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The Derb came up with the term “narrative collapse,” but what’s happening right now with the University of Virginia gang rape story is more like Narrative Apocalypse (to steal from commenter DNA Turtles).

This is a long post, but you’ll likely find it interesting …

My key insight into the Rolling Stone “gang rape” story came at 4 AM on Tuesday, December 2 as I was writing last week’s Taki’s Magazine column:

Strangely, just about the only people in America who don’t seem to have accepted at face value Jackie’s theory of a nine-man conspiracy to rape her are those portrayed in the Rolling Stone article as knowing the poor young woman well.

Much of this immense article is devoted to puzzling scenes in which Jackie’s friends and female mentors tell her to cheer up and get over it. If you read the article carefully, you’ll notice that almost everybody who knows Jackie closely treats her about the way you’d treat a friend who starts talking about having been abducted by aliens. You would try to find out what the real actual thing that happened to her was. But if she kept talking about alien rectal probing, you’d try to change the subject.

Morally, Sabrina Rubin Erdely and Rolling Stone should not have exploited an unsettled young woman.

This afternoon, the Washington Post has followed up with some crack reporting that confirms that the only failure in my insight was I wasn’t cynical enough. Jackie’s real story now appears to be a Gillian “Gone Girl” Flynn novel come to life.

U-Va. students challenge Rolling Stone account of attack

By T. Rees Shapiro, December 10 at 5:12 PM

It was 1 a.m. on a Saturday when the call came. A friend, a University of Virginia freshman who earlier said she had a date that evening with a handsome junior from her chemistry class, was in hysterics. Something bad had happened.

Arriving at her side, three students —“Randall,” “Andy” and “Cindy” as they were identified in an explosive Rolling Stone account — told The Washington Post that they found their friend in tears. Jackie appeared traumatized, saying her date ended horrifically, with the older student parking his car at his fraternity, asking her to come inside, and then forcing her to perform oral sex on a group of five men.

“Forcing”? How exactly do you force such a thing? Hold a gun to her head? Maybe. Hold a knife to her throat? Probably not (I don’t want to get too graphic but consider the mechanics of the knife to the throat scenario). Hold her beloved grandmother hostage? Ply her with drink? Be so darn hot she can’t resist?

I think by this point we are owed a few follow-up questions eliciting some detail on how exactly she was forced so we can judge the plausibility of her latest story. For example, was shattered glass involved?

In their first interviews about the events of that September 2012 night, the three friends separately told The Post that their recollections of the encounter diverge from how the Rolling Stone article portrayed the incident in a story about Jackie’s alleged gang rape at a U-Va. fraternity. The interviews also provide a richer account of Jackie’s interactions immediately after the alleged attack.

The scene with her friends was pivotal in the article, as it alleged that the friends were callously apathetic about a beaten, bloodied, injured classmate reporting a brutal gang rape at the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity. The account alleged that the students worried about the effect it might have on their social status, how it might reflect on Jackie during the rest of her collegiate career, and how they suggested not reporting it. It set up the article’s theme: That U-Va. has a culture that is indifferent to rape.

“It didn’t happen that way at all,” Andy said.

Instead, the friends remember being shocked. Though they did not notice any blood or visible injuries, they said they immediately urged Jackie to speak to police and insisted that they find her help. Instead, they said, Jackie declined and asked to be taken back to her dorm room. They went with her — two of them said they spent the night — seeking to comfort Jackie in what appeared to be a moment of extreme turmoil.

“I mean obviously we were very concerned for her,” Andy said. “We tried to be as supportive as we could be.”

The three students agreed to be interviewed on the condition that The Post use the same aliases as appeared in Rolling Stone because of the sensitivity of the subject.

They said there are mounting inconsistencies with the original narrative in the magazine. The students also expressed suspicions about Jackie’s allegations from that night. They said the name she provided as that of her date did not match anyone at the university, and U-Va. officials confirmed to The Post that no one by that name has attended the school.

And photographs that were texted to one of the friends showing her date that night actually were pictures depicting one of Jackie’s high school classmates in Northern Virginia. That man, now a junior at a university in another state, confirmed that the photographs are of him and said he barely knew Jackie and hasn’t been to Charlottesville for at least six years.

Paging Gillian Flynn, paging Gillian Flynn, your next thriller novel about a manipulative woman is waiting …

The friends said they never were contacted or interviewed by the pop culture magazine’s reporters or editors. Though vilified in the article as coldly indifferent to Jackie’s ordeal, the students said they cared deeply about their friend’s well-being and safety. Randall said that they made every effort to help Jackie that night.

“She had very clearly just experienced a horrific trauma,” Randall said. “I had never seen anybody acting like she was on that night before and I really hope I never have to again. … If she was acting on the night of Sept. 28, 2012, then she deserves an Oscar.”

Who has ever heard of an 18-year-old coed at a top college with a fair amount of acting ability?

They also said Jackie’s description of what happened to her that night differs from what she told Rolling Stone. In addition, information that Jackie gave the three friends about one of her attackers, called “Drew” in Rolling Stone, differed significantly from details she later told The Post, Rolling Stone and friends from sexual assault awareness groups on campus. The three said Jackie did not specifically identify a fraternity that night.

The Rolling Stone article also said that Randall declined to be interviewed, “citing his loyalty to his own frat.” He told The Post that he never was contacted by Rolling Stone and would have agreed to an interview. The article’s writer, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, did not respond to requests for comment this week.

Rolling Stone also declined to comment, citing an internal review of the story. The magazine has apologized for inaccuracies and discrepancies in the published report.

The 9,000-word Rolling Stone article appeared online in late November and led with the brutal account of Jackie’s alleged sexual assault. In the article, Jackie said she attended a date function at the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity in the fall of 2012 with a lifeguard she said she met at the university pool. During the party, Jackie said her date “Drew” lured her into a dark room where seven men gang-raped her in an attack that left her bloodied and injured. In earlier interviews with The Post, Jackie stood by the account she provided to Rolling Stone.

… Randall said that he met Jackie shortly after arriving at U-Va. in fall 2012, and the two struck up a quick friendship. He said Jackie was interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with him; he valued her friendship but wasn’t interested in more.

Hmmhhmmhmm … maybe all this had something to do with Jackie trying to make Randall jealous? Just speculation, of course …

The three friends said that Jackie soon began talking about a handsome junior from chemistry class who had a crush on her and had been asking her out on dates.

Intrigued, Jackie’s friends got his phone number from her and began exchanging text messages with the mysterious upperclassman.

Randall and the other two never met the Mystery Man? Just exchanged texts with him? That seems a little odd …

He then raved to them about “this super smart hot,” freshman who shared his love of the band Coheed and Cambria, according to the texts, which were provided to The Post.

“I really like this girl,” the chemistry student wrote in one message.

Assuming the “chemistry student” wrote those texts.

Some of the messages included photographs of a man with a sculpted jawline and ocean-blue eyes.

In the text messages, the student wrote that he was jealous that another student had apparently won Jackie’s attention.

“Get this she said she likes some other 1st year guy who dosnt like her and turned her down but she wont date me cause she likes him,” the chemistry student wrote. “She cant turn my down fro some nerd 1st yr. she said this kid is smart and funny and worth it.”

Is, by any chance, the 1st year “who dosnt like her and turned her down” Randall? And was the text intended to be read by Randall?

Jackie told her three friends that she accepted the upperclassman’s invitation for a dinner date on Friday Sept. 28, 2012.

Curious about Jackie’s date, the friends said that they failed to locate the student on a U-Va. database and social media. Andy, Cindy and Randall all said they never met the student in person.

Oh, boy …

Before Jackie’s date, the friends said that they became suspicious that perhaps they hadn’t really been in contact with the chemistry student at all.

Ya think?

U-Va. officials told The Post that no student by the name Jackie provided to her friends as her date and attacker in 2012 had ever enrolled at the university. Randall provided The Post with pictures that Jackie’s purported date had sent of himself by text message in 2012.

