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Bill Kristol: Shouldn’t an important U.S. foreign policy goal of the next couple of decades be regime change in China?

Max Boot: Sure, sure, all in good time, Bill, but in what’s left of 2018, our highest grand strategic priority must be regime change on North Sentinel Island.

Kristol: China has 1,386,000,000 people, Max, 92% of them Han. Operation Chinese Democracy will be a piece of cake.

Boot: You are not thinking strategically, Bill. As Admiral Mahan explains, North Sentinel Island would be the perfect coaling station for the Great White Fleet’s assault on China’s soft underbelly. From North Sentinel, we can steam up the Irrawaddy River to Mandalay, where our expeditionary force will hire elephants to carry them along the Burma Road over the Hump to Chungking. And if we don’t take North Sentinel Island now, Admiral Mahan notes, it will be ripe to fall into the hands of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Kristol: Good point …

Boot: I’ve identified the perfect chief for the North Sentinelese, their Ahmad Chalabi as it were: Evan McMullin.

Kristol: I was thinking of Evan more as our new Emperor of China.

Boot: Don’t be ridiculous. David French was born to be Emperor of China.

Kristol: Good point …

 
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  1. This is obviously satire. The real Max Boot is not that sensible.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • LOL: bomag, ACommenter
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    The real Max Boot is a vengeable psychopath - he is a dangerous to humanity. Plus he really hates himself and all his ideas...he really hates nature and animals ( I suspect he tortured his dogs & cats) so, I hate him. simple - he's a shit.
  2. They’re both so far off they’re not even wrong.

    First we take North Sentinel Island and enlist the natives. Easy as pie.

    Then we transport them for an amphibious attack on Russia by way of the Baltic Sea. From there they take Moscow and eliminate the Romanovs. Piece of Cake.

    Aren’t we at war with Russia?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Yes, I can see 2035, as the US military attempts its third surge to pacify the North Sentinelese insurgents.
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    First we take North Sentinel Island and enlist the natives. Easy as pie.
     
    Wouldn't Kristol and Boot want to chastise the natives severely for their retrograde attitude toward immigration? I can just hear Jonah Goldberg joining the chorus with his constant complaint about "Tribalism! Tribalism!"
    , @pyrrhus
    But where does Kaiser Wilhelm fit into this picture?
  3. Sorry Steve. There is too good a chance this conversation ACTUALLY HAPPENED to be funny.
    I do hear that French wants to run North Korea after it’s liberated, for some weird read on or other.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    He just wants to adopt some NorK orphans. Needs more points.
  4. … where it will be cheap to hire elephants to carry us along the Burma Road over the Hump to Chungking …

    Wouldn’t it be smarter logistically to to have the Military Airlift Command fly these elephants 2 by 2 in C-17’s across the hump after we secure a couple of good strips in Kunming? JP-4 is cheap right now, plus the taxpayers are springing for it anyway. Then, they can meet up with Generals Stillwell and Chiang and go from there …

    “Don’t get involved in a land war in Asia” (well, crap we just blew that one) and “it’s not worth it to build the Myanmar Road.”

    As for Emperor of the new Boot dynasty, I can’t think of anyone better than our very own Godfree Roberts – right here on unz.com! Commie to the core, a real man of the people’s.

    BTW, it’s Chongching now, if you don’t mind.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    BTW, it’s Chongching now, if you don’t mind.

     

    Sorry, you're still a step behind the times. It's Chongqing these days.

    You're right, though, that Bill and Max would surely want to use the up-to-date spellings that all of today's visionary world-savers favor.

    , @EH
    'BTW, it’s Chongching now, if you don’t mind."

    Most people in Chongching are men -- of China, obviously -- so can we call them Chongching Chinamen for short?
  5. China has 1,386,000,000 people.

    Nah, Mr. Kristol, you armchair Generals are always too pessimistic. We’ve already pinned down a million of them in the hills of Korea just south of the Yalu River. That leaves only 1,385,000,000 that are not already engaged … piece of Moon-Cake.

  6. It’s not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they’ve done in millennia past. I’m sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China’s elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China’s social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have “capitulated” to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the “narrative” by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol’s folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn’t failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I’d give Kristol’s people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Nah, They'll complain about the SPR (Strategic Pork Reserve) and the Chinese will make Hadrian look like the prissy little bi-otcth he was.
    , @Anonymous
    There is already a Holocaust memorial in Shanghei commemorating the Jews who...

    “lived in Shanghai during World War II after fleeing Europe to escape the Holocaust. It is located at the former Ohel Moshe or Moishe Synagogue, in the Tilanqiao Historic Area of Hongkou district, Shanghai, China. The museum features documents, photographs, films, and personal items documenting the lives of some of the more than 20,000 Jewish residents of the Restricted Sector for Stateless Refugees, better known as the Shanghai Ghetto, during the Japanese occupation of Shanghai.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Jewish_Refugees_Museum

     

    Who was the Jewish woman, the daughter of the Manhattan financier, who was instrumental in and helped finance the Chinese Communist Revolution?
    , @Desiderius
    That plan works until it doesn’t.

    Hey, hey, hey - sorry Bill, this is Chinatown.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    So you're saying Facebook is the opiate of the masses?
    , @El Dato

    At that point Kristol’s folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself
     
    All of these will be as nonexistent as Lex Luthor's Hidden Fortress.

    No wait, the only thing even today is "the power of the United States government itself" which is based on Carrier Battle Groups, which are not riding into the sunset but holding a steady course into it.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "they will be able to shape the “narrative” by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control"

    That's a very optimistic (from a US perspective) take. I think the Chinese public consciousness is not at all like the American one, and that perhaps the only way to subtly massage it could be with the aid of overseas Chinese. Who are they more likely to be loyal to?

    Eamon Fingleton


    The evidence is in: the Confucian values by which China is ruled are not only incompatible with those of the West, they prove strikingly more robust. Far from China changing, Westerners who do business in China are modifying their behavior–often quite troublingly–under Beijing’s influence. Picture a phalanx of chocolate soldiers marching into a blowtorch.

    The most common way Westerners compromise is simply by doing business “the Chinese way.” Writing from Shanghai in 2005, Peter S. Goodman of the Washington Post commented, “American business leaders often describe their China operations idealistically, suggesting that their presence here will compel Chinese competitors to adopt more ethical business practices. But in one key regard, the dynamic operates in reverse, with U.S. companies adopting Chinese-style tactics to secure sales, as they compete in a market in which Communist Party officials routinely control businesses, and purchasing agents consider kickbacks part of their salary.

    In the words of Carolyn Bartholomew, chairman of the United States-China Economic and Security Review Commission, many American companies have “Faustian bargains” with Beijing. She cites Yahoo!, Google, and Microsoft, which have agreed to abide by China’s censorship rules in serving Chinese Internet users. Yahoo! voluntarily handed over evidence that led to one Chinese Internet user being sentenced to ten years in prison. Bartholomew commented, “Far from capitalism changing the Chinese government, it is the Chinese government changing capitalists. Rather than the birth of freedom with telecommunications and the Internet serving as the handmaiden of democracy, we have the Internet entrepreneurs selling rope to the hangmen.

    In a world that has been drastically shrunk by fast travel and cheap telecommunications (not to mention intercontinental missiles), it is hard to see how Confucianism and Western individualism can continue to coexist as equals. By proclaiming American values not only more desirable but inherently stronger, Washington has virtually guaranteed that Beijing’s rejoinder will be a sotto voce “We’ll see.”

    Chinese leaders are not looking for war, at least not against the world’s major nuclear powers. That said, they are greatly influenced by the ancient Chinese military theoretician Sun Tzu, one of whose aphorisms seems particularly relevant: “To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”

    The betting is that China will penetrate American society by stealth in a process best called reverse convergence. Building on the extensive if unobtrusive groundwork laid by earlier East Asian industrializers, China can be expected in the fullness of time to become a major factor in shaping outcomes in Washington. The effect of globalism has been to create a political vacuum in Washington, where an alert eye to the American national interest was once present.

    Of particular concern is how well Western intellectual organizations will stand up. The idea that Western media might be vulnerable to pressure from Beijing may seem preposterous, but there is evidence that things are already going the wrong way. When was the last time a major American newspaper took a searching look at the car markets of Japan or South Korea? In truth, any attempt by the American media to focus serious attention on East Asian protectionism would raise the specter of a boycott by key advertisers, probably acting in concert under government leadership. Give them 15 to 20 years and the Beijing authorities will enjoy similar clout in the American advertising market.

    Top American Internet companies have already reneged on Western values in pursuit of lucrative business in their Chinese subsidiaries. How long before they prove similarly malleable in their domestic operations? Writing for the New York Times on a conference in Shanghai in 2005, Tina Rosenberg recounted how top American business leaders fawned on Chinese Communist Party officials. She added: “Let’s not pretend that foreign investment will make China a democracy. That argument was born out of desperation and self-interest. Because China is too lucrative a market to resist, American and European businessmen have ended up endorsing the party line through their silence–or worse. They are not molding China; China is molding them.
     

    , @Chief Seattle
    Agree completely. This is the roadmap followed many times before. "Free Trade" which impoverishes the United States is just one tool they offer the Chinese elite in return for influence and media control. Their disadvantage is that they wont be able to blend with the native population for a few generations, so they will need to work behind Chinese front men and corporations for a time. But really, unless the Chinese decide to isolate themselves again, they don't stand a chance.
    , @Svigor
    This crap really only works on White people, and even then only imperfectly (hence "historical antisemitism").
    , @Prof. Woland
    In a sense that is not so far fetched. My money was on the majority of China converting to Christianity by the end of the century. If that were the case, it would be far easier for certain people to crawl in the back door like they did in the west. There will be Muslims in China but as we all have figured out, they aren't Chinese.
  7. anon[388] • Disclaimer says:

    Looking back at Middle Eastern policy from 2000 to 2016, I can’t help but wonder if we suffered from a massive case of egghead strategy tax, where the entire point was to contain Iran, but we ended up ever so elegantly and strategically emboldening them, while pushing Arab nations into chaos and leaving a few million dead.

    It’s similar to the combined effort of losers Jack Welch and Jeff Immelt, who architected an elegant system of subsidiaries and capital structures, which ever so strategically decreased GE’s market cap by 75%.

    With a grand strategy, it may take a high IQ to understand the overall logic. But any Joe with life experience can see the basic flaws and the lack of contingency plans.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @DFH
    Die Liste der Vernunft in action
  8. Fake News! Obviously Sailer has been co-opted by a Russian trollfarm and is now endeavoring to make eminent political and national security experts look foolish.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  9. Yeah I think you have to save this for later, when there’s a decent chance that this works, at least as parody. That day might come soon enough anyway (on the other hand, it might never come at all).

  10. Hitting China before they are too strong sounds like the German Imperial Staff policy on Russia in the 1910s. Wars against rising powers always pan out well for the declining power, and the world as a whole.

    Anyway the priorities are all wrong, it is Iran and Russia supporting Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians, not China.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Perhaps, deep down inside, there is a patriotic American in Kristol. One that realizes getting revenge on Russia because the Cossacks drove out the ancestors in the 19th century is stupid. And that China is the big potential threat to American security. Whether or not he'd be willing to do what's necessary to smack down China, such as easing up on Free Trade Uber Alles remains to be seen.
    , @DFH

    Hitting China before they are too strong sounds like the German Imperial Staff policy on Russia in the 1910s. Wars against rising powers always pan out well for the declining power, and the world as a whole.

     

    Attacking in 1905 would have worked brilliantly for Germany. I suppose it's a shame (from their perspective) that Boot and Kristol didn't take the opportunity to strike in 1989 or 1996, instead of unambitiously only trying to dominate the mere hundreds of millions of people of the Middle East.
    , @L Woods
    It ‘worked’ for the UK, at least in the short run. And Germany did indeed win on the eastern front.
  11. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... where it will be cheap to hire elephants to carry us along the Burma Road over the Hump to Chungking ...
     
    Wouldn't it be smarter logistically to to have the Military Airlift Command fly these elephants 2 by 2 in C-17's across the hump after we secure a couple of good strips in Kunming? JP-4 is cheap right now, plus the taxpayers are springing for it anyway. Then, they can meet up with Generals Stillwell and Chiang and go from there ...

    "Don't get involved in a land war in Asia" (well, crap we just blew that one) and "it's not worth it to build the Myanmar Road."

    As for Emperor of the new Boot dynasty, I can't think of anyone better than our very own Godfree Roberts - right here on unz.com! Commie to the core, a real man of the people's.

    BTW, it's Chongching now, if you don't mind.

    BTW, it’s Chongching now, if you don’t mind.

    Sorry, you’re still a step behind the times. It’s Chongqing these days.

    You’re right, though, that Bill and Max would surely want to use the up-to-date spellings that all of today’s visionary world-savers favor.

  12. @anon
    Looking back at Middle Eastern policy from 2000 to 2016, I can't help but wonder if we suffered from a massive case of egghead strategy tax, where the entire point was to contain Iran, but we ended up ever so elegantly and strategically emboldening them, while pushing Arab nations into chaos and leaving a few million dead.

