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From Israel Hayom:

Southern barrier proves 100% effective in preventing infiltration

No infiltrations from the Sinai Peninsula were recorded over the past 12 months, Population and Immigration Authority says

More than 2,400 illegal migrants were deported during the same period

Some 38,000 African migrants live in Israel illegally.

Yori Yalon

September 18, 2017

Not a single infiltration from the Sinai Peninsula into Israel was recorded over the past 12 months, the Population and Immigration Authority said on Sunday.

Officials credit this surprising statistic to the fence Israel built along its border with Egypt several years ago.

In 2016, only 18 people managed to cross into Israel from Egypt illegally while in 2015 the number of such infiltrators stood at 220.

 
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  1. Turns out you just can’t get a 27-foot ladder in the Sinai Peninsula.

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  2. This website should have a function that allows easy pasting of previous comments.

    In its absence I’ll repeat.

    Israel has a very short coastline.
    Israel has one major international airport.
    Israel has no islands.

    So for a human to try to infiltrate into Israel-basically has to be done on (or under) land. This is why Hamas keeps digging tunnels. If Israel had just one island things might be different. But its doesn’t so they aren’t.

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country’s geography don’t they?

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    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    Israel has a very short coastline.

    Is this true relative to size of the country? The statistics cited is limited to people coming from the southern border so it doesn't count people coming along the Mediterranean coast (I'm assuming) but the Israelis must think theres some utility to the wall and that people won't just take a boat up the coast instead.

    , @Cwhatfuture
    If Israel's coastline were twice as long, and they had 5 airports, and their border with Egypt were three times longer, it would not matter. They would stop any infiltration.

    Why?

    Because their leaders care about their population That is all that it takes. If you have the will, there is a way. They figured out how to stop rockets, something everyone said could not be done.

    The US is richer than Israel. We have the best universities and engineers in the world. We can do anything they have done.

    But our leaders don't care about our people. It is that and not the length of our coastlines or borders and airports.
    , @Dmitry134564
    As a result of the fence stopping the land route for illegal immigration across the Sinai, the new trend of illegal immigration to Israel involves people coming in by air on tourist visas as part of pilgrimage groups (usually from African countries), and then refusing to leave when their visa expires.

    While the elected government of Israel is strong against illegal immigration, the legal system is the opposite. Israel has extremely liberal laws when it comes to deporting illegal immigrants - and the illegal immigrants in Israel often stay for years, posing significant problems in terms of their crime rates, while at the same time the Supreme Court refuses to allow their deportation. This is why Israel is forced to experiment with concepts like 'voluntary departure' (where they offer thousands of dollars to each illegal immigrant to leave - and the number of them taking up the offer each year is not very high).

    , @Alec Leamas

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country’s geography don’t they?
     
    What you'd do if you were sincere about stemming the flow of illegal entries is to begin by taking away the most easily achievable options with high success ratios. You'd put up physical barriers where people routinely cross on foot or by vehicle.

    Could that divert the flow to other means? I suppose so. But those means would be more difficult and expensive with a lower ratio of success.

    What you wouldn't do if you were sincere is propose that any effort that isn't 100% effective can't be implemented.

    One imagines that the Israelis are fairly protective of their Mediterranean Coast. My only data point is an obscure show about a Canadian couple who sails around the world called "Distant Shores." Maybe they're closet antisemites and anti-Zionists, but they did depict a rather thorough entry process when sailing from points in the Med into Israel. That seems more like a matter of will and resources than geography.
    , @Wilbur Hassenfus
    Hilarious how you're trying to obscure the fact that fewer and more difficult options means fewer illegals.

    If you didn't think it would work you'd be in favor of it, wouldn't you? We'd get just as many Undocumented Democrats, and Trump would look foolish.

    A wall that didn't work wouldn't scare you at all. But the wall terrifies you.
    , @Wilkey
    Israel has a very short coastline. Israel has one major international airport. Israel has no islands.

    1) Israel is far closer to various spewers of Muslim refugees than, say, Italy, yet apparently it doesn't get many illegal infiltrators arriving by sea.

    2) Few US islands and only a small portion of our coastline is close to sending countries. To get from various US islands to the mainland you generally fly, and that means producing valid ID.

    3) I doubt that the length of Israel's border, per capita, is much longer than that of the US, especially if you exclude our border with Canada. Our 2,000 mile border with Mexico would be equivalent to a 50 mile border in Israel.

    4) Cost? The cost of building, manning and maintaining a border fence with Mexico would be less than the cost of a single carrier strike group - of which the US currently has 11 - and far, far more relevant to the defense of the United States.
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  3. Someone ought to point out that it’s a fence not a wall.

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    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Someone ought to point out that it’s a fence not a wall.
     
    Exactly. Trump's instincts are in the right place, it his proposed solution that is ludicrous and infeasible.
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  4. That’s why They don’t want to build a wall here.

    Because it works.

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    • Replies: @res
    I think repeating this over and over while ridiculing them would be a good tactic.
    , @the Supreme Gentleman
    With the exception of minor Israeli politician Benjamin Netanyahu, of course...
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  5. Luke Lea says:

    Is the Trump administration considering that design? Two of them parallel with a road between would be even better.

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    • Replies: @AM

    Is the Trump administration considering that design? Two of them parallel with a road between would be even better.
     
    You can dig up a briefing on the wall, which I saw a while ago in passing. The most favored proposal, especially where fencing already exists, is two fences with the no-go zone and electronic monitoring between the two.
    , @SteveRogers42
    "Contracts awarded".

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/trump-administration-moving-ahead-test-designs-border-wall/
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  6. @anony-mouse
    This website should have a function that allows easy pasting of previous comments.

    In its absence I'll repeat.

    Israel has a very short coastline.
    Israel has one major international airport.
    Israel has no islands.

    So for a human to try to infiltrate into Israel-basically has to be done on (or under) land. This is why Hamas keeps digging tunnels. If Israel had just one island things might be different. But its doesn't so they aren't.

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country's geography don't they?

    Israel has a very short coastline.

    Is this true relative to size of the country? The statistics cited is limited to people coming from the southern border so it doesn’t count people coming along the Mediterranean coast (I’m assuming) but the Israelis must think theres some utility to the wall and that people won’t just take a boat up the coast instead.

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    • Replies: @Karl
    6 Guy de Chamlange > Is this true relative to size of the country?


    The informative ratio, is to the amount of boats and men you have to patrol that coast.

    the guys in the Wasp-class patrol boats don't think that they are getting oodles of free time before being put back to sea.

    the guys at the Naval Shipyard don't think that they have oodles of time to complete a maintenance "availability" on one of the boats before the commander says that its needed back on the line
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  7. And to honor the struggling post-Irma people here is:

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  8. Moshe says:

    Upsetting to see there are still that many aild africans there.

    They deported just 2 thousand out of 40??

    Those 38k are the equivalent of 3,000,000 in the US.

    That’s a lot.

    Not to mention all the non-jewish romanians, thais, russians, ethiopians….

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    • Replies: @Dmitry134564
    What an ignorant and racist comment - although I should expect such rednecks on this blog. Ethiopian and Russian speaking Israelis are Israeli citizens, who are almost universally conscripted in the IDF, and have come to the country through the Law of Return, with the same nativity to the country as anyone else. They are Israelis as much as anyone is an Israeli. (And the contribution is immense: e.g. 60% of the maths and science faculty staff in Israel's universities are such 'Russians', as you ignorantly label Russian-speaking Israelis).

    Thais and Romanians in Israel are usually guest workers, who come legally under the government's guest worker program, with fixed employment and a company sponsoring them.

    The infiltrators are illegal immigrants, who arrive from countries with which Israel is legally unable to return them (such as Sudan and Eritrea). The Supreme Court means that they cannot be deported from Israel - and this is why Israel is experimenting (mainly unsuccessfully) with the concept of 'voluntary departure', by which they are paid thousands of dollars in exchange for leaving to a third-party country (such as Uganda or Kenya).

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  9. unit472 says:

    Puerto Rico alert. At 8:00PM EDT Hurricane Maria was upgraded to Category 5. It will pass right over Puerto Rico on Wednesday. A glancing blow from Irma took out electric power to about 25% of the island’s population. This storm should make it close to 100%.

    The island territory is already bankrupt and depopulating. “Maria” maybe the coup de grace that sends a flood of penniless paupers flying to the mainland.

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    The island territory is already bankrupt and depopulating. “Maria” maybe the coup de grace that sends a flood of penniless paupers flying to the mainland.
     
    As far as i can tell all the Puerto Ricans are already living in metro Orlando. (Where i'll arrive on the red-eye Wednesday morning to check on our damage from Irma.) There can't be a whole lot of them left on the island.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Uh-oh. Maria might turn Puerto Rico into a Latin Haiti.

    The US should have cut that place loose generations ago.
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    wouldn't it be weird if Lee hits the coast of Virginia or DC?! Or, East Hampton, NY?!
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  11. A fence seems much cheaper and more effective than a wall. The fence gives no cover or concealment to invaders or terrorists on the opposite side. Security forces can see through and if necessary fire through the fence.

    I believe the Saudis also built an even more effective looking double fence not a wall.

    Wall in this case is only a metaphorical or moral term not a physical term.

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  12. Paul Rise says:

    OT: Tattoos, piercings and scarification now widespread and normal say US pediatricians. (Because what’s abnormal about a bone in your nose when you can permanently mutilate yourself and “become” a man or woman?)

    http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-tattoos-piercings-pediatricians-20170918-story.html

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    • Replies: @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?
    , @Joe Stalin
    Tattoos on Black people seem to be a non-starter if they are trying to display art; it just doesn't seem to compliment them in an artistic sense. I've seen tattoos on the legs of beautiful white women downtown Chicago; ladies, you are messing up the aesthetics of what nature has bequeathed you with.
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  13. AM says:

    It’s like fences and walls work despite the seemingly thousands of reasons given why they don’t.

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  14. AM says:
    @Luke Lea
    Is the Trump administration considering that design? Two of them parallel with a road between would be even better.

    Is the Trump administration considering that design? Two of them parallel with a road between would be even better.

    You can dig up a briefing on the wall, which I saw a while ago in passing. The most favored proposal, especially where fencing already exists, is two fences with the no-go zone and electronic monitoring between the two.

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    • Replies: @CK
    They omitted the moat with the laser armed sharks and the kamikaze crocodiles in the earlier design. It will have solar panels the electricity will be exported to pay for the maintenance and future improvements.
    Electronics to listen for tunneling activity are available as is the ancient knowledge of counter-tunneling so popular during the Vauban era of national defense.
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  15. Mark Caplan says: • Website

    Related in view of Ken Burns’ Vietnam War series on PBS, Army strategist Col. Harry G. Summers argued in On Strategy that a defensive wall of troop emplacements along the North-South border would have led to victory. Here’s a summary from Commentary Magazine‘s review of Summer’s book:

    Colonel Summers would seem to prefer, in retrospect, a strategy of battlefield isolation. The United States Army (aided by the South Koreans and perhaps crack South Vietnamese units) should have isolated South Vietnam from its northern enemy by occupying a line extending from the sea to the Thai border. Behind that line the South Vietnamese could have quashed the Vietcong insurgency and, with our aid, created an effective conventional force to cope with the North Vietnamese. Our strategy thus would have been one of active defense, i.e., a strategy aimed at denying the enemy access to the battlefield. Instead we chose a strategically passive defense, which involved reacting to enemy infiltration with a multitude of search-and-destroy missions. This tactical offensive did indeed kill hundreds of thousands of enemy troops, but it left the initiative with the North, as the offensives of 1968 and 1972 demonstrated.

    It’s the same story today as we seek and deport hundreds of thousands of infiltrators instead of barring their entry in the first place.

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    • Replies: @Moses
    Lewis Sorley, a US Army veteran and historian, makes a compelling case that the Vietnam war basically was won by 1972 in his book "A Better War."

    Although a devastating propaganda loss for the US and South Vietnam, the Tet offensive of 1968 was a military disaster for the Viet Cong and eliminated them as a fighting force. That, and William Westmoreland's replacement, Creighton Abrams, changed strategy immediately after taking command in 1968 to de-emphasize ineffective search and destroy missions in favor of interdicting enemy supplies and holding territory.

    By early 1972 the insurgency in South Vietnam was over and the countryside peaceful. The South Vietnamese army successfully pushed back the regular North Vietnamese army in the Easter Offensive invasion later in 1972 with assistance from US air power. It took the North 3 years to recover and mount another operation in 1975. By that time Nixon was distracted (to put it mildly) by Watergate and Congress tied his hands by prohibiting further assistance to South Vietnam through the Church Amendment. The North was still receiving substantial aid from China and the USSR. Without US additional assistance the South crumbled in 1975.

    Abrams had the strategy right. If he had relieved Westy a few years earlier things might have turned out differently. Of course, the South Vietnamese govt was corrupt to the core and illegitimate in the eyes of the South Vietnamese. That didn't help. (Contrary to popular belief the Southerners did not want to become commies and suffered terribly after the war).

    Should America have been involved in Vietnam? With the benefit of hindsight my conclusion is no. It was a civil war with no compelling American interests at stake. It was total waste of blood and treasure. I could say the same thing about South Korea.

    Vietnam did turn pink in 1975. No dominoes fell. Vietnam entered a period of severe privation as the Communists implemented commie economic policies with predictable results. The funny (or tragic) part is that the Vietnamese people have suffered terribly under Communism. They got rid of foreign influence, but installed what basically is a kleptocracy.

