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From Bloomberg:

Yes, Trump Is Making Xenophobia More Acceptable

A scientific experiment shows that the election liberated people to express feelings they’d otherwise keep to themselves.

By Cass R Sunstein

May 26, 2017, 6:00 AM PDT

In the U.S. and Europe, many people worry that if prominent politicians signal that they dislike and fear immigrants, foreigners and people of minority religions, they will unleash people’s basest impulses and fuel violence. In their view, social norms of civility, tolerance and respect are fragile. If national leaders such as President Donald Trump flout those norms, they might unravel.

The most careful work on this general subject comes from Duke University economist Timur Kuran, who has studied the topic of “preference falsification.” In Kuran’s view, there is a big difference between what people say they think and what they actually think. Sometimes for better or sometimes for worse, people’s statements and actions are inhibited by prevailing social norms. When norms start to disintegrate, we can see startlingly fast alterations in what people say and do.

Kuran’s leading example is the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe, which, he says, was long sustained by the widespread misconception that other people supported communism. Once prominent citizens started to announce, in public, that they abhorred communism, others felt freer to say that they abhorred it too, and regimes were bound to collapse.

Something must be done to prevent things like the collapse of Communism from ever happening again!

There is a strong taboo on anti-Semitism, which limits its public expression.

It’s hard to test these kinds of ideas rigorously, but in an ingenious new paper, a team of economists has done exactly that.

Leonardo Bursztyn of the University of Chicago, Georgy Egorov of Northwestern University and Stefano Fiorin of the University of California at Los Angeles designed an elaborate experiment to test whether Trump’s political success affects Americans’ willingness to support, in public, a xenophobic organization. …

All participants were then asked an assortment of questions, including whether they would authorize the researchers to donate $1 to The Federation for American Immigration Reform, accurately described as an anti-immigrant organization whose founder has written, “I’ve come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that.” If participants agreed to authorize the donation, they were told that they would be paid an additional $1. …

For those who were not informed about Trump’s expected victory in their state, giving to the anti-immigration group was a lot more attractive when anonymity was assured: 54 percent authorized the donation under cover of secrecy as opposed to 34 percent when the authorization might become public. But for those who were informed that Trump would win, anonymity didn’t matter at all. When so informed, about half the participants were willing to authorize the donation regardless of whether they received a promise of anonymity.

As an additional test, Bursztyn and his colleagues repeated their experiment in the same states during the first week after Trump’s election. They found that Trump’s victory also eliminated the effects of anonymity — again, about half the participants authorized the donation regardless of whether the authorization would be public.

The upshot is that if Trump had not come on the scene, a lot of Americans would refuse to authorize a donation to an anti-immigrant organization unless they were promised anonymity. But with Trump as president, people feel liberated. Anonymity no longer matters, apparently because Trump’s election weakened the social norm against supporting anti-immigrant groups. It’s now OK to be known to agree “that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that.”

… Sometimes people don’t say what they think, or do as they like, because of their beliefs about the beliefs of their fellow citizens. A nation’s leader can give strong signals about those beliefs — and so diminish the effects of social norms that constrain ugly impulses.

There’s no need for free speech. Just ask Cass Sunstein, he’ll inform you what is an ugly view and what is a beautiful one. For example, beautiful views include Cass’s idea that the government should hire agents provocateur to “cognitively infiltrate” online conspiracy theorist forums. And here’s another beautiful idea of Sunstein’s:

“Could Bowling Leagues and the PTA Breed Nazis?”

 
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  1. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but something about this study leads me to think it was a foregone conclusion in search of evidence. But, perhaps that is merely the scientific method: propose a hypothesis, then come up with an experiment to test it.

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Perfecto!

    • Replies: @snorlax

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.
     
    Named for the guy most famous for creating a mountain of human heads!
    , @Gman
    Yeah I agree

    I feel like this goofy experiment was tailor made to be cited in Vox.

    Also, I think the $1 amount is goofy. If someone is talking $1, I am not going to care - at least make it a Benjamin.
    , @Bill B.

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Perfecto!
     
    Actually Kuran is one of the world's leading experts on Islamic economics - and a very ballsy critic of it as well. Not many people would say what Kuran, a Turk, says here:

    https://www.ft.com/content/ee2a2b36-9de5-11e2-9ccc-00144feabdc0
    , @Rifleman

    A scientific experiment shows that the election liberated people to express feelings they’d otherwise keep to themselves.
     
    Cass R Sunstein's wife Samantha Power helped carry out a little scientific experiment in Libya.

    It was learned that many people felt liberated to express feelings they had otherwise kept to themselves.

    Namely - targeting and murdering US civilians and targeting and mass murdering black Africans allowed into the country under Qaddafi.

    The experiment confirmed the predictions of many, including Donald Trump!

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/106084327581949952?lang=en

    , @dr kill
    I wonder if Dr. Kuran was in the Group of 88?
    , @PiltdownMan
    Timur Kuran is not only one of the least stereotypically Turkish looking guys I've seen, he is also one of the youngest looking 63-year-old guys I've seen.
  2. I said a number of weeks ago here in a comment on this blog that I thought that this was and would probably be the most important effect of Trump’s election: the “come out of the closet” effect where people who were on the right side of the national question realized that they were not alone and in fact are probably an electoral majority, despite having been ignored or vilified by both the left and cuckservatism.

    Ironically, something similar has happened on the other side as well, the veneer of moderation behind which the open borders lobby used to hide, calling for “comprehensive reform” to “fix a broken immigration system,” has all but been abandoned. Now they maintain openly that the only acceptable choice is open borders, resistance to and nullification of federal law, and treatment of the exclusion of any person from the U.S. as equivalent to a crime against humanity.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    I agree with this study, Trump and Brexit seems to have liberated people, somewhat, from PC totalitarianism, even our political class.
  3. Cass Sunstein is a constitutional scholar – a constitutional scholar with the soul of a secret policeman.

    He is an expert on the Constitution in the same way that a butcher is an expert on cows.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Pericles
    Only the worst people seem to be constitutional scholars these days.
    , @Kylie
    So well said, Mr. Anon. Thanks.

    What is it about present-day Constitutional "scholars" that makes them so loathe the Constitution? Vile creatures who despise and would destroy what protects them, they obviously haven't considered who or what would protect them in its absence.

    Helpful hint: It won't be me or my weapons.
    , @Old fogey
    Do any "constitutional scholars" actually study the constitution? Do any respect Americans?
  4. One of the regular comments I get about my blog is “It is so nice to know that others out there think the same thing.” Our overlords have been very good at using mass media to atomize public opinion. Since everyone is afraid to talk, it’s really hard for people to know what others are thinking.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    “It is so nice to know that others out there think the same thing.”
     
    Yes, especially others who are intelligent, well-read, and probably pleasant company to have a couple of coffees or drinks with. It's a bit off-putting when one gets dumb comments on a doubleplus-nongoodthinker site. That's one of the big advantages of Steve's censoring.
  5. I attended the University of Chicago Law School in the 1980’s, when Sunstein was a professor there (i.e., before he moved to Harvard, married Samantha Power, etc.). Smart guy, and ambitious to boot, he nonetheless embodies the properly-held view of such people that “only intellectuals could possibly believe such stupid ideas.” Free speech for me, but not for thee, etc., etc.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Glenn Beck used to talk about Cass Sunstein a lot back when he had his show on CNN with his rotatable blackboard... you remember... back before he was insane.
  6. Steve,

    The vexing question is whether Sunstein or his equally egregious wife Samantha Power is more of a threat to civil discourse in this country?

    I’ll hold both of these low lives equally responsible!

    • Replies: @Abe
    Sunstein looks like a real schlub- a rolly-polly pear body in the same gelatinous mold as Francoise Hollande. I only mention this because I seriously doubt he has any real-world business leadership experience under his belt let alone, God forbid, military service, yet seems to feel himself perfectly qualified in offering sweeping dismissals of age old American civil traditions.

    His wife is even worse. Again, with no adult experience to speak of outside the college-government-think tank nexus, she somehow leveraged her tragedy tourist book on the Rwandan genocide into a top White House foreign policy role, eventually becoming Obama's UN ambassador. And this from a woman who would probably suffer a nervous breakdown if asked to manage a non-gifted 5th grade homeroom.

    One of the consensus "lessons" learned as a result of 9/11 (a false one, but definitely one of the less stupid ones) is that "failed states" like Afghanistan are a direct threat to American security. And yet what does she do but create a failed state every bit as bad as the one responsible for hatching 9/11, just this time on the door step of Europe? Libya is a black hole of chaos, suffering, and despair. And by black hole I mean it- the situation is so hideous that no information is getting out reach us until it's too late. The Manchester bomber received his training there, and I bet he is just the start of a long series of awful surprises heading our way thanks to Mrs. Sunstein's ham-handed "humanitarian" adventurism.
  7. Sometimes for better or sometimes for worse, people’s statements and actions are inhibited by prevailing social norms. When norms start to disintegrate, we can see startlingly fast alterations in what people say and do.

    Uh huh. Worms on the sidewalks cause rainstorms and runny noses cause influenza, too….

    What if people’s statements and actions reflect – indeed are – social norms? What if the behaviour and the norms are an identity, and one which can change over time, just as when people stopped keeping slaves it could then – and only then – be accurately said that slavery violated social norms? Is that just crazy European imperialist causal logic from which brilliant people of colour like Mr. Kuran have long since liberated themsleves?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Leftists and Democrats have been tearing down societal norms for 50 years--and now they're concerned? LOL.
  8. It’s now OK to be known to agree “that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that.”

    If only that were true…..

  9. free speech has nothing to do with this.

  10. The central lesson of my life, consistently taught to me by the Mainstream media themselves is this: The Government always lies to us. From the JFK assassination to the Vietnam War to weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the population of the US has been told just enough to reinforce that central truth.

    The Ruling Class already spends a lot of time and effort policing discourse; marginalizing, but not banning, forbidden lines of discussion. Of course, forbidden lines of discussion are allowed small scale on the Internet, but are completely off-limits to persons of authority within any large institution. Trump tests these limits in interesting ways-

    People now know this. They consistently tell pollsters that the don’t believe politicians; don’t believe US Government officials tell the truth; and don’t trust the Mainstream media.

    “Remember that the Chicago Police Force does not exist to create chaos. It exists to preserve chaos!” Just so-

    When this Soft Police State; this large-scale suppression of discussion no longer suffices, it will be a sign of serious social breakdown. This threat is always in the margins, from Equal Time Laws to Hate Speech Laws. But for now: Is this elaborate set of restrictions on speech not positively Victorian?
    a sign of major social breakdown.

    • Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Jim Given

    Your last comment about PC speech restrictions being Victorian is spot on. People love making fun of Victorian Era sexual repression (woman couldn't show their ankles, even table cloths had to be long enough that tables didn't show their legs, etc...) Fair enough.

    If you ask me though, people 100 years from now will look back on the current era's monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship as a lot more ridiculous.
    , @GSR
    just curious, what was the lie about the Vietnam War?
    , @John Gruskos
    The Victorians allowed great freedom of thought and speech regarding all important topics, including politics, religion, science, and history. On the other hand, they had the good sense to outlaw pornography.

    In other words, they were the exact opposite of the current elite.

    The reason is obvious. Unlike Cass Sunstein and those of his ilk, the Victorian elite cared about the well-being of the people entrusted to their care.
  11. Off-topic,

    Women in the infantry:

    Over the years, countless voices have warned that women could never handle the demands of the infantry, and would destroy its all-male esprit de corps. None of the recruits or drill sergeants interviewed at Fort Benning shared that fear. They all pointed to women like Private Padgett.

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters while on the team at East Carolina University, and showed up at basic training in better shape than many of the men. She is now on her way to Airborne School, and wants to eventually become a Ranger.

    “She’s a hoss,” her drill sergeant, Joseph Sapp, said as he watched her. After a tour in Iraq and four in Afghanistan, he has served with his share of soldiers. “Forget male-female; she’s one of the best in the company. She’s one you’re happy to have.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/for-army-infantrys-1st-women-heavy-packs-and-the-weight-of-history.html?_r=0

    Hammer thrower…..Steroids?

    • Replies: @Jason K.
    She is either on steroids or something is abnormal. There is one photo in the article where you can be sure who "she" is. In a Rolling Stone inversion: lady looks like a dude.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Are you kidding? Not off topic at all. Not at all!
    , @Dan Hayes
    Syonredux:

    File this under the rubric of the exception that proves the rule!
    , @fnn
    You don't need steroids to find outliers like this. Delve into the history of strength sports and you can find accounts (and photos) of strongwomen performing amazing exhibitions during the Victorian Era. I recall a photo of one such woman lifting her husband above her head with one hand and with apparent ease.

    Then there's the case of Violette Morris:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violette_Morris

    Morris was a gifted athlete, becoming the first French woman to excel at shot put and discus, and playing on two separate women's football teams. She played for Fémina Sports from 1917 until 1919, and for Olympique de Paris from 1920 to 1926. Both teams were based in Paris. She also played on the French women's national team.[2][3]

    In addition to her football career, she was an active participant in many other sports. She was selected for the French national water polo team even though there was no women's team at the time. She was an avid boxer, often fighting against, and defeating men.[4] She became French national champion in 1923. Among the other sports she participated in were road bicycle racing, motorcycle racing, car racing, airplane racing, horseback riding, tennis, archery, diving, swimming,[5] weightlifting, and Greco-Roman wrestling. Her most brilliant athletic years were considered to be from 1921 to 1924, when her slogan was "Ce qu'un homme fait, Violette peut le faire!" (English: Anything a man can do Violette can do!). She later won the 1927 Bol d'Or 24 Hours car race at the wheel of a B.N.C..[6]
     

    At the end of December 1935, Morris was recruited by the Sicherheitsdienst (Security Service), a wing of the infamous SS of Nazi Germany. She was invited, with honor, to attend the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin at the personal behest of Adolf Hitler. She gave Germany partial plans of the Maginot Line, detailed plans of strategic points within the city of Paris, and schematics of the French army's main tank, the Somua S35.[citation needed] Her plans were integral to the German invasion of Paris in 1940.[citation needed] She benefited from the German occupation, often colluding with the local mob. She lived through the German occupation in a houseboat on the River Seine.

    One of her main responsibilities during the war was to foil the operation of the Special Operations Executive, a British-run organisation that helped the resistance. For these activities, Morris was sentenced to death in absentia and was killed along a country road by members of a French resistance group on 26 April 1944, at the age of 51, while out driving with friends who were also collaborators. Two other passengers were little children. They too were killed. Her body, riddled with bullets, was never claimed, and was buried in a communal grave.[2]
     
    , @CK
    Men's hammer is 16#.
    Women's hammer is 8.82#.
    Men's record throw 86.7 meters set in 1986 ( 31 years ago ).
    Women's record throw 82.9 meters set in 2016 ( 1 year ago ).
    Women's hammer throw not recognized as a sport until 1994.
    So, probably not steroids for Padgett.
    Probably steroids for the men's world record.
    , @grapesoda

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters
     
    Wow, the people who write for the NY Times are really f***ing stupid. Of course, they could just be flat out evil, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and just say that they are really, really stupid.

    Padgett did indeed throw the hammer more than 60 meters

    http://www.all-athletics.com/node/94259

    But in NCAA women's competition, which is governed by the USATF, the hammer weighs only 4 kg, or about 8.8 pounds (as noted by commenter above).

    http://www.usatfmasters.org/ev_throws_specs.htm

    How the f*** does Dave Philipps even have a job, doing ANYTHING?

    If her accomplishment of throwing the hammer 60m is so great, why does the weight of the hammer have to be exaggerated by more than 200%? Shouldn't it be enough just to present it as is? Throwing a football 60 yards is possible only by elite quarterbacks, but SuperWoman here is apparently throwing a 20 pound f***ing hammer 60 meters. We're talking John Henry territory here. In the next article the hammer will have weighed 50 pounds, and she'll have thrown it 100 meters.

    You know what, I changed my mind. They're not that stupid. These people are just trash, who have no regard for truth, who lie about the smallest things out of habit, and have no qualification to have authority over anything.

    , @CK
    In the Scottish games, there is also a hammer throw. That hammer is either 16# or 22# for men
    and either 12# or 16# for women. Unlike the Track and Field hammer which is basically a heavy ball on the end of a 4' chain, the Scottish hammer is a large lump of metal on the end of a 4' rod and could theoretically be used to hammer things.
    If you ever have the chance to attend a Scottish games and the party afterwards you really should.
    http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/523/800/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_362460.jpg Scottish Hammer being thrown.
  12. What do economists say about this? Presumably the repression of preferences is an obstacle to efficiency in markets and in public policies.

  13. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Could Bowling Leagues and the PTA Breed Nazis?”, Cass R. Sunstein, Bloomberg, July 30, 2013:

    Intro:

    “In recent decades, many social scientists have drawn attention to the importance of “social capital.”… But what if social capital ends up contributing to the rise of extreme movements, including fascism? …

    …At the same time, social capital can have a dark side… A fascinating recent study called “Bowling for Fascism” goes much further: It shows that the rise of Nazism was greatly facilitated by unusually high levels of social capital in Weimar Germany…”

    First subsection–Hitler’s Rise:

    “…an important and novel perspective on Adolf Hitler’s ascension to power. And by identifying conditions that help to spread extremism, it also offers significant lessons for the present, including the risk of terrorism

    …The authors’ principal finding is that in cities with dense networks of clubs and associations, Germans were far more likely to join the Nazi Party…

    Nazism spread in part as a result of face-to-face interactions by people who were in frequent contact with one another…”

    Second subsection–Social Pressures :

    “…Like-minded people tend to go to extremes, in large part because they learn from each other

    …For the current period, there is a straightforward lesson… in some nations, dense social networks also increase people’s vulnerability to extremism…

    …No one should doubt that private associations are desirable and valuable, and that they can produce a dazzling range of social goods, including checks on the power of government. But Satyanath and his co-authors reveal another possibility: that such associations can facilitate the spread of extremism, ultimately laying the groundwork for serious challenges to democracy itself…

    …(Cass R. Sunstein, the Robert Walmsley University professor at Harvard Law School… He is the former administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs…)”

    All Hitler, all the time, it seems. Think of the horror of uncontrolled face-to-face interactions! Perhaps Jews suffer from a group form of PTSD. Perhaps they have gone to extremes.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Boy, you talk about acacemic blowhards dressing up in sanctimonious jargon the things any half-aware farmer or mechanic has known since he was a kid....

