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  1. What a coup for Molyneux! It’s too bad he’s such a hateful Nazi bigot or else this could be his ticket to the big time in journalism.

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  2. In case Bill Gates still has some money left to spend on his home continent, this might interest him.

    “Given how totalitarian Google has become both ideologically and technologically we need to demand separation of Search and State.

    http://twitter.com/edsonedge/status/894799335052988416

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    • Replies: @RobertTaylor
    You mean Bill Gates spend money on the Americans who made him a billionaire?

    But how can he Virtue Signal doing that?
    , @Brabantian
    What commenter 'academic gossip' quoted there from Twitter user @edsonedge


    we need to demand separation of Search and State

     

    is not just a worthy clever quip ... It is an agenda of the Trump White House, where Steve Bannon has launched an initiative to terminate Google's ugly role as a politically-biased & criminal private monopoly, and to make Google search & Facebook into public utilities under open direct public regulation ... Bannon needs to add the intel-agency propaganda Trojan Horse site, the oily 'Wikipedia', to that list

    Steve Bannon is in concert with the European Commission, which quite courageously not only just issued a € 2.7 billion fine against Google, but also prepared to take further EU actions to be taken as Google's horrific frauds & criminal attacks against EU citizens & companies become further explored

    It's time to end this game of Google pretending to be 'just a private company' ... the Google gangster monopolists need to be put down
  3. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Watching it now. Damore still talks as if he works there.

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  4. anonguy says:

    No way this dude was ever going to sign an NDA.

    I like how he was certain none of his friends leaked it, no idea. Get that stipulated.

    This guy is good. Definitely a Revenge of the Nerds deal going on.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Great point. I agree now. That means it goes to discovery!
    (I'm using legal terms. I think I know what they mean....)
  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Wow! I just watched the whole thing. That was the first time I saw James Damore speak (and probably the first time I watched a full Stefan Molyneux video). James Damore strikes me as a highly intelligent, extremely thoughtful and quite decent human being. This might be something approaching a 95 Theses moment. (I have a reasonable grasp of world history, and I’m not sure, but I’m not exaggerating.)

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    This might be something approaching a 95 Theses moment.
     
    As Keith Richards once remarked when people started assuming, that the CIA would try to destroy The Rolling Stones: "Nah, that'd be just too fxxcking big."

    (Just think of the fact, that Luther is the person in world history, who's been written about the most. And think of the 500+ (!) books or longer papers he wrote/ or translated).

    But on a slightly lesser scale, I'd agree with you: "There's something funny going on he said/ I can just feel it in the air".
    (Bob Dylan - "Lilly, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts")

    And as ever, when things like that happen, Hitler is waiting for us all, just around the bend:

    Ms. Aini - very good looking "science expert" for the Guardian - explored this dangerous Damore/Hitler/ Mass-Extiction-territory:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/silicon-valley-weapon-choice-women-google-manifesto-gender-difference-eugenics

  6. donut says:

    Who made our country ? We who took this land and demanded freedom ? Took freedom for themselves ? Neither you nor I . Fools that we are we think that words and “law” will save us and restore our liberties . Blood , the blood of patriots won and triumphed and so we have come to the point that blood only the blood of patriots will restore our liberties . My greatest fear is that we will shrink from spilling the blood of tyrants .

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  7. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonguy
    No way this dude was ever going to sign an NDA.

    I like how he was certain none of his friends leaked it, no idea. Get that stipulated.

    This guy is good. Definitely a Revenge of the Nerds deal going on.

    Great point. I agree now. That means it goes to discovery!
    (I’m using legal terms. I think I know what they mean….)

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  8. Whiskey says: • Website

    I echo Anonymous above, in that Damore does indeed come across as intelligent, thoughtful, and decent. These however are extremely polarizing personality traits in men. Men will likely admire him, particularly more intelligent White men. Women, gays, Black dudes, etc. are likely to HATE HATE HATE him just for those attributes. In the way the ugly hate and envy the beautiful.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Combined with a unhealthy dose of the strong's contempt for the weak.
    , @anonguy

    I echo Anonymous above, in that Damore does indeed come across as intelligent, thoughtful, and decent.
     
    That is his non-threatening beta schtick, which is his best strategy for success. I like that you notice it as "coming across" rather than "is".

    Its a mask. Had me fooled at first, I was thinking, wtf, this dude is as bad as the rest, but you watch him, you start getting tells.

    But he is a smart guy and certainly understands that in no way can he afford a Nazi/racist/mysogynist whatever tag that allows instant/irrevocable demonization. He has to be as above reproach as the Queen, so he has to have a thoroughly SJW compliant demeanor.

    You see him echoing lines he knows he has to say. He is indeed truly something of a man-child, but that is virtually endemic in his generation, bovine growth hormones or something.

    My guess is he is as red-pilled in the same manner you (Whiskey) are. This guy has been all over the PUA blogs. C'mon, Systemic Biology, grad school dork?

    Were I looking to discredit this guy, I'd start trying to unmask some identity of his on some pickup artist blog/forum, etc. See if he ever posted any field reports, better yet videos, etc.

    Regardless of what tracks one may find, and I'm sure he's covered them as best he can, I'll bet he's got some super interesting thoughts on the subject.

    Notice that he could have picked other protected classes, like racial. As well as race being more toxic, my guess is that he just isn't interested in that subject like he is in the woman stuff, he had all that material at his fingertips.

    Probably his PUA stuff was first, out of frustration, which led to maybe alt-rightish views (non-triggeringly coded as "libertarian", dude is an extremist even at that mild term), which finally led to this. He voted Trump, I'd wager.

    Write him some fan mail, Whiskey, he's a kindred spirit of yours.

    , @Roderick Spode
    I nearly fell for this until I read the commenter name.
  9. NickG says:

    I suspect that James Damore has been familiar with Stefan Molyneux’s channel and it’s content for a while, which is itself interesting.

    Damore also name checks Jonathan Haidt, and mentions the diversity training he attended that contained content he disagrees with and that this inspired him to write the piece that got him fired.

    It’s likely he will take legal action. Rather than have this thrashed out in court – which for us would be fun – Google is likely to pay him a nice wedge of hush money.

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    • Replies: @Chriscom
    Yeah my first reaction was, interesting choice for his first interview.

    That choice of course will be added to the smokescreen--and it's a pretty good smokescreen - - to prevent people from hearing what he is saying.
    , @Luke Lea
    "Rather than have this thrashed out in court – which for us would be fun – Google is likely to pay him a nice wedge of hush money.

    For the sake of the cause I hope he does not settle. A trial and the publicity it would be sure to attract -- the mainstream media can resist everything but a good fight between David and Goliath -- would, or could, have tremendous educational value. If it becomes a cause célèbre it might even mark a turning point in our culture. A new Dreyfus affair!

  10. jim jones says:

    Is there any upside for Damore? Is the best outcome for him to get a couple of million dollars in damages?

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    That's a pretty good outcome in and of itself. But he won't have any trouble getting a job either.
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    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    beat me to the Josh Rosen thing, also iSteveish: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/08/school-ap-and-honors-classes-will-be-decided-by-skin-color-not-intelligence.html
  12. @Whiskey
    I echo Anonymous above, in that Damore does indeed come across as intelligent, thoughtful, and decent. These however are extremely polarizing personality traits in men. Men will likely admire him, particularly more intelligent White men. Women, gays, Black dudes, etc. are likely to HATE HATE HATE him just for those attributes. In the way the ugly hate and envy the beautiful.

    Combined with a unhealthy dose of the strong’s contempt for the weak.

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Combined with a unhealthy dose of the strong’s contempt for the weak.
     
    “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.”