    But at the time I can see the logic of "stopping communism." I'm now opposed to all foreign adventures unless there is a direct threat to the security of the USA.

    , @Anonymous
    My Dad fought in Viet Nam. His suggestion was exactly that - creating a treeless area with a fence, IIRC.
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  16. res says:
    @Albus_Scirocco
    That's why They don't want to build a wall here.

    Because it works.

    I think repeating this over and over while ridiculing them would be a good tactic.

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  17. @anony-mouse
    This website should have a function that allows easy pasting of previous comments.

    In its absence I'll repeat.

    Israel has a very short coastline.
    Israel has one major international airport.
    Israel has no islands.

    So for a human to try to infiltrate into Israel-basically has to be done on (or under) land. This is why Hamas keeps digging tunnels. If Israel had just one island things might be different. But its doesn't so they aren't.

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country's geography don't they?

    If Israel’s coastline were twice as long, and they had 5 airports, and their border with Egypt were three times longer, it would not matter. They would stop any infiltration.

    Why?

    Because their leaders care about their population That is all that it takes. If you have the will, there is a way. They figured out how to stop rockets, something everyone said could not be done.

    The US is richer than Israel. We have the best universities and engineers in the world. We can do anything they have done.

    But our leaders don’t care about our people. It is that and not the length of our coastlines or borders and airports.

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  18. @unit472
    Puerto Rico alert. At 8:00PM EDT Hurricane Maria was upgraded to Category 5. It will pass right over Puerto Rico on Wednesday. A glancing blow from Irma took out electric power to about 25% of the island's population. This storm should make it close to 100%.

    The island territory is already bankrupt and depopulating. "Maria" maybe the coup de grace that sends a flood of penniless paupers flying to the mainland.

    The island territory is already bankrupt and depopulating. “Maria” maybe the coup de grace that sends a flood of penniless paupers flying to the mainland.

    As far as i can tell all the Puerto Ricans are already living in metro Orlando. (Where i’ll arrive on the red-eye Wednesday morning to check on our damage from Irma.) There can’t be a whole lot of them left on the island.

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  19. @Albus_Scirocco
    That's why They don't want to build a wall here.

    Because it works.

    With the exception of minor Israeli politician Benjamin Netanyahu, of course…

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  20. The fence is quite effective because it has sensors and cameras on it, and this alerts the soldiers patrolling nearby.

    The reaction time is not immediate though, but can take a few minute before an IDF patrol arrives at the site of intrusion. There are actually videos of Arabs getting away with smuggling drugs over the fence (throwing them over, to Arab smugglers on the other sides).

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    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    The reaction time is not immediate though, but can take a few minute before an IDF patrol arrives at the site of intrusion.

    Is there some constitutional thing preventing the military from patrolling the US border?
    , @Anonymous
    The USG (specifically, DHS) spends hundreds of millions of dollars on technology for tunnel detection. There are major defense/science/govt contractors in U.S. working on this stuff. Ph.D. geophysicists, engineers, etc., whose work at these major contractors is solely tunnel detection technology.

    But none of it is for the U.S., mind you. The work is done in coordination with, and solely for, Israel.

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  21. @anony-mouse
    This website should have a function that allows easy pasting of previous comments.

    In its absence I'll repeat.

    Israel has a very short coastline.
    Israel has one major international airport.
    Israel has no islands.

    So for a human to try to infiltrate into Israel-basically has to be done on (or under) land. This is why Hamas keeps digging tunnels. If Israel had just one island things might be different. But its doesn't so they aren't.

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country's geography don't they?

    As a result of the fence stopping the land route for illegal immigration across the Sinai, the new trend of illegal immigration to Israel involves people coming in by air on tourist visas as part of pilgrimage groups (usually from African countries), and then refusing to leave when their visa expires.

    While the elected government of Israel is strong against illegal immigration, the legal system is the opposite. Israel has extremely liberal laws when it comes to deporting illegal immigrants – and the illegal immigrants in Israel often stay for years, posing significant problems in terms of their crime rates, while at the same time the Supreme Court refuses to allow their deportation. This is why Israel is forced to experiment with concepts like ‘voluntary departure’ (where they offer thousands of dollars to each illegal immigrant to leave – and the number of them taking up the offer each year is not very high).

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    • Replies: @Moshe
    Very true.

    The Supreme Court has been a MAJOR problem for Israel for decades.

    It was probably better when Elon was on it but I don't know.

    Did the Court ever get in Begin's way? They have been getting in Bibi's since the 90's.
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  22. Veracitor says:

    Impossible. If you build a 30-foot wall invaders will just use a 33-foot ladder!

    We know a wall can’t possibly work, so we absolutely must not build one. Our culture forbids spending money on quack nostrums to placate unsophisticated voters, unjustly-enrich crony contractors, and ensconce hordes of Democrat-voting bureaucrats in do-nothing jobs. That is why we never finance programs like Head Start! We mustn’t distract opponents of mass immigration by letting them busy themselves in some godforsaken desert like Southern Arizona building a pointless wall that won’t work.

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    It is literally impossible to stop those high-energy paragons of industriousness! They will step over The Wall on 32-foot stilts or cave it in with a juggernaut of bodies like Japanese infantry throwing themselves on the barbed wire to clear a path for the next wave!

    They literally have superhuman powers, and any resistance is futile. The only mystery is why they didn't swallow us up with a casual gulp long ago.
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  23. @Moshe
    Upsetting to see there are still that many aild africans there.

    They deported just 2 thousand out of 40??

    Those 38k are the equivalent of 3,000,000 in the US.

    That's a lot.

    Not to mention all the non-jewish romanians, thais, russians, ethiopians....

    What an ignorant and racist comment – although I should expect such rednecks on this blog. Ethiopian and Russian speaking Israelis are Israeli citizens, who are almost universally conscripted in the IDF, and have come to the country through the Law of Return, with the same nativity to the country as anyone else. They are Israelis as much as anyone is an Israeli. (And the contribution is immense: e.g. 60% of the maths and science faculty staff in Israel’s universities are such ‘Russians’, as you ignorantly label Russian-speaking Israelis).

    Thais and Romanians in Israel are usually guest workers, who come legally under the government’s guest worker program, with fixed employment and a company sponsoring them.

    The infiltrators are illegal immigrants, who arrive from countries with which Israel is legally unable to return them (such as Sudan and Eritrea). The Supreme Court means that they cannot be deported from Israel – and this is why Israel is experimenting (mainly unsuccessfully) with the concept of ‘voluntary departure’, by which they are paid thousands of dollars in exchange for leaving to a third-party country (such as Uganda or Kenya).

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    • Replies: @Moshe
    You learned English from the wrong books bro!

    "Ignorant" does not mean what you think it means, nor does "racist" or "redneck".

    The guest workers leave Jews out of work. (or will rugalech rot in the fields?) As should have been the case from the start - Avodah Ivrit (Jewish
    aka Citizenist Jobs). Plus some get Israelis pregnant or otherwise inport their families and stay indefinitely. (I know such families.)

    As for the Ethiopians as well as those Russians who are goyim d'oraysa (washed in the blood gentiles), yeah, they're Israeli, which is why it's worse than infiltrators who have no citizenship. Better they be in the shadows than in the light.

    As for coflating these achievements you mention, they're 95% by Russians who have at least 2 Jewish grandparents. Not much from the vodka and pork driven cross-wearing sort.

    Israel does not need more gentiles.

    As for the Ethiopians, yes, some are awesome but ultimately they should not be brought to Israel and the endless stream of "falasha mura" and such nonsense should never have happened.

    , @Anonym
    What is to stop Israel just booking a flight for these people and putting them on it? Or a direct flight with parachutes? Maybe use a "through deception thou shalt wage war" type approach, e.g. offer free all expense paid trips to Hawaii with an unscheduled pitstop to, I don't know, some country that is not going to fight back. It's not like Sudan is going to invade Israel over this.
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  24. Moshe says:
    @Paul Rise
    OT: Tattoos, piercings and scarification now widespread and normal say US pediatricians. (Because what's abnormal about a bone in your nose when you can permanently mutilate yourself and "become" a man or woman?)

    http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-tattoos-piercings-pediatricians-20170918-story.html

    I’m in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There’s a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

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    • Replies: @res
    Some statistics that might help this conversation:

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/tattoo-statistics/
    http://www.theharrispoll.com/health-and-life/Tattoo_Takeover.html

    The latter has percentage with tattoos by sex 2003-2015. The recent increase is larger for women than for men.

    I did not do a thorough check on these numbers. The first link seems reasonable to me. The second link has totals for all adults which seem large to me, but I would expect a Harris poll to be reasonably accurate.

    P.S. I think the Narrative is currently normalizing tattoos so it is wise to be cautious about accepting data uncritically (cf. Trump polls).
    , @AM
    "WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?"

    Tattoos on women are depressingly common where I live, particularly young working mothers. :(

    My sister in law got one before they started to spread like ugly rash across the nation. It appears to be a need to feel like she's an individual while doing something everyone knows is painful.

    I am convinced the pain factor is part of the attraction in an era where we can give anesthesia so getting anesthesia isn't so painful.

    The difference between the tattooed and not in the female gender appears to be the level of contentment about their lives. Females who are observant in any faith don't seem to feel the need to get one, by causal observation. It would make an interesting study.
    , @BRF
    Here in NZ the young police are inked up as much as the crims.
    Keeping it real.
    Receptionist at the doctor's surgery this morning , arms festooned with tramp stamps, in her early 40's.
    otherwise well presented.
    , @Alden
    I almost never see tattooes on men or women and half my tenants are college students.

    I see fewer tattooes than I did 20 years ago. Maybe it's going out of style.
    , @Anonymous
    When I was a boy, back in the day, the only persons you saw with tattoos were rather dodgy, middle-aged working-class men.
    , @Wilkey
    None on me, few in my office. Tattoos are still disproportionately a blue collar thing, with granola college kids (i.e., state u. liberal arts grads who invariably end up working in a field not remotely related to their major) being the primary exception.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I think tatoos may have peaked. About 10 years, it seemed really trendy. A lot of young people are still getting them, but it seems to have died a bit in popularity.

    An interesting but little remarked aspect of tatooing is that it's something that's much more effective on light-skinned people. My guess is that in the age of BLM, facial piercings and other forms of non-hue self-disfigurement are increasing in popularity vis-a-vis tatoos.
    , @AndrewR
    Tats and sluttiness have a virtually perfect correlation.
    , @Corn
    I'm 37, and live in the American Midwest. Sometimes I feel like I'm a minority being untattooed. I doubt I am, but feel like it sometimes. Tattoos are distressingly common amongst people under 40. I hate them myself. As far as I'm concerned they're just self mutilation. They really make me question a person's judgement. Plus the reasons people give you for getting their tattoos will make one question the value of universal suffrage.
    , @Lagertha
    I see a decline of tattoos: it now signals "conformist" rather than "alluring individualist." My experience with women/young women I know not having tattoos: it's a bit of a class thing. Young women on the beaches of Nantucket don't sport tattoos unlike the ones on the Cape, RI beaches, even the Vineyard. And, very confident women don't have them.

    Now, living with melanoma (too much sun exposure as a child), a dermatologist relative of mine said that never allow my children to get tattoos: there is evidence that injecting dyes (metals/chemicals) into your derma basically, beckons carcinoma, melanoma, etc. The skin (your largest organ) doesn't like weird stuff injected into it. I actually know of old people, in particular, that are now getting all those dyes sucked out of their body. Old people and full-body tattoos...ewww.

    The basic idea is: we still don't have all the facts about breast implants, tattoos, piercings (especially with metal on skin) about the long-term effects. We do know that tanning beds lead to melanoma. However, if a tumor grows undetected for years, it leads to a horribly painful death as the cancer cells have traveled through-out your body (Bob Marley). So, being the scaredy cat I am, there was no way - glad my millennial sons agree.

    On the other hand, I have a few friends that have a special, small tattoo that bears some meaning to them...all of them, fairly hidden...a personal message or symbol of some kind. I detest those tattoos that are all over arms, neck and face, torso...I don't know why I feel that it is disgusting.

    , @jesse helms think-alike
    To me when I see tattoos a little voice in my head screams "trash!"
    I can reluctantly accept someone with one or two small tattoos but many large tattoos or sleeves irredeemably puts that person on my shitlist whatever their qualities may be.

    This may be generational. When I was young in the sixties only warvets had tattoos and they would be small anchors or arrow pierced hearts or somesuch.
    That generation has mostly died off but sometimes I still encounter elderly men with faded wartime tattoos. For the longest time no one had tattoos. Since the nineties there has been a plague of them and it seems to be getting worse.
    , @SteveRogers42
    As Andrew mentioned, tats on chix are a major slut tell. An even better correlation than "If they smoke, they poke."
    , @StillCARealist
    The women I see with tattoos are all blue collar workers, single mothers, and overall look-at-me-won't-you! types. If I weren't a sweet little mommy I'd call them fat white chicks.

    the markings barely exist in my socially conservative circles.
    , @Brutusale
    As a waggish friend once said, almost many a woman's tattoo really says "Ask me about my abuse as a child!".
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  25. Moshe says:
    @Dmitry134564
    As a result of the fence stopping the land route for illegal immigration across the Sinai, the new trend of illegal immigration to Israel involves people coming in by air on tourist visas as part of pilgrimage groups (usually from African countries), and then refusing to leave when their visa expires.

