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From the New York Times:

Reimagining Norman Rockwell’s America

By Laura M. Holson
Nov. 8, 2018

The idea is to recast Norman Rockwell paintings with Diversity. It’s a pathetically lame idea, but who cares about artistic taste anymore? What matters now is Representation. We need more pictures of the Good People and fewer pictures of the Bad People.

For example, Rockwell’s Freedom of Speech is too pale and male:

Commenter syonredux says:

Let’s see, how can this be improved? How about we replace that icky working class White guy with a glamorous, wealthy Black Latinx actress….And have her LARP as a lipstick Lesbian?

 
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  1. First they came for Robert E. Lee, but I do not ride horses, so I said nothing.
    Then they came for Norman Rockwell, but I do not paint, so I said nothing.
    Then they came for that Verizon guy, and when I said, “Can you hear me now?” there was no answer.

    Could have been bad service. I’m not sure.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • LOL: bomag, Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Anonymous
    , @Joe Stalin
  2. Jake says:

    That is indeed the way Liberals see the world: image is better than actual reality, and the hatred of Whites who are normal people is the driving force.

    That is the driving force because of Christendom, because Christendom was built and run by white men, and even the smallest nostalgic revery about Christendom is to be uprooted, often with sever punishment.

    That means that unless yo opposition to Liberalism is about remaking Christendom in some fashion, you are no better than pissing in the wind.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Ragno
  3. Tiny Duck says:

    Rockwell represents a dark past of white supremacy. Do you deny that America was a racist country they?

    This is a change for the better
    Lunch up not then

  4. Altai says:

    I was watching the Rugby tests yesterday (I’m not a real rugby fan) and was taken aback at how the Wallabies are suddenly (I last saw a game with them maybe 1.5-2 years ago but looking at pictures there seemed about the same number of Islanders back then, maybe it was the spectacle of their entire front scrum line being Islanders) about half Pacific Islanders with 14 of the 34 being born abroad. (The main ringer having Togan parents and played for the under 21 All Blacks before moving to Australia)

    It was the most surreal thing I had ever seen. I went on the internet to look up the hell happened and I find several editorials from different English language papers in different rugby countries all with the same boilerplate of essentially “This new multicultural team better represents the new Australia”. Because when I think of multicultural urban Australia, I think of one that’s 60% old stock Anglo-Celtic and 40% Tongan/Fijian. There were fewer Maori or Islanders on the All Blacks team playing the same day!

    Turns out the new manager is Harvey Weinstein’s Lebanese cousin who played professional rugby in the day and made millions in a Philip Green style import spivery. He assigned a former Fiji captain as the assistant couch and now suddenly the team looks anything but ‘like Australia’. What’s hilarious is he self-consciously defended his decisions of obviously importing foreign ringers in a way no other rugby nation has ever come close to in scale by saying to the effect “I think their decision to play for a foreign country shows greater patriotism” (That special patriotism that only manifests when there’s something in it for you)

    http://www.rugby.com.au/-/media/news/2016/12/170125-wallabies.ashx?h=667&la=en&mw=1000&w=1000&hash=E2E5039E76852763A9C0FA375373809E8945EC06

    And speaking of representation in sports, has Steve heard about the scandal at PSV where there was an unofficial quota on African players? (In an echo of an earlier scandal at French football academies from 2014)

    • Replies: @Anonym
    , @Expletive Deleted
  5. The only thing problematic about that particular cultural appropriation is the title “Freedom of Speech”. Isn’t that a racist sexist homophobe thing? And maybe “antisemitic” too, depending on the day of the week.

    The new version of the picture is double plus good, but it needs a new title.

    Suggestions? ;)

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @bomag
  6. IHTG says:

    Fun battle between class-focused and identity-focused leftists – Matt Stoller vs Sean “Abolish ICE” McElwee: https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/1060949056065847296

  7. MEH 0910 says:

    Cultural appropriation punching up vs. cultural appropriation punching down.

  8. DFH says:

    So the new America is all about people with neck tattoos?

    • Replies: @jinks
  9. El Dato says:

    Reaching rock bottom. Stall warnings being ignored by pilots who are interested in whether the sandwich contains chicken or vegs.

    IMHO Rockwell was portraying the “new guy in town” deciding to speak out while not having any support around him. People around are basically signaling “who is that guy and why is he rattling the cage”.

    That photo is the assembled sisters deciding to speak “Technicolor Truth to Patriarchy”.

    NOT THE SAME.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. There’s no such thing as Cultural Appropriation in a “Melting Pot”.

  11. bomag says:

    They instinctually know the propagandizing power of the visual medium; so, of course, recast everything in the “proper” manner.

    A rather anodyne article until this point:

    “All of these people have their own communities,” he said of those photographed. “Everyone wants to be a good person. The demonizing of people doesn’t help.”

    Unless you are demonizing Whites, who I guess are real demons, so it is okay.

    Laughable is the recasting of “Freedom of Worship” with Muslims, as if there is any hint another sect would be allowed to flourish in Muslim domains.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  12. Hypocrisy at it’s best
    Imagine if we could travel back in time to D-Day and tell the soldiers their grandsons would one day be raped in parks by Africans while their granddaughters are passed around like meat by Pakistanis. They’d kill their officers and land back at Dover hunting for Churchill.

  13. It’s the Hamiltonization of Culture. They will Colorize and Feminize American History to make America’s Founding more diverse. Like when the Soviets slightly changed portraits of Khrushchev or Brezhnev where their skin was darker or eyes more almond shaped to be hung in the more Eastern and East Asian SSR’s.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @ben tillman
  14. These twits are incapable of creating anything original.

    They can only pervert, twist and weaponize the work of real artists.

    Rockwell’s genius was in finding our common denominator. He’d be lost today.

  15. Pericles says:

    OK, OK, great that they found a trans mulatto to take that pose instead, but zhe is just too white. Work it over with photoshop, willya.

  16. Only an inveterate racist would make something like this:

    https://goo.gl/images/GFUQPZ

  17. Danindc says:

    Does neck tattoo guy also have tear drop tattoos for all the cholos he killed? Is the Latinx woman speaking up at his sentencing? Is the black guy his court-appointed lawyer? He could be going away for a long time…

  18. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:

    We should pound them over the head again and again with the fact that transgenderism is appropriation.

  19. From the “pissing on it to make it mine” school of reimagination.

  20. 1) If you want to do woke versions of Norman Rockwell paintings, first find a woke artist (preferably non-white) who can paint like Norman Rockwell. Then get back to me.

    2) Norman Rockwell is in heaven looking down on this. Today’s weather report calls for scattered showers of vomit.

  21. Arclight says:

    Too much success and comfort can be a bad thing seems to be the moral of 21st century America. When the overwhelming majority of the public has few actual unmet material needs and no external threat that appears to threaten its freedoms, apparently the instinct is to attack one’s own culture and citizens. The phrase “Great civilizations are not murdered. They commit suicide” seems appropriate.

  22. Talk about replacement. People once complained about culture and history being “whitewashed”; now, it looks like the great “brownwashing” is under way.

  23. LOL. Sure black people–or the homosexual “grandparents”–can roast a turkey and put on a great family feed.

    But “freedom of speech”? “Freedom of speech”–having the patience, intelligence, consideration and decency to sit still and listen to and consider your opponents arguments is about the whitest, most Anglo-Saxon, thing ever.

    Heck, minorities–blacks particularly–can’t even do freedom of speech in the context of United States where it’s enshrined in ths US Constitution. It’s racist! Facts, logic, arguments, i don’t like–racist! Of course, they’ve been encouraged in this direction by theorizing “white” people who don’t much like freedom of speech either. But it comes pretty naturally. You sayin’ shit i don’t like? We’ll see ’bout that.

    If Rosario Dawson standing up there starts saying stuff someone in that crowd doesn’t like, there is going to be yelling and hollering, then the fur–and fists and chairs–will start flying.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Lurker
    , @Jeek
  24. Why doesn’t the popularity among white people of Eastern practices like yoga, meditation and tai chi count as cultural appropriation?

  25. Oh, excuse me. I was crimethinking. That was doubleplusungood of me. I will report myself to O’Brien.

  26. Anon[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Wasn’t socialist realism where you had to paint images as if the work sets paradise had already come into being?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  27. Anonym says:

    If someone here can find or recreate some of these Norman Rockwell paintings with “le 56 face”, I’ll be very happy. I guess it goes to show that if you find something of genius on /pol/, you had best save it because you won’t be able to find it again.

  28. songbird says:

    I seem to recall that late in life, Rockwell had a kind of numinous Negro streak, or at least he did a few paintings with black children in them.

  29. Gordo says:

    Its genocide porn for those who want to wipe out the White race.

  30. craig says:

    Too pale and male, and also working-class Deplorable to satisfy the Woke Apocalypse. Notice how in the “reimagined” version, nobody is unfashionably dressed, stained, rumpled, wrinkled, tired-looking, or even just plain homely. Only because their mouths are closed can we not see their gleaming, perfectly straight capped teeth. It’s as authentic as a Hollywood production.

  31. craig says:
    @Arclight

    It does seem to be an autoimmune disorder of some kind.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Pericles
  32. Corvinus says:

    ““Freedom of speech”–having the patience, intelligence, consideration and decency to sit still and listen to and consider your opponents arguments is about the whitest, most Anglo-Saxon, thing ever.”

    Yep, and ONLY those Anglo-Saxons who founded our nation are capable of handling such a weighty matter. Do YOU, AnotherDad, directly trace both sides to the 1600′s? No? Then you must go back.

    Consider the immortal words of Alt Right leader Vox Day –> “So I’m going to make some of you extremely uncomfortable here, because what I’m going to tell you – and this is not going to be comfortable for those of you who are US citizens – a lot of you are not Americans and you never were. Your parents aren’t, you’re grandparents aren’t, because Americans are defined very, very clearly and the United States Constitution was written for a very specific group of people and that doesn’t include immigrants, it doesn’t include refugees, it doesn’t include the great grand children of former immigrants, it doesn’t include anybody except for the sons and daughters of the American Revolution…The Italians and the Irish were the original problem. They could have, and should have, been handled like the Chinese were. But they laid the groundwork for the Jews, the Germans, and the Scandinavians, who made things even worse. And they paved the way for the Mexicans, the Africans, and the Muslims. At this point, the USA probably can’t get back to 1986, let alone 1965.”

    A damning indictment on white Europeans who opened up the floodgates to other “alien”, but white, Europeans to invade our shores, nuzzle with our nubile women, and run roughshod over our liberties. Indeed, nativists from the mid and late 1800’s were not too keen, to put it mildly, on several European ethnic groups, chiefly the Irish and the Italians, arriving here because of their genetically inferiority and social incompetence. Recall it did not matter that these newcomers were white, it mattered to nativists that these two groups were utterly incapable of fitting in. Nativists were convinced the Irish and Italians possessed in-born tendencies that would perversely transform the American landscape as created by Anglo-Saxons.

    So, using Voxian logic–remember, he is a 3SD+ mega genius–our ancestors who came AFTER the founding of our great nation are not “American”, and they assuredly are not “Heritage Americans”. So, Rockwell’s painting was an affront to this particular group of people when he included darker skinned folks from Eastern and Southern Europe in his seminal work. Again, who on this very fine blog are able to claim on BOTH sides their direct lineage to the English, thus boldly pronouncing to the world their title of nobility?

    Of course, AnotherDad, the truth of the matter is that the Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities, who have the philosophical pedigree to adopt them as they immerse themselves in our society. You are perfectly entitled to your own self-importance, but you displaying the imperial hubris that demands a sense of its own universalism. In other words, you are stuck in a now defunct world where one group is totally superior in knowledge and morality compared to other groups, which is a phantom pleasure of thinking itself as THE center of the universe. The Enlightenment was a liberating tsunami that washed away the notion of Europe’s own cosmopolitan worldliness and enabled individuals from “far away places” like Mexico and Nigeria take the ideas of Locke and Voltaire and apply them to their lives.

  33. Thirdtwin says:

    It would be better with a big-eared silhouette of Obama contemplating it.

  34. Cortes says:

    The original speaker looks too much of a “deplorable.”

  35. Corvinus says:

    Breaking news…Norman Rockwell was a leftist, anti-white propagandist. [Huge gasp from crowd]

    “It was part of Rockwell’s mission to reach as many Americans as possible, but he faced limitations—the Post’s conservative outlook chief among them. As [Stephanie] Plunkett [chief curator at the Norman Rockwell Museum] explained, ‘Showing people of color in roles other than service industry roles, for instance, wasn’t possible for him at the Post.’ At one point, Rockwell recalled being directed to paint over a person of color he’d included in one of his group pictures, because it was against the magazine’s policy.”

    “‘He was really struck by those ideals,’ explained Plunkett, ‘and he wanted to find a way to convey them to a public he knew would have a hard time—as he did—grappling with big questions, like: ‘What are we really deciding to protect?’ ‘What does freedom really look like?’ His feeling that art can have an impact beyond entertainment came to him at that time.’”

    Rockwell was emboldened, but it wasn’t until 1963, when he left the Post and started working with the liberal publication Look magazine, that he began to address more controversial issues—namely, his support of civil rights. Consciousness-raising became his modus operandi, led by a 1963 painting, The Problem We All Live With, which became a cover image for Look. It was inspired by both the 1954 Supreme Court case Brown v. Board of Education, which ruled the unconstitutionality of school segregation, and, in particular, the story of Ruby Bridges, the first black child to desegregate the all-white William Frantz Public School in New Orleans. The painting shows a young black girl being escorted into school, enduring a volley of tomatoes and a corridor marked by hateful graffiti. At the time, the American public’s response was mixed. Some criticized the painting for its support of civil rights or, on the other side, lambasted Rockwell for supposed hypocrisy: as one reader wrote, “Just where does Norman Rockwell live? Just where does your editor live? Probably both of these men live in all-white, highly expensive, highly exclusive neighborhoods. Oh what hypocrites all of you are!”

    “But many people across racial lines applauded the cover, seeing it as a positive example of the Civil Rights Movement’s growing momentum. Afterwards, Rockwell went on to paint numerous pictures that called for both racial and religious equality. (It’s worth noting that, while Rockwell occasionally made humorous paintings questioning traditional gender roles, he never overtly addressed equal rights for women or the emerging feminist movement of the 1960s.)”

    https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-norman-rockwell-matters

    • Troll: Ragno
  36. Some people define themselves through the works of art they make. Others define themselves through smashing, mocking and perverting other people’s art. There can be no coexistence with such people.

    No nation should be forced to be ruled by people who detest them and delight in mocking them.

    The Cloths of Heaven

    Had I the heaven’s embroidered cloths,
    Enwrought with golden and silver light,
    The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
    Of night and light and the half-light;
    I would spread the cloths under your feet:
    But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
    I have spread my dreams under your feet;
    Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

    W. B. Yeats

  37. @Corvinus

    Right. I often here Nigerians and Mexicans quoting Locke, but they favor Hume even more.

  38. Wilkey says:

    Perhaps one white person in there, though she’s probably just a dye-job or a Conquistador-American.

    This is basically Magic Dirt Theory in action. They don’t need to “recreate” this picture in the United States. There are ~20 Latin American countries where you could paint this picture. All you’d need to do is maybe import a handful of Mohemmadans so you could have that lady in the hijab.

    Oh and then you’d have to embrace free speech and participatory democracy, but that’s another matter. I guess they aren’t able to do that in the 20 countries covering 7.4 million square miles that Latin Americans already control, so they need to take our 3.8 million square miles in order to do it.

    When history is written (if there are honest, objective people still around to write it) the history of Latino migration into the US won’t be about the United States embracing poor Latino “minorities” from the southern part of the Americas. It will be about the dominant population in the Americas conquering one of the last remaining non-Latino countries here. Latin America covers 7.4 million square miles versus only 3.8 million square miles for the US. The non-Latino part of the US population is only about 280 million people versus 690 million for Latin America plus Latinos in the US.

    Latino immigration to the US is about a *majority* conquering and replacing a *minority.* But perhaps we Anglos will still have Canada…

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Troll: AndrewR
  39. MEH 0910 says:

  40. t says:

    OT:Nine people arrested by Texas AG’s office for voter fraud

    https://valleycentral.com/news/local/five-people-arrested-by-texas-ags-office-for-voter-fraud

    The nine individuals, Guadalupe Sanchez Garza, Araceli Gutierrez, Brenda Rodriguez, Rosendo Rodriguez, Cynthia Tamez, Ruby Tamez, Belinda Rodriguez, Felisha Yolanda Rodriguez and Jerry Gonzalez, Jr., will be prosecuted by the Hidalgo County DA’s Office.

  41. Mr. Pink says:
    @Corvinus

    You sound triggered son. Have some warm milk and take a nice long nap.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  42. Hey, they could re-imagine Rockwell’s iconic painting The Problem We All Live With as a short 36 year old transgender trans-age dude being escorted to kindergarten by tattooed/roided-up federal agents bravely protecting xe from the haters of society who aren’t fully on board with that sort of thing.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  43. It is ironic that they chose the Freedom of Speech painting since PC culture is what is destroying freedom of speech.

  44. @Corvinus

    Again, who on this very fine blog are able to claim on BOTH sides their direct lineage to the English, thus boldly pronouncing to the world their title of nobility?

    Bah, we can always conquer Canada if we need a place for ‘white but not Hajnal’. Who is going to stop us?

    Of course, AnotherDad, the truth of the matter is that the Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities, who have the philosophical pedigree to adopt them as they immerse themselves in our society.

    And if the idea was independently invented elsewhere, that might even be believable.

    The Enlightenment was a liberating tsunami that washed away the notion of Europe’s own cosmopolitan worldliness and enabled individuals from “far away places” like Mexico and Nigeria take the ideas of Locke and Voltaire and apply them to their lives.

    Yes, it isn’t enough that we have the Terror in France- we can make it universal so everyone can engage in war against all! We got to see that with red revolution world wide killing hundreds of millions- is that not progress?

