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From the San Francisco Chronicle:

Orinda shooting: Contra Costa DA’s office declines to file criminal charges against five suspects

Nov. 18, 2019 Updated: Nov. 18, 2019 9:26 p.m.

In a surprising twist to a high-profile case, the Contra Costa County district attorney’s office declined to file criminal charges Monday against the five men police said were responsible for the shooting of 10 people — five fatally — at a Halloween party in an Airbnb rental house in Orinda.

Update: Since then, two other guys have been arrested. Anybody know what’s going on out there?

 
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  1. Apparently Black Lives matter only when they are still breathing.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  2. Jon says:

    He said that one of the suspects, Jaquez Deshawn Sweeney

    So I guess not all of the Irish became white, despite what that book said.

    The whole suspect list is a short course in what not to name your kids: Lebraun, Shamron and Jaquez Deshawn.

  3. Nobody dindu nuthin’.

    • Agree: bomag
  4. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:

    The whole suspect list is a short course in what not to name your kids: Lebraun, Shamron and Jaquez Deshawn.

    I think the problem of these young men is not that they are named Lebraun, Shamron and Jacquez Deshawn, the problem of these young men is that they were raised and have the genes of people, who thought these were good names.

  5. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    It looks like no one is talking to the police, so they’re having trouble charging people. I wouldn’t blame the cops for this. If no one files charges, the cops are in a difficult spot. It’s very likely everyone at the party was a gang member or the girlfriend of gang members.

  6. OT:

    Hunter Biden’s baby mama was his stripper. Regression to the mean.

    Roberts graduated from Arkansas State University in 2014 and enrolled at George Washington University in DC to pursue a certificate program in Forensic Investigation.

    She attended classes during the summer and fall semesters of 2015 but did not graduate, a university spokesman said.

    Her mom, Kimberly Joan Roberts, was apparently unaware that her daughter had dropped out. On March 5, 2017, the mom told a friend on Facebook that her daughter “is in DC getting her masters in FBI CSI working for the FBI and CSI also.”

    Instead of staying at a DC Airbnb, Hunter stayed at the five-star St. Regis Hotel which was around the corner from the strip club.

    https://pagesix.com/2019/11/27/hunter-bidens-lunden-roberts-was-stripper-at-club-he-frequented/

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  7. Anonymous[650] • Disclaimer says:

    Double-checked for signs of onion. But it’s not over:

    “Although the District Attorney may want more investigation done, the persons arrested and responsible for these crimes will ultimately be held to account.”

    In 10 years, the nomination of a Supreme Court Judge will hinge on whether the nominee was actually holding a gun at the AirBlack&Die party or not.

  8. @Anon

    Agree. My memory is fuzzy, but I believe one of the deceased arrived at the party with two of the five guys who were orginally arrested. I also think he and maybe another deceased victim were in possession of guns.

    Raymon Hill Jr. was the third son that his parents have lost to gun violence since 2012. Two of his siblings were at the Orinda party.

    • Replies: @Ed
  9. Old Prude says:
    @Jon

    Shamron Sweeney would be an excellent name in a Dickens novel.

    • Replies: @Rabbi Zaius
  10. Old Prude says:
    @Jon

    Shamron Sweeney would be an excellent name in a Dickens novel.

  11. Ed says:
    @Triumph104

    Tales from the ghetto.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Grieving-mother-has-lost-three-sons-to-gun-14809434.php

    Father locked up for 15 years:

    For 15 years, Hill Sr. served a federal prison sentence. A self-described “street hustler,” he was one of five Western Addition gang members to be sentenced for a drug racketeering conspiracy, receiving 17 years for conspiring to participate in the gang as part of a 2004 murder plot to avenge another murder.

    Clan of aspiring rappers:

    Raydale Hill was a rap artist known as Heavy Baby. His older brother, Raymon Jr., also rapped under the stage name Money Mone.

