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From Rolling Stone:

How Should France Rebuild Notre Dame?
Much of the structure survived the blaze — but as rebuilding efforts move forward, the country will be left with a big question: What does the cathedral mean to 21st-century France?

By EJ DICKSON

… But for some people in France, Notre Dame has also served as a deep-seated symbol of resentment, a monument to a deeply flawed institution and an idealized Christian European France that arguably never existed in the first place. “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University. If nothing else, the cathedral has been viewed by some as a stodgy reminder of “the old city — the embodiment of the Paris of stone and faith — just as the Eiffel Tower exemplifies the Paris of modernity, joie de vivre and change,” Michael Kimmelmann wrote for the New York Times. …

Harwood, too, believes that it would be a mistake to try to recreate the edifice as it once stood, as LeDuc did more than 150 years ago. Any rebuilding should be a reflection not of an old France, or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France — but a reflection of the France of today, a France that is currently in the making. “The idea that you can recreate the building is naive. It is to repeat past errors, category errors of thought, and one has to imagine that if anything is done to the building it has to be an expression of what we want — the Catholics of France, the French people — want. What is an expression of who we are now? What does it represent, who is it for?,” he says.

In Rolling Stone’s defense, the article concludes on a less hate-driven note:

Hamburger, however, dismisses this idea as “preposterous.” Now that the full extent of the damage is being reckoned with — and is less than many initially feared — he sees no reason to not try to rebuild and preserve one of the few remaining wonders of medieval architecture. “It’s not as if in rebuilding the church one is necessarily building a monument to the glorification of medieval catholicism and aristocracy. It’s simply the case that the building has witnessed the entire history of France as a modern nation,” he says. “[You] can’t just erase history. It’s there, and it has to be dealt with critically.”

There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.

 
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  1. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Yes, but those boys you get wholesale an excellent price for to make the shmura matzah. Gut yontif!
    , @Lowe
    Hilarious.
    , @guest
    Uh, caring about your victims' aesthetic expirience of rape is something, I guess. Better than making them stare at modern art.
  2. Notre Dame shows the power of a low time preference. Generations of artisans worked on it, with most of them knowing that they would never live to see the fruition of their efforts. I can’t think of any comparable project now, unless you compare it to Elon Musk’s fantasy of colonizing and terriforming Mars.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Kylie
    The generations of artisans who worked on Notre Dame probably lacked the historical context in which to consider their labor. I would guess if they thought about it as anything other than a way to earn their bread, it was that it gave glory to God.

    The great landscape architects like André Le Nôtre and Capability Brown were more likely take the long view as a matter of course.
    , @Cortes
    https://www.espanolavanzado.com/significados/1525-huir-huida-hacia-adelante

    Flight to the future, more or less.

    Or in “Galaxy Quest” terms...

    Never give up. Never surrender.

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    The building doesn't need restoration as much as the congregation does. The country was overrun by bad ideas way before the hordes; in fact, it had to go that way. The church consists mainly of bodies and books. A building is secondary.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/04/17/it-is-not-only-notre-dame-burning-it-is-all-of-western-civilization/

    , @Reg Cæsar

    I can’t think of any comparable project now
     
    La Sagrada Família in Barcelona has been under construction for 137 years now, but is nearing structural completion. Decoration will follow, and it should all be done by 2032.
  3. LesNews: “Parisians gather to pray for the protection of the cathedral”

    Vibrant One: “ah, so now prayers in the street are authorized ??? [head exploding emoji]”

    Have a look at her Twitter feed. She likes Game of Thrones and American trash culture. I guess she goes in the “win” column for free market “conservatives” eh?

  4. This Rolling Stone article is being translated and shared widely in the French places I frequent online.

  5. ‘Finally’: Swedish Liberal Journo Roasted for Rejoicing Over Burning Notre Dame
    While most of his compatriots joined France in mourning the terrible loss of the 800-year-old cathedral, expressing sorrow and dismay, Expressen journalist and novelist Alex Schulman had a somewhat different approached to the tragedy and reacted with glee.
    https://sputniknews.com/viral/201904171074205958-swedish-journalist-notre-dame/

    Yeah, you guessed it: according to Wikipedia, that journalist’s father “was editor in chief for the Jewish magazine Menorah”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Schulman

    • Replies: @Alden
    Catholic religion was illegal in Sweden from about 1530 to 1870s. I’m surprised the Lutheran communist Muslim loving Swedes aren’t all rejoicing that the symbol of Catholicism European culture crusader against Muslim invasion and colonialism had a destructive fire.
  6. A rebuilt cathedral doesn’t truly represent France’s dead-eyed commitment to self-destruction. I suggest a really big mosque with two minarets. Or a series of stick and raffia huts covered in diversity murals.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    A rebuilt cathedral doesn’t truly represent France’s dead-eyed commitment to self-destruction. I suggest a really big mosque with two minarets. Or a series of stick and raffia huts covered in diversity murals.

     

    The ruling class of France has used monetary policy to buy off certain cohorts of the French population in order to push mass legal immigration and illegal immigration. Money-grubbing coward scum French frogs born before 1965 were bought off with debt and the gains from asset bubbles. French patriots born after 1965 will have to dislodge the current French ruling class and then deport the geezer globalizer French scum to Africa.

    The evil Bolshevik bankers who control the French ruling class are now in the last ditch with evil Rothschild banker whore Macron. The Yellow Vest Patriots are now talking about monetary policy and the banks in a way that immediately threatens the evil rodents in the French ruling class.

    The USA is under the control of the evil and disgusting Bolshevik bankers just the same as France is. Trump is a disgusting rat whore for evil bankers and money-grubbers such as Shelly Adelson and the Goldman Sachs rats.

    It's all about the electronics.

    Electronic propaganda; electronic money; electronic command and control of the nuclear weapons.

    Macron and Trump are evil globalizer whore scumbags.

    Macron and Trump both push mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and multiculturalism and financialization and globalization and anti-White race replacement.

    Macron and Trump are evil whores for rancid Bolshevik globalizer scum.
  7. And so it begins.

    Even Macron saying they will rebuild it “more beautiful than ever,” or some such thing, is missing the point. Some of the 800 year old craftsmanship is gone forever. The only right thing to do is to recreate it as faithfully as possible, in memory of what was.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    President Putin offered to send experts in restoration to assist the French with Notre Dame. They do have recent experience restoring cathedrals and churches torn down by Stalin.

    Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow:
    https://twitter.com/myrtille751/status/1118173114167451648
    , @CCZ
    Meanwhile, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said he will open the redesign of the Notre Dame cathedral's historic spire to "an international architecture competition."

    He said: 'The international competition will allow us to ask the question of whether we should even recreate the spire as it was conceived by Viollet-le-Duc.

    'Or whether, as is often the case during the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire that reflects the techniques and challenges of our era.'

    “Should we reconstruct an arrow? The same? Adapted to the techniques and challenges of our time? An international architecture competition for the reconstruction of the cathedral spire will be organized," French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe wrote on Twitter Wednesday.

    , @Mr. Anon
    This is what modernity prescribes for the celebration of a Christian holiday:

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/paris-art-installation.jpg

    A celebration of Poz - a "Christmas Tree" in the form of a butt-plug, by the degenerate artist (but I repeat myself) Paul McCarthy. Some good French catholics had the decency to vandalize this excrescence. From what I can tell, the French still have some spark of their own civilization left in them. Many French people resist the nihilism of globo-homo, much more so than do the people of Britain. Good for them.

    Vive la France.
    , @Thirdtwin
    It's going to look like the Obama Presidential Center, isn't it? Hell, it might even become the Obama Presidential Center. What better place for the Citizen of The World Light-worker than the City of Lights?
    , @Dieter Kief

    Some of the 800 year old craftsmanship is gone forever.
     
    There was very much of the very best craftsmanship going into this urinal - - - that's one of the deeper thoughts, that resonate with Duchamp's protest against the art world, which this urinal represents. Plus think of the civilizational progress, it stands for! Water flushed toilets especially are a major step forward for mankind.


    Bottom line: Don't underestimate Duchamps and DaDa - and don't underestimate the complexity of art history, and modernity in general.
  8. What will be the tipping point? How long can this idiocy go on?

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    What will be the tipping point? How long can this idiocy go on?

     

    Monetary policy is the weapon the anti-White Bolsheviks are using to buy off certain cohorts to keep the anti-White mass immigration and multicultural mayhem going.

    If you want to remove the non-Whites and non-Christians from European Christian nations, you end the monetary extremism, implode the asset bubbles and then you load up the barges.

    The answer to mass immigration is mass deportation.

    In the USA, 2.40 percent on the federal funds rate is the new normal. Yellen was talking about 4 percent. The previous normal was 6 percent.

    Mass Immigration and Monetary Policy

    Demography and Debt
  9. O/T: Twitter and SPLC no longer ‘safety partners’. The SPLC’s problems are seemingly more than just leadership issues?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-17/twitter-drops-splc-safety-partner-while-facebook-google-amazon-remain-silent

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    NPR finally mentioned SPLC's woes, in all but paid damage control style, exclusively in terms of an honorable institution burdened by worthless evil straight men who, after all, only, you know, built it.
  10. The French authorities determined after three hours of what must have been back-breaking labor that it absolutely definitely wasn’t arson. Why the hell didn’t we do that after the World Trade Center was destroyed?
    “I think there was a conspiracy–”
    “Oh do you? Because the government looked into it.”
    “The –”
    “For three whole hours.”
    “Oh, … that’s different. I mean, three hours, wow.”
    “By the way, kid — this theory of yours –”
    “Yeah, former theory.”
    “Be that as it may — how long did you spend cooking it up?”
    “Less than three hours!”
    Mentos: The Freshmaker.
    ——-
    OT new, excellent voice:

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    Sounds like just another country teenybopper. I miss Sammi Smith. https://youtu.be/HonH-w7mGlQ
  11. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

  12. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Del Toro appears to be a Spaniard or Spanish descended Latin American. Harwood appears to be a WASP. There’s plenty of Gothic architecture in Spain and England. I don’t think their views are motivated by some sort of English or Spanish francophobia. They are however both scholars of modern architecture, which is hostile to traditional forms and progressive. There were prominent Italian Fascist intellectuals who were Italian nationalists and chauvinists and at the same time were into Futurism and wanted to do things like raze Venice, fill in its canals with cement, and build a new city. Modern architecture has an iconoclastic tendency similar to older iconoclastic movements like Puritanism:

    • Replies: @MattinTX
    "There’s plenty of Gothic architecture in Spain and England."

    There are plenty of beautiful churches and old government buildings in Latin America, too, although many of them are Baroque. It's my understanding that old churches in Canada and the U.S. are usually some version of neo-Classical (although St. Patrick's Cathedral in NY is neo-Gothic) or more sparse colonial/vernacular styles. I'll admit that Notre Dame is/was special, but the Mexico City's Metropolitan Cathedral is impressive in its own right.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, the same scholars will go on and on about the mystique of Inca and Mayan ruins, that dot South America and Mexico, as wonderous marvels of ingenuity and engineering, but make no mention of the fact that they were basically slaughter platforms for human sacrifice. The Gothic Cathedrals pre date most, if not all of the Mayan and Inca ruins, but they never give praise to the engineering skills that invented the buttress and flying buttress that allow Cathedrals to have soaring arched ceilings and massive walls of leaded, stained glass. Or the bell towers that hold 13 or 15 ton bells. They denigrate their own heritage.
  13. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @Logan
    Art pieces stolen from colonies.

    Some perhaps. But ND was built hundreds of years before France really started acquiring colonies.
    , @guest
    "literally used for tourism"

    Plus, ya know, that whole worshipping God thing. What's that called again? Bapholicism?
  14. “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real of Harvard University.

    Oh, this is just getting started, people. Just getting started.

  15. We certainly wouldn’t be reading pseudo-think pieces on the meaning of a building and whether it really ought to be rebuilt as its original designers intended if it were a mosque or synagogue.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Ha! Can you imagine??!
    "We'd like to rebuild the Great Synagogue of Whatever to reflect us goyim!"
    "Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis???"
    , @International Jew
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque–Cathedral_of_Córdoba
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Ah, but what if it were Hagia Sophia?
    If that mosque were burned down, would there be calls to rebuild it as its original designers intended?
  16. How should we rebuild our fading, stagnant Holocaust museums?

    We must not re-build them to memorialize a racist, vainglorious, Jews-only Holocaust which never existed.

    Our new Holocaust museums must be full-spectrum, full-caust museums which actively and activist-ly reflect the lived holocaust experience of the many cultures, nations and societies which have been holocausted since the dawn of history. We must have Holocaust museums which unpack, deconstruct, and interrogate Jewish privilege and the Jewish presumption of primacy in suffering, as it were, by including all the other ‘causts; we must not have a hierarchy of ‘causts, but rather, one which reflects the rich multicultural tapestry-like rainbow salad-stew of lived Holocaust experience of ALL people who have been holocausted.

    For instance, all Holocaust museums in North America are, by definition, built on the sites of a previous Holocaust. To ignore these prior holocausts is to holocaust the very memory of a Holocaust. All of Israel, as attested in its own holy books, is built on the site of a Jewish holocausting of the Other, entire nations which were holocausted by the very beneficiaries of the Holocaust. The Holocaust itself was instigated by Germans fearful of the prior holocaust of 1917-1939, which future holocaust-victims-to-be had enacted on Russian and Ukrainian Christians, thus setting off a vicious ‘caust cycle. The Holocaust victims themselves swam in the blood of a prior Holocaust.

    We must eradicate Holocaust privilege, by first rebuilding all ‘caust centers and re dedicating them to a rich multicultural pan-holocaust understanding, a sort of global Supercaust, if you will.

    In the wise words of Doctor Maya Angelou, “When you get down to it, one platitude is as good as another. Now where’s my honorarium?”

  17. Let me see if I have this straight: a white European France is a France that never was. (Or more accurately, a France that must never ever be allowed to exist again….not even in the hearts and minds of the white people of France.)

    People are, I believe, starting to awaken to the hard truth that multiculturalism as an enforced policy is poisonous and can never result in anything but misery and the death of civilized nations. Now if only a few of them would further find themselves asking, when they are insistently told again and again that their own memories never really existed and anyway, even if they did, there’s no going back, ever, and they must never be allowed to try:

    Why? Who said so? YOU?

  18. What we are about to witness is how fast the SJW’s on the Left can go from tearing down statues of deplorables like Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee to some of the greatest (and politically incorrect) works of art. It may not take nearly as long as we thought. And not a moment to soon (electorally speaking).

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They make no distinction:

    https://www.redstate.com/diary/WrongthinkRadio/2019/04/02/university-oregon-stops-teaching-world-historywestern-civilization-white-supremacy/

    And they've already been in charge of History pedagogy for at least a generation. If you're going to do something, better get chopping.

    , @istevefan
    Wilkey you correctly show the progression of the progs from tearing down statues to now wanting to destroy significant art. However, that does not surprise me. Does it surprise anyone here? What surprises me is that WE, all sane people of many persuasions, are allowing this to happen and not lifting a finger (I included) to put an end to it.

    I am reminded of this great scene from Full Metal Jacket where the drill instructor interrogates the guy on fire watch as to why he was not putting an end to a violation of his watch. The below dialogue is specific to the movie, but one could easily rewrite it to fit our current times.

    "...Why is private Pyle out of his bunk after lights out?

    Why is private Pyle holding that weapon?

    Why aren't you stomping private Pyle's guts out?..."
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc2cPuwpqTg&t=2m42s

    Yes, why aren't we stomping on their guts as they proceed to destroy our civilization? In the end we are the adults in the room, and are ultimately responsible for not taking corrective action.
  19. Steve I think you are coming around to the proposition that White or Huwhyte people either dominate and oppress others or they themselves get dominated and oppressed if not exterminated.

    There is no middle ground.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Just take the 'White or Huwhyte' (what's with the 'hu') out of that and you've got human nature, I think.
    , @Lurker
    Separation is the middle ground, then most of these issues are avoided.
    , @JimB

    Steve I think you are coming around to the proposition that White or Huwhyte people either dominate and oppress others or they themselves get dominated and oppressed if not exterminated.
     
    Or that defensible borders around mono-ethnic nation states lead to a stable world order.
    , @AnotherDad

    Steve I think you are coming around to the proposition that White or Huwhyte people either dominate and oppress others or they themselves get dominated and oppressed if not exterminated.

    There is no middle ground.
     
    Separation.

    Ok Lurker beat me to it, but it is super important and bears endless repeating.

    Separate people in their separate nations, behind mutually agreed borders ... and you can have peace. As some wag once said "good fences make good neighbors".


    The entire minoritarian edifice crumbles when one points out simple logical conclusions: if we whites are so darn oppressive to you with our whiteness, then logically we should simply stay apart, no?
  20. Just try to imagine somebody making the same argument if the Grand Mosque or the Taj Mahal sustained that much damage.

    And these people aren’t even trying to make a coherent argument. If France’s Catholic history is just a fake, a historical con job, then why does the renovation work even have to reflect what French Catholics want? This drivel would actually make more sense if it was woker.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    And these people aren’t even trying to make a coherent argument.
     
    Why would they? Po-mo is about the impossibility of coherence.
  21. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://beliotblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/marcel-duchamp-urinal-r-mutt-fountain-1917.jpg

    And so it begins.

    Even Macron saying they will rebuild it "more beautiful than ever," or some such thing, is missing the point. Some of the 800 year old craftsmanship is gone forever. The only right thing to do is to recreate it as faithfully as possible, in memory of what was.

    President Putin offered to send experts in restoration to assist the French with Notre Dame. They do have recent experience restoring cathedrals and churches torn down by Stalin.

    Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow:

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I’m sure Russia is just filled to the brim with elites (sic) cringing at this offer.
    , @MarkinLA
    They also restored the Hermitage to repair the damage during the siege of Leningrad.
  22. They’re right of course. The Catholic church is run by a bunch of homosexual pedophiles. Notre Dame should reflect the new France, it should be rebuilt into a Synamosque, a new kind of interfaith edifice where Jews and Muslims can worship together in harmony. It’s a beautiful thing. Maybe Macron will even rename it Rothschild’s Notre Dame as a token of appreciation for his #1 benefactor.

  23. We’re dealing with nihilists. They’ve a yearning to destroy, betrayed by a feverish glint in their eyes and their pronouncements.

    History’s replete with the type. They are most often young, stupid, and lacking experience in life. But these days they’re not challenged and mature into elderly Sanders and Corbyns. They believe that they hold the scythe of history, but we can easily take it back from the old farts.

  24. “[You] can’t just erase history. It’s there, and it has to be dealt with critically.”

    Oh, ve can Mr. Hamburger, ve certainly can. If you wish, ve can erase you first so you won’t suffer the indignity of seeing it, or perhaps you’d rather support the Party, hmmm?

    • Replies: @Moses
    http://spiritualcleansing.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/He-who-controls-the-past-controls-the-future.-He-who-controls-the-present-controls-the-past..jpg

    "We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn-by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation-anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wished to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth century ideas about the laws of nature. We make the laws of nature."

    - Inner Party member and Thought Police chief Obrien speaking to protagonist Winston Smith in George Orwell's "1984"

    I re-read "1984" last year. It freaks me out how elements of the oppressive society portrayed in that book (e.g. "Thoughtcrime" and "Crimestop") increasingly are appearing in our own society.

    Orwell understood the darkest recesses of humanity.
  25. @WowJustWow
    Just try to imagine somebody making the same argument if the Grand Mosque or the Taj Mahal sustained that much damage.

    And these people aren’t even trying to make a coherent argument. If France’s Catholic history is just a fake, a historical con job, then why does the renovation work even have to reflect what French Catholics want? This drivel would actually make more sense if it was woker.

    And these people aren’t even trying to make a coherent argument.

    Why would they? Po-mo is about the impossibility of coherence.

  26. @Wilkey
    What we are about to witness is how fast the SJW's on the Left can go from tearing down statues of deplorables like Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee to some of the greatest (and politically incorrect) works of art. It may not take nearly as long as we thought. And not a moment to soon (electorally speaking).

    They make no distinction:

    https://www.redstate.com/diary/WrongthinkRadio/2019/04/02/university-oregon-stops-teaching-world-historywestern-civilization-white-supremacy/

    And they’ve already been in charge of History pedagogy for at least a generation. If you’re going to do something, better get chopping.

  27. Patricio del Real is an Expert, so pay attention to your Betters. He once “participated in the construction of informal structures in Havana, Cuba”.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
    Apparently, this Harvard wunderkind has never heard of Louis XVI's nor his famous dictum "One Law, One Faith, One King." I wonder if he considers Versailles to be of architectural notice?
    , @Ibound1
    He studies the architecture of Latin America. But oddly he lives in Cambridge. I wonder what the plumbing was like in his “informal structures” in Cuba. I suspect not quite up to the standard of his Massachusetts home.
  28. Professor Jeffrey Hamburger: “[You] can’t just erase history. It’s there, and it has to be dealt with critically.”

    American SJW’s: “Hold our craft beers.”

  29. Why not just remake Notre Dame as a mosque? Wouldn’t that be most appropriate for “modern” banlieue France? A few new spires and some bullhorn speakers ought to do it. The New York Times would certainly approve and make no complaints.

  30. “ or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France”

    What now?

  31. Anon[866] • Disclaimer says:

    There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.

    Like Sir Christopher Wren, architect of St. Paul’s? I guess he was ahead of his time?

    https://dianadarke.com/2019/04/16/the-heritage-of-notre-dame-less-european-than-people-think/

    What we today call the Gothic arch, prevalent in Notre Dame and in all the great cathedrals of Europe, was an architectural design first seen in the Ibn Tulun Mosque in Cairo and passed via Amalfi merchants to Sicily. With their advanced knowledge of geometry and the laws of statics Muslims developed both the horseshoe (also known as Moorish) arch (first seen in the Damascus Umayyad Mosque then further developed by the Umayyads in Andalusia in the Great Mosque of Cordoba) and the pointed arch to give more height than the classical arch. The first building to use them in Europe was the Abbey of Monte Cassino in 1071, financed by Amalfi merchants. It then moved north to the Church of Cluny which boasted 150 pointed arches in its aisles. The fashion quickly spread from these, two of the most influential churches in Europe, as this pointed ‘Gothic’ arch was stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and the Normans, so allowed the construction of bigger, taller, grander and more complex buildings like the great cathedrals of Europe.

    Other borrowings from Muslim designs, also to be found in Notre Dame, include ribbed vaulting (traced to the 8th century Abbasid Palace of Ukhaydar in Iraq), rose windows (first seen at the 8th century Umayyad palace of Khirbat Mafjar (Hisham’s Palace) in the West Bank near Jericho, and the spire (which collapsed so spectacularly on Notre Dame as the timber roof gave way beneath it). The first known spire is on the Umayyad Mosque of Damascus, built in the early 8th century.

    In England the first ever spire was on top of St Paul’s Cathedral in 1221. It was destroyed in the Great Fire of London then rebuilt in 1710 by Sir Christopher Wren, an avowed admirer of Muslim architecture who conducted an extensive comparative study of Gothic, Moorish and Ottoman styles. “The Goths,” he said, “were rather destroyers than builders: I think it should with more reason be called the Saracen (Arab Muslim) style.” The combination of dome and tower in his masterpiece of St Paul’s, together with the structure of the domes in the aisles, shows this strong Muslim influence, also clearly visible in Notre Dame.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    If the "Muslim" examples of these architectural forms date to circa 8th century (viz., very early in the Arab/Islamic expansion) then it is actually very likely that these "discoveries" were actually the work of the Syrian and Hellenic Christians who lived in places like Damascus when the Muslims conquered it. It's fairly well known that many of the early Islamic buildings were the work of recently-conquered Christian craftsmen. But I'm not a scholar of the period, simply looking at the historical chess position; if anyone has better information feel free to correct. It's known, however, that Syrians were much in demand as architects and builders in the ancient world, and I'm rather skeptical that the Arabs of that period knew more about geometry than the Greeks. IIRC, the great "Roman" architect Vitruvius was actually a Syrian.
    , @sailor1031
    AFAIK the horsehoe arch was first built into the Baptistry of St Jacob in Syria sometime in the fourth century CE. Predating islam by three centuries
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, weren't the Roman aqueducts and bridges built with arches ? A pointed arch would just be a stylistic variant of the Roman arch.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Emperor Justinian's architects would like to have a word or two with you.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    WRONG! This was all stolen from Wakanda, the cradle of civilization.
    , @Alden
    Christopher Wren like all the Anglicans of his day was a ferocious anti catholic who firmly believed Europe died in 490 AD and didn’t recover till 1517.

    He was also “ enlightened” part of the crew that began the process of denigrating everything European and discovering that everything worthwhile had been discovered and done in China India Arabia Turkey and later S America long before the primitive Christian Europeans did. England and Scotland also believed “ better Turk than Pope” being far west and north of Turkish invaders pirates and slave raiders.

  32. It’s not as if in rebuilding the church one is necessarily building a monument to the glorification of medieval catholicism and aristocracy.

    Well, actually, that is what Notre Dame and every other Gothic cathedral is, a monument to what was probably the peak of Western civilization. The equivalent today would be some abomination by Frank Gehry and his ilk. Which tells you all you need to know about the current state of civilization.

    Notre Dame should be left a ruin. That would be the appropriate symbol for our age.

    • Replies: @Change that Matters

    "The equivalent today would be some abomination by Ephraim Owen Goldberg and his ilk."
     
  33. There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.

    There an inccreasing number of people willing to rewrite history to remove all trace of whiteness from the records. They can’t compete, they can only blame and destroy white civilization. Haiti is the end game.

  34. I just assumed Notre Dame Cathedral would be something the whole world would have considered as a treasure. Yes, I expected a few hard core jihadi types to relish the destruction, or to even take credit for it. But I was surprised by the reaction. It was sort of like how I assumed everyone thought Mother Teresa was a good person, but then was shocked at how Christopher Hitchens tore her apart.

    Along those lines here is a sick tweet, since deleted, but someone put up a screen capture to save it for posterity.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    But Ari, rabbis sodomize boys too, but synagogues are so consistently screamingly ugly. Are pedo rabbis like some kind of sadist?
    , @Anonymous

    But I was surprised by the reaction.
     
    What did you witness of "the reaction"? Where? I am coming at this from having not consumed any media in the last few days. If you saw something that surprised you, are you sure it isn't just a handful of provocateurs?
    , @Twinkie
    What is wrong with people such as this? Even if not Catholic, do they not appreciate what is beautiful? Why are they so hate-filled that they relish in the destruction of that which is priceless?

    My “want-to-go-full-Francoist” shoots up to the roof when I read such mindless philistinism. Reminds me of the Taliban who dynamited the Bamian statue.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    This was discussed on Luke Ford’s show on Thursday. Kevin Michael Grace wasn’t amused and said there should be a social cost for this. Luke noted that Ari was an equal-opportunity offender, mocking everything including the Holocaust, and played an except of this, which was pretty funny.

    https://youtu.be/PWO7CMF5otY
    , @Anonymous
    He's made a lot more obnoxious and offensive material about other groups than this Catholic rape joke. You wouldn't protest material like the following sketch. You'd probably attack criticism of it as being politically correct and opposed to free speech or something:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvWJpEq5y-Q
    , @Bill
    Not deleted. Still there.
    , @Louis Renault
    That tweet is gone from Twitter but he's not. No surprise there.
  35. guess i’ll do it.

    (EJ Dickson)

  36. What is an expression of who we are now? What does it represent, who is it for?,” he says.

    Is it possible that perspective is not too stupid to be reasoned with? The questions that blockhead asks are worthy of Orwell’s 1984.

  37. “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,”

    What do they mean by this? Are they suggesting that the building was covered in too many statues and stained glass windows depicting Biblical passages?

    Do they realize that when constructed, the majority of people were illiterate. In addition Guttenberg had not invented his press. So even for those who could read, it was still hard to get a Bible. The statues, art, stain glassed windows, etc., were designed as visual aids to tell the stories of the Bible.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    The author finds "meaning" oppressive. He prefers nihilism.
    , @Desiderius
    That they're too stupid to stand on the shoulders of giants so they're afraid the giants will step on them.
    , @Wilkey
    Keep in mind that guy's not just some random Twitter troll. He's a professor at Harvard University, our nation's "finest" institution of higher learning.
  38. Hey; when I suggested elsewhere that Notre Dame should be rebuilt as something more in accord with the new France, I was joking.

    Life is starting to display an alarming tendency to take my sense of humor as a template.

  39. or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France

    Oh boy, talk about retconning — now France “never was” white, Christian or European.

    And what could be a more potent physical symbol of French moral defeat than burning the ancient heart of their country and replacing it with some multi-faith museum of tolerance — or whatever these people imagine is an appropriate symbol of the new country that used to be “France.”

    Maybe when the Muslims hit 51% of the population they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wermacht in 1940.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This won't get through but I insist on trying to correct this point: yes, they marched through it, they didn't declare it haram and destroy it. Hitler loved French architecture. I am not aware of especially compelling evidence that Muslims do.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wermacht in 1940

    The French set up an eternal flame underneath the Arc de Triomphe after World War I to honor their dead, over a million men. Out of respect for the war dead, Hitler had his troops march around the Arc de Triumph rather than under it.

    I doubt the Muslim conquerors will show them the same courtesy.

    , @Byrresheim
    Sounds like a plan.

    Like the muslims, the Wehrmacht had been invited.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Seems like Left is skipping ahead in the Ladder of Genocide.

    Hey Lefties! You're supposed to deny that your victims ever existed AFTER you genocide them, not while the genocide is still in progress!
    , @Cagey Beast
    Maybe when the Muslims hit 51% of the population they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wehrmacht in 1940.

    Giggle, giggle.

    Here's some archival footage of the victory parade they held when Whitey lost California:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmcIRTtqj6U


    Wow, I guess the Atlantic Ocean is kind of like America's Maginot Line. As we all know, John Wayne and Gen. Patton wisely had the Atlantic Ocean dug in order to protect against those Nazi anti-Semites and sex perverts. It worked (unlike France's faggoty Maginot Line) but the Mexicans simply adopted a modified Manstein Plan and came at you guys via the US-Mexican border. Sad!
  40. I wouldn’t worry about the future of Notre Dame: It will make a fabulous mosque and museum piece in the Islamic Republic of France, much like the Ayasofya (Hagia Sophia) in the once major Christian capital now known as Istanbul. I wonder what they will call Paris.

  41. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    Dickson on dick, son

    https://www.romper.com/p/i-circumcised-my-son-i-dont-regret-it-one-bit-56855

    I Circumcised My Son, & I Don’t Regret It One Bit

    By EJ Dickson
    May 11 2017

    …There was one thing, however, that my parents instilled in me that I knew I wanted to instill in Sol: a respect for and awareness of the traditions of the Jewish faith that he had been lucky (or unlucky, depending on how you look at it) enough to have been born into. Because Jews have been driven out of other people’s countries for millennia, we’re more aware than most of the role history plays in instructing us how to prevent future calamity; the mantra “never again” has been rammed into our skulls since birth. And while I used to roll my eyes at my grandpa’s’ admonitions to not do things like eat bacon or marry a goy or else I’d let Hitler win again, recent world events have forced me to question whether he was actually wrong.

    In a world where anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are on the rise, where synagogues and mosques are regularly being sprayed with slurs and swastikas, where major political candidates spouting hateful invective is not just acceptable, but encouraged, I’m starting to think that it is more important than ever for my son to know who he is, and where he comes from. I want him to look between his legs and know that he is a member of the Jewish faith, and that by virtue of his birthright, he will forever be permanently marked as different — not better, not special, not “chosen,” but different — and that there are many people around the world who will resent him for this difference.

    • Replies: @sailor1031
    This guy does know that muslims are also circumcised I suppose? That's how hindus could tell them apart during the great partition massacres.
    , @bored identity



    " I want him to look between his legs and know that he is a member of the Jewish faith, and that by virtue of his birthright, he will forever be permanently marked as different — not better, not special, not “chosen,” but different — and that there are many people around the world who will resent him for this difference."

