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  1. When Halsey and McCain, after 40 brutally difficult (especially brutally difficult for older guys like themselves, the younger Navy personnel at least had youth and health on their side) months at war with a country that, people do not usually remember this, was a country that was actually almost our equal at warmaking (not quite our equal, but close) – well, when Halsey and McCain were faced with a typhoon, Halsey and McCain were criticized for sympathizing more with the typhoon than they should have. I do not sympathize with their critics, but life is hard to understand,

    If anyone told me I had a moment of rooting for a hawk to kill my dog I would say that person was a hateful bastard.

    That being said, I do not believe for a second that John McCain rooted for the hawk. That was just bad poetry of some kind or other.

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    I would root for the hawk too. Chihuahuas are the most annoying dogs in God's creation!!!
    , @Truth

    That being said, I do not believe for a second that John McCain rooted for the hawk. That was just bad poetry of some kind or other.
     
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  2. So he favours aggressive, predatory birds over his pet and man’s best friend. Fitting. Of course, like recognises like.

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  3. ItsEve says:

    The dog has nothing to worry about—only chicken hawks around the ranch.

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  4. concentric circles of loyalty, except this time with Mammalia

    I’d walk a million miles
    for one of your smiles,
    Mammalia…

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    That was great! Al Jolson seems a little odd. Here’s another kind of strange but entertaining video of him.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KD_YRnuuKyY

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  5. Of course his loyalty is with the Hawks. Senator McCain has always been for airstrikes on the innocent.

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  6. McCain sides with the hawks because he was a combat pilot. And he is a foreign policy hawk.

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  7. Tiny Duck says:

    I don’t agree with McCain policies but I respect his opposition to trump and his coomitment to immigrants

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    jodi picoult
    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    "I agree with McCain when he was saying stupid stuff on immigration that I agree with, but in general he's an old white guy, so he should tuck off and die."

    There, fixed it for ya.
    , @bored identity
    bored identity is sure that Hanoi Nightingale will totally appreciate your endorsement :


    https://youtu.be/C-dClalCP-c?t=1m28s

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091229111640AAKnRcH
    , @e
    Oh, Duch...I mean, Duck, McCain has never been committed to immigrants. He's very much committed to those who run the world and pay him to take their positions. Silly you.
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  8. J.Ross says: • Website

    So it’s not his dog. As much as I hate John McCain I think I understand his point here. If I had a live-in sweetie, and she insisted on getting one of those insipid miniature dogs that thoughtless women bring into grocery stores and restaurants in purses, I would immediately get a fire team of Dutch meat rabbits such as I had ages ago. Lagomorphs of this type are at least two or three times the size of very small dogs and, in their numbers, are ruthlessly arrogant.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Rather pooper scoop for a Minnie dog than a big dog. A Minnie is lot easier to groom if it’s a hairy dog.

    Used to take the lion size collie out to the yard on windy days and hope his hair would blow into the neighbors garden.

    Chihuahuas are so weird. They look like rats. Friends mom had some ultra nasty miniature terrier things. The nastiest was dark brown and the kids called him the living turd.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Juan McAmnesty's Chihuahua-owning wife: "Juan, do you think your hawk can pick up my dog and take him away?"

    Juan McAmnesty: "Non! Your doggie is too eavy."

    (JMCoW let's her chihuahua run around for a minute.)

    JMCoW: "What!! Your hawk just snatched my doggie and is eating him on top of that power pole! OMG! I thought you said my dog was too heavy?!"

    JM: "Zhat is not my hawk."

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  9. @Tiny Duck
    I don't agree with McCain policies but I respect his opposition to trump and his coomitment to immigrants

    jodi picoult

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  10. America’s Vidkun Quisling–only worse. I’m glad he’s going. But i wish the American resistance had triumphed and we could put him on trial to face a Quisling’s fate.

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    Nixon and Kissinger decided that the perception of peace with honour was more important than the punishment of dishonour.
    , @wardog
    McCain will face Quisling's fate. They'll be together in Hell!!!
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  11. OT:

    I was originally a bit put off by your posts on the incel stuff, if for no other reason than I think most of the readers and commenters on this site are middle aged family men, with a smattering of family women and young men. Most of us would prefer a golf course architecture post. My initial reaction was that young men not getting as much sex as they would like–this does not seem like a new phenomenon. Maybe things have changed a bit; the culture has changed from discouraging hedonism to valuing it; so I can see why failure to gratify base desires seems like a bigger problem to this generation than it did to mine, but still…

    However, I think the incel stuff and the #meToo stuff is really just the same phenomenon as experienced by the different sexes. It is the endpoint of the breakdown in sexual mores that started in the 1960s.

    Think of the dating/marriage market. From a woman’s perspective, the possible outcomes from best to worst would be, from an evolutionary perspective:
    1.) have children (preferably lots) with a desirable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    2.) have children (preferably lots) with a more average man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    3a.) (tie) have children with a less desireable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you OR
    3b.) (tie) have children with a very desirable man who is not going to help with childrearing or be very involved with your children. (You will probably end up with fewer total children compared to 3a.)
    4.) have no children

    Now 2 and 3 can move around a bit depending on how much a man’s support makes a difference in getting the kids to adulthood and starting their own families–obviously in a welfare state the value of the dedicated mate goes down–but this is the rough outline. And I know this list varies culturally–this is what I think is the white woman list, the black woman list would move 3b up to 2.

    Regardless: the problem is that the loosening of sexual mores has allowed the desireable men to have many more sexual partners than they would have previously. Do women want this? Yes–but only if they actually end up with the man long term in situation 1.) They don’t fantasize about dating a desirable man for a year and then being dumped, and repeating this process until they are no longer desirable, which is what generally happens. People are endlessly optimistic and so women think that they are going to be the exception to the rule until it dawns on them that they aren’t. When this realization comes, they are naturally filled with rage as they have foregone options 2-3 and sunk all the way to option 4. Some of the #meToo outrage is justified anger at men who behaved abominably, masturbating into potted plants and whatnot, but some of it can be boiled down to ‘desirable man X pursued me but when all was said and done he just wanted sex, and I felt used.’

    The flip side to this is that the men who would have paired up with the women in situations 2-3 do not have mates, hence the incel phenomenon. Most of the incels, incidentally, won’t stay incels, as a fair percentage of women seem to wise up around 25-26 and start looking for option 2. Men aren’t blind, however, and many of these fairly normal men can’t help but realize they were not the first choice: this is not a healthy way to start a relationship. In previous eras it was easier to be willfully ignorant.

    Anyway, the old sexual taboos existed for a reason. They were tied up with religion and so when people started to disbelieve the specifics of religions they threw the baby out with the bath water.

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    IFI am not sure this is due to changes in sexual mores. It is possible that as female participation in the labour market has boomed, there is less need for them to depend on a man for their livelihood. While men are generally slipping behind them in terms of professional ambition meaning there is a smaller pool of desirable men to go around.

    Also yes, Chihuahuas are very weird-looking creatures who would not last very long in the wild. No wonder McCain, who survived years of Communist torture, does not respect them at all.

    , @Whiskey
    Wrong, on pretty much all counts. Charles Murray in "Coming Apart: the State of White America 1960-2010" noted the rate of all classes among Whites in 1960 for single motherhood was 4% or thereabouts. For the White working class, it was 40% in 2010, among the Middle and Upper Middle class it was more than 20%, and only among the Upper Classes did it remain 4%.

    For all classes, infidelity and sleeping around in African patterns seems the norm; only where really SERIOUS power and money are involved does single mommery go out the window and the traditional nuclear family come into play.

    The data strongly suggests that women are seeking out mostly on the lower end lots of various bad boys, to have kids with out of wedlock. Legitimacy is irrelevant as is support, with welfare and working on the side etc. And that pattern is increasing in the middle class -- women who earn their own living don't need to compromise on male sexiness and co-paternity, i.e. siblings with different fathers is on the rise among Whites and seems to be very rapidly approaching African American to say nothing of African norms.

    Incels discussed in the Pao article make good money -- Google, Twitter, Facebook etc. pay their top engineering staff well -- and the utter lack of women charging into Silicon Valley to gold-dig is telling. There's all those dudes there with money -- and women find them repulsive beyond belief. To the point where there seems a concerted effort by moral busybody women and journalists (but I repeat myself) for a society wide virgin hunt to suss out which men have not had enough action in the past month and presumably burn them at the stake for being unsexy and making them feelz bad.

    At any rate the family formation models seem to have decisively shifted among Whites to women having kids, often multiple ones, with various bad boys often different fathers who have no role at all in support their provision not needed. African American and African women seem quite happy with this arrangement. It is very good at eliminating nerds from the gene pool and creating nothing but the best singers, dancers, fighters, etc. who don't do a lick of work if it can be avoided.

    Of course women (age 35 not 25) who age out of being able to appeal to bad boys by hitting the wall, hard, will have to settle for a nerd or worse, she to have some sort of man even one she despises for having to settle for, and he to finally exit incel hell even if he knows he's not really wanted or needed. This amounts for the extraordinary instability in marriage and high divorce rates -- neither partner is that invested in the other and in particular female settling for a much lower man in sexiness than they had in their youth is a guarantee almost of divorce.

    Look at the gold-diggers not digging: where are all the adventuresses in Silicon Valley? Heck not even Zuck's Master of the Universe evil comic book villain schtick could net him a Stormy Daniels. Unlike Trump who has had a succession of gold-diggers doing quite well.
    , @black sea
    I think you're onto to something with this post.

    One thing I would add is that women -- I believe -- HATE, HATE, HATE having to pressure their long-term boyfriends into an engagement. I think you don't hear too much about this in the media, or for that matter in male/female conversation, because women aren't really supposed to particularly want to get married (media) and women find it pretty humiliating to acknowledge that they have to push hard on the marriage front just to get a ring (male/female conversation).

    Contemporary delusions aside, women know that men have a roving eye, and want to feel that of all the competition available, her man has chosen her as by far the most desirable, and that with some luck he'll continue to see her that way as the years go by.

    Under current conventions, however, men and women can remain in a relationship of somewhat ambiguous status for years (are we just having fun, are we a couple, are we living together, are we moving toward marriage, are we ever going to have kids?). Many men are perfectly OK with this.

    They've never fantasized about being married, or speculated as to the type of woman that they would want to marry, and this relationship holding pattern provides them with some sexual and personal companionship, while still allowing them other options without the mess of divorce. In my experience, men just don't plan their lives around marriage to nearly the extent that women do.

    For this reason among others, a woman often has a powerful but not much acknowledged desire to be swept off her feet by someone who, it seems, finally recognizes her for the once-in-a-lifetime catch that she may not really believe she is, but that she really wants to believe he thinks she is.

    As is so often the case with topics discussed on this site, a large part of the problem is that our society has chosen to prioritize what a cadre of social theory experts believe should be the proper form of human nature over what human nature observably is.
    , @Anonymous

    1.) have children (preferably lots) with a desirable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
     
    0.5) have children (preferably lots) with desirable MEN and HAVE RECOURSE TO A MAN dedicated solely to you and the children YOU HAVE BIRTHED.
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  12. @Tiny Duck
    I don't agree with McCain policies but I respect his opposition to trump and his coomitment to immigrants

    “I agree with McCain when he was saying stupid stuff on immigration that I agree with, but in general he’s an old white guy, so he should tuck off and die.”

    There, fixed it for ya.

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  13. Dan Hayes says:

    He’s leaving the way he always operated, in this case authoring a vengeful call to arms against Trump and more importantly against the remaining vestiges of America.

    A man who reveled in the self-appellation of being a patriot but in reality his patriotism was always in service to the powers-that-be.

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  14. newrouter says:

    “John McCain is spending his last months…um…hoping a hawk eats his dog”

    well there’s the hawkish John “effin’” Kerry:

    John Kerry under fire for reported ‘shadow diplomacy’ to save Iran deal

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/05/john-kerry-under-fire-for-reported-shadow-diplomacy-to-save-iran-deal.html

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    Say, wasn't there some talk about, what was it again? oh yes, the Logan Act, early in the Trump Reign? Something about making foreign policy with an enemy of the United States? Ah yes. Now, I'm personally not opposed to the Iran deal, but I've always heard that sauce for the goose implies sauce for the gander.
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  15. Anonym says:

    Ben Garrison’s McCain comic was one of his best IMO.

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    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Uncle Sam has, himself, long been a warmonger - his caricature being trotted out to convince young men to gamble their lives in somebody else's fight.
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  16. @SimpleSong
    OT:

    I was originally a bit put off by your posts on the incel stuff, if for no other reason than I think most of the readers and commenters on this site are middle aged family men, with a smattering of family women and young men. Most of us would prefer a golf course architecture post. My initial reaction was that young men not getting as much sex as they would like--this does not seem like a new phenomenon. Maybe things have changed a bit; the culture has changed from discouraging hedonism to valuing it; so I can see why failure to gratify base desires seems like a bigger problem to this generation than it did to mine, but still...

    However, I think the incel stuff and the #meToo stuff is really just the same phenomenon as experienced by the different sexes. It is the endpoint of the breakdown in sexual mores that started in the 1960s.

    Think of the dating/marriage market. From a woman's perspective, the possible outcomes from best to worst would be, from an evolutionary perspective:
    1.) have children (preferably lots) with a desirable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    2.) have children (preferably lots) with a more average man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    3a.) (tie) have children with a less desireable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you OR
    3b.) (tie) have children with a very desirable man who is not going to help with childrearing or be very involved with your children. (You will probably end up with fewer total children compared to 3a.)
    4.) have no children

    Now 2 and 3 can move around a bit depending on how much a man's support makes a difference in getting the kids to adulthood and starting their own families--obviously in a welfare state the value of the dedicated mate goes down--but this is the rough outline. And I know this list varies culturally--this is what I think is the white woman list, the black woman list would move 3b up to 2.

