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Clan War in Connecticut: L to R: Mr. MacDonald, Mrs. Campbell, Mr. Campbell

HBD Chick points out a bizarre stand-alone scene in one of the last episodes of Mad Men (April 26, 2015, scripted by Matthew Weiner and Erin Levy) that sounds like Weiner is trolling HBD Chick’s intellectual obsession with clannishness.

I have to say that Steve’s posts (and Weiner’s own revelations) certainly make the show much more understandable. I honestly couldn’t make head nor tail of it before learning about Weiner’s hang-ups (the clothes were fun to look at, though!).

[SPOILER ALERT!]

One scene from the final season (in “Time & Life”, s07e11) really makes sense now!

Ad man Pete Campbell punches the headmaster of the Greenwich Country Day School (current maximum tuition $37,600) for refusing admission to his little daughter.

Initially, Headmaster MacDonald claimed it was because Campbell’s four-year-old daughter scored poorly on the Goodenough-Harris Draw-a-Man IQ admission test:

Miss Campbell’s Draw-a-Man test: “Not Goodenough,” says Mr. MacDonald

Pete Campbell: Well, I assume you know why we’re here, Mr. MacDonald. We feel there’s been a mistake regarding our daughter, Tammy. It’s a Campbell family tradition to receive the inimitable education of Greenwich Country Day. … A Campbell has been in attendance since…it was a barn! …

Headmaster MacDonald: I’m sorry, but our decision is final. It’s not a question of space. Your little girl scored very low on her Draw-a-Man test. …

Campbell: Albert Einstein didn’t speak until he was four years old. …

The headmaster is contemptuous of this cliched response of IQ science denialists:

MacDonald: (shaking his head.) Heh. Einstein.

But then we find out that this school discrimination incident is actually just an extension of a Highlander clan war going back at least to the Massacre of Glencoe in 1692 in which Campbell clan soldiers under orders of the new King William of England took advantage of the hospitality of the MacDonald clan to breach the truce. This was a particularly heinous offense under Scottish law: “murder under trust.” (Weiner and Levy were likely inspired by a 2013 episode of Game of Thrones, “Red Wedding,” based on this incident notorious in the romantic literature of the 19th Century.)

Campbell: Would you like to step outside?!

MacDonald: Are you sure you wouldn’t rather get me while I’m sleeping like a real Campbell?!

Campbell: Are you kidding me?!

MacDonald: No MacDonald will ever mix with a Campbell!

Mrs. Trudy Campbell: What are you talking about?!

Campbell: It’s some stupid story! It’s three hundred years old! He’s obviously nuts!

MacDonald: (addressing Trudy) You should know that his clan took advantage of the gift of hospitality and murdered my ancestors while they slept!

Campbell: The King ordered it!!

MacDonald: (still addressing Trudy) Just be grateful you can remarry and get rid of that name.

Trudy: (shocked, raising her hand to her mouth.) Oh!

Pete punches MacDonald.

Pete: Come on, Trudy. (Escorts her out.)

MacDonald: (rubbing his chin.) Another sucker punch from the Campbells! Coward!!

HBD Chick comments:

So, here we have it, I think — Matt Weiner fiiiinally getting a chance to show WASPs — and not just any WASP, but the very guy [Pete Campbell] who made the snide comment about “the rude edge out of people” — how it feels when the shoe is on the other foot. Pete Campbell can’t get his daughter into an exclusive school simply because of who they are — Campbells! So there!

Dylan Matthews at Vox amplified along those lines on April 30, 2015, but approvingly:

But mostly, making Pete one of those Campbells is a brilliant character note. Pete is a deeply privileged man who’s always coming up short.

On the one hand, his pedigree is impeccable. His mother is a Dyckman, the descendent of a family that used to own much of Manhattan. He went to Deerfield and Dartmouth. But his adult life has seen humiliation after humiliation chip away at this image of himself. His parents were embarrassed by his choice to go into advertising. He had to accept money for an apartment from his wife’s parents after his only family wouldn’t help him (and because Sterling Cooper didn’t pay him enough). His father squandered the family fortune. He got divorced, with all the social ostracism that entails. For heaven’s sake, there’s an entire episode devoted to Pete failing at stuff: fixing a sink, fisticuffs with Lane Pryce, sleeping with the high school girl he has a crush on.

The Clan Campbell — Scots who allied with the English crown — is a wonderful metaphor for this. Pete isn’t a real WASP, not on his father’s side at least. He will never be at the top of the social ladder. If the Upper East Side elite were the Mafia, he’d never be a made man.

And yet he tries all the same, just as the Clan Campbell tried to gain the favor of the English for a taste of the privileges Englishness offered.

The Rev. Alexander K. Campbell

The result is that Pete gets humiliated by a preschool headmaster. In 1970, even fake Englishness doesn’t buy you much of anything anymore.

Since Weiner has pointed out — “Sterling Cooper is modeled on my high school — that his fictional ad firm is based on Harvard-Westlake School on Coldwater Canyon (tuition $33,500), let me add to Matthews’ point by noting that Harvard-Westlake’s geographically closest social rival is Campbell Hall Episcopal School on Laurel Canyon (tuition $34,400), although Campbell Hall lags Harvard-Westlake in academic rigor.

Campbell Hall alumni include director Paul Thomas Anderson, Molly Ringwald, the Olsen twins, and the Fanning sisters.

Campbell Hall was founded by the kilt-wearing Rev. Alexander K. Campbell. But Campbell Hall Episcopal is not even an authentically Scottish Presbyterian school, it’s an Episcopal school (i.e., the Church of England in America).

Like the craven Campbell Clan in 1692, Campbell Hall sided with the English.

Even the toniest nursery schools are run by goddamn MacDonalds.

To people whose ancestors didn’t hold British titles of nobility, these distinctions probably seem very fine and trivial indeed. But one thing I did like about the episode, which you gesture at, Todd, is that it’s partially about the evaporation of distinctions amongst the powerful.

Maybe, although Weiner’s recent interviews suggest that in the 1980s he was extraordinarily conscious of ethnic distinctions among the powerful families of Hancock Park and Harvard-Westlake School.

Today, we don’t talk about WASP privilege relative to Scots;

Did we ever? Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe, Henry Knox, Andrew Jackson, and James K. Polk were all various kinds of Scots.

But that’s not really the point of Mad Men.

we talk about white privilege relative to nonwhites.

I remember in college hearing an Irish-American classmate protest that he wasn’t really white; he wasn’t an Englishman, and he didn’t have those privileges. It sounded ridiculous at the time, and even more so now. It was a narcissism of small differences, a person in a position of privilege desperately trying to claim the mantle of the underdog without enduring any actual oppression.

I suspect Dylan Matthews can think of an even better example than Irish-Americans of an even more economically privileged American ethnic group who like to talk about all the oppression they have suffered. But, then, how’s Rick Sanchez’s career going these days?

That’s what Sterling Cooper & Partners’ freakout at the prospect of being taken over by McCann feels like to me. SC&P wants to think of itself as an agile, nimble team of innovators who’ve been shaking up the industry and playing by their own rules. But as you say, Todd, they’re just another group of white guys (plus Joan and Peggy) painting the same Norman Rockwell visions of America as everyone else.

In 1963, in “Shut the Door. Have a Seat,” it’s easy to miss this, because the possibility of a real alternative to the model felt so faint, so hopeless. But in 1970, the counterculture is real. Black Power is real. Women’s liberation is real. Even gay liberation is real, if only just beginning (note the couple who greet Don at Diana’s former apartment). There is a world outside the tiny bubble in which firms like SC&P and McCann did battle, and splitting hairs within that bubble is starting to look rather ridiculous.

It does make me wish that the show lasted long enough to document advertising’s co-option of the counterculture, the moment when the traditional strategy of firms like SC&P and McCann began to fail and bursting out of their bubble became a business imperative.

You could also read this scene as Weiner self-parodying his own roiling but ridiculous ethnic resentments that provide him with the ethnocentric anger that fuels the admirable energy he brought to putting together Mad Men.

But does anybody get the joke?

 
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  1. Is it that Weiner’s clan is more privileged than anyone?
    Or that whites are still splitting hairs?

  2. • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Channeling Friedrich:

    "Blessed are the sleepy ones: for they shall soon drop off."

    Thus spoke Zarathustra.
     
  3. “Men talk of the extravagances and frenzies that have been produced by mysticism; they are a mere drop in the bucket. In the main, and from the beginning of time, mysticism has kept men sane.” ~ G. K. Chesterton

    What will drive you insane are mad women. Go with mysticism.

    Ehrman’s Commentary:
    Things will get worse before they get better.
    Who said things would get better?

  4. The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. ~ Albert Einstein

    We’re doing art and as a result science.

  5. In an earlier episode, the WASP-y Ken Cosgrove explains that he didn’t like working at McCann-Erickson because it is “too Irish” and he didn’t fit in.

    • Replies: @Enrique Cardova
    In an earlier episode, the WASP-y Ken Cosgrove explains that he didn’t like working at McCann-Erickson because it is “too Irish” and he didn’t fit in.

    Could be a personal thing but historically the Irish have been massive discriminators against other Americans including other white Americans. From the political machines that increased the corruption of America's big cities, to the cronyism and nepotism that monopolized government jobs and froze out other Americans, to the corrupt kickbacks, payoffs and manipulations of things like business licenses, government application of laws, etc etc. Other white Americans, including Jews, who refused to make the required payoffs were frozen out.

    "In the city's building trades such as plumbers and the masons, Irish-dominated unions adopted nepotistic membership requirements that kept out new arrivals... Similarly the Irish used their political connections to entrench themselves in both skilled and unskilled city government jobs for policemen, firefighters, rapid transit workers and school teachers, even before these workers had their unions recognized."

    As early as 1855 Irish men were the largest group of the cartmen of New York, including those that specialized in doing city work on sanitation, landfill road projects and the like. To be a private cartman one required a license; to work for the municipal government in particular one needed good connections. Even before the massive influx of the feminine Irish in 1843, the Democrat-dominated Common Council gave a large number of market licenses to Irish men, much to the chagrin of native American entrepreneurs."
    --FROM: Bayor and Meagher 1996, The New York Irish, 96-97

    "As a consequence, the public sector employed a full one-third of first, second and third-generation Irish Americans in 1930 compared with just 6 percent in 1900. This patronage helped produce a heavy concentration of Irish in jobs on the fire and police departments and in municipally owned subways, streetcars, waterworks and port facilities. Many of the city's Irish middle class worked on the public payroll, especially in the public schools, and thousands of others labored in construction jobs tied to city expenditures. For second-generation Irish-American women, jobs as schoolteachers were the most sought-after career. Such patronage policies would help to bind the Irish working class and much of the middle class Tammany Hall for another generation."
    --Bayor and Meagher 1996. The New York Irish, p. 313
     
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The white Irish also figured prominently in establishment of corrupt urban political machines – spread across America- from Daley in Chicago, to Frank Hague in Jersey City, and numerous places in between. Let’s look at Hague. Hague has a widely known reputation for corruption and bossism and has been called “the granddaddy of Jersey bosses.” By the time he left office in 1947, he enjoyed palatial homes, European vacations, and a private suite at the Plaza Hotel. His wealth has been estimated to have been over $10 million at the time of his death, although his City salary never exceeded $8,500 per year and he had no other legitimate source of income.

    During the height of his power Hague’s political machine, known as “the organization,” was one of the most powerful in the United States controlling politics on local, county, and state levels. Hague’s personal influence extended to the national level, influencing federal patronage and Presidential campaigns. The white Irish also greatly increased voter fraud in running America' big cities. Under Irish boss Hague for example, Jersey City had 160,050 registered voters, but only 147,000 people who were at least 21 years old—the legal voting age.
    (Sources: Jersey City's Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses...". Life. 1938-02-07. p. 45; Hague's End", TIME, 1949-05-23).

    White politicians like Hague caused massive tax burdens to be laid on hard-working white people, from Boston to Jersey. Indeed some of these taxes bankrupted certain businesses. (Jersey City's Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses...". Life. 1938-02-07) Other notorious white public feeders – some of the worse leaders in America- include Chicago’s “Big Bill” Thompson, and James Curley of Boston. But not to worry. In their footsteps followed people like Richard Daley and Governor Rod Blagojevich, now doing 14 years in prison. (See book- Gerald Leinwand 2004. Mackerels in the Moonlight: Four Corrupt American Mayors.)

    The white Irish also pioneered "official" or "legal" thuggery and abuse of civil liberties in running America' cities. Irish boss Hague for had a law passed requiring making political speeches to obtain clearance from the chief of police. A 1930 ordinance gave the public safety commissioner—Hague himself—the power to turn down permits for meetings if he felt it necessary to prevent "riots, disturbances or disorderly assemblage." The latter ordinance was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States, but continued to be enforced for several years after that decision. The white Irish police were also allowed to stop and search anyone without probable cause or a warrant after 9 pm. (Sources: Jersey City's Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses...". Life. 1938-02-07. p. 45).
  6. Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe, Henry Knox, Andrew Jackson, and James K. Polk were all various kinds of Scots.

    Not to mention that a Scottish dynasty ruled England for 200 years.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Or 85 years.
    , @Jacobite
    As well they should still.
  7. I once explained to someone that “white privilege” was the guarantee that in a line of 100 people after a job, I would be not further back than 85th.

    I believe that the word “privilege” is simply wrong in the contexts that it is used. Instead substitute “advantage” and almost every statement accords better with the situation in the real world.

    Try it with Matthews:

    “Today, we don’t talk about WASP privilege relative to Scots; we talk about white privilege relative to nonwhites,” becomes “today, we don’t talk about WASP advantage relative to Scots; we talk about white advantage relative to nonwhites.”

    Isn’t that better?

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    I believe that the word “privilege” is simply wrong in the contexts that it is used. Instead substitute “advantage” and almost every statement accords better with the situation in the real world.
     
    Whether the term is privilege or advantage, I don't get this avenue of attack. Given that Europeans created this nation and its institutions, and continue to be the dominant group, why is it surprising or considered inappropriate for Europeans to not have some privilege or advantage? It seems Europeans are being asked to give others preferential treatment and access to the institutions they created. Would other groups be expected to do the same in the nations they created? For example, would Jews in Israel be expected to give non-Jews every advantage Jews have? Would Jews in Israel be deemed to have Jewish privilege or advantage? I doubt it. So why then the constant attack on Europeans?
    , @Forbes

    the word “privilege” is simply wrong in the contexts that it is used. Instead substitute “advantage” and almost every statement accords better with the situation in the real world.
     
    A distinction without a difference.

    And the price of that privilege is that women and non-whites are to be preferred over white males in all walks of life, irrespective of merit, because white privilege, e.g. see: quotas, affirmative action, disparate impact, equal opportunity employment (dog whistle for "anyone but a straight, white male), et al. So, what's the "real world" advantage?
  8. No way this guy’s kids would make it into Greenwich Country Day.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxnt4qk

  9. @Taco

    Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe, Henry Knox, Andrew Jackson, and James K. Polk were all various kinds of Scots.
     
    Not to mention that a Scottish dynasty ruled England for 200 years.

    Or 85 years.

    • Replies: @Taco
    My mistake I meant 100. Circa 1600-1715, minus a decade of Cromwell and William III's last few years after Mary's death.
    , @AnotherDad
    Or even 74 years. Depends on who you believe.

    Being of a naturally republican sentiment, i say 74.

    (But you could argue it's 100 as well--James through Anne, minus Cromwell.)
  10. I didn’t see the Pete Campbell scene described by HBD Chick–it’s a joke right? The dialogue seems insane. No one in their right mind would create something so cheesy. Weiner didn’t really put that in, did he?–but I still don’t understand why few talk about the most revealing and (I think) interesting aspect of Weiner’s high school obsessions, self-created resentments and delusions and Mad Men:

    the creepy kid (played by Weiner’s real son) who stalks for more than a decade the shiksa blue eyed blond babes, Betty Draper and her daughter. That whole business was right out of a second-rate Philip Roth novel (without the self awareness or humor).

    • Replies: @hbd chick
    "No one in their right mind would create something so cheesy."

    honestly. it really was THAT cheesy! (>.<)
    , @Lagertha
    yes. this is why I lost interest in MM after season 5 - just could not stomach the gratuitous vomiting/urinating/black-out drinking/screwing/ yelling/ mean-spirited-desperate-humiliating conversations/creepy suicide/ smoking & coughing w/ hangover...AND, we had to also endure prepubescent voyeurism on TV which you just pointed out in your post.

    Several years ago I thought, "Jesus, why would Matt put his own son in the role of a voyeur?" However, oh, rats - stupid me, I forgot that I am an uber wasp - not Episcopalian, btw, which is "catholic-light" according to my neighbor, so I may be a bit prudish.

    Gross things are always gross things. MM was just a gross-out show with great set design and costumes, but why would the show's creator get his own child labeled for the rest of his life as the "creepy guy" in MM. How's that gonna look for admissions at Wes or anywhere else?

