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Madame Defarge, Ravelry’s Executive VP for Inclusivity, Diversity, and Sensitivity, explained, “Off with their heads!”

From The Guardian:

‘White supremacy’: popular knitting website Ravelry bans support for Trump
Administrators take action to ensure site ‘is inclusive of all’

Stephanie Convery @gingerandhoney
Sun 23 Jun 2019

Ravelry is banning users from expressing support for the US president

One of the biggest knitting websites in the world, which claims to have more than 8 million members, has announced that it will ban users from expressing support for Donald Trump, saying that to do so constitutes “white supremacy”.

On Sunday, administrators for Ravelry, a site for knitters, crocheters, designers and anyone dabbling in the fibre arts, said that they were making any expression of support for Trump and his administration in forum posts, patterns, on their personal profile pages or elsewhere permanently off limits.

“We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy,” the site’s administrators said in a post.

The Trump ban comes only months after political upheaval gripped the knitting and crochet community around issues of racial and cultural insensitivity. That debate was sparked by popular knitwear designer and blogger Karen Templer, who wrote in January about a planned trip to India, likening it, in her excitement, to visiting Mars. Many in the craft community objected to the characterisation, calling it othering and reductive.

Templer apologised soon afterwards, but the incident had a ripple effect, sparking off conversations about diversity and inclusivity in the craft community on Instagram, Ravelry and other places that crafters congregate online. A similar debate about cultural sensitivity and appropriation recently occurred in the sewing community.

 
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  1. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘political upheaval gripped the knitting and crochet community

    The sentence I never thought I’d have to read.

    • LOL: Cortes
    • Replies: @Escher
  2. dr kill says:

    The single rib stitch is formed by alternating Trump and Pence stitches to the end of each row, and creates a fabric which is stretchy and textured. You will see it in knitting patterns as T1, P1 (Trump one, Pence one), or often if the rib is 2 stitches wide, T2, P2.Apr 9, 2019

    Boy O Boy, wait till the 4chan guys see this.

    • Replies: @jJay
    , @stillCARealist
  3. Look at who runs the joint. I would have thought it was women at or nearing my 90-year old mother’s age. It’s uhhhhhh……not.

    I tried signing up for an account to see the bios…..

    “registration is closed temporarily
    registration will be open again in a few days”

    So THIS is where all the Pink Pussy Hats came from!

    https://www.ravelry.com/about

  4. Anon7 says:

    “Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy.”

    Well, finally it’s out in the open! Rather than telling these persons to stick to their own knitting, I’m glad they came right out and said what was on the mind of every liberal, every progressive, every television personality and every celebrity.

    So, no, Ravelry, support for the President is not support for white supremacy. Let’s discuss.

    Oh wait, we can’t! What you’re doing is called censorship! That’s bad, right?

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  5. guest says:

    Who dares deny the undeniable?

    We did a focus group, and they were most scared by the phrase “white supremacy.” Therefore, we associated it with Trump and gave that as our excuse for a ban spree.

    If Trump had never run for president, of course he wouldn’t be a white supremacist. Just a guy who’s friends with Lil’ John and Grimace.

  6. Anon7 says:

    OT: When more women are given the chance to break the glass ceiling, they’ll show men how to behave! The world will become a paradise, finally.

    Except when they’re arrested for fraud. This should whet the appetites of Elizabeth Holmes’ many fans here at iSteve.

    Ex-chair of FCC broadband committee gets five years in prison for fraud

    Elizabeth Ann Pierce was CEO of Quintillion, an Alaskan telecom company, when she lied to two investment firms in New York in order to raise $270 million to build a fiber network. She also defrauded two individual investors out of $365,000 and used a large chunk of that money for personal expenses.

    Pierce, 55, pleaded guilty and last week was given the five-year prison sentence in US District Court for the Southern District of New York.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  7. The better genealogical boards I’ve used discourage off-topic posts, most especially political ones. Like the pub rules in Britain that ban discussion of politics and religion lest it get out of hand. (That explains why the World Book of Records is the product of a brewer– you have to argue about something in a bar.)

    So banning political support posts is good practice. Banning a specific politician is not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  8. Kronos says:

    The DSM 6 needs to make “Trump Derangement Syndrome” a real mental disorder. The only historical period that matches this hysteria was the election of a renaissance Pope that many viewed was the Anti-Christ.

  9. guest says:

    I tried to warn a Quilt Person about social justice once. You know the type. Not only did she quilt, she read novels about quilting. Or centered around quilting. They could have secretly been quilt erotica for all I know.

    Because any branch of culture with ties to the past not explicitly excluding whites is fair game. Square dancing has been attacked. That partly with justification in the eyes of the Vandals because racist white racists backed by Henry Ford, I think, deliberately set out to preserve white musical culture. But we all know SJWs needed no such excuse.

    Periodically there are semi-official car shows down one of the main drags in my town. Men gather to drink and show off the classics they’ve restored. Many of them dressed like greasers from the 50s and early-60s. Can’t imagine that sort of thing is long for the world.

    Christmas movies on the Hallmark cable channel must be on thin ice.

    I don’t need to mention milk, big winter socks, chalk, powerlifting, sunglasses, and blank white paper.

  10. IHTG says:

    This also happened on tabletop roleplaying site rpg.net a while back.

  11. @Fred C Dobbs

    I think you could have a lot of fun pranking that forum.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @Liza
  12. Daniel H says:

    >> Many in the craft community objected to the characterisation, calling it othering and reductive.

    Ha, ha. Othering. I love it.