    Regardless: the problem is that the loosening of sexual mores has allowed the desireable men to have many more sexual partners than they would have previously. Do women want this? Yes--but only if they actually end up with the man long term in situation 1.) They don't fantasize about dating a desirable man for a year and then being dumped, and repeating this process until they are no longer desirable, which is what generally happens. People are endlessly optimistic and so women think that they are going to be the exception to the rule until it dawns on them that they aren't. When this realization comes, they are naturally filled with rage as they have foregone options 2-3 and sunk all the way to option 4. Some of the #meToo outrage is justified anger at men who behaved abominably, masturbating into potted plants and whatnot, but some of it can be boiled down to 'desirable man X pursued me but when all was said and done he just wanted sex, and I felt used.'

    The flip side to this is that the men who would have paired up with the women in situations 2-3 do not have mates, hence the incel phenomenon. Most of the incels, incidentally, won't stay incels, as a fair percentage of women seem to wise up around 25-26 and start looking for option 2. Men aren't blind, however, and many of these fairly normal men can't help but realize they were not the first choice: this is not a healthy way to start a relationship. In previous eras it was easier to be willfully ignorant.

    Anyway, the old sexual taboos existed for a reason. They were tied up with religion and so when people started to disbelieve the specifics of religions they threw the baby out with the bath water.

    IFI am not sure this is due to changes in sexual mores. It is possible that as female participation in the labour market has boomed, there is less need for them to depend on a man for their livelihood. While men are generally slipping behind them in terms of professional ambition meaning there is a smaller pool of desirable men to go around.

    Also yes, Chihuahuas are very weird-looking creatures who would not last very long in the wild. No wonder McCain, who survived years of Communist torture, does not respect them at all.

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    McCain survived the torture by singing like a songbird. I won't criticise him too much for that as who knows how one would react in similar circumstances, except most didn't engage in treason, but he certainly shouldn't be packaged as some sort of war hero.

    His marrying in to the mob, treatment of his ex wife, Keating scandal, campaign finance 'reform', peculiar attachment to immigration and Israel, are all more worthy of condemnation. Like Linsey he is a creation of the media.

    Jeff Gates has written many exposes on this media darling.
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  17. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    So it's not his dog. As much as I hate John McCain I think I understand his point here. If I had a live-in sweetie, and she insisted on getting one of those insipid miniature dogs that thoughtless women bring into grocery stores and restaurants in purses, I would immediately get a fire team of Dutch meat rabbits such as I had ages ago. Lagomorphs of this type are at least two or three times the size of very small dogs and, in their numbers, are ruthlessly arrogant.

    Rather pooper scoop for a Minnie dog than a big dog. A Minnie is lot easier to groom if it’s a hairy dog.

    Used to take the lion size collie out to the yard on windy days and hope his hair would blow into the neighbors garden.

    Chihuahuas are so weird. They look like rats. Friends mom had some ultra nasty miniature terrier things. The nastiest was dark brown and the kids called him the living turd.

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  18. Whiskey says: • Website
    @SimpleSong
    OT:

    I was originally a bit put off by your posts on the incel stuff, if for no other reason than I think most of the readers and commenters on this site are middle aged family men, with a smattering of family women and young men. Most of us would prefer a golf course architecture post. My initial reaction was that young men not getting as much sex as they would like--this does not seem like a new phenomenon. Maybe things have changed a bit; the culture has changed from discouraging hedonism to valuing it; so I can see why failure to gratify base desires seems like a bigger problem to this generation than it did to mine, but still...

    However, I think the incel stuff and the #meToo stuff is really just the same phenomenon as experienced by the different sexes. It is the endpoint of the breakdown in sexual mores that started in the 1960s.

    Think of the dating/marriage market. From a woman's perspective, the possible outcomes from best to worst would be, from an evolutionary perspective:
    1.) have children (preferably lots) with a desirable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    2.) have children (preferably lots) with a more average man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    3a.) (tie) have children with a less desireable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you OR
    3b.) (tie) have children with a very desirable man who is not going to help with childrearing or be very involved with your children. (You will probably end up with fewer total children compared to 3a.)
    4.) have no children

    Now 2 and 3 can move around a bit depending on how much a man's support makes a difference in getting the kids to adulthood and starting their own families--obviously in a welfare state the value of the dedicated mate goes down--but this is the rough outline. And I know this list varies culturally--this is what I think is the white woman list, the black woman list would move 3b up to 2.

    Regardless: the problem is that the loosening of sexual mores has allowed the desireable men to have many more sexual partners than they would have previously. Do women want this? Yes--but only if they actually end up with the man long term in situation 1.) They don't fantasize about dating a desirable man for a year and then being dumped, and repeating this process until they are no longer desirable, which is what generally happens. People are endlessly optimistic and so women think that they are going to be the exception to the rule until it dawns on them that they aren't. When this realization comes, they are naturally filled with rage as they have foregone options 2-3 and sunk all the way to option 4. Some of the #meToo outrage is justified anger at men who behaved abominably, masturbating into potted plants and whatnot, but some of it can be boiled down to 'desirable man X pursued me but when all was said and done he just wanted sex, and I felt used.'

    The flip side to this is that the men who would have paired up with the women in situations 2-3 do not have mates, hence the incel phenomenon. Most of the incels, incidentally, won't stay incels, as a fair percentage of women seem to wise up around 25-26 and start looking for option 2. Men aren't blind, however, and many of these fairly normal men can't help but realize they were not the first choice: this is not a healthy way to start a relationship. In previous eras it was easier to be willfully ignorant.

    Anyway, the old sexual taboos existed for a reason. They were tied up with religion and so when people started to disbelieve the specifics of religions they threw the baby out with the bath water.

    Wrong, on pretty much all counts. Charles Murray in “Coming Apart: the State of White America 1960-2010″ noted the rate of all classes among Whites in 1960 for single motherhood was 4% or thereabouts. For the White working class, it was 40% in 2010, among the Middle and Upper Middle class it was more than 20%, and only among the Upper Classes did it remain 4%.

    For all classes, infidelity and sleeping around in African patterns seems the norm; only where really SERIOUS power and money are involved does single mommery go out the window and the traditional nuclear family come into play.

    The data strongly suggests that women are seeking out mostly on the lower end lots of various bad boys, to have kids with out of wedlock. Legitimacy is irrelevant as is support, with welfare and working on the side etc. And that pattern is increasing in the middle class — women who earn their own living don’t need to compromise on male sexiness and co-paternity, i.e. siblings with different fathers is on the rise among Whites and seems to be very rapidly approaching African American to say nothing of African norms.

    Incels discussed in the Pao article make good money — Google, Twitter, Facebook etc. pay their top engineering staff well — and the utter lack of women charging into Silicon Valley to gold-dig is telling. There’s all those dudes there with money — and women find them repulsive beyond belief. To the point where there seems a concerted effort by moral busybody women and journalists (but I repeat myself) for a society wide virgin hunt to suss out which men have not had enough action in the past month and presumably burn them at the stake for being unsexy and making them feelz bad.

    At any rate the family formation models seem to have decisively shifted among Whites to women having kids, often multiple ones, with various bad boys often different fathers who have no role at all in support their provision not needed. African American and African women seem quite happy with this arrangement. It is very good at eliminating nerds from the gene pool and creating nothing but the best singers, dancers, fighters, etc. who don’t do a lick of work if it can be avoided.

    Of course women (age 35 not 25) who age out of being able to appeal to bad boys by hitting the wall, hard, will have to settle for a nerd or worse, she to have some sort of man even one she despises for having to settle for, and he to finally exit incel hell even if he knows he’s not really wanted or needed. This amounts for the extraordinary instability in marriage and high divorce rates — neither partner is that invested in the other and in particular female settling for a much lower man in sexiness than they had in their youth is a guarantee almost of divorce.

    Look at the gold-diggers not digging: where are all the adventuresses in Silicon Valley? Heck not even Zuck’s Master of the Universe evil comic book villain schtick could net him a Stormy Daniels. Unlike Trump who has had a succession of gold-diggers doing quite well.

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    Whiskey, it's been twelve freaking years, man. Twelve years since you started this shtick as just another cantankerous commentator at The Belmont Club. The only thing that's changed in all that time is that you've become a worse writer and even more of a loon. Stop pickling your brain with your ethanoic offerings, or at least stop poisoning the blogosphere with them.
    , @Anonymous

    Look at the gold-diggers not digging: where are all the adventuresses in Silicon Valley? Heck not even Zuck’s Master of the Universe evil comic book villain schtick could net him a Stormy Daniels. Unlike Trump who has had a succession of gold-diggers doing quite well.
     
    Are you kidding?? IMO, if you were some MOTU mega-billionaire who looked like Hugh Jackman I don’t think you could do much better than Priscilla Chan, a tan and stacked China girl w/ an M.D. who’s into family.
    https://youtu.be/E_8IXx4tsus
    , @Anon
    Gold-diggers have a very hard time getting at Incel programmers in Silicon Valley. It's not that they wouldn't mind bagging a guy with money. But Gold-diggers generally start out poor with no access to their prey. They have to create access. But it's hard to move to Silicon Valley and find a cheap apartment or house, especially when you don't have much of an income. Secondly, Gold-diggers don't have the brains to be hired by a tech company, so they can't get access by being a co-worker. Incels tend not to socialize, so Gold-diggers can't find them in non-working social spaces.

    A place where the housing is overpriced works as well at keeping out the riffraff as a heavily guarded castle with a moat. A work space that is highly selective for intelligence functions like a heavily guarded castle with a moat. Someone who can only be found in their office or their house might as well be living in a heavily guarded castle with a moat.

    In other words, Silicon Valley Incels live like princesses in heavily guarded towers, and their knightly Gold-digger can't chop through all the obstacles to get at them.
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  19. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    concentric circles of loyalty, except this time with Mammalia
     
    I'd walk a million miles
    for one of your smiles,
    Mammalia...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIaj7FNHnjQ

    That was great! Al Jolson seems a little odd. Here’s another kind of strange but entertaining video of him.

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  20. black sea says:
    @SimpleSong
    OT:

    I was originally a bit put off by your posts on the incel stuff, if for no other reason than I think most of the readers and commenters on this site are middle aged family men, with a smattering of family women and young men. Most of us would prefer a golf course architecture post. My initial reaction was that young men not getting as much sex as they would like--this does not seem like a new phenomenon. Maybe things have changed a bit; the culture has changed from discouraging hedonism to valuing it; so I can see why failure to gratify base desires seems like a bigger problem to this generation than it did to mine, but still...

    However, I think the incel stuff and the #meToo stuff is really just the same phenomenon as experienced by the different sexes. It is the endpoint of the breakdown in sexual mores that started in the 1960s.

    Think of the dating/marriage market. From a woman's perspective, the possible outcomes from best to worst would be, from an evolutionary perspective:
    1.) have children (preferably lots) with a desirable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    2.) have children (preferably lots) with a more average man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    3a.) (tie) have children with a less desireable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you OR
    3b.) (tie) have children with a very desirable man who is not going to help with childrearing or be very involved with your children. (You will probably end up with fewer total children compared to 3a.)
    4.) have no children

    Now 2 and 3 can move around a bit depending on how much a man's support makes a difference in getting the kids to adulthood and starting their own families--obviously in a welfare state the value of the dedicated mate goes down--but this is the rough outline. And I know this list varies culturally--this is what I think is the white woman list, the black woman list would move 3b up to 2.

    Regardless: the problem is that the loosening of sexual mores has allowed the desireable men to have many more sexual partners than they would have previously. Do women want this? Yes--but only if they actually end up with the man long term in situation 1.) They don't fantasize about dating a desirable man for a year and then being dumped, and repeating this process until they are no longer desirable, which is what generally happens. People are endlessly optimistic and so women think that they are going to be the exception to the rule until it dawns on them that they aren't. When this realization comes, they are naturally filled with rage as they have foregone options 2-3 and sunk all the way to option 4. Some of the #meToo outrage is justified anger at men who behaved abominably, masturbating into potted plants and whatnot, but some of it can be boiled down to 'desirable man X pursued me but when all was said and done he just wanted sex, and I felt used.'

    The flip side to this is that the men who would have paired up with the women in situations 2-3 do not have mates, hence the incel phenomenon. Most of the incels, incidentally, won't stay incels, as a fair percentage of women seem to wise up around 25-26 and start looking for option 2. Men aren't blind, however, and many of these fairly normal men can't help but realize they were not the first choice: this is not a healthy way to start a relationship. In previous eras it was easier to be willfully ignorant.

    Anyway, the old sexual taboos existed for a reason. They were tied up with religion and so when people started to disbelieve the specifics of religions they threw the baby out with the bath water.

    I think you’re onto to something with this post.

    One thing I would add is that women — I believe — HATE, HATE, HATE having to pressure their long-term boyfriends into an engagement. I think you don’t hear too much about this in the media, or for that matter in male/female conversation, because women aren’t really supposed to particularly want to get married (media) and women find it pretty humiliating to acknowledge that they have to push hard on the marriage front just to get a ring (male/female conversation).

    Contemporary delusions aside, women know that men have a roving eye, and want to feel that of all the competition available, her man has chosen her as by far the most desirable, and that with some luck he’ll continue to see her that way as the years go by.

    Under current conventions, however, men and women can remain in a relationship of somewhat ambiguous status for years (are we just having fun, are we a couple, are we living together, are we moving toward marriage, are we ever going to have kids?). Many men are perfectly OK with this.

    They’ve never fantasized about being married, or speculated as to the type of woman that they would want to marry, and this relationship holding pattern provides them with some sexual and personal companionship, while still allowing them other options without the mess of divorce. In my experience, men just don’t plan their lives around marriage to nearly the extent that women do.

    For this reason among others, a woman often has a powerful but not much acknowledged desire to be swept off her feet by someone who, it seems, finally recognizes her for the once-in-a-lifetime catch that she may not really believe she is, but that she really wants to believe he thinks she is.

    As is so often the case with topics discussed on this site, a large part of the problem is that our society has chosen to prioritize what a cadre of social theory experts believe should be the proper form of human nature over what human nature observably is.

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    "a relationship of somewhat ambiguous status for years ... Many men are perfectly OK with this."

    That's when she realises that "we need to talk".

    "Are we just having fun, are we a couple, are we living together, are we moving toward marriage, are we ever going to have kids? Where exactly is this relationship going?"

