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From the New York Times:

John Kasich and Jeb Bush Jr.: A Bad Idea on Immigration
By JOHN KASICH and JEB BUSH Jr. JAN. 11, 2018

Immigration has become one of the most polarizing issues of our day. But it is worth remembering that this century opened with a tale of family and migration that was as contentious as many of the stories that punctuate our current debate: the case of Elián González.

In November 1999, when Elián was 6, he left Cuba in a small boat with his mother, who was seeking a better life in Florida. She and 10 others died when the boat sank in a storm. Elián survived by clinging to an inner tube. Courts eventually ruled that he must return to his father in Cuba rather than stay with relatives in Florida. He remains there to this day.

I can recall sitting at a dinner table in late 1999, with a former Lt. Governor who wanted to talk about the Elian Gonzalez case. She turned to Gen. William Odom, head of the NSA under Reagan, and asked him what he thought of the case. The General replied, “It is of trivial importance.”

Regardless of your views of the underlying legal arguments in the case, the image of a small, frightened boy being pulled from the arms of a sheltering adult by a team of heavily armed federal agents remains seared in the minds of many people as a low point in the immigration debate.

Huh? I thought it was about Cuba.

Brace yourself for the possibility of seeing this kind of scene again.

As Republicans, whose party has consistently and rightly advanced policies to support the essential role of families

Elian was reunited with his nuclear family, over the objections of part of his extended family. The police get involved in these kind of disputes all the time in America.

in America, we are deeply troubled by the harm that is about to be done to hundreds of thousands of families that have legally called America home for more than two decades.

In the wake of the 2001 earthquake in El Salvador that claimed more than 1,000 lives and destroyed 100,000 homes, the United States allowed hard-hit families to live and work in America. This merciful act was one of many that America took to relieve the suffering of a natural disaster in one of the hemisphere’s most troubled, impoverished nations.

You might almost say that El Salvador is …

Now, after almost two decades, the nation that showed that kindness is poised to revoke it …

“Temporary” means forever.

 
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  1. fish says:

    ¡Jeb!: Temporary Protected Status Must be Forever

    ……sigh.

    Please…..just go away.

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  2. Clyde says:

    Temporary Protected Status also covers illegals already in America who were lucky enough to have a hurricane hit their homeland. Or a volcano blow up. If they have strong enough voodoo or Santeria they can get that volcano to blow. What I figure.

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  3. Nico says:

    Those of us who want to cling to a glimmer of hope for the 2018 elections or 2020 should be grateful to the likes of ¡Jeb! and Hillary for continuing to fart out of their pieholes as if anyone still wanted to hear what they had to say. Even the WaPo concluded that Hillary was still less popular than Donald “because no one would let the 2016 election die.”

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  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What about the children? Won’t someone please think of the children?

    Remember how the Wrecking of Europe was shifted into high gear with just one photo of a dead kid on a beach.

    This is what happens when you allow your nation’s policy to be determined by ditsy-brained movie stars, overweight housewives, intersectional internet bloggers, tens of millions of third-world immigrants already in residence, and the cynical politicians who pander to them.

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    This is what happens when you allow your nation’s policy to be determined by ditsy-brained movie stars, overweight housewives, intersectional internet bloggers, tens of millions of third-world immigrants already in residence, and the cynical politicians who pander to them.
     
    Exactly.

    The joint might have simply become unrecoverable with the 19th ammendment. (Though in fairness to the housewives they vote far more sensibly--far closer to the interests of their children--than single women, divorcees, single moms, cat ladies.)

    But the question is what the hell is wrong with the men? Or "men". They are the ones who are supposed to be both rational--be able to draw some lines between immigration policy and their nation's future trajectory--and have a little testosterone to back it up. We all know why Jeb Jr. is saying this shite. Why is John Kasich such a pansy? How did such a "man" rise to any position of leadership?
    , @Fun
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  5. Nico says:

    NB: I just noticed this was actually penned by Jeb Bush Jr., the failed candidate’s son, not the Smartest Bush himself. Unfortunately the NY Times did not do a terrific job spelling out this information.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks, I hadn't noticed that this op-ed with Kasich comes from ¡Jeb Jr.! rather than from ¡Jeb!
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  6. Anonym says:

    In November 1999, when Elián was 6, he left Cuba in a small boat with his mother, who was seeking a better life in Florida.

