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Unlike Finland, Israel has limited land and very little water. Yet, from Mosaic:

Israel’s Demographic Miracle

OFIR HAIVRY, MAY 7 2018

Birthrates are falling across the world, especially in developed nations—except in one. How did mainstream, middle-class Israelis start having children again, and what does it mean?

… In 2015, Israel’s general fertility rate was at 3.1, with both Jewish and Arab sectors of the population at about 3.13. This represented a sea change from the year 2000, when Israeli Arab fertility, as we have just seen, stood at 4.5, while the Jewish rate was at 2.6. During the last decades, fertility among Arabs in Israel has roughly followed the general downward trend across the Middle East, with Muslim Arabs now at about 3.35 and trending downward while among Christian Arabs the rate has for a long time fallen far below replacement level. Meanwhile, the Jewish rate continues to rise, with an estimate for 2017 of 3.16—roughly on a par with or above that of Arabs within Israel as well as across most of the Middle East. …

In the year 2000, the fertility rate among ḥaredi women was at about 7.5. In 2015, it was at about 6.7—a drop of 10 percent.

Among non-ḥaredi, religiously observant Jewish women, fertility in the same period remained almost unchanged: about 4.0 in the year 2000 and about 4.2 in 2015, for a rise of perhaps 5 percent.

Among women identifying themselves as “traditionally” observant, the fertility rate rose from about 2.6 in 2000 to 3.0 in 2015—an increase of about 15 percent.

Among “traditional” but not very observant Jewish women, the upward jump was even more striking, higher by almost 20 percent: from about 2.1 in the year 2000 to about 2.6 in 2015.

Finally, among women identifying themselves as non-observant or secular, fertility rose by almost 15 percent from about 1.8 in the year 2000 to about 2.1 in 2015.

V. The Secret Zionist Victory

We can sum up the story so far:

In 2000, for each Arab child born in Israel there were two Jewish children: a ratio of 2/1.

In 2010, for each Arab child born in Israel there were three Jewish children: a ratio of 3/1.

In 2020, two years from now, if current trends hold, for every Arab child born in Israel there will be four Jewish children: a ratio of 4/1.

Absolute numbers tell the story even more starkly. In 2001, 95,146 Jewish children were born in Israel, and 41,440 Arab children; in 2015 the respective numbers were 137,708 and 41,016. In other words, within a mere fifteen years the number of Jewish children rose by more than 45 percent while the number of Arab children remained essentially unchanged.

 
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  1. It’s a miracle!
    Follow up: how was the Israeli economy doing fine when everyone else was tanking? Do you need to ask? Also a miracle!

    • Replies: @Lot
    Study harder!

    http://christianeducationfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Jewish-Chidren.jpg
  2. Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than ‘losers’ and ‘trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don’t think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat ‘diversity is our strength’ and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with ‘Jewish guilt’. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as ‘racism’ and ‘Jewish supremacism’. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm… I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister.
     
    As Yogi would say, "Only in America!"


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Briscoe_(politician)#Political_career

    , @Anonymous

    I don’t think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!!
     
    A non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister would be a start(though wikipedia claims Sharon's mother was a subbotnik).
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    First part is OK, with one significant addendum- permanent existential crisis & the sense of ethnic demographic warfare. Religion is not enough. It's a question of survival where any other option is obliteration.

    The second part is mostly usual anti-Jewish nonsense. China's fertility rates are abysmal, also Japanese & all eastern European, including Greeks. Even growing economies with able populations are hedonistic & if there is not a national disaster & imminent, visible ethnicity/race as the existential threat, their fertility rates will be under replacement levels (as are for US Jews).
    Modern nations have, all over the world, lost their religions & that's the issue.

    Simply, the story that Jewish constant blabbering about Auschwitz & Hitler has something significant to do with birth rates is nothing but a childish nonsense.

    What is the solution is actually more something like sci fi nightmare- we don't need many people as any time before, no more than 1-2 children per woman, and more breeding races & religions need to be isolated to diminish in size naturally because of mass hungers, epidemics, lack of medicine, hygiene etc. Culling the herd....
    , @Ed
    They’re still a minority, an extremely tiny one. Blaming Jews for white or in particular WASP apathy, extreme altruism or self-flagellation over race seems absurd to me. It’s not the Jews fault that the Bushes of the country see nothing wrong with inviting the entire world while expanding mindless consumerism under the umbrella of democracy to the world.

    American whites post WW2 probably created and lived in the most affluent, secure time and place in human history. They decided to throw it all the way out of guilt over their good fortune. Jews can’t be blamed for that.
    , @Jack D

    Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150.
     
    So it's a science fiction movie, right?
    , @Dmitry
    Israeli authorities are "cucks" - to a large extent due to final power, being in the self-appointed, ultra-liberal Supreme Court.

    Majority of Israeli voters are rednecks, but the ultimate power is with the liberal Supreme Court. In addition, the media of Israel is more liberal than can be imagined.

    Israel is very liberal in many ways, which are unimaginable in other countries. Haifa appoints a Deputy Mayor who supports Hezbollah; many politicians in the Knesset ask for Israel's destruction, while receiving government salary. (Imagine this in Russia or America).

    Israel has even things like affirmative action in some universities for Arab students, and to hire Arabs as affirmative action is also reportedly common in some of their larger corporations.

    They have failed to deport any illegal immigrants from Sudan and Eritrea, and these have overflown parts of their cities.

    Country has surreal discussions as below:


    'Can illegal immigrant get legal status by committing rape?'

    Illegal immigrant living in Israel rapes Israeli woman, then demands legal status in Israel as father of child conceived in rape.

    An illegal immigrant living in Israel is demanding visitation rights to see a child he fathered after allegedly raping an Israeli woman, in a bid to win legal status permitting him to remain in the country.

    According to attorney Roni Aloni Sadovnik, who represents the victim, the suspect raped the young woman two years ago, and has since demanded he be recognized as the child’s father and given visitation rights.

    “An illegal resident raped a young Israeli woman,” Sadovnik wrote on her Facebook account earlier this week, “and by the time she realized that she was pregnant from the rape, it was too late to have an abortion, and she decided to raise the baby.”

    The young woman filed a police complaint following the sexual assault, but “like 92% of sex crime complaints, the case was closed due to lack of evidence.”
     
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/243226
    , @Joe Walker
    In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister.

    Varadkar has been a pretty good Taoiseach for Ireland. Unlike most of his predecessors he has no problems standing up to the Brits. I wish Obama had been as loyal to the United States as Varadkar is to Ireland.
    , @Tyrion 2
    https://goo.gl/images/TDQ9JJ

    So many Jews in these, the lowest fertility countries...
    , @Autochthon
    rather than – The construction you seek is rather than. You don't always have to collocate the words (e.g., "I had rather see than be one.") but you cannot use than alone to express the meaning instead of.

    etc. is an abbreviation of the Latin et cetera ("and the rest"); et is Latin for and (hence et al. (et alii ; "and others"). Don't write "and etc." It makes one appear stupid, like the editors of The Guardian who write "PIN number" or like fools who say "ATM machine" – though the latter might be a valid sobriquet for certain starlets in blue movies.

    Subjects and predicates should also agree in number; singular subjects take singular predicates, and plural subjects take plural predicates.

    Diagram or simplify your sentences and you will more easily see the errors:

    "They are...member....." ← No. Either write "She is a member." or "They are members."

    "A nation that tells each person that they he are is a precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history rather than an expendable economic unit...."

    "[T]hey should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades rather than losers...."

    "A national elite that is autonomous rather than...in service...."

    Typographical errors are to be expected in this medium (I make mountains of them myself), but your writing, and the writing of a few others who consistently misuse the same constructions (and whom I suspect are not native writers of English) is substantively worthwhile enough, and the errors consistent enough (like intelligent Orientals who constantly misuse definite articles) that I presume you may have interest in improving your English writing.

    שָׁלוֹם
    , @IHTG
    Fun fact: Israel's immigration laws were liberalized in the mid-1960s to allow the immigration of the non-Jewish relatives of Polish Jews. Used to be you had to be Jewish period, having a grandparent wasn't enough.
  3. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Considering the physical size of Israel, the Jews are likely to outbreed their territory and the push will be on for the expansion to “Eretz Yisrael”

    http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future

    Which could lead to a war.

    Personally as an American, it doesn’t matter to me, any more than it matters to me whether Ukrainian or Russian is spoken in the Ukraine or whether English or French is spoken in Quebec.

    But I damn sure do not want the US involved in any war this leads to.
    Let Israel fight its own wars, and if American Jews are such great Jews, let them go there and pick up a Galil. Leave us out of it.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    I suspect that Israel will settle its additional population in the West Bank if it will still control it by the point in time where the space in Israel proper will run out.
    , @Lot
    The maps at your link that take in Egypt, Iraq, etc are pretty silly.

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David's kingdom.

    https://www.bible-history.com/map-davids-kingdom/davids-kingdom.jpg
    , @Redneck farmer
    They would pick up a Tavor or M16.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    Considering the physical size of Israel, the Jews are likely to outbreed their territory and the push will be on for the expansion to “Eretz Yisrael”

    http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future

    Which could lead to a war.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

    Israel is listed at 407 people/km^2. India has 409. South Korea has 515. Bangladesh has 1153. Singapore has 7804.

    They can double their population density in their current territory without geographic expansion. That will take decades even with a high birth rate. Lots of things will change in that time.
  4. Clearly this isn’t due to any increase in religious devotion among the Jews of Israel; indeed the opposite seems to be the case. Since religious dedication is usually associated with high fertility and secularization with falling birthrates, this makes for quite a puzzle. Have incentives sponsored by the Israeli government been a cause of this? Government incentives have been at best marginally effective in other countries. I’ve heard it suggested that fertility rises when people can see a bright future for their children, whether or not this perspective is accurate. If this is true, the Jews of Israel and particularly the less observant ones must foresee a future which is bright indeed.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    I think their universal conscription, which excludes the Arabs/Palestinians, is a big part of their cohesiveness and optimism. I mean, you spend a year or so of the most formative time in your life working as a team with your countrymen. Plus it helps the youths find Jewish mates and get going on the big family. Brilliant for a small country.
    , @Nachum
    All evidence shows that Israel is indeed seeing an increase in religious devotion. To a certain extent, it's always been there, but is now more recognized and more socially acceptable. About a quarter of Israeli Jews are fully observant Orthodox, and about another half are "traditional," a category that would rank as quite religious by American standards. Even the remainder, the "secular," often tend to be rather traditional. Only about one or two percent of the Jewish population describes itself as "anti-religious."
  5. Mosaic is an online journal of Jewish ideas.

    Jewish magazines published in the United States

    Imagine a similar article to the one Steve quotes from, in a similar journal, but replacing ‘Jewish’ with ‘White.’

    What follows?

    Mass censorship (“deplatforming”), firings, doxxings, people getting Richwined, and the most hysterical forms of demonization by the regime media — all the above seem pretty likely. And that’s in Trump’s America. President Backstab would probably tweetgloat about how he endorses suppressing racists.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  6. …with both Jewish and Arab sectors of the population at about 3.13.

  7. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister.

    As Yogi would say, “Only in America!”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Briscoe_(politician)#Political_career

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    In this case a genuine Hindu Yogi.
  8. Israel’s Demographic Miracle

    OFIR HAIVRY

    Meanwhile, in Mark Potok’s office:

    Someone saw this [above] on the desk of Mark Potok [who] runs the SPLC now. He’s some Jewish guy. (Surprise!) He doesn’t have pictures of his family on the wall. People saw in the background that he has this chart of the demographic decline of Whites starting from 1920 where it was 90% White and it keeps on going down.

    It’s like he’s tracking this. His last update was 2015 where we’re down to 62% White.

    Hey, this is bizarre. That’d be something I expect on Himmler’s desk, like tracking the reduction of Jews on the Eastern Front. But no: This is from the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    You could say it’s a pathological hatred towards Whites.

    Right there in your office, right there in front of you every day, you come to work you get motivated by seeing the decline of a certain race? I mean, you’re a sick [censored].

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
    The fact that this isn't more publicized ... well, you know and I know why. The only question is in 20-30 years is it Brazil or Boznia?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Hail, so soon enough whites will be a minority in the USA and then the SPLC will advocate for us. That's the way it works...Right?
  9. But this brings us to Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza, where determining real fertility rates is freighted with problems.

    Cue the handwaving.

    Of course numbers in non-Israeli controlled territories is going to be difficult—if not impossible—to count reliably. The author shrugs these aside though, as if to pretend it doesn’t contest his thesis: keep f****** and giving birth.

    So while Arab Israelis are exhibiting lower brith rates vis a vis Israelis, the fact that Arab Palestinians *might* be out reproducing the Israelis is too much of existential threat to seriously examine.

    Regardless, it is interesting that highly religious Israelis have higher birth rates. I wonder how this relates to their socioeconomic status and views on “right of return.” Israel does have open borders… so long as you’re “Jewish” enough.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...Regardless, it is interesting that highly religious Israelis have higher birth rates. I wonder how this relates to their socioeconomic status and views on “right of return.” Israel does have open borders… so long as you’re “Jewish” enough.'

    My impression at least is that most ultra-Orthodox Jews are unwilling to fight for the state of Israel or even work for it.

    On the other hand, they may be perfectly willing to leave it. In the last election, one ultra-Orthodox leader actually threatened to take his congregation and leave the country if he didn't get his way over some issue or other.

    Israel's got about all the invulnerability of a baby in an incubator. All we need to do is pull the plug, and it'll start visibly collapsing within six months. This is a very addressable evil.
  10. When you’re systematically seizing land and handing it off to your youth sure fertility is going to go up. Back when we Americans were doing that we had the highest fertility in the Western world.

    When the opposite is happening it goes down. Go figure. It also goes down when the old are leveraging their ownership to effortlessly profit from younger generations’ labor.

    Raising fertility is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be, but it takes sacrifice on the part of either a) another people, or b) older people. If white Americans suddenly put a policy in place whereby we could push minorities out of their neighborhoods and hand it over to our own kids (e.g. WWII Japanese internment) our fertility would rise in short order. We could also raise fertility by convincing older empty nesters to downgrade from four or five bedroom homes to condos instead of trying to sell the condos to young people at enormous profits.

    It all comes down to priorities. Our priorities are clearly different from Israelis’, and it isn’t really American Jews’ fault. Try convincing a recently retired upper middle class baby boomer couple to move to a 1,200 square foot condo so a young couple can raise a family in their 2,500 square foot house. Not going to happen, even if it’s their own kids.

    Amish old folks, on the other hand, will literally move into a shack in the backyard so their kids can take over the house and raise a large brood.

    Priorities.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    America could solve a lot of problems by getting rid of Medicare. What was the line in that popular Jewish religious text? "I will grant you three score and ten". Not we'll keep you alive a lot longer than you can naturally, so you can expend your family's or community's resources as you do nothing but complain.
    , @Anonymous
    The U.S. has given upwards of $120 billion to Israel in the past 70 years. Germany almost the same. Swiss banks and companies (Volkswagen, Deutsche Bank, Siemens, et al.) have had to give billions of dollars in reparations. The U.S. State Department has overseen reparations from France and French rail companies to Israel and individual Jews in Israel.

    Meanwhile, peoples who are indigenous to the Middle East (unlike Askenazi) have been slaughtered by the millions, enslaved, displaced, robbed of their property because of European Jews. Do you think they will ever see any redress in this life?

    , @Hail

    Our priorities are clearly different from Israelis’, and it isn’t really American Jews’ fault.
     

    a recently retired upper middle class baby boomer couple
     

    the old are leveraging their ownership to effortlessly profit from younger generations’ labor
     
    Here is the central problem with blaming ordinary, b.1940s and b.1950s, middle class, White-Christian Core Americans:

    It wasn't they who poisoned the culture.

  11. @J.Ross
    It's a miracle!
    Follow up: how was the Israeli economy doing fine when everyone else was tanking? Do you need to ask? Also a miracle!

    Study harder!

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    Sure are a lotta gingers (and near-gingers) in that image... must have been just a fucking wall of freckles from Alexandria to Canaan during the fictional Exodus.

    Was Moses a bloodnut? Were Avram and his half-sister Sarai, redmuffs?

    It's almost like those kids are a completely different race from the region's historical inhabitants.

    It's also excellent that they're wasting their time reading some Bronze Age fiction: it will equip them badly for life in the 21st century, so their welfare-dependent culture [sic] can be competed to oblivion.

    Western Jews (especially the high-IQ Sephards of Western Europe) are slowly tiring of having to lend support to their primitive Osteuropäische co-religionists and their Zionist occupation of Palestine (which, like Afghanistan, has seen conquerors come and go dozens of times over the last 3 millennia).
    , @Anonymous
    Billions in free money extracted from American workers sure helps (Jewish Israelis).
    , @would smashionalist
    You want gentiles to study the talmud? Doing so is a crime punishable by death, according to that very same talmud. But even if it wasn't, no thanks; it's not as much fun for us as it is for you to read of how we gentiles are subhumans put on earth solely to serve your race. Might even inspire anti-semitism in some on the fringe.
  12. @Anonymous
    Considering the physical size of Israel, the Jews are likely to outbreed their territory and the push will be on for the expansion to "Eretz Yisrael"

    http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future

    Which could lead to a war.

    Personally as an American, it doesn't matter to me, any more than it matters to me whether Ukrainian or Russian is spoken in the Ukraine or whether English or French is spoken in Quebec.


    But I damn sure do not want the US involved in any war this leads to.
    Let Israel fight its own wars, and if American Jews are such great Jews, let them go there and pick up a Galil. Leave us out of it.

    I suspect that Israel will settle its additional population in the West Bank if it will still control it by the point in time where the space in Israel proper will run out.

  13. @Anonymous
    Considering the physical size of Israel, the Jews are likely to outbreed their territory and the push will be on for the expansion to "Eretz Yisrael"

    http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future

    Which could lead to a war.

    Personally as an American, it doesn't matter to me, any more than it matters to me whether Ukrainian or Russian is spoken in the Ukraine or whether English or French is spoken in Quebec.


    But I damn sure do not want the US involved in any war this leads to.
    Let Israel fight its own wars, and if American Jews are such great Jews, let them go there and pick up a Galil. Leave us out of it.

    The maps at your link that take in Egypt, Iraq, etc are pretty silly.

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David’s kingdom.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Come on, Lot, cut the BS. Israel, within its present borders, has plenty of room in its southern half (i.e. the Negev Desert). They can get their water from desalination, or by just outbidding farmers for their water. Israel's agricultural sector is on life support anyway (for sentimental reasons).
    , @Colin Wright
    'The maps at your link that take in Egypt, Iraq, etc are pretty silly.

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David’s kingdom.'

    Was it bigger or smaller than King Arthur's kingdom?

  14. What does Israel that all of the following not have?

    South Korea: 1.17

    Iran: 1.66

    Finland: 1.65

    Moldova: 1.2

    Germany 1.5

    Switzerland: 1.5

    Portugal: 1.3

    Mauritius: 1.4

    China: 1.6

    Cuba: 1.7

    United Arab Emirates: 1.7

    Barbados: 1.8

    North Korea: 1.9

    Hungary: 1.4

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'What does Israel that all of the following not have?'

    A death wish?
    , @Tyrion 2
    Thin, feminine 20 something women and masculine outgoing 20 something men?
  15. You’ll see a gradual climb in the birth rate even if, within individual sectors — haredi, traditional, secular — the birth rate stays the same, simply because the high-birth-rate sectors become a bigger percent of the whole. Granted, this can’t explain the entire change between 2001 and 2015…

    If things continue on their present course, I think the US will become less attractive to a certain kind of young American Jew. Unfortunately, the wrong kind — the angry destructive atheists (pretty much every Jewish journalist Steve notices) — will stay put in America and continue with their craziness.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Sounds depressingly accurate.
  16. @Hail

    Israel’s Demographic Miracle

    OFIR HAIVRY
     

    Meanwhile, in Mark Potok's office:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzBmQMlWwAEDmiD.jpg


    Someone saw this [above] on the desk of Mark Potok [who] runs the SPLC now. He's some Jewish guy. (Surprise!) He doesn't have pictures of his family on the wall. People saw in the background that he has this chart of the demographic decline of Whites starting from 1920 where it was 90% White and it keeps on going down.

    It's like he's tracking this. His last update was 2015 where we're down to 62% White.

    Hey, this is bizarre. That'd be something I expect on Himmler's desk, like tracking the reduction of Jews on the Eastern Front. But no: This is from the Southern Poverty Law Center.
     


    You could say it's a pathological hatred towards Whites.

    Right there in your office, right there in front of you every day, you come to work you get motivated by seeing the decline of a certain race? I mean, you're a sick [censored].
     

    The fact that this isn’t more publicized … well, you know and I know why. The only question is in 20-30 years is it Brazil or Boznia?

    • Replies: @baked georgia
    man, in brazil we've still have white-majority states. but they are pushing it to become more "diverse" as well.

    yes, it's mostly joos. even here where they supposed are only about 100k people. (I think they're much more than that).

    obviously they have plenty of influence from a distance, through media and corporations
  17. @Lot
    The maps at your link that take in Egypt, Iraq, etc are pretty silly.

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David's kingdom.

    https://www.bible-history.com/map-davids-kingdom/davids-kingdom.jpg

    Come on, Lot, cut the BS. Israel, within its present borders, has plenty of room in its southern half (i.e. the Negev Desert). They can get their water from desalination, or by just outbidding farmers for their water. Israel’s agricultural sector is on life support anyway (for sentimental reasons).

    • Replies: @Lot
    The Negev is fine for a while, but what happens when Muslims/Africans take over France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England circa 2050? Room for those countries' ~1.5 million Jews (and many of their non-Jewish spouses) in present Israel after another 30 years of 3.2 TFR?

    Robots/drones/AI will make this a lot more practical in a 15-20 years than it seems now.
  18. @International Jew
    Come on, Lot, cut the BS. Israel, within its present borders, has plenty of room in its southern half (i.e. the Negev Desert). They can get their water from desalination, or by just outbidding farmers for their water. Israel's agricultural sector is on life support anyway (for sentimental reasons).

    The Negev is fine for a while, but what happens when Muslims/Africans take over France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England circa 2050? Room for those countries’ ~1.5 million Jews (and many of their non-Jewish spouses) in present Israel after another 30 years of 3.2 TFR?

    Robots/drones/AI will make this a lot more practical in a 15-20 years than it seems now.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "what happens when Muslims/Africans take over France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England circa 2050"

    Our elites will decide before that time that "social cohesion" requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work. The associated ID cards, ubiquitous cameras and a version of China's social credit system will ensure the ideal - a hopelessly divided yet not-quite-dreadful semi-productive country where no one ethnic group has the power to oppose the elites.

    (Meanwhile there'll be a non-negligible Jewish exodus in the general direction of China. I'm not sure I'll live long enough to see how that one pans out)
  19. “Birthrates are falling across the world, especially in developed nations—except in one”

    I don’t think that is true. Georgia has upped its reproductive output.

    • Replies: @fnn
    Is Georgia "developed"? But Georgia is unusually ethnocentric, like Israel.
  20. It’s an experiment.

    First, see how many people you can pack into strip of semi-desert the size of one largish Western US county.

    Then, provoke and enrage all your neighbors and see what happens.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Colin, nice comment. I was surprised, when we toured the Holy land, how small Israel is. I think the county I live in, Erie County, NY is about the same size, but we have no desert and plenty of farmland and fresh water.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Colin, Sorry, I should have said Western NY, not just Erie County.
  21. @Tyrion 2
    What does Israel that all of the following not have?

    South Korea: 1.17

    Iran: 1.66

    Finland: 1.65

    Moldova: 1.2

    Germany 1.5

    Switzerland: 1.5

    Portugal: 1.3

    Mauritius: 1.4

    China: 1.6

    Cuba: 1.7

    United Arab Emirates: 1.7

    Barbados: 1.8

    North Korea: 1.9

    Hungary: 1.4

    ‘What does Israel that all of the following not have?’

    A death wish?

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    No, you wish death on its people, you solipsistic nitwit.
  22. @Lot
    The maps at your link that take in Egypt, Iraq, etc are pretty silly.

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David's kingdom.

    https://www.bible-history.com/map-davids-kingdom/davids-kingdom.jpg

    ‘The maps at your link that take in Egypt, Iraq, etc are pretty silly.

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David’s kingdom.’

    Was it bigger or smaller than King Arthur’s kingdom?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Ya know, you'd think that "Bible History Online" wouldn't be presented as a 'respectable' source for justifying Israeli expansion, but then you'd be a Nazi for thinking something like that.
    , @Lot
    There are contemporary Egyptian references to King David, and the general biblical record starts to conform with historical evidence around this time.

    While a long time ago, Hammurabi lived 700 years earlier.
    , @Stan d Mute

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David’s kingdom.’

    Was it bigger or smaller than King Arthur’s kingdom?
     
    But the Jews always say “size doesn’t matter” (wonder why they say that?).

    Anyway, the key difference you’re after here was in naming:

    King Arthur had his Knights of the Round Table

    King David had his Nachts of the Kristall Table..

    Like all mythology, the names have been changed to protect the guilty.
  23. @Colin Wright
    'The maps at your link that take in Egypt, Iraq, etc are pretty silly.

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David’s kingdom.'

    Was it bigger or smaller than King Arthur's kingdom?

    Ya know, you’d think that “Bible History Online” wouldn’t be presented as a ‘respectable’ source for justifying Israeli expansion, but then you’d be a Nazi for thinking something like that.

  24. @Colin Wright
    'What does Israel that all of the following not have?'

    A death wish?

    No, you wish death on its people, you solipsistic nitwit.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'No, you wish death on its people, you solipsistic nitwit.'

    I wish only the best for the people of occupied Palestine.

    Those vicious invaders should be allowed to leave, which they will as soon as their subsidies and protection are withdrawn.

    There really isn't a problem here -- except the one we perpetuate.
    , @Stan d Mute

    No, you wish death on its people, you solipsistic nitwit.
     
    Oh wait, now I remember why they say “size doesn’t matter”...
  25. Have secular Israelis become more nationalist over time? Do they identify more now with Netanyahu and Likud? It seems like when Israelis had moderate fertility the Labour party could win elections – they seem to have become a lot more right wing in recent decades?

    • Replies: @IHTG
    My suspicion, although I cannot prove it, is that much of the rise in "secular" fertility is driven by Sephardic Jews with higher fertility preferences dropping out of the "traditionalist" camp and becoming secular. In many cases these would be mixed Ashkenazi-Sephardi marriages, resulting in a kind of hybrid vigor.
    , @International Jew

    they seem to have become a lot more right wing in recent decades?
     
