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From my new column:

Immigration as Punishment
by Steve Sailer, August 14, 2019

Should Harvard be required to accept the wretched refuse of its applicant pool even though they are likely to flunk out?

Should the Golden State Warriors be forced to draft the huddled masses of short and slow college basketball players who are likely to get torched in the NBA?

And should the United States government be mandated to let in immigrants likely to go on welfare?

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. George says:

    Equatorial Guinea’s Border Wall Plans Provoke Anger in Cameroon
    https://www.voanews.com/africa/equatorial-guineas-border-wall-plans-provoke-anger-cameroon

    “Unitary dominant-party presidential republic (de jure) under an authoritarian dictatorship (de facto) “.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_Guinea

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    , @George
  2. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @L Woods
    , @Lot
  3. Didn’t Neil Diamond sing about the generosity of the American welfare system in “America”?
    Oh wait, that was Phil Collins in “Illegal Alien”.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  4. Our elected government choosing immigrants who would be better neighbors for us current Americans makes the Statue of Liberty cry.

    Just like the litter they create makes the Indian cry.

    I see too many Americans say in response to open-borders insanity that they only oppose letting in welfare chiselers, while anybody who wants to work hard should be welcome to America.

    That may well be the point of it all. They’re probably just trying to make you quit complaining and feel grateful when an immigrant takes your job. ‘Oh well,’ they want you to say. ‘ Ya win some, ya lose some. At least this particular immigrant isn’t on welfare, living off my tax dollars … Oh wait! I don’t owe any taxes now. Fabulous!’

    For example, black Americans used to make a little money retailing specialty hair care products to other blacks.

    When you stop and think about it, segregation itself was (among other things) a huge make-work program for the urban black bourgeoisie. Now they just slow the postal service.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  5. Anon[278] • Disclaimer says:

    Both Canada and Australia are pretty strict about keeping their universal medical plans deadbeat-free. For instance, there’ll be a guy who gets in on a visa to take a professorship at a university. His wife and family also come. Then he wants a permanent residence visa or citizenship. His kid has Down’s Syndrome or the like. The government literally will reject for that sort of lifetime expense the country would have to bear. It seems cruel, but they do it.

    Here’s one:

    Doctor barred from Australia because of Down syndrome son
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/3329411/Doctor-barred-from-Australia-because-of-Down-syndrome-son.html

    “A copy of the decision said care for Lukas was “likely to result in significant costs to the Australian community in health care and community services.””

    Another:

    British family refused entry to New Zealand because daughter has Down’s syndrome
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-family-refused-entry-new-14188146

    “The 15-year-old, who has Down’s syndrome, was told she does not have an “acceptable standard of health” and giving her a visa would likely “impose significant costs” on health and education services.”

    HIV is another no-no, but Canada is starting to crumble on that one. But diabetes or hepatitis will keep you out of Canada.

    You don’t see so many stories like this out of Japan because they nip it in the bud by not letting that many people in in the first place, and by not letting whole families come. But there’s a disturbing trend of international marriages. Japanese women are being seduced by manly foreign men, rejecting “herbivore” Japanese males. The opposing trend is rural men in their 50s marrying Filipino women (who turn out to be surprisingly good wives and mothers and hard workers, and the kids look mostly Japanese).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @eah
    , @peterike
  6. @Anon

    A friend with a Filipina wife says: “In Los Angeles, everybody hates everybody else, except nobody really hates the Filipinos.”

  7. @Redneck farmer

    Hmmm … I was sure that was Phil Collins in Another Day in Paradise.

  8. eah says:

    Moreover, because Latin American immigrants are more likely to use welfare than European immigrants, this new color-blind policy is being denounced as racist:

    It’s (still) as simple as this:

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    , @eah
  9. I can’t see a case for taking any immigrants at all, except for the occasional Steinmetz or Tesla, neither of whom had children. Those two men alone probably contributed more than the whole post 64 horde combined!

    It’s obvious that previous waves of immigrants are trying to take responsibility for founding and building a nation that was set when their immigrant ancestors arrived, which is why they came here to begin with, and also proof that immigration from non-Protestants and non-northwest Europeans was always risky. I guess it would be apocalyptic thinking to say that this isn’t going to end well.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
    , @Hank Archer
  10. Increasingly, we are told, the worse the immigrants the better.

    That’s the essence of it right there. There’s nothing good about America that we can’t fix with the judicious application of a couple hundred million third-worlders. Just watch.

    “The Statue of Liberty in Handcuffs” a new mural in Las Vegas by “British artist” Izaac Zevalking (very British name too) who is apparently yet another immigrant.

    See? Even the Daily Mail knows what’s in our Constitution. I’m taking odds on a copy of that plaque appearing in the National Archives along with the Declaration and the Constitution by the second week of the next Democrat administration.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  11. BB753 says:

    Steve Sailer: making the Statue of Liberty cry since 1985. How’s that for a resume?

    • LOL: Kylie
  12. eah says:
    @Anon

    Doctor barred from Australia because of Down syndrome son

    Moeller and his family were eventually allowed to stay:

    German doctor with disabled son can stay in Australia

    Earlier this year, the Immigration Department had told him to pack up and leave because it deemed the public cost of medical treatment for 13-year-old Lukas too high. … But just hours after Moeller lost his final appeal before the Migration Review Tribunal, Immigration Minister Chris Evans interceded and used his discretionary powers to grant permanent residency.

    But in a country that has admitted tens of thousands of Sudanese etc “refugees”, both the initial decision and loss of the appeal were absurd — but that’s what happens when race is involved: all kinds of absurdity.

    The Moeller case got some attention in Germany.

    • Replies: @eah
  13. Thirdtwin says:

    Land where my fathers died,
    Land of the pilgrims’ pride,
    From ev’ry mountainside
    Let free stuff ring!

  14. eah says:

    OT

  15. Altai says:

    That’s been the angle taken in Ireland from the beginning. Weirdly though, nobody ever seems to define when the country has paid it’s immigration debt. And even more weirdly, the debt seems to grow as the amount of immigrants grows. Or why it’s being paid to the denizens of countries no Irishman has ever emigrated to…

    It’ll be interesting if such perspectives ever emerge in the likes of Poland in the future. I doubt it somehow. Nobody makes the argument in Italy either.

