fifty years ago Shockley and Jensen were attacked and ostracized.

    The Left has never countenanced fair debate because the Left is always in the wrong. As aggressors, the Left advances by force and fraud. And free inquiry will invariably uncover this fact.
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  27. @kaganovitch
    "Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name."

    It's just the Ebonic version of "daiquiri". This is the kind of name that strikes teenage black girls as sophisticated, God help us. It will take a generation to graduate to true sophistication like "Mountain Dew".

    You mean Mowntaine-du?

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  28. @oddsbodkins
    San Quentin prison houses thousands of minority residents in Marin county. Rent has been low and stable for decades, and sometimes Johnny Cash comes to visit.

    There was also Alcatraz, a scenic isolated community that had never implemented the odious red-lining and other discriminating practices seen in other more racist parts of the gay bay area. Alas, it has succumbed to gentrification, not to mention rocket fire on the guard tower by that law-and-order nut, Mr. Callahan and his LAWS missiles.

    Funny stuff, Odds, I just had to pile on.

    No, I couldn’t find the video. ;-{

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    Well, Nicholas Cage did try to save it from the F-18's, but tragically . . .

    (How long will white males be allowed to say "abort, abort" in the presence of a crying young female?) (The U.S. Navy is going to need a new term!)

    https://youtu.be/aEt1ePZGHTY
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  29. e says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The whole "explanation" reeks of conservative white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do. There are always environmental issues, low-cost housing really doesn't help the poor, they like living in crowded neighborhoods far away from where they work, etc., etc. Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    Their hypocrisy is detestable; their expectation that they should be able to live w/out thugs around is not. Thugs should be put away…from all of us. Subcultures that produce them, protect them, or glorify them should be shamed publicly forever and ever

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    Their hypocrisy is detestable; their expectation that they should be able to live w/out thugs around is not.
     
    Their expectations for themselves are not detestable in isolation but they are certainly unreasonable, and not desirable to honor, if they continue to juxtapose them with direct or indirect support for a regime which imposes thugs on their countrymen.
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  30. I don’t know if revenge was Lucas’s motivation. He married a black woman and made the movie Red Tails praising the Tuskegee Airmen, so I think he may be trying to atone for some of the heat he’s always gotten for the Star Wars movies supposedly being racist.

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  31. @Tiny Duck
    The whole "explanation" reeks of conservative white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do. There are always environmental issues, low-cost housing really doesn't help the poor, they like living in crowded neighborhoods far away from where they work, etc., etc. Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    Wow, you just agreed with everyone here. Proud of you bro!

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  32. @Alec Leamas
    Marin County has unique qualities which could be harmed by additional development which isn't the case in other places. For example, Marin County is full of very rich people, while other places are not. Why would you want to change that?

    Lot of the younger population of Marin County are poor minorities. The schools are at least 40 percent Latino now because richer whites don’t have kids but maids and so forth do. Probably, the kids will leave the area for Bakersfield or Texas which means Marin County will continue to age out.

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    In southern Marin, people who happen to have kids send them to ritzy private schools in San Francisco. For the families farther north, there's a fancy private school in or near Ross. My ex-gf from Belvedere said the public schools were super ghetto.
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  33. Anonabana says:
    @Moshe
    Thank God the people of Marin County have GOB on their side!

    https://youtu.be/TAqo-NZDuys

    You must be taking stupid pills!

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    Not really, most of California overprice real estate is due to Chinese. Orange County and Los Angels housing would be about 100,000 less if there were no Chinese. LA and OC could lose millions of people to Texas, Arizona and so forth in the next decade. If Trump changes legal immigration far less Latinos and Asians come to California. Texas zoning laws have not prevented big gains in housing and rent the past 5 years. North Dallas while still cheaper than Denver is getting there because way too many people are moving there. Its true by 2030, Collin County Texas could be 3 million. Texas use to be a lot cheaper than Arizona but many markets in Arizona are cheaper than some of the metro markets in Texas. Texas is now only 3 percent cheaper than the US average while slower growing states in the Midwest and south are about 10 percent cheaper according to recent data by the US census,
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  34. Pat Boyle says:

    Maybe we don’t have a ‘housing problem’ at all. Maybe it’s a population problem.

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  35. AM says:

    But…affordable housing isn’t quaint. What’s up with trying to force that on Marin County?

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    Because you want to twist the knife in your enemies and make them live up to their own ideals.

    Jenner's comment about this place being full of aging boomers taking on water as reality floods them is one of the most prescient things said. No wonder it was cuckservatism all the time until recently with the "Why do we want to win? That's not nice!" Generation running things.
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  36. @JerseyGuy
    Affluent Boston suburbs, which overwhelmingly vote Democrat, enact building restrictions through open space purchases funded through the Community Preservation Act, as well as through large lot zoning. The Boston metro area has quietly become one of the most expensive regions in the country over the last few years. They do have funding for affordable housing through the CPA as well but it doesn't do much. I can't say that I blame them. It is a historical region and should be preserved. However, I wish they would just admit their hypocrisy, which of course won't happen.

    Say what you want about the Texas Model but it does seem to work for the working classes.

    I would not picked the Texas model. In North Dallas housing prices have jumped from 20,000 to 100,000 because Collin County is growing fast and lots of professional jobs are going there. Collin County will have more wealth than Marin in 10 years but more poverty since it also gets a lot of Latinos and over minorities and is predicted to be 3 million. Texas zoning is not the best. You can have restricted zoning and slow population growth and be cheap. California’s counties like Kern and Frenso are now cheaper than Collin County. Austin-Travis is predicted to be more expensive than Riverside County in a decade.

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  37. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Low income housing for thee, but not for me.

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  38. Jesus, Steve, you’re relentless.

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  39. WR says:
    @Alec Leamas
    Marin County has unique qualities which could be harmed by additional development which isn't the case in other places. For example, Marin County is full of very rich people, while other places are not. Why would you want to change that?

    Yes, let’s preserve the natural habitat of wealthy Sanders-voting white people. After all, aren’t these filthy rich leftist a subgroup of Caucassius Californius, a currently endangered species in The Golden State?

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  40. Marty says:
    @Superposition
    As a TL homeowner who loves to run those hills and has kids to send to local schools, I love it! I start every single day with a bout of evil laughter while twirling my mustache.

    I was at the Northgate shopping center a few years ago. Standing nearby was a group of somewhat dangerous looking white teens, who seemed to be an audience for a slightly older black guy. Finally the black guy bid adieu, with the admonition “stay black.” To which one of the whites answered, “always.”

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    That's pretty funny . I got a flat tire driving through the hood a couple of years back and I was on the side of the road putting on the donut when a black guy about 15 years older than me stopped his car and asked if I needed help .I told him no thanks but he stopped the car anyway and kept me company and chit chatted until I was finished . When he left he said " I hope you don't take this the wrong way , but "Stay Black ". I just laughed uncontrollably , I couldn't help it and he was laughing too all the way back to his car .....................................

    Another funny thing he told me during our conversation was that he was born and raised into a nation of islam family and convered to christianity in college .

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  41. @Superposition
    As a TL homeowner who loves to run those hills and has kids to send to local schools, I love it! I start every single day with a bout of evil laughter while twirling my mustache.

    You scoundrel!

    How can you live with yourself, knowing that you are denying your offspring the many wondrous benefits of exposure to vibrant diversity? How can you sleep at night?

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  42. @Anonabana
    You must be taking stupid pills!

    Not really, most of California overprice real estate is due to Chinese. Orange County and Los Angels housing would be about 100,000 less if there were no Chinese. LA and OC could lose millions of people to Texas, Arizona and so forth in the next decade. If Trump changes legal immigration far less Latinos and Asians come to California. Texas zoning laws have not prevented big gains in housing and rent the past 5 years. North Dallas while still cheaper than Denver is getting there because way too many people are moving there. Its true by 2030, Collin County Texas could be 3 million. Texas use to be a lot cheaper than Arizona but many markets in Arizona are cheaper than some of the metro markets in Texas. Texas is now only 3 percent cheaper than the US average while slower growing states in the Midwest and south are about 10 percent cheaper according to recent data by the US census,

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  43. tyrone says:

    Like we need more reasons to hate marin county

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  44. @AM
    But...affordable housing isn't quaint. What's up with trying to force that on Marin County?

    Because you want to twist the knife in your enemies and make them live up to their own ideals.

    Jenner’s comment about this place being full of aging boomers taking on water as reality floods them is one of the most prescient things said. No wonder it was cuckservatism all the time until recently with the “Why do we want to win? That’s not nice!” Generation running things.

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  45. res says:
    @oddsbodkins
    San Quentin prison houses thousands of minority residents in Marin county. Rent has been low and stable for decades, and sometimes Johnny Cash comes to visit.

    Looking at demographic data for “San Quentin” (quotes because I imagine the definition varies for different statistics) is interesting. From https://www.point2homes.com/US/Neighborhood/CA/San-Quentin-Demographics.html we see that the average income was $94k with average household net worth over $1M while 2/3 of residents had less than a high school diploma. I’m surprised this did not qualify as magic dirt in Raj Chetty’s work.

    I had some trouble finding racial data for the prison (for example, Marin data is substituted at http://www.clrsearch.com/San-Quentin-Demographics/CA/Population-by-Race-and-Ethnicity ), but downloading data for 2005 from http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/NACJD/studies/24642/version/2
    we see San Quentin had 5456 total inmates of whom 1891 were white and 2064 black.
    (that looks like a good source for 2005 population data on all US state and federal correctional facilities)

    Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County,_California#Demographics Marin County has about 6,000 blacks. I wonder if the San Quentin residents are being counted in that. Seems like it would be a good way to boost their diversity numbers.

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  46. MEH 0910 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The whole "explanation" reeks of conservative white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do. There are always environmental issues, low-cost housing really doesn't help the poor, they like living in crowded neighborhoods far away from where they work, etc., etc. Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    The whole “explanation” reeks of conservative liberal white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do.

    Fixed it for you.

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  47. MB says: • Website
    @Tiny Duck
    The whole "explanation" reeks of conservative white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do. There are always environmental issues, low-cost housing really doesn't help the poor, they like living in crowded neighborhoods far away from where they work, etc., etc. Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    TD you wouldn’t be a poor guilty white liberal as opposed to a rich guilty white liberal, would you?
    Either that or you are an alt right pseudonymous troll playing the hare to the greyhounds.
    (I see you Richard Spencer, hiding behind that monitor.)

    But hey, gotta stick up for the tribe, right? That’s one way to advance in our elite meritocracy when you are on the bottom.
    Let me know when you get closer to the top.