    It's similar to the combined effort of losers Jack Welch and Jeff Immelt, who architected an elegant system of subsidiaries and capital structures, which ever so strategically decreased GE's market cap by 75%.

    With a grand strategy, it may take a high IQ to understand the overall logic. But any Joe with life experience can see the basic flaws and the lack of contingency plans.

    Die Liste der Vernunft in action

  13. Jews remain a small minority in China, but unlike Jewish communities in many other parts of the world, Jews have historically lived in China without any instances of antisemitism from the Han majority populace contributing to mutual respect and admiration between the two peoples.

    Not if Bill and Max have their way.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    In other words, Jews assimilated.

    Which might be why they never mention how the Han exterminated the Dzungars; because the Dzungars are chopped liver and Jews don't actually care about genocide, per se.

  14. @Felix....
    It's not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they've done in millennia past. I'm sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China's elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China's social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have "capitulated" to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the "narrative" by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol's folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn't failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I'd give Kristol's people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    Nah, They’ll complain about the SPR (Strategic Pork Reserve) and the Chinese will make Hadrian look like the prissy little bi-otcth he was.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    the Chinese will make Hadrian look like the prissy little bi-otcth he was.
     
    What will the new Chinese name for Aelia Capitolina be?
  15. @LondonBob
    Hitting China before they are too strong sounds like the German Imperial Staff policy on Russia in the 1910s. Wars against rising powers always pan out well for the declining power, and the world as a whole.

    Anyway the priorities are all wrong, it is Iran and Russia supporting Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians, not China.

    Perhaps, deep down inside, there is a patriotic American in Kristol. One that realizes getting revenge on Russia because the Cossacks drove out the ancestors in the 19th century is stupid. And that China is the big potential threat to American security. Whether or not he’d be willing to do what’s necessary to smack down China, such as easing up on Free Trade Uber Alles remains to be seen.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Perhaps, deep down inside, ...
     
    Wasn't there supposed to be a big NAHHHH! after that?
  16. @LondonBob
    Hitting China before they are too strong sounds like the German Imperial Staff policy on Russia in the 1910s. Wars against rising powers always pan out well for the declining power, and the world as a whole.

    Anyway the priorities are all wrong, it is Iran and Russia supporting Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians, not China.

    Hitting China before they are too strong sounds like the German Imperial Staff policy on Russia in the 1910s. Wars against rising powers always pan out well for the declining power, and the world as a whole.

    Attacking in 1905 would have worked brilliantly for Germany. I suppose it’s a shame (from their perspective) that Boot and Kristol didn’t take the opportunity to strike in 1989 or 1996, instead of unambitiously only trying to dominate the mere hundreds of millions of people of the Middle East.

    • Replies: @El Dato

    Attacking in 1905 would have worked brilliantly for Germany.
     
    Why wouldn't it have ended in another Napoleonic defeat?

    Do you think that Color-Revolutionizing the Revolution of 1905 would have been successful? It sounds very dubious.
  17. Give bill some credit. This seems to be the first time he advocated regime change NOT for israel. Its basically for no reason at all

    • Replies: @Anon

    Give bill some credit. This seems to be the first time he advocated regime change NOT for israel. Its basically for no reason at all
     
    A more conspiracy minded person might look for ways that this just fits the same pattern. Crazy conspiracy people might think that the parenthetical elites see the writing on the wall for the west.

    They need to be a part of the up and coming Asian powerhouse. And for that to happen they need a Chinese regime that isn't so focused on governing and preserving China for the Chinese.

    But maybe, this time, Bill is just promoting war for no good reason at all.

    , @Lawyer Guy
    At the 06 Wye conference, American Jewish thought, religious, and business leaders decided to transition to dominating China. It isn't working for them yet, thus the pressure.

    This should not be confused with the Wye River conference in the 90s between Israel and Palestine.
  18. These Andaman chaps would be a splendid test for our new girly army ,maybe they could bring some home as pets

  19. Military pressure on China will divert their resources from their long term plan to supplant America as the world’s most powerful country. Trade war by itself probably will not work to stop China.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I don't know who this Kyle Bass is, but, as much as it would be nice* to default on that $1,100,000,000,000, it doesn't work like that. These bonds are fungible - they can be bought and sold and used as currency like $100 bills. Could we just say that all hundred dollar bills with serial numbers starting with "D" and ending with 00 through 99 are now null and void? It seems like the same thing.

    It's not just the intellectual property. IMO, it'd be pretty fair to say "Hey, listen, you guys would be speaking Japanese if Americans hadn't been fighting in the Pacific, and IN China. Let's just call it even, OK? Now, now, why the long faces and crocodile tears? Listen, about the money, you fucked up, you trusted us!"

    Anything to keep people from ever lending money to the American government again can't be a bad thing.
    , @Bill Jones
    The problem is that the US military contractors, in their never ending greed and with the full knowledge of the Pentagram have made China the sole source for several hundred apparently indispensable items. This was news to Trump and a big reason for his trade war is to force the resourcing from within the US.
  20. The plan is already underway. Why do you guys think Fred Reed was really in China?

    Next step in the plan:

    An article by David French in NRO will be the next crucial step in winning hearts and minds: The Conservative Case for the Invasion of China.

    You skeptics don’t even know how easy it will be to do either. Just load a single division of the Army’s women, trannies, and homosexuals, commanded by Keith Ellison’s son, into Yang Ming shipping containers, send them over, ?????, and boom!, decisive victory.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.

    Just load a single division of the Army’s women, trannies, and homosexuals, commanded by Keith Ellison’s son, into Yang Ming shipping containers, send them over, ?????, and boom!, decisive victory.
     
    This gives me hope that one day soon America will have to give up its policy of being a colossal nuisance around the globe. Perhaps there is a method to the madness after all. No, I really don't believe this but it's a pleasant fantasy.
  21. The appearance of the LGBTQ Fast Response SF Rainbow Brigade will bring down the whole tottering CCP regime.

  22. Doesn’t China manage some really spectacular “regime changes” on a pretty regular basis all by itself?

    In addition, my analysis of “china” is, that while there may be a civilization there, it is doubtful that there is a country there in the conventional sense. China is ever and always an empire held together by force, and force alone, and VIRULENTLY hated by every one of its neighbors.

    Mexicans, Canadians, Central Americans and so forth may not like us at all, but they don’t want every one of us dead…yet.

    Vietnam, Japan, Tibet, Uighur Muslims, Burma, India, Malaysia, etc etc have whole swaths populations that want everybody in China dead, so good luck with that future.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I don't know about that last part, The Man. Vietnam, Bangladesh, Malaysia (not sure about Burma) now make stuff for the Chinese companies now that Chinese labor is not so cheap anymore. That hate may go away with the influx of money. Japan and China have old animosities and the Uighur's and Tibetans indeed have legitimate beefs with the Chinamen.
  23. @LondonBob
    Hitting China before they are too strong sounds like the German Imperial Staff policy on Russia in the 1910s. Wars against rising powers always pan out well for the declining power, and the world as a whole.

    Anyway the priorities are all wrong, it is Iran and Russia supporting Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians, not China.

    It ‘worked’ for the UK, at least in the short run. And Germany did indeed win on the eastern front.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Britain decided to work with the US rather than slap them down, I suppose ethnic ties played a role as much as good sense.

    That said intervening on behalf of the Confederacy would have been an easy way to negate the rise of the US. Mostly would have been a RN intervention to end the blockade with Johnny Reb mostly holding his own on land.
  24. Years ago I spent a couple hours in Kristol’s house, having accompanied a former employer of his on a visit. It’s hard to overstate how physically …. well, let’s say non-warlike…. he is in person. The kind of guy who, in his school days, would have been immediately sized up for how well he fit into a hall locker by those more physically suited to bellicosity.

    And now he is bedeviled by satire even before his splendid career as keyboard commando has reached full fruition with the triumphant entry of “real men” into Tehran. Life is cruel.

  25. @DFH

    Hitting China before they are too strong sounds like the German Imperial Staff policy on Russia in the 1910s. Wars against rising powers always pan out well for the declining power, and the world as a whole.

     

    Attacking in 1905 would have worked brilliantly for Germany. I suppose it's a shame (from their perspective) that Boot and Kristol didn't take the opportunity to strike in 1989 or 1996, instead of unambitiously only trying to dominate the mere hundreds of millions of people of the Middle East.

    Attacking in 1905 would have worked brilliantly for Germany.

    Why wouldn’t it have ended in another Napoleonic defeat?

    Do you think that Color-Revolutionizing the Revolution of 1905 would have been successful? It sounds very dubious.

  26. Off topic (…well, not reallly. But for those who haven’t seen it):

    This story and twitter thread have to be read to be believed. With a people this stupid and/or duplicitous, America has no hope.

    • Replies: @donut
    It reminds me of trying to get a demented pt. back to his room .
  27. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix....
    It's not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they've done in millennia past. I'm sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China's elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China's social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have "capitulated" to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the "narrative" by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol's folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn't failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I'd give Kristol's people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    There is already a Holocaust memorial in Shanghei commemorating the Jews who…

    “lived in Shanghai during World War II after fleeing Europe to escape the Holocaust. It is located at the former Ohel Moshe or Moishe Synagogue, in the Tilanqiao Historic Area of Hongkou district, Shanghai, China. The museum features documents, photographs, films, and personal items documenting the lives of some of the more than 20,000 Jewish residents of the Restricted Sector for Stateless Refugees, better known as the Shanghai Ghetto, during the Japanese occupation of Shanghai.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Jewish_Refugees_Museum

    Who was the Jewish woman, the daughter of the Manhattan financier, who was instrumental in and helped finance the Chinese Communist Revolution?

  28. We used to have Armistice Day, now we have Veterans Day. Perhaps in the future it can change again to Empire Day: when we try to remember the names of all those who so gallantly gave their lives to keep China [American].

  29. OT: Bannon sounding like Sailer at the Oxford Union.

    18:30 Threat of migration from Sub Saharan African north.
    12:20 “Family formation… number one problem is economic anxiety.”
    9:45-10:45 Citizenism (more or less)
    19:20 Focus on what’s happening south of the border, not on the other side the world: “We don’t need to go to central Asia to see failed states, we’ve got them on our borders.”

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Bannon sounding like Sailer at the Oxford Union
     
    Except that Bannon talks as if China is a major threat to the US. And he is a lot more bully on minority opportunities, although I'm guessing his rhetoric about black and Hispanic tech workers is just that.
  30. @Buzz Mohawk
    They're both so far off they're not even wrong.

    First we take North Sentinel Island and enlist the natives. Easy as pie.

    Then we transport them for an amphibious attack on Russia by way of the Baltic Sea. From there they take Moscow and eliminate the Romanovs. Piece of Cake.

    Aren't we at war with Russia?

    Yes, I can see 2035, as the US military attempts its third surge to pacify the North Sentinelese insurgents.

  31. With the current leadership I would predict our armed forces would be bogged down in an endless war costing a trillion USD in it’s pathetic attempts to pacify North Sentinel Island .

  32. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... where it will be cheap to hire elephants to carry us along the Burma Road over the Hump to Chungking ...
     
    Wouldn't it be smarter logistically to to have the Military Airlift Command fly these elephants 2 by 2 in C-17's across the hump after we secure a couple of good strips in Kunming? JP-4 is cheap right now, plus the taxpayers are springing for it anyway. Then, they can meet up with Generals Stillwell and Chiang and go from there ...

    "Don't get involved in a land war in Asia" (well, crap we just blew that one) and "it's not worth it to build the Myanmar Road."

    As for Emperor of the new Boot dynasty, I can't think of anyone better than our very own Godfree Roberts - right here on unz.com! Commie to the core, a real man of the people's.

    BTW, it's Chongching now, if you don't mind.

    ‘BTW, it’s Chongching now, if you don’t mind.”

    Most people in Chongching are men — of China, obviously — so can we call them Chongching Chinamen for short?

  33. OT – the Guardian’s Nesrine Malik (such a pretty name!) says No Surrender on Invite The World.

    Hillary Clinton’s chilling pragmatism gives the far right a free pass.

    Calling on Europe’s leaders to ‘get a handle on migration’ is no counter to populists – it’s more like an endorsement

  34. @Felix....
    It's not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they've done in millennia past. I'm sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China's elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China's social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have "capitulated" to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the "narrative" by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol's folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn't failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I'd give Kristol's people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    That plan works until it doesn’t.

    Hey, hey, hey – sorry Bill, this is Chinatown.

  35. Kristol and Boot Debate Strategy

    Compromise, guys!

  36. @Felix....
    It's not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they've done in millennia past. I'm sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China's elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China's social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have "capitulated" to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the "narrative" by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol's folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn't failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I'd give Kristol's people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    So you’re saying Facebook is the opiate of the masses?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Sadly, in the absence of religion, opiates have become the opium of the masses.
  37. @Felix....
    It's not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they've done in millennia past. I'm sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China's elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China's social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have "capitulated" to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the "narrative" by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol's folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn't failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I'd give Kristol's people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    At that point Kristol’s folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself

    All of these will be as nonexistent as Lex Luthor’s Hidden Fortress.