    When a criminal takes someone’s car, they are seeking a better car. When a drug dealer sells some drugs, they are also seeking a better life.

    Cuba has a world class climate. Why not build a better life in Cuba? Build a house, pick up the litter around it, put it in the trash, organize with others in the community to make it better. Make your own house better, and whatever livelihood you are involved in, improve it. That’s what white people do.

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    Why not build a better life in Cuba?
     
    I've lived in southern Florida, and Cubans are famous for lecturing one and all about how America is a $hithole, and Cuba knows how to do it right.

    The local example on iSteve is Nick Diaz.

    Immigration today is pretty much acquiring more living space for your peeps; just another take on lebensraum.
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  7. @Nico
    NB: I just noticed this was actually penned by Jeb Bush Jr., the failed candidate’s son, not the Smartest Bush himself. Unfortunately the NY Times did not do a terrific job spelling out this information.

    Thanks, I hadn’t noticed that this op-ed with Kasich comes from ¡Jeb Jr.! rather than from ¡Jeb!

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    No prob. We weren’t the only ones: the rather pathetic NY Slimes comments section is littered with evidence of the same error many times over.
    , @Desiderius
    Better watch it Steve, Jr. has some of that mestizo magic running through his veins. It's like real-world midicloridans.

    ¡Diversity is strength!
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  8. Bubba says:

    Kasich is as bad as Hillary – both just go away! And ¡Jeb Jr.! is worse in the IQ department than his father if he thinks hanging around Kasich will help him politically.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Neither Bush has notable intellectual deficits. Jeb Jr. isn't involved in electoral politics, his brother is. The problem Kasich and Bush Jr. present hasn't anything to do with intellectual deficits but with fashion and status-signalling among professional-managerial types (and that includes their disdain for ordinary wage-earners from non-exotic backgrounds).

    (The Bush scion with the problem upstairs is his sister Noelle, who is debilitated by two or three other problems as well).
    , @Nico
    I have never understood where the mantrum about Jeb Bush as “the smart one” in the family came from. I’ve always thought he was by far the dumbest, at least of his generation.
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  9. Nico says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Thanks, I hadn't noticed that this op-ed with Kasich comes from ¡Jeb Jr.! rather than from ¡Jeb!

    No prob. We weren’t the only ones: the rather pathetic NY Slimes comments section is littered with evidence of the same error many times over.

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  10. unit472 says:

    As best as I can tell illegal immigration is the only instance whereby a person with no title, license or right to something can bestow it upon another and have it be recognized as a valid transfer. Under the ( illegally passed) 14th Amendment courts have ruled that the children of parents who illegally entered the US are entitled to a citizenship the parents themselves did not have. This is akin to me selling you a house I did not own or have the authority to convey and have the courts recognize the sale and transfer of title.

    With DACA we are going one step further and allowing people not even born in the US to gain US citizenship because their parents broke the law. Once again people are acquiring a valuable thing ( US citizenship) via an illegal means and having the law recognize it.

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    As best as I can tell illegal immigration is the only instance whereby a person with no title, license or right to something can bestow it upon another and have it be recognized as a valid transfer.
     
    Excellent point. There have been some proposals suggesting illegals pay a fee as a way to atone for this transfer.

    This could be viewed as a form of prescriptive easement; or a use of eminent domain: the gov't has deemed immigrants a public good that benefits us all (cough cough) thus they are justified in seizing and distributing our citizenship resource.

    , @Eagle Eye
    Whether or not the 14th Amendment was validly passed, it only confers citizenship at one point in time only, on those who "are" already born in the U.S. and living in the U.S. at the time the amendment was adopted, as another commenter here pointed out.
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  11. Moses says:

    Ugghh…cucks. They’re worse than Pelosi even.

    Thank goodness Trump shattered the Bush dynasty. It’s time to salt the earth of Bush ancestral homes, ensure they never rise to threaten Americans again.