    Just don’t let the glass ceiling dampen the progressive ardor or flatten your IQ curve. You wouldn’t be able to entertain yourself or anybody else over here any more.
    What a pity that would be.

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    TD, alas, is just a dumb Afro-American.
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  48. Question to any boxers and/or self defense devotees out there:

    Are people trained to use a liver shot in self defense classes? Seems to me to be highly effective: big target, people are going to defend their face more than their ribs.

    Is it harder than I’m thinking? Or without boxing gloves is there a chance of breaking your hand on someone’s ribs?

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    the floating ribs,very easy to break
    , @Marty
    Generally no, not in CQB/Kravmaga style training. To be effective that punch takes a lot of practice on a heavy bag, and instruction for street defense assumes no such opportunity. The average street punk comes in with his chin up in the air, which means the most effective first move is an open palm arriving invisibly from underneath. Once the head snaps back in surprise, either run or follow up with something to the groin. I tried the hook to the ribs on a guy in Berkeley in the '90's- no effect. Build up your wrists with 10 lb. weights - on a guy 6'0"/200, the head is heavy.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    NJ, an ironworker I knew stumbled and fell hitting his side on a short column. The impact snapped a short rib that punctured his aorta , killing him in a matter of seconds. You could do a lot of damage with a kick to that area, however most of us, lets be honest, can't kick that high.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    NJ, an ironworker I knew stumbled and fell hitting his side on a short column. The impact snapped a short rib that punctured his aorta , killing him in a matter of seconds. You could do a lot of damage with a kick to that area, however most of us, lets be honest, can't kick that high.
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  49. J1234 says:

    This reveals the facile nature of social justice as a form of morality, at least when compared to more traditional forms of morality. It’s a talk that you don’t have to walk. I have a liberal relative who’s worth millions of dollars. When her state proposed building energy producing windmills near her expensive house, she had a fit. “They’re noisy and ugly,” she said. There may have been some convenient face saving argument attached, I can’t remember. Like “they kill birds” or something, but it was noisy and ugly that were the issues (I know her too well.)

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    they kill birds

     

    Bird vs Wind Turbine
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  50. Nico says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Easy. They use the same defense as my neighbors: I'm colorblind.

    Here are a few examples.

    Me: Well, for someone who's so against racism, you live in oddly white area.

    Neighbor: Is it white? I never noticed since I don't look at people's color. I just looked for a safe, clean neighborhood. This neighborhood just as easily could have been heavily black or Hispanic, wouldn't have mattered to me. Why are you so opposed by race?

    Me: If you love diversity so much, why are you sending your kids to a school that 80%+ white and Asian?

    Neighbor: I have no idea what the demographics of the school are. It never dawned on me to look. I just wanted a good school with good test scores. That doesn't mean the school will be white, black, Hispanic or Asian. All students can learn. Are you saying that only white and Asian kids are smart? That's ridiculous. One of my good friends in college was a black guy, and he was one of the smarter people that I've ever known. Why can't you get past a person's color?


    You see. The Colorblind Defense is awesome. You can be as racist as you want and still accuse others of racism is they try and point out their hypocrisy.

    Btw, my neighbors that use the Colorblind Defense (and truly believe it in their hearts) are mostly conservative Republicans, though mostly of a Paul Ryan mold. This is why it drives me nuts that everyone around here always complain about "leftists" or liberals. The right is just as much true believers in the Cult of Equality as the left.

    I agree with everything you say, especially the last paragraph: so-called “conservative” normie Republicans need to be banged over the head and asked if they think it’s a crime to notice correlations. (As has been said numerous times on Sailer’a blog, P.C. can be chalked up in large part to a “war on noticing.”)

    However, I was aiming specifically at self-styled liberals and progressives who use the term “dog-whistle words” while preferring the whitest enclaves possible within their “cosmopolite” paradises. They more than anyone need to be asked some hardball questions in public forums.

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    Yeah, I get what you're saying.

    Btw, my favorite way to poke liberal and conservative true believers is pointing out that I believe in the Theory of Evolution while they are the equivalent of hardcore Christians who believe the earth was created 10,000 years ago. I'm Galileo, and they're the medieval priest.

    They always believe that they are on the side of good and progress so they're none too pleased to have the fact that they're science-denying book-burners doesn't sit well. Point that out and watch the hilarious over-reaction.
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  51. Nico says:
    @Whiskey
    Trump should stick it to Marin. Put in FEDERAL low income housing with many, many Vibrants. Including lots of Somali Muslims from Minnesota and Maine, and lots and lots of MS 13 Vibrancy plus people from Ferguson. Indeed he should show up in Ferguson and offer free housing in Marin County right next door to Lucas to any who want to move their, free of charge on the Feds. That's something I could get behind.

    Arisotocracy is something women LOVE LOVE LOVE like a Disney Princess story. Women desire the most unequal society ever so they can pick out the dominant dudes; a flat society that is equal is hateful to women because it does not produce tingles. That's why Game of Thrones is such a chick-flick -- they love the inequality and cruelty/sadism which is arousing to women.

    Thus the aristocracy getting away with this stuff is part and parcel of our female domination -- along with the poz. Every society has an aristocracy but male dominated ones in the West required male lower class patronage; not female-exciting tingles abuse and domination.

    Just like women need the men they want, good and hard as Mencken noted (no pun intended), abusive a-holes and nothing else, so elites should be made to sniff the diversity right up their nose, and never be able to escape it. Lets put refugee camps right in Malibu, and put a giant Muslim refugee camp right next to Babaru MechaStreisand's compound.

    Trump should stick it to Marin. Put in FEDERAL low income housing with many, many Vibrants. Including lots of Somali Muslims from Minnesota and Maine, and lots and lots of MS 13 Vibrancy plus people from Ferguson. Indeed he should show up in Ferguson and offer free housing in Marin County right next door to Lucas to any who want to move their, free of charge on the Feds. That’s something I could get behind.

    As has been lamented in another thread, Trump has a psychological block to doing this, one very common in (though by no means exclusive to) boomers: his inability to take a grim view of the general course of America and the innate ill intentions of a [left-wing] faction within. Otherwise he certainly would be doing something exactly like what you just described.

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  52. Nico says:
    @e
    Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    Their hypocrisy is detestable; their expectation that they should be able to live w/out thugs around is not. Thugs should be put away...from all of us. Subcultures that produce them, protect them, or glorify them should be shamed publicly forever and ever

    Their hypocrisy is detestable; their expectation that they should be able to live w/out thugs around is not.

    Their expectations for themselves are not detestable in isolation but they are certainly unreasonable, and not desirable to honor, if they continue to juxtapose them with direct or indirect support for a regime which imposes thugs on their countrymen.

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  54. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Tiny Duck
    The whole "explanation" reeks of conservative white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do. There are always environmental issues, low-cost housing really doesn't help the poor, they like living in crowded neighborhoods far away from where they work, etc., etc. Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    While writing this, you totally fell out of character, and except for the word “conservative” you started making sense. You forgot you wanted to write a troll comment, didn’t you?

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  55. @Clark Westwood
    Very OT: Does the current environment of "wrong ideas must be shut down, not debated" have its roots in the Holocaust-denial battles of the 1990s? This occurred to me when reading a 2001 article on Holocaust denial by the Milton scholar Stanley Fish. Consider this amazing piece of advice for dealing with denialist arguments:

    Resist appeals to fairness, process, free speech, academic freedom, or any other "principle" invoked in order to lend a veneer of legitimacy to arguments that would otherwise not be taken seriously. (These resonant words and phrases have done honorable work in the past, but in the present case they are being wielded as weapons and anyone who rises to their bait is saying "hit me again" and playing the game on the enemy's terms.) Insist that truths generally acknowledged enjoy an earned privileged position and that anyone who seeks to dislodge them must jump over a formidable succession of hurdles; the playing field is not level and shouldn't be. Rely without apology on the ordinary, tried and true, sources of authority -- government agencies, official commissions of inquiry, standard works of scholarship, and the received wisdom of professional bodies and associations.
     
    from Stanley Fish, Holocaust Denial and Academic Freedom, 35 Valparaiso Univ. Law Review 499, 505.

    Fish is right, in his point that you don’t owe the holocaust denier a real argument. In the same way, you don’t owe the “faked moon landing” people a real argument.

    If you want to argue 5.5 vs 6.5 million, that could be a real argument, though I don’t see what purpose it could serve. I suspose a denier might pursue this just to try to cast doubt on the whole thing.

    It’s too bad he suggests resting on government and other “official” sources so heavily. They’ve been wrong before, and that’s an obvious weakness in his tactic.

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    Fish is right, in his point that you don’t owe the holocaust denier a real argument. In the same way, you don’t owe the “faked moon landing” people a real argument.
     
    IMO explaining is always preferable, assuming you're inclined to respond at all (which of course you're not obligated to do). I think Fish's attitude ultimately leads to things like college students shouting down any speaker they don't like.
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  56. It seems Marin has the most magic zip code of all. Not only does it convey wealth upon those who have been granted the unearned privilege of living there, it actually contains a counter spell to those outsiders who might claim its magic power. Now that is some powerful magic air and dirt.

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  57. Somewhat relatedly:

    I recently, by happenstance, came across the shocking fact that crime in Colchester, vermont, increased some thirty-six per cent in 2008, which arched an eyebrow with me, so I couldn’t help but investigate a bit. We need to get Robert Lair and his wife Adrie Kusserow appointments at the College of Marin.

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    I recently, by happenstance, came across the shocking fact that crime in Colchester, vermont, increased some thirty-six per cent in 2008, which arched an eyebrow with me, so I couldn’t help but investigate a bit.
     
    So people don't have to read: It's when the Somali refugees got plopped into their natural habitat, Winooski, VT - a dying mill town on the edge of Burlington. Winooski was part of Colchester and when the mills went in, wanted city slicker things like electric lights that rural Colchester was unwilling to pay for. It's mile square that broke off, but it is Colchester.

    We lived the dream, actually. We sold a house and moved in downstairs from Somali refugees in South Burlington, on a bus line. That was eye opening. I still can't get people to believe our cat got fleas from the flop house it became. (<--yes, I understand the implications and it wasn't lice.)

    Before moving south and after breaking the first lease after 1 too many police cars showed up, we rented in Colchester to stay close to my husband's work, literally less than a walking distance to Winooski. The vibrant diversity of having the ghetto move in into the roughers part of town was certainly thrilling. You could tell the very old stock of middle class French Canadians that were left because they were the only vaguely kept up properties in that part of town.

    , @Vermont Apple
    The financial crisis may have been a contributing factor.
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  58. indocon says:

    This is a perfect opportunity for Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump to sue Marin County for housing in school choice discrimination. Force them to build 50k housing units for all those teaming masses that have to work across the bay in San Francisco but commute as far as Merced, and force busing between Marin and Richmond/Vallejo schools to increase diversity in both places.

