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From Reuters:

Glass ceiling for dogs? Males win Westminster almost twice as often
Stephanie Kelly, FEBRUARY 9, 2018

NEW YORK (Reuters) – … Female dogs, known in pure-bred circles as “bitches,” have snared Best in Show at Westminster 39 times since the award was first given in 1907. Males, known simply as “dogs,” have been victorious 71 times, almost twice as often.

I would turn this around and say: That’s not really a huge difference.

To come up with a human analog for Best in Show, I might look at the annual polls of movie theater owners of top movie star box office draws. Males seem to be somewhat more over-represented among top movie stars (e.g., 9 of the top 10 all time for most years in the top 10, or in the last three years the polls were done, 2011-2013, 24 of the top 30) than male dogs among Best in Shows.

Most of the performance differences between the sexes among dogs are related directly to mating/pregnancy/nursing:

A dog’s peak age for competition is 3 to 5 years old, which also happens to be prime breeding age for females, said Kimberly Calvacca, a professional handler and breeder from Westbury, New York. …

“People don’t like to campaign females because they don’t like to jeopardize their breeding program,” said Calvacca. “Males can be used to stud anytime, and still show and breed at the same time.”

As a consequence, females are less likely to compete at Westminster, the second-oldest U.S. sporting event after the Kentucky Derby. Ahead of this year’s opening day on Monday, there were 1,220 female competitors and 1,699 male challengers enrolled in most categories, including vying to be named top dog on Tuesday at Madison Square Garden.

A female competitor’s “heat” cycle brings changes in temperament and hormones that can also hurt its chances of winning the world-renowned show for pure-bred canines.

Many handlers and owners will not show a female during its cycle, which comes about every six months, because “they’re moody,” said Wendy Kellerman, a handler and breeder from Hauppauge, New York.

Depending on the breed, a female dog in season will shed her coat, leaving her less impressive looking than male peers. Those kinds of changes can knock her out of competition for months. …

In the end, a male Best in Show winner can bring a bigger payoff than a female because a male can breed many times, and even have its sperm frozen, while females can produce only so many litters and puppies, said WKC’s Bisher.

“The males obviously have an easier go of it, whereas the girls having a litter is stressful for everybody,” she said.

I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans.

 
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  1. Well, there’s a difference. Call a human male a good dog, women are fine with it. Call a human female a good bitch, women, well, bitch.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Yes, but call feminists dogs and see what kind of bitching that gets you.
    , @Lot
    "Call a human female a good bitch, women, well, bitch."

    I think you just haven't met the right woman yet.
  2. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    “I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans.”

    I wonder what we might consider the norm among animals. Obviously there are some animals, like the praying mantis and queen-ruled insects, where sex difference are much greater than among humans. I think there are a few vertebrates that have such extreme differences. But I wonder if even in contemporary America, male-female differences among humans are actually, on average, greater than among other animals. I’d presume this is because underlying biological differences get exacerbated by culture, and sex-differentiating culture continues to exist even when it is opposed by other elements of culture.

    • Replies: @reactionry
    As the oft-quoted Roman playwright Terence* said, " "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum p[L]uto" - "I am human, and I think nothing human is alien to me" - though as Tiny Duck might have suggested, to some illegal aliens Gringos are "subhuman" - and I really wish that I didn't know about the Hyena's inhuman hypertrophy of the clitoris.

    https://jezebel.com/introducing-the-pseudopenis-or-why-female-hyenas-are-f-1714981846

    Come to think of it, it might have not been for the best that Steve Sailer came up (in reference to something like a million man "immigrant" march into Germany's scratchy, yet soft, bitch underbelly) with "[Angela] Merkel's Boner" which played way out there in Left Field with "[Fred] Merkle's [Baseball] Boner."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle%27s_Boner

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/merkels-boner-hitchcock-style/

    He also cited the Nabokov-Lolita-annotating Alfred Apfel's awesome anecdote about his fellow service man, "Stockade Clyde" Carr who after reading a few lines from what he hoped would be a delightfully "dirty book" (the recently published Lolita), said something which my Merkel-stricken brain now misremembers as, "It's God-damn [C]Litachure!"

    * Terence - See AE "Homo" Housman's retort to the playwright:
    Terence this is stupid stuff
    You eat your Alpo fast enough

    https://www.bartleby.com/123/62.html

    Also see the (John?)Shade of Nabokov (who, like his work, apparently hasn't aged very well) giving Harvey Weinstein-ish advice to a "Spacey" Alien "Kevin" that he should tell, say, a possibly effeminate fourteen year old (enough with the bitchy remarks and snarks for now) to,
    "Hitchcock to the stars, my starlet."

  3. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:

    Not really OT: So Tom Brokaw did some sh*tposting today and he’s getting a little pushback.

    He danced around the race issue on the whole south of the border coming north thing. Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies. And he said Hispanics need to assimilate more and so on.

    Bottom line is he stepped into the biodiversity octagon almost like he might be an occasional Steve sailer reader.

    Let’s talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Tom Brokaw called me "Mark Sailer" when asking John Kerry about my article comparing Kerry's and GWB's test scores in 2004.
    , @bomag

    Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies.
     
    In my circle there are plenty of grandparents with no grandchildren.

    This has some analogy with "heirloom consternation". Older generations carefully preserved furniture, wedding dresses, written documents, and genetic endowment; for use and passage to the next generation. Younger people are whelmed with material goods and the pace of modern life, and don't share the same dedication to preservation.

    , @Colin Wright
    'Let’s talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.'

    That kinda depends. I wouldn't be excessively thrilled about my daughter marrying a Hispanic, and an Asian would merely be...okay. Hell, her current long-term boyfriend is white, and I'm not too crazy about him. He's okay, I guess...

    But I really couldn't handle a black. Let's not go there.
    , @BB753
    Is Tom Brokaw senile?
    , @Lucas McCrudy
    I highly doubt Tom Brokaw is a Salier reader, occasional or otherwise.
    Remember how in December of 2015 when Trump first proposed a "Muslim ban" Brokaw came out of hibernation and did a special monologue for his old employer NBC News, decrying how horrible and wicked such a proposal would be.
    Another thing that stands out in my mind is when he was retiring a number of years back he talked about some of the major news events that occurred during his tenure.
    When the subject came to the LA riots he said "I could not believe this was happening again" -only a naïve fool would've said something like that.
    Brokaw's just another deluded boomer cuck from lily white North Dakota (I believe). Him and Dan Rather were hired because the networks knew they were both good little leftists who would happily toe the party line.
  4. @Redneck farmer
    Well, there's a difference. Call a human male a good dog, women are fine with it. Call a human female a good bitch, women, well, bitch.

    Yes, but call feminists dogs and see what kind of bitching that gets you.

    • Replies: @Jake
    I would not insult pure bred female dogs by calling feminists bitches.
  5. @Anonymous
    Not really OT: So Tom Brokaw did some sh*tposting today and he's getting a little pushback.

    He danced around the race issue on the whole south of the border coming north thing. Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies. And he said Hispanics need to assimilate more and so on.

    Bottom line is he stepped into the biodiversity octagon almost like he might be an occasional Steve sailer reader.

    Let's talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.

    Tom Brokaw called me “Mark Sailer” when asking John Kerry about my article comparing Kerry’s and GWB’s test scores in 2004.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    But the key takeaway is that he—or someone on his staff—reads iSteve.
    , @bjondo
    never watched TB.
    how much fake news, BS airings
    came from his decades of mouthings?

    also,

    never watched the other mouths.

    5ds

    , @Stan d Mute
    Not to draw a Ron Jeremy analogy, but you really should blow your own horn a bit more Steve. You’re a lot more widely read and influential than many of your readers here may know. If nothing else, it would help them understand your comment moderation policy/procedure. It may also encourage more forwarding/linking of your incisive posts (ie not your sportsball posts)..
    , @Kyle
    Plausible deniability.
  6. “People don’t like to campaign females because they don’t like to jeopardize their breeding program,”

    Is this person denying the existence of sexism and the glass ceiling?!

    Upon reading the post about James Watson, I wondered if many people are willing to accept the broader normal distribution of intelligence of males in relation to females. More male geniuses at the cost of more male imbeciles. Slightly more females of average intelligence than males. Is it permitted to admit to this, or is it the same as with race?

    If it’s permitted, then it’s a cudgel and if it’s forbidden, then it’s more evidence that science must be silenced when it’s inconvenient.

    “I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans.”

    The fatal-attacks-on-humans stats were posted here awhile back, and the vast majority of canine malefactors were not only male but unfixed.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    If it’s permitted, then it’s a cudgel and if it’s forbidden, then it’s more evidence that science must be silenced when it’s inconvenient.
     
    That’s crimethink as far as I can tell. Women are every bit as smart as any man and the existence of more male retards only proves women are even smarter than that.
    , @Endgame Napoleon
    If dogs and humans are not apples & oranges, then the b****-in-heat thing might explain the bad-quality service in many mom-dominated offices, including the long daily gaps in service between 2:30 pm and closing, along with the many week-long family-friendly gaps when offices are short-staffed, with one or two “non culture fits” trying to cover the work of 5 to 25 womb-producing b**** dogs, with no job longevity or higher pay attached to that effort to due to crony-parent managers.