    Bertie - the topic of relationships on a blog is like the topic of education - it's something we're all "experts" on, having been in relationships/been to school/college, therefore lots of comments.

    , @The Alarmist
    In the military I ran into plenty of young guys who had some fantasy of married life, but it oddly played out like this, in this order:

    "I'm going to get married, get a nice house, a dog, and a couple kids."

    The woman was oddly enough only implied in the equation. Hell, in today's US military, there doesn't even need to be a woman involved at all, except maybe for the kids, and I bet TPTB have DARPA on that already.
    , @Anon
    Women are driven crazy by men who want to date them but who won't propose. If he wants you and wants to stick around, but can't work up the nerve to propose marriage, women feel real anger and disgust for the guy, though they may keep it hidden. Women think he's a coward and a milksop. If a better man comes along and flirts with her, it's very likely she's going to walk out on her former relationship. She's won't feel any sense of loyalty to him if he shows no loyalty to her by refusing to ask for a marital commitment.

    Loyalty has to work both ways to work properly. If you're a soldier in an army and an officer want you to feel loyalty to him and wants you to be willing to get shot or die for him, you have to be convinced that's he's just as loyal to you to make it worthwhile, and your officer has to be willing be out there on the firing line, bust his butt when you're busting your butt, and he even has to be willing to get shot for you if it comes to that.

    An officer who runs away when things get tough is only going to make you feel disgusted, and you will feel no loyalty towards that person. The neural wiring for loyalty that is given to human beings doesn't differentiate. A man-woman relationship isn't any different.
    , @stillCARealist
    Good encapsulation of what I just observed with a woman at my gym. They shacked up for years, while apparently she wanted to be married the whole time. He finally proposes and she has this huge wedding. When she tells me all this she's beaming like a 19 year old virgin.... she's in her late 30's.

    I don't get the shacking up thing. If that's the right person, why not get married? If it's not the right person, how will living together make it any better?
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  21. Berty says:

    Poor predicable iSteve. Some fuckwad derails yet another thread with retarded ramblings about women and all the lonely old Boomers here can’t help but join the party.

    So damn tired of this.

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    • Replies: @Svigor
    It's like the "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" thing. Whiskey fights "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!" via distraction; if they're paying attention to his dog and pony show, they're not paying attention to the Jews. Note he's also (probably incidentally) fighting on behalf of Blacks and other non-Whites, and against White interests. That might be why he started rolling some crit of Blacks into his repertoire some years back...throw the dogs off the scent.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Fml a Berty post I agree with.

    Some of y'all need to suppress your monomania (to include tediously rambling in response to someone noticing the Kosher Kuestion).
    , @Anon
    I agree. When men ramble on about what men want in a woman it’s fine. But when men start rambling on about what women want in men it’s just ridiculous.
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  22. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    McCain embodies the promise and tragedy of his generation.

    Just think of the guy he could have been with his shot at it in 2000.

    Alas . . .

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    I was a supporter of his in 96 and 2000. Actually, I flirted with the thought of Colin Powell in 96. My McCain enthusiasm cooled by 2008 but what was the alternative? For better or worse he either did not want the presidency or via sheer incompetence or insider blackmail went into the tank for Obama. Ever since then my respect for him has declined to a level below zero.

    I met a retired Navy fighter pilot who flew in carrier operations in the 64 -70 era. We had a great conversation and then, I asked: did you ever know a guy named John Sydney McCainIII? HE Didn't answer but a strange look came over him, he never answered and changed the subject. Sorry this thread got diverted to women and their mysterious ways rather than stay on JSMcIII.
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  23. Anonymous[905] • Disclaimer says:

    Reminds me of a Monty Python skit.

    “I’ve just read in the paper that Richard Nixon’s just had an anus transplant,….oh!,here’s a Stop Press:
    The anus has just rejected him”.

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  24. @Whiskey
    Wrong, on pretty much all counts. Charles Murray in "Coming Apart: the State of White America 1960-2010" noted the rate of all classes among Whites in 1960 for single motherhood was 4% or thereabouts. For the White working class, it was 40% in 2010, among the Middle and Upper Middle class it was more than 20%, and only among the Upper Classes did it remain 4%.

    For all classes, infidelity and sleeping around in African patterns seems the norm; only where really SERIOUS power and money are involved does single mommery go out the window and the traditional nuclear family come into play.

    The data strongly suggests that women are seeking out mostly on the lower end lots of various bad boys, to have kids with out of wedlock. Legitimacy is irrelevant as is support, with welfare and working on the side etc. And that pattern is increasing in the middle class -- women who earn their own living don't need to compromise on male sexiness and co-paternity, i.e. siblings with different fathers is on the rise among Whites and seems to be very rapidly approaching African American to say nothing of African norms.

    Incels discussed in the Pao article make good money -- Google, Twitter, Facebook etc. pay their top engineering staff well -- and the utter lack of women charging into Silicon Valley to gold-dig is telling. There's all those dudes there with money -- and women find them repulsive beyond belief. To the point where there seems a concerted effort by moral busybody women and journalists (but I repeat myself) for a society wide virgin hunt to suss out which men have not had enough action in the past month and presumably burn them at the stake for being unsexy and making them feelz bad.

    At any rate the family formation models seem to have decisively shifted among Whites to women having kids, often multiple ones, with various bad boys often different fathers who have no role at all in support their provision not needed. African American and African women seem quite happy with this arrangement. It is very good at eliminating nerds from the gene pool and creating nothing but the best singers, dancers, fighters, etc. who don't do a lick of work if it can be avoided.

    Of course women (age 35 not 25) who age out of being able to appeal to bad boys by hitting the wall, hard, will have to settle for a nerd or worse, she to have some sort of man even one she despises for having to settle for, and he to finally exit incel hell even if he knows he's not really wanted or needed. This amounts for the extraordinary instability in marriage and high divorce rates -- neither partner is that invested in the other and in particular female settling for a much lower man in sexiness than they had in their youth is a guarantee almost of divorce.

    Look at the gold-diggers not digging: where are all the adventuresses in Silicon Valley? Heck not even Zuck's Master of the Universe evil comic book villain schtick could net him a Stormy Daniels. Unlike Trump who has had a succession of gold-diggers doing quite well.

    Whiskey, it’s been twelve freaking years, man. Twelve years since you started this shtick as just another cantankerous commentator at The Belmont Club. The only thing that’s changed in all that time is that you’ve become a worse writer and even more of a loon. Stop pickling your brain with your ethanoic offerings, or at least stop poisoning the blogosphere with them.

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    The nom de internet is obviously after the Whiskey Rebellion. Duh. Nor do I care about you. Why should I? Do you put money in my pocket? Pay my bills? Comfort me in my sorrows? I am who I am, I have no office, ambitions, means, desires, goals for public life or influence or power or fame. I am just a dude expressing my views and nature on the internet. That I have not changed in 12 years ought to tell you something.

    And if anything I've been confirmed over and over again in the diagnosis of the poz and the general approach to fighting it. Nazi Larping has failed completely, so has Libertardianism and so especially has Traditional Christianity as it generally just devolves into cuck-ism. Regardless, Church attendance and religious feeling is down among Whites in a massive way all across the West and only Latin Americans, Africans, and Muslims retain religious feelings and exhibit that behavior (by regular attendance at worship).

    Look at McCain. He's a total example of the hereditary managerial state, kept in power by a dynastic minor player (the beer distributor) and appeals to women via virtue signaling and status mongering.

    And what exactly is his legacy? Beyond his immediate family who will mourn him? Care about his passing? Uphold his policies (he had none). Continue his politics? (He had an heiress wife who he ditched his first for, who was faithful to him, funding his lifestyle -- but no national movement or policies that found wide appeal beyond a few NYT "strange new respect" articles when he trashed Trump and Trump's voters).

    His last days are spent trashing Trump and Palin, for what? One more round of applause from the NYT? Having Michelle Obama or Oprah at his funeral (Barry won't go -- golfing!) Here is the elite writ large -- a legacy of nothing.

    As an aside, "Republican" states in Europe such as Venice, Florence, Genoa, Pisa, Switzerland, the Netherlands, etc. tended to suppress women's scope of life and entering into guilds and professions, while Monarchies and Aristocracies tended to increase them. Now, why was that?
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  25. LondonBob says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    IFI am not sure this is due to changes in sexual mores. It is possible that as female participation in the labour market has boomed, there is less need for them to depend on a man for their livelihood. While men are generally slipping behind them in terms of professional ambition meaning there is a smaller pool of desirable men to go around.

    Also yes, Chihuahuas are very weird-looking creatures who would not last very long in the wild. No wonder McCain, who survived years of Communist torture, does not respect them at all.

    McCain survived the torture by singing like a songbird. I won’t criticise him too much for that as who knows how one would react in similar circumstances, except most didn’t engage in treason, but he certainly shouldn’t be packaged as some sort of war hero.

    His marrying in to the mob, treatment of his ex wife, Keating scandal, campaign finance ‘reform’, peculiar attachment to immigration and Israel, are all more worthy of condemnation. Like Linsey he is a creation of the media.

    Jeff Gates has written many exposes on this media darling.

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    The bulk of American POWs, like the bulk of humanity would, broke under torture and signed confessions. I don't see why that should be held against him. McCain has never denied dping so. By all accounts he could have taken an early release and he didn't. Being stuck in a Vietnamese POW camp for six years is no joke.
    , @Anonymous
    The modern tendency to misuse the word 'hero' (which, of course, is from the ancient Greek, and relates to the notion of a mortal man, who by his uncommon valor and martial prowess is elevated in esteem to the realm of the gods) is most unfortunate.

    As Donald Trump might have put it, there's nothing innately 'heroic' in being captured and being made into another man's bitch. Anyone can do it.
    , @Bugg
    McCain dumped the wife who stood by him during his captivity to go with Cindy, daughter of the local Bud distributor. He can thank his father in law for his comfort; he has nothing to do with it. No wonder he is good friends with John Kerry; 2 sides of the same marry well the 2nd time coin. Quite deserving that the MSM that made him a DC player dumped him like a hot potato when The One appeared. And as a not very bright guy with no real governing beliefs nor philosophy beyond it was good for him to be on the government tit, he had no way to respond.Since the day Reagan went home until Trump showed up, the GOP was a joke.
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  26. @LondonBob
    McCain survived the torture by singing like a songbird. I won't criticise him too much for that as who knows how one would react in similar circumstances, except most didn't engage in treason, but he certainly shouldn't be packaged as some sort of war hero.

    His marrying in to the mob, treatment of his ex wife, Keating scandal, campaign finance 'reform', peculiar attachment to immigration and Israel, are all more worthy of condemnation. Like Linsey he is a creation of the media.

    Jeff Gates has written many exposes on this media darling.

    The bulk of American POWs, like the bulk of humanity would, broke under torture and signed confessions. I don’t see why that should be held against him. McCain has never denied dping so. By all accounts he could have taken an early release and he didn’t. Being stuck in a Vietnamese POW camp for six years is no joke.

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    Probably more like he was bribed, not tortured. And he made radio broadcasts for the enemy as well.
    , @Lugash
    No one denies McCain went through hell. McCain's problem is that he seems to have learned an anti-lesson about the misery that war causes. Iran, Ukraine, Georgia, Libya, Syria are all great places to fuck up in his twisted world view.

    The world will be a better place when this warmonger slips off the mortal coil.
    , @LondonBob
    Very few collaborated to the extent McCain did, providing the 'package routes' for US aircraft.

    https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2010/08/13/john-mccain-a-closer-look-at-evil-part-14/

    I know Ron Unz also wrote or commented on a very good expose of the Arizon 'maverick'.
    , @J.Ross
    Do you have a specific quantity and citation for "bulk" and have you read Ron Unz's article on McCain's conduct? There is nobody who is mad at a tortured man who wants the torture to stop. McCain has done plenty even before becoming a warmongering senator to justify hate.
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  27. Anonymous[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob
    McCain survived the torture by singing like a songbird. I won't criticise him too much for that as who knows how one would react in similar circumstances, except most didn't engage in treason, but he certainly shouldn't be packaged as some sort of war hero.

    His marrying in to the mob, treatment of his ex wife, Keating scandal, campaign finance 'reform', peculiar attachment to immigration and Israel, are all more worthy of condemnation. Like Linsey he is a creation of the media.

    Jeff Gates has written many exposes on this media darling.

    The modern tendency to misuse the word ‘hero’ (which, of course, is from the ancient Greek, and relates to the notion of a mortal man, who by his uncommon valor and martial prowess is elevated in esteem to the realm of the gods) is most unfortunate.

    As Donald Trump might have put it, there’s nothing innately ‘heroic’ in being captured and being made into another man’s bitch. Anyone can do it.

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    On other venues online when I bring up the subject of giving Guam, P Rico etc their independence and then writing off their tens of billions of dollars in outstanding debts AND giving them a goodbye reparation of say a trillion bucks to rebuild their puke island and then deport all P Ricans back to their island they get REALLY REALLY bitter and talk about their "sacrifices" in all the wars of the 20th century and then they get madder when I tell them the USA would have been better off staying out of all those wars save perhaps WW2 and they just lose what left they have of their cool and call you a racist blah blah.

    One got mad at me when I told him wages in the Gulf South would probably be $3-10 higher if there weren't any Ricans around here driving up rents and property taxes by flooding the local schools with their ESL kids.....
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  28. @J.Ross
    So it's not his dog. As much as I hate John McCain I think I understand his point here. If I had a live-in sweetie, and she insisted on getting one of those insipid miniature dogs that thoughtless women bring into grocery stores and restaurants in purses, I would immediately get a fire team of Dutch meat rabbits such as I had ages ago. Lagomorphs of this type are at least two or three times the size of very small dogs and, in their numbers, are ruthlessly arrogant.

    Juan McAmnesty’s Chihuahua-owning wife: “Juan, do you think your hawk can pick up my dog and take him away?”

    Juan McAmnesty: “Non! Your doggie is too eavy.”

    (JMCoW let’s her chihuahua run around for a minute.)

    JMCoW: “What!! Your hawk just snatched my doggie and is eating him on top of that power pole! OMG! I thought you said my dog was too heavy?!”