  45. TGGP says: • Website

    The guy on the bottom-right looks white, so I guess he was permitted a prominent place in the picture because his tattoos were ugly enough to say “This ain’t your grandparents’ Norman Rockwell!”.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Tony
  46. jim jones says:

    Plenty of White people in London today, I wonder what the reason was?

  47. Vatisker says:
    @Wilkey

    The irony being that Spain and the indigenous people of the Americas for centuries did everything in their military power to prevent the settlement and expansion of the English speaking colonies and the ultimate creation of The United States.

    The hybrid of these two races, now desperate to escape the corrupt failed societies they’ve created, seem to have forgotten the great sacrifices necessary from the ancestors of the people who live here to defeat them.

  48. JimB says:

    Good People demand free speech so they can communicate such important heartfelt ideas as…

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/10/report-country-club-bars-man-after-calling-tucker-carlsons-daughter-a-cnt-whore/

    • Replies: @dr kill
  49. jcd1974 says:
    @Wilkey

    But perhaps we Anglos will still have Canada…

    No, the future of Canada belongs to Chinese and (East) Indians.

    • Replies: @Jake Barnes
  50. Wilkey says:

    Perhaps the biggest difference between the two pictures isn’t the skin color of the subjects. In the Rockwell painting most of the people look fairly happy. In Woke Rockwell only one (the blonde one, ironically or not) looks happy, and all the rest look angry or frustrated, plus that standard blank expression we’ve all come to expect from hijab wearers.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  51. Alfa158 says:
    @Wilkey

    Nope sorry, have you visited Canada recently? Canada is becoming Asian, and the government is calling for an even more massive increase in Chinese and Indian immigration. Australia and New Zealand still have a chance to remain predominantly Anglo, but the issue is still in doubt.

  52. Ms. Dawson seems to have been out of the picture lately, only recently reemerging as a standard issue mewling Hollywood lefty. But I am glad to be reminded of her beauty. I remember her in that movie Clerks 25 years ago. She looked like ten million bucks then, and hasn’t strayed far since (maybe down to about $8 million ?).

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    , @Lurker
  53. Tyrion 2 says:

    Does Rosario Dawson support free speech or is she a “your speech has consequences” kind of girl?

    • Replies: @Lurker
  54. @Alfa158

    Vancouver and Toronto are becoming Asian, not all of Canada. We Anglo Canadians are losing our cities because the Chamber of Commerce types literally sold us out while the liberal-progressives helped and cheered them on. Back in England, it’s much worse.

    Anglo and Franco Canada will survive but away from the big cities. That’s the hand we have to play on the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @ben tillman
  55. Altai says:
    @Alfa158

    Have you been to Australia or New Zealand recently? All Anglosphere countries are, presumably due to garbage Regan/Thatcherite ideas being easier to disseminate in English and the number of potential immigrants with English language skills, embracing insane economic policies that revolve around endless cheap foreign labour and high personal debt and house prices along with rampant privatisation.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  56. TWS says:

    Nice Cargo Cult they’re trying to create. Maybe they’ll get some of it right if they copy the whole thing.

  57. I like that the only white person is a late 30s/early 40s white woman staring dopily off into space in a happy, SSRI-induced fog. Very realistic.

  58. inertial says:

    Here is another version. My title: Struggle Session for Trump.

    More at this link, including a little immigrant girl escorted by border patrol thugs, a boy scout swearing an oath to Homintern, and a bespectacled white nerd who dreams of growing up to be a big black basketball player.

    On the other hand, their modern version of The Gossips is funny and clever.

  59. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

    Antifa got banned gor what it DID. In contrast, rightist groups get banned merely for what they THINK. Jared Taylor was dropped by Paypal and Twitter for his thoughts.

  60. Neoconned says:
    @Corvinus

    LOL as if the English were the only whites here pre Revolution or who fought in said revolution…

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  61. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Cucky Corvy, get your VDDS checked out by a doctor pronto! You are one sick puppy.

  62. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    Plenty of artists trend toward leftism. Doesn’t make it an ideology anybody should embrace.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  63. anonjohn says:

    Rockwell created works of art that required great skill and talent, nowadays we have a cheap photographed diversity imitation.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  64. Zed says:

    Propaganda is propaganda is propaganda. See Soviet propaganda posters which I believe predates the Rockwell war bond poster. Quite similar, all.

  65. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    More of your turgid, dreary posts; marked by flawed premises and fallacy embracement coupled with a dichotomous way of thinking.

    These are political debates; Nativists and Universalists both have a point, but we don’t have to totally embrace one or the other.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  66. ZeroDay says:

    OT

    The minority outrage pipeline running from social media to traditional media is the Left’s soft underbelly. Twitter amplifies the craziest portions of the Left while traditional media credulously report, largely for eyeballs and idealogical sympathy. Social media is reluctant to crack down for fear of hurting their active user count. See lots and lots of real news stories, originating from someone with a few hundred Twitter followers.

    The NPC meme hit on a truth that most leftist social media accounts could be replicated by bots. Combine them with some human input and computer generated photos. It would take a lot of effort to spot the reals from fakes. If they are minority accounts, there would be even more reluctance to questioning them because of intersectionality. Black Twitter, in particular. The more militant and hateful, more so.

    Never understood why Russia didn’t take this approach. In 2016, they appealed to far right fears, as opposed to amplifying the worst tendencies of the left. The prior will have limited reach, whereas the latter will be promulgated far and wide. In a situation, where Dems now control the house, one could easily see this approach derailing the Far Left or at the very least, discrediting Twitter and a large portion of online media.

    The fact that Russia never used this approach, makes me think they didn’t really think it through.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  67. @Corvinus

    Rockwell was republican and conservative most of his life, his third wife was a dyed in the wool marxist school teacher who influenced him.

    It’s funny how the four freedoms – the first speech one – is a working class guy- the exact ‘deplorable’ that the lefties at the NYT hate… and like they give a damn about free speech!!

    The Norman Rockwell Museum would love this, it’s ran by Ken Burns type rural white liberals.

    I remember a few years ago – I wish I can remember his name – an art critic at the village voice said to the effect “it’s ok to recognize him [rockwell] as a great painter – we no longer have to pretend he isn’t because we have thoroughly won the cultural and demographic war”

    It’s pathetic and sad that lefties and SJW warriors can only look at his work and find ‘heresey’ and like one of Cromwell’s roundheads, smash or alter the the stained glass to remove the ‘popish’ parts.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Corvinus
  68. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @Lot

    Yep, as one wall falls, the Left is happy to pay for a new one to be built. In short order, Quillette will be required to purge some people to send a message that they will not tolerate hate. No siree! That’s not who they are.

    The “intellectual dark web” is the Monkeys of post-white America. It’s intended to be a totally safe alternative to the real thing.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  69. For example, Rockwell’s Freedom of Speech is too pale and male …

    Actually, in the SJWs’ opinion, freedom of speech itself is just too pale and male anymore. Off with our tongues!

  70. anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    how ARE New Orleans public schools doing these days?

  71. PaceLaw says:

    Who is the horrible bigot that came up this supposedly diverse image? Where are the representatives of the disabled community? Where are the dwarfs? Why are there no Zulu tribesmen or Hindu priests??? Damn it, if you are going to do diversity you had might as well do it right!

  72. LOL! The reworked Rockwell illustration is our future as the dimocrat party imagines it. I’ve attended some political meetings with approximately the racial mix depicted in the reworked picture. They aren’t the orderly New England town meetings of Rockwell’s time. In the “new” America Roberts Rules of Order will be one of the first casualties.

    An accurate depiction would somehow include the loud “Amen, sister” and similar exhortations interrupting the illogical, emotional eructations of approved speakers. It would include the even more obnoxious and obscene interruptions from those in the audience who disagree with a speaker. Finally an accurate picture would depict a number of scuffles and even some fistfights occurring in the background.

    This might provide a more accuarate depiction of our future: https://youtu.be/w3wp6fC7vbo

    • Replies: @RationalExpressions
  73. Achilles says:

    There is something missing from the new and improved version. The label “Freedom of Speech” underneath the image seems to have been omitted. Should we suspect that what they really have in mind is not freedom of speech?

    he made based on Mr. Rockwell’s “Freedom From Fear.” In Mr. Peterson’s interpretation, a black man holds a newspaper with the words “I Can’t Breathe,” a reference to Eric Garner, the unarmed black man from Staten Island who died in 2014 after he was placed in a chokehold by the police.

    Actually, this one should be called “Freedom for Blacks from Law.” Because if you’re black, you get to pick and choose which laws you follow, and if they pass some stupid tax law against selling loose cigarettes, you don’t have to obey that one. And if you don’t want to be arrested that day, you shouldn’t have to be. And if you’re the size of an NFL left tackle, the police should have to fight you one-on-one if they want to arrest you, because you’re “unarmed.” And if the officer supervising the arrest happens to be a black female police sergeant, she should get airbrushed out of the narrative.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  74. @Arclight

    Too much success and comfort can be a bad thing seems to be the moral of 21st century America.

    When the overwhelming majority of the public has few actual unmet material needs and no external threat that appears to threaten its freedoms, apparently the instinct is to attack one’s own culture and citizens.

    The phrase “Great civilizations are not murdered. They commit suicide” seems appropriate.

    The so-called “success and comfort” is a scam built on a series of asset bubbles created by the monetary extremism of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.

    The “few unmet material needs” bit must sound funny to young people who can’t afford to get married and have children.

    The European Christian civilization that created the United States is indeed being murdered by the WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire. White genocide is underway in the United States and other European Christian nations.

    If the economy is “booming” and everything is great, why is the federal funds rate at 2 percent? Why not put the federal funds rate back to the normal level of 6 percent?

    Remember, the federal funds rate was 20 percent in 1981.

  75. Paul Cadmus should get a similar do-over.

  76. Dtbb says:
    @Corvinus

    Nice speech. You should be thankful you were lucky enough to be born in America to make it and for this site and its commenters to respectfully listen and suffer you.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  77. Anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Artists are idiots then as now. So I guess we really should thank the SEPost editors.

  78. Here’s the diversified/vibrant reworking of “Perry Mason”:

    • LOL: ACommenter
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  79. Jason Liu says:

    But doesn’t this just show that the values espoused in Rockwell’s paintings were ultimately wrong, seeing how they were taken advantage of to create the society you have today?

    It always stuns me how white conservatives fail to realize that their nice sounding civic virtues are what allows leftism to fester in the first place.

    What if leftists were NOT free to speak?

    What if leftists were NOT free from fear (of nationalist persecution)?

    What if leftists were NOT free from want, thereby occupying their time with desperate work instead of activism?

    What if minorities religions were NOT free to worship their own conscience?

  80. @Corvinus

    ““Freedom of speech”–having the patience, intelligence, consideration and decency to sit still and listen to and consider your opponents arguments is about the whitest, most Anglo-Saxon, thing ever.”

    Yep, and ONLY those Anglo-Saxons who founded our nation are capable of handling such a weighty matter. Do YOU, AnotherDad, directly trace both sides to the 1600′s? No? Then you must go back.

    Consider the immortal words of Alt Right leader Vox Day –> “So I’m going to make some of you extremely uncomfortable here, because what I’m going to tell you – and this is not going to be comfortable for those of you who are US citizens – a lot of you are not Americans and you never were. Your parents aren’t, you’re grandparents aren’t, because Americans are defined very, very clearly and the United States Constitution was written for a very specific group of people and that doesn’t include immigrants, it doesn’t include refugees, it doesn’t include the great grand children of former immigrants, it doesn’t include anybody except for the sons and daughters of the American Revolution…The Italians and the Irish were the original problem. They could have, and should have, been handled like the Chinese were. But they laid the groundwork for the Jews, the Germans, and the Scandinavians, who made things even worse. And they paved the way for the Mexicans, the Africans, and the Muslims. At this point, the USA probably can’t get back to 1986, let alone 1965.”

    I think you’re misrepresenting their point. More than wanting the people who are already here to ”go back”, what I understood from many of the commenters here is that they want people to stop coming. It’d be hard to deport the illegal immigrants who are in the United States already, but it’s more viable to prevent massive numbers of new arrivals.

    Dozens of millions of people (it’s a conservative estimate) currently outside the United States want to live in the US. A more liberal, laid-back estimate has this number at around 140 million people. Sailer just had a post about this. (I won’t go into whether they desire citizenship or not, that’s more complex and Sailer already covered that before too)

    Do most people already inside the US want them to move there? Or at least are okay with that? They might. They might not. If they’re cool with that, then you could consider sending ‘em in (probably not all at once though). But what if Americans do not actually want more people in their country? Should we hear them out? (I guess you’d simply answer ”no”, and that’s considering you cared, but I’ll ask those questions either way. Can’t silence me!! and stuff)

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Trevor H.
  81. @Corvinus

    Vox Day again with this guy.

    • Agree: duncsbaby
  82. Is that Rosario Dawson? She looks hot. I’m OK with this.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  83. Svigor says:

    The actress and activist Rosario Dawson posed for a reimagining of Norman Rockwell’s “Freedom of Speech.” The work was created in 2018 by the artists Hank Willis Thomas and Emily Shur.CreditCreditFor Freedoms

    Meaning, they couldn’t find a shitlib who paints anywhere near as well as Rockwell did?

    Nah, they could probably find somebody willing to vomit up what they wanted well enough for reproduction (most of the genius of painting is lost at the resolutions common in “print”); they probably just don’t give enough of a shit about their project to pay someone to paint it.

    • Replies: @CAL2
  84. Svigor says:
    @Arclight

    You’re in the ballpark; all this wealth and luxury leads to ennui and restlessness, yes, but there’s nothing about that leading naturally to “cultural suicide;” that part is the (((pied piper’s))) job.

  85. @Lot

    They’re about as dark as the Mojave at high noon.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Lot
  86. Svigor says:

    Corvinus says:SHOW COMMENT
    November 11, 2018 at 3:04 pm GMT • 600 Words
    Corvinus says:SHOW COMMENT
    November 11, 2018 at 3:14 pm GMT • 400 Words

    Silence can almost be as sweet as good music.

  87. donut says:

    I may be late again like my Japan Times article (thanks @Chrisnonymous) . But since he’s in the news some of you may be interested .

  88. Svigor says:

    Basic composition and design; leave only one white male in the composition – the one straining the most to look up at his alien female overlord (in the Rockwell original, the central figure in the composition is presumably just Joe Citizen, and the guy looking back at him is presumably his neighbor and peer; in the bastard version, the central figure is a powerful elected official, totally changing the tenor of the piece).

    • Replies: @Lowe
  89. J J Abrams’ latest film “Overlord,” which opened just in time for Veteran’s Day, features a Black paratrooper and jumpmaster in starring roles leading (along with the requisite alpha female) beta White G.I.s in a fight against Nazi zombies.

    Director Abrams acknowledges that the services were segregated in WW2 but there are no such things as zombies either. Enjoy!

    Not unlike the Jewish G.I. fantasy in Inglorious Basterds.

    Monument topping indeed.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  90. Svigor says:
    @TGGP

    That’s the diverse ideal, as presented; the white man is always either a homo, a tranny, an ultracuck, a pervert, or somehow obviously a shitlib or a dirtbag.

  91. Svigor says:

    It’s like they want people to find their grand vision repellent:

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    , @Lot
  92. Art Deco says:
    @AnotherDad

    Heck, minorities–blacks particularly–can’t even do freedom of speech in the context of United States where it’s enshrined in ths US Constitution. It’s racist! Facts, logic, arguments, i don’t like–racist!

    You have functioning parliamentary institutions all over the West Indies, and have had them for more than 50 years. N.B. the voting black population in the United States ca. 1955 was much less uniform than it is today. (I believe the small number of black elected officials in that era tended to be machine wheel-horses). What’s curious is that American blacks are notably more affluent and more extensively educated than their Caribbean counterparts (or than were American blacks 60 years ago), but that’s not reflected in the quality of the political culture at all.

    Here’s a tidbit from an article in The Hill ten years ago, about visiting legislators drawn from Colombia’s black population: “since unlike the CBC, which is completely Democratic, Afro-Colombian legislators hold political views running all along the spectrum from left to right. For example, four of the caucus members are allies of Colombian President Alvaro Uribe and support the trade deal with the U.S., while four are opposed. Another prominent Afro-Colombian senator who opposes the trade deal has yet to join the caucus. ”

    It shouldn’t be the way it is in this country.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
  93. Jack D says:
    @Corvinus

    I think Vox got the order mixed up – the Germans came around the same time as the Irish and before the Italians. The Italians showed up in large numbers right around the same time as the Jews.

    • Replies: @Flip
  94. This is the kind of bric a brac you’ll see sold in a plastic frame at the dollar store, purchased and hung on the wall of a welfare queen’s section 8 living room, but which will ultimately be dosed over by a white bluecollar guy at the landfill, after welfare queen’s latest baby daddy smashes it during the inevitable domestic squabble.

  95. Svigor says:
    @Desiderius

    fans of the site include pop psychologist Jordan Peterson, evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, psychology professors Steven Pinker of Harvard and Jonathan Haidt of New York University, and columnists like David Brooks, Meghan Daum and Andrew Sullivan.

    You know you’re edgy when David Brooks approves.

    • LOL: Kylie
  96. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:

    The whole updated re-imagining of Norman Rockwell’s masterpieces is well worth a look and a ponder:
    Woke Version of Rockwell’s Four Freedoms Series

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Reg Cæsar
  97. t says:

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Svigor
  98. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Take that Becky!

    • Replies: @Roscoe F.
  99. Tyrion 2 says:

    Can we have more Rosario Dawson and less Michelle Goldberg? Some of us have eyes.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  100. J.Ross says: • Website

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6375531/Sarah-Silverman-compares-Trumps-America-Holocaust-Real-Time-Bill-Maher.html

    After Maher congratulated Silverman for getting her start [sic?], she took the opportunity to compare the current Donald Trump administration to the Holocaust.

