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From The Guardian:

Sarah Champion resigns as shadow equalities minister

Labour MP wrote controversial article in the Sun saying ‘Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping white girls’ …

Jessica Elgot Political reporter
Wednesday 16 August 2017 11.28 EDT

Sarah Champion has resigned as shadow equalities minister after a controversial article published in the Sun newspaper in which she wrote: “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.”

The MP for Rotherham had initially tried to distance herself from the article, but she said she was concerned her position in the shadow cabinet had become a distraction after it emerged her aides had signed off on the piece.

“I apologise for the offence caused by the extremely poor choice of words in the Sun article on Friday,” she said. “I am concerned that my continued position in the shadow cabinet would distract from the crucial issues around child protection which I have campaigned on my entire political career.

“It is therefore with regret that I tender my resignation as shadow secretary of state for women and equalities.” …

A source at the newspaper said her office had been sent a PDF of the final print version. “Sarah Champion’s column, as it appeared on Friday, was approved by her team and her adviser twice contacted us thereafter to say she was ‘thrilled’ with the piece and it ‘looked great’,” a spokeswoman said.

“Indeed, her only objection after the article appeared was her belief that her picture byline looked unflattering. Her office submitted five new pictures for further use.”

This would make a good plot for an Armando Iannucci sitcom about political staffers, like The Thick of It and Veep.

Her resignation on Wednesday afternoon came after more than 100 cross-party MPs led by the Labour MP Naz Shah wrote to the Sun to condemn an article by one of its columnists….

In her published piece, Champion wrote: “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls. There. I said it. Does that make me a racist?

I guess we know the effective answer to that question today …

 
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  1. dearieme says:

    “Does that make me a racist?” It does if you’re white.

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  2. kihowi says:

    like The Thick of It

    The original The Thick of It was cancelled because the lead actor turned out to be a pedophile. If that was the joke…bravo.

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    Chris Langham - who did a remarkably good George Orwell, ironically enough.
    , @Altai
    There's an Australian version called 'The Hollowmen' which is pretty good. The isolation of Australia makes the politics even more petty and low stakes and thus the humour all the better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsMY4-zMMw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EyxAtKmWOQ
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    "Next you'll tell me they pay you for the privilege!"
     
    Literally true:

    ... The court was told that Northumbria police paid the man, referred to as XY, £9,680 over 21 months to find out about the times and whereabouts of parties where girls were being plied with drugs and alcohol.

    ... XY, a British Asian man in his 30s, was convicted of raping a child in 2002, having drugged her and invited someone else to rape her after he had.

    ... After he was recruited, XY was arrested in 2015 on suspicion of a sexual offence against an underage girl who claimed that a man had approached her and made an indecent proposition. The case was later dropped.
     


    ... During the course of the hearing, which was open to journalists but not the general public, XY gave evidence from behind a screen. XY said he was recruited because he acted as an informal taxi driver for some of the defendants. Despite police claims to the contrary, XY said he had attended one or two parties, but left “because I knew what was coming, before it was coming”.

    ... During his evidence he made a series of allegations against the police, including one of racism, claiming his handler was only interested in gathering evidence on Asian males. But the judge, Penny Moreland, dismissed XY’s evidence as “inherently unreliable”, “lacking in credibility” and “clearly dishonest”.
     


     
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  5. Bet says:

    “Tolerance and apathy, the last virtues of a dying civilisation”

    They had it right 2000 years ago.

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  6. Clyde says:

    She is still an MP and she got to say her piece. She said it as directly as can be done so good for her. “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.” Though she left out the word Muslim and these men are not British. A Chinese tourist would laugh if told that a Pakistani is British.

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    • Replies: @jtgw
    If only she hadn't apologized afterwards. She must have known she couldn't keep her job so at least she could have kept her dignity.
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    Your ignorance smells, Google what the people of Xinjiang look like, yet they are "Chinese".
    , @Moses
    First rule of dealing with SJWs: Never, ever apologize. It's accepting their frame and an admission of guilt under their terms. There is no upside to it.
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  7. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    One Labour MP’s loss is another’s gain:

    More than 100 cross-party politicians demand action over ‘Muslim Problem’ article
    … have signed an open letter … The scathing letter was organised by the Labour MP Naz Shah

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4804176/MP-hyprocrisy-Naz-Shah-accused-racism-herself.html

    … Miss Shah’s stand was singled out for praise by Jeremy Corbyn. He posted her letter on his Facebook page, accusing The Sun, and by implication Sarah Champion herself, of using ‘Nazi-like terminology about a minority community’.

    Speaking of Nazi-like problem-solution terminology:

    … She made the news in April last year, after becoming embroiled in the anti-Semitism row that continues to haunt Labour.

    A ‘solution’ to the Middle East conflict, she declared on Facebook, is to ‘relocate Israel into the United States’, adding that ‘transportation costs will be less than three years of defence spending… problem solved’.

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    The last thing the US needs is 7 million more of these f*ckers.
    Dump them on the Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey. It was Balfours screw up. Let the UK pay for it.
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    To fix the above comment:

    Terror attacks in Spain and Finland! Many dead and injured Europeans! Swedish state TV: "Only worries that racism will rise."

    The word in the bottom image looks like the same as the German word Fremdenfeindlichkeit.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHvsU8_UIAIy8Qb.jpg

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  9. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    A few weeks ago, my wife and I babysat the preschool-aged child of some friends of ours — a married couple spending a romantic weekend in the countryside to mark an anniversary.

    As my parenting instincts run towards the mildly socially inappropriate, I decided to teach the young lad a new game: From time to time, and with little warning, I would point at him and shout “RACIST!” In turn, he would have to point at me and shout “RACIST!” even louder. While there is plenty of point-scoring, this game has no winners. The four year old boy really liked the game anyway, though.

    After teaching him this game, I was at first gladdened, and then saddened, to see that my game had become wildly popular among in press, academic and left-wing political circles. They just played this game with President Trump, and now with this British Labour politician as well. Which must be really hard on Ms. Champion, because she’s been such a doctrinaire Goodthinker for so long.

    And I’m not even kidding: I really taught this game to the child! No reports back that he’s continued playing it with his friends at the day care center, sadly.

    Slightly off-topic, but relevant to Steve because he lives there: Given that Diversity is Our Strength, the California Bar is looking to lower its standards and reduce the “cut score” in its bar exam grading protocol. This is explicitly in response to fewer and fewer candidates passing each year. Lowering our standings is no doubt a good idea because the goal of protecting the public from unfit or incompetent lawyers is RACIST! or something.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/14/diversity-is-our-strength-california-lowers-its-standards-edition/

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    No reports back that he’s continued playing it with his friends at the day care center, sadly.
     
    Because his friends have all been kicked out, no doubt.
    , @res
    I wonder if there is any way to institute another category of lawyer with a lower bar exam cut score. This would be clearly noted in their title and give the "diversity is our strength" virtue signalers a chance to put their money where their mouth is by hiring these people. I suppose I should fear the unintended consequences though.
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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I see there’s a spam filter. No trimmings then.

    MP for hypocrisy? Naz Shah is the high-flier praised by Corbyn for helping oust a colleague who spoke out on Asian child grooming gangs – but SHE’S been accused of racism herself

    Corbyn called out the “Nazi-like terminology” (of “Muslim problem”, presumably). But Shah once proposed a “solution” to the Middle East “problem”: relocating Israel into the US.

    And now:

    Labour MP Naz Shah retweeted an Owen Jones parody account calling for abused white girls to shut their mouths

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    OT

    Now the EU is following @UNmigration’s lead:

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  12. Hmm says:

    Most white people in Western Europe are dead on the inside. When they get blown up by terrorists, their spiritual and intellectual status simply becomes one with their physical one.

    Whatever happens, it’s clear only Eastern Europe will survive and even they have significant demographic problems. The future has not been this bleak since arguably the peak of the muslim expansion up until Charlemange crushed them or the mongol invasions and probably even then did you have a better outlook.

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    Modernity was a mistake.
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    @eah
    https://twitter.com/nontolerantman/status/895115042743603200

    “Next you’ll tell me they pay you for the privilege!”

    Literally true:

    … The court was told that Northumbria police paid the man, referred to as XY, £9,680 over 21 months to find out about the times and whereabouts of parties where girls were being plied with drugs and alcohol.

    … XY, a British Asian man in his 30s, was convicted of raping a child in 2002, having drugged her and invited someone else to rape her after he had.

    … After he was recruited, XY was arrested in 2015 on suspicion of a sexual offence against an underage girl who claimed that a man had approached her and made an indecent proposition. The case was later dropped.

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    … During the course of the hearing, which was open to journalists but not the general public, XY gave evidence from behind a screen. XY said he was recruited because he acted as an informal taxi driver for some of the defendants. Despite police claims to the contrary, XY said he had attended one or two parties, but left “because I knew what was coming, before it was coming”.

    … During his evidence he made a series of allegations against the police, including one of racism, claiming his handler was only interested in gathering evidence on Asian males. But the judge, Penny Moreland, dismissed XY’s evidence as “inherently unreliable”, “lacking in credibility” and “clearly dishonest”.

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  14. I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn’t by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie “The Full Monty” was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the “courage” to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

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    You are missing the horrific physical and mental tortures and threats against them and their families that kept these girls ensnared.

    And the signs of the mentality behind it: the racial targeting and the racial rhetoric -- "white girls are worthless slags for me to ****" (that's practically verbatim) -- that I've seen revealed in several of these cases.

    Plus they'd hook them on drugs just to get them to come back. It wasn't money for services.


    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report
     
    From the Jay Report:

    ... reports to the Local Safeguarding Children Board ... inter-agency discussions about hundreds of children who had suffered, or were at serious risk of sexual exploitation... minutes of independently chaired Strategy meetings where individual children were discussed... We also had access to lists, and sometimes summary descriptions, of many hundreds of children who were supported by Risky Business, individually or in group sessions.

    Taking all these sources together, the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency. This includes some who were forced to witness other children being assaulted and abused.
     

    I think "conservative" is highly likely.

    Here, this is just the latest of many:


    Gang 'systematically groomed and abused' nearly 300 teenagers in Newcastle and Gateshead

    A police operation targeting sex abusers in the North East has so far identified 278 victims and hundreds more complainants.

    ... In what is the largest sex abuse investigation the Northumbria force has ever undertaken, 461 arrests were made after 703 potential complainants came forward.
     

    , @Detective Club
    Same problem in New York City. Calling for a van, cab, or taxi is like calling for a Third-World pimp.
    , @StillCARealist
    "over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime,"

    What the heck? Convicted? This needs more explanation. If true then the entire discussion of crime in the modern world needs re-examining.
    , @gda
    So basically you are saying that Rotherham was an overblown fake scandal and its all the fault of those evil white young prostitutes and their Islamophobia.

    Interesting take. Have you considered joining the CNN team?
    , @Jeff77450
    An interesting read, thank you.
    , @Peter Frost
    the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think.

    There has always been a pool of young girls who are vulnerable to manipulation and sexual exploitation. The "prey" have always existed. What has changed is the predator population. You gave the example of American servicemen during WWII, but those men were court-martialed, and often executed, when found guilty of rape.

    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.

    It's a conservative estimate:

    "... the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency."

     

    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    There is another way to arrive at an estimate. In Western countries, boys outnumber girls at birth, and this gender gap gradually shrinks through the higher mortality of boys until it is gone by the age of 20. This trend holds true in Rotherham up to the 15-19 age group, at which point the gender gap widens. There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for. This figure would capture only the final “confinement” stage of grooming and would exclude earlier stages when the girl is voluntarily living with her Pakistani boyfriend.

    Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council. (2013). Demographic Profile of Rotherham.

    over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they're supposed to have a special licence.
    , @San Fernando Curt
    The issue here isn't one of runaway teenagers being lured into prostitution. That's unfortunate process of long-standing in this country, as well. Ancient tabloids from the 19th century, pulp novels, and silent films tell us the it's been ongoing for a long, long time.

    The issue really is whether the government and security apparatus in Britain is allowing this to flourish because of accusation of racism has such toxic Juju it's better to throw away a generation of young white women than risk getting branded by the dread term.

    That cowardice is an unforgivable abomination.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Whether you've been cucked by living in the UK and internalizing their warped mindset or you're a natural apologist for child abusers, you're a pretty disgusting piece of work.

    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.
     
    (1) Any citations for this speculation? (2) 20yo or even late teen girls voluntarily consorting with young men is the same as pre-teens being raped and threatened by middle-aged men?
    (3) Young US soldiers in WW2 are example of "older criminal underworld men"?

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.
     
    (1) White transport worker sheltering girl trying to run away from non-white pimp is the same as non-white transport worker pimping girl? The nuance this adds to the Rotherham case is...? In fact, its relevance to the Rotherham case is...?

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis.
     
    The girls in Rotherham were not runaways. Many lived with their parents, and there were cases where the mothers of the rape victims raised the children born of rape. The girls weren't bumming rides in taxis to skip out of town, they were taking taxis from school, etc. Read the fucking reports, you asshole.

    today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits
     
    Rapists of pre-teen and early teen girls shouted "Allahu Akbar" in court. How many British cities without Paki Muslims have child sex abuse ring problem? How many?

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape...
     
    Most of the girls were reported to be ages 11-15.

    ...even if it wasn’t by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant.
     
    The details of holding girls down, threatening them and their families, etc is in the Wikipedia article and news reports.

    You're not adding "nuance", you're just lying and dissembling. If you don't have a good reason to throw doubt on the reports, you're just a disgusting dishonest apologist for child rape.

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy.
     
    Did I say "dissembling?" Sorry, I meant "dissembling xenophilic turd." I ask again, how many cities without Paki Muslims have this problem? You say it's an old typically British problem. Put some numbers out there. I want to to see how "the real story" is somehow that economic deprivation is correlated with massive child rape scandals in Britain.

    One of the pre-teen victims went to the police at the time of the crime with her parents, and the police ignored her. I want to know how that's about Thatcherism and not immigration and multiculturalism.

    You're not adding nuance, you're just obfuscating the problem and throwing guilt where it doesn't belong. Crap, I'm glad you're not my neighbor.

    The movie “The Full Monty” was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes.
     
    I see. A fiction about grown men's tongue-in-cheek cabaret is "a bit of taking off clothes fun" in the same way as the reality of mass child rape. I guess the only question is "whose bit of fun"? Is it the social deprivation causing the poor Paki Muslims to lose taxi fares, necessitating the Paki Muslims' "bit of fun" or is it--in your view--the girls' social deprivation which causes the girls to seek out "a bit of fun" from the Paki Muslims? Yes, that's right. It does sound like you're a bit of a pervert. Your "maybe they did it willingly" and "there were mitigating circumstances" perspectives in the face of evidence sound exactly like the rationalizations of pedophiles. Again, you're a dissembler I wager.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain.
     
    Again with the lack of numbers, but Hell, no need for numbers! I'll take anecdotes. Please tell me the old story about the ring of white British taxi drivers who were holding down and impregnating 11-15 year old girls and then threatening to light them on fire. No doubt, you've got a bunch of stories about that from the Bad Old Days before Cool Britannia and Paki Muslims. Sounds just like the England that resisted Hitler, right? I mean, bad teeth, "shagadelic", and pedophilic white cab drivers were all part of Mike Meyers' 007 spoof for good reason, right?

    You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.
     
    Yeah, yeah. Hotelier/prostitution and taxi-driver/grooming-rape-threat-cycle. It just goes with the territory, right? I think we've all got your number by now, perv.

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.
     
    This was not a social worker report like "over-worked busybody writes up guesswork after a long day", it was a commissioned investigation that estimated 1400 "conservatively", and:

    "The National Crime Agency (NCA) has... a team of more than 100 working on [it]...
    "Last year, the NCA said investigators ... were confident that Prof Jay was right when she said the total was around 1,400.
    "

    I'd like to know your critique of the report calling into question her conclusions.

    Also, I'd like to know what level of mass child rape is okay. I mean, if you're attacking the number 1400, then 1000 is okay? 500 is okay? Well, it was just a bit of taking off clothes fun, anyway, right? And the Brits do it to each other, don't they? And they were just white trash left over from the steal industry anyway, right? I mean, Rotherham deserves to die just like the post-industrial communities of New York State. Just ask Kevin Williamson.

    No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.
     
    So "clearly" that you're going to give us links that show the problem is widespread in non-Paki-Muslim areas and that young women prostitutes are the same as girls getting rides home in taxis, right?

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the “courage” to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime.
     
    Actually, windbag that you are, you haven't introduced any nuance, just dishonest speculation and despicable innuendo. Moreover, you completely ignored the issue germane to the "courage," which is the institutional silencing of investigating and reporting because of anti-racist/xenophilic ideology. It did take courage to say it for those reasons. Too bad. It shouldn't have to take courage for any Brit to speak out against people who are aliens, mooches*, and predators and have overstayed their ill-considered welcome.


    *And I mean that in both the British and American meanings!!
    , @Bill B.

    No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.
     
    Your comments are smug, complacent and ignorant.

    Have you read the official report on the Rotherham rapes? Brutal gang rapes; fathers facing arrest by the police?

    Have you no empathy at all? Have you no sense of the otherness" of white girls - infidels - to bigoted Pakistanis who live by crude medieval village codes reinforced by a religion that preaches extreme chastity and segregation.

    Are you, in fact, a big, fat lady social worker who regularly writes for the Guardian and opines the "smart" view of ethnic child rape and, ultimately, ethnic cleansing?
    , @guest
    "Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying U.S. soldiers for money"

    Yes, U.S. soldiers in WWII invented "the oldest profession."
    , @Difference Maker

    consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.
     
    Yes, prosecuted and convicted, and so will these Pakis. We will turn our attention against them
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  15. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/899572780752154624
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    Correct translation, it's an instance of the frontlash. ("Fear of racism" and "Fear of, um, xenohostiles", respectively.) It's taken from the main public news program Rapport.
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  16. eah says:
    @Anonymous
    OT

    Now the EU is following @UNmigration's lead:

    https://twitter.com/europarl_en/status/898157225553743872
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  17. Bleuteaux says:

    Regarding sexual exploitation of children, in a different context, a writer I appreciate said not long ago that in the future, it will be considered child abuse not to let your child be abused by homosexuals and the like.

    I guess the Muslim equivalent is that it’s racist not to let your child be exploited by child abusers.

