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From the NYT:

Lessons From #RaceTogether
APRIL 21, 2015
Joe Nocera

Howard Schultz has a way of making a believer out of you. …

In recent years, he has tried to use his voice — and Starbucks’ footprint, as he likes to call it — to help not just his employees but the country. …

All of which brings me, inevitably, to his latest initiative, on race relations. Last month, Schultz started something he called Starbucks’ Race Together campaign, suggesting that baristas write #RaceTogether on coffee cups, and see where that led. It backfired. “Honest to God, if you start to engage me in a race conversation before I’ve had my morning coffee, it will not end well,” tweeted Gwen Ifill, the co-anchor of “PBS NewsHour.” And that was one of the tamer tweets. Schultz was mocked for, essentially, being a middle-aged white guy who was tackling a subject that was beyond his ken — or that was inappropriate for a corporation.

But I think that, despite the mistakes with Race Together, Schultz’s actions over the past few years have earned him the benefit of the doubt. He is the rare chief executive who is willing to stand for more than quarterly profits, and isn’t that what we want from our corporate chieftains? And whatever mistakes Starbucks made in rolling out its campaign on race, it will learn from them.

So will Schultz, who says he has no intention of turning back. So far, he has held 10 forums for employees to speak their mind on race relations; I watched a tape of a recent one in Atlanta. It was raw, visceral and, at times, deeply moving. …

“I view this effort as being quintessentially Howard,” said Mellody Hobson, the president of Ariel Investments, who sits on the Starbucks board. When I brought up the criticism of Schultz, Hobson, who is African-American, replied, “If he wakes up one day and decides he wants to help improve race relations, what’s wrong with that? He could be doing something else. Or nothing.”

Sounds like Hobson’s become a believer, too.

By the way, it’s not mentioned in the op-ed column (because it’s interesting, and we can have interesting facts distracting from The Narrative), but Mellody Hobson is also Mrs. George Lucas. Hobson is on the short list of black women to marry into billions: Sherry Brewer, a black actress, married Edgar Bronfman Jr. in 1979, although Bronfman Sr. never was happy about the marriage.

What I was wondering was how Howard Schultz would respond if he walked into a Starbucks to get his first cup of coffee in the morning and the black barista, not recognizing him as his CEO, started the following conversation about race:

“My boss told us to write #RaceTogether on your cup and to start a conversation about race. You’re Jewish, right? How much do you know about the long history of Jews exploiting blacks economically? You should read up on the Jewish role in the slave trade, the sugar plantations of Brazil, Lehman Brothers starting in Alabama, Judah P. Benjamin in the Confederacy, Disraeli glamorizing imperialism, and Jewish capitalists in South African mining. And don’t get me started on the American pop music business! Have you ever thought about how Jewish privilege contributes to Jews making up a third of the Forbes 400?”

How fast would that poor black guy get fired for not understanding all the, shall we say, nuances in the concept of “privilege?”

 
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  1. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    What I was wondering was how Howard Schultz would respond if he walked into a Starbucks to get his first cup of coffee in the morning and the black barista, not recognizing him as his CEO, started the following conversation about race:

    Whoa, whoa, buddy, take it easy. I just work here!

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  2. “How fast would that poor black guy get fired for not understanding all the, shall we say, nuances in the concept of “privilege?” ”

    And that’s when that barista better hope he knows somebody in high places, like Ms. Hobson so that he could then say, “And by the way, Ms. Mellody told me to ask you that!”

    “Oh, yes, Melody! Ha ha ha, that Mellody, boy is she quite the kidder!” would be the response after a few seconds of confused looks or staring daggers the employee in return.

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  3. unit472 says:

    Its hard to imagine a conversation on ‘race’ between two people of different races not dissolving into acrimony even if well intentioned. As with politics, even people who agree on broad issues will find specific areas of disagreement. Happens all the time even here in the comfortable confines of Mr. Sailer’s blog.

    With blacks there is very little common ground. For a black person ‘race’ is the foundation of their identity and, because of their peculiar inability to compete economically and intellectually against all other races, this makes any discussion about race a no go area right away. What is to discuss? Their crime rate? Their inability to compete at the highest levels of human civilization? We are left with nothing to discuss seriously because a black person’s race is both immutable and the source of the ‘problem’. The best we can hope for is to let them know we wish them well and bear no animosity towards them personally!

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    It's both simpler and more complex...

    Its hard to imagine a conversation on ‘race’ between two people of different races not dissolving into acrimony even if well intentioned.
     
    It's hard to imagine a conversation on race between two complete strangers not dissolving into acrimony even if well intended.

    That's the dynamic.

    Howard Schultz's effort is so wide of the target it misses the side of the barn. Two strangers will talk about the weather, and little more. Intimate friends will talk about anything they choose. The barista is not an intimate friend, but rather a stranger--hired help paid to be courteous and friendly, but a stranger none the less. That Schultz is in a retail business, yet seemingly unaware of this dynamic is a bit bizarre.
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  4. iSteveFan says:

    How much do you know about the long history of Jews exploiting blacks economically: in the slave trade, the sugar plantations of Brazil,…

    Steve, you’ve mentioned before the involvement of Jews in the slave trade of Brazil. Can you elaborate a bit?

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    "Steve, you’ve mentioned before the involvement of Jews in the slave trade of Brazil. Can you elaborate a bit?"

    The first Jewish families arrived in Recife in 1635, when Pernambuco was under Dutch rule, had fewer than 10,000 inhabitants and was the richest Brazilian captaincy. Pursued by the Catholic Inquisition in the Iberian Peninsula, they came attracted by the religious freedom that the Dutch began to settle on land taken from Portugal.

    In Recife, the Jews entered the branch of the trade that would soon dominate: during the rule of Count Maurice of Nassau, for example, they controlled 40% of sugar exports sugar from Pernambuco to the Netherlands and Germany.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pernambuco#Jews_in_Pernambuco

    The history of the Jews in Brazil is a rather long and complex one, as it stretches from the very beginning of the European settlement in the new continent. Jews started settling in Brazil ever since the Inquisition reached Portugal in the 16th century. They arrived in Brazil during the period of Dutch rule, setting up in Recife the first synagogue in the Americas as early as 1636. Most of those Jews were Sephardic Jews who had fled the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal to the religious freedom of the Netherlands. Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil's sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal during the inquisition.[3]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Brazil

    When the Inquisition in Portugal took hold in 1497, Jews fled to places throughout the world, including Brazil. They arrived in Brazil primarily as New Christians or Conversos (Jews converted to Christianity), but many secretly practiced Judaism and began a colonization drive to settle on the land. Despite continued persecution by the Brazilian Inquisition, the New Christians successfully established sugar plantations and mills. By 1624, approximately 50,000 Europeans lived in Brazil, with New Christians making up a significant percentage. They were businessmen, importers, exporters, teachers, writers poets, even priests. In that same year, Dutch forces arrived in Brazil, taking over portions of northeast Brazil. Dutch tolerance allowed for Jewish migration and the open practice of religion. In 1636, Jews built the Kahal Zur synagogue in the Dutch capital of Recife.

    In Dutch Brazil, Jews flourished in the sugar industry, tax farming and slave trade. Jews often purchased slaves and resold them at great profit.
     
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Brazil.html

    Flanked by bustling cafes in downtown Recife on Brazil's northeastern coast is a little-known treasure of Jewish history in the New World - the oldest synagogue in the Americas.

    Sephardic Jews built the two-story Kahal Zur Israel Synagogue before 1641 - most likely in 1636 - when they enjoyed religious freedom under the Dutch, who ruled part of the northeast region from 1630 to 1654 to control sugar production.[....]




    Their studies are gradually unveiling the prominent role Jews had in early Brazilian society.

    "It challenges the stereotypical view that Brazilian culture is based on a tripod of Portuguese, [native] Indians and Africans," said Tania Kaufman, head of the Jewish Historical Archive in Recife, the capital of Pernambuco state.

    "We now know Jews were a fundamental part of Brazil's cultural melting pot."

    Historical records in Brazil and Amsterdam show Jews helped build the sugar industry, roads, bridges, and a basic sewage system in the northeast. Many also made money by trading slaves.

    At its height in 1645, the Jewish community in Recife counted 1,630 members, the same number as in the thriving Jewish community of Amsterdam, according to Dutch historian Franz Leonard Schalkwijk.

    "The economic dominance of the Jews prompted various protests [from Catholics and Protestants]," wrote Schalkwijk in his book "Church and State in Dutch Brazil."

     

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/synagogue-in-brazilian-town-recife-considered-oldest-in-the-americas-1.233058

    Jews played an important role here on Barbados, he explained -- and perhaps one far greater than is widely acknowledged. When the Jews first arrived in the 1640s, they were experts in sugar production. Back then, the business of Barbados was sugar, and its fermented byproduct, rum. Which in turn lubricates tourism, the business of Barbados today [.....]

    Meanwhile, Spain had laid claim to the entire New World, including the Caribbean, which the other world powers contested. Holland, and later England, pragmatically allowed "New Christians" (who had wealth, international trade connections and a hatred of Spain) to settle in the colonies they wrested from the Spanish. In Dutch Brazil, the now openly-practicing Jews entered the sugar trade in a big way, and a few even ventured to British-controlled Barbados, whose climate was also suited to sugar. Many more arrived after the Portuguese recaptured Brazil in 1654 -- immediately expelling the Jews.

    They called Barbados the land of Coconut Milk and Sugar Cane, and they planned to stay. They built a Synagogue, and a mikvah -- the latter only discovered last year in the Synagogue's parking lot by University of West Indies archaeologist Michael Stoner. (See the mikvah here.) By the mid 1700s, the Jewish community numbered as many as 800. A small number, to be sure, on an island whose population was about 80,000, but the history of the Jewish people is one of outsized influence. Could Barbados be yet another example?[....]


    Hmmm. I thought back to the Nidhe Israel Museum, with its wall-sized timeline of Jewish life from 1600-2000. For 1644 and 1654: "Jews are sugar experts for British settlers." What was that about?

    This, it seems, stretches back to when the Sephardim were running their sugar plantations in Brazil. Barbados' most elite planters watched what the Jewish planters were successfully doing in Brazil, and borrowed their technology. For instance, James Drax, an elite Barbadian planter who worked more than 700 acres in Barbados, visited the Sephardic colony in Brazil in 1640, and brought back with him two key innovations: a triple-roller sugar mill for crushing the sugar cane, and copper cauldrons for boiling the cane juice to get crystals, writes Ian Williams in his book Rum. (Nation Books, 2005). Williams credits the Jews for transferring that technology to Barbados, which they likely did as investors in sugar plantations they did not own. Watson's ledgers show both investments in sugar plantations and certainly, handling the trade in sugar after it was harvested.

     

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alison-stein-wellner/jewish-barbados-tracking_b_174758.html
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  5. Orthodox says:

    “White privilege” is crypto-anti semitism. In discussing “white privilege” and related topics, I’ve heard whites ask, “Are we the Jews now?”

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  6. I wonder sometimes if maybe the NYT is maybe some of the most subtle click bait trolls in the internet. I mean the whole Race Together thing was really sort of a disaster and unleashed a lot of potential “Talking Truth to Power” that maybe the “power” really didn’t want to hear after all. And as race has been discussed more and more, I don’t think “power” is really liking what a good number of people are saying. But the NYT posts these stories and then “click”.

    Here’s another piece making rounds that ought to do that for the also: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?_r=1&abt=0002&abg=0

    And I can just imagine the talk that this piece will unleash about accounting for those “missing men”. And I am amazed that the author of the piece, “JUSTIN WOLFERS, DAVID LEONHARDT and KEVIN QUEALY” (pasted in from the NYT piece which explains the caps) are so naive as to think about the “talking” this piece might unleash. It is another example of another liberal writeup using data about low income, crime, home ownership, education attainment or lack of it, where the answer is right in front their faces, but they just can’t connect the dots in the way that is sort of an Occam’s Razor obvious sort of thing.

    They say it but they don’t say it. “Black men are statistically more likely to be incarcerated” and this big one here: “Homicide, the leading cause of death for young African-American men, plays a large role, and they also die from heart disease, respiratory disease and accidents more often than other demographic groups, including black women.”

    Of course the idea that impulsive choices, breaking the law far more than other ethnics groups, lack of physical activity and unhealthy lifestyles, smoking Kools, Newports, crack, blunts, drinking malt liquor, and shooting each other, just might be the result of being stupid. But that never is said as if the obvious connection never occurs to “JUSTIN WOLFERS, DAVID LEONHARDT and KEVIN QUEALY” , our NYT data experts because, of course, White People.

    Then there is this list, which has a special significance that eludes the authors:

    Places with the lowest rates (of black men as a percentage of black population)

    PLACE PCT. BLACK MEN
    Ferguson, Mo. 37.5%
    Shaker Heights, Ohio 38.1%
    Highland Springs, Va. 38.3%
    Westmont, Calif. 38.3%
    Farmington Hills, Mich. 39.0%
    Union City, Ga. 39.1%
    Euclid, Ohio 39.3%
    Oak Park, Mich. 39.3%
    East Chicago, Ind. 39.4%
    Garfield Heights, Ohio 39.6%

    But the significance is obvious to an iSteve reader, no? Section 8 suburbs, where the vouchers are given to women?

    And then if you check the link to the methodology used by the authors, it lists census data. And that contains a conclusion obvious to the iSteve reader, that black men typically could give a crap about a census or are in a situation where it is better than they not be found by probation officers or their baby mama. So then maybe being with a section 8 baby mama other than your baby mama who acts as your front might be the thing to do. So imagine when some census taker knocks at the door of one of those houses…. Or doesn’t because it is one of those houses. Or when the data analyst in a meeting suggests a correction factor to be assumed in processing the stats, which surely are estimated or implied using some statistical trick to compensate for the fact that the black residents of Ferguson or East Chicago aren’t going to sharpen some pencils and sit down with the census packet to complete it and mail it in a timely manner. And then the data guy suggests a Thug Correction factor? And his manager says “Oh good idea”. Yeah that data is real accurate I am sure.

    But hey, let’s talk about Race. I wanna.

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    I pointed this out to the author via Twitter but he neglected to respond. He probably didn't want to step in that minefield.
    , @Forbes

    “Black men are statistically more likely to be incarcerated”
     
    Yes, yes, just that random "statistically more likely" mumbo jumbo. Can't really be explained.

    If it were stated that 1.5 million black men were in prison for committing crimes--well, they would be missing any more. And then, what would be the point of the article, as the missing is no longer a mystery?
    , @Dain
    "black men typically could give a crap about a census…"

    I actually worked the census back in 2010, in a not-so-great and heavily black neighborhood of Sacramento. The above is absolutely true (though I don't endorse the "baby mama" stuff…), and at one point I was aggressively told off and called a "white muthafucka" etc. Tense moment in an utterly terrible job that serves as a reminder to increase your skill level and/or go to a great university, lest you wander around under a harsh sun trying to speak with people that'd prefer you go to hell.

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  7. Rifleman says:

    You’re Jewish, right? How much do you know about the long history of Jews exploiting blacks economically

    Howie has also claimed that anyone who opposes Israeli settlements in the occupied territories is anti-semitic!

    There’s video of that. I remember that interview and always wondered why so many self styled “progressives” didn’t boycott Starbucks or place it on their list of Evil Capitalist Racist Entities.

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  8. OhComeOn says:

    Bronfman had 4 more children with the next wife…overcompensating for a sin much? LOL!

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  9. OhComeOn says:

    But a black guy working at Starbucks isn’t smart enough to mention all those things to begin with, so the point is mute.

    Kanye West though, he would say it :) But that’s why Kanye’s cool

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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If everything Mr. Nocera says is true, Howard Schultz is a rare American hero in these days when most of the country’s richest citizens are obscenely greedy for more and more of the nation’s wealth and power.

    I wish he’d get into politics at the national level and perhaps run for the Senate from Washington state. Heaven knows we badly need more voices of compassion and vision in Washington, D.C.

    Contrast Schultz with Paul Ryan. Schultz wants to make the world better while Ryan and the GOP want to make the world better for the richest people in the US.

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    He's no hero, he's just posturing and gaming a bunch of stupid white social justice warrior types and the bi-coastal elites for street creds.

    In the end though it's just Orwellian bullying by him against his workers. Really forcing a bunch of kids to talk about a subject that can lead to violence or verbal abuse is just sick.

    Cheap theatrics with a dose of thuggery behind the scenes for those that don't comply.

    , @Zach
    Residents of Washington state would never vote for the guy who sent Seattle's basketball team packing. Schultz is a huge phony, a PC bloviator. As Gary Payton said, "he just talks."
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  11. rod1963 says:
    @Anonymous
    If everything Mr. Nocera says is true, Howard Schultz is a rare American hero in these days when most of the country's richest citizens are obscenely greedy for more and more of the nation's wealth and power.

    I wish he'd get into politics at the national level and perhaps run for the Senate from Washington state. Heaven knows we badly need more voices of compassion and vision in Washington, D.C.

    Contrast Schultz with Paul Ryan. Schultz wants to make the world better while Ryan and the GOP want to make the world better for the richest people in the US.

    He’s no hero, he’s just posturing and gaming a bunch of stupid white social justice warrior types and the bi-coastal elites for street creds.

    In the end though it’s just Orwellian bullying by him against his workers. Really forcing a bunch of kids to talk about a subject that can lead to violence or verbal abuse is just sick.

    Cheap theatrics with a dose of thuggery behind the scenes for those that don’t comply.

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  12. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Perhaps Howard should sell a few select books by the Nation of Islam along with the CDs and coffee mugs. The baristas could then have book discussions with customers who’ve read them which would help spread enlightenment and joy everywhere.