    “All my kids loved music, entertaining at parties, being in the limelight on camera,” Taylor said.

    Next generation spreading their seed far and wide:

    Hill Jr. had a child living out of state, and his girlfriend was five months pregnant, Hill Sr. said.

    “It was God’s gift, they take my baby and bringing another one into the world,” he said.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  12. @eah

    She was a county judge for 22 years before applying for the DA job. At the time, there was a mini-scandal about her having cut and pasted other people’s work into her application, without attribution. So, basically, your average county level bureaucrat of low to middling quality.

    https://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/alleged-plagiarism-could-shake-up-contra-costa-da-selection/article_8763f497-c9e5-52d2-8fce-7e4e6f083000.html

  13. El Dato says:
    @Ed

    “It was God’s gift, they take my baby and bringing another one into the world,” he said.

    This is how Africa kept going since the last ice age.

  14. Sean says:

    Prosecutors need to need to flip one of the persons of interest and get him to turn state’s evidence, but none are biting because they all have similarly low IQ. In the Prisoner’s Dilemma the smartest would be the first to defect. Why risk doing 20 when you can give a friend 99?

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Jonathan Mason
  15. ic1000 says:
    @Anon

    > It looks like no one is talking to the police, so they’re having trouble charging people.

    Yes, the same problem stymied the Manhattan DA in the Proud Boys assault case.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Harry Baldwin
  16. Sean says:
    @ic1000

    Two of the Proud Boys accused took the deal and walked with five days community service. Four years!

  17. bomag says:
    @Sean

    In the Prisoner’s Dilemma the smartest would be the first to defect.

    Are you trolling? Looks like they are playing the smart game; none of them are going to do 20 years, let alone 99.

    • Replies: @Sean
  18. Brutusale says:

    I know people who laughed when I would talk about the Soros drive to elect DAs. The election of village idiot Rachel Rollins in Suffolk County (Boston) was a warning shot.

  19. Dumbo says:
    @Anon

    Snitches get stitches?

  20. bomag says:
    @Anon

    In my more heavily policed community, all these guys would reliably be out on parole for the usual litany of drug crimes; weapon violations; petty assaults; etc., so at least they would be held and serve time for earlier charges.

    But San Fran et al were so anxious to bitch and moan about marijuana users getting long sentences; ends up being fewer tools for law enforcement.

  21. Anno says:

    This explains it:

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Murder-cases-like-Halloween-night-massacre-in-14847576.php

    In shootings in large groups figuring out who is at fault and who is a victim, beyond a reasonable doubt, is impossible. The cops used a special kind of judicial arrest warrant, got some guys in, and sweated them, but no confessions. They’re apparently trying the same trick on a new batch of partygoers.

  22. Jake says:
    @Anon

    Or cousin or close friend of a gang banger or ganger banger’s ho. Or local black pol or educator or journalist needing to be seen as truly black, as blackly authentic.

    The really nice black family – no members with arrest records, parents married, go to church, do not strut around acting like trash – that moves into your neighborhood? Odds are good that it has fairly close kin or friends from the past that are nasty black, that are criminal, that are twitching to lash out violently. If that good black family does not cut all ties to its black past, it will bring the typical black world into your neighborhood when the cousins and friends visit.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @MBlanc46
  23. Anon[863] • Disclaimer says:

    It seems like cops need to set up online entrapment squads, like they do with pedo. Get some black cops on the keyboards, set up plausible identities, and dive into chats with suspects.

    Remember that Chipotle thing that went from a fired racist manager to a rehired hero manager after the kids’ confessions of repeatedly ripping off Chipotle were found on Twitter?

  24. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale

    I know people who laughed when I would talk about the Soros drive to elect DAs. The election of village idiot Rachel Rollins in Suffolk County (Boston) was a warning shot.

    Yeah, Rollins doesn’t prosecute for theft, robbery, and shootings by dindu nuffins but she will prosecute 21-year South Korean Boston College students for manslaughter because they once sent hurtful text messages to their boyfriends who later commit suicide.