    You might say that. Parties that still support the idea of creating a Palestinian state are, all of them together, polling at about 10% of the Jewish vote.

    Israeli Jews now vote like whites in Mississippi.

    It's Bayesian inference, as Steve says.
    , @Corn
    Someone correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t Russian immigration moved Israel rightward too? Sort of the opposite of America.
  26. The increased birth rate among liberal, secular, highly educated Israelis is the biggest miracle that’s never been replicated anywhere else. Usually it’s the opposite. The reasons seem to boil down to:

    1. Constant reminders of demographic threat (i.e. You’re being replaced by Arabs!)

    2. Wide usage of fertility treatments

    Say what you will about Jews, but it turns out they’re good at ethnonationalism too.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Say what you will about Jews, but it turns out they’re good at ethnonationalism too.'

    Sometimes I think God allowed the ethical abomination that is modern Israel to come into being to teach Jews humility.

    All those centuries of imagining themselves to be uniquely virtuous victims...let them into the driver's seat and it turns out they're at least as vile as any of us. Somewhat worse, in quite a few respects, actually. After all, most conquerors eventually settle down into some kind of workable accomodation with their erstwhile victims. The Jews of Israel are like a nasty little child, endlessly pulling the wings off the poor fly they've caught.

    ...and even the nasty little boy will be embarrassed and try to hide what he's doing if you catch him at it. Israeli Jews and those who support them seem to think they're demonstrating their manhood by it or something.

  27. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    My best guess would be that Israelis have collectively answered the five questions I posed on here back in December(link).

    Q1) Do you want to turn over the state that your ancestors spent centuries worth of blood, sweat and, tears building to people who are utterly indifferent to that heritage at best and outright hostile to it at worst? To people whose first principles exist in opposition to your own? To people who think that it’s the duty of the native population to adapt to the immigrants rather than the other way around?
    Israeli Answer: Hell no!

    Q2)What are the unifying principles of the… state going to be?
    We’re Jews! Everyone else is not Jews. The state exists to give Jews some measure of control over their destiny as a people. End of discussion.

    Q3:Do you want to leave for your descendants a future where they live as a despised minority, with their continued existence totally at the mercy of a majority who are conditioned from birth to believe that every misfortune or inconvenience they experience is ultimately the work of whites[or in this case, Jews]?
    Nope, we tried that for a couple millennia.

    Q4:Do you really believe that you have the right to make such a choice for future generations?
    No.

    Q5)If you answered yes to #3 and #4, can you think of any particular group who lived like that in the past, and if so, how did that work out for them in the long run?
    Uhhhh…see #3.

    Bonus Question) But what if it grows the economy?
    Where in our founding documents does it say we have to increase GDP at all costs?

    6/5! A++, though to be fair, you don’t really need an IQ typical of an Ashkenazim to do well on that quiz. You just need some critical thinking skills and the luxury of being able to draw breath without being called a racist.

    Of course the actual nuts and bolts of how this gets translated from abstract aims into results deserves some more scrutiny. I’d imagine Viktor Orban has made some inquiries to his pal Bibi.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  28. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    My gut reaction whenever Steve brings this up is that Israeli birthrates among secular types are still buoyed by a sort of siege mentality. I believe that Northern Ireland still has an elevated birthrate compared to the rest of the UK. How much of this results from Republicans and Unionists thinking about what could happen if the population composition changes radically? Such questions engender anxiety about the abstract(Northern Ireland does or doesn’t become part of the Republic) and the concrete(a change in demographics could cause one side to think they can win by resorting to violence or the other to think they have nothing to lose by doing so). Similar reasoning could apply to the Israeli case. Notice that they use the year 2000 as a baseline. The Second Intifada started in the fall of that year, and from everything I’ve read, it opened a lot of eyes among Israeli Jews. For many westerners(especially the highly educated) a society run by Muslims is something they never see with their own eyes unless they take an international flight. An Israeli Jew just needs a pair of binoculars.

    Mind you, caring about future generations still requires a belief that history keeps on going even after you die and that you owe something to people who come after you, which Jews seem to be rather good at on the whole.

    The other thing is that Israel has levels of beardy weirdness that simply don’t exist anymore in the western world outside of Muslim and Jewish ghettos, and maybe that rubs off on people further down the religiosity scale. For example, I’ve often wondered what percentage of people in each of the Israeli Jewish subsections are former members of a higher rung on the adherence ladder who have dropped out to some extent. A person may not be crazy about keeping dietary laws, but might still want more kids. There’s also the fact that educated western people live in bubbles that restrict their ability to even imagine having more than three children. A secular Jewish Israeli woman whose cousin is a mother of seven is able to see that three is probably doable. How many western career women of childbearing age have a cousin/sibling with more than three kids? Very few I’d imagine.

    Secular, educated Israeli Jews are bombarded with the same messages that drive down birthrates in every other modern country. Why should they behave differently than their Reform cousins in the US, who presumably maintain some sense of continuity dating back to antiquity?

    It isn’t simply that something like conscription instills a sense of shared fate, otherwise other countries with conscription would have elevated birth rates, and off the top of my head, other than Israel, they actually have the lowest ones (Finland, Singapore, South Korea, though unlike Israel, women in these countries aren’t obligated to serve).

    Do Israeli expats in western countries have fewer children than those of similar religious devotion/secular education back in Israel? Based on personal experience, I’d say no.

    The article notes a decrease in birthrates among the highly religious. Has Israel cut back subsidies to the fecund ultra-orthodox? For a long time they dragged the Jewish birthrate up because less-observant Jewish taxpayers funded their baby-making. If taxes were cut then maybe those productive secular Israelis found themselves able to afford children that they wanted anyway but couldn’t have because they were paying for the Haredim.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    For example, I’ve often wondered what percentage of people in each of the Israeli Jewish subsections are former members of a higher rung on the adherence ladder who have dropped out to some extent. A person may not be crazy about keeping dietary laws, but might still want more kids.

    Similarly, it's not uncommon for Amish dropouts to become Mennonites.

  29. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    I don’t think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!!

    A non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister would be a start(though wikipedia claims Sharon’s mother was a subbotnik).

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Little-realized fact: Not only has Israel never had a non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister, it's never had an Ashkenazi Prime Minister whose ancestors weren't from the historical Pale of Settlement. No Romanian, Hungarian or German.

    If Benny Gantz wins the election in April, he would be the first.
  30. @Simon in London
    Have secular Israelis become more nationalist over time? Do they identify more now with Netanyahu and Likud? It seems like when Israelis had moderate fertility the Labour party could win elections - they seem to have become a lot more right wing in recent decades?

    My suspicion, although I cannot prove it, is that much of the rise in “secular” fertility is driven by Sephardic Jews with higher fertility preferences dropping out of the “traditionalist” camp and becoming secular. In many cases these would be mixed Ashkenazi-Sephardi marriages, resulting in a kind of hybrid vigor.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    The Sephardics are now more than half the population of Israel and have the higher birth rates. But this is meaningless. The average Israeli Jewish IQ is 93. This gives them a 10 point advantage over the Muslim Arabs.

    In the West, Ashkenazis have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians.

    I want Israel's population to go higher. The best way is to expel the Jews from Western countries.
  31. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    My own pet theory is that the Pals have finally realised that try to reconquer their homeland is a lost cause. ‘Pushing against a piece of string’, as the saying goes.

    Belatedly, the Pals have come to the realisation that something far, far better than their own state – which, let’s face it would be an impoverished no hope basket case indistinguishable from Syria or Lebanon – namely mass emigration to the EU, and in particular Germany, where thanks to German taxpayers, they can live lives of exquisite ease and indolence. One would be a fool no to go, especially since the soft-headed soft dicked Eurocrats habitually give Pals most favored immigrant status.

    The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany……

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany……

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.'

    Add that Israeli and Israeli Jews have realized the Nazi dream far more perfectly than Germany ever did.

    , @Colin Wright
    '...The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany……

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.'

    Actually, the ultimate revenge is something else, and it's already starting to happen.

    Israeli Jews are emigrating to Germany themselves.
  32. @Anonymous
    My gut reaction whenever Steve brings this up is that Israeli birthrates among secular types are still buoyed by a sort of siege mentality. I believe that Northern Ireland still has an elevated birthrate compared to the rest of the UK. How much of this results from Republicans and Unionists thinking about what could happen if the population composition changes radically? Such questions engender anxiety about the abstract(Northern Ireland does or doesn't become part of the Republic) and the concrete(a change in demographics could cause one side to think they can win by resorting to violence or the other to think they have nothing to lose by doing so). Similar reasoning could apply to the Israeli case. Notice that they use the year 2000 as a baseline. The Second Intifada started in the fall of that year, and from everything I've read, it opened a lot of eyes among Israeli Jews. For many westerners(especially the highly educated) a society run by Muslims is something they never see with their own eyes unless they take an international flight. An Israeli Jew just needs a pair of binoculars.

    Mind you, caring about future generations still requires a belief that history keeps on going even after you die and that you owe something to people who come after you, which Jews seem to be rather good at on the whole.

    The other thing is that Israel has levels of beardy weirdness that simply don't exist anymore in the western world outside of Muslim and Jewish ghettos, and maybe that rubs off on people further down the religiosity scale. For example, I've often wondered what percentage of people in each of the Israeli Jewish subsections are former members of a higher rung on the adherence ladder who have dropped out to some extent. A person may not be crazy about keeping dietary laws, but might still want more kids. There's also the fact that educated western people live in bubbles that restrict their ability to even imagine having more than three children. A secular Jewish Israeli woman whose cousin is a mother of seven is able to see that three is probably doable. How many western career women of childbearing age have a cousin/sibling with more than three kids? Very few I'd imagine.

    Secular, educated Israeli Jews are bombarded with the same messages that drive down birthrates in every other modern country. Why should they behave differently than their Reform cousins in the US, who presumably maintain some sense of continuity dating back to antiquity?

    It isn't simply that something like conscription instills a sense of shared fate, otherwise other countries with conscription would have elevated birth rates, and off the top of my head, other than Israel, they actually have the lowest ones (Finland, Singapore, South Korea, though unlike Israel, women in these countries aren't obligated to serve).

    Do Israeli expats in western countries have fewer children than those of similar religious devotion/secular education back in Israel? Based on personal experience, I'd say no.

    The article notes a decrease in birthrates among the highly religious. Has Israel cut back subsidies to the fecund ultra-orthodox? For a long time they dragged the Jewish birthrate up because less-observant Jewish taxpayers funded their baby-making. If taxes were cut then maybe those productive secular Israelis found themselves able to afford children that they wanted anyway but couldn't have because they were paying for the Haredim.

    For example, I’ve often wondered what percentage of people in each of the Israeli Jewish subsections are former members of a higher rung on the adherence ladder who have dropped out to some extent. A person may not be crazy about keeping dietary laws, but might still want more kids.

    Similarly, it’s not uncommon for Amish dropouts to become Mennonites.

  33. @Anonymous
    Considering the physical size of Israel, the Jews are likely to outbreed their territory and the push will be on for the expansion to "Eretz Yisrael"

    http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future

    Which could lead to a war.

    Personally as an American, it doesn't matter to me, any more than it matters to me whether Ukrainian or Russian is spoken in the Ukraine or whether English or French is spoken in Quebec.


    But I damn sure do not want the US involved in any war this leads to.
    Let Israel fight its own wars, and if American Jews are such great Jews, let them go there and pick up a Galil. Leave us out of it.

    They would pick up a Tavor or M16.

    • Replies: @anon
    Whatever happened to the Steyr Aug? The Tavor is a bad copy.
  34. @Reg Cæsar

    In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister.
     
    As Yogi would say, "Only in America!"


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Briscoe_(politician)#Political_career

    In this case a genuine Hindu Yogi.

  35. @Bill P
    When you're systematically seizing land and handing it off to your youth sure fertility is going to go up. Back when we Americans were doing that we had the highest fertility in the Western world.

    When the opposite is happening it goes down. Go figure. It also goes down when the old are leveraging their ownership to effortlessly profit from younger generations' labor.

    Raising fertility is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be, but it takes sacrifice on the part of either a) another people, or b) older people. If white Americans suddenly put a policy in place whereby we could push minorities out of their neighborhoods and hand it over to our own kids (e.g. WWII Japanese internment) our fertility would rise in short order. We could also raise fertility by convincing older empty nesters to downgrade from four or five bedroom homes to condos instead of trying to sell the condos to young people at enormous profits.

    It all comes down to priorities. Our priorities are clearly different from Israelis', and it isn't really American Jews' fault. Try convincing a recently retired upper middle class baby boomer couple to move to a 1,200 square foot condo so a young couple can raise a family in their 2,500 square foot house. Not going to happen, even if it's their own kids.

    Amish old folks, on the other hand, will literally move into a shack in the backyard so their kids can take over the house and raise a large brood.

    Priorities.

    America could solve a lot of problems by getting rid of Medicare. What was the line in that popular Jewish religious text? “I will grant you three score and ten”. Not we’ll keep you alive a lot longer than you can naturally, so you can expend your family’s or community’s resources as you do nothing but complain.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    No. That's the kind of retarded logic among white conservatives that needs to go away. Getting rid of Medicare will not cause pre-modern family structures to reemerge. It's bizarre that you would say something like that in a discussion of Israel raising it's fertility without doing anything remotely like eliminating medical care for the elderly. It's like white conservatives are primitive robots who just spew out this 19th Cen. laissez faire garbage in response to any input.

    We need to instill a sense of pride in our people, not kill granny.
  36. @International Jew
    You'll see a gradual climb in the birth rate even if, within individual sectors -- haredi, traditional, secular -- the birth rate stays the same, simply because the high-birth-rate sectors become a bigger percent of the whole. Granted, this can't explain the entire change between 2001 and 2015...

    If things continue on their present course, I think the US will become less attractive to a certain kind of young American Jew. Unfortunately, the wrong kind -- the angry destructive atheists (pretty much every Jewish journalist Steve notices) -- will stay put in America and continue with their craziness.

    Sounds depressingly accurate.

  37. @Anonymous
    My own pet theory is that the Pals have finally realised that try to reconquer their homeland is a lost cause. 'Pushing against a piece of string', as the saying goes.

    Belatedly, the Pals have come to the realisation that something far, far better than their own state - which, let's face it would be an impoverished no hope basket case indistinguishable from Syria or Lebanon - namely mass emigration to the EU, and in particular Germany, where thanks to German taxpayers, they can live lives of exquisite ease and indolence. One would be a fool no to go, especially since the soft-headed soft dicked Eurocrats habitually give Pals most favored immigrant status.

    The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany......

    You couldn't make it up, as they say.

    ‘The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany……

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.’

    Add that Israeli and Israeli Jews have realized the Nazi dream far more perfectly than Germany ever did.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    You mean, colonizing the Slavic countries and enslaving the Slavs? Challenging Britain's supremacy on the high seas? Euthanizing all retarded people? Recovering Alsace and Lorraine?
  38. @Jason Liu
    The increased birth rate among liberal, secular, highly educated Israelis is the biggest miracle that's never been replicated anywhere else. Usually it's the opposite. The reasons seem to boil down to:

    1. Constant reminders of demographic threat (i.e. You're being replaced by Arabs!)

    2. Wide usage of fertility treatments

    Say what you will about Jews, but it turns out they're good at ethnonationalism too.

    ‘Say what you will about Jews, but it turns out they’re good at ethnonationalism too.’

    Sometimes I think God allowed the ethical abomination that is modern Israel to come into being to teach Jews humility.

    All those centuries of imagining themselves to be uniquely virtuous victims…let them into the driver’s seat and it turns out they’re at least as vile as any of us. Somewhat worse, in quite a few respects, actually. After all, most conquerors eventually settle down into some kind of workable accomodation with their erstwhile victims. The Jews of Israel are like a nasty little child, endlessly pulling the wings off the poor fly they’ve caught.

    …and even the nasty little boy will be embarrassed and try to hide what he’s doing if you catch him at it. Israeli Jews and those who support them seem to think they’re demonstrating their manhood by it or something.

    • Agree: fnn
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Your sorrow upon increasing evidence that Israel is here to stay and your soul-destroying misplaced resentment against it are wonderful to behold.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Colin, I'm not trying to get you to approve of Israel or like Jews because you are free to dislike anyone you want, and there are of course legitimate reasons to criticize Israel and Israeli behavior. It's like when people who hate America go on about America's crimes and bad behavior. There's no point in denying that America has done some terrible things. While acknowledging these things, I'm still going to love America. Now what?

    I would ask if you think minorities in Israel are significantly worse off than other minorities like Chinese Muslims, the Rohingya in Burma, Kurds wherever they are, Indian dalits, poor South African whites, Egyptian Copts, Indios in Latin America, Christians in Lebanon, Sindh Hindus, Bahais in Iran, etc

    Steve's post is about demographics. The Israeli Arab population was about 150,00 in 1948 (~1.2 million pre-partition) and now is slightly over 2 million. This is why when Palestinian allies in the West speak of "ethnic cleansing," one has to wonder if they understand the concept.

    About a million Arabs left or were chased or terrorized out of Israel, but about a million Jews came the other way, too. Now, the Jewish populations in Syria, Egypt, Yemen Morocco, Iraq, etc were substantial pre-'48, but about a million were expelled or 'encouraged to leave' by the Arab governments. Today the Jewish population in these countries is negligible.

    Population transfer occurred many times in the 20th century. Turkey and Greece exchanged 1.5 million people in 1923. The population transfer in India and Pakistan involved about 10 million people. The Poles kicked out about 3 million Germans, from homes they lived in for generations. There are many other examples of which you are well aware I'm sure.

    Again, detest Israel all you want, but by your standard there are no shortage of states we might describe as 'ethical abominations.' It's a question of emphasis, and I'm sincerely interested in why this particular state is unique in its abominable ethics.
  39. @Anonymous
    My own pet theory is that the Pals have finally realised that try to reconquer their homeland is a lost cause. 'Pushing against a piece of string', as the saying goes.

    Belatedly, the Pals have come to the realisation that something far, far better than their own state - which, let's face it would be an impoverished no hope basket case indistinguishable from Syria or Lebanon - namely mass emigration to the EU, and in particular Germany, where thanks to German taxpayers, they can live lives of exquisite ease and indolence. One would be a fool no to go, especially since the soft-headed soft dicked Eurocrats habitually give Pals most favored immigrant status.

    The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany......

    You couldn't make it up, as they say.

    ‘…The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany……

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.’

    Actually, the ultimate revenge is something else, and it’s already starting to happen.

    Israeli Jews are emigrating to Germany themselves.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Eventually, all they will find is the Middle East 2.0
    , @Joe Walker
    Because moving to Germany worked out so well for Jews in the past.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Better them than...some other kinds of immigrants.
  40. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    First part is OK, with one significant addendum- permanent existential crisis & the sense of ethnic demographic warfare. Religion is not enough. It’s a question of survival where any other option is obliteration.

    The second part is mostly usual anti-Jewish nonsense. China’s fertility rates are abysmal, also Japanese & all eastern European, including Greeks. Even growing economies with able populations are hedonistic & if there is not a national disaster & imminent, visible ethnicity/race as the existential threat, their fertility rates will be under replacement levels (as are for US Jews).
    Modern nations have, all over the world, lost their religions & that’s the issue.

    Simply, the story that Jewish constant blabbering about Auschwitz & Hitler has something significant to do with birth rates is nothing but a childish nonsense.

    What is the solution is actually more something like sci fi nightmare- we don’t need many people as any time before, no more than 1-2 children per woman, and more breeding races & religions need to be isolated to diminish in size naturally because of mass hungers, epidemics, lack of medicine, hygiene etc. Culling the herd….

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Agree with all and especially your last paragraph. If various races and regions want to breed like there is no tomorrow then let them, but bottle them up and isolate them. Make sure they get no missiles and nukes. This means nature takes over and a rational population size results over time.
    Example: Just read today that Haitian migrant invasion of Turks & Caicos and the Bahamas is a growing problem.
    , @Svigor

    First part is OK, with one significant addendum- permanent existential crisis & the sense of ethnic demographic warfare. Religion is not enough. It’s a question of survival where any other option is obliteration.
     
    Obliteration via soft genocide of panmixia, which Jews have been pushing on )))us((( with great vigor for the better part of a century, at least.
  41. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    They’re still a minority, an extremely tiny one. Blaming Jews for white or in particular WASP apathy, extreme altruism or self-flagellation over race seems absurd to me. It’s not the Jews fault that the Bushes of the country see nothing wrong with inviting the entire world while expanding mindless consumerism under the umbrella of democracy to the world.

    American whites post WW2 probably created and lived in the most affluent, secure time and place in human history. They decided to throw it all the way out of guilt over their good fortune. Jews can’t be blamed for that.

    • Replies: @Issac
    Yeah, I don't know of any diaspora involved in the Bush admins, that's for sure. Should we cue the laugh track?
    , @Clyde

    American whites post WW2 probably created and lived in the most affluent, secure time and place in human history. They decided to throw it all the way out of guilt over their good fortune. Jews can’t be blamed for that.
     
    American Jews amounted to tiddlywinks and jokes back then. All the elites like FDR knew is to keep them out. WASPs guided America during and post WW2 but there was a slow going on WASP intelligence and testosterone collapse. Going on behind closed doors. Within their sons and daughters and heirs, where they gravitated to easy and silly type rescue careers and non- Civil dominance and engagement except in the arts.
  42. @Lot
    The Negev is fine for a while, but what happens when Muslims/Africans take over France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England circa 2050? Room for those countries' ~1.5 million Jews (and many of their non-Jewish spouses) in present Israel after another 30 years of 3.2 TFR?

    Robots/drones/AI will make this a lot more practical in a 15-20 years than it seems now.

    “what happens when Muslims/Africans take over France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England circa 2050”

    Our elites will decide before that time that “social cohesion” requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work. The associated ID cards, ubiquitous cameras and a version of China’s social credit system will ensure the ideal – a hopelessly divided yet not-quite-dreadful semi-productive country where no one ethnic group has the power to oppose the elites.

    (Meanwhile there’ll be a non-negligible Jewish exodus in the general direction of China. I’m not sure I’ll live long enough to see how that one pans out)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No.

    Everyone in England thought that mass immigration had virtually 'stopped' after the period of the Thatcher/Major Tory government of 1979 - 97.
    This was after the turmoil of the Powell speeches, the rise of the NF, and massive anger and unhappiness.

    Then came Blair and The Economist.

    Moral:
    Like dogs going back to their vomit, the *only* thing that motivates politicians is being thought of as 'smart' by The Economist. Absolutely no price whatsoever is too high to pay for Economist approbation.
    , @Bill P
    China won't take in Jews. A few perhaps, but never more than enough to manage, and they'll provide incentives to marry out so that their descendants will be Han within a few generations.

    The Chinese have already started cracking down on Jewish efforts to resurrect the Jewish community in Kaifeng. It's pretty naive to think that a Chinese regime would tolerate an independent Jewish community in China. Although there's a lot that Chinese admire about Jews, the customs and ways of Jewish communities and society would be a direct affront to Han civilization and culture, and they would be duly extinguished as a result.
    , @Lot
    "Our elites will decide before that time that “social cohesion” requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work."

    I wish I were so optimistic.
    , @Perspective

    Our elites will decide before that time that “social cohesion” requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work.
     
    Can't say I share your optimism there.

    If Western countries had an elite that didn't so despise their own people, they should study what key elements are giving Israeli's a fertility boost. Particularly how Israel was able to raise the secular TFR to the replacement level. We need to replicate and tailor this approach to Western countries.
  43. @Anonymous

    I don’t think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!!
     
    A non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister would be a start(though wikipedia claims Sharon's mother was a subbotnik).

    Little-realized fact: Not only has Israel never had a non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister, it’s never had an Ashkenazi Prime Minister whose ancestors weren’t from the historical Pale of Settlement. No Romanian, Hungarian or German.

    If Benny Gantz wins the election in April, he would be the first.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Re: Israeli Prime Ministers came from the former Polish-Lithuanian
    Commonwealth

    Let’s recall that the Pale of Settlement was the area to which the Jews were
    confined as they were forbidden from settling in Russia (Moscow, SPB, etc)
    until the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. The Pale was roughly coincident with
    the Polish-Lithuanian Republic (Commonwealth) - a vast territory comprised
    of central Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and western Ukraine - which fell under
    Russian control after Poland’s Partitions in the late 1700s. Both Ben-Gurion
    and Netanyahu’s father (named Mileikowski) were born in Warsaw. That’s
    where the vast majority of the world’s Ashkenazi Jews lived. Most of the
    American Jews and Israeli Jews are ultimately descended from the Polish-
    Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    Poland in the 1930s was a smaller version of the Commonwealth - it still
    contained big chunks of Lithuania, Belarus, and western Ukraine, and was
    10% Jewish and 15% Ukrainian in terms of the population. By contrast,
    in the 1930s both Germany and the Soviet Union had minuscule numbers
    of Jews, both under 1%.

    What’s interesting is that Israel on February 18-19 will host a meeting of the
    prime ministers of the Visegrad 4 (Poland, Hungary, Czechia, and Slovakia).
    Combined with the polls indicating that about 60% Israelis see no future
    in Israel and want to emigrate (primarily to the US of course), I wonder if
    this is a harbinger of more Jews wanting to return to Central Europe?
    Already many of them are moving to Germany, and there are long lines
    at the Polish embassy in Israel of Jews applying for Polish passports.
    Along with the 2-3 million Ukrainians and Belarusians who are now
    working, studying, and marrying ( many Polish men are marrying Ukrainian
    girls) in Poland, it seems like we are witnessing the rebirth of the Polish-
    Lithuanian Commonwealth. Was Pilsudski prophetic with his idea of
    the Intermarium?
    , @International Jew
    The Hungarian Jews were just Galician Jews who migrated over the low mountains that today separate Slovakia from Poland. There was no border there because the Austro-Hungarian Empire ruled both sides.
    And what was Galicia but Austria's share of dismembered Poland — just as the Pale was Russia's share. So the cultural distinction wasn't so meaningful.

    Romania was the same story, though not quite as neatly as there were many Sephardi Jews in the south.
  44. @Tyrion 2
    What does Israel that all of the following not have?