     

    To be filed under :"Oy Vey, Hipster Talmudskulduggery is Here to Stay"


    At least now we all know, as bored identity strongly believed, the real reason behind Colonel Natalya Pritzker's decision to put the rest of her last name on the chopping block, while Irgun-epigen driven Rahm opted just for a classic bris(K) mutilation-followed by only a sliver of his middle finger:



    https://cdn.patch.com/users/37693/2013/08/T800x600/49cd908dfca3fe82ba08b575feca676c.jpg
    , @bored identity



    " I want him to look between his legs and know that he is a member of the Jewish faith, and that by virtue of his birthright, he will forever be permanently marked as different — not better, not special, not “chosen,” but different — and that there are many people around the world who will resent him for this difference."

     

    To be filed under :"Oy Vey, Hipster Talmudskulduggery is Here to Stay"


    At least now we all know, as bored identity strongly believed, the real reason behind Colonel Natalya Pritzker's decision to put the rest of her last name on the chopping block, while Irgun-epigen driven Rahm opted just for a classic bris(K) mutilation-followed by only a sliver of his middle finger:

    https://www.army.mil/e2/c/images/2011/06/15/200983/original.jpg


    http://www.youcanbeanything.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/enhanced-buzz-17519-1377286625-8-350x320.jpg


    https://patch.com/img/cdn/users/37693/2013/08/T800x600/49cd908dfca3fe82ba08b575feca676c.jpg?width=725


    https://cdn.patch.com/users/37693/2013/08/T800x600/49cd908dfca3fe82ba08b575feca676c.jpg
    , @J.Ross
    >and I didn't regret it one bit
    Well, no kidding, your genitalia are still intact.
  42. @Wilkey
    What we are about to witness is how fast the SJW's on the Left can go from tearing down statues of deplorables like Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee to some of the greatest (and politically incorrect) works of art. It may not take nearly as long as we thought. And not a moment to soon (electorally speaking).

    Wilkey you correctly show the progression of the progs from tearing down statues to now wanting to destroy significant art. However, that does not surprise me. Does it surprise anyone here? What surprises me is that WE, all sane people of many persuasions, are allowing this to happen and not lifting a finger (I included) to put an end to it.

    I am reminded of this great scene from Full Metal Jacket where the drill instructor interrogates the guy on fire watch as to why he was not putting an end to a violation of his watch. The below dialogue is specific to the movie, but one could easily rewrite it to fit our current times.

    “…Why is private Pyle out of his bunk after lights out?

    Why is private Pyle holding that weapon?

    Why aren’t you stomping private Pyle’s guts out?…”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc2cPuwpqTg&t=2m42s

    Yes, why aren’t we stomping on their guts as they proceed to destroy our civilization? In the end we are the adults in the room, and are ultimately responsible for not taking corrective action.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    > In the end we are the adults in the room, and are ultimately responsible for not taking corrective action.<

    In Macron's France, what exactly should the patriotic French do?
    , @Dtbb
    I have said it before. Total white man strike. Show who has the real power. Should be easy to organize, even "spontaneously".
    , @Mr McKenna
    Well, for one thing, any of us who even tries will immediately lose his home, his family, his loved ones and his freedom--if not his life. Then, anything he has done will be instantly and universally re-interpreted by the MSM as an assault upon all that is good and fair. But seriously, I'm open to suggestions. What form should the protest take, exactly? You've mentioned physical violence upon ill-defined malefactors. What else?
    , @stillCARealist
    Aren't the Yellow Vests still protesting? Are they still vandalizing traffic cameras? That to me feels like a reaction to the loss of traditional France.
  43. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    One of the remarkable things about living in Japan is that you can walk everywhere without fear; at least a guy can. I cannot think of a single area where I would feel uncomfortable walking. I know that women are more vulnerable, but in my experience, this results in their being more nervous than guys are when they are walking at night, not in their choosing not to walk anywhere at night.

    Tokyo’s trains stop running from central Tokyo out to the suburbs at a certain time; the last train is usually some time after midnight. People who miss their trains may take a taxi, but it’s not that unusual, even for women, to just walk in the direction of their home in the wee hours of the night along the train tracks. Alternately, non-bar hoppers sometimes just wait for the first train at 5:00 a.m. or so by hanging out on the street, and this includes women.

    I can’t remember being afraid to walk anywhere as a kid, but of course there were other communities in Los Angeles I didn’t know about. In my neighborhood all the neighbors knew each other and each other’s kids, and people noticed people who didn’t belong, and I supposed “profiled” those people. We had an LAPD cop living on the block if we had questions. In Japan, despite the overall safety’s being greater than in Los Angeles, neighbors keep each other at more of a distance, and don’t necessarily know most of their neighbors. This works in physically packed-together spaces to preserve some privacy, but remarkably it doesn’t seem to adversely affect safety.

    • Replies: @Fun
    There is a Japanese TV show called My First Errand (in English), based on small children doing their first errands alone. This strikes me as cultural impossibility in the U.S.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k5XTZy0rA

    , @Anonymous
    Young women often had curfews though. And their dating lives were generally supervised to an extent by parents. Women were often not allowed in men's dorms, there wasn't the sort of casual dating and cohabitation we have today, etc.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, Born in 1946, and I remember hitch hiking to the beaches on the Canadian shores of Lake Erie. Driver, would let you out on the American side of the Peace Bridge, we would check through Customs,walk across the bridge and begin hitching again. My mom used to send me or my brother to our local Loblaws Store, a bus ride away, no problem. Big difference? Cops on foot patrol or on Harley trikes, seemed so damned secure.
  44. Many today resent Notre Dame because it’s a reminder that we once had a great civilisation. A civilisation that offered more than celebrity worship, shopping and unlimited porn.

    Many today resent Notre Dame because it’s a reminder that we once had a Christian civilisation, and that Christianity once meant more than social justice and goodfeelz.

    Many today resent Notre Dame because it’s a reminder that we once had hope and a belief in the future. Cathedrals could take many generations to build. You don’t start to build a cathedral with having confidence in the future.

    Many today resent Notre Dame because it’s a reminder that there was a time when western civilisation wasn’t an oxymoron.

  45. How soon until Charles Martel is portrayed as a villain, for stopping the immigration of Muslims into France in the 8th Century? I bet within 5 years you will see an article in The NY Times: “Martel? A Reassessment of a Problematic Figure.”

  46. I’m sorry but I just have no patience with this post modern nonsense. I believe in epistemic certainty and the reality of an external world, one I hold in common with others in my space-time frame.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  47. @istevefan
    I just assumed Notre Dame Cathedral would be something the whole world would have considered as a treasure. Yes, I expected a few hard core jihadi types to relish the destruction, or to even take credit for it. But I was surprised by the reaction. It was sort of like how I assumed everyone thought Mother Teresa was a good person, but then was shocked at how Christopher Hitchens tore her apart.

    Along those lines here is a sick tweet, since deleted, but someone put up a screen capture to save it for posterity.

    https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1118565961592975362

    But Ari, rabbis sodomize boys too, but synagogues are so consistently screamingly ugly. Are pedo rabbis like some kind of sadist?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    J, Is there a really attractive Synagogue ? Buffalo has Temple Beth Zion, a modern piece of architecture, with stained glass windows, but it looks like an inverted Jello mold, truely.
  48. @istevefan
    Wilkey you correctly show the progression of the progs from tearing down statues to now wanting to destroy significant art. However, that does not surprise me. Does it surprise anyone here? What surprises me is that WE, all sane people of many persuasions, are allowing this to happen and not lifting a finger (I included) to put an end to it.

    I am reminded of this great scene from Full Metal Jacket where the drill instructor interrogates the guy on fire watch as to why he was not putting an end to a violation of his watch. The below dialogue is specific to the movie, but one could easily rewrite it to fit our current times.

    "...Why is private Pyle out of his bunk after lights out?

    Why is private Pyle holding that weapon?

    Why aren't you stomping private Pyle's guts out?..."
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc2cPuwpqTg&t=2m42s

    Yes, why aren't we stomping on their guts as they proceed to destroy our civilization? In the end we are the adults in the room, and are ultimately responsible for not taking corrective action.

    > In the end we are the adults in the room, and are ultimately responsible for not taking corrective action.<

    In Macron's France, what exactly should the patriotic French do?

  49. @Hypnotoad666

    or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France
     
    Oh boy, talk about retconning -- now France "never was" white, Christian or European.

    And what could be a more potent physical symbol of French moral defeat than burning the ancient heart of their country and replacing it with some multi-faith museum of tolerance -- or whatever these people imagine is an appropriate symbol of the new country that used to be "France."

    Maybe when the Muslims hit 51% of the population they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wermacht in 1940.

    This won’t get through but I insist on trying to correct this point: yes, they marched through it, they didn’t declare it haram and destroy it. Hitler loved French architecture. I am not aware of especially compelling evidence that Muslims do.

  50. @Arclight
    We certainly wouldn't be reading pseudo-think pieces on the meaning of a building and whether it really ought to be rebuilt as its original designers intended if it were a mosque or synagogue.

    Ha! Can you imagine??!
    “We’d like to rebuild the Great Synagogue of Whatever to reflect us goyim!”
    “Whatchoo talkin’ ’bout Willis???”

  51. Who owns Notre Dame, the building and the land?

    The answer to that question is the answer to how it should be rebuilt. Unless France wants to take it under eminent domain.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The French government owns Notre Dame under the 1905 laicization law.
  52. It is not just Catholicism or French history. It is art history, which is the history of all of humanity, proving what humans were capable of creating, artistically speaking, even over 800 years ago. Imagine the arrogance of erasing any part of what evolved from sanguine and charcoal finger painting on cave walls to the intricate craftsmanship of highly-skilled Medieval French artisans, the refined designs of master architects and the engineering prowess that humans developed in such a short archeological time span. If the French let the shortsighted trendiness of academics and intellectuals trying to impress their peers override history, it will just reflect their shallowness and possibly the reversal of human progress. We’re going back to the cave walls one step at a time. We may as well start with a best-in-class example of what humans can produce, like Notre Dame.

  53. @istevefan

    “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,”
     
    What do they mean by this? Are they suggesting that the building was covered in too many statues and stained glass windows depicting Biblical passages?

    Do they realize that when constructed, the majority of people were illiterate. In addition Guttenberg had not invented his press. So even for those who could read, it was still hard to get a Bible. The statues, art, stain glassed windows, etc., were designed as visual aids to tell the stories of the Bible.

    The author finds “meaning” oppressive. He prefers nihilism.

  54. @Hypnotoad666

    or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France
     
    Oh boy, talk about retconning -- now France "never was" white, Christian or European.

    And what could be a more potent physical symbol of French moral defeat than burning the ancient heart of their country and replacing it with some multi-faith museum of tolerance -- or whatever these people imagine is an appropriate symbol of the new country that used to be "France."

    Maybe when the Muslims hit 51% of the population they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wermacht in 1940.

    they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wermacht in 1940

    The French set up an eternal flame underneath the Arc de Triomphe after World War I to honor their dead, over a million men. Out of respect for the war dead, Hitler had his troops march around the Arc de Triumph rather than under it.

    I doubt the Muslim conquerors will show them the same courtesy.

    • Replies: @Byrresheim

    I doubt the Muslim conquerors will show them the same courtesy.
     
    And why should they.
  55. “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.

    Imagine if someone said that about the burning of a Holocaust museum.

  56. @istevefan

    “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,”
     
    What do they mean by this? Are they suggesting that the building was covered in too many statues and stained glass windows depicting Biblical passages?

    Do they realize that when constructed, the majority of people were illiterate. In addition Guttenberg had not invented his press. So even for those who could read, it was still hard to get a Bible. The statues, art, stain glassed windows, etc., were designed as visual aids to tell the stories of the Bible.

    That they’re too stupid to stand on the shoulders of giants so they’re afraid the giants will step on them.

  57. Most anti-white racism is basically resentment from non-white people towards the achievements (scientific, artistic, cultural) of Europeans and its descendants. The less your own people has achieved the more resentful you are toward whites (that’s why African Americans tend to be more resentful toward whites than Asians Americans)

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Andy wrote:

    Most anti-white racism is basically resentment from non-white people towards the achievements (scientific, artistic, cultural) of Europeans and its descendants.
     
    No, not at all: most anti-white racism is a tool used by powerful and evil whites as a tool to control and manipulate non-whites.

    It's all a scam used by the ruling elite.

    Look at Creepy Joe Biden going around apologizing for being a white male. Of course, Creepy Joe is so obviously insincere and repellent that I doubt he will convince many non-whites.

    , @Aryan Racist
    True. A lot of black hate is self hate.
  58. @Desiderius

    “[You] can’t just erase history. It’s there, and it has to be dealt with critically.”
     
    Oh, ve can Mr. Hamburger, ve certainly can. If you wish, ve can erase you first so you won't suffer the indignity of seeing it, or perhaps you'd rather support the Party, hmmm?

    “We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn-by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation-anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wished to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth century ideas about the laws of nature. We make the laws of nature.”

    – Inner Party member and Thought Police chief Obrien speaking to protagonist Winston Smith in George Orwell’s “1984”

    I re-read “1984” last year. It freaks me out how elements of the oppressive society portrayed in that book (e.g. “Thoughtcrime” and “Crimestop”) increasingly are appearing in our own society.

    Orwell understood the darkest recesses of humanity.

  59. But they’re catching up:

  60. @Hypnotoad666

    or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France
     
    Oh boy, talk about retconning -- now France "never was" white, Christian or European.

    And what could be a more potent physical symbol of French moral defeat than burning the ancient heart of their country and replacing it with some multi-faith museum of tolerance -- or whatever these people imagine is an appropriate symbol of the new country that used to be "France."

    Maybe when the Muslims hit 51% of the population they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wermacht in 1940.

    Sounds like a plan.

    Like the muslims, the Wehrmacht had been invited.

  61. One minor change they could make, maybe they could plastinate Hillary, Pelosi, Merkel, Macron, May, et. al. and use them to replace any of the destroyed gargoyles.

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @lavoisier

    One minor change they could make, maybe they could plastinate Hillary, Pelosi, Merkel, Macron, May, et. al. and use them to replace any of the destroyed gargoyles.
     
    The only problem with this suggestion is that gargoyles are said to protect against evil forces; the people you mention not only welcome evil forces, they are evil incarnate.

    But then in the new design of an anti-white Notre Dame perhaps using the people you mention as the new modern gargoyles--true champions of evil--would be most appropriate!

  62. @Harry Baldwin
    they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wermacht in 1940

    The French set up an eternal flame underneath the Arc de Triomphe after World War I to honor their dead, over a million men. Out of respect for the war dead, Hitler had his troops march around the Arc de Triumph rather than under it.

    I doubt the Muslim conquerors will show them the same courtesy.

    I doubt the Muslim conquerors will show them the same courtesy.

    And why should they.

  63. @istevefan
    Wilkey you correctly show the progression of the progs from tearing down statues to now wanting to destroy significant art. However, that does not surprise me. Does it surprise anyone here? What surprises me is that WE, all sane people of many persuasions, are allowing this to happen and not lifting a finger (I included) to put an end to it.

    I am reminded of this great scene from Full Metal Jacket where the drill instructor interrogates the guy on fire watch as to why he was not putting an end to a violation of his watch. The below dialogue is specific to the movie, but one could easily rewrite it to fit our current times.

    "...Why is private Pyle out of his bunk after lights out?

    Why is private Pyle holding that weapon?

    Why aren't you stomping private Pyle's guts out?..."
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc2cPuwpqTg&t=2m42s

    Yes, why aren't we stomping on their guts as they proceed to destroy our civilization? In the end we are the adults in the room, and are ultimately responsible for not taking corrective action.

    I have said it before. Total white man strike. Show who has the real power. Should be easy to organize, even “spontaneously”.

    • Agree: sayless, istevefan
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    Ayn Rand said it, too. Going Galt could be the white man's equivalent to Gandhi's passive resistance.
    , @Macumazahn
    Maybe some of you folks who participate in "social media" can get it started.
    #WhiteManStrike66
    On 6/6/2019 none of us White men do any work of any kind.
    Take a vacation day or call in sick if you have to, but no White man does any work that day. Someone asks you to do something, anything at all, give them the finger - or simply ignore them. Do something else, anything else - play a round of golf, tinker with your motorcycle, have a barbecue, get drunk with your friends, whatever - but no productive work gets done at all. No planes get piloted. No buses get driven. No classes get taught. No fires get fought. The honey-do list gets flushed down the toilet, and if the toilet overflows, that's just too damn bad. Lots of blacks will support a one-day suspension of White law-enforcement - until they discover exactly what the law has been protecting them from for the last 150 years.
    Let the world turn without us White men for just one day, and every damned one of them will be groveling at our feet.
    #WhiteManStrike66
    , @dfordoom

    Total white man strike. Show who has the real power. Should be easy to organize, even “spontaneously”.
     
    For that to happen white men would have to have an identity as white men. But they don't. They're just individuals. On the whole they don't give a damn about their own society.

    And "conservative" white men aren't going to do it because they're too gutless and too selfish and too short-sighted. And too scared. But mostly just too selfish and too craven.

    So it ain't gonna happen.

    For it to work you'd need millions of men to participate. What you'll actually get will be a few hundred keyboard warriors on the internet talking about it, and maybe a few dozen who'll do it. No-one will even notice.
  64. @Arclight
    We certainly wouldn't be reading pseudo-think pieces on the meaning of a building and whether it really ought to be rebuilt as its original designers intended if it were a mosque or synagogue.
    • Disagree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @snorlax
    Are there any differences between 1236 and 2019? Nope, none.
  65. “But for some people in France, Notre Dame has also served as a deep-seated symbol of resentment, a monument to a deeply flawed institution and an idealized Christian European France that arguably never existed in the first place. “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.”

    Patricio del Real needs to grease his head and look for his appendix.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    That is as big a pile of rubbish and pseudo-intellectual nonsense as I've ever heard. Why do we indulge these people by paying the least bit of attention to them? They are the equivalent of little children throwing tantrums and, rather than being given a swift swat on the behind and told to take a time-out in the corner, they are instead earnestly indulged and encouraged to continue in their childish tantrums. However, I suppose we have to pay attention to them, because they may be more like sulky teenagers throwing tantrums than five-year-olds, and therefore potentially dangerous.
  66. fyi

    >On December 5, 2012, the US House of Representatives passed legislation approved earlier by the US Senate removing the word “lunatic” from all federal laws in the United States.[1] President Barack Obama signed this legislation into law on December 28, 2012.[6]<

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunatic

    You get more of what you subsided.

  67. Is this news or it is Chicago?
    “Car2go app hacked in Chicago, service paused
    As many as 100 Mercedes or high-end cars are missing or stolen, according to one report.”

    https://www.chicagobusiness.com/transportation/car2go-app-hacked-chicago-service-paused

    Hacked, or a recent hire arranged to have his friends help him out with a transition plan?
    It is also claimed that flash mobs (of a racial consistency which we will not declare) were wandering around and starting fights, particularly on the Magnificent Mile, however that seems to have died down now.

    https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/26296

    • Replies: @Alden
    I just skimmed through this Passover week's edition of the LA Jewish Journal. there's a huge full page ad urging Jews to boycott German cars because Germany has not yet criminalized Hebzollah. German Jews have the money. German muslims and their ultra liberla German friends have the votes who will win?

    what hypocrisy! Even 60 years ago the Jews moved away from the Cadallic Jew canoes to Mercedes and BMWs. Drive past any jewish community center or school at pick up drop off time, nothing but BMWs and Mercedes. Never happen until the average Jew can afford a maserati ferrari or rolls royce.
  68. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://beliotblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/marcel-duchamp-urinal-r-mutt-fountain-1917.jpg

    And so it begins.

    Even Macron saying they will rebuild it "more beautiful than ever," or some such thing, is missing the point. Some of the 800 year old craftsmanship is gone forever. The only right thing to do is to recreate it as faithfully as possible, in memory of what was.

    Meanwhile, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said he will open the redesign of the Notre Dame cathedral’s historic spire to “an international architecture competition.”

    He said: ‘The international competition will allow us to ask the question of whether we should even recreate the spire as it was conceived by Viollet-le-Duc.

    ‘Or whether, as is often the case during the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire that reflects the techniques and challenges of our era.’

    “Should we reconstruct an arrow? The same? Adapted to the techniques and challenges of our time? An international architecture competition for the reconstruction of the cathedral spire will be organized,” French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe wrote on Twitter Wednesday.

    • Replies: @peterike
    ‘Or whether, as is often the case during the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire that reflects the techniques and challenges of our era.’

    Yeah, maybe a giant middle finger.
    , @Bill Jones
    This might be the time for the Yellow Vests to take both names and appropriate action against any and all who want it rebuilt as anything other than a Christian, Catholic Church.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    A minaret, natch. The 'bayonet of Islam.'
  69. @istevefan
    Wilkey you correctly show the progression of the progs from tearing down statues to now wanting to destroy significant art. However, that does not surprise me. Does it surprise anyone here? What surprises me is that WE, all sane people of many persuasions, are allowing this to happen and not lifting a finger (I included) to put an end to it.

    I am reminded of this great scene from Full Metal Jacket where the drill instructor interrogates the guy on fire watch as to why he was not putting an end to a violation of his watch. The below dialogue is specific to the movie, but one could easily rewrite it to fit our current times.

    "...Why is private Pyle out of his bunk after lights out?

    Why is private Pyle holding that weapon?

    Why aren't you stomping private Pyle's guts out?..."
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc2cPuwpqTg&t=2m42s

    Yes, why aren't we stomping on their guts as they proceed to destroy our civilization? In the end we are the adults in the room, and are ultimately responsible for not taking corrective action.

    Well, for one thing, any of us who even tries will immediately lose his home, his family, his loved ones and his freedom–if not his life. Then, anything he has done will be instantly and universally re-interpreted by the MSM as an assault upon all that is good and fair. But seriously, I’m open to suggestions. What form should the protest take, exactly? You’ve mentioned physical violence upon ill-defined malefactors. What else?

    • Replies: @istevefan

    What form should the protest take, exactly?
     
    On a previous post a commenter provided me with a link to an article, 'The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority', by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.


    The best example I know that gives insights into the functioning of a complex system is with the following situation. It suffices for an intransigent minority –a certain type of intransigent minorities –to reach a minutely small level, say three or four percent of the total population, for the entire population to have to submit to their preferences. Further, an optical illusion comes with the dominance of the minority: a naive observer would be under the impression that the choices and preferences are those of the majority. If it seems absurd, it is because our scientific intuitions aren’t calibrated for that (fughedabout scientific and academic intuitions and snap judgments; they don’t work and your standard intellectualization fails with complex systems, though not your grandmothers’ wisdom
     
    He goes on to give examples of how small, intolerant minorities who hold to their views get the rest of society to go along. Is this not what we are seeing with the SJWs?

    Therefore, we need to stop thinking of ourselves as just individuals and be prepared to form such intolerant groups of our own. Taleb shows it only takes an intransigent minority of 3 to 4 percent to get their way. I recall from history class that only 10 percent of the colonialists ever actively supported the Revolution.

    Most people don't want to take to the streets for the fears you mentioned. Which are legitimate. However, if you refuse to engage economically with certain corporations, people, institutions, etc., you can accomplish you goals in a more passive and anonymous manner with little risk to those items you mentioned.

    If 3 to 4 percent can force their way on society, why can't we too? After all we easily represent 25% and probably a much high figure given how most are afraid to speak their mind. We have the power economically in our hands to do what we want to do. But right now we are not organized, and too often we are being distracted and led astray by those who pretend to be on our side.

    Hell we have seen this where the leaders of the GOP get in front of something like the Tea Party only to divert the righteous anger of those voters into something else. Or how our leadership used our votes over immigration to come to power so that they could pass tax cuts and continue with the invade-the-world-invite-the-world junk so many despise.

    One thing I am taking away from the Notre Dame catastrophe is that it did help separate those who truly are on our side from the pretenders who say they are on our side, but end up diverting us. For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.

    To sum up. I think Taleb is onto something about an intolerant minority getting its way. We have the numbers and the economic clout to do as he suggests. We just lack the group cohesion.
    , @Wilkey
    Well, for one thing, any of us who even tries will immediately lose his home, his family, his loved ones and his freedom–if not his life.

    A few years ago they had this thing called "A Day Without a Mexican." Don't think anyone really missed them. But if white conservatives all had a sick out things would go to hell pretty fast.
  70. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    I just assumed Notre Dame Cathedral would be something the whole world would have considered as a treasure. Yes, I expected a few hard core jihadi types to relish the destruction, or to even take credit for it. But I was surprised by the reaction. It was sort of like how I assumed everyone thought Mother Teresa was a good person, but then was shocked at how Christopher Hitchens tore her apart.

    Along those lines here is a sick tweet, since deleted, but someone put up a screen capture to save it for posterity.

    https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1118565961592975362

    But I was surprised by the reaction.

    What did you witness of “the reaction”? Where? I am coming at this from having not consumed any media in the last few days. If you saw something that surprised you, are you sure it isn’t just a handful of provocateurs?

  71. Many Today Resent Notre Dame Because Their Ancestors Didn’t Build Anything.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Many Today Resent Notre Dame Because Their Ancestors Couldn't Build Anything.
  72. Any rebuilding should be a reflection not of an old France, or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France — but a reflection of the France of today, a France that is currently in the making.

    This is just a straight-up lie – a shameless retconning of history. There certainly was a non-secular, white European France, for most of the last two millenia. There was also a secular white European France for the last couple of centuries. It is still mostly white and European. The non-white, non-European France the author speaks of is the fond hope of those who wish to see European civilization destroyed and replaced.

  73. @Hypnotoad666

    or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France
     
    Oh boy, talk about retconning -- now France "never was" white, Christian or European.

    And what could be a more potent physical symbol of French moral defeat than burning the ancient heart of their country and replacing it with some multi-faith museum of tolerance -- or whatever these people imagine is an appropriate symbol of the new country that used to be "France."

    Maybe when the Muslims hit 51% of the population they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wermacht in 1940.

    Seems like Left is skipping ahead in the Ladder of Genocide.

    Hey Lefties! You’re supposed to deny that your victims ever existed AFTER you genocide them, not while the genocide is still in progress!

    • Replies: @tyrone
    O come on ! these are the people that are going to make communism finally work ……at last.Just make sure you have lots of popcorn in your bunker.
  74. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone know what happened to Second City Bureaucrat? (Twitter handle @citybureaucrat)

    • Replies: @Moses
    I can only assume Second City Bureaucrat got the memory hole treatment from our betters at Twitter.

    Too bad. Loved his posts.

  75. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    “New Jersey man” hauls a coupld of gasoline-filled jerrycans and a lighter into St. Patrick’s Cathedral and is arrested.

    I guess I’ll have to pop over to the Daily Mail to learn more about “New Jersey man.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/nyregion/st-patricks-cathedral-arrest.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/18/man-custody-after-trying-enter-st-patricks-cathedral-with-two-containers-gasoline-police-say/

    I have to say, it’s really bigoted the way that newspapers go to so much trouble to identify the sex of criminal suspects. What difference does that make?

    Sure enough, the Daily Mail has the guy’s name at least:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6934767/New-Jersey-man-37-caught-walking-New-Yorks-St-Patricks-Cathedral-gas-cans.html

    White guy:

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/marc-lamparello/

    Without the Daily Mail and Heavy, what would we do?

    An academic with mental problems.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Church arson is a thing.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Poor guy. He seems well liked by his students at Brooklyn College, one of undergraduate colleges of the City University in New York (CUNY) system.

    https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=2178550

    , @El Dato

    Lamparello is a Boston College-educated philosophy professor who has been involved in the Catholic Church in the past. According to a bio for a recently published book he wrote, “A native of New Jersey, Marc Lamparello studied philosophy at Boston College, graduating Phi Beta Kappa in 2004. Marc has been heavily engaged in the study of philosophy from an early age, and is currently working on two other book-length projects, including a witty dialogue on arguments for and against the existence of God, and a series of essays on the epistemology of practical motivation.”
     

    An academic with mental problems.
     
    You see, once upon a time "philosopher" were people with a following at the center of politics who had something to say that stayed relevant across generations, possibly across millenia (No, Sartre doesn't count). Nowadays they are stowaways on the college-industrial complex writing books of little importance.

    heavily engaged in the study of philosophy from an early age
     
    Hmmm ... I remember my high school bullshit sessions. In retrospect, embarrassing.

    For my philosophy fix, I got to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and treat myself to treatises on logic and mathematics and epistemology. That's enough.
    , @Cagey Beast
    From the Daily Mail:

    The suspect has an active online presence and, in 2018, he criticized a news story about French people disliking President Donald Trump more than Russian President Vladimir Putin, Chinese President Xi Jinping and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    He wrote, 'All I know is, if the French dislike us for something, we must be doing something right. They think they're so much more sophisticated and culturally alluring than us. But secretly, they're jealous of us and want to be us. Never forget that, fellow Americans.'
     
    The guy who likely planned to light himself on fire in NYC's St. Patrick's Cathedral had a bee in his bonnet over the haughty French? This fits a pattern.

    In Argentina, back in the middle of the last century, they said "things might be bad here but at least we're better off than the rest of Europe". I wonder if a segment of White Americans tell themselves the same thing now? Being a White guy in academia in New Jersey must be far from delightful. Does telling oneself "at least we're better off than France!" help take off some of the edge? Probably for a while it does.
  76. Unless, one of these days, Tdzak D’s wishful thinking finally summons that Pierrot le Fou for accidentally putting a cornerstone of the occidental universe on globally televised bonfire, bored identity will continue to be totally unfazed by y’all Accmed’s Spread Knife-Wielding commenters:

  77. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://beliotblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/marcel-duchamp-urinal-r-mutt-fountain-1917.jpg

    And so it begins.

    Even Macron saying they will rebuild it "more beautiful than ever," or some such thing, is missing the point. Some of the 800 year old craftsmanship is gone forever. The only right thing to do is to recreate it as faithfully as possible, in memory of what was.

    This is what modernity prescribes for the celebration of a Christian holiday:

    A celebration of Poz – a “Christmas Tree” in the form of a butt-plug, by the degenerate artist (but I repeat myself) Paul McCarthy. Some good French catholics had the decency to vandalize this excrescence. From what I can tell, the French still have some spark of their own civilization left in them. Many French people resist the nihilism of globo-homo, much more so than do the people of Britain. Good for them.

    Vive la France.

    • LOL: bomag
  78. @istevefan
    I just assumed Notre Dame Cathedral would be something the whole world would have considered as a treasure. Yes, I expected a few hard core jihadi types to relish the destruction, or to even take credit for it. But I was surprised by the reaction. It was sort of like how I assumed everyone thought Mother Teresa was a good person, but then was shocked at how Christopher Hitchens tore her apart.

    Along those lines here is a sick tweet, since deleted, but someone put up a screen capture to save it for posterity.

    https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1118565961592975362

    What is wrong with people such as this? Even if not Catholic, do they not appreciate what is beautiful? Why are they so hate-filled that they relish in the destruction of that which is priceless?

    My “want-to-go-full-Francoist” shoots up to the roof when I read such mindless philistinism. Reminds me of the Taliban who dynamited the Bamian statue.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @C. ThunderCock
    I like to view iSteve as the place for boomers (or boomers-in-spirit) who've been mugged by reality. They can see the truth and utility of proactive white ethnic identity and comunity, race realism, immigration control, etc. but they're still stuck in the boomercon mentality of the opposing side as being basically well-intentioned but misled. You can see this even in Steve himself; shallow commentary on the personalities and motivations of elite democrats, or even silly conjecture that rabidly anti-white blacks like Jordan Peele are secret conservatives.

    What most of the commentariat here have failed to grasp is that the better part of the progressive left (minus cynical opportunists) and the globohomo elite who control them are just genuinely horrible, evil, black hearted people. They want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny. They don't hate the beauty of Notre Dame just as a symbol of the Faith and nation who produced that beauty; they also hate it merely because it is beautiful. As a faithful man and a Christian, I can recognize the beauty of the works of art and architecture of buddhists, muslims, or even primitive pagans, because even if they were meant to pay respect to a bankrupt and false religion, they are genuine manifestations of beauty and man's thirst for God. But these people hate goodness and beauty for it's own sake, and spread ugliness wherever they go, because there is only ugliness left within them. Modern art and architecture isn't just ugly hipsterism, it's the soul-sucking worship of ugliness and inhumanity.

