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One of the more high-class Broadway musicals to debut recently was “Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812,” which is based on one segment in Tolstoy’s War and Peace.

It worked its way up from a small theater way off Broadway. The New York Times reviewer liked it better than Hamilton. It earned the most Tony nominations this year.

And, with singer Josh Groban playing Pierre, who more or less represents Tolstoy’s point of view in War and Peace, it did good business.

But then Groban left the role.

With Okieriete Onaodowan, from the cast of Hamilton, now playing Pierre / Tolstoy, ticket sales have been down significantly.

So the producers announced that Broadway legend Mandy Patinkin (best known to moviegoers as Spanish swordsman Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride) would play Pierre / Tolstoy for three weeks to boost sales.

But …

From the New York Times:

‘Great Comet’ Casting Shakeup
By MICHAEL PAULSON JULY 27, 2017

The Broadway legend Mandy Patinkin said Friday he was canceling a plan to join the cast of “Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812” after an uproar on social media over the fact that the show brought in Mr. Patinkin, who is white, to replace an African-American actor, Okieriete “Oak” Onaodowan. …

“So sorry to have missed the racial optics of it,” the show’s creator, Dave Malloy said on Twitter Friday. …

Although producers periodically replace lesser-known performers with big-name actors in the hopes of selling more tickets, the move at “The Great Comet” prompted outrage among some black actors.

… And the production is among the most diverse on Broadway, with an African-American actress, Denée Benton, playing Natasha, and multiple other nonwhite actors in the company. (This month, Actors’ Equity gave the show an award for “extraordinary excellence in diversity on Broadway.”)

But some performers argued that the casting change reflects a larger problem in the entertainment business. The move “raises questions about how Black actors are valued and supported within Broadway,” declared the website BroadwayBlack.

And today:

‘Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812’ to Close on Broadway
By JOSHUA BARONE AUG. 8, 2017

“Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812,” the Broadway musical that had more Tony Award nominations than any other last season, will close on Sept. 3 after struggling to overcome a recent casting controversy, the show’s producers announced on Tuesday.

Once you go black, it’s hard these days to get permission to go back. Even with a War and Peace musical about Russia in 1812.

 
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  1. Ed says:

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway?
     
    Get WOKE, bigot. Pushkin was 12.5% Black. RUSSIA WAS BUILT ON BLACK BODIES

    http://ethnicelebs.com/alexander-pushkin

    #BlackRussianLivesMatter
    , @Johann Ricke

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.
     
    Worked for Hamilton just fine. My guess is the people making production decisions - like others in will-o'-the-wisp businesses - worship at the church of what's working at this exact moment. Hamilton was doing land office business, so maybe the magic was in putting blacks in white roles.

    Nobody truly knows for any sustained length of time, what works in showbiz. So they throw stuff at the wall hoping that something sticks. Mandy Patinkin was their fallback when the Hamilton shtick failed. Too bad the black lead had to screw things up for the rest of the cast. Unless he's some kind of out-of-this-world talent, he probably also put the kibosh on his own career.
    , @StillCARealist
    Honestly, if I went to a show about 19th c. Russian/Austrian/French wars and saw a lot of black leads, I'd get the affirmative action reaction. It would mess up the show for me since I'd be a little irritated at the blatant anti-whiteness going on.

    Also, women really like Josh Groban. Who the heck was that other guy... oka..koka... something?
    , @Mark F.
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  2. Anonym says:

    Patinkin should be used to disappointment by now.

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    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Talked to him once in Ben & Jerry on 3rd Ave... nice guy!
  3. Ivy says:

    Scorched stage defense, brilliant.
    Coming soon to a theatre near, maybe even a silver screen, if you can still say that.

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  4. Clyde says:

    We knew about this weeks ago while you were visiting our great National Monuments. Mandy Patinkin and Homeland. Skip all seasons of Homeland except for season five. This takes place in Berlin and the Middle East. Useless stupid peacenik NGOs, murderous Russians, murderous Arabs, the usual Homeland female emoting sessions (over nothing) are cut to the minimum. This is the most guy oriented season of Homeland. A high and justifiable body count. A few car wrecks.

    I did not watch season six I knew it would s%$@.

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  5. Njguy73 says:

    Being Jewish and from the NYC area, I know lots of women of certain ages who are theater buffs and Mandy Patinkin fans, dating back to Evita. They’re as liberal as all get-out, but when identity politics denies them Mandy Patinkin, they get pissed.

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  6. I guess Mandy decided he’d rather go for SJW sainthood than another Tony.

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  7. newrouter says:

    “an African-American actor, Okieriete “Oak” Onaodowan. …”

    no cultural appropriation here oh no for a play about russia.

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  8. Off topic but Julian Assange is tweeting about the declining white population and democratic identity politics leading to ethnic block voting.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    He RT'd me today for about ten minutes before someone pointed out my highly non-kosher username lol
  9. We Calvinists have just completed our annual USA trip. We made a stop in NYC late last month, and were thinking of lining up for last-minute tickets to a Broadway show. ‘Natasha, et al.’ was near the top of our list, as we’d just watched and enjoyed the recent BBC ‘War and Peace’ miniseries.

    In the end, we did a family survey and determined that none of us was really all that keen on paying even half price or less of the ridiculous ticket tariffs. I feel pretty good about that decision in retrospect.

    In our visit to Sioux County, however, we visited some peers of mine who’d just been to Chicago to see the traveling version of ‘Hamilton’. They’re far from rich, but they thought it was totally worth it. Mom and young-adult daughters in this family seem to have the whole musical memorized.

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    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    "In our visit to Sioux County, however, we visited some peers of mine who’d just been to Chicago to see the traveling version of ‘Hamilton’. They’re far from rich, but they thought it was totally worth it. Mom and young-adult daughters in this family seem to have the whole musical memorized."

    *Hamilton* can be heard, complete, with lyrics, on YouTube

    Commercial crap. Dancing with the Stars, America's got Talent level stuff.

  10. Maybe they could get a Black actor to play Tolstoy pretending to be play Pushkin?

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  11. syonredux says:
    @Ed
    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway?

    Get WOKE, bigot. Pushkin was 12.5% Black. RUSSIA WAS BUILT ON BLACK BODIES

    http://ethnicelebs.com/alexander-pushkin

    #BlackRussianLivesMatter

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    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    I know you are just joking but American one drop rules can get a bit ridiculous, like how people who are phenotypically white can be labeled 'black' or 'passing/believing they are white' because they have one black ancestor somewhere in the bloodline. For all of Latin America's problems I think their racial classifications are more sensible.
    , @Alden
    Are the SJWs now claiming Pushkin wrote War and Peace?
  12. @Ed
    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.

    Worked for Hamilton just fine. My guess is the people making production decisions – like others in will-o’-the-wisp businesses – worship at the church of what’s working at this exact moment. Hamilton was doing land office business, so maybe the magic was in putting blacks in white roles.

    Nobody truly knows for any sustained length of time, what works in showbiz. So they throw stuff at the wall hoping that something sticks. Mandy Patinkin was their fallback when the Hamilton shtick failed. Too bad the black lead had to screw things up for the rest of the cast. Unless he’s some kind of out-of-this-world talent, he probably also put the kibosh on his own career.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    the magic was in putting blacks in white roles
     
    That's been the game since at least I Spy (Reconstruction?). How better to prove white Godhood than to recreate the Black in his own image?
    , @utu
    Too bad the black lead had to screw things up for the rest of the cast.

    They have talent for it.
    , @Jack D
    They already had that angle covered. The female lead was already fashionably black even before this whole brouhaha started.
  13. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer

    OT: Dreamers gotta dream.

    Feds: Marriage between Hawaii soldier, Slovakian bodybuilder a sham

    HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow)

    Federal immigration officials say the marriage of a Hawaii-based soldier and an award-winning, amateur female bodybuilder with an expired visa is a sham.

    Nikoleta Perinova, 24, a citizen of Slovakia, was arrested last week for allegedly marrying the soldier, Emanuel Casas, to dodge immigration laws.

    Court documents show say both admitted that the Oct. 7, 2015, marriage was a “fraudulent” one.

    Perinova told a federal investigator, under oath, that the two never lived together, never had sex, and that she is in a romantic relationship with another person. The federal criminal complaint also shows that last month, Casas admitted that Perinova was a friend of a friend’s girlfriend.

    He reported that their first date was at the Cheesecake Factory and while there, she asked if they could get married to help her get a green card.

    He also said that they never consummated the marriage.

    In exchange for the union, he says Perinova explained that he would get money and additional military benefits.

    Army public affairs official told Hawaii News Now that Casas, who is assigned to Schofield Barracks, has pleaded guilty in a military court martial proceeding. He was sentenced to hard labor for 14 days.

    Perinova’s next court hearing is scheduled for next month.

    Attorney Gary Singh, who specializes in immigration law but is not associated with this case, said “sham” marriages make it more difficult for the clients he represents who are in legitimate relationships and deserve green cards.

