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Jeb Bush Sounds Sympathetic Note for Immigrants
By NICK CORASANITI JAN. 23, 2015SAN FRANCISCO — In a sweeping speech that leaned heavily on economic policy, former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida on Friday described immigrants as the “engine of economic vitality” before calling for a more welcoming immigration policy that could put him at odds with some in the more conservative wing of his party.
“We need to find a path to legalized status for those who have come here and have languished in the shadows,” Mr. Bush said. While not specifically calling for a path to legalization for unauthorized immigrants, Mr. Bush’s statement will probably be a topic of conversation this weekend in Iowa, as many other Republicans attend the Iowa Freedom Summit hosted by Representative Steve King, who maintains a hard-line policy against illegal immigration.
Speaking at the National Automobile Dealers Association convention and exposition, Mr. Bush seemed at times to be responding to President Obama’s State of the Union address, during which the president pushed for government benefits like more generous tax credits for the middle class.
… Staging Mr. Bush’s first public speech during this exploratory phase at an auto dealership convention aligns with his current plans. Since his announcement, Mr. Bush has been traveling across the country, wooing potential donors as he contemplates a campaign.
The audience for his paid speech here at the conference, chock-full of car dealership owners, is a solid fund-raising base that leans heavily Republican.
Car dealers notoriously exploit Hispanic and black customers via high prices and complex loan terms. So Jeb Bush made his first speech of his presidential campaign in front of an appreciative paying audience of auto dealers who liked his call for more fresh meat for their salesmen to rip off.
Jeb is the failure underachiever of the Bush family as he will never become POTUS like his older brother and father because Hillary Rodham would whoop his candy ass on the national scene. The reason for this is because Hillary has way more admirers on the Left than Jeb Bush has admirers in the Right.
Very few Liberals would sit out a presidential election if Hillary Rodham on the the Democratic ticket. But millions of Conservatives would sit out a presidential election if Jeb is on the Republican ticket.
Even Liberals who are not huge fans of Hillary Rodham would still see her as the lesser of 2 evils when compared to Jeb Bush and would still come out to vote for her rather than stay home.
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Yes! Now you have uncovered the core; you have pulled back the cover plates of the engine that is the american economy and have gazed upon the pumping pistons therein.
Growth. Income. Profits. Sales. GDP. It all hinges on mass immigration.
This is what separates the USA from Japan and to some degree from western Europe. Yes, japan and W. Euro have lower growth in comparison to the USA. But why?
Because we have more immigration, basically. That is the major factor.
That is the crucial aspect of the american economy –immigration.
Livestock. That is what the american business lobby seeks. More cattle.
That is what America is–a human livestock operation upon which american business feeds.
And mass immigration is the key to it all.
Get them Mexican immigrants with pointy boots and cowboy hats into those new car parking lots! Pull them off of the cattle ranches of mexico and get them into the malls! Pronto! Andale!
They must build those new stucco homes for less money, and they must buy those shiny new cars for more money.
Mo money mo money mo money!
More chalupa cafes in the barrios! Arribe!
Growth Uber Alles!
This is the war we must fight to save our culture and nation. The battle against mass immigration.
And by the way, we just lost another battle in this war. A federal judge, David Campbell, just forced Arizona to give illegals drivers licenses. Oh, not just illegals, but illegals who have been granted deferred action from deportation. Now they can can get licenses, too! Aint that wunnerful?
America the Beautiful! So inclusive! So expansive!
Aint America great?
Campbell, a Utah mormon, was a clerk for Rehnquist. And who appointed this wonderful conservative, this Campbell, to the bench? Why, good old Dubya. George Bush.
Yeah, that’s the GOP for ya. That’s conservatives for ya. So conseerrrrvative. Yeah.
But I am really quite sure that none of the bundle of 2016 GOP presidential candidates would ever appoint such a judge to the bench. There is no way that Romney, Rubio, Walker, Rand, Huckabee, Perry, Christie, Cruz, et al., would betray us in such fashion. Right? The next conservative president is just riiiight around the corner. Aint America wunnerful?
Some people say the GOP are the new Whigs, but that’s an insult to the Whig Party. The Whig Party had policies that voters rejected and faded away into the morass of other Socialist Movements. They didn’t give the finger to voters like the Bushies and Boners are doing.
I wonder what these clueless idiots plan to do after their party burns down? Do they plan to join the rats on the other sinking ship?
Don't underestimate the Bushes. They're not clueless. They're evil. They have no intention of letting their party burn down. They're burning down everyone else's party while they steal the food.
Dubya Bush did at least have the excuse of being relatively clueless, but the rest of the Bushes are a plague. America will never be safe -- even as safe as it can be, this late -- as long as there are Bushes within its borders or near the levers of power.
I would call them "vermin," but I don't want to slander vermin.
You would have thought that after foisting two tools like Romney and McCain that they would have figured out that no one likes these sorts of creatures from K Street. And now another Bush? This guy has dullard and special interest tool written all over him. Whose policies are a toxic mix of open borders, Common Core(total Federal control of the schools and children), and just more of the same kleptocratic s**t, he is radioactive to all but the brain dead GOP faithful - which there isn't enough of to stop Hillary from winning by a landslide.
The permanent political class doesn't get that people don't like being screwed over by the people they elected. They gave the GOP both Houses and they repaid that support by supporting Obama and whatever else the politicalclass wanted. Expect in 2016 that a lot of Conservatives are going to stay home.
It’s going to be a hilariously pathetic campaign if Jeb Bush is somehow the nominee. There would literally be no reason for any Steve Sailer reader to even vote on Election Day. Hillary must be pretty happy right now.
And before anyone says “Judges” bear in mind that GOP judges have mostly been the ones handing gay marriage one victory after another, and the beloved John Roberts who GOP activists worked their asses off to get confirmed upheld Obamacare. So even that issue no longer really holds water.
The electoral process is becoming obsolete for delivering a just society.
Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils, we will need to begin the process of overhauling the structure that is causing us to lose our culture. And it begins with dramatically lessening the power of judges. Because without doing so, there is no reason to vote.
This reminds of HST’s discussion of a nation of 220 million used car salesmen after Nixon’s re-election in Fear and loathing on the campaign trail. I’m gonna make the same talking points after Bush junior junior is elected. Actually, it would be a tribute to their Saudi brethren …
Clinton’s husband was on Lolita airlines as a pedo frequent flyer , along with the PM Barak and Dershowitz. The former child trafficked witnesses will call him to testify.
Car dealers, along with local homebuilders are the backbone of your Chamber of Commerce. Now throw in corporate farmers and fast-food franchise owners and you have your Republican wing of the Elect a New People Party. Make your purchases wisely.
1. Jeb’s wife and all three of his children have had run ins with the law and one is a hard core junkie forging prescriptions for OxyContin.
I’ll likely be voting for Rand Paul. Whoever it is will likely lose to HRC but might as well have paleos and libertarians take over the party for a couple years, maybe it will stick.
2. High interest loans for sure, but I don’t think auto dealers use complex loan terms. There was a blogger on thetruthaboutcars who bought and fixed crapmobiles from auctions and sold them to poor people in the south. He did them 50% down with weekly payments. A nice peek into an alien world. He carried the loans himself.
3. Another open boarder industry is consumer non durables like your old client P&G. Hispanics buy 40% of diapers now and they want more of them. The mostly Midwestern execs are scrambling to figure out how to appeal to Hispanics that they little about.
Want to do something about amnesty? Take my list of the 27 house republicans who voted against amnesty repeal and figure out who in their district, especially members of the state legislature and mayors, might run against them in a primary. DailyKos is really good about this sort of crowd sourced research on the left and has collected a good number of scalps of disloyal house Dems, and scared plenty more.
The big open question right now is whether House Republicans use their gov shutdown leverage to try to stop the executive amnesties.
I think a shutdown it is a winner either way. Even if Obama refuses and the GOP gives in after a few weeks, it keeps the issue in the news and will force all the 2016 candidates to take a position.
Jeb’s career as a “”south Florida businessman” isn’t really of the caliber of a presidential candidate. All five of the Bush sons had the same problem, a prominent family name but no money. Jeb Bush’s first business foray was investing in a commercial building at the top of the 1980′s boom; that deal went bust, and the Federal prosecutor who investigated the shady deal said that Bush was either crooked or stupid, and probably stupid. This pattern would repeat throughout his career.
According to Wikipedia, in the 90s Jeb was “working for a mobile phone company, serving on the board of a Norwegian-owned company that sold fire equipment to the Alaska oil pipeline, becoming a minority owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars, buying a shoe company that sold footwear in Panama, and getting involved in a project selling water pumps in Nigeria.” What all of these ventures appear to have in common (other than the Jaguars) is that they all involve Bush doing business with shady foreigners. None of these ventures appear to have worked out terribly well, nor does it appear that Bush invested much of his time or money or effort.
Once he left office in 2007, the “south Florida businessman” had a net worth of just $1.3M. In the last few years he has been raising money for a shale oil/natural gas transport business. Once again, he gets involved in an industry he doesn’t understand at the top of the boom and then gets wiped out.
Looking back on Jeb’s career as fixer/macher/Luftmensch/south Florida businessman, it looks like he has a weakness for get-rich-quick schemes and buying at the top of the bubble, and no real patience for actually building a business that provides goods or services people are willing to pay for.
"Jeb’s career as a “”south Florida businessman” isn’t really of the caliber of a presidential candidate."
And Barack's career as a community organizer/asbestos remover/lecturer/absentee state senator was?
I swear, if the choice in 2016 ends up being between Bush and Clinton, it will be the ultimate Deep State triumph. It would be like they’ve given up on all pretense and slapped the American public in the face and sneered “These are your choices. Deal with it.”
In other words…the economic health of the US requires rapidly reducing The Historic Native Born White American Majority to a racial minority in post-white US….this is what Jeb Bush is basically saying.
Everyone here should understand that the immigration moratorioum is an economic case for race-replacing Whitey….when labor becomes scarce and the real wage rises, crank up number of Asian Legal Immigrants again. It is shocking to me that some people still push the immigration moratorium.
Post-1965 immigration policy at the most fundamental is driven by the Mega-CEO fear of very severe labor scarcities=very high real wage….google Alan Greenspan’s testimony before Congress 10-12 years ago.
I wonder what these clueless idiots plan to do after their party burns down? Do they plan to join the rats on the other sinking ship?
The Whigs were split over slavery, not socialism. Marxism was barely heard of in the USA in the nineteenth century. Unless you mean the British Whigs?
They always mention the shadows as if it is horrible that someone may have to break the law in private. This argument can be used for any illegal activity. You could say let’s bring crack dealers or bestiality practicers out of the shadows. Just make sure to put Jeb Bush back in the shadows.