    His "stick" are his well thought out arguments. If what Dr. Deborah Soh and Stefan Molyneux say stands firm, he will succeed. Here's a piece of Deborah Soh about Damore in the seemingly decent online Journal "Quillette"

    Dr. Deborah Soh, who has a PhD in sexual neuroscience, writes:

    "As a woman who’s worked in academia and within STEM [Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math], I didn’t find the memo offensive or sexist in the least. I found it to be a well thought out document, asking for greater tolerance for differences in opinion, and treating people as individuals instead of based on group membership.

    Within the field of neuroscience, sex differences between women and men—when it comes to brain structure and function and associated differences in personality and occupational preferences—are understood to be true, because the evidence for them (thousands of studies) is strong. This is not information that’s considered controversial or up for debate; if you tried to argue otherwise, or for purely social influences, you’d be laughed at."
    And yet, as Quillette notes, the memo was misleadingly characterized as a "screed" by tech media outlets, and tech notables such as Ellen K. Pao, famousfor losing a sex discrimination lawsuit against a Silicon Valley venture capital firm that didn't promote her and then resigning as Reddit CEO after alienating its users, called for the memo writer's head.

  13. anonguy says:
    @Whiskey
    I echo Anonymous above, in that Damore does indeed come across as intelligent, thoughtful, and decent. These however are extremely polarizing personality traits in men. Men will likely admire him, particularly more intelligent White men. Women, gays, Black dudes, etc. are likely to HATE HATE HATE him just for those attributes. In the way the ugly hate and envy the beautiful.

    I echo Anonymous above, in that Damore does indeed come across as intelligent, thoughtful, and decent.

    That is his non-threatening beta schtick, which is his best strategy for success. I like that you notice it as “coming across” rather than “is”.

    Its a mask. Had me fooled at first, I was thinking, wtf, this dude is as bad as the rest, but you watch him, you start getting tells.

    But he is a smart guy and certainly understands that in no way can he afford a Nazi/racist/mysogynist whatever tag that allows instant/irrevocable demonization. He has to be as above reproach as the Queen, so he has to have a thoroughly SJW compliant demeanor.

    You see him echoing lines he knows he has to say. He is indeed truly something of a man-child, but that is virtually endemic in his generation, bovine growth hormones or something.

    My guess is he is as red-pilled in the same manner you (Whiskey) are. This guy has been all over the PUA blogs. C’mon, Systemic Biology, grad school dork?

    Were I looking to discredit this guy, I’d start trying to unmask some identity of his on some pickup artist blog/forum, etc. See if he ever posted any field reports, better yet videos, etc.

    Regardless of what tracks one may find, and I’m sure he’s covered them as best he can, I’ll bet he’s got some super interesting thoughts on the subject.

    Notice that he could have picked other protected classes, like racial. As well as race being more toxic, my guess is that he just isn’t interested in that subject like he is in the woman stuff, he had all that material at his fingertips.

    Probably his PUA stuff was first, out of frustration, which led to maybe alt-rightish views (non-triggeringly coded as “libertarian”, dude is an extremist even at that mild term), which finally led to this. He voted Trump, I’d wager.

    Write him some fan mail, Whiskey, he’s a kindred spirit of yours.

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    • Replies: @res
    I wonder if you are right. Did you watch the Jordan Peterson interview? Any thoughts on him having another anonymous Google employee there off screen? Any chance he is recently red pilled and POed about it and being used as a sympathetic face by someone else?

    This might be a good exercise in how good Google can be at breaking someone's online "anonymity." A sufficiently smart person might consider using that as a trap ; )
  14. @academic gossip
    In case Bill Gates still has some money left to spend on his home continent, this might interest him.

    "Given how totalitarian Google has become both ideologically and technologically we need to demand separation of Search and State."

    http://twitter.com/edsonedge/status/894799335052988416
     

    You mean Bill Gates spend money on the Americans who made him a billionaire?

    But how can he Virtue Signal doing that?

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    • Replies: @Travis
    remember when American Billionaires focused their philanthropy on helping Americans...Stephen Girard (the first American Billionaire) left a Trust for the establishment of a boarding school for fatherless boys. Vanderbilt donated his fleet to the union during the Civil War and created Vanderbilt University. Andrew Carnegie built 2,800 libraries in America, founded what became one of the world’s great research universities, endowed one of the nation’s most significant grantmakers, and established charitable organizations that are still active nearly a century after his death.
  15. @Whiskey
    I echo Anonymous above, in that Damore does indeed come across as intelligent, thoughtful, and decent. These however are extremely polarizing personality traits in men. Men will likely admire him, particularly more intelligent White men. Women, gays, Black dudes, etc. are likely to HATE HATE HATE him just for those attributes. In the way the ugly hate and envy the beautiful.

    I nearly fell for this until I read the commenter name.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Just scan for repeated words in CAPITAL CAPITAL CAPITAL letters.
  16. If someone could do this at Facebook then it would end Zuckerbergs presidential ambitions. Zuck and his kin have already revealed themselves as fans of viewpoint monoculture: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/25/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-defacing-black-lives-matter-signs

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  17. James Damore and Stephan Molyneux make an interesting contrast in speaking style. Molyneux has a much higher average syllables/minute rate, with greater variation in speaking speed. Damore, by contrast, speaks ploddingly and reluctantly (feigned?), and remains silent most of the time. In number of words spoken, the breakdown must be something like Damore 10%, Molyneux 90%.

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    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    Stefan Molyneux is just insanely fluent. He can talk off the top of his head on pretty much any topic & at pretty much any length in perfectly formed sentences while barely pausing for breath...it's awe-inspiring.

    Is he a deep thinker? I dunno - but, my God - does he ever have the gift of the gab. (I believe he's of Irish origin).

    His only real rival as an alt-right talking head is Milo.
  18. Brabantian says: • Website
    @academic gossip
    In case Bill Gates still has some money left to spend on his home continent, this might interest him.

    "Given how totalitarian Google has become both ideologically and technologically we need to demand separation of Search and State."

    http://twitter.com/edsonedge/status/894799335052988416
     

    What commenter ‘academic gossip’ quoted there from Twitter user @edsonedge

    we need to demand separation of Search and State

    is not just a worthy clever quip … It is an agenda of the Trump White House, where Steve Bannon has launched an initiative to terminate Google’s ugly role as a politically-biased & criminal private monopoly, and to make Google search & Facebook into public utilities under open direct public regulation … Bannon needs to add the intel-agency propaganda Trojan Horse site, the oily ‘Wikipedia’, to that list

    Steve Bannon is in concert with the European Commission, which quite courageously not only just issued a € 2.7 billion fine against Google, but also prepared to take further EU actions to be taken as Google’s horrific frauds & criminal attacks against EU citizens & companies become further explored

    It’s time to end this game of Google pretending to be ‘just a private company’ … the Google gangster monopolists need to be put down

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  19. eah says:

    more or less true…imo

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  20. Very OT–an Indian Muslim won’t celebrate India’s independence because conquerors, particularly Muslims, have been such a drag, enforcing his “motherland’s amputation” in the end.

    One thing that startled me:

    - From the 16th century onwards, it was the turn of the Europeans, who ostensibly came for trade, but reduced India from being one of the most prosperous places on earth, to one of the poorest.

    Is that true? Wikipedia seems to corroborate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_India#Declining_share_of_world_GDP

    I always though that historians would argue about whether the Raj was a net gain or drain to the British taxpayer.

    http://m.torontosun.com/2017/08/08/why-i-wont-celebrate-indias-independence

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    • Replies: @Nico
    One has to be careful comparing decline of share of world GDP, since Western output accelerated so rapidly from the late 17th century on.

