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From iSteve commenter Achmed E. Newman:

“Let me ask you something. We Italians got The Sopranos. I mean, the blacks have their commercials to watch in which they are bright upstanding citizens; the Jews, they’ve got the news and the deep agenda behind every sitcom; the feminists, they’ve got the comedy specials now; the homos have got Home and Garden TV, 1/2 of Myth Busters, and Sponge Bob Squarepants; and the Hispanics, they’ve got Chico and the Man. What do you regular white Americans have to watch on TV?”

“We’ve got the whole clown show known as The United States of America.”

Achmed is of course riffing on the mobster and CIA man scene in Robert De Niro’s The Good Shepherd. For the original video, language definitely NSFW, see here.

 
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  1. Lot says:

    “What do you regular white Americans have to watch on TV?”

    Prestige cable TV, often set in 95%+ white historical settings, plus reality shows set in rural areas like Ice Road Truckers, a favorite of some of my rural relations and now in its 11th season.

  2. I had a direct ancestor on the Mayflower….

    …you know the rest…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  3. Ha! I knew you’d like that comment, Steve, Thanks, and especially for sprucing it up to make it sound like the movie. The reason it didn’t quite, is that I have not actually SEEN The Good Shepherd, because they don’t have it at the library. (I’d done a search the 2nd time I read these lines and commentary on a post of yours.)

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @guest
    , @bored identity
  4. Perry Mason (1957-66) reruns on MeTV – guaranteed 99. 44/100% White!

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @Desiderius
  5. Lot says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Arghhhhh!

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Anon
  6. indocon says:

    Steve, tomorrow is the big day, congressional hearings on reparations and all our favorite “the genius” is going to be one of the experts called to the hearing. I think you should plan on live blogging that hearing.

    BTW, as lame as Mitch McConnell’s statement on reparations was today, it’s still better than nothing, certainly got those tin flakes on CNN all riled up. Just imagine if we had a real opposition party.

  7. I was once forced to attend a seminar called Undoing Racism for two whole workdays. As part of this, we had to go around the room and say what the best part of being white is. I replied that mainstream entertainment was geared toward me.

  8. Twinkie says:

    “Let me ask you something. We Italians got The Sopranos. I mean, the blacks have their commercials to watch in which they are bright upstanding citizens; the Jews, they’ve got the news and the deep agenda behind every sitcom; the feminists, they’ve got the comedy specials now; the homos have got Home and Garden TV, 1/2 of Myth Busters, and Sponge Bob Squarepants; and the Hispanics, they’ve got Chico and the Man. What do you regular white Americans have to watch on TV?”

    What’s for Asians?

  9. guest says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good Shepherd is a decent movie, not great. The above exchange is a singularly great moment.

    It’s loosely about the life of James Angleton with plenty of history to chew upon.

  10. guest says:

    Heritage America is heavily represented in series about its demise, for instance Mad Men.

    If everyone gets sick of them, Whitey can tag along behind other peoples. Much like a shadow, if you will…

    http://www.trbimg.com/img-56f45f3c/turbine/ct-rosenthal-ken-howard-white-shadow-0325-biz-20160324

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  11. syonredux says:

    “Let me ask you something. We Italians got The Sopranos. I mean, the blacks have their commercials to watch in which they are bright upstanding citizens; the Jews, they’ve got the news and the deep agenda behind every sitcom; the feminists, they’ve got the comedy specials now; the homos have got Home and Garden TV, 1/2 of Myth Busters, and Sponge Bob Squarepants; and the Hispanics, they’ve got Chico and the Man. What do you regular white Americans have to watch on TV?”

    Ken Burns documentaries?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anonymous
  12. @guest

    Right. The big problem with The Good Shepherd is that James Jesus Angleton was, for good or bad, an extremely interesting individual, but De Niro and screenwriter Eric Roth decided to make his (fictionalized) life story into a parable about how WASPs are boring.

  13. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Making a fictional version of James Jesus Angleton boring is some kind of achievement…….The guy’s life was full of interest: upper-class Mexican mother and Anglo father (they met when his father was serving in Pershing’s Mexican Expedition)….youth spent in inter-war Milan…attended Malvern College (CS Lewis’ school) and Yale…while at Yale , edited a literary magazine and became an epistolary friend to TS Eliot, ee cummings, and Ezra Pound….massively impressed by Empson’s Seven Types of Ambiguity , which he later viewed as central to the craft of intelligence (he used to send out copies to fellow spies) …..chief of the Italian section of the OSS….helped fix the ’48 Italian elections… pals with Kim Philby….the Nosenko affair…… the black comedy surrounding Mary Pinchot Meyer’s death*….