    Newspeak can be creative.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  13. lhtness says:

    This is the PC version of the “Inclusion–exclusion principle”.

  14. Old Prude says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Mrs. Prude knits and spins and weaves, so I have heard of this site. Her knitting friends showed up with safety pins and pussy hats early 2017, bleating like a flock of (white) sheep.

  15. Hey I have been to the UK and I found life there akin to living on Mars. The environment was so disarmingly peaceful. I experienced that sensation nearly the second I stepped off the aircraft.

    It was a very foreign sense to the constant tension i experienced living in the US.

    It took work to keep my bitterness aflame.

    Laughing

    Given that it is strange that anyone would not immediately grasp the contrasts between visiting India for the first time, verses living in the UK . Though I suspect the comparison would best be described as Earth and Pluto. Laugh and Indians of all people would be quite comfortable with other worldly comparisons.

  16. @guest

    Be careful guest. Those SJW quilters are almost always armed with sharp, pointy weapons, disguised as “knitting needles” — they will turn on you like a tourist in the left-hand lane of your municipality during rush hour.

    Be safe – the SJW are a violent lot, and the SJW quilters will draw and quarter you on a whim.

  17. @guest

    Periodically there are semi-official car shows down one of the main drags in my town. Men gather to drink and show off the classics they’ve restored. Many of them dressed like greasers from the 50s and early-60s. Can’t imagine that sort of thing is long for the world.

    Fear not, our Japanese bros have got this:

  18. Anon[744] • Disclaimer says:

    Quillette has been on top of the woke knitting story from the beginning:

    On the initial “a trip to India is like getting a seat on a rocket to Mars” kerfluffle:
    https://quillette.com/2019/02/17/a-witch-hunt-on-instagram/

    On the “white silence” kerfluffle:
    https://quillette.com/2019/06/07/instagrams-diversity-wars-revisited/

    Recommended 19-minute podcast by the Quillette writer:
    https://quillette.com/2019/06/14/quillette-podcast-37-kathrine-jebsen-moore-on-how-knitting-was-captured-by-the-social-justice-cult/

    My previous comment here on the “yet another woke and wigged-out Korean-American chick” angle:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/nation-open-borders-must-be-part-of-any-response-to-the-climate-crisis/#comment-3258405

    With respect to Ravelry, it’s a 12-year-old husband (coder) and wife (former knitting blogger) self-funded Boston LLC, no venture funding. Their funding is from crowdfunding, some ads, some merch, and a margin on PDF knitting patterns sold. They are undoubtedly reacting from a place of fear. Read the Quillette pieces if you doubt that these protestors can instill fear in a business. This small hand-to-mouth business could be shut down over something like this.

    You might think, Why is politics being discussed in a knitting forum? Isn’t this a solved problem? Other special interest forums ban off-topic discusssions or relegate them to a water-cooler section of the forum. But, again, read the Quillette articles. This woke stuff is an evolved strategy that makes such practices obsolete. It defines knitting in power struggle terms and each and every participant must come out and explicitly confess her sins and pay her obeissance to the woke god. For Revelry to just ignore things or cut off woke discusssions would create the hydrogen bomb of Twitter outrages.

    Personally I think that 99 percent of knitters don’t give much of a crap about this stuff. I think that banning politics, banning troublemakers, and ignoring Twitter, and having the courage to do that for months on end, would work. But I can see it from the viewpoint of Revelry: It must be very scary. And the Revelry membership base is in fact composed of relatively young knitters, who are, ahem, college educated young women with grievance studies credits on their transcripts. So who knows? But worst-case scenario is that someone clones Revelry and you have a woke site and a non-woke site, going head to head. That would be fun to watch.

  19. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fred C Dobbs

    The homosexuals ?

  20. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    All is political.

    – Lenin

    • Replies: @SFG
  21. @Fred C Dobbs

    They made sure the eight black members were in the front row.

    • LOL: DCThrowback
    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    , @Lurker
  22. “Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy”

    LOL. I wish!

    Apparently what constitutes “white supremacy” now is wanting to drown white America with mass immigration “in the largest numbers ever” just …. legally.

    Love to see what hysteria induced names they’d have for someone like me who wants an immigration moratorium and deportation of all illegals and any immigrant unfit for America. Nazi? Satan?

    I’m i’m just a garden variety–peoples’ nations belong to them, should be run by and for themselves and foreigners out–nationalist, who are ubiquitous and were thick on the ground, and celebrated during the post-War decolonization. What would they make of any actual “white supremacist”? There are no words.

  23. According to Project Veritas, Google plans to institute the same policy before next year’s election.

  24. jcd1974 says:

    That debate was sparked by popular knitwear designer and blogger Karen Templer, who wrote in January about a planned trip to India, likening it, in her excitement, to visiting Mars. Many in the craft community objected to the characterisation, calling it othering and reductive.

    The “many” who objected were Indians who fled the giant shit hole known as India for a better life in the West, who nonetheless are still offended should a white tourist refer to it as “exotic”.

    • Replies: @Federalist
  25. Mr. Blank says:

    It’s like the Clown World version of Conquest’s Second Law.

  26. J.Ross says:

    In case this was a mystery to anyone, a study has confirmed that part of the Western fertility crisis is due to fast food.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/24/mens-fertility-irreversibly-damaged-age-18-thanks-western-junk/
    One word: herring.

  27. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:

    Knitwits

  28. @Anon

    No, that’s close to the best case scenario. How can one not notice that no viable competitors to these woke institutions has arisen in any walk of life?

    Isn’t that odd? Ominous?

