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I am a big fan of Jewish self-awareness, but it’s in increasingly short supply in recent years. Here’s an interview with a Jewish professor of history, Marc Dollinger, who points out some fairly obvious truths that have gotten lost in all the retconning.

From NPR:

Exploding Myths About ‘Black Power, Jewish Politics’

June 4, 20186:18 AM ET
LEAH DONNELLA

Many Americans tell the story of Black-Jewish political relations like this: First, there was the Civil Rights movement, where the two groups got along great.

This was the mid-1950s to the mid-60s — picture Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel and Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. marching arm-in-arm from Selma to Montgomery. And James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, murdered while organizing to register black voters in Mississippi.

Then, the story goes, there was a shift. In the mid-’60s, with the rise of black nationalism (and what some describe as black anti-Semitism), “the once wonderful alliance dissolved and split. And since the mid 1960s, it’s been terrible.”

That, says historian Marc Dollinger, is “the accepted wisdom on how to understand Jewish participation in the civil rights movement.”

Except, Dollinger adds, that’s not really what happened.

He lays all this out in his new book, Black Power, Jewish Politics: Reinventing the Alliance in the 1960s.

Dollinger, a professor at San Francisco State University, argues that much of our accepted knowledge about the interaction between black and Jewish communities is based more on myth than fact. He says uncovering the real story can teach all Americans a lot about privilege, historical memory and the way we construct our own stories. …

Dollinger: So I think that — it’s called historical memory, is what academics call it — we tend to remember what we want to remember. We tend to forget what we want to forget. And we tend to spin the evidence to a prearranged thesis. So we — white American Jews — have had a prearranged thesis on the black-Jewish alliance, and therefore it tends to self-perpetuate. And it also is self-serving. …

So there are basically three areas advanced for why Jews would involve themselves in the struggle for racial equality. All three turn out to be false. But the first would be the history argument, that says blacks and Jews share a common history, and therefore Jews empathize with the historical experience of blacks, and therefore they’re willing to help. Right?

When I talk generally with white Jews about why Jews are involved in social justice or civil rights or racial equality, they’ll talk about this shared history of oppression.

And the problem is that American Jewish history and African-American history are 180 degrees opposite on that question. One of my African-American colleagues, he said, “If I ever go to a Seder and the Jews say that they know what it’s like because they too were once slaves in Egypt,” he’s gonna punch ‘em.

Because if Jews have to go back to ancient Egypt to get the slavery metaphor, then they’ve kind of missed that American Jewish history is a story of rapid social ascent, and African-American history is the legacy of slavery. That argument is insulting, and it’s very elementary. …

The second argument is a sociological one, which is to say Jews experience social marginalization; blacks experience social marginalization. Since Jews understand what it is to be on the margins, they help blacks. The problem with that is that the civil rights movement didn’t happen ’til the 1950s. In the 1950s, Jews were already in the mainstream. So if marginalization was the motive, then the movement should have started 50 years earlier. …

The third one, the one we get today, is Judaism: that the religion of the Jews argues for social justice, tikkun olam. Prophetic Judaism, the Reform movement, is involved with all of that.

The problem is, if one’s adherence to Judaism informs social justice, one would expect the Orthodox, those for whom traditional Judaism is most present in their everyday life, to be in the lead in racial equality. And in fact it’s the opposite. …

Zionism is a good example. In 1948, when the state of Israel was created, American Jews were happy, especially after the Holocaust, and thankful that there is a Jewish homeland. But they weren’t dancing in the streets, as it were.

After 1967, when the state of Israel won the Six Day War, the reaction of American Jewish youth was so pronounced that even national Jewish leaders were surprised — 7,500 young people got on airplanes and went to Israel to help, literally. Something like 98 percent of American Jews expressed strong sympathy for Israel.

And while the traditional thinking is, you know, Aren’t Jews great because they became Zionist in ’67? as a student of American Jewish history, I’m really curious why the reaction was stronger in ’67 than even in 1948. So when I did the research, I learned that the rise of black nationalism and the purge of Jews from leadership and civil rights organizations, got Jews thinking about their own nationalism.

You know, if blacks can advocate for blackness, then Jews can advocate for Jewishness. And in this sense, the Six Day War occurring in June of 1967 was perfectly timed to capture a whole bunch of young Jews who were nationalists in their proclivities, but didn’t have a place to put it. And there they could put it in Zionism.

My vague impression is that the 1967 War was galvanizing for American Jews more on the loyalist / conservative side of the spectrum by nature. According to Jacob Heilbrun, Moynihan and Nixon in the winter of 1968-69 figured out that they could sponsor neoconservatism among Jews excited about Israel and increasingly disillusioned by blacks. Perhaps that’s an exaggeration about the role played by these two very smart gentile observers of Jews, but it’s an interesting theory.

 
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  1. A lot of the support for Israel in the general white population likewise might have been because the other side was notably swarthier, giving us the opportunity to root for the lighter side in a conflict, which was receding rapidly at home.

  2. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    The problem with that is that the civil rights movement didn’t happen ’til the 1950s. In the 1950s, Jews were already in the mainstream. So if marginalization was the motive, then the movement should have started 50 years earlier. …

    Well, the idea that one needs to experience marginalization to advocate for the marginalized is obviously false, and is belied by the abolition movement, for example, which was driven by elite WASPs. But, to be fair, elite Jews like Walter Sachs and Henry Moskowitz were involved with the NAACP from its founding in 1909, well before the ‘50s.

  3. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think it was more about the other side being Muslim, and being associated with arguably the nadir of American postwar prestige, the siege of the US embassy in Tehran and the failed hostage rescue.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anon
  4. Anon[409] • Disclaimer says:

    The more Jews promote their Jewishness, the more that they become a separate thing from whites in the general consciousness. And once that happens, the more people will look at and start to quantify the proportionality of representation in various elite and influential jobs. Blending in more might be the better strategy.

    • Replies: @Independent
    , @Dissident
  5. Moses says:

    Jews, like any group, have group interests. And those interests often are not in alignment with White American interests.

    Simple as that.

  6. syonredux says:

    So there are basically three areas advanced for why Jews would involve themselves in the struggle for racial equality. All three turn out to be false. But the first would be the history argument, that says blacks and Jews share a common history, and therefore Jews empathize with the historical experience of blacks, and therefore they’re willing to help. Right?

    When I talk generally with white Jews about why Jews are involved in social justice or civil rights or racial equality, they’ll talk about this shared history of oppression.

    And yet, there was little in the way of Jewish sympathy for Blacks in the antebellum era. The movement to end the trans-Atlantic Slave Trade and Abolitionism were Protestant affairs. Indeed, elite Jewish opinion regarding Blacks could even be characterized as hostile:

    Diplomat, playwright, and journalist Mordecai M. Noah, the “most important Jew in America” during the 1830s and 1840s, according to his biographer Jonathan D. Sarna, wrote that blacks were “anatomically and mentally inferior to the white” and could find contentment only in servile labor. Noah dreaded the thought of a slave revolt and viciously condemned abolitionists. Emmanuel Hart, the first Jewish congressman from New York in the 1850s, was a leader of the conservative “hunker” Democrats, a faction that opposed any agitation against slavery and worked to uphold the interests of the slaveholding states. Editor Robert Lyon of the Asmonean, a self-described progressive who hired Reform Judaism’s leading proponent, Isaac Mayer Wise, as his literary editor, endorsed James Buchanan in 1856 as a “progressionist,” defended the Fugitive Slave Act, and called abolitionists “the foul Fiend which stalks among us.” Lyon included among the abolitionists both “Frederick Douglass the ******,” and a “heterogeneous stew of fanatics and imposters.” The notion of black suffrage was, he said, “preposterous.”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-gay-jew-who-made-the-confederacy-tick/?highlight=raphall#comment-988247

    The third one, the one we get today, is Judaism: that the religion of the Jews argues for social justice, tikkun olam. Prophetic Judaism, the Reform movement, is involved with all of that.

    The problem is, if one’s adherence to Judaism informs social justice, one would expect the Orthodox, those for whom traditional Judaism is most present in their everyday life, to be in the lead in racial equality. And in fact it’s the opposite. …

    Well said. For the bulk of Jewish history, tikkun olam was seen as a call for proper observance of Jewish Law, not as a cry for social justice among the goyim….

    And while the traditional thinking is, you know, Aren’t Jews great because they became Zionist in ’67? as a student of American Jewish history, I’m really curious why the reaction was stronger in ’67 than even in 1948. So when I did the research, I learned that the rise of black nationalism and the purge of Jews from leadership and civil rights organizations, got Jews thinking about their own nationalism.

    You know, if blacks can advocate for blackness, then Jews can advocate for Jewishness. And in this sense, the Six Day War occurring in June of 1967 was perfectly timed to capture a whole bunch of young Jews who were nationalists in their proclivities, but didn’t have a place to put it. And there they could put it in Zionism.

    Yeah, but that doesn’t take into account the fact that the Six Day War engendered a similar uptick in Jewish nationalism outside the US…..Frankly, I tend to think that the sight of Jews kicking so much Arab ass simply triggered a massive testosterone surge among Jewish men across the globe….

  7. TheBoom says:

    This article’s self awareness is very sanitized. It doesn’t, for example, mention key things like Jews’ experience being slaves didn’t stop them from owning slaves and helping run the slave trade in the Confederacy just as blacks’ experience with being slaves didn’t stop them from getting into the trade when sent back to Africa. But knowing those things is anti Semitic (and racist!)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  8. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think it was more about the other side being Muslim, and being associated with arguably the nadir of American postwar prestige, the siege of the US embassy in Tehran and the failed hostage rescue.

    Probably something to that….One could also add the chiliastic enthusiasm for Israel among many American fundamentalists….And there was also the Hollywood pro-Israel propaganda machine:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(1960_film)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Entebbe_(film)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_at_Entebbe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_a_Giant_Shadow

  9. There has to be a better word than retconning. The only place I’ve ever seen it is here and when I had to look it up.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  10. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    The split occurred after the 60′s because Jews got rich, and powerful, and blacks stayed poor, and became their useful idiots whenever they needed to stick it to the WASPs. But blacks are violent and unpredictable, so the Jews created a new class of useful idiots, gays and feminists. They are much easier to control.

  11. syonredux says:
    @uilleam yr alban

    There has to be a better word than retconning. The only place I’ve ever seen it is here and when I had to look it up.

    I think that it works. And it’s used quite a bit in the comics:

    The first published use of the phrase “retroactive continuity” is found in theologian E. Frank Tupper’s 1973 book The Theology of Wolfhart Pannenberg:[6][page needed] “Pannenberg’s conception of retroactive continuity ultimately means that history flows fundamentally from the future into the past, that the future is not basically a product of the past.”

    The first known printed use of “retroactive continuity” referring to the altering of history in a fictional work is in All-Star Squadron #18 (February 1983) from DC Comics. The series was set on DC’s Earth-Two, an alternate universe in which Golden Age comic characters age in real time. All-Star Squadron was set during World War II on Earth-Two; as it was in the past of an alternate universe, all its events had repercussions on the contemporary continuity of the DC multiverse. Each issue changed the history of the fictional world in which it was set. In the letters column, a reader remarked that the comic “must make you [the creators] feel at times as if you’re painting yourself into a corner”, and, “Your matching of Golden Age comics history with new plotlines has been an artistic (and I hope financial!) success.” Writer Roy Thomas responded, “we like to think that an enthusiastic ALL-STAR booster at one of Adam Malin’s Creation Conventions in San Diego came up with the best name for it a few months back: ‘Retroactive Continuity’. Has kind of a ring to it, don’t you think?”[7] The term then took firm root in the consciousness of fans of American superhero comics.

    At some point, “retroactive continuity” was shortened to “retcon”, reportedly by Damian Cugley in 1988 on Usenet. Hard evidence of Cugley’s abbreviation has yet to surface, though in a Usenet posting on August 18, 1990, Cugley posted a reply in which he identified himself as “the originator of the word retcon”.[8] Cugley used the neologism to describe a development in the comic book Saga of the Swamp Thing, which reinterprets the events of the title character’s origin by revealing facts that previously were not part of the narrative and were not intended by earlier writers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity

  12. Anonym says:

    The thing is, some Jews can get prickly about the public self awareness of other Jews. What’s Dollinger’s escape plan?

  13. “And it’s used quite a bit in the comics”

    I’m not sure that’s a positive. A good neologism for an important phenomenon should suggest the nature of the phenomenon.

  14. newrouter says:

    There’s “blackity black black” and there’s “jewity jew jew”

  15. Today marks the 50th anniversary of Robert Kennedy’s assassination in LA. His killer, Sirhan Sirhan, shot him because Kennedy voted to help Israel during the ‘67 Six Day War. That congressional vote cost him his life.

    Literally, Kennedy gave his life for Israel.

  16. @Uilleam yr alban

    Right, because what cultural influence do superhero comics have today?

    • Agree: syonredux
    • Replies: @uilleam yr alban
  17. syonredux says:
    @Uilleam yr alban

    “And it’s used quite a bit in the comics”

    I’m not sure that’s a positive. A good neologism for an important phenomenon should suggest the nature of the phenomenon.

    Seeing as how the SJWs (the most enthusiastic retconers) tend to view reality in terms of fantasy, a term derived from the comics seems quite appropriate….

    How Fiction Forms Our Politics : The Psychology of Narratives

    • Agree: Simon in London
  18. @Steve Sailer

    Comics virtually none. Movies based on 50-year-old comics a lot.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anon
  19. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Also Don Drysdale’s 6th straight shutout.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    , @Clyde
  20. Stogumber says:

    The Jewish-Black coalition had its real foundation
    1) before 1945 with Jewish leftist “political entrepeneurs” looking for a bulk of footsoldiers (as a possible alternative to the industrial-worker footsoldiers) – this was one particular strategy of Jewish ascent
    2) after 1945 with Jewish Leftists being ashamed and disturbed by the bad image of Communism and looking for a way out in order to reestablish themselves as a political “force for the good”. (And of course, Jewish Leftists felt marginalized even under Eisenhower.)

  21. J.Ross says: • Website

    The “story” here is that a respectable academic is willing to attach his name to information we already knew and that a healthy society would not find controversial. It might be Cofnas’d or they might just under-publicize it. I doubt Dollinger will be Finkelsteined because he won’t be seen as comparably combative or directly threatening.
    State legislators are mandating more and more “Holocaust education” and one representative (Ted Deutsch from Florida) is trying to use civil rights anti-discrimination logic to effectively ban “anti-Semitism” (it is hard to see this getting off the ground or surviving a Supreme Court challenge). Between these trends and the increasing discussions about topics that, in the recent past were notable for their controversality, it looks like an elite fumbling their near-totalitarian control. As always with this crowd, had they grasped less tightly, their grip would have been more secure.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Karl
  22. J.Ross says: • Website
    @TheBoom

    Right, what you’re getting here is a more respectable and focused version of the Nation of Islam book. In fact, what Dollinger is really doing is repositioning the Jews as whites just as some thought leaders had begun to proudly reject Jewish whiteness. The slavery connection isn’t just too hot, it’s downright elegant in its elimination of any natural sympathy.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    , @Tyrion 2
  23. syonredux says:
    @uilleam yr alban

    Comics virtually none. Movies based on 50-year-old comics a lot.

    All the more fitting, then, that we use a comics derived term…..

  24. Stogumber says:

    With the German Jews of the Francfort School things are rather simple: the more they felt betrayed by the German proles, the more they looked for an alternative “revolutionary class” (but as Germans they had no particular interest in the Blacks – Adorno disdained jazz music).

    But how went things in the United States? Did Jewish-Black relations improve because Jewish-”white proles” relation worsened? Were there simply no more interesting slots for young Jews in the labor unions (who in any way were no more apt for a revolution)?

  25. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT This is really good.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-03/modern-civil-war-being-fought-without-guns-so-far

    It’s Zero Hedge but the piece is from an Eastern Michigan University professor.

    How do civil wars happen?

    Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can’t settle the question through elections because they don’t even agree that elections are how you decide who’s in charge. That’s the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

    The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it’s not the first time they’ve done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn’t really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There’s a pattern here.

    What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don’t accept the results of any election that they don’t win. It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

    That’s a civil war.

    There’s no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice.

    And there was that “Time’s Up” garbage truck colliding with a congresscritter-loaded train that William Kristol knew about. But that’s just, like, two weird freak incidents. What was it Ian Fleming said? Wait till one more?

    Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that’s not the system that runs this country. The Democrat’s system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

    If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He’s a dictator.

    But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can’t do anything. He isn’t even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has ‘discretion’ to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn’t even have the ‘discretion’ to reverse him. That’s how the game is played That’s how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn’t yet won that particular fight.

  26. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    If Tom Wolfe had grown up in the internet age.

    • Replies: @sayless
  27. The thing that Jews and blacks have in common is they are largely urbanites. Hence, both groups have a general interest in promoting progressive policies which tend to benefit people who live in big cities. However, since there is a big income gap between blacks and Jews, their interests are also likely to clash at times. For example, Clinton-style neoliberalism would no doubt be very popular with most Jews, but wouldn’t be very popular with a lot of poor blacks.

  28. Kudos to this Marc Dollinger fellow for some intellectual honesty.

    The notable thing here is just how easily and completely the Jewish narrative falls apart given the least bit of honest scrutiny. It really is that flimsy.

    This “Jews are like blacks” propaganda is one of the most ridiculous things imaginable. Other than “minority” they could not be more polar opposites. The blacks were a poor working underclass class, kept separate by the white majority. Jews in contrast were a rich rent-seeking overclass, kept separate by their rejection of integration with the majority. Blacks–at least back in the day–would have been happy to integrate. (Where the barriers were more porous in Latin America, they did and there is a color continum produced by HBD, rather than a color line.) Jews (Ashkenazi) exist because of rejection of integration in favor of tribe. (And developed baroque practices and theology to reinforce such rejection.) The philosophy of Christian universalism underlying the famous “content of their character” lines of Martin Luther King are precisely what the Jews rejected.

    The reason for Jewish support of the blacks civil rights movement is easy to understand–minoritarianism. The fundamental principle that no majority people–but specifically and especially white gentiles–can be allowed to have their own stuff–businesses, country clubs, universities, neighborhoods or nations. Cause that means they could/might keep Jews from penetrating and exploiting.

    The reason, damn sure wasn’t “integration”. The Jews didn’t suddenly–after 2000 years–have some sort of come to Jesus moment and decide they were historically in the wrong and really want to be besties and integrate with the gentiles and dissolve as a people. And they damn sure didn’t want the blacks to come integrate *their* neighborhoods, *their* country clubs or *their* daughters. Hell no! No this was pretty simple–stop whitey from having his own whitey stuff. Break it up.

  29. Veracitor says:

    Communism, dammit!

    Much American Jewish involvement in the Civil Rights movement was “revolutionary,” motivated by the Kremlin propaganda line about American capitalists keeping Negroes down to swell the reserve army of the unemployed and to distract the workers from class struggle by fomenting racial conflict. Jewish Communists and fellow travellers wanted integration to overturn all that and also to gall and provoke the American bourgeoisie and capitalists, to “heighten the contradictions” and thereby promote the revolution.

    Later, of course, the Jews like other American leftists almost completely mistook the tactic for the goal– they became so distracted by the amusements of racial conflict that they forgot about class struggle. They do get a lot of satisfaction from galling the bourgeoisie even now. Look at the way they rub Teh Genius Coates in people’s faces all the time.

  30. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Jews promoting blacks is a common thing. Was true in the USA, and was even more true in South Africa. The only reasonable explanation that I could find sounds somewhat unreasonable but still excels over others: Jews are possessed with criticism a.k.a. revolutionary spirit.

    • Replies: @Anon
  31. Towel Ban says:

    It must be especially annoying because as constant archeological excavations have shown Jews never were “slaves” in Egypt. In fact it was quite the opposite, to whatever extent Semites occupied Egypt they in fact ruled as “kings” for a period after a successful invasion known as the “Hyksos Period”(1650 BC-1550 BC).

    Afterwards the Egyptian Empire Came to occupy Canaan for a period in order to ward off and prevent the many Semitic military invasions from its neighbor until around 1200 BC which is Steve’s favorite period in ancient history known as the Bronze Age Collapse.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Druid
  32. Tyrion 2 says:

    The third one, the one we get today, is Judaism: that the religion of the Jews argues for social justice, tikkun olam. Prophetic Judaism, the Reform movement, is involved with all of that.

    The problem is, if one’s adherence to Judaism informs social justice, one would expect the Orthodox, those for whom traditional Judaism is most present in their everyday life, to be in the lead in racial equality. And in fact it’s the opposite. …

    Reform Judaism is not simply a more relaxed version of Judaism. It is qualitatively different from the Orthodox variety. It also has very heterodox roots and was quite distinct in different places. The leading and first Reform synagogue in Britain, for example, had its entire structure designed around British identity and the more prosaic desire to have a place where your non-Jewish fellows might be invited and not leave with the inpression that you come from a long line of backwards savages.

    In Germany, as fits the relative stereotypes, the initial movement was more ideological and was imbued with heady and romantic ideas of miraculous progress and fixing the world.

    Of course, the assimilationist desire was always present in both. It must sure have been embarrassing to see the orderly and elegant services of your Christian friends but return to the bizarre bearded shucking and jiving in the klingon-like language of your own tradition. Sadly though, it’s no longer the Victorian age and the assimilationist desire trends more towards the achingly politically correct.

    This leads to the strange circumstance of Hebrew and ritual swaying finding its way back into services as the return to the primitive somehow carries the imprimatur of both being more authentic and somehow ‘progressive’.

    In this way, one can discern a flight to white (or rather – civilisation) in 19th and 20th Century Reform Judaism with a hesitating and confused 2 steps from, 1 step back, shuffle away today! Unsurprisingly, this is very much driven by trends in society and not some devious plot.

    Essentially, whereas your non-Jewish friends would once have been impressed with an orderly service and Amy Waxman’s ‘white bourgeois values’ we are now supposed to not preach what we practice.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  33. Moses says:
    @AnotherDad

    Hmmm….you just might be onto something.

    I can’t think of even one example of a prominent Jew marrying a schwartze either IRL or on TV/film. How about schwartzes joining Jewish country clubs?

  34. OT-ish, but ultra Steve-bait: Howard Schultz may throw his kippah into the ring for 2020.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5805323/Starbucks-Howard-Schultz-steps-executive-chairman.html

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Barnard
  35. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Today marks the 50th anniversary of Robert Kennedy’s assassination in LA. His killer, Sirhan Sirhan, shot him because Kennedy voted to help Israel during the ‘67 Six Day War. That congressional vote cost him his life.

    Also it’s the 76th anniversary of–the much more world historically significant–American destruction of the Japanese carriers at Midway, which essentially sealed Japan’s fate in the war. Though much more fighting and dying had to occur.

    (Personally, as a half-Irish American, i’ll be happy when this Kennedy deification and mythologization has finally burnt out, over and done with and we can stop pretending these crude mediocrities were some sort of great, world historical, American titans.)

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    , @Buffalo Joe
  36. @Tyrion 2

    Interesting comment Tyrion.

    I confess, i’m so annoyed with the cucky Christians–unwilling to fight for their survival–i’ve pretty much lost interest in even polite attendence at Christian services. Attending services of people who want my nation exterminated … definitely not on my agenda.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Svigor
  37. @Moses

    ? Jews are white Americans.

    No offense.

    • Replies: @Moses
  38. syonredux says:

    Off-topic:

    At 51.7% in 2017, we are fast approaching the point where non-white births outnumber white births in America. If it doesn’t happen this year, it looks like it will happen in 2019. I expect members of the intellectual dark web will complain the media isn’t giving Trump the credit he deserves for being in office when non-white babies outnumbered white babies for the first time when the historical milestone is reached!

    As has been pointed out numerous times previously, the sensational assertion based on Census estimates that this happened back in 2012 will turn out to merely be six or seven years premature.

    The four most populous states in the union are now natally majority-minority. In California, barely one-in-four babies are white. Future president Kamala Harris is California Dreaming this for the entire country.

    In Texas, it’s one-in-three. The putatively rock-ribbed Republican stronghold is undergoing a demographic transformation that will turn it purple and then blue. Texas is to my knowledge the only state in the country where whites vote more strongly Republican than non-whites vote Democrat. They do so only marginally, though–the white and non-white votes are essentially the inverse of one another. This means when non-whites reach an electoral majority in the lone star state, it’ll move to the Democrat column. The writing is on the exit polling walls:

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/

  39. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Simon Tugmutton

    Because being fired by Starbucks is the best platform for running for President…

    • Replies: @Anon
  40. Anon[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Jews promote blacks in order to increase the probability that white women will mate with black men. It really is that simple.

    • Replies: @anon
  41. MLK’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” pleaded for clergy to join the Civil Rights Movement. He quoted Old Testament prophets and New Testaments apostles, St. Thomas Aquinas (Catholic), Reinhold Niebuhr (Protestant), and Martin Buber (Jewish). He said he himself would have tried to help Christians in the Soviet Union and Jews in Nazi Germany. He appealed to everybody except Muslims, who were the bad guys then.

    Clergy did join the movement in increased numbers, but it’s clear that few really wanted to do it, because MLK had to guilt-trip them into it.

    • Replies: @Logan
    , @another fred
  42. You know, if blacks can advocate for blackness, then Jews can advocate for Jewishness. And in this sense, the Six Day War occurring in June of 1967 was perfectly timed to capture a whole bunch of young Jews who were nationalists in their proclivities, but didn’t have a place to put it. And there they could put it in Zionism.

    The possible relationship to black nationism banging around the campus fringe is an interesting angle.

    I’ve generally considered the Jewish Six-Day War identity flowering to have two main causes:

    1) Everyone loves a winner / bandwagon effect.

    2) Jews moving from seeking accomodation/acceptance from the WASPs to being in power. Essentially Jews were finally “out”–”we’re here, we’re Jewish, get used to it!”. But enying/copying the black power thing might have been a piece of this transition.

    This paradigm shift just seems to be the way “civil rights” works. I’ve seen it with the gays over my life from “leave us alone” to “we’re here”, to “pride”, to in your face, to “you must accept us”, to we’ll harass you and destroy your career, your business, your life is you don’t think correct thoughts.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  43. Anon[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    When was he fired by Starbucks?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  44. utu says:

    Now we can blame Blacks for Jews becoming Zionist. If Blacks did not purge Jews from leadership and civil rights organizations, Jews would be happily helping Back oblivious to their own ethnic identity and Israel.

    That suppose to be Jewish self-awareness? The most effective liars convince themselves first.

    Lest ask the question what is it all about? Why the narrative is being changed? Why this new narrative is good for Jews because it must be good for Jews otherwise it would not be produced?

    Simple: Blacks taught us how to be Jewish nationalists. Zionism is good. It it just like Black nationalism. Dual loyalty is good.

  45. Mr. Blank says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Another way of looking at it:

    Islam was always going to be seen as The Enemy by a predominantly Christian West. Absent a total Third Reich victory in World War II — which even the most optimistic Nazis would probably regard as improbable — there was no alternative historical path in which Muslims and Christians might have joined together in happy shared hatred of the despised Jews. The only question was whether organized Judaism would align itself with the nominally Christian West or the less-nominally Muslim East.

    For the most part, Jews chose Western Christendom, however weak it might appear to be. So far their choice seems to have been the correct one.

  46. @Anon

    the more people will look at and start to quantify the proportionality of representation in various elite and influential jobs.

    I would be grateful to anyone who who could provide some readily citable statistics for Jewish over-representation in positions of power, influence and wealth in both the public as well as the private sectors. I am trying to raise awareness among my fellow (and not-so-fellow, as the case may be) Jews. I need sources that stand a chance of being considered credible by “normies” and Respectables.

    Below is a comment I composed addressing this matter, the latest of several similar comments that I have submitted to a certain Respectable site. Perhaps unsurprisingly, none have made it past moderation.

    As we see from [any number of prominent examples], somehow it is considered quite acceptable for Jews to berate white gentiles for “racism” and “white privilege”– even to the point of demanding that persons-of-color and other minorities be favored over whites in the interest of promoting “diversity”. (E.g., Charles Schumer opposing judicial nominees on the grounds of them being white males.)

    Meanwhile, the fact is that in just about every area of wealth and influence: business, finance, government, academia, the media, etc., Jews hold positions in numbers that far exceed any proportionality to our percentage of the population. Yet, anyone who so much as notices, much less questions, this salient fact is reflexively denounced as an anti-Semite and forthwith blacklisted and unpersoned.

    As a Jew myself, I am not only ashamed of this rank double-standard but also quite apprehensive about where the inevitable increasing awareness and resentment of it may ultimately lead. Enough of the BS already! Either cut the sanctimonious moralizing about “diversity”, etc. or stop demanding that Jewish over-representation be excluded from such discussions. You cannot have it both ways.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  47. Anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @uilleam yr alban

    And inside-baseball industry jargon from the people who make comics: yet less influence.

    Sooner or later it might catch on, as some post-modernist academic jargon has caught on. But that example “begs the question” <wink, where's my Garner>: jargon that goes mainstream tends to waffle and expand and go soft-focus in its meaning. Many use it; few use it correctly or really know what it means.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  48. Mishra says:
    @syonredux

    Not really off-topic. In fact in some ways the only topic.

    Yet we have people here imagining that wypipos is coming back.

    • Replies: @Neuday
  49. @Anon

    I’m not Tom Wolfe, I don’t have a knack for inventing terms that sweep the world.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  50. Dissident says:
    @Anon

    [Please discard the nearly identical version of this comment that I submitted a few minutes ago (mistakenly using what is my posting handle and email address at a different site) in favor of this one. Thank you and apologies for the bother.]

    the more people will look at and start to quantify the proportionality of representation in various elite and influential jobs.

    I would be grateful to anyone who who could provide some readily citable statistics for Jewish over-representation in positions of power, influence and wealth in both the public as well as the private sectors. I am trying to raise awareness among my fellow (and not-so-fellow, as the case may be) Jews. I need sources that stand a chance of being considered credible by “normies” and “Respectables”.

    Below is a comment I composed addressing this matter, the latest version of what are several that I have submitted to a certain Respectable site. Perhaps unsurprisingly, none have made it past moderation.

    As we see from [any number of prominent examples], somehow it is considered quite acceptable for Jews to berate white gentiles for “racism” and “white privilege”– even to the point of demanding that persons-of-color and other minorities be favored over whites in the interest of promoting “diversity”. (E.g., Charles Schumer opposing judicial nominees on the grounds of them being white males.)