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  18. jim jones says:

    The crime is not rape it is Noticing

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  19. Barry W says:

    When the “grooming” or rape scandal first blew up Sarah Champion was among the first to defend the Muslims to whom she owed her political seat. Instead she chose to extrapolate the figure for child abuse to across Britain and blame White men. She is just another Labour fleeing rat looking for any excuse to clamber aboard a charity somewhere.

    http://bit.ly/1w4ArMR

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    yes

    there was only one Labour MP (out of the 60+ who would have known about it) who tried to talk about this before the story broke in the media - and she was pushed out.
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  20. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    You are missing the horrific physical and mental tortures and threats against them and their families that kept these girls ensnared.

    And the signs of the mentality behind it: the racial targeting and the racial rhetoric — “white girls are worthless slags for me to ****” (that’s practically verbatim) — that I’ve seen revealed in several of these cases.

    Plus they’d hook them on drugs just to get them to come back. It wasn’t money for services.

    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report

    From the Jay Report:

    … reports to the Local Safeguarding Children Board … inter-agency discussions about hundreds of children who had suffered, or were at serious risk of sexual exploitation… minutes of independently chaired Strategy meetings where individual children were discussed… We also had access to lists, and sometimes summary descriptions, of many hundreds of children who were supported by Risky Business, individually or in group sessions.

    Taking all these sources together, the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency. This includes some who were forced to witness other children being assaulted and abused.

    I think “conservative” is highly likely.

    Here, this is just the latest of many:

    Gang ‘systematically groomed and abused’ nearly 300 teenagers in Newcastle and Gateshead

    A police operation targeting sex abusers in the North East has so far identified 278 victims and hundreds more complainants.

    … In what is the largest sex abuse investigation the Northumbria force has ever undertaken, 461 arrests were made after 703 potential complainants came forward.

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    And also the element of ethnic networking, and the clannish protection in the service of clannish predation, that could be as blatant as a local Pakistani counsellor getting police to drop charges against some random ringleader who just happened to be his cousin (but aren't they all?).
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  21. whorefinder says: • Website

    Steve, please stop trying to make the commie who makes unwatched crap like Veep into a thing for your readers. We really don’t find it enlightening or amusing to wade through 21 minutes of anti-right insults to find that 1 minute of a sitcom where they make a half-hearted joke that’s anti-p.c. that you think is “subversive.”

    In reality, you and every anti-Lefter watching is being played. They get their ratings jacked up and you get insulted for 99% of the time and they get their propaganda out
    .

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    Disagree.

    Veep is dumbed down because Americans are dumbed down. But The Thick of It was one of the best shows ever made. Really incredible.

    And English people like Armanucci (sp?) and Morris are incredible.

    If you see endless anti-right propoganda in Veep you are... I don't know, paranoid?

    Most of the characters are putatively Democrats (I don't think they specify) and they are VILE.

    BTW, that scene with Jonah and his uncle in the hospital was just amazing. Every moment was beautiful.

    , @Jack Hanson
    Its funny how Steve bangs on about people not noticing things but fails to notice his own view that everyone is secretly really really nice and in no way wants to gulag him.
    , @WJ
    Perhaps it's a provincial bias since Mr. Sailer lives in La La Land but he does have a tilt towards the entertainment industry that I tune out. I couldn't care less about their movies or their garbage tv shows that aren't clever. I have cut the cable and feel good about not funding these clowns. The same goes for the NFL.
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  22. Tiny Duck says:

    we need to remember that white men have sexually assaulted Women of Color for centuries. This is karma

    I do find it funny that white dads have to shut up and take it. Not so tough now are you?

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    I do find it funny that white dads have to shut up and take it.
     
    Hey, Unz, you said you were going to block commenters who just troll. Still waiting....
    , @Moshe
    I should really create a sockpuppet for this but here's a trial-balloon:

    ======

    You guys are so wussified, which is your nature as cowardly white people, the most cowardly people in all of history - look it up - and, you know, you believe in survival of the fittest, so we are getting your girls pregnant. We are the future, you are the past, get over it.

    ======

    Yeah, this is good stuff. TD got too serious and boring (sorry TD), I think my Muslim Supremacist commenting will give me more satisfaction. TD, don't steal my shit. This is mine.

    , @Detective Club
    Just when one thought that execrable Tiny Duck could not descend any lower, he vomits out this little gem. Tiny Duck, you make scum rise supremely above your miserable existence in this Vale of Tears. You should change your name to Duck Butter.
    , @El Dato
    Tiny Duck spotted in Baltimore?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/400444-columbus-monument-vandalized-baltimore/


    “Racist monuments to slave owners and murderers have always bothered me. Baltimore’s poverty is concentrated in African-American households, and these statues are just an extra slap in the face,” the narrator adds. “They were built in the 20th century in response to a movement for African Americans’ human dignity. What kind of a culture goes to such lengths to build such hate-filled monuments? What kind of a culture clings to those monuments in 2017?”
     
    My inventive genius just had the idea of setting up statues that slap passing blacks in the face to put them onto the straight and narrow again. I'm off to the USPTO.
    , @Karl
    I made some real easy money by importing a 20-foot container of "whitening cream" to West Africa. The stuff sells itself

    The redpill reality is that house-slave women COMPETED with each other to sleep with the slave-owner
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  23. helena says:

    The word ‘some’ was absent.

    “(pronounced stressing ‘some’) at least a small amount or number of people or things:
    “surely some have noticed” ”

    The British education system is not addressing the correct use of pronouns these days.

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  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    You are missing the horrific physical and mental tortures and threats against them and their families that kept these girls ensnared.

    And the signs of the mentality behind it: the racial targeting and the racial rhetoric -- "white girls are worthless slags for me to ****" (that's practically verbatim) -- that I've seen revealed in several of these cases.

    Plus they'd hook them on drugs just to get them to come back. It wasn't money for services.


    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report
     
    From the Jay Report:

    ... reports to the Local Safeguarding Children Board ... inter-agency discussions about hundreds of children who had suffered, or were at serious risk of sexual exploitation... minutes of independently chaired Strategy meetings where individual children were discussed... We also had access to lists, and sometimes summary descriptions, of many hundreds of children who were supported by Risky Business, individually or in group sessions.

    Taking all these sources together, the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency. This includes some who were forced to witness other children being assaulted and abused.
     

    I think "conservative" is highly likely.

    Here, this is just the latest of many:


    Gang 'systematically groomed and abused' nearly 300 teenagers in Newcastle and Gateshead

    A police operation targeting sex abusers in the North East has so far identified 278 victims and hundreds more complainants.

    ... In what is the largest sex abuse investigation the Northumbria force has ever undertaken, 461 arrests were made after 703 potential complainants came forward.
     

    And also the element of ethnic networking, and the clannish protection in the service of clannish predation, that could be as blatant as a local Pakistani counsellor getting police to drop charges against some random ringleader who just happened to be his cousin (but aren’t they all?).

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    (I meant "councillor" of course.)
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  25. As my parenting instincts run towards the mildly socially inappropriate, I decided to teach the young lad a new game: From time to time, and with little warning, I would point at him and shout “RACIST!” In turn, he would have to point at me and shout “RACIST!” even louder. While there is plenty of point-scoring, this game has no winners. The four year old boy really liked the game anyway, though…

    And I’m not even kidding: I really taught this game to the child! No reports back that he’s continued playing it with his friends at the day care center, sadly.

    As the father of a four year old daughter, I would agree that your parenting instincts are inappropriate.

    You were so immersed in your own sense of your own cleverness, that you failed to consider what effect this might have on the child. Four year olds are not stupid, they ask questions, they will report back to other adults and to older children. Hopefully the child did not understand the meaning of racist at all and does not tell anybody that you are the man who was shouting “Racist” at him.

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  26. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    And also the element of ethnic networking, and the clannish protection in the service of clannish predation, that could be as blatant as a local Pakistani counsellor getting police to drop charges against some random ringleader who just happened to be his cousin (but aren't they all?).

    (I meant “councillor” of course.)

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  27. Sarah Champion has shown great bravery on the MUSLIM RAPE GANG question in Rotherham. Sarah Champion is a Labour politician with some bit of integrity and independence. Most Labour politicians are anti-White Stalinists who put the interests of foreigners over the interests of native-born White Brits.

    Sarah Champion said this sensible and common sense thing for which she was nastily attacked by the anti-White Labour Stalinists:

    In her published piece, Champion wrote: “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls. There. I said it. Does that make me a racist? Or am I just prepared to call out this horrifying problem for what it is?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/16/sarah-champion-resigns-as-shadow-equalities-minister-sun-article-pakistani-men

    Sarah Champion said:

    “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls. There. I said it. Does that make me a racist? Or am I just prepared to call out this horrifying problem for what it is?

    This Tweet is from 2015, newly relevant:

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  28. @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Same problem in New York City. Calling for a van, cab, or taxi is like calling for a Third-World pimp.

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  29. Thirty years ago, if I read a dystopian novel where this was happening , I would have laughed it off as ridiculous hyperbole.
    I shutter to think what another thirty years will bring.

    I heard the Pakis tried to do this to some Sikh girls too…. but the Sikh men paid them a visit…and it never happened again. The police looked the other way because it was brown on brown, however English fathers who tried to stop this were threatened with arrest.

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    There is an organisation called PAGAL http://pagal.org.uk/ which started addressing the problem in Pakistani communities but has extended to include all grooming.

    Sorry, what I was going to reply is that the UK Sikh community say they have suffered many similar grooming attacks but the problem is not disclosed because of the severe problem of shame in the community.

    I think the crime committed is 'other than muslim' girls are fair game. At the moment the UK is debating at what age muslim girls should wear a scarf because increasingly primary school girls are wearing them. Instead of linking this behaviour with outgroup behaviour (ie towards non-muslim girls), the media are using a, 'scarves on young children sexualises them' narrative.
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  30. @Ben Kurtz
    A few weeks ago, my wife and I babysat the preschool-aged child of some friends of ours -- a married couple spending a romantic weekend in the countryside to mark an anniversary.

    As my parenting instincts run towards the mildly socially inappropriate, I decided to teach the young lad a new game: From time to time, and with little warning, I would point at him and shout "RACIST!" In turn, he would have to point at me and shout "RACIST!" even louder. While there is plenty of point-scoring, this game has no winners. The four year old boy really liked the game anyway, though.

    After teaching him this game, I was at first gladdened, and then saddened, to see that my game had become wildly popular among in press, academic and left-wing political circles. They just played this game with President Trump, and now with this British Labour politician as well. Which must be really hard on Ms. Champion, because she's been such a doctrinaire Goodthinker for so long.

    And I'm not even kidding: I really taught this game to the child! No reports back that he's continued playing it with his friends at the day care center, sadly.

    Slightly off-topic, but relevant to Steve because he lives there: Given that Diversity is Our Strength, the California Bar is looking to lower its standards and reduce the "cut score" in its bar exam grading protocol. This is explicitly in response to fewer and fewer candidates passing each year. Lowering our standings is no doubt a good idea because the goal of protecting the public from unfit or incompetent lawyers is RACIST! or something.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/14/diversity-is-our-strength-california-lowers-its-standards-edition/

    No reports back that he’s continued playing it with his friends at the day care center, sadly.

    Because his friends have all been kicked out, no doubt.

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  31. BB753 says:

    Never apologize. It’s the Rotherham police and authorities who should apologize in this case (and maybe join the guilty Pakis in prison).

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  32. @Hmm
    Most white people in Western Europe are dead on the inside. When they get blown up by terrorists, their spiritual and intellectual status simply becomes one with their physical one.

    Whatever happens, it's clear only Eastern Europe will survive and even they have significant demographic problems. The future has not been this bleak since arguably the peak of the muslim expansion up until Charlemange crushed them or the mongol invasions and probably even then did you have a better outlook.

    Modernity was a mistake.

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  33. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Of course, the British Labour Party is dependent on the loyal bloc voting of Pakistanis.
    Due to the sheer speed and magnitude of race replacement in England, this bloc vote will prove vital and crucial.
    Likely, sometime before mid-century the ‘ethnic’ vote will ensure permanent, automatic in-built Labour Party rule for Britain.

    - And it will be a hard-left neo-Marxist Labour Party this time around.

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    yes and it's not just the numbers the clan-based structure increases the relative turnout.

    having a clan-based structure with a clan head who gets everyone in his clan to get postal ballots and then fills them in for one candidate means each clan head can guarantee a local politicians 100 votes or 150 or 200 or all together they can collectively guarantee maybe 2000 or 4000 or 6000 etc.

    it means they can guarantee near 100% turnout whereas other groups might be 40-60% which effectively doubles their numbers.
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  34. res says:
    @Ben Kurtz
    A few weeks ago, my wife and I babysat the preschool-aged child of some friends of ours -- a married couple spending a romantic weekend in the countryside to mark an anniversary.

    As my parenting instincts run towards the mildly socially inappropriate, I decided to teach the young lad a new game: From time to time, and with little warning, I would point at him and shout "RACIST!" In turn, he would have to point at me and shout "RACIST!" even louder. While there is plenty of point-scoring, this game has no winners. The four year old boy really liked the game anyway, though.

    After teaching him this game, I was at first gladdened, and then saddened, to see that my game had become wildly popular among in press, academic and left-wing political circles. They just played this game with President Trump, and now with this British Labour politician as well. Which must be really hard on Ms. Champion, because she's been such a doctrinaire Goodthinker for so long.

    And I'm not even kidding: I really taught this game to the child! No reports back that he's continued playing it with his friends at the day care center, sadly.

    Slightly off-topic, but relevant to Steve because he lives there: Given that Diversity is Our Strength, the California Bar is looking to lower its standards and reduce the "cut score" in its bar exam grading protocol. This is explicitly in response to fewer and fewer candidates passing each year. Lowering our standings is no doubt a good idea because the goal of protecting the public from unfit or incompetent lawyers is RACIST! or something.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/14/diversity-is-our-strength-california-lowers-its-standards-edition/

    I wonder if there is any way to institute another category of lawyer with a lower bar exam cut score. This would be clearly noted in their title and give the “diversity is our strength” virtue signalers a chance to put their money where their mouth is by hiring these people. I suppose I should fear the unintended consequences though.

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    I've long promoted the idea of a sort of paper-only or "lawyer emeritus" certificate for affirmative action lawyers. They get to pass, and they get hired, but they never see a courtroom or have any significant contact with the law.

    Stick them in an office as diversity consultant, have them teach black legal studies, whatever.
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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    An interesting point is that in England, male subcontinental types have always been considered, by the generality of indigenous white women, as the least desirable menfolk around, bar none. In these ‘grooming cases’ this is compounded by the fact that most of the men involved seem to be middle-aged, paunchy, physically unattractive a and repulsive.
    Although long considered ‘exotic’ in Britain, subcons were never considered ‘exotic’ in a ‘good’ way, but rather as targets of ridicule, contempt, undesirability, loathsomeness, alienation, avoidance etc. The contrast with blacks – who were just as ‘alien’ to Britain is marked.

    These perceived attributes were, of course, especially marked and exaggerated amongst pure pubescent and nubile girls/women, who undoubtedly viewed subcon men as loathsome and contemptible beyond imagination, in comparison to say, Justin Bieber or Harry Styles.
    This compounded by the fact of the paunchy, balding, greying, married, hairy bodied, sweaty, malodorous, badly ( comical ) accented English etc of the groomers.

    So why did the, apparently, voluntary initial sexual intercourse between groomers and girls take place in the first place?

    No doubt hard drugs and hard cash were involved.

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  36. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @kihowi

    like The Thick of It
     
    The original The Thick of It was cancelled because the lead actor turned out to be a pedophile. If that was the joke...bravo.

    Chris Langham – who did a remarkably good George Orwell, ironically enough.

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  37. @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    “over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime,”

    What the heck? Convicted? This needs more explanation. If true then the entire discussion of crime in the modern world needs re-examining.

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    Looks like it is a real stat: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2002/apr/14/workandcareers.observercashsection

    until you consider that almost a third of men have a criminal conviction by the age of 30, according to the Home Office. Research on men born in 1953 showed that about 30 per cent had clocked up a standard list offence - one that is dealt with by the courts but excludes minor motoring offences - by their thirtieth birthday. Research in Scotland points in the same direction, suggesting that about 25 per cent of men have a record by age 24.
     
    Perhaps a Brit could comment on "standard list offence"? There is a partial list here: http://hub.unlock.org.uk/knowledgebase/criminal-record-databases-2/
    , @notanon
    up to 50% of blue collar men will get convicted of fighting / adrenaline related crime during their late teens and early twenties cos peak testosterone

    it's natural and they grow out of it

    half the police's job (when they're allowed to do it) is keeping a lid on young men during their peak testosterone years

    If true then the entire discussion of crime in the modern world needs re-examining.
     
    but otherwise yes - discussion of crime is completely pointless while biology and genetics are excluded from the debate
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  38. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    OT

    Now the EU is following @UNmigration's lead:

    https://twitter.com/europarl_en/status/898157225553743872

    Britain just *HAD* to leave the EU.

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  39. gda says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    So basically you are saying that Rotherham was an overblown fake scandal and its all the fault of those evil white young prostitutes and their Islamophobia.

    Interesting take. Have you considered joining the CNN team?

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    or NAMBLA? or just the ummah?
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  40. Jeff77450 says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    An interesting read, thank you.

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    Interesting as in "now I got your number" or as in "I'm really credulous"?
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  41. @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think.

    There has always been a pool of young girls who are vulnerable to manipulation and sexual exploitation. The “prey” have always existed. What has changed is the predator population. You gave the example of American servicemen during WWII, but those men were court-martialed, and often executed, when found guilty of rape.

    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.

    It’s a conservative estimate:

    “… the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency.”

    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    There is another way to arrive at an estimate. In Western countries, boys outnumber girls at birth, and this gender gap gradually shrinks through the higher mortality of boys until it is gone by the age of 20. This trend holds true in Rotherham up to the 15-19 age group, at which point the gender gap widens. There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for. This figure would capture only the final “confinement” stage of grooming and would exclude earlier stages when the girl is voluntarily living with her Pakistani boyfriend.

    Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council. (2013). Demographic Profile of Rotherham.

    over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they’re supposed to have a special licence.

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    And here's another story that no one wants to talk about: Black on White Rape in the USA is vastly more common than White on Black Rape:

    Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study.
     
    http://humanevents.com/2013/07/19/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism/

    And, from what I've been able to gather, a disproportionate number of the American soldiers who committed acts of rape in WW2 were Black..Of course, no one seems to have done an actual statistical study of the matter (too afraid of what the results might show?).And whenever historians do refer to the number of Back troops who were convicted of rape, they always embed the info in PC-code (“The high number of Blacks soldiers convicted of rape no doubt reflects the racism that permeated the army….”).
    , @res

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they’re supposed to have a special licence.
     