    All this prattle does is reiterate that persons who can and do communicate and establish trust are able to behave in solidarity to achieve shared goals, especially against common enemies or oppressors: examples include trade guilds; labor unions; neighbourhood watches; credit unions; farmers' cooperatives; modern democracy itself – as first with the British nobles with Magna Carta, New England's town meetings, then the revolutions of the U.S.A., France, and South America (under Bolívar et al.) united to tell dictatotial autocrats to stuff it; and, yes, even the PTA – groups of parents realising they could and would collectively demand responsiveness and a say in governmental schools affecting their children.

    What a maroon. His brilliant insight is that if people get together over coffee and discuss their situations amongst themselves it is easier for them to do something about it and harder for them to be pushed around. I had this stuff down by the time I was about eight, when we two youngest brothers realised that together we could defeat our eldest brother (too strong fir either of us alone, and who had until then bullied us each separately). When our mother discovered him (the eldest) crying for a change – from a walloping we had together given him in defense of ourselves – she laughed and told him she supposed he would't pick on either of us again. The only people this phenomenon bodes ill for are bullies.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Sunnstein's "deep" insight is that people who share common goals and work together can accomplish much but what they accomplish may not always be desirable when considered from the viewpoint of others. I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that he was perfectly describing the up-to-now, successful war on freedom and the White, Christian middle-class of this country which he and his elite, prog comrades have been conducting over the last half century or so.
    , @res
    In other news, power tools are dangerous. But also useful for good things.
  14. Shorter Sunstein: All this crimethink is getting out of control!

  15. The White Nationalist version of Timur Kuran is a guy named Adolf Bible.

    • LOL: Laugh Track
  16. @Laugh Track
    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about this study leads me to think it was a foregone conclusion in search of evidence. But, perhaps that is merely the scientific method: propose a hypothesis, then come up with an experiment to test it.

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Perfecto!

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Named for the guy most famous for creating a mountain of human heads!

  17. @Laugh Track
    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about this study leads me to think it was a foregone conclusion in search of evidence. But, perhaps that is merely the scientific method: propose a hypothesis, then come up with an experiment to test it.

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Perfecto!

    Yeah I agree

    I feel like this goofy experiment was tailor made to be cited in Vox.

    Also, I think the $1 amount is goofy. If someone is talking $1, I am not going to care – at least make it a Benjamin.

  18. What about another “scientific experiment” to try to find out why people with surnames ending in STEIN tend to be cultural agitators or just simple pains in the ass!

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Stein means stone.

    Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words written by (some) Steins (and other like-minded agitators) can rend asunder Western civilization.

    Stein's shtick is shtupping the goyim where the sun don't shine. (That being said, we goyim are pretty damn adept at shtupping ourselves. Goyim easily can be persuaded to slice our own wrists with Schicks.)
  19. Could Bowling Leagues and the PTA Breed Nazis?

    I think I remember that on an old WWII propaganda poster:

    When you bowl, you bowl with Hitler!

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    When you bowl, you bowl with Hitler!
     
    Catchy title: Bowling Alone for Columbine with Hitler
  20. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Women in the infantry:


    Over the years, countless voices have warned that women could never handle the demands of the infantry, and would destroy its all-male esprit de corps. None of the recruits or drill sergeants interviewed at Fort Benning shared that fear. They all pointed to women like Private Padgett.

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters while on the team at East Carolina University, and showed up at basic training in better shape than many of the men. She is now on her way to Airborne School, and wants to eventually become a Ranger.

    “She’s a hoss,” her drill sergeant, Joseph Sapp, said as he watched her. After a tour in Iraq and four in Afghanistan, he has served with his share of soldiers. “Forget male-female; she’s one of the best in the company. She’s one you’re happy to have.”
     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/for-army-infantrys-1st-women-heavy-packs-and-the-weight-of-history.html?_r=0

    Hammer thrower.....Steroids?

    She is either on steroids or something is abnormal. There is one photo in the article where you can be sure who “she” is. In a Rolling Stone inversion: lady looks like a dude.

  21. Lot says:

    ISIS: Criticism of Islam offends Allah and must be punished!

    Cass Sunstein: Criticism of Islam “flouts norms” and must be punished!

    fear immigrants, foreigners and people of minority religions

    How horrible it would be if Nell Jones, 14, felt fear of a certain “minority religion” as Salman Abedi shouted Allahu Akbar for the final time.

    View post on imgur.com

  22. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Women in the infantry:


    Over the years, countless voices have warned that women could never handle the demands of the infantry, and would destroy its all-male esprit de corps. None of the recruits or drill sergeants interviewed at Fort Benning shared that fear. They all pointed to women like Private Padgett.

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters while on the team at East Carolina University, and showed up at basic training in better shape than many of the men. She is now on her way to Airborne School, and wants to eventually become a Ranger.

    “She’s a hoss,” her drill sergeant, Joseph Sapp, said as he watched her. After a tour in Iraq and four in Afghanistan, he has served with his share of soldiers. “Forget male-female; she’s one of the best in the company. She’s one you’re happy to have.”
     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/for-army-infantrys-1st-women-heavy-packs-and-the-weight-of-history.html?_r=0

    Hammer thrower.....Steroids?

    Are you kidding? Not off topic at all. Not at all!

    • Agree: ben tillman
  23. @Mr. Anon

    Could Bowling Leagues and the PTA Breed Nazis?
     
    I think I remember that on an old WWII propaganda poster:

    When you bowl, you bowl with Hitler!

    When you bowl, you bowl with Hitler!

    Catchy title: Bowling Alone for Columbine with Hitler

  24. There’s no need for free speech. Just ask Cass Sunstein, he’ll inform you what is an ugly view and what is a beautiful one.

    And no one’s gettin’ fat ‘cept Papa Cass!

    (Apparently, “fat” meant “rich”, from performing at bar mitzvahs.)

  25. Here’s a video of Cass from 10 days ago. He appears to be a dishevelled, balding, hungover, effete, inarticulate, lefty Jewish communist with an effeminant lilt in his voice.

    Why, and by whom, would such a person be considered a public intellectual instead of, say, a grimy lowlife surviving on the street on seventh avenue

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Interesting aside he makes at one point: "And don't ask me how I know that."
  26. Steve,

    Ponder this and weep for our country’s jurisprudence: Studies in legal publications between 2009 and 2014 found Sunstein to be the most frequently cited American legal scholar by a wide (!) margin.

    Sunstein was followed in ranking by Erwin Cherinsky and Richard Epstein. Epstein is a libertarian and regularly appears on the John Bachelor radio program. I am not a lawyer but once one gets accustomed to Epstein’s fast-paced delivery it is obvious that his ideas are at complete loggerheads with Sunstein’s pervasive and overbearing statism. Hopefully at some future time Epstein or one of his disciples will take over first place (although that may be wishful thinking on my part).

  27. >>There is a strong taboo on anti-Semitism, which limits its public expression.

    It’s hard to test these kinds of ideas rigorously, but in an ingenious new paper, a team of economists has done exactly that.<<

    Then Susstein goes on for 6 paragraphs where the subject if anti-Semitism is not even broached. Susstein's little trick here is to imply that the preference to control and limit immigration is just another dog whistle for anti-Semitism.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
  28. utu says:

    THEY are several steps ahead of the PEOPLE. They have means of studying us and predicting out behavior and finding ways to control it and change it. This study that Cass Sunstein revealed in this article is probably just a tip of iceberg of what is really going on in various institutes and departments dealing with how to control the herd by means of social engineering and neuro-linguistic programming.

    They clearly are aware that the social norms are external and not 100% internalized by the herd and thus they fear the norms can be broken through like by people in communist regimes. The comparison to the situation under the communist regimes is very telling and might be a reason for hope.

    • Replies: @Abe

    THEY are several steps ahead of the PEOPLE. They have means of studying us and predicting out behavior and finding ways to control it and change it. This study that Cass Sunstein revealed
     
    You're telling me. Sunstein admits the "experiment" was REPEATED only a week after Trump was elected. So basically a "scientific" study engineered for the express purpose of slandering and delegitimizing Trump's (at the time generally assumed failed) candidacy in order to put a stake in the heart of any future nationalist revival, was desperately re-run and given even more emphasis now that the Nazi-in-Chief was coming to Washington.

    This reminds me of the gathering of academic historians who had one big circle jerk planned for their symposium on the Obama Presidency- basically a weekend of backslapping and sh!t-grinning as they praised each other's retrospectives on the supreme lasting historical importance of The One's Administration- until Trump's surprise win sent them scrambling to rewrite histories which had not gone through the actual formality of coming into existence.

    Next you'll be telling me the mantra about "fake news" costing Hillary the election, made in unison by the MSM immediately after the result came in and before any half-a$$ed study of voting attitudes could even POSSIBLY reach the conceptual stage, let alone be completed, is also questionable. Gosh, would hate to find out that now two-decade old expression of "Of course it's true. I read it on the Internet" could now take on a tone of bitterly caustic irony, instead of the one of utmost sincerity and earnestness we'v'e become so used to.
  29. @Jim Given
    The central lesson of my life, consistently taught to me by the Mainstream media themselves is this: The Government always lies to us. From the JFK assassination to the Vietnam War to weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the population of the US has been told just enough to reinforce that central truth.

    The Ruling Class already spends a lot of time and effort policing discourse; marginalizing, but not banning, forbidden lines of discussion. Of course, forbidden lines of discussion are allowed small scale on the Internet, but are completely off-limits to persons of authority within any large institution. Trump tests these limits in interesting ways-

    People now know this. They consistently tell pollsters that the don't believe politicians; don't believe US Government officials tell the truth; and don't trust the Mainstream media.

    "Remember that the Chicago Police Force does not exist to create chaos. It exists to preserve chaos!" Just so-

    When this Soft Police State; this large-scale suppression of discussion no longer suffices, it will be a sign of serious social breakdown. This threat is always in the margins, from Equal Time Laws to Hate Speech Laws. But for now: Is this elaborate set of restrictions on speech not positively Victorian?
    a sign of major social breakdown.

    Your last comment about PC speech restrictions being Victorian is spot on. People love making fun of Victorian Era sexual repression (woman couldn’t show their ankles, even table cloths had to be long enough that tables didn’t show their legs, etc…) Fair enough.

    If you ask me though, people 100 years from now will look back on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship as a lot more ridiculous.

    • Replies: @for-the-record

    If you ask me though, people 100 years from now will look back on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship as a lot more ridiculous.
     
    On what planet will these "people" live?

    The fundamental difference with Communist thought control was that once it ended you could go back to more or less were you were when you started. Poland is still Poland, Bulgaria is still Bulgaria. The US and Europe (at least Western Europe) will never be able to do this.

  30. 1984.

  31. Meanwhile, the new Black Swiss are doing just fine in their new country, doing what the New Black Swiss do, thank you very much:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=879_1496019325

  32. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Women in the infantry:


    Over the years, countless voices have warned that women could never handle the demands of the infantry, and would destroy its all-male esprit de corps. None of the recruits or drill sergeants interviewed at Fort Benning shared that fear. They all pointed to women like Private Padgett.

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters while on the team at East Carolina University, and showed up at basic training in better shape than many of the men. She is now on her way to Airborne School, and wants to eventually become a Ranger.

    “She’s a hoss,” her drill sergeant, Joseph Sapp, said as he watched her. After a tour in Iraq and four in Afghanistan, he has served with his share of soldiers. “Forget male-female; she’s one of the best in the company. She’s one you’re happy to have.”
     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/for-army-infantrys-1st-women-heavy-packs-and-the-weight-of-history.html?_r=0

    Hammer thrower.....Steroids?

    Syonredux:

    File this under the rubric of the exception that proves the rule!

  33. One (((person’s))) “xenophobia” is another’s rightful feeling of ownership and dominion.

    https://twitter.com/AlfredAlbion/status/762337647331274753

  34. Cass Sunstein is a prime example of why we need to cut all funding to universities. No one could have survived in the real world spewing such evil and doubetalk.

    Yes, yes, the funds are usually used as slush for CIA/FBI/etc. recruiting and agents and the like, but then we get this nonsense as well. Trump can kill two birds with one stone here: cut off the Deep State from their funds/recruits, and destroy government-supported leftist thinktanks.

    And, like with illegal immigration, Trump’s move would be universally popular.

  35. Once prominent citizens started to announce, in public, that they abhorred communism, others felt freer to say that they abhorred it too, and regimes were bound to collapse.

    Well at least Cass Sunstein is being honest about the issue at hand here, as our host deftly occamed.

    In their view, social norms of civility, tolerance and respect are fragile.

    And don’t the concert-goers of Bataclan and Manchester, white parents of daughters in Rotherham, gay discogoers of Orlando, and employees of Charlie Hebdo just know it!

    Anyhoo. This whole study was back-formed from the conclusion they intended to reach. That’s the whole point of advocacy/activist/propagandist research programs.

    It’s the corollary method to putting 600 variables in the SPSS cyclotron and smashing them together till you get a publishable particle.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    From the liberal POV, seemingly random terrorist attacks are acceptable losses rather the presumed tens of millions of deaths that would happen if anti-immigration (literally Hitler) policies were enacted.

    Islamists have never pulled off a WMD attack resulting in Somme level death tolls, there are no shortage of people that will not reconsider their views until a major Black Swan happens.
    , @Wilkey
    And don’t the concert-goers of Bataclan and Manchester, white parents of daughters in Rotherham, gay discogoers of Orlando, and employees of Charlie Hebdo just know it!

    Well yeah sure, but some crazy white Jill Stein/Bernie Sanders supporter stabbed two white guys in Oregon, so it's pretty much even.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    occamed
     
    I LOVE that as a verb!
  36. @anonymous
    "Could Bowling Leagues and the PTA Breed Nazis?", Cass R. Sunstein, Bloomberg, July 30, 2013:

    Intro:


    "In recent decades, many social scientists have drawn attention to the importance of “social capital.”... But what if social capital ends up contributing to the rise of extreme movements, including fascism? ...

    ...At the same time, social capital can have a dark side... A fascinating recent study called “Bowling for Fascism” goes much further: It shows that the rise of Nazism was greatly facilitated by unusually high levels of social capital in Weimar Germany..."

     

    First subsection--Hitler’s Rise:


    "...an important and novel perspective on Adolf Hitler’s ascension to power. And by identifying conditions that help to spread extremism, it also offers significant lessons for the present, including the risk of terrorism...

    ...The authors’ principal finding is that in cities with dense networks of clubs and associations, Germans were far more likely to join the Nazi Party...

    ...Nazism spread in part as a result of face-to-face interactions by people who were in frequent contact with one another..."

     

    Second subsection--Social Pressures :


    "...Like-minded people tend to go to extremes, in large part because they learn from each other...

    ...For the current period, there is a straightforward lesson... in some nations, dense social networks also increase people’s vulnerability to extremism...

    ...No one should doubt that private associations are desirable and valuable, and that they can produce a dazzling range of social goods, including checks on the power of government. But Satyanath and his co-authors reveal another possibility: that such associations can facilitate the spread of extremism, ultimately laying the groundwork for serious challenges to democracy itself...

    ...(Cass R. Sunstein, the Robert Walmsley University professor at Harvard Law School... He is the former administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs...)"

     

    All Hitler, all the time, it seems. Think of the horror of uncontrolled face-to-face interactions! Perhaps Jews suffer from a group form of PTSD. Perhaps they have gone to extremes.

    Boy, you talk about acacemic blowhards dressing up in sanctimonious jargon the things any half-aware farmer or mechanic has known since he was a kid….

    All this prattle does is reiterate that persons who can and do communicate and establish trust are able to behave in solidarity to achieve shared goals, especially against common enemies or oppressors: examples include trade guilds; labor unions; neighbourhood watches; credit unions; farmers’ cooperatives; modern democracy itself – as first with the British nobles with Magna Carta, New England’s town meetings, then the revolutions of the U.S.A., France, and South America (under Bolívar et al.) united to tell dictatotial autocrats to stuff it; and, yes, even the PTA – groups of parents realising they could and would collectively demand responsiveness and a say in governmental schools affecting their children.

    What a maroon. His brilliant insight is that if people get together over coffee and discuss their situations amongst themselves it is easier for them to do something about it and harder for them to be pushed around. I had this stuff down by the time I was about eight, when we two youngest brothers realised that together we could defeat our eldest brother (too strong fir either of us alone, and who had until then bullied us each separately). When our mother discovered him (the eldest) crying for a change – from a walloping we had together given him in defense of ourselves – she laughed and told him she supposed he would’t pick on either of us again. The only people this phenomenon bodes ill for are bullies.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Is it possible that Western nations and the Muslim nation have a common enemy or oppressor?

    Is an opportunity being missed for solidarity against globalism? Should we not be able to reach a shared understanding that both of our respective cultures are under attack?

  37. @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Jim Given

    Your last comment about PC speech restrictions being Victorian is spot on. People love making fun of Victorian Era sexual repression (woman couldn't show their ankles, even table cloths had to be long enough that tables didn't show their legs, etc...) Fair enough.

    If you ask me though, people 100 years from now will look back on the current era's monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship as a lot more ridiculous.

    If you ask me though, people 100 years from now will look back on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship as a lot more ridiculous.

    On what planet will these “people” live?

    The fundamental difference with Communist thought control was that once it ended you could go back to more or less were you were when you started. Poland is still Poland, Bulgaria is still Bulgaria. The US and Europe (at least Western Europe) will never be able to do this.

    • Agree: Kevin C.
    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Poland is still Poland, Bulgaria is still Bulgaria.
     