    However, it wouldn't surprise me if Indian living standards declined overall during the 18th and early 19th centuries. You have to keep in mind that at this point they were ruled by the East India Company and that until about 160 years ago "seaman" was basically synonymous with "pirate": the EIC was little more than a band of formally licensed and nominally crown-subjected privateers. Britain could not fully subvert and channel its homegrown naval power unti the mid-1850s; this explains how they could lose their American colonies well *before* their peak in geopolitical and economic power both relative and absolute.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    China and India were IIRC the richest economies on earth back in the day, but their share of world GDP was bound to decline given the industrial revolution in the UK/Europe/US.

    It wasn't so much that India became poor, as that Britain got terribly rich (of course the poor in both countries stayed poor, and a fair chunk of the Indian rich saw Europeans take their wealth - Koh-i-Noor for example). The Brits did try to get things going in India, but that chap who wrote 'the Son Also Rises' described how modern textile mills in India just couldn't achieve UK productivity. They've cracked it now though!

    We're seeing the reverse take place now, as we deindustrialise and China in particular becomes the workshop of the world. If you'd told a Brit sixty years back that most UK steelworks, Land Rover and Jaguar cars would be owned by Indians, he'd have thought you mad.

    , @White American
    What does any of this have to do with Toronto?
  21. Nobody else has noted this yet, but James Damore and Stephan Molyneux make an interesting contrast in speaking style. Molyneux has a much higher average syllables/minute rate, with greater variation in speaking speed. Damore, by contrast, speaks ploddingly and reluctantly (feigned?), and remains silent most of the time. In number of words spoken, the breakdown must be something like Damore 10%, Molyneux 90%.

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  22. Nico says:
    @theo the kraut
    Very OT--an Indian Muslim won't celebrate India's independence because conquerors, particularly Muslims, have been such a drag, enforcing his "motherland’s amputation" in the end.

    One thing that startled me:

    - From the 16th century onwards, it was the turn of the Europeans, who ostensibly came for trade, but reduced India from being one of the most prosperous places on earth, to one of the poorest.

    Is that true? Wikipedia seems to corroborate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_India#Declining_share_of_world_GDP

    I always though that historians would argue about whether the Raj was a net gain or drain to the British taxpayer.

    http://m.torontosun.com/2017/08/08/why-i-wont-celebrate-indias-independence

    One has to be careful comparing decline of share of world GDP, since Western output accelerated so rapidly from the late 17th century on.

    However, it wouldn’t surprise me if Indian living standards declined overall during the 18th and early 19th centuries. You have to keep in mind that at this point they were ruled by the East India Company and that until about 160 years ago “seaman” was basically synonymous with “pirate”: the EIC was little more than a band of formally licensed and nominally crown-subjected privateers. Britain could not fully subvert and channel its homegrown naval power unti the mid-1850s; this explains how they could lose their American colonies well *before* their peak in geopolitical and economic power both relative and absolute.

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  23. @Anonymous
    Wow! I just watched the whole thing. That was the first time I saw James Damore speak (and probably the first time I watched a full Stefan Molyneux video). James Damore strikes me as a highly intelligent, extremely thoughtful and quite decent human being. This might be something approaching a 95 Theses moment. (I have a reasonable grasp of world history, and I'm not sure, but I'm not exaggerating.)

    This might be something approaching a 95 Theses moment.

    As Keith Richards once remarked when people started assuming, that the CIA would try to destroy The Rolling Stones: “Nah, that’d be just too fxxcking big.”

    (Just think of the fact, that Luther is the person in world history, who’s been written about the most. And think of the 500+ (!) books or longer papers he wrote/ or translated).

    But on a slightly lesser scale, I’d agree with you: “There’s something funny going on he said/ I can just feel it in the air”.
    (Bob Dylan – “Lilly, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts”)

    And as ever, when things like that happen, Hitler is waiting for us all, just around the bend:

    Ms. Aini – very good looking “science expert” for the Guardian – explored this dangerous Damore/Hitler/ Mass-Extiction-territory:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/silicon-valley-weapon-choice-women-google-manifesto-gender-difference-eugenics

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    • Replies: @Nico

    Ms. Aini – very good looking “science expert” for the Guardian – explored this dangerous Damore/Hitler/ Mass-Extiction-territory
     
    She needs to get laid.
    , @ic1000
    Thanks for the link to Angela Saini's Comment-Is-Free essay at the Guardian, Silicon Valley’s weapon of choice against women: shoddy science. It serves as a woke science journalist's rebuttal to the points Scott Alexander made the same day in his discussion of Adam Grant's takedown of Damore.

    The best context for these contrasting articles is Steve's recent post Laird Wilcox on Ritual Defamation. Saini's Laird Score may not be perfect, but it's darned high.

    Apparently when Damore's Google Doc was first published, Gizmodo's editors stripped out its hyperlinks. Whether by design or copy/paste clumsiness, this was an excellent move in tilting the playing field towards Saini. The less one knows, the more persuasive are her accepted-wisdom arguments.
    , @Autochthon
    I was going to read the nonsense by this ostensibly British journalist Angela Saini (she is quite swarthy for a Briton; it must be far sunnier there these days than it was in the past; in any event I don't think any Sainis are in the Domesday Book...) but I was of course distracted by the latest news of overtly genocidal rape.

    Another lot of (actual) British girls, aged thieteen to twenty-five have been raped by fellow Britons Habibur Rahim, Abdul Sabe, Badrul Hussain, and Mohibur Rahman. My favourite gems from
    the reporting:

    An eighteen-year-old victim fell asleep while intoxicated by mephedrone.... She awoke to her find herself on a bed with her trousers down, Rahim next to her, and a wardrobe against the door. She said Rahim told her: “We just done it.” He was convicted of rape.

    Rahim argued that all of the witnesses testifying against him were liars, that the police were racist and that he was a victim.

    Badrul Hussain – who was found guilty of providing premises for drug supply – was caught traveling on public transport without a ticket. The female ticket inspector claimed that he shouted at her: “All white women are only good for one thing. For men like me to fuck and use like trash. That’s all women like you are worth.”
     
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  24. Zogby says:

    Employees that don’t like their company’s policies should find another place of work.

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    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    You are way behind the times.

    If women don't like the Bro Culture in a company you will get into lots of trouble advising them to get out of the kitchen.

    If gays do not like the egregiously heterosexual culture in a company you will be in a lot of trouble if you suggest they leave the company.

    It is a solid Labor Law principle that people should not be forced to destroy their livelihood because they don't like the culture in a company.
  25. @Desiderius
    Combined with a unhealthy dose of the strong's contempt for the weak.

    Combined with a unhealthy dose of the strong’s contempt for the weak.

    “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.”

    His “stick” are his well thought out arguments. If what Dr. Deborah Soh and Stefan Molyneux say stands firm, he will succeed. Here’s a piece of Deborah Soh about Damore in the seemingly decent online Journal “Quillette”

    Dr. Deborah Soh, who has a PhD in sexual neuroscience, writes:

    “As a woman who’s worked in academia and within STEM [Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math], I didn’t find the memo offensive or sexist in the least. I found it to be a well thought out document, asking for greater tolerance for differences in opinion, and treating people as individuals instead of based on group membership.

    Within the field of neuroscience, sex differences between women and men—when it comes to brain structure and function and associated differences in personality and occupational preferences—are understood to be true, because the evidence for them (thousands of studies) is strong. This is not information that’s considered controversial or up for debate; if you tried to argue otherwise, or for purely social influences, you’d be laughed at.”
    And yet, as Quillette notes, the memo was misleadingly characterized as a “screed” by tech media outlets, and tech notables such as Ellen K. Pao, famousfor losing a sex discrimination lawsuit against a Silicon Valley venture capital firm that didn’t promote her and then resigning as Reddit CEO after alienating its users, called for the memo writer’s head.