    Now a crazy person might see this as a form of language associated with ethnic war or conquest.

    In order to reorient the debate to the perspectives of the natives I suggest taking from the language of over-tourism. In that arena one is allowed to critique a temporary visitor who intends no harm and whose individual presence produces none, but who none-the-less as part of the total, harms the natives and takes away their freedom to live normally.

    The term I once heard that I really liked is ‘social pollution’. One could even turn it into an anti-capitalist critique. Microsoft disgorged social pollution into Redmond by hiring so many H1Bs and other Indians, who, individually intended no harm and would produce little, in their numbers produced social pollution that the locals of Redmond were forced to endure so Microsoft could have bigger profits. Not unlike a pharmaceutical company dumping untreated effluent into a nearby river.

  16. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    What happened to FINDERS KEEPERS, BUILDERS WIELDERS?

    Long ago, America was there for anyone’s taking. Chinese, Hindus, Turks, Arabs, and even Aztecs in the South could have taken ‘America’ for themselves. They didn’t out of laziness, backwardness, lack of vision & curiosity, or lack of adventure and enterprise.

    Certain Europeans had the audacity and fortitude to take great risks and commit huge resources to take and build America. By right, America is theirs, and they should decide.
    But now, we are told America belongs to all the world. At one time, it was there any people’s taking, but most peoples didn’t take it. Too bad. But now that another people found and built it into a rich nation, they not only want in but demand it as a right. What kind of right is that? Beggars Baggers?

    As for Latinos and Mesos, they have TONS of land and resources from South America across Central America to Mexico. But they’ve done so little with it and just want to mooch off gringo. Sad.

    By the way, what would the US be IF it had open door policy to ALL from the very beginning? It never would have been America of course. Mass diversity would have killed it.
    But then, most non-whites would not have opted to come to America when it was a wilderness or in the early stages of development as there was so much work to be done. Non-whites wanted to come in huge numbers AFTER whites built just about everything. They want to steal the legacy of another people. Legacy theft is like identity theft.

    And no one talks of how immigration rubbed out the Indians and Palestinians. If unchecked, it is a form of invasion and replacement.

    • Replies: @Hank Archer
  17. Pericles says:
    @eah

    Is this the same whistleblower that got pre-shmeared by Wired just the other day?

  18. I read where New Zealand told a prospective immigrant from Wales with the desired skills that he was too fat to meet their health requirements. He lost the weight and was admitted. Smart Kiwis.

    If an immigrant does not have the skills and work habits to be self supporting in America, we do him a favor by rejecting him and allowing him to live in his native land where he speaks the language, etc. Letting them use our social welfare network like a hammock helps no one.

  19. “Is that sentiment, give us ‘your tired, your poor,’ still operative in the United States, or…should the plaque come down from the Statue of Liberty?”

    By all means, tear that plaque down. The sooner the better.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Gordo
  20. But American history has been retconned over recent decades by the descendants of Ellis Island immigrants to promote their ancestors as the true founding fathers of the country. It’s hilariously blatant when you stop and think about it, although nobody ever does.

    So all those people at the time complaining about the Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, etc , were right.

  21. peterike says:
    @Anon

    British family refused entry to New Zealand because daughter has Down’s syndrome

    Nilani, 52, and Nagarajah Suhinthan, 53, applied for visas for themselves and their three daughters, Tanya, 19, Bumikka, 15, and Saumia, 14, to live in New Zealand after Nilani was offered a job there.

    British family.

  22. Jake says:

    “Penance” is a better word than “punishment.” The secularized WASP, even when he is a stone cold atheist, has a desire to prove his acts of charity. Doctrinal heresy always means perversion of praxis (see Jesus’s condemnations of even Pharisaic charity, for example). Because Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy, secularized WASP acts of charity will almost always be public and tend toward grandiosity. They will declare: Look at me! I am so immeasurably good to do this for those who are hopeless and could never have any hope without me.

    What is really bad when the WASP senior partner of the Anglo-Zionist alliance is in full charge becomes much worse when the Jewish partner takes over.

    And eventually, the Jewish partner always takes over everything to do with money and moral philosophy. The only way to prevent that is to repent, orthodoxly, of the heresy and get back on track with Christendom.

    The WASP Elites prefer murder-suicide to proper confession and penance. Just like Jews.

  23. TGGP says: • Website

    The Confederate connection to Lazarus’ poem is news to me. It’s particularly ironic since the statue was built to celebrate the Union’s victory in the Civil War:

    • Replies: @peterike
  24. Anon7 says:

    The Statue of Liberty wants to cry. The SoL wants to feel more, and think less. The SoL loves the emotional roller coaster of guilt about how bad white people are, and how terrible that feels, and about how these sins can be expiated by accepting the endless shambling masses of PoC with their hands out, and how wonderful that feels.

    Men characteristically accept physical challenges, like conquering a continent. Women accept emotional challenges: can they still feel feminine while taking a man’s job, how will it feel meeting men who are not from their village.

    The Statue of Liberty has a broken chain and an open shackle at her feet, symbolizing the end of slavery. I’d suggest that those should be removed: it would be better if she walked over a broken white male and his open wallet. It would just feel better.

    One story about the SoL is that it is a recycled design; it was originally designed to be an Arab woman. So, I guess the spiky headdress should be replaced with a hijab. It would look more like Ilhan Omar.

  25. Svevlad says:
    @George

    Funnily enough, Equatorial Guinea has an average IQ of like 58. Yes, you read that right. Oil does magic though.

    I’m more interested in Botswana – also abysmal IQ, and insane AIDS rate, but for African standards not so bad economically

  26. eah says:

    Pretty dumb coming from a homosexual, since ‘globohomo’ (‘pride’, etc ) is pretty much a white people thing — but ‘political correctness makes you stupid’.

    • Replies: @eah
  27. I read the full article. Even back then UCLA coach John Wooden was being politically correct. Regarding Alcindor/Jabbar, it’s not that you can’t coach quickness, it’s that you can’t coach HEIGHT!