    South Korea: 1.17

    Iran: 1.66

    Finland: 1.65

    Moldova: 1.2

    Germany 1.5

    Switzerland: 1.5

    Portugal: 1.3

    Mauritius: 1.4

    China: 1.6

    Cuba: 1.7

    United Arab Emirates: 1.7

    Barbados: 1.8

    North Korea: 1.9

    Hungary: 1.4

    Thin, feminine 20 something women and masculine outgoing 20 something men?

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    The desire and ability to enjoy the most enjoyable thing in life: a family.
  45. Boycott, Divest, Sanctions

  46. ‘Thin, feminine 20 something women and masculine outgoing 20 something men?’

    Sadism and bullying can occur simultaneously with masculinity but are not synonyms for it.

    It's kind of pathetic that you and so many Zionists appear to be unable to make this distinction. You actually think your viciousness means you must be real men.

  47. I’ve had similar conversation with Dmitry some time ago, but I would add some points…

    * Israeli Jews have TFR beyond replacement level, and they are the only developed nation with that characteristic, an anomaly. But: a) a significant part of it is demographic race with Arabs. Without enemy as that, why would Czechs or Norwegians rise their TFR? b) a big chunk goes to religious- not ultra-Orthodox- Jews/Jewesses, who somehow accept male dominance & traditional lifestyle at home (just- they do not stay confined to home: mothers of 4-5 children have PhD from Harvard in psychology or mom of 3 kids is a pediatrician).

    So, you have to have a national culture where religion, not too restrictive to status of females, does play a role & women are ennobled by their role in the whole fabric of society. Religion should be best thisworldly, with cooking, food, various taboos & family rituals- not theologically or metaphysically too heavy and exacting.

    * Israeli women have it good:

    but, statistically, they are not raving lunatic feminists as is the case with college-infesting US & Northern European women. But, why then Italy & Spain do have abysmal birth rates (loony feminism not very present there)? Don’t know, must be some historical lows in the sine wave….

    * most Israeli Jews are religious. Not ultra-Orthodox, but still religious. Artsy-fartsy women don’t have children there, either.

    * over 50% of them are of middle-Eastern origin, so traditionalist primitivism & family as a basic unit still retain their centripetal force

    * I would say that it is Zionism, or Jewish nationalism as the prime motivator for higher than average fertility among relatively well-off secular Jews. Demographic marathon with Muslims, that’s it. Zionism is, contrary to Jewish and antisemitic myths, a typical 19th C national ideology from central & eastern Europe. So, various orthodox religionists may have higher fertility because they’re, basically, pre-modern; on the other hand, fertile Israeli Jews need not be religious nor patriarchally backward.

    Nationalism & ethnic claustrophobia (sea of Arabs around them) are more than enough to explain this anomaly.

    * as an illustration (I’ve come across this):
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/celebrating-70-extraordinary-women-of-israel/

    Celebrating 70 extraordinary women of Israel
    ………………….

    5. Anita Weisfeld
    ……..
    Together, they have three grown children and nine grandchildren.

    7. Miriam Ballin
    ………
    Miriam spent five years in Australia before moving to Israel with her husband and 5 children.

    13. Shari Mendes
    ………..
    Shari, her husband David and their four children made aliyah in 2003 from New Jersey

    15. Dr. Yael Maizels
    …………
    Proud mother of five, Yael holds a BA in Biology and Jewish History from UPenn and completed her PhD at Hebrew University in Developmental and Cancer Biology.

    You see- all those women are, basically, religious. Just look at their biographies or clothing.

    Liberal-atheist female cohort is in Israel small, very small compared to European & advanced Asian countries.

    My prognosis is that, if things settle there, they will be no different from US Jews or any other developed country, TFR below 2.1.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    A very good analysis of the Israeli situation. They are very conscious of the demographic war with the Muslim nations and territories that surround and engulf them. Their women are doing their part, meaning they are doing their national survival imperative.
    Plus knowing that women are the conformist oriented sex.....The Israeli Jewish mothers are displaying and competing for nice large presentable families. Same as Mormons do here.
  48. @jbwilson24
    "Birthrates are falling across the world, especially in developed nations—except in one"

    I don't think that is true. Georgia has upped its reproductive output.

    Is Georgia “developed”? But Georgia is unusually ethnocentric, like Israel.

  49. @IHTG
    Little-realized fact: Not only has Israel never had a non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister, it's never had an Ashkenazi Prime Minister whose ancestors weren't from the historical Pale of Settlement. No Romanian, Hungarian or German.

    If Benny Gantz wins the election in April, he would be the first.

    Re: Israeli Prime Ministers came from the former Polish-Lithuanian
    Commonwealth

    Let’s recall that the Pale of Settlement was the area to which the Jews were
    confined as they were forbidden from settling in Russia (Moscow, SPB, etc)
    until the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. The Pale was roughly coincident with
    the Polish-Lithuanian Republic (Commonwealth) – a vast territory comprised
    of central Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and western Ukraine – which fell under
    Russian control after Poland’s Partitions in the late 1700s. Both Ben-Gurion
    and Netanyahu’s father (named Mileikowski) were born in Warsaw. That’s
    where the vast majority of the world’s Ashkenazi Jews lived. Most of the
    American Jews and Israeli Jews are ultimately descended from the Polish-
    Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    Poland in the 1930s was a smaller version of the Commonwealth – it still
    contained big chunks of Lithuania, Belarus, and western Ukraine, and was
    10% Jewish and 15% Ukrainian in terms of the population. By contrast,
    in the 1930s both Germany and the Soviet Union had minuscule numbers
    of Jews, both under 1%.

    What’s interesting is that Israel on February 18-19 will host a meeting of the
    prime ministers of the Visegrad 4 (Poland, Hungary, Czechia, and Slovakia).
    Combined with the polls indicating that about 60% Israelis see no future
    in Israel and want to emigrate (primarily to the US of course), I wonder if
    this is a harbinger of more Jews wanting to return to Central Europe?
    Already many of them are moving to Germany, and there are long lines
    at the Polish embassy in Israel of Jews applying for Polish passports.
    Along with the 2-3 million Ukrainians and Belarusians who are now
    working, studying, and marrying ( many Polish men are marrying Ukrainian
    girls) in Poland, it seems like we are witnessing the rebirth of the Polish-
    Lithuanian Commonwealth. Was Pilsudski prophetic with his idea of
    the Intermarium?

    • Replies: @Nachum
    60%? Where do get this stuff?

    Israelis apply for European passports for one reason: To make travel to and around the EU easier.

    By the way, Ben Gurion wasn't born in Warsaw.
  50. @Colin Wright
    '...The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany……

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.'

    Actually, the ultimate revenge is something else, and it's already starting to happen.

    Israeli Jews are emigrating to Germany themselves.

    Eventually, all they will find is the Middle East 2.0

  51. I am actually surprised by this. I was under the false impression that the Arabs had upped their game in response to Jewish gains in TFR. Still, I wonder how many people Israel can support without a war breaking out.

  52. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "what happens when Muslims/Africans take over France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England circa 2050"

    Our elites will decide before that time that "social cohesion" requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work. The associated ID cards, ubiquitous cameras and a version of China's social credit system will ensure the ideal - a hopelessly divided yet not-quite-dreadful semi-productive country where no one ethnic group has the power to oppose the elites.

    (Meanwhile there'll be a non-negligible Jewish exodus in the general direction of China. I'm not sure I'll live long enough to see how that one pans out)

    No.

    Everyone in England thought that mass immigration had virtually ‘stopped’ after the period of the Thatcher/Major Tory government of 1979 – 97.
    This was after the turmoil of the Powell speeches, the rise of the NF, and massive anger and unhappiness.

    Then came Blair and The Economist.

    Moral:
    Like dogs going back to their vomit, the *only* thing that motivates politicians is being thought of as ‘smart’ by The Economist. Absolutely no price whatsoever is too high to pay for Economist approbation.

  53. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150.

    So it’s a science fiction movie, right?

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Re: IQ worship

    Jack, Israel is a low IQ country. It doesn't even have a university in the top 100

    , @HA
    "So it’s a science fiction movie, right?"

    We could ask Madame Curie for her opinion. Or Marian Rejewski, who did the lion's share of cracking the Enigma codes but never got the plaudits or the fame. These individuals and countless like them might also offer an analysis as to what happens to a country's people over several centuries when you grant an inimical minority (some of who to this day, evidently, lose no opportunity to cast the rest as stupid and lazy and vile) the right to squeeze the vast majority of the already poor and brutalized populace in such a way as it becomes paradise for said minority and hell for the vast majority of the remainder?

    Oh, I know the standard line. That was hundreds of years, ago; it doesn't count. And maybe that's is exactly the right answer. But as Gregory Clark indicated, the money amassed by a certain group of people tends to linger. And linger.

    For the record, there should be no dispute or attempt to minimize the six million that died, and all the horrific evil their deaths entailed, but it mustn't be the last word, or we truly will have forgotten the lessons of history. Indeed, to paraphrase Anthony Jeselnik, given the way that the system was set up in the aforementiond paradise/hell for those centuries, we seriously need to spend more time pondering the mystery of how it was that that happened only once.

    , @TomSchmidt
    Polish IQ is the 8th highest in the world.

    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-in-poland.html

    Perhaps the science fiction part of your comment is that Poles could never be hyper-pushy?
    , @Anon 2
    Jack, Jack, you always complain about antisemitism so “Why do you look at the
    speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?”
    , @Dube
    You expose yourself, Jack D.
  54. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    When you're systematically seizing land and handing it off to your youth sure fertility is going to go up. Back when we Americans were doing that we had the highest fertility in the Western world.

    When the opposite is happening it goes down. Go figure. It also goes down when the old are leveraging their ownership to effortlessly profit from younger generations' labor.

    Raising fertility is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be, but it takes sacrifice on the part of either a) another people, or b) older people. If white Americans suddenly put a policy in place whereby we could push minorities out of their neighborhoods and hand it over to our own kids (e.g. WWII Japanese internment) our fertility would rise in short order. We could also raise fertility by convincing older empty nesters to downgrade from four or five bedroom homes to condos instead of trying to sell the condos to young people at enormous profits.

    It all comes down to priorities. Our priorities are clearly different from Israelis', and it isn't really American Jews' fault. Try convincing a recently retired upper middle class baby boomer couple to move to a 1,200 square foot condo so a young couple can raise a family in their 2,500 square foot house. Not going to happen, even if it's their own kids.

    Amish old folks, on the other hand, will literally move into a shack in the backyard so their kids can take over the house and raise a large brood.

    Priorities.

    The U.S. has given upwards of $120 billion to Israel in the past 70 years. Germany almost the same. Swiss banks and companies (Volkswagen, Deutsche Bank, Siemens, et al.) have had to give billions of dollars in reparations. The U.S. State Department has overseen reparations from France and French rail companies to Israel and individual Jews in Israel.

    Meanwhile, peoples who are indigenous to the Middle East (unlike Askenazi) have been slaughtered by the millions, enslaved, displaced, robbed of their property because of European Jews. Do you think they will ever see any redress in this life?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Slaughtered by the millions." That's a new one. Even nakba fetishists quote figures in the hundres of thousands.

    Also Muslim Arabs are not indigenous to the levant. Look up the Arab conquest of Byzantium amd Persia. But you probably knew that already.
  55. Go Israel! I’m proud of them. The like minded white people in the US and Europe should emulate the Israeli success.

  56. @Anonymous
    Considering the physical size of Israel, the Jews are likely to outbreed their territory and the push will be on for the expansion to "Eretz Yisrael"

    http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future

    Which could lead to a war.

    Personally as an American, it doesn't matter to me, any more than it matters to me whether Ukrainian or Russian is spoken in the Ukraine or whether English or French is spoken in Quebec.


    But I damn sure do not want the US involved in any war this leads to.
    Let Israel fight its own wars, and if American Jews are such great Jews, let them go there and pick up a Galil. Leave us out of it.

    Considering the physical size of Israel, the Jews are likely to outbreed their territory and the push will be on for the expansion to “Eretz Yisrael”

    http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future

    Which could lead to a war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

    Israel is listed at 407 people/km^2. India has 409. South Korea has 515. Bangladesh has 1153. Singapore has 7804.

    They can double their population density in their current territory without geographic expansion. That will take decades even with a high birth rate. Lots of things will change in that time.

  57. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    No secrets here. All it takes is for elites to be sufficiently nationalistic to adopt strongly pro-natalist policies. See, apart from the Israel, Russia under Putin – a change from 1.2 in 2000 to 1.8 today.

    Or take Iceland: as recently as 2010 the fertility rate was 2.2, above population replacement. Then they opened immigration floodgates – and voila, the fertility rate went down to 1.7 today.

    • Replies: @Hail

    Iceland
     
    They had a financial crisis that you are ignoring.
  58. @Jack D

    Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150.
     
    So it's a science fiction movie, right?

    Re: IQ worship

    Jack, Israel is a low IQ country. It doesn’t even have a university in the top 100

  59. @Bardon Kaldian
    First part is OK, with one significant addendum- permanent existential crisis & the sense of ethnic demographic warfare. Religion is not enough. It's a question of survival where any other option is obliteration.

    The second part is mostly usual anti-Jewish nonsense. China's fertility rates are abysmal, also Japanese & all eastern European, including Greeks. Even growing economies with able populations are hedonistic & if there is not a national disaster & imminent, visible ethnicity/race as the existential threat, their fertility rates will be under replacement levels (as are for US Jews).
    Modern nations have, all over the world, lost their religions & that's the issue.

    Simply, the story that Jewish constant blabbering about Auschwitz & Hitler has something significant to do with birth rates is nothing but a childish nonsense.

    What is the solution is actually more something like sci fi nightmare- we don't need many people as any time before, no more than 1-2 children per woman, and more breeding races & religions need to be isolated to diminish in size naturally because of mass hungers, epidemics, lack of medicine, hygiene etc. Culling the herd....

    Agree with all and especially your last paragraph. If various races and regions want to breed like there is no tomorrow then let them, but bottle them up and isolate them. Make sure they get no missiles and nukes. This means nature takes over and a rational population size results over time.
    Example: Just read today that Haitian migrant invasion of Turks & Caicos and the Bahamas is a growing problem.

  60. J says: • Website

    In Israel, like everywhere else, it is very difficult to bring up more than one or two (well spaced) children. The kinder are very expensive, the children have to be taxied from one place to other, health care is crowded (any consultation in a hospital emergency room takes a full day till they let you go, and parents spend nights in hospitals), the care for elderly parents is impossibly expensive or requires full time dedication, life is very difficult. All these things require personal time, money will not help. In the “territories” it is even more difficult, as well as dangerous. Very bad neighbors there. Yet Jewish women are doing it out of inborn over-optimism (things can be improved by their personal activism) and the legendary self-sacrifice of the Yiddische Mame. They love to “kill themselves” for their children.

  61. @Jack D

    Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150.
     
    So it's a science fiction movie, right?

    “So it’s a science fiction movie, right?”

    We could ask Madame Curie for her opinion. Or Marian Rejewski, who did the lion’s share of cracking the Enigma codes but never got the plaudits or the fame. These individuals and countless like them might also offer an analysis as to what happens to a country’s people over several centuries when you grant an inimical minority (some of who to this day, evidently, lose no opportunity to cast the rest as stupid and lazy and vile) the right to squeeze the vast majority of the already poor and brutalized populace in such a way as it becomes paradise for said minority and hell for the vast majority of the remainder?

    Oh, I know the standard line. That was hundreds of years, ago; it doesn’t count. And maybe that’s is exactly the right answer. But as Gregory Clark indicated, the money amassed by a certain group of people tends to linger. And linger.

    For the record, there should be no dispute or attempt to minimize the six million that died, and all the horrific evil their deaths entailed, but it mustn’t be the last word, or we truly will have forgotten the lessons of history. Indeed, to paraphrase Anthony Jeselnik, given the way that the system was set up in the aforementiond paradise/hell for those centuries, we seriously need to spend more time pondering the mystery of how it was that that happened only once.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Some people can't take a joke.
  62. @Jack D

    Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150.
     
    So it's a science fiction movie, right?

    Polish IQ is the 8th highest in the world.

    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-in-poland.html

    Perhaps the science fiction part of your comment is that Poles could never be hyper-pushy?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Poles make good engineers and scientists and reasonably good doctors and excellent skilled tradesmen, but mediocre lawyers and politicians at best. They aren't politically smart. They are the anti-Jews in the sense that what makes Jews successful they don't have at all, They lack pushiness, chutzpah, whatever you want to call it.
  63. @Simon in London
    Have secular Israelis become more nationalist over time? Do they identify more now with Netanyahu and Likud? It seems like when Israelis had moderate fertility the Labour party could win elections - they seem to have become a lot more right wing in recent decades?

    they seem to have become a lot more right wing in recent decades?

    You might say that. Parties that still support the idea of creating a Palestinian state are, all of them together, polling at about 10% of the Jewish vote.

    Israeli Jews now vote like whites in Mississippi.

    It’s Bayesian inference, as Steve says.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Israeli Jewish voters are majority thinking like rednecks, which results in the central-right government.

    But Israel does not have parliamentary sovereignty. The final power in passing its laws is decided by the Supreme Court (which itself does not have a constitution).

    Supreme Court is equivalent of the Senate and part of the Executive in the USA (if you also imagine USA without a President -Executive).

    All legislation can only pass, if Supreme Court agrees with it.

    Unlike in the USA, the Supreme Court is appointed by itself, as a members club. Their self-consciousness is as "Judicial Activists". This has created a vastly liberal orientation in the court.

    So in Israeli politics it can be observed, often a conflict between "right-wing" rhetoric, and actually highly liberal (to perhaps suicidal in some ways) actions and legislation.

    "Right-wing rhetoric" is to try to appease voters, but very little converts to legislation.

    For example, in illegal immigration, no Sudanese or Eritrean has been deported (the result is much more liberal than the EU which has deported both these nationalities in recent years).

    At the same time, there has been many years of rhetoric about deportation. The illegal immigrants from those African countries also access all free education, free medical care, and employment rights, so there is almost no incentive for them to want to leave. (On the other hand Ukrainian and Georgian illegal immigrants, are instantly deported from Israel if they are discovered, and of course have no access to education or healthcare, and have no right to work).

    So there is recently a debate about possibility of introducing delimitation clause, which would allow parliament to override Supreme Court, if it obtains special majority.

    If that would ever occur, then there would be a shift to "centre-right politics" in Israeli legislation, as the elected government will then be able to gain some parliamentary sovereignty.

    Until this occurs, however, it will be observed that Israel will continue its current pattern - right-wing rhetoric, with ultra liberal actions and legislation.

  64. @Kirt
    Clearly this isn't due to any increase in religious devotion among the Jews of Israel; indeed the opposite seems to be the case. Since religious dedication is usually associated with high fertility and secularization with falling birthrates, this makes for quite a puzzle. Have incentives sponsored by the Israeli government been a cause of this? Government incentives have been at best marginally effective in other countries. I've heard it suggested that fertility rises when people can see a bright future for their children, whether or not this perspective is accurate. If this is true, the Jews of Israel and particularly the less observant ones must foresee a future which is bright indeed.

    I think their universal conscription, which excludes the Arabs/Palestinians, is a big part of their cohesiveness and optimism. I mean, you spend a year or so of the most formative time in your life working as a team with your countrymen. Plus it helps the youths find Jewish mates and get going on the big family. Brilliant for a small country.

  65. @IHTG
    Little-realized fact: Not only has Israel never had a non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister, it's never had an Ashkenazi Prime Minister whose ancestors weren't from the historical Pale of Settlement. No Romanian, Hungarian or German.

    If Benny Gantz wins the election in April, he would be the first.

    The Hungarian Jews were just Galician Jews who migrated over the low mountains that today separate Slovakia from Poland. There was no border there because the Austro-Hungarian Empire ruled both sides.
    And what was Galicia but Austria’s share of dismembered Poland — just as the Pale was Russia’s share. So the cultural distinction wasn’t so meaningful.

    Romania was the same story, though not quite as neatly as there were many Sephardi Jews in the south.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    In Israel's early days, Romanian Jews (who had survived the Holocaust almost in their entirety and arrived in the hundreds of thousands) had a kind of white trash status.

    Hungarians and Germans were more elite, but there weren't very many of them.
  66. @Simon in London
    Have secular Israelis become more nationalist over time? Do they identify more now with Netanyahu and Likud? It seems like when Israelis had moderate fertility the Labour party could win elections - they seem to have become a lot more right wing in recent decades?

    Someone correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t Russian immigration moved Israel rightward too? Sort of the opposite of America.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    wait, I know tons of Russian/Slavic immigrants and they're all right-wing Christians.
  67. @Colin Wright
    'Say what you will about Jews, but it turns out they’re good at ethnonationalism too.'

    Sometimes I think God allowed the ethical abomination that is modern Israel to come into being to teach Jews humility.

    All those centuries of imagining themselves to be uniquely virtuous victims...let them into the driver's seat and it turns out they're at least as vile as any of us. Somewhat worse, in quite a few respects, actually. After all, most conquerors eventually settle down into some kind of workable accomodation with their erstwhile victims. The Jews of Israel are like a nasty little child, endlessly pulling the wings off the poor fly they've caught.

    ...and even the nasty little boy will be embarrassed and try to hide what he's doing if you catch him at it. Israeli Jews and those who support them seem to think they're demonstrating their manhood by it or something.

    Your sorrow upon increasing evidence that Israel is here to stay and your soul-destroying misplaced resentment against it are wonderful to behold.

  68. This comment is about the misunderstood arithmetic of Total Fertility Rates.

    From the text:

    [From] 7.5 [to] 6.7 [=] a drop of 10 percent.

    [From] 4.0 [to] 4.2 [=] a rise of perhaps 5 percent.

    from about 2.6 … to 3.0 [=] an increase of about 15 percent.

    from about 2.1 … to about 2.6 [=] almost 20 percent

    from about 1.8… to about 2.1 [=] rose by almost 15 percent

    Leaving aside all the estimates and assumptions that are built into TFRs and leaving aside the fact that TFR totally ignores the effect of faster or slower generations, people, even intelligent people, commonly misunderstand the arithmetic of TFR.

    The above-quoted percent changes appear mathematically correct, indeed they are mathematically correct … in a reality that revolves around zero as the fulcrum point. But in TFR reality, zero is not the fulcrum point, two is (or about 2.1, depending on certain details.) To use zero-fulcrum arithmetic in a two-fulcrum world is to be misled.

    A normal, zero-fulcrum reader of this text will think, “Ah, the first population’s growth rate will slow by 10%, the second’s rate will increase by 5%, the third by 15%, etc.”

    No. Wrong wrong wrong.

    As the fulcrum point in TFR is two-ish, the first population’s growth rate has dropped not by 10%, but by (from 5.5 to 4.7 additional people per procreating pair) about 14%.

    The second population’s growth rate has increased not by 5% but by (from 2.0 to 2.2 additional people per procreating pair) about 10%, about double the change the misled reader thinks they’re getting.

    Note that these errors become more dramatic the closer you get to the fulcrum point (two). The last quoted example (from 1.8 to 2.1) is not a 15% change in reality. Since the 0.3 TFR difference straddles the fulcrum, the real world change is infinity(!) percent, which sounds absurd, but when you consider that at 1.8 the population was headed for extinction, while at 2.1 they are headed for rebirth, suddenly that ∞% change appears as a ratification of the reality on the ground rather than as a muddling of it as happens when bored journalists abstractly run habitual math on bloodless bits.

    Note further that this is even more relevant for discussions of European and American TFR where subgroups with apparently only slightly different TFR near the fulcrum point are competing for the same land.

    Native Group A has TFR 1.8 while immigrant Group B has TFR 2.3?

    The conventional reader sees this and subconsciously thinks, well it’s only “half a child” difference so it doesn’t matter too much.

    No. Group A is diminishing 10% per generation while Group B is growing 15% per generation. The difference isn’t “half a child” or even 25 percentage points. The difference is the future or lack of it. The difference is literally infinite.

    Ever heard of compound interest? This is the same thing, but with life. Also, chances are that Group A has long (30+ year) generations, while Group B has short (20-ish year) generations, so this is really compound interest on steroids around a baseline of two rather than zero.

    • Replies: @m___
    A beauty of meaningful reasoning, but lost to our crowd. This is by design.

    The unz.com site seeks to weight opinion by the standard tools. Somewhere to be of use, somehow, to be sold as statistical data to poll and politics designers, a platform to lift some hapstancer to fame for a day. Short attention spans, repeated errors, circular reasoning, pliers statistics (Karlin is the champ), it is ever present and meant to be. Not Hollywood, not RT, certainly not Russia Insider, or Amy Goodman, but as close as the niche allows.

    You better hush off to some deeper cave, because here you are in the middle of a circus, a turning "caroussel", and it is designed to be just that.

    A regular commenter, Peter Auss, points to the situation as a bar, a pub, and that is close. A stylish Wien-isch coffeehouse, with succulent pastries, discreet music, not Starbucks, but still, parvenu. We are what we are, and that is still a fraction above anything else called "The American People".
    , @istevefan

    No. Group A is diminishing 10% per generation while Group B is growing 15% per generation. The difference isn’t “half a child” or even 25 percentage points. The difference is the future or lack of it. The difference is literally infinite.
     
    Interesting analysis. But your conclusion only matters if Group A has competition in its territory. If Group A is safely alone in its territory it will face a population decrease, but that might not be a bad thing. This is why the USA and the European world are staring at the abyss, while Japan and South Korea are not. Our birth rates would not necessarily be a problem in and of themselves. They are a problem because our leaders have opened our borders to all comers.
  69. @YetAnotherAnon
    "what happens when Muslims/Africans take over France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England circa 2050"

    Our elites will decide before that time that "social cohesion" requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work. The associated ID cards, ubiquitous cameras and a version of China's social credit system will ensure the ideal - a hopelessly divided yet not-quite-dreadful semi-productive country where no one ethnic group has the power to oppose the elites.

    (Meanwhile there'll be a non-negligible Jewish exodus in the general direction of China. I'm not sure I'll live long enough to see how that one pans out)

    China won’t take in Jews. A few perhaps, but never more than enough to manage, and they’ll provide incentives to marry out so that their descendants will be Han within a few generations.

    The Chinese have already started cracking down on Jewish efforts to resurrect the Jewish community in Kaifeng. It’s pretty naive to think that a Chinese regime would tolerate an independent Jewish community in China. Although there’s a lot that Chinese admire about Jews, the customs and ways of Jewish communities and society would be a direct affront to Han civilization and culture, and they would be duly extinguished as a result.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    It’s pretty naive to think that a Chinese regime would tolerate an independent Jewish community in China.
     
