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From The Times of London:

Italy plots ‘nuclear option’ to send migrants north
Tom Kington, Rome
July 15 2017, 12:01am,

Senior Italian government figures have threatened to allow 200,000 migrants who have reached its shores to travel across Europe by exploiting a little-known Brussels directive as the country struggles to cope with a huge rise in refugees fleeing north Africa.

A minister and a senator are plotting to issue migrants with temporary EU visas in a move that has been described as a “nuclear option” for solving Italy’s refugee crisis.

Paolo Gentiloni, the prime minister, is livid that the rest of Europe has refused to take its fair share of migrants …

You might think that Continental solidarity in the defense of Europe from invasion would be respectable, but continentalism is now racist, so European solidarity is cracking up.

 
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  1. The problem with Europe is one of identity. That has to be solved as much as putting up fences. It is odd though that in our age of moral relativism the only thing that experts can agree upon is that racism is at the core of all evils. Jared Taylor wrote about this in his Amren article. Even Douglas Murray falls prey to this.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Link to the Jared Taylor article? I'm interested in reading it.
    , @Frau Katze
    Sounds like even the Swedes are losing their illusions, though the elite chugs on.

    Sweden is now getting large doses of culture. In 2015, the direct costs of migrants (50.4 billion kroner or 5.8 billion USD) were greater than the Swedish defense budget (48 billion kroner or 5.5 billion USD).

    Swedes are determined to like their new country. In 1993, when the Swedish paper Expressen reported a poll that found 63 percent of Swedes wanted immigrants to go back home, the paper’s owners fired the editor. But in the wake of the huge, 2015 influx of “refugees,” even Sweden said it would start checking papers at the borders. When Deputy Prime Minister Asa Romsen made this announcement, she broke down in tears. The next year, the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, was still claiming that “borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians.”
     

    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/07/the-strange-death-of-europe-migrant-crisis-islam-terrorism/
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  2. I actually think it would be great if that happened, preferably before the German elections in September…the faster the situation escalates, the better! But probably unlikely…Merkel will make some rotten deal, take some of the “refugees” in Italy and continue her attempts to bully other countries into doing the same.

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  3. The Italian plan would be ideal if they could transfer the migrants to the same neighborhoods as J-C Juncker, Barbara Roche, Cologne mayor Henriette Reker & Anetta Kahane. Those folks have been crying out for a full immersion in diversity for some time. Time has come to fully quench their thirst.

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  4. Why not revert to the traditional role of National Navies and sink the invaders at sea?

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    France, Spain, and Italy only have four aircraft carriers and a couple dozen submarines between them. You really can't expect them to confront rusty freighters and rubber rafts with that paltry arsenal.
    , @Z-man

    Why not revert to the traditional role of National Navies and sink the invaders at sea?
     
    My dream Bill is that a rogue pilot in the Italian AF or a rogue captain of an Italian warship has an 'epiphany' and goes on a rampage, and sinks several ships loaded with those vermin and some of those shit lib rescuers also. Maybe it can be a combined operation, naval and air...(Sly grin)
    I would be the first to contribute to the defense fund for these rogues (heroes), hell I'd volunteer to be on the warship!
  5. syonredux says:

    A minister and a senator are plotting to issue migrants with temporary EU visas in a move that has been described as a “nuclear option” for solving Italy’s refugee crisis.

    Of course, there is another option: ship ‘em back to Africa……

    You could call it the “thermonuclear option”…..

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    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Anonym
    Of course, there is another option: ship ‘em back to Africa……

    You could call it the “thermonuclear option”…..

    I always liked the neutron bomb option myself, but that's something best exercised in Africa. Uhhh... figuratively of course. Yeah.

  6. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/yanis-varoufakis-franco-berardi/resignation-letter-from-franco-bifo-berardi-to-ya

    The writer, media theorist and activist wrote to say “I am no longer a European given Europe’s daily crimes” & “thus I resign from DiEM25”. Read his letter, and Yanis Varoufakis’ reply.

    Franco ‘Bifo’ Berardi:

    … Democratic Europe is an oxymoron, as Europe is the heart of financial dictatorship in the world. Peaceful Europe is an oxymoron, as Europe is the core of war, racism and aggressiveness. We have trusted that Europe could overcome its history of violence, but now it’s time to acknowledge the truth: Europe is nothing but nationalism, colonialism, capitalism and fascism.

    … During the Second World War not many protested against deportation, segregation, torture and extermination of Jews, Roma, communist militants and homosexuals. People had no information about the extermination.

    Now we are daily acquainted about what is happening all around the Mediterranean basin, we know how deadly is the effect of European neglect and of the refusal to take responsibility for the migration wave that is a direct result of the wars provoked by two centuries of colonialism.

    … Auschwitz on the beach.

    … Therefore, I declare that I’m not European any more. And I declare that I have never been European.

    Varis Varoufakis:

    Hannah Arendt once said that as long as one German died at Auschwitz because of her or his opposition to Nazism, the Germans are not responsible collectively for Nazism.

    Your letter to us, renouncing the horrors perpetrated in Europe’s name and resigning from our Democracy in Europe Movement (DiEM25) in protest, offers Europeans the same kind of possibility of redemption that Arendt’s ‘single-German-dying-in-Auschwitz’ offered the people of Germany.

    … Europeans who, nevertheless, realise that to shed their ‘European’ label in disgust at what Europe is doing to its citizens and to the citizens of the rest of the world requires also declaring that they are no longer Italian, French, British, Greek, Italian… since it is the nation-states of Europe that perpetrate, in the first instance, the scandalous policies that you so powerfully, and rightly, denounce.
    Europeans who, mad as we are at Europe’s crimes, understand that renouncing Europe but not Italy, France, Greece, Germany, Britain etc. only plays into the hands of those propagating the fantasy of returning to the bosom of our benevolent nation-states; a fantasy that I know you abhor and one that DiEM25 is railing against.
    Europeans who, enraged by what is being perpetrated in their name, are determined to demonstrate that the only way of being good citizens of the world is to be IN and AGAINST this.

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  7. El Dato says:

    Send them to Luxembourg! This will increase the country’s population by 30% in one go!

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  8. Tom-in-VA says:

    https://theindianeconomist.com/italy-austria-border-row-eus-struggle-clear-migration-policy/

    The Austrian government deployed a battalion of troops and some armored vehicles to the Brenner Pass on July 4th to keep the migrants from moving north. If the Italian government gives the migrants visas, the Austrians will either have to let them through, or withdraw from Schengen. I’m hoping for the latter, personally.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    The cheap option for Austria would be to give them all tickets to London, which would have YUGE Brexit implications (currently HMG's position is that all who come to the UK pre-Brexit can stay).
  9. Anonym says:

    Italy, take heed of Matthew 7.5.

    Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    And after that, cast out the Africans from your own country.

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  10. Sid says:

    It’s rich for Italy to complain about “fair share.” Their navy is actively picking up and landing migrants on their territories. They’re the ones taking in the migrants – heck, for all her blunders, Merkel at least has tried to set up deals with Erdogan so there won’t be so many migrants in Europe to begin with.

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    "Do as I say, not as I do"

    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/g7-leaders-ban-migrant-boats-from-where-they-are-meeting/
  11. Selvar says:

    I honestly believe that it will take the fall of a major Western European state, such as France or Sweden, to Syrian levels of social calamity before there is even a chance of elites waking up. So which Western European state do y’all think will be the first to implode due to mass immigration? My bet is on Sweden, personally. On the other hand, Italy is closer to the action, so I could be wrong.

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    • Replies: @Tim Howells
    As always Sweden is an interesting case. The Swedes stuck religiously with their open border rhetoric for about a week after Merkel opened the floodgates. Then even high government ministers started sounding the alarm that the government would collapse within a few months trying to deal with the influx. Then they instituted border controls, which previously had been completely unthinkable except by a few despised neo-Nazi genocidal freaks. Then the Swedes effortlessly transitioned from an ideal of completely unregulated immigration to the ideal that absolutely as many non-White immigrants should be allowed in as possible without collapsing Swedish society until we're safely retired and out of the country.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    " it will take the fall of a major Western European state, such as France or Sweden, to Syrian levels of social calamity before there is even a chance of elites waking up"

    Do you still think elites are on "our side" and just naive? This is deliberate.

    (If the Italians did this I imagine the vast majority of boat people would head for the UK, which would certainly present the British Government with some stark choices.)

    PS - I think the Italian Navy have now stopped their taxi service.

    , @Forbes
    According to a life-long friend who lives in Tuscany, Italy is lost. There's insufficient police/criminal justice/jail capacity for all the miscreants, and the social welfare burden is hopeless. Government, such as it is, at all levels is overwhelmed.
  12. BenKenobi says:

    Some Hank Scorpio type should establish a kebab-removal PMC. Run a pilot program in one country, then release the lobbyists. Profit!

    Globex Corportation: We bring you home safely.

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  13. KM32 says:

    Before you bring out the nukes, you might try the BB gun option, which is to stop towing them across the Mediterranean in the first place.

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    • Agree: AndrewR
    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @El Dato
    ‘Defend Europe’: Far-right activists launch mission to rescue, send back illegals from Libya

    Far-right activists from the Identitarian movement have charted a ship to fight illegal migration off the Libyan coast and to expose what they describe as alleged collaboration between European NGOs operating in the area and human traffickers.

    ....

    The activists also pledged support to the Libyan Coast Guard by saying that their vessel could serve as a “recon ship.”

    The Identitarians also branded their initiative as a “search and rescue mission” and said that if they get a SOS signal they will “of course save the people in distress - and hand them over to the Libyan Coast Guard to make sure that they are brought to the closest harbour, according to international law.”

    ....

    The initiative has already provoked concerns among some NGOs engaged in sea rescue operations, and they have said that the arrival of the vessel charted by the Identitarians could disrupt their operations. The French authorities also criticized the move as a “provocation” and a “hindrance” to relief efforts, French media report, adding that the issue was already referred to a court.
     
  14. Barnard says:

    Why not send them south, back to Libya, which would discourage others from following them?

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  15. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Italy has trouble with solidarity at the regional and national levels on this issue. Continental solidarity would be even more challenging.

    ” Italy’s Mafia learns to profit from the migration crisis ”

    https://www.ft.com/content/0d0371d0-31f4-11e5-8873-775ba7c2ea3d

    Those funds have proven irresistible to the Mafia, according to Italian prosecutors and watchdog groups, who say criminal groups have succeeded at rigging the awarding of the contracts for the management of migrant reception centres in several high-profile cases.

    “This is a very widespread problem. Welcoming migrants has become a big business,” says Gabriella Stramaccioni, who is charge of social policy at Libera, an anti-Mafia organisation. “We believe many centres are involved, in several cities,” she adds.

    In one intercepted phone call released by Italian police last year, Salvatore Buzzi, a leftwing social activist who served time in jail for murder in the 1980s, remarked: “Do you have any idea how much I earn on immigrants? Drugs are less profitable.” Mr Buzzi, who was arrested, denies any wrongdoing.

    According to Italian officials, the criminal enterprise that has come to dominate the business of lodging asylum seekers is a group based in Rome — known as Mafia Capitale — that has made public corruption one of its main sources of revenue.

    The Roman organisation was unearthed by Italian prosecutors last December. Its top brass allegedly colluded with local politicians and government officials to have the migrant centres run by “co-operatives”, or charity groups, that could serve their interests. Mr Buzzi is alleged to have had close ties to such groups.

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  16. The Italian Left is putting on a big, lying show, just for the duped Italian electorate. Meanwhile, the Left is currently trying to force a citizenship bill through the Right-controlled Senate which would grant citizenship to all illegal aliens who have been resident in Italy for a period of at least 5 years. Next year, the Left will probably find themselves on the outs in Italy’s Chamber of Deputies, which they have dominated since 2013. Italian opinion polls show the Left far behind and sure to lose next year. When it comes to Third-World immigration, Western Lefty political parties see only easy votes, not general and long lasting societal degradation.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Why do you think brexit happened?

    As far as the EU goes, an 'Italian' citizen is a 'British' citizen is a 'German' citizen etc etc.....
    , @ben tillman

    When it comes to Third-World immigration, Western Lefty political parties see only easy votes, not general and long lasting societal degradation.
     
    How do you know that?
  17. Anonym says:
    @syonredux

    A minister and a senator are plotting to issue migrants with temporary EU visas in a move that has been described as a “nuclear option” for solving Italy’s refugee crisis.
     
    Of course, there is another option: ship 'em back to Africa......


    You could call it the "thermonuclear option".....

    Of course, there is another option: ship ‘em back to Africa……

    You could call it the “thermonuclear option”…..

    I always liked the neutron bomb option myself, but that’s something best exercised in Africa. Uhhh… figuratively of course. Yeah.

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  18. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Why isn’t this considered worse than “racism”?

    “…a leftwing social activist… remarked: “Do you have any idea how much I earn on immigrants? Drugs are less profitable.”…

    …colluded with… charity groups…”

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  19. Altai says:

    Most of the West Africans desire to head to France or the UK (Generous but not the most generous welfare states but they have the biggest diaspora populations), 200,000 is a big whack for one or two countries to take all at once in the major urban centres. They also tend to have either French or English.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Right now, a sudden influx of 200,000 Africans in Sweden would really have the same effect as a couple of nukes.
    It would be the final nail in the coffin for a dying, exhausted, chaotic Sweden.
    , @Patrick Harris
    The French are tougher on migrants than the British, assuming they can get to the UK. Hence the "Jungle" at Calais.
    , @Expletive Deleted

    They also tend to have either French or English.
     
    ... in their own opinion, that is.

    Usually it's only slightly more difficult to converse with them than it would be when one was negotiating the purchase of horse-sausage from a Mongolian nomad.
  20. JerryC says:

    It’s no invasion, those migrants are there at the invitation of Europe’s rulers.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    There's a long world history of Ruler A inviting in a wave of B-people to battle his internal Political Enemies C, and then B becoming even more of a nuisance to A than C ever was.
    , @ben tillman

    It’s no invasion, those migrants are there at the invitation of Europe’s rulers.
     
    It's an invasion of European nations orchestrated by the rulers of those nations.
  21. Rod1963 says:

    The fact is, Italy is the problem. They keep rescuing them and bringing them in. Now they don’t like it now because they’re choking on these savages.

    All they need to do is send them back to Libya, do that a couple dozen times and the flow stops.

    They won’t, they want to fob off their innate gutlessness onto other parties. Screw’em.

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  22. mobi says:

    A re-birth of the Europe concept, in continentalist form – Europe 2.0 – has real potential. It may well prove to be essential, and the UK may even return to it one day.

    Its current form may be too irretrievably cucked, though, and probably needs to collapse outright before any such re-birth can take root.

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  23. anon says: • Disclaimer

    They changed the rules on Italy. There was going to be a bag holder and Italy has figured it out. Figured out that they are it.

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  24. AM says:

    The problem with Europe is one of identity. That has to be solved as much as putting up fences. It is odd though that in our age of moral relativism the only thing that experts can agree upon is that racism is at the core of all evils.

    When you strip people of their identity, their religion, and their understanding that morals are objective, they still want and understand all those things anyway. Even atheists assume objective morality when they have discussions where they are adamant it’s just all perception.

    (Side note: I’m pretty sure I had Scott Adams block me on Twitter for politely engaging his followers once or twice on the subject of objective morality.)

    So, anyway, they replace those critical concepts with objectively simpler and easier values than Christianity. Okay, maybe I slept around, and look there’s a bunch of homosexuals/low rent feminists that I can’t even argue with because I have set my bar pretty low on the shagging front, but darn it, there’s got to be a way to be a “good” person.

    So what was the very last battle before we lost the plot on Christianity entirely? The Civil Rights Movement, which if you listen carefully is the warm, fuzzy and basically impossible part of Christianity for humans of a non-supernatual variety. (How does a border guard judge someone by the “content of their character”, rather than their documentation?)

    Poof! Instant religion (All Hail to “The Same”), identity (“Not a racist”) and objective morality (Racism=bad) and it’s easy. It turns out in practice it’s not so much, but certainly easier to understand than Christianity, especially in an era where nobody can be bothered to teach much of it.

    For Christians who are not absolutely soaked in it’s theological roots, the MLK Jr call sounds so…Christian, because it is a part of it. Thus they get swept away in the secular identity and double down on that as public morality. Christians, unfortunately, re-enforce it because in part it makes their Christianity easier to understand and “do” too. Or so they think. It’s not correct, but it sounds it and that’s the hazard.