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    • Replies: @Bugg
    Buried lede of the day; beta Jeb consummated his union with Columba. Checking on line, happened several times, even. Would have thought Old CIA Man Bush did his David Cop-a-feel act on her to keep the line going. The House of Bush looks more and more like Longshanks' castle in "Braveheart". They even let George P. Bush support Trump in 2016 to hedge their bets. Who shallst be our next viable heir?

    Sadly looks like Jeb's daughter Noelle has taken to some of the products typically sold by mamacita's cabelleros. Don't wish that on anyone. But the Bushes have earned that many times over. We can joke, but NAFTA, stupid CIA nonsense in central America and open borders have made cocaine and now opiates societal disasters.It's Poppy's real legacy.

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  12. Ed says:

    Jeb Jr was actually navigating politics, post- Trump reasonably well for a Bush. Kasich is off his rocker. If for some reason Republicans tire of Trump they won’t be turning to him.

    As some politicos are beginning to notice Trump’s rhetoric has pushed Republicans more to the right on legal immigration. Republicans that are to the left on this face dim prospects going forward.

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  13. Gunner says:

    I don’t seem to recall the Hispanic community praising Dubya or even America for this charitable act back in 2001. I mostly just recall Dems calling him an idiot election-stealer until 9/11 and then shutting up for a couple months afterward.

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    GWB went from 35% of Hispanic votes in 2000 to 40% of Hispanic votes in 2004. So he got what he paid for.
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  14. Art Deco says:
    @Bubba
    Kasich is as bad as Hillary - both just go away! And ¡Jeb Jr.! is worse in the IQ department than his father if he thinks hanging around Kasich will help him politically.

    Neither Bush has notable intellectual deficits. Jeb Jr. isn’t involved in electoral politics, his brother is. The problem Kasich and Bush Jr. present hasn’t anything to do with intellectual deficits but with fashion and status-signalling among professional-managerial types (and that includes their disdain for ordinary wage-earners from non-exotic backgrounds).

    (The Bush scion with the problem upstairs is his sister Noelle, who is debilitated by two or three other problems as well).

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  15. John Kasich and Jeb Bush Jr.: A Bad Idea on Immigration

    Yup.

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  16. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks, I hadn't noticed that this op-ed with Kasich comes from ¡Jeb Jr.! rather than from ¡Jeb!

    Better watch it Steve, Jr. has some of that mestizo magic running through his veins. It’s like real-world midicloridans.

    ¡Diversity is strength!

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  17. Bugg says:
    @Moses
    Ugghh...cucks. They're worse than Pelosi even.

    Thank goodness Trump shattered the Bush dynasty. It's time to salt the earth of Bush ancestral homes, ensure they never rise to threaten Americans again.

    Buried lede of the day; beta Jeb consummated his union with Columba. Checking on line, happened several times, even. Would have thought Old CIA Man Bush did his David Cop-a-feel act on her to keep the line going. The House of Bush looks more and more like Longshanks’ castle in “Braveheart”. They even let George P. Bush support Trump in 2016 to hedge their bets. Who shallst be our next viable heir?

    Sadly looks like Jeb’s daughter Noelle has taken to some of the products typically sold by mamacita’s cabelleros. Don’t wish that on anyone. But the Bushes have earned that many times over. We can joke, but NAFTA, stupid CIA nonsense in central America and open borders have made cocaine and now opiates societal disasters.It’s Poppy’s real legacy.

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    Would have thought Old CIA Man Bush did his David Cop-a-feel act on her to keep the line going.

    George Bush the Elder was a political appointee who was in charge of the CIA for about a year (when he was 52 years old and not siring children). His brother was in the OSS during the war. That's as close as they get to an 'old CIA man'.

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  18. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “the United States allowed hard-hit families to live and work in America.”

    But not in Junior Jebbie’s or Kasich’s neighborhood of course. Nor, for that matter, anywhere near the Killery Klinton Kastle in Chappaqua, NY. Unless it’s the leaf blower brigade.

    Either they don’t “get it” or they don’t give a hoot. Bet the latter.

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  19. 1661er says:
    @Gunner
    I don’t seem to recall the Hispanic community praising Dubya or even America for this charitable act back in 2001. I mostly just recall Dems calling him an idiot election-stealer until 9/11 and then shutting up for a couple months afterward.