I wonder what these clueless idiots plan to do after their party burns down? Do they plan to join the rats on the other sinking ship?
“I wonder what these clueless idiots plan to do after their party burns down?”
Don’t underestimate the Bushes. They’re not clueless. They’re evil. They have no intention of letting their party burn down. They’re burning down everyone else’s party while they steal the food.
Dubya Bush did at least have the excuse of being relatively clueless, but the rest of the Bushes are a plague. America will never be safe — even as safe as it can be, this late — as long as there are Bushes within its borders or near the levers of power.
I would call them “vermin,” but I don’t want to slander vermin.
Auto dealers owe their existence to government awarded monopolies. Which are passed from generation to generation. The whole dealer as middle man concept is obsolete and a nuisance to consumers, manufactures, and tax collectors, which is why Bush is their man.
You need to look up the term 'monopoly' to understand proper usage.
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After the 2012 election, the GOP said they were going to wipe out the Tea Party and they did a pretty solid job of it. In 2014 the Tea Party groups largely fell in lie of just fell away. It is reasonable to assume that they will be gone completely by 2016 so putting Bush on the throne will be safe.
It is pretty clear at this point that the entire ruling elite is singularly focused on flooding the country with peasants. Everything they are doing is geared toward it. Both parties are even sacrificing pet projects and pet constituencies for it. My guess is Obama will continue to expand his “executive amnesty” for the remainder of his term. Jeb Bush will then codify it into law so they never have to go through this again. Amnesty will be automatic.
If you think that sounds far fetched, just look at what states have been doing. In Mass, for example, they tied the gas tax to the CPI. That way, it goes up automatically every year without needing a vote. They have transferred the power of the purse to the spreadsheet warriors of the BLS. That model is being replicated all over the country. Doing it for immigration is an obvious way to get around the problems of citizens voting.
Message to RINOs: In 2016 election JEB = DOA
“engine of economic vitality” ?? Bush is curiously overlooking their massive plunder of the welfare system, costs of education, enormous costs of law enforcement, costs of the courts / legal system, and the costs to those victimized by them.
But then, why stay in their country of origin when US taxpayers are forced to give them a free ride?
As a resident of Los Angeles I can state with some knowledge that immigrants do not bring “vitality” to the economy, quite the opposite. Certainly the Democrats and apparently some less than honest Republicans are simply buying votes at the expense of those that pay taxes. The will of the people is being ignored.
What about Violeta? What about Ruben?
And before anyone says "Judges" bear in mind that GOP judges have mostly been the ones handing gay marriage one victory after another, and the beloved John Roberts who GOP activists worked their asses off to get confirmed upheld Obamacare. So even that issue no longer really holds water.
What Bert said, and add this:
Representative Steve King, who maintains a hard-line policy against illegal immigration.
So the best we can do is just be against illegal immigration. We can’t even think about limiting legal immigration.
Bush tells cheering crowd, “Sell your birthright for a mess of pottage!”
Jeb’s speech was to the auto dealers was in San Francisco!!!!
Will Jeb even set foot in Iowa? I seriously doubt Jeb will be able to any retail politics. I can’t imagine him going into a diner in Waterloo, Dubuque, Ames, Cedar Rapids…. and not be confronted by the a hostile Tea Party over Common Core, Open Borders, NCLB, Gay Marriage….
Jeb is not going to risk face planting over a viral video of a Joe Sixpack sincerely suggesting that he attempt the anatomically impossible.
But don’t count Jeb out. He believes in 2016 there are only 3 primaries that matter, Two he has likely already won.
Jeb is by far the likely winner of the most important primary state for Republicans, well at least for the donors, NeoCons, the Establishment, and the Rapture Right, That being Israel..
The second being the Invisible Primary, the Cultural Marxist Media will have Jeb’s back all the way right up until nomination acceptance night at the convention.
The third primary is Florida where the Bush family will put out all the stops and call in all their markers.
And if Jeb should face plant, the Establish Republicans have two or three stand in candidates waiting in the wings. Namely loyal Bushies Indiana Governor Mike Pence and Ohio Governor John Kasich.
Mike Pence has already made a ten day pilgrimage to Israel to receive Bibi blessing in case Jeb fails.
The only reasons I’m glad Jeb Bush is running is so that he can get thoroughly spanked, and so that he can suck up money from some other open borders, establishment candidate, like Romney.
How full of bullshit was Mitt Romney? Both his veep and his chief-of-staff, Paul Ryan and Mike Leavitt, weren’t just for open borders, but fanatically for open borders. No Republican state is friendlier to illegal immigrants than Utah, and that’s mostly thanks to Mike Leavitt.
Just last year, Mitt Romney went to Utah and endorsed a measure that was being pushed by Utah’s RINO establishment to force the state’s Republican Party to have open primaries in which Democrats could vote. Why? So that establishment RINOs like Sen. Bob Bennett and Rep. Chris Cannon never lose again. It was one giant middle finger to the conservatives who supported him.
I swear some of the commentators on here are not dealing with reality in terms of immigration.
Your conservatism when it comes to race and your discomfort with capitalism is always a weird mix to watch. As an auto lender in your neighborhood I can affirm that Hispanics and particularly blacks tend to pay more for auto finance. The reason is their dismal credit on average and their history of getting repossessed.
And no, car dealers in reality NEVER lend to consumers. Car dealers do not have the the right personality to have a thousand dollars in their pocket and not spend it. They don’t even buy the cars they sell – they are all on credit from the auction house. Buying at auction has worse prices and very frequent major mechanical problems attached: you get better prices and know what you are getting with a Craigslist transaction.
The solution to the problem of your belief that blacks and Hispanics get discriminated against by lenders is simple: lend your own money at what you consider fair terms. Once you have lost all your money you might finally have a real world lesson that differences in race exist.
That NAMs have bad credit and that they are exploited, and that dealers are wary of NAM buyers and that they exploit them-- these things are not incompatible.
‘Would you buy a secondhand car off this man?”
Less pedantically, what’s so great about businessmen? These ‘free market’ goons like Jeb are dumping poor immigrants into our country, doing all the awful things Steve has delineated, so they can use their cheap labor and make money off them.
I never got the Dissident Right’s love of the free market. Businessmen import immigrants, encourage globalization, ship jobs overseas, and destroy traditional communities.
Car dealers are not exploiting black customers in their pricing. Black customers have on average a different set of consumer preferences which includes getting more psychic income from display goods. (Not sure about the loan terms. I’m assuming you’re referring to terms which purport to offer easier terms than a plain-vanilla consumer loan but then injure people with esoteric provisions, no?).
In eastern urban areas (Chicago, Philly, take your pick), for example, blacks faced housing discrimination. They put what income they had into easier purchases.
In today's economy, they may face different incentives and disincentives for housing and consumer durable goods purchases, along with new information asymmetries.
former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida on Friday described immigrants as the “engine of economic vitality”
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I seem to recall George Borjas was able to place an article in Journal of Regional Science ca. 1995 in which he calculated the aggregate benefit to the extant population of immigration streams such as they were over the range of his dataset amounted to 0.1% of gross domestic product per annum, was sensitive to the provisions of public benefit programs, and was skewed in its distribution to the affluent (recalling Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood here). Mightn’t someone send a copy to Gov. Bush (or is all this blather about economic benefit just an excuse)?
Understand that these people don't remotely care that they're wrong. You could point out the fallacies in Jeb Bush's policies directly to his face - he'd still be back tomorrow telling the same old lies.
As I said to the other guy, why don't you? And tell us what he says.
I think you know the answer. He doesn't care about the facts, his mind is already made up.
Both political parties are hopeless, run by, for, and about fat cats.
Does this mean that we will have a lot more cars that bounce up and down, called low riders?
I don’t believe Jeb Bush can convince Republican primary voters to go for his profoundly uninspiring, I’m-a-liberal-who-loves-rich-people schtick. It makes Romney’s campaign seem masterful, by comparison.
I don’t believe Jeb Bush can convince Republican primary voters to go for his profoundly uninspiring, I’m-a-liberal-who-loves-rich-people schtick.
I respond:
You are correct. He won't be able to convince enough of them. The bad news is that he doesn't need to. Look at how John McCain wound up winning the nomination in 2008, winning most of the early primary and caucus states with puny pluralities but getting all the delegates because of winner take all. Eventually in doing so he reached a critical mass where opposing him became futile, and everyone else gave up. The reason he could win all these early states with puny pluralities is that the anti-RINO vote was divided up between a bunch of quixotic carnival barkers and resume padders and sideshow bobs.
And before anyone says "Judges" bear in mind that GOP judges have mostly been the ones handing gay marriage one victory after another, and the beloved John Roberts who GOP activists worked their asses off to get confirmed upheld Obamacare. So even that issue no longer really holds water.
If Hillary doesn’t run, the GOP probably wins no matter who the nominee is. (Palin excepted)
The electoral process is becoming obsolete for delivering a just society.
And before anyone says "Judges" bear in mind that GOP judges have mostly been the ones handing gay marriage one victory after another, and the beloved John Roberts who GOP activists worked their asses off to get confirmed upheld Obamacare. So even that issue no longer really holds water.
She won’t be after she wins…..no matter how much fresh meat can be imported by TEAM STUPID as new market and TEAM EVIL as new electorate! I dearly hope Rand Paul is helping the opposition research teams scrounge up a new “Aqua Buddha” scandal!
From camp to stamp(or champ).
How did homos go from masters of irony to iron-fisted scolds priggishly telling us what does or doesn’t have their stamp of approval?
NYT: calling for a more welcoming immigration policy
More welcoming than what? We handed out 3.08 million green cards in 2011-2013 alone.
http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/ois_lpr_fr_2013.pdf
At any rate, it’s not very “welcoming” to just let every rando in while subjecting them to lengthy bureaucratic runarounds, no encouragement to assimilate, and no chance at citizenship, while leaving them to the likes of Jorge Ramos to constantly stoke resentment and grievance.
Seems like a smarter way to be “welcoming” would be to pick the very best young immigrants each country has to offer up to about 100K per year, not 1 million, and help them get a good start here.
Steve is persona non grata in the mainstream media because of his race/IQ stuff but it occurs to me that this piece, with some edits and additions, could easily appear in Slate…even though it’s kinda, sorta the same issue.
No one in favor of amnesty will gain the nomination. If it happens a lot of conservative s will sit out ’16.
I am dismayed by the house leadership’s capitulation to Obama on his exec. Action on immigration. If they blow off the desires of their base that is very bad news for the party. Hopefully the tea parties will rise up and fix this RINO nightmare.
“It’s going to be a hilariously pathetic campaign if Jeb Bush is somehow the nominee.”
The campaign will be hilariously pathetic no matter who the nominee is, so let’s all just sit back & enjoy the inevitable.