  29. istevefan says:

    Of course this sounds ridiculous. But honestly I have to hand it to the other side. They seem to want it more than our side. They have set an example that we should emulate.

    Whether it comes to turning out protestors, or shunning those with whom they disagree, the other side can be counted on to fight to win.

    I wish we would do the same. We could boycott or exclude individuals, groups or corporations who support anti-White policies. Check that. We should, not could. In fact people with our views probably constitute at least a fifth of the economy which would equate to about $4 trillion per year, which would put us on par with Germany.

    I know people on our side are not into active protesting. Most have jobs and can’t take off work. Additionally we know the cops will just stand by as antifa takes cheap shots and walk away scot-free. But using our economic might is a passive form of protest. No one knows you are doing it. You simply refrain from patronizing those who promote our demise. Starve the beast.

  30. Ibound1 says:

    “White Supremacy”, racism, fascism all mean one thing: they mean you do not agree that this country and the world should be run according to the hormonal whims of hysteric harpies.

  31. Ravelry, eh?

    By any chance… do they knit Bolero ties?

    • LOL: Old Prude
  32. Their major premise – that support for Trump can only be explained by support for White Supremacy – is brazen bigotry and defamation in its own right.

    Who do they think they are, Justice Kennedy?

  33. I’d make some semi-snarky comment about women and hysteria. But in these last few years the diversity/minoritarian left is so looney across the board–men as well as women–things like this are less telling.

    Still … it’s true.

    We really need much smaller polities. It would be great to have an experiment to hack the US into separate nations one a matriarchy with only women voting, another a patriarchy with only men vote –could include the current mixed system as a control as well–and watch what happens.

    I think it would be telling. The patriarchy, i believe, would start to right itself almost immediately. And over/under on mean time to complete tits-up failure of matriarchy?

  34. @istevefan

    The other side doesn’t have to secure childcare while being told something is wrong with them for occasionally securing it. The other side also doesn’t mind getting jobs that allow you to protest and get paid (and hand out course credit for getting the children of your political enemies to participate too).

  35. Next thing you know, they will be going after creative yard work.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @teo toon
  36. J.Ross says:
    @AnotherDad

    This is only the silliest iteration of what is clearly the Plan since 2016: declare Trump supporters to be racists as you demand that racists be silenced or expelled. It just so happens that this effectively eliminates political freedom. It should be called out as a dishonest packaging of censorship, at the same time that Google is finally brought under US law. Trump has sent little tiny signals that he gets what’s going on but he hasn’t — and more importantly, his staff hasn’t — done anything solid.

    I’m still getting those stupid GOP issue surveys that barely mention any important issues. The surveys are really donation slips. On a survey where I demanded to know Mike Pompeo’s response to more farm murders and promised farm seizures in South Africa, I donated $1.
    I thought money would get it into a better pile. They followed it up with largely the same survey/donation form. But dig: Question 3 asks if the reader supports capitalism or socialism (what GOP survey writer isn’t presupposing capitalism and asking how alarmed folks are by cultmarx and the new acceptability of overt communism?) — and then it offers the options YES — NO — NO OPINION.
    I wrote, “bad intern, no donation.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  37. Whiskey says: • Website

    The natural inclination of White women is to pussy hat crackpottery. It’s just the way White women are. They’ve always been this way. We are just seeing it with no illusions.

    White men are either the king of the hill or bottom of the heap. There is no middle ground. Our women for one will have it no other way.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    , @Anon
    , @Hypnotoad666
  38. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin

    and also the two “men”, both of portly comport

  39. Lurker says:

    Many in the craft community objected to the characterisation, calling it othering and reductive.

    So that would be about three of them then.

  40. SFG says:
    @IHTG

    Yeah, the SJWs got into nerd culture. Too many white males or something. Picked up a scifi anthology and half of ’em had some social-justice angle. I mean, social commentary was always a part of sci-fi (Asimov went on to describe ‘if this goes on’ as a genre), but it wasn’t quite so uniformly lefty as it is now.

    I always thought it was funny how that wasn’t cultural appropriation, since it was invented by white men (a few with parentheses) on the spectrum (before anyone called it that), and the LGBTQ-PC crowd came in later. But, you know, cultural appropriation for me, but not for thee.

    If anyone here is that nerdy, I think theRPGsite is supposed to be the un-PC successor.

    I have to say, much as I enjoy arguing politics, it’s a little depressing you have to pick a party before playing D&D now. A political party, I mean. I remember when ‘race and class’ meant ‘elvish wizard’ not…you know.

  41. jJay says:
    @dr kill

    At least you are trying weave some some connection between politics and knitting.

    Practicing good manners seems to have become more difficult. It’s easy to get along with a wide range of people if you just don’t talk about politics or religion while you are doing something else of common interest.

    Wouldn’t Ravelry be better off as a business if it just enforced posting rules that encouraged participants to stay on topic?

    I was sitting with the other parents at a LL baseball game a few weeks ago. After the unnecessary National Anthem ritual one parent started off on how she had such mixed feeling about standing for it while Donald Trump was president. I live in a very progressive town that went 80% to 20% for Hillary. She made a safe political statement there. Even so, I could see the grimaces on the faces of the other parents. There were nods of agreement immediately followed by change-the-subject quips.
    “Anybody want something from the snack bar?”, “This umpire is OK, the last one had a wild strike zone.”

    • Replies: @bomag
  42. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

  43. SFG says:
    @Anon

    I used to wish there were more female nerds.