    Meanwhile, the fact is that in just about every area of wealth and influence: business, finance, government, academia, the media, etc., Jews hold positions in numbers that far exceed any proportionality to our percentage of the population. Yet, anyone who so much as notices, much less questions, this salient fact is reflexively denounced as an anti-Semite and forthwith blacklisted and unpersoned.

    As a Jew myself, I am not only ashamed of this rank double-standard but also quite apprehensive about where the inevitable increasing awareness and resentment of it may ultimately lead. Enough of the BS already! Either cut the sanctimonious moralizing about “diversity”, etc. or stop demanding that Jewish over-representation be excluded from such discussions. You cannot have it both ways.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    , @Samuel Skinner
  51. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    As per the ‘stepping down from his role as Executive Chairman’ in the article linked to above. So just now.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    , @J.Ross
  52. US Jews went heavily Zionist after the Six Day War because everyone loves a winner – and Americans even moreso than most. Being Zionist in 1948 meant supporting something that might not win, it was a much bigger psychological risk.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
  53. @Reg Cæsar

    A lot of Palestinians and other Levantines are very light skinned, and Mossad has no problem finding agents who make convincing Levantine Arabs. Palestinians Lebanese & Syrians don’t look much like Gulf Arabs.

    OTOH Egyptians are often noticeably darker, so there’s that.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  54. utu says:

    Now we can blame Blacks for Jews becoming Zionist. If Blacks did not purge Jews from leadership in civil rights organizations, Jews would be happily helping Blacks oblivious of their own ethnic identity and Israel.

    That suppose to be Jewish self-awareness? The most effective liars convince themselves first.

    Lest ask the question what is it all about? Why the narrative is being changed? Why this new narrative is good for Jews because it must be good for Jews otherwise it would not be produced?

    Simple: Blacks taught us how to be Jewish nationalists. Zionism is good. It it just like Black nationalism. Dual loyalty is good.

  55. Tyrion 2 says:

    Only slightly OT but:

    I’ve created a blog to more comprehensively go over a few things that seem to be of interest here. I am not an experienced writer so feedback is welcome. I won’t take it personally.

    he first article is on ‘Birthright’ and how it confirmed me in British Nationalism. Somebody sort of requested it. I’ve only written a slightly navel-gazing introduction but I think it is interesting and that was important as the whole thing would be quite long and I’m still searching for the right tone.

    The link is now part of my profile here.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  56. Just googled “when was slavery abolished in the usa” and it was 1865. The last convict transported to Oz was 10/01/1868.

    Therefore White Australians descended from convicts have more in common with African-Americans than Jews.

    Further, I don’t recall Jews ever getting all tikkun olam over us, in fact exactly the opposite: Jews were at the forefront of abolishing the White Australia Policy. A homeland for me and not for thee.

    I can’t get a definitive answer as to when “indentured servitude” ended for Whites in the USA, perhaps an iStever can help, but the the life of a White convict or indentured servent was far harsher and brutal than that of a slave in many instances due to the fact that slaves had a monetary value whereas convicts and servants were free and abundant.

    Lots of good books on the subject like Sean O’Callaghan’s “To Hell or Barbados: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland” wherein the origin of the term redneck is explained, or Michael Hoffman’s “They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America”.

    It’s interesting to think about why historic White slavery, whether convict or indentured servants, which lasted longer in the Western world than black slavery is not even considered a thing and that the descendants of those convicts and servants are asserted to owe a moral and financial debt to blacks. It’s also worth pondering that this perverse ahistorical moralism is promoted by the very same Jewish descendants of the majority slave owners, and convict ship transporters, who were Jews!

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    , @Pericles
    , @Jake
  57. @Reg Cæsar

    I wouldn’t say that ended in 1967 or 1972 either. My impression, and that’s all it is, is that as Islam has increased its temporal power in the UK, whether by demography, or rape and bombings by its adherents, so Brits are less bothered about Muslims being mistreated in Palestine.

    The media helps this along – the siege of Aleppo got as much coverage in three months as the West Bank gets in a decade.

    The old British concern for ‘fair play’ was a product of people comfortable in their skins and in their country – as that comfort lessens, so will that concern.

    • Replies: @Anon
  58. bjdubbs says:

    1967 is a neat explanation for the difference between the first generation of neocons, who often served in the military, and their children. Irving Kristol’s “On the Political Stupidity of the Jews” doesn’t read like anything the neocons would endorse today; the title alone is probably unacceptable today. For those keeping track of these kind of things, Bill Kristol’s mental breakdown can mostly be traced to his father’s death in 2009.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  59. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    I didn’t press update information. Sorry. Now the link is in.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  60. TheBoom says:
    @J.Ross

    It is almost as though a PR department was putting a good crisis management spin on a serious issue.

  61. TheBoom says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    Also worth noting is the capture of 1.3 million Europeans (many of whom were Irish and 2x the number of Africans brought to North America as slaves) by Barbary pirates who subsequently sold them into slavery. For some odd reason that is not mentioned in the discussion of slavery. Nor is the role Britain played in ending African slavery.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @res
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
  62. TheBoom says:
    @Simon in London

    Yes. Jews kicked ass in 67 and Jews throughout the world wanted to be on the winning team.

  63. TheBoom says:
    @Dissident

    Have you found any other Jews who acknowledge that there is a rather dramatic hypocrisy with Jews condemning white privilege and being far more over represented among the elite and coveted jobs that whites while demanding that Jewish over representation not be noticed? If so, any common denominators among those Jews?

  64. Travis says:
    @syonredux

    if they stopped counting Arabs, Iranians and North Africans as white we would non-white births outnumber white births in America already.

    92 million white babies were born in America from 1950-1980
    68 million white babies were born in America from 1980-2010

    white people stopped having children , which is the reason there were actually more white people under the age of 55 in 1970 than today.

  65. Svigor says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Support the rich guy across town, defending himself in court for shooting a burglar, even as his brother works to get your guns taken away and your house bulldozed.

  66. Svigor says:
    @Uilleam yr alban

    IIRC, the term isn’t just used to refer to comics, but has its origins with comic readers.

    It’s pretty suggestive, IMO: “retroactive continuity.”

    “Revisionist history” and “rewriting history” are the closest terms I can think of.

  67. Svigor says:
    @AnotherDad

    Christians are a bunch of saps, waiting to be told what to think. Don’t abandon that field to Jews.

  68. I don’t think these two events are related at all. Simply, US Jews were happy with creation of Israel in 1948, but not elated. The shadow of holocaust loomed large, but it was generally confined to Jewish circles; also, there was pervasive low key antisemitism in the US, so they naturally resorted to chameleon-like behavior. Basically -don’t stick out too much.

    The 1967 war was something completely different. Jewish power in the has US increased dramatically; cultural changes that involved counter-cultural 60s were astonishing; re-ethnicization of American “ethnics” was present everywhere, not only among Jews, but also among Italians, Poles, Greeks, Irish,… Then, the Six Day War was a spectacular success & nothing succeeds like success. It gave US Jews the crucial element of ethnic-cultural-national pride only military victory can bestow & cannot be compensated by all high positions in academia, media or high finances.

    The 1967 victorious war was also crucial in re-awakening of Jewish national consciousness in Soviet Union, Poland, France, Hungary, Brazil… so I would say that black nationalism & its distancing from US Jews did not play a significant role in re-Judaisation of American Jews.

  69. AndrewR says:
    @Moses

    “White American interests” is essentially meaningless. There are no interests that all White Americans share that all human beings don’t also share. And there aren’t really that many interests which a majority of white Americans share.

  70. Jake says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Remarkably ignorant of you.

    American Christians, the product of WASP culture (and that has become increasingly true of Catholics as well, starting with assimilation toward the norms set by Mainline Protestants and increasing in pace with Vatican II), naturally would ally with Jews even against Palestinian Christians, not because of skin pigmentation but because of the cultural legacy of a Judaizing heresy: Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

  71. tyrone says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s bible prophecy plain and simple

  72. Yak-15 says:

    So Jews should be great political allies with blacks because We Wuz Kangz enslaved their people a few thousand years ago and then fought to destroy the Jewish state in the 60s?

  73. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:

    I get that Nixon was smart. I don’t get what he did for the country or for conservatives. He actually pushed a very liberal agenda.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Anonymous
  74. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    what Dollinger is really doing is repositioning the Jews as whites

    Why were Jews in nazi Germany required to wear yellow stars but American blacks were not required to wear any defining marker during anti-bellum slavery?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  75. Pericles says:
    @AnotherDad

    This paradigm shift just seems to be the way “civil rights” works. I’ve seen it with the gays over my life from “leave us alone” to “we’re here”, to “pride”, to in your face, to “you must accept us”, to we’ll harass you and destroy your career, your business, your life is you don’t think correct thoughts.

    I’m sure you’ll be happy to know we’re now trying out a step or two beyond that. It’s homophobic to be straight and transphobic to mind that your woman used to be a man.

  76. Pericles says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    I can’t get a definitive answer as to when “indentured servitude” ended for Whites in the USA, perhaps an iStever can help, but the the life of a White convict or indentured servent was far harsher and brutal than that of a slave in many instances due to the fact that slaves had a monetary value whereas convicts and servants were free and abundant.

    If memory serves, you could get whipped in the Navy long after slavery ended.

    • Replies: @Karl
  77. @AnotherDad

    “(Personally, as a half-Irish American, i’ll be happy when this Kennedy deification and mythologization has finally burnt out, over and done with and we can stop pretending these crude mediocrities were some sort of great, world historical, American titans.)”

    What a stupendously stupid and spiteful statement.

    The assassination of both Kennedy’s had a great effect on the trajectory of the USA and the world in general. JFK’s resulted in the Vietnam war (National Security Memo 273) and Robert’s in Israel going nuclear.

    There was an essay on the latter recently at this very site: http://www.unz.com/article/did-israel-kill-the-kennedies/

    Btw, there would have been no need for “the much more world historically significant–American destruction of the Japanese carriers at Midway” were FDR (talk about a deified president) to take action when warned about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbour. But, FDR had been goading the Japanese all along to do that very thing. Pearl Harbour was the culmination of the plan. Much like 9/11 (see General Wesley Clark’s statement about plans for the Middle East post 9/11).

    But I suppose you reckon 9/11 was 100% kosher and ridgy-didge too.

  78. Pericles says:
    @TheBoom

    Yet now the slavers should be invited to live in the homelands of their slaves. It’s only fair, right?

  79. @syonredux

    Disturbing. And I agree with Mishra.

  80. Jake says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    Yes, the history of chattel slavery in the US shows rather clearly that because black slaves were owned, they were far more valuable to an owner of a white term slave (an indentured servant was a slave for a term of years). Even more so, the black slave was more much, much valuable to the slave owner than was any white immigrant free man.

    The reason has nothing to do with work ability, much less honesty (black slaves are well attested as having stolen a lot of stuff, from their owners as well as from whites other than their owners and from each other – by the 1950s, Leftist academics were interpreting that history as blacks stealing to be social justice revolutionaries, not as blacks being criminally inclined blacks). The reason is that if a rich man in, say, New Orleans (which attracted a large number of penniless Irish immigrants starting after the Great Famine) had a dangerous project (and because of the heat-humidity factor combined with tons of disease carrying mosquitoes, almost all work was potentially very dangerous to health and life), and he used the slaves he owned, he could have lost a small fortune if even 3 dozen slaves died or became permanently incapacitated. But if he had hired immigrant Irish for the work, and 5 dozen died, he would have lose nothing. He could hire 5 dozen more immigrant whites and finish the job.

    No owner of black slaves, for example, would have risked losing big bucks having the slaves dig out a coal mine and then later mine the coal. Many men always die in that work; many more get crippled. If your slaves die or become crippled, you lose money. If immigrants die doing your hard, dangerous work, you hire more immigrants and don’t give a damn about safety conditions.

    So much as acknowledging things like that is verboten, and has been for a very long time. And the source being protected by the unofficial censorship is much older than the existence of black slaves owned by a very few whites in the USA.

  81. vinteuil says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Interesting & entertaining first post.

    But “Observe, Orient, Decide and Write?” OODW? What’s up with that?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  82. snorlax says:
    @Anonymous

    A conservative congressman said he liked everything about Nixon except his foreign policy and his domestic policy.

    In seriousness, he did pursue a number of conservative agenda items, it’s just that these were almost all blocked by the liberal congress or judges.

    • Replies: @Flip
  83. @AndrewR

    “White American interests” is essentially meaningless. There are no interests that all White Americans share that all human beings don’t also share. And there aren’t really that many interests which a majority of white Americans share.

    I think it’s safe to say that all White Americans now share an interest in slowing, arresting, or reversing the browning of America. First, all available evidence indicates that a browner America will be a less functional, more balkanized, and poorer declining power with less intelligent, less competent, and less well-behaved inhabitants. All White Americans have a vested interest in this – as do all non-white Americans. All White Americans also have a discrete self-interest in not becoming a hated minority in a plurality brown America in which de jure and de facto mistreatment and other pretexts for revenge are assured.

    Maybe in an 85%+ White America in the 1970s you could say that White Americans have no definite shared interests, but I don’t think you can say this today in an America quickly degenerating into an all-against-all tribal conflict for diminishing spoils.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Mishra
  84. Anon[356] • Disclaimer says:

    As a self-aware Jew, I recommend you read further into Tikkun Olam. The author cited is wrong that Orthodox should be more active with Tikkun Olam. It is much more of a secular Jewish practical and worldly idea rather than what religious Jews would be dedicated too (namely God and torah.)

    The origin of Tikkun Olam has a lot to do with a strange branch of Judaism that originated in the 17th century. Too long to explain, but let’s just say that without understanding the story of Sabbatai Tzvi and later Frankism, you can’t really understand what the ((Jews)) are aiming for in the modern world. It represented a sharp break with Jewish ideas that came before. Ultimately contributing to Zionism, Jewish Communism, and modern social justice warriors. It’s never mentioned in the ((media)) but it’s like the Jewish Enlightenment. A major influence on the fate of the 19th century to our day. Hard to underestimate what the failure of supposed messiah Sabbatai Tzvi/Zevi meant to Jews in the 17th century. The crisis was nearly in proportion to the Holocaust two centuries later in terms of affecting Jewish identity. This is the root of the transition of Judaism from religion to ideology. Frankist Jews or children of such are hidden in history but all over European power in important moments of the 19th and 20th century.

    See Frankist “purification through transgression” to understand the origin of modern Tikkun Olam and why it us ultimately such an evil idiocy.

    Modern secular Jews for the most point don’t realize their ideology is based on a religious principle of committing evil to bring about a messianic good.

    To get you started:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbatai_Zevi

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism

    Internet overall seems weak in its discussion of this. Find some books!

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    , @HA
    , @HA
  85. Barnard says:
    @Simon Tugmutton

    I think he is more likely to go the philanthropy route. That is a much simpler, happier life than running for President today. Although if Schultz asks some consultants, they might tell him a convincing enough lie that he has a chance to win as an independent. Mike Murphy and John Weaver have bills to pay.

  86. AndrewR says:
    @Alec Leamas

    You make good points, and they’re hard to argue against, but I would say the term “interest” is rather meaningless without an implicit awareness of said interest. In other words, can someone be said to have an interest in something if they’re not even aware of it? Perhaps this is philosophical trivia, but I’m not sure about that.

    More concretely, many white Americans have a clear short-term to medium-term self-interest in maintaining the status quo, if not worsening it. This will be true for the foreseeable future.

  87. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @vinteuil

    It’s from OODA loop. It is a bit silly. Any better suggestions?

  88. AndrewR says:
    @Simon in London

    No one claimed otherwise. But Palestinians are, on average, significantly swarthier than Jews, primarily due to the great deal of non-Semitic European ancestry most Jews have.

    • Replies: @Karl
  89. Doug says:

    > Because if Jews have to go back to ancient Egypt to get the slavery metaphor

    For as much as Young-Earth Creationists get made fun of for believing in a literal interpretation of Genesis, I wish more people were aware that Exodus has absolutely zero basis in history. Even very educated people think that the Hebrews built pyramids or were enslaved in Egypt in the third millennia BCE.

    In reality, the Hebrews as a linguistic and cultural group only emerged in the 10th century BCE. Fifteen hundred years after the pyramids were built and when Exodus would be dated based on the Bible’s timeline. Furthermore there’s no evidence that the Hebrews were ever enslaved en masse at any point in history. In Egypt or anywhere else. The pyramids were likely built by native freeborn skilled laborers. Pharaoh Egypt never had a large slave population because it engaged in relatively little external wars of conquest.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Ian M.
    , @Ian M.
  90. AndrewR says:
    @Travis

    Lol. Persians are, what, 0.05% of the US population? 0.01? Arabs aren’t more than half a percent either. And they almost all assimilate to whiteness within a generation or two anyway, at least the non-Muslim ones do.

    • Replies: @3g4me
  91. Neuday says:
    @Mishra

    There will be partition, after an amount of bloodletting. Wypipo will come back, but in a smaller geographic area than what we have now. I see an awful lot of CA and TX plates moving to my Whitopia, looking for “good schools” or a safe place to retire.

    • Replies: @Lot
  92. @Steve Sailer

    Did Bobby attend the game at Dodger Stadium? Or did Don’s shutout happen on the road?
    Being as ’68 was the ‘Year of the Pitcher’, I assume that Drysdale’s shutout was a complete game.

    By the way, Youtube has MLB’s 1965 WS Highlights between LA and MIN, narrated by Vin Scully. What’s striking is the color photography. LA’s uniforms with the pure white and royal blue are iconic (as iconic as the NY pinstripes). Dodger Stadium is truly a jewel. Hopefully it won’t be torn down anytime soon.

    I did not realize that Koufax pitched and lost game 2, won game 5 (Complete Game) and THEN on two days rest, pitched game 7 (Complete Game). It’s like, Drysdale pitched game 1 (obviously due to Sandy’s abscence for Yom Kippur), but you’d think that Don would’ve pitched game 7 as he pitched game 4, but nope. There was no doubt in Alston’s mind that Sandy was going to pitch game 7 after having won game 5.

    Sandy “only” struck out 10 batters in game 5.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  93. istevefan says:
    @Travis

    white people stopped having children ,

    From the figures you cited, white people did not stop having children.

  94. Moses says:
    @AndrewR

    “Jewish American interests” is essentially meaningless. There are no interests that all Jewish Americans share that all human beings don’t also share. And there aren’t really that many interests which a majority of Jewish Americans share.

  95. @AnotherDad

    Jews having a “come to Jesus” moment after 2,000 yrs.

    I see what you did.

  96. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The game was at Dodger Stadium. In the pretty good 2005 (?) movie about the assassination Bobby Kennedy in LA made by Emilio Estevez, the busboy in the famous picture of the dying RFK is mad because he has a ticket to see Drysdale pitch but his boss makes him work that night. Don’t know if that’s true, but it was a good screenwriterly touch.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    , @FPD72
  97. Moses says:
    @Colin Wright

    Nope. Jews are not “White Americans.”

    Perhaps a better way to put it would be to substitute “European Christian Americans” for “White Americans,” if you believe that “White” includes European Christians plus Jews (btw I never hear Jews refer to themselves as “White” except in “Dear Fellow White People” screeds — it’s always “Is it good for the Jews?” not “Is it good for the Whites?”).

    Jews I’ve met certainly do NOT list themselves as a subgroup of European Christian Americans. They consider themselves entirely separate.

    Perhaps you’d prefer if I changed it to:

    Jews, like any group, have group interests. And those interests often are not in alignment with European Christian American interests.

    Simple as that.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  98. Mr. Anon says:
    @J.Ross

    State legislators are mandating more and more “Holocaust education” and one representative (Ted Deutsch from Florida) is trying to use civil rights anti-discrimination logic to effectively ban “anti-Semitism” (it is hard to see this getting off the ground or surviving a Supreme Court challenge).

    It’s hard to see that happening with a lot of things: the overturning of the fundamental meaning of a thousands-of-years-old social institution (marriage), the idea that men and women are no different, the normalization of homosexuality, the acceptance of a small subset of weirdos who mutilate themselves and claim to be members of the opposite sex…………..

    And yet all these things have happened or are happening.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  99. Mr. Anon says:
    @AndrewR

    “White American interests” is essentially meaningless. There are no interests that all White Americans share that all human beings don’t also share. And there aren’t really that many interests which a majority of white Americans share.

    Nonsense. There are plenty of interests they share, as other posters have pointed out downthread. The have those interests even if they are not aware of them. Just as anyone of us has an interest in not dying from some threat of which we are unaware. Those interests they share that all human beings share are best defended as a group, and won’t be defended outside of being in a group. Being a member of a group is the way to defend them.

  100. @Dissident

    http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2018/03/07/jews-make-19-forbes-200-worlds-richest-list/

    Jews are disproportionately represented on the roster of the richest business people, with 10 Jews among the top 50 (20%), and 38 (19%) Jews among first 200 world’s wealthiest.

    As for your efforts, you would have better luck nailing jello to a wall. The problem is status signaling. To break it down to its simplest, not poking the tiger would mean the tiger is more powerful then you. So if you want to show how powerful you are, you gradually escalate to the most nonsensical and harmful position. You can’t stop because if you do, other people will attack you because you aren’t powerful.

  101. Stick says:

    A couple of points –

    Most all the 67 race riots started in Jewish merchant areas dominated by pawn shops, furniture, auto lots and appliance stores featuring easy credit. See DC and Newark for examples. The exception was Detroit. Most of the Jewish merchants were also involved in low end apartment rental markets as well (AKA Slum Lords). There wasn’t a WASP, Neo Nazi or Confederate anywhere near these areas.

    ‘Jewish social marginalization’ was the same experienced by Irish Catholic marginalization’. The similarity was the expectation by new arrivals that previous co-ethnics would welcome and help them. For the Jews entering during 1870 through 1920 the established Jewish order in these areas dated from 1690 through 1840 and were primarily German Jews. For the Irish is was the protestant Irish that arrived as early as 1640s through 1770s. For obvious reasons, the earlier settled co-ethnics had on average at least two generations of separation or more from the recently arrived and were for all intents and purposes not pleased to be compared with their less than worthy distant relatives. In both cases the hurt and hatred these recent arrivals felt morphed into a hatred of White Anglo Saxon Protestants. Projection is a real thing.

    The most noticeable Jewish behavior it that of projection of the object of hate from a Jew to a Christian white. The same can be seen in Hawaii with the Japanese projecting their behavior onto whites with respect to local Hawaiians and Samoans.

    One other feature of large blocs of ethnic and racial subgroup immigration is the phenomena of second generation crazy. First generation immigrants are normally humble and hardworking. For some odd reason their sons and daughters become excessively predatory and violent towards the established majority.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Clyde
  102. @Travis

    Good point. White fertility is a major reason for the current demographics

  103. And while the traditional thinking is, you know, Aren’t Jews great because they became Zionist in ’67? as a student of American Jewish history, I’m really curious why the reaction was stronger in ’67 than even in 1948.

    Probably because the ’67 war was televised. Jews got to see Moshe Dayan with his eye patch dashing across the desert, ordering people around and looking quite the alpha male. It was a narcotic. Jews can be highly influenced by them pitchers. As was mentioned in Kevin MacDonald’s recent story, many Jews decided who they would vote for in the 1980 election merely by looking at the convention attendees on television.

  104. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Jews in contrast were a rich rent-seeking overclass,

    Bzzt, wrong. There were a handful of rich German Jews who had a 50 year head start on the American dream, but the vast bulk of American Jews came as penniless immigrants from the Russian Empire in the great Ellis Island wave. When they got off the boat they had no money, no education and most of them started off as sweatshop labor in the NY garment industry making pennies per piece.

    As time has gone on, the differential in intelligence between blacks and Jews has seen the Jews pull farther and farther away from blacks economically but this is a one or two generation phenomenon for most as Jews were lifted in the great postwar boom. The story of my wife’s family is typical – those in her generation are successful professionals, but growing up they lived modestly in a postwar tract home – their dad couldn’t go back to college after the war because he needed to feed his family which he did with a modest sales job (and pre-WWII even that modest position would have not been open to Jews) and he in turn grew up in ghetto poverty as the son of an immigrant housepainter – constantly moving because they could not pay the rent.

    “Rich Jews/ Jewish bankers” (along with Jews as Bolsheviks – somehow Jews are both rich AND Bolshevik) is a favorite anti-Semitic meme going back to the Nazis and before. My grandfather in Poland was neither rich nor a Bolshevik – he was just a poor fisherman trying to scratch out a living like Tevye. And yet somehow he had to pay the price (his life) for all the supposed rich Jews and Bolshevik Jews.

    Yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaires list but the entire billionaires list is only a few hundred people and there are millions of Jews in America, most of whom are neither rich nor members of the rent seeking class. Most don’t live in dysfunctional ghetto poverty like blacks but they are just middle class folks and only a generation or two removed from poverty.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  105. @Stick

    The exception was Detroit.

    I got the impression reading up on it last year that the Detroit riot of 1967 broke out in the formerly Jewish 12th Street (?) shopping area. It seemed like kind of a touchy point, however, so the text wasn’t too clear so perhaps I got this wrong.

    • Replies: @Stick
    , @Charles Pewitt
    , @Ian M.
  106. George says:

    “if blacks can advocate for blackness, then Jews can advocate for Jewishness”

    I am very suspicious of the idea that US elites take queues from Blacks. A better explanation is White Elites, exemplified by LBJ Nixon administrations’ inability to withdraw from Vietnam made Jews and everyone noticed the old ‘White’ elite was in a state of decay. Jews just filled a leadership void.

    This process happened before, British Americans aka WASPs, completely and corruptly handled WWI and its aftermath. Not exclusively British White Americans were the new elite. So you had Catholic Al Smith running for president.

    The war in Vietnam was the end of the White consensus Jews filled the gap. The war on terror will probably have the same effect on Jewish elites as people notice the people who know what they are doing are mostly Asian. I have no prediction if Jews will go down as peacefully as White, WASPS, and Yankees did or if they will go down like the Southern elites did. The Asian vs Jewish collision might be first manifesting itself in the regular accusation of Chinese American spying for China. It sort of reminds me of White America’s suspicion of Jewish spying for the Reds.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  107. BB753 says:

    Let’s be honest, Jews really never gave a hoot about Blacks and still don’t. It was always about themselves and their interests. In this case, mobilizing Blacks against the Wasp establishment to deal Wasps the final blow and take over.

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
    • Replies: @Anon
  108. Stick says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It may have been sparked there but the dynamic of 1967 Detroit is black versus Hillbillies. Then there were the Poles and other Eastern Europeans who didn’t like blacks in their neighborhoods. Go back a checkout the 1943 Detroit race riot. The 67 versions pale in comparison. It was truly a race war not a race riot. Also check out the reaction to busing in Boston and Detroit that happened somewhere around 1969. They were shooting school buses with the kids in them there. Nothing like this ever happened during the integration of southern schools in 1964.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
  109. @Jake

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Basin_Canal

    Work commenced the following year. Yellow fever ravaged workers in the swamp in back of town, and the loss of slaves was judged too expensive; so most of the work was done by Irish immigrant laborers. The Irish workers died in great numbers, but the Company had no trouble finding more men to take their place, as shiploads of poor Irishmen arrived in New Orleans. Many were willing to risk their lives in hazardous, back-breaking work for a chance to earn $1 a day. By 1838, after an expense of $1 million, the 60-foot (18 m) wide 3.17-mile (5.10 km) long canal was complete enough to be opened to small vessels drawing 6 feet (1.8 m), with $0.375 per ton charged for passage. Over the next decade the canal was enlarged to 12 feet (3.7 m) deep, 100 feet (30 m) wide, and with shell roads alongside.

    No official count was kept of the deaths of the immigrant workers; estimates ranging from 4,000 to 30,000 have been published, with most historical best guesses falling in the 8,000 to 20,000 dead range. Many were buried without a grave marker in the levee and roadway-fill beside the canal.

  110. Jack D says:

    You know, if blacks can advocate for blackness, then Jews can advocate for Jewishness. And in this sense, the Six Day War occurring in June of 1967 was perfectly timed to capture a whole bunch of young Jews who were nationalists in their proclivities, but didn’t have a place to put it. And there they could put it in Zionism.

    This is key to understanding Meir Kahane and all the Brooklyn born right wing settlers who populate the Israeli settlements in Judea & Samaria (aka the West Bank). Pre-1967 the trend among American Jews was toward total assimilation (Kahane himself went by “Mickey King” and had a Catholic girlfriend – when she found out that Kahane already had a wife and family she jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge and killed herself). Philip Roth used to say that in his entire 100% Jewish high school, not one kid wore a yarmulke – keeping your head covered was something that your bearded grandfather did (and maybe even not him) but that was all over with.

    But when black nationalism got going in ’60s America (and started pushing against Jewish interests – the Jews in Brooklyn were physically being pushed out/mugged out of their neighborhoods by blacks and there was a brief experiment in NY with school decentralization where the local black controlled school boards tried to get rid of their Jewish school teachers) the lightbulb went on in the heads of some American Jews that they should follow the example of the blacks. Kahane’s “Jewish Defense League” was patterned after the Black Panthers.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Ian M.
  111. Flip says:
    @snorlax

    He governed in part from the left with affirmative action, wage and price controls, taking us off the gold standard, the EPA. Maybe a lot of it was the spirit of the times.

  112. res says:
    @TheBoom

    Also worth noting is the capture of 1.3 million Europeans (many of whom were Irish and 2x the number of Africans brought to North America as slaves) by Barbary pirates who subsequently sold them into slavery.

    Any idea what conditions those slaves lived under and how their descendants did? Those would be interesting to compare to Black slaves in the US given their thriving population 150 years later.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  113. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    My impression, and that’s all it is, is that as Islam has increased its temporal power in the UK, whether by demography, or rape and bombings by its adherents, so Brits are less bothered about Muslims being mistreated in Palestine.

    That’s a consequence the deal the Jews are offering the Muslims: “We’re taking Palestine. To compensate we’ll give you access to new territory in Europe and the United States.”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Jack D
  114. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    “The fundamental principle that no majority people–but specifically and especially white gentiles”

    Except nobody forced Jewish integration on anyone. What’s the Jewish version of Brown v Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act, and the Fair Housing Act? In fact Jewish discrimination wasn’t that extensive and ended because of private social pressure.

    We are simply better people than the anti-semites, and we’ve consistently won the affection of the majority of Americans.

  115. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    True. Pop bids for teen girls always portray White men as dorks and dindus as badass. Look at most watched video Uptown Funk by (((Mark Ronson))). All races of men repped as coil, except White Men, who are shoeshines. Limbic manipulation of dumb, impressionable, m/c White girls, yet the most reproductively valuable demographic.

