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From the Washington Examiner:

9/11 mastermind: Al Qaeda favors ‘immigration’ to defeat USA

By PAUL BEDARD (@SECRETSBEDARD) • 11/23/16 10:10 AM

The jailed architect of 9/11 [Khalid Sheikh Mohammed] revealed that al Qaeda’s plan to kill the United States was not through military attacks but immigration and “outbreeding nonmuslims” who would use the legal system to install Sharia law, according to a blockbuster new book. …

In Enhanced Interrogation, CIA contractor James Mitchell tells for the first time about his role interrogating al Qaeda principles, many like KSM still jailed at Guantanamo Bay. …

Snippets obtained by Secrets from the book set for release next Tuesday from Crown Forum show that Muslim terror groups had a much bigger plan to crush America than just through attacks like 9/11.

Instead, the plan is to fill the country with like-minded Muslims through the country’s easy immigration laws and by having babies, and then using the U.S. legal and welfare system to turn the country into a system like Iran.

Consider this passage in the book, Enhanced Interrogation: Inside the Minds and Motives of the Islamic Terrorists Trying to Destroy America, where KSM reveals the plan to Mitchell:

“It would be nice,” he said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; “not practical” is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn’t going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the “practical” way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America’s rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

“Eventually,” KSM said, “America will expose her neck to us for slaughter.”

Of course, it’s not real clear how much you can trust what people tell you after you’ve been waterboarding them.

And KSM may have an exaggerated sense of the generosity of American welfare systems relative to Western European welfare.

 
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  1. Pat Casey says:

    Sorry this bugged me bad so I had to back up.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/trumps-victory-as-reaction-to-the-white-death/#new_comments

    So what the data nerds found for the Economist seemed like a pretty brilliant find, but inferred one total flaw. To rehash, the argument is that the voters who voted for Trump more than Romney the most, and in that respect won Trump the election — strictly speaking, The Trump Voters— these folks turn out to be indicated as a whole most of all by badly taking care of themselves fundamentally. They are identified by county, so that the less healthy the county is on average, the more that county voted for Trump than Romney, the less for Trump the more healthy the county. BUT SEE NOW, the data nerds say what the logic would not seem to allow, namely the precise improvement in public health by which Trump would have lost to Hillary.

    According to our model, if diabetes were just 7% less prevalent in Michigan, Mr Trump would have gained 0.3 fewer percentage points there, enough to swing the state back to the Democrats. Similarly, if an additional 8% of people in Pennsylvania engaged in regular physical activity, and heavy drinking in Wisconsin were 5% lower, Mrs Clinton would be set to enter the White House. But such counter-factual predictions are always impossible to test. There is no way to rerun the election with healthier voters and compare the results.

    I don’t think the rules should allow that model to be used. But the last person on ISteve who should make this point might be me, but since no one else did I felt compelled, otherwise my dumb opinion is all models are wrong.

    The problem is not that the counterfactuals are pure fanciful speculation. The problem is that posing those counterfactual is a deal breaker I think we should. The causal relationship between the public health of a county and Trumps share of its vote is as we know only a limited explanation of a pattern that appears next to Romney’s vote share and therefore does not apply to Hillary’s vote share at all. In other words, the assumption of the model is not that Trump beat Hillary just the way he did because of the way Romney lost to Obama; the assumption was constricted to saying that the county by county difference between Romney and Trump can best be accounted for by the public health statistics of the given county. That’s one interesting way of understanding why Trump won and Romney did not. But its not a way designed to understand why Hillary lost at all. No deal was made between her and the public health statistics. Anyways what those statistics say about why Trump won when no one thought he would should probably be explored more.

    We all know this and thats why I had to say it.

    In other words, as I’ve pointed out before, Trump voters tended to be civic-minded individuals doing okay themselves, but concerned about the trouble in their overlooked communities.

    The Economist does a good job, the White Death was the necessary supplement, given the public health index does not include categories for suicide and drug addiction; if the figures were more recent than 2012 perhaps it would, 2011-2012 kinda seems to be when good state governments really got serious about prevention and monitoring the rates— the continuous rapid rise in drug deaths that I saw for example for Ohio are startling. The townhall back in February where Kasich hugged the kid who up and emoted he’d been messed up over a suicide close to him, well a couple months after that Kasich started a prevention program. The kid’s display was hard to watch it really was, and I think a moment like that has a queer effect on an average guy forever, which is why it might deserves to be said, that the kid really did sacrificed himself for the good thing that followed, and he probably doesn’t understand that at all. Now that I guess it can be said who most of all won it for Trump, there would seem to me to be mighty good reasons to stand on the fact that whites with no college were less decisive than the voters that likely are the least healthy. Probably he doesn’t, but Trump should take that fact to heart, if the mandate thing bothers him. Provided the data holds up, methinks what the turnout of those folks will really mean when the definitive story gets told approaches profound, but will need the hack’s prefab eloquence to unmake the premise about the mandate Trump missed, missed so that the hardknock folk could win the thing outnumbered.

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    if diabetes were just 7% less prevalent in Michigan, Mr Trump would have gained 0.3 fewer percentage points there...

    The implication here is that health stats deteriorated enough in the last four years to bring out suffering voters for Trump, and if the stats had stayed the same from four years ago, then Trump would have gotten the same support as Romney.

    There is also the "wake-up" effect, where health has been slowly declining for awhile, but this election the unhealthy woke up and decided to vote about it.
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  2. KSM says:

    Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant. This, together with a One State solution (annexation of the West Bank) and resulting Jim Crow measures will have far reaching consequences for the region and Western Europe. It is also important to recognize the social liberalism of the Likud Vegas -Macao Hollywood networks tied to the City of London and their consequential emasculation of the social right in America. The Macao casino boss Adelson failed twice to elect a President, but in Trump he finally attains victory. This will be seen as a historic milestone in the evolution of the United States multicultural democracy. And its not apparent that the so called altright will be pleased .

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Do you think the rate of assimilation would have improved with continued open borders and exposure to our pop culture?
    , @Jefferson
    "Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation"

    Because Muslims were assimilating so well before Donald Trump announced he was running for POTUS, the Muslims were the new Irish and Italians. Before Donald Trump announced he was running for POTUS Americans had an extremely hard time telling Muslim women apart from Irish & Italian women because they dress so similar to each other.
    , @prusmc
    If the macao casino barron was so influential why didn't he deliver Nevada.
    , @anon

    Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant.
     
    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.
    , @Lurker
    And what is Adelson supposed to have delivered to Trump exactly? Do we know that his donations were the deal breaker that pushed Trump over the winning line?
    , @biz

    Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity
     
    I know, right?

    Last year I was having a conversation with a Muslimah in anytown USA, where she told me that she was all set to wear mini-skirts and lipstick and concentrate on her career, maybe marrying in her late 30s, but then Trump announced his candidacy and like an uncontrollable force of nature she was compelled to decide to put that away, put on a burka, and be the obedient fourth wife of a part-time cab driver, pumping out at least 10 of his 40 kids.

    That Muslim assimilation was going so well before Trump and those Likudniks messed it all up!!

    I mean just look at the Banieulles, and those Buffalo bodega owners:

    https://youtu.be/bccQhZDpWrc

    Nothing says 'assimilating well' like food stamp fraud and shouting "Fuck America" while flipping off the camera.

  3. Jason Liu says:

    Europe might be the only civilization to be defeated by its own compassion

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    • Replies: @ussr andy

    Europe might be the only civilization to be defeated by its own compassion
     
    there is no compassion, ask Serbs.

    it's all engineered. The nature of the moral imperative (send "aid" to/accept "refugees" from) and which groups it extends to, everything is engineered. Which means it can be un-engineered the same way it was engineered.

    , @Anonymous
    Defeated by gullibility more like.
    , @anon
    Yes but it's manipulated compassion - currently the media show crying mothers and children which directs the altruistic punishment at people who don't want to help.

    If the media showed the girls raped by "refugees" instead of covering it up the "altruistic punishment" unleashed would burn all the way to the Indian border.

    So it's an odd trait.
    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    If any European nations die it will be the same way East Asian countries die, low birth rate. Immigration accelerates the process and makes it harder to reverse. Countries with a low birth rate will ultimately be conquered, one way or another.

    Here is a population calculator, with a birth rate of many Asian and European countries. Keep immigration at zero to see the future native population.

    http://ilkkah.com/population-calculator/#human_age=80&title=&birth_rate=1.45&birth_age=21&immigration=0&start_pop=958000&timespan=733&start_year=2013&pyramid=flat
  4. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    He said the terror attacks were good, but the “practical” way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims.

    If only there was someway to stop this, without restricting immigration, because we are a nation of immigrants and there is a plaque that says something about “huddled masses” on the statue of liberty. It would be a betrayal of our founding principles of religious toleration and pluralism to prevent Khalid and his friends from coming here and imposing Sharia.

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    • Replies: @GSR
    1) we are not a "nation of immigrants", 2) immigration is not one of our founding principles. Where do you get this garbage from? You've been mis-educated.

    The Statue of Liberty was given to the USA from France during 1876 centennial. It had nothing to do with immigration; it was a celebration of liberty. Only in the early 20th century, after some twenty years of mass immigration, did a Jewish poet write the words that were put on a plaque and attached to the SoL.
    , @bomag

    It would be a betrayal of our founding principles of religious toleration and pluralism to prevent Khalid and his friends from coming here and imposing Sharia.
     
    I fully expect Congress will soon mandate that new religions be created and new people selected and bred to replace the current ones.
    , @SMK
    I assume you're being satirical.
  5. whorefinder says: • Website

    The war of the cradle.

    It’s funny how the old Catholic Church’s rules about not using birth control and going forth and multiplying are still pretty good battle tactics even today. And sad the Church in America isn’t emphasizing these teachings anymore.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    The war of the cradle.

    Do you know what the origin of this phrase is? I'd like to know how far it goes back.
    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    Our modern society would rather women "lean in" and work 60 hour workweeks so they can live in overpriced apartments, date through Tinder, and spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments when they're in their late 30s.
    , @snorlax
    Only the Mexicans and maybe the Filipinos would listen nowadays.
    , @Ken
    It used to be a Jewish principle as well. All Prots were open to large families until Lambeth in 1930?
    Evangelicals and trad Catholics will repopulate while the mainline Prots and lib Catholics die off.
    , @Corvinus
    "It’s funny how the old Catholic Church’s rules about not using birth control and going forth and multiplying are still pretty good battle tactics even today. And sad the Church in America isn’t emphasizing these teachings anymore."

    Ironic that you make this statement, given your own penchant for "pumping and dumping" and not contributing to the vitality of the white race with your own progeny, compliments of a committed relationship. Sad, indeed, that you don't adhere to those beliefs, yet call others out for their own misdeeds.
  6. utu says:

    Anything about taking over convenience stores, gas stations and pizza places? Is it a part of the plan?

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    • Replies: @Wilhelmina
    Where I live it is the tobacco shops and taxi companies in addition to those businesses.
  7. Barnard says:
    @KSM
    Trump's election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant. This, together with a One State solution (annexation of the West Bank) and resulting Jim Crow measures will have far reaching consequences for the region and Western Europe. It is also important to recognize the social liberalism of the Likud Vegas -Macao Hollywood networks tied to the City of London and their consequential emasculation of the social right in America. The Macao casino boss Adelson failed twice to elect a President, but in Trump he finally attains victory. This will be seen as a historic milestone in the evolution of the United States multicultural democracy. And its not apparent that the so called altright will be pleased .

    Do you think the rate of assimilation would have improved with continued open borders and exposure to our pop culture?

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Do you think…
     
    The question is not "What does 'KSM' think?", but "Does KSM think?"

    Look at those initials again, and at the headline. He's not the Dutch airline.
  8. @whorefinder
    The war of the cradle.

    It's funny how the old Catholic Church's rules about not using birth control and going forth and multiplying are still pretty good battle tactics even today. And sad the Church in America isn't emphasizing these teachings anymore.

    The war of the cradle.

    Do you know what the origin of this phrase is? I’d like to know how far it goes back.

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    • Replies: @Harold
    The book From Chance to Choice: Genetics and Justice contains the line, ‘Theodore Roosevelt warned that a “war of the cradle” was being waged between better and inferior social groups.’ but gives no citation.
  9. Jefferson says:
    @KSM
    Trump's election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant. This, together with a One State solution (annexation of the West Bank) and resulting Jim Crow measures will have far reaching consequences for the region and Western Europe. It is also important to recognize the social liberalism of the Likud Vegas -Macao Hollywood networks tied to the City of London and their consequential emasculation of the social right in America. The Macao casino boss Adelson failed twice to elect a President, but in Trump he finally attains victory. This will be seen as a historic milestone in the evolution of the United States multicultural democracy. And its not apparent that the so called altright will be pleased .

    “Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation”

    Because Muslims were assimilating so well before Donald Trump announced he was running for POTUS, the Muslims were the new Irish and Italians. Before Donald Trump announced he was running for POTUS Americans had an extremely hard time telling Muslim women apart from Irish & Italian women because they dress so similar to each other.

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    • Replies: @KSM
    It is a race . Can the West assimilate the Muslims to Eurotrash decadence and infertility (western civ) faster than the Muslims turn the Westerners into fertile religionist identitarians. In Israel, religious orthodoxy and fertility is exploding and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage. That re-awakening, plus WMDs, and the willingness to use them, is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype. In a bronze age battlefield, Europe would already be in ruins.
    , @bomag

    Because Muslims were assimilating so well before...
     
    Thanks for making that point.

    So many people argue from fear: "I know the lions are eating half our children, but let's not do anything to upset them lest they eat the other half."
  10. This is new news?
    It’s their modus operandi everywhere, and not just in the West.

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    • Replies: @Abe

    This is new news?
     
    Ahhhhhh, it's FAKE NEWS!
    , @Forbes
    Now that Trump has been elected, it can be reported. The US doubled the admittance of Muslims after 9/11. Go figure.
  11. utu says:

    OT fyi: A Fake-News Creator In The Suburbs

    http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

    It was on NPR today. His company was targeting pro-Trump supporters by planting dis-info.

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    • Replies: @epebble
    But it looks like his strategy boomeranged. I think it is Trump (and his campaign) who will have the last laugh at this propagandist. In fact, if it can be shown it helped, Trump's political strategists should encourage hacks like Justin Coler.
    , @ziel
    This line by the NPR reporter was apparently written with a straight face: "Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait."
  12. Of course, it’s not real clear how much you can trust what people tell you after you’ve been waterboarding them.

    What motivation can you imagine for KSM to tell this particular thing to interrogators?

    It’s what they wanted to hear because, thought KSM, every American believes that only good can come through immigration? or what?

    “Eventually,” KSM said, “America will expose her neck to us for slaughter.”

    I’m sure they believe this is true, as they say, Inshallah. Their timeline is different from ours, I believe.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I think KSM has been pretty forthright throughout.
  13. prusmc says:
    @KSM
    Trump's election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant. This, together with a One State solution (annexation of the West Bank) and resulting Jim Crow measures will have far reaching consequences for the region and Western Europe. It is also important to recognize the social liberalism of the Likud Vegas -Macao Hollywood networks tied to the City of London and their consequential emasculation of the social right in America. The Macao casino boss Adelson failed twice to elect a President, but in Trump he finally attains victory. This will be seen as a historic milestone in the evolution of the United States multicultural democracy. And its not apparent that the so called altright will be pleased .

    If the macao casino barron was so influential why didn’t he deliver Nevada.

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    • Replies: @KSM
    Hispanics absolutely despise Adelson Trump types, which doesn't bode well for the Kushner interregnum.
  14. Abe says: • Website
    @Frayedthread
    This is new news?
    It's their modus operandi everywhere, and not just in the West.

    This is new news?

    Ahhhhhh, it’s FAKE NEWS!

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  15. Yep says:

    Isn’t this the plan of every ethnic group that immigrates to America?

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    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    My sister works with a guy from Yemen and he has 5 kids with his shrouded wife. He wants another wife so he can have more children. Where will the money to support these children come from? Why the welfare system of course! so not only will they outbreed us but we'll be paying for it.

    Reason number 210 why I oppose a welfare state.
  16. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Consider the Islamic “Rohingya”

    Myanmar/Burma is a Buddhist country which borders Bangladesh. Bengali immigrants have migrated into Burma.

    Since the 1990s, a new ‘Rohingya’ movement which is distinct from the 1950s armed rebellion has emerged. The new movement is characterized by lobbying internationally by overseas diaspora, establishing indigenous claims by Rohingya scholars, publicizing the term “Rohingya” and denying Bengali origins by Rohingya politicians.

    The history is a mess, but there is a lot of evidence that they are relatively recent migrants, and that they are using international public opinion to gain status as a protected minority class. And use that to ‘outbreed’ the Buddhists.

    Myanmar has a population of 54 million (2009 est.), of which 90% profess Theravada Buddhism (roughly 48 million), 4% Christianity (1.65 million Baptists and 550,000 Roman Catholics), 4% Islam (2.2 million), 1% Hinduism (550,000), and the remaining 1% consists of Mahayana Buddhism, Vajrayana Buddhism and Animism.

    The critical issue is this: Burma/Myanmar is a significant country that has surprisingly (shockingly) transformed itself from a totalitarian military dictatorship to a fledgling democracy. Based, in part, on US support. Aung San Suu Kyi is considered the de facto leader after a multi decade, epic struggle. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/world/asia/myanmar-sanctions-economy-us.html
    However, there is growing pressure to label the Rohingya problem as a genocide, which would effectively negate our success. In fact, it is thought by many people dealing with the issue that the label ‘genocide’ is decidedly unhelpful. Another analyst who asked not to be identified, in a telephone interview, said:

    “If you want to find a genocide, you will find a genocide. We should be careful when using this terminology; it used to be that this term was used for an exceptional thing.”

    The New York Times has published editorials favoring the Rohingya narrative.
    I don’t claim to understand the problem. However, this is a great opportunity for the United States to do nothing. Nothing is an under appreciated policy. Lets hope Trump finds more promising problems to worry about.

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Burma is perhaps the best example of why multi-culturalism does not work. The dozens of tribes and ethnicities have been coexisting in the same area for centuries and they still have deadly blood feuds and even wars. Multi-ethnic societies inevitably see strife as a result. It's almost an ironclad law.
    , @Anonymous
    Have no doubt that the 'Rohingya' will be eventually be 'resettled', en masse, in Europe - sooner rather than later.
    , @Jason Liu
    The NYT only cares about Rohingya because they happen to be one of the west's protected minorities. If they were Christians it wouldn't be on the news.

    I for one find their presence a blight on an otherwise religiously harmonious region, and would support the Chinese government in aiding our Burmese allies to expel the Rohingya to Pakistan, or wherever.
    , @BenKenobi
    Super relevant from The Onion (article is even about Myanmar!):

    Genocide Is Such A Harsh Word


    http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/genocide-is-such-a-harsh-word-10797
  17. Jefferson says:

    Dearborn and Hamtramck, Michigan are following through with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s master plan.

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  18. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    If MSM called Breitbart ‘fake news’, can we call MSM the ‘hoax media’?

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  19. That’s an interesting statement. The US was winning the war in VietNam (militarily, anyway) but Democratic politicians forced our withdrawal and cut our support to the ARVN to practically nothing. The world learned from this that even if they can’t beat our military there are other ways to defeat us. The fact that Islam (or Muslims, or extremist Muslims, whichever term makes you feel better) has been at war with the West for 700 years or so should drive home to even the dumbest politician that they take The Long View. What’s another 100 years to them? This is a very aiki form of attack. They’ll keep our attention focused on the MENA area with bombs and guns while they get as many Believers as possible into this country and just out-breed us. A two-pronged strategy.

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  20. George says:

    ‘generosity of American welfare systems’

    Forget welfare, American capitalism needs cheap workers and to fill real estate with renters. Thats the real weakness America has.

    We will hang the capitalists with the rope that they sell us. – VI Lenin apocryphal quote

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  21. @utu
    Anything about taking over convenience stores, gas stations and pizza places? Is it a part of the plan?

    Where I live it is the tobacco shops and taxi companies in addition to those businesses.

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  22. Yak-15 says:
    @Anon
    Consider the Islamic "Rohingya"

    Myanmar/Burma is a Buddhist country which borders Bangladesh. Bengali immigrants have migrated into Burma.

    Since the 1990s, a new 'Rohingya' movement which is distinct from the 1950s armed rebellion has emerged. The new movement is characterized by lobbying internationally by overseas diaspora, establishing indigenous claims by Rohingya scholars, publicizing the term "Rohingya" and denying Bengali origins by Rohingya politicians.
     
    The history is a mess, but there is a lot of evidence that they are relatively recent migrants, and that they are using international public opinion to gain status as a protected minority class. And use that to 'outbreed' the Buddhists.

    Myanmar has a population of 54 million (2009 est.), of which 90% profess Theravada Buddhism (roughly 48 million), 4% Christianity (1.65 million Baptists and 550,000 Roman Catholics), 4% Islam (2.2 million), 1% Hinduism (550,000), and the remaining 1% consists of Mahayana Buddhism, Vajrayana Buddhism and Animism.
     