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  13. Bronfman married a schwartza? How droll!

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    That's schvarza.
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  14. Polynices says:

    Quoting Mellody Hobson and not mentioning that the only reason anyone gives a damn who she is or what she says is because she is Mrs. George Lucas is annoyingly dishonest.

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    That's actually not true. Hobson was fairly well known in financial/business circles before she started dating George Lucas. For example, she was already president of Ariel Investments (founded by Michelle Obama's brother's former Princeton teammate John Rodgers) and was on the board of directors of Starbucks.
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    @iSteveFan

    How much do you know about the long history of Jews exploiting blacks economically: in the slave trade, the sugar plantations of Brazil,...
     
    Steve, you've mentioned before the involvement of Jews in the slave trade of Brazil. Can you elaborate a bit?

    “Steve, you’ve mentioned before the involvement of Jews in the slave trade of Brazil. Can you elaborate a bit?”

    The first Jewish families arrived in Recife in 1635, when Pernambuco was under Dutch rule, had fewer than 10,000 inhabitants and was the richest Brazilian captaincy. Pursued by the Catholic Inquisition in the Iberian Peninsula, they came attracted by the religious freedom that the Dutch began to settle on land taken from Portugal.

    In Recife, the Jews entered the branch of the trade that would soon dominate: during the rule of Count Maurice of Nassau, for example, they controlled 40% of sugar exports sugar from Pernambuco to the Netherlands and Germany.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pernambuco#Jews_in_Pernambuco

    The history of the Jews in Brazil is a rather long and complex one, as it stretches from the very beginning of the European settlement in the new continent. Jews started settling in Brazil ever since the Inquisition reached Portugal in the 16th century. They arrived in Brazil during the period of Dutch rule, setting up in Recife the first synagogue in the Americas as early as 1636. Most of those Jews were Sephardic Jews who had fled the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal to the religious freedom of the Netherlands. Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil’s sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal during the inquisition.[3]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Brazil

    When the Inquisition in Portugal took hold in 1497, Jews fled to places throughout the world, including Brazil. They arrived in Brazil primarily as New Christians or Conversos (Jews converted to Christianity), but many secretly practiced Judaism and began a colonization drive to settle on the land. Despite continued persecution by the Brazilian Inquisition, the New Christians successfully established sugar plantations and mills. By 1624, approximately 50,000 Europeans lived in Brazil, with New Christians making up a significant percentage. They were businessmen, importers, exporters, teachers, writers poets, even priests. In that same year, Dutch forces arrived in Brazil, taking over portions of northeast Brazil. Dutch tolerance allowed for Jewish migration and the open practice of religion. In 1636, Jews built the Kahal Zur synagogue in the Dutch capital of Recife.

    In Dutch Brazil, Jews flourished in the sugar industry, tax farming and slave trade. Jews often purchased slaves and resold them at great profit.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Brazil.html

    Flanked by bustling cafes in downtown Recife on Brazil’s northeastern coast is a little-known treasure of Jewish history in the New World – the oldest synagogue in the Americas.

    Sephardic Jews built the two-story Kahal Zur Israel Synagogue before 1641 – most likely in 1636 – when they enjoyed religious freedom under the Dutch, who ruled part of the northeast region from 1630 to 1654 to control sugar production.[....]

    Their studies are gradually unveiling the prominent role Jews had in early Brazilian society.

    “It challenges the stereotypical view that Brazilian culture is based on a tripod of Portuguese, [native] Indians and Africans,” said Tania Kaufman, head of the Jewish Historical Archive in Recife, the capital of Pernambuco state.

    “We now know Jews were a fundamental part of Brazil’s cultural melting pot.”

    Historical records in Brazil and Amsterdam show Jews helped build the sugar industry, roads, bridges, and a basic sewage system in the northeast. Many also made money by trading slaves.

    At its height in 1645, the Jewish community in Recife counted 1,630 members, the same number as in the thriving Jewish community of Amsterdam, according to Dutch historian Franz Leonard Schalkwijk.

    “The economic dominance of the Jews prompted various protests [from Catholics and Protestants],” wrote Schalkwijk in his book “Church and State in Dutch Brazil.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/synagogue-in-brazilian-town-recife-considered-oldest-in-the-americas-1.233058

    Jews played an important role here on Barbados, he explained — and perhaps one far greater than is widely acknowledged. When the Jews first arrived in the 1640s, they were experts in sugar production. Back then, the business of Barbados was sugar, and its fermented byproduct, rum. Which in turn lubricates tourism, the business of Barbados today [.....]

    Meanwhile, Spain had laid claim to the entire New World, including the Caribbean, which the other world powers contested. Holland, and later England, pragmatically allowed “New Christians” (who had wealth, international trade connections and a hatred of Spain) to settle in the colonies they wrested from the Spanish. In Dutch Brazil, the now openly-practicing Jews entered the sugar trade in a big way, and a few even ventured to British-controlled Barbados, whose climate was also suited to sugar. Many more arrived after the Portuguese recaptured Brazil in 1654 — immediately expelling the Jews.

    They called Barbados the land of Coconut Milk and Sugar Cane, and they planned to stay. They built a Synagogue, and a mikvah — the latter only discovered last year in the Synagogue’s parking lot by University of West Indies archaeologist Michael Stoner. (See the mikvah here.) By the mid 1700s, the Jewish community numbered as many as 800. A small number, to be sure, on an island whose population was about 80,000, but the history of the Jewish people is one of outsized influence. Could Barbados be yet another example?[....]

    Hmmm. I thought back to the Nidhe Israel Museum, with its wall-sized timeline of Jewish life from 1600-2000. For 1644 and 1654: “Jews are sugar experts for British settlers.” What was that about?

    This, it seems, stretches back to when the Sephardim were running their sugar plantations in Brazil. Barbados’ most elite planters watched what the Jewish planters were successfully doing in Brazil, and borrowed their technology. For instance, James Drax, an elite Barbadian planter who worked more than 700 acres in Barbados, visited the Sephardic colony in Brazil in 1640, and brought back with him two key innovations: a triple-roller sugar mill for crushing the sugar cane, and copper cauldrons for boiling the cane juice to get crystals, writes Ian Williams in his book Rum. (Nation Books, 2005). Williams credits the Jews for transferring that technology to Barbados, which they likely did as investors in sugar plantations they did not own. Watson’s ledgers show both investments in sugar plantations and certainly, handling the trade in sugar after it was harvested.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alison-stein-wellner/jewish-barbados-tracking_b_174758.html

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    It all rather seems so businesslike. I suppose passages about American history used to be written in that manner. Thanks for the links.
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  16. “. . . rare CEO willing to stand for more than quarterly profits, and isn’t that what we want from our corporate chieftains? ”

    No. Absolutely not. What a mindless thing to say. How perfectly silly.

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  17. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Polynices
    Quoting Mellody Hobson and not mentioning that the only reason anyone gives a damn who she is or what she says is because she is Mrs. George Lucas is annoyingly dishonest.

    That’s actually not true. Hobson was fairly well known in financial/business circles before she started dating George Lucas. For example, she was already president of Ariel Investments (founded by Michelle Obama’s brother’s former Princeton teammate John Rodgers) and was on the board of directors of Starbucks.

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  18. Mr. Anon says:

    “By the way, it’s not mentioned in the op-ed column (because it’s interesting, and we can have interesting facts distracting from The Narrative), but Mellody Hobson is also Mrs. George Lucas.”

    She certainly is a very beautiful woman. Old turkey-gullet-George did pretty well for himself.

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    Lucas definitely resembles a member of the Spanish royal family circa 1500 today but at the tail end of the Sixties he was hanging out with Francis Coppola, Spielberg, Dennis Hopper, John Milius, and various roustabouts from the USC film school, of which gang he was probably the least slobby/greasy- looking (and somehow they all got their share of groupies, because Los Angeles 1970). I don't know how close he was to his ex-wife but doubt it mattered to his romantic prospects by the time of the Indiana Jones franchise; like James Cameron I'm sure he did whatever & whomever he wanted during his early-middle-age megabucks phase.
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  19. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Just to put the whole #RaceTogether kerfuffle in context, several years ago, Starbucks promoted an egregious new Paul McCartney album and played it in heavy rotation in its stores. That probably cost them more business than their aborted RaceTogether initiative.

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  20. dearieme says:

    If some CEOprick started lecturing me on matters political or social, I’d be inclined to ask him if he’d earned that right by being a second Carnegie, or is it just bullshit. Put up or shut up.

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  21. Ezra says:

    Schultz is a marketing genius and part of the Jedi mind trick of making billions selling $2 paper cups of coffee and $4 shakes is hiring “barrista”‘s who seem like they run a little bit smarter than the average McDonald’s cashier. This is all just part of that trick. Heck, I doubt the typical change-counter at Mickey D’s could even spell RaceTogether!

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  22. Steve’s private fantasy scene of the black barista schoolin’ Schultz is dorkier than whatever I could have predicted as a reader here for almost 15 years. “Lehman Brothers started in Alabama”–oh snap; but that Disraeli burn was truly the kill shot, and so on-topic. Hey, why shouldn’t this imaginary CEO comeuppance also include something from “The Merchant of Venice” just to be all Euro-classy about it? Yup, I think we’re seeing the beginnings of an authentic voice here, the next John Singleton maybe.

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  23. @Mr. Anon
    "By the way, it’s not mentioned in the op-ed column (because it’s interesting, and we can have interesting facts distracting from The Narrative), but Mellody Hobson is also Mrs. George Lucas."

    She certainly is a very beautiful woman. Old turkey-gullet-George did pretty well for himself.

    Lucas definitely resembles a member of the Spanish royal family circa 1500 today but at the tail end of the Sixties he was hanging out with Francis Coppola, Spielberg, Dennis Hopper, John Milius, and various roustabouts from the USC film school, of which gang he was probably the least slobby/greasy- looking (and somehow they all got their share of groupies, because Los Angeles 1970). I don’t know how close he was to his ex-wife but doubt it mattered to his romantic prospects by the time of the Indiana Jones franchise; like James Cameron I’m sure he did whatever & whomever he wanted during his early-middle-age megabucks phase.

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  24. Hey, did you know the Greeks had slaves too (look up “Sparta”)? Apparently this whole slavery business runs deeper than anyone suspected!

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    Y-HW-H had no problem with the venerable institution of slavery:

    http://www.jewfaq.org/m/613.htm

    Neither did Jesus the Nazarine, as far as I can recall.

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  25. Ed says:
    @Mark Minter
    I wonder sometimes if maybe the NYT is maybe some of the most subtle click bait trolls in the internet. I mean the whole Race Together thing was really sort of a disaster and unleashed a lot of potential "Talking Truth to Power" that maybe the "power" really didn't want to hear after all. And as race has been discussed more and more, I don't think "power" is really liking what a good number of people are saying. But the NYT posts these stories and then "click".

    Here's another piece making rounds that ought to do that for the also: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?_r=1&abt=0002&abg=0

    And I can just imagine the talk that this piece will unleash about accounting for those "missing men". And I am amazed that the author of the piece, "JUSTIN WOLFERS, DAVID LEONHARDT and KEVIN QUEALY" (pasted in from the NYT piece which explains the caps) are so naive as to think about the "talking" this piece might unleash. It is another example of another liberal writeup using data about low income, crime, home ownership, education attainment or lack of it, where the answer is right in front their faces, but they just can't connect the dots in the way that is sort of an Occam's Razor obvious sort of thing.

    They say it but they don't say it. "Black men are statistically more likely to be incarcerated" and this big one here: "Homicide, the leading cause of death for young African-American men, plays a large role, and they also die from heart disease, respiratory disease and accidents more often than other demographic groups, including black women."

    Of course the idea that impulsive choices, breaking the law far more than other ethnics groups, lack of physical activity and unhealthy lifestyles, smoking Kools, Newports, crack, blunts, drinking malt liquor, and shooting each other, just might be the result of being stupid. But that never is said as if the obvious connection never occurs to "JUSTIN WOLFERS, DAVID LEONHARDT and KEVIN QUEALY" , our NYT data experts because, of course, White People.

    Then there is this list, which has a special significance that eludes the authors:

    Places with the lowest rates (of black men as a percentage of black population)

    PLACE PCT. BLACK MEN
    Ferguson, Mo. 37.5%
    Shaker Heights, Ohio 38.1%
    Highland Springs, Va. 38.3%
    Westmont, Calif. 38.3%
    Farmington Hills, Mich. 39.0%
    Union City, Ga. 39.1%
    Euclid, Ohio 39.3%
    Oak Park, Mich. 39.3%
    East Chicago, Ind. 39.4%
    Garfield Heights, Ohio 39.6%

    But the significance is obvious to an iSteve reader, no? Section 8 suburbs, where the vouchers are given to women?

    And then if you check the link to the methodology used by the authors, it lists census data. And that contains a conclusion obvious to the iSteve reader, that black men typically could give a crap about a census or are in a situation where it is better than they not be found by probation officers or their baby mama. So then maybe being with a section 8 baby mama other than your baby mama who acts as your front might be the thing to do. So imagine when some census taker knocks at the door of one of those houses.... Or doesn't because it is one of those houses. Or when the data analyst in a meeting suggests a correction factor to be assumed in processing the stats, which surely are estimated or implied using some statistical trick to compensate for the fact that the black residents of Ferguson or East Chicago aren't going to sharpen some pencils and sit down with the census packet to complete it and mail it in a timely manner. And then the data guy suggests a Thug Correction factor? And his manager says "Oh good idea". Yeah that data is real accurate I am sure.

    But hey, let's talk about Race. I wanna.

    I pointed this out to the author via Twitter but he neglected to respond. He probably didn’t want to step in that minefield.

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  26. D. K. says:
    @Scotty G. Vito
    Hey, did you know the Greeks had slaves too (look up "Sparta")? Apparently this whole slavery business runs deeper than anyone suspected!

    Y-HW-H had no problem with the venerable institution of slavery:

    http://www.jewfaq.org/m/613.htm

    Neither did Jesus the Nazarine, as far as I can recall.

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    Yet it was Christians who led the fight against slavery.
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  27. There is a huge chasm between Nocera’s characterization of Schultz as “the rare chief executive who is willing to stand for more than quarterly profits,” and the firm’s reputation in Europe, where Starbuck’s is famous mainly for not paying taxes. Starbuck’s has been operating in France, the UK and Germany for decades without paying one euro of taxes. Starbuck’s tax avoidance practices have been widely publicized in the media and investigated by the parliaments of these countries and by the European Commission. Militant groups (mainly leftish in bias) have singled out Starbuck’s for its aggressive tax avoidance and a left wing group in the UK has launched a public boycott of Starbuck’s.
    When asked to justify this, Starbuck’s corporate spokespersons in their respective countries can explain why they make no money even though they keep opening stores, hiring workers and expanding sales. (Presumably, Starbuck’s tells its shareholders something else.)
    One aspect of the Starbuck’s farce that has not been adequately discussed is whether Starbuck’s policy constitutes an infringement on the civil rights of its employees. Prospective customers who are offended by Schultz action have the option of not patronizing Starbuck’s. By contrast, the firm’s employees have a constitutional right to their own opinions about race as well as the right to express their opinions openly or to remain silent. By linking the company to a campaign for racial justice as defined by the management of Starbuck’s, employees will face pressures continue to be part of that campaign if they want to keep hold their jobs or to be considered for advancement.
    I have no doubt that Starbuck’s lawyers have anticipated this criticism and have already taken action to provide legal cover. Ask the parliamentarians of France Germany and the UK if you have any doubts. Yet it is hard to conceive of a more glaring inequality of power, than that of a poorly paid fast food worker who would like to continue earning his/her salary by efficiently and cheerfully serving customers who now faces the options of a) parroting the party line as defined by Mr. Schultz, b) or else.

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    Calm down , John. First of all, Starbucks has now backed away from the whole thing and secondly, Schultz never told his employees what they should say, just that they should "have a conversation about race". Having a genuine conversation about race in America (rather than being lectured at by leftists) is something that is long overdue (and is frankly still impossible, as Schultz found out).

    Regarding taxes, there is a difference between tax evasion, which is illegal, and tax avoidance, which is not. Arranging your affairs in a way that minimizes the amount of taxes that you owe is not only legal, but Schultz would be violating his fiduciary duty to his shareholders if Starbucks was paying more taxes than legally required just because some leftists thought that he should.
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  28. Zach says:

    Add Eileen Harris to the list of black women who married white male billionaires. She married Peter Norton who made his pile with the Norton Utilities, anti-virus, etc programs. Ms. Harris encouraged Norton to spend his money on art as mentioned here:

    “In “It Shall Be Named” (1994), Renée Cox draws a powerful allusion between Christ’s crucifixion and the lynching of African-Americans. The piece is one of more than 50 important, and frequently provocative, works recently donated to the Mildred Lane Kemper Art Museum at Washington University in St. Louis by Peter Norton, the arts philanthropist and software entrepreneur.” http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/28319.aspx

    In a New Yorker profile, the interviewer remarked on the bad reviews of Norton-sponsored exhibitions. Norton stated (as I recall) that he had been good at software, now he wanted to try something that he wasn’t so good at.

    According to Wikipedia, the Nortons enjoyed Martha’s Vineyard so much that Peter, Eileen and their two children moved to the Oak Bluff area on the island. “My children are half black, and we thought Oak Bluffs would give them an opportunity to summer around other kids like them,” Norton said in a 2007 interview with Laura D. Roosevelt for Martha’s Vineyard Magazine, alluding to Oak Bluff’s reputation as a popular summer spot among black people.” The “1891, eight bedroom Queen Anne house” purchased by the Nortons burned down in 2001, a year after Peter and Eileen divorced.