    JM: “Zhat is not my hawk.”

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    For reference only:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o
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  29. @Achmed E. Newman
    Juan McAmnesty's Chihuahua-owning wife: "Juan, do you think your hawk can pick up my dog and take him away?"

    Juan McAmnesty: "Non! Your doggie is too eavy."

    (JMCoW let's her chihuahua run around for a minute.)

    JMCoW: "What!! Your hawk just snatched my doggie and is eating him on top of that power pole! OMG! I thought you said my dog was too heavy?!"

    JM: "Zhat is not my hawk."

    For reference only:

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  30. prusmc says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    McCain embodies the promise and tragedy of his generation.

    Just think of the guy he could have been with his shot at it in 2000.

    Alas . . .

    I was a supporter of his in 96 and 2000. Actually, I flirted with the thought of Colin Powell in 96. My McCain enthusiasm cooled by 2008 but what was the alternative? For better or worse he either did not want the presidency or via sheer incompetence or insider blackmail went into the tank for Obama. Ever since then my respect for him has declined to a level below zero.

    I met a retired Navy fighter pilot who flew in carrier operations in the 64 -70 era. We had a great conversation and then, I asked: did you ever know a guy named John Sydney McCainIII? HE Didn’t answer but a strange look came over him, he never answered and changed the subject. Sorry this thread got diverted to women and their mysterious ways rather than stay on JSMcIII.

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    If you don’t have a woman you write about women.
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  31. CK says:
    @AnotherDad
    America's Vidkun Quisling--only worse. I'm glad he's going. But i wish the American resistance had triumphed and we could put him on trial to face a Quisling's fate.

    Nixon and Kissinger decided that the perception of peace with honour was more important than the punishment of dishonour.

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  32. @Ali Choudhury
    The bulk of American POWs, like the bulk of humanity would, broke under torture and signed confessions. I don't see why that should be held against him. McCain has never denied dping so. By all accounts he could have taken an early release and he didn't. Being stuck in a Vietnamese POW camp for six years is no joke.

    Probably more like he was bribed, not tortured. And he made radio broadcasts for the enemy as well.

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  33. Joe Joe says:
    @middle aged vet . . .
    When Halsey and McCain, after 40 brutally difficult (especially brutally difficult for older guys like themselves, the younger Navy personnel at least had youth and health on their side) months at war with a country that, people do not usually remember this, was a country that was actually almost our equal at warmaking (not quite our equal, but close) - well, when Halsey and McCain were faced with a typhoon, Halsey and McCain were criticized for sympathizing more with the typhoon than they should have. I do not sympathize with their critics, but life is hard to understand,

    If anyone told me I had a moment of rooting for a hawk to kill my dog I would say that person was a hateful bastard.

    That being said, I do not believe for a second that John McCain rooted for the hawk. That was just bad poetry of some kind or other.

    I would root for the hawk too. Chihuahuas are the most annoying dogs in God’s creation!!!

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  34. @black sea
    I think you're onto to something with this post.

    One thing I would add is that women -- I believe -- HATE, HATE, HATE having to pressure their long-term boyfriends into an engagement. I think you don't hear too much about this in the media, or for that matter in male/female conversation, because women aren't really supposed to particularly want to get married (media) and women find it pretty humiliating to acknowledge that they have to push hard on the marriage front just to get a ring (male/female conversation).

    Contemporary delusions aside, women know that men have a roving eye, and want to feel that of all the competition available, her man has chosen her as by far the most desirable, and that with some luck he'll continue to see her that way as the years go by.

    Under current conventions, however, men and women can remain in a relationship of somewhat ambiguous status for years (are we just having fun, are we a couple, are we living together, are we moving toward marriage, are we ever going to have kids?). Many men are perfectly OK with this.

    They've never fantasized about being married, or speculated as to the type of woman that they would want to marry, and this relationship holding pattern provides them with some sexual and personal companionship, while still allowing them other options without the mess of divorce. In my experience, men just don't plan their lives around marriage to nearly the extent that women do.

    For this reason among others, a woman often has a powerful but not much acknowledged desire to be swept off her feet by someone who, it seems, finally recognizes her for the once-in-a-lifetime catch that she may not really believe she is, but that she really wants to believe he thinks she is.

    As is so often the case with topics discussed on this site, a large part of the problem is that our society has chosen to prioritize what a cadre of social theory experts believe should be the proper form of human nature over what human nature observably is.

    “a relationship of somewhat ambiguous status for years … Many men are perfectly OK with this.”

    That’s when she realises that “we need to talk”.

    “Are we just having fun, are we a couple, are we living together, are we moving toward marriage, are we ever going to have kids? Where exactly is this relationship going?”

    Bertie – the topic of relationships on a blog is like the topic of education – it’s something we’re all “experts” on, having been in relationships/been to school/college, therefore lots of comments.

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    As a kid I used to hear stories from a family friend in Alexandria, VA (he’s now in FL) who was in the Hanoi Hilton with McCain. This guy had seething contempt for McCain and said he was self-aggrandizing liar and a despicable human being. This was all before Keating Five and McCain wasn’t a household name. When McCain ran for President I worked with Col. David Hackworth to get this guy to go public with his information. He declined.

    McCain has been protected by the fact that the guys who know, first-hand, what a scoundrel and traitor he is are the types of guys who will keep quiet so as to not bring scandal and dishonor to the military and country.

    I would hate to enter into eternity with the track record of a guy who advocated and worked for so hard for wars and the slaughter of millons of human beings. Especially for his ignoble reasons.

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  36. Here’s an article that made waves awhile ago when it was first announced McCain had cancer. Although the I wish the author would quit beating around the bush and tell us she REALLY feels about John McCain:

    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/please-just-fucking-die-already-acb3a879656e

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  37. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Wrong, on pretty much all counts. Charles Murray in "Coming Apart: the State of White America 1960-2010" noted the rate of all classes among Whites in 1960 for single motherhood was 4% or thereabouts. For the White working class, it was 40% in 2010, among the Middle and Upper Middle class it was more than 20%, and only among the Upper Classes did it remain 4%.

    For all classes, infidelity and sleeping around in African patterns seems the norm; only where really SERIOUS power and money are involved does single mommery go out the window and the traditional nuclear family come into play.

    The data strongly suggests that women are seeking out mostly on the lower end lots of various bad boys, to have kids with out of wedlock. Legitimacy is irrelevant as is support, with welfare and working on the side etc. And that pattern is increasing in the middle class -- women who earn their own living don't need to compromise on male sexiness and co-paternity, i.e. siblings with different fathers is on the rise among Whites and seems to be very rapidly approaching African American to say nothing of African norms.

    Incels discussed in the Pao article make good money -- Google, Twitter, Facebook etc. pay their top engineering staff well -- and the utter lack of women charging into Silicon Valley to gold-dig is telling. There's all those dudes there with money -- and women find them repulsive beyond belief. To the point where there seems a concerted effort by moral busybody women and journalists (but I repeat myself) for a society wide virgin hunt to suss out which men have not had enough action in the past month and presumably burn them at the stake for being unsexy and making them feelz bad.

    At any rate the family formation models seem to have decisively shifted among Whites to women having kids, often multiple ones, with various bad boys often different fathers who have no role at all in support their provision not needed. African American and African women seem quite happy with this arrangement. It is very good at eliminating nerds from the gene pool and creating nothing but the best singers, dancers, fighters, etc. who don't do a lick of work if it can be avoided.

    Of course women (age 35 not 25) who age out of being able to appeal to bad boys by hitting the wall, hard, will have to settle for a nerd or worse, she to have some sort of man even one she despises for having to settle for, and he to finally exit incel hell even if he knows he's not really wanted or needed. This amounts for the extraordinary instability in marriage and high divorce rates -- neither partner is that invested in the other and in particular female settling for a much lower man in sexiness than they had in their youth is a guarantee almost of divorce.

    Look at the gold-diggers not digging: where are all the adventuresses in Silicon Valley? Heck not even Zuck's Master of the Universe evil comic book villain schtick could net him a Stormy Daniels. Unlike Trump who has had a succession of gold-diggers doing quite well.

    Look at the gold-diggers not digging: where are all the adventuresses in Silicon Valley? Heck not even Zuck’s Master of the Universe evil comic book villain schtick could net him a Stormy Daniels. Unlike Trump who has had a succession of gold-diggers doing quite well.

    Are you kidding?? IMO, if you were some MOTU mega-billionaire who looked like Hugh Jackman I don’t think you could do much better than Priscilla Chan, a tan and stacked China girl w/ an M.D. who’s into family.

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    Chan is charitably, "personable" and seems to be the only woman Zuck ever had sex with. She clearly avoids touching him as much as possible in public to the general amusement of the internet.

    Rupert Murdoch had Wendi Deng, a zillion years his junior. Zuck has a woman who obviously avoids any contact not mandated in her NDA contract, and is not very pretty nor apparently very bright beyond the SJW platitudes she utters in respectable society.

    You would expect your standard issue supervillain to have at least an actress level girlfriend/wife. Zuck can't even manage the Girl Next Door.
    , @Autochthon

    I don’t think you could do much better than Priscilla Chan, a tan and stacked China girl w/ an M.D. who’s into family.
     
    This word: I do not think it means what you think it means....
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  38. Hunsdon says:
    @newrouter
    "John McCain is spending his last months...um...hoping a hawk eats his dog"

    well there's the hawkish John "effin'" Kerry:

    John Kerry under fire for reported 'shadow diplomacy' to save Iran deal

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/05/john-kerry-under-fire-for-reported-shadow-diplomacy-to-save-iran-deal.html

    Say, wasn’t there some talk about, what was it again? oh yes, the Logan Act, early in the Trump Reign? Something about making foreign policy with an enemy of the United States? Ah yes. Now, I’m personally not opposed to the Iran deal, but I’ve always heard that sauce for the goose implies sauce for the gander.

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  39. unit472 says:

    Randall Cunningham great pilot, war hero, dirty politician. John McCain, crummy pilot, POW, dirty politician. I guess the lesson is if you are skilled and brave stay out of Washington. If you are lousy at your chosen trade, weak and corrupt, D.C. is your home.

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  40. 15 acres is not a “ranch”.

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  41. ‘Republican Politician Sides with American Hawk over Mexican Dog’ is a story I would not have guessed to refer to John McCain.

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  42. Bugg says:
    @LondonBob
    McCain survived the torture by singing like a songbird. I won't criticise him too much for that as who knows how one would react in similar circumstances, except most didn't engage in treason, but he certainly shouldn't be packaged as some sort of war hero.

    His marrying in to the mob, treatment of his ex wife, Keating scandal, campaign finance 'reform', peculiar attachment to immigration and Israel, are all more worthy of condemnation. Like Linsey he is a creation of the media.

    Jeff Gates has written many exposes on this media darling.

    McCain dumped the wife who stood by him during his captivity to go with Cindy, daughter of the local Bud distributor. He can thank his father in law for his comfort; he has nothing to do with it. No wonder he is good friends with John Kerry; 2 sides of the same marry well the 2nd time coin. Quite deserving that the MSM that made him a DC player dumped him like a hot potato when The One appeared. And as a not very bright guy with no real governing beliefs nor philosophy beyond it was good for him to be on the government tit, he had no way to respond.Since the day Reagan went home until Trump showed up, the GOP was a joke.

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    McCain dumped the wife who stood by him during his captivity to go with Cindy, daughter of the local Bud distributor. He can thank his father in law for his comfort; he has nothing to do with it.

    He's been a federal employee since 1958. He'd have a satisfactory pension and Social Security if he'd never met Cindy Hensley. His father-in-law financed his opening in politics, but it's not as if there aren't other options for retired military.
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  43. Busby says:

    I’ve always wondered, when did the aliens replace conservative Congressman John McCain with maverick iconoclastic Senator John McCain?

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    When McCain came out in opposition to Trump? (aliens = MSM here) It seemed to work for GWB as well.
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  44. istevefan says:

    I believe it was Samuel Francis who once remarked that when he watched nature shows on TV and saw a crocodile attempting to grab some animal along a river bank, he found that he instinctively supported the mammal. I can’t find that quote, so maybe I misremembered who said it.

    But assuming it was Francis, it is interesting that one can see the concentric loyalties reflected in the paleocon, and also in McCain’s neocon worldview by these observations on animal fights. I am not surprised the paleo would support the mammal while the neocon would not.

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  45. Lugash says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    The bulk of American POWs, like the bulk of humanity would, broke under torture and signed confessions. I don't see why that should be held against him. McCain has never denied dping so. By all accounts he could have taken an early release and he didn't. Being stuck in a Vietnamese POW camp for six years is no joke.

    No one denies McCain went through hell. McCain’s problem is that he seems to have learned an anti-lesson about the misery that war causes. Iran, Ukraine, Georgia, Libya, Syria are all great places to fuck up in his twisted world view.

    The world will be a better place when this warmonger slips off the mortal coil.

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  46. @Tiny Duck
    I don't agree with McCain policies but I respect his opposition to trump and his coomitment to immigrants

    bored identity is sure that Hanoi Nightingale will totally appreciate your endorsement :

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091229111640AAKnRcH

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  47. anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    Just a warhawk all the way who found common cause with extremist jihadis against others with whom we have greater similarities such as the Russians. Big mistake, we ourselves breathed life into these fanatics thanks to McCain and others with their obsessive hatreds. The average American has gotten nothing out of all this and McCain never worked on behalf of them. He’s made it to 81 which is a lot more than many other people have done. He’s gotten quite a few people killed along the way. It’s not just him personally but there’s something wrong somewhere that a person like this could hang around as an albatross around our necks for practically forever. Mother nature is doing for us what the political system couldn’t.

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  48. Whitney says:

    He seems so shallow to me. He is approaching death, that far shore from which no one ever returns, and he’s settling scores and being petty. It seems so pointless

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  49. I cannot stand McCain.

    But, I also hate little yapping bug-eyed Mexican rat-dogs.

    And…hawks are kind of badass.

    Never thought I would say it again*…but McCain got this right.

    *He was also correct in his opposition to legalizing torture.

