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T. Rees Shapiro reports in the Washington Post:

Jury awards $3 million in damages to U-Va. dean for Rolling Stone defamation

By T. Rees Shapiro November 7 at 8:40 PM

CHARLOTTESVILLE — A federal jury has awarded $3 million in damages to a former University of Virginia associate dean after finding that a Rolling Stone magazine article sullied her reputation by alleging that she was indifferent to allegations of a gang rape on campus.

The 10 jurors heard arguments for damages in the case Monday, determining that Nicole Eramo’s suffering should cost a reporter and Rolling Stone multiple millions as a result of the article, which was retracted after its serious flaws were exposed. Eramo testified during the trial that after the article published, she faced threats, lost her ability to pursue her life’s work as a sexual assault prevention advocate, and took a major hit to her professional credibility.

On Friday, the same jury found that the magazine and one of its journalists, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, was liable for defaming Eramo in a 9,000-word account of sexual assault published in November 2014.

The jury awarded Eramo $2 million from Erdely and $1 million from Rolling Stone, less than half of the original $7.5 million that Eramo sought when she filed her lawsuit in May 2015. But in judging the seriousness of Eramo’s false portrayal in the magazine, jurors still found considerable fault in the reporting and publishing of the story, deciding after more than two weeks of testimony and argument that Rolling Stone acted with “actual malice.”

 
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  2. Seems tiring to have to write these kinds of articles while making it sound like the option that it happened is still open. Or maybe that comes natural to (((Shapiro))).

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  3. What will happen now ? is there any way that Erdrey could pay 2 million ?

    I am glad that Eramo won, but 3 million seems a bit much.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Erdely may file bankruptcy to escape paying. That would not surprise many.
    , @Thea
    It will be appealed. Then several things could happen. If Erdely loses, a lot of her property will be confiscated & she will file bankruptcy. Then she has lawyers fees
    , @Olorin
    I dunno. Sabrina Rubin's and her husband's house is listed on Zillow as worth $875,000. He probably pulls down $300-500K per year, as another commenter estimated in another thread. She had a cool $300K contract with RS. Though she shot herself in the foot before getting all that dough, it's not unreasonable to expect she was pulling down big money for her other/previous Anti-White Animus hit pieces/confabulations.

    Who knows what her husband--Center City Philly lawyer and former assistant DA Peter Erdely--is worth, or what inheritances/trust funds they bring to their marriage, or what summer houses/condos they own, or what their investment portfolios look like, etc. These are not people who live like the rest of us.

    In any case, the amount will probably be, erm, um, uh...chewed down some. But $2 million should sting a bit.

    And it should.

    I wish RS had been forced to pay more. Jann Wenner's company is worth what, 700 million? A measly million--piffle. This is a guy who buys Calvin Klein models to boost his aging libido and rapidly wrinking brand.

    OTOH, it's probably just cheaper to turn over the rock and reveal the slime beneath. A big fine would have led to costly legal wrangling and more hell for Ms. Eramo.

    , @shockedtoinaction
    Why is $3M a bit much?
    This rag and this turkey owner Jann Wenner merely tried to destroy this woman's life, among others. A punitive award has to sting to be punishment. Hence the name.

    Wenner is worth a big part of $1B.
    He tried to take a big part of her life.
    Give her a big part of the proceeds from his, minimum $300 M.
    , @Barnard
    They tried to destroy her life and stuck with Jackie Coakley's implausible story even through the trial. After the lawyers take their cut, Eramo might have enough to retire. The jury should have put more on Rolling Stone since they can't get out of it by filing bankruptcy.
    , @Jack D
    NYT says that she is indemnified by RS according to the terms of their agreement. She won't have to pay a cent personally - RS will pay everything. The jury is not told this.
  4. I am hoping that the frat ends up owning the magazine.

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    • Disagree: Abe
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    naaaah. Millennials don't care about magazines and "old school" stuff...boring. BTW, "boring," is a thing. No, the frat bros will suck as much money as they can off of RS - good riddance to bad trash. Millennials barely read books...magazines are so over.
    , @Abe
    Sorry, meant to LOL your comment; hit wrong button (big finger, small screen...)
  5. Anybody know what the Duke lacrosse team got in damages (or were the cases settled out of court for nondisclosed sums?)

    Whatever they got, it obviously wasn’t enough to dissuade JSJWs like Rubin-Erdley and publications like Rolling Stone from libel.