    The critical issue is this: Burma/Myanmar is a significant country that has surprisingly (shockingly) transformed itself from a totalitarian military dictatorship to a fledgling democracy. Based, in part, on US support. Aung San Suu Kyi is considered the de facto leader after a multi decade, epic struggle. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/world/asia/myanmar-sanctions-economy-us.html
    However, there is growing pressure to label the Rohingya problem as a genocide, which would effectively negate our success. In fact, it is thought by many people dealing with the issue that the label 'genocide' is decidedly unhelpful. Another analyst who asked not to be identified, in a telephone interview, said:

    "If you want to find a genocide, you will find a genocide. We should be careful when using this terminology; it used to be that this term was used for an exceptional thing."
     
    The New York Times has published editorials favoring the Rohingya narrative.
    I don't claim to understand the problem. However, this is a great opportunity for the United States to do nothing. Nothing is an under appreciated policy. Lets hope Trump finds more promising problems to worry about.

    Burma is perhaps the best example of why multi-culturalism does not work. The dozens of tribes and ethnicities have been coexisting in the same area for centuries and they still have deadly blood feuds and even wars. Multi-ethnic societies inevitably see strife as a result. It’s almost an ironclad law.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Germans, French and Italians have coexisted in peaceful affluence in Switzerland for a millennium, not to mention the Flemish and Walloons, or the Chinese and Malays of Singapore. America is a nation of immigrants. Case open and shut — benefits of diverse vibrancy proven.
    , @Frau Katze
    Yes! Burma is a perfect example of where "diversity" gets you. To me, this The Big Issue. Not just in the US but the whole West.
  23. Jefferson says:

    I don’t think there are enough Muslims residing in Chappaqua, New York. It’s way too White there. The women there don’t cover enough of their skin while walking in public. I don’t like the fact that in Chappaqua you can see their hair in public. It should be covered at all times.

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  24. ussr andy says:
    @Jason Liu
    Europe might be the only civilization to be defeated by its own compassion

    Europe might be the only civilization to be defeated by its own compassion

    there is no compassion, ask Serbs.

    it’s all engineered. The nature of the moral imperative (send “aid” to/accept “refugees” from) and which groups it extends to, everything is engineered. Which means it can be un-engineered the same way it was engineered.

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    • Replies: @anon

    there is no compassion, ask Serbs.

    it’s all engineered
     
    obviously there is

    it's the direction that is manipulated but if the empathy wasn't there underneath it couldn't be manipulated
  25. Vinay says:

    KSM’s actions resulted in the Sunnis losing Iraq permanently, after ruling it for centuries. But, hey, he killed a few thousand Americans so that means he’s winning, right? Maybe this victory-through-outbreeding strategy can be tried out in Iraq before exporting to America, eh?

    Yes, immigrants will leverage their numbers into political power, just like African Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans, Hispanic Americans etc. But it won’t be much help to their ancestral homelands. Eisenhower didn’t help Germany in WWII and Ireland rose thru the efforts of the EU, not Irish Americans.

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    • Replies: @anon
    KSM's actions triggered the people who want open borders into a frenzy of appeasing Islam which has greatly speeded up the stealth invasion of the West.
  26. Not to worry guys, if you listen to people like Mia Love you will realize that once these immigrants read the Constitution, they will be lifelong Republican voting conservatives.

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  27. @whorefinder
    The war of the cradle.

    It's funny how the old Catholic Church's rules about not using birth control and going forth and multiplying are still pretty good battle tactics even today. And sad the Church in America isn't emphasizing these teachings anymore.

    Our modern society would rather women “lean in” and work 60 hour workweeks so they can live in overpriced apartments, date through Tinder, and spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments when they’re in their late 30s.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Our modern society would rather women “lean in” and work 60 hour workweeks so they can live in overpriced apartments, date through Tinder, and spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments when they’re in their late 30s."

    So, how are YOU contributing to ensuring the vitality of the white race? Have you sufficiently bred with a white woman and sired 5-8 offspring?
  28. @Chrisnonymous

    Of course, it’s not real clear how much you can trust what people tell you after you’ve been waterboarding them.
     
    What motivation can you imagine for KSM to tell this particular thing to interrogators?

    It's what they wanted to hear because, thought KSM, every American believes that only good can come through immigration? or what?

    “Eventually,” KSM said, “America will expose her neck to us for slaughter.”
     
    I'm sure they believe this is true, as they say, Inshallah. Their timeline is different from ours, I believe.

    I think KSM has been pretty forthright throughout.

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  29. @Yep
    Isn't this the plan of every ethnic group that immigrates to America?

    My sister works with a guy from Yemen and he has 5 kids with his shrouded wife. He wants another wife so he can have more children. Where will the money to support these children come from? Why the welfare system of course! so not only will they outbreed us but we’ll be paying for it.

    Reason number 210 why I oppose a welfare state.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    My sister works with a guy from Yemen and he has 5 kids with his shrouded wife. He wants another wife so he can have more children. Where will the money to support these children come from? Why the welfare system of course! so not only will they outbreed us but we’ll be paying for it.

    Reason number 210 why I oppose a welfare state.
     
    That's not reason number one?
  30. And KSM may have an exaggerated sense of the generosity of American welfare systems relative to Western European welfare.

    They are just going to love living with blacks in the hood on welfare.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "They are just going to love living with blacks in the hood on welfare."

    Muslims in England and France are used to living on welfare and in the hood with Blacks. The Western World is not getting Islam's cream of the crop immigrants.

    , @George
    living with blacks in the hood on welfare.

    Only a problem if you depend on the police to protect you. If you live in a religious community with masses of children you have all the back up you need. Actually they might resent having to pay taxes to support expensive useless police to protect you from ghetto blacks.
  31. So basically, Al Qaeda’s grand strategy = leftism?

    That is, leftism for us while they practice a form of rightism for themselves.

    Which come to think of it, is pretty much what the leftists do.

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    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    "So basically, Al Qaeda’s grand strategy = leftism?

    That is, leftism for us while they practice a form of rightism for themselves.

    Which come to think of it, is pretty much what the leftists do."



    And exactly what diaspora Jews do with regard to the countries they're living in and Israel.
    , @George
    So basically, Al Qaeda’s grand strategy = leftism?

    'Jackal' book praises Bin Laden

    Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, aka Carlos the Jackal Sanchez is serving a life sentence One of the world's best-known terrorists of the 1970s and 1980s has written a book lauding the man suspected of masterminding the 11 September 2001 attacks on the United States.

    Carlos the Jackal, whose real name is Illich Ramirez Sanchez, praises Osama Bin Laden's "shining" example in a selection of writings from his prison cell in France which went on sale on Thursday.

    A convert to Islam since his imprisonment for three murders, Sanchez preaches "revolutionary Islam" - which is the title of his book - as the new, post-Communist answer to what he calls US "totalitarianism".

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3022358.stm
  32. snorlax says:
    @Yak-15
    Burma is perhaps the best example of why multi-culturalism does not work. The dozens of tribes and ethnicities have been coexisting in the same area for centuries and they still have deadly blood feuds and even wars. Multi-ethnic societies inevitably see strife as a result. It's almost an ironclad law.

    Germans, French and Italians have coexisted in peaceful affluence in Switzerland for a millennium, not to mention the Flemish and Walloons, or the Chinese and Malays of Singapore. America is a nation of immigrants. Case open and shut — benefits of diverse vibrancy proven.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Switzerland has homogenous ethno-sectarian cantons precisely because they used to constantly fight.

    The Flemish have been trying to separate for years - blocked by the EU.

    Singapore has a law to keep the Chinese at 75% of the population.

  33. snorlax says:
    @whorefinder
    The war of the cradle.

    It's funny how the old Catholic Church's rules about not using birth control and going forth and multiplying are still pretty good battle tactics even today. And sad the Church in America isn't emphasizing these teachings anymore.

    Only the Mexicans and maybe the Filipinos would listen nowadays.

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    • Replies: @ken
    Mexico's TFR is 2.25, barely at replacement. Even Philippines is down to 3.
  34. epebble says:
    @utu
    OT fyi: A Fake-News Creator In The Suburbs

    http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

    It was on NPR today. His company was targeting pro-Trump supporters by planting dis-info.

    But it looks like his strategy boomeranged. I think it is Trump (and his campaign) who will have the last laugh at this propagandist. In fact, if it can be shown it helped, Trump’s political strategists should encourage hacks like Justin Coler.

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  35. KSM says:
    @prusmc
    If the macao casino barron was so influential why didn't he deliver Nevada.

    Hispanics absolutely despise Adelson Trump types, which doesn’t bode well for the Kushner interregnum.

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  36. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    He would have made a heck of a strategist for the Democrats, if not for his unfortunate tendency to kill thousands of people.

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  37. black sea says:

    It’s not really clear how much you can trust former CIA contractors who are trying to write saleable books.

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    • Replies: @bomag
    Plenty of other Muslim leaders have indicated the same strategy.
  38. Hubbub says:

    Burma is perhaps the best example of why multi-culturalism does not work

    And the United States is next-best example itself.

    Switzerland an example of multi-culti that works? They have cantons unique to each group, so that while the country as a whole may be at peace, the peoples live for the most part in cantons filled with their own.

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    • Replies: @415 reasons
    Ah yes the cantons of Switzerland, lots of genetic diversity I believe the last common ancestor between the Bernese and the Zurichers is about 230 kya.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Even in Switzerland, there were minor acts of terrorism as late as the 1960s in the Jura area, which at that time was part of the large German-speaking canton that included Berne. A separate French-speaking canton was created to calm things down. Another factor holding Switzerland together is that no French-speaking Swiss wants to be French, no German-speaking Swiss wants to be German, and no Italian-speaking Swiss wants to be Italian. Nice situation if you can arrange it, but it seems unique to Switzerland.
    , @Yak-15
    I think he was joking about the Swiss
  39. KSM says:
    @Jefferson
    "Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation"

    Because Muslims were assimilating so well before Donald Trump announced he was running for POTUS, the Muslims were the new Irish and Italians. Before Donald Trump announced he was running for POTUS Americans had an extremely hard time telling Muslim women apart from Irish & Italian women because they dress so similar to each other.

    It is a race . Can the West assimilate the Muslims to Eurotrash decadence and infertility (western civ) faster than the Muslims turn the Westerners into fertile religionist identitarians. In Israel, religious orthodoxy and fertility is exploding and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage. That re-awakening, plus WMDs, and the willingness to use them, is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype. In a bronze age battlefield, Europe would already be in ruins.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "It is a race . Can the West assimilate the Muslims to Eurotrash decadence and infertility (western civ) faster than the Muslims turn the Westerners into fertile religionist identitarians. In Israel, religious orthodoxy and fertility is exploding and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage. That re-awakening, plus WMDs, and the willingness to use them, is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype. In a bronze age battlefield, Europe would already be in ruins."

    When Muslims in The U.S are not busy committing terrorist attacks, they are fabricating hate crime hoaxes about being physically attacked by White male Donald Trump supporters. With friends like that who needs enemies.
    , @bomag

    That re-awakening... is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype.
     
    As we are fond to quote here: demography is destiny.

    But to wave a victory banner atop an overpopulated planet would be a Pyrrhic victory. The womb is capable of generating any number of bodies, even unto total dysfunction.

    At some point one HAS to defend a border. Right now it seems obvious to protect the borders around your house and gated ("gated") community; it would be kind of nice if the country as a whole would see the light.
    , @NOTA
    Well, that or a willingness to hire a few border guards.
  40. Yak-15 says:

    What is it we are defending?

    Other than not being able to drink alcohol I fail to see the downsides of Islam for men in the US. Of course, we would prefer not to have Islamic populations.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Other than not being able to drink alcohol I fail to see the downsides of Islam for men in the US"

    Than why don't you lead the way and convert to Islam. Put up or shut up.
    , @415 reasons
    The mind numbing boredom of life lived under a totalitarian religion that stopped accumulating knowledge in 7th century Arabia? Some of us are interested in you know, science, knowledge, technology, pursuits of the mind beyond drowning infidels in a cage and stoning women and homosexuals to death and memorizing the gibberish written from the rantings of an illiterate holy man 1300 years ago.

    Sorry if I just took the bait on a troll...

    , @bomag

    I fail to see the downsides of Islam for men in the US.
     
    I notice that any Muslim of power, influence, and wealth certainly doesn't live a "Muslim" life.

    It is just another form of political correctness to keep the people down.
  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    TRUMP WON MICHIGAN

    …because of the Islamic call to prayer being heard on the streets.

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  42. eah says:

    Of course, it’s not real clear how much you can trust what people tell you after you’ve been waterboarding them.

    Huh?

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    • LOL: 415 reasons
    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    Tell you what Ms Brabin, you are a stupid naive moron. Do you not understand that if the norms traditions and laws of the West disappear, these 7th century savages will rape you before they kill you? Why don't you pay a nice visit to Yemen Somalia or Saudi Arabia? Do you really think these people change just because they move? This naive stupidity of liberal dunderheads like the Brabin dope is killing the West. Absolute stupidity, and a huge % of the stupid masses have swallowed this narrative from academia and the media.
    , @eah
    https://twitter.com/LanaLokteff/status/802217839520268288
  43. Jefferson says:
    @Joe Schmoe



    And KSM may have an exaggerated sense of the generosity of American welfare systems relative to Western European welfare.
     
    They are just going to love living with blacks in the hood on welfare.

    “They are just going to love living with blacks in the hood on welfare.”

    Muslims in England and France are used to living on welfare and in the hood with Blacks. The Western World is not getting Islam’s cream of the crop immigrants.

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  44. Jefferson says:
    @Yak-15
    What is it we are defending?

    Other than not being able to drink alcohol I fail to see the downsides of Islam for men in the US. Of course, we would prefer not to have Islamic populations.

    “Other than not being able to drink alcohol I fail to see the downsides of Islam for men in the US”

    Than why don’t you lead the way and convert to Islam. Put up or shut up.

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  45. @Yak-15
    What is it we are defending?

    Other than not being able to drink alcohol I fail to see the downsides of Islam for men in the US. Of course, we would prefer not to have Islamic populations.

    The mind numbing boredom of life lived under a totalitarian religion that stopped accumulating knowledge in 7th century Arabia? Some of us are interested in you know, science, knowledge, technology, pursuits of the mind beyond drowning infidels in a cage and stoning women and homosexuals to death and memorizing the gibberish written from the rantings of an illiterate holy man 1300 years ago.

    Sorry if I just took the bait on a troll…

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Seriously, what aspects of post modern society are we really proud of aside from technology? All I hear and see is that white males are the worst and our society is wretched and grating on POCs. Why are we defending this?

    The other day I was dining with my wife's family and her sister mentioned how she wouldn't travel in Latin America without a male companion or a group. I mentioned it was great to live in a society built and ran by white men as a cutting jib to her imbecilic liberalism. She scoffed about privilege and not judging foriegn cultures.

    This is what we are defending - the complete and utter lack of appreciation for our society, our culture and our way of life. I say f*ck them. Time to make my harem great again. Time to buy into the totalitarian ideologogy and run out the detractors.
  46. @Hubbub

    Burma is perhaps the best example of why multi-culturalism does not work
     
    And the United States is next-best example itself.

    Switzerland an example of multi-culti that works? They have cantons unique to each group, so that while the country as a whole may be at peace, the peoples live for the most part in cantons filled with their own.

    Ah yes the cantons of Switzerland, lots of genetic diversity I believe the last common ancestor between the Bernese and the Zurichers is about 230 kya.

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  47. Jefferson says:
    @KSM
    It is a race . Can the West assimilate the Muslims to Eurotrash decadence and infertility (western civ) faster than the Muslims turn the Westerners into fertile religionist identitarians. In Israel, religious orthodoxy and fertility is exploding and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage. That re-awakening, plus WMDs, and the willingness to use them, is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype. In a bronze age battlefield, Europe would already be in ruins.

    “It is a race . Can the West assimilate the Muslims to Eurotrash decadence and infertility (western civ) faster than the Muslims turn the Westerners into fertile religionist identitarians. In Israel, religious orthodoxy and fertility is exploding and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage. That re-awakening, plus WMDs, and the willingness to use them, is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype. In a bronze age battlefield, Europe would already be in ruins.”

    When Muslims in The U.S are not busy committing terrorist attacks, they are fabricating hate crime hoaxes about being physically attacked by White male Donald Trump supporters. With friends like that who needs enemies.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage.

    For what purpose?
  48. @Formerly CARealist
    My sister works with a guy from Yemen and he has 5 kids with his shrouded wife. He wants another wife so he can have more children. Where will the money to support these children come from? Why the welfare system of course! so not only will they outbreed us but we'll be paying for it.

    Reason number 210 why I oppose a welfare state.

    My sister works with a guy from Yemen and he has 5 kids with his shrouded wife. He wants another wife so he can have more children. Where will the money to support these children come from? Why the welfare system of course! so not only will they outbreed us but we’ll be paying for it.

    Reason number 210 why I oppose a welfare state.

    That’s not reason number one?

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    A welfare state gradually weakens. After several generations of welfare families, both the culture and the genetics optimizes for the welfare life and not for the working life. Then given the choice between an immigrant and the lazy local welfare guy, there is no choice. Even without the immigrant, a country is the sum of the human capital. When you have lots of indolent useless parasites draining the productive people because feelz, the country as a whole is less competitive.

    But now with immigrants it is the beginning of the end. Welfare state, immigration, pick one.
  49. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Seems like the British Labour Party had been ‘got at’ by Al Qaeda decades ago.

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  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jason Liu
    Europe might be the only civilization to be defeated by its own compassion

    Defeated by gullibility more like.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Obviously if the empathy thing is a Bell curve some people will be at one extreme and some at the other.
  51. “They will wrap themselves in America’s rights and laws for protection” – Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

    “Abroad, the emigrants threw themselves on the mercies of civil liberties organisations. They sought the protection of the laws of the countries where the planes had brought them. They or their representatives spoke correct words about the difference between poor countries and rich, South and North. They spoke of the crime of racial discrimination and the brotherhood of man. They appealed to the ideals of the alien civilisations whose virtues they denied at home.

    And in the eyes of the faithful there was no contradiction. Home was home, home wasn’t like outside; ecumenical words spoken outside didn’t alter that.”

    V.S. Naipaul, Among The Believers, 1981

    (Jefferson – many of the Muslims in Europe ARE black. Somalis, Sudanese etc. They tend (if the crime reports are any indicator) to be more violent than their coreligionists from the subcontinent.)

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  52. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Consider the Islamic "Rohingya"

    Myanmar/Burma is a Buddhist country which borders Bangladesh. Bengali immigrants have migrated into Burma.

    Since the 1990s, a new 'Rohingya' movement which is distinct from the 1950s armed rebellion has emerged. The new movement is characterized by lobbying internationally by overseas diaspora, establishing indigenous claims by Rohingya scholars, publicizing the term "Rohingya" and denying Bengali origins by Rohingya politicians.
     
    The history is a mess, but there is a lot of evidence that they are relatively recent migrants, and that they are using international public opinion to gain status as a protected minority class. And use that to 'outbreed' the Buddhists.

    Myanmar has a population of 54 million (2009 est.), of which 90% profess Theravada Buddhism (roughly 48 million), 4% Christianity (1.65 million Baptists and 550,000 Roman Catholics), 4% Islam (2.2 million), 1% Hinduism (550,000), and the remaining 1% consists of Mahayana Buddhism, Vajrayana Buddhism and Animism.
     
    The critical issue is this: Burma/Myanmar is a significant country that has surprisingly (shockingly) transformed itself from a totalitarian military dictatorship to a fledgling democracy. Based, in part, on US support. Aung San Suu Kyi is considered the de facto leader after a multi decade, epic struggle. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/world/asia/myanmar-sanctions-economy-us.html
    However, there is growing pressure to label the Rohingya problem as a genocide, which would effectively negate our success. In fact, it is thought by many people dealing with the issue that the label 'genocide' is decidedly unhelpful. Another analyst who asked not to be identified, in a telephone interview, said:

    "If you want to find a genocide, you will find a genocide. We should be careful when using this terminology; it used to be that this term was used for an exceptional thing."
     
    The New York Times has published editorials favoring the Rohingya narrative.
    I don't claim to understand the problem. However, this is a great opportunity for the United States to do nothing. Nothing is an under appreciated policy. Lets hope Trump finds more promising problems to worry about.

    Have no doubt that the ‘Rohingya’ will be eventually be ‘resettled’, en masse, in Europe – sooner rather than later.

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  53. Harold says:
    @Opinionator
    The war of the cradle.

    Do you know what the origin of this phrase is? I'd like to know how far it goes back.

    The book From Chance to Choice: Genetics and Justice contains the line, ‘Theodore Roosevelt warned that a “war of the cradle” was being waged between better and inferior social groups.’ but gives no citation.