    You can see it even in their politics; even in praising and agitating on behalf of blacks/muslims/whatever isn't white or Christian, they can feign concern for the well-being of others only when it comes with the side effect of hurting the people they hate. They can only stand the appearance of goodness as an avenue with which to advance evil. For the majority of normie leftwing-by-default people this isn't true, but of the elite and their media mouthpieces it 100% is, they're not good people with bad politics, they're bad people who want to do evil things for the sake of doing evil (while gaining wealth and power for themselves). You shouldn't expect them to be good or decent, ever. Because they're not.
    , @Mr. Anon

    My “want-to-go-full-Francoist” shoots up to the roof when I read such mindless philistinism. Reminds me of the Taliban who dynamited the Bamian statue.
     
    Franco didn't occur for no reason. A modern-day incarnation of him won't either. Why does fascism sometimes happen? Because it sometimes appears as the only option.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Repeat after me: General-Pinochet-did-nothing-wrong!
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Twinkie, In my youth, these were the guys that I backhanded off a barstool. Amazing that they can find awe in the pile of blocks that are the pyramids and Mayan ruins, and can't see the splendor in a Cathedral, any Cathedral.
    , @Alden
    Ever read what the followers of Knox, Calvin, Thomas and Oliver Cromwell and America's own pilgrims, puritans quakers and southern Protestants even today think of beautiful catholic art and architecture?
  79. Quick! Establish if this man was ever married to Morgan Fairchild!

    A man carrying gasoline cans at New York’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral was taken into custody by the New York Police Department on Wednesday, according to NBC News.

    The man was described by law enforcement sources as emotionally disturbed, NBC reported.

    The archdiocese said in a statement that the man had been stopped as he tried to enter the cathedral, and that nothing had occurred within the building itself.

    Authorities said the man was carrying two 2-gallon cans of gasoline, two bottles of lighter fluid, and two lighters. When a church employee stopped his entry, the man fled down 5th Avenue, they said.

    When authorities caught up with him, the man said his car had run out of gas and he was taking a shortcut through the church, the NYPD said.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/man-arrested-with-gas-cans-inside-new-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral.html

  80. @istevefan
    I just assumed Notre Dame Cathedral would be something the whole world would have considered as a treasure. Yes, I expected a few hard core jihadi types to relish the destruction, or to even take credit for it. But I was surprised by the reaction. It was sort of like how I assumed everyone thought Mother Teresa was a good person, but then was shocked at how Christopher Hitchens tore her apart.

    Along those lines here is a sick tweet, since deleted, but someone put up a screen capture to save it for posterity.

    https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1118565961592975362

    This was discussed on Luke Ford’s show on Thursday. Kevin Michael Grace wasn’t amused and said there should be a social cost for this. Luke noted that Ari was an equal-opportunity offender, mocking everything including the Holocaust, and played an except of this, which was pretty funny.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    He's about as funny as cancer.
  81. Seen on Reddit, people are posting videos of a man on the roof of Notre Dame before the fire started:

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    I don't know what to think of this. It is hard to verify the time this footage was taken.
    , @LondonBob
    It was probably the hunchback.
    , @El Dato
    Ok, but there was supposed to be fixing going on. That's why the scaffold was there. One would actually expect to see a few dozen of workmen antsing around (a thing with European building projects: there seem to be many, as befits a central-bank fueled monetary bubble, but they also seem to be pretty empty of manpower in general, as befits a central-bank fueled monetary bubble)

    More interesting:

    1) What is the vantage point of that video?
    2) Is this really the correct time, i.e. just before the conflagration in the evening.
    2) Why was it taken in the first place? Is it like undercover Mossad Israelis taking pictures of WTC before nothing in particular happens?
  82. @Lurker
    Many Today Resent Notre Dame Because Their Ancestors Didn't Build Anything.

    Many Today Resent Notre Dame Because Their Ancestors Couldn’t Build Anything.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Many Today Resent Notre Dame Because They Don't Know Who Their Ancestors Were
    , @Lurker
    Much better!
  83. @Kylie
    Many Today Resent Notre Dame Because Their Ancestors Couldn't Build Anything.

    Many Today Resent Notre Dame Because They Don’t Know Who Their Ancestors Were

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  84. @Twinkie
    What is wrong with people such as this? Even if not Catholic, do they not appreciate what is beautiful? Why are they so hate-filled that they relish in the destruction of that which is priceless?

    My “want-to-go-full-Francoist” shoots up to the roof when I read such mindless philistinism. Reminds me of the Taliban who dynamited the Bamian statue.

    I like to view iSteve as the place for boomers (or boomers-in-spirit) who’ve been mugged by reality. They can see the truth and utility of proactive white ethnic identity and comunity, race realism, immigration control, etc. but they’re still stuck in the boomercon mentality of the opposing side as being basically well-intentioned but misled. You can see this even in Steve himself; shallow commentary on the personalities and motivations of elite democrats, or even silly conjecture that rabidly anti-white blacks like Jordan Peele are secret conservatives.

    What most of the commentariat here have failed to grasp is that the better part of the progressive left (minus cynical opportunists) and the globohomo elite who control them are just genuinely horrible, evil, black hearted people. They want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny. They don’t hate the beauty of Notre Dame just as a symbol of the Faith and nation who produced that beauty; they also hate it merely because it is beautiful. As a faithful man and a Christian, I can recognize the beauty of the works of art and architecture of buddhists, muslims, or even primitive pagans, because even if they were meant to pay respect to a bankrupt and false religion, they are genuine manifestations of beauty and man’s thirst for God. But these people hate goodness and beauty for it’s own sake, and spread ugliness wherever they go, because there is only ugliness left within them. Modern art and architecture isn’t just ugly hipsterism, it’s the soul-sucking worship of ugliness and inhumanity.

    You can see it even in their politics; even in praising and agitating on behalf of blacks/muslims/whatever isn’t white or Christian, they can feign concern for the well-being of others only when it comes with the side effect of hurting the people they hate. They can only stand the appearance of goodness as an avenue with which to advance evil. For the majority of normie leftwing-by-default people this isn’t true, but of the elite and their media mouthpieces it 100% is, they’re not good people with bad politics, they’re bad people who want to do evil things for the sake of doing evil (while gaining wealth and power for themselves). You shouldn’t expect them to be good or decent, ever. Because they’re not.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Bill
    Good stuff.
  85. @Twinkie
    What is wrong with people such as this? Even if not Catholic, do they not appreciate what is beautiful? Why are they so hate-filled that they relish in the destruction of that which is priceless?

    My “want-to-go-full-Francoist” shoots up to the roof when I read such mindless philistinism. Reminds me of the Taliban who dynamited the Bamian statue.

    My “want-to-go-full-Francoist” shoots up to the roof when I read such mindless philistinism. Reminds me of the Taliban who dynamited the Bamian statue.

    Franco didn’t occur for no reason. A modern-day incarnation of him won’t either. Why does fascism sometimes happen? Because it sometimes appears as the only option.

  86. “Arguably never existed” and “never was.” Not worth conserving.

  87. “Any rebuilding should be a reflection not of an old France, or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France…”

    Got that? France was never white, or European, or non-secular.

    We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia. You heard it straight from the magazine that brought you Haven Monahan.

    Like I’ve said here on an earlier post, it could easily take 20-30-40 years to fully restore Notre Dame. These things tend to take that long. By the time they are done France could be a Muslim-majority nation. Perhaps they should just go ahead and strip out all the Christianity now and save future generations the time and cost of converting it later.

  88. “[You] can’t just erase history. It’s there, and it has to be dealt with critically.”

    This is a less hate-driven note? His sole argument for restoring Notre Dame as was is so that history can “be dealt with critically”?

    OK then.

    Incidentally, the architecture historian they quote early in the piece specializes in…Latin American architecture. Perhaps not the right person to interview, for more than one reason.

  89. @istevefan

    “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,”
     
    What do they mean by this? Are they suggesting that the building was covered in too many statues and stained glass windows depicting Biblical passages?

    Do they realize that when constructed, the majority of people were illiterate. In addition Guttenberg had not invented his press. So even for those who could read, it was still hard to get a Bible. The statues, art, stain glassed windows, etc., were designed as visual aids to tell the stories of the Bible.

    Keep in mind that guy’s not just some random Twitter troll. He’s a professor at Harvard University, our nation’s “finest” institution of higher learning.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Wilkey, Suggest burning down the library at Harvard and see what happens.
  90. @Anon
    "New Jersey man" hauls a coupld of gasoline-filled jerrycans and a lighter into St. Patrick's Cathedral and is arrested.

    I guess I'll have to pop over to the Daily Mail to learn more about "New Jersey man."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/nyregion/st-patricks-cathedral-arrest.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/18/man-custody-after-trying-enter-st-patricks-cathedral-with-two-containers-gasoline-police-say/

    I have to say, it's really bigoted the way that newspapers go to so much trouble to identify the sex of criminal suspects. What difference does that make?

    Sure enough, the Daily Mail has the guy's name at least:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6934767/New-Jersey-man-37-caught-walking-New-Yorks-St-Patricks-Cathedral-gas-cans.html

    White guy:

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/marc-lamparello/

    Without the Daily Mail and Heavy, what would we do?

    An academic with mental problems.

    Church arson is a thing.

  91. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:

    It is a very very simple and obvious point – I’m certain it’s been made many times before, or at the very least SHOULD have been made – why the Hell should a France whose territory will, inevitably, be populated in the main by people who have absolutely no genetic, historic or cultural link whatsoever to the ancient and venerable nation of France, absolutely give a damn about the heritage of the French people?

    Extending the point, why would non Italian residents of the territory of Italy care less about the Vatican or Michaelangelo?
    Why would non British UK residents care about the Tower of London etc?

    Western Europe will undoubtedly be of majority non European majority population sometime this century. Although the chattering classes are squeamish about discussing ‘race’ – the inevitable collateral consequences effecting all which they supposedly ‘hold dear’ are astonishingly little discussed. Sooner or later these facts must be confronted.

  92. @Anon
    Who owns Notre Dame, the building and the land?

    The answer to that question is the answer to how it should be rebuilt. Unless France wants to take it under eminent domain.

    The French government owns Notre Dame under the 1905 laicization law.

    • Replies: @Anon

    The French government owns Notre Dame under the 1905 laicization law.
     
    Boning up on this, until the French Revolution Roman Catholicism was the state religion. That alone doesn't tell us who has title to the real estate, but the Church and the goverment were likethat.

    After the 1789 French Revolution, in 1795 Church and state were separated and church lands were seized, but in 1801 Napoleon reestablished the Church-state connection in an agreement with Pius VII. The lands were nevertheless kept by the French government. Napoleon kept control of Church finances (and other things) and thus the government subsidized the Church. The 1905 law separated Church and state again, but the government still kept the land and paid for upkeep, while continuing to require public access. More recently upkeep was lagging and an outside Catholic group inserted itself into the process by raising money.

    So to my reading, the Church owned the land and building, but there is the haziness of the close connection between the Church and the government. The Revolution stole or nationalized the land. Napoleon didn't do anything to change that, but reverted use of it to the Church. The 1905 law was housekeeping and didn't really change anything.

    I'm guessing that the pope has a big say in what happens. Francis seems like a loose cannon, but not a Let's-make-it-a-cathedral-cum-mosque level loose cannon.
    , @Kolya Krassotkin
    Wonderful. This means Notre Dame will be pushed to the center of French politics, which should be good for us non-Jacobins.
  93. @Anon
    "New Jersey man" hauls a coupld of gasoline-filled jerrycans and a lighter into St. Patrick's Cathedral and is arrested.

    I guess I'll have to pop over to the Daily Mail to learn more about "New Jersey man."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/nyregion/st-patricks-cathedral-arrest.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/18/man-custody-after-trying-enter-st-patricks-cathedral-with-two-containers-gasoline-police-say/

    I have to say, it's really bigoted the way that newspapers go to so much trouble to identify the sex of criminal suspects. What difference does that make?

    Sure enough, the Daily Mail has the guy's name at least:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6934767/New-Jersey-man-37-caught-walking-New-Yorks-St-Patricks-Cathedral-gas-cans.html

    White guy:

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/marc-lamparello/

    Without the Daily Mail and Heavy, what would we do?

    An academic with mental problems.

    Poor guy. He seems well liked by his students at Brooklyn College, one of undergraduate colleges of the City University in New York (CUNY) system.

    https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=2178550

    • Replies: @Anon
    I can remember the days when college profs didn't try to burn down buildings, or attack people in the street with bike locks, or try to sic an assault on a student reporter covering a protest, or talk about killing people in social media. Profs in this day and age need to be given a psychiatric assessment before being hired.

    In the old days, they would have been too terrified of being fired to commit crimes like these. It's time to do away with tenure entirely so we can purge the left from academia.
  94. As said elsewhere, I do hope Notre Dame is left as a ruined historic monument, and not re-restored.
    However, the building has been owned by the French State since 1905 ( admittedly the Church has the right to worship there in perpetuity ) So whatever will be done will be at the behest of those who control the State.
    I am not hopeful

  95. @Dave Pinsen
    This was discussed on Luke Ford’s show on Thursday. Kevin Michael Grace wasn’t amused and said there should be a social cost for this. Luke noted that Ari was an equal-opportunity offender, mocking everything including the Holocaust, and played an except of this, which was pretty funny.

    https://youtu.be/PWO7CMF5otY

    He’s about as funny as cancer.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    He’s about as funny as cancer.
     
    Agree. That was painfully stupid. Confidence combined with immunity from embarrassment can get you far. But to paraphrase Socrates, the unaware life is not worth living.
  96. Patricio del Real is an Assistant Professor of the History of Art and Architecture and Modern Architecture at Harvard University.

    His biography page explains.

    Patricio del Real works on modern architecture and its transnational connections with a focus on Latin America, exploring the changing ideological maps and geographies of modernity, and the modes in which these cultural maps have been imagined and re-imagined as historians, critics and architects tell the story of modern architecture.

    His current book project examines how postwar politics and modern architecture came together at the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) and its Department of Architecture and Design to construct and transform the idea of Latin America…

  97. I seem to recall reading that the Ottoman Empire relied heavily on French engineers and architects.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    And German…..that's how the "seat of satan" made it to Berlin.
  98. @Anon

    There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.
     
    Like Sir Christopher Wren, architect of St. Paul's? I guess he was ahead of his time?

    https://dianadarke.com/2019/04/16/the-heritage-of-notre-dame-less-european-than-people-think/

    What we today call the Gothic arch, prevalent in Notre Dame and in all the great cathedrals of Europe, was an architectural design first seen in the Ibn Tulun Mosque in Cairo and passed via Amalfi merchants to Sicily. With their advanced knowledge of geometry and the laws of statics Muslims developed both the horseshoe (also known as Moorish) arch (first seen in the Damascus Umayyad Mosque then further developed by the Umayyads in Andalusia in the Great Mosque of Cordoba) and the pointed arch to give more height than the classical arch. The first building to use them in Europe was the Abbey of Monte Cassino in 1071, financed by Amalfi merchants. It then moved north to the Church of Cluny which boasted 150 pointed arches in its aisles. The fashion quickly spread from these, two of the most influential churches in Europe, as this pointed ‘Gothic’ arch was stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and the Normans, so allowed the construction of bigger, taller, grander and more complex buildings like the great cathedrals of Europe.

    Other borrowings from Muslim designs, also to be found in Notre Dame, include ribbed vaulting (traced to the 8th century Abbasid Palace of Ukhaydar in Iraq), rose windows (first seen at the 8th century Umayyad palace of Khirbat Mafjar (Hisham’s Palace) in the West Bank near Jericho, and the spire (which collapsed so spectacularly on Notre Dame as the timber roof gave way beneath it). The first known spire is on the Umayyad Mosque of Damascus, built in the early 8th century.

    In England the first ever spire was on top of St Paul’s Cathedral in 1221. It was destroyed in the Great Fire of London then rebuilt in 1710 by Sir Christopher Wren, an avowed admirer of Muslim architecture who conducted an extensive comparative study of Gothic, Moorish and Ottoman styles. “The Goths,” he said, “were rather destroyers than builders: I think it should with more reason be called the Saracen (Arab Muslim) style.” The combination of dome and tower in his masterpiece of St Paul’s, together with the structure of the domes in the aisles, shows this strong Muslim influence, also clearly visible in Notre Dame.
     

    If the “Muslim” examples of these architectural forms date to circa 8th century (viz., very early in the Arab/Islamic expansion) then it is actually very likely that these “discoveries” were actually the work of the Syrian and Hellenic Christians who lived in places like Damascus when the Muslims conquered it. It’s fairly well known that many of the early Islamic buildings were the work of recently-conquered Christian craftsmen. But I’m not a scholar of the period, simply looking at the historical chess position; if anyone has better information feel free to correct. It’s known, however, that Syrians were much in demand as architects and builders in the ancient world, and I’m rather skeptical that the Arabs of that period knew more about geometry than the Greeks. IIRC, the great “Roman” architect Vitruvius was actually a Syrian.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You're on the right track; in fact, it seems like the "early Islamic architecture" that blog post extols may actually be more European - or at least more Greco-Roman - than the author may be willing to admit.

    In the East, Byzantine architectural tradition exerted a profound influence on early Islamic architecture. During the Umayyad Caliphate era (661-750), as far as the Byzantine impact on early Islamic architecture is concerned, the Byzantine artistic heritage formed a fundamental source to the new Islamic art, especially in Syria and Palestine. There are considerable Byzantine influences which can be detected in the distinctive early Islamic monuments in Syria and Palestine, as on the Dome of the Rock (691) at Jerusalem, the Umayyad Mosque (709–715) at Damascus.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_architecture
  99. @J.Ross
    The French authorities determined after three hours of what must have been back-breaking labor that it absolutely definitely wasn't arson. Why the hell didn't we do that after the World Trade Center was destroyed?
    "I think there was a conspiracy--"
    "Oh do you? Because the government looked into it."
    "The --"
    "For three whole hours."
    "Oh, ... that's different. I mean, three hours, wow."
    "By the way, kid -- this theory of yours --"
    "Yeah, former theory."
    "Be that as it may -- how long did you spend cooking it up?"
    "Less than three hours!"
    Mentos: The Freshmaker.
    -------
    OT new, excellent voice:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgBYm30mDYA

    Sounds like just another country teenybopper. I miss Sammi Smith.

  100. The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.

    All buildings convey meaning of some sort — even a warehouse tells us something something about the primacy of efficiency and abundance in a mass production society. Given what Notre Dame is, and the purposes for which it was built, why wouldn’t it have acquired, over its long span of history, layer upon layer of meaning, and sometimes, admittedly, contradictory associations?

    What is curious is that he describes Notre Dame as having been “overburdened with meaning.” Why characterize meaning as a burden, and, to probe a bit further, why describe Notre Dame as “overburdened”? Does it conveys too much meaning, too various a range of meanings? Is its meaning both too antiquated and too overpowering for the maintenance of our equilibrium?

    Why is its burning a liberation, and from what are we being liberated? Meaning? Do we, in the contemporary moment, really need relief from meaning? Couldn’t one argue that liberation from meaning is the great spiritual — or if you prefer, psychological — malady of our age?

    Finally, notice his use of the past tense, “The building was so overburdened . . . ” The building isn’t overburdened anymore, so his use of the past tense would imply, because the building doesn’t really exist anymore. What we have now is a ruin stripped of meaning.

    And this from an architectural historian.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    The more reactionary Church has in the past liberated such overburdened souls as del Real's by burning.
    , @Thea
    I tried to agree but I’m not allowed that option now. So anyhow I agree
    , @Eagle Eye
    Of course a Third World AA pet "academic" like Patrick (sorry, Patricio) from a Spanish colony would feel "overburdened" by the experience of a building that he senses represents a long history of "meaning" that he knows is far beyond anything his culture's ability to fully understand let alone create.

    PoMo bullshittery inculcated over many years immunizes the student against any appreciation of high culture, European or otherwise.
    , @Dieter Kief
    Its easier to destroy than to build. Same is true in the realms of the intellect. Patricio del Real - that's exactly what he ain't, hehe. He's rather a don Quichotte than someone who knows what's real - and what is not.
  101. Okay, I admit it.

    I claimed on an earlier thread that no one would be stupid enough to advocate this.

    Others told me I under-estimated human stupidity.

    They were right.

    Next project: rebuild the Taj Mahal with a Latin American flavor and the Parthenon in a black African style (yes, I know, “Black Athena”).

    • Replies: @El Dato

    Parthenon in a black African style (yes, I know, “Black Athena”)
     
    The Wakandenon?

    The Parthenon has seem some shit, but the Brits finished it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGitmYl6U90

    OT: Hey, what's going on here. The FDA clamps down on "extreme outlier" opioid pill pushers? MILLIONS of pills: 60 doctors & pharmacists caught up in largest federal opioid bust in US history
  102. @Andy
    Most anti-white racism is basically resentment from non-white people towards the achievements (scientific, artistic, cultural) of Europeans and its descendants. The less your own people has achieved the more resentful you are toward whites (that's why African Americans tend to be more resentful toward whites than Asians Americans)

    Andy wrote:

    Most anti-white racism is basically resentment from non-white people towards the achievements (scientific, artistic, cultural) of Europeans and its descendants.

    No, not at all: most anti-white racism is a tool used by powerful and evil whites as a tool to control and manipulate non-whites.

    It’s all a scam used by the ruling elite.

    Look at Creepy Joe Biden going around apologizing for being a white male. Of course, Creepy Joe is so obviously insincere and repellent that I doubt he will convince many non-whites.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    I think it's both. The resentment from non-white people toward Europeans and their descendants is readily apparent and is easily used as a tool by cynical, power-hungry whites to control and manipulate non-whites. Such whites don't have to create the resentment. It's there, ready to be exploited.
    , @dfordoom

    No, not at all: most anti-white racism is a tool used by powerful and evil whites as a tool to control and manipulate non-whites.
     
    Yep.
    , @Andy
    yes, there's anti-white racism among whites as virtue-signaling, but anti-white racism among blacks and latinos is basically resentment for belonging to an inferior civilization
  103. @jim jones
    Seen on Reddit, people are posting videos of a man on the roof of Notre Dame before the fire started:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c3uZViDqoo

    I don’t know what to think of this. It is hard to verify the time this footage was taken.

  104. @jim jones
    Seen on Reddit, people are posting videos of a man on the roof of Notre Dame before the fire started:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c3uZViDqoo

    It was probably the hunchback.

    • LOL: jim jones
  105. @black sea

    The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.
     
    All buildings convey meaning of some sort -- even a warehouse tells us something something about the primacy of efficiency and abundance in a mass production society. Given what Notre Dame is, and the purposes for which it was built, why wouldn't it have acquired, over its long span of history, layer upon layer of meaning, and sometimes, admittedly, contradictory associations?

    What is curious is that he describes Notre Dame as having been "overburdened with meaning." Why characterize meaning as a burden, and, to probe a bit further, why describe Notre Dame as "overburdened"? Does it conveys too much meaning, too various a range of meanings? Is its meaning both too antiquated and too overpowering for the maintenance of our equilibrium?

    Why is its burning a liberation, and from what are we being liberated? Meaning? Do we, in the contemporary moment, really need relief from meaning? Couldn't one argue that liberation from meaning is the great spiritual -- or if you prefer, psychological -- malady of our age?

    Finally, notice his use of the past tense, "The building was so overburdened . . . " The building isn't overburdened anymore, so his use of the past tense would imply, because the building doesn't really exist anymore. What we have now is a ruin stripped of meaning.

    And this from an architectural historian.

    The more reactionary Church has in the past liberated such overburdened souls as del Real’s by burning.

  106. @Anonymous
    Anyone know what happened to Second City Bureaucrat? (Twitter handle @citybureaucrat)

    I can only assume Second City Bureaucrat got the memory hole treatment from our betters at Twitter.

    Too bad. Loved his posts.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There is no notice that the account was suspended. Maybe he/she/they was doxxed?
    , @Anonymous
    @citybureaucrat was probably the best Twitter account out there.

    And just like that, it is gone.

  107. There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.

    Jealousy of Western Civilization by lesser civilizations and their apologists are causing a shit storm they can’t win.

  108. @jim jones
    Seen on Reddit, people are posting videos of a man on the roof of Notre Dame before the fire started:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c3uZViDqoo

    Ok, but there was supposed to be fixing going on. That’s why the scaffold was there. One would actually expect to see a few dozen of workmen antsing around (a thing with European building projects: there seem to be many, as befits a central-bank fueled monetary bubble, but they also seem to be pretty empty of manpower in general, as befits a central-bank fueled monetary bubble)

    More interesting:

    1) What is the vantage point of that video?
    2) Is this really the correct time, i.e. just before the conflagration in the evening.
    2) Why was it taken in the first place? Is it like undercover Mossad Israelis taking pictures of WTC before nothing in particular happens?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    There were a few different amateur video cameras aimed at the WTC when the planes hit. I don’t think anyone has claimed those cameramen had advanced knowledge of the attack.
  109. @Almost Missouri
    Seems like Left is skipping ahead in the Ladder of Genocide.

    Hey Lefties! You're supposed to deny that your victims ever existed AFTER you genocide them, not while the genocide is still in progress!

    O come on ! these are the people that are going to make communism finally work ……at last.Just make sure you have lots of popcorn in your bunker.

  110. Now that’s a viral tagline

  111. @jbwilson24
    I seem to recall reading that the Ottoman Empire relied heavily on French engineers and architects.

    And German…..that’s how the “seat of satan” made it to Berlin.

  112. @PhysicistDave
    Okay, I admit it.

    I claimed on an earlier thread that no one would be stupid enough to advocate this.

    Others told me I under-estimated human stupidity.

    They were right.

    Next project: rebuild the Taj Mahal with a Latin American flavor and the Parthenon in a black African style (yes, I know, "Black Athena").

    Parthenon in a black African style (yes, I know, “Black Athena”)

    The Wakandenon?

    The Parthenon has seem some shit, but the Brits finished it:

    OT: Hey, what’s going on here. The FDA clamps down on “extreme outlier” opioid pill pushers? MILLIONS of pills: 60 doctors & pharmacists caught up in largest federal opioid bust in US history

    • Replies: @peterike
    OT: Hey, what’s going on here. The FDA clamps down on “extreme outlier” opioid pill pushers?

    A lot of white people on the list of arrested. But also...

    Nitesh Patel
    Mohammed Mazumder
    Sai Gutti
    Ijaz Mahood
    Anil Prasad
    Raymond Noschang
    Harrison Yang
    Tayja Brown
    , @densa
    Re: OT. The DOJ is finally busting the legalized drug dealers that the FDA was supposed to stopped a long time ago:

    In one case, a doctor who is alleged to have been at one time the highest prescriber of controlled substances in the state, and several pharmacists are charged with operating an alleged “pill mill” in Dayton, Ohio.  According to the indictment, between October 2015 and October 2017 alone, the pharmacy allegedly dispensed over 1.75 million pills. 

     

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/appalachian-regional-prescription-opioid-arpo-strike-force-takedown-results-charges-against

    These are the 'folks' Obama and his black DOJ ignored because the right people were being ethnically cleansed and still are, currently at the rate of 130 a day. Thank you Trump and Barr, but don't stop at retail.
  113. @Anon
    "New Jersey man" hauls a coupld of gasoline-filled jerrycans and a lighter into St. Patrick's Cathedral and is arrested.

    I guess I'll have to pop over to the Daily Mail to learn more about "New Jersey man."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/nyregion/st-patricks-cathedral-arrest.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/18/man-custody-after-trying-enter-st-patricks-cathedral-with-two-containers-gasoline-police-say/

    I have to say, it's really bigoted the way that newspapers go to so much trouble to identify the sex of criminal suspects. What difference does that make?

    Sure enough, the Daily Mail has the guy's name at least:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6934767/New-Jersey-man-37-caught-walking-New-Yorks-St-Patricks-Cathedral-gas-cans.html

    White guy:

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/marc-lamparello/

    Without the Daily Mail and Heavy, what would we do?

    An academic with mental problems.

    Lamparello is a Boston College-educated philosophy professor who has been involved in the Catholic Church in the past. According to a bio for a recently published book he wrote, “A native of New Jersey, Marc Lamparello studied philosophy at Boston College, graduating Phi Beta Kappa in 2004. Marc has been heavily engaged in the study of philosophy from an early age, and is currently working on two other book-length projects, including a witty dialogue on arguments for and against the existence of God, and a series of essays on the epistemology of practical motivation.”

    An academic with mental problems.

    You see, once upon a time “philosopher” were people with a following at the center of politics who had something to say that stayed relevant across generations, possibly across millenia (No, Sartre doesn’t count). Nowadays they are stowaways on the college-industrial complex writing books of little importance.

    heavily engaged in the study of philosophy from an early age

    Hmmm … I remember my high school bullshit sessions. In retrospect, embarrassing.

    For my philosophy fix, I got to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and treat myself to treatises on logic and mathematics and epistemology. That’s enough.

  114. @PhysicistDave
    Andy wrote:

    Most anti-white racism is basically resentment from non-white people towards the achievements (scientific, artistic, cultural) of Europeans and its descendants.
     
    No, not at all: most anti-white racism is a tool used by powerful and evil whites as a tool to control and manipulate non-whites.

    It's all a scam used by the ruling elite.

    Look at Creepy Joe Biden going around apologizing for being a white male. Of course, Creepy Joe is so obviously insincere and repellent that I doubt he will convince many non-whites.

    I think it’s both. The resentment from non-white people toward Europeans and their descendants is readily apparent and is easily used as a tool by cynical, power-hungry whites to control and manipulate non-whites. Such whites don’t have to create the resentment. It’s there, ready to be exploited.

    • Replies: @peterike
    The resentment from non-white people toward Europeans and their descendants is readily apparent and is easily used as a tool by cynical, power-hungry whites to control and manipulate non-whites.

    No, it's used as a tool by cynical, power-hungry whites to control and manipulate OTHER WHITES.
  115. @Dtbb
    I have said it before. Total white man strike. Show who has the real power. Should be easy to organize, even "spontaneously".

    Ayn Rand said it, too. Going Galt could be the white man’s equivalent to Gandhi’s passive resistance.

  116. @JimB
    “But for some people in France, Notre Dame has also served as a deep-seated symbol of resentment, a monument to a deeply flawed institution and an idealized Christian European France that arguably never existed in the first place. “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.”

    Patricio del Real needs to grease his head and look for his appendix.

    That is as big a pile of rubbish and pseudo-intellectual nonsense as I’ve ever heard. Why do we indulge these people by paying the least bit of attention to them? They are the equivalent of little children throwing tantrums and, rather than being given a swift swat on the behind and told to take a time-out in the corner, they are instead earnestly indulged and encouraged to continue in their childish tantrums. However, I suppose we have to pay attention to them, because they may be more like sulky teenagers throwing tantrums than five-year-olds, and therefore potentially dangerous.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Because they rule over us.
    , @JimB

    Why do we indulge these people by paying the least bit of attention to them?
     
    Because he's wearing a Harvard T-shirt.
  117. “the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France”: what madness inspires him to think it never existed? It really was truly Roman Catholic – why, they slaughtered Albigensians and Protestants by the thousands and tens of thousands.

    “one of the few remaining wonders of medieval architecture”: oh balls. France and England, for example, are littered with fine Gothic buildings.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    We've had our differences, dearie, but you're very much on the ball here. England, France and Western Europe generally are littered with fine Gothic and other mediaeval buildings. A fair number are little altered.
    By contrast, Notre Dame de Paris had been considerably altered during the 17th and 18th Centuries, thoroughly mangled during the French Revolution, ending up as a warehouse. It was then semi-derelict until Louis-Phillipe authorised the restoration of Lassus and Viollet-le-Duc.
    What is most admired by modern visitors is the Gothic Revival work of the restoration. It is a great loss, but not in the same class as the loss of reasonably intact mediaeval buildings.
    Since 1905 it is has been owned by the French State, so any restoration will be up to Macron et cie.
    I am not hopeful, and would rather Notre Dame were preserved as a ruined National Monument.
  118. @Whiskey
    Steve I think you are coming around to the proposition that White or Huwhyte people either dominate and oppress others or they themselves get dominated and oppressed if not exterminated.