    Can you imagine how owesum this would be? What could be the reaction from likes of NYT and CNN?

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  59. Another meme created by Steve – “Specialness “. It’s why anything happens that actually shouldn’t in a sane world . Or doesn’t that should . Related mostly to trendy and foolish leftist viewpoints .

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  60. MBlanc46 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The whole "explanation" reeks of conservative white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do. There are always environmental issues, low-cost housing really doesn't help the poor, they like living in crowded neighborhoods far away from where they work, etc., etc. Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    “Espousing their moral superiority over everything and refusing to sacrifice anything”: Typical Leftists.

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  61. OFWHAP says:
    @cynthia curran
    Lot of the younger population of Marin County are poor minorities. The schools are at least 40 percent Latino now because richer whites don't have kids but maids and so forth do. Probably, the kids will leave the area for Bakersfield or Texas which means Marin County will continue to age out.

    In southern Marin, people who happen to have kids send them to ritzy private schools in San Francisco. For the families farther north, there’s a fancy private school in or near Ross. My ex-gf from Belvedere said the public schools were super ghetto.

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    False, unless you mean the very southernmost corner of Marin, Sausalito, which shares its K-8 school district with the Marin City housing project. Most of southern Marin is happy with their excellent public schools.

    When she said Belvedere's schools were "super ghetto" she was pulling your leg. Belvedere is effectively a private island of 2,000 ultra-rich people who share a small-and-excellent K-8 school district with Tiburon, a peninsula of 8,000 very-rich people.
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  62. Shaq says:

    Silicon Valley does it even better than Marin. Just take land off the market by convincing the rich and famous to donate it. POST has “protected” (lol) over 75,000 acres.

    https://openspacetrust.org/about/

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  63. tyrone says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    Question to any boxers and/or self defense devotees out there:

    Are people trained to use a liver shot in self defense classes? Seems to me to be highly effective: big target, people are going to defend their face more than their ribs.

    Is it harder than I'm thinking? Or without boxing gloves is there a chance of breaking your hand on someone's ribs?

    the floating ribs,very easy to break

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  64. dr kill says:
    @fish

    It’s just the Ebonic version of “daiquiri”.
     
    I thought it might just be another case of "inner city spelling" (Hi Tiny)......Dackery being a feeble attempt at "Zachary" but I like your explanation better!

    It’s the way Leonard Pitts spells daiquiri.

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  65. Marty says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    Question to any boxers and/or self defense devotees out there:

    Are people trained to use a liver shot in self defense classes? Seems to me to be highly effective: big target, people are going to defend their face more than their ribs.

    Is it harder than I'm thinking? Or without boxing gloves is there a chance of breaking your hand on someone's ribs?

    Generally no, not in CQB/Kravmaga style training. To be effective that punch takes a lot of practice on a heavy bag, and instruction for street defense assumes no such opportunity. The average street punk comes in with his chin up in the air, which means the most effective first move is an open palm arriving invisibly from underneath. Once the head snaps back in surprise, either run or follow up with something to the groin. I tried the hook to the ribs on a guy in Berkeley in the ’90′s- no effect. Build up your wrists with 10 lb. weights – on a guy 6’0″/200, the head is heavy.

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  66. @oddsbodkins
    Fish is right, in his point that you don't owe the holocaust denier a real argument. In the same way, you don't owe the "faked moon landing" people a real argument.

    If you want to argue 5.5 vs 6.5 million, that could be a real argument, though I don't see what purpose it could serve. I suspose a denier might pursue this just to try to cast doubt on the whole thing.

    It's too bad he suggests resting on government and other "official" sources so heavily. They've been wrong before, and that's an obvious weakness in his tactic.

    Fish is right, in his point that you don’t owe the holocaust denier a real argument. In the same way, you don’t owe the “faked moon landing” people a real argument.

    IMO explaining is always preferable, assuming you’re inclined to respond at all (which of course you’re not obligated to do). I think Fish’s attitude ultimately leads to things like college students shouting down any speaker they don’t like.

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  67. @Nico
    I agree with everything you say, especially the last paragraph: so-called "conservative" normie Republicans need to be banged over the head and asked if they think it's a crime to notice correlations. (As has been said numerous times on Sailer'a blog, P.C. can be chalked up in large part to a "war on noticing.")

    However, I was aiming specifically at self-styled liberals and progressives who use the term "dog-whistle words" while preferring the whitest enclaves possible within their "cosmopolite" paradises. They more than anyone need to be asked some hardball questions in public forums.

    Yeah, I get what you’re saying.

    Btw, my favorite way to poke liberal and conservative true believers is pointing out that I believe in the Theory of Evolution while they are the equivalent of hardcore Christians who believe the earth was created 10,000 years ago. I’m Galileo, and they’re the medieval priest.

    They always believe that they are on the side of good and progress so they’re none too pleased to have the fact that they’re science-denying book-burners doesn’t sit well. Point that out and watch the hilarious over-reaction.

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  68. @Whiskey
    Trump should stick it to Marin. Put in FEDERAL low income housing with many, many Vibrants. Including lots of Somali Muslims from Minnesota and Maine, and lots and lots of MS 13 Vibrancy plus people from Ferguson. Indeed he should show up in Ferguson and offer free housing in Marin County right next door to Lucas to any who want to move their, free of charge on the Feds. That's something I could get behind.

    Arisotocracy is something women LOVE LOVE LOVE like a Disney Princess story. Women desire the most unequal society ever so they can pick out the dominant dudes; a flat society that is equal is hateful to women because it does not produce tingles. That's why Game of Thrones is such a chick-flick -- they love the inequality and cruelty/sadism which is arousing to women.

    Thus the aristocracy getting away with this stuff is part and parcel of our female domination -- along with the poz. Every society has an aristocracy but male dominated ones in the West required male lower class patronage; not female-exciting tingles abuse and domination.

    Just like women need the men they want, good and hard as Mencken noted (no pun intended), abusive a-holes and nothing else, so elites should be made to sniff the diversity right up their nose, and never be able to escape it. Lets put refugee camps right in Malibu, and put a giant Muslim refugee camp right next to Babaru MechaStreisand's compound.

    Arisotocracy is something women LOVE LOVE LOVE like a Disney Princess story. Women desire the most unequal society ever so they can pick out the dominant dudes; a flat society that is equal is hateful to women because it does not produce tingles. That’s why Game of Thrones is such a chick-flick — they love the inequality and cruelty/sadism which is arousing to women.

    Whiskey,

    You may have a ridiculous blind spot when it comes to Jews, but you certainly do know your Nice White Ladies. Nice call.

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    You may have a ridiculous blind spot when it comes to Jews, but you certainly do know your Nice White Ladies. Nice call.
     
    He does. It's hard to imagine why some lucky girl hasn't snatched him up him yet.
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  69. @J1234
    This reveals the facile nature of social justice as a form of morality, at least when compared to more traditional forms of morality. It's a talk that you don't have to walk. I have a liberal relative who's worth millions of dollars. When her state proposed building energy producing windmills near her expensive house, she had a fit. "They're noisy and ugly," she said. There may have been some convenient face saving argument attached, I can't remember. Like "they kill birds" or something, but it was noisy and ugly that were the issues (I know her too well.)

    they kill birds

    Bird vs Wind Turbine

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    Bird vs Wind Turbine
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/15/wind-turbines-kill-fewer-birds-than-cell-towers-cats/15683843/

    I wonder how many old liberal women are going to give up their cats?
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  70. Lot says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    If I remember correctly, Sean Penn moved his family out to Marin County after his wife was carjacked in Santa Monica in 1996. Sean Penn's wife, Robin Wright, was parking her Toyota Land Cruiser at night when she was accosted by two thugs, one or both of them had a gun.

    An 18 year old thug named Dackery Williams was arrested along with a 16 year old thug. I do remember the name of Marin County being used as the place Sean Penn took his family after the carjacking attack on Robin Wright.

    It appears that Los Angeles cops retire in Idaho. Is it the case that some Hollywood types retreat to Marin County after they are involved in unpleasant multicultural attacks?

    Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-05-30/news/9605310297_1_carjacking-police-arrest-forrest-gump

    If I remember correctly, Sean Penn moved his family out to Marin County after his wife was carjacked in Santa Monica in 1996.

    LA has plenty of suburbs where Dackery would have been pulled over within 15 seconds of entering city limits. There is about a 98% chance he would have an active warrant and/or no current and active license, registration, and insurance.

    Santa Monica and Venice Beach have always had a lot of street crime and there have always been less cool but much safer suburbs nearby. Marina del Rey, Manhattan Beach, Rancho Palos Verdes, and of course Malibu.

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    Santa Monica is nobody's "suburb". It is a fine city with a glorious beach, a splendid housing stock and the best weather for fifty miles up or down the coast.
    Marina del Rey is a boring place to tie up one's boat, Manhattan Beach is featureless, but I'll give you Rancho Palos Verdes.
    As for Malibu - don't get me started.
    It's funny though to read that Sean Penn "moved his family out to Marin County", as though he were relocating to the next town. It's five hundred miles away, for heaven's sake; if California weren't so big, it would be in another state. I'll agree however that it is just the sort of rootless place that a Hollywood actor would feel comfortable living in.
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  71. Olorin says:
    @reiner Tor
    Well, our elites think that when they segregate themselves from the rest of us, it's not really hateful, because, well, they are the elites, and everybody else is just riffraff, and so it's not racist for the elites to segregate themselves from riffraff. But when the riffraff wants to segregate itself from other riffraff, well, that's just hateful, because they want to do that based on race (explicitly or implicitly). From the viewpoint of our elites, riffraff shouldn't want nice lives for themselves - I mean, they have miserable lives anyway, why do these ignoramuses care for how miserable? Isn't it all the same below $50,000 a year?

    From the viewpoint of our elites, riffraff shouldn’t want nice lives for themselves – I mean, they have miserable lives anyway, why do these ignoramuses care for how miserable? Isn’t it all the same below $50,000 a year?

    I heard so many variations of this in foundation circles, it boggles. They actually, really, genuinely do think that.

    Somewhere around 1995–when he was boinking then hiring for several City Hall positions a certain gal whom the Dems have been grooming since the ’90s for a 2020s POTUS run–SF Mayor Willie Brown said that nobody who makes less than $50,000 a year belongs in SF.

    That’s upwards of $80,000 in Current Year Bux.

    Let’s see…that would be a $39.26 an hour minimum wage.