    At the lower pay grades, show-dog performance and accolades are relative.

    But b****-dog absenteeism is tolerated due to spousal income, rent-covering child support checks or the free EBT food, subsidized rent, monthly cash assistance and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash that makes it possible (and even financially advantageous) for many childbearing-aged moms to work for less pay. Regardless of whether or not those b**** dogs are the ones meeting the quotas, they take the prize in the rigged system designed by fake feminists. Managers can always churn a revolving door of hard workers to keep their bonus numbers up.

    These are mostly average jobs with mostly average workers, but take into consideration that while average female IQ is higher, nature or God might have intended the modest average-IQ surplus of the b**** dogs to be devoted to quality childrearing, which is actually harder, requiring more refined emotional intelligence than most jobs.

    There are more male IQ outliers, sure, and it explains a lot in terms of the achievement gap at high, rarified levels—the only levels our political elites chat about.

    A few of the top b**** dogs can give those top dog dogs a run for their money without fake womb-productivity-based feminists rigging the game for them.

    In the average and lower realms where most mortals dwell, especially in past eras when common sense was in ample supply, crusty, hardworking, male breadwinners freely acknowledged that their stay-at-home mom wives were more refined and genteel than them due to one or two more IQ points.

    No public outcry, with Twitter martyrs, was needed to heal the psychological pain of old-school dog dogs with lower average IQs than their stay-at-home wives, making breadwinner wages that supported a whole household in middle-class style.

    , @AnotherDad

    Upon reading the post about James Watson, I wondered if many people are willing to accept the broader normal distribution of intelligence of males in relation to females. More male geniuses at the cost of more male imbeciles. Slightly more females of average intelligence than males. Is it permitted to admit to this, or is it the same as with race?
     
    Making this point with regard to science faculty ratios--not even bringing in the starting skew in male/female male ability--is precisely what got Larry Summers fired. (Well along apparently with Harvard paying for Summer's friend Andrei Shleifer's lawsuit damages from doing private Russia looting while in theory part of Harvard group giving Russia advice for the US government.)
    , @Anonymous

    Slightly more females of average intelligence than males.
     
    Why would there be more females of average intelligence?
  7. https://kingofthehill.fandom.com/wiki/Queasy_Rider

    Hank: “It just doesn’t work that way with biker couples. Lumpy and Pepperoni Sue have a great relationship, and she never rides up front. In fact, the spot behind the driver is called the…er…’bitch seat’.”

    Peggy: “What? So then that makes me a –”

    Hank: “No! It’s a motorcycle term, I don’t even think it’s spelled the same.”

    • LOL: Rosie
  8. @Steve Sailer
    Tom Brokaw called me "Mark Sailer" when asking John Kerry about my article comparing Kerry's and GWB's test scores in 2004.

    But the key takeaway is that he—or someone on his staff—reads iSteve.

    • Replies: @Lot
    That may have been in the syndicated UPI days.
  9. what are the results of dog racing. either track, or iditarod.

    if it’s anything like horse racing, the occasional female is in the race, but the males win 98% of the time.

    so it’s probably accurate that the gender difference is smaller for some mammals than it is for humans. but it’s still there.

  10. Steve, any thoughts on Howard Schultz?

  11. @Almost Missouri
    But the key takeaway is that he—or someone on his staff—reads iSteve.

    That may have been in the syndicated UPI days.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    True.
  12. You can’t tell male and female dogs apart without directly inspecting their genitals.

    • Agree: Kyle
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    You're right, I can't. Good point.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    And why would you want to do such a thing?
  13. @Redneck farmer
    Well, there's a difference. Call a human male a good dog, women are fine with it. Call a human female a good bitch, women, well, bitch.

    “Call a human female a good bitch, women, well, bitch.”

    I think you just haven’t met the right woman yet.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "I think you just haven’t met the right woman yet."

    She's on Farmers Only dot com. Those ladies instinctively grok the inherent double-meaning of "bitch".

    Though I'm sure Farmers Only has its share of suburban townies LARPing as farmgirls on the prowl for a pickup-driving, bronco-busting good ol' boy -- like every other online dating profile screeches: LOOKING FOR A REAL MAN!!!!! WHERE ALL THE REAL MEN AT!!!!
  14. Speak, Memory, Speak!
    (Good *Girl!*)
    Or: A Half-Breed Apart?

    If, like some Fido, memory faithfully serves, all of Timmy’s various and sundry “Rough Collie” “Lassies” were bitches on account of them being easier to train than their male counterparts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassie

    One should of course avoid anthropomorphizing animals and it’s reasonable to suspect that PETA (which some “wags” have termed “People Eating Tasty Animals”) might have called for whacking with rolled up newspapers the smirking faces of students daring to read Kipling had he written,
    “Though I’ve belted you and flayed you,
    By the livin’ Dawg that made you,
    You’re a better “man” than I am, Rin-Tin-Tin!”

    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46783/gunga-din

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rin_Tin_Tin
    Paul Newman seemed to be more of an “Hombre’ than, say, Nathan Philips in the film of the same name. He didn’t look the part of what I assumed was a half-breed (Not-So-Great-White Father and Apache Helicopter Mother?) when watching part of the flick years ago, but Googling suggests that he was just a white dude raised on a reservation. There’s a stagecoach scene in which he horrifies the wife (?) of a corrupt Indian agent when he says that they “ate dog.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hombre_(film)

    Not sure if the below would be – what’s the word? -“appropriate”? here.
    http://thegreatwesternmovies.com/2014/03/11/blue-eyed-apaches-whites-indian-roles/

    Also see Obama eats dog in Indonesia? South Asian cannibals, Gunga-“Din-Din”
    Rough Tough Collie Bitches

    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
    If, like some Fido, memory faithfully serves, all of Timmy’s various and sundry “Rough Collie” “Lassies” were bitches on account of them being easier to train than their male counterparts.

    You're completely wrong about movie Lassies being bitches. In the books and movies the Lassie character is a bitch but the movie role was always played by a male dog. Male collies look better on screen, being larger with a better looking coat, as well as being faster, better jumpers, braver and more intelligent/trainable.

    Some links:

    Pal, the original movie Lassie

    Lassie facts
  15. which also happens to be prime breeding age for females

    People don’t like to campaign females because they don’t like to jeopardize their breeding program

    Many handlers and owners will not show a female during its cycle, which comes about every six months

    Wonder whether this has any similarities as to why males dominate top executive positions. Like companies preferring and promoting
    – those who show up to work, work overtime, take fewer holidays or sick leaves, have charisma and confidence (cause you won’t get ahead just by putting extra long hours. And even feminist ‘studies’ admit men are usually more confident than woman). And don’t have cycles not every six months like dogs but every month with often emotional breakdowns.

  16. @Lot
    That may have been in the syndicated UPI days.

    True.

  17. The difference is Hollywood bitches seldom breed, but they do lose their sexual appeal before actors. Actresses typically peak in their late 20s early thirties, actors in their late 30s or early forties. Are we to assume that men age better? Life can be a bitch!

    • LOL: fish
  18. If I was a vet I would put a poster on the wall in the waiting room that said “bitches get stitches”.

  19. Males seem to be somewhat more over-represented among top movie stars…

    Blame women for that.

    The scandal is not that today’s actors make more than actresses. It’s that they make anything at all.

    (I originally wrote “earn”, but after a second’s thought, changed that to “make”.)

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Or "are paid"...
  20. @Anonymous
    "I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans."

    I wonder what we might consider the norm among animals. Obviously there are some animals, like the praying mantis and queen-ruled insects, where sex difference are much greater than among humans. I think there are a few vertebrates that have such extreme differences. But I wonder if even in contemporary America, male-female differences among humans are actually, on average, greater than among other animals. I'd presume this is because underlying biological differences get exacerbated by culture, and sex-differentiating culture continues to exist even when it is opposed by other elements of culture.

    As the oft-quoted Roman playwright Terence* said, ” “Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum p[L]uto” – “I am human, and I think nothing human is alien to me” – though as Tiny Duck might have suggested, to some illegal aliens Gringos are “subhuman” – and I really wish that I didn’t know about the Hyena’s inhuman hypertrophy of the clitoris.

    https://jezebel.com/introducing-the-pseudopenis-or-why-female-hyenas-are-f-1714981846

    Come to think of it, it might have not been for the best that Steve Sailer came up (in reference to something like a million man “immigrant” march into Germany’s scratchy, yet soft, bitch underbelly) with “[Angela] Merkel’s Boner” which played way out there in Left Field with “[Fred] Merkle’s [Baseball] Boner.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle%27s_Boner

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/merkels-boner-hitchcock-style/

    He also cited the Nabokov-Lolita-annotating Alfred Apfel’s awesome anecdote about his fellow service man, “Stockade Clyde” Carr who after reading a few lines from what he hoped would be a delightfully “dirty book” (the recently published Lolita), said something which my Merkel-stricken brain now misremembers as, “It’s God-damn [C]Litachure!”