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  54. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jason Liu
    Europe might be the only civilization to be defeated by its own compassion

    Yes but it’s manipulated compassion – currently the media show crying mothers and children which directs the altruistic punishment at people who don’t want to help.

    If the media showed the girls raped by “refugees” instead of covering it up the “altruistic punishment” unleashed would burn all the way to the Indian border.

    So it’s an odd trait.

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  55. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @ussr andy

    Europe might be the only civilization to be defeated by its own compassion
     
    there is no compassion, ask Serbs.

    it's all engineered. The nature of the moral imperative (send "aid" to/accept "refugees" from) and which groups it extends to, everything is engineered. Which means it can be un-engineered the same way it was engineered.

    there is no compassion, ask Serbs.

    it’s all engineered

    obviously there is

    it’s the direction that is manipulated but if the empathy wasn’t there underneath it couldn’t be manipulated

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  56. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Vinay
    KSM's actions resulted in the Sunnis losing Iraq permanently, after ruling it for centuries. But, hey, he killed a few thousand Americans so that means he's winning, right? Maybe this victory-through-outbreeding strategy can be tried out in Iraq before exporting to America, eh?

    Yes, immigrants will leverage their numbers into political power, just like African Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans, Hispanic Americans etc. But it won't be much help to their ancestral homelands. Eisenhower didn't help Germany in WWII and Ireland rose thru the efforts of the EU, not Irish Americans.

    KSM’s actions triggered the people who want open borders into a frenzy of appeasing Islam which has greatly speeded up the stealth invasion of the West.

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  57. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @snorlax
    Germans, French and Italians have coexisted in peaceful affluence in Switzerland for a millennium, not to mention the Flemish and Walloons, or the Chinese and Malays of Singapore. America is a nation of immigrants. Case open and shut — benefits of diverse vibrancy proven.

    Switzerland has homogenous ethno-sectarian cantons precisely because they used to constantly fight.

    The Flemish have been trying to separate for years – blocked by the EU.

    Singapore has a law to keep the Chinese at 75% of the population.

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    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    Singapore was once part of Malaysia but separated due to racial and religious tensions between Malays and Chinese.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/History_of_Singapore#Singapore_in_Malaysia_.281963.E2.80.931965.29

  58. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Defeated by gullibility more like.

    Obviously if the empathy thing is a Bell curve some people will be at one extreme and some at the other.

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  59. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Of course, it’s not real clear how much you can trust what people tell you after you’ve been waterboarding them.

    They all say it. All the Saudi funded preachers in 1000s of Saudi funded mosques say wait, grow in numbers and then civil war – it’s their religion, clearly stated in black and white.

    There is literally no artifice to it at all.

    The media cover it up.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    They all say it and we can see it happening front of our eyes.
  60. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @KSM
    Trump's election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant. This, together with a One State solution (annexation of the West Bank) and resulting Jim Crow measures will have far reaching consequences for the region and Western Europe. It is also important to recognize the social liberalism of the Likud Vegas -Macao Hollywood networks tied to the City of London and their consequential emasculation of the social right in America. The Macao casino boss Adelson failed twice to elect a President, but in Trump he finally attains victory. This will be seen as a historic milestone in the evolution of the United States multicultural democracy. And its not apparent that the so called altright will be pleased .

    Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant.

    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure."

    All of the Muslim homegrown terrorists in the U.S like The Tsarnaev Brothers and Omar Mateen for example all grew up in overwhelmingly Non Muslim communities, they didn't grow up in Muslim ghettos like what you see in London & Paris, and yet they still did not assimilate. Muslims in small numbers are still a cancer.
    , @Jefferson
    “In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.”

    All of the Muslim homegrown terrorists in the U.S like The Tsarnaev Brothers and Omar Mateen for example all grew up in overwhelmingly Non Muslim communities, they didn’t grow up in Muslim ghettos like what you see in London & Paris, and yet they still did not assimilate. Muslims in small numbers are still a cancer.

    Disproportionately per capita wise there have been a lot of terrorist attacks on U.S soil when you factor in that the Muslim population in this country is even smaller than the Jewish population. Islam is the N Word of religions. Muslims are so undesirable as an immigrant community that they make Latino immigrants look like a major upgrade.

    , @Peter Akuleyev

    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers
     
    That is why the US is not as "at risk" as Europe. If you keep Muslims dispersed, they will integrate over time, and deradicalize. If you keep Muslims out of the job market, don't encourage them to learn the native language, and subsidize ghettos where you pacify them by giving them just enough welfare and education to make life better than their home country, yet strip of them any sense of self-worth, you are creating a time bomb. This seems to be the Swedish model.
    , @Anonymous
    Pakistanis in Britain made absolutely no effort to 'integrate' even when their numbers were small.
    Seeing some of things British society had to offer, one cannot entirely blame them.
  61. Lurker says:
    @KSM
    Trump's election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant. This, together with a One State solution (annexation of the West Bank) and resulting Jim Crow measures will have far reaching consequences for the region and Western Europe. It is also important to recognize the social liberalism of the Likud Vegas -Macao Hollywood networks tied to the City of London and their consequential emasculation of the social right in America. The Macao casino boss Adelson failed twice to elect a President, but in Trump he finally attains victory. This will be seen as a historic milestone in the evolution of the United States multicultural democracy. And its not apparent that the so called altright will be pleased .

    And what is Adelson supposed to have delivered to Trump exactly? Do we know that his donations were the deal breaker that pushed Trump over the winning line?

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    $25 millions, at the very last minute, when Trump's victory was clear to anybody with half a brain. It's not even real money for a billionaire like Adelson.
  62. Lurker says:
    @anon

    Of course, it’s not real clear how much you can trust what people tell you after you’ve been waterboarding them.
     
    They all say it. All the Saudi funded preachers in 1000s of Saudi funded mosques say wait, grow in numbers and then civil war - it's their religion, clearly stated in black and white.

    There is literally no artifice to it at all.

    The media cover it up.

    They all say it and we can see it happening front of our eyes.

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  63. Jefferson says:
    @anon

    Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant.
     
    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.

    “In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.”

    All of the Muslim homegrown terrorists in the U.S like The Tsarnaev Brothers and Omar Mateen for example all grew up in overwhelmingly Non Muslim communities, they didn’t grow up in Muslim ghettos like what you see in London & Paris, and yet they still did not assimilate. Muslims in small numbers are still a cancer.

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  64. Jefferson says:
    @anon

    Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant.
     
    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.

    “In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.”

    All of the Muslim homegrown terrorists in the U.S like The Tsarnaev Brothers and Omar Mateen for example all grew up in overwhelmingly Non Muslim communities, they didn’t grow up in Muslim ghettos like what you see in London & Paris, and yet they still did not assimilate. Muslims in small numbers are still a cancer.

    Disproportionately per capita wise there have been a lot of terrorist attacks on U.S soil when you factor in that the Muslim population in this country is even smaller than the Jewish population. Islam is the N Word of religions. Muslims are so undesirable as an immigrant community that they make Latino immigrants look like a major upgrade.

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    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    The Tsarnaev brothers are a special case. They are Chechens, and Chechens are just bad news. Russia has millions and millions of Muslims, most of whom are quite well integrated into Russian society. It is the Chechens who cause the lion's share of the problems.

    In general it makes little sense to focus on "Muslims" as a problem, it is an ethnic and cultural issue. It is ironic that focusing on religion allows one to argue you aren't being "racist", when probably a little racism or at least cultural prejudice is what is called for. If you want to ban people start with Afghanis who are usually far too primitive to adapt to Western societies, same with Somalis and Chechens. Moroccans and Algerians can be very nasty in France, but that probably has to do with colonial baggage as much as religion. Anatolian Turks don't do that well in Europe, but would integrate better if Erdogan was not allowed to keep financing their radical elements. Educated Iraqis, Egyptians, Turks and Iranians do very well in the US and in Europe and mostly fit in and integrate over time. Syrians are a mixed bag, but the worst of the refugees in Europe seem to be the Afghanis, not the Syrians.
    , @GSR
    You are correct and take it from me, a resident of Dearbornistan, Michigan for over forty years. When the numbers of Mohammedans grow significant, out come the burkas, the multiple wives and Sharia Law.

    Islam is a totalitarian political ideology (originally) for the Arabs in the desert. It's not for Western culture.
  65. @anon

    Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant.
     
    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.

    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers

    That is why the US is not as “at risk” as Europe. If you keep Muslims dispersed, they will integrate over time, and deradicalize. If you keep Muslims out of the job market, don’t encourage them to learn the native language, and subsidize ghettos where you pacify them by giving them just enough welfare and education to make life better than their home country, yet strip of them any sense of self-worth, you are creating a time bomb. This seems to be the Swedish model.

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    You must be naïve. Moooooslims do no integrate much at all - many not at all. Mooooslim immigration should not be allowed into Western nations. Period. Islam is a hostile political ideology and a sexual cult for Arab men.
    , @Anonymous
    Not if British or French experience is anything to go by.

    Commentators seem to massively underestimate the strength of the bonds which tie Muslims together and the bond they still retain for the native lands and culture.
    These are not 'fungible' European people you are talking about.
    , @bomag

    If you keep _______ out of the job market, don't encourage them to learn the native language, and subsidize ghettos where you pacify them by giving them just enough welfare and education to make life better than their next best opportunity, yet strip of them any sense of self-worth, you are creating a time bomb. This seems to be the Swedish model.
     
    Well, this the bulk of humanity in the ever encroaching high tech machine future.

    We are back to fundamental questions: why import anyone, especially Muslims?; What is the basic right of anyone to America's (or Earth's) resources, especially Muslims? How many Muslims can the World support, especially Muslims?
    , @anon

    If you keep Muslims dispersed, they will integrate over time, and deradicalize.
     
    Nope. Professionals may be dispersed but the rest form enclaves whenever they can.

    If you keep Muslims out of the job market...
     
    The Swedes don't keep them out of the job market deliberately. They are stupid plus most of the men can't deal with women in a position of authority or even equality.

    You have the ones who immigrate via education and thus pre-selected to not be stupid and the rest - who are stupid.
    , @NOTA
    We also probably get a better selection of Muslim immigrants into the US--lots of doctors and engineers and such. They're not inclined to form a resentful underclass, and besides, that ecological niche is already occupied.
  66. @Jefferson
    “In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.”

    All of the Muslim homegrown terrorists in the U.S like The Tsarnaev Brothers and Omar Mateen for example all grew up in overwhelmingly Non Muslim communities, they didn’t grow up in Muslim ghettos like what you see in London & Paris, and yet they still did not assimilate. Muslims in small numbers are still a cancer.

    Disproportionately per capita wise there have been a lot of terrorist attacks on U.S soil when you factor in that the Muslim population in this country is even smaller than the Jewish population. Islam is the N Word of religions. Muslims are so undesirable as an immigrant community that they make Latino immigrants look like a major upgrade.

    The Tsarnaev brothers are a special case. They are Chechens, and Chechens are just bad news. Russia has millions and millions of Muslims, most of whom are quite well integrated into Russian society. It is the Chechens who cause the lion’s share of the problems.

    In general it makes little sense to focus on “Muslims” as a problem, it is an ethnic and cultural issue. It is ironic that focusing on religion allows one to argue you aren’t being “racist”, when probably a little racism or at least cultural prejudice is what is called for. If you want to ban people start with Afghanis who are usually far too primitive to adapt to Western societies, same with Somalis and Chechens. Moroccans and Algerians can be very nasty in France, but that probably has to do with colonial baggage as much as religion. Anatolian Turks don’t do that well in Europe, but would integrate better if Erdogan was not allowed to keep financing their radical elements. Educated Iraqis, Egyptians, Turks and Iranians do very well in the US and in Europe and mostly fit in and integrate over time. Syrians are a mixed bag, but the worst of the refugees in Europe seem to be the Afghanis, not the Syrians.

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    "In general it makes little sense to focus on “Muslims” as a problem, ?"

    I 100 percent disagree.

    "Educated Iraqis, Egyptians, Turks and Iranians do very well in the US and in Europe and mostly fit in and integrate over time. ?"

    Yeah like the Egyptian Muslim in Texas who murdered his daughters for dating Infidel boys. Yeah that Egyptian Muslim father is as American as apple pie.
    http://pamelageller.com/2008/01/texas-honor-kil.html/

    And how about the Muslim Turk who murdered 5 people at a shopping mall in Washington state.
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/washington-state-turkish-muslim-arcan-cetin-arrested-for-murder-of-five-people-inside-cascade-mall

    These Muslims have truly enriched American culture with their vibrant DIEversity.
    , @anon
    The average IQ in the middle east is too low to have anything other than a negative effect on western countries.

    They are stupid.

    The only ones that should be considered at all are those who pass some kind of academic hurdle.

    The rest are like importing millions of the dumbest white people.
  67. ziel says:
    @utu
    OT fyi: A Fake-News Creator In The Suburbs

    http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

    It was on NPR today. His company was targeting pro-Trump supporters by planting dis-info.

    This line by the NPR reporter was apparently written with a straight face: “Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait.”

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  68. GSR says:
    @Anonymous

    He said the terror attacks were good, but the “practical” way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims.
     
    If only there was someway to stop this, without restricting immigration, because we are a nation of immigrants and there is a plaque that says something about "huddled masses" on the statue of liberty. It would be a betrayal of our founding principles of religious toleration and pluralism to prevent Khalid and his friends from coming here and imposing Sharia.

    1) we are not a “nation of immigrants”, 2) immigration is not one of our founding principles. Where do you get this garbage from? You’ve been mis-educated.

    The Statue of Liberty was given to the USA from France during 1876 centennial. It had nothing to do with immigration; it was a celebration of liberty. Only in the early 20th century, after some twenty years of mass immigration, did a Jewish poet write the words that were put on a plaque and attached to the SoL.

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  69. GSR says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers
     
    That is why the US is not as "at risk" as Europe. If you keep Muslims dispersed, they will integrate over time, and deradicalize. If you keep Muslims out of the job market, don't encourage them to learn the native language, and subsidize ghettos where you pacify them by giving them just enough welfare and education to make life better than their home country, yet strip of them any sense of self-worth, you are creating a time bomb. This seems to be the Swedish model.

    You must be naïve. Moooooslims do no integrate much at all – many not at all. Mooooslim immigration should not be allowed into Western nations. Period. Islam is a hostile political ideology and a sexual cult for Arab men.

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  70. GSR says:
    @Jefferson
    “In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.”

    All of the Muslim homegrown terrorists in the U.S like The Tsarnaev Brothers and Omar Mateen for example all grew up in overwhelmingly Non Muslim communities, they didn’t grow up in Muslim ghettos like what you see in London & Paris, and yet they still did not assimilate. Muslims in small numbers are still a cancer.

    Disproportionately per capita wise there have been a lot of terrorist attacks on U.S soil when you factor in that the Muslim population in this country is even smaller than the Jewish population. Islam is the N Word of religions. Muslims are so undesirable as an immigrant community that they make Latino immigrants look like a major upgrade.

    You are correct and take it from me, a resident of Dearbornistan, Michigan for over forty years. When the numbers of Mohammedans grow significant, out come the burkas, the multiple wives and Sharia Law.

    Islam is a totalitarian political ideology (originally) for the Arabs in the desert. It’s not for Western culture.

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    • Replies: @anon

    When the numbers of Mohammedans grow significant, out come the burkas, the multiple wives and Sharia Law.
     
    Yes. When the numbers are low you don't see burkas or hear about sharia law etc then when the local tipping point is reached that is all you see and hear.
    , @anonguy

    You are correct and take it from me, a resident of Dearbornistan, Michigan for over forty years. When the numbers of Mohammedans grow significant, out come the burkas, the multiple wives and Sharia Law.

    Islam is a totalitarian political ideology (originally) for the Arabs in the desert. It’s not for Western culture.
     
    What keeps you in Dearborn? I'm genuinely curious.
  71. @eah
    Of course, it’s not real clear how much you can trust what people tell you after you’ve been waterboarding them.

    Huh?

    https://twitter.com/TracyBrabin/status/800119891441451008

    Tell you what Ms Brabin, you are a stupid naive moron. Do you not understand that if the norms traditions and laws of the West disappear, these 7th century savages will rape you before they kill you? Why don’t you pay a nice visit to Yemen Somalia or Saudi Arabia? Do you really think these people change just because they move? This naive stupidity of liberal dunderheads like the Brabin dope is killing the West. Absolute stupidity, and a huge % of the stupid masses have swallowed this narrative from academia and the media.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Tracy Brabin replaced the murdered Jo Cox as MP. Rather than taking a slightly different tack Brabin appears to be doubling down on her predecessors cucking. After all - hate must not win.
  72. Jefferson says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    The Tsarnaev brothers are a special case. They are Chechens, and Chechens are just bad news. Russia has millions and millions of Muslims, most of whom are quite well integrated into Russian society. It is the Chechens who cause the lion's share of the problems.

    In general it makes little sense to focus on "Muslims" as a problem, it is an ethnic and cultural issue. It is ironic that focusing on religion allows one to argue you aren't being "racist", when probably a little racism or at least cultural prejudice is what is called for. If you want to ban people start with Afghanis who are usually far too primitive to adapt to Western societies, same with Somalis and Chechens. Moroccans and Algerians can be very nasty in France, but that probably has to do with colonial baggage as much as religion. Anatolian Turks don't do that well in Europe, but would integrate better if Erdogan was not allowed to keep financing their radical elements. Educated Iraqis, Egyptians, Turks and Iranians do very well in the US and in Europe and mostly fit in and integrate over time. Syrians are a mixed bag, but the worst of the refugees in Europe seem to be the Afghanis, not the Syrians.

    “In general it makes little sense to focus on “Muslims” as a problem, ?”

    I 100 percent disagree.

    “Educated Iraqis, Egyptians, Turks and Iranians do very well in the US and in Europe and mostly fit in and integrate over time. ?”

    Yeah like the Egyptian Muslim in Texas who murdered his daughters for dating Infidel boys. Yeah that Egyptian Muslim father is as American as apple pie.

    http://pamelageller.com/2008/01/texas-honor-kil.html/

    And how about the Muslim Turk who murdered 5 people at a shopping mall in Washington state.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/washington-state-turkish-muslim-arcan-cetin-arrested-for-murder-of-five-people-inside-cascade-mall

    These Muslims have truly enriched American culture with their vibrant DIEversity.

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  73. Clyde says:

    https://goo.gl/hsjtoD

    Questions About the Hegira to Germany
    by Steve Sailer
    September 09, 2015 ____ Taki’s Magazine

    Is it a tradition for Muslim settlers to trek en masse like this to a welcoming destination? In fact, it’s the oldest Muslim tradition. Year one of the Muslim calendar is set to the hegira of 622 A.D., in which Muhammad encouraged his followers to emigrate in small groups from unfriendly Mecca to trusting Medina.
    As Pat Buchanan observed this month, the events in Europe remind him of James Burnham’s 1964 observation: “Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide.”

    from wikipedia:
    The Hegira or Hijrah is the migration or journey of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and his followers from Mecca to Yathrib, later renamed by him to Medina, in 622 CE.[1] In June 622 CE, after being warned of a plot to assassinate him, Muhammad secretly left his home in Mecca to emigrate to Yathrib, 320 km (200 mi) north of Mecca, along with his companion Abu Bakr.[3] Yathrib was soon renamed Madīnat an-Nabī, literally “the City of the Prophet”, but an-Nabī was soon dropped, so its name is “Medina”, meaning “the city”.[4]

    The Hijrah is also often identified erroneously with the start of the Islamic calendar, which was set to Julian 16 July 622.

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  74. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anon

    Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant.
     
    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers.

    When numbers are low people try to fit in with their neighbors. When they become a majority in a neighborhood them integration reverses.

    Peer pressure.

    Pakistanis in Britain made absolutely no effort to ‘integrate’ even when their numbers were small.
    Seeing some of things British society had to offer, one cannot entirely blame them.

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    Not true. They didn't used to go around in burkas. There didn't used to be sharia patrols etc.

    Quibbling over the word "integrate" is fair enough - you might call it "keeping their head down" if you prefer but the fact is whatever you call it it went into reverse as the numbers increased.
  75. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers
     
    That is why the US is not as "at risk" as Europe. If you keep Muslims dispersed, they will integrate over time, and deradicalize. If you keep Muslims out of the job market, don't encourage them to learn the native language, and subsidize ghettos where you pacify them by giving them just enough welfare and education to make life better than their home country, yet strip of them any sense of self-worth, you are creating a time bomb. This seems to be the Swedish model.

    Not if British or French experience is anything to go by.

    Commentators seem to massively underestimate the strength of the bonds which tie Muslims together and the bond they still retain for the native lands and culture.
    These are not ‘fungible’ European people you are talking about.

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  76. @Jason Liu
    Europe might be the only civilization to be defeated by its own compassion

    If any European nations die it will be the same way East Asian countries die, low birth rate. Immigration accelerates the process and makes it harder to reverse. Countries with a low birth rate will ultimately be conquered, one way or another.