    In 2007, Norton married Gwen Adams in a ceremony conducted by Henry Louis Gates. Adams Norton is on the board of trustees at Spelman College

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    So Peter Norton (who BTW looks like Haven Monahan with glasses) has now had not just one but two black wives? So I guess it's true what they say about never going back.
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  29. Well, any true veteran of the halls of HTML would already know that Sailer is given to ventriloquizing his own pet themes through the stock character of Miscellaneous Tough Urban Youth. Somehow that fabled proletariat labors on in false consciousness never realizing its political interests in common with an old white yuppie guy who studies SAT vs. ACT market share trends from noon till night; but you can easily see it borne out in reality just by striking up a conversation with a black Starbucks clerk about Robert Trent Jones or the Apt. 23 B show– oh what sublime dialogues you’ll have.

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  30. Whether the barista’s desire for absolute sexual freedom contains any genuinely radical conception of a different world is of course another matter, and it is possible, since the barista lives with his hatred, that many of them are the material for an elite of storm troopers ready to follow the first truly magnetic leader whose view of mass murder is phrased in a language which reaches their emotions. But given the desperation of his condition as a psychic outlaw, the barista is equally a candidate for the most reactionary and most radical of movements, and so it is just as possible that many baristas will come — if the crisis deepens — to a radical comprehension of the horror of society, for even as the radical has had his incommunicable Frappucino order confirmed in his experience by precisely the frustration, the denied opportunities, and the bitter years which his ideas have cost him, so the sexual adventurer deflected from his goal by the implacable animosity of a society constructed to deny the sexual radical as well, may yet come to an equally bitter comprehension of the slow relentless grinding of the Nuova Simoelli dual-hopper unit which controls him from without and from within. And in being so controlled, denied, and starved into the attrition of conformity, indeed the barista may come to see that his condition is no more than an exaggeration of the human condition, and if he would be free, then everyone must be free.

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  31. Zach says:
    @Anonymous
    If everything Mr. Nocera says is true, Howard Schultz is a rare American hero in these days when most of the country's richest citizens are obscenely greedy for more and more of the nation's wealth and power.

    I wish he'd get into politics at the national level and perhaps run for the Senate from Washington state. Heaven knows we badly need more voices of compassion and vision in Washington, D.C.

    Contrast Schultz with Paul Ryan. Schultz wants to make the world better while Ryan and the GOP want to make the world better for the richest people in the US.

    Residents of Washington state would never vote for the guy who sent Seattle’s basketball team packing. Schultz is a huge phony, a PC bloviator. As Gary Payton said, “he just talks.”

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  32. Svigor says:

    Here’s a lesson for #RaceTogether:

    Uh-oh, part Duh:

    Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage

    Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

    “If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

    “Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

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    Here’s a lesson for #RaceTogether:
     
    Yes, I agree with you Svigor, the police are too violent.
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  33. iSteveFan says:
    @syonredux
    "Steve, you’ve mentioned before the involvement of Jews in the slave trade of Brazil. Can you elaborate a bit?"

    The first Jewish families arrived in Recife in 1635, when Pernambuco was under Dutch rule, had fewer than 10,000 inhabitants and was the richest Brazilian captaincy. Pursued by the Catholic Inquisition in the Iberian Peninsula, they came attracted by the religious freedom that the Dutch began to settle on land taken from Portugal.

    In Recife, the Jews entered the branch of the trade that would soon dominate: during the rule of Count Maurice of Nassau, for example, they controlled 40% of sugar exports sugar from Pernambuco to the Netherlands and Germany.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pernambuco#Jews_in_Pernambuco

    The history of the Jews in Brazil is a rather long and complex one, as it stretches from the very beginning of the European settlement in the new continent. Jews started settling in Brazil ever since the Inquisition reached Portugal in the 16th century. They arrived in Brazil during the period of Dutch rule, setting up in Recife the first synagogue in the Americas as early as 1636. Most of those Jews were Sephardic Jews who had fled the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal to the religious freedom of the Netherlands. Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil's sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal during the inquisition.[3]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Brazil

    When the Inquisition in Portugal took hold in 1497, Jews fled to places throughout the world, including Brazil. They arrived in Brazil primarily as New Christians or Conversos (Jews converted to Christianity), but many secretly practiced Judaism and began a colonization drive to settle on the land. Despite continued persecution by the Brazilian Inquisition, the New Christians successfully established sugar plantations and mills. By 1624, approximately 50,000 Europeans lived in Brazil, with New Christians making up a significant percentage. They were businessmen, importers, exporters, teachers, writers poets, even priests. In that same year, Dutch forces arrived in Brazil, taking over portions of northeast Brazil. Dutch tolerance allowed for Jewish migration and the open practice of religion. In 1636, Jews built the Kahal Zur synagogue in the Dutch capital of Recife.

    In Dutch Brazil, Jews flourished in the sugar industry, tax farming and slave trade. Jews often purchased slaves and resold them at great profit.
     
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Brazil.html

    Flanked by bustling cafes in downtown Recife on Brazil's northeastern coast is a little-known treasure of Jewish history in the New World - the oldest synagogue in the Americas.

    Sephardic Jews built the two-story Kahal Zur Israel Synagogue before 1641 - most likely in 1636 - when they enjoyed religious freedom under the Dutch, who ruled part of the northeast region from 1630 to 1654 to control sugar production.[....]




    Their studies are gradually unveiling the prominent role Jews had in early Brazilian society.

    "It challenges the stereotypical view that Brazilian culture is based on a tripod of Portuguese, [native] Indians and Africans," said Tania Kaufman, head of the Jewish Historical Archive in Recife, the capital of Pernambuco state.

    "We now know Jews were a fundamental part of Brazil's cultural melting pot."

    Historical records in Brazil and Amsterdam show Jews helped build the sugar industry, roads, bridges, and a basic sewage system in the northeast. Many also made money by trading slaves.

    At its height in 1645, the Jewish community in Recife counted 1,630 members, the same number as in the thriving Jewish community of Amsterdam, according to Dutch historian Franz Leonard Schalkwijk.

    "The economic dominance of the Jews prompted various protests [from Catholics and Protestants]," wrote Schalkwijk in his book "Church and State in Dutch Brazil."

     

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/synagogue-in-brazilian-town-recife-considered-oldest-in-the-americas-1.233058

    Jews played an important role here on Barbados, he explained -- and perhaps one far greater than is widely acknowledged. When the Jews first arrived in the 1640s, they were experts in sugar production. Back then, the business of Barbados was sugar, and its fermented byproduct, rum. Which in turn lubricates tourism, the business of Barbados today [.....]

    Meanwhile, Spain had laid claim to the entire New World, including the Caribbean, which the other world powers contested. Holland, and later England, pragmatically allowed "New Christians" (who had wealth, international trade connections and a hatred of Spain) to settle in the colonies they wrested from the Spanish. In Dutch Brazil, the now openly-practicing Jews entered the sugar trade in a big way, and a few even ventured to British-controlled Barbados, whose climate was also suited to sugar. Many more arrived after the Portuguese recaptured Brazil in 1654 -- immediately expelling the Jews.

    They called Barbados the land of Coconut Milk and Sugar Cane, and they planned to stay. They built a Synagogue, and a mikvah -- the latter only discovered last year in the Synagogue's parking lot by University of West Indies archaeologist Michael Stoner. (See the mikvah here.) By the mid 1700s, the Jewish community numbered as many as 800. A small number, to be sure, on an island whose population was about 80,000, but the history of the Jewish people is one of outsized influence. Could Barbados be yet another example?[....]


    Hmmm. I thought back to the Nidhe Israel Museum, with its wall-sized timeline of Jewish life from 1600-2000. For 1644 and 1654: "Jews are sugar experts for British settlers." What was that about?

    This, it seems, stretches back to when the Sephardim were running their sugar plantations in Brazil. Barbados' most elite planters watched what the Jewish planters were successfully doing in Brazil, and borrowed their technology. For instance, James Drax, an elite Barbadian planter who worked more than 700 acres in Barbados, visited the Sephardic colony in Brazil in 1640, and brought back with him two key innovations: a triple-roller sugar mill for crushing the sugar cane, and copper cauldrons for boiling the cane juice to get crystals, writes Ian Williams in his book Rum. (Nation Books, 2005). Williams credits the Jews for transferring that technology to Barbados, which they likely did as investors in sugar plantations they did not own. Watson's ledgers show both investments in sugar plantations and certainly, handling the trade in sugar after it was harvested.

     

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alison-stein-wellner/jewish-barbados-tracking_b_174758.html

    It all rather seems so businesslike. I suppose passages about American history used to be written in that manner. Thanks for the links.

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  34. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “By the way, it’s not mentioned in the op-ed column (because it’s interesting, and we can have interesting facts distracting from The Narrative), but Mellody Hobson is also Mrs. George Lucas. ”

    I love the way the MSM so frequently casually quotes or mentions these extremely privileged and influential individuals as though they’re just some average schmucks who could be anyone. It’s as though the MSM is just a little party for the people who dominate it (I don’t mean Jewish people, really) and all of their friends.

    For instance, I remember quite awhile back Donnie Deutsch had Shoshanna Lonstein on his show, and he described her as someone who had started her business in her parents’ home in NYC with no capital, as though she were no different from someone “with a dream” living in a middle class suburb in Ohio. The fact that she was a NYC “it” girl with lots of connections, who had dated Jerry Seinfeld while in high school, was never mentioned, or if it was I missed it and it was certainly not emphasized.

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  35. Forbes says:

    He is the rare chief executive who is willing to stand for more than quarterly profits, and isn’t that what we want from our corporate chieftains?

    Actually, fiduciary stewardship–profitability and continuation as a going concern is the CEO’s principal obligation and responsibility to the company’s owners. What “we want” is entirely irrelevant.

    But then the attitude expressed by a NYTimes editorial writer is not unsurprising, i.e. corporations have 1st amendment (religion, speech, press, assembly) rights so long as they pursue the advocacy agenda espoused by the NYTimes, and know to shut up otherwise.

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  36. Forbes says:
    @unit472
    Its hard to imagine a conversation on 'race' between two people of different races not dissolving into acrimony even if well intentioned. As with politics, even people who agree on broad issues will find specific areas of disagreement. Happens all the time even here in the comfortable confines of Mr. Sailer's blog.

    With blacks there is very little common ground. For a black person 'race' is the foundation of their identity and, because of their peculiar inability to compete economically and intellectually against all other races, this makes any discussion about race a no go area right away. What is to discuss? Their crime rate? Their inability to compete at the highest levels of human civilization? We are left with nothing to discuss seriously because a black person's race is both immutable and the source of the 'problem'. The best we can hope for is to let them know we wish them well and bear no animosity towards them personally!

    It’s both simpler and more complex…

    Its hard to imagine a conversation on ‘race’ between two people of different races not dissolving into acrimony even if well intentioned.

    It’s hard to imagine a conversation on race between two complete strangers not dissolving into acrimony even if well intended.

    That’s the dynamic.

    Howard Schultz’s effort is so wide of the target it misses the side of the barn. Two strangers will talk about the weather, and little more. Intimate friends will talk about anything they choose. The barista is not an intimate friend, but rather a stranger–hired help paid to be courteous and friendly, but a stranger none the less. That Schultz is in a retail business, yet seemingly unaware of this dynamic is a bit bizarre.

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    The relationship between customers and baristas is often a bit more friendly than that, a dynamic Shultz is aware of, and helped foster. Not friendly enough to warrant a discussion about controversial topics though.

    I think Schultz is more idealistic than some here might think. He created a place where all sorts of Americans hangout in peace, and seems to think there's no problem that can't be solved if they just put their heads together.

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  37. Forbes says:
    @Mark Minter
    I wonder sometimes if maybe the NYT is maybe some of the most subtle click bait trolls in the internet. I mean the whole Race Together thing was really sort of a disaster and unleashed a lot of potential "Talking Truth to Power" that maybe the "power" really didn't want to hear after all. And as race has been discussed more and more, I don't think "power" is really liking what a good number of people are saying. But the NYT posts these stories and then "click".

    Here's another piece making rounds that ought to do that for the also: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?_r=1&abt=0002&abg=0

    And I can just imagine the talk that this piece will unleash about accounting for those "missing men". And I am amazed that the author of the piece, "JUSTIN WOLFERS, DAVID LEONHARDT and KEVIN QUEALY" (pasted in from the NYT piece which explains the caps) are so naive as to think about the "talking" this piece might unleash. It is another example of another liberal writeup using data about low income, crime, home ownership, education attainment or lack of it, where the answer is right in front their faces, but they just can't connect the dots in the way that is sort of an Occam's Razor obvious sort of thing.

    They say it but they don't say it. "Black men are statistically more likely to be incarcerated" and this big one here: "Homicide, the leading cause of death for young African-American men, plays a large role, and they also die from heart disease, respiratory disease and accidents more often than other demographic groups, including black women."

    Of course the idea that impulsive choices, breaking the law far more than other ethnics groups, lack of physical activity and unhealthy lifestyles, smoking Kools, Newports, crack, blunts, drinking malt liquor, and shooting each other, just might be the result of being stupid. But that never is said as if the obvious connection never occurs to "JUSTIN WOLFERS, DAVID LEONHARDT and KEVIN QUEALY" , our NYT data experts because, of course, White People.

    Then there is this list, which has a special significance that eludes the authors:

    Places with the lowest rates (of black men as a percentage of black population)

    PLACE PCT. BLACK MEN
    Ferguson, Mo. 37.5%
    Shaker Heights, Ohio 38.1%
    Highland Springs, Va. 38.3%
    Westmont, Calif. 38.3%
    Farmington Hills, Mich. 39.0%
    Union City, Ga. 39.1%
    Euclid, Ohio 39.3%
    Oak Park, Mich. 39.3%
    East Chicago, Ind. 39.4%
    Garfield Heights, Ohio 39.6%

    But the significance is obvious to an iSteve reader, no? Section 8 suburbs, where the vouchers are given to women?

    And then if you check the link to the methodology used by the authors, it lists census data. And that contains a conclusion obvious to the iSteve reader, that black men typically could give a crap about a census or are in a situation where it is better than they not be found by probation officers or their baby mama. So then maybe being with a section 8 baby mama other than your baby mama who acts as your front might be the thing to do. So imagine when some census taker knocks at the door of one of those houses.... Or doesn't because it is one of those houses. Or when the data analyst in a meeting suggests a correction factor to be assumed in processing the stats, which surely are estimated or implied using some statistical trick to compensate for the fact that the black residents of Ferguson or East Chicago aren't going to sharpen some pencils and sit down with the census packet to complete it and mail it in a timely manner. And then the data guy suggests a Thug Correction factor? And his manager says "Oh good idea". Yeah that data is real accurate I am sure.

    But hey, let's talk about Race. I wanna.

    “Black men are statistically more likely to be incarcerated”

    Yes, yes, just that random “statistically more likely” mumbo jumbo. Can’t really be explained.

    If it were stated that 1.5 million black men were in prison for committing crimes–well, they would be missing any more. And then, what would be the point of the article, as the missing is no longer a mystery?

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    *wouldn't* be missing...
    , @Truth

    If it were stated that 1.5 million black men were in prison for committing crimes–well, they would be missing any more.
     
    Technically no one is in jail for "committing crimes"; people go to jail for pleading to, or being convicted of crimes.
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    @Forbes

    “Black men are statistically more likely to be incarcerated”
     
    Yes, yes, just that random "statistically more likely" mumbo jumbo. Can't really be explained.

    If it were stated that 1.5 million black men were in prison for committing crimes--well, they would be missing any more. And then, what would be the point of the article, as the missing is no longer a mystery?

    *wouldn’t* be missing…

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  39. Marc says:

    “And don’t get me started on the American pop music business!”

    Whites at large get credited with ripping off R&B/blues musicians (especially the publishing & royalties) in the Twentieth century despite the fact that it was an industry overrepresented by a specific ethnic group.

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  40. Svigor says:

    If everything Mr. Nocera says is true, Howard Schultz is a rare American hero in these days when most of the country’s richest citizens are obscenely greedy for more and more of the nation’s wealth and power.

    I wish he’d get into politics at the national level and perhaps run for the Senate from Washington state. Heaven knows we badly need more voices of compassion and vision in Washington, D.C.

    Contrast Schultz with Paul Ryan. Schultz wants to make the world better while Ryan and the GOP want to make the world better for the richest people in the US.

    Yeah, a CEO in America is really risking life and limb for parroting the dominant liberal view of race in a very public way. Might as well be storming a bunker full of German soldiers.

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  41. Jack D says:

    Anti-Semites who would like to make a big deal about Jewish involvement in the slave trade are making mountains out of molehills for this reason alone: there just weren’t that many Jews in the New World prior to the great migrations from Eastern Europe of the late 19th century (and an earlier wave of German Jews starting in the 184os). Before that, Jews in the Americas were as rare as hen’s teeth. Even if every one of them was a vicious slave driver, you are talking about a total population of a couple of thousand out of millions of Christians in the New World. Even accounting for the Jewish propensity to be disproportionately represented in lucrative trades, there just weren’t enough Jews to go around – 99% of the slave traders, plantation owners, etc. had to be non-Jews just as a matter of mathematics.

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    Jack D,

    I don't think that anyone (well, anyone worth listening to) is claiming that Jews controlled the Atlantic Slave Trade.However, they did play a role in it.And, at certain times and in certain places, it was a fairly significant role. For example, as noted in my previous posting, they played a very important part in the development of the sugar trade in Brazil.And the sugar trade was predicated on slave labor.
    , @Jefferson
    " 99% of the slave traders, plantation owners, etc. had to be non-Jews just as a matter of mathematics."