    Be careful what you wish for, as they say…

  44. Lurker says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    You beat me to it!

    It’s so transparent – that the diversity has some how ended up at the front.

  45. Escher says:
    @Anonymous

    ‘political upheaval gripped the knitting and crochet community’

    The only upheaval I feel is in my stomach, as I see (Western) humanity accelerating its death spiral.

    Exclusion is inclusion.
    Conformity is diversity.
    Big sister is watching you.
    Welcome to 1984.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  46. hmmm says:

    When the U.S. goes to war with Iran, will the troops be fighting to protect the racist knitters or the woke knitters?

  47. SFG says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, and look what happened to his country after he got in charge.

  48. JimB says:

    Fuck Ravelry! Its members are dilettante crafties, most of whom know only how to knit a pussy hat.

    The serious knitters and seamstresses belong to conservative communities living mostly off the grid (including the Amish, who voted overwhelmingly for Trump). I frequently buy high quality clothing from self sufficient families. You name it, they make it to spec. And you can feel good about supporting conservative Americans instead of left wing globalist sweatshop owners.

    • Replies: @Umm Skippy
  49. Bubba says:
    @Anonymous

    Lunatic trigger warning….

    • Replies: @Lurker
  50. Crafters tend to be wealthy. Yarn is expensive. As it is, a bunch of rich liberal, mainly white, women knitters are watching their grievance status slip. Apparently the darken woke are noticing the white lefty girls are extremely privileged. So low and behold, we now have white supremacist knitting. The black reparationists just have to be impressed, don’t they? Personally, I think I should get my yarn stash out of storage. Do I go for a KKK hoodie, penis pillow case, a Hitler sweater, or a yarmulke?

  51. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:

    Ravelry is being a bunch of bigots. If they banned all political talk of whatever kind, they could claim to be even-handed. But they just banned conservatives. I’m willing to bet the pussy hat phenomenon started on Ravelry, and they promoted it hard right before the big march.

    I’m also willing to bet that they’re getting funding from Soros or some other crazy libtard, and the intent is to subvert women with conservative values and try to make them into people who will vote liberal. It’s the sort of organization some crazy liberal would target with the notion, now how can we subvert the other side? I know! Their good-hearted conservative women. They’re more vulnerable than their men, and once we’ve got our claws into them, they can talk their men into thinking the Libtard Way.

    Libtards think about subverting conservatives exactly like gangs of Muslim men think about grooming young white girls for sex. They realize that if you wait until your victims are old enough to think for themselves and their notions have become hardened, it’s too late.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  52. It was amusing in the Scandinavia of 35 years ago to see the same girls knitting and smoking. Not at the same time, of course.

    Back home, it was rare to see any doing either.

    But the retail price of those sweaters made the effort worthwhile. Also, a traditional way of letting a bit know you were serious about him was to knit him one of his own.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  53. Bubba says:
    @Anonymous

    Illegals aliens refusing to build beds for illegal aliens.

    Send them all back and the problem is solved.

  54. @IHTG

    Hey nerd, did you prefer V:TM (Gangrel Antitribu following Harmony) W:TA (Uktena Homid Theurge) or C:TD (Unseelie Eshu), ya big geek?

    • Replies: @SFG
  55. You think voting in your Senpai is going to change where this country is heading?

    As someone told Michael Tracey: the bill is due on 60 years of burying the underlying tensions in this country.

  56. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Wayfair employees are planning to walk out on Wednesday to protest its sale of $200,000 worth of bedroom furniture to a government contractor that operates a network of shelters for migrant children https://t.co/Tc11iXmz5E

    — The New York Times (@nytimes) June 26, 2019

    Bravo for those Wayfair employees! They are demonstrating their compassion for poor immigrant children by…………….making them sleep on the cold, hard concrete floor.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  57. Bubba says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Now even Yankee Stadium’s Monument Park has a plaque dedicated to the Stonewall protest (50 years ago today). I’m sure George Steinbrenner is rolling in his grave over this. But I wonder if any of the Stonewall protesters were sweater knitters? If so, I imagine at least one would have produced something like this to show interest in his next male conquest… Not a macho gay thing, but I could see the Village People adding a knitter now…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  58. Mr. Anon says:
    @J.Ross

    Trump has sent little tiny signals that he gets what’s going on but he hasn’t — and more importantly, his staff hasn’t — done anything solid.

    He’s too busy engaging in a flame war with Iran because President Rouhani called him a retard.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  59. Kylie says:
    @istevefan

    “….using our economic might is a passive form of protest. No one knows you are doing it. You simply refrain from patronizing those who promote our demise. Starve the beast.”

    I’ve been doing this for years. I cancelled cable on 2010. I got rid of any left-leaning friends, books, CDs and DVDs. (One example: another otherwise good romantic suspense novel had 2 housekeepers. The sneaky, shifty one was white, the honorable hard-working one was black. Right.) I literally do not buy into that crap. I stopped donating to charities benefitting humans. I ceased being an organ donor. It feels good to know I’m doing as little as is legally possible to benefit the left and their pets.

  60. Mr. Anon says:

    If you ask me, Ravelry has got some explaining to do:

    https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/noose-scarf

    A noose-scarf? That sounds rather……….White Supremecist, doesn’t it?

  61. Carol says:
    @guest

    Bluegrass, Americana, “roots” music festivals. White AF, older fans assume the players are rustic conservatives but most are Pete Seeger-type commies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @guest
  62. J.Ross says:
    @Kylie

    And they’re objectively inferior products. If you look at material from years ago it’s far better in part because they can’t just dismiss their own audience. The Avengers episode where they save an unnamed prime minister belonging to an unspecified party (“What makes you think I voted for him?”) is a work of genius unreachably beyond Stephen Colbert’s Pavlovian namecalling.