    Hungary is still Hungary, but we've become a lower trust and more corrupt society under communism. Communism basically thrived on burning public trust. Stalin executed his court statisticians when they showed that at least 8 million people were missing (mostly the people killed in the famines and the children never born during the famine either to these people or to survivors who put off childbearing for several years, thus lowering their final fertility numbers). Then the new set of statisticians did the same counting, and (knowing well the fate of their predecessors) came up with exactly the same numbers. (Stalin had the good sense not to execute the second set of statisticians.) You cannot continue this indefinitely without destroying social capital and trust. And without those, the system wouldn't have been able to achieve what it did - for example in China, where public trust and social capital was already lower after a century of civil wars, and where there was no or very little tradition of impartial scholarship and empiricism, the statisticians basically just told Chairman Mao the lies he wanted to hear. That resulted in the catastrophe of the Great Leap Forward, and that's why unlike the USSR, China never managed to fully industrialize under communism. They simply didn't have enough social capital and public trust to burn through.

    Also, a lot of the elites just left, or were killed. So communism was horrible, and it had some lasting effects, even some biological effects.

    But yes, the current PC madness is way way worse. There will be no "us" (or, what will be, will be an ever decreasing oppressed minority) by the end of the century.
    , @Romanian
    I second what reiner Tor said. Romania is still Romania, but, in many ways, it is a shadow of its former self at a social level. Forced migration and urbanization under Communism diminished the family and village networks. Collectivization removed ownership, investment and responsibility. Material hardship created an every man for himself mentality. We revived all of the pre-Communist parties, but none of them function as they used to. We used to have powerful peasant politics, based on what Anglo-Saxons would call yeomen. But their morals have been destroyed by collectivization, as have the morals of every class, especially the government workers.

    And, even though people say that the Easterners remained socially conservative because of Communism shielding them from the Western deluge, the fact is that Communism weakened their immune system for other forms of degradation to seep in. It affected national pride, to the point where the main argument X or Y is that the West is doing it and we are primitives for not copying them. It made us mercenary and, to a certain extent, amoral familists in outlook. But there are signs of change. There is currently a very vocal push for gay marriage, opposed by the Coalition for the Family. The latter are a bit boorish and unprofessional, and some of their proposals are so outright unrealistic that they have become fodder for ridicule, but I thought it was amazing for the level of Romanian civil society how they managed to organize across class lines and in the face of goodthinker opposition to get 3 million signatures (out of 19 million residents) calling for a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. Having seen what the US is undergoing because of its attempts to legislate political preferences constitutionally, I think it is a bad idea to use the Constitution as a wish list for society and we should resign ourselves to opposing the gay marriage lobby permanently, until their foreign supporters like Soros and the Department of State fold.

    While the opposition dominates the public facebook (by numbers of social media savvy youngsters, not because they get opposing content banned), the Coalition for the Family guys have private facebook groups of tens of thousands, organized for basically family stuff and charity, with a bit of religion thrown in. Badthinkers respond on comment boards for articles, but the vocal elites (actors, media, entertainment personalities) are very much in favor of gay marriage. In a bit which I think was inspired by the Bill Nye video, they are making a mock counter-opposition called the Coalition for Vanilla, claiming to protect the ancestral icecream flavor of Romanians from the assault of the new flavors, even though we have no expression of blandness based on vanilla, that being a Western concept.

    , @Cagey Beast
    Yes, if the current policies continue, there will be no one left in to look back in wonder "on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship". The only ones around will be the Vibrants and they'll just laugh every once in a while about the people who sold their land for some glass beads or a bowl of porridge or something.

    " 'How maddening', says God, 'it will be when there are no longer any Frenchmen. There will be things that I do that no one will be left to understand' ". (Le Mystère des saints Innocents)
    [...]
    "It will never be known what acts of cowardice have been committed for fear of not looking sufficiently progressive." (Notre Patrie, 1905)
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P%C3%A9guy#Famous_quotations
    , @neon2
    Oh, I don't know.
    It just won't be very pretty.
  38. Interesting that Professor Qur’an looks as white as most readers of this blog

    I’ve nothing really to add to the topic at hand. Clever minds are able to twist language to justify anything they think of.

    In this case Sunstein and Tamerlane are taking their belief that anyone who disagrees with them is stupid and evil – practically Hitler -and sugarcoating it with high falutin rhetoric.

  39. “There is a strong taboo on anti-Semitism, which limits its public expression.”

    This idea seemed to have no connection to the next seven paragraphs. What can that mean?

  40. @The Z Blog
    One of the regular comments I get about my blog is "It is so nice to know that others out there think the same thing." Our overlords have been very good at using mass media to atomize public opinion. Since everyone is afraid to talk, it's really hard for people to know what others are thinking.

    “It is so nice to know that others out there think the same thing.”

    Yes, especially others who are intelligent, well-read, and probably pleasant company to have a couple of coffees or drinks with. It’s a bit off-putting when one gets dumb comments on a doubleplus-nongoodthinker site. That’s one of the big advantages of Steve’s censoring.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    I've been hands off on censoring comments and so far, so good. I get some pissing matches on occasion, but it is rare. It's always when I touch on libertarian issues. Libertarians are humorless. Otherwise, my regulars are mostly academics so it is pretty civil.

    But, I'm not Sailer. I get ~100 comments per post and probably a tenth of the readers. My guess is comment policy does not scale.
  41. @for-the-record

    If you ask me though, people 100 years from now will look back on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship as a lot more ridiculous.
     
    On what planet will these "people" live?

    The fundamental difference with Communist thought control was that once it ended you could go back to more or less were you were when you started. Poland is still Poland, Bulgaria is still Bulgaria. The US and Europe (at least Western Europe) will never be able to do this.

    Poland is still Poland, Bulgaria is still Bulgaria.

    Hungary is still Hungary, but we’ve become a lower trust and more corrupt society under communism. Communism basically thrived on burning public trust. Stalin executed his court statisticians when they showed that at least 8 million people were missing (mostly the people killed in the famines and the children never born during the famine either to these people or to survivors who put off childbearing for several years, thus lowering their final fertility numbers). Then the new set of statisticians did the same counting, and (knowing well the fate of their predecessors) came up with exactly the same numbers. (Stalin had the good sense not to execute the second set of statisticians.) You cannot continue this indefinitely without destroying social capital and trust. And without those, the system wouldn’t have been able to achieve what it did – for example in China, where public trust and social capital was already lower after a century of civil wars, and where there was no or very little tradition of impartial scholarship and empiricism, the statisticians basically just told Chairman Mao the lies he wanted to hear. That resulted in the catastrophe of the Great Leap Forward, and that’s why unlike the USSR, China never managed to fully industrialize under communism. They simply didn’t have enough social capital and public trust to burn through.

    Also, a lot of the elites just left, or were killed. So communism was horrible, and it had some lasting effects, even some biological effects.

    But yes, the current PC madness is way way worse. There will be no “us” (or, what will be, will be an ever decreasing oppressed minority) by the end of the century.

    • Agree: Romanian
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    To what extent is social trust propensity genetically determined, versus environmental.
  42. Abe says: • Website
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    The vexing question is whether Sunstein or his equally egregious wife Samantha Power is more of a threat to civil discourse in this country?

    I'll hold both of these low lives equally responsible!

    Sunstein looks like a real schlub- a rolly-polly pear body in the same gelatinous mold as Francoise Hollande. I only mention this because I seriously doubt he has any real-world business leadership experience under his belt let alone, God forbid, military service, yet seems to feel himself perfectly qualified in offering sweeping dismissals of age old American civil traditions.

    His wife is even worse. Again, with no adult experience to speak of outside the college-government-think tank nexus, she somehow leveraged her tragedy tourist book on the Rwandan genocide into a top White House foreign policy role, eventually becoming Obama’s UN ambassador. And this from a woman who would probably suffer a nervous breakdown if asked to manage a non-gifted 5th grade homeroom.

    One of the consensus “lessons” learned as a result of 9/11 (a false one, but definitely one of the less stupid ones) is that “failed states” like Afghanistan are a direct threat to American security. And yet what does she do but create a failed state every bit as bad as the one responsible for hatching 9/11, just this time on the door step of Europe? Libya is a black hole of chaos, suffering, and despair. And by black hole I mean it- the situation is so hideous that no information is getting out reach us until it’s too late. The Manchester bomber received his training there, and I bet he is just the start of a long series of awful surprises heading our way thanks to Mrs. Sunstein’s ham-handed “humanitarian” adventurism.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    "non-gifted"?
    The gifted ten year olds woud have even more success toying with her.
  43. @Olorin

    Once prominent citizens started to announce, in public, that they abhorred communism, others felt freer to say that they abhorred it too, and regimes were bound to collapse.
     
    Well at least Cass Sunstein is being honest about the issue at hand here, as our host deftly occamed.

    In their view, social norms of civility, tolerance and respect are fragile.
     
    And don't the concert-goers of Bataclan and Manchester, white parents of daughters in Rotherham, gay discogoers of Orlando, and employees of Charlie Hebdo just know it!

    Anyhoo. This whole study was back-formed from the conclusion they intended to reach. That's the whole point of advocacy/activist/propagandist research programs.

    It's the corollary method to putting 600 variables in the SPSS cyclotron and smashing them together till you get a publishable particle.

    From the liberal POV, seemingly random terrorist attacks are acceptable losses rather the presumed tens of millions of deaths that would happen if anti-immigration (literally Hitler) policies were enacted.

    Islamists have never pulled off a WMD attack resulting in Somme level death tolls, there are no shortage of people that will not reconsider their views until a major Black Swan happens.

    • Replies: @Olorin

    Islamists have never pulled off a WMD attack resulting in Somme level death tolls,
     
    You are spot-on here, based on experience from my (fortunately these days more limited) discussions with the Deacons of Diversitopia.

    I'd like to see "our side" develop a Hemoclysm Unit to push for quantification of such things.

    How many Bataclans equal one Orlando?

    How many 9/11s equal one 7/7?

    What fraction of a Hiroshima is one Rotherham?

    We already know that Dresden and Hamburg = 0...but why? (Don't answer--I already know.)

    How is the left's/Islamists'/globalists' Collateral Damage different from what the left protested and the globalists pushed in the '90s?

    http://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

    Sober moi has used this line of discussion at dinner parties after everyone else is buzzed...but it generally leads to them pulling out the PC ICBM/MOAB as soon as their little minds reach an uncomfortable juncture.

    Which is why HITLER HITLER has to be protected at all costs. It's the bunker to which they can retreat when the discussion calls for harder thinking.

  44. I am guessing that Cass defines “extremism” as thoughts and actions that don’t align with Cass’s Weltanschauung. How open-minded and tolerant of him. Who are today’s Nazis again, Cass?

  45. Abe says: • Website
    @utu
    THEY are several steps ahead of the PEOPLE. They have means of studying us and predicting out behavior and finding ways to control it and change it. This study that Cass Sunstein revealed in this article is probably just a tip of iceberg of what is really going on in various institutes and departments dealing with how to control the herd by means of social engineering and neuro-linguistic programming.

    They clearly are aware that the social norms are external and not 100% internalized by the herd and thus they fear the norms can be broken through like by people in communist regimes. The comparison to the situation under the communist regimes is very telling and might be a reason for hope.

    THEY are several steps ahead of the PEOPLE. They have means of studying us and predicting out behavior and finding ways to control it and change it. This study that Cass Sunstein revealed

    You’re telling me. Sunstein admits the “experiment” was REPEATED only a week after Trump was elected. So basically a “scientific” study engineered for the express purpose of slandering and delegitimizing Trump’s (at the time generally assumed failed) candidacy in order to put a stake in the heart of any future nationalist revival, was desperately re-run and given even more emphasis now that the Nazi-in-Chief was coming to Washington.

    This reminds me of the gathering of academic historians who had one big circle jerk planned for their symposium on the Obama Presidency- basically a weekend of backslapping and sh!t-grinning as they praised each other’s retrospectives on the supreme lasting historical importance of The One’s Administration- until Trump’s surprise win sent them scrambling to rewrite histories which had not gone through the actual formality of coming into existence.

    Next you’ll be telling me the mantra about “fake news” costing Hillary the election, made in unison by the MSM immediately after the result came in and before any half-a$$ed study of voting attitudes could even POSSIBLY reach the conceptual stage, let alone be completed, is also questionable. Gosh, would hate to find out that now two-decade old expression of “Of course it’s true. I read it on the Internet” could now take on a tone of bitterly caustic irony, instead of the one of utmost sincerity and earnestness we’v’e become so used to.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    You’re telling me. Sunstein admits the “experiment” was REPEATED only a week after Trump was elected. So basically a “scientific” study engineered for the express purpose of slandering and delegitimizing Trump’s (at the time generally assumed failed) candidacy in order to put a stake in the heart of any future nationalist revival, was desperately re-run and given even more emphasis now that the Nazi-in-Chief was coming to Washington.

    That may have been the intention, but I wouldn't be surprised, if this study were widely known, the result would be different than intended -- ironically, for the reasons exposed by the study.

    People realizing that they are being oppressed by a wall of silence may not feel warmly toward that wall once it is exposed. The sort of people who take away from this study that the silencing effect of social norms is a good thing are not the majority.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Cass Sunstein was responsible for convincing the Obama White House to set up a behavioral science "nudging" capability in the government.

    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/15/executive-order-using-behavioral-science-insights-better-serve-american

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/09/16/obama-nudge-government/#17b5ccbb2c99

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_and_Behavioral_Sciences_Team

  46. @Thomas
    I said a number of weeks ago here in a comment on this blog that I thought that this was and would probably be the most important effect of Trump's election: the "come out of the closet" effect where people who were on the right side of the national question realized that they were not alone and in fact are probably an electoral majority, despite having been ignored or vilified by both the left and cuckservatism.

    Ironically, something similar has happened on the other side as well, the veneer of moderation behind which the open borders lobby used to hide, calling for "comprehensive reform" to "fix a broken immigration system," has all but been abandoned. Now they maintain openly that the only acceptable choice is open borders, resistance to and nullification of federal law, and treatment of the exclusion of any person from the U.S. as equivalent to a crime against humanity.

    I agree with this study, Trump and Brexit seems to have liberated people, somewhat, from PC totalitarianism, even our political class.

  47. @Mr. Anon
    Cass Sunstein is a constitutional scholar - a constitutional scholar with the soul of a secret policeman.

    He is an expert on the Constitution in the same way that a butcher is an expert on cows.

    Only the worst people seem to be constitutional scholars these days.

    • Replies: @Dr. X

    Only the worst people seem to be constitutional scholars these days.
     
    The Constitution was not written for "constitutional scholars." It was written for average people. As Justice Scalia wrote in District of Columbia v. Heller,

    "In interpreting this text, we are guided by the principle that “[t]he Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning.” United States v. Sprague, 282 U. S. 716, 731 (1931).

    "Constitutional scholars" like (((Sunstein, Kagan, Breyer, Ginsberg, and Tribe))) are mere sophists perverting the simple, parsimonious and obvious meaning of the Constitution in order to bamboozle the American public out of its rights and advance their own subversive agenda.

  48. Sometimes a nudge is enough, sometimes you need to body check.

  49. @Abe

    THEY are several steps ahead of the PEOPLE. They have means of studying us and predicting out behavior and finding ways to control it and change it. This study that Cass Sunstein revealed
     
    You're telling me. Sunstein admits the "experiment" was REPEATED only a week after Trump was elected. So basically a "scientific" study engineered for the express purpose of slandering and delegitimizing Trump's (at the time generally assumed failed) candidacy in order to put a stake in the heart of any future nationalist revival, was desperately re-run and given even more emphasis now that the Nazi-in-Chief was coming to Washington.

    This reminds me of the gathering of academic historians who had one big circle jerk planned for their symposium on the Obama Presidency- basically a weekend of backslapping and sh!t-grinning as they praised each other's retrospectives on the supreme lasting historical importance of The One's Administration- until Trump's surprise win sent them scrambling to rewrite histories which had not gone through the actual formality of coming into existence.

    Next you'll be telling me the mantra about "fake news" costing Hillary the election, made in unison by the MSM immediately after the result came in and before any half-a$$ed study of voting attitudes could even POSSIBLY reach the conceptual stage, let alone be completed, is also questionable. Gosh, would hate to find out that now two-decade old expression of "Of course it's true. I read it on the Internet" could now take on a tone of bitterly caustic irony, instead of the one of utmost sincerity and earnestness we'v'e become so used to.

    You’re telling me. Sunstein admits the “experiment” was REPEATED only a week after Trump was elected. So basically a “scientific” study engineered for the express purpose of slandering and delegitimizing Trump’s (at the time generally assumed failed) candidacy in order to put a stake in the heart of any future nationalist revival, was desperately re-run and given even more emphasis now that the Nazi-in-Chief was coming to Washington.

    That may have been the intention, but I wouldn’t be surprised, if this study were widely known, the result would be different than intended — ironically, for the reasons exposed by the study.

    People realizing that they are being oppressed by a wall of silence may not feel warmly toward that wall once it is exposed. The sort of people who take away from this study that the silencing effect of social norms is a good thing are not the majority.

  50. @for-the-record

    If you ask me though, people 100 years from now will look back on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship as a lot more ridiculous.
     
    On what planet will these "people" live?

    The fundamental difference with Communist thought control was that once it ended you could go back to more or less were you were when you started. Poland is still Poland, Bulgaria is still Bulgaria. The US and Europe (at least Western Europe) will never be able to do this.

    I second what reiner Tor said. Romania is still Romania, but, in many ways, it is a shadow of its former self at a social level. Forced migration and urbanization under Communism diminished the family and village networks. Collectivization removed ownership, investment and responsibility. Material hardship created an every man for himself mentality. We revived all of the pre-Communist parties, but none of them function as they used to. We used to have powerful peasant politics, based on what Anglo-Saxons would call yeomen. But their morals have been destroyed by collectivization, as have the morals of every class, especially the government workers.