    See my earlier comment for a reference for the first statement. However, your TV license observation puts a very different spin on things (thanks, that was exactly the kind of reason I hoped a Brit would comment about "standard list offence").

    From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/24/tv-licence-evaders-could-get-slap-wrist-new-sentencing-guidelines/
    (emphasis mine)

    With more than 180,000 people charged with not paying their licence fee each year, prosecutions currently account for around one in 10 of all criminal cases in England and Wales.

    More than 99 per cent of all those convicted receive a fine of up to £1,000, which nets the government almost £30 million a year.

    Anyone refusing to pay a fine could be sent to prison and at least 70 people have received custodial sentences in recent years. Prison sentences are imposed as a punishment for not paying the fine, rather than non-payment of the licence fee.
     
    But I also see (from https://recombu.com/digital/article/tv-licence-fee-myths-busted ):

    Myth 4: Non-payment of the licence fee will earn you a criminal record

    Oddly enough, while refusing to pay the fine resulting from license fee dodging can see you doing a stretch in chokey, you won’t earn a criminal record.

    This is because it's not a recordable offence. Non-recordable offences are typically for things like travelling on a train or tube without a ticket. Your fingerprints and DNA samples won't be taken and held on the police database for a non-recordable offence.

    The TV Licence Enforcement Review states: “Under the current system individuals found guilty of failure to hold a TV licence do not receive a criminal record as the offence is not a recordable offence and therefore does not appear on the Police National Computer.”

    If an offence is not on the PNC, it won't show up on any DBS (Disclosure and Barring Service) checks - the new name for CRB (Criminal Recods Bureau).

    That said, any new jobs you apply for may require you to declare any time spent in prison on your application form - and it's generally not a good idea to lie to potential employers.

    It's also worth pointing out that a record of the conviction will be held at the court where the case was heard, so your fee-dodging past won't be a total secret.
     
    Can someone please clarify what are "standard list offences"? I searched for a complete list, but could not find one. The ideal would be a list with numbers of people convicted for each (say in a given year).
    , @notanon

    There has always been a pool of young girls who are vulnerable to manipulation and sexual exploitation. The “prey” have always existed. What has changed is the predator population.
     
    there's also the sanction effect.

    if groups of white men were openly hanging around schools trying to pick up young girls the teachers and police would be on them like a shot. this "normal" response to predators was switched off which made it safe, so the number of predators increased year by year until it was impossible for the media to hide any more.

    This trend holds true in Rotherham up to the 15-19 age group, at which point the gender gap widens. There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for.
     
    there's another even worse aspect of this as yet not even touched.

    if gangs use violence, drugs and alcohol to control small framed teenagers then mistakes will be made and those mistakes will need to be disposed of.

    the unspoken estimate i heard was c. 60,000 girls so even with a casualty rate of 0.1% that's 60 bodies somewhere.
    , @weyyar

    There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for
     
    .

    I wonder how many of these girls ended up in harems somewhere in the Middle East
    , @Anonymous
    Right, you are supposed to have a license and they have "Detector Vans" with spectrum analyzers and directional antennas and they look for the local oscillator emissions. However, you are allowed to have a TV with a screen under a certain number of inches without a license, so how they tell the difference is a mystery to me. As well, you can get TV tuner cards for PCs. Do they need a license? Who knows?

    "Shield the LO and the screen drivers" is an idea not au courant in England apparently.

    For decades, the spy services in the UK would hunt alleged spies using shortwave receivers by similar means, using hand built "straight receivers"-that is, the old TRF design not commercially made since Atwater Kent was the leading edge of consumotronics. The US approach was, you guessed it, shielding the local oscillator and mixer stages and having a untuned RF amp as the first stage. Wasn't rocket science. Worked much better.
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  42. George says:

    Rape is probably short for statutory rape or something called ‘grooming’. Certainly not right, but likely consensual. It is more of a statement of the poor condition of white England.

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    Rape is probably short for statutory rape or something called ‘grooming’. Certainly not right, but likely consensual. It is more of a statement of the poor condition of white England.
     
    Not sure what's "consensual" about a 13 year-old English girl being told by a gang of Pakistani men that she needs to pay-up for for the sweets that they've been giving her.....
    , @Sarah Toga
    Right, large men holding down young girls is consensual.
    "George", your real name is probably Ahkbar . . . go back to your 3rd world hell hole
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  43. The truth shall set you off…

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  44. Altai says:
    @kihowi

    like The Thick of It
     
    The original The Thick of It was cancelled because the lead actor turned out to be a pedophile. If that was the joke...bravo.

    There’s an Australian version called ‘The Hollowmen’ which is pretty good. The isolation of Australia makes the politics even more petty and low stakes and thus the humour all the better.

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  45. @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    The issue here isn’t one of runaway teenagers being lured into prostitution. That’s unfortunate process of long-standing in this country, as well. Ancient tabloids from the 19th century, pulp novels, and silent films tell us the it’s been ongoing for a long, long time.

    The issue really is whether the government and security apparatus in Britain is allowing this to flourish because of accusation of racism has such toxic Juju it’s better to throw away a generation of young white women than risk getting branded by the dread term.

    That cowardice is an unforgivable abomination.

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  46. syonredux says:
    @Peter Frost
    the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think.

    There has always been a pool of young girls who are vulnerable to manipulation and sexual exploitation. The "prey" have always existed. What has changed is the predator population. You gave the example of American servicemen during WWII, but those men were court-martialed, and often executed, when found guilty of rape.

    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.

    It's a conservative estimate:

    "... the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency."

     

    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    There is another way to arrive at an estimate. In Western countries, boys outnumber girls at birth, and this gender gap gradually shrinks through the higher mortality of boys until it is gone by the age of 20. This trend holds true in Rotherham up to the 15-19 age group, at which point the gender gap widens. There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for. This figure would capture only the final “confinement” stage of grooming and would exclude earlier stages when the girl is voluntarily living with her Pakistani boyfriend.

    Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council. (2013). Demographic Profile of Rotherham.

    over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they're supposed to have a special licence.

    And here’s another story that no one wants to talk about: Black on White Rape in the USA is vastly more common than White on Black Rape:

    Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study.

    http://humanevents.com/2013/07/19/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism/

    And, from what I’ve been able to gather, a disproportionate number of the American soldiers who committed acts of rape in WW2 were Black..Of course, no one seems to have done an actual statistical study of the matter (too afraid of what the results might show?).And whenever historians do refer to the number of Back troops who were convicted of rape, they always embed the info in PC-code (“The high number of Blacks soldiers convicted of rape no doubt reflects the racism that permeated the army….”).

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  47. @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Whether you’ve been cucked by living in the UK and internalizing their warped mindset or you’re a natural apologist for child abusers, you’re a pretty disgusting piece of work.

    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    (1) Any citations for this speculation? (2) 20yo or even late teen girls voluntarily consorting with young men is the same as pre-teens being raped and threatened by middle-aged men?
    (3) Young US soldiers in WW2 are example of “older criminal underworld men”?

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    (1) White transport worker sheltering girl trying to run away from non-white pimp is the same as non-white transport worker pimping girl? The nuance this adds to the Rotherham case is…? In fact, its relevance to the Rotherham case is…?

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis.

    The girls in Rotherham were not runaways. Many lived with their parents, and there were cases where the mothers of the rape victims raised the children born of rape. The girls weren’t bumming rides in taxis to skip out of town, they were taking taxis from school, etc. Read the fucking reports, you asshole.

    today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits

    Rapists of pre-teen and early teen girls shouted “Allahu Akbar” in court. How many British cities without Paki Muslims have child sex abuse ring problem? How many?

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape…

    Most of the girls were reported to be ages 11-15.

    …even if it wasn’t by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant.

    The details of holding girls down, threatening them and their families, etc is in the Wikipedia article and news reports.

    You’re not adding “nuance”, you’re just lying and dissembling. If you don’t have a good reason to throw doubt on the reports, you’re just a disgusting dishonest apologist for child rape.

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy.

    Did I say “dissembling?” Sorry, I meant “dissembling xenophilic turd.” I ask again, how many cities without Paki Muslims have this problem? You say it’s an old typically British problem. Put some numbers out there. I want to to see how “the real story” is somehow that economic deprivation is correlated with massive child rape scandals in Britain.

    One of the pre-teen victims went to the police at the time of the crime with her parents, and the police ignored her. I want to know how that’s about Thatcherism and not immigration and multiculturalism.

    You’re not adding nuance, you’re just obfuscating the problem and throwing guilt where it doesn’t belong. Crap, I’m glad you’re not my neighbor.

    The movie “The Full Monty” was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes.

    I see. A fiction about grown men’s tongue-in-cheek cabaret is “a bit of taking off clothes fun” in the same way as the reality of mass child rape. I guess the only question is “whose bit of fun”? Is it the social deprivation causing the poor Paki Muslims to lose taxi fares, necessitating the Paki Muslims’ “bit of fun” or is it–in your view–the girls’ social deprivation which causes the girls to seek out “a bit of fun” from the Paki Muslims? Yes, that’s right. It does sound like you’re a bit of a pervert. Your “maybe they did it willingly” and “there were mitigating circumstances” perspectives in the face of evidence sound exactly like the rationalizations of pedophiles. Again, you’re a dissembler I wager.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain.

    Again with the lack of numbers, but Hell, no need for numbers! I’ll take anecdotes. Please tell me the old story about the ring of white British taxi drivers who were holding down and impregnating 11-15 year old girls and then threatening to light them on fire. No doubt, you’ve got a bunch of stories about that from the Bad Old Days before Cool Britannia and Paki Muslims. Sounds just like the England that resisted Hitler, right? I mean, bad teeth, “shagadelic”, and pedophilic white cab drivers were all part of Mike Meyers’ 007 spoof for good reason, right?

    You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.

    Yeah, yeah. Hotelier/prostitution and taxi-driver/grooming-rape-threat-cycle. It just goes with the territory, right? I think we’ve all got your number by now, perv.

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.

    This was not a social worker report like “over-worked busybody writes up guesswork after a long day”, it was a commissioned investigation that estimated 1400 “conservatively”, and:

    The National Crime Agency (NCA) has… a team of more than 100 working on [it]…
    “Last year, the NCA said investigators … were confident that Prof Jay was right when she said the total was around 1,400.

    I’d like to know your critique of the report calling into question her conclusions.

    Also, I’d like to know what level of mass child rape is okay. I mean, if you’re attacking the number 1400, then 1000 is okay? 500 is okay? Well, it was just a bit of taking off clothes fun, anyway, right? And the Brits do it to each other, don’t they? And they were just white trash left over from the steal industry anyway, right? I mean, Rotherham deserves to die just like the post-industrial communities of New York State. Just ask Kevin Williamson.

    No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So “clearly” that you’re going to give us links that show the problem is widespread in non-Paki-Muslim areas and that young women prostitutes are the same as girls getting rides home in taxis, right?

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the “courage” to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime.

    Actually, windbag that you are, you haven’t introduced any nuance, just dishonest speculation and despicable innuendo. Moreover, you completely ignored the issue germane to the “courage,” which is the institutional silencing of investigating and reporting because of anti-racist/xenophilic ideology. It did take courage to say it for those reasons. Too bad. It shouldn’t have to take courage for any Brit to speak out against people who are aliens, mooches*, and predators and have overstayed their ill-considered welcome.

    *And I mean that in both the British and American meanings!!

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    Thank you, Chrisnonymous, for this much needed takedown of Jonathan Mason's disgusting comments.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Your remarks are hard but fair. Agree.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Damn son. You get an augmented spine installed? Good work.
    , @Anonym
    I used my agree on a previous post but yours should be gold edged. Bravo.
    , @Anonymous
    Well, exactly.

    Crap, I’m glad you’re not my neighbor.
     
    I'm afraid Mr. Mason's take -- that involvement in child prostitution is an occupational risk of professions Muslims are over-represented in, with "Thatcherism" as an accelerant -- is a very common take amongst the nuanced British smart set. But this

    delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps
     
    mischaracterization of the exchange of drugs (given to cause addictions that would ensure repeat custom) to partake in racially-targeted rape by enormous gangs of racial-rhetoric-spouting, clan-networked, clan-protected foreigners enforcing the transaction with torture and threats is a little more nuance than I'm used to.
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  48. @gda
    So basically you are saying that Rotherham was an overblown fake scandal and its all the fault of those evil white young prostitutes and their Islamophobia.

    Interesting take. Have you considered joining the CNN team?

    or NAMBLA? or just the ummah?

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    Senior Labour Party politico Harriett Harman fought to legalise paedophilia in the UK back in the 1970s.
    Incredibly enough, paedophilia was another 'trendy' lefty 'equalities liberation struggle' back in the day, on a par with 'gay rights', feminism, 'anti-racism' and the rest.
    The very real abomination and contempt of paedophilia and paedophiles held by the vast majority of the contemporary British public apparently hadn't hardened in the way it has now.

    Incredibly, Ms Harman emerged unscathed from an attempt by the Daily Mail tabloid to resurrect her dark past.
    She wasn't a mere bit part player but a hardcore fanatical paedo-supporter who did her level best to effect a change in the law.
    Harriett Harman was a brief Miliband/Corbyn interregnum Labour Party leader in 2015. She distinguished herself with her cowardice and uselessness.
    , @rec1man
    The prophet had sex with a 9 year old wife - Ayesha

    Hence in islamic ummah, age of consent is 9 years
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  49. @Jeff77450
    An interesting read, thank you.

    Interesting as in “now I got your number” or as in “I’m really credulous”?

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    It was intended as a compliment. My apologies if it came across otherwise.
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  50. syonredux says:
    @George
    Rape is probably short for statutory rape or something called 'grooming'. Certainly not right, but likely consensual. It is more of a statement of the poor condition of white England.

    Rape is probably short for statutory rape or something called ‘grooming’. Certainly not right, but likely consensual. It is more of a statement of the poor condition of white England.

    Not sure what’s “consensual” about a 13 year-old English girl being told by a gang of Pakistani men that she needs to pay-up for for the sweets that they’ve been giving her…..

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    I think it is painful for people to believe that 13 yro English girls will drop their knickers for very little remuneration, but that is the state of England today. Instead of complaining about foreigners, how about complaining about what English institutions are doing to raise White English girls in a proper manner. Why is the Church of England subsidized if they are doing such a terrible job?
    , @helena
    That was the first startling realisation when the news started leaking out - police officers did not understand that a girl under 16 cannot legally consent.
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  51. @Tiny Duck
    we need to remember that white men have sexually assaulted Women of Color for centuries. This is karma

    I do find it funny that white dads have to shut up and take it. Not so tough now are you?

    I do find it funny that white dads have to shut up and take it.

    Hey, Unz, you said you were going to block commenters who just troll. Still waiting….

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    By Jove, are you by any chance "triggered"??

    It's just words man, jeez who's ever serious on the internet?

    Quit calling for a safe space man, embrace thought diversity.
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  52. res says:
    @StillCARealist
    "over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime,"

    What the heck? Convicted? This needs more explanation. If true then the entire discussion of crime in the modern world needs re-examining.

    Looks like it is a real stat: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2002/apr/14/workandcareers.observercashsection

    until you consider that almost a third of men have a criminal conviction by the age of 30, according to the Home Office. Research on men born in 1953 showed that about 30 per cent had clocked up a standard list offence – one that is dealt with by the courts but excludes minor motoring offences – by their thirtieth birthday. Research in Scotland points in the same direction, suggesting that about 25 per cent of men have a record by age 24.

    Perhaps a Brit could comment on “standard list offence”? There is a partial list here: http://hub.unlock.org.uk/knowledgebase/criminal-record-databases-2/

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  53. res says:
    @Peter Frost
    the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think.

    There has always been a pool of young girls who are vulnerable to manipulation and sexual exploitation. The "prey" have always existed. What has changed is the predator population. You gave the example of American servicemen during WWII, but those men were court-martialed, and often executed, when found guilty of rape.

    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.

    It's a conservative estimate:

    "... the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency."

     

    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    There is another way to arrive at an estimate. In Western countries, boys outnumber girls at birth, and this gender gap gradually shrinks through the higher mortality of boys until it is gone by the age of 20. This trend holds true in Rotherham up to the 15-19 age group, at which point the gender gap widens. There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for. This figure would capture only the final “confinement” stage of grooming and would exclude earlier stages when the girl is voluntarily living with her Pakistani boyfriend.

    Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council. (2013). Demographic Profile of Rotherham.

    over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they're supposed to have a special licence.

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they’re supposed to have a special licence.

    See my earlier comment for a reference for the first statement. However, your TV license observation puts a very different spin on things (thanks, that was exactly the kind of reason I hoped a Brit would comment about “standard list offence”).

    From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/24/tv-licence-evaders-could-get-slap-wrist-new-sentencing-guidelines/
    (emphasis mine)

    With more than 180,000 people charged with not paying their licence fee each year, prosecutions currently account for around one in 10 of all criminal cases in England and Wales.

    More than 99 per cent of all those convicted receive a fine of up to £1,000, which nets the government almost £30 million a year.

    Anyone refusing to pay a fine could be sent to prison and at least 70 people have received custodial sentences in recent years. Prison sentences are imposed as a punishment for not paying the fine, rather than non-payment of the licence fee.

    But I also see (from https://recombu.com/digital/article/tv-licence-fee-myths-busted ):

    Myth 4: Non-payment of the licence fee will earn you a criminal record

    Oddly enough, while refusing to pay the fine resulting from license fee dodging can see you doing a stretch in chokey, you won’t earn a criminal record.

    This is because it’s not a recordable offence. Non-recordable offences are typically for things like travelling on a train or tube without a ticket. Your fingerprints and DNA samples won’t be taken and held on the police database for a non-recordable offence.

    The TV Licence Enforcement Review states: “Under the current system individuals found guilty of failure to hold a TV licence do not receive a criminal record as the offence is not a recordable offence and therefore does not appear on the Police National Computer.”

    If an offence is not on the PNC, it won’t show up on any DBS (Disclosure and Barring Service) checks – the new name for CRB (Criminal Recods Bureau).

    That said, any new jobs you apply for may require you to declare any time spent in prison on your application form – and it’s generally not a good idea to lie to potential employers.

    It’s also worth pointing out that a record of the conviction will be held at the court where the case was heard, so your fee-dodging past won’t be a total secret.