    GWB went from 35% of Hispanic votes in 2000 to 40% of Hispanic votes in 2004. So he got what he paid for.

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  20. JohnnyD says:

    And this is why !Jeb! and Kasich aren’t president…

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  21. bjdubbs says:

    Wouldn’t Elian have a mother today if the US hadn’t created the moral hazard of leaving the door open? The real lesson of Elian Gonzalez is that the moral hazard of “wet foot dry foot” killed Elian’s mother.

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  22. Hubbub says:

    …the suffering of a natural disaster in one of the hemisphere’s most troubled, impoverished nations.

    Yes, by all means, import the trouble and poverty to the U.S. It not like we have enough of our own.

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  23. bomag says:
    @Anonym
    In November 1999, when Elián was 6, he left Cuba in a small boat with his mother, who was seeking a better life in Florida.

    When a criminal takes someone's car, they are seeking a better car. When a drug dealer sells some drugs, they are also seeking a better life.

    Cuba has a world class climate. Why not build a better life in Cuba? Build a house, pick up the litter around it, put it in the trash, organize with others in the community to make it better. Make your own house better, and whatever livelihood you are involved in, improve it. That's what white people do.

    Why not build a better life in Cuba?

    I’ve lived in southern Florida, and Cubans are famous for lecturing one and all about how America is a $hithole, and Cuba knows how to do it right.

    The local example on iSteve is Nick Diaz.

    Immigration today is pretty much acquiring more living space for your peeps; just another take on lebensraum.

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    I know Lebensraum is why they do it. But I am attacking Jeb/Kasich's expression "seeking a better life". Seeking an unearned better life does not make one a martyr.
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  24. bomag says:
    @unit472
    As best as I can tell illegal immigration is the only instance whereby a person with no title, license or right to something can bestow it upon another and have it be recognized as a valid transfer. Under the ( illegally passed) 14th Amendment courts have ruled that the children of parents who illegally entered the US are entitled to a citizenship the parents themselves did not have. This is akin to me selling you a house I did not own or have the authority to convey and have the courts recognize the sale and transfer of title.

    With DACA we are going one step further and allowing people not even born in the US to gain US citizenship because their parents broke the law. Once again people are acquiring a valuable thing ( US citizenship) via an illegal means and having the law recognize it.

    As best as I can tell illegal immigration is the only instance whereby a person with no title, license or right to something can bestow it upon another and have it be recognized as a valid transfer.

    Excellent point. There have been some proposals suggesting illegals pay a fee as a way to atone for this transfer.

    This could be viewed as a form of prescriptive easement; or a use of eminent domain: the gov’t has deemed immigrants a public good that benefits us all (cough cough) thus they are justified in seizing and distributing our citizenship resource.

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  25. Mr. Anon says:

    WaPo has a sob-story on El Salvadorans shielded under TPS:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration/i-consider-this-my-country-salvadorans-in-us-brace-for-tps-decision/2018/01/07/77914402-f19e-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.01ea32f48a9a

    “Salvadorans were allowed to apply after two powerful earthquakes devastated their country in 2001. Many had come to the United States illegally or overstayed their visas, in some cases long before the earthquakes. For them, the program was an opportunity to reside legally in a country they saw as an escape from poverty and violence. They have since been vetted, bought homes and raised families, including an estimated 190,000 children who were born in this country and are U.S. citizens.”

    So a lot of them didn’t even come here escaping some kind of disaster, but came here illegally for the usual reasons. And they had kids too (but of course), so it’s not like we’re just talking about 200,000 added to the country, but a much larger number who will be here forever. Doesn’t sound very “temporary” to me.

    “Oscar Cortez feels like he has an ordinary American life. He carries a Costco card. He roots for the Boston Red Sox. And five days a week, he rises before dawn, pulls on four shirts and two pairs of pants, and ventures into the frigid air to work as a plumber, a good job that pays for his Maryland townhouse and his daughters’ college fund.”

    That’s a good job that an American didn’t get. How many american citizens don’t have jobs because of illegal aliens? How many Americans were never born because the people who otherwise would have been their parents didn’t get a job that went to an illegal alien, and so they weren’t able to get married, or have that extra child, or because they died of a heroin overdose?

