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From The Nation:

When Environmentalism Meets Xenophobia

The conservative conservation movement’s dark history of racism and eugenics.
By Gaby Del Valle NOVEMBER 8, 2018

On his prime-time show in August, Fox News host Tucker Carlson declared that his opposition to immigration partly stems from his deep love for the environment. Instead of banning helium balloons, plastic straws, and other “things that bring ordinary people joy,” Carlson suggested, liberals would be better advised to get tough on immigration. “I actually hate litter, which is one of the reasons I’m so against illegal immigration: It produces a huge amount of litter—a huge amount of litter,” Carlson said. “And I mean that with total sincerity.”

Carlson’s comment was mostly lost amid the uproar over the separation and indefinite detention of migrant children and their families at the US-Mexican border. But those who did catch it found themselves a bit confused about his point. “It’s unclear whether Carlson was equating migrants themselves with trash or making an assumption about the litter they produce when they enter the country,” wrote Salon’s Rachel Leah. “The latter seems odd, and the former undoubtedly bigoted and hateful.”

Odd as it may seem, though, Carlson was indeed implying that undocumented immigrants pose a serious threat to the country’s ecosystems. In doing so, he was continuing—perhaps inadvertently—a century-old tradition of American politicians, philanthropists, and public figures blaming immigrants for the country’s environmental woes.

In the latter decades of the 19th century, outspoken nativist environmentalists lobbied for restrictions on hunting and for the creation of national parks, all while warning of the dangers posed by “inferior” people from Southern and Eastern Europe and advocating policies that would prevent them from coming to the United States.

If it weren’t for all those racist xenophobes, there wouldn’t be a buffalo left alive in Yellowstone National Park, which wouldn’t exist either, which just proves how racist America is. Or something.

It’s really hard these days for followers of the conventional wisdom to think in terms other than of Good People and Bad People. Good People to do Good Things, so if undocumented workers (definitely some of the Good People) are littering and Tucker Carlson (a very Bad Person) is criticizing them for it, then littering must be good. Or if littering is bad, Carlson must be hallucinating in accusing the Good People of doing a Bad Thing. Or let’s not think about it and get Carlson banned from television so we don’t have to ever think about it.

In reality, of course Latino immigrants litter a lot, both at home and here. From Expat Chronicles:

Litter in Latin America vs. the U.S.
Posted on 07. Dec, 2013 by Colin in latin america, peru

In most Latin American neighborhoods I’ve lived in, it’s custom to throw trash in the street, which is known in English as littering. …

But due to my first-world upbringing, I wasn’t comfortable with any and all littering. For example, I wouldn’t throw a water bottle from a taxi window, especially in traffic. I realized how uppity this behavior was when I returned to Peru and shacked up with my wife, Milagros. She would notice me holding on to a bottle in a taxi. She’d take it from me and, without hesitation, roll down her window and drop the bottle onto the street, regardless of whether we were moving. She always did this with a look of satisfaction, as if she’d just finished washing the dishes or cleaning the bathroom. I never stopped getting a kick out of handing her my trash and seeing her prompt disposal and look of satisfaction.

Obviously that had to stop in America. This famous anti-litter commercial starring Indian impersonator, Iron Eyes Cody, helped form the base of gringo uneasiness with litter.

That ad was part of an entire anti-pollution campaign (see another) called Keep America Beautiful, which still exists today. Every state in the union passed laws mandating fines for “litterbugs.”

So wifey’s little disposals had to stop. It never occurred to me until she did it in America. She threw a small wrapper out the window while I was driving. I stopped the car as if I were going to put it in reverse, back up, and pick up the trash. I stopped long enough to make sure there were no police in my rearview mirror before putting it back in drive and continuing on my merry way.

But I immediately instructed Milagros never to do that again. Police will stop you in this country for that. Her eyes grew wide in disbelief, and she asked, “¿En serio?” in that singing, exaggerated Arequipa accent, (serioooooooo). Yes, I replied, seriously. The police will stop me and give me a big fine. …

Milagros now understands the American distaste for litter. It’s one of those cultural nuances you have to learn on the ground.

The long running Don’t Mess with Texas anti-littering campaign did some research into this topic:

2002 HISPANIC LITTER SURVEY—FACT SHEET

CURRENT LITTERING BEHAVIOR
Admit to littering in the last three months:

More than 30 percent of Hispanic Texans
19.3 percent of Texans in the General Market

Texas was about 1/3rd Latino in 2002, so about twice as many Hispanics as non-Hispanics admitted to littering.

“GROSS LITTERERS”
(those who have discarded major items such as cans, bottles, and fast food trash)

9 percent of Hispanic Texans
Just over 5 percent of Texans in the General Market …

PROFILE OF A LITTERER
The profile of a Hispanic litterer in Texas is similar, but not identical, to the profile of a litterer in the General Market. In both cases, age is the single most significant predictor of littering behavior.

The typical Hispanic litterer in Texas is:

16-29 years old (25- to 29-year-olds are twice as likely to be Micro Litterers)
bilingual
a partier (goes to parties/bars more than twice a week)
male …

Would like to see the Don’t Mess with Texas litter prevention campaign continue:

95 percent of Hispanic Texans
90 percent of Texans in the General Market

Littering is one of the few social problems that actually is highly amenable to social engineering. If we directed messages to immigrants telling them that in this country it’s bad to litter, they might eventually get the message. But progressives don’t want to do progressive stuff like that anymore, because all they care about is hating the Bad People.

