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From the Jerusalem Post:

CURRENT ISRAELI BIRTH RATES UNSUSTAINABLE, SAYS EXPERT

Population could exceed 15 million in 35 years.
BY DANIEL K. EISENBUD FEBRUARY 21, 2018 07:53

> Racing toward disaster: Israel’s unsustainable population bomb
> Haredi woman, 42, in Jerusalem gives birth to her 20th child

The creation of large Jewish families has long been viewed by many as a patriotic duty in the country’s existential struggle.

With today’s population in excess of 8.7 million Jews and Arabs (74.5% and 20.9%, respectively) averaging 3.1 children per family, the nation could face an overpopulation crisis within 35 years exacerbated by a profoundly limited infrastructure, experts contend. …

Prof. Alon Tal, chairman of Tel Aviv University’s department of public policy, said the conference was the first international gathering of academic experts to focus on the issue of overpopulation in Israel.

… “Now, we’re really talking about the sociology and the culture of Israelis having lots of children, why they have lots of children, and what might be a strategy for changing the paradigm where people have less children for the good of the nation.”

According to Tal, Israel is the second-most densely populated country in the developed world and has the highest per capita rate of population growth.

He added that Israel’s population is growing by more than two million people each decade, with its average 3.1 children per family dwarfing normative rates within Western countries, most of which average 1.7 children. …

“David Ben-Gurion encouraged people to have many children, but now we need to have a collective conversation as a nation and realize that while there was once a period in Israeli history when having lots of children was absolutely a patriotic thing to do, today it is an unpatriotic thing to do because it harms the common good,” he said. …

In terms of the wide-held belief that Jews must continue to outpace Arab birthrates in order to ensure a Jewish majority, Tal said that race has already been won.

“That used to be an absolutely valid argument, but today Arabs are averaging roughly 40,000 births a year and the Jews are averaging over 100,000. So if there was a demographic battle, it’s over,” he said.

I wrote about the economics of Israel’s Jewish fertility boom back in 2011.

 
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  1. “That used to be an absolutely valid argument, but today Arabs are averaging roughly 40,000 births a year and the Jews are averaging over 100,000. So if there was a demographic battle, it’s over,” he said.

    Does that include the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, or just the Israeli-Arabs? Also, if you were to add those Palestinians, i.e. the one-state solution, would that change the demographic battle materially?

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    • Replies: @JW
    I suspect you already know the answer. The Gaza Strip has a fertility rate of 4.2.
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  2. @istevefan

    “That used to be an absolutely valid argument, but today Arabs are averaging roughly 40,000 births a year and the Jews are averaging over 100,000. So if there was a demographic battle, it’s over,” he said.
     
    Does that include the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, or just the Israeli-Arabs? Also, if you were to add those Palestinians, i.e. the one-state solution, would that change the demographic battle materially?

    I suspect you already know the answer. The Gaza Strip has a fertility rate of 4.2.

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    • Replies: @istevefan
    How do they keep that up in that? I'm quite surprised they remain. After seeing the millions entering Europe and receiving great benefits, wouldn't you think the Palestinians would head there too?
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  3. There is plenty of room in the Sinai. Reconquista again. Or something.

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  4. I posted this jpost link earlier today. As a reminder, Israel successfully socially engineered higher Jewish birth rates and ignored bitter opposition. If Europe has the political willpower, they can do exactly the same thing. It takes more than a simple family tax cut, with genuine deep motivation, you can raise birth rates.

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    • Replies: @istevefan
    Yes, if population growth is what they want, then our elites could very well follow the Israeli example. After all, adding more people who are part of the culture that created the nation seems to make more sense than bringing in aliens. It makes more sense if preserving your culture is your priority. But somehow I don't think that is the case. I wonder what could have given me that perception.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Agree.
    , @Dmitry

    I posted this jpost link earlier today. As a reminder, Israel successfully socially engineered higher Jewish birth rates and ignored bitter opposition. If Europe has the political willpower, they can do exactly the same thing. It takes more than a simple family tax cut, with genuine deep motivation, you can raise birth rates.
     
    It's not a result of the government, which offers very little child support. Also the housing situation militates against a higher birth (everyone is in 3 bedroom apartments).

    It happens more likely due to people's unconscious feeling of being inside a demographic battle, and this fear of being overwhelmed, not only by Arabs, but also by other Jewish groups (the secular in Israel are quite terrified of the Haredim - while the Haredim and National Religious groups do not use contraception).

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  5. (((Daniel K. Eisenbud)))

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  6. Perhaps they could use some more living space

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    • LOL: bomag
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  7. So the Jerusalem Post says there’s going to be a huge number of Jews in Israel in 35 years.

    Yet right here on a website owned by somebody who has never lived there, there’s an article by somebody who’s never lived there, extolling the comment by somebody who’s never lived there, saying that there’s going to be a huge exodus of Jews out of Israel.

    Who could be right?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Welcome to the Fastest-growing Jewish Community in the World: Germany"

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/1.5176007
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  8. Why are the headlines so small all of a sudden?

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    • Agree: slumber_j
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  9. Sounds like they need some lebesnraum.

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  10. Why do I have the feeling that the problem is more that the wrong type of Jews are having too many kids? You know, the non-liberal kind.

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    • Replies: @polskijoe
    The Liberal kind are bad too.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    The ultra-Orthos won't serve in the army, so their kids aren't much help.
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  11. I read somewhere recently that only about half of ultra-orthodox Jewish children remain that way when adults. If true, this should provide a steady stream of new Ashkenazi secular talent.

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    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    I read somewhere recently that only about half of ultra-orthodox Jewish children remain that way when adults. If true, this should provide a steady stream of new Ashkenazi secular talent.

    Nah, it's not anywhere near %50. More like 10-15
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  12. @anony-mouse
    So the Jerusalem Post says there's going to be a huge number of Jews in Israel in 35 years.

    Yet right here on a website owned by somebody who has never lived there, there's an article by somebody who's never lived there, extolling the comment by somebody who's never lived there, saying that there's going to be a huge exodus of Jews out of Israel.

    Who could be right?

    “Welcome to the Fastest-growing Jewish Community in the World: Germany”

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/1.5176007

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  13. @JW
    I suspect you already know the answer. The Gaza Strip has a fertility rate of 4.2.

    How do they keep that up in that? I’m quite surprised they remain. After seeing the millions entering Europe and receiving great benefits, wouldn’t you think the Palestinians would head there too?

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    This is an interesting question that I haven't seen asked before. Indeed, why is there no (AFAIK) major wave of Palestinian refugees to the EU?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    How do they keep that up in that? I’m quite surprised they remain. After seeing the millions entering Europe and receiving great benefits, wouldn’t you think the Palestinians would head there too?

     

    How do you know they aren't?

    By having enough children, you can send a large portion of them abroad while still maintaining a stable population at home. Vermont did this for centuries, until recently.
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  14. The fundamental trouble about human populations is a kind of tragedy of the commons or prisoners’ dilemma, if you will; a first-mover is the sucker. There are too many humans on the planet and have been for some time. It would be best if we all proceeded at replacement fertility (maybe even if the population were to decrease for a while…). That needs to happen urgently, and yesterday, in fact, because of the compounding troubles of exponential growth.

    But who shall start having only two children? Humans – as a whole – won’t. And if Europeans and fancy Asians do, Arabs, Hindoos, Negroes, mestizos, and jungle Asians will fill the breach: we won’t actually get smaller (or at least stable) populations of humanity, just smaller populations of desirable, conscientious, productive humans, and more and more of the opposite sorts. It’s already happening. So Jews and Mormons and other such are doing the right thing. If they behaved as Japanese and Europeans, they’d just be ceding ground to invaders, and not making a whit of difference to help the planet’s ecology. Indeed, as callous as it may seem, the only real hope is for the more insightful and conscientious races to so outpace the others that those others fall by the wayside or are at least so overwhelmed as to be controlled or become negligible, and only then could the conscientious decrease fertility to the benefit of all….

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  15. With today’s population in excess of 8.7 million Jews and Arabs (74.5% and 20.9%, respectively) averaging 3.1 children per family,

    “That used to be an absolutely valid argument, but today Arabs are averaging roughly 40,000 births a year and the Jews are averaging over 100,000. So if there was a demographic battle, it’s over,” he said.

    74.5% / 20.9% = 3.6
    100,000 / 40,000 = 2.5

    Does not seem over to me. I wonder why the article did not break out the number of children per family in each group? Given the difference between relative populations and births I suspect we know the answer.

    Does anyone here know enough about Israeli demographics to assess how the “demographic battle” is affected by the relative ages of the groups? (cf. the US)

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    Does not seem over to me.
     
    So basically Arabs comprise 20.9 percent of the population, but 28.5 percent (40K/140K) of the new births.

    BTW, who are the other 5 percent in Israel? I just assumed every non-Jew was Arab be it muslim, Christian or Druze. Is that correct, or are Druze not considered Arabs?
    , @Steve Sailer
    https://www.jns.org/israels-jewish-fertility-rate-tops-arabs-for-first-time-defying-demographic-doom/
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  16. @Massimo Heitor
    I posted this jpost link earlier today. As a reminder, Israel successfully socially engineered higher Jewish birth rates and ignored bitter opposition. If Europe has the political willpower, they can do exactly the same thing. It takes more than a simple family tax cut, with genuine deep motivation, you can raise birth rates.

    Yes, if population growth is what they want, then our elites could very well follow the Israeli example. After all, adding more people who are part of the culture that created the nation seems to make more sense than bringing in aliens. It makes more sense if preserving your culture is your priority. But somehow I don’t think that is the case. I wonder what could have given me that perception.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    Yes, if population growth is what they want, then our elites could very well follow the Israeli example.
     
    Funny, the only people on the planet that were told post-Earth Day #1 to limit the number of children were us European and American White folks (other than the Chinese, who were actively committing infanticide against their daughters at the time). Blacks in the US and the Pakis and India and Africa, the Hispanics of Mexico and Central/South America somehow those folks didn't get the 'Save the Earth' message. And now we're to be the overflow having curtailed our own birthrates. Sure enough, in 30 years we didn't have construction workers, engineers, retail workers and housekeepers.

    At the grass roots, there used to be lots of Blacks in construction and housekeeping and the retail sectors. By the late 80s, they were OUT and retail in Black regions died (Landover Mall in PG County, Md is a great example). The solution? Import the labor. In any case, especially when it comes to construction, retail and housekeepers, Hispanics and Asians are the preference because the Blacks, you know, they steal. And the wealthy especially prefer Hispanic housekeepers for this reason. My line of work, I heard it said a million times. Wealthy Democrats in the DC region practice that religiously. Funny, they keep their kids well clear, also.
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  17. @res

    With today’s population in excess of 8.7 million Jews and Arabs (74.5% and 20.9%, respectively) averaging 3.1 children per family,
    ...
    “That used to be an absolutely valid argument, but today Arabs are averaging roughly 40,000 births a year and the Jews are averaging over 100,000. So if there was a demographic battle, it’s over,” he said.
     
    74.5% / 20.9% = 3.6
    100,000 / 40,000 = 2.5

    Does not seem over to me. I wonder why the article did not break out the number of children per family in each group? Given the difference between relative populations and births I suspect we know the answer.

    Does anyone here know enough about Israeli demographics to assess how the "demographic battle" is affected by the relative ages of the groups? (cf. the US)

    Does not seem over to me.

    So basically Arabs comprise 20.9 percent of the population, but 28.5 percent (40K/140K) of the new births.

    BTW, who are the other 5 percent in Israel? I just assumed every non-Jew was Arab be it muslim, Christian or Druze. Is that correct, or are Druze not considered Arabs?

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    15 istevefan > Is that correct, or are Druze not considered Arabs?


    You speak English at home - does that mean you are British?

    the druz'im have traditionally spoke Arabic as a mother-tongue - but it's kinda becoming a Hebraicized Arabic nowadays. You can thank televised pop culture for that, I suppose.

    Not so long ago, the IDF's Druze battalion had to be stood down, because nowadays Druzi kids (a) are truly bilingual and feel quite at home in a Hebrew-speaking unit, so therefore weren't signing up for the Druze battalion; and (b) if they ==do== want to mostly be with their homies, they can request the Magav, which (being a gendarmerie) has (fairly well-paid) civil-service spots open for those who finish conscript service

    Quite a few kibbutzim have accepted Druze families as full members. It no longer makes the news

    I sort of remember reading a story in Ma'ariv about a Druzit young woman who got into the Air Force. Well, most Druzit girls don't apply to be conscripted, but completing a tech-school in the Israel Air Force certainly does give you a "iron rice bowl" of lifetime middle-class income. Smart girl.
    , @j
    A substantial portion of the Russian/Ukrainian immigration are Christian family members.
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  18. How much value do the Haredi provide to Israeli society, though? My quite possibly inaccurate impression was that they’re mostly welfare dependents who engage in completely useless religious studies, rather than contributing to the economy or the armed forces, and maybe at most send their least bright sons to become menial labors.

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    • Replies: @attilathehen
    Good points. Israeli Jewish IQ is 93 and falling. They are going to have to give the Jews boundaries in the Middle East because they can't come to the West.
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  19. Very OT:

    An iStevey article about where the blame lays for the Florida school shooting:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/21/its-too-late-broward-county-school-board-beginning-to-admit-their-mistakes

    Apparently the Broward County school district and the Obama admin were concerned about the disparate impact of various zero tolerance policies, so they worked hard to make sure that kids who committed serious crimes were protected from the police and consequences.

    This policy kept Travon Martin out of jail and the recent shooter’s past violent behavior away from the eyes of the police.

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    Did Cruz belong in an institution? did Trayvon belong in a reformatory? I feel for the schools because they're tasked with the impossible: educating those who refuse education.

