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From the Washington Post:

“This is what a culture and a society looks like when everybody says whatever the heck they want, when everyone just goes around saying ‘I’m just going to speak my mind,’” Rubio said at a morning press conference in Largo, Fla. “Well, there are other people that are angry, too. And if they speak out and say whatever they want, it all breaks down. It’s called chaos. It’s called anarchy. And that’s what we’re careening towards.”

 
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  1. Wyrd says:

    Join the Democratic party already, Micro Rubioto.

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    I usually tire quickly of word play on people's names, but I've got to say Micro Rubioto is going to stick for awhile with me.
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  2. kihowi says:

    The thing about being a homogeneous society is that everybody will instinctively understand where the line is. The more people around me differ from me the less I can safely say because the window of what will probably offend nobody will be tiny.

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Great observation. The whole microaggression thing is directly related to diversity. It's too hard to keep track of all these groups and what may or may not offend them.
    , @Drapetomaniac
    A homogeneous society instinctively reacting like an ant colony? What a great solution.

    The real problem is that there is a gun for hire called government that can be used against those who don't agree with you. Government is so big and intrusive it's in everyone's shit and the control freak wannabes love using it.
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  3. Rotten says:

    Republican voters, not Donald Trump, got attacked in Chicago.

    Why would Republican voters vote for somebody who excuses violence against Republican voters?

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  4. Randal says:

    How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting “free speech does not include hate speech”?

    That and a few graduates from colleges accustomed to routinely “no platforming” uncomfortable opinions, and Bob’s your uncle – the First Amendment reinterpreted to class “hate speech” with “fighting talk”.

    Five years? Ten?

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Even better, representative democracy doesn't include getting to vote for your preferred candidate:
    https://twitter.com/dashbot/status/708840654034636800
    , @antipater_1
    "How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting “free speech does not include hate speech"?
    Where have you been the last 24 hours Randal? Ted Cruz, little Marco, John Kasich and Fox news have been all over this blaming Donald Trump for "violence."
    , @Harold
    Genetic research will have come a long way in ten years. Things will be different.
    , @Desiderius

    How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting “free speech does not include hate speech”?
     
    Uh, Randal, they've already been doing it for a long time.

    Left, right, and apolitical.
    , @Realist
    That ship has sailed.
    , @boogerbently
    "Hate speech" is just "free speech" that they disagree with.
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  5. iSteveFan says:
    @kihowi
    The thing about being a homogeneous society is that everybody will instinctively understand where the line is. The more people around me differ from me the less I can safely say because the window of what will probably offend nobody will be tiny.

    Great observation. The whole microaggression thing is directly related to diversity. It’s too hard to keep track of all these groups and what may or may not offend them.

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    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
    The whole (micro)aggression thing is about those who believe that their way is the only way or the best way and therefore want to force their beliefs on everyone else versus those who don't agree with them and want to be left alone.

    All libertarians and most anarchists act the same in wanting to bend society to their own beliefs. I say let each and everyone choose what political belief system they want to adhere to and if they choose wrong they alone are responsible. Kinda like investing in the stock market.
    , @Anonymous
    That's a good point. Diversity is not all that cracked up to be. You can't keep up with what offends who. Besides Rubio sides with the thugs. This violent behaviour should be rejected by both sides. This is what culture looks like when there is not diversity of opinion and people have been brainwashed to think another views should not be allowed because it's not my views. Bottom line is nobody is forced to listen to either side.
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  6. Jefferson says:

    The Homosexual British Greek Jew Milo Yiannopoulos is a bigger defender of the 1st Amendment than the Christian Cuban Republican Little Marco.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Demography isn't everything. Besides, he's a halfie.

    There are also some of us who actually do believe in freedom of speech, not just 'freedom of speech for people I agree with'.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Check out Milo on TV sometimes. He plays the gay caballero thing to the hilt and it's hilarious.
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  7. HEL says:

    Well, Marco’s no hypocrite. He’d never dream of saying what he’s thinking . . .

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  8. Clyde says:

    A commenter at Conservative Treehouse linked to this

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  9. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    The more people around me differ from me the less I can safely say because the window of what will probably offend nobody will be tiny.

    Well, you can always say Nazis are bad people, and racists are bad people, and homophobes are bad people, and intolerant people are bad people …

    That’s enough opinions for anyone, isn’t it?

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  10. Put Rubio down as a supporter of ending free speech. He also seems to be against this whole voting thing.

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  11. epebble says:

    I am surprised he didn’t trot out the “Fire in crowded theater” argument!

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    • Replies: @Chess Fan
    More like "fire in a crowded foam party."
    , @Pilgrim786
    I've never received a satisfactory response from such types when I asked whether one could shout "fire" if there was, in fact, a fire.
    , @Mark2
    The constant repetition of the "white privilege" narrative is more obviously inciteful than anything from the right. Yet they, indeed, trot this garbage argument out without shame.
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  12. kihowi says:

    Well if anybody can speak on the subject of suppression of speech it’s a Cuban. Are there any ex North Korean Republicans who could really make the case in four years? He could also out-poor-father anybody.

    Seriously, if you don’t believe in race, it gets really difficult to explain why refugees from tyrannical regimes insist on recreating them in their new country.

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  13. asdf says:

    “And if they speak out and say whatever they want, it all breaks down. It’s called chaos…”

    Well, probably the most earnest statement from Rubio.

    You almost feel sad for the guy. He’s like Charlie Brown getting the ball ripped from under him by Lucy….

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    He’s like Charlie Brown getting the ball ripped from under him by Lucy….

    He’s like Charlie Brown getting his balls ripped off from him by Lucy….
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  14. SDMatt says:

    This is what a culture and a society looks like when everybody says whatever the heck they want, when everyone just goes around saying ‘I’m just going to speak my mind

    ¿Fidel, is that you?

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  15. TangoMan says:

    What I find utterly dispiriting is how deeply so many on the right have internalized the Left’s values. As Conservatives, what are they conserving? Conservatism seems to be a grab-bag of policies which bind these people together and they’ve just slapped a tag, conservatism, on the grab bag.

    Free Speech, no, can’t have that if it disrupts the road to capital gains tax reductions. Reducing capital gains tax, now that screams conservatism, but free speech, why is that conservative? What thread ties Rubio back to ancient traditions in America? You’d think conserving Free Speech would be a no-brainer, but this isn’t immediately obvious to him, instead he’s driven by something else.

    For all the talk about Trump having no core of convictions, when I see guys like Rubio who robotically spout Republican policy positions, I wonder about the root of his convictions. Trump is easier to understand, love of America past. Rubio seems to have gone hook, line and sinker, into love of America future, full of glorious multiculturalism and glorious government managing us all and glorious military launching revolutions for democracy all over the world. What’s conservative about that?

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    • Replies: @kihowi
    The most important thing to remember is that liberals are the real racists, sexists and homophobes. Transsexuals are natural Republicans.
    , @Clyde
    Correct! on all counts!
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    As a Traditional Catholic, an Aristotelian-Thomist, a monarchist, and a perennialist, I know pretty well what I am trying to conserve. I admit, however, that my side has had a rough few centuries.

    As you mentioned, the "conservatism" of Marxo Rubio is really just a label without meaning or significance. What he actually stands for is the complete liberation of crony-capital to loot and ransack the world. This differs from transnational socialism only in inessentials.

    Back in the heady days of the mid 2000's when the Iraq War as in full swing and George Bush and the Neocons were much hated, it became fashionable among dissenters to criticize Leo Strauss, whose philosophy was believed to animate their whole nation-building mission. The salient point of Strauss' program was that the End of History would see the coming of a universal liberal democracy in which everybody could find expression for their grievances and would hence be "satisfied."

    "Conservatives" like Little Marco only care about America insofar as they see it as a seed crystal of the universal liberal democracy, thus their desire to conflate the historic American nation with other crystalization points like the EU, the UN, and global capitalism. They don't care how many traditions, nations, and peoples have to be destroyed for the advancement of their vision. They truly are apocalyptic, millenarian, chiliastic, and eschatological. If a proper taxonomy of heresy were still in usage, they would be known as a Gnostic cult on par with the Albigensians.

    There is a vast fog of confusion which beclouds the vision of Establishment Cuckservatism. What many fail to realize, however, is that the source of this confusion predates, and finds expression in, the US Constitution itself; therefore adverting to "constitutionalism" a la Ted Cruz is not going to help anything. The Constitution is a Gnostic document.

    The wonderful thing about Donald Trump is that he is pioneering a new era of extra-constitutional rule, but that he is doing so within the established political traditions of the country. This is "conservatism" in a much deeper and more ancient sense than any GOP ideologue can appreciate. It is the conservatism of Julius Caesar, who in his own way harkened back to the heroes of the Mycenaean Age.
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  16. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I liked him better when he said nothing at all.

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  17. kihowi says:
    @TangoMan
    What I find utterly dispiriting is how deeply so many on the right have internalized the Left's values. As Conservatives, what are they conserving? Conservatism seems to be a grab-bag of policies which bind these people together and they've just slapped a tag, conservatism, on the grab bag.

    Free Speech, no, can't have that if it disrupts the road to capital gains tax reductions. Reducing capital gains tax, now that screams conservatism, but free speech, why is that conservative? What thread ties Rubio back to ancient traditions in America? You'd think conserving Free Speech would be a no-brainer, but this isn't immediately obvious to him, instead he's driven by something else.

    For all the talk about Trump having no core of convictions, when I see guys like Rubio who robotically spout Republican policy positions, I wonder about the root of his convictions. Trump is easier to understand, love of America past. Rubio seems to have gone hook, line and sinker, into love of America future, full of glorious multiculturalism and glorious government managing us all and glorious military launching revolutions for democracy all over the world. What's conservative about that?