    Singh classifies the soldier’s role in the “sham” marriage as fraud, and he also said that the marriage posed a security risk — since Perinova had access to base.

    “The benefits, they get health insurance, housing all of that, plus he’s in the military he takes the oath to uphold the law and he’s breaking the law,” he said.

    Perinova was originally in United States on a work visa.

    “They come here legally and then they really want to stay, and the U.S. immigration laws are very tough,” Singh said.

    Perinova is out on bail, wearing a tracking monitor.

    So even after admitting all she’s still here pursuing her dream.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Hard Labor is a great punishment. Needs to make a comeback.
    , @Lurker
    How brave of Hawaii News Now to focus on a Slovakian gaming the system. Luckily more vibrant demographics would never do such a thing.
  14. Does this mean that when Whoopi Goldberg (and later in the run David Allen Grier) took over for Nathan Lane in the revival of A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum (in the Pseudolus role originated by Zero Mostel) that the lead (a Roman slave) must now always be black?

    Zero actually would be laughing his guts up about that.

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  15. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I saw “Les Miserables” on Broadway in 1995 when unbeknownst to me Melba Moore, who is African American, was playing Fantine, the lead female character. She played the mother of young, white Cosette, and I simply could not suspend my disbelief. The show was an unfortunate disappointment. I really wish Broadway wouldn’t do this kind of inaccurate casting.

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    • Replies: @CAL2
    I'll play a little Devil's advocate. If you only cast on historical lines, POC's aren't going to have many options with a lot of plays or any movie set before mid-20th century. The roles will be limited to servants, slaves, stewards, etc. That means Moore's options of roles in theater are going to much more limited.

    The more serious problem today is basically the rule that blacks can play any role and whites can only play white roles unless a black has previously played that role. Then it is forever a black role. In a sane society, the choice would be made between historical role casting or non-historical role casting. If the latter was chosen, it would be clear to everyone that it was non-historical role casting for job availability purposes. Of course we don't live in a sane society because multi-cultural societies cannot be sane.
    , @midtown
    I saw a local theater put on Les Miserables a year or two ago. Jean Valjean was played by a black guy -- a good actor with a great voice. Nevertheless, it was extremely difficult to suspend disbelief.
  16. eah says:

    after struggling to overcome a recent casting controversy

    wtf does that mean…that it was blm’d to death?

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  17. songbird says:

    Disney is also doing this on the big screen. Lin Manuel-Miranda is playing a British lamplighter in the new Mary Poppins movie. At best, in the right light, he could pass for a Sephardic Jew.

    Of course, the recent remake of “Beauty and the Beast” had a mixed cast, which is kind of ironic. Depending on what time you would place the story, with a make-up like that and population trends like France has now, it would probably prevent the story from being written in 1740, if the magic was historical and part of the same timeline. At best, France would be involved in a horrendous civil war.

    They may have started it before, but I first noticed it in Frozen, which had many nonwhites in the background in the throne room. Not really in line with the sailing ship level of technology.

    One thing that is pretty weird but also very predictable is all the black stars they are using for the Lion King remake. There were a few Indians in the new Jungle Book, but one could argue that was more about marketing the film.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    The Jungle Book is set in India and its characters are in fact Indian; it is a case of existing rôles for Persons of Many Colours in adapting a great work of literature.

    Of course, it took a British man to write it. And if a white man were to portray Mowgli all Hell would break lose, contra not a peep about Negro Fantine, Mud People Founding Father, etc....
  18. @eah
    after struggling to overcome a recent casting controversy

    wtf does that mean...that it was blm'd to death?

    Yes.

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  19. @syonredux

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway?
     
    Get WOKE, bigot. Pushkin was 12.5% Black. RUSSIA WAS BUILT ON BLACK BODIES

    http://ethnicelebs.com/alexander-pushkin

    #BlackRussianLivesMatter

    I know you are just joking but American one drop rules can get a bit ridiculous, like how people who are phenotypically white can be labeled ‘black’ or ‘passing/believing they are white’ because they have one black ancestor somewhere in the bloodline. For all of Latin America’s problems I think their racial classifications are more sensible.

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    • Replies: @anonymous

    For all of Latin America’s problems I think their racial classifications are more sensible.
     
    The point of the one-drop rule was to prevent miscegenation thereby keeping the white population overwhelming white. In that respect it worked. Steve has posted some studies showing the average white American is something like 98 percent European.

    Latin American whites have on average have significantly more non-European ancestry.

    As for Latin American classifications, they get pretty complex.
  20. inertial says:

    If they want to make a musical about a black man set in Imperial Russia they can make one about Abram Petrovich Gannibal. For highbrow prestige of Russian classic literature, they can use Pushkin’s novel as the source material.

    The only problem with this idea is that if the actor who plays Peter the Great does a decent job he will steal every single scene.

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  21. anon says: • Disclaimer

    The New York Times reviewer liked it better than Hamilton.

    He’s lucky he didn’t get fired for that by itself.

    the move at “The Great Comet” prompted outrage among some black actors.

    Boy, I bet that’s hard to do.

    I wish they would have replaced him with the great Arsenio Hall. I’d go to see that.

    What I really wish is that they could have replaced Onaodowan with Arsenio, and another actor with Eddie Murphy, and then figured out a way to do rapid-fire costume changes and have them both play several characters, like in the barbershop scenes in Coming To America.

    I’ve never read War & Peace, so I don’t know if there are any barbershop scenes in the book, but I don’t see why they couldn’t stick a few in the play to make it more artistic. Now that I think about it, I know there are like a hundred characters in it, so I feel like they could probably save a bunch of money by replacing a whole bunch of them with Arsenio and Eddie Murphy in different costumes, and make it a better play at the same time.

    I need to become some kind of consultant for Broadway. I know how to please an audience.

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    • Replies: @anon
    And a car chase. With lots of crashes.
    , @Stan Adams
    Coming to America came out in 1988 - long ago and far away.

    Eddie Murphy's movie-career trajectory:

    48 Hrs. -> Beverly Hills Cop -> Coming to America -> The Nutty Professor -> Pluto Nash -> Meet Dave

    For every Coming to America barbershop scene, Eddie has had five (or ten) Nutty Professor 2: The Klumps garage scenes:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvaTVV7yO4

    Does he still make movies? (I don't keep up with Hollyweird nooz.)
  22. Glossy says: • Website

    Pierre does not represent Tolstoy. Nobody there does. I think Natasha’s brother and prince Andrey’s sister were kind of written as Tolstoy’s parents.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think you are mixing up characters. Natasha's brother doesn't appear in the play at all. Prince Andrey's sister Mary is a spinster who lives with her crazy father Prince Bolkonsky.

    The only brother/sister pair we see are Pierre's wife and Anatole, Natasha's seducer.
  23. jjbees says:

    I suspect the popularity of historical dramas (Downton Abbey, Vikings, Game of Thrones, Mad Men) is a boon to writers and directors who want to avoid diversity casting.

    But appendix b to the zeroth amendment is that all (formerly) white things must be made non-white. Whiteness itself is proof of guilt.

    Apropos – I’m still waiting on cricket to pick up in the U.S. I tried finding a league to play in in my part of the U.S. – there are many college teams exclusively made up of indians, so I looked for public leagues, which seemed to have some older white british ex-pats who ended up in the U.S. looking to hold on to a piece of the old country, but the young bloods were all indians, so I gave up. Rugby is pretty white in the U.S., though.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    I'm sure the popularity of Downton Abbey, Mad Men and the endless re runs of Friends, Frasier, Cheers, Seinfield, The Nanny is because White people like to watch other White people.
    , @Altai

    Apropos – I’m still waiting on cricket to pick up in the U.S. I tried finding a league to play in in my part of the U.S. – there are many college teams exclusively made up of indians, so I looked for public leagues, which seemed to have some older white british ex-pats who ended up in the U.S. looking to hold on to a piece of the old country, but the young bloods were all indians, so I gave up. Rugby is pretty white in the U.S., though.
     
    Try your local GAA association, there are multiple levels of competition in Europe and though they always get started by Irish expats some places (Stockholm and Malmo for example...) now have majority native participation and I wonder now if it isn't for the same reason as you, to find an organised sport free from 'diversity'. Very interesting if true. Are the places with high native participation the same as places with lots of arabs and blacks? I think I'll have to investigate that.
    , @slumber_j
    Joseph O'Neill's novel Netherland is good on the subject of cricket in NYC. I liked it and all his other novels a lot. Then there's Blood Dark Track: A Family History, a great memoir about tracking down information on his two super-sketchy jailbird grandfathers, one Turkish and the other Irish.

    Anyway, the cricket stuff in Netherland is good.
    , @Stan Adams
    Americans play baseball, not cricket.
  24. AndrewR says:
    @Vermont Apple
    Off topic but Julian Assange is tweeting about the declining white population and democratic identity politics leading to ethnic block voting.

    He RT’d me today for about ten minutes before someone pointed out my highly non-kosher username lol

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  25. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    The New York Times reviewer liked it better than Hamilton.