    Nobody seems to have a good solution for the young, belligerent males who either can't or won't fit in to society. Clearly the schools are the wrong place for them.
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  20. Dr. Evil time: “Israelis are incredibly over-fecund and and are producing an enourmous number of offspring. The average couple has … THREE children.”

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  21. Looking at population density stats and maps, it sure does seem like some countries have plenty of space available.

    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/EN.POP.DNST/rankings

    Come on Trump, show us the art of the deal! The real estate deal of the past several millenia at least. This would be a deal of biblical proportions, to be talked about for generations.

    Let the Kushner clan handle the details.

    Develop all that vacant Saudi Arabian land for the Jews.

    Maybe the Pritzkers and others could provide consulting.

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  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Madison high schools are erupting in chaos. Three high schools in one day, Monday, February 19, over the noon hour.

    http://althouse.blogspot.jp/2018/02/madison-high-schools-are-erupting-in.html

    https://davidblaska.com/2018/02/20/three-madison-high-schools-erupt-in-chaos-monday-noon/

    Worth reading all of this to get a taste of how Kafkaesque modern reporting is. This story is not reported in the major media, but even the right-wing bloggers are afraid to mention race. You have to dig deep into the comments to get an idea of what is happening.

    This blogger (ex-reporter and ex-local politician) has to contact the cops himself to get information:

    https://davidblaska.com/2018/02/20/at-madison-high-schools-beset-by-brawls-school-board-considers-booting-cops/

    https://davidblaska.com/2018/02/16/18-police-respond-to-la-follette-high-school-brawl-that-injured-3/

    https://davidblaska.com/2018/01/25/disadvantaged-students-need-police-in-our-schools-the-most/

    In reading through this stuff I stumbled across something else that baffles me. Exactly what is special education? I had thought that it was for, uh, retarded students. But so much written on it seems to make it seem like that is not what it really is now.

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    I believe (not completely sure) that many to most kids in 'Special Ed' these days are there because they are behavioral problems. It is an administrative way of getting badly behaved kids out of the classroom--instead of just saying they are jerks they are given a 'diagnosis'; in my town one common one is "ED" for "Emotionally Disturbed." Then they get put in special ed where 1.) they don't bother the other students, and 2.) their test scores don't count towards the school's average on various reporting measures.

    It's a win for the regular teachers and students because they don't have to put up with these kids anymore, and a win for the school administrators because their test scores go up; however it is a loss for the taxpayer as once a child is in special ed they have all sorts of legal protections which result in lots of expensive paperwork, extra teacher attention, etc. Also a loss for truly retarded kids, for example down's syndrome, fragile X, etc.; because now they end up stuck in class with dimwitted psychopaths, and the resources normally dedicated to them are diluted. However I think they usually try to separate these groups.
    , @Almost Missouri
    There was an iSteve post a while back about the way the Gap is greatest in liberal enclaves like Madison WI, and there was some speculation that the, ah ... diversity, was indeed warehoused in Special Ed classrooms away from the mainstream (white + Asian offspring of faculty etc.) students.
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  23. Perhaps they could use some more living space

    Don’t worry, the Israelis already have plans to colonize the better land belonging to their immediate neighbors. It will be a private-public partnership. Private Israeli citizens will move into the desired regions, creating virtual colonies. The Israeli gov’t will prevent anyone from moving them out (“refugees!” or “ethnic cleansing!” or the like will be the hasbara) or disturbing the colonies.

    So the Jerusalem Post says there’s going to be a huge number of Jews in Israel in 35 years.

    Yet right here on a website owned by somebody who has never lived there, there’s an article by somebody who’s never lived there, extolling the comment by somebody who’s never lived there, saying that there’s going to be a huge exodus of Jews out of Israel.

    Who could be right?

    I assume that since you have never been to the Moon, you never comment on the place.

    Would that be right?

    (Also, do you trust what’s written in, say, books by German Nazis over books by American Jews, on the subject of Germany? Nazis who lived there and Jews who didn’t, I mean.)

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  24. The answer to the problem is, ironically, Lebensraum.

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  25. I think that the lesson is that it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups each trying to outbreed each other. Whoever wins the country will become increasingly overpopulated.

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    it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups each trying to outbreed each other
     
    Good point. Games of chicken are not good public policy.
    , @AnotherDad

    I think that the lesson is that it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups each trying to outbreed each other. Whoever wins the country will become increasingly overpopulated.
     
    Winner!

    You can shortern to "it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups".

    His "overpopulation" worries are the sort of concern that you can have--and address--in one-people nations.

    Heck, i much prefer the US i grew up in which just hit 200 million when i was ambling through elementary school, just in terms of population--never mind all the other stuff--to the US of today which is noticeably more crowded, sprawling everywhere around any metro area. But i can't in good conscience tell anyone conscientious not to have more kids. We need white people and smart, conscientious people generally to get busy! Right now--seriously, carry her upstairs and get on with it. (We're rapidly headed to some sci-fi dystopia of stupid, brownish, fat and tatooed people. An ugly version of Brazil.)

    On the other hand, Japan can shrink--as long as they don't listen to the open borders shilling from the usual suspects--and be fine as long as they watch the eugenics.

    Israel--from my non-Jewish and far-far away perspective--actually has two distinct people divides. They have the Arab minority with even more under occupation--who are in total (counting territories) slightly outbreeding the Jews. They need to get separate nations setup and expel and "inpel" as necessary. Then they have this completely parasitic Haredi minority which might look at a glance to be no biggie but has such high fertility that it literally swallows the nation in a few more generations. Even one more generation and the parasitic load will reach overburdening proportions. They have to figure out at least how to cut them off the welfare teat, but they vote. (As a general rule no one on welfare should ever be allowed to vote. It's up to productive people to figure out how to organize and distribute public amenities.)


    Botton line, which we see again and again and again: There are no end of ways that one-people nations are better than multiethnic ones.
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  26. They should have chosen Madagascar instead.

    Israel 8,522 sq mi
    Madagascar 226,658 sq mi

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  27. After a few more chants of “Never again!” they’ll construct more settlements on the West Bank — problem solved.

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  28. Fertility is not a simple matter. Not at all. Its not a matter of tax planning or tax breaks. Nor is it the function of family friendly policies.

    Fertility is a function of: f(x) = male_sexiness * (1/age women/girls first give birth), roughly.

    You need male sexiness (and in a multi-cultural society greater male sexiness than foreign/diverse males) to create a willingness in women to give birth, given how easy it is to avoid it.

    No woman despite his wealth really wants to have Mark Zuckerberg’s kids. Its clear his wife can’t even stand to touch him — he’s so nerdy. By contrast, the lowest low life African will find no shortage of women though they may be of low quality even if he’s living in a shack in Calais hoping to sneak into England. Kevin Federline does even better, he has IIRC six times as many kids as Mark Zuckerberg.

    And fertility is a function of when a woman first gives birth. A girl of fifteen having her first baby has about 20 more years of fertility left. Sad but true, a woman of 35 giving birth to her first child will almost certainly never have another without expensive and risky fertility treatments.

    Israel is filled with men who have killed somebody in their many recent wars. This increases male sexiness. Women dig violence in men like they do movies about sparkly vampires or sadistic billionaires. They are also in the Orthodox more comfortable with teen mothers than say, your average White middle class person who views it as a boat anchor around a girl’s life. [In this case accurately as baby daddy will be some teen bad boy or close to it exiting the girl's life at the speed of sound]

    Israel’s fertility rise is thus impossible to replicate. We have no ability to raise the mass sexiness of White American males short of a mass draft and half of them or more killing some Third World enemy; and we are not about to countenance teen or even early twenties pregnancy, locked into the model of one and done at age 35.

    This is a HARD LIMIT OF BIOLOGY. And no amount of Lesbians getting sperm donations and fertility treatments can change those limits.

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    Israel's fertility is driven by the Orthodox, not by macho IDF vets who hang out at the beach in Tel Aviv. Orthodox men are the least "sexy" male demographic in Israel.
    , @Baruch Kogan
    Whiskey-the men having lots of kids are in their 20s-40s, and the last really big war was in the 80s. Even there, most of the combat soldiers never killed anyone (that's what happens in war.)

    The men having lots of kids are disproportionately Haredi, and most Haredim do not serve in the military (this is changing now.) They don't even lift, bro.

    Sorry-the PUAs have sold you a bunch of crap.

    As for Lebensraum, since our neighbors are dysfunctional, murderous idiots with falling fertility rates and lots of land, I think that the writing is on the wall.
    , @istevefan

    You need male sexiness (and in a multi-cultural society greater male sexiness than foreign/diverse males) to create a willingness in women to give birth, given how easy it is to avoid it.
     
    The USA had a giant baby boom post WW2. And I doubt those men would qualify as sexy by your standards. Did guys back then have game? I bet most were rather timid around girls due to the conservative upbringing. Many probably only had one partner, their wife.

    What you need is a society that is conducive to the institution of marriage and having children. The feminist revolution pretty much gutted that.

    We have no ability to raise the mass sexiness of White American males short of a mass draft and half of them or more killing some Third World enemy;
     
    There were about 12 million men and women in uniform during WW2. Let's say 10 million were men for easier math. I have no clue, but I'm sure the number of women was a small percentage.

    Given that only about 10 percent of the men are at the tip of the spear, I doubt much more than 1 to 2 million men were involved in combat where they could have pulled a trigger or bayoneted someone they could have seen. Many others dropped bombs or fired artillery pieces, but could not see those they killed.

    Even the guys like Audie Murphy who did the killing suffered from PTSD. The guy did end up having two kids, but suffered the rest of his life and slept with a pistol beneath his pillow.

    I think the post WW2 baby boom was more attributable to the bountiful economic conditions given we were the only guy left with factories still standing, and a more wholesome culture that expected people to marry young and have families. That came crashing down with the 1960s social changes and the rise of our competitors who finally became economically viable again.
    , @L Woods
    I don't think American combat veterans are considered particularly attractive. In fact, it seems to be a malus. This is of course because women perceive that they are latter-day janissaries and throughly housebroken, not marauding warriors fighting for their own advancement.
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  29. > Tel Aviv University’s department of public policy

    wow, where do I get a job like that?

    > but now we need to have a collective conversation as a nation

    holy shit iSteve, did you transfer your paid subscription to the NY Times to this guy?

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  30. OT: speaking of Jews and their children, CNN’s “Town Hall”/two minutes hate against guns tonight had some interesting moments. Money shot: Marco Rubio got ambushed out of the gate by a supposed bereaved father, Fred Guttenberg, who lost his daughter in the shooting. You really have to see the video to get it, but this guy is smiling, mugging, and wiggling his eyebrows while he has Rubio tied up in knots. I assume maybe he didn’t know how the image would play on camera, but he didn’t do very well keeping the grieving father act up.

    Video:

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    The whole thing is bizarre. The people affected are smiling and behaving weirdly:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/964724390637244417/photo/1
    , @a reader

    Marco Rubio got ambushed out of the gate by a supposed bereaved father, Fred Guttenberg, who lost his daughter in the shooting.
     
    Obviously, furthering the agenda has taken precedence over the grieving.
    , @a reader
    Will the Parkland school shooting be counted as an anti-semitic attack?

    Despite this:


    Another one of Nikolas Cruz’s messages read, “My real mom was a Jew. I am glad I never met her.”
     
    Please note that the Jewish Journal doesn't dismiss this assertion as false.
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  31. Israel’s population density is already close to Rwanda’s, and it has considerably less arable land. Obviously this is mitigated somewhat by its economic power and strong external special interest, diplomatic power.

    But it seems to me Jews and Arabs are playing a game of population chicken. Neither side is willing to go to replacement level. And it is not the most stable place to start. But they employ a lot of stabilizing technology. It may be a race between technology and chaos.

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  32. @the Supreme Gentleman
    How much value do the Haredi provide to Israeli society, though? My quite possibly inaccurate impression was that they're mostly welfare dependents who engage in completely useless religious studies, rather than contributing to the economy or the armed forces, and maybe at most send their least bright sons to become menial labors.

    Good points. Israeli Jewish IQ is 93 and falling. They are going to have to give the Jews boundaries in the Middle East because they can’t come to the West.

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  33. @Massimo Heitor
    I posted this jpost link earlier today. As a reminder, Israel successfully socially engineered higher Jewish birth rates and ignored bitter opposition. If Europe has the political willpower, they can do exactly the same thing. It takes more than a simple family tax cut, with genuine deep motivation, you can raise birth rates.

    Agree.

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  34. @Whiskey
    Fertility is not a simple matter. Not at all. Its not a matter of tax planning or tax breaks. Nor is it the function of family friendly policies.

    Fertility is a function of: f(x) = male_sexiness * (1/age women/girls first give birth), roughly.

    You need male sexiness (and in a multi-cultural society greater male sexiness than foreign/diverse males) to create a willingness in women to give birth, given how easy it is to avoid it.

    No woman despite his wealth really wants to have Mark Zuckerberg's kids. Its clear his wife can't even stand to touch him -- he's so nerdy. By contrast, the lowest low life African will find no shortage of women though they may be of low quality even if he's living in a shack in Calais hoping to sneak into England. Kevin Federline does even better, he has IIRC six times as many kids as Mark Zuckerberg.

    And fertility is a function of when a woman first gives birth. A girl of fifteen having her first baby has about 20 more years of fertility left. Sad but true, a woman of 35 giving birth to her first child will almost certainly never have another without expensive and risky fertility treatments.