    And, even though people say that the Easterners remained socially conservative because of Communism shielding them from the Western deluge, the fact is that Communism weakened their immune system for other forms of degradation to seep in. It affected national pride, to the point where the main argument X or Y is that the West is doing it and we are primitives for not copying them. It made us mercenary and, to a certain extent, amoral familists in outlook. But there are signs of change. There is currently a very vocal push for gay marriage, opposed by the Coalition for the Family. The latter are a bit boorish and unprofessional, and some of their proposals are so outright unrealistic that they have become fodder for ridicule, but I thought it was amazing for the level of Romanian civil society how they managed to organize across class lines and in the face of goodthinker opposition to get 3 million signatures (out of 19 million residents) calling for a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. Having seen what the US is undergoing because of its attempts to legislate political preferences constitutionally, I think it is a bad idea to use the Constitution as a wish list for society and we should resign ourselves to opposing the gay marriage lobby permanently, until their foreign supporters like Soros and the Department of State fold.

    While the opposition dominates the public facebook (by numbers of social media savvy youngsters, not because they get opposing content banned), the Coalition for the Family guys have private facebook groups of tens of thousands, organized for basically family stuff and charity, with a bit of religion thrown in. Badthinkers respond on comment boards for articles, but the vocal elites (actors, media, entertainment personalities) are very much in favor of gay marriage. In a bit which I think was inspired by the Bill Nye video, they are making a mock counter-opposition called the Coalition for Vanilla, claiming to protect the ancestral icecream flavor of Romanians from the assault of the new flavors, even though we have no expression of blandness based on vanilla, that being a Western concept.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    Sorry, I wasn't meaning to imply that countries like Romania (and Hungary) were not adversely affected by what they went through. What I should have said is "Poland is still populated by Poles" (and Romanians by Romanians, etc.), which is at least something. Hopefully the ex-Communist countries can hold on to this, and eventually undo the damage that was done. And looking at what they have survived in the past, this doesn't seem impossible. What does seem impossible is that England at the end of the 21st century will still be "English".
    , @Lurker

    even though we have no expression of blandness based on vanilla, that being a Western concept.
     
    Vanilla flavour isn't bland but vanilla ice cream is white - hence the cultural assault.
    , @Opinionator
    But their morals have been destroyed by collectivization, as have the morals of every class, especially the government workers.

    Could you explain the mechanism by which morals were destroyed?
  51. @Abe

    THEY are several steps ahead of the PEOPLE. They have means of studying us and predicting out behavior and finding ways to control it and change it. This study that Cass Sunstein revealed
     
    You're telling me. Sunstein admits the "experiment" was REPEATED only a week after Trump was elected. So basically a "scientific" study engineered for the express purpose of slandering and delegitimizing Trump's (at the time generally assumed failed) candidacy in order to put a stake in the heart of any future nationalist revival, was desperately re-run and given even more emphasis now that the Nazi-in-Chief was coming to Washington.

    This reminds me of the gathering of academic historians who had one big circle jerk planned for their symposium on the Obama Presidency- basically a weekend of backslapping and sh!t-grinning as they praised each other's retrospectives on the supreme lasting historical importance of The One's Administration- until Trump's surprise win sent them scrambling to rewrite histories which had not gone through the actual formality of coming into existence.

    Next you'll be telling me the mantra about "fake news" costing Hillary the election, made in unison by the MSM immediately after the result came in and before any half-a$$ed study of voting attitudes could even POSSIBLY reach the conceptual stage, let alone be completed, is also questionable. Gosh, would hate to find out that now two-decade old expression of "Of course it's true. I read it on the Internet" could now take on a tone of bitterly caustic irony, instead of the one of utmost sincerity and earnestness we'v'e become so used to.
    • Replies: @res
    Nudging sounds like a good idea. At least it would be if they stuck to things obviously intended to benefit the people, like sensible defaults for 401k allocations. Instead (wouldn't want to hurt the margins of the FIRE industries) we get nudges as propaganda.
  52. It’s hard to test these kinds of ideas rigorously, but in an ingenious new paper, a team of economists has done exactly that.

    Perhaps Mr. Sunstein meant to write ingenuous. Although disingenuous is the more fitting adjective.

    [Subjects were asked if they would donate $1 to] The Federation for American Immigration Reform, accurately described as an anti-immigrant organization whose founder has written, “I’ve come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that.”

    Fun Fact — According to my go-to source, it was Steve’s favorite Michigan opthalmologist, John Tanton, who wrote that! In 1993. To Garrett Hardin, the scientist who wrote “The Tragedy of the Commons.”

    If professors Sunstein, Kuran, Bursztyn, Egorov, or Fiorin had wanted their subjects to know what motivates FAIR’s donors, they could have referred to the easily-located webpage entitled About FAIR. It begins,

    FAIR is a non-profit, non-partisan organization of concerned individuals who believe that our immigration laws must be reformed to better serve the needs of current and future generations.

    With a support base that includes nearly 50 private foundations and over 1.3 million diverse members and supporters, FAIR is free of party loyalties and special interest connections.

    For more than 35 years, FAIR has been leading the call for immigration reform by offering and advocating solutions that help reduce the harmful impact of uncontrolled immigration on national security, jobs, education, health care, and our environment.

    Our Mission

    In all that we do, our goal is to educate and increase public awareness of immigration issues, present solutions, hold our leaders accountable for answers, and ensure the public’s voice is heard.

    FAIR seeks to reduce overall immigration to a level that is more manageable and which more closely reflects past policy. Reducing legal immigration from well over one million presently, to 300,000 a year over a sustained period will allow America to more sensibly manage its growth, address its environmental needs, and maintain a high quality of life.

    To make that happen, we work for policies that put the interests of American citizens ahead of big business and special interests demands.

    So Trump’s upset has enabled Americans to articulate this view. And smelling-salts sales have skyrocketed in college towns throughout the land.

    At least something good has come from The Flight 93 Election.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    On reflection, the paper Sunstein discusses doesn't seem to be honest. But thanks to paywalling (the abstract is here), it's hard to partition fault between Sunstein and its authors.

    Bursztyn, Egorov, and Fiorin (BEF) write, "In the main experiment, we identify the causal effect of Donald Trump's rise in political popularity on individuals' willingness to publicly express xenophobic views. Participants in the experiment are offered a bonus reward if they authorize researchers to make a donation to an anti-immigration organization on their behalf."

    BEF chose FAIR to represent xenophobic views. Sunstein characterizes FAIR by a 24-year-old quote.* How did BEF describe the organization? FAIR's actual, current "About" statement (excerpted above) must sit comfortably within the Overton Window. As experienced by most of the survey's target audience, Red State people-on-the-street. We can stipulate that it's horrifyingly un-woke from the perspective of Sunstein, Bursztyn (U. Chicago), Egorov (Northwestern) and Fiorin (UCLA). That's not quite the same thing.

    Xenophobic. You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Which of BEF's 458 flyover-country subjects had prior, accurate knowledge of FAIR? How did their responses contaminate BEF's findings?

    - - - - -
    * Just wondering: can I get my research published at NBER, if it calls the ACLU a Communist front and labels Planned Parenthood as a eugenics advocacy group?
  53. @Romanian
    I second what reiner Tor said. Romania is still Romania, but, in many ways, it is a shadow of its former self at a social level. Forced migration and urbanization under Communism diminished the family and village networks. Collectivization removed ownership, investment and responsibility. Material hardship created an every man for himself mentality. We revived all of the pre-Communist parties, but none of them function as they used to. We used to have powerful peasant politics, based on what Anglo-Saxons would call yeomen. But their morals have been destroyed by collectivization, as have the morals of every class, especially the government workers.

    And, even though people say that the Easterners remained socially conservative because of Communism shielding them from the Western deluge, the fact is that Communism weakened their immune system for other forms of degradation to seep in. It affected national pride, to the point where the main argument X or Y is that the West is doing it and we are primitives for not copying them. It made us mercenary and, to a certain extent, amoral familists in outlook. But there are signs of change. There is currently a very vocal push for gay marriage, opposed by the Coalition for the Family. The latter are a bit boorish and unprofessional, and some of their proposals are so outright unrealistic that they have become fodder for ridicule, but I thought it was amazing for the level of Romanian civil society how they managed to organize across class lines and in the face of goodthinker opposition to get 3 million signatures (out of 19 million residents) calling for a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. Having seen what the US is undergoing because of its attempts to legislate political preferences constitutionally, I think it is a bad idea to use the Constitution as a wish list for society and we should resign ourselves to opposing the gay marriage lobby permanently, until their foreign supporters like Soros and the Department of State fold.

    While the opposition dominates the public facebook (by numbers of social media savvy youngsters, not because they get opposing content banned), the Coalition for the Family guys have private facebook groups of tens of thousands, organized for basically family stuff and charity, with a bit of religion thrown in. Badthinkers respond on comment boards for articles, but the vocal elites (actors, media, entertainment personalities) are very much in favor of gay marriage. In a bit which I think was inspired by the Bill Nye video, they are making a mock counter-opposition called the Coalition for Vanilla, claiming to protect the ancestral icecream flavor of Romanians from the assault of the new flavors, even though we have no expression of blandness based on vanilla, that being a Western concept.

    Sorry, I wasn’t meaning to imply that countries like Romania (and Hungary) were not adversely affected by what they went through. What I should have said is “Poland is still populated by Poles” (and Romanians by Romanians, etc.), which is at least something. Hopefully the ex-Communist countries can hold on to this, and eventually undo the damage that was done. And looking at what they have survived in the past, this doesn’t seem impossible. What does seem impossible is that England at the end of the 21st century will still be “English”.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    As things are currently going, whatever Englishness, Frenchness or Germanness exists in 100 years will depend on Islamic rulings. It will be the learned imams who decide whether a European tradition is haram or not. It won't be a bunch of exotic holy men ruling over 80% ethnic English either; it will be beige Brits in robes ruling over other beige Brits. European girls will be quite a catch too, so they'll go back to their new husbands' homelands and sort of fade into the crowd. Europe and North America will swap people with that wide swath of humanity that runs from Morocco to Bangladesh. It's gonna be amazing!
  54. @Pericles
    Only the worst people seem to be constitutional scholars these days.

    Only the worst people seem to be constitutional scholars these days.

    The Constitution was not written for “constitutional scholars.” It was written for average people. As Justice Scalia wrote in District of Columbia v. Heller,

    “In interpreting this text, we are guided by the principle that “[t]he Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning.” United States v. Sprague, 282 U. S. 716, 731 (1931).

    “Constitutional scholars” like (((Sunstein, Kagan, Breyer, Ginsberg, and Tribe))) are mere sophists perverting the simple, parsimonious and obvious meaning of the Constitution in order to bamboozle the American public out of its rights and advance their own subversive agenda.

  55. @anonymous
    "Could Bowling Leagues and the PTA Breed Nazis?", Cass R. Sunstein, Bloomberg, July 30, 2013:

    Intro:


    "In recent decades, many social scientists have drawn attention to the importance of “social capital.”... But what if social capital ends up contributing to the rise of extreme movements, including fascism? ...

    ...At the same time, social capital can have a dark side... A fascinating recent study called “Bowling for Fascism” goes much further: It shows that the rise of Nazism was greatly facilitated by unusually high levels of social capital in Weimar Germany..."

     

    First subsection--Hitler’s Rise:


    "...an important and novel perspective on Adolf Hitler’s ascension to power. And by identifying conditions that help to spread extremism, it also offers significant lessons for the present, including the risk of terrorism...

    ...The authors’ principal finding is that in cities with dense networks of clubs and associations, Germans were far more likely to join the Nazi Party...

    ...Nazism spread in part as a result of face-to-face interactions by people who were in frequent contact with one another..."

     

    Second subsection--Social Pressures :


    "...Like-minded people tend to go to extremes, in large part because they learn from each other...

    ...For the current period, there is a straightforward lesson... in some nations, dense social networks also increase people’s vulnerability to extremism...

    ...No one should doubt that private associations are desirable and valuable, and that they can produce a dazzling range of social goods, including checks on the power of government. But Satyanath and his co-authors reveal another possibility: that such associations can facilitate the spread of extremism, ultimately laying the groundwork for serious challenges to democracy itself...

    ...(Cass R. Sunstein, the Robert Walmsley University professor at Harvard Law School... He is the former administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs...)"

     

    All Hitler, all the time, it seems. Think of the horror of uncontrolled face-to-face interactions! Perhaps Jews suffer from a group form of PTSD. Perhaps they have gone to extremes.

    Sunnstein’s “deep” insight is that people who share common goals and work together can accomplish much but what they accomplish may not always be desirable when considered from the viewpoint of others. I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that he was perfectly describing the up-to-now, successful war on freedom and the White, Christian middle-class of this country which he and his elite, prog comrades have been conducting over the last half century or so.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that he was perfectly describing the up-to-now, successful war on freedom and the White, Christian middle-class of this country which he and his elite, prog comrades have been conducting over the last half century or so.
     
    Exactly.
    , @Lurker

    Sunnstein’s “deep” insight is that people who share common goals and work together can accomplish much
     
    It's almost as if he were at war with reality and human nature!
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that he was perfectly describing the up-to-now, successful war on freedom and the White, Christian middle-class of this country which he and his elite, prog comrades have been conducting over the last half century or so.

     

    The more one contemplates those comrades in the light of their arguments, the more one notices that psychological projection is their stock-in-trade.
  56. @for-the-record

    If you ask me though, people 100 years from now will look back on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship as a lot more ridiculous.
     
    On what planet will these "people" live?

    The fundamental difference with Communist thought control was that once it ended you could go back to more or less were you were when you started. Poland is still Poland, Bulgaria is still Bulgaria. The US and Europe (at least Western Europe) will never be able to do this.

    Yes, if the current policies continue, there will be no one left in to look back in wonder “on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship”. The only ones around will be the Vibrants and they’ll just laugh every once in a while about the people who sold their land for some glass beads or a bowl of porridge or something.

    ” ‘How maddening’, says God, ‘it will be when there are no longer any Frenchmen. There will be things that I do that no one will be left to understand’ “. (Le Mystère des saints Innocents)
    […]
    “It will never be known what acts of cowardice have been committed for fear of not looking sufficiently progressive.” (Notre Patrie, 1905)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P%C3%A9guy#Famous_quotations

    • Replies: @Laugh Track

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P%C3%A9guy#Famous_quotations
     
    Thanks for the pointer to Peguy. Definitely someone worth exploring.
    , @Pericles
    Sold their land for a visit to a new taco stand.
    , @BB753
    For some reason, Western History's greatest reactionaries were Frenchmen, like Péguy, Huysmans, Baudelaire (no, I'm not making this up, just read his prose writings!), Céline, Raspail or French speakers like Joseph de Maistre. Maybe because France was the first country to be hit badly by the Enlightenment, in the form of a bloody revolution, la Terreur, then Napoleon, never to recover again except for the brief interlude called "Restauration".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_Restoration

  57. @for-the-record
    Sorry, I wasn't meaning to imply that countries like Romania (and Hungary) were not adversely affected by what they went through. What I should have said is "Poland is still populated by Poles" (and Romanians by Romanians, etc.), which is at least something. Hopefully the ex-Communist countries can hold on to this, and eventually undo the damage that was done. And looking at what they have survived in the past, this doesn't seem impossible. What does seem impossible is that England at the end of the 21st century will still be "English".

    As things are currently going, whatever Englishness, Frenchness or Germanness exists in 100 years will depend on Islamic rulings. It will be the learned imams who decide whether a European tradition is haram or not. It won’t be a bunch of exotic holy men ruling over 80% ethnic English either; it will be beige Brits in robes ruling over other beige Brits. European girls will be quite a catch too, so they’ll go back to their new husbands’ homelands and sort of fade into the crowd. Europe and North America will swap people with that wide swath of humanity that runs from Morocco to Bangladesh. It’s gonna be amazing!

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I ate bad fish once in Thailand. That was amazing, too, let me tell you!
  58. @Olorin

    Once prominent citizens started to announce, in public, that they abhorred communism, others felt freer to say that they abhorred it too, and regimes were bound to collapse.
     
    Well at least Cass Sunstein is being honest about the issue at hand here, as our host deftly occamed.

    In their view, social norms of civility, tolerance and respect are fragile.
     
    And don't the concert-goers of Bataclan and Manchester, white parents of daughters in Rotherham, gay discogoers of Orlando, and employees of Charlie Hebdo just know it!

    Anyhoo. This whole study was back-formed from the conclusion they intended to reach. That's the whole point of advocacy/activist/propagandist research programs.

    It's the corollary method to putting 600 variables in the SPSS cyclotron and smashing them together till you get a publishable particle.

    And don’t the concert-goers of Bataclan and Manchester, white parents of daughters in Rotherham, gay discogoers of Orlando, and employees of Charlie Hebdo just know it!

    Well yeah sure, but some crazy white Jill Stein/Bernie Sanders supporter stabbed two white guys in Oregon, so it’s pretty much even.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Nuh-uh, he was a right wing alt right white supremacist! Who loved Trump!

    Jill Stein told me so in a tweet!
  59. @Autochthon

    Sometimes for better or sometimes for worse, people’s statements and actions are inhibited by prevailing social norms. When norms start to disintegrate, we can see startlingly fast alterations in what people say and do.
     
    Uh huh. Worms on the sidewalks cause rainstorms and runny noses cause influenza, too....

    What if people's statements and actions reflect – indeed are – social norms? What if the behaviour and the norms are an identity, and one which can change over time, just as when people stopped keeping slaves it could then – and only then – be accurately said that slavery violated social norms? Is that just crazy European imperialist causal logic from which brilliant people of colour like Mr. Kuran have long since liberated themsleves?

    Leftists and Democrats have been tearing down societal norms for 50 years–and now they’re concerned? LOL.

  60. If you’ve watched the immigration issue for any length of time (I have since about 2006) you’ve noticed the way the Left has taken the Overton Window (is that the correct term?) and pushed it so far to the left that perfectly respectable views have now been – or should I say *were* – recategorized as racist. You couldn’t say that legal immigration should be reduced. Now you can. You couldn’t say we should secure our borders and deport illegals. Now you can. You couldn’t say that immigration by groups that don’t assimilate well (e.g., Muslims) shouldn’t be allowed. Now you can.

    Donald Trump came along and, through his victory, pushed the window right back to where it always belonged. I’m not a fan of Trump’s more extreme statements about certain groups of people(which he mostly seems to have stopped, anyway) but it took a bit of overkill to get the discussion back on track.