    Can't wait for Entourage, the movie! Happy days are here again!
    , @HHSIII
    Yup, the fact he used his own son for that creepy part was odd, especially because his son is a terrible actor, although suitably creepy.

    Yeah, the scene with the campbells and the prep school guy was odd, but kinda funny. Part of Pete winning back trudy. The odd thing about Pete and the supposed anti-semitic comment is that Pete was also the most progressive in a way (aside from Don's wild hairs). He deplored the way blacks were treated, etc.; it was Cooper who was a bit more old-fashioned in that regard.

    Having old How to Get Ahead in Business broadway Star play the doyenne Bert Cooper was a great touch.

    Also, one of the great lines from the show (and a real example of being able to have a funny line and also say, hey, they were racists back then, we're making fun of those old racists, not laughing with them) is when the old secretary, Miss Blankenship, is wondering why all the excitement about the Cassius Clay-Sonny Liston fight. She says in her old Thelma Ritter New York accent: "If I wanted to see 2 negroes fight I'd throw a dollar out the window."
  11. @Steve Sailer
    Or 85 years.

    My mistake I meant 100. Circa 1600-1715, minus a decade of Cromwell and William III’s last few years after Mary’s death.

  12. I tried to find an old quote about how every author thinks he’s able to write about the lives of the wealthy, but Louis Auchincloss was one of the few who knew their subject. Turns out he was a Scottish poser as well, hiding in plain sight.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/nyregion/28auchincloss.html

  13. The “narcissism of minor differences” (kleinen Differenzen) is one of the useful concepts from Freud (“Civilization and its Discontents” has a section on the concept.) But I think it has mostly to do with two people, or two nations, who are very similar and as a result go out of their way to oppose each other. Of course on a large scale, it can be used to explain national hostilities in Europe — including Jewish people construed as a nation — but it also goes to individual people. It doesn’t have so much to do with an Irishman claiming he isn’t “really” privileged because he’s not English, although, actually, I think the “narcissism of minor differences” as just stated explains a lot of the ethnic oneupmanship not only in Great Britain but in large parts of Europe as well.

    Of course, again, the concept as stated goes along with concepts of projection, hating someone precisely because they are so much like so, and similar aphorisms that pop up like dandelions in May in Nietzsche. Which Freud claims he never read.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Everything is relative, especially when it comes to whom you are related.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "The narcissism of minor differences", also known as ordinary pettiness when one gets down to it.
  14. Maybe Weiner just doesn’t get goys. Is that how he thinks some part-scottish WASP blue-bloods would have acted in 1970? Getting into a fist-fight over the MacDonald-Campbell feud? It’s ridiculous. I bet real scottish Highlanders in Scotland wouldn’t have done that, let alone Americans with a little scottish ancestry (if they’re WASP blue-bloods, they certainly can’t be all highlander).

    A lot of jewish writers seem somewhat clueless about certain aspects of gentile culture.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    A lot of jewish writers seem somewhat clueless about certain aspects of gentile culture.

     

    Exactly. Or maybe we should say non-culture. I mean that in a very positive way:

    Growing up I felt no cultural identity whatsoever, other than American. The first Jewish person I remember meeting was a friend from elementary school, who one day stopped and said to me, "I'm Jewish." I stood there confused and said something like, "okay," and then continued playing. I didn't learn until years later that my paternal grandfather was Jewish. Nobody had ever seemed to care, not even him. It was a footnote.

    I still believe that very many Americans still alive grew up like me, with no concern for these identities, these cultural or ethnic competitions. Yes, maybe that's because we were all mostly white goys. But, again, some of us were true mixes. That's really American to me.

    Christmas was presents, songs and a pretty tree. Easter was chocolates in a basket and colored eggs. These things are still true for me, and I could care less about any Weeeener's exaggerated concerns. There are more important things to worry about.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    They're only 'clueless' when it serves a larger purpose.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    "It’s ridiculous. I bet real scottish Highlanders in Scotland wouldn’t have done that,"

    As I was informed by some Glasgow bar patrons (one of whom was a MacDonald) during my trip to Scotland a decade ago, the MacDonald-Campbell feud is alive and well, albeit toned down a bit. More like a heated rivalry, really. The MacDonald fellow mentioned his clan's reputation for rowdiness, and as far as the Glencoe Massacre goes, admitted that they probably "had it comin'".
    , @Neil Templeton
    I think many Jewish writers are drawn to drama. See Old Testament.

    Neil
  15. Today, we don’t talk about WASP privilege relative to Scots;

    Did we ever? Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe, Henry Knox, Andrew Jackson, and James K. Polk were all various kinds of Scots.

    Yeah, as I never tire of pointing out, Scots vs WASPs has no meaning in America.It’s a distinction without a difference.A WASP with Scottish ancestry is a WASP, full stop.

    I remember in college hearing an Irish-American classmate protest that he wasn’t really white; he wasn’t an Englishman, and he didn’t have those privileges. It sounded ridiculous at the time, and even more so now. It was a narcissism of small differences, a person in a position of privilege desperately trying to claim the mantle of the underdog without enduring any actual oppression.

    I suspect Dylan Matthews can think of an even better example of a fairly privilege American group than Irish-Americans who like to talk about all the oppression they have suffered. But, then, how’s Rick Sanchez’s career going these days?

    Yeah, it’s pretty amazing how he had the self-control to not go there.Impressive feat of self-censorship.That being said, there are Irish-American guys who try to pull that kind of nonsense (cf Tom Hayden).Lots of people would like to get in on the flight from White.

    You could also read this scene as Weiner self-parodying his own roiling but ridiculous ethnic resentments that provide his admirable energy driving him to put together Mad Men.

    Self-awareness vs self-deception.Great art comes from self-awareness (cf how F. Scott Fitzgerald could mock what he actually believed ). But self-deception seems to be more financially rewarding.

    And, while I’m here.I finally caught up with the last two eps of Mad Men.Not very good.Although I did really enjoy how Don Draper’s trip to Esalen led not to enlightenment but only to the creation of the ultimate groovy-’70s TV ad:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27d_Like_to_Teach_the_World_to_Sing_%28In_Perfect_Harmony%29

    Still, the end to the series was nowhere near as good as the last episode of the first season:

    Proof that art prefers brevity.So, to anyone who hasn’t seen Mad Men, the first season is the echt season.There’s still good stuff later on, but it’s not quite as sterling….

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Great scene.

    I've got a dozen or two Kodak carousels of slides from the 1960s-1970s that I'm slowly having digitized by Costco.
    , @syonredux
    Since I linked to the Kodak scene from the first season of Mad Men, here's the ending to the series finale:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exf63KPXF6w


    And here's the Kodak scene again:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suRDUFpsHus

    And here's Benjamin Schwarz (from his Atlantic piece on Mad Men, easily the best article on the show, clearly delineating both its strengths and its weaknesses) on the Kodak scene:

    Don Draper is also consistently true to the past the writers have established for him. Some critics find his appealing unflappability implausible, and they fault the show for sacrificing its commitment to verisimilitude in the interest of maintaining the lead actor’s appeal. They fail to grasp that Don—whose entire identity is a fabrication—would have to possess preternatural cool. He’s always on. In the single most affecting scene of the entire series, Don pitches an advertising campaign to Kodak. He’s projecting slides of his children and his wife as he talks—tears welling, his voice slightly quivering—about the ache of memory. It’s a deeply poignant scene, made even more so by the modulation of Don’s emotions. And it’s a bravura performance by Hamm—of Don’s bravura performance (watch Don’s persona shift as he slips into the pitch). Viewers feel, and want to feel, that Don’s emotion is genuine—but they also know that Don is selling himself, and that it could all be an act.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/11/mad-about-mad-men/307709/

    As Schwarz's article indicates, the power of the scene lies in how it combines sincerity with insincerity, art with hucksterism.Don is delivering a speech with great power and artistry.But it is art and artistry in service to advertising.And the pathos of the scene gains force from the fact that the images of the happy family are not stock photographs culled from the TIME-LIFE library.No, they are images of Don's own family, the family that he is in the process of losing.Yet he is using that genuine emotion to sell a product, which means that he is, in a sense, selling his family, or, at least, commercializing the bond that he feels for them. In the world of advertising, everything works in service of the product, even a father's love for his children.

    The ESALEN, scene, though, lacks that tension between genuine emotion and commerce.It has the cynicism of the former scene, but not the heart.

    On the other hand, though, maybe it works as a commentary by Weiner on the show itself? The art was in the first season.After that, the product took over.
  16. After the Border Wars ceased in the 1500’s, my impression is that the relationship between the Scots and English has mainly been one of friendly rivalry. An example is when Dr. Johnson tried to poke fun at the Scots with his definition of oats in his dictionary:

    A grain, which in England is generally given to horses, but in Scotland supports the people.

    Samuel Johnson always used to love trolling the Scots. But he who laughs last, etc…

    ‘Aye’ replies the Scot, ‘that’s why the English have the finest horses, and the Scottish have the strongest men.’

    This scene from Mad Men is a good reason to stop watching TV. At least don’t waste money on cable.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Yes, Americans seem to take Braveheart too seriously. Was never any chance Scotland would vote to leave the Union. Really Scotland is not some oppressed and occupied country,
  17. @syonredux

    Today, we don’t talk about WASP privilege relative to Scots;

    Did we ever? Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe, Henry Knox, Andrew Jackson, and James K. Polk were all various kinds of Scots.
     
    Yeah, as I never tire of pointing out, Scots vs WASPs has no meaning in America.It's a distinction without a difference.A WASP with Scottish ancestry is a WASP, full stop.

    I remember in college hearing an Irish-American classmate protest that he wasn’t really white; he wasn’t an Englishman, and he didn’t have those privileges. It sounded ridiculous at the time, and even more so now. It was a narcissism of small differences, a person in a position of privilege desperately trying to claim the mantle of the underdog without enduring any actual oppression.

    I suspect Dylan Matthews can think of an even better example of a fairly privilege American group than Irish-Americans who like to talk about all the oppression they have suffered. But, then, how’s Rick Sanchez’s career going these days?
     
    Yeah, it's pretty amazing how he had the self-control to not go there.Impressive feat of self-censorship.That being said, there are Irish-American guys who try to pull that kind of nonsense (cf Tom Hayden).Lots of people would like to get in on the flight from White.

    You could also read this scene as Weiner self-parodying his own roiling but ridiculous ethnic resentments that provide his admirable energy driving him to put together Mad Men.
     
    Self-awareness vs self-deception.Great art comes from self-awareness (cf how F. Scott Fitzgerald could mock what he actually believed ). But self-deception seems to be more financially rewarding.



    And, while I'm here.I finally caught up with the last two eps of Mad Men.Not very good.Although I did really enjoy how Don Draper's trip to Esalen led not to enlightenment but only to the creation of the ultimate groovy-'70s TV ad:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27d_Like_to_Teach_the_World_to_Sing_%28In_Perfect_Harmony%29

    Still, the end to the series was nowhere near as good as the last episode of the first season:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suRDUFpsHus

    Proof that art prefers brevity.So, to anyone who hasn't seen Mad Men, the first season is the echt season.There's still good stuff later on, but it's not quite as sterling....

    Great scene.

    I’ve got a dozen or two Kodak carousels of slides from the 1960s-1970s that I’m slowly having digitized by Costco.

    • Replies: @Busby
    DIY. For $100 you can get a device that takes a JPEG of the slide and stores it in a memory card. I scanned almost 30 carousels over a couple of months while watching TV. My cost, not including my time, less than $.07 each. Pro services I've seen were $.25 or more. Plus I could edit as I went.
  18. @SPMoore8
    The "narcissism of minor differences" (kleinen Differenzen) is one of the useful concepts from Freud ("Civilization and its Discontents" has a section on the concept.) But I think it has mostly to do with two people, or two nations, who are very similar and as a result go out of their way to oppose each other. Of course on a large scale, it can be used to explain national hostilities in Europe -- including Jewish people construed as a nation -- but it also goes to individual people. It doesn't have so much to do with an Irishman claiming he isn't "really" privileged because he's not English, although, actually, I think the "narcissism of minor differences" as just stated explains a lot of the ethnic oneupmanship not only in Great Britain but in large parts of Europe as well.

    Of course, again, the concept as stated goes along with concepts of projection, hating someone precisely because they are so much like so, and similar aphorisms that pop up like dandelions in May in Nietzsche. Which Freud claims he never read.

    Everything is relative, especially when it comes to whom you are related.

  19. You could also read this scene as Weiner self-parodying his own roiling but ridiculous ethnic resentments that provide him with the ethnocentric anger that fuels the admirable energy he brought to putting together Mad Men.

    Steve, you’ve often commented on Weiner’s strangely lowball estimate on the number of Jews at Harvard-Westlake, how perhaps this reflects his take on how people like Jamie Lee Curtis shouldn’t be counted as part of the Tribe. Maybe this is Weiner projecting that kind of parsing onto the hated WASPs? If he’s that enraged over half-Jews being counted as Jews, who knows what he imagines WASPs think about Scottish interlopers and Highland rivalries?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syon

    To be fair, Jamie Lee Curtis is a lot of things...while also being their antipode. Perhaps intersexed. A goy/Jew hybrid (which is another way of saying 100% White, for most people). Bisexual (ask the staff at Spago about her nights with Jodie Foster in the 90s).

    Duality can be disagreeable. Other times it can be illusory. I'm sure Weiner would think the second point on Jamie Lee's checklist was the most relevant and the most "real"; when Plato's forms meet the Kosher id, then.
  20. “Campbell Hall alumni include director Paul Thomas Anderson, Molly Ringwald, the Olsen twins, and the Fanning sisters.”

    And a couple of current NBAers, one of whom went on to UCLA for a whole year.

    “Harvard-Westlake’s geographically closest social rival is Campbell Hall Episcopal School on Laurel Canyon (tuition $34,400), although Campbell Hall lags Harvard-Westlake in academic rigor.”

    Actor Charlton Heston’s grandson Jack is a recent graduate of Harvard-Westlake (’09), and yet I continue to wonder how on earth a family of NBAers can send three of their kids to Campbell Hall, if they are not particularly wealthy. (of course they could happen to be among the top one percent of African-Americans who happen to work in the film industry). That CH is academically inferior to Harvard-Westlake is certain, since Steve didn’t mention CH when he wrote about National Merit Scholars in California’s best public/private high schools. Therefore it is safe to say that CA doesn’t generally produce a lot of academic geniuses who are Ivy bound.

    Is Campbell-Hall that desperate to win HS basketball titles that they throw overboard academic admissions as well as waiving the annual cost of tuition of 34kplus per yr for three kids of the same family?

    Honestly, that doesn’t add up. If this were the Bush clan it would of course be understandable. If it were Hollywood royalty it would also be understandable. But accepting in any old student just because they can point guard, center, or power forward better than 14yr olds in the entire Valley area?

    I think there’s more to this story than is well known outside of SoCal.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that the Hollidays are a respectable middle class black family of great athletes. The majority of prep schools in the country would love to give athletic scholarships to siblings like that.
    , @Ivy
    With a tip of the hat to the Campbell origins, they all received the Last King of Scotland scholarship.
    , @Forbes
    Private schools all around the country all fully on-board the progressive mission of diversity, and hand out financial aid/discounted tuition to "underserved" populations. The reason the sticker price is $30,000+ is because many aren't paying full price. On the other hand, rarely do these school give free rides, if only to demonstrate the family's sacrifice as an indication of commitment--the last thing the school wants is a wash-out from underserved students.

    As on college campuses, why do you think affirmative action bake sales are controversial?
    Truth hurts.
  21. @E. Harding
    Steve, amazing lack of self-awareness here:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2015/05/28/reduce-prejudices-sleep/

    Channeling Friedrich:

    “Blessed are the sleepy ones: for they shall soon drop off.”

    Thus spoke Zarathustra.

  22. @SPMoore8
    The "narcissism of minor differences" (kleinen Differenzen) is one of the useful concepts from Freud ("Civilization and its Discontents" has a section on the concept.) But I think it has mostly to do with two people, or two nations, who are very similar and as a result go out of their way to oppose each other. Of course on a large scale, it can be used to explain national hostilities in Europe -- including Jewish people construed as a nation -- but it also goes to individual people. It doesn't have so much to do with an Irishman claiming he isn't "really" privileged because he's not English, although, actually, I think the "narcissism of minor differences" as just stated explains a lot of the ethnic oneupmanship not only in Great Britain but in large parts of Europe as well.

    Of course, again, the concept as stated goes along with concepts of projection, hating someone precisely because they are so much like so, and similar aphorisms that pop up like dandelions in May in Nietzsche. Which Freud claims he never read.

    “The narcissism of minor differences”, also known as ordinary pettiness when one gets down to it.

  23. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Campbell Hall alumni include director Paul Thomas Anderson, Molly Ringwald, the Olsen twins, and the Fanning sisters."