 
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  1. Obviously littering is wrong; however non documented immigrants should urinate on plants that look yellow and lack nitrogen. This will show their love for America and it’s environment.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    It's a tribute, not an injury; they're trying to add their humble dirt to our magic dirt. It's cute and fumbling, like children's clumsy attempts to help Mommy. Let's encourage them, and someday, when Mommy is old and worn, they'll care for us . . . and mourn the passing of our magic dirt; then, they'll move on . . . like locusts.
  2. But progressives don’t want to do progressive stuff like that anymore, because all they care about is hating the Bad People.

    Not so. Hating the Bad People is merely the means to their end of having all the power and making all the decisions.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Valid point, ultimately. Still, Rosie, Slapper and I
    are accepting new suggestions for our list:


    In their furious frenzy to turn the world brown, there is not a single principle the SJWs will refuse to jettison. Look how quickly they forgot population control, animal welfare, the environment, women’s rights, child welfare, what have you. These things were once critically important to lefties. The only thing that matters to them now is to rid the world of white people.
    -----------------------------
    This. Justice for the accused, quite possibly the oldest and most cherished Leftist principle, also goes out the window when the defendant is White.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/getting-to-denmark-vs-staying-denmark/#comment-2654592

    Mr McKenna says:
    December 4, 2018 at 9:32 am GMT
    @Rosie

    Thank you. The presumption of innocence! The right to face your accuser! The prohibition against secret evidence! I’m now making a list.

    We won’t mention free speech because we all know that’s prima facie racist.
    -----------------------------

    Slapper says:
    November 28, 2018 at 6:46 am GMT • 100 Words

    This was awesome. Thank you. Remember when the left protested corporate globalism? Remember when they talked about disaster capitalism, CIA coups d’etat, COINTELPRO false flags, the concentration of news media into ever fewer hands, and labor’s international race to the bottom? Remember when they listened to Rage Against the Machine and organized anti war rallies?

    What happened?

    http://www.unz.com/chopkins/beware-the-trumpenleft/#comment-2645337

     

    Steve:

    progressives don’t want to do progressive stuff like that anymore, because all they care about is hating the Bad People.
     

    , @TomSchmidt
    They know that only the bad people can threaten their power. They think they can control the brown people like the Conquistadors in Mexico, not killing off the native population but instead placing themselves at the top of society,like inserting a new queen into a beehive.

    Their eventual comeuppance will be something I won't view, but it will be epic, and great.
  3. Littering is one of the few social problems that actually is highly amenable to social engineering.

    But, by the looks of it, disposing of litter properly is something some people don’t have to be taught. That’s one of the burdens of diversity – the trouble and expense of teaching immigrants to do things that come naturally to the natives.

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'But, by the looks of it, disposing of litter properly is something some people don’t have to be taught. That’s one of the burdens of diversity – the trouble and expense of teaching immigrants to do things that come naturally to the natives.'

    This -- rather obviously -- isn't true. People do have to be taught to not litter. Native-born Americans used to litter constantly. Hence the anti-littering campaigns of the mid-Sixties.

    Back then, we used to comment that there was no litter in Sweden, for example. But that was merely because they hadn't discovered disposable products. Swedes still used cloth handkerchieves. There were no paper coffee cups. Et Cetera.

    Once they started using paper and plastic, they started littering too. Then presumably they mounted the same public service campaign we did. I dunno about the Japanese, but everyone else seems to be born a litterer and has to be taught otherwise. In a state of nature, given a paper cup, we'll throw it on the ground when we are done with it.
  4. In the ex – French, ex – British West Indies: No Litter
    In the Hispanic West Indies?: You can’t see the water for the plastic.
    Real eyes-on knowledge.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I couldn't believe the amount of litter in Puerto Rico when I vacationed there. Not only were the roadsides covered with it, but so were the popular public beaches. It looked like no one had picked anything up in 10 years, and for all I know that was the case.
  5. In the ex – French, ex – British West Indies: No Litter
    In the Hispanic West Indies?: You can’t see the water for the plastic.
    Real eyes-on knowledge.

    The BWI have also avoided the tyranny seen in the others. So they did learn something from us.

  6. OT: Eerie – these people don’t actually exist. Their pictures were created by machine algorithms:

    https://petapixel.com/2018/12/17/these-portraits-were-made-by-ai-none-of-these-people-exist/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Good. Then we don't need any immigrants at all. We can just cook people up this way. They take up less space!
    , @adreadline
    No doubt advanced stuff, but it's not altogether unexpected we'd get to this point. The linear algebra book we used (Anton & Rorres, 2000) opens with several distinct, real pictures of a woman in different stages of her life (say, in early 20s, late 30s, mid 50s, then 70s) and many more ''fake'' computer-generated pictures which serve to smooth out her transition between each stage. Artificially ageing people's pictures (accurately, not ridiculously), showcasing the differences between straight and gay faces (was it the ''gaydar''?), as well as that short-lived race-switching app might have been based on very similar principles. The results are also all rather convincing people who do not exist, which were created by algorithms (from existing data). Still, the specific implementation is key, and here they did it really well.

    On topic, if behavioral traits are inheritable, then you'd expect different populations to have different propensities for littering, which would persist even if you showed them all the sad crying Native American Indian or gave them shocks every time they thought of littering. It'd not be too complicated to check if this actually occurs or not, now would it?
  7. anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:

    when my sister was at Tulane for grad school New Orleans had tried to explain to people that they just weren’t doing recycling at the moment (I don’t know if it was a post-katrina thing or a political thing or what).

    But the wypipo from outside Louisiana just couldn’t stop separating recycling from trash.

    Finally, New Orleans just let them have their symbolic recycling bins back even though it was going directly to the trash with the garbage bins.

    • Replies: @Lot
    It is common around here for small apartment complexes to have a dumpster marked recycling that is dumped in with the regular trash by Waste Management trucks.

    The fake recycling dumpster at least is helpful to the can-collecting bums.