    While the elected government of Israel is strong against illegal immigration, the legal system is the opposite. Israel has extremely liberal laws when it comes to deporting illegal immigrants - and the illegal immigrants in Israel often stay for years, posing significant problems in terms of their crime rates, while at the same time the Supreme Court refuses to allow their deportation. This is why Israel is forced to experiment with concepts like 'voluntary departure' (where they offer thousands of dollars to each illegal immigrant to leave - and the number of them taking up the offer each year is not very high).

    Very true.

    The Supreme Court has been a MAJOR problem for Israel for decades.

    It was probably better when Elon was on it but I don’t know.

    Did the Court ever get in Begin’s way? They have been getting in Bibi’s since the 90′s.

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  26. @anony-mouse
    This website should have a function that allows easy pasting of previous comments.

    In its absence I'll repeat.

    Israel has a very short coastline.
    Israel has one major international airport.
    Israel has no islands.

    So for a human to try to infiltrate into Israel-basically has to be done on (or under) land. This is why Hamas keeps digging tunnels. If Israel had just one island things might be different. But its doesn't so they aren't.

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country's geography don't they?

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country’s geography don’t they?

    What you’d do if you were sincere about stemming the flow of illegal entries is to begin by taking away the most easily achievable options with high success ratios. You’d put up physical barriers where people routinely cross on foot or by vehicle.

    Could that divert the flow to other means? I suppose so. But those means would be more difficult and expensive with a lower ratio of success.

    What you wouldn’t do if you were sincere is propose that any effort that isn’t 100% effective can’t be implemented.

    One imagines that the Israelis are fairly protective of their Mediterranean Coast. My only data point is an obscure show about a Canadian couple who sails around the world called “Distant Shores.” Maybe they’re closet antisemites and anti-Zionists, but they did depict a rather thorough entry process when sailing from points in the Med into Israel. That seems more like a matter of will and resources than geography.

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    What you wouldn’t do if you were sincere is propose that any effort that isn’t 100% effective can’t be implemented.

    An exchange from several years ago, very roughly recalled, with a fairly prominent leftwing blogger:

    Me: "We should block illegals from getting drivers licenses."
    Him: "That won't stop them. They'll drive anyway."
    Me: "We should eliminate in-state tuition for illegals."
    Him: "That won't stop them. They'll still stay here, but won't be educated."
    Me: "We should level serious fines on businesses caught employing them."
    Him: "That won't stop them. They'll work off the books."

    Me: "Well what would you suggest we do to keep illegals from coming here?"
    Him: [crickets...]

    These people lie through their teeth. They don't want our immigration laws enforced against anyone, for any reason.
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  28. Moses says:

    Someone should tell the Israelis that walls don’t work. Chuck Schumer, where are ye?

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  29. res says:
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    Some statistics that might help this conversation:

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/tattoo-statistics/

    http://www.theharrispoll.com/health-and-life/Tattoo_Takeover.html

    The latter has percentage with tattoos by sex 2003-2015. The recent increase is larger for women than for men.

    I did not do a thorough check on these numbers. The first link seems reasonable to me. The second link has totals for all adults which seem large to me, but I would expect a Harris poll to be reasonably accurate.

    P.S. I think the Narrative is currently normalizing tattoos so it is wise to be cautious about accepting data uncritically (cf. Trump polls).

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  30. @anony-mouse
    This website should have a function that allows easy pasting of previous comments.

    In its absence I'll repeat.

    Israel has a very short coastline.
    Israel has one major international airport.
    Israel has no islands.

    So for a human to try to infiltrate into Israel-basically has to be done on (or under) land. This is why Hamas keeps digging tunnels. If Israel had just one island things might be different. But its doesn't so they aren't.

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country's geography don't they?

    Hilarious how you’re trying to obscure the fact that fewer and more difficult options means fewer illegals.

    If you didn’t think it would work you’d be in favor of it, wouldn’t you? We’d get just as many Undocumented Democrats, and Trump would look foolish.

    A wall that didn’t work wouldn’t scare you at all. But the wall terrifies you.

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    A wall would work only against the most stupid.

    1/ Europe is being invaded by people who reach the many islands in the Mediterranean

    Eg. The European (Greek) island of Lesbos is 3.4 miles from Asia (Turkey)

    It's 70 miles between Africa (Tunisia) and Europe (Lampedusa)

    It's 89 miles between Tijuana and the uninhabited US island of San Clemente.

    It's 50 miles from the Bahamas to Florida.

    During the 1980's (as Steve has pointed out) Florida was big point of transhipment for cocaine and during prohibition it was a big are of transhipment for liquor.

    But don't worry moving people will be impossible.

    2/ Does the Israeli barrier have anything that looks like this, the Santa Elena Canyon?

    http://www.americansouthwest.net/texas/big_bend/santa_elena_canyon.html

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  31. @Dmitry134564
    The fence is quite effective because it has sensors and cameras on it, and this alerts the soldiers patrolling nearby.

    The reaction time is not immediate though, but can take a few minute before an IDF patrol arrives at the site of intrusion. There are actually videos of Arabs getting away with smuggling drugs over the fence (throwing them over, to Arab smugglers on the other sides).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4bBR4SKh-A

    The reaction time is not immediate though, but can take a few minute before an IDF patrol arrives at the site of intrusion.

    Is there some constitutional thing preventing the military from patrolling the US border?

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    Is there some constitutional thing preventing the military from patrolling the US border?
     
    Not at all. Defending us from invasion is after all their job.

    Trump could order some divisions down there right now. And he could order the Army Corp of Engineers to start bulldozing, clearing the border, building a road and putting up a fence. Has not done it.
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  32. Moses says:
    @Mark Caplan
    Related in view of Ken Burns' Vietnam War series on PBS, Army strategist Col. Harry G. Summers argued in On Strategy that a defensive wall of troop emplacements along the North-South border would have led to victory. Here's a summary from Commentary Magazine's review of Summer's book:

    Colonel Summers would seem to prefer, in retrospect, a strategy of battlefield isolation. The United States Army (aided by the South Koreans and perhaps crack South Vietnamese units) should have isolated South Vietnam from its northern enemy by occupying a line extending from the sea to the Thai border. Behind that line the South Vietnamese could have quashed the Vietcong insurgency and, with our aid, created an effective conventional force to cope with the North Vietnamese. Our strategy thus would have been one of active defense, i.e., a strategy aimed at denying the enemy access to the battlefield. Instead we chose a strategically passive defense, which involved reacting to enemy infiltration with a multitude of search-and-destroy missions. This tactical offensive did indeed kill hundreds of thousands of enemy troops, but it left the initiative with the North, as the offensives of 1968 and 1972 demonstrated.
     
    It's the same story today as we seek and deport hundreds of thousands of infiltrators instead of barring their entry in the first place.

    Lewis Sorley, a US Army veteran and historian, makes a compelling case that the Vietnam war basically was won by 1972 in his book “A Better War.”

    Although a devastating propaganda loss for the US and South Vietnam, the Tet offensive of 1968 was a military disaster for the Viet Cong and eliminated them as a fighting force. That, and William Westmoreland’s replacement, Creighton Abrams, changed strategy immediately after taking command in 1968 to de-emphasize ineffective search and destroy missions in favor of interdicting enemy supplies and holding territory.

    By early 1972 the insurgency in South Vietnam was over and the countryside peaceful. The South Vietnamese army successfully pushed back the regular North Vietnamese army in the Easter Offensive invasion later in 1972 with assistance from US air power. It took the North 3 years to recover and mount another operation in 1975. By that time Nixon was distracted (to put it mildly) by Watergate and Congress tied his hands by prohibiting further assistance to South Vietnam through the Church Amendment. The North was still receiving substantial aid from China and the USSR. Without US additional assistance the South crumbled in 1975.

    Abrams had the strategy right. If he had relieved Westy a few years earlier things might have turned out differently. Of course, the South Vietnamese govt was corrupt to the core and illegitimate in the eyes of the South Vietnamese. That didn’t help. (Contrary to popular belief the Southerners did not want to become commies and suffered terribly after the war).

    Should America have been involved in Vietnam? With the benefit of hindsight my conclusion is no. It was a civil war with no compelling American interests at stake. It was total waste of blood and treasure. I could say the same thing about South Korea.

    Vietnam did turn pink in 1975. No dominoes fell. Vietnam entered a period of severe privation as the Communists implemented commie economic policies with predictable results. The funny (or tragic) part is that the Vietnamese people have suffered terribly under Communism. They got rid of foreign influence, but installed what basically is a kleptocracy.

    But at the time I can see the logic of “stopping communism.” I’m now opposed to all foreign adventures unless there is a direct threat to the security of the USA.

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    "No dominoes fell."

    What about Cambodia? How many people died there in the killing fields?
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  33. AM says:
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    “WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?”

    Tattoos on women are depressingly common where I live, particularly young working mothers. :(

    My sister in law got one before they started to spread like ugly rash across the nation. It appears to be a need to feel like she’s an individual while doing something everyone knows is painful.

    I am convinced the pain factor is part of the attraction in an era where we can give anesthesia so getting anesthesia isn’t so painful.

    The difference between the tattooed and not in the female gender appears to be the level of contentment about their lives. Females who are observant in any faith don’t seem to feel the need to get one, by causal observation. It would make an interesting study.

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    I'm pretty sure that there is, sociologically speaking, a direct correlation between individual female sexual promiscuity and the number and size of tattoos a woman sports.

    The correlation between male criminality and tattooing is old and well known.

    Also, I'd be interested to hear of any data concerning mental illness and sexual perversion and the correlation with 'extreme' and facial tattooing, and also IQ correlation with the same.
    , @3g4me
    @ #33 AM: "Tattoos on women are depressingly common where I live, particularly young working mothers."

    I cannot speak to how many young working mothers have them, as my kids are mostly grown and I do not work outside my home. But here in the Dallas suburbs, they are distressingly common. Most White women at the gym - young and old - have them. I have a personal theory that it's part of the "flight from White" - lovely, lithe young White women defacing their fair skin which signifies their genetic heritage. It's a violent and jarring reminder that they reject their own historical, cultural, and racial identity.

    My older son has a number of tattoos, although my husband and I were strongly opposed (when he's over 18 and living on his own, you have no real leverage). He has very legitimate-sounding reasons for what each individual tattoo means to him, but even he will admit that part of his motivation was not to be seen as the high-IQ nerd in his military unit and to demonstrate his cultural and racial solidarity with his friends. FWIW, almost none of them are visible as long as he wears at least a short-sleeved t-shirt, and it's been about 3 years since his last, so hopefully it's run its course. The son of one of my husband's closest friends did the same when he joined the Marines, but although he's been out a few years, his tattooing has increased to where he's covered with them. It really saddens me.
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  34. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mark Caplan
    Related in view of Ken Burns' Vietnam War series on PBS, Army strategist Col. Harry G. Summers argued in On Strategy that a defensive wall of troop emplacements along the North-South border would have led to victory. Here's a summary from Commentary Magazine's review of Summer's book:

    Colonel Summers would seem to prefer, in retrospect, a strategy of battlefield isolation. The United States Army (aided by the South Koreans and perhaps crack South Vietnamese units) should have isolated South Vietnam from its northern enemy by occupying a line extending from the sea to the Thai border. Behind that line the South Vietnamese could have quashed the Vietcong insurgency and, with our aid, created an effective conventional force to cope with the North Vietnamese. Our strategy thus would have been one of active defense, i.e., a strategy aimed at denying the enemy access to the battlefield. Instead we chose a strategically passive defense, which involved reacting to enemy infiltration with a multitude of search-and-destroy missions. This tactical offensive did indeed kill hundreds of thousands of enemy troops, but it left the initiative with the North, as the offensives of 1968 and 1972 demonstrated.
     
    It's the same story today as we seek and deport hundreds of thousands of infiltrators instead of barring their entry in the first place.

    My Dad fought in Viet Nam. His suggestion was exactly that – creating a treeless area with a fence, IIRC.

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  35. BRF says:
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    Here in NZ the young police are inked up as much as the crims.
    Keeping it real.
    Receptionist at the doctor’s surgery this morning , arms festooned with tramp stamps, in her early 40′s.
    otherwise well presented.

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  36. @Paul Rise
    OT: Tattoos, piercings and scarification now widespread and normal say US pediatricians. (Because what's abnormal about a bone in your nose when you can permanently mutilate yourself and "become" a man or woman?)

    http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-tattoos-piercings-pediatricians-20170918-story.html

    Tattoos on Black people seem to be a non-starter if they are trying to display art; it just doesn’t seem to compliment them in an artistic sense. I’ve seen tattoos on the legs of beautiful white women downtown Chicago; ladies, you are messing up the aesthetics of what nature has bequeathed you with.

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    I’ve seen tattoos on the legs of beautiful white women downtown Chicago; ladies, you are messing up the aesthetics of what nature has bequeathed you with.
     
    Exactly right, Joe. AnotherMom having moved us to the beach, I've had my brain dipped in just how godawful ugly America has become.

    I give some allowance for how "unattractive" us old fogies--and we dominate the beach in peak winter--look. But to see what younger folks look like now--oh my God. The only thing more depressingly ugly than porcine waddlers tatted up is seeing what would otherwise be a pretty young women rocking her bikini, but for arm or leg or torso pumped full of ink.

    God, nature has given you a gift of such incredible youthful beauty--a transient gift, that you have but a few years to bask in and enjoy--and you choose instead of appreciating, to deface and destroy it. Very sad. And just wrong.