    And a couple of current NBAers, one of whom went on to UCLA for a whole year.


    "Harvard-Westlake’s geographically closest social rival is Campbell Hall Episcopal School on Laurel Canyon (tuition $34,400), although Campbell Hall lags Harvard-Westlake in academic rigor."

    Actor Charlton Heston's grandson Jack is a recent graduate of Harvard-Westlake ('09), and yet I continue to wonder how on earth a family of NBAers can send three of their kids to Campbell Hall, if they are not particularly wealthy. (of course they could happen to be among the top one percent of African-Americans who happen to work in the film industry). That CH is academically inferior to Harvard-Westlake is certain, since Steve didn't mention CH when he wrote about National Merit Scholars in California's best public/private high schools. Therefore it is safe to say that CA doesn't generally produce a lot of academic geniuses who are Ivy bound.

    Is Campbell-Hall that desperate to win HS basketball titles that they throw overboard academic admissions as well as waiving the annual cost of tuition of 34kplus per yr for three kids of the same family?

    Honestly, that doesn't add up. If this were the Bush clan it would of course be understandable. If it were Hollywood royalty it would also be understandable. But accepting in any old student just because they can point guard, center, or power forward better than 14yr olds in the entire Valley area?

    I think there's more to this story than is well known outside of SoCal.

    My impression is that the Hollidays are a respectable middle class black family of great athletes. The majority of prep schools in the country would love to give athletic scholarships to siblings like that.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    But come on. Not all three of them. CH is willing to waive its annual tuition of 34k per yr? For basketball? Seriously? I wasn't born last night. Private Schools tend not to just waive the price of admission to nobodies.

    Unless of course CH is somewhat sensitive of its student body being around, oh, 97%+ white and well....Affirmative Action, even in prep schools.

    I mean, you do have to actually have a fairly high IQ for elite private schools of somewhat rigorous academic quality (unless you're in the top 1% already and then they look the other way. After all, if Bill Gates' son Jr or BGIII isn't all that sharp, but daddy donates a new library, safe to say that #III is in the fall's incoming freshman class).

    It doesn't add up, Steve. There has to be something else going on and perhaps is only known to those within the Valley area. Unless they are in the top 1% of income, it simply doesn't make sense, barring Affirmative Action, needing some tokens in their predominantly white student body, etc. PG; C; and PFs are a dime a dozen. Couldn't CH have gotten Kevin Love, for example?

    Funny thing, the kids aren't all that in the NBA. Are they as big as Lebron?
    No. In fact you never hear their names in national sports news of any significant amount.
    Even Jason Collins received far more national attention yr before last then they have which sort of says it all.

    , @Polearm
    I found out recently that guard Mike Conley also comes from an extrodinarily distinguished family.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conley_family

    , @HHSIII
    Yup. Kyrie Irving started high school at Montclair Kimberly Academy in New Jersey.
  24. @Steve Sailer
    Or 85 years.

    Or even 74 years. Depends on who you believe.

    Being of a naturally republican sentiment, i say 74.

    (But you could argue it’s 100 as well–James through Anne, minus Cromwell.)

    • Replies: @Jacobite
    One must always remember both the '15 and the '45! Dr. Johnson, by the way, is suspected of having actually been "out in '45."
    , @Taco

    (But you could argue it’s 100 as well–James through Anne, minus Cromwell.)
     
    Also, I'm not sure you can count the last few years of William of Orange's reign. His dynastic claim may have been Stuart, but he certainly was not Scottish.
  25. @Taco

    Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe, Henry Knox, Andrew Jackson, and James K. Polk were all various kinds of Scots.
     
    Not to mention that a Scottish dynasty ruled England for 200 years.

    As well they should still.

    • Replies: @random observer
    Well, one could argue for pure agnatic primogeniture after the French Legitimist customs, and I would sympathize on many levels.

    But succession to both the English and the Scottish crowns had been manipulated through acts of the respective parliaments before, going right back to medieval times. [More anciently, the Scots had tanistry as well and the Saxons had a sort of it, but let's stick with medieval Norman style monarchy as it evolved after the 11th century]. Granted, generally with more impetus coming from a reigning monarch manipulating his own succession, but also with royal dynasts and aristocrats politicking over it too. The basic precedent that parliament could be at least the forum for settling the dispute and the instrument for legislating it existed by at least the 14th century in England and not much later in Scotland.

    Henry VIII used his will to manipulate the ranking of his heirs, itself a violation of pure primogeniture under which the monarch would not choose his successor. Henry got his will passed as an act of parliament. When his son Edward VI, knowing he was dying young, tried to disinherit his sisters Mary [because Catholic] and Elizabeth [Protestant but Edward's case against Mary relied on both sisters being illegitimate] in favour of his cousins in the Grey family, there was uproar. And not just for the pragmatic reason that Mary had allies with arms. The public was even outraged that Mary's rights were to be violated, because Edward had neglected to get his will enacted by parliament so as to override his father's. So Henry's will lived on.

    Now, all of that and earlier precedent created the notion that parliament could be used to legitimize a king's choice of successor, and to adjudicate disputes thereon. What it did not do was create the precedent that parliament could either depose a king in place, or end the monarchy altogether. Quite apart from the fact that the 1660 settlement introduced a period of political reaction, from a strict constitutional perspective only a parliament called by the king is legal, and its powers are not wholly separable. So how could the actions of the rump in 1649 be lawful? It had no authority to do that, nor then to govern alone. What parliament COULD do, when the survivors of the Long parliament assembled in full in 1660, was recognize that Charles II was king and ask him to return to take up his office.

    Apply all that to 1688 and what does it produce? Parliament cannot depose a king nor change the dynasty completely with any kind of precedent. But it can identify a successor from among the heirs of a former king and it possibly can declare the throne vacant [I feel there was 15th century precedent at minimum for that]. It has also been used many times before to legislate on religious matters and to uphold the king's supremacy over a protestant church.

    So my interpretation would be: Parliament could not abolish the crown and still cannot. It sits by right of being summoned as well as by election. Parliament could not [arguably] lawfully depose James II, although his oaths and obligations and his actions in upholding them were certainly disputable in matters of both law and religion. It could not disinherit all heirs of former monarchs and select someone without blood descent or of unrelated foreign descent [arguably]. But it could require the king follow his oaths, it could uphold constitutional precedent against him, it might have found precedent for ejecting him on these bases, but in his fortuitous decision to flee and toss the seal in the river he gave serious heft to their declaration that he had constructively abdicated. His decision to go and carry on in his Irish realm and to levy war against England could be considered refutation of that, but then it would also be considered raising an army to suppress England in violation of his oaths. So with the throne vacant, parliament could identify a successor, and it would be within its rights and duties to identify successors from among the royal family who would fulfill the coronation oaths to the law and the Protestant religion.

    Parliament was obliged to defend the Protestant identity of church and state, and it found monarchs who would do that. And all from the royal house. Mary and Anne were James' own daughters, and William was a descendant of the Stuarts in his own right. The Hanoverians were not a random choice after Anne died either. They were the genealogically nearest heirs of James I, and through him via the Stuarts back to Henry VII of England, who would uphold the customary laws and religious settlement that parliament was bound to defend. And by prior monarchs at that.

    Sorry to be long winded. Given time, I might be able to expel all that more clearly.

    At any rate, genealogy being what it is, the traditional Anglo-Scottish custom of agnatic male-preference primogeniture without regard to 1688 would indeed produce Jacobite heirs more senior than the descendants of Sophia of Hanover, but they'd also be Germans. It's been the Wittelsbach house of Bavaria for over a century now.
  26. @Mr. Anon
    Maybe Weiner just doesn't get goys. Is that how he thinks some part-scottish WASP blue-bloods would have acted in 1970? Getting into a fist-fight over the MacDonald-Campbell feud? It's ridiculous. I bet real scottish Highlanders in Scotland wouldn't have done that, let alone Americans with a little scottish ancestry (if they're WASP blue-bloods, they certainly can't be all highlander).

    A lot of jewish writers seem somewhat clueless about certain aspects of gentile culture.

    A lot of jewish writers seem somewhat clueless about certain aspects of gentile culture.

    Exactly. Or maybe we should say non-culture. I mean that in a very positive way:

    Growing up I felt no cultural identity whatsoever, other than American. The first Jewish person I remember meeting was a friend from elementary school, who one day stopped and said to me, “I’m Jewish.” I stood there confused and said something like, “okay,” and then continued playing. I didn’t learn until years later that my paternal grandfather was Jewish. Nobody had ever seemed to care, not even him. It was a footnote.

    I still believe that very many Americans still alive grew up like me, with no concern for these identities, these cultural or ethnic competitions. Yes, maybe that’s because we were all mostly white goys. But, again, some of us were true mixes. That’s really American to me.

    Christmas was presents, songs and a pretty tree. Easter was chocolates in a basket and colored eggs. These things are still true for me, and I could care less about any Weeeener’s exaggerated concerns. There are more important things to worry about.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Yeah. Even if it keeps me from joining the manosphere, I have to admit getting two sets of presents in holiday season was fun.

    Long live the pizzabagel!
    , @Forbes

    Growing up I felt no cultural identity whatsoever, other than American.
     
    Yup. Though I grew up with many Jews. My brother and I carpooled to private school with Jews. The Catholics in the neighborhood went to parochial school.

    I still believe that very many Americans still alive grew up like me, with no concern for these identities, these cultural or ethnic competitions.

     

    Yup. I lived in Denver after grad school (the '80s), and when someone asked where you were from, it meant "what state." After moving to NYC, people ask where you're from, and they mean "what country, what's your ethnic heritage." It's obsessive. I tell them I'm an American. I've even had some (not many) argue with me about that reply, as if I'm supposed to have a pride associated with some foreign culture not my own. Bizarre.
  27. @Mr. Anon
    Maybe Weiner just doesn't get goys. Is that how he thinks some part-scottish WASP blue-bloods would have acted in 1970? Getting into a fist-fight over the MacDonald-Campbell feud? It's ridiculous. I bet real scottish Highlanders in Scotland wouldn't have done that, let alone Americans with a little scottish ancestry (if they're WASP blue-bloods, they certainly can't be all highlander).

    A lot of jewish writers seem somewhat clueless about certain aspects of gentile culture.

    They’re only ‘clueless’ when it serves a larger purpose.

  28. @Buzz Mohawk

    A lot of jewish writers seem somewhat clueless about certain aspects of gentile culture.

     

    Exactly. Or maybe we should say non-culture. I mean that in a very positive way:

    Growing up I felt no cultural identity whatsoever, other than American. The first Jewish person I remember meeting was a friend from elementary school, who one day stopped and said to me, "I'm Jewish." I stood there confused and said something like, "okay," and then continued playing. I didn't learn until years later that my paternal grandfather was Jewish. Nobody had ever seemed to care, not even him. It was a footnote.

    I still believe that very many Americans still alive grew up like me, with no concern for these identities, these cultural or ethnic competitions. Yes, maybe that's because we were all mostly white goys. But, again, some of us were true mixes. That's really American to me.

    Christmas was presents, songs and a pretty tree. Easter was chocolates in a basket and colored eggs. These things are still true for me, and I could care less about any Weeeener's exaggerated concerns. There are more important things to worry about.

    Yeah. Even if it keeps me from joining the manosphere, I have to admit getting two sets of presents in holiday season was fun.

    Long live the pizzabagel!

  29. @albert magnus
    In an earlier episode, the WASP-y Ken Cosgrove explains that he didn't like working at McCann-Erickson because it is "too Irish" and he didn't fit in.

    In an earlier episode, the WASP-y Ken Cosgrove explains that he didn’t like working at McCann-Erickson because it is “too Irish” and he didn’t fit in.

    Could be a personal thing but historically the Irish have been massive discriminators against other Americans including other white Americans. From the political machines that increased the corruption of America’s big cities, to the cronyism and nepotism that monopolized government jobs and froze out other Americans, to the corrupt kickbacks, payoffs and manipulations of things like business licenses, government application of laws, etc etc. Other white Americans, including Jews, who refused to make the required payoffs were frozen out.

    “In the city’s building trades such as plumbers and the masons, Irish-dominated unions adopted nepotistic membership requirements that kept out new arrivals… Similarly the Irish used their political connections to entrench themselves in both skilled and unskilled city government jobs for policemen, firefighters, rapid transit workers and school teachers, even before these workers had their unions recognized.”

    As early as 1855 Irish men were the largest group of the cartmen of New York, including those that specialized in doing city work on sanitation, landfill road projects and the like. To be a private cartman one required a license; to work for the municipal government in particular one needed good connections. Even before the massive influx of the feminine Irish in 1843, the Democrat-dominated Common Council gave a large number of market licenses to Irish men, much to the chagrin of native American entrepreneurs.”
    –FROM: Bayor and Meagher 1996, The New York Irish, 96-97

    “As a consequence, the public sector employed a full one-third of first, second and third-generation Irish Americans in 1930 compared with just 6 percent in 1900. This patronage helped produce a heavy concentration of Irish in jobs on the fire and police departments and in municipally owned subways, streetcars, waterworks and port facilities. Many of the city’s Irish middle class worked on the public payroll, especially in the public schools, and thousands of others labored in construction jobs tied to city expenditures. For second-generation Irish-American women, jobs as schoolteachers were the most sought-after career. Such patronage policies would help to bind the Irish working class and much of the middle class Tammany Hall for another generation.”
    –Bayor and Meagher 1996. The New York Irish, p. 313

    ———————————————————————————

    The white Irish also figured prominently in establishment of corrupt urban political machines – spread across America- from Daley in Chicago, to Frank Hague in Jersey City, and numerous places in between. Let’s look at Hague. Hague has a widely known reputation for corruption and bossism and has been called “the granddaddy of Jersey bosses.” By the time he left office in 1947, he enjoyed palatial homes, European vacations, and a private suite at the Plaza Hotel. His wealth has been estimated to have been over $10 million at the time of his death, although his City salary never exceeded $8,500 per year and he had no other legitimate source of income.

    During the height of his power Hague’s political machine, known as “the organization,” was one of the most powerful in the United States controlling politics on local, county, and state levels. Hague’s personal influence extended to the national level, influencing federal patronage and Presidential campaigns. The white Irish also greatly increased voter fraud in running America’ big cities. Under Irish boss Hague for example, Jersey City had 160,050 registered voters, but only 147,000 people who were at least 21 years old—the legal voting age.
    (Sources: Jersey City’s Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses…”. Life. 1938-02-07. p. 45; Hague’s End”, TIME, 1949-05-23).

    White politicians like Hague caused massive tax burdens to be laid on hard-working white people, from Boston to Jersey. Indeed some of these taxes bankrupted certain businesses. (Jersey City’s Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses…”. Life. 1938-02-07) Other notorious white public feeders – some of the worse leaders in America- include Chicago’s “Big Bill” Thompson, and James Curley of Boston. But not to worry. In their footsteps followed people like Richard Daley and Governor Rod Blagojevich, now doing 14 years in prison. (See book- Gerald Leinwand 2004. Mackerels in the Moonlight: Four Corrupt American Mayors.)

    The white Irish also pioneered “official” or “legal” thuggery and abuse of civil liberties in running America’ cities. Irish boss Hague for had a law passed requiring making political speeches to obtain clearance from the chief of police. A 1930 ordinance gave the public safety commissioner—Hague himself—the power to turn down permits for meetings if he felt it necessary to prevent “riots, disturbances or disorderly assemblage.” The latter ordinance was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States, but continued to be enforced for several years after that decision. The white Irish police were also allowed to stop and search anyone without probable cause or a warrant after 9 pm. (Sources: Jersey City’s Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses…”. Life. 1938-02-07. p. 45).

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    Don't lay the blame for political corruption on the Irish. They found it when they got here. The word "gerrymandering" is derived from an early WASP governor, Eldridge Gerry, of Massachusetts. Boss Tweed was another WASP boss. Negro and Hispanic political machines have taken corruption to levels not even imagined by their Irish predecessors.
    , @Hibernian
    Thompson was a Republican and not Irish. He was corrupt and mob connected. He had many Irish allies and he appealed to the Irish using anti-British sentiment.
  30. @syonredux

    Today, we don’t talk about WASP privilege relative to Scots;

    Did we ever? Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe, Henry Knox, Andrew Jackson, and James K. Polk were all various kinds of Scots.
     
    Yeah, as I never tire of pointing out, Scots vs WASPs has no meaning in America.It's a distinction without a difference.A WASP with Scottish ancestry is a WASP, full stop.

    I remember in college hearing an Irish-American classmate protest that he wasn’t really white; he wasn’t an Englishman, and he didn’t have those privileges. It sounded ridiculous at the time, and even more so now. It was a narcissism of small differences, a person in a position of privilege desperately trying to claim the mantle of the underdog without enduring any actual oppression.

    I suspect Dylan Matthews can think of an even better example of a fairly privilege American group than Irish-Americans who like to talk about all the oppression they have suffered. But, then, how’s Rick Sanchez’s career going these days?
     