    Damages like this send a message… we need to see more of this, so the leftist Establishment will learn from it.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Anybody know what the Duke lacrosse team got in damages (or were the cases settled out of court for nondisclosed sums?)
     
    Didn't several of the accused Duke guys apologize to the stripper, not for raping her, but for 'hurting her feelings' or something similar? This will make it hard for them to get damages over the issue. You should never apologize in these situations.
  6. @AKAHorace
    What will happen now ? is there any way that Erdrey could pay 2 million ?

    I am glad that Eramo won, but 3 million seems a bit much.

    Erdely may file bankruptcy to escape paying. That would not surprise many.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Erdely may file bankruptcy to escape paying
     
    It is a certainty. Which is why the Erdely lawyers should have to pay 1/3 of the judgement. (Or 40% if that is their standard charge.)
    , @Joeseph Schmoe
    The debt may not be dischargeable in bankruptcy. Many debts that arise out of international wrongdoing (like fraud, or in this case, defamation) can't be discharged in bankruptcy.
  7. @AKAHorace
    What will happen now ? is there any way that Erdrey could pay 2 million ?

    I am glad that Eramo won, but 3 million seems a bit much.

    It will be appealed. Then several things could happen. If Erdely loses, a lot of her property will be confiscated & she will file bankruptcy. Then she has lawyers fees

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  8. @AKAHorace
    What will happen now ? is there any way that Erdrey could pay 2 million ?

    I am glad that Eramo won, but 3 million seems a bit much.

    I dunno. Sabrina Rubin’s and her husband’s house is listed on Zillow as worth $875,000. He probably pulls down $300-500K per year, as another commenter estimated in another thread. She had a cool $300K contract with RS. Though she shot herself in the foot before getting all that dough, it’s not unreasonable to expect she was pulling down big money for her other/previous Anti-White Animus hit pieces/confabulations.

    Who knows what her husband–Center City Philly lawyer and former assistant DA Peter Erdely–is worth, or what inheritances/trust funds they bring to their marriage, or what summer houses/condos they own, or what their investment portfolios look like, etc. These are not people who live like the rest of us.

    In any case, the amount will probably be, erm, um, uh…chewed down some. But $2 million should sting a bit.

    And it should.

    I wish RS had been forced to pay more. Jann Wenner’s company is worth what, 700 million? A measly million–piffle. This is a guy who buys Calvin Klein models to boost his aging libido and rapidly wrinking brand.

    OTOH, it’s probably just cheaper to turn over the rock and reveal the slime beneath. A big fine would have led to costly legal wrangling and more hell for Ms. Eramo.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    He probably pulls down $300-500K per year, as another commenter estimated in another thread.

    How do you come up with this number?
    , @anonymous
    Don't forget the inevitable seven figure book deal coming her way.
  9. Not a great result for the plaintiff. You want the deeper pockets to be on the hook for most of it. Doubt that reporter has $2 mil.

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  10. @Ivy
    Erdely may file bankruptcy to escape paying. That would not surprise many.

    Erdely may file bankruptcy to escape paying

    It is a certainty. Which is why the Erdely lawyers should have to pay 1/3 of the judgement. (Or 40% if that is their standard charge.)

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  11. I wonder how Gary Trudeau feels about this. He swallowed Erdely’s story hook, line, and sinker and continued to feature it in Doonesbury well after the narrative had begun collapsing. He’s a wealthy guy, maybe he should kick in a million.

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    • Replies: @biz
    Gary Trudeau also said that Charlie Hebdo was "punching down" by drawing cartoons of Mohammad, and therefore entitled to limited sympathy.

    He's a dildo.

    , @Lagertha
    Gary Trudeau, if he was a truly honorable man of principles, should send our Steve 1 million. This would be insurance for Trudeau to be certain, that on his death bed, God may still take him to heaven :). He needs to prove his worth, after all these years. It's fun to poke fun at people for decades through cartoons, but, when you know you were played, and acted like a jerk despite the evidence, well, you better beg for penance.
    , @Fran Macadam
    Maybe he can be sued now, too. Shoulda stuck to Bill the Cat.
  12. @Ivy
    Erdely may file bankruptcy to escape paying. That would not surprise many.