  63. @IHTG

    I actually have a Ravelry account. They specifically cite RPG.net in their new policy.

    New policy, effective immediately

    We are banning support of Donald Trump and his administration on Ravelry. We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is unambiguously support for white supremacy. For more details, read this document: https://ravelry.com/content/no-trump

    New Policy: Do Not Post In Support of Trump or his Administration

    Sunday, June 23rd 2019

    We are banning support of Donald Trump and his administration on Ravelry.

    This includes support in the form of forum posts, projects, patterns, profiles, and all other content. Note that your project data will never be deleted. We will never delete your Ravelry project data for any reason and if a project needs to be removed from the site, we will make sure that you have access to your data. If you are permanently banned from Ravelry, you will still be able to access any patterns that you purchased. Also, we will make sure that you receive a copy of your data.

    We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy.

    Policy notes:

    You can still participate if you do in fact support the administration, you just can’t talk about it here.
    We are not endorsing the Democrats nor banning Republicans.
    We are definitely not banning conservative politics. Hate groups and intolerance are different from other types of political positions.
    We are not banning people for past support.
    Do not try to weaponize this policy by entrapping people who do support the Trump administration into voicing their support.
    Similarly, antagonizing conservative members for their unstated positions is not acceptable.

    You can help by flagging any of the following items if they constitute support for Trump or his administration:

    Projects: Unacceptable projects will be provided to the member or made invisible to others.
    Patterns: Unacceptable patterns will be returned to drafts.
    Forum posts: right now, only posts written after Sunday, June 23rd at 8 AM Eastern
    Profiles: Unacceptable avatars or profile text will be removed.

    Much of this policy was first written by a roleplaying game site, not unlike Ravelry but for RPGs, named RPG.net. We thank them for their thoughtful work. For citations/references, see this post on RPG.net: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-post-in-support-of-trump-or-his-administration.835849/

    The site was founded in 2007 by a husband/wife team living in the Boston area. She is the knitting half, he is the coding half. Currently the site’s usual yarn ball logo is replaced with a rainbow flag. I will note that in the wife’s showcase of knitting projects on the site, she shares photos of both her young daughter in a pussy hat and of colorwork mitts reading “resistance is NOT futile” with the raised fist and Venus symbols knitted in… So I guess the Madame Defarge reference is not entirely misplaced.

  64. Lurker says:
    @Bubba

    Look at the style of her tweet. So now we know – TD is AOC.

  65. @AnotherDad

    That’s one of the fun things about traumatizing them. First, it’s so easy and second, after they’ve called you “Racist!” and “Nazi!” they have absolutely nothing left. So they go into cardiac arrest (or at least a fainting spell) and all is well with the world once again.

  66. @istevefan

    We could boycott or exclude individuals, groups or corporations who support anti-White policies. Check that. We should, not could.

    Great plan, except for one little fly in the ointment: that’s every company and institution of any size in the country. If they don’t support anti-white policies they are shut down by the mob. That said, I boycott every one I can.

  67. @Daniel H

    Yeah, that’s the word my young SJW relation used to explain why she wouldn’t see that Wes Anderson dog movie: it was “othering” of somebody or other, maybe the Japanese.

    Yes, she is just as much fun as she sounds like.

    Of course the flaw with pretty well all SJW concepts is that they are self-refuting on some level. “Othering” is itself othering, by declaring certain POVs to be too other.

  68. As much as I think Mrs. Templar had no intentions of causing this knotty problem in the close-knit Ravelry community, she’d have been better advised to have just gone on a road trip to see the world’s biggest ball of yarn out in Cawker City, Kansas*. You know that’s what she’d really had her heart set on anyway – India was only for the open-air-toilet-tourism.

    .

    * No, for all you knit-pickers, the biggest ball of yarn is NOT in Rockford, Illinois anymore. That one was unravelled by an F-4 tornado, and I knit you knot about this!

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Olorin
  69. SFG says:
    @Kylie

    I’ve avoided movies I felt were excessively ‘woke’ (Phantom Thread, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, the Ghostbusters reboot). I’ve supported right-wing authors like Larry Correia and Michel Houellebecq (though I still can’t get myself to read Vox Day’s stuff), and will buy very lefty authors secondhand (though you’re still giving money to their lefty fans). I switched to Schick after the Gillette commercial. 😉

    You can donate to charities that favor right-wing causes (pro-life or Christian groups) or beneficiaries (veterans’ groups come to mind), and I’ve given money to the Prostate Cancer Foundation and Movember Foundation as an MRA thing.

    I don’t engage in political purges of my friends, though–too many lefties, and I honestly think there are more important things in life than politics. Nothing wrong with maintaining a sphere outside politics.

    Organ donor, though; how is that political? Nobody asks the recipient’s political views…yet…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  70. eah says:

    …saying that to do so constitutes “white supremacy”.

    https://www.ravelry.com/about — everyone listed and pictured on their ‘About’ page is white — zero ‘diversity’.

  71. Dalrymple just reference Mme. Defarge a few days ago!

    Coincidence? LOL

    Worth a read. Teddy is always excellent. Some guys strike out every so often. Not Dalrymple. He’s like speed on the basepaths——never has a slump!

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-bland-leading-the-bland/

  72. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG

    For years like everyone else I gave my old clothes away to the various charities, but I found that 90+ percent of these donations are resold in bulk to private companies that sell them to piss poor indigenos for surprisingly high prices, undercutting their traditional weaving, spinning, et al.