    Here is a population calculator, with a birth rate of many Asian and European countries. Keep immigration at zero to see the future native population.

    http://ilkkah.com/population-calculator/#human_age=80&title=&birth_rate=1.45&birth_age=21&immigration=0&start_pop=958000&timespan=733&start_year=2013&pyramid=flat

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    • Replies: @bomag

    If any European nations die it will be the same way East Asian countries die, low birth rate.
     
    There is significant value in a less crowded life. We should be able to capture some of that value. To just forever have significant population growth to stave off the ethnic hordes clamoring at our borders is a losing proposition. One should be able to opt out of this game of chicken.
    , @anon
    No - that's a lie spread by anti-whites.

    If any European nations die it will as a result of betrayal of their borders by people like you.
  77. George says:
    @Joe Schmoe



    And KSM may have an exaggerated sense of the generosity of American welfare systems relative to Western European welfare.
     
    They are just going to love living with blacks in the hood on welfare.

    living with blacks in the hood on welfare.

    Only a problem if you depend on the police to protect you. If you live in a religious community with masses of children you have all the back up you need. Actually they might resent having to pay taxes to support expensive useless police to protect you from ghetto blacks.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Actually they might resent having to pay taxes to support expensive useless police to protect you from ghetto blacks."

    If a Muslim family is living in the hood and on welfare they are not paying taxes. They are a drain on the economy.
  78. bomag says:
    @Pat Casey
    Sorry this bugged me bad so I had to back up.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/trumps-victory-as-reaction-to-the-white-death/#new_comments

    So what the data nerds found for the Economist seemed like a pretty brilliant find, but inferred one total flaw. To rehash, the argument is that the voters who voted for Trump more than Romney the most, and in that respect won Trump the election --- strictly speaking, The Trump Voters--- these folks turn out to be indicated as a whole most of all by badly taking care of themselves fundamentally. They are identified by county, so that the less healthy the county is on average, the more that county voted for Trump than Romney, the less for Trump the more healthy the county. BUT SEE NOW, the data nerds say what the logic would not seem to allow, namely the precise improvement in public health by which Trump would have lost to Hillary.


    According to our model, if diabetes were just 7% less prevalent in Michigan, Mr Trump would have gained 0.3 fewer percentage points there, enough to swing the state back to the Democrats. Similarly, if an additional 8% of people in Pennsylvania engaged in regular physical activity, and heavy drinking in Wisconsin were 5% lower, Mrs Clinton would be set to enter the White House. But such counter-factual predictions are always impossible to test. There is no way to rerun the election with healthier voters and compare the results.
     
    I don't think the rules should allow that model to be used. But the last person on ISteve who should make this point might be me, but since no one else did I felt compelled, otherwise my dumb opinion is all models are wrong.

    The problem is not that the counterfactuals are pure fanciful speculation. The problem is that posing those counterfactual is a deal breaker I think we should. The causal relationship between the public health of a county and Trumps share of its vote is as we know only a limited explanation of a pattern that appears next to Romney's vote share and therefore does not apply to Hillary's vote share at all. In other words, the assumption of the model is not that Trump beat Hillary just the way he did because of the way Romney lost to Obama; the assumption was constricted to saying that the county by county difference between Romney and Trump can best be accounted for by the public health statistics of the given county. That's one interesting way of understanding why Trump won and Romney did not. But its not a way designed to understand why Hillary lost at all. No deal was made between her and the public health statistics. Anyways what those statistics say about why Trump won when no one thought he would should probably be explored more.

    We all know this and thats why I had to say it.


    In other words, as I’ve pointed out before, Trump voters tended to be civic-minded individuals doing okay themselves, but concerned about the trouble in their overlooked communities.
     
    The Economist does a good job, the White Death was the necessary supplement, given the public health index does not include categories for suicide and drug addiction; if the figures were more recent than 2012 perhaps it would, 2011-2012 kinda seems to be when good state governments really got serious about prevention and monitoring the rates--- the continuous rapid rise in drug deaths that I saw for example for Ohio are startling. The townhall back in February where Kasich hugged the kid who up and emoted he'd been messed up over a suicide close to him, well a couple months after that Kasich started a prevention program. The kid's display was hard to watch it really was, and I think a moment like that has a queer effect on an average guy forever, which is why it might deserves to be said, that the kid really did sacrificed himself for the good thing that followed, and he probably doesn't understand that at all. Now that I guess it can be said who most of all won it for Trump, there would seem to me to be mighty good reasons to stand on the fact that whites with no college were less decisive than the voters that likely are the least healthy. Probably he doesn't, but Trump should take that fact to heart, if the mandate thing bothers him. Provided the data holds up, methinks what the turnout of those folks will really mean when the definitive story gets told approaches profound, but will need the hack's prefab eloquence to unmake the premise about the mandate Trump missed, missed so that the hardknock folk could win the thing outnumbered.

    if diabetes were just 7% less prevalent in Michigan, Mr Trump would have gained 0.3 fewer percentage points there…

    The implication here is that health stats deteriorated enough in the last four years to bring out suffering voters for Trump, and if the stats had stayed the same from four years ago, then Trump would have gotten the same support as Romney.

    There is also the “wake-up” effect, where health has been slowly declining for awhile, but this election the unhealthy woke up and decided to vote about it.

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  79. George says:

    “outbreeding nonmuslims” and conversions

    How 100,000 Britons have chosen to become Muslim… and average convert is 27-year-old white woman

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html#ixzz4QvqTTUZD
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    How 100,000 Britons have chosen to become Muslim… and average convert is 27-year-old white woman
     
    That is a cumulative total. It is around 5000 a year. I'm surprised it is not a whole lot more in a country of 65 million.
  80. bomag says:
    @Jefferson
    "Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation"

    Because Muslims were assimilating so well before Donald Trump announced he was running for POTUS, the Muslims were the new Irish and Italians. Before Donald Trump announced he was running for POTUS Americans had an extremely hard time telling Muslim women apart from Irish & Italian women because they dress so similar to each other.

    Because Muslims were assimilating so well before…

    Thanks for making that point.

    So many people argue from fear: “I know the lions are eating half our children, but let’s not do anything to upset them lest they eat the other half.”

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  81. bomag says:
    @KSM
    It is a race . Can the West assimilate the Muslims to Eurotrash decadence and infertility (western civ) faster than the Muslims turn the Westerners into fertile religionist identitarians. In Israel, religious orthodoxy and fertility is exploding and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage. That re-awakening, plus WMDs, and the willingness to use them, is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype. In a bronze age battlefield, Europe would already be in ruins.

    That re-awakening… is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype.

    As we are fond to quote here: demography is destiny.

    But to wave a victory banner atop an overpopulated planet would be a Pyrrhic victory. The womb is capable of generating any number of bodies, even unto total dysfunction.

    At some point one HAS to defend a border. Right now it seems obvious to protect the borders around your house and gated (“gated”) community; it would be kind of nice if the country as a whole would see the light.

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  82. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    He said the terror attacks were good, but the “practical” way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims.
     
    If only there was someway to stop this, without restricting immigration, because we are a nation of immigrants and there is a plaque that says something about "huddled masses" on the statue of liberty. It would be a betrayal of our founding principles of religious toleration and pluralism to prevent Khalid and his friends from coming here and imposing Sharia.

    It would be a betrayal of our founding principles of religious toleration and pluralism to prevent Khalid and his friends from coming here and imposing Sharia.

    I fully expect Congress will soon mandate that new religions be created and new people selected and bred to replace the current ones.

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  83. bomag says:
    @black sea
    It's not really clear how much you can trust former CIA contractors who are trying to write saleable books.

    Plenty of other Muslim leaders have indicated the same strategy.

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  84. bomag says:
    @Yak-15
    What is it we are defending?

    Other than not being able to drink alcohol I fail to see the downsides of Islam for men in the US. Of course, we would prefer not to have Islamic populations.

    I fail to see the downsides of Islam for men in the US.

    I notice that any Muslim of power, influence, and wealth certainly doesn’t live a “Muslim” life.

    It is just another form of political correctness to keep the people down.

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    I notice that any Muslim of power, influence, and wealth certainly doesn’t live a “Muslim” life.

    That's not exclusive to Muslims! Power corrupts.
  85. @Hubbub

    Burma is perhaps the best example of why multi-culturalism does not work
     
    And the United States is next-best example itself.

    Switzerland an example of multi-culti that works? They have cantons unique to each group, so that while the country as a whole may be at peace, the peoples live for the most part in cantons filled with their own.

    Even in Switzerland, there were minor acts of terrorism as late as the 1960s in the Jura area, which at that time was part of the large German-speaking canton that included Berne. A separate French-speaking canton was created to calm things down. Another factor holding Switzerland together is that no French-speaking Swiss wants to be French, no German-speaking Swiss wants to be German, and no Italian-speaking Swiss wants to be Italian. Nice situation if you can arrange it, but it seems unique to Switzerland.

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  86. @Almost Missouri
    So basically, Al Qaeda's grand strategy = leftism?

    That is, leftism for us while they practice a form of rightism for themselves.

    Which come to think of it, is pretty much what the leftists do.

    “So basically, Al Qaeda’s grand strategy = leftism?

    That is, leftism for us while they practice a form of rightism for themselves.

    Which come to think of it, is pretty much what the leftists do.”

    And exactly what diaspora Jews do with regard to the countries they’re living in and Israel.

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  87. Jason Liu says:
    @Anon
    Consider the Islamic "Rohingya"

    Myanmar/Burma is a Buddhist country which borders Bangladesh. Bengali immigrants have migrated into Burma.

    Since the 1990s, a new 'Rohingya' movement which is distinct from the 1950s armed rebellion has emerged. The new movement is characterized by lobbying internationally by overseas diaspora, establishing indigenous claims by Rohingya scholars, publicizing the term "Rohingya" and denying Bengali origins by Rohingya politicians.
     
    The history is a mess, but there is a lot of evidence that they are relatively recent migrants, and that they are using international public opinion to gain status as a protected minority class. And use that to 'outbreed' the Buddhists.

    Myanmar has a population of 54 million (2009 est.), of which 90% profess Theravada Buddhism (roughly 48 million), 4% Christianity (1.65 million Baptists and 550,000 Roman Catholics), 4% Islam (2.2 million), 1% Hinduism (550,000), and the remaining 1% consists of Mahayana Buddhism, Vajrayana Buddhism and Animism.
     
    The critical issue is this: Burma/Myanmar is a significant country that has surprisingly (shockingly) transformed itself from a totalitarian military dictatorship to a fledgling democracy. Based, in part, on US support. Aung San Suu Kyi is considered the de facto leader after a multi decade, epic struggle. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/world/asia/myanmar-sanctions-economy-us.html
    However, there is growing pressure to label the Rohingya problem as a genocide, which would effectively negate our success. In fact, it is thought by many people dealing with the issue that the label 'genocide' is decidedly unhelpful. Another analyst who asked not to be identified, in a telephone interview, said:

    "If you want to find a genocide, you will find a genocide. We should be careful when using this terminology; it used to be that this term was used for an exceptional thing."
     
    The New York Times has published editorials favoring the Rohingya narrative.
    I don't claim to understand the problem. However, this is a great opportunity for the United States to do nothing. Nothing is an under appreciated policy. Lets hope Trump finds more promising problems to worry about.

    The NYT only cares about Rohingya because they happen to be one of the west’s protected minorities. If they were Christians it wouldn’t be on the news.

    I for one find their presence a blight on an otherwise religiously harmonious region, and would support the Chinese government in aiding our Burmese allies to expel the Rohingya to Pakistan, or wherever.

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    I disagree because I know where they'll end up.
  88. @anon
    Switzerland has homogenous ethno-sectarian cantons precisely because they used to constantly fight.

    The Flemish have been trying to separate for years - blocked by the EU.

    Singapore has a law to keep the Chinese at 75% of the population.

    Singapore was once part of Malaysia but separated due to racial and religious tensions between Malays and Chinese.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/History_of_Singapore#Singapore_in_Malaysia_.281963.E2.80.931965.29

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  89. countenance says: • Website

    KSM admitted a long time ago that the gang wanted to do terrorist attacks in Japan during the time that it co-hosted the 2002 Soccer World Cup with South Korea, but gave up on the idea because, thanks to Japan’s strict immigration laws, it couldn’t get a sufficient ground network going and established within Japan.

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    Unfortunately, Japan is on the brink now.

    Back in June, I predicted Abe would be remembered as the Invade/Invite PM:

    Everyone who thinks Japan is strongly anti-immigration is in for a big disappointment... Abe will be recognized in the future as the Invade/Invite PM.
     
    Now hear this:

    Japan to offer 1-year path to permanent residency

    ...calls for Japan to issue green cards to top-level personnel at time frames on a par with the speediest issuing nations. ...

    ...2,688 foreigners deemed highly skilled as of the end of June this year. Chinese nationals make up 65% of that group.

    ...

    Japan is looking to make itself more attractive to highly trained professionals by shortening the residency requirement. However, the language barrier remains a handicap. Many are calling for the government to provide tax-based support for international schools that educate children of foreign professionals.
     
    , @Jefferson
    "KSM admitted a long time ago that the gang wanted to do terrorist attacks in Japan during the time that it co-hosted the 2002 Soccer World Cup with South Korea, but gave up on the idea because, thanks to Japan’s strict immigration laws, it couldn’t get a sufficient ground network going and established within Japan."

    I am extremely shocked that the Japanese government does not want to mass import a desert pedophile religion into their country. The Japanese government are a basket of deplorables. There are no safe spaces for Muslim terrorists in Japan. What does the cast of Hamilton think of the Japanese government?

  90. George says:
    @Almost Missouri
    So basically, Al Qaeda's grand strategy = leftism?

    That is, leftism for us while they practice a form of rightism for themselves.

    Which come to think of it, is pretty much what the leftists do.

    So basically, Al Qaeda’s grand strategy = leftism?

    ‘Jackal’ book praises Bin Laden

    Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, aka Carlos the Jackal Sanchez is serving a life sentence One of the world’s best-known terrorists of the 1970s and 1980s has written a book lauding the man suspected of masterminding the 11 September 2001 attacks on the United States.

    Carlos the Jackal, whose real name is Illich Ramirez Sanchez, praises Osama Bin Laden’s “shining” example in a selection of writings from his prison cell in France which went on sale on Thursday.

    A convert to Islam since his imprisonment for three murders, Sanchez preaches “revolutionary Islam” – which is the title of his book – as the new, post-Communist answer to what he calls US “totalitarianism”.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3022358.stm

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  91. SMK says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    He said the terror attacks were good, but the “practical” way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims.
     
    If only there was someway to stop this, without restricting immigration, because we are a nation of immigrants and there is a plaque that says something about "huddled masses" on the statue of liberty. It would be a betrayal of our founding principles of religious toleration and pluralism to prevent Khalid and his friends from coming here and imposing Sharia.

    I assume you’re being satirical.

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  92. Yak-15 says:
    @Hubbub

    Burma is perhaps the best example of why multi-culturalism does not work
     
    And the United States is next-best example itself.

    Switzerland an example of multi-culti that works? They have cantons unique to each group, so that while the country as a whole may be at peace, the peoples live for the most part in cantons filled with their own.

    I think he was joking about the Swiss

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  93. At today’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade the NYPD is using sand filled trucks to protect the parade from terrorist attacks like Nice. Something that, along with having to take your shoes and belt off at the airport and wait three hours to go through security, wouldn’t be necessary but for the presence of Muslims in the U.S.

    In spite of that, a Happy Thanksgiving to Steve and all the other Americans here. I’m cautiously optimistic for the first time in years that brighter days lay ahead.

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  94. SMK says: • Website
    @GSR
    1) we are not a "nation of immigrants", 2) immigration is not one of our founding principles. Where do you get this garbage from? You've been mis-educated.

    The Statue of Liberty was given to the USA from France during 1876 centennial. It had nothing to do with immigration; it was a celebration of liberty. Only in the early 20th century, after some twenty years of mass immigration, did a Jewish poet write the words that were put on a plaque and attached to the SoL.

    I assume he’s being satirical.

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  95. biz says:
    @KSM
    Trump's election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity in the USA but more importantly globally and in Europe where the Muslim population is actually significant. This, together with a One State solution (annexation of the West Bank) and resulting Jim Crow measures will have far reaching consequences for the region and Western Europe. It is also important to recognize the social liberalism of the Likud Vegas -Macao Hollywood networks tied to the City of London and their consequential emasculation of the social right in America. The Macao casino boss Adelson failed twice to elect a President, but in Trump he finally attains victory. This will be seen as a historic milestone in the evolution of the United States multicultural democracy. And its not apparent that the so called altright will be pleased .

    Trump’s election affirming his rhetoric about Muslim bans and registry , along with the Likudniks around him and their continuing influence, will most likely result in a decrease in Muslim assimilation and an increase in Muslim identity

    I know, right?

    Last year I was having a conversation with a Muslimah in anytown USA, where she told me that she was all set to wear mini-skirts and lipstick and concentrate on her career, maybe marrying in her late 30s, but then Trump announced his candidacy and like an uncontrollable force of nature she was compelled to decide to put that away, put on a burka, and be the obedient fourth wife of a part-time cab driver, pumping out at least 10 of his 40 kids.

    That Muslim assimilation was going so well before Trump and those Likudniks messed it all up!!

    I mean just look at the Banieulles, and those Buffalo bodega owners:

    Nothing says ‘assimilating well’ like food stamp fraud and shouting “Fuck America” while flipping off the camera.

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  96. Yak-15 says:
    @415 reasons
    The mind numbing boredom of life lived under a totalitarian religion that stopped accumulating knowledge in 7th century Arabia? Some of us are interested in you know, science, knowledge, technology, pursuits of the mind beyond drowning infidels in a cage and stoning women and homosexuals to death and memorizing the gibberish written from the rantings of an illiterate holy man 1300 years ago.

    Sorry if I just took the bait on a troll...

    Seriously, what aspects of post modern society are we really proud of aside from technology? All I hear and see is that white males are the worst and our society is wretched and grating on POCs. Why are we defending this?

    The other day I was dining with my wife’s family and her sister mentioned how she wouldn’t travel in Latin America without a male companion or a group. I mentioned it was great to live in a society built and ran by white men as a cutting jib to her imbecilic liberalism. She scoffed about privilege and not judging foriegn cultures.

    This is what we are defending – the complete and utter lack of appreciation for our society, our culture and our way of life. I say f*ck them. Time to make my harem great again. Time to buy into the totalitarian ideologogy and run out the detractors.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    Time to make my harem great again.
     
    This is really it. The battle started long ago.
  97. Ivy says:

    Steve and Ron,
    Do you monitor columns to see which ones are more controversial based on share of comments by anonymous, anon, etc, of course excluding known posters like Priss/Anon? Some topics seem to induce more off-handle replies. That share, whether number, percent, replies or threads could represent a type of heat map for use in gauging topics for any compilations and trend stats.

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  98. @countenance
    KSM admitted a long time ago that the gang wanted to do terrorist attacks in Japan during the time that it co-hosted the 2002 Soccer World Cup with South Korea, but gave up on the idea because, thanks to Japan's strict immigration laws, it couldn't get a sufficient ground network going and established within Japan.

    Unfortunately, Japan is on the brink now.

    Back in June, I predicted Abe would be remembered as the Invade/Invite PM:

    Everyone who thinks Japan is strongly anti-immigration is in for a big disappointment… Abe will be recognized in the future as the Invade/Invite PM.

    Now hear this:

    Japan to offer 1-year path to permanent residency

    …calls for Japan to issue green cards to top-level personnel at time frames on a par with the speediest issuing nations. …

    …2,688 foreigners deemed highly skilled as of the end of June this year. Chinese nationals make up 65% of that group.

    Japan is looking to make itself more attractive to highly trained professionals by shortening the residency requirement. However, the language barrier remains a handicap. Many are calling for the government to provide tax-based support for international schools that educate children of foreign professionals.

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  99. BB753 says:
    @Lurker
    And what is Adelson supposed to have delivered to Trump exactly? Do we know that his donations were the deal breaker that pushed Trump over the winning line?

    $25 millions, at the very last minute, when Trump’s victory was clear to anybody with half a brain. It’s not even real money for a billionaire like Adelson.

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    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Clinton was a major favorite up to election day as demonstrated by the betting odds.
  100. bomag says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers
     
    That is why the US is not as "at risk" as Europe. If you keep Muslims dispersed, they will integrate over time, and deradicalize. If you keep Muslims out of the job market, don't encourage them to learn the native language, and subsidize ghettos where you pacify them by giving them just enough welfare and education to make life better than their home country, yet strip of them any sense of self-worth, you are creating a time bomb. This seems to be the Swedish model.

    If you keep _______ out of the job market, don’t encourage them to learn the native language, and subsidize ghettos where you pacify them by giving them just enough welfare and education to make life better than their next best opportunity, yet strip of them any sense of self-worth, you are creating a time bomb. This seems to be the Swedish model.

    Well, this the bulk of humanity in the ever encroaching high tech machine future.