  116. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Um, when have Jews ever NOT advocated for jewishness?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  117. @syonredux

    I can’t tell where these blockquotes originate, but they share the assumption common to every other projection of a white minority America: that Hispanics are not, and will never be, white.

    That assumption is questionable at the least. Hispanics already self-identify as white by large majorities, and at least a quarter intermarry with non-Hispanic whites. Eliminate the special treatment given to “Hispanic or Latino” ethnicity, and they’ll likely become no more a distinct group than Italian-Americans are.

  118. You know, if blacks can advocate for blackness, and Jews can advocate for Jewishness, then whites can advocate for whiteness.

  119. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    Is this to say that black slaves in general were better treated than white laboreres? What source is being protected by the censorship?

  120. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753

    The idea is to have blacks interbreed with whites so as to weaken white identity and change the white genome.

  121. @Steve Sailer

    I got the impression reading up on it last year that the Detroit riot of 1967 broke out in the formerly Jewish 12th Street (?) shopping area. It seemed like kind of a touchy point, however, so the text wasn’t too clear so perhaps I got this wrong.

    Baby boomer Bigelow would’ve buried that tidbit about the Detroit Riots starting in a Jew shopping area in her movie Detroit.

    Bigelow is a big, beautiful Saxon type broad but she’s a coward compared to shorty firecracker Foster when it comes to dealing with the Deep State Jews who control Hollywood.

    Bigelow is another one with English and German ancestry. Sailer needs to talk more about Krauts and Limeys in the USA.

    All Jew talk and very little Kraut and Limey talk misses the big picture.

  122. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    When they advocated for assimilation. Look at all the pre-WWII Hollywood moguls – they were very careful to disguise their Jewishness. If there were any Jewish movie stars they took non-Jewish names (Issur Danielovich becomes Kirk Douglas). Many of them married non-Jewish wives, had Christmas trees in their house and even raised their children as Christians.

    There was in fact a generational shift from the “hide your Jewishness” of pre-1967 (the Holocaust was little spoken of then also, nothing like now) to the “I’m out (as Jewish) and I’m proud mentality of today – Irving Wallace’s kids change their name BACK to Wallechinsky. The Holocaust was Jews as losers, the ’67 War showed that Jews could be winners. Everyone (especially Americans) loves a winner.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @Dissident
  123. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    In fact Jewish discrimination wasn’t that extensive and ended because of private social pressure.

    It depends what you mean by “extensive” – while there was no formal Jim Crow for Jews (and in fact, as Steve has pointed out, local (not Yankee carpetbagger) Jews were even more well accepted in the South than in other regions), private discrimination in the ’20s and ’30s was quite pervasive – not just the proverbial country clubs but ordinary hotels, employment with big corporations, enrollment in universities, eligibility to be on staff at hospitals, etc. When Augusta National was founded, local Jewish industrialists were among its founding members, but later on when it became truly national (and when the great smelly Ellis Island wave lowered the public estimation of Jews) Jews were excluded – the situation of Jews in America actually deteriorated after WWI.

    The situation of Jews was better than for blacks and better than it was in Europe but it was far from perfect. It didn’t just mean that a few rich Jews couldn’t join a WASP country club – it had real everyday implications for ordinary American Jews. When you went on a trip you had to be sure to book a hotel that was not restricted. My step FIL was advised to study civil engineering instead of chemical because you could practice the former privately while no big publicly traded chemical company would hire Jews. Jews were certainly able to make a life for themselves in America but certain doors were shut to them and they weren’t just the doors to the country club as Steve would have you believe.

    The end of discrimination against Jew was driven in part by the civil rights movement and laws – the same laws that prohibited race discrimination also prohibited religious discrimination. My MIL was able to get a job with Yale & Towne (as a draftswoman) during WWII because Federal contracts (even then) had non-discrimination requirements – before war, Y&T, like most big Philadelphia corporations, would never have hired a Jew. The Civil Rights Act of ’64 put the last nail in the coffin of most forms of discrimination.

    Also the Holocaust made anti-Semitism (and eugenics) disreputable. Before WWII, “polite” discrimination (and in the US it was mostly polite – even as discrimination was practiced it was shrouded in euphemism – hotels advertised that they were “restricted” but you were supposed to understand what “restricted” meant) was accepted as being part of the social order – not everyone agreed with it but if you practiced it, that was considered within the range of legitimate opinion. But after the war, anti-Semitism was understood as leading to the Holocaust and its practice by people in the mainstream was no longer seen as tolerable.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @snorlax
    , @AnotherDad
    , @Ian M.
  124. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “Don Drysdale was 56 when he died of a heart attack at Le Centre Sheraton in Montreal, Quebec, on July 3, 1993″

    As far as I know the last great side arm pitcher. He was 6ft 6in.

    Nicknamed “Big D” by fans, Drysdale used brushback pitches and a sidearm fastball to intimidate batters,[3] similar to his fierce fellow Hall of Famer Bob Gibson. His 154 hit batsmen remains a modern National League record.

    Drysdale was a good hitting pitcher. In 14 seasons he had 218 hits, including 29 home runs. Drysdale was occasionally used as a pinch-hitter, once during the World Series.[5]

  125. Clyde says:
    @Anon

    That’s a consequence the deal the Jews are offering the Muslims: “We’re taking Palestine. To compensate we’ll give you access to new territory in Europe and the United States.”

    Jews have collectively been blind and weak on mass third world immigration and flooding into America. They have no sway on this in Europe. Too many influential Chuck Schumer types are active open borders promoters to make a permanent Democrat majority.

    But the Jewish – Muslim “deal” you mention is 100% hallucination. Western Europe obviously has brought in lots more Muslims than America and Jews don’t have much political pull there. Europeans have even caved on polygamous marriages and allowed multiple wife Muslim families to all clamp onto the generous social welfare teat. It would be racist – Islamophobic to do otherwise. (/sarcasm)

    Jack Straw? One eighth Jewish or less.

  126. @Anon

    Hard to underestimate what the failure of supposed messiah Sabbatai Tzvi/Zevi meant to Jews in the 17th century. The crisis was nearly in proportion to the Holocaust two centuries later in terms of affecting Jewish identity. This is the root of the transition of Judaism from religion to ideology.

    Very, very interesting comment. Please adopt a handle and comment more often.

    I wonder if the same thing is playing out in Protestant Christianity. Eschatology figured quite prominently in American Protestantism through the 20th century. I know a surprising number of people who have told me, with some sadness, that they always expected that the Lord would have returned by now. But here we still are, so Protestants now sacralize homosexuality and adopt social justice tropes in their own version of Tikkun Olam.

    One of the more famous “The End Is Near” types was Hal Lindsey. He even wrote a book titled, The 1980′s: Countdown to Armageddon. He briefly moved to Israel to be in on the ground floor of the Eschaton. Hal is now 89 years old and still waiting on the Rapture.

    • Replies: @Warner
    , @Anonymous
  127. Chase says:

    All this writing to just hide the simple issue: Jews do what they (as in each Jew) think is best for Jews. They can and often do disagree what is best for Jews, but that doesn’t change that they will do what they think is best for their people. If it’s help black people in the 50′s and then toss them overboard in the 60′s, so be it. This is not complicated.

    White people have a really hard time not thinking like White people.

  128. @Chris Renner

    True. If we count people like Senator Rubio, Ted Cruz and their children as white then America will still have a white majority population for another 50 years. Although American Blue eyed Blondes may no longer exist in the year 2100 , most of the mestizos may continue to self identify was white. The bigger concern is the African-American population. Within the next 45 years Blacks will become 20% of the population. Already the youth population of America is 15% Black.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  129. Clyde says:
    @Stick

    The same can be seen in Hawaii with the Japanese projecting their behavior onto whites with respect to local Hawaiians and Samoans.

    Japanese-Americans control Hawaii. Maybe it’s the heat or that Hawaii is a supposed tropical paradise, but these are the most incompetent Japanese on the planet. Japan is governed 100x more competently. Maybe the Hawaiian Japanese just don’t care because they got theirs and the rest of Hawaii can go down down the tubes. The government response to the recent volcano eruptions has been slow and pathetic compared to what is done in Iceland.

    And all they elect is Democrat Reps and Senators to go to DC and 99% of the time they are of Japanese heritage. What an Island Freakshow that also spawned Hussein Obama.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  130. Jim Given says:

    Israel in the 1960′s was a David and Goliath story: tiny Israel, constantly warred upon by all the surrounding Arab countries, who were dedicated to the destruction of Israel, stood up and defended itself heroically. This was the exact opposite of the Vietnam War, to which one of course was opposed. One said, “Israel is different.”

  131. @Lot

    “We are simply better people than the anti-semites, and we’ve consistently won the affection of the majority of Americans.”

    We consider ourselves better people than the gentiles, and we’ve consistently used our positions of influence to shut down any dissent from the majority of Americans.

    FIFY.

    • Replies: @Lot
  132. Logan says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    He appealed to everybody except Muslims, who were the bad guys then.

    Nahh. What Muslims were in 1963 was invisible.

  133. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    To compensate we’ll give you access to new territory in Europe

    Most anti-Semites are delusional to some extent but the idea that the Jews ran the show in postwar Europe to the extent that they had the ability to grant/deny access to Muslims is ESPECIALLY delusional.

    Jews had absolutely nothing to do with the decisions that led to millions of Muslims being allowed into Western Europe. None, nada, zilch. If you want to blame someone, blame Hitler and the Kaiser whose decisions led to the slaughter of millions of young European men, leading to postwar labor shortages.

    • Agree: sayless
  134. @Pat Hannagan

    “The assassination of both Kennedy’s had a great effect on the trajectory of the USA and the world in general. JFK’s resulted in the Vietnam war (National Security Memo 273).”

    Wrong. JFK’s support for the assassination of President Ngo Dinh Diem resulted in large scale US involvement in the Vietnam War. Even before the deaths of Diem and JFK (within weeks of each other), the number of US military personnel had increased dramatically. From 700 on day 1 of the Kennedy administration to 17,000 in November of 1963.

    “and Robert’s in Israel going nuclear.”

    Wrong again. CIA and other western intelligence agencies say that Israel’s first usable nuclear device was complete in 1966 (two years before RFK was shot). Construction of the Israeli reactor at Dimona began in 1958.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    , @Anonymous
  135. Lot says:
    @Neuday

    Crime is extremely low in California. San Diego is the lowest crime city in the USA with more than a million people, San Jose is number two. Simi Valley is the lowest crime city over 100,000 (some years in might trade places with others).

    Crime isn’t the reason people leave the state, it is taxes, cost of living, and cultural alienation. Though if you are an elderly middle class retired homeowner, taxes are lower on you than most of the USA due to Prop 13. Typical older retired boomer might have an $800,000 house and pay $750 a year in property taxes. The same house in many parts of NJ or TX they’d pay $10,000-$25,000 a year.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  136. @Moses

    Jews, like any group, have group interests. And those interests often are not in alignment with White American interests.

    Most taxonomies of human ethnicity consider Ashkenazi a sub group of white Euro ethnicity. Just like Russian, English, German, and Italian, are all distinct sub-ethnicities of white, Ashkenazi is a sub-ethnicity of white.

    Group interests aren’t perfect. Hillary Clinton is white: specifically Dutch, English, Scottish, and Welsh. I certainly feel a closer affiliation to black Republicans than to a white Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  137. @Steve Sailer

    Drysdale retired fairly young. He could easily have pitched another five or so more years after ’69, and perhaps as middle reliever during LA’s ’74 NL Pennant winning season.

  138. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    When you had a big wave of poor Russian Jewish immigrants, sure there was discrimination. That was an issue of numbers, not antisemitism. The same applied to Irish, German, Slavic, and Italian immigrants. The fact that Harvard’s “Jewish quota” still allowed us about a 4x representation over our population share is indicative of the extent of this: not very much.

    I see your family anecdotes, and respond I don’t have any at all. As in, I have never heard my family members born 1920-1950 ever complain of even the slightest discrimination.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  139. AndrewR says:
    @bjdubbs

    You can accuse the Jews of many things, but political stupidity is not really one of them. If they were politically stupid then no one would fear making mild criticisms of them. “On the Political Stupidity of White People” could fill up volumes, OTOH. Then again, people would probably fear writing that too since it would contain unpleasant facts about other groups.

  140. Tyrion 2 says: • Website

    1967 is up there with the greatest moments in warfare. It is especially admirable for how quick and relatively clean it was. Kutuzov’s tactical retreat to Moscow, it was not. It is therefore very easy to see how 1967 captured so many people’s imaginations especially as the antithesis to the fact that the West learned all of the wrong lessons from the Holocaust.

    If we are not to repeat history we must learn from it, and the twin lessons of the Holocaust are that one should not passively go into the night nor admire/respect others for doing so. Israel is well-placed among developed countries to understand this.

    Perhaps we can learn a bit from them?

    https://observeorientdecideandwrite.wordpress.com

    • Replies: @hyperbola
  141. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Not even sophistry, you’ve read the same tweets and headlines I have about how “Jews were never white” and “Dear Fellow White People.” This is easily observed and totally separate from literal skin color.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  142. syonredux says:
    @Chris Renner

    I can’t tell where these blockquotes originate,

    Audacious Epigone:

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/

    , but they share the assumption common to every other projection of a white minority America: that Hispanics are not, and will never be, white.

    An understandable assumption. The overwhelming majority of Latinx in the USA are Mestizo:

     

     the median Native American ancestry for the Hispanic/Latino group is 38% 
      compared to 0.1% for the European American group (Figure 1B).  

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/05/30/333609.full.pdf+html

    That assumption is questionable at the least. Hispanics already self-identify as white by large majorities,

    Default choice. There is no racial box for Mestizo. The more important question is: How many actually view themselves as White? I’ve never met a Mestizo who personally (i.e., in a non-census context) identifies as White.

    and at least a quarter intermarry with non-Hispanic whites

    But will the children think of themselves as Anglo-Whites? Or as Latinx?

    . Eliminate the special treatment given to “Hispanic or Latino” ethnicity,

    The chances of racial set-asides being eliminated for Latinx are somewhere between slim and none.

    and they’ll likely become no more a distinct group than Italian-Americans are.

    Italians are European. Latinx are Mestizo/Amerind:

    • Replies: @syonredux
  143. @Logan

    Read it. He foresaw what the Nation of Islam would turn into, as well as the Black Panthers, MOVE in Philly, the LA Riots, Ferguson, etc. …. MLK had his flaws, but his church-goin’ protesters were a thousand times preferable to the militants who followed and supplanted them.

  144. syonredux says:
    @Lot

    , and cultural alienation.

    A huge factor.As I know from personal experience, Living in a neighborhood that is majority Latinx is very depressing.

  145. syonredux says:
    @Clyde

    Japanese-Americans control Hawaii. Maybe it’s the heat or that Hawaii is a supposed tropical paradise, but these are the most incompetent Japanese on the planet.

    Selective immigration? Weren’t most of the Japanese who immigrated to Hawaii drawn from the bottom tiers of Japanese society?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Anonymous
  146. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    no big publicly traded chemical company would hire Jews.

    Bullshit, 2, 3, 4, 5.

    before war, Y&T, like most big Philadelphia corporations, would never have hired a Jew.

    Bullshit.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  147. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    Well, I want to hope against all facts that it will not come, because they way I understand it to work is literally Sesame Credit for America (you are tagged to all future employers and landlords as a “registered bigot”), but there really are good reasons to doubt it will succeed, for example within the Jewish community there are more and more people who are no longer on the ’67 bandwagon.

  148. syonredux says:
    @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro

    If we count people like Senator Rubio, Ted Cruz and their children as white

    Cruz and Rubio are Cubans. Cubans are not at all representative of the American Latinx population.

    Although American Blue eyed Blondes may no longer exist in the year 2100 ,

    Americans with blue eyes and fair hair will still exist in 2100. There will just be far fewer of them.

  149. @Jack D

    That last statement is true. Florence King said there was a huge turnaround in anti-Semitism among the good ol’ boys after the Six-Day War. People said things like, “Durn, them Jew-boys sure can fight!” One wanted Moshe Dayan to run for president in the US, because “that one-eyed bastid could wipe the floor with anybody!”

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  150. hyperbola says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Funny how Sirhan managed to stand 6 feet in front of Kennedy and administer a shot in the head from 6 inches behind.

    CIA role claim in Kennedy killing

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm

    New video and photographic evidence that puts three senior CIA operatives at the scene of Robert Kennedy’s assassination has been brought to light.

    The evidence is a result of a three year investigation

    The evidence was shown in a report by Shane O’Sullivan, broadcast on BBC Newsnight.

    It reveals that the operatives and four unidentified associates were at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles in the moments before and after the shooting on 5 June, 1968.

    The CIA had no domestic jurisdiction and some of the officers were based in South-East Asia at the time, with no reason to be in Los Angeles. …..

    Kennedy brothers likely killed by CIA on behalf of Israel: Scholar

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/05/28/rfk-cia/

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @Anon
  151. @Jack D

    Jews had absolutely nothing to do with the decisions that led to millions of Muslims being allowed into Western Europe. None, nada, zilch. If you want to blame someone,

    That’s not true. Some of the top leadership that pushed the migration into Europe were absolutely Jewish. George Soros, lead Obama staffer Ben Rhodes who is half Jewish (half Episcopalian WASP?), and influential media figures like David Brooks or Bari Weiss, the Jewish writers at Vox, Jon Stewart have all advocated this. However, while these people may be Jewish by ancestry, their passionate tribal affiliation lies more with the political left than with Judaism. Most also side with the Arabs against Israel and oppose the premise of Israel as an ethno-state. The exceptions to that are Brooks and Weiss who have an active tribal affiliation with Judaism and stronger support for Israel.

    The other side that spoke critically of this freedom of migration also features many people who happen to be Jewish like Dennis Prager, Mickey Kaus, Ilana Mercer and in France there is Alain Finkielkraut and Eric Zemmour.

    I’m pro-Jewish, pro-Israel. I do see anti-Jewish sentiment on these corners of the Internet, I don’t sympathize with that, but there is one criticism I do sympathize with that is reasonable: If white Americans and white Europeans are not supposed to prefer their culture to any other culture, and they aren’t allowed to limit immigration, the same rule should apply to Jews. Most Jews mentioned above are completely consistent on this. The exception is David Brooks, Bari Weiss, and the commentarymagazine types who argue it’s rank bigotry for white people in Europe or the US to keep any type of cultural identity that excludes others, while Jews can have their ethno nation state, and can have Jewish exclusive schools, and Jewish exclusive culture, and attempt to marry other Jews to produce exclusively Jewish children.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  152. hyperbola says:
    @Tyrion 2

    If we had “learned the lessons” we would have put an end to “chosen-people” propaganda aimed at estalishing privileges for themselves long ago.

    The oppressed become the oppressors: Post WWII Zionists used concentration camps in Palestine

    https://www.sott.net/article/387034-The-oppressed-become-the-oppressors-Post-WWII-Zionists-used-concentration-camps-in-Palestine

    Declassified documents have revealed that post World War II Jewish Zionists used ethnic cleansing in Palestine in the late 1940′s. Israeli soldiers imprisoned thousands of Palestinian civilians within at least 22 Zionist-run concentration and labour camps that existed from 1948 to 1955. The documents reveal some horrific information regarding the living conditions and health concerns of men, women and children who were forced into these concentration camps. This may not come as a surprise to many historians as the facts have been documented. However, historically many people who have attempted to bring these facts to light have been condemned as anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists. The release of these documents conclusively proves this (once taboo) portion of history has in fact been covered up. [1], [2], [3]. ……

  153. Flip says:
    @Moses

    Edgar Bronfman Jr. had a black wife.

  154. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    “the median Native American ancestry for the Hispanic/Latino group is 38%
    compared to 0.1% for the European American group (Figure 1B). ”

    Don’t know why, but the Amerind percentage for the “Hispanic/Latino group” (38% ) was omitted from my post.

  155. hyperbola says:
    @Jack D

    The Weaponisation of the Refugee
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe (Part 2 of an 11 Part Series)

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/the-weaponisation-of-the-refugee/

    Artificial mass migration as imperial policy has a long history. To illustrate this, we will cite a few historical examples….. In the nineteenth century, Imperial Belgium imported hundreds of thousands of Rwandan Tutsi workers to the Congo to staff their work colonies. This artificial migration policy of Belgian imperialism has played a major role in the context fueling the current ethnic cleansing and ongoing neo-colonial proxy wars being carried out by the US/Israeli and European powers in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the US /Israeli Tutsi puppet regime of Paul Kagame is murdering and pillaging on behalf of Western corporations. The Wall Street Journal has ironically described Kagame’s Zionist puppet regime ‘The Israel of Africa’……

    Rothschild’s “Slaughter Ships”
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe (Part 4 of an 11 Part Series)

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/rothschilds-slaughter-ships/

    Austrian intelligence officials have reportedly revealed that US government agencies are paying for the transport of migrants to Europe. On August 5th, 2015 Austrian magazine Infodirekt reported:….

  156. @Jack D

    As time has gone on, the differential in intelligence between blacks and Jews has seen the Jews pull farther and farther away from blacks economically but this is a one or two generation phenomenon for most as Jews were lifted in the great postwar boom.

    Jack, when I contrasted blacks and Jews, I wasn’t even talking specifically about America, but about their long respective histories of interactions with whites.

    That anyone seriously even vaguely equates the experiences of blacks and Jews in the United States is just a pathetic joke. But there you go.

    Look, everyone has the hard struggling immigrant ancestor story. You want me to trot out my potato famine fleeing great-grandparents? Yawn. Heck, anyone who is pure WASP–unless they really kept the line assiduously clean–has hundreds of immigrant ancestors some of whom almost certainly came as indentured servants–quasi slaves. Sorry, your ancestors were not “oppressed” in America because they did sweatshop labor. Life was hard for most folks–you didn’t have great skills or rich parents, you worked your ass off. The comfy life of we suburban boomers have had is not the human norm. If your ancestors didn’t like it–go back.

    Again here’s the side-by-side I actually said:

    Other than “minority” they could not be more polar opposites. The blacks were a poor working underclass class, kept separate by the white majority. Jews in contrast were a rich rent-seeking overclass, kept separate by their rejection of integration with the majority.

    Simplified:
    Blacks
    – historically poor, mostly unskilled, originally slaves
    – happy to integrate with whites; refused integration by whites
    Jews
    – historically rich, mostly skilled, neither slaves nor serfs; free to leave
    – refused to integrate with whites; developed an entire ideology to keep themselves separate as a tribe

    Again the reason we have all these poor Tevye style Jews by the 18th century is not because Jews were consistently on those patches of land the last 2000 years, scratching out a meager living. Rather, it’s the reverse. It’s because Jews were historically *rich*–from money lending, trading, tax-farming, skilled trades–relative to the median European and had such a large population expansion relative to their gentile neighbors, that they simply outstripped the carrying capacity of their middle-man minority “ecological niche” of those regions and the excess had to spill onto the land. (Contray to conventional wisdom today, we can’t all make a living from “financial services”–trading and rent seeking–someone’s actually gotta work.)

    Simply put the Jews as somehow kinda like the blacks of Europe is just utter nonsense. An analogy so ahistorical and ridiculous, it could only thrive in the sort of environment we have today–intense propaganda and blinders strapped on tight to keep anyone from noticing and questioning.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  157. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    I see your family anecdotes, and respond I don’t have any at all. As in, I have never heard my family members born 1920-1950 ever complain of even the slightest discrimination.

    My father discussed his wartime experiences fairly openly (although I now know from reading other survivor accounts from the same camps that things were even worse than he told me about even though what he told me about was already pretty bad – I don’t know whether he repressed the worst of these memories himself or just didn’t want to tell me about them, but either way I understand). But I know of Holocaust survivor families where their parents never said a word to their kids. Nada, nothing, zilch. Families react differently to trauma and how many “stories from the old days” they tell their kids (not that the trauma that American Jews experienced was anything remotely comparable to the Holocaust). If you watch the Skip Gates “Finding Your Roots” shows, most of the time people know little or nothing about their family history (and what they think they know is often wrong).

    1950 is casting the net too broadly. Aside from a few snooty clubs that held out until the ’70s and beyond, institutional anti-Semitism in US took a hit after WWII and another hit after the ’64 Civil Rights Act and was largely a dead letter for anyone who was born starting in the Roosevelt Administration and reached adulthood in the ’50s. There are fewer and fewer people left who are still alive and lucid enough to remember adult life before 1945. I am fortunate in that my MIL (born ’22) is still very much alive and kicking and has all her marbles and can speak lucidly about the pre-War period.

    Again, as I said before, Jews in America in that period could still have a happy and prosperous life (at least until the Depression) in a sort of separate but equal world where they lived in all Jewish neighborhoods, attended all Jewish public schools, patronized mostly Jewish businesses, went to Jewish doctors, etc. (And this was not that different than the experience of say Italian or Polish Catholic immigrants at the same time). But not all doors were open to them and even doors that had previously been open were later shut or left open only a crack – maybe this was an understandable backlash due to the large # of Jews who arrived at the turn of the century but whatever the cause it was real and is historically documented regardless of whether your family members chose not to speak of it.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Karl
    , @AnotherDad
  158. Flip says:
    @hyperbola

    I think that the CIA/military/LBJ offed JFK because they thought he was a soft on communism traitor (c.f. JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglass or various Jacob Hornberger articles) and if that were the case then they would have to take out RFK as well to keep the cover up going once he got close to being elected.

  159. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    I understand now. Hitler had to murder my poor fisherman grandfather (and his wife and 1/2 his kids and their infant families) because his ancestors were rich tax farmers in 17th century Poland. It’s all clear to me know.

  160. Karl says:
    @J.Ross

    22 J.Ross > The “story” here is that a respectable academic

    no one at Ariel University, thinks that a historian at SFSU is a “respectable academic”

    hells bells – no one at the agricultural junior college in Katzrin, thinks that a historian at SFSU is a “respectable academic”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  161. syonredux says:
    @Jack D

    in a sort of separate but equal world

    I do hope that you understand the absurdity of making comparisons to Jim Crow…..

    where they lived in all Jewish neighborhoods,

    Not hard to find Jews who lived in ethnically mixed neighborhoods….

    attended all Jewish public schools,

    Dunno. My Jewish grandfather used to talk about all the Irish and Italian kids in his High School……

    patronized mostly Jewish businesses,

    Lots of non-Jews patronized mostly Jewish businesses during that period….

    • Replies: @Jack D
  162. Jack D says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    I was simply pointing out that postwar Europe (especially Germany) was largely Judenrein so they couldn’t possibly be calling the shots. Even now, I don’t think Merkel is taking her marching orders from Bari Weiss if she even knows who Bari Weiss is.

    The main motivator for letting in millions of (Muslim) Turks into Germany was not the supposed Jooish desire for open borders but the needs of German industrialists to man their factories in the postwar boom and in the absence of millions of young German men whose frozen bodies are buried on the Russian steppes. Ditto for all the Pakis in Britain, Moroccans in France, etc. You can’t blame Jon Stewart for this.

  163. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Attack on US embassy in Persia was 1979-80 12 years after the 67 Arab Israel war. The American sympathy for Israel was due to massive propaganda effort by American Jews. Remember book and movie Exodus?

    Plus every public high school and college library was full of WW2 history books emphazing Jewish martyrdom during WW2.

    Plus Rabbi Kahane was preparing the ground for a massive jump of Russian Jews from the Bolshevik disaster they created with endless propaganda about his Jews were sooooo abused in Russia.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Hhsiii
  164. Karl says:
    @Pericles

    76 Pericles > you could get whipped in the Navy long after slavery ended

    corporal punishment in the US Navy was abolished by commodore Levy

    the base synagogue at NOB has a plaque about it.

  165. sayless says:
    @Anon

    If Tom Wolfe…

    Who is he, Priss?

  166. @Pat Hannagan

    What a stupendously stupid and spiteful statement.

    The assassination of both Kennedy’s had a great effect on the trajectory of the USA and the world in general. JFK’s resulted in the Vietnam war (National Security Memo 273) and Robert’s in Israel going nuclear.

    Yawn.

    Pat, all US Presidents have some sort of “effect” on history, and ergo assassinated or otherwise dies in office or doesn’t get elected has some sort of “effect” on history. That doesn’t make them “great leaders”.

    Your two examples are frankly ridiculous. Lyndon Johnson didn’t drag us into Vietnam courtesy of the advice of all his advisors that he dragged into the White House from Southwest Texas State Teachers College. No we went into Vietnam on the advice of all of Kennedy’s “best and brightest” crew from Harvard. Vietnam was a policy delivered by Kennedy, Harvard and the Democratic party’s policy establishment. Heck, NSAM-273 that you reference was prepared by Kennedy’s people, for Kennedy. Johnson signed it days after assuming office. Citing NSAM-273 is not making your point but disproving it. This was Kennedy administration policy–cooked up by his people for him.

    As for Robert Kennedy and Israel nuclearizing … please. What sort of baroque stupidity.

    The Israelis developed nuclear weapons … because they work! Nukes are the big swinging dick of “don’t mess with me or else”. Why China, India, South Africa, Pakistan, the Norks, Saddam, Iran … were also interested in getting them, and a bunch of other folks (e.g. Japan) have probably done the work to be “ready” on short order.

    ~~~

    I don’t deify prominent people just because they are of my ethnic group. Heck, swooning and slobbering all over anyone is embarassing. Much of this Kennedy stuff over the years reminds one of teeny boopers swooning over the Beatles. It’s pathetic.

    Would America have been “saved” if Kennedy wasn’t assinated? … no. Was Kennedy some sort of exceptional leader with great policies to lead America? … uh … no. Mostly Kennedy had pretty ordinary establishment policies–unsurprising since his background and his team was “Eastern Establishment”. If Kennedy deviated from “what we’d otherwise have gotten”, it was probably for the worse. Bobby would have been worse, with more poorly thought out “liberalism”.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  167. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    I was speaking of the interwar period, when American anti-Semitism really got going. The situation before the ’20s was different (there were no Jewish quotas for American universities then, etc. either). The Epstein patents are all from 1917 or before . Epstein could get hired by Y&T in 1917 but not in 1937. At the Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons, the percentage of Jewish students fell to 6 percent from 47 percent between 1920 and 1940.