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    • Replies: @anarchyst
    The “beginning of the end” of Christianity was sealed with the infiltration of the Catholic Church “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” of the 1960s by Jews and Protestants.
    Much Catholic ritual was discarded, as well as the promotion of absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ which exists to this day. The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) do do their "dirty work" for them...
    Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its “universality”. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand the meaning of the Mass.
    Prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass (except by special ecclesiastical permission) pushed many Catholics away from the new “Modern Mass” and the New Church, in general…It took a brave Cardinal Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X to “push back" against Vatican II and re-legitimize the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass and other Catholic rites.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest (celebrant of the Mass) was considered to be a part of the congregation, and a representative of the people.
    By turning the priest around to face the congregation, the priest was no longer a representative, but an “actor”, diminishing his status and importance.
    One area where the Catholic Church could improve itself involves celibacy, which is NOT Church “dogma” or doctrine. Celibacy was put in place during the middle ages in order to keep Church property from being inherited by family and relatives of priests and bishops. Celibacy was based on purely financial considerations–nothing more. It is interesting to note that Episcopal (Anglican) priests who convert to Catholicism can bring their families with them to the Church while Roman Catholic priests are denied marriage.
    It was a grave mistake by the Church to de-legitimize celebration of pre-Vatican II principles.
    , @NC
    Christian virtues are tied together and moderated by the faith as a whole. When post Christians take reason, justice , charity or any of the Christian virtues and try to make a secular religion of it, it becomes a horror. This is what we've been living for the past two centuries. It's as though the limbs are thrashing about causing havoc after the head has been decapitated. It can't continue. Ultimately it must be as Belloc said, that "Europe will return to the Faith, or she will perish. The Faith is Europe. And Europe is the Faith."
    , @EriK

    (Side note: I’m pretty sure I had Scott Adams block me on Twitter for politely engaging his followers once or twice on the subject of objective morality.)
     
    Perhaps he blocks at whim.
  25. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Italy should save a few thousand migrants for the Vatican.

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    The Pope is like George Clooney--absolute hypocrite.

    Ship the refugees to the Vatican.

    Make the Pope live up to his philosophy.
    , @Patrick Harris
    That piece was some of the most ill-informed and tendentious dreck I've seen in a while, full of circa-2004 theocracy panic clichés and ludicrous guilt-by-unfounded-association maneuvers. I say this as someone who is not uncritical of culture war politics. If I were Catholic, I would be embarassed.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Dave, The Vatican doesn't seem to be welcoming any immigrants or refugee, plenty of room for souvenir buying tourists though.
    , @AnotherDad
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it ...

    for the sake of the Church and--more importantly to me--the survival of the West, some patriot in the Vatican needs to find a way to bring this papacy to an end. BAMN.

  26. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    Italy should save a few thousand migrants for the Vatican.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/886343642188836865

    The Pope is like George Clooney–absolute hypocrite.

    Ship the refugees to the Vatican.

    Make the Pope live up to his philosophy.

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  27. I didn’t realize that Italy didn’t have a navy. I mean, if they had a navy, they could stop all of the refugees and thus would eliminate this problem.

    Weird.

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  28. @Dave Pinsen
    Italy should save a few thousand migrants for the Vatican.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/886343642188836865

    That piece was some of the most ill-informed and tendentious dreck I’ve seen in a while, full of circa-2004 theocracy panic clichés and ludicrous guilt-by-unfounded-association maneuvers. I say this as someone who is not uncritical of culture war politics. If I were Catholic, I would be embarassed.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Why would I be embarrassed?

    Its not like Francis is Catholic.
  29. @Dave Pinsen
    Italy should save a few thousand migrants for the Vatican.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/886343642188836865

    Dave, The Vatican doesn’t seem to be welcoming any immigrants or refugee, plenty of room for souvenir buying tourists though.

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  30. @Dave Pinsen
    Italy should save a few thousand migrants for the Vatican.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/886343642188836865

    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it …

    for the sake of the Church and–more importantly to me–the survival of the West, some patriot in the Vatican needs to find a way to bring this papacy to an end. BAMN.

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    • Replies: @AM

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it …
     
    We need you back. This is about ready to turn into a fight between the faithful laity and the rotted out RC Bishops, much like it did in the 4th and 5th centuries. We need anyone who knows their stuff who can even vaguely attempt to keep the Bishops that Pope Francis will select inline. The stock of Bishops, which is hideously bad right now, is going to get worse for at least a decade or longer.

    We go to Mass weekly but do not give to the Bishops fund nor to any other Catholic charity. We give a pittance to keep the local church operating. Our youngest will not be attending Catholic school. Suffering through the empty Homilies is something I can manage, given Christ's sacrifice.

    If the survival of the West is important to you, then this has to be personal. It's time to stop pining about the decay of the West and hoping someone else will do something. The institutional Church is about to fall into rubble. (Good riddance to bad rubbish, at this point.) We need be ready to rebuild. Those standing in place can take it back.
    , @Matra
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    I don't see much of a difference between Francis and all the other Popes of my lifetime, especially on the most important issue facing Europe: race replacement through immigration. Polish John Paul II was always called a conservative yet was there really any difference between him and Francis on immigration? All this "Francis is not a real Pope" stuff is starting to remind me of the cuckservative "if only the Pope knew" nonsense from the early 90s.
    , @Rod1963
    Deposing Bergoglio won't change anything. The people who elect the Pope are the problem.

    Look they forcibly retired Ratzinger which is unheard of to install this half literate Liberation Theology cretin who dares to intervene in a American presidental election and publicly scold Trump because he wasn't obeying Bergoglio's agenda.

    Even now his minions are attacking Steve Bannon as evil incarnate.

    Bergoglio's Marxist roots are really coming out now.

    JPII never did that nor did Ratzinger.

    Nor did they place Muslims ahead of Christians like this loon has.
    , @Kylie
    The minute I learned this joker was from South America, my heart sank. But he's even worse than I thought he would be.
    , @Brutusale
    You speak for me. Exactly the same situation, though I'm the son of a devout father who left the Church when they turned the altar around and stopped saying Mass in Latin.

    It'll be interesting to see if Pope Commie I causes more upheaval in the Church than Vatican II.
    , @NC
    There's nothing more boring than the "I used to be a Catholic, but.." people who are too good be Catholic or too Catholic to be Catholic anymore and want to talk about it. When the person wants to explain Catholicism to the Catholics because they went to a prep school that had a Jesuit, that's even worse. If you were a Muslim you'd probably be beheaded or thrown of a building for being an infidel, but instead you are just a bore boring Catholics with stories about your ex-Catholicism.

    As it is you are nothing but an apostate and weak link in a 2,000 year chain. If you will not pick up your cross and fight the fight with the rest of us, what good are you? When your culture is death and all ideologies lead to hell by way of nihilism, that is all that there is for any of us.
  31. Perhaps instead of dumping the problem on other Europeans, the Italians should consider a “conventional option”:

    Having their reasonably equiped navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Italian_Navy_ships
    actually defend Italy!

    – Intercept the migrant boats off the Libyan coast
    – Tow them back to shore, or near shore and disembark the migrants
    – Detain the crew and captains on board
    – Tow the boats out to sea, fire upon and sink them (with the captain/crew on board).

    This would quickly drive up cost of boats and crew (raise the supply curve) and drive down the number migrants (drive down the demand curve) and ergo quickly would cut off this method of attempted invasion.

    Free bonus: Europeans–the regular folks–would applaud Italians as being real men, stand-up guys, Euro-heroes rather than hating them for being dump-em-on-us weasles.

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    If Italy tried what you suggest the EU and liberals would destroy Italy the way liberals destroyed S. Africa.

    Since Italy can't defend itself against the Muslim African invasion the best thing would be to dump the animals on the country that controls the EU, Germany.
    Charter the biggest passenger planes in existence and land the invaders in Muslim & African loving. Sweden, Germany and the U.K.

    The entire invasion was orchestrated by Soros, Sweden and Germany. Let Germany and Sweden take care of their beloved nuslins&africans.
    Italy has defied Germany and the EU by refusing to allow any NGO charitable organization boats to enter Italian ports. Hopefully those boats will sail north to the Baltic and dump the trash in Germany and Sweden
    , @Anonymous
    Only problem is that the EU will instigate ECJ and ECHR prosecutions against the Italian government.

    The only way out is for the Italians to declare their independence and sovereignty - which they *ABSOLUTELY* will not do.
  32. The real nuclear option will be to stop the boats at sea. This is how Australia stopped people coming from Indonesia to Christmas Island.

    To avoid being called brutal, they invested in unsinkable lifeboats (they look like mini submarines).

    After applying this technique consistently, the whole thing dried up. The people smugglers stopped get customers.

    Mind you, it is easier to get to Europe than to Australia. But sending them back should be tried.

    The Aussies resorted to the unsinkable lifeboats as the invaders threatened to scuttle their boats. They knew the Aussies wouldn’t just watch them drown.

    Finally, the invaders were not from Indonesia. They were from all over. Indonesia was just the place to launch, very much as sub Saharan Africans see Libya.

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    • Replies: @George
    Austraila looks to be sending refugees to US.

    Government says refugee deal still on despite doubts after US officials leave Nauru

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-says-refugee-deal-still-on-despite-doubts-after-us-officials-leave-nauru-20170716-gxc3um.html
    , @songbird
    Strategically, it is probably best to do something like you say.

    But what is so frustrating about it is that they don't even need a Navy or Coast Guard. Put the people in camps, and give them cold oatmeal, lima beans, and cold water. Hold them for a mandatory two weeks, with no television or internet. At the end of that period, give them a free phone call back home (to tell them how crappy Europe is) and a ticket there as well. This would stop 95% of them, within one year.
    , @Expletive Deleted

    To avoid being called brutal, they invested in unsinkable lifeboats (they look like mini submarines).
     
    Rather than lifeboats, which are at least in theory navigable to some extent, I propose large hollow concrete rafts a bit like large Mulberrys, anchored from below to the sea bottom by thick chain or cable from the centre. Place them just outside the (notional) Libyan territorial limit. Put the reffos on them and sink the boats. The "charities" can supply them with grog and vittles for as long as they care to. As well as deckchairs and parasols.
  33. @epochehusserl
    The problem with Europe is one of identity. That has to be solved as much as putting up fences. It is odd though that in our age of moral relativism the only thing that experts can agree upon is that racism is at the core of all evils. Jared Taylor wrote about this in his Amren article. Even Douglas Murray falls prey to this.

    Link to the Jared Taylor article? I’m interested in reading it.

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    • Replies: @ANON
    Ever heard of Google?
    , @epochehusserl
    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/07/the-strange-death-of-europe-migrant-crisis-islam-terrorism/

    here are some excerpts for those not inclined to read the whole article:

    Mr. Murray sees what is at stake; migration is as ruthless as war. And yet he cannot bring himself to recommend decisive action. He makes a few flaccid suggestions, but seems to think that oblivion is better than anything that could be called “extremism.” Once or twice, he hints that survival might require distasteful means, but he would never stoop to anything illiberal.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Occasionally, Mr. Murray hints that Europe might—someday—take off the gloves: “[I]t is not inevitable that Europeans will forever be persuaded of our historical and hereditary iniquity, so it is possible that we might eventually say that racial politics cannot be for everyone else but not for us.” But those of us who say this now are “rancid.” Likewise, “Is it possible that at some point there will come a moment when young people who have done nothing wrong themselves say “enough” with this guilt?”
  34. There are really only two ways this migrant crisis can end: either Europe lets in pretty much everyone from Africa/the Middle East who wants to come in, or almost no one who does. In the absence of either route, which for the time seems likely, there will simply be no end to waves of, mostly young male, third worlders crashing on European shores, half-heartedly held back by flustered Europeans.

    Incidentally, Steve are you planning to write anything about Douglas Murray’s new book? I think I speak for many iSteve readers in saying that I’d like to hear your thoughts about it.

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  35. Whiskey says: • Website

    Camp of the Saints, here they come. Aided by the Pope, Nice White Ladies, and the uber masculine he-man like … Macron. What? What is more masculine than marrying a granny at age 18?

    My guess, is that all of Europe gets these immigrants, and Macron will gladly take in a. few more ten million or so; with a question of what Western Europe will do to force Eastern Europe to take millions and tens of millions? Will that be enough to return them to Russia’s fold?

    It would take a super-genius to make the Poles pro-Russians, and Merkel is just the woman for the job.

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  36. syonredux says:

    Afghan “Refugees” and Rape:

    This brings us to a third, more compelling and quite disturbing theory—the one that my Afghan friend, the court translator, puts forward. On the basis of his hundreds of interactions with these young men in his professional capacity over the past several years, he believes to have discovered that they are motivated by a deep and abiding contempt for Western civilization. To them, Europeans are the enemy, and their women are legitimate spoils, as are all the other things one can take from them: housing, money, passports. Their laws don’t matter, their culture is uninteresting and, ultimately, their civilization is going to fall anyway to the horde of which one is the spearhead. No need to assimilate, or work hard, or try to build a decent life here for yourself—these Europeans are too soft to seriously punish you for a transgression, and their days are numbered.

    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506?page=show

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    • Agree: Kevin C.
    • Replies: @Rod1963
    It's not surprising in the least. Why should the Muzzies show respect when the European peoples roll over like whipped dogs instead of standing up to them?

    In any human society such self abasement is seen as cowardice and only worthy of contempt and even death.
    , @NC
    Enough about the "poor" women. I've seen too many pictures of cute euro girls holding "refugees welcome" signs over the last 2 years to think that they are bothered about being raped or sexually harassed. You're confusing a feature for a bug. I'd like to think it would flip things if 80% of these refugees were unaccompanied, single young women. That it'd be 2 girls for every guy and the euro girls walking around with swastikas and "refugees go home" boards. But euro men are so poisoned with feminism and soy that they probably wouldn't be able to take advantage of such a situation.
  37. The UN: “For all the political difficulties #migrants can cause, Europe needs more of them if it wants to avoid shrinking.”

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Link:

    www.twitter.com/UNmigration/status/885441674494828544
    , @Amasius
    Europe must avoid a situation like this at all costs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcovHHOCtpQ
    , @anonguy

    The UN: “For all the political difficulties #migrants can cause, Europe needs more of them if it wants to avoid shrinking.”
     
    And we all know shrinking is bad, so we never have to explain why shrinking is bad.
  38. syonredux says:

    Top UK university to swap portraits of bearded white scholars with wall of diversity

    King’s College London is to swap portraits of some of its founding fathers with a “wall of diversity” amid pressure from students, a dean says.

    The proposals were unveiled by Professor Patrick Leman, the Institute’s dean of education, who said that the faculty should not just be filled with “busts of 1920s bearded men” but rather more modern, diverse scholars so that the Institute feels less “alienating”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/14/top-uk-university-replaces-busts-portraits-bearded-white-scholars/

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Keith Mott, a systems engineer and direct descendant of Sir Frederick Mott, said that whilst he was not “offended” by the plans, he would caution against universities seeking to erase controversial parts of their history.

    “They will not be forgotten because their portrait is not there,” he added. “Where I do take issue is where places were founded on the slave trade, for example, and attempts are made to eradicate that history. I’m a great believer that if you don’t study your history you are bound to repeat it.”
     

    This One Weird Trick preserves the history of Europeans at their most dominant.
    , @g2k
    It's already pretty diverse:

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5122863,-0.1162022,3a,90y,164.3h,92.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7mOjx7VE4H8farTsNVXUOQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    What more do they want?
  39. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad
    Perhaps instead of dumping the problem on other Europeans, the Italians should consider a "conventional option":

    Having their reasonably equiped navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Italian_Navy_ships
    actually defend Italy!

    -- Intercept the migrant boats off the Libyan coast
    -- Tow them back to shore, or near shore and disembark the migrants
    -- Detain the crew and captains on board
    -- Tow the boats out to sea, fire upon and sink them (with the captain/crew on board).

    This would quickly drive up cost of boats and crew (raise the supply curve) and drive down the number migrants (drive down the demand curve) and ergo quickly would cut off this method of attempted invasion.

    Free bonus: Europeans--the regular folks--would applaud Italians as being real men, stand-up guys, Euro-heroes rather than hating them for being dump-em-on-us weasles.