    We live in very strange, very bad times.

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  37. @unit472
    Puerto Rico alert. At 8:00PM EDT Hurricane Maria was upgraded to Category 5. It will pass right over Puerto Rico on Wednesday. A glancing blow from Irma took out electric power to about 25% of the island's population. This storm should make it close to 100%.

    The island territory is already bankrupt and depopulating. "Maria" maybe the coup de grace that sends a flood of penniless paupers flying to the mainland.

    Uh-oh. Maria might turn Puerto Rico into a Latin Haiti.

    The US should have cut that place loose generations ago.

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    Too late. Puerto Rican independence ceased to be a popular goal after WW2 when migration to the US kicked into high gear, and then as the welfare state grew. There is no way they would voluntarily pull their proboscis out of the US vein. You would have to send in the Marines now to "de-occupy" Puerto Rico at bayonet point and cut them loose. Even if you did that the immigrants would just turn into a flood of refugees.
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  38. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS and Infantile Traitors.

    Israel deals effectively with both.

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  39. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    The fence is quite effective because it has sensors and cameras on it, and this alerts the soldiers patrolling nearby.

    The reaction time is not immediate though, but can take a few minute before an IDF patrol arrives at the site of intrusion. There are actually videos of Arabs getting away with smuggling drugs over the fence (throwing them over, to Arab smugglers on the other sides).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4bBR4SKh-A

    The USG (specifically, DHS) spends hundreds of millions of dollars on technology for tunnel detection. There are major defense/science/govt contractors in U.S. working on this stuff. Ph.D. geophysicists, engineers, etc., whose work at these major contractors is solely tunnel detection technology.

    But none of it is for the U.S., mind you. The work is done in coordination with, and solely for, Israel.

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    I believe the research on tunnel detection that will be used by Israel is being conducted in Israel, although with a significant part of the funding having been provided by the US (through Congress).

    The reason it's needed is to protect Gaza border communities, because Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza are building tunnels into Israel, with the aim of attacking Gaza border towns and kidnapping Israelis. Destroying the tunnels was the reason for the last IDF ground operation in Gaza, in which around 60 soldiers were killed.

    The US, fortunately, doesn't face that level of threat and the situation is not really at all comparable to the Gaza border.

    Sailer was correct in this article to draw a comparison between Israel's Egyptian Border Fence and the US Southern border.

    The fence built on the Egyptian border is a good model for the US and was built to fight the same problems that the US faces (illegal immigration and drug smuggling).

    The fortifications around Gaza are much stronger (more comparable to the border between South and North Korea), with turrets armed with machine guns and rocket launchers - which are remotely controlled by girls in an office.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBW9P6mragU
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  40. Moshe says:
    @Dmitry134564
    What an ignorant and racist comment - although I should expect such rednecks on this blog. Ethiopian and Russian speaking Israelis are Israeli citizens, who are almost universally conscripted in the IDF, and have come to the country through the Law of Return, with the same nativity to the country as anyone else. They are Israelis as much as anyone is an Israeli. (And the contribution is immense: e.g. 60% of the maths and science faculty staff in Israel's universities are such 'Russians', as you ignorantly label Russian-speaking Israelis).

    Thais and Romanians in Israel are usually guest workers, who come legally under the government's guest worker program, with fixed employment and a company sponsoring them.

    The infiltrators are illegal immigrants, who arrive from countries with which Israel is legally unable to return them (such as Sudan and Eritrea). The Supreme Court means that they cannot be deported from Israel - and this is why Israel is experimenting (mainly unsuccessfully) with the concept of 'voluntary departure', by which they are paid thousands of dollars in exchange for leaving to a third-party country (such as Uganda or Kenya).

    You learned English from the wrong books bro!

    “Ignorant” does not mean what you think it means, nor does “racist” or “redneck”.

    The guest workers leave Jews out of work. (or will rugalech rot in the fields?) As should have been the case from the start – Avodah Ivrit (Jewish
    aka Citizenist Jobs). Plus some get Israelis pregnant or otherwise inport their families and stay indefinitely. (I know such families.)

    As for the Ethiopians as well as those Russians who are goyim d’oraysa (washed in the blood gentiles), yeah, they’re Israeli, which is why it’s worse than infiltrators who have no citizenship. Better they be in the shadows than in the light.

    As for coflating these achievements you mention, they’re 95% by Russians who have at least 2 Jewish grandparents. Not much from the vodka and pork driven cross-wearing sort.

    Israel does not need more gentiles.

    As for the Ethiopians, yes, some are awesome but ultimately they should not be brought to Israel and the endless stream of “falasha mura” and such nonsense should never have happened.

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    , @Dmitry134564

    The guest workers leave Jews out of work. (or will rugalech rot in the fields?) As should have been the case from the start – Avodah Ivrit (Jewish
    aka Citizenist Jobs).
     
    They don't leave people out of work. I don't know if I need to explain, but you won't find many young people in Israel (or any other developed country) interested in entering the profession of vegetable picking, or caring for old people.

    The fact there are such guest workers, is the only thing which makes, for example, hiring carers for your old relatives affordable for non-millionaires. The contribution of many of the foreign guest workers to the country has been better than that of many native-born citizens. And it is a lot safer than the alternative, of bringing in workers from the West Bank or Jordan.

    BTW almost nobody is out of work who doesn't want to be in Israel - the unemployment rate is at record lows. The main problem of labor at the moment, is the lack of interest in labor force participation among two sectors of the population: Haredi men, and Arab women.


    As for the Ethiopians as well as those Russians who are goyim d’oraysa (washed in the blood gentiles), yeah, they’re Israeli, which is why it’s worse than infiltrators who have no citizenship. Better they be in the shadows than in the light.
     
    In the light, as patriotic Israeli citizens.

    As for coflating these achievements you mention, they’re 95% by Russians who have at least 2 Jewish grandparents. Not much from the vodka and pork driven cross-wearing sort.
     
    The most intelligent person I know who lives in Israel, is only there because his wife had Jewish descent. He is pre-eminent scientist and has become full professor, leading international research teams. And likewise you will find similar stories across the Russian-speaking public in Israel - who, there is no doubt, have done more than anything to bring culture and science to the country.

    It's also funny you mention pork. You will find in Israel that eating pork is positively correlated with education status and social class. I.e. the more educated and middle class the Israeli, the more likely they are to eat pork. I'd predict you could probably also track an inverse correlation between eating pork in Israel and violent behaviour, or between eating pork and labour force non-participation, or between eating pork and bad taste in music. And that's coming from someone who generally avoids eating pork, since it doesn't taste very good.

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  41. Everyone including Steve thinks the wall works 100 percent. The problem is there are check points at the border and Jose is being smuggled in a truck or Car. There are lots of tunnels through out the border area where people and drugs are smuggled. Third, in California more illegal immigrants come via boat. So, a wall doesn’t prevent Jose from coming in on a boat. I’m not against a wall but it will not worked 100 percent with the above situations which are common at the border area. Mexico and US is different than Israeli. Coyotes make a lot of money bringing folks in and will find some ways of bypassing a wall. How about hiring 20,000 border people as well. Granted, some are bribe but this is needed as well.

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  42. Anonym says:
    @Dmitry134564
    What an ignorant and racist comment - although I should expect such rednecks on this blog. Ethiopian and Russian speaking Israelis are Israeli citizens, who are almost universally conscripted in the IDF, and have come to the country through the Law of Return, with the same nativity to the country as anyone else. They are Israelis as much as anyone is an Israeli. (And the contribution is immense: e.g. 60% of the maths and science faculty staff in Israel's universities are such 'Russians', as you ignorantly label Russian-speaking Israelis).

    Thais and Romanians in Israel are usually guest workers, who come legally under the government's guest worker program, with fixed employment and a company sponsoring them.

    The infiltrators are illegal immigrants, who arrive from countries with which Israel is legally unable to return them (such as Sudan and Eritrea). The Supreme Court means that they cannot be deported from Israel - and this is why Israel is experimenting (mainly unsuccessfully) with the concept of 'voluntary departure', by which they are paid thousands of dollars in exchange for leaving to a third-party country (such as Uganda or Kenya).

    What is to stop Israel just booking a flight for these people and putting them on it? Or a direct flight with parachutes? Maybe use a “through deception thou shalt wage war” type approach, e.g. offer free all expense paid trips to Hawaii with an unscheduled pitstop to, I don’t know, some country that is not going to fight back. It’s not like Sudan is going to invade Israel over this.

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    The Israeli Supreme Court is what stops it. They wield a lot of power.
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  43. @Guy de Champlagne
    The reaction time is not immediate though, but can take a few minute before an IDF patrol arrives at the site of intrusion.

    Is there some constitutional thing preventing the military from patrolling the US border?

    Is there some constitutional thing preventing the military from patrolling the US border?

    Not at all. Defending us from invasion is after all their job.

    Trump could order some divisions down there right now. And he could order the Army Corp of Engineers to start bulldozing, clearing the border, building a road and putting up a fence. Has not done it.

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  44. Alden says:
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    I almost never see tattooes on men or women and half my tenants are college students.

    I see fewer tattooes than I did 20 years ago. Maybe it’s going out of style.

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    Where you live must be very different from where I live. I'm shocked at the percentage of men and women I see that are heavily tattooed. Mostly working-class types wasting their money and advertising their low socio-economic status.
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  45. Big Bill says:
    @Moshe
    You learned English from the wrong books bro!

    "Ignorant" does not mean what you think it means, nor does "racist" or "redneck".

    The guest workers leave Jews out of work. (or will rugalech rot in the fields?) As should have been the case from the start - Avodah Ivrit (Jewish
    aka Citizenist Jobs). Plus some get Israelis pregnant or otherwise inport their families and stay indefinitely. (I know such families.)

    As for the Ethiopians as well as those Russians who are goyim d'oraysa (washed in the blood gentiles), yeah, they're Israeli, which is why it's worse than infiltrators who have no citizenship. Better they be in the shadows than in the light.

    As for coflating these achievements you mention, they're 95% by Russians who have at least 2 Jewish grandparents. Not much from the vodka and pork driven cross-wearing sort.

    Israel does not need more gentiles.

    As for the Ethiopians, yes, some are awesome but ultimately they should not be brought to Israel and the endless stream of "falasha mura" and such nonsense should never have happened.

    Amen, brother!

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  46. @Joe Stalin
    Tattoos on Black people seem to be a non-starter if they are trying to display art; it just doesn't seem to compliment them in an artistic sense. I've seen tattoos on the legs of beautiful white women downtown Chicago; ladies, you are messing up the aesthetics of what nature has bequeathed you with.

    I’ve seen tattoos on the legs of beautiful white women downtown Chicago; ladies, you are messing up the aesthetics of what nature has bequeathed you with.

    Exactly right, Joe. AnotherMom having moved us to the beach, I’ve had my brain dipped in just how godawful ugly America has become.

    I give some allowance for how “unattractive” us old fogies–and we dominate the beach in peak winter–look. But to see what younger folks look like now–oh my God. The only thing more depressingly ugly than porcine waddlers tatted up is seeing what would otherwise be a pretty young women rocking her bikini, but for arm or leg or torso pumped full of ink.

    God, nature has given you a gift of such incredible youthful beauty–a transient gift, that you have but a few years to bask in and enjoy–and you choose instead of appreciating, to deface and destroy it. Very sad. And just wrong.

    We live in very strange, very bad times.

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    Tattoos serve a useful purpose in this day and age. It's another tool to easily identify low-class people. Quickly.

    Tattoos only detract from a person. I see a beautiful woman and I think, "Wow, she's a unique beauty and seems sophisticated." Then I see a tattoo on her, even a small one on the wrist, ankle, neck, etc., and it's "Yuck, low-IQ skank." And if she comes across as friendly and smart, and I'm feeling non-judgmental, I just assume with the tat she must have emotional problems and came from a fucked-up family (poor breeding).

    , @Chrisnonymous
    It's not just bodies. Choice of clothes is horrendous too. I didn't really realize this until I came to Japan, where there are a lot of women who dress in very feminine western clothes.

    They still hold up Audrey Hepburn as a model of fashion... http://www.daimaru.co.jp/shinsaibashi/audrey/

    It could be like that in the US too. It could be. When I was growing up, I thought of phenomena such as radically evolving fashions as an unavoidable aspect of life, but it's not. Just look at men's business style, which has remained fundamentally unchanged for a century. 2010,2020, summer, fall... sure, fashions will change a little, but they don't have to go from flattering to baggy, dirty, ripped, revealing, etc. Living in the US, you kind of get used to the ugliness, but when you go somewhere else and come back, it's shocking. Of course, this is true of other countries in other ways as well--Japan's urban landscape is shockingly ugly considering how important aesthetics are in other aspects of life. They just don't notice the way Americans don't notice how ugly their physical appearances have become.
    , @27 year old
    I wonder if tattoos aren't part of the flight from White; if you have a full sleeve, you don't look as White anymore
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  47. @Wilbur Hassenfus
    Hilarious how you're trying to obscure the fact that fewer and more difficult options means fewer illegals.

    If you didn't think it would work you'd be in favor of it, wouldn't you? We'd get just as many Undocumented Democrats, and Trump would look foolish.

    A wall that didn't work wouldn't scare you at all. But the wall terrifies you.

    A wall would work only against the most stupid.

    1/ Europe is being invaded by people who reach the many islands in the Mediterranean

    Eg. The European (Greek) island of Lesbos is 3.4 miles from Asia (Turkey)

    It’s 70 miles between Africa (Tunisia) and Europe (Lampedusa)

    It’s 89 miles between Tijuana and the uninhabited US island of San Clemente.