    * Terence – See AE “Homo” Housman’s retort to the playwright:
    Terence this is stupid stuff
    You eat your Alpo fast enough

    https://www.bartleby.com/123/62.html

    Also see the (John?)Shade of Nabokov (who, like his work, apparently hasn’t aged very well) giving Harvey Weinstein-ish advice to a “Spacey” Alien “Kevin” that he should tell, say, a possibly effeminate fourteen year old (enough with the bitchy remarks and snarks for now) to,
    “Hitchcock to the stars, my starlet.”

  21. Where’s that stat showing that nearly all the fatal dog attacks (on humans) are by unneutered males?

  22. “I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans.”

    You are absolutely correct. Whether the matter is gun dogs or cow dogs or drug sniffing dogs, females can do the work equal to males almost all of the time – with no affirmative action so much as hinted at being needing.

    The key is breeding. A female from a good line beats a male from a definitely lesser line 999 of 1000 times.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jake, You are correct about working dogs, but this is about Show dogs. The judges look for how close a dog comes to the "Conformation", that is the ideal dog of that breed. Male dogs are bigger and more muscular. They look better. Bitches are usually about 3/4 the size of a male dog. And while we are at it ...do you know why male dogs lick their balls? Because they can.
  23. @The Alarmist
    Yes, but call feminists dogs and see what kind of bitching that gets you.

    I would not insult pure bred female dogs by calling feminists bitches.

  24. @Anonymous
    Not really OT: So Tom Brokaw did some sh*tposting today and he's getting a little pushback.

    He danced around the race issue on the whole south of the border coming north thing. Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies. And he said Hispanics need to assimilate more and so on.

    Bottom line is he stepped into the biodiversity octagon almost like he might be an occasional Steve sailer reader.

    Let's talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.

    Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies.

    In my circle there are plenty of grandparents with no grandchildren.

    This has some analogy with “heirloom consternation”. Older generations carefully preserved furniture, wedding dresses, written documents, and genetic endowment; for use and passage to the next generation. Younger people are whelmed with material goods and the pace of modern life, and don’t share the same dedication to preservation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous


    Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies.
     
    In my circle there are plenty of grandparents with no grandchildren.

    This has some analogy with “heirloom consternation”. Older generations carefully preserved furniture, wedding dresses, written documents, and genetic endowment; for use and passage to the next generation. Younger people are whelmed with material goods and the pace of modern life, and don’t share the same dedication to preservation.
     
    Just tragic.

    This is genocide.
    , @stillCARealist
    How does one become a grandparent with no grandchildren?

    I suppose you mean "old folks" with no grandchildren. I have a friend who has 8 children and only 1 grandchild. She's Navajo/white and married a Mexican immigrant. They just made babies without any plan or structure. But their kids all want both plans and structures, so they're postponing and staying single until it's just right. As bad as both models are, they're quite understandable.
  25. I wonder whether mauling stats skew by gender or not.

    But I think men are more reluctant to get a male dog fixed.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    I think men are more reluctant to get a male dog fixed.
     
    By “fixed” do you mean castrated? Rather telling choice of words there I’d say. And “male dog” is redundant..

    Funny innit how a bitch is “spayed” but a dog is “fixed.”
  26. @Anonymous
    You can't tell male and female dogs apart without directly inspecting their genitals.

    You’re right, I can’t. Good point.

  27. One thing that puzzles me is that among pack-living carnivores such as wolves and lions, the females are full participants in hunting (in fact doing most of it among lions), while in human hunter-gatherer societies past and present the men do almost all of the hunting.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Male lions can hunt. But their strategy is to rule over a harem of lionesses who take care of themselves. Similarly, in benign tropical areas where simply horticulture is sufficient for survival, women tend to do most of the work and men are layabouts who try to mate with a harem of women.
    , @Colin Wright
    'One thing that puzzles me is that among pack-living carnivores such as wolves and lions, the females are full participants in hunting (in fact doing most of it among lions), while in human hunter-gatherer societies past and present the men do almost all of the hunting.'

    One distinction here is that thanks to having to carry to term that monster head, female homo sapiens are seriously anatomically different -- handicapped, when it comes to running, jumping, etc. Notice how female gymnasts et al are finished once they fully mature -- while men continue to be viable competitors into their thirties? Those hips and breasts are not helpful, from an athletic perspective.

    Then too, women in the last third of their pregnancy would be totally useless as hunters, and after the baby is born, they physically have to carry it around for two years or so. Compare and contrast to Lassie. She's probably only noticeably dragging in the last few weeks of her pregnancy, and her puppies can keep up after about six months.

    In contrast, the details of pregnancy, childbirth, and rearing make female humans less than ideal as fellow hunters after about fifteen or so. So human nature, in its wisdom, has decreed...

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Cultural differences between cats and man?
  28. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies.
     
    In my circle there are plenty of grandparents with no grandchildren.

    This has some analogy with "heirloom consternation". Older generations carefully preserved furniture, wedding dresses, written documents, and genetic endowment; for use and passage to the next generation. Younger people are whelmed with material goods and the pace of modern life, and don't share the same dedication to preservation.

    Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies.

    In my circle there are plenty of grandparents with no grandchildren.

    This has some analogy with “heirloom consternation”. Older generations carefully preserved furniture, wedding dresses, written documents, and genetic endowment; for use and passage to the next generation. Younger people are whelmed with material goods and the pace of modern life, and don’t share the same dedication to preservation.

    Just tragic.

    This is genocide.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    My mother has sixteen grandchildren. So we’ll see how it goes.
  29. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    One thing that puzzles me is that among pack-living carnivores such as wolves and lions, the females are full participants in hunting (in fact doing most of it among lions), while in human hunter-gatherer societies past and present the men do almost all of the hunting.

    Male lions can hunt. But their strategy is to rule over a harem of lionesses who take care of themselves. Similarly, in benign tropical areas where simply horticulture is sufficient for survival, women tend to do most of the work and men are layabouts who try to mate with a harem of women.

  30. @Reg Cæsar

    Males seem to be somewhat more over-represented among top movie stars...
     
    Blame women for that.

    The scandal is not that today's actors make more than actresses. It's that they make anything at all.

    (I originally wrote "earn", but after a second's thought, changed that to "make".)

    Or “are paid”…

  31. @Steve Sailer
    Tom Brokaw called me "Mark Sailer" when asking John Kerry about my article comparing Kerry's and GWB's test scores in 2004.

    never watched TB.
    how much fake news, BS airings
    came from his decades of mouthings?

    also,

    never watched the other mouths.

    5ds

  32. Ahead of this year’s opening day on Monday, there were 1,220 female competitors and 1,699 male challengers enrolled in most categories, including vying to be named top dog on Tuesday at Madison Square Garden.

    Interesting word choice. Make of it what you will…

  33. @Steve Sailer
    Tom Brokaw called me "Mark Sailer" when asking John Kerry about my article comparing Kerry's and GWB's test scores in 2004.

    Not to draw a Ron Jeremy analogy, but you really should blow your own horn a bit more Steve. You’re a lot more widely read and influential than many of your readers here may know. If nothing else, it would help them understand your comment moderation policy/procedure. It may also encourage more forwarding/linking of your incisive posts (ie not your sportsball posts)..

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    You’re a lot more widely read and influential than many of your readers here may know.
     
    Not to diminish Steve, but how could you possibly know whether that's true?
  34. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris seems to be making headway with the American public:

    • LOL: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Meanwhile, Kamala Harris seems to be making headway with the American public:
     
    I think you may have meant "American pubic."
  35. @bomag

    Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies.
     
    In my circle there are plenty of grandparents with no grandchildren.

    This has some analogy with "heirloom consternation". Older generations carefully preserved furniture, wedding dresses, written documents, and genetic endowment; for use and passage to the next generation. Younger people are whelmed with material goods and the pace of modern life, and don't share the same dedication to preservation.

    How does one become a grandparent with no grandchildren?

    I suppose you mean “old folks” with no grandchildren. I have a friend who has 8 children and only 1 grandchild. She’s Navajo/white and married a Mexican immigrant. They just made babies without any plan or structure. But their kids all want both plans and structures, so they’re postponing and staying single until it’s just right. As bad as both models are, they’re quite understandable.

    • Replies: @bomag

    How does one become a grandparent with no grandchildren?
     
    !!!

    Yes; grandparent-aged who expected to have such as part of life.

    _________________________________

    As bad as both models are, they’re quite understandable.

     

    I suppose. But if demography is destiny, we should be able to organize the thing towards a more abiding path.
  36. @songbird
    I wonder whether mauling stats skew by gender or not.

    But I think men are more reluctant to get a male dog fixed.

    I think men are more reluctant to get a male dog fixed.

    By “fixed” do you mean castrated? Rather telling choice of words there I’d say. And “male dog” is redundant..

    Funny innit how a bitch is “spayed” but a dog is “fixed.”

    • Replies: @songbird
    Now that you mention it, it is an interesting euphamism. I believe it even creates a lot of confusion as to what is done.

    It wasn't until I was a nearly young man that I even (through observation) put two and two together, and, telling a friend, he did not readily believe me, but came up with this weird explanation about plumming.
  37. @Anonymous
    Not really OT: So Tom Brokaw did some sh*tposting today and he's getting a little pushback.