    There were always exceptions – you might try to keep Jews out of your corporation as much as possible but a few guys were just too good to turn away – these were businesses after all. But you would be careful to limit the numbers lest your company get a reputation as being a place where a lot of Jews work, which would be undesirable for your broader recruiting efforts. Maybe the Jewish quota was not set at zero but you would set it at some very low number and try to find Jews who were not too “Jewy”. When Feynman applied to Princeton grad school in 1939, the head of the dept. wrote to his buddy at MIT : “Is Feynman Jewish? We have no definite rule against Jews but have to keep their proportion in our department reasonably small because of the difficulty of placing them.” Morse wrote back that Feynman was indeed Jewish, but reassured Smyth that Feynman’s “physiognomy and manner, however, show no trace of this characteristic”.

    Is “David X Klein” even Jewish? X usually stands for Xavier which is usually a Catholic name. Klein (small) is a surname found among both Jews and non-Jews.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Anon
    , @Captain Tripps
  168. Karl says:
    @AndrewR

    89 AndrewR > But Palestinians are, on average, significantly swarthier than Jews

    if you go to the small city of Rosh ha’Ayin and hang out with the elderly, you can find the original stock of Yemenite-Jew immigrants to Israel. They run short-statured – and dark. Like all the other Yemenites.

    Their kids had no particular interest in maintaining the “tribe”. So they all married whoever.

    Yemenites used to be the poster-child beloved of the jew-SJW’s of New York….. now it’s the ethiopians who get showered with extra money from America.

    I don’t doubt that the ethiopian chicks are proud on their background. On the other hand, no Rosenstein ever lost money by stocking lots of hair-straightener and blonde hair-dye in his bodega in the Ethiopian neighborhood.

    Go watch the youtubes of the (Hebrew) local television show, entitled “The heart is full” SJW T.Aviv ashkenazi writers and producers making nice about how loveable the ethiopians are.

    please note: I got no problems with the ethiopians. They run low-IQ, and a bit criminal….. but they’re loyal to the State. Like the Filipinos, in many ways.

    A little bit of hair-straightening, and the chicks are fuckable.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  169. Karl says:
    @Jack D

    160 Jack D > my MIL (born ’22) is still very much alive and kicking and has all her marbles and can speak lucidly about the pre-War period

    ask her if there were any pizza joints outside of Little Italy, in those days.

    Mexican restuarants exploded next.

    then Vietnamese.

    Nowadays, I see bagel joints at US Navy base food courts.

    Which ethnic food is next?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  170. @AnotherDad

    I was referring to http://www.jfklancer.com/NSAM273.html

    I understand you hate the Irish and are sick of the Kennedys, I understand that with a lot of the iSteve crew but having your President killed, and obviously not by a “lone nut” but as the result of a conspiracy which was deliberately whitewashed in the Warren Commission created by the succeeding Vice President, and then later that President’s brother, who most certainly would have become president, also being murdered should get every red, white and blue Yank righteous to defend his sovereignty.

    Don’t let your petty animosities get in the way of a quest for the truth. If you need your history spoon fed by those on the same political aisle as yourself then try reading Roger Stone’s The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ.

    Hopefully Trump will release everything that he possible can in relation to JFK’s assasination as he promised to do.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Brutusale
  171. @Lot

    In fact Jewish discrimination wasn’t that extensive and ended because of private social pressure.

    Lot, you’re argument isn’t with me. As i’ve repeatedly said, no middle man minority in the history of the world has ever been treated better than Jews have been treated by Americans.

    But JackD will go chapter and verse with you on his poor put-upon tail of woe.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  172. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Or, y’know, that whole Marxist revolution thing that was happening at the time and which contemporary Jews identified with enthusiastically.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  173. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    Of course they didn’t literally have gates on the ghettos in order to lock the Jews in every night like the Jews of Venice. Even on the Lower East Side, one block might be Jewish and a couple of blocks over it was Little Italy and there might be a borderline block that was somewhat mixed or shifting as immigrant groups came and went (and the local public school might draw from both sides of the line). It was not completely rigid (and yes certain trades were dominated by certain ethnic groups but even in the Hollywood movie clip they recognize that there are Irish pawnbrokers too, even if they close on Yom Kippur as a matter of professional courtesy).

    But day to day (and the same is true today in Hispanic areas) you could live such a Jewish/Italian/Polish life that a lot of the old people would never even learn more than rudimentary English (if any).

    • Replies: @syonredux
  174. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Karl

    You’re pretending that you don’t understand the meaning of the term. If academia worked they way you imply then what purpose would there be in hounding Finkelstein out of his job? Why would tenure exist?

  175. Jack D says:
    @Karl

    Actually “Jewish delis” (many of which served non-kosher food) were, in their heyday, popular among non-Jews as well as Jews. Back in the day a lot of ethnic restaurant were found mostly in ethnic neighborhoods but people of all ethnic groups would journey to those neighborhoods to partake – you might go to Little Italy for “macaroni” (pasta), Chinatown for chop suey, etc. What is different now is that the pizza comes to you instead of you having to go to the pizza.

  176. Thea says:
    @Jack D

    There is a long list of Jewish politicians in Great Britain that have been pushing for exactly this. Sure some were not Jewish. But it is undeniable they pushed for this and continue to support it.

    Modern urban life has pampered British men to the point that they are so effeminate they allowed this to happen and now pimp out their daughters to “grooming gangs” and arrest those who sound the alarm. So to some extent they did it to themselves but they were pushed this way in those shell shocked post wwii years.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  177. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    Don’t be silly. Nobody is claiming that Trump’s son-in-law is a person of colour. Nor his daughter…

    Somehow you’ve decided that you’re smart because you take the dumbest throwaway comments from the stupidest Jews and
    decide that they therefore must be true.

    This is ridiculous. And pathetic.

  178. @Jack D

    Jack, let’s say all your sob stories are true. (And yes, Jews did suffer the cruel lash of Protestants limiting Jewish enrollment in their Protestant unis to 5x Jewish population share rather than letting them become a majority. Those nasty Prods!) So what?

    In a free society, people are supposed to be … uh … free. Free to make whatever social arrangements they want. Free to associate or not with people according to their whims.

    Stereotypes are–statistically–true. Jews have certain patterns of behavior (pushy, crude, loud, arrogant) that some gentile groups find “unappealing”. As Steve pointed out, the German Jews, generally found the eastern, pale-of-settlement Jews to be rude and crude … and these are their fellow Jews! Heck, certain gentile groups find other gentile groups to be “unappealing”. This is the human norm practiced by Jews, whites, Chinese, Indians, Arabs, Latins, blacks, etc. etc. Someone I get the impression JackD doesn’t knock off work and go knock back a pint with the bruthas of Philadelphia. Why not? Maybe they have some “patterns of behavior” you don’t fancy? Some ethnic stereotyping at play?

    Furthermore, it’s particularly ridiculous to get this “you’re discriminating!” crap from Jews of all people–a people who specifically *rejected* integrated with their neighbors in favor of tribal loyalty and down through the centuries enforced that rejection of integration religiously. Jews complaining of exclusion is really the pot calling the kettle black.

    Jews having Jewish country clubs, organizations, civil society and doing ethnic networking–Jewish solidarity!
    Some gentile groups having gentile country clubs, organizations, civil society and networking–anti-Semitism!

    Sorry, no one is under any moral or ethnical obligation to socialize or do business with anyone else. Least of all with Ashkenazi Jews a group whose very existence is a rejection of integration with their neighbors.

  179. Warner says:
    @Moses

    Lenny Kravitz’s dad?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  180. @Jack D

    “Ditto for all the Pakis in Britain”

    Utter nonsense: less than 400,000 UK servicemen died in WW2. compared to 5 million Germans.

    And 220,000 Poles stayed in the UK after WW2 rather than return to Poland, together with tens of thousands of others who didn’t want to experience Soviet rule, making up for much of the shortfall.

  181. syonredux says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    “Don’t let your petty animosities get in the way of a quest for the truth. If you need your history spoon fed by those on the same political aisle as yourself then try reading Roger Stone’s The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ.”

    Here’s a vastly better book:

    Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy
    by Vincent Bugliosi

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002GKGBM8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  182. Warner says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I usually comment with this handle. Realized I forgot to type it in just after I clicked send.

    Yes, it’s very interesting. I was not raised religious, but have taken a great interest lately and it’s very, very interesting the role religious beliefs play in today’s non-religious ideologies.

    Nobody in media takes religion seriously (like it’s a role-play card game or some weird hobby for freaks) but if you do, you don’t have to be a believer of any sort, but it answers all sorts of questions about today’s social and political climate that can’t fully be explained otherwise.

    When I ask liberal friends to explain their social beliefs in depth, they all come down to religious questions. The secular eschatology of all mankind holding hands at some vague point in the future when their ideology is fully implemented. The secular creation story, secular morality. They all have a not-quite-scientific resonance. But whether you believe in one true church, false Gods, or all roads leading to the same truth, the religious history of the West is full of foreshadowing of today’s ideological fights.

    How is the question “How many angels dance on the head of a pin?” different than the social reckoning over “How many genders exist.” People actually think about these things. And the angels on the head of a pin is not as frivolous as it sounds. It was really a question about the nature of time, space, and matter brought up by Thomas Aquinas.

    Many of the modern interpretations of foolish religious questions come from centuries of Protestants trying to discredit Catholics by making their history look bloodthirsty and intellectual pursuits ridiculous. Most people think the “Inquisition” killed millions. That’s Protestant propaganda. It was the equivalent in deaths of one September 11th taking place over the course of three and a half centuries. And mostly due to the Spanish government, not the Catholic Church.

    Jewish religious history is very important to what is going on now. And pay no attention to what 99% of modern Jews say about it. They know nothing. I know I was brought up only believing a) Israel is the greatest and most important achievement of human history, and b) all the stuff Jews believed from the beginning of time until the 1850′s or so was hokum, but we ought to respect it anyway, but not believe a word of it. That’s what most Jews know. I was lucky to meet some scholarly people who could bring me deeper into the real history, of the people, and the thought.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  183. Giraldi Goes Sailing Away T0 Where Sailer’s Going To With The Russia-Russia-Russia Obsession Of The Jews In The Media.

    Long title folks.

    Giraldi Blog Post titles:

    Hating Russia Is a Full-Time Job

    Neocons resurrect tribal memories to fan the flames

    I understand Sailer’s idea that some Jews are going gaga with the Russia stuff because of real or IMAGINED ancestral difficulties.

    But,

    I still like the idea that the heavily Jew-dominated Democrat Party is using the accusations of Russian meddling as a pseudo-nationalist mask to cover up the fact that the Democrat Party has gone post-national and transnational.

    My concept, which I probably stole from someone else on the internet, says that the Democrats are trying to sound patriotic and nationalistic when they are not. There might also be a baby boomer angle where the moron baby boomers still believe the Russians are coming to get them. These are the same baby boomer arseholes who won’t say a word in public about mass immigration, multiculturalism or Black criminality and Black misbehaviour, but they like the nostalgia of the Cold War.

    Trumpy must up the tempo on his psychological warfare against the Democrat Party and their pseudo-nationalist Russia-Russia-Russia meddling horseshit. White Core Americans are finally getting the idea that the Democrats are bullshit artists who push policies that harm Whites and all Americans. Make the Democrats froth at the mouth over Russia, Trumpy! Like a crazed raccoon walking down the middle of the road. It’ll make it easier for the voters to run them over.

    Now,

    Most of the Republicans are scum, too, and Thursday will be a day where the immigration brawl in the GOP will start. Paul Ryan is a globalizer dirtbag who pushes mass immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens, and that slob from California, Kevin McCarthy, is just as bad on immigration.

  184. @Pat Hannagan

    I have referred to easily verifiable facts. You haven’t referred to facts of any kind. Whereas I refer to things that Kennedy actually did, your first link goes to a meaningless memorandum describing what he would, supposedly, like to at some indeterminate time in the future. Your second link goes to crank ravings of a French conspiracy theorist.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
  185. @AnotherDad

    Another Dad, I was in an all boys Catholic HS when JFK was assassinated and a senior at a Jesuit College when RFK was assassinated, they had been deified by the teachers and profs at both schools. However, one of the most traumatic days of my life happened in HS, when the priests assembled the student body to go to confession and then communion, the reason being the Cuban Missle Crisis. The dems drag out whatever Kennedy they can find to validate their cause but I wish they would all just go away.

  186. @Moses

    I think the distinction you imagine between Jewish whites, Catholic whites, Evangelical Christian whites and so on fades to insignificance in comparison to the difference between, say, Filipinos and white people in general.

    Once upon a time, back in the Old Country, in a completely white world, in which religion was of overwhelming importance, being Jewish was significant.

    In the multi-racial mosaic that is modern America, to see being Jewish as separating one from other white people would be as silly as seeing one’s Polish or Italian or Irish ethnicity as making one ‘not white.’

    Jews are white. As you say, simple as that.

  187. syonredux says:
    @Jack D

    Leonard Nimoy Remembers Boston’s West End Neighborhood

  188. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Jews complaining of exclusion is really the pot calling the kettle black.

    Jews complaining of exclusion is the perp crying out in pain as he strikes you

  189. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The American sympathy for Israel was due to massive propaganda effort by American Jews.

    This.

  190. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis

    So what are you doing to increase the White birth rate Travis? And what are you doing to ensure that affirmative action will end so White children won’t be discriminated against when they grow up and apply for jobs.?

    If you don’t have at least 4 White children of your own STFU.

  191. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I was simply pointing out that postwar Europe (especially Germany) was largely Judenrein so they couldn’t possibly be calling the shots.

    Didn’t the United States have a rather strong influence on postwar Europe (especially Germany)? And what group has disproportionate influence in the United States?

    (As an aside, there were still Jews in Berlin at the end of the war.)

  192. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Hitler had to murder my poor fisherman grandfather (and his wife and 1/2 his kids and their infant families)

    If you don’t mind my asking, what were the circumstances of your grandfather’s death?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  193. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheBoom

    What about the role of britons like Hawkins and drake in starting the Atlantic slave trade and the role of Britain in the 300 years of the Atlantic Slave trade?

    Personally, I think Britian owes America massive reparations for dumping Africans in America and creating the problem that will never, never end.. America’s biggest problem is Africans in our midst; 12 percent of the population 80% of our problems forever and ever.

  194. @Moses

    Minnie Riperton and Richard Rudolph.

    Daughter Maya starred in iSteve favourite Idiocracy.

  195. Canada will be the murrican rendition with Nafta aproximation or even ALCA.

    White culture is not white, nor of whites, it’s in the jewish hands.

  196. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    Most of the Jews of Poland (where most of the Jews were) were religiously devout (ranging from what today would be called “modern Orthodox” to fanatically Hasidic) and did not identify with Marxism at all, let alone enthusiastically.

    Again this is some kind of strange contradiction – 1/2 my family died because they were supposed either, depending on who you ask, rich capitalists (per Another Dad) or Bolsheviks determined to overthrow the rich capitalists (per J. Ross) (when in fact they were neither) – which one were they? Either they loved capitalism too much or not enough. Which was the sin that they deserved to die for?

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  197. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheBoom

    The famous sharpshooter Annie Oakley was born in 1860. She wasn’t a westerner she was from Ohio. She was an indentured slave in childhood.

    Her father died and he mother sold her to a farm family when she was about 8. She was fed so little she never grew to normal adult size and could not have children. She was beaten and abused. She called her owners the monsters all her life.

    Mother remarried when she was about 12 and bought her back. She started shouting ducks pheasants and other birds for the local butchers and was in her way to fame.

    She was an indentured servant in the 1870s.

    There was some form of slavery indentured servitude in Scotland that lasted well into the 1830s.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  198. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    What you don’t seem to understand (even though George Washington did over 200 years ago) is that the United States doesn’t “belong” to the Protestants. Protestants, Jews, Catholics – etc. have all been here right from the beginning and have equal claim to having stolen the place from the Indians.

    Here is Washington’s letter to the Jews of Newport on the occasion of his visit to the Touro Synagogue:

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.

    It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

    Washington understood this in 1790 and yet here we are in 2018 and you still don’t get it.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Ian M.
    , @AnotherDad
  199. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    “Least of all with Ashkenazi Jews a group whose very existence is a rejection of integration with their neighbors.”

    My ancestry is about 15-20% Levantine Hebrew and 80-85% “old” Euro. There seems to have been plenty of embracing integration going on there.

    And speaking of rejection, my German ancestors kept really good records. From 1650 to about 1930, in Prussia, Canada, and in the Midwest, they only married other Prussian Lutherans. No Poles, no Jews, no German Catholics, not even any Germans from areas west of Berlin.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  200. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:

    Oswald was convinced that Kennedy was a crazy warmonger – another Hitler – who needed to be stopped before he provoked World War III.

    This was actually the consensus opinion of Kennedy in left-wing circles at the time. It was only after his death that he became a “martyr for peace”.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  201. @res

    “Any idea what conditions those slaves lived under and how their descendants did? Those would be interesting to compare to Black slaves in the US given their thriving population 150 years later.”

    IIRC the usual fate for male slaves captured by corsairs was to be sent to the oars in a Mediterranean galley – a death sentence unless you were ransomed. So the males had no descendants to agitate for civil rights.

    Domestic male slaves were routinely castrated, a procedure with a high death rate and again no offspring – so there aren’t large numbers of sub-Saharan blacks in Egypt or Turkey.

    The girls (white or black) were used as servants and concubines.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%C3%B0r%C3%AD%C3%B0ur_S%C3%ADmonard%C3%B3ttir

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrem_Sultan

  202. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The Turks were not brought to Germany until 1963. By that time all the boys born between 1930 and 1945 were between 33 and 18 years old and fully capable of filling all necessary jobs.

    The Turks were brought in for the standard capitalist purpose of keeping a vast army of the unemployed around to keep wages down. They and their descendants were mostly on welfare, not gainfully employed

  203. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @hyperbola

    The shot was in Kennedy’s ear, in the side of his head not the back.

    • Replies: @hyperbola
  204. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    America was supposed to be a special place that granted religious freedom and equality to all citizens and not just another shitty country, even if it was the least shitty country on the list of shitty countries. It was supposed to be a reboot of European history on a clean slate (never mind those Indians). On the Great Seal it says NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM – a new order for the ages. It is an ambitious claim for an ambitious nation. If it had said “We treat religious minorities slightly less shitty than elsewhere” then it wouldn’t be the place that the Founders dreamed of – it would be Canada or Australia or something, not the defining nation of the last 2 centuries.

    Again, Washington understood this even if you don’t. Lincoln too. But at certain times in American history Americans have lost sight of this. But usually we come back to our founding principles (our “better angels” as Lincoln put it) eventually.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  205. @Thea

    No Brits “pimp out” their daughters to grooming gangs. But often when they went to the police they were threatened with arrest for ‘hate crime’.

    • Replies: @Thea
  206. @Anonymous

    Kennedy was killed by a leftist, and yet it was “rabidly far-right” Dallas that was vilified as the “city of hate” for decades after the massacre. Go figure.

    No one ever calls Los Angeles a “city of hate,” even though RFK was killed by a genuine anti-Semite.

    • Agree: Travis
  207. FPD72 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I went to that game with two buddies from school, one of whose uncles was Elroy Face, the Pirates pitching coach, whom we stayed late after the game to meet. He invited us back to the Pirates’ hotel to share a late dinner, but we had to get back because we had class the next day. They may have been staying st the Ambassador, but I’m not sure.

    Anyway, when I got home an hour later my mom told me about the shooting. It and the game were the only topics of conversation at school the next day.

    The next game that Drysdale pitched, against the Phillies, ended the shutout and consecutive scoreless innings streak. The streak will long be remembered for an assist by the home plate umpire in the game against the Giants, when Drysdale hit a batter in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and no outs. The umpire refused to award the batter first base because he had moved into the pitch instead of trying to avoid it. The Giants’ manager went berserk, but to no avail. Drysdale got the next three batters out without allowing a run and the streak was preserved. One of the best games I’ve ever been to.

    The other memorable events associated with the streak were the several trips the home plate umpires made to the mound to search Drysdale for a foreign substance that opposing teams were accusing Drysdale of using to “load up the ball.” On several occasions they even ran their hands through his hair, which of course lead to a commercial for some men’s hair grooming product.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  208. DFH says:
    @Jack D

    I understand now. Hitler had to murder my poor fisherman grandfather (and his wife and 1/2 his kids and their infant families) because his ancestors were rich tax farmers in 17th century Poland. It’s all clear to me know.

    Where did he say that? Why did you go straight to hyper-emotionalising and personalising the topic? What does this have to do with the problems that Jews have caused for Europeans or the differences between them and blacks?

  209. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    How did the family find out that he had been sent to that camp and had perished? Do you have details of how he died?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  210. NPR Jews might be the most sanctimonious prissy hypocrites of the lot.

    That’s no small achievement.

  211. @Jack D

    Your answer is tendentious & has nothing to do with OP’s assertions, which are mostly true. It is evident that there are many loony antisemites here; but, also, to deny that Jewish historical ethnocentrism is a defining reality, and that in most historical periods from, say, 8th to 19th C Jews had it better in what in now Europe than local populations, with a few exceptions (Crusades, Khmelnitsky pogroms)- it is just blindness.

    Various historians have dispelled myths about eternal, unprovoked suffering & there is not much to dispute here. To refuse to acknowledge Jewish “shadow”, to use Jungian term, is, seems, a permanent trait of Jewish national consciousness.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Logan
  212. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    In those days if you were too poor to care for your children they were sent to the poor house. The poor house in turn would farm these kids out to (usually farm) families where extra labor came in handy. Some treated them OK and some treated them as semi-slave labor. There were surplus orphans in the East and these would get put on trains and sent out West:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_Train

    The orphan trains ran until 1929.

    The Catholic Church in Ireland ran laundries in Ireland where unwed mothers worked in slave labor conditions . THe last one did not close until 1996.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  213. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    The Epstein patents are all from 1917 or before.

    1917-1923, with two from 1910 and 1914 that are lock-related but don’t mention Y&T.

    Epstein could get hired by Y&T in 1917 but not in 1937.

    Just ask Abraham H Golden, 13 patents with Y&T between 1934 and 1967.

    At the Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons, the percentage of Jewish students fell to 6 percent from 47 percent between 1920 and 1940.

    Yentl comes to America, marries at 14 and has 8 kids, who go to medical school, marry at 33 and have 1.9.

    Medical school attendance tends to be much higher among first than later-generation immigrants. East Asian medical school attendance skyrocketed in the 80′s and 90′s, and is now just as quickly collapsing in favor of South Asians.

    There were always exceptions

    I thought it was “no” and “never.”

    you might try to keep Jews out of your corporation as much as possible but a few guys were just too good to turn away

    If there’s one thing that characterizes antisemites, it’s their finely-tuned nuance.

    lest your company get a reputation as being a place where a lot of Jews work, which would be undesirable for your broader recruiting efforts.

    Who ever wanted to work for Goldman Sachs or Lord & Thomas?

    When Feynman applied to Princeton grad school in 1939, the head of the dept. wrote to his buddy at MIT

    Did they discriminate against or cause offense to him in any way?

    This is an example of “people in the 1930′s say the darndest things” (especially in private letters). You have to remember that back then, Jews were a new thing, like the internet or seeing burkas on the street.

    It’s the same as any bleeding heart these days is a heavy heart, thinking back on all their ignorant (no excuse!) past misdeeds, saying “illegal immigrant” or “tranny,” or (unforgivable!) laughing at Apu.

    Is “David X Klein” even Jewish?

    I can’t establish definitively, but this David X Klein is presumably his grandson and, well, I’ll let you be the judge.

    X usually stands for Xavier which is usually a Catholic name.

    “X” (just the letter) is also a common Ellis Island middle name, for obvious reasons.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @J.Ross
    , @Jack D
  214. Clyde says:
    @syonredux

    Selective immigration? Weren’t most of the Japanese who immigrated to Hawaii drawn from the bottom tiers of Japanese society?

    Were brought in as agricultural laborers as far as I know. But still, my opinion, are from hi IQ stock and civilized by Nippon society.

  215. @Jack D

    The main motivator for letting in millions of (Muslim) Turks into Germany was not the supposed Jooish desire for open borders but the needs of German industrialists to man their factories in the postwar boom

    The foreigners fighting to migrate to Europe/US are doing so to improve their own lives, not to help out a US/European factory’s balance sheet. The main driver and “motivator” is the interests and living standards of the migrants. Arguing that this culture war over immigration is being fought to serve the interest of factory managers is so unreasonable it is dishonest.

    Bari Weiss and Jon Stewart do not directly hold offices of political power, but they are culturally influential people that engage in political advocacy. And one of the issues that they’ve chosen to advocate for is looser restrictions on immigration to the US and Europe. I also don’t see the open border push as a particularly Jewish thing. Many leading figures, like Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelossi are non-Jewish whites leading that political fight.

  216. Hhsiii says:
    @Anon

    Two things: the New Deal and FDR (with Jewish supporters) starting hiving black voters away from GOP. More importantly, Jewish slavery may have been 2000 years old; or was it more recent? Serfdom. Or, closer to post-war, concentration camps and massmurder. Isn’t that more likely to lead to more Jews identifying with communist oppressor philosophy and drifting toward open support for blacks? Tortured explanations about them trying to divide and conquer versus WASP oppression when, hey, blacks were in fact discriminted against, and je s somewhat here, but massively in Germany, Italy, France, at that time quite recently. I am sure most thought they were just doing the decent thing. And many Christian agreed. Doesn’t make them all saps or cucks now.

  217. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax

    Tour de force.

  218. Corvinus says:
    @AnotherDad

    “In a free society, people are supposed to be … uh … free. Free to make whatever social arrangements they want. Free to associate or not with people according to their whims.”

    Except when those whims interfere with the social arrangements of other groups, as deemed by the society at large.

    “Sorry, no one is under any moral or ethnical obligation to socialize or do business with anyone else.”

    On one hand, that is a true statement. On the other hand, you are conveniently leaving out the legal aspect here.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  219. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Doug

    In ancient times the Nile was flooded for half the year and the Egyptian peasants had nothing to do until it subsided. There are your pyramid builders – not slaves but unemployed farmers.

    The flooding would also have facilitated water transport of stones, workers and other raw materials.

  220. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    So you’re saying it was Lubavitchers that took over the German government, forced an end to the war, and talked about Bolshevism across Europe. I’m kidding, obviously you’re not. But if everybody was this obtuse and emotional all the time no discussion would be possible. It’s useless to have the motive force of Nazism be mysterious perpetual bigotry unless you’re going to erase Rosa Luxembourg from history.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  221. J.Ross says: • Website
    @snorlax

    Simpsons and Futurama writer David X Cohen took it because there was already a David Cohen in the Screenwriter’s Guild.

  222. Lot says:
    @Ozymandias

    I agree antisemitic dissent gets shut down in mainstream spaces these days. But it isn’t because of Jewish power, but because Nazi Germany showed the world how evil antisemites are, and what they will do if they reach positions of power. If Jews had a lot of power in America, they would have seen that their cousins in Europe had refuge here or in Mandatory Palestine.

    It may also have something to do with the fact that antisemites rarely just have issues with Jews, but quite often extend their hate to our large population of Eastern and Southern European Americans.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    , @res
    , @Tyrion 2
  223. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    This is wrong, though. As a proposition nation — whose proposition is the flowering of English common law tradition in the Constitution — the United States belongs to anyone who signs onto the proposition. Theoretically anybody can do this, but it definitely came from a particular cultural sphere, and anyone plugged into that would have a natural head start. It cannot belong to “all of us” or to holders of geographical claims because then you very easily displace the proposition.

  224. Druid says:
    @Towel Ban

    True, and their story was not even in Egypt. Most likely from Yemen! Not a stitch of evidence for Egypt. Another fake!

  225. @Lot

    “I agree antisemitic dissent… blah, blah, blah.”

    Any examination of Jewish influence is immediately labeled “antisemitic dissent.” If you dare to question those who consider themselves superior, they’re quick to let you know that you are morally inferior. I didn’t read the rest of your schtick.

  226. res says:
    @Lot

    it isn’t because of Jewish power

    Come on, Lot. Jewish power might not be the only factor, but are you really denying it is a significant part?!

    • Replies: @JSM
    , @Lot
  227. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    At the Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons, the percentage of Jewish students fell to 6 percent from 47 percent between 1920 and 1940.

    Yentl comes to America, marries at 14 and has 8 kids, who go to medical school, marry at 33 and have 1.9.

    Medical school attendance tends to be much higher among first than later-generation immigrants. East Asian medical school attendance skyrocketed in the 80′s and 90′s, and is now just as quickly collapsing in favor of South Asians.

    This would be a much more convincing explanation if the school officials at that time did not confess (in private, never publicly) that they had imposed actual quotas. For example, the dean of Cornell University Medical College said in 1940,“We limit the number of Jews admitted to each class to roughly the proportion of Jews in the population of the state.”

    Occam’s Butterknife posits that this is a much more straightforward and convincing explanation than a non-existent crash in Jewish birth rates.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  228. JSM says:
    @res

    There’s no point in arguing with him, is there? Just, utter denial.

    While Lot, et al, are whining to us White Americans of Christian Heritage about how bad his grampa had it, what I wanna know is, when are the rich Jews in America TODAY gonna start paying the medical and funeral bills and lost incomes of all the WACHs being mowed down TODAY by illegal-alien Mexican drunk drivers that their co-ethnics demanded not to be kept out?

  229. 3g4me says:
    @AndrewR

    @91 AndrewR: “Lol. Persians are, what, 0.05% of the US population? 0.01? Arabs aren’t more than half a percent either. And they almost all assimilate to whiteness within a generation or two anyway, at least the non-Muslim ones do.”

    One might wonder why so many of your comments utilize utterly bizarre and inaccurate numbers and percentages to downplay the dramatic drop in the White proportion of America’s population. Arabs, Persians, and other Mohammedans, last I read, are officially about 1% of the population. I don’t trust official numbers, however, and adding in the illegals and rapid influx of rapefugees in the last few years of Obamantion’s term, I’d say 1.5% conservatively. Jews and half-Jews (and even quarter Jews, who are often Jewier than the 100% ones) are about 3%. Add in those 85-95% White Latinos who lay claim to full European ancestry (these numbers are all based on self-reported census and other surveys, to the best of my knowledge), and Whites of European ancestry are perhaps 45% (the official percent being 51.7 non-hispanic White as of 2017, minus the others I’ve already listed).