    ‘In a time, Bill, where anti-Semitic crime is up 57% since this douchebag has taken office, it is not lost on me that I am very lucky that I get a star and I don’t have to sew it on my clothes,’ Silverman said, which brought a rather mixed response from the crowd.

    The 57% number she quotes is a quantification of unverifiable fantasies and exposed hoaxes. Obama brought open Muslim Brotherhood members into the government and made their rules policy, hence the stumbling over what to call Islamic State.

  101. I used to run across a LOT of German-Irish or Italian-Jewish mixes. Italians would occasionally mix with PR. Never with blacks.

    The Irish and Italians were at least both Catholic.

    Germans and Irish did not mix with Jews.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Flip
  102. Anon[356] • Disclaimer says:

    Dindus, make way for the Dondes.

  103. anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    It can be harder than people think to tell apart Jews and Italians from the NYC area; it’s not all Sopranos characters vs. Woody Allen.

    In the middle of that spectrum, if they’re from the same socioeconomic background, they tend to have a lot of similar physical and personality traits.

    In fact, I would argue that the proverbial “New Yorker” as a stereotype is pretty much a blend of stereotypical Jewish or Italian New Yorker traits (sometimes both): Abrasive/tough/neurotic/critical/boisterously friendly/verbally expressive/defensive/arrogant/sarcastic/preening/martyrs

    John Turturro can play Jews just fine and Jamie-Lynn Sigler could play Meadow Soprano just fine. In fact, one time Woody Allen didn’t even know the actor he cast as his young stand-in (Jason Biggs) was Italian and not Jewish (Biggs also played Eugene Levy’s son in American Pie).

    • Replies: @Flip
  104. Compare the apparent ideology of these woke collages to that of Rockwell’s “Golden Rule” from 1961, which hangs in the NYC headquarters of the United Nations.

    https://www.wikiart.org/en/norman-rockwell/the-golden-rule

    Thoughts?

    • Replies: @ACommenter
  105. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158

    At present trends, we are likely to lose all of our countries worldwide by the end of the century.

    Trends change, but still. All of them. Nowhere to run.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  106. @Art Deco

    You have functioning parliamentary institutions all over the West Indies, and have had them for more than 50 years.

    Free speech =/ parliaments.

    What’s curious is that American blacks are notably more affluent and more extensively educated than their Caribbean counterparts (or than were American blacks 60 years ago), but that’s not reflected in the quality of the political culture at all.

    The quality of the education in the US has declined to total garbage and the affluence is artificial- wealth is practically zero.

  107. @Lot

    Interesting, thanks. I like the high moon, Desiderius! – Especially in the woods, or on the mountains – or in the desert: “I dream paprika plains
    Vast and bleak and God forsaken
    Paprika plains
    And a turquoise river snaking
    ” (J. Mitchell on Don Juan’s Reckles Daughter).

    And here is a Swiss subject awating future improvement – the politically informed peasant:

    https://www.google.de/search?q=albert+anker+zeitungsleser&rlz=1C1GCEA_enDE754DE754&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=MNWMNy_6xGRWfM%253A%252CNovUwVNCub8JtM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kTC2zQTQM20cBcCTGehb1gr21begA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjhnvzpj83eAhUR-aQKHYUsDPcQ9QEwAXoECAQQBg#imgrc=MNWMNy_6xGRWfM:

  108. @International Jew

    Amusing, but I have trouble envisioning a future America of “Deliverance” style judges yeehawing their way through a kangaroo court filled with mulatto officers of the court shouting homosexual slurs at defendants.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  109. @Corvinus

    The problem with the Irish and the (later, as Jack D correctly points out) Italians was that they were Catholic. Except for the very aristocratic Catholic Charles Carroll (of Carrollton don’t forget, i.e. a landed gentleman), the Founding Fathers were either Calvinists, Quakers, or Deists (which usually included the Episcopalians), all sects not known for their relaxed views about the Church of Rome.

    Their grandchildren were entirely correct to fear mass immigration; what is surprising, and lamentable, is that they did nothing very effective to stop it.

    But the Jews in their millions were infinitely more threatening than the easy-going if fractious refuse of impoverished European states, because in every way weightier: focused and determined, bitter and brilliant. Henry Adams noted all of this before most anybody else, and he despaired.

    He was right to do so: his America (and who better than an Adams to call it “his”?) was already doomed by the time he died in 1918; one hundred years later, it is sadly laughable to imagine that it might ever come back.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  110. Lurker says:
    @AnotherDad

    there is going to be yelling and hollering, then the fur–and fists and chairs–will start flying.

    And weaves, don’t forget the weaves.

  111. Tony says:
    @TGGP

    Looks like an arab to me.

  112. Thresher says:
    @Corvinus

    I would be able to take Vox’s definition of America and his theory of strict genetic nationalism seriously if he wasn’t a mestizo squatting in Italy.

    His hypocrisy belies the fact that he doesn’t actually believe what he claims to believe. If he did, he’d be living in Mexico or on a reservation in the American Southwest.

    • Replies: @Benjamin
    , @Corvinus
  113. Mr. Anon says:

    Nary a white man to be seen. Unless you count Mr. Neck-Tattoo (I don’t).

  114. Lurker says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Does Rosario Dawson support free speech or is she a “your speech has consequences” kind of girl?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario_Dawson

    an American actress, producer, singer, comic book writer, and political activist

    So I’m guessing she’s a “your speech has consequences” kind of girl

  115. anon[759] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    KDVR DENVER – 17-year-old Channing Cowan was at the mall with three classmates from his psychology class at Centaurus High School in Lafayette, asking strangers to borrow cell phones. They wanted to see how people would react and whether skin color would impact their response.

    https://kdvr.com/2018/11/09/class-assignment-at-mall-takes-a-dangerous-turn-during-racist-incident/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Mr. Anon
  116. Mr. Anon says:

    This is what “free speech” in modern, diverse America actually looks like:

  117. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Excellent, the progressive stack forces them to redo everything several times, and the last “speech” iteration is a guy in a hoodie who looks like he’s demanding somebody else’s keys.
    There is a lot of very dated slogan-dropping (including the assassination joke “time’s up”), but all from one side: no political diversity.

  118. Dtbb says:
    @Svigor

    What is it serving? An elephant turd?

    • LOL: Svigor
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  119. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anon

    This is true: I lent my cell phone to a black person (bad situation, long story), and he didn’t clarify to his correspondent that it wasn’t his phone, so I was subsequently bombarded with questions about bicycles for days afterward. Never again.
    And I was lucky to just get off with that. Stop and ask yourself why they’re the only black person without a phone. Or watch Knock Knock. If it’s an emergency (it isn’t) offer to make a call for them and watch their sudden lack of interest.

  120. Mr. Anon says:
    @anon

    KDVR DENVER – 17-year-old Channing Cowan was at the mall with three classmates from his psychology class at Centaurus High School in Lafayette, asking strangers to borrow cell phones. They wanted to see how people would react and whether skin color would impact their response.

    Why does a High School have a psychology class? Who would want their teenage kids to be taught that? Who would want their teenage kids to be taught that by some Ed School grad?

  121. @imaginedragoons

    I’ve always thought that Inglorious Basterds is actually a subtle parody of Jewish paranoia and obsession around WW2/Hitler/Nazis. The climax, where the Jewish soldiers gun down all the Nazis in the theatre, mirrors the previous scenes where the Nazis are watching (and applauding) a film about a German gunning down the Allies. They’re presented as grotesque and barbaric for doing that—and then the film puts the Jews (and the implied Jews watching the film in the real-life audience) in the same position.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  122. Jeek says:
    @AnotherDad

    But “freedom of speech”? “Freedom of speech”–having the patience, intelligence, consideration and decency to sit still and listen to and consider your opponents arguments is about the whitest, most Anglo-Saxon, thing ever.

    The bitter colective contempt of freedom of speech, and disregard for common law is the reason these people came here to economically exploit the United States, while keeping their primitive cultures intact,to the detriment of their host.

    The cheap cynical trick the hack photographer has recreated is akin to photographing a sickly thoroughbred horse with a massive pile of botflies nesting on its haunches. I implicitly understand parasites are sad and depressing, sucking the life force out of potential greatness. So what’s the point?

  123. J.Ross says: • Website

    Cultural appropriation collides with ersatz zeitgeist. This is actually a really good article with Zionist framing (he calls Glenn Greenwald “pro-terrorist”), he’s essentially complaining about something that is largely only acknowledged here.

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271871/black-nazis-terrorize-jews-new-york-daniel-greenfield

    And in the aftermath of the Pittsburgh mass shooting, all the anti-Semitic incidents in New York City appeared to be perpetrated by black men.

  124. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    “Inglourious Basterds” is pretty Germanophile.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  125. Everything has changed since the time of Rockwell, even the meaning of the words “hoeing” and “fishing”. In any case this song could never have been recorded today due to issues of cultural misappropriation.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  126. @Arclight

    you are touching on what is an emerging consensus amongst bad-thinkers: modernity = entropy. When you substantially relax the key stresses in life, things start to break down, slow (1960s), then fast (WWT). This was famously shown in Calhoun’s rat trials, and clearly something like that is at work today for us two-legged lab rats.

    Elites always seek to maximally exploit their human livestock (us), but in a context of long term abundance, that exploitation turns especially insidious, because “we” will let them get away with so much. The countries who are best resisting are relatively poor, at least compared with controls (again us): Hungary, Russia, even Italy to a lesser extent.

    It’s not all just abundance of course. Media-megaphone control is huge too. Anatoli Karlin recently compared attitudes toward homosexuals for Estonians and Russians who live in Estonia, was night and day. The difference being that Estonians are more English-speaking and consume POZed Estonian media, whereas the Russian population consume Kremlin-moderated Russian language media.

    I say “us” but really it’s our neighbors in America. People who read this blog are in some way exceptional and/or defective, to have broken free of the conditioning or never had it work in the first place.

  127. CAL2 says:
    @Svigor

    Considering the “artist” who did Obama’s portrait, no they don’t.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  128. Flip says:
    @jim jones

    WWI was the stupidest thing in the history of white people…

  129. @Corvinus

    Of course, AnotherDad, the truth of the matter is that the Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities…

    …if they want them. You assume too much.

    …who have the philosophical pedigree to adopt them as they immerse themselves in our society.

    They have their own philosophical pedigrees. Immersing your cat in the pond won’t make him a fish.

    You are perfectly entitled to your own self-importance, but you displaying the imperial hubris that demands a sense of its own universalism.

    He has his parochial prejudices, alright. But he’s not imposing them upon other populations. You are imposing yours.

    “Universal values” is just the white progressive’s name for his own imperialism.

  130. Svigor says:
    @bomag

    It’s a good idea to ape the tastes of your paymasters.

  131. Flip says:
    @Jack D

    Midwestern Germans were then but Pennsylvania Germans were earlier.

  132. Flip says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Catholic Germans with Irish and Protestant Germans with British and Scandinavians.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  133. @Anonymous

    “Four Freedoms” was itself dishonest New Deal propaganda. Why it touched Rockwell so deeply is an interesting question.

    Two of those freedoms are political concepts, the other two, just being rid of some annoyance. If I had my Elements of Eloquence handy, I could tell you the proper Greek-derived name for that ruse.

  134. Flip says:
    @anonymous

    Supposedly Jews are descended from Italians mixed with Middle Easterners.

  135. @CAL2

    Considering the “artist” who did Obama’s portrait, no they don’t.

    If you’re talking about the Fairey thing, that was a logo, not a portrait.

    I was surprised to find that Fairey is a straight native of South Carolina, married with children. What kind of people live in Los Feliz?

    • Replies: @Lot
  136. BenKenobi says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Canada’s big cities can’t handle a family sedan making a left turn.

    After a year of a non-functional supply chain most diversity will have de-camped for greener pastures.

    Fair winds brought them here, fair winds will take them away. Legally and with state power.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  137. JimB says:

    Norman Rockwell redux for Mad Magazine. Except these are iPhone photos, not even the result of a half-skilled commercial artist. This project will get some art major a B on his final project at SUNY-Purchase.

  138. OK, with me, she’s hot! Oops, did I just commit a thought crime?

  139. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    No, it’s in the new style of unapologetic materialism, which has replaced meta issues and being a good person in propaganda. It is simpler, and this allows it to hide in fake complexity. The white dupe agonizes over the fake nuance and the woke audience member laughs at the fact that you jus’ got knocked the f out. Look at the oral rape scene in Hateful Eight (not literally though): this is a cinematic iteration of the joke about the bartender letting a customer urinate all over his bar from Desperado. The people who don’t want to seem simple debate about whether it “happened” or not (in the film, the only source for the event is very biased and can give no evidence), but that’s not what this kind of film is about. The thing on the screen is the thing on the screen.
    Do not over-arm your reasoning when evaluating Quentin the Foot Guy.

  140. @Jonathan Mason

    That was written by the Kenny brothers of Astoria, Queens, N.Y.

    I wouldn’t go fishing in the East River. You might appropriate some Sicilian culture.

  141. I agree. Soviet General Secretaries are woefully absent from classic Americana art. The artist is so brave to give Brezhnev the representation he deserves in this piece! The next step in Progress will be to elevate him from the background to the subject of a painting!

  142. @Alfa158

    ASIANS ON SOUTH ISLAND STOP ISSUE IN DOUBT

  143. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Of course, AnotherDad, the truth of the matter is that the Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities, who have the philosophical pedigree to adopt them as they immerse themselves in our society.

    Immigrants today mostly do not accept those principals, nor do they immerse themselves in the society created by the founding stock. They insist on bringing their own principals, and imposing their own societies on to ours.

    You are perfectly entitled to your own self-importance, but you displaying the imperial hubris that demands a sense of its own universalism.

    No it is the antithesis of universalism. Is the likes of you who push universalism.

    The Enlightenment was a liberating tsunami that washed away the notion of Europe’s own cosmopolitan worldliness and enabled individuals from “far away places” like Mexico and Nigeria take the ideas of Locke and Voltaire and apply them to their lives.

    “Liberating Tsunami” That’s an interesting rhetorical device. You liberals just can’t get enough of destruction, can you. The only thing tsunamis liberate people from are their lives.

    In any event, are Mexico and Nigeria today places where enlightenment principals flourish? Are they places of which Locke and Voltaire would be proud?

    Idiot.

    • Replies: @Moses
    , @Corvinus
  144. @Neoconned

    The people who founded this nation were over 80% British Protestant. You have to go back.

  145. @Corvinus

    Again, who on this very fine blog are able to claim on BOTH sides their direct lineage to the English, thus boldly pronouncing to the world their title of nobility?

    I can and have. Just because your ancestors were squatting in some Eastern European ghetto does not mean you have any right to this nation founded by my ancestors.

    it doesn’t include anybody except for the sons and daughters of the American Revolution

    Correct. “Ourselves and our posterity” does not include Irish papists, German Communists, and the rest of the scum that came through Ellis Island.

    “the truth of the matter is that the Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities, who have the philosophical pedigree to adopt them as they immerse themselves in our society.”
    You are more likely to find hen’s teeth or pigs flying.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  146. @Dtbb

    “and for this site and its commenters to respectfully listen and suffer you”

    No respect here, I call him out for the bad-faith troll he is. Would that all would do the same!

  147. Cossack says:
    @Tiny Duck

    And then proceed to turn the country into a third world s**thole. That’s what generally happens when you replace whites with non-whites (East Asians being the possible exception). I know that the truth hurts, but oh well!

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  148. @Tyrion 2

    And some of you need glasses. Bug eyes and fish lips a beauty do not make.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  149. @Roderick Spode

    Hollywood seems to be what they call a “population sink” for pretty women. Ms Dawson has no biological children.

  150. Lot says:
    @Desiderius

    Dark enough to be fired from Google and denied tenure in 90% of American universities.

    But they don’t deny the Holocaust, oh noes!

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Desiderius
  151. Rosie says:
    @Jason Liu

    But doesn’t this just show that the values espoused in Rockwell’s paintings were ultimately wrong, seeing how they were taken advantage of to create the society you have today?

    The fact that they were taken advantage of doesn’t mean they were wrong. It means we were wrong to allow them to be taken advantage of.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  152. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    And what’s more, it’s really not free speech that landed us here, but rather partly free speech. That is, free speech for some, but not others.

  153. Benjamin says:
    @Thresher

    I would be able to take Vox’s definition of America and his theory of strict genetic nationalism seriously if he wasn’t a mestizo squatting in Italy.

    ^—-This.

    As far as his ~+3SD IQ is concerned, it’s an important and popular fact that Douchebags have no known upper limit on IQ.

    • Replies: @CAL2
  154. I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this but it’s ironic that the kind of people who believe most firmly in Norman Rockwell’s world-view aren’t the Trumpers but rather the never-Trumpers. Yet again, “liberal” America is too self-absorbed to realise they’re wounding their only real friends in the world. They aim at Trump and hit Mitt Romney and Jeff Flake types.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  155. “Hi Rosario? It’s your agent, Neal.

    Listen, turns out your Q score with white racist men is through the roof! We’ve had a few offers. Call me when you get this.”

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  156. @advancedatheist

    There’s actually a big ol’ controversy in yoga circles about just that.

  157. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “marked by flawed premises and fallacy embracement coupled with a dichotomous way of thinking.”

    OK, hotshot, break it down for us. Are you able to muster up the intellectual firepower necessary to lend support to your statement, or are you going to run away yet again?

  158. snorlax says:
    @Lot

    You’re confusing him (Desiderius) with someone else.

    • Replies: @Lot
  159. Corvinus says:
    @adreadline

    “what I understood from many of the commenters here is that they want people to stop coming.”

    Indeed, using the same arguments nativists employed. Yet, their ancestors offered counterpoints that “proved” they ought to stay. Hypocritical, to the say the least.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @bomag
    , @adreadline
  160. Corvinus says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    “Vox Day again with this guy.”

