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  1. The Religion of Peace strikes again.

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    Was it an act of self defense?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The Religion of Peace strikes again.
     
    Could Bush II have been impeached merely for saying that? It must have been tempting for Democrats to think that, but to do so would cloud their message.

    Trump was awful friendly to those 'Rabs last week. I'd watch out.
    , @aceofspades
    Yes sir, most certainly a religion of peace!
    , @Alden
    This just in: most of the dead are under 16. Fuddy duddies like MW and others will rejoice that some White British girls are dead because of their slutty clothes.

    The Queen and Prince Phillip observed just one minute of silence. The other royals said nothing.

    I wonder if any royals will attend memorial services, probably not as that would show bias in favor of the indigenous British.
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  2. reiner Tor says: • Website

    The real victims are the millions of Muslims now living in fear of a backlash.

    We must not let hate triumph. As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that would be worse.

    If we start killing terrorists and expelling communities which breed terrorists, the terrorists would win. If they manage to reduce us to dhimmitude, we’ll win.

    So in order to win, we need to lose.

    OT

    Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue.

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    Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary.

    Rand Paul 2020.
    , @Corvinus
    "Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue."

    As long as Soros helps to make Trump and his family money, why would he care about Soros' liberalism?

    Jared Kushner co-founded Cadre in 2014, which markets properties to prospective investors. The company turned to a Goldman Sachs fund and a number of high profile investors, including securing a half a billion line of credit from the family office of George Soros.

    I thought Soros is evil personified. But I guess borrowing from him makes only perfect business sense. Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?
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  3. bomag says:

    I would say the West is playing rope-a-dope, but I’m not sure a corpse can play rope-a-dope…

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  4. The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood.

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    Election, June 8th, 2017

    Aerage of Polls, Mid May 2016
    45% Conservatives
    33% Labor
    8% Lib Dem
    4% UKIP
    4% SNP
    2% Green
    4% Other
    , @Corvinus
    "The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood."

    The only thing ticking is your lack of a recent post on your site. Dude, quit chasing ambulances and offer up your trenchant analysis on Orthodox Christianity and its future in the new America after it is broken up into several regions.
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  5. danindc says:

    It’s bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word “spic”

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    It’s bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word “spic”
     
    Lord please don't tell me she left out the "and span."
    , @Percy Gryce
    Yes, and here's the homepage of WAMU, the principal NPR affiliate in Washington, D.C.:

    https://twitter.com/percy_gryce/status/867072697997590528
    , @anonymous
    Now this is getting serious.

    A suicide bomber launched a devastating attack at an Ariana Grande pop concert at Manchester Arena on Monday night, targeting youngsters leaving the event.

    And actress Salma Hayek revealed she was struggling to process the terrible news during a Q&A at the 70th annual Cannes Film Festival on Tuesday, confessing that she hadn't slept since hearing about the shocking incident, which has left 22 people dead and 59 injured - many of whom were children. The Hollywood star, 50, was moved to tears at the Kering Women in Motion Talk photocall, explaining that her daughter Valentina, nine, is a big Ariana fan and would have loved to have been at the concert.

    --Daily Mail UK
     
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  6. anon says: • Disclaimer

    s not depressing Steve , you brute. What would be depressing is if this incident provoked an Islamophobic backlash against innocent Muslims.

    Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim. A cursory read of the Koran proves it to be a peaceful book.

    We need to do some soul searching. I mean my head is literrally spinning. We marginalized this young man. We need to do a better job at integration.

    We cannot let them win. We need to win them over with love. If we dont let refugees in than the terrorists win. Its 2017 guys , why cant you undrstand this. wow just wow

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    Yes, we have to remember the moderate Muslims. Extremist muslims are the ones who attack and murder westerners. Moderate muslims are the ones who want extremists to attack and murder us. Big difference.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of "not real Muslims", how about the neo-Nazi-turned-Muslim in Florida who killed his neo-Nazi roommates because of "invade the world"... crazy world.
    , @Jefferson
    "Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim."

    If the Manchester bomber is not a real Muslim than Dylann Roof is not a real White.

    If Muslims are not capable of behaving like barbaric animals than neither are Whites.
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  7. Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria…)

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    • Replies: @biz
    Nope. When people have a sincere belief that killing infidels will earn them an eternity in paradise surrounded by 72 virgins, and also a sincere belief that they are entitled by divine right to rule over and conquer Dar Al Hab, it doesn't matter what happens in geopolitics.
    , @Art Deco
    None. What's notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.
    , @syonredux
    You know, Steve has a pithy slogan for what's going on: Invade the world, invite the world.
    , @Tex
    Have you not noticed that antipathy to "invade the world, invite the world" policies is pretty standard issue around here?

    A disinclination to see our fellow citizens murdered in their homeland, no matter how much invading our elite overlords have done, is also pretty standard.
    , @Yngvar

    The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam.
     
    Islamic State’s Dabiq magazine issue #15

    Self hating Westerners are of no use for us. Go away.
    , @John Pepple

    We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

     

    In other words, "we'd still be attacking you for your toleration of homosexuality, even if you stopped invading us."
    , @David the Minion
    And every one of those 'aggressions' the righteous and legitimate response to Muslim war making against us and our allies.

    Islam delenda est!
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  8. Dr. X says:

    The sane and rational reaction would be to completely shut down Muslim immigration and the resettlement of refugees. (In the UK, which still has an established religion, it would legally be possible to monitor and suppress the existing Muslim population as well).

    Of course, we can readily predict that the opposite will happen. The socio-political elites will redouble the enforcement of hate crimes and political correctness, continue to kiss Muslims on the ass, and continue to tighten the enforcement of the soft totalitarianism that the UK has become against the native British population.

    One aspect of this that I find fascinating is the “security theater” of the British police. Every time one of these attacks occurs, Bobbies swarm the streets armed with handguns and battle rifles that are completely banned from the British public. British gun control has been 100% ineffective at stopping terrorist acts. As far as I’m aware, none of these cops have ever stopped a terrorist attack in progress, despite the fact that the British police have far greater powers than Americans to monitor and suppress the public.

    The problem of terrorism caused by foreigners (or people descended from foreigners) is 100% the fault of the British government given the fact that they are an island nation and nobody can get there without the permission of the government. They respond with a ridiculous and ineffective show of force after the fact, because they cannot admit that they are the ones indirectly responsible for the deaths of their own people.

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    Agree. And what's really pathetic is the tough talk we hear from European leaders after every atrocity. They sound really resolute, outraged, and determined. But, of course, stopping Muslim immigration is not open to consideration.

    I can't blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    , @Alden
    Britain has passed several "extremist speech" laws in the last 20 years. But those laws are only enforced against Whites who express anti Muslim ideas. It's like TSA, Whites are searched and insulted while blacks and browns are waved through.
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  9. This might be seen as a troll, if so, fair enough. But all the same, if things don’t change, this might be the turning point after which reactionaries really start to get their heads around the idea of adopting Islam in order to destroy it, in accordance with the Halloween Papers. Agree and amplify. Embrace, extend, extinguish.

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    well, duh, the "extinguish" part, is problematic. Our laws against murder prevent that.
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  10. Jake says:

    Liberalism means that every Liberal failure means we must do the same thing and double or triple the spending. So we should now strive to bring 30 million Moslems to the US over the next 5 years. That many new adherents of the great religion of peace, all given Affirmative Action preferences, surely will lead to peace.

    Invade the world, invite the world. But to make it work, you must also damn your non-Elite whites, blaming them and historic Christianity for all the problems, while giving the non-whites from the invited world every imaginable freebie and lowered standard.

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  11. IHTG says:

    How will it affect the election?

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    It will have no effect. Rotherham still votes Labour.

    Japanese proverb. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai. There's no medicine for stupidity.

    , @Johan Schmidt
    We're past the point at which these events could possibly cause a rightward shift. If anything it will probably motivate Labour voters in divided areas.
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  12. whorefinder says: • Website

    Is this an example of Not-Trump’s Luck?

    If this event had happened when Trump was in the U.S., wouldn’t it be a prime opportunity to push through part of his border-and-deport agenda? Instead, he’s thousands of miles abroad, singing kumbaya with the Saudis (blech!), the Israelis (grrr), and Pope Francis (ugh).

    God help us if we need to have an Ariana Grande moment in the U.S. for that to happen. But it looks like it may.

    P.S. I think anyone running for office just needs to continuously run commercials of every major Western terrorist attack since Obama was elected in 2008, or, better yet, since 2001. We need to be continually reminded that the current Establishment has done nothing to stop or even slow down the terrorism happening in the West. It actually would sell better, I think, than focusing on Mexicans per se, if only because to non-border folks it’s an easier sell that Mexicans aren’t that dangerous (even though they are).

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    That would help the 25 or so members of Congress who actually want to restrict immigration from Muslim countries. Not really an option for the rest though.
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  13. From a New York Times review of a book by the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission:

    Talking to the detainees was especially important because the commission was charged with explaining not only what happened, but also why it happened. In looking into the background of the hijackers, the staff found that religious orthodoxy was not a common denominator since some of the members “reportedly even consumed alcohol and abused drugs.” Others engaged in casual sex. Instead, hatred of American foreign policy in the Middle East seemed to be the key factor. Speaking to the F.B.I. agents who investigated the attacks, Hamilton asked: “You’ve looked [at] and examined the lives of these people as closely as anybody. . . . What have you found out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do it?”

    These questions fell to Supervisory Special Agent James Fitzgerald. “I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States,” he said. “They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States.” As if to reinforce the point, the commission discovered that the original plan for 9/11 envisioned an even larger attack. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the strategist of the 9/11 plot, “was going to fly the final plane, land it and make ‘a speech denouncing U.S. policies in the Middle East,’” Kean and Hamilton say, quoting a staff statement. And they continue: “Lee felt that there had to be an acknowledgment that a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was vital to America’s long-term relationship with the Islamic world, and that the presence of American forces in the Middle East was a major motivating factor in Al Qaeda’s actions.”

    Given the Bush administration’s current policies in the region, another 9/11-style attack is less a matter of if than when.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/books/review/20Bamford.html

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    All the more reason to keep people from this culture out of our countries.
    , @Alden
    So, I gather it's all right to bomb a teeny bopper concert an kill and wound dozens because of Bush 2?
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  14. Deso Dogg says:

    The culprit wasn’t a Muslim, I’m 100% certain—because if it was a Muslim, it wasn’t a real Muslim, just someone who called themselves a Muslim. So there’s no way Muslims can commit terrorist attacks, let alone do so at a higher per capita rate than other groups, because real Muslims don’t commit terrorist attacks.

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    No True Mussulman
    , @unpc downunder
    Who knows, maybe you're right. But one thing I do know he is a hot-headed middle eastern male, who comes from a culture with very different values to those of North Europe. Therefore it would be wise not to let people like him into the country.

    It's race, culture and demography that are the big issues, not liberal and neoconservative arguments about various sects of Islam.
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  15. In all the hand-wringing reportage and talking-head commentary I’m seeing about this event, none of it includes the word immigration.

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    Are you seeing any self examination of British and American meddling in the Middle East?
    , @reiner Tor
    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.
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  16. Yak-15 says:

    Nothing will change. No actual actions to prevent such actions – like extreme vetting, deportation and removal. The next one will be worse.

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  17. TG says:

    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth – let’s see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won’t find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

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    Dumb. They have a founding text, a prophet, and a calendar. All the hallmarks of a religion. The idea of a "Buddhist-Muslim" or a "Atheist-Muslim" doesn't make any sense.

    On the other hand, the idea of a "Buddhist Jew" or an "Atheist Jew".....
    , @Opinionator
    Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.
    , @Art Deco
    But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    'Poverty' by occidental standards is pretty much endemic in much of the world and always has been. It's not 'created' by Islam.
    , @Anonymous

    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth – let’s see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).
     
    All that does not prove Islam is not a religion. They prove that it is indeed a religion.

    When Christianity was a real religion, it slew its enemies and conquered and converted by the sword. Men killed and died for it. Islam still has a large element of that, of course many Muslims are not involved in jihad, but enough of them are it survives as a religion.


    Of course, National Socialism was a religion, too. Ask "Sri Hitler and the pandits of Germany". They are dead, but their writings live on. So do those of Savitri Devi.
    , @Daniel H
    >>One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care).

    It doesn't add any light to assert that Islam is not a religion. Islam is most definitely a religion, just a totalitarian religion, and that doesn't make it any less a religion.

    Late Romand and Medieval Roman Catholicism was a totalitarian religion to a great extent, but that didn't make it evil. Roman Catholicism tried and fairly well succeeded in infusing the entire day with a Christian outlook. It of course did it largely through persuasion and for those who didn't go along it used ostracism, not terror and violence (except in isolated cases, which were not policy). But Islam is most definitely a religion, a very dangerous one, to believers and non-believers alike.
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  18. Barnard says:
    @whorefinder
    Is this an example of Not-Trump's Luck?

    If this event had happened when Trump was in the U.S., wouldn't it be a prime opportunity to push through part of his border-and-deport agenda? Instead, he's thousands of miles abroad, singing kumbaya with the Saudis (blech!), the Israelis (grrr), and Pope Francis (ugh).

    God help us if we need to have an Ariana Grande moment in the U.S. for that to happen. But it looks like it may.

    P.S. I think anyone running for office just needs to continuously run commercials of every major Western terrorist attack since Obama was elected in 2008, or, better yet, since 2001. We need to be continually reminded that the current Establishment has done nothing to stop or even slow down the terrorism happening in the West. It actually would sell better, I think, than focusing on Mexicans per se, if only because to non-border folks it's an easier sell that Mexicans aren't that dangerous (even though they are).

    That would help the 25 or so members of Congress who actually want to restrict immigration from Muslim countries. Not really an option for the rest though.

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    Yes, but it would put pressure on the remaining to do so or face a primary next year by some REALLY hot-headed folks that would make the current alt-Righters look positively moderate.

    If ANYONE reading this has an inkling of political desires AND is willing to start spewing some realism on the campaign trail, I would say start editing some video packages NOW showing all the terrorist attacks and labelled "this terrorism brought to you by _______" fill in the blank with incumbent commie or cuck in the House and Senate who's against immigration control/border control/deportation.

    Then primary the shit outta them. The campaign would cost 10x less than the average Congress one, simply because the issue is one that crosses party lines ( exactly why Trump spent less than all other candidates and didn't have to go for big donors).

    This is a winning platform for any Congressional or major state office. Why? BECAUSE TRUMP JUST WON WITH IT.

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  19. Apparently the bomber was the child of refugees from Libya…asylum for Muslims ought to be abolished.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It was standard practice 40 years ago to house refugees in adjacent countries with a view to their eventual repatriation. You do not have any analogues to the Iron Curtain in today's world, but governments appear more inclined to house at a distance and implement long-term resettlement. It's perverse.
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  20. MASS IMMIGRATION brings ISLAMIC TERRORISM to Britain. The evil ruling class of Britain is using mass immigration to destroy cultural cohesion. The Bank of England’s Mark Carney has admitted that mass immigration lowers wages for workers.

    Mass immigration in Britain lowers wages, increases housing costs, overwhelms hospitals, swamps schools, creates multicultural mayhem and brings ISLAMIC TERRORISM to Britain.

    The ruling class in Britain is just as evil as the ruling class in the United States.

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  21. lavoisier says: • Website

    WE must never let this tragedy interfere with our ultimate goal of bringing the Third World to the West.

    It would not be who we are.

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    • Replies: @englishmike
    And it would put you on "the wrong side of history".
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  22. Jan says:

    The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester’s large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims – except those in Israel.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it's bizarre to divine the views of 'British Jewry' from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.
    , @Anonymous
    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     
    , @Jay Fink
    So do American Jews. I can not begin to count how many pro-Muslim posts I read on Facebook from my Cousin, a successful Jewish attorney. He loves Muslims. i don't think he knows any personally but he definitely loves them and wants a lot of them to immigrate here.
    , @Gabriel M
    Jews - or at least people with some Jewish descent - are over represented among Britain's cancerous academic body. Unlike in America, however, they, almost to a man, ostentatiously anti-ethnocentric and anti-zionist. There are lots of Judith Butlers, no Alan Dershowitzses. Among British Jews, there is a meme known as 'As a Jew....' which is used to describe such people.

    As to the actual Jewish community, there is simply no difference whatsoever between the statements of community representatives and those made by representatives of the Anglican, Roman Catholic or major dissenting churches with regard to race, immigration and multiculturalism. I recently fell out with quite a prominent British United Synagogue Rabbi over this issue, but my Anglican friends have no more positive experiences than I do.

    So in the sense that it's true that 'British Jews love their Muslims', it's also true that 'British people love their Muslims', since you will not find a single establishment figure of any faith or none, who says anything different. For what it's worth, British Jews also love Muslims in Israel. Were British Jews to be given the vote, I doubt more than 20% would choose Likud. More or less every time a British Jew of my acquaintance visits Israel, they tell me how nice it is that there are Muslims everywhere. Since >60% vote Conservative, who - in theory- want to cut immigration, their views on British politics are somewhat to their right of their views on Israeli politics.

    So, in sum, stop trying, to use American categories to understand every country in the world.

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  23. EriK says:

    A case of domestic terrorism.

    From the Sun
    “Cops revealed the identity of the lone wolf attacker, who was the son of Libyan refugees, after raiding his house in Fallowfield today where a forensic officer was seen holding a “know your chemicals” booklet.”

    I think they meant “known” wolf, but be that as it may, at least it clears up the question whether mass immigration is a problem. Of course it’s not. He was simply a Manchester man. A British national.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3624815/manchester-arena-bomb-ariana-grande-gig-22-deaths-59-injured/

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    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn't seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I'm no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn't be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here's a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

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  24. biz says:
    @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    Nope. When people have a sincere belief that killing infidels will earn them an eternity in paradise surrounded by 72 virgins, and also a sincere belief that they are entitled by divine right to rule over and conquer Dar Al Hab, it doesn’t matter what happens in geopolitics.

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  25. EriK says:
    @danindc
    It's bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word "spic"

    It’s bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word “spic”

    Lord please don’t tell me she left out the “and span.”

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  26. 22pp22 says:
    @IHTG
    How will it affect the election?

    It will have no effect. Rotherham still votes Labour.

    Japanese proverb. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai. There’s no medicine for stupidity.

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    My experience of Labour voters is that they are terrified the money tap will be turned off.
    , @Thomas
    Rotherham was the first thing I thought of here. Why would a country that couldn't care less about its daughters becoming prey for Muslim rape rings care any more about its daughters getting blown up by Muslim suicide bombers?
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  27. @Buzz Mohawk
    In all the hand-wringing reportage and talking-head commentary I'm seeing about this event, none of it includes the word immigration.

    Are you seeing any self examination of British and American meddling in the Middle East?

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    Of course not. The reference is completely non sequitur.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    No, of course not. Reporters, pundits and politicians are not addressing the real cause, which we here know is Invade the World -- Invite the World (TM Steve Sailer).

    However, we can and should shut our doors even though we are invading the world. You may have married into a family of assholes, but that doesn't mean you have to invite them all over to your house.
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  28. @danindc
    It's bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word "spic"

    Yes, and here’s the homepage of WAMU, the principal NPR affiliate in Washington, D.C.:

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    Still looks like that as of 3:45 PM EDT:

    http://wamu.org/
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  29. REFUGEE OVERLOAD is destroying Britain and the United States. The evil ruling class in Britain and the evil ruling class in the United States is importing REFUGEE OVERLOAD in a deliberate attempt to destroy cultural cohesion. The ruling class in Britain and the ruling class of the American Empire is now infested with nation-wrecking rodents. REFUGEE OVERLOAD brings ISLAMIC TERRORISM to Britain and the United States.

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    The #Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, was a Libyan refugee born in 1994 in the city.
     
    If he was born in Manchester then he wasn't a refugee. His PARENTS were refugees (not really because the father apparently went back and forth to Tripoli - so much for "fear of persecution"). But it seems like he didn't assimilate into British culture at all. That's the real problem. Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won't assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.
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  30. @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    Dumb. They have a founding text, a prophet, and a calendar. All the hallmarks of a religion. The idea of a “Buddhist-Muslim” or a “Atheist-Muslim” doesn’t make any sense.

    On the other hand, the idea of a “Buddhist Jew” or an “Atheist Jew”…..

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  31. @IHTG
    How will it affect the election?

    We’re past the point at which these events could possibly cause a rightward shift. If anything it will probably motivate Labour voters in divided areas.

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  32. @Deso Dogg
    The culprit wasn't a Muslim, I'm 100% certain---because if it was a Muslim, it wasn't a real Muslim, just someone who called themselves a Muslim. So there's no way Muslims can commit terrorist attacks, let alone do so at a higher per capita rate than other groups, because real Muslims don't commit terrorist attacks.

    No True Mussulman

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  33. @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

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    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not 'destabilizing' Muslim countries. Their own incapacities have left them with long-term intramural violence. (See Colombia for an occidental example of this). See Stanley Kurtz on the ways in which basic social forms in the Arab world make public life a chancy proposition.
    , @anon
    How did Israel and the USA destabilize Indonesia , Sudan , Morrocco , Western Sahara , Turkey or Sudan ?
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  34. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk
    In all the hand-wringing reportage and talking-head commentary I'm seeing about this event, none of it includes the word immigration.

    That’s because he wasn’t an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

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    You're right. I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I'll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    "Britons" are generally naked, painted blue, and racket around on chariots bellowing in Welsh. Easily spotted, a mile off.
    This ponce wasn't a Briton. 'British national', more like.
    And acting 'entirely alone', as well as being 'mentally ill'. It's our fault. We voted for it. Bring on the next Happening, please.
    , @Stealth
    Count that as one of those liberal beliefs that's incompatible with some other liberal belief. Everyone in Britain is an immigrant, yet second generation Muslims are not immigrants because they were born there.

    Here's another one: being gay is a fixed, innate characteristic, absolute and unalterable, but also, everybody is bisexual.

    , @Jefferson
    "He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK."

    Salman Abedi the Manchester terrorist is about as ethnically "British" as Daniel Kaluuya the star of Get Out.
    , @Dissident

    That’s because he wasn’t an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK.
     
    That is nearly identical to a reply I got from a smug Upper West Sider (Manhattan, NYC) last June, concerning Omar Mateen, the massacrer of the Sodomite nightclub in Orlando:
    http://www.westsiderag.com/2016/06/12/moms-protest-gun-violence-outside-the-tony-awards#comment-327459

    You ARE aware that Mr. Trump’s bombastic threat to ‘bar people (i.e. Muslims) from terrorist-inclined countries’ would NOT have prevented the Orlando horror BECAUSE THE GUNMAN WAS A U.S. CITIZEN and had lived here his entire life !
     
    Only, unlike you, the respectable who wrote the above was not being sarcastic.

    Scroll-down to see my response, in which I linked-to our host.

    , @szopen
    LOL :)
    But seriously, parodies aside, remember this meme?

    http://imgur.com/jUj5gbe
    , @MikeTheMick
    Having a UK passport does not make you a Briton.
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  35. MW says:

    I’m having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It’s the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women’s souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I’m just an old curmudgeon. I don’t know anymore.

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    I’m having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It’s the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    Enough culprits common to both can be found to make mixed feelings unnecessary.

    (In fairness, none more so than those looking back at us in the mirror.)

    I must say I'm touched by how many concertgoers were either with parents or being picked up by them. I recall I, and my contemporaries, would have been mortified to be caught at a concert with parents, back in the day.
    , @Alfa158
    You are under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world, it is just a different weapon. Bombs or bullets or poison gas; third world immivasion or cultural degradation or political correctness. Different weapons, but all leading to extinction of the target.
    , @tyrone
    That's just the cultural marxist dialectic thingy working it's weird magic.
    , @WR
    "...the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis."

    I don't know about Ariana Grande but you are certainly the enemy of the gynocratic left (whether you know it or not). You don't partake in their secular religion and therefore you are a "Nazi" who wants to drive a wedge between enlightened Westerners and their Muslim friends.

    Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch

    To all my dear Muslim brothers and sisters in Manchester and across the U.K., we got your back. Neither terrorists nor Nazis will divide us.

    Somewhere else, she states "Nazis are not welcome."
    , @Alden
    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.
    , @Alden
    Why don't you convert, move to a Muslim country and join the religious police? The youngest wounded was only 6 years old. It was impossible to see what most of the victims were wearing. You just inserted your dour old Puritan beliefs into this tragedy.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    ...the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    She's Italian, but left the Church because they were mean to those like her queer half-brother. (Or half-queer brother. Something.)

    Not to mention she's from Florida, which is "California without ideas".

    It's tempting to say she's Madonna for eight-year-olds, but Madonna herself was Madonna for eight-year-olds.

    Anyway, here are Wikipedia's categories for Ariana:

    Categories: Ariana Grande 1993 births 21st-century American actresses 21st-century American singers Actresses from Florida American child actresses American child singers American dance musicians American electronic musicians American female pop singers American musical theatre actresses American people of Italian descent American people of Sicilian descent American people of Abruzzian descent American rhythm and blues singers American sopranos American television actresses Child pop musicians Feminist musicians LGBT rights activists from the United States Living people People from Boca Raton, Florida Republic Records artists Sex-positive feminists Singers from Florida Singers with a four-octave vocal range Universal Music Group artists
     
    Not promising sources to look for talent or sanity!
    , @Anonymous
    Just to make this concrete, it's either we let our 12-year olds be inspired by Ariana Grande, who sings about being ****ed so hard she can't walk (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAfdGZhXYAAtnPt.jpg), probably looking like this (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAeF6KCWAAAQ2F1.jpg) -- or we let them get pimped out to Muslim gangs -- or we let them be deliberately targeted with nailbombs by a British-citizen-so-stop-talking-about-immigration-it's-literally-irrelevant-you-bigot.

    We need to start all over again.

    , @Alden
    Most of the females were not young women but under 16. I only noticed 2 outfits. One was cell phone footage that began just before the explosion. An older teenager wore a sleeveless White top

    In footage of the floor beneath the escalators I saw a girl in a pink dress running back and forth in panic. Judging by her height in relation to the adults I'd say she was 10 or 11 years old. It was unclear if the dress was modest or not.

    One girl being helped out had one leg of her pants blown off

    I doubt you actually saw the footage. But you just had to make some misogynist remark about girl children. There were plenty of boys and teens at the concert but you ignored them. You should time travel back to Calvins Geneva. I bet you agree with the Muslim fanatics that women and men not be allowed to swim at the same time. Or do you get all turned on by the sight of an 11 year old?

    Go find some Puritan fundamentalists site to spew your hatred of girls on.

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  36. @Jim Don Bob
    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    Was it an act of self defense?

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    "Was it an act of self defense?"

    Which desert camel country are you from?
    , @syonredux
    Killing your host is bad manners.
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  37. TheJester says:

    Here is a humane solution to Islamic terrorism:

    Desperate times require desperate measures. The people of Western Europe and the Americas need to tell theirIslamic communities to solve the problem of Jihad and terrorism against Christians … or they, en masse, will be deported to their location of ethnic origin regardless of citizenship. Motivate them to have some “skin in the game” or face the consequences. Their communities are the source of the problem, force them to fix it … or else.

    If we find bodies mysteriously appearing in alleys in their communities, so be it.

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    Why not just tell them all to get out? Why even give them the option of fixing it? Just tell them to get out and stay out?

    I mean, sure, that's never going to happen, but neither is your suggestion.
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  38. Art Deco says:
    @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    None. What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.

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    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West (and their "allies") intervened and completely shattered these societies. I recall reading a tourist guidebook on Syria published in 2010 which noted that it was one of the safest places in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya had the highest level of development of all the African countries prior to its "democratization".
    , @for-the-record

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.
     
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its "allies", Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 "democratization".
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  39. Art Deco says:
    @German_reader
    Apparently the bomber was the child of refugees from Libya...asylum for Muslims ought to be abolished.