    It’s 50 miles from the Bahamas to Florida.

    During the 1980′s (as Steve has pointed out) Florida was big point of transhipment for cocaine and during prohibition it was a big are of transhipment for liquor.

    But don’t worry moving people will be impossible.

    2/ Does the Israeli barrier have anything that looks like this, the Santa Elena Canyon?

    http://www.americansouthwest.net/texas/big_bend/santa_elena_canyon.html

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    Anony-mouse, i take it you don't lock your front door? Or your car either--in fact leave the keys in the ignition?

    Just to be charitable, i'll try.

    --> Mediteranean Islands.
    You do realize that the migrants on Lampedusa are trivially easy for the Italian authorities to catch and deport? They are surrounded by water--they're trapped! It's simply that the Italian government doesn't send them back anymore because they are "refugees", pout, pout. This is political policy failure, that turns Lampedusa into a migrant magnet.

    In contrast the US does not have a "one foot in you're in" policy. The Border Patrol deports hundreds of thousands of illegals who have crossed the border and are on US soil. It's what it does. There isn't some sort of "oh but you've reached an island" exception.

    Europe's problem is not islands but treating migrants as "refugees" who must be allowed in.
    Otherwise islands actually suck--once on them, the illegals have to immediately find a way back off them without being detected. The flights or ferries are easy bottlenecks to catch the invaders.

    --> Bahamas
    Yes the Bahamas are close to Florida. Which apparently makes getting into the US so easy that every Haitian who wants to has gotten out of that $800 per capita GDP hellhole through the Bahamas to Miami--where they'll be on Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and can stay. Oh wait ... 10 million of them are still there in Haiti? I guess they must really like living there on $800 a year.

    --> Santa Elena Canyon
    Love Santa Elena. Very striking. Took the kids there back in 2005 and hiked in.

    I must say that i'm pretty sure that no one has ever before pointed at a canyon with 1500 foot vertical walls on each side--in the middle of desert!--and said "see you just can't stop 'em because they'll go there".

    Back in the day TPTB built castles with high walls--a fraction of this height--to mimic such natural barriers and keep very determined people out.

    But yes, we will have to continue to staff the border patrol to man posts where the canyon(s) break out to flat ground and round up the illegal inner tubers. (Big Bend is a trivially easy place to deter and catch illegals. It's spectacular scenery but hideous countryside for survival--hundreds of miles of the Chihuahuan desert with no water and minimal road access out with low traffic. It ain't like wading the Rio Grande in the Valley.)
    , @SteveRogers42
    The NGO's provide boats and life jackets for the dusky hordes, and the freakin' Italian Coast Guard picks them up and brings them in!

    These people have never managed to develop the gumption or the technical skill to cross the Med in previous decades...The high-tech navies of France and Italy could easily intercept Soros' imports and take then back home, and they could just as easily destroy the boats on the beaches of Africa before they set sail.

    Either the Euro governments have no backbone at all, or they are actively conducting a treasonous replacement of their historical native populations. Take your pick.
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  48. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad

    I’ve seen tattoos on the legs of beautiful white women downtown Chicago; ladies, you are messing up the aesthetics of what nature has bequeathed you with.
     
    Exactly right, Joe. AnotherMom having moved us to the beach, I've had my brain dipped in just how godawful ugly America has become.

    I give some allowance for how "unattractive" us old fogies--and we dominate the beach in peak winter--look. But to see what younger folks look like now--oh my God. The only thing more depressingly ugly than porcine waddlers tatted up is seeing what would otherwise be a pretty young women rocking her bikini, but for arm or leg or torso pumped full of ink.

    God, nature has given you a gift of such incredible youthful beauty--a transient gift, that you have but a few years to bask in and enjoy--and you choose instead of appreciating, to deface and destroy it. Very sad. And just wrong.

    We live in very strange, very bad times.

    Tattoos serve a useful purpose in this day and age. It’s another tool to easily identify low-class people. Quickly.

    Tattoos only detract from a person. I see a beautiful woman and I think, “Wow, she’s a unique beauty and seems sophisticated.” Then I see a tattoo on her, even a small one on the wrist, ankle, neck, etc., and it’s “Yuck, low-IQ skank.” And if she comes across as friendly and smart, and I’m feeling non-judgmental, I just assume with the tat she must have emotional problems and came from a fucked-up family (poor breeding).

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  49. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/MrFrexit/status/909794701317951488

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    Not even the money arguments seem to wake Europe out of it's slumber.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Hurricane Mohammed.
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  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Shock! Horror!

    – having ‘walls’ to one’s house keeps the cold, the wind and the rain out.

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  51. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    When I was a boy, back in the day, the only persons you saw with tattoos were rather dodgy, middle-aged working-class men.

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  52. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AM
    "WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?"

    Tattoos on women are depressingly common where I live, particularly young working mothers. :(

    My sister in law got one before they started to spread like ugly rash across the nation. It appears to be a need to feel like she's an individual while doing something everyone knows is painful.

    I am convinced the pain factor is part of the attraction in an era where we can give anesthesia so getting anesthesia isn't so painful.

    The difference between the tattooed and not in the female gender appears to be the level of contentment about their lives. Females who are observant in any faith don't seem to feel the need to get one, by causal observation. It would make an interesting study.

    I’m pretty sure that there is, sociologically speaking, a direct correlation between individual female sexual promiscuity and the number and size of tattoos a woman sports.

    The correlation between male criminality and tattooing is old and well known.

    Also, I’d be interested to hear of any data concerning mental illness and sexual perversion and the correlation with ‘extreme’ and facial tattooing, and also IQ correlation with the same.

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    Face tats say: "I have completely rejected any pretense of adhering to any societal norms. Do not extend me the benefit of any doubt. I clearly have terrible judgement and I almost certainly am of highly disreputable character."
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  53. Wilkey says:
    @anony-mouse
    This website should have a function that allows easy pasting of previous comments.

    In its absence I'll repeat.

    Israel has a very short coastline.
    Israel has one major international airport.
    Israel has no islands.

    So for a human to try to infiltrate into Israel-basically has to be done on (or under) land. This is why Hamas keeps digging tunnels. If Israel had just one island things might be different. But its doesn't so they aren't.

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country's geography don't they?

    Israel has a very short coastline. Israel has one major international airport. Israel has no islands.

    1) Israel is far closer to various spewers of Muslim refugees than, say, Italy, yet apparently it doesn’t get many illegal infiltrators arriving by sea.

    2) Few US islands and only a small portion of our coastline is close to sending countries. To get from various US islands to the mainland you generally fly, and that means producing valid ID.

    3) I doubt that the length of Israel’s border, per capita, is much longer than that of the US, especially if you exclude our border with Canada. Our 2,000 mile border with Mexico would be equivalent to a 50 mile border in Israel.

    4) Cost? The cost of building, manning and maintaining a border fence with Mexico would be less than the cost of a single carrier strike group – of which the US currently has 11 – and far, far more relevant to the defense of the United States.

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  54. @anony-mouse
    A wall would work only against the most stupid.

    1/ Europe is being invaded by people who reach the many islands in the Mediterranean

    Eg. The European (Greek) island of Lesbos is 3.4 miles from Asia (Turkey)

    It's 70 miles between Africa (Tunisia) and Europe (Lampedusa)

    It's 89 miles between Tijuana and the uninhabited US island of San Clemente.

    It's 50 miles from the Bahamas to Florida.

    During the 1980's (as Steve has pointed out) Florida was big point of transhipment for cocaine and during prohibition it was a big are of transhipment for liquor.

    But don't worry moving people will be impossible.

    2/ Does the Israeli barrier have anything that looks like this, the Santa Elena Canyon?

    http://www.americansouthwest.net/texas/big_bend/santa_elena_canyon.html

    Anony-mouse, i take it you don’t lock your front door? Or your car either–in fact leave the keys in the ignition?

    Just to be charitable, i’ll try.

    –> Mediteranean Islands.
    You do realize that the migrants on Lampedusa are trivially easy for the Italian authorities to catch and deport? They are surrounded by water–they’re trapped! It’s simply that the Italian government doesn’t send them back anymore because they are “refugees”, pout, pout. This is political policy failure, that turns Lampedusa into a migrant magnet.

    In contrast the US does not have a “one foot in you’re in” policy. The Border Patrol deports hundreds of thousands of illegals who have crossed the border and are on US soil. It’s what it does. There isn’t some sort of “oh but you’ve reached an island” exception.

    Europe’s problem is not islands but treating migrants as “refugees” who must be allowed in.
    Otherwise islands actually suck–once on them, the illegals have to immediately find a way back off them without being detected. The flights or ferries are easy bottlenecks to catch the invaders.

    –> Bahamas
    Yes the Bahamas are close to Florida. Which apparently makes getting into the US so easy that every Haitian who wants to has gotten out of that $800 per capita GDP hellhole through the Bahamas to Miami–where they’ll be on Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and can stay. Oh wait … 10 million of them are still there in Haiti? I guess they must really like living there on $800 a year.

    –> Santa Elena Canyon
    Love Santa Elena. Very striking. Took the kids there back in 2005 and hiked in.

    I must say that i’m pretty sure that no one has ever before pointed at a canyon with 1500 foot vertical walls on each side–in the middle of desert!–and said “see you just can’t stop ‘em because they’ll go there”.

    Back in the day TPTB built castles with high walls–a fraction of this height–to mimic such natural barriers and keep very determined people out.

    But yes, we will have to continue to staff the border patrol to man posts where the canyon(s) break out to flat ground and round up the illegal inner tubers. (Big Bend is a trivially easy place to deter and catch illegals. It’s spectacular scenery but hideous countryside for survival–hundreds of miles of the Chihuahuan desert with no water and minimal road access out with low traffic. It ain’t like wading the Rio Grande in the Valley.)

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    Basically, the EU is absolutely and totally responsible for Europe's 'migrant' disaster.

    That's yet another - and the crowning - reason why I hate, detest, revile and execrate the god-damned EU.
    - and thank the Great British electorate for Brexit.
    , @SteveRogers42
    If there are unbuildable areas where our finest construction companies can't put up a wall, I hear there's this new thing called a helicopter -- and evidently the Border Patrol and the National Guard have a bunch of them. I know, right? Supposedly these things can be used for surveillance and interdiction. Crazy talk, I know...

    Then there's this other wild n' crazy technology called UAV's, or "drones" for short...
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  55. syonredux says:

    “Every society from a great nation down to a club had the right of declaring the conditions on which new members should be admitted, there can be room for no complaint.”

    Gouverneur Morris, the author of the Preamble to the Constitution

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  56. Wilkey says:
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    None on me, few in my office. Tattoos are still disproportionately a blue collar thing, with granola college kids (i.e., state u. liberal arts grads who invariably end up working in a field not remotely related to their major) being the primary exception.

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  57. Wilkey says:
    @Alec Leamas

    For someone trying to enter some other country, possible options depend on that country’s geography don’t they?
     
    What you'd do if you were sincere about stemming the flow of illegal entries is to begin by taking away the most easily achievable options with high success ratios. You'd put up physical barriers where people routinely cross on foot or by vehicle.

    Could that divert the flow to other means? I suppose so. But those means would be more difficult and expensive with a lower ratio of success.

    What you wouldn't do if you were sincere is propose that any effort that isn't 100% effective can't be implemented.

    One imagines that the Israelis are fairly protective of their Mediterranean Coast. My only data point is an obscure show about a Canadian couple who sails around the world called "Distant Shores." Maybe they're closet antisemites and anti-Zionists, but they did depict a rather thorough entry process when sailing from points in the Med into Israel. That seems more like a matter of will and resources than geography.

    What you wouldn’t do if you were sincere is propose that any effort that isn’t 100% effective can’t be implemented.

    An exchange from several years ago, very roughly recalled, with a fairly prominent leftwing blogger:

    Me: “We should block illegals from getting drivers licenses.”
    Him: “That won’t stop them. They’ll drive anyway.”
    Me: “We should eliminate in-state tuition for illegals.”
    Him: “That won’t stop them. They’ll still stay here, but won’t be educated.”
    Me: “We should level serious fines on businesses caught employing them.”
    Him: “That won’t stop them. They’ll work off the books.”

    Me: “Well what would you suggest we do to keep illegals from coming here?”
    Him: [crickets...]

    These people lie through their teeth. They don’t want our immigration laws enforced against anyone, for any reason.

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    "A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week".

    --George S. Patton
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  58. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad
    Anony-mouse, i take it you don't lock your front door? Or your car either--in fact leave the keys in the ignition?

    Just to be charitable, i'll try.

    --> Mediteranean Islands.
    You do realize that the migrants on Lampedusa are trivially easy for the Italian authorities to catch and deport? They are surrounded by water--they're trapped! It's simply that the Italian government doesn't send them back anymore because they are "refugees", pout, pout. This is political policy failure, that turns Lampedusa into a migrant magnet.

    In contrast the US does not have a "one foot in you're in" policy. The Border Patrol deports hundreds of thousands of illegals who have crossed the border and are on US soil. It's what it does. There isn't some sort of "oh but you've reached an island" exception.

    Europe's problem is not islands but treating migrants as "refugees" who must be allowed in.
    Otherwise islands actually suck--once on them, the illegals have to immediately find a way back off them without being detected. The flights or ferries are easy bottlenecks to catch the invaders.