If a candidate said that we should deal with our labor market needs by increasing the birth rate, he’d be tarred as a fascist, and unpersoned.
I wonder what these clueless idiots plan to do after their party burns down? Do they plan to join the rats on the other sinking ship?
No, they think their voters are so damn stupid that they’ll happily support what ever tone deaf oligarch they throw at them.
You would have thought that after foisting two tools like Romney and McCain that they would have figured out that no one likes these sorts of creatures from K Street. And now another Bush? This guy has dullard and special interest tool written all over him. Whose policies are a toxic mix of open borders, Common Core(total Federal control of the schools and children), and just more of the same kleptocratic s**t, he is radioactive to all but the brain dead GOP faithful – which there isn’t enough of to stop Hillary from winning by a landslide.
The permanent political class doesn’t get that people don’t like being screwed over by the people they elected. They gave the GOP both Houses and they repaid that support by supporting Obama and whatever else the politicalclass wanted. Expect in 2016 that a lot of Conservatives are going to stay home.
Your problem is not some shadowy 'them'. It's Republican voters, who do not do what you want them to do. Candidates to your liking do not run, voters largely ignore them when they do, and combox cranks despise the ones who do manage to mount vigorous challenges to business-oriented Republicans (Sen. Santorum, Gov. Huckabee).
Not up to speed on internal GOP politics but reports from Twitter from this Iowa GOP gathering don’t seem promising for Jeb.
Every time his name is mentioned by a speaker a chorus of boos rings out.
I wonder what these clueless idiots plan to do after their party burns down? Do they plan to join the rats on the other sinking ship?
Politicians from any party will do anything to get money from the rich. Democracy doesn’t work.
And before anyone says "Judges" bear in mind that GOP judges have mostly been the ones handing gay marriage one victory after another, and the beloved John Roberts who GOP activists worked their asses off to get confirmed upheld Obamacare. So even that issue no longer really holds water.
I believe moldbug said that “Republican presidents have appointed 9 of the last 5 conservative Supreme Court justices”
Did Moldbug mention that the Democratic Party controlled the United States Senate during the period in which all but 5 of the last 18 court vacancies appeared? The only one of those 5 who went rogue was the insipid Sandra Day O'Connor (touted by Barry Goldwater, of all people). That aside, the Republicans are limited in their discretion to members of the legal profession. The legal profession has its caste attitudes, and they're not on the side of justice.
Stick with the original Mencius.
The Sabrina, Jackie, and Monahan case. It would make an interesting movie.
So, how come no Conservative is writing a screenplay about it? It’s ripe stuff for satire.
PS. Sabrina’s article said Jackie’s friend remained mum cuz they were afraid of not being invited to Frat parties. It turned out to be a lie.
But it seems to be true that many Cons will no longer stand up for principle because they want to be invited to urban gentry cocktail parties. Consider how Ross Douthat begs for ‘terms of surrender’ on ‘gay marriage’. Consider how Charles Murray bent over to the homos.
It’s not fear of being disinvited by the Right that makes people give up on their principles. It’s the fear of being disinvited by the urban gentry Liberals that make people cave and sell their principles.
If you want to enter the biggest party in the biggest mansion, you need the password… like Bill Harford needed ‘fidelio’ to enter in Eyes Wide Shut.
The Password is “fruiters are great”.
What you are describing is a big problem on the right I agree, but it hardly applies to Douthat. I've found that the guys that went to Ivy League schools don't generally have a problem with it. Look at Bill Kristol. hate him as most here do the guy doesn't care what the new York times says about him or what the gentry class thinks about him. And truthfully its a mistake to see this as a "now the gentry liberals will like me" thing. It's more a "now the Ivy League leftist can't say I'm stupid" thing. That's why the East Coast conservatives with Ivy League backgrounds and the Southern conservatives who really don't care about Ivy League schools are the most forceful. It's the Ramesh Ponnuru's, Catholic University, of the world who really crave the affirmation.
Why don't you?I keep reading "gray enlightenment" (or is that "grey"?) guys bitching and moaning about why there isn't this, why there isn't that. Yes, it is ripe for ridicule. So ridicule it.If you think there's a market vacuum, fill it yourself and write the screenplay. Or better yet, novel. Screenplays get stolen all the time.
Or it could be that Jeb Bush wants more Hispanic immigrants so that his Hispanic son by his Hispanic wife, the son that recently won a statewide office in Texas, can have enough “indians” such that he is a credible “chief,” a “Hispanic leader.” George P. Bush could be both a member of the country’s most prominent political family AND a Hispanic leader at the same time! It’s just that the key ingredient is getting more Hispanics into the country so that Hispanic leaders are necessary to begin with.
Henceforth I shall write jeb bush in lower case. I wonder if it catches on. It would be a kind of shorthand caricature, sort of like Gary Trudeau’s icon for GHWB being a bodiless voice.
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Papa Bush is a very accomplished man in several different venues (combat in the military, the business world in Texas, national politics, and family life). Garretson Beekman Trudeau hit on a salable bit of entertainment in his middle 20s and has been coasting for the last 40-odd years. One of these is about fit to shine the other's shoes.
First, if immigrants are the engine of economic vitality, wouldn’t that make emigrants the opposite? And if so wouldn’t Mexico and other nations realize they were losing a fortune and getting the short hand of the stick?
Second, if they are the engine of economic vitality, wouldn’t the advanced nations of the world who compete with us tooth and nail also compete with us for immigrants? Why would the rest of the world let the USA win in this arena without so much as putting up a fight if immigrants were the key to economic vitality?
Third, if they are the engine of economic vitality, why is it the USA’s share of world GDP is decreasing at a time when the USA takes in more immigrants per year than the rest of the world COMBINED?
OT, but I am surprised this story has not received more coverage. A Muslim student is fired from the campus newspaper after he wrote a satirical column mocking political correctness and the concept of “micro-aggressions”. Worse, his dorm room is vandalized.
http://www.inquisitr.com/1684027/muslim-student-omar-mahmood-kicked-off-college-newspaper-after-writing-controversial-column/
Every time his name is mentioned by a speaker a chorus of boos rings out.
Luckily for the RINO establishment and Jeb Bush, and unluckily for the rest of us, the RINOs and Bush have a plan to deal with that: Skip Iowa, and the owners of the megaphones will tell us that that’s a good thing and an example of political courage because the Republican caucus goers of Iowa are old fashioned and out of step and guilty of *-ism and *-phobia.
If nobody runs against Hillary, and that is increasingly likely then Bush Co can count on lots of Democrats voting for Jeb in the open primary states. Totally cynical? Yes, but then the Elites who supposedly back the Republicans will be quite happy honestly if Hillary wins. After all they have gotten even richer with Obama in the White House than Dubya. To be honest there are only two candidates that scare the Elites, Jeff Sessions and Jim Webb.
You wrote:
I don’t believe Jeb Bush can convince Republican primary voters to go for his profoundly uninspiring, I’m-a-liberal-who-loves-rich-people schtick.
I respond:
You are correct. He won’t be able to convince enough of them. The bad news is that he doesn’t need to. Look at how John McCain wound up winning the nomination in 2008, winning most of the early primary and caucus states with puny pluralities but getting all the delegates because of winner take all. Eventually in doing so he reached a critical mass where opposing him became futile, and everyone else gave up. The reason he could win all these early states with puny pluralities is that the anti-RINO vote was divided up between a bunch of quixotic carnival barkers and resume padders and sideshow bobs.
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McCain actually won 45% of the primary and caucus ballots in a four candidate race. Like it or lump it, he was the plurality candidate.
Over the last four decades, the Republican nominee has been one of the following: the incumbent president, the candidate who placed during the last competitive contest, the candidate who placed during the penultimate competitive contest, and the son of the previous president. Nothing any different in 2008. You need to persuade Republican voters to be less influenced by familiar brands.
It’s the same media cant as “the stock market” (i.e. somebody owning a share of a public company is assumed to be delighted when “the market” “goes up”). Attempting to argue on their own shibboleths of “the economy” and “engines of growth” is merely buying into the hallucinatory lingo — as if we’re all subscribed to a single official national economy with levers manipulated by certain reputable wizards like Jack Lew and Janet Yellen. Desperate peasant immigrants with no assets/skills can be great for juicing Haim Saban’s economy and Terry Branstad’s economy while being completely lousy for the majority of taxpayers.
Whenever John Ellis brags about vibrant economical growthtastic job creation — just chugging along down there in Florida; as if drugs or Medicare fraud or South American money laundering weren’t part of it — recall that the state’s median age is 41
Sorry to go all OT but this might turn into Something:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/01/22/harvard-law-professors-lined-support-dershowitz-criticize-allegations-sexual-impropriety/DcpWG9OnGOGuQsh3np5WRJ/story.html
If it doesn’t, we really are dead. We really might be.
I was interested in the intersectionality of Chauntae Davis and Gayle Smith as much as the Clinton-Dershowitz connection.
The caucus has been a joke and 100% manipulated by fixers and mini-Roves since way back. Like the zoo animal that gets fed too much Iowan “stakeholders” instinctively put out their palms for grease application. RNC establishment vacations in Iowa
“Jeb’s career as a “”south Florida businessman” isn’t really of the caliber of a presidential candidate.”
And Barack’s career as a community organizer/asbestos remover/lecturer/absentee state senator was?
How full of bullshit was Mitt Romney? Both his veep and his chief-of-staff, Paul Ryan and Mike Leavitt, weren't just for open borders, but fanatically for open borders. No Republican state is friendlier to illegal immigrants than Utah, and that's mostly thanks to Mike Leavitt.
Just last year, Mitt Romney went to Utah and endorsed a measure that was being pushed by Utah's RINO establishment to force the state's Republican Party to have open primaries in which Democrats could vote. Why? So that establishment RINOs like Sen. Bob Bennett and Rep. Chris Cannon never lose again. It was one giant middle finger to the conservatives who supported him.
Mitt’s Latter Day Saints run Utah, and their missions south of the border produce a lot of new members. They have a lot of reasons for open borders.
There was a historical reason or two back in the day for relative over-consumption by blacks of nice cars (Cadillac, Buick Electra 225, etc) and consumer goods (large color TVs, back when they were called that).
In eastern urban areas (Chicago, Philly, take your pick), for example, blacks faced housing discrimination. They put what income they had into easier purchases.
In today’s economy, they may face different incentives and disincentives for housing and consumer durable goods purchases, along with new information asymmetries.
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I seem to recall George Borjas was able to place an article in Journal of Regional Science ca. 1995 in which he calculated the aggregate benefit to the extant population of immigration streams such as they were over the range of his dataset amounted to 0.1% of gross domestic product per annum, was sensitive to the provisions of public benefit programs, and was skewed in its distribution to the affluent (recalling Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood here). Mightn't someone send a copy to Gov. Bush (or is all this blather about economic benefit just an excuse)?