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  50. *Let’s not be sentimental about McCain. We owe him the Truth. As Obama pointed out, John McCain used race against him in 2008. But that should come as no surprise, McCain has a problematic history with regard to race in general.

    Per TeenVogue.com

    https://www.teenvogue.com/story/5-problematic-things-senator-john-mccain-has-done-during-his-40-year-career-in-politics

    Remember these things as the mainstream media hagiograph-izes McCain over the coming months.

    *Bad Satire

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  51. John McCain is a treasonous rat who pushes nation-wrecking open borders mass immigration. McCain pushes sovereignty-sapping, wage-reducing trade deal scams. McCain pushes for endless overseas war and the promiscuous use of the US military as muscle in the Middle East and West Asia on behalf of Israel.

    John McCain will go straight to hell when he croaks. I see McCain has a Pakenham ancestor. When McCain croaks they can stick his carcass in a barrel of rum just like they did with British Empire General Neddy Pakenham after he got blasted by troops fighting for General Andrew Jackson at New Orleans in 1815.

    I’ve had a couple of tangles with McCain on the presidential primary campaign trail. I managed to maintain my composure during both occasions, much as George Washington would have done when confronted with a sleazy treasonous rodent.

    Charles Pewitt Confronts John McCain On Immigration, October 2007

    Introduction to my townhall question, which some wags have called a mini-speech. Everyone has their critics:

    “Hello Senator McCain, I’d like to talk about the issue that’s going to destroy the Republican Party, and unfortunately it may destroy the United States of America as we all know it. And that issue is immigration…”

    Video, relevant portion starts at 58:00:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?201489-1/mccain-campaign-event

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  52. John McCain’s Immigration Treason Will Accompany Him To Hell

    “Hello Senator McCain, I’d like to talk about the issue that’s going to destroy the Republican Party, and unfortunately it may destroy the United States of America as we all know it. And that issue is immigration…”

    John McCain spent his whole political life pushing for nation-wrecking mass immigration.

    John McCain pushed for and voted for the Rubio/Obama Mass Immigration Surge — Illegal Alien Amnesty bill(S 744) of June 2013. That treasonous immigration law would have doubled or tripled legal immigration and it would have given amnesty to upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders.

    McCain’s immigration bill(S 744) passed the US Senate but was stopped in the US House by House Speaker Boehner. Boehner knew that treasonous immigration law would have caused a bloody civil war inside the GOP.

    Every GOP Senator who voted for that treasonous 2013 immigration bill(S 744) must be removed from power. Many have been, still some remain.

    Rot In Hell John McCain, You Damn Traitor!

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  53. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Wrong, on pretty much all counts. Charles Murray in "Coming Apart: the State of White America 1960-2010" noted the rate of all classes among Whites in 1960 for single motherhood was 4% or thereabouts. For the White working class, it was 40% in 2010, among the Middle and Upper Middle class it was more than 20%, and only among the Upper Classes did it remain 4%.

    For all classes, infidelity and sleeping around in African patterns seems the norm; only where really SERIOUS power and money are involved does single mommery go out the window and the traditional nuclear family come into play.

    The data strongly suggests that women are seeking out mostly on the lower end lots of various bad boys, to have kids with out of wedlock. Legitimacy is irrelevant as is support, with welfare and working on the side etc. And that pattern is increasing in the middle class -- women who earn their own living don't need to compromise on male sexiness and co-paternity, i.e. siblings with different fathers is on the rise among Whites and seems to be very rapidly approaching African American to say nothing of African norms.

    Incels discussed in the Pao article make good money -- Google, Twitter, Facebook etc. pay their top engineering staff well -- and the utter lack of women charging into Silicon Valley to gold-dig is telling. There's all those dudes there with money -- and women find them repulsive beyond belief. To the point where there seems a concerted effort by moral busybody women and journalists (but I repeat myself) for a society wide virgin hunt to suss out which men have not had enough action in the past month and presumably burn them at the stake for being unsexy and making them feelz bad.

    At any rate the family formation models seem to have decisively shifted among Whites to women having kids, often multiple ones, with various bad boys often different fathers who have no role at all in support their provision not needed. African American and African women seem quite happy with this arrangement. It is very good at eliminating nerds from the gene pool and creating nothing but the best singers, dancers, fighters, etc. who don't do a lick of work if it can be avoided.

    Of course women (age 35 not 25) who age out of being able to appeal to bad boys by hitting the wall, hard, will have to settle for a nerd or worse, she to have some sort of man even one she despises for having to settle for, and he to finally exit incel hell even if he knows he's not really wanted or needed. This amounts for the extraordinary instability in marriage and high divorce rates -- neither partner is that invested in the other and in particular female settling for a much lower man in sexiness than they had in their youth is a guarantee almost of divorce.

    Look at the gold-diggers not digging: where are all the adventuresses in Silicon Valley? Heck not even Zuck's Master of the Universe evil comic book villain schtick could net him a Stormy Daniels. Unlike Trump who has had a succession of gold-diggers doing quite well.

    Gold-diggers have a very hard time getting at Incel programmers in Silicon Valley. It’s not that they wouldn’t mind bagging a guy with money. But Gold-diggers generally start out poor with no access to their prey. They have to create access. But it’s hard to move to Silicon Valley and find a cheap apartment or house, especially when you don’t have much of an income. Secondly, Gold-diggers don’t have the brains to be hired by a tech company, so they can’t get access by being a co-worker. Incels tend not to socialize, so Gold-diggers can’t find them in non-working social spaces.

    A place where the housing is overpriced works as well at keeping out the riffraff as a heavily guarded castle with a moat. A work space that is highly selective for intelligence functions like a heavily guarded castle with a moat. Someone who can only be found in their office or their house might as well be living in a heavily guarded castle with a moat.

    In other words, Silicon Valley Incels live like princesses in heavily guarded towers, and their knightly Gold-digger can’t chop through all the obstacles to get at them.

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    I'm not buying that. Hollywood is darn expensive and NYC even more so. And it does not lack for Gold Diggers.

    There is not much opportunity for women with pretty looks but not much brains to work at Goldman Sachs, yet there are plenty of mover and shaker types at Goldman and other hedge funds even out in Connecticut that end up with their own Marla Maples.

    Heck, Ms. Maples herself. IIRC she was not in the Donald's class at Wharton now was she?

    If women wanted to bag a nerd, it would be like Brian Bosworth shooting carp in a barrel with a .357 magnum revolver. Just go to a programming meet up, or Dungeons and Dragons expo, or some corporate mixer, or some technical presentation. Size up the marks and pick out the juiciest one, ask for "technical help" etc. There are also well-known hangouts for wealthy coders in Silicon Valley and SF.

    Conclusion: Hollywood actors, Big Shot financial people, all have enough testosterone dominance to make gold-digging by various women a going proposition. Donald Trump had a couple at least while Mark Zuckerberg arguably more powerful than Trump as a private non-candidate citizen, had none. As did Bill Gates before him, see also Brin and Page, etc.

    Heck where are all the aging Hollywood actress types looking for financial security? They have money and looks and allure enough to land a nerd. They're not looking. It must be that male nerdiness without dominant a-hole testosterone like in an a-hole hedge fund manager (by definition an A-hole) is just too repellent.

    Women don't value money over everything. Certainly not enough to put up with a nerd.
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  55. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:

    Whiskey, it’s been twelve freaking years, man. Twelve years since you started this shtick as just another cantankerous commentator at The Belmont Club.

    Isn’t it a little concerning to you that you spent those twelve years with Whiskey in your life?

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  57. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong
    OT:

    I was originally a bit put off by your posts on the incel stuff, if for no other reason than I think most of the readers and commenters on this site are middle aged family men, with a smattering of family women and young men. Most of us would prefer a golf course architecture post. My initial reaction was that young men not getting as much sex as they would like--this does not seem like a new phenomenon. Maybe things have changed a bit; the culture has changed from discouraging hedonism to valuing it; so I can see why failure to gratify base desires seems like a bigger problem to this generation than it did to mine, but still...

    However, I think the incel stuff and the #meToo stuff is really just the same phenomenon as experienced by the different sexes. It is the endpoint of the breakdown in sexual mores that started in the 1960s.

    Think of the dating/marriage market. From a woman's perspective, the possible outcomes from best to worst would be, from an evolutionary perspective:
    1.) have children (preferably lots) with a desirable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    2.) have children (preferably lots) with a more average man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you
    3a.) (tie) have children with a less desireable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you OR
    3b.) (tie) have children with a very desirable man who is not going to help with childrearing or be very involved with your children. (You will probably end up with fewer total children compared to 3a.)
    4.) have no children

    Now 2 and 3 can move around a bit depending on how much a man's support makes a difference in getting the kids to adulthood and starting their own families--obviously in a welfare state the value of the dedicated mate goes down--but this is the rough outline. And I know this list varies culturally--this is what I think is the white woman list, the black woman list would move 3b up to 2.

    Regardless: the problem is that the loosening of sexual mores has allowed the desireable men to have many more sexual partners than they would have previously. Do women want this? Yes--but only if they actually end up with the man long term in situation 1.) They don't fantasize about dating a desirable man for a year and then being dumped, and repeating this process until they are no longer desirable, which is what generally happens. People are endlessly optimistic and so women think that they are going to be the exception to the rule until it dawns on them that they aren't. When this realization comes, they are naturally filled with rage as they have foregone options 2-3 and sunk all the way to option 4. Some of the #meToo outrage is justified anger at men who behaved abominably, masturbating into potted plants and whatnot, but some of it can be boiled down to 'desirable man X pursued me but when all was said and done he just wanted sex, and I felt used.'

    The flip side to this is that the men who would have paired up with the women in situations 2-3 do not have mates, hence the incel phenomenon. Most of the incels, incidentally, won't stay incels, as a fair percentage of women seem to wise up around 25-26 and start looking for option 2. Men aren't blind, however, and many of these fairly normal men can't help but realize they were not the first choice: this is not a healthy way to start a relationship. In previous eras it was easier to be willfully ignorant.

    Anyway, the old sexual taboos existed for a reason. They were tied up with religion and so when people started to disbelieve the specifics of religions they threw the baby out with the bath water.

    1.) have children (preferably lots) with a desirable man who is dedicated solely to you and the children he has with you

    0.5) have children (preferably lots) with desirable MEN and HAVE RECOURSE TO A MAN dedicated solely to you and the children YOU HAVE BIRTHED.

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  58. @black sea
    I think you're onto to something with this post.

    One thing I would add is that women -- I believe -- HATE, HATE, HATE having to pressure their long-term boyfriends into an engagement. I think you don't hear too much about this in the media, or for that matter in male/female conversation, because women aren't really supposed to particularly want to get married (media) and women find it pretty humiliating to acknowledge that they have to push hard on the marriage front just to get a ring (male/female conversation).

    Contemporary delusions aside, women know that men have a roving eye, and want to feel that of all the competition available, her man has chosen her as by far the most desirable, and that with some luck he'll continue to see her that way as the years go by.

    Under current conventions, however, men and women can remain in a relationship of somewhat ambiguous status for years (are we just having fun, are we a couple, are we living together, are we moving toward marriage, are we ever going to have kids?). Many men are perfectly OK with this.

    They've never fantasized about being married, or speculated as to the type of woman that they would want to marry, and this relationship holding pattern provides them with some sexual and personal companionship, while still allowing them other options without the mess of divorce. In my experience, men just don't plan their lives around marriage to nearly the extent that women do.

    For this reason among others, a woman often has a powerful but not much acknowledged desire to be swept off her feet by someone who, it seems, finally recognizes her for the once-in-a-lifetime catch that she may not really believe she is, but that she really wants to believe he thinks she is.

    As is so often the case with topics discussed on this site, a large part of the problem is that our society has chosen to prioritize what a cadre of social theory experts believe should be the proper form of human nature over what human nature observably is.

    In the military I ran into plenty of young guys who had some fantasy of married life, but it oddly played out like this, in this order:

    “I’m going to get married, get a nice house, a dog, and a couple kids.”

    The woman was oddly enough only implied in the equation. Hell, in today’s US military, there doesn’t even need to be a woman involved at all, except maybe for the kids, and I bet TPTB have DARPA on that already.

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  59. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea
    I think you're onto to something with this post.

    One thing I would add is that women -- I believe -- HATE, HATE, HATE having to pressure their long-term boyfriends into an engagement. I think you don't hear too much about this in the media, or for that matter in male/female conversation, because women aren't really supposed to particularly want to get married (media) and women find it pretty humiliating to acknowledge that they have to push hard on the marriage front just to get a ring (male/female conversation).

    Contemporary delusions aside, women know that men have a roving eye, and want to feel that of all the competition available, her man has chosen her as by far the most desirable, and that with some luck he'll continue to see her that way as the years go by.

    Under current conventions, however, men and women can remain in a relationship of somewhat ambiguous status for years (are we just having fun, are we a couple, are we living together, are we moving toward marriage, are we ever going to have kids?). Many men are perfectly OK with this.

    They've never fantasized about being married, or speculated as to the type of woman that they would want to marry, and this relationship holding pattern provides them with some sexual and personal companionship, while still allowing them other options without the mess of divorce. In my experience, men just don't plan their lives around marriage to nearly the extent that women do.

    For this reason among others, a woman often has a powerful but not much acknowledged desire to be swept off her feet by someone who, it seems, finally recognizes her for the once-in-a-lifetime catch that she may not really believe she is, but that she really wants to believe he thinks she is.

    As is so often the case with topics discussed on this site, a large part of the problem is that our society has chosen to prioritize what a cadre of social theory experts believe should be the proper form of human nature over what human nature observably is.

    Women are driven crazy by men who want to date them but who won’t propose. If he wants you and wants to stick around, but can’t work up the nerve to propose marriage, women feel real anger and disgust for the guy, though they may keep it hidden. Women think he’s a coward and a milksop. If a better man comes along and flirts with her, it’s very likely she’s going to walk out on her former relationship. She’s won’t feel any sense of loyalty to him if he shows no loyalty to her by refusing to ask for a marital commitment.