    Definitely, the typical average owner of Negroid slaves in the New World was a Goy just like Ben Affleck's slave owning ancestors.
    , @ben tillman

    Anti-Semites who would like to make a big deal about Jewish involvement in the slave trade are making mountains out of molehills for this reason alone: there just weren’t that many Jews in the New World prior to the great migrations from Eastern Europe of the late 19th century (and an earlier wave of German Jews starting in the 184os). Before that, Jews in the Americas were as rare as hen’s teeth.
     
    No, they weren't. They played a leading role from the start, as Columbus and many of his crew were conversos or their descendants. Up until 1630 (when English immigration to New England took off), Jews (including conversos) were probably about 20% of the European population in the New World and, for several decades after that, maybe still 20% of the population of the slave/sugar countries.

    They were a large percentage of the European population in Brazil and other places where the slave trade was important. They were half or more of the population of Recife. Conversos founded and owned Jamaica. They were a third to a half of the European population in Surinam and Curacao. Jews from Recife introduced sugar cultivation to Barbados.

    Here's one source:

    Jewish history in Brazil dates back to the time of the voyages of Christopher Columbus. Gaspar da Gama, a Jew by birth, but later kidnaped and forcibly baptized, accompanied Portuguese admiral Pedro Alvares Cabral when he landed in what is now Brazil in 1500, beginning a more than 500-year presence in the New World.

    When the Inquisition in Portugal took hold in 1497, Jews fled to places throughout the world, including Brazil. They arrived in Brazil primarily as New Christians or Conversos (Jews converted to Christianity), but many secretly practiced Judaism and began a colonization drive to settle on the land. Despite continued persecution by the Brazilian Inquisition, the New Christians successfully established sugar plantations and mills. By 1624, approximately 50,000 Europeans lived in Brazil, with New Christians making up a significant percentage. They were businessmen, importers, exporters, teachers, writers poets, even priests. In that same year, Dutch forces arrived in Brazil, taking over portions of northeast Brazil. Dutch tolerance allowed for Jewish migration and the open practice of religion. In 1636, Jews built the Kahal Zur synagogue in the Dutch capital of Recife.

    In Dutch Brazil, Jews flourished in the sugar industry, tax farming and slave trade. Jews often purchased slaves and resold them at great profit. Those they kept often preferred to work for Jews because both Shabbat and Sunday were rest days, whereas the Portugese only gave them Sunday off, and the Dutch worked their slaves seven days a week.

    In 1642, Rabbi Isaac Aboab da Fonseca, a well-known Amsterdam rabbi and scholar Moses Raphael d'Aguilar came to Brazil as spiritual leaders to assist the congregations of Kahal Zur in Recife and Magen Abraham in Mauricia. By 1645, the Dutch Jewish population peaked at 1,500, approximately half of the European population there.
     
    Jews introduced sugar into Jamaica:

    In 1494, a Marrano named Luis de Torres arrived on the island of Jamaica as the interpreter of Christopher Columbus. Jamaica was a Spanish colony from the arrival of Christopher Columbus in 1494 until the British conquest in 1655. Numerous Portuguese Jews first settled in Jamaica during the Spanish colonization. In 1530, the first ship load of Portuguese-Spanish Jews entered Jamaica. They settled in Spanish Town (formerly St. Jago de la Vega), the only operating town at that time. Many of the Jews that arrived were Conversos, fleeing Europe to openly practice Judaism.

    After the British gained control of the island, Jews were permitted to worship in public. In 1660, Jews were granted citizenship by King Charles. Shortly thereafter, in 1662, Jews arrived from Brazil, England (1663), British Guiana (1664), and Surinam (1673). Jewish communities began establishing synagogues, schools, Jewish markets and shops. Most of these immigrants were Sephardim. During the 17th century one of the greatest Sephardic poets of the period, David Lopez Laguna (1635-1730), lived in Jamaica. Laguna is most recognized for converting biblical Psalms into poems. His book of poems, Espejo Fiel de Vidas (“The True Mirror of Life”), was the first book published in Jamaica under British rule in 1720.

    In 1671, the citizens of Jamaica petitioned the British officials to expel the Jewish community from the island, but Governor Lynch opposed this request and it was not enacted. In 1693, however, a special tax was imposed on the Jews. By 1700, Jews were considered second-class citizens because of their religion. In 1703, Jews were forbidden from using Christian servants. Finally, in 1783, Jews were prohibited from holding public office, they were required to work on the Sabbath, and again had to pay extra taxes.

    Despite all of these restrictions, the Jewish community continued to grow and prosper. During the 17th and 18th centuries, Jews were very involved in sugar and vanilla industries of the island. As early as 1530, the Jews had introduced sugar cultivation to the island. They were also leaders in the island’s international trade and shipping companies.
     
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  42. Jack D says:
    @Zach
    Add Eileen Harris to the list of black women who married white male billionaires. She married Peter Norton who made his pile with the Norton Utilities, anti-virus, etc programs. Ms. Harris encouraged Norton to spend his money on art as mentioned here:

    "In “It Shall Be Named” (1994), Renée Cox draws a powerful allusion between Christ’s crucifixion and the lynching of African-Americans. The piece is one of more than 50 important, and frequently provocative, works recently donated to the Mildred Lane Kemper Art Museum at Washington University in St. Louis by Peter Norton, the arts philanthropist and software entrepreneur." http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/28319.aspx

    In a New Yorker profile, the interviewer remarked on the bad reviews of Norton-sponsored exhibitions. Norton stated (as I recall) that he had been good at software, now he wanted to try something that he wasn't so good at.

    According to Wikipedia, the Nortons enjoyed Martha's Vineyard so much that Peter, Eileen and their two children moved to the Oak Bluff area on the island. "My children are half black, and we thought Oak Bluffs would give them an opportunity to summer around other kids like them," Norton said in a 2007 interview with Laura D. Roosevelt for Martha's Vineyard Magazine, alluding to Oak Bluff's reputation as a popular summer spot among black people." The "1891, eight bedroom Queen Anne house" purchased by the Nortons burned down in 2001, a year after Peter and Eileen divorced.

    In 2007, Norton married Gwen Adams in a ceremony conducted by Henry Louis Gates. Adams Norton is on the board of trustees at Spelman College

    So Peter Norton (who BTW looks like Haven Monahan with glasses) has now had not just one but two black wives? So I guess it’s true what they say about never going back.

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  43. Jack D says:
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    There is a huge chasm between Nocera’s characterization of Schultz as “the rare chief executive who is willing to stand for more than quarterly profits,” and the firm’s reputation in Europe, where Starbuck’s is famous mainly for not paying taxes. Starbuck’s has been operating in France, the UK and Germany for decades without paying one euro of taxes. Starbuck’s tax avoidance practices have been widely publicized in the media and investigated by the parliaments of these countries and by the European Commission. Militant groups (mainly leftish in bias) have singled out Starbuck’s for its aggressive tax avoidance and a left wing group in the UK has launched a public boycott of Starbuck’s.
    When asked to justify this, Starbuck’s corporate spokespersons in their respective countries can explain why they make no money even though they keep opening stores, hiring workers and expanding sales. (Presumably, Starbuck’s tells its shareholders something else.)
    One aspect of the Starbuck’s farce that has not been adequately discussed is whether Starbuck’s policy constitutes an infringement on the civil rights of its employees. Prospective customers who are offended by Schultz action have the option of not patronizing Starbuck’s. By contrast, the firm’s employees have a constitutional right to their own opinions about race as well as the right to express their opinions openly or to remain silent. By linking the company to a campaign for racial justice as defined by the management of Starbuck’s, employees will face pressures continue to be part of that campaign if they want to keep hold their jobs or to be considered for advancement.
    I have no doubt that Starbuck’s lawyers have anticipated this criticism and have already taken action to provide legal cover. Ask the parliamentarians of France Germany and the UK if you have any doubts. Yet it is hard to conceive of a more glaring inequality of power, than that of a poorly paid fast food worker who would like to continue earning his/her salary by efficiently and cheerfully serving customers who now faces the options of a) parroting the party line as defined by Mr. Schultz, b) or else.

    Calm down , John. First of all, Starbucks has now backed away from the whole thing and secondly, Schultz never told his employees what they should say, just that they should “have a conversation about race”. Having a genuine conversation about race in America (rather than being lectured at by leftists) is something that is long overdue (and is frankly still impossible, as Schultz found out).

    Regarding taxes, there is a difference between tax evasion, which is illegal, and tax avoidance, which is not. Arranging your affairs in a way that minimizes the amount of taxes that you owe is not only legal, but Schultz would be violating his fiduciary duty to his shareholders if Starbucks was paying more taxes than legally required just because some leftists thought that he should.

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    I disagree about the fiduciary duty to minimize taxes. I realize that many (especially management consultants) have used this argument, but I can provide contrary references. For a full listing I need an e-mail address. If you do not want to send an e-mail address, try this (with its links)
    http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2013/09/fiduciary-duties-and-corporate-tax-avoidance.html
    Do you really think that Schultz wanted his fast food employees to discuss openly their views on race (or to be allowed to remain silent in public on the issue) and let the chips fall where they may? If you are right, my concern about their civil rights is misplaced.
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    @Jack D
    Anti-Semites who would like to make a big deal about Jewish involvement in the slave trade are making mountains out of molehills for this reason alone: there just weren't that many Jews in the New World prior to the great migrations from Eastern Europe of the late 19th century (and an earlier wave of German Jews starting in the 184os). Before that, Jews in the Americas were as rare as hen's teeth. Even if every one of them was a vicious slave driver, you are talking about a total population of a couple of thousand out of millions of Christians in the New World. Even accounting for the Jewish propensity to be disproportionately represented in lucrative trades, there just weren't enough Jews to go around - 99% of the slave traders, plantation owners, etc. had to be non-Jews just as a matter of mathematics.

    Jack D,

    I don’t think that anyone (well, anyone worth listening to) is claiming that Jews controlled the Atlantic Slave Trade.However, they did play a role in it.And, at certain times and in certain places, it was a fairly significant role. For example, as noted in my previous posting, they played a very important part in the development of the sugar trade in Brazil.And the sugar trade was predicated on slave labor.

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    Jews were expelled from Recife in 1654, after the Portuguese took it over. Given their outsized role in the sugar industry, it must have ended then, right?
    , @Anonymous
    Well, it's a very sensitive topic as to just how many Middle Passage slave ships were owned by Jews.

    The ADL might give one estimate and Farrakhan another.

    Does ownership of ships equal control of the trade? Uh, some control. Obviously.
    , @josh
    There were plenty of early Marrano colonizers relative to the number of Old Christians.

    http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/destination-the-new-world/4/

    "For the right price, ship captains were equally willing to disembark New Christian passengers at secret inlets along the Gulf Mexico south of Veracruz, or on the Honduran coast. [The migration of conversos is important to Jewish history for at least two reasons: 1. Crypto-Jews made up a portion of the converso community. These Jews continued to practice Judaism in secret and often, if the opportunity presented itself, resumed living openly as Jews. 2. Conversos, whether they accepted their new identity as Christians or not, still maintained personal and professional ties with their Jewish families–siblings, cousins, parents, grandparents.]

    Indeed, the infiltration of conversos became something of an influx once the Spanish throne assumed its rule over Portugal in 1580…In the early seventeenth century, between three and five thousand Portuguese New Christians may have departed for the New World. They anticipated important commercial inducements overseas, and they were not disappointed.

    In New Spain, as many as two thousand conversos settled in Mexico City, Guadalajara, Vera Cruz, Puebla, and Guatemala City. In New Castile, approximately the same number of New Christians resided in Lima, Poto Tucuman, and Cordoba. By the 1630s, hardly a town in the Spanish Empire did not shelter at least a scattering of conversos, some of whom migrated as far as New Mexico and Florida.

    Their vocations were no less diverse than in Europe. Among the conve­rsos there were numerous artisans‑-shoemakers, spice‑makers, tailors. Others were ranchers. Several New Christians were priests. One was a bishop. There were converso military officers. The mayor of Tecali was New Christian. Yet, as in Europe, most Sephardim gravitated toward commerce. Several became managers of silver mines. Others were gem-­ and food‑dealers. They played their traditionally decisive role in the im­port‑export market, including the slave trade. Altogether, New Christians were as prominent in the Americas as in Spain, Portugal, or the Nether­lands."

    Also this:

    "Religious tolerance was important in determining the direction of the flight of many of the Marranos, but also of great importance were the economic and social opportunities available in the various lands open to them at the time of their escape. These opportunities often made it more desirable for Marranos to continue living as secret Jews in Catholic lands, even those under Spanish and Portuguese domination, than to seek a refuge where they could practice Judaism openly. Conversely, in each of the territories where the Marranos appeared, they were allowed to enter and remain because they served definite economic, social, and political ends. In almost every one of their new homes they quickly rose to prominence in international and domestic trade, banking and finance. They helped to establish great national banks and were prominent on the stock exchanges.

    Marranos played an important role in large trading companies, such as the Dutch East Indies and West Indies Companies. They worked in the traffic of such commodities as coral, sugar, tobacco, and precious stones. The Marranos' common background and culture, their presence in the leading commercial centers, and often their ties of kinship, enabled them to establish an efficient and closely knit international trading organization. Great banking and trading families, such as that founded by Francisco Mendes at Lisbon, had branches throughout Europe. Marranos established manufacturing plants for soap, drugs, and other items, and made signal contributions in minting, handicrafts, armaments, and shipbuilding. The Marranos' international connections served to stimulate communications between nations and their separate competitive development. In this way the activities of the New Christians fostered the stability of their count"

    You really shouldn't underestimate the dominance of Marrano crypto-Jews within first Spain, then Portugal, then the Netherlands.
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  45. Bugg says:

    Seems Bronfman Sr. had a lot of problems with his sons’ various romances-

    http://www.bloggernews.net/16410

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  46. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux
    Jack D,

    I don't think that anyone (well, anyone worth listening to) is claiming that Jews controlled the Atlantic Slave Trade.However, they did play a role in it.And, at certain times and in certain places, it was a fairly significant role. For example, as noted in my previous posting, they played a very important part in the development of the sugar trade in Brazil.And the sugar trade was predicated on slave labor.

    Jews were expelled from Recife in 1654, after the Portuguese took it over. Given their outsized role in the sugar industry, it must have ended then, right?

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    Jews were expelled from Recife in 1654, after the Portuguese took it over. Given their outsized role in the sugar industry, it must have ended then, right?
     
    Why?
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    @syonredux
    Jack D,

    I don't think that anyone (well, anyone worth listening to) is claiming that Jews controlled the Atlantic Slave Trade.However, they did play a role in it.And, at certain times and in certain places, it was a fairly significant role. For example, as noted in my previous posting, they played a very important part in the development of the sugar trade in Brazil.And the sugar trade was predicated on slave labor.

    Well, it’s a very sensitive topic as to just how many Middle Passage slave ships were owned by Jews.

    The ADL might give one estimate and Farrakhan another.

    Does ownership of ships equal control of the trade? Uh, some control. Obviously.

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    Well, it’s a very sensitive topic as to just how many Middle Passage slave ships were owned by Jews.

    The ADL might give one estimate and Farrakhan another.

    Does ownership of ships equal control of the trade? Uh, some control. Obviously.
     
    It's a tough area to sort out.Here's one historian's verdict:

    "New Christian [i.e., Jewish Conversos] merchants managed to gain control of a sizeable, perhaps major, share of all segments of the Portuguese Atlantic slave trade during the Iberian-dominated phase of the Atlantic system. I have come across no description of the Portuguese slave trade that estimates the relative shares of the various participants in the slave trade by the racial-religious designation, but New Christian families certainly oversaw the movement of a vast number of slaves from Africa to Brazil during its first-century period [1600-1700]."
     
    Drescher, Seymour"Jews and New Christians in the Atlantic Slave Trade" in The Jews and the Expansion of Europe to the West, 1400-1800, Paolo Bernardini (Ed.), 2004, p 439-484.

    Some numbers:

    "The Portugese dominated the slave trade throughout the 1500s,
    remaining in control of it until at least 1625." (Faber, 1)

    "The Portugese were responsible for transporting two-fifths, or
    approximately 4,190,000, of all slaves exported from Africa to the
    Americas."
     

    "As part of their ascent during the 1600s to economic primacy in
    Europe, going to war first against Portugul and then against England,
    the Dutch also sought to establish as much control as possible over
    the slave trade. From 1640 until 1700, they may have ranked second in
    the slave trade behind Portugul, and they remained active during the
    1700s after the English had surpassed them."
     

    "During the succeeding century, England surged ahead and became
    Europe's largest slave-transporting nation. Between 1730 and 1807,
    Britain shipped almost 2,463,000 slaves to the western hemisphere,
    41.7 percent of all slaves conveyed to the New World during the
    eighteenth century. This enormous enterprise was the work or merchants
    who resided primarily in three ports: London, Bristol, and Liverpool.

    "The majority of England's slave exports to her own colonies were
    carried to Barbados, Jamaica, and her other islands in the Caribbean.
    The thirteen American colonies received only 21.6 percent. Indeed, the
    American colonies and their successor, the United States of America,
    accounted for six to seven percent of the entire slave trade, or
    715,000 of the more than 11 million people shipped from Africa to the
    western hemisphere between 1510 and 1840, when the transatlantic
    traffic in human beings finally ended.
     