    If Italy tried what you suggest the EU and liberals would destroy Italy the way liberals destroyed S. Africa.

    Since Italy can’t defend itself against the Muslim African invasion the best thing would be to dump the animals on the country that controls the EU, Germany.
    Charter the biggest passenger planes in existence and land the invaders in Muslim & African loving. Sweden, Germany and the U.K.

    The entire invasion was orchestrated by Soros, Sweden and Germany. Let Germany and Sweden take care of their beloved nuslins&africans.
    Italy has defied Germany and the EU by refusing to allow any NGO charitable organization boats to enter Italian ports. Hopefully those boats will sail north to the Baltic and dump the trash in Germany and Sweden

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    • Replies: @Fredrik
    Italy didn't start trying to stop the boat until they realized it's a risk the Africans actually stay...
  40. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @Frau Katze
    Link to the Jared Taylor article? I'm interested in reading it.

    Ever heard of Google?

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    He gave not a word of text from the article. What should I search for?

    Jared Taylor has written a lot. What a bizarre complaint.
  41. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Italy plots ‘nuclear option’ to send migrants north

    Italy turns Gaddafione.

    Well, if EU tells Italy to take them in, Italy’s going to say YOU TAKE EM.

    Game of hot potatoes.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    How To Initiate A Game Of Hot Potato
     
    Geez, so many friggin’ annoying rules for a simple playground game.

    I wouldn’t blame any kid for punting the ball over the wall and spinning around in a primal scream, clenched fists clotheslining classmates until hauled off to the office! YAARRRRR!!!

  42. AM says:
    @AnotherDad
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it ...

    for the sake of the Church and--more importantly to me--the survival of the West, some patriot in the Vatican needs to find a way to bring this papacy to an end. BAMN.

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it …

    We need you back. This is about ready to turn into a fight between the faithful laity and the rotted out RC Bishops, much like it did in the 4th and 5th centuries. We need anyone who knows their stuff who can even vaguely attempt to keep the Bishops that Pope Francis will select inline. The stock of Bishops, which is hideously bad right now, is going to get worse for at least a decade or longer.

    We go to Mass weekly but do not give to the Bishops fund nor to any other Catholic charity. We give a pittance to keep the local church operating. Our youngest will not be attending Catholic school. Suffering through the empty Homilies is something I can manage, given Christ’s sacrifice.

    If the survival of the West is important to you, then this has to be personal. It’s time to stop pining about the decay of the West and hoping someone else will do something. The institutional Church is about to fall into rubble. (Good riddance to bad rubbish, at this point.) We need be ready to rebuild. Those standing in place can take it back.

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  43. George says:
    @Frau Katze
    The real nuclear option will be to stop the boats at sea. This is how Australia stopped people coming from Indonesia to Christmas Island.

    To avoid being called brutal, they invested in unsinkable lifeboats (they look like mini submarines).

    After applying this technique consistently, the whole thing dried up. The people smugglers stopped get customers.

    Mind you, it is easier to get to Europe than to Australia. But sending them back should be tried.

    The Aussies resorted to the unsinkable lifeboats as the invaders threatened to scuttle their boats. They knew the Aussies wouldn't just watch them drown.

    Finally, the invaders were not from Indonesia. They were from all over. Indonesia was just the place to launch, very much as sub Saharan Africans see Libya.

    Austraila looks to be sending refugees to US.

    Government says refugee deal still on despite doubts after US officials leave Nauru

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-says-refugee-deal-still-on-despite-doubts-after-us-officials-leave-nauru-20170716-gxc3um.html

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    I'm not Australian btw, but I was following the stop the boats news carefully.

    So I'm not up on the latest. But I understood the deal with the US was some type of exchange of unwanted persons. I don't know much about. I'd have to consult my Aussie source.
  44. Matra says:
    @AnotherDad
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it ...

    for the sake of the Church and--more importantly to me--the survival of the West, some patriot in the Vatican needs to find a way to bring this papacy to an end. BAMN.

    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    I don’t see much of a difference between Francis and all the other Popes of my lifetime, especially on the most important issue facing Europe: race replacement through immigration. Polish John Paul II was always called a conservative yet was there really any difference between him and Francis on immigration? All this “Francis is not a real Pope” stuff is starting to remind me of the cuckservative “if only the Pope knew” nonsense from the early 90s.

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    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    AnotherDad,

    With regard to Jorge Bergoglio (his preferred title being Bishop of Rome as opposed to that of Pope):

    Will no one rid me this turbulent priest?
    , @Sid
    Pope Benedict XVI seemed to emerge largely to enforce doctrinaire orthodoxy in Europe*, but that never really came about and the Catholic Church has since gone all out on schmaltz and enabling the immivasion in North America and Europe.

    *I'm not Catholic or even Christian, but a hardline adherence to Catholic doctrine is relatively inoffensive to me. It's when Catholic leaders call for North America and Europe to have open borders that I resent their organization having a voice in our politics.
    , @Anonymous
    The anti-Francis conservatives seem to want Cardinal Sarah to become pope. An African pope for an African migrant crisis, all because he would condemn homosexuality and abortion as the true evils facing the West.

    But it is written in Scripture, in the book of the prophet Raspail, that the pope of the migrants would be a South American.

    , @Intelligent Dasein

    All this “Francis is not a real Pope” stuff is starting to remind me of the cuckservative “if only the Pope knew” nonsense from the early 90s.
     
    Francis is not a real pope. All of the popes since John XXIII (inclusive) have been antipopes and the Second Vatican Council was an anti-council. The Novus Ordo Missae is also an anti-mass.

    I don't think you know what "cuckservative" means. The people saying that Francis is not a real pope are the only fully un-cucked Catholics in existence.
  45. Rob McX says:

    Senior Italian government figures have threatened to allow 200,000 migrants who have reached its shores to travel across Europe by exploiting a little-known Brussels directive as the country struggles to cope with a huge rise in refugees fleeing north Africa.

    The problem they are “struggling to cope with” is entirely of their own making.

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  46. @Frau Katze
    Link to the Jared Taylor article? I'm interested in reading it.

    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/07/the-strange-death-of-europe-migrant-crisis-islam-terrorism/

    here are some excerpts for those not inclined to read the whole article:

    Mr. Murray sees what is at stake; migration is as ruthless as war. And yet he cannot bring himself to recommend decisive action. He makes a few flaccid suggestions, but seems to think that oblivion is better than anything that could be called “extremism.” Once or twice, he hints that survival might require distasteful means, but he would never stoop to anything illiberal.
    ——————————————————–
    Occasionally, Mr. Murray hints that Europe might—someday—take off the gloves: “[I]t is not inevitable that Europeans will forever be persuaded of our historical and hereditary iniquity, so it is possible that we might eventually say that racial politics cannot be for everyone else but not for us.” But those of us who say this now are “rancid.” Likewise, “Is it possible that at some point there will come a moment when young people who have done nothing wrong themselves say “enough” with this guilt?”

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Thank you very much.
    , @Z-man
    Mr. Murray sees what is at stake; migration is as ruthless as war. And yet he cannot bring himself to recommend decisive action. He makes a few flaccid suggestions, but seems to think that oblivion is better than anything that could be called “extremism.” Once or twice, he hints that survival might require distasteful means, but he would never stoop to anything illiberal.
    That's because the intelligentsia is owned and 'a-feared' of the internationalist Cabal.!
    , @Alec Leamas
    I think identifying the problem in clear terms is enough of a contribution for one man. That the man with the courage to do so is a homosexual ought to shame others.
  47. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux
    Top UK university to swap portraits of bearded white scholars with wall of diversity

    King’s College London is to swap portraits of some of its founding fathers with a "wall of diversity" amid pressure from students, a dean says.
     

    The proposals were unveiled by Professor Patrick Leman, the Institute’s dean of education, who said that the faculty should not just be filled with “busts of 1920s bearded men” but rather more modern, diverse scholars so that the Institute feels less “alienating”.
     
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/14/top-uk-university-replaces-busts-portraits-bearded-white-scholars/

    Keith Mott, a systems engineer and direct descendant of Sir Frederick Mott, said that whilst he was not “offended” by the plans, he would caution against universities seeking to erase controversial parts of their history.

    “They will not be forgotten because their portrait is not there,” he added. “Where I do take issue is where places were founded on the slave trade, for example, and attempts are made to eradicate that history. I’m a great believer that if you don’t study your history you are bound to repeat it.”

    This One Weird Trick preserves the history of Europeans at their most dominant.

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  48. Dan Hayes says:
    @Matra
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    I don't see much of a difference between Francis and all the other Popes of my lifetime, especially on the most important issue facing Europe: race replacement through immigration. Polish John Paul II was always called a conservative yet was there really any difference between him and Francis on immigration? All this "Francis is not a real Pope" stuff is starting to remind me of the cuckservative "if only the Pope knew" nonsense from the early 90s.

    AnotherDad,

    With regard to Jorge Bergoglio (his preferred title being Bishop of Rome as opposed to that of Pope):

    Will no one rid me this turbulent priest?

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  49. songbird says:
    @Frau Katze
    The real nuclear option will be to stop the boats at sea. This is how Australia stopped people coming from Indonesia to Christmas Island.

    To avoid being called brutal, they invested in unsinkable lifeboats (they look like mini submarines).

    After applying this technique consistently, the whole thing dried up. The people smugglers stopped get customers.

    Mind you, it is easier to get to Europe than to Australia. But sending them back should be tried.

    The Aussies resorted to the unsinkable lifeboats as the invaders threatened to scuttle their boats. They knew the Aussies wouldn't just watch them drown.

    Finally, the invaders were not from Indonesia. They were from all over. Indonesia was just the place to launch, very much as sub Saharan Africans see Libya.

    Strategically, it is probably best to do something like you say.

    But what is so frustrating about it is that they don’t even need a Navy or Coast Guard. Put the people in camps, and give them cold oatmeal, lima beans, and cold water. Hold them for a mandatory two weeks, with no television or internet. At the end of that period, give them a free phone call back home (to tell them how crappy Europe is) and a ticket there as well. This would stop 95% of them, within one year.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Australia has a bunch in camps too (before they started to crack down.)

    They're trying to get rid of them by paying countries like Cambodia to take them. Free tickets home are a standing offer.

    Most won't go back.
    , @AnotherDad

    Strategically, it is probably best to do something like you say.

    But what is so frustrating about it is that they don’t even need a Navy or Coast Guard. Put the people in camps, and give them cold oatmeal, lima beans, and cold water. Hold them for a mandatory two weeks, with no television or internet. At the end of that period, give them a free phone call back home (to tell them how crappy Europe is) and a ticket there as well. This would stop 95% of them, within one year.
     

    Disagree.

    In "theory", if you build camps and never let them out into European societies, that would work. However you'd have to build a lot of camps to house millions and millions. Because until it's absolutely clear that they will never get out, they'll keep coming. So it's much more expensive. But more importantly to keep them in the camp requires a Europe of real unwavering nationalist (or continentalist) will. Such a Europe does not yet exist--to say the least.

    In the real Europe, the slimy schyster NGO lawyers would be pawing away getting people in camps "freed" from "prison" that violates all sorts of the "human rights" much these same slimy schysters have dumped on us. The most fundamental "human right" of native populations to reject parasites and say "we don't to live with you" is the one right that doesn't exist.

    On the other hand the approach Frau Katze and I and others advocate--stopping the flow at sea (or at the border with Turkey)--actually can work now, before there's a full nationalist consensus. The border rules--passports and visas, the "safe country" refugee application requirement--are there. Human trafficking is illegal and nations have the right to stop it and arrest the perps. If you never let the invaders get into Europe (or America), then the slimy leftists can't impose them on the rest of us.

    In sum, nationalist oriented leaders can protect their nations, right now, at the border. It doesn't require all of Europe to become "woke"
    .

    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    give them a free phone call back home (to tell them how crappy Europe is) and a ticket there as well

     

    No. They stay until someone pays for the costs of transportation back, at inflated prices. Make the operation turn a profit.
  50. Sid says:
    @Matra
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    I don't see much of a difference between Francis and all the other Popes of my lifetime, especially on the most important issue facing Europe: race replacement through immigration. Polish John Paul II was always called a conservative yet was there really any difference between him and Francis on immigration? All this "Francis is not a real Pope" stuff is starting to remind me of the cuckservative "if only the Pope knew" nonsense from the early 90s.

    Pope Benedict XVI seemed to emerge largely to enforce doctrinaire orthodoxy in Europe*, but that never really came about and the Catholic Church has since gone all out on schmaltz and enabling the immivasion in North America and Europe.

    *I’m not Catholic or even Christian, but a hardline adherence to Catholic doctrine is relatively inoffensive to me. It’s when Catholic leaders call for North America and Europe to have open borders that I resent their organization having a voice in our politics.

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  51. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Americans don’t know that Italy is divided north/south, white/olive, rich/poor, soft/ballsy.

    The Italian government won’t stash a ton of refugees in Sicily because the Sicilians will take direct action against the politicians/bureaucrats who are responsible. KABOOM.

    So the soft white eloi in the north get a whole lot of refugees! And there is angry talk. But no action against the people behind the invasion.

    There’s a lesson here somewhere.

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    This is funny, though: the head of the national Department of Security and Migration of the Lega Nord (Americans: that means Northern League) uses the migration crisis to gripe about the national government: https://sputniknews.com/world/201707101055420387-italy-economic-war-migrants/

    http://www.rai.it/resizegd/640x-/dl/img/2014/10/1412187813007_medium_141001_172801_To01114Pol_0100.JPG

    That's him, Toni Iwobi, on the left, with Matteo Salvini.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/701638/milan-lega-nord-migrants-control-invasion-Matteo-Salvini

    Milan [Americans: a city in northern Italy] is now “totally controlled” by immigrants, the leader of the right-wing Lega Nord party claimed today.

    Matteo Salvini, the outspoken leader of the anti-migrant and anti-Euro group, said parts of Italy’s most populous city ware now “neither Italy nor Europe” - following what he called an “organised invasion”.
     

    , @El Dato

    The Italian government won’t stash a ton of refugees in Sicily because the Sicilians will take direct action against the politicians/bureaucrats who are responsible. KABOOM.
     
    But Silicy is not La Corse.

    AFAIK Sicily is governed by The Family and only nominally governmentally held territory. They will find a way to either politically nix or exploit local migration camps.
  52. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The solution is to take them back to Africa under armed guard, force them to get out on shore, and destroy their boat.

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  53. Rod1963 says:
    @AnotherDad
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it ...

    for the sake of the Church and--more importantly to me--the survival of the West, some patriot in the Vatican needs to find a way to bring this papacy to an end. BAMN.

    Deposing Bergoglio won’t change anything. The people who elect the Pope are the problem.

    Look they forcibly retired Ratzinger which is unheard of to install this half literate Liberation Theology cretin who dares to intervene in a American presidental election and publicly scold Trump because he wasn’t obeying Bergoglio’s agenda.

    Even now his minions are attacking Steve Bannon as evil incarnate.

    Bergoglio’s Marxist roots are really coming out now.

    JPII never did that nor did Ratzinger.

    Nor did they place Muslims ahead of Christians like this loon has.

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    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    JPII never did that nor did Ratzinger.

    Nor did they place Muslims ahead of Christians like this loon has.
     
    Perhaps you need to read Nostra Aetate. It's been official policy of the Church since the Second Vatican Council to "honor the Mohammedans," which in practice means showing them preference. Ratzinger prayed in mosques and synagogues in brazen acts of idolatry, and Wojtyla was a globetrotting witch doctor who never met a heathen cult he didn't embrace.

    The idea that JPII was some kind of conservative is one of the biggest orchestrated farces in modern history.
  54. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Of course there is the other option. Consider them criminals, clap them in irons and make them break rocks all day until they ask to go home. Hard labor has a way of changing the mind. Europe needs to bring back the hard labor option for punishing criminals of all types and races, because they’re allergic to work and it’s a suitable punishment if they hate it.

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  55. Rod1963 says:
    @syonredux
    Afghan "Refugees" and Rape:

    This brings us to a third, more compelling and quite disturbing theory—the one that my Afghan friend, the court translator, puts forward. On the basis of his hundreds of interactions with these young men in his professional capacity over the past several years, he believes to have discovered that they are motivated by a deep and abiding contempt for Western civilization. To them, Europeans are the enemy, and their women are legitimate spoils, as are all the other things one can take from them: housing, money, passports. Their laws don’t matter, their culture is uninteresting and, ultimately, their civilization is going to fall anyway to the horde of which one is the spearhead. No need to assimilate, or work hard, or try to build a decent life here for yourself—these Europeans are too soft to seriously punish you for a transgression, and their days are numbered.
     