    As far as “assimilation” goes (a piss-poor and overused word that means whatever the user intends at that moment), most Mohammedans remain Mohammedan and separate from the rest of America socially, culturally, and religiously. Only those Levantines who were/are Christians (primarily Lebanese and Syrian) and who generally arrived between 1880-1925 intermarried and truly assimilated, insofar as “assimilation” applies to any who arrived after the War between the States.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  230. @J.Ross

    So you’re saying it was Lubavitchers that took over the German government, forced an end to the war

    No, in the fall of 1918, the body that ran the German government, forced an end to the war, got the Kaiser to abdicate, and then dumped the responsibility on the Social Democrats was … the German General Staff.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @SFG
  231. @FPD72

    Funny thing about teammates Drysdale and Koufax. Drysdale was a mean son of a gun who led the league in hitting batters four years in a row, was often accused of doctoring the ball and doing other tricky stuff to win, and was extremely articulate and went on to a long career as a top broadcaster.

    Koufax almost never hit anybody, was never accused (IIRC) of cheating, never seemed to do anything clever or underhanded to win, just seemed to want to match strength against strength in a fair fight, was inarticulate, reticent, and no good as an announcer, and retired to mostly living in small rural towns.

  232. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    I am completely wrong there.
    However Communists in Munich (and horror stories from Russian refugees) probably played more of a role in widespread, reasonable fears of imminent Bolshevism than the historical grievances of unrelated gentiles. One of those things makes logical (although not moral or perfectly correct) the sentiments of the day and one is an emotional appeal that amounts to shifting defamation from one party to another. As long as people are allowed in this topic to just babble — while other people are legally for forbidden to talk — the real popular consensus result will not be an authoritative belief system. Normies will see the seething revisionists and frothing high priesthood and conclude that it is a religious matter, although they will have the sense to steer clear and not (deliberately) offend people.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anon
  233. Glaivester says: • Website
    @Uilleam yr alban

    Actually, the term is now used in almost any fictional work where continuity plays a role: movie series, TV shows, etc.

  234. Ian M. says:
    @Doug

    Even very educated people think that the Hebrews built pyramids or were enslaved in Egypt in the third millennia BCE.

    Well, there might not be any extra-Biblical evidence for the Exodus, but you can’t blame the Bible for the foregoing.

    The Bible never says that the Hebrews built the pyramids.

    Moreover, it does not say that they were enslaved in the third millennia BC. Try second millennia. Based on the Bible’s timeline, it’s usually placed either ~1400 BC or ~1200 BC.

  235. HA says:
    @Anon

    “Internet overall seems weak in its discussion of this.”

    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk…Was he a crypto-Jew?

    Hillel Halkin, the respected New York native turned Israeli journalist who is a regular in Commentary and a columnist for the Jerusalem Post and the New York Sun, thinks so…[though, according to the Israeli Entsiklopedya]…”There is no proof of the belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family came from the Doenme”…an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah….

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/was-mustafa-kemal-ataturk-founder-of/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Warner
  236. HA says:
    @Anon

    “Hard to underestimate what the failure of supposed messiah Sabbatai Tzvi/Zevi meant to Jews in the 17th century…Internet overall seems weak in its discussion of this.”

    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk…Was he a crypto-Jew?

    Hillel Halkin, the respected New York native turned Israeli journalist who is a regular in Commentary and a columnist for the Jerusalem Post and the New York Sun, thinks so…[though, according to the Israeli Entsiklopedya]…”There is no proof of the belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family came from the Doenme”…an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah….

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/was-mustafa-kemal-ataturk-founder-of/

  237. @J.Ross

    The German General Staff might have had a plan to get out from under the blame for losing the war by shuffling responsibility off to the poor Social Democrats in 1918 — they had plans for lots of thing. I don’t know for sure though.

    But in the minds of lots of sore losers like Corporal Hitler, losing wasn’t his new buddy General Ludendorff’s fault, even though Ludendorff had been pretty close to military dictator of Germany in 1918.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  238. SFG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Yup. For all the ‘blood and honor’ types agitating over the ‘stab in the back’, it’s useful to remember that the German Revolution was started by sailors who were asked to go on one last sortie *after the war had ended*. Can you imagine being asked to throw your life away for the glory of the Navy, after hostilities had ended?

    From what I can tell there was enough Jewish presence in German movements of the center-left and far-left to make ‘Judeo-Bolshevism’ a vaguely credible conspiracy theory. Of course, there were plenty of gentile Germans angry at the aristocracy and capitalists. Whether that justifies exterminating *every single Jew in Europe*, down to halfies and quarters, not to mention starting the hugest war in human history, is another story.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  239. @HA

    I never saw anything besides that Halkin piece. Halkin is kind of a romantic who likes telling a good story about exotic stuff, which is fine, I just want more sources.

    Ataturk went to a Donme school for awhile as a child in Salonika, their main city. So he was kind of a fellow traveler.

    • Replies: @HA
  240. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    I don’t know that a plan by the general staff would have been necessary because Commies make trouble and talk about Communist ideals all day without additional inspiration. Losing a war humiliates; it doesn’t quickly lead to action. Communists taking over one empire and then briefly taking over one of your most important provinces guarantees a response.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  241. @Rosamond Vincy

    “Clergy did join the movement in increased numbers, but it’s clear that few really wanted to do it, because MLK had to guilt-trip them into it.”

    There was a significant minority in the south that was not aligned with the segregationists, but who were reluctant to “join the movement” because of a fear of what happens once revolutions get started.

  242. Ian M. says:
    @Doug

    Also, regarding:

    In reality, the Hebrews as a linguistic and cultural group only emerged in the 10th century BCE.

    The Merneptah Stele contains the earliest known reference to Israel and is dated to the late 1200s BC.

  243. @SFG

    The reason Hitler caused so much trouble was that by around 1928, people in France and Britain were thinking: “We won the Great War, but was it worth it? We used to think so, but now we see the answer is: No. Let’s not do that again.” So pacifism and disarmament become big.

    Meanwhile, Hitler is thinking: “We lost the Great War and nothing is more intolerable to my soul. We must do it all over again so that this time we can WIN!”

    Sports fans will likely recognize a little part of themselves in Hitler’s feelings.

    In sports, however, not too many people get killed, so you just have another season next year, giving hope to the losers from last year.

    But with war, it’s really not a good idea to do it all over again just so that this time you can experience the Thrill of Victory and impose on the other guys the Agony of Defeat.

    But it took human beings a long time to figure out that sports > war for emotional therapy.

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  244. Ian M. says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ll have to ask my father. He witnessed it and has home video of it (shot by my grandfather).

    But I’ve never heard him mention that.

  245. @J.Ross

    But there are two quite different things going on:

    1. The German General Staff pulling the plug on the war and the Kaiser, and handing the whole thing off to the Social Democrats to deal with and take the blame for. Remember, the average German, like Corporal Hitler, had no idea that the German General Staff knew the war was lost. The German Army had conquered vast territories in the east and was still fighting on French soil, not on German soil. But the General Staff knew from all their secret projections that 1919 would be a complete disaster with a giant American army marching to Berlin. So the GS pulled the plug and handed power to the SD politicians from before the war. And then it turned out that Germany had no leverage left at the coming peace talks, which I imagine the GS knew, but corporals didn’t understand.

    2. Then various Communist groups rebelled, such as in Munich. The Social Democrats and the Communists hated each other. The Social Democratic government eventually crushed the Communists, using the Army and rightist ex-soldiers.

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  246. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Could the fact that soviet Jews were massacring millions, that American Jews were writing lying propaganda praising what the soviet Jews were doing and that the CPUSA was so heavily Jewish Stalin had to order it to start using English instead of Yiddish have anything to do with American negative feelings against Jews?

  247. Lot says:
    @res

    It is a fairly minor factor. Jewish power didn’t suddenly rise from 1930 to 1950, but antisemitism became much less respectful. And antisemitism is just as disreputable in Oklahoma as New Jersey, despite the large gap in Jewish influence.

    • Replies: @res
    , @donut
  248. Ian M. says:
    @Stick

    The ’67 riot was mostly blacks behaving badly and destroying stuff and fighting cops rather than it being blacks versus hillbillies.

    But yeah, the ’43 riot was a real race riot, white versus black.

    But I had thought there was more damage done in the ’67 riot.

  249. Ian M. says:
    @Jack D

    Another manifestation of the Jewish desire for assimilation pre-’60s is the Christian names a lot of them had.

    After the ’60s, it seems like Jews started giving their children more typically Jewish names.

    • Replies: @Anon
  250. @Karl

    please note: I got no problems with the ethiopians. They run low-IQ, and a bit criminal….. but they’re loyal to the State. Like the Filipinos, in many ways.

    There are an awful lot of Ethiopian chiropractors in the Twin Cities, for some reason. That’s spine-chilling, especially if you’re in Ethiopia and have a sore back from carrying water for miles.

  251. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    Is your argument here that the Bolshevik threat (as perceived by the average German) should have been contextualized to the people in terms of military strength and unity? Why wouldn’t that upset people more, at that time? “Commies want to eat you alive, but please, keep in mind, your generals will not protect you in any way!”
    I do not recall Hitler’s arguments for exonerating Ludendorff but I don’t see that they matter in locating popular credulity regarding the red menace. There was enough hatred to go around. The Dolchstosslegende was a factor among others and gets over-relied upon.

  252. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Annie Oakley was not sent to the local poor house if there even was one. Her mother sold her to a farmer as an indentured servant. She was fed so little she never menstruated and never grew to adult size. In her autobiographies she repeatedly stated she was beaten often.

    You never read her autobiography did you? I have and I posted something I know about, unlike you who posted a piece of complete ignorance about Annie Oakley

    There are several biographies about her I’ve read two of them. Who are you to post your ignorance about Annie Oakley?. You don’t know what you are writing about do you? You just had to jump in with a totally ignorant statement.

    You are ignorant ignorant ignorant about Annie Oakley’s child hood. You never read her auto biography

    So why did you refute my post with some ignorant claim that all poor parents sent their kids to the poor houses and some totally irrelevant nonsense about Ireland?

    You should read some biographies of Annie Oakley Your post is very very typical of an arrogant Jew who thinks he is some sort of all knowing genius.

    You thought that your very superficial and shallow knowledge of 19th century poor houses you could refute knowledge that comes directly from specific knowledge of what happened to one specific 19th century child, Annie Oakley.

    BTW, poor houses were for adults. Poor children whose parents who couldn’t care for them went to orphanages along with children who had no parents.

    Your response is so typically Jewish ignorance masquerading as knowledge.

    Been around you people all my life and I always beat them in arguments because I know more than the Jews do about the subjects in which they claim knowledge

  253. @J.Ross

    The guys with by far the most moral agency were the German General Staff. They knew what was going on and were making the decisions. They organized dumping the whole tar baby into the laps of the Social Democratic opposition to make sure the inevitable bad events of 1919, such as Versailles and Communist uprisings, got blamed on the poor SDs, not them: the Stab in the Back Theory. The guy most in charge in 1918 was Gen. Ludendorff, who five years later is marching with his pal Corporal Hitler in the Beer Hall Putsch.

    M

  254. @J.Ross

    The guys with by far the most moral agency were the German General Staff. They knew what was going on and were making the decisions. They organized dumping the whole tar baby into the laps of the Social Democratic opposition to make sure the inevitable bad events of 1919, such as Versailles and Communist uprisings, got blamed on the poor SDs, not them: the Stab in the Back Theory. The guy most in charge in 1918 was Gen. Ludendorff, who five years later is marching with his pal Corporal Hitler in the Beer Hall Putsch.

    M

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  255. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    The Bolshevik Jews who took over Munich murdered 10,000 in a few months. That was enough to convince Germans to not let it happen again.

  256. Ian M. says:
    @Jack D

    …the situation of Jews in America actually deteriorated after WWI.

    Did the Leo Frank case have anything to do with this?

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    , @Anon
  257. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    The General Staff had “moral agency” (to do what, commit suicide?) but also an overall situation that was out of their hands anyway. People were probably willing to believe that Commies abandoned the war for the same reason people don’t expect Muslims to eat pork.
    What does Ludendorff do in Alternate Germany that cancels out the threat of the RSFSR and the Spartacists and the Bavarian Sowjet?

  258. Mishra says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Maybe in an 85%+ White America in the 1970s you could say that White Americans have no definite shared interests

    Your overall analysis hit the target perfectly, and this remark is excerpted because it helps to explain how the disaster happened in the first place. A lack of awareness while the foundation was being undermined. A lack of awareness which was promoted–and enforced–by MSM entertainment/propaganda.

  259. HA says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “I never saw anything besides that Halkin piece.”

    Still, Sabbateans are a hotter topic in Turkey than in other places, which ensures the conversation will inevitably return to another perennial iSteve favorite. If anyone at home is playing the Steve Sailer drinking game, prepare to down another shot:

    Another interesting and recent product of the anti-Dönme mindset,… is the claim that is was not the Turks, but the Sabbateans, who both planned and implemented the 1915…mass slaughter and death of most of the Ottoman Empire’s Armenian population. According to this view the idea of mass deportation and slaughter emerged because the country’s Jewish bourgeoisie wished to take control of the empire’s economic life, and,…they proposed this plan to the committee as a way of eliminating their Armenian competitors. [It should be stressed that] no professional historian of the Armenian genocide has taken this conspiracy theory seriously.

    Mehmet Kamış, a writer for the daily Zaman, which is owned by the ‘moderate’ Islamist community of Fethullah Gülen, speaks of the Armenian deportations, but refers to it chief architect, Unionist Interior Minister Talât Pasha, as a ‘Sabbatean’…Kamış goes on in this column to depict the question of the Armenian massacres as the problem of Talat Pasha, whom he takes pains to portray as a Sabbatean: “The Armenian [D]eportation”, he claims, “is not a problem for the Ottomans and the Turks. It is the problem of Talat Pasha and his ilk”.

    https://armenianweekly.com/2009/12/07/a-recent-anti-semitic-theme-the-sabbatean-role-in-the-armenian-genocide/

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  260. J.Ross says: • Website
    @HA

    Sabbateans are a hotter topic in Turkey than in other places

    Well, if the Turks are concerned about it, then that proves it’s serious.

  261. @Jack D

    Jack, what has changed since Washington’s time is the character of our government. In 1790, the state and federal governments had so little influence on the average person’s life that he could afford not to worry about the Quakers in Pennsylvania or the Catholics in Maryland. Everyone could do their own thing.

    It’s not like that anymore. The government now tells you what kind of light bulbs and toilet you can use, and what your kids will be taught in school down to the last jot and tittle. It decides which racial groups will be first in line for government contracts and college admissions. It takes a third of the money you earn and gives it to other people. I’d love to return to the days of “do your own thing” but until that happens, I have to pay very close attention to which groups are in our country (there, I said it), whether they’re growing or shrinking, and how they’re likely to vote.

  262. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    They would run whole towns through Treblinka. Not only my grandfather and grandmother and aunts but everyone in the town was herded into the cattle cars.

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    , @utu
  263. Ian M. says:
    @Jack D

    What you don’t seem to understand (even though George Washington did over 200 years ago) is that the United States doesn’t “belong” to the Protestants. Protestants, Jews, Catholics – etc. have all been here right from the beginning and have equal claim to having stolen the place from the Indians.

    No. There has to be a dominant culture that is given preference in order for a society to maintain itself, its heritage, and its norms. A society cannot treat all cultures or religions equally. This just results in the destruction of the dominant culture as well as the minority cultures.

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  264. Jack D says:
    @Ian M.

    I would say it was more a symptom than a cause.

  265. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ian M.

    He raped and murdered Mary Phagan in 1914, years before WW1 ended.

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  266. fnn says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Hitler’s rearmament was rather modest in the terms of the time. It seemed great because he started from close to zero and he was a scary dude:

  267. Ian M. says:
    @AnotherDad

    In a free society, people are supposed to be … uh … free. Free to make whatever social arrangements they want. Free to associate or not with people according to their whims.

    Commitment to freedom as a political principle is precisely why we are beset with a tyrannical and totalitarian political correctness today.

  268. res says:
    @Lot

    Jewish power didn’t suddenly rise from 1930 to 1950

    From your original comment (emphasis mine):

    I agree antisemitic dissent gets shut down in mainstream spaces these days. But it isn’t because of Jewish power

    these days != 1930 to 1950 (by a long shot)

    As for this:

    And antisemitism is just as disreputable in Oklahoma as New Jersey, despite the large gap in Jewish influence.

    Various influential national institutions (e.g. media and fedgov) having heavy Jewish influence is of course completely unrelated to that.

    Lot, when your arguments are that weak that should be telling you something.

  269. SFG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    World War II as frustrated sports fandom.

    I never thought of it that way. But, you’re probably right!

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  270. @PV van der Byl

    a French conspiracy theorist.

    Yet elsewhere you agreed with Syonredux who was promoting the works of one Vincent Bugliosi who is an… Italian-American conspiracy theorist!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Bugliosi#RFK_assassination

    Do you have some sort of weighting scale as to allowable conspiracies by ethnicity?

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  271. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Thank you. How does does a story like that get out? Is it something like other family members knew his family lived in the town, and it was common knowledge (that arose somehow?) that the inhabitants of that particular town were transferred to Treblinka?

    How is it that you know that he died there and how he died? Did the camp document it?

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    , @Jack D
  272. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ian M.

    There has to be a dominant culture that is given preference in order for a society to maintain itself, its heritage, and its norms. A society cannot treat all cultures or religions equally.

    Citation?

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  273. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Why do you consider a bad event at Versaille to have been inevitable? Was it a stretch that the Americans might have forced the winners to agree to an equitable peace?

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  274. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ian M.

    That could have simply been a response to a greater perceived need for crypsis due to the power balance having more on the side of Christians at that time.

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  275. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Meanwhile, Hitler is thinking: “We lost the Great War and nothing is more intolerable to my soul. We must do it all over again so that this time we can WIN!”

    Come one, Steve. You make it sound like a flight of fancy. But Churchill’s naval blockade caused the death of a million Germans at the end of the war (impressing on Hitler the importance of independent access to food). The Versailles peace terms were widely seen as oppressive, not just in Germany. Germany lost a significant portion of its native territory, and millions of Germans in those areas were forced to live under the rule of hostile ethnic groups. Moreover, a murderous, genocidal regime with aspirations of world domination had taken root just to Germany’s east.

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  276. @Massimo Heitor

    Most taxonomies of human ethnicity consider Ashkenazi a sub group of white Euro ethnicity.

    Who cares? It’s false.

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    , @utu
  277. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Hitler’s desire to reclaim territory certainly wasn’t any more unreasonable than Zionist designs on Palestine, and Zionism started up 50 years before Hitler took power.

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    , @Jack D
  278. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Why do you need a citation? How is that not self-evident?

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  279. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    Occam’s Butterknife posits that this is a much more straightforward and convincing explanation than a non-existent crash in Jewish birth rates.

    How about an existent crash?

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/family-american-jewish

    In 11 community-wide studies carried out between 1930 and 1940 Seligman (see Glazer, p. 34) reports on Jewish fertility ratios (the proportion of children under 5 per 1,000 persons aged 20–54) ranging from 81 to 122. Among non-Jewish Caucasians in 1940 from across the United States, the ratio is 154. Glazer comments that “in the late ‘Thirties, it seem[s] fair to conclude that a modicum of relative prosperity had been accompanied by a very rapid drop in the size of the Jewish family” (ibid., p. 35). “By 1938,” notes Feingold, “50 percent of Jewish families produced two or fewer children. Jews were on their way to becoming America’s most efficient contraceptors” (p. 48). Sociologists and others at that time who were sensitive to these trends predicted a decline in the size of the American Jewish community.

    Columbia was probably getting many more applications from outside the immediate NYC area in 1940 than 1920, too.

    Those figures come from this NYT article from 1946:

    Statistical data purporting to show discrimination by the College of Physicians and Surgeons against applicants of Jewish and Italian ancestry were offered by Dr. Alexander H. Pelekis of the New School for Social Research, who made an investigation for the American Jewish Congress. These statistics indicated that the percentage of Jewish enrollment declined from 46.92 in 1920 to 6.4 in 1940.

    It’s unclear what methodology Pelekis used, since he was not affiliated with Columbia and students’ religion was non-public information, so in any event those figures are quite dubious.

    the dean of Cornell University Medical College said in 1940

    Or in other words, if true and generally applicable, the exact same quota system to which whites and Asians are now subjected. Which is, btw, fairly mild.

    Harvard had 20 Jewish students in 1906 vs. 7 Catholics in 1911 (I couldn’t find numbers from the same year, but presumably the ratio would be even wider). Even adjusting for IQ, that’s a massive overrepresentation, several multiples, of Jews relative to Catholics.

    The point being that plenty of other immigrants had it every bit as bad or worse. And none have any cause to complain, because there had heretofore been no country and people anywhere remotely as friendly to immigrants as the US and the eeeevul WASPs, who were under no obligation to share their stuff (or country) with foreign unbelievers but very generously did so anyway, a kindness unheard of in human history.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
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  280. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    That canal was called the Irish channel because it was built by disposable Irish labor

  281. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax

    the eeeevul WASPs, who were under no obligation to share their stuff (or country) with foreign unbelievers but very generously did so anyway, a kindness unheard of in human history.

    A kindness that has been rewarded with merciless ingratitude.

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  282. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    Hitler’s desire to reclaim territory certainly wasn’t any more unreasonable than Zionist designs on Palestine, and Zionism started up 50 years before Hitler took power.

    Dunno. Ukraine’s pretty big….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

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  283. @Lot

    Lot, i’m not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make.

    If it’s to say that your blood proves that Jews were integrating and not rejectionist, then that’s just ahistorical and false. The DNA stuff has given us a very good idea of the origin of the Ashkenazi and it’s been discussed repeatedly on this blog. The Euro component was absorbed early–Jewish traders taking, mostly Italian, wives–and then the gene flow was really miniscule.

    As I’ve said many times, the Jews who defected to actually become part of their local community are my ancestors not the ancestors of your Jewish side relatives.

    As to the Lutherans marrying Lutherans–of course. This is just reinforcing my point: People like being in a community with people like themselves.

    For all the theological folderol most people did not sit down during the reformation and have a good think about their position on these issues. No, nations, duchies, whathaveyou flipped one way or another and most folks just went with whatever was the local settlement to be part of their local community.

    That’s the thing, people like being part of a community, being around people with the same language, religion, traditions and values; doing business with people who you understand and trust, whose kids might marry your kids.

    The Jews rejected all that in favor of tribe. Their choice. But, of course, it has consequences. People are free to return the sentiment–they don’t want to have anything to do with us, fine, i don’t want to have anything to do with them.

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  284. @Corvinus

    “Sorry, no one is under any moral or ethnical obligation to socialize or do business with anyone else.”

    On one hand, that is a true statement. On the other hand, you are conveniently leaving out the legal aspect here.

    Correct Corvinus. I specifically, intentionally, did not say anything about the law. As I see it–feel it–freedom of association is a fundamental natural right, just like freedom of speech or press or religion.

    But what “the law” decrees is completely arbitrary. It can make those natural explicit and protect them, or it can thuggishly demand people hop and dance to the tune of the authorities. Do stuff like make Christian bakers bake wedding cakes for some homosexuals getting married who feel like harassing Christians. Talking about what is “legal” is not particularly interesting–it’s just whatever the guys with guns are making people do right now.

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    , @Jack D
    , @Ian M.
  285. @Steve Sailer

    What small rural town was Sandy living in in Hawaii? Personality wise, Koufax seems to resemble another lefthander, “Mr. Slider”, Steve Carlton. For years during his career he avoided talking to the media. Whatever became of him?

  286. @Jack D

    Washington understood this in 1790 and yet here we are in 2018 and you still don’t get it.

    Jack you’ve trotted this out a couple times before–it’s apparently your zeroth amendment.

    I’ll say first off, that Washington is being generous in spirit here–as was typical of his high character. Other founders–doing more “sociological” theorizing–said things that were a bit more reasonable. I.e. an understanding that the nation had a particular character–Anglo-Protestant–that enabled it to have the republican character it did. Furthermore i’d say that Washington was a bit naive about the Jews and if he’d seen how Jewish power/influence was used in America today, he’d probably be giving his remarks a big rethink.

    But put all that aside. You’re a lawyer and are supposed to be able to parse language reasonably well. Washington simply does not say, what you–apparently–want to have him say. He’s saying here that everyone is entitled their natural rights–Jews included. Not at the sufferance of Anglos, but simply because they are natural rights given to all men.

    This does not mean “Jews are entitled to other people’s stuff” nor “Jews are entitled to attend–much less numerically dominate–Protestant universities” nor even “Jews ought to be invited to all private clubs”. You carefully, edited off the concluding paragraph which makes this basic public/private dicotomy clear. (I include the whole thing below.)

    May the children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig-tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid.

    “His own vine and fig tree.” Very clear stuff. Natural rights for all, and then go about your own private business. Washington would have been appalled by the notion that the government should be running around *making* some people do business with other people or making some people associate with other people.

    ~
    I’ll go further. This public/private distinction that Washington briefly sketches here is a critical one–in fact it is *the* critical one. It is precisely the freedom for people to have their own private stuff–property, businesses, schools, publications, organizations–that is not within the purview of the state to boss around that is the soul of freedom. Private stuff not being at the disposal of the thugs–whether commies or Nazis or kleptocratic globalist elites or “what’s good for the Jews” busybodies like yourself–is what keeps a society free. When the state can order private persons and organizations around and tell them who they must admit or associate with, we are no longer free.

    Gentlemen,
    While I receive, with much satisfaction, your Address replete with expressions of affection and esteem; I rejoice in the opportunity of assuring you, that I shall always retain a grateful remembrance of the cordial welcome I experienced in my visit to Newport, from all classes of Citizens.

    The reflection on the days of difficulty and danger which are past is rendered the more sweet, from a consciousness that they are succeeded by days of uncommon prosperity and security. If we have wisdom to make the best use of the advantages with which we are now favored, we cannot fail, under the just administration of a good Government, to become a great and happy people.

    The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

    It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my Administration, and fervent wishes for my felicity. May the children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig-tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy.

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  287. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    1940 at the earliest. And Britain and France had already declared war on Germany.

    Also, it’s one thing to have a plan as a brainstorm or contingency, another thing to put it into effect. I’m quite sure the United States has a number of contingency plans that would alarm people if reported as a plan-plan. This plan probably had elements of a contingency plan.

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    , @Anonymous
  288. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Lot

    I agree antisemitic dissent gets shut down in mainstream spaces these days. But it isn’t because of Jewish power, but because Nazi Germany showed the world how evil antisemites are, and what they will do if they reach positions of power.

    This is easily observable.

    No country has made ‘antisemitic dissent’ more taboo than Germany.

    Yet Germany has had few Jews since WWII.

    Clearly, both are the result of the nightmarish excesses of cuddly uncle Adolf.

    It’s almost like losing the biggest war ever and being responsible millions of deaths in the process might not only ruin your reputation but also discredit your ideology.

    Personally, when something goes absolutely insanely wrong, I try to ensure that I am not associated with it.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  289. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Anon

    Only to someone with the mind of the sociopath. If you hadn’t noticed, Western societies went from centripetal to centrifugal sometime around the 60s. That, not cold, evil plotting behind closed doors, seems a likelier explanation for how people named their newborns to me. It blows my mind that it wouldn’t to you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anon
  290. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    As I’ve said many times, the Jews who defected to actually become part of their local community are my ancestors not the ancestors of your Jewish side relatives.

    You make it sound like the Montagues and the Capulets. Which itself would have been pretty weird if the ratio between them was 50:1 and half of the ’1′ were married to members of the 50.

  291. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Yeah, that’s why Che shirts are — no, wait a minute …

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  292. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    A Castro still rules Cuba and Castro did a lot better with Cuba than Hitler did with Germany. Also, Che was considerably more handsome than Adolf. Try again.

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    , @J.Ross
  293. @Jack D

    Jack D – I would treat anything on Wikipedia on a subject like that with caution. Wikipedia is great for the number of electrons on a carbon atom or the length of the Danube, not so great on a subject where there may be axes to be ground, be they anti-Catholic, anti-Christian, or feminist.

    “the motivations started to range from a need to maintain social and moral order within the bounds of patriarchal structure, to a desire to continue profiting from a free workforce” – no axes to grind there, no siree.

    (That’s not to say that nothing bad ever happened to anyone btw).

  294. @SFG

    World War II as frustrated sports fandom.

    I am pretty serious about this idea.

    Men have been going to war for a long, long time. Some feudal lord would think it only right and fitting that if he lost his last war, he’d go back to war and get vengeance.

    Hitler really, really wanted to taste victory. It had been so close in 1918, a colossal triumph in the East and a giant offensive in the West that looked for a month or so like it might take Paris. And then … defeat.

    But WWI showed that war was really awful with modern technology. The winners started to doubt it had been worth it.

    Hitler personally loved war, but to get the Germans to go along with his plan to do it again, he couldn’t just make it a war for a leader’s glory. He had to turn it into a people’s war that would give Germans land and slaves to the Urals and establish a 1000 years of German peace and domination. And that made it worse.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Pat Hannagan
    , @Lot
  295. @Anonymous

    The British had WW2 plans to retake the Irish harbours of Cobh (near Cork City), Lough Swilly in Donegal, and Berehaven (County Cork), which would have added hundreds of miles extra radius to anti-submarine patrols. It’s probable that they’d have been forced to take them had Enigma decrypts (showing German submarine locations) not been available.

  296. Hhsiii says:
    @Anonymous

    I suppose you have a tortured counter factual. Ease up.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  297. Hhsiii says:
    @Anonymous

    And the German government had helped facilitate the bolshies and their murderous regime. Being anti-communist doesn’t excuse all faults. Hitler was a socialist after all. :)

  298. SFG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Fair enough. That makes a lot of sense (sports does use the same tribal module as war, and was probably intended at least in part as a replacement), it just sounded funny the way you said it.

    Which may have been the intention. :)

  299. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Treblinka_extermination_camp

    Thursday, October 22, 1942 was a busy day at the death factory – it’s not easy to kill over 30,000 people in one day.

    The Germans were usually meticulous record keepers but they didn’t keep detailed records at Treblinka so you’ll notice that they have only round numbers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  300. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    The vine and fig tree line is a Biblical quote and not Washington’s own words.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  301. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    The Founding Fathers gave a lot of thought to questions like this because they were starting a new form of government with a “clean sheet” design – you don’t get a chance to do that very often. And their conclusion was the exact opposite.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..

    They didn’t say that all men are equal but WASPs are more equal than others.

  302. @Steve Sailer

    Riveting stuff, Steve.

    You should submit this as a synopsis for a VE Day special on the The Hitler Channel.

    Guaranteed yuge payday but make sure you get in before all the boomers die out.

    The younger gen’s not so keen on your blarney https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-younger-evangelicals-waver-in-support-for-israel-1527937200

  303. @AnotherDad

    What I said to the side, still love your work though, AnotherDad.