    The Left thought Donald Trump was extreme. Well. He isn’t nearly as extreme as those who have sought to shut down debate, silence freedom of speech, and ban perfectly reasonable views from public discussion. Donald Trump hasn’t done nearly as much to restrict our freedoms as those people have.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Happened in the UK.

    The current (post New Labour) levels of immigration into Britain, a small and grossly overcrowded island, are truly absurd in any historical or comparative context. In fact, they rival or actually exceed American Ellis Island rates of 1900 - always regarded sine non qua of a mass exodus.

    Theresa May is proposing some rather milquetoast lame and massively over generous 'cap' on immigration. Screams from predictable quarters that the 'UK economy will be "wrecked" by the controls'.
    Yep. Prior to year 2003 it was impossible to purchase a head of cabbage in England.
  61. @reiner Tor

    “It is so nice to know that others out there think the same thing.”
     
    Yes, especially others who are intelligent, well-read, and probably pleasant company to have a couple of coffees or drinks with. It's a bit off-putting when one gets dumb comments on a doubleplus-nongoodthinker site. That's one of the big advantages of Steve's censoring.

    I’ve been hands off on censoring comments and so far, so good. I get some pissing matches on occasion, but it is rare. It’s always when I touch on libertarian issues. Libertarians are humorless. Otherwise, my regulars are mostly academics so it is pretty civil.

    But, I’m not Sailer. I get ~100 comments per post and probably a tenth of the readers. My guess is comment policy does not scale.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  62. Thank you for pointing out these people Steve. They always pretend to be selfless but are somehow always pushing their own interest(or at least they think they are).

  63. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s now OK to be known to agree “that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that.”

    Actually there is nothing incongruent about the above quote. One might find exception if they had said for “American” society and culture to persist. But they clearly specified “European-American” society and culture. Thus, the quote is logical

    From their reaction to that truthful quote one could infer they would have no problem with this quote, “for a multicultural American society and culture to exist requires a reduction in the percentage of European-Americans, and a clear one at that.”

  64. fnn says:
    @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Women in the infantry:


    Over the years, countless voices have warned that women could never handle the demands of the infantry, and would destroy its all-male esprit de corps. None of the recruits or drill sergeants interviewed at Fort Benning shared that fear. They all pointed to women like Private Padgett.

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters while on the team at East Carolina University, and showed up at basic training in better shape than many of the men. She is now on her way to Airborne School, and wants to eventually become a Ranger.

    “She’s a hoss,” her drill sergeant, Joseph Sapp, said as he watched her. After a tour in Iraq and four in Afghanistan, he has served with his share of soldiers. “Forget male-female; she’s one of the best in the company. She’s one you’re happy to have.”
     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/for-army-infantrys-1st-women-heavy-packs-and-the-weight-of-history.html?_r=0

    Hammer thrower.....Steroids?

    You don’t need steroids to find outliers like this. Delve into the history of strength sports and you can find accounts (and photos) of strongwomen performing amazing exhibitions during the Victorian Era. I recall a photo of one such woman lifting her husband above her head with one hand and with apparent ease.

    Then there’s the case of Violette Morris:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violette_Morris

    Morris was a gifted athlete, becoming the first French woman to excel at shot put and discus, and playing on two separate women’s football teams. She played for Fémina Sports from 1917 until 1919, and for Olympique de Paris from 1920 to 1926. Both teams were based in Paris. She also played on the French women’s national team.[2][3]

    In addition to her football career, she was an active participant in many other sports. She was selected for the French national water polo team even though there was no women’s team at the time. She was an avid boxer, often fighting against, and defeating men.[4] She became French national champion in 1923. Among the other sports she participated in were road bicycle racing, motorcycle racing, car racing, airplane racing, horseback riding, tennis, archery, diving, swimming,[5] weightlifting, and Greco-Roman wrestling. Her most brilliant athletic years were considered to be from 1921 to 1924, when her slogan was “Ce qu’un homme fait, Violette peut le faire!” (English: Anything a man can do Violette can do!). She later won the 1927 Bol d’Or 24 Hours car race at the wheel of a B.N.C..[6]

    At the end of December 1935, Morris was recruited by the Sicherheitsdienst (Security Service), a wing of the infamous SS of Nazi Germany. She was invited, with honor, to attend the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin at the personal behest of Adolf Hitler. She gave Germany partial plans of the Maginot Line, detailed plans of strategic points within the city of Paris, and schematics of the French army’s main tank, the Somua S35.[citation needed] Her plans were integral to the German invasion of Paris in 1940.[citation needed] She benefited from the German occupation, often colluding with the local mob. She lived through the German occupation in a houseboat on the River Seine.

    One of her main responsibilities during the war was to foil the operation of the Special Operations Executive, a British-run organisation that helped the resistance. For these activities, Morris was sentenced to death in absentia and was killed along a country road by members of a French resistance group on 26 April 1944, at the age of 51, while out driving with friends who were also collaborators. Two other passengers were little children. They too were killed. Her body, riddled with bullets, was never claimed, and was buried in a communal grave.[2]

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    It's possible that she's an outlier, but I'd think steroid users must be more common than such outliers. Padgett is less famous than the 19th century outliers you mentioned. That's my guess, anyway.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Lax, inconsistent, evanescent, mutable. and arbitrary group loyalties seem to be particularly prevalent among those with an ambiguous sexuality. This is one major reason why intelligence, military, and other organizations where group loyalty is a sine qua non have traditionally shunned employing such people as employees but actively recruited them as agents.
  65. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Women in the infantry:


    Over the years, countless voices have warned that women could never handle the demands of the infantry, and would destroy its all-male esprit de corps. None of the recruits or drill sergeants interviewed at Fort Benning shared that fear. They all pointed to women like Private Padgett.

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters while on the team at East Carolina University, and showed up at basic training in better shape than many of the men. She is now on her way to Airborne School, and wants to eventually become a Ranger.

    “She’s a hoss,” her drill sergeant, Joseph Sapp, said as he watched her. After a tour in Iraq and four in Afghanistan, he has served with his share of soldiers. “Forget male-female; she’s one of the best in the company. She’s one you’re happy to have.”
     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/for-army-infantrys-1st-women-heavy-packs-and-the-weight-of-history.html?_r=0

    Hammer thrower.....Steroids?

    Men’s hammer is 16#.
    Women’s hammer is 8.82#.
    Men’s record throw 86.7 meters set in 1986 ( 31 years ago ).
    Women’s record throw 82.9 meters set in 2016 ( 1 year ago ).
    Women’s hammer throw not recognized as a sport until 1994.
    So, probably not steroids for Padgett.
    Probably steroids for the men’s world record.

  66. The old liberal ideal was the “marketplace of ideas” – under our 1st Amendment, all points of view could compete in the marketplace and the best ideas would win, just as the best products win out. Bad ideas, like bad products, would wither from lack of popularity. You can still sell a Blackberry or Fascism, it’s just that no one wants to buy it.

    But modern “liberals” are distrustful of markets. People, especially poor educated white people, make dumb choices if they are allowed to make their own choices. They choose calorie laden sugary drinks instead of healthy kombu tea. They choose people like Trump instead of healthy politicians like Hillary. So society needs to intervene in order to guide (and if necessary force) stupid people to do the right thing for their own good.

  67. @Cagey Beast
    As things are currently going, whatever Englishness, Frenchness or Germanness exists in 100 years will depend on Islamic rulings. It will be the learned imams who decide whether a European tradition is haram or not. It won't be a bunch of exotic holy men ruling over 80% ethnic English either; it will be beige Brits in robes ruling over other beige Brits. European girls will be quite a catch too, so they'll go back to their new husbands' homelands and sort of fade into the crowd. Europe and North America will swap people with that wide swath of humanity that runs from Morocco to Bangladesh. It's gonna be amazing!

    I ate bad fish once in Thailand. That was amazing, too, let me tell you!

  68. @Romanian
    I second what reiner Tor said. Romania is still Romania, but, in many ways, it is a shadow of its former self at a social level. Forced migration and urbanization under Communism diminished the family and village networks. Collectivization removed ownership, investment and responsibility. Material hardship created an every man for himself mentality. We revived all of the pre-Communist parties, but none of them function as they used to. We used to have powerful peasant politics, based on what Anglo-Saxons would call yeomen. But their morals have been destroyed by collectivization, as have the morals of every class, especially the government workers.

    And, even though people say that the Easterners remained socially conservative because of Communism shielding them from the Western deluge, the fact is that Communism weakened their immune system for other forms of degradation to seep in. It affected national pride, to the point where the main argument X or Y is that the West is doing it and we are primitives for not copying them. It made us mercenary and, to a certain extent, amoral familists in outlook. But there are signs of change. There is currently a very vocal push for gay marriage, opposed by the Coalition for the Family. The latter are a bit boorish and unprofessional, and some of their proposals are so outright unrealistic that they have become fodder for ridicule, but I thought it was amazing for the level of Romanian civil society how they managed to organize across class lines and in the face of goodthinker opposition to get 3 million signatures (out of 19 million residents) calling for a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. Having seen what the US is undergoing because of its attempts to legislate political preferences constitutionally, I think it is a bad idea to use the Constitution as a wish list for society and we should resign ourselves to opposing the gay marriage lobby permanently, until their foreign supporters like Soros and the Department of State fold.

    While the opposition dominates the public facebook (by numbers of social media savvy youngsters, not because they get opposing content banned), the Coalition for the Family guys have private facebook groups of tens of thousands, organized for basically family stuff and charity, with a bit of religion thrown in. Badthinkers respond on comment boards for articles, but the vocal elites (actors, media, entertainment personalities) are very much in favor of gay marriage. In a bit which I think was inspired by the Bill Nye video, they are making a mock counter-opposition called the Coalition for Vanilla, claiming to protect the ancestral icecream flavor of Romanians from the assault of the new flavors, even though we have no expression of blandness based on vanilla, that being a Western concept.

    even though we have no expression of blandness based on vanilla, that being a Western concept.

    Vanilla flavour isn’t bland but vanilla ice cream is white – hence the cultural assault.

  69. fnn says:

    Yet another study (this time from *Sweden* ) showing ethnic diversity undermines social cohesion:
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/29/study-ethnic-diversity-bad-sweden/

    New research from Gothenburg University on solidarity in Sweden backs up evidence from previous studies that ethnic diversity is bad for social cohesion.
    Surveying 9,800 randomly selected people, the university’s SOM Institute looked at the degree to which people in Sweden are able to feel a connection with people who differ from themselves.

    Researchers found that, outside of their own group, respondents are most inclined to feel an affinity with people whose education vastly differs from their own.

    “Most also feel a relatively large affinity with those who have very different political views, a different sexual orientation or whose financial situation differs from their own,” science and technology magazine Forskning reports.

    Respondents said they feel the least affinity with people with different ethnic backgrounds, who practice a different religion, or who were brought up in other cultures.

    Putnam’s findings have been replicated many times:
    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/diversity-proximity-war-the-reference-list/

  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    If you've watched the immigration issue for any length of time (I have since about 2006) you've noticed the way the Left has taken the Overton Window (is that the correct term?) and pushed it so far to the left that perfectly respectable views have now been - or should I say *were* - recategorized as racist. You couldn't say that legal immigration should be reduced. Now you can. You couldn't say we should secure our borders and deport illegals. Now you can. You couldn't say that immigration by groups that don't assimilate well (e.g., Muslims) shouldn't be allowed. Now you can.

    Donald Trump came along and, through his victory, pushed the window right back to where it always belonged. I'm not a fan of Trump's more extreme statements about certain groups of people(which he mostly seems to have stopped, anyway) but it took a bit of overkill to get the discussion back on track.

    The Left thought Donald Trump was extreme. Well. He isn't nearly as extreme as those who have sought to shut down debate, silence freedom of speech, and ban perfectly reasonable views from public discussion. Donald Trump hasn't done nearly as much to restrict our freedoms as those people have.

    Happened in the UK.

    The current (post New Labour) levels of immigration into Britain, a small and grossly overcrowded island, are truly absurd in any historical or comparative context. In fact, they rival or actually exceed American Ellis Island rates of 1900 – always regarded sine non qua of a mass exodus.

    Theresa May is proposing some rather milquetoast lame and massively over generous ‘cap’ on immigration. Screams from predictable quarters that the ‘UK economy will be “wrecked” by the controls’.
    Yep. Prior to year 2003 it was impossible to purchase a head of cabbage in England.

  71. @ic1000

    It’s hard to test these kinds of ideas rigorously, but in an ingenious new paper, a team of economists has done exactly that.
     
    Perhaps Mr. Sunstein meant to write ingenuous. Although disingenuous is the more fitting adjective.

    [Subjects were asked if they would donate $1 to] The Federation for American Immigration Reform, accurately described as an anti-immigrant organization whose founder has written, “I’ve come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that.”
     
    Fun Fact -- According to my go-to source, it was Steve's favorite Michigan opthalmologist, John Tanton, who wrote that! In 1993. To Garrett Hardin, the scientist who wrote "The Tragedy of the Commons."

    If professors Sunstein, Kuran, Bursztyn, Egorov, or Fiorin had wanted their subjects to know what motivates FAIR's donors, they could have referred to the easily-located webpage entitled About FAIR. It begins,

    FAIR is a non-profit, non-partisan organization of concerned individuals who believe that our immigration laws must be reformed to better serve the needs of current and future generations.

    With a support base that includes nearly 50 private foundations and over 1.3 million diverse members and supporters, FAIR is free of party loyalties and special interest connections.

    For more than 35 years, FAIR has been leading the call for immigration reform by offering and advocating solutions that help reduce the harmful impact of uncontrolled immigration on national security, jobs, education, health care, and our environment.

    Our Mission

    In all that we do, our goal is to educate and increase public awareness of immigration issues, present solutions, hold our leaders accountable for answers, and ensure the public's voice is heard.

    FAIR seeks to reduce overall immigration to a level that is more manageable and which more closely reflects past policy. Reducing legal immigration from well over one million presently, to 300,000 a year over a sustained period will allow America to more sensibly manage its growth, address its environmental needs, and maintain a high quality of life.

    To make that happen, we work for policies that put the interests of American citizens ahead of big business and special interests demands.
     
    So Trump's upset has enabled Americans to articulate this view. And smelling-salts sales have skyrocketed in college towns throughout the land.

    At least something good has come from The Flight 93 Election.

    On reflection, the paper Sunstein discusses doesn’t seem to be honest. But thanks to paywalling (the abstract is here), it’s hard to partition fault between Sunstein and its authors.

    Bursztyn, Egorov, and Fiorin (BEF) write, “In the main experiment, we identify the causal effect of Donald Trump’s rise in political popularity on individuals’ willingness to publicly express xenophobic views. Participants in the experiment are offered a bonus reward if they authorize researchers to make a donation to an anti-immigration organization on their behalf.”

    BEF chose FAIR to represent xenophobic views. Sunstein characterizes FAIR by a 24-year-old quote.* How did BEF describe the organization? FAIR’s actual, current “About” statement (excerpted above) must sit comfortably within the Overton Window. As experienced by most of the survey’s target audience, Red State people-on-the-street. We can stipulate that it’s horrifyingly un-woke from the perspective of Sunstein, Bursztyn (U. Chicago), Egorov (Northwestern) and Fiorin (UCLA). That’s not quite the same thing.

    Xenophobic. You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Which of BEF’s 458 flyover-country subjects had prior, accurate knowledge of FAIR? How did their responses contaminate BEF’s findings?

    – – – – –
    * Just wondering: can I get my research published at NBER, if it calls the ACLU a Communist front and labels Planned Parenthood as a eugenics advocacy group?

    • Replies: @res
    Paper is at Libgen. Search for DOI 10.3386/w23415
  72. @Trelane
    Here's a video of Cass from 10 days ago. He appears to be a dishevelled, balding, hungover, effete, inarticulate, lefty Jewish communist with an effeminant lilt in his voice.

    Why, and by whom, would such a person be considered a public intellectual instead of, say, a grimy lowlife surviving on the street on seventh avenue

    https://youtu.be/zA1kVZUZAoM?t=19

    Interesting aside he makes at one point: “And don’t ask me how I know that.”

  73. @Cagey Beast
    Yes, if the current policies continue, there will be no one left in to look back in wonder "on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship". The only ones around will be the Vibrants and they'll just laugh every once in a while about the people who sold their land for some glass beads or a bowl of porridge or something.

    " 'How maddening', says God, 'it will be when there are no longer any Frenchmen. There will be things that I do that no one will be left to understand' ". (Le Mystère des saints Innocents)
    [...]
    "It will never be known what acts of cowardice have been committed for fear of not looking sufficiently progressive." (Notre Patrie, 1905)
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P%C3%A9guy#Famous_quotations

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P%C3%A9guy#Famous_quotations

    Thanks for the pointer to Peguy. Definitely someone worth exploring.

  74. @reiner Tor

    Poland is still Poland, Bulgaria is still Bulgaria.
     
    Hungary is still Hungary, but we've become a lower trust and more corrupt society under communism. Communism basically thrived on burning public trust. Stalin executed his court statisticians when they showed that at least 8 million people were missing (mostly the people killed in the famines and the children never born during the famine either to these people or to survivors who put off childbearing for several years, thus lowering their final fertility numbers). Then the new set of statisticians did the same counting, and (knowing well the fate of their predecessors) came up with exactly the same numbers. (Stalin had the good sense not to execute the second set of statisticians.) You cannot continue this indefinitely without destroying social capital and trust. And without those, the system wouldn't have been able to achieve what it did - for example in China, where public trust and social capital was already lower after a century of civil wars, and where there was no or very little tradition of impartial scholarship and empiricism, the statisticians basically just told Chairman Mao the lies he wanted to hear. That resulted in the catastrophe of the Great Leap Forward, and that's why unlike the USSR, China never managed to fully industrialize under communism. They simply didn't have enough social capital and public trust to burn through.

    Also, a lot of the elites just left, or were killed. So communism was horrible, and it had some lasting effects, even some biological effects.

    But yes, the current PC madness is way way worse. There will be no "us" (or, what will be, will be an ever decreasing oppressed minority) by the end of the century.