    Former BC Student Says Texts Show She Tried to Talk Boyfriend Out of Killing Himself

    “I’m not gonna be anywhere inyoung this is goodbye forever. I love you. This isn’t your fault it’s mine,” Urtula says in one text transcribed by the Globe.

    “IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP,” You replies. “IF U EVER [expletive] LOVED ME STOP.”

    Urtula allegedly jumped to his death from the Renaissance parking garage in Roxbury around 8:35 a.m. on May 20, just 90 minutes before he was scheduled to walk across the stage at Boston College’s commencement. His family had traveled from New Jersey to see him graduate.

    Prosecutor ‘very confident’ of case against former Boston College student who allegedly convinced boyfriend to kill himself
    By Mark Osborne
    Nov 27, 2019, 1:22 AM ET

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/prosecutor-confident-case-boston-college-student-allegedly-convinced/story?id=67335364

    The final texts the day he killed himself (clearly seems like she tried to talk him out of suicide):

    “Where the [expletive] are you,” she wrote in a series of expletive-laden texts.

    “Who’d you run into or talk to? Whose room did u go to? Hello.”

    Urtula replied, “I’m not talking to anyone. I won’t ever again. I’m happy I got to spend my last night with you. I love you inyoung until my last breath.”

    “Then WHERE ARE YOU,” she wrote.

    You began to chide him for not responding to her questions.

    “I ASKED U WHY UR LOCATION WASN’T AVAILABLE,” she wrote in all caps. “ARE U KIDDING ME.”

    Urtula replied: “I’m not gonna be anywhere inyoung this is goodbye forever. I love you. This isn’t your fault it’s mine.”

    “What,” she wrote. “What. UR LEAVING ME”

    “I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula replied. “I’m leaving everyone.”

    You began typing in all capital letters and misspelling words.

    “ALEX,” she wrote. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP. IF U EVER [expletive] LOVED ME STOP.”

    “I did love you just not well enough,” Urtula wrote. “Good bye.”

    “STOP,” she wrote.

    “You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” he replied.

    “PLWASE STOp,” she wrote. “Talk to me. STOP. STOP. PLESEE. IM CRYING PLEASE. PICK UP. PLEASE . . . DON’T LEAVE ME LIKE THAT. IF U EVER LOVED ME STOP. IF YOU WANNA SHOW ME U LOVE ME STOP . . . please pick up . . . talk to me please.”

    You continued to send a flurry of texts, repeating the word “please” more than 100 times. But it was a one-sided conversation…

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/11/19/transcript-text-messages-between-inyoung-you-and-alex-urtula/0z9izqMqHR4xX5XGT0rplM/story.html

  25. Hibernian says:

    Kim Foxx in Chicago is another Public Defender masquerading as a DA. She was put in the job by The Machine with no Soros involvement AFAIK.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    , @Lot
    , @fnn
  26. @Triumph104

    Stripping pays better than forensic work.
    Unless you’re working for the cartels, like in The Accountant.

    • Replies: @TWS
  27. @eah

    There is definitely sumpin’ bad wrong with the white people (65% of total pop.) in Contra Costa County. The place is only 9.5 per cent black/African American. There are many counties that are 25% black that would never have this thing for a DA.

    • Replies: @eah
  28. @Jon

    In my part of Liverpool the debate still rages, well simpers, as to whether the Irish can ever really be considered white.
    Humanity is considered a reach for them by some.

  29. Arclight says:

    Not that I think this is the actual reason, but if law enforcement was interested in a hands-off means of cleaning up the local gene pool and an eventual reduction in the criminally inclined, wouldn’t you basically want the perpetrators back into the community so that the tit-for-tat violence that accounts for a huge percentage of urban crime just sort of takes care of things themselves?