    It was standard practice 40 years ago to house refugees in adjacent countries with a view to their eventual repatriation. You do not have any analogues to the Iron Curtain in today’s world, but governments appear more inclined to house at a distance and implement long-term resettlement. It’s perverse.

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  40. Art Deco says:
    @Opinionator
    Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries. Their own incapacities have left them with long-term intramural violence. (See Colombia for an occidental example of this). See Stanley Kurtz on the ways in which basic social forms in the Arab world make public life a chancy proposition.

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    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not "destabilizing those countries", eh? BWAHAHAHA!

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  41. Art Deco says:
    @Opinionator
    Are you seeing any self examination of British and American meddling in the Middle East?

    Of course not. The reference is completely non sequitur.

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    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     
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  42. The bodies are hardly cold yet from the ISLAMIC TERRORIST frontlash and this government worker rat is warning regular Brits about the dreaded nativist backlash.

    Britain is under anti-White totalitarian lockdown. There is no free speech in Britain. The regular British people are under attack from their own government. Something wicked this way comes, and it is the evil ruling class in Britain that is the wickedness itself.

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  43. @Art Deco
    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not 'destabilizing' Muslim countries. Their own incapacities have left them with long-term intramural violence. (See Colombia for an occidental example of this). See Stanley Kurtz on the ways in which basic social forms in the Arab world make public life a chancy proposition.

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!

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    When did Israel bomb Libya and Afghanistan ?
    , @Art Deco
    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    "Meddling" is a nonsense term. Israel has not been at war with any of these countries (bar some brief aerial dogfights) in 40-odd years (and has never been at war with two of them). It has been at war with paramilitaries operating on Lebanese territory, paramilitaries which wanted to mix it up (which is why they were staging cross-border raids). No military operations engaged in by the U.S. government explain why these places have proved supremely bad at crafting working political societies or even maintaining minimal order in recent years.
    , @William Badwhite
    'Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!'

    What is your point? A bunch of teeny-boppers at a rock concert in the UK aren't responsible for American foreign policy. If these useless goons wanted to change something, go after politicians. Instead they choose soft targets because they're cowards.
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  44. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Barnard
    That would help the 25 or so members of Congress who actually want to restrict immigration from Muslim countries. Not really an option for the rest though.

    Yes, but it would put pressure on the remaining to do so or face a primary next year by some REALLY hot-headed folks that would make the current alt-Righters look positively moderate.

    If ANYONE reading this has an inkling of political desires AND is willing to start spewing some realism on the campaign trail, I would say start editing some video packages NOW showing all the terrorist attacks and labelled “this terrorism brought to you by _______” fill in the blank with incumbent commie or cuck in the House and Senate who’s against immigration control/border control/deportation.

    Then primary the shit outta them. The campaign would cost 10x less than the average Congress one, simply because the issue is one that crosses party lines ( exactly why Trump spent less than all other candidates and didn’t have to go for big donors).

    This is a winning platform for any Congressional or major state office. Why? BECAUSE TRUMP JUST WON WITH IT.

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  45. Art Deco says:
    @Jan
    The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester's large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims - except those in Israel.

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it’s bizarre to divine the views of ‘British Jewry’ from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.

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    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group
     
    Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English.
    , @Jay Fink
    I disagree. Genetic testing clearly shows Jews are an ethnic group. In my case it is not my religion because I don't practice it. I don't look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features and I certainly don't think like a typical Jewish person as I am not a leftist. Yet my 23andme results show I am 98.5% Ashkenazi.
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  46. jim jones says:
    @22pp22
    It will have no effect. Rotherham still votes Labour.

    Japanese proverb. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai. There's no medicine for stupidity.

    My experience of Labour voters is that they are terrified the money tap will be turned off.

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  47. Tolerance… Tolerance is the policy. We must tolerate muslims. Or, you’re fired!

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  48. Art Deco says:
    @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    ‘Poverty’ by occidental standards is pretty much endemic in much of the world and always has been. It’s not ‘created’ by Islam.

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    Well if Islam doesn't create poverty, it doesn't create wealth (that doesn't come out of the ground) either. The intellectual and industrial achievements of Islam in the last 500+ years are nil. By eschewing all knowledge except memorization of the Koran, by its imprisonment of women, by its medieval attitudes, Islam pretty much assures that a country will never escape from poverty unless it has oil under it.
    , @Anonymous
    Well, it sure did a number on the "Paris of the Middle East".
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  49. @Opinionator
    Are you seeing any self examination of British and American meddling in the Middle East?

    No, of course not. Reporters, pundits and politicians are not addressing the real cause, which we here know is Invade the World — Invite the World (TM Steve Sailer).

    However, we can and should shut our doors even though we are invading the world. You may have married into a family of assholes, but that doesn’t mean you have to invite them all over to your house.

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    Even if you married into a family of non-assholes, you might not like for them all to move into your house.
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  50. @reiner Tor
    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    You’re right. I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I’ll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC.

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    "I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I’ll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC."

    Careful, Buzz. Heidi Beirich will no doubt be at the door of the SPLC to greet you. (She's been so lonely since Larry Auster died.) You might want to divert her attention from yourself by tossing some bagels to her. Or at her. Whichever you think will keep you safer.
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  51. @Art Deco
    Of course not. The reference is completely non sequitur.

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

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    What rubbish. The London bombers were recruited entirely from young men who faced imminent marriage to first cousins in Pakistan. Death was an attractive option, I give them that.

    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?
    , @mobi

    Tanweer said this ...

    And Khan said this...
     
    Remarkable how the the 'Tanweers' and 'Khans' of this world turn out to be, more often than not - former petty thieves, former petty drug dealers, former petty pimps, former failed rap artists, etc.

    Useless monkeys, basically. By embracing Jihad, in one magical, fell swoop, all former loserness is wiped away, and they rise from the bottom to the top, in their eyes. 'Glorious warriors for Allah', instead of worthless turds.

    They care about the fate of the Palestinians as much as they care about being present to raise their own kids, assuming they know about them.

    As for the high-minded rationalisations for their all-around primitive worthlessness, see - Sweden.

    We shouldn't be invading the world, and we shouldn't be inviting the world. In both cases, only and entirely for our own self-interest. There's no contradiction. It's practically the motto of this site.
    , @Art Deco
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    You're a committed Arab partisan, you have a very weak sense of how to assess the agency and responsibility of individuals and collectives, and you want dead Jews and excuses for manufacturing more dead Jews. You don't know much and you respond to banal factual information by impugning the character of people who take exception to whatever the consensus is in the circle jerks you inhabit. Tough.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.
     
    Art has basically recited the history of the region. That you're averse to reading history rather than the usual Arab fabrications isn't his fault.
    , @Escher
    So these European born and/or raised psychos are justified in killing their fellow citizens on behalf of their co-religionists thousands of miles away. Not making a good argument for the assimilability of Muslims, are we?
    , @unpc downunder
    That might explain some attacks, like 9/11 and the Bataclan bombing, but why the terrorist attacks in semi-pacifist Sweden, Germany, and Belgium. And why attack 12 year-old girls? I wasn't aware neoconservatism was so popular among female tweens.

    Lets face it, Muslim terrorists have a wide-ranging hatred of the West. It can't just be blamed on British, French and American foreign policy.

    , @Mudpack
    These statements (taken from their jihadi videos) from Tanweer and Khan were just part of their legends as MI5 informants. Anybody who thinks these men actually perpetrated the 2005 London Underground bombings is ignorant. The sentiments expressed in these statements are common to anti-Western jihadism. If the US would not invade the Middle East there would no longer be any rationale for these attacks.
    , @John Pepple
    In 1979, Khomeini's henchmen murdered lots of secular leftists, even though they hated Western interference in the Middle East as much as the Muslims did, and even though they had worked to expel the Shah just as much as Muslims had. The lesson was quite clear: "it doesn't matter what you believe or even what you do, if you're not a Muslim, we have the right to kill you."
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  52. Ed says:

    The new normal. When a mere travel ban of foreigners from a few wretched countries is strongly objected to by the political, judicial & chattering classes, there’s no chance of needed measures being implemented.

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    If I didn't loudly ridicule the travel ban, my friends might think I support Trump, and then my entire peer group would ostracize me. I am willing to die in a terrorist attack to avoid being shunned by the cool kids at school.
    , @sabril

    The new normal
     
    That's why this is depressing more than anything else. The West is on track to become like India, with daily, brutal terrorist attacks.
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  53. mobi says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    I’m having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It’s the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    Enough culprits common to both can be found to make mixed feelings unnecessary.

    (In fairness, none more so than those looking back at us in the mirror.)

    I must say I’m touched by how many concertgoers were either with parents or being picked up by them. I recall I, and my contemporaries, would have been mortified to be caught at a concert with parents, back in the day.

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    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.
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  54. @Buzz Mohawk
    No, of course not. Reporters, pundits and politicians are not addressing the real cause, which we here know is Invade the World -- Invite the World (TM Steve Sailer).

    However, we can and should shut our doors even though we are invading the world. You may have married into a family of assholes, but that doesn't mean you have to invite them all over to your house.

    Even if you married into a family of non-assholes, you might not like for them all to move into your house.

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  55. Alfa158 says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    You are under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world, it is just a different weapon. Bombs or bullets or poison gas; third world immivasion or cultural degradation or political correctness. Different weapons, but all leading to extinction of the target.

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  56. @lavoisier
    WE must never let this tragedy interfere with our ultimate goal of bringing the Third World to the West.

    It would not be who we are.

    And it would put you on “the wrong side of history”.

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    Good one!
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  57. JimB says:

    I guess Muslims in Britain have decided that if they are no longer allowed to rape young white teens with impunity, they might as well kill them with nail bombs.

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  58. @Art Deco
    None. What's notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West (and their “allies”) intervened and completely shattered these societies. I recall reading a tourist guidebook on Syria published in 2010 which noted that it was one of the safest places in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya had the highest level of development of all the African countries prior to its “democratization”.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That's a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.
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  59. We should be accepting no MUSLIM REFUGEES at this time. It is too much of a national security risk to bring these people into our states and into our country.

    Here is some video from December of 2015 where I express the opinion that MUSLIM REFUGEES are a threat to US national security. If I appear agitated, that is because during the TV interview I was being heckled by a rancid bastard. I kept my cool, though, for the most part.
    I gave the guy the Billy Martin treatment when the interview ended.

    The relevant portion starts at 1:26 in the video:

    http://www.wmur.com/article/syrian-refugee-rally/5086314

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  60. I had to look up Ariana Grande; I’d never heard of her before.

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    You must have missed it a couple years ago when she was licking doughnuts on a bakery case and talking about how she hated America.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kDAzYjbugo
    , @Bill B.

    I had to look up Ariana Grande; I’d never heard of her before.
     
    Me too.

    What struck me after 20 seconds of film was how unutterably vapid a performer she is. But then that is par for the course, no?

    If she didn't dress like a shrink-wrapped zucchini and sing endlessly about casual sex and freedom (I am extrapolating here a bit) she would have almost nothing.
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  61. @Art Deco
    None. What's notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 “democratization”.

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    Maybe the people running the West want anarcho-tyranny for for the Middle East, North Africa and us? The evidence is starting to pile up.
    , @Art Deco
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I

    Only in your addled imagination. Consult the good burgesses of Hama and ask them how much domestic tranquility they were enjoying in 1982. The breakdown of political order was a domestic phenomenon in Syria, a country where scores have been accumulating for 50-odd years and the United States has never been influential. Iraq was passably tranquil prior to 1958 and again from 1964 to 1968. It was a charnel house from 1968 to 2003 and suffered terribly during those years. Occidental military operations in Libya were brief and did not include ground troops.

    While you're striking these attitudes and penning encomiums to madcap autocrats, you're forgetting to compare the societies in question to anyplace else on the globe. What holds society together? It's fairly atypical for a place to break down into an anarchic state and remain in that state for years on end. You've had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility.
     
    Actually, all three countries had major malcontents that occasionally erupted in rebellion against the ruling regimes. Iraq had its majority Shiites and minority Kurds, Libya had its increasingly Islamist rebels up in arms about Gadaffi's secular rule and Syria has been chafing under minority Alawite rule ever since Hafez Assad came to power. The one thing these three regimes had in common was their long history of not just opposition to US interests, but of actual attacks on Americans. Iraq, of course, attacked the USS Stark, Libya did the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on GI's in West Germany and Syria was involved in the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon.

    Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme. The oil-producing Gulf kingdoms are important enough that even noted dove Jimmy Carter risked direct confrontation with the Soviets by backing the Afghan mujahideen and initiated the Carter Doctrine, stating that any attack in the Gulf region would be regarded as an attack on the US. And yet Saddam persisted. Saddam dug his own grave by persisting in feeding his Saladin fantasies (while slaughtering Saladin's Kurdish kinfolk). If he had simply complied with UN requirements, he could have kept Iraq's Kurds and Shiites at bay without repercussion. But he had to have the last word.

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  62. @Opinionator
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    What rubbish. The London bombers were recruited entirely from young men who faced imminent marriage to first cousins in Pakistan. Death was an attractive option, I give them that.

    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?

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    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?


    The kind of person who cares about what United States and Israeli decisionmakers think.
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  63. Two steps forward, one step back. Slaughter a bunch of children, then call for ‘tolerance’ and ‘inclusivity.’ Make a few token arrests, go quiet for awhile while the white sheep sink back into Dreamland, then repeat.

    And in twenty years or so there’ll be so many of them in our lands that they won’t need bombs. They can just drag us off to the chopping block.

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    This deathly repetitious jig of slaughter followed by calls for tolerance also risks being speeded up in its effects by Western government attempts to "regularize" Islam.

    Inevitably behind the high minded calls for a French-Islam or a German-Islam will be pious, bigoted Imams taking their lead from the ATM of intolerant religion: Saudi Arabia.

    As the Algerian writer Buoalem Sansal has argued from the Algerian experience attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in a massive expansion of strict, Wahabi-style Islam because it became not something voluntary or popular with old men, as was the case up until the 1980s (in his town that he uses as an example), but de rigueur.

    In other words, Sansal says, the perpetrators of horrific jihadi violence will obtain all their demands when governments make the mistake of attempting to supervise into being a "safe" Islam.

    Worth a listen (with usable subtitles).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-jDG_wnqcE&t=285s

    The takeover, for me, is that there is no good accommodation with Islam qua Islam.

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  64. Sure, we may have to put up with a few bombings, but without Muslims, taxi passengers would be left rotting in the streets!

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  65. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @EriK
    A case of domestic terrorism.

    From the Sun
    "Cops revealed the identity of the lone wolf attacker, who was the son of Libyan refugees, after raiding his house in Fallowfield today where a forensic officer was seen holding a “know your chemicals” booklet."

    I think they meant "known" wolf, but be that as it may, at least it clears up the question whether mass immigration is a problem. Of course it's not. He was simply a Manchester man. A British national.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3624815/manchester-arena-bomb-ariana-grande-gig-22-deaths-59-injured/

    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn’t seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I’m no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn’t be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here’s a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

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    Been to many concerts and sporting events at arenas and stadiums across the US. Whats trikes me about last night is the bomber or his team times this perfectly. The moment the show lets out invariably the exit doors are overwhelmed with people leaving. And this had the added number of parents waiting for their children at exit points.To be at an exit point required no security check; bomber was able to maximize his destruction and get very close.

    The scary part of this is there are some stadiums and arenas that do a very good job of getting people in and out of their venues, but nay that do not. Yankee Stadium, the Barclays Center and Madison Square Garden, for example, get people in and out very quickly. All grasped that numerous exit points work better for everyone rather than herding people into choke points. And others that do a simply awful job. Citifield, and Metlife Stadium are either designed or administered to have crowd bottlenecks and entry and exit points. And the 2 scariest are far and away Fenway Park and Wrigley Filed. Not much you can do with ancient places like that.
    , @EriK

    Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers.
     
    I believe that. Counterproductive to train someone to make bombs and then blow themselves up.
    , @Peter Lund
    It wouldn't be the first time Muslim terrorists used TATP.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide#Use_in_improvised_explosive_devices

    It is not *that* hard to make.
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  66. mobi says:
    @Opinionator
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Tanweer said this …

    And Khan said this…

    Remarkable how the the ‘Tanweers’ and ‘Khans’ of this world turn out to be, more often than not – former petty thieves, former petty drug dealers, former petty pimps, former failed rap artists, etc.

    Useless monkeys, basically. By embracing Jihad, in one magical, fell swoop, all former loserness is wiped away, and they rise from the bottom to the top, in their eyes. ‘Glorious warriors for Allah’, instead of worthless turds.

    They care about the fate of the Palestinians as much as they care about being present to raise their own kids, assuming they know about them.

    As for the high-minded rationalisations for their all-around primitive worthlessness, see – Sweden.

    We shouldn’t be invading the world, and we shouldn’t be inviting the world. In both cases, only and entirely for our own self-interest. There’s no contradiction. It’s practically the motto of this site.

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    Bin Laden was wealthy and educated. The world was his oyster and he gave it all up to fight what he perceived to be injustice. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a bright engineer. Ayman al Zawahri is a physician.
    , @Lot
    Very good response to Opinionator's endless Muslimist trolling.
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  67. Kylie says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    You're right. I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I'll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC.

    “I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I’ll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC.”

    Careful, Buzz. Heidi Beirich will no doubt be at the door of the SPLC to greet you. (She’s been so lonely since Larry Auster died.) You might want to divert her attention from yourself by tossing some bagels to her. Or at her. Whichever you think will keep you safer.

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    You Can't Make This Shit Up Dep't:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-garcia-guitar-idUSKBN18I2CZ

    A one-of-a-kind guitar that became a trademark of sorts for Grateful Dead leader Jerry Garcia could fetch more than $1 million when it goes on the selling block at Guernsey's in New York City later this month.

    Dubbed "Wolf," the instrument was purchased by the musician in 1973 for $1,500 and played for nearly two decades. It sold in 2002 - seven years after Garcia's death - for more than $700,000. That price far surpassed the then-record $497,500, set in 1999 by Eric Clapton's Fender Stratocaster "Brownie."


    Named for its distinctive inlay of a wolf on the lower body, the instrument is one of five that was designed for Garcia by luthier Doug Irwin. The other guitars were dubbed "Eagle," "Tiger," "Wolf Jr.," and "Rosebud."

    Garcia sang and played guitar for the rock band from its formation in 1965 until his death from a heart attack at 53.

    Arlan Ettinger, president of Guernsey's auction house, said in an interview he is curious to see how much it goes for once it is put up for auction again on May 31.

    "The world record for any guitar ever sold, which had been this and its mate 'Tiger' ($957,500) at a million dollars, has since been eclipsed over the last 15 years," he said. "Now it's slightly above $2 million, but we'll see where this goes."

    A Fender Stratocaster signed by some of the world's greatest rock stars including Clapton, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards brought in a record $2.7 million at auction in November 2005.

    Wolf's current owner Daniel Pritzker, a longtime Deadhead, was reluctant to part with the instrument but he felt it was the right thing to do since he intends to donate the proceeds to an organization that works for social justice, Ettinger said.




    "Dan called and said that with the divisiveness going on in our country today he wanted to do something meaningful with Wolf. He ... gave it back to us with instructions to resell it and give all the money - he didn't want a penny of it - to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which for nearly 50 years has been fighting racism, poverty."
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  68. syonredux says:
    @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    You know, Steve has a pithy slogan for what’s going on: Invade the world, invite the world.

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  69. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    How did Israel and the USA destabilize Indonesia , Sudan , Morrocco , Western Sahara , Turkey or Sudan ?

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  70. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger. We wouldn’t dream of asking you to stop killing us, because we almost certainly deserve it no matter what. All we ask is that you share your feelings verbally so that we can understand and appease you. And then, and only then, if you think our efforts are worthy of it, you can decide whether or not we still need more punishment. Thank you. A salaam aleikum.

    I majored in Foucault Studies, with a minor in Social Justice.

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    See Bin Laden's "Letter to America," the link to which posted above.

    See also testimony by the 2005 London subway bombers, also posted above.
    , @for-the-record
    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger.

    From Newsweek, March 31, 2017:

    UNDER TRUMP, U.S. MILITARY HAS ALLEGEDLY KILLED OVER 1,000 CIVILIANS IN IRAQ, SYRIA IN MARCH

    ... “Evidence gathered on the ground in East Mosul points to an alarming pattern of U.S.-led coalition airstrikes which have destroyed whole houses with entire families inside,” said Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International, who carried out field investigations in Mosul.

    “The high civilian toll suggests that coalition forces leading the offensive in Mosul have failed to take adequate precautions to prevent civilian deaths, in flagrant violation of international humanitarian law.”

     

    See also Chalmers Johnson, Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, 2004, ISBN, 0805075593.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Consequences-American-Empire-Project/dp/0805075593/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495590580&sr=8-1&keywords=chalmers+johnson+blowback
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  71. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not "destabilizing those countries", eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    When did Israel bomb Libya and Afghanistan ?

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  72. @Art Deco
    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it's bizarre to divine the views of 'British Jewry' from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group

    Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English.

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    "Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English."

    You can say that about any Mediterranean group in comparison to lily White Northern Europeans. Antonio Banderas, Casey Casem, Cristiano Ronaldo, Jason Mantzoukas, and Nicholas Turturro sure don't look English WASPs either.
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  73. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Ed
    The new normal. When a mere travel ban of foreigners from a few wretched countries is strongly objected to by the political, judicial & chattering classes, there's no chance of needed measures being implemented.

    If I didn’t loudly ridicule the travel ban, my friends might think I support Trump, and then my entire peer group would ostracize me. I am willing to die in a terrorist attack to avoid being shunned by the cool kids at school.

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    If I didn’t loudly ridicule the travel ban…
     
    I ridicule the travel ban, too. For being too wussy.

    What's needed is a total moratorium on Islamic immigration until they can go 25 years without a single terrorist act.

    "They" meaning the entirety of Islam, the whole camelhumpin' billion of 'em.

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  74. sabril says:
    @Ed
    The new normal. When a mere travel ban of foreigners from a few wretched countries is strongly objected to by the political, judicial & chattering classes, there's no chance of needed measures being implemented.

    The new normal

    That’s why this is depressing more than anything else. The West is on track to become like India, with daily, brutal terrorist attacks.

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    If Muslims get too much out of line in India, there are communal riots and a significant number (hundreds in Gujarat in 2002) of them get killed, with the connivance of authorities. There is no similar check on Muslim behavior in Western countries.
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  75. tyrone says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    That’s just the cultural marxist dialectic thingy working it’s weird magic.

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  76. Like several others here I expect, I was calling for a muzzie immigration moratorium, and vigorous deportation of muzzies, 10-15 years ago.

    They keep not listening to me/us, with the very consequences that were explained to them. A lot of innocent people are dead because this advice keeps not being followed.

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  77. Thomas says:
    @22pp22
    It will have no effect. Rotherham still votes Labour.

    Japanese proverb. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai. There's no medicine for stupidity.

    Rotherham was the first thing I thought of here. Why would a country that couldn’t care less about its daughters becoming prey for Muslim rape rings care any more about its daughters getting blown up by Muslim suicide bombers?

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  78. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco
    But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    'Poverty' by occidental standards is pretty much endemic in much of the world and always has been. It's not 'created' by Islam.

    Well if Islam doesn’t create poverty, it doesn’t create wealth (that doesn’t come out of the ground) either. The intellectual and industrial achievements of Islam in the last 500+ years are nil. By eschewing all knowledge except memorization of the Koran, by its imprisonment of women, by its medieval attitudes, Islam pretty much assures that a country will never escape from poverty unless it has oil under it.

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    It's a bit more than 500 years. Islam conquered Spain and Portugual, Egypt, Persia and the Byzantium eastern Roman Empire which was the heir to Greece.

    Most of those glorious achievements were not Arab Muslim but ancient and Christian achievements. For instance, Haroun al Rachid 900AD was praised for the preservation of ancient science and philosophy. But the copiers that did the actual work were Christian Syrian monks who established their libraries long before the Muslim conquest. The allegedly great Arab physicians just followed the same Galen nonsense the European Drs did. Algebra came from India.

    Most history has been written to denigrate Christianity and White Europeans and praise anything not Christian and European. The Arab Muslims destroyed the great ancient civilizations in 400 years and the areas have not recovered and never will no matter how rich the countries may be.
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  79. George says:

    Not being sophisticated in the ways of the West the bomber set off her charge when people started leaving early. If she waited it might have been like 100 killed.

    But don’t worry, when comes to bombing the West is way ahead during the war on terror. I think even including the WTC kickoff event and military casualties (including unrelated wars in Somalia and Iraq) they are are in the low 5 digits, and haven’t scored big in a decade I would say. I would not be surprised if the West turned out to cause low millions of deaths. So we are like totally winning this thing.

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  80. Jack D says:
    @mobi

    I’m having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It’s the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    Enough culprits common to both can be found to make mixed feelings unnecessary.

    (In fairness, none more so than those looking back at us in the mirror.)

    I must say I'm touched by how many concertgoers were either with parents or being picked up by them. I recall I, and my contemporaries, would have been mortified to be caught at a concert with parents, back in the day.

    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.

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    Ariana Grande has a very young fan base, probably more tweens than teens.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    At least two of the survivors being interviewed last night had driven down from Aberdeen, and were all set to drive back, except the police wouldn't let them get to their car, down the far end of Corporation St. Sturdy lasses. An effortful drive even in daylight, M6, M8, M90, and then the godawful farm track of the A90.
    , @Brutusale
    Yes, society has come a long way since my 13-year old self and my 14-year old brother took the MBTA to the old Boston Garden to see Jethro Tull.
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  81. Jack D says:
    @Percy Gryce
    Yes, and here's the homepage of WAMU, the principal NPR affiliate in Washington, D.C.:

    https://twitter.com/percy_gryce/status/867072697997590528

    Still looks like that as of 3:45 PM EDT:

    http://wamu.org/

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  82. Jack D says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/andrejpwalker/status/867047106594385922

    REFUGEE OVERLOAD is destroying Britain and the United States. The evil ruling class in Britain and the evil ruling class in the United States is importing REFUGEE OVERLOAD in a deliberate attempt to destroy cultural cohesion. The ruling class in Britain and the ruling class of the American Empire is now infested with nation-wrecking rodents. REFUGEE OVERLOAD brings ISLAMIC TERRORISM to Britain and the United States.

    The #Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, was a Libyan refugee born in 1994 in the city.

    If he was born in Manchester then he wasn’t a refugee. His PARENTS were refugees (not really because the father apparently went back and forth to Tripoli – so much for “fear of persecution”). But it seems like he didn’t assimilate into British culture at all. That’s the real problem. Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won’t assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.

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    "But it seems like he didn’t assimilate into British culture at all."

    Muslims don't assimilate into the host countries they immigrate to. Muslims want the host countries to assimilate into their culture, not the other way around.
    , @anonymous
    His father sounds like a good bloke.

    Police yesterday recovered CCTV of Abedi striding into the Manchester Arena with what officers believe was a home-made bomb

    Amid a series of other revelations, it was claimed that his father – an airport security officer – had left the UK to fight in Libya.

    Today, he denied his son is linked to militants or the suicide bombing.

    Ramadan Abedi says he spoke to his 22-year-old son, Salman Abedi, five days ago and he was getting ready to visit Saudi Arabia and sounded "normal."He said that his son visited Libya a month-and-a -half ago.The elder Abedi told The Associated Press by telephone from Tripoli: "We don't believe in killing innocents. This is not us."

    He said his other son, Ismail, was arrested in England on Tuesday morning. He said Salman was planning to head from Saudi Arabia to Libya to spend the holy month of Ramadan with family.
    Abedi fled Tripoli in 1993 after Moammar Gadhafi's security authorities issued an arrest warrant and eventually sought political asylum in Britain. Now, he is the administrative manager of the Central Security force in Tripoli.