    • Replies: @Forbes
  28. @Cloudbuster

    Well, they were right about one of those groups.

  29. @Cloudbuster

    That damned plaque should never have gone up in the first place. When it was first enshrined, it was placed on the back, where few would see it. It has done immeasurable harm to the country. And few know that Lazurus was an early Zionist, who longed for a Jewish state in Palestine.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    , @95Theses
  30. Whiskey says: • Website

    Even this minor step will be thrown out by a judge in Hawaii because racist.

    It’s over. Accept it The only achievable goal is for White people not to be genocide d. Even that is in doubt.

    Demographic alone guarantee a De m victory. Expect 40 million immigrant s in the first year. More after that.

  31. jim jones says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The only thing wrong with Filipinos is the fact that most of them are Catholics:

  32. Low-skilled immigrants are just as good for this country as high-skilled immigrants. If that’s true, then isn’t spending all this money on higher education to make citizens high-skilled a huge waste of money?

  33. @HammerJack

    In 1949 US Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson wrote that “The Constitution is not a Suicide Pact.” Today’s democrats and leftist judges are determined to prove him wrong.

  34. MEH 0910 says:

    Matthew Yglesias want the United States population to go up, up, up:

    • Replies: @syonredux
  35. MEH 0910 says:
    @Anonymous

    Why would we want to take in aliens who were unlucky enough to not be born in the US? All that bad luck could rub off on us.

  36. More should be made of the immigration realities of Texas and the Mexican cession. Mexicans had three hundred m years to settle the Southwest but they didn’t because the Indians were kind of hostile and raising cattle is riskier than farming. Until Stephen F Austin’s father was granted impresario rights “white” settlement was forbidden and all Anglo settlers were required to convert to Catholicism.

    For some reason my German ancestors actually did rather than just fake it.

  37. Wino says:

    Just curious. Would Einstein, Steve Jobs Syrian father, Donald Trumps father be allowed in under the new proposed rule? I do wonder if intelligent management types would be fine and sacrificing the occasional genius is what we want.

  38. @eah

    At this point, everything that is common sense, empirical, natural, and logical is labelled as ‘racist.’

    Eventually, people are going to say: “Well, if everything except insanity is ‘racist,’ then I guess I’m a ‘racist,’ so what?”

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @L Woods
  39. peterike says:
    @TGGP

    The Lazarus poem is the perfect encapsulation of the Jew-WASP ruling class. Emma Lazarus, the unattractive Jewess, hyper-Zionist and all-around trouble making agitator, writes a treacly paean to “Let in more of my relatives!” thereby undermining American social cohesion (a constant Jewish goal), while WASP ruling class nit-wit Georgina Schuyler uses her influence to have lines from the poem slapped on the Statue of Immigration, thereby providing at least half the impetus behind the multi-cultural ruining of America.

    Lazarus was bad enough, but without Schuyler’s virtue signalling intervention, we might all have been saved from a lot more than some really bad poetry.

  40. @Steve Sailer

    It is fascinating to see what effect the Spanish American War had on immigration patterns from the Philippines. Before 1898, almost all of the Asian immigration to the US and Hawaii was from China and Japan. By 1898 immigration from Asia was heavily restricted in the US, but not Hawaii. After the US conquered the Philippines and annexed Hawaii, the growers in Hawaii had a much more difficult time importing workers from Japan, and were completely blocked from Chinese immigration. Growers in Hawaii claimed they needed Orientals because, as John McCain later pointed out, white Americans were not suited for work in hot fields.

    When both Hawaii and the Philippines became part of the US, both California and Hawaii imported lots of Filipino laborers. (Hawaii more so because California was next to Mexico). By the time Hawaii became a state, Filipinos were one of the largest ethnic groups in the state.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  41. @Steve Sailer

    except nobody really hates the Filipinos.

    It’s hard to find Filipinos objectionable on any ground. Their main national characteristic seems to be a gentle modesty and agreeableness. They might be the least threatening ethnicity on the face of the earth.

    Interestingly, at least in LA, they have come to dominate the field of personal attendants and companions for the old and sick.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @anon
    , @Smithsonian
  42. Alfa158 says:
    @eah

    I’m wonder what the whistleblower was trying to accomplish. Trump, the rest of the Stupid Party, and the leftist occupied DOJ will, as usual, do nothing with the information.
    I suppose the whistleblower feels some moral satisfaction from unearthing the truth, but since nothing substantive will come out of it, is that worth the retaliatory destruction of his personal and professional life?

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @peterike
  43. …7′ 2″ Lew Alcindor (now Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) instead of just finding some local boys and coaching them to the national title. Wooden replied, “You can’t coach quickness.”

    “You can’t coach height” would have made more sense. (And was he really that tall at 18 (or ever)?)

    • Replies: @TWS
    , @ben tillman
  44. @eah

    That article is an illiterate mess.

  45. peterike says:
    @Alfa158

    I’m wonder what the whistleblower was trying to accomplish.

    He says he couldn’t live with the knowledge on his conscience. It’s hard to imagine a genuinely honorable man in The Current Year, but here he is.

    I suppose part of the drive for endless Asian employees at Big Tech is that you’re way less likely to run into an honorable man, and honorable men are really such trouble.

    Trump, the rest of the Stupid Party, and the leftist occupied DOJ will, as usual, do nothing with the information.

    Sad but probably true.

    I wish I had the time to scour through the trove of documents Project Veritas published. The batch titled “Hiring Practices” might be especially iStevey. Have at it for those interested!

    https://www.projectveritas.com/google-document-dump/

  46. L Woods says:
    @Anonymous

    To think, that ugly shrew is treated better than the bottom 99% of men.

  47. L Woods says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    You don’t seem to understand the psyche of average person very well.

  48. @Cloudbuster

    So all those people at the time complaining about the Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, etc , were right.

    Someone complaining about immigration is always right, unless the immigrants are needed to defend the territory against even worse immigrants.

  49. J says: • Website

    I think the proposed way to select immigrants is stupid. Israel takes in anyone without asking questions. We took in hundred thousands destitute ex-Soviet elderly Jews and relatives of Jews, and they receive automatic social security and retirement payments, and generous medical insurance. This policy did not ruin us, see: we are rather prospering. America used to accept anyone and waxed rich. Australia in the past accepted (or was forced to accept) every English criminal and lowlife, and they built a model society. Decent individuals from good families or nations should not be rejected.