    Segregation for me, not for thee. It would be wasted on you whereas I can appreciate and savor it fully. Now shut up while I make your life more miserable, because it’s all for the greater good.

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    [Willie Brown] was boinking then hiring for several City Hall positions a certain gal whom the Dems have been grooming since the ’90s for a 2020s POTUS run
     
    Kamala?
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  72. Be compassionate: Bus panhandlers from Oakland to Marin.

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  73. AM says:
    @Autochthon
    Somewhat relatedly:

    I recently, by happenstance, came across the shocking fact that crime in Colchester, vermont, increased some thirty-six per cent in 2008, which arched an eyebrow with me, so I couldn't help but investigate a bit. We need to get Robert Lair and his wife Adrie Kusserow appointments at the College of Marin.

    I recently, by happenstance, came across the shocking fact that crime in Colchester, vermont, increased some thirty-six per cent in 2008, which arched an eyebrow with me, so I couldn’t help but investigate a bit.

    So people don’t have to read: It’s when the Somali refugees got plopped into their natural habitat, Winooski, VT – a dying mill town on the edge of Burlington. Winooski was part of Colchester and when the mills went in, wanted city slicker things like electric lights that rural Colchester was unwilling to pay for. It’s mile square that broke off, but it is Colchester.

    We lived the dream, actually. We sold a house and moved in downstairs from Somali refugees in South Burlington, on a bus line. That was eye opening. I still can’t get people to believe our cat got fleas from the flop house it became. (<–yes, I understand the implications and it wasn't lice.)

    Before moving south and after breaking the first lease after 1 too many police cars showed up, we rented in Colchester to stay close to my husband's work, literally less than a walking distance to Winooski. The vibrant diversity of having the ghetto move in into the roughers part of town was certainly thrilling. You could tell the very old stock of middle class French Canadians that were left because they were the only vaguely kept up properties in that part of town.

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  74. AM says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Arisotocracy is something women LOVE LOVE LOVE like a Disney Princess story. Women desire the most unequal society ever so they can pick out the dominant dudes; a flat society that is equal is hateful to women because it does not produce tingles. That’s why Game of Thrones is such a chick-flick — they love the inequality and cruelty/sadism which is arousing to women.
     
    Whiskey,

    You may have a ridiculous blind spot when it comes to Jews, but you certainly do know your Nice White Ladies. Nice call.

    You may have a ridiculous blind spot when it comes to Jews, but you certainly do know your Nice White Ladies. Nice call.

    He does. It’s hard to imagine why some lucky girl hasn’t snatched him up him yet.

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  75. @TG
    Borders for me but not for thee.

    Rich people can stop poor people from other districts from sending their kids to their schools in search of a better life - they even have detectives following kids home from school to check that they really live in the district! Your papers, please. And yet, Americans living in poor districts somehow cannot discriminate against poor foreign national children.

    And the Pope, his holy hypocritcalness, has the Vatican City ringed with heavily armed guards and woe betide any 'refugee' trying to camp out in St. Peter's Square.

    Because 'there shall be open borders' is so only for little people.

    Rich people can stop poor people from other districts from sending their kids to their schools in search of a better life – they even have detectives following kids home from school to check that they really live in the district!

    This.

    Marin County is unusual in having many tiny school districts – 20 districts for a population of 250,000. A defense against diversity, so the children of Ross (Sean Penn’s home) don’t have to rub shoulders with the children of Marin City (Tupac Shakur’s home)?

    (Across the bridge, SF has a single mega-district for rich and poor, with the predictable result that the rich have fled either to private schools or to the suburbs.)

    And school districts do police this. Friends had to provide a passport and four proofs of residency just to register their kid. There’s an anonymous tip line to report cheaters, even legitimate families who move mid-year and don’t re-register immediately.

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  76. J1234 says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    they kill birds

     

    Bird vs Wind Turbine

    Bird vs Wind Turbine

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/15/wind-turbines-kill-fewer-birds-than-cell-towers-cats/15683843/

    I wonder how many old liberal women are going to give up their cats?

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    I have a cat who killed at least one bird a day in the old neighbourhood. Since the left-wing fascists drove me out with their pitchforks and torches, he is now cooped up in a flat all day to keep him safe from the marauding bands of Mexicans and Arabs who consider torturing cats to be recreation. So you see, Nice White Ladies like the loaded protestor of the turbine need not worry; by harrying people like me, she has saved enough birds to offset any deaths from her own cat or (should she find a suitable place for them nearer to poor Americans) her windmills. Displacing Americans with cats from our homes is, for people like her, kind of like purchasing an indulgence carbon offset to make flying in a private jet okay.
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  77. Dr. X says:
    @kihowi
    I thought Compton and Oakland were more Julio than Devontay these days. Another reason why Dre can't make another proper album.

    I thought Compton and Oakland were more Julio than Devontay these days.

    According the Census, that’s true of Compton, but not Oakland:

    Compton: 33% Black, 65% Hispanic

    Oakland: 34% Black, 25.4% Hispanic

    Of course, those are 2010 numbers, which are getting a bit dated in 2017… so YMMV.

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    According the Census, that’s true of Compton, but not Oakland:

    Compton: 33% Black, 65% Hispanic

    Oakland: 34% Black, 25.4% Hispanic

    Of course, those are 2010 numbers, which are getting a bit dated in 2017… so YMMV.
     

    I was just gonna say, Compton is primarily hispanic, with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else. Oakland has strong pockets of black jackasses, but it's changing as the blacks are incarcerated, HUD rental opportunities dwindle thanks to landlords who learned their lesson, and whites who need a home somewhere vaguely in the vicinity of San Francisco.
    It'll shift to white and hispanic pretty soon, peppered with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else.

    Say what you like about hispanic illegal immigrants, but they've helped expedite the essential ethnic cleansing of blacks out of traditionally black stronghold areas in a fraction of the time it would take via traditional gentrification. For that, we owe them a nod.

    The results illegal immigrants have achieved in extricating blacks from Compton is remarkable. By the time "Straight Outta Compton" was released, it was comically irrelevant.

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  78. @Clark Westwood
    Very OT: Does the current environment of "wrong ideas must be shut down, not debated" have its roots in the Holocaust-denial battles of the 1990s? This occurred to me when reading a 2001 article on Holocaust denial by the Milton scholar Stanley Fish. Consider this amazing piece of advice for dealing with denialist arguments:

    Resist appeals to fairness, process, free speech, academic freedom, or any other "principle" invoked in order to lend a veneer of legitimacy to arguments that would otherwise not be taken seriously. (These resonant words and phrases have done honorable work in the past, but in the present case they are being wielded as weapons and anyone who rises to their bait is saying "hit me again" and playing the game on the enemy's terms.) Insist that truths generally acknowledged enjoy an earned privileged position and that anyone who seeks to dislodge them must jump over a formidable succession of hurdles; the playing field is not level and shouldn't be. Rely without apology on the ordinary, tried and true, sources of authority -- government agencies, official commissions of inquiry, standard works of scholarship, and the received wisdom of professional bodies and associations.
     
    from Stanley Fish, Holocaust Denial and Academic Freedom, 35 Valparaiso Univ. Law Review 499, 505.

    No. As far as I can tell it’s always been that way. Fifty years ago Shockley and Jensen were attacked and ostracized.

    The Left has never countenanced fair debate because the Left is always in the wrong. As aggressors, the Left advances by force and fraud. And free inquiry will invariably uncover this fact.

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  79. @Lot

    If I remember correctly, Sean Penn moved his family out to Marin County after his wife was carjacked in Santa Monica in 1996.
     
    LA has plenty of suburbs where Dackery would have been pulled over within 15 seconds of entering city limits. There is about a 98% chance he would have an active warrant and/or no current and active license, registration, and insurance.

    Santa Monica and Venice Beach have always had a lot of street crime and there have always been less cool but much safer suburbs nearby. Marina del Rey, Manhattan Beach, Rancho Palos Verdes, and of course Malibu.

    Santa Monica is nobody’s “suburb”. It is a fine city with a glorious beach, a splendid housing stock and the best weather for fifty miles up or down the coast.
    Marina del Rey is a boring place to tie up one’s boat, Manhattan Beach is featureless, but I’ll give you Rancho Palos Verdes.
    As for Malibu – don’t get me started.
    It’s funny though to read that Sean Penn “moved his family out to Marin County”, as though he were relocating to the next town. It’s five hundred miles away, for heaven’s sake; if California weren’t so big, it would be in another state. I’ll agree however that it is just the sort of rootless place that a Hollywood actor would feel comfortable living in.

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    Marina del Rey is a boring place to tie up one’s boat, Manhattan Beach is featureless, but I’ll give you Rancho Palos Verdes.
     
    You need to take Rancho Palos Verdes back. Go to Point Fermin park, and especially the outdoor basketball courts next to the Korean Bell of Friendship. It's chock full of poor hispanics hauling their piles of kids around, lightly peppered with hood ratty black kids. Hispanics love anything that doesn't cost anything that they can take their kids, and the Point Fermin area fits the bill. It's heavily weighted towards the poor ethnic around there, at least in the common park areas. They can't afford to live there. But they're there in significant numbers.

    Back in the seventies, it was a paradise. Now it's a little sketchy.

    , @Lot
    I agree that Santa Monica is uniquely nice in many ways. That does not include the NAM dominated far left schools, its former ghetto sections of the city that I assume now are mostly gentrified but were once ganglands and are still half filled with rent controlled NAMs.

    As for charm, last time I was near the beach there the parking lot was 80% taken over by homeless people in old campers and buses, and other parts just looked like a boring outdoor shopping mall with chain retailers.

    I bet crime is down in SM by more than 80% with the combo of general falling rates and gentrification.
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  80. @OFWHAP
    In southern Marin, people who happen to have kids send them to ritzy private schools in San Francisco. For the families farther north, there's a fancy private school in or near Ross. My ex-gf from Belvedere said the public schools were super ghetto.

    False, unless you mean the very southernmost corner of Marin, Sausalito, which shares its K-8 school district with the Marin City housing project. Most of southern Marin is happy with their excellent public schools.

    When she said Belvedere’s schools were “super ghetto” she was pulling your leg. Belvedere is effectively a private island of 2,000 ultra-rich people who share a small-and-excellent K-8 school district with Tiburon, a peninsula of 8,000 very-rich people.

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    I know a guy in Tiburon with two children, and I can confirm this analysis to be true.
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  81. When I want to get out of Contra Costa County we usually go to Sonoma now instead of Marin or Napa. It is not much further north of Marin and it has far fewer tourists than Napa, especially on the weekends and in the summertime. The wine is great and it has some of the best coastline. Healdsburg is a very chichi and it lacks much of the snob appeal that Marin has. The Russian river is just wonderful and Sebastopol to the coast is quite different from the Alexander and Dry Creek Valleys. Ironically, when people want to get out of Marin, they go north too.