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506?page=show

    It’s not surprising in the least. Why should the Muzzies show respect when the European peoples roll over like whipped dogs instead of standing up to them?

    In any human society such self abasement is seen as cowardice and only worthy of contempt and even death.

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  56. Kylie says:
    @AnotherDad
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it ...

    for the sake of the Church and--more importantly to me--the survival of the West, some patriot in the Vatican needs to find a way to bring this papacy to an end. BAMN.

    The minute I learned this joker was from South America, my heart sank. But he’s even worse than I thought he would be.

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  57. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Americans don't know that Italy is divided north/south, white/olive, rich/poor, soft/ballsy.

    The Italian government won't stash a ton of refugees in Sicily because the Sicilians will take direct action against the politicians/bureaucrats who are responsible. KABOOM.

    So the soft white eloi in the north get a whole lot of refugees! And there is angry talk. But no action against the people behind the invasion.

    There's a lesson here somewhere.

    This is funny, though: the head of the national Department of Security and Migration of the Lega Nord (Americans: that means Northern League) uses the migration crisis to gripe about the national government: https://sputniknews.com/world/201707101055420387-italy-economic-war-migrants/

    That’s him, Toni Iwobi, on the left, with Matteo Salvini.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/701638/milan-lega-nord-migrants-control-invasion-Matteo-Salvini

    Milan [Americans: a city in northern Italy] is now “totally controlled” by immigrants, the leader of the right-wing Lega Nord party claimed today.

    Matteo Salvini, the outspoken leader of the anti-migrant and anti-Euro group, said parts of Italy’s most populous city ware now “neither Italy nor Europe” – following what he called an “organised invasion”.

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  58. @Opinionator
    The UN: "For all the political difficulties #migrants can cause, Europe needs more of them if it wants to avoid shrinking."

    https://www.twitter.com/UNmigration/status/885441674494828544

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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Never mind ‘nuclear options’ or even so-called ‘solidarity’, (the term being appalling misused by the Italians trying to palm off *their* self-inflicted ‘migrant’ crisis upon other poor dupes), – what about the simple and obvious option of tying tow-ropes to invader vessels and taking them back to where, (in the true words of Lennon and McCartney), they rightly belong?

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  60. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The plague of third world invaders troubling Italy is a relatively recent phenomenon.
    Stoked up, no doubt, by the repeated ‘amnesties’ – ie rewarding criminal offenders for knowingly and willingly breaking the law – that various lefty Italian governments granted in the past 30 to 40 years in order to show their lefty/’humanitarian’/Economist cooties.

    Britain – at least up to Blair’s time – had a much longer experience with third world immigration, and never gave general ‘amnesties’.

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  61. Fredrik says:
    @ANON
    If Italy tried what you suggest the EU and liberals would destroy Italy the way liberals destroyed S. Africa.

    Since Italy can't defend itself against the Muslim African invasion the best thing would be to dump the animals on the country that controls the EU, Germany.
    Charter the biggest passenger planes in existence and land the invaders in Muslim & African loving. Sweden, Germany and the U.K.

    The entire invasion was orchestrated by Soros, Sweden and Germany. Let Germany and Sweden take care of their beloved nuslins&africans.
    Italy has defied Germany and the EU by refusing to allow any NGO charitable organization boats to enter Italian ports. Hopefully those boats will sail north to the Baltic and dump the trash in Germany and Sweden

    Italy didn’t start trying to stop the boat until they realized it’s a risk the Africans actually stay…

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  62. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Detective Club
    The Italian Left is putting on a big, lying show, just for the duped Italian electorate. Meanwhile, the Left is currently trying to force a citizenship bill through the Right-controlled Senate which would grant citizenship to all illegal aliens who have been resident in Italy for a period of at least 5 years. Next year, the Left will probably find themselves on the outs in Italy's Chamber of Deputies, which they have dominated since 2013. Italian opinion polls show the Left far behind and sure to lose next year. When it comes to Third-World immigration, Western Lefty political parties see only easy votes, not general and long lasting societal degradation.

    Why do you think brexit happened?

    As far as the EU goes, an ‘Italian’ citizen is a ‘British’ citizen is a ‘German’ citizen etc etc…..

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  63. More from the United Nation’s Twitter…

    UN: Despite the complexities of modern migration, migrants continue to be vital for #Europe’s growth.

    @Jdubyaweigel: Importing conflict zones does not a better economy make.
    F U C K Y O U

    UN: Sorry, but 244 million people are on the move, including many migrants whose contribution are (very) beneficial to host countries.

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    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    The comments under this demented article give me hope.

    What happened to The Economist?

    Actually I know the answer but still its hard to witness such fall.
  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad
    Perhaps instead of dumping the problem on other Europeans, the Italians should consider a "conventional option":

    Having their reasonably equiped navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Italian_Navy_ships
    actually defend Italy!

    -- Intercept the migrant boats off the Libyan coast
    -- Tow them back to shore, or near shore and disembark the migrants
    -- Detain the crew and captains on board
    -- Tow the boats out to sea, fire upon and sink them (with the captain/crew on board).

    This would quickly drive up cost of boats and crew (raise the supply curve) and drive down the number migrants (drive down the demand curve) and ergo quickly would cut off this method of attempted invasion.

    Free bonus: Europeans--the regular folks--would applaud Italians as being real men, stand-up guys, Euro-heroes rather than hating them for being dump-em-on-us weasles.

    Only problem is that the EU will instigate ECJ and ECHR prosecutions against the Italian government.

    The only way out is for the Italians to declare their independence and sovereignty – which they *ABSOLUTELY* will not do.

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  65. SND says:

    I thought the obvious solution was to install The Hildebeest & BHL as co-dictators of Libya, send all refugees back, & have the new leaders work with them to create the sphere of freedom & prosperity that they so wisely envisioned in the first place.

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  66. @songbird
    Strategically, it is probably best to do something like you say.

    But what is so frustrating about it is that they don't even need a Navy or Coast Guard. Put the people in camps, and give them cold oatmeal, lima beans, and cold water. Hold them for a mandatory two weeks, with no television or internet. At the end of that period, give them a free phone call back home (to tell them how crappy Europe is) and a ticket there as well. This would stop 95% of them, within one year.

    Australia has a bunch in camps too (before they started to crack down.)

    They’re trying to get rid of them by paying countries like Cambodia to take them. Free tickets home are a standing offer.

    Most won’t go back.

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  67. @George
    Austraila looks to be sending refugees to US.

    Government says refugee deal still on despite doubts after US officials leave Nauru

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-says-refugee-deal-still-on-despite-doubts-after-us-officials-leave-nauru-20170716-gxc3um.html

    I’m not Australian btw, but I was following the stop the boats news carefully.

    So I’m not up on the latest. But I understood the deal with the US was some type of exchange of unwanted persons. I don’t know much about. I’d have to consult my Aussie source.

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    • Replies: @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    Basically Australia swaps asylum seekers for refugees. The US accepted a deal where the Australians sends asylum seekers who have attempted to claim asylum by boat to US and Australia takes refugees from central America.
  68. @epochehusserl
    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/07/the-strange-death-of-europe-migrant-crisis-islam-terrorism/

    here are some excerpts for those not inclined to read the whole article:

    Mr. Murray sees what is at stake; migration is as ruthless as war. And yet he cannot bring himself to recommend decisive action. He makes a few flaccid suggestions, but seems to think that oblivion is better than anything that could be called “extremism.” Once or twice, he hints that survival might require distasteful means, but he would never stoop to anything illiberal.
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    Occasionally, Mr. Murray hints that Europe might—someday—take off the gloves: “[I]t is not inevitable that Europeans will forever be persuaded of our historical and hereditary iniquity, so it is possible that we might eventually say that racial politics cannot be for everyone else but not for us.” But those of us who say this now are “rancid.” Likewise, “Is it possible that at some point there will come a moment when young people who have done nothing wrong themselves say “enough” with this guilt?”

    Thank you very much.

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  69. @ANON
    Ever heard of Google?

    He gave not a word of text from the article. What should I search for?

    Jared Taylor has written a lot. What a bizarre complaint.

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  70. You guys know Camp of Saints doesn’t have a happy ending, right?

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  71. @epochehusserl
    The problem with Europe is one of identity. That has to be solved as much as putting up fences. It is odd though that in our age of moral relativism the only thing that experts can agree upon is that racism is at the core of all evils. Jared Taylor wrote about this in his Amren article. Even Douglas Murray falls prey to this.

    Sounds like even the Swedes are losing their illusions, though the elite chugs on.

    Sweden is now getting large doses of culture. In 2015, the direct costs of migrants (50.4 billion kroner or 5.8 billion USD) were greater than the Swedish defense budget (48 billion kroner or 5.5 billion USD).

    Swedes are determined to like their new country. In 1993, when the Swedish paper Expressen reported a poll that found 63 percent of Swedes wanted immigrants to go back home, the paper’s owners fired the editor. But in the wake of the huge, 2015 influx of “refugees,” even Sweden said it would start checking papers at the borders. When Deputy Prime Minister Asa Romsen made this announcement, she broke down in tears. The next year, the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, was still claiming that “borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians.”

    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/07/the-strange-death-of-europe-migrant-crisis-islam-terrorism/

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    The future will be various shades of ugly & skip and jumping.

    It's definitely a historical first. Mass media, state-first ideology and a few men wanting to create facts on the ground led to the Great Socialisms of the 30s. Mass communication and do-gooder confusion will lead to what?

    The next step will be stronger euro-fascism (even more outlawing of "hate", more surveillance, more capital flow control, more exemplary sentencing, more misuse of anti-terrorist laws to rein in people while nominally free circulation is kept alive) as the civic situation degrades and the economy fails to improve or gets its next bubble pop. Hopefully it will not ultimately lead to a Rwanda of continental proportions.

    sweating_towel_guy.jpg

    John Brunner, here we come!
  72. @Selvar
    I honestly believe that it will take the fall of a major Western European state, such as France or Sweden, to Syrian levels of social calamity before there is even a chance of elites waking up. So which Western European state do y’all think will be the first to implode due to mass immigration? My bet is on Sweden, personally. On the other hand, Italy is closer to the action, so I could be wrong.

    As always Sweden is an interesting case. The Swedes stuck religiously with their open border rhetoric for about a week after Merkel opened the floodgates. Then even high government ministers started sounding the alarm that the government would collapse within a few months trying to deal with the influx. Then they instituted border controls, which previously had been completely unthinkable except by a few despised neo-Nazi genocidal freaks. Then the Swedes effortlessly transitioned from an ideal of completely unregulated immigration to the ideal that absolutely as many non-White immigrants should be allowed in as possible without collapsing Swedish society until we’re safely retired and out of the country.

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  73. @Anon
    Italy plots ‘nuclear option’ to send migrants north

    Italy turns Gaddafione.

    Well, if EU tells Italy to take them in, Italy's going to say YOU TAKE EM.

    Game of hot potatoes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdEGlzBq9zw

    How To Initiate A Game Of Hot Potato

    Geez, so many friggin’ annoying rules for a simple playground game.

    I wouldn’t blame any kid for punting the ball over the wall and spinning around in a primal scream, clenched fists clotheslining classmates until hauled off to the office! YAARRRRR!!!

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  74. Moses says:

    Erm….the Italians are complaining of “too many migrants” yet the Italian Navy keeps picking up migrants right off the coast of Libya and giving them free rides to Italy?

    I don’t get it.

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    • Replies: @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    EU/International law says one thing, popular opinion says another, guess which takes precedence?
    , @Z-man
    They are complying with EU mandates (gutless). But you're right they should simply return the boats full and then destroy the boats. BTW private organizations like 'Doctors Without Borders' and other shit lib groups are the majority of rescuers now, but the Italian coast guard still does quite a bit of it (stupid). Sink those boats amici!
    , @BB753
    A charitable for such conundrum would be: Italy is forced by the EU, Nato and the USA to tow those "rapefugees" to Italian shores.
    , @CrunchyButRealistCon
    Italians have an election later this year. It may well be their last chance to avert reaching a breaking point. One gets the impression the Anti-Western forces are working overtime to ferry as many as possible right now - so by 2018 resolving the crisis with deportations will get mau mau'd by the narratives of:
    "It's not who we are"
    "It's impractical"
    "It conjures up the dark forces of the past"
  75. @Selvar
    I honestly believe that it will take the fall of a major Western European state, such as France or Sweden, to Syrian levels of social calamity before there is even a chance of elites waking up. So which Western European state do y’all think will be the first to implode due to mass immigration? My bet is on Sweden, personally. On the other hand, Italy is closer to the action, so I could be wrong.

    ” it will take the fall of a major Western European state, such as France or Sweden, to Syrian levels of social calamity before there is even a chance of elites waking up”

    Do you still think elites are on “our side” and just naive? This is deliberate.

    (If the Italians did this I imagine the vast majority of boat people would head for the UK, which would certainly present the British Government with some stark choices.)

    PS – I think the Italian Navy have now stopped their taxi service.

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    • Replies: @Selvar
    I think our elites are driven by a vast, cult-like ideological delusion in regards to human nature. Denial of innate racial and ethnic differences is programmed into thees people from birth. This delusion is further reinforced by their selective interactions with westernized, high IQ third-worlders, and their lack of interaction with the true cost of diversity. They really do believe, for example, that Syrians are just brown-skinned Germans with the "wrong" cultural programming. Ultimately, our elites are feckless, cosmopolitan fools. I believe they will relent when things get bad enough. The key is to make sure that they cannot isolate themselves from the misery they inflict on society.
  76. El Dato says:
    @KM32
    Before you bring out the nukes, you might try the BB gun option, which is to stop towing them across the Mediterranean in the first place.

    ‘Defend Europe’: Far-right activists launch mission to rescue, send back illegals from Libya

    Far-right activists from the Identitarian movement have charted a ship to fight illegal migration off the Libyan coast and to expose what they describe as alleged collaboration between European NGOs operating in the area and human traffickers.

    ….

    The activists also pledged support to the Libyan Coast Guard by saying that their vessel could serve as a “recon ship.”

    The Identitarians also branded their initiative as a “search and rescue mission” and said that if they get a SOS signal they will “of course save the people in distress – and hand them over to the Libyan Coast Guard to make sure that they are brought to the closest harbour, according to international law.”

    ….

    The initiative has already provoked concerns among some NGOs engaged in sea rescue operations, and they have said that the arrival of the vessel charted by the Identitarians could disrupt their operations. The French authorities also criticized the move as a “provocation” and a “hindrance” to relief efforts, French media report, adding that the issue was already referred to a court.

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  77. @Frau Katze
    I'm not Australian btw, but I was following the stop the boats news carefully.

    So I'm not up on the latest. But I understood the deal with the US was some type of exchange of unwanted persons. I don't know much about. I'd have to consult my Aussie source.

    Basically Australia swaps asylum seekers for refugees. The US accepted a deal where the Australians sends asylum seekers who have attempted to claim asylum by boat to US and Australia takes refugees from central America.

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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Matra
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    I don't see much of a difference between Francis and all the other Popes of my lifetime, especially on the most important issue facing Europe: race replacement through immigration. Polish John Paul II was always called a conservative yet was there really any difference between him and Francis on immigration? All this "Francis is not a real Pope" stuff is starting to remind me of the cuckservative "if only the Pope knew" nonsense from the early 90s.

    The anti-Francis conservatives seem to want Cardinal Sarah to become pope. An African pope for an African migrant crisis, all because he would condemn homosexuality and abortion as the true evils facing the West.

    But it is written in Scripture, in the book of the prophet Raspail, that the pope of the migrants would be a South American.

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    • Replies: @AM

    An African pope for an African migrant crisis, all because he would condemn homosexuality and abortion as the true evils facing the West.
     
    Sometimes obvious social issues are symptoms of deep problems. A society that embraces homosexuality (even taking religion out of it, historically societies that do this are at the end of golden eras) and hides behind "fetus" when slaughtering it's children, is in place so physiologically weak that it's going to get taken over by butter knives. Or in this case, actually imports the people with the switchblades and acid bombs.

    Snark all you want, the attitude of atheist snark is in large part what got us to this place mentally.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Anonymous:

    "... it is written, in the book of the prophet Raspail..."