    Economists believe in the law of supply and demand – except when it applies to illegal aliens. They believe in the idea of opportunity cost – except when it applies to illegal aliens.

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  26. @Anonymous
    What about the children? Won't someone please think of the children?

    Remember how the Wrecking of Europe was shifted into high gear with just one photo of a dead kid on a beach.

    This is what happens when you allow your nation's policy to be determined by ditsy-brained movie stars, overweight housewives, intersectional internet bloggers, tens of millions of third-world immigrants already in residence, and the cynical politicians who pander to them.

    This is what happens when you allow your nation’s policy to be determined by ditsy-brained movie stars, overweight housewives, intersectional internet bloggers, tens of millions of third-world immigrants already in residence, and the cynical politicians who pander to them.

    Exactly.

    The joint might have simply become unrecoverable with the 19th ammendment. (Though in fairness to the housewives they vote far more sensibly–far closer to the interests of their children–than single women, divorcees, single moms, cat ladies.)

    But the question is what the hell is wrong with the men? Or “men”. They are the ones who are supposed to be both rational–be able to draw some lines between immigration policy and their nation’s future trajectory–and have a little testosterone to back it up. We all know why Jeb Jr. is saying this shite. Why is John Kasich such a pansy? How did such a “man” rise to any position of leadership?

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    How did such a “man” rise to any position of leadership?
     
    Yeah. Says a lot about the electorate in OH, dudn't it? Kasich is the cuckiest of cucks.
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  27. Mr. Anon says:

    John Kasich or a Bush. I guess it’s a toss-up as to which is more useless.

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  28. Fun says:
    @Anonymous
    What about the children? Won't someone please think of the children?

    Remember how the Wrecking of Europe was shifted into high gear with just one photo of a dead kid on a beach.

    This is what happens when you allow your nation's policy to be determined by ditsy-brained movie stars, overweight housewives, intersectional internet bloggers, tens of millions of third-world immigrants already in residence, and the cynical politicians who pander to them.

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  29. I have a Jeb! bumper sticker, but just don’t know any one low enough to deserve it on his bumper

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  30. GSR says:

    Why don’t we cut to the quick, and just import all 6 or 7 billion Earthlings here to the USA, then we won’t have to argue immigration anymore.

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  31. 3g4me says:

    Jeb Jr. is, regrettably already ensconced in the Texas Repuke establishment. He’s kept a fairly low profile for a while – I shudder to think this comment means he may be the chosen successor for someone equally vapid but less vibrant. Speaking of which, although he’s remarkably high in the melanin department, he made certain to snag himself an attractive blonde American wife (much better political optics than his parents). That demonstrates planning and forethought . . . again, dreadful omens for Texas’ political future.

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    Jeb Jr. is, regrettably already ensconced in the Texas Repuke establishment. H

    That's his brother, George P. Bush. Jeb Bush Jr lives in South Florida. He supposedly has a trio of businesses he runs in addition to board memberships. Since they're privately held and not very prominent, you can't find out much about them. One appear to be a real estate agency. (I think he's in commercial real estate). Another appears to be an influence peddling enterprise. The third appears to be a shell-company to make investments.
    , @Flip
    I wonder how many generations it takes to breed out the Indian/mestizo appearance. Boris Johnson in the UK had a Turkish great grandfather but he is quite northern European looking.
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  32. J.Ross says: • Website

    Let’s allow in one illegal for every Bush, Pritzker, Clinton, Koch, Sackler, Vanderbilt, Zakaria, et cetera we publicly immolate. Dreamers will get their chance, the borders will be secure, the people will be happy, the GDP will churn, and the society will be objectively better off.

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  33. Eagle Eye says:
    @unit472
    As best as I can tell illegal immigration is the only instance whereby a person with no title, license or right to something can bestow it upon another and have it be recognized as a valid transfer. Under the ( illegally passed) 14th Amendment courts have ruled that the children of parents who illegally entered the US are entitled to a citizenship the parents themselves did not have. This is akin to me selling you a house I did not own or have the authority to convey and have the courts recognize the sale and transfer of title.