    The most important thing to remember is that liberals are the real racists, sexists and homophobes. Transsexuals are natural Republicans.

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  18. Rubio’s statement was presaged in the last debate when he said he understands that people might like Trump because he says what they would like to say but can’t. I wondered why no one explored why people can’t say certain things and whether Rubio thinks they should be able to.

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  19. iSteveFan says:

    How many times have we heard movement conservatives say something like this, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?” So much for that bluster from those who claim to worship the Constitution. For now it appears Rubio, Kasich, Cruz and the rest of the GOP establishment are not only not going to defend us to the death, but are going to assign the blame to us instead. For anyone still supporting Rubio, Kasich or Cruz this should be eye opening.

    If they collapse like a house of cards on a clear-cut 1st amendment issue like this, how sanguine are you that they will protect your interests when it comes to immigration, trade and a host of other issues? In this case they don’t even have to approve of Trump or his supporters because the 1st amendment is pretty clear. Yet they still found a way to back down. Just wait until they go to bat for you on an issue that is more nuanced and even less clear-cut.

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    • Replies: @Lugash
    Imagine yourself in a George Zimmerman situation. Marco and the rest would sell you out in a Neuvo Yorko minuto.

    If the GOP loses the election, with or without Trump on the ticket, we're going to be subject to an endless stream of "Republicans coulda been contendahs for the hispanic vote, but Trump ruined it!"

    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    Trump's opponents have no allegiance to the first amendment. Rubio spilled the beans: they want the unwashed masses to shut up. (Sanders's free-speech credentials have also evaporated.)

    But don't count on Trump to defend the 1st amendment. He would destroy it by defamation law rather than criminal law, but he would destroy it just the same.

    Never trust a rich vexatious litigant!
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  20. Clyde says:
    @TangoMan
    What I find utterly dispiriting is how deeply so many on the right have internalized the Left's values. As Conservatives, what are they conserving? Conservatism seems to be a grab-bag of policies which bind these people together and they've just slapped a tag, conservatism, on the grab bag.

    Free Speech, no, can't have that if it disrupts the road to capital gains tax reductions. Reducing capital gains tax, now that screams conservatism, but free speech, why is that conservative? What thread ties Rubio back to ancient traditions in America? You'd think conserving Free Speech would be a no-brainer, but this isn't immediately obvious to him, instead he's driven by something else.

    For all the talk about Trump having no core of convictions, when I see guys like Rubio who robotically spout Republican policy positions, I wonder about the root of his convictions. Trump is easier to understand, love of America past. Rubio seems to have gone hook, line and sinker, into love of America future, full of glorious multiculturalism and glorious government managing us all and glorious military launching revolutions for democracy all over the world. What's conservative about that?

    Correct! on all counts!

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  21. I don’t think he’s denouncing Freedom of Speech.
    He said that we should exercise discretion as a social norm (as “a culture and society”), not that the government should regulate people’s speech. Now, beyond government regulation, this blog makes compelling points about the pitfalls of overly stringent informal regulation of speech, too. The social costs of Noticing. But Rubio doesn’t fall in the red zone on that count either.
    He’s saying that both Trump and the Chicago protesters are intemperate, which is a bad outcome that Trump helped bring about. He’s not saying “It would be a shame if the protesters did some damage, wink, wink.”

    To conflate the exercise of discretion with the abridgment of the Freedom of Speech is just to sanctify boorishness…or something. There’s a catchy pretentious motto in there somewhere….

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    • Replies: @Pilgrim786
    I'm sure that tolerance of boorishness is one of the main reasons for a formal -SUPER formal- protection code.

    One doesn't sanctify boorishness by tolerating it.

    E.g. One doesn't have to sanctify or even approve of prostitution in order to legalize it. Every castle needs a sewer and so every city needs a brothel.

    The whole point of the 1sr, to me, is precisely that of protecting rough and even loutish speech, as opposed to the merely obscene, the defamatory, and that which is outright incitement to violence.
    , @Brutusale
    So you're conflating the statement that there are some, by word and deed, proven to be inimical to the American Experiment and we have to be on guard for bad actors with the statement the I don't like what you're saying so I'll adopt violent means to keep you from saying it?

    Um, OK.
    , @MarkinLA
    For at least two decade we tried the "don't say anything bad about immigrants" and maybe we will limit immigration like you want schtick. Guess what, it didn't work. All that did was reinforce the meme that "everybody wants more immigrants".
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  22. Lugash says:
    @iSteveFan
    How many times have we heard movement conservatives say something like this, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?" So much for that bluster from those who claim to worship the Constitution. For now it appears Rubio, Kasich, Cruz and the rest of the GOP establishment are not only not going to defend us to the death, but are going to assign the blame to us instead. For anyone still supporting Rubio, Kasich or Cruz this should be eye opening.

    If they collapse like a house of cards on a clear-cut 1st amendment issue like this, how sanguine are you that they will protect your interests when it comes to immigration, trade and a host of other issues? In this case they don't even have to approve of Trump or his supporters because the 1st amendment is pretty clear. Yet they still found a way to back down. Just wait until they go to bat for you on an issue that is more nuanced and even less clear-cut.

    Imagine yourself in a George Zimmerman situation. Marco and the rest would sell you out in a Neuvo Yorko minuto.

    If the GOP loses the election, with or without Trump on the ticket, we’re going to be subject to an endless stream of “Republicans coulda been contendahs for the hispanic vote, but Trump ruined it!”

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Un minuto Nueva York, if anyone cares.

    They're going to say that anyway, as you say. The point is to marshal your forces and push your populist figurehead as far as you can. The GOP solons will have to at least make concessions in a populist direction next time around--no amnesty, no trade deals, etc.
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  23. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Randal
    How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting "free speech does not include hate speech"?

    That and a few graduates from colleges accustomed to routinely "no platforming" uncomfortable opinions, and Bob's your uncle - the First Amendment reinterpreted to class "hate speech" with "fighting talk".

    Five years? Ten?

    Even better, representative democracy doesn’t include getting to vote for your preferred candidate:

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Dashiell Bennett? He's named after a Commie?
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  24. Chess Fan says:
    @epebble
    I am surprised he didn't trot out the "Fire in crowded theater" argument!

    More like “fire in a crowded foam party.”

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  25. A political party that favors the American people over the will of the wealthy elites, special interest groups, and citizens of other countries, doesn’t need to hold secret meetings at Sea island to try to silence the will of the people in support of wealthy elites. Core American voters are not the ‘useful idiots’ that make up the masses of the Democrat Party. They can put 2+2 together, and they remember. If they do come up with a way to remove Trump, the GOP is basically eviscerating itself with its base.

    Of course if I were REALLY paranoid, I might wonder if Trump were being secretly paid to destroy the Right, this close to an election that should otherwise be an easy win for the Right. The Hungarian Sauron, with all of his wealth couldn’t come up with a better way to guarantee a Lefty president getting voted in after the disaster that was Obama.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    You're not the first one to think of this; Trump was friends with the Clintons in elite New York circles for a while. I give the conspiracy theories about a 5-10% chance of being true; probably not true, but not definitely not true.
    , @Twirlip
    Trumps not destroying the right. if anything he's reinvigorating it after it spent the last twenty years locked in the GOP's attic. Don't confuse the right with the Republican party, the GOP hates the right every bit as much as the left does.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I've wondered about this a lot too, but there's a NYT article about Trump elbowing his way into the Republican party. If it's all true and also he's a Clinton plant, then they've been a long time in planning an elaborate deception...

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html
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  26. @TangoMan
    What I find utterly dispiriting is how deeply so many on the right have internalized the Left's values. As Conservatives, what are they conserving? Conservatism seems to be a grab-bag of policies which bind these people together and they've just slapped a tag, conservatism, on the grab bag.

    Free Speech, no, can't have that if it disrupts the road to capital gains tax reductions. Reducing capital gains tax, now that screams conservatism, but free speech, why is that conservative? What thread ties Rubio back to ancient traditions in America? You'd think conserving Free Speech would be a no-brainer, but this isn't immediately obvious to him, instead he's driven by something else.

    For all the talk about Trump having no core of convictions, when I see guys like Rubio who robotically spout Republican policy positions, I wonder about the root of his convictions. Trump is easier to understand, love of America past. Rubio seems to have gone hook, line and sinker, into love of America future, full of glorious multiculturalism and glorious government managing us all and glorious military launching revolutions for democracy all over the world. What's conservative about that?

    As a Traditional Catholic, an Aristotelian-Thomist, a monarchist, and a perennialist, I know pretty well what I am trying to conserve. I admit, however, that my side has had a rough few centuries.

    As you mentioned, the “conservatism” of Marxo Rubio is really just a label without meaning or significance. What he actually stands for is the complete liberation of crony-capital to loot and ransack the world. This differs from transnational socialism only in inessentials.

    Back in the heady days of the mid 2000′s when the Iraq War as in full swing and George Bush and the Neocons were much hated, it became fashionable among dissenters to criticize Leo Strauss, whose philosophy was believed to animate their whole nation-building mission. The salient point of Strauss’ program was that the End of History would see the coming of a universal liberal democracy in which everybody could find expression for their grievances and would hence be “satisfied.”

    “Conservatives” like Little Marco only care about America insofar as they see it as a seed crystal of the universal liberal democracy, thus their desire to conflate the historic American nation with other crystalization points like the EU, the UN, and global capitalism. They don’t care how many traditions, nations, and peoples have to be destroyed for the advancement of their vision. They truly are apocalyptic, millenarian, chiliastic, and eschatological. If a proper taxonomy of heresy were still in usage, they would be known as a Gnostic cult on par with the Albigensians.