“Mightn’t someone send a copy to Gov. Bush (or is all this blather about economic benefit just an excuse)?”
Understand that these people don’t remotely care that they’re wrong. You could point out the fallacies in Jeb Bush’s policies directly to his face – he’d still be back tomorrow telling the same old lies.
Compare Jeb Bush’s stated intentions to his actions. He claims that his pro-immivasion stance is based on his compassion for immigrants who, as we all should know, are better than and more American in every way than Americans themselves.
Where does he make these pronouncements? He announced his campaign in a video of him standing in front of a Manhattan investment bank, and then he jets off to a convention of car dealers to elaborate a little further.
what a nightmare if we have to choose between a Bush or a Clinton AGAIN!
the USA is a fucking joke.
Exactly!!!
The only primaries Jeb needs to win outright are Israel(already won), the “Invisible Primary” aka the CMM, use to be called the MSM(already won), and Florida. Texas would be nice but not critical. The NeoCons and Rapture Right are all fired up for war with Iran, Jeb is their man.
I serious doubt if Jeb will campaign much west of the Appalachians and East of the Sierra Nevadas. Jeb will have plenty of Loyal Bushie surrogates to make sure he still finishes in the top 2-3 spots in those states.
If nobody runs against Hillary, and that is increasingly likely then Bush Co can count on lots of Democrats voting for Jeb in the open primary states.
Totally cynical? Yes, but then the Elites who supposedly back the Republicans will be quite happy honestly if Hillary wins. After all they have gotten even richer with Obama in the White House than Dubya.
To be honest there are only two candidates that scare the Elites, Jeff Sessions and Jim Webb.
Yeah, I think Pareto and Spengler and probably a dozen other guys have said as much. Hell, I have a dim recollection that it goes back to Aristotle.
The campaign will be hilariously pathetic no matter who the nominee is, so let's all just sit back & enjoy the inevitable.
If a candidate said that we should deal with our labor market needs by increasing the birth rate, he'd be tarred as a fascist, and unpersoned.
I am worried that the 2016 presidential election will just be pathetic. I’m rooting for Elizabeth Warren, an Indian Casino on the South Lawn would be abso-freakin’-lutely CRAPTACULAR! As a great man once said We Are Doomed.
What a piece of garbage he is.Another closet case?He,a rich rich American,married a destitute Mexican girl,whose life was to be one of children ,poverty and hard work,not to mention God knows what else,at the hands of those hot blooded Mexican males,cuz she,a plain thing was the first girl that talked to him.
This is a point which many people have failed to grasp – the open borders Republicans don’t favor open borders because they want more labor, but because they want more consumers.
And what those rich folks and large corporations and lobbies want is both workers and consumers. They want more people in the USA earning and spending. That means more revenues, profits, and growth and GDP. It really is a livestock operation.
Until we get to the days of make to order, the auto industry will need dealers to buy cars produced on spec.
Give him a subcontinetal ancestry, and an Italian surname, he would be mainstream. That guy committed federal crimes and serial adultery, and his message is toned down Jared Taylor.
Get how USA Today reported on Steve King’s Iowa Freedom Summit: “At least nine potential Republican presidential contenders gathered Saturday in Iowa for the first cattle call of 2016.”
Got that? “Cattle call.” Groveling before a bunch of car dealers in San Francisco? Not a cattle call. Kissing Sheldon Adelson’s ass and AIPAC’s ass in Las Vegas? Not a cattle call. But going to visit honest-to-God middle class voters in Iowa? That’s a cattle call.
Bottom line pricing! Saves you the hassle of haggling. Nice guys.
By the way, Steve, with all these cheering auto dealers in attendance for Jeb’s speech, wonder which side Malcolm Gladwell would come down regarding increased immigration?
I mean, since open borders would tend to help car salesmen increase their profits and thus appear less racist (since they’d be selling new cars to minorities) perhaps ol’ Malcolm would feel comfortable supporting Jeb Bush’s candidacy? Maybe in future stump speeches on immigration Jeb could hire Gladwell to help write his speeches?
Something to consider. After all, if Malcolm Gladwell’s behind it, it MUST be a surefire winner.
Does anyone know Gladwell’s stance on immigration?
He should’ve attended Jeb’s SF speech. Probably would’ve won him over. Thinking he could be a natural Bush supporter for just this very speech since it appears to line up with that chapter on car salesmen in his book Blink.
He's entitled to an opinion on US immigration, but not a "stance".
Doubling down.
Doubling down.
I’d vote for Democrat Jim Webb over Jeb Bush (or a preposterous dork like Ted Cruz) in a hot minute.
I suspect I’m not alone in that (among patriotic conservatives/right-wingers, that is).
Agree that Ted Cruz is just a hapless politician. Cruz comes across NeoCon loon on foreign policy especially on Israel, Iran, Ukraine and Russia and an insane booster of the H1-B.
Sorry, chum, you're alone.
Webb voted against cloture on the appallingly bad 2007 amnesty, S. 1348, which lost 34-61 and which not even a single Republican, iirc, voted for, but NumbersUSA gave Webb a grade of D+ for his overall votes on immigration. Pretty sure he's still a liberal.
Virginia is politically balanced enough that Webb could have won running on either party's ticket, but he chose to run as a Democrat rather than a populist Republican.
And no, car dealers in reality NEVER lend to consumers. Car dealers do not have the the right personality to have a thousand dollars in their pocket and not spend it. They don't even buy the cars they sell - they are all on credit from the auction house. Buying at auction has worse prices and very frequent major mechanical problems attached: you get better prices and know what you are getting with a Craigslist transaction.
The solution to the problem of your belief that blacks and Hispanics get discriminated against by lenders is simple: lend your own money at what you consider fair terms. Once you have lost all your money you might finally have a real world lesson that differences in race exist.
That NAMs have bad credit and that they are exploited, and that dealers are wary of NAM buyers and that they exploit them– these things are not incompatible.
I don’t think deep state is quite the right term for Hillary vs Jeb.
The match-off is a benefit for both sides–each gets to avoid the charge of dynasty-builder while running against someone who will mobilize their base. This isn’t conspiracy, it just shows the paucity of decent candidates in both parties.
Until Ron installs the like button, I’ll just single this comment out for distilling the takeaway in 50 words of less. Perfection.
Isn’t this what immigration is all about?
More cell phone contracts sold, more products and services of all sorts sold.
More burdens for the medical system, more students for colleges that give degrees in useless subjects like Hispanic Studies and White Bashing.
So, how come no Conservative is writing a screenplay about it? It's ripe stuff for satire.
PS. Sabrina's article said Jackie's friend remained mum cuz they were afraid of not being invited to Frat parties. It turned out to be a lie.
But it seems to be true that many Cons will no longer stand up for principle because they want to be invited to urban gentry cocktail parties. Consider how Ross Douthat begs for 'terms of surrender' on 'gay marriage'. Consider how Charles Murray bent over to the homos.
It's not fear of being disinvited by the Right that makes people give up on their principles. It's the fear of being disinvited by the urban gentry Liberals that make people cave and sell their principles.
If you want to enter the biggest party in the biggest mansion, you need the password... like Bill Harford needed 'fidelio' to enter in Eyes Wide Shut.
The Password is "fruiters are great".
Ross Douthat is the opposite of a craven opportunist. Both he and Rod Dreher are if anything more open to Steveosphere arguments than any other political analyst at their 75-80 percent spectrum of conservatism. Both continue to oppose gay marriage despite the fact it makes them persona non grata among a good segment of the gentry class that you describe. You are confusing attitude for content.
What you are describing is a big problem on the right I agree, but it hardly applies to Douthat. I’ve found that the guys that went to Ivy League schools don’t generally have a problem with it. Look at Bill Kristol. hate him as most here do the guy doesn’t care what the new York times says about him or what the gentry class thinks about him. And truthfully its a mistake to see this as a “now the gentry liberals will like me” thing. It’s more a “now the Ivy League leftist can’t say I’m stupid” thing. That’s why the East Coast conservatives with Ivy League backgrounds and the Southern conservatives who really don’t care about Ivy League schools are the most forceful. It’s the Ramesh Ponnuru’s, Catholic University, of the world who really crave the affirmation.
Come again? What did Ponnuru ever do to get himself marked as a puppy dog in your book? While we're at it, Dreher is pathetically other-directed and is such a compulsive chatterer he can barely conceal it. The men without chests at National Review were the younger crew, Jason Lee Steorts (Harvard), Robert ver Bruggen (Northwestern), and Daniel Foster (George Washington and Oxford [!]).
And their consumption is to be subsidized largely by the taxpayers of the pre 1965 historical America.
Do auto dealers have to have a state sanctioned monopoly? Can an employee of the manufacturer do it?
It's quite a racket that the auto dealers have set up for themselves, to the detriment of consumers of course. What other major purchase item this day and age must you haggle with the seller as though you were at an open air market in Marrakesh?
How full of bullshit was Mitt Romney? Both his veep and his chief-of-staff, Paul Ryan and Mike Leavitt, weren't just for open borders, but fanatically for open borders. No Republican state is friendlier to illegal immigrants than Utah, and that's mostly thanks to Mike Leavitt.
Just last year, Mitt Romney went to Utah and endorsed a measure that was being pushed by Utah's RINO establishment to force the state's Republican Party to have open primaries in which Democrats could vote. Why? So that establishment RINOs like Sen. Bob Bennett and Rep. Chris Cannon never lose again. It was one giant middle finger to the conservatives who supported him.
Maybe you weren’t paying attention in ’12 but Romney stated clearly during a debate that self-deportation is his preferred option for illegal immigrants. Due to his loss, this will probably be the last time any viable general candidate utters anything remotely similar. Yet here you are calling him an open border fanatic.
I swear some of the commentators on here are not dealing with reality in terms of immigration.
"Self deportation" is a fine policy, but it requires politicians to actively create the conditions that encourage illegals to self deport - elimination of EITC and welfare benefits, denying them drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, and in-state tuition, and penalizing businesses which employ them. Since winning the nomination, Romney has made clear that he never really intended to do any of those things. After he win the nomination he all but stopped talking about illegals, and his only mention of immigration was orgasmic praise.
Romney completely dropped the border-control rhetoric once he got the nomination. In the debates, when Obama accused him of favoring self-deportation, Romney didn't defend the policy, he just stood there with a dumb look on his face like like Dan Quayle.
Recently Romney complained that Obama's amnesty didn't go far enough.
I suspect I'm not alone in that (among patriotic conservatives/right-wingers, that is).
I would love to see a Sessions/Webb united third party ticket against a Jebster and Hillary.