    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//f/faber.eli/Slavery_and_the_Jews.001
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    Here’s an even better idea. How about if every time Gwen Ifill went in for coffee, an employee asked her, “do you realize how fortunate you are to be sitting there getting paid for not understanding the issues and asking banal questions whose answers shed light on nothing?

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    Here’s an even better idea. How about if every time Gwen Ifill went in for coffee, an employee asked her, “do you realize how fortunate you are to be sitting there getting paid for not understanding the issues and asking banal questions whose answers shed light on nothing?
     
    That would require a lot of Starbucks baristas watching PBS news.
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  49. mia says:
    @Grumpy Old Man
    Bronfman married a schwartza? How droll!

    That’s schvarza.

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  50. Whiskey says: • Website

    FWIW, it is amusing to see McDonalds abandon the “365 Black” slogan they had (meaning they were Black beyond just Black History Month). Modern American life is one of deep, and profound, segregation while pretending to be hip like the guys in National Lampoon’s Animal House.

    McDonalds for years under its Black CEO* ran ads making the place a no-go zone for Whites, with various Black, Mixed Race, and Latino actors and nary a White guy in sight. Sales have been declining for years and profits have been even worse. Yes World Star Hip Hop has made McDonalds synonymous with a place for a beat-down by ghetto Black people. Young, old, male, female, transgender, White or Black, it doesn’t matter. WSHH has the video to show just how fight-clubby McDonalds is.

    Now they are running “artisan Chicken Breast” commercials and touting fancy, French style pastries. They might as well wave signs saying “no Blacks here anymore!” Next thing you know they’ll play Classical music in all their stores.

    *McDonalds strategy was not all wet. Blacks are immune culturally to messages about health and avoiding fast food, and are the most frequent fast food customers of all demographic groups. Trouble is they don’t buy high margin, high profit items. Just Dollar Menu stuff that is very low in profit margins.

    Starbucks has been a Whitopia for years. Getting a moral lecture on White Privilege is exactly what patrons wish to avoid. They’d rather GIVE IT to a working class White guy at Dunkin Donuts. Schulz is a guy who got lucky, rather than good. Fundamentally he does not understand his customers or his business.

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  51. […] Average Joe Steve Sailer imagines how such a conversation between the Jewish executive and one of his black baristas might go: “My boss told us to write […]

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  52. Retired says:

    Reading the NYT is bad for your stress levels.

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  53. Dain says: • Website
    @Mark Minter
    I wonder sometimes if maybe the NYT is maybe some of the most subtle click bait trolls in the internet. I mean the whole Race Together thing was really sort of a disaster and unleashed a lot of potential "Talking Truth to Power" that maybe the "power" really didn't want to hear after all. And as race has been discussed more and more, I don't think "power" is really liking what a good number of people are saying. But the NYT posts these stories and then "click".

    Here's another piece making rounds that ought to do that for the also: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?_r=1&abt=0002&abg=0

    And I can just imagine the talk that this piece will unleash about accounting for those "missing men". And I am amazed that the author of the piece, "JUSTIN WOLFERS, DAVID LEONHARDT and KEVIN QUEALY" (pasted in from the NYT piece which explains the caps) are so naive as to think about the "talking" this piece might unleash. It is another example of another liberal writeup using data about low income, crime, home ownership, education attainment or lack of it, where the answer is right in front their faces, but they just can't connect the dots in the way that is sort of an Occam's Razor obvious sort of thing.

    They say it but they don't say it. "Black men are statistically more likely to be incarcerated" and this big one here: "Homicide, the leading cause of death for young African-American men, plays a large role, and they also die from heart disease, respiratory disease and accidents more often than other demographic groups, including black women."

    Of course the idea that impulsive choices, breaking the law far more than other ethnics groups, lack of physical activity and unhealthy lifestyles, smoking Kools, Newports, crack, blunts, drinking malt liquor, and shooting each other, just might be the result of being stupid. But that never is said as if the obvious connection never occurs to "JUSTIN WOLFERS, DAVID LEONHARDT and KEVIN QUEALY" , our NYT data experts because, of course, White People.

    Then there is this list, which has a special significance that eludes the authors:

    Places with the lowest rates (of black men as a percentage of black population)

    PLACE PCT. BLACK MEN
    Ferguson, Mo. 37.5%
    Shaker Heights, Ohio 38.1%
    Highland Springs, Va. 38.3%
    Westmont, Calif. 38.3%
    Farmington Hills, Mich. 39.0%
    Union City, Ga. 39.1%
    Euclid, Ohio 39.3%
    Oak Park, Mich. 39.3%
    East Chicago, Ind. 39.4%
    Garfield Heights, Ohio 39.6%

    But the significance is obvious to an iSteve reader, no? Section 8 suburbs, where the vouchers are given to women?

    And then if you check the link to the methodology used by the authors, it lists census data. And that contains a conclusion obvious to the iSteve reader, that black men typically could give a crap about a census or are in a situation where it is better than they not be found by probation officers or their baby mama. So then maybe being with a section 8 baby mama other than your baby mama who acts as your front might be the thing to do. So imagine when some census taker knocks at the door of one of those houses.... Or doesn't because it is one of those houses. Or when the data analyst in a meeting suggests a correction factor to be assumed in processing the stats, which surely are estimated or implied using some statistical trick to compensate for the fact that the black residents of Ferguson or East Chicago aren't going to sharpen some pencils and sit down with the census packet to complete it and mail it in a timely manner. And then the data guy suggests a Thug Correction factor? And his manager says "Oh good idea". Yeah that data is real accurate I am sure.

    But hey, let's talk about Race. I wanna.

    “black men typically could give a crap about a census…”

    I actually worked the census back in 2010, in a not-so-great and heavily black neighborhood of Sacramento. The above is absolutely true (though I don’t endorse the “baby mama” stuff…), and at one point I was aggressively told off and called a “white muthafucka” etc. Tense moment in an utterly terrible job that serves as a reminder to increase your skill level and/or go to a great university, lest you wander around under a harsh sun trying to speak with people that’d prefer you go to hell.

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    "I actually worked the census back in 2010, in a not-so-great and heavily black neighborhood of Sacramento. The above is absolutely true (though I don’t endorse the “baby mama” stuff…), and at one point I was aggressively told off and called a “white muthafucka” etc. Tense moment in an utterly terrible job that serves as a reminder to increase your skill level and/or go to a great university, lest you wander around under a harsh sun trying to speak with people that’d prefer you go to hell."

    Why would you as a White person have a negative experience in a Black neighborhood, when according to Johnny Walker Blacks are the most docile peaceful race on the planet.
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  54. syonredux says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Jews were expelled from Recife in 1654, after the Portuguese took it over. Given their outsized role in the sugar industry, it must have ended then, right?

    Jews were expelled from Recife in 1654, after the Portuguese took it over. Given their outsized role in the sugar industry, it must have ended then, right?

    Why?

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  55. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D
    Anti-Semites who would like to make a big deal about Jewish involvement in the slave trade are making mountains out of molehills for this reason alone: there just weren't that many Jews in the New World prior to the great migrations from Eastern Europe of the late 19th century (and an earlier wave of German Jews starting in the 184os). Before that, Jews in the Americas were as rare as hen's teeth. Even if every one of them was a vicious slave driver, you are talking about a total population of a couple of thousand out of millions of Christians in the New World. Even accounting for the Jewish propensity to be disproportionately represented in lucrative trades, there just weren't enough Jews to go around - 99% of the slave traders, plantation owners, etc. had to be non-Jews just as a matter of mathematics.

    ” 99% of the slave traders, plantation owners, etc. had to be non-Jews just as a matter of mathematics.”

    Definitely, the typical average owner of Negroid slaves in the New World was a Goy just like Ben Affleck’s slave owning ancestors.

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  56. josh says:
    @syonredux
    Jack D,

    I don't think that anyone (well, anyone worth listening to) is claiming that Jews controlled the Atlantic Slave Trade.However, they did play a role in it.And, at certain times and in certain places, it was a fairly significant role. For example, as noted in my previous posting, they played a very important part in the development of the sugar trade in Brazil.And the sugar trade was predicated on slave labor.

    There were plenty of early Marrano colonizers relative to the number of Old Christians.

    http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/destination-the-new-world/4/

    “For the right price, ship captains were equally willing to disembark New Christian passengers at secret inlets along the Gulf Mexico south of Veracruz, or on the Honduran coast. [The migration of conversos is important to Jewish history for at least two reasons: 1. Crypto-Jews made up a portion of the converso community. These Jews continued to practice Judaism in secret and often, if the opportunity presented itself, resumed living openly as Jews. 2. Conversos, whether they accepted their new identity as Christians or not, still maintained personal and professional ties with their Jewish families–siblings, cousins, parents, grandparents.]

    Indeed, the infiltration of conversos became something of an influx once the Spanish throne assumed its rule over Portugal in 1580…In the early seventeenth century, between three and five thousand Portuguese New Christians may have departed for the New World. They anticipated important commercial inducements overseas, and they were not disappointed.

    In New Spain, as many as two thousand conversos settled in Mexico City, Guadalajara, Vera Cruz, Puebla, and Guatemala City. In New Castile, approximately the same number of New Christians resided in Lima, Poto Tucuman, and Cordoba. By the 1630s, hardly a town in the Spanish Empire did not shelter at least a scattering of conversos, some of whom migrated as far as New Mexico and Florida.

    Their vocations were no less diverse than in Europe. Among the conve­rsos there were numerous artisans‑-shoemakers, spice‑makers, tailors. Others were ranchers. Several New Christians were priests. One was a bishop. There were converso military officers. The mayor of Tecali was New Christian. Yet, as in Europe, most Sephardim gravitated toward commerce. Several became managers of silver mines. Others were gem-­ and food‑dealers. They played their traditionally decisive role in the im­port‑export market, including the slave trade. Altogether, New Christians were as prominent in the Americas as in Spain, Portugal, or the Nether­lands.”

    Also this:

    “Religious tolerance was important in determining the direction of the flight of many of the Marranos, but also of great importance were the economic and social opportunities available in the various lands open to them at the time of their escape. These opportunities often made it more desirable for Marranos to continue living as secret Jews in Catholic lands, even those under Spanish and Portuguese domination, than to seek a refuge where they could practice Judaism openly. Conversely, in each of the territories where the Marranos appeared, they were allowed to enter and remain because they served definite economic, social, and political ends. In almost every one of their new homes they quickly rose to prominence in international and domestic trade, banking and finance. They helped to establish great national banks and were prominent on the stock exchanges.

    Marranos played an important role in large trading companies, such as the Dutch East Indies and West Indies Companies. They worked in the traffic of such commodities as coral, sugar, tobacco, and precious stones. The Marranos’ common background and culture, their presence in the leading commercial centers, and often their ties of kinship, enabled them to establish an efficient and closely knit international trading organization. Great banking and trading families, such as that founded by Francisco Mendes at Lisbon, had branches throughout Europe. Marranos established manufacturing plants for soap, drugs, and other items, and made signal contributions in minting, handicrafts, armaments, and shipbuilding. The Marranos’ international connections served to stimulate communications between nations and their separate competitive development. In this way the activities of the New Christians fostered the stability of their count”

    You really shouldn’t underestimate the dominance of Marrano crypto-Jews within first Spain, then Portugal, then the Netherlands.

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    You also shouldn't overestimate it, either.
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  57. Jefferson says:
    @Dain
    "black men typically could give a crap about a census…"

    I actually worked the census back in 2010, in a not-so-great and heavily black neighborhood of Sacramento. The above is absolutely true (though I don't endorse the "baby mama" stuff…), and at one point I was aggressively told off and called a "white muthafucka" etc. Tense moment in an utterly terrible job that serves as a reminder to increase your skill level and/or go to a great university, lest you wander around under a harsh sun trying to speak with people that'd prefer you go to hell.

    “I actually worked the census back in 2010, in a not-so-great and heavily black neighborhood of Sacramento. The above is absolutely true (though I don’t endorse the “baby mama” stuff…), and at one point I was aggressively told off and called a “white muthafucka” etc. Tense moment in an utterly terrible job that serves as a reminder to increase your skill level and/or go to a great university, lest you wander around under a harsh sun trying to speak with people that’d prefer you go to hell.”

    Why would you as a White person have a negative experience in a Black neighborhood, when according to Johnny Walker Blacks are the most docile peaceful race on the planet.

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  58. syonredux says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Well, it's a very sensitive topic as to just how many Middle Passage slave ships were owned by Jews.

    The ADL might give one estimate and Farrakhan another.

    Does ownership of ships equal control of the trade? Uh, some control. Obviously.

    Well, it’s a very sensitive topic as to just how many Middle Passage slave ships were owned by Jews.

    The ADL might give one estimate and Farrakhan another.

    Does ownership of ships equal control of the trade? Uh, some control. Obviously.

    It’s a tough area to sort out.Here’s one historian’s verdict:

    “New Christian [i.e., Jewish Conversos] merchants managed to gain control of a sizeable, perhaps major, share of all segments of the Portuguese Atlantic slave trade during the Iberian-dominated phase of the Atlantic system. I have come across no description of the Portuguese slave trade that estimates the relative shares of the various participants in the slave trade by the racial-religious designation, but New Christian families certainly oversaw the movement of a vast number of slaves from Africa to Brazil during its first-century period [1600-1700].”

    Drescher, Seymour”Jews and New Christians in the Atlantic Slave Trade” in The Jews and the Expansion of Europe to the West, 1400-1800, Paolo Bernardini (Ed.), 2004, p 439-484.

    Some numbers:

    “The Portugese dominated the slave trade throughout the 1500s,
    remaining in control of it until at least 1625.” (Faber, 1)

    “The Portugese were responsible for transporting two-fifths, or
    approximately 4,190,000, of all slaves exported from Africa to the
    Americas.”

    “As part of their ascent during the 1600s to economic primacy in
    Europe, going to war first against Portugul and then against England,
    the Dutch also sought to establish as much control as possible over
    the slave trade. From 1640 until 1700, they may have ranked second in
    the slave trade behind Portugul, and they remained active during the
    1700s after the English had surpassed them.”

    “During the succeeding century, England surged ahead and became
    Europe’s largest slave-transporting nation. Between 1730 and 1807,
    Britain shipped almost 2,463,000 slaves to the western hemisphere,
    41.7 percent of all slaves conveyed to the New World during the
    eighteenth century. This enormous enterprise was the work or merchants
    who resided primarily in three ports: London, Bristol, and Liverpool.

    “The majority of England’s slave exports to her own colonies were
    carried to Barbados, Jamaica, and her other islands in the Caribbean.
    The thirteen American colonies received only 21.6 percent. Indeed, the
    American colonies and their successor, the United States of America,
    accounted for six to seven percent of the entire slave trade, or
    715,000 of the more than 11 million people shipped from Africa to the
    western hemisphere between 1510 and 1840, when the transatlantic
    traffic in human beings finally ended.

    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//f/faber.eli/Slavery_and_the_Jews.001

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  59. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    "By the way, it’s not mentioned in the op-ed column (because it’s interesting, and we can have interesting facts distracting from The Narrative), but Mellody Hobson is also Mrs. George Lucas. "

    I love the way the MSM so frequently casually quotes or mentions these extremely privileged and influential individuals as though they're just some average schmucks who could be anyone. It's as though the MSM is just a little party for the people who dominate it (I don't mean Jewish people, really) and all of their friends.

    For instance, I remember quite awhile back Donnie Deutsch had Shoshanna Lonstein on his show, and he described her as someone who had started her business in her parents' home in NYC with no capital, as though she were no different from someone "with a dream" living in a middle class suburb in Ohio. The fact that she was a NYC "it" girl with lots of connections, who had dated Jerry Seinfeld while in high school, was never mentioned, or if it was I missed it and it was certainly not emphasized.

    Again, Hobson was a pretty big deal before she met Lucas, even if most readers here hadn’t heard of her.

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    "Again, Hobson was a pretty big deal before she met Lucas, even if most readers here hadn’t heard of her."

    I understand that, but the article does not in any way convey the degree of her success. When I read the excerpt in which she's mentioned, for some reason I got the impression she was a successful businesswoman more in the mold of say, Janet Reno (not sure why), than of an unusually gorgeous and seemingly glamorous woman who has for a long time lived in the rarefied world of George Lucas and the Obamas. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised since she's on Starbuck's board and is president of Ariel Investments (which I've never heard of), but still I was surprised.

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  60. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Forbes
    It's both simpler and more complex...

    Its hard to imagine a conversation on ‘race’ between two people of different races not dissolving into acrimony even if well intentioned.
     
    It's hard to imagine a conversation on race between two complete strangers not dissolving into acrimony even if well intended.

    That's the dynamic.

    Howard Schultz's effort is so wide of the target it misses the side of the barn. Two strangers will talk about the weather, and little more. Intimate friends will talk about anything they choose. The barista is not an intimate friend, but rather a stranger--hired help paid to be courteous and friendly, but a stranger none the less. That Schultz is in a retail business, yet seemingly unaware of this dynamic is a bit bizarre.

    The relationship between customers and baristas is often a bit more friendly than that, a dynamic Shultz is aware of, and helped foster. Not friendly enough to warrant a discussion about controversial topics though.

    I think Schultz is more idealistic than some here might think. He created a place where all sorts of Americans hangout in peace, and seems to think there’s no problem that can’t be solved if they just put their heads together.

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    He created a place where all sorts of Americans hangout in peace, and seems to think there’s no problem that can’t be solved if they just put their heads together.