    Prominent leader of the Alt Right who says YOU, a white European, are NOT an American.

    • Replies: @Thea
  161. MEH 0910 says:
    @ACommenter

    The Norman Rockwell Museum would love this, it’s ran by Ken Burns type rural white liberals.

  162. In this picture, Rosario looks like a fairly obvious stand-in for Occasional-Cortex, the new Congressgirl from North Puerto Rico.

  163. @jim jones

    The dignity and power of a small poppy.
    Enjoy your Remembrance Day.

    • Replies: @Kylie
  164. @The Z Blog

    The “intellectual dark web” is the Monkeys of post-white America. It’s intended to be a totally safe alternative to the real thing.

    Except that the Monkees, manufactured though they were, were actually good.

    • Agree: Lot
  165. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @BenKenobi

    That was Covington’s premise. He figured that the vast majority of the people he wanted gone from his putative Northwest American Republic would voluntarily leave once it became 1) infeasible for them to make a living and 2) the State could no longer guarantee their safety, even as compared ot the lawless environs they came from. In his instance, undesiros still had not only their native lands but the rest of the United States (which the locals now openly called La Cesspool Grande) to decamp to.

  166. OT: Most ironic headline that I’ve seen in awhile:

    In Paris, Trump walks alone as French president rips nationalism

    The president of France – the name France comes from Latin Francia (“land of the Franks”) – rips nationalism. The president of a nation rips nationalism. Who exactly does the president of France represent, if not his nation?

    Satire is dead.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  167. nebulafox says:
    @Corvinus

    Damn, Corvy, again with Vox Day? Might as well go huff some paint to get your kicks. I’d suggest vodka or a nice cognac, but that’d probably go against the rules of your Christian Temperance meetings or something like that. Don’t want to go angering the Logos, you know.

    > the truth of the matter is that the Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities, who have the philosophical pedigree to adopt them as they immerse themselves in our society. You are perfectly entitled to your own self-importance, but you displaying the imperial hubris… silly little screed

    There’s a saying out there by another man of the Enlightenment:

    “Theory is grey, bur reality is green.”

    I think our Founders would have understood that as they wrote the document. Do you?

    Nuance and complexity are very powerful things, Tonto. Think about it. Read up on it. Learn it. Absorb it. It might change your life. Might.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Corvinus
  168. Lot says:
    @snorlax

    The intended reference was to Unz.com generally, not Des. Sorry it wasn’t clear.

  169. Lot says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    IQ, so very very high
    Fiction, denied a Nobel Prize by the Jews
    Body, makes the ladies swoon and cry

  170. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    odd how many black and brown cant wait to sneak into a “white supremacist” country

  171. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    Wilted uncut raw celery in a tiny crystal bowl, just like like my Grama used to make.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @black sea
  172. @advancedatheist

    It encourages atheism so it gets a pass.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  173. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    no country has the right to borders and no country has the right to say “no” to would-be immigrants

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  174. Anon[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @t

    I would absolutely be willing to let a refugee stay in my guest bedroom.

    I think that Timothy Lee is a stealth conservative, so I see this as a sort of fake virtue signaling used as smoke cover to distract from the fact that he isn’t tweeting about other things that a “good person” should be tweeting about. Lee was an early Vox writer, but now he’s back at Ars Technica, which has much more viewpoint diversity.

    It was this tweet that first got me going down the path that led me here to Steve Sailer:

    It was a somewhat disapproving link to the notorious first Turkheimer/Harden/Nisbett piece about Charles Murray’s appearance on Sam Harris’s podcast. Links to the piece were all over Twitter, with “Nazi is owned!” type comments. But Lee’s tweet made me think the piece wasn’t what it was being represented to be, so I read the piece, beginning to end, discovering that it bizarrely agreed with everything that Charles Murray held, but for a couple of minor details, despite being written into the guise of a take down.

    These three expert progressive psychologists publishing in a progressive publication seemed to concede that IQ is real, can be accurately tested for, affects life outcomes, that ace is real, that blacks “obtain” lower IQ scores … but that the difference is “only” 2/3 of an SD and “there’s no good evidence yet” that it’s not environmental.

    Reading that, I figured that the contrary conventional wisdom seemed to have changed, so I continued to read other sources. I found that among the humanities and social science deplatforming crowd, Stephen Jay Gould still ruled, but among scientific psychologists the feeling was different, although most don’t want to get involved.

    So I have Timothy Lee to thank for my enlightenment, for better or worse.

  175. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    Reaching rock bottom. Stall warnings being ignored by pilots who are interested in whether the sandwich contains chicken or vegs.

    What are you talking about?

  176. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    I subscribed to a new Good News weekly newsletter after it got a lot of hype on Twitter.

    It turns out to be 50 percent stories about Africa, rich people doing things to improve conditions in Africa, things getting a little better in Africa. This is the definition of good news these days. Can we find something positive happening in Africa?

    Basically, the good news is that there are going to be a ton more people in Africa because infant mortality is dropping, Bill Gates is inventing toilets that will cut down on disease and keep more Africans alive, and so on.

    By the way, the toilets that have won the Bill and Melinda Gates Crapshack Innovation Awards (sort of the fecal MacArthur Prize) tend to be so complicated and delicate and depend on so much modern technology that they would cost a fortune and last about three months in the typical African shithole (no pun intended) community, after which (or before which) they would be torn apart and pillaged for stuff to sell on the black market (solar panels) or just used to build a shantytown dwelling.

    • Replies: @bomag
  177. Anonym says:
    @Altai

    Looks like war simulation (sports) is now the province of non-whites under white generalship. Maybe instead of war simulation the opportunity is now in war itself for whites. Consider that the circuses of rugby/soccer really got going in the 1800s and not earlier. Maybe the good times creating weak people already got started there. We should not be overly invested in sport IMO.

    Obviously we want to avoid world wars, but responding to the low-level war now waged against our people would forestall the South African situation.

  178. CAL2 says:
    @Benjamin

    Vox Day is a strange dichotomy. He seems fairly smart, has some great insights, and has accomplished a lot. He also usually reads other people very well.

    On the other side, he makes statements that are blindly stupid. His understanding of the Bible is abysmal at times. The statement about who is an American, while making sense from who the Constitution was written for, is historically illiterate. (I have a German ancestor who fought in the Continental army.) It’s stupidly narrow and practically impossible. Finally, he falls for about any conspiracy theory like Q.

    I also am always suspicious of anyone who has to constantly tout how smart they are.

  179. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:

    “Why doesn’t the popularity among white people of Eastern practices like yoga, meditation and tai chi count as cultural appropriation?”

    Because the people running the news departments do those kinds of things. It’s only wrong when Orange Man people do it.

    P.S. This whole re-imagining thing happens when one country conquers another or when a revolution dethrones the previous order – the cultural symbols are defaced or destroyed; it was common in the ancient world for conquerors to destroy the faces of native statues and symbols.

    Here’s an example of what happens when a revolution overthrows the previous order:

    “…the Cultural Revolution Group directed the Red Guards to attack the ‘Four Olds’ of Chinese society (old customs, old culture, old habits and old ideas). For the rest of the year, Red Guards marched across China in a campaign to eradicate the ‘Four Olds’. Old books and art were destroyed, museums were ransacked, and streets were renamed with new revolutionary names and adorned with pictures and the sayings of Mao. Many famous temples, shrines, and other heritage sites in Beijing were attacked.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards

  180. @Lot

    I was referring to Quilette being pretty much the opposite of the actual dark web. Not sure what your comment means.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  181. @Tiny Duck

    Duck,

    You know what they say, “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” Replacing white people would be like replacing Michael Angelo or Beethoven. Often copied, never equaled.

  182. @nebulafox

    It’s just a dull man’s Krugman’s fantasizing about D’souza’s stature.

  183. @Desiderius

    If you’re saying Claire would be fired by Google/denied tenure 90%, sure, but that doesn’t make her dark, it makes Google/90% of universities utterly corrupt.

    But we knew that. C.f. Lord Acton.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  184. Thea says:
    @Corvinus

    Please don’t let him hear you say that you think he is a leader.

  185. Kylie says:
    @Another Canadian

    I can’t presume to speak for jim jones but I took his asking why so many white people were gathered in London today to be a pointed rhetorical question.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  186. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    If you’re saying Claire would be fired by Google/denied tenure 90%, sure, but that doesn’t make her dark, it makes Google/90% of universities utterly corrupt.

    Oh please. She wouldn’t be fired from Google and she’d have no problem receiving tenure at an American university.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  187. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie

    What is rhetorical about it? What was his point?

    • Replies: @Kylie
  188. @Tiny Duck

    “Rockwell represents a dark past of white supremacy.”

    You’re confusing Norman Rockwell with George Lincoln Rockwell.

    “Lunch up not then”

    Not even going to venture a guess. That Inscrutable Duck…

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Anonymous
    , @black sea
  189. Svigor says:
    @t

    No, shitlib, he stays in your home forever.

  190. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    I was more concerned with the White baby that seems low-key being served on a plate.

    Well, that, and WTF they were thinking with the choice of black guy and black guy outfit.

  191. Svigor says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I never got the impression she was supposed to be a beauty. Saw her in Daredevil and figured they were going for diverse & plain.

    • Replies: @CAL2
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  192. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says:

    I just searched Google for “Stephen Jay Gould.” When you search for a person these days Google adds an infobox to the right of the search results on the desktop version, photo, basic bio, etc. There are also quotes. Here are the three quotes in Gould’s infobox:

    “Quotes:

    “The most erroneous stories are those we think we know best – and therefore never scrutinize or question.

    “Nothing is more dangerous than a dogmatic worldview – nothing more constraining, more blinding to innovation, more destructive of openness to novelty.

    “When people learn no tools of judgment and merely follow their hopes, the seeds of political manipulation are sown.”

    He wasn’t very self-aware.

  193. @MEH 0910

    They also, much to the chagrin of the Rockwell family endorsed the hit piece biography which trashed Rockwell, the (((author))) accused Rockwell of being a neo-facist-homosexual and child abuser… all based on (((theory)))

  194. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dtbb

    What is it serving? An elephant turd?

    Poz. They’re serving a loaf of concentrated Poz.

  195. CAL2 says:
    @Svigor

    Mission accomplished if that was the plan. She’s average looking. Not ugly but nothing to write home about.

  196. After the fall of the USSR, the various constituent ethnic groups were finally able to tap into parts of their past/ history / culture that were repressed under communism. IMHO, this was particularly true with the Russians who were potentially the most threatening group and as such, the one most heavily patrolled. As the dominant part of the empire including under the Czars, Russians had failed to walk down the path of the nation state like many other Europeans and instead had their identities yoked to the other minorities for 450 years. What you have seen the last 25 years is a renaissance or blossoming long awaited.

    Whites in the US will go through a similar transformation at some point when they begin reclaiming their / our / my culture from the other impostors. Part of this imitation is an admiration of European culture and some of it is resentment. But some the rip-off bastardization is just envy and hatred. Thou shall not covet. Some of these people hate whites but I suspect that deep down, they hate themselves 100 times more for what they are not and wish they could be.

  197. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @CAL2

    I also am always suspicious of anyone who has to constantly tout how smart they are.

    exactly, the smart ones usually have no problem demonstrating it instead of just claiming it

  198. Lowe says:
    @Jason Liu

    This is a good point, worth thinking over. I tend to see the main problem as too many tax dollars going to support leftists… but their freedom of speech is how they managed to talk themselves into those dollars.

  199. @Frank Glaser

    For the rabbi Rockwell used a model who was an irish american post office deliverer in stockbridge.

    Many of the others were exchange students at SWPL colleges around stockbridge.

    Actually the brilliance of Rockwell was making ‘boring’ middle amercia/everday stuff interesting- he saw the beauty and nobility and strength and joy in working class and everyday americans. People accuse him of ‘idealizing’ but look at the people he painted – they were not idealized.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  200. Lowe says:
    @Svigor

    Rosario Dawson is an elected official?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Svigor
  201. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast

    I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this but it’s ironic that the kind of people who believe most firmly in Norman Rockwell’s world-view aren’t the Trumpers but rather the never-Trumpers.

    I doubt John Podhoretz gives a rip about New England town meetings, past or present. Conceivably David French does.

  202. @Joe Magarac

    The only thing problematic about that particular cultural appropriation is the title “Freedom of Speech”. Isn’t that a racist sexist homophobe thing? And maybe “antisemitic” too, depending on the day of the week.

    The new version of the picture is double plus good, but it needs a new title.

    Suggestions?

    “Gib me dat, mother fucker!”

  203. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Back in the National Alliance days a police chief famously went off on a rant about “George Norman Rockwell”, that racist ringleader of note. (George Lincoln Rockwell had been dead for perhaps two decades by then.)

  204. @ACommenter

    Rockwell worked a lot like a movie director, especially from 1934 onward, holding auditions for models and having craftsmen construct sets.

    • Replies: @ACommenter
  205. @Anon

    At present trends, we are likely to lose all of our countries worldwide by the end of the century.

    At present trends, we will CERTAINLY lose the US, UK, and France by the MIDDLE of the century.

    • Replies: @anon
  206. @Svigor

    I first remember her as a hooker assassin dressed in bondage attire in the movie Sin City. That seemed like a pretty clear indicator that she was supposed to be a sex symbol. To each his own and all that, but Dawson is not attractive imo.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Lurker
  207. @jcd1974

    Plenty of folks from the West Indies too, at least in GTA

  208. @Corvinus

    > ONLY those Anglo-Saxons who founded our nation

    False premise: Only Anglo-Saxons founded the country. Everyonoe knows there were others included in the founders.

    > Do YOU, AnotherDad, directly trace both sides to the 1600′s?

    False premise: Sons and daughers of the American Revolution had to have ancestors in America in the 17th century. Obviously you don’t know the criteria for membership in the Sons of the American Revolution https://www.sar.org/ or the Daughters of the American Revolution https://www.dar.org/

    > Consider the immortal words of Alt Right leader Vox Day…

    False premise: Vox Day has standing to speak for any of us here. No one cares about his fallacy-riddled musings except you.

    > In other words, you are stuck in a now defunct world where one group is totally superior in knowledge and morality compared to other groups

    Logical fallacy: false dichotomy. Another Dad does not need to choose between the alternatives you have on offer.

    > The Enlightenment was a liberating tsunami that washed away the notion of Europe’s own cosmopolitan worldliness and enabled individuals from “far away places” like Mexico and Nigeria take the ideas of Locke and Voltaire and apply them to their lives.

    Logical fallacy: non sequitur. It does not follow that if ‘individuals from “far away places” like Mexico and Nigeria‘ take the ideas of Locke and Voltaire and apply them to their lives’ that we should import them without restriction into our country.

    First, some of them won’t embrace Western Civilization if they come here, because of the stupidity of Western Liberals like you. Multiculturalism (your desideratum) claims that their culture is a good, or probably better than ours. The fact that they want to come here shows that claim is false. But you insist that they bring their failures here and we must embrace them. Second, even if some do adopt the essential principles of the West, others will not. Third, there is no reason they cannot apply Western principles in their home country. They should stay there and improve their own countries.

    bomag was right, and you are a blackhearted black Numenorian.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  209. @Skyler_the_Weird

    It’s the Hamiltonization of Culture. They will Colorize and Feminize American History to make America’s Founding more diverse.

    It’s genocide.

    Erasing our past paves the way for erasing our future.

    • Replies: @Skyler_the_Weird
  210. @craig

    It does seem to be an autoimmune disorder of some kind.

    That’s exactly what it is.

  211. @MEH 0910

    That’s the ideal.

    The reality:
    Two fat black women brawling at the Waffle House.

  212. bomag says:
    @Joe Magarac

    needs a new title

    LOL

    “Freedom To Keep It Real”
    “Freedom To Get What Is Ours”
    “Freedom To Crush the Bad People”
    “Freedom To Have Things Our Way”
    “Freedom To Redistribute Wealth”
    “Freedom To Expand the Brand”

  213. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I get Rosario Dawson confused with Eva Mendes and Zoe Saldana.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  214. @Steve Sailer

    Yes but look at the people he painted – he was not a ‘pretty girl’ painter – in fact he couldn’t really paint idealized beauty – he had a tendency for caricature.

    People ‘accuse’ him of using a projector and tracing – but he only did this for time and money savings – his pre 34 stuff showed he could work without a projector and photographs- he studied under the great Frank Bridgeman at the Art Student’s League in NYC – and was known by his peers as ‘the draftsman’ and during breaks between poses he would still be working on this sketches.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  215. Thresher says:
    @CAL2

    On the other side, he makes statements that are blindly stupid. His understanding of the Bible is abysmal at times. The statement about who is an American, while making sense from who the Constitution was written for, is historically illiterate. (I have a German ancestor who fought in the Continental army.) It’s stupidly narrow and practically impossible. Finally, he falls for about any conspiracy theory like Q.

    You and I are similar. The Mosher family has been in America since 1634, arriving from Strasbourg via London. We helped settle Dartmouth, Massachusetts a decade later. We disappeared into the hills of what would become Vermont for 150 years, lost to history except for probate records, then re-emerged with the Green Mountain Boys and later the Continental Army at Valley Forge. I have a digital scan of the camp enrollment records for Daniel and Nathaniel Mosher, who were listed as “half-breeds” because their mother was a Mohawk woman who took the Christian name of Elizabeth. They gleefully murdered Hessians alongside their American brothers-in-arms at Trenton and Princeton.

    According to Vox, somehow, they still aren’t American because they weren’t from England.

    I detect a flaw in his theory.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  216. @advancedatheist

    A lot of ‘yoga’ are 19th/early 20th century strongman exercises (steve has gone into its roots) calling it yoga is just marketing.