    He's lucky he didn't get fired for that by itself.

    the move at “The Great Comet” prompted outrage among some black actors.
     
    Boy, I bet that's hard to do.

    I wish they would have replaced him with the great Arsenio Hall. I'd go to see that.

    What I really wish is that they could have replaced Onaodowan with Arsenio, and another actor with Eddie Murphy, and then figured out a way to do rapid-fire costume changes and have them both play several characters, like in the barbershop scenes in Coming To America.

    I've never read War & Peace, so I don't know if there are any barbershop scenes in the book, but I don't see why they couldn't stick a few in the play to make it more artistic. Now that I think about it, I know there are like a hundred characters in it, so I feel like they could probably save a bunch of money by replacing a whole bunch of them with Arsenio and Eddie Murphy in different costumes, and make it a better play at the same time.

    I need to become some kind of consultant for Broadway. I know how to please an audience.

    And a car chase. With lots of crashes.

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    • Replies: @Kylie
    And lots of white women chasing them.

    Blonde white women.
  26. Alden says:
    @syonredux

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway?
     
    Get WOKE, bigot. Pushkin was 12.5% Black. RUSSIA WAS BUILT ON BLACK BODIES

    http://ethnicelebs.com/alexander-pushkin

    #BlackRussianLivesMatter

    Are the SJWs now claiming Pushkin wrote War and Peace?

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    • Replies: @Jake
    Wasn't Pushkin only 1/16th African? And as is the case now, back then persons who were only, say, a quarter black African were accorded with being fully black African. So it easily possible that Pushkin was no more than 1/32nd or 1/64th black.

    What is most interesting to me is that Russians had a literature long before Pushkin was born, the first Russian generation to be nearly totally Liberal in its intellectual and artistic classes, that of the 1850s, proclaimed a contemporary who had 1 slave ancestor that came out of the Moslem world as the father of Russian literature. White Liberals everywhere seem to romanticize blacks and denigrate their own people.

    Perhaps if I could read Russian I would think a bit differently, but nothing I've read of Pushkin's comes close to Nikolai Gogol's Dead Souls or even his The Inspector General. Taras Bulba I think is more historically significant than anything Pushkin worte.
    , @guest
    No, but what's the difference? If one famous Russian literary artist is black, he can be typical or representative, or whatever, of all Russian writers. All Russians, in fact.

    Check out what's happening with classical historian Mary Beard and her quixotic attempt to pretend a black Roman and his family are "typical" Britons. Black because he's from Africa and all Africans are and were pitch-black subsaharans.
  27. “So sorry to have missed the racial optics of it,” the show’s creator, Dave Malloy said on Twitter Friday. …

    It should be obvious by now that apologizing is the wrong move here. SJWs smell blood in the water when you start groveling, but if you stand your ground they eventually lose interest. Your character will be assassinated either way, so why debase yourself?

    Trump’s understanding of this was a large part of his success last year.

    Once you go black, it’s hard these days to get permission to go back. Even with a War and Peace musical about Russia in 1812.

    “We wuz czars!”

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  28. Alden says:
    @jjbees
    I suspect the popularity of historical dramas (Downton Abbey, Vikings, Game of Thrones, Mad Men) is a boon to writers and directors who want to avoid diversity casting.

    But appendix b to the zeroth amendment is that all (formerly) white things must be made non-white. Whiteness itself is proof of guilt.

    Apropos - I'm still waiting on cricket to pick up in the U.S. I tried finding a league to play in in my part of the U.S. - there are many college teams exclusively made up of indians, so I looked for public leagues, which seemed to have some older white british ex-pats who ended up in the U.S. looking to hold on to a piece of the old country, but the young bloods were all indians, so I gave up. Rugby is pretty white in the U.S., though.

    I’m sure the popularity of Downton Abbey, Mad Men and the endless re runs of Friends, Frasier, Cheers, Seinfield, The Nanny is because White people like to watch other White people.

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  29. Jake says:

    Broadway services Satan on a daily basis, and not just in regard to race. Just Say NO to Broadway and Hollywood and NYC book publishing.

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  30. @songbird
    Disney is also doing this on the big screen. Lin Manuel-Miranda is playing a British lamplighter in the new Mary Poppins movie. At best, in the right light, he could pass for a Sephardic Jew.

    Of course, the recent remake of "Beauty and the Beast" had a mixed cast, which is kind of ironic. Depending on what time you would place the story, with a make-up like that and population trends like France has now, it would probably prevent the story from being written in 1740, if the magic was historical and part of the same timeline. At best, France would be involved in a horrendous civil war.

    They may have started it before, but I first noticed it in Frozen, which had many nonwhites in the background in the throne room. Not really in line with the sailing ship level of technology.

    One thing that is pretty weird but also very predictable is all the black stars they are using for the Lion King remake. There were a few Indians in the new Jungle Book, but one could argue that was more about marketing the film.

    The Jungle Book is set in India and its characters are in fact Indian; it is a case of existing rôles for Persons of Many Colours in adapting a great work of literature.

    Of course, it took a British man to write it. And if a white man were to portray Mowgli all Hell would break lose, contra not a peep about Negro Fantine, Mud People Founding Father, etc….

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Like Bruce Reitherman?

    Apparently Sino-Hawaiians are okay too.
  31. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous
    OT: Dreamers gotta dream.

    Feds: Marriage between Hawaii soldier, Slovakian bodybuilder a sham

    HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow)

    Federal immigration officials say the marriage of a Hawaii-based soldier and an award-winning, amateur female bodybuilder with an expired visa is a sham.

    Nikoleta Perinova, 24, a citizen of Slovakia, was arrested last week for allegedly marrying the soldier, Emanuel Casas, to dodge immigration laws.

    Court documents show say both admitted that the Oct. 7, 2015, marriage was a "fraudulent" one.

    Perinova told a federal investigator, under oath, that the two never lived together, never had sex, and that she is in a romantic relationship with another person. The federal criminal complaint also shows that last month, Casas admitted that Perinova was a friend of a friend's girlfriend.

    He reported that their first date was at the Cheesecake Factory and while there, she asked if they could get married to help her get a green card.

    He also said that they never consummated the marriage.

    In exchange for the union, he says Perinova explained that he would get money and additional military benefits.

    Army public affairs official told Hawaii News Now that Casas, who is assigned to Schofield Barracks, has pleaded guilty in a military court martial proceeding. He was sentenced to hard labor for 14 days.

    Perinova's next court hearing is scheduled for next month.

    Attorney Gary Singh, who specializes in immigration law but is not associated with this case, said "sham" marriages make it more difficult for the clients he represents who are in legitimate relationships and deserve green cards.

    Singh classifies the soldier's role in the "sham" marriage as fraud, and he also said that the marriage posed a security risk -- since Perinova had access to base.

    "The benefits, they get health insurance, housing all of that, plus he's in the military he takes the oath to uphold the law and he's breaking the law," he said.

    Perinova was originally in United States on a work visa.

    "They come here legally and then they really want to stay, and the U.S. immigration laws are very tough," Singh said.

    Perinova is out on bail, wearing a tracking monitor.
     
    So even after admitting all she's still here pursuing her dream.

    Hard Labor is a great punishment. Needs to make a comeback.

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  32. Jake says:
    @Alden
    Are the SJWs now claiming Pushkin wrote War and Peace?

    Wasn’t Pushkin only 1/16th African? And as is the case now, back then persons who were only, say, a quarter black African were accorded with being fully black African. So it easily possible that Pushkin was no more than 1/32nd or 1/64th black.

    What is most interesting to me is that Russians had a literature long before Pushkin was born, the first Russian generation to be nearly totally Liberal in its intellectual and artistic classes, that of the 1850s, proclaimed a contemporary who had 1 slave ancestor that came out of the Moslem world as the father of Russian literature. White Liberals everywhere seem to romanticize blacks and denigrate their own people.

    Perhaps if I could read Russian I would think a bit differently, but nothing I’ve read of Pushkin’s comes close to Nikolai Gogol’s Dead Souls or even his The Inspector General. Taras Bulba I think is more historically significant than anything Pushkin worte.

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    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    Several points:

    a) Pushkin didn't have any slave ancestors.

    b) He's billed as 'the father of Russian literature' because he's the first poet to write highly complex works in a highly fluent and modern diction.

    c) Tradition holds that one of his ancestors was an Ethiopian 'Moor', not an African negro.

    d) Him being a poet, his works don't translate anyways.
    , @inertial
    No, Pushkin really is that good. He was recognized as a towering figure during his lifetime and his ancestry had nothing to do with it. But you do have to know Russian to truly appreciate what is special about him. It's about what he does with language. No one else before or since comes close to him.
  33. guest says:

    Eh, I never liked Pierre anyway. They should do a play about Prince Andrei. He was the man.

    Natasha is a good character, but she two-timed my man Andrei, so screw her.

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  34. guest says:
    @Alden
    Are the SJWs now claiming Pushkin wrote War and Peace?