    The number of places that take back soda cans for deposits is dwindling toward zero now. It is profitable still, but any business owner who tries to do it attracts bums plus drug dealers who serve them. They then face the wrath of other businesses and homeowners.

    As a result, the once ubiquitous bum pushing a cart with 100s of cans is rare now despite more bums overall. Instead the picking is done by guys who have cars to take them to the few remote recycling centers still open.
  8. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Eerie - these people don't actually exist. Their pictures were created by machine algorithms:

    https://petapixel.com/2018/12/17/these-portraits-were-made-by-ai-none-of-these-people-exist/

    Good. Then we don’t need any immigrants at all. We can just cook people up this way. They take up less space!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Good. Then we don’t need any immigrants at all. We can just cook people up this way. They take up less space!
     
    Indeed. I bet they all vote Democrat too.
  9. 30 years ago I did a stint of “community service”, cleaning up Flushing Meadows Park in Queens New York (site of the old Worlds Fair grounds) on weekends. Then, as now, Flushing Meadows is very popular with Latins for weekend fun, relaxation and repast. The people were all friendly and nice, but……the litter, the absolute crush of the filth and litter left behind by the partiers, worse so, as it festered for long hours in the hot, humid New York sun. It was remarkable and startling then, no different now. And of course the same park regulations against barbecuing, litter, etc. prevailed in Queens as it does in Manhattan’s beautiful Central Park. Never witnessed a single enforcement action against the vendors, barbecuers, litterers. Not once. Surprised?

    A popular Peruvian delicacy, whose gnawed remains I would pick up with my fork was the Guinea Pig on the stick. I scooped up hundreds of those things.

  10. The typical Hispanic litterer in Texas

    Anagram for “Hispanic literrers”:

    thirstier pelicans

    Stereotype of Pelicans:

    The pelican who can carry people around.

    In reality this is impossible, as the beak cannot be used for supporting creatures that heavy.

    A delightful metaphor for the trope that Hispanic labor will support the welfare/social-security systems. “In reality, this is impossible.”

    The wisdom of the anagram. Believe it. The Anagram never lies.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    I will never engage with a man named Keith A. Marvel, thanks to anagram.
  11. I smiled at a recent advertisement I saw on the bus for PETA shaming milk drinkers. It was nice to get a blast from the past to calmer times when leftists had interests other than destroying bad whites.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    It's still part of destroying whites. Milk is white, you see. Not only that, it's racist to be able to digest it.
  12. It isn’t just Latinos. If you, as I did, take the slow train north from Mandalay to visit George Orwell’s abode in northern Burma, you will be able to view a literal layer of discarded plastic on either side of the rail around stations. The reason? At each station, women come into the train and walk down the aisle selling food, which is served in plastic bags or styrofoam containers, which are subsequently thrown out the open windows on the ground on either side of the tracks.

    I understand most of the floating plastic in the Pacific Ocean is also from Asia.

    Do you think they act differently if they immigrate here?

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    I was appalled when I saw a friend of mine from the Middle East, here in the U.S. as a medical resident, suddenly toss his plastic water bottle into the water as we were walking along, enjoying the day.

    Do these things really have to be taught and, if so, do we really need such obtuse people?

    , @Jim Don Bob
    Shocking study reveals 90% of global plastic waste comes from just TEN rivers in Asia and Africa.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5910011/Plastic-bag-ban-criticised-90-cent-plastic-waste-comes-rivers-Asia-Africa.html

    2) A friend of mine in Ohio rented a house to a foreign born doctor. The mail box was at the start of the longish house driveway. One day a neighbor called to complain about the trash by the mail box. It seems the MD went through his mail at the mail box, and simply dropped anything he didn't want on the ground.
  13. The conservative conservation movement’s dark history of racism and eugenics.

    Shouldn’t all histories of racism and eugenics be “light histories”?

  14. Latrine-os?

    • LOL: JMcG
  15. Any predictions on how the shutdown ends?

    I rate the odds:

    50% chance, Trump capitulates, Nancy and Chuck don’t compromise one penny over their last 1.6B “border security no wall” offer. It plays out like this: Trump’s swampy staffers like Mulveny and Mnuchen tell Congress Trump will sign Nancy’s offer behind his back, it passes Congress, Trump threatens to veto the whole time… but then signs it.

    35% chance, minor fig leaf Dem concessions. Maybe $2 bill total, can be used to upgrade and extend a tiny bit existing fencing. Maybe a few miles of Trump’s artistic bollard around San Diego and El Paso.

    15% chance, Trump sticks it out, wins, gets at least $3.5 billion for a real physical barrier.

    Given I think the first scenario is most likely, I won’t be too disappointed to at least get option 2. On the bright side, there will be something Trump can spin, and the slightest concession to Trump will enrage the hard lefties against Chuck and Nancy.

    • Replies: @Hail
    There's the final outcome, and there's what happens along the way.

    If this is a hostage crisis and Trump is the hostage taker, he has a lot of hostages remaining that he can 'kill' to show he is serious. If the Syria and Afghanistan announcements constitute 'shooting two hostages,' what more could come?
    , @TTSSYF
    I think it's Option 3. Trump's win was based on it.
  16. @Lot
    Any predictions on how the shutdown ends?

    I rate the odds:

    50% chance, Trump capitulates, Nancy and Chuck don't compromise one penny over their last 1.6B "border security no wall" offer. It plays out like this: Trump's swampy staffers like Mulveny and Mnuchen tell Congress Trump will sign Nancy's offer behind his back, it passes Congress, Trump threatens to veto the whole time... but then signs it.

    35% chance, minor fig leaf Dem concessions. Maybe $2 bill total, can be used to upgrade and extend a tiny bit existing fencing. Maybe a few miles of Trump's artistic bollard around San Diego and El Paso.