    There is no middle ground.

    Just take the ‘White or Huwhyte’ (what’s with the ‘hu’) out of that and you’ve got human nature, I think.

    • Replies: @The Cruncher
    'huWhite' is how Jared Taylor pronounces 'white':

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOjocDM_Lbo

    and it means, colloquially, European white, non-Jewish white. Which is ironic because JT himself has no problem with / makes no distinction between, Jews and gentile whites - "They look huwhite to me!".
    , @Lowe
    Whites don't seem to want to dominate anyone. Does that mean they lack human nature?
  119. OT, but Wakanda is not forthcoming.

    South Africa’s economic & social decline the worst of nations not at war

    Where da magic power stones at? Still locked up in an Asteroid that Whitey doesn’t want to collect with a Space Tug?

    • Agree: BB753
  120. @Against Reason

    It’s not as if in rebuilding the church one is necessarily building a monument to the glorification of medieval catholicism and aristocracy.
     
    Well, actually, that is what Notre Dame and every other Gothic cathedral is, a monument to what was probably the peak of Western civilization. The equivalent today would be some abomination by Frank Gehry and his ilk. Which tells you all you need to know about the current state of civilization.

    Notre Dame should be left a ruin. That would be the appropriate symbol for our age.

    “The equivalent today would be some abomination by Ephraim Owen Goldberg and his ilk.”

    • Replies: @Bill
    Didn't know that. Thanks.
  121. @Hypnotoad666

    or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France
     
    Oh boy, talk about retconning -- now France "never was" white, Christian or European.

    And what could be a more potent physical symbol of French moral defeat than burning the ancient heart of their country and replacing it with some multi-faith museum of tolerance -- or whatever these people imagine is an appropriate symbol of the new country that used to be "France."

    Maybe when the Muslims hit 51% of the population they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wermacht in 1940.

    Maybe when the Muslims hit 51% of the population they can stage a victory parade through the Arc de Triomphe like the Wehrmacht in 1940.

    Giggle, giggle.

    Here’s some archival footage of the victory parade they held when Whitey lost California:

    Wow, I guess the Atlantic Ocean is kind of like America’s Maginot Line. As we all know, John Wayne and Gen. Patton wisely had the Atlantic Ocean dug in order to protect against those Nazi anti-Semites and sex perverts. It worked (unlike France’s faggoty Maginot Line) but the Mexicans simply adopted a modified Manstein Plan and came at you guys via the US-Mexican border. Sad!

  122. @Change that Matters
    Patricio del Real is an Expert, so pay attention to your Betters. He once "participated in the construction of informal structures in Havana, Cuba".

    Apparently, this Harvard wunderkind has never heard of Louis XVI’s nor his famous dictum “One Law, One Faith, One King.” I wonder if he considers Versailles to be of architectural notice?

  123. @Anon
    "New Jersey man" hauls a coupld of gasoline-filled jerrycans and a lighter into St. Patrick's Cathedral and is arrested.

    I guess I'll have to pop over to the Daily Mail to learn more about "New Jersey man."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/nyregion/st-patricks-cathedral-arrest.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/18/man-custody-after-trying-enter-st-patricks-cathedral-with-two-containers-gasoline-police-say/

    I have to say, it's really bigoted the way that newspapers go to so much trouble to identify the sex of criminal suspects. What difference does that make?

    Sure enough, the Daily Mail has the guy's name at least:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6934767/New-Jersey-man-37-caught-walking-New-Yorks-St-Patricks-Cathedral-gas-cans.html

    White guy:

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/marc-lamparello/

    Without the Daily Mail and Heavy, what would we do?

    An academic with mental problems.

    From the Daily Mail:

    The suspect has an active online presence and, in 2018, he criticized a news story about French people disliking President Donald Trump more than Russian President Vladimir Putin, Chinese President Xi Jinping and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    He wrote, ‘All I know is, if the French dislike us for something, we must be doing something right. They think they’re so much more sophisticated and culturally alluring than us. But secretly, they’re jealous of us and want to be us. Never forget that, fellow Americans.’

    The guy who likely planned to light himself on fire in NYC’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral had a bee in his bonnet over the haughty French? This fits a pattern.

    In Argentina, back in the middle of the last century, they said “things might be bad here but at least we’re better off than the rest of Europe”. I wonder if a segment of White Americans tell themselves the same thing now? Being a White guy in academia in New Jersey must be far from delightful. Does telling oneself “at least we’re better off than France!” help take off some of the edge? Probably for a while it does.

  124. I’m fairly confident that the very first ‘ancient British heritage’ institution to go in the non white Britain of the future will be the Monarchy.

    Which in itself is beyond ironic.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Way too late:

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/society/2018/5/19/meet-sheffields-first-somali-mayor-magid-magid
  125. “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.”

    Hahvahd, uh? Try and say that to my face, Patricio, I need to liberate my anger at morons like who spit on the memory of my ancestors and my culture!

  126. Le Parisien newspaper has posted a video showing photos taken inside Notre Dame. The photographer says the fireman warned him the masonry is especially unstable now that the weight of the roof is gone.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    You know, maybe one could just raze Île de la Cité and plant trees and other greens around the ruins of Notre Dame, and give it a rest.

    It would at least give a romantic Hubert Robert diorama.
  127. @Cagey Beast
    President Putin offered to send experts in restoration to assist the French with Notre Dame. They do have recent experience restoring cathedrals and churches torn down by Stalin.

    Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow:
    https://twitter.com/myrtille751/status/1118173114167451648

    I’m sure Russia is just filled to the brim with elites (sic) cringing at this offer.

  128. @Moses
    I can only assume Second City Bureaucrat got the memory hole treatment from our betters at Twitter.

    Too bad. Loved his posts.

    There is no notice that the account was suspended. Maybe he/she/they was doxxed?

  129. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: More memetic manoeuvers in the dark from RT:

    Can’t party when White:

    Facebook bans British anti-immigrant groups including EDL, BNP and Britain First

    Facebook has banned 12 high-profile, anti-immigrant British organizations and individuals including the English Defence League, the British National Party, Britain First and Jayda Fransen.

    The silicon valley company said it took the decision because it bans users who “proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence.”

    “Individuals and organisations who spread hate, or attack or call for the exclusion of others on the basis of who they are, have no place on Facebook,” it said in a statement.

    Can party when Black (and how!):

    Vigilante ‘death squads’ using Facebook & Twitter to hunt gang suspects in Kenya

    One group [Nairobi Crime Free] boasts almost 63,000 members and has a motto which reads: “Forgiving a terrorist is left to God, but fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility.” Group members often try to one-up each other while commenting and laughing about the extreme violence shared on the page.

    Human rights groups claim they have also been targeted by these vigilantes, and have repeatedly called on Facebook to remove the offending content.

    “We recognise that we have a responsibility to fight abuse on our platform and we are working hard with partners on the ground, including civil society organisations, to better understand local issues and tackle them more effectively,” a Facebook spokesperson said in a statement. “Our investigation into this issue is ongoing.”

    At time of writing, the content is still widely available on Facebook.

  130. @Simon Tugmutton
    He's about as funny as cancer.

    He’s about as funny as cancer.

    Agree. That was painfully stupid. Confidence combined with immunity from embarrassment can get you far. But to paraphrase Socrates, the unaware life is not worth living.

  131. @TTSSYF
    That is as big a pile of rubbish and pseudo-intellectual nonsense as I've ever heard. Why do we indulge these people by paying the least bit of attention to them? They are the equivalent of little children throwing tantrums and, rather than being given a swift swat on the behind and told to take a time-out in the corner, they are instead earnestly indulged and encouraged to continue in their childish tantrums. However, I suppose we have to pay attention to them, because they may be more like sulky teenagers throwing tantrums than five-year-olds, and therefore potentially dangerous.

    Because they rule over us.

  132. @PhysicistDave
    Andy wrote:

    Most anti-white racism is basically resentment from non-white people towards the achievements (scientific, artistic, cultural) of Europeans and its descendants.
     
    No, not at all: most anti-white racism is a tool used by powerful and evil whites as a tool to control and manipulate non-whites.

    It's all a scam used by the ruling elite.

    Look at Creepy Joe Biden going around apologizing for being a white male. Of course, Creepy Joe is so obviously insincere and repellent that I doubt he will convince many non-whites.

    No, not at all: most anti-white racism is a tool used by powerful and evil whites as a tool to control and manipulate non-whites.

    Yep.

  133. @CCZ
    Meanwhile, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said he will open the redesign of the Notre Dame cathedral's historic spire to "an international architecture competition."

    He said: 'The international competition will allow us to ask the question of whether we should even recreate the spire as it was conceived by Viollet-le-Duc.

    'Or whether, as is often the case during the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire that reflects the techniques and challenges of our era.'

    “Should we reconstruct an arrow? The same? Adapted to the techniques and challenges of our time? An international architecture competition for the reconstruction of the cathedral spire will be organized," French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe wrote on Twitter Wednesday.

    ‘Or whether, as is often the case during the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire that reflects the techniques and challenges of our era.’

    Yeah, maybe a giant middle finger.

  134. Don’t ever forget the following GREATNESS:

    A 90 percent NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICA AMERICA…..placed 12 Alpha Native Born White American Males on the Moon….

    HINDU-JAMAICAN POTUS Kamala Harris and her AG Preet Bharrara will dedicate themselves to making sure this never happens again….as will their Hindu “American” and Chinese “American” Democratic Party Voting Block….

    • Agree: Bruce County
  135. @Cagey Beast
    Le Parisien newspaper has posted a video showing photos taken inside Notre Dame. The photographer says the fireman warned him the masonry is especially unstable now that the weight of the roof is gone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ6xFXgS3Hs

    You know, maybe one could just raze Île de la Cité and plant trees and other greens around the ruins of Notre Dame, and give it a rest.

    It would at least give a romantic Hubert Robert diorama.

  136. @International Jew
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque–Cathedral_of_Córdoba

    Are there any differences between 1236 and 2019? Nope, none.

  137. @El Dato

    Parthenon in a black African style (yes, I know, “Black Athena”)
     
    The Wakandenon?

    The Parthenon has seem some shit, but the Brits finished it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGitmYl6U90

    OT: Hey, what's going on here. The FDA clamps down on "extreme outlier" opioid pill pushers? MILLIONS of pills: 60 doctors & pharmacists caught up in largest federal opioid bust in US history

    OT: Hey, what’s going on here. The FDA clamps down on “extreme outlier” opioid pill pushers?

    A lot of white people on the list of arrested. But also…

    Nitesh Patel
    Mohammed Mazumder
    Sai Gutti
    Ijaz Mahood
    Anil Prasad
    Raymond Noschang
    Harrison Yang
    Tayja Brown

  138. @TTSSYF
    I think it's both. The resentment from non-white people toward Europeans and their descendants is readily apparent and is easily used as a tool by cynical, power-hungry whites to control and manipulate non-whites. Such whites don't have to create the resentment. It's there, ready to be exploited.

    The resentment from non-white people toward Europeans and their descendants is readily apparent and is easily used as a tool by cynical, power-hungry whites to control and manipulate non-whites.

    No, it’s used as a tool by cynical, power-hungry whites to control and manipulate OTHER WHITES.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    Well, that too.
  139. or the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France

    When did this new attack vector start, exactly? We’ve seen this for a while now about the UK. In fact, it’s become ubiquitous, the constant ensuring us that Britain was never white but was always “multicultural.” Is this spreading now to France? What about within France? Does the French media repeatedly make the point that France has always been multicultural? Do French television shows and films show historical French people/characters as black or Arab?

    What other nations are going to get hit with this line of attack?

    My guess is that they won’t do this to Germany, because those nasty Germans were ALWAYS white and Christian, I’m sure.

  140. Slightly off topic:

    Is President Modi the Hindu version of the Alt Right?

  141. A webcam video has apparently surfaced showing a large flash of light in front of someone on the scaffolding of Notre Dame a little after 5 PM.

    Run this through the translator of your choice:

    https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2019/04/18/d-ou-vient-la-video-montrant-un-flash-de-lumiere-sur-le-toit-de-notre-dame-avant-l-incendie_1722145

    Here’s the webcam footage itself:

    The flash happens near the 20 sec mark.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    To see the video at archive.org, follow the link in the body of the story at Liberation. Control F for this: "Celle de 17h05 a aussi été enregistrée sur Archive.org. Ce sont bien ces images qui circulent sur le Net".

    Or try this link without the asterisks:
    https*://web.archive.org/web/20190418032744/https://filmssite.viewsurf.com/paris02/11/22/media_1555340708.*mp4

    , @El Dato
    Doesn't tell us much because there is only an hourly capture from XX:05 to XX:06, in this case from 17:05 to 17:06. There were 12 workers from Europe Échafaudage. They left the roof at 17:20 and closed the site at 17:50.

    Les ouvriers ont quitté le toit de Notre-Dame à 17h20

    Contacté par CheckNews, le gestionnaire de crise engagé par Europe Échafaudage, l’entreprise qui réalisait les travaux, indique que 12 ouvriers travaillaient ce jour-là sur le montage des échafaudages à Notre-Dame et que «le dernier ouvrier a quitté le chantier, après extinction de l’électricité à 17h50. Ils ont quitté le toit vers 17h20». Selon toute vraisemblance, les silhouettes aperçues dans les vidéos (y compris celle filmée à 17h05, mais plus sur celle de 18h05), sont donc des ouvriers employés par Europe Échafaudage.
     

    I wonder where the camera is though. It seems to be quite a distance away to the SSW.
  142. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The French government owns Notre Dame under the 1905 laicization law.

    The French government owns Notre Dame under the 1905 laicization law.

    Boning up on this, until the French Revolution Roman Catholicism was the state religion. That alone doesn’t tell us who has title to the real estate, but the Church and the goverment were likethat.

    After the 1789 French Revolution, in 1795 Church and state were separated and church lands were seized, but in 1801 Napoleon reestablished the Church-state connection in an agreement with Pius VII. The lands were nevertheless kept by the French government. Napoleon kept control of Church finances (and other things) and thus the government subsidized the Church. The 1905 law separated Church and state again, but the government still kept the land and paid for upkeep, while continuing to require public access. More recently upkeep was lagging and an outside Catholic group inserted itself into the process by raising money.

    So to my reading, the Church owned the land and building, but there is the haziness of the close connection between the Church and the government. The Revolution stole or nationalized the land. Napoleon didn’t do anything to change that, but reverted use of it to the Church. The 1905 law was housekeeping and didn’t really change anything.

    I’m guessing that the pope has a big say in what happens. Francis seems like a loose cannon, but not a Let’s-make-it-a-cathedral-cum-mosque level loose cannon.

  143. @Mr McKenna
    Well, for one thing, any of us who even tries will immediately lose his home, his family, his loved ones and his freedom--if not his life. Then, anything he has done will be instantly and universally re-interpreted by the MSM as an assault upon all that is good and fair. But seriously, I'm open to suggestions. What form should the protest take, exactly? You've mentioned physical violence upon ill-defined malefactors. What else?

    What form should the protest take, exactly?

    On a previous post a commenter provided me with a link to an article, ‘The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority’, by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

    The best example I know that gives insights into the functioning of a complex system is with the following situation. It suffices for an intransigent minority –a certain type of intransigent minorities –to reach a minutely small level, say three or four percent of the total population, for the entire population to have to submit to their preferences. Further, an optical illusion comes with the dominance of the minority: a naive observer would be under the impression that the choices and preferences are those of the majority. If it seems absurd, it is because our scientific intuitions aren’t calibrated for that (fughedabout scientific and academic intuitions and snap judgments; they don’t work and your standard intellectualization fails with complex systems, though not your grandmothers’ wisdom

    He goes on to give examples of how small, intolerant minorities who hold to their views get the rest of society to go along. Is this not what we are seeing with the SJWs?

    Therefore, we need to stop thinking of ourselves as just individuals and be prepared to form such intolerant groups of our own. Taleb shows it only takes an intransigent minority of 3 to 4 percent to get their way. I recall from history class that only 10 percent of the colonialists ever actively supported the Revolution.

    Most people don’t want to take to the streets for the fears you mentioned. Which are legitimate. However, if you refuse to engage economically with certain corporations, people, institutions, etc., you can accomplish you goals in a more passive and anonymous manner with little risk to those items you mentioned.

    If 3 to 4 percent can force their way on society, why can’t we too? After all we easily represent 25% and probably a much high figure given how most are afraid to speak their mind. We have the power economically in our hands to do what we want to do. But right now we are not organized, and too often we are being distracted and led astray by those who pretend to be on our side.

    Hell we have seen this where the leaders of the GOP get in front of something like the Tea Party only to divert the righteous anger of those voters into something else. Or how our leadership used our votes over immigration to come to power so that they could pass tax cuts and continue with the invade-the-world-invite-the-world junk so many despise.

    One thing I am taking away from the Notre Dame catastrophe is that it did help separate those who truly are on our side from the pretenders who say they are on our side, but end up diverting us. For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.

    To sum up. I think Taleb is onto something about an intolerant minority getting its way. We have the numbers and the economic clout to do as he suggests. We just lack the group cohesion.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    We have the numbers and the economic clout to do as he suggests. We just lack the group cohesion.

    That's because we were taught:
    - People working together politically as a group is how we got Stalin, Hitler and the Klan.
    - That magical things happen when everyone acts selfishly.
    - When we're selfish, we're being rational actors. An economy full of rational actors produces the best possible market and thus, as a side effect, the best possible society.
    , @bored identity



    To sum up. I think Taleb is onto something about an intolerant minority getting its way.

     

    Why don't you just ask Jack D about his opinion on who could be the major beneficiary from such a organically driven transformation that's rapidly pilling off Red White & Blue from Weimerica's cathedral ceilings ?
    , @bored identity
    bored identity strongly believes that the whole 'being disorganized" thing has to do something with getting fired, and consequentially evicted from your home/apartment/trailer/van/cabin/tree house/...life?, every.single.time. you try to...organize.
    , @Macumazahn

    For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.
     
    Actually, Shapiro's tweet pretended that President Trump had suggested that the Notre Dame football team put out the fire.
    Two turds with one stone, so to speak.
  144. @Cagey Beast
    A webcam video has apparently surfaced showing a large flash of light in front of someone on the scaffolding of Notre Dame a little after 5 PM.

    Run this through the translator of your choice:

    https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2019/04/18/d-ou-vient-la-video-montrant-un-flash-de-lumiere-sur-le-toit-de-notre-dame-avant-l-incendie_1722145

    Here's the webcam footage itself:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190418032744/https://filmssite.viewsurf.com/paris02/11/22/media_1555340708.mp4

    The flash happens near the 20 sec mark.

    To see the video at archive.org, follow the link in the body of the story at Liberation. Control F for this: “Celle de 17h05 a aussi été enregistrée sur Archive.org. Ce sont bien ces images qui circulent sur le Net”.

    Or try this link without the asterisks:
    https*://web.archive.org/web/20190418032744/https://filmssite.viewsurf.com/paris02/11/22/media_1555340708.*mp4

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Looks like you've had too much to think.

    On a related note, Corvinus showed back up today to hock some Mueller horseshit. Check must have cleared.

  145. I caught on the news that he is a “person of Interest.” Something about some gypsy babe.

  146. Therefore, we need to stop thinking of ourselves as just individuals and be prepared to form such intolerant groups of our own. Taleb shows it only takes an intransigent minority of 3 to 4 percent to get their way.

    With the SJWs you’re talking about a tiny intransigent minority, backed by the entire weight of the state and backed by the whole of the media and also backed by billions of dollars provided by their corporate sponsors.

    If we tried it we’d be a tiny intransigent minority, backed by absolutely nothing but opposed by the entire weight of the state and by the whole of the media band and with billions of dollars provided by corporate sponsors for the purpose of destroying us.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  147. @istevefan

    What form should the protest take, exactly?
     
    On a previous post a commenter provided me with a link to an article, 'The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority', by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.


    The best example I know that gives insights into the functioning of a complex system is with the following situation. It suffices for an intransigent minority –a certain type of intransigent minorities –to reach a minutely small level, say three or four percent of the total population, for the entire population to have to submit to their preferences. Further, an optical illusion comes with the dominance of the minority: a naive observer would be under the impression that the choices and preferences are those of the majority. If it seems absurd, it is because our scientific intuitions aren’t calibrated for that (fughedabout scientific and academic intuitions and snap judgments; they don’t work and your standard intellectualization fails with complex systems, though not your grandmothers’ wisdom
     
    He goes on to give examples of how small, intolerant minorities who hold to their views get the rest of society to go along. Is this not what we are seeing with the SJWs?

    Therefore, we need to stop thinking of ourselves as just individuals and be prepared to form such intolerant groups of our own. Taleb shows it only takes an intransigent minority of 3 to 4 percent to get their way. I recall from history class that only 10 percent of the colonialists ever actively supported the Revolution.

    Most people don't want to take to the streets for the fears you mentioned. Which are legitimate. However, if you refuse to engage economically with certain corporations, people, institutions, etc., you can accomplish you goals in a more passive and anonymous manner with little risk to those items you mentioned.

    If 3 to 4 percent can force their way on society, why can't we too? After all we easily represent 25% and probably a much high figure given how most are afraid to speak their mind. We have the power economically in our hands to do what we want to do. But right now we are not organized, and too often we are being distracted and led astray by those who pretend to be on our side.

    Hell we have seen this where the leaders of the GOP get in front of something like the Tea Party only to divert the righteous anger of those voters into something else. Or how our leadership used our votes over immigration to come to power so that they could pass tax cuts and continue with the invade-the-world-invite-the-world junk so many despise.

    One thing I am taking away from the Notre Dame catastrophe is that it did help separate those who truly are on our side from the pretenders who say they are on our side, but end up diverting us. For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.

    To sum up. I think Taleb is onto something about an intolerant minority getting its way. We have the numbers and the economic clout to do as he suggests. We just lack the group cohesion.

    We have the numbers and the economic clout to do as he suggests. We just lack the group cohesion.

    That’s because we were taught:
    – People working together politically as a group is how we got Stalin, Hitler and the Klan.
    – That magical things happen when everyone acts selfishly.
    – When we’re selfish, we’re being rational actors. An economy full of rational actors produces the best possible market and thus, as a side effect, the best possible society.

  148. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ingmar_Bergman

    “People ask what are my intentions with my films — my aims. It is a difficult and dangerous question, and I usually give an evasive answer: I try to tell the truth about the human condition, the truth as I see it. This answer seems to satisfy everyone, but it is not quite correct. I prefer to describe what I would like my aim to be. There is an old story of how the cathedral of Chartres was struck by lightning and burned to the ground. Then thousands of people came from all points of the compass, like a giant procession of ants, and together they began to rebuild the cathedral on its old site. They worked until the building was completed — master builders, artists, labourers, clowns, noblemen, priests, burghers. But they all remained anonymous, and no one knows to this day who built the cathedral of Chartres.
    Regardless of my own beliefs and my own doubts, which are unimportant in this connection, it is my opinion that art lost its basic creative drive the moment it was separated from worship. It severed an umbilical cord and now lives its own sterile life, generating and degenerating itself. In former days the artist remained unknown and his work was to the glory of God. He lived and died without being more or less important than other artisans; ‘eternal values,’ ‘immortality’ and ‘masterpiece’ were terms not applicable in his case. The ability to create was a gift. In such a world flourished invulnerable assurance and natural humility. Today the individual has become the highest form and the greatest bane of artistic creation.
    The smallest wound or pain of the ego is examined under a microscope as if it were of eternal importance. The artist considers his isolation, his subjectivity, his individualism almost holy. Thus we finally gather in one large pen, where we stand and bleat about our loneliness without listening to each other and without realizing that we are smothering each other to death. The individualists stare into each other’s eyes and yet deny the existence of each other.
    We walk in circles, so limited by our own anxieties that we can no longer distinguish between true and false, between the gangster’s whim and the purest ideal. Thus if I am asked what I would like the general purpose of my films to be, I would reply that I want to be one of the artists in the cathedral on the great plain. I want to make a dragon’s head, an angel, a devil — or perhaps a saint — out of stone. It does not matter which; it is the sense of satisfaction that counts.
    Regardless of whether I believe or not, whether I am a Christian or not, I would play my part in the collective building of the cathedral.”

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    "The smallest wound or pain of the ego is examined under a microscope as if it were of eternal importance."

    What was true of the degenerate artists of Bergman's day is now true of everyone, and is treated by all as the highest good.

    The self-consumed artist produces nothing of value, while the self-consumed average man produces nothing at all, not even progeny.

    Thus has our doom been sealed.

  149. @Mr McKenna
    Well, for one thing, any of us who even tries will immediately lose his home, his family, his loved ones and his freedom--if not his life. Then, anything he has done will be instantly and universally re-interpreted by the MSM as an assault upon all that is good and fair. But seriously, I'm open to suggestions. What form should the protest take, exactly? You've mentioned physical violence upon ill-defined malefactors. What else?

    Well, for one thing, any of us who even tries will immediately lose his home, his family, his loved ones and his freedom–if not his life.

    A few years ago they had this thing called “A Day Without a Mexican.” Don’t think anyone really missed them. But if white conservatives all had a sick out things would go to hell pretty fast.

    • Agree: Macumazahn
  150. @PhysicistDave
    Andy wrote:

    Most anti-white racism is basically resentment from non-white people towards the achievements (scientific, artistic, cultural) of Europeans and its descendants.
     
    No, not at all: most anti-white racism is a tool used by powerful and evil whites as a tool to control and manipulate non-whites.

    It's all a scam used by the ruling elite.

    Look at Creepy Joe Biden going around apologizing for being a white male. Of course, Creepy Joe is so obviously insincere and repellent that I doubt he will convince many non-whites.

    yes, there’s anti-white racism among whites as virtue-signaling, but anti-white racism among blacks and latinos is basically resentment for belonging to an inferior civilization

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Most latinos came here to be part of this civilization and most black families have been here longer than our own and rightfully consider themselves part as well.

    Black and Latino elites(sic) are as fucked up as White ones and for many of the same reasons.
  151. A building burdened with history?

    So people must unburden themselves by forgetting history, except for one thing, which we must “never forget.”

    Got it. Thanks.

  152. @Anonymous
    Dickson on dick, son

    https://www.romper.com/p/i-circumcised-my-son-i-dont-regret-it-one-bit-56855

    I Circumcised My Son, & I Don't Regret It One Bit

    By EJ Dickson
    May 11 2017

    ...There was one thing, however, that my parents instilled in me that I knew I wanted to instill in Sol: a respect for and awareness of the traditions of the Jewish faith that he had been lucky (or unlucky, depending on how you look at it) enough to have been born into. Because Jews have been driven out of other people's countries for millennia, we're more aware than most of the role history plays in instructing us how to prevent future calamity; the mantra "never again" has been rammed into our skulls since birth. And while I used to roll my eyes at my grandpa's' admonitions to not do things like eat bacon or marry a goy or else I'd let Hitler win again, recent world events have forced me to question whether he was actually wrong.

    In a world where anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are on the rise, where synagogues and mosques are regularly being sprayed with slurs and swastikas, where major political candidates spouting hateful invective is not just acceptable, but encouraged, I'm starting to think that it is more important than ever for my son to know who he is, and where he comes from. I want him to look between his legs and know that he is a member of the Jewish faith, and that by virtue of his birthright, he will forever be permanently marked as different — not better, not special, not "chosen," but different — and that there are many people around the world who will resent him for this difference.
     

    This guy does know that muslims are also circumcised I suppose? That’s how hindus could tell them apart during the great partition massacres.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There's that. I heard the Nazis used that tactic on Jews. There's no question that jihadists will be checking. Jews will get by, Euro goyim won't. They'll be getting their genitals chopped off and shoved in their mouths as what happened at Bataclan.
  153. @Anon

    There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.
     
    Like Sir Christopher Wren, architect of St. Paul's? I guess he was ahead of his time?

    https://dianadarke.com/2019/04/16/the-heritage-of-notre-dame-less-european-than-people-think/

    What we today call the Gothic arch, prevalent in Notre Dame and in all the great cathedrals of Europe, was an architectural design first seen in the Ibn Tulun Mosque in Cairo and passed via Amalfi merchants to Sicily. With their advanced knowledge of geometry and the laws of statics Muslims developed both the horseshoe (also known as Moorish) arch (first seen in the Damascus Umayyad Mosque then further developed by the Umayyads in Andalusia in the Great Mosque of Cordoba) and the pointed arch to give more height than the classical arch. The first building to use them in Europe was the Abbey of Monte Cassino in 1071, financed by Amalfi merchants. It then moved north to the Church of Cluny which boasted 150 pointed arches in its aisles. The fashion quickly spread from these, two of the most influential churches in Europe, as this pointed ‘Gothic’ arch was stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and the Normans, so allowed the construction of bigger, taller, grander and more complex buildings like the great cathedrals of Europe.

    Other borrowings from Muslim designs, also to be found in Notre Dame, include ribbed vaulting (traced to the 8th century Abbasid Palace of Ukhaydar in Iraq), rose windows (first seen at the 8th century Umayyad palace of Khirbat Mafjar (Hisham’s Palace) in the West Bank near Jericho, and the spire (which collapsed so spectacularly on Notre Dame as the timber roof gave way beneath it). The first known spire is on the Umayyad Mosque of Damascus, built in the early 8th century.

    In England the first ever spire was on top of St Paul’s Cathedral in 1221. It was destroyed in the Great Fire of London then rebuilt in 1710 by Sir Christopher Wren, an avowed admirer of Muslim architecture who conducted an extensive comparative study of Gothic, Moorish and Ottoman styles. “The Goths,” he said, “were rather destroyers than builders: I think it should with more reason be called the Saracen (Arab Muslim) style.” The combination of dome and tower in his masterpiece of St Paul’s, together with the structure of the domes in the aisles, shows this strong Muslim influence, also clearly visible in Notre Dame.
     

    AFAIK the horsehoe arch was first built into the Baptistry of St Jacob in Syria sometime in the fourth century CE. Predating islam by three centuries

  154. There’s a lot of evil around re the fire at Notre Dame and subsequent reactions to it . The fact that it’s Holy Week just makes the disrespect burn deeper .

  155. @Steve Sailer
    The French government owns Notre Dame under the 1905 laicization law.

    Wonderful. This means Notre Dame will be pushed to the center of French politics, which should be good for us non-Jacobins.

  156. bored identity strongly believes how the inspiring saga of St. Colossus – Notre Dame’s Lord and Savior, and the future catholicsmatic leader of Gentiles Underground Eurodroid Résistance Engineering (GUERE) that in 3019 AD defeated Sultan Zidane the Headbutter III and his macronbotic troopers- should be properly backed to the future in currently non-existing vocational school’s world civilization curriculum :

  157. @Arclight
    We certainly wouldn't be reading pseudo-think pieces on the meaning of a building and whether it really ought to be rebuilt as its original designers intended if it were a mosque or synagogue.

    Ah, but what if it were Hagia Sophia?
    If that mosque were burned down, would there be calls to rebuild it as its original designers intended?

  158. @Change that Matters
    Patricio del Real is an Expert, so pay attention to your Betters. He once "participated in the construction of informal structures in Havana, Cuba".