    Can someone please clarify what are “standard list offences”? I searched for a complete list, but could not find one. The ideal would be a list with numbers of people convicted for each (say in a given year).

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    The Offenders Index is the collection of court conviction records going back to 1963; the Ministry of Justice ceased updating it after 2006.

    https://discover.ukdataservice.ac.uk/catalogue/?sn=3935
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  54. jim jones says:
    @res

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they’re supposed to have a special licence.
     
    See my earlier comment for a reference for the first statement. However, your TV license observation puts a very different spin on things (thanks, that was exactly the kind of reason I hoped a Brit would comment about "standard list offence").

    From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/24/tv-licence-evaders-could-get-slap-wrist-new-sentencing-guidelines/
    (emphasis mine)

    With more than 180,000 people charged with not paying their licence fee each year, prosecutions currently account for around one in 10 of all criminal cases in England and Wales.

    More than 99 per cent of all those convicted receive a fine of up to £1,000, which nets the government almost £30 million a year.

    Anyone refusing to pay a fine could be sent to prison and at least 70 people have received custodial sentences in recent years. Prison sentences are imposed as a punishment for not paying the fine, rather than non-payment of the licence fee.
     
    But I also see (from https://recombu.com/digital/article/tv-licence-fee-myths-busted ):

    Myth 4: Non-payment of the licence fee will earn you a criminal record

    Oddly enough, while refusing to pay the fine resulting from license fee dodging can see you doing a stretch in chokey, you won’t earn a criminal record.

    This is because it's not a recordable offence. Non-recordable offences are typically for things like travelling on a train or tube without a ticket. Your fingerprints and DNA samples won't be taken and held on the police database for a non-recordable offence.

    The TV Licence Enforcement Review states: “Under the current system individuals found guilty of failure to hold a TV licence do not receive a criminal record as the offence is not a recordable offence and therefore does not appear on the Police National Computer.”

    If an offence is not on the PNC, it won't show up on any DBS (Disclosure and Barring Service) checks - the new name for CRB (Criminal Recods Bureau).

    That said, any new jobs you apply for may require you to declare any time spent in prison on your application form - and it's generally not a good idea to lie to potential employers.

    It's also worth pointing out that a record of the conviction will be held at the court where the case was heard, so your fee-dodging past won't be a total secret.
     
    Can someone please clarify what are "standard list offences"? I searched for a complete list, but could not find one. The ideal would be a list with numbers of people convicted for each (say in a given year).

    The Offenders Index is the collection of court conviction records going back to 1963; the Ministry of Justice ceased updating it after 2006.

    https://discover.ukdataservice.ac.uk/catalogue/?sn=3935

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  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Chrisnonymous
    or NAMBLA? or just the ummah?

    Senior Labour Party politico Harriett Harman fought to legalise paedophilia in the UK back in the 1970s.
    Incredibly enough, paedophilia was another ‘trendy’ lefty ‘equalities liberation struggle’ back in the day, on a par with ‘gay rights’, feminism, ‘anti-racism’ and the rest.
    The very real abomination and contempt of paedophilia and paedophiles held by the vast majority of the contemporary British public apparently hadn’t hardened in the way it has now.

    Incredibly, Ms Harman emerged unscathed from an attempt by the Daily Mail tabloid to resurrect her dark past.
    She wasn’t a mere bit part player but a hardcore fanatical paedo-supporter who did her level best to effect a change in the law.
    Harriett Harman was a brief Miliband/Corbyn interregnum Labour Party leader in 2015. She distinguished herself with her cowardice and uselessness.

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  56. AndrewR says:

    Western whites would rather have their children killed and raped than be thought of as racist.

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  57. Jeff77450 says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Interesting as in "now I got your number" or as in "I'm really credulous"?

    It was intended as a compliment. My apologies if it came across otherwise.

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  58. jtgw says:
    @Clyde
    She is still an MP and she got to say her piece. She said it as directly as can be done so good for her. “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.” Though she left out the word Muslim and these men are not British. A Chinese tourist would laugh if told that a Pakistani is British.

    If only she hadn’t apologized afterwards. She must have known she couldn’t keep her job so at least she could have kept her dignity.

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    "She must have known she couldn’t keep her job so at least she could have kept her dignity."

    Keep her dignity? Not with that conspicuous grey patch of hair. Understandable why she wanted a more flattering picture, but perhaps didn't think to ring up Vidal Sassoon: "If you don't look good, we don't look good."

    Side note: Why do so many everyday Brits look so much below ordinary? Is it a poor diet? Non-fluoride in their water? First the teeth and then the bland nondescript look. We in the US really do look better then they, in all sorts of ways. Especially our womenfolk.

    So this is the once great British Empire? Reduced to public servant resigning over a comment. Country being overrun with immigrants and turning their cities into no go zones, but telling the truth makes one resign in shame.

    Backing down so quickly isn't very dignified.
    , @Anonym
    If only she hadn’t apologized afterwards. She must have known she couldn’t keep her job so at least she could have kept her dignity.

    I agree. It also works better to be fired than to resign as it exposes the party for what it is, and shows courage to boot.
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  59. notanon says:

    99% of the tens of thousands of clan-raped girls were in Labour party (UK equiv. of Democrat) districts and they and the UK media covered it up for 20+ years.

    now the truth has seeped out Labour are trying to have their cake and eat it by letting one MP speak out (to appease one half of their voters) and then immediately publicly slapping them down (to appease the other half).

    Labour can’t risk coming clean because most people still don’t realize the scale of it (tens of thousands of girls) and how entwined the grooming gangs are with local politics (e.g. arranging for the rape gangs to get the taxi contracts for ferrying children from group homes to school).

    the conservative party could have destroyed them over this cover up but they were held back by the threat of one of their own pedophile scandals from the 80s being exposed.

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    How much more suppression will the English tolerate? Why is there not more outrage? It would be instructive to survey residents objectively about such matters and to have those responses disseminated widely. Perhaps there are no stipends or grants available for eager junior academics to rise to the occasion.
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  60. Moshe says:
    @whorefinder
    Steve, please stop trying to make the commie who makes unwatched crap like Veep into a thing for your readers. We really don't find it enlightening or amusing to wade through 21 minutes of anti-right insults to find that 1 minute of a sitcom where they make a half-hearted joke that's anti-p.c. that you think is "subversive."

    In reality, you and every anti-Lefter watching is being played. They get their ratings jacked up and you get insulted for 99% of the time and they get their propaganda out
    .

    Disagree.

    Veep is dumbed down because Americans are dumbed down. But The Thick of It was one of the best shows ever made. Really incredible.

    And English people like Armanucci (sp?) and Morris are incredible.

    If you see endless anti-right propoganda in Veep you are… I don’t know, paranoid?

    Most of the characters are putatively Democrats (I don’t think they specify) and they are VILE.

    BTW, that scene with Jonah and his uncle in the hospital was just amazing. Every moment was beautiful.

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    Thanks for recommending The Thick of It. After reading the reviews I will be checking it out.
    , @whorefinder
    Yup. Give giving ratings to a show full of Leftist slime pushing leftist nonsense, who will get on stage when getting their awards and denounce you and your children as Worse Than Hitler. And then they do a PSA denouncing Trump and pushing whatever other leftist garbage du jour .

    Schmuck and cuck.

    , @Jack Hanson
    Ah, if I didnt see enough of jews telling me what to think by engaging in Talmudic arguing of black into white on TV, I get it here as well.
    , @Dr Hook
    Armando Ianucci is not English but Scottish.
    You can probably tell by the name
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  61. notanon says:
    @Barry W
    When the "grooming" or rape scandal first blew up Sarah Champion was among the first to defend the Muslims to whom she owed her political seat. Instead she chose to extrapolate the figure for child abuse to across Britain and blame White men. She is just another Labour fleeing rat looking for any excuse to clamber aboard a charity somewhere.
    http://bit.ly/1w4ArMR

    yes

    there was only one Labour MP (out of the 60+ who would have known about it) who tried to talk about this before the story broke in the media – and she was pushed out.

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  62. Moshe says:
    @Tiny Duck
    we need to remember that white men have sexually assaulted Women of Color for centuries. This is karma

    I do find it funny that white dads have to shut up and take it. Not so tough now are you?

    I should really create a sockpuppet for this but here’s a trial-balloon:

    ======

    You guys are so wussified, which is your nature as cowardly white people, the most cowardly people in all of history – look it up – and, you know, you believe in survival of the fittest, so we are getting your girls pregnant. We are the future, you are the past, get over it.

    ======

    Yeah, this is good stuff. TD got too serious and boring (sorry TD), I think my Muslim Supremacist commenting will give me more satisfaction. TD, don’t steal my shit. This is mine.

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  63. notanon says:
    @Anonymous
    Of course, the British Labour Party is dependent on the loyal bloc voting of Pakistanis.
    Due to the sheer speed and magnitude of race replacement in England, this bloc vote will prove vital and crucial.
    Likely, sometime before mid-century the 'ethnic' vote will ensure permanent, automatic in-built Labour Party rule for Britain.

    - And it will be a hard-left neo-Marxist Labour Party this time around.

    yes and it’s not just the numbers the clan-based structure increases the relative turnout.

    having a clan-based structure with a clan head who gets everyone in his clan to get postal ballots and then fills them in for one candidate means each clan head can guarantee a local politicians 100 votes or 150 or 200 or all together they can collectively guarantee maybe 2000 or 4000 or 6000 etc.

    it means they can guarantee near 100% turnout whereas other groups might be 40-60% which effectively doubles their numbers.

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  64. notanon says:
    @StillCARealist
    "over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime,"

    What the heck? Convicted? This needs more explanation. If true then the entire discussion of crime in the modern world needs re-examining.

    up to 50% of blue collar men will get convicted of fighting / adrenaline related crime during their late teens and early twenties cos peak testosterone

    it’s natural and they grow out of it

    half the police’s job (when they’re allowed to do it) is keeping a lid on young men during their peak testosterone years

    If true then the entire discussion of crime in the modern world needs re-examining.

    but otherwise yes – discussion of crime is completely pointless while biology and genetics are excluded from the debate

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    "up to 50% of blue collar men will get convicted of fighting / adrenaline related crime during their late teens and early twenties cos peak testosterone"

    Well I have a hard time buying this one too. I know that young men cause most of the crime problems in society but it isn't 50% of the blue collars (whatever percentage of all young males that is). Isn't it true that 25% of all black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are in jail or on parole/probation? I may not have the ages exactly right but it's something like that. If you mean all the blue collar boys of all races then I just can't see it. Most boys get over the fighting by the time they're 16, from what I've seen. and while they may get suspended from school for fighting, they're not going to get a criminal conviction.
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  65. res says:
    @Moshe
    Disagree.

    Veep is dumbed down because Americans are dumbed down. But The Thick of It was one of the best shows ever made. Really incredible.

    And English people like Armanucci (sp?) and Morris are incredible.

    If you see endless anti-right propoganda in Veep you are... I don't know, paranoid?

    Most of the characters are putatively Democrats (I don't think they specify) and they are VILE.

    BTW, that scene with Jonah and his uncle in the hospital was just amazing. Every moment was beautiful.

    Thanks for recommending The Thick of It. After reading the reviews I will be checking it out.

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    Start with the first episode. You won't regret it. And if you agree, do let me know. It's always nice to know you made someone glad.
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  66. Charlie_U says:

    Back in 2014, in the wake of the Rotherham revelations, the guy who runs the Throne and Altar blog wrote a post about the grooming gangs, using Peter Frost’s excellent article on unz.com as its main focal point.

    (https://bonald.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/taking-away-islam-wont-make-them-less-predatory/ and http://www.unz.com/pfrost/rotherham-the-search-for-answers/)

    Underneath, in the comments, was the following post by Luqman, who claims to be a “Pakistani Muslim … residing in England”. His comments are pretty obvious, at least to the HBD crowd, but I think they’re worth quoting here:

    A couple of factors add together to make these Pakistanis pernicious in British society, not in any particular order:

    1) Low IQ: A good number are sourced from the dregs of Pakistani society. For example, a large number of Pakistani immigrants originate from ONE Pakistani (Kashmiri to be precise) town called Mirpur. This is to the extent that the place is referred to as Little England. It is also one factor in the exceptional endogamy practiced by Pakistanis in Britain, they marry their own. The Indian subcontinent has for thousands of years had an extremely stratified and caste based polity. Even when the populations converted to Islam they maintained their own version of a caste system. This is also the case for Sikhism. Muslims and Sikhs derived from Brahmin populations will not have the same temperament as those derived from say, formerly Untouchable castes.

    2) Total loss of values: Some second generation onwards British Pakistanis are westernized (but not western) in such a way that they lose (but do not reject) the values of their parents and gain (but may profess to reject) modern values. Some first generation immigrants will be culture-shocked into a similar state.

    Both of the above tie into:
    3) Tribalism: Endogamy results in more tribal behaviour. Westerners are on the other hand very open to those not of their own (arguably pathologically). This tribalism may lead British Pakistanis into considering the host population as hostile and dehumanizing them. I dont see Pakistani men preying on many young women of their own origins.

    Therefore I agree with the title of this post, with the caveat that religious issues can exacerbate the above. Seeing the West as an oppressor of Muslims only worsens us vs. them behaviour. Remember that, while likely not true anymore, Muslims see the West as Christian nations, or even an encompassing Christian nation.

    From my perspective (Pakistani Muslim currently residing in England) the current situation can only end in disaster if not rapidly dealt with, which isnt going to happen. Either there will be a massive (Kristallnacht level) reaction against Muslims in particular and immigrants generally or the country will submit and kill itself. Unfortunately, there are barely any realistic appraisals of the situation. The response generally veers between a reactionary extremity and total denial/support of destructive elements. The reasonable majority tend to keep silent.

    As I say, obvious enough, but I think it’s interesting to read such opinions from Pakistanis themselves.

    Also, I think it’s worth quoting Douglas Murray, since the following clip from a YouTube debate is as germane as it gets. Murray says at around the forty-minute mark:

    I never forget … a Labour MP in the studio with me was discussing the rights and wrongs of this [the headscarf ban in France] … and explaining why we were fascist and Islamophobic and so on for defending the French Republic’s verdict on the headscarf. And we came out and this Labour MP patted me on the back and said ‘never forget, Douglas, we’re all with you!’. And I said ‘what was that all about on air?’ … and he said ‘look, I’ve got a large Muslim constituency and I can’t do anything!’ And that’s what you hear all the time in private.

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMJobh2pbpE)

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    Why are the Mirpuries in the UK? The British government decided that Pakistan needed a dam where the Mirpuries lived. So the British government resettled the Mirpuries to the UK. There was probably a great deal of corruption, but IMO the UK needed to fill up vacant real estate and they also had trouble finding low paid workers for legacy textile industries, that all closed down anyway, but the factory owners got an extra decade may be of operation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangla_Dam#Displacement_and_resettlement

    I wonder if she substituted Mirpuri for Pakistani if it would have been acceptable.

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  67. Bill B. says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    Your comments are smug, complacent and ignorant.

    Have you read the official report on the Rotherham rapes? Brutal gang rapes; fathers facing arrest by the police?

    Have you no empathy at all? Have you no sense of the otherness” of white girls – infidels – to bigoted Pakistanis who live by crude medieval village codes reinforced by a religion that preaches extreme chastity and segregation.

    Are you, in fact, a big, fat lady social worker who regularly writes for the Guardian and opines the “smart” view of ethnic child rape and, ultimately, ethnic cleansing?

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  68. notanon says:
    @Peter Frost
    the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think.

    There has always been a pool of young girls who are vulnerable to manipulation and sexual exploitation. The "prey" have always existed. What has changed is the predator population. You gave the example of American servicemen during WWII, but those men were court-martialed, and often executed, when found guilty of rape.

    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.

    It's a conservative estimate:

    "... the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency."

     

    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    There is another way to arrive at an estimate. In Western countries, boys outnumber girls at birth, and this gender gap gradually shrinks through the higher mortality of boys until it is gone by the age of 20. This trend holds true in Rotherham up to the 15-19 age group, at which point the gender gap widens. There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for. This figure would capture only the final “confinement” stage of grooming and would exclude earlier stages when the girl is voluntarily living with her Pakistani boyfriend.

    Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council. (2013). Demographic Profile of Rotherham.

    over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they're supposed to have a special licence.

    There has always been a pool of young girls who are vulnerable to manipulation and sexual exploitation. The “prey” have always existed. What has changed is the predator population.

    there’s also the sanction effect.

    if groups of white men were openly hanging around schools trying to pick up young girls the teachers and police would be on them like a shot. this “normal” response to predators was switched off which made it safe, so the number of predators increased year by year until it was impossible for the media to hide any more.

    This trend holds true in Rotherham up to the 15-19 age group, at which point the gender gap widens. There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for.

    there’s another even worse aspect of this as yet not even touched.

    if gangs use violence, drugs and alcohol to control small framed teenagers then mistakes will be made and those mistakes will need to be disposed of.

    the unspoken estimate i heard was c. 60,000 girls so even with a casualty rate of 0.1% that’s 60 bodies somewhere.

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  69. weyyar says:
    @Peter Frost
    the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think.

    There has always been a pool of young girls who are vulnerable to manipulation and sexual exploitation. The "prey" have always existed. What has changed is the predator population. You gave the example of American servicemen during WWII, but those men were court-martialed, and often executed, when found guilty of rape.

    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.

    It's a conservative estimate:

    "... the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency."

     

    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    There is another way to arrive at an estimate. In Western countries, boys outnumber girls at birth, and this gender gap gradually shrinks through the higher mortality of boys until it is gone by the age of 20. This trend holds true in Rotherham up to the 15-19 age group, at which point the gender gap widens. There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for. This figure would capture only the final “confinement” stage of grooming and would exclude earlier stages when the girl is voluntarily living with her Pakistani boyfriend.

    Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council. (2013). Demographic Profile of Rotherham.

    over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they're supposed to have a special licence.

    There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for

    .

    I wonder how many of these girls ended up in harems somewhere in the Middle East

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  70. Jason Liu says:

    It’s disgusting there’s even an office called “Equalities minister” to begin with

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    The fruits of too many people ignoring The First Emperor's Sage advice.
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  71. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Moshe
    Disagree.

    Veep is dumbed down because Americans are dumbed down. But The Thick of It was one of the best shows ever made. Really incredible.

    And English people like Armanucci (sp?) and Morris are incredible.

    If you see endless anti-right propoganda in Veep you are... I don't know, paranoid?

    Most of the characters are putatively Democrats (I don't think they specify) and they are VILE.