    Israel is filled with men who have killed somebody in their many recent wars. This increases male sexiness. Women dig violence in men like they do movies about sparkly vampires or sadistic billionaires. They are also in the Orthodox more comfortable with teen mothers than say, your average White middle class person who views it as a boat anchor around a girl's life. [In this case accurately as baby daddy will be some teen bad boy or close to it exiting the girl's life at the speed of sound]

    Israel's fertility rise is thus impossible to replicate. We have no ability to raise the mass sexiness of White American males short of a mass draft and half of them or more killing some Third World enemy; and we are not about to countenance teen or even early twenties pregnancy, locked into the model of one and done at age 35.

    This is a HARD LIMIT OF BIOLOGY. And no amount of Lesbians getting sperm donations and fertility treatments can change those limits.

    Israel’s fertility is driven by the Orthodox, not by macho IDF vets who hang out at the beach in Tel Aviv. Orthodox men are the least “sexy” male demographic in Israel.

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  35. @res

    With today’s population in excess of 8.7 million Jews and Arabs (74.5% and 20.9%, respectively) averaging 3.1 children per family,
    ...
    “That used to be an absolutely valid argument, but today Arabs are averaging roughly 40,000 births a year and the Jews are averaging over 100,000. So if there was a demographic battle, it’s over,” he said.
     
    74.5% / 20.9% = 3.6
    100,000 / 40,000 = 2.5

    Does not seem over to me. I wonder why the article did not break out the number of children per family in each group? Given the difference between relative populations and births I suspect we know the answer.

    Does anyone here know enough about Israeli demographics to assess how the "demographic battle" is affected by the relative ages of the groups? (cf. the US)
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    Thanks! The report that page references at http://theettingerreport.com/Demographic-Scare/The-Jewish-Arab-demographic-about-face.aspx
    gives more exact numbers for the 2016 births and a comparison with 1995:

    From 80,400 Jewish births in 1995, the number surged to 139,400 in 2016, while the annual number of Arab births remained stable at around 41,000.
    ...

    The unprecedented tailwind behind Israel's burgeoning Jewish demography is documented by the proportion of Jewish births in the country: 77% of total births in 2016, compared with 69% in 1995. Also, in 2016, there were 3.2 Jewish births per Arab birth, compared to 2.2 births in 1995.
     
    So the revised ratios are:

    74.5% / 20.9% = 3.6
    139,400 / 41,000 = 3.4

    There still seems to be a small inconsistency, but I was too cynical about "over 100k."
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  36. @Thomas
    OT: speaking of Jews and their children, CNN's "Town Hall"/two minutes hate against guns tonight had some interesting moments. Money shot: Marco Rubio got ambushed out of the gate by a supposed bereaved father, Fred Guttenberg, who lost his daughter in the shooting. You really have to see the video to get it, but this guy is smiling, mugging, and wiggling his eyebrows while he has Rubio tied up in knots. I assume maybe he didn't know how the image would play on camera, but he didn't do very well keeping the grieving father act up.

    Video: https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA
    Image: https://ibb.co/ifmgJH

    The whole thing is bizarre. The people affected are smiling and behaving weirdly:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/964724390637244417/photo/1

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  37. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Did the Zionists make a mistake in picking Israel? A commenter noted Madagascar is much larger. There were also plans for East Africa, and there’s still a nominally Jewish oblast in Siberia.

    Could they have struck a deal for a piece of the US, or Canada, or a warmer piece of the Soviet Union? In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a “flyover state,” or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    They probably benefit from the conflict with their neighbors in some sick way. If they received South Texas, the relations with the US and Mexico would be too cordial, and their group solidarity would melt away.

    Modern technology allows for a lot of vertical growth in cities. I don’t see why Israel can’t do what Hong Kong has.

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    >In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a “flyover state,” or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    The US/USSR/Canada are not the ones who gave us this land-God did, in our founding charter as a nation. We didn't pick it-God picked it for us.
    , @Thea
    There was an attempt to create a Jewish homeland in the Crimea by I think Polina Molotova among others. This resulted in Stalin killing or imprisoning anyone associated. So it was Siberia or nowhere if they wanted to stay in the USSR
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Or Tokyo.
    , @Anon
    US, Canada, and EU are Jewish properties if not homelands.

    It's better to own something silently.

    Israel wasn't meant to be THE homeland for Jews. Jews wanted it because of its great religious and historical significance.

    The real Jewish power was in the takeover of Western nations. Jews pretty much own the best parts of NY, Chicago, Miami, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Fran, Boston, etc. In terms of power, those are the Real Israels.
    , @Anon
    It would not have been good if Jews took land from Africans.

    The Jewish-black alliance in guilt-baiting whitey has been one of the hallmarks of Jewish Power.

    Jews could use someone like MLK because blacks didn't care about the plight of Palestinians.

    But it would have been a far thornier issue for MLK and Jewish-black alliance if Zionists had taken land from blacks and treated them none too well.
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  38. @Anonymous
    OT

    Madison high schools are erupting in chaos. Three high schools in one day, Monday, February 19, over the noon hour.

    http://althouse.blogspot.jp/2018/02/madison-high-schools-are-erupting-in.html
    https://davidblaska.com/2018/02/20/three-madison-high-schools-erupt-in-chaos-monday-noon/

    Worth reading all of this to get a taste of how Kafkaesque modern reporting is. This story is not reported in the major media, but even the right-wing bloggers are afraid to mention race. You have to dig deep into the comments to get an idea of what is happening.

    This blogger (ex-reporter and ex-local politician) has to contact the cops himself to get information:

    https://davidblaska.com/2018/02/20/at-madison-high-schools-beset-by-brawls-school-board-considers-booting-cops/
    https://davidblaska.com/2018/02/16/18-police-respond-to-la-follette-high-school-brawl-that-injured-3/
    https://davidblaska.com/2018/01/25/disadvantaged-students-need-police-in-our-schools-the-most/

    In reading through this stuff I stumbled across something else that baffles me. Exactly what is special education? I had thought that it was for, uh, retarded students. But so much written on it seems to make it seem like that is not what it really is now.

    I believe (not completely sure) that many to most kids in ‘Special Ed’ these days are there because they are behavioral problems. It is an administrative way of getting badly behaved kids out of the classroom–instead of just saying they are jerks they are given a ‘diagnosis’; in my town one common one is “ED” for “Emotionally Disturbed.” Then they get put in special ed where 1.) they don’t bother the other students, and 2.) their test scores don’t count towards the school’s average on various reporting measures.

    It’s a win for the regular teachers and students because they don’t have to put up with these kids anymore, and a win for the school administrators because their test scores go up; however it is a loss for the taxpayer as once a child is in special ed they have all sorts of legal protections which result in lots of expensive paperwork, extra teacher attention, etc. Also a loss for truly retarded kids, for example down’s syndrome, fragile X, etc.; because now they end up stuck in class with dimwitted psychopaths, and the resources normally dedicated to them are diluted. However I think they usually try to separate these groups.

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  39. @Whiskey
    Fertility is not a simple matter. Not at all. Its not a matter of tax planning or tax breaks. Nor is it the function of family friendly policies.

    Fertility is a function of: f(x) = male_sexiness * (1/age women/girls first give birth), roughly.

    You need male sexiness (and in a multi-cultural society greater male sexiness than foreign/diverse males) to create a willingness in women to give birth, given how easy it is to avoid it.

    No woman despite his wealth really wants to have Mark Zuckerberg's kids. Its clear his wife can't even stand to touch him -- he's so nerdy. By contrast, the lowest low life African will find no shortage of women though they may be of low quality even if he's living in a shack in Calais hoping to sneak into England. Kevin Federline does even better, he has IIRC six times as many kids as Mark Zuckerberg.

    And fertility is a function of when a woman first gives birth. A girl of fifteen having her first baby has about 20 more years of fertility left. Sad but true, a woman of 35 giving birth to her first child will almost certainly never have another without expensive and risky fertility treatments.

    Israel is filled with men who have killed somebody in their many recent wars. This increases male sexiness. Women dig violence in men like they do movies about sparkly vampires or sadistic billionaires. They are also in the Orthodox more comfortable with teen mothers than say, your average White middle class person who views it as a boat anchor around a girl's life. [In this case accurately as baby daddy will be some teen bad boy or close to it exiting the girl's life at the speed of sound]

    Israel's fertility rise is thus impossible to replicate. We have no ability to raise the mass sexiness of White American males short of a mass draft and half of them or more killing some Third World enemy; and we are not about to countenance teen or even early twenties pregnancy, locked into the model of one and done at age 35.

    This is a HARD LIMIT OF BIOLOGY. And no amount of Lesbians getting sperm donations and fertility treatments can change those limits.

    Whiskey-the men having lots of kids are in their 20s-40s, and the last really big war was in the 80s. Even there, most of the combat soldiers never killed anyone (that’s what happens in war.)

    The men having lots of kids are disproportionately Haredi, and most Haredim do not serve in the military (this is changing now.) They don’t even lift, bro.

    Sorry-the PUAs have sold you a bunch of crap.

    As for Lebensraum, since our neighbors are dysfunctional, murderous idiots with falling fertility rates and lots of land, I think that the writing is on the wall.

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    35 Baruch Kogan our neighbors [have] lots of land

    You could drive the longest straight line (south-to-north) in Y'osh in half a morning. It is ==not== a big place - 5,640 square kilometers, says wikipedia.

    For comparison, Rhode Island is 4000 square kilometers. Does anyone here think that Rhode Island has "lots of land"?

    If you meant the Jordanians or the Egyptians - they have longtime, full-scale peace treaties with us.

    As for Gaza - that is the indigenous homeland of the Coptic Christians. I hope to live to see it, return to their ownership.

    If Israeli families can deal with living in "exile" down the block from iSteve, then they can likely deal with being Green-Card'ers in a Coptic Gaza
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  40. @Whiskey
    Fertility is not a simple matter. Not at all. Its not a matter of tax planning or tax breaks. Nor is it the function of family friendly policies.

    Fertility is a function of: f(x) = male_sexiness * (1/age women/girls first give birth), roughly.

    You need male sexiness (and in a multi-cultural society greater male sexiness than foreign/diverse males) to create a willingness in women to give birth, given how easy it is to avoid it.

    No woman despite his wealth really wants to have Mark Zuckerberg's kids. Its clear his wife can't even stand to touch him -- he's so nerdy. By contrast, the lowest low life African will find no shortage of women though they may be of low quality even if he's living in a shack in Calais hoping to sneak into England. Kevin Federline does even better, he has IIRC six times as many kids as Mark Zuckerberg.

    And fertility is a function of when a woman first gives birth. A girl of fifteen having her first baby has about 20 more years of fertility left. Sad but true, a woman of 35 giving birth to her first child will almost certainly never have another without expensive and risky fertility treatments.

    Israel is filled with men who have killed somebody in their many recent wars. This increases male sexiness. Women dig violence in men like they do movies about sparkly vampires or sadistic billionaires. They are also in the Orthodox more comfortable with teen mothers than say, your average White middle class person who views it as a boat anchor around a girl's life. [In this case accurately as baby daddy will be some teen bad boy or close to it exiting the girl's life at the speed of sound]

    Israel's fertility rise is thus impossible to replicate. We have no ability to raise the mass sexiness of White American males short of a mass draft and half of them or more killing some Third World enemy; and we are not about to countenance teen or even early twenties pregnancy, locked into the model of one and done at age 35.

    This is a HARD LIMIT OF BIOLOGY. And no amount of Lesbians getting sperm donations and fertility treatments can change those limits.

    You need male sexiness (and in a multi-cultural society greater male sexiness than foreign/diverse males) to create a willingness in women to give birth, given how easy it is to avoid it.

    The USA had a giant baby boom post WW2. And I doubt those men would qualify as sexy by your standards. Did guys back then have game? I bet most were rather timid around girls due to the conservative upbringing. Many probably only had one partner, their wife.

    What you need is a society that is conducive to the institution of marriage and having children. The feminist revolution pretty much gutted that.

    We have no ability to raise the mass sexiness of White American males short of a mass draft and half of them or more killing some Third World enemy;

    There were about 12 million men and women in uniform during WW2. Let’s say 10 million were men for easier math. I have no clue, but I’m sure the number of women was a small percentage.

    Given that only about 10 percent of the men are at the tip of the spear, I doubt much more than 1 to 2 million men were involved in combat where they could have pulled a trigger or bayoneted someone they could have seen. Many others dropped bombs or fired artillery pieces, but could not see those they killed.

    Even the guys like Audie Murphy who did the killing suffered from PTSD. The guy did end up having two kids, but suffered the rest of his life and slept with a pistol beneath his pillow.

    I think the post WW2 baby boom was more attributable to the bountiful economic conditions given we were the only guy left with factories still standing, and a more wholesome culture that expected people to marry young and have families. That came crashing down with the 1960s social changes and the rise of our competitors who finally became economically viable again.

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    I agree with your post, but just a few additional thoughts:
    Regarding men having combat experience turning them into macho studs and chick magnets, I don't think so. Actual combat is quite harrowing and only a sociopath would not be seriously emotionally affected by it.
    I don't mean by that that all combat veterans have what we call PTSD now. That depends on specifically what happened to that individual and how, his personality and how he handles stress, as well as how much stress he has had to handle. Just because a person didn't reach his own personal breaking point, however, doesn't mean he wasn't profoundly affected.
    I have never seen a real combat veteran who has witnessed what EFPs, IEDs, and IDFs do to human beings later go strutting around wowing the ladies with tales of his daring do. That's reserved for pork chops and the like. Their combat experiences belong to them. They are not casually shared.
    But does combat experience give an individual an air of confidence? Maybe. But it's more likely to give him an air of emotional distance, even unavailability. The combat veteran has learned that it doesn't pay to get too emotionally attached to people.
    I should add that such attitudes don't necessarily come from combat, because even far from combat war zones can be very dangerous places, where deadly accidents frequently happen.

    Did guys back then have game? I bet most were rather timid around girls due to the conservative upbringing.