    No, but what’s the difference? If one famous Russian literary artist is black, he can be typical or representative, or whatever, of all Russian writers. All Russians, in fact.

    Check out what’s happening with classical historian Mary Beard and her quixotic attempt to pretend a black Roman and his family are “typical” Britons. Black because he’s from Africa and all Africans are and were pitch-black subsaharans.

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  35. Even in Downton Abbey, they found a way to have one of the chief female characters date both a rich young Jew and a sexy black entertainer.

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  36. Kylie says:
    @anon
    And a car chase. With lots of crashes.

    And lots of white women chasing them.

    Blonde white women.

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  37. @Johann Ricke

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.
     
    Worked for Hamilton just fine. My guess is the people making production decisions - like others in will-o'-the-wisp businesses - worship at the church of what's working at this exact moment. Hamilton was doing land office business, so maybe the magic was in putting blacks in white roles.

    Nobody truly knows for any sustained length of time, what works in showbiz. So they throw stuff at the wall hoping that something sticks. Mandy Patinkin was their fallback when the Hamilton shtick failed. Too bad the black lead had to screw things up for the rest of the cast. Unless he's some kind of out-of-this-world talent, he probably also put the kibosh on his own career.

    the magic was in putting blacks in white roles

    That’s been the game since at least I Spy (Reconstruction?). How better to prove white Godhood than to recreate the Black in his own image?

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  38. Whiskey says: • Website

    The whole Black thing is a function of power. Who has it? Black people? Or more likely, White women who are far larger in number, loom higher in cultural power, and make all sorts of excuses for Black bad behavior and exalt all things Black?

    Just as Oligarchs and political dynasties like the Bushes and Clintons imported foreign ringers in their endless wars against influence and existence by working and middle class Whites; so too have White women enlisted Blacks, men and women alike, in their endless war against White Beta males who offend their very being by being interested in Baseball stats, science, logic, reason, and all things that are anti-tingle for the lady parts.

    I’ll note in the very White male centric NFL, Colin Kaepernick is out of a job, even the Miami Dolphins did not hire him instead choosing retired Jake Cutler for one year at $10 million. [Kaepernick's Fidel love is probably a plus in Miami now, sadly, given young exile Cubans love of the Castro family and general uber-liberalism if you believe polling.] Broadway is not exactly White male central and Google is there to serve Blue Haired Feminists in their jihad against Straight White Males.

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  39. utu says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.
     
    Worked for Hamilton just fine. My guess is the people making production decisions - like others in will-o'-the-wisp businesses - worship at the church of what's working at this exact moment. Hamilton was doing land office business, so maybe the magic was in putting blacks in white roles.

    Nobody truly knows for any sustained length of time, what works in showbiz. So they throw stuff at the wall hoping that something sticks. Mandy Patinkin was their fallback when the Hamilton shtick failed. Too bad the black lead had to screw things up for the rest of the cast. Unless he's some kind of out-of-this-world talent, he probably also put the kibosh on his own career.

    Too bad the black lead had to screw things up for the rest of the cast.

    They have talent for it.

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  40. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Hyperborean
    I know you are just joking but American one drop rules can get a bit ridiculous, like how people who are phenotypically white can be labeled 'black' or 'passing/believing they are white' because they have one black ancestor somewhere in the bloodline. For all of Latin America's problems I think their racial classifications are more sensible.

    For all of Latin America’s problems I think their racial classifications are more sensible.

    The point of the one-drop rule was to prevent miscegenation thereby keeping the white population overwhelming white. In that respect it worked. Steve has posted some studies showing the average white American is something like 98 percent European.

    Latin American whites have on average have significantly more non-European ancestry.

    As for Latin American classifications, they get pretty complex.

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    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    The problem is that it bolsters the population of those disgruntled with the status quo. I think a tiered caste system and a 'divide and conquer' policy would help.

    If the American lighter skinned Mulattoes (and Quadroons, Octoroons etc.) were considered (and importantly considered themselves) superior to full-blacks and darker-skinned Mulattoes, they would be less likely to lump their lots in with swarthier protesters.

    Of course this is probably a moot point since, due to historical events, the population of American blacks are too homogeneous and the population of mixed offspring too small to create that distinction.

    While the Coalition of the Fringes could probably be broken down into several pieces and made part of a larger hierarchal caste system, someone would first need to abolish the illusion that everything will work as long as one attacks productive whites.

    Even when Latin American pardos climb the ranks they tend 'whiten' (marry whites, have off-white children etc.) and align with the White-Arab-Jewish Latin American ruling classes.

    No system is perfect, but considering how Latin American whites tend to land on their feet it seems decent.
  41. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I saw the comet at the ART in Cambridge and it didn’t leave much of an impression.

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  42. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Blacks test each white person for conservatism/strength. If you fail the test then they know they can guilt trip you and dominate you.

    If you pass the test and stand strong –reject their aggression– then they move on and won’t spend any energy on manipulating you.

    Obviously blacks are now just marauding around Broadway having their way with weak whites. They crashed a perfectly good show just because they could. It was a delicious display of black power.

    If anyone with any balls whatsoever had stood up to them then this never would’ve been the outcome.

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  43. CAL2 says:
    @Anonymous
    I saw "Les Miserables" on Broadway in 1995 when unbeknownst to me Melba Moore, who is African American, was playing Fantine, the lead female character. She played the mother of young, white Cosette, and I simply could not suspend my disbelief. The show was an unfortunate disappointment. I really wish Broadway wouldn't do this kind of inaccurate casting.

    I’ll play a little Devil’s advocate. If you only cast on historical lines, POC’s aren’t going to have many options with a lot of plays or any movie set before mid-20th century. The roles will be limited to servants, slaves, stewards, etc. That means Moore’s options of roles in theater are going to much more limited.

    The more serious problem today is basically the rule that blacks can play any role and whites can only play white roles unless a black has previously played that role. Then it is forever a black role. In a sane society, the choice would be made between historical role casting or non-historical role casting. If the latter was chosen, it would be clear to everyone that it was non-historical role casting for job availability purposes. Of course we don’t live in a sane society because multi-cultural societies cannot be sane.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    If I am a theater goer paying (richly) to be entertained, it's not my job to act as an employment agency for black actors. Old women, ugly women, fat women, etc. also have problems getting jobs on Broadway even if they have great voices - should these be cast as ingenues too so that they can get a fair shot at all the jobs?

    Also, if we are supposed to suspend our disbelief that the Mother Superior in the Sound of Music is a black lady, why does it only work one way? If we can have an all brown Hamilton, why can't we have an all white Fences or Raisin in the Sun? Somehow, "color-blind" casting only works one way.
    , @Desiderius

    the rule
     
    Some Beauties yet, no Precepts can declare,
    For there's a Happiness as well as Care.
    Musick resembles Poetry, in each
    Are nameless Graces which no Methods teach,
    And which a Master-Hand alone can reach.
    If, where the Rules not far enough extend,
    (Since Rules were made but to promote their End)
    Some Lucky LICENCE answers to the full
    Th' Intent propos'd, that Licence is a Rule.
    Thus Pegasus, a nearer way to take,
    May boldly deviate from the common Track.
    Great Wits sometimes may gloriously offend,
    And rise to Faults true Criticks dare not mend;
    From vulgar Bounds with brave Disorder part,
    And snatch a Grace beyond the Reach of Art,
    Which, without passing thro' the Judgment, gains
    The Heart, and all its End at once attains.
  44. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    A shame, really. Saw the show Off-Broadway years ago and it was good.

    Haven’t seen Hamilton and doubt that I will, at least any time soon. Maybe when it makes its way to the regional touring stage, or a high-school near me…

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  45. @AndrewR
    He RT'd me today for about ten minutes before someone pointed out my highly non-kosher username lol

    What’s your username?

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  46. Moses says:

    B-b-but…we’re always told that “race doesn’t matter.”

    SJWs don’t want you to notice race except, of course, when they do.

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  47. @anonymous

    For all of Latin America’s problems I think their racial classifications are more sensible.
     
    The point of the one-drop rule was to prevent miscegenation thereby keeping the white population overwhelming white. In that respect it worked. Steve has posted some studies showing the average white American is something like 98 percent European.

    Latin American whites have on average have significantly more non-European ancestry.

    As for Latin American classifications, they get pretty complex.

    The problem is that it bolsters the population of those disgruntled with the status quo. I think a tiered caste system and a ‘divide and conquer’ policy would help.

    If the American lighter skinned Mulattoes (and Quadroons, Octoroons etc.) were considered (and importantly considered themselves) superior to full-blacks and darker-skinned Mulattoes, they would be less likely to lump their lots in with swarthier protesters.

    Of course this is probably a moot point since, due to historical events, the population of American blacks are too homogeneous and the population of mixed offspring too small to create that distinction.

    While the Coalition of the Fringes could probably be broken down into several pieces and made part of a larger hierarchal caste system, someone would first need to abolish the illusion that everything will work as long as one attacks productive whites.