  217. @jim jones

    All the stories have been told
    Of kings and days of old,
    But there’s no England now.
    All the wars that were won and lost,
    Somehow don’t seem to matter very much anymore.

    ***

    Now another century nearly gone,
    What are we gonna leave for the young?
    What we couldn’t do, what we wouldn’t do,
    It’s a crime, but does it matter?
    Does it matter much, does it matter much to you?
    Does it ever really matter?
    Yes, it really, really matters.

    Dave Davies — “Living on a Thin Line”

    • Replies: @bomag
  218. anon[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    At present trends, we will CERTAINLY lose the US, UK, and France by the MIDDLE of the century.

    Do you have relevant data to support this speculation?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  219. @ACommenter

    Right, Rockwell had established himself as a top artistic illustrator by maybe 1913, so his shift to a new mode in the 1930s where he concentrated on storytelling over aesthetics was rather surprising.

  220. Benjamin says:
    @CAL2

    According to the classifications of Ted Beale, the ramblings of a somewhat middling Midwit.

  221. @Anonymous

    Not if the right people in either case got wind of what she’s published at Quillette.

    Of course I may be mistaken. Care to enlighten us with an up-to-date report from the front lines?

  222. @Cagey Beast

    Vancouver and Toronto are becoming Asian, not all of Canada.

    So the invaders will take less than they can get. I find that unlikely.

  223. Thresher says:
    @CAL2

    I am beginning to suspect that his strange hatred and doom-speaking for America comes from a personal source. By his own admission, he hasn’t been back to the US in over a decade. Specifically, his father, who is currently serving a sentence in Federal prison for tax evasion and threatening a judge. The tax evasion charge was regarding a technology company that Vox had some substantial involvement in, so I am thinking that, perhaps, if Vox were to return to the United States that the IRS would want to have words with him.

    In short: Vox hates America because Uncle Sam put his daddy in prison.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Redneck farmer
    , @Ragno
  224. bomag says:
    @Anon

    Good News weekly

    I suppose on the Titanic they would have touted all the upcoming opportunities to partake of water sports.

  225. bomag says:
    @ben tillman

    And that was written circa 1982…

  226. @ZeroDay

    If they are minority accounts, there would be even more reluctance to questioning them because of intersectionality.

    Whites are 10% of the world’s population. You can’t use the term “minority” to refer to non-whites.

  227. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thresher

    In short: Vox hates America because Uncle Sam put his daddy in prison.

    i visit his blog almost every day over 2 years now and i never got this impression

    he does seem to hate the “Alt-Reich” and Andrew Torba though

    • Replies: @CAL2
  228. @SunBakedSuburb

    Vox Day again with this guy.

    > LOL. No kidding.

  229. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thresher

    IMO America is not England precisely because it is a mixture of White and mostly Western European peoples. The best of English, Scots, Scots-Irish and especially Germans were selected for and the worst selected against in the furnace of a young country with a frontier and an often harsh climate. But English is our language, albeit modified from Her Majesty’s (but not willfully butchered as the Afrikaners did in creating their kindertaal Afrikaans: it’s as worthless as Esperanto) and we have a system of government originally mostly derived from the best of English ideals.

    The Irish and the Italians were not a terrible influence although we didn’t get Enzo Ferrari and Emilio Pucci as much as we got some shemps: still, Italians have overall been a net plus. The Irish, possibly also but my impression of real Irish from Ireland here on holiday or recent immigrants is that they are better people on average than Irish American East Coasters and Chicago pols.

    Same with Eastern Europeans: {disclaimer: my father was a mix of Eastern European nationalities, NOT including Gypsies or ((you know who)) AFAIK and my mother largely Polish} I see where on average they have some flaws but on average not a net failure. Poles are often good engineers, not worth a shit at government or successful trial lawyers. (Polish ideas of success include Bobby Vinton and the Poberezny family of EAA fame.) Charged with a crime, you want a Jew lawyer so long as you know he really wants to get you sprung. Czechs make the best beer, even better than Germans. Why Croatians and Serbs are such hard-ons to each other, beats me, but they are.

    I could give two shits as to whether Roman Catholicism or Orthodoxy is the national religion in some polity or whether Ukrainians speak Ukrainian or Russian. I’m an American. I have no more desire to fight a war over these things than I do as to whether Palestinians or Jews control some patch of godforsaken desert I’ve never been to and am not going to.

    We have free speech in America and this Vox Day fellow can state his opinions. If you disagree, that’s fine. He has as much right to state he thinks only English are Americans as the nonagerian head cheese of the CofJCofLDS (he doesn’t want ‘em called Mormons any more….) has to say that he thinks Joseph Smith was a swell guy.

  230. @anon

    What I wrote is inconsistent with any notion of “speculation”.

    If you want the relevant data that the calculation is based on, get them yourself.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  231. @songbird

    He inadvertantly hit upon the truth in his painting “The Problem We All Live With,” painted around 1964. Is “the problem” the black girl or the reaction shown on the walls in the background?

  232. Kylie says:
    @Anonymous

    I inferred that he knew why so many white people were gathered in London today.

    As to his point, I already told you I can’t presume to speak for him.

  233. @Steve Sailer

    All three have hard facial features, which isn’t my bag.

    Now a young Rae Dawn Chong was an attractive mixed race actress, (she looks crazy now) who could have passed for young Elizabeth Shue’s half sister (also looks crazy now).

  234. Lurker says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    The cartoonised version of her in Sin City was passable. The reality – not quite so much.

    In fact, dare I say it, Michelle Goldberg does more for me in the looks department.

  235. I haven’t carefully examined all of the comments, so it is possible someone has already discussed this, but it does seem pertinent that the revision is in many ways artistically inferior to the original, and that some of this results from clear, if horribly misguided, decisions.

    In the original, only three faces are clearly visible. All of the other faces are partially obscured. This is not by accident, since the man about to speak is meant to be the focal point, and the other two visible men are clearly portrayed as intently focused on him. By contrast, in the new version, almost all of the faces are visible. This is clearly because part of the intent is to portray a wide “diversity” of people, and it is hard to portray a real person at all without a face. But showing all of these faces destroys the painting as a whole. The viewer is not engaged in the actual painting, but instead is confronted with the cognitive awareness that this is supposed to be a more “diverse” rendering of the original.

    Next, contrast the rendering of the faces of the speakers in the two versions. In the original, we can perceive a determination. The speaker is ready for a challenge. He knows he is going to get the opportunity to speak, but he also recognizes that he needs to get it together and rise to the occasion. He knows he needs to speak in a way that makes sense, but he thinks he can do it. By contrast, in the new version, the speaker in preparation seems simply to show emotion. It seems she is somewhat apprehensive, but also ready to let it flow, and let others know how she really feels. I see no sign of cognitive preparation.

    Finally, look at the central triangle in each case. In the original, the complex facial expression of the waiting speaker is the focus of the whole. The gazes of the two men on either side are clearly focused on his facial expression. The viewer focuses most on the face of the speaker, and darts sometimes to the faces of the two sidemen, and even less often to the background. The whole painting is ultimately focused on a man preparing to speak before a group in a way that matters.

    By contrast, in the new version, the central triangle is rendered ridiculous. It is still there, in a way, although, a viewer not contrasting it with the original might not even notice it. The woman on the left is in some sense focused on the standing women, but her focus seems to be emotional, and not really directed at the other woman per se. She seems somewhat angry, and seems to interpret the standing woman as a tool endorsing her anger, although perhaps also as someone who might empathize with her in other ways. By contrast, the beefy guy is staring directly at the standing woman’s nipple. While the other woman is sort of looking, in a hazy way, at the standing woman’s face, the guy is looking directly at well-defined breasts concealed by her silky top, but even more directly at her well-demarcated nipple.

    Look at it in maximum resolution. The sidewoman and the sideman are not thinking the same things at all. (Although maybe in another sense they are….)

    (What is up with the hand on the sidewoman’s shoulder? Whose hand is it? It is much too old to be the hand of the black silky shirt lady, but what is going on?)

  236. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Well, give it time. “Idiocracy” is set 500 years in the future.

    I hate to be a Mr. Literal and it would ruin the movie too, but in a country peopled by morons, the people wouldn’t look like Walmart shoppers in 2018. They’d be underfed and dressed in rags. Stupid people get to be fat only if there are lots of competent people still who make everything work.

  237. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Speaks

    The guy now shills for Sprint instead… I’m interested in the thinking of the ad agency for that one. If a spokesman’s function is still to confer credibility, what is served by suddenly ripping him/her/it out of context just to get the reaction of, “Ah yes, I remember that cell-service bozo from the late 90s; I guess he’s not dead”

  238. @Thresher

    Better than the Cuomos, who hate America because it didn’t make daddy President.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  239. duncsbaby says:
    @Penguinchip

    She was in Clerks 2, not Clerks. She was in Kids 23 years ago when she was 16. Tbh, I never noticed her until she was in MIB2. She is very beautiful, you are correct there.

  240. duncsbaby says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    It’s Vox Days all the way down w/Corvinus.

  241. Trevor H. says:
    @adreadline

    I think you’re misrepresenting their point.

    That’s what he’s here for.

  242. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    The guy now shills for Sprint instead

    He’s a homosexual too. They made a point of showing him with his “partner”. Everything must be gayed up.

  243. Moses says:

    The idea that “Whites are being replaced” in our country is so crazy and paranoid. A conspiracy theory, really.

    I mean, it’s totally natural to replace the icky pale White people (who founded and built America) featured in historic American art with brown vibrants (who, everyone knows, are the” Real Americans”).

    In time, no one will remember those bad Whites.

    Just slip into sweet unconsciousness, Whites. It will all be over soon.

  244. @Tiny Duck

    We will replace you

    We have more guns. Besides, Duck, with your <85IQ, who will keep the lights on for you? The water running? Medicine, food, transportation? Medicine, space, communications? All the things you live on, all by the hand of Whites.

    You're replacing no one. Besides, Duck, end of day, after you kill the soft liberals, the rest of us outgun you 5:1. Also, Hispanics and Asians despise Blacks. Guess you haven't noticed Blacks are just about shipped out of Los Angeles by Hispanics? Where you have 'replaced' us, big urban centers, you're killing yourselves.

    Prepare to get hungry, live in the dark, the cold and in the violent, racist world your people create everywhere they gather. You will live like post White South Africa. Look into it. You cannot even escape your own awful demo.

  245. Moses says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Meh. Corvinus is a Fellow White. That’s what they do.

  246. @Tiny Duck

    a dark past of white supremacy.

    Dark is white. Ignorance is strength. Ohh to be in Duckworld.

  247. @Cossack

    Although East Asians of any persuasion do have an inveterate habit of replacing (to put it politely) anyone not exactly like themselves in territories they come to occupy.
    In which case, crispy duck’s back on the menu, boys!

    • LOL: Liza
  248. @Altai

    assigned a former Fiji captain as the assistant couch

    Mmmm, big, plump and really comfy. Just made for the job, those blokes.

  249. jd0000 says:

    freedom to tow the party line

  250. Pericles says:
    @songbird

    I seem to recall that late in life, Rockwell had a kind of numinous Negro streak, or at least he did a few paintings with black children in them.

    Who can forget this one?

    Somewhat ironic these days, of course.

  251. Pericles says:
    @craig

    Seems more like parasites to me.

  252. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “May we drown the fields with the impure blood of our enemies” – French national anthem.

    Maricon is an idiot.

    “Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. By putting our own interests first, with no regard for others, we erase the very thing that a nation holds dearest, and the thing that keeps it alive: its moral values.”

    But where do the moral values come from if not from the people?

  253. Anonymous[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Here you go.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  254. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Yes the 90% white America of Rockwell’s day was a terrible place virtually devoid of such enrichment we have today like single moms, parasitic illegals, massive public debt, tent cities of homeless drug addicts, delusional black mob temper tantrums destroying cities, Muslims demanding tolerance one week and shooting up/blowing up a public locale the next, and purple haired lesbian feminist otherkin demanding everyone reorganize society to put them on top.

    Back in Rockwell’s day, people were so full of hate for their fellow man that in many places you could even venture out without locking the door to your home, or leave your car with the windows down or doors unlocked. The horror!

  255. CAL2 says:
    @anon

    Torba did not pull down some posts on Gab that were very offensive towards Vox and specifically his wife. Torba’s argument was he was running a service and not a monitored site. Vox’s argument was that some things just aren’t acceptable. Both have legitimate points. However, like anyone who Vox considers beneath him, it blew up into a big row and now Vox hates him with the heat of a thousand suns.

  256. @Jason Liu

    I agree completely, but good luck getting people to admit that.
    Just look at all the tub-thumping nonsense about ‘true anglo freedom’ they’d rather spout instead…
    Blind.

  257. @Jake

    How long before we get a black-latinx transgender lesbian nailed to a cross? Oh, wait … that can stay a white guy.

    • Replies: @Evocatus
  258. @Anonymous

    I was suggesting that once goodpeople got hold of the renowned mobile service, it ceased functioning.

  259. ZeroDay says:

    A few things to unpack…

    - Rockwell is probably the pinnacle of pop art, which must be triggering in the Jewish-dominated worlds of art and cultural criticism. Lining up Rockwell next to say, New Yorker covers, is like walking from a Rembrandt exhibit into an African art wing.

    - In a world of doxxing, tech censorship and harassment mobs, Rockwell’s “Freedom of Speech” is more relevant than ever. NYT still doesn’t get this.

    - Even with modern design software, NYT had to use photos to make their point, as opposed to doing their own Rockwellesque illustrations, which would have been more effective. Guess they don’t make artists like they used to.

  260. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    You troll with the premise that all men are equal everywhere all the time, thus men are just interchangeable cogs in society, unleashing gems like this:

    the truth of the matter is that the Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities who have the philosophical pedigree to adopt them as they immerse themselves in our society.

    Along with this you don’t grasp the concept of overlapping bell curves, so you troll with:

    you are stuck in a now defunct world where one group is totally superior in knowledge and morality compared to other groups

    So we have to constantly explain mean, median, mode, and outlier to you, and how your dichotomous thinking has you coming off as an autistic boob.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  261. @Anonymous

    I was suggesting that once goodpeople got hold of a reliable mobile service, it would cease functioning. In general, oncegoodpeople acquire control of something, they set about to ruin it. Whether through malfeasance/misfeasance or incompetence/hubris, do not know.

    A comparison of the Rockwell painting versus the photo illustrates this idea. One is an American art form, and the other is a bunch of people doing mimicry.

    Disclaimer: Not suggesting anything in particular about the particular brand name I mentioned. In fact, some ratings services assert it has the best coverage.

  262. Svigor says:
    @Lowe

    I honestly thought she was that whatsherface chick that just got elected. Casio-Cortez or whatever.

    Lulz.

  263. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    using the same arguments nativists employed. Yet, their ancestors offered counterpoints that “proved” they ought to stay.

    Sometimes immigration works as advertised; sometimes it doesn’t.

    When a country is deep into filling their welfare rolls with surly colonizers, it’s time to pull the plug; but in this day and age we are surrounded by NPCs programmed to stand around chanting “immigration is good everywhere, all the time.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  264. Art Deco says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Daddy never ran, and there’s not much indication he ever wanted the job unless the central government were to be moved to Queens. Mario Cuomo’s social resentments had a target, and that was the white shoe firms who wouldn’t given him an interview in 1958, though he’d graduated top of his law school class. Critics of Cuomo maintained that after a 16 years of practicing law in Brooklyn and more than a dozen years in the Albany elite, he was still sore about it. (The firm Debevoise and Plimpton was a target of his barbs). Andrew Cuomo’s upbringing was 2/3 professional class kid, 1/3 child of the nomenklatura. He worked as a prosecutor for about 18 months ca. 1984 before landing a series of political positions (IIRC, interspersed with positions in law firms looking for connections). Since he was 25 years old, he’s been known in Albany as a rude and unscrupulous piece of work. I don’t think there’s anyone not a close relative that he wouldn’t stomp on if they were inconvenient to him.

  265. @Corvinus

    Indeed, using the same arguments nativists employed. Yet, their ancestors offered counterpoints that “proved” they ought to stay. Hypocritical, to the say the least.

    How is it hypocritical? I don’t get it. I may be getting you wrong. Care to explain? Why’d the ”nativists” have to answer for counterpoints their ancestors made? Again, many of the immigration restrictionists want people to stop coming to the US, above all else. Then it may be discussed who has to ”go back” or not (if at all).

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  266. Lurker says:
    @Penguinchip

    Are there two Rosario Dawsons? The one I’m familiar with does not strike me as particularly beautiful. She has got a nice body though.

  267. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    “no country has the right to borders and no country has the right to say “no” to would-be immigrants”

    Actually, nations do have the right to open or close their borders. I support significantly limiting the number of immigrants entering. What I oppose are the arguments that non-whites are other than capable of assimilating. It’s just that Democrats AND Republicans, each for their own reasons, refuse to substantially address this issue.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  268. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Pink

    Actually, it’s called offering insight. Try it sometime.

  269. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “Immigrants today mostly do not accept those principals, nor do they immerse themselves in the society created by the founding stock. They insist on bringing their own principals, and imposing their own societies on to ours.”

    You do realize that you offering the SAME argument made by nativists toward Eastern and Southern Europeans. So were nativists wrong in that assessment?

    “In any event, are Mexico and Nigeria today places where enlightenment principals flourish?”

    They adopted our systems of government. Of course, like us, they have their issues.

    “Are they places of which Locke and Voltaire would be proud?”

    Why wouldn’t they be?

    “You liberals just can’t get enough of destruction, can you.”

    LOL. I’m not a liberal, I’m an educated, married, white American–like yourself–who makes his own decisions regarding race and culture.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  270. Corvinus says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    “The problem with the Irish and the (later, as Jack D correctly points out) Italians was that they were Catholic.”

    How is that an issue, considering we have freedom of religion?

    “Their grandchildren were entirely correct to fear mass immigration; what is surprising, and lamentable, is that they did nothing very effective to stop it.”