    Now, I burn them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  73. MBlanc46 says:
    @Fred C Dobbs

    The few people that I know who do needlework and quilting are all Leftists, and pretty vocal ones at that.

  74. MBlanc46 says:
    @istevefan

    I’m sure no t going to buy any more Gillette products.

  75. MBlanc46 says:
    @Whiskey

    Alas, too many white men can’t, or won’t, see that that’s simply the way that women are wired.

  76. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    After seeing enough of the American underclass, I no longer donate clothes to Goodwill, either. I don’t want them going to a drug-addled mother of 6 kids on welfare, or some immigrant who wants to take my job.

  77. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey

    Unfortunately, much of this is true. I still remember the time my hardcore atheist mother got into collecting angel nicknacks when it was a fad back in the 80-90s or whenever it was, and she literally did not believe in any type of religion or afterlife then or now. It was stupid beyond belief. But it was a fad all her friends were doing, so she did it to be one of the crowd. Of course she dropped it once her gal pals moved onto another moronic kick. I also had to talk her out of joining the kombucha tea fad when one of her friends got into raising ‘mushroom tea’. I had to point out the stuff can damage your liver. She also went through the buying preppie clothing phase because everyone she knew was doing it.

    I no longer wonder how the patent medicine salesman managed to earn a living in the 1800s. Some people are just gullible.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  78. @Bubba

    Now even Yankee Stadium’s Monument Park has a plaque dedicated to the Stonewall protest (50 years ago today).

    It’s not the same Yankee Stadium today. Literally.

    Some of the Stonewall rioters would be in their mid-sixties in 2019. One of the problems the police were dealing with was their serving minors, i.e., under 18.

    In addition to the licensing, health-code violations, back taxes owed…

    Add to that now the microaggression of a bar with Gen Jackson’s name.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  79. @Clifford Brown

    A chain-link fence is more of a threat to property values than a garden fylfot.

  80. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carol

    Real hillbillies prefer hard rock or the most commercial country available, older ones still have Porter Wagoner records. Americana is the stuff of lefties and hipsters, since the old line folk music has become so blatantly identified as out and out communist.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  81. An old man I knew told me that women liked knitting in groups as it gave them something to think about while they talked.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  82. guest says:
    @Carol

    Yeah, that was the case in the 60s with folk music enthusiasts, too.

    Funny thing, while folkies were extolling the virtues of universal brotherhood and enjoying music derived from Europe, unreconstructed white racists listened to country music, which derives largely from the blues.

  83. @Anon7

    Fake it ’til you make it. Or, until you go to prison. Whichever comes first.

  84. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    What comes after “Clown World”? This is becoming an existential question.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  85. @Whiskey

    Women tend to avoid open conflict and seek validation through consensus instead. As a result all female-dominated organization have a strong tendency toward GroupThink.

    In addition, these organizations will inevitably be run by their most assertive, high testosterone members, usually Jewish lesbians or angry 300 lb. Black women.

    Any women who don’t like it will just talk behind their backs and passively undermine their leadership. And then eventually quit the organization.

    If you don’t like these facts don’t blame me, it’s just science.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  86. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie

    I approve.

    This thought pattern reminds me of early Tyler Durden.

    Next thing you know, its F**** C***.

  87. El Dato says:

    Templer apologised soon afterwards, but the incident had a ripple effect, sparking off conversations about diversity and inclusivity in the craft community on Instagram, Ravelry and other places that crafters congregate online. A similar debate about cultural sensitivity and appropriation recently occurred in the sewing community.

    I have rarely seen so much “inclusiveness” keywords crammed together.

    I wonder how much AI writing goes into these articles, maybe with the light touch of an intern.

    talktotransformer.com completes the above:

    The story of the Sew Your Own Knit scarf, the one that sparked the “Not My Knitting Christmas” controversy, is quite similar. That and the fact that one of the designers is making a scarf inspired by this case are enough to get people thinking about the fact that the design that sparked the conversation might be too “toxic” on many levels. I don’t mean toxic as in something bad – I mean it’s offensive to women and minority groups. Or they might read that story and think that everyone does.

    The time when awkward conversations about triggering subjects can be had with AIs is hopefully near.

  88. Kronos says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    But whose going to win the future civil war between Lesbians and Trannies? This war will define the 21st century!

  89. Talk about coming unravelled.

  90. @Anon

    The conclusion I came to after reading just part of all that: Women should not have been given the right to vote. Never have I see such pointless melodrama, accusations, needless apologies, and hang-wringing over a made-up crisis. It’s like a soap opera, which is generally the way things get when women enter the picture. If the future of the country is female, we’re truly doomed.

  91. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    AOC (I’m always think “America Online Corporation”) visibly suffering in front of the camps. Is it the roaring, blazing smokestacks of the crematoria that do it?

  92. @JimB

    I thought the Amish did not vote?

    • Replies: @JimB
  93. Liza says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I’m a member of Ravelry and belong to a few groups there. I would say that lesbians seem to be over-represented.

    While I am not a fan of Trump, this news pisses me off. Political comments are not banned if they are suitably liberal. I don’t want to go back there. Some of the comments in the groups sound as if they come from a home for the criminally insane or, at best, halfwits.

    I prefer to hang around knittingparadise.com. There’s thousands of members there and some fighting between the women (you can even put your enemies on ignore; I mean how fkg childish can you get…)

    There’s a few male members who knit magnificently. And some just help their knitting wives:

    https://www.knittingparadise.com/t-612710-1.html

    Look at the screen. LOL!