    I'm not sure about that. Reading magazine stories and books from that era, as well as listening to radio plays and movies, there seems to have been an easy-going familiarity between young men and women, with a lot of snappy repartee and wisecracks. In addition, the men wore suits and ties when they courted a woman, and the women wore nice dresses, stockings and wedgies. And they danced -- and unlike today, men took pride in being able to "cut a rug."

    a more wholesome culture that expected people to marry young and have families. That came crashing down with the 1960s social changes

    Back in the 1940s, there was a very common phrase, "You'll be sorreeeee!" It was sort of society's way of saying you may think doing that is great, but you'd better think twice, and probably not do it (whatever "it" was). But in the 1960s, a very common phrase was, "If it feels good, do it!" That has got to be the dumbest advice ever given. And look at all the disasters that have ensued.

    Two cartoon excerpts of how "You'll be sorry!" was used:

    https://youtu.be/94R_D9nLM3Y
    https://youtu.be/JCpnk5OuzUE

    A 1960s song extolling "If it feels good, do it!"

    https://youtu.be/UQrmF1Ihy4Q

    John Huston's landmark film about how combat really affects men:

    https://youtu.be/uiD6bnqpJDE
    , @unpc downunder
    There isn't much of a correlation between fertility rates and feminism. Most feminists support paying women to have kids (albeit at the expense of male taxpayers). Eastern Europe has very low birth rates and some Muslims countries are also at sub-replacement levels. More likely reasons for sub-replacement fertility are an unstable job market, high unemployment, increasing time spent at college, lack of affordable housing, and an increasing concentration of wealth in big cities (big cities have always been population sinks).
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    Does not seem over to me.
     
    So basically Arabs comprise 20.9 percent of the population, but 28.5 percent (40K/140K) of the new births.

    BTW, who are the other 5 percent in Israel? I just assumed every non-Jew was Arab be it muslim, Christian or Druze. Is that correct, or are Druze not considered Arabs?

    15 istevefan > Is that correct, or are Druze not considered Arabs?

    You speak English at home – does that mean you are British?

    the druz’im have traditionally spoke Arabic as a mother-tongue – but it’s kinda becoming a Hebraicized Arabic nowadays. You can thank televised pop culture for that, I suppose.

    Not so long ago, the IDF’s Druze battalion had to be stood down, because nowadays Druzi kids (a) are truly bilingual and feel quite at home in a Hebrew-speaking unit, so therefore weren’t signing up for the Druze battalion; and (b) if they ==do== want to mostly be with their homies, they can request the Magav, which (being a gendarmerie) has (fairly well-paid) civil-service spots open for those who finish conscript service

    Quite a few kibbutzim have accepted Druze families as full members. It no longer makes the news

    I sort of remember reading a story in Ma’ariv about a Druzit young woman who got into the Air Force. Well, most Druzit girls don’t apply to be conscripted, but completing a tech-school in the Israel Air Force certainly does give you a “iron rice bowl” of lifetime middle-class income. Smart girl.

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  43. @Baruch Kogan
    Whiskey-the men having lots of kids are in their 20s-40s, and the last really big war was in the 80s. Even there, most of the combat soldiers never killed anyone (that's what happens in war.)

    The men having lots of kids are disproportionately Haredi, and most Haredim do not serve in the military (this is changing now.) They don't even lift, bro.

    Sorry-the PUAs have sold you a bunch of crap.

    As for Lebensraum, since our neighbors are dysfunctional, murderous idiots with falling fertility rates and lots of land, I think that the writing is on the wall.

    35 Baruch Kogan our neighbors [have] lots of land

    You could drive the longest straight line (south-to-north) in Y’osh in half a morning. It is ==not== a big place – 5,640 square kilometers, says wikipedia.

    For comparison, Rhode Island is 4000 square kilometers. Does anyone here think that Rhode Island has “lots of land”?

    If you meant the Jordanians or the Egyptians – they have longtime, full-scale peace treaties with us.

    As for Gaza – that is the indigenous homeland of the Coptic Christians. I hope to live to see it, return to their ownership.

    If Israeli families can deal with living in “exile” down the block from iSteve, then they can likely deal with being Green-Card’ers in a Coptic Gaza

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    I'm talking about the Greater Land of Israel, as promised us by God.

    Treaties with the Jordanians and Egyptians are not worth the paper they're written on. Arab countries oscillate between anarchy and tyranny; in the meantime, those two places are in the tyranny phase, and the tyrants do not feel themselves able to contend with us. Thus, they do not attack us. The treaties are irrelevant.

    At some point in the future, either those countries will descend into anarchy, or their leaders will find it advantageous to attack us, or they will become so incapable of maintaining themselves that they will ask us to take over in some fashion.

    Gaza has 3000 Christians. Their Copticism is questionable. You propose that we conquer Gaza (since the Copts are incapable of doing so themselves,) import several million Copts from Egypt and give them the place? What possible point is there in doing that?
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    Does not seem over to me.
     
    So basically Arabs comprise 20.9 percent of the population, but 28.5 percent (40K/140K) of the new births.

    BTW, who are the other 5 percent in Israel? I just assumed every non-Jew was Arab be it muslim, Christian or Druze. Is that correct, or are Druze not considered Arabs?

    A substantial portion of the Russian/Ukrainian immigration are Christian family members.

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  45. @istevefan
    How do they keep that up in that? I'm quite surprised they remain. After seeing the millions entering Europe and receiving great benefits, wouldn't you think the Palestinians would head there too?

    This is an interesting question that I haven’t seen asked before. Indeed, why is there no (AFAIK) major wave of Palestinian refugees to the EU?

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    There is, and long has been, a steady stream of Palestinian immigration to the EU, particularly to Germany, rather ironically and hubristically. This stream is of an ever accelerating trend.
    , @Frankie P
    Sumud!

    The Palestinians are samidin, those who are steadfast in the face of oppression. They want their country back; they do not want to run away to Europe. They are like the olive trees, deeply rooted in the soil of Palestine for thousands of years. The transfer of Palestinians out of the land of Palestine was ugly, just as the Israeli rooting up of olive groves hundreds or a thousand years old is ugly.

    Studying the demographics of Israel, comparing Israeli Jews with Palestinian Arabs in Israel proper now and in the future is a joke. Studying the demographics of Israeli Jews with Palestinian Arabs in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (including Gaza, yes, it is still occupied) is more interesting. Studying the demographics of Israel, the OPT and the neighboring countries is where the true prophets of the future find their predictions. Living among a growing population of Arabs who you, your parents, your country have bombed and abused willy nilly with reckless abandon, a population of steadfast young people with access to internet and education, a population gaining economic, political and military power - it must be scary for the Israeli Jews. I see large numbers of secular Israeli Jews moving out; they don't even like the Jews who are procreating. The secular Jews are not the ones with the high birth rates; those are all orthodox Jews, crazy settlers, messianics who suck on the welfare of the state.

    It will be satisfying to watch.
    , @Anonymous
    The absence of massive migration from this group is indeed striking in light of the massive efforts made by Germany and some of its neighbors to encourage immigration by Muslim males. (Guess the gender, sexual orientation and age group of the pro-Muslim decision-makers and their acolytes.)

    Similarly, one would have expected some enterprising Arab and Jewish Israelis to reinvent themselves as "undocumented" "asylum seekers" in Europe, but apparently very little of this has occurred.

    (Of course, it is difficult to find out what is really happening since official record-keeping is carefully limited. Only telephone, and email records collected by the NSA and its European partners tell the real picture.)

    There are some West Bank Jordanians (soi-disant "Palestinians") in Europe, such as Sawsan Chebli, a Palestinian politician (and of course Muslim supremacist agent of influence) in Germany.

    Her parents came as "asylum" seekers to Germany and apparently never did a stroke of work while raising TWELVE CHILDREN on (generous) German child support. One brother now "works" as an imam in Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawsan_Chebli

    , @PV van der Byl
    UNRWA benefits for Palestinians are quite extensive. Syrians enjoy nothing similar. For a Palestinian, moving to a European welfare state would not provide nearly the same radically increased standard of living that would be the case for a Syrian or Libyan.
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  46. Don’t worry.

    There’s always NYC and LA to recolonize.

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  47. @Doug
    This is an interesting question that I haven't seen asked before. Indeed, why is there no (AFAIK) major wave of Palestinian refugees to the EU?

    There is, and long has been, a steady stream of Palestinian immigration to the EU, particularly to Germany, rather ironically and hubristically. This stream is of an ever accelerating trend.

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    ... and Palestine doesn't send their best.

    (please turn off your add-blocker if you have one)
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  48. The Congo, despite its high fertility rate, still has plenty of empty land. Its only 1/10 the population density of Israel. Kabila is a corrupt moron, who’s almost certainly going to plunge DRC back into total chaos. Rwanda has already previously successfully invaded nearly the entirety of the Congo. They’d like nothing more than to do so again, as Kabila continues to hide Hutu war criminals.

    Netanyahu and Paul Kagame have a good working relationship. The Rwandan army doing most of the boots on the ground work plus IDF advisors and air support would mean the war would be over in about three months. That’s a lot of good land and natural resources. With a Tutsi/Israeli ruling class it’d easily become the most developed country in Africa. Good policies would have an immediate impact on DRC’s out of control fertility rate. You could import a lot of Israeli colonizers looking for open spaces, not unlike the British in Rhodesia a hundred years ago.

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    Israel's political presence in the Great Lakes region is quite non-trivial. I don't have statistics, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were second behind the Chinese as investing the most time and energy into East Africa. (Chinese efforts seem to be more concentrated in Kenya, Tanzania, et all, but Kagame openly admires the Asian Tigers along with Israel, too.)

    I have said this before, and will say it again: the people of the Eastern Congo would be far, far better off under Rwandan occupation, even if that means Tutsi minority rule. It's not like Kinshasa-geographically further off than Kigali-has a whole lot ethnically in common with the ruled there as it stands, anyway.

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  49. @Steve Sailer
    https://www.jns.org/israels-jewish-fertility-rate-tops-arabs-for-first-time-defying-demographic-doom/

    Thanks! The report that page references at http://theettingerreport.com/Demographic-Scare/The-Jewish-Arab-demographic-about-face.aspx
    gives more exact numbers for the 2016 births and a comparison with 1995:

    From 80,400 Jewish births in 1995, the number surged to 139,400 in 2016, while the annual number of Arab births remained stable at around 41,000.

    The unprecedented tailwind behind Israel’s burgeoning Jewish demography is documented by the proportion of Jewish births in the country: 77% of total births in 2016, compared with 69% in 1995. Also, in 2016, there were 3.2 Jewish births per Arab birth, compared to 2.2 births in 1995.

    So the revised ratios are:

    74.5% / 20.9% = 3.6
    139,400 / 41,000 = 3.4

    There still seems to be a small inconsistency, but I was too cynical about “over 100k.”

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  50. @Anonymous
    OT

    Madison high schools are erupting in chaos. Three high schools in one day, Monday, February 19, over the noon hour.

    http://althouse.blogspot.jp/2018/02/madison-high-schools-are-erupting-in.html
    https://davidblaska.com/2018/02/20/three-madison-high-schools-erupt-in-chaos-monday-noon/

    Worth reading all of this to get a taste of how Kafkaesque modern reporting is. This story is not reported in the major media, but even the right-wing bloggers are afraid to mention race. You have to dig deep into the comments to get an idea of what is happening.

    This blogger (ex-reporter and ex-local politician) has to contact the cops himself to get information:

    https://davidblaska.com/2018/02/20/at-madison-high-schools-beset-by-brawls-school-board-considers-booting-cops/
    https://davidblaska.com/2018/02/16/18-police-respond-to-la-follette-high-school-brawl-that-injured-3/
    https://davidblaska.com/2018/01/25/disadvantaged-students-need-police-in-our-schools-the-most/

    In reading through this stuff I stumbled across something else that baffles me. Exactly what is special education? I had thought that it was for, uh, retarded students. But so much written on it seems to make it seem like that is not what it really is now.

    There was an iSteve post a while back about the way the Gap is greatest in liberal enclaves like Madison WI, and there was some speculation that the, ah … diversity, was indeed warehoused in Special Ed classrooms away from the mainstream (white + Asian offspring of faculty etc.) students.

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  51. I suppose Israel will have to build floating cities in the Mediterranean ocean.

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  52. @istevefan

    You need male sexiness (and in a multi-cultural society greater male sexiness than foreign/diverse males) to create a willingness in women to give birth, given how easy it is to avoid it.
     
    The USA had a giant baby boom post WW2. And I doubt those men would qualify as sexy by your standards. Did guys back then have game? I bet most were rather timid around girls due to the conservative upbringing. Many probably only had one partner, their wife.

    What you need is a society that is conducive to the institution of marriage and having children. The feminist revolution pretty much gutted that.

    We have no ability to raise the mass sexiness of White American males short of a mass draft and half of them or more killing some Third World enemy;
     
    There were about 12 million men and women in uniform during WW2. Let's say 10 million were men for easier math. I have no clue, but I'm sure the number of women was a small percentage.

    Given that only about 10 percent of the men are at the tip of the spear, I doubt much more than 1 to 2 million men were involved in combat where they could have pulled a trigger or bayoneted someone they could have seen. Many others dropped bombs or fired artillery pieces, but could not see those they killed.

    Even the guys like Audie Murphy who did the killing suffered from PTSD. The guy did end up having two kids, but suffered the rest of his life and slept with a pistol beneath his pillow.

    I think the post WW2 baby boom was more attributable to the bountiful economic conditions given we were the only guy left with factories still standing, and a more wholesome culture that expected people to marry young and have families. That came crashing down with the 1960s social changes and the rise of our competitors who finally became economically viable again.