    15% chance, Trump sticks it out, wins, gets at least $3.5 billion for a real physical barrier.

    Given I think the first scenario is most likely, I won't be too disappointed to at least get option 2. On the bright side, there will be something Trump can spin, and the slightest concession to Trump will enrage the hard lefties against Chuck and Nancy.

    There’s the final outcome, and there’s what happens along the way.

    If this is a hostage crisis and Trump is the hostage taker, he has a lot of hostages remaining that he can ‘kill’ to show he is serious. If the Syria and Afghanistan announcements constitute ‘shooting two hostages,’ what more could come?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    I like your thinking. This could become fun.
  17. @anonymous
    when my sister was at Tulane for grad school New Orleans had tried to explain to people that they just weren't doing recycling at the moment (I don't know if it was a post-katrina thing or a political thing or what).

    But the wypipo from outside Louisiana just couldn't stop separating recycling from trash.

    Finally, New Orleans just let them have their symbolic recycling bins back even though it was going directly to the trash with the garbage bins.

    It is common around here for small apartment complexes to have a dumpster marked recycling that is dumped in with the regular trash by Waste Management trucks.

    The fake recycling dumpster at least is helpful to the can-collecting bums.

    The number of places that take back soda cans for deposits is dwindling toward zero now. It is profitable still, but any business owner who tries to do it attracts bums plus drug dealers who serve them. They then face the wrath of other businesses and homeowners.

    As a result, the once ubiquitous bum pushing a cart with 100s of cans is rare now despite more bums overall. Instead the picking is done by guys who have cars to take them to the few remote recycling centers still open.

  18. @Hail

    The typical Hispanic litterer in Texas
     
    Anagram for "Hispanic literrers":

    thirstier pelicans
     
    Stereotype of Pelicans:

    The pelican who can carry people around.

    In reality this is impossible, as the beak cannot be used for supporting creatures that heavy.
     
    A delightful metaphor for the trope that Hispanic labor will support the welfare/social-security systems. "In reality, this is impossible."

    The wisdom of the anagram. Believe it. The Anagram never lies.

    I will never engage with a man named Keith A. Marvel, thanks to anagram.

  19. China has the best sort of recycling, which is fake recycling:

  20. @Rob McX

    Littering is one of the few social problems that actually is highly amenable to social engineering.
     
    But, by the looks of it, disposing of litter properly is something some people don't have to be taught. That's one of the burdens of diversity - the trouble and expense of teaching immigrants to do things that come naturally to the natives.

    ‘But, by the looks of it, disposing of litter properly is something some people don’t have to be taught. That’s one of the burdens of diversity – the trouble and expense of teaching immigrants to do things that come naturally to the natives.’

    This — rather obviously — isn’t true. People do have to be taught to not litter. Native-born Americans used to litter constantly. Hence the anti-littering campaigns of the mid-Sixties.

    Back then, we used to comment that there was no litter in Sweden, for example. But that was merely because they hadn’t discovered disposable products. Swedes still used cloth handkerchieves. There were no paper coffee cups. Et Cetera.

    Once they started using paper and plastic, they started littering too. Then presumably they mounted the same public service campaign we did. I dunno about the Japanese, but everyone else seems to be born a litterer and has to be taught otherwise. In a state of nature, given a paper cup, we’ll throw it on the ground when we are done with it.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Okay ... but then why do some people always mount public service campaigns against littering (Swedes, Japanese, legacy Americans) and some people don't (third world)?

    You've just restated the premise with somewhat different words.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    I was in Japan in 1980 visiting my brother who had been living there. It's a clean country, but when we drove out into the unpopulated mountains
    outside Kyoto I was startled to see a lot of trash by the road. My brother said "They think it's okay to litter here because no one owns it."

    Don't know if that's still the case.
  21. Like everything, littering has mostly to do with intelligence.

    It won’t make a difference whether I litter or not.

    Simple, and convincing, because true. One person not littering will not make a difference.

    On the other hand, the following requires a lot of clock cycles:

    It won’t make a difference whether I litter or not. But:
    Other people are like me.
    Therefore other people think like me.
    Therefore other people will litter too.
    Therefore there will be a lot of litter.
    Therefore the world will be an ugly and unsanitary place for me to live in.
    For that not to happen everybody will individually need to change their behavior.
    I am part of everybody.
    Therefore I will need to change my own behavior.

    You can spoon feed somewhat dumb people the conclusion of such a train of thought. In a crying Indian commercial, for example. But really dumb people won’t ever take to it, which is why places like Africa and Mexico are so dirty..

  22. @Hail
    There's the final outcome, and there's what happens along the way.

    If this is a hostage crisis and Trump is the hostage taker, he has a lot of hostages remaining that he can 'kill' to show he is serious. If the Syria and Afghanistan announcements constitute 'shooting two hostages,' what more could come?

    I like your thinking. This could become fun.

  23. @Reg Cæsar

    But progressives don’t want to do progressive stuff like that anymore, because all they care about is hating the Bad People.

     

    Not so. Hating the Bad People is merely the means to their end of having all the power and making all the decisions.

    Valid point, ultimately. Still, Rosie, Slapper and I
    are accepting new suggestions for our list:

    In their furious frenzy to turn the world brown, there is not a single principle the SJWs will refuse to jettison. Look how quickly they forgot population control, animal welfare, the environment, women’s rights, child welfare, what have you. These things were once critically important to lefties. The only thing that matters to them now is to rid the world of white people.
    —————————–
    This. Justice for the accused, quite possibly the oldest and most cherished Leftist principle, also goes out the window when the defendant is White.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/getting-to-denmark-vs-staying-denmark/#comment-2654592

    Mr McKenna says:
    December 4, 2018 at 9:32 am GMT
    @Rosie

    Thank you. The presumption of innocence! The right to face your accuser! The prohibition against secret evidence! I’m now making a list.