Agree that Ted Cruz is just a hapless politician. Cruz comes across NeoCon loon on foreign policy especially on Israel, Iran, Ukraine and Russia and an insane booster of the H1-B.
I never got the Dissident Right’s love of the free market.
Free markets in goods and services do not necessitate or require open borders. The arguably or relatively free market USA functioned for decades, from the 1920′s through the 1980′s, with not much immigration.
And please tell us the names of some Democrats, Progressives, Leftists, or dissident Leftists who oppose limits on immigration.
You should acknowledge that there is an unholy alliance between business and welfare state big government in both the USA and the EU. The plan is to pay low wages and supplement the low wages with welfare — the dole — wealth redistribution from the middling income classes to the poor.
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Do you mean support limits? Coretta Scott King and Barbara Jordan, once upon a time. Michael Lind (as recently as 15 years ago and perhaps still). R.M. Kaus. That about exhausts the list.
I suspect I'm not alone in that (among patriotic conservatives/right-wingers, that is).
Jim Webb is as pro-open borders as all the other Democrats. In fact he was pretty much a reliable D vote on everything during his Senate tenure.
Also, most Protestant denominations as well as the Roman so-called Catholic Church are preaching that we must accept all our newly arrived brethren .. our duty and cross to bear as good Christians.
One might say that the churches have made a business decision to try to fill otherwise empty pews with immigrant butts.
It makes me dubious about the future of conventional Christianity.
I swear some of the commentators on here are not dealing with reality in terms of immigration.
Because clearly if a politician said it, he must have meant it.
“Self deportation” is a fine policy, but it requires politicians to actively create the conditions that encourage illegals to self deport – elimination of EITC and welfare benefits, denying them drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, and in-state tuition, and penalizing businesses which employ them. Since winning the nomination, Romney has made clear that he never really intended to do any of those things. After he win the nomination he all but stopped talking about illegals, and his only mention of immigration was orgasmic praise.
I swear some of the commentators on here are not dealing with reality in terms of immigration.
Yes, and the two fanatically open-borders right-leaning publications I read on a somewhat regular basis, the Wall Street Journal and Reason magazine, both have published innumerable opinion pieces since Mitt started thinking about jumping in about how terrible he is. Reason, the publication of moronic Beltway libertarians, had a piece the other day about how Romney is clearly a progressive who’s going to challenge Clinton from the left, in order to get the progressive activist vote. The comments were all agreeing with the author instead of telling him he’s an idiot.
Very few Liberals would sit out a presidential election if Hillary Rodham on the the Democratic ticket. But millions of Conservatives would sit out a presidential election if Jeb is on the Republican ticket.
Even Liberals who are not huge fans of Hillary Rodham would still see her as the lesser of 2 evils when compared to Jeb Bush and would still come out to vote for her rather than stay home.
Hillary will be running as a 68 year old bag of dried up meat having been an obtrusive public presence for 24 years and with 48% of the electorate against her before she opens her mouth. She makes Lyndon Johnson look clean. She’s not whipping anyone’s ass, candy or otherwise.
Finally you wrote something everyone can agree with!
Thunderbuns, after having a stroke or aneurysm or whatever happened a year ago, looks exponentially less healthy by the month. In all reality, she simply can't handle the rigors of the campaign trail without stroking out. I hope it happens in public.......
Auto dealers owe their existence to government awarded monopolies.
You need to look up the term ‘monopoly’ to understand proper usage.
A Raw Deal in Michigan
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/raw-deal-michigan
You would have thought that after foisting two tools like Romney and McCain that they would have figured out that no one likes these sorts of creatures from K Street. And now another Bush? This guy has dullard and special interest tool written all over him. Whose policies are a toxic mix of open borders, Common Core(total Federal control of the schools and children), and just more of the same kleptocratic s**t, he is radioactive to all but the brain dead GOP faithful - which there isn't enough of to stop Hillary from winning by a landslide.
The permanent political class doesn't get that people don't like being screwed over by the people they elected. They gave the GOP both Houses and they repaid that support by supporting Obama and whatever else the politicalclass wanted. Expect in 2016 that a lot of Conservatives are going to stay home.
You would have thought that after foisting two tools like Romney and McCain that they would have figured out that no one likes these sorts of creatures from K Street. And now another Bush?
Your problem is not some shadowy ‘them’. It’s Republican voters, who do not do what you want them to do. Candidates to your liking do not run, voters largely ignore them when they do, and combox cranks despise the ones who do manage to mount vigorous challenges to business-oriented Republicans (Sen. Santorum, Gov. Huckabee).
Both Dem and GOP politicians want whatever the rich folks and large corporations and lobbies want.
And what those rich folks and large corporations and lobbies want is both workers and consumers. They want more people in the USA earning and spending. That means more revenues, profits, and growth and GDP. It really is a livestock operation.
I swear some of the commentators on here are not dealing with reality in terms of immigration.
“Due to his loss, this will probably be the last time any viable general candidate utters anything remotely similar. Yet here you are calling him an open border fanatic.”
Romney completely dropped the border-control rhetoric once he got the nomination. In the debates, when Obama accused him of favoring self-deportation, Romney didn’t defend the policy, he just stood there with a dumb look on his face like like Dan Quayle.
Recently Romney complained that Obama’s amnesty didn’t go far enough.
I believe moldbug said that “Republican presidents have appointed 9 of the last 5 conservative Supreme Court justices”
Did Moldbug mention that the Democratic Party controlled the United States Senate during the period in which all but 5 of the last 18 court vacancies appeared? The only one of those 5 who went rogue was the insipid Sandra Day O’Connor (touted by Barry Goldwater, of all people). That aside, the Republicans are limited in their discretion to members of the legal profession. The legal profession has its caste attitudes, and they’re not on the side of justice.
Where in the Constitution does it state that Supreme Court justices must be lawyers, or that they must have a law degree?
http://www.inquisitr.com/1684027/muslim-student-omar-mahmood-kicked-off-college-newspaper-after-writing-controversial-column/
Regarding the story of the billionaire Jeffrey Epstein’s private island where the Powers-That-Be could consort with underage girls, it makes me think that Kubrick was on to something in “Eyes Wide Shut.”
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The 'powers that be' consist of Bilge Clinton, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz?
It would be a kind of shorthand caricature, sort of like Gary Trudeau’s icon for GHWB being a bodiless voice.
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Papa Bush is a very accomplished man in several different venues (combat in the military, the business world in Texas, national politics, and family life). Garretson Beekman Trudeau hit on a salable bit of entertainment in his middle 20s and has been coasting for the last 40-odd years. One of these is about fit to shine the other’s shoes.
Free markets in goods and services do not necessitate or require open borders. The arguably or relatively free market USA functioned for decades, from the 1920's through the 1980's, with not much immigration.
And please tell us the names of some Democrats, Progressives, Leftists, or dissident Leftists who oppose limits on immigration.
You should acknowledge that there is an unholy alliance between business and welfare state big government in both the USA and the EU. The plan is to pay low wages and supplement the low wages with welfare -- the dole -- wealth redistribution from the middling income classes to the poor.
And please tell us the names of some Democrats, Progressives, Leftists, or dissident Leftists who oppose limits on immigration.
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Do you mean support limits? Coretta Scott King and Barbara Jordan, once upon a time. Michael Lind (as recently as 15 years ago and perhaps still). R.M. Kaus. That about exhausts the list.
I don’t believe Jeb Bush can convince Republican primary voters to go for his profoundly uninspiring, I’m-a-liberal-who-loves-rich-people schtick.
I respond:
You are correct. He won't be able to convince enough of them. The bad news is that he doesn't need to. Look at how John McCain wound up winning the nomination in 2008, winning most of the early primary and caucus states with puny pluralities but getting all the delegates because of winner take all. Eventually in doing so he reached a critical mass where opposing him became futile, and everyone else gave up. The reason he could win all these early states with puny pluralities is that the anti-RINO vote was divided up between a bunch of quixotic carnival barkers and resume padders and sideshow bobs.
You are correct. He won’t be able to convince enough of them. The bad news is that he doesn’t need to. Look at how John McCain wound up winning the nomination in 2008, winning most of the early primary and caucus states with puny pluralities but getting all the delegates because of winner take all.
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McCain actually won 45% of the primary and caucus ballots in a four candidate race. Like it or lump it, he was the plurality candidate.
Over the last four decades, the Republican nominee has been one of the following: the incumbent president, the candidate who placed during the last competitive contest, the candidate who placed during the penultimate competitive contest, and the son of the previous president. Nothing any different in 2008. You need to persuade Republican voters to be less influenced by familiar brands.
What you are describing is a big problem on the right I agree, but it hardly applies to Douthat. I've found that the guys that went to Ivy League schools don't generally have a problem with it. Look at Bill Kristol. hate him as most here do the guy doesn't care what the new York times says about him or what the gentry class thinks about him. And truthfully its a mistake to see this as a "now the gentry liberals will like me" thing. It's more a "now the Ivy League leftist can't say I'm stupid" thing. That's why the East Coast conservatives with Ivy League backgrounds and the Southern conservatives who really don't care about Ivy League schools are the most forceful. It's the Ramesh Ponnuru's, Catholic University, of the world who really crave the affirmation.
. It’s the Ramesh Ponnuru’s, Catholic University, of the world who really crave the affirmation.
Come again? What did Ponnuru ever do to get himself marked as a puppy dog in your book? While we’re at it, Dreher is pathetically other-directed and is such a compulsive chatterer he can barely conceal it. The men without chests at National Review were the younger crew, Jason Lee Steorts (Harvard), Robert ver Bruggen (Northwestern), and Daniel Foster (George Washington and Oxford [!]).
I suspect I'm not alone in that (among patriotic conservatives/right-wingers, that is).
I suspect I’m not alone in that (among patriotic conservatives/right-wingers, that is).
Sorry, chum, you’re alone.
If nobody runs against Hillary, and that is increasingly likely then Bush Co can count on lots of Democrats voting for Jeb in the open primary states. Totally cynical? Yes, but then the Elites who supposedly back the Republicans will be quite happy honestly if Hillary wins. After all they have gotten even richer with Obama in the White House than Dubya. To be honest there are only two candidates that scare the Elites, Jeff Sessions and Jim Webb.
The only primaries Jeb needs to win outright are Israel(already won), the “Invisible Primary” aka the CMM, use to be called the MSM(already won), and Florida. Texas would be nice but not critical. The NeoCons and Rapture Right are all fired up for war with Iran, Jeb is their man.
Why not ask Mr. Giuliani’s old campaign staff how their strategy worked out for them?
Rudy's tough on crime and welfare cheats reputation did not help much in Iowa and New Hampshire. Last Rudy was an Immigration enthusiast and sentimentalist.