    We are back to fundamental questions: why import anyone, especially Muslims?; What is the basic right of anyone to America’s (or Earth’s) resources, especially Muslims? How many Muslims can the World support, especially Muslims?

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  101. Arabs are by not the world champions when it comes to having babies. Instead of thinking about how to outbreed non-muslims muslims should better think about how not to get outbred by Christian Subsaharan Africans

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Lots of black Muslims in Africa. According to the CIA World Factbook, Niger leads the world in Total Fertility Rate: on average, 6.6 kids per woman.

    The country is 80% Muslim according to the same source.
  102. bomag says:
    @George
    “outbreeding nonmuslims” and conversions


    How 100,000 Britons have chosen to become Muslim... and average convert is 27-year-old white woman

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html#ixzz4QvqTTUZD
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    How 100,000 Britons have chosen to become Muslim… and average convert is 27-year-old white woman

    That is a cumulative total. It is around 5000 a year. I’m surprised it is not a whole lot more in a country of 65 million.

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    • Replies: @dfordoom

    That is a cumulative total. It is around 5000 a year. I’m surprised it is not a whole lot more in a country of 65 million.
     
    I suspect that eventually a tipping point will be reached and the number of converts will sky-rocket. Christianity is dead. Liberalism offers nothing but moral squalor and emptiness. For those who want something to believe in Islam is perilously close to being the only remaining option.

    It will certainly be very attractive to women who don't want to live like sluts and who would like to marry men rather than weak pathetic girly-men.
  103. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers
     
    That is why the US is not as "at risk" as Europe. If you keep Muslims dispersed, they will integrate over time, and deradicalize. If you keep Muslims out of the job market, don't encourage them to learn the native language, and subsidize ghettos where you pacify them by giving them just enough welfare and education to make life better than their home country, yet strip of them any sense of self-worth, you are creating a time bomb. This seems to be the Swedish model.

    If you keep Muslims dispersed, they will integrate over time, and deradicalize.

    Nope. Professionals may be dispersed but the rest form enclaves whenever they can.

    If you keep Muslims out of the job market…

    The Swedes don’t keep them out of the job market deliberately. They are stupid plus most of the men can’t deal with women in a position of authority or even equality.

    You have the ones who immigrate via education and thus pre-selected to not be stupid and the rest – who are stupid.

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  104. bomag says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    If any European nations die it will be the same way East Asian countries die, low birth rate. Immigration accelerates the process and makes it harder to reverse. Countries with a low birth rate will ultimately be conquered, one way or another.

    Here is a population calculator, with a birth rate of many Asian and European countries. Keep immigration at zero to see the future native population.

    http://ilkkah.com/population-calculator/#human_age=80&title=&birth_rate=1.45&birth_age=21&immigration=0&start_pop=958000&timespan=733&start_year=2013&pyramid=flat

    If any European nations die it will be the same way East Asian countries die, low birth rate.

    There is significant value in a less crowded life. We should be able to capture some of that value. To just forever have significant population growth to stave off the ethnic hordes clamoring at our borders is a losing proposition. One should be able to opt out of this game of chicken.

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    There is significant value in a less crowded life. We should be able to capture some of that value. To just forever have significant population growth to stave off the ethnic hordes clamoring at our borders is a losing proposition. One should be able to opt out of this game of chicken.
     
    Unfortunately, European and east Asian countries are opting out of the "game of chicken" by crashing their cars into trees. For example, ethnic Germans have a fertility rate of 1.3 in Europe. That is sheer suicide. A country that has a fertility rate of 1.3 for an extended period of time will simply die. It will lose about 3/4 of its population in just 100 years and over 97% in 200 years.

    The European fertility rate is about 1.5. Again, suicidal. One can argue that the fertility rates will eventually increase as land becomes cheaper, but that would probably only save countries that have a higher fertility rate to begin with.

    If I had to make an analogy, it would be like this. A low fertility rate is like a person without a job. If it continues indefinitely, he won't be able to support his family. Relying on low-skilled immigration to make up the deficit is like going to a loan shark to make ends meet. It's going from bad to so much worse.

    Just about every country has a central bank to try to keep prices stable. A stable population is far more important. We should have a central organization that is designed to obtain and sustain a fertility rate over 2 (with some safeguards to prevent it from becoming dysgenic).
  105. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Peter Akuleyev
    The Tsarnaev brothers are a special case. They are Chechens, and Chechens are just bad news. Russia has millions and millions of Muslims, most of whom are quite well integrated into Russian society. It is the Chechens who cause the lion's share of the problems.

    In general it makes little sense to focus on "Muslims" as a problem, it is an ethnic and cultural issue. It is ironic that focusing on religion allows one to argue you aren't being "racist", when probably a little racism or at least cultural prejudice is what is called for. If you want to ban people start with Afghanis who are usually far too primitive to adapt to Western societies, same with Somalis and Chechens. Moroccans and Algerians can be very nasty in France, but that probably has to do with colonial baggage as much as religion. Anatolian Turks don't do that well in Europe, but would integrate better if Erdogan was not allowed to keep financing their radical elements. Educated Iraqis, Egyptians, Turks and Iranians do very well in the US and in Europe and mostly fit in and integrate over time. Syrians are a mixed bag, but the worst of the refugees in Europe seem to be the Afghanis, not the Syrians.

    The average IQ in the middle east is too low to have anything other than a negative effect on western countries.

    They are stupid.

    The only ones that should be considered at all are those who pass some kind of academic hurdle.

    The rest are like importing millions of the dumbest white people.

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  106. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @GSR
    You are correct and take it from me, a resident of Dearbornistan, Michigan for over forty years. When the numbers of Mohammedans grow significant, out come the burkas, the multiple wives and Sharia Law.

    Islam is a totalitarian political ideology (originally) for the Arabs in the desert. It's not for Western culture.

    When the numbers of Mohammedans grow significant, out come the burkas, the multiple wives and Sharia Law.

    Yes. When the numbers are low you don’t see burkas or hear about sharia law etc then when the local tipping point is reached that is all you see and hear.

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  107. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Pakistanis in Britain made absolutely no effort to 'integrate' even when their numbers were small.
    Seeing some of things British society had to offer, one cannot entirely blame them.

    Not true. They didn’t used to go around in burkas. There didn’t used to be sharia patrols etc.

    Quibbling over the word “integrate” is fair enough – you might call it “keeping their head down” if you prefer but the fact is whatever you call it it went into reverse as the numbers increased.

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  108. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    If any European nations die it will be the same way East Asian countries die, low birth rate. Immigration accelerates the process and makes it harder to reverse. Countries with a low birth rate will ultimately be conquered, one way or another.

    Here is a population calculator, with a birth rate of many Asian and European countries. Keep immigration at zero to see the future native population.

    http://ilkkah.com/population-calculator/#human_age=80&title=&birth_rate=1.45&birth_age=21&immigration=0&start_pop=958000&timespan=733&start_year=2013&pyramid=flat

    No – that’s a lie spread by anti-whites.

    If any European nations die it will as a result of betrayal of their borders by people like you.

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    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The vast majority of anti-Semites are so utterly mentally inferior that one wouldn't mind seeing them self-immolate (as they usually do). Unfortunately, they tend to take a lot of good people, Jew and non-Jew, with them.

    The point I made requires basic numeracy skills so it wasn't addressed to creatures like you.
  109. @Yak-15
    Burma is perhaps the best example of why multi-culturalism does not work. The dozens of tribes and ethnicities have been coexisting in the same area for centuries and they still have deadly blood feuds and even wars. Multi-ethnic societies inevitably see strife as a result. It's almost an ironclad law.

    Yes! Burma is a perfect example of where “diversity” gets you. To me, this The Big Issue. Not just in the US but the whole West.

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  110. Fredrik says:
    @Jason Liu
    The NYT only cares about Rohingya because they happen to be one of the west's protected minorities. If they were Christians it wouldn't be on the news.

    I for one find their presence a blight on an otherwise religiously harmonious region, and would support the Chinese government in aiding our Burmese allies to expel the Rohingya to Pakistan, or wherever.

    I disagree because I know where they’ll end up.

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  111. Lurker says:
    @Buck Turgidson
    Tell you what Ms Brabin, you are a stupid naive moron. Do you not understand that if the norms traditions and laws of the West disappear, these 7th century savages will rape you before they kill you? Why don't you pay a nice visit to Yemen Somalia or Saudi Arabia? Do you really think these people change just because they move? This naive stupidity of liberal dunderheads like the Brabin dope is killing the West. Absolute stupidity, and a huge % of the stupid masses have swallowed this narrative from academia and the media.

    Tracy Brabin replaced the murdered Jo Cox as MP. Rather than taking a slightly different tack Brabin appears to be doubling down on her predecessors cucking. After all – hate must not win.

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  112. anonguy says:
    @GSR
    You are correct and take it from me, a resident of Dearbornistan, Michigan for over forty years. When the numbers of Mohammedans grow significant, out come the burkas, the multiple wives and Sharia Law.

    Islam is a totalitarian political ideology (originally) for the Arabs in the desert. It's not for Western culture.

    You are correct and take it from me, a resident of Dearbornistan, Michigan for over forty years. When the numbers of Mohammedans grow significant, out come the burkas, the multiple wives and Sharia Law.

    Islam is a totalitarian political ideology (originally) for the Arabs in the desert. It’s not for Western culture.

    What keeps you in Dearborn? I’m genuinely curious.

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  113. Stan says:

    “Instead, the plan is to fill the country with like-minded Muslims through the country’s easy immigration laws and by having babies, and then using the U.S. legal and welfare system to turn the country into a system like Iran.”

    I stopped reading after this sentence. The statement is nonsense. Al Qaeda is a Sunni terrorist group that wants a state ruled by a Caliph. Al Qaeda regards Iranian shias as heretics and the Iranian government as un-Islamic.

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  114. BenKenobi says:
    @Anon
    Consider the Islamic "Rohingya"

    Myanmar/Burma is a Buddhist country which borders Bangladesh. Bengali immigrants have migrated into Burma.

    Since the 1990s, a new 'Rohingya' movement which is distinct from the 1950s armed rebellion has emerged. The new movement is characterized by lobbying internationally by overseas diaspora, establishing indigenous claims by Rohingya scholars, publicizing the term "Rohingya" and denying Bengali origins by Rohingya politicians.
     
    The history is a mess, but there is a lot of evidence that they are relatively recent migrants, and that they are using international public opinion to gain status as a protected minority class. And use that to 'outbreed' the Buddhists.

    Myanmar has a population of 54 million (2009 est.), of which 90% profess Theravada Buddhism (roughly 48 million), 4% Christianity (1.65 million Baptists and 550,000 Roman Catholics), 4% Islam (2.2 million), 1% Hinduism (550,000), and the remaining 1% consists of Mahayana Buddhism, Vajrayana Buddhism and Animism.
     
    The critical issue is this: Burma/Myanmar is a significant country that has surprisingly (shockingly) transformed itself from a totalitarian military dictatorship to a fledgling democracy. Based, in part, on US support. Aung San Suu Kyi is considered the de facto leader after a multi decade, epic struggle. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/world/asia/myanmar-sanctions-economy-us.html
    However, there is growing pressure to label the Rohingya problem as a genocide, which would effectively negate our success. In fact, it is thought by many people dealing with the issue that the label 'genocide' is decidedly unhelpful. Another analyst who asked not to be identified, in a telephone interview, said:

    "If you want to find a genocide, you will find a genocide. We should be careful when using this terminology; it used to be that this term was used for an exceptional thing."
     
    The New York Times has published editorials favoring the Rohingya narrative.
    I don't claim to understand the problem. However, this is a great opportunity for the United States to do nothing. Nothing is an under appreciated policy. Lets hope Trump finds more promising problems to worry about.

    Super relevant from The Onion (article is even about Myanmar!):

    Genocide Is Such A Harsh Word

    http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/genocide-is-such-a-harsh-word-10797

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  115. Jefferson says:
    @George
    living with blacks in the hood on welfare.

    Only a problem if you depend on the police to protect you. If you live in a religious community with masses of children you have all the back up you need. Actually they might resent having to pay taxes to support expensive useless police to protect you from ghetto blacks.

    “Actually they might resent having to pay taxes to support expensive useless police to protect you from ghetto blacks.”

    If a Muslim family is living in the hood and on welfare they are not paying taxes. They are a drain on the economy.

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  116. Jefferson says:
    @countenance
    KSM admitted a long time ago that the gang wanted to do terrorist attacks in Japan during the time that it co-hosted the 2002 Soccer World Cup with South Korea, but gave up on the idea because, thanks to Japan's strict immigration laws, it couldn't get a sufficient ground network going and established within Japan.

    “KSM admitted a long time ago that the gang wanted to do terrorist attacks in Japan during the time that it co-hosted the 2002 Soccer World Cup with South Korea, but gave up on the idea because, thanks to Japan’s strict immigration laws, it couldn’t get a sufficient ground network going and established within Japan.”

    I am extremely shocked that the Japanese government does not want to mass import a desert pedophile religion into their country. The Japanese government are a basket of deplorables. There are no safe spaces for Muslim terrorists in Japan. What does the cast of Hamilton think of the Japanese government?

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  117. Forbes says:
    @Frayedthread
    This is new news?
    It's their modus operandi everywhere, and not just in the West.

    Now that Trump has been elected, it can be reported. The US doubled the admittance of Muslims after 9/11. Go figure.

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  118. Michaeloh says:

    “Of course, it’s not real clear how much you can trust what people tell you after you’ve been waterboarding them.

    And KSM may have an exaggerated sense of the generosity of American welfare systems relative to Western European welfare.”

    If I recall correctly KSM was said to have given up important and actionable intelligence under water boarding interrogation.

    As for the generosity of our welfare system it may not be as absurd as the W Euros, but it is easily enough gamed that certain sects, i.e. the Mormon sect led by Norman Jeffries, found it easy to seriously supplement their legitimate income with various forms of welfare.

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  119. Ken says:
    @whorefinder
    The war of the cradle.

    It's funny how the old Catholic Church's rules about not using birth control and going forth and multiplying are still pretty good battle tactics even today. And sad the Church in America isn't emphasizing these teachings anymore.

    It used to be a Jewish principle as well. All Prots were open to large families until Lambeth in 1930?
    Evangelicals and trad Catholics will repopulate while the mainline Prots and lib Catholics die off.

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  120. ken says:
    @snorlax
    Only the Mexicans and maybe the Filipinos would listen nowadays.

    Mexico’s TFR is 2.25, barely at replacement. Even Philippines is down to 3.

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  121. Svigor says:

    People knock Islam because doing so is more PC than rrrrracism!!!, but I think it’s just an HBD thing. The typical response is that Islam causes trouble wherever it is found, but that’s probably an HBD thing, too; problematic HBD gravitates to Islam (which does mean Islam is still problematic, but I think you get my drift).

    KSM says:
    November 24, 2016 at 12:26 am GMT • 200 Words

    It seems the real KSM disagrees with you.

    Old Testament plural marriage

    Welcome to Euphemism City.

    This is new news?
    It’s their modus operandi everywhere, and not just in the West.

    It’s news to Democrats. Cankles said Trump was doing their work for them, remember?

    If MSM called Breitbart ‘fake news’, can we call MSM the ‘hoax media’?

    I’m warming to the term, “Fake Media.” And so soon after I’d settled on “Big Media.”

    KSM’s actions resulted in the Sunnis losing Iraq permanently, after ruling it for centuries.

    How does this “permanently” thing work?

    It’s not really clear how much you can trust former CIA contractors who are trying to write saleable books.

    Yes, breeding like rabbits in our territory, then voting in sharia? People who fly planes into buildings and strap on suicide bombs would never stoop so low.

    Peter Akuleyev says:

    November 24, 2016 at 11:04 am GMT • 200 Words

    You got Rube Goldberg on speed dial? Keep them out, run them out. Far simpler.

    This line by the NPR reporter was apparently written with a straight face: “Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait.”

    Haha yeah, their needs are already well-served by Big Media.

    GSR
    says:

    November 24, 2016 at 11:30 am GMT • 100 Words</blockquote.

    I was going to tell you to give your sarcometer a nudge, but your comment was so bad, I have to wonder if it's mine that needs the diagnostic.

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    People knock Islam because doing so is more PC than rrrrracism!!!, but I think it’s just an HBD thing. The typical response is that Islam causes trouble wherever it is found, but that’s probably an HBD thing, too; problematic HBD gravitates to Islam (which does mean Islam is still problematic, but I think you get my drift).
     
    No, the problem is Islam, much more than HBD. The Chechens are at least as psychotic and violent as all the other Muslims, but because they're white they're also, pound-for-pound, by far the most dangerous.

    The black Christians of South Sudan have repeatedly kicked the asses of the quasi-Arab mulattoes in the northern part. Any time you look at two roughly equivalent groups: Indians and Pakistanis, Muslim and Christian Arabs, Ethiopians and Somalis, Greeks and Albanians, Russians and Chechens, Chinese and Malays, and so on, the difference is night and day.

    And the HBD stuff and Islam are intimately related. The Egyptians, Iraqis, Turks and Iranians, not very long ago at all in the history of our species, had the greatest and most sophisticated civilizations and centers of learning in the world. Those among them who didn't or didn't seriously adopt Islam remain amongst the most accomplished and civilized people on Earth.

    Those who did go whole-hog for Islam have, following 1300 years of polygamous cousin marriage, created a breed of homicidal halfwits, The Hills Have Eyes-style.

  122. NOTA says:
    @KSM
    It is a race . Can the West assimilate the Muslims to Eurotrash decadence and infertility (western civ) faster than the Muslims turn the Westerners into fertile religionist identitarians. In Israel, religious orthodoxy and fertility is exploding and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage. That re-awakening, plus WMDs, and the willingness to use them, is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype. In a bronze age battlefield, Europe would already be in ruins.

    Well, that or a willingness to hire a few border guards.

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  123. NOTA says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    In my experience Muslim integration (at least at the more blue collar level) is almost entirely a function of numbers
     
    That is why the US is not as "at risk" as Europe. If you keep Muslims dispersed, they will integrate over time, and deradicalize. If you keep Muslims out of the job market, don't encourage them to learn the native language, and subsidize ghettos where you pacify them by giving them just enough welfare and education to make life better than their home country, yet strip of them any sense of self-worth, you are creating a time bomb. This seems to be the Swedish model.

    We also probably get a better selection of Muslim immigrants into the US–lots of doctors and engineers and such. They’re not inclined to form a resentful underclass, and besides, that ecological niche is already occupied.

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    "We also probably get a better selection of Muslim immigrants into the US"

    Yes we do get a better selection of Muslim immigrants into The U.S like the Muslim woman in Louisiana who fabricated a fake hate crime that she was robbed at gunpoint by White Donald Trump supporters and the Muslim terrorists in San Bernardino.

    "They’re not inclined to form a resentful underclass,"

    I 100 percent disagree. In The U.S Muslims voted for Crooked Hildabeast at an even higher percentage than Jews did. The fact that Muslims identify with the party of The Coalition Of The Fringes means Muslims are extremely resentful of White America. Muslims in The U.S favor open borders.

    , @The most deplorable one
    So what happened to all those wealthy second-generation Muslims in Europe who went in for Jihad trips to the Middle East?

    They regressed to the mean, and that is why you don't want them here.

    Then, what about this guy:

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/buffalo.beheading/index.html

  124. NOTA says:

    Remember that sequence of once-a-month terrorism scares early in the war on terror–the terrorists were going to set off a dirty bomb…no, they were going to poison the water supply…no, wait, they were going to burn down some buildings….

    As best I can tell, that was the result of torturing a bunch of prisoners–keep up the waterboarding, rubber hoses, or electrodes on the nuts long enough, and you can get people to say whatever you want. In the past, people managed to get women to confess to sexual congress with the devil in the same way. (Spoiler alert: They didn’t really f-ck the devil, nor successfully hex anyone’s cow.).

    If his interrogators wanted to hear about demographic conquest, I’m sure he obliged. For that matter, if they wanted him to confess to being Jack the Ripper and Santa Claus, I’m sure he confessed to that, too. Though if they were planning on demographic conquest, wouldn’t it have been smarter for KSM to marry and have some kids, instead of trying to fly planes into buildings? (Assuming he was involved–since the whole ruling class closed ranks to agree he must never get a trial, I have no idea whether he was really the 20th hijacker, or was just some loser they picked up and beat a confession out of.)

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  125. Anonym says:
    @ben tillman

    My sister works with a guy from Yemen and he has 5 kids with his shrouded wife. He wants another wife so he can have more children. Where will the money to support these children come from? Why the welfare system of course! so not only will they outbreed us but we’ll be paying for it.

    Reason number 210 why I oppose a welfare state.
     
    That's not reason number one?

    A welfare state gradually weakens. After several generations of welfare families, both the culture and the genetics optimizes for the welfare life and not for the working life. Then given the choice between an immigrant and the lazy local welfare guy, there is no choice. Even without the immigrant, a country is the sum of the human capital. When you have lots of indolent useless parasites draining the productive people because feelz, the country as a whole is less competitive.