    He studies the architecture of Latin America. But oddly he lives in Cambridge. I wonder what the plumbing was like in his “informal structures” in Cuba. I suspect not quite up to the standard of his Massachusetts home.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Inbound, I know I am beating a dead horse but compare Machu Pichu, a pyramid of stone blocks, no windows and no interior spaces to any Cathedral. No comparison.
  159. @Anonymous
    Del Toro appears to be a Spaniard or Spanish descended Latin American. Harwood appears to be a WASP. There's plenty of Gothic architecture in Spain and England. I don't think their views are motivated by some sort of English or Spanish francophobia. They are however both scholars of modern architecture, which is hostile to traditional forms and progressive. There were prominent Italian Fascist intellectuals who were Italian nationalists and chauvinists and at the same time were into Futurism and wanted to do things like raze Venice, fill in its canals with cement, and build a new city. Modern architecture has an iconoclastic tendency similar to older iconoclastic movements like Puritanism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx27wa0SpN4

    “There’s plenty of Gothic architecture in Spain and England.”

    There are plenty of beautiful churches and old government buildings in Latin America, too, although many of them are Baroque. It’s my understanding that old churches in Canada and the U.S. are usually some version of neo-Classical (although St. Patrick’s Cathedral in NY is neo-Gothic) or more sparse colonial/vernacular styles. I’ll admit that Notre Dame is/was special, but the Mexico City’s Metropolitan Cathedral is impressive in its own right.

  160. @black sea

    The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.
     
    All buildings convey meaning of some sort -- even a warehouse tells us something something about the primacy of efficiency and abundance in a mass production society. Given what Notre Dame is, and the purposes for which it was built, why wouldn't it have acquired, over its long span of history, layer upon layer of meaning, and sometimes, admittedly, contradictory associations?

    What is curious is that he describes Notre Dame as having been "overburdened with meaning." Why characterize meaning as a burden, and, to probe a bit further, why describe Notre Dame as "overburdened"? Does it conveys too much meaning, too various a range of meanings? Is its meaning both too antiquated and too overpowering for the maintenance of our equilibrium?

    Why is its burning a liberation, and from what are we being liberated? Meaning? Do we, in the contemporary moment, really need relief from meaning? Couldn't one argue that liberation from meaning is the great spiritual -- or if you prefer, psychological -- malady of our age?

    Finally, notice his use of the past tense, "The building was so overburdened . . . " The building isn't overburdened anymore, so his use of the past tense would imply, because the building doesn't really exist anymore. What we have now is a ruin stripped of meaning.

    And this from an architectural historian.

    I tried to agree but I’m not allowed that option now. So anyhow I agree

  161. @Kylie
    Many Today Resent Notre Dame Because Their Ancestors Couldn't Build Anything.

    Much better!

  162. @istevefan
    Wilkey you correctly show the progression of the progs from tearing down statues to now wanting to destroy significant art. However, that does not surprise me. Does it surprise anyone here? What surprises me is that WE, all sane people of many persuasions, are allowing this to happen and not lifting a finger (I included) to put an end to it.

    I am reminded of this great scene from Full Metal Jacket where the drill instructor interrogates the guy on fire watch as to why he was not putting an end to a violation of his watch. The below dialogue is specific to the movie, but one could easily rewrite it to fit our current times.

    "...Why is private Pyle out of his bunk after lights out?

    Why is private Pyle holding that weapon?

    Why aren't you stomping private Pyle's guts out?..."
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc2cPuwpqTg&t=2m42s

    Yes, why aren't we stomping on their guts as they proceed to destroy our civilization? In the end we are the adults in the room, and are ultimately responsible for not taking corrective action.

    Aren’t the Yellow Vests still protesting? Are they still vandalizing traffic cameras? That to me feels like a reaction to the loss of traditional France.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    I wonder what the Yellow Vests will do this Saturday given what happened on Monday.
  163. @Whiskey
    Steve I think you are coming around to the proposition that White or Huwhyte people either dominate and oppress others or they themselves get dominated and oppressed if not exterminated.

    There is no middle ground.

    Separation is the middle ground, then most of these issues are avoided.

  164. From Julien Dray, France’s answer to Tim Wise or Mark Potok:

    “Why weren’t water bombers used yesterday to put out the fire? … The answer is obvious. Jesus doesn’t know how to swim, he only knows how to walk on water.”

    • Replies: @peterike
    Wiki doesn't specify about Julien Dray directly, but he does fall into these categories:

    French Jews
    French people of Algerian-Jewish descent
    Jewish French Politicians

    Huh, didn't see THAT coming!
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Cagey, thank you for this post. I shouldn't say this during Holy week, but I would love to slap Dray across his face. Let him be snarky about Mohamed.
    , @Anonymous
    Is Dray Christian?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Regardless of taste or lack of it, that doesn't even make sense as a joke.
  165. @Anonymous
    I'm fairly confident that the very first 'ancient British heritage' institution to go in the non white Britain of the future will be the Monarchy.

    Which in itself is beyond ironic.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Nah:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-47241568

    February 14, 2019: "Sheffield Lord Mayor Magid Magid to step down"

    From Wikipedia:

    Magid joined the Green Party of England and Wales in 2014, despite many of his family and friends being Labour Party supporters. He decided to join the party having been affected by the rise of UKIP as a political force in England. On UKIP, he has said that they were "competent at being evil" and "exploited people's disengagement with politics and their frustration." He worked with the existing Green Party councillors in Broomhill and Sharrow Vale, and was elected as Fundraising Officer of the Sheffield Green Party. He was elected as a Green councillor representing the ward in the 2016 election. He has said that, regarding his political rise, "There's a lot of luck involved."

    As a councillor, Magid has sat on the Safer and Stronger Communities Scrutiny and Policy Committee and on the Senior Officer Employment Committee. Between his election and 1 June 2018, he had attended 90% of all meetings, and given apologies for all of his absences. He has said that his main priorities as a councillor are to establish strong partnerships between the students and residents living in his ward as well as protecting conservation areas in the ward. Politically, Magid is a republican, stating that he believes hereditary heads of state to be an outdated concept, but that he personally believes the members of the royal family are not objectionable. He has also stated support for greater devolution, free university education, and an end to private finance initiatives.

    Magid ran the Sheffield Half Marathon in April 2017 dressed as a tree to object to the council's felling policies. He ran the London Marathon in 2017 to raise money for St John Ambulance. He was chosen by Sheffield City Council to serve as Deputy Lord Mayor from May 2017 to May 2018. He was not present for his inauguration ceremony as he was filming the show Hunted. In October 2017, Magid was shortlisted for the Young Councillor of the Year award as part of the LGiU and CCLA's Councillor Achievement Awards. In May 2018, Magid raised money for Sheffield war memorial by leading a static cycling challenge.

    In February 2019, Magid announced that he would not be contesting the Sheffield City Council election, 2019 and would therefore be standing down as a councillor. In April, he announced that he would be seeking nomination as a Green Party candidate for the European Parliament elections 2019.
     
    My Goodness. Sounds like an agreeable fellow, though a bit dissolute and with a rebel streak. Also, a bit weak on the subject of economics.
  166. @OilcanFloyd
    What will be the tipping point? How long can this idiocy go on?

    What will be the tipping point? How long can this idiocy go on?

    Monetary policy is the weapon the anti-White Bolsheviks are using to buy off certain cohorts to keep the anti-White mass immigration and multicultural mayhem going.

    If you want to remove the non-Whites and non-Christians from European Christian nations, you end the monetary extremism, implode the asset bubbles and then you load up the barges.

    The answer to mass immigration is mass deportation.

    In the USA, 2.40 percent on the federal funds rate is the new normal. Yellen was talking about 4 percent. The previous normal was 6 percent.

    Mass Immigration and Monetary Policy

    Demography and Debt

  167. @El Dato

    Parthenon in a black African style (yes, I know, “Black Athena”)
     
    The Wakandenon?

    The Parthenon has seem some shit, but the Brits finished it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGitmYl6U90

    OT: Hey, what's going on here. The FDA clamps down on "extreme outlier" opioid pill pushers? MILLIONS of pills: 60 doctors & pharmacists caught up in largest federal opioid bust in US history

    Re: OT. The DOJ is finally busting the legalized drug dealers that the FDA was supposed to stopped a long time ago:

    In one case, a doctor who is alleged to have been at one time the highest prescriber of controlled substances in the state, and several pharmacists are charged with operating an alleged “pill mill” in Dayton, Ohio.  According to the indictment, between October 2015 and October 2017 alone, the pharmacy allegedly dispensed over 1.75 million pills. 

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/appalachian-regional-prescription-opioid-arpo-strike-force-takedown-results-charges-against

    These are the ‘folks’ Obama and his black DOJ ignored because the right people were being ethnically cleansed and still are, currently at the rate of 130 a day. Thank you Trump and Barr, but don’t stop at retail.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    Much better people who suffer from chronic pain get their meds on the street than from doctors and pharmacies. You drug warriors will have a special place in hell. Chronic pain is criminally under treated in the USA today, because of government actions like this.
  168. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1117906541225463808

    Art pieces stolen from colonies.

    Some perhaps. But ND was built hundreds of years before France really started acquiring colonies.

  169. @Cloudswrest
    One minor change they could make, maybe they could plastinate Hillary, Pelosi, Merkel, Macron, May, et. al. and use them to replace any of the destroyed gargoyles.

    One minor change they could make, maybe they could plastinate Hillary, Pelosi, Merkel, Macron, May, et. al. and use them to replace any of the destroyed gargoyles.

    The only problem with this suggestion is that gargoyles are said to protect against evil forces; the people you mention not only welcome evil forces, they are evil incarnate.

    But then in the new design of an anti-white Notre Dame perhaps using the people you mention as the new modern gargoyles–true champions of evil–would be most appropriate!

  170. @Dtbb
    I have said it before. Total white man strike. Show who has the real power. Should be easy to organize, even "spontaneously".

    Maybe some of you folks who participate in “social media” can get it started.
    #WhiteManStrike66
    On 6/6/2019 none of us White men do any work of any kind.
    Take a vacation day or call in sick if you have to, but no White man does any work that day. Someone asks you to do something, anything at all, give them the finger – or simply ignore them. Do something else, anything else – play a round of golf, tinker with your motorcycle, have a barbecue, get drunk with your friends, whatever – but no productive work gets done at all. No planes get piloted. No buses get driven. No classes get taught. No fires get fought. The honey-do list gets flushed down the toilet, and if the toilet overflows, that’s just too damn bad. Lots of blacks will support a one-day suspension of White law-enforcement – until they discover exactly what the law has been protecting them from for the last 150 years.
    Let the world turn without us White men for just one day, and every damned one of them will be groveling at our feet.
    #WhiteManStrike66

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    I'm in. Maybe call it W-Way.
  171. Anon[885] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Poor guy. He seems well liked by his students at Brooklyn College, one of undergraduate colleges of the City University in New York (CUNY) system.

    https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=2178550

    I can remember the days when college profs didn’t try to burn down buildings, or attack people in the street with bike locks, or try to sic an assault on a student reporter covering a protest, or talk about killing people in social media. Profs in this day and age need to be given a psychiatric assessment before being hired.

    In the old days, they would have been too terrified of being fired to commit crimes like these. It’s time to do away with tenure entirely so we can purge the left from academia.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I can remember the days when college profs didn’t try to burn down buildings, or attack people in the street with bike locks, or try to sic an assault on a student reporter covering a protest, or talk about killing people in social media.
     
    But intellectuals, the useless drones who have made up most of academia for a couple of hundred years, have always liked the idea of smashing their own civilisation. They were just too gutless to do it themselves.

    In the old days, they would have been too terrified of being fired to commit crimes like these.
     
    It was only ever fear that kept them in line.

    It’s time to do away with tenure entirely so we can purge the left from academia.
     
    No, it's time to start closing down universities. Universities today are churning out at least ten times the number of graduates that society actually needs.
  172. @Fun
    A rebuilt cathedral doesn't truly represent France's dead-eyed commitment to self-destruction. I suggest a really big mosque with two minarets. Or a series of stick and raffia huts covered in diversity murals.

    A rebuilt cathedral doesn’t truly represent France’s dead-eyed commitment to self-destruction. I suggest a really big mosque with two minarets. Or a series of stick and raffia huts covered in diversity murals.

    The ruling class of France has used monetary policy to buy off certain cohorts of the French population in order to push mass legal immigration and illegal immigration. Money-grubbing coward scum French frogs born before 1965 were bought off with debt and the gains from asset bubbles. French patriots born after 1965 will have to dislodge the current French ruling class and then deport the geezer globalizer French scum to Africa.

    The evil Bolshevik bankers who control the French ruling class are now in the last ditch with evil Rothschild banker whore Macron. The Yellow Vest Patriots are now talking about monetary policy and the banks in a way that immediately threatens the evil rodents in the French ruling class.

    The USA is under the control of the evil and disgusting Bolshevik bankers just the same as France is. Trump is a disgusting rat whore for evil bankers and money-grubbers such as Shelly Adelson and the Goldman Sachs rats.

    It’s all about the electronics.

    Electronic propaganda; electronic money; electronic command and control of the nuclear weapons.

    Macron and Trump are evil globalizer whore scumbags.

    Macron and Trump both push mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and multiculturalism and financialization and globalization and anti-White race replacement.

    Macron and Trump are evil whores for rancid Bolshevik globalizer scum.

  173. @istevefan

    What form should the protest take, exactly?
     
    On a previous post a commenter provided me with a link to an article, 'The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority', by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.


    The best example I know that gives insights into the functioning of a complex system is with the following situation. It suffices for an intransigent minority –a certain type of intransigent minorities –to reach a minutely small level, say three or four percent of the total population, for the entire population to have to submit to their preferences. Further, an optical illusion comes with the dominance of the minority: a naive observer would be under the impression that the choices and preferences are those of the majority. If it seems absurd, it is because our scientific intuitions aren’t calibrated for that (fughedabout scientific and academic intuitions and snap judgments; they don’t work and your standard intellectualization fails with complex systems, though not your grandmothers’ wisdom
     
    He goes on to give examples of how small, intolerant minorities who hold to their views get the rest of society to go along. Is this not what we are seeing with the SJWs?

    Therefore, we need to stop thinking of ourselves as just individuals and be prepared to form such intolerant groups of our own. Taleb shows it only takes an intransigent minority of 3 to 4 percent to get their way. I recall from history class that only 10 percent of the colonialists ever actively supported the Revolution.

    Most people don't want to take to the streets for the fears you mentioned. Which are legitimate. However, if you refuse to engage economically with certain corporations, people, institutions, etc., you can accomplish you goals in a more passive and anonymous manner with little risk to those items you mentioned.

    If 3 to 4 percent can force their way on society, why can't we too? After all we easily represent 25% and probably a much high figure given how most are afraid to speak their mind. We have the power economically in our hands to do what we want to do. But right now we are not organized, and too often we are being distracted and led astray by those who pretend to be on our side.

    Hell we have seen this where the leaders of the GOP get in front of something like the Tea Party only to divert the righteous anger of those voters into something else. Or how our leadership used our votes over immigration to come to power so that they could pass tax cuts and continue with the invade-the-world-invite-the-world junk so many despise.

    One thing I am taking away from the Notre Dame catastrophe is that it did help separate those who truly are on our side from the pretenders who say they are on our side, but end up diverting us. For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.

    To sum up. I think Taleb is onto something about an intolerant minority getting its way. We have the numbers and the economic clout to do as he suggests. We just lack the group cohesion.

    To sum up. I think Taleb is onto something about an intolerant minority getting its way.

    Why don’t you just ask Jack D about his opinion on who could be the major beneficiary from such a organically driven transformation that’s rapidly pilling off Red White & Blue from Weimerica’s cathedral ceilings ?

  174. Would these (((NYT types))) have the same “good riddance” response to their (((Western Wall))) being destroyed?

  175. @istevefan

    What form should the protest take, exactly?
     
    On a previous post a commenter provided me with a link to an article, 'The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority', by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.


    The best example I know that gives insights into the functioning of a complex system is with the following situation. It suffices for an intransigent minority –a certain type of intransigent minorities –to reach a minutely small level, say three or four percent of the total population, for the entire population to have to submit to their preferences. Further, an optical illusion comes with the dominance of the minority: a naive observer would be under the impression that the choices and preferences are those of the majority. If it seems absurd, it is because our scientific intuitions aren’t calibrated for that (fughedabout scientific and academic intuitions and snap judgments; they don’t work and your standard intellectualization fails with complex systems, though not your grandmothers’ wisdom
     
    He goes on to give examples of how small, intolerant minorities who hold to their views get the rest of society to go along. Is this not what we are seeing with the SJWs?

    Therefore, we need to stop thinking of ourselves as just individuals and be prepared to form such intolerant groups of our own. Taleb shows it only takes an intransigent minority of 3 to 4 percent to get their way. I recall from history class that only 10 percent of the colonialists ever actively supported the Revolution.

    Most people don't want to take to the streets for the fears you mentioned. Which are legitimate. However, if you refuse to engage economically with certain corporations, people, institutions, etc., you can accomplish you goals in a more passive and anonymous manner with little risk to those items you mentioned.

    If 3 to 4 percent can force their way on society, why can't we too? After all we easily represent 25% and probably a much high figure given how most are afraid to speak their mind. We have the power economically in our hands to do what we want to do. But right now we are not organized, and too often we are being distracted and led astray by those who pretend to be on our side.

    Hell we have seen this where the leaders of the GOP get in front of something like the Tea Party only to divert the righteous anger of those voters into something else. Or how our leadership used our votes over immigration to come to power so that they could pass tax cuts and continue with the invade-the-world-invite-the-world junk so many despise.

    One thing I am taking away from the Notre Dame catastrophe is that it did help separate those who truly are on our side from the pretenders who say they are on our side, but end up diverting us. For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.

    To sum up. I think Taleb is onto something about an intolerant minority getting its way. We have the numbers and the economic clout to do as he suggests. We just lack the group cohesion.

    bored identity strongly believes that the whole ‘being disorganized” thing has to do something with getting fired, and consequentially evicted from your home/apartment/trailer/van/cabin/tree house/…life?, every.single.time. you try to…organize.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  176. Steve

    Off topic:

    White High Schooler ran a 10.2 hundred meters recently outdoors in Texas…….Christian Coleman’s best high school hundred meters time was 10.29……..Asafa Powell’s best high school hundred meters time was 10.9……thank god his coaches put him on those Jamaican Yams….

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Mathew Boling....
  177. Of course, the really amazing thing is that the whole structure is based on Aristotle’s physics, not Newton’s!

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Of course, the really amazing thing is that the whole structure is based on Aristotle’s physics, not Newton’s!
     
    What structure?
    , @El Dato
    > Aristotle’s physics

    lolwut?

    > not Newton's

    Newton was an alchemist/mathematician, not an architect or engineer.
  178. Anonymous[931] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses
    I can only assume Second City Bureaucrat got the memory hole treatment from our betters at Twitter.

    Too bad. Loved his posts.

    @citybureaucrat was probably the best Twitter account out there.

    And just like that, it is gone.

  179. @Anon
    OT

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1118471063405383681

    One of the remarkable things about living in Japan is that you can walk everywhere without fear; at least a guy can. I cannot think of a single area where I would feel uncomfortable walking. I know that women are more vulnerable, but in my experience, this results in their being more nervous than guys are when they are walking at night, not in their choosing not to walk anywhere at night.

    Tokyo's trains stop running from central Tokyo out to the suburbs at a certain time; the last train is usually some time after midnight. People who miss their trains may take a taxi, but it's not that unusual, even for women, to just walk in the direction of their home in the wee hours of the night along the train tracks. Alternately, non-bar hoppers sometimes just wait for the first train at 5:00 a.m. or so by hanging out on the street, and this includes women.

    I can't remember being afraid to walk anywhere as a kid, but of course there were other communities in Los Angeles I didn't know about. In my neighborhood all the neighbors knew each other and each other's kids, and people noticed people who didn't belong, and I supposed "profiled" those people. We had an LAPD cop living on the block if we had questions. In Japan, despite the overall safety's being greater than in Los Angeles, neighbors keep each other at more of a distance, and don't necessarily know most of their neighbors. This works in physically packed-together spaces to preserve some privacy, but remarkably it doesn't seem to adversely affect safety.

    There is a Japanese TV show called My First Errand (in English), based on small children doing their first errands alone. This strikes me as cultural impossibility in the U.S.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    Korean TV has a similar program, I can not imagine this working in London:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tucQokT_nD8
    , @peterike
    There is a great (truly great) Japanese film called "Nobody Knows" about four young children being abandoned and just fending for themselves. Based on a true story, apparently.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408664/

    In general, every film by Hirokazu Koreeda that I've seen has been outstanding.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    This was still possible in England fifty years ago. It's still possible in small Scottish island communities, where small children play outside the home until dark, and maybe in remote rural places, of which there are fewer and fewer in England.

    I wouldn't give an eight-year old money and send them out shopping by themselves now. In the cities I wouldn't let an eight year old out alone full stop.
    , @J.Ross
    Why don't you have a seat over there?
    But seriously, this is just high-trust homogeneity. Diversity is a burden that costs us and holds us back in a million ways, and it's so indefensible that it has to be protected by goverent censorship. There should be a billboard campaign:
    What has diversity cost you today?
  180. @El Dato
    Ok, but there was supposed to be fixing going on. That's why the scaffold was there. One would actually expect to see a few dozen of workmen antsing around (a thing with European building projects: there seem to be many, as befits a central-bank fueled monetary bubble, but they also seem to be pretty empty of manpower in general, as befits a central-bank fueled monetary bubble)

    More interesting:

    1) What is the vantage point of that video?
    2) Is this really the correct time, i.e. just before the conflagration in the evening.
    2) Why was it taken in the first place? Is it like undercover Mossad Israelis taking pictures of WTC before nothing in particular happens?

    There were a few different amateur video cameras aimed at the WTC when the planes hit. I don’t think anyone has claimed those cameramen had advanced knowledge of the attack.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Except those from the "Urban Moving Systems" shell company:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHm56O2NTI

    , @dimples
    The Naudet brothers were filming an alleged gas leak with the NYC fire dept at the time of the first plane strike and were able to film the hit on the North Tower with a professional quality camera.

    It has long been recognised that the coincidences involved in this filming are numerous to the point of being astronomical. The site of the gas leak was the only site in which it was possible to get a view of the building, the traffic had to be stopped, they had to be there at the right time, the alleged gas leak which got them to the right spot at the right time turned out to be a false alarm etc etc.

    Its highly likely that the Naudet brothers were set up either knowingly or unknowingly to film the first strike. If you look at the brothers documentary film they produced later you can see the cameraman do a practice run of the film of the strike shortly before it occurs. The brothers afterwards seem to have disappeared off the radar and are now laying low.

    There are websites devoted to the issue, although like most 911 stuff are not of particularly high quality.
  181. @istevefan

    What form should the protest take, exactly?
     
    On a previous post a commenter provided me with a link to an article, 'The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority', by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.


    The best example I know that gives insights into the functioning of a complex system is with the following situation. It suffices for an intransigent minority –a certain type of intransigent minorities –to reach a minutely small level, say three or four percent of the total population, for the entire population to have to submit to their preferences. Further, an optical illusion comes with the dominance of the minority: a naive observer would be under the impression that the choices and preferences are those of the majority. If it seems absurd, it is because our scientific intuitions aren’t calibrated for that (fughedabout scientific and academic intuitions and snap judgments; they don’t work and your standard intellectualization fails with complex systems, though not your grandmothers’ wisdom
     
    He goes on to give examples of how small, intolerant minorities who hold to their views get the rest of society to go along. Is this not what we are seeing with the SJWs?

    Therefore, we need to stop thinking of ourselves as just individuals and be prepared to form such intolerant groups of our own. Taleb shows it only takes an intransigent minority of 3 to 4 percent to get their way. I recall from history class that only 10 percent of the colonialists ever actively supported the Revolution.

    Most people don't want to take to the streets for the fears you mentioned. Which are legitimate. However, if you refuse to engage economically with certain corporations, people, institutions, etc., you can accomplish you goals in a more passive and anonymous manner with little risk to those items you mentioned.

    If 3 to 4 percent can force their way on society, why can't we too? After all we easily represent 25% and probably a much high figure given how most are afraid to speak their mind. We have the power economically in our hands to do what we want to do. But right now we are not organized, and too often we are being distracted and led astray by those who pretend to be on our side.

    Hell we have seen this where the leaders of the GOP get in front of something like the Tea Party only to divert the righteous anger of those voters into something else. Or how our leadership used our votes over immigration to come to power so that they could pass tax cuts and continue with the invade-the-world-invite-the-world junk so many despise.

    One thing I am taking away from the Notre Dame catastrophe is that it did help separate those who truly are on our side from the pretenders who say they are on our side, but end up diverting us. For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.

    To sum up. I think Taleb is onto something about an intolerant minority getting its way. We have the numbers and the economic clout to do as he suggests. We just lack the group cohesion.

    For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.

    Actually, Shapiro’s tweet pretended that President Trump had suggested that the Notre Dame football team put out the fire.
    Two turds with one stone, so to speak.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It was a dumb joke sucking up to people who hate him.
    , @J.Ross
    Ah yes, the same Ben Shapiro who took a break from explaining morality to pressure a not-all-there woman into filing a false police report, hoping to derail the Trump campaign. What a prince.
  182. Anonymous[931] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB
    Of course, the really amazing thing is that the whole structure is based on Aristotle’s physics, not Newton’s!

    Of course, the really amazing thing is that the whole structure is based on Aristotle’s physics, not Newton’s!

    What structure?

  183. @Cagey Beast
    President Putin offered to send experts in restoration to assist the French with Notre Dame. They do have recent experience restoring cathedrals and churches torn down by Stalin.

    Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow:
    https://twitter.com/myrtille751/status/1118173114167451648

    They also restored the Hermitage to repair the damage during the siege of Leningrad.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I just wish the Russians would send a delegation to help the Church in France return to the Orthodox fold. Let the Bishopric of Rome sort itself out on its own schedule.
  184. @War for Blair Mountain
    Steve

    Off topic:

    White High Schooler ran a 10.2 hundred meters recently outdoors in Texas.......Christian Coleman’s best high school hundred meters time was 10.29........Asafa Powell’s best high school hundred meters time was 10.9......thank god his coaches put him on those Jamaican Yams....

    Mathew Boling….

  185. @Fun
    There is a Japanese TV show called My First Errand (in English), based on small children doing their first errands alone. This strikes me as cultural impossibility in the U.S.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k5XTZy0rA

    Korean TV has a similar program, I can not imagine this working in London:

  186. @Cagey Beast
    From Julien Dray, France's answer to Tim Wise or Mark Potok:

    "Why weren't water bombers used yesterday to put out the fire? ... The answer is obvious. Jesus doesn't know how to swim, he only knows how to walk on water."

    https://twitter.com/juliendray/status/1118249150779461637

    Wiki doesn’t specify about Julien Dray directly, but he does fall into these categories:

    French Jews
    French people of Algerian-Jewish descent
    Jewish French Politicians

    Huh, didn’t see THAT coming!

  187. @Anonymous
    Del Toro appears to be a Spaniard or Spanish descended Latin American. Harwood appears to be a WASP. There's plenty of Gothic architecture in Spain and England. I don't think their views are motivated by some sort of English or Spanish francophobia. They are however both scholars of modern architecture, which is hostile to traditional forms and progressive. There were prominent Italian Fascist intellectuals who were Italian nationalists and chauvinists and at the same time were into Futurism and wanted to do things like raze Venice, fill in its canals with cement, and build a new city. Modern architecture has an iconoclastic tendency similar to older iconoclastic movements like Puritanism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx27wa0SpN4

    Anon, the same scholars will go on and on about the mystique of Inca and Mayan ruins, that dot South America and Mexico, as wonderous marvels of ingenuity and engineering, but make no mention of the fact that they were basically slaughter platforms for human sacrifice. The Gothic Cathedrals pre date most, if not all of the Mayan and Inca ruins, but they never give praise to the engineering skills that invented the buttress and flying buttress that allow Cathedrals to have soaring arched ceilings and massive walls of leaded, stained glass. Or the bell towers that hold 13 or 15 ton bells. They denigrate their own heritage.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They denigrate it to show it is not their own, that they are global citizens and progressive, forward-looking people. Some do so out of raw ambition, most out of all-consuming status anxiety.

    We should welcome them home again.
    , @Ibound1
    This is an excellent point. The marvels of Aztec architecture are appreciated despite what they were used for. It would be racist and Eurocentric to suggest otherwise
    , @Alden
    There’s a Netflix series great civilizations. It’s mostly non European. But every European episode just has to mention that whatever it is was bested by some non European building or whatever

    The non European episodes are mostly pointing out that for every splendid European building whatever there are far far better things in non European countries

  188. @Fun
    There is a Japanese TV show called My First Errand (in English), based on small children doing their first errands alone. This strikes me as cultural impossibility in the U.S.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k5XTZy0rA

    There is a great (truly great) Japanese film called “Nobody Knows” about four young children being abandoned and just fending for themselves. Based on a true story, apparently.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408664/

    In general, every film by Hirokazu Koreeda that I’ve seen has been outstanding.

    • Agree: Kylie
  189. @Fun
    There is a Japanese TV show called My First Errand (in English), based on small children doing their first errands alone. This strikes me as cultural impossibility in the U.S.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k5XTZy0rA

    This was still possible in England fifty years ago. It’s still possible in small Scottish island communities, where small children play outside the home until dark, and maybe in remote rural places, of which there are fewer and fewer in England.

    I wouldn’t give an eight-year old money and send them out shopping by themselves now. In the cities I wouldn’t let an eight year old out alone full stop.

  190. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    OT

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1118471063405383681

    One of the remarkable things about living in Japan is that you can walk everywhere without fear; at least a guy can. I cannot think of a single area where I would feel uncomfortable walking. I know that women are more vulnerable, but in my experience, this results in their being more nervous than guys are when they are walking at night, not in their choosing not to walk anywhere at night.

    Tokyo's trains stop running from central Tokyo out to the suburbs at a certain time; the last train is usually some time after midnight. People who miss their trains may take a taxi, but it's not that unusual, even for women, to just walk in the direction of their home in the wee hours of the night along the train tracks. Alternately, non-bar hoppers sometimes just wait for the first train at 5:00 a.m. or so by hanging out on the street, and this includes women.

    I can't remember being afraid to walk anywhere as a kid, but of course there were other communities in Los Angeles I didn't know about. In my neighborhood all the neighbors knew each other and each other's kids, and people noticed people who didn't belong, and I supposed "profiled" those people. We had an LAPD cop living on the block if we had questions. In Japan, despite the overall safety's being greater than in Los Angeles, neighbors keep each other at more of a distance, and don't necessarily know most of their neighbors. This works in physically packed-together spaces to preserve some privacy, but remarkably it doesn't seem to adversely affect safety.

    Young women often had curfews though. And their dating lives were generally supervised to an extent by parents. Women were often not allowed in men’s dorms, there wasn’t the sort of casual dating and cohabitation we have today, etc.

  191. @dearieme
    "the France that never was — a non-secular, white European France": what madness inspires him to think it never existed? It really was truly Roman Catholic - why, they slaughtered Albigensians and Protestants by the thousands and tens of thousands.

    "one of the few remaining wonders of medieval architecture": oh balls. France and England, for example, are littered with fine Gothic buildings.

    We’ve had our differences, dearie, but you’re very much on the ball here. England, France and Western Europe generally are littered with fine Gothic and other mediaeval buildings. A fair number are little altered.
    By contrast, Notre Dame de Paris had been considerably altered during the 17th and 18th Centuries, thoroughly mangled during the French Revolution, ending up as a warehouse. It was then semi-derelict until Louis-Phillipe authorised the restoration of Lassus and Viollet-le-Duc.
    What is most admired by modern visitors is the Gothic Revival work of the restoration. It is a great loss, but not in the same class as the loss of reasonably intact mediaeval buildings.
    Since 1905 it is has been owned by the French State, so any restoration will be up to Macron et cie.
    I am not hopeful, and would rather Notre Dame were preserved as a ruined National Monument.

  192. @Anon

    There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.
     