    There is a vast fog of confusion which beclouds the vision of Establishment Cuckservatism. What many fail to realize, however, is that the source of this confusion predates, and finds expression in, the US Constitution itself; therefore adverting to “constitutionalism” a la Ted Cruz is not going to help anything. The Constitution is a Gnostic document.

    The wonderful thing about Donald Trump is that he is pioneering a new era of extra-constitutional rule, but that he is doing so within the established political traditions of the country. This is “conservatism” in a much deeper and more ancient sense than any GOP ideologue can appreciate. It is the conservatism of Julius Caesar, who in his own way harkened back to the heroes of the Mycenaean Age.

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    "As a Traditional Catholic, an Aristotelian-Thomist, a monarchist, and a perennialist, .........."

    That's quite a list. A perennialist? Is that someone whose philosophy centers around begonias?
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  27. SFG says:
    @Jefferson
    The Homosexual British Greek Jew Milo Yiannopoulos is a bigger defender of the 1st Amendment than the Christian Cuban Republican Little Marco.

    Demography isn’t everything. Besides, he’s a halfie.

    There are also some of us who actually do believe in freedom of speech, not just ‘freedom of speech for people I agree with’.

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  28. SFG says:
    @Grandpa Jack
    A political party that favors the American people over the will of the wealthy elites, special interest groups, and citizens of other countries, doesn't need to hold secret meetings at Sea island to try to silence the will of the people in support of wealthy elites. Core American voters are not the 'useful idiots' that make up the masses of the Democrat Party. They can put 2+2 together, and they remember. If they do come up with a way to remove Trump, the GOP is basically eviscerating itself with its base.

    Of course if I were REALLY paranoid, I might wonder if Trump were being secretly paid to destroy the Right, this close to an election that should otherwise be an easy win for the Right. The Hungarian Sauron, with all of his wealth couldn't come up with a better way to guarantee a Lefty president getting voted in after the disaster that was Obama.

    You’re not the first one to think of this; Trump was friends with the Clintons in elite New York circles for a while. I give the conspiracy theories about a 5-10% chance of being true; probably not true, but not definitely not true.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Some people speculated that Ross Perot's campaign in 1992 might have been a put-up job too. I personally don't credit it, but the idea had some currency.
    , @rod1963
    I sort of thought that in the beginning, but realized it didn't make sense. Hillary had the election in the bag prior to Trump.

    Why? All the GOP candidates were grotesque and unappealing characters. Doltish Jeb who was going to be the anointed one had a platform that guaranteed a victory to Hillary. Cruz has no appeal outside Evangelicals and Mormons meant he was no more than a new version of Huckabee. The others were even worse. All globalists in terms of trade and immigration and generally Neo-Cons on foreign policy.

    They made Hillary look good. It was going to be a repeat of 2008 and 2012 where the GOP ran the most unappealing oligarchic puppet they could find and caused a good portion of the whites to sit it out.
    , @Steve Sailer
    I'd hardly be surprised if Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They had a phone conversation about a month before Trump announced his candidacy. Bill Clinton probably likes Trump on a golf buddy level more than he likes Jeb or Rubio or Walker or whomever, so why wouldn't he go along with Trump's usual egotism and tell him he's better than the other Republicans.
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  29. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Meanwhile at the Trump rally….

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    How about meanwhile at the Trump rally, leftist loons try to prevent American citizens from exercising their 1st Amendment rights. Isn't that the bigger story?
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Not bad advice. Auschwitz gives tours. That'd put things into proper perspective.
    , @Steve Austen
    Chicago woman and Yankees fan making the same gesture!

    How would Mr Rosenberg deal with those damn Yankees fans?
    , @ben tillman

    Yair Rosenberg: Trump supporter at rally yells "Go to Auschwitz. Go to fucking Auschwitz." It's my Twitter mentions in real life.
     
    I.e., Trunp supporters are collectively guilty for this man's action.
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  30. @kihowi
    The thing about being a homogeneous society is that everybody will instinctively understand where the line is. The more people around me differ from me the less I can safely say because the window of what will probably offend nobody will be tiny.

    A homogeneous society instinctively reacting like an ant colony? What a great solution.

    The real problem is that there is a gun for hire called government that can be used against those who don’t agree with you. Government is so big and intrusive it’s in everyone’s shit and the control freak wannabes love using it.

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  31. SFG says:
    @Lugash
    Imagine yourself in a George Zimmerman situation. Marco and the rest would sell you out in a Neuvo Yorko minuto.

    If the GOP loses the election, with or without Trump on the ticket, we're going to be subject to an endless stream of "Republicans coulda been contendahs for the hispanic vote, but Trump ruined it!"

    Un minuto Nueva York, if anyone cares.

    They’re going to say that anyway, as you say. The point is to marshal your forces and push your populist figurehead as far as you can. The GOP solons will have to at least make concessions in a populist direction next time around–no amnesty, no trade deals, etc.

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  32. The recent events at the Trump rallies, although probably an overreaction to a bit of heckling are a reminder that Democracy is a pretty fragile thing, and the US, although the most heavily policed nation in the world other than ISIS territory, is not immune to breakdowns of public order at elections in a country where millions have guns.

    Perhaps we should have curated elections on TV only, with commercial breaks for candidate advertising, and only allow those candidates approved by the Supreme Court to participate. It would also reduce divisiveness if we only allow one party, since there is not much to choose between the two we have anyway and it is impossible to found a new party because only the existing parties are allowed to make the rules for elections, a single party nation makes more sense.

    The new party could be called the Partido Unido.

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    The recent events at the Trump rallies, although probably an overreaction to a bit of heckling are a reminder that Democracy is a pretty fragile thing
     
    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    – John Adams


    I suppose the video of Bernie being treated respectfully at Liberty University somewhat supports this assertion from one of our Founders.
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  33. @Randal
    How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting "free speech does not include hate speech"?

    That and a few graduates from colleges accustomed to routinely "no platforming" uncomfortable opinions, and Bob's your uncle - the First Amendment reinterpreted to class "hate speech" with "fighting talk".

    Five years? Ten?

    “How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting “free speech does not include hate speech”?
    Where have you been the last 24 hours Randal? Ted Cruz, little Marco, John Kasich and Fox news have been all over this blaming Donald Trump for “violence.”

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    Where have you been the last 24 hours Randal? Ted Cruz, little Marco, John Kasich and Fox news have been all over this blaming Donald Trump for “violence.”
     
    Fox News was on in my hotel's breakfast room, and the program was going the other way. denouncing the attack on Trump's freedom of speak and his supporters' freedom to assemble.
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  34. iSteveFan says:
    @Anonymous
    Meanwhile at the Trump rally....

    https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/708826116803469312

    How about meanwhile at the Trump rally, leftist loons try to prevent American citizens from exercising their 1st Amendment rights. Isn’t that the bigger story?

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    Yes, that's why it's a big news story. This guy's tweet isn't.
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  35. iSteveFan says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    The recent events at the Trump rallies, although probably an overreaction to a bit of heckling are a reminder that Democracy is a pretty fragile thing, and the US, although the most heavily policed nation in the world other than ISIS territory, is not immune to breakdowns of public order at elections in a country where millions have guns.

    Perhaps we should have curated elections on TV only, with commercial breaks for candidate advertising, and only allow those candidates approved by the Supreme Court to participate. It would also reduce divisiveness if we only allow one party, since there is not much to choose between the two we have anyway and it is impossible to found a new party because only the existing parties are allowed to make the rules for elections, a single party nation makes more sense.

    The new party could be called the Partido Unido.

    The recent events at the Trump rallies, although probably an overreaction to a bit of heckling are a reminder that Democracy is a pretty fragile thing

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    – John Adams

    I suppose the video of Bernie being treated respectfully at Liberty University somewhat supports this assertion from one of our Founders.

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  36. @iSteveFan
    Great observation. The whole microaggression thing is directly related to diversity. It's too hard to keep track of all these groups and what may or may not offend them.

    The whole (micro)aggression thing is about those who believe that their way is the only way or the best way and therefore want to force their beliefs on everyone else versus those who don’t agree with them and want to be left alone.

    All libertarians and most anarchists act the same in wanting to bend society to their own beliefs. I say let each and everyone choose what political belief system they want to adhere to and if they choose wrong they alone are responsible. Kinda like investing in the stock market.

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    The whole (micro)aggression thing is about those who believe that their way is the only way or the best way and therefore want to force their beliefs on everyone else versus those who don’t agree with them and want to be left alone.
     
    When one sees monotheism contrasted with henotheism, as In Cuddihy's No Offense: Civil Religion and Protestant Taste, one realizes that monotheism in practice isn't a belief that there is only one god; it's a belief that there may be only one god. Only one god is allowed. We see this with Judaism and Islam.
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  37. FWIW he just won the DC caucus. Then Kasich then Trump and then Cruz.

    Establishment really hates Cruz.

    But Cruz just won WY. Cruz seems to do very well in states with a lot of natural resource workers.

    I’m developing a theory that unemployed Whites who move to other states to do actual work-eg AK, ID, OK, TX instead of waiting for factories to return to shitholes (and even if they did all the work would be done with robots anyways) are Cruz-type voters.

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    But Cruz just won WY. Cruz seems to do very well in states with a lot of natural resource workers.
     
    The entire delegate haul in WY was determined by less than 1000 votes. I rather doubt that many of those were from traveling roughnecks or BNSF conductors who decided to get registered to vote from their room at the Motel 6 and then head on out to the polling place in between their 12-hour shifts to pull the lever for Ted Cruz.

    No, this was the Republican Evangelical machine in action. In a state like Wyoming, the closest thing the GOP has to party apparatchiks are the only ones showing up and voting, and they are all organized through the local Evangelical church. Heck, the polling location was probably at the Church. Ted Cruz has no other base of support but these people.
    , @rod1963
    When you and your wife get their start working for the GW Bush Administration and later wifey joins CFR and Goldman-Sachs as a senior executive. Well you are about as inside as they come.