    Yeah, it's pretty amazing how he had the self-control to not go there.Impressive feat of self-censorship.That being said, there are Irish-American guys who try to pull that kind of nonsense (cf Tom Hayden).Lots of people would like to get in on the flight from White.

    You could also read this scene as Weiner self-parodying his own roiling but ridiculous ethnic resentments that provide his admirable energy driving him to put together Mad Men.
     
    Self-awareness vs self-deception.Great art comes from self-awareness (cf how F. Scott Fitzgerald could mock what he actually believed ). But self-deception seems to be more financially rewarding.



    And, while I'm here.I finally caught up with the last two eps of Mad Men.Not very good.Although I did really enjoy how Don Draper's trip to Esalen led not to enlightenment but only to the creation of the ultimate groovy-'70s TV ad:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27d_Like_to_Teach_the_World_to_Sing_%28In_Perfect_Harmony%29

    Still, the end to the series was nowhere near as good as the last episode of the first season:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suRDUFpsHus

    Proof that art prefers brevity.So, to anyone who hasn't seen Mad Men, the first season is the echt season.There's still good stuff later on, but it's not quite as sterling....

    Since I linked to the Kodak scene from the first season of Mad Men, here’s the ending to the series finale:

    And here’s the Kodak scene again:

    And here’s Benjamin Schwarz (from his Atlantic piece on Mad Men, easily the best article on the show, clearly delineating both its strengths and its weaknesses) on the Kodak scene:

    Don Draper is also consistently true to the past the writers have established for him. Some critics find his appealing unflappability implausible, and they fault the show for sacrificing its commitment to verisimilitude in the interest of maintaining the lead actor’s appeal. They fail to grasp that Don—whose entire identity is a fabrication—would have to possess preternatural cool. He’s always on. In the single most affecting scene of the entire series, Don pitches an advertising campaign to Kodak. He’s projecting slides of his children and his wife as he talks—tears welling, his voice slightly quivering—about the ache of memory. It’s a deeply poignant scene, made even more so by the modulation of Don’s emotions. And it’s a bravura performance by Hamm—of Don’s bravura performance (watch Don’s persona shift as he slips into the pitch). Viewers feel, and want to feel, that Don’s emotion is genuine—but they also know that Don is selling himself, and that it could all be an act.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/11/mad-about-mad-men/307709/

    As Schwarz’s article indicates, the power of the scene lies in how it combines sincerity with insincerity, art with hucksterism.Don is delivering a speech with great power and artistry.But it is art and artistry in service to advertising.And the pathos of the scene gains force from the fact that the images of the happy family are not stock photographs culled from the TIME-LIFE library.No, they are images of Don’s own family, the family that he is in the process of losing.Yet he is using that genuine emotion to sell a product, which means that he is, in a sense, selling his family, or, at least, commercializing the bond that he feels for them. In the world of advertising, everything works in service of the product, even a father’s love for his children.

    The ESALEN, scene, though, lacks that tension between genuine emotion and commerce.It has the cynicism of the former scene, but not the heart.

    On the other hand, though, maybe it works as a commentary by Weiner on the show itself? The art was in the first season.After that, the product took over.

  31. @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that the Hollidays are a respectable middle class black family of great athletes. The majority of prep schools in the country would love to give athletic scholarships to siblings like that.

    But come on. Not all three of them. CH is willing to waive its annual tuition of 34k per yr? For basketball? Seriously? I wasn’t born last night. Private Schools tend not to just waive the price of admission to nobodies.

    Unless of course CH is somewhat sensitive of its student body being around, oh, 97%+ white and well….Affirmative Action, even in prep schools.

    I mean, you do have to actually have a fairly high IQ for elite private schools of somewhat rigorous academic quality (unless you’re in the top 1% already and then they look the other way. After all, if Bill Gates’ son Jr or BGIII isn’t all that sharp, but daddy donates a new library, safe to say that #III is in the fall’s incoming freshman class).

    It doesn’t add up, Steve. There has to be something else going on and perhaps is only known to those within the Valley area. Unless they are in the top 1% of income, it simply doesn’t make sense, barring Affirmative Action, needing some tokens in their predominantly white student body, etc. PG; C; and PFs are a dime a dozen. Couldn’t CH have gotten Kevin Love, for example?

    Funny thing, the kids aren’t all that in the NBA. Are they as big as Lebron?
    No. In fact you never hear their names in national sports news of any significant amount.
    Even Jason Collins received far more national attention yr before last then they have which sort of says it all.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Prep schools give scholarships all the time to athletes. Heck, they'll give a job to a parent who has a lot of good athlete kids. For example, Toby Gerhart of Stanford and NFL is one of six siblings, all good athletes. Their dad got the head coaching job at Corona Centennial.

    Campbell Hall hit the jackpot with the Holiday family of four basketball-playing siblings:

    "Holiday's parents, Shawn and Toya -- Toya is currently the ninth-grade dean and assistant athletic director at Campbell Hall -- were both college basketball players. Toya DeCree was a one-time Pac-10 Player of the Year at Arizona State, where she and Shawn played for a time, each moving on to different schools, Toya to U.S. International and Shawn to Division II Cal State-Los Angeles. Their four kids -- Justin, the oldest who is currently looking for a return to pro basketball either in Europe or the D-League after being released by Utah in the preseason -- Jrue, Lauren, a sophomore on the UCLA team, and Aaron, said by parents and siblings to be the best of them all, still at Campbell Hall."

    http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2013/11/almost_from_birth_new_orleans.html

  32. @AnotherDad
    Or even 74 years. Depends on who you believe.

    Being of a naturally republican sentiment, i say 74.

    (But you could argue it's 100 as well--James through Anne, minus Cromwell.)

    One must always remember both the ’15 and the ’45! Dr. Johnson, by the way, is suspected of having actually been “out in ’45.”

    • Replies: @Drawbacks
    There's a statue of Bonnie Prince Charlie in Derby (as far south as the '45 got) with an inscription of Dr Johnson's statement that it had been "a noble attempt."
  33. n/a says: • Website

    “The Clan Campbell — Scots who allied with the English crown — is a wonderful metaphor for this. Pete isn’t a real WASP, not on his father’s side at least. He will never be at the top of the social ladder. If the Upper East Side elite were the Mafia, he’d never be a made man. [. . .] Today, we don’t talk about WASP privilege relative to Scots; we talk about white privilege relative to nonwhites.”

    Dylan Matthews is, of course, deeply confused. There was never “WASP privilege relative to Scots”, and Scottish ancestry never disqualified someone from membership in the American elite. “WASP” is a term that was invented in the middle of the twentieth century to refer to the people who had previously simply been known as Americans.

    • Replies: @Drawbacks
    I believe there were anti-Scottish riots in Massachusetts in the 18th century, but it's hard to think Scottish ancestry's been any kind of handicap in the last couple of centuries. There's always room for a bit of one-upmanship and petty resentments, though. (See my Bonfire of the Vanities quote, above.)
  34. @AnotherDad
    Or even 74 years. Depends on who you believe.

    Being of a naturally republican sentiment, i say 74.

    (But you could argue it's 100 as well--James through Anne, minus Cromwell.)

    (But you could argue it’s 100 as well–James through Anne, minus Cromwell.)

    Also, I’m not sure you can count the last few years of William of Orange’s reign. His dynastic claim may have been Stuart, but he certainly was not Scottish.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Queen Anne was a Stuart and she reigned until 1714. William of Orange was not official sole Monarch, but with his Stuart wife (Anne's sister): William and Mary.

    Of course, after 1688, being monarch was less powerful, but it was still a pretty good job, and now few wanted to kill you.

  35. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    But come on. Not all three of them. CH is willing to waive its annual tuition of 34k per yr? For basketball? Seriously? I wasn't born last night. Private Schools tend not to just waive the price of admission to nobodies.

    Unless of course CH is somewhat sensitive of its student body being around, oh, 97%+ white and well....Affirmative Action, even in prep schools.

    I mean, you do have to actually have a fairly high IQ for elite private schools of somewhat rigorous academic quality (unless you're in the top 1% already and then they look the other way. After all, if Bill Gates' son Jr or BGIII isn't all that sharp, but daddy donates a new library, safe to say that #III is in the fall's incoming freshman class).

    It doesn't add up, Steve. There has to be something else going on and perhaps is only known to those within the Valley area. Unless they are in the top 1% of income, it simply doesn't make sense, barring Affirmative Action, needing some tokens in their predominantly white student body, etc. PG; C; and PFs are a dime a dozen. Couldn't CH have gotten Kevin Love, for example?

    Funny thing, the kids aren't all that in the NBA. Are they as big as Lebron?
    No. In fact you never hear their names in national sports news of any significant amount.
    Even Jason Collins received far more national attention yr before last then they have which sort of says it all.

    Prep schools give scholarships all the time to athletes. Heck, they’ll give a job to a parent who has a lot of good athlete kids. For example, Toby Gerhart of Stanford and NFL is one of six siblings, all good athletes. Their dad got the head coaching job at Corona Centennial.

    Campbell Hall hit the jackpot with the Holiday family of four basketball-playing siblings:

    “Holiday’s parents, Shawn and Toya — Toya is currently the ninth-grade dean and assistant athletic director at Campbell Hall — were both college basketball players. Toya DeCree was a one-time Pac-10 Player of the Year at Arizona State, where she and Shawn played for a time, each moving on to different schools, Toya to U.S. International and Shawn to Division II Cal State-Los Angeles. Their four kids — Justin, the oldest who is currently looking for a return to pro basketball either in Europe or the D-League after being released by Utah in the preseason — Jrue, Lauren, a sophomore on the UCLA team, and Aaron, said by parents and siblings to be the best of them all, still at Campbell Hall.”

    http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2013/11/almost_from_birth_new_orleans.html

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Ok, well that fact was conveniently left out of the sentence, that the mother is dean and assistant director at CH. That would tend to help things immensely. At private schools, particularly religious ones, administrators and teachers tend to get tons of perks and getting their kids enrolled there happens to be one of them.

    So there was an answer. Didn't think it was because they were in the top 1%.

    And of course, her hiring itself is a form of AA: what better way to help CH's image of non-diversity by enrolling her own kids at CH?

    CH is known primarily as a sports jock private school or an expensive elite school? If the latter, then it helped to have the mom in a prominent administration position.

    , @Brutusale
    They come up a little short when compared to this family:

    http://www.esquire.com/sports/interviews/a29000/gronkowski-family-athletes-0614/
  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    You could also read this scene as Weiner self-parodying his own roiling but ridiculous ethnic resentments that provide him with the ethnocentric anger that fuels the admirable energy he brought to putting together Mad Men.
     
    Steve, you've often commented on Weiner's strangely lowball estimate on the number of Jews at Harvard-Westlake, how perhaps this reflects his take on how people like Jamie Lee Curtis shouldn't be counted as part of the Tribe. Maybe this is Weiner projecting that kind of parsing onto the hated WASPs? If he's that enraged over half-Jews being counted as Jews, who knows what he imagines WASPs think about Scottish interlopers and Highland rivalries?

    @syon

    To be fair, Jamie Lee Curtis is a lot of things…while also being their antipode. Perhaps intersexed. A goy/Jew hybrid (which is another way of saying 100% White, for most people). Bisexual (ask the staff at Spago about her nights with Jodie Foster in the 90s).

    Duality can be disagreeable. Other times it can be illusory. I’m sure Weiner would think the second point on Jamie Lee’s checklist was the most relevant and the most “real”; when Plato’s forms meet the Kosher id, then.

  37. We Gaels just can’t drop this stuff. When I got seriously into Scottish Country dance way back when, the time came to choose a kilt. My closest link to a Scots clan was through my Canadian uncle who’d served in the Black Watch (whose plaid is Campbell quartered) during WW II. But I went with a less direct link to another clan (I won’t say which to preserve my anonymity.) through my Irish ancestors because the Campbells were still that hated by various members of my family.

  38. Funny, I always hated the Pete Campbell character. Little did I know it traced back to the 1690’s!

    The irony is that from I have heard from people that knew Weiner in his youth, the Pete Campbell character is basically Matthew Weiner’s actual personality.

    Steve, you should rewatch, the comedy classic Caddyshack, as it deals with many of the same ethnic conflicts as those addressed in Mad Men, plus GOLF. After all, Caddyshack’s tagline was “Some People Just Don’t Belong”.

  39. @Enrique Cardova
    In an earlier episode, the WASP-y Ken Cosgrove explains that he didn’t like working at McCann-Erickson because it is “too Irish” and he didn’t fit in.

    Could be a personal thing but historically the Irish have been massive discriminators against other Americans including other white Americans. From the political machines that increased the corruption of America's big cities, to the cronyism and nepotism that monopolized government jobs and froze out other Americans, to the corrupt kickbacks, payoffs and manipulations of things like business licenses, government application of laws, etc etc. Other white Americans, including Jews, who refused to make the required payoffs were frozen out.

    "In the city's building trades such as plumbers and the masons, Irish-dominated unions adopted nepotistic membership requirements that kept out new arrivals... Similarly the Irish used their political connections to entrench themselves in both skilled and unskilled city government jobs for policemen, firefighters, rapid transit workers and school teachers, even before these workers had their unions recognized."

    As early as 1855 Irish men were the largest group of the cartmen of New York, including those that specialized in doing city work on sanitation, landfill road projects and the like. To be a private cartman one required a license; to work for the municipal government in particular one needed good connections. Even before the massive influx of the feminine Irish in 1843, the Democrat-dominated Common Council gave a large number of market licenses to Irish men, much to the chagrin of native American entrepreneurs."
    --FROM: Bayor and Meagher 1996, The New York Irish, 96-97

    "As a consequence, the public sector employed a full one-third of first, second and third-generation Irish Americans in 1930 compared with just 6 percent in 1900. This patronage helped produce a heavy concentration of Irish in jobs on the fire and police departments and in municipally owned subways, streetcars, waterworks and port facilities. Many of the city's Irish middle class worked on the public payroll, especially in the public schools, and thousands of others labored in construction jobs tied to city expenditures. For second-generation Irish-American women, jobs as schoolteachers were the most sought-after career. Such patronage policies would help to bind the Irish working class and much of the middle class Tammany Hall for another generation."
    --Bayor and Meagher 1996. The New York Irish, p. 313
     
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The white Irish also figured prominently in establishment of corrupt urban political machines – spread across America- from Daley in Chicago, to Frank Hague in Jersey City, and numerous places in between. Let’s look at Hague. Hague has a widely known reputation for corruption and bossism and has been called “the granddaddy of Jersey bosses.” By the time he left office in 1947, he enjoyed palatial homes, European vacations, and a private suite at the Plaza Hotel. His wealth has been estimated to have been over $10 million at the time of his death, although his City salary never exceeded $8,500 per year and he had no other legitimate source of income.

    During the height of his power Hague’s political machine, known as “the organization,” was one of the most powerful in the United States controlling politics on local, county, and state levels. Hague’s personal influence extended to the national level, influencing federal patronage and Presidential campaigns. The white Irish also greatly increased voter fraud in running America' big cities. Under Irish boss Hague for example, Jersey City had 160,050 registered voters, but only 147,000 people who were at least 21 years old—the legal voting age.
    (Sources: Jersey City's Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses...". Life. 1938-02-07. p. 45; Hague's End", TIME, 1949-05-23).

    White politicians like Hague caused massive tax burdens to be laid on hard-working white people, from Boston to Jersey. Indeed some of these taxes bankrupted certain businesses. (Jersey City's Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses...". Life. 1938-02-07) Other notorious white public feeders – some of the worse leaders in America- include Chicago’s “Big Bill” Thompson, and James Curley of Boston. But not to worry. In their footsteps followed people like Richard Daley and Governor Rod Blagojevich, now doing 14 years in prison. (See book- Gerald Leinwand 2004. Mackerels in the Moonlight: Four Corrupt American Mayors.)

    The white Irish also pioneered "official" or "legal" thuggery and abuse of civil liberties in running America' cities. Irish boss Hague for had a law passed requiring making political speeches to obtain clearance from the chief of police. A 1930 ordinance gave the public safety commissioner—Hague himself—the power to turn down permits for meetings if he felt it necessary to prevent "riots, disturbances or disorderly assemblage." The latter ordinance was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States, but continued to be enforced for several years after that decision. The white Irish police were also allowed to stop and search anyone without probable cause or a warrant after 9 pm. (Sources: Jersey City's Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses...". Life. 1938-02-07. p. 45).

    Don’t lay the blame for political corruption on the Irish. They found it when they got here. The word “gerrymandering” is derived from an early WASP governor, Eldridge Gerry, of Massachusetts. Boss Tweed was another WASP boss. Negro and Hispanic political machines have taken corruption to levels not even imagined by their Irish predecessors.