    --> Bahamas
    Yes the Bahamas are close to Florida. Which apparently makes getting into the US so easy that every Haitian who wants to has gotten out of that $800 per capita GDP hellhole through the Bahamas to Miami--where they'll be on Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and can stay. Oh wait ... 10 million of them are still there in Haiti? I guess they must really like living there on $800 a year.

    --> Santa Elena Canyon
    Love Santa Elena. Very striking. Took the kids there back in 2005 and hiked in.

    I must say that i'm pretty sure that no one has ever before pointed at a canyon with 1500 foot vertical walls on each side--in the middle of desert!--and said "see you just can't stop 'em because they'll go there".

    Back in the day TPTB built castles with high walls--a fraction of this height--to mimic such natural barriers and keep very determined people out.

    But yes, we will have to continue to staff the border patrol to man posts where the canyon(s) break out to flat ground and round up the illegal inner tubers. (Big Bend is a trivially easy place to deter and catch illegals. It's spectacular scenery but hideous countryside for survival--hundreds of miles of the Chihuahuan desert with no water and minimal road access out with low traffic. It ain't like wading the Rio Grande in the Valley.)

    Basically, the EU is absolutely and totally responsible for Europe’s ‘migrant’ disaster.

    That’s yet another – and the crowning – reason why I hate, detest, revile and execrate the god-damned EU.
    - and thank the Great British electorate for Brexit.

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  59. @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    I think tatoos may have peaked. About 10 years, it seemed really trendy. A lot of young people are still getting them, but it seems to have died a bit in popularity.

    An interesting but little remarked aspect of tatooing is that it’s something that’s much more effective on light-skinned people. My guess is that in the age of BLM, facial piercings and other forms of non-hue self-disfigurement are increasing in popularity vis-a-vis tatoos.

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  60. @AnotherDad

    I’ve seen tattoos on the legs of beautiful white women downtown Chicago; ladies, you are messing up the aesthetics of what nature has bequeathed you with.
     
    Exactly right, Joe. AnotherMom having moved us to the beach, I've had my brain dipped in just how godawful ugly America has become.

    I give some allowance for how "unattractive" us old fogies--and we dominate the beach in peak winter--look. But to see what younger folks look like now--oh my God. The only thing more depressingly ugly than porcine waddlers tatted up is seeing what would otherwise be a pretty young women rocking her bikini, but for arm or leg or torso pumped full of ink.

    God, nature has given you a gift of such incredible youthful beauty--a transient gift, that you have but a few years to bask in and enjoy--and you choose instead of appreciating, to deface and destroy it. Very sad. And just wrong.

    We live in very strange, very bad times.

    It’s not just bodies. Choice of clothes is horrendous too. I didn’t really realize this until I came to Japan, where there are a lot of women who dress in very feminine western clothes.

    They still hold up Audrey Hepburn as a model of fashion… http://www.daimaru.co.jp/shinsaibashi/audrey/

    It could be like that in the US too. It could be. When I was growing up, I thought of phenomena such as radically evolving fashions as an unavoidable aspect of life, but it’s not. Just look at men’s business style, which has remained fundamentally unchanged for a century. 2010,2020, summer, fall… sure, fashions will change a little, but they don’t have to go from flattering to baggy, dirty, ripped, revealing, etc. Living in the US, you kind of get used to the ugliness, but when you go somewhere else and come back, it’s shocking. Of course, this is true of other countries in other ways as well–Japan’s urban landscape is shockingly ugly considering how important aesthetics are in other aspects of life. They just don’t notice the way Americans don’t notice how ugly their physical appearances have become.

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  61. @Guy de Champlagne
    Someone ought to point out that it's a fence not a wall.

    Someone ought to point out that it’s a fence not a wall.

    Exactly. Trump’s instincts are in the right place, it his proposed solution that is ludicrous and infeasible.

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  62. Karl says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    Israel has a very short coastline.

    Is this true relative to size of the country? The statistics cited is limited to people coming from the southern border so it doesn't count people coming along the Mediterranean coast (I'm assuming) but the Israelis must think theres some utility to the wall and that people won't just take a boat up the coast instead.

    6 Guy de Chamlange > Is this true relative to size of the country?

    The informative ratio, is to the amount of boats and men you have to patrol that coast.

    the guys in the Wasp-class patrol boats don’t think that they are getting oodles of free time before being put back to sea.

    the guys at the Naval Shipyard don’t think that they have oodles of time to complete a maintenance “availability” on one of the boats before the commander says that its needed back on the line

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  63. @AnotherDad

    I’ve seen tattoos on the legs of beautiful white women downtown Chicago; ladies, you are messing up the aesthetics of what nature has bequeathed you with.
     
    Exactly right, Joe. AnotherMom having moved us to the beach, I've had my brain dipped in just how godawful ugly America has become.

    I give some allowance for how "unattractive" us old fogies--and we dominate the beach in peak winter--look. But to see what younger folks look like now--oh my God. The only thing more depressingly ugly than porcine waddlers tatted up is seeing what would otherwise be a pretty young women rocking her bikini, but for arm or leg or torso pumped full of ink.

    God, nature has given you a gift of such incredible youthful beauty--a transient gift, that you have but a few years to bask in and enjoy--and you choose instead of appreciating, to deface and destroy it. Very sad. And just wrong.

    We live in very strange, very bad times.

    I wonder if tattoos aren’t part of the flight from White; if you have a full sleeve, you don’t look as White anymore

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    Interesting that you say that. I've had exactly the same thought. The tattoos suggest, "I'll deface my whiteness."
    , @SteveRogers42
    Yeah, except a whole lot of hip-hop-happenin' Negroes have tats galore.

    You just can't see them very well.
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  64. AndrewR says:
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    Tats and sluttiness have a virtually perfect correlation.

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    They don't call it a tramp stamp for nothing.
    , @Anonym
    Show me a tattoo and I will show you an impulsive narcissist.
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  65. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm pretty sure that there is, sociologically speaking, a direct correlation between individual female sexual promiscuity and the number and size of tattoos a woman sports.

    The correlation between male criminality and tattooing is old and well known.

    Also, I'd be interested to hear of any data concerning mental illness and sexual perversion and the correlation with 'extreme' and facial tattooing, and also IQ correlation with the same.

    Face tats say: “I have completely rejected any pretense of adhering to any societal norms. Do not extend me the benefit of any doubt. I clearly have terrible judgement and I almost certainly am of highly disreputable character.”

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  66. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Hyped -to-death UK pop-star Ed Sheeran, (aka ‘badly-drawn boy’, but not the ‘real’ ‘badly-drawn boy – a UK pop-star of 17 years’ ago, of course), is well known for sporting a mosaiced torso of some rather colorful, disjointed and frankly childishly bizarre tattoos.
    For some inane reason, best known to himself, he sports a rather ridiculous tattoo of a Heinz Tomato Ketchup bottle label, of all the silly, imbecilic reasons, why???? Surely the connection between tattooing and mental illness is relevant here.

    Unfortunately, with prominently inked UK personalities such as Ed Sheeran, David Beckham, Harry Styles etc etc, and the imitative characteristics of the young and wannabe trendies, the prognosis for youthful British skin is far from rosy.

    There will be an awful lot of smudgy bruisy veiny type blotches on the British geriatics of latter 21st century.

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  67. CK says:
    @AM

    Is the Trump administration considering that design? Two of them parallel with a road between would be even better.
     
    You can dig up a briefing on the wall, which I saw a while ago in passing. The most favored proposal, especially where fencing already exists, is two fences with the no-go zone and electronic monitoring between the two.

    They omitted the moat with the laser armed sharks and the kamikaze crocodiles in the earlier design. It will have solar panels the electricity will be exported to pay for the maintenance and future improvements.
    Electronics to listen for tunneling activity are available as is the ancient knowledge of counter-tunneling so popular during the Vauban era of national defense.

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  68. @Moshe
    You learned English from the wrong books bro!

    "Ignorant" does not mean what you think it means, nor does "racist" or "redneck".

    The guest workers leave Jews out of work. (or will rugalech rot in the fields?) As should have been the case from the start - Avodah Ivrit (Jewish
    aka Citizenist Jobs). Plus some get Israelis pregnant or otherwise inport their families and stay indefinitely. (I know such families.)

    As for the Ethiopians as well as those Russians who are goyim d'oraysa (washed in the blood gentiles), yeah, they're Israeli, which is why it's worse than infiltrators who have no citizenship. Better they be in the shadows than in the light.

    As for coflating these achievements you mention, they're 95% by Russians who have at least 2 Jewish grandparents. Not much from the vodka and pork driven cross-wearing sort.

    Israel does not need more gentiles.

    As for the Ethiopians, yes, some are awesome but ultimately they should not be brought to Israel and the endless stream of "falasha mura" and such nonsense should never have happened.

    The guest workers leave Jews out of work. (or will rugalech rot in the fields?) As should have been the case from the start – Avodah Ivrit (Jewish
    aka Citizenist Jobs).

    They don’t leave people out of work. I don’t know if I need to explain, but you won’t find many young people in Israel (or any other developed country) interested in entering the profession of vegetable picking, or caring for old people.

    The fact there are such guest workers, is the only thing which makes, for example, hiring carers for your old relatives affordable for non-millionaires. The contribution of many of the foreign guest workers to the country has been better than that of many native-born citizens. And it is a lot safer than the alternative, of bringing in workers from the West Bank or Jordan.

    BTW almost nobody is out of work who doesn’t want to be in Israel – the unemployment rate is at record lows. The main problem of labor at the moment, is the lack of interest in labor force participation among two sectors of the population: Haredi men, and Arab women.

    As for the Ethiopians as well as those Russians who are goyim d’oraysa (washed in the blood gentiles), yeah, they’re Israeli, which is why it’s worse than infiltrators who have no citizenship. Better they be in the shadows than in the light.

    In the light, as patriotic Israeli citizens.

    As for coflating these achievements you mention, they’re 95% by Russians who have at least 2 Jewish grandparents. Not much from the vodka and pork driven cross-wearing sort.

    The most intelligent person I know who lives in Israel, is only there because his wife had Jewish descent. He is pre-eminent scientist and has become full professor, leading international research teams. And likewise you will find similar stories across the Russian-speaking public in Israel – who, there is no doubt, have done more than anything to bring culture and science to the country.

    It’s also funny you mention pork. You will find in Israel that eating pork is positively correlated with education status and social class. I.e. the more educated and middle class the Israeli, the more likely they are to eat pork. I’d predict you could probably also track an inverse correlation between eating pork in Israel and violent behaviour, or between eating pork and labour force non-participation, or between eating pork and bad taste in music. And that’s coming from someone who generally avoids eating pork, since it doesn’t taste very good.

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  69. @Anonymous
    The USG (specifically, DHS) spends hundreds of millions of dollars on technology for tunnel detection. There are major defense/science/govt contractors in U.S. working on this stuff. Ph.D. geophysicists, engineers, etc., whose work at these major contractors is solely tunnel detection technology.

    But none of it is for the U.S., mind you. The work is done in coordination with, and solely for, Israel.

    I believe the research on tunnel detection that will be used by Israel is being conducted in Israel, although with a significant part of the funding having been provided by the US (through Congress).

    The reason it’s needed is to protect Gaza border communities, because Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza are building tunnels into Israel, with the aim of attacking Gaza border towns and kidnapping Israelis. Destroying the tunnels was the reason for the last IDF ground operation in Gaza, in which around 60 soldiers were killed.

    The US, fortunately, doesn’t face that level of threat and the situation is not really at all comparable to the Gaza border.

    Sailer was correct in this article to draw a comparison between Israel’s Egyptian Border Fence and the US Southern border.

    The fence built on the Egyptian border is a good model for the US and was built to fight the same problems that the US faces (illegal immigration and drug smuggling).

    The fortifications around Gaza are much stronger (more comparable to the border between South and North Korea), with turrets armed with machine guns and rocket launchers – which are remotely controlled by girls in an office.

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  70. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    So-called ‘alt-porn’ princess Joanna Angel amply – and explicitly – illustrates the connection between tattooing and female sexual promiscuity. The married Ms. Angel, nee Mostov, is an orthodox Jewess hailing from Crown Heights, New York City. And Israel.

    Strangely, the deeply held rabbinical prohibition of tattooing – and other forms of ‘ritual’ scarification, seems to have passed her by.

    Anyway, it’s a ‘turn-up for the books’, as they say. In the so-called ‘Golden Age’ of porn, way back in the ‘Deep Throat’ era of the Jowlhound and the early 1970s, it was ‘plain as the proverbial pike-staff’ to which religious persuasion the majority of the male (ahem) members of the dominant New York porn fraternity adhered, or rather were definitely non-adhering, to.
    Back in the day, the now dominant San Fernando ‘industry’ was but a twinkle in the eye……

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    Joanna Angel endorsed Bernie Sanders. I guess that makes her a "Bernie Ho".
    , @Anonym
    So-called ‘alt-porn’ princess Joanna Angel amply – and explicitly – illustrates the connection between tattooing and female sexual promiscuity. The married Ms. Angel, nee Mostov, is an orthodox Jewess hailing from Crown Heights, New York City. And Israel.

    I did a google image search (for research purposes of course) and all I could see were pics of Sarah Silverman.
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  71. biz says:
    @Anonym
    What is to stop Israel just booking a flight for these people and putting them on it? Or a direct flight with parachutes? Maybe use a "through deception thou shalt wage war" type approach, e.g. offer free all expense paid trips to Hawaii with an unscheduled pitstop to, I don't know, some country that is not going to fight back. It's not like Sudan is going to invade Israel over this.