    He danced around the race issue on the whole south of the border coming north thing. Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies. And he said Hispanics need to assimilate more and so on.

    Bottom line is he stepped into the biodiversity octagon almost like he might be an occasional Steve sailer reader.

    Let's talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.

    ‘Let’s talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.’

    That kinda depends. I wouldn’t be excessively thrilled about my daughter marrying a Hispanic, and an Asian would merely be…okay. Hell, her current long-term boyfriend is white, and I’m not too crazy about him. He’s okay, I guess…

    But I really couldn’t handle a black. Let’s not go there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Hell, her current long-term boyfriend is white, and I’m not too crazy about him. He’s okay, I guess…
     
    You shouldn't let that go on too long without his committing to her in marriage. Otherwise, he's wasting her time and some of her best years in which to attract another white mate, if he eventually dumps her.
    , @BB753
    Remember, many Hispanics are mulatto or black. And mestizos (White/Indian) aren't usually the sharpest tools in the shed. As for Asians, some are fine as husbands, Koreans and Japanese for instance, others not so much.
  38. @Mr McKenna

    “People don’t like to campaign females because they don’t like to jeopardize their breeding program,”
     
    Is this person denying the existence of sexism and the glass ceiling?!

    Upon reading the post about James Watson, I wondered if many people are willing to accept the broader normal distribution of intelligence of males in relation to females. More male geniuses at the cost of more male imbeciles. Slightly more females of average intelligence than males. Is it permitted to admit to this, or is it the same as with race?

    If it's permitted, then it's a cudgel and if it's forbidden, then it's more evidence that science must be silenced when it's inconvenient.


    “I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans.”
     
    The fatal-attacks-on-humans stats were posted here awhile back, and the vast majority of canine malefactors were not only male but unfixed.

    If it’s permitted, then it’s a cudgel and if it’s forbidden, then it’s more evidence that science must be silenced when it’s inconvenient.

    That’s crimethink as far as I can tell. Women are every bit as smart as any man and the existence of more male retards only proves women are even smarter than that.

  39. @prosa123
    One thing that puzzles me is that among pack-living carnivores such as wolves and lions, the females are full participants in hunting (in fact doing most of it among lions), while in human hunter-gatherer societies past and present the men do almost all of the hunting.

    ‘One thing that puzzles me is that among pack-living carnivores such as wolves and lions, the females are full participants in hunting (in fact doing most of it among lions), while in human hunter-gatherer societies past and present the men do almost all of the hunting.’

    One distinction here is that thanks to having to carry to term that monster head, female homo sapiens are seriously anatomically different — handicapped, when it comes to running, jumping, etc. Notice how female gymnasts et al are finished once they fully mature — while men continue to be viable competitors into their thirties? Those hips and breasts are not helpful, from an athletic perspective.

    Then too, women in the last third of their pregnancy would be totally useless as hunters, and after the baby is born, they physically have to carry it around for two years or so. Compare and contrast to Lassie. She’s probably only noticeably dragging in the last few weeks of her pregnancy, and her puppies can keep up after about six months.

    In contrast, the details of pregnancy, childbirth, and rearing make female humans less than ideal as fellow hunters after about fifteen or so. So human nature, in its wisdom, has decreed…

    • Replies: @prosa123
    Then too, women in the last third of their pregnancy would be totally useless as hunters, and after the baby is born, they physically have to carry it around for two years or so. Compare and contrast to Lassie. She’s probably only noticeably dragging in the last few weeks of her pregnancy, and her puppies can keep up after about six months.

    True, but given a dog's much shorter lifespan as compared to a human's, that probably works out to an equivalent period of incapacitation.
    , @anonymous

    In contrast, the details of pregnancy, childbirth, and rearing make female humans less than ideal as fellow hunters after about fifteen or so. So human nature, in its wisdom, has decreed…

     

    Someone has to stay behind and make the sammiches.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Compare and contrast to Lassie.
     
    Lassie was transgender. Really. Look it up.

    She’s probably only noticeably dragging in the last few weeks of her pregnancy...
     
    How do elephants do in their second year of gravidity? Or orcas and sperm whales?
  40. @Stan d Mute
    Not to draw a Ron Jeremy analogy, but you really should blow your own horn a bit more Steve. You’re a lot more widely read and influential than many of your readers here may know. If nothing else, it would help them understand your comment moderation policy/procedure. It may also encourage more forwarding/linking of your incisive posts (ie not your sportsball posts)..

    You’re a lot more widely read and influential than many of your readers here may know.

    Not to diminish Steve, but how could you possibly know whether that’s true?

  41. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    'Let’s talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.'

    That kinda depends. I wouldn't be excessively thrilled about my daughter marrying a Hispanic, and an Asian would merely be...okay. Hell, her current long-term boyfriend is white, and I'm not too crazy about him. He's okay, I guess...

    But I really couldn't handle a black. Let's not go there.

    Hell, her current long-term boyfriend is white, and I’m not too crazy about him. He’s okay, I guess…

    You shouldn’t let that go on too long without his committing to her in marriage. Otherwise, he’s wasting her time and some of her best years in which to attract another white mate, if he eventually dumps her.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    You shouldn’t let that go on too long without his committing to her in marriage. Otherwise, he’s wasting her time and some of her best years in which to attract another white mate, if he eventually dumps her.
     
    Great comment Anon266.

    The #1 thing we owe our daughters is a reality check against the bullshit Hollyweird/media infect them with.

    The includes both what is important and will make them happy in life--children and family, not "career" or "oh my exciting interesting life"--and reasonable tips and guidelines to get there.

    One of those is that not only are men's criteria for marriage way different than their own, but their timelines are different as well. They should very much work to fufill what men want to see in a prospective wife/mother, but they should not cater to men's long timelines. If it's not a relationship leading to marriage ... cut it loose. And once 25, there is basically no room for nonsense. If the guy is not marriage material, not ready for committment or not committing in a reasonable interval--cut him loose. Women simply do not have years to waste.
  42. @Anonymous
    Not really OT: So Tom Brokaw did some sh*tposting today and he's getting a little pushback.

    He danced around the race issue on the whole south of the border coming north thing. Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies. And he said Hispanics need to assimilate more and so on.

    Bottom line is he stepped into the biodiversity octagon almost like he might be an occasional Steve sailer reader.

    Let's talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.

    Is Tom Brokaw senile?

  43. @Mr McKenna

    “People don’t like to campaign females because they don’t like to jeopardize their breeding program,”
     
    Is this person denying the existence of sexism and the glass ceiling?!

    Upon reading the post about James Watson, I wondered if many people are willing to accept the broader normal distribution of intelligence of males in relation to females. More male geniuses at the cost of more male imbeciles. Slightly more females of average intelligence than males. Is it permitted to admit to this, or is it the same as with race?

    If it's permitted, then it's a cudgel and if it's forbidden, then it's more evidence that science must be silenced when it's inconvenient.


    “I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans.”
     
    The fatal-attacks-on-humans stats were posted here awhile back, and the vast majority of canine malefactors were not only male but unfixed.

    If dogs and humans are not apples & oranges, then the b****-in-heat thing might explain the bad-quality service in many mom-dominated offices, including the long daily gaps in service between 2:30 pm and closing, along with the many week-long family-friendly gaps when offices are short-staffed, with one or two “non culture fits” trying to cover the work of 5 to 25 womb-producing b**** dogs, with no job longevity or higher pay attached to that effort to due to crony-parent managers.

    At the lower pay grades, show-dog performance and accolades are relative.

    But b****-dog absenteeism is tolerated due to spousal income, rent-covering child support checks or the free EBT food, subsidized rent, monthly cash assistance and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash that makes it possible (and even financially advantageous) for many childbearing-aged moms to work for less pay. Regardless of whether or not those b**** dogs are the ones meeting the quotas, they take the prize in the rigged system designed by fake feminists. Managers can always churn a revolving door of hard workers to keep their bonus numbers up.

    These are mostly average jobs with mostly average workers, but take into consideration that while average female IQ is higher, nature or God might have intended the modest average-IQ surplus of the b**** dogs to be devoted to quality childrearing, which is actually harder, requiring more refined emotional intelligence than most jobs.

    There are more male IQ outliers, sure, and it explains a lot in terms of the achievement gap at high, rarified levels—the only levels our political elites chat about.

    A few of the top b**** dogs can give those top dog dogs a run for their money without fake womb-productivity-based feminists rigging the game for them.

    In the average and lower realms where most mortals dwell, especially in past eras when common sense was in ample supply, crusty, hardworking, male breadwinners freely acknowledged that their stay-at-home mom wives were more refined and genteel than them due to one or two more IQ points.

    No public outcry, with Twitter martyrs, was needed to heal the psychological pain of old-school dog dogs with lower average IQs than their stay-at-home wives, making breadwinner wages that supported a whole household in middle-class style.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    A couple of comments from the old days.
    You may find them amusing.

    http://takimag.com/article/speaking_of_women_allan_massie/


    Bizarro World Observer

    • Our society has indeed moved on. And some women make good leaders. However, I think those are outliers: most women are completely unsuited to leadership of any kind.