    • Replies: @Shaq
    We don't want the Irish.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boO4RowROiw
  40. @Steve Sailer
    Prep schools give scholarships all the time to athletes. Heck, they'll give a job to a parent who has a lot of good athlete kids. For example, Toby Gerhart of Stanford and NFL is one of six siblings, all good athletes. Their dad got the head coaching job at Corona Centennial.

    Campbell Hall hit the jackpot with the Holiday family of four basketball-playing siblings:

    "Holiday's parents, Shawn and Toya -- Toya is currently the ninth-grade dean and assistant athletic director at Campbell Hall -- were both college basketball players. Toya DeCree was a one-time Pac-10 Player of the Year at Arizona State, where she and Shawn played for a time, each moving on to different schools, Toya to U.S. International and Shawn to Division II Cal State-Los Angeles. Their four kids -- Justin, the oldest who is currently looking for a return to pro basketball either in Europe or the D-League after being released by Utah in the preseason -- Jrue, Lauren, a sophomore on the UCLA team, and Aaron, said by parents and siblings to be the best of them all, still at Campbell Hall."

    http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2013/11/almost_from_birth_new_orleans.html

    Ok, well that fact was conveniently left out of the sentence, that the mother is dean and assistant director at CH. That would tend to help things immensely. At private schools, particularly religious ones, administrators and teachers tend to get tons of perks and getting their kids enrolled there happens to be one of them.

    So there was an answer. Didn’t think it was because they were in the top 1%.

    And of course, her hiring itself is a form of AA: what better way to help CH’s image of non-diversity by enrolling her own kids at CH?

    CH is known primarily as a sports jock private school or an expensive elite school? If the latter, then it helped to have the mom in a prominent administration position.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Ms. Holiday got her job as an assistant athletic director because she had 4 terrifically athletic children?

    It's not uncommon for educational institutions to hire a star recruit's dad as some kind of coach or administrator, or in this case mother. One of her older sons is in the NBA after leading Campbell Hall to a state title and her youngest averaged 25 ppg this year for Campbell Hall, was San Fernando Valley Co-Player of the Year, and is signed with UCLA.

  41. I don’t get it. Scots in Scotland don’t act that way, as Scottish Nationalism and identity is mostly subsumed in uber-liberal spending and PC-dom as opposed to Tory Englishmen.

    Weiner, seems pathetic like most in Hollywood. I’m sure he understands studio meetings, TV star tantrums, and the scene on Melrose and Robertson very well. Just about everything else? Nope.

  42. I don’t think that Weiner, Andreessen, etc., are really driven by resentment. They just speak the vernacular of the times. These days, everyone, from college applicants to celebrity interviewees, is encouraged to share childhood stories about how they were traumatized by the world for being Different (in politically correct ways, of course.) In 2010s, this makes you a hero and an Interesting Person. In the 1950s, Weiner and Andreessen would be talking about how the impetus behind their success comes from jealousy and anger toward their fathers, or some other Freudian claptrap.

  43. @Mr. Anon
    Maybe Weiner just doesn't get goys. Is that how he thinks some part-scottish WASP blue-bloods would have acted in 1970? Getting into a fist-fight over the MacDonald-Campbell feud? It's ridiculous. I bet real scottish Highlanders in Scotland wouldn't have done that, let alone Americans with a little scottish ancestry (if they're WASP blue-bloods, they certainly can't be all highlander).

    A lot of jewish writers seem somewhat clueless about certain aspects of gentile culture.

    “It’s ridiculous. I bet real scottish Highlanders in Scotland wouldn’t have done that,”

    As I was informed by some Glasgow bar patrons (one of whom was a MacDonald) during my trip to Scotland a decade ago, the MacDonald-Campbell feud is alive and well, albeit toned down a bit. More like a heated rivalry, really. The MacDonald fellow mentioned his clan’s reputation for rowdiness, and as far as the Glencoe Massacre goes, admitted that they probably “had it comin’”.

    • Replies: @Drawbacks
    I knew a Glaswegian (now pushing 40) called Campbell McDonald; I guess his parents weren't too bothered about ancient clan rivalries. On the other hand, I know another McDonald of about the same age for whom they're a bit of a sore point. He grew up in the Outer Hebrides, though.
    I guess you can always find something to be resentful about, even if you had a fairly privileged upbringing in a wealthy country like Scotland. If not the English yolk, then there's the Highland Clearances, or some clan slaughter or another. If you have the good luck to be a Scot of Irish Catholic extraction, you can nurse your (increasingly irrelevant) grievances about anti-papist discrimination knowing that it's not ancient history and that the enemy (Orangemen, Glasgow Rangers fans, the largely imaginary, conspiratorially anti-Catholic, Protestant establishment) is all around you.
  44. Over the last 30 years or so, The Simpsons have made quite a few jokes about Scotsmen being a bit weird and lower class.

    • Replies: @PB and J
    Willie: "Brothers and sisters are natural enemies - like Englishmen and Scots. Or Welshmen and Scots. Or Japanese and Scots. Or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots, they RUINED Scotland!"
    Seymour: "You Scots sure are a contentious people."
    Willie: "You've just made an enemy for life!"
  45. @Steve Sailer
    Great scene.

    I've got a dozen or two Kodak carousels of slides from the 1960s-1970s that I'm slowly having digitized by Costco.

    DIY. For $100 you can get a device that takes a JPEG of the slide and stores it in a memory card. I scanned almost 30 carousels over a couple of months while watching TV. My cost, not including my time, less than $.07 each. Pro services I’ve seen were $.25 or more. Plus I could edit as I went.

  46. If Paul Thomas Anderson went to Campbell Hall, too, that means he would’ve hit the Valley prep school cycle: he also went to Buckley and Montclair Prep.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "he would’ve hit the Valley prep school cycle: he also went to Buckley and Montclair Prep."

    That's pretty funny.

    Does anybody know if when Robert Altman made his comeback in the early 1990s with The Player and Short Cuts if he had PT Anderson working for him then?

  47. One weird fact I stumbled across recently with regards to Mad Men is that Ronald Reagan’s brother Neil was a senior vice-president of McCann Erickson and it seems he was based on the West Coast.

  48. asdf says:

    Steve,

    Do you ever wonder if you over analyze things? Such as a tv show most people don’t watch?

    Who gives a shit if Weiner is an asshole or not.

    Next stop – Illuminati. (And repetition.)

    Get out of Cali once in a while bro. It’ll do you good I think.

  49. @OsRazor
    I didn't see the Pete Campbell scene described by HBD Chick--it's a joke right? The dialogue seems insane. No one in their right mind would create something so cheesy. Weiner didn't really put that in, did he?--but I still don't understand why few talk about the most revealing and (I think) interesting aspect of Weiner's high school obsessions, self-created resentments and delusions and Mad Men:

    the creepy kid (played by Weiner's real son) who stalks for more than a decade the shiksa blue eyed blond babes, Betty Draper and her daughter. That whole business was right out of a second-rate Philip Roth novel (without the self awareness or humor).

    “No one in their right mind would create something so cheesy.”

    honestly. it really was THAT cheesy! (>.<)

  50. @OsRazor
    I didn't see the Pete Campbell scene described by HBD Chick--it's a joke right? The dialogue seems insane. No one in their right mind would create something so cheesy. Weiner didn't really put that in, did he?--but I still don't understand why few talk about the most revealing and (I think) interesting aspect of Weiner's high school obsessions, self-created resentments and delusions and Mad Men:

    the creepy kid (played by Weiner's real son) who stalks for more than a decade the shiksa blue eyed blond babes, Betty Draper and her daughter. That whole business was right out of a second-rate Philip Roth novel (without the self awareness or humor).

    yes. this is why I lost interest in MM after season 5 – just could not stomach the gratuitous vomiting/urinating/black-out drinking/screwing/ yelling/ mean-spirited-desperate-humiliating conversations/creepy suicide/ smoking & coughing w/ hangover…AND, we had to also endure prepubescent voyeurism on TV which you just pointed out in your post.

    Several years ago I thought, “Jesus, why would Matt put his own son in the role of a voyeur?” However, oh, rats – stupid me, I forgot that I am an uber wasp – not Episcopalian, btw, which is “catholic-light” according to my neighbor, so I may be a bit prudish.

    Gross things are always gross things. MM was just a gross-out show with great set design and costumes, but why would the show’s creator get his own child labeled for the rest of his life as the “creepy guy” in MM. How’s that gonna look for admissions at Wes or anywhere else?

    Can’t wait for Entourage, the movie! Happy days are here again!

  51. @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that the Hollidays are a respectable middle class black family of great athletes. The majority of prep schools in the country would love to give athletic scholarships to siblings like that.

    I found out recently that guard Mike Conley also comes from an extrodinarily distinguished family.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conley_family

  52. As a compromise for watching something else with me, I watched “Mad Men” with my wife. I actually thought the set design was very good, the dialogue often quirky and fun, and it appealed to me surprisingly more than I thought it would, perhaps because it was a bit like watching my parents’ generation, a world that is vaguely familiar from childhood, but also fuzzily distant because I did not experience adult world of the time directly.

    I thought that last season was the worst of the bunch. (And why was Draper suddenly wearing ill-fitting suits in the last season?)

    As for the CT clan war, I saw it rather differently perhaps because I believe in redemption. In the beginning Campbell was a loathsome character, whatever his ancestry. He was petty, small (physically or otherwise), vindictive, alcoholic, covetous, and unfaithful. The list goes on. The opposite of the dashing good guy (“you are one of the good ones” says the red head when everyone else wants to pimp her out for business) Don Draper, if you will.

    But the “CT clan war” and the series ending sequence Campbell had redeemed himself. While the dashing Don Draper ended up as a patsy for a thief, an aimless wanderer who lets everyone down and finds a self-directed “peace” with a bunch of New Age-y kooks (while his first wife dies painfully), Campbell fights (literally) for his kids and his ex-wife, finds reconciliation with his family, and lands constructive and stable (and lucrative!) employment with a company that actually makes something tangible.

    So perhaps Wiener sees himself in both Draper and Campell in different ways or maybe he also sees what he loathes in both in different ways. Fictional characters are amalgamations and contradictions of the real things, after all, and we can never tell *precisely* what they represent in real life. If we could, we wouldn’t be having all these “textual interpretation” discussions. Often I don’t think even the creators consciously know it all, because some portrayals are based on unconscious or subconscious instincts.

  53. @Mr. Anon
    Maybe Weiner just doesn't get goys. Is that how he thinks some part-scottish WASP blue-bloods would have acted in 1970? Getting into a fist-fight over the MacDonald-Campbell feud? It's ridiculous. I bet real scottish Highlanders in Scotland wouldn't have done that, let alone Americans with a little scottish ancestry (if they're WASP blue-bloods, they certainly can't be all highlander).

    A lot of jewish writers seem somewhat clueless about certain aspects of gentile culture.

    I think many Jewish writers are drawn to drama. See Old Testament.

    Neil

  54. @anon
    If Paul Thomas Anderson went to Campbell Hall, too, that means he would've hit the Valley prep school cycle: he also went to Buckley and Montclair Prep.

    “he would’ve hit the Valley prep school cycle: he also went to Buckley and Montclair Prep.”

    That’s pretty funny.

    Does anybody know if when Robert Altman made his comeback in the early 1990s with The Player and Short Cuts if he had PT Anderson working for him then?

    • Replies: @manton
    No idea, but Short Cuts and Magnolia are so similar that the latter is almost a remake. The former is better, though.

    I really want to like PTA. But his movies always seem to lack something. Even as a chronicler of California, he gets much wrong. E.g., Boogie Nights, probably his best film, all takes place in the SFV, but at a time (1977-1980 or so) when porn was shot in the Bay Area and not at all in SoCal. It was only in the early '80s when the LAPD stopped trying to enforce indecency laws that porn moved to the Valley.

  55. @Buddwing
    I once explained to someone that "white privilege" was the guarantee that in a line of 100 people after a job, I would be not further back than 85th.

    I believe that the word "privilege" is simply wrong in the contexts that it is used. Instead substitute "advantage" and almost every statement accords better with the situation in the real world.

    Try it with Matthews:

    "Today, we don’t talk about WASP privilege relative to Scots; we talk about white privilege relative to nonwhites," becomes "today, we don’t talk about WASP advantage relative to Scots; we talk about white advantage relative to nonwhites."

    Isn't that better?

    I believe that the word “privilege” is simply wrong in the contexts that it is used. Instead substitute “advantage” and almost every statement accords better with the situation in the real world.

    Whether the term is privilege or advantage, I don’t get this avenue of attack. Given that Europeans created this nation and its institutions, and continue to be the dominant group, why is it surprising or considered inappropriate for Europeans to not have some privilege or advantage? It seems Europeans are being asked to give others preferential treatment and access to the institutions they created. Would other groups be expected to do the same in the nations they created? For example, would Jews in Israel be expected to give non-Jews every advantage Jews have? Would Jews in Israel be deemed to have Jewish privilege or advantage? I doubt it. So why then the constant attack on Europeans?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Given that Europeans created this nation and its institutions, and continue to be the dominant group, why is it surprising or considered inappropriate for Europeans to not have some privilege or advantage?
     
    Call it being a good sportsman or noblesse oblige.

    Where the Anglo-Americans fell short was failing to ensure that the beneficiaries of the said noblesse oblige also internalized and practiced noblesse oblige.

    Instead, they went along with or at least condoned the rapacity and clannishness of their protégés, if you will, while they still had power to correct, and now it's too late.
  56. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Ok, well that fact was conveniently left out of the sentence, that the mother is dean and assistant director at CH. That would tend to help things immensely. At private schools, particularly religious ones, administrators and teachers tend to get tons of perks and getting their kids enrolled there happens to be one of them.

    So there was an answer. Didn't think it was because they were in the top 1%.

    And of course, her hiring itself is a form of AA: what better way to help CH's image of non-diversity by enrolling her own kids at CH?

    CH is known primarily as a sports jock private school or an expensive elite school? If the latter, then it helped to have the mom in a prominent administration position.

    Or maybe Ms. Holiday got her job as an assistant athletic director because she had 4 terrifically athletic children?

    It’s not uncommon for educational institutions to hire a star recruit’s dad as some kind of coach or administrator, or in this case mother. One of her older sons is in the NBA after leading Campbell Hall to a state title and her youngest averaged 25 ppg this year for Campbell Hall, was San Fernando Valley Co-Player of the Year, and is signed with UCLA.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    If she had her Assistant Director job first, that would mean she had considerable influence on "helping" to get her kids into CH. Most likely she got her job first for the expressed purpose of getting her kids into CH so they could begin their trajectory into the NBA. All of them, (including the daughter no less) that tends to be the red light. This type of perk tends to happen at Protestant religious schools. Perhaps I'm lumping CH with Harvard-Westlake when I probably should be considering CH as more of a run of the mill religious school (slightly above average academic rating), where the only thing that makes CH "elite" is its annual tuition. In this case high tuition doesn't equal academically superior.

    But all four kids? I'm sorry, wasn't born last night. That's too non-critical to buy, because the daughter is there as well. If this is truly the case then CH doesn't sound like a very discriminating academic elite based school (no national merit scholars, etc). Apparently waiving 34k per yr for four players is no big deal, because their desire to win no matter what it takes. Heck, bring them in from Compton and East LA if it helps them win. 34k per yr? Waiving it away just like that? No biggie? Seriously? Does Harvard-Westlake do the same thing as well when it comes to all their athletes?

    The NBA son is seldom ever mentioned nationwide so he clearly isn't all that. Average at best. Jason Collins received more national attention then he ever has. Ex-Bruin Kevin Love, roughly from the same area, also has received more national attention.

    ca. 97%+ white student body. It's also called helping to make CH diverse, as in "See? We have minorities at our school and they're quite successful just look at our yearbook."

    "Most athletes have been on scholarship since the third grade"--HOF NBAer Bill Russell.

    AA hire (the mother) and diversity in action (all four kids who most likely don't have the IQ to attend based on their low grades, were it not for their point guard, center, power forwarding skills).

  57. @Taco

    (But you could argue it’s 100 as well–James through Anne, minus Cromwell.)
     
    Also, I'm not sure you can count the last few years of William of Orange's reign. His dynastic claim may have been Stuart, but he certainly was not Scottish.

    Queen Anne was a Stuart and she reigned until 1714. William of Orange was not official sole Monarch, but with his Stuart wife (Anne’s sister): William and Mary.

    Of course, after 1688, being monarch was less powerful, but it was still a pretty good job, and now few wanted to kill you.

  58. @iSteveFan

    I believe that the word “privilege” is simply wrong in the contexts that it is used. Instead substitute “advantage” and almost every statement accords better with the situation in the real world.
     
    Whether the term is privilege or advantage, I don't get this avenue of attack. Given that Europeans created this nation and its institutions, and continue to be the dominant group, why is it surprising or considered inappropriate for Europeans to not have some privilege or advantage? It seems Europeans are being asked to give others preferential treatment and access to the institutions they created. Would other groups be expected to do the same in the nations they created? For example, would Jews in Israel be expected to give non-Jews every advantage Jews have? Would Jews in Israel be deemed to have Jewish privilege or advantage? I doubt it. So why then the constant attack on Europeans?