The Post identified the person in the pictures and learned that his name does not match the one Jackie provided to friends in 2012. In an interview, the man said that he was Jackie’s high school classmate but that he “never really spoke to her.”

The man said that he was never a U-Va. student and is not a member of any fraternity. Additionally, the man said that he had not visited Charlottesville in at least six years and that he was in another state participating in an athletic event during the weekend of Sept. 28, 2012.

“I have nothing to do with it,” he said. He said it appears the photos that were circulated were pulled from social media Web sites.

!

After the alleged attack, the man who Jackie said had taken her on the date wrote an e-mail to Randall, passing along praise that Jackie apparently had for him.

!!

Randall said that it is apparent to him that he is the “first year,” the chemistry student described in text messages, since he had rebuffed Jackie’s advances.

!!!

The pitch is slammed deep to left field. It’s going, going, Gone Girl!

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Jackie ultimately told her harrowing account to sexual assault prevention groups on campus and spoke to university officials about it, though she said in interviews that she was always reluctant to identify an attacker and never felt ready to report it to police. In interviews she acknowledged that a police investigation now would be unlikely to yield criminal charges because of a lack of forensic evidence.

Emily Renda, a 2014 U-Va. graduate who survived a rape during her freshman year and now works for the university as a sexual violence specialist, has told The Post that she met Jackie in the fall of 2013. Renda said that, at the time, Jackie told her that she had been attacked by five students at Phi Kappa Psi. Renda said she learned months later that the number of perpetrators had changed to seven.

The Rolling Stone article, which appeared on the magazine’s Web site last month

On November 19th, and was accepted with virtually no criticism from professional journalists for the rest of the month.

, roiled campus and set off protests, vandalism and self-reflection. U-Va. officials responded to the article by suspending the university’s Greek system until early January and promoting a broader discussion on campus about sexual assault and campus safety. University officials have declined to comment on the specifics of the allegations and the article.

… Last week, Jackie for the first time revealed a name of her alleged attacker to friends who had known her more recently. That name was different from the name she gave Andy, Cindy and Randall that first night. All three said that they had never heard the second name before it was given to them by a reporter.

On Friday, The Post interviewed a man whose name is similar to the second one Jackie used for her attacker. He said that while he did work as a lifeguard at the same time as Jackie, he had never met her in person and had never taken her out on a date. He also said that he was not a member of Phi Kappa Psi.

One obvious followup is to determine where those “Chemistry Student” texts came from.

… In interviews, some of Jackie’s closest friends said they believe she suffered a horrific trauma during her freshman year, but others have expressed doubts about the account. …

Nick Anderson in Charlottesville, Jennifer Jenkins and Julie Tate contributed to this report.

T. Rees Shapiro is an education reporter.

My speculation is that there is a fair chance the Chemistry Student texts were made up by Jackie (perhaps with the help of a confederate) to make Randall jealous and thus interested in her. The rape claim could be to make Randall feel sorry for her and comfort her, and/or it could be to imply to Randall that she’s so hot that five fraternity boys risked prison to force themselves on her.

What’s the word for this? Catfishing?

Of course, this is all still speculation. But …

From my Taki’s article of last week:

Late in her first year at UVA, depressed and in danger of flunking out, Jackie talks to Dean Nicole Eramo, Chair of the Sexual Misconduct Board. This dean patiently explains to Jackie the three ways she can file charges, but Jackie can’t make up her mind. Eventually, Dean Eramo suggests she join a campus rape survivors’ support group. There, Jackie makes new friends who appreciate her story (even though it’s more violent than their own).

In Erdely’s telling, Dean Eramo, a middle-aged lady, is a sinister figure, a sonderkommando who shields the rape culture by getting students to confide in her instead of exposing the vileness all about. But there’s a problem with the author’s interpretation: Jackie and numerous other young women love Dean Eramo. She listens. Jackie and others responded to the Rolling Stone hit piece against Eramo by writing a long letter to the college newspaper praising the dean.

My vague impression is that Jackie seems like a troubled soul who drew needed comfort from talking to listeners who were sympathetic. She doesn’t appear to have been in any hurry over the last couple of years to talk to people who might ask her tough questions about the validity of her allegations, such as police detectives or defense attorneys. That appears to have been prudent on her part.

Unfortunately, Rolling Stone was eager to use her for its own commercial and political purposes.

And so her story is now our latest national media crisis.

… During her sophomore year, Jackie became prominent in the struggle on campus against rape culture. But the patriarchy struck back brutally last spring, using its favorite tool of violence, the glass bottle. Outside a bar at the Corner:

One man flung a bottle at Jackie that broke on the side of her face, leaving a blood-red bruise around her eye.

That’s horrifying … assuming it happened. Or are we deep into Gone Girl territory now? (There’s nothing in the article about anybody calling the police over this presumably open-and-shut case.) Erdely continues:

She e-mailed Eramo so they could discuss the attack—and discuss another matter, too, which was troubling Jackie a great deal. Through her ever expanding network, Jackie had come across something deeply disturbing: two other young women who, she says, confided that they, too, had recently been Phi Kappa Psi gang-rape victims.

A bruise still mottling her face, Jackie sat in Eramo’s office in May 2014 …

Eramo had been listening to Jackie’s stories for a year at this point:

As Jackie wrapped up her story, she was disappointed by Eramo’s nonreaction. She’d expected shock, disgust, horror.

Erdely attributes this widespread ho-hum reaction among Jackie’s old friends and confidantes to a second massive conspiracy, this one to cover up the first conspiracy in order to protect that bastion of the right, UVA.

Erdely’s explanation for why those who know Jackie best didn’t rush her to the hospital or call 911 or even pay much attention to her claims over the next two years is that the University of Virginia is an alien, hostile, conservative country club with an

… aura of preppy success, where throngs of toned, tanned and overwhelmingly blond students fanned across a landscape of neoclassical brick buildings.

… I suppose that Erdely’s positing two conspiracy theories is logically consistent. But Occam’s razor suggests that the real campus conspiracy may have been to gently humor the unhappy girl.

This is not to say that something bad has never ever happened to Jackie in her life. People who like drama that much tend to have real, unfun drama happen to them.

It’s time to make up a list of all the voices of respectable thought who got lured in by this story from November 19 – November 30, while only a few wacko extremists questioned it.

Commenter Chris Anderson says:

In Gone Girl, a smashed glass table is the first sign to Nick Dunne that something is wrong, and also the first thing the cops notice that the crime scene might be a hoax.

So there’s that …

See the shattered glass table at 0:29 into the Gone Girl trailer.

In conclusion, Let the Recriminations Begin!

P.S. We should make up a table of links of prominent, respectable publications and individuals who promoted “A Rape on Campus” from November 19 through November 30. It would be an interesting list of the gullible and the ideological.

 

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  1. Yep, Steve, pretty much.

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    “Forcing”? How exactly do you force [felatio]?

    Sailer, don’t be autistically-literal and/or naive. The answer is words and implied threat of violence, of course.

    Happens to formerly tough-guy prisoners on a regular basis. A female wouldn’t stand a chance.

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  3. How was Gone Girl ever allowed to be published, and made into a Hollywood movie? My head is exploding. What’s the frequency Kenneth?

    I guess not everybody in the MSM is on message.

  4. You eventually might get into trouble for stealing entire articles from the Washington Post.

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  5. November 20th: Oh my goodness! What a terrible story! It’s almost like something out of a movie… I can’t believe this kind of thing still happens in real life!

    December 1st: OK, it’s clear this story was punched up a little for the press but it’s clear something awful, if not necessary cinematic, happened to this poor girl on that dreadful autumn night.

    December 5th: All right, lot’s of inconsistencies… her friends, supporters and Rolling Stone itself are backing off. Still! The girl was abused and mixed up or conflated several details. That happens with trauma.

    December 10th: Wait- is it possible this entire effing thing was made up to garner the attention and sympathy of a particular classmate?

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  6. It’s clear by now that if there’s any scrap of truth left, then it’s as a story of dreams and composite characters. Like a less boring _Dreams from my Father_.

    It’s time to leave poor “Jackie” alone and start fact-checking Rubin-Erdely’s other œvres. Could be interesting.