    No wait, the only thing even today is “the power of the United States government itself” which is based on Carrier Battle Groups, which are not riding into the sunset but holding a steady course into it.

  38. Since these neocons are not total dummies like SJW’s, in their heart they got to be thinking that we got to tone down this war on deplorables as they are the ultimate foot soldiers for their armies?

  39. @Felix....
    It's not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they've done in millennia past. I'm sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China's elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China's social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have "capitulated" to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the "narrative" by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol's folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn't failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I'd give Kristol's people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    “they will be able to shape the “narrative” by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control”

    That’s a very optimistic (from a US perspective) take. I think the Chinese public consciousness is not at all like the American one, and that perhaps the only way to subtly massage it could be with the aid of overseas Chinese. Who are they more likely to be loyal to?

    Eamon Fingleton

    The evidence is in: the Confucian values by which China is ruled are not only incompatible with those of the West, they prove strikingly more robust. Far from China changing, Westerners who do business in China are modifying their behavior–often quite troublingly–under Beijing’s influence. Picture a phalanx of chocolate soldiers marching into a blowtorch.

    The most common way Westerners compromise is simply by doing business “the Chinese way.” Writing from Shanghai in 2005, Peter S. Goodman of the Washington Post commented, “American business leaders often describe their China operations idealistically, suggesting that their presence here will compel Chinese competitors to adopt more ethical business practices. But in one key regard, the dynamic operates in reverse, with U.S. companies adopting Chinese-style tactics to secure sales, as they compete in a market in which Communist Party officials routinely control businesses, and purchasing agents consider kickbacks part of their salary.

    In the words of Carolyn Bartholomew, chairman of the United States-China Economic and Security Review Commission, many American companies have “Faustian bargains” with Beijing. She cites Yahoo!, Google, and Microsoft, which have agreed to abide by China’s censorship rules in serving Chinese Internet users. Yahoo! voluntarily handed over evidence that led to one Chinese Internet user being sentenced to ten years in prison. Bartholomew commented, “Far from capitalism changing the Chinese government, it is the Chinese government changing capitalists. Rather than the birth of freedom with telecommunications and the Internet serving as the handmaiden of democracy, we have the Internet entrepreneurs selling rope to the hangmen.

    In a world that has been drastically shrunk by fast travel and cheap telecommunications (not to mention intercontinental missiles), it is hard to see how Confucianism and Western individualism can continue to coexist as equals. By proclaiming American values not only more desirable but inherently stronger, Washington has virtually guaranteed that Beijing’s rejoinder will be a sotto voce “We’ll see.”

    Chinese leaders are not looking for war, at least not against the world’s major nuclear powers. That said, they are greatly influenced by the ancient Chinese military theoretician Sun Tzu, one of whose aphorisms seems particularly relevant: “To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”

    The betting is that China will penetrate American society by stealth in a process best called reverse convergence. Building on the extensive if unobtrusive groundwork laid by earlier East Asian industrializers, China can be expected in the fullness of time to become a major factor in shaping outcomes in Washington. The effect of globalism has been to create a political vacuum in Washington, where an alert eye to the American national interest was once present.

    Of particular concern is how well Western intellectual organizations will stand up. The idea that Western media might be vulnerable to pressure from Beijing may seem preposterous, but there is evidence that things are already going the wrong way. When was the last time a major American newspaper took a searching look at the car markets of Japan or South Korea? In truth, any attempt by the American media to focus serious attention on East Asian protectionism would raise the specter of a boycott by key advertisers, probably acting in concert under government leadership. Give them 15 to 20 years and the Beijing authorities will enjoy similar clout in the American advertising market.

    Top American Internet companies have already reneged on Western values in pursuit of lucrative business in their Chinese subsidiaries. How long before they prove similarly malleable in their domestic operations? Writing for the New York Times on a conference in Shanghai in 2005, Tina Rosenberg recounted how top American business leaders fawned on Chinese Communist Party officials. She added: “Let’s not pretend that foreign investment will make China a democracy. That argument was born out of desperation and self-interest. Because China is too lucrative a market to resist, American and European businessmen have ended up endorsing the party line through their silence–or worse. They are not molding China; China is molding them.

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I don't think what you argue here is incompatible with what Felix says. Jews are highly intelligent and adaptive people. It's not like they have no experience successfully adapting to absolutist regimes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_Jew

    The rise of the absolute monarchies in Central Europe brought many Jews, mostly of Ashkenazi origin, into the position of negotiating loans for the various courts. They could amass personal fortunes and gain political and social influence.
     
  40. I for one would welcome a spirited attack upon China, preferably holding hands with the former Soviet Union, England, and France, like back in the day.

    It would eliminate SO many problems going into the future. The Chinese are going to be a ripe pain in the ass of this century if we don’t bring them to heel.

    Once they’re conquered, the world will most likely be another 200 million people lighter, industries will have been bombed out of existence, India would be ready for Empire, and if we put an embargo on AIDs drugs, Africa is a problem that could take care of itself.

    As a side benefit, we could draft women and throw them right up to the front lines to let them have a chance to prove what they can do. African americans too! Draft every of age little puke who drops from between the knees of every black welfarian in the south of Chicago. Get their fat ho’s either on the front lines, or the assembly lines.

    We haven’t had a great war since 1945. Young men have lost their sense of purpose. Old men are bored out of their skulls. Women cry themselves to sleep at night over the loss of american manhood, and otherwise have no idea of what to do with themselves. That’s why the selfy’s in so many of your female Facebook friends splash photos looks like they’ve been crying, but are slapping on a brave smile for effect.

    Look in their eyes. Look at them! Lost, sad, and a little frightened, all of them..

    We need war, fellows. We need war, I tell you.

    Repeat it to yourselves in your bathroom mirror, every single solitary morning:

    “We need war… we need war…”

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Switzerland has done pretty well without a war since, well, a long, long time ago. However, I am inclined to agree with the late Revilo P. Oliver that the last war America really won was the Mexican War.
  41. @Reg Cæsar
    So you're saying Facebook is the opiate of the masses?

    Sadly, in the absence of religion, opiates have become the opium of the masses.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  42. @Felix....
    It's not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they've done in millennia past. I'm sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China's elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China's social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have "capitulated" to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the "narrative" by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol's folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn't failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I'd give Kristol's people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    Agree completely. This is the roadmap followed many times before. “Free Trade” which impoverishes the United States is just one tool they offer the Chinese elite in return for influence and media control. Their disadvantage is that they wont be able to blend with the native population for a few generations, so they will need to work behind Chinese front men and corporations for a time. But really, unless the Chinese decide to isolate themselves again, they don’t stand a chance.

  43. so the drunk Mel Gibson was right?

  44. OT: Black Friday has now gone global (why, I don’t know):

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6420779/Scuffles-break-armed-guards-called-amid-Black-Friday-chaos-South-Africa.html

    America! A shining Big Box Store in a Mall.

  45. You kid, but I think we should debate whether we want Jews “debating” Jews on important national issues as a means of shaping public opinion to be a thing.

    I turn on NPR and hear a Jew “moderating” a “discussion” with several other Jews waaaay too often.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    I'd definitely like to have lived several decades ago, when giving voice to such concerns was appropriate, apposite, and allowed.
  46. Kristol looks like a lizard-man. If I saw him sunning himself on some rocks and then his tongue flicked out to catch a bug while no other part of him moved, I wouldn’t look even a little bit surprised.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    Yeah, Bill Kristol does look like a lizard, doesn't he? There is something about the way the skin is pulled back around his eyes and temples.
  47. @Bill B.

    Jews remain a small minority in China, but unlike Jewish communities in many other parts of the world, Jews have historically lived in China without any instances of antisemitism from the Han majority populace contributing to mutual respect and admiration between the two peoples.
     
    Not if Bill and Max have their way.

    In other words, Jews assimilated.

    Which might be why they never mention how the Han exterminated the Dzungars; because the Dzungars are chopped liver and Jews don’t actually care about genocide, per se.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    Jews just can't pull any tricks in China, because they're physically identifiable, and they know that the Han would never tolerate it.
  48. @Felix....
    It's not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they've done in millennia past. I'm sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China's elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China's social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have "capitulated" to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the "narrative" by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol's folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn't failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I'd give Kristol's people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    This crap really only works on White people, and even then only imperfectly (hence “historical antisemitism”).

  49. OT,

    Nicolas Roeg, RIP.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Nicolas Roeg, RIP.

    Worked on "Lawrence of Arabia" but got booted, so was uncredited. I would like to hear that story from him, but too late. To get fired by David Lean? A resume enhancer for sure.

  50. Axl Rose already perfected the idealism of Chinese Democracy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPXqlFkaaII&frags=pl%2Cwn

    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    You beat me to it, Kenobi.
  51. @Redneck farmer
    Nah, They'll complain about the SPR (Strategic Pork Reserve) and the Chinese will make Hadrian look like the prissy little bi-otcth he was.

    the Chinese will make Hadrian look like the prissy little bi-otcth he was.

    What will the new Chinese name for Aelia Capitolina be?

  52. @Buzz Mohawk
    They're both so far off they're not even wrong.

    First we take North Sentinel Island and enlist the natives. Easy as pie.

    Then we transport them for an amphibious attack on Russia by way of the Baltic Sea. From there they take Moscow and eliminate the Romanovs. Piece of Cake.

    Aren't we at war with Russia?

    First we take North Sentinel Island and enlist the natives. Easy as pie.

    Wouldn’t Kristol and Boot want to chastise the natives severely for their retrograde attitude toward immigration? I can just hear Jonah Goldberg joining the chorus with his constant complaint about “Tribalism! Tribalism!”

  53. Boot: North Sentinel Island is the key to getting India. Once we get India we will have a base from which to hit China. Also, I have it upon good authority that Jeet Heer has assured us India will provide our replacements.

  54. @Felix....
    It's not going to be a war. I would imagine the tribal strategy will be to slowly subvert elements of the Chinese power structure just as they've done in millennia past. I'm sure elements of this approach are already well underway, in the form of relationship building with children of China's elite in the Ivy League, juicy sinecures at international banks, etc. The next step will be the infiltration of China's social fabric by Google and Facebook, which is already beginning. These two companies have "capitulated" to the CCPs demands for censored services, but if they get a good foothold and amass hundreds of millions of users their power will grow and they will be able to shape the "narrative" by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control.

    Eventually, there will be unrest within the CCP and rival power factions will emerge, as periodically happens in even the most stable regimes. At that point Kristol's folks will offer to leverage their financial resources, their control of the global media and internet companies, and the power of the United States government itself to help one of those factions consolidate power. In exchange, they will demand a seat at the table and that seat will eventually extend to encompass the whole table. This is a tried and true playbook that hasn't failed them yet. The chances of a shooting war to affect a neocon takeover of China is extremely remote, but I'd give Kristol's people better than 1 in 10 odds of ruling China by other means before the first half of this century is out.

    In a sense that is not so far fetched. My money was on the majority of China converting to Christianity by the end of the century. If that were the case, it would be far easier for certain people to crawl in the back door like they did in the west. There will be Muslims in China but as we all have figured out, they aren’t Chinese.

  55. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Word of Life Church in Houston is discovered to have 100 gambling machines in a secret room in its basement.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-gambling-room-discovered-inside-houston-church

    Since this sounds rather odd for a mainstream Protestant church, I looked it up. Yes, it’s a black church.

    http://www.wordforlifec.org/

    Gives another meaning to the word ‘Holy Roller.’

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is only somewhat more ambitious than most black churches, in which all sorts of behaviors besides bible reading and services go on regularly. I had a co-worker who serviced most of the Hammond organs in the black churches in a Midwest city and within a couple of years this had converted him from a liberal into a hardened race realist.

    Not that white churches are as pure as the driven snow. But the order of magnitude is completely different.
    , @Anon
    Gives another meaning to the word ‘Holy Roller.’

    Let the good times roll.

    With homos now being LGBT, maybe blacks should be LGTR.

  56. Personally, I’m a fan of America, but I’m still looking forward to when China is more powerful and more developed (in about 20 years), and can become some degree of check on American craziness and arrogance.

    As China becomes more developed, they will become a lot more attractive also – just look at the positive effect on the world of Japan or Korea, or effect of economic development on the younger generation in Russia.

  57. China is eminently conquerable, but I think it’s gunna require some allies to beat them. I think we can take them if we can get Israel to commit 800,000 men or so (plus all those hot IDF women the Neos are always posting pictures of) to be our frontline shock troops. Once the IDF opens a hole in the Chinese defenses we can activate the selective service, starting with Brooklyn, the Upper East Side, Palo Alto, and every county that gave a 30+% margin to Hillary.

    • Replies: @Thomas

    I think we can take them if we can get Israel to commit 800,000 men or so (plus all those hot IDF women the Neos are always posting pictures of) to be our frontline shock troops.
     