    The key word here is regime. The Son of Heaven is a jealous deity, and the current one, surnamed Xi, is more jealous than many. I suspect the average Chinese couldn't possibly care less. Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore are fairly live-and-let-live places compared to China's ruler-imposed absolutism.
  70. @al-Gharaniq

    But this brings us to Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza, where determining real fertility rates is freighted with problems.
     
    Cue the handwaving.

    Of course numbers in non-Israeli controlled territories is going to be difficult—if not impossible—to count reliably. The author shrugs these aside though, as if to pretend it doesn't contest his thesis: keep f****** and giving birth.

    So while Arab Israelis are exhibiting lower brith rates vis a vis Israelis, the fact that Arab Palestinians *might* be out reproducing the Israelis is too much of existential threat to seriously examine.

    Regardless, it is interesting that highly religious Israelis have higher birth rates. I wonder how this relates to their socioeconomic status and views on "right of return." Israel does have open borders... so long as you're "Jewish" enough.

    ‘…Regardless, it is interesting that highly religious Israelis have higher birth rates. I wonder how this relates to their socioeconomic status and views on “right of return.” Israel does have open borders… so long as you’re “Jewish” enough.’

    My impression at least is that most ultra-Orthodox Jews are unwilling to fight for the state of Israel or even work for it.

    On the other hand, they may be perfectly willing to leave it. In the last election, one ultra-Orthodox leader actually threatened to take his congregation and leave the country if he didn’t get his way over some issue or other.

    Israel’s got about all the invulnerability of a baby in an incubator. All we need to do is pull the plug, and it’ll start visibly collapsing within six months. This is a very addressable evil.

  71. @Colin Wright
    It's an experiment.

    First, see how many people you can pack into strip of semi-desert the size of one largish Western US county.

    Then, provoke and enrage all your neighbors and see what happens.

    Colin, nice comment. I was surprised, when we toured the Holy land, how small Israel is. I think the county I live in, Erie County, NY is about the same size, but we have no desert and plenty of farmland and fresh water.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    It is your neighbor Cleveland that is the city of miracles, where rivers catch on fire.
  72. To qualify the article which describes the positive sides more, the recently higher number of children in Israel, can create overcrowding and an annoying atmosphere in public spaces.

    This will worsen the teacher to student ratio in schools (not that this is important for the vastly growing Arabs/Bedouin and Haredim population, who have a substandard education), and dilute the country’s per capita GDP growth.

    This is combined with the fact, Israeli parents (both Jewish and Muslim) do not seem to punish their children for bad behaviour, so the children are often running wildly in public.

    Cities, seeming like a outdoor nursery on public days off there.

    At some point in the next decades it will reduce Israel’s dependency ratio, however, so it will have positive consequences for Israel’s future debt dynamics. (But an increasing share of the population will be Haredim and Arabs, as secular Jews of Israel are only slightly above replacement fertility rate).

    • Replies: @Dmitry

    (But an increasing share of the population will be Haredim and Arabs,
     
    Optimistically though, it is possible both groups themselves may have a higher rate of secularization, or at least moderation, in the next generations (which would solve many of Israel's problems).
  73. Given the socialist, nationalist and identitarian way that Israelis live, this must put the Israeli Ayn Rand cranks like Yaron Brook, Tal Tsfany and Elan Journo in a spot where they have some explaining to do.

  74. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    Israeli authorities are “cucks” – to a large extent due to final power, being in the self-appointed, ultra-liberal Supreme Court.

    Majority of Israeli voters are rednecks, but the ultimate power is with the liberal Supreme Court. In addition, the media of Israel is more liberal than can be imagined.

    Israel is very liberal in many ways, which are unimaginable in other countries. Haifa appoints a Deputy Mayor who supports Hezbollah; many politicians in the Knesset ask for Israel’s destruction, while receiving government salary. (Imagine this in Russia or America).

    Israel has even things like affirmative action in some universities for Arab students, and to hire Arabs as affirmative action is also reportedly common in some of their larger corporations.

    They have failed to deport any illegal immigrants from Sudan and Eritrea, and these have overflown parts of their cities.

    Country has surreal discussions as below:

    ‘Can illegal immigrant get legal status by committing rape?’

    Illegal immigrant living in Israel rapes Israeli woman, then demands legal status in Israel as father of child conceived in rape.

    An illegal immigrant living in Israel is demanding visitation rights to see a child he fathered after allegedly raping an Israeli woman, in a bid to win legal status permitting him to remain in the country.

    According to attorney Roni Aloni Sadovnik, who represents the victim, the suspect raped the young woman two years ago, and has since demanded he be recognized as the child’s father and given visitation rights.

    “An illegal resident raped a young Israeli woman,” Sadovnik wrote on her Facebook account earlier this week, “and by the time she realized that she was pregnant from the rape, it was too late to have an abortion, and she decided to raise the baby.”

    The young woman filed a police complaint following the sexual assault, but “like 92% of sex crime complaints, the case was closed due to lack of evidence.”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/243226

  75. @Colin Wright
    'The maps at your link that take in Egypt, Iraq, etc are pretty silly.

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David’s kingdom.'

    Was it bigger or smaller than King Arthur's kingdom?

    There are contemporary Egyptian references to King David, and the general biblical record starts to conform with historical evidence around this time.

    While a long time ago, Hammurabi lived 700 years earlier.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Is it just me or is Colin an extremely arngry and snarky dude. I wonder how old he is and if he has children.
    , @Colin Wright
    'There are contemporary Egyptian references to King David, and the general biblical record starts to conform with historical evidence around this time...'

    That's willfully dishonest tripe. All you're demonstrating is that you're either very foolish, or very unscrupulous.

    ...in service of what is the worst bit. Zionism -- and the whole notion that there should be a mini-Nazi Jewish state in Palestine -- is a degenerate offspring of Nineteenth Century European racial nationalism. It's quite indefensible, no matter what grounds you choose.

    Why? Both you and your victims would be far happier and safer if you'd just drop it.
  76. @YetAnotherAnon
    "what happens when Muslims/Africans take over France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England circa 2050"

    Our elites will decide before that time that "social cohesion" requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work. The associated ID cards, ubiquitous cameras and a version of China's social credit system will ensure the ideal - a hopelessly divided yet not-quite-dreadful semi-productive country where no one ethnic group has the power to oppose the elites.

    (Meanwhile there'll be a non-negligible Jewish exodus in the general direction of China. I'm not sure I'll live long enough to see how that one pans out)

    “Our elites will decide before that time that “social cohesion” requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work.”

    I wish I were so optimistic.

  77. @International Jew

    they seem to have become a lot more right wing in recent decades?
     
    You might say that. Parties that still support the idea of creating a Palestinian state are, all of them together, polling at about 10% of the Jewish vote.

    Israeli Jews now vote like whites in Mississippi.

    It's Bayesian inference, as Steve says.

    Israeli Jewish voters are majority thinking like rednecks, which results in the central-right government.

    But Israel does not have parliamentary sovereignty. The final power in passing its laws is decided by the Supreme Court (which itself does not have a constitution).

    Supreme Court is equivalent of the Senate and part of the Executive in the USA (if you also imagine USA without a President -Executive).

    All legislation can only pass, if Supreme Court agrees with it.

    Unlike in the USA, the Supreme Court is appointed by itself, as a members club. Their self-consciousness is as “Judicial Activists”. This has created a vastly liberal orientation in the court.

    So in Israeli politics it can be observed, often a conflict between “right-wing” rhetoric, and actually highly liberal (to perhaps suicidal in some ways) actions and legislation.

    “Right-wing rhetoric” is to try to appease voters, but very little converts to legislation.

    For example, in illegal immigration, no Sudanese or Eritrean has been deported (the result is much more liberal than the EU which has deported both these nationalities in recent years).

    At the same time, there has been many years of rhetoric about deportation. The illegal immigrants from those African countries also access all free education, free medical care, and employment rights, so there is almost no incentive for them to want to leave. (On the other hand Ukrainian and Georgian illegal immigrants, are instantly deported from Israel if they are discovered, and of course have no access to education or healthcare, and have no right to work).

    So there is recently a debate about possibility of introducing delimitation clause, which would allow parliament to override Supreme Court, if it obtains special majority.

    If that would ever occur, then there would be a shift to “centre-right politics” in Israeli legislation, as the elected government will then be able to gain some parliamentary sovereignty.

    Until this occurs, however, it will be observed that Israel will continue its current pattern – right-wing rhetoric, with ultra liberal actions and legislation.

  78. How did this get published? Granted, it would have been more courageous to say Liberal Jewish Hollywood.

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-hollywood-values-updates-how-hollywood-s-muslim-portrayals-1483650479-htmlstory.html

  79. @Dmitry
    To qualify the article which describes the positive sides more, the recently higher number of children in Israel, can create overcrowding and an annoying atmosphere in public spaces.

    This will worsen the teacher to student ratio in schools (not that this is important for the vastly growing Arabs/Bedouin and Haredim population, who have a substandard education), and dilute the country's per capita GDP growth.

    This is combined with the fact, Israeli parents (both Jewish and Muslim) do not seem to punish their children for bad behaviour, so the children are often running wildly in public.

    Cities, seeming like a outdoor nursery on public days off there.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRfQL-7tcM


    At some point in the next decades it will reduce Israel's dependency ratio, however, so it will have positive consequences for Israel's future debt dynamics. (But an increasing share of the population will be Haredim and Arabs, as secular Jews of Israel are only slightly above replacement fertility rate).

    (But an increasing share of the population will be Haredim and Arabs,

    Optimistically though, it is possible both groups themselves may have a higher rate of secularization, or at least moderation, in the next generations (which would solve many of Israel’s problems).

  80. Meaning, Israelis do have plenty of space for many more people, and Israelis believe they have plenty of space for many more people, and Israelis won’t open their borders or take in refugees because they’re racist, and Israelis are lying when they say they aren’t.

  81. @Bardon Kaldian
    First part is OK, with one significant addendum- permanent existential crisis & the sense of ethnic demographic warfare. Religion is not enough. It's a question of survival where any other option is obliteration.

    The second part is mostly usual anti-Jewish nonsense. China's fertility rates are abysmal, also Japanese & all eastern European, including Greeks. Even growing economies with able populations are hedonistic & if there is not a national disaster & imminent, visible ethnicity/race as the existential threat, their fertility rates will be under replacement levels (as are for US Jews).
    Modern nations have, all over the world, lost their religions & that's the issue.

    Simply, the story that Jewish constant blabbering about Auschwitz & Hitler has something significant to do with birth rates is nothing but a childish nonsense.

    What is the solution is actually more something like sci fi nightmare- we don't need many people as any time before, no more than 1-2 children per woman, and more breeding races & religions need to be isolated to diminish in size naturally because of mass hungers, epidemics, lack of medicine, hygiene etc. Culling the herd....

    First part is OK, with one significant addendum- permanent existential crisis & the sense of ethnic demographic warfare. Religion is not enough. It’s a question of survival where any other option is obliteration.

    Obliteration via soft genocide of panmixia, which Jews have been pushing on )))us((( with great vigor for the better part of a century, at least.

  82. I guess this means we are going to be stuck fighting Israel’s enemies forever.

  83. @Colin Wright
    '...The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany……

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.'

    Actually, the ultimate revenge is something else, and it's already starting to happen.

    Israeli Jews are emigrating to Germany themselves.

    Because moving to Germany worked out so well for Jews in the past.

  84. @South Texas Guy
    The fact that this isn't more publicized ... well, you know and I know why. The only question is in 20-30 years is it Brazil or Boznia?

    man, in brazil we’ve still have white-majority states. but they are pushing it to become more “diverse” as well.

    yes, it’s mostly joos. even here where they supposed are only about 100k people. (I think they’re much more than that).

    obviously they have plenty of influence from a distance, through media and corporations

  85. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister.

    Varadkar has been a pretty good Taoiseach for Ireland. Unlike most of his predecessors he has no problems standing up to the Brits. I wish Obama had been as loyal to the United States as Varadkar is to Ireland.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Taioseach - pronounced as 'Tea Shock'.

    Rather appropriate as the Irish are the only nation having a higher per capita tea consumption than the English.
  86. @Almost Missouri
    This comment is about the misunderstood arithmetic of Total Fertility Rates.

    From the text:

    [From] 7.5 [to] 6.7 [=] a drop of 10 percent.

    [From] 4.0 [to] 4.2 [=] a rise of perhaps 5 percent.

    from about 2.6 ... to 3.0 [=] an increase of about 15 percent.

    from about 2.1 ... to about 2.6 [=] almost 20 percent

    from about 1.8... to about 2.1 [=] rose by almost 15 percent
     
    Leaving aside all the estimates and assumptions that are built into TFRs and leaving aside the fact that TFR totally ignores the effect of faster or slower generations, people, even intelligent people, commonly misunderstand the arithmetic of TFR.

    The above-quoted percent changes appear mathematically correct, indeed they are mathematically correct ... in a reality that revolves around zero as the fulcrum point. But in TFR reality, zero is not the fulcrum point, two is (or about 2.1, depending on certain details.) To use zero-fulcrum arithmetic in a two-fulcrum world is to be misled.

    A normal, zero-fulcrum reader of this text will think, "Ah, the first population's growth rate will slow by 10%, the second's rate will increase by 5%, the third by 15%, etc."

    No. Wrong wrong wrong.

    As the fulcrum point in TFR is two-ish, the first population's growth rate has dropped not by 10%, but by (from 5.5 to 4.7 additional people per procreating pair) about 14%.

    The second population's growth rate has increased not by 5% but by (from 2.0 to 2.2 additional people per procreating pair) about 10%, about double the change the misled reader thinks they're getting.

    Note that these errors become more dramatic the closer you get to the fulcrum point (two). The last quoted example (from 1.8 to 2.1) is not a 15% change in reality. Since the 0.3 TFR difference straddles the fulcrum, the real world change is infinity(!) percent, which sounds absurd, but when you consider that at 1.8 the population was headed for extinction, while at 2.1 they are headed for rebirth, suddenly that ∞% change appears as a ratification of the reality on the ground rather than as a muddling of it as happens when bored journalists abstractly run habitual math on bloodless bits.

    Note further that this is even more relevant for discussions of European and American TFR where subgroups with apparently only slightly different TFR near the fulcrum point are competing for the same land.

    Native Group A has TFR 1.8 while immigrant Group B has TFR 2.3?

    The conventional reader sees this and subconsciously thinks, well it's only "half a child" difference so it doesn't matter too much.

    No. Group A is diminishing 10% per generation while Group B is growing 15% per generation. The difference isn't "half a child" or even 25 percentage points. The difference is the future or lack of it. The difference is literally infinite.

    Ever heard of compound interest? This is the same thing, but with life. Also, chances are that Group A has long (30+ year) generations, while Group B has short (20-ish year) generations, so this is really compound interest on steroids around a baseline of two rather than zero.

    A beauty of meaningful reasoning, but lost to our crowd. This is by design.

    The unz.com site seeks to weight opinion by the standard tools. Somewhere to be of use, somehow, to be sold as statistical data to poll and politics designers, a platform to lift some hapstancer to fame for a day. Short attention spans, repeated errors, circular reasoning, pliers statistics (Karlin is the champ), it is ever present and meant to be. Not Hollywood, not RT, certainly not Russia Insider, or Amy Goodman, but as close as the niche allows.

    You better hush off to some deeper cave, because here you are in the middle of a circus, a turning “caroussel”, and it is designed to be just that.

    A regular commenter, Peter Auss, points to the situation as a bar, a pub, and that is close. A stylish Wien-isch coffeehouse, with succulent pastries, discreet music, not Starbucks, but still, parvenu. We are what we are, and that is still a fraction above anything else called “The American People”.

  87. @Lot
    There are contemporary Egyptian references to King David, and the general biblical record starts to conform with historical evidence around this time.

    While a long time ago, Hammurabi lived 700 years earlier.

    Is it just me or is Colin an extremely arngry and snarky dude. I wonder how old he is and if he has children.

  88. @Lot
    There are contemporary Egyptian references to King David, and the general biblical record starts to conform with historical evidence around this time.

    While a long time ago, Hammurabi lived 700 years earlier.

    ‘There are contemporary Egyptian references to King David, and the general biblical record starts to conform with historical evidence around this time…’

    That’s willfully dishonest tripe. All you’re demonstrating is that you’re either very foolish, or very unscrupulous.

    …in service of what is the worst bit. Zionism — and the whole notion that there should be a mini-Nazi Jewish state in Palestine — is a degenerate offspring of Nineteenth Century European racial nationalism. It’s quite indefensible, no matter what grounds you choose.

    Why? Both you and your victims would be far happier and safer if you’d just drop it.

  89. Further to all of this, why are the Iranian ethnic majority fast dwindling into minority status in Iran?

    Basically, Iran TFR is 1.6 and it is heavily weighted towards the minority ethnic groups that currently account for about 40% of the population.

    https://www.quora.com/Which-ethnicities-in-Iran-have-high-birth-rate

    • Replies: @Oddsbodkins
    Similar story in Turkey. One reason the Turks are so hard on the Kurds is that they know the Kurds are rapidly outbreeding them.
    , @istevefan
    That would be a good discussion. I was under the belief that the more religious one is the more children one would have. Iran seems to contradict this. Maybe the Iranian people are not as religious as we perceive them. I have never been there, don't speak their language, nor personally know anyone from Iran. So I just assumed they were highly religious because of their regime. Does anyone have first hand knowledge?
  90. @HA
    "So it’s a science fiction movie, right?"

    We could ask Madame Curie for her opinion. Or Marian Rejewski, who did the lion's share of cracking the Enigma codes but never got the plaudits or the fame. These individuals and countless like them might also offer an analysis as to what happens to a country's people over several centuries when you grant an inimical minority (some of who to this day, evidently, lose no opportunity to cast the rest as stupid and lazy and vile) the right to squeeze the vast majority of the already poor and brutalized populace in such a way as it becomes paradise for said minority and hell for the vast majority of the remainder?

    Oh, I know the standard line. That was hundreds of years, ago; it doesn't count. And maybe that's is exactly the right answer. But as Gregory Clark indicated, the money amassed by a certain group of people tends to linger. And linger.

    For the record, there should be no dispute or attempt to minimize the six million that died, and all the horrific evil their deaths entailed, but it mustn't be the last word, or we truly will have forgotten the lessons of history. Indeed, to paraphrase Anthony Jeselnik, given the way that the system was set up in the aforementiond paradise/hell for those centuries, we seriously need to spend more time pondering the mystery of how it was that that happened only once.

    Some people can’t take a joke.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Jokes are supposed to be funny.
    , @HA
    "Some people can’t take a joke."

    Some people can't seem to let go of their fixations about "local drunken peasantry” they presume to be betters of, and then dismiss anyone who calls them out as not being able to take a joke.

    In case that tactic fails, which it often does, there's always the "Your anti-Semitism has blinded you to humanity" card, ready to be pulled at a moment's notice. Oh, that's a riot, that one is, let me tell you.

    Ask yourself which topics and which people in the world one is and isn't able to joke about and ridicule -- make a careful list of that -- and then get back to me.

  91. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    https://goo.gl/images/TDQ9JJ

    So many Jews in these, the lowest fertility countries…

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Persian Iranian TFR is lower than white American. It must be the Zionist Occupied Government in Tehran's fault.
    , @Jack D
    You're just trying to distract us with facts. Everyone in these countries is influenced by the Zionist media even if there is not a single Jew in the country - in every Hollywood movie there are subliminal frames that say "Don't have babies". In order to transcend the language barrier, they use international symbols. These flash by too quickly to be seen by the naked eye but a source in the ZOG leaked the image that is used to me. I am sharing this with you all on a confidential basis because I know that iSteve readers are all good people and not anti-Semitic.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-22vEPjq6svo/UmIxEO-YySI/AAAAAAAACRA/gqUGJv9EWKo/s320/916646-los-ninos-prohibidos-signo.jpg


    In Israel and Africa the ZOG omits these frames from the movies but everywhere else they put them in. In Kung Fu movies and Mel Gibson movies, twice as many.

  92. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Israel is a small young country whose survival is not yet fully assured. They are making babies and working hard.
    America is a victim of its own success. We are rich, powerful, and spoiled. Our needs well met, people can afford to spend tens of thousands majoring in art history. Of course we’re not making babies, because raising kids is hard work.

  93. @Tyrion 2
    https://goo.gl/images/TDQ9JJ

    So many Jews in these, the lowest fertility countries...

    Persian Iranian TFR is lower than white American. It must be the Zionist Occupied Government in Tehran’s fault.

  94. @Tyrion 2
    Further to all of this, why are the Iranian ethnic majority fast dwindling into minority status in Iran?

    Basically, Iran TFR is 1.6 and it is heavily weighted towards the minority ethnic groups that currently account for about 40% of the population.

    https://www.quora.com/Which-ethnicities-in-Iran-have-high-birth-rate

    Similar story in Turkey. One reason the Turks are so hard on the Kurds is that they know the Kurds are rapidly outbreeding them.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  95. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    rather than – The construction you seek is rather than. You don’t always have to collocate the words (e.g., “I had rather see than be one.”) but you cannot use than alone to express the meaning instead of.

    etc. is an abbreviation of the Latin et cetera (“and the rest”); et is Latin for and (hence et al. (et alii ; “and others”). Don’t write “and etc.” It makes one appear stupid, like the editors of The Guardian who write “PIN number” or like fools who say “ATM machine” – though the latter might be a valid sobriquet for certain starlets in blue movies.

    Subjects and predicates should also agree in number; singular subjects take singular predicates, and plural subjects take plural predicates.

    Diagram or simplify your sentences and you will more easily see the errors:

    “They are…member…..” ← No. Either write “She is a member.” or “They are members.”

    “A nation that tells each person that they he are is a precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history rather than an expendable economic unit….”

    “[T]hey should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades rather than losers….”

    “A national elite that is autonomous rather than…in service….”

    Typographical errors are to be expected in this medium (I make mountains of them myself), but your writing, and the writing of a few others who consistently misuse the same constructions (and whom I suspect are not native writers of English) is substantively worthwhile enough, and the errors consistent enough (like intelligent Orientals who constantly misuse definite articles) that I presume you may have interest in improving your English writing.

    שָׁלוֹם

    • Replies: @BB753
    How does it feel to be a Jewish grammar Nazi, lol?
  96. @Jack D
    Some people can't take a joke.

    Jokes are supposed to be funny.

  97. @Tyrion 2
    Further to all of this, why are the Iranian ethnic majority fast dwindling into minority status in Iran?

    Basically, Iran TFR is 1.6 and it is heavily weighted towards the minority ethnic groups that currently account for about 40% of the population.

    https://www.quora.com/Which-ethnicities-in-Iran-have-high-birth-rate

    That would be a good discussion. I was under the belief that the more religious one is the more children one would have. Iran seems to contradict this. Maybe the Iranian people are not as religious as we perceive them. I have never been there, don’t speak their language, nor personally know anyone from Iran. So I just assumed they were highly religious because of their regime. Does anyone have first hand knowledge?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I will be able to have a long chat with someone in a couple of months. They won't have travelled a lot outside Tehran, I suspect, but it'll be interesting.
    , @stillCARealist
    I've known plenty of Persians. They were well-off and quite secular. They would claim the mantle of Muslim, but they practiced almost nothing and believed even less. Reminded me of Jews.
    , @Nachum
    There are claims that should the regime fall, a large percentage of Iranians would come out as Bahai or Zoroastrian. Granted those are religions as well, but those switching would be doing so more for cultural reasons.
  98. @Jack D
    Some people can't take a joke.

    “Some people can’t take a joke.”

    Some people can’t seem to let go of their fixations about “local drunken peasantry” they presume to be betters of, and then dismiss anyone who calls them out as not being able to take a joke.

    In case that tactic fails, which it often does, there’s always the “Your anti-Semitism has blinded you to humanity” card, ready to be pulled at a moment’s notice. Oh, that’s a riot, that one is, let me tell you.

    Ask yourself which topics and which people in the world one is and isn’t able to joke about and ridicule — make a careful list of that — and then get back to me.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Yeah, what are you complaining about?

    Some people just can't take an insult.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    I instantly noticed IQ 150 (not for Poles, but, I'd say, for any group of people). Well, if this is not a joke ....
    , @Jack D
    Some people REALLY can't take a joke.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    "Mr. Schoenberg, you have 2 choices:

    A) You spend the rest of your life with your wife, or-"

    "B!"

  99. @Almost Missouri
    This comment is about the misunderstood arithmetic of Total Fertility Rates.

    From the text:

    [From] 7.5 [to] 6.7 [=] a drop of 10 percent.

    [From] 4.0 [to] 4.2 [=] a rise of perhaps 5 percent.

    from about 2.6 ... to 3.0 [=] an increase of about 15 percent.

    from about 2.1 ... to about 2.6 [=] almost 20 percent

    from about 1.8... to about 2.1 [=] rose by almost 15 percent
     
    Leaving aside all the estimates and assumptions that are built into TFRs and leaving aside the fact that TFR totally ignores the effect of faster or slower generations, people, even intelligent people, commonly misunderstand the arithmetic of TFR.

    The above-quoted percent changes appear mathematically correct, indeed they are mathematically correct ... in a reality that revolves around zero as the fulcrum point. But in TFR reality, zero is not the fulcrum point, two is (or about 2.1, depending on certain details.) To use zero-fulcrum arithmetic in a two-fulcrum world is to be misled.

    A normal, zero-fulcrum reader of this text will think, "Ah, the first population's growth rate will slow by 10%, the second's rate will increase by 5%, the third by 15%, etc."

    No. Wrong wrong wrong.

    As the fulcrum point in TFR is two-ish, the first population's growth rate has dropped not by 10%, but by (from 5.5 to 4.7 additional people per procreating pair) about 14%.

    The second population's growth rate has increased not by 5% but by (from 2.0 to 2.2 additional people per procreating pair) about 10%, about double the change the misled reader thinks they're getting.

    Note that these errors become more dramatic the closer you get to the fulcrum point (two). The last quoted example (from 1.8 to 2.1) is not a 15% change in reality. Since the 0.3 TFR difference straddles the fulcrum, the real world change is infinity(!) percent, which sounds absurd, but when you consider that at 1.8 the population was headed for extinction, while at 2.1 they are headed for rebirth, suddenly that ∞% change appears as a ratification of the reality on the ground rather than as a muddling of it as happens when bored journalists abstractly run habitual math on bloodless bits.