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  7. Gunning hard for that Pulitzer, eh Steve?

    Women who lie about everything…you should meet my sister. If a girl doesn’t go to the police after she gets raped I just assume she enjoyed it and is now protecting her rapist, as callous as that sounds.

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    September 28 is only a few weeks into the school year. How long could she possibly have known any of these people? When did the school year start, mid-August? That’s a lot of drama in a very short time.

  9. Hmmhhmmhmm … maybe all this had something to do with Jackie trying to make Randall jealous?

    This is a sad, sad story. Maybe there will be a happy ending where she and “Randall” finally get together and laugh about it. No, that won’t work either …..

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  10. This would make a good story for one of those Mexican soap operas you admire so much, Steve. Not very believable though. Real college kids wouldn’t have such elaborate dramas.

  11. OMG… she straight up catfished her friends. That is the only possibility. She did’t just lie… she conspired a story.

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  12. When this does get made into a movie, “Jackie” will be a pale blonde, the frat boys will be black, and Rubin will be the brilliant noble journalist who fights to get to the truth.

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  13. Not only did she conspire a story, she did it because she was in love. How sad is that?

    Only question is can they actually backtrack the text messages to her? Because I’m pretty sure she was the source …..

  14. I nominate Mark Ruffalo or Jake Gyllenhaal to be the journalist. Both were excellent in Zodiac.

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    They went with her — two of them said they spent the night — seeking to comfort Jackie in what appeared to be a moment of extreme turmoil.

    So I’m guessing it was “Randall” and “Andy”, not the frat, that Eiffel Towered her?

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eiffel+tower

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  16. Am I missing something here? Every time that I receive a text message or a photograph on my cell phone, Slim Helu is nice enough to let me know whence it came– i.e., the cell-phone number of the sender. If these friends of the self-proclaimed victim– or, excuse me, “survivor!”– received these supposed texts and photographs from the man called “Drew” in the “Rolling Stone” article, what stopped them from calling him? What has stopped everyone from finding out who had that phone number, during that time period?

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  17. Yeah, Jackie was totally making up the handsome chemistry student in order to make “Randall” jealous. The text that seals it for me is the one where the supposed mystery man states:

    ” … she said this kid ["Randall"] is smart and funny and worth it.”

    It’s the “worth it” at the end that’s the tell – a normal dude is not going to use such language just to butter up his rival.

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  18. I had the same reaction, Steve. Something about her story stinks. Yes, at the very least they should determine where those texts originated. Was Jackie even in the same room when her friends received them from the so-called “mysterious upperclassman”? This looks ridiculous. It’s like a ‘Scooby-Doo’ cartoon. Those meddling kids!

  19. If the “Chemistry Student” sent text messages to Jackie’s friends, then they still have his phone number in their address books (or else the number could be recovered from cell company logs) and his identity can be found. My guess is that will lead to a “burner” phone registered in Jackie’s name.

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  20. But then someone at the Washington post would have to admit that they read Steve Sailer.

  21. When this does get made into a movie, “Jackie” will be a pale blonde, the frat boys will be black, and Rubin will be the brilliant noble journalist who fights to get to the truth.

    Uh no.

    In the Hollywoodization you will have Jackie as a lightskinned black and the frat boys will be pale and blonde. The racist local sheriff will wear the typical all white suit like Boss Hogg.

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  22. The truth is almost more astonishing than the made up story.

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  23. If there was ever a time to say it…wow. Just wow.

    I meant to bring this comment up when you originally discussed the cinematic aspects of the story, but I procrastinated and it would have been stale by that time:

    In Gone Girl, a smashed glass table is the first sign to Nick Dunne that something is wrong, and also the first thing the cops notice that the crime scene might be a hoax.

    So there’s that.

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    Sounds like you speak from personal experience.

  25. Emily Renda, UVa “sexual violence specialist,” is described as a recent graduate who herself “survived” a rape. A more objective way for the Post reporter to have put this would be to say she suffered a rape, rather than survived one. The reporter has adopted the inflated language of the feminist radicals.

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    It’s more likely that this crazy girl ends up going nuts and doing something really bad to Randall, like attack him with a knife and cut his balls off or something.

  27. I’d like to sue Sabrina Rubin Erdely and Jackie for intentional infliction of emotional distress. For the last couple of weeks, I spent a lot of time worrying about giving up in-state tuition for my daughter because I couldn’t send her to the rape factory that is UVA. Where’s my check?

  28. Frank, are you kidding me? In the movie version, the Jackie character may well be black and the frat boys will most certainly be the most hyper-goyishe looking blondes you have ever seen, this side of a Waffen-SS unit in a WWII flick.

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  29. I suspect that emotionally shaky kids like this ain’t all that rare. And in terms of rape fantasies go talk to some long-serving cops/detectives. Again, they say, not unheard of at all, although it’s usually brought to them by some concerned “victims” friends who bring the story to their attention, whereupon the alleged victim—reluctantly, typically, but sort of trapped—continue the story to at least some extent but start getting vague vague vague. Where they have already given a name of their alleged attacker though and it’s investigated and the case collapses, there’s usually some sympathy for the girl and so they just give a stern warning against filing false police reports.

    In terms of “Jackie” then, seems to me that sort of sympathy is just about the right state of mind to be in when considering her.

    In terms of the writer of that Rolling Stone article though, seems to me her ethno-racial hostility just oozed out of that story (all those horrible “overwhelmingly blond” people at UVA she felt the need to note), and deserves to be remarked upon. As I noted before, this sort of thing seems to be her oeuvre. (With one of her last stories whacking the Catholic Church I believe.)

    Or at least I won’t stop believing it until, say, she starts whacking some of the fundamentalist jewish communities/institutions around NYC for their innumerable recent pedophile sex scandals.

  30. I’m really sorry for this girl. She gained a lot of weight, while Randall gained a lot of experience – if she had no chance with Randall two years ago, what chances can he still have with any guy that is even remotely like Randall?

    I did lie about myself to some people around me, but I figured early on (like, at age 11 or so) that lying gets you in trouble, because it’s difficult to stay consistent over time. I nevertheless kept lying, but I tried to keep it to a minimum. I don’t think I was extraordinary – I think most people have similar strategies, some lies mixed into the truth, but no huge astonishing lies, because people know (probably less by intelligence than by hardwired commonsense) that too big lies will get them into troubles, like they got Jackie into trouble.

    The (so far) highest profile rape case in Hungary was similar, the girl probably wanted to get the attention and sympathy of a guy (actually a singer of a famous band). She accused five policemen of gang-raping her, but the story quickly fell apart on closer scrutiny. (The policemen probably did force some bribe out of her, though.) Nevertheless all five policemen spent thirty days behind bars. There are still many crazy people who believe her story, and say that the policemen were whitewashed…

  31. Conversation I had last night with my 15-year-old son in wine section that ties 2 Steve-y themes from just the last 24 hours: scheming women and alcohol/drink
    Me: don’t ever drink alcohol until your married
    Son: why?!
    Me: Ask your (remarried) grandfather
    Son: you really don’t like her, do you?
    Me: –
    Son: but does grandpa like her?
    Me: the less that’s said, the better

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    Emily Renda, UVa “sexual violence specialist,” is described as a recent graduate who herself “survived” a rape. A more objective way for the Post reporter to have put this would be to say she suffered a rape, rather than survived one. The reporter has adopted the inflated language of the feminist radicals.

    I’ll see you that and go you one more. She should be described as someone who SAYS or ALLEGES that she was the victim of a rape.

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  33. According to the Occidental Observer there is a “seething ethnic hostility” towards Whites in Sabrina Rubn Erdel’s writings.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/

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  34. Every time that I receive a text message or a photograph on my cell phone, Slim Helu is nice enough to let me know whence it came– i.e., the cell-phone number of the sender.

    Sort-of… it shows you the name that’s in your address book. Every text I get could be from “Randall” if I set my phone up that way — and that’s what it would show when I forwarded screen-cap’d pics of the conversation to my friends.