    Sources also said the bomber's mother had raised concerns about her son's radical views before she herself left for Libya. --Daily Mail UK

     

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  83. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    'Poverty' by occidental standards is pretty much endemic in much of the world and always has been. It's not 'created' by Islam.

    Well, it sure did a number on the “Paris of the Middle East”.

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  84. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    What will happen now as a result, what will the British learn from this? Answer: Nothing. They’ll just keep doing what they’ve been doing and get the same results. If anything they’ll just subject themselves to an even tighter police state without emphasizing the likely culprits among them so as not to risk stigmatizing that segment of the population. Occasional blowouts like this are going to be accepted as the price one has to pay for living in a multicult paradise, a price the political leadership believes to be worth paying. Perhaps public events like this will be deemed too risky and everybody will just stream it at home. They fought the Germans to achieve this?

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  85. “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

    Winston Churchill 1899 The River War: An Historical Account of the Reconquest of the Soudan

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    Some MP was prosecuted for reading that out loud in Parliament.
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  86. Bastion says:
    @anon
    s not depressing Steve , you brute. What would be depressing is if this incident provoked an Islamophobic backlash against innocent Muslims.

    Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim. A cursory read of the Koran proves it to be a peaceful book.

    We need to do some soul searching. I mean my head is literrally spinning. We marginalized this young man. We need to do a better job at integration.

    We cannot let them win. We need to win them over with love. If we dont let refugees in than the terrorists win. Its 2017 guys , why cant you undrstand this. wow just wow

    Yes, we have to remember the moderate Muslims. Extremist muslims are the ones who attack and murder westerners. Moderate muslims are the ones who want extremists to attack and murder us. Big difference.

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  87. Tex says:
    @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    Have you not noticed that antipathy to “invade the world, invite the world” policies is pretty standard issue around here?

    A disinclination to see our fellow citizens murdered in their homeland, no matter how much invading our elite overlords have done, is also pretty standard.

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    Have you not noticed that antipathy to “invade the world, invite the world” policies is pretty standard issue around here?


    Judging by the responses to this thread, a large number of commenters (half?) have bought into the Zionist narrative.
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  88. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth – let’s see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    All that does not prove Islam is not a religion. They prove that it is indeed a religion.

    When Christianity was a real religion, it slew its enemies and conquered and converted by the sword. Men killed and died for it. Islam still has a large element of that, of course many Muslims are not involved in jihad, but enough of them are it survives as a religion.

    Of course, National Socialism was a religion, too. Ask “Sri Hitler and the pandits of Germany”. They are dead, but their writings live on. So do those of Savitri Devi.

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  89. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Kylie
    "I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I’ll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC."

    Careful, Buzz. Heidi Beirich will no doubt be at the door of the SPLC to greet you. (She's been so lonely since Larry Auster died.) You might want to divert her attention from yourself by tossing some bagels to her. Or at her. Whichever you think will keep you safer.

    You Can’t Make This Shit Up Dep’t:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-garcia-guitar-idUSKBN18I2CZ

    A one-of-a-kind guitar that became a trademark of sorts for Grateful Dead leader Jerry Garcia could fetch more than $1 million when it goes on the selling block at Guernsey’s in New York City later this month.

    Dubbed “Wolf,” the instrument was purchased by the musician in 1973 for $1,500 and played for nearly two decades. It sold in 2002 – seven years after Garcia’s death – for more than $700,000. That price far surpassed the then-record $497,500, set in 1999 by Eric Clapton’s Fender Stratocaster “Brownie.”

    Named for its distinctive inlay of a wolf on the lower body, the instrument is one of five that was designed for Garcia by luthier Doug Irwin. The other guitars were dubbed “Eagle,” “Tiger,” “Wolf Jr.,” and “Rosebud.”

    Garcia sang and played guitar for the rock band from its formation in 1965 until his death from a heart attack at 53.

    Arlan Ettinger, president of Guernsey’s auction house, said in an interview he is curious to see how much it goes for once it is put up for auction again on May 31.

    “The world record for any guitar ever sold, which had been this and its mate ‘Tiger’ ($957,500) at a million dollars, has since been eclipsed over the last 15 years,” he said. “Now it’s slightly above $2 million, but we’ll see where this goes.”

    A Fender Stratocaster signed by some of the world’s greatest rock stars including Clapton, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards brought in a record $2.7 million at auction in November 2005.

    Wolf’s current owner Daniel Pritzker, a longtime Deadhead, was reluctant to part with the instrument but he felt it was the right thing to do since he intends to donate the proceeds to an organization that works for social justice, Ettinger said.

    “Dan called and said that with the divisiveness going on in our country today he wanted to do something meaningful with Wolf. He … gave it back to us with instructions to resell it and give all the money – he didn’t want a penny of it – to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which for nearly 50 years has been fighting racism, poverty.”

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  90. Tacitus says:

    I don’t like living in a supermarket. I liked living in our old country clubs with all their standards.

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  91. weyyar says:

    The target was young white girls and that was probably intentional. Kill them if they won’t have sex with you. At any rate, the response will obviously to import millions of more Muslims. I have no sympathy for Europeans who won’t fight to save their own countries from Third World barbarity.

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    Commenter MW agrees with the bomber that young White girls deserve death because they are "sluts" even at age 8 which was the age of one of the girls killed.
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  92. ussr andy says:

    Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won’t assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.

    one can be assimilated (POZd middle class values, not blowing sh** up etc) but still be 5th column.

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  93. “As I look forward, I am filled with foreboding, like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood”.

    Enoch Powell
    04/20/1968

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    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.
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  94. @sabril

    The new normal
     
    That's why this is depressing more than anything else. The West is on track to become like India, with daily, brutal terrorist attacks.

    If Muslims get too much out of line in India, there are communal riots and a significant number (hundreds in Gujarat in 2002) of them get killed, with the connivance of authorities. There is no similar check on Muslim behavior in Western countries.

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  95. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @for-the-record

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.
     
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its "allies", Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 "democratization".

    Maybe the people running the West want anarcho-tyranny for for the Middle East, North Africa and us? The evidence is starting to pile up.

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  96. @james wilson
    What rubbish. The London bombers were recruited entirely from young men who faced imminent marriage to first cousins in Pakistan. Death was an attractive option, I give them that.

    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?

    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?

    The kind of person who cares about what United States and Israeli decisionmakers think.

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  97. Art Deco says:
    @Opinionator
    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not "destabilizing those countries", eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    “Meddling” is a nonsense term. Israel has not been at war with any of these countries (bar some brief aerial dogfights) in 40-odd years (and has never been at war with two of them). It has been at war with paramilitaries operating on Lebanese territory, paramilitaries which wanted to mix it up (which is why they were staging cross-border raids). No military operations engaged in by the U.S. government explain why these places have proved supremely bad at crafting working political societies or even maintaining minimal order in recent years.

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    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it. Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.
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  98. @mobi

    Tanweer said this ...

    And Khan said this...
     
    Remarkable how the the 'Tanweers' and 'Khans' of this world turn out to be, more often than not - former petty thieves, former petty drug dealers, former petty pimps, former failed rap artists, etc.

    Useless monkeys, basically. By embracing Jihad, in one magical, fell swoop, all former loserness is wiped away, and they rise from the bottom to the top, in their eyes. 'Glorious warriors for Allah', instead of worthless turds.

    They care about the fate of the Palestinians as much as they care about being present to raise their own kids, assuming they know about them.

    As for the high-minded rationalisations for their all-around primitive worthlessness, see - Sweden.

    We shouldn't be invading the world, and we shouldn't be inviting the world. In both cases, only and entirely for our own self-interest. There's no contradiction. It's practically the motto of this site.

    Bin Laden was wealthy and educated. The world was his oyster and he gave it all up to fight what he perceived to be injustice. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a bright engineer. Ayman al Zawahri is a physician.

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    OBL was a man of such quality we haven't seen in a long, long time in the supposed American "elite." We are ruled by pathetic midgets who inherited a country built by heroes and giants like Washington and Jefferson.

    "If I had only ten qualities to enumerate in drafting a thumbnail biographical sketch of [bin Laden]," writes Scheuer," they would be: pious, brave, generous, intelligent, charismatic, patient, visionary, stubborn, egalitarian, and most of all, realistic."

    This realistic portrait of bin Laden's life begins in his early years as a privileged Saudi Arabian youth. Before discussing the infamous terrorist that the world now knows, Scheuer shows the reader a bright, motivated, and admired young man who excelled at both manual labor and academic studies.

    Job-site construction experience would prove crucial in bin Laden's later conflicts with the Soviets and Americans. For example, S presents oral Scheuer presents oral ccounts of a determined and brave Osama bin Laden on the Afghan battlefield fighting the Soviets, driving his bulldozer to the front lines to dig new trenches for his mujahedeen.

    If there was one aspect to remember from bin Laden's years working for his father, it was his acquisition of a will to both passionately lead while remaining in and among those who followed him, a quality that would serve him well as a key figure in Al Qaeda.
     
    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of ISIS is similarly far more personally impressive than anyone we can find in our ruling class.

    Pathetic but true.
    , @biz
    They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don't know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don't even try that hard.

    What they are motivated by is an eternity for their souls in paradise which is what their religion teaches them awaits such martyrs - that is what can motivate somebody to give up Earthly riches and indeed their life, and that is what they explicitly say in their martyrdom videos, and in outlets like ISIS's Dabiq magazine. Check it out sometime, you might learn something.

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  99. Art Deco says:
    @Sandy Berger's Socks
    "As I look forward, I am filled with foreboding, like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood".

    Enoch Powell
    04/20/1968

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

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    "generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively"

    I would imagine that their homicide count over the last 50 years must run into four figures (when government used to report the race of homicide perps and victims, "minorities" generally accounted for 20% of perps), and that's without including people like Germaine Lindsay, who killed 26 people in the 7/7 bombings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_Lindsay

    I'd say 12% of the prison population with only 3% of the UK population was more than "nuisance", while maybe not an existential threat (Muslims are now 15% of the prison population).

    , @Detective Club
    British West Indian immigrants don't engage in crime for religious reasons - - - only simply for monetary gain. Walk through the Hackney or Brixton districts of London, if you dare, these were once poor White areas, where there used to be some measure of crime. Now it's mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.
    https://youtu.be/e6X26j9v13A
    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC. She admitted to over-staying her tourist visa. "The rents in the funky parts of London are still relatively cheap but my life is worth a price that is much more dear to me, personally," she said. Not all Blacks are stupid.

    Yes, she appeared to have chosen a new American life as a medium-level prostitute and no, I wasn't a prospective customer, hoping to sample her wares. Most Americans still consider the Limey or Cockney accent sexy. Me, every time I hear that accent, I cringe. The English seem to enjoy throwing their country down the drain. To my ears, the English accent is the horrible screech of imbeciles.
    , @syonredux

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population,
     
    Large enough to cause trouble.....

    do not hail from populous source countries,
     
    Like Puerto Ricans......

    are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat,
     
    Certainly not racially kindred....

    and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively.
     
    Not if you live near them.....

    His predictions proved to be nonsense.
     
    That immigration by non-Europeans is a bad thing? Seems to me that he's vindicated every day....
    , @syonredux
    Words that need to be heard:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWHPJ8hO-ZM
    , @syonredux
    More wise words:

    Rudyard Kipling

    The Stranger

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.
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  100. @Opinionator
    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not "destabilizing those countries", eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    ‘Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!’

    What is your point? A bunch of teeny-boppers at a rock concert in the UK aren’t responsible for American foreign policy. If these useless goons wanted to change something, go after politicians. Instead they choose soft targets because they’re cowards.

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    Churchill and Harry Truman went after soft targets.
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  101. WR says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    “…the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.”

    I don’t know about Ariana Grande but you are certainly the enemy of the gynocratic left (whether you know it or not). You don’t partake in their secular religion and therefore you are a “Nazi” who wants to drive a wedge between enlightened Westerners and their Muslim friends.

    Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch

    To all my dear Muslim brothers and sisters in Manchester and across the U.K., we got your back. Neither terrorists nor Nazis will divide us.

    Somewhere else, she states “Nazis are not welcome.”

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  102. @Art Deco
    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    "Meddling" is a nonsense term. Israel has not been at war with any of these countries (bar some brief aerial dogfights) in 40-odd years (and has never been at war with two of them). It has been at war with paramilitaries operating on Lebanese territory, paramilitaries which wanted to mix it up (which is why they were staging cross-border raids). No military operations engaged in by the U.S. government explain why these places have proved supremely bad at crafting working political societies or even maintaining minimal order in recent years.

    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it. Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.

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    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it.

    In the world which exists only between your two ears, perhaps. Out here in meatworld, American troops have never been deployed in Israel or in any adjacent area except as part of multinational missions meant for monitoring or patrol. (As in West Beirut from 1982 to 1984). The last European deployment which did not fit that description was the British and French Suez expedition in 1956, wherein they were plainly pursuing their own interests.

    Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.

    Other than some aerial dogfights with Syria and a couple of bombing raids (contra Iraq's nuclear program and PLO hq in Tunis), Israel hasn't been at war with any neighboring state in 43 years. Aside from their adjunct role in the Suez expedition, Israel has never been willingly at war with any of them. All of Israel's military operations since 1973 have been directed at criminal organizations camped out on Israel's borders: Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, various sects associated with Al Fatah. It's pretty simple to avoid coming to blows with Israel. Jordan has managed it for 50 years, in spite of a long border with Israel proper and with areas in its security perimeter. Hamas could manage it too, if they didn't get their jollies building tunnels and launching artillery barrages against Jewish towns.

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  103. @Tex
    Have you not noticed that antipathy to "invade the world, invite the world" policies is pretty standard issue around here?

    A disinclination to see our fellow citizens murdered in their homeland, no matter how much invading our elite overlords have done, is also pretty standard.

    Have you not noticed that antipathy to “invade the world, invite the world” policies is pretty standard issue around here?

    Judging by the responses to this thread, a large number of commenters (half?) have bought into the Zionist narrative.

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    I enjoy that you are redefining "Zionist" to mean anyone who objects to getting slaughtered in our streets and cities by Islamist maniacs, and anyone who recognizes the cause and effect between terrorism and Islamist religious beliefs vis a vis martyrdom and infidels.
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  104. Daniel H says:
    @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    >>One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care).

    It doesn’t add any light to assert that Islam is not a religion. Islam is most definitely a religion, just a totalitarian religion, and that doesn’t make it any less a religion.

    Late Romand and Medieval Roman Catholicism was a totalitarian religion to a great extent, but that didn’t make it evil. Roman Catholicism tried and fairly well succeeded in infusing the entire day with a Christian outlook. It of course did it largely through persuasion and for those who didn’t go along it used ostracism, not terror and violence (except in isolated cases, which were not policy). But Islam is most definitely a religion, a very dangerous one, to believers and non-believers alike.

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    Who cares whether something is classified as a "religion" or not?
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    The distinction here is that Islam is a fellaheen religion which is devoid of metaphysical content. There is nothing new that can come from Islam; it is already "finished." The Islamic hordes whom we see today are the final state; they are simply masses of directionless, rootless men for whom the bestial impulses toward survival and dominance are all that remains in the blood. Islam today is best understood as a sort of "pirate code" that sets the rules for aboard-ship discipline between fellow pirates while defining the rest of the world as bounty and spoil.
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  106. @William Badwhite
    'Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!'

    What is your point? A bunch of teeny-boppers at a rock concert in the UK aren't responsible for American foreign policy. If these useless goons wanted to change something, go after politicians. Instead they choose soft targets because they're cowards.

    Churchill and Harry Truman went after soft targets.

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    Objection, relevance. Also, having read a fair amount about WW2, I'm fairly certain Churchill and Truman went after hard targets as well. And ultimately they won.

    We get, you think the killings are justified because...something or other.

    However these murderous savages aren't ever going to achieve their goals by blowing up concerts and trains. Is killing these soft targets doing anything to change U.S. foreign policy? No. Is it ever going to? Doubtful.

    Would going after politicians and their neocon cheerleaders and loudly announce why they did it? Perhaps. Why don't they try that? Because they're stupid and cowardly.
    , @Brutusale
    Re: Truman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olZLIC4T9uE
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  107. Bill B. says:
    @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Two steps forward, one step back. Slaughter a bunch of children, then call for 'tolerance' and 'inclusivity.' Make a few token arrests, go quiet for awhile while the white sheep sink back into Dreamland, then repeat.

    And in twenty years or so there'll be so many of them in our lands that they won't need bombs. They can just drag us off to the chopping block.

    This deathly repetitious jig of slaughter followed by calls for tolerance also risks being speeded up in its effects by Western government attempts to “regularize” Islam.

    Inevitably behind the high minded calls for a French-Islam or a German-Islam will be pious, bigoted Imams taking their lead from the ATM of intolerant religion: Saudi Arabia.

    As the Algerian writer Buoalem Sansal has argued from the Algerian experience attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in a massive expansion of strict, Wahabi-style Islam because it became not something voluntary or popular with old men, as was the case up until the 1980s (in his town that he uses as an example), but de rigueur.

    In other words, Sansal says, the perpetrators of horrific jihadi violence will obtain all their demands when governments make the mistake of attempting to supervise into being a “safe” Islam.

    Worth a listen (with usable subtitles).

    The takeover, for me, is that there is no good accommodation with Islam qua Islam.

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    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore

    fixed it for you!
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  108. @anonymous
    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger. We wouldn't dream of asking you to stop killing us, because we almost certainly deserve it no matter what. All we ask is that you share your feelings verbally so that we can understand and appease you. And then, and only then, if you think our efforts are worthy of it, you can decide whether or not we still need more punishment. Thank you. A salaam aleikum.

    I majored in Foucault Studies, with a minor in Social Justice.

    See Bin Laden’s “Letter to America,” the link to which posted above.

    See also testimony by the 2005 London subway bombers, also posted above.

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  109. Art Deco says:
    @for-the-record

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.
     
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its "allies", Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 "democratization".

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I

    Only in your addled imagination. Consult the good burgesses of Hama and ask them how much domestic tranquility they were enjoying in 1982. The breakdown of political order was a domestic phenomenon in Syria, a country where scores have been accumulating for 50-odd years and the United States has never been influential. Iraq was passably tranquil prior to 1958 and again from 1964 to 1968. It was a charnel house from 1968 to 2003 and suffered terribly during those years. Occidental military operations in Libya were brief and did not include ground troops.

    While you’re striking these attitudes and penning encomiums to madcap autocrats, you’re forgetting to compare the societies in question to anyplace else on the globe. What holds society together? It’s fairly atypical for a place to break down into an anarchic state and remain in that state for years on end. You’ve had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.

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    Red herring.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    You’ve had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.
     
    Might just be Semitic genes.
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  110. Art Deco says:
    @for-the-record
    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West (and their "allies") intervened and completely shattered these societies. I recall reading a tourist guidebook on Syria published in 2010 which noted that it was one of the safest places in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya had the highest level of development of all the African countries prior to its "democratization".

    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That’s a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

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    You are trying to distract from the fact that Jews and the United States are invading and bombing the Middle East.
    , @for-the-record
    That’s a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Yes, you're right it's from Alice in Wonderland, sorry no it's from Diana Darke, Syria (Bradt Travel Guide), 2010, p. 40:

    Contrary to its image, Syria is probably one of the safest countries in the world. Violent or petty crime towards foreigners is virtually non-existent, and at the time of writing no foreigner had ever been the target of violence. Such violence as does exist is usually in the context of a family feud where honour is implicated and retaliation is considered necessary to safeguard the family reputation. To steal something from a foreigner would be regarded as shameful and against the principle of hospitality to the guest. That said, there have been occasional cases of pickpocketing and passport theft in the Damascus and Aleppo souks, though visiting Russians renewing their Turkish visas are the prime suspects rather than local people.
     
    , @Frau Katze
    Opinionator is an Islamist apologist. He seems unfamiliar with the Koran and the stated goal of Islam to take over the entire world.

    I am NOT one who thinks the interventions in the Middle East were a good idea. Clearly they weren't.

    But even without them, the die was cast when Europe permitted millions of Muslim "guest workers" to stay. This decision dates back to the 60s, 70s. Further millions were allowed in later for no good reason.

    Does Opinionator know that once Muslims take over a piece of land it is then part of Dar al Salam and must remain so?

    Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal).

    No, Opinionator, pacificism won't help in the face of this military cult, built for one thing: expansion.
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  111. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    From a New York Times review of a book by the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission:

    Talking to the detainees was especially important because the commission was charged with explaining not only what happened, but also why it happened. In looking into the background of the hijackers, the staff found that religious orthodoxy was not a common denominator since some of the members “reportedly even consumed alcohol and abused drugs.” Others engaged in casual sex. Instead, hatred of American foreign policy in the Middle East seemed to be the key factor. Speaking to the F.B.I. agents who investigated the attacks, Hamilton asked: “You’ve looked [at] and examined the lives of these people as closely as anybody. . . . What have you found out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do it?”

    These questions fell to Supervisory Special Agent James Fitzgerald. “I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States,” he said. “They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States.” As if to reinforce the point, the commission discovered that the original plan for 9/11 envisioned an even larger attack. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the strategist of the 9/11 plot, “was going to fly the final plane, land it and make ‘a speech denouncing U.S. policies in the Middle East,’” Kean and Hamilton say, quoting a staff statement. And they continue: “Lee felt that there had to be an acknowledgment that a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was vital to America’s long-term relationship with the Islamic world, and that the presence of American forces in the Middle East was a major motivating factor in Al Qaeda’s actions.”

    Given the Bush administration’s current policies in the region, another 9/11-style attack is less a matter of if than when.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/books/review/20Bamford.html

     

    All the more reason to keep people from this culture out of our countries.

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  112. Art Deco says:
    @Opinionator
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    You’re a committed Arab partisan, you have a very weak sense of how to assess the agency and responsibility of individuals and collectives, and you want dead Jews and excuses for manufacturing more dead Jews. You don’t know much and you respond to banal factual information by impugning the character of people who take exception to whatever the consensus is in the circle jerks you inhabit. Tough.

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    You are trying to deflect responsibility from Jewish individuals and collectives.
    , @Anonymous
    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America's business. Naturally I would hope they would conduct themselves civilly but that would be to apply standards that are not theirs to them.
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    Am still waiting to hear even one word of condemnation from the World of Allah. Guess I shouldn’t hold my breath huh?

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  114. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @TheJester
    Here is a humane solution to Islamic terrorism:

    Desperate times require desperate measures. The people of Western Europe and the Americas need to tell theirIslamic communities to solve the problem of Jihad and terrorism against Christians ... or they, en masse, will be deported to their location of ethnic origin regardless of citizenship. Motivate them to have some "skin in the game" or face the consequences. Their communities are the source of the problem, force them to fix it ... or else.

    If we find bodies mysteriously appearing in alleys in their communities, so be it.

    Why not just tell them all to get out? Why even give them the option of fixing it? Just tell them to get out and stay out?

    I mean, sure, that’s never going to happen, but neither is your suggestion.

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  115. @Art Deco
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I

    Only in your addled imagination. Consult the good burgesses of Hama and ask them how much domestic tranquility they were enjoying in 1982. The breakdown of political order was a domestic phenomenon in Syria, a country where scores have been accumulating for 50-odd years and the United States has never been influential. Iraq was passably tranquil prior to 1958 and again from 1964 to 1968. It was a charnel house from 1968 to 2003 and suffered terribly during those years. Occidental military operations in Libya were brief and did not include ground troops.

    While you're striking these attitudes and penning encomiums to madcap autocrats, you're forgetting to compare the societies in question to anyplace else on the globe. What holds society together? It's fairly atypical for a place to break down into an anarchic state and remain in that state for years on end. You've had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.

    Red herring.

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  116. @Art Deco
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    You're a committed Arab partisan, you have a very weak sense of how to assess the agency and responsibility of individuals and collectives, and you want dead Jews and excuses for manufacturing more dead Jews. You don't know much and you respond to banal factual information by impugning the character of people who take exception to whatever the consensus is in the circle jerks you inhabit. Tough.

    You are trying to deflect responsibility from Jewish individuals and collectives.

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  117. @Art Deco
    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That's a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    You are trying to distract from the fact that Jews and the United States are invading and bombing the Middle East.

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    Israel is located in the Near East. It's not invading any place and controls less territory than it did 50 years ago.

    As for the United States, it's helpful if you wish to avoid being the subject of an American invasion not to host criminal organizations which carry out operations in Manhattan. It's also helpful to not invade and despoil harmless oil principalities. Works for most countries.
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  118. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer

    Mark Steyn :

    “Carrying on exactly as before”, as The Independent advises, will not be possible. A few months ago, I was in Toulouse, where Jewish life has vanished from public visibility and is conducted only behind the prison-like walls of a fortress schoolhouse and a centralized synagogue that requires 24/7 protection by French soldiers; I went to Amsterdam, which is markedly less gay than it used to be; I walked through Molenbeek after dark, where unaccompanied women dare not go. You can carry on, you can stagger on, but life is not exactly as it was before. Inch by inch, it’s smaller and more constrained.

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    This town is coming like a ghost town.

    https://youtu.be/RZ2oXzrnti4
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    @Jack D
    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.

    Ariana Grande has a very young fan base, probably more tweens than teens.

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    One of the dead is only 8 years old. The youngest wounded is only 6. The fan base is basically about 8 to 14.

    If I were a moderator I would ban MW forever. Those 12 and 13 year old "sluts" are our people, White European British girls. And they were murdered by a religious Puritan similar to MW.
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  120. @Daniel H
    >>One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care).

    It doesn't add any light to assert that Islam is not a religion. Islam is most definitely a religion, just a totalitarian religion, and that doesn't make it any less a religion.

    Late Romand and Medieval Roman Catholicism was a totalitarian religion to a great extent, but that didn't make it evil. Roman Catholicism tried and fairly well succeeded in infusing the entire day with a Christian outlook. It of course did it largely through persuasion and for those who didn't go along it used ostracism, not terror and violence (except in isolated cases, which were not policy). But Islam is most definitely a religion, a very dangerous one, to believers and non-believers alike.

    Who cares whether something is classified as a “religion” or not?

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  121. @Art Deco
    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    “generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively”

    I would imagine that their homicide count over the last 50 years must run into four figures (when government used to report the race of homicide perps and victims, “minorities” generally accounted for 20% of perps), and that’s without including people like Germaine Lindsay, who killed 26 people in the 7/7 bombings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_Lindsay

    I’d say 12% of the prison population with only 3% of the UK population was more than “nuisance”, while maybe not an existential threat (Muslims are now 15% of the prison population).

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  122. @for-the-record

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.
     
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its "allies", Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 "democratization".

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility.

    Actually, all three countries had major malcontents that occasionally erupted in rebellion against the ruling regimes. Iraq had its majority Shiites and minority Kurds, Libya had its increasingly Islamist rebels up in arms about Gadaffi’s secular rule and Syria has been chafing under minority Alawite rule ever since Hafez Assad came to power. The one thing these three regimes had in common was their long history of not just opposition to US interests, but of actual attacks on Americans. Iraq, of course, attacked the USS Stark, Libya did the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on GI’s in West Germany and Syria was involved in the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon.

    Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme. The oil-producing Gulf kingdoms are important enough that even noted dove Jimmy Carter risked direct confrontation with the Soviets by backing the Afghan mujahideen and initiated the Carter Doctrine, stating that any attack in the Gulf region would be regarded as an attack on the US. And yet Saddam persisted. Saddam dug his own grave by persisting in feeding his Saladin fantasies (while slaughtering Saladin’s Kurdish kinfolk). If he had simply complied with UN requirements, he could have kept Iraq’s Kurds and Shiites at bay without repercussion. But he had to have the last word.

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    Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme
     
    As was Germany's invasion of France. Note that in both conflicts, we sided with the antisuffragist victims against their suffragist invaders. Just sayin'…
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  123. @Jim Don Bob

    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
     
    Winston Churchill 1899 The River War: An Historical Account of the Reconquest of the Soudan

    Some MP was prosecuted for reading that out loud in Parliament.