    Given that Europeans created this nation and its institutions, and continue to be the dominant group, why is it surprising or considered inappropriate for Europeans to not have some privilege or advantage?

    Call it being a good sportsman or noblesse oblige.

    Where the Anglo-Americans fell short was failing to ensure that the beneficiaries of the said noblesse oblige also internalized and practiced noblesse oblige.

    Instead, they went along with or at least condoned the rapacity and clannishness of their protégés, if you will, while they still had power to correct, and now it’s too late.

  59. It might be of interest that Pete Campbell the WASP has a Jewish wife.

    (Trudy’s maiden name is Vogel, and she’s played by Allison Brie, who has a Jewish mother.)

    • Replies: @Marty
    Is a Vogel likely to be Jewish? I'd like to know. I knew two Vogels in the Bay Area in the '70s/80s, and both were blondes. Not determinative of course. The woman was quute good-looking, and had a classic blonde WASP frat-type boyfriend. Trudy, though, is always Jewish.
  60. Campbell/Macdonald feud still has its partisans in Canada where the the the Scots identity is still a force in the Martime provinces like Nova Scotia and rural parts of Ontario.
    A Macdonald near Ottawa wrote to the local paper a few years ago that the Progressive Conservative party ,which lost nearly all of its seats in the 1993 election and eventually disappeared, deserved after electing a Campbell as a leader.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell

    For further research.

    http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2010/10/29/how_the_scots_invented_canada.html

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    Yeah, there's a scene in Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz where Richard Dreyfus is playing pool with a wealthy old Scot-Canadian and he lays into him when the guy says he didn't think Duddy was only being friendly with him for the money.
  61. Keep up the Mad Men threads but please don’t post anything nice about Roger Ebert.

  62. “a Highlander clan war going back at least to the Massacre of Glencoe in 1692 in which Campbell clan soldiers under orders of the new King William of England”: oh bollocks. See HBD’s comments thread for corrections.

    “The Clan Campbell — Scots who allied with the English crown”: ditto.

    If you chaps are going to discuss history, why not get it right?

  63. Seeing as this something of an ur-iSteve post, I’m bound to quote both Bonfire of the Vanities, and Portnoy’s Complaint:

    [Pollard] Browning had been a fat, hearty, overbearing junior snob who at the age of nine knew how to get across the astonishing news that McCoy was a hick name (and a hick family), as in Hatfields and McCoys, whereas he, Browning, was a true Knickerbocker.

    “Well, it sure is nice being here in Davenport, Mr. and Mrs. Campbell, what with my being Jewish and all.”

    I mustn’t act as though it were a personal affront, she said, because it had nothing to do with me as an individual…. Oh, didn’t it? Bullshit, girlie! Yes, what made me so irate was precisely my belief that I was being discriminated against. My father couldn’t rise at Boston & Northeastern for the very same reason as Sally Maulsby [debutante out of New Haven, Ct.] wouldn’t deign to go down on me! Where was the justice in the world? Where was the B’nai B’rith Anti-Defamation League–!

    Tom Wolfe is 84; Philip Roth is 82. The ethnic composition of the USA has changed somewhat since they were young men.

    • Replies: @manton
    Regarding the Bonfire passage quoted, the point of that is not to express intra-WASP ethnic rivalry. Rather, it was Pollard's one-up-manship about whose family had been in New York longer. There's no question that Sherman is a WASP. The taunt is that he's a hick, a country boy, not a real New Yorker.

    I don't know how common this is among kids, but in the small California town where I grew up, nobody cared about ethnic differences (at least not intra-white ethnic differences). But there was quite a bit of snobbery about whose family had been in town the longest, that is, how many generations back.

  64. @Jacobite
    One must always remember both the '15 and the '45! Dr. Johnson, by the way, is suspected of having actually been "out in '45."

    There’s a statue of Bonnie Prince Charlie in Derby (as far south as the ’45 got) with an inscription of Dr Johnson’s statement that it had been “a noble attempt.”

  65. @n/a
    "The Clan Campbell — Scots who allied with the English crown — is a wonderful metaphor for this. Pete isn’t a real WASP, not on his father’s side at least. He will never be at the top of the social ladder. If the Upper East Side elite were the Mafia, he’d never be a made man. [. . .] Today, we don’t talk about WASP privilege relative to Scots; we talk about white privilege relative to nonwhites."

    Dylan Matthews is, of course, deeply confused. There was never "WASP privilege relative to Scots", and Scottish ancestry never disqualified someone from membership in the American elite. "WASP" is a term that was invented in the middle of the twentieth century to refer to the people who had previously simply been known as Americans.

    I believe there were anti-Scottish riots in Massachusetts in the 18th century, but it’s hard to think Scottish ancestry’s been any kind of handicap in the last couple of centuries. There’s always room for a bit of one-upmanship and petty resentments, though. (See my Bonfire of the Vanities quote, above.)

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I believe there were anti-Scottish riots in Massachusetts in the 18th century,
     
    Scots-Irish.The Massachusetts Bay English found them too rowdy and rambunctious for their tastes.And they contemptuously referred to them as "Irish." They were "encouraged" to settle elsewhere (cf places like the aptly named Londonderry, New Hampshire).

    That wasn't uncommon.For example, the Pennsylvania Quakers did their best to keep the Scots-Irish out of Philadelphia by settling them on the frontier, where their warlike nature could be put to good use (cf James Logan's comments about how he planted the Scots-Irish in the Western part of the colony "as a frontier in case of any disturbance," Fischer, Albion's Seed, 633)
  66. Can the Celtic Scots be WASPs?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Can the Celtic Scots be WASPs?
     
    Yes.Don't be silly.
    , @random observer
    They're not full Celts. Neither are the Irish, of course, but the Scots are more thoroughly a mix of peoples at the founding, though without too much admixture between that and the 20th century thereafter.

    The southeast was Angle [Northumbrian] for several centuries before anything like a Scottish realm coalesced, and when it did those Angles were a founding part of it even if the Gaelic speakers [who arrived in the west at about the time the Angles did in the east] dominated the country for about 350 years after that.

    The north and west are full of Norwegian, also. Although much of that settlement started at around the time a Scottish realm was forming, they probably qualify as founding peoples as well.

    That's two streams of Germanic of which the earlier was specifically Anglos, one albeit initially dominant stream of Irish [Gaelic] Celt, all of the foregoing being settler colonists in historical times, plus the indigenous to the south British Celts [Welsh] and whatever the Picts were [maybe Celts].

    I call that a mixed people, proudly, by Robert E. Howard standards.

    Presuming the language and cultural history has any bearing on the actual ethnicity of any of these people, of course.
  67. @Hapalong Cassidy
    "It’s ridiculous. I bet real scottish Highlanders in Scotland wouldn’t have done that,"

    As I was informed by some Glasgow bar patrons (one of whom was a MacDonald) during my trip to Scotland a decade ago, the MacDonald-Campbell feud is alive and well, albeit toned down a bit. More like a heated rivalry, really. The MacDonald fellow mentioned his clan's reputation for rowdiness, and as far as the Glencoe Massacre goes, admitted that they probably "had it comin'".

    I knew a Glaswegian (now pushing 40) called Campbell McDonald; I guess his parents weren’t too bothered about ancient clan rivalries. On the other hand, I know another McDonald of about the same age for whom they’re a bit of a sore point. He grew up in the Outer Hebrides, though.
    I guess you can always find something to be resentful about, even if you had a fairly privileged upbringing in a wealthy country like Scotland. If not the English yolk, then there’s the Highland Clearances, or some clan slaughter or another. If you have the good luck to be a Scot of Irish Catholic extraction, you can nurse your (increasingly irrelevant) grievances about anti-papist discrimination knowing that it’s not ancient history and that the enemy (Orangemen, Glasgow Rangers fans, the largely imaginary, conspiratorially anti-Catholic, Protestant establishment) is all around you.

  68. Or he was just cribbing from the 2007 story arc in Entourage when Jewish Ari Gold was dealing with trying to get his son in an exclusive day school run by WASP headmaster Andrew Preston (played by The Simpsons Dan Castellaneta).

  69. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Campbell Hall alumni include director Paul Thomas Anderson, Molly Ringwald, the Olsen twins, and the Fanning sisters."

    And a couple of current NBAers, one of whom went on to UCLA for a whole year.


    "Harvard-Westlake’s geographically closest social rival is Campbell Hall Episcopal School on Laurel Canyon (tuition $34,400), although Campbell Hall lags Harvard-Westlake in academic rigor."

    Actor Charlton Heston's grandson Jack is a recent graduate of Harvard-Westlake ('09), and yet I continue to wonder how on earth a family of NBAers can send three of their kids to Campbell Hall, if they are not particularly wealthy. (of course they could happen to be among the top one percent of African-Americans who happen to work in the film industry). That CH is academically inferior to Harvard-Westlake is certain, since Steve didn't mention CH when he wrote about National Merit Scholars in California's best public/private high schools. Therefore it is safe to say that CA doesn't generally produce a lot of academic geniuses who are Ivy bound.

    Is Campbell-Hall that desperate to win HS basketball titles that they throw overboard academic admissions as well as waiving the annual cost of tuition of 34kplus per yr for three kids of the same family?

    Honestly, that doesn't add up. If this were the Bush clan it would of course be understandable. If it were Hollywood royalty it would also be understandable. But accepting in any old student just because they can point guard, center, or power forward better than 14yr olds in the entire Valley area?

    I think there's more to this story than is well known outside of SoCal.

    With a tip of the hat to the Campbell origins, they all received the Last King of Scotland scholarship.

  70. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Ms. Holiday got her job as an assistant athletic director because she had 4 terrifically athletic children?

    It's not uncommon for educational institutions to hire a star recruit's dad as some kind of coach or administrator, or in this case mother. One of her older sons is in the NBA after leading Campbell Hall to a state title and her youngest averaged 25 ppg this year for Campbell Hall, was San Fernando Valley Co-Player of the Year, and is signed with UCLA.

    If she had her Assistant Director job first, that would mean she had considerable influence on “helping” to get her kids into CH. Most likely she got her job first for the expressed purpose of getting her kids into CH so they could begin their trajectory into the NBA. All of them, (including the daughter no less) that tends to be the red light. This type of perk tends to happen at Protestant religious schools. Perhaps I’m lumping CH with Harvard-Westlake when I probably should be considering CH as more of a run of the mill religious school (slightly above average academic rating), where the only thing that makes CH “elite” is its annual tuition. In this case high tuition doesn’t equal academically superior.

    But all four kids? I’m sorry, wasn’t born last night. That’s too non-critical to buy, because the daughter is there as well. If this is truly the case then CH doesn’t sound like a very discriminating academic elite based school (no national merit scholars, etc). Apparently waiving 34k per yr for four players is no big deal, because their desire to win no matter what it takes. Heck, bring them in from Compton and East LA if it helps them win. 34k per yr? Waiving it away just like that? No biggie? Seriously? Does Harvard-Westlake do the same thing as well when it comes to all their athletes?

    The NBA son is seldom ever mentioned nationwide so he clearly isn’t all that. Average at best. Jason Collins received more national attention then he ever has. Ex-Bruin Kevin Love, roughly from the same area, also has received more national attention.

    ca. 97%+ white student body. It’s also called helping to make CH diverse, as in “See? We have minorities at our school and they’re quite successful just look at our yearbook.”

    “Most athletes have been on scholarship since the third grade”–HOF NBAer Bill Russell.

    AA hire (the mother) and diversity in action (all four kids who most likely don’t have the IQ to attend based on their low grades, were it not for their point guard, center, power forwarding skills).

  71. @Jeff W.
    After the Border Wars ceased in the 1500's, my impression is that the relationship between the Scots and English has mainly been one of friendly rivalry. An example is when Dr. Johnson tried to poke fun at the Scots with his definition of oats in his dictionary:

    A grain, which in England is generally given to horses, but in Scotland supports the people.
     
    Samuel Johnson always used to love trolling the Scots. But he who laughs last, etc...

    'Aye' replies the Scot, 'that's why the English have the finest horses, and the Scottish have the strongest men.'
     
    This scene from Mad Men is a good reason to stop watching TV. At least don't waste money on cable.

    Yes, Americans seem to take Braveheart too seriously. Was never any chance Scotland would vote to leave the Union. Really Scotland is not some oppressed and occupied country,

  72. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Don't lay the blame for political corruption on the Irish. They found it when they got here. The word "gerrymandering" is derived from an early WASP governor, Eldridge Gerry, of Massachusetts. Boss Tweed was another WASP boss. Negro and Hispanic political machines have taken corruption to levels not even imagined by their Irish predecessors.

    We don’t want the Irish.

  73. Highland Scots may be WASPs sociologically (at least in America), but not literally. They were originally Gaelic speakers of Celtic and Norse descent. Nothing “Anglo-Saxon” about them. In fact, there is a Gaelic epithet the Highland Scots had for the Angl0-Saxons – “Sassenach”, sort of their version of “Honkie” or “White Bread”. Probably the most appropriate alternate acronym for WASP is WACP (or “White Anglo-Celtic Protestant”), but that’s too hard to pronounce. You can’t say it and make it sound like a hiss.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    "there is a Gaelic epithet the Highland Scots had for the Angl0-Saxons – “Sassenach”,": oh dear God, this thread gets even sillier. “Sassenach” means 'Saxon'.
  74. @Grumpy Old Man
    Can the Celtic Scots be WASPs?

    Can the Celtic Scots be WASPs?

    Yes.Don’t be silly.

  75. @Drawbacks
    I believe there were anti-Scottish riots in Massachusetts in the 18th century, but it's hard to think Scottish ancestry's been any kind of handicap in the last couple of centuries. There's always room for a bit of one-upmanship and petty resentments, though. (See my Bonfire of the Vanities quote, above.)

    I believe there were anti-Scottish riots in Massachusetts in the 18th century,

    Scots-Irish.The Massachusetts Bay English found them too rowdy and rambunctious for their tastes.And they contemptuously referred to them as “Irish.” They were “encouraged” to settle elsewhere (cf places like the aptly named Londonderry, New Hampshire).

    That wasn’t uncommon.For example, the Pennsylvania Quakers did their best to keep the Scots-Irish out of Philadelphia by settling them on the frontier, where their warlike nature could be put to good use (cf James Logan’s comments about how he planted the Scots-Irish in the Western part of the colony “as a frontier in case of any disturbance,” Fischer, Albion’s Seed, 633)

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    And of course the Scots-Irish were among the founding of Western PA around the time of the French and Indian War. In DeMille's Unconquered which deals with the western frontier pre-Revolution, which would be of course, Fort Pitt, there's a delightful line during a meeting of what to do regarding the Indian uprisings in the new lands recently open by the crown to settlers: "I'm half a mind that only the Irish can truly understand the Indian."---Double meaning of course since the war belts have been passed and the uprisings are close at hand. Logan was one of the names at the council meeting.

    Of course, the Irish he meant were the Scots-Irish, many of whom settled in Western PA during the mid 18th century.
  76. Wow, excellent bombshell discoveries all around here. Can you can try to connect this to Campbell’s soup — e.g. How the Tomato Became White; see Smithsonian Magazine, June 2013 — and maybe also your discovery of Elvis Costello’s star potential in a small Houston venue like, way way prior to his break-out performance on SNL? The latter could be difficult to achieve chronologically speaking (Declan MacManus was 16 years old when “Mad Men” concluded) but I’m sure with 2 sane well-adjusted bloggers on the case you’ll be able thread the needle

  77. I recall some black comedian, speaking of the irish and italian kids where he grew up (probably Boston) always getting into fights, saying “White people’s racism is very specific.”

  78. @Steve Sailer
    "he would’ve hit the Valley prep school cycle: he also went to Buckley and Montclair Prep."

    That's pretty funny.

    Does anybody know if when Robert Altman made his comeback in the early 1990s with The Player and Short Cuts if he had PT Anderson working for him then?

    No idea, but Short Cuts and Magnolia are so similar that the latter is almost a remake. The former is better, though.

    I really want to like PTA. But his movies always seem to lack something. Even as a chronicler of California, he gets much wrong. E.g., Boogie Nights, probably his best film, all takes place in the SFV, but at a time (1977-1980 or so) when porn was shot in the Bay Area and not at all in SoCal. It was only in the early ’80s when the LAPD stopped trying to enforce indecency laws that porn moved to the Valley.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Boogie Nights's main plot is heavily borrowed from Singing in the Rain, by the way. Same storyline just updated.
  79. @Buddwing
    I once explained to someone that "white privilege" was the guarantee that in a line of 100 people after a job, I would be not further back than 85th.

    I believe that the word "privilege" is simply wrong in the contexts that it is used. Instead substitute "advantage" and almost every statement accords better with the situation in the real world.