    The debt may not be dischargeable in bankruptcy. Many debts that arise out of international wrongdoing (like fraud, or in this case, defamation) can’t be discharged in bankruptcy.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman
    Bankruptcy Code Section 523(a)(6) says debts for "for willful and malicious injury by the debtor to another entity or to the property of another entity} are not dischargeable. I don't know whether defamation with "actual malice" would qualify.
  13. lost her ability to pursue her life’s work as a sexual assault prevention advocate

    I didn’t know that was what she did. So, very likely, she’s part of the same scam industry. She just didn’t go as far as she was asked to go that time.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    It's almost certainly an exaggeration by her lawyers, to inoculate against the possibility of SJWs on the jury.
    , @Fran Macadam
    You should always believe the victim - if, in fact there is a victim. Until recently, there has been no downside to the personal destruction that is able to be unleashed without consequence through bearing such false witness to being a victim. Which undermined public confidence that even the real accusations have merit. The argument by some among the progressives that it is necessary even to defend false accusers to protect the greater number of real victims, therefore fails. As usual adding more misery instead of alleviatng it.
    , @dearieme
    "Erato ... lost her ability to pursue her life’s work as a sexual assault prevention advocate": it's a pity they couldn't both lose, then.
    , @Forbes
    Eramo was/is part of the same 'campus rape crisis' scam. Her downfall, as far a RS was concerned, was that she didn't sufficiently advocate on behalf of Jackie who was perpetrating the hoax of a fake gang rape. So in the instance that there was no actual sexual assault victim, amidst a campus environment that incites the hysteria of a rape crisis where none exists, a victim was born Virgin Mary-like, conceived without the act.

    The booty from the victorious lawsuit is merely being recycled from one advocate of a hoax (RS) to another advocate--Eramo.

    The irony should not be lost on anyone.
  14. The worst part of the story is that Eramo had breast cancer concurrent with the defamation. My God.

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    " The Wrong Lady Got Sick ! "
    , @Jack D
    The NYT said that Eramo wept on the witness stand and several of the jurors were seen to weep also. If I was RS counsel, I would have upped my settlement offer as soon as I saw that.

    Maybe if Hillary would go on TV today and weep she would win the sympathy vote.
  15. @International Jew

    lost her ability to pursue her life’s work as a sexual assault prevention advocate
     
    I didn't know that was what she did. So, very likely, she's part of the same scam industry. She just didn't go as far as she was asked to go that time.

    It’s almost certainly an exaggeration by her lawyers, to inoculate against the possibility of SJWs on the jury.

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  16. @Spmoore8
    The worst part of the story is that Eramo had breast cancer concurrent with the defamation. My God.

    ” The Wrong Lady Got Sick ! “

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  17. @AKAHorace
    What will happen now ? is there any way that Erdrey could pay 2 million ?

    I am glad that Eramo won, but 3 million seems a bit much.

    Why is $3M a bit much?
    This rag and this turkey owner Jann Wenner merely tried to destroy this woman’s life, among others. A punitive award has to sting to be punishment. Hence the name.

    Wenner is worth a big part of $1B.
    He tried to take a big part of her life.
    Give her a big part of the proceeds from his, minimum $300 M.

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    • Agree: Barnard
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    he is totally done.
    , @Erdely's Ghost
    It should be at least 300 million dollars.
  18. @Harry Baldwin
    I wonder how Gary Trudeau feels about this. He swallowed Erdely's story hook, line, and sinker and continued to feature it in Doonesbury well after the narrative had begun collapsing. He's a wealthy guy, maybe he should kick in a million.

    Gary Trudeau also said that Charlie Hebdo was “punching down” by drawing cartoons of Mohammad, and therefore entitled to limited sympathy.

    He’s a dildo.

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  19. its serious flaws

    Speaking of “serious flaws”: it seems to me that T Rees Shapiro just cannot quite bring himself to admit that the most ‘serious flaw’ of all was that the entire story was a ridiculous concocted lie right from the beginning — bizarre.

    OT

    The end of one of the better twitter parody accounts — thanks for the laughs:

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  20. @AKAHorace
    What will happen now ? is there any way that Erdrey could pay 2 million ?

    I am glad that Eramo won, but 3 million seems a bit much.

    They tried to destroy her life and stuck with Jackie Coakley’s implausible story even through the trial. After the lawyers take their cut, Eramo might have enough to retire. The jury should have put more on Rolling Stone since they can’t get out of it by filing bankruptcy.

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    Yeah, she might have enough to fund her retirement account. After the lawyers' take and federal and state TAXES, Eramo will be lucky to clear $1 million.
  21. @Joeseph Schmoe
    The debt may not be dischargeable in bankruptcy. Many debts that arise out of international wrongdoing (like fraud, or in this case, defamation) can't be discharged in bankruptcy.