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  124. Alden says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn’t see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950′s abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960′s?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

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    I recommend the movie La Grande Vadrouille, about the resistance in France. When the men come up out of the catacombs into the city streets the first people they run into are hookers. You will notice that their dress was exactly what fashionable young ladies from "good" and Catholic French families wear on a night out today. It's certainly pleasing to my young perverted eye but the consciousness that the sexual revolution has turned the whole world into a brothel certainly does not make me feel at ease about letting my future daughters stray too far from the house or the convent school, if you get my drift.

    And then we could talk about the men in the movie. Let's just say the farmers and the proles in the movie make most "bourgeois" men in modern France look like hobos. And France is still, relatively speaking, one of the best-dressed countries on Earth.

    In any event, the answer to Islamic prudery and violence is certainly not laxism and flabbiness. The West has a serious disciplinary problem for about 50 years running and that indiscipline is precisely why we are losing the fight to keep the countries we call home.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Wow, calm down.


    I didn’t see anyone dressed as a slut.

     

    They're attending a concert with a singer who sings: "Wrist icicle, ride dick bicycle"*.
    Heres a concert with that song Ariana Grande - Side to Side - Dangerous Woman Tour Omaha - 2017 .
    Slut status: fact checked.


    The youngest wounded was only 6 years old.

     

    What kind of slut takes a 6 year old child along with them to see such a concert?

    * Is a dick bicycle similar to a cock carousel? Also, I don't even want to know what a wrist icicle is.
    , @reiner Tor
    As others have pointed out, the Arienne Grandes of the world are also part of the problem.

    Nobody said that the little girls "deserved to die", but this woman is singing about how cool it is to be a slut. It's definitely a problem that 8 or even 6-year-olds are attending her concerts. Of course, it's the parents' and not the children's responsibility.

    I find it surprising that the majority of those answering the original comment didn't get it and misrepresented it as an apology for the dumb Muslim terrorists.
    , @MW
    > girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    That's really not what I was trying to say. Of course they didn't deserve to die.

    In every sub-culture I'm aware of that takes family formation seriously, the women dress modestly, and they take great pains to shield their children from hedonist entertainment. Maybe that's a coincidence, and maybe Ariana Grande is just harmless fun, but I really don't think so.
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  125. @reiner Tor
    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    “Britons” are generally naked, painted blue, and racket around on chariots bellowing in Welsh. Easily spotted, a mile off.
    This ponce wasn’t a Briton. ‘British national’, more like.
    And acting ‘entirely alone’, as well as being ‘mentally ill’. It’s our fault. We voted for it. Bring on the next Happening, please.

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  126. Alden says:
    @prosa123
    Ariana Grande has a very young fan base, probably more tweens than teens.

    One of the dead is only 8 years old. The youngest wounded is only 6. The fan base is basically about 8 to 14.

    If I were a moderator I would ban MW forever. Those 12 and 13 year old “sluts” are our people, White European British girls. And they were murdered by a religious Puritan similar to MW.

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    You really need to calm down.

    I'm no hater of little girls, or of women for that matter, but I seriously question the judgment of a woman who takes a prepubescent child to a show where the singer brags of "riding a dick bicycle", which is self-explanatory, and having a "wrist icicle", which is youthful slang for the semen dripping of your wrist after giving a handjob.

    These poor little girls weren't sluts. Their mums who brought them to see this show, on the other hand...
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  127. Alden says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Why don’t you convert, move to a Muslim country and join the religious police? The youngest wounded was only 6 years old. It was impossible to see what most of the victims were wearing. You just inserted your dour old Puritan beliefs into this tragedy.

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  128. @Deso Dogg
    The culprit wasn't a Muslim, I'm 100% certain---because if it was a Muslim, it wasn't a real Muslim, just someone who called themselves a Muslim. So there's no way Muslims can commit terrorist attacks, let alone do so at a higher per capita rate than other groups, because real Muslims don't commit terrorist attacks.

    Who knows, maybe you’re right. But one thing I do know he is a hot-headed middle eastern male, who comes from a culture with very different values to those of North Europe. Therefore it would be wise not to let people like him into the country.

    It’s race, culture and demography that are the big issues, not liberal and neoconservative arguments about various sects of Islam.

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  129. @Jim Don Bob
    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    Could Bush II have been impeached merely for saying that? It must have been tempting for Democrats to think that, but to do so would cloud their message.

    Trump was awful friendly to those ‘Rabs last week. I’d watch out.

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  130. @Jack D
    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.

    At least two of the survivors being interviewed last night had driven down from Aberdeen, and were all set to drive back, except the police wouldn’t let them get to their car, down the far end of Corporation St. Sturdy lasses. An effortful drive even in daylight, M6, M8, M90, and then the godawful farm track of the A90.

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  131. @Opinionator
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    Art has basically recited the history of the region. That you’re averse to reading history rather than the usual Arab fabrications isn’t his fault.

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  132. wiseguy says:

    “Imagine” has become passé after overuse in the wake of terror attacks.

    Now it’s time for Manchester authorities to bring out Oasis to sing “Roll With It,” since, after all, terrorism is not really a big deal anymore, you just gotta accept it as part of life in the big city, and roll with it.

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  133. @Art Deco
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I

    Only in your addled imagination. Consult the good burgesses of Hama and ask them how much domestic tranquility they were enjoying in 1982. The breakdown of political order was a domestic phenomenon in Syria, a country where scores have been accumulating for 50-odd years and the United States has never been influential. Iraq was passably tranquil prior to 1958 and again from 1964 to 1968. It was a charnel house from 1968 to 2003 and suffered terribly during those years. Occidental military operations in Libya were brief and did not include ground troops.

    While you're striking these attitudes and penning encomiums to madcap autocrats, you're forgetting to compare the societies in question to anyplace else on the globe. What holds society together? It's fairly atypical for a place to break down into an anarchic state and remain in that state for years on end. You've had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.

    You’ve had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.

    Might just be Semitic genes.

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  134. @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    …the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    She’s Italian, but left the Church because they were mean to those like her queer half-brother. (Or half-queer brother. Something.)

    Not to mention she’s from Florida, which is “California without ideas”.

    It’s tempting to say she’s Madonna for eight-year-olds, but Madonna herself was Madonna for eight-year-olds.

    Anyway, here are Wikipedia’s categories for Ariana:

    Categories: Ariana Grande 1993 births 21st-century American actresses 21st-century American singers Actresses from Florida American child actresses American child singers American dance musicians American electronic musicians American female pop singers American musical theatre actresses American people of Italian descent American people of Sicilian descent American people of Abruzzian descent American rhythm and blues singers American sopranos American television actresses Child pop musicians Feminist musicians LGBT rights activists from the United States Living people People from Boca Raton, Florida Republic Records artists Sex-positive feminists Singers from Florida Singers with a four-octave vocal range Universal Music Group artists

    Not promising sources to look for talent or sanity!

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    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date - apparently the victim was a big fan):

    https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e15/11378261_703146036463542_950083194_n.jpg

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it's said that some Sicilians have African admixture - the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    Not to mention she’s from Florida, which is “California without ideas”.
     
    Excellent! I am stealing that.
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  135. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Just to make this concrete, it’s either we let our 12-year olds be inspired by Ariana Grande, who sings about being ****ed so hard she can’t walk (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAfdGZhXYAAtnPt.jpg), probably looking like this (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAeF6KCWAAAQ2F1.jpg) — or we let them get pimped out to Muslim gangs — or we let them be deliberately targeted with nailbombs by a British-citizen-so-stop-talking-about-immigration-it’s-literally-irrelevant-you-bigot.

    We need to start all over again.

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  136. @Opinionator
    Churchill and Harry Truman went after soft targets.

    Objection, relevance. Also, having read a fair amount about WW2, I’m fairly certain Churchill and Truman went after hard targets as well. And ultimately they won.

    We get, you think the killings are justified because…something or other.

    However these murderous savages aren’t ever going to achieve their goals by blowing up concerts and trains. Is killing these soft targets doing anything to change U.S. foreign policy? No. Is it ever going to? Doubtful.

    Would going after politicians and their neocon cheerleaders and loudly announce why they did it? Perhaps. Why don’t they try that? Because they’re stupid and cowardly.

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    "Soft targets" my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.
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  137. @Opinionator
    Bin Laden was wealthy and educated. The world was his oyster and he gave it all up to fight what he perceived to be injustice. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a bright engineer. Ayman al Zawahri is a physician.

    OBL was a man of such quality we haven’t seen in a long, long time in the supposed American “elite.” We are ruled by pathetic midgets who inherited a country built by heroes and giants like Washington and Jefferson.

    “If I had only ten qualities to enumerate in drafting a thumbnail biographical sketch of [bin Laden],” writes Scheuer,” they would be: pious, brave, generous, intelligent, charismatic, patient, visionary, stubborn, egalitarian, and most of all, realistic.”

    This realistic portrait of bin Laden’s life begins in his early years as a privileged Saudi Arabian youth. Before discussing the infamous terrorist that the world now knows, Scheuer shows the reader a bright, motivated, and admired young man who excelled at both manual labor and academic studies.

    Job-site construction experience would prove crucial in bin Laden’s later conflicts with the Soviets and Americans. For example, S presents oral Scheuer presents oral ccounts of a determined and brave Osama bin Laden on the Afghan battlefield fighting the Soviets, driving his bulldozer to the front lines to dig new trenches for his mujahedeen.

    If there was one aspect to remember from bin Laden’s years working for his father, it was his acquisition of a will to both passionately lead while remaining in and among those who followed him, a quality that would serve him well as a key figure in Al Qaeda.

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of ISIS is similarly far more personally impressive than anyone we can find in our ruling class.

    Pathetic but true.

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  138. @Art Deco
    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    British West Indian immigrants don’t engage in crime for religious reasons – – – only simply for monetary gain. Walk through the Hackney or Brixton districts of London, if you dare, these were once poor White areas, where there used to be some measure of crime. Now it’s mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.

    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC. She admitted to over-staying her tourist visa. “The rents in the funky parts of London are still relatively cheap but my life is worth a price that is much more dear to me, personally,” she said. Not all Blacks are stupid.

    Yes, she appeared to have chosen a new American life as a medium-level prostitute and no, I wasn’t a prospective customer, hoping to sample her wares. Most Americans still consider the Limey or Cockney accent sexy. Me, every time I hear that accent, I cringe. The English seem to enjoy throwing their country down the drain. To my ears, the English accent is the horrible screech of imbeciles.

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    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC.
     
    Sure that wasn't Boy George going incognegro?
    , @Art Deco
    Now it’s mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.

    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much. The homicide rate in Britain is no different from that of an ordinary Western European country. The West Indian population is not numerous enough nor troublesome enough to change that. They're also not endogamous.

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  139. @Jim Don Bob
    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    Yes sir, most certainly a religion of peace!

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  140. Alden says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Most of the females were not young women but under 16. I only noticed 2 outfits. One was cell phone footage that began just before the explosion. An older teenager wore a sleeveless White top

    In footage of the floor beneath the escalators I saw a girl in a pink dress running back and forth in panic. Judging by her height in relation to the adults I’d say she was 10 or 11 years old. It was unclear if the dress was modest or not.

    One girl being helped out had one leg of her pants blown off

    I doubt you actually saw the footage. But you just had to make some misogynist remark about girl children. There were plenty of boys and teens at the concert but you ignored them. You should time travel back to Calvins Geneva. I bet you agree with the Muslim fanatics that women and men not be allowed to swim at the same time. Or do you get all turned on by the sight of an 11 year old?

    Go find some Puritan fundamentalists site to spew your hatred of girls on.

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    You get that time travel thing worked out, let me know.
    But to hell with Calvin. I want this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv47QktcBE4


    I prefer my decadence to at least be elegant.
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  141. Looking at the responses to previous terror attacks, I think the West is set to import even more Muslims. And of course the progressives will double down…again!

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  142. Alden says:

    What bothered me about the coverage were the hosannas and praise of the security and medical services. ” The police were on site in 3 minutes”. ” The ambulances and medics wee wonderful” “cab drivers drive the kids home for no charge”. ” hotels offered rooms for no charge”

    God, I hate that cr*p. By 6/am Brit time next morning some PM was blathering about this event won’t drive us away from going to concerts and shopping etc.

    They always do that. They did it in Paris and after the Florida club bombing.

    Sure the police got there right away but the bomber was a known criminal. I doubt the Brit police are allowed to investigate and keep track of Muslim exteemists at all. Plus, too many Brit officers are affirmative action Muslims.

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    By 6/am Brit time next morning some PM was blathering about this event won’t drive us away from going to concerts and shopping etc.
     
    The most cringe-inducing, I think, was the girly Bataclan widower in his thirties and the faggot partner of the slain Champs-Élysées cop respectively calling out, "You will not have my hatred!" just days after the objects of their respective sexual fulfillments had been murdered in cold blood in the name of Allah.

    Let me assure you that if someone murders anyone close to me in an Islamic suicide attack, he and everyone else responsible (collaborators, politicians, journalists, liars) will have my hatred, and I will call out my hatred loudly, clearly and publicly.
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  143. Alden says:
    @Opinionator
    From a New York Times review of a book by the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission:

    Talking to the detainees was especially important because the commission was charged with explaining not only what happened, but also why it happened. In looking into the background of the hijackers, the staff found that religious orthodoxy was not a common denominator since some of the members “reportedly even consumed alcohol and abused drugs.” Others engaged in casual sex. Instead, hatred of American foreign policy in the Middle East seemed to be the key factor. Speaking to the F.B.I. agents who investigated the attacks, Hamilton asked: “You’ve looked [at] and examined the lives of these people as closely as anybody. . . . What have you found out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do it?”

    These questions fell to Supervisory Special Agent James Fitzgerald. “I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States,” he said. “They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States.” As if to reinforce the point, the commission discovered that the original plan for 9/11 envisioned an even larger attack. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the strategist of the 9/11 plot, “was going to fly the final plane, land it and make ‘a speech denouncing U.S. policies in the Middle East,’” Kean and Hamilton say, quoting a staff statement. And they continue: “Lee felt that there had to be an acknowledgment that a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was vital to America’s long-term relationship with the Islamic world, and that the presence of American forces in the Middle East was a major motivating factor in Al Qaeda’s actions.”

    Given the Bush administration’s current policies in the region, another 9/11-style attack is less a matter of if than when.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/books/review/20Bamford.html

     

    So, I gather it’s all right to bomb a teeny bopper concert an kill and wound dozens because of Bush 2?

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  144. Nico says:
    @Alden
    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    I recommend the movie La Grande Vadrouille, about the resistance in France. When the men come up out of the catacombs into the city streets the first people they run into are hookers. You will notice that their dress was exactly what fashionable young ladies from “good” and Catholic French families wear on a night out today. It’s certainly pleasing to my young perverted eye but the consciousness that the sexual revolution has turned the whole world into a brothel certainly does not make me feel at ease about letting my future daughters stray too far from the house or the convent school, if you get my drift.

    And then we could talk about the men in the movie. Let’s just say the farmers and the proles in the movie make most “bourgeois” men in modern France look like hobos. And France is still, relatively speaking, one of the best-dressed countries on Earth.

    In any event, the answer to Islamic prudery and violence is certainly not laxism and flabbiness. The West has a serious disciplinary problem for about 50 years running and that indiscipline is precisely why we are losing the fight to keep the countries we call home.

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    You are an idiot. We can't win over Islam by treating women and girls like Muslims do. What's your point? That the bomber bombed them because they dressed immodestly according to his prevented standards? Or do you think the nuzzles will stop invading and attacking Europe if Europeans put women and girls in burkas? Even the Muslims let little girls dress normally until they are about 4 ft 10.

    What is this some geriatric old codger site?
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  145. Nico says:
    @Alden
    What bothered me about the coverage were the hosannas and praise of the security and medical services. " The police were on site in 3 minutes". " The ambulances and medics wee wonderful" "cab drivers drive the kids home for no charge". " hotels offered rooms for no charge"

    God, I hate that cr*p. By 6/am Brit time next morning some PM was blathering about this event won't drive us away from going to concerts and shopping etc.

    They always do that. They did it in Paris and after the Florida club bombing.

    Sure the police got there right away but the bomber was a known criminal. I doubt the Brit police are allowed to investigate and keep track of Muslim exteemists at all. Plus, too many Brit officers are affirmative action Muslims.

    By 6/am Brit time next morning some PM was blathering about this event won’t drive us away from going to concerts and shopping etc.

    The most cringe-inducing, I think, was the girly Bataclan widower in his thirties and the faggot partner of the slain Champs-Élysées cop respectively calling out, “You will not have my hatred!” just days after the objects of their respective sexual fulfillments had been murdered in cold blood in the name of Allah.

    Let me assure you that if someone murders anyone close to me in an Islamic suicide attack, he and everyone else responsible (collaborators, politicians, journalists, liars) will have my hatred, and I will call out my hatred loudly, clearly and publicly.

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    Let me assure you that if someone murders anyone close to me in an Islamic suicide attack, he and everyone else responsible (collaborators, politicians, journalists, liars) will have my hatred, and I will call out my hatred loudly, clearly and publicly.
     
    I will do more than "call out".
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  146. Kylie says:
    @Anonymous
    You Can't Make This Shit Up Dep't:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-garcia-guitar-idUSKBN18I2CZ

    A one-of-a-kind guitar that became a trademark of sorts for Grateful Dead leader Jerry Garcia could fetch more than $1 million when it goes on the selling block at Guernsey's in New York City later this month.

    Dubbed "Wolf," the instrument was purchased by the musician in 1973 for $1,500 and played for nearly two decades. It sold in 2002 - seven years after Garcia's death - for more than $700,000. That price far surpassed the then-record $497,500, set in 1999 by Eric Clapton's Fender Stratocaster "Brownie."


    Named for its distinctive inlay of a wolf on the lower body, the instrument is one of five that was designed for Garcia by luthier Doug Irwin. The other guitars were dubbed "Eagle," "Tiger," "Wolf Jr.," and "Rosebud."

    Garcia sang and played guitar for the rock band from its formation in 1965 until his death from a heart attack at 53.

    Arlan Ettinger, president of Guernsey's auction house, said in an interview he is curious to see how much it goes for once it is put up for auction again on May 31.

    "The world record for any guitar ever sold, which had been this and its mate 'Tiger' ($957,500) at a million dollars, has since been eclipsed over the last 15 years," he said. "Now it's slightly above $2 million, but we'll see where this goes."

    A Fender Stratocaster signed by some of the world's greatest rock stars including Clapton, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards brought in a record $2.7 million at auction in November 2005.

    Wolf's current owner Daniel Pritzker, a longtime Deadhead, was reluctant to part with the instrument but he felt it was the right thing to do since he intends to donate the proceeds to an organization that works for social justice, Ettinger said.




    "Dan called and said that with the divisiveness going on in our country today he wanted to do something meaningful with Wolf. He ... gave it back to us with instructions to resell it and give all the money - he didn't want a penny of it - to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which for nearly 50 years has been fighting racism, poverty."

    You are bloody effing kidding me.

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    Personally I'd chuck the thing into a Morbark machine before giving the SPLC a cent. And I wouldn't feel too bad about it-these hippie sandwich guitars look great but weigh a ton and sound like shit.

    Jerry was the most overrated rock guitarist in history. As a young man he had some chops, but the drugs took that pretty quick, and for decades he was this zombie, cranking out tripping half baked chords through a signal chain that made him sound like fermented, pickled shit. His rig was bizarre-the front end of a Fender Showman (with the Tom Walker three pot tonestack) into a McIntosh hi fi amp and a cab system made of huge heavy boxes the weight of infant coffins.

    But my real contempt is reserved not for the Dead themselves but their sycophantic entourage that enabled the decades of nonsense.
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  147. Manchester, of course, has something of a radical past, being the location of the Peterloo Massacre of protesting workers in 1819, the home of Friedrich Engels of Marx and Engels fame, the location of a massive IRA bomb that injured 200 people in 1996, and the original home of a newspaper founded in 1821 and known until 1959 as the Manchester Guardian, now better known as The Guardian

    From information in The Guardian, it seems that there is quite a connection between Manchester and Jihadism. No less than 16 individuals living within a three mile radius (walking distance, by English standards) of this suicide bomber have been convicted of illegal travel to Syria, membership of ISIS and similar offenses.

    It seems to me that one or two cruise missiles lobbed in the general direction of the local mosque might be a useful prophylactic for further ‘lone wolf’ attacks.

    Meanwhile, good luck to Manchester United Football Club who take on Ajax of Amsterdam in Stockholm, Sweden tomorrow night in the final of the Europa Cup. Hopefully nothing bad happens.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/nintchdbpict000257446378-e1473023930191.jpg?w=960&strip=all

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  148. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    ...the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    She's Italian, but left the Church because they were mean to those like her queer half-brother. (Or half-queer brother. Something.)

    Not to mention she's from Florida, which is "California without ideas".

    It's tempting to say she's Madonna for eight-year-olds, but Madonna herself was Madonna for eight-year-olds.

    Anyway, here are Wikipedia's categories for Ariana:

    Categories: Ariana Grande 1993 births 21st-century American actresses 21st-century American singers Actresses from Florida American child actresses American child singers American dance musicians American electronic musicians American female pop singers American musical theatre actresses American people of Italian descent American people of Sicilian descent American people of Abruzzian descent American rhythm and blues singers American sopranos American television actresses Child pop musicians Feminist musicians LGBT rights activists from the United States Living people People from Boca Raton, Florida Republic Records artists Sex-positive feminists Singers from Florida Singers with a four-octave vocal range Universal Music Group artists
     
    Not promising sources to look for talent or sanity!

    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date – apparently the victim was a big fan):

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it’s said that some Sicilians have African admixture – the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.

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    I've lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo...er...influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily? I refuse to spend any time or energy learning about such persons.)
    , @Jefferson
    "She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it’s said that some Sicilians have African admixture – the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls."

    You are shocked that a Sicilian can get a darker tan than an English WASP.

    The ability for a Caucasoid to get a dark tan is a Mediterranean trait. You are a Jew you should know that, I expected better from you. Here is one of your Jewish tribe members Shaun Weiss for example with a dark tan.
    http://www.celebritynetworth123.com/wp-content/plugins/networthdisplay/cnwimages/s/shaun-weiss.jpg
    , @Stealth
    People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark. Think of Arturo Gatti. Oddly enough, their half northern European children can be surprisingly light. Most Euro-Americans with an Italian grandparent don't look it at all. An acquaitance of mine is half Italian, and the only giveaway that his red-haired son is part Italian is the coal colored eyes he inherited from his grandfather.
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  149. @anon
    s not depressing Steve , you brute. What would be depressing is if this incident provoked an Islamophobic backlash against innocent Muslims.

    Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim. A cursory read of the Koran proves it to be a peaceful book.

    We need to do some soul searching. I mean my head is literrally spinning. We marginalized this young man. We need to do a better job at integration.

    We cannot let them win. We need to win them over with love. If we dont let refugees in than the terrorists win. Its 2017 guys , why cant you undrstand this. wow just wow

    Speaking of “not real Muslims”, how about the neo-Nazi-turned-Muslim in Florida who killed his neo-Nazi roommates because of “invade the world”… crazy world.

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    Someone on Twitter linked me an article about that guy, in an effort to prove to me that racist, non-Muslim whites are terrorists too.

    Must not have read the whole article.
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  150. Strategies for sightseeing in European countries while avoiding Muslims?

    I am thinking less about safety than wanting to see, as much as possible, what Europe used to be like. I am considering vacationing now before the situation gets worse.

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    Rent a car and stick to rural areas. There are as many historical sites, cathedrals etc. in rural areas as in cities. Stay away from big city train stations. They are hang outs for homeless Arabs. Hungary, Poland Czech Republic are safer,

    If you can tolerate being sedentary, Viking lines has river cruises. You don't have to drive or sit on trains and all the river cities are very historic.
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  151. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    You're a committed Arab partisan, you have a very weak sense of how to assess the agency and responsibility of individuals and collectives, and you want dead Jews and excuses for manufacturing more dead Jews. You don't know much and you respond to banal factual information by impugning the character of people who take exception to whatever the consensus is in the circle jerks you inhabit. Tough.

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business. Naturally I would hope they would conduct themselves civilly but that would be to apply standards that are not theirs to them.

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    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.
     
    That wasn't true even during Jefferson's time. When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping, Uncle Sam created the Department of the Navy:

    Algeria began piracy against the U.S. on 25 July 1785 with the capture of the schooner Maria, and Dauphin a week later.[12] All four Barbary Coast states demanded $660,000 each. However, the envoys were given only an allocated budget of $40,000 to achieve peace.[13] Diplomatic talks to reach a reasonable sum for tribute or for the ransom of the captured sailors struggled to make any headway. The crews of Maria and Dauphin remained enslaved for over a decade, and soon were joined by crews of other ships captured by the Barbary States.[14]

    In 1795, Algeria came to an agreement that resulted in the release of 115 American sailors they held, at a cost of over $1 million. This amount totaled about one-sixth of the entire U.S. budget,[15] and was demanded as tribute by the Barbary States to prevent further piracy. The continuing demand for tribute ultimately led to the formation of the United States Department of the Navy, founded in 1798[16] to prevent further attacks upon American shipping and to end the demands for extremely large tributes from the Barbary States.
     
    The demands for American disarmament rest on the idea that world peace would come about if only Uncle Sam would stop meddling. Outside of unworldly thought bubbles, regimes act according to Thucydides's maxim: "The strong do as they can, while the weak suffer what they must".
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  152. KenH says:

    Using Husseinobama logic, since this Libyan muzzie was born in Britain this was just a case of domestic “British” terrizm (sic), so this act of terror can in no way be laid at the feet of Muslims or Islam. The white Britons themselves did something to this poor fella to set him off like this. If they would have just opened their hearts and their minds and let him rape 4-6 of the native British women then he probably would not have had so much pent up anger and frustration.

    The fact that white Britons won’t serve up their daughters to the Saracen hordes in their midst means that, shockingly, there is still lingering racism after all the guilt tripping and brainwashing since 1945. There’s still much work to be done.

    White Westerners are slow learners and still haven’t figured out that the only way to defeat radical Islam and Muslim intolerance and hate for kafirs is not through a Muslim ban or mass deportation, but with kindness and candlelight vigils. But it’s still not too late and as bad as this act of terror was, Britons and other Westerners can finally realize that they have no right to exist and that their traditional homelands simply belong to everyone else except them because the Jews and their goy lackeys say so.

    To disagree constitutes the most vile forms or racism and anti-semitism that exist and an insult to holocaust survivors, self hating white liberals, cucks and know it all Hollywood celebrities.

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  153. Tacitus says:
    @anonymous
    Mark Steyn :

    "Carrying on exactly as before", as The Independent advises, will not be possible. A few months ago, I was in Toulouse, where Jewish life has vanished from public visibility and is conducted only behind the prison-like walls of a fortress schoolhouse and a centralized synagogue that requires 24/7 protection by French soldiers; I went to Amsterdam, which is markedly less gay than it used to be; I walked through Molenbeek after dark, where unaccompanied women dare not go. You can carry on, you can stagger on, but life is not exactly as it was before. Inch by inch, it's smaller and more constrained.
     

    This town is coming like a ghost town.

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  154. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Kylie
    You are bloody effing kidding me.

    Personally I’d chuck the thing into a Morbark machine before giving the SPLC a cent. And I wouldn’t feel too bad about it-these hippie sandwich guitars look great but weigh a ton and sound like shit.

    Jerry was the most overrated rock guitarist in history. As a young man he had some chops, but the drugs took that pretty quick, and for decades he was this zombie, cranking out tripping half baked chords through a signal chain that made him sound like fermented, pickled shit. His rig was bizarre-the front end of a Fender Showman (with the Tom Walker three pot tonestack) into a McIntosh hi fi amp and a cab system made of huge heavy boxes the weight of infant coffins.