    Yes, at first we are supposed to put our heads together until we agree with the views of the Howard Shultzes of the world. If that doesn't do it, he is forced to apply his boot to our face, forever.
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  61. syonredux says: • Website
    @josh
    There were plenty of early Marrano colonizers relative to the number of Old Christians.

    http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/destination-the-new-world/4/

    "For the right price, ship captains were equally willing to disembark New Christian passengers at secret inlets along the Gulf Mexico south of Veracruz, or on the Honduran coast. [The migration of conversos is important to Jewish history for at least two reasons: 1. Crypto-Jews made up a portion of the converso community. These Jews continued to practice Judaism in secret and often, if the opportunity presented itself, resumed living openly as Jews. 2. Conversos, whether they accepted their new identity as Christians or not, still maintained personal and professional ties with their Jewish families–siblings, cousins, parents, grandparents.]

    Indeed, the infiltration of conversos became something of an influx once the Spanish throne assumed its rule over Portugal in 1580…In the early seventeenth century, between three and five thousand Portuguese New Christians may have departed for the New World. They anticipated important commercial inducements overseas, and they were not disappointed.

    In New Spain, as many as two thousand conversos settled in Mexico City, Guadalajara, Vera Cruz, Puebla, and Guatemala City. In New Castile, approximately the same number of New Christians resided in Lima, Poto Tucuman, and Cordoba. By the 1630s, hardly a town in the Spanish Empire did not shelter at least a scattering of conversos, some of whom migrated as far as New Mexico and Florida.

    Their vocations were no less diverse than in Europe. Among the conve­rsos there were numerous artisans‑-shoemakers, spice‑makers, tailors. Others were ranchers. Several New Christians were priests. One was a bishop. There were converso military officers. The mayor of Tecali was New Christian. Yet, as in Europe, most Sephardim gravitated toward commerce. Several became managers of silver mines. Others were gem-­ and food‑dealers. They played their traditionally decisive role in the im­port‑export market, including the slave trade. Altogether, New Christians were as prominent in the Americas as in Spain, Portugal, or the Nether­lands."

    Also this:

    "Religious tolerance was important in determining the direction of the flight of many of the Marranos, but also of great importance were the economic and social opportunities available in the various lands open to them at the time of their escape. These opportunities often made it more desirable for Marranos to continue living as secret Jews in Catholic lands, even those under Spanish and Portuguese domination, than to seek a refuge where they could practice Judaism openly. Conversely, in each of the territories where the Marranos appeared, they were allowed to enter and remain because they served definite economic, social, and political ends. In almost every one of their new homes they quickly rose to prominence in international and domestic trade, banking and finance. They helped to establish great national banks and were prominent on the stock exchanges.

    Marranos played an important role in large trading companies, such as the Dutch East Indies and West Indies Companies. They worked in the traffic of such commodities as coral, sugar, tobacco, and precious stones. The Marranos' common background and culture, their presence in the leading commercial centers, and often their ties of kinship, enabled them to establish an efficient and closely knit international trading organization. Great banking and trading families, such as that founded by Francisco Mendes at Lisbon, had branches throughout Europe. Marranos established manufacturing plants for soap, drugs, and other items, and made signal contributions in minting, handicrafts, armaments, and shipbuilding. The Marranos' international connections served to stimulate communications between nations and their separate competitive development. In this way the activities of the New Christians fostered the stability of their count"

    You really shouldn't underestimate the dominance of Marrano crypto-Jews within first Spain, then Portugal, then the Netherlands.

    You really shouldn’t underestimate the dominance of Marrano crypto-Jews within first Spain, then Portugal, then the Netherlands.

    You also shouldn’t overestimate it, either.

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  62. Jefferson says:

    Steve have you been keeping up with the “Black Lives Matter” AstroTurf movement? Is Baltimore the new most important city in the world? Or maybe not, Baltimore is located the liberal blue state of Maryland and not the KKK Tea Party Republican flyover states.

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  63. Lurker says:
    @D. K.
    Y-HW-H had no problem with the venerable institution of slavery:

    http://www.jewfaq.org/m/613.htm

    Neither did Jesus the Nazarine, as far as I can recall.

    Yet it was Christians who led the fight against slavery.

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    Doubtless, but not in response to any commandment from Y-HW-H, as cited in the Old Testament, nor to any explicit admonition from Jesus Christ, as cited in the New Testament.
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  64. @Dave Pinsen
    The relationship between customers and baristas is often a bit more friendly than that, a dynamic Shultz is aware of, and helped foster. Not friendly enough to warrant a discussion about controversial topics though.

    I think Schultz is more idealistic than some here might think. He created a place where all sorts of Americans hangout in peace, and seems to think there's no problem that can't be solved if they just put their heads together.

    He created a place where all sorts of Americans hangout in peace, and seems to think there’s no problem that can’t be solved if they just put their heads together.

    Yes, at first we are supposed to put our heads together until we agree with the views of the Howard Shultzes of the world. If that doesn’t do it, he is forced to apply his boot to our face, forever.

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    Let's not conflate an idealistic if naive business leader with actual, Orwellian boot-stompers.
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  65. D. K. says:
    @Lurker
    Yet it was Christians who led the fight against slavery.

    Doubtless, but not in response to any commandment from Y-HW-H, as cited in the Old Testament, nor to any explicit admonition from Jesus Christ, as cited in the New Testament.

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  66. By any chance was Schultz a Los Angeles-area Congressman back in the 70s, known for getting into testy exchanges at constituent meetings whenever some local H.S. student would try to stump him with trivia from Robert’s Rules of Order

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  67. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin
    He created a place where all sorts of Americans hangout in peace, and seems to think there’s no problem that can’t be solved if they just put their heads together.

    Yes, at first we are supposed to put our heads together until we agree with the views of the Howard Shultzes of the world. If that doesn't do it, he is forced to apply his boot to our face, forever.

    Let’s not conflate an idealistic if naive business leader with actual, Orwellian boot-stompers.

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  68. @Jack D
    Anti-Semites who would like to make a big deal about Jewish involvement in the slave trade are making mountains out of molehills for this reason alone: there just weren't that many Jews in the New World prior to the great migrations from Eastern Europe of the late 19th century (and an earlier wave of German Jews starting in the 184os). Before that, Jews in the Americas were as rare as hen's teeth. Even if every one of them was a vicious slave driver, you are talking about a total population of a couple of thousand out of millions of Christians in the New World. Even accounting for the Jewish propensity to be disproportionately represented in lucrative trades, there just weren't enough Jews to go around - 99% of the slave traders, plantation owners, etc. had to be non-Jews just as a matter of mathematics.

    Anti-Semites who would like to make a big deal about Jewish involvement in the slave trade are making mountains out of molehills for this reason alone: there just weren’t that many Jews in the New World prior to the great migrations from Eastern Europe of the late 19th century (and an earlier wave of German Jews starting in the 184os). Before that, Jews in the Americas were as rare as hen’s teeth.

    No, they weren’t. They played a leading role from the start, as Columbus and many of his crew were conversos or their descendants. Up until 1630 (when English immigration to New England took off), Jews (including conversos) were probably about 20% of the European population in the New World and, for several decades after that, maybe still 20% of the population of the slave/sugar countries.

    They were a large percentage of the European population in Brazil and other places where the slave trade was important. They were half or more of the population of Recife. Conversos founded and owned Jamaica. They were a third to a half of the European population in Surinam and Curacao. Jews from Recife introduced sugar cultivation to Barbados.

    Here’s one source:

    Jewish history in Brazil dates back to the time of the voyages of Christopher Columbus. Gaspar da Gama, a Jew by birth, but later kidnaped and forcibly baptized, accompanied Portuguese admiral Pedro Alvares Cabral when he landed in what is now Brazil in 1500, beginning a more than 500-year presence in the New World.

    When the Inquisition in Portugal took hold in 1497, Jews fled to places throughout the world, including Brazil. They arrived in Brazil primarily as New Christians or Conversos (Jews converted to Christianity), but many secretly practiced Judaism and began a colonization drive to settle on the land. Despite continued persecution by the Brazilian Inquisition, the New Christians successfully established sugar plantations and mills. By 1624, approximately 50,000 Europeans lived in Brazil, with New Christians making up a significant percentage. They were businessmen, importers, exporters, teachers, writers poets, even priests. In that same year, Dutch forces arrived in Brazil, taking over portions of northeast Brazil. Dutch tolerance allowed for Jewish migration and the open practice of religion. In 1636, Jews built the Kahal Zur synagogue in the Dutch capital of Recife.

    In Dutch Brazil, Jews flourished in the sugar industry, tax farming and slave trade. Jews often purchased slaves and resold them at great profit. Those they kept often preferred to work for Jews because both Shabbat and Sunday were rest days, whereas the Portugese only gave them Sunday off, and the Dutch worked their slaves seven days a week.

    In 1642, Rabbi Isaac Aboab da Fonseca, a well-known Amsterdam rabbi and scholar Moses Raphael d’Aguilar came to Brazil as spiritual leaders to assist the congregations of Kahal Zur in Recife and Magen Abraham in Mauricia. By 1645, the Dutch Jewish population peaked at 1,500, approximately half of the European population there.

    Jews introduced sugar into Jamaica:

    In 1494, a Marrano named Luis de Torres arrived on the island of Jamaica as the interpreter of Christopher Columbus. Jamaica was a Spanish colony from the arrival of Christopher Columbus in 1494 until the British conquest in 1655. Numerous Portuguese Jews first settled in Jamaica during the Spanish colonization. In 1530, the first ship load of Portuguese-Spanish Jews entered Jamaica. They settled in Spanish Town (formerly St. Jago de la Vega), the only operating town at that time. Many of the Jews that arrived were Conversos, fleeing Europe to openly practice Judaism.

    After the British gained control of the island, Jews were permitted to worship in public. In 1660, Jews were granted citizenship by King Charles. Shortly thereafter, in 1662, Jews arrived from Brazil, England (1663), British Guiana (1664), and Surinam (1673). Jewish communities began establishing synagogues, schools, Jewish markets and shops. Most of these immigrants were Sephardim. During the 17th century one of the greatest Sephardic poets of the period, David Lopez Laguna (1635-1730), lived in Jamaica. Laguna is most recognized for converting biblical Psalms into poems. His book of poems, Espejo Fiel de Vidas (“The True Mirror of Life”), was the first book published in Jamaica under British rule in 1720.

    In 1671, the citizens of Jamaica petitioned the British officials to expel the Jewish community from the island, but Governor Lynch opposed this request and it was not enacted. In 1693, however, a special tax was imposed on the Jews. By 1700, Jews were considered second-class citizens because of their religion. In 1703, Jews were forbidden from using Christian servants. Finally, in 1783, Jews were prohibited from holding public office, they were required to work on the Sabbath, and again had to pay extra taxes.

    Despite all of these restrictions, the Jewish community continued to grow and prosper. During the 17th and 18th centuries, Jews were very involved in sugar and vanilla industries of the island. As early as 1530, the Jews had introduced sugar cultivation to the island. They were also leaders in the island’s international trade and shipping companies.

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    No, they weren’t. They played a leading role from the start, as Columbus and many of his crew were conversos or their descendants.
     
    The arguments for Columbus being a Converso/of Converso descent are not very convincing.
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  69. Truth says:
    @Svigor
    Here's a lesson for #RaceTogether:

    Uh-oh, part Duh:

    Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage

    Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

    “If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

    “Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”
     

    Here’s a lesson for #RaceTogether:

    Yes, I agree with you Svigor, the police are too violent.

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  70. Truth says:
    @Forbes

    “Black men are statistically more likely to be incarcerated”
     
    Yes, yes, just that random "statistically more likely" mumbo jumbo. Can't really be explained.

    If it were stated that 1.5 million black men were in prison for committing crimes--well, they would be missing any more. And then, what would be the point of the article, as the missing is no longer a mystery?

    If it were stated that 1.5 million black men were in prison for committing crimes–well, they would be missing any more.

    Technically no one is in jail for “committing crimes”; people go to jail for pleading to, or being convicted of crimes.

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    What was your LSAT score, Zippy?
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  71. Truth says:
    @Anonymous
    Here's an even better idea. How about if every time Gwen Ifill went in for coffee, an employee asked her, "do you realize how fortunate you are to be sitting there getting paid for not understanding the issues and asking banal questions whose answers shed light on nothing?

    Here’s an even better idea. How about if every time Gwen Ifill went in for coffee, an employee asked her, “do you realize how fortunate you are to be sitting there getting paid for not understanding the issues and asking banal questions whose answers shed light on nothing?

    That would require a lot of Starbucks baristas watching PBS news.

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  72. Howard Schultz should launch a $15/hour minimum wage campaign.

    That’d raise wages and disproportionately help minorities.

    Of course, that’d involve actually sacrificing corporate profits and demonstrating bravery. So I don’t think that’ll happen.

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  73. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    If it were stated that 1.5 million black men were in prison for committing crimes–well, they would be missing any more.
     
    Technically no one is in jail for "committing crimes"; people go to jail for pleading to, or being convicted of crimes.

    What was your LSAT score, Zippy?

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    Never took it, took the PSLAT cold a few years ago on a lark and scored 51st percentile.
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  74. Truth says:
    @D. K.
    What was your LSAT score, Zippy?

    Never took it, took the PSLAT cold a few years ago on a lark and scored 51st percentile.

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    I'll bite: What is the PSLAT? Next time, try taking it with a sweater on; then, you will be bound to score higher!
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  75. D. K. says:
    @Truth
    Never took it, took the PSLAT cold a few years ago on a lark and scored 51st percentile.

    I’ll bite: What is the PSLAT? Next time, try taking it with a sweater on; then, you will be bound to score higher!

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  76. Truth says:

    PLSAT

    Hey that was actually an attempt at humor, And it didn’t involve Kierkegaard or Descartes.

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    The joke (if you had not fucked it up) would have been your scoring at the 51st percentile, Zippy.
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  77. syonredux says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    Anti-Semites who would like to make a big deal about Jewish involvement in the slave trade are making mountains out of molehills for this reason alone: there just weren’t that many Jews in the New World prior to the great migrations from Eastern Europe of the late 19th century (and an earlier wave of German Jews starting in the 184os). Before that, Jews in the Americas were as rare as hen’s teeth.
     
    No, they weren't. They played a leading role from the start, as Columbus and many of his crew were conversos or their descendants. Up until 1630 (when English immigration to New England took off), Jews (including conversos) were probably about 20% of the European population in the New World and, for several decades after that, maybe still 20% of the population of the slave/sugar countries.

    They were a large percentage of the European population in Brazil and other places where the slave trade was important. They were half or more of the population of Recife. Conversos founded and owned Jamaica. They were a third to a half of the European population in Surinam and Curacao. Jews from Recife introduced sugar cultivation to Barbados.

    Here's one source:

    Jewish history in Brazil dates back to the time of the voyages of Christopher Columbus. Gaspar da Gama, a Jew by birth, but later kidnaped and forcibly baptized, accompanied Portuguese admiral Pedro Alvares Cabral when he landed in what is now Brazil in 1500, beginning a more than 500-year presence in the New World.

    When the Inquisition in Portugal took hold in 1497, Jews fled to places throughout the world, including Brazil. They arrived in Brazil primarily as New Christians or Conversos (Jews converted to Christianity), but many secretly practiced Judaism and began a colonization drive to settle on the land. Despite continued persecution by the Brazilian Inquisition, the New Christians successfully established sugar plantations and mills. By 1624, approximately 50,000 Europeans lived in Brazil, with New Christians making up a significant percentage. They were businessmen, importers, exporters, teachers, writers poets, even priests. In that same year, Dutch forces arrived in Brazil, taking over portions of northeast Brazil. Dutch tolerance allowed for Jewish migration and the open practice of religion. In 1636, Jews built the Kahal Zur synagogue in the Dutch capital of Recife.

    In Dutch Brazil, Jews flourished in the sugar industry, tax farming and slave trade. Jews often purchased slaves and resold them at great profit. Those they kept often preferred to work for Jews because both Shabbat and Sunday were rest days, whereas the Portugese only gave them Sunday off, and the Dutch worked their slaves seven days a week.

    In 1642, Rabbi Isaac Aboab da Fonseca, a well-known Amsterdam rabbi and scholar Moses Raphael d'Aguilar came to Brazil as spiritual leaders to assist the congregations of Kahal Zur in Recife and Magen Abraham in Mauricia. By 1645, the Dutch Jewish population peaked at 1,500, approximately half of the European population there.
     
    Jews introduced sugar into Jamaica:

    In 1494, a Marrano named Luis de Torres arrived on the island of Jamaica as the interpreter of Christopher Columbus. Jamaica was a Spanish colony from the arrival of Christopher Columbus in 1494 until the British conquest in 1655. Numerous Portuguese Jews first settled in Jamaica during the Spanish colonization. In 1530, the first ship load of Portuguese-Spanish Jews entered Jamaica. They settled in Spanish Town (formerly St. Jago de la Vega), the only operating town at that time. Many of the Jews that arrived were Conversos, fleeing Europe to openly practice Judaism.

    After the British gained control of the island, Jews were permitted to worship in public. In 1660, Jews were granted citizenship by King Charles. Shortly thereafter, in 1662, Jews arrived from Brazil, England (1663), British Guiana (1664), and Surinam (1673). Jewish communities began establishing synagogues, schools, Jewish markets and shops. Most of these immigrants were Sephardim. During the 17th century one of the greatest Sephardic poets of the period, David Lopez Laguna (1635-1730), lived in Jamaica. Laguna is most recognized for converting biblical Psalms into poems. His book of poems, Espejo Fiel de Vidas (“The True Mirror of Life”), was the first book published in Jamaica under British rule in 1720.