    Bankruptcy Code Section 523(a)(6) says debts for “for willful and malicious injury by the debtor to another entity or to the property of another entity} are not dischargeable. I don’t know whether defamation with “actual malice” would qualify.

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  22. @wren
    I am hoping that the frat ends up owning the magazine.

    naaaah. Millennials don’t care about magazines and “old school” stuff…boring. BTW, “boring,” is a thing. No, the frat bros will suck as much money as they can off of RS – good riddance to bad trash. Millennials barely read books…magazines are so over.

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  23. @shockedtoinaction
    Why is $3M a bit much?
    This rag and this turkey owner Jann Wenner merely tried to destroy this woman's life, among others. A punitive award has to sting to be punishment. Hence the name.

    Wenner is worth a big part of $1B.
    He tried to take a big part of her life.
    Give her a big part of the proceeds from his, minimum $300 M.

    he is totally done.

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  24. @Harry Baldwin
    I wonder how Gary Trudeau feels about this. He swallowed Erdely's story hook, line, and sinker and continued to feature it in Doonesbury well after the narrative had begun collapsing. He's a wealthy guy, maybe he should kick in a million.

    Gary Trudeau, if he was a truly honorable man of principles, should send our Steve 1 million. This would be insurance for Trudeau to be certain, that on his death bed, God may still take him to heaven :). He needs to prove his worth, after all these years. It’s fun to poke fun at people for decades through cartoons, but, when you know you were played, and acted like a jerk despite the evidence, well, you better beg for penance.

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  25. @ben tillman
    Bankruptcy Code Section 523(a)(6) says debts for "for willful and malicious injury by the debtor to another entity or to the property of another entity} are not dischargeable. I don't know whether defamation with "actual malice" would qualify.

    Good news is always welcome!

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  26. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Dr. X
    Anybody know what the Duke lacrosse team got in damages (or were the cases settled out of court for nondisclosed sums?)

    Whatever they got, it obviously wasn't enough to dissuade JSJWs like Rubin-Erdley and publications like Rolling Stone from libel.

    Damages like this send a message... we need to see more of this, so the leftist Establishment will learn from it.

    Anybody know what the Duke lacrosse team got in damages (or were the cases settled out of court for nondisclosed sums?)

    Didn’t several of the accused Duke guys apologize to the stripper, not for raping her, but for ‘hurting her feelings’ or something similar? This will make it hard for them to get damages over the issue. You should never apologize in these situations.

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    • Replies: @anon
    The three guys indicted got $20 million each from Duke.
  27. @Harry Baldwin
    I wonder how Gary Trudeau feels about this. He swallowed Erdely's story hook, line, and sinker and continued to feature it in Doonesbury well after the narrative had begun collapsing. He's a wealthy guy, maybe he should kick in a million.

    Maybe he can be sued now, too. Shoulda stuck to Bill the Cat.

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  28. @International Jew

    lost her ability to pursue her life’s work as a sexual assault prevention advocate
     
    I didn't know that was what she did. So, very likely, she's part of the same scam industry. She just didn't go as far as she was asked to go that time.

    You should always believe the victim – if, in fact there is a victim. Until recently, there has been no downside to the personal destruction that is able to be unleashed without consequence through bearing such false witness to being a victim. Which undermined public confidence that even the real accusations have merit. The argument by some among the progressives that it is necessary even to defend false accusers to protect the greater number of real victims, therefore fails. As usual adding more misery instead of alleviatng it.

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  29. According to AP, Rolling Stone will pay Erdely’s damages and costs.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ef231e37dbdf4ae1bba752b93dc78ba5/uva-dean-wanted-disappear-after-rolling-stone-story

    I guess they had to do this or they wouldn’t be able to hire reporters.

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    • Replies: @anon
    These things tend to work out this way.

    The publisher has the deep pockets. Erderly was working for the magazine. She's a 'agent' or whatever a lawyer would call it. Respondent superior, or vicarious liability. I dunno. Plus its worth something for both Erderly and RS to be on the same team. Recall that they both had more or less the same story ... blame it on Jackie. And then argue that the rape culture part of the argument was true.
    At least based on my experience in the insurance business. The company pays (usually its insurer). The insurer is generally stuck with legal defense costs. The insurer has reinsurance. So maybe they pay the first million and the next couple of million goes to the reinsurer. The company gets a hefty rate increase from RS next year. But they (the insurer) has a lot of other customers -- and the reinsurer gets a chunk of all that. Plus RS been paying premiums for years.
    My guess is that one of the biggest problems for RS was multiple plaintiffs. They had to conduct the defense of this suit in a manner that wouldn't blow up their defense for the fraternity case. So maybe RS would have liked to just apologize and move on -- well, they then have nothing to use for leverage against the Frat. Or not -- maybe RS wanted to self justify. Strictly speculative rambling on my part ... but I've seen stuff of this magnitude at a distance.