    Try it with Matthews:

    "Today, we don’t talk about WASP privilege relative to Scots; we talk about white privilege relative to nonwhites," becomes "today, we don’t talk about WASP advantage relative to Scots; we talk about white advantage relative to nonwhites."

    Isn't that better?

    the word “privilege” is simply wrong in the contexts that it is used. Instead substitute “advantage” and almost every statement accords better with the situation in the real world.

    A distinction without a difference.

    And the price of that privilege is that women and non-whites are to be preferred over white males in all walks of life, irrespective of merit, because white privilege, e.g. see: quotas, affirmative action, disparate impact, equal opportunity employment (dog whistle for “anyone but a straight, white male), et al. So, what’s the “real world” advantage?

  80. “I remember in college hearing an Irish-American classmate protest that he wasn’t really white; he wasn’t an Englishman, and he didn’t have those privileges. It sounded ridiculous at the time, and even more so now. It was a narcissism of small differences, a person in a position of privilege desperately trying to claim the mantle of the underdog without enduring any actual oppression.”

    Speaking as an Irish-American, as it were, I must say, I quite sympathize with these remarks. It is ever so tiresome to encounter middle class rubes who are living well, here in the good ol’ U.S. of A., and yet they’re still griping about how they’re being oppressed by the Queen. Admittedly, in the year 2015, such Tom Foolery is generally a feature of online discussion, rather than anything which occurs in “real life.”

    As a general rule, people of Irish descent, who fail to identify as “White,” actually annoy me more than Nordicist imbeciles who claim “the Irish aren’t White.”

    • Replies: @random observer
    I agree that last notion is pretty stupid. The Celts of Ireland have some Norse in them but more than that they are capable of producing blondes albeit at a much lesser rate, and redheads at a much greater rate, than the Scandinavians. There is nothing whiter than a pale, freckled redhead.

    Also, since Celts were the previous inhabitants of most of what is now Germany, Britain, the low countries and France, among other places, and possibly still provide a good chunk of the genome in all of them, I like to think of them as the original Europeans. The original white bread, as it were.
  81. @Drawbacks
    Seeing as this something of an ur-iSteve post, I'm bound to quote both Bonfire of the Vanities, and Portnoy's Complaint:

    [Pollard] Browning had been a fat, hearty, overbearing junior snob who at the age of nine knew how to get across the astonishing news that McCoy was a hick name (and a hick family), as in Hatfields and McCoys, whereas he, Browning, was a true Knickerbocker.

     


    "Well, it sure is nice being here in Davenport, Mr. and Mrs. Campbell, what with my being Jewish and all."
     

    I mustn't act as though it were a personal affront, she said, because it had nothing to do with me as an individual.... Oh, didn't it? Bullshit, girlie! Yes, what made me so irate was precisely my belief that I was being discriminated against. My father couldn't rise at Boston & Northeastern for the very same reason as Sally Maulsby [debutante out of New Haven, Ct.] wouldn't deign to go down on me! Where was the justice in the world? Where was the B'nai B'rith Anti-Defamation League--!
     
    Tom Wolfe is 84; Philip Roth is 82. The ethnic composition of the USA has changed somewhat since they were young men.

    Regarding the Bonfire passage quoted, the point of that is not to express intra-WASP ethnic rivalry. Rather, it was Pollard’s one-up-manship about whose family had been in New York longer. There’s no question that Sherman is a WASP. The taunt is that he’s a hick, a country boy, not a real New Yorker.

    I don’t know how common this is among kids, but in the small California town where I grew up, nobody cared about ethnic differences (at least not intra-white ethnic differences). But there was quite a bit of snobbery about whose family had been in town the longest, that is, how many generations back.

  82. @OsRazor
    I didn't see the Pete Campbell scene described by HBD Chick--it's a joke right? The dialogue seems insane. No one in their right mind would create something so cheesy. Weiner didn't really put that in, did he?--but I still don't understand why few talk about the most revealing and (I think) interesting aspect of Weiner's high school obsessions, self-created resentments and delusions and Mad Men:

    the creepy kid (played by Weiner's real son) who stalks for more than a decade the shiksa blue eyed blond babes, Betty Draper and her daughter. That whole business was right out of a second-rate Philip Roth novel (without the self awareness or humor).

    Yup, the fact he used his own son for that creepy part was odd, especially because his son is a terrible actor, although suitably creepy.

    Yeah, the scene with the campbells and the prep school guy was odd, but kinda funny. Part of Pete winning back trudy. The odd thing about Pete and the supposed anti-semitic comment is that Pete was also the most progressive in a way (aside from Don’s wild hairs). He deplored the way blacks were treated, etc.; it was Cooper who was a bit more old-fashioned in that regard.

    Having old How to Get Ahead in Business broadway Star play the doyenne Bert Cooper was a great touch.

    Also, one of the great lines from the show (and a real example of being able to have a funny line and also say, hey, they were racists back then, we’re making fun of those old racists, not laughing with them) is when the old secretary, Miss Blankenship, is wondering why all the excitement about the Cassius Clay-Sonny Liston fight. She says in her old Thelma Ritter New York accent: “If I wanted to see 2 negroes fight I’d throw a dollar out the window.”

  83. @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that the Hollidays are a respectable middle class black family of great athletes. The majority of prep schools in the country would love to give athletic scholarships to siblings like that.

    Yup. Kyrie Irving started high school at Montclair Kimberly Academy in New Jersey.

  84. @hans124
    Campbell/Macdonald feud still has its partisans in Canada where the the the Scots identity is still a force in the Martime provinces like Nova Scotia and rural parts of Ontario.
    A Macdonald near Ottawa wrote to the local paper a few years ago that the Progressive Conservative party ,which lost nearly all of its seats in the 1993 election and eventually disappeared, deserved after electing a Campbell as a leader.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell

    For further research.

    http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2010/10/29/how_the_scots_invented_canada.html

    Yeah, there’s a scene in Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz where Richard Dreyfus is playing pool with a wealthy old Scot-Canadian and he lays into him when the guy says he didn’t think Duddy was only being friendly with him for the money.

  85. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Campbell Hall alumni include director Paul Thomas Anderson, Molly Ringwald, the Olsen twins, and the Fanning sisters."

    And a couple of current NBAers, one of whom went on to UCLA for a whole year.


    "Harvard-Westlake’s geographically closest social rival is Campbell Hall Episcopal School on Laurel Canyon (tuition $34,400), although Campbell Hall lags Harvard-Westlake in academic rigor."

    Actor Charlton Heston's grandson Jack is a recent graduate of Harvard-Westlake ('09), and yet I continue to wonder how on earth a family of NBAers can send three of their kids to Campbell Hall, if they are not particularly wealthy. (of course they could happen to be among the top one percent of African-Americans who happen to work in the film industry). That CH is academically inferior to Harvard-Westlake is certain, since Steve didn't mention CH when he wrote about National Merit Scholars in California's best public/private high schools. Therefore it is safe to say that CA doesn't generally produce a lot of academic geniuses who are Ivy bound.

    Is Campbell-Hall that desperate to win HS basketball titles that they throw overboard academic admissions as well as waiving the annual cost of tuition of 34kplus per yr for three kids of the same family?

    Honestly, that doesn't add up. If this were the Bush clan it would of course be understandable. If it were Hollywood royalty it would also be understandable. But accepting in any old student just because they can point guard, center, or power forward better than 14yr olds in the entire Valley area?

    I think there's more to this story than is well known outside of SoCal.

    Private schools all around the country all fully on-board the progressive mission of diversity, and hand out financial aid/discounted tuition to “underserved” populations. The reason the sticker price is $30,000+ is because many aren’t paying full price. On the other hand, rarely do these school give free rides, if only to demonstrate the family’s sacrifice as an indication of commitment–the last thing the school wants is a wash-out from underserved students.

    As on college campuses, why do you think affirmative action bake sales are controversial?
    Truth hurts.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Are they? And why would they be at the HS level?

    Many, if not most of the US's elite prep schools tend to average around 92-95% white. Therefore, are you suggesting that the 1-2 or actually the 1% African-American students are there primarily due to tokenism, or Affirmative Action? The other percentages are filled of course by Asians of all nations.

    That makes absolutely no sense at all. A 30+k per yr sticker price is there for a specific reason. The private preps want the money. They are private, meaning they don't receive government funding. They expect to get the money from some population and generally they do. Actually it would be debatable whether or not there are enough top African-American school kids from the top 1% in income earning families to fill about at most….four or five elite prep schools in the entire US. Black top 1% bona fide right side of bell curve numbers simply aren't there based on income, student IQ, etc.

    "the last thing the school wants is a wash-out from underserved students."

    But, that would automatically eliminate about ca.99% of student-athletes. So perhaps many schools look the other way for their basketball/football students in order to compete for their rinky dink local sport title and the tradeoff is they make sure they get their 30+k per yr in tuition from all their other students, cause the money matters or they wouldn't charge it.

    Perhaps at some level it's a marketing point: "See? Several of our alumni graduated and ended up in the NBA/NFL, etc." Although for the most part, the schools that W, Al Gore, didn't seem to have tons of future NBA/NFLers, wonder why?

    Guess they had to struggle along on concentrating on academics first and foremost, like the U. of Chicago….they don't give a damn about sports but about education.

  86. @Buzz Mohawk

    A lot of jewish writers seem somewhat clueless about certain aspects of gentile culture.

     

    Exactly. Or maybe we should say non-culture. I mean that in a very positive way:

    Growing up I felt no cultural identity whatsoever, other than American. The first Jewish person I remember meeting was a friend from elementary school, who one day stopped and said to me, "I'm Jewish." I stood there confused and said something like, "okay," and then continued playing. I didn't learn until years later that my paternal grandfather was Jewish. Nobody had ever seemed to care, not even him. It was a footnote.

    I still believe that very many Americans still alive grew up like me, with no concern for these identities, these cultural or ethnic competitions. Yes, maybe that's because we were all mostly white goys. But, again, some of us were true mixes. That's really American to me.

    Christmas was presents, songs and a pretty tree. Easter was chocolates in a basket and colored eggs. These things are still true for me, and I could care less about any Weeeener's exaggerated concerns. There are more important things to worry about.

    Growing up I felt no cultural identity whatsoever, other than American.

    Yup. Though I grew up with many Jews. My brother and I carpooled to private school with Jews. The Catholics in the neighborhood went to parochial school.

    I still believe that very many Americans still alive grew up like me, with no concern for these identities, these cultural or ethnic competitions.

    Yup. I lived in Denver after grad school (the ’80s), and when someone asked where you were from, it meant “what state.” After moving to NYC, people ask where you’re from, and they mean “what country, what’s your ethnic heritage.” It’s obsessive. I tell them I’m an American. I’ve even had some (not many) argue with me about that reply, as if I’m supposed to have a pride associated with some foreign culture not my own. Bizarre.

  87. @Vallibus
    Highland Scots may be WASPs sociologically (at least in America), but not literally. They were originally Gaelic speakers of Celtic and Norse descent. Nothing "Anglo-Saxon" about them. In fact, there is a Gaelic epithet the Highland Scots had for the Angl0-Saxons - "Sassenach", sort of their version of "Honkie" or "White Bread". Probably the most appropriate alternate acronym for WASP is WACP (or "White Anglo-Celtic Protestant"), but that's too hard to pronounce. You can't say it and make it sound like a hiss.

    “there is a Gaelic epithet the Highland Scots had for the Angl0-Saxons – “Sassenach”,”: oh dear God, this thread gets even sillier. “Sassenach” means ‘Saxon’.

  88. @Forbes
    Private schools all around the country all fully on-board the progressive mission of diversity, and hand out financial aid/discounted tuition to "underserved" populations. The reason the sticker price is $30,000+ is because many aren't paying full price. On the other hand, rarely do these school give free rides, if only to demonstrate the family's sacrifice as an indication of commitment--the last thing the school wants is a wash-out from underserved students.

    As on college campuses, why do you think affirmative action bake sales are controversial?
    Truth hurts.

    Are they? And why would they be at the HS level?

    Many, if not most of the US’s elite prep schools tend to average around 92-95% white. Therefore, are you suggesting that the 1-2 or actually the 1% African-American students are there primarily due to tokenism, or Affirmative Action? The other percentages are filled of course by Asians of all nations.

    That makes absolutely no sense at all. A 30+k per yr sticker price is there for a specific reason. The private preps want the money. They are private, meaning they don’t receive government funding. They expect to get the money from some population and generally they do. Actually it would be debatable whether or not there are enough top African-American school kids from the top 1% in income earning families to fill about at most….four or five elite prep schools in the entire US. Black top 1% bona fide right side of bell curve numbers simply aren’t there based on income, student IQ, etc.

    “the last thing the school wants is a wash-out from underserved students.”

    But, that would automatically eliminate about ca.99% of student-athletes. So perhaps many schools look the other way for their basketball/football students in order to compete for their rinky dink local sport title and the tradeoff is they make sure they get their 30+k per yr in tuition from all their other students, cause the money matters or they wouldn’t charge it.

    Perhaps at some level it’s a marketing point: “See? Several of our alumni graduated and ended up in the NBA/NFL, etc.” Although for the most part, the schools that W, Al Gore, didn’t seem to have tons of future NBA/NFLers, wonder why?

    Guess they had to struggle along on concentrating on academics first and foremost, like the U. of Chicago….they don’t give a damn about sports but about education.

  89. @vinny
    Over the last 30 years or so, The Simpsons have made quite a few jokes about Scotsmen being a bit weird and lower class.

    Willie: “Brothers and sisters are natural enemies – like Englishmen and Scots. Or Welshmen and Scots. Or Japanese and Scots. Or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots, they RUINED Scotland!”
    Seymour: “You Scots sure are a contentious people.”
    Willie: “You’ve just made an enemy for life!”

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Or as the cartoonishly villainous Edward the First (malleus scotorum) said in the film "Braveheart," "the problem with Scotland is that it is full of Scots."
  90. Maybe it’s some sort of complement -albeit a very peculiar one

    ” Hey those WASPs can carry a grudge for almost as long as us Jews “

  91. @PB and J
    Willie: "Brothers and sisters are natural enemies - like Englishmen and Scots. Or Welshmen and Scots. Or Japanese and Scots. Or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots, they RUINED Scotland!"
    Seymour: "You Scots sure are a contentious people."
    Willie: "You've just made an enemy for life!"

    Or as the cartoonishly villainous Edward the First (malleus scotorum) said in the film “Braveheart,” “the problem with Scotland is that it is full of Scots.”

  92. All this foreign Campbell-MacDonald feud talk when we have our very own native Hatfield-McCoy feud: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield%E2%80%93McCoy_feud#Hatfields_and_McCoys_in_the_modern_era

    On June 14, 2003 in Pikeville, Kentucky, the McCoy cousins partnered with Reo Hatfield of Waynesboro, Virginia, to declare an official truce between the families. Reo Hatfield said that he wanted to show that if the two families could reach an accord, others could also. He had said that he wanted to send a broader message to the world that when national security is at risk, Americans put their differences aside and stand united: “We’re not saying you don’t have to fight because sometimes you do have to fight,” he said. “But you don’t have to fight forever.” Signed by more than sixty descendants during the fourth Hatfield-McCoy Festival, the truce was touted as a proclamation of peace, saying “We ask by God’s grace and love that we be forever remembered as those that bound together the hearts of two families to form a family of freedom in America.” Governor Paul E. Patton of Kentucky and Governor Bob Wise of West Virginia signed proclamations declaring June 14 Hatfield and McCoy Reconciliation Day. Ron McCoy, one of the festival’s founders, said it is unknown where the three signed proclamations will be exhibited. “The Hatfields and McCoys symbolize violence and feuding and fighting, but by signing this, hopefully people will realize that’s not the final chapter,” he said.

    In 2011, the Hatfields and McCoys Dinner Show, a musical comedy production, opened in the resort community of Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, near the entrance to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. The dinner show is held at 8 p.m. daily. During peak tourist seasons there is also a 2 p.m. lunch program.

    The Hatfield and McCoy Reunion Festival and Marathon are held annually in June on a three-day weekend. The events take place in Pikeville, Kentucky., Matewan, West Virginia, and Williamson, West Virginia. The festival commemorates the famed feud and includes a marathon and half-marathon (the motto is “no feudin’, just runnin’”), in addition to an ATV ride in all three towns. There is also a tug-of-war across the Tug Fork tributary near which the feuding families lived, a live re-enactment of scenes from their most famous fight, a motorcycle ride, live entertainment, Hatfield-McCoy landmark tours, a cornbread contest, pancake breakfast, arts, crafts, and dancing. Launched in 2000, the festival typically attracts thousands with more than 300 runners taking part in the races.[28]

  93. @Southfarthing
    It might be of interest that Pete Campbell the WASP has a Jewish wife.

    (Trudy's maiden name is Vogel, and she's played by Allison Brie, who has a Jewish mother.)