    That's because:

    1) They take everything personally

    2) They play favorites based on their emotions

    3) Similarly, they take irrational dislikes to people, especially other women, based on their emotions, and refuse to deal with them rationally

    4) They're more concerned with how things make them--and others--feel than with actually achieving the goals with which they've been entrusted

    5) They tend to be control freaks when given power

    6) They tend to feel threatened by competent people

    Add to that the fact that women today have been trained to feel threatened by men who display any masculinity at all, and you have a real problem.

    --------------------------------

    • Women can only be truly interested in relationships between concrete individuals. They are congenitally bored by inanimate objects, abstract ideas and generalizations about large numbers of people. Outside of the interpersonal sphere, in which women are genuinely interested, they can only be an amplifying mechanism for men's ideas. They will unthinkingly repeat the ideas held by men they respect. If a woman is unattached or does not respect the man she's with, she will default to unthinkingly repeating the abstract and political ideas that are most popular with the dominant men in her culture. Today this is PC. If HBD ever becomes the dominant view among men, especially powerful ones, unattached and unhappily attached women will start unthinkingly attacking anyone who opposes HBD. If scientology ever becomes the dominant view among men, unattached and unhappily attached women will unthinkingly attack anyone who challenges scientology. The content of the ideas doesn't matter. Only their popularity among men does.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/patton-oswalt-political-correctness-is/#comment-524785

     

  44. @Mr McKenna

    “People don’t like to campaign females because they don’t like to jeopardize their breeding program,”
     
    Is this person denying the existence of sexism and the glass ceiling?!

    Upon reading the post about James Watson, I wondered if many people are willing to accept the broader normal distribution of intelligence of males in relation to females. More male geniuses at the cost of more male imbeciles. Slightly more females of average intelligence than males. Is it permitted to admit to this, or is it the same as with race?

    If it's permitted, then it's a cudgel and if it's forbidden, then it's more evidence that science must be silenced when it's inconvenient.


    “I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans.”
     
    The fatal-attacks-on-humans stats were posted here awhile back, and the vast majority of canine malefactors were not only male but unfixed.

    Upon reading the post about James Watson, I wondered if many people are willing to accept the broader normal distribution of intelligence of males in relation to females. More male geniuses at the cost of more male imbeciles. Slightly more females of average intelligence than males. Is it permitted to admit to this, or is it the same as with race?

    Making this point with regard to science faculty ratios–not even bringing in the starting skew in male/female male ability–is precisely what got Larry Summers fired. (Well along apparently with Harvard paying for Summer’s friend Andrei Shleifer’s lawsuit damages from doing private Russia looting while in theory part of Harvard group giving Russia advice for the US government.)

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    You know, for someone who made so much noise about how smart he was, Larry Summers wasn't very smart.
  45. To come up with a human analog for Best in Show, I might look at the annual polls of movie theater owners of top movie star box office draws.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    She's my little rock 'n' roll, oh
    My tits and ass with soul baby
    She's my little rock 'n' roll, yeah
    You got to shock them, show them
    She's my little rock 'n' roll, oh
    She got a feeling to know, baby
    She's my little rock 'n' roll, baby
    Ah, the little bitch got soul
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYhCqYSathk
    , @Reg Cæsar
    A recent clickbait slide I succumbed to mentioned another voiced-dog movie. There was a scene about scrotal inspection, apparently a common hurdle for show dogs, with some touching jokes.

    But it was yanked-- the scene, that is, not the scrotum-- because it was a family-friendly movie and the producers thought, or learned, that parents would be rather disturbed by the references to genital examination, no matter how innocent.
  46. @Colin Wright
    'Let’s talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.'

    That kinda depends. I wouldn't be excessively thrilled about my daughter marrying a Hispanic, and an Asian would merely be...okay. Hell, her current long-term boyfriend is white, and I'm not too crazy about him. He's okay, I guess...

    But I really couldn't handle a black. Let's not go there.

    Remember, many Hispanics are mulatto or black. And mestizos (White/Indian) aren’t usually the sharpest tools in the shed. As for Asians, some are fine as husbands, Koreans and Japanese for instance, others not so much.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...Remember, many Hispanics are mulatto or black...'

    Well, I usually think of Hispanics as the Indian/white variety. the Mulattoes I think of as...Mulattoes.

    As far as marriageability goes, they'd be black.

  47. @Mr McKenna

    “People don’t like to campaign females because they don’t like to jeopardize their breeding program,”
     
    Is this person denying the existence of sexism and the glass ceiling?!

    Upon reading the post about James Watson, I wondered if many people are willing to accept the broader normal distribution of intelligence of males in relation to females. More male geniuses at the cost of more male imbeciles. Slightly more females of average intelligence than males. Is it permitted to admit to this, or is it the same as with race?

    If it's permitted, then it's a cudgel and if it's forbidden, then it's more evidence that science must be silenced when it's inconvenient.


    “I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans.”
     
    The fatal-attacks-on-humans stats were posted here awhile back, and the vast majority of canine malefactors were not only male but unfixed.

    Slightly more females of average intelligence than males.

    Why would there be more females of average intelligence?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Why would there be more females of average intelligence?
     
    Narrower distribution--thinner tails, higher central peak.
  48. @prosa123
    One thing that puzzles me is that among pack-living carnivores such as wolves and lions, the females are full participants in hunting (in fact doing most of it among lions), while in human hunter-gatherer societies past and present the men do almost all of the hunting.

    Cultural differences between cats and man?

  49. “Glass ceiling for dogs?”

    Bitches can’t stop bitching.

    But shouldn’t that be “Glass ceiling for bitches?”

    I guess that headline would have hit a little close to home.

  50. @Stan d Mute

    I think men are more reluctant to get a male dog fixed.
     
    By “fixed” do you mean castrated? Rather telling choice of words there I’d say. And “male dog” is redundant..

    Funny innit how a bitch is “spayed” but a dog is “fixed.”

    Now that you mention it, it is an interesting euphamism. I believe it even creates a lot of confusion as to what is done.

    It wasn’t until I was a nearly young man that I even (through observation) put two and two together, and, telling a friend, he did not readily believe me, but came up with this weird explanation about plumming.

  51. @Peripatetic Commenter
    Meanwhile, Kamala Harris seems to be making headway with the American public:

    https://gab.com/media/image/bq-5c4f3632cf20e.jpeg

    Meanwhile, Kamala Harris seems to be making headway with the American public:

    I think you may have meant “American pubic.”

  52. @Lot
    "Call a human female a good bitch, women, well, bitch."

    I think you just haven't met the right woman yet.

    “I think you just haven’t met the right woman yet.”

    She’s on Farmers Only dot com. Those ladies instinctively grok the inherent double-meaning of “bitch”.

    Though I’m sure Farmers Only has its share of suburban townies LARPing as farmgirls on the prowl for a pickup-driving, bronco-busting good ol’ boy — like every other online dating profile screeches: LOOKING FOR A REAL MAN!!!!! WHERE ALL THE REAL MEN AT!!!!

    • Replies: @L Woods
    You forgot to mention that she's 80 lbs overweight.
  53. @Steve Sailer
    Tom Brokaw called me "Mark Sailer" when asking John Kerry about my article comparing Kerry's and GWB's test scores in 2004.

    Plausible deniability.

  54. The vocabulary is sexual dimorphism. I’m not a biologist but I think that sexual dimorphism among humans is high compared to other mammals.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    The vocabulary is sexual dimorphism. I’m not a biologist but I think that sexual dimorphism among humans is high compared to other mammals.
     
    High compared to lots of other mammals, but moderate for primates. It's actually much higher for say gorillas, orangutans where the dude is much bigger.

    Personally i like our dimorphism level. Gals are small enough to pick up--or at least they used to be--but not so small that there isn't enough of them to enjoy. Great playmates and companions. Our dimorphism is ... fun!
  55. Reuters and The Economist, and Twitter? Didn’t the New York Times make it to the Sailers’ doorstep today?

    I got an offer from them in the e-mail today: “Help our reporters make an impact at this special rate.”

    Note that it says “make an impact”. Not “make a living”.

    Carlos proves that Jews aren’t the only cheapskate Levantines.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Just came across bad writing in the NYT from ten years ago:

    Stewart Rawlings Mott was born on Dec. 4, 1937, in Flint, Michigan He was the son of Charles Stewart Mott and the former Ruth Rawlings, Mott's fourth wife. They also had two daughters.

    Mott and his first wife, the former Ethel Culbert Harding, had a son and two daughters. She died in 1924. Mott's middle two marriages yielded no children.


     

    His first wife died thirteen years before he was born? Quite a trick if you ask me!
  56. @Anonymous


    Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies.
     
    In my circle there are plenty of grandparents with no grandchildren.

    This has some analogy with “heirloom consternation”. Older generations carefully preserved furniture, wedding dresses, written documents, and genetic endowment; for use and passage to the next generation. Younger people are whelmed with material goods and the pace of modern life, and don’t share the same dedication to preservation.
     
    Just tragic.

    This is genocide.

    My mother has sixteen grandchildren. So we’ll see how it goes.