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    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond/

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/no-the-google-manifesto-isnt-sexist-or-anti-diversity-its-science/article35903359/

  26. Nico says:
    @Dieter Kief

    This might be something approaching a 95 Theses moment.
     
    As Keith Richards once remarked when people started assuming, that the CIA would try to destroy The Rolling Stones: "Nah, that'd be just too fxxcking big."

    (Just think of the fact, that Luther is the person in world history, who's been written about the most. And think of the 500+ (!) books or longer papers he wrote/ or translated).

    But on a slightly lesser scale, I'd agree with you: "There's something funny going on he said/ I can just feel it in the air".
    (Bob Dylan - "Lilly, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts")

    And as ever, when things like that happen, Hitler is waiting for us all, just around the bend:

    Ms. Aini - very good looking "science expert" for the Guardian - explored this dangerous Damore/Hitler/ Mass-Extiction-territory:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/silicon-valley-weapon-choice-women-google-manifesto-gender-difference-eugenics

    Ms. Aini – very good looking “science expert” for the Guardian – explored this dangerous Damore/Hitler/ Mass-Extiction-territory

    She needs to get laid.

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  27. “In general, I just really like understanding things.”

    There’s your problem right there, Mr. Damore.

    No, I’m not being cute. The honest and sincere effort to understand (certain) things will get you in trouble in the day and age we live in. And the people attacking you will be the ones who claim to value reason, unlike those religious dummies who base their views on emotion (We wouldn’t want that now, would we?)

    This whole disaster has made that spectacularly clear. Uncomfortably clear.

    This is why truth-seeking requires a certain amount of “being on the spectrum.” You have to be indifferent to social pressure to push ahead. This whole thing is one gigantic exercise in coordinated peer pressure.

    People with Autism, You are our only hope!

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  28. This is huge. There is of course much more going on here than gender or other minority status. Google doesn’t care about that; they’re in business to make a profit. This is about power and keeping the employees isolated and angry so that they’ll never stick up for each other.

    A legal precedent that people can complain openly about diversity policies without fear of retaliation would be a watershed.

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  29. ic1000 says:
    @Dieter Kief

    This might be something approaching a 95 Theses moment.
     
    As Keith Richards once remarked when people started assuming, that the CIA would try to destroy The Rolling Stones: "Nah, that'd be just too fxxcking big."

    (Just think of the fact, that Luther is the person in world history, who's been written about the most. And think of the 500+ (!) books or longer papers he wrote/ or translated).

    But on a slightly lesser scale, I'd agree with you: "There's something funny going on he said/ I can just feel it in the air".
    (Bob Dylan - "Lilly, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts")

    And as ever, when things like that happen, Hitler is waiting for us all, just around the bend:

    Ms. Aini - very good looking "science expert" for the Guardian - explored this dangerous Damore/Hitler/ Mass-Extiction-territory:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/silicon-valley-weapon-choice-women-google-manifesto-gender-difference-eugenics

    Thanks for the link to Angela Saini’s Comment-Is-Free essay at the Guardian, Silicon Valley’s weapon of choice against women: shoddy science. It serves as a woke science journalist’s rebuttal to the points Scott Alexander made the same day in his discussion of Adam Grant’s takedown of Damore.

    The best context for these contrasting articles is Steve’s recent post Laird Wilcox on Ritual Defamation. Saini’s Laird Score may not be perfect, but it’s darned high.

    Apparently when Damore’s Google Doc was first published, Gizmodo’s editors stripped out its hyperlinks. Whether by design or copy/paste clumsiness, this was an excellent move in tilting the playing field towards Saini. The less one knows, the more persuasive are her accepted-wisdom arguments.

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    Two days after I've read Saini's piece I'm still a bit aroused if I start thinking about it. The authoritarian approach (nobody should be allowed to think like Damore - therefor: Believe me: This is not sience, what he is talking about, and there's no need to prove this, because we all know it already - uuuhu), - and all that in sweet well-mindedness (opportunism).
    (Could be, she doesn't know any better. That would be the best excuse (it then would be the Guardian's responsibility to decide about the subjects she should write about).
  30. Clyde says:

    Before working at Google, Damore was a researcher at Princeton, Harvard and MIT, according to his CV and Linkedin profile.

    He published two research papers while working at Jeff Gore’s biophysics laboratory at MIT in 2011 and 2012: “Understanding microbial cooperation” and “A slowly evolving host moves first in symbiotic interactions.” http://heavy.com/tech/2017/08/james-damore-google-diversity-memo/

    I hope he has some really good pro-bono legal talent that is willing to tangle with the googoo swamp boys. Microsoft should fund them a la Peter Thiel. I sure would.
    ______________

    from today’s biz insider a liberal site:

    Peter Thiel’s support of Donald Trump caused friction in the Facebook boardroom.

    That’s because Netflix CEO Reed Hastings, who, like Thiel is a member of Facebook’s board, chastised Thiel for supporting then-Presidential candidate Trump, according to a report in The New York Times.

    Hastings went so far as to give Thiel a bad grade, citing poor judgment, while carrying out his official duties of assessing fellow board members.

    Hastings, who supported Hillary Clinton in the presidential election, is the chairman of the Facebook board committee tasked with judging the performance of the board directors.

    An e-mail from Hastings to Thiel, obtained by the newspaper, reads in part:

    “I’m so mystified by your endorsement of Trump for our President, that for me it moves from ‘different judgment’ to ‘bad judgment.’ Some diversity in views is healthy, but catastrophically bad judgment (in my view) is not what anyone wants in a fellow board member.”

    In the summer of 2016, Thiel took the stage at the Republican National Convention to express his support for Trump — support that earned him the ire of many in the largely left-leaning Silicon Valley.

    Both Thiel and Hastings remain on Facebook’s board. Spokespeople for Facebook, Netflix, and Thiel did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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  31. Cagey Beast says: • Website

    The Toronto Globe & Mail (!!!!) ran an opinion piece in support of James Damore. Remarkable. I think a lot of people want off the crazy train and are jumping at the chance to debate this.

    No, the Google manifesto isn’t sexist or anti-diversity. It’s science

    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/no-the-google-manifesto-isnt-sexist-or-anti-diversity-its-science/article35903359/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

    On the other side was this tweet underneath Dr. Soh’s own linking to her G&W email. I really, really love the hot new trend of white collar women being all badass and potty-mouthed. Their faux tough guy act makes life a little sweeter for us all.

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  32. Travis says:
    @RobertTaylor
    You mean Bill Gates spend money on the Americans who made him a billionaire?

    But how can he Virtue Signal doing that?

    remember when American Billionaires focused their philanthropy on helping Americans…Stephen Girard (the first American Billionaire) left a Trust for the establishment of a boarding school for fatherless boys. Vanderbilt donated his fleet to the union during the Civil War and created Vanderbilt University. Andrew Carnegie built 2,800 libraries in America, founded what became one of the world’s great research universities, endowed one of the nation’s most significant grantmakers, and established charitable organizations that are still active nearly a century after his death.

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    remember when American Billionaires focused their philanthropy on helping Americans…Stephen Girard (the first American Billionaire) left a Trust for the establishment of a boarding school for fatherless boys
     
    Fatherless white boys, to be exact.
  33. James and Stefan’s video is the #9 trending video on YouTube. Do what you can to spread it.

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  34. Chriscom says:
    @NickG
    I suspect that James Damore has been familiar with Stefan Molyneux's channel and it's content for a while, which is itself interesting.