    You’ve been holding your own throughout this thread, mate.

    All power to you!

  304. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Weren’t most of the Japanese who immigrated to Hawaii drawn from the bottom tiers of Japanese society?

    Many “Japanese” who immigrated to Hawaii were in fact Ryukyuans who were ethnically and linguistically distinct from Japanese. The Ryukyu Kingdom continued under Japanese suzerainty until 1879 before it was formally absorbed.

    Ryukyuans are ethnically distinct from main island Japanese. Their languages were distinct from but related to Japanese. The languages are now moribund as a result of systematic Japanization, especially after the U.S. returned the occupied Ryukyus to Japan in 1972.

    During the final phase of World War II, Okinawa was the only part of “Japan” to experience a land invasion. Soldiers from the main Japanese islands often treated Ryukyuans as a subject race. Tens of thousands of Ryukyuans including teams of young girls were forced into suicide missions armed only with sharpened bamboo poles. Ryukyuan peasant families were simply murdered by Japanese soldiers who took over defensive caves dug by Ryukyuans.

    The Japanese now insist on calling the territory “Okinawa” and continue to work hard to suppress any memory of the name “Ryukyu” and of the Ryukyuans’ own ethnic and linguistic traditions.

  305. @Anon

    Actually, most researchers now believe Tom Watson (the “ours, by the eternal God!” guy) did it. Typical sociopath: commit a crime, then lead the villagers with their torches in a crusade against somebody else.

    • Replies: @HA
  306. @Tyrion 2

    Without the mustache, Hitler didn’t look that weird. Google it.

    Of course he was still no match for that soulful picture of Che with the beret.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  307. Corvinus says:
    @AnotherDad

    “Correct Corvinus. I specifically, intentionally, did not say anything about the law. As I see it–feel it–freedom of association is a fundamental natural right, just like freedom of speech or press or religion.”

    But not UNFETTERED. We have freedoms, but they also have restrictions and boundaries–which is ironic in a way–and there are consequences, whether it be legal or social, when they are exercised in a manner that the larger society had determined to be other than appropriate.

    “But what “the law” decrees is completely arbitrary.”

    No. Our laws are specific, and they are not random or unpredictable.

    “Do stuff like make Christian bakers bake wedding cakes for some homosexuals getting married who feel like harassing Christians. Talking about what is “legal” is not particularly interesting–it’s just whatever the guys with guns are making people do right now.”

    This situation involves conflicting rights–the liberty to practice one’s religion without interference versus the liberty of due process by way of public accommodation laws. On one hand, the baker could have easily served the couple. On the other hand, the couple could have sought another vendor.

    The court, to me, took the easy way out and chose not to make a definitive ruling on the matter as to which liberty is more important in this particular circumstance.

    “Since the court based its ruling on the state commission’s treatment of Phillips, the decision did not provide the sweeping victory for religious rights that some backing Phillips hoped to see. Phillips had originally asked the court to rule that wedding cakes are an artistic expression of speech and religion protected by the First Amendment, but the court did not go that far.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/news/390531-supreme-court-sides-with-baker-in-same-sex-wedding-case

    “Talking about what is “legal” is not particularly interesting–it’s just whatever the guys with guns are making people do right now.”

    Actually, it is interesting. And, no, it is not about what “guys with guns” are “making people do”.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  308. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    That train left the station a long time ago. Forced segregation in the South was ALSO imposed by state power. The trolley operators of New Orleans did NOT want to run separate trolleys for black people or to have to figure out which side of the color line their Creole customers fell on but the government forced them to do that. Somehow that was “states rights”, not “state power”.

    There is such a thing as a truly private sphere – who you invite to your dinner table. But people who run buses, restaurants, hotels, etc. are not inviting people into their homes – they are businesses extending an implicit invitation to ALL comers (who comport themselves properly). These establishments receive taxpayer provided benefits (the use of the roads, sewer systems, street lights, etc.) and it is reasonable for them to accommodate all taxpayers in return.

    There is some line drawing required ( is a B&B more like a private home than a business?) but the general idea that “common carriers” have an obligation to take on all comers extends back hundreds of years.

    I think that if the shoe was on the other foot – that if you yourself were the TARGET of discrimination (and, increasing whites are, although it is usually in a backhanded way) you would suddenly have a different feeling about how people have a natural right to discriminate against you.

  309. Ian M. says:
    @Jack D

    Right, I disagree with the founders.

  310. There is such a thing as a truly private sphere – who you invite to your dinner table. But people who run buses, restaurants, hotels, etc. are not inviting people into their homes – they are businesses extending an implicit invitation to ALL comers (who comport themselves properly). These establishments receive taxpayer provided benefits (the use of the roads, sewer systems, street lights, etc.) and it is reasonable for them to accommodate all taxpayers in return.

    There is some line drawing required ( is a B&B more like a private home than a business?) but the general idea that “common carriers” have an obligation to take on all comers extends back hundreds of years.

    Fair enough, but the Common Carrier Doctrine is much more circumscribed than the modern notion that engaging in any commercial activity strips one of his First Amendment Rights.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  311. Warner says:
    @HA

    Wow. Way back in 2006. That’s amazing. And that’s why I spend half my time on the internet with this site!

  312. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Hitler’s desire to reclaim territory certainly wasn’t any more unreasonable than Zionist designs on Palestine,

    This makes sense only if you are a rabid anti-Semite. To anyone else they are not remotely the same. Maybe if Hitler had stopped at re-occupying the Ruhr you could compare the two, but the bloody conquest of Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals in which tens of millions died is not remotely comparable.

    • Agree: Benjaminl
  313. Jack D says:
    @Hhsiii

    I realize that answering him (her/it?) is casting pearls before swine but maybe others will learn something.

    As it was, two of my uncles (one of whom survived the war – the other was killed by Poles who we now know from the Polish government were NOT anti-Semitic) who were living in hiding in the nearby countryside (I should add aided by helpful Poles – Poland was a very mixed bag, but as you can see from this forum it doesn’t take too many people peeing in the soup to ruin it for everyone) and were aware that the entire town (including their parents and sisters) had been (violently) evacuated. Those evacuated would disappear into the “East” and were never heard from again. We now know that the train went to Treblinka and that everyone on the train (who didn’t die en route) was gassed upon arrival. That’s all that anyone will ever know – no one is alive to say any more than that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  314. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas

    It was definitely more circumscribed at common law but it’s no great intellectual leap to say that if Greyhound Bus Lines has to accommodate everyone who wants to ride the bus then they should also have to accommodate everyone who wants to sit at the lunch counter in the bus station. There is really not a lot of 1st Amendment expression involved in a chicken salad sandwich.

  315. HA says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    “Actually, most researchers now believe Tom Watson (the “ours, by the eternal God!” guy) did it.”

    That is simply not true, unless by “researchers” you mean “Bigfoot experts, and also historians who believe Abraham Lincoln was the Yorkshire ripper and the true author of Shakespeare’s plays”. Because that’s the level of “researching” one would need to come up with a theory that.

    Watson was an early choice by Frank’s family to legally defend Leo Frank. Someone now seriously believes he was the actual murderer?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @Jack D
  316. @Pat Hannagan

    Pat, you really don’t do much reading, do you?

    Bugliosi argues that JFK was NOT the victim of a conspiracy but of a lone gunman, namely Lee Harvey Oswald.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
  317. @HA

    Circulation of Watson’s publications skyrocketed when he started his anti-Frank campaign, and it helped him get back into politics. He knew which side his bread was buttered on: create a problem, and you can appear to solve it.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    , @HA
  318. Ian M. says:
    @AnotherDad

    As I see it–feel it–freedom of association is a fundamental natural right, just like freedom of speech or press or religion.

    None of these is a fundamental natural right.

    Take freedom of speech or religion: these presuppose some implicit and more fundamental moral code that determines what counts as free speech or permissible religious practice in the first place.

  319. @Samuel Skinner

    In this case, known as the Every Damn Time Effect.

  320. Jack D says:
    @HA

    It’s much more likely that Jim Conley (the black janitor) was the murderer.

    Some Jewish guys are not above making a deal with women who would not otherwise be seduced by their (non-existent) charm and good looks – I’ll put something extra in your pay packet if you give me something extra in return. I would not be shocked if Leo Frank was Atlanta’s answer to Harvey Weinstein.

    But murder is more of a black thang.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @HA
    , @AnotherDad
  321. @Steve Sailer

    After just ten thousand hours of practicing you could cultivate the knack, Steve! Of course, then you’ll despise the talent and never want to use it again….

  322. Jack D says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I’ve noticed that even in our new shattered America, Chinese-Americans still tend to give their kids English first names, though if you name your kid Henry Liu or Benjamin Xue you clearly aren’t hiding anything (not that naming your kid Seymour Dershowitz ever hid anything either). BUT, S. Asians usually give their kids Hindu names. And Koreans are maybe 50/50. I have no explanation.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    , @Steve Sailer
  323. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    He loved war is true enough, but it was never remotely reasonable to think he could conquer Europe. Even if he had better luck and taken Moscow and Leningrad, the Russians would have kept fighting and he was running low on manpower with long supply lines and Russians burning everything as they retreated.

    That the UK would launch strategic bombings of German cities if not conquered was also foreseeable. The first successful firebomb destruction of a German city was in March 1942.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_L%C3%BCbeck_in_World_War_II

    By May 1942 Britain launched its first 1000 bomber raid, of Cologne

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  324. @Jack D

    No, the 1790 Immigration Act which limited immigration to the US basically for whites only did that just fine. Other immigration laws all the way up to 1965 also bear this out.

    You quote a snippet out of its context and make it appear as if that’s the be all, end all, final word on everything pertaining to immigration, race, etc. and that’s naive. For balance, would suggest you go to Amren and listen to Jared Taylor on Jefferson’s phrase.

    The idea that Founding Fathers were not race realists or were egalitarians to the max (e.g. like Revolutionary France during the same era) is simply ridiculous. A bit of Emma Lazarus creeping into the interpretation.

    For that generation, “all men” in context directly pertained to whites first and foremost. Otherwise they’d have abolished slavery right there and then. Duh. Also, until the rise of Andrew Jackson in politics in the 1820′s, “all men” directly pertained to those adult white males who held property, much like in Ancient Athens. Does appear that 21st century wants to load up Jefferson’s snippet to make it appear that he was advocating for all sorts of things that simply never occurred to him.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
  325. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    Even adjusting for IQ, that’s a massive overrepresentation, several multiples, of Jews relative to Catholics.

    Harvard at that time did admissions by test – they had an entrance exam and they would rank order the test takers and anyone who scored above the cutoff was admitted. The same way that (75% Asian) Stuyvesant High in NY still does it. (This BTW is often how they do university admissions in countries that are ethnically homogenous to this day). So “overrepresentation” was a function of the relative # of Jews and Catholics who were interested in taking the admission test and who scored high on it. Maybe high IQ Catholics preferred Boston U. Whatever the reason, each applicant was considered on his academic ability and not according to his race or religion .

    Some people (me) think that this is a very fair and appropriate way to do admissions to academic institutions, certainly better than the ridiculous system we have now in order to hide the fact that there are secret racial quotas (nowadays to keep out Asians instead of Jews and to overpromote blacks and Hispanics). Even openly announced quotas would be better than today’s hypocrisy where quotas exist but we pretend that they don’t.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    , @Steve Sailer
    , @snorlax
  326. Jack D says:
    @ben tillman

    So all the DNA evidence means nothing? Anti-semites are like leftists in that feelz is much more important to them than facts. Emotional truth (that the Jew is the “other”) trumps scientific truth (that Ashkenazi Jews have mostly European DNA).

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/10/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

  327. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Was it a stretch that the Americans might have forced the winners to agree to an equitable peace?

    1st of all, this assumes that the Americans really wanted a peace deal that was different from the one that was ultimately agreed upon. 2nd that they were really in a position to impose that deal on France and Britain. I don’t think either one was true.

    There is a general feeling that Americans are somehow naive and allow themselves to get screwed in negotiations with devious Old World types whether they are buying a rug or a peace treaty, but I have more respect for Americans than that. There was a negotiation and everyone pushed and pulled for their (possibly selfish and short sighted) interests and the Treaty came out more or less the way that it was fated to come out given the power dynamics of the time. The same thing happened at Yalta.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Steve Sailer
  328. Thea says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    But a lot of the police where white British. They metaphorically pimped our the daughters of their people.

    British men could join together to make it clear there are consequences for gang raping these girls but they are pansies about it

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  329. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    With hindsight the Allied victory seems inevitable but before the American entry into the war and before Stalingrad it sure didn’t look inevitable. Without America supplying Britain (and Russia) and if the Soviets had collapsed it might have come out differently.

    (Incredibly costly in men and materiel) 1,000 bomber raids destroyed a lot of people’s houses but did remarkably little to hurt the war effort because the Germans moved key war industries underground. If anything, people became more dedicated to their work because there was nothing to go home to and now they had a really good reason for hating the Allies – the mirror image of what happened in Britain.

  330. donut says:
    @Lot

    ” And antisemitism is just as disreputable in Oklahoma as New Jersey, despite the large gap in Jewish influence.” You think so do you ? Your friends are as false as you are .

  331. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    I disagree the strategic bombing of Germany wasn’t effective.

    Some data here:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ruhr

    It would have become worse and worse over time. Even if damage is contained and infrastructure rebuilt underground, it was asymmetric warfare, as one bomber and cheap incendiaries cause far more damage than they cost to build and operate.

    That it was less effective than its optimistic proponents thought I think gets blurred into the idea it wasn’t highly effective.

    Something that never happened but could have would be the British sending large armies from India against Germany.

    If the war had continued without German Eastern Front losses as high as they were, Germany would have have faced internal revolts in occupied areas as the Germans demanded more and more but had fewer and fewer people on the ground to occupy. That they retaliated with massacres as their first resort shows their weak hold over those areas.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  332. @Warner

    Was Kravitz’ dad prominent or famous? I genuinely don’t know, but since you called him “Lenny Kravitz’ dad” maybie not. People don’t often say “Ivanka Trump’s dad” or “Keith Urban’s wife” to refer to Donald Trump or Nicole Kidman.

    And if the guy is not prominent in his own right, does being a famous musician’s father make him prominent? I mean, if I say “hardly any taxidermists are famous” but it turns out Axl Rose’s nephew is a taxidermist, does that mean there is at least one prominent taxidermist after all, or only that someone knows relevant trivia about an actually prominent person’s (Rose’s) family?

    I’m not out to be a pedantic jerk. I genuinely think this phenomenon merits note because I see it pretty commonly in this forum and other contexts – citing a relation of a famous, successful, rich, handsome, whatever person as evidence people with that trait are also x…but I don’t buy the logic and I think we should be wary of it.

  333. @Jack D

    At the Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons, the percentage of Jewish students fell to 6 percent from 47 percent between 1920 and 1940.

    Jack, according to this source:

    http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Studies/downloadFile.cfm?FileID=2921

    The Jewish percentage of the total US population from 1920-1940 was 3.12-3.68%

    Aside from the wildly discriminatory effect in FAVOR of Jews in that Jews composed 47% of the students at the Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons, 16X above their composition of the American population at the time (and certainly denied to a significant number of competent enough Gentiles who could have attended), even dropping to 6% was double their percentage of the US population of the time. I’d hardly call that discrimination AGAINST Jews. If anything, it moved much closer to their actual proportion of the US population at large.

    • Replies: @Anon
  334. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    We hold these truths to be self-evident:

    Which implies that people who don’t hold these truths to be self-evident are part of a subordinate culture, or at least not part of the dominant culture.

  335. Ian M. says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    I thought that most researchers think that Jim Conley did it.

    I’m no expert on the case, but that seems to fit.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  336. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Try again? Really? I would say not now but maybe soon.
    At least I was able to clarify your real point: winning is winning, morality is something Palestinians or Cherokees cry about.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  337. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Jack, this is wildly incorrect, and you must know it to be wrong.

  338. hyperbola says:
    @Anon

    There is a nice summary here about the cover-up.

    RFK and the End of an Era

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/06/05/rfk-and-the-end-of-an-era/

    …. It’s not widely known that Sirhan Sirhan’s attorneys did not mount a defense to the charges against him. Instead they resorted to what’s known as an alternative defense called “stipulation to the evidence.” In legal terms this means the defense accepts the testimony and exhibits presented by prosecutor as valid. Therefore, there was no argument in court over the medical, eyewitness or ballistics evidence.

    What the trial was really about was Sirhan’s mental state. Since his legal team thought he was guilty, they tried to avoid capital punishment by arguing he was mentally unbalanced at the time. This failed, and Sirhan only escaped electrocution because California later outlawed the death penalty.

    As Tate and Johnson show, this defense strategy doomed Sirhan. For example, when coroner Thomas Noguchi was on the stand, lead defense lawyer Grant Cooper actually tried to curtail his testimony by saying, “Is all this detail necessary? I think he can express an opinion that death was due to a gunshot wound.”

    Noguchi should have been Sirhan’s star witness, and Cooper should have had him on the stand all day, the authors argue. Noguchi’s 62-page autopsy report proved that all the bullets that hit the senator entered from behind Kennedy. They also entered at extreme upward angles and at close range, i.e. from 1-3 inches.

    Sirhan Not Close Enough

    Every witness in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel placed Sirhan in front of Kennedy, and at a distance of 2-5 feet. The fatal headshot struck RFK behind the right ear at point blank range, with the barrel almost touching his skin. As the authors note: How could not one single witness recall such a horrifying image? Witnesses put Sirhan in front of Bobby Kennedy and therefore he could not have been close enough to fire the shot that ended Kennedy’s life…..

    ….. RFK Jr. Visits Sirhan

    Robert Kennedy Jr. has now become the first Kennedy family member to openly question the verdict in the murder of his father. A few months ago, he did what what Martin Luther King’s son, Dexter King, did in 1997 when he visited James Earl Ray in prison, leading Dexter to believe in Ray’s innocence in the murder of his father.

    A few months ago, Kennedy Jr. quietly visited Sirhan in prison. After months of sifting through the evidence at the behest of Schrade, he came to the conclusion that Sirhan had not killed his father. This startling news was reported by the The Washington Post. Kennedy Jr. supports Schrade’s plea for a new investigation. Kennedy’s son is an experienced attorney who is partly responsible for getting his cousin Michael Skakel out of prison. Kennedy’s book on that case was a powerful exposé of how the justice system failed when it was improperly influenced by outside factors.

    Kennedy Jr.’s pronouncement may finally give his father’s case the attention and the serious analysis it deserves. Reading Tate and Johnson’s book shows how poor of a job the mainstream media has done.

  339. Ian M. says:
    @Jack D

    I’ve observed the same patterns. Chinese immigrants also will adopt English names when they come to the U.S. Hindus don’t, and in my experience, Koreans don’t either.

  340. Ian M. says:
    @Jack D

    Maybe high IQ Catholics preferred Boston U.

    You mean Boston College? Boston U is Methodist.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  341. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Is it really likely that a Southern jury in 1913 would not fix the guilt on a black man if they had half a reason to do so?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  342. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ian M.

    that seems to fit

    Normally I would think so too, but it seems strange to me that he could have convinced people at the time he was innocent, and to fix the blame on a relatively well-respected white man, if he was in fact guilty.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
  343. utu says:
    @ben tillman

    Who cares? It’s false.

    IT is fake in more ways than one. I would be very cautious about claims concerning Ashkenazi connection to the ME. The issue is too important politically to be left to sicken to resolve it See how Bennett Greenspan, founder of Family Tree DNA feels about it:

    http://www.avotaynuonline.com/2015/06/genetic-census-of-the-jewish-people/

    The media, particularly on the web, carries regular features from enemies of Israel describing theories to the effect that Ashkenazi Jews have no connection to the land of Israel and are, in fact, European and Central Asian interlopers.

    Would you trust his science?

  344. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The numbers on the chart seem to be based simply on transport bills, originated at the towns of evacuation, or with the transport outfit (train?), or at the camp upon arrival. You seem to suggest they record deaths by gas chambers on the dates given. How do you arrive at that conclusion? You mention the Germans did not keep detailed records at Treblinka – what sort of records were neglected that we might otherwise expect them to have kept?

    Please note however that my polite questions to you were really directed at the facts and epistemology of your own family’s experience, something which you had introduced into the discussion here of your own accord. In case my two previous inquiries were less than clear, I’ll ask a third time, reworded for hopefully greater clarity: How is it that you know that your grandfather was at Treblinka and died at Treblinka? How is it that you know how he died? (For example, what are the specific facts and reasoning that give you this knowledge? Are there any documents?)

    • Replies: @Jack D
  345. utu says:
    @Jack D

    They would run whole towns through Treblinka.

    Which towns? The process was more complex and occurring in many stages. Some people were sent to labor camps some stayed in place in ghetto and then transferred to another ghetto, some were taken to local labor sites, then there were mass shootings done locally. I do not know of any single case where the whole town was sent to Treblinka.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jack D
  346. Brutusale says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Yeah, it’s a big deal when a guy goes from Chairman to Chairman Emeritus.

    He has the WASP in place as CEO, so he went back to The Tribe for a new chairman, Myron Ullman. But make no mistake about who’s in charge.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Tyrion 2
  347. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Captain Tripps

    discriminatory effect in FAVOR of Jews

    Well, we don’t know if that was the case. It’s possible that that reflects the applications from qualified candidates at the time, especially considering Columbia is in NYC. Anyway it’s bizarre. Probably there was originally some favoritism towards Jews followed by a reaction. Ivy league schools are constantly jiggering admissions to reflect current politics.

  348. @Steve Sailer

    Sandy Koufax sounds like a guy that I’d like to share a bottle of whisky with pretty much any time. Don Drysdale sounds like a guy I would initially like, then he would eventually get on my nerves and I’d want to punch him.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  349. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    My point had nothing to do with morality. It was an amoral observation about practicality…and winning has a great deal to do with practicality.

    Now if you want to argue that larping about in Nazi gear is so morally good that ‘damn the practicalities’, fine! You may be mad but I admire your integrity.

    I do need to add though that I rather wish that you would prioritise achieving rectification for the current-day concerns of yours which are legitimate over quixotically trying to rehabilitate someone who is very likely the least rehabilitatable individual in history.

    I suppose it makes you feel smart to get one over the normies with your red pill ‘facts’ on Hitler but you forget that you’ve probably spent years prepping while they don’t care and think you’re weird…or worse.

    Perhaps his reputation really is besmirched and it’s all a lie and only you know how wonderful and honourable the bloke was but then again, Hitler gave the most damning self-assessment when he chomped down on that cyanide pill.

    I truly believe that Jews and others need to let the Holocaust be as an historical tragedy rather than constantly trying to make it somehow present but if my criticism is apt for them then it is doubly so for you. At least when they don’t let their sick dog die they get jobs out of it. As opposed to being socially ostracised and their political demands being damned by association.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  350. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I realize that answering him (her/it?) is casting pearls before swine

    My posts to you have been polite and relevant. Your gratuitous insults are interesting. This is a topic that you introduced to the thread. I don’t get a sense you are uncomfortable discussing it from an emotional perspective, although I am beginning to sense you are ducking certain questions.

    As it was, two of my uncles … who were living in hiding in the nearby countryside … and were aware that the entire town (including their parents and sisters) had been (violently) evacuated.

    These were the sons of your grandfather, brothers to your mother or brother? They were hiding out on the outskirts of town but your parents and sisters continued to live in the town? Why was that?

    Those evacuated would disappear into the “East” and were never heard from again. We now know that the train went to Treblinka and that everyone on the train (who didn’t die en route) was gassed upon arrival.

    I’ve just posted a separate reply to you about this, asking how you know they were sent to Treblinka and what–and how–you know about what happened to them from there.

  351. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale

    Yeah, it’s a big deal when a guy goes from Chairman to Chairman Emeritus.

    Is it?

  352. @Ian M.

    Watson wasn’t anti-Black or anti-Jew until it served his career to be both. He had made no comment during Frank’s trial, but when he saw that his longtime adversary Sen. Hoke Smith supported Frank, he promptly took the opposing stand.

    If he was not the actual murderer cleverly covering his tracks, he was certainly a cold-blooded opportunist. He was less of a Hitler and more of a Goebbels: a master-manipulator rather than a true believer.

    • Replies: @HA
    , @PV van der Byl
  353. Brutusale says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    Boyo, 99% of Americans couldn’t care less that RFK has been dead for 50 years. The hullabaloo has been puffed up by the press to prop up the potential 2020 POTUS candidacy of one Joseph Kennedy III, affectionately know to us in MA as Joe Da Turd..

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/06/joe-kennedy-2020-democrats-off-message-216942

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    , @Anon
  354. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Brutusale

    Are you familiar with corporate hierachies, especially at the highest level? Normally this transition means that: he’ll get paid a lot less, that he’ll go in maybe once a week and that everyone internal will listen to him but do what the other guy says, and while the other guy will pretend to be asking his advice he will really be passing over the political nonsense type jobs.

    His day in work will be spent talking with his secretary, who he’ll keep, and hosting meetings and patiently fielding phone calls from people asking for money. Not that he’ll really be able to release it anymore, as he has no ‘executive’ power, which is exactly why it’ll be his job. To take the meetings that Starbucks can’t refuse but has no interest in anything coming of them.

    If he’s particularly productive he’ll end up organising Starbucks to be the part sponsor of a minor sports tournament and he’ll have a great day because when he turns up everyone will treat him like he’s still the man.

    He’ll still be immensely rich. His job will stay far better paid than average and he will barely have to work for it. I certainly don’t feel sorry for him. Nonetheless, he has quite clearly been put out to pasture.

    What else can you do with someone who’s past their prime but owns a bucket load of shares?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  355. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    1st of all, this assumes that the Americans really wanted a peace deal that was different from the one that was ultimately agreed upon. 2nd that they were really in a position to impose that deal on France and Britain. I don’t think either one was true.

    First of all, no. I only need to suggest, which I have done, that Americans should have sought equitable peace terms. The view that the Versailles Treaty was unfair and oppressive to Germany and was a significant causal factor to World War II is a well established mainstream one. Second, the thrust of the question is whether America should have acted more vigorously to secure a fair and lasting peace. I would think it had leverage over France and Britain to justify making more of an effort.

    There is a general feeling that Americans are somehow naive and allow themselves to get screwed in negotiations with devious Old World types

    They got screwed by devious Old World types into entering the war to begin with. It’s not a stretch to think they got screwed in the peace.

  356. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    I’m just grateful you restrained your enthusiasm about the overwhelming success of the Juche idea.

  357. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    But murder is more of a black thang.

    Although Jack the Ripper was Jewish.

  358. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Holy cow, deserves its own thread. This is a belated response to all the hairbrained racial-political stunts?

  359. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    He loved war is true enough, but it was never remotely reasonable to think he could conquer Europe.

    It isn’t remotely reasonable to think he intended to conquer Europe.

  360. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Sounds like they didn’t know what do to with so many refugees and other people.

    • Replies: @utu
  361. Brutusale says:
    @Ian M.

    And my alma mater, Boston University (B-Jew, Tel Aviv on the Charles), is most assuredly far afield from its Methodist roots.

  362. @Captain Tripps

    Drysdale, a giant surfer dude from the Valley, was kind of the What Makes Sammy Run guy of the pair, while Koufax, born in Brooklyn, played baseball like the hero wearing a white hat in a cowboy movie.

    I came up with a fairly novel statistic: batsmen hit with pitches / wild pitches thrown as a test of meanness. Some pitchers hit a lot of people because they don’t have much control and thus also throw a lot of wild pitches as well. Others hit batters because they want to scare batters. The ratio shows intent.

    Drysdale hit a lot more batters than he threw wild pitches, a nastier ratio than, say, Bob Gibson’s. (The worst ratio of all was Senator Jim Bunning.) Koufax, in contrast, only hit 18 batters in his 12 year career. He didn’t hit anybody in his final season when he threw IIRC 336 innings. Would Gary Cooper have knocked batters down? I don’t think so.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  363. Brutusale says:
    @Tyrion 2

    This is his third “retirement”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schultz

    He’s still the man. It’s just that it’s time to run for office. Throwing his kippah in the ring, as some have written.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  364. @Steve Sailer

    There is also another factor. Prior to recent decades, there were batters who were willing to get hit deliberately in order to get on base. They were masters at getting hit by pitches while “attempting” to get out of the way. It was an effective strategy and was employed throughout most of the twentieth century. A lost art today, to be sure. But no different than swinging a corked bat, or throwing outlawed pitches. Anything to gain an edge during a ballgame.

    Not necessarily saying that batters were willing to risk getting hit by Drysdale in order to be awarded 1B, but at the same time there is historical precedent to suggest that at least a few batters that Drysdale hit were in fact deliberate on the part of the batter and not him directly. After all, Drysdale’s reputation was such that a batter getting hit would pretty much be assumed to be yet another one of Don’s casualties and would be automatically awarded 1B.

    In regards to nastiest of P’s who hit batters, PIT P Doc Ellis’ reputation was near Drysdales. Ellis allegedly hit the first five CIN batters to start a game because he thought that the Reds were trying to intimidate the Pirates, or so the story goes.

  365. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    As it was, two of my uncles (one of whom survived the war – the other was killed by Poles who we now know from the Polish government were NOT anti-Semitic) who were living in hiding in the nearby countryside (I should add aided by helpful Poles – Poland was a very mixed bag) and were aware that the entire town (including their parents and sisters) had been (violently) evacuated

    If I understand the scenario, two of your uncles (who were siblings of either your father or your mother) were hiding on the outskirts of town, while the rest of the family (parents and sisters) continued to reside in the town. What were the circumstances of the death of the uncle who you say was killed by Poles? How did the family come to learn of the circumstances? I take it that knowledge didn’t come through the parents and sisters, who would have been evacuated from the town by then.

  366. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    First of all they created the refugees themselves. In different placed different things were happening and one may get an impression they were not coordinated and often improvised and sometimes contradictory. How different groups of perpetrators communicated their plans and intentions and what did they know and when? It all can be explained but strenuously. Because of the lack of paper trail it all looks strange and, I would say, un-German. For instance very soon after conquering Poland Jews from Silesia were sent to near the border with USSR in occupied Poland where they were supposed to create a new settlement. Anyway it did not work and some Jews were allowed or even encouraged to escape to USSR and other were allowed to return to their homes in Silesia (see Nisko and Lublin Plan). This project was supervised by Eichmann. So what was his conclusion then: it did not work so we will send them to Madagascar then after we conquer France or perhaps we will kill later? It looks like that Nazis did not know what they were going to do with Jews and it is possible that extermination did not enter their minds until much later and many perpetrators at different levels and stages were not on the board and were not really aware what was going on.