    Never underestimate the skillz of a girl who’s up to something.

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  35. “It’s the “worth it” at the end that’s the tell – a normal dude is not going to use such language just to butter up his rival.”

    I’d go further than that; no heterosexual dude would ever use that phrase in any romantic context. Worth what? A date? I can only assume it means, “Worth the heartbreaking sacrifice that all true love inevitably requires.” Blech.

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    “Jackie’s friends and University of Virginia fraternities chief say she WAS raped and stand by girl who ‘got details of frat house wrong’”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868909/University-Virginia-fraternities-chief-Jackie-raped-Senior-student-stands-girl-got-details-frat-house-wrong-MailOnline-shows-just-similar-Greek-buildings-are.html

    “Chairman of Inter-fraternity Council sticks with statement that Jackie was a rape victim despite doubts over story

    Says he deliberately avoided using word ‘alleged’ in backing for student, 20, who told of gang attack at frat house

    Her father told MailOnline she got detail of fraternity where it happened wrong and her roommate supported account

    Jackie told Washington Post she only named Phi Kappa Psi house after it was pointed out a year later by a friend

    UVA has 32 fraternity houses, 16 of them in almost identical style and all concentrated in one part of Charlottesville “

  37. Imagine being a male somewhere in the vicinity of a person like this? ‘Him, there, that’s the one who raped me’ as her finger points at you. With the help of a Nifong-type local prosector your life as you’ve known it is over.
    In ’09 the lead news story one night was of an arrest at a neighborhood hospital. A male critical care nurse was charged with criminal sexual abuse in October for an incident that supposedly happened in the preceding February. He was arrested on the job and taken out in handcuffs, his picture put on television. It was claimed he shot her up with morphine then engaged in inappropriate touching. A lawsuit was later filed. All this on the unverified claim of one individual. The alleged ‘victim’ was described to me as a homeless dirtball female in her late 50′s with mental and substance abuse problems who checked into the emergency room with her Medicaid card. That’s all it takes, apparently. At the very least people lose their jobs and have to pay a fortune in legal bills. It’s not just the crazies, it’s their enablers that create problems.

  38. Black frat boys as a rape gang? not in this century in this decaying culture.

  39. Are there any, you know, women, who are commenters here? Maybe they could give a little insight instead of having an all guy online ‘frat’ discussing another frat.

  40. Of course, this is all still speculation…

    Yeah, the kind of “speculation” anyone would bet his house on.

  41. It’s time to make up a list of all the voices of respectable thought who got lured in by this story from November 19 – November 30, while only a few wacko extremists questioned it.

    Mmmmm… retribution… delicious!!!! Also, documentation…. Useful!!!

  42. I have to say I never expected this whole story might prove so entertaining.

    And it even has a moral!

    Just not the expected one.

  43. Egads.

    Jonah Goldberg suggested a Jude Aptow comedy in which a maligned frat wins control of Rolling Stone after being horrifically libeled by a reporter, and then proceed to run the magazine. Hijink ensue. The idea may wind up being a Law and Order-style ripped from the headlines script.

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  44. Randall dodged a huuuuuuge bullet here. If he had actually liked Jackie… I’m thinking 10 years from now she’s coaching their 3 year old into saying “daddy touched me down there”. This girl was a sleeping volcano of cray cray, I wonder if UVa will begin expulsion proceedings now, or wait til after Christmas.

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  45. Not only did she conspire a story, she did it because she was in love. How sad is that?

    She was not in love. As perhaps the main interest of man, love was investigated thoroughly from the ancient Greeks through the troubadors to Heinlein. She is just a crazy b—h.

    The recovery of the pre-modern commentary on the nature of love is one of the great rightist events waiting to happen.

  46. Is this all just some form of Munchausen syndrome? Cry rape and you will receive allot of attention.

  47. The Rolling Stone article also said that Randall declined to be interviewed, “citing his loyalty to his own frat.”

    I love that little detail. I mean, we all know that fraternities are actually nations unto themselves, obeying their own secret codes and disregarding the state’s laws:

    I get the feeling that The Skulls must be a particular favorite over at Rolling Stone

    MMMM, or maybe some Jewish individuals are projecting traditional Jewish values onto fraternities:

    Mesirah (or mesira, Hebrew: to turn over‎) is the action in which one Jew reports the conduct of another Jew to a non-Rabbinic authority in a manner and under the circumstances forbidden by Rabbinic Law.[1] This may not necessarily apply to reporting legitimate crimes to responsible authority, but does apply to turning over a Jew to an abusive authority, or to a legitimate one who would punish the criminal in ways seen as excessive by Jewish community, though “excessive” punishment by non-Jews may be permissible if a precept of the Torah has been violated.[2]

    The term for an individual who commits mesirah is moser or mossur.[2] A person who repeatedly violates this law by informing on his fellow Jews is considered subject to “Din Moser” (law of the informer), which is analogous to “Din rodef” in that both prescribe death for the offender,[1] and according to some, in some circumstances he may be killed without warning. [3]

    Modern times[edit]
    According to Michael Broyde, there are many different opinions among twentieth century Rabbis as to the extent and circumstances mesirah is still valid in modern times. [3]

    According to The Times of Israel and a Channel 4 investigation, the concept of mesirah was used by a Haredi leader to protect community members investigated for child molestation from police investigation.[4][5]

    The principle of mesirah has also been used to dissuade Jewish auditors from reporting other Jews to the IRS for tax fraud.[6]

    Rabbinic courts in Israel have been known to issue writs calling for social exclusion of Jews bringing legal issues to Israel’s civil courts.[7]

  48. Let me say this much on behalf of the friends of Jackie, some of whom may still harbor the belief that she was telling something like the truth when she talked about the supposed sexual assaults on her.

    When someone lies, it is actually sometimes much, much easier for outside parties to divine the truth than it is for intimates to do so.

    That’s because outside parties aren’t swamped with the vast array of deliberately misleading verbal and non-verbal cues that a liar utilizes when he or she plies her trade. It’s hard not to believe someone who goes through histrionics when they talk about something awful that happened to her. Outsiders hear instead summaries of what was alleged, and squares them against what’s known, and can easily poke holes where the fabric is weak.

  49. If these friends … received these supposed texts and photographs from the man called “Drew” … what stopped them from calling him?

    Great idea for the movie. “Randall”, after getting suspicious, decides to secretly call “Drew’s” number while the four friends are in “Jackie’s” room … then, we hear the muffled sound of a ringing phone coming from … under “Jackie’s” bed. Hilarity ensues. (This movie version is a rom-com.)

  50. At this point, it would seem that any basis for suppressing Jackie’s identity is gone: she has made herself impossible to believe by giving multiple contradictory accounts containing false facts. The alleged communications from the supposed date appear to be fictions, possibly of her own creation. The latest Post reporting now raises the possibility that the whole thing was a hoax.

    Making her identity public could enable other parties with knowledge of Jackie and the alleged events to come forward and help get to the truth, rather than leave multiple persons (fraternity members, friends, etc.) under a cloud of suspicion. It would seem that that consideration now far outweighs any reason for not identifying her.

  51. Sounds like Jackie and Erdely may both be psycho, which makes for a perfect storm.

  52. My guess is that will lead to a “burner” phone registered in Jackie’s name.

    Totally agree. She was sending her friends texts and is a complete goofball.

  53. Kudos to Just Not Said, BTW.

    My sister pulled a stunt like this on Facebook, probably common, sans the rape cry.
    Her boyfriend didn’t buy it for a second and told her the guy and his profile she had created were too perfect. She had been proud of how realistic she had made him. Ouch!

  54. “…the Hollywoodization you will have Jackie as a lightskinned black…” Yep, you nailed it.

  55. You know the drill!

  56. Emily Renda, UVa “sexual violence specialist,” is described as a recent graduate who herself “survived” a rape. A more objective way for the Post reporter to have put this would be to say she suffered a rape

    Even better would be “allegedly suffered a rape”.

  57. That’s right, this is incredible. Young women are bonkers, and campus victim culture is mental crack for crazy people.