    We won’t mention free speech because we all know that’s prima facie racist.
    —————————–

    Slapper says:
    November 28, 2018 at 6:46 am GMT • 100 Words

    This was awesome. Thank you. Remember when the left protested corporate globalism? Remember when they talked about disaster capitalism, CIA coups d’etat, COINTELPRO false flags, the concentration of news media into ever fewer hands, and labor’s international race to the bottom? Remember when they listened to Rage Against the Machine and organized anti war rallies?

    What happened?

    http://www.unz.com/chopkins/beware-the-trumpenleft/#comment-2645337

    Steve:

    progressives don’t want to do progressive stuff like that anymore, because all they care about is hating the Bad People.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Remember when the left protested corporate globalism? Remember when they talked about disaster capitalism, CIA coups d’etat, COINTELPRO false flags, the concentration of news media into ever fewer hands, and labor’s international race to the bottom? Remember when they listened to Rage Against the Machine and organized anti war rallies?
     
    Except for the CIA thing, no, I don't.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Thank you. The presumption of innocence! The right to face your accuser! The prohibition against secret evidence! I’m now making a list.
     
    The presumption of innocence grew out of the Spanish Inquisition. The state was all too ready to execute heretics, but the Church insisted that they first be proven to be heretics. Otherwise, it's murder.

    So today's SJWs are actually far worse than the Church at the height of the Inquisition.

    (Yes, I know that executing actual heretics would be murder as well, to us moderns. But for the time, this was relatively humane. None of this "Let God sort 'em out" stuff.)

  24. I have to laugh at the whole Latino littering thing. When I was in high school in the Rio Grande Valley, I had a job as the lawn guy at a doctor’s office (my buddy’s dad) who shared it with a pediatrician. The first five minutes into it, I learned that Mexicans will wipe their baby’s shit on literally any sheet of paper. Needless to say, I soon fashioned myself one of those janitor’s nail-tipped trash picker uppers.

  25. PC is litterary

  26. I was driving my son and his friend home from their first day of a summer job and the first thing they asked me was why Mexicans don’t use garbage cans. The biggest part of their job was cleaning up after the Mexican families who spend all day on Sunday at the lake. Diapers, beer bottles, food, soda cans. They just throw it on the ground wherever they are standing.

  27. I hiked up an inactive volcano named Ajusco, just south of Mexico City, some years ago. It was to help getting acclimated as I was planning to climb some of the big volcanoes down there. It’s almost 13000 feet tall, but was thronged with people on the weekend day I was there.
    I was astounded at the amount of garbage on the trail. There were chicken bones, half sandwiches, diapers, paper and plastic of all descriptions. I was literally stunned. Was there ever a time when our national parks were treated like that?

  28. @KunioKun
    I smiled at a recent advertisement I saw on the bus for PETA shaming milk drinkers. It was nice to get a blast from the past to calmer times when leftists had interests other than destroying bad whites.

    It’s still part of destroying whites. Milk is white, you see. Not only that, it’s racist to be able to digest it.

  29. @Chrisnonymous
    It isn't just Latinos. If you, as I did, take the slow train north from Mandalay to visit George Orwell's abode in northern Burma, you will be able to view a literal layer of discarded plastic on either side of the rail around stations. The reason? At each station, women come into the train and walk down the aisle selling food, which is served in plastic bags or styrofoam containers, which are subsequently thrown out the open windows on the ground on either side of the tracks.

    I understand most of the floating plastic in the Pacific Ocean is also from Asia.

    Do you think they act differently if they immigrate here?

    I was appalled when I saw a friend of mine from the Middle East, here in the U.S. as a medical resident, suddenly toss his plastic water bottle into the water as we were walking along, enjoying the day.

    Do these things really have to be taught and, if so, do we really need such obtuse people?

  30. @Lot
    Any predictions on how the shutdown ends?

    I rate the odds:

    50% chance, Trump capitulates, Nancy and Chuck don't compromise one penny over their last 1.6B "border security no wall" offer. It plays out like this: Trump's swampy staffers like Mulveny and Mnuchen tell Congress Trump will sign Nancy's offer behind his back, it passes Congress, Trump threatens to veto the whole time... but then signs it.

    35% chance, minor fig leaf Dem concessions. Maybe $2 bill total, can be used to upgrade and extend a tiny bit existing fencing. Maybe a few miles of Trump's artistic bollard around San Diego and El Paso.

    15% chance, Trump sticks it out, wins, gets at least $3.5 billion for a real physical barrier.

    Given I think the first scenario is most likely, I won't be too disappointed to at least get option 2. On the bright side, there will be something Trump can spin, and the slightest concession to Trump will enrage the hard lefties against Chuck and Nancy.

    I think it’s Option 3. Trump’s win was based on it.

  31. That article has nothing to do with environmentalism and everything to do with crapping on left-right common ground. If you read comments on sites like Naked Capitalism, whenever they get to talking about banksters, some NPC will always bring up muh redlining.

  32. @Reg Cæsar

    But progressives don’t want to do progressive stuff like that anymore, because all they care about is hating the Bad People.

     

    Not so. Hating the Bad People is merely the means to their end of having all the power and making all the decisions.

    They know that only the bad people can threaten their power. They think they can control the brown people like the Conquistadors in Mexico, not killing off the native population but instead placing themselves at the top of society,like inserting a new queen into a beehive.

    Their eventual comeuppance will be something I won’t view, but it will be epic, and great.

  33. @AKAHorace
    Obviously littering is wrong; however non documented immigrants should urinate on plants that look yellow and lack nitrogen. This will show their love for America and it's environment.