    I never heard Jean Raspail so entitled, but it is so truly descriptive of this singularly great man!
  79. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Isn’t it ironic that a few thousand raggedy-assed, miserable, lousy (literally), dirty, opportunist, chancer, disorganised, bastards can bring the biggest most pompous self-aggrandizing political bloc of the era to its knees.

    Ridiculous.

    Pathetic.

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  80. @Moses
    Erm....the Italians are complaining of "too many migrants" yet the Italian Navy keeps picking up migrants right off the coast of Libya and giving them free rides to Italy?

    I don't get it.

    EU/International law says one thing, popular opinion says another, guess which takes precedence?

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  81. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    Americans don't know that Italy is divided north/south, white/olive, rich/poor, soft/ballsy.

    The Italian government won't stash a ton of refugees in Sicily because the Sicilians will take direct action against the politicians/bureaucrats who are responsible. KABOOM.

    So the soft white eloi in the north get a whole lot of refugees! And there is angry talk. But no action against the people behind the invasion.

    There's a lesson here somewhere.

    The Italian government won’t stash a ton of refugees in Sicily because the Sicilians will take direct action against the politicians/bureaucrats who are responsible. KABOOM.

    But Silicy is not La Corse.

    AFAIK Sicily is governed by The Family and only nominally governmentally held territory. They will find a way to either politically nix or exploit local migration camps.

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  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    After suffering a truly catastrophic defeat and humiliation in the years 1940-5, the Italian state/people – which was a relatively recent construct dating only from the 1860s, eagerly embraced the fledgling EEC/EU as as away of subsuming their defeated, demoralised and largely dysfunctional state into a wider ‘European’ identity and bureaucracy, the hope being that the supranational entity could do a better job of governing Italy than the Italians themselves.

    Alas, this vain hope has been proven to be ill-founded. Since adoption of the euro currency circa year 2000, Italian living standards have not only stalled, but gone backwards, (it ill-behooves me to point out that typical Chinese incomes have *at least* quadrupled during that time).
    EU legislation ties the hands of the Italian government from doing what any rational sovereign government could and would do in the face of continual assailing and assault of unwanted, uninvited, hostile invading aliens into Italian sovereign territory.

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  83. TheJester says:

    Frau Merkel is the de facto Empress in the reconstructed German Fifth Reich. Such power she has! She is the only potentate among the EU’s royalty, politicians, bankers, industrialists, and apparatchiks who can suspend EU agreements and national laws with a press release. And, as an aside, let’s not forget that the EU under German domination resembles what Hilter had in mind for Europe had Germany won WWII.

    So, what is Germany doing with its vassal states in Southern Europe? Besides being a captive market for its industrial goods (the industrial goods flow south … as the Euros flow north), the block on sub-Saharan immigrants moving north from Italy and MENA immigrants moving north from Greece clarifies that the “south” is a holding pattern for low-wage workers until Germany calls for a redistribution to provide the bodies to support Northern Europe’s demographically challenged social welfare states.

    Britain, Poland, Hungary, Austria, and the Balkan states have figured out the German gambit and have taken action to close their borders in reaction to Frau Merkel unilaterally suspending the Schengen Agreement. With Germany and a coalition of other countries taking sides on massive immigration and ignoring the original EU agreements, perhaps the formal dissolution of the EU into national states with traditional border controls is only a question of time.

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  84. El Dato says:
    @Frau Katze
    Sounds like even the Swedes are losing their illusions, though the elite chugs on.

    Sweden is now getting large doses of culture. In 2015, the direct costs of migrants (50.4 billion kroner or 5.8 billion USD) were greater than the Swedish defense budget (48 billion kroner or 5.5 billion USD).

    Swedes are determined to like their new country. In 1993, when the Swedish paper Expressen reported a poll that found 63 percent of Swedes wanted immigrants to go back home, the paper’s owners fired the editor. But in the wake of the huge, 2015 influx of “refugees,” even Sweden said it would start checking papers at the borders. When Deputy Prime Minister Asa Romsen made this announcement, she broke down in tears. The next year, the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, was still claiming that “borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians.”
     

    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/07/the-strange-death-of-europe-migrant-crisis-islam-terrorism/

    The future will be various shades of ugly & skip and jumping.

    It’s definitely a historical first. Mass media, state-first ideology and a few men wanting to create facts on the ground led to the Great Socialisms of the 30s. Mass communication and do-gooder confusion will lead to what?

    The next step will be stronger euro-fascism (even more outlawing of “hate”, more surveillance, more capital flow control, more exemplary sentencing, more misuse of anti-terrorist laws to rein in people while nominally free circulation is kept alive) as the civic situation degrades and the economy fails to improve or gets its next bubble pop. Hopefully it will not ultimately lead to a Rwanda of continental proportions.

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    John Brunner, here we come!

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  85. Z-man says:
    @Moses
    Erm....the Italians are complaining of "too many migrants" yet the Italian Navy keeps picking up migrants right off the coast of Libya and giving them free rides to Italy?

    I don't get it.

    They are complying with EU mandates (gutless). But you’re right they should simply return the boats full and then destroy the boats. BTW private organizations like ‘Doctors Without Borders’ and other shit lib groups are the majority of rescuers now, but the Italian coast guard still does quite a bit of it (stupid). Sink those boats amici!

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  86. Z-man says:
    @El Dato
    Send them to Luxembourg! This will increase the country's population by 30% in one go!

    LOL! Yes right ‘up Junker’s back yard’!

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  87. Z-man says:
    @epochehusserl
    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/07/the-strange-death-of-europe-migrant-crisis-islam-terrorism/

    here are some excerpts for those not inclined to read the whole article:

    Mr. Murray sees what is at stake; migration is as ruthless as war. And yet he cannot bring himself to recommend decisive action. He makes a few flaccid suggestions, but seems to think that oblivion is better than anything that could be called “extremism.” Once or twice, he hints that survival might require distasteful means, but he would never stoop to anything illiberal.
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    Occasionally, Mr. Murray hints that Europe might—someday—take off the gloves: “[I]t is not inevitable that Europeans will forever be persuaded of our historical and hereditary iniquity, so it is possible that we might eventually say that racial politics cannot be for everyone else but not for us.” But those of us who say this now are “rancid.” Likewise, “Is it possible that at some point there will come a moment when young people who have done nothing wrong themselves say “enough” with this guilt?”

    Mr. Murray sees what is at stake; migration is as ruthless as war. And yet he cannot bring himself to recommend decisive action. He makes a few flaccid suggestions, but seems to think that oblivion is better than anything that could be called “extremism.” Once or twice, he hints that survival might require distasteful means, but he would never stoop to anything illiberal.
    That’s because the intelligentsia is owned and ‘a-feared’ of the internationalist Cabal.!

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  88. El Dato says:
    @Johnny Rube
    You guys know Camp of Saints doesn't have a happy ending, right?

    It depends on whom you ask.

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  89. @epochehusserl
    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/07/the-strange-death-of-europe-migrant-crisis-islam-terrorism/

    here are some excerpts for those not inclined to read the whole article:

    Mr. Murray sees what is at stake; migration is as ruthless as war. And yet he cannot bring himself to recommend decisive action. He makes a few flaccid suggestions, but seems to think that oblivion is better than anything that could be called “extremism.” Once or twice, he hints that survival might require distasteful means, but he would never stoop to anything illiberal.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Occasionally, Mr. Murray hints that Europe might—someday—take off the gloves: “[I]t is not inevitable that Europeans will forever be persuaded of our historical and hereditary iniquity, so it is possible that we might eventually say that racial politics cannot be for everyone else but not for us.” But those of us who say this now are “rancid.” Likewise, “Is it possible that at some point there will come a moment when young people who have done nothing wrong themselves say “enough” with this guilt?”

    I think identifying the problem in clear terms is enough of a contribution for one man. That the man with the courage to do so is a homosexual ought to shame others.

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    • Replies: @NC
    Why is the right so gay? A culture that is a demographic minority can survive. A culture that puts children on hormones and marches in LGBT pride parades is already dead. There is nothing left there that is worth saving. There is nothing the Muslims can do to us that is worse than what we are doing to ourselves.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Murray uses his gayitude as armour against the SJW hitsquads in much the same way as David Starkey does, to add hitpoints to his otherwise utterly deplorable Educated White Anglo Male character. Same as Milo Unpronounceabilikos. All three deploy Received Pronunciation to intellectually intimidate the orcs who harass them, but they're obviously nowhere near Rees-Mogg power-levels in that.
    I would never get away with saying the things they do. I'm strictly in "Getcher 'ands off me, Abdul" territory.
  90. BB753 says:
    @Altai
    Most of the West Africans desire to head to France or the UK (Generous but not the most generous welfare states but they have the biggest diaspora populations), 200,000 is a big whack for one or two countries to take all at once in the major urban centres. They also tend to have either French or English.

    Right now, a sudden influx of 200,000 Africans in Sweden would really have the same effect as a couple of nukes.
    It would be the final nail in the coffin for a dying, exhausted, chaotic Sweden.

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  91. BB753 says:
    @Moses
    Erm....the Italians are complaining of "too many migrants" yet the Italian Navy keeps picking up migrants right off the coast of Libya and giving them free rides to Italy?

    I don't get it.

    A charitable for such conundrum would be: Italy is forced by the EU, Nato and the USA to tow those “rapefugees” to Italian shores.

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    A charitable explanation, that is.. (for some reason, I can't edit my comment above)
  92. BB753 says:
    @BB753
    A charitable for such conundrum would be: Italy is forced by the EU, Nato and the USA to tow those "rapefugees" to Italian shores.

    A charitable explanation, that is.. (for some reason, I can’t edit my comment above)

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  93. anarchyst says:
    @AM

    The problem with Europe is one of identity. That has to be solved as much as putting up fences. It is odd though that in our age of moral relativism the only thing that experts can agree upon is that racism is at the core of all evils.
     
    When you strip people of their identity, their religion, and their understanding that morals are objective, they still want and understand all those things anyway. Even atheists assume objective morality when they have discussions where they are adamant it's just all perception.

    (Side note: I'm pretty sure I had Scott Adams block me on Twitter for politely engaging his followers once or twice on the subject of objective morality.)

    So, anyway, they replace those critical concepts with objectively simpler and easier values than Christianity. Okay, maybe I slept around, and look there's a bunch of homosexuals/low rent feminists that I can't even argue with because I have set my bar pretty low on the shagging front, but darn it, there's got to be a way to be a "good" person.

    So what was the very last battle before we lost the plot on Christianity entirely? The Civil Rights Movement, which if you listen carefully is the warm, fuzzy and basically impossible part of Christianity for humans of a non-supernatual variety. (How does a border guard judge someone by the "content of their character", rather than their documentation?)

    Poof! Instant religion (All Hail to "The Same"), identity ("Not a racist") and objective morality (Racism=bad) and it's easy. It turns out in practice it's not so much, but certainly easier to understand than Christianity, especially in an era where nobody can be bothered to teach much of it.

    For Christians who are not absolutely soaked in it's theological roots, the MLK Jr call sounds so...Christian, because it is a part of it. Thus they get swept away in the secular identity and double down on that as public morality. Christians, unfortunately, re-enforce it because in part it makes their Christianity easier to understand and "do" too. Or so they think. It's not correct, but it sounds it and that's the hazard.

    The “beginning of the end” of Christianity was sealed with the infiltration of the Catholic Church “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” of the 1960s by Jews and Protestants.
    Much Catholic ritual was discarded, as well as the promotion of absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ which exists to this day. The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) do do their “dirty work” for them…
    Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its “universality”. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand the meaning of the Mass.
    Prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass (except by special ecclesiastical permission) pushed many Catholics away from the new “Modern Mass” and the New Church, in general…It took a brave Cardinal Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X to “push back” against Vatican II and re-legitimize the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass and other Catholic rites.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest (celebrant of the Mass) was considered to be a part of the congregation, and a representative of the people.
    By turning the priest around to face the congregation, the priest was no longer a representative, but an “actor”, diminishing his status and importance.
    One area where the Catholic Church could improve itself involves celibacy, which is NOT Church “dogma” or doctrine. Celibacy was put in place during the middle ages in order to keep Church property from being inherited by family and relatives of priests and bishops. Celibacy was based on purely financial considerations–nothing more. It is interesting to note that Episcopal (Anglican) priests who convert to Catholicism can bring their families with them to the Church while Roman Catholic priests are denied marriage.
    It was a grave mistake by the Church to de-legitimize celebration of pre-Vatican II principles.

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  94. Clyde says:

    Absolutely Italy should take up the nuclear option. Send their migrant Africans and Muslims to more northern European countries where the living is easy due to generous social welfare systems. Make the Northerns squirm and squeal, in the hopes that the EU will finally use military means to stop this invasion of so called migrants. Who the self hating Northern Europeans claim is inevitable, like the birds that migrate each year to where the food and nesting/reproduction is safer from predators.

    The pressure that will work against Italy will come from evil Angela Merkel Germany and the coven of Germanic EU honchos. It is financial pressure because they control the loans that keeps Italy going. Greece too which is the other major entry point for migrants.

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  95. @Tom-in-VA
    https://theindianeconomist.com/italy-austria-border-row-eus-struggle-clear-migration-policy/

    The Austrian government deployed a battalion of troops and some armored vehicles to the Brenner Pass on July 4th to keep the migrants from moving north. If the Italian government gives the migrants visas, the Austrians will either have to let them through, or withdraw from Schengen. I'm hoping for the latter, personally.

    The cheap option for Austria would be to give them all tickets to London, which would have YUGE Brexit implications (currently HMG’s position is that all who come to the UK pre-Brexit can stay).

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  96. @Matra
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    I don't see much of a difference between Francis and all the other Popes of my lifetime, especially on the most important issue facing Europe: race replacement through immigration. Polish John Paul II was always called a conservative yet was there really any difference between him and Francis on immigration? All this "Francis is not a real Pope" stuff is starting to remind me of the cuckservative "if only the Pope knew" nonsense from the early 90s.

    All this “Francis is not a real Pope” stuff is starting to remind me of the cuckservative “if only the Pope knew” nonsense from the early 90s.

    Francis is not a real pope. All of the popes since John XXIII (inclusive) have been antipopes and the Second Vatican Council was an anti-council. The Novus Ordo Missae is also an anti-mass.

    I don’t think you know what “cuckservative” means. The people saying that Francis is not a real pope are the only fully un-cucked Catholics in existence.

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    I don’t think you know what “cuckservative” means.

    I was referring to National Review and other pro-GOP Catholics who insisted for years that John Paul II was a great conservative on the side of Western civilisation. Those same "real McCoy" Catholic conservatives who worshipped the Polish Pope sided with the neocons and Rockefeller Republicans against Buchanan in 1992. And, of course, they were happy to sit down for interviews with the MSM explaining, to much applause, why they thought Buchanan was a danger to the Republic.

  97. @Rod1963
    Deposing Bergoglio won't change anything. The people who elect the Pope are the problem.

    Look they forcibly retired Ratzinger which is unheard of to install this half literate Liberation Theology cretin who dares to intervene in a American presidental election and publicly scold Trump because he wasn't obeying Bergoglio's agenda.

    Even now his minions are attacking Steve Bannon as evil incarnate.

    Bergoglio's Marxist roots are really coming out now.

    JPII never did that nor did Ratzinger.

    Nor did they place Muslims ahead of Christians like this loon has.

    JPII never did that nor did Ratzinger.

    Nor did they place Muslims ahead of Christians like this loon has.

    Perhaps you need to read Nostra Aetate. It’s been official policy of the Church since the Second Vatican Council to “honor the Mohammedans,” which in practice means showing them preference. Ratzinger prayed in mosques and synagogues in brazen acts of idolatry, and Wojtyla was a globetrotting witch doctor who never met a heathen cult he didn’t embrace.

    The idea that JPII was some kind of conservative is one of the biggest orchestrated farces in modern history.

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    t’s been official policy of the Church since the Second Vatican Council to “honor the Mohammedans,” which in practice means showing them preference
     
    The vast majority of what is showing up in as "results of Vatican II", particularly in the US, was not the intent of Vatican II. Vatican II intended to give an inch on things like Mass in the vernacular and the Bishops and leadership took a mile.

    This is the entirety of Muslim issue in Nostra Aetate. "The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

    Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom."