    Note further that this is even more relevant for discussions of European and American TFR where subgroups with apparently only slightly different TFR near the fulcrum point are competing for the same land.

    Native Group A has TFR 1.8 while immigrant Group B has TFR 2.3?

    The conventional reader sees this and subconsciously thinks, well it's only "half a child" difference so it doesn't matter too much.

    No. Group A is diminishing 10% per generation while Group B is growing 15% per generation. The difference isn't "half a child" or even 25 percentage points. The difference is the future or lack of it. The difference is literally infinite.

    Ever heard of compound interest? This is the same thing, but with life. Also, chances are that Group A has long (30+ year) generations, while Group B has short (20-ish year) generations, so this is really compound interest on steroids around a baseline of two rather than zero.

    No. Group A is diminishing 10% per generation while Group B is growing 15% per generation. The difference isn’t “half a child” or even 25 percentage points. The difference is the future or lack of it. The difference is literally infinite.

    Interesting analysis. But your conclusion only matters if Group A has competition in its territory. If Group A is safely alone in its territory it will face a population decrease, but that might not be a bad thing. This is why the USA and the European world are staring at the abyss, while Japan and South Korea are not. Our birth rates would not necessarily be a problem in and of themselves. They are a problem because our leaders have opened our borders to all comers.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    What proportion of elderly people to workers will necessitate the opening of South Korea's borders (even more)?

    Can 1 worker pay for and care for 4 elderly? Or 6?

    Or will the older patriotic generation make their last sacrifice through early death and hand the following "most selfish generations" their final reprieve.

    At some further point, most old people will be childish and selfish. Of course they'll bring in a helot class then.

    , @m___

    This is why the USA and the European world are staring at the abyss, while Japan and South Korea are not. Our birth rates would not necessarily be a problem in and of themselves. They are a problem because our leaders have opened our borders to all comers.
     
    Regardless of the math problem being pasted over. There is a clear point to be made by you.

    People and their policies come and go. It is mostly one step forward, two steps backwards. Whether Europe will make a U-turn, we cannot anticipate. But interestingly, rarely mentioned in these fora, the concept of first deciding what the future should be built on, then vie for it, rather then lapping up problems defecating problems, all in one day, is received loud and clear.

    Then yes, reduced populations per territory, should not be considered at all, a liability. Secondly the proportionality globally of population groups, and their distribution over livable landmasses, and later hopefully extra-Terra colonies should be considered, tweaked and tuned. Through migration policies, mentality changes, higher quality population genetics tuning, precise and vast data applications. It cannot be that an argument for higher birthrates for Whites is based on counter-arresting the push of "other" populations.

    To get back to Israel as of today, it is the single most pertinent sociological, political, ethnical, military confined as can be, lab study of our days. To go narrow, address one's own plate of mush, in some cases, in this case, is not the way a global comprehension of what the world should be, should grow. In matters of migrations and populations, the US is not the mathematical zero.

    Populations, their collective behaviour, their planetary spread, are the single most important factor as to solving the long term future. Long being plus ten generations, should be within the reach of the one percent of individuals with means and some kind of passable intellect. Trying anything else but what failed, the times are ripe for "conceptual", ex-nihilo, Darwinesque approaches.
    , @Tyrion 2
    I mean, what does a society look like that has half of women with two children and the other half with none? What must the people be like for that to be the last case? And it is only getting worse. Who knows? Next financial shock to take it down to TFR of 0.5.

    Indeed, China hasn't had a shock in decades and they are 1.6. After one, they always come eventually, will their TFR collapse to something similar?

    Israel is the only country of developed peoples that is bucking the trend of ever shrinking TFR. I'm tempted therefore to say that a modern productive economy is the preordinate reason for falling TFR and that's pretty much that.

    The ethnic minorities in Europe are slightly sifferent. If you look at the jobs Bangladeshis do in the UK they do not really operate in the modern economy in the same way.

    People on the right are loathe to see this as they think it means we need jettison the modern economy - something that just is not going to happen. Instead we need to think of ways to compensate for it.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Right. That's why I said "where subgroups ... are competing for the same land. "
  100. @YetAnotherAnon
    "what happens when Muslims/Africans take over France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England circa 2050"

    Our elites will decide before that time that "social cohesion" requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work. The associated ID cards, ubiquitous cameras and a version of China's social credit system will ensure the ideal - a hopelessly divided yet not-quite-dreadful semi-productive country where no one ethnic group has the power to oppose the elites.

    (Meanwhile there'll be a non-negligible Jewish exodus in the general direction of China. I'm not sure I'll live long enough to see how that one pans out)

    Our elites will decide before that time that “social cohesion” requires fewer immigrants, and all of a sudden border controls will miraculously start to work.

    Can’t say I share your optimism there.

    If Western countries had an elite that didn’t so despise their own people, they should study what key elements are giving Israeli’s a fertility boost. Particularly how Israel was able to raise the secular TFR to the replacement level. We need to replicate and tailor this approach to Western countries.

  101. @Jack D

    Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150.
     
    So it's a science fiction movie, right?

    Jack, Jack, you always complain about antisemitism so “Why do you look at the
    speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    So far I see no evidence he knows what a Semite is. If you don't know what something is, how can you define who is anti-it and why?
  102. @HA
    "Some people can’t take a joke."

    Some people can't seem to let go of their fixations about "local drunken peasantry” they presume to be betters of, and then dismiss anyone who calls them out as not being able to take a joke.

    In case that tactic fails, which it often does, there's always the "Your anti-Semitism has blinded you to humanity" card, ready to be pulled at a moment's notice. Oh, that's a riot, that one is, let me tell you.

    Ask yourself which topics and which people in the world one is and isn't able to joke about and ridicule -- make a careful list of that -- and then get back to me.

    Yeah, what are you complaining about?

    Some people just can’t take an insult.

  103. Does this mean we will have to increase our tribute foreign aid to Israel?

  104. @istevefan
    That would be a good discussion. I was under the belief that the more religious one is the more children one would have. Iran seems to contradict this. Maybe the Iranian people are not as religious as we perceive them. I have never been there, don't speak their language, nor personally know anyone from Iran. So I just assumed they were highly religious because of their regime. Does anyone have first hand knowledge?

    I will be able to have a long chat with someone in a couple of months. They won’t have travelled a lot outside Tehran, I suspect, but it’ll be interesting.

  105. @istevefan

    No. Group A is diminishing 10% per generation while Group B is growing 15% per generation. The difference isn’t “half a child” or even 25 percentage points. The difference is the future or lack of it. The difference is literally infinite.
     
    Interesting analysis. But your conclusion only matters if Group A has competition in its territory. If Group A is safely alone in its territory it will face a population decrease, but that might not be a bad thing. This is why the USA and the European world are staring at the abyss, while Japan and South Korea are not. Our birth rates would not necessarily be a problem in and of themselves. They are a problem because our leaders have opened our borders to all comers.

    What proportion of elderly people to workers will necessitate the opening of South Korea’s borders (even more)?

    Can 1 worker pay for and care for 4 elderly? Or 6?

    Or will the older patriotic generation make their last sacrifice through early death and hand the following “most selfish generations” their final reprieve.

    At some further point, most old people will be childish and selfish. Of course they’ll bring in a helot class then.

  106. @istevefan

    No. Group A is diminishing 10% per generation while Group B is growing 15% per generation. The difference isn’t “half a child” or even 25 percentage points. The difference is the future or lack of it. The difference is literally infinite.
     
    Interesting analysis. But your conclusion only matters if Group A has competition in its territory. If Group A is safely alone in its territory it will face a population decrease, but that might not be a bad thing. This is why the USA and the European world are staring at the abyss, while Japan and South Korea are not. Our birth rates would not necessarily be a problem in and of themselves. They are a problem because our leaders have opened our borders to all comers.

    This is why the USA and the European world are staring at the abyss, while Japan and South Korea are not. Our birth rates would not necessarily be a problem in and of themselves. They are a problem because our leaders have opened our borders to all comers.

    Regardless of the math problem being pasted over. There is a clear point to be made by you.

    People and their policies come and go. It is mostly one step forward, two steps backwards. Whether Europe will make a U-turn, we cannot anticipate. But interestingly, rarely mentioned in these fora, the concept of first deciding what the future should be built on, then vie for it, rather then lapping up problems defecating problems, all in one day, is received loud and clear.

    Then yes, reduced populations per territory, should not be considered at all, a liability. Secondly the proportionality globally of population groups, and their distribution over livable landmasses, and later hopefully extra-Terra colonies should be considered, tweaked and tuned. Through migration policies, mentality changes, higher quality population genetics tuning, precise and vast data applications. It cannot be that an argument for higher birthrates for Whites is based on counter-arresting the push of “other” populations.

    To get back to Israel as of today, it is the single most pertinent sociological, political, ethnical, military confined as can be, lab study of our days. To go narrow, address one’s own plate of mush, in some cases, in this case, is not the way a global comprehension of what the world should be, should grow. In matters of migrations and populations, the US is not the mathematical zero.

    Populations, their collective behaviour, their planetary spread, are the single most important factor as to solving the long term future. Long being plus ten generations, should be within the reach of the one percent of individuals with means and some kind of passable intellect. Trying anything else but what failed, the times are ripe for “conceptual”, ex-nihilo, Darwinesque approaches.

  107. @istevefan

    No. Group A is diminishing 10% per generation while Group B is growing 15% per generation. The difference isn’t “half a child” or even 25 percentage points. The difference is the future or lack of it. The difference is literally infinite.
     
    Interesting analysis. But your conclusion only matters if Group A has competition in its territory. If Group A is safely alone in its territory it will face a population decrease, but that might not be a bad thing. This is why the USA and the European world are staring at the abyss, while Japan and South Korea are not. Our birth rates would not necessarily be a problem in and of themselves. They are a problem because our leaders have opened our borders to all comers.

    I mean, what does a society look like that has half of women with two children and the other half with none? What must the people be like for that to be the last case? And it is only getting worse. Who knows? Next financial shock to take it down to TFR of 0.5.

    Indeed, China hasn’t had a shock in decades and they are 1.6. After one, they always come eventually, will their TFR collapse to something similar?

    Israel is the only country of developed peoples that is bucking the trend of ever shrinking TFR. I’m tempted therefore to say that a modern productive economy is the preordinate reason for falling TFR and that’s pretty much that.

    The ethnic minorities in Europe are slightly sifferent. If you look at the jobs Bangladeshis do in the UK they do not really operate in the modern economy in the same way.

    People on the right are loathe to see this as they think it means we need jettison the modern economy – something that just is not going to happen. Instead we need to think of ways to compensate for it.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I'm of the belief now that Israel is the outlier for one reason. While the modern economy and the accompanying economic incentives that boost feminism are emasculating to men and make women fat, it is very hard to see how making men and women substantially less attractive could fail to result in fewer romantic attachments and their final form - K selected child-rearing.

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.
  108. @HA
    "Some people can’t take a joke."

    Some people can't seem to let go of their fixations about "local drunken peasantry” they presume to be betters of, and then dismiss anyone who calls them out as not being able to take a joke.

    In case that tactic fails, which it often does, there's always the "Your anti-Semitism has blinded you to humanity" card, ready to be pulled at a moment's notice. Oh, that's a riot, that one is, let me tell you.

    Ask yourself which topics and which people in the world one is and isn't able to joke about and ridicule -- make a careful list of that -- and then get back to me.

    I instantly noticed IQ 150 (not for Poles, but, I’d say, for any group of people). Well, if this is not a joke ….

  109. @HA
    "Some people can’t take a joke."

    Some people can't seem to let go of their fixations about "local drunken peasantry” they presume to be betters of, and then dismiss anyone who calls them out as not being able to take a joke.

    In case that tactic fails, which it often does, there's always the "Your anti-Semitism has blinded you to humanity" card, ready to be pulled at a moment's notice. Oh, that's a riot, that one is, let me tell you.

    Ask yourself which topics and which people in the world one is and isn't able to joke about and ridicule -- make a careful list of that -- and then get back to me.

    Some people REALLY can’t take a joke.

    • Replies: @HA
    "Some people REALLY can’t take a joke."

    To be honest, as jokes go, I've heard better. But coming from you, at least it sounded sincere. If you want real comedy, maybe it's safer to stick to the classics, so I've dug up one for you. Note how the views endorsed in the ditty below seem to remind me of some similar comments I've read in these threads of late, but I'm struggling to remember who might have written them. Maybe you can help me with that?


    According to a famous Yiddish ditty the Gentile is, to his very core, an alcoholic. By contrast, in the tune’s alternating refrain we “learn” that the Jew is, by definition, genetically sober, studious, and pious:

    Shiker iz der Goy (the Goy is drunk)

    Shikker iz er (a drunk is he)

    Trinken miz er (he must drink)

    Vayl er iz a goy (because he’s a Goy)

    Nikhter iz der Yid (the Jew is sober)

    Nikhter iz er (sober is he)

    Lernen (in some versions, Davenen) miz er (he must learn, or pray)

    Vayl er iz a Yid (because he is a Jew)

    “Shikker iz der Goy” is one of the most popular and least charitable Jewish folk songs of all time...
     

    That's a real howler, right? And catchy, too: "The Goy is drunk, a drunk is he, he must drink, because he’s a Goy" It just rolls off the tongue. It's like something right out of the movie Borat except that we both know that if Sacha Baron Cohen had included it in his film, he would have changed the point of view around about, say, 180 degrees. But all in the interest of comedy, of course.

    The book that is the subject of the above review purportedly does a good job of dismantling both the myth that Jews are not susceptible to drunkenness (evidently, they are indeed susceptible), and the counter-prevailing antisemitic myth that Jews use their alleged superpowers of temperance to drown the gentiles in a lake of Jewish-owned liquor. (Recall that "The Jews [of Russia] were engaged principally in petty trading, as middlemen, or holding various rights leased to them by the landowners, such as milling, fish ponds, and orchards; most of them however, earned their livelihood by the sale of liquor.)

    Now, there is of course a third possibility: that many Jews throughout history have been BOTH prone to alcoholism AND ALSO eager to ply gentiles with alcohol to their detriment, a practice that could then be rationalized by repeatedly emphasizing to themselves and everyone else that the goyim are worthless and lazy and prone to drink anyway (again, does anyone else you know of who posts here have a tendency to offer similar observations repeatedly?) so why not let them at least indulge themselves in such a way to put a few kopeks in a Jew's pocket? Or something like that.

    That mindset is not quite up there with the more sophisticated game that the Sackler brothers have played with oxy in recent years, but in reading the above, I get the sense that the latter were clearly building on a longstanding tradition.

    Anyway, the book apparently doesn't explore that third possibility much -- I wonder why that is?

  110. @Tyrion 2
    I mean, what does a society look like that has half of women with two children and the other half with none? What must the people be like for that to be the last case? And it is only getting worse. Who knows? Next financial shock to take it down to TFR of 0.5.

    Indeed, China hasn't had a shock in decades and they are 1.6. After one, they always come eventually, will their TFR collapse to something similar?

    Israel is the only country of developed peoples that is bucking the trend of ever shrinking TFR. I'm tempted therefore to say that a modern productive economy is the preordinate reason for falling TFR and that's pretty much that.

    The ethnic minorities in Europe are slightly sifferent. If you look at the jobs Bangladeshis do in the UK they do not really operate in the modern economy in the same way.

    People on the right are loathe to see this as they think it means we need jettison the modern economy - something that just is not going to happen. Instead we need to think of ways to compensate for it.

    I’m of the belief now that Israel is the outlier for one reason. While the modern economy and the accompanying economic incentives that boost feminism are emasculating to men and make women fat, it is very hard to see how making men and women substantially less attractive could fail to result in fewer romantic attachments and their final form – K selected child-rearing.

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.
     
    Having all men serve time in the IDF leads to ethnic solidarity and a belief in a shared nation destiny. This helps make for a higher birthrate. Then the Israelis double down on this by making women serve too. I realize many of the ultra religious men and women are never in the military. Plus many non-Jews are such as Druze, Bedouin, Circassians do serve. They volunteer plus get more respect which leads to better jobs and careers later on.

    Circassian men serve in the Israeli army, they are one of three minority groups in Israel drafted into the Israel Defense Forces.
     

    Israel is one of only a few countries in the world with a mandatory military service requirement for women.[1][2][3]
     
    via wikipedia.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service...'

    I don't think shooting children and pretty girls who give you dirty looks constitutes 'real military service.'
    , @IHTG
    Israel's military service isn't really all that. Its real value may lie in what it isn't - an American-style college dorm, with all that entails.
    , @Anonymous
    You suggest that military training from ages 18-21 makes Israeli Jews on the whole slimmer and more attractive. It would surprise me if 18-21-year old Israelis weren't fitter on average than those in other developed nations, but can you point to any numbers to suggest that these benefits last beyond the years of initial service? I can't find age and ethnicity specific numbers for obesity in Israel, but according to the OECD, Israel's obesity rate is higher than many countries with lower fertility,no national service, or some combination of both, like the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Italy, South Korea and Japan. The overall Israeli rates are dragged up by the much higher Arab obesity rates(which do seem to be well-documented and may lend credence to your conscription hypothesis), but the OECD numbers are also for over-15's as a whole, so Israel's relative youth compared to the aforementioned countries probably artificially deflates their obesity rate. All else being equal, older people tend to be fatter.

    It would be interesting to know if anyone has studied obesity rates among the Arab(ish) Druze, whose men are required to serve, but whose women aren't. Are Druze under-30's more like Jews or other Arabs? Is there a big gender gap?

    Also, couldn't mandatory military service for women actually drag down fertility, especially among those who aspire to university and graduate degrees? It delays entry into tertiary education for a couple of years, which might lower the overall number of children born.

    Douglas Murray has pointed out that according to some studies, if European women actually had the number of children they say they want to have, most European countries would be at replacement fertility(I think Germany and Austria were the only exceptions). I wonder if anyone has ever done a similar study of Israeli women.
  111. @Hail

    Israel’s Demographic Miracle

    OFIR HAIVRY
     

    Meanwhile, in Mark Potok's office:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzBmQMlWwAEDmiD.jpg


    Someone saw this [above] on the desk of Mark Potok [who] runs the SPLC now. He's some Jewish guy. (Surprise!) He doesn't have pictures of his family on the wall. People saw in the background that he has this chart of the demographic decline of Whites starting from 1920 where it was 90% White and it keeps on going down.

    It's like he's tracking this. His last update was 2015 where we're down to 62% White.

    Hey, this is bizarre. That'd be something I expect on Himmler's desk, like tracking the reduction of Jews on the Eastern Front. But no: This is from the Southern Poverty Law Center.
     


    You could say it's a pathological hatred towards Whites.

    Right there in your office, right there in front of you every day, you come to work you get motivated by seeing the decline of a certain race? I mean, you're a sick [censored].
     

    Hail, so soon enough whites will be a minority in the USA and then the SPLC will advocate for us. That’s the way it works…Right?

  112. @Tyrion 2
    https://goo.gl/images/TDQ9JJ

    So many Jews in these, the lowest fertility countries...

    You’re just trying to distract us with facts. Everyone in these countries is influenced by the Zionist media even if there is not a single Jew in the country – in every Hollywood movie there are subliminal frames that say “Don’t have babies”. In order to transcend the language barrier, they use international symbols. These flash by too quickly to be seen by the naked eye but a source in the ZOG leaked the image that is used to me. I am sharing this with you all on a confidential basis because I know that iSteve readers are all good people and not anti-Semitic.

    In Israel and Africa the ZOG omits these frames from the movies but everywhere else they put them in. In Kung Fu movies and Mel Gibson movies, twice as many.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Here's a Jewish joke from my Uncle Avram.

    A waiter comes up to his regular table and says, "Ladies, is anything all right?"
  113. @International Jew
    The Hungarian Jews were just Galician Jews who migrated over the low mountains that today separate Slovakia from Poland. There was no border there because the Austro-Hungarian Empire ruled both sides.
    And what was Galicia but Austria's share of dismembered Poland — just as the Pale was Russia's share. So the cultural distinction wasn't so meaningful.

    Romania was the same story, though not quite as neatly as there were many Sephardi Jews in the south.

    In Israel’s early days, Romanian Jews (who had survived the Holocaust almost in their entirety and arrived in the hundreds of thousands) had a kind of white trash status.

    Hungarians and Germans were more elite, but there weren’t very many of them.

  114. @Asagirian
    Ethnic identity and solidarity. Patriarchy, esp among the Orthodox who have most children. Social-Nationalism where the elites feel closer to national folk than to elites around the world. A nation that tells each person that they are precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history than an expendable economic unit to be replaced by foreigners. A tempered elitism that says even though people should strive to succeed and move up, they should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades than 'losers' and 'trash'(to feed with opioids). A national elite that is autonomous than cuckily in service of another elite(that is actually hostile).

    In Minnesota, idiot Scandinavian Americans are cheering that they elected the first non-white Muslim woman to be a Congressman. In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister. I don't think Jews will cheer for the first Palestinian leader of Israel. Yes, a first! a first! A first Palestinian leader of Israel!!!! Nah, I think Jews want to keep it a nation ruled by Jews forever and ever.

    Now, imagine if some Polish Catholics enter Israel as immigrants. Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150. Though only 2% of the population, suppose they take over Israeli banking, media, academia, and etc. Suppose they buy up Israeli politicians and tell them to repeat 'diversity is our strength' and welcome a future in which Jews will be a minority. Suppose these Polish Catholics control media and make TV shows about the evils of Nakba and Zionist oppression of Palestinians and fill Jewish kids with 'Jewish guilt'. Suppose they make endless movies about Holodomor and Jewish involvement in communism and deaths of millions and erect Slavocaust momuments all over Israel. Suppose endless commercials and shows on TV tell Jewish women that Jewish men are dorky losers and patriarchal oppressors and that Jewish girls should go with Muslim, black, Palestinian, and Iranian men and have mixed-race babies who are Muslim or Christian than Jewish. Suppose most Israeli politicians are cucks like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and suck up to Polish Catholics minority elites. Suppose Polish Catholics tell Jewish elites to look down on Jewish working class as losers who should be drugged and killed off with opioids. And if any Jewish elite person shows any sympathy or expresses any solidarity with Jewish masses, it is denounced as 'racism' and 'Jewish supremacism'. OMG, how care Jewish elites care more for Jewish masses than side with Polish minority elite globalists.

    Hmmm... I wonder what would happen to Israel.

    Fun fact: Israel’s immigration laws were liberalized in the mid-1960s to allow the immigration of the non-Jewish relatives of Polish Jews. Used to be you had to be Jewish period, having a grandparent wasn’t enough.

  115. I guess that’s why North Korea’s TFR is also below replacement rate, but not so much. Hollywood movies are banned but God King Kim Jong Un watches enough films to almost make up for that fact. Proof, he has no kids.

    Since Thailand is in the bottom 10 too, I guess it is simply because Jews have hated Thais forever and have had a culture of critique against them for millenia. The infamous ghetto of Ayutthaya has been wiped from history books and they won’t even make a movie about it, simply to hide this!

    I also guess that since the birth rates in America, France and Britain are actually relatively high, while they also have the most Jews of developed countries outside of Israel, this is part of a clever scheme of deception. It makes the facts out to be the opposite of wild anti-Semitic conspiracy theories – ergo it must be Jewish deception to not let “the goyim know”.

  116. @ Tyrion 2
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israels-demographic-miracle/#comment-3031458

    “What does Israel that all of the following not have?”

    Well, all of them are controled by the same people, so…

    …oh, wait, you said – “n-o-t have”

  117. @ Tyrion 2

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israels-demographic-miracle/#comment-3031458

    “What does Israel that all of the following not have?”

    Hmmm, maybe a nucular urge for survival measured in megatons?

  118. @Tyrion 2
    I'm of the belief now that Israel is the outlier for one reason. While the modern economy and the accompanying economic incentives that boost feminism are emasculating to men and make women fat, it is very hard to see how making men and women substantially less attractive could fail to result in fewer romantic attachments and their final form - K selected child-rearing.

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.

    Having all men serve time in the IDF leads to ethnic solidarity and a belief in a shared nation destiny. This helps make for a higher birthrate. Then the Israelis double down on this by making women serve too. I realize many of the ultra religious men and women are never in the military. Plus many non-Jews are such as Druze, Bedouin, Circassians do serve. They volunteer plus get more respect which leads to better jobs and careers later on.

    Circassian men serve in the Israeli army, they are one of three minority groups in Israel drafted into the Israel Defense Forces.

    Israel is one of only a few countries in the world with a mandatory military service requirement for women.[1][2][3]

    via wikipedia.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Maybe, but North Korea has below replacement rate TFR while having no lack of national service for women nor nationalism. Of course, it is also a total dump run by the worst government on earth. Imagine having a population of Koreans and making that detritus country!
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Israel is one of only a few countries in the world with a mandatory military service requirement for women.[1][2][3]

    via wikipedia.'

    Colloquially, the better looking female draftees are known as 'company mattresses.' The real honeys, of course, are for the commander only.

  119. @istevefan

    No. Group A is diminishing 10% per generation while Group B is growing 15% per generation. The difference isn’t “half a child” or even 25 percentage points. The difference is the future or lack of it. The difference is literally infinite.
     
    Interesting analysis. But your conclusion only matters if Group A has competition in its territory. If Group A is safely alone in its territory it will face a population decrease, but that might not be a bad thing. This is why the USA and the European world are staring at the abyss, while Japan and South Korea are not. Our birth rates would not necessarily be a problem in and of themselves. They are a problem because our leaders have opened our borders to all comers.

    Right. That’s why I said “where subgroups … are competing for the same land. “

  120. @Clyde

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.
     
    Having all men serve time in the IDF leads to ethnic solidarity and a belief in a shared nation destiny. This helps make for a higher birthrate. Then the Israelis double down on this by making women serve too. I realize many of the ultra religious men and women are never in the military. Plus many non-Jews are such as Druze, Bedouin, Circassians do serve. They volunteer plus get more respect which leads to better jobs and careers later on.

    Circassian men serve in the Israeli army, they are one of three minority groups in Israel drafted into the Israel Defense Forces.
     

    Israel is one of only a few countries in the world with a mandatory military service requirement for women.[1][2][3]
     
    via wikipedia.

    Maybe, but North Korea has below replacement rate TFR while having no lack of national service for women nor nationalism. Of course, it is also a total dump run by the worst government on earth. Imagine having a population of Koreans and making that detritus country!