  30. I’ve not seen discussed the question of to what extent the magazine has indemnified the reporter (or even vice versa). Whose pockets are actually being emptied?

    A pleasing outcome would be a very public dispute between those two sides over whether an indemnity covers this case. A lot of dirty laundry and infighting can be exposed that way.

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  31. @Olorin
    I dunno. Sabrina Rubin's and her husband's house is listed on Zillow as worth $875,000. He probably pulls down $300-500K per year, as another commenter estimated in another thread. She had a cool $300K contract with RS. Though she shot herself in the foot before getting all that dough, it's not unreasonable to expect she was pulling down big money for her other/previous Anti-White Animus hit pieces/confabulations.

    Who knows what her husband--Center City Philly lawyer and former assistant DA Peter Erdely--is worth, or what inheritances/trust funds they bring to their marriage, or what summer houses/condos they own, or what their investment portfolios look like, etc. These are not people who live like the rest of us.

    In any case, the amount will probably be, erm, um, uh...chewed down some. But $2 million should sting a bit.

    And it should.

    I wish RS had been forced to pay more. Jann Wenner's company is worth what, 700 million? A measly million--piffle. This is a guy who buys Calvin Klein models to boost his aging libido and rapidly wrinking brand.

    OTOH, it's probably just cheaper to turn over the rock and reveal the slime beneath. A big fine would have led to costly legal wrangling and more hell for Ms. Eramo.

    He probably pulls down $300-500K per year, as another commenter estimated in another thread.

    How do you come up with this number?

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  32. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous

    Anybody know what the Duke lacrosse team got in damages (or were the cases settled out of court for nondisclosed sums?)
     
    Didn't several of the accused Duke guys apologize to the stripper, not for raping her, but for 'hurting her feelings' or something similar? This will make it hard for them to get damages over the issue. You should never apologize in these situations.

    The three guys indicted got $20 million each from Duke.

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  33. In an earlier thread commenter I-forget-who and I were kicking around what a Center City lawyer in private practice with Peter Erdely’s experience and connections might make.

    That commenter suggested that range; I noted it wasn’t far off from what in the past I’d known that sort of lawyer to make in that market, with similar credentials, experience, and connections. Compare:

    http://www.philly.com/philly/business/law/20160801_First_year_lawyer_salaries_hit__180k_in_Philly.html

    IOW an informed but wild-donkey guess. The point wasn’t the precise amount so much as the range of earnings and where that might place such a couple relative to the local situation. (The suggestion had been made that Sabrina Rubin Erdely regularly wrote high-paying tripe out of fiscal desperation.)

    Philadelphia’s median household income was around $34,000 last I checked; median home value about $131,000. Even at the lower range of lawyerly income–$300,000–and the Zillow-based house value of $875,000, we’re talking about people not struggling along the same way your rank and file Philadelphian is. Of course most Philadelphians these days are majority black and hispanic, so there’s more at work there than low salaries.

    Thanks for asking, Op.

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  34. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @jimmyriddle
    According to AP, Rolling Stone will pay Erdely's damages and costs.


    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ef231e37dbdf4ae1bba752b93dc78ba5/uva-dean-wanted-disappear-after-rolling-stone-story

    I guess they had to do this or they wouldn't be able to hire reporters.

    These things tend to work out this way.

    The publisher has the deep pockets. Erderly was working for the magazine. She’s a ‘agent’ or whatever a lawyer would call it. Respondent superior, or vicarious liability. I dunno. Plus its worth something for both Erderly and RS to be on the same team. Recall that they both had more or less the same story … blame it on Jackie. And then argue that the rape culture part of the argument was true.
    At least based on my experience in the insurance business. The company pays (usually its insurer). The insurer is generally stuck with legal defense costs. The insurer has reinsurance. So maybe they pay the first million and the next couple of million goes to the reinsurer. The company gets a hefty rate increase from RS next year. But they (the insurer) has a lot of other customers — and the reinsurer gets a chunk of all that. Plus RS been paying premiums for years.
    My guess is that one of the biggest problems for RS was multiple plaintiffs. They had to conduct the defense of this suit in a manner that wouldn’t blow up their defense for the fraternity case. So maybe RS would have liked to just apologize and move on — well, they then have nothing to use for leverage against the Frat. Or not — maybe RS wanted to self justify. Strictly speculative rambling on my part … but I’ve seen stuff of this magnitude at a distance.