    It’s a tribute, not an injury; they’re trying to add their humble dirt to our magic dirt. It’s cute and fumbling, like children’s clumsy attempts to help Mommy. Let’s encourage them, and someday, when Mommy is old and worn, they’ll care for us . . . and mourn the passing of our magic dirt; then, they’ll move on . . . like locusts.

  34. @Mr McKenna
    Valid point, ultimately. Still, Rosie, Slapper and I
    are accepting new suggestions for our list:


    In their furious frenzy to turn the world brown, there is not a single principle the SJWs will refuse to jettison. Look how quickly they forgot population control, animal welfare, the environment, women’s rights, child welfare, what have you. These things were once critically important to lefties. The only thing that matters to them now is to rid the world of white people.
    -----------------------------
    This. Justice for the accused, quite possibly the oldest and most cherished Leftist principle, also goes out the window when the defendant is White.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/getting-to-denmark-vs-staying-denmark/#comment-2654592

    Mr McKenna says:
    December 4, 2018 at 9:32 am GMT
    @Rosie

    Thank you. The presumption of innocence! The right to face your accuser! The prohibition against secret evidence! I’m now making a list.

    We won’t mention free speech because we all know that’s prima facie racist.
    -----------------------------

    Slapper says:
    November 28, 2018 at 6:46 am GMT • 100 Words

    This was awesome. Thank you. Remember when the left protested corporate globalism? Remember when they talked about disaster capitalism, CIA coups d’etat, COINTELPRO false flags, the concentration of news media into ever fewer hands, and labor’s international race to the bottom? Remember when they listened to Rage Against the Machine and organized anti war rallies?

    What happened?

    http://www.unz.com/chopkins/beware-the-trumpenleft/#comment-2645337

     

    Steve:

    progressives don’t want to do progressive stuff like that anymore, because all they care about is hating the Bad People.
     

    Remember when the left protested corporate globalism? Remember when they talked about disaster capitalism, CIA coups d’etat, COINTELPRO false flags, the concentration of news media into ever fewer hands, and labor’s international race to the bottom? Remember when they listened to Rage Against the Machine and organized anti war rallies?

    Except for the CIA thing, no, I don’t.

  35. Up here in Fremont California, there was a small park on Alemeda Creek in Niles that was used by families for years for picnics and parties. Unfortunately the water that flows down the creek is captured by the local water district for ground recharge via some abandoned quarries, Quarry Lakes.

    The park became a big attraction for the local Muchahchomen and their families. Well the water district took notice and put up signs exorting the groups to police their trash, and more importantly keep their little babies with their shitty diapers out of the water.

    Long story short, there’s now an 8 foot high chain link fence running a couple hundred feet baring all access the the water from the picnic area.

  36. Wow, that expat blog is a keeper..thanks Steve!

  37. @Colin Wright
    'But, by the looks of it, disposing of litter properly is something some people don’t have to be taught. That’s one of the burdens of diversity – the trouble and expense of teaching immigrants to do things that come naturally to the natives.'

    This -- rather obviously -- isn't true. People do have to be taught to not litter. Native-born Americans used to litter constantly. Hence the anti-littering campaigns of the mid-Sixties.

    Back then, we used to comment that there was no litter in Sweden, for example. But that was merely because they hadn't discovered disposable products. Swedes still used cloth handkerchieves. There were no paper coffee cups. Et Cetera.

    Once they started using paper and plastic, they started littering too. Then presumably they mounted the same public service campaign we did. I dunno about the Japanese, but everyone else seems to be born a litterer and has to be taught otherwise. In a state of nature, given a paper cup, we'll throw it on the ground when we are done with it.

    Okay … but then why do some people always mount public service campaigns against littering (Swedes, Japanese, legacy Americans) and some people don’t (third world)?

    You’ve just restated the premise with somewhat different words.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Okay … but then why do some people always mount public service campaigns against littering (Swedes, Japanese, legacy Americans) and some people don’t (third world)?'

    Maybe because third world governments have more pressing concerns than mounting public service campaigns against littering?

    Let's face it; an anti-littering campaign would look pretty bizarre in El Salvador or Syria. 'Hey guys: don't just leave that mangled corpse in the road.'

  38. @Reg Cæsar
    Good. Then we don't need any immigrants at all. We can just cook people up this way. They take up less space!

    Good. Then we don’t need any immigrants at all. We can just cook people up this way. They take up less space!

    Indeed. I bet they all vote Democrat too.

  39. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Progressive Indoctrination 101:
    1. People of Color have different cultures from white people and POC culture is better. Jazz and Mexican food are different and superior to white stuff.
    2. There are no cultural differences. Everyone is the same. We must have open boarders.
    3. If POC do bad things it is not their culture. White people make them do it. White people’s fault.
    4. POC do not do bad things. Look the other way.
    5. If you see logical inconsistencies in lessons 1-4, remember that logic is a trick by the white patricarchy to enslave you. F### logic.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Jazz and Mexican food are different and superior to white stuff.

    Whereas Mexican music and black food ...

  40. @Mr McKenna
    Valid point, ultimately. Still, Rosie, Slapper and I
    are accepting new suggestions for our list:


    In their furious frenzy to turn the world brown, there is not a single principle the SJWs will refuse to jettison. Look how quickly they forgot population control, animal welfare, the environment, women’s rights, child welfare, what have you. These things were once critically important to lefties. The only thing that matters to them now is to rid the world of white people.
    -----------------------------
    This. Justice for the accused, quite possibly the oldest and most cherished Leftist principle, also goes out the window when the defendant is White.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/getting-to-denmark-vs-staying-denmark/#comment-2654592

    Mr McKenna says:
    December 4, 2018 at 9:32 am GMT
    @Rosie

    Thank you. The presumption of innocence! The right to face your accuser! The prohibition against secret evidence! I’m now making a list.