    And consider that Neil Bush and entire Jeb Bush campaign team has joined Cruz's effort. It pretty much a ringing endorsement by the establishment.

    Here's the thing about resource extraction, it will only last as long as guys like Cruz(who is a wholly owned Goldman-Sachs and Bushco subsidiary) ad they don't open up immigration to more L-1 and H1-B foreign workers to replace the hayseeds in the rural states. It will go the way of meat processors who used to make good money and now is dominated by low wage illegals. Hormel foods is a great example of worker replacement.

    That's the problem with voting for Cruz, he does what the establishment wants.

    , @Twirlip
    Wyoming was a caucus state. Cruz does very well in caucus states, and significantly more poorly in primary states. If there's a few hundred to a few thousand party insiders voting Cruz has a good shot. When there's several hundred thousand people voting the odds are against him. Yes, he won the big Texas primary but that's his home state.
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  38. Mr. Anon says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    As a Traditional Catholic, an Aristotelian-Thomist, a monarchist, and a perennialist, I know pretty well what I am trying to conserve. I admit, however, that my side has had a rough few centuries.

    As you mentioned, the "conservatism" of Marxo Rubio is really just a label without meaning or significance. What he actually stands for is the complete liberation of crony-capital to loot and ransack the world. This differs from transnational socialism only in inessentials.

    Back in the heady days of the mid 2000's when the Iraq War as in full swing and George Bush and the Neocons were much hated, it became fashionable among dissenters to criticize Leo Strauss, whose philosophy was believed to animate their whole nation-building mission. The salient point of Strauss' program was that the End of History would see the coming of a universal liberal democracy in which everybody could find expression for their grievances and would hence be "satisfied."

    "Conservatives" like Little Marco only care about America insofar as they see it as a seed crystal of the universal liberal democracy, thus their desire to conflate the historic American nation with other crystalization points like the EU, the UN, and global capitalism. They don't care how many traditions, nations, and peoples have to be destroyed for the advancement of their vision. They truly are apocalyptic, millenarian, chiliastic, and eschatological. If a proper taxonomy of heresy were still in usage, they would be known as a Gnostic cult on par with the Albigensians.

    There is a vast fog of confusion which beclouds the vision of Establishment Cuckservatism. What many fail to realize, however, is that the source of this confusion predates, and finds expression in, the US Constitution itself; therefore adverting to "constitutionalism" a la Ted Cruz is not going to help anything. The Constitution is a Gnostic document.

    The wonderful thing about Donald Trump is that he is pioneering a new era of extra-constitutional rule, but that he is doing so within the established political traditions of the country. This is "conservatism" in a much deeper and more ancient sense than any GOP ideologue can appreciate. It is the conservatism of Julius Caesar, who in his own way harkened back to the heroes of the Mycenaean Age.

    “As a Traditional Catholic, an Aristotelian-Thomist, a monarchist, and a perennialist, ……….”

    That’s quite a list. A perennialist? Is that someone whose philosophy centers around begonias?

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    That’s quite a list. A perennialist? Is that someone whose philosophy centers around begonias?
     
    Perennialism (as distinguished from Perennial philosophy, which is actually a syncretist heresy) is really just a way of saying that you're a natural-law realist. Perennialism is the metaphysical substrate of all traditionalist thought. It condenses cultural continuity, patriarchy, race-realism, and a whole raft of other concepts into single handy term.
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  39. Mr. Anon says:

    ““This is what a culture and a society looks like when everybody says whatever the heck they want, when everyone just goes around saying ‘I’m just going to speak my mind,’” Rubio said at a morning press conference in Largo, Fla.”

    This isn’t a problem for little Marco. Whenever he speaks, we can be assured that the words are not the product of Rubio’s diminutive mind, but of Norman Brahman, Paul Singer, and many others besides. But, certainly, not his.

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  40. Mr. Anon says:
    @SFG
    You're not the first one to think of this; Trump was friends with the Clintons in elite New York circles for a while. I give the conspiracy theories about a 5-10% chance of being true; probably not true, but not definitely not true.

    Some people speculated that Ross Perot’s campaign in 1992 might have been a put-up job too. I personally don’t credit it, but the idea had some currency.

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    But, in the case of Perot, he had a good reason (hatred of Bush I) for all the time, money, and effort that he put into making sure a Clinton won the White House and he ran again against Clinton (but not Bush I) four years later.
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  41. Harold says:
    @Randal
    How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting "free speech does not include hate speech"?

    That and a few graduates from colleges accustomed to routinely "no platforming" uncomfortable opinions, and Bob's your uncle - the First Amendment reinterpreted to class "hate speech" with "fighting talk".

    Five years? Ten?

    Genetic research will have come a long way in ten years. Things will be different.

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  42. Claude says:

    I see some comments about democracy in this thread. Let us not forget two facts. America is not a democracy; and democrats killed Socrates.

    Disclaimer: Trump is not Socrates.

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  43. @anony-mouse
    FWIW he just won the DC caucus. Then Kasich then Trump and then Cruz.

    Establishment really hates Cruz.

    But Cruz just won WY. Cruz seems to do very well in states with a lot of natural resource workers.

    I'm developing a theory that unemployed Whites who move to other states to do actual work-eg AK, ID, OK, TX instead of waiting for factories to return to shitholes (and even if they did all the work would be done with robots anyways) are Cruz-type voters.

    But Cruz just won WY. Cruz seems to do very well in states with a lot of natural resource workers.

    The entire delegate haul in WY was determined by less than 1000 votes. I rather doubt that many of those were from traveling roughnecks or BNSF conductors who decided to get registered to vote from their room at the Motel 6 and then head on out to the polling place in between their 12-hour shifts to pull the lever for Ted Cruz.

    No, this was the Republican Evangelical machine in action. In a state like Wyoming, the closest thing the GOP has to party apparatchiks are the only ones showing up and voting, and they are all organized through the local Evangelical church. Heck, the polling location was probably at the Church. Ted Cruz has no other base of support but these people.

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    "The entire delegate haul in WY was determined by less than 1000 votes. I rather doubt that many of those were from traveling roughnecks or BNSF conductors who decided to get registered to vote from their room at the Motel 6 and then head on out to the polling place in between their 12-hour shifts to pull the lever for Ted Cruz.

    No, this was the Republican Evangelical machine in action. In a state like Wyoming, the closest thing the GOP has to party apparatchiks are the only ones showing up and voting, and they are all organized through the local Evangelical church. Heck, the polling location was probably at the Church. Ted Cruz has no other base of support but these people."

    Superfly Jimmy Snuka's home country of the Fiji islands have a larger population than Wyoming. It is a very underpopulated state.

    , @OldSteve_N_Va
    Wyoming gave us the great Dick Cheney--just sayin.
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  44. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @iSteveFan
    How about meanwhile at the Trump rally, leftist loons try to prevent American citizens from exercising their 1st Amendment rights. Isn't that the bigger story?

    Yes, that’s why it’s a big news story. This guy’s tweet isn’t.

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  45. @Mr. Anon
    "As a Traditional Catholic, an Aristotelian-Thomist, a monarchist, and a perennialist, .........."

    That's quite a list. A perennialist? Is that someone whose philosophy centers around begonias?

    That’s quite a list. A perennialist? Is that someone whose philosophy centers around begonias?

    Perennialism (as distinguished from Perennial philosophy, which is actually a syncretist heresy) is really just a way of saying that you’re a natural-law realist. Perennialism is the metaphysical substrate of all traditionalist thought. It condenses cultural continuity, patriarchy, race-realism, and a whole raft of other concepts into single handy term.

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  46. Of course Rubio is against freedom of speech.

    You don’t have it in Latin America so you don’t need it in Latinizing America.

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    Of course Rubio is against freedom of speech.

    You don’t have it in Latin America so you don’t need it in Latinizing America.
     
    Free speech doesn't exist in Cuba. It's quite robust in Mexico and reasonably possible in Colombia, Peru, Argentina, and Brazil. Best not to dare dissenting in Venezuela.

    Latin America is actually doing pretty well in freedom of speech compared to Europe or Anglo-America.

    Of course, Rubio's position is no surprise. The far-right corporatist types have always hated any kind of freedom or dissent.
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  47. @Randal
    How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting "free speech does not include hate speech"?

    That and a few graduates from colleges accustomed to routinely "no platforming" uncomfortable opinions, and Bob's your uncle - the First Amendment reinterpreted to class "hate speech" with "fighting talk".

    Five years? Ten?

    How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting “free speech does not include hate speech”?

    Uh, Randal, they’ve already been doing it for a long time.

    Left, right, and apolitical.

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  48. @asdf
    "And if they speak out and say whatever they want, it all breaks down. It’s called chaos..."

    Well, probably the most earnest statement from Rubio.

    You almost feel sad for the guy. He's like Charlie Brown getting the ball ripped from under him by Lucy....

    He’s like Charlie Brown getting the ball ripped from under him by Lucy….

    He’s like Charlie Brown getting his balls ripped off from him by Lucy….

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  49. rod1963 says:
    @anony-mouse
    FWIW he just won the DC caucus. Then Kasich then Trump and then Cruz.

    Establishment really hates Cruz.

    But Cruz just won WY. Cruz seems to do very well in states with a lot of natural resource workers.

    I'm developing a theory that unemployed Whites who move to other states to do actual work-eg AK, ID, OK, TX instead of waiting for factories to return to shitholes (and even if they did all the work would be done with robots anyways) are Cruz-type voters.

    When you and your wife get their start working for the GW Bush Administration and later wifey joins CFR and Goldman-Sachs as a senior executive. Well you are about as inside as they come.