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  35. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Another minor win in the culture wars.

    Nate Parker’s Birth of a Nation is a flop financially.

    The question now is how much Fox Searchlight will lose after paying a record $17.5 million for worldwide rights to the slave-rebellion drama at the Sundance Film Festival and an estimated $18 million more on marketing. Birth had earned just $12.3 million as of Oct. 17.
    Some box-office observers believe the loss will be at least $10 million…

    Even better — from ‘Out’ magazine — the De-Queering of Nat Turner:

    Determined to project an image of strength, Nate Parker is afraid. Super-pseudo-masculinity is the flip side of the American myth of the black man’s Olympian sexual agility. It causes many in communities of color to perversely invest unwarranted worth in upholding an image rooted in slavery. Neither avoiding injury, nor life itself, is valued as highly as never showing weakness or appearing unmanly.

    Under threat of being rejected by disapproving families and friends, gay men of color share this fear of displaying the very weakness said to be definitive of who we are.

    And so it’s thanks to William Styron that, if straight and strong but narrow-minded Nate Parker found Nat Turner and saw himself, so have I. Gay or straight, male or female, black or white, many others desperate for justice will too.

    The author notes that the evidence of Nat Turner’s wife is thin or non existent. Which makes her alleged rape as a motive even more speculative.

    Where did Cherry Turner spring from? Are the trio of white men who savagely take turns raping her any less caricatured than white actors in blackface portraying African Americans in D.W. Griffith’s 1915 The Birth of a Nation? And what’s with Parker’s passive black women, women without agency? They barely speak; do they serve solely as a vehicle for heroic rescue by black men? Are women and gays always deemed by people like Nate Parker to be only less than?

    The point being that World War G is over.
    The Democratic Party reminds me of the movie, The Dirty Dozen. What a fantasy — take the most aggressive and intelligent criminals and make them into a team. To kill Nazis.
    Every other WW 2 movie had the notion of a platoon of immigrants bonding during training or combat to become a cohesive loving family of warriors. It’s not that the center won’t hold — the fringes aren’t fond of one another.

    Seems to me that this is one of those teaching moments. A conversation, as it were. I doubt that on the off chance Nate Parker reads it, he will enjoy this opportunity for self enlightenment.

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  36. Plus its worth something for both Erderly and RS to be on the same team. Recall that they both had more or less the same story … blame it on Jackie. And then argue that the rape culture part of the argument was true.

    Hmmmm. I wonder if Jackie has grounds for a suit. Sure, she made the whole thing up, but they’re trying to blame her for a lack of due diligence on their part.

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  37. This is not positive. It’s only a matter of time before this type of suit will be used against Steve. And possibly commenters as well.

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    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Yak, I get what you're saying; but it's already happening to our side, just dressed up in different legal garments.

    This is finally a case where the left is being held to account. Their immunity from accountability is what's emboldened them to press their causes through every bullying tactic. Only a "balance of terror"--an equal threat of disgrace, financial ruin, career loss, unemployability--will rein in the SJWs' appetite for prosecuting people like Mark Steyn, Steve--any of us.

    This judgment strikes a blow for that balance, not to mention for justice.

    , @Olorin
    There's a difference.

    There is nothing I've ever written here at iSteve or elsewhere on similar topics that did not come from my experience of life, or from similar experiences reported to me by others, or from data whose sources I supply as I provide it. If there's confusion on the latter point, as in this thread above (see Opinionator at #32), there is opportunity to clarify it...or agreement to disagreement.

    There may be people here getting paid to post, but I have never seen even a suggestion that anyone is paid by our host, or his host, to do so. Even our host panhandles for his ka-ching.

    By contrast, Sabrina Rubin pulled her stories out of the swamps of her imagination and confabulated it all into investigative journalism for money. She had a contract with RS paying her PER STORY over twice the US median annual income for blacks. When her story was questioned, RS doubled down on it. My guess: if Wenner had come clean at that point, the jury result would have been different.

    I have no doubt that the Rats of Demos have something up their sleeves re: attacking the First Amendment as they've attacked the Second. No doubt whatever. I'm not sure it's what you say, however.