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    Dec 11: Well it’s neither “actual nor factual” but we all know it happens all the time. The fantasy that proves the rule. Ergo, all fraternities–organized men!–must be shut down.

  59. I’m finding it difficult to believe that a bunch of froshes saw through this nonsense, but a professional journalist and a major publication and essentially the entire media establishment were completely taken in. Many of them are probably not much saner than Jackie, and many of them probably just don’t want the annoyance of upsetting the crazies. But surely some intrepid, hard-boiled reporter must have suspected …

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  60. “It’s time to make up a list of all the voices of respectable thought who got lured in by this story from November 19 – November 30, while only a few wacko extremists questioned it.”

    Kind of funny. My guess is their main concern is that it made them look stupid. Like Jackie, if the story doesn’t fit their needs, they’ll change it up. Hence the This is a travesty committed by Rolling Stone and it’s going to mean no one will take rape seriously anymore. This is now the only correct interpretation.

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  61. RE: Catfishing,

    In case some people have not seen Catfish:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfish_%28film%29

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  62. Shaddup!! The only comment you should be making to Sailer is “I’m not worthy”

    Steve, all the tanned, blonde men on UVA’s campus owe you a debt of gratitude.

    Feel sorry for Jackie- but not that much

    Erdely should be made to cover the frog jumping contest at the Virginia state fair- Hee Haw! What a miserable, scheming woman.

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  63. My wife makes me watch a Canadian cop show, “Flashpoint”, which is kind of police SWAT drama with rap sessions, and they had a “Catfishing” episode as well; in that case, a young man who seduced another young man (with voice altering software) to attempt murder.

  64. Goldberg can be entertaining but there is one part of this story he will not want to delve into….

  65. When this does get made into a movie, “Jackie” will be a pale blonde, the frat boys will be black, and Rubin will be the brilliant noble journalist who fights to get to the truth.

    Uh no.

    In the Hollywoodization you will have Jackie as a lightskinned black and the frat boys will be pale and blonde. The racist local sheriff will wear the typical all white suit like Boss Hogg.

    Hate to respond to this because it’s so daft, but the whole point of the original comment is that the white girl will blame blacks for rape, only to be then proven a liar by an enterprising journalist. This is roughly the same plot as “To Kill a Mockingbird”, replacing the lawyer with the press.

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  66. “Intrigued, Jackie’s friends got his phone number from her and began exchanging text messages with the mysterious upperclassman.”

    This was not, according to that “Post” quote, a case of her forwarding texts and photographs from the mystery date to her friends. They were, as far as they knew, in direct contact with his own phone number. If, as I assume, they really were exchanging texts with her, pretending to be her own mystery man, then she either had a second cell phone or, perhaps, was using a virtual Google number toward the same end.

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    Steve, what’s your take on the retired MIT professor who had his famous lectures deleted due to sexual harassment online?

    http://tech.mit.edu/V134/N60/walterlewin.html?comments

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  68. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"]
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    Unfortunately, MIT and EdX have no balls.

    Boycott them!

  69. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"]
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    Compare that with the response to the behavior of Roman Polansky or others.

    Hypocrisy much?

  70. Man, did this Randall dude dodge a bullet, or what? If the pictures posted of her elsewhere on-line are actually her, she’s fairly attractive. He must have had some serious spidey-sense to properly place her on the hot-crazy scale and steer clear.

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    Is she still at the school? I though she had left. At any rate, if she is, there’s no way UVA expels her. She may transfer however on her own.

  72. So Rubin’s character will be re-written as our own iSteve? The irony is delicious

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    “Dementimento

    3 Hrs a Ho.”

    LOL!

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  74. “He must have had some serious spidey-sense to properly place her on the hot-crazy scale and steer clear.”

    Randall should get an advice book deal out of this.

  75. “Dementimento

    “A pentimento (plural pentimenti) is an alteration in a painting, evidenced by traces of previous work, showing that the artist has changed his or her mind as to the composition during the process of painting. The word is Italian for repentance, from the verb pentirsi, meaning to repent.”

    I believe the notoriously unreliable Lillian Hellman named one volume of her memoirs “Pentimento.”

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  76. Virginia law does indeed recognize “forcible sodomy” as a crime. (Not sure how far back this law dates, but I doubt any post-feminist law would use the word sodomy.) This is the first I ever heard of a claim that it is impossible.

    https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-67.1

  77. I am 100 percent confident that zero straight college aged males use language like that. That is without a doubt a girl texting. I believe Steve has uncovered the latest hilarious aspect of this story that is too far out there even for a lifetime movie.

    Steve, could you do a future blog entry investigating why so many white American women are just plain nuts? White euro women are not like this, and neither are white South American women in my experience. What is it that makes so many white women nuts? Feminism?

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    As a psychiatric nurse, Jackie has many characteristics of a borderline personality disorder. Fantastic almost unbelievable experiences, histrionics, constant chaos in her life and periods of deep depression, poor relationships.the disorder is difficult to treat as most patients resist treatment.

  79. There’s a WWG angle too, around the politically-unquestionable credibility of Jackie’s campus-activist enablers.

    As you noted while discussing high heels, Steve, modern campuses average over 50% female students. Lesbian “feminist” leaders push for more women in college to supply lesbians with more naive young dating prospects as well as for less-selfish-sounding ideological reasons.

    Much of the campus “rape” hysteria is driven by lesbians trying to dissuade coeds from talking to boys and vice-versa. Lesbians lead most campus womens’ crisis centers and anti-rape campaigns and so-on and have since the old “Take Back the Night” marches at least. Most campus “rape counsellors” are lesbians, which is pretty funny in a way, since they “experience” any heterosexual contact as “rape” and are therefore eager to validate clients who hope to convert mere regrets into victimhood– “of course he raped you! All male sexual behavior is rape! Catherine McKinnon said so!”

    Lesbians are always looking for leadership jobs where they can impress weak willed girls, and campus “rape” counseling is ideal. Although both weak- and strong-willed women may be victims of real rapists, a much greater proportion of weak-willed girls get “taken advantage of” or pumped-and-dumped by opportunistic non-rapists, then turn to the “crisis center” for help transmogrifying their feelings of guilt into anger. The lesbian counsellors assist them with that while also trying to seduce them: “Oh yes, men are all rapists. I’m sorry you had to get hurt to learn that. Here, put your head on my shoulder, let me soothe you. You can stay with me while you recover. We’ll sleep together like sisters and I’ll fight for your right to have that rapist expelled for dishonoring you!”

    Campus lesbians also, consciously or unconsciously, want to dissuade male students from making time with coeds. Threatening men with life-ruining utterly-arbitrary punishment for even talking to a coed is one way to do that.

    Of course, “anti-rape” leadership looks good on sociology grad-school applications too, considering that most of the professors looking for acolytes are LGBT or rueful about their apparently incurable heteronormativity and eager to show they don’t let it influence them!

    (The most comical “mate-guarding” behavior I have ever seen was displayed by a butch lesbian I met who had scored a wishy-washy “bi” girlfriend with an infant(!) from a “women’s shelter.” The dominant partner probably feared that her prize could be stolen by an interloping male at any moment.)

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  80. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"]
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    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.630953#.VIhv5GienjA.twitter

    What rubbish.

    TNR still has lots of Jewish writers.
    Also, most gentile writers on both ‘right’ and ‘left’ are shabbos goyim.
    And homo power is just a mini-me of Jewish power.

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    Steve, I appreciated your coverage of this issue, but that paragraph where you question how someone can be forced to perform oral sex is ridiculous. If you really were being pushed around by a gang of five men the obvious implied threat is that they will hurt you if you don’t do what they say, whether that is signing a document, making a phone call, performing oral sex, or anything.

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  82. Is there a single university in North America where the student body is overwhelmingly blond? BYU maybe?

  83. Kind of funny. My guess is their main concern is that it made them look stupid.

    Of course, it is. That’s why Bradley was the guy in the MSM who called bullshit on it. The original “shattered Glass” affair had to be humiliating as hell. Now, everyone knows that episode was only temporary insanity.