  30. @Hibernian

    George Soros Spent $408k on Prosecutor in Jussie Smollett Case

    New details tonight in the bombshell case of Jussie Smollett. Records now show that left-wing billionaire and mega donor George Soros was a huge funder of Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx.

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/george-soros-jussie-smollett/

  31. @Jon

    Shampoo + Imron* = Shamron

    *”In 1972, DuPont introduced Imron® polyurethane enamel, characterizing it as “the wet look that lasts” because of its gloss, chemical resistance and durability. In the 32 years since then, Imron has lived up to that appellation, and in the process has become the most well-known paint among the manufacturers, owners and painters of commercial vehicles. Its reputation has spread to other markets, most notably the aircraft industry, where it’s a favorite with owners and manufacturers of single- and twin-engine planes. Indeed, when truck owners, aircraft owners and those in the refinish industry speak of polyurethane enamels, the first name that comes to mind is Imron.”

  32. “At the heart of our mission is the idea that people are fundamentally good
    and every community is a place where you can belong. I sincerely believe
    that [discrimination] is the greatest challenge we face as a company. It cuts
    to the core of who we are and the values that we stand for.”

    —Brian Chesky, CEO, Co-founder of Airbnb

    Mission Accomplished!

  33. @ic1000

    In cities like Seattle, Portland, and now New York, Antifa is treated as a sort of police auxiliary. It is only recently that we see a few examples of Antifa violence being prosecuted. Many previous assaults went unpunished or, as in the case of the bike-lock assailant, punished with a slap on the wrist.

    The media always identifies Antifa by its own terms, as an “anti-fascist group,” while it identifies the Proud Boys as white supremacist and far-right extremists, terms with which the group would not describe itself.

    Antifa is often described as a group that arose to fight right-wing violence, though it predated the creation of the Proud Boys by a considerable time. It’s more accurate to say the reverse, that the Proud Boys were a response to Antifa. (Gavin McInnes was disgusted by the Antifa rampage in Washington, DC during Trump’s inauguration, for which all charges were dropped for those arrested.)

    Antifa will show up at any conservative or pro-Trump rally in an attempt to provoke a confrontation, while as far as I know the Proud Boys do not show up at left-wing events looking for trouble.

    Some articles on how the NYC travesty went down.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/nyregion/proud-boys-nyc-trial.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/nyregion/proud-boys-antifa-trial.html

    • Replies: @Anon
  34. Lot says:
    @Hibernian

    “ She was put in the job by The Machine with no Soros involvement AFAIK.”

    Foxx defeated incumbent Anita Alverez, a career prosecutor aligned with Rahm and the police unions, and was targeted by Soros and BLM groups.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  35. TWS says:
    @Jon

    You’ve never heard of the black Irish?

  36. TWS says:
    @eah

    Soros’ plan to change our prosecutors and secretaries of state bears strange fruit.

    • Replies: @eah
  37. fnn says:
    @Hibernian

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/the-new-sheriff-in-town/

    Chicago DA Kim Foxx, famous for dropping all charges against Jussie Smollett in an act of corruption that shocked everyone, received $408,000 from Soros’ PAC in her race. Foxx’s re-election effort is being massively bankrolled by Jewry, with Fred Eyechaner giving her $811,000, Michael Sacks pitching in $212,250 and Michael Rubin contributing $105,800 – they seem to like what she’s doing.

  38. @Sean

    Prosecutors need to need to flip one of the persons of interest and get him to turn state’s evidence, but none are biting because they all have similarly low IQ.

    Time will tell. Even if there is nothing right now at some time in the future, maybe the not very distant future, someone will be arrested and looking to do a plea deal and will give up some information. It is hard to get someone to testify in public because these murderers will kill witnesses and snitches if they can. ALternatively, one of the suspects will be arrested for another crime and looking for a way out.

    The trouble with a lot of these street gamg killers is that prison is not really a punishment for them. They have been in and out of juvie since they were old enough to be illiterate, and most likely have already done prison time and have many friends in prison. Prison is a way of life for them, and they are perfectly happy there.