  367. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    As Jewish power in the United States increased from the 60s onward, Jews felt there was less to be gained from assimilating–or appearing to assimilate–to the (once) dominant culture.

    If you want to call that a “cold, evil, plotting behind closed doors,” that’s on you. It may indicate you have a guilty conscience.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  368. @Jack D

    (Incredibly costly in men and materiel) 1,000 bomber raids destroyed a lot of people’s houses but did remarkably little to hurt the war effort because the Germans moved key war industries underground.

    I was suckered into believing this interpretation, until I spent a few minutes thinking about it. Allied war production expanded massively, while German war production came nowhere close to the Allied increase. These people are saying, in effect, that unless Allied bombings shut down German production completely or limited its increase to zero, the bombing campaign was a failure. That’s a pretty arbitrary standard. For most actual wars, it’s impossible and, more importantly, unnecessary to completely shut anything down to defeat your enemy. It’s only required that you limit his supplies to below the level he needs to defend himself effectively. And that’s what the Allied bombings accomplished – they limited German production to the point that each German fighter plane and tank faced multiple adversaries. That was how the Allies prevailed in the face of superior German soldiery.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  369. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Anon

    I think it’s strange when an English Jew doesn’t have an English surname nevermind first name and I was born way after the 60s, so no guilty conscience for me.

    Your two statements are also different. The second is probably part of the picture but the first was a wholly dehumanised way of how you thought Jews would think of naming their babies. You know that though, given how you changed your statement.

    • Replies: @Anon
  370. Ian M. says:
    @Anon

    Well, a similar thing happened with the Amanda Knox circus. She was found guilty of murder based on the specious testimony of Rudy Guede, but she was pretty clearly innocent. The real killer was Guede.

    • Replies: @res
  371. @Johann Ricke

    The Allies’ 1943-45 Italian Campaign was perhaps a bigger waste of resources.

    The previous North African campaign was trivial but at least it was practice, especially for the untested Americans. Conquering Italy from the Germans was a meatgrinder that didn’t accomplish much.

    • Replies: @Lot
  372. @PV van der Byl

    Yes, yes, BUT when it comes to RFK Bugliosi is a conspiracy theorist. Not a French conspiracy theorist, which you point out is a terrible blot against all reason and rationality, but a conspiracy theorist nevertheless.

    In fact Bugliosi, being of Italian descent, is an Italian conspiracy theorist.

    According to your own logic you can no longer rely on Bugliosi’s arguments, even in the JFK matter, due to the damning evidence that Bugliosi is a conspiracy theorist.

    Victory is mine!

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  373. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Brutusale

    I imagine this sensitivity training nonsense was not what he would have been dealing with had he not been partly stepped down already. It isn’t exactly driving revenue.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  374. @Brutusale

    Well I myself “couldn’t care less that RFK has been dead for 50 years” either. My interest is in getting to the truth as to who really did kill him and why.

    I think the assassination of politicians has ramifications, even after 50 years.

    The time you spent at Boston-U was probably for in-group networking I assume as it certainly didn’t assist in your education.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  375. Ian M. says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    For that generation, “all men” in context directly pertained to whites first and foremost. Otherwise they’d have abolished slavery right there and then. … Does appear that 21st century wants to load up Jefferson’s snippet to make it appear that he was advocating for all sorts of things that simply never occurred to him.

    Well, in an earlier draft of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson did include a passage condemning slavery:

    [King George] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

    The passage was removed as a concession to the southern delegates to get them on board. Jefferson did want slavery eventually abolished (as did most of the six or seven most important founders) despite owning slaves himself.

  376. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I think it’s strange when an English Jew doesn’t have an English surname nevermind first name and I was born way after the 60s, so no guilty conscience for me.

    Red herring.

    Your two statements are also different. The second is probably part of the picture but the first was a wholly dehumanised way of how you thought Jews would think of naming their babies. You know that though, given how you changed your statement.

    How did I change my statement? What’s “dehumanised” about suggesting Jews wished to blend in, to a certain extent? You seem to be projecting.

  377. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale

    Exactly right. It’s just publicity for his son’s run for the presidency. There’s a documentary about RFK on npr His great glory is that he went to some black neighborhood in South Africa and was surrounded by adoring blacks.

    Gag gag gag. I’m so sick of the Kennedys.

  378. @Lot

    one bomber and cheap incendiaries cause far more damage than they cost to build and operate.

    Did they?

    Probably in Japan, but I don’t know about Germany for sure. Building and staffing a fleet of heavy bombers took up a lot of resources.

    One thing to keep in mind is that the air war over Germany during WWII was expensive in terms of high tech innovations in radar and counter-radar technologies. Steve Blank’s “Secret History of Silicon Valley” has a lot on the subject. His thesis is that the current basis of America’s dominance in high tech was government spending during the Cold War, with its roots in WWII’s air war. Fred Terman of Stanford spent WWII running an expensive radar lab at Harvard and vowed that when the next war came along, he was going to make damn sure that Stanford was ready to compete for government R&D largesse.

    One question was whether the British night bombing campaign, which sacrificed accuracy for survivability, paid off more than the American day bombing campaign.

    • Replies: @utu
  379. @Jack D

    Fortunately, the human race didn’t have a coherent master plan in WWII to do the maximum damage, which would have required, say, two rivals to simultaneously comes up with atomic bombs and ICBMs. The Western Allies invested in atomic bombs but not ballistic missiles, while the Germans invested in ballistic missiles but not much in atomic bombs.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  380. @Jack D

    On the other hand, the Germans didn’t really gear up to mass output of their new high tech late in the war, such as giant Tiger tanks and jet fighters. Getting flattened by bombing over and over probably contributed to the Germans’ artisanal production processes. This Hipster Hitler aspect of Germany producing small batches of innovative high tech weaponry was in contrast to the Soviets going all in on mass producing their near-optimal T-34 tank.

    • Replies: @Lot
  381. @Jack D

    Germany came out of Versailles with something like 93% of its territory. It was Austria that really got carved up.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  382. @Jack D

    Boston College is Catholic, right?

    Catholics 100 years ago tried to get smart Catholics to go to Catholic colleges rather than to Harvard. Jews in this period built tremendous hospitals, while Catholics built decent hospitals, but Jews didn’t invest too much in their own colleges the way Catholics did. Jews seemed content for their kids to go to either old Protestant colleges like Harvard, or, if they couldn’t get in to the Ivy League, to public colleges like CCNY, UCLA, Michigan, and Berkeley.

    I don’t really know the explanation for this ethnic difference in investment priorities.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Triumph104
    , @AnotherDad
  383. @Jack D

    Old Jewish first names like Seymour, Irving, and Sidney seem to reflect a love of Anglo-American history and literature.

  384. @Pat Hannagan

    Pat, I don’t know what you are smoking but it is obviously very powerful stuff. You’d probably be better off selling some of it and not just smoking it all yourself.

  385. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    The arguments over the punitive clauses of Versailles are similar to the arguments over whether Prussia was right to take Alsace-Lorraine from France after the 1870 war.

    Maybe if the Germans hadn’t done this, the French wouldn’t have been so eager for a re-fight, and you could have avoided WWI. Then again, maybe the French were always going to want revenge for their defeat, even if treated generously, in which case taking away their most important border fortress was a prudent action.

    It comes down to whether you believe certain nations are just inherently warlike and impossible to conciliate. The Prussians believed this of the French in 1870 and the Entente powers believed this of the Germans in 1918.

  386. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    That could be true, but Germany was forced to both occupy Italy and put down the short-lived new government, as well as replace Italian troops occupying Albania, Greece, and part of Southeastern France. Those resources instead could have been used to defend Northern France and Germany. German fuel was also in short supply and it needed to use a lot of it to move troops and equipment from the other fronts around or through the Alps and into Italy. It also opened up the possibility of another landing in Yugoslavia or Southern France.

    Losing so quickly Germany’s oldest and only substantial European ally was also likely demoralizing in a way that retreating slowly through the newly conquered parts of the USSR was not.

    It is hard to say because we don’t know if a 1943 invasion of France would have worked.

    I’d say the the value of the Italian front for us declined each month, Sicily was a large victory, the far South was easily won, and after than its value declined.

  387. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “This Hipster Hitler aspect of Germany producing small batches of innovative high tech weaponry”

    It’s quality posts like this that keep me coming back to iSteve.

    Also, there is a Hipster Hitler comic that is funny if you keep your expectations very low.

    http://www.hipsterhitler.com/

  388. Svigor says:
    @Jake

    Great comment, but a fairly large percentage of Southerners owned slaves before the War of Northern Aggression.

  389. HA says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    “Circulation of Watson’s publications skyrocketed when he started his anti-Frank campaign…”

    That’s all you have? He made a lot of political hay from the trial, therefore he was probably the killer?

    Your initial claim was that “most researchers” now believe Watson did it. I was hoping for a link or any evidence to show that ANY serious researcher believes this, let alone most, but you have yet to provide anything.

    Rudy Guiliani got a pretty good career boost from 9/11. That doesn’t mean he was behind it.

  390. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer

    One question was whether the British night bombing campaign, which sacrificed accuracy for survivability, paid off more than the American day bombing campaign.

    In terms of killing women and children British night bombing campaign was more effective than Americans. Otoh American fighter escorts were more effective gunning down people on the roads and fields.

  391. HA says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    “Watson wasn’t anti-Black or anti-Jew until it served his career to be both.”

    According to his wiki page, he was anti-Black and anti-Catholic before the trial, but espoused anti-Semitism later.

    after 1900 his interpretation of populism shifted. He no longer viewed the movement as being racially inclusive. By 1904, he was engaged in nativist attacks on blacks. By 1908 Watson identified as a white supremacist and ran as such during his presidential bid. He used his highly influential magazine and newspaper to launch vehement diatribes against blacks…responding to the view that eastern urban America was dominated by Catholics, Watson also became a vigorous anti-Catholic crusader.

    Note that he was initially asked to be Frank’s defense attorney.

    In 1913, shortly after Frank’s arrest, his wealthy family approached Watson with the offer of a substantial fee, in return for taking on Frank’s legal defense. Watson, who opposed the death penalty, “enjoyed a formidable reputation” as a defense attorney in capital cases. The well-known Populist Party politician, and advocate for the poor, declined the offer. Historian Albert Lindemann says that “Frank’s friends and family would not have approached Watson to defend Frank if Watson had been known to be anti-Semitic.”

  392. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “I would not be shocked if Leo Frank was Atlanta’s answer to Harvey Weinstein.”

    I would go so far as to say that seems to be the general consensus, though for obvious reasons, it’s rarely stated explicitly. While it’s doubtful that belief his guilt or innocence will be affected by shifting #MeToo attitudes towards the Weinsteins of the world (after all, one can believe that Frank was a child molester, or even a murderer, and still believe that lynching is a poor proxy for justice, even when those around you are clamoring that a rich and well-connected Jew is about to “get away with it” at the expense of a dead white Baptist girl), he doesn’t seem to have been much of a poster boy:

    Why did the Leo Frank defense team, consisting of some of the most skilled attorneys in the state, refuse to cross-examine 20 young women and girls who testified that Frank had a bad moral character? Under Georgia law, the prosecution was only allowed to use these witnesses’ testimony to enter the general fact that Frank’s character was bad. Under cross-examination, though, the defense could have forced the girls and women to give specific reasons and relate specific incidents that supported their opinion, and trip them up if they could. Why, then, did they not do so? The only reasonable answer: They knew Leo Frank’s character, and they did not dare allow any specifics to go before the jury.

    I’m not sure how much to believe the American Mercury on anything having to do with Jews, even nearly a century after Mencken retired from it, but other publications seem to concur with at least that aspect of Frank’s character:

    Rebuttal witnesses for the prosecution testified that Frank had a reputation for lasciviousness. Time and time again, Dorsey asked a parade of female former employees at the pencil factory to assess Frank’s reputation concerning “his attitude toward women,” and witness after witness replied, “bad.” Most damaging, sixteen-year-old Dewey Hall told jurors that she saw Frank talking to Mary Phagan “sometimes two or three times a day” and that she also saw him “put his hand on her shoulder.” Another witness reported seeing Frank and a female worker slip into a dressing room and “stay in there fifteen to thirty minutes.” None of what the many female rebuttal witnesses had to say concerned the day of Mary Phagan’s murder, but they left little doubt in jurors’ minds that Frank was hardly a picture of moral rectitude.

    “I’ll put something extra in your pay packet if you give me something extra in return”

    I’ll leave it to others to opine about whether he offered favors or perks in exchange for indulging in his allegedly “bad moral character”, or whether his victims were completely unwilling and nonetheless expected to put up with it as being simply the humiliating and degrading price of being employed. That probably WILL shift in light of #MeToo, very much to Frank’s detriment, though again, it probably won’t be stated publicly.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  393. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I don’t really know the explanation for this ethnic difference in investment priorities.

    Rational allocation of resources. The ultimate product of a college is not an education but a certificate. Jews recognized that diploma from a Jewish College would not be an optimal path to a career in the gentiles’ world. One does not go to a hospital for a bragging rights. Catholics were about doing good which was both giving an education and helping the sick.

  394. @Rosamond Vincy

    It was also partly a Cold War result. The US had found it difficult to find militarily competent client states–ones that were both willing and able to destroy large numbers of MiGs and T-55s. It had been terribly frustrating rooting for the South Vietnamese Army during the 60s and 70s.

  395. Nick Diaz says:
    @Steve Sailer

    As always, blowing the horn of America. Germans were 100% unconcerned with the U.S in WWI. America was not a land military power in any way, having a very small army, and it was far inferior to Britain in naval power. Conversely, the Germans had the best army in the World, an army that only two generations before had crushed Napoleon III.

    The reason why Germany surrendered in WWI was because of internal treason on the part of a significant part of the higher officers of the army and especially the navy, because the German bourgeoise thought it more advantageous to maintain trade relations with Britain, and because of *famine* . Supplies ran out, and there was no way of supplying the military far away with food and armament given the structural damages to railways and roads.

    Both in WWI and WWII, America played a very minor role in beating Germany. In WWI, a large part of the credit goes to the French(yes the French), who made the trench war extremely costly to Germany since tanks were rare and ineffective those days, and that is what would be required to take land filled with dirt bombs and mines. Germans were fighting an offensive war while the French were merely playing a defensive game, so the Germans had to walk over mine-fileld land, which gave them very heavy casualties. Russia played the second biggest role. In WWII, the credit goes almost entirely to Russia(or the former U.S.S.R): about 65% of all Wehrmacht casualties were inflicted by Russians, and *all* the biggest battles of WWII were between the Wehrmacht and the Red Army. Teh naval batttles of Guadalcanal and Midway were trivial affairs compared to the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk in terms of causalties and resources spent – I am using naval battles as an example of American efforts because America had so little few remarkable land battles in WWII. In Europe, a dilapidated Wehrmacht on the brink of collapse made the American Military retreat during the Ardennes Offensive, despite the fact that the Americans had an almost 3 to 1 numerical superiority over the Germans and the Wehrmacht was in shambles by then. It doesen’t matter, since the Russians had already defeated the Third Reich anyway.

    America takes credit for defeating Japan during WWII, but it does not take credit for beating Germany. America started it’s war efforts in Europe when the Red Army was already in west Poland. At best, America hastened Germany’s defeat by about 6 months top.

    It is also important to point out that Germany was much, much, much, much more powerful than Japan. Even in terms of naval power, Japan’s strongest area – given that it is an island-nation -, Germany was still stronger mostly due to it’s technological superiority in submarines. In terms of air power and especially land power, Germany was incomparably stronger. The pecking order of power of Axis Powers was: Germany >>>>>>>>>>>> Japan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Italy. The Russians took the blunt of beating Hitler. That is simply factual. No country in history payed a price as high to win a war as Russia did in WWII: the estimated Russian casualties surpass 27 million people! That is almost two orders of magnitude more people than what America lost in the war. If anything the British deserve far more credit than Americans, because even though they didn’t make nearly as much effort or lost nearly as much people as Russia, at least they endured bombing raids for years, and there were daily battles between the RAF and the Luftwaffe. Not to mention that the Royal Navy and the Kriegsmarine came to blows several times. But America? No. It’s pure Hollywood fabrication. The biggest credit goes to Russia, and then to Britain in a distant second.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  396. Dillinger says:

    The answer to this is simple, thanks to Yuri Slezkine’s ‘Thr Jewish Century,’ which I read after Steve recommended it.

    Slezkine says the Jews in Russia had a fondness for ‘Ivan,’ which was his catch-all term for the average Russian. Ivan was culturally and intellectually inferior to the Jew but physically stronger, spontaneous, masculine, earthy, unabashed in his sexuality, all things that the average narrow-shouldered Jewish intellectual admired and envied. The left-wing Russian Jew came to see himself as Ivan’s advocate in a world too sophisticated for his understanding, and it didn’t even bother him that Ivan rarely reciprocated his good-will.

    When I read that passage, I immediately went, “Aha. And what ethnic group in America do we tend to view in the same terms as Ivan?”

    The Jews’ love of blacks is an atavistic expression of their ancestors’ attitude towards Russian peasants. Don’t believe it? Steve likes to make a big point of distinguishing between German and east European Jews in America: well, look at the Jews who led the civil rights struggle. Nearly all of their parents came from the Pale.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anonymous
  397. @Dillinger

    Russians are good dancers, too:

    • Replies: @Dillinger
    , @Triumph104
  398. Dillinger says:
    @Steve Sailer

    They also like to get into fights, party, and excel at sports…

    Safe to say on one level the American Civil Rights movement was really about Russian Jews hashing out Old World animosities in a New World setting. We whites are the tsarist regime, blacks the serfs, etc.

  399. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dillinger

    In my experience, Jews aren’t at all fond of blacks, with the exception of professional athletes.

    • Replies: @Dillinger
  400. @Steve Sailer

    Utu’s explanation, “rational allocation of resources”, is correct. The Mormon church is largely run by business executives and they allocate their higher education resources similarly to Jews. There are only four LDS church-sponsored colleges in the US, three BYU campuses (Utah, Idaho, and Hawaii) and the LDS Business College in Salt Lake City. It should be noted, in the US, that the Mormon and Jewish population are similar in size, 6.5 million and 5.3 million respectively.

    Afaik, there are no Mormon K-12 private schools. (If you never open church-sponsored schools, then you won’t ever have to close them down like the Catholic Church when demographics shift.) LDS children attend public school or non-religious private schools. Jewish kids who attend secular schools often attend “Sunday School” twice a week. Mormon high school students attend seminary five days a week during their four years of high school. If there is a large Mormon population at a high school, the seminary class may be held in a building across the street from the high school, otherwise the class is held at church or in home.

    In my opinion, the number of HBCUs should be dropped from around 100 down to five or so, creating above-average institutions. Currently, most HBCUs are below average and rob students of their tuition money. But since shrewd businessmen are not in charge of HBCUs and funding comes from multiple sources, that will never happen.

    • Replies: @res
  401. Jack D says:
    @utu

    Which towns?

    They are listed here day by day and town by town:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Treblinka_extermination_camp

    You are right to some extent. The town that my grandparents were deported from was not their home town -they had already been sent to the ghetto of this other town earlier in the war. This was very common.

  402. @Steve Sailer

    I watched that clip a few weeks ago and from the comment section learned that that the soldiers are doing a Ukrainian dance, most Cossacks were Ukrainian, and Fiddler On The Roof was set in what is now Ukraine.

    That being said, I have always considerd non-Jewish Russians to be white Negroes. Their behavior and outlook on life is often similar to black Americans. Russians excel in dance (ballet, ballroom, and folk) and as already mentioned, sports, and partying, and have a dindu’ nothing attititude. The US had the East Coast – West Coast rap wars and Russia had the director of the Bolshoi Ballet Company get acid thrown in his face after a lot of infighting at the company. Some Russian ballet fans are known to be abusive and half-crazy.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    , @Anonymous
  403. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s hard to know details when all the witnesses were murdered. The Germans purposely didn’t keep detailed records because they knew they were committing war crimes. In other instances (for example in the case of labor camps), they did – I have my father’s camp register where they list his place of birth, birth date, etc.

    Were my relatives killed as they were being herded onto the cattle cars? Died en route? Shot by the guards because they didn’t get out of the train fast enough? Or did they make it all the way to the gas chambers? In the words of Hillary Clinton, “what difference does it make?”

    Or did they all secretly escape and move to Palestine without telling anyone? That would be nice but not bloody likely.

    As I explained earlier, I know what town he was living in in October of 1942 and it is historically documented that all of the Jewish residents of the ghetto of that town were herded into cattle cars and transported to Treblinka on October 22, 1942. This is historically documented (by means of German railroad records – the German government paid the Reichsbahn for these shipments). Of all the Jewish prisoner who arrived at Treblinka, only a tiny handful survived. Most were dead within a couple of hours after their arrival. In any event they were never seen again after that date. I don’t know what you are getting at but the facts are undeniable unless you are some sort of nutjob. Please don’t tell me that you are a nutjob.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  404. Jack D says:
    @Nick Diaz

    the estimated Russian casualties surpass 27 million people

    Stalin didn’t give a damn about human life and made no effort to fight in a way that would minimize unnecessary casualties. The Russian losses would have been grievous in any case but millions of those casualties were unnecessary.

  405. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    Harvard at that time did admissions by test – they had an entrance exam and they would rank order the test takers and anyone who scored above the cutoff was admitted.

    Half-true, passing the test (Latin — a subject excelled at by Jews and unknown to Catholics) was necessary but not sufficient for admission, for which one also needed Character, that je ne sais quoi possessed of Harvard Men, and in short supply among the Flynns and Meninos of the world.

    c.f. “holistic” admissions

    Maybe high IQ Catholics preferred Boston U. [sic]

    Haha. No.

    Whatever the reason, each applicant was considered on his academic ability and not according to his race or religion.

    Funny, the Columbia administration said the same thing in the previously mentioned NYT article.

    Let me relate my own anecdote, about my grandfather. He grew up in a well-educated, upper-middle-class Catholic family in a leafy Boston suburb. He excelled academically, skipping two grades and graduating high school with high honors at age 16. He applied to Harvard (late 1930′s), but did not get in, instead attending Holy Cross.

    He enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor, and scored “off the chart” on the army IQ test. Thanks to this and his partial college education, he was commissioned as a second lieutenant. He could’ve pulled a Nixon or Jimmy Carter and rode a desk for the duration, but instead he volunteered to serve on a bomber crew, the most dangerous combat role of the war.

    On his twelfth mission, his bomber was shot down over Germany and he was held as a POW for over a year. Towards the end of the war, he and the other POWs were forced, in mid-winter, to march 500 miles west. At liberation he weighed barely over 100 pounds. He was promoted to full lieutenant before being discharged.

    After the war, he returned to his studies, graduating summa cum laude. He applied to Harvard Law School, but again did not get in, instead attending BU Law (the Methodist one, not Catholic BC), where he edited the law review and graduated in the top 1% of his class. He was not hired by any law firm, but was fairly successful in private practice and more so later on as an early employee of Norman Cahners (((Harvard ’36))).

    He never to my knowledge blamed his Harvard rejections or the slow start to his legal career on discrimination. Speaking personally, I suspect that if he’d shared the illustrious surname of my other grandfather (third-generation Yalie, and an intelligent and hard-working man in his own right, just not as much), he’d have had much smoother sailing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Benjaminl
  406. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nick Diaz

    Germans were 100% unconcerned with the U.S in WWI. America was not a land military power in any way, having a very small army, and it was far inferior to Britain in naval power.

    By early 1918, a quarter of a million American troops were arriving in France every month. (There would eventually be 2 million in the field.) Even if they were still “green” this was a major threat to Germany which the German commanders couldn’t have ignored.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Nick Diaz
  407. Jack D says:
    @HA

    whether his victims were completely unwilling and nonetheless expected to put up with it as being simply the humiliating and degrading price of being employed.

    It’s possible but Frank was a pretty shrewd businessman and I think would have understood the value of incentives. Given the general poverty of the South at that time and of his staff in particular the sums required would not have been extravagant. Maybe Frank was a really cheap jerk and didn’t even want to spend a trivial amount but you can’t take the girls’ word for it – this is exactly the kind of thing that women lie about, as I am betting we will find out at the Weinstein trial.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @HA
  408. Dillinger says:
    @Anonymous

    I can’t speak from experience as there aren’t a whole lot of Jews in my neck of the woods. All I know is what I see at the pop culture level. Regardless of what any individual Jew might think of blacks, it’s obvious that for large numbers of left-wing Jews, blacks are a useful stalking horse for their hostility to whites. We see it all over the place in the media. What’s your experience?

    Malcolm X once said something along the lines of, “The white liberal doesn’t like the negro any more than the white conservative does, but the white liberal uses the negro as a pawn in his culture war with the white conservative.”

    Living as he did in NYC, I always assumed he was talking about Jews vs. white gentiles in flyover country but hadn’t learned yet that they’re different groups. So who knows: if Jews dislike blacks close-up, they certainly venerate them from a distance.

  409. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    Latin — a subject excelled at by Jews and unknown to Catholics)

    This is a joke, right?

    • Replies: @snorlax
  410. @Anonymous

    The wild events of 1917-1918 were all about winning before the Americans got Over There.

    • Replies: @Nick Diaz
  411. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Was this grandfather maternal or paternal?

  412. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Are you suggesting that Weinstein may have been paying some of these women for sex (other than in the form of potential or actual film roles?)?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anon
  413. @Steve Sailer

    And what is today part of Western Poland and Chech Republic. That’s what 1936- March 1939 was about. Hitler wanted those territories back.

  414. Dissident says:
    @Jack D

    Look at all the pre-WWII Hollywood moguls – they were very careful to disguise their Jewishness. If there were any Jewish movie stars they took non-Jewish names (Issur Danielovich becomes Kirk Douglas). Many of them married non-Jewish wives, had Christmas trees in their house and even raised their children as Christians.

    Jack Benny (Benjamin Kubelsky, 1894-1974) did Christmas and Easter shows in which he not only freely extended “Merry Christmas” and “Happy Easter” greetings (respectively) but would appear to create the impression (or at least attempt to) that he was himself a gentile Christian. Listening to such broadcasts, they come across as comically odd, even absurd, to me, a fan of old time radio who was born well after its era.

    Did Benny ever mention or make reference to his Jewishness onstage/ in-character?

    Your mention of Jews having Christmas trees reminds me of my own childhood. Drawn to the colorful, aesthetically pleasing imagery and perhaps its association with a general spirit of merriment, I very much wanted a Christmas tree. My secular Jewish parents reluctantly allowed me a small one in my bedroom. This held no religious meaning or significance for me. By the time I was fourteen, I had begun seriously embracing actual Judaism.

  415. conatus says:

    From ‘Vietnam as History’ a book(1984) edited by Peter Braestrup, who wrote ‘The Big Story’ about the US Media’s false coverage of the Tet Offensive in ’68.
    The last essay concerns public opinion during the Vietnam War, what groups were hawks and doves.
    By John Mueller, University of Rochester.
    Towards the end(no page numbers)Mueller says:

    “Although the overwhelming conclusion from these analysis is that both wars in Korea and Vietnam were supported by the same demographic groups, there is one group which clearly had a different perspective on the two wars. Jews strongly supported the Korean War, but opposed the Vietnam war, particularly after it was a year or two old. It is possible some of this reflects analogies with Israel: The Korean action may have been seen as relevant to U.S. Mideast policy while Vietnam may have seemed an enervating distraction from that area”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  416. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, until Vatican II, Catholic masses were conducted entirely in Latin, and it was a required class in Catholic schools.

  417. Dissident says:
    @Moses

    I can’t think of even one example of a prominent Jew marrying a schwartze either IRL or on TV/film.

    I don’t know about prominent but for what it’s worth, I personally know of at least two cases of Jewish women marrying black men. One within my extended family, the other a daughter of a family friend.

    I might also present an example from the comment thread for a recent story at a hybrid blog/news site covering Manhattan’s Upper West Side that I follow.

    What’s It Like To Be Racially Profiled? Two Upper West Siders Speak Out

    The first comment, by someone using the handle “JustSaying”, read:

    And many blacks are racist against whites. It goes both ways and should be stopped.

    In reply, someone using the handle “NotImpressed” replied:

    that systematic racism that has kept whites down must have really affected you.
    I hope you manage to overcome your hardships.

    To which “Just Saying” replied:

    NotImpressed- It looks like you assuming I`m white because I said that many blacks are racist against whites. Assumptions about another person without knowing who they really are is in the root of Racism. I suggest you`ll look at yourself before you personally attacking others. and btw I`m a black man married to a Jewish white wife.

    [Emphasis mine- Dissident]

    In a thread filled with the kind of sanctimony, condescension, virtue-signalling and race denialist gymnastics and sleight-of-hand that most here are no doubt all-too-familiar with, that above quoted post seemed refreshing.

  418. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “It’s possible but Frank was a pretty shrewd businessman and I think would have understood the value of incentives.”

    Think what you want, but actually, shrewd businessmen frequently choose to forego spending money on goods or services whenever some combination of cajoling, pleading, or threatening will get them what they want for free. Especially if they regard said goods or services as being one of the perks of being the boss. How does that story about the cow and free milk go again?

    …this is exactly the kind of thing that women lie about…

    As opposed to the kind of thing that lascivious factory owners would never, ever lie about? Seriously? “Don’t listen to her — she was loving every minute of it. Trust me.”

    Now, I don’t deny that oftentimes people selectively remember events so as to put themselves in a better light. But women aren’t the only ones who do that.

    • Replies: @Anon
  419. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Conley was not on trial – in fact he was the prosecution’s star witness.

    Any stick to beat a dog with – suddenly the black Conley was “one of our own” while Frank was the outsider. Yes it sounds crazy but that’s how the Narrative works, just like Bill Clinton was made out to be a feminist during the Hillary campaign.

    • Replies: @HA
    , @ben tillman
  420. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA

    Phagan was fired (“due to a shortage of sheet metal”) shortly before her murder, so it’s possible she turned him down. Did that make him mad enough to rape and murder her? I don’t know.

    Since we’re bringing up Weinstein it appears he physically assaulted some of his victims. It’s not impossible Frank did the same and things got out of hand.

  421. res says:
    @Ian M.

    Probably true, but that is much more understandable in the current year.

  422. res says:
    @Triumph104

    Interesting comment. Thanks. How much of the Jewish/Mormon difference in behavior do you think is due to differing patterns of population? Going to public school as a Mormon is probably much more palatable in Salt Lake City.