    Damore also name checks Jonathan Haidt, and mentions the diversity training he attended that contained content he disagrees with and that this inspired him to write the piece that got him fired.

    It's likely he will take legal action. Rather than have this thrashed out in court - which for us would be fun - Google is likely to pay him a nice wedge of hush money.

    Yeah my first reaction was, interesting choice for his first interview.

    That choice of course will be added to the smokescreen–and it’s a pretty good smokescreen – – to prevent people from hearing what he is saying.

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  35. Whitney says:

    I don’t know who’s Stefan Molyneux is but I found him so annoying that I could not listen to that. But I’ll definitely listen to Jordan Peterson interview Damore. I don’t find Peterson annoying at all and I have no idea how I feel about Damore because Molyneux would never shut up

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    • Replies: @Paul Yarbles
    I don't think it is Molyneux being overly chatty. Damore is just a very quiet guy. Peterson talks most of the time in his interview too.
  36. to understand the tech side of Silicon Valley you have to understand javascript. You need an incredible depth of knowledge to work with javascript at the level these tech companies do. There are elements of the language itself – promises, callbacks, functions as objects, closure, scope of variables. Add to that the dense syntax of the language. Then you have function libraries like jQuery, source code repositories Github, the browser and the DOM, HTML and CSS. Add on nodeJs and all that is happening with server based javascript. The list of topics just goes on and on.

    Here is video on the latest in chrome developer tools. ( in your browser press F12 to see developer tools in action. )

    https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2017/05/devtools-release-notes

    The point is there is no way any more than a small fraction of women are going to be able to function in the tech world of computer software. Maybe back in the day of Grace Hopper. The work now just takes far too much time. Both to learn and then write actual code.

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  37. MEH 0910 says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Combined with a unhealthy dose of the strong’s contempt for the weak.
     
    “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.”

    His "stick" are his well thought out arguments. If what Dr. Deborah Soh and Stefan Molyneux say stands firm, he will succeed. Here's a piece of Deborah Soh about Damore in the seemingly decent online Journal "Quillette"

    Dr. Deborah Soh, who has a PhD in sexual neuroscience, writes:

    "As a woman who’s worked in academia and within STEM [Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math], I didn’t find the memo offensive or sexist in the least. I found it to be a well thought out document, asking for greater tolerance for differences in opinion, and treating people as individuals instead of based on group membership.

    Within the field of neuroscience, sex differences between women and men—when it comes to brain structure and function and associated differences in personality and occupational preferences—are understood to be true, because the evidence for them (thousands of studies) is strong. This is not information that’s considered controversial or up for debate; if you tried to argue otherwise, or for purely social influences, you’d be laughed at."
    And yet, as Quillette notes, the memo was misleadingly characterized as a "screed" by tech media outlets, and tech notables such as Ellen K. Pao, famousfor losing a sex discrimination lawsuit against a Silicon Valley venture capital firm that didn't promote her and then resigning as Reddit CEO after alienating its users, called for the memo writer's head.

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  38. Charlie_U says:

    I hope Damore’s room is tidy. It will need to be if he’s planning on speaking to Peterson.

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  39. @Roderick Spode
    I nearly fell for this until I read the commenter name.

    Just scan for repeated words in CAPITAL CAPITAL CAPITAL letters.

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  40. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    OT: Sorry, but so iStevey:

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20284353/josh-rosen-ucla-bruins-says-football-school-go-together-ponders-alabama-success-sat-requirement-raised
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  41. @theo the kraut
    Very OT--an Indian Muslim won't celebrate India's independence because conquerors, particularly Muslims, have been such a drag, enforcing his "motherland’s amputation" in the end.

    One thing that startled me:

    - From the 16th century onwards, it was the turn of the Europeans, who ostensibly came for trade, but reduced India from being one of the most prosperous places on earth, to one of the poorest.

    Is that true? Wikipedia seems to corroborate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_India#Declining_share_of_world_GDP

    I always though that historians would argue about whether the Raj was a net gain or drain to the British taxpayer.

    http://m.torontosun.com/2017/08/08/why-i-wont-celebrate-indias-independence

    China and India were IIRC the richest economies on earth back in the day, but their share of world GDP was bound to decline given the industrial revolution in the UK/Europe/US.

    It wasn’t so much that India became poor, as that Britain got terribly rich (of course the poor in both countries stayed poor, and a fair chunk of the Indian rich saw Europeans take their wealth – Koh-i-Noor for example). The Brits did try to get things going in India, but that chap who wrote ‘the Son Also Rises’ described how modern textile mills in India just couldn’t achieve UK productivity. They’ve cracked it now though!

    We’re seeing the reverse take place now, as we deindustrialise and China in particular becomes the workshop of the world. If you’d told a Brit sixty years back that most UK steelworks, Land Rover and Jaguar cars would be owned by Indians, he’d have thought you mad.

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  42. AndrewR says:
    @jim jones
    Is there any upside for Damore? Is the best outcome for him to get a couple of million dollars in damages?

    That’s a pretty good outcome in and of itself. But he won’t have any trouble getting a job either.

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    • Replies: @Marty
    If he doesn't have any trouble getting a job, then he's got no damages, and there's nothing for Google to settle. In California wrongful discharge lies almost exclusively in contract, not tort, so there's no recovery for emotional distress, hurt feelings, or loss of reputation - your measure of recovery is the difference in expected earnings between the lost position and the replacement. (Discrimination actions are an exception, but he doesn't fall into a recognized protected class). Actually, on an Alt-Right analysis, he's a victim of religious discrimination, a recognized category, but no way the woman-dominated Cal. Supreme Court will ever recognize radical feminism as a religion.
  43. @Dieter Kief

    This might be something approaching a 95 Theses moment.
     
    As Keith Richards once remarked when people started assuming, that the CIA would try to destroy The Rolling Stones: "Nah, that'd be just too fxxcking big."

    (Just think of the fact, that Luther is the person in world history, who's been written about the most. And think of the 500+ (!) books or longer papers he wrote/ or translated).

    But on a slightly lesser scale, I'd agree with you: "There's something funny going on he said/ I can just feel it in the air".
    (Bob Dylan - "Lilly, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts")

    And as ever, when things like that happen, Hitler is waiting for us all, just around the bend:

    Ms. Aini - very good looking "science expert" for the Guardian - explored this dangerous Damore/Hitler/ Mass-Extiction-territory:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/silicon-valley-weapon-choice-women-google-manifesto-gender-difference-eugenics

    I was going to read the nonsense by this ostensibly British journalist Angela Saini (she is quite swarthy for a Briton; it must be far sunnier there these days than it was in the past; in any event I don’t think any Sainis are in the Domesday Book…) but I was of course distracted by the latest news of overtly genocidal rape.

    Another lot of (actual) British girls, aged thieteen to twenty-five have been raped by fellow Britons Habibur Rahim, Abdul Sabe, Badrul Hussain, and Mohibur Rahman. My favourite gems from
    the reporting:

    An eighteen-year-old victim fell asleep while intoxicated by mephedrone…. She awoke to her find herself on a bed with her trousers down, Rahim next to her, and a wardrobe against the door. She said Rahim told her: “We just done it.” He was convicted of rape.

    Rahim argued that all of the witnesses testifying against him were liars, that the police were racist and that he was a victim.

    Badrul Hussain – who was found guilty of providing premises for drug supply – was caught traveling on public transport without a ticket. The female ticket inspector claimed that he shouted at her: “All white women are only good for one thing. For men like me to fuck and use like trash. That’s all women like you are worth.”