    In prisons, even solitary confinement is not much of a punishment, because a) they usually have a cell mate or “bunkie” so it is not solitary, b) they can stay in bed until lunch time instead of having to get up and start work at 3 a.m. in the prison kitchen, or other jobs. Eventually they will get up and take a shower, eat, get some fresh air in a cage, and work on tattooing their faces, or other nefarious activities.

  39. @Brutusale

    I know people who laughed when I would talk about the Soros drive to elect DAs. The election of village idiot Rachel Rollins in Suffolk County (Boston) was a warning shot.

    His secretary of state drive was quite successful. His man in Minnesota won two recounts, one of which put Al Franken in the Senate.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  40. Lycurgus says:

    Part of the ongoing decriminalization effort in CA.

  41. As long as the vics were all orcs, who cares?

    With feather-light sentences and 38th chances, convictions barely slow them down anyway.

  42. @Arclight

    Yep, releasing them into the “community” is the best way to shorten their careers. Unfortunately, they’ll hurt lots more innocent people before they get offed.

    • Replies: @Arclight
  43. @Anonymous

    Then again the martyr of Ferguson MO was plain old Mike.

  44. I live in the area. .The Good White mentality of reality avoidance is everywhere, like an oppressive wall of denial. When preference falsification reaches a certain stage, the only rational thing to do (on a personal level) is to shut up and keep walking.

  45. Anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Antifa has been learning something from Fred Phelps’ tactics.

  46. Rob McX says:

    A couple more incidents like this and Airbnb will be accused of having a clandestine eugenic agenda.

  47. The real action will be the civil suit where Airbnb and the home owner get sued. We are now past the point where homeowners can use any kind of discretion about who they will rent to but that won’t matter; it was their fault.

    One of the good things about Orinda / Lamorinda is that there are not a lot of rental units but there is pressure to build them. Lafayette just built some ‘affordable’ housing for seniors. I think the total will ad 3-5,000 people to about 24,000 now. It was either that or low income. The fewer the better. It is fortunate because we live on 1/2 acre lots but are within walking distance to BART so the regional planners want to in fill as many high density units as possible and populate them with people who look different from the ones already living there. The other thing is that there are a lot of homeowners that want to put in second structures in the backyards for granny units. Renting them out is like owning a gold mine. That and Asians that live in extended families who want to keep their parents close since we don’t have attics.

  48. @Arclight

    That’s a great idea, as long as you surround their district with an electrified fence to prevent them from victimizing decent people outside Thug District.

  49. C’mon zeks. Everyone who’s followed Kersey for even a little time will know immediately who da killaz wuz at the Halloween Party gong-rong. It wuz SUMDOODZ! That’s who the brilliant over-achiever DA should name on the charge. As they like to say in New Delhi: That Sumdood is a charge-sheeter!

  50. The local residents are not that freaked out. It was pretty well understood as soon as it happened that these were outsiders killing other outsiders. If this were a local teenager like Scott Dyleski killing a homeowner, people would have reacted differently. I think the locals are more angry at the home owner for renting out their home for a “mansion party” than they are at the Negros that did the killing. It is just assumed they would behave that way so no surprises here.

  51. eah says:
    @TWS

    • Replies: @TWS
  52. Arclight says:
    @International Jew

    That is true – but given the cultural aversion to cooperating with police and supporting extensive sentencing for those that transgress society’s norms, I am guessing a lot in the law enforcement machinery aren’t going break their backs on these types of cases.

    When I lived in an overwhelmingly black neighborhood, the attitude towards a lot of the crime and collateral damage was just a shrugging of the shoulders and the comment that it was taking people out that no one was going to miss anyway. Even when something awful happened like a 4 year old getting mowed down because it was on the porch with a bunch of adults at 2 AM, a lot of my neighbors seemed to figure that kid was going to turn out bad anyway. Overall my neighbors seemed to be willing to tolerate a pretty high level of social disorder and crime rather than get the authorities actively involved, although I did have several confide that one of the things they liked about having whites move in was that we’d call the cops for things that most of the neighbors would not, and it definitely tamped down on criminal activity.