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    Awful lotta fine motorcycle roads in them parts.
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  82. @MB
    TD you wouldn't be a poor guilty white liberal as opposed to a rich guilty white liberal, would you?
    Either that or you are an alt right pseudonymous troll playing the hare to the greyhounds.
    (I see you Richard Spencer, hiding behind that monitor.)

    But hey, gotta stick up for the tribe, right? That's one way to advance in our elite meritocracy when you are on the bottom.
    Let me know when you get closer to the top.

    Just don't let the glass ceiling dampen the progressive ardor or flatten your IQ curve. You wouldn't be able to entertain yourself or anybody else over here any more.
    What a pity that would be.

    TD, alas, is just a dumb Afro-American.

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  83. @kaganovitch
    "Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name."

    It's just the Ebonic version of "daiquiri". This is the kind of name that strikes teenage black girls as sophisticated, God help us. It will take a generation to graduate to true sophistication like "Mountain Dew".

    kagan, or Orangejello, pronounced Or Angelo. I once sent a information packet to a guy, first name Antonee, might be missing an apostrophe or a hyphen though.

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  84. @Tiny Duck
    The whole "explanation" reeks of conservative white excuse making for why the elite must live the way they choose to do. There are always environmental issues, low-cost housing really doesn't help the poor, they like living in crowded neighborhoods far away from where they work, etc., etc. Marin is where rich whites have lived for decades talking out of both sides of their mouths espousing their moral superiority about every issue and refusing to sacrifice anything.

    Tiny, you were one word away from a St. Paul conversion. Going to start you on a 12 step program, Now get some rest.

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  85. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Question to any boxers and/or self defense devotees out there:

    Are people trained to use a liver shot in self defense classes? Seems to me to be highly effective: big target, people are going to defend their face more than their ribs.

    Is it harder than I'm thinking? Or without boxing gloves is there a chance of breaking your hand on someone's ribs?

    NJ, an ironworker I knew stumbled and fell hitting his side on a short column. The impact snapped a short rib that punctured his aorta , killing him in a matter of seconds. You could do a lot of damage with a kick to that area, however most of us, lets be honest, can’t kick that high.

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  86. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Question to any boxers and/or self defense devotees out there:

    Are people trained to use a liver shot in self defense classes? Seems to me to be highly effective: big target, people are going to defend their face more than their ribs.

    Is it harder than I'm thinking? Or without boxing gloves is there a chance of breaking your hand on someone's ribs?

    NJ, an ironworker I knew stumbled and fell hitting his side on a short column. The impact snapped a short rib that punctured his aorta , killing him in a matter of seconds. You could do a lot of damage with a kick to that area, however most of us, lets be honest, can’t kick that high.

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  87. The divide isn’t whether to do something about race, it’s whether one admits what one is doing.

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  88. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Lexis or D’Aunte is not uncommon. My absolute favorite, though (for an unfortunate young lady) was Twatia. (prononced Twa’sha)

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  89. notice says:

    Echoing Whiskey, there is an opportunity for the Trump/Sessions Justice Department to punish some enemies here. Marin County would never vote GOP anyway, so what’s to lose? Resettle refugees, sue for Affordable Housing, etc. Wreck the place, just as many formerly decent working class areas have been ruined by Section 8.Be loud about it too. Call them racist in tweets.

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  90. @doc of the bay
    False, unless you mean the very southernmost corner of Marin, Sausalito, which shares its K-8 school district with the Marin City housing project. Most of southern Marin is happy with their excellent public schools.

    When she said Belvedere's schools were "super ghetto" she was pulling your leg. Belvedere is effectively a private island of 2,000 ultra-rich people who share a small-and-excellent K-8 school district with Tiburon, a peninsula of 8,000 very-rich people.

    I know a guy in Tiburon with two children, and I can confirm this analysis to be true.

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  91. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Marty
    I was at the Northgate shopping center a few years ago. Standing nearby was a group of somewhat dangerous looking white teens, who seemed to be an audience for a slightly older black guy. Finally the black guy bid adieu, with the admonition "stay black." To which one of the whites answered, "always."

    That’s pretty funny . I got a flat tire driving through the hood a couple of years back and I was on the side of the road putting on the donut when a black guy about 15 years older than me stopped his car and asked if I needed help .I told him no thanks but he stopped the car anyway and kept me company and chit chatted until I was finished . When he left he said ” I hope you don’t take this the wrong way , but “Stay Black “. I just laughed uncontrollably , I couldn’t help it and he was laughing too all the way back to his car ……………………………….

    Another funny thing he told me during our conversation was that he was born and raised into a nation of islam family and convered to christianity in college .

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    When my car was broken down on the street in Chicago, black guys walking by routinely would stop and help out, sometimes successfully.
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  92. @anon
    That's pretty funny . I got a flat tire driving through the hood a couple of years back and I was on the side of the road putting on the donut when a black guy about 15 years older than me stopped his car and asked if I needed help .I told him no thanks but he stopped the car anyway and kept me company and chit chatted until I was finished . When he left he said " I hope you don't take this the wrong way , but "Stay Black ". I just laughed uncontrollably , I couldn't help it and he was laughing too all the way back to his car .....................................

    Another funny thing he told me during our conversation was that he was born and raised into a nation of islam family and convered to christianity in college .

    When my car was broken down on the street in Chicago, black guys walking by routinely would stop and help out, sometimes successfully.

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    I got a flat in my spare about six months ago and wobbled into the nearest tire place. One black guy working there, seemed to be the owner. Charged me $25 total (labor included) for a used tire installed to replace my spare. That tire's still going strong.
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  93. JerseyGuy says:

    Fair point. The Texas Model is probably ideal in a low immigration environment. The Midwest probably has a pretty ideal environment in that it does have zoning that preserves open spaces to an extent but it still affordable. No coincidence that it is a low immigration environment.

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  94. Lurker says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    If I remember correctly, Sean Penn moved his family out to Marin County after his wife was carjacked in Santa Monica in 1996. Sean Penn's wife, Robin Wright, was parking her Toyota Land Cruiser at night when she was accosted by two thugs, one or both of them had a gun.

    An 18 year old thug named Dackery Williams was arrested along with a 16 year old thug. I do remember the name of Marin County being used as the place Sean Penn took his family after the carjacking attack on Robin Wright.

    It appears that Los Angeles cops retire in Idaho. Is it the case that some Hollywood types retreat to Marin County after they are involved in unpleasant multicultural attacks?

    Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-05-30/news/9605310297_1_carjacking-police-arrest-forrest-gump

    Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name.

    Named after a cocktail – it doesn’t get classier than that surely?

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  95. Dancquill says:
    @Dr. X
    Marin County is only 2.8% black, according to the Census.

    Does anyone really think that all the rich, white, Prius-driving Bernie and Hillary voters are going to build "low income" housing so that Jamal from Oakland and Devontay from Compton can move there?

    Diversity for thee, not for me...

    Bingo.. God these liberal leftists make me sick to my stomach. San Francisco is also driving blacks out of the city by gentrification that they would never allow in the hinterlands anywhere outside its own boundaries. Petaluma also has practiced this kind of descrimination for decades. “Special” folk these. Special in ways they don’t want everybody to know about.

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  96. @Steve Sailer
    When my car was broken down on the street in Chicago, black guys walking by routinely would stop and help out, sometimes successfully.

    I got a flat in my spare about six months ago and wobbled into the nearest tire place. One black guy working there, seemed to be the owner. Charged me $25 total (labor included) for a used tire installed to replace my spare. That tire’s still going strong.

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  97. Olorin says:
    @Dr. X
    Marin County is only 2.8% black, according to the Census.

    Does anyone really think that all the rich, white, Prius-driving Bernie and Hillary voters are going to build "low income" housing so that Jamal from Oakland and Devontay from Compton can move there?

    Diversity for thee, not for me...

    Bearing in mind of course that one of Marin’s better known residents is Michael Anthony Weiner, aka “Savage,” widely considered to be very “conservative.”

    I don’t disagree that the majority are as you say, however.

    A good number of them are trust fund babies who manage their families’ giant or smaller “philanthropic” foundations down in the city as required via periodic stayovers at tidy condos or houses in Pacific Heights/South Beach/Russian Hill/Sea Cliff…then skittle back to their high country estancia(s) for the rest of the time.

    When, of course, they’re not off at their South American or elsewhere doomsteads.

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  98. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dr. X

    I thought Compton and Oakland were more Julio than Devontay these days.

     

    According the Census, that's true of Compton, but not Oakland:

    Compton: 33% Black, 65% Hispanic

    Oakland: 34% Black, 25.4% Hispanic

    Of course, those are 2010 numbers, which are getting a bit dated in 2017... so YMMV.

    According the Census, that’s true of Compton, but not Oakland:

    Compton: 33% Black, 65% Hispanic

    Oakland: 34% Black, 25.4% Hispanic

    Of course, those are 2010 numbers, which are getting a bit dated in 2017… so YMMV.

    I was just gonna say, Compton is primarily hispanic, with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else. Oakland has strong pockets of black jackasses, but it’s changing as the blacks are incarcerated, HUD rental opportunities dwindle thanks to landlords who learned their lesson, and whites who need a home somewhere vaguely in the vicinity of San Francisco.
    It’ll shift to white and hispanic pretty soon, peppered with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else.

    Say what you like about hispanic illegal immigrants, but they’ve helped expedite the essential ethnic cleansing of blacks out of traditionally black stronghold areas in a fraction of the time it would take via traditional gentrification. For that, we owe them a nod.

    The results illegal immigrants have achieved in extricating blacks from Compton is remarkable. By the time “Straight Outta Compton” was released, it was comically irrelevant.

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    On a related note, someone in Oakland is putting up a fight against gentification by torching half-built housing developments. Four in the last year, and yesterday's looks to fit the pattern:

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-construction-fire-just-the-latest-11272591.php
    , @Autochthon
    It's great, ain't it!? Beat of all, of course, is thag the displaced Negroes just magicallly disappear into thin air; they don't simply relocate elsewhere – often abetted by the federal government – to destroy previously decent communities. And the illegal aliens bring now problems of their own by exacerbating overpopulation, such as dramatic decreaeses in pay, increases in the costs of housing, traffic, pollution, etc.