    Even when Latin American pardos climb the ranks they tend ‘whiten’ (marry whites, have off-white children etc.) and align with the White-Arab-Jewish Latin American ruling classes.

    No system is perfect, but considering how Latin American whites tend to land on their feet it seems decent.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Despite the one-drop rule, if you look at successful blacks throughout American history, they're overwhelmingly mulatto. I tend to think that's not just because they were genetically superior, but because there was a social incentive to "act white" to get ahead, at which the mixed were naturally better. The Grand Switch came in the 60s, when suddenly identifying with blackness was advantageous.

    As for divide and conquer, if you know anything about intra-black culture, you already know skin tone is a Big Thing. I lost track of how many middle-class black movies have a scene about clubs, fraternities, sororities, etc. having a "paper bag test," and Wesley Snipes vs. Halle Berry (or pick your own example)-type comparisons are all over their entertainment. I don't care about serious intrablack discussions, so I don't follow them. But I'm sure they're full of the same stuff.

    There's no caste system or anything, but used to be minorities sought to emulate the dominant culture/racial group. If that's not the case anymore, it's not because we were too insistent on making blacks all of a piece back in the day.
  48. I hope this is an omen of things to come for the Democratic party. Post-Obama all Democratic candidates will have to be Black. It’s either Black or nuthin (which in practice means nuthin).

    By the way, did you see Assange on identity politics and the Democrats?

    http://whitegenocideproject.com/julian-assange-will-gop-become-stop-white-genocide-party/

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  49. Altai says:
    @jjbees
    I suspect the popularity of historical dramas (Downton Abbey, Vikings, Game of Thrones, Mad Men) is a boon to writers and directors who want to avoid diversity casting.

    But appendix b to the zeroth amendment is that all (formerly) white things must be made non-white. Whiteness itself is proof of guilt.

    Apropos - I'm still waiting on cricket to pick up in the U.S. I tried finding a league to play in in my part of the U.S. - there are many college teams exclusively made up of indians, so I looked for public leagues, which seemed to have some older white british ex-pats who ended up in the U.S. looking to hold on to a piece of the old country, but the young bloods were all indians, so I gave up. Rugby is pretty white in the U.S., though.

    Apropos – I’m still waiting on cricket to pick up in the U.S. I tried finding a league to play in in my part of the U.S. – there are many college teams exclusively made up of indians, so I looked for public leagues, which seemed to have some older white british ex-pats who ended up in the U.S. looking to hold on to a piece of the old country, but the young bloods were all indians, so I gave up. Rugby is pretty white in the U.S., though.

    Try your local GAA association, there are multiple levels of competition in Europe and though they always get started by Irish expats some places (Stockholm and Malmo for example…) now have majority native participation and I wonder now if it isn’t for the same reason as you, to find an organised sport free from ‘diversity’. Very interesting if true. Are the places with high native participation the same as places with lots of arabs and blacks? I think I’ll have to investigate that.

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  50. A black stopping Patinkin from playing a pseudo-Pushkin sounds awfully Potemkin (I guess it takes a village).

    joe

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  51. @Jake
    Wasn't Pushkin only 1/16th African? And as is the case now, back then persons who were only, say, a quarter black African were accorded with being fully black African. So it easily possible that Pushkin was no more than 1/32nd or 1/64th black.

    What is most interesting to me is that Russians had a literature long before Pushkin was born, the first Russian generation to be nearly totally Liberal in its intellectual and artistic classes, that of the 1850s, proclaimed a contemporary who had 1 slave ancestor that came out of the Moslem world as the father of Russian literature. White Liberals everywhere seem to romanticize blacks and denigrate their own people.

    Perhaps if I could read Russian I would think a bit differently, but nothing I've read of Pushkin's comes close to Nikolai Gogol's Dead Souls or even his The Inspector General. Taras Bulba I think is more historically significant than anything Pushkin worte.

    Several points:

    a) Pushkin didn’t have any slave ancestors.

    b) He’s billed as ‘the father of Russian literature’ because he’s the first poet to write highly complex works in a highly fluent and modern diction.

    c) Tradition holds that one of his ancestors was an Ethiopian ‘Moor’, not an African negro.

    d) Him being a poet, his works don’t translate anyways.

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  52. midtown says:
    @Anonymous
    I saw "Les Miserables" on Broadway in 1995 when unbeknownst to me Melba Moore, who is African American, was playing Fantine, the lead female character. She played the mother of young, white Cosette, and I simply could not suspend my disbelief. The show was an unfortunate disappointment. I really wish Broadway wouldn't do this kind of inaccurate casting.

    I saw a local theater put on Les Miserables a year or two ago. Jean Valjean was played by a black guy — a good actor with a great voice. Nevertheless, it was extremely difficult to suspend disbelief.

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  53. Jack D says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.
     
    Worked for Hamilton just fine. My guess is the people making production decisions - like others in will-o'-the-wisp businesses - worship at the church of what's working at this exact moment. Hamilton was doing land office business, so maybe the magic was in putting blacks in white roles.

    Nobody truly knows for any sustained length of time, what works in showbiz. So they throw stuff at the wall hoping that something sticks. Mandy Patinkin was their fallback when the Hamilton shtick failed. Too bad the black lead had to screw things up for the rest of the cast. Unless he's some kind of out-of-this-world talent, he probably also put the kibosh on his own career.

    They already had that angle covered. The female lead was already fashionably black even before this whole brouhaha started.

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  54. This story is a perfect metaphor for society at large:
    Whites build something nice
    Whites let blacks participate
    The nice something starts to fail
    Whites are brought in to try to fix the problem
    Blacks throw a fit and shut it down
    The nice something ceases to exist

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    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Clark Westwood
    Alternative version:

    Whites build something nice
    Whites let blacks participate
    The nice something starts to fail
    Whites move on and build something else nice
    Blacks follow whites to the new nice thing
    Repeat ad nauseam.
  55. Jack D says:
    @CAL2
    I'll play a little Devil's advocate. If you only cast on historical lines, POC's aren't going to have many options with a lot of plays or any movie set before mid-20th century. The roles will be limited to servants, slaves, stewards, etc. That means Moore's options of roles in theater are going to much more limited.

    The more serious problem today is basically the rule that blacks can play any role and whites can only play white roles unless a black has previously played that role. Then it is forever a black role. In a sane society, the choice would be made between historical role casting or non-historical role casting. If the latter was chosen, it would be clear to everyone that it was non-historical role casting for job availability purposes. Of course we don't live in a sane society because multi-cultural societies cannot be sane.

    If I am a theater goer paying (richly) to be entertained, it’s not my job to act as an employment agency for black actors. Old women, ugly women, fat women, etc. also have problems getting jobs on Broadway even if they have great voices – should these be cast as ingenues too so that they can get a fair shot at all the jobs?

    Also, if we are supposed to suspend our disbelief that the Mother Superior in the Sound of Music is a black lady, why does it only work one way? If we can have an all brown Hamilton, why can’t we have an all white Fences or Raisin in the Sun? Somehow, “color-blind” casting only works one way.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    The whole idea is pretty silly. Are we going to forbid productions of Shakespeare in Hong Kong or Colombo? Chesterton somewhere points out the folly of insisting Othello be played by an actual black man.

    Here in America it is (or ought to be) a free country-- whatever sells, sells. Apparently, though, that's not enough.
    , @Mark F.
    Old, ugly women (and men) are cast in opera all the time if they have good voices. An accepted convention.
  56. Jack D says:
    @Glossy
    Pierre does not represent Tolstoy. Nobody there does. I think Natasha's brother and prince Andrey's sister were kind of written as Tolstoy's parents.

    I think you are mixing up characters. Natasha’s brother doesn’t appear in the play at all. Prince Andrey’s sister Mary is a spinster who lives with her crazy father Prince Bolkonsky.

    The only brother/sister pair we see are Pierre’s wife and Anatole, Natasha’s seducer.

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    • Replies: @Glossy
    I was talking about the novel. I would never see such trash as a Broadway musical.
  57. TheOldOne says:

    You’re all hopelessly addicted to mass media; nuke Broadway; throw your tv in the trash; READ BOOKS! Read Tolstoy!

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  58. Old women, ugly women, fat women, etc. also have problems getting jobs on Broadway even if they have great voices – should these be cast as ingenues too so that they can get a fair shot at all the jobs?

    Sort of OT — opera-goers are of course used to seeing roles played by singers who bear absolutely no resemblance to the character. There isn’t enough talent for producers to choose from; if you find someone who can handle the singing, is in your price range, and can kinda sorta act a little, you usually take that person. You might get lucky and find someone who, in addition to all that, is not absurdly overweight, but even that can be asking a lot. In opera, nobody bats an eye at black parents of white kids, white parents of black kids, Chinese pharaohs, and black princesses of 15th-century Spain (among the many iterations I’ve seen).

    (I would add that even top-notch opera is a much better bargain than Broadway.)