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    Angela Saini (she is quite swarthy for a Briton; it must be far sunnier there these days than it was in the past
     
    *Eye roll* climate change, current year etc
  44. Cagey Beast says: • Website

    OT but don’t these three look like heavy hitters in the the Trump White House? In those suits they’d blend in with Corey Lewandowski, Jared Kushner and Stephen Miller.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Great band! Too bad The Jam were never as successful as The Clash, at least in the USA!
    The Jam's frontman, Paul Weller went on to have a long and fruitful musical career.
    Whenever I listen to this song, my mind travels back to a posh pub in Mayfair, London, where I played it again and again on the jukebox. Those were the times.
  45. @theo the kraut
    Very OT--an Indian Muslim won't celebrate India's independence because conquerors, particularly Muslims, have been such a drag, enforcing his "motherland’s amputation" in the end.

    One thing that startled me:

    - From the 16th century onwards, it was the turn of the Europeans, who ostensibly came for trade, but reduced India from being one of the most prosperous places on earth, to one of the poorest.

    Is that true? Wikipedia seems to corroborate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_India#Declining_share_of_world_GDP

    I always though that historians would argue about whether the Raj was a net gain or drain to the British taxpayer.

    http://m.torontosun.com/2017/08/08/why-i-wont-celebrate-indias-independence

    What does any of this have to do with Toronto?

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  46. James Damore is pretty close to Joey Ramone.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Mr. Programmer, I got my hammer." Yeah, about right.

    (I was going to make a joke about J.D. being a cross between Joey Ramone and Napoleon Dynamite, and about that being pretty much par for the course here, but... I'm not so into golf myself...)
  47. res says:
    @anonguy

    I echo Anonymous above, in that Damore does indeed come across as intelligent, thoughtful, and decent.
     
    That is his non-threatening beta schtick, which is his best strategy for success. I like that you notice it as "coming across" rather than "is".

    Its a mask. Had me fooled at first, I was thinking, wtf, this dude is as bad as the rest, but you watch him, you start getting tells.

    But he is a smart guy and certainly understands that in no way can he afford a Nazi/racist/mysogynist whatever tag that allows instant/irrevocable demonization. He has to be as above reproach as the Queen, so he has to have a thoroughly SJW compliant demeanor.

    You see him echoing lines he knows he has to say. He is indeed truly something of a man-child, but that is virtually endemic in his generation, bovine growth hormones or something.

    My guess is he is as red-pilled in the same manner you (Whiskey) are. This guy has been all over the PUA blogs. C'mon, Systemic Biology, grad school dork?

    Were I looking to discredit this guy, I'd start trying to unmask some identity of his on some pickup artist blog/forum, etc. See if he ever posted any field reports, better yet videos, etc.

    Regardless of what tracks one may find, and I'm sure he's covered them as best he can, I'll bet he's got some super interesting thoughts on the subject.

    Notice that he could have picked other protected classes, like racial. As well as race being more toxic, my guess is that he just isn't interested in that subject like he is in the woman stuff, he had all that material at his fingertips.

    Probably his PUA stuff was first, out of frustration, which led to maybe alt-rightish views (non-triggeringly coded as "libertarian", dude is an extremist even at that mild term), which finally led to this. He voted Trump, I'd wager.

    Write him some fan mail, Whiskey, he's a kindred spirit of yours.

    I wonder if you are right. Did you watch the Jordan Peterson interview? Any thoughts on him having another anonymous Google employee there off screen? Any chance he is recently red pilled and POed about it and being used as a sympathetic face by someone else?

    This might be a good exercise in how good Google can be at breaking someone’s online “anonymity.” A sufficiently smart person might consider using that as a trap ; )

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    I wonder if you are right. Did you watch the Jordan Peterson interview?
     
    No, but maybe I'll look.

    Here is another tell on the the guy. He said he put together a ten page document on female vs. male behavior with links, graphs, more or less a paper ready for a scientific journal as well as legally defensible within his labor law strategy. And all he talks about is discussions to improve workplace conditions, that is his sole goal.

    Which, I might admit, is a very clever non-obvious strategy. Kudos to him for seeing the potential there.

    He said he put it together during a 12 hour flight. If he did that, he definitely wasn't coming off a standing start.

    He's been on it. I'll bet he's been studying woman deeply for a long time. He's a young guy, not too bad looking, but aspergy. A biologist.

    How many pieces of the puzzle are necessary.

    Notice he said something at least twice about super secret Google HR meetings but pointedly did not mention what goes on in them. I'm sure he is somehow bound by some other agreement on what goes on in those, but not on the existence of the meetings themselves.

    Bank on that one.

    Everything he is doing is calculated. And he's doing a bang up job. Doesn't surprise me that his side produces a Clock Boy as effective, so far, as this one.

  48. We regret to inform you that your bigoted views are not in accord with the views of the designers of the software in this car:

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  49. DWright says:

    In his interview with Molyneux he parrots some of Peterson’s often repeated observations.
    One is the Liberal is open minded and Conservatives are more resistant to change. Says it in a way that you knew they weren’t his words. That is ok given his youth and situation.

    Peterson is not so general in these observations and knows damn well how really open to ideas liberals really are if they don’t hold to their commie and post modern beliefs.

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  50. @Travis
    remember when American Billionaires focused their philanthropy on helping Americans...Stephen Girard (the first American Billionaire) left a Trust for the establishment of a boarding school for fatherless boys. Vanderbilt donated his fleet to the union during the Civil War and created Vanderbilt University. Andrew Carnegie built 2,800 libraries in America, founded what became one of the world’s great research universities, endowed one of the nation’s most significant grantmakers, and established charitable organizations that are still active nearly a century after his death.

    remember when American Billionaires focused their philanthropy on helping Americans…Stephen Girard (the first American Billionaire) left a Trust for the establishment of a boarding school for fatherless boys

    Fatherless white boys, to be exact.

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    True, I suppose his philanthropy would be considered a hate crime today.
  51. Lurker says:
    @Autochthon
    I was going to read the nonsense by this ostensibly British journalist Angela Saini (she is quite swarthy for a Briton; it must be far sunnier there these days than it was in the past; in any event I don't think any Sainis are in the Domesday Book...) but I was of course distracted by the latest news of overtly genocidal rape.

    Another lot of (actual) British girls, aged thieteen to twenty-five have been raped by fellow Britons Habibur Rahim, Abdul Sabe, Badrul Hussain, and Mohibur Rahman. My favourite gems from
    the reporting:

    An eighteen-year-old victim fell asleep while intoxicated by mephedrone.... She awoke to her find herself on a bed with her trousers down, Rahim next to her, and a wardrobe against the door. She said Rahim told her: “We just done it.” He was convicted of rape.

    Rahim argued that all of the witnesses testifying against him were liars, that the police were racist and that he was a victim.

    Badrul Hussain – who was found guilty of providing premises for drug supply – was caught traveling on public transport without a ticket. The female ticket inspector claimed that he shouted at her: “All white women are only good for one thing. For men like me to fuck and use like trash. That’s all women like you are worth.”
     
    .

    Angela Saini (she is quite swarthy for a Briton; it must be far sunnier there these days than it was in the past

    *Eye roll* climate change, current year etc

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  52. BB753 says:
    @Cagey Beast
    OT but don't these three look like heavy hitters in the the Trump White House? In those suits they'd blend in with Corey Lewandowski, Jared Kushner and Stephen Miller.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubxYYzYNP84

    Great band! Too bad The Jam were never as successful as The Clash, at least in the USA!
    The Jam’s frontman, Paul Weller went on to have a long and fruitful musical career.
    Whenever I listen to this song, my mind travels back to a posh pub in Mayfair, London, where I played it again and again on the jukebox. Those were the times.

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  53. @Nico

    Ms. Aini – very good looking “science expert” for the Guardian – explored this dangerous Damore/Hitler/ Mass-Extiction-territory
     
    She needs to get laid.