  50. @Cloudbuster

    But American history has been retconned over recent decades by the descendants of Ellis Island immigrants to promote their ancestors as the true founding fathers of the country. It’s hilariously blatant when you stop and think about it, although nobody ever does.

    So all those people at the time complaining about the Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, etc , were right.

    Partly yes, partly no.

    One of the problems with discussing immigration in light of prior waves of immigration is the fact that we suffer from a society wide survivorship bias. People in the U.S. with warm and sentimental feelings about immigration because of their grandfathers’ immigration story are that way because they’re the descendants of immigrants who were successful despite a more hostile environment at those times. They’re not the descendants of immigrants who couldn’t make it in the U.S. and returned to their nations of origin (those people today are Italians etc.), nor are they the non-existent descendants of immigrants who failed and died alone, childless and buried in a potter’s field.

    I think it’s also the case that WWII was perceived by many as an existential event in the life of the nation, and one that “Americanized” previous waves of immigrants propelling the U.S. to Superpower status. People with pre-1925 immigrant origins whose ancestors fought in WWII and the Cold War feel that they’ve “earned in” by that experience. It may not have been the founding of the Republic, but WWII is probably the f0unding of the Empire and the advent of the American Century.

  51. @Altai

    That’s been the angle taken in Ireland from the beginning. Weirdly though, nobody ever seems to define when the country has paid it’s immigration debt. And even more weirdly, the debt seems to grow as the amount of immigrants grows. Or why it’s being paid to the denizens of countries no Irishman has ever emigrated to…

    I think the Irish are saddled with the mirror image of the U.S. immigration guilt trip.

    Whereas in the U.S. we’re told we must allow limitless and indiscriminate immigration because our ancestors were immigrants to the U.S., in Ireland they’re told that they must do their part to accept limitless and indiscriminate immigration into Ireland because in the past Ireland was a source for immigrants to North America, Australia and New Zealand, and the United Kingdom.

    So we’re guilted into suicidal immigration policies because our ancestors may have fled Ireland, the Irish are also guilted into suicidal immigration policies because their ancestors didn’t flee Ireland.

    • Replies: @Altai
  52. TWS says:
    @International Jew

    He’s probably a little shorter, I’ve never met a pro or even college athlete who was their listed height but I bet he’s near seven foot.

  53. Icy Blast says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    You’re right. We should never have allowed the Irish or the Southern Germans to enter the U.S.A. And we should have more carefully screened the Scottish, as many Papists obviously slipped through. And it goes without saying that Poles, Austrians, and Italians should never have been allowed in. Look at the mess we’re in now!

  54. eah says:
    @eah

    Consider the alternative.

  55. Dan Hayes says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Hypnotoad666:

    In NYC Filipino nurses (invariably female) are heavily represented in the nursing profession. I don’t know if they’ve yet broken out into the US hinterlands.

  56. eah says:

  57. @OilcanFloyd

    Six of my eight G-Grandparents were born in Europe, so in a sense I’m a relatively recent immigrant. But I have to wonder, have any of the descendants of my European-born ancestors made contributions to America which wouldn’t have occurred if they had not immigrated? In other words, did even the mostly European-based immigration of the early 1900s add significant social value to America? Perhaps it was this skimming of the “best” from Europe that was partly responsible for the horrors of Europe’s 20th century?

  58. Should Harvard be required to accept the wretched refuse of its applicant pool even though they are likely to flunk out?

    Yes. In seriousness, yes.

    From a basic moral perspective, should regular Americans be forbidden from purchasing classes that they are willing to pay market price for?

    Is it so terrible if regular people are allowed to purchase a Calculus class from Harvard or University of Michigan and do the assignments and take the exams like a normal student? Currently, normal people can purchase a Calculus class, but only at a less prestigious school, with a less prestigious campus, and a less prestigious peer group, and community, and dating circle.

    Universities use e-verify systems to enhance the distinction between member-students and non-member outsiders.

    By open border libertarian principles, if it’s private, excluding people is ok: A private house, a private sports team, a private company, etc. But government financed institutions like cities and nations and universities have no moral right to exclude others who wish to simply use their feet and walk over and seek better opportunity. One might argue that Harvard is private. The simplest counter is to consider exclusive public universities that are officially government institutions, like Berkley or University of Michigan. Almost no one will say the public/private distinction is important here. Even nominally private universities like Harvard are largely institutions of government, maybe attached to a private hedge fund.

    Read what Tyler Cowen says in defense of exclusive university admissions:

    Step back from the emotions of the current debate and start with the general point that social elites need to replicate themselves, one way or another. Otherwise they tend to fade away

    Government universities like GMU use exclusive restricted admission, to preserve their identity, their culture, and their values, which are sacred to them. It’s imperative that the university elites see their identity and culture preserved and extended in future generations, and they use exclusive admissions to achieve that.

  59. Dan Hayes says:
    @International Jew

    International Jew:

    If she drowns in transit rest assured that Pope Francis will fast-track her for instant sainthood in his new reconstituted Roman Catholic Church!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  60. @Paleo Liberal

    After the US conquered the Philippines and annexed Hawaii, the growers in Hawaii had a much more difficult time importing workers from Japan…

    Another island source was Madeira. They brought what they quickly turned into the ukulele.

    By the time Hawaii became a state, Filipinos were one of the largest ethnic groups in the state.

    They must have been concentrated in certain areas. I don’t remember any at all among my classmates and playmates on Oahu in the mid-’60s. I probably missed a couple, but there’d have been only a couple to miss. There were Japanese, Chinese, haole, and mixed.

    By the way, why do we call them “Filipinos”? That’s so colonial. There is no F in their language. They should be called Pilipino or Philippine.

  61. @Anonymous

    When Native Americans (justly) complain that they were horribly treated by Europeans, they should take a few moments to imagine what would have happened if the Americas had been settled by the Japanese or Chinese.

  62. @Dan Hayes

    Is Francis the Eva Peron of popes?