    Considering that our nation was developing, and we required labor and innovators, it is NOT surprising that there were laws in placing limiting certain groups, considering that the Immigration Act of 1795 served as the initial blueprint. Of course, the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to make changes to that act.

    So, are you agreeing with Vox Day that the Irish, Italians, Jews, Poles, and others NOT Anglo-Saxon ought to have prevented, at best, or severely limited, at worst, entering our shores? Why?

    “But the Jews in their millions were infinitely more threatening…”

    Actually, the nativists believed Eastern and Southern Europeans, whether they be Jew or non-Jew, were “threatening”.

    He was right to do so: his America (and who better than an Adams to call it “his”?)…”

    Except it wasn’t HIS America, it is OUR America.

  271. @James Speaks

    I was listening to Dan Proft on WIND-AM this morning and he was talking to Professor John Lott (“More Guns, Less Crime”) about the recent victory of the Comm…, eh, Democrats vis-a-vis the destruction of the Second Amendment.

    Anyway, Proft wanted Lott to talk a little about how our Democrat Mayor Dick Daley succeeded in having the Professor removed from the faculty of the University of Chicago which is how he ended up at Yale.

    My Scary Encounter With Chicago’s Mayor Richard Daley

    “As the author of the book “More Guns, Less Crime” and someone living and working on Daley’s home turf in Chicago, I was not one of his favorite people.

    “Daley has long been one of the nation’s strongest gun control proponents, and his behavior has sometimes bordered on the irrational.

    “The University of Chicago is one of the nation’s top private universities, and, despite its name, it does not have any formal links with the city of Chicago or any other government entity. Yet, one day, I was suddenly faced with immediate removal from my position at the university. What had happened?

    “On December 15, 1998, I learned from Dan Fischel, the law school’s Dean, that Mayor Daley had called up the president of the University of Chicago, Hugo Sonnenschein. Mayor Daley reportedly had told Sonnenschein that he had great plans for the relationship between the city and the school but that my continued presence at the university was going to do “irreparable harm” to that relationship.

    “I was then faced with two different termination options: immediately resign from the university or stay until July and promise not to talk to the press any more while I was there.

    “What had I done? On December 10, 1998, Daley had organized a conference with four other mayors to discuss suing the gun makers. Because of my book, “More Guns, Less Crime,” which argued that Daley’s gun laws did more harm than good, reporters from the local CBS and Fox stations who were already at the conference asked me to meet them to talk about the lawsuits.

    “I had originally planned to arrive after the mayors had made their presentations, but when I arrived, the mayors were behind schedule. I met then CBS reporter Mike Flannery outside the auditorium where the mayors’ presentation was about to take place, and he suggested that I attend the meeting so that I could better answer any questions that he might have. Mayor Daley went first and then other mayors made statements.

    “When the audience started yelling questions, I raised my hand in an attempt to get called on. At that point a woman walked over to me and asked me if I was John Lott from the University of Chicago. I said that I was, and she informed me that I was not allowed to ask any questions — no additional explanation was offered.

    “This appeared awfully strange, and it bothered me that someone would be singled out in the entire crowd. So after about 10 minutes, I decided to raise my hand again to ask a question. The same woman reappeared, this time signaling to two plainclothes men to come up behind me where I was seated. The woman stated that only the press were allowed to ask questions and that I would have to leave. While she was speaking to me, one of the men gave me a couple of solid hits in my back and then pushed me hard on my shoulder, almost knocking me out of my chair. I told her that I wasn’t leaving, but that I wouldn’t raise my hand again.

    “After the Mayors’ presentation, Mike Flannery suggested that it would be better to do the interview outside. However, after the interview, I still needed to contact the reporter from the local Fox station so I tried re-entering the building to use a pay phone. One of the men who had come up behind me earlier in the auditorium was at the door and said that I was not allowed to enter and that I had “lied” to get in to begin with. He claimed that I had lied about being a member of the press to get in. He also told me that I was not a real university professor and that in my public criticism of Mayor Daley’s gun policies I was abusing the University of Chicago’s name and using it for my own political purposes.

    “I told him that I would like to reenter to make a telephone call and that I had not lied to get in — I told him that he could check the log book and see that I signed in as being with the University of Chicago. At this time the female guard locked the door into the facility and said to the plainclothes man that it was now impossible for me to enter. The man appeared to have no interest in checking the log and told me to leave or he was going to call the police.

    “All of this was quite unsettling, but still I had no inkling of what was yet to come. In a few days, I got an e-mail from the Dean of the Law School, Dan Fischel, where I was a fellow: “I received a disturbing call last Friday concerning alleged events involving you at the mayor’s press conference the previous day. I need a memo from you describing in detail what happened.”

    “Thus, I e-mailed the Dean describing the above details. A few days later, I was given an ultimatum. I had to either: 1) immediately resign from the university and I would receive the money that I would have gotten through the end of the year or 2) Stay on through the end of my contract in July but promise not to talk to the press any more while I was there.

    “I wrote back to Dean Fischel — with whom I believe I had been on good terms with — that I was “stunned and shocked at being requested to resign” and pointed out that I had gone to the conference to answer questions about my research at reporters’ requests, not to cause trouble. And I asked him whether, if I took option 2, I could still talk about my book that had been released that year and my other research.

    “He responded: “I cannot give you a specific answer to your questions,” and noted, “With respect t[o] damage to your reputation, many think you have only yourself to blame by winding up in a public confrontation at the mayor’s press conference.”

    “In a later e-mail, he added: “If you cannot make yourself for all practical purposes invisible (at least in terms of any mention of the university), you should resign.”

    “I ended up taking the second option, and completely stopped talking to the media for about 4 months. Only in March with just a couple months left at the University of Chicago did I again start accepting requests to write op-ed pieces and do radio and TV interviews on my book.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/my-scary-encounter-with-chicagos-mayor-richard-daley

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    , @Reg Cæsar
  272. Corvinus says:
    @ACommenter

    “Rockwell was republican and conservative most of his life, his third wife was a dyed in the wool marxist school teacher who influenced him.”

    No. Rockwell was an independent voter. In 1948, he cast his ballot for Socialist presidential candidate Norman Thomas. In later years, he voted for Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower, whom he painted for The Saturday Evening Post.

  273. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “You troll with the premise that all men are equal everywhere all the time, thus men are just interchangeable cogs in society, unleashing gems like this…”

    You mean I promote the idea that men and women, white or non-white, European or non-European, are able to understand, and implement, the concepts of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    And, you run away, yet again.

    • Replies: @bomag
  274. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Thought for sure it would be a now seemingly mandatory iSteve Idiocracy link. Glad I clicked.

  275. Corvinus says:
    @nebulafox

    “Damn, Corvy, again with Vox Day?”

    You should be talking to your pal about how he is selling you down the river. You know, with you not being an American and all.

    “I think our Founders would have understood that as they wrote the document. Do you?”

    Indeed. They realized that future generations would use it to meet the challenges of the day.

    “silly little screed”. No, just fact–the Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  276. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    You do realize that you offering the SAME argument made by nativists toward Eastern and Southern Europeans. So were nativists wrong in that assessment?

    Maybe not.

    They adopted our systems of government. Of course, like us, they have their issues.

    If by “issues” you mean “bags of human heads left in school playgrounds” or “corpses strung up from highway overpasses” or “ritual child murder for the purposes of witchcraft” – yes, they have “issues”.

    “Are they places of which Locke and Voltaire would be proud?”

    Why wouldn’t they be?

    Because they – unlike you – were not blithering idiots.

    LOL. I’m not a liberal, I’m an educated, married, white American–like yourself–who makes his own decisions regarding race and culture.

    Of course you are a liberal, your lying about it not withstanding. Your every thought could have been cribbed from a day’s worth of NPR programming. You are a stupid nincompoop.

  277. @Achilles

    …and if they pass some stupid tax law against selling loose cigarettes, you don’t have to obey that one.

    On the other hand, how many white Staten Islanders told the man to “get a job”, when that was the only one available? All the legitimate ones that Garner was qualified for have gone to foreigners.

  278. @Joe Stalin

    I was listening to Dan Proft on WIND-AM this morning and he was talking to Professor John Lott (“More Guns, Less Crime”) about the recent victory of the Comm…, eh, Democrats vis-a-vis the destruction of the Second Amendment.

    What you just related has First Amendment implications as well.

    The Free Speech Movement was about theirs, not ours.

  279. @Corvinus

    So, are you agreeing with Vox Day that the Irish, Italians, Jews, Poles, and others NOT Anglo-Saxon ought to have prevented, at best, or severely limited, at worst, entering our shores? Why?

    Just raising standards would have done half the job.

    So, are you agreeing that the Draft Rioters were a net plus for America?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  280. StevenZ says:

    Corvinus, you don’t have some sort of magical ability because of your family tree; you are just looking for a free ride.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  281. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “When a country is deep into filling their welfare rolls with surly colonizers, it’s time to pull the plug…”

    Not as many newcomers go on welfare as you think, nor are they generally “surly colonizers”. But if makes you feel better about yourself to make such pronouncements, go right ahead.

    “”but in this day and age we are surrounded by NPCs programmed to stand around chanting “immigration is good everywhere, all the time.””

    Not as many Americans as you think are singing that song.

    • Replies: @bomag
  282. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Just raising standards would have done half the job.”

    The nativists were able to “raise the standards”–the 1921 and 1924 Immigration Acts come to mind. But it seems to me that you are not particular fond of those groups I mentioned. Praytell, are you of WASP ancestry and thus smitten with your kind?

    “So, are you agreeing that the Draft Rioters were a net plus for America?”

    You mean the Irish as a group. Some were draft rioters, some were draft dodgers, and some were drafted and fought for their new nation. Yes, I would say in the end they were a “net plus”. You?

    • Replies: @Moses
  283. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

  284. anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    “You do realize that you offering the SAME argument made by nativists toward Eastern and Southern Europeans. So were nativists wrong in that assessment?”

    That’s a false comparison. You’ve taken two closely related groups and claimed that some argument made against one is wrong, so all similar arguments against other groups must also be wrong (btw, the assessment wasn’t wrong as Northern and Western Europeans score lower on aggression indices and higher on cognitive tests than Southern and Eastern Europeans).

    For example, both bears and sloths are mammals; some mammals are aggressive but some are not. The naive observer might rightly fear a newly encountered sloth if he had once encountered an aggressive bear because both are more similar to each other than to birds or reptiles. However, just because the sloth is not particularly dangerous does not mean that a newly encountered wolf – also a mammal – will be similarly passive. Corvinus: “You do realize that you are offering the SAME argument made by rural hunters toward bears and sloths, right? So, were they wrong in that assessment? Go ahead and pet wolfy there rube.”

    “In any event, are Mexico and Nigeria today places where enlightenment principals flourish?” … “They adopted our systems of government. Of course, like us, they have their issues.”

    Again, a false equivalence. First, the issues they have are both far worse and more varied than the issues we have, so your comparison is flawed. Second, you are attempting to blame the system itself as being the source of their problems when it obliviously is not. Not only did many of these problems exist long before the adoption of “our systems of government” but there are other nations like China which have different systems of government and function quite well. And Japan has emulated our government but has a GDP 30-40% greater than Mexico’s despite having a smaller tourism industry, far fewer natural resources, poor soil, an older population, and nearly equal population sizes. Much of this goes for Taiwan, South Korea, and a host of other governments as well. Hell, Japan was devastated by a world war but is still far better in nearly metric than Nigeria.

    “Are they places of which Locke and Voltaire would be proud?” … “Why wouldn’t they be?”

    Duh. Would Locke or Voltaire want to live in Monrovia? Even in modern times with all the supposed advantages of technology? Do you vacation in Liberia? If not, then why not?

    “I’m an educated, married, white American–like yourself–who makes his own decisions regarding race and culture.”

    Thus, the failure of democracy. Merely being credentialed does not mean one possesses understanding.

  285. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Rockwell represents a dark past of white supremacy. Do you deny that America was a racist country they?

    do you deny that black, brown and yellow are racist even today?

  286. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    “OK, hotshot, break it down for us. Are you able to muster up the intellectual firepower necessary to lend support to your statement, or are you going to run away yet again?”

    Ah, the worst commenter on Unz strikes again — and that’s saying something: a guy who claims he’s married (LOL), gets repeatedly owned and runs away (even in this thread), posts towards the end of each thread’s shelf-life so he’s less likely to be challenged, never learns, and posts bizarre, nearly off-topic, rants people avoid like the plague — and he interprets all of this as proof of his genius.

  287. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    “How is that an issue, considering we have freedom of religion?”

    We have freedoms in this country until guys like you say we don’t. A religious baker has religious freedom until he exercises it. A gun owner has gun rights until he buys the gun (now they’ll just take it back from you). People have the right to protest until the heckler’s veto removes it and the police stand down. You have equal rights under the law until you apply to a public college and have to score higher because you are a member of a certain racial group. We have freedoms in this country just like North Korea is a democratic republic — in name only.

  288. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Free Speech Movement was about theirs, not ours.”

    Yep. Their protests against stuffy conservative types occurred back when they thought the right had the power to censor them. Now that they’ve got the power, they do all the censoring. They were fighting for their rights the whole time, not anything universal.

  289. Corvinus says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    “False premise: Only Anglo-Saxons founded the country. Everyonoe knows there were others included in the founders.”

    Try to follow along.

    AnotherDad made this comment –> ““Freedom of speech”–having the patience, intelligence, consideration and decency to sit still and listen to and consider your opponents arguments is about the whitest, most Anglo-Saxon, thing ever.”

    I made this comment –> Yep, and ONLY those Anglo-Saxons who founded our nation are capable of handling such a weighty matter. Do YOU, AnotherDad, directly trace both sides to the 1600′s? No? Then you must go back.”

    The context of my comment was in reference to Vox Day, who insists that only those Americans who are able to have a direct line to the 1600′s, are “true” Americans. So that would be Day’s false premise.

    “Logical fallacy: false dichotomy. Another Dad does not need to choose between the alternatives you have on offer.”

    He is the one who created those choices, considering he is of the belief that white people are “better” than non-white people, and that white people must unite, lest they are cucks or race traitors.

    “False premise: Vox Day has standing to speak for any of us here. No one cares about his fallacy-riddled musings except you.”

    He has standing as a leader of the Alt Right. He is supportive of many of your views. It’s good to see that you believe his position on this particular subject you find “fallacy-riddled”. Why don’t you tell him?

    ” It does not follow that if ‘individuals from “far away places” like Mexico and Nigeria‘ take the ideas of Locke and Voltaire and apply them to their lives’ that we should import them without restriction into our country.”

    Except I never made that direct statement nor inference. Should Mexicans and Nigerians immigrate to our nation, they are have the ability to comprehend Locke and Voltaire. Their philosophies are not restricted to just white Europeans. YOU are the one assuming that I favor these groups arriving to the United States unfettered. The reality is I support immigration restrictions.

    “First, some of them won’t embrace Western Civilization if they come here, because of the stupidity of Western Liberals like you.”

    False Premise–I am not a “western liberal”.

    Confirmation Bias–You automatically assume that this group is “stupid” and therefore imports people who clearly are incapable of embracing our society, which is America, not “Western Civilization”.

    “Multiculturalism (your desideratum) claims that their culture is a good, or probably better than ours…”

    Another false premise on your part. I do not believe that their culture is”better”. Of course, it is natural for people to think that way, but that is based on one’s frame of reference.

    “The fact that they want to come here shows that claim is false.”

    Many people have wanted to come to the U.S. for better opportunities. Eastern and Southern Europeans were no different, yet nativists felt their cultural values were unbecoming, and therefore, undesirable.

    “But you insist that they bring their failures here and we must embrace them.”

    Yet another false premise here. The groups that come to our nation are “failures” or are bringing their “failures”, they are escaping the failure of their society. That would be a historical phenomenon. Would say that the Puritans or Quakers or the Mennonites brought with them “failures” because they could not get along with other religious groups in Europe?

    “Third, there is no reason they cannot apply Western principles in their home country. They should stay there and improve their own countries.”

    They do work toward that endeavor. But they have their own unique set of issues. And, in some cases, certain nations endured the scourge of European colonialism and imperialism and are trying to recover.

  290. Corvinus says:
    @Chris Mallory

    “Just because your ancestors were squatting in some Eastern European ghetto does not mean you have any right to this nation founded by my ancestors.”

    Then you are decidedly anti-white, and are an enemy to white nationalists.

    ““Ourselves and our posterity” does not include Irish papists, German Communists, and the rest of the scum that came through Ellis Island.”

    Except there is the First Amendment and the separation of church and state. And posterity, thanks to the vision of the Founding Fathers, meant that future generations decide who and who not to let in

  291. OP says:
    @CAL2

    His eternal vendettas are part of the reason I’ve been a faithful blog reader of his for going on ten years now.

  292. @Corvinus

    Adams would agree with you – “it is your America now”, he would say, “… and you can keep it”.

  293. Evocatus says:
    @The Alarmist

    This Jamaican broad isn’t a transgender lesbian AFAIK but she came close enough back in ’96 (NSFW):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo_Mama%27s_Last_Supper

    Note that her Judas is a honky while the other 11 apostles are brothas.

  294. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon

    Communism is always behind capitalism — their “progress” was Victorian-era experents carried further — so there was a huge bemoaned conflict between Socialist Realism and “modern art,” with several abortive attempts to bridge the gap, culminating in Krushchoff sending construction vehicles to scare attendees away from a modern art showing. Bolsheviks were all for experimentation in all fields (at one point you could buy popularly available avant garde dinnerware glazed with abstract painting by then-known artists) but Stalin put down a firm stamp of aesthetic conservatism that was never completely lifted. Furthermore (and you see this retarding Chinese cinema in the present) the function of Socialist Realist art was to be Everyman’s art, so you can’t have any Faulknerian riddles or debatable splotches.