    BTW, that scene with Jonah and his uncle in the hospital was just amazing. Every moment was beautiful.

    Yup. Give giving ratings to a show full of Leftist slime pushing leftist nonsense, who will get on stage when getting their awards and denounce you and your children as Worse Than Hitler. And then they do a PSA denouncing Trump and pushing whatever other leftist garbage du jour .

    Schmuck and cuck.

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  72. @Tiny Duck
    we need to remember that white men have sexually assaulted Women of Color for centuries. This is karma

    I do find it funny that white dads have to shut up and take it. Not so tough now are you?

    Just when one thought that execrable Tiny Duck could not descend any lower, he vomits out this little gem. Tiny Duck, you make scum rise supremely above your miserable existence in this Vale of Tears. You should change your name to Duck Butter.

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    Did I trigger you? Do you need a safe space?

    Man I thought you guys weren't snowflakes
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  73. Ivy says:
    @notanon
    99% of the tens of thousands of clan-raped girls were in Labour party (UK equiv. of Democrat) districts and they and the UK media covered it up for 20+ years.

    now the truth has seeped out Labour are trying to have their cake and eat it by letting one MP speak out (to appease one half of their voters) and then immediately publicly slapping them down (to appease the other half).

    Labour can't risk coming clean because most people still don't realize the scale of it (tens of thousands of girls) and how entwined the grooming gangs are with local politics (e.g. arranging for the rape gangs to get the taxi contracts for ferrying children from group homes to school).

    the conservative party could have destroyed them over this cover up but they were held back by the threat of one of their own pedophile scandals from the 80s being exposed.

    How much more suppression will the English tolerate? Why is there not more outrage? It would be instructive to survey residents objectively about such matters and to have those responses disseminated widely. Perhaps there are no stipends or grants available for eager junior academics to rise to the occasion.

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    How much more suppression will the English tolerate?
     
    hard to say

    there's been many historical cases of a nation's elite being replaced by a hostile one by force e.g. Norman conquest and that is generally followed by overt suppression of any resistance. i don't know of many cases where this happened by stealth. this is actually the biggest hurdle imo - people being too high trust to see the media/politicians are at war with them.

    i assume what will happen is people will continue to gradually get more restless to the point where manufactured consent is no longer possible followed by gulag 2.0

    my guess is the most "hajnal" of European nations will react too late and get gulaged but they can still act as an early warning for others.
    , @helena
    Maybe, if you've got a secret supply of 'get out jail free' cards.

    If it's eager junior academics you're intersted in we offer a PhD in AntiSemitism.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    "Why is there not more outrage? "

    Hate speech laws.
    , @Fredrik
    The English have instead been told by the tabloids to be outraged about the EU.
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  74. rec1man says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    or NAMBLA? or just the ummah?

    The prophet had sex with a 9 year old wife – Ayesha

    Hence in islamic ummah, age of consent is 9 years

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  75. @notanon
    up to 50% of blue collar men will get convicted of fighting / adrenaline related crime during their late teens and early twenties cos peak testosterone

    it's natural and they grow out of it

    half the police's job (when they're allowed to do it) is keeping a lid on young men during their peak testosterone years

    If true then the entire discussion of crime in the modern world needs re-examining.
     
    but otherwise yes - discussion of crime is completely pointless while biology and genetics are excluded from the debate

    “up to 50% of blue collar men will get convicted of fighting / adrenaline related crime during their late teens and early twenties cos peak testosterone”

    Well I have a hard time buying this one too. I know that young men cause most of the crime problems in society but it isn’t 50% of the blue collars (whatever percentage of all young males that is). Isn’t it true that 25% of all black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are in jail or on parole/probation? I may not have the ages exactly right but it’s something like that. If you mean all the blue collar boys of all races then I just can’t see it. Most boys get over the fighting by the time they’re 16, from what I’ve seen. and while they may get suspended from school for fighting, they’re not going to get a criminal conviction.

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    dunno - where i grew up getting a single conviction between the ages of say 15 and 25 for something along the lines of getting into a fight or driving too fast was considered normal. we're not talking professional criminals just young lads being stupid.

    i appreciate it's completely different in other social circles.
    , @Autochthon
    Realise, though, that nowadays the schools call in police everytime students fart and cough. My brothers and I got in a hojillion fistfights growing up; the three of us were a notorious dynasty to the principals as we worked our way through the schools. (We were tough little bastards who didn't brook anyone pushing us around, not bullies.) If we were growing up today, we'd have been detained and carted off to a juveniles' facility and adjudicated delinquent ten times before finishing middle school.

    I'm somewhat – but only very slightly – sympathetic to the problem that some children nowadays are raping and stabbing and all kinds of crazy shit that is decidedly not within the realm of normal, youthful fisticuffs, but an awful lot that ought to be de-escalated in situ by teachers, principals, and even police or other disinterested adults (when the belligerents are themselves young adults) by separating the parties and admonishing them to cool it is now handled by formal criminal proceedings: another result of heterogenous (i.e., "diverse") overpopulated societies with no trust, and government replacing community....
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  76. Moshe says:
    @res
    Thanks for recommending The Thick of It. After reading the reviews I will be checking it out.

    Start with the first episode. You won’t regret it. And if you agree, do let me know. It’s always nice to know you made someone glad.

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  77. El Dato says:
    @Tiny Duck
    we need to remember that white men have sexually assaulted Women of Color for centuries. This is karma

    I do find it funny that white dads have to shut up and take it. Not so tough now are you?

    Tiny Duck spotted in Baltimore?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/400444-columbus-monument-vandalized-baltimore/

    “Racist monuments to slave owners and murderers have always bothered me. Baltimore’s poverty is concentrated in African-American households, and these statues are just an extra slap in the face,” the narrator adds. “They were built in the 20th century in response to a movement for African Americans’ human dignity. What kind of a culture goes to such lengths to build such hate-filled monuments? What kind of a culture clings to those monuments in 2017?”

    My inventive genius just had the idea of setting up statues that slap passing blacks in the face to put them onto the straight and narrow again. I’m off to the USPTO.

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  78. peterike says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Whether you've been cucked by living in the UK and internalizing their warped mindset or you're a natural apologist for child abusers, you're a pretty disgusting piece of work.

    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.
     
    (1) Any citations for this speculation? (2) 20yo or even late teen girls voluntarily consorting with young men is the same as pre-teens being raped and threatened by middle-aged men?
    (3) Young US soldiers in WW2 are example of "older criminal underworld men"?

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.
     
    (1) White transport worker sheltering girl trying to run away from non-white pimp is the same as non-white transport worker pimping girl? The nuance this adds to the Rotherham case is...? In fact, its relevance to the Rotherham case is...?

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis.
     
    The girls in Rotherham were not runaways. Many lived with their parents, and there were cases where the mothers of the rape victims raised the children born of rape. The girls weren't bumming rides in taxis to skip out of town, they were taking taxis from school, etc. Read the fucking reports, you asshole.

    today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits
     
    Rapists of pre-teen and early teen girls shouted "Allahu Akbar" in court. How many British cities without Paki Muslims have child sex abuse ring problem? How many?

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape...
     
    Most of the girls were reported to be ages 11-15.

    ...even if it wasn’t by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant.
     
    The details of holding girls down, threatening them and their families, etc is in the Wikipedia article and news reports.

    You're not adding "nuance", you're just lying and dissembling. If you don't have a good reason to throw doubt on the reports, you're just a disgusting dishonest apologist for child rape.

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy.
     
    Did I say "dissembling?" Sorry, I meant "dissembling xenophilic turd." I ask again, how many cities without Paki Muslims have this problem? You say it's an old typically British problem. Put some numbers out there. I want to to see how "the real story" is somehow that economic deprivation is correlated with massive child rape scandals in Britain.

    One of the pre-teen victims went to the police at the time of the crime with her parents, and the police ignored her. I want to know how that's about Thatcherism and not immigration and multiculturalism.

    You're not adding nuance, you're just obfuscating the problem and throwing guilt where it doesn't belong. Crap, I'm glad you're not my neighbor.

    The movie “The Full Monty” was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes.
     
    I see. A fiction about grown men's tongue-in-cheek cabaret is "a bit of taking off clothes fun" in the same way as the reality of mass child rape. I guess the only question is "whose bit of fun"? Is it the social deprivation causing the poor Paki Muslims to lose taxi fares, necessitating the Paki Muslims' "bit of fun" or is it--in your view--the girls' social deprivation which causes the girls to seek out "a bit of fun" from the Paki Muslims? Yes, that's right. It does sound like you're a bit of a pervert. Your "maybe they did it willingly" and "there were mitigating circumstances" perspectives in the face of evidence sound exactly like the rationalizations of pedophiles. Again, you're a dissembler I wager.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain.
     
    Again with the lack of numbers, but Hell, no need for numbers! I'll take anecdotes. Please tell me the old story about the ring of white British taxi drivers who were holding down and impregnating 11-15 year old girls and then threatening to light them on fire. No doubt, you've got a bunch of stories about that from the Bad Old Days before Cool Britannia and Paki Muslims. Sounds just like the England that resisted Hitler, right? I mean, bad teeth, "shagadelic", and pedophilic white cab drivers were all part of Mike Meyers' 007 spoof for good reason, right?

    You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.
     
    Yeah, yeah. Hotelier/prostitution and taxi-driver/grooming-rape-threat-cycle. It just goes with the territory, right? I think we've all got your number by now, perv.

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.
     
    This was not a social worker report like "over-worked busybody writes up guesswork after a long day", it was a commissioned investigation that estimated 1400 "conservatively", and:

    "The National Crime Agency (NCA) has... a team of more than 100 working on [it]...
    "Last year, the NCA said investigators ... were confident that Prof Jay was right when she said the total was around 1,400.
    "

    I'd like to know your critique of the report calling into question her conclusions.

    Also, I'd like to know what level of mass child rape is okay. I mean, if you're attacking the number 1400, then 1000 is okay? 500 is okay? Well, it was just a bit of taking off clothes fun, anyway, right? And the Brits do it to each other, don't they? And they were just white trash left over from the steal industry anyway, right? I mean, Rotherham deserves to die just like the post-industrial communities of New York State. Just ask Kevin Williamson.

    No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.
     
    So "clearly" that you're going to give us links that show the problem is widespread in non-Paki-Muslim areas and that young women prostitutes are the same as girls getting rides home in taxis, right?

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the “courage” to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime.
     
    Actually, windbag that you are, you haven't introduced any nuance, just dishonest speculation and despicable innuendo. Moreover, you completely ignored the issue germane to the "courage," which is the institutional silencing of investigating and reporting because of anti-racist/xenophilic ideology. It did take courage to say it for those reasons. Too bad. It shouldn't have to take courage for any Brit to speak out against people who are aliens, mooches*, and predators and have overstayed their ill-considered welcome.


    *And I mean that in both the British and American meanings!!

    Thank you, Chrisnonymous, for this much needed takedown of Jonathan Mason’s disgusting comments.

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  79. notanon says:
    @Ivy
    How much more suppression will the English tolerate? Why is there not more outrage? It would be instructive to survey residents objectively about such matters and to have those responses disseminated widely. Perhaps there are no stipends or grants available for eager junior academics to rise to the occasion.

    How much more suppression will the English tolerate?

    hard to say

    there’s been many historical cases of a nation’s elite being replaced by a hostile one by force e.g. Norman conquest and that is generally followed by overt suppression of any resistance. i don’t know of many cases where this happened by stealth. this is actually the biggest hurdle imo – people being too high trust to see the media/politicians are at war with them.

    i assume what will happen is people will continue to gradually get more restless to the point where manufactured consent is no longer possible followed by gulag 2.0

    my guess is the most “hajnal” of European nations will react too late and get gulaged but they can still act as an early warning for others.

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  80. George says:
    @syonredux

    Rape is probably short for statutory rape or something called ‘grooming’. Certainly not right, but likely consensual. It is more of a statement of the poor condition of white England.
     
    Not sure what's "consensual" about a 13 year-old English girl being told by a gang of Pakistani men that she needs to pay-up for for the sweets that they've been giving her.....

    I think it is painful for people to believe that 13 yro English girls will drop their knickers for very little remuneration, but that is the state of England today. Instead of complaining about foreigners, how about complaining about what English institutions are doing to raise White English girls in a proper manner. Why is the Church of England subsidized if they are doing such a terrible job?

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    Couldn't agree more. It's all the 13 year old girls' and their fathers' fault. Feral Pakis know not what they do.
    , @syonredux

    I think it is painful for people to believe that 13 yro English girls will drop their knickers for very little remuneration,
     
    Dear fellow, I don't think that you really understand the scenario: A thirteen year old English girl is being threatened by a mob of Pakistani men......
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  81. guest says:

    What is with the euphemism “grooming gangs?” Sounds like a pack of cosmetologists.

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    people in the UK needed a euphemism for "Muslim rape gangs" to avoid being arrested.
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  82. George says:
    @Charlie_U
    Back in 2014, in the wake of the Rotherham revelations, the guy who runs the Throne and Altar blog wrote a post about the grooming gangs, using Peter Frost's excellent article on unz.com as its main focal point.

    (https://bonald.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/taking-away-islam-wont-make-them-less-predatory/ and http://www.unz.com/pfrost/rotherham-the-search-for-answers/)

    Underneath, in the comments, was the following post by Luqman, who claims to be a "Pakistani Muslim ... residing in England". His comments are pretty obvious, at least to the HBD crowd, but I think they're worth quoting here:


    A couple of factors add together to make these Pakistanis pernicious in British society, not in any particular order:

    1) Low IQ: A good number are sourced from the dregs of Pakistani society. For example, a large number of Pakistani immigrants originate from ONE Pakistani (Kashmiri to be precise) town called Mirpur. This is to the extent that the place is referred to as Little England. It is also one factor in the exceptional endogamy practiced by Pakistanis in Britain, they marry their own. The Indian subcontinent has for thousands of years had an extremely stratified and caste based polity. Even when the populations converted to Islam they maintained their own version of a caste system. This is also the case for Sikhism. Muslims and Sikhs derived from Brahmin populations will not have the same temperament as those derived from say, formerly Untouchable castes.

    2) Total loss of values: Some second generation onwards British Pakistanis are westernized (but not western) in such a way that they lose (but do not reject) the values of their parents and gain (but may profess to reject) modern values. Some first generation immigrants will be culture-shocked into a similar state.

    Both of the above tie into:
    3) Tribalism: Endogamy results in more tribal behaviour. Westerners are on the other hand very open to those not of their own (arguably pathologically). This tribalism may lead British Pakistanis into considering the host population as hostile and dehumanizing them. I dont see Pakistani men preying on many young women of their own origins.

    Therefore I agree with the title of this post, with the caveat that religious issues can exacerbate the above. Seeing the West as an oppressor of Muslims only worsens us vs. them behaviour. Remember that, while likely not true anymore, Muslims see the West as Christian nations, or even an encompassing Christian nation.

    From my perspective (Pakistani Muslim currently residing in England) the current situation can only end in disaster if not rapidly dealt with, which isnt going to happen. Either there will be a massive (Kristallnacht level) reaction against Muslims in particular and immigrants generally or the country will submit and kill itself. Unfortunately, there are barely any realistic appraisals of the situation. The response generally veers between a reactionary extremity and total denial/support of destructive elements. The reasonable majority tend to keep silent.
     

    As I say, obvious enough, but I think it's interesting to read such opinions from Pakistanis themselves.

    Also, I think it's worth quoting Douglas Murray, since the following clip from a YouTube debate is as germane as it gets. Murray says at around the forty-minute mark:


    I never forget ... a Labour MP in the studio with me was discussing the rights and wrongs of this [the headscarf ban in France] ... and explaining why we were fascist and Islamophobic and so on for defending the French Republic's verdict on the headscarf. And we came out and this Labour MP patted me on the back and said 'never forget, Douglas, we're all with you!'. And I said 'what was that all about on air?' ... and he said 'look, I've got a large Muslim constituency and I can't do anything!' And that's what you hear all the time in private.
     
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMJobh2pbpE)

    Why are the Mirpuries in the UK? The British government decided that Pakistan needed a dam where the Mirpuries lived. So the British government resettled the Mirpuries to the UK. There was probably a great deal of corruption, but IMO the UK needed to fill up vacant real estate and they also had trouble finding low paid workers for legacy textile industries, that all closed down anyway, but the factory owners got an extra decade may be of operation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangla_Dam#Displacement_and_resettlement

    I wonder if she substituted Mirpuri for Pakistani if it would have been acceptable.

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    not true

    the dam was built was built after independence but at the time it was built Britain still had laws saying anyone from ex-colonies could come to UK.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Pakistani immigrants in Britain tend to blame all social pathologies on "those Miripuris".
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  83. guest says:

    “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls”

    Would it kill her to simply call them Pakistani? Why append “British,” an empty modifier signifying nothing?

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  84. guest says:
    @res
    I wonder if there is any way to institute another category of lawyer with a lower bar exam cut score. This would be clearly noted in their title and give the "diversity is our strength" virtue signalers a chance to put their money where their mouth is by hiring these people. I suppose I should fear the unintended consequences though.

    I’ve long promoted the idea of a sort of paper-only or “lawyer emeritus” certificate for affirmative action lawyers. They get to pass, and they get hired, but they never see a courtroom or have any significant contact with the law.

    Stick them in an office as diversity consultant, have them teach black legal studies, whatever.

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    Many such people exist in just such jobs. They either don't sit the bar exam at all in the first instance, are perennially sitting the exam, or give up after failing it but no one talks about it. They work as "consultants" to firms or have all their stuff signed off on by licensed lawyers in house.

    So-Called Diversity Poobahs and any number of academics fit the bill especially well.

    I technically fall into the latter category nowadays, though only because I no longer hold a license by choice.
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  85. guest says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    “Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying U.S. soldiers for money”

    Yes, U.S. soldiers in WWII invented “the oldest profession.”

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  86. helena says:
    @oh its just me too
    Thirty years ago, if I read a dystopian novel where this was happening , I would have laughed it off as ridiculous hyperbole.
    I shutter to think what another thirty years will bring.

    I heard the Pakis tried to do this to some Sikh girls too.... but the Sikh men paid them a visit...and it never happened again. The police looked the other way because it was brown on brown, however English fathers who tried to stop this were threatened with arrest.

    There is an organisation called PAGAL http://pagal.org.uk/ which started addressing the problem in Pakistani communities but has extended to include all grooming.