    What in there says: "Wash the feet of the Muslims?" "Ignore modern terrorism and the concept of a just war?" "Stop attempting to convert them?"

    It mostly reads "Look, they're kind of Christians (I agree with you, no not really) and "don't nurse a grudge". Nothing there about becoming a moron or a pushover.

    Ratzinger prayed in mosques and synagogues in brazen acts of idolatry, and Wojtyla was a globetrotting witch doctor who never met a heathen cult he didn’t embrace.
     
    Right before he stepped down Ratizinger got into some seriously hot water with Muslims. I assume wasn't quite good enough, neither was Polish Commie fighting Pope.

    I mean if the point is to continue to tear down the West, who needs Muslims? Let's just continue to pound into rubble one of the major institutions that got us here in the first place.
  98. Brutusale says:
    @AnotherDad
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it ...

    for the sake of the Church and--more importantly to me--the survival of the West, some patriot in the Vatican needs to find a way to bring this papacy to an end. BAMN.

    You speak for me. Exactly the same situation, though I’m the son of a devout father who left the Church when they turned the altar around and stopped saying Mass in Latin.

    It’ll be interesting to see if Pope Commie I causes more upheaval in the Church than Vatican II.

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    Please google "Society of St Pius X" You will find that these small Catholic communities still subscribe to the pre-Vatican II liturgy and still celebrate the Mass in Latin with the priest facing the altar, not the congregation.
  99. g2k says:
    @syonredux
    Top UK university to swap portraits of bearded white scholars with wall of diversity

    King’s College London is to swap portraits of some of its founding fathers with a "wall of diversity" amid pressure from students, a dean says.
     

    The proposals were unveiled by Professor Patrick Leman, the Institute’s dean of education, who said that the faculty should not just be filled with “busts of 1920s bearded men” but rather more modern, diverse scholars so that the Institute feels less “alienating”.
     
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/14/top-uk-university-replaces-busts-portraits-bearded-white-scholars/
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  100. Brutusale says:
    @AM

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it …
     
    We need you back. This is about ready to turn into a fight between the faithful laity and the rotted out RC Bishops, much like it did in the 4th and 5th centuries. We need anyone who knows their stuff who can even vaguely attempt to keep the Bishops that Pope Francis will select inline. The stock of Bishops, which is hideously bad right now, is going to get worse for at least a decade or longer.

    We go to Mass weekly but do not give to the Bishops fund nor to any other Catholic charity. We give a pittance to keep the local church operating. Our youngest will not be attending Catholic school. Suffering through the empty Homilies is something I can manage, given Christ's sacrifice.

    If the survival of the West is important to you, then this has to be personal. It's time to stop pining about the decay of the West and hoping someone else will do something. The institutional Church is about to fall into rubble. (Good riddance to bad rubbish, at this point.) We need be ready to rebuild. Those standing in place can take it back.

    I didn’t leave the Church. The Church left me.

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    Yeah, you were such hard core Catholics that you couldn't stick around and fight. There is a word for that: schismatic. Anyway at this point there's almost no one in the US who does not live near a parish that does the tridentine mass, and that is thanks to the people who stayed and fought. The people on the internet who have to explain why they're too good to be Catholic anymore are almost invariably the ones who never went to mass or were never Christians in any meaningful way to begin with.
    , @AM

    I didn’t leave the Church. The Church left me.
     
    Asking for earthly Church to be perfect, to your design, is to miss the point entirely. Asking a fallen Pope or any Bishop to be Christ before you'll find a pew is also to miss the point entirely.

    That's why I have this terrible habit of reading this stuff and thinking: We have to get back into thinking about sacrifice again. Stop with the post-modernistic "What's in it for me?" "Why won't anyone *else* save Western Civilization?"

    Yes, it's suffering. It sucks. But Christ is always there if you seek Him, even in awkward liturgies and seas of annoying people. If you're there when the place turns to rubble it's yours to help rebuild. If you're waiting for perfect, you're waiting for Godot. *headshake*
  101. @Opinionator
    More from the United Nation's Twitter...

    UN: Despite the complexities of modern migration, migrants continue to be vital for #Europe's growth.

    @Jdubyaweigel: Importing conflict zones does not a better economy make.
    F U C K Y O U

    UN: Sorry, but 244 million people are on the move, including many migrants whose contribution are (very) beneficial to host countries.

    https://www.twitter.com/Jdubyaweigel/status/885777984132714496

    The comments under this demented article give me hope.

    What happened to The Economist?

    Actually I know the answer but still its hard to witness such fall.

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  102. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “…Having their reasonably equiped navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Italian_Navy_ships
    actually defend Italy!”

    and

    “Only problem is that the EU will instigate ECJ and ECHR prosecutions against the Italian government.”

    Problem is that Italy is subject to the rule of law. Evil law, bad law in this case, by people who clearly do not have Italians interests at heart. Getting to be a common problem.

    ECJ: European Court of Justice:

    “…The court ruled that the Community constitutes a new legal order, the subjects of which consist of not only the Member States but also their nationals

    …Without supremacy the Member States could simply ignore EU rules…

    …the court ruled that member states had definitively transferred sovereign rights to the Community and Union law could not be overridden by domestic law…”

    ECHR: European Court of Human Rights: “…”unable to resist the temptation to aggrandise its jurisdiction and to impose uniform rules on Member States. It considers itself the equivalent of the Supreme Court of the United States, laying down a federal law of Europe”…”

    UN Refugee Agency.

    UNHCR:

    http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/1951-refugee-convention.html:

    “The 1951 Refugee Convention is the key legal document that forms the basis of our work. Ratified​ by 145 State parties, it defines the term ‘refugee’ and outlines the rights of the displaced, as well as the legal obligations of States to protect them.

    The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law…”

    The failure of rule-by-Judiciary is an interesting development over the last half century or so.

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    It's also profoundly undemocratic in that, ultimately, it is said that in a democracy *all* power is eventually directly traceable to 'the people' ie the electorate, legislative delegates being dependent on the expression of popular votes as cast in elections.
    By giving power over elected delegates to unelected unaccountable judges in the name of 'securing individual rights' the ultimate sovereignty of the people, so defined, in a 'democracy' is subordinated.
  103. NC says:
    @Alec Leamas
    I think identifying the problem in clear terms is enough of a contribution for one man. That the man with the courage to do so is a homosexual ought to shame others.

    Why is the right so gay? A culture that is a demographic minority can survive. A culture that puts children on hormones and marches in LGBT pride parades is already dead. There is nothing left there that is worth saving. There is nothing the Muslims can do to us that is worse than what we are doing to ourselves.

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    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    The right is so gay because leftists hate our civilization and push intersectionality. The war of position is therefore getting blacks to hate whites, women to hate men, gays to hate straights. The common enemy of all the aforementioned groups is straight white men. Straight white men can say nothing about the aforementioned victim groups because they are all aligned against him. The only person they would be willing to listen to from their moral perspective is the homosexual white man. I disagree with writers who say that he is a brave man. Even if had his credentials I doubt that they would listen to me because I am not part of an approved victim group. Our problems are cultural because we don't have healthy families. What kind of society tolerates its children being raped because of a fear of being called "racist" as in Rotherham?
  104. Forbes says:
    @Selvar
    I honestly believe that it will take the fall of a major Western European state, such as France or Sweden, to Syrian levels of social calamity before there is even a chance of elites waking up. So which Western European state do y’all think will be the first to implode due to mass immigration? My bet is on Sweden, personally. On the other hand, Italy is closer to the action, so I could be wrong.

    According to a life-long friend who lives in Tuscany, Italy is lost. There’s insufficient police/criminal justice/jail capacity for all the miscreants, and the social welfare burden is hopeless. Government, such as it is, at all levels is overwhelmed.

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    Insufficient police/criminal justice/jail capacity for all the miscreants"

    Sounds just like all the diverse multicultural states in America.
  105. Amasius says:
    @Opinionator
    The UN: "For all the political difficulties #migrants can cause, Europe needs more of them if it wants to avoid shrinking."

    https://www.twitter.com/UNmigration/status/885441674494828544

    Europe must avoid a situation like this at all costs:

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  106. @Altai
    Most of the West Africans desire to head to France or the UK (Generous but not the most generous welfare states but they have the biggest diaspora populations), 200,000 is a big whack for one or two countries to take all at once in the major urban centres. They also tend to have either French or English.

    The French are tougher on migrants than the British, assuming they can get to the UK. Hence the “Jungle” at Calais.

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  107. @songbird
    Strategically, it is probably best to do something like you say.

    But what is so frustrating about it is that they don't even need a Navy or Coast Guard. Put the people in camps, and give them cold oatmeal, lima beans, and cold water. Hold them for a mandatory two weeks, with no television or internet. At the end of that period, give them a free phone call back home (to tell them how crappy Europe is) and a ticket there as well. This would stop 95% of them, within one year.

    Strategically, it is probably best to do something like you say.

    But what is so frustrating about it is that they don’t even need a Navy or Coast Guard. Put the people in camps, and give them cold oatmeal, lima beans, and cold water. Hold them for a mandatory two weeks, with no television or internet. At the end of that period, give them a free phone call back home (to tell them how crappy Europe is) and a ticket there as well. This would stop 95% of them, within one year.

    Disagree.

    In “theory”, if you build camps and never let them out into European societies, that would work. However you’d have to build a lot of camps to house millions and millions. Because until it’s absolutely clear that they will never get out, they’ll keep coming. So it’s much more expensive. But more importantly to keep them in the camp requires a Europe of real unwavering nationalist (or continentalist) will. Such a Europe does not yet exist–to say the least.

    In the real Europe, the slimy schyster NGO lawyers would be pawing away getting people in camps “freed” from “prison” that violates all sorts of the “human rights” much these same slimy schysters have dumped on us. The most fundamental “human right” of native populations to reject parasites and say “we don’t to live with you” is the one right that doesn’t exist.

    On the other hand the approach Frau Katze and I and others advocate–stopping the flow at sea (or at the border with Turkey)–actually can work now, before there’s a full nationalist consensus. The border rules–passports and visas, the “safe country” refugee application requirement–are there. Human trafficking is illegal and nations have the right to stop it and arrest the perps. If you never let the invaders get into Europe (or America), then the slimy leftists can’t impose them on the rest of us.

    In sum, nationalist oriented leaders can protect their nations, right now, at the border. It doesn’t require all of Europe to become “woke”
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  108. NC says:
    @AM

    The problem with Europe is one of identity. That has to be solved as much as putting up fences. It is odd though that in our age of moral relativism the only thing that experts can agree upon is that racism is at the core of all evils.
     
    When you strip people of their identity, their religion, and their understanding that morals are objective, they still want and understand all those things anyway. Even atheists assume objective morality when they have discussions where they are adamant it's just all perception.

    (Side note: I'm pretty sure I had Scott Adams block me on Twitter for politely engaging his followers once or twice on the subject of objective morality.)

    So, anyway, they replace those critical concepts with objectively simpler and easier values than Christianity. Okay, maybe I slept around, and look there's a bunch of homosexuals/low rent feminists that I can't even argue with because I have set my bar pretty low on the shagging front, but darn it, there's got to be a way to be a "good" person.

    So what was the very last battle before we lost the plot on Christianity entirely? The Civil Rights Movement, which if you listen carefully is the warm, fuzzy and basically impossible part of Christianity for humans of a non-supernatual variety. (How does a border guard judge someone by the "content of their character", rather than their documentation?)

    Poof! Instant religion (All Hail to "The Same"), identity ("Not a racist") and objective morality (Racism=bad) and it's easy. It turns out in practice it's not so much, but certainly easier to understand than Christianity, especially in an era where nobody can be bothered to teach much of it.

    For Christians who are not absolutely soaked in it's theological roots, the MLK Jr call sounds so...Christian, because it is a part of it. Thus they get swept away in the secular identity and double down on that as public morality. Christians, unfortunately, re-enforce it because in part it makes their Christianity easier to understand and "do" too. Or so they think. It's not correct, but it sounds it and that's the hazard.

    Christian virtues are tied together and moderated by the faith as a whole. When post Christians take reason, justice , charity or any of the Christian virtues and try to make a secular religion of it, it becomes a horror. This is what we’ve been living for the past two centuries. It’s as though the limbs are thrashing about causing havoc after the head has been decapitated. It can’t continue. Ultimately it must be as Belloc said, that “Europe will return to the Faith, or she will perish. The Faith is Europe. And Europe is the Faith.”

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    Ultimately it must be as Belloc said, that “Europe will return to the Faith, or she will perish. The Faith is Europe. And Europe is the Faith.”
     
    This makes a lot of people uncomfortable on the alt-right, but I am convinced that this statement true. HBD is interesting and helpful stuff. Lots of great data and information. But the little (and important) gap is that people, while looking at all the great stuff European races have done, gloss over information that would suggest we have some great weaknesses and needs as well.

    The intense need for religion and solid truths in which to order our lives seems to be a European issue. Japan floats along without it, although I'm convinced someday they're going to be a Christian nation. (Just not in my lifetime) ;) Europeans, on the other hand, are clearly suicidal in a post-modern world which gives no mental anchors to give their lives meaning.

    Europeans die spiritually as nihilistic materialists, and then the rest I think is only a matter of time.
  109. @Altai
    Most of the West Africans desire to head to France or the UK (Generous but not the most generous welfare states but they have the biggest diaspora populations), 200,000 is a big whack for one or two countries to take all at once in the major urban centres. They also tend to have either French or English.

    They also tend to have either French or English.

    … in their own opinion, that is.

    Usually it’s only slightly more difficult to converse with them than it would be when one was negotiating the purchase of horse-sausage from a Mongolian nomad.

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  110. NC says:
    @syonredux
    Afghan "Refugees" and Rape:

    This brings us to a third, more compelling and quite disturbing theory—the one that my Afghan friend, the court translator, puts forward. On the basis of his hundreds of interactions with these young men in his professional capacity over the past several years, he believes to have discovered that they are motivated by a deep and abiding contempt for Western civilization. To them, Europeans are the enemy, and their women are legitimate spoils, as are all the other things one can take from them: housing, money, passports. Their laws don’t matter, their culture is uninteresting and, ultimately, their civilization is going to fall anyway to the horde of which one is the spearhead. No need to assimilate, or work hard, or try to build a decent life here for yourself—these Europeans are too soft to seriously punish you for a transgression, and their days are numbered.
     
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506?page=show

    Enough about the “poor” women. I’ve seen too many pictures of cute euro girls holding “refugees welcome” signs over the last 2 years to think that they are bothered about being raped or sexually harassed. You’re confusing a feature for a bug. I’d like to think it would flip things if 80% of these refugees were unaccompanied, single young women. That it’d be 2 girls for every guy and the euro girls walking around with swastikas and “refugees go home” boards. But euro men are so poisoned with feminism and soy that they probably wouldn’t be able to take advantage of such a situation.

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  111. anarchyst says:
    @Brutusale
    You speak for me. Exactly the same situation, though I'm the son of a devout father who left the Church when they turned the altar around and stopped saying Mass in Latin.

    It'll be interesting to see if Pope Commie I causes more upheaval in the Church than Vatican II.

    Please google “Society of St Pius X” You will find that these small Catholic communities still subscribe to the pre-Vatican II liturgy and still celebrate the Mass in Latin with the priest facing the altar, not the congregation.

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    • Replies: @AM
    SSPX is a group created by a Bishop who ordained 4 Bishops without authorization, making them all automatically ex-communicated. Not surprisingly, the group has already splintered off, with 1 Bishop of 4 leaving the group.

    Traditional Latin Masses can be found in regular diocesan churches. It's a drive, but I'd stay out of the mess of that is SSPX. I know their frustration, but I'm not sure what the point of trying creating Lutheranism again is.
    , @ben tillman

    Please google “Society of St Pius X” You will find that these small Catholic communities still subscribe to the pre-Vatican II liturgy and still celebrate the Mass in Latin with the priest facing the altar, not the congregation.
     
    You know, you can construct an altar-in-the-round so the pastor can face the altar and the congregation.

    It has been done.
  112. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous


    "...Having their reasonably equiped navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Italian_Navy_ships
    actually defend Italy!"


    and

    "Only problem is that the EU will instigate ECJ and ECHR prosecutions against the Italian government."

     

    Problem is that Italy is subject to the rule of law. Evil law, bad law in this case, by people who clearly do not have Italians interests at heart. Getting to be a common problem.