  57. @Reg Cæsar
    Reuters and The Economist, and Twitter? Didn't the New York Times make it to the Sailers' doorstep today?

    I got an offer from them in the e-mail today: "Help our reporters make an impact at this special rate."


    Note that it says "make an impact". Not "make a living".

    Carlos proves that Jews aren't the only cheapskate Levantines.

    Just came across bad writing in the NYT from ten years ago:

    Stewart Rawlings Mott was born on Dec. 4, 1937, in Flint, Michigan He was the son of Charles Stewart Mott and the former Ruth Rawlings, Mott’s fourth wife. They also had two daughters.

    Mott and his first wife, the former Ethel Culbert Harding, had a son and two daughters. She died in 1924. Mott’s middle two marriages yielded no children.

    His first wife died thirteen years before he was born? Quite a trick if you ask me!

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    That reminds me of the vaudeville exchange.

    Bob: What's new buddy?
    Ray: I just lost my wife, brother.
    Bob: Oh, Ray. I'm sorry. It must be hard to lose your wife.
    Ray: It's dang near impossible.
    , @Stan d Mute

    His first wife died thirteen years before he was born? Quite a trick if you ask me!
     
    Well, the Motts were an unusual clan. There was a really strange and long unsolved murder on their estate:

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.true-crime/VHUzCX2Q1SI
  58. @Jake
    "I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans."

    You are absolutely correct. Whether the matter is gun dogs or cow dogs or drug sniffing dogs, females can do the work equal to males almost all of the time - with no affirmative action so much as hinted at being needing.

    The key is breeding. A female from a good line beats a male from a definitely lesser line 999 of 1000 times.

    Jake, You are correct about working dogs, but this is about Show dogs. The judges look for how close a dog comes to the “Conformation”, that is the ideal dog of that breed. Male dogs are bigger and more muscular. They look better. Bitches are usually about 3/4 the size of a male dog. And while we are at it …do you know why male dogs lick their balls? Because they can.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    And they enjoy it.
  59. @Colin Wright
    'One thing that puzzles me is that among pack-living carnivores such as wolves and lions, the females are full participants in hunting (in fact doing most of it among lions), while in human hunter-gatherer societies past and present the men do almost all of the hunting.'

    One distinction here is that thanks to having to carry to term that monster head, female homo sapiens are seriously anatomically different -- handicapped, when it comes to running, jumping, etc. Notice how female gymnasts et al are finished once they fully mature -- while men continue to be viable competitors into their thirties? Those hips and breasts are not helpful, from an athletic perspective.

    Then too, women in the last third of their pregnancy would be totally useless as hunters, and after the baby is born, they physically have to carry it around for two years or so. Compare and contrast to Lassie. She's probably only noticeably dragging in the last few weeks of her pregnancy, and her puppies can keep up after about six months.

    In contrast, the details of pregnancy, childbirth, and rearing make female humans less than ideal as fellow hunters after about fifteen or so. So human nature, in its wisdom, has decreed...

    Then too, women in the last third of their pregnancy would be totally useless as hunters, and after the baby is born, they physically have to carry it around for two years or so. Compare and contrast to Lassie. She’s probably only noticeably dragging in the last few weeks of her pregnancy, and her puppies can keep up after about six months.

    True, but given a dog’s much shorter lifespan as compared to a human’s, that probably works out to an equivalent period of incapacitation.

  60. Here’s a datapoint that tells us something about male vs female personality. There are 332 male pit bull terriers available for adoption within a 100 mile radius of me, and 350 females. According to petfinder.com.

  61. @Colin Wright
    'One thing that puzzles me is that among pack-living carnivores such as wolves and lions, the females are full participants in hunting (in fact doing most of it among lions), while in human hunter-gatherer societies past and present the men do almost all of the hunting.'

    One distinction here is that thanks to having to carry to term that monster head, female homo sapiens are seriously anatomically different -- handicapped, when it comes to running, jumping, etc. Notice how female gymnasts et al are finished once they fully mature -- while men continue to be viable competitors into their thirties? Those hips and breasts are not helpful, from an athletic perspective.

    Then too, women in the last third of their pregnancy would be totally useless as hunters, and after the baby is born, they physically have to carry it around for two years or so. Compare and contrast to Lassie. She's probably only noticeably dragging in the last few weeks of her pregnancy, and her puppies can keep up after about six months.

    In contrast, the details of pregnancy, childbirth, and rearing make female humans less than ideal as fellow hunters after about fifteen or so. So human nature, in its wisdom, has decreed...

    In contrast, the details of pregnancy, childbirth, and rearing make female humans less than ideal as fellow hunters after about fifteen or so. So human nature, in its wisdom, has decreed…

    Someone has to stay behind and make the sammiches.

  62. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    To come up with a human analog for Best in Show, I might look at the annual polls of movie theater owners of top movie star box office draws.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/1bKlO.jpg

    She’s my little rock ‘n’ roll, oh
    My tits and ass with soul baby
    She’s my little rock ‘n’ roll, yeah
    You got to shock them, show them
    She’s my little rock ‘n’ roll, oh
    She got a feeling to know, baby
    She’s my little rock ‘n’ roll, baby
    Ah, the little bitch got soul

  63. @Colin Wright
    'One thing that puzzles me is that among pack-living carnivores such as wolves and lions, the females are full participants in hunting (in fact doing most of it among lions), while in human hunter-gatherer societies past and present the men do almost all of the hunting.'

    One distinction here is that thanks to having to carry to term that monster head, female homo sapiens are seriously anatomically different -- handicapped, when it comes to running, jumping, etc. Notice how female gymnasts et al are finished once they fully mature -- while men continue to be viable competitors into their thirties? Those hips and breasts are not helpful, from an athletic perspective.

    Then too, women in the last third of their pregnancy would be totally useless as hunters, and after the baby is born, they physically have to carry it around for two years or so. Compare and contrast to Lassie. She's probably only noticeably dragging in the last few weeks of her pregnancy, and her puppies can keep up after about six months.

    In contrast, the details of pregnancy, childbirth, and rearing make female humans less than ideal as fellow hunters after about fifteen or so. So human nature, in its wisdom, has decreed...

    Compare and contrast to Lassie.

    Lassie was transgender. Really. Look it up.

    She’s probably only noticeably dragging in the last few weeks of her pregnancy…

    How do elephants do in their second year of gravidity? Or orcas and sperm whales?

  64. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    To come up with a human analog for Best in Show, I might look at the annual polls of movie theater owners of top movie star box office draws.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/1bKlO.jpg

    A recent clickbait slide I succumbed to mentioned another voiced-dog movie. There was a scene about scrotal inspection, apparently a common hurdle for show dogs, with some touching jokes.

    But it was yanked– the scene, that is, not the scrotum– because it was a family-friendly movie and the producers thought, or learned, that parents would be rather disturbed by the references to genital examination, no matter how innocent.

  65. @Anonymous
    Not really OT: So Tom Brokaw did some sh*tposting today and he's getting a little pushback.

    He danced around the race issue on the whole south of the border coming north thing. Talking about how some folks are not sure if they want to have brown grandbabies. And he said Hispanics need to assimilate more and so on.

    Bottom line is he stepped into the biodiversity octagon almost like he might be an occasional Steve sailer reader.

    Let's talk more about white folks not so thrilled about brown grandbabies, shall we? It seems like an important conversation.

    I highly doubt Tom Brokaw is a Salier reader, occasional or otherwise.
    Remember how in December of 2015 when Trump first proposed a “Muslim ban” Brokaw came out of hibernation and did a special monologue for his old employer NBC News, decrying how horrible and wicked such a proposal would be.
    Another thing that stands out in my mind is when he was retiring a number of years back he talked about some of the major news events that occurred during his tenure.
    When the subject came to the LA riots he said “I could not believe this was happening again” -only a naïve fool would’ve said something like that.
    Brokaw’s just another deluded boomer cuck from lily white North Dakota (I believe). Him and Dan Rather were hired because the networks knew they were both good little leftists who would happily toe the party line.

  66. “…I don’t know that much about dogs, but sex differences among dogs seem less significant than among humans.”

    I’ve read a little about the protective inclinations of German Shepherds.

    They are very protective dogs, but the bitches are focused on protecting the den (your house and yard) and its inhabitants (your family), while the dogs tend to try to dominate the neighborhood. There is a sex-linked difference in orientation, a division of labor.

  67. @Reg Cæsar
    Just came across bad writing in the NYT from ten years ago:

    Stewart Rawlings Mott was born on Dec. 4, 1937, in Flint, Michigan He was the son of Charles Stewart Mott and the former Ruth Rawlings, Mott's fourth wife. They also had two daughters.

    Mott and his first wife, the former Ethel Culbert Harding, had a son and two daughters. She died in 1924. Mott's middle two marriages yielded no children.


     

    His first wife died thirteen years before he was born? Quite a trick if you ask me!

    That reminds me of the vaudeville exchange.

    Bob: What’s new buddy?
    Ray: I just lost my wife, brother.
    Bob: Oh, Ray. I’m sorry. It must be hard to lose your wife.
    Ray: It’s dang near impossible.

  68. @stillCARealist
    How does one become a grandparent with no grandchildren?