  94. @El Dato

    That lipstick conveys the grief and gravitas of Simone Weil herself.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  95. El Dato says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    > Alsatian Jew
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil#Political_activism
    > Debates Trotsky
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil#Encounter_with_mysticism
    > The mathematician André Weil was her brother.

    I’m impressed. AOC doesn’t even orbit in the same solar system.

  96. RobUK says:

    I thought Gamergate was a classic illustration of the Totalitarianism of “social justice”, but Knittinggate is absolutely classic. There is literally no area of life they do not want to dominate.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  97. SFG says:
    @Jack Hanson

    M:TA (Traditions: Sons of Ether). Now back on your fainting couch.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  98. SFG says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    At least it’s a deeply Midwestern way to die.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  99. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    But worst-case scenario is that someone clones Revelry and you have a woke site and a non-woke site, going head to head. That would be fun to watch.

    One could make an Anime about that called “Knit or Die!”.

  100. dr kill says:
    @Fred C Dobbs

    I’ve been waiting for a Pussy Hat Pattern to be flogged as Muslim-Safe, that is to say with the genital mutilation knitted in, or out or off, as it were.

    As a bonus, there are lots of Diversity Points to be had by producing a hat that’s geographically and ethnically correct. And by referencing the World Health Organization guidelines!

    The type of procedure performed also varies, mainly with ethnicity. Current estimates (from surveys of women older than 15 years old) indicate that around 90% of female genital mutilation cases include either Types I (mainly clitoridectomy), II (excision) or IV (“nicking” without flesh removed), and about 10% (over 8 million women) are Type III (infibulation). Infibulation, which is the most severe form of FGM, is mostly practiced in the north-eastern region of Africa: Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Sudan. In West-Africa (Guinea, Mali, Burkina Faso, etc.), the tendency is to remove flesh (clitoridectomy and/or excision) without sewing the labia minora and/or majora together.

    All good Proggies love them some UN.

  101. @SFG

    You’re alright old man. Ill keep you around after the purge so we have a solid group to play with when the electricity is down.

  102. Bubba says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In addition to the licensing, health-code violations, back taxes owed…

    Yes, my parents were friendly with a retired NYC cop who said he was involved in shutting it down that night. I remember him saying that place was quite a filthy and notorious den of iniquity for years from the very high number of assaults, overdoses, drugs dealing, men & teenagers who had gone missing (Stonewall was their last known location) – and these were the only ones he publicly talked about.

    And the poor General, his name associated with it is bad enough. But if there was a statue of him, I am sure the Mayor formerly known as Warren Wilhelm would have taken it down years ago.

  103. @jcd1974

    Agreed. The Indians should have taken it as a compliment that someone would actually want to go to India and then to compare India to Mars rather than the shit hole that it is.

  104. @El Dato

    Piss Earth

    https://theamericansun.com/2018/12/16/pissearth-2025/

    Alternatively clowns become the Comedian. Choose wisely!

  105. bomag says:
    @jJay

    Good point.

    But the problem arises when knitting groups et al feel/are compelled to start dabbling in the “diversity and inclusion” business. It’s then politics galore. At least the Soviets, Nazis, etc were upfront and put a political officer in every business and on every board; now we have this regulatory burden hovering over everyone with punishment randomly swooping in from afar to make you bake a cake, etc which in many ways is much worse.

  106. Clemsnman says:

    In order to include everybody we have to exclude some of you.

    We’re all equal, some are just more equal than others.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  107. @dr kill

    Very cute.

    “Hey, I think I just dropped a Pence stitch. I’ll have to go back and undo all my Trumps until I find the Pence.”

  108. JimB says:
    @Umm Skippy

    Approximately 15 % do, but they are highly representative of the non-voting community’s views.

  109. @Anon

    There are, unfortunately, a lot of woke SJW knitters. They’ve been giving male knitters hell for a couple of years. I’ve been accused several times of “cultural appropriation” because I’m a man who knits. This despite plenty of historical evidence that professional knitters were men — they even had a guild.

    A lot of my female friends who are on Ravelry are ecstatic about this decision — equating it with delivering the Trump administration a killing blow (as if!)

    I’m currently in the process of downloading my Ravelry pattern library & closing my account

  110. J.Ross says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Apparently today he has talked about it and Breitbart gave it a headline. This represents the maximum big name platform penetration of a major nightmare news story about our political system ending. If Russia ever really did want to “interfere” in our elections, this proves that we’d never know. But of course the question is, what will Trump do about it?

  111. J.Ross says:
    @RobUK

    The first unchoreographed sight I saw visiting China was an evening assembly of “line dancing grannies,” but after I left I came across a polished, carefully assembled “instruction sheet” with a hot male instructor, because Beijing stasis had lost their minds at the thought of anybody doing anything without government control, even if it’s old ladies gathering to do completely apolitical line-dancing.

  112. @Mr. Anon

    Bravo for Wayfair, indeed! Wow — I may replace those chaise longue cushions sooner than usual.

  113. @Hugh Mannity

    Dunno, male knitters strikes me as a bit problematic. At the very least, a male knitter should do his knitting on gasoline-powered industrial-grade knitting machines.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
  114. @AnotherDad

    It’s interesting that the term “white supremacy” peaked in the 1940s (according to the Google Ngram Viewer,
    https://tinyurl.com/yyezys8j).

  115. @Mr McKenna

    Follow Alinksy: pick one at random and destroy it/him/her.