    I agree with your post, but just a few additional thoughts:
    Regarding men having combat experience turning them into macho studs and chick magnets, I don’t think so. Actual combat is quite harrowing and only a sociopath would not be seriously emotionally affected by it.
    I don’t mean by that that all combat veterans have what we call PTSD now. That depends on specifically what happened to that individual and how, his personality and how he handles stress, as well as how much stress he has had to handle. Just because a person didn’t reach his own personal breaking point, however, doesn’t mean he wasn’t profoundly affected.
    I have never seen a real combat veteran who has witnessed what EFPs, IEDs, and IDFs do to human beings later go strutting around wowing the ladies with tales of his daring do. That’s reserved for pork chops and the like. Their combat experiences belong to them. They are not casually shared.
    But does combat experience give an individual an air of confidence? Maybe. But it’s more likely to give him an air of emotional distance, even unavailability. The combat veteran has learned that it doesn’t pay to get too emotionally attached to people.
    I should add that such attitudes don’t necessarily come from combat, because even far from combat war zones can be very dangerous places, where deadly accidents frequently happen.

    Did guys back then have game? I bet most were rather timid around girls due to the conservative upbringing.

    I’m not sure about that. Reading magazine stories and books from that era, as well as listening to radio plays and movies, there seems to have been an easy-going familiarity between young men and women, with a lot of snappy repartee and wisecracks. In addition, the men wore suits and ties when they courted a woman, and the women wore nice dresses, stockings and wedgies. And they danced — and unlike today, men took pride in being able to “cut a rug.”

    a more wholesome culture that expected people to marry young and have families. That came crashing down with the 1960s social changes

    Back in the 1940s, there was a very common phrase, “You’ll be sorreeeee!” It was sort of society’s way of saying you may think doing that is great, but you’d better think twice, and probably not do it (whatever “it” was). But in the 1960s, a very common phrase was, “If it feels good, do it!” That has got to be the dumbest advice ever given. And look at all the disasters that have ensued.

    Two cartoon excerpts of how “You’ll be sorry!” was used:

    A 1960s song extolling “If it feels good, do it!”

    John Huston’s landmark film about how combat really affects men:

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    Good takes on game. As for that, game, my ass. The whole con game of game-as-trickery is nonsense, my sympathies to Roosh. And he's an ugly dood, so maybe trickery is necessary. But throughout my time on this mortal coil and everything I've read and seen long before I came along, guys that want to get girls, get girls and they don't need to study game. Jesus that's stupid. Men that want women put themselves in position to do so one way or the other because they mean to get laid, later to have children. The guys that don't get girls these days get nothing. But used to be guys that didn't 'get' girls could at least have an ugly or chubby one, an ugly woman for every ugly man. That way, ugly guys could have a family. If you grew up middle class, they were all over the neighborhood. However it happened today, most of the girls are ugly and yet, they don't want the men ugly to their level of ugly as women. They aren't marrying in any case, preferring to have their babies out of wedlock and with a touch of diversity in the genes.

    Society is going to shit, but guys that want girls can still get girls, it isn't rocket science. I suppose the ugly guys get robots, if the ugly women that don't want ugly guys will allow ugly guys to have robots, that is. Near as I can tell, that's the opposition.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    From what I’ve seen, women seem to go most for men from the armed services branch with the lowest mortality rate - the Navy. Maybe because the Navy has the snazziest uniforms. Although the specific ones who probably have the most success with women are Air Force / Navy pilots. Pilots are all commissioned officers, and most of them have high school jock mentalities. To their credit, they do have the highest mortality rate of anyone in the armed services. They are just as likely to die in an accident during peace time as during war. Seriously, read up on any modern fighter or bomber class, and you’ll see that almost all of them have had at least one fatal accident in the last 20 years.
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  53. Israel doesn’t need to outnumber its enemies. One amazing example out of many:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mole_Cricket_19

    85 to 0, Wew!

    Will it be the USAF or IAF that kills the first Iranian fighter in air to air with an F-35? It is sad the IAF was the first to score kills with the F-15 and F-16.

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  54. Gaza birthrate was one of the world’s highest. But not these days. I don’t have the numbers. I do know of two religious Jewish Orthodox parents in America. Three of their offspring moved to Israel where they are also religious. Collectively they have produced 23 children. Might be more these days

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  55. @istevefan
    Yes, if population growth is what they want, then our elites could very well follow the Israeli example. After all, adding more people who are part of the culture that created the nation seems to make more sense than bringing in aliens. It makes more sense if preserving your culture is your priority. But somehow I don't think that is the case. I wonder what could have given me that perception.

    Yes, if population growth is what they want, then our elites could very well follow the Israeli example.

    Funny, the only people on the planet that were told post-Earth Day #1 to limit the number of children were us European and American White folks (other than the Chinese, who were actively committing infanticide against their daughters at the time). Blacks in the US and the Pakis and India and Africa, the Hispanics of Mexico and Central/South America somehow those folks didn’t get the ‘Save the Earth’ message. And now we’re to be the overflow having curtailed our own birthrates. Sure enough, in 30 years we didn’t have construction workers, engineers, retail workers and housekeepers.

    At the grass roots, there used to be lots of Blacks in construction and housekeeping and the retail sectors. By the late 80s, they were OUT and retail in Black regions died (Landover Mall in PG County, Md is a great example). The solution? Import the labor. In any case, especially when it comes to construction, retail and housekeepers, Hispanics and Asians are the preference because the Blacks, you know, they steal. And the wealthy especially prefer Hispanic housekeepers for this reason. My line of work, I heard it said a million times. Wealthy Democrats in the DC region practice that religiously. Funny, they keep their kids well clear, also.

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  56. We tend to obsess over the sub-Saharan population, but Perhaps we should be concerned about all sub-European demographics.

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  57. @Doug
    The Congo, despite its high fertility rate, still has plenty of empty land. Its only 1/10 the population density of Israel. Kabila is a corrupt moron, who's almost certainly going to plunge DRC back into total chaos. Rwanda has already previously successfully invaded nearly the entirety of the Congo. They'd like nothing more than to do so again, as Kabila continues to hide Hutu war criminals.

    Netanyahu and Paul Kagame have a good working relationship. The Rwandan army doing most of the boots on the ground work plus IDF advisors and air support would mean the war would be over in about three months. That's a lot of good land and natural resources. With a Tutsi/Israeli ruling class it'd easily become the most developed country in Africa. Good policies would have an immediate impact on DRC's out of control fertility rate. You could import a lot of Israeli colonizers looking for open spaces, not unlike the British in Rhodesia a hundred years ago.

    Israel’s political presence in the Great Lakes region is quite non-trivial. I don’t have statistics, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were second behind the Chinese as investing the most time and energy into East Africa. (Chinese efforts seem to be more concentrated in Kenya, Tanzania, et all, but Kagame openly admires the Asian Tigers along with Israel, too.)

    I have said this before, and will say it again: the people of the Eastern Congo would be far, far better off under Rwandan occupation, even if that means Tutsi minority rule. It’s not like Kinshasa-geographically further off than Kigali-has a whole lot ethnically in common with the ruled there as it stands, anyway.

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  58. @Whoever
    I agree with your post, but just a few additional thoughts:
    Regarding men having combat experience turning them into macho studs and chick magnets, I don't think so. Actual combat is quite harrowing and only a sociopath would not be seriously emotionally affected by it.
    I don't mean by that that all combat veterans have what we call PTSD now. That depends on specifically what happened to that individual and how, his personality and how he handles stress, as well as how much stress he has had to handle. Just because a person didn't reach his own personal breaking point, however, doesn't mean he wasn't profoundly affected.
    I have never seen a real combat veteran who has witnessed what EFPs, IEDs, and IDFs do to human beings later go strutting around wowing the ladies with tales of his daring do. That's reserved for pork chops and the like. Their combat experiences belong to them. They are not casually shared.
    But does combat experience give an individual an air of confidence? Maybe. But it's more likely to give him an air of emotional distance, even unavailability. The combat veteran has learned that it doesn't pay to get too emotionally attached to people.
    I should add that such attitudes don't necessarily come from combat, because even far from combat war zones can be very dangerous places, where deadly accidents frequently happen.

    Did guys back then have game? I bet most were rather timid around girls due to the conservative upbringing.

    I'm not sure about that. Reading magazine stories and books from that era, as well as listening to radio plays and movies, there seems to have been an easy-going familiarity between young men and women, with a lot of snappy repartee and wisecracks. In addition, the men wore suits and ties when they courted a woman, and the women wore nice dresses, stockings and wedgies. And they danced -- and unlike today, men took pride in being able to "cut a rug."

    a more wholesome culture that expected people to marry young and have families. That came crashing down with the 1960s social changes

    Back in the 1940s, there was a very common phrase, "You'll be sorreeeee!" It was sort of society's way of saying you may think doing that is great, but you'd better think twice, and probably not do it (whatever "it" was). But in the 1960s, a very common phrase was, "If it feels good, do it!" That has got to be the dumbest advice ever given. And look at all the disasters that have ensued.

    Two cartoon excerpts of how "You'll be sorry!" was used:

    https://youtu.be/94R_D9nLM3Y
    https://youtu.be/JCpnk5OuzUE

    A 1960s song extolling "If it feels good, do it!"

    https://youtu.be/UQrmF1Ihy4Q

    John Huston's landmark film about how combat really affects men:

    https://youtu.be/uiD6bnqpJDE

    Good takes on game. As for that, game, my ass. The whole con game of game-as-trickery is nonsense, my sympathies to Roosh. And he’s an ugly dood, so maybe trickery is necessary. But throughout my time on this mortal coil and everything I’ve read and seen long before I came along, guys that want to get girls, get girls and they don’t need to study game. Jesus that’s stupid. Men that want women put themselves in position to do so one way or the other because they mean to get laid, later to have children. The guys that don’t get girls these days get nothing. But used to be guys that didn’t ‘get’ girls could at least have an ugly or chubby one, an ugly woman for every ugly man. That way, ugly guys could have a family. If you grew up middle class, they were all over the neighborhood. However it happened today, most of the girls are ugly and yet, they don’t want the men ugly to their level of ugly as women. They aren’t marrying in any case, preferring to have their babies out of wedlock and with a touch of diversity in the genes.

    Society is going to shit, but guys that want girls can still get girls, it isn’t rocket science. I suppose the ugly guys get robots, if the ugly women that don’t want ugly guys will allow ugly guys to have robots, that is. Near as I can tell, that’s the opposition.

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  59. Like everywhere else, Israel is doomed in the long run. Not at the moment. The overcrowding of Israel is not something new. Young Israelis, like everyone else, have to decide whether to try to hack it where they grew up in Israel or try their luck elsewhere. Just think of it as a sociological petri dish. Historically it seems to be a garrison state with a limited shelf-life of perhaps 150-300 years. Like Sparta’s centuries long domination in ancient Greece.

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    The Kingdom of Asturias was also a garrison state. It solved that issue by conquest. Israels opponents are Arabs- Soviet assistance is gone so without oil wealth they will be crushed like bugs. Provided Israel doesn't commit suicide (still a likely possibility), its future is pretty bright.
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  60. @anon
    Did the Zionists make a mistake in picking Israel? A commenter noted Madagascar is much larger. There were also plans for East Africa, and there's still a nominally Jewish oblast in Siberia.

    Could they have struck a deal for a piece of the US, or Canada, or a warmer piece of the Soviet Union? In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a "flyover state," or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    They probably benefit from the conflict with their neighbors in some sick way. If they received South Texas, the relations with the US and Mexico would be too cordial, and their group solidarity would melt away.

    Modern technology allows for a lot of vertical growth in cities. I don't see why Israel can't do what Hong Kong has.

    >In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a “flyover state,” or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    The US/USSR/Canada are not the ones who gave us this land-God did, in our founding charter as a nation. We didn’t pick it-God picked it for us.

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    Did you know that Elohim gave the continental US to White America? True facts. It's called "Manifest Destiny." G-d also gave Australia to the cane toad. He's a nifty guy like that sometimes.
    , @27 year old

    The US/USSR/Canada are not the ones who gave us this land-God did,
     
    Taylor_Swift_Okay.gif
    , @John Derbyshire
    "How odd / Of God / To choose / The Jews."

    "Not news / Not odd / The Jews / Chose God."
    , @bomag

    [God gave us this land]
     
    Isn't there something about being given land over which one then exercises good stewardship?

    If you use the land as a launching pad to make things worse for those around you, that would not qualify as good stewardship.
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  61. @Karl
    35 Baruch Kogan our neighbors [have] lots of land

    You could drive the longest straight line (south-to-north) in Y'osh in half a morning. It is ==not== a big place - 5,640 square kilometers, says wikipedia.

    For comparison, Rhode Island is 4000 square kilometers. Does anyone here think that Rhode Island has "lots of land"?

    If you meant the Jordanians or the Egyptians - they have longtime, full-scale peace treaties with us.

    As for Gaza - that is the indigenous homeland of the Coptic Christians. I hope to live to see it, return to their ownership.

    If Israeli families can deal with living in "exile" down the block from iSteve, then they can likely deal with being Green-Card'ers in a Coptic Gaza

    I’m talking about the Greater Land of Israel, as promised us by God.

    Treaties with the Jordanians and Egyptians are not worth the paper they’re written on. Arab countries oscillate between anarchy and tyranny; in the meantime, those two places are in the tyranny phase, and the tyrants do not feel themselves able to contend with us. Thus, they do not attack us. The treaties are irrelevant.

    At some point in the future, either those countries will descend into anarchy, or their leaders will find it advantageous to attack us, or they will become so incapable of maintaining themselves that they will ask us to take over in some fashion.

    Gaza has 3000 Christians. Their Copticism is questionable. You propose that we conquer Gaza (since the Copts are incapable of doing so themselves,) import several million Copts from Egypt and give them the place? What possible point is there in doing that?