    Go ahead. Help her out.

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  54. @Zogby
    Employees that don't like their company's policies should find another place of work.

    You are way behind the times.

    If women don’t like the Bro Culture in a company you will get into lots of trouble advising them to get out of the kitchen.

    If gays do not like the egregiously heterosexual culture in a company you will be in a lot of trouble if you suggest they leave the company.

    It is a solid Labor Law principle that people should not be forced to destroy their livelihood because they don’t like the culture in a company.

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    Not to mention that people might actually like the places they work and want to improve them, to help them function better and accomplish the things they're trying to do.

    If the only possible response to seeing your employer make a mistake is to leave their employment... a whole lot of businesses are going to fail.
  55. Vinteuil says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    James Damore and Stephan Molyneux make an interesting contrast in speaking style. Molyneux has a much higher average syllables/minute rate, with greater variation in speaking speed. Damore, by contrast, speaks ploddingly and reluctantly (feigned?), and remains silent most of the time. In number of words spoken, the breakdown must be something like Damore 10%, Molyneux 90%.

    Stefan Molyneux is just insanely fluent. He can talk off the top of his head on pretty much any topic & at pretty much any length in perfectly formed sentences while barely pausing for breath…it’s awe-inspiring.

    Is he a deep thinker? I dunno – but, my God – does he ever have the gift of the gab. (I believe he’s of Irish origin).

    His only real rival as an alt-right talking head is Milo.

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  56. anonguy says:
    @res
    I wonder if you are right. Did you watch the Jordan Peterson interview? Any thoughts on him having another anonymous Google employee there off screen? Any chance he is recently red pilled and POed about it and being used as a sympathetic face by someone else?

    This might be a good exercise in how good Google can be at breaking someone's online "anonymity." A sufficiently smart person might consider using that as a trap ; )

    I wonder if you are right. Did you watch the Jordan Peterson interview?

    No, but maybe I’ll look.

    Here is another tell on the the guy. He said he put together a ten page document on female vs. male behavior with links, graphs, more or less a paper ready for a scientific journal as well as legally defensible within his labor law strategy. And all he talks about is discussions to improve workplace conditions, that is his sole goal.

    Which, I might admit, is a very clever non-obvious strategy. Kudos to him for seeing the potential there.

    He said he put it together during a 12 hour flight. If he did that, he definitely wasn’t coming off a standing start.

    He’s been on it. I’ll bet he’s been studying woman deeply for a long time. He’s a young guy, not too bad looking, but aspergy. A biologist.

    How many pieces of the puzzle are necessary.

    Notice he said something at least twice about super secret Google HR meetings but pointedly did not mention what goes on in them. I’m sure he is somehow bound by some other agreement on what goes on in those, but not on the existence of the meetings themselves.

    Bank on that one.

    Everything he is doing is calculated. And he’s doing a bang up job. Doesn’t surprise me that his side produces a Clock Boy as effective, so far, as this one.

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    One thing that undermines that theory though is his apparent willingness to go on Molyneux's show at all. Molyneux's style of interviewing is the harshest I've seen of any talkshow host. He regularly cross-examines his guests as if they were on trial and is adept at goading people into spitting out what they are reluctant to say or talk about. That would not be a good venue to expose yourself to if your goal was to put up some kind of scripted PR front for your grand strategy.

    In fact, why would someone want to go on record at all and risk torpedoing a million-dollar lawsuit if they were inducing their company to illegally fire them for the sole purpose of later suing? It would be like robbing a bank and stopping by McDonald's during the getaway. It's superfluous to the plan, you can do it later under much safer circumstances and the risks so outweigh the rewards that it really can't be a rational choice.

  57. @Cagey Beast
    The Toronto Globe & Mail (!!!!) ran an opinion piece in support of James Damore. Remarkable. I think a lot of people want off the crazy train and are jumping at the chance to debate this.

    No, the Google manifesto isn’t sexist or anti-diversity. It’s science
    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/no-the-google-manifesto-isnt-sexist-or-anti-diversity-its-science/article35903359/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&


    On the other side was this tweet underneath Dr. Soh's own linking to her G&W email. I really, really love the hot new trend of white collar women being all badass and potty-mouthed. Their faux tough guy act makes life a little sweeter for us all.

    https://twitter.com/SamanthaZY/status/895105680323072000

    I agree concerning Soh. She ‘s straightforward.

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  58. Luke Lea says:
    @NickG
    I suspect that James Damore has been familiar with Stefan Molyneux's channel and it's content for a while, which is itself interesting.

    Damore also name checks Jonathan Haidt, and mentions the diversity training he attended that contained content he disagrees with and that this inspired him to write the piece that got him fired.

    It's likely he will take legal action. Rather than have this thrashed out in court - which for us would be fun - Google is likely to pay him a nice wedge of hush money.

    “Rather than have this thrashed out in court – which for us would be fun – Google is likely to pay him a nice wedge of hush money.

    For the sake of the cause I hope he does not settle. A trial and the publicity it would be sure to attract — the mainstream media can resist everything but a good fight between David and Goliath — would, or could, have tremendous educational value. If it becomes a cause célèbre it might even mark a turning point in our culture. A new Dreyfus affair!

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    His attorney will have no interest in continuing once an offer is on the table. Can he represent himself and look good? It would be difficult for anybody.
  59. MarkinLA says:
    @Luke Lea
    "Rather than have this thrashed out in court – which for us would be fun – Google is likely to pay him a nice wedge of hush money.

    For the sake of the cause I hope he does not settle. A trial and the publicity it would be sure to attract -- the mainstream media can resist everything but a good fight between David and Goliath -- would, or could, have tremendous educational value. If it becomes a cause célèbre it might even mark a turning point in our culture. A new Dreyfus affair!

    His attorney will have no interest in continuing once an offer is on the table. Can he represent himself and look good? It would be difficult for anybody.

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  60. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Steve, though a tad off-topic I just noticed that you are getting a lot of free air-time (so to speak) in Rod Dreher’s blog over there at the American Conservative.

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  61. @ic1000
    Thanks for the link to Angela Saini's Comment-Is-Free essay at the Guardian, Silicon Valley’s weapon of choice against women: shoddy science. It serves as a woke science journalist's rebuttal to the points Scott Alexander made the same day in his discussion of Adam Grant's takedown of Damore.

    The best context for these contrasting articles is Steve's recent post Laird Wilcox on Ritual Defamation. Saini's Laird Score may not be perfect, but it's darned high.

    Apparently when Damore's Google Doc was first published, Gizmodo's editors stripped out its hyperlinks. Whether by design or copy/paste clumsiness, this was an excellent move in tilting the playing field towards Saini. The less one knows, the more persuasive are her accepted-wisdom arguments.

    Two days after I’ve read Saini’s piece I’m still a bit aroused if I start thinking about it. The authoritarian approach (nobody should be allowed to think like Damore – therefor: Believe me: This is not sience, what he is talking about, and there’s no need to prove this, because we all know it already – uuuhu), – and all that in sweet well-mindedness (opportunism).
    (Could be, she doesn’t know any better. That would be the best excuse (it then would be the Guardian’s responsibility to decide about the subjects she should write about).

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  62. @Johnny Smoggins
    What a coup for Molyneux! It's too bad he's such a hateful Nazi bigot or else this could be his ticket to the big time in journalism.

    I stopped the video in a bunch of random places and never got to see Damore talking. Molyneux is a blowhard.