    I think it's going to be more a slow deep chill, making it harder and more expensive to exercise 1A, and setting up barriers that quickly convert anyone targeted by the elites into felons over the slightest misstep. Or simply targeting enemies of the state with crushing legal fees and life-disrupting judicial or public attacks.

    This is what they've done with RKBA/2A.

    I'll note that as for that slow deep chill, no people are better equipped to cope with that than people of N/NW European ancestry.

  38. @International Jew

    lost her ability to pursue her life’s work as a sexual assault prevention advocate
     
    I didn't know that was what she did. So, very likely, she's part of the same scam industry. She just didn't go as far as she was asked to go that time.

    “Erato … lost her ability to pursue her life’s work as a sexual assault prevention advocate”: it’s a pity they couldn’t both lose, then.

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  39. @Yak-15
    This is not positive. It's only a matter of time before this type of suit will be used against Steve. And possibly commenters as well.

    Yak, I get what you’re saying; but it’s already happening to our side, just dressed up in different legal garments.

    This is finally a case where the left is being held to account. Their immunity from accountability is what’s emboldened them to press their causes through every bullying tactic. Only a “balance of terror”–an equal threat of disgrace, financial ruin, career loss, unemployability–will rein in the SJWs’ appetite for prosecuting people like Mark Steyn, Steve–any of us.

    This judgment strikes a blow for that balance, not to mention for justice.

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  40. @wren
    I am hoping that the frat ends up owning the magazine.

    Sorry, meant to LOL your comment; hit wrong button (big finger, small screen…)

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  41. Erdely won’t pay a dime, the NYT reports that her contract with Rolling Stone immunizes her against libel judgements (the magazine or the insurer will pay).

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    @Olorin
    I dunno. Sabrina Rubin's and her husband's house is listed on Zillow as worth $875,000. He probably pulls down $300-500K per year, as another commenter estimated in another thread. She had a cool $300K contract with RS. Though she shot herself in the foot before getting all that dough, it's not unreasonable to expect she was pulling down big money for her other/previous Anti-White Animus hit pieces/confabulations.

    Who knows what her husband--Center City Philly lawyer and former assistant DA Peter Erdely--is worth, or what inheritances/trust funds they bring to their marriage, or what summer houses/condos they own, or what their investment portfolios look like, etc. These are not people who live like the rest of us.

    In any case, the amount will probably be, erm, um, uh...chewed down some. But $2 million should sting a bit.

    And it should.

    I wish RS had been forced to pay more. Jann Wenner's company is worth what, 700 million? A measly million--piffle. This is a guy who buys Calvin Klein models to boost his aging libido and rapidly wrinking brand.

    OTOH, it's probably just cheaper to turn over the rock and reveal the slime beneath. A big fine would have led to costly legal wrangling and more hell for Ms. Eramo.

    Don’t forget the inevitable seven figure book deal coming her way.

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  43. The timing of this is unfortunate. No one will remember this happening given the proximity to the election. That is a real shame, because this case has the potential to have very significant ramifications. I will be interested in following the case involving the fraternity itself.

    I would encourage anyone interested in this to watch that 20/20 episode from a few weeks back. Dean Eramo is a very compelling and sympathetic figure. She is not the SJW many would automatically envision. I know those shows can be one step removed from scripted reality TV, but Eramo appeared to be extraordinarily sincere.

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  44. @AKAHorace
    What will happen now ? is there any way that Erdrey could pay 2 million ?

    I am glad that Eramo won, but 3 million seems a bit much.

    NYT says that she is indemnified by RS according to the terms of their agreement. She won’t have to pay a cent personally – RS will pay everything. The jury is not told this.

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  45. @Spmoore8
    The worst part of the story is that Eramo had breast cancer concurrent with the defamation. My God.

    The NYT said that Eramo wept on the witness stand and several of the jurors were seen to weep also. If I was RS counsel, I would have upped my settlement offer as soon as I saw that.

    Maybe if Hillary would go on TV today and weep she would win the sympathy vote.

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    Well, for me, the tears wouldn't be as big a thing as the double mastectomy plus chemo while being portrayed as an evil bitch by Rolling Stone. That's .... a lot.

    If Hillary started crying I would just consider that further evidence that she is unfit to hold high office. Again, I know a number of Hillary supporters and even they admit she has poor judgment. She also appears to have a temper, and has a fairly well documented history of being hard to work with (the speech her husband gave in 2015 to the contrary.) And -- as Wikileaks confirms she and her team have many other faults, too numerous to list here.