  63. Jimbeaux says:

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    “Start a New Life in America” “Get Green Cards for the Entire Family”

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  64. Corvinus says:

    “Jason Richwine (who, as you may recall, was fired from the conservative Heritage Foundation in 2013 for the crime of having earned a social science Ph.D. from Harvard) recently analyzed…”

    Which makes an apples to oranges comparison. He is comparing an entire nation to an entire continent, not taking into account the differences in educational and socioeconomic backgrounds, as well as the impact of past prejudices in various locations. Richwine admits that he is unable to make a nation to nation comparison, which would clearly offer a more objective analysis. There was a substantial degree of in immigrants’ skills and earnings across sending countries from Europe, including some immigrant groups that out-earned natives from the outset. In general, the size of the migration flow increases with the relative wage and employment rates in the destination country, as well as with the size of the migrant network, suggesting that prospective migrants are aware of and responsive to economic conditions. Recall that first generation Mexican immigrants from 1910-1950 were generally employed in the Southwest as farm laborers, which will put them at a significant disadvantage moving forward economically and socially compared to those groups who had more occupational choices. Within this dynamic, new arrivals creates “winners and losers” in the native population and among incoming immigrants.

    “But American history has been retconned over recent decades by the descendants of Ellis Island immigrants to promote their ancestors as the true founding fathers of the country. It’s hilariously blatant when you stop and think about it, although nobody ever does.”

    Actually, people like myself have NOTICED it quite well, thank you very little. The second generation Italian immigrant in 1920 or the second generation Polish immigrant in 1940 was looked viewed in a similar fashion by nativists, wondering if they would ever reach IQ parity with “Heritage Americans”. Consider that the average IQ of immigrants from those two nations were substantially lower than that of nativists, and it was generally argued that this difference would persist over several generations. It made little difference that those three groups were European, they were deemed “inferior” and incapable of understanding the fundamentals of representative democracy. Sure, they were “better” than blacks and browns, so long as they knew their proper place on the European ethnic hierarchy.

    Somehow, someway, that mentality changed. Magic dirt, indeed.

  65. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    It’s hard to find Filipinos objectionable on any ground. Their main national characteristic seems to be a gentle modesty and agreeableness. They might be the least threatening ethnicity on the face of the earth.

    Quite true, until you put a stick in their hands. On their first encounter with the Spanish the natives were defeated but captured a few Spanish swords as they withdrew to the jungle. They spent the next few years learning to fight swords using sticks. Filipino stick fighting (arnice) is a great fighting art. When the Spanish returned the stick fighters defeated the Spanish swords, including killing Magellan.
    When they are serious about their fighting today they use machetes.

  66. George says:
    @George

    More Cameroonian migration news: Number of Migrants Waiting at U.S.-Mexico Border Surges to 40K — a Dramatic Rise From Earlier in Year

    The Cameroonian men who share 10 mattresses on the floor of a third-floor apartment above a barber shop walk every morning to the busiest U.S. border crossing with Mexico, hoping against all odds that it will be their lucky day to claim asylum in the United States.

    https://ktla.com/2019/08/08/number-of-migrants-waiting-at-u-s-mexico-border-surges-to-40k-a-dramatic-rise-from-earlier-in-year/

    President (for 40 yrs so far) Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo build that wall!!!!

  67. @Corvinus

    Neat, does this mean you that if we take in day laborers from countries even poorer than Mexico, they’ll be less likely to go on welfare when they become citizens?

    Maybe that mentality changed because later generations of ethnics engaged in less stereotypical behaviors, and it became rude to notice when some of those culturally enriching traditions, like the Cosa (and Kosher)Nostra, persisted?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  68. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A friend with a Filipina wife says: “In Los Angeles, everybody hates everybody else, except nobody really hates the Filipinos.”

    One of my brothers married a Filipina a few years back. Conforming to stereotypes, she’s a nurse and quite pleasant, although she did go through a phase where she was always trying to hook me up with one of her Filipina co-workers….

    As for progeny, they’ve had two girls (ages 6 and 4). In terms of looks, they are vaguely “Eurasian-y”. Kinda like Phoebe Cates, slightly-but-not-too-foreign:

  69. Should a someone willing to pay market price for a seat in a calculus class at Harvard be denied the right to do so? Should that student have to go to a less prestigious school, with a less prestigious peer group and dating circle? Should that social peer group and dating circle deserve heavy government subsidies?

    Open Border logic says that private entities like a family or a company or a sports team can exclude others, but a government owned institution, like a university campus, cannot. Harvard might be nominally private, but consider overtly public prestigious universities like Berkeley or University of Michigan or GMU?

    A common reason cited for exclusive university admissions is for the “elites to replicate themselves” and preserve their identity and their culture, and their legacy, and their “values”, which are sacred to them. And they preserve their sacred culture and identity through selective exclusive admissions and government enshrined privilege.

  70. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    Actually, people like myself have NOTICED it quite well, thank you very little. The second generation Italian immigrant in 1920 or the second generation Polish immigrant in 1940 was looked viewed in a similar fashion by nativists, wondering if they would ever reach IQ parity with “Heritage Americans”.

    Get back to me when Blacks and Mestizos have achieved IQ parity with White Americans….

    . Sure, they were “better” than blacks and browns, so long as they knew their proper place on the European ethnic hierarchy.

    Somehow, someway, that mentality changed.

    Anglo-America has a good track record when it comes to absorbing fellow Europeans:

  71. peterike says:
    @Corvinus

    Somehow, someway, that mentality changed. Magic dirt, indeed.

    Or, ya know, media brainwashing.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Corvinus
  72. syonredux says:
    @peterike

    Somehow, someway, that mentality changed. Magic dirt, indeed.

    Or, ya know, media brainwashing.

    Nah. More like trusting your lying eyes. Differences between, say, Scots and Italians look kinda insignificant when compared to the yawning gulf separating Europeans from Blacks…..