    We won’t mention free speech because we all know that’s prima facie racist.
    -----------------------------

    Slapper says:
    November 28, 2018 at 6:46 am GMT • 100 Words

    This was awesome. Thank you. Remember when the left protested corporate globalism? Remember when they talked about disaster capitalism, CIA coups d’etat, COINTELPRO false flags, the concentration of news media into ever fewer hands, and labor’s international race to the bottom? Remember when they listened to Rage Against the Machine and organized anti war rallies?

    What happened?

    http://www.unz.com/chopkins/beware-the-trumpenleft/#comment-2645337

     

    Steve:

    progressives don’t want to do progressive stuff like that anymore, because all they care about is hating the Bad People.
     

    Thank you. The presumption of innocence! The right to face your accuser! The prohibition against secret evidence! I’m now making a list.

    The presumption of innocence grew out of the Spanish Inquisition. The state was all too ready to execute heretics, but the Church insisted that they first be proven to be heretics. Otherwise, it’s murder.

    So today’s SJWs are actually far worse than the Church at the height of the Inquisition.

    (Yes, I know that executing actual heretics would be murder as well, to us moderns. But for the time, this was relatively humane. None of this “Let God sort ’em out” stuff.)

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  41. @Colin Wright
    'But, by the looks of it, disposing of litter properly is something some people don’t have to be taught. That’s one of the burdens of diversity – the trouble and expense of teaching immigrants to do things that come naturally to the natives.'

    This -- rather obviously -- isn't true. People do have to be taught to not litter. Native-born Americans used to litter constantly. Hence the anti-littering campaigns of the mid-Sixties.

    Back then, we used to comment that there was no litter in Sweden, for example. But that was merely because they hadn't discovered disposable products. Swedes still used cloth handkerchieves. There were no paper coffee cups. Et Cetera.

    Once they started using paper and plastic, they started littering too. Then presumably they mounted the same public service campaign we did. I dunno about the Japanese, but everyone else seems to be born a litterer and has to be taught otherwise. In a state of nature, given a paper cup, we'll throw it on the ground when we are done with it.

    I was in Japan in 1980 visiting my brother who had been living there. It’s a clean country, but when we drove out into the unpopulated mountains
    outside Kyoto I was startled to see a lot of trash by the road. My brother said “They think it’s okay to litter here because no one owns it.”

    Don’t know if that’s still the case.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Don’t know if that’s still the case.'

    I don't recall that when we were there in 2015. We went all over Kyushu, then headed north. It wasn't until Tokyo that I saw my first cigarette butt on the ground.

    My guess is the Japanese held an anti-littering campaign at some point. Being Japan, the campaign was probably a complete success.
  42. @Capn Mike
    In the ex - French, ex - British West Indies: No Litter
    In the Hispanic West Indies?: You can't see the water for the plastic.
    Real eyes-on knowledge.

    I couldn’t believe the amount of litter in Puerto Rico when I vacationed there. Not only were the roadsides covered with it, but so were the popular public beaches. It looked like no one had picked anything up in 10 years, and for all I know that was the case.

    • Replies: @anon
    My grandparents were farmers in the Ozarks. They bought very little at the store, made their own butter, quilts, etc.
    Out behind the house was the dump where they threw the empty tin cans and other garbage. There was no garbage pick up, so what else would you do with it? Over 50 or 60 years of living there the garbage pile grew surprisingly little. Today the forest has grown over it and you would never know there was rusting garbage from long ago buried under the ground.
    Country people are notorious litterers, because in that world it just isn't a big deal, and isn't that different from what you have to do with garbage on your own farm anyway.
    As society becomes more urban and crowded those country ways have to be replaced with a new ethic of no littering. Disciplined people can learn this, and in Arkansas they have.
    I can't speak for Puerto Ricans.
  43. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    I couldn't believe the amount of litter in Puerto Rico when I vacationed there. Not only were the roadsides covered with it, but so were the popular public beaches. It looked like no one had picked anything up in 10 years, and for all I know that was the case.

    My grandparents were farmers in the Ozarks. They bought very little at the store, made their own butter, quilts, etc.
    Out behind the house was the dump where they threw the empty tin cans and other garbage. There was no garbage pick up, so what else would you do with it? Over 50 or 60 years of living there the garbage pile grew surprisingly little. Today the forest has grown over it and you would never know there was rusting garbage from long ago buried under the ground.
    Country people are notorious litterers, because in that world it just isn’t a big deal, and isn’t that different from what you have to do with garbage on your own farm anyway.
    As society becomes more urban and crowded those country ways have to be replaced with a new ethic of no littering. Disciplined people can learn this, and in Arkansas they have.
    I can’t speak for Puerto Ricans.

  44. @anon
    Progressive Indoctrination 101:
    1. People of Color have different cultures from white people and POC culture is better. Jazz and Mexican food are different and superior to white stuff.
    2. There are no cultural differences. Everyone is the same. We must have open boarders.
    3. If POC do bad things it is not their culture. White people make them do it. White people's fault.
    4. POC do not do bad things. Look the other way.
    5. If you see logical inconsistencies in lessons 1-4, remember that logic is a trick by the white patricarchy to enslave you. F### logic.

    Jazz and Mexican food are different and superior to white stuff.

    Whereas Mexican music and black food …

    • LOL: Escher
    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
    Most everything Anglos know to be Mexican food is really Tex-Mex, or maybe SouthWest, or however you define it, it's not really Mexican food. I've never been to China, but everyone who's been there has told me the Chinese food here and there is much different.