    Yessir: say what you like about terminal cancer; it really helps expedite the essential allevation of pain from an ingrown toenail.
    , @James Richard
    The latest demographic estimates put the 2017 black population of Oakland at less than 28%.
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  99. Olorin says:
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    When I want to get out of Contra Costa County we usually go to Sonoma now instead of Marin or Napa. It is not much further north of Marin and it has far fewer tourists than Napa, especially on the weekends and in the summertime. The wine is great and it has some of the best coastline. Healdsburg is a very chichi and it lacks much of the snob appeal that Marin has. The Russian river is just wonderful and Sebastopol to the coast is quite different from the Alexander and Dry Creek Valleys. Ironically, when people want to get out of Marin, they go north too.

    Awful lotta fine motorcycle roads in them parts.

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    Sadly, a colleague of mine died three weeks ago right in that area while riding his motorcycle. A frick'n deer jumped in front of him. Many television commercials that are filmed up in that area, particularly car commercials. The scenery is beautiful and it is close enough to an urban area with the resources to do that level of production. Being from Nor Cal, I can usually recognize the area right away.
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  100. @Old Palo Altan
    Santa Monica is nobody's "suburb". It is a fine city with a glorious beach, a splendid housing stock and the best weather for fifty miles up or down the coast.
    Marina del Rey is a boring place to tie up one's boat, Manhattan Beach is featureless, but I'll give you Rancho Palos Verdes.
    As for Malibu - don't get me started.
    It's funny though to read that Sean Penn "moved his family out to Marin County", as though he were relocating to the next town. It's five hundred miles away, for heaven's sake; if California weren't so big, it would be in another state. I'll agree however that it is just the sort of rootless place that a Hollywood actor would feel comfortable living in.

    Marina del Rey is a boring place to tie up one’s boat, Manhattan Beach is featureless, but I’ll give you Rancho Palos Verdes.

    You need to take Rancho Palos Verdes back. Go to Point Fermin park, and especially the outdoor basketball courts next to the Korean Bell of Friendship. It’s chock full of poor hispanics hauling their piles of kids around, lightly peppered with hood ratty black kids. Hispanics love anything that doesn’t cost anything that they can take their kids, and the Point Fermin area fits the bill. It’s heavily weighted towards the poor ethnic around there, at least in the common park areas. They can’t afford to live there. But they’re there in significant numbers.

    Back in the seventies, it was a paradise. Now it’s a little sketchy.

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    An amusing and informative corrective. OK then, I'll take it back.
    When I was last on the Monterey Peninsula I noticed the precise phenomenon you highlight here.
    My sister was living at the time just half a block from the public park on the bay in Pacific Grove. Now PG is normally a complete delight: delightful houses, glorious views northwards over Monterey Bay, a fine pier with fresh fish available every day; best of all, it is 85% white. But on a Sunday afternoon we decided to walk over to the park for some quiet conversation. The place was overrun with Mexicans, of the short, squat, Indian variety. They swaggered around with their many children; a good number flaunted the Mexican flag. My sister, a hopeless Obama-loving political idiot, cooed that they come in from Salinas and its hinterlands every weekend to enjoy the cool sea breezes. It looked like an invasion to me.
    So, as in Palos Verdes, they are not there all the time, but they sure do ruin the ambience when they are.
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  101. @Achmed E. Newman
    There was also Alcatraz, a scenic isolated community that had never implemented the odious red-lining and other discriminating practices seen in other more racist parts of the gay bay area. Alas, it has succumbed to gentrification, not to mention rocket fire on the guard tower by that law-and-order nut, Mr. Callahan and his LAWS missiles.

    Funny stuff, Odds, I just had to pile on.

    No, I couldn't find the video. ;-{

    Well, Nicholas Cage did try to save it from the F-18′s, but tragically . . .

    (How long will white males be allowed to say “abort, abort” in the presence of a crying young female?) (The U.S. Navy is going to need a new term!)

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  102. Yngvar says:

    Eminent domain. Trump loves it. Marin County National Illegal Immigrant Reservation, here it comes!

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  103. @Olorin
    Awful lotta fine motorcycle roads in them parts.

    Sadly, a colleague of mine died three weeks ago right in that area while riding his motorcycle. A frick’n deer jumped in front of him. Many television commercials that are filmed up in that area, particularly car commercials. The scenery is beautiful and it is close enough to an urban area with the resources to do that level of production. Being from Nor Cal, I can usually recognize the area right away.

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  104. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Does anyone really think that all the rich, white, Prius-driving Bernie and Hillary voters are going to build “low income” housing so that Jamal from Oakland…

    and

    “…Oakland has strong pockets of black jackasses, but it’s changing as the blacks are incarcerated, HUD rental opportunities dwindle thanks to landlords who learned their lesson, and whites who need a home somewhere vaguely in the vicinity of San Francisco.”

    In gentrification, cost-of-living, and affordable-housing news, Oakland may not be going down without a fight:

    “Fire at construction site deepens housing crisis in Oakland”, Kristin J. Bender, Associated Press, Jul 7, 2017:

    …Flames and smoke that could be seen for miles destroyed an under-construction Oakland apartment building…

    …seven-story building, which had been due to house 196 families at market rates when it was completed…

    …The Bay Area has some of the highest housing costs in the nation, contributing to a 39 percent rise in homelessness in the past two years in Alameda County, which includes Oakland, officials said. Nearly half of those newly homeless are African-American.”

    “4 fires, 4 arsons at half-done housing sites in Oakland”, Michael Bodley, San Francisco Chronicle, July 7, 2017:

    “The fire that consumed an apartment and retail complex being built near downtown Oakland on Friday wasn’t the first to rip through a half-finished housing development in the area in recent years. It was the fifth.

    …all four of the previous fires… have been ruled arson by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive…

    …That has prompted concern among city leaders coping with a housing shortage…”

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  105. @anonymous

    According the Census, that’s true of Compton, but not Oakland:

    Compton: 33% Black, 65% Hispanic

    Oakland: 34% Black, 25.4% Hispanic

    Of course, those are 2010 numbers, which are getting a bit dated in 2017… so YMMV.
     

    I was just gonna say, Compton is primarily hispanic, with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else. Oakland has strong pockets of black jackasses, but it's changing as the blacks are incarcerated, HUD rental opportunities dwindle thanks to landlords who learned their lesson, and whites who need a home somewhere vaguely in the vicinity of San Francisco.
    It'll shift to white and hispanic pretty soon, peppered with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else.

    Say what you like about hispanic illegal immigrants, but they've helped expedite the essential ethnic cleansing of blacks out of traditionally black stronghold areas in a fraction of the time it would take via traditional gentrification. For that, we owe them a nod.

    The results illegal immigrants have achieved in extricating blacks from Compton is remarkable. By the time "Straight Outta Compton" was released, it was comically irrelevant.

    On a related note, someone in Oakland is putting up a fight against gentification by torching half-built housing developments. Four in the last year, and yesterday’s looks to fit the pattern:

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-construction-fire-just-the-latest-11272591.php

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  106. @Autochthon
    Somewhat relatedly:

    I recently, by happenstance, came across the shocking fact that crime in Colchester, vermont, increased some thirty-six per cent in 2008, which arched an eyebrow with me, so I couldn't help but investigate a bit. We need to get Robert Lair and his wife Adrie Kusserow appointments at the College of Marin.

    The financial crisis may have been a contributing factor.

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  107. Ivy says:
    @Marin County Hottubber
    Steve, Steve, Steve... don't let the cat out of the bag! We enjoy a pretty good life out here. At least, if you're not in one of the Special Racial Zones that are segregated from the rest of us.

    I would recommend for your edification to look into the county's school district zoning. As another commenter previously mentioned, Marin has remained pristine save for a few rundown apartments in the Canal, a mestizo area, or Marin City, a black area. The children of these people overwhelmingly attend school in San Rafael, a still good overall but relatively bad 7/10 compared to, say, my alma mater, a 10/10. You will find the line of demarcation between great and okay conveniently excludes these students while allowing wealthy Ross, Kentfield, San Anselmo, and Fairfax to keep to themselves. As schools are supported by property taxes (on million-dollar properties) and the generosity of the local community to its own (we have a large yearly fundraiser for the good district), it should be clear why Marin does not wish to follow the footsteps of other, more vibrant locales.

    In sum, I love it here. Too bad I can't afford to buy a home, though.

    A friend grew up in San Rafael and his parents sent him to St. Ignatius in San Francisco. That fine education helped him go to Dartmouth and eventually to the Presidency of a worldwide company. He didn’t miss much at San Rafael, and would’ve done well anywhere as he is scary smart, but his parents valued a better educational environment. That pattern is repeated in districts and households where such selectivity is available and desirable.

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  108. Dee says:

    The Sausalito school district spends $14,000+ a year per student; one of the highest in all of Cali. But it’s almost all NAM’s so they get the same grades and SAT scores like Oakland or Richmond. Spending half as much as Sausalito.

    The North Bay is probably one of the best motorcycle areas in the world. When I rode, I could put together a 400 mile loop and not have a straight bit of road that was more than a mile long; all the roads follow creeks and streams so like the water, it’s always turning.

    But those are dangerous roads, besides deer, you got bicyclists, horsie riders, sheep, goats, cattle on the road. I hit two pheasants on one ride!

    Used to go on the Sunday Morning Ride, I’d be at 90+ on Highway 1 and the fast guys would go by doing 25 mph faster. Once the cops got serious about enforcement, most of that disappeared.

    Last time 10 years ago, they had a police van with a radar gun and video camera documenting everybody going past. Then they stopped everybody and compared the radar to the video and started writing tickets. The van was at Dogtown, just north of Bolinas. I wasn’t a fast guy so I skated…

    The Oakland fires; obviously arson at 4;30am. I predict the insurance companies will require an armed guard whenever they’re not building as a condition of getting coverage. They must of written half a billion in checks just this year for the fires.

    The locals really loath the newcomers in Oakland, they see their next home out in the Central Valley at 109 degrees instead of 79 degree Oakland today….no way can they afford the rents in Oakland in a couple of years. That Ghost fire last year was locals living in a warehouse because that was all they could afford…

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    Geographically speaking, the Olema Valley is very unique. It is basically the San Andreas fault. Olema was the epicenter in the 1906 earthquake. As you keep going north, it turns into Tomales Bay. I have walked to the tip of Tomales point where you have a 270* view of the water. Very cool place if you are into hiking. Point Reyes is another gem up in that area. West Marin is really the nicest part of the county, hands down.
    , @doc of the bay

    The Sausalito school district spends $14,000+ a year per student; one of the highest in all of Cali. But it’s almost all NAM’s so they get the same grades and SAT scores like Oakland or Richmond. Spending half as much as Sausalito.
     
    You're right about the poor performance, it gets the lowest test scores in the county. But the financials are even worse.