    Loyalty has to work both ways to work properly. If you’re a soldier in an army and an officer want you to feel loyalty to him and wants you to be willing to get shot or die for him, you have to be convinced that’s he’s just as loyal to you to make it worthwhile, and your officer has to be willing be out there on the firing line, bust his butt when you’re busting your butt, and he even has to be willing to get shot for you if it comes to that.

    An officer who runs away when things get tough is only going to make you feel disgusted, and you will feel no loyalty towards that person. The neural wiring for loyalty that is given to human beings doesn’t differentiate. A man-woman relationship isn’t any different.

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  60. wardog says:
    @AnotherDad
    America's Vidkun Quisling--only worse. I'm glad he's going. But i wish the American resistance had triumphed and we could put him on trial to face a Quisling's fate.

    McCain will face Quisling’s fate. They’ll be together in Hell!!!

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  61. LondonBob says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    The bulk of American POWs, like the bulk of humanity would, broke under torture and signed confessions. I don't see why that should be held against him. McCain has never denied dping so. By all accounts he could have taken an early release and he didn't. Being stuck in a Vietnamese POW camp for six years is no joke.

    Very few collaborated to the extent McCain did, providing the ‘package routes’ for US aircraft.

    https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2010/08/13/john-mccain-a-closer-look-at-evil-part-14/

    I know Ron Unz also wrote or commented on a very good expose of the Arizon ‘maverick’.

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    DI would recommend reading the below which I found after reading Unz's Tokyo Rose article. Seemed plausible to me. Unz did not appear to consider the possibility that the sources he was using were mad at McCain for his role in normalising relations with Vietnam. Or his father for his involvement in the USS Liberty incident. Thanks for posting the Jeff Gates article but he doesn't seem an objective source given the Veterans Today site he posted the article reckons America is occupied by a Zionist criminal class.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jan/17/mccains-pow-record-attacked/

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  62. res says:
    @Busby
    I’ve always wondered, when did the aliens replace conservative Congressman John McCain with maverick iconoclastic Senator John McCain?

    When McCain came out in opposition to Trump? (aliens = MSM here) It seemed to work for GWB as well.

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  63. @black sea
    I think you're onto to something with this post.

    One thing I would add is that women -- I believe -- HATE, HATE, HATE having to pressure their long-term boyfriends into an engagement. I think you don't hear too much about this in the media, or for that matter in male/female conversation, because women aren't really supposed to particularly want to get married (media) and women find it pretty humiliating to acknowledge that they have to push hard on the marriage front just to get a ring (male/female conversation).

    Contemporary delusions aside, women know that men have a roving eye, and want to feel that of all the competition available, her man has chosen her as by far the most desirable, and that with some luck he'll continue to see her that way as the years go by.

    Under current conventions, however, men and women can remain in a relationship of somewhat ambiguous status for years (are we just having fun, are we a couple, are we living together, are we moving toward marriage, are we ever going to have kids?). Many men are perfectly OK with this.

    They've never fantasized about being married, or speculated as to the type of woman that they would want to marry, and this relationship holding pattern provides them with some sexual and personal companionship, while still allowing them other options without the mess of divorce. In my experience, men just don't plan their lives around marriage to nearly the extent that women do.

    For this reason among others, a woman often has a powerful but not much acknowledged desire to be swept off her feet by someone who, it seems, finally recognizes her for the once-in-a-lifetime catch that she may not really believe she is, but that she really wants to believe he thinks she is.

    As is so often the case with topics discussed on this site, a large part of the problem is that our society has chosen to prioritize what a cadre of social theory experts believe should be the proper form of human nature over what human nature observably is.

    Good encapsulation of what I just observed with a woman at my gym. They shacked up for years, while apparently she wanted to be married the whole time. He finally proposes and she has this huge wedding. When she tells me all this she’s beaming like a 19 year old virgin…. she’s in her late 30′s.

    I don’t get the shacking up thing. If that’s the right person, why not get married? If it’s not the right person, how will living together make it any better?

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  64. Svigor says:
    @Berty
    Poor predicable iSteve. Some fuckwad derails yet another thread with retarded ramblings about women and all the lonely old Boomers here can't help but join the party.

    So damn tired of this.

    It’s like the “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here” thing. Whiskey fights “ANTI-SEMITISM!!!” via distraction; if they’re paying attention to his dog and pony show, they’re not paying attention to the Jews. Note he’s also (probably incidentally) fighting on behalf of Blacks and other non-Whites, and against White interests. That might be why he started rolling some crit of Blacks into his repertoire some years back…throw the dogs off the scent.

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    No, I have more than half a brain of the sub-morons who think Adolf was just peachy. Or that some secret cabal of Jews turning the West into Lagos meets Islamabad is somehow a win for the "JOOOOOSSSSSS!" dambit! What was the question?

    What is more likely, that the combination of the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, rising female income, mass female-driven consumerism, the rise of the managerial state and managerial hereditary aristocracy, deeply rooted genetic flaws among Europeans (leapfrogging loyalty in Darwinistic mate-advantage displays, virtue signaling, conformity), and the general effect of massive urban concentration is sufficient to explain the poz?

    Or that Jerry Seinfeld, Adam Sandler, Meathead, George Soros, and secret Jew GWB all get together to control every aspect of society including the weather?

    Hint: if you think the same things as a DC Congressman its highly likely you are a low grade idiot.

    My objection to the Nazi Larping is that its the equivalent of bleeding with leeches an anemia patient. At best a distraction and worst actively harmful.

    The problem is we live in a profoundly de-militarized society, almost no one serves in the military, budgets are constantly cut and the military can't get its equipment: ships, planes, armor, logistics, even when stuff like the F-22 provides military dominance and lots of Dem Union Jobs (Gates axed it immediately). Instead female-driven social media, consumerist media, and the like rule and the obsessions of the day are all female social positioning, instead of the society in military oriented nations like Russia and China. [Sorry to break it to you Svigor, but Russia is FULL OF JEWS and Putin is friendly with JEWS!!!!!111Eleventy!!!]

    Not even Israel can kick out its African migrants because the Courts being feminized and filled with social positioning (the mostly female law clerks run the courts in every Western Nation the way Bishops mostly ran the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages).

    The raw simple problem is power: it is mostly in the hands of female consumers who prefer an aristocratic managerial class with the veneer of meritocracy. Breaking the poz means not a Jew hunt which is about as useful and giving good outcome as the Incel Virgin hunt of Ellen Pao, but breaking consumerism and the managerial class.

    But yes, go ahead and Nazi Larp. That worked out so well for Richard Spencer.
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  65. Svigor says:

    As for McCain, I’m torn between the desire to not to revel in anyone’s imminent death, and the desire to revel in the imminent death of a particularly loathsome and repugnant man.

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    As for McCain, I’m torn between the desire to not to revel in anyone’s imminent death, and the desire to revel in the imminent death of a particularly loathsome and repugnant man.

    What, are you worried that people will think you are in the same category as the Commies who celebrated when Thatcher died? Now think, how convinced were you by the kids TV shows that featured some treacly sermonizing about "If we did that, it would make us just as bad as the villain!"? Not much, right? But, to them, we are the villains. Ergo, by doing as they do we become a little more good, hence the behavior is actually justified.

    In any case, such displays are indeed tacky. Just have a quiet beer when the time comes.
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  66. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Ali Choudhury
    The bulk of American POWs, like the bulk of humanity would, broke under torture and signed confessions. I don't see why that should be held against him. McCain has never denied dping so. By all accounts he could have taken an early release and he didn't. Being stuck in a Vietnamese POW camp for six years is no joke.

    Do you have a specific quantity and citation for “bulk” and have you read Ron Unz’s article on McCain’s conduct? There is nobody who is mad at a tortured man who wants the torture to stop. McCain has done plenty even before becoming a warmongering senator to justify hate.

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    Per Wiki, page 548 of Hubbell's book states virtually every American POW in Vietnam signed a confession statement.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/W-Definitive-Prisoner-War-Experience/dp/0595138888
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  67. @Berty
    Poor predicable iSteve. Some fuckwad derails yet another thread with retarded ramblings about women and all the lonely old Boomers here can't help but join the party.

    So damn tired of this.

    Fml a Berty post I agree with.

    Some of y’all need to suppress your monomania (to include tediously rambling in response to someone noticing the Kosher Kuestion).

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  68. Neoconned says:
    @Anonymous
    The modern tendency to misuse the word 'hero' (which, of course, is from the ancient Greek, and relates to the notion of a mortal man, who by his uncommon valor and martial prowess is elevated in esteem to the realm of the gods) is most unfortunate.

    As Donald Trump might have put it, there's nothing innately 'heroic' in being captured and being made into another man's bitch. Anyone can do it.

    On other venues online when I bring up the subject of giving Guam, P Rico etc their independence and then writing off their tens of billions of dollars in outstanding debts AND giving them a goodbye reparation of say a trillion bucks to rebuild their puke island and then deport all P Ricans back to their island they get REALLY REALLY bitter and talk about their “sacrifices” in all the wars of the 20th century and then they get madder when I tell them the USA would have been better off staying out of all those wars save perhaps WW2 and they just lose what left they have of their cool and call you a racist blah blah.

    One got mad at me when I told him wages in the Gulf South would probably be $3-10 higher if there weren’t any Ricans around here driving up rents and property taxes by flooding the local schools with their ESL kids…..

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  69. gunner29 says:

    Ever since McCain became a politician, I’ve been convinced they only beat on his noggin while he was a prisoner. That would explain lots of him….

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  70. Jake says:

    All you need to know about John McCain is that the the Left has been giving him a pass for more than 30 years. For that to happen, either you are a Leftist pretending not to be, or else you are stupid enough and/or greedy enough to take Leftist bribes to do the Left’s bidding.

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  71. anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:

    McCain is about to depart this vale of tears. I only wish that he would do so gracefully. Enough with “the hawk” and go. Please go and meet…whoever (and for his sake hopefully it won’t be Ol’ Scratch).

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  72. @LondonBob
    Very few collaborated to the extent McCain did, providing the 'package routes' for US aircraft.

    https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2010/08/13/john-mccain-a-closer-look-at-evil-part-14/

    I know Ron Unz also wrote or commented on a very good expose of the Arizon 'maverick'.

    DI would recommend reading the below which I found after reading Unz’s Tokyo Rose article. Seemed plausible to me. Unz did not appear to consider the possibility that the sources he was using were mad at McCain for his role in normalising relations with Vietnam. Or his father for his involvement in the USS Liberty incident. Thanks for posting the Jeff Gates article but he doesn’t seem an objective source given the Veterans Today site he posted the article reckons America is occupied by a Zionist criminal class.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jan/17/mccains-pow-record-attacked/

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    Gates has an impeccable background, where else could he get published though?

    https://www.wrmea.org/2008-november/books-guilt-by-association-how-deception-and-self-deceit-took-america-to-war.html
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  73. @J.Ross
    Do you have a specific quantity and citation for "bulk" and have you read Ron Unz's article on McCain's conduct? There is nobody who is mad at a tortured man who wants the torture to stop. McCain has done plenty even before becoming a warmongering senator to justify hate.

    Per Wiki, page 548 of Hubbell’s book states virtually every American POW in Vietnam signed a confession statement.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/W-Definitive-Prisoner-War-Experience/dp/0595138888

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    Have you read Unz's piece on McCain?
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  74. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Ali Choudhury
    Per Wiki, page 548 of Hubbell's book states virtually every American POW in Vietnam signed a confession statement.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/W-Definitive-Prisoner-War-Experience/dp/0595138888

    Have you read Unz’s piece on McCain?

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    Yes, see my reply to LondonBob.
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  75. Berty says:

    It’s hilarious imagining McCain having picket Lieberman.

    It would have been a literal Zombie Ticket.

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  76. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Berty
    Poor predicable iSteve. Some fuckwad derails yet another thread with retarded ramblings about women and all the lonely old Boomers here can't help but join the party.

    So damn tired of this.

    I agree. When men ramble on about what men want in a woman it’s fine. But when men start rambling on about what women want in men it’s just ridiculous.

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  77. e says:
    @Tiny Duck
    I don't agree with McCain policies but I respect his opposition to trump and his coomitment to immigrants

    Oh, Duch…I mean, Duck, McCain has never been committed to immigrants. He’s very much committed to those who run the world and pay him to take their positions. Silly you.

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    He’s very much committed to those who run the world and pay him to take their positions.

    He could have left Congress 15 years ago and had an agreeable retirement. He could have made satisfactory coin as a lobbyist. His wife's a centimillionaire. He doesn't need the money. Understanding why McCain takes the positions he does is going to require understanding something about his inner dialogue.

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  78. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @prusmc
    I was a supporter of his in 96 and 2000. Actually, I flirted with the thought of Colin Powell in 96. My McCain enthusiasm cooled by 2008 but what was the alternative? For better or worse he either did not want the presidency or via sheer incompetence or insider blackmail went into the tank for Obama. Ever since then my respect for him has declined to a level below zero.

    I met a retired Navy fighter pilot who flew in carrier operations in the 64 -70 era. We had a great conversation and then, I asked: did you ever know a guy named John Sydney McCainIII? HE Didn't answer but a strange look came over him, he never answered and changed the subject. Sorry this thread got diverted to women and their mysterious ways rather than stay on JSMcIII.

    If you don’t have a woman you write about women.

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  79. McCain ought to be remembered for having twice managed to vault his political fortune by way of getting captured, the second time in transitioning from a maverick – promoting term limits – to a valuable maverick-veneered, war-mongering establishment mouthpiece.

    McCain’s great political success points to a special appeal of the forum of politics, correlating with the level of corruption within it: here middling minds may turn the tables on their betters simply by being more purchasable, more obsequious to power than those moderated by more advanced mental and ethical development.

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  80. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Svigor
    It's like the "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" thing. Whiskey fights "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!" via distraction; if they're paying attention to his dog and pony show, they're not paying attention to the Jews. Note he's also (probably incidentally) fighting on behalf of Blacks and other non-Whites, and against White interests. That might be why he started rolling some crit of Blacks into his repertoire some years back...throw the dogs off the scent.

    No, I have more than half a brain of the sub-morons who think Adolf was just peachy. Or that some secret cabal of Jews turning the West into Lagos meets Islamabad is somehow a win for the “JOOOOOSSSSSS!” dambit! What was the question?