    And consider that Neil Bush and entire Jeb Bush campaign team has joined Cruz’s effort. It pretty much a ringing endorsement by the establishment.

    Here’s the thing about resource extraction, it will only last as long as guys like Cruz(who is a wholly owned Goldman-Sachs and Bushco subsidiary) ad they don’t open up immigration to more L-1 and H1-B foreign workers to replace the hayseeds in the rural states. It will go the way of meat processors who used to make good money and now is dominated by low wage illegals. Hormel foods is a great example of worker replacement.

    That’s the problem with voting for Cruz, he does what the establishment wants.

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    Hormel foods is a great example of worker replacement.
     
    Roy Beck covered this. Hormel was slower to do so than their competition, and suffered for it. Even their unions finally conceded this point, according to Beck.

    Meatpacking is an ugly, dirty, dangerous job that is overripe for mechanization anyway. Should the plants return to an American workforce, the jobs will eventually be better, but fewer. Much fewer.

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  50. rod1963 says:
    @SFG
    You're not the first one to think of this; Trump was friends with the Clintons in elite New York circles for a while. I give the conspiracy theories about a 5-10% chance of being true; probably not true, but not definitely not true.

    I sort of thought that in the beginning, but realized it didn’t make sense. Hillary had the election in the bag prior to Trump.

    Why? All the GOP candidates were grotesque and unappealing characters. Doltish Jeb who was going to be the anointed one had a platform that guaranteed a victory to Hillary. Cruz has no appeal outside Evangelicals and Mormons meant he was no more than a new version of Huckabee. The others were even worse. All globalists in terms of trade and immigration and generally Neo-Cons on foreign policy.

    They made Hillary look good. It was going to be a repeat of 2008 and 2012 where the GOP ran the most unappealing oligarchic puppet they could find and caused a good portion of the whites to sit it out.

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  51. @Dave Pinsen
    Even better, representative democracy doesn't include getting to vote for your preferred candidate:
    https://twitter.com/dashbot/status/708840654034636800

    Dashiell Bennett? He’s named after a Commie?

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    Dude, you are thinking of Dashiell Hammett.
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  52. Twirlip says:
    @Grandpa Jack
    A political party that favors the American people over the will of the wealthy elites, special interest groups, and citizens of other countries, doesn't need to hold secret meetings at Sea island to try to silence the will of the people in support of wealthy elites. Core American voters are not the 'useful idiots' that make up the masses of the Democrat Party. They can put 2+2 together, and they remember. If they do come up with a way to remove Trump, the GOP is basically eviscerating itself with its base.

    Of course if I were REALLY paranoid, I might wonder if Trump were being secretly paid to destroy the Right, this close to an election that should otherwise be an easy win for the Right. The Hungarian Sauron, with all of his wealth couldn't come up with a better way to guarantee a Lefty president getting voted in after the disaster that was Obama.

    Trumps not destroying the right. if anything he’s reinvigorating it after it spent the last twenty years locked in the GOP’s attic. Don’t confuse the right with the Republican party, the GOP hates the right every bit as much as the left does.

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  53. @rod1963
    When you and your wife get their start working for the GW Bush Administration and later wifey joins CFR and Goldman-Sachs as a senior executive. Well you are about as inside as they come.

    And consider that Neil Bush and entire Jeb Bush campaign team has joined Cruz's effort. It pretty much a ringing endorsement by the establishment.

    Here's the thing about resource extraction, it will only last as long as guys like Cruz(who is a wholly owned Goldman-Sachs and Bushco subsidiary) ad they don't open up immigration to more L-1 and H1-B foreign workers to replace the hayseeds in the rural states. It will go the way of meat processors who used to make good money and now is dominated by low wage illegals. Hormel foods is a great example of worker replacement.

    That's the problem with voting for Cruz, he does what the establishment wants.

    Hormel foods is a great example of worker replacement.

    Roy Beck covered this. Hormel was slower to do so than their competition, and suffered for it. Even their unions finally conceded this point, according to Beck.

    Meatpacking is an ugly, dirty, dangerous job that is overripe for mechanization anyway. Should the plants return to an American workforce, the jobs will eventually be better, but fewer. Much fewer.

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  54. Jefferson says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    But Cruz just won WY. Cruz seems to do very well in states with a lot of natural resource workers.
     
    The entire delegate haul in WY was determined by less than 1000 votes. I rather doubt that many of those were from traveling roughnecks or BNSF conductors who decided to get registered to vote from their room at the Motel 6 and then head on out to the polling place in between their 12-hour shifts to pull the lever for Ted Cruz.

    No, this was the Republican Evangelical machine in action. In a state like Wyoming, the closest thing the GOP has to party apparatchiks are the only ones showing up and voting, and they are all organized through the local Evangelical church. Heck, the polling location was probably at the Church. Ted Cruz has no other base of support but these people.

    “The entire delegate haul in WY was determined by less than 1000 votes. I rather doubt that many of those were from traveling roughnecks or BNSF conductors who decided to get registered to vote from their room at the Motel 6 and then head on out to the polling place in between their 12-hour shifts to pull the lever for Ted Cruz.

    No, this was the Republican Evangelical machine in action. In a state like Wyoming, the closest thing the GOP has to party apparatchiks are the only ones showing up and voting, and they are all organized through the local Evangelical church. Heck, the polling location was probably at the Church. Ted Cruz has no other base of support but these people.”

    Superfly Jimmy Snuka’s home country of the Fiji islands have a larger population than Wyoming. It is a very underpopulated state.

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  55. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile at the Trump rally....

    https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/708826116803469312

    Not bad advice. Auschwitz gives tours. That’d put things into proper perspective.

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  56. Twirlip says:
    @anony-mouse
    FWIW he just won the DC caucus. Then Kasich then Trump and then Cruz.

    Establishment really hates Cruz.

    But Cruz just won WY. Cruz seems to do very well in states with a lot of natural resource workers.

    I'm developing a theory that unemployed Whites who move to other states to do actual work-eg AK, ID, OK, TX instead of waiting for factories to return to shitholes (and even if they did all the work would be done with robots anyways) are Cruz-type voters.

    Wyoming was a caucus state. Cruz does very well in caucus states, and significantly more poorly in primary states. If there’s a few hundred to a few thousand party insiders voting Cruz has a good shot. When there’s several hundred thousand people voting the odds are against him. Yes, he won the big Texas primary but that’s his home state.

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  57. @iSteveFan
    How many times have we heard movement conservatives say something like this, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?" So much for that bluster from those who claim to worship the Constitution. For now it appears Rubio, Kasich, Cruz and the rest of the GOP establishment are not only not going to defend us to the death, but are going to assign the blame to us instead. For anyone still supporting Rubio, Kasich or Cruz this should be eye opening.

    If they collapse like a house of cards on a clear-cut 1st amendment issue like this, how sanguine are you that they will protect your interests when it comes to immigration, trade and a host of other issues? In this case they don't even have to approve of Trump or his supporters because the 1st amendment is pretty clear. Yet they still found a way to back down. Just wait until they go to bat for you on an issue that is more nuanced and even less clear-cut.

    Trump’s opponents have no allegiance to the first amendment. Rubio spilled the beans: they want the unwashed masses to shut up. (Sanders’s free-speech credentials have also evaporated.)

    But don’t count on Trump to defend the 1st amendment. He would destroy it by defamation law rather than criminal law, but he would destroy it just the same.

    Never trust a rich vexatious litigant!

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    From what I've seen we could do with tougher libel laws in America. I'm with Trump on that one.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Like I said when people would go on about how great Singapore is: Guys like me get sued first.
    , @Pilgrim786
    I don't know whether Trump has tried to sue people into silence, but that technique badly backfires in 21st century America as it only serves to highlight, even obliquely, the very thing one would rather have forgotten. It's called the "Streisand effect."

    Also, a businessman, any private person, actually, pursuing libel action will receive markedly different treatment from the both, press and public.

    Joe Q. Public would probably support businessman Trump's libel action(s) or simply not care whereas such behavior from candidate Trump could cast him in the role of a bully.
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  58. Twirlip says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    Trump's opponents have no allegiance to the first amendment. Rubio spilled the beans: they want the unwashed masses to shut up. (Sanders's free-speech credentials have also evaporated.)

    But don't count on Trump to defend the 1st amendment. He would destroy it by defamation law rather than criminal law, but he would destroy it just the same.

    Never trust a rich vexatious litigant!

    From what I’ve seen we could do with tougher libel laws in America. I’m with Trump on that one.

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  59. @Stephen R. Diamond
    Trump's opponents have no allegiance to the first amendment. Rubio spilled the beans: they want the unwashed masses to shut up. (Sanders's free-speech credentials have also evaporated.)

    But don't count on Trump to defend the 1st amendment. He would destroy it by defamation law rather than criminal law, but he would destroy it just the same.

    Never trust a rich vexatious litigant!

    Like I said when people would go on about how great Singapore is: Guys like me get sued first.

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  60. 5371 says:

    This is an explicit admission by Mr. South Beach Gay Teen that he has never spoken his own mind in politics, but just repeated what older and richer men told him to say.

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    Cocaine is a hell-of-a-drug.
    , @Pilgrim786
    Rubio as a shiny golden rent boy! I love it! And when I think about it, it makes terrific sense! LOL
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  61. Wyrd says:
    @5371
    This is an explicit admission by Mr. South Beach Gay Teen that he has never spoken his own mind in politics, but just repeated what older and richer men told him to say.

    Cocaine is a hell-of-a-drug.

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    But it don't lie. Cocaine. (cue guitar riff) .
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  62. Realist says:
    @Randal
    How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting "free speech does not include hate speech"?

    That and a few graduates from colleges accustomed to routinely "no platforming" uncomfortable opinions, and Bob's your uncle - the First Amendment reinterpreted to class "hate speech" with "fighting talk".