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    Most likely is that the populations of Israel's Arab neighbors emigrates en masse to the EU, and perhaps Canada or the good ol' US of A.
    Expect to see those nations 'hollow-out' of people - yes, even Egypt and its 100 million.
    Expect that fucking EU to not only welcome them, but *FORCE* them on Europe.

    Germany will get the lion's share.

    The phrase 'rough justice' has never been more apt, though the 'sting in the tail' will be a Muslim controlled nuclear armed France.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    I’m talking about the Greater Land of Israel, as promised us by God.
     
    At least you are willing to openly state the plan. When an outsider says it, he gets branded as an anti-Semite (an appellation that is rapidly losing its sting, by the way.)

    http://i1.wp.com/bibleprophecyfortoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/promised-land.jpg
    , @Karl
    58 Baruch Kogan > Gaza has 3000 Christians.


    In the late 1880's, Jerusalem had less than 10 families that spoke Hebrew at home





    > Their Copticism is questionable

    Only the Copts will define their own ethnic identity.

    You should examine the fate of the Rohingya, who tried to tell the Rakhines what Rakhine ethnic identity should be.
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  62. @CAL2
    Why do I have the feeling that the problem is more that the wrong type of Jews are having too many kids? You know, the non-liberal kind.

    The Liberal kind are bad too.

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    Sorry, I meant that the article was written because those "bad" Jews are having too many kids and will out vote the liberal Jews.
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  63. Explains why they can afford to send fecund Africans back to their homelands.

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  64. @Baruch Kogan
    >In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a “flyover state,” or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    The US/USSR/Canada are not the ones who gave us this land-God did, in our founding charter as a nation. We didn't pick it-God picked it for us.

    Did you know that Elohim gave the continental US to White America? True facts. It’s called “Manifest Destiny.” G-d also gave Australia to the cane toad. He’s a nifty guy like that sometimes.

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    Good for you!

    You've got a book that says so, that's been passed down intact for millennia and which has affected the course of history and the lives of billions, I suppose?

    If so, you should definitely take it seriously and follow it to the utmost, and I'm sure it will work out well for you, White America and the cane toad.
    , @Samuel Skinner
    Jews believe God gave them Israel and after 2 milennia of exile we have it back.

    Americans don't believe God gave them the US and after 2 centuries are going to lose it to Mexicans.

    There is a moral here is you are willing to parse it out.
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  65. @Whoever
    I agree with your post, but just a few additional thoughts:
    Regarding men having combat experience turning them into macho studs and chick magnets, I don't think so. Actual combat is quite harrowing and only a sociopath would not be seriously emotionally affected by it.
    I don't mean by that that all combat veterans have what we call PTSD now. That depends on specifically what happened to that individual and how, his personality and how he handles stress, as well as how much stress he has had to handle. Just because a person didn't reach his own personal breaking point, however, doesn't mean he wasn't profoundly affected.
    I have never seen a real combat veteran who has witnessed what EFPs, IEDs, and IDFs do to human beings later go strutting around wowing the ladies with tales of his daring do. That's reserved for pork chops and the like. Their combat experiences belong to them. They are not casually shared.
    But does combat experience give an individual an air of confidence? Maybe. But it's more likely to give him an air of emotional distance, even unavailability. The combat veteran has learned that it doesn't pay to get too emotionally attached to people.
    I should add that such attitudes don't necessarily come from combat, because even far from combat war zones can be very dangerous places, where deadly accidents frequently happen.

    Did guys back then have game? I bet most were rather timid around girls due to the conservative upbringing.

    I'm not sure about that. Reading magazine stories and books from that era, as well as listening to radio plays and movies, there seems to have been an easy-going familiarity between young men and women, with a lot of snappy repartee and wisecracks. In addition, the men wore suits and ties when they courted a woman, and the women wore nice dresses, stockings and wedgies. And they danced -- and unlike today, men took pride in being able to "cut a rug."

    a more wholesome culture that expected people to marry young and have families. That came crashing down with the 1960s social changes

    Back in the 1940s, there was a very common phrase, "You'll be sorreeeee!" It was sort of society's way of saying you may think doing that is great, but you'd better think twice, and probably not do it (whatever "it" was). But in the 1960s, a very common phrase was, "If it feels good, do it!" That has got to be the dumbest advice ever given. And look at all the disasters that have ensued.

    Two cartoon excerpts of how "You'll be sorry!" was used:

    https://youtu.be/94R_D9nLM3Y
    https://youtu.be/JCpnk5OuzUE

    A 1960s song extolling "If it feels good, do it!"

    https://youtu.be/UQrmF1Ihy4Q

    John Huston's landmark film about how combat really affects men:

    https://youtu.be/uiD6bnqpJDE

    From what I’ve seen, women seem to go most for men from the armed services branch with the lowest mortality rate – the Navy. Maybe because the Navy has the snazziest uniforms. Although the specific ones who probably have the most success with women are Air Force / Navy pilots. Pilots are all commissioned officers, and most of them have high school jock mentalities. To their credit, they do have the highest mortality rate of anyone in the armed services. They are just as likely to die in an accident during peace time as during war. Seriously, read up on any modern fighter or bomber class, and you’ll see that almost all of them have had at least one fatal accident in the last 20 years.

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  66. @anon
    Did you know that Elohim gave the continental US to White America? True facts. It's called "Manifest Destiny." G-d also gave Australia to the cane toad. He's a nifty guy like that sometimes.

    Good for you!

    You’ve got a book that says so, that’s been passed down intact for millennia and which has affected the course of history and the lives of billions, I suppose?

    If so, you should definitely take it seriously and follow it to the utmost, and I’m sure it will work out well for you, White America and the cane toad.

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  67. Sounds like Israel just needs to get a little elbow room!

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  68. @Baruch Kogan
    >In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a “flyover state,” or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    The US/USSR/Canada are not the ones who gave us this land-God did, in our founding charter as a nation. We didn't pick it-God picked it for us.

    The US/USSR/Canada are not the ones who gave us this land-God did,

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  69. You don’t have to send men into combat in order to make them attractive to women. Women are attracted to confidence and the ability to pass shit tests with violence and firmness if necessary.

    Tldr; if you can’t spank your wife, TFR will drop below 2.

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  70. @polskijoe
    The Liberal kind are bad too.

    Sorry, I meant that the article was written because those “bad” Jews are having too many kids and will out vote the liberal Jews.

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  71. @anon
    Did you know that Elohim gave the continental US to White America? True facts. It's called "Manifest Destiny." G-d also gave Australia to the cane toad. He's a nifty guy like that sometimes.

    Jews believe God gave them Israel and after 2 milennia of exile we have it back.

    Americans don’t believe God gave them the US and after 2 centuries are going to lose it to Mexicans.

    There is a moral here is you are willing to parse it out.

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    "Americans don’t believe God gave them the US and after 2 centuries are going to lose it to Mexicans."

    How are things going to be for you then?
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  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @BaruchKogan
    I'm talking about the Greater Land of Israel, as promised us by God.

    Treaties with the Jordanians and Egyptians are not worth the paper they're written on. Arab countries oscillate between anarchy and tyranny; in the meantime, those two places are in the tyranny phase, and the tyrants do not feel themselves able to contend with us. Thus, they do not attack us. The treaties are irrelevant.

    At some point in the future, either those countries will descend into anarchy, or their leaders will find it advantageous to attack us, or they will become so incapable of maintaining themselves that they will ask us to take over in some fashion.

    Gaza has 3000 Christians. Their Copticism is questionable. You propose that we conquer Gaza (since the Copts are incapable of doing so themselves,) import several million Copts from Egypt and give them the place? What possible point is there in doing that?

    Most likely is that the populations of Israel’s Arab neighbors emigrates en masse to the EU, and perhaps Canada or the good ol’ US of A.
    Expect to see those nations ‘hollow-out’ of people – yes, even Egypt and its 100 million.
    Expect that fucking EU to not only welcome them, but *FORCE* them on Europe.

    Germany will get the lion’s share.

    The phrase ‘rough justice’ has never been more apt, though the ‘sting in the tail’ will be a Muslim controlled nuclear armed France.

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  73. @Anonymouse
    Like everywhere else, Israel is doomed in the long run. Not at the moment. The overcrowding of Israel is not something new. Young Israelis, like everyone else, have to decide whether to try to hack it where they grew up in Israel or try their luck elsewhere. Just think of it as a sociological petri dish. Historically it seems to be a garrison state with a limited shelf-life of perhaps 150-300 years. Like Sparta's centuries long domination in ancient Greece.

    The Kingdom of Asturias was also a garrison state. It solved that issue by conquest. Israels opponents are Arabs- Soviet assistance is gone so without oil wealth they will be crushed like bugs. Provided Israel doesn’t commit suicide (still a likely possibility), its future is pretty bright.

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  74. @Doug
    This is an interesting question that I haven't seen asked before. Indeed, why is there no (AFAIK) major wave of Palestinian refugees to the EU?

    Sumud!

    The Palestinians are samidin, those who are steadfast in the face of oppression. They want their country back; they do not want to run away to Europe. They are like the olive trees, deeply rooted in the soil of Palestine for thousands of years. The transfer of Palestinians out of the land of Palestine was ugly, just as the Israeli rooting up of olive groves hundreds or a thousand years old is ugly.

    Studying the demographics of Israel, comparing Israeli Jews with Palestinian Arabs in Israel proper now and in the future is a joke. Studying the demographics of Israeli Jews with Palestinian Arabs in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (including Gaza, yes, it is still occupied) is more interesting. Studying the demographics of Israel, the OPT and the neighboring countries is where the true prophets of the future find their predictions. Living among a growing population of Arabs who you, your parents, your country have bombed and abused willy nilly with reckless abandon, a population of steadfast young people with access to internet and education, a population gaining economic, political and military power – it must be scary for the Israeli Jews. I see large numbers of secular Israeli Jews moving out; they don’t even like the Jews who are procreating. The secular Jews are not the ones with the high birth rates; those are all orthodox Jews, crazy settlers, messianics who suck on the welfare of the state.

    It will be satisfying to watch.

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  75. @Baruch Kogan
    >In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a “flyover state,” or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    The US/USSR/Canada are not the ones who gave us this land-God did, in our founding charter as a nation. We didn't pick it-God picked it for us.

    “How odd / Of God / To choose / The Jews.”

    “Not news / Not odd / The Jews / Chose God.”

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  76. Sure, you can promote procreation, but the effect might just happen across all races and ethnicities.

    Be honest, we’re talking about what would be “good for the Whites” right? How are you going to sell the 330 million people in the US, or the people in Europe, the idea of having more babies without making Whites even more of a minority?

    Non-Whites will continue to have disproportionately more children unless your campaign somehow dogwhistles to Whites. Appealing to White group interest is forbidden, remember? We have to eliminate that restriction on what we can say to each other.

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  77. @anon
    Did the Zionists make a mistake in picking Israel? A commenter noted Madagascar is much larger. There were also plans for East Africa, and there's still a nominally Jewish oblast in Siberia.

    Could they have struck a deal for a piece of the US, or Canada, or a warmer piece of the Soviet Union? In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a "flyover state," or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    They probably benefit from the conflict with their neighbors in some sick way. If they received South Texas, the relations with the US and Mexico would be too cordial, and their group solidarity would melt away.

    Modern technology allows for a lot of vertical growth in cities. I don't see why Israel can't do what Hong Kong has.

    There was an attempt to create a Jewish homeland in the Crimea by I think Polina Molotova among others. This resulted in Stalin killing or imprisoning anyone associated. So it was Siberia or nowhere if they wanted to stay in the USSR

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  78. @Thomas
    OT: speaking of Jews and their children, CNN's "Town Hall"/two minutes hate against guns tonight had some interesting moments. Money shot: Marco Rubio got ambushed out of the gate by a supposed bereaved father, Fred Guttenberg, who lost his daughter in the shooting. You really have to see the video to get it, but this guy is smiling, mugging, and wiggling his eyebrows while he has Rubio tied up in knots. I assume maybe he didn't know how the image would play on camera, but he didn't do very well keeping the grieving father act up.

    Video: https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA
    Image: https://ibb.co/ifmgJH

    Marco Rubio got ambushed out of the gate by a supposed bereaved father, Fred Guttenberg, who lost his daughter in the shooting.

    Obviously, furthering the agenda has taken precedence over the grieving.

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  79. @AKAHorace
    I think that the lesson is that it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups each trying to outbreed each other. Whoever wins the country will become increasingly overpopulated.

    it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups each trying to outbreed each other

    Good point. Games of chicken are not good public policy.

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  80. @Thomas
    OT: speaking of Jews and their children, CNN's "Town Hall"/two minutes hate against guns tonight had some interesting moments. Money shot: Marco Rubio got ambushed out of the gate by a supposed bereaved father, Fred Guttenberg, who lost his daughter in the shooting. You really have to see the video to get it, but this guy is smiling, mugging, and wiggling his eyebrows while he has Rubio tied up in knots. I assume maybe he didn't know how the image would play on camera, but he didn't do very well keeping the grieving father act up.

    Video: https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA
    Image: https://ibb.co/ifmgJH

    Will the Parkland school shooting be counted as an anti-semitic attack?

    Despite this:

    Another one of Nikolas Cruz’s messages read, “My real mom was a Jew. I am glad I never met her.”

    Please note that the Jewish Journal doesn’t dismiss this assertion as false.

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  81. @Anonymous
    There is, and long has been, a steady stream of Palestinian immigration to the EU, particularly to Germany, rather ironically and hubristically. This stream is of an ever accelerating trend.

    … and Palestine doesn’t send their best.