    ECJ: European Court of Justice:


    "...The court ruled that the Community constitutes a new legal order, the subjects of which consist of not only the Member States but also their nationals...

    ...Without supremacy the Member States could simply ignore EU rules...

    ...the court ruled that member states had definitively transferred sovereign rights to the Community and Union law could not be overridden by domestic law..."

     

    ECHR: European Court of Human Rights: "..."unable to resist the temptation to aggrandise its jurisdiction and to impose uniform rules on Member States. It considers itself the equivalent of the Supreme Court of the United States, laying down a federal law of Europe"..."

    UN Refugee Agency.

    UNHCR:
    http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/1951-refugee-convention.html
    :


    "The 1951 Refugee Convention is the key legal document that forms the basis of our work. Ratified​ by 145 State parties, it defines the term ‘refugee' and outlines the rights of the displaced, as well as the legal obligations of States to protect them.

    The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law..."

     

    The failure of rule-by-Judiciary is an interesting development over the last half century or so.

    It’s also profoundly undemocratic in that, ultimately, it is said that in a democracy *all* power is eventually directly traceable to ‘the people’ ie the electorate, legislative delegates being dependent on the expression of popular votes as cast in elections.
    By giving power over elected delegates to unelected unaccountable judges in the name of ‘securing individual rights’ the ultimate sovereignty of the people, so defined, in a ‘democracy’ is subordinated.

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  113. @Bill Jones
    Why not revert to the traditional role of National Navies and sink the invaders at sea?

    France, Spain, and Italy only have four aircraft carriers and a couple dozen submarines between them. You really can’t expect them to confront rusty freighters and rubber rafts with that paltry arsenal.

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    French navy:

    Size 36,331 personnel (2016)
    180 ships
    210 aircraft

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Navy

    , @Z-man
    Wrong. They can effectively block these vermin ships with their respective coastguards. Since most are coming Sicily way the French and Spaniards could assist the Italian coast guard with a few extra 'cutters', but that's all that's needed to do the job.
  114. @Frau Katze
    The real nuclear option will be to stop the boats at sea. This is how Australia stopped people coming from Indonesia to Christmas Island.

    To avoid being called brutal, they invested in unsinkable lifeboats (they look like mini submarines).

    After applying this technique consistently, the whole thing dried up. The people smugglers stopped get customers.

    Mind you, it is easier to get to Europe than to Australia. But sending them back should be tried.

    The Aussies resorted to the unsinkable lifeboats as the invaders threatened to scuttle their boats. They knew the Aussies wouldn't just watch them drown.

    Finally, the invaders were not from Indonesia. They were from all over. Indonesia was just the place to launch, very much as sub Saharan Africans see Libya.

    To avoid being called brutal, they invested in unsinkable lifeboats (they look like mini submarines).

    Rather than lifeboats, which are at least in theory navigable to some extent, I propose large hollow concrete rafts a bit like large Mulberrys, anchored from below to the sea bottom by thick chain or cable from the centre. Place them just outside the (notional) Libyan territorial limit. Put the reffos on them and sink the boats. The “charities” can supply them with grog and vittles for as long as they care to. As well as deckchairs and parasols.

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  115. @Sid
    It's rich for Italy to complain about "fair share." Their navy is actively picking up and landing migrants on their territories. They're the ones taking in the migrants - heck, for all her blunders, Merkel at least has tried to set up deals with Erdogan so there won't be so many migrants in Europe to begin with.
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  116. NC says:
    @Brutusale
    I didn't leave the Church. The Church left me.

    Yeah, you were such hard core Catholics that you couldn’t stick around and fight. There is a word for that: schismatic. Anyway at this point there’s almost no one in the US who does not live near a parish that does the tridentine mass, and that is thanks to the people who stayed and fought. The people on the internet who have to explain why they’re too good to be Catholic anymore are almost invariably the ones who never went to mass or were never Christians in any meaningful way to begin with.

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  117. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @JerryC
    It's no invasion, those migrants are there at the invitation of Europe's rulers.

    There’s a long world history of Ruler A inviting in a wave of B-people to battle his internal Political Enemies C, and then B becoming even more of a nuisance to A than C ever was.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Some Irish invited in the English in the 1100s to help them win their internal disputes.

    That did not work out well.

  118. @Alec Leamas
    I think identifying the problem in clear terms is enough of a contribution for one man. That the man with the courage to do so is a homosexual ought to shame others.

    Murray uses his gayitude as armour against the SJW hitsquads in much the same way as David Starkey does, to add hitpoints to his otherwise utterly deplorable Educated White Anglo Male character. Same as Milo Unpronounceabilikos. All three deploy Received Pronunciation to intellectually intimidate the orcs who harass them, but they’re obviously nowhere near Rees-Mogg power-levels in that.
    I would never get away with saying the things they do. I’m strictly in “Getcher ‘ands off me, Abdul” territory.

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    Expletive Deleted:

    I concur with you that Jacob Rees-Mogg's demeanor and over-the-top upscale pronunciation devastates any and all political opposition - absolutely top-notch!

    In modern-day Brexit Britain, P. J. Wodehouse's modern-day alter ego is incarnated in JR-M.

  119. NC says:
    @AnotherDad
    This anti-Pope Francis might as well have 666 tattooed on his forehead.

    As Jesuit educated, fallen away Catholic, who is not invested in the Church, but still has positive feelings about it ...

    for the sake of the Church and--more importantly to me--the survival of the West, some patriot in the Vatican needs to find a way to bring this papacy to an end. BAMN.

    There’s nothing more boring than the “I used to be a Catholic, but..” people who are too good be Catholic or too Catholic to be Catholic anymore and want to talk about it. When the person wants to explain Catholicism to the Catholics because they went to a prep school that had a Jesuit, that’s even worse. If you were a Muslim you’d probably be beheaded or thrown of a building for being an infidel, but instead you are just a bore boring Catholics with stories about your ex-Catholicism.

    As it is you are nothing but an apostate and weak link in a 2,000 year chain. If you will not pick up your cross and fight the fight with the rest of us, what good are you? When your culture is death and all ideologies lead to hell by way of nihilism, that is all that there is for any of us.

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  120. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “The failure of rule-by-Judiciary is an interesting development over the last half century or so.”

    There should be an “anti-Judiciary” that every 5, 10, 15, 25, 50. and 100 years goes back and reviews legal decisions of that age in the light of new knowledge and experience learned. Of course, I suppose either new court cases or the legislature is supposed to do that, but in a moral purity spiral welfare state neither can do anything that doesn’t count as “giving”.

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  121. @Anon
    There's a long world history of Ruler A inviting in a wave of B-people to battle his internal Political Enemies C, and then B becoming even more of a nuisance to A than C ever was.

    Some Irish invited in the English in the 1100s to help them win their internal disputes.

    That did not work out well.

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  122. @SteveRogers42
    France, Spain, and Italy only have four aircraft carriers and a couple dozen submarines between them. You really can't expect them to confront rusty freighters and rubber rafts with that paltry arsenal.

    French navy:

    Size 36,331 personnel (2016)
    180 ships
    210 aircraft

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Navy

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  123. 94 posts and no mention of the abysmally low Italian fertility rate. Italy is turning into a gigantic old age home. Who is going to defend the seniors from invaders?

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  124. EriK says:
    @AM

    The problem with Europe is one of identity. That has to be solved as much as putting up fences. It is odd though that in our age of moral relativism the only thing that experts can agree upon is that racism is at the core of all evils.
     
    When you strip people of their identity, their religion, and their understanding that morals are objective, they still want and understand all those things anyway. Even atheists assume objective morality when they have discussions where they are adamant it's just all perception.

    (Side note: I'm pretty sure I had Scott Adams block me on Twitter for politely engaging his followers once or twice on the subject of objective morality.)

    So, anyway, they replace those critical concepts with objectively simpler and easier values than Christianity. Okay, maybe I slept around, and look there's a bunch of homosexuals/low rent feminists that I can't even argue with because I have set my bar pretty low on the shagging front, but darn it, there's got to be a way to be a "good" person.

    So what was the very last battle before we lost the plot on Christianity entirely? The Civil Rights Movement, which if you listen carefully is the warm, fuzzy and basically impossible part of Christianity for humans of a non-supernatual variety. (How does a border guard judge someone by the "content of their character", rather than their documentation?)

    Poof! Instant religion (All Hail to "The Same"), identity ("Not a racist") and objective morality (Racism=bad) and it's easy. It turns out in practice it's not so much, but certainly easier to understand than Christianity, especially in an era where nobody can be bothered to teach much of it.

    For Christians who are not absolutely soaked in it's theological roots, the MLK Jr call sounds so...Christian, because it is a part of it. Thus they get swept away in the secular identity and double down on that as public morality. Christians, unfortunately, re-enforce it because in part it makes their Christianity easier to understand and "do" too. Or so they think. It's not correct, but it sounds it and that's the hazard.

    (Side note: I’m pretty sure I had Scott Adams block me on Twitter for politely engaging his followers once or twice on the subject of objective morality.)

    Perhaps he blocks at whim.

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    Perhaps he blocks at whim.
     
    Totally possible. You can never tell why people block on Twitter. He wants to sell books/comics/etc, though so I thought it was odd.
  125. anonguy says:
    @Opinionator
    The UN: "For all the political difficulties #migrants can cause, Europe needs more of them if it wants to avoid shrinking."

    https://www.twitter.com/UNmigration/status/885441674494828544

    The UN: “For all the political difficulties #migrants can cause, Europe needs more of them if it wants to avoid shrinking.”

    And we all know shrinking is bad, so we never have to explain why shrinking is bad.

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  126. Z-man says:
    @SteveRogers42
    France, Spain, and Italy only have four aircraft carriers and a couple dozen submarines between them. You really can't expect them to confront rusty freighters and rubber rafts with that paltry arsenal.

    Wrong. They can effectively block these vermin ships with their respective coastguards. Since most are coming Sicily way the French and Spaniards could assist the Italian coast guard with a few extra ‘cutters’, but that’s all that’s needed to do the job.

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    Z - I was attempting sarcasm. Clearly they have more than enough resources to do the job.
  127. Z-man says:
    @Bill Jones
    Why not revert to the traditional role of National Navies and sink the invaders at sea?

    Why not revert to the traditional role of National Navies and sink the invaders at sea?

    My dream Bill is that a rogue pilot in the Italian AF or a rogue captain of an Italian warship has an ‘epiphany’ and goes on a rampage, and sinks several ships loaded with those vermin and some of those shit lib rescuers also. Maybe it can be a combined operation, naval and air…(Sly grin)
    I would be the first to contribute to the defense fund for these rogues (heroes), hell I’d volunteer to be on the warship!

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  128. Dan Hayes says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    Murray uses his gayitude as armour against the SJW hitsquads in much the same way as David Starkey does, to add hitpoints to his otherwise utterly deplorable Educated White Anglo Male character. Same as Milo Unpronounceabilikos. All three deploy Received Pronunciation to intellectually intimidate the orcs who harass them, but they're obviously nowhere near Rees-Mogg power-levels in that.
    I would never get away with saying the things they do. I'm strictly in "Getcher 'ands off me, Abdul" territory.

    Expletive Deleted:

    I concur with you that Jacob Rees-Mogg’s demeanor and over-the-top upscale pronunciation devastates any and all political opposition – absolutely top-notch!

    In modern-day Brexit Britain, P. J. Wodehouse’s modern-day alter ego is incarnated in JR-M.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I always thought of Boris Johnson as Bertie Wooster.
  129. Matra says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    All this “Francis is not a real Pope” stuff is starting to remind me of the cuckservative “if only the Pope knew” nonsense from the early 90s.
     
    Francis is not a real pope. All of the popes since John XXIII (inclusive) have been antipopes and the Second Vatican Council was an anti-council. The Novus Ordo Missae is also an anti-mass.

    I don't think you know what "cuckservative" means. The people saying that Francis is not a real pope are the only fully un-cucked Catholics in existence.

    I don’t think you know what “cuckservative” means.

    I was referring to National Review and other pro-GOP Catholics who insisted for years that John Paul II was a great conservative on the side of Western civilisation. Those same “real McCoy” Catholic conservatives who worshipped the Polish Pope sided with the neocons and Rockefeller Republicans against Buchanan in 1992. And, of course, they were happy to sit down for interviews with the MSM explaining, to much applause, why they thought Buchanan was a danger to the Republic.

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    I was referring to National Review and other pro-GOP Catholics who insisted for years that John Paul II was a great conservative on the side of Western civilisation.
     
    John Paul II nearly died fighting commies. He hated communism,fought against it, and certainly as Pole wasn't a fan of any type of invasion, peaceful or otherwise. He was on the side of Western Civilization.

    Those same “real McCoy” Catholic conservatives who worshipped the Polish Pope sided with the neocons and Rockefeller Republicans against Buchanan in 1992.
     
    Ah, well these people are different then JPII, aren't they? Catholic culture even back then was tilting towards the corruption you see in it today. You can like someone and not really be much like them at all.

    JPII, like Ronald Reagan, was not universally liked while he was alive. Reagan is being worshiped by people today who I am convinced would have had nothing but foul words for him while he was in office. I suspect JPII is the same. Easy to see him as a hero..after he's dead and he's not pointing out uncomfortable things.
  130. Selvar says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    " it will take the fall of a major Western European state, such as France or Sweden, to Syrian levels of social calamity before there is even a chance of elites waking up"

    Do you still think elites are on "our side" and just naive? This is deliberate.

    (If the Italians did this I imagine the vast majority of boat people would head for the UK, which would certainly present the British Government with some stark choices.)

    PS - I think the Italian Navy have now stopped their taxi service.

    I think our elites are driven by a vast, cult-like ideological delusion in regards to human nature. Denial of innate racial and ethnic differences is programmed into thees people from birth. This delusion is further reinforced by their selective interactions with westernized, high IQ third-worlders, and their lack of interaction with the true cost of diversity. They really do believe, for example, that Syrians are just brown-skinned Germans with the “wrong” cultural programming. Ultimately, our elites are feckless, cosmopolitan fools. I believe they will relent when things get bad enough. The key is to make sure that they cannot isolate themselves from the misery they inflict on society.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    " I believe they will relent when things get bad enough."

    Things getting bad is a feature, not a bug.

    "The key is to make sure that they cannot isolate themselves from the misery they inflict on society."

    The whole point of what they're doing is to produce a society like Brazil's, with us in the crime-ridden barrios and them in the gated mansions on the hills (with armed security guards). Given that ordinary Americans and Brits are getting poorer each year, and the elite are getting wealthier, how exactly do we stop them isolating themselves?
  131. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    The anti-Francis conservatives seem to want Cardinal Sarah to become pope. An African pope for an African migrant crisis, all because he would condemn homosexuality and abortion as the true evils facing the West.

    But it is written in Scripture, in the book of the prophet Raspail, that the pope of the migrants would be a South American.

    An African pope for an African migrant crisis, all because he would condemn homosexuality and abortion as the true evils facing the West.

    Sometimes obvious social issues are symptoms of deep problems. A society that embraces homosexuality (even taking religion out of it, historically societies that do this are at the end of golden eras) and hides behind “fetus” when slaughtering it’s children, is in place so physiologically weak that it’s going to get taken over by butter knives. Or in this case, actually imports the people with the switchblades and acid bombs.

    Snark all you want, the attitude of atheist snark is in large part what got us to this place mentally.

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    Snark all you want, the attitude of atheist snark is in large part what got us to this place mentally.
     
    Agree.
  132. AM says:
    @Brutusale
    I didn't leave the Church. The Church left me.

    I didn’t leave the Church. The Church left me.

    Asking for earthly Church to be perfect, to your design, is to miss the point entirely. Asking a fallen Pope or any Bishop to be Christ before you’ll find a pew is also to miss the point entirely.

    That’s why I have this terrible habit of reading this stuff and thinking: We have to get back into thinking about sacrifice again. Stop with the post-modernistic “What’s in it for me?” “Why won’t anyone *else* save Western Civilization?”

    Yes, it’s suffering. It sucks. But Christ is always there if you seek Him, even in awkward liturgies and seas of annoying people. If you’re there when the place turns to rubble it’s yours to help rebuild. If you’re waiting for perfect, you’re waiting for Godot. *headshake*

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  133. AM says:
    @Matra
    I don’t think you know what “cuckservative” means.