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  73. syonredux says:
    @MEH 0910

    Immigration to the United States has not, historically, been an act of kindness toward strangers. It’s been a strategy for national growth and national greatness,

    Dunno. 1924-1965 America defines “national greatness” to me. Just take a gander at some of the achievements: integrated circuits, landing a man on the Moon (1969, but accomplished by pre-’65 America), defeating Japan, Citizen Kane, The Maltese Falcon (book and film), The Sound and the Fury, Hoover Dam, Golden Gate Bridge, The Empire State Building, Red River, My Darling Clementine, Chrysler Building, The Great Gatsby, …..

    And all that was accomplished during a period of low immigration….

  74. @Hypnotoad666

    It’s hard to find Filipinos objectionable on any ground. Their main national characteristic seems to be a gentle modesty and agreeableness. They might be the least threatening ethnicity on the face of the earth.

    I dunno… wasn’t the .45 calibre cartridge invented because nothing smaller would stop an enraged Filipino?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @syonredux
    , @J.Ross
  75. @J

    we are rather prospering

    “CBO projects a deficit of $896 billion for 2019”

    https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget

    No, we are not “prospering”. We’re partying on debt. At some point the bill comes due. The last thing we need is more parasites.

  76. Altai says:
    @International Jew

    Are her publicity stunts worse than anyone else? At least it’s in service to a worth-while cause. How you feel about her and climate change is how SJWs and the upper-middle classes feel about immigration.

  77. Altai says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Unfortunately attempts to revive Irish failed and all the bad ideas in the English language that came out of American elites were absorbed by an Irish elite so insecure that they adopted everything the big countries did, even if it was implemented after the idea had proven disastrous and was ended in the original country.

    The post-Soundings English curriculum is just a copy-paste of an American English curriculum.

  78. @Digital Samizdat

    The hard-working ones are the worst. Of course. Any fool could see that. If he were not brainwashed by all that “founded by hardworking immigrants myth” crap.

  79. As usual, you people get sidetracked onto blaming the immigrants when you should be blaming the rich people who make all the money and get all the power from them.

    This is a congenital problem for Americans, especially for the Heritage ones. They can’t bring themselves to badmouth the rich. Might get in the way of the ferocious brownnosing.

  80. @Smithsonian

    It’s hard to find Filipinos objectionable on any ground. Their main national characteristic seems to be a gentle modesty and agreeableness. They might be the least threatening ethnicity on the face of the earth.

    I dunno… wasn’t the .45 calibre cartridge invented because nothing smaller would stop an enraged Filipino?

    But that wasn’t “objectionable”–on their part. The Filipinos had every reason to be enraged. We were taking over their nation. It was the stupidest, nastiest, most morally objectionable war the US ever engaged in.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  81. eah says:
    @eah

  82. syonredux says:
    @Smithsonian

    I dunno… wasn’t the .45 calibre cartridge invented because nothing smaller would stop an enraged Filipino?

    Muslims:

    In the Moro Rebellion, Moro Muslim Juramentados in suicide attacks continued to charge against American soldiers even after being shot. Panglima Hassan in the Hassan uprising was shot dozens of times before he went down. As a result, Americans elected to phase out revolvers with .38 caliber ammunition in favor of Colt .45 revolvers to continue their fight against the Moros.[74]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Rebellion#Juramentados_and_stopping_power

  83. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @MEH 0910
  84. syonredux says:
    @AnotherDad

    But that wasn’t “objectionable”–on their part. The Filipinos had every reason to be enraged. We were taking over their nation. It was the stupidest, nastiest, most morally objectionable war the US ever engaged in.

    Seeing as how we’re still being flooded with Puerto Ricans (And some idiots want to make PR a state), my vote for stupidest US conflict goes to the Spanish-American War.

    • Agree: Corn
  85. @J

    I think the proposed way to select immigrants is stupid. Israel takes in anyone without asking questions.

    LOL.

    Very funny. I’m pretty good in the flow of conversation. But have never quite had the talent to just launch this sort of deadpan parody.

  86. Yngvar says:

    These are not huge gaps, but even after about 75 years, the grandchildren of European immigrants pay more in taxes than the grandchildren of Mexican immigrants.

    It looks like Institutional Racism and White Miasma prevents Latins from contributing their fair share to the governments coffers.

  87. J.Ross says:
    @Smithsonian

    .45 Long Colt already existed (I believe it makes a historically accurate appearance in Back To The Future III). The round developed was the .45 ACP, which is what everybody means when they say “45” nowadays, but it wasn’t used in the Moro war (development continued afterward). They were switching from their original issue revolvers to a bigger caliber revolver. .45 Long Colt is used in some specialty revolvers or long guns that can also shoot .410 shotgun ammunition because it’s the same width. One of the guys overseeing the testing was a general named Thompson, and among his ideas for .45 ACP was a pistol-caliber carbine, fire from which could be “walked” to a target.

    [John Browning’s] M1911 was an “end product” of these events and of that era, with the purpose of replacing an old obsolete revolver. The last revolt of the time being the Moro Rebellion ending in 1913. With the first batch of M1911s being shipped on July 25, 1913 that went to the US Navy ship yard in New York, the M1911 pistol never truly saw any action during the early major Philippine conflicts.

    https://armasdefilipinas.blogspot.com/2011/07/colt-m1911-45acp-pistol.html?m=1

  88. Corvinus says:
    @Arthur Pierce

    “Neat, does this mean you that if we take in day laborers from countries even poorer than Mexico, they’ll be less likely to go on welfare when they become citizens?”

    Actually, I have been consistent in my position here–we should limit immigration. There are laws on the books. Both political parties do not want to seriously address this issue. The problem I have is that some Americans whose ancestors themselves had been looked at as “scourge” by nativists are employing the same arguments back then…now.

    “Maybe that mentality changed because later generations of ethnics engaged in less stereotypical behaviors…”

    Like the Assyrians, Chinese, Japanese, Kenyans, and Vietnamese?

    “and it became rude to notice when some of those culturally enriching traditions, like the Cosa (and Kosher)Nostra, persisted?”

    And is this “persistence” a “good” or a “bad” thing? Why?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Sam Haysom
  89. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    “Differences between, say, Scots and Italians look kinda insignificant when compared to the yawning gulf separating Europeans from Blacks…..”

    Actually, there was that same gulf between Scots and Italians back in the “good old days”. The differences mattered significantly to the point that quotas were put in place to keep out certain lesser European ethnic groups.