  53. Muggles says:

    In Waco TX a few years ago (2017) local biker clubs (“gangs”) including the dominant Banditos and other affiliated and/or smaller rival clubs met at a local restaurant to hold a meeting to iron out grievances. At some point in the parking lot guns were drawn and a number of shots fired. I think a couple of bikers were killed and others wounded.

    The place had been crawling with undercover cops supposedly monitoring the event to “stop violence.” It turns out most of the shooting was done by the cops including all but one fatality. The local DA had everyone there (over a 100) arrested for various conspiracy charges, intent to murder, etc. High bail imposed which some couldn’t afford. Many lost jobs.

    Over a year later the DA was ousted in an election. No biker trial ever held; no cops held accountable for their mass shooting into the crowds, charges all dropped. This is how Waco redneck cops “protected” their community. Turning a minor beef (albeit with some violence) into a mass shooting by police. So screwed up no crimes ever prosecuted. Initial headlines of course were hysterical. Thank god for the attorneys.

  54. eah says:
    @Jim bob Lassiter

    (65% of total pop.)

    I assume you used Wikipedia for this (?) — but if you look, the % totals add up to > 100% — this is often due to an inability or failure to disentangle Whites and Hispanics; other sites I checked have the same problem — personally, I don’t believe Whites are > 50% of the population of CCC — the US Census estimates as of 1 Jul 2018 “White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent” at 43.2%; this is probably close — keep in mind that there is typically low interest in and very low turnout for and/or little voting in these local elections (turnout for the 2016 presidential was < 60%) — so an organized campaign targeting turnout among certain demographic groups could easily put someone like Becton in office — see comment #36.

  55. The part that was interesting to me was that one of the dead, J. County, was part of the hit squad team. The last time I looked the wikipedia article had him as the loving father of three children who took them trick or treating early on the night of his senseless killing. But I just double checked and the loving father bit has been deleted. He is still described as a victim.

    A hundred people saw it and there is not one reliable witness. I predict early violent deaths for all of the people the county is unable to prosecute.

    Don’t the cops and the prosecutor usually have a meeting before they make an arrest like this and have a big press conference? They definitely were not working off the same Word document this time.

  56. @Brutusale

    Part of what Soros might be up to is that he is basically prefunding legal aid for Antifa types and racial advocates like Smollett. It is cheaper and less traceable than were he to pay for lawyers one individual at a time.

    He also might be trying to avert a race war, particularly right when an election or nomination to SCOTUS is looming. By selecting who gets prosecuted and when, it lessens the odds that a Trayvon shit fit gets ignited at the wrong moment and goes viral.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
  57. J.Ross says:

    The entire purpose of paying any attention to mass shootings is to eliminate the Constitution while demonizing whites. Whites weren’t involved here and the guns were (just guessing) not lawful arms purchased at a brick and mortar store with background checks in order to actualize the militia tradition, so in other words there was no crime.

  58. @The Alarmist

    No, you still don’t get it. Black lives only matter when they are taken by white racists. 😉

  59. @Jake

    That’s what happens to neighborhoods when Section 8 houses are handed out to unmarried mothers with several gangster teenagers living with her. Their babymommas show up along with all the other acquaintances from their old neighborhood, and the better neighborhood they are moved into becomes like the old one

  60. TWS says:
    @Redneck farmer

    For a decade or so depending on the woman stripping can pay more than most jobs.

  61. Dr. X says:

    There’s no need to prosecute a mass shooting case unless it can be used as a propaganda event to disarm rural white men…

  62. Hibernian says:
    @Bill Jones

    Of course the Protestant soccer fans are perfect gentlemen.