    Five years? Ten?

    That ship has sailed.

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  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    Great observation. The whole microaggression thing is directly related to diversity. It's too hard to keep track of all these groups and what may or may not offend them.

    That’s a good point. Diversity is not all that cracked up to be. You can’t keep up with what offends who. Besides Rubio sides with the thugs. This violent behaviour should be rejected by both sides. This is what culture looks like when there is not diversity of opinion and people have been brainwashed to think another views should not be allowed because it’s not my views. Bottom line is nobody is forced to listen to either side.

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  64. @5371
    This is an explicit admission by Mr. South Beach Gay Teen that he has never spoken his own mind in politics, but just repeated what older and richer men told him to say.

    Rubio as a shiny golden rent boy! I love it! And when I think about it, it makes terrific sense! LOL

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  65. @Stephen R. Diamond
    Trump's opponents have no allegiance to the first amendment. Rubio spilled the beans: they want the unwashed masses to shut up. (Sanders's free-speech credentials have also evaporated.)

    But don't count on Trump to defend the 1st amendment. He would destroy it by defamation law rather than criminal law, but he would destroy it just the same.

    Never trust a rich vexatious litigant!

    I don’t know whether Trump has tried to sue people into silence, but that technique badly backfires in 21st century America as it only serves to highlight, even obliquely, the very thing one would rather have forgotten. It’s called the “Streisand effect.”

    Also, a businessman, any private person, actually, pursuing libel action will receive markedly different treatment from the both, press and public.

    Joe Q. Public would probably support businessman Trump’s libel action(s) or simply not care whereas such behavior from candidate Trump could cast him in the role of a bully.

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    I don’t know whether Trump has tried to sue people into silence
     
    What? He even publicly threatened Cruz with a defamation suit.
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  66. @epebble
    I am surprised he didn't trot out the "Fire in crowded theater" argument!

    I’ve never received a satisfactory response from such types when I asked whether one could shout “fire” if there was, in fact, a fire.

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  67. @pseudochthon
    I don't think he's denouncing Freedom of Speech.
    He said that we should exercise discretion as a social norm (as "a culture and society"), not that the government should regulate people's speech. Now, beyond government regulation, this blog makes compelling points about the pitfalls of overly stringent informal regulation of speech, too. The social costs of Noticing. But Rubio doesn't fall in the red zone on that count either.
    He's saying that both Trump and the Chicago protesters are intemperate, which is a bad outcome that Trump helped bring about. He's not saying "It would be a shame if the protesters did some damage, wink, wink."

    To conflate the exercise of discretion with the abridgment of the Freedom of Speech is just to sanctify boorishness...or something. There's a catchy pretentious motto in there somewhere....

    I’m sure that tolerance of boorishness is one of the main reasons for a formal -SUPER formal- protection code.

    One doesn’t sanctify boorishness by tolerating it.

    E.g. One doesn’t have to sanctify or even approve of prostitution in order to legalize it. Every castle needs a sewer and so every city needs a brothel.

    The whole point of the 1sr, to me, is precisely that of protecting rough and even loutish speech, as opposed to the merely obscene, the defamatory, and that which is outright incitement to violence.

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  68. @SFG
    You're not the first one to think of this; Trump was friends with the Clintons in elite New York circles for a while. I give the conspiracy theories about a 5-10% chance of being true; probably not true, but not definitely not true.

    I’d hardly be surprised if Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They had a phone conversation about a month before Trump announced his candidacy. Bill Clinton probably likes Trump on a golf buddy level more than he likes Jeb or Rubio or Walker or whomever, so why wouldn’t he go along with Trump’s usual egotism and tell him he’s better than the other Republicans.

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    Of course, it's possible that Clinton encoraged him to run and that he is doing it in earnest to win...

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html
    , @anonymous
    This is a variation on what you seemed to be conveying last year, when sharing all of the golf buddy pictures. Then, you seemed to me to be suggesing that Trump was a faux Republican candidate clearing the field for Bill's wife. But you've since been tacking to a pro-Trump audience. Do you see Clinton as Dr. Frankensoros, and his monster as the hero who will lead the villagers back to the castle to overthrow their common enemy? The careful wording of your comment, of course, allows you to have said, once this all resolves, that Clinton unwittingly inspired Trump. I guess you can even still maintain that you were saying all along that Trump was in cahoots with the Clintons.

    You're free to keep your cards as close as you like.
    , @a Newsreader
    Maybe Bill Clinton thinks Trump would be a good president.
    , @candid_observer
    One thing that I don't often see mentioned is one obvious similarity between Clinton and Trump: as different as they are in so many ways, they are perhaps the greatest natural politicians of our era.
    , @EriK
    Living in NY since the early 80's I've been watching Trump for a long time. I always thought that the idea he was manipulated into running for President was nonsense and still do. He's not carrying water for anyone. True I don't think he gives a rip about the Republican Party but neither do I anymore. And I've been about as reliable a R voter as possible. The only Dem I ever voted for in a federal election, or statewide election for that matter was DP Moynihan when he ran against Bernadette Castro Convertibles in 1994.
    , @Mr. Anon
    It's possible that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run thinking that he probably wouldn't get the nomination or that, if he did, he would be an easy candidate for Hillary to beat. It's also possible that Bill doesn't want Hillary to get elected, because a.) he doesn't like her much, or b.) he simply doesn't want to be upstaged by his own wife.

    In any event, it is quite likely that old Slick Willy never anticipated the support that Trump would get. It's not like Bill Clinton has been a man of the people these last sixteen years since he left office. He is probably as out of touch with ordinary Americas as is most of the Washington / New York elite.
    , @anonymous
    Mr. Sailer,

    You have thus far ignored my comment (#76), but I do thank you for publishing it.

    As this website and your blog inevitably succumb to TrumpWatch 2016, I look forward to seeing how you (re)position yourself. In any event, I admire your work and will continue to cherish your efforts to require clear thinking and candor among other thoughtful people.
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  69. donut says:

    “This is what a culture and a society looks like when everybody says whatever the heck they want, when everyone just goes around saying ‘I’m just going to speak my mind,’” Rubio said at a morning press conference in Largo, Fla. “

    Well thank god we don’t have that sort of “chaos” going on here , right Sailer ?

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  70. @celt darnell
    Of course Rubio is against freedom of speech.

    You don't have it in Latin America so you don't need it in Latinizing America.

    Of course Rubio is against freedom of speech.

    You don’t have it in Latin America so you don’t need it in Latinizing America.

    Free speech doesn’t exist in Cuba. It’s quite robust in Mexico and reasonably possible in Colombia, Peru, Argentina, and Brazil. Best not to dare dissenting in Venezuela.

    Latin America is actually doing pretty well in freedom of speech compared to Europe or Anglo-America.

    Of course, Rubio’s position is no surprise. The far-right corporatist types have always hated any kind of freedom or dissent.

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    "It’s quite robust in Mexico"

    Movie director Luis Estrada is just a brutal satirist. He's probably a really brave guy, though.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    It’s quite robust in Mexico

    Haven't a number of journalists been killed for reporting on the narcos, especially on their ties to the police and government?
    , @celt darnell
    Ah yes, Latin America, that bastion of human freedom....
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  71. @Grandpa Jack
    A political party that favors the American people over the will of the wealthy elites, special interest groups, and citizens of other countries, doesn't need to hold secret meetings at Sea island to try to silence the will of the people in support of wealthy elites. Core American voters are not the 'useful idiots' that make up the masses of the Democrat Party. They can put 2+2 together, and they remember. If they do come up with a way to remove Trump, the GOP is basically eviscerating itself with its base.

    Of course if I were REALLY paranoid, I might wonder if Trump were being secretly paid to destroy the Right, this close to an election that should otherwise be an easy win for the Right. The Hungarian Sauron, with all of his wealth couldn't come up with a better way to guarantee a Lefty president getting voted in after the disaster that was Obama.

    I’ve wondered about this a lot too, but there’s a NYT article about Trump elbowing his way into the Republican party. If it’s all true and also he’s a Clinton plant, then they’ve been a long time in planning an elaborate deception…

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html

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  72. @(((Owen)))

    Of course Rubio is against freedom of speech.

    You don’t have it in Latin America so you don’t need it in Latinizing America.
     
    Free speech doesn't exist in Cuba. It's quite robust in Mexico and reasonably possible in Colombia, Peru, Argentina, and Brazil. Best not to dare dissenting in Venezuela.

    Latin America is actually doing pretty well in freedom of speech compared to Europe or Anglo-America.

    Of course, Rubio's position is no surprise. The far-right corporatist types have always hated any kind of freedom or dissent.

    “It’s quite robust in Mexico”

    Movie director Luis Estrada is just a brutal satirist. He’s probably a really brave guy, though.

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    Agreed. Estrada is a national treasure.

    Back in the twentieth century he had trouble getting distribution for critical political films but the ruling party can't wield that kind of power today.
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  73. @Steve Sailer
    I'd hardly be surprised if Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They had a phone conversation about a month before Trump announced his candidacy. Bill Clinton probably likes Trump on a golf buddy level more than he likes Jeb or Rubio or Walker or whomever, so why wouldn't he go along with Trump's usual egotism and tell him he's better than the other Republicans.

    Of course, it’s possible that Clinton encoraged him to run and that he is doing it in earnest to win…

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html

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  74. Lyov Myshkin [AKA "Nicholas White"] says:

    This incident is just another reminder that the Majority American Population is under threat of violence if it dares to speak its mind in the public square and Rubio is happy with that situation. Hell, maybe its part of the Conservative platform these days.

    Thanks for your support, Marco.

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  75. BB753 says:
    @Wyrd
    Cocaine is a hell-of-a-drug.