  121. @Colin Wright
    It's an experiment.

    First, see how many people you can pack into strip of semi-desert the size of one largish Western US county.

    Then, provoke and enrage all your neighbors and see what happens.

    Colin, Sorry, I should have said Western NY, not just Erie County.

  122. @Tyrion 2
    I'm of the belief now that Israel is the outlier for one reason. While the modern economy and the accompanying economic incentives that boost feminism are emasculating to men and make women fat, it is very hard to see how making men and women substantially less attractive could fail to result in fewer romantic attachments and their final form - K selected child-rearing.

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.

    ‘…Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service…’

    I don’t think shooting children and pretty girls who give you dirty looks constitutes ‘real military service.’

    • Replies: @Anon
    You gotta be the saltiest poster here !!!
    , @Anonymous
    Wait are the pretty girls giving dirty looks the Israeli female soldiers? That sentence is difficult to parse.
  123. @Lot
    Study harder!

    http://christianeducationfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Jewish-Chidren.jpg

    Sure are a lotta gingers (and near-gingers) in that image… must have been just a fucking wall of freckles from Alexandria to Canaan during the fictional Exodus.

    Was Moses a bloodnut? Were Avram and his half-sister Sarai, redmuffs?

    It’s almost like those kids are a completely different race from the region’s historical inhabitants.

    It’s also excellent that they’re wasting their time reading some Bronze Age fiction: it will equip them badly for life in the 21st century, so their welfare-dependent culture [sic] can be competed to oblivion.

    Western Jews (especially the high-IQ Sephards of Western Europe) are slowly tiring of having to lend support to their primitive Osteuropäische co-religionists and their Zionist occupation of Palestine (which, like Afghanistan, has seen conquerors come and go dozens of times over the last 3 millennia).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Sephardic Jews have IQs roughly similar to Anglo-Saxons. Like the latter, their talents are more balanced than the Ashkenazim.
    , @Lot
    "It’s almost like those kids are a completely different race from the region’s historical inhabitants"

    They are about 40% Levantine 50% Italian/South French 10% north euro.

    Living 1000 years in northern Europe lightened them up.
  124. @Lot
    Study harder!

    http://christianeducationfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Jewish-Chidren.jpg

    Billions in free money extracted from American workers sure helps (Jewish Israelis).

  125. @istevefan
    That would be a good discussion. I was under the belief that the more religious one is the more children one would have. Iran seems to contradict this. Maybe the Iranian people are not as religious as we perceive them. I have never been there, don't speak their language, nor personally know anyone from Iran. So I just assumed they were highly religious because of their regime. Does anyone have first hand knowledge?

    I’ve known plenty of Persians. They were well-off and quite secular. They would claim the mantle of Muslim, but they practiced almost nothing and believed even less. Reminded me of Jews.

  126. @Tyrion 2
    I'm of the belief now that Israel is the outlier for one reason. While the modern economy and the accompanying economic incentives that boost feminism are emasculating to men and make women fat, it is very hard to see how making men and women substantially less attractive could fail to result in fewer romantic attachments and their final form - K selected child-rearing.

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.

    Israel’s military service isn’t really all that. Its real value may lie in what it isn’t – an American-style college dorm, with all that entails.

  127. @Tyrion 2
    No, you wish death on its people, you solipsistic nitwit.

    ‘No, you wish death on its people, you solipsistic nitwit.’

    I wish only the best for the people of occupied Palestine.

    Those vicious invaders should be allowed to leave, which they will as soon as their subsidies and protection are withdrawn.

    There really isn’t a problem here — except the one we perpetuate.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Keep dreaming Achmed.
  128. @IHTG
    My suspicion, although I cannot prove it, is that much of the rise in "secular" fertility is driven by Sephardic Jews with higher fertility preferences dropping out of the "traditionalist" camp and becoming secular. In many cases these would be mixed Ashkenazi-Sephardi marriages, resulting in a kind of hybrid vigor.

    The Sephardics are now more than half the population of Israel and have the higher birth rates. But this is meaningless. The average Israeli Jewish IQ is 93. This gives them a 10 point advantage over the Muslim Arabs.

    In the West, Ashkenazis have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians.

    I want Israel’s population to go higher. The best way is to expel the Jews from Western countries.

    • Troll: IHTG
  129. @Bill P
    When you're systematically seizing land and handing it off to your youth sure fertility is going to go up. Back when we Americans were doing that we had the highest fertility in the Western world.

    When the opposite is happening it goes down. Go figure. It also goes down when the old are leveraging their ownership to effortlessly profit from younger generations' labor.

    Raising fertility is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be, but it takes sacrifice on the part of either a) another people, or b) older people. If white Americans suddenly put a policy in place whereby we could push minorities out of their neighborhoods and hand it over to our own kids (e.g. WWII Japanese internment) our fertility would rise in short order. We could also raise fertility by convincing older empty nesters to downgrade from four or five bedroom homes to condos instead of trying to sell the condos to young people at enormous profits.

    It all comes down to priorities. Our priorities are clearly different from Israelis', and it isn't really American Jews' fault. Try convincing a recently retired upper middle class baby boomer couple to move to a 1,200 square foot condo so a young couple can raise a family in their 2,500 square foot house. Not going to happen, even if it's their own kids.

    Amish old folks, on the other hand, will literally move into a shack in the backyard so their kids can take over the house and raise a large brood.

    Priorities.

    Our priorities are clearly different from Israelis’, and it isn’t really American Jews’ fault.

    a recently retired upper middle class baby boomer couple

    the old are leveraging their ownership to effortlessly profit from younger generations’ labor

    Here is the central problem with blaming ordinary, b.1940s and b.1950s, middle class, White-Christian Core Americans:

    It wasn’t they who poisoned the culture.

  130. @Clyde

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.
     
    Having all men serve time in the IDF leads to ethnic solidarity and a belief in a shared nation destiny. This helps make for a higher birthrate. Then the Israelis double down on this by making women serve too. I realize many of the ultra religious men and women are never in the military. Plus many non-Jews are such as Druze, Bedouin, Circassians do serve. They volunteer plus get more respect which leads to better jobs and careers later on.

    Circassian men serve in the Israeli army, they are one of three minority groups in Israel drafted into the Israel Defense Forces.
     

    Israel is one of only a few countries in the world with a mandatory military service requirement for women.[1][2][3]
     
    via wikipedia.

    ‘…Israel is one of only a few countries in the world with a mandatory military service requirement for women.[1][2][3]

    via wikipedia.’

    Colloquially, the better looking female draftees are known as ‘company mattresses.’ The real honeys, of course, are for the commander only.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I doubt you have any idea what you are talking about, but you get to something - there is something of the 70s as regards sex in Israel.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/dating-apps-are-full-of-woke-profiles-no-wonder-were-no-longer-having-sex/
  131. @Buffalo Joe
    Colin, nice comment. I was surprised, when we toured the Holy land, how small Israel is. I think the county I live in, Erie County, NY is about the same size, but we have no desert and plenty of farmland and fresh water.

    It is your neighbor Cleveland that is the city of miracles, where rivers catch on fire.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Neil, Cleveland is the Holy Land if you count bullet holes.
  132. @Ed
    They’re still a minority, an extremely tiny one. Blaming Jews for white or in particular WASP apathy, extreme altruism or self-flagellation over race seems absurd to me. It’s not the Jews fault that the Bushes of the country see nothing wrong with inviting the entire world while expanding mindless consumerism under the umbrella of democracy to the world.

    American whites post WW2 probably created and lived in the most affluent, secure time and place in human history. They decided to throw it all the way out of guilt over their good fortune. Jews can’t be blamed for that.

    Yeah, I don’t know of any diaspora involved in the Bush admins, that’s for sure. Should we cue the laugh track?

  133. @Colin Wright
    'The maps at your link that take in Egypt, Iraq, etc are pretty silly.

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David’s kingdom.'

    Was it bigger or smaller than King Arthur's kingdom?

    The reasonable goal is the restoration of David’s kingdom.’

    Was it bigger or smaller than King Arthur’s kingdom?

    But the Jews always say “size doesn’t matter” (wonder why they say that?).

    Anyway, the key difference you’re after here was in naming:

    King Arthur had his Knights of the Round Table

    King David had his Nachts of the Kristall Table..

    Like all mythology, the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

  134. I think getting a check from Israel for $3k/american each year would likely improve the fertility rates here and it sounds fair considering how much we’ve loaned them over the years. What do you think?

  135. @Tyrion 2
    No, you wish death on its people, you solipsistic nitwit.

    No, you wish death on its people, you solipsistic nitwit.

    Oh wait, now I remember why they say “size doesn’t matter”…

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
  136. @Jack D
    You're just trying to distract us with facts. Everyone in these countries is influenced by the Zionist media even if there is not a single Jew in the country - in every Hollywood movie there are subliminal frames that say "Don't have babies". In order to transcend the language barrier, they use international symbols. These flash by too quickly to be seen by the naked eye but a source in the ZOG leaked the image that is used to me. I am sharing this with you all on a confidential basis because I know that iSteve readers are all good people and not anti-Semitic.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-22vEPjq6svo/UmIxEO-YySI/AAAAAAAACRA/gqUGJv9EWKo/s320/916646-los-ninos-prohibidos-signo.jpg


    In Israel and Africa the ZOG omits these frames from the movies but everywhere else they put them in. In Kung Fu movies and Mel Gibson movies, twice as many.

    Here’s a Jewish joke from my Uncle Avram.

    A waiter comes up to his regular table and says, “Ladies, is anything all right?”

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  137. @HA
    "Some people can’t take a joke."

    Some people can't seem to let go of their fixations about "local drunken peasantry” they presume to be betters of, and then dismiss anyone who calls them out as not being able to take a joke.

    In case that tactic fails, which it often does, there's always the "Your anti-Semitism has blinded you to humanity" card, ready to be pulled at a moment's notice. Oh, that's a riot, that one is, let me tell you.

    Ask yourself which topics and which people in the world one is and isn't able to joke about and ridicule -- make a careful list of that -- and then get back to me.

    “Mr. Schoenberg, you have 2 choices:

    A) You spend the rest of your life with your wife, or-”

    “B!”

  138. @Colin Wright
    '...Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service...'

    I don't think shooting children and pretty girls who give you dirty looks constitutes 'real military service.'

    You gotta be the saltiest poster here !!!

  139. @Anon 2
    Jack, Jack, you always complain about antisemitism so “Why do you look at the
    speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?”

    So far I see no evidence he knows what a Semite is. If you don’t know what something is, how can you define who is anti-it and why?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Actually, I'd like to know what "a Semite" is. Do tell.

    Does it have something to do with the Semitic language family?
  140. @Neil Templeton
    It is your neighbor Cleveland that is the city of miracles, where rivers catch on fire.

    Neil, Cleveland is the Holy Land if you count bullet holes.

  141. @Redneck farmer
    America could solve a lot of problems by getting rid of Medicare. What was the line in that popular Jewish religious text? "I will grant you three score and ten". Not we'll keep you alive a lot longer than you can naturally, so you can expend your family's or community's resources as you do nothing but complain.

    No. That’s the kind of retarded logic among white conservatives that needs to go away. Getting rid of Medicare will not cause pre-modern family structures to reemerge. It’s bizarre that you would say something like that in a discussion of Israel raising it’s fertility without doing anything remotely like eliminating medical care for the elderly. It’s like white conservatives are primitive robots who just spew out this 19th Cen. laissez faire garbage in response to any input.

    We need to instill a sense of pride in our people, not kill granny.

  142. @Colin Wright
    '...The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany……

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.'

    Actually, the ultimate revenge is something else, and it's already starting to happen.

    Israeli Jews are emigrating to Germany themselves.

    Better them than…some other kinds of immigrants.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Better them than…some other kinds of immigrants.'

    You would appear to be unaware of the criminal tendencies of Israeli Jews. Ironically, they often prey on American Jews (who make the mistake of trusting them), but they go after gentiles as well.

    Think of them as Gypsies who know which fork to use. Then decide whether to be glad we can look collectively forward to six million in the next decade or two.
  143. @Colin Wright
    'Say what you will about Jews, but it turns out they’re good at ethnonationalism too.'

    Sometimes I think God allowed the ethical abomination that is modern Israel to come into being to teach Jews humility.

    All those centuries of imagining themselves to be uniquely virtuous victims...let them into the driver's seat and it turns out they're at least as vile as any of us. Somewhat worse, in quite a few respects, actually. After all, most conquerors eventually settle down into some kind of workable accomodation with their erstwhile victims. The Jews of Israel are like a nasty little child, endlessly pulling the wings off the poor fly they've caught.

    ...and even the nasty little boy will be embarrassed and try to hide what he's doing if you catch him at it. Israeli Jews and those who support them seem to think they're demonstrating their manhood by it or something.

    Colin, I’m not trying to get you to approve of Israel or like Jews because you are free to dislike anyone you want, and there are of course legitimate reasons to criticize Israel and Israeli behavior. It’s like when people who hate America go on about America’s crimes and bad behavior. There’s no point in denying that America has done some terrible things. While acknowledging these things, I’m still going to love America. Now what?

    I would ask if you think minorities in Israel are significantly worse off than other minorities like Chinese Muslims, the Rohingya in Burma, Kurds wherever they are, Indian dalits, poor South African whites, Egyptian Copts, Indios in Latin America, Christians in Lebanon, Sindh Hindus, Bahais in Iran, etc

    Steve’s post is about demographics. The Israeli Arab population was about 150,00 in 1948 (~1.2 million pre-partition) and now is slightly over 2 million. This is why when Palestinian allies in the West speak of “ethnic cleansing,” one has to wonder if they understand the concept.

    About a million Arabs left or were chased or terrorized out of Israel, but about a million Jews came the other way, too. Now, the Jewish populations in Syria, Egypt, Yemen Morocco, Iraq, etc were substantial pre-’48, but about a million were expelled or ‘encouraged to leave’ by the Arab governments. Today the Jewish population in these countries is negligible.

    Population transfer occurred many times in the 20th century. Turkey and Greece exchanged 1.5 million people in 1923. The population transfer in India and Pakistan involved about 10 million people. The Poles kicked out about 3 million Germans, from homes they lived in for generations. There are many other examples of which you are well aware I’m sure.

    Again, detest Israel all you want, but by your standard there are no shortage of states we might describe as ‘ethical abominations.’ It’s a question of emphasis, and I’m sincerely interested in why this particular state is unique in its abominable ethics.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Lot
    Very well said.

    Colin's married to a Salvadorian, goes to IRL anti-Israel protests in the SF area (imagine the crowd that attracts) and is all-in on browning/overthrowing the West. Oppressed Tibetans and Copts can't be used as cudgels against us.

  144. @Colin Wright
    'No, you wish death on its people, you solipsistic nitwit.'

    I wish only the best for the people of occupied Palestine.

    Those vicious invaders should be allowed to leave, which they will as soon as their subsidies and protection are withdrawn.

    There really isn't a problem here -- except the one we perpetuate.

    Keep dreaming Achmed.

  145. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Colin, I'm not trying to get you to approve of Israel or like Jews because you are free to dislike anyone you want, and there are of course legitimate reasons to criticize Israel and Israeli behavior. It's like when people who hate America go on about America's crimes and bad behavior. There's no point in denying that America has done some terrible things. While acknowledging these things, I'm still going to love America. Now what?

    I would ask if you think minorities in Israel are significantly worse off than other minorities like Chinese Muslims, the Rohingya in Burma, Kurds wherever they are, Indian dalits, poor South African whites, Egyptian Copts, Indios in Latin America, Christians in Lebanon, Sindh Hindus, Bahais in Iran, etc

    Steve's post is about demographics. The Israeli Arab population was about 150,00 in 1948 (~1.2 million pre-partition) and now is slightly over 2 million. This is why when Palestinian allies in the West speak of "ethnic cleansing," one has to wonder if they understand the concept.

    About a million Arabs left or were chased or terrorized out of Israel, but about a million Jews came the other way, too. Now, the Jewish populations in Syria, Egypt, Yemen Morocco, Iraq, etc were substantial pre-'48, but about a million were expelled or 'encouraged to leave' by the Arab governments. Today the Jewish population in these countries is negligible.

    Population transfer occurred many times in the 20th century. Turkey and Greece exchanged 1.5 million people in 1923. The population transfer in India and Pakistan involved about 10 million people. The Poles kicked out about 3 million Germans, from homes they lived in for generations. There are many other examples of which you are well aware I'm sure.

    Again, detest Israel all you want, but by your standard there are no shortage of states we might describe as 'ethical abominations.' It's a question of emphasis, and I'm sincerely interested in why this particular state is unique in its abominable ethics.

    Very well said.

    Colin’s married to a Salvadorian, goes to IRL anti-Israel protests in the SF area (imagine the crowd that attracts) and is all-in on browning/overthrowing the West. Oppressed Tibetans and Copts can’t be used as cudgels against us.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    goes to IRL anti-Israel protests in the SF area (imagine the crowd that attracts)
     
    I've stumbled upon two of these in person, one for Quds day it turned out and one which appeared to be for no particular discernable reason, and I can tell you that it is worse than you are probably even imagining.

    There are basically three groups in attendance. Two of the groups you can probably picture accurately, which are the Islamist thugs (male and covered female, the latter with extra shreeky 'tude) and the generic Oakland-ish "neighborhood activists" who go to any event that has a slim chance of resulting in having their face on the evening news. But the truly repulsive are group 3 - the smattering of white people there, who are just crazy-eyed, mis-shapen freaks. They have to be seen to be believed. The only reference point I can give is in Midnight Express when Billy gets banished to the mental ward where everyone just walks in a circle - it's like those people. I wonder if Colin W. is one of the people I've seen...
  146. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt
    Polish IQ is the 8th highest in the world.

    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-in-poland.html

    Perhaps the science fiction part of your comment is that Poles could never be hyper-pushy?

    Poles make good engineers and scientists and reasonably good doctors and excellent skilled tradesmen, but mediocre lawyers and politicians at best. They aren’t politically smart. They are the anti-Jews in the sense that what makes Jews successful they don’t have at all, They lack pushiness, chutzpah, whatever you want to call it.

  147. @Anonymous
    So far I see no evidence he knows what a Semite is. If you don't know what something is, how can you define who is anti-it and why?

    Actually, I’d like to know what “a Semite” is. Do tell.

    Does it have something to do with the Semitic language family?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, Semites are people who originally spoke languages that were in the Semitic family, the vast majority of whom were and are not Jews, although Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews are certainly Semites, the Ashkenazim sort-of.

    But Arabs are the vast majority of Semites today, most of whom are Muslims, though not all Muslims are Semites of course.

    The point is , Semite is not a synonym for Jew and the term "antisemitism" as a reference for anti-Jewishness is ludicrous and must be opposed.
  148. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    I'm of the belief now that Israel is the outlier for one reason. While the modern economy and the accompanying economic incentives that boost feminism are emasculating to men and make women fat, it is very hard to see how making men and women substantially less attractive could fail to result in fewer romantic attachments and their final form - K selected child-rearing.

    Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service, just as it keeps young women skinny by putting them through training and into support roles.

    You suggest that military training from ages 18-21 makes Israeli Jews on the whole slimmer and more attractive. It would surprise me if 18-21-year old Israelis weren’t fitter on average than those in other developed nations, but can you point to any numbers to suggest that these benefits last beyond the years of initial service? I can’t find age and ethnicity specific numbers for obesity in Israel, but according to the OECD, Israel’s obesity rate is higher than many countries with lower fertility,no national service, or some combination of both, like the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Italy, South Korea and Japan. The overall Israeli rates are dragged up by the much higher Arab obesity rates(which do seem to be well-documented and may lend credence to your conscription hypothesis), but the OECD numbers are also for over-15’s as a whole, so Israel’s relative youth compared to the aforementioned countries probably artificially deflates their obesity rate. All else being equal, older people tend to be fatter.

    It would be interesting to know if anyone has studied obesity rates among the Arab(ish) Druze, whose men are required to serve, but whose women aren’t. Are Druze under-30’s more like Jews or other Arabs? Is there a big gender gap?

    Also, couldn’t mandatory military service for women actually drag down fertility, especially among those who aspire to university and graduate degrees? It delays entry into tertiary education for a couple of years, which might lower the overall number of children born.

    Douglas Murray has pointed out that according to some studies, if European women actually had the number of children they say they want to have, most European countries would be at replacement fertility(I think Germany and Austria were the only exceptions). I wonder if anyone has ever done a similar study of Israeli women.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2

    Douglas Murray has pointed out that according to some studies, if European women actually had the number of children they say they want to have,
     
    That's a neat piece of rhetoric. It even has some real indications, but I don't think one can substantially rely upon people's wishlists for life.

    You suggest that military training from ages 18-21 makes Israeli Jews on the whole slimmer and more attractive. It would surprise me if 18-21-year old Israelis weren’t fitter on average than those in other developed nations, but can you point to any numbers to suggest that these benefits last beyond the years of initial service
     
    I've only ever visited as a tourist. Still, I couldn't help but notice that Israeli 20 somethings are a svelte and attractive bunch and that it is this age which is important for forming the relationships that lead to high birth rates. I also notice that, in the modern age at least, highly unattractive people are generally wholly dissatisfied with highly unattractive partners.
  149. @Colin Wright
    '...Israel is lucky in that it unemasculates men through real military service...'

    I don't think shooting children and pretty girls who give you dirty looks constitutes 'real military service.'

    Wait are the pretty girls giving dirty looks the Israeli female soldiers? That sentence is difficult to parse.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    They might be. Israeli men can pretty crude when they hit on you. It's not date rape, but it is annoying.
  150. @Lot
    Study harder!

    http://christianeducationfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Jewish-Chidren.jpg

    You want gentiles to study the talmud? Doing so is a crime punishable by death, according to that very same talmud. But even if it wasn’t, no thanks; it’s not as much fun for us as it is for you to read of how we gentiles are subhumans put on earth solely to serve your race. Might even inspire anti-semitism in some on the fringe.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    People should have some familiarity with the Talmud. It would lead to a certain racial awareness.
    , @Nachum
    I see you're a big expert in the Talmud. Can you answer a few questions?

    -How many Talmuds are there?

    -What are they called?

    -What language are they written in?

    -Can you read that language?

    -Which is usually just called "the Talmud"?

    -How many volumes does it usually fill?

    -How many pages in those volumes total?

    =Have you ever seen a physical set?

    -Have you ever cracked one open?

    =Have you read it, plus all the thousands of volumes of commentaries, in their entirety?

    Just wondering.
  151. @Kratoklastes
    Sure are a lotta gingers (and near-gingers) in that image... must have been just a fucking wall of freckles from Alexandria to Canaan during the fictional Exodus.

    Was Moses a bloodnut? Were Avram and his half-sister Sarai, redmuffs?

    It's almost like those kids are a completely different race from the region's historical inhabitants.

    It's also excellent that they're wasting their time reading some Bronze Age fiction: it will equip them badly for life in the 21st century, so their welfare-dependent culture [sic] can be competed to oblivion.

    Western Jews (especially the high-IQ Sephards of Western Europe) are slowly tiring of having to lend support to their primitive Osteuropäische co-religionists and their Zionist occupation of Palestine (which, like Afghanistan, has seen conquerors come and go dozens of times over the last 3 millennia).

    Sephardic Jews have IQs roughly similar to Anglo-Saxons. Like the latter, their talents are more balanced than the Ashkenazim.

  152. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Very well said.

    Colin's married to a Salvadorian, goes to IRL anti-Israel protests in the SF area (imagine the crowd that attracts) and is all-in on browning/overthrowing the West. Oppressed Tibetans and Copts can't be used as cudgels against us.

    goes to IRL anti-Israel protests in the SF area (imagine the crowd that attracts)

    I’ve stumbled upon two of these in person, one for Quds day it turned out and one which appeared to be for no particular discernable reason, and I can tell you that it is worse than you are probably even imagining.

    There are basically three groups in attendance. Two of the groups you can probably picture accurately, which are the Islamist thugs (male and covered female, the latter with extra shreeky ‘tude) and the generic Oakland-ish “neighborhood activists” who go to any event that has a slim chance of resulting in having their face on the evening news. But the truly repulsive are group 3 – the smattering of white people there, who are just crazy-eyed, mis-shapen freaks. They have to be seen to be believed. The only reference point I can give is in Midnight Express when Billy gets banished to the mental ward where everyone just walks in a circle – it’s like those people. I wonder if Colin W. is one of the people I’ve seen…

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    If Colin wants to spend his time yelling about Israeli humus outside the Rainbow Grocery that's his business. Most street protests just annoy people. Normal folks see that stuff and think, 'whatever side those losers are on, I'm on the other.'

    My questions to Colin were genuine, but the Palestine obsessives in the West are an odd and churlish bunch. I've known many Palestinians and Israelis, but with them you can at least have a reasonable discussion. The BDS types can't contain their rage long enough.

    They remind me of the people who used to go on about South Africa, without knowing any South Africans. Or white northerners who run down 'racist' southerners. The most hardcore Boers or segregationists invariably were much more at ease with blacks than unctuous, try-hard liberals.

    It's funny, because the Arab world is perceptibly more resigned to Israel's existence these days. They have their own problems.
    , @Colin Wright
    'I’ve stumbled upon two of these in person, one for Quds day it turned out and one which appeared to be for no particular discernable reason, and I can tell you that it is worse than you are probably even imagining.

    There are basically three groups in attendance...'

    I take it this is the best you can do for an argument in defense of Israel.
  153. @Rosamond Vincy
    Better them than...some other kinds of immigrants.

    ‘Better them than…some other kinds of immigrants.’

    You would appear to be unaware of the criminal tendencies of Israeli Jews. Ironically, they often prey on American Jews (who make the mistake of trusting them), but they go after gentiles as well.

    Think of them as Gypsies who know which fork to use. Then decide whether to be glad we can look collectively forward to six million in the next decade or two.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    I was referring to the custom of murdering people at Christkindlmärkte, Cercanías trains, and Eagles of Death Metal concerts.

    Hadn't heard about the swindling tendencies of Israelis. I did have one give me a ridiculously unsubtle come-on at Webster Hall years ago, but I'd been warned that, possibly because of compulsory military service and the imminence of death, Israeli guys want everything yesterday. I wasn't at all tempted and ditched him as soon as possible, but it wasn't New Year's Eve in Cologne. I never felt I was in any danger. He was just a jackass, and we have plenty of those born locally.
  154. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Actually, I'd like to know what "a Semite" is. Do tell.

    Does it have something to do with the Semitic language family?