    What is more likely, that the combination of the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, rising female income, mass female-driven consumerism, the rise of the managerial state and managerial hereditary aristocracy, deeply rooted genetic flaws among Europeans (leapfrogging loyalty in Darwinistic mate-advantage displays, virtue signaling, conformity), and the general effect of massive urban concentration is sufficient to explain the poz?

    Or that Jerry Seinfeld, Adam Sandler, Meathead, George Soros, and secret Jew GWB all get together to control every aspect of society including the weather?

    Hint: if you think the same things as a DC Congressman its highly likely you are a low grade idiot.

    My objection to the Nazi Larping is that its the equivalent of bleeding with leeches an anemia patient. At best a distraction and worst actively harmful.

    The problem is we live in a profoundly de-militarized society, almost no one serves in the military, budgets are constantly cut and the military can’t get its equipment: ships, planes, armor, logistics, even when stuff like the F-22 provides military dominance and lots of Dem Union Jobs (Gates axed it immediately). Instead female-driven social media, consumerist media, and the like rule and the obsessions of the day are all female social positioning, instead of the society in military oriented nations like Russia and China. [Sorry to break it to you Svigor, but Russia is FULL OF JEWS and Putin is friendly with JEWS!!!!!111Eleventy!!!]

    Not even Israel can kick out its African migrants because the Courts being feminized and filled with social positioning (the mostly female law clerks run the courts in every Western Nation the way Bishops mostly ran the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages).

    The raw simple problem is power: it is mostly in the hands of female consumers who prefer an aristocratic managerial class with the veneer of meritocracy. Breaking the poz means not a Jew hunt which is about as useful and giving good outcome as the Incel Virgin hunt of Ellen Pao, but breaking consumerism and the managerial class.

    But yes, go ahead and Nazi Larp. That worked out so well for Richard Spencer.

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  81. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Anon
    Gold-diggers have a very hard time getting at Incel programmers in Silicon Valley. It's not that they wouldn't mind bagging a guy with money. But Gold-diggers generally start out poor with no access to their prey. They have to create access. But it's hard to move to Silicon Valley and find a cheap apartment or house, especially when you don't have much of an income. Secondly, Gold-diggers don't have the brains to be hired by a tech company, so they can't get access by being a co-worker. Incels tend not to socialize, so Gold-diggers can't find them in non-working social spaces.

    A place where the housing is overpriced works as well at keeping out the riffraff as a heavily guarded castle with a moat. A work space that is highly selective for intelligence functions like a heavily guarded castle with a moat. Someone who can only be found in their office or their house might as well be living in a heavily guarded castle with a moat.

    In other words, Silicon Valley Incels live like princesses in heavily guarded towers, and their knightly Gold-digger can't chop through all the obstacles to get at them.

    I’m not buying that. Hollywood is darn expensive and NYC even more so. And it does not lack for Gold Diggers.

    There is not much opportunity for women with pretty looks but not much brains to work at Goldman Sachs, yet there are plenty of mover and shaker types at Goldman and other hedge funds even out in Connecticut that end up with their own Marla Maples.

    Heck, Ms. Maples herself. IIRC she was not in the Donald’s class at Wharton now was she?

    If women wanted to bag a nerd, it would be like Brian Bosworth shooting carp in a barrel with a .357 magnum revolver. Just go to a programming meet up, or Dungeons and Dragons expo, or some corporate mixer, or some technical presentation. Size up the marks and pick out the juiciest one, ask for “technical help” etc. There are also well-known hangouts for wealthy coders in Silicon Valley and SF.

    Conclusion: Hollywood actors, Big Shot financial people, all have enough testosterone dominance to make gold-digging by various women a going proposition. Donald Trump had a couple at least while Mark Zuckerberg arguably more powerful than Trump as a private non-candidate citizen, had none. As did Bill Gates before him, see also Brin and Page, etc.

    Heck where are all the aging Hollywood actress types looking for financial security? They have money and looks and allure enough to land a nerd. They’re not looking. It must be that male nerdiness without dominant a-hole testosterone like in an a-hole hedge fund manager (by definition an A-hole) is just too repellent.

    Women don’t value money over everything. Certainly not enough to put up with a nerd.

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    If women wanted to bag a nerd, it would be like Brian Bosworth shooting carp in a barrel with a .357 magnum revolver. Just go to a programming meet up, or Dungeons and Dragons expo, or some corporate mixer, or some technical presentation. Size up the marks and pick out the juiciest one, ask for “technical help” etc. There are also well-known hangouts for wealthy coders in Silicon Valley and SF.
     
    The nerds may be too dumb to understand the situation though. As a kid I thought girls who liked computer games actually liked computer games. It was only many years later that I understood: they actually liked certain boys who liked computer games.
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  82. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Look at the gold-diggers not digging: where are all the adventuresses in Silicon Valley? Heck not even Zuck’s Master of the Universe evil comic book villain schtick could net him a Stormy Daniels. Unlike Trump who has had a succession of gold-diggers doing quite well.
     
    Are you kidding?? IMO, if you were some MOTU mega-billionaire who looked like Hugh Jackman I don’t think you could do much better than Priscilla Chan, a tan and stacked China girl w/ an M.D. who’s into family.
    https://youtu.be/E_8IXx4tsus

    Chan is charitably, “personable” and seems to be the only woman Zuck ever had sex with. She clearly avoids touching him as much as possible in public to the general amusement of the internet.

    Rupert Murdoch had Wendi Deng, a zillion years his junior. Zuck has a woman who obviously avoids any contact not mandated in her NDA contract, and is not very pretty nor apparently very bright beyond the SJW platitudes she utters in respectable society.

    You would expect your standard issue supervillain to have at least an actress level girlfriend/wife. Zuck can’t even manage the Girl Next Door.

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    You would expect your standard issue supervillain to have at least an actress level girlfriend/wife. Zuck can’t even manage the Girl Next Door.

    Yeah, I know. The guy had a hotornot clone called FaceMash, even if he couldn't personally work out what an attractive woman looked like, you'd think he might at least algorithmically work it out, crowd-source a solution. But no. Like Jeb, he wifes the first technically female person who comes along.
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  83. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Whiskey, it's been twelve freaking years, man. Twelve years since you started this shtick as just another cantankerous commentator at The Belmont Club. The only thing that's changed in all that time is that you've become a worse writer and even more of a loon. Stop pickling your brain with your ethanoic offerings, or at least stop poisoning the blogosphere with them.

    The nom de internet is obviously after the Whiskey Rebellion. Duh. Nor do I care about you. Why should I? Do you put money in my pocket? Pay my bills? Comfort me in my sorrows? I am who I am, I have no office, ambitions, means, desires, goals for public life or influence or power or fame. I am just a dude expressing my views and nature on the internet. That I have not changed in 12 years ought to tell you something.

    And if anything I’ve been confirmed over and over again in the diagnosis of the poz and the general approach to fighting it. Nazi Larping has failed completely, so has Libertardianism and so especially has Traditional Christianity as it generally just devolves into cuck-ism. Regardless, Church attendance and religious feeling is down among Whites in a massive way all across the West and only Latin Americans, Africans, and Muslims retain religious feelings and exhibit that behavior (by regular attendance at worship).

    Look at McCain. He’s a total example of the hereditary managerial state, kept in power by a dynastic minor player (the beer distributor) and appeals to women via virtue signaling and status mongering.

    And what exactly is his legacy? Beyond his immediate family who will mourn him? Care about his passing? Uphold his policies (he had none). Continue his politics? (He had an heiress wife who he ditched his first for, who was faithful to him, funding his lifestyle — but no national movement or policies that found wide appeal beyond a few NYT “strange new respect” articles when he trashed Trump and Trump’s voters).

    His last days are spent trashing Trump and Palin, for what? One more round of applause from the NYT? Having Michelle Obama or Oprah at his funeral (Barry won’t go — golfing!) Here is the elite writ large — a legacy of nothing.

    As an aside, “Republican” states in Europe such as Venice, Florence, Genoa, Pisa, Switzerland, the Netherlands, etc. tended to suppress women’s scope of life and entering into guilds and professions, while Monarchies and Aristocracies tended to increase them. Now, why was that?

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    Well? Why was it? Connect the dots for us, please. (I genuinely want to know your thoughts.)
    , @Mr. Anon

    And what exactly is his legacy? Beyond his immediate family who will mourn him? Care about his passing? Uphold his policies (he had none). Continue his politics? (He had an heiress wife who he ditched his first for, who was faithful to him, funding his lifestyle — but no national movement or policies that found wide appeal beyond a few NYT “strange new respect” articles when he trashed Trump and Trump’s voters).
     
    His work in life consisted mostly of attempting to implement policies that YOU have consistently advocated here: empowering the warfare state and engaging in endless wars that - oddly - do nothing to further the interests of the United States or its actual citizens. McCain could well have been called "The Whiskey Candidate".

    The nom de internet is obviously after the Whiskey Rebellion.
     
    No, it is not obvious, given that your previous moniker was "Evil Neocon". And given that you marked yourself out as a transparent fraud, claiming to be "Scots-Irish" without even understanding what that term means, and always being strangely interested in that "unsinkable aircraft carrier" Israel, rather than Scotland, the border-region, Northern Ireland - any of the places where actual Scots-Irish people came from - or any of the places they went to.

    Whatever it is that your sad, pathetic act was meant to accomplish, it has not accomplished it.
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  84. d says:

    the war hero

    “The Keating Five were five United States Senators, including current presidential candidate John McCain, who were accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, John McCain (R-AZ), Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board.
    After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings, while John Glenn and John McCain had been only minimally involved. The Committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four for “questionable conduct.”
    All five of the senators involved served out their terms, but only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election (and were subsequently re-elected).”

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  85. Whiskey says: • Website

    Final comment, upon McCain’s imminent death (having experienced much of it myself I do not take joy in it) what is his military and foreign policy legacy?

    There is none. Trumpism, be aggressive and try and get a deal, Putin style, is clearly the defacto policy of the Republican Party. The great and good managerial elites all subscribe to the idea that some sort of ineffective bombing campaign plus special forces is the magic elixir to fix troublesome areas like Sudan, Yemen, Mali, Syria etc. even though that policy has failed consistently since its lone success with the Clintons in Yugoslavia/Serbia in the late 1990s.

    With Saddam it failed, its failed spectacularly in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mali, Sudan, South Sudan, and even worse the elites like McCain continue to believe in it, and that it can be sustained indefinitely by the US as it turns into Mexico Norte with Africans and Muslims. Get Mexico’s population, get Mexico’s military force projection. This is reality and yet none of the McCain types much less himself can conceive of this. Both the utter failure of the policies save the lone win in 1998 with a Yeltsin led Russia, and the inability to sustain the policy with men, money, and equipment.

    And who are McCain’s successors? All the people like him are old, with no proteges able to step in: Lindsey Graham, old. Lieberman, old and out of politics. Dianne Feinstein, old, older than McCain and likely defeated in the primary and gone. Chucky Schemer? Old and likely gone in a few years replaced by someone who looks and acts like either Cynthia Nixon from Sex and the City or Keith Ellison X. Jeb Bush was the closest we got to a McCain successor and he’s … a minor footnote and out of politics.

    None of the politics (no new McCains stepping up, he failed in his dynastic duties there) or policies (who is up for invading Syria!) have any support and no political figures have emerged besides Trump arguing for doing what the US is good at: obliterating completely Third World Conventional Militaries and avoiding things we are very bad at: controlling and providing security to said Third World peoples who are all ultra violent and hate each other as much as their neighbors.

    What Donald Trump has done, is completely replace both McCain and Obama (who basically just continued the Clinton bomb-and-spec-ops strategy) with something new: threaten convincingly and take a deal if its mostly good.

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    His biggest foreign policy accomplishment was his role in normalising relations with Vietnam along with Kerry.
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  86. LondonBob says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    DI would recommend reading the below which I found after reading Unz's Tokyo Rose article. Seemed plausible to me. Unz did not appear to consider the possibility that the sources he was using were mad at McCain for his role in normalising relations with Vietnam. Or his father for his involvement in the USS Liberty incident. Thanks for posting the Jeff Gates article but he doesn't seem an objective source given the Veterans Today site he posted the article reckons America is occupied by a Zionist criminal class.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jan/17/mccains-pow-record-attacked/

    Gates has an impeccable background, where else could he get published though?

    https://www.wrmea.org/2008-november/books-guilt-by-association-how-deception-and-self-deceit-took-america-to-war.html

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  87. Came across an interesting fact regarding McCain’s replacement: The Arizona governor Republican Doug Ducey is empowered to appoint a replacement for McCain. The law states that he has to be of the same party as the man he is replacing. If McCain leaves office before May 30 Arizona law requires there be a special election this year. If he leaves office after May 30th the appointee stays in office until 2020 when a special election will be held for the last two years of McCain’s term, which ends in 2022.

    McCain could switch parties and thereby force Ducey to appoint a Democrat to replace him.
    (unlikely – it might spoil the honors McCain expects upon his death. Apparently McCain believes he merits mourning pomps equivalent to an ex President) Stories have appeared suggesting McCain wants his wife Cindy appointed to replace him.

    Since Jeff Flake is leaving the Senate having both Arizona Senate seats up for election this year could harm Republican chances to hold the Senate in a state that Trump won narrowly 48% to 46% and where there is no strong Republican frontrunner to replace Flake.

    Sheriff Arpaio running for Flake’s seat further complicates matters. He is considered a longshot and he’s almost 86 years old. If Arpaio somehow manages to win the Republican primary, the left’s white hot hatred of him might mobilize fence sitters to come out to vote agin him also hurting whoever’s appointed if he has to run in the same election.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/05/03/john-mccain-ailing-election-officials-lawmakers-mull-replacement-rules/570966002/

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  88. @J.Ross
    Have you read Unz's piece on McCain?

    Yes, see my reply to LondonBob.

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  89. @Whiskey
    Final comment, upon McCain's imminent death (having experienced much of it myself I do not take joy in it) what is his military and foreign policy legacy?