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    A major reason what works in opera does ot in straight theatre is opera's heavily stylised conventions; realism is not expected in a form of art whose foundation is people singing everything they day in sophisticated melodies.

    Hedda Gabler is another animal.

    Aside from the outwardly directed racism against whites that demands the one-way ratchet (Negroes in Ring 'Round the Moon but no Europeans allowed in Fences is the inteispective racism of self-pity undergirding so much such drama: Wilson's work, A Raisin in the Sun, and any number of other so-called mama-on-the-couch plays are all "blackety black black" and obsessed with the protagonists wallowing in how the Man is keeping them down (cf. In Living Color's brilliant "Mama, please don't eat dat guvmint cheese..." skit for well deserved mockery of this self-obsessed phenomeneon in so-called black drama).
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Do yourself a favor someday and go see an opera at the Met in NYC. You can get a good seat for about $200, and the sets, the music and especially the singing is spectacular.
  59. @Clement Pulaski
    This story is a perfect metaphor for society at large:
    Whites build something nice
    Whites let blacks participate
    The nice something starts to fail
    Whites are brought in to try to fix the problem
    Blacks throw a fit and shut it down
    The nice something ceases to exist

    Alternative version:

    Whites build something nice
    Whites let blacks participate
    The nice something starts to fail
    Whites move on and build something else nice
    Blacks follow whites to the new nice thing
    Repeat ad nauseam.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    There may be another step:

    Whites build something nice
    Whites let blacks participate
    The nice something starts to fail
    Whites are blamed for the failure
    Whites move on and build something else nice
    Blacks follow whites to the new nice thing
    Repeat ad nauseam.
  60. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    If I am a theater goer paying (richly) to be entertained, it's not my job to act as an employment agency for black actors. Old women, ugly women, fat women, etc. also have problems getting jobs on Broadway even if they have great voices - should these be cast as ingenues too so that they can get a fair shot at all the jobs?

    Also, if we are supposed to suspend our disbelief that the Mother Superior in the Sound of Music is a black lady, why does it only work one way? If we can have an all brown Hamilton, why can't we have an all white Fences or Raisin in the Sun? Somehow, "color-blind" casting only works one way.

    The whole idea is pretty silly. Are we going to forbid productions of Shakespeare in Hong Kong or Colombo? Chesterton somewhere points out the folly of insisting Othello be played by an actual black man.

    Here in America it is (or ought to be) a free country– whatever sells, sells. Apparently, though, that’s not enough.

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  61. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Live theatre can be weird. Sometimes a “race neutral” cast is annoying, sometimes it isn’t. If it’s a black actor in an obviously white role their skin color might not be distracting but black mannerisms might be (though most directors seem well aware of this). If the actor is great then it’s easy to understand why they were cast. If they aren’t that great (relative to the rest of the cast) you spend the whole performance wondering if the director cast them just “to make a point.” My first experience with race neutral casting was actually a white actress in a black role. I was distracted by it all the way up until her first solo, when it became clear she was cast because she was ten times better than anyone else in the show.

    People who don’t see much live theatre might think the idea of race neutral casting is just a bunch of PC. It can be. But live theatre isn’t like movie or television, where you expect a little more realism. Acceptance of race neutral casting choices depends on the context. It’s easy to accept in a show that is obviously fantasy. I would be fine with, say, a black Mary Poppins. It’s harder to accept in something more historical, and sometimes confounding. A black actor dating a white woman in, say, a show set and written in the early 1900s leads you to wonder whether a mixed race couple was the author’s original intent or something the director threw in there just because.

    But the whole kerfuffle over “Great Comet” doesn’t do race neutral casting any favors. The obvious response, going forward, is to not do race neutral casting. If it’s just going to be a huge shitstorm when you try to replace a black actor then why bother?

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    • Replies: @Bill B.
    The producers deserve their theatrical crash by miscasting someone with a noticeably and undeniably flat voice (whose claim to fame was a successful spell as a one member of a troop of chanting Fantoccini) in a musical about character-rich Russians.

    He can't inject any life into this piece of poetry fluff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btXOgYpVTOc

    At best I would class him in hero's-kooky-friend or annoying-cousin type roles.

    This seems to me another case in the 'entertainment' world where someone of limited talent is fawned upon up until the point where his or her inadequacies are undeniable.

  62. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Autochthon
    The Jungle Book is set in India and its characters are in fact Indian; it is a case of existing rôles for Persons of Many Colours in adapting a great work of literature.

    Of course, it took a British man to write it. And if a white man were to portray Mowgli all Hell would break lose, contra not a peep about Negro Fantine, Mud People Founding Father, etc....

    Like Bruce Reitherman?

    Apparently Sino-Hawaiians are okay too.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    You'd have to ask a race-hustling Indian; I don't much keep track of granular divisions amongst these alien peoples I'd assumed they used an Indian because it is the Current Year. (I also don't much keep track of Hollywood's latest bastardisations of great literature.)
  63. slumber_j says:
    @jjbees
    I suspect the popularity of historical dramas (Downton Abbey, Vikings, Game of Thrones, Mad Men) is a boon to writers and directors who want to avoid diversity casting.

    But appendix b to the zeroth amendment is that all (formerly) white things must be made non-white. Whiteness itself is proof of guilt.

    Apropos - I'm still waiting on cricket to pick up in the U.S. I tried finding a league to play in in my part of the U.S. - there are many college teams exclusively made up of indians, so I looked for public leagues, which seemed to have some older white british ex-pats who ended up in the U.S. looking to hold on to a piece of the old country, but the young bloods were all indians, so I gave up. Rugby is pretty white in the U.S., though.

    Joseph O’Neill’s novel Netherland is good on the subject of cricket in NYC. I liked it and all his other novels a lot. Then there’s Blood Dark Track: A Family History, a great memoir about tracking down information on his two super-sketchy jailbird grandfathers, one Turkish and the other Irish.

    Anyway, the cricket stuff in Netherland is good.

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  64. inertial says:
    @Jake
    Wasn't Pushkin only 1/16th African? And as is the case now, back then persons who were only, say, a quarter black African were accorded with being fully black African. So it easily possible that Pushkin was no more than 1/32nd or 1/64th black.

    What is most interesting to me is that Russians had a literature long before Pushkin was born, the first Russian generation to be nearly totally Liberal in its intellectual and artistic classes, that of the 1850s, proclaimed a contemporary who had 1 slave ancestor that came out of the Moslem world as the father of Russian literature. White Liberals everywhere seem to romanticize blacks and denigrate their own people.

    Perhaps if I could read Russian I would think a bit differently, but nothing I've read of Pushkin's comes close to Nikolai Gogol's Dead Souls or even his The Inspector General. Taras Bulba I think is more historically significant than anything Pushkin worte.

    No, Pushkin really is that good. He was recognized as a towering figure during his lifetime and his ancestry had nothing to do with it. But you do have to know Russian to truly appreciate what is special about him. It’s about what he does with language. No one else before or since comes close to him.

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  65. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Related: As I predicted, the Dems will never nominate a white person again (another lesson Hilary refuses to take). They’d rather close the whole show down (metaphorically) than “go back”.

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  66. Old Jew says:

    “During the Cold War”

    John is the best graduate of the CIA Russian program.
    Preparation is very careful and it shows. The flight deep into the Russian interior goes by unnoticed. The parachute opens at the right time. John lands safely,at the predetermined point. Buries his parachute,walks slowly and carefully to the nearest village. First person he meets, is this old Woman.

    = Zdrastvuy Babushka, is it far to Ivanovka?

    – Welcome American Spy!

    – What are you talking? – Is it my accent?

    - No, Your Russian is great!

    - My clothes?

    - No, they are exactly what the Ivanovka store is has been carrying for the last 10 years.

    - What is it then?, asks John.

    - Look at yourself, you are black!

    Conclusion: Certain jobs related to Russia, are not a good fit for African Americans.

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    Old Jew:

    Some years ago I had read that joke in National Review. Nowadays NR would not publish it due to its current PC thralldom.
  67. @Ed
    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.

    Honestly, if I went to a show about 19th c. Russian/Austrian/French wars and saw a lot of black leads, I’d get the affirmative action reaction. It would mess up the show for me since I’d be a little irritated at the blatant anti-whiteness going on.

    Also, women really like Josh Groban. Who the heck was that other guy… oka..koka… something?

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  68. @CAL2
    I'll play a little Devil's advocate. If you only cast on historical lines, POC's aren't going to have many options with a lot of plays or any movie set before mid-20th century. The roles will be limited to servants, slaves, stewards, etc. That means Moore's options of roles in theater are going to much more limited.