    With DACA we are going one step further and allowing people not even born in the US to gain US citizenship because their parents broke the law. Once again people are acquiring a valuable thing ( US citizenship) via an illegal means and having the law recognize it.

    Whether or not the 14th Amendment was validly passed, it only confers citizenship at one point in time only, on those who “are” already born in the U.S. and living in the U.S. at the time the amendment was adopted, as another commenter here pointed out.

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  35. Art Deco says:
    @3g4me
    Jeb Jr. is, regrettably already ensconced in the Texas Repuke establishment. He's kept a fairly low profile for a while - I shudder to think this comment means he may be the chosen successor for someone equally vapid but less vibrant. Speaking of which, although he's remarkably high in the melanin department, he made certain to snag himself an attractive blonde American wife (much better political optics than his parents). That demonstrates planning and forethought . . . again, dreadful omens for Texas' political future.

    Jeb Jr. is, regrettably already ensconced in the Texas Repuke establishment. H

    That’s his brother, George P. Bush. Jeb Bush Jr lives in South Florida. He supposedly has a trio of businesses he runs in addition to board memberships. Since they’re privately held and not very prominent, you can’t find out much about them. One appear to be a real estate agency. (I think he’s in commercial real estate). Another appears to be an influence peddling enterprise. The third appears to be a shell-company to make investments.

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  36. Art Deco says:
    @Bugg
    Buried lede of the day; beta Jeb consummated his union with Columba. Checking on line, happened several times, even. Would have thought Old CIA Man Bush did his David Cop-a-feel act on her to keep the line going. The House of Bush looks more and more like Longshanks' castle in "Braveheart". They even let George P. Bush support Trump in 2016 to hedge their bets. Who shallst be our next viable heir?

    Sadly looks like Jeb's daughter Noelle has taken to some of the products typically sold by mamacita's cabelleros. Don't wish that on anyone. But the Bushes have earned that many times over. We can joke, but NAFTA, stupid CIA nonsense in central America and open borders have made cocaine and now opiates societal disasters.It's Poppy's real legacy.

    Would have thought Old CIA Man Bush did his David Cop-a-feel act on her to keep the line going.

    George Bush the Elder was a political appointee who was in charge of the CIA for about a year (when he was 52 years old and not siring children). His brother was in the OSS during the war. That’s as close as they get to an ‘old CIA man’.

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  37. 3g4me says:

    @35 Art Deco: “That’s his brother, George P. Bush.”

    You are correct; my error.

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  38. “in America, we are deeply troubled by the harm that is about to be done to hundreds of thousands of families that have legally called America home for more than two decades.”

    What does not trouble us in America, however, is the extent to which out politicians openly lie their asses off and expect us to ignore. These Salvadorans have lived here “legally” for “over two decades” thanks to a status they were granted 17 years ago? More like they were here illegally 17 years ago when they were granted “temporary” status.

    The American people were told we would let them stay *temporarily*. Now we’re being told that temporary was always a lie. Gee, I can’t imagine why I wouldn’t want to trust these polticians about anything else they say…

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  39. Anonym says:
    @bomag

    Why not build a better life in Cuba?
     
    I've lived in southern Florida, and Cubans are famous for lecturing one and all about how America is a $hithole, and Cuba knows how to do it right.

    The local example on iSteve is Nick Diaz.

    Immigration today is pretty much acquiring more living space for your peeps; just another take on lebensraum.

    I know Lebensraum is why they do it. But I am attacking Jeb/Kasich’s expression “seeking a better life”. Seeking an unearned better life does not make one a martyr.

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  40. Flip says:
    @3g4me
    Jeb Jr. is, regrettably already ensconced in the Texas Repuke establishment. He's kept a fairly low profile for a while - I shudder to think this comment means he may be the chosen successor for someone equally vapid but less vibrant. Speaking of which, although he's remarkably high in the melanin department, he made certain to snag himself an attractive blonde American wife (much better political optics than his parents). That demonstrates planning and forethought . . . again, dreadful omens for Texas' political future.

    I wonder how many generations it takes to breed out the Indian/mestizo appearance. Boris Johnson in the UK had a Turkish great grandfather but he is quite northern European looking.

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    @40 Flip: "I wonder how many generations it takes to breed out the Indian/mestizo appearance."