    But my real contempt is reserved not for the Dead themselves but their sycophantic entourage that enabled the decades of nonsense.

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    Weren't the Dead Heads who followed him ariubd drug dealers and addicts?
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  155. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Alden
    Most of the females were not young women but under 16. I only noticed 2 outfits. One was cell phone footage that began just before the explosion. An older teenager wore a sleeveless White top

    In footage of the floor beneath the escalators I saw a girl in a pink dress running back and forth in panic. Judging by her height in relation to the adults I'd say she was 10 or 11 years old. It was unclear if the dress was modest or not.

    One girl being helped out had one leg of her pants blown off

    I doubt you actually saw the footage. But you just had to make some misogynist remark about girl children. There were plenty of boys and teens at the concert but you ignored them. You should time travel back to Calvins Geneva. I bet you agree with the Muslim fanatics that women and men not be allowed to swim at the same time. Or do you get all turned on by the sight of an 11 year old?

    Go find some Puritan fundamentalists site to spew your hatred of girls on.

    You get that time travel thing worked out, let me know.
    But to hell with Calvin. I want this:

    I prefer my decadence to at least be elegant.

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  156. I guess we will see if the British think getting an authentic curry is more important than their 8 year old daughters getting blown up on a night out.

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    Britain never adopted the Euro. The frictional costs of leaving the EU would be a great deal higher if they had.
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  157. Bugg says:
    @Anonymous
    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn't seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I'm no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn't be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here's a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

    Been to many concerts and sporting events at arenas and stadiums across the US. Whats trikes me about last night is the bomber or his team times this perfectly. The moment the show lets out invariably the exit doors are overwhelmed with people leaving. And this had the added number of parents waiting for their children at exit points.To be at an exit point required no security check; bomber was able to maximize his destruction and get very close.

    The scary part of this is there are some stadiums and arenas that do a very good job of getting people in and out of their venues, but nay that do not. Yankee Stadium, the Barclays Center and Madison Square Garden, for example, get people in and out very quickly. All grasped that numerous exit points work better for everyone rather than herding people into choke points. And others that do a simply awful job. Citifield, and Metlife Stadium are either designed or administered to have crowd bottlenecks and entry and exit points. And the 2 scariest are far and away Fenway Park and Wrigley Filed. Not much you can do with ancient places like that.

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    Those stadiums are on the wrong side of history. The future belongs to stadiums that are designed like open-air maximum security prisons.
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  158. Stealth says:
    @reiner Tor
    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    Count that as one of those liberal beliefs that’s incompatible with some other liberal belief. Everyone in Britain is an immigrant, yet second generation Muslims are not immigrants because they were born there.

    Here’s another one: being gay is a fixed, innate characteristic, absolute and unalterable, but also, everybody is bisexual.

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  159. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jan
    The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester's large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims - except those in Israel.

    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray’s new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:

    ‘Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche — who criticised colleagues for being too white — insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche — a descendant of East End Jews — believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, ‘I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.’

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration — Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes — to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue

    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been ‘a mongrel nation’. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: ‘[...] I’ve always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.’

    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi’s Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister

    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time

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    From Roche's Guardian article -- to repeat, Roche was asylum and immigration minister under Blair and the descendant of Jewish immigrants:

    As Robert Winder, a Migration Museum trustee, wrote in his book Bloody Foreigners: The Story of Immigration to Britain: “Ever since the first Jute, the first Saxon, the first Roman and the first Dane leaped off their boats and planted their feet on British mud, we have been a [migrant] nation.”
     
    http://jewishquarterly.org/author/robert-winder/
    , @Steve Sailer
    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration — Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes — to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue

    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    What kind of name is Spencer?

    , @syonredux

    ‘Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche — who criticised colleagues for being too white — insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche — a descendant of East End Jews — believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, ‘I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.’
     
    That being the case, Israel must be really racist.....
    , @Expletive Deleted
    The last major immigration to England was Anglosaxon/Danish (same people, really) which had a surprisingly hard-to-detect impact outside of language, law and so on, a bit like the Normano-Breton-Flemings, who seem to have vanished without trace as a people. Maybe you could count the Celtic reflux of the 18th and 19th centuries (jocks, taffs and paddies to the Army, canals, railroads and mines) from their holdout areas as internal immigrants?
    Prior to that it was the Early Bronze Age, when the Ibero-Sardinian type farmers (the megalith dudes) who'd exterminated the local hunters were themselves more-or-less wiped out entirely by Beaker and then sub-Unetice tribes from the Rhine. Same place, same Beaker/Corded Ware background as the Saxons etc., hence the difficulty in disentangling the genetics, but likely undifferentiated indo-european-heading-towards-celtic/italic speakers
    And it hasn't shifted hardly a whit since, in forty-four centuries. Neither in Britain nor Ireland.
    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962

    tl;dr
    We've lived here a hell of a lot longer than any Jew has ever lived in Israel. And any Arab too, come to that. "Nation of immigrants" is a big fat ... Lie.
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  160. Svigor says:

    Son of Libyan “refugees.” I read these facts at Drudge.
    I only heard once in several reports from NPR that he was of Libyan extraction; there was no mention of his parents “refugee” status.

    I heard many calls for “Unity.” Funny how that’s always the message, after Diversity strikes.

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  161. @Anonymous
    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America's business. Naturally I would hope they would conduct themselves civilly but that would be to apply standards that are not theirs to them.

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.

    That wasn’t true even during Jefferson’s time. When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping, Uncle Sam created the Department of the Navy:

    Algeria began piracy against the U.S. on 25 July 1785 with the capture of the schooner Maria, and Dauphin a week later.[12] All four Barbary Coast states demanded $660,000 each. However, the envoys were given only an allocated budget of $40,000 to achieve peace.[13] Diplomatic talks to reach a reasonable sum for tribute or for the ransom of the captured sailors struggled to make any headway. The crews of Maria and Dauphin remained enslaved for over a decade, and soon were joined by crews of other ships captured by the Barbary States.[14]

    In 1795, Algeria came to an agreement that resulted in the release of 115 American sailors they held, at a cost of over $1 million. This amount totaled about one-sixth of the entire U.S. budget,[15] and was demanded as tribute by the Barbary States to prevent further piracy. The continuing demand for tribute ultimately led to the formation of the United States Department of the Navy, founded in 1798[16] to prevent further attacks upon American shipping and to end the demands for extremely large tributes from the Barbary States.

    The demands for American disarmament rest on the idea that world peace would come about if only Uncle Sam would stop meddling. Outside of unworldly thought bubbles, regimes act according to Thucydides’s maxim: “The strong do as they can, while the weak suffer what they must”.

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    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.

     



    When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping

     

    Barbary pirates: Arabs attack us, our business.
    Barbary pirates: Not Arabs doing to Jews.
    Barbary pirates: Not Arabs doing to other Arabs.
    , @Expletive Deleted
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  162. Svigor says:

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it’s bizarre to divine the views of ‘British Jewry’ from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.

    Yes, Jews are famously misrepresented in (((Big Media))). Probably owing to their shy, retiring, unassertive, politically inactive natures.

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    The Rabbis of Manchester issued a statement the morning after the bombing not saying a word about the dead and wounded. It was just the standard nonsense that anyone who objected to the bombing was a racist and that the Jews would stand with the Muslims.
    , @Art Deco
    Yes, Jews are famously misrepresented in (((Big Media))). P

    There are about 300,000 Jews in Britain, a country which has 63 million inhabitants. No, they don't own the BBC. Academic and media culture in Britain is hostile to Jews by default.
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  163. @reiner Tor
    The real victims are the millions of Muslims now living in fear of a backlash.

    We must not let hate triumph. As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that would be worse.

    If we start killing terrorists and expelling communities which breed terrorists, the terrorists would win. If they manage to reduce us to dhimmitude, we'll win.

    So in order to win, we need to lose.

    OT

    Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue.

    Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary.

    Rand Paul 2020.

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  164. Well if this was a muslim immigrant, you can bet your bottom dollar it was an *illegal* immigrant. All illegals are bad, but President Trump has told us that we want more more more legal immigrants, because those are good immigrants and the kind of immigrants we need more of.

    Geezus Donald, you sound like jeb or dubya with that nonsense.

    So rest assured that this immigrant killer was definitely illegal and didn’t become an immigrant “the right way” as we say in the US. Because immigrants who do it “the right way” and “wait in liine” are here for love and the nice weather and are darned good folks just searching for a better life.

    The muzzie immigrant who went on the killing spree at Fort Hood was legal, I expect.

    Let’s get over the silly legal-illegal distinction, folks. Muzzie terrorists are going to do their thing whether they are here legally or otherwise, and we need to stop all immigration and start deporting them.

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    Did you know that invade...er...immigrants who come legally and with wholesome intentions of love and ambition have no effects on the economy or the ecology? They don't decrease wages by increasing supplies of labour, the don't increase rents and mortgages by decreasing available land, they don't drink water, eat food, use roads, require education, or visit hospitals and parks. Their children don't do do any if these things either. Traffic, pollution, prices, wages, competition, poverty, shortages: none of it has any relation to the population so long as the proper forms are completed in triplicate.
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  165. Alden says:

    Interesting that only 13 hours after the bomb went off the police announced that they identified the bomber. The bomber spent 3 weeks in Libya recently and set off his bomb a few days after he returned.

    So what were the police doing other than waiting around to rush to bomb sites.

    Katie Hopkins Daily Mail columnist wrote a tweet asking that men do something a ought the slaughter of their children. Another tweeter reported her within minutes and she is being investigated for hatred crime and inciting racial hatred.

    Tuesday morning the Manchester chief of police made a statement that any negative comments about Muslims would be prosecuted for hate crime and incitement to racial hatred. He made this speech at a memorial meeting mourning the deaths.

    The Rabbis of Manchester made a statement denouncing anyone who had negative thoughts about Islam. They also made the standard claim that anti Islam leads to anti semitism and that the Jewish community of Manchester would stand in solidarity with the Muslims.

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    The Rabbis of Manchester made a statement denouncing anyone who had negative thoughts about Islam. They also made the standard claim that anti Islam leads to anti semitism and that the Jewish community of Manchester would stand in solidarity with the Muslims.
     
    Rabbinical Judaism and Islam are both fellaheen religions hailing from the Magian culture; they both have been dead letters for a thousand years and they both only exist to serve and justify the ruthless ambitions of those who subscribe to them. The Jew with his intellect, the Muslim with his sword, are brothers in their attacks on Western Civilization. Anybody who thinks the Jews will come to fear and oppose the Muslim invasion of the West is deluding himself. The Jews are the very ones facilitating it.
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  166. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     

    From Roche’s Guardian article — to repeat, Roche was asylum and immigration minister under Blair and the descendant of Jewish immigrants:

    As Robert Winder, a Migration Museum trustee, wrote in his book Bloody Foreigners: The Story of Immigration to Britain: “Ever since the first Jute, the first Saxon, the first Roman and the first Dane leaped off their boats and planted their feet on British mud, we have been a [migrant] nation.”

    http://jewishquarterly.org/author/robert-winder/

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  167. How a 8 years old child can go to this sexy-cat [kitty illuminati program] show*

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  168. @Reg Cæsar

    ...the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    She's Italian, but left the Church because they were mean to those like her queer half-brother. (Or half-queer brother. Something.)

    Not to mention she's from Florida, which is "California without ideas".

    It's tempting to say she's Madonna for eight-year-olds, but Madonna herself was Madonna for eight-year-olds.

    Anyway, here are Wikipedia's categories for Ariana:

    Categories: Ariana Grande 1993 births 21st-century American actresses 21st-century American singers Actresses from Florida American child actresses American child singers American dance musicians American electronic musicians American female pop singers American musical theatre actresses American people of Italian descent American people of Sicilian descent American people of Abruzzian descent American rhythm and blues singers American sopranos American television actresses Child pop musicians Feminist musicians LGBT rights activists from the United States Living people People from Boca Raton, Florida Republic Records artists Sex-positive feminists Singers from Florida Singers with a four-octave vocal range Universal Music Group artists
     
    Not promising sources to look for talent or sanity!

    Not to mention she’s from Florida, which is “California without ideas”.

    Excellent! I am stealing that.

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  169. Alden says:
    @Anonymous
    Personally I'd chuck the thing into a Morbark machine before giving the SPLC a cent. And I wouldn't feel too bad about it-these hippie sandwich guitars look great but weigh a ton and sound like shit.

    Jerry was the most overrated rock guitarist in history. As a young man he had some chops, but the drugs took that pretty quick, and for decades he was this zombie, cranking out tripping half baked chords through a signal chain that made him sound like fermented, pickled shit. His rig was bizarre-the front end of a Fender Showman (with the Tom Walker three pot tonestack) into a McIntosh hi fi amp and a cab system made of huge heavy boxes the weight of infant coffins.

    But my real contempt is reserved not for the Dead themselves but their sycophantic entourage that enabled the decades of nonsense.

    Weren’t the Dead Heads who followed him ariubd drug dealers and addicts?

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    Dunno, but Garcia was named as a longtime FBI informant after his death.
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  170. @William Badwhite
    Objection, relevance. Also, having read a fair amount about WW2, I'm fairly certain Churchill and Truman went after hard targets as well. And ultimately they won.

    We get, you think the killings are justified because...something or other.

    However these murderous savages aren't ever going to achieve their goals by blowing up concerts and trains. Is killing these soft targets doing anything to change U.S. foreign policy? No. Is it ever going to? Doubtful.

    Would going after politicians and their neocon cheerleaders and loudly announce why they did it? Perhaps. Why don't they try that? Because they're stupid and cowardly.

    “Soft targets” my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.

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    “Soft targets” my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.
     

    Not if you believe that you are going to be rewarded in the afterlife......and in a rather carnal fashion....
    , @William Badwhite
    It may take "courage" to blow yourself or crash a plane (that your barbaric culture could never, in a billion years, have designed and built) but the fact remains that blowing up school kids isn't going to change any foreign policy.

    And I would argue that the US Marines that held off the Japanese (soft targets?) at Guadalcanal had a lot more courage than some wild-eyed nutcase that thinks blowing himself will finally get him laid.

    We get it - you think the West's foreign policy justifies the random murder of children. That is entirely consistent with your culture and religion's savagery and abject stupidity.
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  171. Alden says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Strategies for sightseeing in European countries while avoiding Muslims?

    I am thinking less about safety than wanting to see, as much as possible, what Europe used to be like. I am considering vacationing now before the situation gets worse.

    Rent a car and stick to rural areas. There are as many historical sites, cathedrals etc. in rural areas as in cities. Stay away from big city train stations. They are hang outs for homeless Arabs. Hungary, Poland Czech Republic are safer,

    If you can tolerate being sedentary, Viking lines has river cruises. You don’t have to drive or sit on trains and all the river cities are very historic.

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    Poland, Hungary, and Austria are refusing
    to admit (more) Muslim migrants. This is
    now becoming a war between the EU honchos
    and the notion of national sovereignty within
    the EU, particularly because Frau Merkel in her
    infinite wisdom made a unilateral decision (without
    consulting with her EU allies) to invite the migrants
    into Germany, back in late summer of 2015
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  172. @Anonymous
    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration — Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes — to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue

    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    What kind of name is Spencer?

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    Roche, Winder, Shabi, Portes -- and then Spencer. My margin of error is 20%.

    But the thinking seems characteristic: anxious to transform society, perhaps subconsciously in ways that would make it more comfortable for me -- and I feel fundamentally apart from the majority, so I must transform it by diversifying it, making everyone else as apart from it as I am. Since I'm a striver in the power structure, I get my way.

    I guess I'll just have to read Spencer to see how she thinks.

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  173. @Daniel H
    >>One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care).

    It doesn't add any light to assert that Islam is not a religion. Islam is most definitely a religion, just a totalitarian religion, and that doesn't make it any less a religion.

    Late Romand and Medieval Roman Catholicism was a totalitarian religion to a great extent, but that didn't make it evil. Roman Catholicism tried and fairly well succeeded in infusing the entire day with a Christian outlook. It of course did it largely through persuasion and for those who didn't go along it used ostracism, not terror and violence (except in isolated cases, which were not policy). But Islam is most definitely a religion, a very dangerous one, to believers and non-believers alike.

    The distinction here is that Islam is a fellaheen religion which is devoid of metaphysical content. There is nothing new that can come from Islam; it is already “finished.” The Islamic hordes whom we see today are the final state; they are simply masses of directionless, rootless men for whom the bestial impulses toward survival and dominance are all that remains in the blood. Islam today is best understood as a sort of “pirate code” that sets the rules for aboard-ship discipline between fellow pirates while defining the rest of the world as bounty and spoil.

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  174. Alden says:
    @Svigor

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it’s bizarre to divine the views of ‘British Jewry’ from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.
     
    Yes, Jews are famously misrepresented in (((Big Media))). Probably owing to their shy, retiring, unassertive, politically inactive natures.

    The Rabbis of Manchester issued a statement the morning after the bombing not saying a word about the dead and wounded. It was just the standard nonsense that anyone who objected to the bombing was a racist and that the Jews would stand with the Muslims.

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  175. I got a haircut in a famously sh!tlib town today.

    The barberess (barberella?) asked me if I had heard about Manchester.

    I said I had.

    She asked, probably rhetorically, how long this could go on?

    I answered, “It will go on until either they win or we get rid of them.”

    She paused, then, somewhat to my surprise, assented.

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    It will go on until either they win or we get rid of them
     
    I think it will be neither of those, what will happen is that this will increasingly be accepted as normal, kind of how the very high crime rates of countries like South Africa or Brazil are part of everyday life. These kind of events will continue to occur and the response will be the usual "we must not let them win by embracing our diversity". To answer her question, I can see this going on for decades at the very least, and probably for centuries even.
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  176. @Alden
    Interesting that only 13 hours after the bomb went off the police announced that they identified the bomber. The bomber spent 3 weeks in Libya recently and set off his bomb a few days after he returned.

    So what were the police doing other than waiting around to rush to bomb sites.

    Katie Hopkins Daily Mail columnist wrote a tweet asking that men do something a ought the slaughter of their children. Another tweeter reported her within minutes and she is being investigated for hatred crime and inciting racial hatred.

    Tuesday morning the Manchester chief of police made a statement that any negative comments about Muslims would be prosecuted for hate crime and incitement to racial hatred. He made this speech at a memorial meeting mourning the deaths.

    The Rabbis of Manchester made a statement denouncing anyone who had negative thoughts about Islam. They also made the standard claim that anti Islam leads to anti semitism and that the Jewish community of Manchester would stand in solidarity with the Muslims.

    The Rabbis of Manchester made a statement denouncing anyone who had negative thoughts about Islam. They also made the standard claim that anti Islam leads to anti semitism and that the Jewish community of Manchester would stand in solidarity with the Muslims.

    Rabbinical Judaism and Islam are both fellaheen religions hailing from the Magian culture; they both have been dead letters for a thousand years and they both only exist to serve and justify the ruthless ambitions of those who subscribe to them. The Jew with his intellect, the Muslim with his sword, are brothers in their attacks on Western Civilization. Anybody who thinks the Jews will come to fear and oppose the Muslim invasion of the West is deluding himself. The Jews are the very ones facilitating it.

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  177. @Jack D
    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date - apparently the victim was a big fan):

    https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e15/11378261_703146036463542_950083194_n.jpg

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it's said that some Sicilians have African admixture - the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.

    I’ve lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily? I refuse to spend any time or energy learning about such persons.)

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    "My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily?"

    Ariana Grande doesn't claim any Hispanic or Non Hispanic Native American ancestry.
    , @syonredux

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida.
     
    She uses a lot of bronzer. Compare her complexion to her brother's:

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande


    I’ve lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.
     
    She makes reference to having North African ancestry:

    Ariana also once twitted that she “just found out my grandparents are heavily greek and part north African”, and then specified “…the chart says Greece/Italy. I just thought it was funny. I’m assuming the North African bit is Moroccan or Tunisia?”

    Ariana’s reference to “the chart” makes it likely that she took some sort of DNA test to map out her potential heritage. DNA tests for people of Sicilian descent sometimes indicate some kind of Greek or North African ancestry.
     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande
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  178. Alden says:
    @Nico
    I recommend the movie La Grande Vadrouille, about the resistance in France. When the men come up out of the catacombs into the city streets the first people they run into are hookers. You will notice that their dress was exactly what fashionable young ladies from "good" and Catholic French families wear on a night out today. It's certainly pleasing to my young perverted eye but the consciousness that the sexual revolution has turned the whole world into a brothel certainly does not make me feel at ease about letting my future daughters stray too far from the house or the convent school, if you get my drift.

    And then we could talk about the men in the movie. Let's just say the farmers and the proles in the movie make most "bourgeois" men in modern France look like hobos. And France is still, relatively speaking, one of the best-dressed countries on Earth.

    In any event, the answer to Islamic prudery and violence is certainly not laxism and flabbiness. The West has a serious disciplinary problem for about 50 years running and that indiscipline is precisely why we are losing the fight to keep the countries we call home.

    You are an idiot. We can’t win over Islam by treating women and girls like Muslims do. What’s your point? That the bomber bombed them because they dressed immodestly according to his prevented standards? Or do you think the nuzzles will stop invading and attacking Europe if Europeans put women and girls in burkas? Even the Muslims let little girls dress normally until they are about 4 ft 10.

    What is this some geriatric old codger site?

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    Sorry old-timer, #WhiteSharia is a young man's game. And with these boomer-cucked notions, they wouldn't let you join the Thot Patrol even if you were up to the job.
    , @Nico
    Here's my point. If you're not capable of some sort of balance between the libertinage trash of letting your girls run amok to the point where any asshole mongrel rapist can knock her up and the tyrannical cloistering and shrouding away of them, I don't want you in my army. Either way you're not capable of protecting your home or homeland: you're the nitwit who's always on the lookout for the nearest brothel and lets this consideration influence hs every decision. Competent soldiers can't think ONLY with our gonads.
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  179. @Buck Turgidson
    Well if this was a muslim immigrant, you can bet your bottom dollar it was an *illegal* immigrant. All illegals are bad, but President Trump has told us that we want more more more legal immigrants, because those are good immigrants and the kind of immigrants we need more of.

    Geezus Donald, you sound like jeb or dubya with that nonsense.

    So rest assured that this immigrant killer was definitely illegal and didn't become an immigrant "the right way" as we say in the US. Because immigrants who do it "the right way" and "wait in liine" are here for love and the nice weather and are darned good folks just searching for a better life.

    The muzzie immigrant who went on the killing spree at Fort Hood was legal, I expect.

    Let's get over the silly legal-illegal distinction, folks. Muzzie terrorists are going to do their thing whether they are here legally or otherwise, and we need to stop all immigration and start deporting them.

    Did you know that invade…er…immigrants who come legally and with wholesome intentions of love and ambition have no effects on the economy or the ecology? They don’t decrease wages by increasing supplies of labour, the don’t increase rents and mortgages by decreasing available land, they don’t drink water, eat food, use roads, require education, or visit hospitals and parks. Their children don’t do do any if these things either. Traffic, pollution, prices, wages, competition, poverty, shortages: none of it has any relation to the population so long as the proper forms are completed in triplicate.

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  180. Berty says:

    Maybe this will arrest the decline the Tories have suffered this week after the released that horribly stupid dementia tax idea.

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  181. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration — Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes — to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue

    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    What kind of name is Spencer?

    Roche, Winder, Shabi, Portes — and then Spencer. My margin of error is 20%.

    But the thinking seems characteristic: anxious to transform society, perhaps subconsciously in ways that would make it more comfortable for me — and I feel fundamentally apart from the majority, so I must transform it by diversifying it, making everyone else as apart from it as I am. Since I’m a striver in the power structure, I get my way.

    I guess I’ll just have to read Spencer to see how she thinks.

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  182. Alden says:
    @weyyar
    The target was young white girls and that was probably intentional. Kill them if they won't have sex with you. At any rate, the response will obviously to import millions of more Muslims. I have no sympathy for Europeans who won't fight to save their own countries from Third World barbarity.

    Commenter MW agrees with the bomber that young White girls deserve death because they are “sluts” even at age 8 which was the age of one of the girls killed.

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  183. @Alden
    You are an idiot. We can't win over Islam by treating women and girls like Muslims do. What's your point? That the bomber bombed them because they dressed immodestly according to his prevented standards? Or do you think the nuzzles will stop invading and attacking Europe if Europeans put women and girls in burkas? Even the Muslims let little girls dress normally until they are about 4 ft 10.

    What is this some geriatric old codger site?

    Sorry old-timer, #WhiteSharia is a young man’s game. And with these boomer-cucked notions, they wouldn’t let you join the Thot Patrol even if you were up to the job.

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  184. Jefferson says:
    @Opinionator
    Was it an act of self defense?

    “Was it an act of self defense?”

    Which desert camel country are you from?

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  185. @Art Deco
    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That's a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    That’s a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Yes, you’re right it’s from Alice in Wonderland, sorry no it’s from Diana Darke, Syria (Bradt Travel Guide), 2010, p. 40:

    Contrary to its image, Syria is probably one of the safest countries in the world. Violent or petty crime towards foreigners is virtually non-existent, and at the time of writing no foreigner had ever been the target of violence. Such violence as does exist is usually in the context of a family feud where honour is implicated and retaliation is considered necessary to safeguard the family reputation. To steal something from a foreigner would be regarded as shameful and against the principle of hospitality to the guest. That said, there have been occasional cases of pickpocketing and passport theft in the Damascus and Aleppo souks, though visiting Russians renewing their Turkish visas are the prime suspects rather than local people.

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    Now you're changing the subject to street crime?


    Again, the country has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past and hasn't had a passably functioning civil society since 1963. Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.
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  186. syonredux says:
    @Opinionator
    Was it an act of self defense?

    Killing your host is bad manners.

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    "Killing your host is bad manners."

    Since when do Muslims like Opinionator care about manners?
    , @Escher
    Viruses and bacilli do just fine by killing their hosts.
    , @Opinionator
    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?
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  187. Jefferson says:
    @Autochthon
    I've lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo...er...influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily? I refuse to spend any time or energy learning about such persons.)

    “My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily?”

    Ariana Grande doesn’t claim any Hispanic or Non Hispanic Native American ancestry.

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    Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn't claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon....
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  188. syonredux says:
    @Autochthon
    I've lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo...er...influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily? I refuse to spend any time or energy learning about such persons.)

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida.

    She uses a lot of bronzer. Compare her complexion to her brother’s:

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande

    I’ve lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    She makes reference to having North African ancestry:

    Ariana also once twitted that she “just found out my grandparents are heavily greek and part north African”, and then specified “…the chart says Greece/Italy. I just thought it was funny. I’m assuming the North African bit is Moroccan or Tunisia?”

    Ariana’s reference to “the chart” makes it likely that she took some sort of DNA test to map out her potential heritage. DNA tests for people of Sicilian descent sometimes indicate some kind of Greek or North African ancestry.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande

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    If you watch the linked pictures of her parents and grandparents, Ariana is darker in skin tone than any of them. Very unusual.
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  189. @Dr. X
    The sane and rational reaction would be to completely shut down Muslim immigration and the resettlement of refugees. (In the UK, which still has an established religion, it would legally be possible to monitor and suppress the existing Muslim population as well).

    Of course, we can readily predict that the opposite will happen. The socio-political elites will redouble the enforcement of hate crimes and political correctness, continue to kiss Muslims on the ass, and continue to tighten the enforcement of the soft totalitarianism that the UK has become against the native British population.