    “One of my brothers married a Filipina a few years back…”

    That’s great. He is a race traitor–at least that’s what the Alt Right kiddos say. More mixed kids rather than marrying a white woman and going above/beyond the (white) race replacement.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  90. Corvinus says:
    @peterike

    “Or, ya know, media brainwashing.”

    I would agree you are the epitome of it.

  91. J.Ross says:
    @MEH 0910

    >from a Roosevelt Republican
    So this is a Republican supporter of FDR? I don’t see any contradiction with the Republican Roosevelt.

  92. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    “Differences between, say, Scots and Italians look kinda insignificant when compared to the yawning gulf separating Europeans from Blacks…..”

    Actually, there was that same gulf between Scots and Italians back in the “good old days”. The differences mattered significantly to the point that quotas were put in place to keep out certain lesser European ethnic groups.

    Not quite. Everyone knew that this

    is vastly different from these

    “One of my brothers married a Filipina a few years back…”

    That’s great. He is a race traitor–at least that’s what the Alt Right kiddos say. More mixed kids rather than marrying a white woman and going above/beyond the (white) race replacement.

    Eh.I’m not a race purity snob.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    , @Corvinus
  93. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    The problem I have is that some Americans whose ancestors themselves had been looked at as “scourge” by nativists are employing the same arguments back then…now.

    The reason for that is simple:Blacks and Mestizos/Amerinds are not the same as Europeans.

  94. @syonredux

    No you are just a cringeworthy old thirsty man. That redhead looks disgusting by the way.

  95. Forbes says:
    @follyofwar

    “You can’t coach height” is the Wooden pearl of wisdom I remember…

  96. @Corvinus

    We can limit it to pre-revolution settler stock to decide our immigration polices if you like. You won’t like those results either.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  97. syonredux says:
    @Sam Haysom

    No you are just a cringeworthy old thirsty man.

    Hey, if given an opportunity to post images of pretty girls….

    That redhead looks disgusting by the way.

    Cool it with the Anti-ginger prejudice:

  98. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    “Brianna Wu”

    Asian men stop stealing our hottest women!

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Alden
  99. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “In Los Angeles, everybody hates everybody else, except nobody really hates the Filipinos.”

    There are some small pacific islands where Filipinos mass immigrated too and are now the majority or economically dominant minority.

    So possibly if you really want to find some anti-Filipino hate in LA, ask a Guamanian.

  100. L Woods says:
    @Sam Haysom

    You’re overdoing it. Try toning it down a bit

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  101. @peterike

    And why would you ascribe to her {Georgina Schuyler} any independent agency? Why do you conclusively presume she is not someone else’s extended phenotype?

  102. @International Jew

    “You can’t coach height” would have made more sense. (And was he really that tall at 18 (or ever)?)

    Where were you when I was arguing with my friend David on the playground back in first grade? Well, you probably would have said Wilt wasn’t 7′ 1″, either, so it wouldn’t have helped.

  103. Spangel says:
    @Sam Haysom

    Calling that girl disgusting is basically announcing that you are an incel.

  104. J.Ross says:
    @International Jew

    Remember: no planes struck the progressive stack.

  105. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  106. MEH 0910 says:
    @Lot

    I would have hit the LOL button, but I don’t want see “her” mug staring out from my Comments page.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Brianna_Wu

    Brianna Wu (born John Walker Flynt on July 6, 1977) is a Transgendered American video game developer and computer programmer. Wu is biologically male, but appears and lives like a woman. That means that mainstream media organs use the personal pronouns “she” and “her” to refer to Brianna Wu.

    • Replies: @Lot
  107. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    “Not quite. Everyone knew that this is vastly different from these”

    Not really. Beauty has always been in the beauty of the beholder. Each culture had their own criteria for beauty, as well as each continent. There were individual European nation standards. Those from southern Italy with tan skin and curly hair were viewed as inferior compared to fair-skinned, blue eyed women from Germany. Of course, when European nations engaged in their global conquering efforts, a “we versus them” mentality developed. YOU (an Italian woman) are of course “more appealing” than a Kenyan female. However, SHE (that Italian female) is not on the same plane as German females. There always has been this unofficial pecking order. Furthermore, the tall, thin archetype (aka The Classic American Girl) replaced the Victorian archetype, which replaced the Rubenesque archetype. Ultimately, beauty is a personal opinion.

    These women represent the typical females of the West. A number of them were considered attractive for their time period. Today, they would generally be considered “homely”.

    https://truewestmagazine.com/wild-women-of-the-west

    “Eh.I’m not a race purity snob”.

    Great to know.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  108. Corvinus says:
    @Sam Haysom

    “We can limit it to pre-revolution settler stock to decide our immigration polices if you like. You won’t like those results either.”

    At least you would be going back with me!

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  109. @Corvinus

    Lol nope. 1646. Beat the Bushes here. Toodles.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  110. Kronos says:
    @Sam Haysom

    I’ve had worse, (But I’ve definitely seen better.)

  111. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    Not quite. Everyone knew that this is vastly different from these”

    Not really. Beauty has always been in the beauty of the beholder. Each culture had their own criteria for beauty, as well as each continent. There were individual European nation standards. Those from southern Italy with tan skin and curly hair were viewed as inferior compared to fair-skinned, blue eyed women from Germany. Of course, when European nations engaged in their global conquering efforts, a “we versus them” mentality developed. YOU (an Italian woman) are of course “more appealing” than a Kenyan female. However, SHE (that Italian female) is not on the same plane as German females. There always has been this unofficial pecking order. Furthermore, the tall, thin archetype (aka The Classic American Girl) replaced the Victorian archetype, which replaced the Rubenesque archetype. Ultimately, beauty is a personal opinion.

    Dunno. To my eye, there’s a lot of aesthetic continuity:

    “Eh.I’m not a race purity snob”.

    Great to know.

    I try to be informative.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Corvinus
  112. @syonredux

    Russia is a country so evil that it permits cheerleading squads to be all-white. Even in the Current Year.

    I’ve grown up in the USA and when I was younger, I watched TV and movies and even studied hard in school, occasionally. So I happen to know that this is just about the most evil thing imaginable.