  84. “[The University of Virginia] where throngs of toned, tanned and overwhelmingly blond students fanned across a landscape of neoclassical brick buildings.”

    According to U-Va enrollment data, the University of Virginia’s undergrad student body is 28.4% minority – 6% black, 5.7% Hispanic, 12% Asian, plus another 5% other or mixed race. That would hardly amount to a sea of overwhelming blondness, especially when you consider that NoVa is filled with hundreds of thousands of “whites” of a more Near Eastern hue. That statement reveals Rubin Erdely’s own prejudices and bigorty.

    Sabrina Rubin Erdely and Rolling Stone may have been deceived by “Jackie,”, but they wanted to be deceived. They went looking for a story to bash whites, men, conservatives, and Southerners, and found Jackie just waiting for them. So they threw every principle of journalistic ethics out the window. Rubin Erdely had to know that the “Rugby Road” lyrics she used to punctuate her column were made-up bullshit. That lie is on her, not “Jackie.”

    And if Rubin Erdely still believes any part of her story, she should have a friend throw a beer bottle at her face with enough force to shatter on her face.

    Anyway, at what point is the identity of “Jackie” revealed? I would guess we’re within days of that happening. I predicted the story would be retracted by the end of the year, so now I’ll say the same for Jackie’s identity.

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  85. From what I gathered from the article, the student anti-white blond gang rape leader, Emily Renda, never filed charges in her alleged rape, either. She has since purveyed her story into a semi-lucrative career. Her current Twitter profile pic shows her beaming with pride at some conference at the White House, complete with visitor’s badge. So she’s probably aiming for some kind of political career.

    Has Sabrina Rubin Erdely made any statement or given any interviews since her story was quasi-retracted? Her complete absence in all this suggests she knew what she was doing.

  86. The liberals remain undeterred. They haven’t missed a beat. I mean, have y’all been to Huffpo lately? Whenever they get it wrong, as with UVA or Ferguson, they simply quadruple their efforts, which explains why every mainstream news site is currently saturated with anti-white screeds. Perhaps this uptick is also revenge for the Democrats’ defeat last month; white people got uppity, and now they have to remind us who’s really the boss.

    In response to this affair, there are already feminists saying we should believe all accusations of rape we hear. It’s worth it to sacrifice a few innocents, they say, because false accusations are (according to them) such a small fraction of total rape cases, and we might discourage all those genuine rape victims from coming forward by questioning their stories.

    UVA and Ferguson won’t hurt the left. In fact, they’ll be stronger for it because it will give them more practice at denying reality.

    Liberalism and Islam both seem to be unstoppable. I wonder what will happen when they finally bump heads. Maybe Europe will be where the battle begins.

  87. A factor I haven’t seen anyone talk about is what sometimes happens to good girls when they go away to college. They’re pleasers, they’ve worked hard. And they get away from the family and … maybe they discover that they don’t want to be who they’ve been pushed to be. And they have a big collapse. I’ve seen it loads of time — the good-girl breakdown. Jackie talked a lot in earlier accounts about what a good student she was and such. So I wouldn’t be surprised if something happened along the lines of: she wanted to win Randall; she made up the upperclassman to make Randall jealous; she got hysterical one night as a final big attempt to win sympathy … And, when it didn’t work, her life kind of collapsed. She wasn’t getting what she wanted, she couldn’t win the boy she wanted to win even when she went to extremes. Life just generally wasn’t working out how she wanted it to … And her zest and positivity deserted her, leaving her weeping for the rest of the semester on her bed, and making up lies to excuse her state of being to her friends and her family. By this point, who knows, maybe she believes her own lies.

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    Steve, I think this may have been what you were alluding to:

    1) Gone Girl is released in June, 2012
    2) It immediately hits the best seller list. It’s one of the big beach reads of the summer of 2012
    3) A young, smart, attractive Jackie heads off to college in August, 2012
    4) By September, she’s setting up elaborate lies and schemes to win the attention and love of a handsome young friend.

    Could this be the first case of Gillian Flynn Syndrome?

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    Shaddup!! The only comment you should be making to Sailer is “I’m not worthy”

    Fully stand by my comment. Jackie’s story seems to be just that– a case of fabrication. So why mockingly ridicule her fabrication on the basis that it’s laughably implausible someone could be “forced” to give felatio. That’s faulty reasoning and thereby stains what ought to be an absolute victory.

    Sailer wouldn’t make that argument if it was a Hollywood sex cabal involving teenage boys.

    The adolescent and approval-seeking side of Steve just wanted to be ‘edgy’ and score a few points with the pickup artist/manosphere crowd. The joke, however, falls flat because it entails a major inconsistency. On the one hand she’s quite possibly just a horny out-of-control slut who faced morning-after regret, but on the other hand the entire ordeal is actually a catfish fabrication? That contradiction precludes any real humor value.

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  90. I’m just asking how she was forced? I think we are owed a little detail about what was involved in the “forcing” by this point in saga?

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  91. I believe the notoriously unreliable Lillian Hellman named one volume of her memoirs “Pentimento.”

    As Mary McCarthy said, “Every word that she [Hellman] writes is a lie, including “and” and “the”

  92. (I don’t want to get too graphic but consider the mechanics of the knife to the throat scenario).

    A Stephen King story told of the narrator’s educated cellmate threatened with being put in this position. The man calmly explained to his potential tormentors the medical consequences of a knife going through the temple of a person whose teeth have just severed one’s member.

    They backed off. For good.

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  93. Oh come on! He’s in a good mood and having some fun. Lighten up, it’s got nothing to do with the “manosphere”. Everyone’s a little giddy; Steve had a great week.

  94. Since we’re patting backs all around here, I’ll just reiterate that I was among the first to espy Jackie’s increasingly likely mental illness:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/rolling-stone-apologizes-for-gang-rape-store/#comment-792002

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  95. mainstream news site

    cite needed

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    Also, the headers in the email supposedly sent from “chemistry junior” to Randall.

  97. “White euro women are not like this, and neither are white South American women in my experience. What is it that makes so many white women nuts? Feminism?”

    Methinks you should spend some time in Sweden before you say this.

  98. Or the Gillian Flynn Effect.

  99. I think the phrase commonly used in these circumstances is “too good to check.”

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    Some blogger supposedly has discovered Jackie’s real identity. And the pictures are of a cute, sweet looking young woman. Maybe played a role in the credibility she was afforded by the Rolling Stone writer.

  101. I wonder how many other news stories published in respectable outlets like this have been similarly wrong–either with the story made up from thin air like the Glass stories, or with the story drawn from some utterly unreliable source and then carefully not checked lest the whole thing collapse. Presumably, most of the time, nobody calls the reporter or magazine on it. This story was a little too spectacular and bizarre and a little too easy to check up on. My guess: this kind of false story pursued because the reporter and readers *really want to hear this kind of story* is probably more common than we think. Most of the time, the story doesn’t come apart, or at least the basic outline of the original story remains plausible despite whatever complicating details come out later. Often, the story is probably true, despite the shoddy fact-checking and wishful-thinking-filled actions of the reporters. But also, many times, we probably don’t ever notice that the reporters got all the facts wrong, or followed a completely unreliable source down the rabbit hole, or just made shit up, because nobody cares enough to follow up and check those facts.

  102. Personally, I’d rather not look into this but probably there is an appliance available from your local adult themed bondage store that facilitates forced oral copulation.

  103. A woman being coerced into oral sex by half a dozen men is pretty clearly possible.

    Jackie seems like a not-terribly-believeable witness at this point, but I am not convinced that what Erdeley wrote in her story had much to do with what Jackie said. (The literary flair and imagery of the story seems way more likely to have come from a professional journalist than from a random college student.). I wonder how much of the story came from Jackie at all. Presumably the outline came from her, but who knows how much was just Erdeley writing that novel she’s always had inside her.

  104. Must have been Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption, because that scene is in the movie The Shawshank Redemption. For some reason that scene stuck with me and I wondered if what he said was true or if he was just bluffing.

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    It’s time to make up a list of all the voices of respectable thought who got lured in by this story from November 19 – November 30, while only a few wacko extremists questioned it.