    Yes, Semites are people who originally spoke languages that were in the Semitic family, the vast majority of whom were and are not Jews, although Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews are certainly Semites, the Ashkenazim sort-of.

    But Arabs are the vast majority of Semites today, most of whom are Muslims, though not all Muslims are Semites of course.

    The point is , Semite is not a synonym for Jew and the term “antisemitism” as a reference for anti-Jewishness is ludicrous and must be opposed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    For reals. Also Arachnophobia means a fear of spiders, but technically tics and other animals are arachnids. So let's aspie out about how we really need to invent a different word to describe fear of spiders and start a campaign to get everyone to use the new word. Or we could just accept that we have a useful decriptive term with an accepted definition and move on.
  155. @Anonymous
    No secrets here. All it takes is for elites to be sufficiently nationalistic to adopt strongly pro-natalist policies. See, apart from the Israel, Russia under Putin - a change from 1.2 in 2000 to 1.8 today.

    Or take Iceland: as recently as 2010 the fertility rate was 2.2, above population replacement. Then they opened immigration floodgates - and voila, the fertility rate went down to 1.7 today.

    Iceland

    They had a financial crisis that you are ignoring.

  156. @Kratoklastes
    Sure are a lotta gingers (and near-gingers) in that image... must have been just a fucking wall of freckles from Alexandria to Canaan during the fictional Exodus.

    Was Moses a bloodnut? Were Avram and his half-sister Sarai, redmuffs?

    It's almost like those kids are a completely different race from the region's historical inhabitants.

    It's also excellent that they're wasting their time reading some Bronze Age fiction: it will equip them badly for life in the 21st century, so their welfare-dependent culture [sic] can be competed to oblivion.

    Western Jews (especially the high-IQ Sephards of Western Europe) are slowly tiring of having to lend support to their primitive Osteuropäische co-religionists and their Zionist occupation of Palestine (which, like Afghanistan, has seen conquerors come and go dozens of times over the last 3 millennia).

    “It’s almost like those kids are a completely different race from the region’s historical inhabitants”

    They are about 40% Levantine 50% Italian/South French 10% north euro.

    Living 1000 years in northern Europe lightened them up.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...They are about 40% Levantine 50% Italian/South French 10% north euro...'

    It's improbable the Levantine Proportion could be that high -- I'd guess a few percent at most. See Shlomo Sand.
    , @Anon 2
    You’re forgetting that in the 1950s-‘60s the Jews from Poland often brought their Polish
    wives (and sometimes the wife’s relatives) to Israel, and starting in the 1970s-‘80s
    the same process was repeated with the Russian wives, etc of the Russian Jews.
    Hence the Israeli population today is partly Slavic. When Israel was formed, Polish
    was one of the official languages at the Knesset since Ben-Gurion and many other
    politicians were from Poland, and in those days hardly anybody was fluent in
    Hebrew.
    , @reiner Tor

    Living 1000 years in northern Europe lightened them up.
     
    That, and they probably had been pretty light to begin with. Levantines were closer to Europeans back then than they are now. And Norther Italians weren't that different from current Northern Italians either. So, they already looked a lot lighter than current Middle Easterners.
  157. @Lot
    "It’s almost like those kids are a completely different race from the region’s historical inhabitants"

    They are about 40% Levantine 50% Italian/South French 10% north euro.

    Living 1000 years in northern Europe lightened them up.

    ‘…They are about 40% Levantine 50% Italian/South French 10% north euro…’

    It’s improbable the Levantine Proportion could be that high — I’d guess a few percent at most. See Shlomo Sand.

    • Replies: @Lot
    The Khazar hypothesis was reasonable guess before we had genetic studies, which unequivocally show what I just said.

    Now it is just a few cranks. The guy you mentioned is an elderly communist with a Ph.D. in film studies.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TAimWIpgDAI/AAAAAAAACao/0uuOXPXvqcQ/s1600/pc-jews.jpg
    , @Anonymous

    Shlomo Sand
     
    It's great that for the latest modern population genetics analysis you turn to a washed up Marxist film critic.
  158. @would smashionalist
    You want gentiles to study the talmud? Doing so is a crime punishable by death, according to that very same talmud. But even if it wasn't, no thanks; it's not as much fun for us as it is for you to read of how we gentiles are subhumans put on earth solely to serve your race. Might even inspire anti-semitism in some on the fringe.

    People should have some familiarity with the Talmud. It would lead to a certain racial awareness.

  159. Meanwhile:

    ‘The Republican leader in the U.S. House of Representatives said he would take action against two Democrats who have sharply criticized Israel if the Democratic majority did not do so.
    “If they do not take action I think you’ll see action from myself,” Kevin McCarthy of California, the minority leader, said according to Capitol Hill reporters writing for a number of newspapers. “This cannot sustain itself. It’s unacceptable in this country.”…’

    Comment really is superfluous.

  160. @Kirt
    Clearly this isn't due to any increase in religious devotion among the Jews of Israel; indeed the opposite seems to be the case. Since religious dedication is usually associated with high fertility and secularization with falling birthrates, this makes for quite a puzzle. Have incentives sponsored by the Israeli government been a cause of this? Government incentives have been at best marginally effective in other countries. I've heard it suggested that fertility rises when people can see a bright future for their children, whether or not this perspective is accurate. If this is true, the Jews of Israel and particularly the less observant ones must foresee a future which is bright indeed.

    All evidence shows that Israel is indeed seeing an increase in religious devotion. To a certain extent, it’s always been there, but is now more recognized and more socially acceptable. About a quarter of Israeli Jews are fully observant Orthodox, and about another half are “traditional,” a category that would rank as quite religious by American standards. Even the remainder, the “secular,” often tend to be rather traditional. Only about one or two percent of the Jewish population describes itself as “anti-religious.”

  161. @istevefan
    That would be a good discussion. I was under the belief that the more religious one is the more children one would have. Iran seems to contradict this. Maybe the Iranian people are not as religious as we perceive them. I have never been there, don't speak their language, nor personally know anyone from Iran. So I just assumed they were highly religious because of their regime. Does anyone have first hand knowledge?

    There are claims that should the regime fall, a large percentage of Iranians would come out as Bahai or Zoroastrian. Granted those are religions as well, but those switching would be doing so more for cultural reasons.

  162. @Colin Wright
    'The irony is, of course, of the Israelis finally getting the ultimate revenge back on Germany……

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.'

    Add that Israeli and Israeli Jews have realized the Nazi dream far more perfectly than Germany ever did.

    You mean, colonizing the Slavic countries and enslaving the Slavs? Challenging Britain’s supremacy on the high seas? Euthanizing all retarded people? Recovering Alsace and Lorraine?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'You mean, colonizing the Slavic countries and enslaving the Slavs? Challenging Britain’s supremacy on the high seas? Euthanizing all retarded people? Recovering Alsace and Lorraine?'

    No, I mean a morbidly exaggerated racial nationalism based on an imagined history, coupled with a worship of violence, a contempt for law, a compulsion to wage aggressive war, and the practice of deliberate cruelty towards those unfortunate enough to fall under the 'Master Race''s power.

    Moreover, I have all too little doubt that should similar conditions of total war arise, Israel would carry out the same genocidal policy towards the Palestinians that the original Nazis carried out on the Jews. It's noticeable that Israel murders all she can get away with; every war she wages is accompanied by the gratuituous murder of civilians, often in considerable quantity. From Dier Yassin to Kfar Kassem to Sabra and Chantila to ' Cast Lead,' and all the lesser-known massacres in between, it's a constant motif in Israel's wars of aggression.

    So that's how I see the Zionists as akin to the Nazis.

    Since you ask.

  163. @Jack D

    Suppose these Polish Catholics are hyper-pushy and have an IQ of 150.
     
    So it's a science fiction movie, right?

    You expose yourself, Jack D.

  164. @Bardon Kaldian
    I've had similar conversation with Dmitry some time ago, but I would add some points...

    * Israeli Jews have TFR beyond replacement level, and they are the only developed nation with that characteristic, an anomaly. But: a) a significant part of it is demographic race with Arabs. Without enemy as that, why would Czechs or Norwegians rise their TFR? b) a big chunk goes to religious- not ultra-Orthodox- Jews/Jewesses, who somehow accept male dominance & traditional lifestyle at home (just- they do not stay confined to home: mothers of 4-5 children have PhD from Harvard in psychology or mom of 3 kids is a pediatrician).

    So, you have to have a national culture where religion, not too restrictive to status of females, does play a role & women are ennobled by their role in the whole fabric of society. Religion should be best thisworldly, with cooking, food, various taboos & family rituals- not theologically or metaphysically too heavy and exacting.

    * Israeli women have it good:

    https://youtu.be/HXRFQKxYT54

    but, statistically, they are not raving lunatic feminists as is the case with college-infesting US & Northern European women. But, why then Italy & Spain do have abysmal birth rates (loony feminism not very present there)? Don't know, must be some historical lows in the sine wave....

    * most Israeli Jews are religious. Not ultra-Orthodox, but still religious. Artsy-fartsy women don't have children there, either.

    * over 50% of them are of middle-Eastern origin, so traditionalist primitivism & family as a basic unit still retain their centripetal force

    * I would say that it is Zionism, or Jewish nationalism as the prime motivator for higher than average fertility among relatively well-off secular Jews. Demographic marathon with Muslims, that’s it. Zionism is, contrary to Jewish and antisemitic myths, a typical 19th C national ideology from central & eastern Europe. So, various orthodox religionists may have higher fertility because they’re, basically, pre-modern; on the other hand, fertile Israeli Jews need not be religious nor patriarchally backward.

    Nationalism & ethnic claustrophobia (sea of Arabs around them) are more than enough to explain this anomaly.

    * as an illustration (I’ve come across this):
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/celebrating-70-extraordinary-women-of-israel/

    Celebrating 70 extraordinary women of Israel
    ………………….

    5. Anita Weisfeld
    ……..
    Together, they have three grown children and nine grandchildren.

    7. Miriam Ballin
    ………
    Miriam spent five years in Australia before moving to Israel with her husband and 5 children.

    13. Shari Mendes
    ………..
    Shari, her husband David and their four children made aliyah in 2003 from New Jersey

    15. Dr. Yael Maizels
    …………
    Proud mother of five, Yael holds a BA in Biology and Jewish History from UPenn and completed her PhD at Hebrew University in Developmental and Cancer Biology.

    You see- all those women are, basically, religious. Just look at their biographies or clothing.


    Liberal-atheist female cohort is in Israel small, very small compared to European & advanced Asian countries.

    My prognosis is that, if things settle there, they will be no different from US Jews or any other developed country, TFR below 2.1.

    A very good analysis of the Israeli situation. They are very conscious of the demographic war with the Muslim nations and territories that surround and engulf them. Their women are doing their part, meaning they are doing their national survival imperative.
    Plus knowing that women are the conformist oriented sex…..The Israeli Jewish mothers are displaying and competing for nice large presentable families. Same as Mormons do here.

  165. @Anonymous

    goes to IRL anti-Israel protests in the SF area (imagine the crowd that attracts)
     
    I've stumbled upon two of these in person, one for Quds day it turned out and one which appeared to be for no particular discernable reason, and I can tell you that it is worse than you are probably even imagining.

    There are basically three groups in attendance. Two of the groups you can probably picture accurately, which are the Islamist thugs (male and covered female, the latter with extra shreeky 'tude) and the generic Oakland-ish "neighborhood activists" who go to any event that has a slim chance of resulting in having their face on the evening news. But the truly repulsive are group 3 - the smattering of white people there, who are just crazy-eyed, mis-shapen freaks. They have to be seen to be believed. The only reference point I can give is in Midnight Express when Billy gets banished to the mental ward where everyone just walks in a circle - it's like those people. I wonder if Colin W. is one of the people I've seen...

    If Colin wants to spend his time yelling about Israeli humus outside the Rainbow Grocery that’s his business. Most street protests just annoy people. Normal folks see that stuff and think, ‘whatever side those losers are on, I’m on the other.’

    My questions to Colin were genuine, but the Palestine obsessives in the West are an odd and churlish bunch. I’ve known many Palestinians and Israelis, but with them you can at least have a reasonable discussion. The BDS types can’t contain their rage long enough.

    They remind me of the people who used to go on about South Africa, without knowing any South Africans. Or white northerners who run down ‘racist’ southerners. The most hardcore Boers or segregationists invariably were much more at ease with blacks than unctuous, try-hard liberals.

    It’s funny, because the Arab world is perceptibly more resigned to Israel’s existence these days. They have their own problems.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    When you say "the Arab world," what you are talking about is the American ZOG imposed dictators.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Palestinian Christians sometimes sell things outside my church: creches made of olive wood from Bethlehem, etc. I got in a conversation with one about whether it was better if Muslims or Jews were in charge. Apparently, there wasn't much difference, except that Jews occasionally ignored them, while Muslims would actively go after them whenever they got any real power.

    These are some of the oldest Christians in the world (obviously). There's one Jewish state, a truckload of Muslim states, but where is there a Christian state? Do we count the Vatican?

    Making another Muslim state in the M.E. isn't good for anybody's safety.
  166. @Anonymous
    You suggest that military training from ages 18-21 makes Israeli Jews on the whole slimmer and more attractive. It would surprise me if 18-21-year old Israelis weren't fitter on average than those in other developed nations, but can you point to any numbers to suggest that these benefits last beyond the years of initial service? I can't find age and ethnicity specific numbers for obesity in Israel, but according to the OECD, Israel's obesity rate is higher than many countries with lower fertility,no national service, or some combination of both, like the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Italy, South Korea and Japan. The overall Israeli rates are dragged up by the much higher Arab obesity rates(which do seem to be well-documented and may lend credence to your conscription hypothesis), but the OECD numbers are also for over-15's as a whole, so Israel's relative youth compared to the aforementioned countries probably artificially deflates their obesity rate. All else being equal, older people tend to be fatter.

    It would be interesting to know if anyone has studied obesity rates among the Arab(ish) Druze, whose men are required to serve, but whose women aren't. Are Druze under-30's more like Jews or other Arabs? Is there a big gender gap?

    Also, couldn't mandatory military service for women actually drag down fertility, especially among those who aspire to university and graduate degrees? It delays entry into tertiary education for a couple of years, which might lower the overall number of children born.

    Douglas Murray has pointed out that according to some studies, if European women actually had the number of children they say they want to have, most European countries would be at replacement fertility(I think Germany and Austria were the only exceptions). I wonder if anyone has ever done a similar study of Israeli women.

    Douglas Murray has pointed out that according to some studies, if European women actually had the number of children they say they want to have,

    That’s a neat piece of rhetoric. It even has some real indications, but I don’t think one can substantially rely upon people’s wishlists for life.

    You suggest that military training from ages 18-21 makes Israeli Jews on the whole slimmer and more attractive. It would surprise me if 18-21-year old Israelis weren’t fitter on average than those in other developed nations, but can you point to any numbers to suggest that these benefits last beyond the years of initial service

    I’ve only ever visited as a tourist. Still, I couldn’t help but notice that Israeli 20 somethings are a svelte and attractive bunch and that it is this age which is important for forming the relationships that lead to high birth rates. I also notice that, in the modern age at least, highly unattractive people are generally wholly dissatisfied with highly unattractive partners.

  167. @Colin Wright
    '...They are about 40% Levantine 50% Italian/South French 10% north euro...'

    It's improbable the Levantine Proportion could be that high -- I'd guess a few percent at most. See Shlomo Sand.

    The Khazar hypothesis was reasonable guess before we had genetic studies, which unequivocally show what I just said.

    Now it is just a few cranks. The guy you mentioned is an elderly communist with a Ph.D. in film studies.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'The Khazar hypothesis was reasonable guess before we had genetic studies, which unequivocally show what I just said.'

    The only one referring to the Khazar hypothesis is you.

    In pre-modern times, Palestine could have supported no more than a few hundred thousand people; look up its estimated populations under the Mamluks and Ottomans.

    Moreover, there's no reason to think the entire population -- or even much if it at all -- left Palestine. This leaves aside the detail that at no point was everyone in Palestine Jewish.

    Yet the Roman Empire seems to have had a population of two million Jews. Moreover, the names on graves imply that in each successive generation, about half were new converts.

    Very few of today's Jews could be descended from inhabitants of Biblical Palestine. Moreover, this is visually immediately apparent. A Polsh Jew doesn't look in the least like a Yemeni Jew, who in turn doesn't look at all like a Tunisian Jew. Indeed (funnily enough) each tends to look remarkably like a Polish, Yemeni, or Tunisian gentile.

    Go figure. And that is just what genetic studies used to show, until 'researchers' with a Zionist agenda started cooking the books.

  168. @Joe Walker
    In Ireland, they cheer their first homo hindu prime minister.

    Varadkar has been a pretty good Taoiseach for Ireland. Unlike most of his predecessors he has no problems standing up to the Brits. I wish Obama had been as loyal to the United States as Varadkar is to Ireland.

    Taioseach – pronounced as ‘Tea Shock’.

    Rather appropriate as the Irish are the only nation having a higher per capita tea consumption than the English.

  169. @Lot
    The Khazar hypothesis was reasonable guess before we had genetic studies, which unequivocally show what I just said.

    Now it is just a few cranks. The guy you mentioned is an elderly communist with a Ph.D. in film studies.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TAimWIpgDAI/AAAAAAAACao/0uuOXPXvqcQ/s1600/pc-jews.jpg

    ‘The Khazar hypothesis was reasonable guess before we had genetic studies, which unequivocally show what I just said.’

    The only one referring to the Khazar hypothesis is you.

    In pre-modern times, Palestine could have supported no more than a few hundred thousand people; look up its estimated populations under the Mamluks and Ottomans.

    Moreover, there’s no reason to think the entire population — or even much if it at all — left Palestine. This leaves aside the detail that at no point was everyone in Palestine Jewish.

    Yet the Roman Empire seems to have had a population of two million Jews. Moreover, the names on graves imply that in each successive generation, about half were new converts.

    Very few of today’s Jews could be descended from inhabitants of Biblical Palestine. Moreover, this is visually immediately apparent. A Polsh Jew doesn’t look in the least like a Yemeni Jew, who in turn doesn’t look at all like a Tunisian Jew. Indeed (funnily enough) each tends to look remarkably like a Polish, Yemeni, or Tunisian gentile.

    Go figure. And that is just what genetic studies used to show, until ‘researchers’ with a Zionist agenda started cooking the books.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I take issue.

    DNA tests - even of the scratch n spit homebrew types - are extraordinarily good and faithful at picking up 'Jewish' DNA, be it Ashkenazi or Sephardim. Reliably, the tests can distinguish those of Jewish descent even from those of very similar non Jewish East Mediterranean ancestry. This is due to extreme bottleneck founder effects.

    In fact, an inkling of 'Jewish' DNA is found in virtually every living Mexican, though certain other Latino populations score none.
    Undoubtedly this is due to an extreme founder effect, due to certain prolific early 'converso' Conquistadors. The tests are so good and sensitive that this signal is picked up despite enormous dilution and many hundreds of years since initial mixing event.

  170. @Lot
    "It’s almost like those kids are a completely different race from the region’s historical inhabitants"

    They are about 40% Levantine 50% Italian/South French 10% north euro.

    Living 1000 years in northern Europe lightened them up.

    You’re forgetting that in the 1950s-‘60s the Jews from Poland often brought their Polish
    wives (and sometimes the wife’s relatives) to Israel, and starting in the 1970s-‘80s
    the same process was repeated with the Russian wives, etc of the Russian Jews.
    Hence the Israeli population today is partly Slavic. When Israel was formed, Polish
    was one of the official languages at the Knesset since Ben-Gurion and many other
    politicians were from Poland, and in those days hardly anybody was fluent in
    Hebrew.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    Do you just make this stuff up? The "Knesset" has no official languages and Polish never had any official status there, or in Israel at all. Ben Gurion was born in the Russian Empire and left young, decades before Poland even existed. He probably spoke Polish, but it wasn't his mother tongue at all. Most Israelis were fluent in Hebrew decades before Israel even existed.
  171. I remember when Yishai, the Tunisian Jewish Minister of the Interior, announced that ‘Israel is for the white man’ — by which he meant not for Arabs.

    I took one look at his picture and went hunting through Google photos of Tunisians.

    …and sure enough. I found his long-lost gentile twin brother.

    If it all weren’t so vicious it’d be comic.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Apparently, Palestinians and Israeli Jews frequently make genetic matches for transplants. They are mutually horrified, but I don't see why: they both accept that the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael would be cousins.
    , @Nachum
    Yishai is pretty pale. He was opposed to immigration of Eritreans, who are pretty black.

    Honestly, a lot of what goes on here regarding Israel looks like jealousy translated into sour grapes and worse.
  172. @International Jew
    You mean, colonizing the Slavic countries and enslaving the Slavs? Challenging Britain's supremacy on the high seas? Euthanizing all retarded people? Recovering Alsace and Lorraine?

    ‘You mean, colonizing the Slavic countries and enslaving the Slavs? Challenging Britain’s supremacy on the high seas? Euthanizing all retarded people? Recovering Alsace and Lorraine?’

    No, I mean a morbidly exaggerated racial nationalism based on an imagined history, coupled with a worship of violence, a contempt for law, a compulsion to wage aggressive war, and the practice of deliberate cruelty towards those unfortunate enough to fall under the ‘Master Race”s power.

    Moreover, I have all too little doubt that should similar conditions of total war arise, Israel would carry out the same genocidal policy towards the Palestinians that the original Nazis carried out on the Jews. It’s noticeable that Israel murders all she can get away with; every war she wages is accompanied by the gratuituous murder of civilians, often in considerable quantity. From Dier Yassin to Kfar Kassem to Sabra and Chantila to ‘ Cast Lead,’ and all the lesser-known massacres in between, it’s a constant motif in Israel’s wars of aggression.

    So that’s how I see the Zionists as akin to the Nazis.

    Since you ask.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    How much real love do you have for Palestinians? Have you talked to any? I have. It is easy for me to to see what they are for you. They are your hook for beating on Israeli Jews who are doing very well in repelling third world barbarism. 100 times better than paralyzed Euros in Germany and England.
  173. @Anonymous

    goes to IRL anti-Israel protests in the SF area (imagine the crowd that attracts)
     
    I've stumbled upon two of these in person, one for Quds day it turned out and one which appeared to be for no particular discernable reason, and I can tell you that it is worse than you are probably even imagining.

    There are basically three groups in attendance. Two of the groups you can probably picture accurately, which are the Islamist thugs (male and covered female, the latter with extra shreeky 'tude) and the generic Oakland-ish "neighborhood activists" who go to any event that has a slim chance of resulting in having their face on the evening news. But the truly repulsive are group 3 - the smattering of white people there, who are just crazy-eyed, mis-shapen freaks. They have to be seen to be believed. The only reference point I can give is in Midnight Express when Billy gets banished to the mental ward where everyone just walks in a circle - it's like those people. I wonder if Colin W. is one of the people I've seen...

    ‘I’ve stumbled upon two of these in person, one for Quds day it turned out and one which appeared to be for no particular discernable reason, and I can tell you that it is worse than you are probably even imagining.

    There are basically three groups in attendance…’

    I take it this is the best you can do for an argument in defense of Israel.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I take it this is the best you can do for an argument in defense of Israel.
     
    What? No, silly, my observations of the characters at Bay Area anti-Israel protests had nothing to do with defending Israel. In fact I didn't mention Israel, other than to note that it was the topic of the protests. Those observations were solely about degrading the freakish, buzzing, schizoid participants in those protests, such as, I presume, yourself.
  174. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    'The Khazar hypothesis was reasonable guess before we had genetic studies, which unequivocally show what I just said.'

    The only one referring to the Khazar hypothesis is you.

    In pre-modern times, Palestine could have supported no more than a few hundred thousand people; look up its estimated populations under the Mamluks and Ottomans.

    Moreover, there's no reason to think the entire population -- or even much if it at all -- left Palestine. This leaves aside the detail that at no point was everyone in Palestine Jewish.

    Yet the Roman Empire seems to have had a population of two million Jews. Moreover, the names on graves imply that in each successive generation, about half were new converts.

    Very few of today's Jews could be descended from inhabitants of Biblical Palestine. Moreover, this is visually immediately apparent. A Polsh Jew doesn't look in the least like a Yemeni Jew, who in turn doesn't look at all like a Tunisian Jew. Indeed (funnily enough) each tends to look remarkably like a Polish, Yemeni, or Tunisian gentile.

    Go figure. And that is just what genetic studies used to show, until 'researchers' with a Zionist agenda started cooking the books.

    I take issue.

    DNA tests – even of the scratch n spit homebrew types – are extraordinarily good and faithful at picking up ‘Jewish’ DNA, be it Ashkenazi or Sephardim. Reliably, the tests can distinguish those of Jewish descent even from those of very similar non Jewish East Mediterranean ancestry. This is due to extreme bottleneck founder effects.

    In fact, an inkling of ‘Jewish’ DNA is found in virtually every living Mexican, though certain other Latino populations score none.
    Undoubtedly this is due to an extreme founder effect, due to certain prolific early ‘converso’ Conquistadors. The tests are so good and sensitive that this signal is picked up despite enormous dilution and many hundreds of years since initial mixing event.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'I take issue...'

    No -- you didn't take issue. You failed to address a single one of my points.

  175. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Yes, Semites are people who originally spoke languages that were in the Semitic family, the vast majority of whom were and are not Jews, although Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews are certainly Semites, the Ashkenazim sort-of.

    But Arabs are the vast majority of Semites today, most of whom are Muslims, though not all Muslims are Semites of course.

    The point is , Semite is not a synonym for Jew and the term "antisemitism" as a reference for anti-Jewishness is ludicrous and must be opposed.

    For reals. Also Arachnophobia means a fear of spiders, but technically tics and other animals are arachnids. So let’s aspie out about how we really need to invent a different word to describe fear of spiders and start a campaign to get everyone to use the new word. Or we could just accept that we have a useful decriptive term with an accepted definition and move on.

  176. @Colin Wright
    '...They are about 40% Levantine 50% Italian/South French 10% north euro...'

    It's improbable the Levantine Proportion could be that high -- I'd guess a few percent at most. See Shlomo Sand.

    Shlomo Sand

    It’s great that for the latest modern population genetics analysis you turn to a washed up Marxist film critic.

  177. @Redneck farmer
    They would pick up a Tavor or M16.

    Whatever happened to the Steyr Aug? The Tavor is a bad copy.