    The more serious problem today is basically the rule that blacks can play any role and whites can only play white roles unless a black has previously played that role. Then it is forever a black role. In a sane society, the choice would be made between historical role casting or non-historical role casting. If the latter was chosen, it would be clear to everyone that it was non-historical role casting for job availability purposes. Of course we don't live in a sane society because multi-cultural societies cannot be sane.

    the rule

    Some Beauties yet, no Precepts can declare,
    For there’s a Happiness as well as Care.
    Musick resembles Poetry, in each
    Are nameless Graces which no Methods teach,
    And which a Master-Hand alone can reach.
    If, where the Rules not far enough extend,
    (Since Rules were made but to promote their End)
    Some Lucky LICENCE answers to the full
    Th’ Intent propos’d, that Licence is a Rule.
    Thus Pegasus, a nearer way to take,
    May boldly deviate from the common Track.
    Great Wits sometimes may gloriously offend,
    And rise to Faults true Criticks dare not mend;
    From vulgar Bounds with brave Disorder part,
    And snatch a Grace beyond the Reach of Art,
    Which, without passing thro’ the Judgment, gains
    The Heart, and all its End at once attains.

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  69. @Anon
    Like Bruce Reitherman?

    Apparently Sino-Hawaiians are okay too.

    You’d have to ask a race-hustling Indian; I don’t much keep track of granular divisions amongst these alien peoples I’d assumed they used an Indian because it is the Current Year. (I also don’t much keep track of Hollywood’s latest bastardisations of great literature.)

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    Hawaiians aren't alien peoples. America took over their country; either exterminate them or put up with them.
  70. Dan Hayes says:
    @Old Jew
    "During the Cold War"

    John is the best graduate of the CIA Russian program.
    Preparation is very careful and it shows. The flight deep into the Russian interior goes by unnoticed. The parachute opens at the right time. John lands safely,at the predetermined point. Buries his parachute,walks slowly and carefully to the nearest village. First person he meets, is this old Woman.

    = Zdrastvuy Babushka, is it far to Ivanovka?

    - Welcome American Spy!

    - What are you talking? - Is it my accent?

    - No, Your Russian is great!

    - My clothes?

    - No, they are exactly what the Ivanovka store is has been carrying for the last 10 years.

    - What is it then?, asks John.

    - Look at yourself, you are black!
    "

    Conclusion: Certain jobs related to Russia, are not a good fit for African Americans.

    Old Jew:

    Some years ago I had read that joke in National Review. Nowadays NR would not publish it due to its current PC thralldom.

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  71. Glossy says: • Website
    @Jack D
    I think you are mixing up characters. Natasha's brother doesn't appear in the play at all. Prince Andrey's sister Mary is a spinster who lives with her crazy father Prince Bolkonsky.

    The only brother/sister pair we see are Pierre's wife and Anatole, Natasha's seducer.

    I was talking about the novel. I would never see such trash as a Broadway musical.

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  72. Mark F. says:
    @Ed
    Why would you even cast black actors for a role in a play based on War and Peace anyway? The producers got bit by their own hubris.

    The audience can suspend disbelief for a few hours if the actor is good.

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  73. Mark F. says:
    @Jack D
    If I am a theater goer paying (richly) to be entertained, it's not my job to act as an employment agency for black actors. Old women, ugly women, fat women, etc. also have problems getting jobs on Broadway even if they have great voices - should these be cast as ingenues too so that they can get a fair shot at all the jobs?

    Also, if we are supposed to suspend our disbelief that the Mother Superior in the Sound of Music is a black lady, why does it only work one way? If we can have an all brown Hamilton, why can't we have an all white Fences or Raisin in the Sun? Somehow, "color-blind" casting only works one way.

    Old, ugly women (and men) are cast in opera all the time if they have good voices. An accepted convention.

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  74. Lurker says:
    @anonymous
    OT: Dreamers gotta dream.

    Feds: Marriage between Hawaii soldier, Slovakian bodybuilder a sham

    HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow)

    Federal immigration officials say the marriage of a Hawaii-based soldier and an award-winning, amateur female bodybuilder with an expired visa is a sham.

    Nikoleta Perinova, 24, a citizen of Slovakia, was arrested last week for allegedly marrying the soldier, Emanuel Casas, to dodge immigration laws.

    Court documents show say both admitted that the Oct. 7, 2015, marriage was a "fraudulent" one.

    Perinova told a federal investigator, under oath, that the two never lived together, never had sex, and that she is in a romantic relationship with another person. The federal criminal complaint also shows that last month, Casas admitted that Perinova was a friend of a friend's girlfriend.

    He reported that their first date was at the Cheesecake Factory and while there, she asked if they could get married to help her get a green card.

    He also said that they never consummated the marriage.

    In exchange for the union, he says Perinova explained that he would get money and additional military benefits.

    Army public affairs official told Hawaii News Now that Casas, who is assigned to Schofield Barracks, has pleaded guilty in a military court martial proceeding. He was sentenced to hard labor for 14 days.

    Perinova's next court hearing is scheduled for next month.

    Attorney Gary Singh, who specializes in immigration law but is not associated with this case, said "sham" marriages make it more difficult for the clients he represents who are in legitimate relationships and deserve green cards.

    Singh classifies the soldier's role in the "sham" marriage as fraud, and he also said that the marriage posed a security risk -- since Perinova had access to base.

    "The benefits, they get health insurance, housing all of that, plus he's in the military he takes the oath to uphold the law and he's breaking the law," he said.

    Perinova was originally in United States on a work visa.

    "They come here legally and then they really want to stay, and the U.S. immigration laws are very tough," Singh said.

    Perinova is out on bail, wearing a tracking monitor.
     
    So even after admitting all she's still here pursuing her dream.

    How brave of Hawaii News Now to focus on a Slovakian gaming the system. Luckily more vibrant demographics would never do such a thing.

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  75. Lurker says:
    @Clark Westwood
    Alternative version:

    Whites build something nice
    Whites let blacks participate
    The nice something starts to fail
    Whites move on and build something else nice
    Blacks follow whites to the new nice thing
    Repeat ad nauseam.

    There may be another step:

    Whites build something nice
    Whites let blacks participate
    The nice something starts to fail
    Whites are blamed for the failure
    Whites move on and build something else nice
    Blacks follow whites to the new nice thing
    Repeat ad nauseam.

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  76. @Anonym
    Patinkin should be used to disappointment by now.

    Talked to him once in Ben & Jerry on 3rd Ave… nice guy!

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  77. Vinteuil says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    We Calvinists have just completed our annual USA trip. We made a stop in NYC late last month, and were thinking of lining up for last-minute tickets to a Broadway show. 'Natasha, et al.' was near the top of our list, as we'd just watched and enjoyed the recent BBC 'War and Peace' miniseries.

    In the end, we did a family survey and determined that none of us was really all that keen on paying even half price or less of the ridiculous ticket tariffs. I feel pretty good about that decision in retrospect.

    In our visit to Sioux County, however, we visited some peers of mine who'd just been to Chicago to see the traveling version of 'Hamilton'. They're far from rich, but they thought it was totally worth it. Mom and young-adult daughters in this family seem to have the whole musical memorized.

    “In our visit to Sioux County, however, we visited some peers of mine who’d just been to Chicago to see the traveling version of ‘Hamilton’. They’re far from rich, but they thought it was totally worth it. Mom and young-adult daughters in this family seem to have the whole musical memorized.”

    *Hamilton* can be heard, complete, with lyrics, on YouTube

    Commercial crap. Dancing with the Stars, America’s got Talent level stuff.

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  78. @anon
    The New York Times reviewer liked it better than Hamilton.

    He's lucky he didn't get fired for that by itself.

    the move at “The Great Comet” prompted outrage among some black actors.
     
    Boy, I bet that's hard to do.

    I wish they would have replaced him with the great Arsenio Hall. I'd go to see that.

    What I really wish is that they could have replaced Onaodowan with Arsenio, and another actor with Eddie Murphy, and then figured out a way to do rapid-fire costume changes and have them both play several characters, like in the barbershop scenes in Coming To America.

    I've never read War & Peace, so I don't know if there are any barbershop scenes in the book, but I don't see why they couldn't stick a few in the play to make it more artistic. Now that I think about it, I know there are like a hundred characters in it, so I feel like they could probably save a bunch of money by replacing a whole bunch of them with Arsenio and Eddie Murphy in different costumes, and make it a better play at the same time.

    I need to become some kind of consultant for Broadway. I know how to please an audience.

    Coming to America came out in 1988 – long ago and far away.

    Eddie Murphy’s movie-career trajectory:

    48 Hrs. -> Beverly Hills Cop -> Coming to America -> The Nutty Professor -> Pluto Nash -> Meet Dave

    For every Coming to America barbershop scene, Eddie has had five (or ten) Nutty Professor 2: The Klumps garage scenes:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvaTVV7yO4

    Does he still make movies? (I don’t keep up with Hollyweird nooz.)

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  79. @jjbees
    I suspect the popularity of historical dramas (Downton Abbey, Vikings, Game of Thrones, Mad Men) is a boon to writers and directors who want to avoid diversity casting.

    But appendix b to the zeroth amendment is that all (formerly) white things must be made non-white. Whiteness itself is proof of guilt.