    But now with immigrants it is the beginning of the end. Welfare state, immigration, pick one.

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    "But now with immigrants it is the beginning of the end. Welfare state, immigration, pick one."

    Crooked Hildabeast's uninformed voters believe we can have both open borders and a welfare state side by side last forever because The U.S government can just print more money.
  126. Jefferson says:
    @NOTA
    We also probably get a better selection of Muslim immigrants into the US--lots of doctors and engineers and such. They're not inclined to form a resentful underclass, and besides, that ecological niche is already occupied.

    “We also probably get a better selection of Muslim immigrants into the US”

    Yes we do get a better selection of Muslim immigrants into The U.S like the Muslim woman in Louisiana who fabricated a fake hate crime that she was robbed at gunpoint by White Donald Trump supporters and the Muslim terrorists in San Bernardino.

    “They’re not inclined to form a resentful underclass,”

    I 100 percent disagree. In The U.S Muslims voted for Crooked Hildabeast at an even higher percentage than Jews did. The fact that Muslims identify with the party of The Coalition Of The Fringes means Muslims are extremely resentful of White America. Muslims in The U.S favor open borders.

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  127. Anonym says:
    @bomag

    I fail to see the downsides of Islam for men in the US.
     
    I notice that any Muslim of power, influence, and wealth certainly doesn't live a "Muslim" life.

    It is just another form of political correctness to keep the people down.

    I notice that any Muslim of power, influence, and wealth certainly doesn’t live a “Muslim” life.

    That’s not exclusive to Muslims! Power corrupts.

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Of course not. Life is too much fun to adhere to 7th century ideology. Booze, bacon and broads are too awesome to give up.

    I am more furious with the lack of gratitude from the modern left about our society and culture. Particularly leftish women.

    Literally everything great about our society and everything they hold dear from drinkable tap water to democracy to cellular telephones are due to white men. I don't think WN is the way to go, but complete a lack of awareness is helping aid mass low-IQ immigration and it's going to pull down all of us.

  128. @NOTA
    We also probably get a better selection of Muslim immigrants into the US--lots of doctors and engineers and such. They're not inclined to form a resentful underclass, and besides, that ecological niche is already occupied.

    So what happened to all those wealthy second-generation Muslims in Europe who went in for Jihad trips to the Middle East?

    They regressed to the mean, and that is why you don’t want them here.

    Then, what about this guy:

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/buffalo.beheading/index.html

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    • Replies: @anon

    So what happened to all those wealthy second-generation Muslims in Europe who went in for Jihad trips to the Middle East?
     
    The original point was that in places like Sweden Muslims were being kept out of the job market. They're not - they're just stupid and can't be around women.

    The reason why Sweden has it worse than the US - apart from numbers - is they have a relatively strict immigration policy but a very lax refugee policy so they mostly got dummies. Until recently the US got a higher percentage of educated people and less refugees so plain stupidity has been less of an issue.
  129. Jefferson says:
    @Anonym
    A welfare state gradually weakens. After several generations of welfare families, both the culture and the genetics optimizes for the welfare life and not for the working life. Then given the choice between an immigrant and the lazy local welfare guy, there is no choice. Even without the immigrant, a country is the sum of the human capital. When you have lots of indolent useless parasites draining the productive people because feelz, the country as a whole is less competitive.

    But now with immigrants it is the beginning of the end. Welfare state, immigration, pick one.

    “But now with immigrants it is the beginning of the end. Welfare state, immigration, pick one.”

    Crooked Hildabeast’s uninformed voters believe we can have both open borders and a welfare state side by side last forever because The U.S government can just print more money.

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  130. Corvinus says:
    @whorefinder
    The war of the cradle.

    It's funny how the old Catholic Church's rules about not using birth control and going forth and multiplying are still pretty good battle tactics even today. And sad the Church in America isn't emphasizing these teachings anymore.

    “It’s funny how the old Catholic Church’s rules about not using birth control and going forth and multiplying are still pretty good battle tactics even today. And sad the Church in America isn’t emphasizing these teachings anymore.”

    Ironic that you make this statement, given your own penchant for “pumping and dumping” and not contributing to the vitality of the white race with your own progeny, compliments of a committed relationship. Sad, indeed, that you don’t adhere to those beliefs, yet call others out for their own misdeeds.

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  131. Corvinus says:
    @Random Dude on the Internet
    Our modern society would rather women "lean in" and work 60 hour workweeks so they can live in overpriced apartments, date through Tinder, and spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments when they're in their late 30s.

    “Our modern society would rather women “lean in” and work 60 hour workweeks so they can live in overpriced apartments, date through Tinder, and spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments when they’re in their late 30s.”

    So, how are YOU contributing to ensuring the vitality of the white race? Have you sufficiently bred with a white woman and sired 5-8 offspring?

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  132. bomag says:
    @Yak-15
    Seriously, what aspects of post modern society are we really proud of aside from technology? All I hear and see is that white males are the worst and our society is wretched and grating on POCs. Why are we defending this?

    The other day I was dining with my wife's family and her sister mentioned how she wouldn't travel in Latin America without a male companion or a group. I mentioned it was great to live in a society built and ran by white men as a cutting jib to her imbecilic liberalism. She scoffed about privilege and not judging foriegn cultures.

    This is what we are defending - the complete and utter lack of appreciation for our society, our culture and our way of life. I say f*ck them. Time to make my harem great again. Time to buy into the totalitarian ideologogy and run out the detractors.

    Time to make my harem great again.

    This is really it. The battle started long ago.

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  133. @anon
    No - that's a lie spread by anti-whites.

    If any European nations die it will as a result of betrayal of their borders by people like you.

    The vast majority of anti-Semites are so utterly mentally inferior that one wouldn’t mind seeing them self-immolate (as they usually do). Unfortunately, they tend to take a lot of good people, Jew and non-Jew, with them.

    The point I made requires basic numeracy skills so it wasn’t addressed to creatures like you.

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    The point I made requires basic numeracy skills
     
    your point was

    Here is a population calculator, with a birth rate of many Asian and European countries. Keep immigration at zero to see the future native population.
     
    which says a population with a below replacement TFR of say 1.5 and no immigration will tend to zero, extinction.

    TFR is an average, some women will have zero, some will have four so if we assume there is a genetic component to TFR (maternal instinct, religiosity etc) then the women who have four will be passing them on to their daughters and the women who have zero - won't.

    So without immigration the TFR would gradually level off over time.

    #

    Secondly if we assume a population who have a genetic predisposition to want to save a surplus for emergencies such that

    TFR ~ child cost + emergency surplus

    then if mass immigration stagnates income and increases housing costs then mass immigration itself reduces native TFR in proportion to that genetic predisposition.

    #

    so as i said, the TFR argument is used as gas-lighting by the sort of people who desire the destruction of other people's nations by opening their borders.
    , @ben tillman

    The point I made requires basic numeracy skills so it wasn’t addressed to creatures like you.
     
    The term you're looking for is "innumeracy skills". And you've got 'em in spades.
  134. @Erik Sieven
    Arabs are by not the world champions when it comes to having babies. Instead of thinking about how to outbreed non-muslims muslims should better think about how not to get outbred by Christian Subsaharan Africans

    Lots of black Muslims in Africa. According to the CIA World Factbook, Niger leads the world in Total Fertility Rate: on average, 6.6 kids per woman.

    The country is 80% Muslim according to the same source.

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  135. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    https://www.facebook.com/jozef.salva/posts/1807863489241239

    People respond well to Strong, Firm, and Nice.

    But not to Weak, Apologetic, and Nice.

    Sweden is certainly Nice to its newcomers(invaders), but its spineless, self-effacing, and apologetic attitude win no respect, especially if the newcomers come from rough and aggressive cultures.

    Humans are organisms and always seek mastery over the weak and wimpy.

    The irony of the New European Problem is Europeans always remind themselves that WWII happened because spineless and weak-willed democracies appeased Hitler who had no use for reciprocity and mutuality.

    Being nice is nice, but it has to be backed up by strength. Also, niceness should not be wasted on those who see it as weakness and take advantage. (Gaddafi found out the hard way when he dropped his guard to the West. West is funny. It is weak-willed to Muslims who enter the West but ruthless and murderous to Muslims in the MENA.)

    Reagan and Gorbachev worked well together because both were men of good will. Gorbachev really meant peace, and when Reagan understood this, he made it easy for Gorbachev to close the curtain on the Cold War.

    In contrast, even though some of Hitler’s demands were valid and legit, he was not someone that should have been dealt with nicely and ‘appeased’ because he always regarded good will as weakness-to-exploit.
    Same with Khrushchev and Mao. After Stalin’s heavy-handed treatment of China, it was understandable that Khrushy wanted to make nice and start a new chapter with China. But he totally misread Mao who was just as vile and opportunistic as Stalin. What Khrushy offered as niceness was seen as weakness by Mao. In the end, Khrushy got bitter, and relations between the two nations got far worse than if Khrushy had treated Mao coldly from the beginning.

    This goes to show that the Politics of Niceness is always conditional.
    Always know the nature/character of those you are dealing with. This goes for world leaders and ethnic groups with different ‘national characters’.
    Some groups are more respectful, polite, and good-willed. Others are more cunning, opportunistic, and arrogant. Offering niceness to Finns and Gypsies will lead to very different results. Finns will likely appreciate and reciprocate. Gypsies will just see weakness and try to steal and much as possible.

    PC made Swedes and so many Europeans stupid. They are now so afraid of ‘racism’ that the idea that different peoples might have different ‘national characters’, values, attitudes, and abilities is anathema to them AGAINST ALL EVIDENCE SO NAKEDLY OBVIOUS TO THE EYE.
    So, Europe should welcome all peoples from around the world with the conviction that there is no difference among Englishmen, Poles, Cameroonians, Chinese, Iranians, Pakistanis, Jews, Arabs, Nigerians, Somalis, etc.

    Some Swedes might see it as a cultural problem that can be corrected through acculturation and assimilation, but Multi-Culturalism says white culture sucks and has no right to tell non-whites what to do(except worship the Holocaust and wave the homo flag, neither of which appeals to Muslims and Africans).
    Also, with so much of European culture now globalized with rap music, Hollywood, and Negro-Homo-mania, what are newcomers supposed to assimilate to? Swedish imitation of rap and Euro-jungle-fever? That stuff only makes the newcomers even more barbaric than they were back home. Somalis are bad enough. But Somalis imitating American rappers is hell on earth.

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  136. @bomag

    If any European nations die it will be the same way East Asian countries die, low birth rate.
     
    There is significant value in a less crowded life. We should be able to capture some of that value. To just forever have significant population growth to stave off the ethnic hordes clamoring at our borders is a losing proposition. One should be able to opt out of this game of chicken.

    There is significant value in a less crowded life. We should be able to capture some of that value. To just forever have significant population growth to stave off the ethnic hordes clamoring at our borders is a losing proposition. One should be able to opt out of this game of chicken.

    Unfortunately, European and east Asian countries are opting out of the “game of chicken” by crashing their cars into trees. For example, ethnic Germans have a fertility rate of 1.3 in Europe. That is sheer suicide. A country that has a fertility rate of 1.3 for an extended period of time will simply die. It will lose about 3/4 of its population in just 100 years and over 97% in 200 years.

    The European fertility rate is about 1.5. Again, suicidal. One can argue that the fertility rates will eventually increase as land becomes cheaper, but that would probably only save countries that have a higher fertility rate to begin with.

    If I had to make an analogy, it would be like this. A low fertility rate is like a person without a job. If it continues indefinitely, he won’t be able to support his family. Relying on low-skilled immigration to make up the deficit is like going to a loan shark to make ends meet. It’s going from bad to so much worse.

    Just about every country has a central bank to try to keep prices stable. A stable population is far more important. We should have a central organization that is designed to obtain and sustain a fertility rate over 2 (with some safeguards to prevent it from becoming dysgenic).

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    • Replies: @anon

    The European fertility rate is about 1.5. Again, suicidal.
     
    If low birth rates are suicidal then is encouraging low birth rates genocidal?

    Just about every country has a central bank to try to keep prices stable.
     
    To rob the population by inflating the currency.

    #

    The two things are are related because the central banking system is parasitic and destructive and so tends to create cyclical backlashes - thus open borders are a critical interest for the people involved in central banking.
    , @bomag

    A country that has a fertility rate of 1.3 for an extended period of time will simply die. It will lose about 3/4 of its population in just 100 years and over 97% in 200 years.
     
    Don't assume things will always be linear. A current below replacement fertility rate most likely means the country will stabilize at a lower population, a good goal if you are facing crowding and resource depletion.
  137. Yak-15 says:
    @Anonym
    I notice that any Muslim of power, influence, and wealth certainly doesn’t live a “Muslim” life.

    That's not exclusive to Muslims! Power corrupts.

    Of course not. Life is too much fun to adhere to 7th century ideology. Booze, bacon and broads are too awesome to give up.

    I am more furious with the lack of gratitude from the modern left about our society and culture. Particularly leftish women.

    Literally everything great about our society and everything they hold dear from drinkable tap water to democracy to cellular telephones are due to white men. I don’t think WN is the way to go, but complete a lack of awareness is helping aid mass low-IQ immigration and it’s going to pull down all of us.

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    • Replies: @Kylie
    "I am more furious with the lack of gratitude from the modern left about our society and culture. Particularly leftish women.

    Literally everything great about our society and everything they hold dear from drinkable tap water to democracy to cellular telephones are due to white men."

    I hope you said this to your sister-in-law. And I hope you repeat it as needed at every dinner with your in-laws.

    Good luck. Something tells me you're going to need it.
  138. @BB753
    $25 millions, at the very last minute, when Trump's victory was clear to anybody with half a brain. It's not even real money for a billionaire like Adelson.

    Clinton was a major favorite up to election day as demonstrated by the betting odds.

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  139. anon says: • Disclaimer

    As I have always said Muslim immigration to the West (or to ANY non-Muslim country) is an act of suicide and sheer madness.

    The safest possible way to protect your country from Muslim terrorism is simply to not allow any Muslims to move to, or live in, your country. Muslim immigration is a Trojan horse for Muslim terrorism.

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  140. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @The most deplorable one
    So what happened to all those wealthy second-generation Muslims in Europe who went in for Jihad trips to the Middle East?

    They regressed to the mean, and that is why you don't want them here.

    Then, what about this guy:

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/buffalo.beheading/index.html

    So what happened to all those wealthy second-generation Muslims in Europe who went in for Jihad trips to the Middle East?

    The original point was that in places like Sweden Muslims were being kept out of the job market. They’re not – they’re just stupid and can’t be around women.

    The reason why Sweden has it worse than the US – apart from numbers – is they have a relatively strict immigration policy but a very lax refugee policy so they mostly got dummies. Until recently the US got a higher percentage of educated people and less refugees so plain stupidity has been less of an issue.

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  141. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The vast majority of anti-Semites are so utterly mentally inferior that one wouldn't mind seeing them self-immolate (as they usually do). Unfortunately, they tend to take a lot of good people, Jew and non-Jew, with them.

    The point I made requires basic numeracy skills so it wasn't addressed to creatures like you.

    The point I made requires basic numeracy skills

    your point was

    Here is a population calculator, with a birth rate of many Asian and European countries. Keep immigration at zero to see the future native population.

    which says a population with a below replacement TFR of say 1.5 and no immigration will tend to zero, extinction.

    TFR is an average, some women will have zero, some will have four so if we assume there is a genetic component to TFR (maternal instinct, religiosity etc) then the women who have four will be passing them on to their daughters and the women who have zero – won’t.

    So without immigration the TFR would gradually level off over time.

    #

    Secondly if we assume a population who have a genetic predisposition to want to save a surplus for emergencies such that

    TFR ~ child cost + emergency surplus

    then if mass immigration stagnates income and increases housing costs then mass immigration itself reduces native TFR in proportion to that genetic predisposition.

    #

    so as i said, the TFR argument is used as gas-lighting by the sort of people who desire the destruction of other people’s nations by opening their borders.

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    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I appreciate your explanation. Perhaps I wasn't clear about the comment, "Keep immigration at zero to see the future native population." My point isn't to increase immigration, just to set the calculator (as I have in the link) to zero immigration so you can see exactly how much population decline will occur at a given fertility rate.

    People who are concerned about the low developed world fertility rate just want to see more babies. Israel was obsessed with their comparatively low fertility rate and managed to increase it dramatically. But it takes real determination, both politically and socially. The attempts so far in Europe, Japan and China have been far too timid. See Italy's Fertility Day. If you can't defeat the radical feminists, I doubt you'll be able to stop the barbarians at the gate.

    I agree that absent immigration, fertility rates will increase somewhat, but I don't believe they will increase enough to survive in the very low fertility countries. There are powerful headwinds as well with a rapidly aging society. It can't be fixed naturally, it requires tremendous will and planning.

    At that is East Asia's problem!! Europeans have to contend with a large Muslim population that is outbreeding them. The clock is really ticking.
  142. snorlax says:
    @Svigor
    People knock Islam because doing so is more PC than rrrrracism!!!, but I think it's just an HBD thing. The typical response is that Islam causes trouble wherever it is found, but that's probably an HBD thing, too; problematic HBD gravitates to Islam (which does mean Islam is still problematic, but I think you get my drift).

    KSM says:
    November 24, 2016 at 12:26 am GMT • 200 Words
     
    It seems the real KSM disagrees with you.

    Old Testament plural marriage
     
    Welcome to Euphemism City.

    This is new news?
    It’s their modus operandi everywhere, and not just in the West.
     
    It's news to Democrats. Cankles said Trump was doing their work for them, remember?

    If MSM called Breitbart ‘fake news’, can we call MSM the ‘hoax media’?
     
    I'm warming to the term, "Fake Media." And so soon after I'd settled on "Big Media."

    KSM’s actions resulted in the Sunnis losing Iraq permanently, after ruling it for centuries.
     
    How does this "permanently" thing work?

    It’s not really clear how much you can trust former CIA contractors who are trying to write saleable books.
     
    Yes, breeding like rabbits in our territory, then voting in sharia? People who fly planes into buildings and strap on suicide bombs would never stoop so low.

    Peter Akuleyev says:

    November 24, 2016 at 11:04 am GMT • 200 Words
     
    You got Rube Goldberg on speed dial? Keep them out, run them out. Far simpler.

    This line by the NPR reporter was apparently written with a straight face: “Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait.”
     
    Haha yeah, their needs are already well-served by Big Media.

    GSR
    says:

    November 24, 2016 at 11:30 am GMT • 100 Words</blockquote.

    I was going to tell you to give your sarcometer a nudge, but your comment was so bad, I have to wonder if it's mine that needs the diagnostic.

    People knock Islam because doing so is more PC than rrrrracism!!!, but I think it’s just an HBD thing. The typical response is that Islam causes trouble wherever it is found, but that’s probably an HBD thing, too; problematic HBD gravitates to Islam (which does mean Islam is still problematic, but I think you get my drift).

    No, the problem is Islam, much more than HBD. The Chechens are at least as psychotic and violent as all the other Muslims, but because they’re white they’re also, pound-for-pound, by far the most dangerous.

    The black Christians of South Sudan have repeatedly kicked the asses of the quasi-Arab mulattoes in the northern part. Any time you look at two roughly equivalent groups: Indians and Pakistanis, Muslim and Christian Arabs, Ethiopians and Somalis, Greeks and Albanians, Russians and Chechens, Chinese and Malays, and so on, the difference is night and day.

    And the HBD stuff and Islam are intimately related. The Egyptians, Iraqis, Turks and Iranians, not very long ago at all in the history of our species, had the greatest and most sophisticated civilizations and centers of learning in the world. Those among them who didn’t or didn’t seriously adopt Islam remain amongst the most accomplished and civilized people on Earth.

    Those who did go whole-hog for Islam have, following 1300 years of polygamous cousin marriage, created a breed of homicidal halfwits, The Hills Have Eyes-style.

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    So which one is it: Islam makes people dumb, or Islam is a magnet for the dim-witted? Monotheism for dummies, so to speak.
  143. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    There is significant value in a less crowded life. We should be able to capture some of that value. To just forever have significant population growth to stave off the ethnic hordes clamoring at our borders is a losing proposition. One should be able to opt out of this game of chicken.
     
    Unfortunately, European and east Asian countries are opting out of the "game of chicken" by crashing their cars into trees. For example, ethnic Germans have a fertility rate of 1.3 in Europe. That is sheer suicide. A country that has a fertility rate of 1.3 for an extended period of time will simply die. It will lose about 3/4 of its population in just 100 years and over 97% in 200 years.

    The European fertility rate is about 1.5. Again, suicidal. One can argue that the fertility rates will eventually increase as land becomes cheaper, but that would probably only save countries that have a higher fertility rate to begin with.

    If I had to make an analogy, it would be like this. A low fertility rate is like a person without a job. If it continues indefinitely, he won't be able to support his family. Relying on low-skilled immigration to make up the deficit is like going to a loan shark to make ends meet. It's going from bad to so much worse.