    Between a US military stripped of "macho male culture" and struggling to find recruits who aren't physically, mentally, or morally unfit and an IDF that's never actually fought a war against a non-Arab country, we better hope the North Sentinelese are a "martial race" in the sense of the Gurkhas.
  58. @Wilkey
    China is eminently conquerable, but I think it's gunna require some allies to beat them. I think we can take them if we can get Israel to commit 800,000 men or so (plus all those hot IDF women the Neos are always posting pictures of) to be our frontline shock troops. Once the IDF opens a hole in the Chinese defenses we can activate the selective service, starting with Brooklyn, the Upper East Side, Palo Alto, and every county that gave a 30+% margin to Hillary.

    I think we can take them if we can get Israel to commit 800,000 men or so (plus all those hot IDF women the Neos are always posting pictures of) to be our frontline shock troops.

    Between a US military stripped of “macho male culture” and struggling to find recruits who aren’t physically, mentally, or morally unfit and an IDF that’s never actually fought a war against a non-Arab country, we better hope the North Sentinelese are a “martial race” in the sense of the Gurkhas.

  59. @Buzz Mohawk
    They're both so far off they're not even wrong.

    First we take North Sentinel Island and enlist the natives. Easy as pie.

    Then we transport them for an amphibious attack on Russia by way of the Baltic Sea. From there they take Moscow and eliminate the Romanovs. Piece of Cake.

    Aren't we at war with Russia?

    But where does Kaiser Wilhelm fit into this picture?

    • Replies: @D day
    "But where does Kaiser Wilhelm fit into this picture?"

    The guy who fooled people into believing European multiculturalism could work?

    He shall remain dead in any fancy forward-thinking scenario. Where he belongs.
  60. How come the US Gov’t will sell weapons to everyone but US citizens ?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    The US government will sell you a Combat Rifle to practice with.

    http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/
  61. @pyrrhus
    But where does Kaiser Wilhelm fit into this picture?

    “But where does Kaiser Wilhelm fit into this picture?”

    The guy who fooled people into believing European multiculturalism could work?

    He shall remain dead in any fancy forward-thinking scenario. Where he belongs.

  62. 5 years later, Boot blames the occupation of China solely on the Republican Party. Even those who were against it.

    By then, he has moved on to regime change in Malaysia.

  63. @BenKenobi
    Axl Rose already perfected the idealism of Chinese Democracy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPXqlFkaaII&frags=pl%2Cwn

    You beat me to it, Kenobi.

  64. @Redneck farmer
    Perhaps, deep down inside, there is a patriotic American in Kristol. One that realizes getting revenge on Russia because the Cossacks drove out the ancestors in the 19th century is stupid. And that China is the big potential threat to American security. Whether or not he'd be willing to do what's necessary to smack down China, such as easing up on Free Trade Uber Alles remains to be seen.

    Perhaps, deep down inside, …

    Wasn’t there supposed to be a big NAHHHH! after that?

  65. @Sean
    Military pressure on China will divert their resources from their long term plan to supplant America as the world's most powerful country. Trade war by itself probably will not work to stop China.

    https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/1065582226576941056


    https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/1065592299743252480

    I don’t know who this Kyle Bass is, but, as much as it would be nice* to default on that $1,100,000,000,000, it doesn’t work like that. These bonds are fungible – they can be bought and sold and used as currency like $100 bills. Could we just say that all hundred dollar bills with serial numbers starting with “D” and ending with 00 through 99 are now null and void? It seems like the same thing.

    It’s not just the intellectual property. IMO, it’d be pretty fair to say “Hey, listen, you guys would be speaking Japanese if Americans hadn’t been fighting in the Pacific, and IN China. Let’s just call it even, OK? Now, now, why the long faces and crocodile tears? Listen, about the money, you fucked up, you trusted us!”

    Anything to keep people from ever lending money to the American government again can’t be a bad thing.

    • Replies: @Sean

    Could we just say that all hundred dollar bills with serial numbers starting with “D” and ending with 00 through 99 are now null and void?
     
    Gold Certificate dollar bills?

    Anyway, clearly a country can do that to foreigners, just as the government can draft people into the army and send them off to die. A country can do anything.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/07/donald-trumps-glorious-threat-to-default-on-the-national-debt-is-just-the-conventional-wisdom/#7e15ba81a367

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.
  66. @theMann
    Doesn't China manage some really spectacular "regime changes" on a pretty regular basis all by itself?

    In addition, my analysis of "china" is, that while there may be a civilization there, it is doubtful that there is a country there in the conventional sense. China is ever and always an empire held together by force, and force alone, and VIRULENTLY hated by every one of its neighbors.

    Mexicans, Canadians, Central Americans and so forth may not like us at all, but they don't want every one of us dead...yet.


    Vietnam, Japan, Tibet, Uighur Muslims, Burma, India, Malaysia, etc etc have whole swaths populations that want everybody in China dead, so good luck with that future.

    I don’t know about that last part, The Man. Vietnam, Bangladesh, Malaysia (not sure about Burma) now make stuff for the Chinese companies now that Chinese labor is not so cheap anymore. That hate may go away with the influx of money. Japan and China have old animosities and the Uighur’s and Tibetans indeed have legitimate beefs with the Chinamen.

  67. it’s sad that steve still believes pro wrestling is real.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Pro wrestling is real on a meta level. Our president applies this principle to politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I
  68. @R Rover
    I for one would welcome a spirited attack upon China, preferably holding hands with the former Soviet Union, England, and France, like back in the day.

    It would eliminate SO many problems going into the future. The Chinese are going to be a ripe pain in the ass of this century if we don't bring them to heel.

    Once they're conquered, the world will most likely be another 200 million people lighter, industries will have been bombed out of existence, India would be ready for Empire, and if we put an embargo on AIDs drugs, Africa is a problem that could take care of itself.

    As a side benefit, we could draft women and throw them right up to the front lines to let them have a chance to prove what they can do. African americans too! Draft every of age little puke who drops from between the knees of every black welfarian in the south of Chicago. Get their fat ho's either on the front lines, or the assembly lines.

    We haven't had a great war since 1945. Young men have lost their sense of purpose. Old men are bored out of their skulls. Women cry themselves to sleep at night over the loss of american manhood, and otherwise have no idea of what to do with themselves. That's why the selfy's in so many of your female Facebook friends splash photos looks like they've been crying, but are slapping on a brave smile for effect.

    Look in their eyes. Look at them! Lost, sad, and a little frightened, all of them..

    We need war, fellows. We need war, I tell you.

    Repeat it to yourselves in your bathroom mirror, every single solitary morning:

    "We need war... we need war..."

    Switzerland has done pretty well without a war since, well, a long, long time ago. However, I am inclined to agree with the late Revilo P. Oliver that the last war America really won was the Mexican War.

    • Replies: @R Rover

    Switzerland has done pretty well without a war since, well, a long, long time ago.
     
    Stop with the old-timey Switzerland heckle!

    They did okay, but we can't all be international parasites. Some major power has to be the fricking host, or Switzerland, like Israel, would be amongst the first countries to get their asses turned inside out the moment a neighbor decide they needed more "living space," and you know it.

    Finland fucking laughs at them!

    What good are the Swiss to the world now, anyway? They barely handle international finances, and they can legally eat their own cats. They actually filed a referendum to allow their citizens to eat their own cats. That’s world fuckin leadership? A great power we’re talking about here, thanks to no war?

    They’re too stupid to make a proper cuckoo clock, and all their cheese is full of holes. They’re the somewhat smart, but lazy brother who resides in the world's basement. They’re allowed to stay because they know Quicken.

    They eat their own cats. Sit the fuck down, sir!

    , @Corn
    Hate to break it to ol’ Revilo but the Mexicans are trying to reverse our victory there. And the Democrats are helping them.
  69. @Sean
    Military pressure on China will divert their resources from their long term plan to supplant America as the world's most powerful country. Trade war by itself probably will not work to stop China.

    https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/1065582226576941056


    https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/1065592299743252480

    The problem is that the US military contractors, in their never ending greed and with the full knowledge of the Pentagram have made China the sole source for several hundred apparently indispensable items. This was news to Trump and a big reason for his trade war is to force the resourcing from within the US.

    • Replies: @Sean
    The immediate military technology problem (and all technology and productive capacity in ultimately military) is not critical, yet. China was coddled since the Cold War as a balance to the Soviet Union and the policy been coddled America, because people in America were making money through helping it along.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axZVLQJR-Dg

    The party of Davos was left to quietly manage decline in America productive capacity, and immigration of workers to keep wages down in what could not be outsourced. And the wars and over-leveraging were not helping. Trade war, military pressure and sanctions against totalitarian mercantilist China are now necessary to stop it becoming the most powerful country in the world.

  70. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    OT: Word of Life Church in Houston is discovered to have 100 gambling machines in a secret room in its basement.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-gambling-room-discovered-inside-houston-church


    Since this sounds rather odd for a mainstream Protestant church, I looked it up. Yes, it's a black church.

    http://www.wordforlifec.org/

    Gives another meaning to the word 'Holy Roller.'

    This is only somewhat more ambitious than most black churches, in which all sorts of behaviors besides bible reading and services go on regularly. I had a co-worker who serviced most of the Hammond organs in the black churches in a Midwest city and within a couple of years this had converted him from a liberal into a hardened race realist.

    Not that white churches are as pure as the driven snow. But the order of magnitude is completely different.

    • Replies: @North Carolina Resident
    Give us some juicy stories. What did your co-worker tell you?
  71. If Pope Francis wasn’t such a wuss we would have Jesuits on the ground in China now stirring the pot.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  72. “Furthemore, intelligence reveals the North Sentinelese are signed on to no arms agreements and are likely experimenting with WMD. They may have them as we speak.”
    “No!”
    “Yes. And they still don’t recognize Israel and have never issued a statement on the Holocaust, much less broken ground for a museum…”
    “In the current year?”
    “Yeah. They hold to an extremist ideology and committed an act of terrorism on a migrant just last week.”
    “It’s a global trend, this resurgent nationalism!”

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  73. @Bill Jones
    The problem is that the US military contractors, in their never ending greed and with the full knowledge of the Pentagram have made China the sole source for several hundred apparently indispensable items. This was news to Trump and a big reason for his trade war is to force the resourcing from within the US.

    The immediate military technology problem (and all technology and productive capacity in ultimately military) is not critical, yet. China was coddled since the Cold War as a balance to the Soviet Union and the policy been coddled America, because people in America were making money through helping it along.

    The party of Davos was left to quietly manage decline in America productive capacity, and immigration of workers to keep wages down in what could not be outsourced. And the wars and over-leveraging were not helping. Trade war, military pressure and sanctions against totalitarian mercantilist China are now necessary to stop it becoming the most powerful country in the world.

  74. They have absolutely nothing, so, so, so nothing; Whites have woken up…Kristol should avoid cameras.

  75. @Achmed E. Newman
    I don't know who this Kyle Bass is, but, as much as it would be nice* to default on that $1,100,000,000,000, it doesn't work like that. These bonds are fungible - they can be bought and sold and used as currency like $100 bills. Could we just say that all hundred dollar bills with serial numbers starting with "D" and ending with 00 through 99 are now null and void? It seems like the same thing.

    It's not just the intellectual property. IMO, it'd be pretty fair to say "Hey, listen, you guys would be speaking Japanese if Americans hadn't been fighting in the Pacific, and IN China. Let's just call it even, OK? Now, now, why the long faces and crocodile tears? Listen, about the money, you fucked up, you trusted us!"

    Anything to keep people from ever lending money to the American government again can't be a bad thing.

    Could we just say that all hundred dollar bills with serial numbers starting with “D” and ending with 00 through 99 are now null and void?

    Gold Certificate dollar bills?

    Anyway, clearly a country can do that to foreigners, just as the government can draft people into the army and send them off to die. A country can do anything.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/07/donald-trumps-glorious-threat-to-default-on-the-national-debt-is-just-the-conventional-wisdom/#7e15ba81a367

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.
     
    And a country that does not want to repay its debts always finds ways to say it cannot.

    It's a slippery slope. Look to Argentina and Greece, for example, to see peoples who simply don't want to deal with the repercussions of decisions they have made in the past. Oh yeah, they blame their leaders, and also the leaders of other countries.

    In fact, that is the most common thread, from the micro scale of the individual and family up to the largest scale of nations. It's always someone else's fault.

    , @Achmed E. Newman

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.
     
    Oh, no doubt in my mind, Sean, and we are Exhibit A. However, my point here is that you cannot single out certain debts to default on, when they are held in pieces of paper (and in computer files) that can be transferred at will, to pay other debts, create other debts, etc.

    Were the US Treasury to state that certain bonds are null and void, then the US dollar would be pretty much worthless at that point. It's gonna be, one way or the other, but that's not the easy way out for governments. Inflation IS.
    , @Anonymous
    Bonds are essentially identical to dollar bills. They're highly liquid dollar bills that trade at a premium to ordinary dollars because they earn interest.