The caucus has been a joke and 100% manipulated by fixers and mini-Roves since way back. Like the zoo animal that gets fed too much Iowan “stakeholders” instinctively put out their palms for grease application. RNC establishment vacations in Iowa
In 2012, the popular ballot was won by Sen. Santorum and most of the delegates by Ron Paul. In 2008, the popular plurality went to Gov. Huckabee. Even when a standard issue candidate has the plurality, curious things happen (i.e. Steve Forbes placing in 2000, Buchanan nearly besting Dole in 1996, the incumbent vice president placing 3d in 1988, and a Republican utility man defeating Ronald Reagan in 1980). Jimmy Carter got his start at the Iowa caucuses, you will recall.
Jeffrey Epstein’s private island where the Powers-That-Be
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The ‘powers that be’ consist of Bilge Clinton, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz?
“Hillary will be running as a 68 year old bag of dried up meat having been an obtrusive public presence for 24 years”
Finally you wrote something everyone can agree with!
Thunderbuns, after having a stroke or aneurysm or whatever happened a year ago, looks exponentially less healthy by the month. In all reality, she simply can’t handle the rigors of the campaign trail without stroking out. I hope it happens in public…….
You need to look up the term 'monopoly' to understand proper usage.
So I can rent a retail space and sell new cars if I want to? Why is Tesla motors being sued for selling cars directly. Auto dealers have a monopoly over new car sales. Individual dealers have a local monopoly for one or more manufacturers.
A Raw Deal in Michigan
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/raw-deal-michigan
Did Moldbug mention that the Democratic Party controlled the United States Senate during the period in which all but 5 of the last 18 court vacancies appeared? The only one of those 5 who went rogue was the insipid Sandra Day O'Connor (touted by Barry Goldwater, of all people). That aside, the Republicans are limited in their discretion to members of the legal profession. The legal profession has its caste attitudes, and they're not on the side of justice.
>>That aside, the Republicans are limited in their discretion to members of the legal profession.
Where in the Constitution does it state that Supreme Court justices must be lawyers, or that they must have a law degree?
A Raw Deal in Michigan
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/raw-deal-michigan
Auto dealers have a lot of legal protections. I asked a friend who is a lawyer at Costco why Costco doesn’t just pick out one model in each type (sedan, SUV, etc) and sell that for 5% less than dealers. He said that state laws greatly benefit traditional, especially existing dealers.
Sorry, chum, you're alone.
No he’s not.
Immigrants because needed because they are consumers? Only as long as they’re getting welfare money.
Consider the forty six million “Americans” currently on food stamps, or the modern debit card equivalent. Yes, all the food stamps are good for the food biz, but who is ultimately subsidizing the sustenance?
As for cars, sales to buyers with crummy credit ratings is getting mentioned on financial web pages. The duration of some of the loans is seven years.
Have to be a legal resident to get a car loan? Are you kidding?
I suspect I'm not alone in that (among patriotic conservatives/right-wingers, that is).
I’d vote for Democrat Jim Webb over Jeb Bush (or a preposterous dork like Ted Cruz) in a hot minute.
Webb voted against cloture on the appallingly bad 2007 amnesty, S. 1348, which lost 34-61 and which not even a single Republican, iirc, voted for, but NumbersUSA gave Webb a grade of D+ for his overall votes on immigration. Pretty sure he’s still a liberal.
Virginia is politically balanced enough that Webb could have won running on either party’s ticket, but he chose to run as a Democrat rather than a populist Republican.
Jim Webb almost out of nowhere captured the 2006 Democratic primary when Virginia's Democratic base rebelled against Chuck Schumer and the Clintonista's anointing the heinous Harris Miller the notorious H1-B huckster and front man as the Senate nominee.
Schumer who was running the DSCC, basically said he saw the Virginia Senate seat as nothing more than opportunity to install a full time shill for corporate donations for the Democrats since to Schumer the biggest industry in the state was already lobbying. That is why Harris Miller who founded and got stinking rich heading the infamous ITAA H1-B lobby group was despised by the entire Democratic base. Harris Miller was dismissed as Chuckie's , Rahm's, and Hillary's combination of Fredo and Hyman Roth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_Miller#Campaign_for_Senate
Harris Miller in a last ditch effort to win the primary attempted to smear his opposition as anti-Semitic.
That is why Chuck Schumer, the Clintonistas and last Obama put Jim Webb on their sh*t list.
Webb has, in recent months, discussed whether it makes sense to continue having so much immigration, at a time when its so difficult for native-born Americans to find decent paying, full-time, permanent employment. You note he voted against cloture...which rather implies he voted against the actual freakin' bill. Because I'm pretty sure if he'd voted for it, you'd have noted that fact, right?
He's not as far to the right as I'd like, but he's better than any of the poltroons on offer from the GOP.
So, how come no Conservative is writing a screenplay about it? It's ripe stuff for satire.
PS. Sabrina's article said Jackie's friend remained mum cuz they were afraid of not being invited to Frat parties. It turned out to be a lie.
But it seems to be true that many Cons will no longer stand up for principle because they want to be invited to urban gentry cocktail parties. Consider how Ross Douthat begs for 'terms of surrender' on 'gay marriage'. Consider how Charles Murray bent over to the homos.
It's not fear of being disinvited by the Right that makes people give up on their principles. It's the fear of being disinvited by the urban gentry Liberals that make people cave and sell their principles.
If you want to enter the biggest party in the biggest mansion, you need the password... like Bill Harford needed 'fidelio' to enter in Eyes Wide Shut.
The Password is "fruiters are great".
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Why don’t you?
I keep reading “gray enlightenment” (or is that “grey”?) guys bitching and moaning about why there isn’t this, why there isn’t that. Yes, it is ripe for ridicule. So ridicule it.
If you think there’s a market vacuum, fill it yourself and write the screenplay. Or better yet, novel. Screenplays get stolen all the time.
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I seem to recall George Borjas was able to place an article in Journal of Regional Science ca. 1995 in which he calculated the aggregate benefit to the extant population of immigration streams such as they were over the range of his dataset amounted to 0.1% of gross domestic product per annum, was sensitive to the provisions of public benefit programs, and was skewed in its distribution to the affluent (recalling Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood here). Mightn't someone send a copy to Gov. Bush (or is all this blather about economic benefit just an excuse)?
“might someone send”
As I said to the other guy, why don’t you? And tell us what he says.
I think you know the answer. He doesn’t care about the facts, his mind is already made up.
Both political parties are hopeless, run by, for, and about fat cats.
LOL.
I admit it, I check out his website to see the pictures he posts of the food he eats.
Regarding the men without chests, I can think of other body parts they lack.
https://twitter.com/beholdcosmicwav/status/558790089879588864
So all of a sudden “she said” is believable?
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The 'powers that be' consist of Bilge Clinton, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz?
They are part of the PTB, sure.
Hale Boggs Jr. was part of the powers-that-be.
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The charges against Dershowitz (an old man with no history of personal scandals apart from a divorce four decades ago) are not plausible.
Auto dealers have actually gotten laws passed in which manufacturers cannot directly sell to consumers. Texas has used this law to successfully keep Tesla showrooms out of their state. And auto dealers in Georgia recently got a law passed which specifically exempts dealers from sales tax on used cars, but charges the tax to any citizen who tries to sell their car directly.
It’s quite a racket that the auto dealers have set up for themselves, to the detriment of consumers of course. What other major purchase item this day and age must you haggle with the seller as though you were at an open air market in Marrakesh?
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Do you mean support limits? Coretta Scott King and Barbara Jordan, once upon a time. Michael Lind (as recently as 15 years ago and perhaps still). R.M. Kaus. That about exhausts the list.
Also Jim Webb, Joe Donnelly, and Frank Jackson.
Perhaps they were only applauding, not “cheering” — car dealers generally don’t cheer politicians.
And just think of the ‘greenhouse gases’ all those car-driving immigrants will produce — you’d think the leftist environmentalists — that’s practically redundant — would be up-in-arms in opposition to all those soon-to-be-car-driving-immigrants. But no.
It's quite a racket that the auto dealers have set up for themselves, to the detriment of consumers of course. What other major purchase item this day and age must you haggle with the seller as though you were at an open air market in Marrakesh?
I only recently realized that the legal protections for existing auto dealers is the basis of John Updike’s career summit book Rabbit Is Rich: Rabbit Angstrom has inherited his father-in-law’s Toyota dealership and not even he can screw up that kind of good luck.
My vague impression is that Toyota dealerships are a license to print money because Toyota had to give perpetual contracts out to sign up American dealers in the 1960s, so Toyota has less leverage to prevent its dealers from abusing customers than later Japanese and Korean car makers.
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You're citing John Updike as an authority on small business operation?
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You don't like the deal, don't buy the car. They're not in a position to abuse the customer bar by providing lousy service under warranty.
Rudy, was never supported by the NeoCons or the Rapture Right, John “Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran” McCain was their man. Rudy’s position on or more precisely reputation for taking guns off the streets NYC worried lots of 2nd amendment types.
Rudy’s tough on crime and welfare cheats reputation did not help much in Iowa and New Hampshire. Last Rudy was an Immigration enthusiast and sentimentalist.
--You need to stop pretending you know anything. John McCain had no particular rapport with evangelicals. The only candidates who have in 30 years have been Pat Robertson, Alan Keyes, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum. There are no 'neoCons' to speak of other than a coterie of opinion journalists, most of them quite elderly; it's a nonsense term traded in by avocational Jew-haters. Mr. Giuliani retained Martin Kramer as a campaign adviser, who at least has some personal ties to the Kristol and Podhoretz clans.
Webb voted against cloture on the appallingly bad 2007 amnesty, S. 1348, which lost 34-61 and which not even a single Republican, iirc, voted for, but NumbersUSA gave Webb a grade of D+ for his overall votes on immigration. Pretty sure he's still a liberal.
Virginia is politically balanced enough that Webb could have won running on either party's ticket, but he chose to run as a Democrat rather than a populist Republican.
Wilkey,
Jim Webb almost out of nowhere captured the 2006 Democratic primary when Virginia’s Democratic base rebelled against Chuck Schumer and the Clintonista’s anointing the heinous Harris Miller the notorious H1-B huckster and front man as the Senate nominee.
Schumer who was running the DSCC, basically said he saw the Virginia Senate seat as nothing more than opportunity to install a full time shill for corporate donations for the Democrats since to Schumer the biggest industry in the state was already lobbying. That is why Harris Miller who founded and got stinking rich heading the infamous ITAA H1-B lobby group was despised by the entire Democratic base. Harris Miller was dismissed as Chuckie’s , Rahm’s, and Hillary’s combination of Fredo and Hyman Roth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_Miller#Campaign_for_Senate
Harris Miller in a last ditch effort to win the primary attempted to smear his opposition as anti-Semitic.