    Just about every country has a central bank to try to keep prices stable. A stable population is far more important. We should have a central organization that is designed to obtain and sustain a fertility rate over 2 (with some safeguards to prevent it from becoming dysgenic).

    The European fertility rate is about 1.5. Again, suicidal.

    If low birth rates are suicidal then is encouraging low birth rates genocidal?

    Just about every country has a central bank to try to keep prices stable.

    To rob the population by inflating the currency.

    #

    The two things are are related because the central banking system is parasitic and destructive and so tends to create cyclical backlashes – thus open borders are a critical interest for the people involved in central banking.

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  144. @anon

    The point I made requires basic numeracy skills
     
    your point was

    Here is a population calculator, with a birth rate of many Asian and European countries. Keep immigration at zero to see the future native population.
     
    which says a population with a below replacement TFR of say 1.5 and no immigration will tend to zero, extinction.

    TFR is an average, some women will have zero, some will have four so if we assume there is a genetic component to TFR (maternal instinct, religiosity etc) then the women who have four will be passing them on to their daughters and the women who have zero - won't.

    So without immigration the TFR would gradually level off over time.

    #

    Secondly if we assume a population who have a genetic predisposition to want to save a surplus for emergencies such that

    TFR ~ child cost + emergency surplus

    then if mass immigration stagnates income and increases housing costs then mass immigration itself reduces native TFR in proportion to that genetic predisposition.

    #

    so as i said, the TFR argument is used as gas-lighting by the sort of people who desire the destruction of other people's nations by opening their borders.

    I appreciate your explanation. Perhaps I wasn’t clear about the comment, “Keep immigration at zero to see the future native population.” My point isn’t to increase immigration, just to set the calculator (as I have in the link) to zero immigration so you can see exactly how much population decline will occur at a given fertility rate.

    People who are concerned about the low developed world fertility rate just want to see more babies. Israel was obsessed with their comparatively low fertility rate and managed to increase it dramatically. But it takes real determination, both politically and socially. The attempts so far in Europe, Japan and China have been far too timid. See Italy’s Fertility Day. If you can’t defeat the radical feminists, I doubt you’ll be able to stop the barbarians at the gate.

    I agree that absent immigration, fertility rates will increase somewhat, but I don’t believe they will increase enough to survive in the very low fertility countries. There are powerful headwinds as well with a rapidly aging society. It can’t be fixed naturally, it requires tremendous will and planning.

    At that is East Asia’s problem!! Europeans have to contend with a large Muslim population that is outbreeding them. The clock is really ticking.

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  145. Kylie says:
    @Yak-15
    Of course not. Life is too much fun to adhere to 7th century ideology. Booze, bacon and broads are too awesome to give up.

    I am more furious with the lack of gratitude from the modern left about our society and culture. Particularly leftish women.

    Literally everything great about our society and everything they hold dear from drinkable tap water to democracy to cellular telephones are due to white men. I don't think WN is the way to go, but complete a lack of awareness is helping aid mass low-IQ immigration and it's going to pull down all of us.

    “I am more furious with the lack of gratitude from the modern left about our society and culture. Particularly leftish women.

    Literally everything great about our society and everything they hold dear from drinkable tap water to democracy to cellular telephones are due to white men.”

    I hope you said this to your sister-in-law. And I hope you repeat it as needed at every dinner with your in-laws.

    Good luck. Something tells me you’re going to need it.

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  146. @Jefferson
    "It is a race . Can the West assimilate the Muslims to Eurotrash decadence and infertility (western civ) faster than the Muslims turn the Westerners into fertile religionist identitarians. In Israel, religious orthodoxy and fertility is exploding and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage. That re-awakening, plus WMDs, and the willingness to use them, is the only defense remaining for the european phenotype. In a bronze age battlefield, Europe would already be in ruins."

    When Muslims in The U.S are not busy committing terrorist attacks, they are fabricating hate crime hoaxes about being physically attacked by White male Donald Trump supporters. With friends like that who needs enemies.

    and some rabbis argue for re-introduction of Old Testament plural marriage.

    For what purpose?

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  147. Svigor says:

    Snorlax, I’m still compelled to wonder about chickens and eggs.

    Those who did go whole-hog for Islam have, following 1300 years of polygamous cousin marriage, created a breed of homicidal halfwits, The Hills Have Eyes-style.

    Do we know if SWANA populations practiced cousin marriage before Islam? If not, how do we know that Islam is to blame for anything but solidifying the practice? If that – does Islam explicitly encourage cousin marriage? Or mandate it? Cousin marriage seems to me like something tribalistic SWANAs would practice, even without Islam. I suppose Christian SWANAs don’t practice it, at least not to the same extent, but that doesn’t lead to pat answers either; maybe cultures with more exogamous practices went Christian, or maybe it’s a matter of social identity theory (Christians are a minority, so their superior cultural practice would not survive a shift to majority status, because it would no longer be a source of minority identity; i.e., it would no longer be a way for a group to maintain identity and look down on the majority).

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    Good question Svigor. The Persians, before Islam, were into far more consanguineous marriage. And this was through the heights of their power though there is lack of evidence that it became very popular outside of the ruling elite (much like some of the practices of certain blue-bloods of Europe):

    "In Zoroastrian Middle Persian (Pahlavi) texts, the term xwedodah (Av. x?aetuuada?a) is said to refer to marital unions of father and daughter, mother and son, or brother and sister (next-of-kin or close-kin marriage, nuclear family incest), and to be one of the most pious actions possible. The models for these unions were found in the Zoroastrian cosmogony. The meaning and function of the Avestan term is not clear from the contexts. To what extent xwēdōdah was practiced in Sasanian Iran and before, especially outside the royal and noble families (“dynastic incest”) and, perhaps, the clergy, and whether practices ascribed to them can be assumed to be characteristic of the general population is not clear"
    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/marriage-next-of-kin

    The Muslim scholars debated whether to proscribe this practice, but ultimately it was decided (by no one less than Imam Hasan al-Basri [ra]) that this was protected under the rights accorded to dhimmis - and thus they were left to practice it. Though the evidence leans toward the populace generally practicing it as restricted to cousins (see below) - which would not have raised Muslim eyebrows.

    Ditto, for the Egyptians even during Roman times (solidly Christian), they were practicing consanguineous marriage. Islam may be held guilty of perpetuating the practice, but not initiating it:
    "But, unlike Roman Egypt where census records indicate consanguinity was fairly widespread among the populace, there is no evidence it ever became a popular form of consummated marriage in Iran under either the Sasanians or the caliphs - despite certain magi even giving khwedodah the status of a religious duty. Marriage between cousins appears to have been common, a practice still popular among both Iranian Zoroatrians and Muslims and also among the Parsis."
    Women in Iran from the Rise of Islam to 1800

    Peace.

  148. @Barnard
    Do you think the rate of assimilation would have improved with continued open borders and exposure to our pop culture?

    Do you think…

    The question is not “What does ‘KSM’ think?”, but “Does KSM think?”

    Look at those initials again, and at the headline. He’s not the Dutch airline.

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  149. dfordoom says: • Website
    @bomag

    How 100,000 Britons have chosen to become Muslim… and average convert is 27-year-old white woman
     
    That is a cumulative total. It is around 5000 a year. I'm surprised it is not a whole lot more in a country of 65 million.

    That is a cumulative total. It is around 5000 a year. I’m surprised it is not a whole lot more in a country of 65 million.

    I suspect that eventually a tipping point will be reached and the number of converts will sky-rocket. Christianity is dead. Liberalism offers nothing but moral squalor and emptiness. For those who want something to believe in Islam is perilously close to being the only remaining option.

    It will certainly be very attractive to women who don’t want to live like sluts and who would like to marry men rather than weak pathetic girly-men.

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    There ARE other religions than Islam. And if we broaden the field to belief systems that aren't explicitly supernatural, there are even more alternatives.
  150. Talha says:
    @Svigor
    Snorlax, I'm still compelled to wonder about chickens and eggs.

    Those who did go whole-hog for Islam have, following 1300 years of polygamous cousin marriage, created a breed of homicidal halfwits, The Hills Have Eyes-style.
     
    Do we know if SWANA populations practiced cousin marriage before Islam? If not, how do we know that Islam is to blame for anything but solidifying the practice? If that - does Islam explicitly encourage cousin marriage? Or mandate it? Cousin marriage seems to me like something tribalistic SWANAs would practice, even without Islam. I suppose Christian SWANAs don't practice it, at least not to the same extent, but that doesn't lead to pat answers either; maybe cultures with more exogamous practices went Christian, or maybe it's a matter of social identity theory (Christians are a minority, so their superior cultural practice would not survive a shift to majority status, because it would no longer be a source of minority identity; i.e., it would no longer be a way for a group to maintain identity and look down on the majority).

    Good question Svigor. The Persians, before Islam, were into far more consanguineous marriage. And this was through the heights of their power though there is lack of evidence that it became very popular outside of the ruling elite (much like some of the practices of certain blue-bloods of Europe):

    “In Zoroastrian Middle Persian (Pahlavi) texts, the term xwedodah (Av. x?aetuuada?a) is said to refer to marital unions of father and daughter, mother and son, or brother and sister (next-of-kin or close-kin marriage, nuclear family incest), and to be one of the most pious actions possible. The models for these unions were found in the Zoroastrian cosmogony. The meaning and function of the Avestan term is not clear from the contexts. To what extent xwēdōdah was practiced in Sasanian Iran and before, especially outside the royal and noble families (“dynastic incest”) and, perhaps, the clergy, and whether practices ascribed to them can be assumed to be characteristic of the general population is not clear”

    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/marriage-next-of-kin

    The Muslim scholars debated whether to proscribe this practice, but ultimately it was decided (by no one less than Imam Hasan al-Basri [ra]) that this was protected under the rights accorded to dhimmis – and thus they were left to practice it. Though the evidence leans toward the populace generally practicing it as restricted to cousins (see below) – which would not have raised Muslim eyebrows.

    Ditto, for the Egyptians even during Roman times (solidly Christian), they were practicing consanguineous marriage. Islam may be held guilty of perpetuating the practice, but not initiating it:
    “But, unlike Roman Egypt where census records indicate consanguinity was fairly widespread among the populace, there is no evidence it ever became a popular form of consummated marriage in Iran under either the Sasanians or the caliphs – despite certain magi even giving khwedodah the status of a religious duty. Marriage between cousins appears to have been common, a practice still popular among both Iranian Zoroatrians and Muslims and also among the Parsis.”
    Women in Iran from the Rise of Islam to 1800

    Peace.

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    Data for the prevalence of brother-sister marriage in Roman Egypt:
    "According to official census returns from Roman Egypt (first to third centuries CE) preserved on papyrus, 23.5% of all documented marriages in the Arsinoites district in the Fayum (n = 102) were between brothers and sisters. In the second century CE, the rates were 37% in the city of Arsinoe and 18.9% in the surrounding villages."
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9881142

    My mistake on my last post - Roman Egypt lasted for nearly 6 centuries so the brother-sister marriage is definitely on file for the first three centuries, though the gradual spread of Christianity would have affected this trend - so stating 'solidly Christian' is not correct (unless one only takes into account late antiquity). My point being that many of these cultures were practicing a far closer form of consanguineous marriage before Islam arrived.

    Peace.
  151. Talha says:
    @Talha
    Good question Svigor. The Persians, before Islam, were into far more consanguineous marriage. And this was through the heights of their power though there is lack of evidence that it became very popular outside of the ruling elite (much like some of the practices of certain blue-bloods of Europe):

    "In Zoroastrian Middle Persian (Pahlavi) texts, the term xwedodah (Av. x?aetuuada?a) is said to refer to marital unions of father and daughter, mother and son, or brother and sister (next-of-kin or close-kin marriage, nuclear family incest), and to be one of the most pious actions possible. The models for these unions were found in the Zoroastrian cosmogony. The meaning and function of the Avestan term is not clear from the contexts. To what extent xwēdōdah was practiced in Sasanian Iran and before, especially outside the royal and noble families (“dynastic incest”) and, perhaps, the clergy, and whether practices ascribed to them can be assumed to be characteristic of the general population is not clear"
    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/marriage-next-of-kin

    The Muslim scholars debated whether to proscribe this practice, but ultimately it was decided (by no one less than Imam Hasan al-Basri [ra]) that this was protected under the rights accorded to dhimmis - and thus they were left to practice it. Though the evidence leans toward the populace generally practicing it as restricted to cousins (see below) - which would not have raised Muslim eyebrows.

    Ditto, for the Egyptians even during Roman times (solidly Christian), they were practicing consanguineous marriage. Islam may be held guilty of perpetuating the practice, but not initiating it:
    "But, unlike Roman Egypt where census records indicate consanguinity was fairly widespread among the populace, there is no evidence it ever became a popular form of consummated marriage in Iran under either the Sasanians or the caliphs - despite certain magi even giving khwedodah the status of a religious duty. Marriage between cousins appears to have been common, a practice still popular among both Iranian Zoroatrians and Muslims and also among the Parsis."
    Women in Iran from the Rise of Islam to 1800

    Peace.

    Data for the prevalence of brother-sister marriage in Roman Egypt:
    “According to official census returns from Roman Egypt (first to third centuries CE) preserved on papyrus, 23.5% of all documented marriages in the Arsinoites district in the Fayum (n = 102) were between brothers and sisters. In the second century CE, the rates were 37% in the city of Arsinoe and 18.9% in the surrounding villages.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9881142

    My mistake on my last post – Roman Egypt lasted for nearly 6 centuries so the brother-sister marriage is definitely on file for the first three centuries, though the gradual spread of Christianity would have affected this trend – so stating ‘solidly Christian’ is not correct (unless one only takes into account late antiquity). My point being that many of these cultures were practicing a far closer form of consanguineous marriage before Islam arrived.

    Peace.

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  152. melendwyr says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    That is a cumulative total. It is around 5000 a year. I’m surprised it is not a whole lot more in a country of 65 million.
     
    I suspect that eventually a tipping point will be reached and the number of converts will sky-rocket. Christianity is dead. Liberalism offers nothing but moral squalor and emptiness. For those who want something to believe in Islam is perilously close to being the only remaining option.

    It will certainly be very attractive to women who don't want to live like sluts and who would like to marry men rather than weak pathetic girly-men.

    There ARE other religions than Islam. And if we broaden the field to belief systems that aren’t explicitly supernatural, there are even more alternatives.

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    • Replies: @dfordoom

    There ARE other religions than Islam.
     
    Not viable ones with the potential to make mass converts. If people are looking for a religion they're mostly looking not just for a belief system but for a religion that offers them a sense of belonging. In the modern West the chances of Buddhism or Hinduism making mass converts are zero. Ditto for fringe religions like Mormonism or Scientology or Wicca.

    I'm not suggesting that people should convert to Islam. I'm merely suggesting that Islam is the only religion likely to gain mass converts and it could develop a real momentum in the West.

    And if we broaden the field to belief systems that aren’t explicitly supernatural, there are even more alternatives.
     
    We've tried that. Marxism, liberal democracy, etc. They've failed.
  153. dfordoom says: • Website
    @melendwyr
    There ARE other religions than Islam. And if we broaden the field to belief systems that aren't explicitly supernatural, there are even more alternatives.

    There ARE other religions than Islam.

    Not viable ones with the potential to make mass converts. If people are looking for a religion they’re mostly looking not just for a belief system but for a religion that offers them a sense of belonging. In the modern West the chances of Buddhism or Hinduism making mass converts are zero. Ditto for fringe religions like Mormonism or Scientology or Wicca.

    I’m not suggesting that people should convert to Islam. I’m merely suggesting that Islam is the only religion likely to gain mass converts and it could develop a real momentum in the West.

    And if we broaden the field to belief systems that aren’t explicitly supernatural, there are even more alternatives.

    We’ve tried that. Marxism, liberal democracy, etc. They’ve failed.

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    So people won't convert to Vedic religion or Buddhism but they will convert to Islam. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Hinduism and Buddhism have had a lot more interest in the West than Islam since the 1960s. The only reason libtards would convert to Islam is because it is the most unpopular religion outside of its adherents. So therefore they get the most status points for understanding the poor misunderstood Izzlamies. But those type of converts won't last long. The reconversion rate from Islam back to nothing is extremely high.

    Outside of libtards, I think a fair amount of people could seek out that ultra-conservative lifestyle. But your argument that people won't switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn't hold water.

  154. BB753 says:
    @snorlax

    People knock Islam because doing so is more PC than rrrrracism!!!, but I think it’s just an HBD thing. The typical response is that Islam causes trouble wherever it is found, but that’s probably an HBD thing, too; problematic HBD gravitates to Islam (which does mean Islam is still problematic, but I think you get my drift).
     
    No, the problem is Islam, much more than HBD. The Chechens are at least as psychotic and violent as all the other Muslims, but because they're white they're also, pound-for-pound, by far the most dangerous.

    The black Christians of South Sudan have repeatedly kicked the asses of the quasi-Arab mulattoes in the northern part. Any time you look at two roughly equivalent groups: Indians and Pakistanis, Muslim and Christian Arabs, Ethiopians and Somalis, Greeks and Albanians, Russians and Chechens, Chinese and Malays, and so on, the difference is night and day.

    And the HBD stuff and Islam are intimately related. The Egyptians, Iraqis, Turks and Iranians, not very long ago at all in the history of our species, had the greatest and most sophisticated civilizations and centers of learning in the world. Those among them who didn't or didn't seriously adopt Islam remain amongst the most accomplished and civilized people on Earth.

    Those who did go whole-hog for Islam have, following 1300 years of polygamous cousin marriage, created a breed of homicidal halfwits, The Hills Have Eyes-style.

    So which one is it: Islam makes people dumb, or Islam is a magnet for the dim-witted? Monotheism for dummies, so to speak.

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    Six of one, half a dozen of the other. But neither is necessarily true all the time. Like I said, the Chechens are particularly dangerous because they're both very into Islam, and also as intelligent as all the other Caucasians. (Pun intended).
  155. grapesoda says:
    @dfordoom

    There ARE other religions than Islam.
     
    Not viable ones with the potential to make mass converts. If people are looking for a religion they're mostly looking not just for a belief system but for a religion that offers them a sense of belonging. In the modern West the chances of Buddhism or Hinduism making mass converts are zero. Ditto for fringe religions like Mormonism or Scientology or Wicca.

    I'm not suggesting that people should convert to Islam. I'm merely suggesting that Islam is the only religion likely to gain mass converts and it could develop a real momentum in the West.

    And if we broaden the field to belief systems that aren’t explicitly supernatural, there are even more alternatives.
     
    We've tried that. Marxism, liberal democracy, etc. They've failed.

    So people won’t convert to Vedic religion or Buddhism but they will convert to Islam. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Hinduism and Buddhism have had a lot more interest in the West than Islam since the 1960s. The only reason libtards would convert to Islam is because it is the most unpopular religion outside of its adherents. So therefore they get the most status points for understanding the poor misunderstood Izzlamies. But those type of converts won’t last long. The reconversion rate from Islam back to nothing is extremely high.

    Outside of libtards, I think a fair amount of people could seek out that ultra-conservative lifestyle. But your argument that people won’t switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn’t hold water.

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    But your argument that people won’t switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn’t hold water.
     
    Assuming that Muslim immigration continues at current rates and that Muslims continue to outbreed us then at some point converting to Islam will become very attractive. It's always a wise idea to conform to the religion of your conquerors. It makes life a lot easier. Many people will do so because of the obvious social advantages - by converting to Islam you instantly become one of the conquerors rather than one of the conquered. That's a pretty big incentive.

    The tipping point may still be a couple of decades away but it's getting closer every day.
    , @melendwyr

    The reconversion rate from Islam back to nothing is extremely high.
     
    Which is why Islamic societies have ferocious penalties for people who convert from Islam to anything else.

    It's also why Islam's 'tolerance' for other religions doesn't extend to faiths like Baha'i: they can deal with religions like Christianity and Judaism that they see as precursors to Islam, that developed into it, but any religion that developed OUT of Islam is a rejection of the True Faith.
    , @NOTA
    Is there good data on religious conversions to Islam somewhere? My no-data anecdotal impression is that in the US, that's mainly people converting (often in name only) when they marry a Muslim, and black Muslim groups getting converts of messed up black guys in prison (who probably benefit from a strict no-alcohol ideology).
  156. dfordoom says: • Website
    @grapesoda
    So people won't convert to Vedic religion or Buddhism but they will convert to Islam. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Hinduism and Buddhism have had a lot more interest in the West than Islam since the 1960s. The only reason libtards would convert to Islam is because it is the most unpopular religion outside of its adherents. So therefore they get the most status points for understanding the poor misunderstood Izzlamies. But those type of converts won't last long. The reconversion rate from Islam back to nothing is extremely high.

    Outside of libtards, I think a fair amount of people could seek out that ultra-conservative lifestyle. But your argument that people won't switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn't hold water.

    But your argument that people won’t switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn’t hold water.