    Since bonds are virtually identical to dollars and are highly liquid, fungible assets, you wouldn't be able to simply cancel some of the bonds without devaluing the dollar. It would be like announcing that some proportion of the dollars out there in the world are actually worth zero. Dollars being fungible, you wouldn't know which dollars are worthless, and the average value of a dollar would decline as a result.

    To cancel the bonds held by a specific party, like China, you'd have to sanction China like the US recently did to Iran by cutting Iran's central bank and its commercial banks off from the global SWIFT financial network, as well as getting other countries to go along with the sanctions and threatening them with sanctions if they don't cooperate. This would inhibit China's ability to trade its US bonds.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/swift-matters-iran-spat-181105172906627.html

    What is SWIFT?

    A Belgian-based messaging platform that facilitates cross-border payments.

    The member-owned cooperative connects more than 11,000 banks, financial institutions and corporations in more than 200 countries and territories around the world.

    What is it not?

    It's not a bank, it doesn't hold money or manage it. It neither initiate transfers nor clears or settles payments.

    Why is SWIFT important?

    Think of SWIFT as the central nervous system of international financial transactions. The messaging platform enables financial institutions to send, receive and track information about financial transactions in a secure and standardised way that facilitates the smooth flow of funds across borders.

    What happens to a country when its banks get cut off from SWIFT?

    It can be crippled financially because money transfer information can't be forwarded to its banks.

    When a country's banks are cut off from SWIFT, it can't pay for imports and can't receive payment for exports.
     
  76. @Bob Newhart
    it's sad that steve still believes pro wrestling is real.

    Pro wrestling is real on a meta level. Our president applies this principle to politics.

  77. It’s not a debate – they agree on everything (I am flattering these trannies and gays – they are so, so, so needy!) . But one of them is more awesome than the other!

  78. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Off topic (...well, not reallly. But for those who haven't seen it):

    This story and twitter thread have to be read to be believed. With a people this stupid and/or duplicitous, America has no hope.

    https://twitter.com/JordanDale9/status/1065430743835439104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1065430743835439104&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Flifestyle%2Fdelta-passenger-reportedly-asked-jews-raise-hands-friends-say-hes-jewish-man-trying-pray-173109374.html

    It reminds me of trying to get a demented pt. back to his room .

  79. @Anonymous
    Switzerland has done pretty well without a war since, well, a long, long time ago. However, I am inclined to agree with the late Revilo P. Oliver that the last war America really won was the Mexican War.

    Switzerland has done pretty well without a war since, well, a long, long time ago.

    Stop with the old-timey Switzerland heckle!

    They did okay, but we can’t all be international parasites. Some major power has to be the fricking host, or Switzerland, like Israel, would be amongst the first countries to get their asses turned inside out the moment a neighbor decide they needed more “living space,” and you know it.

    Finland fucking laughs at them!

    What good are the Swiss to the world now, anyway? They barely handle international finances, and they can legally eat their own cats. They actually filed a referendum to allow their citizens to eat their own cats. That’s world fuckin leadership? A great power we’re talking about here, thanks to no war?

    They’re too stupid to make a proper cuckoo clock, and all their cheese is full of holes. They’re the somewhat smart, but lazy brother who resides in the world’s basement. They’re allowed to stay because they know Quicken.

    They eat their own cats. Sit the fuck down, sir!

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    https://youtu.be/nyuJQ_UO7OE
    , @Anonymous
    I doubt seriously that too many Swiss are eating cats.

    I'm sure I've had cat, without knowing it, thanks to a certain now long gone Chinese establishment in Grandview, Missouri. With some pea pods, water chestnuts and rice it tasted okay. But it's hardly a preferred delicacy.

    Feral cat eradication is actually a specialty of mine: I've killed at least a thousand of the nasty buggers.

    But because of idiot "cat luffers" various jurisdictions make life difficult for feral cat control, including the idiotic "companion animal" laws that are of course insanely speciesist. If you are going to cack feral cats you need to make sure some grandstanding DA can't ingratiate himself with the local cat ladies and PETA twats by going after you on a cooked up charge of animal cruelty or some other horseshit. Although in most jurisdictions it isn't actually de jure illegal, you have to approach it as if it were an illegal activity. Meaning:

    1) Work alone, and talk to no one ever, lest ye olde conspiracy charge rear its head.

    2) Shoot, shovel, and shut up. Police your brass well. You might even use only a barrel you can lap once in a while or don't mind scrapping, wear cheap boots and burn them, don't leave DNA on the ground. (Pro tip: .22 LR is not adequate for feral cats, which are incredibly tough. .22 WMR, 5mm Rem RF Mag, et al, or better yet the ubiquitous .223 are perfect. At close range, pistol cartridges in subcaliber adapters or from carbines work quite well.)

    Maybe the cat referendum was to allow farmers to control ferals under the guise of filling their freezers?
  80. @Neill Massello
    This is obviously satire. The real Max Boot is not that sensible.

    The real Max Boot is a vengeable psychopath – he is a dangerous to humanity. Plus he really hates himself and all his ideas…he really hates nature and animals ( I suspect he tortured his dogs & cats) so, I hate him. simple – he’s a shit.

  81. @RW
    OT: Bannon sounding like Sailer at the Oxford Union.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AtOw-xyMo8

    18:30 Threat of migration from Sub Saharan African north.
    12:20 “Family formation… number one problem is economic anxiety.”
    9:45-10:45 Citizenism (more or less)
    19:20 Focus on what's happening south of the border, not on the other side the world: “We don’t need to go to central Asia to see failed states, we’ve got them on our borders.”

    Bannon sounding like Sailer at the Oxford Union

    Except that Bannon talks as if China is a major threat to the US. And he is a lot more bully on minority opportunities, although I’m guessing his rhetoric about black and Hispanic tech workers is just that.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    He also elides right over the "threat" of "Iran expansion." I realize he was speaking here to a gaggle of media-intoxicated fools, but anyone with half a brain might be interested in some elaboration of how the Trump administration's foreign policy is anything but a lackey for Bibi and Israel.

    And God help the West if these nitwit students are a fair representation of what Oxford admits these days.
    , @AndrewR
    I mean, reasonable people can disagree on the extent to which China is a major threat to the US, but not on the fact that it is a major threat. Besides the threat of nuclear war China is a bigger threat than Russia in every way, except possibly cyberwarfare. Of course, China and the US are also rather dependent on each other too. The biggest story of the next 30-50 years will be US vs China.
    , @Sean
    As our host once mentioned, Cesar Chavez was an anti illegal immigration activist because the Hispanics Americans are the the first ones to suffer from increased supply of workers in their already low wage niche. Bannon is correct. And 2nd generation Hispanics are probably even less able to resist opioids that rustbelt whites are.

    China is not a potential peer, it is an infant giant whose economy becomes the most powerful in the world if nothing drastic is done--and maybe even then. The Chinese leadership rule their vast country by using nationalism to control the masses, and Chinese are taught to regard the West as a bully who humiliates China.

    https://youtu.be/xJYtYssRCHc?t=5078

    Xi and his leadership are riding a Tiger. The Chinese elite would simply be overthrown if they failed to assert themselves against the West, the quickest way for the US to cause regime change would be to humiliate China by having Taiwan declare independence for instance.

    North Sentinel is never going to be a threat, but is and China is and thus needs its growth stunted. If China's growth cannot be stopped, as seems quite likely despite the depredation Bass and Bannon not, then muscle will be necessary--sooner the better. Of course, the Chinese leadership threatened the US with a strategic nuclear strike in any war over Taiwan (after the US said it would defend Taiwan with tactical nukes), but the US is not going to have the capacity to stop China much longer

    The US may not be be able to take Russia and there is not reason to, but I think it could take China although that will change in less than a generation.


    https://theconversation.com/could-the-us-win-world-war-iii-without-using-nuclear-weapons-94771

    Like the Kaiser in 1914, perhaps Trump or one of his successors will express dismay when faced with the reality a major US offensive unleashes. But unlike the Kaiser, who saw his empire first defeated and then dismembered, perhaps a 21st-century US president might get away with it.

     

    The Kaiser waited too long, he should have gone to war in 1905. Kristol is substantially correct, unless China is not going to dwarf America in a generation.

    https://www.economist.com/china/2017/04/06/a-plan-to-build-a-city-from-scratch-that-will-dwarf-new-york


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025

    Made in China 2025 (Chinese: 中国制造2025)[1] is a strategic plan of China issued by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and his cabinet in May 2015.[2]

    The goals of Made in China 2025 include increasing the Chinese-domestic content of core materials to 40% by 2020 and 70% by 2025.[3] The plan focuses on high-tech fields including the pharmaceutical industry which are presently the purview of foreign companies.[4]

    The Center for Strategic and International Studies describes it as an "initiative to comprehensively upgrade Chinese industry" directly inspired by the German Industry 4.0.[1] It is an attempt to move the country's manufacturing up the value chain[5] and become a major manufacturing power in direct competition with the United States[6][7]. The US think tank Council on Foreign Relations stated in 2018 that it is a "real existential threat to U.S. technological leadership".[8]
     


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigation_Acts

    The major impetus for the first Navigation Act was the ruinous deterioration of English trade in the aftermath of the Eighty Years' War, and the associated lifting of the Spanish embargoes on trade between the Spanish Empire and the Dutch Republic. The end of the embargoes in 1647 unleashed the full power of the Amsterdam Entrepôt and other Dutch competitive advantages in European and world trade. Within a few years, English merchants had practically been overwhelmed in the Baltic and North sea trade, as well as trade with the Iberian Peninsula, the Mediterranean and the Levant. Even the trade with English colonies (partly still in the hands of the royalists, as the English Civil War was in its final stages and the Commonwealth of England had not yet imposed its authority throughout the English colonies) was "engrossed" by Dutch merchants. English direct trade was crowded out by a sudden influx of commodities from the Levant, Mediterranean and the Spanish and Portuguese empires, and the West Indies via the Dutch Entrepôt, carried in Dutch ships and for Dutch account.[5]

    The obvious solution seemed to be to seal off the English markets to these unwanted imports. [
     

    China is not using its 50 billion plus surplus to buy US high tech products, it is buying animal feed, and building up its own high tech productive capacity, while deliberately eroding the West's. This is China's equivalent of the Navigation Acts.

    From mid-17th century, England was powerful enough to impose the Navigation Acts (1651, 1662), barring foreign traders from its colonies and giving British shipping "the monopoly of the trade of their own country" (imports), either "by absolute prohibitions" or "heavy burdens" on others (Adam Smith, who reviews these measures with mixed reservations and approval). The "twin goals" of these initiatives were "strategic power and economic wealth through shipping and colonial monopoly," the Cambridge Economic History of Europe relates. Britain's goal in the Anglo-Dutch wars from 1652 to 1674 was to restrict or destroy Dutch trade and shipping. [...] Only China and Japan were able to keep the West out at the time, because "they already knew the rules of the game."
     
  82. Jesus,Steve, you know he is a big shit! He leet many of his get away with child abuse and having children in child brothels. Of course, the Hollyowwd stars of the 80’s were destroyed by these alleges.

  83. Suggesting regime change in China is particularly crazy, even for Kristol. I wonder if this wacky idea is at all related to Kristol’s surprising tweet after the midterms about how demographics are destiny. It’s like he’s tripling down on his neocon warmongering in the most insane way imaginable as a confused response to his (possibly) accidental admission that “invite the world” is not a sustainable strategy.

  84. @donut
    How come the US Gov't will sell weapons to everyone but US citizens ?

    The US government will sell you a Combat Rifle to practice with.

    http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/

    • Replies: @donut
    I don't want some M1 surplus grand . I want a belt fed machine gun a full auto assault rifle and an RPG to pursue my happiness with . And maybe a Pak-40 :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7fhBm1ouSU

    I may not overtake happiness but I can sure as shit keep the blues at bay .

  85. Anon[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hhh
    Give bill some credit. This seems to be the first time he advocated regime change NOT for israel. Its basically for no reason at all

    Give bill some credit. This seems to be the first time he advocated regime change NOT for israel. Its basically for no reason at all

    A more conspiracy minded person might look for ways that this just fits the same pattern. Crazy conspiracy people might think that the parenthetical elites see the writing on the wall for the west.

    They need to be a part of the up and coming Asian powerhouse. And for that to happen they need a Chinese regime that isn’t so focused on governing and preserving China for the Chinese.

    But maybe, this time, Bill is just promoting war for no good reason at all.

    • Agree: Buck Ransom
  86. @Anonymous
    This is only somewhat more ambitious than most black churches, in which all sorts of behaviors besides bible reading and services go on regularly. I had a co-worker who serviced most of the Hammond organs in the black churches in a Midwest city and within a couple of years this had converted him from a liberal into a hardened race realist.

    Not that white churches are as pure as the driven snow. But the order of magnitude is completely different.

    Give us some juicy stories. What did your co-worker tell you?

  87. @Chrisnonymous

    Bannon sounding like Sailer at the Oxford Union
     
    Except that Bannon talks as if China is a major threat to the US. And he is a lot more bully on minority opportunities, although I'm guessing his rhetoric about black and Hispanic tech workers is just that.