    I was referring to National Review and other pro-GOP Catholics who insisted for years that John Paul II was a great conservative on the side of Western civilisation. Those same "real McCoy" Catholic conservatives who worshipped the Polish Pope sided with the neocons and Rockefeller Republicans against Buchanan in 1992. And, of course, they were happy to sit down for interviews with the MSM explaining, to much applause, why they thought Buchanan was a danger to the Republic.

    I was referring to National Review and other pro-GOP Catholics who insisted for years that John Paul II was a great conservative on the side of Western civilisation.

    John Paul II nearly died fighting commies. He hated communism,fought against it, and certainly as Pole wasn’t a fan of any type of invasion, peaceful or otherwise. He was on the side of Western Civilization.

    Those same “real McCoy” Catholic conservatives who worshipped the Polish Pope sided with the neocons and Rockefeller Republicans against Buchanan in 1992.

    Ah, well these people are different then JPII, aren’t they? Catholic culture even back then was tilting towards the corruption you see in it today. You can like someone and not really be much like them at all.

    JPII, like Ronald Reagan, was not universally liked while he was alive. Reagan is being worshiped by people today who I am convinced would have had nothing but foul words for him while he was in office. I suspect JPII is the same. Easy to see him as a hero..after he’s dead and he’s not pointing out uncomfortable things.

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  134. AM says:
    @EriK

    (Side note: I’m pretty sure I had Scott Adams block me on Twitter for politely engaging his followers once or twice on the subject of objective morality.)
     
    Perhaps he blocks at whim.

    Perhaps he blocks at whim.

    Totally possible. You can never tell why people block on Twitter. He wants to sell books/comics/etc, though so I thought it was odd.

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    • Replies: @anonguy

    Totally possible. You can never tell why people block on Twitter. He wants to sell books/comics/etc, though so I thought it was odd.
     
    Scott Adams is insecure.
  135. AM says:
    @NC
    Christian virtues are tied together and moderated by the faith as a whole. When post Christians take reason, justice , charity or any of the Christian virtues and try to make a secular religion of it, it becomes a horror. This is what we've been living for the past two centuries. It's as though the limbs are thrashing about causing havoc after the head has been decapitated. It can't continue. Ultimately it must be as Belloc said, that "Europe will return to the Faith, or she will perish. The Faith is Europe. And Europe is the Faith."

    Ultimately it must be as Belloc said, that “Europe will return to the Faith, or she will perish. The Faith is Europe. And Europe is the Faith.”

    This makes a lot of people uncomfortable on the alt-right, but I am convinced that this statement true. HBD is interesting and helpful stuff. Lots of great data and information. But the little (and important) gap is that people, while looking at all the great stuff European races have done, gloss over information that would suggest we have some great weaknesses and needs as well.

    The intense need for religion and solid truths in which to order our lives seems to be a European issue. Japan floats along without it, although I’m convinced someday they’re going to be a Christian nation. (Just not in my lifetime) ;) Europeans, on the other hand, are clearly suicidal in a post-modern world which gives no mental anchors to give their lives meaning.

    Europeans die spiritually as nihilistic materialists, and then the rest I think is only a matter of time.

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  136. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anonymous
    The anti-Francis conservatives seem to want Cardinal Sarah to become pope. An African pope for an African migrant crisis, all because he would condemn homosexuality and abortion as the true evils facing the West.

    But it is written in Scripture, in the book of the prophet Raspail, that the pope of the migrants would be a South American.

    Anonymous:

    “… it is written, in the book of the prophet Raspail…”

    I never heard Jean Raspail so entitled, but it is so truly descriptive of this singularly great man!

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  137. AM says:
    @anarchyst
    Please google "Society of St Pius X" You will find that these small Catholic communities still subscribe to the pre-Vatican II liturgy and still celebrate the Mass in Latin with the priest facing the altar, not the congregation.

    SSPX is a group created by a Bishop who ordained 4 Bishops without authorization, making them all automatically ex-communicated. Not surprisingly, the group has already splintered off, with 1 Bishop of 4 leaving the group.

    Traditional Latin Masses can be found in regular diocesan churches. It’s a drive, but I’d stay out of the mess of that is SSPX. I know their frustration, but I’m not sure what the point of trying creating Lutheranism again is.

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  138. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “French navy:

    Size 36,331 personnel (2016)
    180 ships
    210 aircraft

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Navy”

    Steve, how can you be so Un-Woke? To be France is to be civilizational! To be civilizational is to be Woke! To atone for all future sins of omission, all sailors in the French Navy in the future must be non-white:


    It will be a great day when the French Navy is transferred to the African people-smugglers and the French Navy has to have cake sales to raise money. The money will only be for Woke things, like POC parades, you understand.

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  139. @Moses
    Erm....the Italians are complaining of "too many migrants" yet the Italian Navy keeps picking up migrants right off the coast of Libya and giving them free rides to Italy?

    I don't get it.

    Italians have an election later this year. It may well be their last chance to avert reaching a breaking point. One gets the impression the Anti-Western forces are working overtime to ferry as many as possible right now – so by 2018 resolving the crisis with deportations will get mau mau’d by the narratives of:
    “It’s not who we are”
    “It’s impractical”
    “It conjures up the dark forces of the past”

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  140. @AM

    An African pope for an African migrant crisis, all because he would condemn homosexuality and abortion as the true evils facing the West.
     
    Sometimes obvious social issues are symptoms of deep problems. A society that embraces homosexuality (even taking religion out of it, historically societies that do this are at the end of golden eras) and hides behind "fetus" when slaughtering it's children, is in place so physiologically weak that it's going to get taken over by butter knives. Or in this case, actually imports the people with the switchblades and acid bombs.

    Snark all you want, the attitude of atheist snark is in large part what got us to this place mentally.

    Snark all you want, the attitude of atheist snark is in large part what got us to this place mentally.

    Agree.

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  141. @Patrick Harris
    That piece was some of the most ill-informed and tendentious dreck I've seen in a while, full of circa-2004 theocracy panic clichés and ludicrous guilt-by-unfounded-association maneuvers. I say this as someone who is not uncritical of culture war politics. If I were Catholic, I would be embarassed.

    Why would I be embarrassed?

    Its not like Francis is Catholic.

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  142. @songbird
    Strategically, it is probably best to do something like you say.

    But what is so frustrating about it is that they don't even need a Navy or Coast Guard. Put the people in camps, and give them cold oatmeal, lima beans, and cold water. Hold them for a mandatory two weeks, with no television or internet. At the end of that period, give them a free phone call back home (to tell them how crappy Europe is) and a ticket there as well. This would stop 95% of them, within one year.

    give them a free phone call back home (to tell them how crappy Europe is) and a ticket there as well

    No. They stay until someone pays for the costs of transportation back, at inflated prices. Make the operation turn a profit.

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  143. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dan Hayes
    Expletive Deleted:

    I concur with you that Jacob Rees-Mogg's demeanor and over-the-top upscale pronunciation devastates any and all political opposition - absolutely top-notch!

    In modern-day Brexit Britain, P. J. Wodehouse's modern-day alter ego is incarnated in JR-M.

    I always thought of Boris Johnson as Bertie Wooster.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/10/boris-johnson-unfit-to-be-prime-minister

    "Most politicians are ambitious and ruthless, but Boris is a gold medal egomaniac. I would not trust him with my wife nor – from painful experience – my wallet.

    His chaotic public persona is not an act – he is, indeed, manically disorganised about everything except his own image management. He is also a far more ruthless, and frankly nastier, figure than the public appreciates.

    I would not take Boris's word about whether it is Monday or Tuesday. I feel a twinge of regret for speaking so harshly, because I am as susceptible as most of the British people to Johnson's brilliant, warm, funny public persona.

    He is not a man to believe in, to trust or respect, save as a superlative exhibitionist. He is bereft of judgment, loyalty and discretion. Only in the star-crazed, frivolous Britain of the 21st century could such a man have risen so high, and he is utterly unfit to go higher still."
     

    Women love him. Paging Whiskey and Roissy!
  144. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @Forbes
    According to a life-long friend who lives in Tuscany, Italy is lost. There's insufficient police/criminal justice/jail capacity for all the miscreants, and the social welfare burden is hopeless. Government, such as it is, at all levels is overwhelmed.

    Insufficient police/criminal justice/jail capacity for all the miscreants”

    Sounds just like all the diverse multicultural states in America.

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  145. anonguy says:
    @AM

    Perhaps he blocks at whim.
     
    Totally possible. You can never tell why people block on Twitter. He wants to sell books/comics/etc, though so I thought it was odd.

    Totally possible. You can never tell why people block on Twitter. He wants to sell books/comics/etc, though so I thought it was odd.

    Scott Adams is insecure.

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  146. Rob McX says:

    Senior Italian government figures have threatened to allow 200,000 migrants who have reached its shores to travel across Europe…

    Just to get a grasp of the futility of this whole business, people should contemplate that figure for a moment. It’s about the number of new Africans born every 48 hours.

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    Yep, it's almost futile but I would let nature take it's course. The next time Ebola strikes, as Paul McCartney once wrote, 'Let it Be' man let it be! Quarantine the entire continent!
    BTW Rob McX, don't have a defeatest attitude, that's what the enemies of Western/Christian civilization want!
    , @Anonymous
    That's why it's imperative that tough anti-immigration policies must be implemented right *now*.

    But, alas, we live in the era of government by Economist magazine.
  147. Z-man says:
    @Rob McX

    Senior Italian government figures have threatened to allow 200,000 migrants who have reached its shores to travel across Europe...
     
    Just to get a grasp of the futility of this whole business, people should contemplate that figure for a moment. It's about the number of new Africans born every 48 hours.

    Yep, it’s almost futile but I would let nature take it’s course. The next time Ebola strikes, as Paul McCartney once wrote, ‘Let it Be’ man let it be! Quarantine the entire continent!
    BTW Rob McX, don’t have a defeatest attitude, that’s what the enemies of Western/Christian civilization want!

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  148. @NC
    Why is the right so gay? A culture that is a demographic minority can survive. A culture that puts children on hormones and marches in LGBT pride parades is already dead. There is nothing left there that is worth saving. There is nothing the Muslims can do to us that is worse than what we are doing to ourselves.

    The right is so gay because leftists hate our civilization and push intersectionality. The war of position is therefore getting blacks to hate whites, women to hate men, gays to hate straights. The common enemy of all the aforementioned groups is straight white men. Straight white men can say nothing about the aforementioned victim groups because they are all aligned against him. The only person they would be willing to listen to from their moral perspective is the homosexual white man. I disagree with writers who say that he is a brave man. Even if had his credentials I doubt that they would listen to me because I am not part of an approved victim group. Our problems are cultural because we don’t have healthy families. What kind of society tolerates its children being raped because of a fear of being called “racist” as in Rotherham?

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  149. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rob McX

    Senior Italian government figures have threatened to allow 200,000 migrants who have reached its shores to travel across Europe...
     
    Just to get a grasp of the futility of this whole business, people should contemplate that figure for a moment. It's about the number of new Africans born every 48 hours.

    That’s why it’s imperative that tough anti-immigration policies must be implemented right *now*.

    But, alas, we live in the era of government by Economist magazine.

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  150. AM says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    JPII never did that nor did Ratzinger.

    Nor did they place Muslims ahead of Christians like this loon has.
     
    Perhaps you need to read Nostra Aetate. It's been official policy of the Church since the Second Vatican Council to "honor the Mohammedans," which in practice means showing them preference. Ratzinger prayed in mosques and synagogues in brazen acts of idolatry, and Wojtyla was a globetrotting witch doctor who never met a heathen cult he didn't embrace.

    The idea that JPII was some kind of conservative is one of the biggest orchestrated farces in modern history.

    t’s been official policy of the Church since the Second Vatican Council to “honor the Mohammedans,” which in practice means showing them preference

    The vast majority of what is showing up in as “results of Vatican II”, particularly in the US, was not the intent of Vatican II. Vatican II intended to give an inch on things like Mass in the vernacular and the Bishops and leadership took a mile.

    This is the entirety of Muslim issue in Nostra Aetate. “The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

    Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.”

    What in there says: “Wash the feet of the Muslims?” “Ignore modern terrorism and the concept of a just war?” “Stop attempting to convert them?”

    It mostly reads “Look, they’re kind of Christians (I agree with you, no not really) and “don’t nurse a grudge”. Nothing there about becoming a moron or a pushover.

    Ratzinger prayed in mosques and synagogues in brazen acts of idolatry, and Wojtyla was a globetrotting witch doctor who never met a heathen cult he didn’t embrace.

    Right before he stepped down Ratizinger got into some seriously hot water with Muslims. I assume wasn’t quite good enough, neither was Polish Commie fighting Pope.

    I mean if the point is to continue to tear down the West, who needs Muslims? Let’s just continue to pound into rubble one of the major institutions that got us here in the first place.

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  151. @Detective Club
    The Italian Left is putting on a big, lying show, just for the duped Italian electorate. Meanwhile, the Left is currently trying to force a citizenship bill through the Right-controlled Senate which would grant citizenship to all illegal aliens who have been resident in Italy for a period of at least 5 years. Next year, the Left will probably find themselves on the outs in Italy's Chamber of Deputies, which they have dominated since 2013. Italian opinion polls show the Left far behind and sure to lose next year. When it comes to Third-World immigration, Western Lefty political parties see only easy votes, not general and long lasting societal degradation.

    When it comes to Third-World immigration, Western Lefty political parties see only easy votes, not general and long lasting societal degradation.

    How do you know that?

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  152. @JerryC
    It's no invasion, those migrants are there at the invitation of Europe's rulers.

    It’s no invasion, those migrants are there at the invitation of Europe’s rulers.

    It’s an invasion of European nations orchestrated by the rulers of those nations.

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  153. @anarchyst
    Please google "Society of St Pius X" You will find that these small Catholic communities still subscribe to the pre-Vatican II liturgy and still celebrate the Mass in Latin with the priest facing the altar, not the congregation.

    Please google “Society of St Pius X” You will find that these small Catholic communities still subscribe to the pre-Vatican II liturgy and still celebrate the Mass in Latin with the priest facing the altar, not the congregation.

    You know, you can construct an altar-in-the-round so the pastor can face the altar and the congregation.

    It has been done.

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  154. @Selvar
    I think our elites are driven by a vast, cult-like ideological delusion in regards to human nature. Denial of innate racial and ethnic differences is programmed into thees people from birth. This delusion is further reinforced by their selective interactions with westernized, high IQ third-worlders, and their lack of interaction with the true cost of diversity. They really do believe, for example, that Syrians are just brown-skinned Germans with the "wrong" cultural programming. Ultimately, our elites are feckless, cosmopolitan fools. I believe they will relent when things get bad enough. The key is to make sure that they cannot isolate themselves from the misery they inflict on society.

    ” I believe they will relent when things get bad enough.”

    Things getting bad is a feature, not a bug.

    “The key is to make sure that they cannot isolate themselves from the misery they inflict on society.”

    The whole point of what they’re doing is to produce a society like Brazil’s, with us in the crime-ridden barrios and them in the gated mansions on the hills (with armed security guards). Given that ordinary Americans and Brits are getting poorer each year, and the elite are getting wealthier, how exactly do we stop them isolating themselves?

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  155. @Anonymous
    I always thought of Boris Johnson as Bertie Wooster.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/10/boris-johnson-unfit-to-be-prime-minister

    “Most politicians are ambitious and ruthless, but Boris is a gold medal egomaniac. I would not trust him with my wife nor – from painful experience – my wallet.

    His chaotic public persona is not an act – he is, indeed, manically disorganised about everything except his own image management. He is also a far more ruthless, and frankly nastier, figure than the public appreciates.

    I would not take Boris’s word about whether it is Monday or Tuesday. I feel a twinge of regret for speaking so harshly, because I am as susceptible as most of the British people to Johnson’s brilliant, warm, funny public persona.

    He is not a man to believe in, to trust or respect, save as a superlative exhibitionist. He is bereft of judgment, loyalty and discretion. Only in the star-crazed, frivolous Britain of the 21st century could such a man have risen so high, and he is utterly unfit to go higher still.”

    Women love him. Paging Whiskey and Roissy!

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  156. @Z-man
    Wrong. They can effectively block these vermin ships with their respective coastguards. Since most are coming Sicily way the French and Spaniards could assist the Italian coast guard with a few extra 'cutters', but that's all that's needed to do the job.

    Z – I was attempting sarcasm. Clearly they have more than enough resources to do the job.

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