    The Israeli Supreme Court is what stops it. They wield a lot of power.

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    The Israeli Supreme Court is what stops it. They wield a lot of power.

    It’s gratifying to see that even in Israel the legal fraternity is the enemy of their own people.
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  72. @27 year old
    I wonder if tattoos aren't part of the flight from White; if you have a full sleeve, you don't look as White anymore

    Interesting that you say that. I’ve had exactly the same thought. The tattoos suggest, “I’ll deface my whiteness.”

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  73. @Alden
    I almost never see tattooes on men or women and half my tenants are college students.

    I see fewer tattooes than I did 20 years ago. Maybe it's going out of style.

    Where you live must be very different from where I live. I’m shocked at the percentage of men and women I see that are heavily tattooed. Mostly working-class types wasting their money and advertising their low socio-economic status.

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  74. Corn says:
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    I’m 37, and live in the American Midwest. Sometimes I feel like I’m a minority being untattooed. I doubt I am, but feel like it sometimes. Tattoos are distressingly common amongst people under 40. I hate them myself. As far as I’m concerned they’re just self mutilation. They really make me question a person’s judgement. Plus the reasons people give you for getting their tattoos will make one question the value of universal suffrage.

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    Roz Chast says the subtext of every tattoo is: Ask me about my parents' divorce.
    , @AM

    Plus the reasons people give you for getting their tattoos will make one question the value of universal suffrage.
     
    Universal suffrage was always overrated.
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  75. @Corn
    I'm 37, and live in the American Midwest. Sometimes I feel like I'm a minority being untattooed. I doubt I am, but feel like it sometimes. Tattoos are distressingly common amongst people under 40. I hate them myself. As far as I'm concerned they're just self mutilation. They really make me question a person's judgement. Plus the reasons people give you for getting their tattoos will make one question the value of universal suffrage.

    Roz Chast says the subtext of every tattoo is: Ask me about my parents’ divorce.

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  76. @Anonymous
    So-called 'alt-porn' princess Joanna Angel amply - and explicitly - illustrates the connection between tattooing and female sexual promiscuity. The married Ms. Angel, nee Mostov, is an orthodox Jewess hailing from Crown Heights, New York City. And Israel.

    Strangely, the deeply held rabbinical prohibition of tattooing - and other forms of 'ritual' scarification, seems to have passed her by.

    Anyway, it's a 'turn-up for the books', as they say. In the so-called 'Golden Age' of porn, way back in the 'Deep Throat' era of the Jowlhound and the early 1970s, it was 'plain as the proverbial pike-staff' to which religious persuasion the majority of the male (ahem) members of the dominant New York porn fraternity adhered, or rather were definitely non-adhering, to.
    Back in the day, the now dominant San Fernando 'industry' was but a twinkle in the eye......

    Joanna Angel endorsed Bernie Sanders. I guess that makes her a “Bernie Ho”.

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  77. AM says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/morgoth_rev/status/909483070117629953

    Not even the money arguments seem to wake Europe out of it’s slumber.

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  78. AM says:
    @Corn
    I'm 37, and live in the American Midwest. Sometimes I feel like I'm a minority being untattooed. I doubt I am, but feel like it sometimes. Tattoos are distressingly common amongst people under 40. I hate them myself. As far as I'm concerned they're just self mutilation. They really make me question a person's judgement. Plus the reasons people give you for getting their tattoos will make one question the value of universal suffrage.

    Plus the reasons people give you for getting their tattoos will make one question the value of universal suffrage.

    Universal suffrage was always overrated.

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  79. Blake says:

    They are amazing at keeping out the real owners of the land – ie the worlds largest/longest suffering refugee population so whats a few thousand Africans compared to almost 8 million Palestinian refugees.

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    largest/longest suffering refugee population so whats a few thousand Africans compared to almost 8 million Palestinian refugees.
     
    Like growing up out of childhood, there is a point in time that you're no longer a refugee. You need to make your world where you're planted. If you're at 3 generation of being somewhere (or longer) it's time to lose the victim status.
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  80. The regular, moderate income Israelis in South Tel Aviv is what got me to pay attention to the trouble Israel was having with infiltrators and unwanted Africans. It seems wealthy Israelis were dumping all the infiltrators and foreigners in the part of Tel Aviv where regular Israelis lived. Sounds like what wealthy Hillary Clinton and the Malibu Democrats are doing in the United States. Hillary Clinton lives in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, but she wants you to live with the illegal alien infiltrators.

    It was rhetorically fun to introduce the methods the Israeli government was using to finally come to terms with their infiltrator problem and then suggest that that is exactly what the United States should do too. President Trump should follow the lead of Israel and be adamant in his intent to put the interests of American citizens over the demands of illegal alien foreigners, no matter how long they have been here or the circumstances of their illegal infiltration.

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    They also do airline security much differently than we do, and with excellent results.
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  81. 3g4me says:
    @AM
    "WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?"

    Tattoos on women are depressingly common where I live, particularly young working mothers. :(

    My sister in law got one before they started to spread like ugly rash across the nation. It appears to be a need to feel like she's an individual while doing something everyone knows is painful.

    I am convinced the pain factor is part of the attraction in an era where we can give anesthesia so getting anesthesia isn't so painful.

    The difference between the tattooed and not in the female gender appears to be the level of contentment about their lives. Females who are observant in any faith don't seem to feel the need to get one, by causal observation. It would make an interesting study.

    @ #33 AM: “Tattoos on women are depressingly common where I live, particularly young working mothers.”

    I cannot speak to how many young working mothers have them, as my kids are mostly grown and I do not work outside my home. But here in the Dallas suburbs, they are distressingly common. Most White women at the gym – young and old – have them. I have a personal theory that it’s part of the “flight from White” – lovely, lithe young White women defacing their fair skin which signifies their genetic heritage. It’s a violent and jarring reminder that they reject their own historical, cultural, and racial identity.

    My older son has a number of tattoos, although my husband and I were strongly opposed (when he’s over 18 and living on his own, you have no real leverage). He has very legitimate-sounding reasons for what each individual tattoo means to him, but even he will admit that part of his motivation was not to be seen as the high-IQ nerd in his military unit and to demonstrate his cultural and racial solidarity with his friends. FWIW, almost none of them are visible as long as he wears at least a short-sleeved t-shirt, and it’s been about 3 years since his last, so hopefully it’s run its course. The son of one of my husband’s closest friends did the same when he joined the Marines, but although he’s been out a few years, his tattooing has increased to where he’s covered with them. It really saddens me.

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    even he will admit that part of his motivation was not to be seen as the high-IQ nerd in his military unit and to demonstrate his cultural and racial solidarity with his friends.

    How did his having a tattoo show racial solidarity with his friends?
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  82. @3g4me
    @ #33 AM: "Tattoos on women are depressingly common where I live, particularly young working mothers."

    I cannot speak to how many young working mothers have them, as my kids are mostly grown and I do not work outside my home. But here in the Dallas suburbs, they are distressingly common. Most White women at the gym - young and old - have them. I have a personal theory that it's part of the "flight from White" - lovely, lithe young White women defacing their fair skin which signifies their genetic heritage. It's a violent and jarring reminder that they reject their own historical, cultural, and racial identity.

    My older son has a number of tattoos, although my husband and I were strongly opposed (when he's over 18 and living on his own, you have no real leverage). He has very legitimate-sounding reasons for what each individual tattoo means to him, but even he will admit that part of his motivation was not to be seen as the high-IQ nerd in his military unit and to demonstrate his cultural and racial solidarity with his friends. FWIW, almost none of them are visible as long as he wears at least a short-sleeved t-shirt, and it's been about 3 years since his last, so hopefully it's run its course. The son of one of my husband's closest friends did the same when he joined the Marines, but although he's been out a few years, his tattooing has increased to where he's covered with them. It really saddens me.

    even he will admit that part of his motivation was not to be seen as the high-IQ nerd in his military unit and to demonstrate his cultural and racial solidarity with his friends.

    How did his having a tattoo show racial solidarity with his friends?

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    @#82 Opinionator: "How did his having a tattoo show racial solidarity with his friends?"

    Most White guys in a combat MOS (or at least most that he knows) have one or more tattoos. FWIW, the majority in any combat MOS is White. He was particularly close to his paternal grandfather and thus takes particular pride in his bit of Irish genetics. His first tattoo was from the Book of Kells. A later one included the crossed sabres of his MOS.
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  83. Lagertha says:
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    I see a decline of tattoos: it now signals “conformist” rather than “alluring individualist.” My experience with women/young women I know not having tattoos: it’s a bit of a class thing. Young women on the beaches of Nantucket don’t sport tattoos unlike the ones on the Cape, RI beaches, even the Vineyard. And, very confident women don’t have them.

    Now, living with melanoma (too much sun exposure as a child), a dermatologist relative of mine said that never allow my children to get tattoos: there is evidence that injecting dyes (metals/chemicals) into your derma basically, beckons carcinoma, melanoma, etc. The skin (your largest organ) doesn’t like weird stuff injected into it. I actually know of old people, in particular, that are now getting all those dyes sucked out of their body. Old people and full-body tattoos…ewww.

    The basic idea is: we still don’t have all the facts about breast implants, tattoos, piercings (especially with metal on skin) about the long-term effects. We do know that tanning beds lead to melanoma. However, if a tumor grows undetected for years, it leads to a horribly painful death as the cancer cells have traveled through-out your body (Bob Marley). So, being the scaredy cat I am, there was no way – glad my millennial sons agree.

    On the other hand, I have a few friends that have a special, small tattoo that bears some meaning to them…all of them, fairly hidden…a personal message or symbol of some kind. I detest those tattoos that are all over arms, neck and face, torso…I don’t know why I feel that it is disgusting.

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  84. Not the Onion: Municipality of Nacka, Stockholm buys three apartments to house Syrian man with three wives and 16 children: https://www.thelocal.se/20170919/did-a-swedish-council-buy-apartments-for-a-man-and-his-three-wives-nacka

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  85. Lagertha says:
    @anony-mouse
    O/T

    Lee may be getting his revenge:

    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?cone#contents

    wouldn’t it be weird if Lee hits the coast of Virginia or DC?! Or, East Hampton, NY?!

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  86. Anonym says:
    @biz
    The Israeli Supreme Court is what stops it. They wield a lot of power.

    The Israeli Supreme Court is what stops it. They wield a lot of power.

    It’s gratifying to see that even in Israel the legal fraternity is the enemy of their own people.

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  87. Anonym says:
    @Anonymous
    So-called 'alt-porn' princess Joanna Angel amply - and explicitly - illustrates the connection between tattooing and female sexual promiscuity. The married Ms. Angel, nee Mostov, is an orthodox Jewess hailing from Crown Heights, New York City. And Israel.

    Strangely, the deeply held rabbinical prohibition of tattooing - and other forms of 'ritual' scarification, seems to have passed her by.

    Anyway, it's a 'turn-up for the books', as they say. In the so-called 'Golden Age' of porn, way back in the 'Deep Throat' era of the Jowlhound and the early 1970s, it was 'plain as the proverbial pike-staff' to which religious persuasion the majority of the male (ahem) members of the dominant New York porn fraternity adhered, or rather were definitely non-adhering, to.
    Back in the day, the now dominant San Fernando 'industry' was but a twinkle in the eye......

    So-called ‘alt-porn’ princess Joanna Angel amply – and explicitly – illustrates the connection between tattooing and female sexual promiscuity. The married Ms. Angel, nee Mostov, is an orthodox Jewess hailing from Crown Heights, New York City. And Israel.

    I did a google image search (for research purposes of course) and all I could see were pics of Sarah Silverman.

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  88. LondonBob says:
    @AndrewR
    Tats and sluttiness have a virtually perfect correlation.

    They don’t call it a tramp stamp for nothing.

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  89. Anonym says:
    @AndrewR
    Tats and sluttiness have a virtually perfect correlation.

    Show me a tattoo and I will show you an impulsive narcissist.

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    It really depends where/how you grew up.

    If you were fed a steady diet of Osteenism, a tattoo could be a sign of good mental/spiritual health. For a lot of us who grew up in postmodernia its a sign of banal conformity.
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  90. AM says:

    It’s a violent and jarring reminder that they reject their own historical, cultural, and racial identity.

    That’s one of many reasons I find the spread of tattoos sad and depressing, especially on women.

    he has very legitimate-sounding reasons for what each individual tattoo means to him, but even he will admit that part of his motivation was not to be seen as the high-IQ nerd in his military unit and to demonstrate his cultural and racial solidarity with his friends.

    The culture is toxic. All any individual family can do is their best on that point. Once they’re out of the house, what can be done? Plus, enlisted marines were going think a certain way on tattoos, so the deck was/is pretty well stacked against you.

    For my part, I’ve tried to point out to my children they’re ugly (they are) and as they get older, the ink fades and blurs so they turn into an ugly, often saggy mess (they do). I hope pointed out enough of the truth about them that it makes them resistant to them. But I have no clue. It’s a cultural jungle out there.

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  91. AM says:
    @Blake
    They are amazing at keeping out the real owners of the land - ie the worlds largest/longest suffering refugee population so whats a few thousand Africans compared to almost 8 million Palestinian refugees.

    largest/longest suffering refugee population so whats a few thousand Africans compared to almost 8 million Palestinian refugees.