    But it don’t lie. Cocaine. (cue guitar riff) .

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  76. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    I'd hardly be surprised if Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They had a phone conversation about a month before Trump announced his candidacy. Bill Clinton probably likes Trump on a golf buddy level more than he likes Jeb or Rubio or Walker or whomever, so why wouldn't he go along with Trump's usual egotism and tell him he's better than the other Republicans.

    This is a variation on what you seemed to be conveying last year, when sharing all of the golf buddy pictures. Then, you seemed to me to be suggesing that Trump was a faux Republican candidate clearing the field for Bill’s wife. But you’ve since been tacking to a pro-Trump audience. Do you see Clinton as Dr. Frankensoros, and his monster as the hero who will lead the villagers back to the castle to overthrow their common enemy? The careful wording of your comment, of course, allows you to have said, once this all resolves, that Clinton unwittingly inspired Trump. I guess you can even still maintain that you were saying all along that Trump was in cahoots with the Clintons.

    You’re free to keep your cards as close as you like.

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  77. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile at the Trump rally....

    https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/708826116803469312

    Chicago woman and Yankees fan making the same gesture!

    How would Mr Rosenberg deal with those damn Yankees fans?

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  78. Mark2 says:
    @epebble
    I am surprised he didn't trot out the "Fire in crowded theater" argument!

    The constant repetition of the “white privilege” narrative is more obviously inciteful than anything from the right. Yet they, indeed, trot this garbage argument out without shame.

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  79. When little Marco moves, you can see his strings. The words come from somone else.

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  80. @(((Owen)))

    Of course Rubio is against freedom of speech.

    You don’t have it in Latin America so you don’t need it in Latinizing America.
     
    Free speech doesn't exist in Cuba. It's quite robust in Mexico and reasonably possible in Colombia, Peru, Argentina, and Brazil. Best not to dare dissenting in Venezuela.

    Latin America is actually doing pretty well in freedom of speech compared to Europe or Anglo-America.

    Of course, Rubio's position is no surprise. The far-right corporatist types have always hated any kind of freedom or dissent.

    It’s quite robust in Mexico

    Haven’t a number of journalists been killed for reporting on the narcos, especially on their ties to the police and government?

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    Yeah, in the novel The Cartel, author Don Winslow's dedication was to the 131 journalists murdered in Mexico during the time period the novel takes place in.
    , @(((Owen)))
    Yes, but freedom of speech means only that the government isn't censoring you. It doesn't mean anyone has to listen to or publish you or that drug gangs can't murder you.

    Investigating drug gangs in a country where they have to stay mysterious and kill to survive is always going to be dangerous, freedom of speech or not. In the previous system where the government protected the gangs as long as they paid the mordida, the press was a lot safer.
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  81. @Drapetomaniac
    The whole (micro)aggression thing is about those who believe that their way is the only way or the best way and therefore want to force their beliefs on everyone else versus those who don't agree with them and want to be left alone.

    All libertarians and most anarchists act the same in wanting to bend society to their own beliefs. I say let each and everyone choose what political belief system they want to adhere to and if they choose wrong they alone are responsible. Kinda like investing in the stock market.

    The whole (micro)aggression thing is about those who believe that their way is the only way or the best way and therefore want to force their beliefs on everyone else versus those who don’t agree with them and want to be left alone.

    When one sees monotheism contrasted with henotheism, as In Cuddihy’s No Offense: Civil Religion and Protestant Taste, one realizes that monotheism in practice isn’t a belief that there is only one god; it’s a belief that there may be only one god. Only one god is allowed. We see this with Judaism and Islam.

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  82. The far-right corporatist types have always hated any kind of freedom or dissent.

    They support freedom for aggression, which places them squarely on the left.

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  83. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile at the Trump rally....

    https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/708826116803469312

    Yair Rosenberg: Trump supporter at rally yells “Go to Auschwitz. Go to fucking Auschwitz.” It’s my Twitter mentions in real life.

    I.e., Trunp supporters are collectively guilty for this man’s action.

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    No, that's not his point. There are lots of anti-Semitic Trump supporters on Twitter who make anti-Semitic tweets directed towards Rosenberg.
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  84. @antipater_1
    "How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting “free speech does not include hate speech"?
    Where have you been the last 24 hours Randal? Ted Cruz, little Marco, John Kasich and Fox news have been all over this blaming Donald Trump for "violence."

    Where have you been the last 24 hours Randal? Ted Cruz, little Marco, John Kasich and Fox news have been all over this blaming Donald Trump for “violence.”

    Fox News was on in my hotel’s breakfast room, and the program was going the other way. denouncing the attack on Trump’s freedom of speak and his supporters’ freedom to assemble.

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  85. @Intelligent Dasein

    But Cruz just won WY. Cruz seems to do very well in states with a lot of natural resource workers.
     
    The entire delegate haul in WY was determined by less than 1000 votes. I rather doubt that many of those were from traveling roughnecks or BNSF conductors who decided to get registered to vote from their room at the Motel 6 and then head on out to the polling place in between their 12-hour shifts to pull the lever for Ted Cruz.

    No, this was the Republican Evangelical machine in action. In a state like Wyoming, the closest thing the GOP has to party apparatchiks are the only ones showing up and voting, and they are all organized through the local Evangelical church. Heck, the polling location was probably at the Church. Ted Cruz has no other base of support but these people.

    Wyoming gave us the great Dick Cheney–just sayin.

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  86. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon
    Some people speculated that Ross Perot's campaign in 1992 might have been a put-up job too. I personally don't credit it, but the idea had some currency.

    But, in the case of Perot, he had a good reason (hatred of Bush I) for all the time, money, and effort that he put into making sure a Clinton won the White House and he ran again against Clinton (but not Bush I) four years later.

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  87. MarkinLA says:

    I wonder where Ben Shapiro and Mike Levin will be on this? They have endlessly attacked Trump for not being a true conservative or not supporting the Constitution and they are Cruz supporters. Of course Shapiro has cried about his boorish behavior. My guess is their neoconism won’t let them denounce Cruz and they will pretend it is already forgotten.

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  88. @Steve Sailer
    I'd hardly be surprised if Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They had a phone conversation about a month before Trump announced his candidacy. Bill Clinton probably likes Trump on a golf buddy level more than he likes Jeb or Rubio or Walker or whomever, so why wouldn't he go along with Trump's usual egotism and tell him he's better than the other Republicans.

    Maybe Bill Clinton thinks Trump would be a good president.

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    Maybe he thinks Hillary will be a lousy one. He already knows she is a lousy lay.
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  89. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @ben tillman

    Yair Rosenberg: Trump supporter at rally yells "Go to Auschwitz. Go to fucking Auschwitz." It's my Twitter mentions in real life.
     
    I.e., Trunp supporters are collectively guilty for this man's action.

    No, that’s not his point. There are lots of anti-Semitic Trump supporters on Twitter who make anti-Semitic tweets directed towards Rosenberg.

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    There are a lot of anti-Semitic people following Hillary - probably the vast majority of them black.
    , @ben tillman

    No, that’s not his point. There are lots of anti-Semitic Trump supporters on Twitter who make anti-Semitic tweets directed towards Rosenberg.
     
    So, what's his point?
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  90. @Steve Sailer
    I'd hardly be surprised if Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They had a phone conversation about a month before Trump announced his candidacy. Bill Clinton probably likes Trump on a golf buddy level more than he likes Jeb or Rubio or Walker or whomever, so why wouldn't he go along with Trump's usual egotism and tell him he's better than the other Republicans.

    One thing that I don’t often see mentioned is one obvious similarity between Clinton and Trump: as different as they are in so many ways, they are perhaps the greatest natural politicians of our era.

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  91. EriK says:
    @Wyrd
    Join the Democratic party already, Micro Rubioto.

    I usually tire quickly of word play on people’s names, but I’ve got to say Micro Rubioto is going to stick for awhile with me.

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  92. Brutusale says:
    @pseudochthon
    I don't think he's denouncing Freedom of Speech.
    He said that we should exercise discretion as a social norm (as "a culture and society"), not that the government should regulate people's speech. Now, beyond government regulation, this blog makes compelling points about the pitfalls of overly stringent informal regulation of speech, too. The social costs of Noticing. But Rubio doesn't fall in the red zone on that count either.
    He's saying that both Trump and the Chicago protesters are intemperate, which is a bad outcome that Trump helped bring about. He's not saying "It would be a shame if the protesters did some damage, wink, wink."

    To conflate the exercise of discretion with the abridgment of the Freedom of Speech is just to sanctify boorishness...or something. There's a catchy pretentious motto in there somewhere....

    So you’re conflating the statement that there are some, by word and deed, proven to be inimical to the American Experiment and we have to be on guard for bad actors with the statement the I don’t like what you’re saying so I’ll adopt violent means to keep you from saying it?

    Um, OK.

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  93. EriK says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I'd hardly be surprised if Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They had a phone conversation about a month before Trump announced his candidacy. Bill Clinton probably likes Trump on a golf buddy level more than he likes Jeb or Rubio or Walker or whomever, so why wouldn't he go along with Trump's usual egotism and tell him he's better than the other Republicans.

    Living in NY since the early 80′s I’ve been watching Trump for a long time. I always thought that the idea he was manipulated into running for President was nonsense and still do. He’s not carrying water for anyone. True I don’t think he gives a rip about the Republican Party but neither do I anymore. And I’ve been about as reliable a R voter as possible. The only Dem I ever voted for in a federal election, or statewide election for that matter was DP Moynihan when he ran against Bernadette Castro Convertibles in 1994.

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  94. Smitty says:

    Chaos, next thing you know these people will want Swiss bank accounts in their pockets!

    The nerve of these “americans wanting free speech and privacy” what chaos is next, the right to choose their own rep and set their own immigration policy?