    Easy. Just check Erdely’s Twitter profile for favorited tweets. A lot of media types were tripping all over themselves to tweet out kudos to Erdely after the story was published.

  106. Yeah!! What Steve said.

  107. BS. I was the first to recognize the mental illness. Although I never put it in the comments. I thought it though. Trust me I did. Seriously.

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  108. I am so glad you pointed that out. The term “survivor” itself is very dramatic. In fact, it is perfectly dramatic for a mentally ill young woman that loves drama. This, of course, describes Jackie. And, to a large extent, it describes most feminists.

  109. This entire RS episode is a case of the mentally ill reporting on the mentally ill. Both Erdely and Jackie are obviously sickos.

  110. Catfishing is becoming pretty ubiquitous. If he’s a high smv dude, he’s probably been burned before. There is a basic and fundamentally limited arsenal of tricks they use, so it’s pretty hard to burn a mark twice. Still, good trigger discipline is to be commended. If she would have just physically escalated him instead of this merry little chase I think things would have gone a lot different and he’d probably be facing a bogus rape charge after breaking it off.

    Tangent: this reminds be that Coheed and Cambria is a great band. Haven’t heard from them in ages.

  111. Anderson Cooper of CNN should be near the top of the gullible list. He pushed the story hard as pure fact, and only a day or two before the story broke down featured interviews with two Virginia feminists, who pooh poohed the skeptics.

  112. respectable outlets

    cite needed

  113. P.S. We should make up a table of links of prominent, respectable publications and individuals who promoted “A Rape on Campus” from November 19 through November 30. It would be an interesting list of the gullible and the ideological.

    Don’t forget to include Rod Dreher.

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    It’s the details that mess up a hoax.

    The guy who wants to remain “just friends”.

    He may not be aware of it, but at some level he was able to smell the crazy.

    The creation of the mythical Alpha-male competitor, met at a pool (virile!) who communicates with her friends only by text, and reveals that this super hot girl is “worth it”…

    Unless college males have had their parts fall off in the last 30 years,
    NO GUY EVER TALKS LIKE THAT! That’s a chick confederate, or she’s creating the texts herself.

    The pic is proven to be a fake, the guy was a classmate from high school who barely knows her at all…..

    And this is all BEFORE the supposed attack….

    The very fishy events before the supposed rape, make it very understandable that her BFFs
    of what, a month?? Listen to her story and seem considerably less than mortified, and
    rallying to bring in the police. Indeed they seem like acquaintances humoring a girl with
    emotional problems which are becoming more problematic by the day.

    A year later she gets a beer bottle thrown into her face, it breaks and….. she has a bruise?
    What? Anybody with any experience of the physics of glass, and getting hit in the face,
    can suss out that falsehood. That kind of force would have you in the hospital.

    Details, details…

    This whole episode just goes to show us that while crazies can stir up a mess,
    but it is the nominally SANE people with agendas who facilitate the damage which
    ensues.

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  115. […] out that all of this was made up originally because she was interested in a guy who wasn’t interested in her. She hoped to make him jealous by inventing a guy who was awesome and completely devoted to her. […]

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    Thanks to modern feminism all male college students today sound like a bunch of emasculated metrosexuals. Its a fools errand to try and tell boys and girls apart nowadays based on text messages.

  117. “Is there a single university in North America where the student body is overwhelmingly blond? BYU maybe?”

    Mountain states like North Dakota and Utah for example will have the blondest universities because they have lower percentages of Nonwhites and very few Caucasoids of Mediterranean and Middle Eastern descent.

  118. “According to U-Va enrollment data, the University of Virginia’s undergrad student body is 28.4% minority – 6% black, 5.7% Hispanic, 12% Asian, plus another 5% other or mixed race. That would hardly amount to a sea of overwhelming blondness, especially when you consider that NoVa is filled with hundreds of thousands of “whites” of a more Near Eastern hue. That statement reveals Rubin Erdely’s own prejudices and bigorty.”

    For a University that is located in a former slave state like Virginia, the percentage of Blacks in that school is quite low and Asians are overrepresented in that school when you factor in that the overall percentage Asians in the Dixieland states is quite low compared to Hawaii, California, and New York City.

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  119. “It’s time to leave poor “Jackie” alone”

    What does a girl need to do…..

    She is not “poor”.

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    The way I see it, the premier southern universities are now completely disgraced. 1. Duke (you just don’t think of it the same way, do you?) 2. UNC- Chapel Hill (the vaunted athletics dept is so corrupt the flagship school of North Carolina has lost its sheen) 3. UVA – Thomas Jefferson’s vision is shattered and well it should be – he was a privileged white male slave owner. In light of the fact that the Southern Democrat has gone the way of the dinosaur … we can now safely wash our hands of this region AND their institutions of higher learning. (disclaimer: I live in NC )

  121. Btw, I smelled something weird when I read “smart” as an adjective describing her.

    Seriously, no man with options does that.

  122. Five guys just push her a little rough into a room against her wishes, and tell her that if she didn’t want to get f…d she’d better take it into her mouth. Of course she won’t dare bite it, because there are the other four guys who could still hurt her. I can easily imagine a woman being too frightened to bite it even if the guy is alone, because one cannot know how much the guy could still do even after his organ is hurting like hell. Especially if he’s under influence of drugs.

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  123. Emily Renda, UVa “sexual violence specialist,” is described as a recent graduate who herself “survived” a rape.

    Does a coed become a “specialist” in rape by virtue of her claim that she herself was raped?

    That’s akin to a person getting hired to teach Driver’s Ed by virtue of his claim that he was involved in a car wreck.

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  124. Steve, could you do a future blog entry investigating why so many white American women are just plain nuts? White euro women are not like this, and neither are white South American women in my experience. What is it that makes so many white women nuts? Feminism?

    I second the motion.

  125. BS. I was the first to recognize the mental illness. Although I never put it in the comments. I thought it though. Trust me I did. Seriously.

    Ha. Yes, well, I’m trying to regain some credibility with myself. I read the RS story and thought it was incredible–in the debased sense of horrifying and sickly fascinating. I wish I had originally thought it more incredible in the true sense of not believable.

  126. “Survivor” is a You-Go-Girl euphemism for “victim.”

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    Yeah, the boys in the movie would all look like evil Johnny from Karate Kid.

  128. Steve, could you do a future blog entry investigating why so many white American women are just plain nuts? White euro women are not like this, and neither are white South American women in my experience. What is it that makes so many white women nuts? Feminism?

    As a woman who’s lived in both Europe and the US, and is thus obviously an expert on all kinds of women, I gotta say: dude, no…

    Women everywhere make up stuff for attention all the time; the only variable is what kind of stuff they’re likely to make up. That, I think, depends on what themes are prominent in their particular milieu, which is why, if you live in the US, you hear about tons of cases around you. Hot topics will garner attention more effectively than any old story, and hot topics are generally somewhat local.

    But yeah, borderline girls exist all over the place.

  129. “Anderson Cooper of CNN should be near the top of the gullible list.”

    Gullible? Come on the guy did an internship at the CIA when he was in college. Look it up. He’s just another news actor paid to produce propaganda. None of these people are gullible they know what they’re doing.

  130. A frat-boy chemistry major? Unlikely. Chemical engineering maybe. Most of those guys where I went to college seemed to be business majors.

  131. U Va draws from a national pool, even though it is a state school. Asians are “overrepresented” (based on population numbers – academically they are discriminated against vs. students of other races with comparable grades/SATs) at all top national universities.

    The % of blacks is about right for a high ranked school that doesn’t have an overenthusiastic affirmative action program. Probably they would like more, but the place does not have a reputation as a school that blacks are eager to attend, so they can’t get enough who are minimally qualified (who would not flunk out spectacularly).

  132. Let me say this much on behalf of the friends of Jackie, some of whom may still harbor the belief that she was telling something like the truth when she talked about the supposed sexual assaults on her.

    When someone lies, it is actually sometimes much, much easier for outside parties to divine the truth than it is for intimates to do so.