    Like growing up out of childhood, there is a point in time that you’re no longer a refugee. You need to make your world where you’re planted. If you’re at 3 generation of being somewhere (or longer) it’s time to lose the victim status.

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  92. @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    To me when I see tattoos a little voice in my head screams “trash!”
    I can reluctantly accept someone with one or two small tattoos but many large tattoos or sleeves irredeemably puts that person on my shitlist whatever their qualities may be.

    This may be generational. When I was young in the sixties only warvets had tattoos and they would be small anchors or arrow pierced hearts or somesuch.
    That generation has mostly died off but sometimes I still encounter elderly men with faded wartime tattoos. For the longest time no one had tattoos. Since the nineties there has been a plague of them and it seems to be getting worse.

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    For the longest time no one had tattoos.

    Don't forget that tattooing was illegal in many many states, including mine, until the 1990s.
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  93. Alfa158 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Uh-oh. Maria might turn Puerto Rico into a Latin Haiti.

    The US should have cut that place loose generations ago.

    Too late. Puerto Rican independence ceased to be a popular goal after WW2 when migration to the US kicked into high gear, and then as the welfare state grew. There is no way they would voluntarily pull their proboscis out of the US vein. You would have to send in the Marines now to “de-occupy” Puerto Rico at bayonet point and cut them loose. Even if you did that the immigrants would just turn into a flood of refugees.

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  94. @Luke Lea
    Is the Trump administration considering that design? Two of them parallel with a road between would be even better.
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  95. @Veracitor
    Impossible. If you build a 30-foot wall invaders will just use a 33-foot ladder!

    We know a wall can't possibly work, so we absolutely must not build one. Our culture forbids spending money on quack nostrums to placate unsophisticated voters, unjustly-enrich crony contractors, and ensconce hordes of Democrat-voting bureaucrats in do-nothing jobs. That is why we never finance programs like Head Start! We mustn't distract opponents of mass immigration by letting them busy themselves in some godforsaken desert like Southern Arizona building a pointless wall that won't work.

    It is literally impossible to stop those high-energy paragons of industriousness! They will step over The Wall on 32-foot stilts or cave it in with a juggernaut of bodies like Japanese infantry throwing themselves on the barbed wire to clear a path for the next wave!

    They literally have superhuman powers, and any resistance is futile. The only mystery is why they didn’t swallow us up with a casual gulp long ago.

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  96. @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    As Andrew mentioned, tats on chix are a major slut tell. An even better correlation than “If they smoke, they poke.”

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  97. @Wilkey
    What you wouldn’t do if you were sincere is propose that any effort that isn’t 100% effective can’t be implemented.

    An exchange from several years ago, very roughly recalled, with a fairly prominent leftwing blogger:

    Me: "We should block illegals from getting drivers licenses."
    Him: "That won't stop them. They'll drive anyway."
    Me: "We should eliminate in-state tuition for illegals."
    Him: "That won't stop them. They'll still stay here, but won't be educated."
    Me: "We should level serious fines on businesses caught employing them."
    Him: "That won't stop them. They'll work off the books."

    Me: "Well what would you suggest we do to keep illegals from coming here?"
    Him: [crickets...]

    These people lie through their teeth. They don't want our immigration laws enforced against anyone, for any reason.

    “A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week”.

    –George S. Patton

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  98. @anony-mouse
    A wall would work only against the most stupid.

    1/ Europe is being invaded by people who reach the many islands in the Mediterranean

    Eg. The European (Greek) island of Lesbos is 3.4 miles from Asia (Turkey)

    It's 70 miles between Africa (Tunisia) and Europe (Lampedusa)

    It's 89 miles between Tijuana and the uninhabited US island of San Clemente.

    It's 50 miles from the Bahamas to Florida.

    During the 1980's (as Steve has pointed out) Florida was big point of transhipment for cocaine and during prohibition it was a big are of transhipment for liquor.

    But don't worry moving people will be impossible.

    2/ Does the Israeli barrier have anything that looks like this, the Santa Elena Canyon?

    http://www.americansouthwest.net/texas/big_bend/santa_elena_canyon.html

    The NGO’s provide boats and life jackets for the dusky hordes, and the freakin’ Italian Coast Guard picks them up and brings them in!

    These people have never managed to develop the gumption or the technical skill to cross the Med in previous decades…The high-tech navies of France and Italy could easily intercept Soros’ imports and take then back home, and they could just as easily destroy the boats on the beaches of Africa before they set sail.

    Either the Euro governments have no backbone at all, or they are actively conducting a treasonous replacement of their historical native populations. Take your pick.

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  99. @eah
    https://twitter.com/morgoth_rev/status/909483070117629953

    Hurricane Mohammed.

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  100. @AnotherDad
    Anony-mouse, i take it you don't lock your front door? Or your car either--in fact leave the keys in the ignition?

    Just to be charitable, i'll try.

    --> Mediteranean Islands.
    You do realize that the migrants on Lampedusa are trivially easy for the Italian authorities to catch and deport? They are surrounded by water--they're trapped! It's simply that the Italian government doesn't send them back anymore because they are "refugees", pout, pout. This is political policy failure, that turns Lampedusa into a migrant magnet.

    In contrast the US does not have a "one foot in you're in" policy. The Border Patrol deports hundreds of thousands of illegals who have crossed the border and are on US soil. It's what it does. There isn't some sort of "oh but you've reached an island" exception.

    Europe's problem is not islands but treating migrants as "refugees" who must be allowed in.
    Otherwise islands actually suck--once on them, the illegals have to immediately find a way back off them without being detected. The flights or ferries are easy bottlenecks to catch the invaders.

    --> Bahamas
    Yes the Bahamas are close to Florida. Which apparently makes getting into the US so easy that every Haitian who wants to has gotten out of that $800 per capita GDP hellhole through the Bahamas to Miami--where they'll be on Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and can stay. Oh wait ... 10 million of them are still there in Haiti? I guess they must really like living there on $800 a year.

    --> Santa Elena Canyon
    Love Santa Elena. Very striking. Took the kids there back in 2005 and hiked in.

    I must say that i'm pretty sure that no one has ever before pointed at a canyon with 1500 foot vertical walls on each side--in the middle of desert!--and said "see you just can't stop 'em because they'll go there".

    Back in the day TPTB built castles with high walls--a fraction of this height--to mimic such natural barriers and keep very determined people out.

    But yes, we will have to continue to staff the border patrol to man posts where the canyon(s) break out to flat ground and round up the illegal inner tubers. (Big Bend is a trivially easy place to deter and catch illegals. It's spectacular scenery but hideous countryside for survival--hundreds of miles of the Chihuahuan desert with no water and minimal road access out with low traffic. It ain't like wading the Rio Grande in the Valley.)

    If there are unbuildable areas where our finest construction companies can’t put up a wall, I hear there’s this new thing called a helicopter — and evidently the Border Patrol and the National Guard have a bunch of them. I know, right? Supposedly these things can be used for surveillance and interdiction. Crazy talk, I know…

    Then there’s this other wild n’ crazy technology called UAV’s, or “drones” for short…

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  101. @27 year old
    I wonder if tattoos aren't part of the flight from White; if you have a full sleeve, you don't look as White anymore

    Yeah, except a whole lot of hip-hop-happenin’ Negroes have tats galore.

    You just can’t see them very well.

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  102. @Charles Pewitt
    The regular, moderate income Israelis in South Tel Aviv is what got me to pay attention to the trouble Israel was having with infiltrators and unwanted Africans. It seems wealthy Israelis were dumping all the infiltrators and foreigners in the part of Tel Aviv where regular Israelis lived. Sounds like what wealthy Hillary Clinton and the Malibu Democrats are doing in the United States. Hillary Clinton lives in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, but she wants you to live with the illegal alien infiltrators.

    It was rhetorically fun to introduce the methods the Israeli government was using to finally come to terms with their infiltrator problem and then suggest that that is exactly what the United States should do too. President Trump should follow the lead of Israel and be adamant in his intent to put the interests of American citizens over the demands of illegal alien foreigners, no matter how long they have been here or the circumstances of their illegal infiltration.

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/646672263799029760

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/487223893506027520

    They also do airline security much differently than we do, and with excellent results.

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  103. @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    The women I see with tattoos are all blue collar workers, single mothers, and overall look-at-me-won’t-you! types. If I weren’t a sweet little mommy I’d call them fat white chicks.

    the markings barely exist in my socially conservative circles.

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  104. @Moses
    Lewis Sorley, a US Army veteran and historian, makes a compelling case that the Vietnam war basically was won by 1972 in his book "A Better War."

    Although a devastating propaganda loss for the US and South Vietnam, the Tet offensive of 1968 was a military disaster for the Viet Cong and eliminated them as a fighting force. That, and William Westmoreland's replacement, Creighton Abrams, changed strategy immediately after taking command in 1968 to de-emphasize ineffective search and destroy missions in favor of interdicting enemy supplies and holding territory.

    By early 1972 the insurgency in South Vietnam was over and the countryside peaceful. The South Vietnamese army successfully pushed back the regular North Vietnamese army in the Easter Offensive invasion later in 1972 with assistance from US air power. It took the North 3 years to recover and mount another operation in 1975. By that time Nixon was distracted (to put it mildly) by Watergate and Congress tied his hands by prohibiting further assistance to South Vietnam through the Church Amendment. The North was still receiving substantial aid from China and the USSR. Without US additional assistance the South crumbled in 1975.

    Abrams had the strategy right. If he had relieved Westy a few years earlier things might have turned out differently. Of course, the South Vietnamese govt was corrupt to the core and illegitimate in the eyes of the South Vietnamese. That didn't help. (Contrary to popular belief the Southerners did not want to become commies and suffered terribly after the war).

    Should America have been involved in Vietnam? With the benefit of hindsight my conclusion is no. It was a civil war with no compelling American interests at stake. It was total waste of blood and treasure. I could say the same thing about South Korea.

    Vietnam did turn pink in 1975. No dominoes fell. Vietnam entered a period of severe privation as the Communists implemented commie economic policies with predictable results. The funny (or tragic) part is that the Vietnamese people have suffered terribly under Communism. They got rid of foreign influence, but installed what basically is a kleptocracy.

    But at the time I can see the logic of "stopping communism." I'm now opposed to all foreign adventures unless there is a direct threat to the security of the USA.

    “No dominoes fell.”

    What about Cambodia? How many people died there in the killing fields?

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    Didn't Laos go commie, too?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Good point, but your facts contradict the narrative, which is that socialism (extortion by the State) is wonderful. Millions of needlessly dead never dissuade the blind-faith socialists.
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  105. @Anonym
    Show me a tattoo and I will show you an impulsive narcissist.

    It really depends where/how you grew up.

    If you were fed a steady diet of Osteenism, a tattoo could be a sign of good mental/spiritual health. For a lot of us who grew up in postmodernia its a sign of banal conformity.

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  106. @jesse helms think-alike
    To me when I see tattoos a little voice in my head screams "trash!"
    I can reluctantly accept someone with one or two small tattoos but many large tattoos or sleeves irredeemably puts that person on my shitlist whatever their qualities may be.

    This may be generational. When I was young in the sixties only warvets had tattoos and they would be small anchors or arrow pierced hearts or somesuch.
    That generation has mostly died off but sometimes I still encounter elderly men with faded wartime tattoos. For the longest time no one had tattoos. Since the nineties there has been a plague of them and it seems to be getting worse.

    For the longest time no one had tattoos.

    Don’t forget that tattooing was illegal in many many states, including mine, until the 1990s.

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  107. Brutusale says:
    @Moshe
    I'm in nyc at the moment and the ubiquity and normality of tattoos on women is new to me.

    There's a lot to be said about it but before it is said I would be interested to know how common it actually is.

    Commentators here: Do you have tattoos and how common is it in your area or office or hangout?

    WOMEN readers: What say you? Do you have tattoos? Do your friends or co-workers have them? Is there a noticeable difference between those ladies or women or girls who have tattoos and those who do not do?

    As a waggish friend once said, almost many a woman’s tattoo really says “Ask me about my abuse as a child!”.

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  108. @StillCARealist
    "No dominoes fell."

    What about Cambodia? How many people died there in the killing fields?

    Didn’t Laos go commie, too?

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  109. 3g4me says:
    @Opinionator
    even he will admit that part of his motivation was not to be seen as the high-IQ nerd in his military unit and to demonstrate his cultural and racial solidarity with his friends.

    How did his having a tattoo show racial solidarity with his friends?

    @#82 Opinionator: “How did his having a tattoo show racial solidarity with his friends?”

    Most White guys in a combat MOS (or at least most that he knows) have one or more tattoos. FWIW, the majority in any combat MOS is White. He was particularly close to his paternal grandfather and thus takes particular pride in his bit of Irish genetics. His first tattoo was from the Book of Kells. A later one included the crossed sabres of his MOS.

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  110. @3g4me
    @#82 Opinionator: "How did his having a tattoo show racial solidarity with his friends?"

    Most White guys in a combat MOS (or at least most that he knows) have one or more tattoos. FWIW, the majority in any combat MOS is White. He was particularly close to his paternal grandfather and thus takes particular pride in his bit of Irish genetics. His first tattoo was from the Book of Kells. A later one included the crossed sabres of his MOS.

    Acknowledged.

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  111. @StillCARealist
    "No dominoes fell."

    What about Cambodia? How many people died there in the killing fields?

    Good point, but your facts contradict the narrative, which is that socialism (extortion by the State) is wonderful. Millions of needlessly dead never dissuade the blind-faith socialists.

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