    Sorry, what I was going to reply is that the UK Sikh community say they have suffered many similar grooming attacks but the problem is not disclosed because of the severe problem of shame in the community.

    I think the crime committed is ‘other than muslim’ girls are fair game. At the moment the UK is debating at what age muslim girls should wear a scarf because increasingly primary school girls are wearing them. Instead of linking this behaviour with outgroup behaviour (ie towards non-muslim girls), the media are using a, ‘scarves on young children sexualises them’ narrative.

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  87. @Chrisnonymous
    Whether you've been cucked by living in the UK and internalizing their warped mindset or you're a natural apologist for child abusers, you're a pretty disgusting piece of work.

    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.
     
    (1) Any citations for this speculation? (2) 20yo or even late teen girls voluntarily consorting with young men is the same as pre-teens being raped and threatened by middle-aged men?
    (3) Young US soldiers in WW2 are example of "older criminal underworld men"?

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.
     
    (1) White transport worker sheltering girl trying to run away from non-white pimp is the same as non-white transport worker pimping girl? The nuance this adds to the Rotherham case is...? In fact, its relevance to the Rotherham case is...?

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis.
     
    The girls in Rotherham were not runaways. Many lived with their parents, and there were cases where the mothers of the rape victims raised the children born of rape. The girls weren't bumming rides in taxis to skip out of town, they were taking taxis from school, etc. Read the fucking reports, you asshole.

    today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits
     
    Rapists of pre-teen and early teen girls shouted "Allahu Akbar" in court. How many British cities without Paki Muslims have child sex abuse ring problem? How many?

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape...
     
    Most of the girls were reported to be ages 11-15.

    ...even if it wasn’t by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant.
     
    The details of holding girls down, threatening them and their families, etc is in the Wikipedia article and news reports.

    You're not adding "nuance", you're just lying and dissembling. If you don't have a good reason to throw doubt on the reports, you're just a disgusting dishonest apologist for child rape.

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy.
     
    Did I say "dissembling?" Sorry, I meant "dissembling xenophilic turd." I ask again, how many cities without Paki Muslims have this problem? You say it's an old typically British problem. Put some numbers out there. I want to to see how "the real story" is somehow that economic deprivation is correlated with massive child rape scandals in Britain.

    One of the pre-teen victims went to the police at the time of the crime with her parents, and the police ignored her. I want to know how that's about Thatcherism and not immigration and multiculturalism.

    You're not adding nuance, you're just obfuscating the problem and throwing guilt where it doesn't belong. Crap, I'm glad you're not my neighbor.

    The movie “The Full Monty” was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes.
     
    I see. A fiction about grown men's tongue-in-cheek cabaret is "a bit of taking off clothes fun" in the same way as the reality of mass child rape. I guess the only question is "whose bit of fun"? Is it the social deprivation causing the poor Paki Muslims to lose taxi fares, necessitating the Paki Muslims' "bit of fun" or is it--in your view--the girls' social deprivation which causes the girls to seek out "a bit of fun" from the Paki Muslims? Yes, that's right. It does sound like you're a bit of a pervert. Your "maybe they did it willingly" and "there were mitigating circumstances" perspectives in the face of evidence sound exactly like the rationalizations of pedophiles. Again, you're a dissembler I wager.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain.
     
    Again with the lack of numbers, but Hell, no need for numbers! I'll take anecdotes. Please tell me the old story about the ring of white British taxi drivers who were holding down and impregnating 11-15 year old girls and then threatening to light them on fire. No doubt, you've got a bunch of stories about that from the Bad Old Days before Cool Britannia and Paki Muslims. Sounds just like the England that resisted Hitler, right? I mean, bad teeth, "shagadelic", and pedophilic white cab drivers were all part of Mike Meyers' 007 spoof for good reason, right?

    You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.
     
    Yeah, yeah. Hotelier/prostitution and taxi-driver/grooming-rape-threat-cycle. It just goes with the territory, right? I think we've all got your number by now, perv.

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.
     
    This was not a social worker report like "over-worked busybody writes up guesswork after a long day", it was a commissioned investigation that estimated 1400 "conservatively", and:

    "The National Crime Agency (NCA) has... a team of more than 100 working on [it]...
    "Last year, the NCA said investigators ... were confident that Prof Jay was right when she said the total was around 1,400.
    "

    I'd like to know your critique of the report calling into question her conclusions.

    Also, I'd like to know what level of mass child rape is okay. I mean, if you're attacking the number 1400, then 1000 is okay? 500 is okay? Well, it was just a bit of taking off clothes fun, anyway, right? And the Brits do it to each other, don't they? And they were just white trash left over from the steal industry anyway, right? I mean, Rotherham deserves to die just like the post-industrial communities of New York State. Just ask Kevin Williamson.

    No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.
     
    So "clearly" that you're going to give us links that show the problem is widespread in non-Paki-Muslim areas and that young women prostitutes are the same as girls getting rides home in taxis, right?

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the “courage” to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime.
     
    Actually, windbag that you are, you haven't introduced any nuance, just dishonest speculation and despicable innuendo. Moreover, you completely ignored the issue germane to the "courage," which is the institutional silencing of investigating and reporting because of anti-racist/xenophilic ideology. It did take courage to say it for those reasons. Too bad. It shouldn't have to take courage for any Brit to speak out against people who are aliens, mooches*, and predators and have overstayed their ill-considered welcome.


    *And I mean that in both the British and American meanings!!

    Your remarks are hard but fair. Agree.

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  88. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Not mentioned enough, our little boy rapers from south of the border.

    In the name of unqualified immigration, the little one has to “take one for the team”:

    http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/babysitter-busted-for-forcing-4-year-old-to-perform-sex-acts/

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  89. In the eyes of the identity left. When it’s a male of color, Pakistani, African etc., and a White female, it’s never rape but reparations.

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  90. helena says:
    @syonredux

    Rape is probably short for statutory rape or something called ‘grooming’. Certainly not right, but likely consensual. It is more of a statement of the poor condition of white England.
     
    Not sure what's "consensual" about a 13 year-old English girl being told by a gang of Pakistani men that she needs to pay-up for for the sweets that they've been giving her.....

    That was the first startling realisation when the news started leaking out – police officers did not understand that a girl under 16 cannot legally consent.

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    if a gang of white men were brazenly doing this the police would be on them in ten seconds.
    , @Sarah Toga
    oh, they understood - the PTB told them to cover up the muzzie violent crime wave. Playing dumb went with the cover up.

    Tony Blair and his ilk wanted to rub the "conservatives" noses in "diversity", a thoroughly documented fact
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  91. The question is where the bunch of bollocks
    “Shadow secretary of state for women and equalities.”

    came from in the first place.

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  92. helena says:
    @Ivy
    How much more suppression will the English tolerate? Why is there not more outrage? It would be instructive to survey residents objectively about such matters and to have those responses disseminated widely. Perhaps there are no stipends or grants available for eager junior academics to rise to the occasion.

    Maybe, if you’ve got a secret supply of ‘get out jail free’ cards.

    If it’s eager junior academics you’re intersted in we offer a PhD in AntiSemitism.

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  93. @Ivy
    How much more suppression will the English tolerate? Why is there not more outrage? It would be instructive to survey residents objectively about such matters and to have those responses disseminated widely. Perhaps there are no stipends or grants available for eager junior academics to rise to the occasion.

    “Why is there not more outrage? ”

    Hate speech laws.

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  94. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Meanwhile, INGSOC watch brings you:

    UK.gov to treat online abuse as seriously as IRL hate crime: Think twice before you fire that foul-mouthed Twitter tirade

    Uh, oh. Better shut the fuck up, seeing how the UK has also compelling data hoovering powers.

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  95. Pericles says:
    @eah
    To fix the above comment:

    Terror attacks in Spain and Finland! Many dead and injured Europeans! Swedish state TV: "Only worries that racism will rise."

    The word in the bottom image looks like the same as the German word Fremdenfeindlichkeit.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHvsU8_UIAIy8Qb.jpg

    Correct translation, it’s an instance of the frontlash. (“Fear of racism” and “Fear of, um, xenohostiles”, respectively.) It’s taken from the main public news program Rapport.

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  96. @Anonymous
    One Labour MP's loss is another's gain:

    More than 100 cross-party politicians demand action over 'Muslim Problem' article
    ... have signed an open letter ... The scathing letter was organised by the Labour MP Naz Shah
     
    https://twitter.com/OffencePolice/status/899310608142696453

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4804176/MP-hyprocrisy-Naz-Shah-accused-racism-herself.html

    ... Miss Shah’s stand was singled out for praise by Jeremy Corbyn. He posted her letter on his Facebook page, accusing The Sun, and by implication Sarah Champion herself, of using ‘Nazi-like terminology about a minority community’.
     
    Speaking of Nazi-like problem-solution terminology:

    ... She made the news in April last year, after becoming embroiled in the anti-Semitism row that continues to haunt Labour.

    A ‘solution’ to the Middle East conflict, she declared on Facebook, is to ‘relocate Israel into the United States’, adding that ‘transportation costs will be less than three years of defence spending... problem solved’.
     

    The last thing the US needs is 7 million more of these f*ckers.
    Dump them on the Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey. It was Balfours screw up. Let the UK pay for it.

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  97. @whorefinder
    Steve, please stop trying to make the commie who makes unwatched crap like Veep into a thing for your readers. We really don't find it enlightening or amusing to wade through 21 minutes of anti-right insults to find that 1 minute of a sitcom where they make a half-hearted joke that's anti-p.c. that you think is "subversive."

    In reality, you and every anti-Lefter watching is being played. They get their ratings jacked up and you get insulted for 99% of the time and they get their propaganda out
    .

    Its funny how Steve bangs on about people not noticing things but fails to notice his own view that everyone is secretly really really nice and in no way wants to gulag him.

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  98. @Chrisnonymous
    Whether you've been cucked by living in the UK and internalizing their warped mindset or you're a natural apologist for child abusers, you're a pretty disgusting piece of work.

    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.
     
    (1) Any citations for this speculation? (2) 20yo or even late teen girls voluntarily consorting with young men is the same as pre-teens being raped and threatened by middle-aged men?
    (3) Young US soldiers in WW2 are example of "older criminal underworld men"?

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.
     
    (1) White transport worker sheltering girl trying to run away from non-white pimp is the same as non-white transport worker pimping girl? The nuance this adds to the Rotherham case is...? In fact, its relevance to the Rotherham case is...?

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis.
     
    The girls in Rotherham were not runaways. Many lived with their parents, and there were cases where the mothers of the rape victims raised the children born of rape. The girls weren't bumming rides in taxis to skip out of town, they were taking taxis from school, etc. Read the fucking reports, you asshole.

    today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits
     
    Rapists of pre-teen and early teen girls shouted "Allahu Akbar" in court. How many British cities without Paki Muslims have child sex abuse ring problem? How many?

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape...
     
    Most of the girls were reported to be ages 11-15.

    ...even if it wasn’t by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant.
     
    The details of holding girls down, threatening them and their families, etc is in the Wikipedia article and news reports.

    You're not adding "nuance", you're just lying and dissembling. If you don't have a good reason to throw doubt on the reports, you're just a disgusting dishonest apologist for child rape.

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy.
     
    Did I say "dissembling?" Sorry, I meant "dissembling xenophilic turd." I ask again, how many cities without Paki Muslims have this problem? You say it's an old typically British problem. Put some numbers out there. I want to to see how "the real story" is somehow that economic deprivation is correlated with massive child rape scandals in Britain.

    One of the pre-teen victims went to the police at the time of the crime with her parents, and the police ignored her. I want to know how that's about Thatcherism and not immigration and multiculturalism.

    You're not adding nuance, you're just obfuscating the problem and throwing guilt where it doesn't belong. Crap, I'm glad you're not my neighbor.

    The movie “The Full Monty” was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes.
     
    I see. A fiction about grown men's tongue-in-cheek cabaret is "a bit of taking off clothes fun" in the same way as the reality of mass child rape. I guess the only question is "whose bit of fun"? Is it the social deprivation causing the poor Paki Muslims to lose taxi fares, necessitating the Paki Muslims' "bit of fun" or is it--in your view--the girls' social deprivation which causes the girls to seek out "a bit of fun" from the Paki Muslims? Yes, that's right. It does sound like you're a bit of a pervert. Your "maybe they did it willingly" and "there were mitigating circumstances" perspectives in the face of evidence sound exactly like the rationalizations of pedophiles. Again, you're a dissembler I wager.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain.
     
    Again with the lack of numbers, but Hell, no need for numbers! I'll take anecdotes. Please tell me the old story about the ring of white British taxi drivers who were holding down and impregnating 11-15 year old girls and then threatening to light them on fire. No doubt, you've got a bunch of stories about that from the Bad Old Days before Cool Britannia and Paki Muslims. Sounds just like the England that resisted Hitler, right? I mean, bad teeth, "shagadelic", and pedophilic white cab drivers were all part of Mike Meyers' 007 spoof for good reason, right?

    You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.
     
    Yeah, yeah. Hotelier/prostitution and taxi-driver/grooming-rape-threat-cycle. It just goes with the territory, right? I think we've all got your number by now, perv.

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.
     
    This was not a social worker report like "over-worked busybody writes up guesswork after a long day", it was a commissioned investigation that estimated 1400 "conservatively", and:

    "The National Crime Agency (NCA) has... a team of more than 100 working on [it]...
    "Last year, the NCA said investigators ... were confident that Prof Jay was right when she said the total was around 1,400.
    "

    I'd like to know your critique of the report calling into question her conclusions.

    Also, I'd like to know what level of mass child rape is okay. I mean, if you're attacking the number 1400, then 1000 is okay? 500 is okay? Well, it was just a bit of taking off clothes fun, anyway, right? And the Brits do it to each other, don't they? And they were just white trash left over from the steal industry anyway, right? I mean, Rotherham deserves to die just like the post-industrial communities of New York State. Just ask Kevin Williamson.

    No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.
     
    So "clearly" that you're going to give us links that show the problem is widespread in non-Paki-Muslim areas and that young women prostitutes are the same as girls getting rides home in taxis, right?

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the “courage” to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime.
     
    Actually, windbag that you are, you haven't introduced any nuance, just dishonest speculation and despicable innuendo. Moreover, you completely ignored the issue germane to the "courage," which is the institutional silencing of investigating and reporting because of anti-racist/xenophilic ideology. It did take courage to say it for those reasons. Too bad. It shouldn't have to take courage for any Brit to speak out against people who are aliens, mooches*, and predators and have overstayed their ill-considered welcome.


    *And I mean that in both the British and American meanings!!

    Damn son. You get an augmented spine installed? Good work.

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  99. @Moshe
    Disagree.

    Veep is dumbed down because Americans are dumbed down. But The Thick of It was one of the best shows ever made. Really incredible.

    And English people like Armanucci (sp?) and Morris are incredible.

    If you see endless anti-right propoganda in Veep you are... I don't know, paranoid?

    Most of the characters are putatively Democrats (I don't think they specify) and they are VILE.

    BTW, that scene with Jonah and his uncle in the hospital was just amazing. Every moment was beautiful.

    Ah, if I didnt see enough of jews telling me what to think by engaging in Talmudic arguing of black into white on TV, I get it here as well.

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  100. Dr Hook says:
    @Moshe
    Disagree.

    Veep is dumbed down because Americans are dumbed down. But The Thick of It was one of the best shows ever made. Really incredible.

    And English people like Armanucci (sp?) and Morris are incredible.

    If you see endless anti-right propoganda in Veep you are... I don't know, paranoid?

    Most of the characters are putatively Democrats (I don't think they specify) and they are VILE.

    BTW, that scene with Jonah and his uncle in the hospital was just amazing. Every moment was beautiful.

    Armando Ianucci is not English but Scottish.
    You can probably tell by the name

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  101. Karl says:
    @Tiny Duck
    we need to remember that white men have sexually assaulted Women of Color for centuries. This is karma

    I do find it funny that white dads have to shut up and take it. Not so tough now are you?

    I made some real easy money by importing a 20-foot container of “whitening cream” to West Africa. The stuff sells itself

    The redpill reality is that house-slave women COMPETED with each other to sleep with the slave-owner

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    Willing to bet your people spend more tanning.

    The redpill reality is that interracial porn speaks to many of your fantasies.
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  102. Fredrik says:
    @Ivy
    How much more suppression will the English tolerate? Why is there not more outrage? It would be instructive to survey residents objectively about such matters and to have those responses disseminated widely. Perhaps there are no stipends or grants available for eager junior academics to rise to the occasion.

    The English have instead been told by the tabloids to be outraged about the EU.

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    Even if the Semitic cultural world (here represented by “moderate” Islam) perpetrates no further outrages upon the West, they have succeeded in importing and normalizing their idiotic and paralyzing political style: nothing can ever be discussed, and absolutely everything is always a tribal feud, regardless of the facts.

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  104. @jtgw
    If only she hadn't apologized afterwards. She must have known she couldn't keep her job so at least she could have kept her dignity.

    “She must have known she couldn’t keep her job so at least she could have kept her dignity.”

    Keep her dignity? Not with that conspicuous grey patch of hair. Understandable why she wanted a more flattering picture, but perhaps didn’t think to ring up Vidal Sassoon: “If you don’t look good, we don’t look good.”

    Side note: Why do so many everyday Brits look so much below ordinary? Is it a poor diet? Non-fluoride in their water? First the teeth and then the bland nondescript look. We in the US really do look better then they, in all sorts of ways. Especially our womenfolk.

    So this is the once great British Empire? Reduced to public servant resigning over a comment. Country being overrun with immigrants and turning their cities into no go zones, but telling the truth makes one resign in shame.

    Backing down so quickly isn’t very dignified.

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  105. Anonym says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Whether you've been cucked by living in the UK and internalizing their warped mindset or you're a natural apologist for child abusers, you're a pretty disgusting piece of work.

    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.
     
    (1) Any citations for this speculation? (2) 20yo or even late teen girls voluntarily consorting with young men is the same as pre-teens being raped and threatened by middle-aged men?
    (3) Young US soldiers in WW2 are example of "older criminal underworld men"?

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.
     
    (1) White transport worker sheltering girl trying to run away from non-white pimp is the same as non-white transport worker pimping girl? The nuance this adds to the Rotherham case is...? In fact, its relevance to the Rotherham case is...?

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis.
     
    The girls in Rotherham were not runaways. Many lived with their parents, and there were cases where the mothers of the rape victims raised the children born of rape. The girls weren't bumming rides in taxis to skip out of town, they were taking taxis from school, etc. Read the fucking reports, you asshole.

    today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits
     
    Rapists of pre-teen and early teen girls shouted "Allahu Akbar" in court. How many British cities without Paki Muslims have child sex abuse ring problem? How many?