  116. Olorin says:
    @Anon

    She certainly did a solid job of raising offspring disrespectful of its mother.

    You ought to be thankful she was moronic, stupid, gullible, and conformist enough not to leave you in a metal basin at the ob-gyn clinic.

  117. @Anon7

    Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy.”

    I’m alternately amused/exasperated by the notion that “white supremacy” requires support. Its like saying “support for the sun-rising-in-the-East supremacy”.

    Turning on a light switch, starting your car, raising or lowering the temperature in your home via thermostat – its all revealed preference of one’s “support for white supremacy”.

  118. Olorin says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I thought the biggest ball of yarn was in the Ripley’s Museum in Gatlinburg, TN?

    Or was that the largest hairball taken from the stomach of a cow (speaking of the Midwest)? I’m at the age where these things get all mixed up.

  119. Olorin says:

    I have been deputized to report that the love of my life went to Ravelry many years ago for about 20 minutes, didn’t go back, then got notified some years later they’d been hacked and their passwords/logins had been heisted. Oh gosh, we feel so dumb, tee hee.

    She pronounced the brief experience on the forums “20 minutes in the Snake Pit” (referring to the classic movie about the asylum).

    As I’ve noted in the past she gets needlework patterns via means such as decoding the sweater of the lady sitting in the pew in front of us at a funeral. She says that the classic patterns, methods, and such are all documented in books, most of them available online. Others are directly inherited, handed down person to person in family/community.

    She concluded that Ravelry is for people with no family/community with these traditional skills, and this is the substitute for both.

    I asked her what she thought about the whole “pussy hat” thing in January of ’17 and again when that yarn shop owner lady was getting attacked for publicly noting she would not stock pink yarn. (And the backlash that ensued.) I was eliciting comment on the female “resist” behavior.

    Instead, she replied without hesitation, “What crappy dumbed-down artifacts those are.” I must have blinked in surprise, for then she explained that the “hats” were a folded-over square such as any dolt could manufacture out of cheap yarns and kiddie-type tools.

    We later got back to the issue of women infuriated at the sight of the alpha male who lives rent-free in their sad, ungrabbed…um, minds.

    I’ve mentioned in the past that she went to one thing at the last local yarn shop X years ago and never went back. Seems all the ladies did was sit around talking about their favorite black Seattle NFL players while making crappy dumbed-down artifacts in purple and neon green yarn.

    A lot of the p-hats (as she calls them, or phats) make a big deal out of trying to “make a living” out of their crappy dumbed-down artifacts. They have to make it about politics, she says, because they suck as craftswomen.

    Which is another clue: the women who produce high quality patterns for sale–and Ravelry is the behemoth now–can be demonetarized for their political beliefs.

    In any case, “feminist knitters” do seem to think a lot about sex and body parts.

    https://www.alittleredhen.com/a_little_red_hen/applied-feminism/
    https://www.knitacondomamulet.com/
    https://knitting-feminist.blogspot.com/ (“I knit, I get outraged, I get outraged by things I knit…”)
    http://www.projgirlspire.com/knitting-is-not-domestic-its-feminist/
    https://plainsfeminist.blogspot.com/2009/01/im-still-here-just-tired-busy-and.html (“I had Hanukah and chemo to prepare for”)
    https://feministbookclub.wordpress.com/tag/feminist-knitting/ (“The needle stabs as it creates…”)
    https://claraundco.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/feminist-knitting-patterns/

    And many more like it.

    Many of these blogs are/were short-lived and most disappear around 2010 or 2011…when their creators migrated to Ravelry.

    “Snake pit” is apt tho.

    https://feministknitter.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/mental-exhaustion/

    I wonder what the overrepresentation of Jews is among these gals. Love of my life suggests it’s considerable, and that the “political” antipathy drummed up is something else entirely. The ugliness of this–and the desecration of the Norwegian sweater tradition–is…familiar somehow.

    • Agree: Liza
  120. @Hugh Mannity

    A lot of my female friends who are on Ravelry are ecstatic about this decision — equating it with delivering the Trump administration a killing blow (as if!)

    It ain’t nothin’. This sort of mindless herd of hate never bodes well.

  121. @Anonymous

    No, real hillbillies prefer Hank, jr., and III, Johnny Cash, Waylon, and anything in that line. Chris Stapleton does a decent job carrying that on.

  122. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon

    If they banned all political talk of whatever kind, they could claim to be even-handed.

    But the objective is not to ban politics. The objective is to make politics compulsory. If you want to join a knitting group you must agree to participate in approved political discussions. You must agree to loudly and vociferously express approved political views.

    This is the future. If you want to get a job, if you want to get housing, if you want to open a bank account, if you want to get a loan, if you want to get a driver’s licence, you will be able to do so as long as you agree to participate fully in the prescribed political activities.

    Of course you will be free to refuse to participate in these political struggle sessions, as long as you don’t mind living on the street and eating out of trash cans.

  123. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    Great plan, except for one little fly in the ointment: that’s every company and institution of any size in the country.

    All capital is Woke Capital. The entire corporate sector is Woke. All of it. Every single large corporation, and 99% of small companies.

    It’s almost as if this whole Woke thing were some kind of capitalist conspiracy. And they’re only pretending to be left-wing.

  124. Anonymous[281] • Disclaimer says:

    1. Anatomy of a knitting debate:

    https://thelumpysweater.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-anatomy-of-an-acrylic-debate/ (love the part where it segues into breastfeeding)

    2. I once trolled an embroidery forum of a GF of mine. Got them all debating the Danish style versus the kitschy American style.

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