    One aspect of this that I find fascinating is the "security theater" of the British police. Every time one of these attacks occurs, Bobbies swarm the streets armed with handguns and battle rifles that are completely banned from the British public. British gun control has been 100% ineffective at stopping terrorist acts. As far as I'm aware, none of these cops have ever stopped a terrorist attack in progress, despite the fact that the British police have far greater powers than Americans to monitor and suppress the public.

    The problem of terrorism caused by foreigners (or people descended from foreigners) is 100% the fault of the British government given the fact that they are an island nation and nobody can get there without the permission of the government. They respond with a ridiculous and ineffective show of force after the fact, because they cannot admit that they are the ones indirectly responsible for the deaths of their own people.

    Agree. And what’s really pathetic is the tough talk we hear from European leaders after every atrocity. They sound really resolute, outraged, and determined. But, of course, stopping Muslim immigration is not open to consideration.

    I can’t blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

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    I can’t blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    The stupid thing the Front National did was to figure out how to make a vote for Marine Le Pen a vote for even greater insecurity, even though she was the law & order candidate. They did that by promising to take France out of the EU and the euro. They later softened those positions by promising consultations and referenda but the damage was done. It's hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country's entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.
    , @Dissident

    The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.
     
    I guess that just goes to show that as progressive and enlightened as the French are in so many respects, they, just like us here in the U.S., still couldn't bring themselves to elect a woman as their leader. Alas, misogyny/sexism is still very much a force to be reckoned with-- one we ignore at our own peril.
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  190. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux
    Killing your host is bad manners.

    “Killing your host is bad manners.”

    Since when do Muslims like Opinionator care about manners?

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  191. Alden says:
    @Jack D
    Well if Islam doesn't create poverty, it doesn't create wealth (that doesn't come out of the ground) either. The intellectual and industrial achievements of Islam in the last 500+ years are nil. By eschewing all knowledge except memorization of the Koran, by its imprisonment of women, by its medieval attitudes, Islam pretty much assures that a country will never escape from poverty unless it has oil under it.

    It’s a bit more than 500 years. Islam conquered Spain and Portugual, Egypt, Persia and the Byzantium eastern Roman Empire which was the heir to Greece.

    Most of those glorious achievements were not Arab Muslim but ancient and Christian achievements. For instance, Haroun al Rachid 900AD was praised for the preservation of ancient science and philosophy. But the copiers that did the actual work were Christian Syrian monks who established their libraries long before the Muslim conquest. The allegedly great Arab physicians just followed the same Galen nonsense the European Drs did. Algebra came from India.

    Most history has been written to denigrate Christianity and White Europeans and praise anything not Christian and European. The Arab Muslims destroyed the great ancient civilizations in 400 years and the areas have not recovered and never will no matter how rich the countries may be.

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  192. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     

    ‘Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche — who criticised colleagues for being too white — insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche — a descendant of East End Jews — believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, ‘I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.’

    That being the case, Israel must be really racist…..

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  193. As horrific as this tragedy was, if diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.

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  194. @anonymous
    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger. We wouldn't dream of asking you to stop killing us, because we almost certainly deserve it no matter what. All we ask is that you share your feelings verbally so that we can understand and appease you. And then, and only then, if you think our efforts are worthy of it, you can decide whether or not we still need more punishment. Thank you. A salaam aleikum.

    I majored in Foucault Studies, with a minor in Social Justice.

    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger.

    From Newsweek, March 31, 2017:

    UNDER TRUMP, U.S. MILITARY HAS ALLEGEDLY KILLED OVER 1,000 CIVILIANS IN IRAQ, SYRIA IN MARCH

    … “Evidence gathered on the ground in East Mosul points to an alarming pattern of U.S.-led coalition airstrikes which have destroyed whole houses with entire families inside,” said Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International, who carried out field investigations in Mosul.

    “The high civilian toll suggests that coalition forces leading the offensive in Mosul have failed to take adequate precautions to prevent civilian deaths, in flagrant violation of international humanitarian law.”

    See also Chalmers Johnson, Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, 2004, ISBN, 0805075593.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Consequences-American-Empire-Project/dp/0805075593/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495590580&sr=8-1&keywords=chalmers+johnson+blowback

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    That's why the Muslims are punishing Sweden...for its brutal legacy of colonialism and warmongering in the Middle East.

    And that's why, in the '60s and early '70s, when we dropped more than two million tons of ordnance on Laos (making it the most heavily bombed country per capita in history), Laotian immigrant terrorists were blowing people up at Janis Joplin concerts in Milwaukee.
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  195. neutral says:
    @Almost Missouri
    I got a haircut in a famously sh!tlib town today.

    The barberess (barberella?) asked me if I had heard about Manchester.

    I said I had.

    She asked, probably rhetorically, how long this could go on?

    I answered, "It will go on until either they win or we get rid of them."

    She paused, then, somewhat to my surprise, assented.

    It will go on until either they win or we get rid of them

    I think it will be neither of those, what will happen is that this will increasingly be accepted as normal, kind of how the very high crime rates of countries like South Africa or Brazil are part of everyday life. These kind of events will continue to occur and the response will be the usual “we must not let them win by embracing our diversity”. To answer her question, I can see this going on for decades at the very least, and probably for centuries even.

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    Well, perhaps, but I'm not sure that's what your examples show. In South Africa for instance, the Bantus went from zero, to working under legal disability, to the legally sacrosanct majority holding the whip hand in every matter. That sure looks like winning to me.
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  196. syonredux says:
    @Art Deco
    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population,

    Large enough to cause trouble…..

    do not hail from populous source countries,

    Like Puerto Ricans……

    are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat,

    Certainly not racially kindred….

    and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively.

    Not if you live near them…..

    His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    That immigration by non-Europeans is a bad thing? Seems to me that he’s vindicated every day….

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    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb 'refugees'. This was the nut of his complaint:


    I made some deprecatory reply to the effect that even this government wouldn't last for ever; but he took no notice, and continued: "I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas. In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man."

    I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation?



    No, Britain isn't run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts. Other than the fact that they are 'immigrants', Caribbean blacks do not have much in particular in common with Pakistanis.
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  197. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D
    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date - apparently the victim was a big fan):

    https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e15/11378261_703146036463542_950083194_n.jpg

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it's said that some Sicilians have African admixture - the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.

    “She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it’s said that some Sicilians have African admixture – the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.”

    You are shocked that a Sicilian can get a darker tan than an English WASP.

    The ability for a Caucasoid to get a dark tan is a Mediterranean trait. You are a Jew you should know that, I expected better from you. Here is one of your Jewish tribe members Shaun Weiss for example with a dark tan.

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  198. syonredux says:
    @Art Deco
    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    Words that need to be heard:

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  199. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin
    Agree. And what's really pathetic is the tough talk we hear from European leaders after every atrocity. They sound really resolute, outraged, and determined. But, of course, stopping Muslim immigration is not open to consideration.

    I can't blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    I can’t blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    The stupid thing the Front National did was to figure out how to make a vote for Marine Le Pen a vote for even greater insecurity, even though she was the law & order candidate. They did that by promising to take France out of the EU and the euro. They later softened those positions by promising consultations and referenda but the damage was done. It’s hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country’s entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.

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    It’s hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country’s entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.

    Leaving the EU would do neither. Unless their consumption bundle was chock-a-bloc with imported merchandise, a devaluation derived from replacing the Euro would have only modest effects on their real income. (The ratio of imports to GDP is about 0.15). The EU's external tariffs are small and other countries have vigorous trade with EU members without belonging to the EU (the United States, Canada, Israel, and Norway to name several).

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  200. syonredux says:
    @Art Deco
    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    More wise words:

    Rudyard Kipling

    The Stranger

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

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  201. Anon 2 says:

    Manchester was the world’s first industrialized city.
    Until only a few decades ago it was a great center of
    the textile industry (which later migrated to China, etc).
    For some strange reason, “Manchester, England” is
    also mentioned prominently in the 1967 hippie musical Hair.

    Events like this make me feel sorry for the whole Millennial
    generation. Time magazine IIRC several years ago had a story
    in which it referred to the Millennials as the screwed-up generation:
    9/11, invasion of Iraq, Katrina, Great Recession, depressed wages,
    low marriage rates, and these days terrorism. It wasn’t that long
    ago that going to a concert was one of the most pleasurable carefree
    experiences one could have. I certainly relish my memories of going
    to see the Stones, Grateful Dead, Phish (not so much!),… Woodstock ’69
    couldn’t happen today. There would be too much fear. Even the careers
    of the Beatles or the Stones would probably not reach the stratospheric
    highs they did in this climate of fear. My generation in the U.S. enjoyed 28
    years, almost three decades, of relative peace from 1973 (end of the draft) to
    9/11/2001.

    Sorry if I’m focusing too much on the pleasures of concert going while
    people are still mourning their dead and wounded.

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    From the 1967 musical "Hair"

    Manchester England England
    Across the Atlantic Sea
    And I'm a genius genius
    ......
    (sung by Claude Bukowski)

    In the original musical (but not the later movie),
    created by James Radomski (Rado) and Gerome Ragni,
    a Polish-American and an Italian-American, Claude Bukowski,
    in a fake English accent, says he's "the most beautiful beast in
    the forest" from "Manchester, England." A tribe member reminds
    him he's really from Flushing, NY. It seems like there is some
    residual English snobbery at work here, which was stronger back
    in the '60s. From the U.S. point of view England no longer appears
    very upscale. In fact, Manchester, being an industrial city, could never
    aspire to being an urban Garden of Eden, not even in someone's
    LSD-fueled perfervid imagination back in the '60s.

    By the way, since one of the creators of the musical was Polish, he gave
    one of the two main protagonists a Polish name, Bukowski
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  202. Yngvar says:
    @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam.

    Islamic State’s Dabiq magazine issue #15

    Self hating Westerners are of no use for us. Go away.

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  203. Jefferson says:
    @anon
    s not depressing Steve , you brute. What would be depressing is if this incident provoked an Islamophobic backlash against innocent Muslims.

    Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim. A cursory read of the Koran proves it to be a peaceful book.

    We need to do some soul searching. I mean my head is literrally spinning. We marginalized this young man. We need to do a better job at integration.

    We cannot let them win. We need to win them over with love. If we dont let refugees in than the terrorists win. Its 2017 guys , why cant you undrstand this. wow just wow

    “Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim.”

    If the Manchester bomber is not a real Muslim than Dylann Roof is not a real White.

    If Muslims are not capable of behaving like barbaric animals than neither are Whites.

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  204. Jefferson says:
    @reiner Tor
    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    “He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK.”

    Salman Abedi the Manchester terrorist is about as ethnically “British” as Daniel Kaluuya the star of Get Out.

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  205. biz says:
    @Opinionator
    Have you not noticed that antipathy to “invade the world, invite the world” policies is pretty standard issue around here?


    Judging by the responses to this thread, a large number of commenters (half?) have bought into the Zionist narrative.

    I enjoy that you are redefining “Zionist” to mean anyone who objects to getting slaughtered in our streets and cities by Islamist maniacs, and anyone who recognizes the cause and effect between terrorism and Islamist religious beliefs vis a vis martyrdom and infidels.

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  206. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D

    The #Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, was a Libyan refugee born in 1994 in the city.
     
    If he was born in Manchester then he wasn't a refugee. His PARENTS were refugees (not really because the father apparently went back and forth to Tripoli - so much for "fear of persecution"). But it seems like he didn't assimilate into British culture at all. That's the real problem. Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won't assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.

    “But it seems like he didn’t assimilate into British culture at all.”

    Muslims don’t assimilate into the host countries they immigrate to. Muslims want the host countries to assimilate into their culture, not the other way around.

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  207. biz says:
    @Opinionator
    Bin Laden was wealthy and educated. The world was his oyster and he gave it all up to fight what he perceived to be injustice. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a bright engineer. Ayman al Zawahri is a physician.

    They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don’t know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don’t even try that hard.

    What they are motivated by is an eternity for their souls in paradise which is what their religion teaches them awaits such martyrs – that is what can motivate somebody to give up Earthly riches and indeed their life, and that is what they explicitly say in their martyrdom videos, and in outlets like ISIS’s Dabiq magazine. Check it out sometime, you might learn something.

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    Eight to five you start sending enough of them to paradise and they get cold feet, for awhile. Long enough to kick them out, which ought to be the end goal.
    , @Jefferson
    "They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don’t know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don’t even try that hard."

    Opinionator is not a gullible Westerner or a Westerner period. He belongs to the Aladdin ethnicity.
    , @Opinionator
    You are fumbling around with Occam's Butterknife.

    Occam's Razor teaches that when one group of men invades the territory of another group of men, the invaded group will respond with violence in order to defend its territory.
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  208. Anon 2 says:
    @Alden
    Rent a car and stick to rural areas. There are as many historical sites, cathedrals etc. in rural areas as in cities. Stay away from big city train stations. They are hang outs for homeless Arabs. Hungary, Poland Czech Republic are safer,

    If you can tolerate being sedentary, Viking lines has river cruises. You don't have to drive or sit on trains and all the river cities are very historic.

    Poland, Hungary, and Austria are refusing
    to admit (more) Muslim migrants. This is
    now becoming a war between the EU honchos
    and the notion of national sovereignty within
    the EU, particularly because Frau Merkel in her
    infinite wisdom made a unilateral decision (without
    consulting with her EU allies) to invite the migrants
    into Germany, back in late summer of 2015

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  209. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of "not real Muslims", how about the neo-Nazi-turned-Muslim in Florida who killed his neo-Nazi roommates because of "invade the world"... crazy world.

    Someone on Twitter linked me an article about that guy, in an effort to prove to me that racist, non-Muslim whites are terrorists too.

    Must not have read the whole article.

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    In that person's defense, I'd say it's most likely that nitwit was attracted to neo-Nazism and then Islam precisely because his was attracted to violence first.
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  210. If we kill them, we lose. We can only win by dying.

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  211. Karl says:
    @Bill B.
    This deathly repetitious jig of slaughter followed by calls for tolerance also risks being speeded up in its effects by Western government attempts to "regularize" Islam.

    Inevitably behind the high minded calls for a French-Islam or a German-Islam will be pious, bigoted Imams taking their lead from the ATM of intolerant religion: Saudi Arabia.

    As the Algerian writer Buoalem Sansal has argued from the Algerian experience attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in a massive expansion of strict, Wahabi-style Islam because it became not something voluntary or popular with old men, as was the case up until the 1980s (in his town that he uses as an example), but de rigueur.

    In other words, Sansal says, the perpetrators of horrific jihadi violence will obtain all their demands when governments make the mistake of attempting to supervise into being a "safe" Islam.

    Worth a listen (with usable subtitles).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-jDG_wnqcE&t=285s

    The takeover, for me, is that there is no good accommodation with Islam qua Islam.

    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore

    fixed it for you!

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    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore
     
    Singapore is, certainly in these matters, an authoritarian state. It ensures that ethnic Chinese retain absolute racial dominance and works with adamantine will to maintain Muslims at relatively low numbers.

    It is absolutely understood that the Islamic tail will never be permitted to wag the Chinese dog and this stance receives the overwhelming support of the great majority of the population.

    Sansal is talking about the foolishness of thinking that Islam can be contained by regulations that will be policed by religious Muslims themselves.
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  212. EriK says:
    @Anonymous
    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn't seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I'm no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn't be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here's a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

    Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers.

    I believe that. Counterproductive to train someone to make bombs and then blow themselves up.

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  213. J.Ross says: • Website

    What’s depressing? This is what they wanted. Is it depressing when a person sticks a fork in an electrical socket and is shocked?

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  214. @anonymous
    If I didn't loudly ridicule the travel ban, my friends might think I support Trump, and then my entire peer group would ostracize me. I am willing to die in a terrorist attack to avoid being shunned by the cool kids at school.

    If I didn’t loudly ridicule the travel ban…

    I ridicule the travel ban, too. For being too wussy.

    What’s needed is a total moratorium on Islamic immigration until they can go 25 years without a single terrorist act.

    “They” meaning the entirety of Islam, the whole camelhumpin’ billion of ‘em.

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  215. Jay Fink says:
    @Jan
    The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester's large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims - except those in Israel.

    So do American Jews. I can not begin to count how many pro-Muslim posts I read on Facebook from my Cousin, a successful Jewish attorney. He loves Muslims. i don’t think he knows any personally but he definitely loves them and wants a lot of them to immigrate here.

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  216. Jay Fink says:
    @Art Deco
    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it's bizarre to divine the views of 'British Jewry' from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.

    I disagree. Genetic testing clearly shows Jews are an ethnic group. In my case it is not my religion because I don’t practice it. I don’t look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features and I certainly don’t think like a typical Jewish person as I am not a leftist. Yet my 23andme results show I am 98.5% Ashkenazi.

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    I don’t look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features
     
    There are a lot of Jewish people who fit that description. You might not be nearly as atypical as you think.
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  217. Escher says:
    @Opinionator
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    So these European born and/or raised psychos are justified in killing their fellow citizens on behalf of their co-religionists thousands of miles away. Not making a good argument for the assimilability of Muslims, are we?

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  218. @Jefferson
    "My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily?"

    Ariana Grande doesn't claim any Hispanic or Non Hispanic Native American ancestry.

    Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn’t claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon….

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    I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.


    Really? Why?
    , @Jefferson
    "Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn’t claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon…."

    We live in the era of Flight From White, so why wouldn't Ariana Grande claim Amerindian or Sub Saharan African ancestry to explain her swarthiness? Why would Ariana Grande want to claim to be White when it's not cool to be White in 2017.
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  219. Escher says:
    @syonredux
    Killing your host is bad manners.

    Viruses and bacilli do just fine by killing their hosts.

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  220. Stealth says:
    @Jack D
    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date - apparently the victim was a big fan):

    https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e15/11378261_703146036463542_950083194_n.jpg

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it's said that some Sicilians have African admixture - the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.

    People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark. Think of Arturo Gatti. Oddly enough, their half northern European children can be surprisingly light. Most Euro-Americans with an Italian grandparent don’t look it at all. An acquaitance of mine is half Italian, and the only giveaway that his red-haired son is part Italian is the coal colored eyes he inherited from his grandfather.

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    "People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark."

    In The Sopranos thread on Nordic Stormfront they think Big Pussy, Bobby, and Vito look like Mestizos, because they do not see White people who look like them within their WASP ethnicity. Since most people on Stormfront live in Flyover Country where there are barely any Italians, they are not familiar with the types of phenotypes that exist within the Mediterranean.
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  221. @Detective Club
    British West Indian immigrants don't engage in crime for religious reasons - - - only simply for monetary gain. Walk through the Hackney or Brixton districts of London, if you dare, these were once poor White areas, where there used to be some measure of crime. Now it's mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.
    https://youtu.be/e6X26j9v13A
    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC. She admitted to over-staying her tourist visa. "The rents in the funky parts of London are still relatively cheap but my life is worth a price that is much more dear to me, personally," she said. Not all Blacks are stupid.

    Yes, she appeared to have chosen a new American life as a medium-level prostitute and no, I wasn't a prospective customer, hoping to sample her wares. Most Americans still consider the Limey or Cockney accent sexy. Me, every time I hear that accent, I cringe. The English seem to enjoy throwing their country down the drain. To my ears, the English accent is the horrible screech of imbeciles.

    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC.

    Sure that wasn’t Boy George going incognegro?

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    She looked a damn sight better than Boy George ever did. I think she was working the "Rihanna Look" - - - but without the annoying tattoos. If you're a mid-level prostitute, trying to work your way up the whore-ladder in NYC, you don't want potential clients to even think about Boy George when they ask you for succor and solace.

    Come on now! Boy George never looked that good in raspberry-colored hair!
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  222. @Johann Ricke

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility.
     
    Actually, all three countries had major malcontents that occasionally erupted in rebellion against the ruling regimes. Iraq had its majority Shiites and minority Kurds, Libya had its increasingly Islamist rebels up in arms about Gadaffi's secular rule and Syria has been chafing under minority Alawite rule ever since Hafez Assad came to power. The one thing these three regimes had in common was their long history of not just opposition to US interests, but of actual attacks on Americans. Iraq, of course, attacked the USS Stark, Libya did the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on GI's in West Germany and Syria was involved in the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon.

    Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme. The oil-producing Gulf kingdoms are important enough that even noted dove Jimmy Carter risked direct confrontation with the Soviets by backing the Afghan mujahideen and initiated the Carter Doctrine, stating that any attack in the Gulf region would be regarded as an attack on the US. And yet Saddam persisted. Saddam dug his own grave by persisting in feeding his Saladin fantasies (while slaughtering Saladin's Kurdish kinfolk). If he had simply complied with UN requirements, he could have kept Iraq's Kurds and Shiites at bay without repercussion. But he had to have the last word.

    Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme

    As was Germany’s invasion of France. Note that in both conflicts, we sided with the antisuffragist victims against their suffragist invaders. Just sayin’…

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  223. Kyle says:

    Steve, we crossed the rubicon 20 years ago. What do I think of manchester? I don’t much, what else is new? Manifest destiny. Dwelling on the past or on the present is futile. Our number one goal should be organization moving forward. More education grants for “rural” kids, “ending racial disparity” in welfare recipients, constructing a border wall to “combat human trafficking”, and reducing HB1 visas to “reduce competition for jobs” among the highly educated. These should be our goals, thus should be our rhetoric. “Affordable family formation,” is also rhetorical genius.

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  224. Escher says:
    @Bugg
    Been to many concerts and sporting events at arenas and stadiums across the US. Whats trikes me about last night is the bomber or his team times this perfectly. The moment the show lets out invariably the exit doors are overwhelmed with people leaving. And this had the added number of parents waiting for their children at exit points.To be at an exit point required no security check; bomber was able to maximize his destruction and get very close.

    The scary part of this is there are some stadiums and arenas that do a very good job of getting people in and out of their venues, but nay that do not. Yankee Stadium, the Barclays Center and Madison Square Garden, for example, get people in and out very quickly. All grasped that numerous exit points work better for everyone rather than herding people into choke points. And others that do a simply awful job. Citifield, and Metlife Stadium are either designed or administered to have crowd bottlenecks and entry and exit points. And the 2 scariest are far and away Fenway Park and Wrigley Filed. Not much you can do with ancient places like that.

    Those stadiums are on the wrong side of history. The future belongs to stadiums that are designed like open-air maximum security prisons.

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  225. It’s ok guys. The terrorist was born in England. He’s not an immigrant. But the low-informaton conservatives aren’t nuanced enough in their thinking to cognizance this dichotomy/paradigm.

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  226. NickG says:

    Time for an emergency facebook filter, to project the union flag onto buildings, light some candles, have some fluffy hashtags and do much ostentatious emoting.

    Meantime – let’s change the UK school calendar to be sharia compliant, so the nice Muslims – and the remaining 95% of the population – don’t have to sit exams during Ramadan.

    And time to carry on full speed with the The Great replacement and institute the frontlash against all those badthinkers who would be beastly to the Muslims.

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    Hasn't the Union flag been declared racist and offensive.
    , @BB753
    What the British really need now is Elton John playing "Imagine" on his piano in the Manchester Arena and a nice and massive candlelight vigil. That will strike fear into the hearts of terrorists, surely.
    The more they kill us kaffirs the closer we are to defeating Jihad. In fact, Muslims will become fully integrated by the time they reach 100% of the population : if that's what it takes, it will totally be worth going extinct, or so liberal morons actually think. So don't reproduce yourselves and don't make such a fuss about being slaughtered. It's for the common good.
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  227. Stealth says:
    @Jay Fink
    I disagree. Genetic testing clearly shows Jews are an ethnic group. In my case it is not my religion because I don't practice it. I don't look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features and I certainly don't think like a typical Jewish person as I am not a leftist. Yet my 23andme results show I am 98.5% Ashkenazi.

    I don’t look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features

    There are a lot of Jewish people who fit that description. You might not be nearly as atypical as you think.

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    I knew this but wrongly assumed Jews like myself with Northern European looking features had more mixing with gentiles in their genetic history. I expected my Ashkenazi (which I realize are the most white looking Jews) % to be under 90%. Instead it was 98.5% which is on the high end of typical for someone with two Jewish parents.
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  228. @Autochthon
    Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn't claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon....

    I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Really? Why?

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    Why not? It entitles me to preferential treatment in violation of justice and decency, and thus some modicum of equality with others before the law in its currently perverted state.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Under Race, I put "American".
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  229. @syonredux
    Killing your host is bad manners.

    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?

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    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?
     
    Absolutely, dear fellow. It's an ancient custom. Killing your host is frowned upon.

    But that is simply further evidence that Muslims should not be allowed in Western countries.

    , @syonredux

    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?
     
    After all, dear fellow, Eddie Rickenbacker didn't go all Pan-German back in the Great War.....


    Muslims living in the West, though, fail the Rickenbacker-Eisenhower-Pershing-Nimitz-Spaatz test......

    How contemptible......
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  230. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @for-the-record
    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger.

    From Newsweek, March 31, 2017:

    UNDER TRUMP, U.S. MILITARY HAS ALLEGEDLY KILLED OVER 1,000 CIVILIANS IN IRAQ, SYRIA IN MARCH

    ... “Evidence gathered on the ground in East Mosul points to an alarming pattern of U.S.-led coalition airstrikes which have destroyed whole houses with entire families inside,” said Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International, who carried out field investigations in Mosul.

    “The high civilian toll suggests that coalition forces leading the offensive in Mosul have failed to take adequate precautions to prevent civilian deaths, in flagrant violation of international humanitarian law.”

     

    See also Chalmers Johnson, Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, 2004, ISBN, 0805075593.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Consequences-American-Empire-Project/dp/0805075593/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495590580&sr=8-1&keywords=chalmers+johnson+blowback

    That’s why the Muslims are punishing Sweden…for its brutal legacy of colonialism and warmongering in the Middle East.

    And that’s why, in the ’60s and early ’70s, when we dropped more than two million tons of ordnance on Laos (making it the most heavily bombed country per capita in history), Laotian immigrant terrorists were blowing people up at Janis Joplin concerts in Milwaukee.

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  231. BB753 says:
    @syonredux

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida.
     
    She uses a lot of bronzer. Compare her complexion to her brother's:

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande


    I’ve lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.
     
    She makes reference to having North African ancestry:

    Ariana also once twitted that she “just found out my grandparents are heavily greek and part north African”, and then specified “…the chart says Greece/Italy. I just thought it was funny. I’m assuming the North African bit is Moroccan or Tunisia?”

    Ariana’s reference to “the chart” makes it likely that she took some sort of DNA test to map out her potential heritage. DNA tests for people of Sicilian descent sometimes indicate some kind of Greek or North African ancestry.
     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande

    If you watch the linked pictures of her parents and grandparents, Ariana is darker in skin tone than any of them. Very unusual.

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    If you watch the linked pictures of her parents and grandparents, Ariana is darker in skin tone than any of them. Very unusual.
     
    Yeah, as I pointed out, she's also darker than her brother. I think that bronzer use has something to do with it.
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  232. @Opinionator
    I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.


    Really? Why?

    Why not? It entitles me to preferential treatment in violation of justice and decency, and thus some modicum of equality with others before the law in its currently perverted state.

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  233. @Reg Cæsar

    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC.
     
    Sure that wasn't Boy George going incognegro?

    She looked a damn sight better than Boy George ever did. I think she was working the “Rihanna Look” – – – but without the annoying tattoos. If you’re a mid-level prostitute, trying to work your way up the whore-ladder in NYC, you don’t want potential clients to even think about Boy George when they ask you for succor and solace.

    Come on now! Boy George never looked that good in raspberry-colored hair!

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    Whores don't work up the ladder. The high end call girls are recruited and trained from surprisingly upscale backgrounds more often than not. The smart ones make a nest egg and quit before a trick goes bad and they get killed, severely beaten or they get AIDS.
    The less disciplined wind up becoming whorehouse or street hookers, selling dope, or just bag ladies.
    Make no mistake,they are all damaged people. Even the most "successful" are burned out inside, walking wrecks.
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  234. Dissident says:
    @reiner Tor
    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    That’s because he wasn’t an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK.