    *

    The Bizarre Tale of Ben Bradlee, JFK, and the Master Spy
    When the editor’s gorgeous sister-in-law was killed, Bradlee rushed to find her diary. But why was James Jesus Angleton looking for it too?

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bizarre-tale-of-ben-bradlee-jfk-and-the-master-spy

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @LondonBob
  14. @The Wild Geese Howard

    I had a direct ancestor on the Mayflower….

    Who can forget them?

  15. @Steve Sailer

    James Jesus Angleton

    Danny Kaye was great in that role, even if he did mispronounce “Copenhagen”.

  16. LondonBob says:
    @syonredux

    Thanks that reminds me I should read Jefferson Morley’s new book on Angleton.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  17. guest says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I thought I once heard the Joe Pesci scene was written by Michael Mann, who had worked with Roth on the Insider. I’m not certain, but that might explain its superiority.

    Pesci, by the way, was supposed to be playing a fictionalized Sam Giancana. There are probably more interesting stories he could be a part of than the Bay of Pigs.

  18. “What do you regular white Americans have to watch on TV?”

    HGTV?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  19. Well, we had Lonesome Dove that one time. At least there was that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaRae8UNj7s

    • Replies: @syonredux
  20. Whoa, one of the Mythbusters is gay? I haven’t heard that one before. I assume most people would guess its Adam. Regardless I’ve never heard rumors about either one, and I believe both are married to women.

  21. SFG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It raises the whole question of ‘what’s paranoid’ in the weird hall-of-mirrors world of counterespionage, where they really are out to get you. Apparently he ruined a whole bunch of innocent spies’ careers with his obsession with moles. Then he retired and…30 years later they found a whole bunch of moles his successor had let in. So, was he nuts, or smart, or nuts in exactly the right way for his job?

  22. anon[904] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG

    Well, “He unwittingly shared intelligence secrets with Soviet spy Kim Philby, a member of the notorious Cambridge spy ring. He launched mass surveillance by opening the mail of hundreds of thousands of Americans. He abetted a scheme to aid Israel’s own nuclear efforts, disregarding U.S. security. He committed perjury and obstructed the JFK assassination investigation. He oversaw a massive spying operation on the antiwar and black nationalist movements and he initiated an obsessive search for communist moles that nearly destroyed the Agency.” –The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton by Jefferson Morley

    His “nuttiness” was just cover for the fact that he was the original WASP Yale empty suit dumbass, starting a tradition that lives on today.I can’t recall, but he likely was the one bankrolling WFB so he destroyed the conservative movement in the US. Oh, and as for “moles,” he was a lifelong mole for Israel; he has TWO memorials there.

    But otherwise, yeah, did a great job.

  23. @Achmed E. Newman

    All this negativity for nothing, Achmed ;

    at least you still have your clock.

  24. Corvinus says:

    “What do you regular white Americans have to watch on TV?”

    Sportsball. Breaking Bad reruns. Ted Nugent’s “The Spirit Of The Wild”. Game Of Thrones. And whatever the hell we want to watch in between!

    “We’ve got the whole clown show known as The United States of America.”

    That would be your own funny business, Achmed.

  25. Marcus says:
    @guest

    one of the few good parts, it should’ve been much more interesting

  26. @Ancient Briton

    It’s sad/funny to watch the very beginnings of the poz start creeping in as the series goes on. Definitely was must see for this cord-cut household for a couple years there.

    Barney Miller is still the King.

  27. the Hispanics, they’ve got Chico and the Man.

    Hidden gem of the whole post.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  28. @The Alarmist

    PBS Create is secretly white supremacist.

  29. @Steve Sailer

    Asking a Zinn-sick soul like Damon to grok Angleton is asking (way) too much.

  30. Romanian says: • Website
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I think they have new Mythbusters on the show, replacing the initial cast.

    On-topic

    I love Forged in Fire and the demographics are pretty obvious to everybody. It is one of the few game/reality shows on the History Channel that I enjoy.

    PS They do try a bit too hard with their selection of end-game challenge weapons, with all sorts of entries. Assegai I can understand, but some of the weapons looked downright stupid.