    He also elides right over the “threat” of “Iran expansion.” I realize he was speaking here to a gaggle of media-intoxicated fools, but anyone with half a brain might be interested in some elaboration of how the Trump administration’s foreign policy is anything but a lackey for Bibi and Israel.

    And God help the West if these nitwit students are a fair representation of what Oxford admits these days.

  88. I must say I never had heard of Bill Kristol until I started reading this blog in July. How bout we make his theme song Zep’s Whole Lotta Love; but change Love to Blood?

  89. @Chrisnonymous

    Bannon sounding like Sailer at the Oxford Union
     
    Except that Bannon talks as if China is a major threat to the US. And he is a lot more bully on minority opportunities, although I'm guessing his rhetoric about black and Hispanic tech workers is just that.

    I mean, reasonable people can disagree on the extent to which China is a major threat to the US, but not on the fact that it is a major threat. Besides the threat of nuclear war China is a bigger threat than Russia in every way, except possibly cyberwarfare. Of course, China and the US are also rather dependent on each other too. The biggest story of the next 30-50 years will be US vs China.

  90. @Svigor
    Kristol looks like a lizard-man. If I saw him sunning himself on some rocks and then his tongue flicked out to catch a bug while no other part of him moved, I wouldn't look even a little bit surprised.

    Yeah, Bill Kristol does look like a lizard, doesn’t he? There is something about the way the skin is pulled back around his eyes and temples.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I always thought that Bill Kristol looked a lot like Grimace from the McDonald's commercials. Take a look and let me know.
  91. @Svigor
    In other words, Jews assimilated.

    Which might be why they never mention how the Han exterminated the Dzungars; because the Dzungars are chopped liver and Jews don't actually care about genocide, per se.

    Jews just can’t pull any tricks in China, because they’re physically identifiable, and they know that the Han would never tolerate it.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Jews just can’t pull any tricks in China, because they’re physically identifiable, and they know that the Han would never tolerate
     
    The crypsis begins.

    https://pagesix.com/2017/08/28/mark-zuckerberg-and-priscilla-chan-welcome-second-child/
  92. @R Rover

    Switzerland has done pretty well without a war since, well, a long, long time ago.
     
    Stop with the old-timey Switzerland heckle!

    They did okay, but we can't all be international parasites. Some major power has to be the fricking host, or Switzerland, like Israel, would be amongst the first countries to get their asses turned inside out the moment a neighbor decide they needed more "living space," and you know it.

    Finland fucking laughs at them!

    What good are the Swiss to the world now, anyway? They barely handle international finances, and they can legally eat their own cats. They actually filed a referendum to allow their citizens to eat their own cats. That’s world fuckin leadership? A great power we’re talking about here, thanks to no war?

    They’re too stupid to make a proper cuckoo clock, and all their cheese is full of holes. They’re the somewhat smart, but lazy brother who resides in the world's basement. They’re allowed to stay because they know Quicken.

    They eat their own cats. Sit the fuck down, sir!

  93. Meanwhile rabbi in europe urges Israel’s likud government to cut ties with the Likud-lite parties of europe
    https://mobile.twitter.com/avitalrachel/status/1066514876212879362

  94. @L Woods
    It ‘worked’ for the UK, at least in the short run. And Germany did indeed win on the eastern front.

    Britain decided to work with the US rather than slap them down, I suppose ethnic ties played a role as much as good sense.

    That said intervening on behalf of the Confederacy would have been an easy way to negate the rise of the US. Mostly would have been a RN intervention to end the blockade with Johnny Reb mostly holding his own on land.

  95. @Svigor
    You kid, but I think we should debate whether we want Jews "debating" Jews on important national issues as a means of shaping public opinion to be a thing.

    I turn on NPR and hear a Jew "moderating" a "discussion" with several other Jews waaaay too often.

    I’d definitely like to have lived several decades ago, when giving voice to such concerns was appropriate, apposite, and allowed.

  96. @Sean

    Could we just say that all hundred dollar bills with serial numbers starting with “D” and ending with 00 through 99 are now null and void?
     
    Gold Certificate dollar bills?

    Anyway, clearly a country can do that to foreigners, just as the government can draft people into the army and send them off to die. A country can do anything.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/07/donald-trumps-glorious-threat-to-default-on-the-national-debt-is-just-the-conventional-wisdom/#7e15ba81a367

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.

    And a country that does not want to repay its debts always finds ways to say it cannot.

    It’s a slippery slope. Look to Argentina and Greece, for example, to see peoples who simply don’t want to deal with the repercussions of decisions they have made in the past. Oh yeah, they blame their leaders, and also the leaders of other countries.

    In fact, that is the most common thread, from the micro scale of the individual and family up to the largest scale of nations. It’s always someone else’s fault.

  97. @MikeatMikedotMike
    The plan is already underway. Why do you guys think Fred Reed was really in China?

    Next step in the plan:

    An article by David French in NRO will be the next crucial step in winning hearts and minds: The Conservative Case for the Invasion of China.

    You skeptics don't even know how easy it will be to do either. Just load a single division of the Army's women, trannies, and homosexuals, commanded by Keith Ellison's son, into Yang Ming shipping containers, send them over, ?????, and boom!, decisive victory.

    Just load a single division of the Army’s women, trannies, and homosexuals, commanded by Keith Ellison’s son, into Yang Ming shipping containers, send them over, ?????, and boom!, decisive victory.

    This gives me hope that one day soon America will have to give up its policy of being a colossal nuisance around the globe. Perhaps there is a method to the madness after all. No, I really don’t believe this but it’s a pleasant fantasy.

  98. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @R Rover

    Switzerland has done pretty well without a war since, well, a long, long time ago.
     
    Stop with the old-timey Switzerland heckle!

    They did okay, but we can't all be international parasites. Some major power has to be the fricking host, or Switzerland, like Israel, would be amongst the first countries to get their asses turned inside out the moment a neighbor decide they needed more "living space," and you know it.

    Finland fucking laughs at them!

    What good are the Swiss to the world now, anyway? They barely handle international finances, and they can legally eat their own cats. They actually filed a referendum to allow their citizens to eat their own cats. That’s world fuckin leadership? A great power we’re talking about here, thanks to no war?

    They’re too stupid to make a proper cuckoo clock, and all their cheese is full of holes. They’re the somewhat smart, but lazy brother who resides in the world's basement. They’re allowed to stay because they know Quicken.

    They eat their own cats. Sit the fuck down, sir!

    I doubt seriously that too many Swiss are eating cats.

    I’m sure I’ve had cat, without knowing it, thanks to a certain now long gone Chinese establishment in Grandview, Missouri. With some pea pods, water chestnuts and rice it tasted okay. But it’s hardly a preferred delicacy.

    Feral cat eradication is actually a specialty of mine: I’ve killed at least a thousand of the nasty buggers.

    But because of idiot “cat luffers” various jurisdictions make life difficult for feral cat control, including the idiotic “companion animal” laws that are of course insanely speciesist. If you are going to cack feral cats you need to make sure some grandstanding DA can’t ingratiate himself with the local cat ladies and PETA twats by going after you on a cooked up charge of animal cruelty or some other horseshit. Although in most jurisdictions it isn’t actually de jure illegal, you have to approach it as if it were an illegal activity. Meaning:

    1) Work alone, and talk to no one ever, lest ye olde conspiracy charge rear its head.

    2) Shoot, shovel, and shut up. Police your brass well. You might even use only a barrel you can lap once in a while or don’t mind scrapping, wear cheap boots and burn them, don’t leave DNA on the ground. (Pro tip: .22 LR is not adequate for feral cats, which are incredibly tough. .22 WMR, 5mm Rem RF Mag, et al, or better yet the ubiquitous .223 are perfect. At close range, pistol cartridges in subcaliber adapters or from carbines work quite well.)

    Maybe the cat referendum was to allow farmers to control ferals under the guise of filling their freezers?

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    Have you ever retired a dog by mistake?
  99. @Hhh
    Give bill some credit. This seems to be the first time he advocated regime change NOT for israel. Its basically for no reason at all

    At the 06 Wye conference, American Jewish thought, religious, and business leaders decided to transition to dominating China. It isn’t working for them yet, thus the pressure.

    This should not be confused with the Wye River conference in the 90s between Israel and Palestine.

  100. Anybody who’s been paying attention knows that the time-tested Asian ability to resist and ward off the arm-twisting ministrations of Jewish supremacists has to be driving Team Shmuel bugf**k; thus conversations like the above are less parodies than they are paradigms – of very similar and dead-serious conversations taking place wherever church steeples are regularly spat upon. (Hey, don’t lookit me – take it up with Billy the K’s paterfamilias).

    Basically, it comes down to if they won’t let us be a lamp unto their nations in our usual (cough) advisory capacity, we’ll just have to beat the drums for war – sorry, “regime change” – from the poshness of our corner offices. Alas, given how their ironclad control over western public life only ever weakens the resolve of gentiles while further consolidating Jewish power and control, the over-under on this blogpost morphing from parody into prophecy is twenty years (although you might need to allow an additional ten years to cover for Soros-engineered civil war and the subsequent kosher reconstruction to follow).

  101. @Sean

    Could we just say that all hundred dollar bills with serial numbers starting with “D” and ending with 00 through 99 are now null and void?
     
    Gold Certificate dollar bills?

    Anyway, clearly a country can do that to foreigners, just as the government can draft people into the army and send them off to die. A country can do anything.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/07/donald-trumps-glorious-threat-to-default-on-the-national-debt-is-just-the-conventional-wisdom/#7e15ba81a367

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.

    Oh, no doubt in my mind, Sean, and we are Exhibit A. However, my point here is that you cannot single out certain debts to default on, when they are held in pieces of paper (and in computer files) that can be transferred at will, to pay other debts, create other debts, etc.

    Were the US Treasury to state that certain bonds are null and void, then the US dollar would be pretty much worthless at that point. It’s gonna be, one way or the other, but that’s not the easy way out for governments. Inflation IS.

    • Replies: @Sean
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/01/26/inflation-shock-mounting-danger-warn-davos-veterans/

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/world-politics/article/left-and-organized-labor-in-lowinflation-times/FCA830C00456CF07095265662A3D9E41

    Inflation is a symptom of organised labour having the whip hand, The Unions run nothing now.

    In his business career, Trump's art of the deal consisted of forcing his creditors to be satisfied with less by confronting them with the prospect of getting nothing at all if they tried to get all they thought they were entitled to. He explicitly said that could be done with US debt, which the Forbes expert I linked to said is far short of what is always open to a country although it just is not talked about. And that was before it was discovered that China has been stealing. China is an enemy country, an aggressor and thief. The Davos crowd did not want US intelligence to tell anyone.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/china-s-hackers-are-stealing-secrets-u-s-firms-again-n917836

    https://law.stanford.edu/2018/04/10/intellectual-property-china-china-stealing-american-ip/

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-unreal-scope-of-chinas-intellectual-property-theft/

  102. @Anonymous
    Switzerland has done pretty well without a war since, well, a long, long time ago. However, I am inclined to agree with the late Revilo P. Oliver that the last war America really won was the Mexican War.

    Hate to break it to ol’ Revilo but the Mexicans are trying to reverse our victory there. And the Democrats are helping them.

  103. @Chrisnonymous

    Bannon sounding like Sailer at the Oxford Union
     
    Except that Bannon talks as if China is a major threat to the US. And he is a lot more bully on minority opportunities, although I'm guessing his rhetoric about black and Hispanic tech workers is just that.

    As our host once mentioned, Cesar Chavez was an anti illegal immigration activist because the Hispanics Americans are the the first ones to suffer from increased supply of workers in their already low wage niche. Bannon is correct. And 2nd generation Hispanics are probably even less able to resist opioids that rustbelt whites are.

    China is not a potential peer, it is an infant giant whose economy becomes the most powerful in the world if nothing drastic is done–and maybe even then. The Chinese leadership rule their vast country by using nationalism to control the masses, and Chinese are taught to regard the West as a bully who humiliates China.

    Xi and his leadership are riding a Tiger. The Chinese elite would simply be overthrown if they failed to assert themselves against the West, the quickest way for the US to cause regime change would be to humiliate China by having Taiwan declare independence for instance.

    North Sentinel is never going to be a threat, but is and China is and thus needs its growth stunted. If China’s growth cannot be stopped, as seems quite likely despite the depredation Bass and Bannon not, then muscle will be necessary–sooner the better. Of course, the Chinese leadership threatened the US with a strategic nuclear strike in any war over Taiwan (after the US said it would defend Taiwan with tactical nukes), but the US is not going to have the capacity to stop China much longer

    The US may not be be able to take Russia and there is not reason to, but I think it could take China although that will change in less than a generation.

    https://theconversation.com/could-the-us-win-world-war-iii-without-using-nuclear-weapons-94771

    Like the Kaiser in 1914, perhaps Trump or one of his successors will express dismay when faced with the reality a major US offensive unleashes. But unlike the Kaiser, who saw his empire first defeated and then dismembered, perhaps a 21st-century US president might get away with it.