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape...
     
    Most of the girls were reported to be ages 11-15.

    ...even if it wasn’t by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant.
     
    The details of holding girls down, threatening them and their families, etc is in the Wikipedia article and news reports.

    You're not adding "nuance", you're just lying and dissembling. If you don't have a good reason to throw doubt on the reports, you're just a disgusting dishonest apologist for child rape.

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy.
     
    Did I say "dissembling?" Sorry, I meant "dissembling xenophilic turd." I ask again, how many cities without Paki Muslims have this problem? You say it's an old typically British problem. Put some numbers out there. I want to to see how "the real story" is somehow that economic deprivation is correlated with massive child rape scandals in Britain.

    One of the pre-teen victims went to the police at the time of the crime with her parents, and the police ignored her. I want to know how that's about Thatcherism and not immigration and multiculturalism.

    You're not adding nuance, you're just obfuscating the problem and throwing guilt where it doesn't belong. Crap, I'm glad you're not my neighbor.

    The movie “The Full Monty” was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes.
     
    I see. A fiction about grown men's tongue-in-cheek cabaret is "a bit of taking off clothes fun" in the same way as the reality of mass child rape. I guess the only question is "whose bit of fun"? Is it the social deprivation causing the poor Paki Muslims to lose taxi fares, necessitating the Paki Muslims' "bit of fun" or is it--in your view--the girls' social deprivation which causes the girls to seek out "a bit of fun" from the Paki Muslims? Yes, that's right. It does sound like you're a bit of a pervert. Your "maybe they did it willingly" and "there were mitigating circumstances" perspectives in the face of evidence sound exactly like the rationalizations of pedophiles. Again, you're a dissembler I wager.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain.
     
    Again with the lack of numbers, but Hell, no need for numbers! I'll take anecdotes. Please tell me the old story about the ring of white British taxi drivers who were holding down and impregnating 11-15 year old girls and then threatening to light them on fire. No doubt, you've got a bunch of stories about that from the Bad Old Days before Cool Britannia and Paki Muslims. Sounds just like the England that resisted Hitler, right? I mean, bad teeth, "shagadelic", and pedophilic white cab drivers were all part of Mike Meyers' 007 spoof for good reason, right?

    You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.
     
    Yeah, yeah. Hotelier/prostitution and taxi-driver/grooming-rape-threat-cycle. It just goes with the territory, right? I think we've all got your number by now, perv.

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.
     
    This was not a social worker report like "over-worked busybody writes up guesswork after a long day", it was a commissioned investigation that estimated 1400 "conservatively", and:

    "The National Crime Agency (NCA) has... a team of more than 100 working on [it]...
    "Last year, the NCA said investigators ... were confident that Prof Jay was right when she said the total was around 1,400.
    "

    I'd like to know your critique of the report calling into question her conclusions.

    Also, I'd like to know what level of mass child rape is okay. I mean, if you're attacking the number 1400, then 1000 is okay? 500 is okay? Well, it was just a bit of taking off clothes fun, anyway, right? And the Brits do it to each other, don't they? And they were just white trash left over from the steal industry anyway, right? I mean, Rotherham deserves to die just like the post-industrial communities of New York State. Just ask Kevin Williamson.

    No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.
     
    So "clearly" that you're going to give us links that show the problem is widespread in non-Paki-Muslim areas and that young women prostitutes are the same as girls getting rides home in taxis, right?

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the “courage” to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime.
     
    Actually, windbag that you are, you haven't introduced any nuance, just dishonest speculation and despicable innuendo. Moreover, you completely ignored the issue germane to the "courage," which is the institutional silencing of investigating and reporting because of anti-racist/xenophilic ideology. It did take courage to say it for those reasons. Too bad. It shouldn't have to take courage for any Brit to speak out against people who are aliens, mooches*, and predators and have overstayed their ill-considered welcome.


    *And I mean that in both the British and American meanings!!

    I used my agree on a previous post but yours should be gold edged. Bravo.

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  106. @guest
    I've long promoted the idea of a sort of paper-only or "lawyer emeritus" certificate for affirmative action lawyers. They get to pass, and they get hired, but they never see a courtroom or have any significant contact with the law.

    Stick them in an office as diversity consultant, have them teach black legal studies, whatever.

    Many such people exist in just such jobs. They either don’t sit the bar exam at all in the first instance, are perennially sitting the exam, or give up after failing it but no one talks about it. They work as “consultants” to firms or have all their stuff signed off on by licensed lawyers in house.

    So-Called Diversity Poobahs and any number of academics fit the bill especially well.

    I technically fall into the latter category nowadays, though only because I no longer hold a license by choice.

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  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Chrisnonymous
    Whether you've been cucked by living in the UK and internalizing their warped mindset or you're a natural apologist for child abusers, you're a pretty disgusting piece of work.

    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.
     
    (1) Any citations for this speculation? (2) 20yo or even late teen girls voluntarily consorting with young men is the same as pre-teens being raped and threatened by middle-aged men?
    (3) Young US soldiers in WW2 are example of "older criminal underworld men"?

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.
     
    (1) White transport worker sheltering girl trying to run away from non-white pimp is the same as non-white transport worker pimping girl? The nuance this adds to the Rotherham case is...? In fact, its relevance to the Rotherham case is...?

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis.
     
    The girls in Rotherham were not runaways. Many lived with their parents, and there were cases where the mothers of the rape victims raised the children born of rape. The girls weren't bumming rides in taxis to skip out of town, they were taking taxis from school, etc. Read the fucking reports, you asshole.

    today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits
     
    Rapists of pre-teen and early teen girls shouted "Allahu Akbar" in court. How many British cities without Paki Muslims have child sex abuse ring problem? How many?

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape...
     
    Most of the girls were reported to be ages 11-15.

    ...even if it wasn’t by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant.
     
    The details of holding girls down, threatening them and their families, etc is in the Wikipedia article and news reports.

    You're not adding "nuance", you're just lying and dissembling. If you don't have a good reason to throw doubt on the reports, you're just a disgusting dishonest apologist for child rape.

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy.
     
    Did I say "dissembling?" Sorry, I meant "dissembling xenophilic turd." I ask again, how many cities without Paki Muslims have this problem? You say it's an old typically British problem. Put some numbers out there. I want to to see how "the real story" is somehow that economic deprivation is correlated with massive child rape scandals in Britain.

    One of the pre-teen victims went to the police at the time of the crime with her parents, and the police ignored her. I want to know how that's about Thatcherism and not immigration and multiculturalism.

    You're not adding nuance, you're just obfuscating the problem and throwing guilt where it doesn't belong. Crap, I'm glad you're not my neighbor.

    The movie “The Full Monty” was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes.
     
    I see. A fiction about grown men's tongue-in-cheek cabaret is "a bit of taking off clothes fun" in the same way as the reality of mass child rape. I guess the only question is "whose bit of fun"? Is it the social deprivation causing the poor Paki Muslims to lose taxi fares, necessitating the Paki Muslims' "bit of fun" or is it--in your view--the girls' social deprivation which causes the girls to seek out "a bit of fun" from the Paki Muslims? Yes, that's right. It does sound like you're a bit of a pervert. Your "maybe they did it willingly" and "there were mitigating circumstances" perspectives in the face of evidence sound exactly like the rationalizations of pedophiles. Again, you're a dissembler I wager.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain.
     
    Again with the lack of numbers, but Hell, no need for numbers! I'll take anecdotes. Please tell me the old story about the ring of white British taxi drivers who were holding down and impregnating 11-15 year old girls and then threatening to light them on fire. No doubt, you've got a bunch of stories about that from the Bad Old Days before Cool Britannia and Paki Muslims. Sounds just like the England that resisted Hitler, right? I mean, bad teeth, "shagadelic", and pedophilic white cab drivers were all part of Mike Meyers' 007 spoof for good reason, right?

    You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.
     
    Yeah, yeah. Hotelier/prostitution and taxi-driver/grooming-rape-threat-cycle. It just goes with the territory, right? I think we've all got your number by now, perv.

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.
     
    This was not a social worker report like "over-worked busybody writes up guesswork after a long day", it was a commissioned investigation that estimated 1400 "conservatively", and:

    "The National Crime Agency (NCA) has... a team of more than 100 working on [it]...
    "Last year, the NCA said investigators ... were confident that Prof Jay was right when she said the total was around 1,400.
    "

    I'd like to know your critique of the report calling into question her conclusions.

    Also, I'd like to know what level of mass child rape is okay. I mean, if you're attacking the number 1400, then 1000 is okay? 500 is okay? Well, it was just a bit of taking off clothes fun, anyway, right? And the Brits do it to each other, don't they? And they were just white trash left over from the steal industry anyway, right? I mean, Rotherham deserves to die just like the post-industrial communities of New York State. Just ask Kevin Williamson.

    No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.
     
    So "clearly" that you're going to give us links that show the problem is widespread in non-Paki-Muslim areas and that young women prostitutes are the same as girls getting rides home in taxis, right?

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the “courage” to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime.
     
    Actually, windbag that you are, you haven't introduced any nuance, just dishonest speculation and despicable innuendo. Moreover, you completely ignored the issue germane to the "courage," which is the institutional silencing of investigating and reporting because of anti-racist/xenophilic ideology. It did take courage to say it for those reasons. Too bad. It shouldn't have to take courage for any Brit to speak out against people who are aliens, mooches*, and predators and have overstayed their ill-considered welcome.


    *And I mean that in both the British and American meanings!!

    Well, exactly.

    Crap, I’m glad you’re not my neighbor.

    I’m afraid Mr. Mason’s take — that involvement in child prostitution is an occupational risk of professions Muslims are over-represented in, with “Thatcherism” as an accelerant — is a very common take amongst the nuanced British smart set. But this

    delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps

    mischaracterization of the exchange of drugs (given to cause addictions that would ensure repeat custom) to partake in racially-targeted rape by enormous gangs of racial-rhetoric-spouting, clan-networked, clan-protected foreigners enforcing the transaction with torture and threats is a little more nuance than I’m used to.

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  108. Anonym says:
    @jtgw
    If only she hadn't apologized afterwards. She must have known she couldn't keep her job so at least she could have kept her dignity.

    If only she hadn’t apologized afterwards. She must have known she couldn’t keep her job so at least she could have kept her dignity.

    I agree. It also works better to be fired than to resign as it exposes the party for what it is, and shows courage to boot.

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    It also works better to be fired than to resign as it exposes the party for what it is, and shows courage to boot.
     
    I agree with that on principle (with Mr. jtgw too), but as people live so close to the edge with their finances - yes, even some kind of government minister, whatever she is, I would not at all be surprised - that they are very beholden to their employer. Perhaps she was offered some kind of severance "package" if she resigned peacefully.

    This is a real problem, as no one will take a stand if they can't even go a month or two without the direct-deposit virtual paychecks arriving right on schedule.

    Now, after reading other comments about her, I doubt this woman would really take a stand like some kind of real man with honor would, but yeah, refusing to apologize and sticking to your guns until they fire you would still be a lot better than groveling.
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  109. notanon says:
    @StillCARealist
    "up to 50% of blue collar men will get convicted of fighting / adrenaline related crime during their late teens and early twenties cos peak testosterone"

    Well I have a hard time buying this one too. I know that young men cause most of the crime problems in society but it isn't 50% of the blue collars (whatever percentage of all young males that is). Isn't it true that 25% of all black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are in jail or on parole/probation? I may not have the ages exactly right but it's something like that. If you mean all the blue collar boys of all races then I just can't see it. Most boys get over the fighting by the time they're 16, from what I've seen. and while they may get suspended from school for fighting, they're not going to get a criminal conviction.

    dunno – where i grew up getting a single conviction between the ages of say 15 and 25 for something along the lines of getting into a fight or driving too fast was considered normal. we’re not talking professional criminals just young lads being stupid.

    i appreciate it’s completely different in other social circles.

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  110. Cortes says:

    She looks suspiciously fair skinned.

    Meanwhile back at the Guardian:

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/21/eni-aluko-england-manager-mark-sampson-ebola

    Now, the young woman who volunteered to help in the Ebola outbreak (Pauline Cafferkey) – bog Irish background *- and endured a horrendous series of medical problems plus investigations by her licensing bodies.

    Plus suffered attacks from media whores like Katie Hopkins.

    But hey, that’s OK.

    * Surname is common on the island where my dad’s family is from.

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  111. notanon says:
    @guest
    What is with the euphemism "grooming gangs?" Sounds like a pack of cosmetologists.

    people in the UK needed a euphemism for “Muslim rape gangs” to avoid being arrested.

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  112. notanon says:
    @George
    Why are the Mirpuries in the UK? The British government decided that Pakistan needed a dam where the Mirpuries lived. So the British government resettled the Mirpuries to the UK. There was probably a great deal of corruption, but IMO the UK needed to fill up vacant real estate and they also had trouble finding low paid workers for legacy textile industries, that all closed down anyway, but the factory owners got an extra decade may be of operation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangla_Dam#Displacement_and_resettlement

    I wonder if she substituted Mirpuri for Pakistani if it would have been acceptable.

    not true

    the dam was built was built after independence but at the time it was built Britain still had laws saying anyone from ex-colonies could come to UK.

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  113. notanon says:
    @helena
    That was the first startling realisation when the news started leaking out - police officers did not understand that a girl under 16 cannot legally consent.

    if a gang of white men were brazenly doing this the police would be on them in ten seconds.

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  114. Anonym says:

    Somewhat on-topic:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/21/paypal-bans-jihad-watch-from-accepting-donations/

    The usual suspects, SPLC and Silicon Valley.

    If you are donating to Steve, make sure you follow Lot’s instructions.

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    I used to leave my eBay earnings in my PayPal account. The other day I decided to transfer everything out. If PayPal is going to decide how I can spend my money, I don't want them holding onto it. "You're not my parents!" as teenagers say.
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  115. notanon says:

    as an aside these crimes were a significant aspect of the Brexit vote as for the people who knew, Merkel opening the EU’s borders meant it was going to get a lot worse.

    also why the vote was partly split along class lines – as the people who knew mostly lived in less salubrious areas.

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  116. @George
    Rape is probably short for statutory rape or something called 'grooming'. Certainly not right, but likely consensual. It is more of a statement of the poor condition of white England.

    Right, large men holding down young girls is consensual.
    “George”, your real name is probably Ahkbar . . . go back to your 3rd world hell hole

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  117. @helena
    That was the first startling realisation when the news started leaking out - police officers did not understand that a girl under 16 cannot legally consent.

    oh, they understood – the PTB told them to cover up the muzzie violent crime wave. Playing dumb went with the cover up.

    Tony Blair and his ilk wanted to rub the “conservatives” noses in “diversity”, a thoroughly documented fact

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    Tony Blair and Bill Clinton were asshole buddies bent on imposing their perverted view of the world. Neither one has much repute these days, although Slick Willie got trotted out enough during the recent campaign to make many Americans wish that he would drag his hag back to Chappaqua and stay indoors.

    Blair had his international tour of remuneration and Rolodex building to secure his dotage. Both knew enough secrets to keep people at bay, even if their positions as diminished former world leaders repulsed many. At least Blair didn't try to pal around with Thatcher the way that Clinton did with GHW Bush. Based on that little ray of hope, there might be a glimmer of hope for Little England.
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  118. It wasn’t just Rotherham – reports of the same Moslem-rape-gangs come from several cities all over the UK.

    It’s what Moslems do.

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  119. @Clyde
    She is still an MP and she got to say her piece. She said it as directly as can be done so good for her. “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.” Though she left out the word Muslim and these men are not British. A Chinese tourist would laugh if told that a Pakistani is British.

    Your ignorance smells, Google what the people of Xinjiang look like, yet they are “Chinese”.

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  120. Ivy says:
    @Sarah Toga
    oh, they understood - the PTB told them to cover up the muzzie violent crime wave. Playing dumb went with the cover up.

    Tony Blair and his ilk wanted to rub the "conservatives" noses in "diversity", a thoroughly documented fact

    Tony Blair and Bill Clinton were asshole buddies bent on imposing their perverted view of the world. Neither one has much repute these days, although Slick Willie got trotted out enough during the recent campaign to make many Americans wish that he would drag his hag back to Chappaqua and stay indoors.

    Blair had his international tour of remuneration and Rolodex building to secure his dotage. Both knew enough secrets to keep people at bay, even if their positions as diminished former world leaders repulsed many. At least Blair didn’t try to pal around with Thatcher the way that Clinton did with GHW Bush. Based on that little ray of hope, there might be a glimmer of hope for Little England.

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  121. @Karl
    I made some real easy money by importing a 20-foot container of "whitening cream" to West Africa. The stuff sells itself

    The redpill reality is that house-slave women COMPETED with each other to sleep with the slave-owner

    Willing to bet your people spend more tanning.

    The redpill reality is that interracial porn speaks to many of your fantasies.

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    It's funny how white men just refuse to accept that white girls lust after Black Men

    I feel bad for you Africans getting constantly harassed by white girls. I'm sure it's awesome at first but gets annoying after awhile
    , @Johann Ricke

    Willing to bet your people spend more tanning.

    The redpill reality is that interracial porn speaks to many of your fantasies.
     

    The thing with tans is that I get the impression people want to look like they spend their leisure time sailing, playing tennis and other fun outdoor activities. If white people wanted to look like Africans, they'd have their hair done up in Afros or dreadlocks, get nose jobs, have operations done to achieve the strung-out bug-eyed look, etc. Heck, black dialect would be standard English, and what is now standard English would be denigrated as the vernacular of the uncouth.

    As to interracial porn, I suspect black guys like seeing blacks in these roles just as they like to see them as doctors, lawyers, computer hackers or even rocket scientists. That's why movies like Hidden Figures have a market.

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  122. @Jason Liu
    It's disgusting there's even an office called "Equalities minister" to begin with

    The fruits of too many people ignoring The First Emperor’s Sage advice.

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  123. @Chrisnonymous

    I do find it funny that white dads have to shut up and take it.
     
    Hey, Unz, you said you were going to block commenters who just troll. Still waiting....

    By Jove, are you by any chance “triggered”??

    It’s just words man, jeez who’s ever serious on the internet?

    Quit calling for a safe space man, embrace thought diversity.

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  124. @Jonathan Mason
    I think the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think. Probably it goes back to World War II when young women often consorted with occupying US soldiers for profit.