    Like Sir Christopher Wren, architect of St. Paul's? I guess he was ahead of his time?

    https://dianadarke.com/2019/04/16/the-heritage-of-notre-dame-less-european-than-people-think/

    What we today call the Gothic arch, prevalent in Notre Dame and in all the great cathedrals of Europe, was an architectural design first seen in the Ibn Tulun Mosque in Cairo and passed via Amalfi merchants to Sicily. With their advanced knowledge of geometry and the laws of statics Muslims developed both the horseshoe (also known as Moorish) arch (first seen in the Damascus Umayyad Mosque then further developed by the Umayyads in Andalusia in the Great Mosque of Cordoba) and the pointed arch to give more height than the classical arch. The first building to use them in Europe was the Abbey of Monte Cassino in 1071, financed by Amalfi merchants. It then moved north to the Church of Cluny which boasted 150 pointed arches in its aisles. The fashion quickly spread from these, two of the most influential churches in Europe, as this pointed ‘Gothic’ arch was stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and the Normans, so allowed the construction of bigger, taller, grander and more complex buildings like the great cathedrals of Europe.

    Other borrowings from Muslim designs, also to be found in Notre Dame, include ribbed vaulting (traced to the 8th century Abbasid Palace of Ukhaydar in Iraq), rose windows (first seen at the 8th century Umayyad palace of Khirbat Mafjar (Hisham’s Palace) in the West Bank near Jericho, and the spire (which collapsed so spectacularly on Notre Dame as the timber roof gave way beneath it). The first known spire is on the Umayyad Mosque of Damascus, built in the early 8th century.

    In England the first ever spire was on top of St Paul’s Cathedral in 1221. It was destroyed in the Great Fire of London then rebuilt in 1710 by Sir Christopher Wren, an avowed admirer of Muslim architecture who conducted an extensive comparative study of Gothic, Moorish and Ottoman styles. “The Goths,” he said, “were rather destroyers than builders: I think it should with more reason be called the Saracen (Arab Muslim) style.” The combination of dome and tower in his masterpiece of St Paul’s, together with the structure of the domes in the aisles, shows this strong Muslim influence, also clearly visible in Notre Dame.
     

    Anon, weren’t the Roman aqueducts and bridges built with arches ? A pointed arch would just be a stylistic variant of the Roman arch.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    No, the load distribution is different, so it's pretty tricky.
  193. @Anon

    There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.
     
    Like Sir Christopher Wren, architect of St. Paul's? I guess he was ahead of his time?

    https://dianadarke.com/2019/04/16/the-heritage-of-notre-dame-less-european-than-people-think/

    What we today call the Gothic arch, prevalent in Notre Dame and in all the great cathedrals of Europe, was an architectural design first seen in the Ibn Tulun Mosque in Cairo and passed via Amalfi merchants to Sicily. With their advanced knowledge of geometry and the laws of statics Muslims developed both the horseshoe (also known as Moorish) arch (first seen in the Damascus Umayyad Mosque then further developed by the Umayyads in Andalusia in the Great Mosque of Cordoba) and the pointed arch to give more height than the classical arch. The first building to use them in Europe was the Abbey of Monte Cassino in 1071, financed by Amalfi merchants. It then moved north to the Church of Cluny which boasted 150 pointed arches in its aisles. The fashion quickly spread from these, two of the most influential churches in Europe, as this pointed ‘Gothic’ arch was stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and the Normans, so allowed the construction of bigger, taller, grander and more complex buildings like the great cathedrals of Europe.

    Other borrowings from Muslim designs, also to be found in Notre Dame, include ribbed vaulting (traced to the 8th century Abbasid Palace of Ukhaydar in Iraq), rose windows (first seen at the 8th century Umayyad palace of Khirbat Mafjar (Hisham’s Palace) in the West Bank near Jericho, and the spire (which collapsed so spectacularly on Notre Dame as the timber roof gave way beneath it). The first known spire is on the Umayyad Mosque of Damascus, built in the early 8th century.

    In England the first ever spire was on top of St Paul’s Cathedral in 1221. It was destroyed in the Great Fire of London then rebuilt in 1710 by Sir Christopher Wren, an avowed admirer of Muslim architecture who conducted an extensive comparative study of Gothic, Moorish and Ottoman styles. “The Goths,” he said, “were rather destroyers than builders: I think it should with more reason be called the Saracen (Arab Muslim) style.” The combination of dome and tower in his masterpiece of St Paul’s, together with the structure of the domes in the aisles, shows this strong Muslim influence, also clearly visible in Notre Dame.
     

    Emperor Justinian’s architects would like to have a word or two with you.

  194. @Twinkie
    What is wrong with people such as this? Even if not Catholic, do they not appreciate what is beautiful? Why are they so hate-filled that they relish in the destruction of that which is priceless?

    My “want-to-go-full-Francoist” shoots up to the roof when I read such mindless philistinism. Reminds me of the Taliban who dynamited the Bamian statue.

    Repeat after me: General-Pinochet-did-nothing-wrong!

  195. @Andy
    yes, there's anti-white racism among whites as virtue-signaling, but anti-white racism among blacks and latinos is basically resentment for belonging to an inferior civilization

    Most latinos came here to be part of this civilization and most black families have been here longer than our own and rightfully consider themselves part as well.

    Black and Latino elites(sic) are as fucked up as White ones and for many of the same reasons.

  196. @Anon
    OT

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1118471063405383681

    One of the remarkable things about living in Japan is that you can walk everywhere without fear; at least a guy can. I cannot think of a single area where I would feel uncomfortable walking. I know that women are more vulnerable, but in my experience, this results in their being more nervous than guys are when they are walking at night, not in their choosing not to walk anywhere at night.

    Tokyo's trains stop running from central Tokyo out to the suburbs at a certain time; the last train is usually some time after midnight. People who miss their trains may take a taxi, but it's not that unusual, even for women, to just walk in the direction of their home in the wee hours of the night along the train tracks. Alternately, non-bar hoppers sometimes just wait for the first train at 5:00 a.m. or so by hanging out on the street, and this includes women.

    I can't remember being afraid to walk anywhere as a kid, but of course there were other communities in Los Angeles I didn't know about. In my neighborhood all the neighbors knew each other and each other's kids, and people noticed people who didn't belong, and I supposed "profiled" those people. We had an LAPD cop living on the block if we had questions. In Japan, despite the overall safety's being greater than in Los Angeles, neighbors keep each other at more of a distance, and don't necessarily know most of their neighbors. This works in physically packed-together spaces to preserve some privacy, but remarkably it doesn't seem to adversely affect safety.

    Anon, Born in 1946, and I remember hitch hiking to the beaches on the Canadian shores of Lake Erie. Driver, would let you out on the American side of the Peace Bridge, we would check through Customs,walk across the bridge and begin hitching again. My mom used to send me or my brother to our local Loblaws Store, a bus ride away, no problem. Big difference? Cops on foot patrol or on Harley trikes, seemed so damned secure.

  197. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, the same scholars will go on and on about the mystique of Inca and Mayan ruins, that dot South America and Mexico, as wonderous marvels of ingenuity and engineering, but make no mention of the fact that they were basically slaughter platforms for human sacrifice. The Gothic Cathedrals pre date most, if not all of the Mayan and Inca ruins, but they never give praise to the engineering skills that invented the buttress and flying buttress that allow Cathedrals to have soaring arched ceilings and massive walls of leaded, stained glass. Or the bell towers that hold 13 or 15 ton bells. They denigrate their own heritage.

    They denigrate it to show it is not their own, that they are global citizens and progressive, forward-looking people. Some do so out of raw ambition, most out of all-consuming status anxiety.

    We should welcome them home again.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Desi, or self hate, which has been brainwashed into them.
  198. @Macumazahn

    For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.
     
    Actually, Shapiro's tweet pretended that President Trump had suggested that the Notre Dame football team put out the fire.
    Two turds with one stone, so to speak.

    It was a dumb joke sucking up to people who hate him.

  199. @J.Ross
    But Ari, rabbis sodomize boys too, but synagogues are so consistently screamingly ugly. Are pedo rabbis like some kind of sadist?

    J, Is there a really attractive Synagogue ? Buffalo has Temple Beth Zion, a modern piece of architecture, with stained glass windows, but it looks like an inverted Jello mold, truely.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Frank Lloyd Wright did one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_Sholom_Congregation_(Elkins_Park,_Pennsylvania)#/media/File:Beth_Sholom.jpg
    , @J.Ross
    There are beautiful synagogues, there's one in New York; they sensibly rip off the best Christian styles.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/New_West_End_Synagogue_exterior.JPG/1200px-New_West_End_Synagogue_exterior.JPG
    http://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_ControlFaceDetect/390113
    There was an apolitical, not anti-Semitic blogger named bionic octopus, who got into trouble for observing the ugliness of synagogues. His main example was a concrete plate shaped like a Magen David had been used for a throwing star and half-buried in the ground.
    The ugliest synagogue ever was the one in Prague which may have influenced Kafka to hate life. It looks like the headquarters of a cartoon bad guy designed by a six year old.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Prague_Praha_2014_Holmstad_Den_gammelnye_synagogen.JPG/1200px-Prague_Praha_2014_Holmstad_Den_gammelnye_synagogen.JPG
    , @Alden
    There’s a beautiful one in Los Angeles Wiltshire blvd Temple. It’s actually a copy of a famous Roman Temple. I believe it’s open for tourism by appointment or on certain days. Neighborhood went way way down so local Jews fled. Neighborhood is now Koreatown and on the way up. Many Whites are moving into the old elegant spacious apartments with real kitchens and living rooms. Maybe it will have a congregation again soon.

    At the other end of the block is St Basil’s church, a hideous example of 1960 hideous horrendous horrible brutalist architecture. Quite a contrast in Architecture styles

    There’s a very pretty Arab style old synagogue in San Francisco

    I’m further west, near Wilshire blvd synagogue row. They are all fortresses, no windows or just arrow slits on the street side high 3 story fortress walls so the anti semites of Beverly Hills and Bel Air can’t instigate pogroms
    , @Lot
    Here’s a pretty one in Savannah.

    https://www.visitsavannah.com/article/visit-the-only-gothic-synagogue-north-america

    Synagogues tend to be too square shaped and not have the “soaring” quality of the best churches.

    Here are nice ones in Sydney and Rome.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Great_Synagogue_of_Rome.jpg/851px-Great_Synagogue_of_Rome.jpg

    https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4134/4943501642_3b991c1e5e_b.jpg
    , @Alden
    All religious buildings built after 1950 are hideous horrendous horrible abominations just like all post 1950 buildings

    The new 1960s catholic cathederal in San Francisco is locally known as the washing machine building. It’s a big white round thing. Out of the roof sticks what I guess is a spire that looks exactly like the dasher thing in the middle of a top loading washing machine.

    The new catholic cathedral in Los Angeles is totally S California vernacular architecture; if you can call a big beige Walmart style box architecture. It even has on some office windows the ugliest window coverings ever invented, those dollar store white vertical blinds. Interior is Aztec decorations I’ve been told. I’ve parked in its garage and eaten lunch in the protected courtyard wonderful

    The garage is the only one right in the civic center that has hourly and daily parking. The rest are all monthly parking. So it’s a wonderful service to the community. Otherwise it’s park a couple miles away in the daily hourly lots in the ghastly skid row that surrounds the civic center

    The many courtyards are surrounded by very tall walls so all you can see is the sky, trees and a few 40 story buildings. It’s great to eat lunch relax chat with a friend high up away from belching buses and cars traffic noises and the skid row life of the civic center.

    The cafeteria is immensely popular and profitable because customers can enjoy trees, sky amd be spared the horrible traffic noise and fumes and skid row life of the civic center.
  200. @Twinkie
    What is wrong with people such as this? Even if not Catholic, do they not appreciate what is beautiful? Why are they so hate-filled that they relish in the destruction of that which is priceless?

    My “want-to-go-full-Francoist” shoots up to the roof when I read such mindless philistinism. Reminds me of the Taliban who dynamited the Bamian statue.

    Twinkie, In my youth, these were the guys that I backhanded off a barstool. Amazing that they can find awe in the pile of blocks that are the pyramids and Mayan ruins, and can’t see the splendor in a Cathedral, any Cathedral.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    But the Mayan ruins and the Pyramids were built with skills so far not reached and technologies so far unknown, and possibly got some help from Aliens!!

    (Just joking - they are just heaps of stones, nicely arranged, that cost a lot to build)

  201. @Buffalo Joe
    J, Is there a really attractive Synagogue ? Buffalo has Temple Beth Zion, a modern piece of architecture, with stained glass windows, but it looks like an inverted Jello mold, truely.

    Frank Lloyd Wright did one.

  202. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    I just assumed Notre Dame Cathedral would be something the whole world would have considered as a treasure. Yes, I expected a few hard core jihadi types to relish the destruction, or to even take credit for it. But I was surprised by the reaction. It was sort of like how I assumed everyone thought Mother Teresa was a good person, but then was shocked at how Christopher Hitchens tore her apart.

    Along those lines here is a sick tweet, since deleted, but someone put up a screen capture to save it for posterity.

    https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1118565961592975362

    He’s made a lot more obnoxious and offensive material about other groups than this Catholic rape joke. You wouldn’t protest material like the following sketch. You’d probably attack criticism of it as being politically correct and opposed to free speech or something:

  203. A mainstream news source mentioned that they will never be able to rebuild the cathedral as it was originally designed.

    They cut down all the trees in france with “genetics” for taller growth. I presume mostly for ships to build the empire.

    Very allegorical. It’s almost like living things aren’t always interchangeable cogs.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6928635/Notre-Dame-cathedral-rebuilt-exactly-way.html

    The height of trees is determined by a number of factors, such as competition from its neighbours, environmental conditions, the availability of the right nutrients and also the genetics of the tree.

    Certain individual trees within a species are likely to have genetics that allow them the grow taller than others.

    If you remove the largest trees with these genetic predispositions, then only the smaller trees are left to pollinate.”

    As I recall, there was some study done about taller soldiers in the various european wars being preferred, but also obviously more likely to get shot….

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>They cut down all the trees in france with “genetics” for taller growth. I presume mostly for ships to build the empire.

    Glulam will do just fine.
  204. @advancedatheist
    Notre Dame shows the power of a low time preference. Generations of artisans worked on it, with most of them knowing that they would never live to see the fruition of their efforts. I can't think of any comparable project now, unless you compare it to Elon Musk's fantasy of colonizing and terriforming Mars.

    The generations of artisans who worked on Notre Dame probably lacked the historical context in which to consider their labor. I would guess if they thought about it as anything other than a way to earn their bread, it was that it gave glory to God.

    The great landscape architects like André Le Nôtre and Capability Brown were more likely take the long view as a matter of course.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Not true. They knew they were working on century long projects. Why wouldn’t they know it if the project started 200 years before they began work and it still want finished when they retired? A lot depended on money. As the money was raised more sections could be completed.

    I think one of the Italian ones Milan maybe? Took about 600 years to complete. The dome of Florence cathedral wasn’t started till Bruneschulli figured out a double dome. A smaller one supporting the bigger outer one would work. .

    Capability Browns trees were planted and have died in less time than it took to build most cathedrals

    The workers knew they worked on centuries long projects. How could they not when the incomplete project was centuries old when they started as 12 yr old gofers and if they lived long enough retired at 60? Or kept drawing and designing till death at 75?

    I know, I know, all builders and construction workers from Kaufman and Broad to Peter Kiewit and Bechtel are ignorant blue collar morons unlike cubicle coolies who are soooo well educated.

    When did architects start going to college 1870? How in the world did buildings get designed and built before architectural degrees? Couldn’t have been done by blue collar workers using the simplest geometry and techniques taught by their predecessors.
  205. @Wilkey
    Keep in mind that guy's not just some random Twitter troll. He's a professor at Harvard University, our nation's "finest" institution of higher learning.

    Wilkey, Suggest burning down the library at Harvard and see what happens.

  206. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, the same scholars will go on and on about the mystique of Inca and Mayan ruins, that dot South America and Mexico, as wonderous marvels of ingenuity and engineering, but make no mention of the fact that they were basically slaughter platforms for human sacrifice. The Gothic Cathedrals pre date most, if not all of the Mayan and Inca ruins, but they never give praise to the engineering skills that invented the buttress and flying buttress that allow Cathedrals to have soaring arched ceilings and massive walls of leaded, stained glass. Or the bell towers that hold 13 or 15 ton bells. They denigrate their own heritage.

    This is an excellent point. The marvels of Aztec architecture are appreciated despite what they were used for. It would be racist and Eurocentric to suggest otherwise

  207. @Buffalo Joe
    J, Is there a really attractive Synagogue ? Buffalo has Temple Beth Zion, a modern piece of architecture, with stained glass windows, but it looks like an inverted Jello mold, truely.

    There are beautiful synagogues, there’s one in New York; they sensibly rip off the best Christian styles.http://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_ControlFaceDetect/390113
    There was an apolitical, not anti-Semitic blogger named bionic octopus, who got into trouble for observing the ugliness of synagogues. His main example was a concrete plate shaped like a Magen David had been used for a throwing star and half-buried in the ground.
    The ugliest synagogue ever was the one in Prague which may have influenced Kafka to hate life. It looks like the headquarters of a cartoon bad guy designed by a six year old.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    J, (Like Men in Black) I often stop at churches, go in, reflect for a bit, admire the interior and leave after a short prayer. I could see myself stopping at this synagogue in NY. probably would have realized it wasn't a Christian church when I walked in. Are Jews welcoming to strangers in their inter sanctums?
    , @Dieter Kief
    This picture of the Synagogue in Prague shows an esthetical nightmare, you're absolutely right. Whether Kafka has written something about it?
  208. @Desiderius
    They denigrate it to show it is not their own, that they are global citizens and progressive, forward-looking people. Some do so out of raw ambition, most out of all-consuming status anxiety.

    We should welcome them home again.

    Desi, or self hate, which has been brainwashed into them.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Self-haters aren’t smug.
  209. @Fun
    There is a Japanese TV show called My First Errand (in English), based on small children doing their first errands alone. This strikes me as cultural impossibility in the U.S.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k5XTZy0rA

    Why don’t you have a seat over there?
    But seriously, this is just high-trust homogeneity. Diversity is a burden that costs us and holds us back in a million ways, and it’s so indefensible that it has to be protected by goverent censorship. There should be a billboard campaign:
    What has diversity cost you today?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    high-trust homogeneity
     
    Just high-trust, period. 100% Somali isn’t going to have it.

    On the other hand, say, 50% Swedish + 50% Japanese area is going to be pretty high-trust, maybe even more than 100% Swedish.
  210. @Macumazahn

    For example, the Ben Shapiro tweet during the middle of the conflagration in which he advised the authorities to use the Notre Dame football team to put out the flames comes to mind.
     
    Actually, Shapiro's tweet pretended that President Trump had suggested that the Notre Dame football team put out the fire.
    Two turds with one stone, so to speak.

    Ah yes, the same Ben Shapiro who took a break from explaining morality to pressure a not-all-there woman into filing a false police report, hoping to derail the Trump campaign. What a prince.

  211. Montreal has a beautiful, historic Notre Dame Cathedral as well

    A Muslim “politician” has joked about burning it down

    She also said the Paris fire was divine retribution

  212. @Ibound1
    He studies the architecture of Latin America. But oddly he lives in Cambridge. I wonder what the plumbing was like in his “informal structures” in Cuba. I suspect not quite up to the standard of his Massachusetts home.

    Inbound, I know I am beating a dead horse but compare Machu Pichu, a pyramid of stone blocks, no windows and no interior spaces to any Cathedral. No comparison.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Lol! Yes, Machu Pichu crossed my mind, too, this week.
    , @Redneck farmer
    More like beating a dead Peruvian, but you're right!
  213. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease
    If the "Muslim" examples of these architectural forms date to circa 8th century (viz., very early in the Arab/Islamic expansion) then it is actually very likely that these "discoveries" were actually the work of the Syrian and Hellenic Christians who lived in places like Damascus when the Muslims conquered it. It's fairly well known that many of the early Islamic buildings were the work of recently-conquered Christian craftsmen. But I'm not a scholar of the period, simply looking at the historical chess position; if anyone has better information feel free to correct. It's known, however, that Syrians were much in demand as architects and builders in the ancient world, and I'm rather skeptical that the Arabs of that period knew more about geometry than the Greeks. IIRC, the great "Roman" architect Vitruvius was actually a Syrian.

    You’re on the right track; in fact, it seems like the “early Islamic architecture” that blog post extols may actually be more European – or at least more Greco-Roman – than the author may be willing to admit.

    In the East, Byzantine architectural tradition exerted a profound influence on early Islamic architecture. During the Umayyad Caliphate era (661-750), as far as the Byzantine impact on early Islamic architecture is concerned, the Byzantine artistic heritage formed a fundamental source to the new Islamic art, especially in Syria and Palestine. There are considerable Byzantine influences which can be detected in the distinctive early Islamic monuments in Syria and Palestine, as on the Dome of the Rock (691) at Jerusalem, the Umayyad Mosque (709–715) at Damascus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_architecture

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I mean, this shouldn't be shocking. Just like their Germanic counterparts in the West, the Arabs didn't have much of a history of organized statehood before getting into contact with Rome.

    Many of the prominent early Muslims had deep connections to Byzantium, most probably already being Christian or professing some other kind of monotheism before they discovered the Prophet. The Banu Umayya clan that would preside over the calcification of what we now know as Islam was one example: they got rich from real estate in Syria. Other early Arab commanders were probably long-time hired guns for Rome-again, not too dissimilar from the Germans who would bring down the West-before, out of work after the Great War and alienated from their bosses, they got into contact with Muhammad and his budding apocalyptic monotheist community.

    Though if we look at the whole of it, it'd be Persia that most influenced the Islamic World, I'd reckon. If Christianity can be thought of as the child of Greek thinking and Jewish origins, Islam is a half-brother with the same Jewish mother, but a Persian father.

  214. @Cagey Beast
    From Julien Dray, France's answer to Tim Wise or Mark Potok:

    "Why weren't water bombers used yesterday to put out the fire? ... The answer is obvious. Jesus doesn't know how to swim, he only knows how to walk on water."

    https://twitter.com/juliendray/status/1118249150779461637

    Cagey, thank you for this post. I shouldn’t say this during Holy week, but I would love to slap Dray across his face. Let him be snarky about Mohamed.

  215. @Tusk
    O/T: Twitter and SPLC no longer 'safety partners'. The SPLC's problems are seemingly more than just leadership issues?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-17/twitter-drops-splc-safety-partner-while-facebook-google-amazon-remain-silent

    NPR finally mentioned SPLC’s woes, in all but paid damage control style, exclusively in terms of an honorable institution burdened by worthless evil straight men who, after all, only, you know, built it.

  216. @SFG
    Just take the 'White or Huwhyte' (what's with the 'hu') out of that and you've got human nature, I think.

    ‘huWhite’ is how Jared Taylor pronounces ‘white’:

    and it means, colloquially, European white, non-Jewish white. Which is ironic because JT himself has no problem with / makes no distinction between, Jews and gentile whites – “They look huwhite to me!”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ‘huWhite’ is how Jared Taylor pronounces ‘white’:
     
    In other words, properly. That's what the H is there for.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_%E2%9F%A8wh%E2%9F%A9


    https://www.ling.upenn.edu/phono_atlas/maps/Map8.GIF


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCXAYBi9HU&feature=youtu.be

    https://youtu.be/RyCXAYBi9HU

    Jared was taught by Canadians in Japan. Do they pronounce it that way, too? I haven't noticed.

    Mathematician Michael Starbird does it too, though it's less pronounced in this commencement speech at Pomona College:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otrgi2We9VM


    https://youtu.be/RyCXAYBi9HU
  217. I’m so depressed about this. It feels like a bad omen. Perhaps some good may come of it, as the Europeans see that only they will preserve European heritage.

  218. @Change that Matters

    "The equivalent today would be some abomination by Ephraim Owen Goldberg and his ilk."
     

    Didn’t know that. Thanks.

  219. @Buffalo Joe
    Twinkie, In my youth, these were the guys that I backhanded off a barstool. Amazing that they can find awe in the pile of blocks that are the pyramids and Mayan ruins, and can't see the splendor in a Cathedral, any Cathedral.

    But the Mayan ruins and the Pyramids were built with skills so far not reached and technologies so far unknown, and possibly got some help from Aliens!!

    (Just joking – they are just heaps of stones, nicely arranged, that cost a lot to build)

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    El, weekly "Ancient Aliens" breathlessly describes how massive stone blocks, weighing up to 10 tons, were used to build some MezoAmerican temple, but never guestion how European builders managed to raise a 15 ton bronze bell up into a 140 foot bell tower, before Machu Pichu was built.
  220. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, weren't the Roman aqueducts and bridges built with arches ? A pointed arch would just be a stylistic variant of the Roman arch.

    No, the load distribution is different, so it’s pretty tricky.

  221. @JimB
    Of course, the really amazing thing is that the whole structure is based on Aristotle’s physics, not Newton’s!

    > Aristotle’s physics

    lolwut?

    > not Newton’s

    Newton was an alchemist/mathematician, not an architect or engineer.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Most of the cathedrals were built centuries before Newton.
  222. @istevefan
    I just assumed Notre Dame Cathedral would be something the whole world would have considered as a treasure. Yes, I expected a few hard core jihadi types to relish the destruction, or to even take credit for it. But I was surprised by the reaction. It was sort of like how I assumed everyone thought Mother Teresa was a good person, but then was shocked at how Christopher Hitchens tore her apart.

    Along those lines here is a sick tweet, since deleted, but someone put up a screen capture to save it for posterity.

    https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1118565961592975362

    Not deleted. Still there.

  223. Just want to point out owner founder Jann Wenner of Rolling Stone is a Jew.

  224. Anonymous[931] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast
    From Julien Dray, France's answer to Tim Wise or Mark Potok:

    "Why weren't water bombers used yesterday to put out the fire? ... The answer is obvious. Jesus doesn't know how to swim, he only knows how to walk on water."

    https://twitter.com/juliendray/status/1118249150779461637

    Is Dray Christian?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    No, he's not. He's Jewish.
  225. @Buffalo Joe
    J, Is there a really attractive Synagogue ? Buffalo has Temple Beth Zion, a modern piece of architecture, with stained glass windows, but it looks like an inverted Jello mold, truely.

    There’s a beautiful one in Los Angeles Wiltshire blvd Temple. It’s actually a copy of a famous Roman Temple. I believe it’s open for tourism by appointment or on certain days. Neighborhood went way way down so local Jews fled. Neighborhood is now Koreatown and on the way up. Many Whites are moving into the old elegant spacious apartments with real kitchens and living rooms. Maybe it will have a congregation again soon.

    At the other end of the block is St Basil’s church, a hideous example of 1960 hideous horrendous horrible brutalist architecture. Quite a contrast in Architecture styles

    There’s a very pretty Arab style old synagogue in San Francisco

    I’m further west, near Wilshire blvd synagogue row. They are all fortresses, no windows or just arrow slits on the street side high 3 story fortress walls so the anti semites of Beverly Hills and Bel Air can’t instigate pogroms

  226. @C. ThunderCock
    I like to view iSteve as the place for boomers (or boomers-in-spirit) who've been mugged by reality. They can see the truth and utility of proactive white ethnic identity and comunity, race realism, immigration control, etc. but they're still stuck in the boomercon mentality of the opposing side as being basically well-intentioned but misled. You can see this even in Steve himself; shallow commentary on the personalities and motivations of elite democrats, or even silly conjecture that rabidly anti-white blacks like Jordan Peele are secret conservatives.

    What most of the commentariat here have failed to grasp is that the better part of the progressive left (minus cynical opportunists) and the globohomo elite who control them are just genuinely horrible, evil, black hearted people. They want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny. They don't hate the beauty of Notre Dame just as a symbol of the Faith and nation who produced that beauty; they also hate it merely because it is beautiful. As a faithful man and a Christian, I can recognize the beauty of the works of art and architecture of buddhists, muslims, or even primitive pagans, because even if they were meant to pay respect to a bankrupt and false religion, they are genuine manifestations of beauty and man's thirst for God. But these people hate goodness and beauty for it's own sake, and spread ugliness wherever they go, because there is only ugliness left within them. Modern art and architecture isn't just ugly hipsterism, it's the soul-sucking worship of ugliness and inhumanity.

    You can see it even in their politics; even in praising and agitating on behalf of blacks/muslims/whatever isn't white or Christian, they can feign concern for the well-being of others only when it comes with the side effect of hurting the people they hate. They can only stand the appearance of goodness as an avenue with which to advance evil. For the majority of normie leftwing-by-default people this isn't true, but of the elite and their media mouthpieces it 100% is, they're not good people with bad politics, they're bad people who want to do evil things for the sake of doing evil (while gaining wealth and power for themselves). You shouldn't expect them to be good or decent, ever. Because they're not.

    Good stuff.

  227. @MarkinLA
    They also restored the Hermitage to repair the damage during the siege of Leningrad.

    I just wish the Russians would send a delegation to help the Church in France return to the Orthodox fold. Let the Bishopric of Rome sort itself out on its own schedule.

  228. @Cagey Beast
    A webcam video has apparently surfaced showing a large flash of light in front of someone on the scaffolding of Notre Dame a little after 5 PM.

    Run this through the translator of your choice:

    https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2019/04/18/d-ou-vient-la-video-montrant-un-flash-de-lumiere-sur-le-toit-de-notre-dame-avant-l-incendie_1722145

    Here's the webcam footage itself:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190418032744/https://filmssite.viewsurf.com/paris02/11/22/media_1555340708.mp4

    The flash happens near the 20 sec mark.

    Doesn’t tell us much because there is only an hourly capture from XX:05 to XX:06, in this case from 17:05 to 17:06. There were 12 workers from Europe Échafaudage. They left the roof at 17:20 and closed the site at 17:50.

    Les ouvriers ont quitté le toit de Notre-Dame à 17h20

    Contacté par CheckNews, le gestionnaire de crise engagé par Europe Échafaudage, l’entreprise qui réalisait les travaux, indique que 12 ouvriers travaillaient ce jour-là sur le montage des échafaudages à Notre-Dame et que «le dernier ouvrier a quitté le chantier, après extinction de l’électricité à 17h50. Ils ont quitté le toit vers 17h20». Selon toute vraisemblance, les silhouettes aperçues dans les vidéos (y compris celle filmée à 17h05, mais plus sur celle de 18h05), sont donc des ouvriers employés par Europe Échafaudage.

    I wonder where the camera is though. It seems to be quite a distance away to the SSW.

  229. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AriShaffir/status/1118319246210035712

    Yes, but those boys you get wholesale an excellent price for to make the shmura matzah. Gut yontif!

  230. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://beliotblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/marcel-duchamp-urinal-r-mutt-fountain-1917.jpg

    And so it begins.

    Even Macron saying they will rebuild it "more beautiful than ever," or some such thing, is missing the point. Some of the 800 year old craftsmanship is gone forever. The only right thing to do is to recreate it as faithfully as possible, in memory of what was.

    It’s going to look like the Obama Presidential Center, isn’t it? Hell, it might even become the Obama Presidential Center. What better place for the Citizen of The World Light-worker than the City of Lights?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    By the way, is the Obama Presidential Library going to have a section detailing how his administration weaponized of the CIA and FBI against an opposing presidential candidate and continued to do so even after he was elected president? That would be fascinating. Will Obama ever give an in-depth interview on his role in this?

    The Nixon Library has an exhibit on the Watergate scandal, but the Powers that Be have determined that admitting your faults and having them attached permanently to your record is not for Democrats. Especially black ones.

  231. @Lot
    Way too late:

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/society/2018/5/19/meet-sheffields-first-somali-mayor-magid-magid

    Nah:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-47241568

    February 14, 2019: “Sheffield Lord Mayor Magid Magid to step down”

    From Wikipedia:

    Magid joined the Green Party of England and Wales in 2014, despite many of his family and friends being Labour Party supporters. He decided to join the party having been affected by the rise of UKIP as a political force in England. On UKIP, he has said that they were “competent at being evil” and “exploited people’s disengagement with politics and their frustration.” He worked with the existing Green Party councillors in Broomhill and Sharrow Vale, and was elected as Fundraising Officer of the Sheffield Green Party. He was elected as a Green councillor representing the ward in the 2016 election. He has said that, regarding his political rise, “There’s a lot of luck involved.”