    As far as music, both Jazz and Mexican music suck about equally. There are some notably outliers, but they both suck. Though I would take Mexican if given the choice.
  45. @Harry Baldwin
    I was in Japan in 1980 visiting my brother who had been living there. It's a clean country, but when we drove out into the unpopulated mountains
    outside Kyoto I was startled to see a lot of trash by the road. My brother said "They think it's okay to litter here because no one owns it."

    Don't know if that's still the case.

    ‘Don’t know if that’s still the case.’

    I don’t recall that when we were there in 2015. We went all over Kyushu, then headed north. It wasn’t until Tokyo that I saw my first cigarette butt on the ground.

    My guess is the Japanese held an anti-littering campaign at some point. Being Japan, the campaign was probably a complete success.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  46. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Eerie - these people don't actually exist. Their pictures were created by machine algorithms:

    https://petapixel.com/2018/12/17/these-portraits-were-made-by-ai-none-of-these-people-exist/

    No doubt advanced stuff, but it’s not altogether unexpected we’d get to this point. The linear algebra book we used (Anton & Rorres, 2000) opens with several distinct, real pictures of a woman in different stages of her life (say, in early 20s, late 30s, mid 50s, then 70s) and many more ”fake” computer-generated pictures which serve to smooth out her transition between each stage. Artificially ageing people’s pictures (accurately, not ridiculously), showcasing the differences between straight and gay faces (was it the ”gaydar”?), as well as that short-lived race-switching app might have been based on very similar principles. The results are also all rather convincing people who do not exist, which were created by algorithms (from existing data). Still, the specific implementation is key, and here they did it really well.

    On topic, if behavioral traits are inheritable, then you’d expect different populations to have different propensities for littering, which would persist even if you showed them all the sad crying Native American Indian or gave them shocks every time they thought of littering. It’d not be too complicated to check if this actually occurs or not, now would it?

  47. @Almost Missouri
    Okay ... but then why do some people always mount public service campaigns against littering (Swedes, Japanese, legacy Americans) and some people don't (third world)?

    You've just restated the premise with somewhat different words.

    ‘Okay … but then why do some people always mount public service campaigns against littering (Swedes, Japanese, legacy Americans) and some people don’t (third world)?’

    Maybe because third world governments have more pressing concerns than mounting public service campaigns against littering?

    Let’s face it; an anti-littering campaign would look pretty bizarre in El Salvador or Syria. ‘Hey guys: don’t just leave that mangled corpse in the road.’

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Okay, but then why is it that some governments have bigger problems than litter while others do not? In spite of the latter governments often being in harsher climates and geographies than the former?

    That was just re-restating the original question.
  48. @Steve Sailer
    Jazz and Mexican food are different and superior to white stuff.

    Whereas Mexican music and black food ...

    Most everything Anglos know to be Mexican food is really Tex-Mex, or maybe SouthWest, or however you define it, it’s not really Mexican food. I’ve never been to China, but everyone who’s been there has told me the Chinese food here and there is much different.

    As far as music, both Jazz and Mexican music suck about equally. There are some notably outliers, but they both suck. Though I would take Mexican if given the choice.

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    There's a book called "Six Great Ideas", by Mortimer Adler, that you might find interesting. He talks about the difference between the realm of facts and the realm of opinion (or, in this case, matters of taste), stating that people shouldn't ever argue or attempt to prove superiority over the latter, because they are just that -- opinion. That's exactly what you've done when you state, as though fact, your opinions about jazz and Mexican music.
  49. @Colin Wright
    'Okay … but then why do some people always mount public service campaigns against littering (Swedes, Japanese, legacy Americans) and some people don’t (third world)?'

    Maybe because third world governments have more pressing concerns than mounting public service campaigns against littering?

    Let's face it; an anti-littering campaign would look pretty bizarre in El Salvador or Syria. 'Hey guys: don't just leave that mangled corpse in the road.'

    Okay, but then why is it that some governments have bigger problems than litter while others do not? In spite of the latter governments often being in harsher climates and geographies than the former?

    That was just re-restating the original question.

  50. @South Texas Guy
    Most everything Anglos know to be Mexican food is really Tex-Mex, or maybe SouthWest, or however you define it, it's not really Mexican food. I've never been to China, but everyone who's been there has told me the Chinese food here and there is much different.

    As far as music, both Jazz and Mexican music suck about equally. There are some notably outliers, but they both suck. Though I would take Mexican if given the choice.

    There’s a book called “Six Great Ideas”, by Mortimer Adler, that you might find interesting. He talks about the difference between the realm of facts and the realm of opinion (or, in this case, matters of taste), stating that people shouldn’t ever argue or attempt to prove superiority over the latter, because they are just that — opinion. That’s exactly what you’ve done when you state, as though fact, your opinions about jazz and Mexican music.

  51. @Chrisnonymous
    It isn't just Latinos. If you, as I did, take the slow train north from Mandalay to visit George Orwell's abode in northern Burma, you will be able to view a literal layer of discarded plastic on either side of the rail around stations. The reason? At each station, women come into the train and walk down the aisle selling food, which is served in plastic bags or styrofoam containers, which are subsequently thrown out the open windows on the ground on either side of the tracks.

    I understand most of the floating plastic in the Pacific Ocean is also from Asia.

    Do you think they act differently if they immigrate here?

    Shocking study reveals 90% of global plastic waste comes from just TEN rivers in Asia and Africa.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5910011/Plastic-bag-ban-criticised-90-cent-plastic-waste-comes-rivers-Asia-Africa.html

    2) A friend of mine in Ohio rented a house to a foreign born doctor. The mail box was at the start of the longish house driveway. One day a neighbor called to complain about the trash by the mail box. It seems the MD went through his mail at the mail box, and simply dropped anything he didn’t want on the ground.

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