    Of course, it's wrong to sit around waiting for you enemy to fail. So I can't wish that. All I know for certain is that if anything goes wrong in the next four years they won't be able to blame it on white guys.
  46. @shockedtoinaction
    Why is $3M a bit much?
    This rag and this turkey owner Jann Wenner merely tried to destroy this woman's life, among others. A punitive award has to sting to be punishment. Hence the name.

    Wenner is worth a big part of $1B.
    He tried to take a big part of her life.
    Give her a big part of the proceeds from his, minimum $300 M.

    It should be at least 300 million dollars.

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  47. …liable for defaming Eramo in a 9,000-word account of [imaginary] sexual assault published in November 2014.

    There, fixed it.

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  48. @Yak-15
    This is not positive. It's only a matter of time before this type of suit will be used against Steve. And possibly commenters as well.

    There’s a difference.

    There is nothing I’ve ever written here at iSteve or elsewhere on similar topics that did not come from my experience of life, or from similar experiences reported to me by others, or from data whose sources I supply as I provide it. If there’s confusion on the latter point, as in this thread above (see Opinionator at #32), there is opportunity to clarify it…or agreement to disagreement.

    There may be people here getting paid to post, but I have never seen even a suggestion that anyone is paid by our host, or his host, to do so. Even our host panhandles for his ka-ching.

    By contrast, Sabrina Rubin pulled her stories out of the swamps of her imagination and confabulated it all into investigative journalism for money. She had a contract with RS paying her PER STORY over twice the US median annual income for blacks. When her story was questioned, RS doubled down on it. My guess: if Wenner had come clean at that point, the jury result would have been different.

    I have no doubt that the Rats of Demos have something up their sleeves re: attacking the First Amendment as they’ve attacked the Second. No doubt whatever. I’m not sure it’s what you say, however.

    I think it’s going to be more a slow deep chill, making it harder and more expensive to exercise 1A, and setting up barriers that quickly convert anyone targeted by the elites into felons over the slightest misstep. Or simply targeting enemies of the state with crushing legal fees and life-disrupting judicial or public attacks.

    This is what they’ve done with RKBA/2A.

    I’ll note that as for that slow deep chill, no people are better equipped to cope with that than people of N/NW European ancestry.

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  49. @Jack D
    The NYT said that Eramo wept on the witness stand and several of the jurors were seen to weep also. If I was RS counsel, I would have upped my settlement offer as soon as I saw that.

    Maybe if Hillary would go on TV today and weep she would win the sympathy vote.

    Well, for me, the tears wouldn’t be as big a thing as the double mastectomy plus chemo while being portrayed as an evil bitch by Rolling Stone. That’s …. a lot.

    If Hillary started crying I would just consider that further evidence that she is unfit to hold high office. Again, I know a number of Hillary supporters and even they admit she has poor judgment. She also appears to have a temper, and has a fairly well documented history of being hard to work with (the speech her husband gave in 2015 to the contrary.) And — as Wikileaks confirms she and her team have many other faults, too numerous to list here.

    Of course, it’s wrong to sit around waiting for you enemy to fail. So I can’t wish that. All I know for certain is that if anything goes wrong in the next four years they won’t be able to blame it on white guys.

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  50. @International Jew

    lost her ability to pursue her life’s work as a sexual assault prevention advocate
     
    I didn't know that was what she did. So, very likely, she's part of the same scam industry. She just didn't go as far as she was asked to go that time.

    Eramo was/is part of the same ‘campus rape crisis’ scam. Her downfall, as far a RS was concerned, was that she didn’t sufficiently advocate on behalf of Jackie who was perpetrating the hoax of a fake gang rape. So in the instance that there was no actual sexual assault victim, amidst a campus environment that incites the hysteria of a rape crisis where none exists, a victim was born Virgin Mary-like, conceived without the act.

    The booty from the victorious lawsuit is merely being recycled from one advocate of a hoax (RS) to another advocate–Eramo.

    The irony should not be lost on anyone.

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  51. @Barnard
    They tried to destroy her life and stuck with Jackie Coakley's implausible story even through the trial. After the lawyers take their cut, Eramo might have enough to retire. The jury should have put more on Rolling Stone since they can't get out of it by filing bankruptcy.

    Yeah, she might have enough to fund her retirement account. After the lawyers’ take and federal and state TAXES, Eramo will be lucky to clear $1 million.

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