    The Kaiser waited too long, he should have gone to war in 1905. Kristol is substantially correct, unless China is not going to dwarf America in a generation.

    https://www.economist.com/china/2017/04/06/a-plan-to-build-a-city-from-scratch-that-will-dwarf-new-york

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025

    Made in China 2025 (Chinese: 中国制造2025)[1] is a strategic plan of China issued by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and his cabinet in May 2015.[2]

    The goals of Made in China 2025 include increasing the Chinese-domestic content of core materials to 40% by 2020 and 70% by 2025.[3] The plan focuses on high-tech fields including the pharmaceutical industry which are presently the purview of foreign companies.[4]

    The Center for Strategic and International Studies describes it as an “initiative to comprehensively upgrade Chinese industry” directly inspired by the German Industry 4.0.[1] It is an attempt to move the country’s manufacturing up the value chain[5] and become a major manufacturing power in direct competition with the United States[6][7]. The US think tank Council on Foreign Relations stated in 2018 that it is a “real existential threat to U.S. technological leadership”.[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigation_Acts

    The major impetus for the first Navigation Act was the ruinous deterioration of English trade in the aftermath of the Eighty Years’ War, and the associated lifting of the Spanish embargoes on trade between the Spanish Empire and the Dutch Republic. The end of the embargoes in 1647 unleashed the full power of the Amsterdam Entrepôt and other Dutch competitive advantages in European and world trade. Within a few years, English merchants had practically been overwhelmed in the Baltic and North sea trade, as well as trade with the Iberian Peninsula, the Mediterranean and the Levant. Even the trade with English colonies (partly still in the hands of the royalists, as the English Civil War was in its final stages and the Commonwealth of England had not yet imposed its authority throughout the English colonies) was “engrossed” by Dutch merchants. English direct trade was crowded out by a sudden influx of commodities from the Levant, Mediterranean and the Spanish and Portuguese empires, and the West Indies via the Dutch Entrepôt, carried in Dutch ships and for Dutch account.[5]

    The obvious solution seemed to be to seal off the English markets to these unwanted imports. [

    China is not using its 50 billion plus surplus to buy US high tech products, it is buying animal feed, and building up its own high tech productive capacity, while deliberately eroding the West’s. This is China’s equivalent of the Navigation Acts.

    From mid-17th century, England was powerful enough to impose the Navigation Acts (1651, 1662), barring foreign traders from its colonies and giving British shipping “the monopoly of the trade of their own country” (imports), either “by absolute prohibitions” or “heavy burdens” on others (Adam Smith, who reviews these measures with mixed reservations and approval). The “twin goals” of these initiatives were “strategic power and economic wealth through shipping and colonial monopoly,” the Cambridge Economic History of Europe relates. Britain’s goal in the Anglo-Dutch wars from 1652 to 1674 was to restrict or destroy Dutch trade and shipping. […] Only China and Japan were able to keep the West out at the time, because “they already knew the rules of the game.”

  104. @Achmed E. Newman

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.
     
    Oh, no doubt in my mind, Sean, and we are Exhibit A. However, my point here is that you cannot single out certain debts to default on, when they are held in pieces of paper (and in computer files) that can be transferred at will, to pay other debts, create other debts, etc.

    Were the US Treasury to state that certain bonds are null and void, then the US dollar would be pretty much worthless at that point. It's gonna be, one way or the other, but that's not the easy way out for governments. Inflation IS.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/01/26/inflation-shock-mounting-danger-warn-davos-veterans/

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/world-politics/article/left-and-organized-labor-in-lowinflation-times/FCA830C00456CF07095265662A3D9E41

    Inflation is a symptom of organised labour having the whip hand, The Unions run nothing now.

    In his business career, Trump’s art of the deal consisted of forcing his creditors to be satisfied with less by confronting them with the prospect of getting nothing at all if they tried to get all they thought they were entitled to. He explicitly said that could be done with US debt, which the Forbes expert I linked to said is far short of what is always open to a country although it just is not talked about. And that was before it was discovered that China has been stealing. China is an enemy country, an aggressor and thief. The Davos crowd did not want US intelligence to tell anyone.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/china-s-hackers-are-stealing-secrets-u-s-firms-again-n917836

    https://law.stanford.edu/2018/04/10/intellectual-property-china-china-stealing-american-ip/

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-unreal-scope-of-chinas-intellectual-property-theft/

  105. Kristol isn’t being serious. He’s just stirring up Yellow Peril to distract Americans from the fact of Jewish Supremacist dominance.

  106. @Joe Stalin
    The US government will sell you a Combat Rifle to practice with.

    http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/

    I don’t want some M1 surplus grand . I want a belt fed machine gun a full auto assault rifle and an RPG to pursue my happiness with . And maybe a Pak-40 :

    I may not overtake happiness but I can sure as shit keep the blues at bay .

  107. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "they will be able to shape the “narrative” by subtle massaging of what reaches the public consciousness that will be beyond the power of the unsophisticated Chinese public servants to detect yet alone control"

    That's a very optimistic (from a US perspective) take. I think the Chinese public consciousness is not at all like the American one, and that perhaps the only way to subtly massage it could be with the aid of overseas Chinese. Who are they more likely to be loyal to?

    Eamon Fingleton


    The evidence is in: the Confucian values by which China is ruled are not only incompatible with those of the West, they prove strikingly more robust. Far from China changing, Westerners who do business in China are modifying their behavior–often quite troublingly–under Beijing’s influence. Picture a phalanx of chocolate soldiers marching into a blowtorch.

    The most common way Westerners compromise is simply by doing business “the Chinese way.” Writing from Shanghai in 2005, Peter S. Goodman of the Washington Post commented, “American business leaders often describe their China operations idealistically, suggesting that their presence here will compel Chinese competitors to adopt more ethical business practices. But in one key regard, the dynamic operates in reverse, with U.S. companies adopting Chinese-style tactics to secure sales, as they compete in a market in which Communist Party officials routinely control businesses, and purchasing agents consider kickbacks part of their salary.

    In the words of Carolyn Bartholomew, chairman of the United States-China Economic and Security Review Commission, many American companies have “Faustian bargains” with Beijing. She cites Yahoo!, Google, and Microsoft, which have agreed to abide by China’s censorship rules in serving Chinese Internet users. Yahoo! voluntarily handed over evidence that led to one Chinese Internet user being sentenced to ten years in prison. Bartholomew commented, “Far from capitalism changing the Chinese government, it is the Chinese government changing capitalists. Rather than the birth of freedom with telecommunications and the Internet serving as the handmaiden of democracy, we have the Internet entrepreneurs selling rope to the hangmen.

    In a world that has been drastically shrunk by fast travel and cheap telecommunications (not to mention intercontinental missiles), it is hard to see how Confucianism and Western individualism can continue to coexist as equals. By proclaiming American values not only more desirable but inherently stronger, Washington has virtually guaranteed that Beijing’s rejoinder will be a sotto voce “We’ll see.”

    Chinese leaders are not looking for war, at least not against the world’s major nuclear powers. That said, they are greatly influenced by the ancient Chinese military theoretician Sun Tzu, one of whose aphorisms seems particularly relevant: “To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”

    The betting is that China will penetrate American society by stealth in a process best called reverse convergence. Building on the extensive if unobtrusive groundwork laid by earlier East Asian industrializers, China can be expected in the fullness of time to become a major factor in shaping outcomes in Washington. The effect of globalism has been to create a political vacuum in Washington, where an alert eye to the American national interest was once present.

    Of particular concern is how well Western intellectual organizations will stand up. The idea that Western media might be vulnerable to pressure from Beijing may seem preposterous, but there is evidence that things are already going the wrong way. When was the last time a major American newspaper took a searching look at the car markets of Japan or South Korea? In truth, any attempt by the American media to focus serious attention on East Asian protectionism would raise the specter of a boycott by key advertisers, probably acting in concert under government leadership. Give them 15 to 20 years and the Beijing authorities will enjoy similar clout in the American advertising market.

    Top American Internet companies have already reneged on Western values in pursuit of lucrative business in their Chinese subsidiaries. How long before they prove similarly malleable in their domestic operations? Writing for the New York Times on a conference in Shanghai in 2005, Tina Rosenberg recounted how top American business leaders fawned on Chinese Communist Party officials. She added: “Let’s not pretend that foreign investment will make China a democracy. That argument was born out of desperation and self-interest. Because China is too lucrative a market to resist, American and European businessmen have ended up endorsing the party line through their silence–or worse. They are not molding China; China is molding them.
     

    I don’t think what you argue here is incompatible with what Felix says. Jews are highly intelligent and adaptive people. It’s not like they have no experience successfully adapting to absolutist regimes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_Jew

    The rise of the absolute monarchies in Central Europe brought many Jews, mostly of Ashkenazi origin, into the position of negotiating loans for the various courts. They could amass personal fortunes and gain political and social influence.

  108. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Could we just say that all hundred dollar bills with serial numbers starting with “D” and ending with 00 through 99 are now null and void?
     
    Gold Certificate dollar bills?

    Anyway, clearly a country can do that to foreigners, just as the government can draft people into the army and send them off to die. A country can do anything.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/07/donald-trumps-glorious-threat-to-default-on-the-national-debt-is-just-the-conventional-wisdom/#7e15ba81a367

    A country that cannot repay its debts does not repay its debts.

    Bonds are essentially identical to dollar bills. They’re highly liquid dollar bills that trade at a premium to ordinary dollars because they earn interest.

    Since bonds are virtually identical to dollars and are highly liquid, fungible assets, you wouldn’t be able to simply cancel some of the bonds without devaluing the dollar. It would be like announcing that some proportion of the dollars out there in the world are actually worth zero. Dollars being fungible, you wouldn’t know which dollars are worthless, and the average value of a dollar would decline as a result.

    To cancel the bonds held by a specific party, like China, you’d have to sanction China like the US recently did to Iran by cutting Iran’s central bank and its commercial banks off from the global SWIFT financial network, as well as getting other countries to go along with the sanctions and threatening them with sanctions if they don’t cooperate. This would inhibit China’s ability to trade its US bonds.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/swift-matters-iran-spat-181105172906627.html

    What is SWIFT?

    A Belgian-based messaging platform that facilitates cross-border payments.

    The member-owned cooperative connects more than 11,000 banks, financial institutions and corporations in more than 200 countries and territories around the world.

    What is it not?

    It’s not a bank, it doesn’t hold money or manage it. It neither initiate transfers nor clears or settles payments.

    Why is SWIFT important?

    Think of SWIFT as the central nervous system of international financial transactions. The messaging platform enables financial institutions to send, receive and track information about financial transactions in a secure and standardised way that facilitates the smooth flow of funds across borders.

    What happens to a country when its banks get cut off from SWIFT?

    It can be crippled financially because money transfer information can’t be forwarded to its banks.

    When a country’s banks are cut off from SWIFT, it can’t pay for imports and can’t receive payment for exports.

    • Replies: @Sean
    To cancel the bonds held by a specific party, like China, you'd have to sanction China like the US recently did to ....CHINA

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45596485
    21 September 2018
    The US has imposed sanctions on the Chinese military over its purchasing of Russian military jets and surface-to-air missiles. China's Equipment Development Department (EDD) and its head, Li Shangfu, are sanctioned for completing "significant transactions" with Russia's state arms exporter, Rosoboronexport.

    The EDD and Mr Li have been added to a Blocked Persons List, meaning any assets they hold in the US are frozen and Americans are "generally prohibited" from doing business with them.

    Furthermore, the EDD is denied export licences and excluded from the American financial system.
     

    The threat would be one that China could not discount.
  109. @Redneck farmer
    Sorry Steve. There is too good a chance this conversation ACTUALLY HAPPENED to be funny.
    I do hear that French wants to run North Korea after it's liberated, for some weird read on or other.

    He just wants to adopt some NorK orphans. Needs more points.

  110. @a reader
    OT,

    Nicolas Roeg, RIP.

    Nicolas Roeg, RIP.

    Worked on “Lawrence of Arabia” but got booted, so was uncredited. I would like to hear that story from him, but too late. To get fired by David Lean? A resume enhancer for sure.

  111. @Anonymous
    Bonds are essentially identical to dollar bills. They're highly liquid dollar bills that trade at a premium to ordinary dollars because they earn interest.

    Since bonds are virtually identical to dollars and are highly liquid, fungible assets, you wouldn't be able to simply cancel some of the bonds without devaluing the dollar. It would be like announcing that some proportion of the dollars out there in the world are actually worth zero. Dollars being fungible, you wouldn't know which dollars are worthless, and the average value of a dollar would decline as a result.

    To cancel the bonds held by a specific party, like China, you'd have to sanction China like the US recently did to Iran by cutting Iran's central bank and its commercial banks off from the global SWIFT financial network, as well as getting other countries to go along with the sanctions and threatening them with sanctions if they don't cooperate. This would inhibit China's ability to trade its US bonds.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/swift-matters-iran-spat-181105172906627.html

    What is SWIFT?