    There is none. Trumpism, be aggressive and try and get a deal, Putin style, is clearly the defacto policy of the Republican Party. The great and good managerial elites all subscribe to the idea that some sort of ineffective bombing campaign plus special forces is the magic elixir to fix troublesome areas like Sudan, Yemen, Mali, Syria etc. even though that policy has failed consistently since its lone success with the Clintons in Yugoslavia/Serbia in the late 1990s.

    With Saddam it failed, its failed spectacularly in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mali, Sudan, South Sudan, and even worse the elites like McCain continue to believe in it, and that it can be sustained indefinitely by the US as it turns into Mexico Norte with Africans and Muslims. Get Mexico's population, get Mexico's military force projection. This is reality and yet none of the McCain types much less himself can conceive of this. Both the utter failure of the policies save the lone win in 1998 with a Yeltsin led Russia, and the inability to sustain the policy with men, money, and equipment.

    And who are McCain's successors? All the people like him are old, with no proteges able to step in: Lindsey Graham, old. Lieberman, old and out of politics. Dianne Feinstein, old, older than McCain and likely defeated in the primary and gone. Chucky Schemer? Old and likely gone in a few years replaced by someone who looks and acts like either Cynthia Nixon from Sex and the City or Keith Ellison X. Jeb Bush was the closest we got to a McCain successor and he's ... a minor footnote and out of politics.

    None of the politics (no new McCains stepping up, he failed in his dynastic duties there) or policies (who is up for invading Syria!) have any support and no political figures have emerged besides Trump arguing for doing what the US is good at: obliterating completely Third World Conventional Militaries and avoiding things we are very bad at: controlling and providing security to said Third World peoples who are all ultra violent and hate each other as much as their neighbors.

    What Donald Trump has done, is completely replace both McCain and Obama (who basically just continued the Clinton bomb-and-spec-ops strategy) with something new: threaten convincingly and take a deal if its mostly good.

    His biggest foreign policy accomplishment was his role in normalising relations with Vietnam along with Kerry.

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    Seems like a reasonable thing to be proud of.
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  90. @Ali Choudhury
    His biggest foreign policy accomplishment was his role in normalising relations with Vietnam along with Kerry.

    Seems like a reasonable thing to be proud of.

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    Good for the Vietnamese, yes, emulating China mark 2 regarding export opportunities to the US economy.
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  91. Anonymous[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Seems like a reasonable thing to be proud of.

    Good for the Vietnamese, yes, emulating China mark 2 regarding export opportunities to the US economy.

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  92. Art Deco says:
    @Bugg
    McCain dumped the wife who stood by him during his captivity to go with Cindy, daughter of the local Bud distributor. He can thank his father in law for his comfort; he has nothing to do with it. No wonder he is good friends with John Kerry; 2 sides of the same marry well the 2nd time coin. Quite deserving that the MSM that made him a DC player dumped him like a hot potato when The One appeared. And as a not very bright guy with no real governing beliefs nor philosophy beyond it was good for him to be on the government tit, he had no way to respond.Since the day Reagan went home until Trump showed up, the GOP was a joke.

    McCain dumped the wife who stood by him during his captivity to go with Cindy, daughter of the local Bud distributor. He can thank his father in law for his comfort; he has nothing to do with it.

    He’s been a federal employee since 1958. He’d have a satisfactory pension and Social Security if he’d never met Cindy Hensley. His father-in-law financed his opening in politics, but it’s not as if there aren’t other options for retired military.

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  93. Art Deco says:
    @e
    Oh, Duch...I mean, Duck, McCain has never been committed to immigrants. He's very much committed to those who run the world and pay him to take their positions. Silly you.

    He’s very much committed to those who run the world and pay him to take their positions.

    He could have left Congress 15 years ago and had an agreeable retirement. He could have made satisfactory coin as a lobbyist. His wife’s a centimillionaire. He doesn’t need the money. Understanding why McCain takes the positions he does is going to require understanding something about his inner dialogue.

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  94. @Whiskey
    The nom de internet is obviously after the Whiskey Rebellion. Duh. Nor do I care about you. Why should I? Do you put money in my pocket? Pay my bills? Comfort me in my sorrows? I am who I am, I have no office, ambitions, means, desires, goals for public life or influence or power or fame. I am just a dude expressing my views and nature on the internet. That I have not changed in 12 years ought to tell you something.

    And if anything I've been confirmed over and over again in the diagnosis of the poz and the general approach to fighting it. Nazi Larping has failed completely, so has Libertardianism and so especially has Traditional Christianity as it generally just devolves into cuck-ism. Regardless, Church attendance and religious feeling is down among Whites in a massive way all across the West and only Latin Americans, Africans, and Muslims retain religious feelings and exhibit that behavior (by regular attendance at worship).

    Look at McCain. He's a total example of the hereditary managerial state, kept in power by a dynastic minor player (the beer distributor) and appeals to women via virtue signaling and status mongering.

    And what exactly is his legacy? Beyond his immediate family who will mourn him? Care about his passing? Uphold his policies (he had none). Continue his politics? (He had an heiress wife who he ditched his first for, who was faithful to him, funding his lifestyle -- but no national movement or policies that found wide appeal beyond a few NYT "strange new respect" articles when he trashed Trump and Trump's voters).

    His last days are spent trashing Trump and Palin, for what? One more round of applause from the NYT? Having Michelle Obama or Oprah at his funeral (Barry won't go -- golfing!) Here is the elite writ large -- a legacy of nothing.

    As an aside, "Republican" states in Europe such as Venice, Florence, Genoa, Pisa, Switzerland, the Netherlands, etc. tended to suppress women's scope of life and entering into guilds and professions, while Monarchies and Aristocracies tended to increase them. Now, why was that?

    Well? Why was it? Connect the dots for us, please. (I genuinely want to know your thoughts.)

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  95. @Anonymous

    Look at the gold-diggers not digging: where are all the adventuresses in Silicon Valley? Heck not even Zuck’s Master of the Universe evil comic book villain schtick could net him a Stormy Daniels. Unlike Trump who has had a succession of gold-diggers doing quite well.
     
    Are you kidding?? IMO, if you were some MOTU mega-billionaire who looked like Hugh Jackman I don’t think you could do much better than Priscilla Chan, a tan and stacked China girl w/ an M.D. who’s into family.
    https://youtu.be/E_8IXx4tsus

    I don’t think you could do much better than Priscilla Chan, a tan and stacked China girl w/ an M.D. who’s into family.

    This word: I do not think it means what you think it means….

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  96. Anonym says:
    @Whiskey
    Chan is charitably, "personable" and seems to be the only woman Zuck ever had sex with. She clearly avoids touching him as much as possible in public to the general amusement of the internet.

    Rupert Murdoch had Wendi Deng, a zillion years his junior. Zuck has a woman who obviously avoids any contact not mandated in her NDA contract, and is not very pretty nor apparently very bright beyond the SJW platitudes she utters in respectable society.

    You would expect your standard issue supervillain to have at least an actress level girlfriend/wife. Zuck can't even manage the Girl Next Door.

    You would expect your standard issue supervillain to have at least an actress level girlfriend/wife. Zuck can’t even manage the Girl Next Door.

    Yeah, I know. The guy had a hotornot clone called FaceMash, even if he couldn’t personally work out what an attractive woman looked like, you’d think he might at least algorithmically work it out, crowd-source a solution. But no. Like Jeb, he wifes the first technically female person who comes along.

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  97. Anonym says:
    @Svigor
    As for McCain, I'm torn between the desire to not to revel in anyone's imminent death, and the desire to revel in the imminent death of a particularly loathsome and repugnant man.

    As for McCain, I’m torn between the desire to not to revel in anyone’s imminent death, and the desire to revel in the imminent death of a particularly loathsome and repugnant man.

    What, are you worried that people will think you are in the same category as the Commies who celebrated when Thatcher died? Now think, how convinced were you by the kids TV shows that featured some treacly sermonizing about “If we did that, it would make us just as bad as the villain!”? Not much, right? But, to them, we are the villains. Ergo, by doing as they do we become a little more good, hence the behavior is actually justified.

    In any case, such displays are indeed tacky. Just have a quiet beer when the time comes.

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  98. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    I'm not buying that. Hollywood is darn expensive and NYC even more so. And it does not lack for Gold Diggers.

    There is not much opportunity for women with pretty looks but not much brains to work at Goldman Sachs, yet there are plenty of mover and shaker types at Goldman and other hedge funds even out in Connecticut that end up with their own Marla Maples.

    Heck, Ms. Maples herself. IIRC she was not in the Donald's class at Wharton now was she?

    If women wanted to bag a nerd, it would be like Brian Bosworth shooting carp in a barrel with a .357 magnum revolver. Just go to a programming meet up, or Dungeons and Dragons expo, or some corporate mixer, or some technical presentation. Size up the marks and pick out the juiciest one, ask for "technical help" etc. There are also well-known hangouts for wealthy coders in Silicon Valley and SF.

    Conclusion: Hollywood actors, Big Shot financial people, all have enough testosterone dominance to make gold-digging by various women a going proposition. Donald Trump had a couple at least while Mark Zuckerberg arguably more powerful than Trump as a private non-candidate citizen, had none. As did Bill Gates before him, see also Brin and Page, etc.

    Heck where are all the aging Hollywood actress types looking for financial security? They have money and looks and allure enough to land a nerd. They're not looking. It must be that male nerdiness without dominant a-hole testosterone like in an a-hole hedge fund manager (by definition an A-hole) is just too repellent.

    Women don't value money over everything. Certainly not enough to put up with a nerd.

    If women wanted to bag a nerd, it would be like Brian Bosworth shooting carp in a barrel with a .357 magnum revolver. Just go to a programming meet up, or Dungeons and Dragons expo, or some corporate mixer, or some technical presentation. Size up the marks and pick out the juiciest one, ask for “technical help” etc. There are also well-known hangouts for wealthy coders in Silicon Valley and SF.

    The nerds may be too dumb to understand the situation though. As a kid I thought girls who liked computer games actually liked computer games. It was only many years later that I understood: they actually liked certain boys who liked computer games.

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  99. @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/peterbrimelow/status/993170122528485377

    Still a back stabbbing POS sucking up to the MSM on his death bed.

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  100. Truth says:
    @middle aged vet . . .
    When Halsey and McCain, after 40 brutally difficult (especially brutally difficult for older guys like themselves, the younger Navy personnel at least had youth and health on their side) months at war with a country that, people do not usually remember this, was a country that was actually almost our equal at warmaking (not quite our equal, but close) - well, when Halsey and McCain were faced with a typhoon, Halsey and McCain were criticized for sympathizing more with the typhoon than they should have. I do not sympathize with their critics, but life is hard to understand,

    If anyone told me I had a moment of rooting for a hawk to kill my dog I would say that person was a hateful bastard.

    That being said, I do not believe for a second that John McCain rooted for the hawk. That was just bad poetry of some kind or other.

    That being said, I do not believe for a second that John McCain rooted for the hawk. That was just bad poetry of some kind or other.

    It was satire, Bro.

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  101. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonym
    Ben Garrison's McCain comic was one of his best IMO.

    https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/mccain-tumor-removal_orig.jpg

    Uncle Sam has, himself, long been a warmonger – his caricature being trotted out to convince young men to gamble their lives in somebody else’s fight.

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  102. Mr. Anon says:
    @Whiskey
    The nom de internet is obviously after the Whiskey Rebellion. Duh. Nor do I care about you. Why should I? Do you put money in my pocket? Pay my bills? Comfort me in my sorrows? I am who I am, I have no office, ambitions, means, desires, goals for public life or influence or power or fame. I am just a dude expressing my views and nature on the internet. That I have not changed in 12 years ought to tell you something.

    And if anything I've been confirmed over and over again in the diagnosis of the poz and the general approach to fighting it. Nazi Larping has failed completely, so has Libertardianism and so especially has Traditional Christianity as it generally just devolves into cuck-ism. Regardless, Church attendance and religious feeling is down among Whites in a massive way all across the West and only Latin Americans, Africans, and Muslims retain religious feelings and exhibit that behavior (by regular attendance at worship).

    Look at McCain. He's a total example of the hereditary managerial state, kept in power by a dynastic minor player (the beer distributor) and appeals to women via virtue signaling and status mongering.

    And what exactly is his legacy? Beyond his immediate family who will mourn him? Care about his passing? Uphold his policies (he had none). Continue his politics? (He had an heiress wife who he ditched his first for, who was faithful to him, funding his lifestyle -- but no national movement or policies that found wide appeal beyond a few NYT "strange new respect" articles when he trashed Trump and Trump's voters).

    His last days are spent trashing Trump and Palin, for what? One more round of applause from the NYT? Having Michelle Obama or Oprah at his funeral (Barry won't go -- golfing!) Here is the elite writ large -- a legacy of nothing.

    As an aside, "Republican" states in Europe such as Venice, Florence, Genoa, Pisa, Switzerland, the Netherlands, etc. tended to suppress women's scope of life and entering into guilds and professions, while Monarchies and Aristocracies tended to increase them. Now, why was that?

    And what exactly is his legacy? Beyond his immediate family who will mourn him? Care about his passing? Uphold his policies (he had none). Continue his politics? (He had an heiress wife who he ditched his first for, who was faithful to him, funding his lifestyle — but no national movement or policies that found wide appeal beyond a few NYT “strange new respect” articles when he trashed Trump and Trump’s voters).

    His work in life consisted mostly of attempting to implement policies that YOU have consistently advocated here: empowering the warfare state and engaging in endless wars that – oddly – do nothing to further the interests of the United States or its actual citizens. McCain could well have been called “The Whiskey Candidate”.

    The nom de internet is obviously after the Whiskey Rebellion.

    No, it is not obvious, given that your previous moniker was “Evil Neocon”. And given that you marked yourself out as a transparent fraud, claiming to be “Scots-Irish” without even understanding what that term means, and always being strangely interested in that “unsinkable aircraft carrier” Israel, rather than Scotland, the border-region, Northern Ireland – any of the places where actual Scots-Irish people came from – or any of the places they went to.

    Whatever it is that your sad, pathetic act was meant to accomplish, it has not accomplished it.

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