    I suppose you mean "old folks" with no grandchildren. I have a friend who has 8 children and only 1 grandchild. She's Navajo/white and married a Mexican immigrant. They just made babies without any plan or structure. But their kids all want both plans and structures, so they're postponing and staying single until it's just right. As bad as both models are, they're quite understandable.

    How does one become a grandparent with no grandchildren?

    !!!

    Yes; grandparent-aged who expected to have such as part of life.

    _________________________________

    As bad as both models are, they’re quite understandable.

    I suppose. But if demography is destiny, we should be able to organize the thing towards a more abiding path.

  69. @BB753
    Remember, many Hispanics are mulatto or black. And mestizos (White/Indian) aren't usually the sharpest tools in the shed. As for Asians, some are fine as husbands, Koreans and Japanese for instance, others not so much.

    ‘…Remember, many Hispanics are mulatto or black…’

    Well, I usually think of Hispanics as the Indian/white variety. the Mulattoes I think of as…Mulattoes.

    As far as marriageability goes, they’d be black.

  70. @Buffalo Joe
    Jake, You are correct about working dogs, but this is about Show dogs. The judges look for how close a dog comes to the "Conformation", that is the ideal dog of that breed. Male dogs are bigger and more muscular. They look better. Bitches are usually about 3/4 the size of a male dog. And while we are at it ...do you know why male dogs lick their balls? Because they can.

    And they enjoy it.

  71. @AnotherDad

    Upon reading the post about James Watson, I wondered if many people are willing to accept the broader normal distribution of intelligence of males in relation to females. More male geniuses at the cost of more male imbeciles. Slightly more females of average intelligence than males. Is it permitted to admit to this, or is it the same as with race?
     
    Making this point with regard to science faculty ratios--not even bringing in the starting skew in male/female male ability--is precisely what got Larry Summers fired. (Well along apparently with Harvard paying for Summer's friend Andrei Shleifer's lawsuit damages from doing private Russia looting while in theory part of Harvard group giving Russia advice for the US government.)

    You know, for someone who made so much noise about how smart he was, Larry Summers wasn’t very smart.

  72. @Endgame Napoleon
    If dogs and humans are not apples & oranges, then the b****-in-heat thing might explain the bad-quality service in many mom-dominated offices, including the long daily gaps in service between 2:30 pm and closing, along with the many week-long family-friendly gaps when offices are short-staffed, with one or two “non culture fits” trying to cover the work of 5 to 25 womb-producing b**** dogs, with no job longevity or higher pay attached to that effort to due to crony-parent managers.

    At the lower pay grades, show-dog performance and accolades are relative.

    But b****-dog absenteeism is tolerated due to spousal income, rent-covering child support checks or the free EBT food, subsidized rent, monthly cash assistance and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash that makes it possible (and even financially advantageous) for many childbearing-aged moms to work for less pay. Regardless of whether or not those b**** dogs are the ones meeting the quotas, they take the prize in the rigged system designed by fake feminists. Managers can always churn a revolving door of hard workers to keep their bonus numbers up.

    These are mostly average jobs with mostly average workers, but take into consideration that while average female IQ is higher, nature or God might have intended the modest average-IQ surplus of the b**** dogs to be devoted to quality childrearing, which is actually harder, requiring more refined emotional intelligence than most jobs.

    There are more male IQ outliers, sure, and it explains a lot in terms of the achievement gap at high, rarified levels—the only levels our political elites chat about.

    A few of the top b**** dogs can give those top dog dogs a run for their money without fake womb-productivity-based feminists rigging the game for them.

    In the average and lower realms where most mortals dwell, especially in past eras when common sense was in ample supply, crusty, hardworking, male breadwinners freely acknowledged that their stay-at-home mom wives were more refined and genteel than them due to one or two more IQ points.

    No public outcry, with Twitter martyrs, was needed to heal the psychological pain of old-school dog dogs with lower average IQs than their stay-at-home wives, making breadwinner wages that supported a whole household in middle-class style.

    A couple of comments from the old days.
    You may find them amusing.

    http://takimag.com/article/speaking_of_women_allan_massie/

    Bizarro World Observer

    • Our society has indeed moved on. And some women make good leaders. However, I think those are outliers: most women are completely unsuited to leadership of any kind.

    That’s because:

    1) They take everything personally

    2) They play favorites based on their emotions

    3) Similarly, they take irrational dislikes to people, especially other women, based on their emotions, and refuse to deal with them rationally

    4) They’re more concerned with how things make them–and others–feel than with actually achieving the goals with which they’ve been entrusted

    5) They tend to be control freaks when given power

    6) They tend to feel threatened by competent people

    Add to that the fact that women today have been trained to feel threatened by men who display any masculinity at all, and you have a real problem.

    ——————————–

    • Women can only be truly interested in relationships between concrete individuals. They are congenitally bored by inanimate objects, abstract ideas and generalizations about large numbers of people. Outside of the interpersonal sphere, in which women are genuinely interested, they can only be an amplifying mechanism for men’s ideas. They will unthinkingly repeat the ideas held by men they respect. If a woman is unattached or does not respect the man she’s with, she will default to unthinkingly repeating the abstract and political ideas that are most popular with the dominant men in her culture. Today this is PC. If HBD ever becomes the dominant view among men, especially powerful ones, unattached and unhappily attached women will start unthinkingly attacking anyone who opposes HBD. If scientology ever becomes the dominant view among men, unattached and unhappily attached women will unthinkingly attack anyone who challenges scientology. The content of the ideas doesn’t matter. Only their popularity among men does.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/patton-oswalt-political-correctness-is/#comment-524785

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    If a woman is unattached or does not respect the man she’s with, she will default to unthinkingly repeating the abstract and political ideas that are most popular with the dominant men in her culture.
     
    Are many men not like this, too? They default to repeating--and even believing--the dominant ideas and not the ideas that get one in trouble for speaking out loud.
  73. I’ve heard SJW talk of eliminating the problematic “bitch” designation for female dogs.
    Perhaps “front hole fluffers” might be an acceptable replacement.

    • LOL: Dtbb
  74. The differences between human males and females are many, but human females are pretty formidable creatures nonetheless. More formidable than males in some respects. We used to be able to say, “Vive le difference”, but these days that will result in a guy being unpersoned.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Sadly, women are becoming less formidable with each generation, turning into mediocre and deranged versions of men.
  75. @MBlanc46
    The differences between human males and females are many, but human females are pretty formidable creatures nonetheless. More formidable than males in some respects. We used to be able to say, “Vive le difference”, but these days that will result in a guy being unpersoned.

    Sadly, women are becoming less formidable with each generation, turning into mediocre and deranged versions of men.

  76. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna
    A couple of comments from the old days.
    You may find them amusing.

    http://takimag.com/article/speaking_of_women_allan_massie/


    Bizarro World Observer

    • Our society has indeed moved on. And some women make good leaders. However, I think those are outliers: most women are completely unsuited to leadership of any kind.

    That's because:

    1) They take everything personally

    2) They play favorites based on their emotions

    3) Similarly, they take irrational dislikes to people, especially other women, based on their emotions, and refuse to deal with them rationally

    4) They're more concerned with how things make them--and others--feel than with actually achieving the goals with which they've been entrusted

    5) They tend to be control freaks when given power

    6) They tend to feel threatened by competent people

    Add to that the fact that women today have been trained to feel threatened by men who display any masculinity at all, and you have a real problem.

    --------------------------------

    • Women can only be truly interested in relationships between concrete individuals. They are congenitally bored by inanimate objects, abstract ideas and generalizations about large numbers of people. Outside of the interpersonal sphere, in which women are genuinely interested, they can only be an amplifying mechanism for men's ideas. They will unthinkingly repeat the ideas held by men they respect. If a woman is unattached or does not respect the man she's with, she will default to unthinkingly repeating the abstract and political ideas that are most popular with the dominant men in her culture. Today this is PC. If HBD ever becomes the dominant view among men, especially powerful ones, unattached and unhappily attached women will start unthinkingly attacking anyone who opposes HBD. If scientology ever becomes the dominant view among men, unattached and unhappily attached women will unthinkingly attack anyone who challenges scientology. The content of the ideas doesn't matter. Only their popularity among men does.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/patton-oswalt-political-correctness-is/#comment-524785

     

    If a woman is unattached or does not respect the man she’s with, she will default to unthinkingly repeating the abstract and political ideas that are most popular with the dominant men in her culture.

    Are many men not like this, too? They default to repeating–and even believing–the dominant ideas and not the ideas that get one in trouble for speaking out loud.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  77. Many handlers and owners will not show a female during its cycle…… because “they’re moody

    I’m the same with the wife.

  78. @Reg Cæsar
    Just came across bad writing in the NYT from ten years ago:

    Stewart Rawlings Mott was born on Dec. 4, 1937, in Flint, Michigan He was the son of Charles Stewart Mott and the former Ruth Rawlings, Mott's fourth wife. They also had two daughters.

    Mott and his first wife, the former Ethel Culbert Harding, had a son and two daughters. She died in 1924. Mott's middle two marriages yielded no children.


     

    His first wife died thirteen years before he was born? Quite a trick if you ask me!