    To what extent is social trust propensity genetically determined, versus environmental.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    It's probably like height. It can be stunted by a sufficiently bad environment, but its maximum is mostly genetically determined. Communism disrupted it, and rebuilding social trust after a serious disruption probably takes several generations, maybe several centuries.
  75. @Autochthon
    Boy, you talk about acacemic blowhards dressing up in sanctimonious jargon the things any half-aware farmer or mechanic has known since he was a kid....

    All this prattle does is reiterate that persons who can and do communicate and establish trust are able to behave in solidarity to achieve shared goals, especially against common enemies or oppressors: examples include trade guilds; labor unions; neighbourhood watches; credit unions; farmers' cooperatives; modern democracy itself – as first with the British nobles with Magna Carta, New England's town meetings, then the revolutions of the U.S.A., France, and South America (under Bolívar et al.) united to tell dictatotial autocrats to stuff it; and, yes, even the PTA – groups of parents realising they could and would collectively demand responsiveness and a say in governmental schools affecting their children.

    What a maroon. His brilliant insight is that if people get together over coffee and discuss their situations amongst themselves it is easier for them to do something about it and harder for them to be pushed around. I had this stuff down by the time I was about eight, when we two youngest brothers realised that together we could defeat our eldest brother (too strong fir either of us alone, and who had until then bullied us each separately). When our mother discovered him (the eldest) crying for a change – from a walloping we had together given him in defense of ourselves – she laughed and told him she supposed he would't pick on either of us again. The only people this phenomenon bodes ill for are bullies.

    Is it possible that Western nations and the Muslim nation have a common enemy or oppressor?

    Is an opportunity being missed for solidarity against globalism? Should we not be able to reach a shared understanding that both of our respective cultures are under attack?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    We may share a common enemy, but we do not share much else.
  76. @fnn
    You don't need steroids to find outliers like this. Delve into the history of strength sports and you can find accounts (and photos) of strongwomen performing amazing exhibitions during the Victorian Era. I recall a photo of one such woman lifting her husband above her head with one hand and with apparent ease.

    Then there's the case of Violette Morris:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violette_Morris

    Morris was a gifted athlete, becoming the first French woman to excel at shot put and discus, and playing on two separate women's football teams. She played for Fémina Sports from 1917 until 1919, and for Olympique de Paris from 1920 to 1926. Both teams were based in Paris. She also played on the French women's national team.[2][3]

    In addition to her football career, she was an active participant in many other sports. She was selected for the French national water polo team even though there was no women's team at the time. She was an avid boxer, often fighting against, and defeating men.[4] She became French national champion in 1923. Among the other sports she participated in were road bicycle racing, motorcycle racing, car racing, airplane racing, horseback riding, tennis, archery, diving, swimming,[5] weightlifting, and Greco-Roman wrestling. Her most brilliant athletic years were considered to be from 1921 to 1924, when her slogan was "Ce qu'un homme fait, Violette peut le faire!" (English: Anything a man can do Violette can do!). She later won the 1927 Bol d'Or 24 Hours car race at the wheel of a B.N.C..[6]
     

    At the end of December 1935, Morris was recruited by the Sicherheitsdienst (Security Service), a wing of the infamous SS of Nazi Germany. She was invited, with honor, to attend the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin at the personal behest of Adolf Hitler. She gave Germany partial plans of the Maginot Line, detailed plans of strategic points within the city of Paris, and schematics of the French army's main tank, the Somua S35.[citation needed] Her plans were integral to the German invasion of Paris in 1940.[citation needed] She benefited from the German occupation, often colluding with the local mob. She lived through the German occupation in a houseboat on the River Seine.

    One of her main responsibilities during the war was to foil the operation of the Special Operations Executive, a British-run organisation that helped the resistance. For these activities, Morris was sentenced to death in absentia and was killed along a country road by members of a French resistance group on 26 April 1944, at the age of 51, while out driving with friends who were also collaborators. Two other passengers were little children. They too were killed. Her body, riddled with bullets, was never claimed, and was buried in a communal grave.[2]
     

    It’s possible that she’s an outlier, but I’d think steroid users must be more common than such outliers. Padgett is less famous than the 19th century outliers you mentioned. That’s my guess, anyway.

  77. @Romanian
    I second what reiner Tor said. Romania is still Romania, but, in many ways, it is a shadow of its former self at a social level. Forced migration and urbanization under Communism diminished the family and village networks. Collectivization removed ownership, investment and responsibility. Material hardship created an every man for himself mentality. We revived all of the pre-Communist parties, but none of them function as they used to. We used to have powerful peasant politics, based on what Anglo-Saxons would call yeomen. But their morals have been destroyed by collectivization, as have the morals of every class, especially the government workers.

    And, even though people say that the Easterners remained socially conservative because of Communism shielding them from the Western deluge, the fact is that Communism weakened their immune system for other forms of degradation to seep in. It affected national pride, to the point where the main argument X or Y is that the West is doing it and we are primitives for not copying them. It made us mercenary and, to a certain extent, amoral familists in outlook. But there are signs of change. There is currently a very vocal push for gay marriage, opposed by the Coalition for the Family. The latter are a bit boorish and unprofessional, and some of their proposals are so outright unrealistic that they have become fodder for ridicule, but I thought it was amazing for the level of Romanian civil society how they managed to organize across class lines and in the face of goodthinker opposition to get 3 million signatures (out of 19 million residents) calling for a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. Having seen what the US is undergoing because of its attempts to legislate political preferences constitutionally, I think it is a bad idea to use the Constitution as a wish list for society and we should resign ourselves to opposing the gay marriage lobby permanently, until their foreign supporters like Soros and the Department of State fold.

    While the opposition dominates the public facebook (by numbers of social media savvy youngsters, not because they get opposing content banned), the Coalition for the Family guys have private facebook groups of tens of thousands, organized for basically family stuff and charity, with a bit of religion thrown in. Badthinkers respond on comment boards for articles, but the vocal elites (actors, media, entertainment personalities) are very much in favor of gay marriage. In a bit which I think was inspired by the Bill Nye video, they are making a mock counter-opposition called the Coalition for Vanilla, claiming to protect the ancestral icecream flavor of Romanians from the assault of the new flavors, even though we have no expression of blandness based on vanilla, that being a Western concept.

    But their morals have been destroyed by collectivization, as have the morals of every class, especially the government workers.

    Could you explain the mechanism by which morals were destroyed?

    • Replies: @Romanian
    In my non-expert view, the problems came when the peasants were expropriated by the State and their property ended up in common farms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_Romania

    This led to demoralization and an erosion of the incentive to work, since hard workers would not be better compensated than bad workers, and the bad work ethic drove out the good work ethic. This system was also found in the rest of the economy, leading to the immortal line "we pretend to work, they pretend to pay us". For the peasants, I think it was worse, because social hierarchies were tied up in the land. Agricultural reform that broke up the estates of huge noble landowners and the Church was only done gradually and achieved during the early interwar period. So the development of the mass peasant class and the attendant virtues did not have too much time to take place before it regressed. Later, with the disappearance of the agricultural production cooperatives, many peasants found themselves back to the drawing board with regard to scientific methods of agriculture, mechanization etc, but neither did they have the flair of traditional farming that led to eco-tourism in the West. They became subsistence farmers, with many persistent social pathologies like drinking to excess. Others sold the land or leased it to the corporations. As a result, there is little romance involved in farming today, and few young people would consider it as a lifestyle or career, unlike that article about Italy. The suspicion that remained from collectivization also impedes the new agricultural associations of small farmers, despite government efforts to promote and subsidize it. There are a few success stories but, by and large, it's either the subsistence farmer or the corporation, with the trend being for the inheritors of farmland to either sell it or lease it to companies.

    Did I answer you?
  78. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Women in the infantry:


    Over the years, countless voices have warned that women could never handle the demands of the infantry, and would destroy its all-male esprit de corps. None of the recruits or drill sergeants interviewed at Fort Benning shared that fear. They all pointed to women like Private Padgett.

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters while on the team at East Carolina University, and showed up at basic training in better shape than many of the men. She is now on her way to Airborne School, and wants to eventually become a Ranger.

    “She’s a hoss,” her drill sergeant, Joseph Sapp, said as he watched her. After a tour in Iraq and four in Afghanistan, he has served with his share of soldiers. “Forget male-female; she’s one of the best in the company. She’s one you’re happy to have.”
     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/for-army-infantrys-1st-women-heavy-packs-and-the-weight-of-history.html?_r=0

    Hammer thrower.....Steroids?

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters

    Wow, the people who write for the NY Times are really f***ing stupid. Of course, they could just be flat out evil, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and just say that they are really, really stupid.

    Padgett did indeed throw the hammer more than 60 meters

    http://www.all-athletics.com/node/94259

    But in NCAA women’s competition, which is governed by the USATF, the hammer weighs only 4 kg, or about 8.8 pounds (as noted by commenter above).

    http://www.usatfmasters.org/ev_throws_specs.htm

    How the f*** does Dave Philipps even have a job, doing ANYTHING?

    If her accomplishment of throwing the hammer 60m is so great, why does the weight of the hammer have to be exaggerated by more than 200%? Shouldn’t it be enough just to present it as is? Throwing a football 60 yards is possible only by elite quarterbacks, but SuperWoman here is apparently throwing a 20 pound f***ing hammer 60 meters. We’re talking John Henry territory here. In the next article the hammer will have weighed 50 pounds, and she’ll have thrown it 100 meters.

    You know what, I changed my mind. They’re not that stupid. These people are just trash, who have no regard for truth, who lie about the smallest things out of habit, and have no qualification to have authority over anything.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    The hammer is fine
  79. Lefty.. except about Israel… and Samantha Power has shifted from sympathetic to Palestinians to pro Israel.

    Spreading destructive ideas (leftist) to ethnic groups you fear or hate is a pretty effective strategy.

  80. @Cagey Beast
    Yes, if the current policies continue, there will be no one left in to look back in wonder "on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship". The only ones around will be the Vibrants and they'll just laugh every once in a while about the people who sold their land for some glass beads or a bowl of porridge or something.

    " 'How maddening', says God, 'it will be when there are no longer any Frenchmen. There will be things that I do that no one will be left to understand' ". (Le Mystère des saints Innocents)
    [...]
    "It will never be known what acts of cowardice have been committed for fear of not looking sufficiently progressive." (Notre Patrie, 1905)
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P%C3%A9guy#Famous_quotations

    Sold their land for a visit to a new taco stand.

  81. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Sunnstein's "deep" insight is that people who share common goals and work together can accomplish much but what they accomplish may not always be desirable when considered from the viewpoint of others. I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that he was perfectly describing the up-to-now, successful war on freedom and the White, Christian middle-class of this country which he and his elite, prog comrades have been conducting over the last half century or so.

    I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that he was perfectly describing the up-to-now, successful war on freedom and the White, Christian middle-class of this country which he and his elite, prog comrades have been conducting over the last half century or so.

    Exactly.

  82. @fnn
    You don't need steroids to find outliers like this. Delve into the history of strength sports and you can find accounts (and photos) of strongwomen performing amazing exhibitions during the Victorian Era. I recall a photo of one such woman lifting her husband above her head with one hand and with apparent ease.

    Then there's the case of Violette Morris:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violette_Morris

    Morris was a gifted athlete, becoming the first French woman to excel at shot put and discus, and playing on two separate women's football teams. She played for Fémina Sports from 1917 until 1919, and for Olympique de Paris from 1920 to 1926. Both teams were based in Paris. She also played on the French women's national team.[2][3]

    In addition to her football career, she was an active participant in many other sports. She was selected for the French national water polo team even though there was no women's team at the time. She was an avid boxer, often fighting against, and defeating men.[4] She became French national champion in 1923. Among the other sports she participated in were road bicycle racing, motorcycle racing, car racing, airplane racing, horseback riding, tennis, archery, diving, swimming,[5] weightlifting, and Greco-Roman wrestling. Her most brilliant athletic years were considered to be from 1921 to 1924, when her slogan was "Ce qu'un homme fait, Violette peut le faire!" (English: Anything a man can do Violette can do!). She later won the 1927 Bol d'Or 24 Hours car race at the wheel of a B.N.C..[6]
     

    At the end of December 1935, Morris was recruited by the Sicherheitsdienst (Security Service), a wing of the infamous SS of Nazi Germany. She was invited, with honor, to attend the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin at the personal behest of Adolf Hitler. She gave Germany partial plans of the Maginot Line, detailed plans of strategic points within the city of Paris, and schematics of the French army's main tank, the Somua S35.[citation needed] Her plans were integral to the German invasion of Paris in 1940.[citation needed] She benefited from the German occupation, often colluding with the local mob. She lived through the German occupation in a houseboat on the River Seine.

    One of her main responsibilities during the war was to foil the operation of the Special Operations Executive, a British-run organisation that helped the resistance. For these activities, Morris was sentenced to death in absentia and was killed along a country road by members of a French resistance group on 26 April 1944, at the age of 51, while out driving with friends who were also collaborators. Two other passengers were little children. They too were killed. Her body, riddled with bullets, was never claimed, and was buried in a communal grave.[2]
     

    Lax, inconsistent, evanescent, mutable. and arbitrary group loyalties seem to be particularly prevalent among those with an ambiguous sexuality. This is one major reason why intelligence, military, and other organizations where group loyalty is a sine qua non have traditionally shunned employing such people as employees but actively recruited them as agents.

  83. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Sunnstein's "deep" insight is that people who share common goals and work together can accomplish much but what they accomplish may not always be desirable when considered from the viewpoint of others. I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that he was perfectly describing the up-to-now, successful war on freedom and the White, Christian middle-class of this country which he and his elite, prog comrades have been conducting over the last half century or so.

    Sunnstein’s “deep” insight is that people who share common goals and work together can accomplish much

    It’s almost as if he were at war with reality and human nature!

  84. @Olorin

    Once prominent citizens started to announce, in public, that they abhorred communism, others felt freer to say that they abhorred it too, and regimes were bound to collapse.
     
    Well at least Cass Sunstein is being honest about the issue at hand here, as our host deftly occamed.

    In their view, social norms of civility, tolerance and respect are fragile.
     
    And don't the concert-goers of Bataclan and Manchester, white parents of daughters in Rotherham, gay discogoers of Orlando, and employees of Charlie Hebdo just know it!

    Anyhoo. This whole study was back-formed from the conclusion they intended to reach. That's the whole point of advocacy/activist/propagandist research programs.

    It's the corollary method to putting 600 variables in the SPSS cyclotron and smashing them together till you get a publishable particle.

    occamed

    I LOVE that as a verb!

  85. It would be extremely useful if social scientists finally did some critical research on non-white groups. We are all intimately aware of all the faults of the majority population but almost completely in the dark about everybody else. It would be far more illuminating and impactful if the same study was done on Sunstein’s tribe or Timur Kuran’s. It also might go a long way to explaining why the majority feels the way it does.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  86. @Cagey Beast
    Yes, if the current policies continue, there will be no one left in to look back in wonder "on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship". The only ones around will be the Vibrants and they'll just laugh every once in a while about the people who sold their land for some glass beads or a bowl of porridge or something.

    " 'How maddening', says God, 'it will be when there are no longer any Frenchmen. There will be things that I do that no one will be left to understand' ". (Le Mystère des saints Innocents)
    [...]
    "It will never be known what acts of cowardice have been committed for fear of not looking sufficiently progressive." (Notre Patrie, 1905)
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P%C3%A9guy#Famous_quotations

    For some reason, Western History’s greatest reactionaries were Frenchmen, like Péguy, Huysmans, Baudelaire (no, I’m not making this up, just read his prose writings!), Céline, Raspail or French speakers like Joseph de Maistre. Maybe because France was the first country to be hit badly by the Enlightenment, in the form of a bloody revolution, la Terreur, then Napoleon, never to recover again except for the brief interlude called “Restauration”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_Restoration

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Houellebecq's main character in Submission, a stand-in for himself, I think, is an expert on Huysmans.
  87. Well, you can call me a bigot, right-wing nut-job (or wing-nut for short), racist, and all that stuff, but, I! AM! NOT! A! XENOPHOBE!

    (if you say it again, I might cry…)

    I will admit I have a slight problem with the alkali metals, but I am in a 12-step program (“My name is Achmed, and I have thrown chunks of Sodium and Potassium into the toilet bowl” “Hello, Achmed!”)

  88. @Mr. Anon
    Cass Sunstein is a constitutional scholar - a constitutional scholar with the soul of a secret policeman.

    He is an expert on the Constitution in the same way that a butcher is an expert on cows.

    So well said, Mr. Anon. Thanks.

    What is it about present-day Constitutional “scholars” that makes them so loathe the Constitution? Vile creatures who despise and would destroy what protects them, they obviously haven’t considered who or what would protect them in its absence.

    Helpful hint: It won’t be me or my weapons.

  89. @Laugh Track
    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about this study leads me to think it was a foregone conclusion in search of evidence. But, perhaps that is merely the scientific method: propose a hypothesis, then come up with an experiment to test it.

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Perfecto!

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Perfecto!

    Actually Kuran is one of the world’s leading experts on Islamic economics – and a very ballsy critic of it as well. Not many people would say what Kuran, a Turk, says here:

    https://www.ft.com/content/ee2a2b36-9de5-11e2-9ccc-00144feabdc0

  90. @Laugh Track
    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about this study leads me to think it was a foregone conclusion in search of evidence. But, perhaps that is merely the scientific method: propose a hypothesis, then come up with an experiment to test it.

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Perfecto!

    A scientific experiment shows that the election liberated people to express feelings they’d otherwise keep to themselves.

    Cass R Sunstein’s wife Samantha Power helped carry out a little scientific experiment in Libya.

    It was learned that many people felt liberated to express feelings they had otherwise kept to themselves.

    Namely – targeting and murdering US civilians and targeting and mass murdering black Africans allowed into the country under Qaddafi.

    The experiment confirmed the predictions of many, including Donald Trump!