    Monsters, every last American.

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  95. Brutusale says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    It’s quite robust in Mexico

    Haven't a number of journalists been killed for reporting on the narcos, especially on their ties to the police and government?

    Yeah, in the novel The Cartel, author Don Winslow’s dedication was to the 131 journalists murdered in Mexico during the time period the novel takes place in.

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  96. @(((Owen)))

    Of course Rubio is against freedom of speech.

    You don’t have it in Latin America so you don’t need it in Latinizing America.
     
    Free speech doesn't exist in Cuba. It's quite robust in Mexico and reasonably possible in Colombia, Peru, Argentina, and Brazil. Best not to dare dissenting in Venezuela.

    Latin America is actually doing pretty well in freedom of speech compared to Europe or Anglo-America.

    Of course, Rubio's position is no surprise. The far-right corporatist types have always hated any kind of freedom or dissent.

    Ah yes, Latin America, that bastion of human freedom….

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  97. MarkinLA says:
    @a Newsreader
    Maybe Bill Clinton thinks Trump would be a good president.

    Maybe he thinks Hillary will be a lousy one. He already knows she is a lousy lay.

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  98. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous
    No, that's not his point. There are lots of anti-Semitic Trump supporters on Twitter who make anti-Semitic tweets directed towards Rosenberg.

    There are a lot of anti-Semitic people following Hillary – probably the vast majority of them black.

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  99. MarkinLA says:
    @pseudochthon
    I don't think he's denouncing Freedom of Speech.
    He said that we should exercise discretion as a social norm (as "a culture and society"), not that the government should regulate people's speech. Now, beyond government regulation, this blog makes compelling points about the pitfalls of overly stringent informal regulation of speech, too. The social costs of Noticing. But Rubio doesn't fall in the red zone on that count either.
    He's saying that both Trump and the Chicago protesters are intemperate, which is a bad outcome that Trump helped bring about. He's not saying "It would be a shame if the protesters did some damage, wink, wink."

    To conflate the exercise of discretion with the abridgment of the Freedom of Speech is just to sanctify boorishness...or something. There's a catchy pretentious motto in there somewhere....

    For at least two decade we tried the “don’t say anything bad about immigrants” and maybe we will limit immigration like you want schtick. Guess what, it didn’t work. All that did was reinforce the meme that “everybody wants more immigrants”.

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  100. @Jefferson
    The Homosexual British Greek Jew Milo Yiannopoulos is a bigger defender of the 1st Amendment than the Christian Cuban Republican Little Marco.

    Check out Milo on TV sometimes. He plays the gay caballero thing to the hilt and it’s hilarious.

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  101. @Pilgrim786
    I don't know whether Trump has tried to sue people into silence, but that technique badly backfires in 21st century America as it only serves to highlight, even obliquely, the very thing one would rather have forgotten. It's called the "Streisand effect."

    Also, a businessman, any private person, actually, pursuing libel action will receive markedly different treatment from the both, press and public.

    Joe Q. Public would probably support businessman Trump's libel action(s) or simply not care whereas such behavior from candidate Trump could cast him in the role of a bully.

    I don’t know whether Trump has tried to sue people into silence

    What? He even publicly threatened Cruz with a defamation suit.

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    Well Cruz was lying as always.
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  102. @Harry Baldwin
    It’s quite robust in Mexico

    Haven't a number of journalists been killed for reporting on the narcos, especially on their ties to the police and government?

    Yes, but freedom of speech means only that the government isn’t censoring you. It doesn’t mean anyone has to listen to or publish you or that drug gangs can’t murder you.

    Investigating drug gangs in a country where they have to stay mysterious and kill to survive is always going to be dangerous, freedom of speech or not. In the previous system where the government protected the gangs as long as they paid the mordida, the press was a lot safer.

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  103. @Steve Sailer
    "It’s quite robust in Mexico"

    Movie director Luis Estrada is just a brutal satirist. He's probably a really brave guy, though.

    Agreed. Estrada is a national treasure.

    Back in the twentieth century he had trouble getting distribution for critical political films but the ruling party can’t wield that kind of power today.

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  104. @Randal
    How long before the submissive right joins the left in chanting "free speech does not include hate speech"?

    That and a few graduates from colleges accustomed to routinely "no platforming" uncomfortable opinions, and Bob's your uncle - the First Amendment reinterpreted to class "hate speech" with "fighting talk".

    Five years? Ten?

    “Hate speech” is just “free speech” that they disagree with.

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  105. @Reg Cæsar
    Dashiell Bennett? He's named after a Commie?

    Dude, you are thinking of Dashiell Hammett.

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    Dude, you are thinking of Dashiell Hammett.
     
    Well, duh. Ain't too many Dashiells. Who else would Bennett be named after?
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  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I'd hardly be surprised if Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They had a phone conversation about a month before Trump announced his candidacy. Bill Clinton probably likes Trump on a golf buddy level more than he likes Jeb or Rubio or Walker or whomever, so why wouldn't he go along with Trump's usual egotism and tell him he's better than the other Republicans.

    It’s possible that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run thinking that he probably wouldn’t get the nomination or that, if he did, he would be an easy candidate for Hillary to beat. It’s also possible that Bill doesn’t want Hillary to get elected, because a.) he doesn’t like her much, or b.) he simply doesn’t want to be upstaged by his own wife.

    In any event, it is quite likely that old Slick Willy never anticipated the support that Trump would get. It’s not like Bill Clinton has been a man of the people these last sixteen years since he left office. He is probably as out of touch with ordinary Americas as is most of the Washington / New York elite.

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    He is probably as out of touch with ordinary Americas as is most of the Washington / New York elite.

    One of the things I like about Justice Thomas is that he takes annual RV vacations into the heartland of America and interacts with regular people.


    In fact, the Washington power couple spends each summer touring the United States in their 40-foot Prevost motorhome, she said. The justice and his wife have cruised through 27 states since buying their used recreation vehicle in 1999.

    “We have found it’s a wonderful life,” Ginni Thomas told National Public Radio from upstate New York on Wednesday.

    “We have been in dozens of Wal-Mart parking lots throughout the country,” she added. “It’s one of our favorite things to do if we’re not having to plug in and we’ve got enough electricity.”

    She said that their joy in traveling has only been slightly tempered by the overwhelming to-do they occasionally get when other campers identify the high court justice.

    “Clarence gets recognized every once in a while and that sort of puts a damper on things because when we’re out, we kind of like to be incognito, if you know what I mean,” she said, noting they stopped traveling to one campsite because 20 or 30 people would greet them each year.
     

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  107. MarkinLA says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    I don’t know whether Trump has tried to sue people into silence
     
    What? He even publicly threatened Cruz with a defamation suit.

    Well Cruz was lying as always.

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  108. TangoMan says:
    @Mr. Anon
    It's possible that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run thinking that he probably wouldn't get the nomination or that, if he did, he would be an easy candidate for Hillary to beat. It's also possible that Bill doesn't want Hillary to get elected, because a.) he doesn't like her much, or b.) he simply doesn't want to be upstaged by his own wife.

    In any event, it is quite likely that old Slick Willy never anticipated the support that Trump would get. It's not like Bill Clinton has been a man of the people these last sixteen years since he left office. He is probably as out of touch with ordinary Americas as is most of the Washington / New York elite.

    He is probably as out of touch with ordinary Americas as is most of the Washington / New York elite.

    One of the things I like about Justice Thomas is that he takes annual RV vacations into the heartland of America and interacts with regular people.

    In fact, the Washington power couple spends each summer touring the United States in their 40-foot Prevost motorhome, she said. The justice and his wife have cruised through 27 states since buying their used recreation vehicle in 1999.

    “We have found it’s a wonderful life,” Ginni Thomas told National Public Radio from upstate New York on Wednesday.

    “We have been in dozens of Wal-Mart parking lots throughout the country,” she added. “It’s one of our favorite things to do if we’re not having to plug in and we’ve got enough electricity.”

    She said that their joy in traveling has only been slightly tempered by the overwhelming to-do they occasionally get when other campers identify the high court justice.

    “Clarence gets recognized every once in a while and that sort of puts a damper on things because when we’re out, we kind of like to be incognito, if you know what I mean,” she said, noting they stopped traveling to one campsite because 20 or 30 people would greet them each year.

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  109. @Jim Don Bob
    Dude, you are thinking of Dashiell Hammett.

    Dude, you are thinking of Dashiell Hammett.

    Well, duh. Ain’t too many Dashiells. Who else would Bennett be named after?

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  110. Mr. Anon says:

    “One of the things I like about Justice Thomas is that he takes annual RV vacations into the heartland of America and interacts with regular people.”

    Yes, that speaks well of him. I’ve always liked Thomas. He has, I think, shown a little too much deference to police power. But other than that, he seems to have good instincts.

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  111. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    I'd hardly be surprised if Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run. They had a phone conversation about a month before Trump announced his candidacy. Bill Clinton probably likes Trump on a golf buddy level more than he likes Jeb or Rubio or Walker or whomever, so why wouldn't he go along with Trump's usual egotism and tell him he's better than the other Republicans.

    Mr. Sailer,

    You have thus far ignored my comment (#76), but I do thank you for publishing it.

    As this website and your blog inevitably succumb to TrumpWatch 2016, I look forward to seeing how you (re)position yourself. In any event, I admire your work and will continue to cherish your efforts to require clear thinking and candor among other thoughtful people.

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  112. @Anonymous
    No, that's not his point. There are lots of anti-Semitic Trump supporters on Twitter who make anti-Semitic tweets directed towards Rosenberg.

    No, that’s not his point. There are lots of anti-Semitic Trump supporters on Twitter who make anti-Semitic tweets directed towards Rosenberg.

    So, what’s his point?

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