    A Belgian-based messaging platform that facilitates cross-border payments.

    The member-owned cooperative connects more than 11,000 banks, financial institutions and corporations in more than 200 countries and territories around the world.

    What is it not?

    It's not a bank, it doesn't hold money or manage it. It neither initiate transfers nor clears or settles payments.

    Why is SWIFT important?

    Think of SWIFT as the central nervous system of international financial transactions. The messaging platform enables financial institutions to send, receive and track information about financial transactions in a secure and standardised way that facilitates the smooth flow of funds across borders.

    What happens to a country when its banks get cut off from SWIFT?

    It can be crippled financially because money transfer information can't be forwarded to its banks.

    When a country's banks are cut off from SWIFT, it can't pay for imports and can't receive payment for exports.
     

    To cancel the bonds held by a specific party, like China, you’d have to sanction China like the US recently did to ….CHINA

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45596485
    21 September 2018
    The US has imposed sanctions on the Chinese military over its purchasing of Russian military jets and surface-to-air missiles. China’s Equipment Development Department (EDD) and its head, Li Shangfu, are sanctioned for completing “significant transactions” with Russia’s state arms exporter, Rosoboronexport.

    The EDD and Mr Li have been added to a Blocked Persons List, meaning any assets they hold in the US are frozen and Americans are “generally prohibited” from doing business with them.

    Furthermore, the EDD is denied export licences and excluded from the American financial system.

    The threat would be one that China could not discount.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Imposing financial sanctions to cancel bonds would be more challenging and significant than sanctioning a few individuals and a department over military purchases. You'd have to get the whole world in a financial embargo against China, and even then there'd be countries using various workarounds, like Europe is doing with Iran.
  112. @Lowe
    Jews just can't pull any tricks in China, because they're physically identifiable, and they know that the Han would never tolerate it.

    Jews just can’t pull any tricks in China, because they’re physically identifiable, and they know that the Han would never tolerate

    The crypsis begins.

    https://pagesix.com/2017/08/28/mark-zuckerberg-and-priscilla-chan-welcome-second-child/

  113. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    To cancel the bonds held by a specific party, like China, you'd have to sanction China like the US recently did to ....CHINA

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45596485
    21 September 2018
    The US has imposed sanctions on the Chinese military over its purchasing of Russian military jets and surface-to-air missiles. China's Equipment Development Department (EDD) and its head, Li Shangfu, are sanctioned for completing "significant transactions" with Russia's state arms exporter, Rosoboronexport.

    The EDD and Mr Li have been added to a Blocked Persons List, meaning any assets they hold in the US are frozen and Americans are "generally prohibited" from doing business with them.

    Furthermore, the EDD is denied export licences and excluded from the American financial system.
     

    The threat would be one that China could not discount.

    Imposing financial sanctions to cancel bonds would be more challenging and significant than sanctioning a few individuals and a department over military purchases. You’d have to get the whole world in a financial embargo against China, and even then there’d be countries using various workarounds, like Europe is doing with Iran.

    • Replies: @Sean
    Everyone is keen on continuing a game as long as they come out on top. Before Trump America was winning like Charlie Sheen. The Chinese are only keen on playing by the rules of international trade because China is gaining on the US under the current arrangements so fast that if the US does not take action it will become second banana. Therefore, it might well make strategic sense for Trump to do something that would hurt the US more than China in an absolute sense, but China more than the US in a relative sense. What matters is relative power.

    China might be thought to have a wedge on US policy, but in fact they are begining to realise they are inhibited from using their ownership of US debt by the threat of precipitating some kind of extreme action by Trump. Germany is a defence parasite and economic aggressor that the US is under no obligation to listen to about Iran. The Germans of Dusseldorf are not so stupid and know they need to continue doing business in the US, where the profits are.

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/finance/german-banks-trade-payments-sanctions-iran-968648
    October 2, 2018

    German banks pull plug on trade with Iran
    Despite Berlin's pledge to keep the Iranian nuclear deal alive, German banks are so scared of breaching US sanctions that they are refusing to process payments from Iran
     

  114. @Anonymous
    I doubt seriously that too many Swiss are eating cats.

    I'm sure I've had cat, without knowing it, thanks to a certain now long gone Chinese establishment in Grandview, Missouri. With some pea pods, water chestnuts and rice it tasted okay. But it's hardly a preferred delicacy.

    Feral cat eradication is actually a specialty of mine: I've killed at least a thousand of the nasty buggers.

    But because of idiot "cat luffers" various jurisdictions make life difficult for feral cat control, including the idiotic "companion animal" laws that are of course insanely speciesist. If you are going to cack feral cats you need to make sure some grandstanding DA can't ingratiate himself with the local cat ladies and PETA twats by going after you on a cooked up charge of animal cruelty or some other horseshit. Although in most jurisdictions it isn't actually de jure illegal, you have to approach it as if it were an illegal activity. Meaning:

    1) Work alone, and talk to no one ever, lest ye olde conspiracy charge rear its head.

    2) Shoot, shovel, and shut up. Police your brass well. You might even use only a barrel you can lap once in a while or don't mind scrapping, wear cheap boots and burn them, don't leave DNA on the ground. (Pro tip: .22 LR is not adequate for feral cats, which are incredibly tough. .22 WMR, 5mm Rem RF Mag, et al, or better yet the ubiquitous .223 are perfect. At close range, pistol cartridges in subcaliber adapters or from carbines work quite well.)

    Maybe the cat referendum was to allow farmers to control ferals under the guise of filling their freezers?

    Have you ever retired a dog by mistake?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No.

    I have had to put two dogs down because they were injured and obviously beyond saving by veterinary care, and hated doing it, but did it because it was the right thing to do.

    However, I have rural friends who have had to participate in feral dog pack eliminations. Feral dogs will revert back to wolfish behavior and for dangerous packs on occasion, and when it happens present a substantial threat to the local citizenry, pets, and wildlife. I have never been part of that.

    Feral cats and starlings-my varmints of choice really, by circumstance and because they cause no end of trouble. No one much objects to starling control but feral cat control, makes a small but noisy segment of the population very upset.

    It's important to understand that there is a big difference between a farm cat (a desirable critter, in moderation of numbers, to farmers), the occasional stray or community cat, and a serious infestation of hardcore feral cats. Ferals usually become a problem when some misguided people deliberately feed them and they get out of hand, or from poor control of food waste. Ferals are biologically members of Felis domesticus but they are not approachable by humans and will attack if cornered, and occasionally even if not. They are substantial disease vectors and devastate local wildlife.

    So, when circumstances require and it isn't specifically against the law (most game wardens and rural sheriffs have no issue with feral cat control) I have stepped up to the plate. I kill the ferals in the most humane way I can, and I usually bury them so as not to disturb the sensibilities of others.

    One of the biggest piles of ferals I ever participated in cleaning up, was in fact outside Lawrence, Kansas, where two individuals misguidedly and indiscriminately fed them. One was a crazy old fat woman and the other was an individual I won't name who we have discussed before, one of the more famous individuals in that town before his passing several years ago.
  115. @Lowe
    Yeah, Bill Kristol does look like a lizard, doesn't he? There is something about the way the skin is pulled back around his eyes and temples.

    I always thought that Bill Kristol looked a lot like Grimace from the McDonald’s commercials. Take a look and let me know.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    Well, maybe a little. His mouth and nose seem a little wide for his face. But Grimace isn't the first thing that comes to mind for me.
  116. “Aren’t we at war with Russia?”

    We very well could be when the democrats take over. They’ll want a whipping boy to distract from domestic troubles they caused. The Russians should prepare themselves.

  117. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yngvar
    Have you ever retired a dog by mistake?

    No.

    I have had to put two dogs down because they were injured and obviously beyond saving by veterinary care, and hated doing it, but did it because it was the right thing to do.

    However, I have rural friends who have had to participate in feral dog pack eliminations. Feral dogs will revert back to wolfish behavior and for dangerous packs on occasion, and when it happens present a substantial threat to the local citizenry, pets, and wildlife. I have never been part of that.

    Feral cats and starlings-my varmints of choice really, by circumstance and because they cause no end of trouble. No one much objects to starling control but feral cat control, makes a small but noisy segment of the population very upset.

    It’s important to understand that there is a big difference between a farm cat (a desirable critter, in moderation of numbers, to farmers), the occasional stray or community cat, and a serious infestation of hardcore feral cats. Ferals usually become a problem when some misguided people deliberately feed them and they get out of hand, or from poor control of food waste. Ferals are biologically members of Felis domesticus but they are not approachable by humans and will attack if cornered, and occasionally even if not. They are substantial disease vectors and devastate local wildlife.

    So, when circumstances require and it isn’t specifically against the law (most game wardens and rural sheriffs have no issue with feral cat control) I have stepped up to the plate. I kill the ferals in the most humane way I can, and I usually bury them so as not to disturb the sensibilities of others.

    One of the biggest piles of ferals I ever participated in cleaning up, was in fact outside Lawrence, Kansas, where two individuals misguidedly and indiscriminately fed them. One was a crazy old fat woman and the other was an individual I won’t name who we have discussed before, one of the more famous individuals in that town before his passing several years ago.

  118. @Anon
    I always thought that Bill Kristol looked a lot like Grimace from the McDonald's commercials. Take a look and let me know.

    Well, maybe a little. His mouth and nose seem a little wide for his face. But Grimace isn’t the first thing that comes to mind for me.

  119. @Anonymous
    Imposing financial sanctions to cancel bonds would be more challenging and significant than sanctioning a few individuals and a department over military purchases. You'd have to get the whole world in a financial embargo against China, and even then there'd be countries using various workarounds, like Europe is doing with Iran.

    Everyone is keen on continuing a game as long as they come out on top. Before Trump America was winning like Charlie Sheen. The Chinese are only keen on playing by the rules of international trade because China is gaining on the US under the current arrangements so fast that if the US does not take action it will become second banana. Therefore, it might well make strategic sense for Trump to do something that would hurt the US more than China in an absolute sense, but China more than the US in a relative sense. What matters is relative power.

    China might be thought to have a wedge on US policy, but in fact they are begining to realise they are inhibited from using their ownership of US debt by the threat of precipitating some kind of extreme action by Trump. Germany is a defence parasite and economic aggressor that the US is under no obligation to listen to about Iran. The Germans of Dusseldorf are not so stupid and know they need to continue doing business in the US, where the profits are.

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/finance/german-banks-trade-payments-sanctions-iran-968648
    October 2, 2018

    German banks pull plug on trade with Iran
    Despite Berlin’s pledge to keep the Iranian nuclear deal alive, German banks are so scared of breaching US sanctions that they are refusing to process payments from Iran

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Germany is a defence parasite and economic aggressor that the US is under no obligation to listen to about Iran.
     
    It's not clear who exactly is the parasite in this relationship. There's a reason Trump reacted so harshly to calls for a European army:

    https://nypost.com/2018/11/13/trump-attacks-macron-again-for-proposing-a-new-european-army/

    Europe defending itself means no US military presence enabling German/EU production subsidizing US consumption and military spending.
  120. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Everyone is keen on continuing a game as long as they come out on top. Before Trump America was winning like Charlie Sheen. The Chinese are only keen on playing by the rules of international trade because China is gaining on the US under the current arrangements so fast that if the US does not take action it will become second banana. Therefore, it might well make strategic sense for Trump to do something that would hurt the US more than China in an absolute sense, but China more than the US in a relative sense. What matters is relative power.

    China might be thought to have a wedge on US policy, but in fact they are begining to realise they are inhibited from using their ownership of US debt by the threat of precipitating some kind of extreme action by Trump. Germany is a defence parasite and economic aggressor that the US is under no obligation to listen to about Iran. The Germans of Dusseldorf are not so stupid and know they need to continue doing business in the US, where the profits are.

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/finance/german-banks-trade-payments-sanctions-iran-968648
    October 2, 2018

    German banks pull plug on trade with Iran
    Despite Berlin's pledge to keep the Iranian nuclear deal alive, German banks are so scared of breaching US sanctions that they are refusing to process payments from Iran
     

    Germany is a defence parasite and economic aggressor that the US is under no obligation to listen to about Iran.

    It’s not clear who exactly is the parasite in this relationship. There’s a reason Trump reacted so harshly to calls for a European army:

    https://nypost.com/2018/11/13/trump-attacks-macron-again-for-proposing-a-new-european-army/

    Europe defending itself means no US military presence enabling German/EU production subsidizing US consumption and military spending.

  121. @Anon
    OT: Word of Life Church in Houston is discovered to have 100 gambling machines in a secret room in its basement.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-gambling-room-discovered-inside-houston-church


    Since this sounds rather odd for a mainstream Protestant church, I looked it up. Yes, it's a black church.

    http://www.wordforlifec.org/

    Gives another meaning to the word 'Holy Roller.'

    Gives another meaning to the word ‘Holy Roller.’

    Let the good times roll.

    With homos now being LGBT, maybe blacks should be LGTR.

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