    That is nearly identical to a reply I got from a smug Upper West Sider (Manhattan, NYC) last June, concerning Omar Mateen, the massacrer of the Sodomite nightclub in Orlando:

    http://www.westsiderag.com/2016/06/12/moms-protest-gun-violence-outside-the-tony-awards#comment-327459

    You ARE aware that Mr. Trump’s bombastic threat to ‘bar people (i.e. Muslims) from terrorist-inclined countries’ would NOT have prevented the Orlando horror BECAUSE THE GUNMAN WAS A U.S. CITIZEN and had lived here his entire life !

    Only, unlike you, the respectable who wrote the above was not being sarcastic.

    Scroll-down to see my response, in which I linked-to our host.

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  235. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @biz
    They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don't know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don't even try that hard.

    What they are motivated by is an eternity for their souls in paradise which is what their religion teaches them awaits such martyrs - that is what can motivate somebody to give up Earthly riches and indeed their life, and that is what they explicitly say in their martyrdom videos, and in outlets like ISIS's Dabiq magazine. Check it out sometime, you might learn something.

    Eight to five you start sending enough of them to paradise and they get cold feet, for awhile. Long enough to kick them out, which ought to be the end goal.

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  236. Alden says:
    @NickG
    Time for an emergency facebook filter, to project the union flag onto buildings, light some candles, have some fluffy hashtags and do much ostentatious emoting.

    Meantime - let's change the UK school calendar to be sharia compliant, so the nice Muslims - and the remaining 95% of the population - don't have to sit exams during Ramadan.

    And time to carry on full speed with the The Great replacement and institute the frontlash against all those badthinkers who would be beastly to the Muslims.

    Hasn’t the Union flag been declared racist and offensive.

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  237. @Opinionator
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    That might explain some attacks, like 9/11 and the Bataclan bombing, but why the terrorist attacks in semi-pacifist Sweden, Germany, and Belgium. And why attack 12 year-old girls? I wasn’t aware neoconservatism was so popular among female tweens.

    Lets face it, Muslim terrorists have a wide-ranging hatred of the West. It can’t just be blamed on British, French and American foreign policy.

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    Sweden, Germany, and Belgium aren't really semi-Pacifist. All have participated in US-Zionist bombings/invasion of a major Muslim country (see Iraq, Syria, Libya) since the Iraq War.

    Why target a youth event? To make it hurt. Because Muslims see us as taking the lives of their own children. To maximize media coverage. To make Western decisionmakers, including voters, feel vulnerable where they care the most (their offspring). It's basic reciprocity and deterrence, amplified to reach a large number of people/decisionmakers.

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  238. szopen says:

    The latest spin in posts by my liberal friends: it is an attack of patriarchal ideology on innocent young women, fighting for gender equality and freedom of sexuality expression.

    Cause, you know, Catholics, conservatives, islamists, they are all part of the same united front which just wants to attack the feminism.

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    I'm not surprised.

    What is unusual is that the feminazis admit the bomber and his co conspirators are Muslims. For a long time feminazi fantasy and falsehood theory claimed that Asian, Hindu, Muslim and primitive women were far more liberated and free that Christian European and American women.
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  239. szopen says:
    @reiner Tor
    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    LOL :)
    But seriously, parodies aside, remember this meme?

    View post on imgur.com

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  240. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Of course, Enoch Powell predicted all this some 50 years ago.

    Tell me, do *any* other political speeches made in those distant, far off days actually describe to any degree of approximation the reality of today’s world?

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  241. Mudpack says:
    @Opinionator
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    These statements (taken from their jihadi videos) from Tanweer and Khan were just part of their legends as MI5 informants. Anybody who thinks these men actually perpetrated the 2005 London Underground bombings is ignorant. The sentiments expressed in these statements are common to anti-Western jihadism. If the US would not invade the Middle East there would no longer be any rationale for these attacks.

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  242. Jefferson says:
    @Autochthon
    Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn't claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon....

    “Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn’t claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon….”

    We live in the era of Flight From White, so why wouldn’t Ariana Grande claim Amerindian or Sub Saharan African ancestry to explain her swarthiness? Why would Ariana Grande want to claim to be White when it’s not cool to be White in 2017.

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    The simplest answer (assuming your premises) is "because she has alrwady claims to be a Moor, which is worth far more Pokémon points for alleged exoticism and oppression in any event."
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  243. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2
    Manchester was the world's first industrialized city.
    Until only a few decades ago it was a great center of
    the textile industry (which later migrated to China, etc).
    For some strange reason, "Manchester, England" is
    also mentioned prominently in the 1967 hippie musical Hair.

    Events like this make me feel sorry for the whole Millennial
    generation. Time magazine IIRC several years ago had a story
    in which it referred to the Millennials as the screwed-up generation:
    9/11, invasion of Iraq, Katrina, Great Recession, depressed wages,
    low marriage rates, and these days terrorism. It wasn't that long
    ago that going to a concert was one of the most pleasurable carefree
    experiences one could have. I certainly relish my memories of going
    to see the Stones, Grateful Dead, Phish (not so much!),... Woodstock '69
    couldn't happen today. There would be too much fear. Even the careers
    of the Beatles or the Stones would probably not reach the stratospheric
    highs they did in this climate of fear. My generation in the U.S. enjoyed 28
    years, almost three decades, of relative peace from 1973 (end of the draft) to
    9/11/2001.

    Sorry if I'm focusing too much on the pleasures of concert going while
    people are still mourning their dead and wounded.

    From the 1967 musical “Hair”

    Manchester England England
    Across the Atlantic Sea
    And I’m a genius genius
    ……
    (sung by Claude Bukowski)

    In the original musical (but not the later movie),
    created by James Radomski (Rado) and Gerome Ragni,
    a Polish-American and an Italian-American, Claude Bukowski,
    in a fake English accent, says he’s “the most beautiful beast in
    the forest” from “Manchester, England.” A tribe member reminds
    him he’s really from Flushing, NY. It seems like there is some
    residual English snobbery at work here, which was stronger back
    in the ’60s. From the U.S. point of view England no longer appears
    very upscale. In fact, Manchester, being an industrial city, could never
    aspire to being an urban Garden of Eden, not even in someone’s
    LSD-fueled perfervid imagination back in the ’60s.

    By the way, since one of the creators of the musical was Polish, he gave
    one of the two main protagonists a Polish name, Bukowski

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  244. Jefferson says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group
     
    Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English.

    “Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English.”

    You can say that about any Mediterranean group in comparison to lily White Northern Europeans. Antonio Banderas, Casey Casem, Cristiano Ronaldo, Jason Mantzoukas, and Nicholas Turturro sure don’t look English WASPs either.

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  245. @unpc downunder
    That might explain some attacks, like 9/11 and the Bataclan bombing, but why the terrorist attacks in semi-pacifist Sweden, Germany, and Belgium. And why attack 12 year-old girls? I wasn't aware neoconservatism was so popular among female tweens.

    Lets face it, Muslim terrorists have a wide-ranging hatred of the West. It can't just be blamed on British, French and American foreign policy.

    Sweden, Germany, and Belgium aren’t really semi-Pacifist. All have participated in US-Zionist bombings/invasion of a major Muslim country (see Iraq, Syria, Libya) since the Iraq War.

    Why target a youth event? To make it hurt. Because Muslims see us as taking the lives of their own children. To maximize media coverage. To make Western decisionmakers, including voters, feel vulnerable where they care the most (their offspring). It’s basic reciprocity and deterrence, amplified to reach a large number of people/decisionmakers.

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    Why target a youth event? To make it hurt. Because Muslims see us as taking the lives of their own children. To maximize media coverage. To make Western decisionmakers, including voters, feel vulnerable where they care the most (their offspring). It’s basic reciprocity and deterrence, amplified to reach a large number of people/decisionmakers.
     
    Bad manners to kill your host, dear fellow.....
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  246. Jefferson says:
    @Stealth
    People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark. Think of Arturo Gatti. Oddly enough, their half northern European children can be surprisingly light. Most Euro-Americans with an Italian grandparent don't look it at all. An acquaitance of mine is half Italian, and the only giveaway that his red-haired son is part Italian is the coal colored eyes he inherited from his grandfather.

    “People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark.”

    In The Sopranos thread on Nordic Stormfront they think Big Pussy, Bobby, and Vito look like Mestizos, because they do not see White people who look like them within their WASP ethnicity. Since most people on Stormfront live in Flyover Country where there are barely any Italians, they are not familiar with the types of phenotypes that exist within the Mediterranean.

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    I'm from an area of the Deep South that for some reason has a lot of variety within (what's left of) its white population. Italian surnames are as common as stop signs here. A lot of the names are pronounced in a lazy southern fashion.
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  247. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Detective Club
    She looked a damn sight better than Boy George ever did. I think she was working the "Rihanna Look" - - - but without the annoying tattoos. If you're a mid-level prostitute, trying to work your way up the whore-ladder in NYC, you don't want potential clients to even think about Boy George when they ask you for succor and solace.

    Come on now! Boy George never looked that good in raspberry-colored hair!

    Whores don’t work up the ladder. The high end call girls are recruited and trained from surprisingly upscale backgrounds more often than not. The smart ones make a nest egg and quit before a trick goes bad and they get killed, severely beaten or they get AIDS.
    The less disciplined wind up becoming whorehouse or street hookers, selling dope, or just bag ladies.
    Make no mistake,they are all damaged people. Even the most “successful” are burned out inside, walking wrecks.

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    Thanks for bringing back "bag lady;" that is a term too long disused. I am hoing to make a point of uaing it myself as much as possible in coming weeks.

    My wife and I have a sort of game, as it were, wherein when driving about on errands we try to spot and point out bums. Sometimes it is easy: the guy on the costly bicycle wearing fancy gear is not a bum, but an amateur athlete, whereas the old man with skin like poorly tanned leather on a cheap BMX-style bike he probably stole from some kid's backyard is a winner.

    A lot of them are difficult, close cases.

    She's really impressed when I point out the hidden cities of bums that riddle California, like unto a fairy kingdom of gnomes who live among us but in a parallel, hidden world. The villages beneath bridges and overpasses, the hobo jungles alongside railroad tracks, the encampments in public parks. I especially enjoy the ones who establish their little bum-cities adjacent to the stone walls encircling the fancy-pants flats and neighbourhoods of McMansions. I've no doubt the assholes inhabiting these posh digs are oblivious to the very poverty and vice their selfish policies create. Hell, half of them probably volunteer for "social justice" on weekends when they aren't buying garbage made in overseas factories which the homeless druggies use to manufacture or working to increase immigration and decrease wages (which, of course, is in no way related to socioeconomic inequality...).

    Ah, the bag lady. Familiar creature of my childhood. What secrets do you hold in your magic sack, what lore fills your toothless head?

    Many people don't realise the Lairds of Sili Valley have percected teleportation. I oncce thought I'd never make the kind of money needed to visit exotic locales like Brasil and Cambodia. Yet here I am.

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  248. Gabriel M says:
    @Jan
    The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester's large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims - except those in Israel.

    Jews – or at least people with some Jewish descent – are over represented among Britain’s cancerous academic body. Unlike in America, however, they, almost to a man, ostentatiously anti-ethnocentric and anti-zionist. There are lots of Judith Butlers, no Alan Dershowitzses. Among British Jews, there is a meme known as ‘As a Jew….’ which is used to describe such people.

    As to the actual Jewish community, there is simply no difference whatsoever between the statements of community representatives and those made by representatives of the Anglican, Roman Catholic or major dissenting churches with regard to race, immigration and multiculturalism. I recently fell out with quite a prominent British United Synagogue Rabbi over this issue, but my Anglican friends have no more positive experiences than I do.

    So in the sense that it’s true that ‘British Jews love their Muslims’, it’s also true that ‘British people love their Muslims’, since you will not find a single establishment figure of any faith or none, who says anything different. For what it’s worth, British Jews also love Muslims in Israel. Were British Jews to be given the vote, I doubt more than 20% would choose Likud. More or less every time a British Jew of my acquaintance visits Israel, they tell me how nice it is that there are Muslims everywhere. Since >60% vote Conservative, who – in theory- want to cut immigration, their views on British politics are somewhat to their right of their views on Israeli politics.

    So, in sum, stop trying, to use American categories to understand every country in the world.

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    I should add that the ultra-orthodox community, which now represents 50% of Jewish births in the UK, certainly does not 'love Muslims'. They don't really love anyone, but they love Muslims even less.

    Someone will say, 'but what about Neteuri Karta, don't they love Muslims?' Neteurei Karta is a youtube channel whose non Jewish followers outnumber Jews a million to one, at least. I happen to know an NK guy a bit (I'm tolerant you see). He doesn't see so well, because a Hassid stopped him in the street and sprayed deodorant in his eyes. In was once teaching in a ultra-orthodox school during one of the Gaza wars. We were supposed to teach about world affair for the benefit of OFSTED, so I asked the class what they thought should be done. The answers were .... not PC.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Isn't the top rabbi in England a fairly thoughtful center-rightist? I had a vague impression of that from a few years ago.
    , @Jay Fink
    Have Jews, whether Britsh or American, always been this pro-Islam? I don't recall this in decades past. Also, do Muslims love Jews back? I take it this is unrequited love.
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  249. Lot says:
    @mobi

    Tanweer said this ...

    And Khan said this...
     
    Remarkable how the the 'Tanweers' and 'Khans' of this world turn out to be, more often than not - former petty thieves, former petty drug dealers, former petty pimps, former failed rap artists, etc.

    Useless monkeys, basically. By embracing Jihad, in one magical, fell swoop, all former loserness is wiped away, and they rise from the bottom to the top, in their eyes. 'Glorious warriors for Allah', instead of worthless turds.

    They care about the fate of the Palestinians as much as they care about being present to raise their own kids, assuming they know about them.

    As for the high-minded rationalisations for their all-around primitive worthlessness, see - Sweden.

    We shouldn't be invading the world, and we shouldn't be inviting the world. In both cases, only and entirely for our own self-interest. There's no contradiction. It's practically the motto of this site.

    Very good response to Opinionator’s endless Muslimist trolling.

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  250. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Upcoming UK election summary:

    The three establishment parties.

    Labour Party – manifesto advocates no immigration control – this despite the last 15 years of UK politics, the rise of UKIP, brexit, successive Labour defeats and overturning of big Labour majorities due to the immigration issue.

    Liberal Party – likewise advocates no immigration control.

    Conservative Party – wishes to ‘cap’ immigration at 100,000 per annum, despite failing to meet this promise for 7 years. In actual fact, historically, 100,000 is quite an enormous figure.

    Needless to say The Economist magazine – which basically runs the British political class – is urging with all its might for the Tories to ‘drop’ their immigration limit and fall in with the other establishment parties.

    It’s as if Nigel Farage never even existed.

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    Former UK chancellor, (finance minister), George Osborne, a pro-EU supporter, ejected from Theresa May's cabinet has left UK politics to become, amongst other things, editor of London's 'Evening Standard' newspaper.
    Osborne posted an editorial calling on Theresa May to drop the immigration control pledge saying that 'all cabinet ministers think it's nonsense'.

    Strange that Osborne campaigned on Tory manifestoes that included the self-same pledge, and indeed actually *authored* the manifesto that originally made the pledge.

    A dirty, bare-faced, two-faced, shameless liar in other words.
    Following the almighty Economist agenda.
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  251. Jefferson says:
    @biz
    They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don't know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don't even try that hard.

    What they are motivated by is an eternity for their souls in paradise which is what their religion teaches them awaits such martyrs - that is what can motivate somebody to give up Earthly riches and indeed their life, and that is what they explicitly say in their martyrdom videos, and in outlets like ISIS's Dabiq magazine. Check it out sometime, you might learn something.

    “They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don’t know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don’t even try that hard.”

    Opinionator is not a gullible Westerner or a Westerner period. He belongs to the Aladdin ethnicity.

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    Ah well that explains a lot!
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  252. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @danindc
    It's bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word "spic"

    Now this is getting serious.

    A suicide bomber launched a devastating attack at an Ariana Grande pop concert at Manchester Arena on Monday night, targeting youngsters leaving the event.

    And actress Salma Hayek revealed she was struggling to process the terrible news during a Q&A at the 70th annual Cannes Film Festival on Tuesday, confessing that she hadn’t slept since hearing about the shocking incident, which has left 22 people dead and 59 injured – many of whom were children. The Hollywood star, 50, was moved to tears at the Kering Women in Motion Talk photocall, explaining that her daughter Valentina, nine, is a big Ariana fan and would have loved to have been at the concert.

    –Daily Mail UK

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    “But show business has always been like that - any kind of show business. If these people didn't live intense and rather disordered lives, if their emotions didn't ride them too hard—well, they wouldn't be able to catch those emotions in flight and imprint them on a few feet of celluloid or project them across the footlights.”

    ― Raymond Chandler, The Little Sister

    , @Autochthon
    It's so adorable when one's nine-year-old daughter admires whorish antics, and so tragic when violence intrudes upon this innocent diversion.
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  253. Gabriel M says:
    @Gabriel M
    Jews - or at least people with some Jewish descent - are over represented among Britain's cancerous academic body. Unlike in America, however, they, almost to a man, ostentatiously anti-ethnocentric and anti-zionist. There are lots of Judith Butlers, no Alan Dershowitzses. Among British Jews, there is a meme known as 'As a Jew....' which is used to describe such people.

    As to the actual Jewish community, there is simply no difference whatsoever between the statements of community representatives and those made by representatives of the Anglican, Roman Catholic or major dissenting churches with regard to race, immigration and multiculturalism. I recently fell out with quite a prominent British United Synagogue Rabbi over this issue, but my Anglican friends have no more positive experiences than I do.

    So in the sense that it's true that 'British Jews love their Muslims', it's also true that 'British people love their Muslims', since you will not find a single establishment figure of any faith or none, who says anything different. For what it's worth, British Jews also love Muslims in Israel. Were British Jews to be given the vote, I doubt more than 20% would choose Likud. More or less every time a British Jew of my acquaintance visits Israel, they tell me how nice it is that there are Muslims everywhere. Since >60% vote Conservative, who - in theory- want to cut immigration, their views on British politics are somewhat to their right of their views on Israeli politics.

    So, in sum, stop trying, to use American categories to understand every country in the world.

    I should add that the ultra-orthodox community, which now represents 50% of Jewish births in the UK, certainly does not ‘love Muslims’. They don’t really love anyone, but they love Muslims even less.

    Someone will say, ‘but what about Neteuri Karta, don’t they love Muslims?’ Neteurei Karta is a youtube channel whose non Jewish followers outnumber Jews a million to one, at least. I happen to know an NK guy a bit (I’m tolerant you see). He doesn’t see so well, because a Hassid stopped him in the street and sprayed deodorant in his eyes. In was once teaching in a ultra-orthodox school during one of the Gaza wars. We were supposed to teach about world affair for the benefit of OFSTED, so I asked the class what they thought should be done. The answers were …. not PC.

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  254. anon says: • Disclaimer

    **** **** ***

    start on the west coast of Ireland and stop at the Indian border

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  255. @anonymous
    Now this is getting serious.

    A suicide bomber launched a devastating attack at an Ariana Grande pop concert at Manchester Arena on Monday night, targeting youngsters leaving the event.

    And actress Salma Hayek revealed she was struggling to process the terrible news during a Q&A at the 70th annual Cannes Film Festival on Tuesday, confessing that she hadn't slept since hearing about the shocking incident, which has left 22 people dead and 59 injured - many of whom were children. The Hollywood star, 50, was moved to tears at the Kering Women in Motion Talk photocall, explaining that her daughter Valentina, nine, is a big Ariana fan and would have loved to have been at the concert.

    --Daily Mail UK
     

    “But show business has always been like that – any kind of show business. If these people didn’t live intense and rather disordered lives, if their emotions didn’t ride them too hard—well, they wouldn’t be able to catch those emotions in flight and imprint them on a few feet of celluloid or project them across the footlights.”

    ― Raymond Chandler, The Little Sister

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  256. @Gabriel M
    Jews - or at least people with some Jewish descent - are over represented among Britain's cancerous academic body. Unlike in America, however, they, almost to a man, ostentatiously anti-ethnocentric and anti-zionist. There are lots of Judith Butlers, no Alan Dershowitzses. Among British Jews, there is a meme known as 'As a Jew....' which is used to describe such people.

    As to the actual Jewish community, there is simply no difference whatsoever between the statements of community representatives and those made by representatives of the Anglican, Roman Catholic or major dissenting churches with regard to race, immigration and multiculturalism. I recently fell out with quite a prominent British United Synagogue Rabbi over this issue, but my Anglican friends have no more positive experiences than I do.

    So in the sense that it's true that 'British Jews love their Muslims', it's also true that 'British people love their Muslims', since you will not find a single establishment figure of any faith or none, who says anything different. For what it's worth, British Jews also love Muslims in Israel. Were British Jews to be given the vote, I doubt more than 20% would choose Likud. More or less every time a British Jew of my acquaintance visits Israel, they tell me how nice it is that there are Muslims everywhere. Since >60% vote Conservative, who - in theory- want to cut immigration, their views on British politics are somewhat to their right of their views on Israeli politics.

    So, in sum, stop trying, to use American categories to understand every country in the world.

    Isn’t the top rabbi in England a fairly thoughtful center-rightist? I had a vague impression of that from a few years ago.

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    You are thinking of the last Chief Rabbi , Lord Jonathan Sacks. The current Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis is more of a nonentity , though I would guess probably more sympathetic to the Right as he is more closely associated with Haredi/Ultra-Orthodox wing.
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  257. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Upcoming UK election summary:

    The three establishment parties.

    Labour Party - manifesto advocates no immigration control - this despite the last 15 years of UK politics, the rise of UKIP, brexit, successive Labour defeats and overturning of big Labour majorities due to the immigration issue.

    Liberal Party - likewise advocates no immigration control.

    Conservative Party - wishes to 'cap' immigration at 100,000 per annum, despite failing to meet this promise for 7 years. In actual fact, historically, 100,000 is quite an enormous figure.

    Needless to say The Economist magazine - which basically runs the British political class - is urging with all its might for the Tories to 'drop' their immigration limit and fall in with the other establishment parties.

    It's as if Nigel Farage never even existed.

    Former UK chancellor, (finance minister), George Osborne, a pro-EU supporter, ejected from Theresa May’s cabinet has left UK politics to become, amongst other things, editor of London’s ‘Evening Standard’ newspaper.
    Osborne posted an editorial calling on Theresa May to drop the immigration control pledge saying that ‘all cabinet ministers think it’s nonsense’.

    Strange that Osborne campaigned on Tory manifestoes that included the self-same pledge, and indeed actually *authored* the manifesto that originally made the pledge.

    A dirty, bare-faced, two-faced, shameless liar in other words.
    Following the almighty Economist agenda.

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  258. @Alden
    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    Wow, calm down.

    I didn’t see anyone dressed as a slut.

    They’re attending a concert with a singer who sings: “Wrist icicle, ride dick bicycle”*.
    Heres a concert with that song Ariana Grande – Side to Side – Dangerous Woman Tour Omaha – 2017 .
    Slut status: fact checked.

    The youngest wounded was only 6 years old.

    What kind of slut takes a 6 year old child along with them to see such a concert?

    * Is a dick bicycle similar to a cock carousel? Also, I don’t even want to know what a wrist icicle is.

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    I googled both dick bicycle and wrist icicle, they both mean certain specific sexual acts, though wrist icicle could mean simply jewelry around one's wrist, but at least it's ambivalent, and the first voted answer on Urban Dictionary referred to the sexual meaning. I'd be surprised if at least some of the 10-year-old fans didn't google it, and then told the others what it meant. In other words, I'd be surprised if most fans didn't know what it meant. It's quite sick.
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  259. Hail says: • Website
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood.

    Election, June 8th, 2017

    Aerage of Polls, Mid May 2016
    45% Conservatives
    33% Labor
    8% Lib Dem
    4% UKIP
    4% SNP
    2% Green
    4% Other

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  260. Bill B. says:
    @Karl
    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore

    fixed it for you!

    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore

    Singapore is, certainly in these matters, an authoritarian state. It ensures that ethnic Chinese retain absolute racial dominance and works with adamantine will to maintain Muslims at relatively low numbers.

    It is absolutely understood that the Islamic tail will never be permitted to wag the Chinese dog and this stance receives the overwhelming support of the great majority of the population.

    Sansal is talking about the foolishness of thinking that Islam can be contained by regulations that will be policed by religious Muslims themselves.

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  261. Arthur Koestler’s very un-PC account as to why the British in mandatory Palestine were pro-Arab.

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  262. @Johann Ricke

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.
     
    That wasn't true even during Jefferson's time. When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping, Uncle Sam created the Department of the Navy:

    Algeria began piracy against the U.S. on 25 July 1785 with the capture of the schooner Maria, and Dauphin a week later.[12] All four Barbary Coast states demanded $660,000 each. However, the envoys were given only an allocated budget of $40,000 to achieve peace.[13] Diplomatic talks to reach a reasonable sum for tribute or for the ransom of the captured sailors struggled to make any headway. The crews of Maria and Dauphin remained enslaved for over a decade, and soon were joined by crews of other ships captured by the Barbary States.[14]

    In 1795, Algeria came to an agreement that resulted in the release of 115 American sailors they held, at a cost of over $1 million. This amount totaled about one-sixth of the entire U.S. budget,[15] and was demanded as tribute by the Barbary States to prevent further piracy. The continuing demand for tribute ultimately led to the formation of the United States Department of the Navy, founded in 1798[16] to prevent further attacks upon American shipping and to end the demands for extremely large tributes from the Barbary States.
     
    The demands for American disarmament rest on the idea that world peace would come about if only Uncle Sam would stop meddling. Outside of unworldly thought bubbles, regimes act according to Thucydides's maxim: "The strong do as they can, while the weak suffer what they must".

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.

    When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping

    Barbary pirates: Arabs attack us, our business.
    Barbary pirates: Not Arabs doing to Jews.
    Barbary pirates: Not Arabs doing to other Arabs.

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  263. @Anonymous
    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     

    The last major immigration to England was Anglosaxon/Danish (same people, really) which had a surprisingly hard-to-detect impact outside of language, law and so on, a bit like the Normano-Breton-Flemings, who seem to have vanished without trace as a people. Maybe you could count the Celtic reflux of the 18th and 19th centuries (jocks, taffs and paddies to the Army, canals, railroads and mines) from their holdout areas as internal immigrants?
    Prior to that it was the Early Bronze Age, when the Ibero-Sardinian type farmers (the megalith dudes) who’d exterminated the local hunters were themselves more-or-less wiped out entirely by Beaker and then sub-Unetice tribes from the Rhine. Same place, same Beaker/Corded Ware background as the Saxons etc., hence the difficulty in disentangling the genetics, but likely undifferentiated indo-european-heading-towards-celtic/italic speakers
    And it hasn’t shifted hardly a whit since, in forty-four centuries. Neither in Britain nor Ireland.

    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962

    tl;dr
    We’ve lived here a hell of a lot longer than any Jew has ever lived in Israel. And any Arab too, come to that. “Nation of immigrants” is a big fat … Lie.

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  264. NickG says:

    How to Put Skin in the Game of Suicide Bombers

    ….in the case of terrorism. You kill my family and think that you have impunity; I will make yours pay some price for it. Indirect responsibility isn’t part of the standard crime and punishment methodology of a civilized society, but confronting terrorists (who threaten innocents) isn’t standard either. For we have rarely in history confronted a situation in which the perpetrator of a crime has a completely asymmetric payoff, an upside from death while committing it.

    We are totally defenseless in front of a deluded person willing to kill scores of innocents without any true downside, that is, skin in the game….

    Read the whole article by Nassim Nicholas Taleb

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    We are totally defenseless in front of a deluded person willing to kill scores of innocents without any true downside, that is, skin in the game….