That is why Chuck Schumer, the Clintonistas and last Obama put Jim Webb on their sh*t list.
This is true. The worst contracts are with Southeast Toyota or something like that. Toyota apparently spent some time trying to get out from under these contracts. The dealers have impunity and traditionally Toyota dealerships have had very low customer satisfaction with the dealership while high satisfaction with the product.
The other big Japanese players, like Nissan/Honda, had similar, but less severe, problems and breaking out the Lexus, etc, brands was (partially) a way of doing an end run around these adverse business relationships as well as the more obvious aim of upscale marketing. It was only the past 2 years or so that Lexuses started being sold under that nameplate in Japan, formerly they were all Toyotas.
Fascinating.
The Toyota dealership in Van Nuys is, in my limited experience, contemptible, while the same firm’s Hyundai dealership a couple of blocks away is much better.
It’s an interesting question how dominant Toyota would be in America if its dealers were less despicable.
There is a legal concept in Japan called jijo henko which is a general purpose contract renegotiation/escape clause. It translates as "changed circumstances" and basically means, "that was then, this is now". This is one reason why Japanese business relationships are so high touch, all the socializing, communing, ya gotta keep your eye out to keep partners/customers/any contractees from going all jijo henko on you.
Anyhow, Toyota being early on, learned that there isn't any jijo henko escape routes in U.S. contract law, forever really does mean forever.
This legal concept is still in force and sometimes will still create some international disputes when some domestic company will maybe try to get jurisdiction switched over a contract from a foreign country back to Japan where they know ultimately, they can just walk away from it.
The mentality of Bush and a lot of these businessmen is hard to fathom. What sort of country do they believe themselves to be handing off to their children?
George Bush feels the pulse in the gut and those airbrushing his image feel the same pulse a little lower or way down to be precise. They know the needs of the Americans .
Is this the same Moldbug who thinks some homo wrote Hamlet? (And called me an “Oxford denialist”.)
Stick with the original Mencius.
Yes. He’s Canadian.
He’s entitled to an opinion on US immigration, but not a “stance”.
Dealers, would you buy a used immigration policy from this man?
Remember: it doesn’t come with a warranty!
BTW: pay a visit to George P. Bush's twitter feed, and notice how few of his posts seem to relate directly to anything the Texas Land Commissioner actually does. He is clearly already aiming for higher office.
Rudy's tough on crime and welfare cheats reputation did not help much in Iowa and New Hampshire. Last Rudy was an Immigration enthusiast and sentimentalist.
Rudy, was never supported by the NeoCons or the Rapture Right, John “Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran” McCain was their man.
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You need to stop pretending you know anything. John McCain had no particular rapport with evangelicals. The only candidates who have in 30 years have been Pat Robertson, Alan Keyes, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum.
There are no ‘neoCons’ to speak of other than a coterie of opinion journalists, most of them quite elderly; it’s a nonsense term traded in by avocational Jew-haters. Mr. Giuliani retained Martin Kramer as a campaign adviser, who at least has some personal ties to the Kristol and Podhoretz clans.
A Raw Deal in Michigan
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/raw-deal-michigan
No, auto dealers have franchise agreements. No consumer is compelled to buy from a given manufacturer or a given dealer. There are likely some modest rents accruing to dealers from barriers to entry. That is all.
Prince Andrew can get theatre tickets and good restaurant seating. His influence about ends there. Alan Dershowitz can influence his own workplace and perhaps exert it in some manner in which either legal briefs or an established public presence are crucial.
Hale Boggs Jr. was part of the powers-that-be.
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The charges against Dershowitz (an old man with no history of personal scandals apart from a divorce four decades ago) are not plausible.
Rabbit Angstrom has inherited his father-in-law’s Toyota dealership and not even he can screw up that kind of good luck.
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You’re citing John Updike as an authority on small business operation?
“In the United States and Canada, a franchised new-car and -truck dealership is a retailer that sells new and also possibly used cars, including certified preowned vehicles, employs trained automotive technicians, and offers financing. In the United States, direct manufacturer auto sales are prohibited in almost every state by franchise laws requiring that new cars be sold only by dealers.[1]”
Sounds like a restraint of trade to me.
Bill Clinton’s stepfather’s family were car dealers (probably still are). That’s how he went to Georgetown; how he was an intern in Sen. Fulbright’s office; how he got Gov. Winthrop Rockefeller and Sen. Fulbright’s top aide to manipulate the draft system for him. The Man from Hope.
Regarding black people and car loans, someone above mentioned a market of used cars and loans for used cars in the black community. Cases involving used car loans come up pretty often on Judge Judy and the amounts people borrow and the monthly payments are shockingly high. But then, they don’t pay off the loan. They stop paying.
Honest question: When the Federal Government bailed out the automobile manufacturers, did they do anything to take on the dealerships? It is absurd to have to “negotiate” the price of a car. The consumer cannot have any confidence that he/she didn’t overpay.
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Auto parts and used cars, and in Hot Springs, not Hope. Roger Clinton died in 1967, and spent his last dozen years working for his brother. All three of his brothers had reached retirement age by 1972 and the last of them died in 1991. The only Clinton brother with any sons (leaving aside the n'er do well Roger Clinton Jr.) was an insurance agent, not a car dealer.
“Maybe you weren’t paying attention in ’12 but Romney stated clearly during a debate that self-deportation is his preferred option for illegal immigrants. Due to his loss, this will probably be the last time any viable general candidate utters anything remotely similar. Yet here you are calling him an open border fanatic.”
How many times did he bring up the issue on this own? How many times did he say he would repeal DACA. I think he even proposed higher ‘STEM’ visas etc. The idea that Romney was at all interested in immigration (legal or illegal) reduction is at least as off the mark as believing him to be an open borders fanatic.
Further, it isn’t like politicians lose elections because of one issue. Romney probably killed his campaign with his 47% remark. In fact, that remark was so stupid to say that he should have lost.
And more further, even when GOP politicians run, and win, on immigration issues, the Establishment spins the win as a loss. Pete Wilson won handily, with 64% of the white vote and 14% of the black vote (the latter being high for the GOP nationally, not sure about California). Neil Kashkari , the self-described ‘brown son of immigrants’ who supported every California Democrat measure to make illegals comfortable, couldn’t even win the white vote in this state.
Conservatives had a chance to support patriotic immigration, and they blew it, and I'm still upset about it.
Now, mitt should have hit Obama on the issue more, but if more conservatives had his back during the primary, he might have.
Yeah Romney lost for a multitude of self-inflicted mistakes. And that 47% comment was a disaster. He was already trying to deflect his rep as a corporate vulture at Bain. If he had a brain, he would have simply made it reference to our anemic economy and self-destructive trade policies that have made impossible for many people to find work. But if he did that he would have alienated Wall Street and the Chambers of Commerce.
That's the problem in politics. If you play the populist, you aggravate the donor class which just loves the status quo and your campaign coffer gets empty. If you appease the donor class, you end up with a load of cash but have little appeal(if you're a GOPer, but if you're a Clinton you can be a total tool of Wall Street and still have appeal).
Remember: it doesn't come with a warranty!
“Dealers, would you buy a used immigration policy from this man? Remember: it doesn’t come with a warranty!”
Oh yeah, it does. He’s a Bush. That’s the guarantee. That’s why the family has maintained such an impressive Rolodex. That’s how a politically untested family member with a criminal record, George P. Bush, managed to raise several million dollars in his bid for Texas Land Commissioner.
When rich businessmen give to a Bush, they know exactly what they’re getting, and that a Bush won’t let them down. As I’ve said before, the video of Jeb Bush announcing his exploratory committee was recorded right in front of a Manhattan investment bank. If that ain’t a none-too-subtle hint about where he really stands (quite literally, in this case) then I don’t know what is.
BTW: pay a visit to George P. Bush’s twitter feed, and notice how few of his posts seem to relate directly to anything the Texas Land Commissioner actually does. He is clearly already aiming for higher office.
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He got in a tacky argument with his girlfriend and her father 20 years ago. There were no criminal charges resulting from that. This is of interest why?
In addition to being desperate for business back then, Japanese were not as savvy about U.S. contract law. In Japan, contracts are (were) much less common and when they did exist, they really aren’t very enforceable.
There is a legal concept in Japan called jijo henko which is a general purpose contract renegotiation/escape clause. It translates as “changed circumstances” and basically means, “that was then, this is now”. This is one reason why Japanese business relationships are so high touch, all the socializing, communing, ya gotta keep your eye out to keep partners/customers/any contractees from going all jijo henko on you.
Anyhow, Toyota being early on, learned that there isn’t any jijo henko escape routes in U.S. contract law, forever really does mean forever.
This legal concept is still in force and sometimes will still create some international disputes when some domestic company will maybe try to get jurisdiction switched over a contract from a foreign country back to Japan where they know ultimately, they can just walk away from it.
BTW: pay a visit to George P. Bush's twitter feed, and notice how few of his posts seem to relate directly to anything the Texas Land Commissioner actually does. He is clearly already aiming for higher office.
That’s how a politically untested family member with a criminal record, George P. Bush,
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He got in a tacky argument with his girlfriend and her father 20 years ago. There were no criminal charges resulting from that. This is of interest why?
Regarding black people and car loans, someone above mentioned a market of used cars and loans for used cars in the black community. Cases involving used car loans come up pretty often on Judge Judy and the amounts people borrow and the monthly payments are shockingly high. But then, they don't pay off the loan. They stop paying.
Honest question: When the Federal Government bailed out the automobile manufacturers, did they do anything to take on the dealerships? It is absurd to have to "negotiate" the price of a car. The consumer cannot have any confidence that he/she didn't overpay.
Bill Clinton’s stepfather’s family were car dealers (probably still are).
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Auto parts and used cars, and in Hot Springs, not Hope. Roger Clinton died in 1967, and spent his last dozen years working for his brother. All three of his brothers had reached retirement age by 1972 and the last of them died in 1991. The only Clinton brother with any sons (leaving aside the n’er do well Roger Clinton Jr.) was an insurance agent, not a car dealer.
Hale Boggs Jr. was part of the powers-that-be.
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The charges against Dershowitz (an old man with no history of personal scandals apart from a divorce four decades ago) are not plausible.
“The charges against Dershowitz (an old man with no history of personal scandals apart from a divorce four decades ago) are not plausible.”
The history of sex pervs is riddled with ‘old men with no history of personal scandal.’ How many of us have been acquainted with otherwise decent men whose lives are shattered by the little guy with the German Army helmet?