  295. dr kill says:
    @JimB

    If Carlson is a member he should quit.

  296. @Flip

    Catholic Germans with Irish and Protestant Germans with British and Scandinavians.

    Ethel Merman and Donald Trump are the latter. They had Scottish mothers. If you count assimilated German Jews, then add Oscar Hammerstein II to that.

    My maternal grandmother was also a German-Scot Catholic mix from NYC. My father had a German surname, but the Germanness was greatly diluted over two hundred years in America. Same with the Dutch, Huguenots, Swedes, and other very early arrivals.

  297. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hipsters, young couples with 1 or 2 kids, B-list actors.

  298. damaris says:

    hilariously naff. moar.

  299. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Some nonwhites assimilate well, some don’t, but we have a right to say we don’t want them assimilating to us and vice versa, that we want to stay us and they can run their own countries as they see fit.

    If they want to adopt our ways, in their own countries, that’s fine and if not that is fine also.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  300. Harold says:

    When I read the title of this post, what came to mind was how here, in New Zealand, Maori, and other Polynesians, appropriate black American culture, and of course one cannot imagine any Blacks complaining about aspects of their culture being appropriated by fellow oppressed browns. They just don’t like whitey doing it.

    OT, I’m surprised there has been so little mention of this around the race realist web.

    https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-film-israel-lobby-didnt-want-you-see/25876

    The Electronic Intifada has obtained a complete copy of The Lobby — USA, a four-part undercover investigation by Al Jazeera into Israel’s covert influence campaign in the United States.

    We are releasing the leaked film simultaneously with France’s Orient XXI and Lebanon’s Al-Akhbar, which have respectively subtitled the episodes in French and Arabic.

    The film was made by Al Jazeera during 2016 and was completed in October 2017.

    I haven’t watched it yet. Has anyone?

    • Replies: @Moses
  301. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Arclight

    Too much success and comfort can be a bad thing seems to be the moral of 21st century America. When the overwhelming majority of the public has few actual unmet material needs and no external threat that appears to threaten its freedoms, apparently the instinct is to attack one’s own culture and citizens.

    When people have no actual problems they will look for imaginary problems.

    Modern western culture presents no challenges. There’s nothing to fight for. Nothing to struggle for. All you have to do is to consume. You don’t need any beliefs because this is a culture that offers nothing to believe in.

    So people feel that their lives are worthless. Because their lives really are worthless. They can’t turn to religion because religions like Christianity demand actual effort. They’re too spoilt for that. So they find a substitute religion that requires no effort at all. There are two popular choices, environmentalism and social justice. And suddenly they feel like they have something to live for and they feel important and virtuous.

    And these are religions that offer the same attractions that certain Protestant sects used to offer – the world is filled with evil but it’s OK because if you’re a believer you must be one of the Elect and you must therefore be Saved. You don’t have to do anything to earn salvation, other than to believe.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  302. Moses says:
    @Jason Liu

    Interesting…

    What you say — that White values like “freedom of speech” allowed the left to fester and subvert our societies — makes sense.

    However, what you left out was that barring dissimilar aliens and Fellow Whites from our nations likely would have prevented destructive leftism from taking root.

    When the White tribe is left to its own nations without aliens in its midst we do just fine. When cryptic ethnocentric aliens are allowed in they begin busily leveraging our own ideology against us and subverting.

    It’s a pretty good argument to preserve racial supermajorities in countries. Weird how all countries except White countries know this and do this. Israel just made itself an expressly racial state, for example.

  303. Moses says:
    @Harold

    I once saw a group of NZ Navy personnel do a Maori(?) tribal dance. The one with all the stomping and snorting and crazy faces.

    It was embarrassing to watch White NZ naval officers and enlisted men appropriate a culture. As if a group of White Americans donned feather headdresses to do a Native American wardance.

  304. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Altai

    Have you been to Australia or New Zealand recently? All Anglosphere countries are, presumably due to garbage Regan/Thatcherite ideas being easier to disseminate in English and the number of potential immigrants with English language skills, embracing insane economic policies that revolve around endless cheap foreign labour and high personal debt and house prices along with rampant privatisation.

    Agreed.

  305. Moses says:
    @Corvinus

    Praytell, are you of WASP ancestry and thus smitten with your kind?

    Praytell, are you of Jewish ancestry and thus smitten with your kind?

    Rhetorical.

  306. Anonymous[212] • Disclaimer says:

    While reading your article I had assumed that one of your commenters photoshopped together that blatantly ridiculous diversity jumping the shark picture but followed your link to NYT and there it was front and center in the original article. What insane times we live in. All the news that’s not even worth lining the bird cage with.

  307. @Anonym

    Obviously we want to avoid world wars, but responding to the low-level war now waged against our people would forestall the South African situation.

    Do you have a recommended response?

  308. @Corvinus

    Yep, and ONLY those Anglo-Saxons who founded our nation are capable of handling such a weighty matter.

    Thank you for your admission against interest. You have proven my claim: “False premise: Only Anglo-Saxons founded the country. Everyone knows there were others included in the founders.”

    He is the one who created those choices, considering he is of the belief that white people are “better” than non-white people, and that white people must unite, lest they are cucks or race traitors.

    He did not. You cannot defend your argument against him.

    He has standing as a leader of the Alt Right. He is supportive of many of your views. It’s good to see that you believe his position on this particular subject you find “fallacy-riddled”. Why don’t you tell him?

    (1) I am not in the ‘Alt Right” (2) If I were in the ‘Alt Right’ I would not accept anyone with your description of positions as a leader with authority to determine my actions or positions on anything (3) If the person living in your head, whom you refer to as ‘Vox Day’ supported my views I would note that his support is coincidental, but be glad for including him among my allies – even if the support is the only point of intersection. (4) It is not my job to disabuse him of his fallacious positions (but keep in mind I have not investigated them myself – I am assuming your recitation of those positions is accurate).

    Another false premise on your part. I do not believe that their culture is”better”.

    Do you think our culture is superior to theirs? And be sure to answer in the absolute, and not the relative sense.

    They do work toward that endeavor. But they have their own unique set of issues. And, in some cases, certain nations endured the scourge of European colonialism and imperialism and are trying to recover.

    Another non sequitur. It does not follow that they should immigrate here, even if your false premise that colonialism and imperialism harmed them is true. Strip mining the third world of their best minds is no way to improve the conditions of the third world. And bringing any of them here that are not their best harms American Citizens. We need an immigration moratorium. Do you agree?

    If not, I stand by my claim that you are a black Numenoean. If you do agree I repent of my calumniation of you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  309. Roscoe F. says:
    @Anonymous

    Don’t make the black kids angry.

  310. black sea says:
    @Lot

    “Wilted uncut raw celery in a tiny crystal bowl, just like like my Grama used to make.”

    A vegan Thanksgiving, I’d wager.

  311. black sea says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    “Lunch up” is the opposite of “chow down”?

    Beyond that, I’m at sea.

  312. MB says:

    Ummm, Brenda Snipes is pulling a Daley in Broward County and none of the usuals are screaming cultural appropriation.

    What???

    I am shocked, shocked that a minority is trying to pass as white in the DJT Era. What’s that sister thinking? And where’s the corn rows?

  313. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jason Liu

    But doesn’t this just show that the values espoused in Rockwell’s paintings were ultimately wrong, seeing how they were taken advantage of to create the society you have today?

    It always stuns me how white conservatives fail to realize that their nice sounding civic virtues are what allows leftism to fester in the first place.

    Agreed. The conservatives with the nice sounding civic virtues are in fact liberals, devoted to the liberal principles upon which the United States was founded. They were the destructive anti-civilisational anti-Christian principles of the Enlightenment. Those liberal principles were always going to lead to disaster. And disaster is exactly what they did lead to.

    Those liberal principles were designed from the outset as a means of undermining societies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  314. Corvinus says:
    @adreadline

    “How is it hypocritical? I don’t get it. I may be getting you wrong. Care to explain? Why’d the ”nativists” have to answer for counterpoints their ancestors made?”

    There are those Americans today who want to limit immigration (which I support) AND who say that they certain groups (e.g. Central Americans, Africans) are incapable of assimilating (which I believe that can). Nativists also took both positions. Of course, groups that nativists had opposed (e.g. Irish, Poles, Italians, Slavs) took umbrage. Nativists did not view it that way–these groups were inferior and would forever change, for the worse, the character of our nation. Now, fast forward to today. The ancestors of those same groups who had been persecuted by nativists…are using the same arguments. That is the hypocrisy. What made their ancestors so special?

    • Replies: @adreadline
    , @Anonymous
  315. Corvinus says:
    @StevenZ

    “Corvinus, you don’t have some sort of magical ability because of your family tree”

    Never made that statement directly or indirectly. Strawman much?

    “you are just looking for a free ride.”

    Most nearly everyone here is looking for a free ride, especially if their ancestors are NOT Anglo-Saxon based.

  316. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Some nonwhites assimilate well, some don’t…

    OK.

    “but we have a right to say we don’t want them assimilating to us and vice versa”

    OK.

    “that we want to stay us and they can run their own countries as they see fit.”

    Who is this “us”?

    “If they want to adopt our ways, in their own countries, that’s fine and if not that is fine also.”

    It’s also OK for them to come and adopt our ways here.

  317. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    I promote the idea that men and women, white or non-white, European or non-European, are able to understand, and implement, the concepts of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    Those are necessary but not sufficient reasons for someone to be an immigrant.

    Plus, those are abstract ideals that don’t lend themselves to quantification. Immigration comes down to quantity.

  318. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    Not as many newcomers go on welfare as you think

    It isn’t zero, and is far larger than it should be. Why have any?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  319. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/jeff-danzigers-editorial-cartoon-11

    And even in Poland…

    https://www.amren.com/features/2018/11/a-frank-assessment-of-nationalism-in-poland/

    There was the Blank Slate theory that said the human mind can be filled with any conditioning, ideas, and habits.

    Now, it is applied to white lands. White Lands are now seen as Blank Slates for the craziest social experiments of all time. Apparently, blank slate white lands can be made into any utopia based on the whims of man-children like Justin Trudeau whose puppet strings are pulled by globalists. Blank Slate was bad enough. Now, we have Blank STATE theory.

    And under globalism, the US has gone from superpower to superpuppet. A powerful puppet of globalists who wage war on nationhood.

  320. Corvinus says:
    @Thresher

    “I would be able to take Vox’s definition of America and his theory of strict genetic nationalism seriously if he wasn’t a mestizo squatting in Italy.”

    LOL, dude, he is not a mestizo. He is European and Native American. And he is hardly “squatting” in Italy. He has a villa and is making tons of cash marketing the Alt Right through comics.

    Now, setting aside Vox Da for a moment, do you think there is a case for strict genetic nationalism? Why?

    • Replies: @Thresher
  321. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:

    This idea that it’s “hypocrisy” to treat foreign peoples differently to your own is very strange. Only Westerners think like this. It’s probably something to do with Christianity.

  322. LOL, dude, he is not a mestizo. He is European and Native American.

    LOL, dude, it is not 9. It is 6+3.

  323. @Corvinus

    Damn you Sailer, you did not publish my response.

  324. Cato says:
    @Tiny Duck

    We will replace you

    Really dig your work bro, but still can’t figure out whether you are drinking while posting or sniffing glue.

  325. @Corvinus

    There are those Americans today who want to limit immigration (which I support) AND who say that they certain groups (e.g. Central Americans, Africans) are incapable of assimilating (which I believe that can). Nativists also took both positions. Of course, groups that nativists had opposed (e.g. Irish, Poles, Italians, Slavs) took umbrage. Nativists did not view it that way–these groups were inferior and would forever change, for the worse, the character of our nation. Now, fast forward to today.

    Actually I think it’s very possible to argue Slavs, Poles… Eastern Europeans in general, plus Italians, Greeks… and other Southern Europeans did end up changing the character of the United States in ways the Founding Fathers would likely not be happy with, and have not fully assimilated. I’m not American, a historian, a sociologist, etc. but this is my first impression, subject to change. I suspect the US would not be as they are today if the country was majority Dinaric or even Baltic. Then again, there’s that thing about ”our Posterity” in the preamble of the United States Constitution… (needless to say, you will not be hard-pressed to find others writing extensively about that subject ’round the internet)

    The ancestors of those same groups who had been persecuted by nativists…are using the same arguments. That is the hypocrisy. What made their ancestors so special?

    What makes their descendents — many of whom are today arguing for less immigration — special is the fact that they are already in the US. That’s it. By being born in the US, they won big, and know the value of their US citizenship/resident status is going to diminish as more people move in (regardless of whether the immigration restrictionists’ ancestors arrived on Plymouth Rock or Ellis Island or Miami).

    I’ll agree with you on one thing. In my view, conservative immigration restrictionists are being hypocritical when they use the point I made in the previous paragraph to defend their own citizenship, but then say they’re for ”fairness”. How was it fair that their ancestors got to the US first? Was it fair that they displaced the Native Americans? etc. Then again, to solve that conundrum they could simple drop the premise that, as conservatives, they strive to be ”fair”. Nothing is fair. The world is unfair. The fact I’m alive to type those words is unfair. But I digress…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @jinks
  326. @adreadline

    When I was about 7 years old, I was overcome with anxiety about how privileged I was to be born in America. I thought very hard about it one afternoon, and eventually decided I wasn’t going to feel bad about being lucky enough to be born in America anymore.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  327. Corvinus says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    “Thank you for your admission against interest. You have proven my claim: “False premise: Only Anglo-Saxons founded the country. Everyone knows there were others included in the founders.””

    LOL, what I proved is that you are unable to understand sarcasm and context. Vox Day, not I, believes in this premise which is false. Nice try.

    “Do you think our culture is superior to theirs? And be sure to answer in the absolute, and not the relative sense.”

    I believe every culture has its superior and inferior traits. I have never been of the mindset that one culture overall is “better” or “superior” than another culture; in a similar vein, I shudder when a Christian, Jew, or Muslim says “my religion is better than other religions”. It is a matter of personal choice and belief.

    I love the American culture. I find other cultures to be fascinating. But each culture has their undesirable aspects.

    “even if your false premise that colonialism and imperialism harmed them is true.”

    It has been proven over and over again that colonialism and imperialism had adverse affects on the conquered lands and people.

    “Strip mining the third world of their best minds is no way to improve the conditions of the third world.”

    Well. Europeans invaded the world and we invited the world. The genie is out of the bottle and is running amok.

    “And bringing any of them here that are not their best harms American Citizens.”

    One has to define what is “their best”. Nativists made the same charge. Illiterate Southern and Eastern Europeans had begged to differ that they were “refuse”.

    “We need an immigration moratorium. Do you agree?”

    I am of the mindset that we need to limit immigration. How severe? Great question. Do we exclude specific groups? No.

    “If not, I stand by my claim that you are a black Numenoean. If you do agree I repent of my calumniation of you.”

    You can stand by it all you want. I am educated, married white American man (German, Dutch, Polish ancestry) who makes his own decisions about race and culture. You?

  328. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “It isn’t zero, and is far larger than it should be.”

    Your opinion is duly noted.

    “Why have any?”

    The nativists said the same thing about Eastern and Southern Europeans. They should go back.

  329. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jason Liu

    The reason western nations have all these problems is not too much freedom of speech, but too little.

    With specific regard to immigration, public debate on this topic was conducted for decades against the background of a news blackout of all the problems and downsides that it caused. This blackout has only recently been lifted.

  330. Anonymous[984] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    Casting freedom of speech by the very people who want to dictate speech and silence opposition is a bit much

  331. jinks says:
    @DFH

    Yes, yes it is. Do you have a problem with that? The ministry of truth would like to know.

    I like how Norman Rockwell’s painting has a distinct effect of a sort of good natured optimism and the “recreation” has that holier than thou preachy-ness that is oh so wonderful to contemplate.

  332. jinks says:
    @adreadline

    It’s unfair that I wasn’t born in Switzerland. Do you think that they would understand their privilege and let me in because I feel bad.

  333. nebulafox says:
    @Corvinus

    My pal? No, no, no, Corvy. He’s *your* pal. I mean, given that you are the one who is so clearly obsessed with him. That, or there’s some homoerotic love/hate subcontext here that I do not want to touch with a ten-foot pole.

    No, I myself am not really concerned what Vox Day does and does not believe. I can’t be. The man is far too tedious to get through and I’ve got code to work on. C’est la vie.

    >Indeed. They realized that future generations would use it to meet the challenges of the day.

    “Indeed, I will respond to this with another little banal non-sequitur.”

    >No, just fact–the Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities.

    Once again: “Theory is grey, and reality is green.”

    Of course the core principles apply broadly to all races and ethnicities, Corvy, though if the Founding Fathers interpreted these principles in the same way our current elites-media, cultural, economic, and political-do, well, the United States would have looked very different early on. Far from me denying that, some of the most hyper-American-in different ways-people I’ve known were born in completely different societies, or their parents were. However, these people were also the types interested in… actually earning the history and early politics of the US, and thinking deeply about society and human nature in general. These types tend to be relatively few numerically, regardless of race, so I don’t think using them as a barometer of what most-of all socioeconomic strata as well as race-think is very useful.

    But do all races and ethnicities interpret them or value them in the same way, on average? Furthermore, will importing tens of millions of random foreigners in without coexisting assimilation-ignoring all the other potential issues, above all economic ones-impact your civic virtues positively? Well… there’s not a whole lot of empirical evidence to support either assertion, despite that being the increasingly shrill orthodoxy of everything “mainstream” in the US. And in general, if we wish to discuss the roots on why humans behave the way they do, and behave differently from each other, the prognosis for blank-slate theory scientifically surviving the next few decades of genetics research looks pretty grim.