    Assuming that Muslim immigration continues at current rates and that Muslims continue to outbreed us then at some point converting to Islam will become very attractive. It’s always a wise idea to conform to the religion of your conquerors. It makes life a lot easier. Many people will do so because of the obvious social advantages – by converting to Islam you instantly become one of the conquerors rather than one of the conquered. That’s a pretty big incentive.

    The tipping point may still be a couple of decades away but it’s getting closer every day.

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    People usually don't convert to the religion of the lower classes and losers of society. As of now, Muslims have very little clout in Europe. On average, they're poor and uneducated and considerably less intelligent than the majority.
    , @NOTA
    Is there data on fertlity rate of Muslims who were born here? The usual pattern in immigrants is relatively high fertility in the first generation, followed by much lower fertility in later (more assimilated) generations.
  157. BB753 says:
    @dfordoom

    But your argument that people won’t switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn’t hold water.
     
    Assuming that Muslim immigration continues at current rates and that Muslims continue to outbreed us then at some point converting to Islam will become very attractive. It's always a wise idea to conform to the religion of your conquerors. It makes life a lot easier. Many people will do so because of the obvious social advantages - by converting to Islam you instantly become one of the conquerors rather than one of the conquered. That's a pretty big incentive.

    The tipping point may still be a couple of decades away but it's getting closer every day.

    People usually don’t convert to the religion of the lower classes and losers of society. As of now, Muslims have very little clout in Europe. On average, they’re poor and uneducated and considerably less intelligent than the majority.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    People usually don’t convert to the religion of the lower classes and losers of society. As of now, Muslims have very little clout in Europe. On average, they’re poor and uneducated and considerably less intelligent than the majority.
     
    This.

    The converts are largely outliers; the malcontents and marginalized.

    Islam is another form of political correctness for the masses; the elites might mouth the pieties, but they don't trouble themselves too much with it otherwise.
  158. bomag says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    There is significant value in a less crowded life. We should be able to capture some of that value. To just forever have significant population growth to stave off the ethnic hordes clamoring at our borders is a losing proposition. One should be able to opt out of this game of chicken.
     
    Unfortunately, European and east Asian countries are opting out of the "game of chicken" by crashing their cars into trees. For example, ethnic Germans have a fertility rate of 1.3 in Europe. That is sheer suicide. A country that has a fertility rate of 1.3 for an extended period of time will simply die. It will lose about 3/4 of its population in just 100 years and over 97% in 200 years.

    The European fertility rate is about 1.5. Again, suicidal. One can argue that the fertility rates will eventually increase as land becomes cheaper, but that would probably only save countries that have a higher fertility rate to begin with.

    If I had to make an analogy, it would be like this. A low fertility rate is like a person without a job. If it continues indefinitely, he won't be able to support his family. Relying on low-skilled immigration to make up the deficit is like going to a loan shark to make ends meet. It's going from bad to so much worse.

    Just about every country has a central bank to try to keep prices stable. A stable population is far more important. We should have a central organization that is designed to obtain and sustain a fertility rate over 2 (with some safeguards to prevent it from becoming dysgenic).

    A country that has a fertility rate of 1.3 for an extended period of time will simply die. It will lose about 3/4 of its population in just 100 years and over 97% in 200 years.

    Don’t assume things will always be linear. A current below replacement fertility rate most likely means the country will stabilize at a lower population, a good goal if you are facing crowding and resource depletion.

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  159. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The vast majority of anti-Semites are so utterly mentally inferior that one wouldn't mind seeing them self-immolate (as they usually do). Unfortunately, they tend to take a lot of good people, Jew and non-Jew, with them.

    The point I made requires basic numeracy skills so it wasn't addressed to creatures like you.

    The point I made requires basic numeracy skills so it wasn’t addressed to creatures like you.

    The term you’re looking for is “innumeracy skills”. And you’ve got ‘em in spades.

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  160. melendwyr says: • Website
    @grapesoda
    So people won't convert to Vedic religion or Buddhism but they will convert to Islam. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Hinduism and Buddhism have had a lot more interest in the West than Islam since the 1960s. The only reason libtards would convert to Islam is because it is the most unpopular religion outside of its adherents. So therefore they get the most status points for understanding the poor misunderstood Izzlamies. But those type of converts won't last long. The reconversion rate from Islam back to nothing is extremely high.

    Outside of libtards, I think a fair amount of people could seek out that ultra-conservative lifestyle. But your argument that people won't switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn't hold water.

    The reconversion rate from Islam back to nothing is extremely high.

    Which is why Islamic societies have ferocious penalties for people who convert from Islam to anything else.

    It’s also why Islam’s ‘tolerance’ for other religions doesn’t extend to faiths like Baha’i: they can deal with religions like Christianity and Judaism that they see as precursors to Islam, that developed into it, but any religion that developed OUT of Islam is a rejection of the True Faith.

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  161. snorlax says:
    @BB753
    So which one is it: Islam makes people dumb, or Islam is a magnet for the dim-witted? Monotheism for dummies, so to speak.

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other. But neither is necessarily true all the time. Like I said, the Chechens are particularly dangerous because they’re both very into Islam, and also as intelligent as all the other Caucasians. (Pun intended).

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    I don't know. Are there any IQ studies about Chechens and similar peoples from the Caucasus? Native European Muslims, Albanians and Bosnians, aren't that bright. What makes Whites so dangerous in warfare (and good at most endeavors) is more than IQ, it's drive and discipline and other character traits. Whites aren't the best at anything, but have well-rounded personalities and physical attributes. It's the whole that makes a difference.
  162. eah says:
    @eah
    Of course, it’s not real clear how much you can trust what people tell you after you’ve been waterboarding them.

    Huh?

    https://twitter.com/TracyBrabin/status/800119891441451008

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    https://twitter.com/JohnRiversX3/status/802773357049614336
  163. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/LanaLokteff/status/802217839520268288
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    https://twitter.com/JohnRiversX3/status/802740919107723264
  164. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/JohnRiversX3/status/802773357049614336
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  165. bomag says:
    @BB753
    People usually don't convert to the religion of the lower classes and losers of society. As of now, Muslims have very little clout in Europe. On average, they're poor and uneducated and considerably less intelligent than the majority.

    People usually don’t convert to the religion of the lower classes and losers of society. As of now, Muslims have very little clout in Europe. On average, they’re poor and uneducated and considerably less intelligent than the majority.

    This.

    The converts are largely outliers; the malcontents and marginalized.

    Islam is another form of political correctness for the masses; the elites might mouth the pieties, but they don’t trouble themselves too much with it otherwise.

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  166. NOTA says:
    @grapesoda
    So people won't convert to Vedic religion or Buddhism but they will convert to Islam. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Hinduism and Buddhism have had a lot more interest in the West than Islam since the 1960s. The only reason libtards would convert to Islam is because it is the most unpopular religion outside of its adherents. So therefore they get the most status points for understanding the poor misunderstood Izzlamies. But those type of converts won't last long. The reconversion rate from Islam back to nothing is extremely high.

    Outside of libtards, I think a fair amount of people could seek out that ultra-conservative lifestyle. But your argument that people won't switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn't hold water.

    Is there good data on religious conversions to Islam somewhere? My no-data anecdotal impression is that in the US, that’s mainly people converting (often in name only) when they marry a Muslim, and black Muslim groups getting converts of messed up black guys in prison (who probably benefit from a strict no-alcohol ideology).

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  167. NOTA says:
    @dfordoom

    But your argument that people won’t switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn’t hold water.
     
    Assuming that Muslim immigration continues at current rates and that Muslims continue to outbreed us then at some point converting to Islam will become very attractive. It's always a wise idea to conform to the religion of your conquerors. It makes life a lot easier. Many people will do so because of the obvious social advantages - by converting to Islam you instantly become one of the conquerors rather than one of the conquered. That's a pretty big incentive.

    The tipping point may still be a couple of decades away but it's getting closer every day.

    Is there data on fertlity rate of Muslims who were born here? The usual pattern in immigrants is relatively high fertility in the first generation, followed by much lower fertility in later (more assimilated) generations.

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  168. Svigor says:

    But your argument that people won’t switch to Hinduism or Buddhism because they are too foreign, but they will switch to Islam, doesn’t hold water.

    I think it does. It’s an Abrahamic faith that looks like what a religion should look like, to someone raised in the post-Christian west. Much more so than Hinduism or Buddhism, anyway. Hinduism, especially, seems a very poor draw. Polytheistic mess worshiping alien-looking (think Ripley alien, not illegal alien) deities, backed by a squalid civilization.

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  169. Svigor says:

    Which is why Islamic societies have ferocious penalties for people who convert from Islam to anything else.

    It’s also why Islam’s ‘tolerance’ for other religions doesn’t extend to faiths like Baha’i: they can deal with religions like Christianity and Judaism that they see as precursors to Islam, that developed into it, but any religion that developed OUT of Islam is a rejection of the True Faith.

    Islam is a “me too” religion. They saw the power of Christianity, but didn’t want to convert to a religion then dominated by their rivals. So, they cooked up their own scam. Much more self-consciously than Christians did, IMO. So, they have a more cult-like orientation, including a “no more cults” rule.

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  170. BB753 says:
    @snorlax
    Six of one, half a dozen of the other. But neither is necessarily true all the time. Like I said, the Chechens are particularly dangerous because they're both very into Islam, and also as intelligent as all the other Caucasians. (Pun intended).

    I don’t know. Are there any IQ studies about Chechens and similar peoples from the Caucasus? Native European Muslims, Albanians and Bosnians, aren’t that bright. What makes Whites so dangerous in warfare (and good at most endeavors) is more than IQ, it’s drive and discipline and other character traits. Whites aren’t the best at anything, but have well-rounded personalities and physical attributes. It’s the whole that makes a difference.

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    There's not a whole lot of reliable information period from that part of the world, for fairly obvious reasons.

    I think it's reasonable to infer that the Chechens are ~100 average IQ based on the following factors:

    They soundly defeated more numerous and better-equipped Russians in a quasi-conventional war, then for the rematch they went the distance and lost in a split decision.

    They are massively overrepresented in the leadership ranks of jihadi movements worldwide, as well as g-loaded roles like training, bombmaking, infosec/hacking, etc.

    In the secular sphere, they can always be found fighting on all sides of any conflict in the FSU, as highly sought-after mercenaries.

    The Cossacks are still around and still knocking heads together, but, unlike his imperial predecessors, Putin favors the Chechens as his personal shock troops / enforcers / bodyguards.

    History has many examples of elite units recruited from exotic ethnicities: Varangians, Hussars, Janissaries, Gurkhas, Swiss Guards, the aforementioned Cossacks, and so on.

    These units are always drawn from high-IQ groups, since they're expected to be led by their own officers (by necessity in case of a language barrier).

    Phenotypically, they resemble healthier-looking (probably b/c they don't drink alcohol) Serbs. The still-clearly-white Tsarnaev brothers are about as swarthy as Chechens get. (The tall Asian-looking one in the Chechen picture may be a migrant from Central Asia).

    Chechen terrorists tend to be much more imaginative in their methods and choices of targets than their Arab or South Asian peers. Chechen terror attacks are much more likely to go as planned (e.g. without the bomb failing to detonate or the authorities being tipped off).

    Also, while they may or may not escape the subsequent manhunt, Chechen terrorists are much more often able to escape the scene of the attack without being harmed, apprehended or even detected.

    Chechen culture is a lot like Russian culture, only much more so, and without the vodka. Most Interesting Man in the World Ramzan Kadyrov is one of the most visible public figures in Russian pop culture.

    Chechens haven't had the generations of inbreeding found in most Muslim cultures; per hbdchick they used to forbid marriages between third(!) cousins, but that's apparently started to change under the influence of foreign Islam.

    AFAICT we don't really see these same factors in the cases of Bosniaks or Albanians.

    I will say, there's a substantial Albanian community here in Boston, who tend to be pretty high-achieving. I think the local community's split about half-and-half between Christians and very secular/assimilated "Muslims."

    A good friend is one of the Muslims (he had to think about it for a while when I asked him which his family was — they aren't religious, celebrate Christmas, etc). Anyway, very smart guy, fellow Trump voter, one of the few people I can talk politics with w/o having to worry about outing myself as a shitlord.

  171. snorlax says:
    @BB753
    I don't know. Are there any IQ studies about Chechens and similar peoples from the Caucasus? Native European Muslims, Albanians and Bosnians, aren't that bright. What makes Whites so dangerous in warfare (and good at most endeavors) is more than IQ, it's drive and discipline and other character traits. Whites aren't the best at anything, but have well-rounded personalities and physical attributes. It's the whole that makes a difference.

    There’s not a whole lot of reliable information period from that part of the world, for fairly obvious reasons.

    I think it’s reasonable to infer that the Chechens are ~100 average IQ based on the following factors:

    They soundly defeated more numerous and better-equipped Russians in a quasi-conventional war, then for the rematch they went the distance and lost in a split decision.

    They are massively overrepresented in the leadership ranks of jihadi movements worldwide, as well as g-loaded roles like training, bombmaking, infosec/hacking, etc.

    In the secular sphere, they can always be found fighting on all sides of any conflict in the FSU, as highly sought-after mercenaries.

    The Cossacks are still around and still knocking heads together, but, unlike his imperial predecessors, Putin favors the Chechens as his personal shock troops / enforcers / bodyguards.

    History has many examples of elite units recruited from exotic ethnicities: Varangians, Hussars, Janissaries, Gurkhas, Swiss Guards, the aforementioned Cossacks, and so on.

    These units are always drawn from high-IQ groups, since they’re expected to be led by their own officers (by necessity in case of a language barrier).

    Phenotypically, they resemble healthier-looking (probably b/c they don’t drink alcohol) Serbs. The still-clearly-white Tsarnaev brothers are about as swarthy as Chechens get. (The tall Asian-looking one in the Chechen picture may be a migrant from Central Asia).

    Chechen terrorists tend to be much more imaginative in their methods and choices of targets than their Arab or South Asian peers. Chechen terror attacks are much more likely to go as planned (e.g. without the bomb failing to detonate or the authorities being tipped off).

    Also, while they may or may not escape the subsequent manhunt, Chechen terrorists are much more often able to escape the scene of the attack without being harmed, apprehended or even detected.

    Chechen culture is a lot like Russian culture, only much more so, and without the vodka. Most Interesting Man in the World Ramzan Kadyrov is one of the most visible public figures in Russian pop culture.

    Chechens haven’t had the generations of inbreeding found in most Muslim cultures; per hbdchick they used to forbid marriages between third(!) cousins, but that’s apparently started to change under the influence of foreign Islam.

    AFAICT we don’t really see these same factors in the cases of Bosniaks or Albanians.

    I will say, there’s a substantial Albanian community here in Boston, who tend to be pretty high-achieving. I think the local community’s split about half-and-half between Christians and very secular/assimilated “Muslims.”

    A good friend is one of the Muslims (he had to think about it for a while when I asked him which his family was — they aren’t religious, celebrate Christmas, etc). Anyway, very smart guy, fellow Trump voter, one of the few people I can talk politics with w/o having to worry about outing myself as a shitlord.

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    Correction: the Asian-looking Chechen draftee is almost certainly a Kalmyk.
    , @BB753
    What about Georgians? I believe their IQ has been tested at 95. They should provide a reasonable proxy for Chechens.
  172. snorlax says:
    @snorlax
    There's not a whole lot of reliable information period from that part of the world, for fairly obvious reasons.

    I think it's reasonable to infer that the Chechens are ~100 average IQ based on the following factors:

    They soundly defeated more numerous and better-equipped Russians in a quasi-conventional war, then for the rematch they went the distance and lost in a split decision.

    They are massively overrepresented in the leadership ranks of jihadi movements worldwide, as well as g-loaded roles like training, bombmaking, infosec/hacking, etc.

    In the secular sphere, they can always be found fighting on all sides of any conflict in the FSU, as highly sought-after mercenaries.

    The Cossacks are still around and still knocking heads together, but, unlike his imperial predecessors, Putin favors the Chechens as his personal shock troops / enforcers / bodyguards.

    History has many examples of elite units recruited from exotic ethnicities: Varangians, Hussars, Janissaries, Gurkhas, Swiss Guards, the aforementioned Cossacks, and so on.

    These units are always drawn from high-IQ groups, since they're expected to be led by their own officers (by necessity in case of a language barrier).

    Phenotypically, they resemble healthier-looking (probably b/c they don't drink alcohol) Serbs. The still-clearly-white Tsarnaev brothers are about as swarthy as Chechens get. (The tall Asian-looking one in the Chechen picture may be a migrant from Central Asia).

    Chechen terrorists tend to be much more imaginative in their methods and choices of targets than their Arab or South Asian peers. Chechen terror attacks are much more likely to go as planned (e.g. without the bomb failing to detonate or the authorities being tipped off).

    Also, while they may or may not escape the subsequent manhunt, Chechen terrorists are much more often able to escape the scene of the attack without being harmed, apprehended or even detected.

    Chechen culture is a lot like Russian culture, only much more so, and without the vodka. Most Interesting Man in the World Ramzan Kadyrov is one of the most visible public figures in Russian pop culture.

    Chechens haven't had the generations of inbreeding found in most Muslim cultures; per hbdchick they used to forbid marriages between third(!) cousins, but that's apparently started to change under the influence of foreign Islam.

    AFAICT we don't really see these same factors in the cases of Bosniaks or Albanians.

    I will say, there's a substantial Albanian community here in Boston, who tend to be pretty high-achieving. I think the local community's split about half-and-half between Christians and very secular/assimilated "Muslims."

    A good friend is one of the Muslims (he had to think about it for a while when I asked him which his family was — they aren't religious, celebrate Christmas, etc). Anyway, very smart guy, fellow Trump voter, one of the few people I can talk politics with w/o having to worry about outing myself as a shitlord.

    Correction: the Asian-looking Chechen draftee is almost certainly a Kalmyk.

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  173. Svigor says:

    As a counter-point, Chechens live to pick fights. And have never achieved much, outside of fighting.

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  174. Svigor says:

    What makes Whites so dangerous in warfare (and good at most endeavors) is more than IQ, it’s drive and discipline and other character traits. Whites aren’t the best at anything, but have well-rounded personalities and physical attributes. It’s the whole that makes a difference.

    Kinda contradicting yourself there. Europeans make the best soldiers, conquerors, explorers, pioneers, trailblazers, etc., at least. They also excel all others at creating advanced, free societies. Yellows have a very long way to go before they begin to rival white record of innovation and cultural output.

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  175. BB753 says:
    @snorlax
    There's not a whole lot of reliable information period from that part of the world, for fairly obvious reasons.

    I think it's reasonable to infer that the Chechens are ~100 average IQ based on the following factors:

    They soundly defeated more numerous and better-equipped Russians in a quasi-conventional war, then for the rematch they went the distance and lost in a split decision.

    They are massively overrepresented in the leadership ranks of jihadi movements worldwide, as well as g-loaded roles like training, bombmaking, infosec/hacking, etc.

    In the secular sphere, they can always be found fighting on all sides of any conflict in the FSU, as highly sought-after mercenaries.

    The Cossacks are still around and still knocking heads together, but, unlike his imperial predecessors, Putin favors the Chechens as his personal shock troops / enforcers / bodyguards.

    History has many examples of elite units recruited from exotic ethnicities: Varangians, Hussars, Janissaries, Gurkhas, Swiss Guards, the aforementioned Cossacks, and so on.

    These units are always drawn from high-IQ groups, since they're expected to be led by their own officers (by necessity in case of a language barrier).

    Phenotypically, they resemble healthier-looking (probably b/c they don't drink alcohol) Serbs. The still-clearly-white Tsarnaev brothers are about as swarthy as Chechens get. (The tall Asian-looking one in the Chechen picture may be a migrant from Central Asia).

    Chechen terrorists tend to be much more imaginative in their methods and choices of targets than their Arab or South Asian peers. Chechen terror attacks are much more likely to go as planned (e.g. without the bomb failing to detonate or the authorities being tipped off).

    Also, while they may or may not escape the subsequent manhunt, Chechen terrorists are much more often able to escape the scene of the attack without being harmed, apprehended or even detected.

    Chechen culture is a lot like Russian culture, only much more so, and without the vodka. Most Interesting Man in the World Ramzan Kadyrov is one of the most visible public figures in Russian pop culture.

    Chechens haven't had the generations of inbreeding found in most Muslim cultures; per hbdchick they used to forbid marriages between third(!) cousins, but that's apparently started to change under the influence of foreign Islam.

    AFAICT we don't really see these same factors in the cases of Bosniaks or Albanians.

    I will say, there's a substantial Albanian community here in Boston, who tend to be pretty high-achieving. I think the local community's split about half-and-half between Christians and very secular/assimilated "Muslims."

    A good friend is one of the Muslims (he had to think about it for a while when I asked him which his family was — they aren't religious, celebrate Christmas, etc). Anyway, very smart guy, fellow Trump voter, one of the few people I can talk politics with w/o having to worry about outing myself as a shitlord.

    What about Georgians? I believe their IQ has been tested at 95. They should provide a reasonable proxy for Chechens.

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