    As a councillor, Magid has sat on the Safer and Stronger Communities Scrutiny and Policy Committee and on the Senior Officer Employment Committee. Between his election and 1 June 2018, he had attended 90% of all meetings, and given apologies for all of his absences. He has said that his main priorities as a councillor are to establish strong partnerships between the students and residents living in his ward as well as protecting conservation areas in the ward. Politically, Magid is a republican, stating that he believes hereditary heads of state to be an outdated concept, but that he personally believes the members of the royal family are not objectionable. He has also stated support for greater devolution, free university education, and an end to private finance initiatives.

    Magid ran the Sheffield Half Marathon in April 2017 dressed as a tree to object to the council’s felling policies. He ran the London Marathon in 2017 to raise money for St John Ambulance. He was chosen by Sheffield City Council to serve as Deputy Lord Mayor from May 2017 to May 2018. He was not present for his inauguration ceremony as he was filming the show Hunted. In October 2017, Magid was shortlisted for the Young Councillor of the Year award as part of the LGiU and CCLA’s Councillor Achievement Awards. In May 2018, Magid raised money for Sheffield war memorial by leading a static cycling challenge.

    In February 2019, Magid announced that he would not be contesting the Sheffield City Council election, 2019 and would therefore be standing down as a councillor. In April, he announced that he would be seeking nomination as a Green Party candidate for the European Parliament elections 2019.

    My Goodness. Sounds like an agreeable fellow, though a bit dissolute and with a rebel streak. Also, a bit weak on the subject of economics.

  232. @Buffalo Joe
    J, Is there a really attractive Synagogue ? Buffalo has Temple Beth Zion, a modern piece of architecture, with stained glass windows, but it looks like an inverted Jello mold, truely.

    Here’s a pretty one in Savannah.

    https://www.visitsavannah.com/article/visit-the-only-gothic-synagogue-north-america

    Synagogues tend to be too square shaped and not have the “soaring” quality of the best churches.

    Here are nice ones in Sydney and Rome.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The squarish, boxy synagogue-type is a hangover from ancient Middle East building types. The synagogue on the bottom is obviously borrowing from European church models, and I bet ten to one that the architect they hired was a Christian. Not too many Jews go into architecture.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Lot, Thank you, I love to learn, and especially from our one Biblically named commenter.
  233. @Cagey Beast
    'Finally': Swedish Liberal Journo Roasted for Rejoicing Over Burning Notre Dame
    While most of his compatriots joined France in mourning the terrible loss of the 800-year-old cathedral, expressing sorrow and dismay, Expressen journalist and novelist Alex Schulman had a somewhat different approached to the tragedy and reacted with glee.
    https://sputniknews.com/viral/201904171074205958-swedish-journalist-notre-dame/

    Yeah, you guessed it: according to Wikipedia, that journalist's father "was editor in chief for the Jewish magazine Menorah".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Schulman

    Catholic religion was illegal in Sweden from about 1530 to 1870s. I’m surprised the Lutheran communist Muslim loving Swedes aren’t all rejoicing that the symbol of Catholicism European culture crusader against Muslim invasion and colonialism had a destructive fire.

  234. @Dave Pinsen
    There were a few different amateur video cameras aimed at the WTC when the planes hit. I don’t think anyone has claimed those cameramen had advanced knowledge of the attack.

    Except those from the “Urban Moving Systems” shell company:

  235. @Lot
    Here’s a pretty one in Savannah.

    https://www.visitsavannah.com/article/visit-the-only-gothic-synagogue-north-america

    Synagogues tend to be too square shaped and not have the “soaring” quality of the best churches.

    Here are nice ones in Sydney and Rome.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Great_Synagogue_of_Rome.jpg/851px-Great_Synagogue_of_Rome.jpg

    https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4134/4943501642_3b991c1e5e_b.jpg

    The squarish, boxy synagogue-type is a hangover from ancient Middle East building types. The synagogue on the bottom is obviously borrowing from European church models, and I bet ten to one that the architect they hired was a Christian. Not too many Jews go into architecture.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Not too many Jews go into architecture.
     
    Why don't they?
  236. @Anonymous
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ingmar_Bergman

    "People ask what are my intentions with my films — my aims. It is a difficult and dangerous question, and I usually give an evasive answer: I try to tell the truth about the human condition, the truth as I see it. This answer seems to satisfy everyone, but it is not quite correct. I prefer to describe what I would like my aim to be. There is an old story of how the cathedral of Chartres was struck by lightning and burned to the ground. Then thousands of people came from all points of the compass, like a giant procession of ants, and together they began to rebuild the cathedral on its old site. They worked until the building was completed — master builders, artists, labourers, clowns, noblemen, priests, burghers. But they all remained anonymous, and no one knows to this day who built the cathedral of Chartres.
    Regardless of my own beliefs and my own doubts, which are unimportant in this connection, it is my opinion that art lost its basic creative drive the moment it was separated from worship. It severed an umbilical cord and now lives its own sterile life, generating and degenerating itself. In former days the artist remained unknown and his work was to the glory of God. He lived and died without being more or less important than other artisans; 'eternal values,' 'immortality' and 'masterpiece' were terms not applicable in his case. The ability to create was a gift. In such a world flourished invulnerable assurance and natural humility. Today the individual has become the highest form and the greatest bane of artistic creation.
    The smallest wound or pain of the ego is examined under a microscope as if it were of eternal importance. The artist considers his isolation, his subjectivity, his individualism almost holy. Thus we finally gather in one large pen, where we stand and bleat about our loneliness without listening to each other and without realizing that we are smothering each other to death. The individualists stare into each other's eyes and yet deny the existence of each other.
    We walk in circles, so limited by our own anxieties that we can no longer distinguish between true and false, between the gangster's whim and the purest ideal. Thus if I am asked what I would like the general purpose of my films to be, I would reply that I want to be one of the artists in the cathedral on the great plain. I want to make a dragon's head, an angel, a devil — or perhaps a saint — out of stone. It does not matter which; it is the sense of satisfaction that counts.
    Regardless of whether I believe or not, whether I am a Christian or not, I would play my part in the collective building of the cathedral."

    “The smallest wound or pain of the ego is examined under a microscope as if it were of eternal importance.”

    What was true of the degenerate artists of Bergman’s day is now true of everyone, and is treated by all as the highest good.

    The self-consumed artist produces nothing of value, while the self-consumed average man produces nothing at all, not even progeny.

    Thus has our doom been sealed.

  237. Anon[236] • Disclaimer says:

    The examples in this article are white people. In fact, most of the people with this view which you characterize as resentment and who promote it in the media are white people. Obviously your intention isn’t to point to a bunch of white people. Your aim is to suggest that most non-whites have this view or something to that effect. But there’s not much evidence of this and most people with this view are other white people. This suggests that what motivates a post like this has less to do with making an objective point, and more to do with expressing and promoting a sense of in-group solidarity and out-group hostility, which is fine but is just a passive-aggressive and lame way of doing it.

  238. Whoa, be careful, that guy might be Saudi royalty

    Rapefugee with fake age strangled German teen who refused gay sex

    The media states he is 14 but has you can see from the picture he is as tall as the policemen arresting him, so his age is probably fake.

    He strangled his 13 year old school buddy who didn’t want to be [sodomized] by him.

    https://www.bild.de/regional/ruhrgebiet/ruhrgebiet-aktuell/auftakt-in-totschlagsprozess-von-wenden-mitschueler-erwuergt-weil-er-keinen-sex-61327538.bild.html

    https://postimg.cc/6TLjt1fr

  239. @Kylie
    The generations of artisans who worked on Notre Dame probably lacked the historical context in which to consider their labor. I would guess if they thought about it as anything other than a way to earn their bread, it was that it gave glory to God.

    The great landscape architects like André Le Nôtre and Capability Brown were more likely take the long view as a matter of course.

    Not true. They knew they were working on century long projects. Why wouldn’t they know it if the project started 200 years before they began work and it still want finished when they retired? A lot depended on money. As the money was raised more sections could be completed.

    I think one of the Italian ones Milan maybe? Took about 600 years to complete. The dome of Florence cathedral wasn’t started till Bruneschulli figured out a double dome. A smaller one supporting the bigger outer one would work. .

    Capability Browns trees were planted and have died in less time than it took to build most cathedrals

    The workers knew they worked on centuries long projects. How could they not when the incomplete project was centuries old when they started as 12 yr old gofers and if they lived long enough retired at 60? Or kept drawing and designing till death at 75?

    I know, I know, all builders and construction workers from Kaufman and Broad to Peter Kiewit and Bechtel are ignorant blue collar morons unlike cubicle coolies who are soooo well educated.

    When did architects start going to college 1870? How in the world did buildings get designed and built before architectural degrees? Couldn’t have been done by blue collar workers using the simplest geometry and techniques taught by their predecessors.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Despite what you apparently think, my post was not the snooty classist comment you take it for. You've never had to work really hard physically for really long hours just to avoid going hungry, have you? It concentrates the mind to an extraordinary degree. And I know my experience of hard physical labor was nowhere near as arduous that of cathedral workers.

    "I know, I know, all builders and construction workers from Kaufman and Broad to Peter Kiewit and Bechtel are ignorant blue collar morons unlike cubicle coolies who are soooo well educated."

    I didn't say that, you did. And all your shoddy attempts to attribute it to me by inference don't change that fact.

    I've wasted enough time on your woeful ignorance and cheap tactics. I won't bother replying to you again.
  240. @istevefan
    I just assumed Notre Dame Cathedral would be something the whole world would have considered as a treasure. Yes, I expected a few hard core jihadi types to relish the destruction, or to even take credit for it. But I was surprised by the reaction. It was sort of like how I assumed everyone thought Mother Teresa was a good person, but then was shocked at how Christopher Hitchens tore her apart.

    Along those lines here is a sick tweet, since deleted, but someone put up a screen capture to save it for posterity.

    https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1118565961592975362

    That tweet is gone from Twitter but he’s not. No surprise there.

  241. @Buffalo Joe
    Desi, or self hate, which has been brainwashed into them.

    Self-haters aren’t smug.

  242. @black sea

    The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.
     
    All buildings convey meaning of some sort -- even a warehouse tells us something something about the primacy of efficiency and abundance in a mass production society. Given what Notre Dame is, and the purposes for which it was built, why wouldn't it have acquired, over its long span of history, layer upon layer of meaning, and sometimes, admittedly, contradictory associations?

    What is curious is that he describes Notre Dame as having been "overburdened with meaning." Why characterize meaning as a burden, and, to probe a bit further, why describe Notre Dame as "overburdened"? Does it conveys too much meaning, too various a range of meanings? Is its meaning both too antiquated and too overpowering for the maintenance of our equilibrium?

    Why is its burning a liberation, and from what are we being liberated? Meaning? Do we, in the contemporary moment, really need relief from meaning? Couldn't one argue that liberation from meaning is the great spiritual -- or if you prefer, psychological -- malady of our age?

    Finally, notice his use of the past tense, "The building was so overburdened . . . " The building isn't overburdened anymore, so his use of the past tense would imply, because the building doesn't really exist anymore. What we have now is a ruin stripped of meaning.

    And this from an architectural historian.

    Of course a Third World AA pet “academic” like Patrick (sorry, Patricio) from a Spanish colony would feel “overburdened” by the experience of a building that he senses represents a long history of “meaning” that he knows is far beyond anything his culture’s ability to fully understand let alone create.

    PoMo bullshittery inculcated over many years immunizes the student against any appreciation of high culture, European or otherwise.

  243. Does anyone remember a few years ago there was a black woman who went to marble Greek statues and splashed paint on them? It was because of a media report saying that the original Greek statues had been painted. The implication was that marble Greek statues perpetuate white supremacy.

  244. @advancedatheist
    Notre Dame shows the power of a low time preference. Generations of artisans worked on it, with most of them knowing that they would never live to see the fruition of their efforts. I can't think of any comparable project now, unless you compare it to Elon Musk's fantasy of colonizing and terriforming Mars.

    https://www.espanolavanzado.com/significados/1525-huir-huida-hacia-adelante

    Flight to the future, more or less.

    Or in “Galaxy Quest” terms…

    Never give up. Never surrender.

  245. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AriShaffir/status/1118319246210035712

    Hilarious.

  246. @densa
    Re: OT. The DOJ is finally busting the legalized drug dealers that the FDA was supposed to stopped a long time ago:

    In one case, a doctor who is alleged to have been at one time the highest prescriber of controlled substances in the state, and several pharmacists are charged with operating an alleged “pill mill” in Dayton, Ohio.  According to the indictment, between October 2015 and October 2017 alone, the pharmacy allegedly dispensed over 1.75 million pills. 

     

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/appalachian-regional-prescription-opioid-arpo-strike-force-takedown-results-charges-against

    These are the 'folks' Obama and his black DOJ ignored because the right people were being ethnically cleansed and still are, currently at the rate of 130 a day. Thank you Trump and Barr, but don't stop at retail.

    Much better people who suffer from chronic pain get their meds on the street than from doctors and pharmacies. You drug warriors will have a special place in hell. Chronic pain is criminally under treated in the USA today, because of government actions like this.

    • Replies: @densa
    Misplaced anger. The stupidity preventing people who need prescriptions getting them has nothing to do with the government conspiring with drug companies to create addiction.
    , @Alden
    The anti drug warriors are cubicle coolies who’ve never even washed their cars let alone ever worked a physical labor job in their lives.

    Fortunately physician is a physical labor job, especially surgeons. By the time they’re 50 they suffer from the same herniated spinal discs bad hips knees and feet in addition to bursitis and neck problems their miner farmer construction patients suffer from.

    Here’s how pain works.

    A nerve carries the pain impulse from the injury site to the brain. The brain sends pain back to the injury site.

    Vicodin morphine and other opioids break the pain impulse for several hours and a person can work and make a living and keep up pension and social security payments rather than living off the taxpayers on meager $600 to $900 a month disability payments

    So whadda ya want? A nation of poverty stricken men on meager disability on the taxpayer?

    Or a nation of people working and contributing to social security and their 401ks and pensions taking 2 or 3 doses of Vicodin a day so they can continue working?

    Ooo ooo say the Puritan cubicle coolies. Vicodin is addictive. Well so is morning wake up coffee and tea, afternoon coffee and tea nail biting, overeating, alchocol cigarettes, bitching and nagging sloppiness and many other things.

    The entire anti pain killer thing is just another Puritan busybody buttinski crusade like prohibition global warming and hate Whites and all our works.

    My opinions come from middle aged and older physicians and surgeons who both suffer the same pain as their patients and need the same meds as their patients, not some hysterical Puritan busybody snob.
  247. It is hard to keep up with all the posts and comments, and I hope my VDARE donation went through without having the credit card company block it, but here are two very Steve-related topics:

    NASA Twins Study Explores Space, the Final Genetic Frontier

    NYC Chinese eatery heats up cultural appropriation debate

  248. Looks like the beautiful exterior other than the non-ancient spire survived just fine.

    Pic from today.

  249. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, the same scholars will go on and on about the mystique of Inca and Mayan ruins, that dot South America and Mexico, as wonderous marvels of ingenuity and engineering, but make no mention of the fact that they were basically slaughter platforms for human sacrifice. The Gothic Cathedrals pre date most, if not all of the Mayan and Inca ruins, but they never give praise to the engineering skills that invented the buttress and flying buttress that allow Cathedrals to have soaring arched ceilings and massive walls of leaded, stained glass. Or the bell towers that hold 13 or 15 ton bells. They denigrate their own heritage.

    There’s a Netflix series great civilizations. It’s mostly non European. But every European episode just has to mention that whatever it is was bested by some non European building or whatever

    The non European episodes are mostly pointing out that for every splendid European building whatever there are far far better things in non European countries

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Alden, Thank you and there are beautiful non European structures, but none that I can think of rivals the Gothic Cathedrals. Ok, the Taj Mahal, is splendid, but all of the pyramid shaped structures around the globe are basically stone blocks piled high and wide...as in, the higher the top, the wider the base.
  250. @SFG
    Just take the 'White or Huwhyte' (what's with the 'hu') out of that and you've got human nature, I think.

    Whites don’t seem to want to dominate anyone. Does that mean they lack human nature?

  251. @Buffalo Joe
    Inbound, I know I am beating a dead horse but compare Machu Pichu, a pyramid of stone blocks, no windows and no interior spaces to any Cathedral. No comparison.

    Lol! Yes, Machu Pichu crossed my mind, too, this week.

  252. @CCZ
    Meanwhile, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said he will open the redesign of the Notre Dame cathedral's historic spire to "an international architecture competition."

    He said: 'The international competition will allow us to ask the question of whether we should even recreate the spire as it was conceived by Viollet-le-Duc.

    'Or whether, as is often the case during the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire that reflects the techniques and challenges of our era.'

    “Should we reconstruct an arrow? The same? Adapted to the techniques and challenges of our time? An international architecture competition for the reconstruction of the cathedral spire will be organized," French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe wrote on Twitter Wednesday.

    This might be the time for the Yellow Vests to take both names and appropriate action against any and all who want it rebuilt as anything other than a Christian, Catholic Church.

  253. @Anon

    There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.
     
    Like Sir Christopher Wren, architect of St. Paul's? I guess he was ahead of his time?

    https://dianadarke.com/2019/04/16/the-heritage-of-notre-dame-less-european-than-people-think/

    What we today call the Gothic arch, prevalent in Notre Dame and in all the great cathedrals of Europe, was an architectural design first seen in the Ibn Tulun Mosque in Cairo and passed via Amalfi merchants to Sicily. With their advanced knowledge of geometry and the laws of statics Muslims developed both the horseshoe (also known as Moorish) arch (first seen in the Damascus Umayyad Mosque then further developed by the Umayyads in Andalusia in the Great Mosque of Cordoba) and the pointed arch to give more height than the classical arch. The first building to use them in Europe was the Abbey of Monte Cassino in 1071, financed by Amalfi merchants. It then moved north to the Church of Cluny which boasted 150 pointed arches in its aisles. The fashion quickly spread from these, two of the most influential churches in Europe, as this pointed ‘Gothic’ arch was stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and the Normans, so allowed the construction of bigger, taller, grander and more complex buildings like the great cathedrals of Europe.

    Other borrowings from Muslim designs, also to be found in Notre Dame, include ribbed vaulting (traced to the 8th century Abbasid Palace of Ukhaydar in Iraq), rose windows (first seen at the 8th century Umayyad palace of Khirbat Mafjar (Hisham’s Palace) in the West Bank near Jericho, and the spire (which collapsed so spectacularly on Notre Dame as the timber roof gave way beneath it). The first known spire is on the Umayyad Mosque of Damascus, built in the early 8th century.

    In England the first ever spire was on top of St Paul’s Cathedral in 1221. It was destroyed in the Great Fire of London then rebuilt in 1710 by Sir Christopher Wren, an avowed admirer of Muslim architecture who conducted an extensive comparative study of Gothic, Moorish and Ottoman styles. “The Goths,” he said, “were rather destroyers than builders: I think it should with more reason be called the Saracen (Arab Muslim) style.” The combination of dome and tower in his masterpiece of St Paul’s, together with the structure of the domes in the aisles, shows this strong Muslim influence, also clearly visible in Notre Dame.
     

    WRONG! This was all stolen from Wakanda, the cradle of civilization.

  254. @stillCARealist
    Aren't the Yellow Vests still protesting? Are they still vandalizing traffic cameras? That to me feels like a reaction to the loss of traditional France.

    I wonder what the Yellow Vests will do this Saturday given what happened on Monday.

    • Replies: @Helo
    They ought to have a bigger showing than ever and co-opt notre dame to their cause.
  255. @advancedatheist
    Notre Dame shows the power of a low time preference. Generations of artisans worked on it, with most of them knowing that they would never live to see the fruition of their efforts. I can't think of any comparable project now, unless you compare it to Elon Musk's fantasy of colonizing and terriforming Mars.

    The building doesn’t need restoration as much as the congregation does. The country was overrun by bad ideas way before the hordes; in fact, it had to go that way. The church consists mainly of bodies and books. A building is secondary.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/04/17/it-is-not-only-notre-dame-burning-it-is-all-of-western-civilization/

  256. @Whiskey
    Steve I think you are coming around to the proposition that White or Huwhyte people either dominate and oppress others or they themselves get dominated and oppressed if not exterminated.

    There is no middle ground.

    Steve I think you are coming around to the proposition that White or Huwhyte people either dominate and oppress others or they themselves get dominated and oppressed if not exterminated.

    Or that defensible borders around mono-ethnic nation states lead to a stable world order.

  257. “an idealized Christian European France that arguably never existed in the first place.”

    Oh, an idealized concept may not have existed. What sophisticated analysis…Wait, isn’t that what idealized means?

    Why is “European” necessary? We may doubt whether France was * really* Christian, but there can be no doubt France is on the continent of Europe. (Assuming you don’t deny Europe is its own continent.) Or are we supposed to think its majority population was always born outside Europe?

  258. @istevefan
    I wonder what the Yellow Vests will do this Saturday given what happened on Monday.

    They ought to have a bigger showing than ever and co-opt notre dame to their cause.

  259. The old city of stone and faith is breathtaking. The Eiffel Tower is and always was an eyesore. Like the World Trade Center of Paris. Modernity sucks.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It's gaining on post-modernity tho.
  260. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AriShaffir/status/1118319246210035712

    Uh, caring about your victims’ aesthetic expirience of rape is something, I guess. Better than making them stare at modern art.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  261. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1117906541225463808

    “literally used for tourism”

    Plus, ya know, that whole worshipping God thing. What’s that called again? Bapholicism?

  262. @advancedatheist
    Notre Dame shows the power of a low time preference. Generations of artisans worked on it, with most of them knowing that they would never live to see the fruition of their efforts. I can't think of any comparable project now, unless you compare it to Elon Musk's fantasy of colonizing and terriforming Mars.

    I can’t think of any comparable project now

    La Sagrada Família in Barcelona has been under construction for 137 years now, but is nearing structural completion. Decoration will follow, and it should all be done by 2032.

  263. @Buffalo Joe
    J, Is there a really attractive Synagogue ? Buffalo has Temple Beth Zion, a modern piece of architecture, with stained glass windows, but it looks like an inverted Jello mold, truely.

    All religious buildings built after 1950 are hideous horrendous horrible abominations just like all post 1950 buildings

    The new 1960s catholic cathederal in San Francisco is locally known as the washing machine building. It’s a big white round thing. Out of the roof sticks what I guess is a spire that looks exactly like the dasher thing in the middle of a top loading washing machine.

    The new catholic cathedral in Los Angeles is totally S California vernacular architecture; if you can call a big beige Walmart style box architecture. It even has on some office windows the ugliest window coverings ever invented, those dollar store white vertical blinds. Interior is Aztec decorations I’ve been told. I’ve parked in its garage and eaten lunch in the protected courtyard wonderful

    The garage is the only one right in the civic center that has hourly and daily parking. The rest are all monthly parking. So it’s a wonderful service to the community. Otherwise it’s park a couple miles away in the daily hourly lots in the ghastly skid row that surrounds the civic center

    The many courtyards are surrounded by very tall walls so all you can see is the sky, trees and a few 40 story buildings. It’s great to eat lunch relax chat with a friend high up away from belching buses and cars traffic noises and the skid row life of the civic center.

    The cafeteria is immensely popular and profitable because customers can enjoy trees, sky amd be spared the horrible traffic noise and fumes and skid row life of the civic center.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The inside of the newish L.A. cathedral is pleasantly serene, although the hanging lamps were unfortunate. The outside though ... On the bright side, the cathedral looks perhaps fortified enough to withstand the flamethrower blasts from the Japanese robot from outer space menacing it from across the 101 freeway:

    https://twitter.com/steve_sailer/status/1018748021259919361?lang=en

    , @Anonymous
    The virtue of modern architectural styles isn't that they look good, but that they're quick and cheap to erect.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Alden, thank you, I used to love to visit SF, but not anymore.
    , @Mr. Anon

    The new 1960s catholic cathederal in San Francisco is locally known as the washing machine building. It’s a big white round thing. Out of the roof sticks what I guess is a spire that looks exactly like the dasher thing in the middle of a top loading washing machine.
     
    It does look remarkably like a washing machine agitator. I've heard the place referred to as the Cathedral of Sister Mary Maytag.
    , @Anonymous
    The modernist Liverpool, (UK), RC Cathedral is colloquially known as 'Paddy's Wig-Wam'.
  264. In my experience there is no question that non-whites, in particular blacks, have developed an inferiority complex in the face of the overwhelming contribution by white Europeans to world culture, and to science and technology, and this often fills them with a sort of nihilistic rage. (On the other hand, the same state of mind I dare say might provide some kind of constructive impetus to many young Indians and Orientals who feel they have something to prove, and have the talent to prove it.)

    Furthermore, for black women, who like most women don’t pay much attention to science and technology and probably don’t even realise that discoveries such as “how to generate electricity” were the outcome of a slow and difficult collaboration of white male scientists, for black women, the realisation that they are not desired by most men, and certainly not by white men, is a very painful one that fills them too with a sort of nihilistic rage.

    In my opinion having these sorts of people around is not very conducive to a peaceful and prosperous society.

    • Replies: @anon

    Furthermore, for black women, who like most women don’t pay much attention to science and technology and probably don’t even realise that discoveries such as “how to generate electricity” were the outcome of a slow and difficult collaboration of white male scientists, for black women, the realisation that they are not desired by most men, and certainly not by white men, is a very painful one that fills them too with a sort of nihilistic rage.
     
    if i'm a black woman reading this ^^ i've now got all kinds of nihilistic rage
  265. @Macumazahn
    Maybe some of you folks who participate in "social media" can get it started.
    #WhiteManStrike66
    On 6/6/2019 none of us White men do any work of any kind.
    Take a vacation day or call in sick if you have to, but no White man does any work that day. Someone asks you to do something, anything at all, give them the finger - or simply ignore them. Do something else, anything else - play a round of golf, tinker with your motorcycle, have a barbecue, get drunk with your friends, whatever - but no productive work gets done at all. No planes get piloted. No buses get driven. No classes get taught. No fires get fought. The honey-do list gets flushed down the toilet, and if the toilet overflows, that's just too damn bad. Lots of blacks will support a one-day suspension of White law-enforcement - until they discover exactly what the law has been protecting them from for the last 150 years.
    Let the world turn without us White men for just one day, and every damned one of them will be groveling at our feet.
    #WhiteManStrike66

    I’m in. Maybe call it W-Way.

  266. @Cagey Beast
    To see the video at archive.org, follow the link in the body of the story at Liberation. Control F for this: "Celle de 17h05 a aussi été enregistrée sur Archive.org. Ce sont bien ces images qui circulent sur le Net".

    Or try this link without the asterisks:
    https*://web.archive.org/web/20190418032744/https://filmssite.viewsurf.com/paris02/11/22/media_1555340708.*mp4

    Looks like you’ve had too much to think.

    On a related note, Corvinus showed back up today to hock some Mueller horseshit. Check must have cleared.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I'm just passing on a story from one of France's main media outlets. If you want to wait for more curated coverage of this event then feel free to do so.
    , @anon

    On a related note, Corvinus showed back up today to hock some Mueller horseshit. Check must have cleared.
     
    corbinus, what's the other one - redsomething2, elitcomm - all the shills are here
  267. @guest
    The old city of stone and faith is breathtaking. The Eiffel Tower is and always was an eyesore. Like the World Trade Center of Paris. Modernity sucks.

    It’s gaining on post-modernity tho.

  268. @Alden
    All religious buildings built after 1950 are hideous horrendous horrible abominations just like all post 1950 buildings

    The new 1960s catholic cathederal in San Francisco is locally known as the washing machine building. It’s a big white round thing. Out of the roof sticks what I guess is a spire that looks exactly like the dasher thing in the middle of a top loading washing machine.

    The new catholic cathedral in Los Angeles is totally S California vernacular architecture; if you can call a big beige Walmart style box architecture. It even has on some office windows the ugliest window coverings ever invented, those dollar store white vertical blinds. Interior is Aztec decorations I’ve been told. I’ve parked in its garage and eaten lunch in the protected courtyard wonderful

    The garage is the only one right in the civic center that has hourly and daily parking. The rest are all monthly parking. So it’s a wonderful service to the community. Otherwise it’s park a couple miles away in the daily hourly lots in the ghastly skid row that surrounds the civic center

    The many courtyards are surrounded by very tall walls so all you can see is the sky, trees and a few 40 story buildings. It’s great to eat lunch relax chat with a friend high up away from belching buses and cars traffic noises and the skid row life of the civic center.

    The cafeteria is immensely popular and profitable because customers can enjoy trees, sky amd be spared the horrible traffic noise and fumes and skid row life of the civic center.

    The inside of the newish L.A. cathedral is pleasantly serene, although the hanging lamps were unfortunate. The outside though … On the bright side, the cathedral looks perhaps fortified enough to withstand the flamethrower blasts from the Japanese robot from outer space menacing it from across the 101 freeway:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The inside of the newish L.A. cathedral is pleasantly serene, although the hanging lamps were unfortunate. The outside though …
     
    I've heard the same about Gehry's Disney Hall-- wonderful acoustics inside, horrific optics outside.


    Architecture for the blind.


    The exteriorly sterile Seagram Building is supposed to be quite impressive once you get inside:


    On completion in 1958, the $41 million construction costs of Seagram made it the world's most expensive skyscraper at the time, due to the use of expensive, high-quality materials and lavish interior decoration including bronze, travertine, and marble.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagram_Building
     

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, that Cathedral is constructed of Leggos, Right?
    , @Alden
    OMG, so that’s what that building is!! You can see it from one of the lunch courtyards.
    The old catholic cathederal was a beautiful gray gothic with big flights of steps front garden and very open to passers by as was customary in churches built in 1880. By 1950 it was surrounded by a hideous black skid row with the Union Reacue Mission right next store.

    All downtown buildings since 1970 have the fortress architecture. Some hotels it’s difficult to find the entrance just fortress walls to keep skid row at bay.
    , @Dieter Kief

    Here's the Los Angeles Cathedral (on the left) being attacked by the flamethrower-wielding Japanese Robot from Outer Space High School across the Hollywood Freeway in downtown L.A.:
     
    Would have been a beautiful remark in a contemporary novel otherwise - now that I see, that your observation is real, all that's left is to say thanks for sharing - your picture and your thoughts about it.

    (This is the kind of emblemtic stuff, which deeply chracterises our mentality. - - - And which is usually referred to as - ehem - Walter Benjamin stuff - - - (by all those, who don't know this blog, at least...).
  269. @Buffalo Joe
    Inbound, I know I am beating a dead horse but compare Machu Pichu, a pyramid of stone blocks, no windows and no interior spaces to any Cathedral. No comparison.

    More like beating a dead Peruvian, but you’re right!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Red, Ok, a dead Llama.
  270. I would like to repeat an observation made by someone years ago when some libtard mentioned the ruins in South America and some part of Africa as indicative of great civilisations.

    To wit: How do we know about these former civilisations? Who were the people that went to these remote places and carried out the excavations? Lo and behold, white European men were behind it. The natives to these regions had no interest. White men dug up the relics, did all the research, and wrote the books. Nothing would be known about these antiquities were it not for white men.

  271. @Cagey Beast
    From Julien Dray, France's answer to Tim Wise or Mark Potok:

    "Why weren't water bombers used yesterday to put out the fire? ... The answer is obvious. Jesus doesn't know how to swim, he only knows how to walk on water."

    https://twitter.com/juliendray/status/1118249150779461637

    Regardless of taste or lack of it, that doesn’t even make sense as a joke.