    One must wonder whether the "deluded person" here may be an apt description of American and Israeli decisionmakers and their electorates.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    How to Put Skin in the Game of Suicide Bombers

     

    Better title:
    How to Put Skin in the Game of Immigration Advocates
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  265. @Johann Ricke

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.
     
    That wasn't true even during Jefferson's time. When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping, Uncle Sam created the Department of the Navy:

    Algeria began piracy against the U.S. on 25 July 1785 with the capture of the schooner Maria, and Dauphin a week later.[12] All four Barbary Coast states demanded $660,000 each. However, the envoys were given only an allocated budget of $40,000 to achieve peace.[13] Diplomatic talks to reach a reasonable sum for tribute or for the ransom of the captured sailors struggled to make any headway. The crews of Maria and Dauphin remained enslaved for over a decade, and soon were joined by crews of other ships captured by the Barbary States.[14]

    In 1795, Algeria came to an agreement that resulted in the release of 115 American sailors they held, at a cost of over $1 million. This amount totaled about one-sixth of the entire U.S. budget,[15] and was demanded as tribute by the Barbary States to prevent further piracy. The continuing demand for tribute ultimately led to the formation of the United States Department of the Navy, founded in 1798[16] to prevent further attacks upon American shipping and to end the demands for extremely large tributes from the Barbary States.
     
    The demands for American disarmament rest on the idea that world peace would come about if only Uncle Sam would stop meddling. Outside of unworldly thought bubbles, regimes act according to Thucydides's maxim: "The strong do as they can, while the weak suffer what they must".

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  266. @Anonymous
    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn't seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I'm no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn't be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here's a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

    It wouldn’t be the first time Muslim terrorists used TATP.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide#Use_in_improvised_explosive_devices

    It is not *that* hard to make.

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  267. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Alden
    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    As others have pointed out, the Arienne Grandes of the world are also part of the problem.

    Nobody said that the little girls “deserved to die”, but this woman is singing about how cool it is to be a slut. It’s definitely a problem that 8 or even 6-year-olds are attending her concerts. Of course, it’s the parents’ and not the children’s responsibility.

    I find it surprising that the majority of those answering the original comment didn’t get it and misrepresented it as an apology for the dumb Muslim terrorists.

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    MW never heard of Arianna Grande until the bombing. He just seized on the event to criticize all young girls as sluts. Muslims categorize all western women as sluts and whores even in the depths of a Scandinavian winter. MW's post agreed with the Muslim idea that all western women are sluts because they are not covered head to toe in burkas.

    I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut in the footage. Neither did MW. He just attacked those girls who were killed and wounded.

    MW and the rest of the geriatric fuddy dud dies aren't White Nationalists.
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  268. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Of course, in the UK the ‘Home Secretary’ is responsible for such as matters as national security, terrorist atrocities, policing, penal policy, law enforcement, criminal justice etc.
    The Labour Party candidate for Home Secretary is one Diane Abbott MP.

    Can anyone really, seriously, imagine Diane Abbott in the job?

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  269. A’thon, That’s right! All that extra traffic that just has turned many of our big cities into un-navigable messes during “rush hourS” (used to be an hour, not it’s 7-11, and 3-7 in places) grew like mushrooms, or is like sunspots that change entirely on their own, unaffected by government policies and choices. It’s just “traffic” and it just happens. Nothing to do with immigration. Don’t look at ethnicities of drivers when your car is traveling 0 mph in a 65 mph zone! You might notice something! And that would be bigoted and better to die than have someone think you are a bigot.

    It’s either us, or it’s them. There ain’t gonna be no gd Coexist as the stupid brainwashed idiot liberal bumper sticker tells us. Start the deportations. Trump better get his head in the game and stop this nonsense about how we don’t like illegal immigrants oh but we are lovin us some legal immigrants b/c some new reason popped into his head since the election (can you say “Ivanka”). That is not what he said on the campaign trail, and not what we voted for. I didn’t vote for Ivanka and I’m getting sick of seeing her face in front the camera.

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  270. MW says:
    @Alden
    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    > girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    That’s really not what I was trying to say. Of course they didn’t deserve to die.

    In every sub-culture I’m aware of that takes family formation seriously, the women dress modestly, and they take great pains to shield their children from hedonist entertainment. Maybe that’s a coincidence, and maybe Ariana Grande is just harmless fun, but I really don’t think so.

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    "...and maybe Ariana Grande is just harmless fun, but I really don’t think so...."

     

    From The Telegraph:



    ‘I’ve never seen her wear anything but black,’ she says. ‘She says it’s a part of who she is.

    A psychic she saw when she was younger told her that black was her colour.

    So she really decided to run with that one, I guess!’

    Grande was raised a Catholic, but in adolescence began questioning her faith out of love and support for her brother, who is gay.

    ‘When my brother was told that God didn’t love him I was like, “OK, that’s not cool.”

    They were building a Kabbalah centre in Florida so we both checked it out and really had a connection with it.’

    The Kabbalah movement – Madonna is its most high-profile adherent – ‘sort of stuck with me.

    And since then my life has unfolded in a really beautiful way, and I think that it has a lot to do with the tools I’ve learnt through Kabbalah, I really do.’


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/11159510/Ariana-Grande-interview-Big-Sean-diva.html


     

    And, just in case if you have any additional doubts:


    http://ijr.com/2015/07/364509-laura-ingraham-has-quite-a-suggestion-for-how-us-should-respond-to-ariana-grandes-america-bashing/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Culture
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  271. Heretic says:

    The circle jerk communal solidarity, candle waving, filter clicking responses to these events is turning it all into a bit if a hobby for the west. A rite of passage. Like a summer trip to some scummy touristic second world vacation spot. Why? Does it matter? That’s what we do now and we have the selfie to prove it. We cosy up and vigil together, feel smug about ourselves and our imaginary harmony, and pretend we’re arrayed in defiance of something. Anything. Makes a great Facebook post. Makes a great story. Its the travelling refujihadi circus, coming to a town near you. Get your presales while you still can.

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    There is a pile of pastel balloons, teddy bears, flowers and candles in one of the big squares of Manchester, along with the standard " we can not allow this tragic event to divide us" rhetoric from the politicians. Not divide us refers to the crime against PC by blaming Muslims and immigration policies for the bombing.
    , @William Badwhite
    I saw a woman in the airport yesterday wearing a "Boston Strong: You Messed with the Wrong City" t-shirt.

    I thought about asking her what exactly Boston did to prove someone "Messed with the Wrong City". Other than wearing silly t-shirts I mean.

    Did numerous Southie tough guys wander around and find the various muzzie immivaders and throw them in a river?

    Did Boston and/or Massachusetts vote for Trump?

    Is whichever Congressbeing represents Boston loudly insisting that Chechens be deported and a program that grants asylum to people on the grounds they'd be persecuted back where they belong and then watches those people go to that place on vacation be shut down immediately?

    As far as I know, nobody did anything except brag about being "Boston Strong".

    But instead I went back to reading my book.
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  272. @Jefferson
    "Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn’t claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon…."

    We live in the era of Flight From White, so why wouldn't Ariana Grande claim Amerindian or Sub Saharan African ancestry to explain her swarthiness? Why would Ariana Grande want to claim to be White when it's not cool to be White in 2017.

    The simplest answer (assuming your premises) is “because she has alrwady claims to be a Moor, which is worth far more Pokémon points for alleged exoticism and oppression in any event.”

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    "The simplest answer (assuming your premises) is “because she has alrwady claims to be a Moor,"

    She self identifies as Italian, she doesn't self identify herself as a Moor. Where is your evidence that she goes around calling herself a Moor?
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  273. @Art Deco
    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That's a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Opinionator is an Islamist apologist. He seems unfamiliar with the Koran and the stated goal of Islam to take over the entire world.

    I am NOT one who thinks the interventions in the Middle East were a good idea. Clearly they weren’t.

    But even without them, the die was cast when Europe permitted millions of Muslim “guest workers” to stay. This decision dates back to the 60s, 70s. Further millions were allowed in later for no good reason.

    Does Opinionator know that once Muslims take over a piece of land it is then part of Dar al Salam and must remain so?

    Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal).

    No, Opinionator, pacificism won’t help in the face of this military cult, built for one thing: expansion.

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    "Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal)."

    Spain and Portugal are Magic Dirt.
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  274. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    Wow, calm down.


    I didn’t see anyone dressed as a slut.

     

    They're attending a concert with a singer who sings: "Wrist icicle, ride dick bicycle"*.
    Heres a concert with that song Ariana Grande - Side to Side - Dangerous Woman Tour Omaha - 2017 .
    Slut status: fact checked.


    The youngest wounded was only 6 years old.

     

    What kind of slut takes a 6 year old child along with them to see such a concert?

    * Is a dick bicycle similar to a cock carousel? Also, I don't even want to know what a wrist icicle is.

    I googled both dick bicycle and wrist icicle, they both mean certain specific sexual acts, though wrist icicle could mean simply jewelry around one’s wrist, but at least it’s ambivalent, and the first voted answer on Urban Dictionary referred to the sexual meaning. I’d be surprised if at least some of the 10-year-old fans didn’t google it, and then told the others what it meant. In other words, I’d be surprised if most fans didn’t know what it meant. It’s quite sick.

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  275. Dissident says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Agree. And what's really pathetic is the tough talk we hear from European leaders after every atrocity. They sound really resolute, outraged, and determined. But, of course, stopping Muslim immigration is not open to consideration.

    I can't blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    I guess that just goes to show that as progressive and enlightened as the French are in so many respects, they, just like us here in the U.S., still couldn’t bring themselves to elect a woman as their leader. Alas, misogyny/sexism is still very much a force to be reckoned with– one we ignore at our own peril.

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  276. @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest.

    In other words, “we’d still be attacking you for your toleration of homosexuality, even if you stopped invading us.”

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    Nope. Read the letter more closely. It is careful to distinguish between "why we are fighting you" and "what we are calling you to be." The part you have excerpted was not placed in the section detailing the reasons they have turned to violence against us.
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  277. biz says:
    @Jefferson
    "They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don’t know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don’t even try that hard."

    Opinionator is not a gullible Westerner or a Westerner period. He belongs to the Aladdin ethnicity.

    Ah well that explains a lot!

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  278. @Opinionator
    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    In 1979, Khomeini’s henchmen murdered lots of secular leftists, even though they hated Western interference in the Middle East as much as the Muslims did, and even though they had worked to expel the Shah just as much as Muslims had. The lesson was quite clear: “it doesn’t matter what you believe or even what you do, if you’re not a Muslim, we have the right to kill you.”

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    "lots of secular leftists" is pretty vague.

    Granting your description of the historical events, your conclusion doesn't follow. It only shows that globalist/outgroup infiltration or meddling in a Muslim country will be dealt with severely. Maybe we should stop meddling in the countries?

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  279. Brutusale says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    I had to look up Ariana Grande; I'd never heard of her before.

    You must have missed it a couple years ago when she was licking doughnuts on a bakery case and talking about how she hated America.

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  280. @anonymous
    Now this is getting serious.

    A suicide bomber launched a devastating attack at an Ariana Grande pop concert at Manchester Arena on Monday night, targeting youngsters leaving the event.

    And actress Salma Hayek revealed she was struggling to process the terrible news during a Q&A at the 70th annual Cannes Film Festival on Tuesday, confessing that she hadn't slept since hearing about the shocking incident, which has left 22 people dead and 59 injured - many of whom were children. The Hollywood star, 50, was moved to tears at the Kering Women in Motion Talk photocall, explaining that her daughter Valentina, nine, is a big Ariana fan and would have loved to have been at the concert.

    --Daily Mail UK
     

    It’s so adorable when one’s nine-year-old daughter admires whorish antics, and so tragic when violence intrudes upon this innocent diversion.

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  281. Brutusale says:
    @Jack D
    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.

    Yes, society has come a long way since my 13-year old self and my 14-year old brother took the MBTA to the old Boston Garden to see Jethro Tull.

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  282. Brutusale says:
    @Opinionator
    Churchill and Harry Truman went after soft targets.

    Re: Truman.

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  283. @Anonymous
    Whores don't work up the ladder. The high end call girls are recruited and trained from surprisingly upscale backgrounds more often than not. The smart ones make a nest egg and quit before a trick goes bad and they get killed, severely beaten or they get AIDS.
    The less disciplined wind up becoming whorehouse or street hookers, selling dope, or just bag ladies.
    Make no mistake,they are all damaged people. Even the most "successful" are burned out inside, walking wrecks.

    Thanks for bringing back “bag lady;” that is a term too long disused. I am hoing to make a point of uaing it myself as much as possible in coming weeks.

    My wife and I have a sort of game, as it were, wherein when driving about on errands we try to spot and point out bums. Sometimes it is easy: the guy on the costly bicycle wearing fancy gear is not a bum, but an amateur athlete, whereas the old man with skin like poorly tanned leather on a cheap BMX-style bike he probably stole from some kid’s backyard is a winner.

    A lot of them are difficult, close cases.

    She’s really impressed when I point out the hidden cities of bums that riddle California, like unto a fairy kingdom of gnomes who live among us but in a parallel, hidden world. The villages beneath bridges and overpasses, the hobo jungles alongside railroad tracks, the encampments in public parks. I especially enjoy the ones who establish their little bum-cities adjacent to the stone walls encircling the fancy-pants flats and neighbourhoods of McMansions. I’ve no doubt the assholes inhabiting these posh digs are oblivious to the very poverty and vice their selfish policies create. Hell, half of them probably volunteer for “social justice” on weekends when they aren’t buying garbage made in overseas factories which the homeless druggies use to manufacture or working to increase immigration and decrease wages (which, of course, is in no way related to socioeconomic inequality…).

    Ah, the bag lady. Familiar creature of my childhood. What secrets do you hold in your magic sack, what lore fills your toothless head?

    Many people don’t realise the Lairds of Sili Valley have percected teleportation. I oncce thought I’d never make the kind of money needed to visit exotic locales like Brasil and Cambodia. Yet here I am.

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  284. Brutusale says:
    @Alden
    One of the dead is only 8 years old. The youngest wounded is only 6. The fan base is basically about 8 to 14.

    If I were a moderator I would ban MW forever. Those 12 and 13 year old "sluts" are our people, White European British girls. And they were murdered by a religious Puritan similar to MW.

    You really need to calm down.

    I’m no hater of little girls, or of women for that matter, but I seriously question the judgment of a woman who takes a prepubescent child to a show where the singer brags of “riding a dick bicycle”, which is self-explanatory, and having a “wrist icicle”, which is youthful slang for the semen dripping of your wrist after giving a handjob.

    These poor little girls weren’t sluts. Their mums who brought them to see this show, on the other hand…

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    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by "Brutusale", "reiner Tor", "Hippopotamusdrome" and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW's comment and defended it against Alden's attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screechings, Alden harps on MW's specific characterization of the "young women" at the concert being "dressed as sluts". But whether or not that specific portion of MW's comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    According to Reg Cæsar, the categories that Wikipedia places Ms. Grande into include, "LGBT rights activists" and "Sex-positive feminists". I was going to ask Alden whether he (is it he?) considers someone with such credentials to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande's primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden's that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande's songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable-- from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?
    , @anonymous
    John Derbyshire (pbuh) in 2002:

    Pop culture is filth. It is now completely degenerate. Why do you never hear anyone humming a current pop song any more? Because none of them is hummable, or even worth bothering to remember. What is the main topic on TV sitcoms and "dramedies"? You know what. Why do you stand in the aisle in Blockbuster muttering to yourself: "There isn't a single damn movie in here I want to watch"? Because Hollywood produces nothing but crap, crap, crap.
     
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  285. Jefferson says:

    After the Manchester terrorist attack committed by Muslims, it was only a matter of time before Muslims would start crying wolf and invent hate hoaxes.

    https://thetab.com/uk/manchester/2017/05/23/manchester-met-student-spat-today-racially-motivated-attack-28523

    Muslims assimilated into Black culture when it comes to culturally appropriating hate hoaxes. Muslims learned from Tawana Brawley.

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  286. Jefferson says:
    @Frau Katze
    Opinionator is an Islamist apologist. He seems unfamiliar with the Koran and the stated goal of Islam to take over the entire world.

    I am NOT one who thinks the interventions in the Middle East were a good idea. Clearly they weren't.

    But even without them, the die was cast when Europe permitted millions of Muslim "guest workers" to stay. This decision dates back to the 60s, 70s. Further millions were allowed in later for no good reason.

    Does Opinionator know that once Muslims take over a piece of land it is then part of Dar al Salam and must remain so?

    Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal).

    No, Opinionator, pacificism won't help in the face of this military cult, built for one thing: expansion.

    “Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal).”

    Spain and Portugal are Magic Dirt.

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  287. Bill B. says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    I had to look up Ariana Grande; I'd never heard of her before.

    I had to look up Ariana Grande; I’d never heard of her before.

    Me too.

    What struck me after 20 seconds of film was how unutterably vapid a performer she is. But then that is par for the course, no?

    If she didn’t dress like a shrink-wrapped zucchini and sing endlessly about casual sex and freedom (I am extrapolating here a bit) she would have almost nothing.

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  288. Dissident says:
    @Brutusale
    You really need to calm down.

    I'm no hater of little girls, or of women for that matter, but I seriously question the judgment of a woman who takes a prepubescent child to a show where the singer brags of "riding a dick bicycle", which is self-explanatory, and having a "wrist icicle", which is youthful slang for the semen dripping of your wrist after giving a handjob.

    These poor little girls weren't sluts. Their mums who brought them to see this show, on the other hand...

    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by “Brutusale”, “reiner Tor”, “Hippopotamusdrome” and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW’s comment and defended it against Alden’s attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screechings, Alden harps on MW’s specific characterization of the “young women” at the concert being “dressed as sluts”. But whether or not that specific portion of MW’s comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    According to Reg Cæsar, the categories that Wikipedia places Ms. Grande into include, “LGBT rights activists” and “Sex-positive feminists”. I was going to ask Alden whether he (is it he?) considers someone with such credentials to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande’s primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden’s that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande’s songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable– from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?

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    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by "Brutusale", "reiner Tor", "Hippopotamusdrome" and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW's comment and defended it against Alden's attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screeches, Alden harps on MW's specific characterization of the "young women" at the concert being "dressed as sluts". But whether or not that specific portion of MW's comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    I was going to ask Alden whether he considers this individual who, according to Wikipedia is an "LGBT rights activist" and "Sex-positive feminist" to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande's primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden's that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande's songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable-- from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?
    , @Alden
    Never heard of Adrianna Grande until Monday night. I'm a White Nationalist, not some geriatric fuddy duddy more concerned with vulgar popular culture than the real problems faced by Whites.

    Those problems are affirmative action, non White immigration, the business community that brings in the non White immigrants and black and Hispanic crime in that order.

    Go on fussing about sleeveless tops and watch your grandchildren become untouchables banned from employment because they are White. You fuddy duddy National Review conservatives seem to watch an awful lot of gay and promiscuous TV shows for people who disapprove of those gay and sexual TV shows.

    And this obsession with the clothes of 11 year olds is indicative of perversion.
    , @Alden
    My interest is keeping the comments focused on the bombing, not justifying the bombing and deaths because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. Read the " girls deserved it because they are sluts" comments. They read like what the defense will use in the trials of the co conspirators. It will go something like this: the slutty dress of the victims was so offensive against Muslim modesty that the defendants had to kill them to force British women to dress according to strict Islamic standards.

    All I see when I read the fuddy duddy comments is that the girls deserved to die because of their clothes and because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. You all remind me of the German and Swedish feminazis who wear head scarves to show solidarity with Muslims immigrants.
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  289. Corvinus says:
    @reiner Tor
    The real victims are the millions of Muslims now living in fear of a backlash.

    We must not let hate triumph. As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that would be worse.

    If we start killing terrorists and expelling communities which breed terrorists, the terrorists would win. If they manage to reduce us to dhimmitude, we'll win.

    So in order to win, we need to lose.

    OT

    Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue.

    “Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue.”

    As long as Soros helps to make Trump and his family money, why would he care about Soros’ liberalism?

    Jared Kushner co-founded Cadre in 2014, which markets properties to prospective investors. The company turned to a Goldman Sachs fund and a number of high profile investors, including securing a half a billion line of credit from the family office of George Soros.

    I thought Soros is evil personified. But I guess borrowing from him makes only perfect business sense. Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?

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    Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?
     
    That could well be the case.
    , @Brutusale
    If Orban decided to dynamite Sauron U tomorrow, what could Trump do? Protest most vociferously?

    Viktor walks the walk. So far, Trump has been mincing.
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  290. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood.

    “The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood.”

    The only thing ticking is your lack of a recent post on your site. Dude, quit chasing ambulances and offer up your trenchant analysis on Orthodox Christianity and its future in the new America after it is broken up into several regions.

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  291. @Opinionator
    I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.


    Really? Why?

    Under Race, I put “American”.

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  292. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Jack D

    The #Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, was a Libyan refugee born in 1994 in the city.
     
    If he was born in Manchester then he wasn't a refugee. His PARENTS were refugees (not really because the father apparently went back and forth to Tripoli - so much for "fear of persecution"). But it seems like he didn't assimilate into British culture at all. That's the real problem. Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won't assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.

    His father sounds like a good bloke.

    Police yesterday recovered CCTV of Abedi striding into the Manchester Arena with what officers believe was a home-made bomb

    Amid a series of other revelations, it was claimed that his father – an airport security officer – had left the UK to fight in Libya.

    Today, he denied his son is linked to militants or the suicide bombing.

    Ramadan Abedi says he spoke to his 22-year-old son, Salman Abedi, five days ago and he was getting ready to visit Saudi Arabia and sounded “normal.”He said that his son visited Libya a month-and-a -half ago.The elder Abedi told The Associated Press by telephone from Tripoli: “We don’t believe in killing innocents. This is not us.”

    He said his other son, Ismail, was arrested in England on Tuesday morning. He said Salman was planning to head from Saudi Arabia to Libya to spend the holy month of Ramadan with family.
    Abedi fled Tripoli in 1993 after Moammar Gadhafi‘s security authorities issued an arrest warrant and eventually sought political asylum in Britain. Now, he is the administrative manager of the Central Security force in Tripoli.

    Sources also said the bomber’s mother had raised concerns about her son’s radical views before she herself left for Libya. –Daily Mail UK

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    The father's been arrested as well. Manchester police just announced they have evidence there is a sophisticated terrorist network in Manchester.
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  293. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast
    I can’t blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    The stupid thing the Front National did was to figure out how to make a vote for Marine Le Pen a vote for even greater insecurity, even though she was the law & order candidate. They did that by promising to take France out of the EU and the euro. They later softened those positions by promising consultations and referenda but the damage was done. It's hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country's entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.

    It’s hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country’s entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.

    Leaving the EU would do neither. Unless their consumption bundle was chock-a-bloc with imported merchandise, a devaluation derived from replacing the Euro would have only modest effects on their real income. (The ratio of imports to GDP is about 0.15). The EU’s external tariffs are small and other countries have vigorous trade with EU members without belonging to the EU (the United States, Canada, Israel, and Norway to name several).

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  294. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Corvinus
    "Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue."

    As long as Soros helps to make Trump and his family money, why would he care about Soros' liberalism?

    Jared Kushner co-founded Cadre in 2014, which markets properties to prospective investors. The company turned to a Goldman Sachs fund and a number of high profile investors, including securing a half a billion line of credit from the family office of George Soros.

    I thought Soros is evil personified. But I guess borrowing from him makes only perfect business sense. Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?

    Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?

    That could well be the case.

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  295. Art Deco says:
    @syonredux

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population,
     
    Large enough to cause trouble.....

    do not hail from populous source countries,
     
    Like Puerto Ricans......

    are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat,
     
    Certainly not racially kindred....

    and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively.
     
    Not if you live near them.....

    His predictions proved to be nonsense.
     
    That immigration by non-Europeans is a bad thing? Seems to me that he's vindicated every day....

    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb ‘refugees’. This was the nut of his complaint:

    I made some deprecatory reply to the effect that even this government wouldn’t last for ever; but he took no notice, and continued: “I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan’t be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas. In this country in 15 or 20 years’ time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.”

    I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation?

    No, Britain isn’t run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts. Other than the fact that they are ‘immigrants’, Caribbean blacks do not have much in particular in common with Pakistanis.

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    Actually, in later speeches, made in the 1970s, Powell did identify subcontinental Indians as the chief threat to the UK.
    'It is in the eyes of those who hail from Asia' said Powell 'will the native Englishman will have to fight for the possession of his ancestral land'.
    , @reiner Tor
    Enoch Powell was strongly opposed to immigration, because he understood it entails huge risks and enormous costs for very little (if any) benefits. That perhaps the most important negative effects came a little later than he predicted (perhaps for dramatic effect), and that the most problematic minority currently seems to be Muslims and not Caribbean blacks, is not a huge criticism.

    Your criticism of Enoch Powell is similar to leftist talking points about whether Salman Abedi* really was an immigrant or not.

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    *Google doesn't auto-fill it. Why? Normally it auto-fills any day-old news.
    , @syonredux

    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb ‘refugees’. This was the nut of his complaint:
     
    Dear fellow, I rather doubt that Mr Powell would have approved of hordes of Muslims invading the UK. Don't be autistic.....

    No, Britain isn’t run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts.
     
    No, it's just that the Black population in the UK are a tad dysfunctional....

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom


    As Mr Powell said, "The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. "

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  296. Art Deco says:
    @for-the-record
    That’s a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Yes, you're right it's from Alice in Wonderland, sorry no it's from Diana Darke, Syria (Bradt Travel Guide), 2010, p. 40:

    Contrary to its image, Syria is probably one of the safest countries in the world. Violent or petty crime towards foreigners is virtually non-existent, and at the time of writing no foreigner had ever been the target of violence. Such violence as does exist is usually in the context of a family feud where honour is implicated and retaliation is considered necessary to safeguard the family reputation. To steal something from a foreigner would be regarded as shameful and against the principle of hospitality to the guest. That said, there have been occasional cases of pickpocketing and passport theft in the Damascus and Aleppo souks, though visiting Russians renewing their Turkish visas are the prime suspects rather than local people.
     

    Now you’re changing the subject to street crime?

    Again, the country has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past and hasn’t had a passably functioning civil society since 1963. Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.

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    Now you’re changing the subject to street crime?
     
    For-the-record was quite reasonable here - if it had been a safe country for decades (to the point of not even having ordinary street crime), then there cannot have been much political violence at the same time either.

    has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past
     
    Three decades before the start of the present civil war. Which was still relatively minor until perhaps 2013.

    Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.
     
    That's a lie. Foreign powers helped organize the opposition into armed rebel groups, kept supplying them weapons and ammunition, until the whole of the country went up in flames. Syrians are perhaps really horrible people, but they were kept under a firm and strong hand until a combination of growing discontent (in part due to a bad harvest), some political errors by the government, and foreign interference made it possible for it to explode.
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  297. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Brutusale
    You really need to calm down.

    I'm no hater of little girls, or of women for that matter, but I seriously question the judgment of a woman who takes a prepubescent child to a show where the singer brags of "riding a dick bicycle", which is self-explanatory, and having a "wrist icicle", which is youthful slang for the semen dripping of your wrist after giving a handjob.

    These poor little girls weren't sluts. Their mums who brought them to see this show, on the other hand...

    John Derbyshire (pbuh) in 2002:

    Pop culture is filth. It is now completely degenerate. Why do you never hear anyone humming a current pop song any more? Because none of them is hummable, or even worth bothering to remember. What is the main topic on TV sitcoms and “dramedies”? You know what. Why do you stand in the aisle in Blockbuster muttering to yourself: “There isn’t a single damn movie in here I want to watch”? Because Hollywood produces nothing but crap, crap, crap.

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