    2015-16 general fund revenues per student:
    California average: $11,431
    The school district that encompasses both wealthy Sausalito and poor Marin City: $42,207 = 369% state average

    One of the distortions this causes is that Sausalito is now almost childless.

    Population under age 18:
    California 24.95%
    Marin County 20.69%
    Sausalito 8.71% = 42% county average
    Marin City 23.74% = 115% county average
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  109. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Charles Pewitt
    If I remember correctly, Sean Penn moved his family out to Marin County after his wife was carjacked in Santa Monica in 1996. Sean Penn's wife, Robin Wright, was parking her Toyota Land Cruiser at night when she was accosted by two thugs, one or both of them had a gun.

    An 18 year old thug named Dackery Williams was arrested along with a 16 year old thug. I do remember the name of Marin County being used as the place Sean Penn took his family after the carjacking attack on Robin Wright.

    It appears that Los Angeles cops retire in Idaho. Is it the case that some Hollywood types retreat to Marin County after they are involved in unpleasant multicultural attacks?

    Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-05-30/news/9605310297_1_carjacking-police-arrest-forrest-gump

    Former LA cop Jimmy Dougherty famously retired to Maine.

    Despite several fairly notable achievements in the department (including being the cop that perp walked Patty Hearst in the famous photo) he was most famous for having married a 16 year old to keep her from having to go back to the orphanage. She left him after he came back from the Merchant Marine, changed her name, and married some other guy before dumping him too and marrying another guy. Dougherty outlived those other guys, Joe DiMaggio and Arthur Miller, to become the last man standing in the world’s most exclusive really prestigious men’s club.

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  110. @Dee
    The Sausalito school district spends $14,000+ a year per student; one of the highest in all of Cali. But it's almost all NAM's so they get the same grades and SAT scores like Oakland or Richmond. Spending half as much as Sausalito.

    The North Bay is probably one of the best motorcycle areas in the world. When I rode, I could put together a 400 mile loop and not have a straight bit of road that was more than a mile long; all the roads follow creeks and streams so like the water, it's always turning.

    But those are dangerous roads, besides deer, you got bicyclists, horsie riders, sheep, goats, cattle on the road. I hit two pheasants on one ride!

    Used to go on the Sunday Morning Ride, I'd be at 90+ on Highway 1 and the fast guys would go by doing 25 mph faster. Once the cops got serious about enforcement, most of that disappeared.

    Last time 10 years ago, they had a police van with a radar gun and video camera documenting everybody going past. Then they stopped everybody and compared the radar to the video and started writing tickets. The van was at Dogtown, just north of Bolinas. I wasn't a fast guy so I skated...

    The Oakland fires; obviously arson at 4;30am. I predict the insurance companies will require an armed guard whenever they're not building as a condition of getting coverage. They must of written half a billion in checks just this year for the fires.

    The locals really loath the newcomers in Oakland, they see their next home out in the Central Valley at 109 degrees instead of 79 degree Oakland today....no way can they afford the rents in Oakland in a couple of years. That Ghost fire last year was locals living in a warehouse because that was all they could afford...

    Geographically speaking, the Olema Valley is very unique. It is basically the San Andreas fault. Olema was the epicenter in the 1906 earthquake. As you keep going north, it turns into Tomales Bay. I have walked to the tip of Tomales point where you have a 270* view of the water. Very cool place if you are into hiking. Point Reyes is another gem up in that area. West Marin is really the nicest part of the county, hands down.

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  111. Anon 2 says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    If I remember correctly, Sean Penn moved his family out to Marin County after his wife was carjacked in Santa Monica in 1996. Sean Penn's wife, Robin Wright, was parking her Toyota Land Cruiser at night when she was accosted by two thugs, one or both of them had a gun.

    An 18 year old thug named Dackery Williams was arrested along with a 16 year old thug. I do remember the name of Marin County being used as the place Sean Penn took his family after the carjacking attack on Robin Wright.

    It appears that Los Angeles cops retire in Idaho. Is it the case that some Hollywood types retreat to Marin County after they are involved in unpleasant multicultural attacks?

    Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-05-30/news/9605310297_1_carjacking-police-arrest-forrest-gump

    Many wealthy people from both Northern and
    Southern California like to retire to San Luis
    Obispo, the “happiest city in America,” with no
    McDonalds to blight the city landscape, the requisite
    art cinema or two that play foreign movies, and,
    of course, the wonderful Cal Poly campus where
    they can go and ogle the beautiful white coeds
    sunning themselves by the swimming pool.
    What’s not to like?

    However, Santa Monica (and Pacific Palisades, …)
    still remains a retirement community for the rich,
    esp. of show business provenance, until Silicon
    Beach (look it up!) does to the Westside what Silicon
    Valley did to the Palo Alto, etc area – made it completely
    unaffordable.

    California, an arid, earthquake-prone state, was never
    meant to house almost 40 million people.

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    Santa Monica and the Palisades are already "completely unaffordable". My paternal grandparent's place, "North of Montana", was torn down after we sold it in 1970 or so, and three houses were built on the double lot. Since then two of those have been torn down and replaced, and one, with no grounds at all to speak of, just sold for $4 million. The price for the older houses on the normal large lots common to the area range from 6 to 10 million. A sister of my grandfather lived round the corner, and her place is now estimated by Zillow at 8 million.
    But the Palisades can be even higher: my maternal grandparent's lived, after moving out West in 1937 from Great Neck on Long Island, in a delectable Spanish style place of over 8,000 sf, built in 1928. Zillow estimates it at 11 million; a bargain, except that the lot is rather small.
    Admittedly Palo Alto is marginally higher, for, I would say, less desirable properties. So I suppose Santa Monica could go higher still, but "unaffordable" it already is.
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  112. @J1234

    Bird vs Wind Turbine
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/15/wind-turbines-kill-fewer-birds-than-cell-towers-cats/15683843/

    I wonder how many old liberal women are going to give up their cats?

    I have a cat who killed at least one bird a day in the old neighbourhood. Since the left-wing fascists drove me out with their pitchforks and torches, he is now cooped up in a flat all day to keep him safe from the marauding bands of Mexicans and Arabs who consider torturing cats to be recreation. So you see, Nice White Ladies like the loaded protestor of the turbine need not worry; by harrying people like me, she has saved enough birds to offset any deaths from her own cat or (should she find a suitable place for them nearer to poor Americans) her windmills. Displacing Americans with cats from our homes is, for people like her, kind of like purchasing an indulgence carbon offset to make flying in a private jet okay.

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  113. @anonymous

    According the Census, that’s true of Compton, but not Oakland:

    Compton: 33% Black, 65% Hispanic

    Oakland: 34% Black, 25.4% Hispanic

    Of course, those are 2010 numbers, which are getting a bit dated in 2017… so YMMV.
     

    I was just gonna say, Compton is primarily hispanic, with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else. Oakland has strong pockets of black jackasses, but it's changing as the blacks are incarcerated, HUD rental opportunities dwindle thanks to landlords who learned their lesson, and whites who need a home somewhere vaguely in the vicinity of San Francisco.
    It'll shift to white and hispanic pretty soon, peppered with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else.

    Say what you like about hispanic illegal immigrants, but they've helped expedite the essential ethnic cleansing of blacks out of traditionally black stronghold areas in a fraction of the time it would take via traditional gentrification. For that, we owe them a nod.

    The results illegal immigrants have achieved in extricating blacks from Compton is remarkable. By the time "Straight Outta Compton" was released, it was comically irrelevant.

    It’s great, ain’t it!? Beat of all, of course, is thag the displaced Negroes just magicallly disappear into thin air; they don’t simply relocate elsewhere – often abetted by the federal government – to destroy previously decent communities. And the illegal aliens bring now problems of their own by exacerbating overpopulation, such as dramatic decreaeses in pay, increases in the costs of housing, traffic, pollution, etc.

    Yessir: say what you like about terminal cancer; it really helps expedite the essential allevation of pain from an ingrown toenail.

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  114. Lot says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Santa Monica is nobody's "suburb". It is a fine city with a glorious beach, a splendid housing stock and the best weather for fifty miles up or down the coast.
    Marina del Rey is a boring place to tie up one's boat, Manhattan Beach is featureless, but I'll give you Rancho Palos Verdes.
    As for Malibu - don't get me started.
    It's funny though to read that Sean Penn "moved his family out to Marin County", as though he were relocating to the next town. It's five hundred miles away, for heaven's sake; if California weren't so big, it would be in another state. I'll agree however that it is just the sort of rootless place that a Hollywood actor would feel comfortable living in.

    I agree that Santa Monica is uniquely nice in many ways. That does not include the NAM dominated far left schools, its former ghetto sections of the city that I assume now are mostly gentrified but were once ganglands and are still half filled with rent controlled NAMs.

    As for charm, last time I was near the beach there the parking lot was 80% taken over by homeless people in old campers and buses, and other parts just looked like a boring outdoor shopping mall with chain retailers.

    I bet crime is down in SM by more than 80% with the combo of general falling rates and gentrification.

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    See my answer to anon2. When I say "Santa Monica" I mean "North of Montana" exclusively. Indeed, the places you describe have never entered my ken.
    And Santa Monica High ( I couldn't tell you where that is either) recently produced the great Stephen Miller, so its influence, even if inadvertently, has not been wholly negative.
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  115. MEH 0910 says:

    http://pkdickbooks.com/marin.html

    This page features pictures of the places mentioned in the main-stream novel “Confessions of a Crap Artist”. The novel is set in Marin County, California, north of San Francisco around the town of Point Reyes Station. Most of the places mentioned in the novel exist except for “Drake’s Landing” the place where Fay lives. It seems that Philip K. Dick has made this one up. Some of the names are slightly changed as for example Cheda’s garage (Cheeda) and the Old Western Saloon (Western Bar). Since Point Reyes Station and its surroundings are protected against urban development most of it looks probably the same as it was in the early 60′s when Philip K. Dick lived there.

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  116. MEH 0910 says:

    Philip K. Dick’s Masterpiece Years
    By SCOTT TIMBERG NOV. 22, 2010

    POINT REYES STATION, Calif. — Half a century later, Anne R. Dick still remembers the sunny October day she met a clean-shaven 29-year-old Berkeley exile who had just moved to this rural enclave in west Marin County, thick with eucalyptus trees and brooding owls.

    The science-fiction novelist Philip K. Dick was standing with his hands in the back pockets of his jeans, rocking on his heels, and gazing at the floor of his house. In his flannel shirt and heavy army boots, he looked, she writes in a new book about him, “graceful and attractive — like someone wearing a disguise.”