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    True to an extent but I found Damore to be an extremely dull speaker. Molyneux can be dominated in a conversation but one has to be aggressive.
  63. @Whitney
    I don't know who's Stefan Molyneux is but I found him so annoying that I could not listen to that. But I'll definitely listen to Jordan Peterson interview Damore. I don't find Peterson annoying at all and I have no idea how I feel about Damore because Molyneux would never shut up

    I don’t think it is Molyneux being overly chatty. Damore is just a very quiet guy. Peterson talks most of the time in his interview too.

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    I thought that might be true after I watched the Peterson interview. That's a good lesson for me. I should have just held my tongue/keyboard
  64. Whitney says:
    @Paul Yarbles
    I don't think it is Molyneux being overly chatty. Damore is just a very quiet guy. Peterson talks most of the time in his interview too.

    I thought that might be true after I watched the Peterson interview. That’s a good lesson for me. I should have just held my tongue/keyboard

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  65. Marty says:
    @AndrewR
    That's a pretty good outcome in and of itself. But he won't have any trouble getting a job either.

    If he doesn’t have any trouble getting a job, then he’s got no damages, and there’s nothing for Google to settle. In California wrongful discharge lies almost exclusively in contract, not tort, so there’s no recovery for emotional distress, hurt feelings, or loss of reputation – your measure of recovery is the difference in expected earnings between the lost position and the replacement. (Discrimination actions are an exception, but he doesn’t fall into a recognized protected class). Actually, on an Alt-Right analysis, he’s a victim of religious discrimination, a recognized category, but no way the woman-dominated Cal. Supreme Court will ever recognize radical feminism as a religion.

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    Well to be fair, few people of any demographic group or political leanings recognize "religion" to include anything outside of the... traditional definition. I'm not sure Damore himself would see himself as a religious heretic even though by any meaningful definition he is.
  66. @Chrisnonymous
    I stopped the video in a bunch of random places and never got to see Damore talking. Molyneux is a blowhard.

    True to an extent but I found Damore to be an extremely dull speaker. Molyneux can be dominated in a conversation but one has to be aggressive.

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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Desiderius
    James Damore is pretty close to Joey Ramone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5PQnngPX00

    “Mr. Programmer, I got my hammer.” Yeah, about right.

    (I was going to make a joke about J.D. being a cross between Joey Ramone and Napoleon Dynamite, and about that being pretty much par for the course here, but… I’m not so into golf myself…)

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  68. @Nico
    One has to be careful comparing decline of share of world GDP, since Western output accelerated so rapidly from the late 17th century on.

    However, it wouldn't surprise me if Indian living standards declined overall during the 18th and early 19th centuries. You have to keep in mind that at this point they were ruled by the East India Company and that until about 160 years ago "seaman" was basically synonymous with "pirate": the EIC was little more than a band of formally licensed and nominally crown-subjected privateers. Britain could not fully subvert and channel its homegrown naval power unti the mid-1850s; this explains how they could lose their American colonies well *before* their peak in geopolitical and economic power both relative and absolute.

    Thank you

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  69. @YetAnotherAnon
    China and India were IIRC the richest economies on earth back in the day, but their share of world GDP was bound to decline given the industrial revolution in the UK/Europe/US.

    It wasn't so much that India became poor, as that Britain got terribly rich (of course the poor in both countries stayed poor, and a fair chunk of the Indian rich saw Europeans take their wealth - Koh-i-Noor for example). The Brits did try to get things going in India, but that chap who wrote 'the Son Also Rises' described how modern textile mills in India just couldn't achieve UK productivity. They've cracked it now though!

    We're seeing the reverse take place now, as we deindustrialise and China in particular becomes the workshop of the world. If you'd told a Brit sixty years back that most UK steelworks, Land Rover and Jaguar cars would be owned by Indians, he'd have thought you mad.

    Thank you.

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  70. @anonguy

    I wonder if you are right. Did you watch the Jordan Peterson interview?
     
    No, but maybe I'll look.

    Here is another tell on the the guy. He said he put together a ten page document on female vs. male behavior with links, graphs, more or less a paper ready for a scientific journal as well as legally defensible within his labor law strategy. And all he talks about is discussions to improve workplace conditions, that is his sole goal.

    Which, I might admit, is a very clever non-obvious strategy. Kudos to him for seeing the potential there.

    He said he put it together during a 12 hour flight. If he did that, he definitely wasn't coming off a standing start.

    He's been on it. I'll bet he's been studying woman deeply for a long time. He's a young guy, not too bad looking, but aspergy. A biologist.

    How many pieces of the puzzle are necessary.

    Notice he said something at least twice about super secret Google HR meetings but pointedly did not mention what goes on in them. I'm sure he is somehow bound by some other agreement on what goes on in those, but not on the existence of the meetings themselves.

    Bank on that one.

    Everything he is doing is calculated. And he's doing a bang up job. Doesn't surprise me that his side produces a Clock Boy as effective, so far, as this one.

    One thing that undermines that theory though is his apparent willingness to go on Molyneux’s show at all. Molyneux’s style of interviewing is the harshest I’ve seen of any talkshow host. He regularly cross-examines his guests as if they were on trial and is adept at goading people into spitting out what they are reluctant to say or talk about. That would not be a good venue to expose yourself to if your goal was to put up some kind of scripted PR front for your grand strategy.

    In fact, why would someone want to go on record at all and risk torpedoing a million-dollar lawsuit if they were inducing their company to illegally fire them for the sole purpose of later suing? It would be like robbing a bank and stopping by McDonald’s during the getaway. It’s superfluous to the plan, you can do it later under much safer circumstances and the risks so outweigh the rewards that it really can’t be a rational choice.

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  71. Travis says:
    @Clark Westwood

    remember when American Billionaires focused their philanthropy on helping Americans…Stephen Girard (the first American Billionaire) left a Trust for the establishment of a boarding school for fatherless boys
     
    Fatherless white boys, to be exact.

    True, I suppose his philanthropy would be considered a hate crime today.

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  72. AndrewR says:
    @Marty
    If he doesn't have any trouble getting a job, then he's got no damages, and there's nothing for Google to settle. In California wrongful discharge lies almost exclusively in contract, not tort, so there's no recovery for emotional distress, hurt feelings, or loss of reputation - your measure of recovery is the difference in expected earnings between the lost position and the replacement. (Discrimination actions are an exception, but he doesn't fall into a recognized protected class). Actually, on an Alt-Right analysis, he's a victim of religious discrimination, a recognized category, but no way the woman-dominated Cal. Supreme Court will ever recognize radical feminism as a religion.

    Well to be fair, few people of any demographic group or political leanings recognize “religion” to include anything outside of the… traditional definition. I’m not sure Damore himself would see himself as a religious heretic even though by any meaningful definition he is.

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  73. Melendwyr says: • Website
    @Peripatetic commenter
    You are way behind the times.

    If women don't like the Bro Culture in a company you will get into lots of trouble advising them to get out of the kitchen.

    If gays do not like the egregiously heterosexual culture in a company you will be in a lot of trouble if you suggest they leave the company.

    It is a solid Labor Law principle that people should not be forced to destroy their livelihood because they don't like the culture in a company.

    Not to mention that people might actually like the places they work and want to improve them, to help them function better and accomplish the things they’re trying to do.

    If the only possible response to seeing your employer make a mistake is to leave their employment… a whole lot of businesses are going to fail.

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  74. Melendwyr says: • Website

    Clock Boy brought a piece of altered electronics that would resemble a bomb detonator upon casual inspection into his school, then implied that the reasonable and appropriate response he received from the school administration was due to racial prejudice.

    This is a guy who wrote a memo, with annotations, for an in-house group at Google, had the memo leaked by people he doesn’t know, has all the scientific facts on his side, and had his employer violate federal law when it terminated him.

    In what way are these cases similar?

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