  91. In Sunstein World

    White genocide = Beautiful
    Opposing White genocide = Ugly

  92. @anonymous
    "Could Bowling Leagues and the PTA Breed Nazis?", Cass R. Sunstein, Bloomberg, July 30, 2013:

    Intro:


    "In recent decades, many social scientists have drawn attention to the importance of “social capital.”... But what if social capital ends up contributing to the rise of extreme movements, including fascism? ...

    ...At the same time, social capital can have a dark side... A fascinating recent study called “Bowling for Fascism” goes much further: It shows that the rise of Nazism was greatly facilitated by unusually high levels of social capital in Weimar Germany..."

     

    First subsection--Hitler’s Rise:


    "...an important and novel perspective on Adolf Hitler’s ascension to power. And by identifying conditions that help to spread extremism, it also offers significant lessons for the present, including the risk of terrorism...

    ...The authors’ principal finding is that in cities with dense networks of clubs and associations, Germans were far more likely to join the Nazi Party...

    ...Nazism spread in part as a result of face-to-face interactions by people who were in frequent contact with one another..."

     

    Second subsection--Social Pressures :


    "...Like-minded people tend to go to extremes, in large part because they learn from each other...

    ...For the current period, there is a straightforward lesson... in some nations, dense social networks also increase people’s vulnerability to extremism...

    ...No one should doubt that private associations are desirable and valuable, and that they can produce a dazzling range of social goods, including checks on the power of government. But Satyanath and his co-authors reveal another possibility: that such associations can facilitate the spread of extremism, ultimately laying the groundwork for serious challenges to democracy itself...

    ...(Cass R. Sunstein, the Robert Walmsley University professor at Harvard Law School... He is the former administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs...)"

     

    All Hitler, all the time, it seems. Think of the horror of uncontrolled face-to-face interactions! Perhaps Jews suffer from a group form of PTSD. Perhaps they have gone to extremes.

    In other news, power tools are dangerous. But also useful for good things.

  93. I haven’t read Kuran’s book on “Preference Falsification” but it would almost seem a commonplace for people to say one thing and think another. That is how we survive in society etc..

    But this – at least as the article would want it – seems in its high form to be a Western phenomenon. The idea that we are fully self-aware and also disemblers.

    What I have noticed living in Asia for a couple of decades – and having tried to find out for professional reasons what people really think – is that many, perhaps most, Asians are so comfortable with their inner weltanschauung that they feel no dissonance with their public self presentation.

    They are not, in other words, lying about their thoughts on, say, race and security that may to them seem almost too obvious to mention.

    Much of the current agony of the West result from this fantastic lack of awareness that political correctness is an enervating mist that floats only across the lands of Judeo-Christian culture. The rest of the world looks on in amazement. The old joke in Hong Kong was that white people were put on this earth to entertain the Chinese. Turns out to be true.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I don't understand. Are you saying that Asian people's inner views are at odds with their public presentation? If so, what's the difference with what this article describes?
  94. @PiltdownMan
    Cass Sunstein was responsible for convincing the Obama White House to set up a behavioral science "nudging" capability in the government.

    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/15/executive-order-using-behavioral-science-insights-better-serve-american

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/09/16/obama-nudge-government/#17b5ccbb2c99

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_and_Behavioral_Sciences_Team

    Nudging sounds like a good idea. At least it would be if they stuck to things obviously intended to benefit the people, like sensible defaults for 401k allocations. Instead (wouldn’t want to hurt the margins of the FIRE industries) we get nudges as propaganda.

  95. @ic1000
    On reflection, the paper Sunstein discusses doesn't seem to be honest. But thanks to paywalling (the abstract is here), it's hard to partition fault between Sunstein and its authors.

    Bursztyn, Egorov, and Fiorin (BEF) write, "In the main experiment, we identify the causal effect of Donald Trump's rise in political popularity on individuals' willingness to publicly express xenophobic views. Participants in the experiment are offered a bonus reward if they authorize researchers to make a donation to an anti-immigration organization on their behalf."

    BEF chose FAIR to represent xenophobic views. Sunstein characterizes FAIR by a 24-year-old quote.* How did BEF describe the organization? FAIR's actual, current "About" statement (excerpted above) must sit comfortably within the Overton Window. As experienced by most of the survey's target audience, Red State people-on-the-street. We can stipulate that it's horrifyingly un-woke from the perspective of Sunstein, Bursztyn (U. Chicago), Egorov (Northwestern) and Fiorin (UCLA). That's not quite the same thing.

    Xenophobic. You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Which of BEF's 458 flyover-country subjects had prior, accurate knowledge of FAIR? How did their responses contaminate BEF's findings?

    - - - - -
    * Just wondering: can I get my research published at NBER, if it calls the ACLU a Communist front and labels Planned Parenthood as a eugenics advocacy group?

    Paper is at Libgen. Search for DOI 10.3386/w23415

  96. @for-the-record

    If you ask me though, people 100 years from now will look back on the current era’s monomaniacal obsession with race and the accompanying censorship as a lot more ridiculous.
     
    On what planet will these "people" live?

    The fundamental difference with Communist thought control was that once it ended you could go back to more or less were you were when you started. Poland is still Poland, Bulgaria is still Bulgaria. The US and Europe (at least Western Europe) will never be able to do this.

    Oh, I don’t know.
    It just won’t be very pretty.

  97. @Abe
    Sunstein looks like a real schlub- a rolly-polly pear body in the same gelatinous mold as Francoise Hollande. I only mention this because I seriously doubt he has any real-world business leadership experience under his belt let alone, God forbid, military service, yet seems to feel himself perfectly qualified in offering sweeping dismissals of age old American civil traditions.

    His wife is even worse. Again, with no adult experience to speak of outside the college-government-think tank nexus, she somehow leveraged her tragedy tourist book on the Rwandan genocide into a top White House foreign policy role, eventually becoming Obama's UN ambassador. And this from a woman who would probably suffer a nervous breakdown if asked to manage a non-gifted 5th grade homeroom.

    One of the consensus "lessons" learned as a result of 9/11 (a false one, but definitely one of the less stupid ones) is that "failed states" like Afghanistan are a direct threat to American security. And yet what does she do but create a failed state every bit as bad as the one responsible for hatching 9/11, just this time on the door step of Europe? Libya is a black hole of chaos, suffering, and despair. And by black hole I mean it- the situation is so hideous that no information is getting out reach us until it's too late. The Manchester bomber received his training there, and I bet he is just the start of a long series of awful surprises heading our way thanks to Mrs. Sunstein's ham-handed "humanitarian" adventurism.

    “non-gifted”?
    The gifted ten year olds woud have even more success toying with her.

  98. @Opinionator
    But their morals have been destroyed by collectivization, as have the morals of every class, especially the government workers.

    Could you explain the mechanism by which morals were destroyed?

    In my non-expert view, the problems came when the peasants were expropriated by the State and their property ended up in common farms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_Romania

    This led to demoralization and an erosion of the incentive to work, since hard workers would not be better compensated than bad workers, and the bad work ethic drove out the good work ethic. This system was also found in the rest of the economy, leading to the immortal line “we pretend to work, they pretend to pay us”. For the peasants, I think it was worse, because social hierarchies were tied up in the land. Agricultural reform that broke up the estates of huge noble landowners and the Church was only done gradually and achieved during the early interwar period. So the development of the mass peasant class and the attendant virtues did not have too much time to take place before it regressed. Later, with the disappearance of the agricultural production cooperatives, many peasants found themselves back to the drawing board with regard to scientific methods of agriculture, mechanization etc, but neither did they have the flair of traditional farming that led to eco-tourism in the West. They became subsistence farmers, with many persistent social pathologies like drinking to excess. Others sold the land or leased it to the corporations. As a result, there is little romance involved in farming today, and few young people would consider it as a lifestyle or career, unlike that article about Italy. The suspicion that remained from collectivization also impedes the new agricultural associations of small farmers, despite government efforts to promote and subsidize it. There are a few success stories but, by and large, it’s either the subsistence farmer or the corporation, with the trend being for the inheritors of farmland to either sell it or lease it to companies.

    Did I answer you?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Thanks
  99. @Bill B.
    I haven't read Kuran's book on "Preference Falsification" but it would almost seem a commonplace for people to say one thing and think another. That is how we survive in society etc..

    But this - at least as the article would want it - seems in its high form to be a Western phenomenon. The idea that we are fully self-aware and also disemblers.

    What I have noticed living in Asia for a couple of decades - and having tried to find out for professional reasons what people really think - is that many, perhaps most, Asians are so comfortable with their inner weltanschauung that they feel no dissonance with their public self presentation.

    They are not, in other words, lying about their thoughts on, say, race and security that may to them seem almost too obvious to mention.

    Much of the current agony of the West result from this fantastic lack of awareness that political correctness is an enervating mist that floats only across the lands of Judeo-Christian culture. The rest of the world looks on in amazement. The old joke in Hong Kong was that white people were put on this earth to entertain the Chinese. Turns out to be true.

    I don’t understand. Are you saying that Asian people’s inner views are at odds with their public presentation? If so, what’s the difference with what this article describes?

    • Replies: @Bill B.

    I don’t understand. Are you saying that Asian people’s inner views are at odds with their public presentation? If so, what’s the difference with what this article describes?
     
    I was playing around with the idea that if Westerners hide their true feelings perhaps non-Westerners are not hiding anything because this is what-everybody-knows-to-be-true.

    For example, opinion polls in Asia often show strong support for globalization and foreign ideas. One poll showed the Vietnamese to be the most open to foreigners! Yet Asian governments have massive popular backing for firm borders and strict immigration controls.

    But there is no clash here because 'everybody knows' that it would be silly to, say, open up the borders. If these Asians are not expressing their inner beliefs it is because it is not necessary as those beliefs are largely implicit in public discourse in a way they are not in the West. Asian governments are never shocked about what their people really think.

    Thus there was a lot of excitement over the past couple of years about China starting to accommodate itself to the idea of becoming a mixed race nation with lots of Africans on the basis of a few black ghettoes in Guangdong etc.. In the West these stories might be predictive but in China they were wrong because they do not take into account that 'everybody knows' this would be a bad idea.

    I hope this makes sense.

  100. @Gary in Gramercy
    I attended the University of Chicago Law School in the 1980's, when Sunstein was a professor there (i.e., before he moved to Harvard, married Samantha Power, etc.). Smart guy, and ambitious to boot, he nonetheless embodies the properly-held view of such people that "only intellectuals could possibly believe such stupid ideas." Free speech for me, but not for thee, etc., etc.

    Glenn Beck used to talk about Cass Sunstein a lot back when he had his show on CNN with his rotatable blackboard… you remember… back before he was insane.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Achmed E. Newman:

    When was Glenn Beck not ever insane?
  101. @Opinionator
    Is it possible that Western nations and the Muslim nation have a common enemy or oppressor?

    Is an opportunity being missed for solidarity against globalism? Should we not be able to reach a shared understanding that both of our respective cultures are under attack?

    We may share a common enemy, but we do not share much else.

  102. @Opinionator
    To what extent is social trust propensity genetically determined, versus environmental.

    It’s probably like height. It can be stunted by a sufficiently bad environment, but its maximum is mostly genetically determined. Communism disrupted it, and rebuilding social trust after a serious disruption probably takes several generations, maybe several centuries.

  103. @Achmed E. Newman
    Glenn Beck used to talk about Cass Sunstein a lot back when he had his show on CNN with his rotatable blackboard... you remember... back before he was insane.

    Achmed E. Newman:

    When was Glenn Beck not ever insane?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    When he was talking about the whole "nudging" thing that Piltdown Man was mentioning. This was back in '09, not in '15, per PM's articles' dates.

    I dunno, maybe he was insane then and I was insane to watch the show, but I know I got better.
  104. “Liberals Against Liberation” sounds like a pretty cool name for a punk rock band.

  105. @Laugh Track
    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about this study leads me to think it was a foregone conclusion in search of evidence. But, perhaps that is merely the scientific method: propose a hypothesis, then come up with an experiment to test it.

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Perfecto!

    I wonder if Dr. Kuran was in the Group of 88?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that Timur Kuran is a pretty good guy.
    , @kaganovitch
    nope. see

    https://web.archive.org/web/20060418142749/http://www.duke.edu:80/web/africanameric/supporters.pdf
  106. @dr kill
    I wonder if Dr. Kuran was in the Group of 88?

    My impression is that Timur Kuran is a pretty good guy.

  107. @Dumbo
    What about another "scientific experiment" to try to find out why people with surnames ending in STEIN tend to be cultural agitators or just simple pains in the ass!

    Stein means stone.

    Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words written by (some) Steins (and other like-minded agitators) can rend asunder Western civilization.

    Stein’s shtick is shtupping the goyim where the sun don’t shine. (That being said, we goyim are pretty damn adept at shtupping ourselves. Goyim easily can be persuaded to slice our own wrists with Schicks.)

  108. @Romanian
    In my non-expert view, the problems came when the peasants were expropriated by the State and their property ended up in common farms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_Romania

    This led to demoralization and an erosion of the incentive to work, since hard workers would not be better compensated than bad workers, and the bad work ethic drove out the good work ethic. This system was also found in the rest of the economy, leading to the immortal line "we pretend to work, they pretend to pay us". For the peasants, I think it was worse, because social hierarchies were tied up in the land. Agricultural reform that broke up the estates of huge noble landowners and the Church was only done gradually and achieved during the early interwar period. So the development of the mass peasant class and the attendant virtues did not have too much time to take place before it regressed. Later, with the disappearance of the agricultural production cooperatives, many peasants found themselves back to the drawing board with regard to scientific methods of agriculture, mechanization etc, but neither did they have the flair of traditional farming that led to eco-tourism in the West. They became subsistence farmers, with many persistent social pathologies like drinking to excess. Others sold the land or leased it to the corporations. As a result, there is little romance involved in farming today, and few young people would consider it as a lifestyle or career, unlike that article about Italy. The suspicion that remained from collectivization also impedes the new agricultural associations of small farmers, despite government efforts to promote and subsidize it. There are a few success stories but, by and large, it's either the subsistence farmer or the corporation, with the trend being for the inheritors of farmland to either sell it or lease it to companies.

    Did I answer you?

    Thanks

  109. @BB753
    For some reason, Western History's greatest reactionaries were Frenchmen, like Péguy, Huysmans, Baudelaire (no, I'm not making this up, just read his prose writings!), Céline, Raspail or French speakers like Joseph de Maistre. Maybe because France was the first country to be hit badly by the Enlightenment, in the form of a bloody revolution, la Terreur, then Napoleon, never to recover again except for the brief interlude called "Restauration".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_Restoration

    Houellebecq’s main character in Submission, a stand-in for himself, I think, is an expert on Huysmans.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    Does your countryman Emil Cioran qualify as reactionary or a nihilist? I've read quite a bit of his essays and aphorisms but can't quite reach a conclusion. He did write in French and lived most of his life in Paris. A female friend of mine once met Cioran on the street (in the Quartier Latin where he rented a tiny flat) and had a friendly chat with him in the early 90's. She was able to recognize the old man outright because so many of us in her circle were avid Cioran fans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Eliade

    At one point I also read quite a few of Mircea Eliade's works, in translation of course, and was struck by the same ambiguity towards modern culture. Perhaps Eliade's attachment to India (though he was all too aware of its evils, see his novel "Maitreyi" for an example of this) stemmed from a reactionary feeling. In any case, his involvement with the Fascist Iron Guard is notorious, though maybe overstated. Who is this Nae Ionescu fellow, anyway, who influenced both writers?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Eliade

    , @BB753
    I almost cited Houellebeck in my listing of reactionaries, but he doesn't quite qualify as reactionary in my view. Yes, he does hate post-Enlightenment societies but he lacks the necessary longing for the past. He's a resilient nihilist, that's all.
    As for Huysmans, he made quite a spiritual journey, described in his semi-biographical works, from late 19th Century Decadentism in "A rebours" ( Against the Grain), to dabbling with Satanism in "La-bas" "Down there", and to conversion to Catholicism in "En route" (On the Road) and finally his retreat in Chartres and taking vows to become an oblate in a monastery, as narrated in "La Cathédrale" (The Cathedral).
  110. @Dan Hayes
    Achmed E. Newman:

    When was Glenn Beck not ever insane?

    When he was talking about the whole “nudging” thing that Piltdown Man was mentioning. This was back in ’09, not in ’15, per PM’s articles’ dates.

    I dunno, maybe he was insane then and I was insane to watch the show, but I know I got better.

  111. Reiner Tor and Romanian,
    Thank you for sharing insights about your respective countries. Those help me understand more about a part of the world that I’d like to visit. Best wishes.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    You are welcome. I'm happy to share what little I can with a place where I've learned very much.
    , @BB753
    I second that.
  112. @Jim Given
    The central lesson of my life, consistently taught to me by the Mainstream media themselves is this: The Government always lies to us. From the JFK assassination to the Vietnam War to weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the population of the US has been told just enough to reinforce that central truth.

    The Ruling Class already spends a lot of time and effort policing discourse; marginalizing, but not banning, forbidden lines of discussion. Of course, forbidden lines of discussion are allowed small scale on the Internet, but are completely off-limits to persons of authority within any large institution. Trump tests these limits in interesting ways-

    People now know this. They consistently tell pollsters that the don't believe politicians; don't believe US Government officials tell the truth; and don't trust the Mainstream media.

    "Remember that the Chicago Police Force does not exist to create chaos. It exists to preserve chaos!" Just so-

    When this Soft Police State; this large-scale suppression of discussion no longer suffices, it will be a sign of serious social breakdown. This threat is always in the margins, from Equal Time Laws to Hate Speech Laws. But for now: Is this elaborate set of restrictions on speech not positively Victorian?
    a sign of major social breakdown.

    just curious, what was the lie about the Vietnam War?

  113. @Ivy
    Reiner Tor and Romanian,
    Thank you for sharing insights about your respective countries. Those help me understand more about a part of the world that I'd like to visit. Best wishes.

    You are welcome. I’m happy to share what little I can with a place where I’ve learned very much.

  114. @Romanian
    Houellebecq's main character in Submission, a stand-in for himself, I think, is an expert on Huysmans.