  272. @J.Ross
    There are beautiful synagogues, there's one in New York; they sensibly rip off the best Christian styles.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/New_West_End_Synagogue_exterior.JPG/1200px-New_West_End_Synagogue_exterior.JPG
    http://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_ControlFaceDetect/390113
    There was an apolitical, not anti-Semitic blogger named bionic octopus, who got into trouble for observing the ugliness of synagogues. His main example was a concrete plate shaped like a Magen David had been used for a throwing star and half-buried in the ground.
    The ugliest synagogue ever was the one in Prague which may have influenced Kafka to hate life. It looks like the headquarters of a cartoon bad guy designed by a six year old.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Prague_Praha_2014_Holmstad_Den_gammelnye_synagogen.JPG/1200px-Prague_Praha_2014_Holmstad_Den_gammelnye_synagogen.JPG

    J, (Like Men in Black) I often stop at churches, go in, reflect for a bit, admire the interior and leave after a short prayer. I could see myself stopping at this synagogue in NY. probably would have realized it wasn’t a Christian church when I walked in. Are Jews welcoming to strangers in their inter sanctums?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Almost all do tours or have school group visits but might be (understandably) skittish about some totally random unscheduled visit.
    , @Alden
    They're mostly locked up unless there's a service or event going on.

    I see what you mean about churches being a nice place to rest and relax for a while. A Jewish friend was a NYC actress for a long time. She was always running about during the day from auditions to class to meetings. Men were always bothering her. So she used to go into churches to rest, relax, do paperwork and be safe from lechers in coffee shops and everywhere. She loves churches for that reason.
  273. @CCZ
    Meanwhile, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said he will open the redesign of the Notre Dame cathedral's historic spire to "an international architecture competition."

    He said: 'The international competition will allow us to ask the question of whether we should even recreate the spire as it was conceived by Viollet-le-Duc.

    'Or whether, as is often the case during the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire that reflects the techniques and challenges of our era.'

    “Should we reconstruct an arrow? The same? Adapted to the techniques and challenges of our time? An international architecture competition for the reconstruction of the cathedral spire will be organized," French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe wrote on Twitter Wednesday.

    A minaret, natch. The ‘bayonet of Islam.’

  274. @otherstuff
    A mainstream news source mentioned that they will never be able to rebuild the cathedral as it was originally designed.

    They cut down all the trees in france with "genetics" for taller growth. I presume mostly for ships to build the empire.

    Very allegorical. It's almost like living things aren't always interchangeable cogs.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6928635/Notre-Dame-cathedral-rebuilt-exactly-way.html


    The height of trees is determined by a number of factors, such as competition from its neighbours, environmental conditions, the availability of the right nutrients and also the genetics of the tree.

    Certain individual trees within a species are likely to have genetics that allow them the grow taller than others.

    If you remove the largest trees with these genetic predispositions, then only the smaller trees are left to pollinate."
     

    As I recall, there was some study done about taller soldiers in the various european wars being preferred, but also obviously more likely to get shot....

    >>They cut down all the trees in france with “genetics” for taller growth. I presume mostly for ships to build the empire.

    Glulam will do just fine.

    • Replies: @otherstuff
    Sure. So would steel, or concrete and rebar.

    Highly engineered modern solutions.

    I am fairly sure that we don't have a human equivalent to that though. Maybe the chinese will soon.
  275. @El Dato
    But the Mayan ruins and the Pyramids were built with skills so far not reached and technologies so far unknown, and possibly got some help from Aliens!!

    (Just joking - they are just heaps of stones, nicely arranged, that cost a lot to build)

    El, weekly “Ancient Aliens” breathlessly describes how massive stone blocks, weighing up to 10 tons, were used to build some MezoAmerican temple, but never guestion how European builders managed to raise a 15 ton bronze bell up into a 140 foot bell tower, before Machu Pichu was built.

    • Replies: @JimB

    El, weekly “Ancient Aliens” breathlessly describes how massive stone blocks, weighing up to 10 tons, were used to build some MezoAmerican temple, but never guestion how European builders managed to raise a 15 ton bronze bell up into a 140 foot bell tower, before Machu Pichu was built.
     
    The Aztecs pushed some rocks into a pile that looks like a stair case. The thing practically built itself. Hardly a proof of an advanced civilization.
  276. @The Cruncher
    'huWhite' is how Jared Taylor pronounces 'white':

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOjocDM_Lbo

    and it means, colloquially, European white, non-Jewish white. Which is ironic because JT himself has no problem with / makes no distinction between, Jews and gentile whites - "They look huwhite to me!".

    ‘huWhite’ is how Jared Taylor pronounces ‘white’:

    In other words, properly. That’s what the H is there for.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_%E2%9F%A8wh%E2%9F%A9

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCXAYBi9HU&feature=youtu.be

    Jared was taught by Canadians in Japan. Do they pronounce it that way, too? I haven’t noticed.

    Mathematician Michael Starbird does it too, though it’s less pronounced in this commencement speech at Pomona College:

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Stewie Griffin pronounces "wh" like the older lady.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmqJQ-nc_s
  277. @Thirdtwin
    It's going to look like the Obama Presidential Center, isn't it? Hell, it might even become the Obama Presidential Center. What better place for the Citizen of The World Light-worker than the City of Lights?

    By the way, is the Obama Presidential Library going to have a section detailing how his administration weaponized of the CIA and FBI against an opposing presidential candidate and continued to do so even after he was elected president? That would be fascinating. Will Obama ever give an in-depth interview on his role in this?

    The Nixon Library has an exhibit on the Watergate scandal, but the Powers that Be have determined that admitting your faults and having them attached permanently to your record is not for Democrats. Especially black ones.

  278. @Lot
    Here’s a pretty one in Savannah.

    https://www.visitsavannah.com/article/visit-the-only-gothic-synagogue-north-america

    Synagogues tend to be too square shaped and not have the “soaring” quality of the best churches.

    Here are nice ones in Sydney and Rome.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Great_Synagogue_of_Rome.jpg/851px-Great_Synagogue_of_Rome.jpg

    https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4134/4943501642_3b991c1e5e_b.jpg

    Lot, Thank you, I love to learn, and especially from our one Biblically named commenter.

  279. @Steve Sailer
    The inside of the newish L.A. cathedral is pleasantly serene, although the hanging lamps were unfortunate. The outside though ... On the bright side, the cathedral looks perhaps fortified enough to withstand the flamethrower blasts from the Japanese robot from outer space menacing it from across the 101 freeway:

    https://twitter.com/steve_sailer/status/1018748021259919361?lang=en

    The inside of the newish L.A. cathedral is pleasantly serene, although the hanging lamps were unfortunate. The outside though …

    I’ve heard the same about Gehry’s Disney Hall– wonderful acoustics inside, horrific optics outside.

    Architecture for the blind.

    The exteriorly sterile Seagram Building is supposed to be quite impressive once you get inside:

    On completion in 1958, the $41 million construction costs of Seagram made it the world’s most expensive skyscraper at the time, due to the use of expensive, high-quality materials and lavish interior decoration including bronze, travertine, and marble.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagram_Building

    • Replies: @Alden
    The outside of Disney Hall is covered with like huge stainless steel sails sort of Sidney Opera House things. But the stainless steel sails heat the sidewalk and area up to 140F degrees in summer. Air conditioning bill inside must be huge. Culver City High School in West Los Angeles has a sort of modified Sydney opera house high school auditorium. It's worth looking at if youre in the area.

    Frank Gehry and that Johnson guy Phillip should have never been allowed to design any building whatsoever. Worst thing about the 3 sided glass floor to ceiling house of Johnson's is that it is in Connecticut. 7 months of winter looking out into the snow slush and barren trees through 3 sides of glass. And the winter heat bill. If someone gave that house to me I'd only accept if they also gave me the funds to destroy it and build something more appropriate for 7 months of winter New England.
    The place looks like a 1960's Mac Donald's, 3 walls of glass and back wall for the kitchen and counter.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Gehry's Disney Hall in downtown L.A. isn't terrible on the outside. Gehry bought a CAD software package for sailboats and used it to design a big steel abstract sculpture to go around the boxy building. The sculpture has a pleasantly nautical flavor due to its software roots in designing sailboats. Sailboats always look nice.

    The worst thing about the Disney Hall is the cramped lobby.

  280. @Alden
    All religious buildings built after 1950 are hideous horrendous horrible abominations just like all post 1950 buildings

    The new 1960s catholic cathederal in San Francisco is locally known as the washing machine building. It’s a big white round thing. Out of the roof sticks what I guess is a spire that looks exactly like the dasher thing in the middle of a top loading washing machine.

    The new catholic cathedral in Los Angeles is totally S California vernacular architecture; if you can call a big beige Walmart style box architecture. It even has on some office windows the ugliest window coverings ever invented, those dollar store white vertical blinds. Interior is Aztec decorations I’ve been told. I’ve parked in its garage and eaten lunch in the protected courtyard wonderful

    The garage is the only one right in the civic center that has hourly and daily parking. The rest are all monthly parking. So it’s a wonderful service to the community. Otherwise it’s park a couple miles away in the daily hourly lots in the ghastly skid row that surrounds the civic center

    The many courtyards are surrounded by very tall walls so all you can see is the sky, trees and a few 40 story buildings. It’s great to eat lunch relax chat with a friend high up away from belching buses and cars traffic noises and the skid row life of the civic center.

    The cafeteria is immensely popular and profitable because customers can enjoy trees, sky amd be spared the horrible traffic noise and fumes and skid row life of the civic center.

    The virtue of modern architectural styles isn’t that they look good, but that they’re quick and cheap to erect.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Those millions and millions of wood, brick and stone 3 up 3 down row houses built through all the centuries were also cheap to build and quick to erect. And they are the best designed, easiest to keep clean and tidy and most attractive of all middle and cheap residential architecture. The European ones were very easy remodel when gas stoves and indoor plumbing arrived. Just add new kitchen and bathrooms at the back.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Isn't it assumed that modern office buildings have a life expectancy of only 40 years or so before they're torn down and replaced?
  281. @Alden
    There’s a Netflix series great civilizations. It’s mostly non European. But every European episode just has to mention that whatever it is was bested by some non European building or whatever

    The non European episodes are mostly pointing out that for every splendid European building whatever there are far far better things in non European countries

    Alden, Thank you and there are beautiful non European structures, but none that I can think of rivals the Gothic Cathedrals. Ok, the Taj Mahal, is splendid, but all of the pyramid shaped structures around the globe are basically stone blocks piled high and wide…as in, the higher the top, the wider the base.

    • Replies: @Alden
    I would love to go to Ishifan,the Persian muslim shite vatican. It's an entire town of seminaries and mosques. Mostly built by captured European slaves. Color scheme is blue aqua turquoise green and white with gold trim. Beautiful beautiful.
  282. @Reg Cæsar

    ‘huWhite’ is how Jared Taylor pronounces ‘white’:
     
    In other words, properly. That's what the H is there for.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_%E2%9F%A8wh%E2%9F%A9


    https://www.ling.upenn.edu/phono_atlas/maps/Map8.GIF


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCXAYBi9HU&feature=youtu.be

    https://youtu.be/RyCXAYBi9HU

    Jared was taught by Canadians in Japan. Do they pronounce it that way, too? I haven't noticed.

    Mathematician Michael Starbird does it too, though it's less pronounced in this commencement speech at Pomona College:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otrgi2We9VM


    https://youtu.be/RyCXAYBi9HU

    Stewie Griffin pronounces “wh” like the older lady.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    How much did they get for that product placement? Kraft Heinz has deep pockets.

    I remember watching a black-and-white educational television program featuring a teacher clearly born in the 19th century. This was made in Michigan, likely in the 1950s, and was meant to teach children to enunciate properly.

    No doubt this was aimed at all the kids, black and white, who came up from the South in that era. But the particular episode I saw emphasized the WH- sound. That had mostly disappeared in East Anglia when emigrants left for New England, and wouldn't have survived in little midcentury Michiganders.

    The Southerners, though, would have retained it. Cracker 1, Yankee 0.

    Anyone remember this show at all?
  283. @Alden
    All religious buildings built after 1950 are hideous horrendous horrible abominations just like all post 1950 buildings

    The new 1960s catholic cathederal in San Francisco is locally known as the washing machine building. It’s a big white round thing. Out of the roof sticks what I guess is a spire that looks exactly like the dasher thing in the middle of a top loading washing machine.

    The new catholic cathedral in Los Angeles is totally S California vernacular architecture; if you can call a big beige Walmart style box architecture. It even has on some office windows the ugliest window coverings ever invented, those dollar store white vertical blinds. Interior is Aztec decorations I’ve been told. I’ve parked in its garage and eaten lunch in the protected courtyard wonderful

    The garage is the only one right in the civic center that has hourly and daily parking. The rest are all monthly parking. So it’s a wonderful service to the community. Otherwise it’s park a couple miles away in the daily hourly lots in the ghastly skid row that surrounds the civic center

    The many courtyards are surrounded by very tall walls so all you can see is the sky, trees and a few 40 story buildings. It’s great to eat lunch relax chat with a friend high up away from belching buses and cars traffic noises and the skid row life of the civic center.

    The cafeteria is immensely popular and profitable because customers can enjoy trees, sky amd be spared the horrible traffic noise and fumes and skid row life of the civic center.

    Alden, thank you, I used to love to visit SF, but not anymore.

    • Replies: @Alden
    it's still very nice west of Van Ness, but that's just residential areas nothing for tourists. The beach is too cold for swimming most of the year. I see your point..
  284. @J.Ross
    Why don't you have a seat over there?
    But seriously, this is just high-trust homogeneity. Diversity is a burden that costs us and holds us back in a million ways, and it's so indefensible that it has to be protected by goverent censorship. There should be a billboard campaign:
    What has diversity cost you today?

    high-trust homogeneity

    Just high-trust, period. 100% Somali isn’t going to have it.

    On the other hand, say, 50% Swedish + 50% Japanese area is going to be pretty high-trust, maybe even more than 100% Swedish.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Trust but verify.
  285. @Anon

    There are increasing numbers of people who want to erase and/or rewrite the history of France as a modern nation because their ancestors didn’t contribute much to that history, and they resent those whose ancestors did.
     
    Like Sir Christopher Wren, architect of St. Paul's? I guess he was ahead of his time?

    https://dianadarke.com/2019/04/16/the-heritage-of-notre-dame-less-european-than-people-think/

    What we today call the Gothic arch, prevalent in Notre Dame and in all the great cathedrals of Europe, was an architectural design first seen in the Ibn Tulun Mosque in Cairo and passed via Amalfi merchants to Sicily. With their advanced knowledge of geometry and the laws of statics Muslims developed both the horseshoe (also known as Moorish) arch (first seen in the Damascus Umayyad Mosque then further developed by the Umayyads in Andalusia in the Great Mosque of Cordoba) and the pointed arch to give more height than the classical arch. The first building to use them in Europe was the Abbey of Monte Cassino in 1071, financed by Amalfi merchants. It then moved north to the Church of Cluny which boasted 150 pointed arches in its aisles. The fashion quickly spread from these, two of the most influential churches in Europe, as this pointed ‘Gothic’ arch was stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and the Normans, so allowed the construction of bigger, taller, grander and more complex buildings like the great cathedrals of Europe.

    Other borrowings from Muslim designs, also to be found in Notre Dame, include ribbed vaulting (traced to the 8th century Abbasid Palace of Ukhaydar in Iraq), rose windows (first seen at the 8th century Umayyad palace of Khirbat Mafjar (Hisham’s Palace) in the West Bank near Jericho, and the spire (which collapsed so spectacularly on Notre Dame as the timber roof gave way beneath it). The first known spire is on the Umayyad Mosque of Damascus, built in the early 8th century.

    In England the first ever spire was on top of St Paul’s Cathedral in 1221. It was destroyed in the Great Fire of London then rebuilt in 1710 by Sir Christopher Wren, an avowed admirer of Muslim architecture who conducted an extensive comparative study of Gothic, Moorish and Ottoman styles. “The Goths,” he said, “were rather destroyers than builders: I think it should with more reason be called the Saracen (Arab Muslim) style.” The combination of dome and tower in his masterpiece of St Paul’s, together with the structure of the domes in the aisles, shows this strong Muslim influence, also clearly visible in Notre Dame.
     

    Christopher Wren like all the Anglicans of his day was a ferocious anti catholic who firmly believed Europe died in 490 AD and didn’t recover till 1517.

    He was also “ enlightened” part of the crew that began the process of denigrating everything European and discovering that everything worthwhile had been discovered and done in China India Arabia Turkey and later S America long before the primitive Christian Europeans did. England and Scotland also believed “ better Turk than Pope” being far west and north of Turkish invaders pirates and slave raiders.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yeah, Wren was just, you know, one of the greatest polymaths of all time. We should totally just ignore what he says because he wasn't Catholic like those French who used to burn people at the stake literally for being white:

    https://twitter.com/LokiJulianus/status/1118525787152494592

    Also, apparently you've never heard of the Franco-Ottoman alliance:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_alliance

    The Franco-Ottoman alliance, also Franco-Turkish alliance, was an alliance established in 1536 between the king of France Francis I and the Turkish sultan of the Ottoman Empire Suleiman the Magnificent. The strategic and sometimes tactical alliance was one of the most important foreign alliances of France, and was particularly influential during the Italian Wars. It lasted intermittently for more than two and a half centuries,[1] until the Napoleonic campaign in Ottoman Egypt, in 1798–1801.

    The alliance was exceptional, as the first non-ideological alliance between a Christian and Muslim state, and caused a scandal in the Christian world.[2][3] Carl Jacob Burckhardt (1947) called it "the sacrilegious union of the lily and the crescent".[4]
     
  286. @Steve Sailer
    The inside of the newish L.A. cathedral is pleasantly serene, although the hanging lamps were unfortunate. The outside though ... On the bright side, the cathedral looks perhaps fortified enough to withstand the flamethrower blasts from the Japanese robot from outer space menacing it from across the 101 freeway:

    https://twitter.com/steve_sailer/status/1018748021259919361?lang=en

    Steve, that Cathedral is constructed of Leggos, Right?

  287. @Redneck farmer
    More like beating a dead Peruvian, but you're right!

    Red, Ok, a dead Llama.

  288. @Buffalo Joe
    J, (Like Men in Black) I often stop at churches, go in, reflect for a bit, admire the interior and leave after a short prayer. I could see myself stopping at this synagogue in NY. probably would have realized it wasn't a Christian church when I walked in. Are Jews welcoming to strangers in their inter sanctums?

    Almost all do tours or have school group visits but might be (understandably) skittish about some totally random unscheduled visit.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    J, yes with a jerry can of gas and a spray paint can. "Just looking."
  289. Hey Steve , when you look back what year of your life holds the most terror ? The most shame ? You can dissemble as you like , but what year ?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    If you play donut comments backwards they're Rothbard lecturing on basic economics.
  290. @Steve Sailer
    The inside of the newish L.A. cathedral is pleasantly serene, although the hanging lamps were unfortunate. The outside though ... On the bright side, the cathedral looks perhaps fortified enough to withstand the flamethrower blasts from the Japanese robot from outer space menacing it from across the 101 freeway:

    https://twitter.com/steve_sailer/status/1018748021259919361?lang=en

    OMG, so that’s what that building is!! You can see it from one of the lunch courtyards.
    The old catholic cathederal was a beautiful gray gothic with big flights of steps front garden and very open to passers by as was customary in churches built in 1880. By 1950 it was surrounded by a hideous black skid row with the Union Reacue Mission right next store.

    All downtown buildings since 1970 have the fortress architecture. Some hotels it’s difficult to find the entrance just fortress walls to keep skid row at bay.

  291. @Buffalo Joe
    El, weekly "Ancient Aliens" breathlessly describes how massive stone blocks, weighing up to 10 tons, were used to build some MezoAmerican temple, but never guestion how European builders managed to raise a 15 ton bronze bell up into a 140 foot bell tower, before Machu Pichu was built.

    El, weekly “Ancient Aliens” breathlessly describes how massive stone blocks, weighing up to 10 tons, were used to build some MezoAmerican temple, but never guestion how European builders managed to raise a 15 ton bronze bell up into a 140 foot bell tower, before Machu Pichu was built.

    The Aztecs pushed some rocks into a pile that looks like a stair case. The thing practically built itself. Hardly a proof of an advanced civilization.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Oh, I bet you wouldn't say that in front of some Aztecs.
  292. @Anonymous
    Is Dray Christian?

    No, he’s not. He’s Jewish.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No, he’s not. He’s Jewish.

    What are the odds a Frenchman is going to turn out to be Jewish?
  293. @TTSSYF
    That is as big a pile of rubbish and pseudo-intellectual nonsense as I've ever heard. Why do we indulge these people by paying the least bit of attention to them? They are the equivalent of little children throwing tantrums and, rather than being given a swift swat on the behind and told to take a time-out in the corner, they are instead earnestly indulged and encouraged to continue in their childish tantrums. However, I suppose we have to pay attention to them, because they may be more like sulky teenagers throwing tantrums than five-year-olds, and therefore potentially dangerous.

    Why do we indulge these people by paying the least bit of attention to them?

    Because he’s wearing a Harvard T-shirt.

  294. @Whiskey
    Steve I think you are coming around to the proposition that White or Huwhyte people either dominate and oppress others or they themselves get dominated and oppressed if not exterminated.

    There is no middle ground.

    Steve I think you are coming around to the proposition that White or Huwhyte people either dominate and oppress others or they themselves get dominated and oppressed if not exterminated.

    There is no middle ground.

    Separation.

    Ok Lurker beat me to it, but it is super important and bears endless repeating.

    Separate people in their separate nations, behind mutually agreed borders … and you can have peace. As some wag once said “good fences make good neighbors”.

    The entire minoritarian edifice crumbles when one points out simple logical conclusions: if we whites are so darn oppressive to you with our whiteness, then logically we should simply stay apart, no?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The entire minoritarian edifice crumbles when one points out simple logical conclusions: if we whites are so darn oppressive to you with our whiteness, then logically we should simply stay apart, no?
     
    Aren't the easier conclusions that Whites either should stop being oppressive or should disappear from the planet?
  295. @El Dato
    > Aristotle’s physics

    lolwut?

    > not Newton's

    Newton was an alchemist/mathematician, not an architect or engineer.

    Most of the cathedrals were built centuries before Newton.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yes, that was the point. Please try to keep up.
  296. @Desiderius
    Looks like you've had too much to think.

    On a related note, Corvinus showed back up today to hock some Mueller horseshit. Check must have cleared.

    I’m just passing on a story from one of France’s main media outlets. If you want to wait for more curated coverage of this event then feel free to do so.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    https://libertymaniacs.com/products/thought-police-poster

    (your link was censored)

    You're all the curation I need, Beast.

  297. @sailor1031
    This guy does know that muslims are also circumcised I suppose? That's how hindus could tell them apart during the great partition massacres.

    There’s that. I heard the Nazis used that tactic on Jews. There’s no question that jihadists will be checking. Jews will get by, Euro goyim won’t. They’ll be getting their genitals chopped off and shoved in their mouths as what happened at Bataclan.

  298. We know the drill.

    “Obviously, the government of France will have to find the money to pay for the ‘re-modeling’ (not rebuilding) of Notre Dame. So they would have to cancel badly needed social problems. No way that could be justified – too much austerity as it is. Perhaps money could be raised by the government if Notre Dame could be remodeled as a non-secular “church” of the type popular on college campuses.”

    I understand that super-rich private citizens will pay for rebuilding. Will they demand “change” in this marvelous structure?

    As your post makes clear, the rebuilt Notre Dame will need to be “relevant” to the present population of France.

  299. I dread the thought of how Macron’s government might restore Notre Dame cathedral more than the thought or image of the actual fire damage, as horrific as it is. Wouldn’t put it past them to replace it with some awful tribute to diversity/multi-culturalism/global capitalism. Ugh.

  300. @Alden
    Not true. They knew they were working on century long projects. Why wouldn’t they know it if the project started 200 years before they began work and it still want finished when they retired? A lot depended on money. As the money was raised more sections could be completed.

    I think one of the Italian ones Milan maybe? Took about 600 years to complete. The dome of Florence cathedral wasn’t started till Bruneschulli figured out a double dome. A smaller one supporting the bigger outer one would work. .

    Capability Browns trees were planted and have died in less time than it took to build most cathedrals

    The workers knew they worked on centuries long projects. How could they not when the incomplete project was centuries old when they started as 12 yr old gofers and if they lived long enough retired at 60? Or kept drawing and designing till death at 75?

    I know, I know, all builders and construction workers from Kaufman and Broad to Peter Kiewit and Bechtel are ignorant blue collar morons unlike cubicle coolies who are soooo well educated.

    When did architects start going to college 1870? How in the world did buildings get designed and built before architectural degrees? Couldn’t have been done by blue collar workers using the simplest geometry and techniques taught by their predecessors.

    Despite what you apparently think, my post was not the snooty classist comment you take it for. You’ve never had to work really hard physically for really long hours just to avoid going hungry, have you? It concentrates the mind to an extraordinary degree. And I know my experience of hard physical labor was nowhere near as arduous that of cathedral workers.

    “I know, I know, all builders and construction workers from Kaufman and Broad to Peter Kiewit and Bechtel are ignorant blue collar morons unlike cubicle coolies who are soooo well educated.”

    I didn’t say that, you did. And all your shoddy attempts to attribute it to me by inference don’t change that fact.

    I’ve wasted enough time on your woeful ignorance and cheap tactics. I won’t bother replying to you again.

    • Replies: @Alden
    You came across like a computer coolie who never even washed his own car or checked the fluids let alone worked any kind of physical labor job from dentist to high iron worker to restaurant worker.
  301. @Anonymous
    You're on the right track; in fact, it seems like the "early Islamic architecture" that blog post extols may actually be more European - or at least more Greco-Roman - than the author may be willing to admit.

    In the East, Byzantine architectural tradition exerted a profound influence on early Islamic architecture. During the Umayyad Caliphate era (661-750), as far as the Byzantine impact on early Islamic architecture is concerned, the Byzantine artistic heritage formed a fundamental source to the new Islamic art, especially in Syria and Palestine. There are considerable Byzantine influences which can be detected in the distinctive early Islamic monuments in Syria and Palestine, as on the Dome of the Rock (691) at Jerusalem, the Umayyad Mosque (709–715) at Damascus.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_architecture

    I mean, this shouldn’t be shocking. Just like their Germanic counterparts in the West, the Arabs didn’t have much of a history of organized statehood before getting into contact with Rome.

    Many of the prominent early Muslims had deep connections to Byzantium, most probably already being Christian or professing some other kind of monotheism before they discovered the Prophet. The Banu Umayya clan that would preside over the calcification of what we now know as Islam was one example: they got rich from real estate in Syria. Other early Arab commanders were probably long-time hired guns for Rome-again, not too dissimilar from the Germans who would bring down the West-before, out of work after the Great War and alienated from their bosses, they got into contact with Muhammad and his budding apocalyptic monotheist community.

    Though if we look at the whole of it, it’d be Persia that most influenced the Islamic World, I’d reckon. If Christianity can be thought of as the child of Greek thinking and Jewish origins, Islam is a half-brother with the same Jewish mother, but a Persian father.

  302. @JimB

    El, weekly “Ancient Aliens” breathlessly describes how massive stone blocks, weighing up to 10 tons, were used to build some MezoAmerican temple, but never guestion how European builders managed to raise a 15 ton bronze bell up into a 140 foot bell tower, before Machu Pichu was built.
     
    The Aztecs pushed some rocks into a pile that looks like a stair case. The thing practically built itself. Hardly a proof of an advanced civilization.

    Oh, I bet you wouldn’t say that in front of some Aztecs.

  303. @donut
    Hey Steve , when you look back what year of your life holds the most terror ? The most shame ? You can dissemble as you like , but what year ?

    If you play donut comments backwards they’re Rothbard lecturing on basic economics.

    • Replies: @donut
    How 'bout you white boy ? Got a moment of shame ?
  304. @J.Ross
    Almost all do tours or have school group visits but might be (understandably) skittish about some totally random unscheduled visit.

    J, yes with a jerry can of gas and a spray paint can. “Just looking.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Not cool to joke about.
  305. @Buffalo Joe
    J, yes with a jerry can of gas and a spray paint can. "Just looking."

    Not cool to joke about.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    J, you are correct, my comment was in poor taste.
  306. @Cagey Beast
    I'm just passing on a story from one of France's main media outlets. If you want to wait for more curated coverage of this event then feel free to do so.

    https://libertymaniacs.com/products/thought-police-poster

    (your link was censored)

    You’re all the curation I need, Beast.

  307. @Chris Mallory
    Much better people who suffer from chronic pain get their meds on the street than from doctors and pharmacies. You drug warriors will have a special place in hell. Chronic pain is criminally under treated in the USA today, because of government actions like this.

    Misplaced anger. The stupidity preventing people who need prescriptions getting them has nothing to do with the government conspiring with drug companies to create addiction.

  308. @Alden
    Most of the cathedrals were built centuries before Newton.

    Yes, that was the point. Please try to keep up.

  309. @J.Ross
    Is this news or it is Chicago?
    "Car2go app hacked in Chicago, service paused
    As many as 100 Mercedes or high-end cars are missing or stolen, according to one report."

    https://www.chicagobusiness.com/transportation/car2go-app-hacked-chicago-service-paused

    Hacked, or a recent hire arranged to have his friends help him out with a transition plan?
    It is also claimed that flash mobs (of a racial consistency which we will not declare) were wandering around and starting fights, particularly on the Magnificent Mile, however that seems to have died down now.

    https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/26296

    I just skimmed through this Passover week’s edition of the LA Jewish Journal. there’s a huge full page ad urging Jews to boycott German cars because Germany has not yet criminalized Hebzollah. German Jews have the money. German muslims and their ultra liberla German friends have the votes who will win?

    what hypocrisy! Even 60 years ago the Jews moved away from the Cadallic Jew canoes to Mercedes and BMWs. Drive past any jewish community center or school at pick up drop off time, nothing but BMWs and Mercedes. Never happen until the average Jew can afford a maserati ferrari or rolls royce.

  310. @J.Ross
    If you play donut comments backwards they're Rothbard lecturing on basic economics.

    How ’bout you white boy ? Got a moment of shame ?

  311. @Twinkie
    What is wrong with people such as this? Even if not Catholic, do they not appreciate what is beautiful? Why are they so hate-filled that they relish in the destruction of that which is priceless?

    My “want-to-go-full-Francoist” shoots up to the roof when I read such mindless philistinism. Reminds me of the Taliban who dynamited the Bamian statue.

    Ever read what the followers of Knox, Calvin, Thomas and Oliver Cromwell and America’s own pilgrims, puritans quakers and southern Protestants even today think of beautiful catholic art and architecture?

  312. @Kylie
    Despite what you apparently think, my post was not the snooty classist comment you take it for. You've never had to work really hard physically for really long hours just to avoid going hungry, have you? It concentrates the mind to an extraordinary degree. And I know my experience of hard physical labor was nowhere near as arduous that of cathedral workers.

    "I know, I know, all builders and construction workers from Kaufman and Broad to Peter Kiewit and Bechtel are ignorant blue collar morons unlike cubicle coolies who are soooo well educated."

    I didn't say that, you did. And all your shoddy attempts to attribute it to me by inference don't change that fact.

    I've wasted enough time on your woeful ignorance and cheap tactics. I won't bother replying to you again.

    You came across like a computer coolie who never even washed his own car or checked the fluids let alone worked any kind of physical labor job from dentist to high iron worker to restaurant worker.

  313. @Buffalo Joe
    Alden, thank you, I used to love to visit SF, but not anymore.

    it’s still very nice west of Van Ness, but that’s just residential areas nothing for tourists. The beach is too cold for swimming most of the year. I see your point..

  314. @Buffalo Joe
    J, (Like Men in Black) I often stop at churches, go in, reflect for a bit, admire the interior and leave after a short prayer. I could see myself stopping at this synagogue in NY. probably would have realized it wasn't a Christian church when I walked in. Are Jews welcoming to strangers in their inter sanctums?

    They’re mostly locked up unless there’s a service or event going on.

    I see what you mean about churches being a nice place to rest and relax for a while. A Jewish friend was a NYC actress for a long time. She was always running about during the day from auditions to class to meetings. Men were always bothering her. So she used to go into churches to rest, relax, do paperwork and be safe from lechers in coffee shops and everywhere. She loves churches for that reason.