    I was once held at knife point by a black pimp in Liverpool circa 1970, in a case of mistaken identity when I had been confused with the British Rail train driver who lived in the flat downstairs who had been sheltering a runaway teenage girl who had bummed a ride on his train.

    Teenaged runaways need transportation. In those days perhaps trains could help, today taxis. and today a lot of taxi businesses are run by Asians who are Muslims, Islam being the default religion for them by birth, just as Church of England is the default for native Brits unless they are Scots, in which case it is Presbyterian.

    Being too young to have a driving license is closely linked with being too young to have legal sex, and underage sex is now known as rape even if it wasn't by physical force and the young woman concerned was a willing participant. In the UK the legal age of consent is 16 for sex, but 18 for paid sex (as far as I know).

    The real story of Rotherham is the decline of the British steel industy. The movie "The Full Monty" was a bit of fun in which unemployed Sheffield steel workers tried to make a living by taking off their clothes. Rotherham is part of the Sheffield metropolitan area and suffers from high unemployment, poor housing, and social deprivation.

    Unlicensed taxi drivers have always had a loose association with crime and prostitution in particular, and this almost certainly predates the Pakistani takeover of this business in large swathes of Britain. (You might compare this with many motels used for prostitution in the US being run by Indians. It is not that Indians particularly favor prostitution, just that than business obviously contributes a not insignificant amount of income to the room rental business.)

    On a slightly different point, the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report. No one really knows how many, but clearly there is a long local history of delinquent girls earning extra money by prostituting, and of men acting as facilitators or pimps.

    So, in a long winded way, what I am saying is that the whole business is a bit more nuanced than just having the "courage" to say that Britains of Pakistani descent who are nominally Muslims are involved in organized crime. Yes, they are, for what it is worth, but then consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    consider that over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Yes, prosecuted and convicted, and so will these Pakis. We will turn our attention against them

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  125. Tiny Duck says:
    @Detective Club
    Just when one thought that execrable Tiny Duck could not descend any lower, he vomits out this little gem. Tiny Duck, you make scum rise supremely above your miserable existence in this Vale of Tears. You should change your name to Duck Butter.

    Did I trigger you? Do you need a safe space?

    Man I thought you guys weren’t snowflakes

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  126. Tiny Duck says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    Willing to bet your people spend more tanning.

    The redpill reality is that interracial porn speaks to many of your fantasies.

    It’s funny how white men just refuse to accept that white girls lust after Black Men

    I feel bad for you Africans getting constantly harassed by white girls. I’m sure it’s awesome at first but gets annoying after awhile

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  127. @Anonym
    Somewhat on-topic:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/21/paypal-bans-jihad-watch-from-accepting-donations/

    The usual suspects, SPLC and Silicon Valley.

    If you are donating to Steve, make sure you follow Lot's instructions.

    I used to leave my eBay earnings in my PayPal account. The other day I decided to transfer everything out. If PayPal is going to decide how I can spend my money, I don’t want them holding onto it. “You’re not my parents!” as teenagers say.

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  128. Moses says:
    @Clyde
    She is still an MP and she got to say her piece. She said it as directly as can be done so good for her. “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.” Though she left out the word Muslim and these men are not British. A Chinese tourist would laugh if told that a Pakistani is British.

    First rule of dealing with SJWs: Never, ever apologize. It’s accepting their frame and an admission of guilt under their terms. There is no upside to it.

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  129. @George
    Why are the Mirpuries in the UK? The British government decided that Pakistan needed a dam where the Mirpuries lived. So the British government resettled the Mirpuries to the UK. There was probably a great deal of corruption, but IMO the UK needed to fill up vacant real estate and they also had trouble finding low paid workers for legacy textile industries, that all closed down anyway, but the factory owners got an extra decade may be of operation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangla_Dam#Displacement_and_resettlement

    I wonder if she substituted Mirpuri for Pakistani if it would have been acceptable.

    Pakistani immigrants in Britain tend to blame all social pathologies on “those Miripuris”.

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  130. Moses says:
    @George
    I think it is painful for people to believe that 13 yro English girls will drop their knickers for very little remuneration, but that is the state of England today. Instead of complaining about foreigners, how about complaining about what English institutions are doing to raise White English girls in a proper manner. Why is the Church of England subsidized if they are doing such a terrible job?

    Couldn’t agree more. It’s all the 13 year old girls’ and their fathers’ fault. Feral Pakis know not what they do.

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  131. BBC Asks If Response to Grooming Gangs Is Racist

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  132. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Her resignation on Wednesday afternoon came after more than 100 cross-party MPs led by the Labour MP Naz Shah wrote to the Sun to condemn an article by one of its columnists….

    Perhaps Naz Shah simply prefers the current situation to one in which Pakistani men have nobody to rape but Pakistani women. Or Pakistani boys, like they do at home.

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  133. @StillCARealist
    "up to 50% of blue collar men will get convicted of fighting / adrenaline related crime during their late teens and early twenties cos peak testosterone"

    Well I have a hard time buying this one too. I know that young men cause most of the crime problems in society but it isn't 50% of the blue collars (whatever percentage of all young males that is). Isn't it true that 25% of all black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are in jail or on parole/probation? I may not have the ages exactly right but it's something like that. If you mean all the blue collar boys of all races then I just can't see it. Most boys get over the fighting by the time they're 16, from what I've seen. and while they may get suspended from school for fighting, they're not going to get a criminal conviction.

    Realise, though, that nowadays the schools call in police everytime students fart and cough. My brothers and I got in a hojillion fistfights growing up; the three of us were a notorious dynasty to the principals as we worked our way through the schools. (We were tough little bastards who didn’t brook anyone pushing us around, not bullies.) If we were growing up today, we’d have been detained and carted off to a juveniles’ facility and adjudicated delinquent ten times before finishing middle school.

    I’m somewhat – but only very slightly – sympathetic to the problem that some children nowadays are raping and stabbing and all kinds of crazy shit that is decidedly not within the realm of normal, youthful fisticuffs, but an awful lot that ought to be de-escalated in situ by teachers, principals, and even police or other disinterested adults (when the belligerents are themselves young adults) by separating the parties and admonishing them to cool it is now handled by formal criminal proceedings: another result of heterogenous (i.e., “diverse”) overpopulated societies with no trust, and government replacing community….

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    What would you do with your youthful self now if you were a HS principal or teacher? I don't know all the details, of course, but from your description I would have booted you out of my school pronto. Problem is most principals don't have that kind of discretion anymore. They have to be social workers and fill-in parents for fatherless trouble-makers.

    There's a mom on our soccer team whose son is constantly in trouble at school. The mom has all sorts of explanations and excuses but honestly, he's an undisciplined brat. When the time came to tell the kids that no cursing would be allowed in soccer, he grinned broadly and announced that he knows ALL the bad words. The dad is gone and the mom has to work all the time. Even when his parents were together he was defiant and difficult (at seven, mind you). For some kids, the traditional school is always going to be a mismatch, and I have the ultimate sympathy for the teachers who have to deal with his type every day.
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  134. helena says:

    Anyway, all of it, the response to grooming and everything else, is just an excuse to gain ground; money, territory, power. That’s all any of these diaspora want.

    Response to terrrorism –> Prevent. Response by Muslims – not effective, must divert funds to community elders instead. No other way to ‘solve’ the problem, muslims won’t cooperate with Prevent.

    It’s the same every time – community causes a problem, govt funds invested in community to solve perceived cause of problem.

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  135. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Peter Frost
    the issue of female working class runaways and delinquents interacting with older criminal underworld men in the UK is a much older problem than most people think.

    There has always been a pool of young girls who are vulnerable to manipulation and sexual exploitation. The "prey" have always existed. What has changed is the predator population. You gave the example of American servicemen during WWII, but those men were court-martialed, and often executed, when found guilty of rape.

    the number of 1400 underage girls being sexually abused over a period of years in Rotherham is pure guesswork on the part of a social worker report.

    It's a conservative estimate:

    "... the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency."

     

    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    There is another way to arrive at an estimate. In Western countries, boys outnumber girls at birth, and this gender gap gradually shrinks through the higher mortality of boys until it is gone by the age of 20. This trend holds true in Rotherham up to the 15-19 age group, at which point the gender gap widens. There seem to be around 500 girls unaccounted for. This figure would capture only the final “confinement” stage of grooming and would exclude earlier stages when the girl is voluntarily living with her Pakistani boyfriend.

    Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council. (2013). Demographic Profile of Rotherham.

    over 30% of British men born in 1953 have been convicted of a crime, and those will be 99% white men.

    Reference please? (for both statements). You may be right. I once worked for a British immigrant who told me he had a criminal record in the United Kingdom, and this made it difficult for him to apply for certain kinds of work. His crime? Not having a TV licence. If your household watches TV, they're supposed to have a special licence.

    Right, you are supposed to have a license and they have “Detector Vans” with spectrum analyzers and directional antennas and they look for the local oscillator emissions. However, you are allowed to have a TV with a screen under a certain number of inches without a license, so how they tell the difference is a mystery to me. As well, you can get TV tuner cards for PCs. Do they need a license? Who knows?

    “Shield the LO and the screen drivers” is an idea not au courant in England apparently.

    For decades, the spy services in the UK would hunt alleged spies using shortwave receivers by similar means, using hand built “straight receivers”-that is, the old TRF design not commercially made since Atwater Kent was the leading edge of consumotronics. The US approach was, you guessed it, shielding the local oscillator and mixer stages and having a untuned RF amp as the first stage. Wasn’t rocket science. Worked much better.

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  136. WJ says:
    @whorefinder
    Steve, please stop trying to make the commie who makes unwatched crap like Veep into a thing for your readers. We really don't find it enlightening or amusing to wade through 21 minutes of anti-right insults to find that 1 minute of a sitcom where they make a half-hearted joke that's anti-p.c. that you think is "subversive."

    In reality, you and every anti-Lefter watching is being played. They get their ratings jacked up and you get insulted for 99% of the time and they get their propaganda out
    .

    Perhaps it’s a provincial bias since Mr. Sailer lives in La La Land but he does have a tilt towards the entertainment industry that I tune out. I couldn’t care less about their movies or their garbage tv shows that aren’t clever. I have cut the cable and feel good about not funding these clowns. The same goes for the NFL.

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    Perhaps it’s a provincial bias since Mr. Sailer lives in La La Land but he does have a tilt towards the entertainment industry that I tune out.
     
    Yeah, it's a bit provincial. He does have some friends in the industry he's mentioned but never named, to protect their jobs, and his style of writing lend itself to their stories and the shows on TV. Also, I would not be surprised at all if a few of these producers targeted Steve as an "influencer" in the non-Left market that they try to get to mention their products 0ne in a while. Especially for niche, little watched "smart" shows such as the crap that is Veep, a few more intellectuals on the non-Left giving them eyeballs would make a significant increase in their viewership numbers.
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  137. @Anonym
    If only she hadn’t apologized afterwards. She must have known she couldn’t keep her job so at least she could have kept her dignity.

    I agree. It also works better to be fired than to resign as it exposes the party for what it is, and shows courage to boot.

    It also works better to be fired than to resign as it exposes the party for what it is, and shows courage to boot.

    I agree with that on principle (with Mr. jtgw too), but as people live so close to the edge with their finances – yes, even some kind of government minister, whatever she is, I would not at all be surprised – that they are very beholden to their employer. Perhaps she was offered some kind of severance “package” if she resigned peacefully.

    This is a real problem, as no one will take a stand if they can’t even go a month or two without the direct-deposit virtual paychecks arriving right on schedule.

    Now, after reading other comments about her, I doubt this woman would really take a stand like some kind of real man with honor would, but yeah, refusing to apologize and sticking to your guns until they fire you would still be a lot better than groveling.

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    @WJ
    Perhaps it's a provincial bias since Mr. Sailer lives in La La Land but he does have a tilt towards the entertainment industry that I tune out. I couldn't care less about their movies or their garbage tv shows that aren't clever. I have cut the cable and feel good about not funding these clowns. The same goes for the NFL.

    Perhaps it’s a provincial bias since Mr. Sailer lives in La La Land but he does have a tilt towards the entertainment industry that I tune out.

    Yeah, it’s a bit provincial. He does have some friends in the industry he’s mentioned but never named, to protect their jobs, and his style of writing lend itself to their stories and the shows on TV. Also, I would not be surprised at all if a few of these producers targeted Steve as an “influencer” in the non-Left market that they try to get to mention their products 0ne in a while. Especially for niche, little watched “smart” shows such as the crap that is Veep, a few more intellectuals on the non-Left giving them eyeballs would make a significant increase in their viewership numbers.

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  139. SKIP says:

    After mentioning ANYTHING detrimental (read that as truth) about muslims or blacks those that do almost immediately grovel, apologize, cry they are not racisssssssss then resign. Fuckin cowards, they and we all know they were right in what they said against the perpetually outraged.

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  140. @Autochthon
    Realise, though, that nowadays the schools call in police everytime students fart and cough. My brothers and I got in a hojillion fistfights growing up; the three of us were a notorious dynasty to the principals as we worked our way through the schools. (We were tough little bastards who didn't brook anyone pushing us around, not bullies.) If we were growing up today, we'd have been detained and carted off to a juveniles' facility and adjudicated delinquent ten times before finishing middle school.

    I'm somewhat – but only very slightly – sympathetic to the problem that some children nowadays are raping and stabbing and all kinds of crazy shit that is decidedly not within the realm of normal, youthful fisticuffs, but an awful lot that ought to be de-escalated in situ by teachers, principals, and even police or other disinterested adults (when the belligerents are themselves young adults) by separating the parties and admonishing them to cool it is now handled by formal criminal proceedings: another result of heterogenous (i.e., "diverse") overpopulated societies with no trust, and government replacing community....

    What would you do with your youthful self now if you were a HS principal or teacher? I don’t know all the details, of course, but from your description I would have booted you out of my school pronto. Problem is most principals don’t have that kind of discretion anymore. They have to be social workers and fill-in parents for fatherless trouble-makers.

    There’s a mom on our soccer team whose son is constantly in trouble at school. The mom has all sorts of explanations and excuses but honestly, he’s an undisciplined brat. When the time came to tell the kids that no cursing would be allowed in soccer, he grinned broadly and announced that he knows ALL the bad words. The dad is gone and the mom has to work all the time. Even when his parents were together he was defiant and difficult (at seven, mind you). For some kids, the traditional school is always going to be a mismatch, and I have the ultimate sympathy for the teachers who have to deal with his type every day.

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    I'd have done just as my principals did: given me the swift kicks in the pants boys need: suspensions, detentions, involved my parents – heck, paddling was still done at my elementary school.

    Please don't misundertand: I am sympathetic to the teachers and principals who think the policy of calling police at the drop of a hat is as stupid as I think it is: they should have discretion, and the backing of parents (as they did in the bad old days when communities existed – I'd write homogeneous communities again, but I realise it is a redundant term...).

    Back when, after the pricipal paddled you at school our dad whipped you at home. Nowadays the principal dare not lay a hand on brats and in any event the mothers (as you point out, dad is now nowhere to be found...) bluster and threaten lawsuits if the brat is so much as admonished. With older kids it is worse: when a fistfight in the high school's cafeteria might once have ended with burly Coach Johnson pulliing the knuckleheads apart, maybe even with a bit of rough handling to make his point, then forcing them to shake hands and apologise, nowadays they must be left to beat each other until police arrive, who will then arrest both and book them for assualt. It is ridiculous.
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  141. @StillCARealist
    What would you do with your youthful self now if you were a HS principal or teacher? I don't know all the details, of course, but from your description I would have booted you out of my school pronto. Problem is most principals don't have that kind of discretion anymore. They have to be social workers and fill-in parents for fatherless trouble-makers.

    There's a mom on our soccer team whose son is constantly in trouble at school. The mom has all sorts of explanations and excuses but honestly, he's an undisciplined brat. When the time came to tell the kids that no cursing would be allowed in soccer, he grinned broadly and announced that he knows ALL the bad words. The dad is gone and the mom has to work all the time. Even when his parents were together he was defiant and difficult (at seven, mind you). For some kids, the traditional school is always going to be a mismatch, and I have the ultimate sympathy for the teachers who have to deal with his type every day.

    I’d have done just as my principals did: given me the swift kicks in the pants boys need: suspensions, detentions, involved my parents – heck, paddling was still done at my elementary school.

    Please don’t misundertand: I am sympathetic to the teachers and principals who think the policy of calling police at the drop of a hat is as stupid as I think it is: they should have discretion, and the backing of parents (as they did in the bad old days when communities existed – I’d write homogeneous communities again, but I realise it is a redundant term…).

    Back when, after the pricipal paddled you at school our dad whipped you at home. Nowadays the principal dare not lay a hand on brats and in any event the mothers (as you point out, dad is now nowhere to be found…) bluster and threaten lawsuits if the brat is so much as admonished. With older kids it is worse: when a fistfight in the high school’s cafeteria might once have ended with burly Coach Johnson pulliing the knuckleheads apart, maybe even with a bit of rough handling to make his point, then forcing them to shake hands and apologise, nowadays they must be left to beat each other until police arrive, who will then arrest both and book them for assualt. It is ridiculous.

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  142. syonredux says:
    @George
    I think it is painful for people to believe that 13 yro English girls will drop their knickers for very little remuneration, but that is the state of England today. Instead of complaining about foreigners, how about complaining about what English institutions are doing to raise White English girls in a proper manner. Why is the Church of England subsidized if they are doing such a terrible job?

    I think it is painful for people to believe that 13 yro English girls will drop their knickers for very little remuneration,

    Dear fellow, I don’t think that you really understand the scenario: A thirteen year old English girl is being threatened by a mob of Pakistani men……

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  143. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Willing to bet your people spend more tanning.

    The redpill reality is that interracial porn speaks to many of your fantasies.

    Willing to bet your people spend more tanning.

    The redpill reality is that interracial porn speaks to many of your fantasies.

    The thing with tans is that I get the impression people want to look like they spend their leisure time sailing, playing tennis and other fun outdoor activities. If white people wanted to look like Africans, they’d have their hair done up in Afros or dreadlocks, get nose jobs, have operations done to achieve the strung-out bug-eyed look, etc. Heck, black dialect would be standard English, and what is now standard English would be denigrated as the vernacular of the uncouth.

    As to interracial porn, I suspect black guys like seeing blacks in these roles just as they like to see them as doctors, lawyers, computer hackers or even rocket scientists. That’s why movies like Hidden Figures have a market.

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