    Apropos - I'm still waiting on cricket to pick up in the U.S. I tried finding a league to play in in my part of the U.S. - there are many college teams exclusively made up of indians, so I looked for public leagues, which seemed to have some older white british ex-pats who ended up in the U.S. looking to hold on to a piece of the old country, but the young bloods were all indians, so I gave up. Rugby is pretty white in the U.S., though.

    Americans play baseball, not cricket.

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  80. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Autochthon
    You'd have to ask a race-hustling Indian; I don't much keep track of granular divisions amongst these alien peoples I'd assumed they used an Indian because it is the Current Year. (I also don't much keep track of Hollywood's latest bastardisations of great literature.)

    Hawaiians aren’t alien peoples. America took over their country; either exterminate them or put up with them.

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    Hawai'ians are alien to my race. And Chinese are alien to me bith sociopolitically and racially. You said something about a Sino-Hawai'ian. Don't know of any, don't care to, don't keep track of 'em.

    Weird aliens.
  81. Bill B. says:
    @Anonymous
    Live theatre can be weird. Sometimes a "race neutral" cast is annoying, sometimes it isn't. If it's a black actor in an obviously white role their skin color might not be distracting but black mannerisms might be (though most directors seem well aware of this). If the actor is great then it's easy to understand why they were cast. If they aren't that great (relative to the rest of the cast) you spend the whole performance wondering if the director cast them just "to make a point." My first experience with race neutral casting was actually a white actress in a black role. I was distracted by it all the way up until her first solo, when it became clear she was cast because she was ten times better than anyone else in the show.

    People who don't see much live theatre might think the idea of race neutral casting is just a bunch of PC. It can be. But live theatre isn't like movie or television, where you expect a little more realism. Acceptance of race neutral casting choices depends on the context. It's easy to accept in a show that is obviously fantasy. I would be fine with, say, a black Mary Poppins. It's harder to accept in something more historical, and sometimes confounding. A black actor dating a white woman in, say, a show set and written in the early 1900s leads you to wonder whether a mixed race couple was the author's original intent or something the director threw in there just because.

    But the whole kerfuffle over "Great Comet" doesn't do race neutral casting any favors. The obvious response, going forward, is to not do race neutral casting. If it's just going to be a huge shitstorm when you try to replace a black actor then why bother?

    The producers deserve their theatrical crash by miscasting someone with a noticeably and undeniably flat voice (whose claim to fame was a successful spell as a one member of a troop of chanting Fantoccini) in a musical about character-rich Russians.

    He can’t inject any life into this piece of poetry fluff:

    At best I would class him in hero’s-kooky-friend or annoying-cousin type roles.

    This seems to me another case in the ‘entertainment’ world where someone of limited talent is fawned upon up until the point where his or her inadequacies are undeniable.

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  82. Escher says:

    Soon they’ll introduce genetic tests to screen out all performers who have black ancestry below detectable levels.

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  83. @Anon
    Hawaiians aren't alien peoples. America took over their country; either exterminate them or put up with them.

    Hawai’ians are alien to my race. And Chinese are alien to me bith sociopolitically and racially. You said something about a Sino-Hawai’ian. Don’t know of any, don’t care to, don’t keep track of ‘em.

    Weird aliens.

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    Well, be careful whom you invade, and you won't have to deal with them. As I would have said had I not been trying to be polite, exterminate them or put up with them-- just don't whine about them.

    RB

    PS. You're hardly autochthonous.
  84. If blacks are going to demand all the roles anyway, should we ask them to do ‘whiteface’ when playing historical European roles?

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  85. @Clark Westwood

    Old women, ugly women, fat women, etc. also have problems getting jobs on Broadway even if they have great voices – should these be cast as ingenues too so that they can get a fair shot at all the jobs?
     
    Sort of OT -- opera-goers are of course used to seeing roles played by singers who bear absolutely no resemblance to the character. There isn't enough talent for producers to choose from; if you find someone who can handle the singing, is in your price range, and can kinda sorta act a little, you usually take that person. You might get lucky and find someone who, in addition to all that, is not absurdly overweight, but even that can be asking a lot. In opera, nobody bats an eye at black parents of white kids, white parents of black kids, Chinese pharaohs, and black princesses of 15th-century Spain (among the many iterations I've seen).

    (I would add that even top-notch opera is a much better bargain than Broadway.)

    A major reason what works in opera does ot in straight theatre is opera’s heavily stylised conventions; realism is not expected in a form of art whose foundation is people singing everything they day in sophisticated melodies.

    Hedda Gabler is another animal.

    Aside from the outwardly directed racism against whites that demands the one-way ratchet (Negroes in Ring ‘Round the Moon but no Europeans allowed in Fences is the inteispective racism of self-pity undergirding so much such drama: Wilson’s work, A Raisin in the Sun, and any number of other so-called mama-on-the-couch plays are all “blackety black black” and obsessed with the protagonists wallowing in how the Man is keeping them down (cf. In Living Color‘s brilliant “Mama, please don’t eat dat guvmint cheese…” skit for well deserved mockery of this self-obsessed phenomeneon in so-called black drama).

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  86. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Autochthon
    Hawai'ians are alien to my race. And Chinese are alien to me bith sociopolitically and racially. You said something about a Sino-Hawai'ian. Don't know of any, don't care to, don't keep track of 'em.

    Weird aliens.

    Well, be careful whom you invade, and you won’t have to deal with them. As I would have said had I not been trying to be polite, exterminate them or put up with them– just don’t whine about them.

    RB

    PS. You’re hardly autochthonous.

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  87. guest says:
    @Hyperborean
    The problem is that it bolsters the population of those disgruntled with the status quo. I think a tiered caste system and a 'divide and conquer' policy would help.

    If the American lighter skinned Mulattoes (and Quadroons, Octoroons etc.) were considered (and importantly considered themselves) superior to full-blacks and darker-skinned Mulattoes, they would be less likely to lump their lots in with swarthier protesters.

    Of course this is probably a moot point since, due to historical events, the population of American blacks are too homogeneous and the population of mixed offspring too small to create that distinction.

    While the Coalition of the Fringes could probably be broken down into several pieces and made part of a larger hierarchal caste system, someone would first need to abolish the illusion that everything will work as long as one attacks productive whites.

    Even when Latin American pardos climb the ranks they tend 'whiten' (marry whites, have off-white children etc.) and align with the White-Arab-Jewish Latin American ruling classes.

    No system is perfect, but considering how Latin American whites tend to land on their feet it seems decent.

    Despite the one-drop rule, if you look at successful blacks throughout American history, they’re overwhelmingly mulatto. I tend to think that’s not just because they were genetically superior, but because there was a social incentive to “act white” to get ahead, at which the mixed were naturally better. The Grand Switch came in the 60s, when suddenly identifying with blackness was advantageous.

    As for divide and conquer, if you know anything about intra-black culture, you already know skin tone is a Big Thing. I lost track of how many middle-class black movies have a scene about clubs, fraternities, sororities, etc. having a “paper bag test,” and Wesley Snipes vs. Halle Berry (or pick your own example)-type comparisons are all over their entertainment. I don’t care about serious intrablack discussions, so I don’t follow them. But I’m sure they’re full of the same stuff.

    There’s no caste system or anything, but used to be minorities sought to emulate the dominant culture/racial group. If that’s not the case anymore, it’s not because we were too insistent on making blacks all of a piece back in the day.

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  88. @Clark Westwood

    Old women, ugly women, fat women, etc. also have problems getting jobs on Broadway even if they have great voices – should these be cast as ingenues too so that they can get a fair shot at all the jobs?
     
    Sort of OT -- opera-goers are of course used to seeing roles played by singers who bear absolutely no resemblance to the character. There isn't enough talent for producers to choose from; if you find someone who can handle the singing, is in your price range, and can kinda sorta act a little, you usually take that person. You might get lucky and find someone who, in addition to all that, is not absurdly overweight, but even that can be asking a lot. In opera, nobody bats an eye at black parents of white kids, white parents of black kids, Chinese pharaohs, and black princesses of 15th-century Spain (among the many iterations I've seen).

    (I would add that even top-notch opera is a much better bargain than Broadway.)

    Do yourself a favor someday and go see an opera at the Met in NYC. You can get a good seat for about $200, and the sets, the music and especially the singing is spectacular.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Cincinnati Opera Company is also spectacular.
  89. @Jim Don Bob
    Do yourself a favor someday and go see an opera at the Met in NYC. You can get a good seat for about $200, and the sets, the music and especially the singing is spectacular.

    Cincinnati Opera Company is also spectacular.

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  90. the show brought in Mr. Patinkin, who is white

    It’s hard to have too much sympathy for a (((white))) actor getting bitten for being insufficiently Diverse when he himself is so plainly anti-White.

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    "Homeland" is an American adaptation of an Israeli show.
  91. @Six-Fingered Man
    the show brought in Mr. Patinkin, who is white

    It's hard to have too much sympathy for a (((white))) actor getting bitten for being insufficiently Diverse when he himself is so plainly anti-White.

    “Homeland” is an American adaptation of an Israeli show.

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