    Does your countryman Emil Cioran qualify as reactionary or a nihilist? I’ve read quite a bit of his essays and aphorisms but can’t quite reach a conclusion. He did write in French and lived most of his life in Paris. A female friend of mine once met Cioran on the street (in the Quartier Latin where he rented a tiny flat) and had a friendly chat with him in the early 90’s. She was able to recognize the old man outright because so many of us in her circle were avid Cioran fans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Eliade

    At one point I also read quite a few of Mircea Eliade’s works, in translation of course, and was struck by the same ambiguity towards modern culture. Perhaps Eliade’s attachment to India (though he was all too aware of its evils, see his novel “Maitreyi” for an example of this) stemmed from a reactionary feeling. In any case, his involvement with the Fascist Iron Guard is notorious, though maybe overstated. Who is this Nae Ionescu fellow, anyway, who influenced both writers?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Eliade

  115. @Romanian
    Houellebecq's main character in Submission, a stand-in for himself, I think, is an expert on Huysmans.

    I almost cited Houellebeck in my listing of reactionaries, but he doesn’t quite qualify as reactionary in my view. Yes, he does hate post-Enlightenment societies but he lacks the necessary longing for the past. He’s a resilient nihilist, that’s all.
    As for Huysmans, he made quite a spiritual journey, described in his semi-biographical works, from late 19th Century Decadentism in “A rebours” ( Against the Grain), to dabbling with Satanism in “La-bas” “Down there”, and to conversion to Catholicism in “En route” (On the Road) and finally his retreat in Chartres and taking vows to become an oblate in a monastery, as narrated in “La Cathédrale” (The Cathedral).

  116. @Ivy
    Reiner Tor and Romanian,
    Thank you for sharing insights about your respective countries. Those help me understand more about a part of the world that I'd like to visit. Best wishes.

    I second that.

  117. @Jim Given
    The central lesson of my life, consistently taught to me by the Mainstream media themselves is this: The Government always lies to us. From the JFK assassination to the Vietnam War to weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the population of the US has been told just enough to reinforce that central truth.

    The Ruling Class already spends a lot of time and effort policing discourse; marginalizing, but not banning, forbidden lines of discussion. Of course, forbidden lines of discussion are allowed small scale on the Internet, but are completely off-limits to persons of authority within any large institution. Trump tests these limits in interesting ways-

    People now know this. They consistently tell pollsters that the don't believe politicians; don't believe US Government officials tell the truth; and don't trust the Mainstream media.

    "Remember that the Chicago Police Force does not exist to create chaos. It exists to preserve chaos!" Just so-

    When this Soft Police State; this large-scale suppression of discussion no longer suffices, it will be a sign of serious social breakdown. This threat is always in the margins, from Equal Time Laws to Hate Speech Laws. But for now: Is this elaborate set of restrictions on speech not positively Victorian?
    a sign of major social breakdown.

    The Victorians allowed great freedom of thought and speech regarding all important topics, including politics, religion, science, and history. On the other hand, they had the good sense to outlaw pornography.

    In other words, they were the exact opposite of the current elite.

    The reason is obvious. Unlike Cass Sunstein and those of his ilk, the Victorian elite cared about the well-being of the people entrusted to their care.

  118. @grapesoda

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters
     
    Wow, the people who write for the NY Times are really f***ing stupid. Of course, they could just be flat out evil, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and just say that they are really, really stupid.

    Padgett did indeed throw the hammer more than 60 meters

    http://www.all-athletics.com/node/94259

    But in NCAA women's competition, which is governed by the USATF, the hammer weighs only 4 kg, or about 8.8 pounds (as noted by commenter above).

    http://www.usatfmasters.org/ev_throws_specs.htm

    How the f*** does Dave Philipps even have a job, doing ANYTHING?

    If her accomplishment of throwing the hammer 60m is so great, why does the weight of the hammer have to be exaggerated by more than 200%? Shouldn't it be enough just to present it as is? Throwing a football 60 yards is possible only by elite quarterbacks, but SuperWoman here is apparently throwing a 20 pound f***ing hammer 60 meters. We're talking John Henry territory here. In the next article the hammer will have weighed 50 pounds, and she'll have thrown it 100 meters.

    You know what, I changed my mind. They're not that stupid. These people are just trash, who have no regard for truth, who lie about the smallest things out of habit, and have no qualification to have authority over anything.

    The hammer is fine

  119. Leonardo Bursztyn of the University of Chicago

    Didn’t he compose South Side Story?

  120. The problem with Sunstein is not that he’s Jewish — explain just how filling up all White countries with great masses of Muslims makes things good for Jew — how many Jews run things in Egypt, and how will filling up this nation with Egyptians make things any different?

    Nope, its that he’s a HARVARD PROFESSOR. Its a class war, with racial overtones of a new and uncertain hereditary overclass, amped up by Oligarch money and Non-White racial worship out of the Cold War desire to pander to Third World elites in competition with the Soviets.

    Add in female sexual liberation via the pill and condom, and you have a perfect storm in the Upper Class, which HATES HATES HATES lower class Whites. What Sunstein writes could just as well come from Warren Buffet, or Bill Gates and his harridan wife, or John McCain for that matter.

    It is fundamentally an inter-White war, with hereditary rule at stake.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The problem with Sunstein is not that he’s Jewish
     
    But perhaps its some of the explanation.

    .....explain just how filling up all White countries with great masses of Muslims makes things good for Jew
     
    This has been explained at length any number of places. Listen to someone else for a change, instead of just yacking, and you might learn something.

    Still no commentary on the peoples of caledonia after - how long now, twelve years? For a true Scotsman you seem to be oddly other-directed.
    , @John Gruskos
    The problem isn't Yankees, Harvard, or the upper class.

    When the right sort of people are setting the tone, the northeastern social and intellectual elite greatly benefits the American nation.

    The Immigration Restriction League was founded in 1894 by three upper class Harvard alumni. Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, another Harvard alumnus, was the Jeff Sessions of his time. Harvard President Abbott Lawrence Lowell served as honorary vice-president of the Immigration Restriction League.

    Unfortunately, the Lowells and Lodges took action 40 years too late, and their descendants lacked the grit to stay the course. As a direct result, we are now ruled by specimens such as Sunstein.

    But make no mistake, the only real sin of the current Yankee elite is their broken-spirited subservience to their moral inferiors.
  121. Whiskey:

    “…harridan wife…” is a perfect description of his partner-in-crime Samantha Power.

    And it especially and personally hurts me that she is Irish.

  122. @Whiskey
    The problem with Sunstein is not that he's Jewish -- explain just how filling up all White countries with great masses of Muslims makes things good for Jew -- how many Jews run things in Egypt, and how will filling up this nation with Egyptians make things any different?

    Nope, its that he's a HARVARD PROFESSOR. Its a class war, with racial overtones of a new and uncertain hereditary overclass, amped up by Oligarch money and Non-White racial worship out of the Cold War desire to pander to Third World elites in competition with the Soviets.

    Add in female sexual liberation via the pill and condom, and you have a perfect storm in the Upper Class, which HATES HATES HATES lower class Whites. What Sunstein writes could just as well come from Warren Buffet, or Bill Gates and his harridan wife, or John McCain for that matter.

    It is fundamentally an inter-White war, with hereditary rule at stake.

    The problem with Sunstein is not that he’s Jewish

    But perhaps its some of the explanation.

    …..explain just how filling up all White countries with great masses of Muslims makes things good for Jew

    This has been explained at length any number of places. Listen to someone else for a change, instead of just yacking, and you might learn something.

    Still no commentary on the peoples of caledonia after – how long now, twelve years? For a true Scotsman you seem to be oddly other-directed.

  123. @Opinionator
    I don't understand. Are you saying that Asian people's inner views are at odds with their public presentation? If so, what's the difference with what this article describes?

    I don’t understand. Are you saying that Asian people’s inner views are at odds with their public presentation? If so, what’s the difference with what this article describes?

    I was playing around with the idea that if Westerners hide their true feelings perhaps non-Westerners are not hiding anything because this is what-everybody-knows-to-be-true.

    For example, opinion polls in Asia often show strong support for globalization and foreign ideas. One poll showed the Vietnamese to be the most open to foreigners! Yet Asian governments have massive popular backing for firm borders and strict immigration controls.

    But there is no clash here because ‘everybody knows’ that it would be silly to, say, open up the borders. If these Asians are not expressing their inner beliefs it is because it is not necessary as those beliefs are largely implicit in public discourse in a way they are not in the West. Asian governments are never shocked about what their people really think.

    Thus there was a lot of excitement over the past couple of years about China starting to accommodate itself to the idea of becoming a mixed race nation with lots of Africans on the basis of a few black ghettoes in Guangdong etc.. In the West these stories might be predictive but in China they were wrong because they do not take into account that ‘everybody knows’ this would be a bad idea.

    I hope this makes sense.

  124. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Sunnstein's "deep" insight is that people who share common goals and work together can accomplish much but what they accomplish may not always be desirable when considered from the viewpoint of others. I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that he was perfectly describing the up-to-now, successful war on freedom and the White, Christian middle-class of this country which he and his elite, prog comrades have been conducting over the last half century or so.

    I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that he was perfectly describing the up-to-now, successful war on freedom and the White, Christian middle-class of this country which he and his elite, prog comrades have been conducting over the last half century or so.

    The more one contemplates those comrades in the light of their arguments, the more one notices that psychological projection is their stock-in-trade.

  125. @Mr. Anon
    Cass Sunstein is a constitutional scholar - a constitutional scholar with the soul of a secret policeman.

    He is an expert on the Constitution in the same way that a butcher is an expert on cows.

    Do any “constitutional scholars” actually study the constitution? Do any respect Americans?

  126. @Laugh Track
    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about this study leads me to think it was a foregone conclusion in search of evidence. But, perhaps that is merely the scientific method: propose a hypothesis, then come up with an experiment to test it.

    I do like the name of the cited expert on this general topic: Timur Kuran.

    Perfecto!

    Timur Kuran is not only one of the least stereotypically Turkish looking guys I’ve seen, he is also one of the youngest looking 63-year-old guys I’ve seen.

  127. CK says:
    @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Women in the infantry:


    Over the years, countless voices have warned that women could never handle the demands of the infantry, and would destroy its all-male esprit de corps. None of the recruits or drill sergeants interviewed at Fort Benning shared that fear. They all pointed to women like Private Padgett.

    The 23-year-old track champion from North Carolina could throw a 20-pound hammer more than 60 meters while on the team at East Carolina University, and showed up at basic training in better shape than many of the men. She is now on her way to Airborne School, and wants to eventually become a Ranger.

    “She’s a hoss,” her drill sergeant, Joseph Sapp, said as he watched her. After a tour in Iraq and four in Afghanistan, he has served with his share of soldiers. “Forget male-female; she’s one of the best in the company. She’s one you’re happy to have.”
     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/for-army-infantrys-1st-women-heavy-packs-and-the-weight-of-history.html?_r=0

    Hammer thrower.....Steroids?

    In the Scottish games, there is also a hammer throw. That hammer is either 16# or 22# for men
    and either 12# or 16# for women. Unlike the Track and Field hammer which is basically a heavy ball on the end of a 4′ chain, the Scottish hammer is a large lump of metal on the end of a 4′ rod and could theoretically be used to hammer things.
    If you ever have the chance to attend a Scottish games and the party afterwards you really should.
    Scottish Hammer being thrown.

  128. @Whiskey
    The problem with Sunstein is not that he's Jewish -- explain just how filling up all White countries with great masses of Muslims makes things good for Jew -- how many Jews run things in Egypt, and how will filling up this nation with Egyptians make things any different?

    Nope, its that he's a HARVARD PROFESSOR. Its a class war, with racial overtones of a new and uncertain hereditary overclass, amped up by Oligarch money and Non-White racial worship out of the Cold War desire to pander to Third World elites in competition with the Soviets.

    Add in female sexual liberation via the pill and condom, and you have a perfect storm in the Upper Class, which HATES HATES HATES lower class Whites. What Sunstein writes could just as well come from Warren Buffet, or Bill Gates and his harridan wife, or John McCain for that matter.

    It is fundamentally an inter-White war, with hereditary rule at stake.

    The problem isn’t Yankees, Harvard, or the upper class.

    When the right sort of people are setting the tone, the northeastern social and intellectual elite greatly benefits the American nation.

    The Immigration Restriction League was founded in 1894 by three upper class Harvard alumni. Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, another Harvard alumnus, was the Jeff Sessions of his time. Harvard President Abbott Lawrence Lowell served as honorary vice-president of the Immigration Restriction League.

    Unfortunately, the Lowells and Lodges took action 40 years too late, and their descendants lacked the grit to stay the course. As a direct result, we are now ruled by specimens such as Sunstein.

    But make no mistake, the only real sin of the current Yankee elite is their broken-spirited subservience to their moral inferiors.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @lavoisier
    And lack of confidence in THEIR civilization, allowing subversives like Sunstein to grab the higher ground, a ground he has no business occupying.
    , @Ivy
    'Where the Cabots spoke only to Lowells, who spoke only to God.'
    How often do their heirs converse these days?
  129. In the U.S. and Europe, many people worry that if prominent politicians signal that they dislike and fear their own people they will unleash violent immigrants’s and certain minorities’ basest impulses and fuel violence.

    Fixed it for you Cass.

  130. Yama’s hand passed through an invisible slit in his robe and emerged with a dagger, which he raised in salute.

    “To beauty,” he said. “Down with ugliness!”

  131. @Maj. Kong
    From the liberal POV, seemingly random terrorist attacks are acceptable losses rather the presumed tens of millions of deaths that would happen if anti-immigration (literally Hitler) policies were enacted.

    Islamists have never pulled off a WMD attack resulting in Somme level death tolls, there are no shortage of people that will not reconsider their views until a major Black Swan happens.

    Islamists have never pulled off a WMD attack resulting in Somme level death tolls,

    You are spot-on here, based on experience from my (fortunately these days more limited) discussions with the Deacons of Diversitopia.

    I’d like to see “our side” develop a Hemoclysm Unit to push for quantification of such things.

    How many Bataclans equal one Orlando?

    How many 9/11s equal one 7/7?

    What fraction of a Hiroshima is one Rotherham?

    We already know that Dresden and Hamburg = 0…but why? (Don’t answer–I already know.)

    How is the left’s/Islamists’/globalists’ Collateral Damage different from what the left protested and the globalists pushed in the ’90s?

    http://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

    Sober moi has used this line of discussion at dinner parties after everyone else is buzzed…but it generally leads to them pulling out the PC ICBM/MOAB as soon as their little minds reach an uncomfortable juncture.

    Which is why HITLER HITLER has to be protected at all costs. It’s the bunker to which they can retreat when the discussion calls for harder thinking.

  132. @Wilkey
    And don’t the concert-goers of Bataclan and Manchester, white parents of daughters in Rotherham, gay discogoers of Orlando, and employees of Charlie Hebdo just know it!

    Well yeah sure, but some crazy white Jill Stein/Bernie Sanders supporter stabbed two white guys in Oregon, so it's pretty much even.

    Nuh-uh, he was a right wing alt right white supremacist! Who loved Trump!

    Jill Stein told me so in a tweet!

  133. @John Gruskos
    The problem isn't Yankees, Harvard, or the upper class.

    When the right sort of people are setting the tone, the northeastern social and intellectual elite greatly benefits the American nation.

    The Immigration Restriction League was founded in 1894 by three upper class Harvard alumni. Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, another Harvard alumnus, was the Jeff Sessions of his time. Harvard President Abbott Lawrence Lowell served as honorary vice-president of the Immigration Restriction League.

    Unfortunately, the Lowells and Lodges took action 40 years too late, and their descendants lacked the grit to stay the course. As a direct result, we are now ruled by specimens such as Sunstein.

    But make no mistake, the only real sin of the current Yankee elite is their broken-spirited subservience to their moral inferiors.

    And lack of confidence in THEIR civilization, allowing subversives like Sunstein to grab the higher ground, a ground he has no business occupying.

  134. Yes, Professor Sunstein, you are right, the purpose of political correctness is to make the masses afraid to say what they secretly think, thank you for stating it so clearly.

    This is the best failure of crimestop I can recall since Stanley Fish argued, with support from Milton’s God in Paradise Lost, that might makes right.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    What is the failure of crimestop here?
  135. @Weltanschauung
    Yes, Professor Sunstein, you are right, the purpose of political correctness is to make the masses afraid to say what they secretly think, thank you for stating it so clearly.

    This is the best failure of crimestop I can recall since Stanley Fish argued, with support from Milton's God in Paradise Lost, that might makes right.

    What is the failure of crimestop here?

    • Replies: @Weltanschauung
    From Orwell's 1984: Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies ...

    Most New York Times and NPR writers have enough of this faculty to refrain from comparing present-day political correctness to East Bloc Communism. And they stop well short of admitting that anti-immigration sentiments are held by many decent people.
  136. @Opinionator
    What is the failure of crimestop here?

    From Orwell’s 1984: Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies …

    Most New York Times and NPR writers have enough of this faculty to refrain from comparing present-day political correctness to East Bloc Communism. And they stop well short of admitting that anti-immigration sentiments are held by many decent people.

  137. @John Gruskos
    The problem isn't Yankees, Harvard, or the upper class.

    When the right sort of people are setting the tone, the northeastern social and intellectual elite greatly benefits the American nation.

    The Immigration Restriction League was founded in 1894 by three upper class Harvard alumni. Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, another Harvard alumnus, was the Jeff Sessions of his time. Harvard President Abbott Lawrence Lowell served as honorary vice-president of the Immigration Restriction League.

    Unfortunately, the Lowells and Lodges took action 40 years too late, and their descendants lacked the grit to stay the course. As a direct result, we are now ruled by specimens such as Sunstein.

    But make no mistake, the only real sin of the current Yankee elite is their broken-spirited subservience to their moral inferiors.

    ‘Where the Cabots spoke only to Lowells, who spoke only to God.’
    How often do their heirs converse these days?

  138. I think, from now on, myself and members of my tribe/community/subset would like to officially be referred to as Normal-Americans, and, yup, the caps and hyphen are part of the deal.

    After all, if we’re going to be earmarked for extinction by traitorous elites and the orcs they dote upon, we should at least be paid the courtesy of an official designation.

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