    Here is an article with a map of Mormon % population by county in the US: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/map_of_the_week/2012/02/mormon_population_in_the_u_s_an_interactive_map.html

    Similar 2010 maps are available for many religious groups at http://www.usreligioncensus.org/maps2010.php
    The “Penetration” maps give the percentage data. The maps for “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (aka Mormons) are very different from the maps for “JEWISH GROUPS (combined reports for 4 bodies)”

    Though there are fewer options, I actually find the 2000 maps much better: http://www.usreligioncensus.org/maps2000.php
    You can download the maps for all groups in one zip file and the choropleth buckets are much more useful (go up to 25% rather than just 5%).

    P.S. Steve, if you have any interest in the distribution of religious groups in the US I think those 2000 maps have the makings of a good post. If anyone wants to dig into this in more detail, data can be downloaded from http://www.thearda.com/Archive/ChCounty.asp
    Details about the 2000 county data are at http://www.thearda.com/Archive/Files/Descriptions/RCMSCY.asp

  423. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Are you suggesting that Weinstein may have been paying some of these women for sex (other than in the form of potential or actual film roles?)?

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

    Hollywood film roles are a REALLY REALLY big deal for an actress. There are thousands and thousand of actresses who are pretty much just as good as the “stars” but who never get a big break. One important starring film role can make or break your entire career.

    Aside from actual film roles, being a friend of one of the most powerful men in Hollywood undoubtedly had many other perks. As I said before, wait until Harvey’s criminal trial – we have been presented in the media with a totally one sided view of the relationship between Harvey and these women and I suspect that the reality in much more nuanced. Which is not to say that Weinstein is not an utterly foul person (but whether his conduct was criminal beyond a reasonable doubt is an entirely different question). Being foul, vile, despicable, a cad, etc. is not in itself a crime despite what the MeToo people would like. Harvey’s lawyer has already stated, “Harvey Weinstein did not invent the casting couch.”

  424. @Rosamond Vincy

    If he was not the actual murderer cleverly covering his tracks, he was certainly a cold-blooded opportunist.

    I agree with the latter, Rosamond.

    • Replies: @HA
  425. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    He doesn’t need to suggest it; we’re all familiar with the NDAs and cash payments involved. That said, his reply covers that angle– film roles ARE payment, literally (obviously) and figuratively.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  426. Benjaminl says:
    @snorlax

    Googling a bit, I discovered that a frequently cited source on this topic is Francis Russell, “The Coming of the Jews,” published in 1955 in the Antioch Review.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/4609765

    (It’s probably available on Sci-Hub for free.)

    Russell, I believe, was an academically OK WASP from Dorchester [in Boston], and this article is his grumbling recollection of having to deal with and compete with the apparently smarter and harder-working Jewish students who showed up in Dorchester and at his school, after their previous neighborhood in Chelsea burned down in a fire.

    Russell had assumed that he would go to Harvard like his father(s) before him but apparently ended up going to Bowdoin. He achieved enough to have a NYT obituary and a Wikipedia page (assuming it’s the same Francis Russell). (I remembered skimming his book on the 1919 Boston police strike, but not that it had a good blurb from Howard Zinn.)

    But anyway, my point is, it’s funny that he barely mentions Italians or Irish at all. Maybe that just wasn’t the topic of his piece or maybe they were just invisible to him. Point being, in this particular micro-neighborhood at this time, all he notices or cares about is WASP vs. Jew.

    At the end of the piece, he goes back to Dorchester and grumbles that it is more built-up and more Jewish than he remembers. He seems to have no inkling of what would come next.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/g/gamm-exodus.html

    https://commonwealthmagazine.org/uncategorized/one-tough-neighborhood/

    Keeping track of all this is very complicated. I remember Steve quoting James Q. Wilson[?] on his initial surprise at the bewildering complexity of ethnic turf battles in East Coast cities, since California didn’t used to be like that.

  427. Dissident says:
    @Corvinus

    On one hand, the baker could have easily served the couple.

    “Easily”? Violating one’s conscience is easy?

    (And, to be clear, the objection was specifically to bake a cake for the express purpose of celebrating an event that violated the baker’s religious convictions. Not, as your wording could imply, merely serving a couple that happened to be homosexual.)

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  428. Dissident says:
    @Jack D

    Forced segregation in the South was ALSO imposed by state power. The trolley operators of New Orleans did NOT want to run separate trolleys for black people or to have to figure out which side of the color line their Creole customers fell on but the government forced them to do that. Somehow that was “states rights”, not “state power”.

    Was anyone advocating for or even defending mandatory segregation of the type you cited in your example? Isn’t the principle of freedom of association that the government should no more be able to compel an individual or businesses in the private sector to serve anyone than they (the government) should be able to compel an individual or business not to serve anyone? Or, phrased another way (and also not entirely equivalent), that forced integration is no better than forced segregation?

    Myself, I am conflicted on this question. On one hand, I am highly inclined toward the principle of freedom of association. On the other hand, what happens if, as a result of a sufficient number of people exercising said freedom, a certain segment of the citizenry were to find themselves unable to attain any of the basic necessities of life? At that point, would some form of government intervention not be warranted?

  429. Dissident says:
    @Triumph104

    That being said, I have always considerd non-Jewish Russians to be white Negroes. Their behavior and outlook on life is often similar to black Americans.

    1.) How do the violent crime statistics of blacks compare to those of non-Jewish Russians? Are there any white neighborhoods or areas in Russia with violent crime rates that even approach those of Detroit, Baltimore, Newark, East St. Louis, Brownsville, E. New York or South-Central Los Angeles?

    2.) How do you account for the many Russian intellectual and artistic greats such as Tolstoy, Chekhov, Pushkin, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Dostoevsky, Solzhenitsyn and many more, including a considerable number of Nobel laureates in the sciences?

  430. @Jack D

    Jack, since you trotted out Hitler–instead of disputing even a single point i made about the black/Jewish comparison–i’ll take that as “i’ve got no argument, but i’m mad about it”. Understood.

  431. Nick Diaz says:
    @Anonymous

    Wrong. Germany quitting had to do with revolt in population over all the food available being dispensed to the military, mass famine making the cost of war unbearable for the common people. Most of the revolt started in the Navy which suffered several defeats to the Brits, and blamed the Kaiser for not supporting them, giving a large part of the resources to the army, especially in the western front. The German high bourgeoise got despondent over the Navy’s inability to beat the Royal Navy. Because the beating the Royal Navy was conditione sine qua non for the dismantling of the British Empire,which would open the doors for German industry to sell their goods throughout most of the World. When the bourgeoise realized that beating the British at sea was nigh-impossible, they turned on the Kaiser and started to sabotage German war efforts, hoping that this would gain them favor with the Brits and help them gain at least some access to the markets of the British Empire.

    The incoming American Army being the factor that made German quit is not possible, because the vast majority of the German Military were not privy to Intelligence, and weren’t aware of the American Military being either big or small. Intelligence was only available to the higher officer corps, and the German revolt against the Kaiser started among the lowest rank of the military, among soldiers and especially among sailors in the Navy. What the Germans soldiers did know about America is that it was not a military power, especially not a land military power.

    The German surrender at WWI was a combination of treason on the part of the bourgeoise and the lower ranks of the Navy, famine and the realization that they couldn’t win a war in two fronts – something Hitler mentioned in his book and then went on to make the same mistake. They didn’t have either the food or military hardware suppplies to finish the way. Defeat was inevitable *even if America never entered the war* . This is what made the Germans quit.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  432. Nick Diaz says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Wrong. Read my reply to “Anonymous[150]“.

  433. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “Any stick to beat a dog with – suddenly the black Conley was “one of our own” while Frank was the outsider. Yes it sounds crazy but that’s how the Narrative works…”

    Leo Frank’s defenders have a few sticks of their own, now that you mention it:

    [Frank's defense attorney] Luther Rosser… told jurors: “Conley is a plain, beastly, drunken, filthy, lying nig**r with a spreading nose through which probably tons of cocaine have probably been sniffed.”

    They could have also gone on about how “murder is more a black thang” — to use your formulation, but the above version is certainly more colorful, so to speak. And like you said, any stick will do — depending on who gets to be the designated outsider. But what it’s worth, that strategy tends to work only up until the time it doesn’t.

  434. @Jack D

    The vine and fig tree line is a Biblical quote and not Washington’s own words.

    The point? Yeah, a biblical quote, not a *random* biblical quote. Presumably chosen because it’s what Washington wanted to say.

    Again, this isn’t very complicated, Washington is serving up pretty much vanilla classical liberalism. The state isn’t playing favorites, and everyone goes about their private business as they see fit. Washington isn’t serving up some sort of modern mandatory kumbaya singing, nor certainly your (standard issue) concept that everything everyone else does/builds/creates must be open to the Jews.

  435. HA says:
    @PV van der Byl

    “I agree with the latter, Rosamond.”

    None of that adds any more credence to the preposterous claim that “most researchers now think that Watson did it”, which was what I was objecting to.

    Apart from that, people like Watson are important today precisely because of the fact that they were once renowned as champions of leftist progressivism and passionate advocates for the poor — while at the same time being loudmouthed antisemites, racists, and anti-Catholic bigots.

    That is an episode of history certain people on the left would like to forget or twist around (and certain people on the right would do well to research further, if only as a cautionary tale).

  436. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    No, film roles would be more in the nature of employment, which he had contrasted with cash payments when discussing the case of Leo Frank.

    • Replies: @Anon
  437. @Steve Sailer

    I don’t really know the explanation for this ethnic difference in investment priorities.

    I think Utu is probably onto most of it with “rational allocation of resources”.

    But i think a big factor was the Catholic Church trying to fight against defection/integration in a Protestant America.

    Jews are an actual ethnic group and had a super-strong, majority-rejectionist “us against the world” attitude. Going to the elite Protestant school or the publics is a great way to get the necessary credentials to move up in America, but if parents are doing their job, it shouldn’t mean the kids are lost to the tribe.

    In contrast Catholicism is not an ethnic group and not tribal. They are pretty much the same old Euro-gentiles as Prostestants–the same openness, neighborliness, affective empathy, etc.–just ones who landed in nations/regions with the Catholic settlement. Throw them in with Euro-Protestants and you’d immediately see a lot of mingling–like my mom+dad–and defection. So having schools to nurture Catholic identity was probably pretty reasonable for keeping the faith.

    What one is seeing now of course–a few more generations on–is that for Jews who are not believing/practicing they too are doing a lot of mingling and defecting.

    ~~~

    BTW, my rough take is that Catholicism is actually fairly interesting and attractive to a fair number of people–Evangelical Protestanism and various strains of Islam also seem to be able to grab a hold of people too. Judaism in contrast doesn’t seem very interesting religiously, the “hook” really is ethnic identity–keeping faith with one’s ancestors, keeping alive the tribe.

    The problem white gentiles have now is to develop some sort of Jewish like ethnic affinity, solidarity without having a tribal religion around to help seal the deal. Tough problem.

    • Replies: @Dillinger
  438. @HA

    Let me amend that: many researchers think Watson did it. And no, I don’t remember where I read or saw it. If I happen to find the article/documentary, I’ll give you a citation.

  439. @Moses

    Peggy Lipton and Quincy Jones. It was posted on a previous article.

  440. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    which he had contrasted

    ???
    Where? Maybe I missed it?
    A film role is employment, yes. It is also a prize and a form of payment, which yields both monetary and non-monetary benefits to the actress. Considered in its monetary aspect it is literally a form of monetary remuneration.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  441. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @conatus

    The book “Catch-22″ was actually written as a protest against the Korean War, but only became popular during the Vietnam war.

  442. @HA

    I understood what you were objecting to, HA.

    I simply don’t know who killed Mary Phagan.

    BTW, I agree completely with this much of your commenting:

    Apart from that, people like Watson are important today precisely because of the fact that they were once renowned as champions of leftist progressivism and passionate advocates for the poor — while at the same time being loudmouthed antisemites, racists, and anti-Catholic bigots.

    That is an episode of history certain people on the left would like to forget or twist around (and certain people on the right would do well to research further, if only as a cautionary tale).

  443. @Jack D

    … forced segregation in the South was ALSO imposed by state power.

    Yes, and it’s not “freedom of association”. And you’ve never heard me utter a peep in favor of it.

    BTW, you’re effectively pointing out yet another way the “Jews are like blacks” idea is utter nonsense. There is absolutely nothing like this that was ever aimed at Jews in the U.S. All such discrimination against Jews was of the private “we don’t want to do business with” or more often “we don’t want to socialize with” those folks.

    ~~~

    These establishments receive taxpayer provided benefits (the use of the roads, sewer systems, street lights, etc.) and it is reasonable for them to accommodate all taxpayers in return.

    This sort of argument is so frankly ridiculous–and noxious–it doesn’t even deserve good faith rebuttal.

    This is the argument of the communist. Everyone is hooked up to our road, everyone is hooked up to our powerline, everyone benefits from our schools … so it’s not really yours, it’s ours! By this logic, nothing is private and no one is free. This is the argument of totalitarian thug.

    (I don’t know whether this is a Jew v. Anglo–rights of Englishman–thing at some deep genetic level, but sometimes arguing with Jews it sure seems like it. No, everything in the world is not yours to manage and disperse as you see fit, just because you think you know better and are entitled to it. And unlike your claim that you read Washington’s letter to Newport’s Jews and ergo have the super-secret–just you and George–code of what America is really about, *not* having the state run around and busybody everyone is actually what America is–or was–really about. And for darn near 200 years we were–mostly–doing fine with that.)

  444. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Comment #409

  445. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Regarding Leo Frank, I understand it’s the custom for Jews to drink alcohol on Saturday mornings?

  446. @Jack D

    1950 is casting the net too broadly. Aside from a few snooty clubs that held out until the ’70s and beyond, institutional anti-Semitism in US took a hit after WWII and another hit after the ’64 Civil Rights Act and was largely a dead letter for anyone who was born starting in the Roosevelt Administration and reached adulthood in the ’50s.

    Can we talk about “snooty clubs” like say the Century Country Club? We’re well past the 70s, but all sorts of heavyweights are at these clubs. Yet Bloomberg had to quit four of his clubs to run for mayor. But then rejoined afterwards. I guess there must still be “restricted” clubs … but not all “restrictions” are created equal.

  447. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nick Diaz

    That’s the first time I’ve heard that German business interests played a role in sabotaging the war.

    The German agricultural problems were due to the diversion of men, horses, fuel and fertiliser to the war effort. Bad weather also didn’t help. (I wonder if all the fires and explosions affected the weather in some way? There was also very severe weather during and immediately after WWII.)

    It’s true that Americans didn’t kill many Germans in WWI, but they certainly would have done so if the war had continued into 1919 or later.

    It was no longer a war on two fronts by 1917 though, which improved the German situation.

  448. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thea

    There is an authoritarian streak in the British (really English) character which makes Brits far too trusting of the government, police, courts, judges, etc. They really do think they need permission from these people to defend themselves and their families in these situations.

  449. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104

    Basically, Russians have a prison culture. Literally so, given the long (even pre-Communist) Russian tradition of forced labor for the state. Until recently, nearly all Russian men had experience of prison/gulag or (very similar) the army.

  450. @Jack D

    I think that if the shoe was on the other foot – that if you yourself were the TARGET of discrimination (and, increasing whites are, although it is usually in a backhanded way) you would suddenly have a different feeling about how people have a natural right to discriminate against you.

    Jack, i just don’t have you same psychology or emotional needs.

    As you note, people (your people in fact) already discriminate against my people–flyover country white gentiles. It’s there. We’re the unrepresented folks at Harvard now. (Not just not at our meriocratic share, but actively discriminated against for doing flyover country stuff like 4H or JROTC so we’re actually at less than our national share–much less the horror of being only 5x our share.) But i’m ok with your people not wanting my opinion on the NYT editorial page, or in their investment banks. I’m not offended that the world doesn’t love me.

    What i object to is that we white guys are not allowed to do the same. *We*–and alone we white gentiles–are not allowed to create stuff and keep it and enjoy it ourselves. (Not businesses, not schools, not neighborhoods, not nations.) I can live just fine with other folks discriminating against me–my people–as long as i get to do the same. I have great faith, that white gentiles can do *just fine* on our own, by our own talents. Afterall, we’ve created the best–most pleasant–nations in the world, that everyone else wants to glom onto.

    But the current order–which basically your people engineered–is that white guys must not be left alone. White guys are allowed to create stuff. But then it isn’t theirs–it must be open to, shared with, everyone else–women, blacks, muslims, homos, lesbians, trannies, Mexicans, Africans, Chinese, etc. etc. etc. The product of white guys belongs to all. I.e. we’ve slaves–free to run, but no place to run to.

    I say “Discriminate away! Just cut us loose.” Let’s split the country–right now. You and David Brooks and Brett Stephens can have your rainbow hued utopia where everything (not Jewish) belongs to everyone and you all sit around and sing kumbaya while soaking in the blessings of diversity. And stale pale penis people like me can have our old boring 1950ish patriarchy which will not be “inclusive” and will based on tired old Christian traditions, American founding notions of limited government and rule-of-law and Anglo-Saxon notions of natural rights and ergo … a terrible, backward, repressive place that no one will want to live in, and will no doubt flee from and bang on the doors of your globotopia.

    It’s win-win. You’re be rid of us terrible racist, holocaust creating white guys once and for all. I can’t understand why you don’t want to just give us our share of the nation and cut us loose, so you can enjoy those broad sunlit uplands of diversity?

  451. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    No-one has mentioned the 1967 Jewish capture of East Jerusalem, specifically the Temple Mount, which was a hugely important event for Jews, and also very significant for many Christians.

    (I don’t know if there is a connection to the USS Liberty incident, which happened the day after the IDF captured the temple)

  452. @Jack D

    It’s much more likely that Jim Conley (the black janitor) was the murderer.

    This would seem to be the way i’d have to bet. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.

    Frank trying to get a leg over with all the girls in the factory, made him a huge suspect, generated a lot of community hostility/disapproval–and quite possibly cost him his life, for what a black guy did.

    Bottom line here this is a question of fact, that we now can’t settle. If they’d had DNA back, then, they’d have just sampled all these guys and nailed the culprit. (And today it almost certainly would not have been Frank, because he’d be too smart to leave a body around with his DNA.) Then if it was the black guy the papers would say “Georgia man raped and murdered young woman.” If it was Frank “White Georgia man raped and murdered young woman.”

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  453. Dillinger says:
    @AnotherDad

    The problem white gentiles have now is to develop some sort of Jewish like ethnic affinity, solidarity without having a tribal religion around to help seal the deal. Tough problem.

    Gentlemen, I present to you: Mormonism. Regardless of what you think of the theology or Joseph Smith, they have all the requisites for a non-ethnic religion that functions as a tribe. In Taleb’s terms, no other Christian denomination requires its members have as much skin in the game as the LDS church does, no other church has as many exclusionary mechanisms in place and coincidentally no other church’s members are as solidly committed to it. I’ve started going back after decades away, and seeing it with fresh eyes am amazed at the the in-group/out-group dynamic they cultivate.

    If I was a Catholic bishop, I’d be copying everything they do.

    • Replies: @Anon
  454. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @George

    The Depression had earlier also damaged the reputation of America’s traditional ruling class. Although Roosevelt was himself born into that class, he was a renegade from it who empowered new people and new ideas at the expense of the old.

    The Depression and Vietnam were the two biggest blows to the prestige of the WASP elites.

  455. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    From someone’s comment to Ron’s article on David Irving:

    You have got to be joking.

    The British invented concentration camps specifically for the purpose of interning women and children and thus pressure the Boers to surrender.

    The British initiated the criminal blockade of Germany during the First World War, which was responsible for many hundreds of thousands of Germans dying of malnutrition and continued the blockade even after the war. The unrestricted German U-Boat warfare was a response to this blockade, just as the so called “Blitz” on London was a response to three months of unanswered deliberate terror bombing of German cities.

    So Hitler rearmed? So what? What was he supposed to do? Keep the tiny 100,000 man army allowed, with no tanks, no heavy artillery and no air force and only a small coastal fleet as under the terms of the Treaty of Versailles, while in the meantime France fielded the largest Army in the world, Britain the largest Navy, with a potential invasion by the USSR? Even Czechoslovakia had much larger and better equipped armed forces than Weimar Germany. Hitler’s so called “rearmament” was a great power seeking parity with its potential adversaries, not worldwide domination.

  456. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Apparently the reason Oliver Cromwell made no preparations for a smooth succession of power after his death was that he believed the end times were imminent.

  457. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dillinger

    If you were a Catholic bishop you would be either a) trying to undermine the Church from within or b) not doing so. If b) you’re probably doing pretty well already. The problem is that type a) is too common nowadays. 50 years down the road, probably after active persecution, things will straighten out.

    • Replies: @Dillinger
  458. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @PV van der Byl

    U.S. problems in Vietnam began on Kennedy’s watch and were largely his fault. The Viet Cong were quiet during the Eisenhower administration, but the Bay of Pigs debacle and other foreign policy mistakes by the new administration convinced them that it was time to launch a major insurgency, which by the end of 1961 had captured control of much of rural South Vietnam.

  459. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Jews at the time probably saw Frank as an American ‘Dreyfus’. That drama was recent history. The problem is that whereas Dreyfus was a man of impeccable good character, Frank had serious personal failings, which made it difficult for neutral people to sympathise with him.

  460. @AnotherDad

    Thank you, Another Dad. That is exquisitely articulated. These pricks like Jack D & Corvinus just will not let us be who we wish to be, benighted idiots as they seem to feel us white people to be. No, they have to, in the time-honored tradition of all leftist shit-stirrers everywhere, bring us to heel and to force us to profess Our Love For Big Brother. Of course, if they have to strap a cage to our faces with a ravening rat within in order to elicit this profession of undying, rapturous love for that which we loathe and abominate, it is only Because They Know What Is Good For Us far better than we ourselves could ever perceive.

    No, actually, so long as anyone holds to contrary beliefs, they will never rest. The boot has to stamp on our faces forever or else we will be seen to be presenting an alternative Weltanschauung, and that drives them fucking crazy. They are like some modern day Calvinists, not sure that they are among the Elect or condemned to be among the Preterite unless, through our accession to their beliefs, they are affirmed as being among the Elite. They are too cowardly to let live, not for what it says about us, but for what it might say about them.

  461. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    These wild German plans for the depopulation of Russia may have come to pass, or they may not. We will never know. A lot of it was the result of blue-sky theorizing about things the Germans didn’t actually know much about. (A known German character flaw.) It’s reasonable to assume that once confronted with the practical difficulties of governing 150 million Russians, the Germans would have adopted a more sensible policy towards their new subjects.

  462. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Nixon’s great achievement was avoiding disaster – real disaster – for the U.S. in Vietnam.

    Retreat is more dangerous than attack. If he had done what critics wanted, and tried to suddenly pull all U.S. forces out of the country overnight, there would have been total chaos in South Vietnam. The U.S. would probably have found itself at war with South Vietnam as well as the North. If the North had invaded in the middle of this, the war might have ended with a hundred thousand U.S. troops in communist prison camps.

    Nixon needed to keep pressure on the North, and maintain the confidence of the South, while pulling out the troops. This is what he did and it’s what he should be remembered for, not the stupid Watergate business.

  463. Dillinger says:
    @Anon

    As sociologists of religion know, the more commitment a church requires from its members, the more faithful they are.

    Catholicism and (my former church) Orthodoxy require precious little commitment from their members. Show up for a 70 minute Mass, put a few bucks in the collection plate, and you’re home in time for the game. The burden is minimal and the laity’s commitment correspondingly thin. Doesn’t take much to get them to fall away.

    Mormonism requires you to sit through three hours of church service, which means you’re gonna miss the game and most of your afternoon is ruined for other activities, tithe ten percent, fast on a regular basis, etc. Hell, you even have to wear a suit and tie, unlike the mega church down the street where it’s all shorts and sandals. The burden is maximal and the commitment is thick. People with thinner commitment levels get weeded out by the three hour services and tithing emphasis, and stay home to watch The Game.

    The Mormon god doesn’t like cheap signaling.

  464. Corvinus says:
    @Dissident

    ““Easily”? Violating one’s conscience is easy?”

    Hate the sin, love the sinner, right? Is it not the good news of Jesus is that God saves heterosexual sinners and homosexual sinners who trust Jesus, by both fully accepting them in Christ, despite their sin, and helping them through his Spirit to resist sin and live pleasing to him?

    “(And, to be clear, the objection was specifically to bake a cake for the express purpose of celebrating an event that violated the baker’s religious convictions.)

    Pitted against the the couple’s express purpose of entering said establishment and having the rights violated per public accommodation laws.

    “Not, as your wording could imply, merely serving a couple that happened to be homosexual.)”

    No, that would be your implication.

    • Replies: @Anon
  465. @Steve Sailer

    Fortunately, the human race didn’t have a coherent master plan in WWII to do the maximum damage, which would have required, say, two rivals to simultaneously comes up with atomic bombs and ICBMs. The Western Allies invested in atomic bombs but not ballistic missiles, while the Germans invested in ballistic missiles but not much in atomic bombs.

    It wasn’t a question of coherence. It came down to resources. They had limited resources and had to choose between one project or another. Note that before the projects were completed successfully, it wasn’t clear that what they set out to do could actually be done within their resource and time constraints, or even at all. Engineering projects are full of blind alleys leading nowhere, and that applies to weapons projects.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  466. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    A lot of the support for Israel in the general white population likewise might have been because the other side was notably swarthier, giving us the opportunity to root for the lighter side in a conflict, which was receding rapidly at home.

    Zionism is socially acceptable racism. You can be as racist as you like as long as your racism is directed against Israel’s enemies.

  467. Brutusale says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    The time I spent there was because they paid for it.

    That this is just trying to grease the skids for a new addled knight for our execrable Camelot obviously eludes you, Paddy. Massachusetts politics will return to something approaching normal when everyone who grew up with photos of JFK, Pope Paul V, and Cardinal Cushing on the mantel are safely in the ground.

  468. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    ““Easily”? Violating one’s conscience is easy?”

    No, it isn’t. Answering you, on the other hand …

  469. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:

    How popular was the Black Muslim movement among American Blacks in 1967? Did this play a role in alienating Blacks from Jews?

    I would guess that even non-Muslim Blacks would have sympathised with Palestinians in 1967 for the racial reasons mentioned by commentator #1

  470. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    A problem was Hitler’s WWI mentality. His understanding of military technology seem to have become frozen about 1925. He had little knowledge or interest in newer weapons. He really liked tanks, and wanted always more and bigger and better tanks. He had little interest in aviation or appreciation for the vast improvements in aircraft technology that occurred between the wars. Nuclear weapons were of no interest at all to him.

    The swift German victories of 1939-41 probably reinforced this military conservatism. If the old weapons were good enough, why waste time and money developing new ones?

    The Germans cancelled their nuclear program in 1942.

    It was only in 1944 that the Germans finally got serious about jets and rockets, but they never did restart nuke development. Too little, too late.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  471. @Anonymous

    If the old weapons were good enough, why waste time and money developing new ones?

    The Germans cancelled their nuclear program in 1942.

    It was only in 1944 that the Germans finally got serious about jets and rockets, but they never did restart nuke development. Too little, too late.

    Again, it came down to resource constraints. Tanks work. Nobody knew at that point if nuclear weapons were more than somebody’s fantasy. For things that haven’t been invented yet, there’s a huge gulf between scientific theory and practice that has to be filled in with large sums of money and amounts of raw materials. If you’re preternaturally lucky, you find the solution on the first few tries. If you’re not, you spend all your time going up blind alleys. Which is why the Indian state, with financial and technological resources an order of magnitude larger than wartime Germany’s, spent decades working on its nuclear program before coming up with a working bomb. And this was after knowing that nuclear bombs weren’t just something out of a science fiction writer’s fertile imagination.

  472. Logan says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Something I’ve noticed. For some peculiar reason, it is verboten to criticize Jews as a group, or even individual Jews, in the same way we’d criticize anybody else.

    Jews must always have historically been utterly innocent victims of evil anti-Semites.

    This is, of course, nonsense. Jews are human and like other humans, sometimes they do bad things. Sometimes the bad things they do cause others to react negatively or even violently to them.

    I have zero tolerance for the anti-Semite Narrative in which the Joos are responsible for all the evil in the world, but I find the obligatory alternative POV, that they are and always have been, unlike any other group in history, utterly innocent, to be annoying also.

  473. MBlanc46 says:
    @AndrewR

    Merely because many whites don’t recognize those interests doesn’t imply that those interests don’t exist.

  474. @Jack D

    Conley was not on trial – in fact he was the prosecution’s star witness.

    Any stick to beat a dog with – suddenly the black Conley was “one of our own” while Frank was the outsider.

    And Frank’s defense of “The n-gger did it” is about the most cynical ever.

  475. Dissident says:
    @Samuel Skinner

    A belated thank you for the link.

    I am not sure about your theory. Perhaps it may apply to some of the shrewdest and most powerful Jews. Most Jews, however, I believe are simply largely unaware of the contradictions and hypocrisy that I pointed-out. (Just as most “normie” non-Jews seem to be.) Many may know, vaguely, that Jews are over-represented in positions of power and wealth but not realize the extent to which this is so. More importantly, I doubt that more than a relative few have ever actually given much, if any, serious thought or consideration to the matter and its implications.

    (Unfortunately, since posting my request for info, I have had little opportunity to pursue my efforts at increasing awareness in this area among my fellow Jews.)

    As anyone with any understanding of basic human psychology knows, a lack of self-awareness; a blind spot for one’s own shortcomings, faults and contradictions; and the holding of others to a different standard than one holds oneself are all endemic to the human condition– both at the individual as well as the group level. How many non-Jewish, Goodwhites and SJWs even realize (at least on a fully conscious level) the hypocrisy of their revealed preferences in any number of areas (choice of where to live, send their children to school, etc., etc.)?

  476. Dissident says:
    @Autochthon

    A belated thank you for that graphic.

    (I am the one who had posted the request; I had mistakenly entered “Independent”, the handle I have used at another site, in the name field.)

    Do you know the source? How they determined Jewishness or lack thereof?

    You’re welcome.

    Are you clairvoyant? (Knowing at the time you posted it that I wouldn’t acknowledge your reply until now?)

  477. Dissident says:
    @Autochthon

    A belated thank you for that graphic.

    (I am the one who had posted the request; I had mistakenly entered “Independent”, the handle I have used at another site, in the name field.)

    Do you know the source? How they determined Jewishness or lack thereof?

    You’re welcome.

    Are you clairvoyant? (Knowing at the time you posted it that I wouldn’t acknowledge your reply until now?)

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