    Is a Vogel likely to be Jewish? I’d like to know. I knew two Vogels in the Bay Area in the ’70s/80s, and both were blondes. Not determinative of course. The woman was quute good-looking, and had a classic blonde WASP frat-type boyfriend. Trudy, though, is always Jewish.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    Vogel is listed on internet sites as German, Dutch, and Ashkenazi.

    Trudy is short for Gertrude, which was in previous generations as popular as Samuel.

    http://nametrends.net/name.php?name=gertrude
    , @Southfarthing
    There were Americans even in the 70s with Jewish ancestry who people wouldn't guess, like Olivia Newton-John (37.5% Jewish: http://ethnicelebs.com/olivia-newton-john.)

    But most of the prominent Vogels listed on Wikipedia are German.
  94. @Steve Sailer
    Prep schools give scholarships all the time to athletes. Heck, they'll give a job to a parent who has a lot of good athlete kids. For example, Toby Gerhart of Stanford and NFL is one of six siblings, all good athletes. Their dad got the head coaching job at Corona Centennial.

    Campbell Hall hit the jackpot with the Holiday family of four basketball-playing siblings:

    "Holiday's parents, Shawn and Toya -- Toya is currently the ninth-grade dean and assistant athletic director at Campbell Hall -- were both college basketball players. Toya DeCree was a one-time Pac-10 Player of the Year at Arizona State, where she and Shawn played for a time, each moving on to different schools, Toya to U.S. International and Shawn to Division II Cal State-Los Angeles. Their four kids -- Justin, the oldest who is currently looking for a return to pro basketball either in Europe or the D-League after being released by Utah in the preseason -- Jrue, Lauren, a sophomore on the UCLA team, and Aaron, said by parents and siblings to be the best of them all, still at Campbell Hall."

    http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2013/11/almost_from_birth_new_orleans.html

    They come up a little short when compared to this family:

    http://www.esquire.com/sports/interviews/a29000/gronkowski-family-athletes-0614/

  95. @Enrique Cardova
    In an earlier episode, the WASP-y Ken Cosgrove explains that he didn’t like working at McCann-Erickson because it is “too Irish” and he didn’t fit in.

    Could be a personal thing but historically the Irish have been massive discriminators against other Americans including other white Americans. From the political machines that increased the corruption of America's big cities, to the cronyism and nepotism that monopolized government jobs and froze out other Americans, to the corrupt kickbacks, payoffs and manipulations of things like business licenses, government application of laws, etc etc. Other white Americans, including Jews, who refused to make the required payoffs were frozen out.

    "In the city's building trades such as plumbers and the masons, Irish-dominated unions adopted nepotistic membership requirements that kept out new arrivals... Similarly the Irish used their political connections to entrench themselves in both skilled and unskilled city government jobs for policemen, firefighters, rapid transit workers and school teachers, even before these workers had their unions recognized."

    As early as 1855 Irish men were the largest group of the cartmen of New York, including those that specialized in doing city work on sanitation, landfill road projects and the like. To be a private cartman one required a license; to work for the municipal government in particular one needed good connections. Even before the massive influx of the feminine Irish in 1843, the Democrat-dominated Common Council gave a large number of market licenses to Irish men, much to the chagrin of native American entrepreneurs."
    --FROM: Bayor and Meagher 1996, The New York Irish, 96-97

    "As a consequence, the public sector employed a full one-third of first, second and third-generation Irish Americans in 1930 compared with just 6 percent in 1900. This patronage helped produce a heavy concentration of Irish in jobs on the fire and police departments and in municipally owned subways, streetcars, waterworks and port facilities. Many of the city's Irish middle class worked on the public payroll, especially in the public schools, and thousands of others labored in construction jobs tied to city expenditures. For second-generation Irish-American women, jobs as schoolteachers were the most sought-after career. Such patronage policies would help to bind the Irish working class and much of the middle class Tammany Hall for another generation."
    --Bayor and Meagher 1996. The New York Irish, p. 313
     
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    The white Irish also figured prominently in establishment of corrupt urban political machines – spread across America- from Daley in Chicago, to Frank Hague in Jersey City, and numerous places in between. Let’s look at Hague. Hague has a widely known reputation for corruption and bossism and has been called “the granddaddy of Jersey bosses.” By the time he left office in 1947, he enjoyed palatial homes, European vacations, and a private suite at the Plaza Hotel. His wealth has been estimated to have been over $10 million at the time of his death, although his City salary never exceeded $8,500 per year and he had no other legitimate source of income.

    During the height of his power Hague’s political machine, known as “the organization,” was one of the most powerful in the United States controlling politics on local, county, and state levels. Hague’s personal influence extended to the national level, influencing federal patronage and Presidential campaigns. The white Irish also greatly increased voter fraud in running America' big cities. Under Irish boss Hague for example, Jersey City had 160,050 registered voters, but only 147,000 people who were at least 21 years old—the legal voting age.
    (Sources: Jersey City's Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses...". Life. 1938-02-07. p. 45; Hague's End", TIME, 1949-05-23).

    White politicians like Hague caused massive tax burdens to be laid on hard-working white people, from Boston to Jersey. Indeed some of these taxes bankrupted certain businesses. (Jersey City's Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses...". Life. 1938-02-07) Other notorious white public feeders – some of the worse leaders in America- include Chicago’s “Big Bill” Thompson, and James Curley of Boston. But not to worry. In their footsteps followed people like Richard Daley and Governor Rod Blagojevich, now doing 14 years in prison. (See book- Gerald Leinwand 2004. Mackerels in the Moonlight: Four Corrupt American Mayors.)

    The white Irish also pioneered "official" or "legal" thuggery and abuse of civil liberties in running America' cities. Irish boss Hague for had a law passed requiring making political speeches to obtain clearance from the chief of police. A 1930 ordinance gave the public safety commissioner—Hague himself—the power to turn down permits for meetings if he felt it necessary to prevent "riots, disturbances or disorderly assemblage." The latter ordinance was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States, but continued to be enforced for several years after that decision. The white Irish police were also allowed to stop and search anyone without probable cause or a warrant after 9 pm. (Sources: Jersey City's Mayor Hague: Last of the Bosses...". Life. 1938-02-07. p. 45).

    Thompson was a Republican and not Irish. He was corrupt and mob connected. He had many Irish allies and he appealed to the Irish using anti-British sentiment.

  96. @Marty
    Is a Vogel likely to be Jewish? I'd like to know. I knew two Vogels in the Bay Area in the '70s/80s, and both were blondes. Not determinative of course. The woman was quute good-looking, and had a classic blonde WASP frat-type boyfriend. Trudy, though, is always Jewish.

    Vogel is listed on internet sites as German, Dutch, and Ashkenazi.

    Trudy is short for Gertrude, which was in previous generations as popular as Samuel.

    http://nametrends.net/name.php?name=gertrude

  97. @manton
    No idea, but Short Cuts and Magnolia are so similar that the latter is almost a remake. The former is better, though.

    I really want to like PTA. But his movies always seem to lack something. Even as a chronicler of California, he gets much wrong. E.g., Boogie Nights, probably his best film, all takes place in the SFV, but at a time (1977-1980 or so) when porn was shot in the Bay Area and not at all in SoCal. It was only in the early '80s when the LAPD stopped trying to enforce indecency laws that porn moved to the Valley.

    Boogie Nights’s main plot is heavily borrowed from Singing in the Rain, by the way. Same storyline just updated.

  98. @syonredux

    I believe there were anti-Scottish riots in Massachusetts in the 18th century,
     
    Scots-Irish.The Massachusetts Bay English found them too rowdy and rambunctious for their tastes.And they contemptuously referred to them as "Irish." They were "encouraged" to settle elsewhere (cf places like the aptly named Londonderry, New Hampshire).

    That wasn't uncommon.For example, the Pennsylvania Quakers did their best to keep the Scots-Irish out of Philadelphia by settling them on the frontier, where their warlike nature could be put to good use (cf James Logan's comments about how he planted the Scots-Irish in the Western part of the colony "as a frontier in case of any disturbance," Fischer, Albion's Seed, 633)

    And of course the Scots-Irish were among the founding of Western PA around the time of the French and Indian War. In DeMille’s Unconquered which deals with the western frontier pre-Revolution, which would be of course, Fort Pitt, there’s a delightful line during a meeting of what to do regarding the Indian uprisings in the new lands recently open by the crown to settlers: “I’m half a mind that only the Irish can truly understand the Indian.”—Double meaning of course since the war belts have been passed and the uprisings are close at hand. Logan was one of the names at the council meeting.

    Of course, the Irish he meant were the Scots-Irish, many of whom settled in Western PA during the mid 18th century.

  99. @Marty
    Is a Vogel likely to be Jewish? I'd like to know. I knew two Vogels in the Bay Area in the '70s/80s, and both were blondes. Not determinative of course. The woman was quute good-looking, and had a classic blonde WASP frat-type boyfriend. Trudy, though, is always Jewish.

    There were Americans even in the 70s with Jewish ancestry who people wouldn’t guess, like Olivia Newton-John (37.5% Jewish: http://ethnicelebs.com/olivia-newton-john.)

    But most of the prominent Vogels listed on Wikipedia are German.

  100. I suspect Dylan Matthews can think of an even better example than Irish-Americans of an even more economically privileged American ethnic group who like to talk about all the oppression they have suffered.

    I read somewhere that there are only about 15 million Jews in the whole entire world.

    How they’ve managed to keep the other 7 billion of us surrounded on all sides, at all times, is truly a wonderment.

  101. Filmer says: • Website

    As a middle-class Southern white boy, all this is entirely foreign to me because most of my milieu was homogeneous sameness. The only exoticness that got you any street cred was if you could claim some Cherokee ancestry. I recall noting when I was a kid that people with “odd” sounding last names were usually Catholic and inevitably transplants. So when people would ask “what are you” it was always something that you had supposedly looked into based on the last names in your family tree, not something you knew intuitively.

  102. […] pick up on the underlying hostility. Steve Sailer has been following this issue closely. I find this post fascinating, a seemingly out of nowhere little scene, actually has a lot of meaning and historical context […]

  103. @Jacobite
    As well they should still.

    Well, one could argue for pure agnatic primogeniture after the French Legitimist customs, and I would sympathize on many levels.

    But succession to both the English and the Scottish crowns had been manipulated through acts of the respective parliaments before, going right back to medieval times. [More anciently, the Scots had tanistry as well and the Saxons had a sort of it, but let’s stick with medieval Norman style monarchy as it evolved after the 11th century]. Granted, generally with more impetus coming from a reigning monarch manipulating his own succession, but also with royal dynasts and aristocrats politicking over it too. The basic precedent that parliament could be at least the forum for settling the dispute and the instrument for legislating it existed by at least the 14th century in England and not much later in Scotland.

    Henry VIII used his will to manipulate the ranking of his heirs, itself a violation of pure primogeniture under which the monarch would not choose his successor. Henry got his will passed as an act of parliament. When his son Edward VI, knowing he was dying young, tried to disinherit his sisters Mary [because Catholic] and Elizabeth [Protestant but Edward’s case against Mary relied on both sisters being illegitimate] in favour of his cousins in the Grey family, there was uproar. And not just for the pragmatic reason that Mary had allies with arms. The public was even outraged that Mary’s rights were to be violated, because Edward had neglected to get his will enacted by parliament so as to override his father’s. So Henry’s will lived on.

    Now, all of that and earlier precedent created the notion that parliament could be used to legitimize a king’s choice of successor, and to adjudicate disputes thereon. What it did not do was create the precedent that parliament could either depose a king in place, or end the monarchy altogether. Quite apart from the fact that the 1660 settlement introduced a period of political reaction, from a strict constitutional perspective only a parliament called by the king is legal, and its powers are not wholly separable. So how could the actions of the rump in 1649 be lawful? It had no authority to do that, nor then to govern alone. What parliament COULD do, when the survivors of the Long parliament assembled in full in 1660, was recognize that Charles II was king and ask him to return to take up his office.

    Apply all that to 1688 and what does it produce? Parliament cannot depose a king nor change the dynasty completely with any kind of precedent. But it can identify a successor from among the heirs of a former king and it possibly can declare the throne vacant [I feel there was 15th century precedent at minimum for that]. It has also been used many times before to legislate on religious matters and to uphold the king’s supremacy over a protestant church.

    So my interpretation would be: Parliament could not abolish the crown and still cannot. It sits by right of being summoned as well as by election. Parliament could not [arguably] lawfully depose James II, although his oaths and obligations and his actions in upholding them were certainly disputable in matters of both law and religion. It could not disinherit all heirs of former monarchs and select someone without blood descent or of unrelated foreign descent [arguably]. But it could require the king follow his oaths, it could uphold constitutional precedent against him, it might have found precedent for ejecting him on these bases, but in his fortuitous decision to flee and toss the seal in the river he gave serious heft to their declaration that he had constructively abdicated. His decision to go and carry on in his Irish realm and to levy war against England could be considered refutation of that, but then it would also be considered raising an army to suppress England in violation of his oaths. So with the throne vacant, parliament could identify a successor, and it would be within its rights and duties to identify successors from among the royal family who would fulfill the coronation oaths to the law and the Protestant religion.

    Parliament was obliged to defend the Protestant identity of church and state, and it found monarchs who would do that. And all from the royal house. Mary and Anne were James’ own daughters, and William was a descendant of the Stuarts in his own right. The Hanoverians were not a random choice after Anne died either. They were the genealogically nearest heirs of James I, and through him via the Stuarts back to Henry VII of England, who would uphold the customary laws and religious settlement that parliament was bound to defend. And by prior monarchs at that.

    Sorry to be long winded. Given time, I might be able to expel all that more clearly.

    At any rate, genealogy being what it is, the traditional Anglo-Scottish custom of agnatic male-preference primogeniture without regard to 1688 would indeed produce Jacobite heirs more senior than the descendants of Sophia of Hanover, but they’d also be Germans. It’s been the Wittelsbach house of Bavaria for over a century now.

  104. @Grumpy Old Man
    Can the Celtic Scots be WASPs?

    They’re not full Celts. Neither are the Irish, of course, but the Scots are more thoroughly a mix of peoples at the founding, though without too much admixture between that and the 20th century thereafter.

    The southeast was Angle [Northumbrian] for several centuries before anything like a Scottish realm coalesced, and when it did those Angles were a founding part of it even if the Gaelic speakers [who arrived in the west at about the time the Angles did in the east] dominated the country for about 350 years after that.

    The north and west are full of Norwegian, also. Although much of that settlement started at around the time a Scottish realm was forming, they probably qualify as founding peoples as well.

    That’s two streams of Germanic of which the earlier was specifically Anglos, one albeit initially dominant stream of Irish [Gaelic] Celt, all of the foregoing being settler colonists in historical times, plus the indigenous to the south British Celts [Welsh] and whatever the Picts were [maybe Celts].

    I call that a mixed people, proudly, by Robert E. Howard standards.

    Presuming the language and cultural history has any bearing on the actual ethnicity of any of these people, of course.

  105. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "I remember in college hearing an Irish-American classmate protest that he wasn’t really white; he wasn’t an Englishman, and he didn’t have those privileges. It sounded ridiculous at the time, and even more so now. It was a narcissism of small differences, a person in a position of privilege desperately trying to claim the mantle of the underdog without enduring any actual oppression."

    Speaking as an Irish-American, as it were, I must say, I quite sympathize with these remarks. It is ever so tiresome to encounter middle class rubes who are living well, here in the good ol' U.S. of A., and yet they're still griping about how they're being oppressed by the Queen. Admittedly, in the year 2015, such Tom Foolery is generally a feature of online discussion, rather than anything which occurs in "real life."

    As a general rule, people of Irish descent, who fail to identify as "White," actually annoy me more than Nordicist imbeciles who claim "the Irish aren't White."

    I agree that last notion is pretty stupid. The Celts of Ireland have some Norse in them but more than that they are capable of producing blondes albeit at a much lesser rate, and redheads at a much greater rate, than the Scandinavians. There is nothing whiter than a pale, freckled redhead.

    Also, since Celts were the previous inhabitants of most of what is now Germany, Britain, the low countries and France, among other places, and possibly still provide a good chunk of the genome in all of them, I like to think of them as the original Europeans. The original white bread, as it were.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    Weren't the Germanic tribes the indigenous people of Germany going back to when the dark-skinned European hunter-gatherers mixed with Middle Eastern farmers?
  106. @random observer
    I agree that last notion is pretty stupid. The Celts of Ireland have some Norse in them but more than that they are capable of producing blondes albeit at a much lesser rate, and redheads at a much greater rate, than the Scandinavians. There is nothing whiter than a pale, freckled redhead.

    Also, since Celts were the previous inhabitants of most of what is now Germany, Britain, the low countries and France, among other places, and possibly still provide a good chunk of the genome in all of them, I like to think of them as the original Europeans. The original white bread, as it were.

    Weren’t the Germanic tribes the indigenous people of Germany going back to when the dark-skinned European hunter-gatherers mixed with Middle Eastern farmers?

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