    (please turn off your add-blocker if you have one)

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  82. @AKAHorace
    I think that the lesson is that it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups each trying to outbreed each other. Whoever wins the country will become increasingly overpopulated.

    I think that the lesson is that it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups each trying to outbreed each other. Whoever wins the country will become increasingly overpopulated.

    Winner!

    You can shortern to “it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups”.

    His “overpopulation” worries are the sort of concern that you can have–and address–in one-people nations.

    Heck, i much prefer the US i grew up in which just hit 200 million when i was ambling through elementary school, just in terms of population–never mind all the other stuff–to the US of today which is noticeably more crowded, sprawling everywhere around any metro area. But i can’t in good conscience tell anyone conscientious not to have more kids. We need white people and smart, conscientious people generally to get busy! Right now–seriously, carry her upstairs and get on with it. (We’re rapidly headed to some sci-fi dystopia of stupid, brownish, fat and tatooed people. An ugly version of Brazil.)

    On the other hand, Japan can shrink–as long as they don’t listen to the open borders shilling from the usual suspects–and be fine as long as they watch the eugenics.

    Israel–from my non-Jewish and far-far away perspective–actually has two distinct people divides. They have the Arab minority with even more under occupation–who are in total (counting territories) slightly outbreeding the Jews. They need to get separate nations setup and expel and “inpel” as necessary. Then they have this completely parasitic Haredi minority which might look at a glance to be no biggie but has such high fertility that it literally swallows the nation in a few more generations. Even one more generation and the parasitic load will reach overburdening proportions. They have to figure out at least how to cut them off the welfare teat, but they vote. (As a general rule no one on welfare should ever be allowed to vote. It’s up to productive people to figure out how to organize and distribute public amenities.)

    Botton line, which we see again and again and again: There are no end of ways that one-people nations are better than multiethnic ones.

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  83. @wren
    Very OT:

    An iStevey article about where the blame lays for the Florida school shooting:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/21/its-too-late-broward-county-school-board-beginning-to-admit-their-mistakes

    Apparently the Broward County school district and the Obama admin were concerned about the disparate impact of various zero tolerance policies, so they worked hard to make sure that kids who committed serious crimes were protected from the police and consequences.

    This policy kept Travon Martin out of jail and the recent shooter's past violent behavior away from the eyes of the police.

    Did Cruz belong in an institution? did Trayvon belong in a reformatory? I feel for the schools because they’re tasked with the impossible: educating those who refuse education.

    Nobody seems to have a good solution for the young, belligerent males who either can’t or won’t fit in to society. Clearly the schools are the wrong place for them.

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    Nobody seems to have a good solution for the young, belligerent males who either can’t or won’t fit in to society.
     
    Let's edit that to read, "Nobody in power in the US today seems to have a good solution..."

    There's been 5000 years or so of human civilization on the planet that has dealt with the issue, in no small part by determining who gets born in the first place.

    But we notice these things more as the planet fills up with people: there are fewer accessible frontiers on which anxious and ambitious people can vent their energies.
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  84. It’s always amazing to me how stories about demographic battle in other lands can be presented with reason and understanding, but even thinking about the demographic battle being waged against you while you weren’t paying attention is racists – “you white, hetero-normative, cis-, racist. Shut up! The future is brown….”

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  85. @Luke Lea
    I read somewhere recently that only about half of ultra-orthodox Jewish children remain that way when adults. If true, this should provide a steady stream of new Ashkenazi secular talent.

    I read somewhere recently that only about half of ultra-orthodox Jewish children remain that way when adults. If true, this should provide a steady stream of new Ashkenazi secular talent.

    Nah, it’s not anywhere near %50. More like 10-15

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  86. Kevin Federline does even better, he has IIRC six times as many kids as Mark Zuckerberg.

    Serious Britney Spears thing going, eh? I’m trying to figure out your weird fixation on that guy. Hey, I don’t blame you. She was pretty hot back in the day.

    Federline isn’t exactly living like a refugee, my friend.

    Israel’s fertility rise is thus impossible to replicate.

    Well, that’s the Jewish position, anyway. Diversity is inevitable, refugees are inevitable, open borders are inevitable, white genocide and extinction (they don’t use these words) are inevitable. It’s all like the tides, or gravity.

    That must be why diaspora Jews pour so much money and effort into making sure it all goes smoothly; everyone funds the inevitable, am I right?

    But your whole “it’s a totally unique part of being in daaaaaangerous Israel, has nothing to do with ethnocentric Jewish culture, nossir” thing was funny to read, thanks.

    P.S., I would like to juxtapose, for the benefit of readers who might need reminding, Whiskey’s positions on how to achieve collective survival:

    1 Be so Jewish you’re a super-stud.
    2 Be so Japanese you’re a super-nerd.

    If you like just-so stories, Whiskey’s your guy.

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  87. “How odd / Of God / To choose / The Jews.”

    “Not news / Not odd / The Jews / Chose God.”

    Belief is an interesting thing. Jews should at least be cautious about how stridently they assert theirs to the goyim. Belief can move millions, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

    What happens if Christianity is rekindled, and heretical Zionist “Christianity” stamped out? Hundreds of millions of Christians suddenly angry at the Jews’ pretensions of a Covenant that long since became a covenant – never mind their response to being secretly leveraged behind their backs to fund and support it.

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    The Bible says that God is not a man, that He should change His mind, and change His Covenant.

    You're calling Him a liar. Good luck.

    Oh, and happy Purim!
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  88. And of course, there’s the present situation, where most Westerners read “G-d gave us the Levant” and think what a bunch of arrogant lunatics Zionists are.

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  89. Winner!

    You can shorten to “it is not good for a country to be divided into several groups”.

    Of course, racially the differences in Israel are roughly equivalent to the differences between, say, the French and the Italians. The real French and Italians, I mean. The place is like 95%+ Levantine. Blacks are less than 1%. Yellows probably the same. This is Israel’s vaunted “diversity.”

    Looking at population density stats and maps, it sure does seem like some countries have plenty of space available.

    Leaving aside the fact that cramming every piece of land with people would be a bad thing for many reasons, most maps don’t tell you how habitable the land is. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one that does; except maybe by implication, as in population density maps, lol. E.g., something like half of China ranges from uninhabitable to marginally habitable.

    They should have chosen Madagascar instead.

    Israel 8,522 sq mi
    Madagascar 226,658 sq mi

    I’m trying to picture the war (necessitating/justifying billions of aid every year to Madagisrael) there. Free South Africa? Keep Apartheid Alive?

    Sure, you can promote procreation, but the effect might just happen across all races and ethnicities.

    Be honest, we’re talking about what would be “good for the Whites” right? How are you going to sell the 330 million people in the US, or the people in Europe, the idea of having more babies without making Whites even more of a minority?

    Non-Whites will continue to have disproportionately more children unless your campaign somehow dogwhistles to Whites. Appealing to White group interest is forbidden, remember? We have to eliminate that restriction on what we can say to each other.

    Do it the same way liberals cover their tracks choosing neighborhoods to live in. I.e., promote higher birth rates among groups that can afford it, and responsibility among the groups that can’t. Also, even rising birth rates across the board would be better than open borders and mass immigration.

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  90. That should be:

    I.e., promote higher birth rates for families that can afford it, and responsibility for the ones that can’t.

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  91. @Svigor

    “How odd / Of God / To choose / The Jews.”

    “Not news / Not odd / The Jews / Chose God.”
     
    Belief is an interesting thing. Jews should at least be cautious about how stridently they assert theirs to the goyim. Belief can move millions, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

    What happens if Christianity is rekindled, and heretical Zionist "Christianity" stamped out? Hundreds of millions of Christians suddenly angry at the Jews' pretensions of a Covenant that long since became a covenant - never mind their response to being secretly leveraged behind their backs to fund and support it.

    The Bible says that God is not a man, that He should change His mind, and change His Covenant.

    You’re calling Him a liar. Good luck.

    Oh, and happy Purim!

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  92. @BaruchKogan
    I'm talking about the Greater Land of Israel, as promised us by God.

    Treaties with the Jordanians and Egyptians are not worth the paper they're written on. Arab countries oscillate between anarchy and tyranny; in the meantime, those two places are in the tyranny phase, and the tyrants do not feel themselves able to contend with us. Thus, they do not attack us. The treaties are irrelevant.

    At some point in the future, either those countries will descend into anarchy, or their leaders will find it advantageous to attack us, or they will become so incapable of maintaining themselves that they will ask us to take over in some fashion.

    Gaza has 3000 Christians. Their Copticism is questionable. You propose that we conquer Gaza (since the Copts are incapable of doing so themselves,) import several million Copts from Egypt and give them the place? What possible point is there in doing that?

    I’m talking about the Greater Land of Israel, as promised us by God.

    At least you are willing to openly state the plan. When an outsider says it, he gets branded as an anti-Semite (an appellation that is rapidly losing its sting, by the way.)

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  93. The Bible says that God is not a man, that He should change His mind, and change His Covenant.

    You’re calling Him a liar. Good luck.

    Gonna need chapter and verse. And from the Bible, since you’re not preaching to your own choir.

    My guess is, God didn’t change his mind; rather, he did what he planned to do all along, should the Jews fail him.

    Oh, and happy Purim!

    I don’t keep track of which Jewish holiday is which, but if memory serves, Purim isn’t the one that isn’t about Jews killing somebody.

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  94. At least you are willing to openly state the plan. When an outsider says it, he gets branded as an anti-Semite (an appellation that is rapidly losing its sting, by the way.)

    Yeah it’s probably best to sweep the religious arguments under the rug when dealing with a largely secular audience; Jewish scripture just looks like a mob ledger to them.

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  95. @stillCARealist
    Did Cruz belong in an institution? did Trayvon belong in a reformatory? I feel for the schools because they're tasked with the impossible: educating those who refuse education.

    Nobody seems to have a good solution for the young, belligerent males who either can't or won't fit in to society. Clearly the schools are the wrong place for them.

    Nobody seems to have a good solution for the young, belligerent males who either can’t or won’t fit in to society.

    Let’s edit that to read, “Nobody in power in the US today seems to have a good solution…”

    There’s been 5000 years or so of human civilization on the planet that has dealt with the issue, in no small part by determining who gets born in the first place.

    But we notice these things more as the planet fills up with people: there are fewer accessible frontiers on which anxious and ambitious people can vent their energies.

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  96. @istevefan

    You need male sexiness (and in a multi-cultural society greater male sexiness than foreign/diverse males) to create a willingness in women to give birth, given how easy it is to avoid it.
     
    The USA had a giant baby boom post WW2. And I doubt those men would qualify as sexy by your standards. Did guys back then have game? I bet most were rather timid around girls due to the conservative upbringing. Many probably only had one partner, their wife.

    What you need is a society that is conducive to the institution of marriage and having children. The feminist revolution pretty much gutted that.

    We have no ability to raise the mass sexiness of White American males short of a mass draft and half of them or more killing some Third World enemy;
     
    There were about 12 million men and women in uniform during WW2. Let's say 10 million were men for easier math. I have no clue, but I'm sure the number of women was a small percentage.

    Given that only about 10 percent of the men are at the tip of the spear, I doubt much more than 1 to 2 million men were involved in combat where they could have pulled a trigger or bayoneted someone they could have seen. Many others dropped bombs or fired artillery pieces, but could not see those they killed.

    Even the guys like Audie Murphy who did the killing suffered from PTSD. The guy did end up having two kids, but suffered the rest of his life and slept with a pistol beneath his pillow.

    I think the post WW2 baby boom was more attributable to the bountiful economic conditions given we were the only guy left with factories still standing, and a more wholesome culture that expected people to marry young and have families. That came crashing down with the 1960s social changes and the rise of our competitors who finally became economically viable again.

    There isn’t much of a correlation between fertility rates and feminism. Most feminists support paying women to have kids (albeit at the expense of male taxpayers). Eastern Europe has very low birth rates and some Muslims countries are also at sub-replacement levels. More likely reasons for sub-replacement fertility are an unstable job market, high unemployment, increasing time spent at college, lack of affordable housing, and an increasing concentration of wealth in big cities (big cities have always been population sinks).

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    More likely reasons for sub-replacement fertility are an unstable job market, high unemployment, increasing time spent at college, lack of affordable housing, and an increasing concentration of wealth in big cities (big cities have always been population sinks).
     
    Definitely a tough topic. Sub-sahara Africa seems to have some of the ills you list. But their fertility is sky high. So I really don't know why fertility in some nations is crashing. I still think our form of feminism, i.e. third wave feminism, is at least partially responsible. But that is just a guess.
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  97. @Baruch Kogan
    >In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a “flyover state,” or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    The US/USSR/Canada are not the ones who gave us this land-God did, in our founding charter as a nation. We didn't pick it-God picked it for us.

    [God gave us this land]

    Isn’t there something about being given land over which one then exercises good stewardship?

    If you use the land as a launching pad to make things worse for those around you, that would not qualify as good stewardship.

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  98. @unpc downunder
    There isn't much of a correlation between fertility rates and feminism. Most feminists support paying women to have kids (albeit at the expense of male taxpayers). Eastern Europe has very low birth rates and some Muslims countries are also at sub-replacement levels. More likely reasons for sub-replacement fertility are an unstable job market, high unemployment, increasing time spent at college, lack of affordable housing, and an increasing concentration of wealth in big cities (big cities have always been population sinks).

    More likely reasons for sub-replacement fertility are an unstable job market, high unemployment, increasing time spent at college, lack of affordable housing, and an increasing concentration of wealth in big cities (big cities have always been population sinks).

    Definitely a tough topic. Sub-sahara Africa seems to have some of the ills you list. But their fertility is sky high. So I really don’t know why fertility in some nations is crashing. I still think our form of feminism, i.e. third wave feminism, is at least partially responsible. But that is just a guess.