    His first wife died thirteen years before he was born? Quite a trick if you ask me!

    Well, the Motts were an unusual clan. There was a really strange and long unsolved murder on their estate:

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.true-crime/VHUzCX2Q1SI

  79. @Anonymous

    Hell, her current long-term boyfriend is white, and I’m not too crazy about him. He’s okay, I guess…
     
    You shouldn't let that go on too long without his committing to her in marriage. Otherwise, he's wasting her time and some of her best years in which to attract another white mate, if he eventually dumps her.

    You shouldn’t let that go on too long without his committing to her in marriage. Otherwise, he’s wasting her time and some of her best years in which to attract another white mate, if he eventually dumps her.

    Great comment Anon266.

    The #1 thing we owe our daughters is a reality check against the bullshit Hollyweird/media infect them with.

    The includes both what is important and will make them happy in life–children and family, not “career” or “oh my exciting interesting life”–and reasonable tips and guidelines to get there.

    One of those is that not only are men’s criteria for marriage way different than their own, but their timelines are different as well. They should very much work to fufill what men want to see in a prospective wife/mother, but they should not cater to men’s long timelines. If it’s not a relationship leading to marriage … cut it loose. And once 25, there is basically no room for nonsense. If the guy is not marriage material, not ready for committment or not committing in a reasonable interval–cut him loose. Women simply do not have years to waste.

  80. @Anonymous

    Slightly more females of average intelligence than males.
     
    Why would there be more females of average intelligence?

    Why would there be more females of average intelligence?

    Narrower distribution–thinner tails, higher central peak.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Narrower distribution–thinner tails, higher central peak.
     
    Isn't that rather an explanation for more geniuses, more dummies? How does it explain the average being different?
    , @Dtbb

    Narrower distribution thinner tails, higher central peak

     

    What breed of dog is this?
  81. @AnotherDad

    Why would there be more females of average intelligence?
     
    Narrower distribution--thinner tails, higher central peak.

    Narrower distribution–thinner tails, higher central peak.

    Isn’t that rather an explanation for more geniuses, more dummies? How does it explain the average being different?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Isn’t that rather an explanation for more geniuses, more dummies?
     
    I see you've read Geniuses for Dummies.
  82. @Kyle
    The vocabulary is sexual dimorphism. I’m not a biologist but I think that sexual dimorphism among humans is high compared to other mammals.

    The vocabulary is sexual dimorphism. I’m not a biologist but I think that sexual dimorphism among humans is high compared to other mammals.

    High compared to lots of other mammals, but moderate for primates. It’s actually much higher for say gorillas, orangutans where the dude is much bigger.

    Personally i like our dimorphism level. Gals are small enough to pick up–or at least they used to be–but not so small that there isn’t enough of them to enjoy. Great playmates and companions. Our dimorphism is … fun!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Our dimorphism is … fun!
     
    Vive le dimorphisme!

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/5b/fa/255bfa1adaf7b10e27e9063eec47284f.jpg
  83. @Anonymous
    You can't tell male and female dogs apart without directly inspecting their genitals.

    And why would you want to do such a thing?

  84. @Anonymous

    Narrower distribution–thinner tails, higher central peak.
     
    Isn't that rather an explanation for more geniuses, more dummies? How does it explain the average being different?

    Isn’t that rather an explanation for more geniuses, more dummies?

    I see you’ve read Geniuses for Dummies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No.
  85. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "I think you just haven’t met the right woman yet."

    She's on Farmers Only dot com. Those ladies instinctively grok the inherent double-meaning of "bitch".

    Though I'm sure Farmers Only has its share of suburban townies LARPing as farmgirls on the prowl for a pickup-driving, bronco-busting good ol' boy -- like every other online dating profile screeches: LOOKING FOR A REAL MAN!!!!! WHERE ALL THE REAL MEN AT!!!!

    You forgot to mention that she’s 80 lbs overweight.

  86. @AnotherDad

    The vocabulary is sexual dimorphism. I’m not a biologist but I think that sexual dimorphism among humans is high compared to other mammals.
     
    High compared to lots of other mammals, but moderate for primates. It's actually much higher for say gorillas, orangutans where the dude is much bigger.

    Personally i like our dimorphism level. Gals are small enough to pick up--or at least they used to be--but not so small that there isn't enough of them to enjoy. Great playmates and companions. Our dimorphism is ... fun!

    Our dimorphism is … fun!

    Vive le dimorphisme!

  87. @AnotherDad

    Why would there be more females of average intelligence?
     
    Narrower distribution--thinner tails, higher central peak.

    Narrower distribution thinner tails, higher central peak

    What breed of dog is this?

  88. @Reg Cæsar

    Isn’t that rather an explanation for more geniuses, more dummies?
     
    I see you've read Geniuses for Dummies.

    No.

  89. @reactionry
    Speak, Memory, Speak!
    (Good *Girl!*)
    Or: A Half-Breed Apart?

    If, like some Fido, memory faithfully serves, all of Timmy's various and sundry "Rough Collie" "Lassies" were bitches on account of them being easier to train than their male counterparts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassie

    One should of course avoid anthropomorphizing animals and it's reasonable to suspect that PETA (which some "wags" have termed "People Eating Tasty Animals") might have called for whacking with rolled up newspapers the smirking faces of students daring to read Kipling had he written,
    "Though I’ve belted you and flayed you,
    By the livin’ Dawg that made you,
    You’re a better "man" than I am, Rin-Tin-Tin!"

    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46783/gunga-din

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rin_Tin_Tin
    Paul Newman seemed to be more of an "Hombre' than, say, Nathan Philips in the film of the same name. He didn't look the part of what I assumed was a half-breed (Not-So-Great-White Father and Apache Helicopter Mother?) when watching part of the flick years ago, but Googling suggests that he was just a white dude raised on a reservation. There's a stagecoach scene in which he horrifies the wife (?) of a corrupt Indian agent when he says that they "ate dog."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hombre_(film)

    Not sure if the below would be - what's the word? -"appropriate"? here.
    http://thegreatwesternmovies.com/2014/03/11/blue-eyed-apaches-whites-indian-roles/

    Also see Obama eats dog in Indonesia? South Asian cannibals, Gunga-"Din-Din"
    Rough Tough Collie Bitches

    If, like some Fido, memory faithfully serves, all of Timmy’s various and sundry “Rough Collie” “Lassies” were bitches on account of them being easier to train than their male counterparts.

    You’re completely wrong about movie Lassies being bitches. In the books and movies the Lassie character is a bitch but the movie role was always played by a male dog. Male collies look better on screen, being larger with a better looking coat, as well as being faster, better jumpers, braver and more intelligent/trainable.

    Some links:

    Pal, the original movie Lassie

    Lassie facts

  90. [The following clumsy and overwrought analysis would be less inappropriate if done for something “published” in the old sense of the word – and is likely of little or no interest to anyone else. There are almost certainly errors in the below itself given the impoverishment of synapses with age, in other words – like a very poor student, am losing my faculties – and am probably just digging myself in deeper into a backyard hole]

    Boynton, you are, of course, correct. One response would be to whimper that I had added the qualifier of “if” (not to be confused with Kipling’s big “If” or the “big But/butt” of Pee-Wee Herman’s “Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure”) and another would be to joke that “memory can be such a bitch.” My post was was doubly wrong and worse than “not even wrong.” In this case “memory” (sadly, mine is very Spot(ty) barked correctly, but was then overruled and ignored). (can’t give any specific examples, but can imagine that in some episodes of some dog shows, a canine’s warnings, based more on observation than mere instinct, are at least misinterpreted. The faithful friend might even be punished for such cautionary tails – before being at last revealed as the hairy”hero” or “heroine” of the story)

    Continuing this oh so vitally important exegesis – why was a reference made to Lassie at *all*? There seem to be no puns in it and is not linked (as are many of my other posts’ linked to off-topic subjects through very loose associations) to what follows in the post (“Good Girl” or “Boy” would have stood on 4 legs on its own). If Lassie’s name had matched her gender, that would not have been interesting.

    My mother (please don’t call her a “bitch”) told me, perhaps a few decades ago, that Lassie (teevee not movie) was actually male and that males were counter-intuitively* easier to train given that one might suspect that they would be less docile. When recently glancing at Wkipedia’s Lassie entry, I did not see a reference to the mismatch (it might be hiding in plain sight or slinking away in a link). Something of a panic ensued. Was “Lassie” actually female posing as a male character? Nope, the name is obviously female (I sometimes call -oops, I mean address – my youngest daughter with that delivered in a bad Scottish accent). Wouldn’t a male pooch’s pudenda be danglingly obvious? – Again, nope; Collies are a very long-haired breed. During the process and afterwards there were lingering doubts and a sense that something was “not quite right.”

    The end result of that editing on the fly was a grotesque runt which should have been aborted. On a website with a post-publishing “edit” or “delete” button, it’s easier to get away with sloppy work. I also noted someone making the correct observations about Timmy’s chum – and was too lazy to make a separate correction.

    As might be obvious, the primary purpose of the self-indulgent post was to let slip the dogs of doggerel.

    * https://thebark.com/content/what-are-differences-between-male-and-female-dogs

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