Wanting sex with an attractive woman is deep in the blood. It’s a biological imperative. That’s why cheating/sexual assault/promiscuity/sex with prostitutes/sex with underage girls is easily the most common scandal of all. It’s especially the case with powerful older men who may have gotten it easily when they were slightly younger and their stars still burned bright but suddenly find their looks and/or star power somewhat diminished. I suspect it’s becoming even more common thanks to medications like Cialis and Viagra.
Dershowitz may or may not have done it, but there is no doubt that he could have done it.
so Toyota has less leverage to prevent its dealers from abusing customers than later Japanese and Korean car makers.
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You don’t like the deal, don’t buy the car. They’re not in a position to abuse the customer bar by providing lousy service under warranty.
--You need to stop pretending you know anything. John McCain had no particular rapport with evangelicals. The only candidates who have in 30 years have been Pat Robertson, Alan Keyes, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum. There are no 'neoCons' to speak of other than a coterie of opinion journalists, most of them quite elderly; it's a nonsense term traded in by avocational Jew-haters. Mr. Giuliani retained Martin Kramer as a campaign adviser, who at least has some personal ties to the Kristol and Podhoretz clans.
Art Deco
You are such a shameless NeoCon apologist, denier of the reality of the Rapture Right (Christian Dispensationalism) and their out of proportion political impact that you are truly hilarious.
Perhaps you forgot about this.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/mccain-rejects-hagee-backing-as-nazi-remarks-surface/
This was months after McCain locked up the nomination.
And before anyone says "Judges" bear in mind that GOP judges have mostly been the ones handing gay marriage one victory after another, and the beloved John Roberts who GOP activists worked their asses off to get confirmed upheld Obamacare. So even that issue no longer really holds water.
If John Roberts votes to mandate homosexual “marriage”, there will be literally no more reason to vote republican. Unelected judges can invalidate all our hard work and votes. ALL of it.
Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils, we will need to begin the process of overhauling the structure that is causing us to lose our culture. And it begins with dramatically lessening the power of judges. Because without doing so, there is no reason to vote.
How many times did he bring up the issue on this own? How many times did he say he would repeal DACA. I think he even proposed higher 'STEM' visas etc. The idea that Romney was at all interested in immigration (legal or illegal) reduction is at least as off the mark as believing him to be an open borders fanatic.
Further, it isn't like politicians lose elections because of one issue. Romney probably killed his campaign with his 47% remark. In fact, that remark was so stupid to say that he should have lost.
And more further, even when GOP politicians run, and win, on immigration issues, the Establishment spins the win as a loss. Pete Wilson won handily, with 64% of the white vote and 14% of the black vote (the latter being high for the GOP nationally, not sure about California). Neil Kashkari , the self-described 'brown son of immigrants' who supported every California Democrat measure to make illegals comfortable, couldn't even win the white vote in this state.
‘re immigration Mitt Romney was our best chance to get patriotic policies. He suffered hits over “self-deportation” but where were conservatives when he needed them? Why weren’t conservatives backing him up every fucking day hammering the media and left for not supporting enforcing our laws? They let mitt twist in the wind, flirting with unelectable candidates like Gingrich and Santorum. I’m talking about the Mark Levin, Erick Erickson types. Why? Because he had a health care plan in Massachusetts? He opposed obamacare strongly.
Conservatives had a chance to support patriotic immigration, and they blew it, and I’m still upset about it.
Now, mitt should have hit Obama on the issue more, but if more conservatives had his back during the primary, he might have.
Romney completely dropped the border-control rhetoric once he got the nomination. In the debates, when Obama accused him of favoring self-deportation, Romney didn't defend the policy, he just stood there with a dumb look on his face like like Dan Quayle.
Recently Romney complained that Obama's amnesty didn't go far enough.
Link to Romney saying that?
“Ed says:
Maybe you weren’t paying attention in ’12 but Romney stated clearly during a debate that self-deportation is his preferred option for illegal immigrants.”
Which debate? One of the primary debates? Romney completely changed his tone on immigration after the primaries. Almost as soon as he had won the nomination, he stopped talking about it. In fact he fired one of his chief domestic advisors who was opposed to amnesty. He did all this with an alacrity that suggested premeditaion.
Romney intentionally lied about his position on immigration in order to win the primaries.
“Art Deco says:
You need to stop pretending you know anything. John McCain had no particular rapport with evangelicals. The only candidates who have in 30 years have been Pat Robertson, Alan Keyes, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum.”
Only pretending to know things has never stopped an ignorant boob like you from shooting off your mouth. McCain had no particular love of evangelicals, but he was clearly their man in 2008 – because he was a so-called war-hero, because FOX news promoted him, and because he payed the required obeisance to Israel.
The notion that neo-cons don’t exist as a category is a lie promoted by disingenuous fools like you.
“Art Deco says:
@Bemused
Prince Andrew can get theatre tickets and good restaurant seating. His influence about ends there.
A good portion of the British government will turn hand-stands to avoid scandal falling on that dull little princeling – that by itself explains a good deal of why it might be worthwhile to blackmail him.
“Alan Dershowitz can influence his own workplace and perhaps exert it in some manner in which either legal briefs or an established public presence are crucial.”
This is nothing but a lie. Dershowitz is an influential public intellectual, who has the ear of the rich and powerful, and routinely appears in the media as an opinion-maker.
“The charges against Dershowitz (an old man with no history of personal scandals apart from a divorce four decades ago) are not plausible.”
The same could be said of any number of prominent men who were eventually tarred by scandal. It is entirely plausible.
Steve, you’ve probably seen this Sailer-bait already, but in case you haven’t:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/01/24/the-american-dream-shatters-in-prince-georges-county/
How many times did he bring up the issue on this own? How many times did he say he would repeal DACA. I think he even proposed higher 'STEM' visas etc. The idea that Romney was at all interested in immigration (legal or illegal) reduction is at least as off the mark as believing him to be an open borders fanatic.
Further, it isn't like politicians lose elections because of one issue. Romney probably killed his campaign with his 47% remark. In fact, that remark was so stupid to say that he should have lost.
And more further, even when GOP politicians run, and win, on immigration issues, the Establishment spins the win as a loss. Pete Wilson won handily, with 64% of the white vote and 14% of the black vote (the latter being high for the GOP nationally, not sure about California). Neil Kashkari , the self-described 'brown son of immigrants' who supported every California Democrat measure to make illegals comfortable, couldn't even win the white vote in this state.
Kashkari would have been better off to run as a Democrat. Because what he was selling was not appealing at all. Much like Meg Whitman who spoke with a forked tongue on immigration and it blew up in her face. Carly(the wrecking ball) Fiorina wasn’t much better.
Yeah Romney lost for a multitude of self-inflicted mistakes. And that 47% comment was a disaster. He was already trying to deflect his rep as a corporate vulture at Bain. If he had a brain, he would have simply made it reference to our anemic economy and self-destructive trade policies that have made impossible for many people to find work. But if he did that he would have alienated Wall Street and the Chambers of Commerce.
That’s the problem in politics. If you play the populist, you aggravate the donor class which just loves the status quo and your campaign coffer gets empty. If you appease the donor class, you end up with a load of cash but have little appeal(if you’re a GOPer, but if you’re a Clinton you can be a total tool of Wall Street and still have appeal).
The influence of wives should not be underestimated. Consider the wife of a new congressman. She has spent years showing up, smiling, mingling and pretending to like all the people necessary to get her husband elected. First as county commissioner, then state senator, and now she is in DC – the big time. But if hubby is ranting on the floor of the house about restricting (even partial birth) abortion, supporting gun rights, etc., then she will never get invited to be in the Kennedy Center Women’s Auxiliary (or whatever). She won’t get invited anyway, because she is an evil Republican, but in the mean time hubby is getting an earful when he comes home. Much easier to go along.
I have no idea whether the charges against Dershowitz are true or not. But plausible? Let’s see.
Let me quote from this website, since he said it better than I can:
https://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2015/01/24/the-wages-of-dershowitzs-chutzpah/#comments
My favorite piece of Dershowitzian chutzpah was when he tried to prevent the publication of Norman Finkelstein’s book:
http://www.thenation.com/article/giving-chutzpah-new-meaning?page=0,1
We’ll see. Justice sometimes happens.
So McCain denouncing John Hagee and rejecting his endorsement is proof that he has “out of proportion political impact”?
What other major purchase item this day and age must you haggle with the seller as though you were at an open air market in Marrakesh?
What is wrong about haggling over prices? Would you prefer that prices be set by a Gooberment Bureau of Fair and Just Prices?
Apparently such “predatory” practices are another reason why the bright, shining example of the wealthiest black majority county in the country has suffered of late:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/01/24/the-american-dream-shatters-in-prince-georges-county/
Webb voted against cloture on the appallingly bad 2007 amnesty, S. 1348, which lost 34-61 and which not even a single Republican, iirc, voted for, but NumbersUSA gave Webb a grade of D+ for his overall votes on immigration. Pretty sure he's still a liberal.
Virginia is politically balanced enough that Webb could have won running on either party's ticket, but he chose to run as a Democrat rather than a populist Republican.
“Webb voted against cloture on the appallingly bad 2007 amnesty, S. 1348, which lost 34-61 and which not even a single Republican, iirc, voted for, but NumbersUSA gave Webb a grade of D+ for his overall votes on immigration. Pretty sure he’s still a liberal.”
Webb has, in recent months, discussed whether it makes sense to continue having so much immigration, at a time when its so difficult for native-born Americans to find decent paying, full-time, permanent employment. You note he voted against cloture…which rather implies he voted against the actual freakin’ bill. Because I’m pretty sure if he’d voted for it, you’d have noted that fact, right?
He’s not as far to the right as I’d like, but he’s better than any of the poltroons on offer from the GOP.
But then, why stay in their country of origin when US taxpayers are forced to give them a free ride?
As a resident of Los Angeles I can state with some knowledge that immigrants do not bring "vitality" to the economy, quite the opposite. Certainly the Democrats and apparently some less than honest Republicans are simply buying votes at the expense of those that pay taxes. The will of the people is being ignored.
>As a resident of Los Angeles I can state with some knowledge that immigrants do not bring “vitality” to the economy, quite the opposite.
What about Violeta? What about Ruben?
Steve and ISteve Readers,
I am meeting Jeb Bush this week at a small fundraising event (family connection taking me for possible fireworks). I assume I will have the chance to ask him one question. I probably can’t be too utterly obnoxious. Any ideas?
One thing I’m thinking of: Telling him I agree with his brother that we should fight Islam over there so we don’t have to fight them here. And then asking him why we let in 100,000 Muslims per year. But I’d like something harder hitting and perhaps more focused on economics or broad third world insanity (median wages flat since 1970, Mexican invasion of the U.S. south, etc).
First time poster. Been reading for maybe half a year. Enjoy the blog.