    In 1671, the citizens of Jamaica petitioned the British officials to expel the Jewish community from the island, but Governor Lynch opposed this request and it was not enacted. In 1693, however, a special tax was imposed on the Jews. By 1700, Jews were considered second-class citizens because of their religion. In 1703, Jews were forbidden from using Christian servants. Finally, in 1783, Jews were prohibited from holding public office, they were required to work on the Sabbath, and again had to pay extra taxes.

    Despite all of these restrictions, the Jewish community continued to grow and prosper. During the 17th and 18th centuries, Jews were very involved in sugar and vanilla industries of the island. As early as 1530, the Jews had introduced sugar cultivation to the island. They were also leaders in the island’s international trade and shipping companies.
     

    No, they weren’t. They played a leading role from the start, as Columbus and many of his crew were conversos or their descendants.

    The arguments for Columbus being a Converso/of Converso descent are not very convincing.

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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Again, Hobson was a pretty big deal before she met Lucas, even if most readers here hadn't heard of her.

    “Again, Hobson was a pretty big deal before she met Lucas, even if most readers here hadn’t heard of her.”

    I understand that, but the article does not in any way convey the degree of her success. When I read the excerpt in which she’s mentioned, for some reason I got the impression she was a successful businesswoman more in the mold of say, Janet Reno (not sure why), than of an unusually gorgeous and seemingly glamorous woman who has for a long time lived in the rarefied world of George Lucas and the Obamas. I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised since she’s on Starbuck’s board and is president of Ariel Investments (which I’ve never heard of), but still I was surprised.

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    president of Ariel Investments

    Ariel was started by John W. Rodgers Jr., son of an upper crust black woman who had served as a deputy cabinet secretary in the Ford and GWH Bush (i.e. GOP) administrations. I read an interview with Rodgers a quarter of a century ago outlining what he claimed was a new way to identify small, underpriced stocks. I came away thinking, "This could work." And it did for a few years, until Ariel grew too big to make much more money off its original strategy. My vague impression is that since then it has mostly benefit from diversity requirements, but unlike Buddy Fletcher, Rodgers hasn't absconded with his investors money. So it's a pretty legit outfit.

    , @Truth

    than of an unusually gorgeous and seemingly glamorous woman
     
    Hey, two guys on this post have admitted that Melanie Hobson gave them wood.
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  79. @Jack D
    Calm down , John. First of all, Starbucks has now backed away from the whole thing and secondly, Schultz never told his employees what they should say, just that they should "have a conversation about race". Having a genuine conversation about race in America (rather than being lectured at by leftists) is something that is long overdue (and is frankly still impossible, as Schultz found out).

    Regarding taxes, there is a difference between tax evasion, which is illegal, and tax avoidance, which is not. Arranging your affairs in a way that minimizes the amount of taxes that you owe is not only legal, but Schultz would be violating his fiduciary duty to his shareholders if Starbucks was paying more taxes than legally required just because some leftists thought that he should.

    I disagree about the fiduciary duty to minimize taxes. I realize that many (especially management consultants) have used this argument, but I can provide contrary references. For a full listing I need an e-mail address. If you do not want to send an e-mail address, try this (with its links)

    http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2013/09/fiduciary-duties-and-corporate-tax-avoidance.html

    Do you really think that Schultz wanted his fast food employees to discuss openly their views on race (or to be allowed to remain silent in public on the issue) and let the chips fall where they may? If you are right, my concern about their civil rights is misplaced.

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  80. Svigor says:

    Anti-Semites who would like to make a big deal about Jewish involvement in the slave trade are making mountains out of molehills for this reason alone: there just weren’t that many Jews in the New World prior to the great migrations from Eastern Europe of the late 19th century (and an earlier wave of German Jews starting in the 184os). Before that, Jews in the Americas were as rare as hen’s teeth.

    Jewish misanthropes who like to make a big deal out of everything anyone who competes with Jews have ever done throughout history, but ignore Jewish crimes, should look into just how many Jews there were in South America; “rare as hen’s teeth” really doesn’t cut it.

    99% of the slave traders, plantation owners, etc. had to be non-Jews just as a matter of mathematics.

    Right. Jews don’t run the media, finance, etc., because they’re only 2% of the population. It’s just a matter of mathematics.

    I mean, once you subtract out all the Jews in Brazil who were peasants (0), laborers (0), serfs (0), soldiers (0), etc., there’s none left to occupy the .1% or so of the overall population who were slaveholders, amirite? And those few who were slaveholders were obviously forced into becoming rich dealing in flesh by evil humans and their Anti-Semitism.

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  81. Svigor says:

    “Making a big deal out of Jewish slave trade” = Mentioning It. See, any time you criticize Jews, it’s automatically a Big Deal to Jews. Humanity is supposed to sit there and take it up the arse from Jewish critics all day, but when they return the favor, that’s a Big Anti-Semitic Deal.

    See how that works?

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  82. Svigor says:

    Yes, I agree with you Svigor, the police are too violent.

    If blacks made a political stink over how many of their population are being killed by their fellow blacks proportionate to the stink they make over the tiny number of their population being killed by cops, they wouldn’t have any time left over to make a stink about blacks killed by cops. They wouldn’t have time to do anything else, either.

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    If blacks made a political stink over how many of their population are being killed by their fellow blacks proportionate to the stink they make over the tiny number of their population being killed by cops, they wouldn’t have any time left over to make a stink about blacks killed by cops. They wouldn’t have time to do anything else, either.

     

    Well now, that's a bit of a gratuitous stretch, Old Bean, but on the general point, don't think you're alone!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME
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  83. @Anonymous
    "Again, Hobson was a pretty big deal before she met Lucas, even if most readers here hadn’t heard of her."

    I understand that, but the article does not in any way convey the degree of her success. When I read the excerpt in which she's mentioned, for some reason I got the impression she was a successful businesswoman more in the mold of say, Janet Reno (not sure why), than of an unusually gorgeous and seemingly glamorous woman who has for a long time lived in the rarefied world of George Lucas and the Obamas. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised since she's on Starbuck's board and is president of Ariel Investments (which I've never heard of), but still I was surprised.

    president of Ariel Investments

    Ariel was started by John W. Rodgers Jr., son of an upper crust black woman who had served as a deputy cabinet secretary in the Ford and GWH Bush (i.e. GOP) administrations. I read an interview with Rodgers a quarter of a century ago outlining what he claimed was a new way to identify small, underpriced stocks. I came away thinking, “This could work.” And it did for a few years, until Ariel grew too big to make much more money off its original strategy. My vague impression is that since then it has mostly benefit from diversity requirements, but unlike Buddy Fletcher, Rodgers hasn’t absconded with his investors money. So it’s a pretty legit outfit.

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    The fact remains, though, Steve, that the woman is not quoted because of her inestimable expertise. She is only quoted because she is married to a modern Hollywood mogul, who is worth in the neighborhood of five billion dollars! That theirs is the form of miscegenation most cherished by the media-- an alpha White man choosing a Black woman to wed-- is simply gravy for the modern propaganda media.
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  84. D. K. says:
    @Truth
    PLSAT

    Hey that was actually an attempt at humor, And it didn't involve Kierkegaard or Descartes.

    The joke (if you had not fucked it up) would have been your scoring at the 51st percentile, Zippy.

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    The joke (if you had not fucked it up) would have been your scoring at the 51st percentile, Zippy.
     
    I'm getting the faintest whiff of Bi-Polar Disorder, coming from your posts lately, Sheepskin.
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  85. D. K. says:
    @Steve Sailer
    president of Ariel Investments

    Ariel was started by John W. Rodgers Jr., son of an upper crust black woman who had served as a deputy cabinet secretary in the Ford and GWH Bush (i.e. GOP) administrations. I read an interview with Rodgers a quarter of a century ago outlining what he claimed was a new way to identify small, underpriced stocks. I came away thinking, "This could work." And it did for a few years, until Ariel grew too big to make much more money off its original strategy. My vague impression is that since then it has mostly benefit from diversity requirements, but unlike Buddy Fletcher, Rodgers hasn't absconded with his investors money. So it's a pretty legit outfit.

    The fact remains, though, Steve, that the woman is not quoted because of her inestimable expertise. She is only quoted because she is married to a modern Hollywood mogul, who is worth in the neighborhood of five billion dollars! That theirs is the form of miscegenation most cherished by the media– an alpha White man choosing a Black woman to wed– is simply gravy for the modern propaganda media.

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    You don't think her being on the board of directors of Starbucks is relevant to a story about Starbucks?
    , @Truth

    The fact remains, though, Steve, that the woman is not quoted because of her inestimable expertise. She is only quoted because she is married to a modern Hollywood mogul...
     
    Would this be an "educated supposition", or a fact?
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  86. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @D. K.
    The fact remains, though, Steve, that the woman is not quoted because of her inestimable expertise. She is only quoted because she is married to a modern Hollywood mogul, who is worth in the neighborhood of five billion dollars! That theirs is the form of miscegenation most cherished by the media-- an alpha White man choosing a Black woman to wed-- is simply gravy for the modern propaganda media.

    You don’t think her being on the board of directors of Starbucks is relevant to a story about Starbucks?

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    I think that her being on the board of directors of Starbucks is relevant to her being married to multi-billionaire George Lucas-- or, more to the point, vice versa. There are twelve members on the Starbucks Board of Directors. Ten are men and two are women. The other woman, who is of the Asian persuasion, is barely 30; Mrs. Lucas is the second youngest board member, there. Her profile lists no other work experience other than Ariel. Why do you suppose that she is on the board, and why do you suppose that she is the one outside board member chosen to comment?
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  87. D. K. says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    You don't think her being on the board of directors of Starbucks is relevant to a story about Starbucks?

    I think that her being on the board of directors of Starbucks is relevant to her being married to multi-billionaire George Lucas– or, more to the point, vice versa. There are twelve members on the Starbucks Board of Directors. Ten are men and two are women. The other woman, who is of the Asian persuasion, is barely 30; Mrs. Lucas is the second youngest board member, there. Her profile lists no other work experience other than Ariel. Why do you suppose that she is on the board, and why do you suppose that she is the one outside board member chosen to comment?

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    Mrs. Lucas is the second youngest board member, there. Her profile lists no other work experience other than Ariel.
     
    So, loyalty to the corporation that hired one from college is a black mark now? Sheepskin, you must understand; this young woman was a Senior Vice President of a $9m investment firm. By comparison, your greatest decision in life involves which of your 17 corduroy jackets, with suede elbow patches, in varying shades of brown, you will wear with which ascot, whilst lecturing the Ornithological Society of Dayton, Ohio, on the mating habits of the Thick Billed Plover.

    Not that your talents aren't totally necessary, and desired, amongst your social circle.
    , @D. K.
    From Bloomberg:

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    Ms. Mellody Louise Hobson serves as the President at Ariel Investments, LLC. Ms. Hobson also serves as the Chairman of the Board of Trustees at Ariel Investment Trust. Ms. Hobson is responsible for firm-wide management and strategic planning, overseeing all operations outside of research and portfolio management. She served as a Senior Vice President and Director of Marketing at Ariel Capital Management Inc., from 1994 to 2000 and served as its Vice President of Marketing from 1991 to 1994. Ms. Hobson has been the Chairman of the Board of Dreamworks Animation SKG Inc. since October 25, 2012 and as its Director since October 2004 and serves as a Director of World Business Chicago. She has been a Director of Starbucks Corporation since February 2005. She serves as a Member of Advisory Board of Tur Partners LLC and as an Independent Director of The Estée Lauder Companies Inc. since December 17, 2004. She served as a Director of Groupon, Inc. from June 22, 2011 to May 20, 2014. Ms. Hobson served as a Director of Tellabs Inc. from 2002 to April 21, 2005. Ms. Hobson serves as a Director at Chicago Public Education Fund. She is a Trustee of Princeton University. Ms. Hobson is the Chairman of After School Matters. She is a board member of the Lucas Cultural Arts Museum and is on the board of governors of the Investment Company Institute. She is a graduate of Princeton University where she received an A.B. degree from the Woodrow Wilson School of International Relations and Public Policy. Ms. Hobson also received Honorary Doctorate degrees in Humanities from both Howard University and St. Mary’s College.

    ***

    She graduated from Princeton University, with an A.B. from the Woodrow Wilson School of International Relations and Public Policy, in mid-1991, and then joined Ariel, later that same year, as its Vice President of Marketing. What might that suggest?

    , @Dave Pinsen
    She was a Starbucks director before she started dating Lucas.
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  88. Truth says:
    @Anonymous
    "Again, Hobson was a pretty big deal before she met Lucas, even if most readers here hadn’t heard of her."

    I understand that, but the article does not in any way convey the degree of her success. When I read the excerpt in which she's mentioned, for some reason I got the impression she was a successful businesswoman more in the mold of say, Janet Reno (not sure why), than of an unusually gorgeous and seemingly glamorous woman who has for a long time lived in the rarefied world of George Lucas and the Obamas. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised since she's on Starbuck's board and is president of Ariel Investments (which I've never heard of), but still I was surprised.

    than of an unusually gorgeous and seemingly glamorous woman

    Hey, two guys on this post have admitted that Melanie Hobson gave them wood.

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    I just saw her picture. Not even on a very large bet....
    , @Brutusale
    It only means they need to get out more.

    She's on the board because they can't be seen to have too much cream in their corporate coffee. Nothing more.
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  89. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    Yes, I agree with you Svigor, the police are too violent.
     
    If blacks made a political stink over how many of their population are being killed by their fellow blacks proportionate to the stink they make over the tiny number of their population being killed by cops, they wouldn't have any time left over to make a stink about blacks killed by cops. They wouldn't have time to do anything else, either.

    If blacks made a political stink over how many of their population are being killed by their fellow blacks proportionate to the stink they make over the tiny number of their population being killed by cops, they wouldn’t have any time left over to make a stink about blacks killed by cops. They wouldn’t have time to do anything else, either.

    Well now, that’s a bit of a gratuitous stretch, Old Bean, but on the general point, don’t think you’re alone!

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  90. Truth says:
    @D. K.
    The joke (if you had not fucked it up) would have been your scoring at the 51st percentile, Zippy.

    The joke (if you had not fucked it up) would have been your scoring at the 51st percentile, Zippy.

    I’m getting the faintest whiff of Bi-Polar Disorder, coming from your posts lately, Sheepskin.

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    . . . and your having scored one point higher than the average White teenager from a home with a household income of under $20,000, on the SAT, would certainly qualify you to make such a psychiatric diagnosis, eh, Zippy? Remind me, what was your score on the MCAT?
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  91. Truth says:
    @D. K.
    The fact remains, though, Steve, that the woman is not quoted because of her inestimable expertise. She is only quoted because she is married to a modern Hollywood mogul, who is worth in the neighborhood of five billion dollars! That theirs is the form of miscegenation most cherished by the media-- an alpha White man choosing a Black woman to wed-- is simply gravy for the modern propaganda media.

    The fact remains, though, Steve, that the woman is not quoted because of her inestimable expertise. She is only quoted because she is married to a modern Hollywood mogul…

    Would this be an “educated supposition”, or a fact?

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    It is a self-evident Truth. Thank you for asking, though.
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  92. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    than of an unusually gorgeous and seemingly glamorous woman
     
    Hey, two guys on this post have admitted that Melanie Hobson gave them wood.

    I just saw her picture. Not even on a very large bet….

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  93. Truth says:
    @D. K.
    I think that her being on the board of directors of Starbucks is relevant to her being married to multi-billionaire George Lucas-- or, more to the point, vice versa. There are twelve members on the Starbucks Board of Directors. Ten are men and two are women. The other woman, who is of the Asian persuasion, is barely 30; Mrs. Lucas is the second youngest board member, there. Her profile lists no other work experience other than Ariel. Why do you suppose that she is on the board, and why do you suppose that she is the one outside board member chosen to comment?

    Mrs. Lucas is the second youngest board member, there. Her profile lists no other work experience other than Ariel.

    So, loyalty to the corporation that hired one from college is a black mark now? Sheepskin, you must understand; this young woman was a Senior Vice President of a $9m investment firm. By comparison, your greatest decision in life involves which of your 17 corduroy jackets, with suede elbow patches, in varying shades of brown, you will wear with which ascot, whilst lecturing the Ornithological Society of Dayton, Ohio, on the mating habits of the Thick Billed Plover.

    Not that your talents aren’t totally necessary, and desired, amongst your social circle.

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    My four earned university degrees are in History and English (B.A.); Personality & Social Psychology (M.S.); Management & Organization (M.B.A.), and Law (J.D.). I was elected to Phi Kappa Phi and Phi Beta Kappa national academic honor societies, and to the Psi Chi national Psychology honorary, before being offered a full fellowship to graduate-business school. I scored at the 97th percentile on the LSAT, and at the 99th percentile on the GMAT.

    I was a lawyer for nearly fifteen years, working on such cases as the WPPSS default in Washington State (the largest public-bond default in American history, to that point), and the infamous Exxon Valdez oil spill, up in Alaska. I worked as a manager for two Fortune 500 companies. I taught at both the college and university levels (in both Business and Statistics), and at both the undergraduate and graduate levels. I am semi-retired.

    What else would you care to know, Zippy? How are the Kuwaitis treating you? Are they as "broad-minded" as you had heard and hoped?

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  94. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    The joke (if you had not fucked it up) would have been your scoring at the 51st percentile, Zippy.
     
    I'm getting the faintest whiff of Bi-Polar Disorder, coming from your posts lately, Sheepskin.

    . . . and your having scored one point higher than the average White teenager from a home with a household income of under $20,000, on the SAT, would certainly qualify you to make such a psychiatric diagnosis, eh, Zippy? Remind me, what was your score on the MCAT?