  113. eah says:
    @eah

  114. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    “Dunno. To my eye, there’s a lot of aesthetic continuity”

    From an overall “European” sense. But from an individual ethnic perspective, not so much. Each culture and ethnic group has their own ideals of attractiveness. It’s a matter of personal taste.

    https://ninchanese.com/blog/2016/05/12/western-vs-chinese-beauty-standards/

    • Replies: @syonredux
  115. Corvinus says:
    @Sam Haysom

    “Lol nope. 1646. Beat the Bushes here. Toodles.”

    On one side or both sides of your family?

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  116. Gordo says:
    @Cloudbuster

    That will be a turning point.

  117. Alden says:
    @Lot

    Why pants and long skirts were invented.

  118. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘America belongs to all’ really means ‘whiteness belong to all’. Whether white ability, know-how, culture, territory, wealth, beauty, institutions, technology, and etc, the whole world wants IN. Same logic applies to Canada, Australia, and Europe.

    Once white people went into ‘inclusive’ mode, the world thought ‘better white people and white world than my sucky one’. They see whiteness as deliverance ans salvation from their own problems. The paradox is they attack and denounce whitey to hide the shame of their preference for white over their own kind. They want to reward themselves with proximity to whiteness by claiming to punish whiteness.

    Why do whites fall for this BS? They lack a deep culture like the Jews and Hindus have.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @J.Ross
  119. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  120. @peterike

    If you are not a WASP, you are a guest and you have to go back.

  121. @Corvinus

    All lines in my family tree were in the colonies before 1776. My first direct male ancestor even exterminated an Indian village on his land in Virginia. Now, you have to go back.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  122. 95Theses says:

    Conor Fitzgerald

    The 3 contradictory things right-thinking people believe about demographic change in western countries

    It’s not happening.
    It is happening and it’s good.
    It is happening and it’s bad, for you, which is good because you deserve it.

    Sorry, but that is almost word for word how Colin Flaherty (same initials, too) describes the denial, deceit, and delusion that infects those who deny the stratospheric level of Black criminality and violence which is directed against White people:

    According to Mr. Flaherty, this denial takes one of three forms, usually in successive order:

    It’s not happening (disproved by exposing the deniers to hundreds of videos depicting Black-on-White violence)

    White people do it too (disproved when deniers are unable to produce similar videos of White criminality)

    White people deserve it (invoked when claims 1 and 2 fail)

    Smells like plagiarism.

  123. 95Theses says:
    @follyofwar

    Wait … it’s not part of the Constitution?

  124. 95Theses says:
    @follyofwar

    That poem is a giant “Kick Me!” note taped to the back of America.

  125. Corvinus says:
    @Chris Mallory

    “All lines in my family tree were in the colonies before 1776.”

    Anyone on the Web can make those types of statements.

    “My first direct male ancestor even exterminated an Indian village on his land in Virginia.”

    Says the resident Internet tuff grrl.

    “Now, you have to go back.”

    Along with millions of white Americans. You will not make any friends, only enemies. Regardless, no one is going back, and your Vox Dayian approach has no traction nor leverage.

  126. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “‘America belongs to all’ really means ‘whiteness belong to all’.”

    Actually, you have it wrong. America belongs to all of U.S.

    “Whether white ability, know-how, culture, territory, wealth, beauty, institutions, technology, and etc, the whole world wants IN. Same logic applies to Canada, Australia, and Europe.”

    Not white ability, but human innovation.

    “Why do whites fall for this BS? They lack a deep culture like the Jews and Hindus have.”

    You only speak for yourself and your brand of impotent whiteness. Normies will continue to make their own decisions about race and culture. You don’t get to define who we are, each one of U.S. does. And that really gets you mad when you realize you are impotent to do anything about it. Maybe a St. Breivik stunt has come across your mind, but fortunately for all of U.S. you lack the guile and guts to pull it off.

  127. J.Ross says:
    @MEH 0910

    “The New Nativists” is a new NYT series not taking a look at government-enabled establishmemt-driven leftist terrorism, neither examining financial support from the great foundations, not looking into local politicians winking at antifa on twitter, and definitely not making any connections which “punch a Nazi” messaging and assassinations jokes might have on people who go out to effect those things.

  128. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    There’s a funnier interpretation. Speaking imprecisely (but not that imprecisely), Anglo-Saxons (and especially Scots Irish) worked out a societal model of stability, transparency, limited government, and empowered citizens, which uniquely enables great prosperity, and which also enables happiness without requiring great wealth. This societal model, while rather closely born of a particular few North-West European ethnies, has no hard ethnic requirement, and can potentially be entered into by anyone of any background.
    But the joke is that they all stamp their foot on the ground, demand their own dirty little modernized feudalism, and call “racist” the one societal model that works well on anybody.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  129. Lot says:
    @MEH 0910

    I got a tranny vibe from certain photos, especially where she towers over Mr. Wu. But mostly she looks like a genuine ugly woman.

  130. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    “Dunno. To my eye, there’s a lot of aesthetic continuity”

    From an overall “European” sense.

    Well, yes. That’s my point. These

    Are very different from this

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  131. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    Except you are purposely finding attractive white women and comparing them to an other than attractive black lady. Or are you trying to be coy here and post a photograph of a trans-black woman?

    See, you need to match the women on the same level of attraction or unattraction. That is how it is played. But you seem to need to cheat to win. Must be in your DNA.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @syonredux
  132. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  133. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    Except you are purposely finding attractive white women and comparing them to an other than attractive black lady. Or are you trying to be coy here and post a photograph of a trans-black woman?

    Dunno. According to the WOKE, these are extremely attractive Black women:

    They just don’t look like European women…..

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  134. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    “Dunno. According to the WOKE, these are extremely attractive Black women:”

    I see you are still playing your losing shell game hoping for that one great score that never materializes.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  135. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    “Dunno. According to the WOKE, these are extremely attractive Black women:”

    I see you are still playing your losing shell game hoping for that one great score that never materializes.

    You’ve got to get over your Eurocentric beauty standards. According to the WOKE, this woman

    Is every bit as attractive as this woman

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