    She had gone that day in 1958 to introduce herself to Dick, her neighbor, who had moved to west Marin with his second wife, Kleo. Less than a year later, he and his wife split. And Anne Rubenstein, as she was then called, a skinny blond widow, and Dick, a struggling writer, were married. Five years later, they too divorced. In the meantime they had a daughter, and Ms. Dick ran a jewelry business; Dick grew a beard and wrote some of the novels that would eventually get him hailed as a West Coast Calvino or Borges. (The Library of America began issuing his novels in 2007.) Ms. Dick, now 83, would spend the ensuing years seeking the man behind the disguise.

    That inquiry is the subject of “The Search for Philip K. Dick,” a biography dressed like a memoir, which was published this month by the San Francisco press Tachyon.

    The book, while refraining from literary analysis, is invaluable for Dick fans and scholars because it’s told by the one person he was close to at an important turning point in his career. He wrote or developed roughly a dozen novels during his time in west Marin, including “The Man in the High Castle” (1962), his only novel to win the Hugo Award, science fiction’s biggest prize. While there were stretches of Dick’s life in which he had roommates, a series of girlfriends or a tight group of male friends, the Point Reyes years were his most domestic.

    David Gill, who wrote the book’s introduction and runs an obsessive blog, calls this “Dick’s family man period.”

    The writer Jonathan Lethem, who included five novels from this period in the Library of America anthologies he edited of Dick’s essential works, calls it Dick’s most fruitful time.

    “The river of his literary ambitions — his interest in ‘respectable’ literature — joins the river of his guilty, disreputable, explosively imaginative pulp writing,” Mr. Lethem said in a phone interview. “It’s the most important passage of his career — more masterpieces in a shorter period of time.”

    Ms. Dick, who does not suffer fools, recalls Point Reyes Station as a cow town, literally. She remembers the years with Phil, as she calls him, as mostly idyllic. He helped her bring up her three girls from her marriage to Richard Rubenstein, a San Francisco poet who had died suddenly. The couple raised fowl and black-faced sheep. Each morning Dick would walk through a barbed-wire-and-wooden-post fence and across a grassy meadow to a cabin he called the Hovel, where he did much of his writing.

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  117. @anonymous

    According the Census, that’s true of Compton, but not Oakland:

    Compton: 33% Black, 65% Hispanic

    Oakland: 34% Black, 25.4% Hispanic

    Of course, those are 2010 numbers, which are getting a bit dated in 2017… so YMMV.
     

    I was just gonna say, Compton is primarily hispanic, with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else. Oakland has strong pockets of black jackasses, but it's changing as the blacks are incarcerated, HUD rental opportunities dwindle thanks to landlords who learned their lesson, and whites who need a home somewhere vaguely in the vicinity of San Francisco.
    It'll shift to white and hispanic pretty soon, peppered with older blacks who know not to cause too much trouble, or else.

    Say what you like about hispanic illegal immigrants, but they've helped expedite the essential ethnic cleansing of blacks out of traditionally black stronghold areas in a fraction of the time it would take via traditional gentrification. For that, we owe them a nod.

    The results illegal immigrants have achieved in extricating blacks from Compton is remarkable. By the time "Straight Outta Compton" was released, it was comically irrelevant.

    The latest demographic estimates put the 2017 black population of Oakland at less than 28%.

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  118. @anonymoose

    Marina del Rey is a boring place to tie up one’s boat, Manhattan Beach is featureless, but I’ll give you Rancho Palos Verdes.
     
    You need to take Rancho Palos Verdes back. Go to Point Fermin park, and especially the outdoor basketball courts next to the Korean Bell of Friendship. It's chock full of poor hispanics hauling their piles of kids around, lightly peppered with hood ratty black kids. Hispanics love anything that doesn't cost anything that they can take their kids, and the Point Fermin area fits the bill. It's heavily weighted towards the poor ethnic around there, at least in the common park areas. They can't afford to live there. But they're there in significant numbers.

    Back in the seventies, it was a paradise. Now it's a little sketchy.

    An amusing and informative corrective. OK then, I’ll take it back.
    When I was last on the Monterey Peninsula I noticed the precise phenomenon you highlight here.
    My sister was living at the time just half a block from the public park on the bay in Pacific Grove. Now PG is normally a complete delight: delightful houses, glorious views northwards over Monterey Bay, a fine pier with fresh fish available every day; best of all, it is 85% white. But on a Sunday afternoon we decided to walk over to the park for some quiet conversation. The place was overrun with Mexicans, of the short, squat, Indian variety. They swaggered around with their many children; a good number flaunted the Mexican flag. My sister, a hopeless Obama-loving political idiot, cooed that they come in from Salinas and its hinterlands every weekend to enjoy the cool sea breezes. It looked like an invasion to me.
    So, as in Palos Verdes, they are not there all the time, but they sure do ruin the ambience when they are.

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  119. @Anon 2
    Many wealthy people from both Northern and
    Southern California like to retire to San Luis
    Obispo, the "happiest city in America," with no
    McDonalds to blight the city landscape, the requisite
    art cinema or two that play foreign movies, and,
    of course, the wonderful Cal Poly campus where
    they can go and ogle the beautiful white coeds
    sunning themselves by the swimming pool.
    What's not to like?

    However, Santa Monica (and Pacific Palisades, ...)
    still remains a retirement community for the rich,
    esp. of show business provenance, until Silicon
    Beach (look it up!) does to the Westside what Silicon
    Valley did to the Palo Alto, etc area - made it completely
    unaffordable.

    California, an arid, earthquake-prone state, was never
    meant to house almost 40 million people.

    Santa Monica and the Palisades are already “completely unaffordable”. My paternal grandparent’s place, “North of Montana”, was torn down after we sold it in 1970 or so, and three houses were built on the double lot. Since then two of those have been torn down and replaced, and one, with no grounds at all to speak of, just sold for $4 million. The price for the older houses on the normal large lots common to the area range from 6 to 10 million. A sister of my grandfather lived round the corner, and her place is now estimated by Zillow at 8 million.
    But the Palisades can be even higher: my maternal grandparent’s lived, after moving out West in 1937 from Great Neck on Long Island, in a delectable Spanish style place of over 8,000 sf, built in 1928. Zillow estimates it at 11 million; a bargain, except that the lot is rather small.
    Admittedly Palo Alto is marginally higher, for, I would say, less desirable properties. So I suppose Santa Monica could go higher still, but “unaffordable” it already is.

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  120. @Lot
    I agree that Santa Monica is uniquely nice in many ways. That does not include the NAM dominated far left schools, its former ghetto sections of the city that I assume now are mostly gentrified but were once ganglands and are still half filled with rent controlled NAMs.

    As for charm, last time I was near the beach there the parking lot was 80% taken over by homeless people in old campers and buses, and other parts just looked like a boring outdoor shopping mall with chain retailers.

    I bet crime is down in SM by more than 80% with the combo of general falling rates and gentrification.

    See my answer to anon2. When I say “Santa Monica” I mean “North of Montana” exclusively. Indeed, the places you describe have never entered my ken.
    And Santa Monica High ( I couldn’t tell you where that is either) recently produced the great Stephen Miller, so its influence, even if inadvertently, has not been wholly negative.

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  121. @Olorin

    From the viewpoint of our elites, riffraff shouldn’t want nice lives for themselves – I mean, they have miserable lives anyway, why do these ignoramuses care for how miserable? Isn’t it all the same below $50,000 a year?
     
    I heard so many variations of this in foundation circles, it boggles. They actually, really, genuinely do think that.

    Somewhere around 1995--when he was boinking then hiring for several City Hall positions a certain gal whom the Dems have been grooming since the '90s for a 2020s POTUS run--SF Mayor Willie Brown said that nobody who makes less than $50,000 a year belongs in SF.

    That's upwards of $80,000 in Current Year Bux.

    Let's see...that would be a $39.26 an hour minimum wage.

    Segregation for me, not for thee. It would be wasted on you whereas I can appreciate and savor it fully. Now shut up while I make your life more miserable, because it's all for the greater good.

    [Willie Brown] was boinking then hiring for several City Hall positions a certain gal whom the Dems have been grooming since the ’90s for a 2020s POTUS run

    Kamala?

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  122. @Dee
    The Sausalito school district spends $14,000+ a year per student; one of the highest in all of Cali. But it's almost all NAM's so they get the same grades and SAT scores like Oakland or Richmond. Spending half as much as Sausalito.

    The North Bay is probably one of the best motorcycle areas in the world. When I rode, I could put together a 400 mile loop and not have a straight bit of road that was more than a mile long; all the roads follow creeks and streams so like the water, it's always turning.

    But those are dangerous roads, besides deer, you got bicyclists, horsie riders, sheep, goats, cattle on the road. I hit two pheasants on one ride!

    Used to go on the Sunday Morning Ride, I'd be at 90+ on Highway 1 and the fast guys would go by doing 25 mph faster. Once the cops got serious about enforcement, most of that disappeared.

    Last time 10 years ago, they had a police van with a radar gun and video camera documenting everybody going past. Then they stopped everybody and compared the radar to the video and started writing tickets. The van was at Dogtown, just north of Bolinas. I wasn't a fast guy so I skated...

    The Oakland fires; obviously arson at 4;30am. I predict the insurance companies will require an armed guard whenever they're not building as a condition of getting coverage. They must of written half a billion in checks just this year for the fires.

    The locals really loath the newcomers in Oakland, they see their next home out in the Central Valley at 109 degrees instead of 79 degree Oakland today....no way can they afford the rents in Oakland in a couple of years. That Ghost fire last year was locals living in a warehouse because that was all they could afford...

    The Sausalito school district spends $14,000+ a year per student; one of the highest in all of Cali. But it’s almost all NAM’s so they get the same grades and SAT scores like Oakland or Richmond. Spending half as much as Sausalito.

    You’re right about the poor performance, it gets the lowest test scores in the county. But the financials are even worse.

    2015-16 general fund revenues per student:
    California average: $11,431
    The school district that encompasses both wealthy Sausalito and poor Marin City: $42,207 = 369% state average

    One of the distortions this causes is that Sausalito is now almost childless.

    Population under age 18:
    California 24.95%
    Marin County 20.69%
    Sausalito 8.71% = 42% county average
    Marin City 23.74% = 115% county average

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  123. @kaganovitch
    "Dackery sounds highly multicultural as a name."

    It's just the Ebonic version of "daiquiri". This is the kind of name that strikes teenage black girls as sophisticated, God help us. It will take a generation to graduate to true sophistication like "Mountain Dew".

    It’s just the Ebonic version of “daiquiri”. This is the kind of name that strikes teenage black girls as sophisticated

    Then again, plenty of white folks named their daughters after a jewelry store. And many of them named their daughters after nineteenth-century presidents.

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