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  95. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    The fact remains, though, Steve, that the woman is not quoted because of her inestimable expertise. She is only quoted because she is married to a modern Hollywood mogul...
     
    Would this be an "educated supposition", or a fact?

    It is a self-evident Truth. Thank you for asking, though.

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  96. D. K. says:
    @D. K.
    I think that her being on the board of directors of Starbucks is relevant to her being married to multi-billionaire George Lucas-- or, more to the point, vice versa. There are twelve members on the Starbucks Board of Directors. Ten are men and two are women. The other woman, who is of the Asian persuasion, is barely 30; Mrs. Lucas is the second youngest board member, there. Her profile lists no other work experience other than Ariel. Why do you suppose that she is on the board, and why do you suppose that she is the one outside board member chosen to comment?

    From Bloomberg:

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    Ms. Mellody Louise Hobson serves as the President at Ariel Investments, LLC. Ms. Hobson also serves as the Chairman of the Board of Trustees at Ariel Investment Trust. Ms. Hobson is responsible for firm-wide management and strategic planning, overseeing all operations outside of research and portfolio management. She served as a Senior Vice President and Director of Marketing at Ariel Capital Management Inc., from 1994 to 2000 and served as its Vice President of Marketing from 1991 to 1994. Ms. Hobson has been the Chairman of the Board of Dreamworks Animation SKG Inc. since October 25, 2012 and as its Director since October 2004 and serves as a Director of World Business Chicago. She has been a Director of Starbucks Corporation since February 2005. She serves as a Member of Advisory Board of Tur Partners LLC and as an Independent Director of The Estée Lauder Companies Inc. since December 17, 2004. She served as a Director of Groupon, Inc. from June 22, 2011 to May 20, 2014. Ms. Hobson served as a Director of Tellabs Inc. from 2002 to April 21, 2005. Ms. Hobson serves as a Director at Chicago Public Education Fund. She is a Trustee of Princeton University. Ms. Hobson is the Chairman of After School Matters. She is a board member of the Lucas Cultural Arts Museum and is on the board of governors of the Investment Company Institute. She is a graduate of Princeton University where she received an A.B. degree from the Woodrow Wilson School of International Relations and Public Policy. Ms. Hobson also received Honorary Doctorate degrees in Humanities from both Howard University and St. Mary’s College.

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    She graduated from Princeton University, with an A.B. from the Woodrow Wilson School of International Relations and Public Policy, in mid-1991, and then joined Ariel, later that same year, as its Vice President of Marketing. What might that suggest?

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    She graduated from Princeton University, with an A.B. from the Woodrow Wilson School of International Relations and Public Policy, in mid-1991, and then joined Ariel, later that same year, as its Vice President of Marketing. What might that suggest?

     

    I can tell you what it probably does not suggest...

    "Ariel is a minority owned investment company"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Investments

    Tangential:

    Here's a huge beneficiary of Affirmative-Action, who via a mediocre short film was gifted, with becoming the youngest director ever signed to a long-term deal with a major movie studio. His future lack of achievement showed the hypocrisy in his undeserved deal.

    He was younger than Hobson:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amblin%27
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  97. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @D. K.
    I think that her being on the board of directors of Starbucks is relevant to her being married to multi-billionaire George Lucas-- or, more to the point, vice versa. There are twelve members on the Starbucks Board of Directors. Ten are men and two are women. The other woman, who is of the Asian persuasion, is barely 30; Mrs. Lucas is the second youngest board member, there. Her profile lists no other work experience other than Ariel. Why do you suppose that she is on the board, and why do you suppose that she is the one outside board member chosen to comment?

    She was a Starbucks director before she started dating Lucas.

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    Yes, she was-- and that was not even her first board directorship! Do you suppose that she was being placed on boards, in her early-to-mid thirties, because she was such a genius at marketing-- even without a degree in that subject, and even without one in business per se-- or, might there possibly have been something else, even before George Lucas entered her life, that made her particularly attractive to other corporate managers?

    I am a former attorney, with an M.B.A. in Management & Organization, and I certainly had never heard of Ariel Investments, LLC, until very recently-- because of her, by the way, not because of anything that the firm itself had done. If it were such an impressive firm, and she were such a marketing genius, I would have expected to have learned about it long ago-- especially seeing how I myself am from Chicagoland.

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  98. Truth says:
    @D. K.
    From Bloomberg:

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    Ms. Mellody Louise Hobson serves as the President at Ariel Investments, LLC. Ms. Hobson also serves as the Chairman of the Board of Trustees at Ariel Investment Trust. Ms. Hobson is responsible for firm-wide management and strategic planning, overseeing all operations outside of research and portfolio management. She served as a Senior Vice President and Director of Marketing at Ariel Capital Management Inc., from 1994 to 2000 and served as its Vice President of Marketing from 1991 to 1994. Ms. Hobson has been the Chairman of the Board of Dreamworks Animation SKG Inc. since October 25, 2012 and as its Director since October 2004 and serves as a Director of World Business Chicago. She has been a Director of Starbucks Corporation since February 2005. She serves as a Member of Advisory Board of Tur Partners LLC and as an Independent Director of The Estée Lauder Companies Inc. since December 17, 2004. She served as a Director of Groupon, Inc. from June 22, 2011 to May 20, 2014. Ms. Hobson served as a Director of Tellabs Inc. from 2002 to April 21, 2005. Ms. Hobson serves as a Director at Chicago Public Education Fund. She is a Trustee of Princeton University. Ms. Hobson is the Chairman of After School Matters. She is a board member of the Lucas Cultural Arts Museum and is on the board of governors of the Investment Company Institute. She is a graduate of Princeton University where she received an A.B. degree from the Woodrow Wilson School of International Relations and Public Policy. Ms. Hobson also received Honorary Doctorate degrees in Humanities from both Howard University and St. Mary’s College.

    ***

    She graduated from Princeton University, with an A.B. from the Woodrow Wilson School of International Relations and Public Policy, in mid-1991, and then joined Ariel, later that same year, as its Vice President of Marketing. What might that suggest?

    She graduated from Princeton University, with an A.B. from the Woodrow Wilson School of International Relations and Public Policy, in mid-1991, and then joined Ariel, later that same year, as its Vice President of Marketing. What might that suggest?

    I can tell you what it probably does not suggest…

    “Ariel is a minority owned investment company”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Investments

    Tangential:

    Here’s a huge beneficiary of Affirmative-Action, who via a mediocre short film was gifted, with becoming the youngest director ever signed to a long-term deal with a major movie studio. His future lack of achievement showed the hypocrisy in his undeserved deal.

    He was younger than Hobson:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amblin%27

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    I was not suggesting that she was an Affirmative Action hire. I was suggesting that there was some form of nepotism involved. People straight out of college, at age 22, are rarely given jobs as vice presidents, let alone in areas in which their recent degrees were not germane.
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  99. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    She graduated from Princeton University, with an A.B. from the Woodrow Wilson School of International Relations and Public Policy, in mid-1991, and then joined Ariel, later that same year, as its Vice President of Marketing. What might that suggest?

     

    I can tell you what it probably does not suggest...

    "Ariel is a minority owned investment company"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Investments

    Tangential:

    Here's a huge beneficiary of Affirmative-Action, who via a mediocre short film was gifted, with becoming the youngest director ever signed to a long-term deal with a major movie studio. His future lack of achievement showed the hypocrisy in his undeserved deal.

    He was younger than Hobson:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amblin%27

    I was not suggesting that she was an Affirmative Action hire. I was suggesting that there was some form of nepotism involved. People straight out of college, at age 22, are rarely given jobs as vice presidents, let alone in areas in which their recent degrees were not germane.

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    Networking, not nepotism. Rodgers was a Princeton alumnus. But bear in mind that, at financial firms, "Vice President" isn't a senior title. Even more so at smaller firms, of which Ariel was one at the time.
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  100. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @D. K.
    I was not suggesting that she was an Affirmative Action hire. I was suggesting that there was some form of nepotism involved. People straight out of college, at age 22, are rarely given jobs as vice presidents, let alone in areas in which their recent degrees were not germane.

    Networking, not nepotism. Rodgers was a Princeton alumnus. But bear in mind that, at financial firms, “Vice President” isn’t a senior title. Even more so at smaller firms, of which Ariel was one at the time.

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    Did any of your college friends walk into first jobs, at 22, with the title of "Vice President" attached to them? I cannot recall any of my M.B.A. classmates that were even that lucky, let alone any of the undergraduates that I graduated with from Purdue. I guess that that is what we got for going to such a no-name hick school. Do you suppose that her new boss offered vice presidencies to every Chicagoan who graduated from his own alma mater?
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  101. D. K. says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    She was a Starbucks director before she started dating Lucas.

    Yes, she was– and that was not even her first board directorship! Do you suppose that she was being placed on boards, in her early-to-mid thirties, because she was such a genius at marketing– even without a degree in that subject, and even without one in business per se– or, might there possibly have been something else, even before George Lucas entered her life, that made her particularly attractive to other corporate managers?

    I am a former attorney, with an M.B.A. in Management & Organization, and I certainly had never heard of Ariel Investments, LLC, until very recently– because of her, by the way, not because of anything that the firm itself had done. If it were such an impressive firm, and she were such a marketing genius, I would have expected to have learned about it long ago– especially seeing how I myself am from Chicagoland.

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  102. D. K. says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Networking, not nepotism. Rodgers was a Princeton alumnus. But bear in mind that, at financial firms, "Vice President" isn't a senior title. Even more so at smaller firms, of which Ariel was one at the time.

    Did any of your college friends walk into first jobs, at 22, with the title of “Vice President” attached to them? I cannot recall any of my M.B.A. classmates that were even that lucky, let alone any of the undergraduates that I graduated with from Purdue. I guess that that is what we got for going to such a no-name hick school. Do you suppose that her new boss offered vice presidencies to every Chicagoan who graduated from his own alma mater?

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    Do you suppose that her new boss offered vice presidencies to every Chicagoan who graduated from his own alma mater?
     
    Well I like the fact that you are using question marks here. I guess my presence has been influential.

    BTW; thanks for adding logic, Dave.

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  103. Truth says:
    @D. K.
    Did any of your college friends walk into first jobs, at 22, with the title of "Vice President" attached to them? I cannot recall any of my M.B.A. classmates that were even that lucky, let alone any of the undergraduates that I graduated with from Purdue. I guess that that is what we got for going to such a no-name hick school. Do you suppose that her new boss offered vice presidencies to every Chicagoan who graduated from his own alma mater?

    Do you suppose that her new boss offered vice presidencies to every Chicagoan who graduated from his own alma mater?

    Well I like the fact that you are using question marks here. I guess my presence has been influential.

    BTW; thanks for adding logic, Dave.

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    So let me surmise your issue here, Sheepskin:

    A rich woman marries a wealthy man, and receives a career boost from it, and for some reason this offends you?

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    What was her net worth when she started dating her now-husband? What was her net worth when they decided to get married (presumably only because she had gotten pregnant, since they announced their engagement in January 2013, got married in late June of 2013, and had their child in August of 2013)? If she was rich before they met, she presumably got markedly richer, over the subsequent seven years, helped along by being a famous Hollywood mogul's girlfriend; and, obviously, she got a lot richer still by finally getting him to marry her, presumably by getting pregnant.

    I am not opposed to women marrying up the social scale; it is the natural order of things. I am offended, however, by people's professional standing rising because they marry moguls. What exactly have been her actual accomplishments as a businesswoman? I do not mean what titles and remunerations she has been given; I mean what great business things has she done to demonstrate her supposed competence and worth? What great things is Ariel Investments known for, other than for its being a Black firm? What great things has she added to the companies on whose boards she sits, other than outspokenly supporting Starbuck's inane RaceTogether initiative? Is it possible that her high position owes more to whom she has known, these past twenty-five years or so, than to what she knows? Even before she met her mogul-husband, did her knowing people like the Obamas happen to help her career prospects any, in addition to raising her social status?

    Call it nepotism or call it networking; yes, it bothers me.
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  105. D. K. says:
    @Truth
    So let me surmise your issue here, Sheepskin:

    A rich woman marries a wealthy man, and receives a career boost from it, and for some reason this offends you?

    What was her net worth when she started dating her now-husband? What was her net worth when they decided to get married (presumably only because she had gotten pregnant, since they announced their engagement in January 2013, got married in late June of 2013, and had their child in August of 2013)? If she was rich before they met, she presumably got markedly richer, over the subsequent seven years, helped along by being a famous Hollywood mogul’s girlfriend; and, obviously, she got a lot richer still by finally getting him to marry her, presumably by getting pregnant.

    I am not opposed to women marrying up the social scale; it is the natural order of things. I am offended, however, by people’s professional standing rising because they marry moguls. What exactly have been her actual accomplishments as a businesswoman? I do not mean what titles and remunerations she has been given; I mean what great business things has she done to demonstrate her supposed competence and worth? What great things is Ariel Investments known for, other than for its being a Black firm? What great things has she added to the companies on whose boards she sits, other than outspokenly supporting Starbuck’s inane RaceTogether initiative? Is it possible that her high position owes more to whom she has known, these past twenty-five years or so, than to what she knows? Even before she met her mogul-husband, did her knowing people like the Obamas happen to help her career prospects any, in addition to raising her social status?

    Call it nepotism or call it networking; yes, it bothers me.

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  106. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    Mrs. Lucas is the second youngest board member, there. Her profile lists no other work experience other than Ariel.
     
    So, loyalty to the corporation that hired one from college is a black mark now? Sheepskin, you must understand; this young woman was a Senior Vice President of a $9m investment firm. By comparison, your greatest decision in life involves which of your 17 corduroy jackets, with suede elbow patches, in varying shades of brown, you will wear with which ascot, whilst lecturing the Ornithological Society of Dayton, Ohio, on the mating habits of the Thick Billed Plover.

    Not that your talents aren't totally necessary, and desired, amongst your social circle.

    My four earned university degrees are in History and English (B.A.); Personality & Social Psychology (M.S.); Management & Organization (M.B.A.), and Law (J.D.). I was elected to Phi Kappa Phi and Phi Beta Kappa national academic honor societies, and to the Psi Chi national Psychology honorary, before being offered a full fellowship to graduate-business school. I scored at the 97th percentile on the LSAT, and at the 99th percentile on the GMAT.

    I was a lawyer for nearly fifteen years, working on such cases as the WPPSS default in Washington State (the largest public-bond default in American history, to that point), and the infamous Exxon Valdez oil spill, up in Alaska. I worked as a manager for two Fortune 500 companies. I taught at both the college and university levels (in both Business and Statistics), and at both the undergraduate and graduate levels. I am semi-retired.

    What else would you care to know, Zippy? How are the Kuwaitis treating you? Are they as “broad-minded” as you had heard and hoped?

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    Well that's very impressive, Sheepskin, you should be proud of yourself. I have two degrees, but as I have told my family, if I had it all to do over again, I would have dropped out and got my GED at 16.

    I did not come to Q8 in hopes that the locals would be "broad-minded" I came because I was offered a high salary, tax, and basically, expense free, in an exotic locale.

    The Kuwaitis have a reputation region-wide for being arrogant, and generally unimpressive, and I have seen nothing that contradicts this, although as with all populations there are good and bad.

    In term of your subtext, I have traveled fairly extensively, and an African-American is received one of two ways overseas:

    1) As African

    2) As American

    In Kuwait I am American, which means that my treatment, from what I've seen, does not differ much from what you would be able to expect.
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  107. Truth says:
    @D. K.
    My four earned university degrees are in History and English (B.A.); Personality & Social Psychology (M.S.); Management & Organization (M.B.A.), and Law (J.D.). I was elected to Phi Kappa Phi and Phi Beta Kappa national academic honor societies, and to the Psi Chi national Psychology honorary, before being offered a full fellowship to graduate-business school. I scored at the 97th percentile on the LSAT, and at the 99th percentile on the GMAT.

    I was a lawyer for nearly fifteen years, working on such cases as the WPPSS default in Washington State (the largest public-bond default in American history, to that point), and the infamous Exxon Valdez oil spill, up in Alaska. I worked as a manager for two Fortune 500 companies. I taught at both the college and university levels (in both Business and Statistics), and at both the undergraduate and graduate levels. I am semi-retired.

    What else would you care to know, Zippy? How are the Kuwaitis treating you? Are they as "broad-minded" as you had heard and hoped?

    Well that’s very impressive, Sheepskin, you should be proud of yourself. I have two degrees, but as I have told my family, if I had it all to do over again, I would have dropped out and got my GED at 16.

    I did not come to Q8 in hopes that the locals would be “broad-minded” I came because I was offered a high salary, tax, and basically, expense free, in an exotic locale.

    The Kuwaitis have a reputation region-wide for being arrogant, and generally unimpressive, and I have seen nothing that contradicts this, although as with all populations there are good and bad.

    In term of your subtext, I have traveled fairly extensively, and an African-American is received one of two ways overseas:

    1) As African

    2) As American

    In Kuwait I am American, which means that my treatment, from what I’ve seen, does not differ much from what you would be able to expect.

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  108. Brutusale says:
    @Truth

    than of an unusually gorgeous and seemingly glamorous woman
     
    Hey, two guys on this post have admitted that Melanie Hobson gave them wood.

    It only means they need to get out more.

    She’s on the board because they can’t be seen to have too much cream in their corporate coffee. Nothing more.

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    I think you got that idiom backwards, Bro.
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  109. Truth says:
    @Brutusale
    It only means they need to get out more.

    She's on the board because they can't be seen to have too much cream in their corporate coffee. Nothing more.

    I think you got that idiom backwards, Bro.

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  110. Brutusale says:

    Idiom reversal is EXACTLY how I meant it, Yo.

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