  63. Hibernian says:
    @Lot

    I stand corrected on the Soros involvement and should have acknowledged the fact that both candidates were backed by (different) elements of The Machine.

  64. J.Ross says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Gosh, if only there was a massive national concern about foreign interference in our society and the deliberate delegitimization of our institutions by hostile foreigners.

  65. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jake

    Even if the good black family tries to cut ties to the ’hood, the ’hood will resist having those ties cut.

  66. @Anonymous

    As Steve wrote, if you are named something like Trayvon your problem is your last name.

    Stupid gonna stupid.  We really and truly need a program to stop the stupid from breeding.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  67. anon1999 says:
    @Jon

    At least it makes it easy to know the race of the perpetrators.

  68. @Mr. Rational

    We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind….Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

    Oliver Wendell Holmes writing for the Court, Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200, 207 (1927) (endorsing Virginia’s eugenics program).

    We had eugenics up and running until the world war two kvetching spooked it. The good news is this hasn’t been purged from wikiquote (yet).

  69. Sean says:
    @bomag

    Both John von Neumann and Bertrand Russell advocated a nuclear strike, or the threat of one, to prevent the Soviets acquiring the atomic bomb. There are few precedents to guide an understanding what pure non-anthropocentric rationality, would dictate for someone in the Prisoner’s Dilemma, but such an analysis would surely be moving along different lines to the evolved “trust group members” assessments of humans. Immediately defect is the ultimate strategy.

    • Replies: @bomag
  70. Duke84 says:

    There was another mass shooting in Bronx on Wednesday that hasn’t received any media coverage.The usual suspects of course.

  71. @Anonymous

    What an absolute waste of tax dollars.

  72. bomag says:
    @Sean

    Immediately defect is the ultimate strategy.

    Depends on premises and costs; not at all a categorical conclusion. Nash equilibrium?

    In this case, spilling to the criminal justice system could be considered the cooperating strategy, while sticking with your buddies is the defection.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  73. Indocon says:
    @eah

    This is still supposedly the most conservative, or least liberal County of the Bay Area.

  74. Indocon says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Soros has bankrolled the election of similar extreme left wing criminal friendly DA’s across the country including places like Dallas, Charlotte, and Atlanta. If you are a average working person with these family in these areas, you have to see the writing on the wall, plan on moving to places like Boise which do not have the demographics yet to help elect those kind of people. The slow moving separation of population in this country is in full swing right now.

  75. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Oy, where be the orgasmically earnest biamorous pansexual feminists and “believe woman” kinds at now, eh?

    Too busy shopping on “Black Friday”?

    Or is it ok now because no whites are involved and a female member of the angry samurai race is the DA?

  76. El Dato says:
    @bomag

    In this case, spilling to the criminal justice system could be considered the cooperating strategy, while sticking with your buddies is the defection.

    That’s just the labeling though. Call it A and B.

    https://xplaind.com/472079/prisoners-dilemma

    • Replies: @bomag
  77. Anybody know what’s going on out there?

    That’s easy, “privilege” that and snitches get stitches……..or worse.

  78. TWS says:
    @eah

    We send some guy who may or may not have worked for the Nazis back to a prison cell in his nineties but this guy who openly collaborated gets a pass.

  79. @Anonymous

    I don’t understand the legal basis for convicting someone of murder because they told someone else they should kill themselves. (Not that that’s what happened here, but in previous cases.)

  80. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous

    She’s in deep doo-doo. The precedent here in the People’s Commonwealth was already set.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Conrad_Roy

    Deeply screwed-up people have the uncanny instinct for finding one another.

  81. bomag says:
    @El Dato

    …labeling

    Partly that.

    But partly, who is facing a deal; who is having to decide what to take? In these San Fran et al areas, the default is to say nothing, as the creaking enforcement apparatus and juries are shy to put anyone on trial, or convict. The State becomes the one deciding what numbers it faces; how sweet a deal to take.

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