    But, hey, that’s all empirical evidence. Not wholesome values and stuff. So, it seems, dear Corvino, that we must hold back and wait to see if you embrace the potential to get out of those dysfunctional vortices of prejudices and half-baked nonsense baked deep in your little noggin. We’ll all be rooting for you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  334. @dfordoom

    So what are you arguing for? That people should try to earn their Christian salvation? That just leads to more Methodists who engage in social work to do God’s job for him. The origin of the welfare state and social liberalism.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  335. Anonymous[984] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Those people largely assimilated, they were expected to learn the language, did not expect the mainstream culture to give up their culture or adapt to their ways, did not scapegoat the mainstream America, did not call for conquest (such as conquest of SW US or by increasing expectations of conversion to Sharia laws and Islam). These people also were more carefully screened for disease and suitablity and not allowed in when unfit. And despite the fact that they were more abled, more intelligent, and less troublesome than today’s crop, there was still the recognition that we needed a immigration moratorium, one that lasted about 40 years. So how much more consideration should we give to today’s group who want to force their way in, make demands for everyone to die off or change to suit them, and for them and their extended families to get in line in front of mainstream America for entitlements from the govt that they did not contribute to paying for?

    Though the libs would never admit it it is largely because of them, creating a welfare state and setting up society such that minorities get special privilege that creates many of the very reasons we must drastically limit immigration.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  336. Linda Fox says: • Website

    Of course, what’s interesting is what this new version DOESN’T have:
    - the Latinx is clearly a member of the Elite – trim, successful, in an expensive dress, with manicured fingers (no dirt under the nails). The original was a working man.
    - There isn’t a paper tucked into her jacket pocket, referencing, perhaps, notes on what she intends to talk about (perhaps she’ll just go off-the-cuff, and wing it, without facts?).
    - As opposed to actually listening to what she is saying, the audience around her are, hanging on every word, in a worshipful and intense follower mode, not paying attention, staring into space, or with jaws firmly locked, enduring the lecture, and hoping she’ll sit down soon.
    -

  337. Corvinus says:
    @nebulafox

    “My pal? No, no, no, Corvy. He’s *your* pal. I mean, given that you are the one who is so clearly obsessed with him. That, or there’s some homoerotic love/hate subcontext here that I do not want to touch with a ten-foot pole.”

    I see your latency stage and raise you the Oedipus Complex.

    “Of course the core principles apply broadly to all races and ethnicities”

    Exactly.

    “though if the Founding Fathers interpreted these principles in the same way our current elites-media, cultural, economic, and political”.

    At the time, the Founding Fathers believed these principles were for the Anglo-Saxon and European masses. Over time, it was “elites” who expanded upon what those ideals and value meant, it was the general populace, to critical acclaim. Perhaps you are the one who is on a high horse. Is that your hobby?

    “However, these people were also the types interested in… actually earning the history and early politics of the US, and thinking deeply about society and human nature in general.”

    And those “types”, from Nigeria to Belize to Vietnam, hold that same deep interest.

    “But do all races and ethnicities interpret them or value them in the same way, on average”

    I would say yes.

    “Furthermore, will importing tens of millions of random foreigners…”

    Hyperbole.

    “in without coexisting assimilation-ignoring all the other potential issues, above all economic ones-impact your civic virtues positively? Well… there’s not a whole lot of empirical evidence to support either assertion…”

    Yet, it appears you are of the mindset that non-Europeans are less skilled in this regard.

    “And in general, if we wish to discuss the roots on why humans behave the way they do, and behave differently from each other, the prognosis for blank-slate theory scientifically surviving the next few decades of genetics research looks pretty grim.”

    All behavior is heritable, not that it is “entirely” or even “mostly” genetically deterministic. Environment AND genetics matter, and play off one another. So we shall see to what extent nature gains an “advantage” over nurture.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  338. @Steve Sailer

    Yes. To paraphrase Cecil Rhodes, “To be born an American is to win first prize in the lottery of life.”

  339. Anonymous[984] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    The principles that whites have worked well with a society of whites. In fact they have been a source of strength under those circumstances. It’s when people who don’t have those principles come in that problems occur. Such as people from low trust societies who come and exploit our trust in others, those who tend to extend ethnic nepotism in a society where everyone else is playing by the most qualified getting the job, and those who lack the internal imperative to provide for themselves and their families, parasitizing the labor of the mainstream citizens.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  340. Corvinus says:
    @stillCARealist

    “That just leads to more Methodists who engage in social work to do God’s job for him.”

    And how is this a bad thing?

    “The origin of the welfare state and social liberalism.”

    Christian salvation? Really?

  341. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Those people largely assimilated, they were expected to learn the language, did not expect the mainstream culture to give up their culture or adapt to their ways, did not scapegoat the mainstream America…”

    As have non-European immigrants. Regardless, nativists did NOT care about such things. What mattered to them was the mere presence of Eastern and Southern Europeans would doom Anglo-Saxonism.

    “did not call for conquest (such as conquest of SW US)…

    The American Southwest has not been conquered.

    “or by increasing expectations of conversion to Sharia laws and Islam). ”

    That would be Fake News.

    “These people also were more carefully screened for disease and suitablity and not allowed in when unfit.”

    Because Eastern and Southern Europeans were deemed to be inferior, compared to Western and Northern Europeans.

    “And despite the fact that they were more abled, more intelligent, and less troublesome than today’s crop…”

    Not according to nativists. Why do you think were those screenings!

    “there was still the recognition that we needed a immigration moratorium, one that lasted about 40 years.”

    The 1921 and 1924 immigration acts involved quotas for non-North Americans, and the only prohibition was that the Japanese could not enter our shores.

    “So how much more consideration should we give to today’s group who want to force their way in, make demands for everyone to die off or change to suit them, and for them and their extended families to get in line in front of mainstream America for entitlements from the govt that they did not contribute to paying for?”

    The same consideration Eastern and Southern Europeans demanded from nativists.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Anonymous
  342. Thresher says:
    @Corvinus

    Yes, he is mestizo. His own entry on his very own Wikipedia clone says as much under the ‘early life’ heading.

    “He is of English, Irish, Mexican, and Native American descent.”

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Vox_Day

    So what if he’s a successful author? He’s not Italian, so by his own supposed principles, he’s nothing more than a foreign interloper adulterating the Italian population and culture by his mere presence.

    Unless, of course, he doesn’t mean a Goddamned word of it, and it’s just a niche he exploits as intellectual market share, just like Ben Shapiro does with neo-conservatism.

    As for your question: yes, in certain cases, I do. Take Japan, for example. Extremely homogeneous, their culture doesn’t really exist anywhere outside those of Japanese ancestry, non-Japanese weaboos and otakus notwithstanding.

    But here in America, we’ve *never* been that homogeneous. And yet, America and Americans self-evidently does and do exist. Therefore, an alternative definition is required.

  343. Corvinus says:

    “Yes, he is mestizo. His own entry on his very own Wikipedia clone says as much under the ‘early life’ heading.”

    YOU indicate he is mestizo. Day says he has various ancestries. Moreover, mestizo is a term traditionally used in Spain, Latin America and the Philippines. Do you live in one of those areas?

    “He’s not Italian, so by his own supposed principles, he’s nothing more than a foreign interloper adulterating the Italian population and culture by his mere presence.”

    I would agree. Unless, of course, the Italian population generally supports him being there and values his contributions.

    “Unless, of course, he doesn’t mean a Goddamned word of it, and it’s just a niche he exploits as intellectual market share, just like Ben Shapiro does with neo-conservatism.”

    Certainly a distinct possibility.

    “But here in America, we’ve *never* been that homogeneous. And yet, America and Americans self-evidently does and do exist. Therefore, an alternative definition is required.”

    And what would be this “alternative definition”?

  344. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    As have non-European immigrants. [assimilated as much as earlier European immigrants]

    A common modus today is to immigrate and live in an ethnic enclave.

    Regardless, nativists did NOT care about such things. What mattered to them was the mere presence of Eastern and Southern Europeans would doom Anglo-Saxonism.

    It certainly did not do it any particular good.

    The American Southwest has not been conquered.

    A matter of opinion.

    (increasing expectations of conversion to Sharia laws and Islam) That would be Fake News

    That is policy of a substantial portion of their leadership. Islam is hostile to other social mores. Just because you know a few good ones changes nothing.

    Because Eastern and Southern Europeans were deemed to be inferior, compared to Western and Northern Europeans.

    You keep repeating this beyond ad nauseum.

    This is a political debate, and people search for one pithy idea to repeat and propagate. It might not be entirely true, but it stands for a rubric to cover the debate. Thus we have people chanting that Republicans are Hitler, when Republican government has been as good or better than Democrat governance. I expect in the future you will lecture the Democrats on how their claim of nascent Hitlerism by Repups did not pan out, and the hard fact is that Democrats nurtured the actual Hitlerism, so thus we must bow to Republicans and let them have their way going forward. Heh heh heh.

    The immigration debate is part utilitarian, as when we judge immigrants as needed for economic reasons, and partly how much we want to be “nice” to other people by giving away part of our country. German immigrants from earlier waves proved a boon for industrialization, but that doesn’t mean every immigrant is thus such a boon. Most jobs today are mostly overhead; if we really need more bodies on the fruited plains, we should raise up more of our own, or enjoy the extra space for future growth.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  345. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    That might work in a verbal debate, but replying back without thinking or finding out facts to support what you’re talking about doesn’t help out in a written one.

  346. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    The principles that whites have worked well with a society of whites. In fact they have been a source of strength under those circumstances. It’s when people who don’t have those principles come in that problems occur.

    I don’t agree. The liberal insanity that threatens the West comes from within western civilisation. It comes from flaws within our own civilisation. The West was already embracing nihilism and degeneracy long before immigration became an issue.

    The problem is us. The post-Enlightenment version of western civilisation was a seriously bad idea right from the start. It was the poisonous anti-Christian ideology of the Enlightenment that started the rot.

    Whether you like immigrants or not, whether you want immigration or not, is irrelevant. (Personally I’d be much happier without any immigration.) The people responsible for the nightmares currently facing white people are white people.

    Liberal principles never were a source of strength. Those principles were designed as a means of destroying Christian civilisation.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  347. Dr. Doom says:

    Two or three score ago, depending on the racism of Math, our step-boarders brought about a new nation, based on lies, damned lies, and statistics. One patriot not among them, transparent and divisive, with no justice but racism for them all.
    As we now endure a Cold Civil War, we watch idiots claiming to be experts wanting ingrates to steal our habitat for “humanity” not much better than hungry mongrels. Our Forefathers brought a new nation onto this continent for them and their posterity and some green statuary from France with a cheap plaque disagrees with them and us.
    This land was fought and bought with our blood, stolen with monopoly money and papered over wih drivel, doggerel and lies. We struggle not with men, but with rats, dirty rats, and cheap nappy headed sluts, that are nothing but a lunatic Jim Jones Suicide Cult.
    We need not discuss Our Constitution with con artists, and their lies.

    SHUT UP. We are the people. Get thee out..

  348. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “A common modus today is to immigrate and live in an ethnic enclave.”

    Yes, and?

    “A matter of opinion.”

    Now you’re getting it, sport!

    “That is policy of a substantial portion of their leadership. Islam is hostile to other social mores.”

    Not to American Muslims who have assimilated.

    “This is a political debate…”

    It is a political, economic, AND social debate.

    “Thus we have people chanting that Republicans are Hitler…”

    And those people are idiots.

    “when Republican government has been as good or better than Democrat governance.”

    Depends upon’s one perspective.

    “The immigration debate is part utilitarian, as when we judge immigrants as needed for economic reasons…”

    Indeed.

    “and partly how much we want to be “nice” to other people by giving away part of our country.”

    The only thing we are”giving” is citizenship to those who enter our shores legally.

    “German immigrants from earlier waves proved a boon for industrialization…”

    Nativists said they were a bane because they worked cheaply, and their cultural norms would destroy the nation. It made little difference that this group was white and European.

    “but that doesn’t mean every immigrant is thus such a boon.”

    Perhaps. Or maybe not.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-07-10/economic-statistics-suggest-immigration-is-a-boost-to-the-us-economy

    “Most jobs today are mostly overhead; if we really need more bodies on the fruited plains, we should raise up more of our own, or enjoy the extra space for future growth.”

    We do raise up “our own”–whites, blacks, Hispanics, Germans, Kenyans, Filipinos. All have played a role in developing our nation.

  349. nebulafox says:
    @Corvinus

    >I see your latency stage and raise you the Oedipus Complex.

    ‘For my next bizarre non-sequitur, I will insert some Freudian psychobabble! That’ll make everybody forget my obsession with Vox Day!’

    Corvy, seriously, you need to get out and talk to somebody about those complex, enigmatic feelings you have about Vox Day. It’s nothing to be ashamed about. Certainly less shameful than believing that he’s the head of a vast right-wing conspiracy. Because that’s not scary feelings, that’s just being retarded.

    Wait a minute…

    >Perhaps you are the one who is on a high horse. Is that your hobby?

    My hobbies, Corvy, are C++ and mountain climbing. Yours, apparently, is pushing universalistic boilerplate.

    I’m asking for a friend: why do you insist that it is a good thing that humans all think the same things and believe the same things? Why can’t different societies value different things?

    >Hyperbole.

    Corvy, as recently as 1990, America’s population was around 250 million. We’ve gone to about 325 million today. That’s almost all immigration fuelled: and not even counting those in the country illegally. You do the math, and combine it with an economy that is producing less jobs in general, especially on the lower rungs, with the rise of mass automation.

    >Yet, it appears you are of the mindset that non-Europeans are less skilled in this regard.

    No, Corvy, I’m not of *your* pernicious mindset that all non-Europeans are ‘less skilled in this regard’. If I believed that, I certainly wouldn’t be in a relationship with one, or spending my life halfway around the globe! But I’m the sort of bastard who thinks that most people, regardless of race, aren’t very deep thinkers! I think my posting history stands for itself there, along with my relationships in real life. I also notice there are… well, differences, between cultures. Know what I mean?

    See: real life! You ought to try it sometime. Jesus wouldn’t damn you for it. I’m sure of it.

    >All behavior is heritable, not that it is “entirely” or even “mostly” genetically deterministic.

    Which I didn’t claim, Corvy. I merely stated that the blank-slate theory of the kind that you and your ilk embrace as pseudo-religion is doomed. This is going to have consequences for us going forward as a society. And, of course, if we don’t end up pursuing this research, the Chinese-who, as a culture, hold absolutely none of the inhibitions of the West toward genetics research, of that I can assure you-will. They already are.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  350. Corvinus says:
    @nebulafox

    “Corvy, seriously, you need to get out and talk to somebody about those complex, enigmatic feelings you have about Vox Day.”

    I’m merely pointing out for all the fine posters here who say they are “Heritage Americans” or “Legacy Americans” that they are sadly mistaken. Trigger much?

    “I’m asking for a friend: why do you insist that it is a good thing that humans all think the same things and believe the same things?”

    Tell your friend that I never made this claim directly or indirectly.

    “No, Corvy, I’m not of *your* pernicious mindset that all non-Europeans are ‘less skilled in this regard’. If I believed that, I certainly wouldn’t be in a relationship with one, or spending my life halfway around the globe!”

    Then, I believe as the Alt Right calls it, you are a cuck.

    “I merely stated that the blank-slate theory of the kind that you and your ilk embrace as pseudo-religion is doomed. This is going to have consequences for us going forward as a society.”

    Except I am not a blank-slate theorist, nor is it necessarily “doomed”. It MAY have consequences. Time will tell.

    “And, of course, if we don’t end up pursuing this research, the Chinese-who, as a culture, hold absolutely none of the inhibitions of the West toward genetics research, of that I can assure you-will.”

    So, if others are jumping off the cliff and risking life and limb, would you? There is something called bio-ethics. Read up on that topic sometime.

  351. @CAL2

    The way I’ve heard the story, Beale basically asked Torba to break the law for him, demanding that Torba reveal to him the personal information of several Gab users who were deriding Beale as a “pedophile” which suggests that they were mockingly taking up Beale’s own advice to his followers:

    How do you respond to someone that calls you a racist or other shaming word?

    Call them a pedophile. Or a Satanist. Or something worse than a racist.

    For the Nth time, it’s NOT about making any fucking sense. How many times do I need to tell you this?

    I do not understand those who hear someone babbling nonsense, then think responding by talking sense to them is somehow going to be relevant in any regard.

    “But they’re not a pedophile!”

    So the fuck what? You’re not a racist.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/throw-out-oed.html#c811805376896174815

  352. @OP

    I’ve been following his blog for about the same amount of time, but I stopped visiting regularly after his bizarre fixation on Jordan Peterson started accounting for a greater and greater percentage of his output (to the point now where he’s actually hawking a book indulging his obsession at length).

  353. Ragno says:
    @Jake

    The world has long since forgiven Julius Caesar. Nobody today finds Socrates or Cicero irritating. Few of us resent Alexander the Great or his tutor, Aristotle.

    No, only one man in the ancient world is still hated after two millennia: Jesus Christ.

    Of course the hatred of Christ usually pretends to be directed at side targets: St. Paul, the “institutional” Church, or, more vaguely, “organized religion” (as if religion would be all right if only it were a solitary activity). The cliché of the Christ-haters, including many “liberal” theologians, is that he was a “great moral teacher” who “never claimed divinity,” but that his “simple message of love” was “corrupted” by his followers.

    But why would anyone want a man crucified for preaching an innocuous message of benevolence?

    Joseph Sobran, Dec 1999

  354. Ragno says:
    @Thresher

    In short: Vox hates America because Uncle Sam put his daddy in prison.

    Sounds perfectly understandable to me.

  355. @dfordoom

    I don’t agree. The liberal insanity that threatens the West comes from within western civilisation. It comes from flaws within our own civilisation. The West was already embracing nihilism and degeneracy long before immigration became an issue.

    The problem is us. The post-Enlightenment version of western civilisation was a seriously bad idea right from the start. It was the poisonous anti-Christian ideology of the Enlightenment that started the rot.

    And the Enlightenment was the result of non-Christian influence.

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