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  99. @BaruchKogan
    I'm talking about the Greater Land of Israel, as promised us by God.

    Treaties with the Jordanians and Egyptians are not worth the paper they're written on. Arab countries oscillate between anarchy and tyranny; in the meantime, those two places are in the tyranny phase, and the tyrants do not feel themselves able to contend with us. Thus, they do not attack us. The treaties are irrelevant.

    At some point in the future, either those countries will descend into anarchy, or their leaders will find it advantageous to attack us, or they will become so incapable of maintaining themselves that they will ask us to take over in some fashion.

    Gaza has 3000 Christians. Their Copticism is questionable. You propose that we conquer Gaza (since the Copts are incapable of doing so themselves,) import several million Copts from Egypt and give them the place? What possible point is there in doing that?

    58 Baruch Kogan > Gaza has 3000 Christians.

    In the late 1880′s, Jerusalem had less than 10 families that spoke Hebrew at home

    > Their Copticism is questionable

    Only the Copts will define their own ethnic identity.

    You should examine the fate of the Rohingya, who tried to tell the Rakhines what Rakhine ethnic identity should be.

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  100. @Whiskey
    Fertility is not a simple matter. Not at all. Its not a matter of tax planning or tax breaks. Nor is it the function of family friendly policies.

    Fertility is a function of: f(x) = male_sexiness * (1/age women/girls first give birth), roughly.

    You need male sexiness (and in a multi-cultural society greater male sexiness than foreign/diverse males) to create a willingness in women to give birth, given how easy it is to avoid it.

    No woman despite his wealth really wants to have Mark Zuckerberg's kids. Its clear his wife can't even stand to touch him -- he's so nerdy. By contrast, the lowest low life African will find no shortage of women though they may be of low quality even if he's living in a shack in Calais hoping to sneak into England. Kevin Federline does even better, he has IIRC six times as many kids as Mark Zuckerberg.

    And fertility is a function of when a woman first gives birth. A girl of fifteen having her first baby has about 20 more years of fertility left. Sad but true, a woman of 35 giving birth to her first child will almost certainly never have another without expensive and risky fertility treatments.

    Israel is filled with men who have killed somebody in their many recent wars. This increases male sexiness. Women dig violence in men like they do movies about sparkly vampires or sadistic billionaires. They are also in the Orthodox more comfortable with teen mothers than say, your average White middle class person who views it as a boat anchor around a girl's life. [In this case accurately as baby daddy will be some teen bad boy or close to it exiting the girl's life at the speed of sound]

    Israel's fertility rise is thus impossible to replicate. We have no ability to raise the mass sexiness of White American males short of a mass draft and half of them or more killing some Third World enemy; and we are not about to countenance teen or even early twenties pregnancy, locked into the model of one and done at age 35.

    This is a HARD LIMIT OF BIOLOGY. And no amount of Lesbians getting sperm donations and fertility treatments can change those limits.

    I don’t think American combat veterans are considered particularly attractive. In fact, it seems to be a malus. This is of course because women perceive that they are latter-day janissaries and throughly housebroken, not marauding warriors fighting for their own advancement.

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  101. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Doug
    This is an interesting question that I haven't seen asked before. Indeed, why is there no (AFAIK) major wave of Palestinian refugees to the EU?

    The absence of massive migration from this group is indeed striking in light of the massive efforts made by Germany and some of its neighbors to encourage immigration by Muslim males. (Guess the gender, sexual orientation and age group of the pro-Muslim decision-makers and their acolytes.)

    Similarly, one would have expected some enterprising Arab and Jewish Israelis to reinvent themselves as “undocumented” “asylum seekers” in Europe, but apparently very little of this has occurred.

    (Of course, it is difficult to find out what is really happening since official record-keeping is carefully limited. Only telephone, and email records collected by the NSA and its European partners tell the real picture.)

    There are some West Bank Jordanians (soi-disant “Palestinians”) in Europe, such as Sawsan Chebli, a Palestinian politician (and of course Muslim supremacist agent of influence) in Germany.

    Her parents came as “asylum” seekers to Germany and apparently never did a stroke of work while raising TWELVE CHILDREN on (generous) German child support. One brother now “works” as an imam in Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawsan_Chebli

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  102. @Doug
    This is an interesting question that I haven't seen asked before. Indeed, why is there no (AFAIK) major wave of Palestinian refugees to the EU?

    UNRWA benefits for Palestinians are quite extensive. Syrians enjoy nothing similar. For a Palestinian, moving to a European welfare state would not provide nearly the same radically increased standard of living that would be the case for a Syrian or Libyan.

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  103. @CAL2
    Why do I have the feeling that the problem is more that the wrong type of Jews are having too many kids? You know, the non-liberal kind.

    The ultra-Orthos won’t serve in the army, so their kids aren’t much help.

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    The ultra-Orthos won’t serve in the army, so their kids aren’t much help
     
    It makes a great deal of difference which sex you are talking about. Israeli law recognizes this; haredi women are exempt from the draft. Orthodox men are not, unless they're deep in rabbinical studies. (Our own draft law also exempts seminarians, and always has.)

    On the other hand, Arab men are exempt, too.

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  104. @istevefan
    How do they keep that up in that? I'm quite surprised they remain. After seeing the millions entering Europe and receiving great benefits, wouldn't you think the Palestinians would head there too?

    How do they keep that up in that? I’m quite surprised they remain. After seeing the millions entering Europe and receiving great benefits, wouldn’t you think the Palestinians would head there too?

    How do you know they aren’t?

    By having enough children, you can send a large portion of them abroad while still maintaining a stable population at home. Vermont did this for centuries, until recently.

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  105. @anon
    Did the Zionists make a mistake in picking Israel? A commenter noted Madagascar is much larger. There were also plans for East Africa, and there's still a nominally Jewish oblast in Siberia.

    Could they have struck a deal for a piece of the US, or Canada, or a warmer piece of the Soviet Union? In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a "flyover state," or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    They probably benefit from the conflict with their neighbors in some sick way. If they received South Texas, the relations with the US and Mexico would be too cordial, and their group solidarity would melt away.

    Modern technology allows for a lot of vertical growth in cities. I don't see why Israel can't do what Hong Kong has.

    Or Tokyo.

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  106. @Rosamond Vincy
    The ultra-Orthos won't serve in the army, so their kids aren't much help.

    The ultra-Orthos won’t serve in the army, so their kids aren’t much help

    It makes a great deal of difference which sex you are talking about. Israeli law recognizes this; haredi women are exempt from the draft. Orthodox men are not, unless they’re deep in rabbinical studies. (Our own draft law also exempts seminarians, and always has.)

    On the other hand, Arab men are exempt, too.

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    There are sects where all the men do nothing but study, and the women are the breadwinners. And do all the house work. And have 20 kids. Very difficult for those 20 kids to leave, when they usually have no marketable skills, although the girls might be able to get domestic work.
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  107. @Reg Cæsar

    The ultra-Orthos won’t serve in the army, so their kids aren’t much help
     
    It makes a great deal of difference which sex you are talking about. Israeli law recognizes this; haredi women are exempt from the draft. Orthodox men are not, unless they're deep in rabbinical studies. (Our own draft law also exempts seminarians, and always has.)

    On the other hand, Arab men are exempt, too.

    There are sects where all the men do nothing but study, and the women are the breadwinners. And do all the house work. And have 20 kids. Very difficult for those 20 kids to leave, when they usually have no marketable skills, although the girls might be able to get domestic work.

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  108. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Did the Zionists make a mistake in picking Israel? A commenter noted Madagascar is much larger. There were also plans for East Africa, and there's still a nominally Jewish oblast in Siberia.

    Could they have struck a deal for a piece of the US, or Canada, or a warmer piece of the Soviet Union? In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a "flyover state," or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    They probably benefit from the conflict with their neighbors in some sick way. If they received South Texas, the relations with the US and Mexico would be too cordial, and their group solidarity would melt away.

    Modern technology allows for a lot of vertical growth in cities. I don't see why Israel can't do what Hong Kong has.

    US, Canada, and EU are Jewish properties if not homelands.

    It’s better to own something silently.

    Israel wasn’t meant to be THE homeland for Jews. Jews wanted it because of its great religious and historical significance.

    The real Jewish power was in the takeover of Western nations. Jews pretty much own the best parts of NY, Chicago, Miami, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Fran, Boston, etc. In terms of power, those are the Real Israels.

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    Yes.

    Someone who understands.
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  109. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Did the Zionists make a mistake in picking Israel? A commenter noted Madagascar is much larger. There were also plans for East Africa, and there's still a nominally Jewish oblast in Siberia.

    Could they have struck a deal for a piece of the US, or Canada, or a warmer piece of the Soviet Union? In retrospect it would have cost the US a lot less to just give them a "flyover state," or South Texas, or, hell, Hawaii.

    They probably benefit from the conflict with their neighbors in some sick way. If they received South Texas, the relations with the US and Mexico would be too cordial, and their group solidarity would melt away.

    Modern technology allows for a lot of vertical growth in cities. I don't see why Israel can't do what Hong Kong has.

    It would not have been good if Jews took land from Africans.

    The Jewish-black alliance in guilt-baiting whitey has been one of the hallmarks of Jewish Power.

    Jews could use someone like MLK because blacks didn’t care about the plight of Palestinians.

    But it would have been a far thornier issue for MLK and Jewish-black alliance if Zionists had taken land from blacks and treated them none too well.

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  110. Can we expect an increase in late night TV ads for the children of Israel, targeted at old Evangelicals?

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  111. @Massimo Heitor
    I posted this jpost link earlier today. As a reminder, Israel successfully socially engineered higher Jewish birth rates and ignored bitter opposition. If Europe has the political willpower, they can do exactly the same thing. It takes more than a simple family tax cut, with genuine deep motivation, you can raise birth rates.

    I posted this jpost link earlier today. As a reminder, Israel successfully socially engineered higher Jewish birth rates and ignored bitter opposition. If Europe has the political willpower, they can do exactly the same thing. It takes more than a simple family tax cut, with genuine deep motivation, you can raise birth rates.

    It’s not a result of the government, which offers very little child support. Also the housing situation militates against a higher birth (everyone is in 3 bedroom apartments).

    It happens more likely due to people’s unconscious feeling of being inside a demographic battle, and this fear of being overwhelmed, not only by Arabs, but also by other Jewish groups (the secular in Israel are quite terrified of the Haredim – while the Haredim and National Religious groups do not use contraception).

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    It happens more likely due to people’s unconscious feeling of being inside a demographic battle

     

    And so, reminded me of the joke in the comedy sketch, at 1:35:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Sdkps0Quo

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  112. @Dmitry

    I posted this jpost link earlier today. As a reminder, Israel successfully socially engineered higher Jewish birth rates and ignored bitter opposition. If Europe has the political willpower, they can do exactly the same thing. It takes more than a simple family tax cut, with genuine deep motivation, you can raise birth rates.
     
    It's not a result of the government, which offers very little child support. Also the housing situation militates against a higher birth (everyone is in 3 bedroom apartments).

    It happens more likely due to people's unconscious feeling of being inside a demographic battle, and this fear of being overwhelmed, not only by Arabs, but also by other Jewish groups (the secular in Israel are quite terrified of the Haredim - while the Haredim and National Religious groups do not use contraception).

    It happens more likely due to people’s unconscious feeling of being inside a demographic battle

    And so, reminded me of the joke in the comedy sketch, at 1:35:

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  113. iSteve: “Affordable family formation. White people in America and Europe aren’t having children because it costs too much.”

    Also iSteve: “Look at these Israelis (earning 70% of American salaries, paying 150% in taxes and rent) having 2-3 times more children than American and European whites.”

    iSteve: “look at all these hypocritical Jewish progs, undermining American society-they would never do that in Israel.”

    Also iSteve:

    iSteve:

    Also iSteve:

    Hmm…

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    Malformed comment. Square brackets are read as markup, I guess. Might want to tell Unz about it.

    Also iSteve: -posts article from prog Israeli paper with prog Jewish academics and policy wonks decrying the wrong kinds of Jews making too many Jewish babies.

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  114. @BaruchKogan
    iSteve: "Affordable family formation. White people in America and Europe aren't having children because it costs too much."

    Also iSteve: "Look at these Israelis (earning 70% of American salaries, paying 150% in taxes and rent) having 2-3 times more children than American and European whites."

    iSteve: "look at all these hypocritical Jewish progs, undermining American society-they would never do that in Israel."

    Also iSteve:

    iSteve:

    Also iSteve:

    Hmm...

    Malformed comment. Square brackets are read as markup, I guess. Might want to tell Unz about it.

    Also iSteve: -posts article from prog Israeli paper with prog Jewish academics and policy wonks decrying the wrong kinds of Jews making too many Jewish babies.

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  115. Jews have way too much of a nationalist/ethnocentric/hypocritical/dishonest mess in their own back yard to criticize anyone else, Baruch. Get to cleanin’.

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  116. @Samuel Skinner
    Jews believe God gave them Israel and after 2 milennia of exile we have it back.

    Americans don't believe God gave them the US and after 2 centuries are going to lose it to Mexicans.

    There is a moral here is you are willing to parse it out.

    “Americans don’t believe God gave them the US and after 2 centuries are going to lose it to Mexicans.”

    How are things going to be for you then?

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  117. @Anon
    US, Canada, and EU are Jewish properties if not homelands.

    It's better to own something silently.

    Israel wasn't meant to be THE homeland for Jews. Jews wanted it because of its great religious and historical significance.

    The real Jewish power was in the takeover of Western nations. Jews pretty much own the best parts of NY, Chicago, Miami, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Fran, Boston, etc. In terms of power, those are the Real Israels.

    Yes.

    Someone who understands.

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