  31. syonredux says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Damn good stuff. In particular, Tommy Lee Jones was just outstanding as Woodrow F. Call.

  32. e says:
    @Desiderius

    Re: the Mason series, you said, “It’s sad/funny to watch the very beginnings of the poz start creeping in as the series goes on. Definitely was must see for this cord-cut household for a couple years there.”

    I don’t understand your comment. Can you fill me in?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  33. @LondonBob

    Morley isn’t worth treading but Epstein is:

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  34. @SFG

    On the whole, Angleton was right. See my comment to LondonBob above.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  35. @Twinkie

    I about put something in, but it was getting too long. For .Indians – Big Bang Theory cause that one guy. The Chinese have got a number of their own channels. I don’t think they feel any need to fit in.

    Either way, most of the Orientals should not be in front of the TV anyway. Get back to your Khan Academy, kids, we’re running out of daylight … and twilight, and nightime.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
  36. @Hapalong Cassidy

    No, Mr. Cassidy, and I sure hope the guy can take a joke, but my point, discussed here, is that if you are not in the Special Forces, or a Frenchman, better yet, in the French Foreign Legion, then when you wear that beret, what am I supposed to think?

    I did not mean to spread a rumor, but that beret itself is gay. That was not my main beef with the mythbusters. The show, last I’ve seen it, was fun, but those guys gave the impression that what they were doing is engineering of sorts, when it’s not.

    No, probably most who watch it, unless it is JUST because the guy wears a beret, is something for straight guys, almost solely. It is perfectly OK for straight guys to watch Home and Garden TV, too, Alarmist, so long as it’s not just to pick paint colors.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  37. syonredux says:
    @anon

    His “nuttiness” was just cover for the fact that he was the original WASP Yale

    Get WOKE, bigot. His mother was Mexican, making him a persecuted Latinx Man of Color.

  38. syonredux says:
    @SFG

    Then he retired and…30 years later they found a whole bunch of moles his successor had let in. So, was he nuts, or smart, or nuts in exactly the right way for his job?

    Yeah, a number of people have defended Angleton’s “paranoia” by pointing out that the CIA suffered suffered serious penetration by the Soviets after he left….

    Perhaps “perfect paranoia is perfect awareness”….

  39. @Twinkie

    What’s for Asians?

    Do Asians watch TV? Not a rhetorical question.

    • Replies: @Anon
  40. syonredux says:

    Speaking of spies, does anyone have any thoughts as to why the spy genre never really caught on in America? Pretty much all of the great Anglophone spy writers are Brits (John le Carré , Len Deighton, Eric Ambler, etc). By comparison, the list for US writers in the genre seems both thin and second rate (Ludlum? Robert Littell ?). What makes this all the odder is how the US has produced so many great crime/detective/mystery writers: Poe, Melville Davisson Post (the Uncle Abner stories are great), Rex Stout, Hammett, Chandler*, S.S. Van Dine, John D MacDonald, Robert B Parker, Joseph Wambaugh, etc, etc,

    *Yeah, I’m counting him as an American. He was born here, lived the overwhelming bulk of his life here, and was chiefly influenced by American writers (Hammett, Hemingway, Henry James)

  41. Great riff and scene. The only story that’s never told by Hollywood is of those immigrants who didn’t want their own thing, and strove to reject every hint of a “thing” in themselves so that they could be American.

    I think those people are derided as “white people” these days.

  42. @Desiderius

    “Barney Miller is still the King.”

    Jack Soo had an amazing face.

  43. @PV van der Byl

    Circumstantial evidence — his close and probably intimate relationship with Kim Philby, his mole hunt that led to exposure of nearly every Russian spy the CIA’s Soviet Division was running — points to James Jesus Angleton being a Soviet mole within CIA. Angleton was the primary liaison to Mossad. He ran operational security for many of the MKULTRA units in the 50s and 60s. Angleton was the locus for all the darkness weaved by the postwar national security state. Truly a deep and fascinating character.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  44. @syonredux

    Agree with you on the Anglo strength in spy fiction, and the American flair for detective and crime fiction. The United States did not have a centralized intelligence system until the National Security Act of 1947. The British had a long-standing intelligence capability beginning with Francis Walsingham, the spy chief for Queen Elizabeth I. The necessity of espionage for the maintenance of empire has long been lodged in the collective consciousness of the English people. Perhaps this is what led to the English enthusiasm for the spy tale.