    From personal observation (i.e. anecdotal/nonstatistical) it's the luck of the DNA draw. One of my husband's best friends from high school is a quarter Ainu. He's about 6'1," 240 lbs (long-time weight lifter), has blue eyes and a cleft chin. From the one photo I recall seeing of his brother, in contrast, he looked part-Asian.

    Consider Rashida Jones (Jewish mother and 34% White/66% Negro father) who looks far more White than her sister Kidada (although varies depending on the pictures I've seen). While you get half your genes from each parent, you do not get precisely even amounts from each grandparent or all other ancestors of whatever generation. It is theoretically possible to get all or none of the genes related to skin pigment, or eye or nose shape, from one ancestor to the exclusion of all others.
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  41. Just annex El Salvador since the locals can’t run it, or just appoint an imperial governor to run the dump.

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  42. 3g4me says:
    @Flip
    I wonder how many generations it takes to breed out the Indian/mestizo appearance. Boris Johnson in the UK had a Turkish great grandfather but he is quite northern European looking.

    @40 Flip: “I wonder how many generations it takes to breed out the Indian/mestizo appearance.”

    From personal observation (i.e. anecdotal/nonstatistical) it’s the luck of the DNA draw. One of my husband’s best friends from high school is a quarter Ainu. He’s about 6’1,” 240 lbs (long-time weight lifter), has blue eyes and a cleft chin. From the one photo I recall seeing of his brother, in contrast, he looked part-Asian.

    Consider Rashida Jones (Jewish mother and 34% White/66% Negro father) who looks far more White than her sister Kidada (although varies depending on the pictures I’ve seen). While you get half your genes from each parent, you do not get precisely even amounts from each grandparent or all other ancestors of whatever generation. It is theoretically possible to get all or none of the genes related to skin pigment, or eye or nose shape, from one ancestor to the exclusion of all others.

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  43. The Jeb Guacamole Bowl is down to $15 on Amazon. The comments are great.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014MG861M

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  44. Moses says:
    @AnotherDad

    This is what happens when you allow your nation’s policy to be determined by ditsy-brained movie stars, overweight housewives, intersectional internet bloggers, tens of millions of third-world immigrants already in residence, and the cynical politicians who pander to them.
     
    Exactly.

    The joint might have simply become unrecoverable with the 19th ammendment. (Though in fairness to the housewives they vote far more sensibly--far closer to the interests of their children--than single women, divorcees, single moms, cat ladies.)

    But the question is what the hell is wrong with the men? Or "men". They are the ones who are supposed to be both rational--be able to draw some lines between immigration policy and their nation's future trajectory--and have a little testosterone to back it up. We all know why Jeb Jr. is saying this shite. Why is John Kasich such a pansy? How did such a "man" rise to any position of leadership?

    How did such a “man” rise to any position of leadership?

    Yeah. Says a lot about the electorate in OH, dudn’t it? Kasich is the cuckiest of cucks.

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  45. Jeb Jr.’s mother, of course, is an immigrant herself. One wonders what ¡Jeb! saw in her. One would think the son of a congressman, UN ambassador, and RNC Chairman could do better.

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    She *was* fairly pretty as a young woman. I think part of it was Jeb had fallen into a world that was “his own,” apart from the prim and proper confines of family and boarding school where the main outlets for individual expression (booze, weed and hookers) were rather effervescent.
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  46. Nico says:
    @Bubba
    Kasich is as bad as Hillary - both just go away! And ¡Jeb Jr.! is worse in the IQ department than his father if he thinks hanging around Kasich will help him politically.

    I have never understood where the mantrum about Jeb Bush as “the smart one” in the family came from. I’ve always thought he was by far the dumbest, at least of his generation.

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  47. Nico says:
    @ScarletNumber
    Jeb Jr.'s mother, of course, is an immigrant herself. One wonders what ¡Jeb! saw in her. One would think the son of a congressman, UN ambassador, and RNC Chairman could do better.

    She *was* fairly pretty as a young woman. I think part of it was Jeb had fallen into a world that was “his own,” apart from the prim and proper confines of family and boarding school where the main outlets for individual expression (booze, weed and hookers) were rather effervescent.

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