    That’s because outside parties aren’t swamped with the vast array of deliberately misleading verbal and non-verbal cues that a liar utilizes when he or she plies her trade. It’s hard not to believe someone who goes through histrionics when they talk about something awful that happened to her. Outsiders hear instead summaries of what was alleged, and squares them against what’s known, and can easily poke holes where the fabric is weak.

    Maybe. In my experience (and what I read agrees with this), it’s much easier to spot a lie from a friend than from a stranger. This is because lie-detecting is easiest when we have a baseline; we’re more likely to spot a lie from someone we know well because we know how he acts when he tells the truth, and we have more insight into his personality.

    That said, we’re also much more likely to be loyal to a friend than to a stranger, and that loyalty can cause us to turn off our critical thinking. Women are much more prone to this, in my experience. This seems to dovetail with your comment.

  133. The answer is words and implied threat of violence, of course.

    I was going to say the same thing. On the other hand, that’s the threat of force, not force. Thus, coercion would be better diction, particularly for someone who makes a living with words.

    Happens to formerly tough-guy prisoners on a regular basis.

    Not really. Forcible rape is only reported by a fraction of 1% of all convicts. I don’t know how small a fraction, because the stuff I read about the survey seemed more designed to obscure than to enlighten. Most of them are probably poofters at heart.

    Women who lie about everything…you should meet my sister. If a girl doesn’t go to the police after she gets raped I just assume she enjoyed it and is now protecting her rapist, as callous as that sounds.

    Yeah, that goes over like a lead balloon in our psycho society, but that rule (well, a polished version) would probably serve us better than the one we have now.

    Hate to respond to this because it’s so daft, but the whole point of the original comment is that the white girl will blame blacks for rape, only to be then proven a liar by an enterprising journalist. This is roughly the same plot as “To Kill a Mockingbird”, replacing the lawyer with the press.

    Thank you. This case is now about FALSE accusations of rape. The victims are the frat boys.

    Liberalism and Islam both seem to be unstoppable. I wonder what will happen when they finally bump heads. Maybe Europe will be where the battle begins.

    Am I the only one who’s already decided to join Team Islam, if it comes to that?

  134. Jackie reminds me a lot of Tania Head, the fake 9/11 survivor. They both appear to be afflicted with “pseudologica fantastica” (see below)…

    http://nypost.com/2012/03/25/she-wasnt-there/

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    Because Shut Up!

  136. So in the mind of an 18 year old girl, being gang raped is MORE likely to get a guy to like her? She has much to learn.

    Virginia has a democrat governor and voted Obama twice. I doubt uva is really a right wing bastion now.

  137. What’s the likelihood that Jackie in a manic state wandered off campus and got raped by a gang of blacks? Could that be what’s at the bottom of her story? She needs sympathy but in the middle of Ferguson fever even whites murdered with hammers get ignored. So to get the emotional support she felt she deserved Jackie turned her tragedy into a story she knew would earn her sympathy and victim status on campus.

  138. “Yeah, the boys in the movie would all look like evil Johnny from Karate Kid.”

    Or Karl the evil blond haired German terrorist from “Die Hard”.

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  139. “That’s akin to a person getting hired to teach Driver’s Ed by virtue of his claim that he was involved in a car wreck.”

    Great line.

    My old neighbor Bill, the Japanese-American character actor, had a day job teaching driver’s ed for LAUSD. He taught me how to drive in 1975, and he was excellent both at driving (he drove a 911) and at teaching driving.

  140. Like I said, by this point we are owed some questions about anything Jackie says to see if it sounds plausible.

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  141. I don’t think she was forced to perform oral sex on anybody. If she did so, she did out of her own volition, but I personally wouldn’t bet even on that. But I think the scenario in and of itself is plausible enough: five men can easily force one woman to perform fellatio on each one of them, if they wish so. Some of the same implausibilities that we noticed with the gang rape still apply: why would five university students risk prison for the rest of their lives only to get a blowjob?

  142. Funny how watching that movie so many years later you realize the anti-WASP subtext in the movie. Most of the good guys are dark-haired ethnic minorities – except for the babe, of course.

    The insanely popular Broadway musical “Wicked” also has a Jew v. WASP subplot going on, with Elpheba (dressed like a Hasidic Jew) vs. the WASP Glenda, who even by the end of the show never truly redeems herself.

    Once you know the trope, you see it everywhere.

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  143. Or Karl the evil blond haired German terrorist from “Die Hard”.

    I read about a paragraph of an article about that guy, years back. The writer knew him, said he had an elevator conversation where the guy told him “I’m shit,” “my life is shit,” etc. Said some time later he heard he’d killed himself.

  144. The WWG angle is a brilliant insight. Oh, how this is turning into an own-goal for the social justice warriors. Since we’re all supposed to be concerned about under-representation of various minorities in various professions, OK, are lesbians under-represented in rape-counseling and women’s advocacy positions at universities? Let’s get those numbers so that we can all know! It’s good for everyone to be out and proud, right?

  145. Has anyone ever asked Andy, Cindy and Randall whether “Jackie” had any injuries from the broken glass? Anyone?

  146. Catfishing TV series – two jewish gentleman travel the US meeting the gullible, the bewildered, the naive, the cynical, the victims. But guess what, amazingly none of those featured ever turn out to be jewish themselves. It’s a puzzle to be sure.

  147. Exactly. Frank should have made that clear, the lawyer fighting for the truth – the truth that the quiet, dignified, nerdish black boys were innocent all along.

  148. Sure, hypothetical “threats” from 18 year old upper middle class frat boys are the same as threats from convicted felons doing hard time…… in what Universe.

  149. Hey Steve, congrats on making Unz’s “featured column”. Good to see you’re coming up to speed!

    Will there be an Unz Review office party?

  150. It could have been a Google Voice, Magic Jack, or other number that people can add to their cell phones, free of charge. These numbers enable users to text or call from multiple numbers on a single phone.

  151. Jackie could have added an additional number to her phone with a free service like Google Voice.

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    Funny how watching that movie so many years later you realize the anti-WASP subtext in the movie.

    Had the occasion to re-watch “A League of Their Own” with my daughter– saw it originally in middle-childhood. There’s a scene where the league representative (commissioner?) is announcing to the ladies that the league will be disbanded the subsequent season as the war has ended and the men are coming home. The girls are shocked and appalled and the commissioner is very remorseful and sympathetic to their plight, but it’s that damn heartless greedy owner’s prerogative.

    It’s now apparent to me that the commissioner is obviously Jewish (and young and attractive) and that the owner is a gruff old WASP confectionery titan. Talk about schmaltz and chutzpah wrapped into one. Have to wonder who made all of this a point of emphasis in a kids movie? Screenwriter, director, producer, or studio exec? Actually, it so happens, as far as I can tell, that the question of the ethnicity of that specific individual is moot.

  153. […] story has more and more holes. Related: Was it made up simply to make a man jealous? Related: UVA, Erdely, and Renda. Related: More on Renda. Related: Emily Renda’s Senate […]

  154. Not typically to “tough guy prisoners,” but to young, weak inmates. They’re usually gang raped first, or graphically threatened. Unlike at the University of Virginia, such an inmate can’t walk away, and is commonly discouraged or penalized for making a complaint to prison staff. Thus, the phenomenon of inmates unwillingly giving fellatio to other inmates is not comparable to the tale that “Jackie” told.

  155. I believe the formally correct term for what you describe is “spit roasting.”

  156. Actually, what she doesn’t like are the tall, blond, handsome gentile athletes who never gave her the time of day when she was in college.

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    I see a great low-budget documentary here. Think we can interest the VICE kidz?

  158. […] story has more and more holes. Related: Was it made up simply to make a man jealous? Related: UVA, Erdely, and Renda. Related: More on Renda. Related: Emily Renda’s Senate […]

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    “Happens to formerly tough-guy prisoners on a regular basis.”
    This.
    Sailer should have done some studying about rape before he wrote this piece. He sounds like the Italian judge who thought women couldn’t be raped if they were wearing jeans.

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