  45. @PV van der Byl

    Hey, PV, thanks. That’s the same guy that wrote a great on-line short-book-length expose on the entire diamond industry/scam way back in the late ’70’s. If this is anything near as good, it’ll be well worth getting. Peak Stupidity review/summary of the diamond scam and Ed Epstein’s book – Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.

  46. So, Robert De Niro directed The Good Shephard (2006), and it seems pretty likely that he just ripped off that scene from a similar dialogue in Casino (1995) in which L. Q. Jones was telling him, basically, the same thing.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  47. @guest

    Heritage America is heavily represented in series about its demise, for instance Mad Men.

    You could add 2-1/2 men to that. All In The Family, Mary Tyler Moore got the women working, Fast Times taught the girls to be slutty and the boys to be stoned. All portrayed of course, are goyish. There are no depravities among the Chosen ones.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  48. @guest

    Would that the punchline of that great scene were still true.

    The movie goes all PC/SJW at the end and portrays the Angleton character as a heartless villain, when he arranges to have his son’s murderous, Communist spy, African girlfriend tossed out of a plane for her spying before the son’s marriage to her can ruin the son’s career. I cheered quietly to myself when she took the dive because a more vociferous response in a People’s Republic of Cambridge theater might have caused a riot.

  49. @Desiderius

    It was much more obvious in the later Ironside series.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  50. Olorin says:
    @guest

    The only great moment.

    The Damon character is there for one reason only: to depict founding stock white men in the most negative possible light (bland, boring, vanilla, and manipulative).

    But that is to be expected when you have a Jewish screenwriter and a race-mixing Italian director telling the story of the OSS/CIA.

    The fact that they could turn Angleton’s life into something that whiffs of estrogen and defeat was disappointing, but I didn’t go into it expecting all that much. Movies are propaganda, and their assembly lines have particular ownership.

    • Replies: @guest
  51. Olorin says:
    @anon

    Angleton was half Mexican.

  52. @anon

    Well said.
    Always remember that it was that generation that ruined their country for their children.

  53. @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, Achmed, it musn’t be forgotten that Myth Busters was the first of the genre’ to have a dopey (good looking, not that that matters) girl as part of the production, but not really DOING anything, just tagging along because, well, girls are smart TOO and it had to be acknowledged somewhere! Window dressing. Most of science has to include a woman’s name anymore, even though they’re in at 10, out by 4. A lot of that started there with those sorts of programs.

  54. syonredux says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    LQ Jones is simply perfect in that scene…….

  55. @syonredux

    I’d guess that the kind of energy and creativity the Brits put into spy novels got directed in America into conspiracy theorising. I’m thinking of the work done by the Skousen family, the John Birch Society and many others. I say “conspiracy theorising” as neutrally as possible.

  56. Who gives a shit. TV is propaganda that sucks even if it weren’t, I mean wasn’t propaganda..

  57. @istevefan

    Not only White but WASP to boot!

  58. @Verymuchalive

    Mason should have put a ring on Street.

  59. I went back to watch that scene on youtube, and found the following comment:

    Scott
    The question is important, not the answer. All of the other ethnic groups Pesci mentioned have their “thing”, while the WASPs have their undying loyalty to the USA. If the other groups had the same loyalty, there would be no reason to ask the question.
    2 years ago (edited) 15 up votes

  60. @Jim Christian

    Along with Mary Tyler Moore, Jim, One Day at a Time, with Valerie Bertinelli and some other chick and that red-headed single mom, was the one that got my Dad ticked off about the “agenda”. Yeah, this stuff is nothing recent. The point on that one was to show that the single-mom life was perfectly acceptable and worked out just great.

  61. e says:
    @Desiderius

    Ah, thanks.
    It’s been some time since I’ve watched those re-runs, but yes, I recall the last two seasons or so touched on topical social issues. The best “Mason” episodes occurred in seasons 1-4.

  62. @syonredux

    It would be interesting which Winchester College Old Boy spent a larger percentage of his life in the U.S. versus England: Raymond Chandler or P.G. Wodehouse?

    A lot of Bertie Wooster’s idioms are from Broadway, where Wodehouse worked extensively. Chandler was helped be a Great American Pulp Fiction by his unusual Bloomsbury polish while Wodehouse’s English Country House writing has a lot of zany American energy.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  63. @Desiderius

    the Hispanics, they’ve got Chico and the Man.

    Hidden gem of the whole post.

    Indeed.

  64. guest says:
    @Olorin

    DeNiro himself played lower-breed white “Wild Bill” Donovan. (Irish, naturally.) Who either by command from above or due to his own foresight recruited white shoes to be instructed by English Queers, I mean Gentlemen. He was generally sympathetic, with diabetes foot and all. The loyal Italian-y servant played by John Turturro was likeable as well. The Russians got to be clever.

    Not you, WASPy WASPman.

    One part I did like, however, was the Skull and Bones initiation, where they lay you out naked in a coffin and make you tell them a secret. Very instructive as to how these people control eachother.

    Oh, I also enjoyed that one frat brother who kept showing up. The one that once peed on Matt Damon. Matt despises him, but he’s always there. Because that’s how it is with “our people.” You’re stuck with them.

  65. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Chandler’s easy enough to do. There’s a website with a Chandler Timeline:

    https://www.shamustown.com/timeline.html

    Simplified version (leaving out brief trips, etc):

    US: 1888-1900

    UK:1900-1912

    US:1912-1917

    1917-1919: Service in Europe with the Canadian Army

    1919-1955: US

    1955-1959: Back-and-forth between the USA and UK

    Wodehouse is trickier (I can’t find a convenient timeline for him), but, looking at his WIKIPEDIA bio, we get a first visit to the US in 1904….then a second visit in 1909….repeated trips to NY between 1910 and 1914….1914-1918 was spent in NY…..returns to UK approx 1920….but makes repeated trips to NY for protracted stays….Period in Hollywood (1929-1931)….During the ’30s continues his habit of jaunting back-and-forth between UK and USA before settling in France…Stuck in France during the War….in US from 1946 to his death in 1975….

  66. @Twinkie

    Arnold on Happy Days

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  67. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    weihan liang is all you ever need. chinese work differential equation hard pencil shoe unsafe.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  68. @guest

    Wait, who pissed on Matt Damon?

    • Replies: @guest
  69. @SunBakedSuburb

    They were all just early globalists.

  70. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Where I am we get NHK and some Cantonese channel that shows largely bizarre and incomprehensible HK movies (not that there aren’t good ones, I just haven’t seen them broadcast). Then there’s half (nb: not a real statistic) of Netflix now being Korean programs. So I guess the answer to that would be “Yes”.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  71. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Solution to Twinkie’s question too…

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  72. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve heard of white Hispanics, but Hispanic WASPs?

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  73. MarcB. says:
    @syonredux

    Breaking Bad seemed like a nihilistic response the screw-job heirloom America received and weren’t supposed to either notice or get irritated over, just tolerate quietly.

    • Replies: @guest
  74. guest says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    There’s a scene where the Skull and Bones pledges are mud-wrestling in the nude for the pleasure of upperclassmen, one of whom adds to his own enjoyment by peeing off the balcony down onto the competitors.

    The actor’s name is Lee Pace. He also played an elf in Hobbit movies and I think was in Guardians of the Galaxy.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  75. guest says:
    @MarcB.

    Not nihilistic, no. Because that show very clearly makes the main character a villain.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  76. syonredux says:
    @guest

    Not nihilistic, no. Because that show very clearly makes the main character a villain.

    More accurate to say that he “breaks bad” and becomes a villain over the course of the show’s run….

  77. syonredux says:
    @guest

    Lee Pace is a homosexual…..

    Pace’s sexual orientation became a topic of public discussion, when in 2012 he was identified as gay by Ian McKellen, who worked with him in The Hobbit movies. McKellen’s “outing” was described in the press as a blunder and an accident on his part as Pace had not come out by then.[26] Pace made no comments about his romantic life until February 2018. Pace said in a February 2018 interview that he has dated both men and women, but did not identify with a single sexual identity label.[27] That May, he came out as gay in an interview with The New York Times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Pace#Personal_life

  78. Twinkie says:
    @Anon

    Then there’s half (nb: not a real statistic) of Netflix now being Korean programs. So I guess the answer to that would be “Yes”.

    Yes, but those programs seem to be geared toward Westerners. A friend went to a script writing class and told me the instructors were gaga over Danish and Korean films of late.

  79. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    golf*

    – @ISteve

    • Replies: @syonredux
  80. @Anon

    Beats DeNiro’s greasy Irishman!

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