  178. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    If Colin wants to spend his time yelling about Israeli humus outside the Rainbow Grocery that's his business. Most street protests just annoy people. Normal folks see that stuff and think, 'whatever side those losers are on, I'm on the other.'

    My questions to Colin were genuine, but the Palestine obsessives in the West are an odd and churlish bunch. I've known many Palestinians and Israelis, but with them you can at least have a reasonable discussion. The BDS types can't contain their rage long enough.

    They remind me of the people who used to go on about South Africa, without knowing any South Africans. Or white northerners who run down 'racist' southerners. The most hardcore Boers or segregationists invariably were much more at ease with blacks than unctuous, try-hard liberals.

    It's funny, because the Arab world is perceptibly more resigned to Israel's existence these days. They have their own problems.

    When you say “the Arab world,” what you are talking about is the American ZOG imposed dictators.

  179. @Ed
    They’re still a minority, an extremely tiny one. Blaming Jews for white or in particular WASP apathy, extreme altruism or self-flagellation over race seems absurd to me. It’s not the Jews fault that the Bushes of the country see nothing wrong with inviting the entire world while expanding mindless consumerism under the umbrella of democracy to the world.

    American whites post WW2 probably created and lived in the most affluent, secure time and place in human history. They decided to throw it all the way out of guilt over their good fortune. Jews can’t be blamed for that.

    American whites post WW2 probably created and lived in the most affluent, secure time and place in human history. They decided to throw it all the way out of guilt over their good fortune. Jews can’t be blamed for that.

    American Jews amounted to tiddlywinks and jokes back then. All the elites like FDR knew is to keep them out. WASPs guided America during and post WW2 but there was a slow going on WASP intelligence and testosterone collapse. Going on behind closed doors. Within their sons and daughters and heirs, where they gravitated to easy and silly type rescue careers and non- Civil dominance and engagement except in the arts.

  180. @Colin Wright
    'Better them than…some other kinds of immigrants.'

    You would appear to be unaware of the criminal tendencies of Israeli Jews. Ironically, they often prey on American Jews (who make the mistake of trusting them), but they go after gentiles as well.

    Think of them as Gypsies who know which fork to use. Then decide whether to be glad we can look collectively forward to six million in the next decade or two.

    I was referring to the custom of murdering people at Christkindlmärkte, Cercanías trains, and Eagles of Death Metal concerts.

    Hadn’t heard about the swindling tendencies of Israelis. I did have one give me a ridiculously unsubtle come-on at Webster Hall years ago, but I’d been warned that, possibly because of compulsory military service and the imminence of death, Israeli guys want everything yesterday. I wasn’t at all tempted and ditched him as soon as possible, but it wasn’t New Year’s Eve in Cologne. I never felt I was in any danger. He was just a jackass, and we have plenty of those born locally.

  181. @Colin Wright
    'You mean, colonizing the Slavic countries and enslaving the Slavs? Challenging Britain’s supremacy on the high seas? Euthanizing all retarded people? Recovering Alsace and Lorraine?'

    No, I mean a morbidly exaggerated racial nationalism based on an imagined history, coupled with a worship of violence, a contempt for law, a compulsion to wage aggressive war, and the practice of deliberate cruelty towards those unfortunate enough to fall under the 'Master Race''s power.

    Moreover, I have all too little doubt that should similar conditions of total war arise, Israel would carry out the same genocidal policy towards the Palestinians that the original Nazis carried out on the Jews. It's noticeable that Israel murders all she can get away with; every war she wages is accompanied by the gratuituous murder of civilians, often in considerable quantity. From Dier Yassin to Kfar Kassem to Sabra and Chantila to ' Cast Lead,' and all the lesser-known massacres in between, it's a constant motif in Israel's wars of aggression.

    So that's how I see the Zionists as akin to the Nazis.

    Since you ask.

    How much real love do you have for Palestinians? Have you talked to any? I have. It is easy for me to to see what they are for you. They are your hook for beating on Israeli Jews who are doing very well in repelling third world barbarism. 100 times better than paralyzed Euros in Germany and England.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...They are your hook for beating on Israeli Jews who are doing very well in repelling third world barbarism...'

    The difficulty here is that Israeli Jews tend to be rather revolting examples of 'third world barbarism' themselves. Should I post links to videos?
    , @Anon
    Colin cares soooooooo much for PaLie$tinian$ that he only wants them to receive 22 % of their native homeland. The other 78% of PaLie$tine is Jordan and off limits to the one and only true natives of PaLie$tine.

    Strange indeed that the one and only true natives so easily discard 78% of their true native homeland. And stranger still that their number 1 supporter mr Colin Wright , a man who attends protesrs and demonstrations in his spare time is also so willing to discard 78% of his heroes homeland. The mysterious ins and outs of cucking may never be properly explained to laymen.
    , @Anon

    They are your hook for beating on Israeli Jews who are doing very well in repelling third world barbarism. 100 times better than paralyzed Euros in Germany and England.
     
    Those paralyzed Euros in Germany and England being such due to Jewish political pressure and control. Imagine what Germany would be without the Central Council of Jews in Germany, the World Jewish Congress, or the various Rabbis putting pressure on them to stay suicidally progressive: all helped along by the Jewish media.

    Of course, the Fourth Reich is just around the corner to conclusively repel third world barbarism as soon as the Jewish Yoke is neutralized. You would not want that, and you won't be so cavalier should that come about. Your statement in regard to German and British weakness is only a taunt to throw off the Jewish yoke. Be careful what you wish for.
  182. @Anonymous
    Wait are the pretty girls giving dirty looks the Israeli female soldiers? That sentence is difficult to parse.

    They might be. Israeli men can pretty crude when they hit on you. It’s not date rape, but it is annoying.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Israeli women insult you and then seduce you. It's a weird place.
    , @Dmitry
    Israel is just a bit of a backward peasant culture. Dating there for secular people at least, is going to be less "chivalric" than in America or Russia.

    When cultured people began immigrating to Israel in the 1990s from places like Moscow and Petersburg, they were shocked by natives' low cultural level because in their imagination they associated Jews as highly cultured, but in Israel the population's behavior is like village people - and this is for both the white native Israelis and the brown ones.

    This peasant mentality manifested in many ways: when last year I was in Israel for my vacation, we were trying to park a car (in the carpark next to the old port of the North Tel Aviv), and everytime we queue for a parking space, some asshole other cars pushed in front of us. That's until we remembered we have to rudely push our car in front of them. For me this was entertaining - but obviously this is not suitable for a developed country.

    However, there is another side to their provincial mentality - if you ask the Israelis (who are not employees, because there is no "customer service") for help, they are unusually friendly and helpful.

    Also the unpretentious attitude of native Israelis is attractive to me. They are walking in the street wearing pajamas. People are not judging you by your clothes.

    More than half the population are ethnically like Arabs, and the mentality is more like rural than urban (even though they live in apartments) - but at the same time it is a highly feminist and liberal society. Gender roles are also different: half of the time it is men pushing the strollers and prams, and taking out the children (while the women are at work or something). So, just a very culturally unusual country in a lot of ways.

  183. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    If Colin wants to spend his time yelling about Israeli humus outside the Rainbow Grocery that's his business. Most street protests just annoy people. Normal folks see that stuff and think, 'whatever side those losers are on, I'm on the other.'

    My questions to Colin were genuine, but the Palestine obsessives in the West are an odd and churlish bunch. I've known many Palestinians and Israelis, but with them you can at least have a reasonable discussion. The BDS types can't contain their rage long enough.

    They remind me of the people who used to go on about South Africa, without knowing any South Africans. Or white northerners who run down 'racist' southerners. The most hardcore Boers or segregationists invariably were much more at ease with blacks than unctuous, try-hard liberals.

    It's funny, because the Arab world is perceptibly more resigned to Israel's existence these days. They have their own problems.

    Palestinian Christians sometimes sell things outside my church: creches made of olive wood from Bethlehem, etc. I got in a conversation with one about whether it was better if Muslims or Jews were in charge. Apparently, there wasn’t much difference, except that Jews occasionally ignored them, while Muslims would actively go after them whenever they got any real power.

    These are some of the oldest Christians in the world (obviously). There’s one Jewish state, a truckload of Muslim states, but where is there a Christian state? Do we count the Vatican?

    Making another Muslim state in the M.E. isn’t good for anybody’s safety.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Zambia and Angola.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Since the post is about demographics, it should be noted that Palestinian Christians have been almost completely driven out of Gaza, and the number of Christians in the West Bank has fallen precipitously, even with the Palestinian baby boom under the occupation which made them the fastest growing Arab population in the region.

    While once a comfortable majority in Bethlehem, Christians are now down to about 12%, numbering somewhere around 40,000. In Gaza, a small population has been reduced from about 5,000 when Hamas came to power to just over 1,000. The number of Christian Arabs in Israel is stable at around 130,000. The emigration of Christian Palestinians continues because they recognize that the Palestinian movement for self-determination has been taken over by radical Muslims. Hamas isn't even a Palestinian nationalist organization, they are simply a branch of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, dedicated to Islamist rule everywhere.

    If there's one group of non-Westerners who don't much like 0bama, it's Christians in the ME and Maghreb. To many he is the godfather of ISIS, and Erdogan and Hillary are its father and mother. They are also skeptical of his Christianity, given his apparent indifference to mass beheadings of Christians, persecution of Copts and the continuing eradication of the ancient Christian communities in the ME.

    There are ~50 Muslims countries and the phrase 'Muslim world' is used without irony (Muslims do not differentiate, to be sure). What happened to Christendom? We are at the point that if anyone refers to France or England or Italy as Christian nations, it provokes an explosion of point-and-splutter. It's almost unbelievable. This is what Houellebecq is getting at in Submission; humans abhor a spiritual vacuum.

    As a child I stayed at a convent in Bethlehem on a school trip. The nuns were so gentle and kind, but so were the regular churchgoers and even the shopkeepers and other locals. They were proud to see tourists experiencing Bethlehem for the first time, and not at all cynical about the emotional response many pilgrims have. Sometimes I wonder how many of those people are even still there.
  184. @Colin Wright
    I remember when Yishai, the Tunisian Jewish Minister of the Interior, announced that 'Israel is for the white man' -- by which he meant not for Arabs.

    I took one look at his picture and went hunting through Google photos of Tunisians.

    ...and sure enough. I found his long-lost gentile twin brother.

    If it all weren't so vicious it'd be comic.

    Apparently, Palestinians and Israeli Jews frequently make genetic matches for transplants. They are mutually horrified, but I don’t see why: they both accept that the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael would be cousins.

  185. @Corn
    Someone correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t Russian immigration moved Israel rightward too? Sort of the opposite of America.

    wait, I know tons of Russian/Slavic immigrants and they’re all right-wing Christians.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Russian Jews and Russian Christians (Slavs) are not remotely linked in ethnicity and thus not in politics.

    In fact, the two groups have been in a notorious death struggle for some time. These groups hate one another. The disdain has a strong racial as well as ethnic component.

    Right Wing Jewish ethnonationalism is not a phenomenon of Russia but is strong throughout the Jewish diaspora. Whether or not those Jews push progressivism for the out-group tends to be generational as well as cultural (ie: are they first generation immigrants, do they associate with Orthodox Jews in their Brooklyn enclaves, etc).

    Russian Jewish immigration to the United States has always been heavy compared to their relatively low population numbers in Eurasia.

    Russian Chrisian / Slav immigration has been notoriously light in ratio to their actual numbers. There are 300 million Orthodox Christians in Eurasia, but only about 1 million in the United States and the plurality of those are Greek and not Slav. That discrepancy points to a conscious effort to restrict the immigration of that particular ethnicity. If I had to guess, such discrimination would be at the behest of their Jewish long-time competitors who have been noticeably preferred in immigration even with the Russian Mob crime that they inevitably bring.

  186. @Colin Wright
    I remember when Yishai, the Tunisian Jewish Minister of the Interior, announced that 'Israel is for the white man' -- by which he meant not for Arabs.

    I took one look at his picture and went hunting through Google photos of Tunisians.

    ...and sure enough. I found his long-lost gentile twin brother.

    If it all weren't so vicious it'd be comic.

    Yishai is pretty pale. He was opposed to immigration of Eritreans, who are pretty black.

    Honestly, a lot of what goes on here regarding Israel looks like jealousy translated into sour grapes and worse.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Yishai is pretty pale. He was opposed to immigration of Eritreans, who are pretty black...'

    He may well be opposed to the immigration of Eritreans. However, in the remark I quoted he was referring to Arabs.
  187. @Anon 2
    Re: Israeli Prime Ministers came from the former Polish-Lithuanian
    Commonwealth

    Let’s recall that the Pale of Settlement was the area to which the Jews were
    confined as they were forbidden from settling in Russia (Moscow, SPB, etc)
    until the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. The Pale was roughly coincident with
    the Polish-Lithuanian Republic (Commonwealth) - a vast territory comprised
    of central Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and western Ukraine - which fell under
    Russian control after Poland’s Partitions in the late 1700s. Both Ben-Gurion
    and Netanyahu’s father (named Mileikowski) were born in Warsaw. That’s
    where the vast majority of the world’s Ashkenazi Jews lived. Most of the
    American Jews and Israeli Jews are ultimately descended from the Polish-
    Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    Poland in the 1930s was a smaller version of the Commonwealth - it still
    contained big chunks of Lithuania, Belarus, and western Ukraine, and was
    10% Jewish and 15% Ukrainian in terms of the population. By contrast,
    in the 1930s both Germany and the Soviet Union had minuscule numbers
    of Jews, both under 1%.

    What’s interesting is that Israel on February 18-19 will host a meeting of the
    prime ministers of the Visegrad 4 (Poland, Hungary, Czechia, and Slovakia).
    Combined with the polls indicating that about 60% Israelis see no future
    in Israel and want to emigrate (primarily to the US of course), I wonder if
    this is a harbinger of more Jews wanting to return to Central Europe?
    Already many of them are moving to Germany, and there are long lines
    at the Polish embassy in Israel of Jews applying for Polish passports.
    Along with the 2-3 million Ukrainians and Belarusians who are now
    working, studying, and marrying ( many Polish men are marrying Ukrainian
    girls) in Poland, it seems like we are witnessing the rebirth of the Polish-
    Lithuanian Commonwealth. Was Pilsudski prophetic with his idea of
    the Intermarium?

    60%? Where do get this stuff?

    Israelis apply for European passports for one reason: To make travel to and around the EU easier.

    By the way, Ben Gurion wasn’t born in Warsaw.

  188. @Anonymous
    The U.S. has given upwards of $120 billion to Israel in the past 70 years. Germany almost the same. Swiss banks and companies (Volkswagen, Deutsche Bank, Siemens, et al.) have had to give billions of dollars in reparations. The U.S. State Department has overseen reparations from France and French rail companies to Israel and individual Jews in Israel.

    Meanwhile, peoples who are indigenous to the Middle East (unlike Askenazi) have been slaughtered by the millions, enslaved, displaced, robbed of their property because of European Jews. Do you think they will ever see any redress in this life?

    “Slaughtered by the millions.” That’s a new one. Even nakba fetishists quote figures in the hundres of thousands.

    Also Muslim Arabs are not indigenous to the levant. Look up the Arab conquest of Byzantium amd Persia. But you probably knew that already.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...Also Muslim Arabs are not indigenous to the levant. Look up the Arab conquest of Byzantium amd Persia. But you probably knew that already.'

    You're only demonsttating either your ignorance or your dishonesty.
  189. @Anon 2
    You’re forgetting that in the 1950s-‘60s the Jews from Poland often brought their Polish
    wives (and sometimes the wife’s relatives) to Israel, and starting in the 1970s-‘80s
    the same process was repeated with the Russian wives, etc of the Russian Jews.
    Hence the Israeli population today is partly Slavic. When Israel was formed, Polish
    was one of the official languages at the Knesset since Ben-Gurion and many other
    politicians were from Poland, and in those days hardly anybody was fluent in
    Hebrew.

    Do you just make this stuff up? The “Knesset” has no official languages and Polish never had any official status there, or in Israel at all. Ben Gurion was born in the Russian Empire and left young, decades before Poland even existed. He probably spoke Polish, but it wasn’t his mother tongue at all. Most Israelis were fluent in Hebrew decades before Israel even existed.

  190. @would smashionalist
    You want gentiles to study the talmud? Doing so is a crime punishable by death, according to that very same talmud. But even if it wasn't, no thanks; it's not as much fun for us as it is for you to read of how we gentiles are subhumans put on earth solely to serve your race. Might even inspire anti-semitism in some on the fringe.

    I see you’re a big expert in the Talmud. Can you answer a few questions?

    -How many Talmuds are there?

    -What are they called?

    -What language are they written in?

    -Can you read that language?

    -Which is usually just called “the Talmud”?

    -How many volumes does it usually fill?

    -How many pages in those volumes total?

    =Have you ever seen a physical set?

    -Have you ever cracked one open?

    =Have you read it, plus all the thousands of volumes of commentaries, in their entirety?

    Just wondering.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    These are, I must admit, good questions. I have seen a set and looked inside, but have not studied it to any extent.

    The Lisp Machine environment is often compared to it in its recursiveness, though.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12USa3gU_oU
  191. @Anonymous
    I take issue.

    DNA tests - even of the scratch n spit homebrew types - are extraordinarily good and faithful at picking up 'Jewish' DNA, be it Ashkenazi or Sephardim. Reliably, the tests can distinguish those of Jewish descent even from those of very similar non Jewish East Mediterranean ancestry. This is due to extreme bottleneck founder effects.

    In fact, an inkling of 'Jewish' DNA is found in virtually every living Mexican, though certain other Latino populations score none.
    Undoubtedly this is due to an extreme founder effect, due to certain prolific early 'converso' Conquistadors. The tests are so good and sensitive that this signal is picked up despite enormous dilution and many hundreds of years since initial mixing event.

    ‘I take issue…’

    No — you didn’t take issue. You failed to address a single one of my points.

  192. @Clyde
    How much real love do you have for Palestinians? Have you talked to any? I have. It is easy for me to to see what they are for you. They are your hook for beating on Israeli Jews who are doing very well in repelling third world barbarism. 100 times better than paralyzed Euros in Germany and England.

    ‘…They are your hook for beating on Israeli Jews who are doing very well in repelling third world barbarism…’

    The difficulty here is that Israeli Jews tend to be rather revolting examples of ‘third world barbarism’ themselves. Should I post links to videos?

  193. @Rosamond Vincy
    Palestinian Christians sometimes sell things outside my church: creches made of olive wood from Bethlehem, etc. I got in a conversation with one about whether it was better if Muslims or Jews were in charge. Apparently, there wasn't much difference, except that Jews occasionally ignored them, while Muslims would actively go after them whenever they got any real power.

    These are some of the oldest Christians in the world (obviously). There's one Jewish state, a truckload of Muslim states, but where is there a Christian state? Do we count the Vatican?

    Making another Muslim state in the M.E. isn't good for anybody's safety.

    Zambia and Angola.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Learned something new. Very glad, because parts of what used to be Christendom have become very secular, especially France. Italy and Spain pay lip-service.
  194. Anon[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    How much real love do you have for Palestinians? Have you talked to any? I have. It is easy for me to to see what they are for you. They are your hook for beating on Israeli Jews who are doing very well in repelling third world barbarism. 100 times better than paralyzed Euros in Germany and England.

    Colin cares soooooooo much for PaLie$tinian$ that he only wants them to receive 22 % of their native homeland. The other 78% of PaLie$tine is Jordan and off limits to the one and only true natives of PaLie$tine.

    Strange indeed that the one and only true natives so easily discard 78% of their true native homeland. And stranger still that their number 1 supporter mr Colin Wright , a man who attends protesrs and demonstrations in his spare time is also so willing to discard 78% of his heroes homeland. The mysterious ins and outs of cucking may never be properly explained to laymen.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Cucking and pre submitting to degenerate Allah being the key words. Minds are infiltrated before they go dark and stupid and cave in. Never cave in. Keep the faith. Never cave in. Sorry to quote Jesse Jackson.
  195. @Rosamond Vincy
    Palestinian Christians sometimes sell things outside my church: creches made of olive wood from Bethlehem, etc. I got in a conversation with one about whether it was better if Muslims or Jews were in charge. Apparently, there wasn't much difference, except that Jews occasionally ignored them, while Muslims would actively go after them whenever they got any real power.

    These are some of the oldest Christians in the world (obviously). There's one Jewish state, a truckload of Muslim states, but where is there a Christian state? Do we count the Vatican?

    Making another Muslim state in the M.E. isn't good for anybody's safety.

    Since the post is about demographics, it should be noted that Palestinian Christians have been almost completely driven out of Gaza, and the number of Christians in the West Bank has fallen precipitously, even with the Palestinian baby boom under the occupation which made them the fastest growing Arab population in the region.

    While once a comfortable majority in Bethlehem, Christians are now down to about 12%, numbering somewhere around 40,000. In Gaza, a small population has been reduced from about 5,000 when Hamas came to power to just over 1,000. The number of Christian Arabs in Israel is stable at around 130,000. The emigration of Christian Palestinians continues because they recognize that the Palestinian movement for self-determination has been taken over by radical Muslims. Hamas isn’t even a Palestinian nationalist organization, they are simply a branch of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, dedicated to Islamist rule everywhere.

    If there’s one group of non-Westerners who don’t much like 0bama, it’s Christians in the ME and Maghreb. To many he is the godfather of ISIS, and Erdogan and Hillary are its father and mother. They are also skeptical of his Christianity, given his apparent indifference to mass beheadings of Christians, persecution of Copts and the continuing eradication of the ancient Christian communities in the ME.

    There are ~50 Muslims countries and the phrase ‘Muslim world’ is used without irony (Muslims do not differentiate, to be sure). What happened to Christendom? We are at the point that if anyone refers to France or England or Italy as Christian nations, it provokes an explosion of point-and-splutter. It’s almost unbelievable. This is what Houellebecq is getting at in Submission; humans abhor a spiritual vacuum.

    As a child I stayed at a convent in Bethlehem on a school trip. The nuns were so gentle and kind, but so were the regular churchgoers and even the shopkeepers and other locals. They were proud to see tourists experiencing Bethlehem for the first time, and not at all cynical about the emotional response many pilgrims have. Sometimes I wonder how many of those people are even still there.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    If the Islamists take over altogether, I wonder if places like the Church of the Nativity or the area on the Jordan associated with John the Baptist will be safe. These folks not only destroyed Buddhist statues and threatened the pyramids and Sphinx because they weren't Islamic; they also blew up Jonah's tomb (a prophet recognizd by Muslims) and some recommended blowing up Mecca. Even their own Holy Sites aren't safe from extremists who consider them "idolatrous."
    , @Hail

    Palestinian Christians have been almost completely driven out of Gaza, and the number of Christians in the West Bank has fallen precipitously
     

    While once a comfortable majority in Bethlehem, Christians are now down to about 12%
     
    How much of this is fertility difference and how much typical-Muslim political intimidation?
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    I'm mostly amazed that your nuns were gentle and kind! Guess they have a different training system from parochial schools, although at least Sister Mary Whack-a-yardstick's pupils got a proper education, which is more than anyone has been able to claim about the public schools for some time.
  196. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist
    wait, I know tons of Russian/Slavic immigrants and they're all right-wing Christians.

    Russian Jews and Russian Christians (Slavs) are not remotely linked in ethnicity and thus not in politics.

    In fact, the two groups have been in a notorious death struggle for some time. These groups hate one another. The disdain has a strong racial as well as ethnic component.

    Right Wing Jewish ethnonationalism is not a phenomenon of Russia but is strong throughout the Jewish diaspora. Whether or not those Jews push progressivism for the out-group tends to be generational as well as cultural (ie: are they first generation immigrants, do they associate with Orthodox Jews in their Brooklyn enclaves, etc).

    Russian Jewish immigration to the United States has always been heavy compared to their relatively low population numbers in Eurasia.

    Russian Chrisian / Slav immigration has been notoriously light in ratio to their actual numbers. There are 300 million Orthodox Christians in Eurasia, but only about 1 million in the United States and the plurality of those are Greek and not Slav. That discrepancy points to a conscious effort to restrict the immigration of that particular ethnicity. If I had to guess, such discrimination would be at the behest of their Jewish long-time competitors who have been noticeably preferred in immigration even with the Russian Mob crime that they inevitably bring.

  197. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    How much real love do you have for Palestinians? Have you talked to any? I have. It is easy for me to to see what they are for you. They are your hook for beating on Israeli Jews who are doing very well in repelling third world barbarism. 100 times better than paralyzed Euros in Germany and England.

    They are your hook for beating on Israeli Jews who are doing very well in repelling third world barbarism. 100 times better than paralyzed Euros in Germany and England.

    Those paralyzed Euros in Germany and England being such due to Jewish political pressure and control. Imagine what Germany would be without the Central Council of Jews in Germany, the World Jewish Congress, or the various Rabbis putting pressure on them to stay suicidally progressive: all helped along by the Jewish media.

    Of course, the Fourth Reich is just around the corner to conclusively repel third world barbarism as soon as the Jewish Yoke is neutralized. You would not want that, and you won’t be so cavalier should that come about. Your statement in regard to German and British weakness is only a taunt to throw off the Jewish yoke. Be careful what you wish for.

  198. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Since the post is about demographics, it should be noted that Palestinian Christians have been almost completely driven out of Gaza, and the number of Christians in the West Bank has fallen precipitously, even with the Palestinian baby boom under the occupation which made them the fastest growing Arab population in the region.

    While once a comfortable majority in Bethlehem, Christians are now down to about 12%, numbering somewhere around 40,000. In Gaza, a small population has been reduced from about 5,000 when Hamas came to power to just over 1,000. The number of Christian Arabs in Israel is stable at around 130,000. The emigration of Christian Palestinians continues because they recognize that the Palestinian movement for self-determination has been taken over by radical Muslims. Hamas isn't even a Palestinian nationalist organization, they are simply a branch of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, dedicated to Islamist rule everywhere.

    If there's one group of non-Westerners who don't much like 0bama, it's Christians in the ME and Maghreb. To many he is the godfather of ISIS, and Erdogan and Hillary are its father and mother. They are also skeptical of his Christianity, given his apparent indifference to mass beheadings of Christians, persecution of Copts and the continuing eradication of the ancient Christian communities in the ME.

    There are ~50 Muslims countries and the phrase 'Muslim world' is used without irony (Muslims do not differentiate, to be sure). What happened to Christendom? We are at the point that if anyone refers to France or England or Italy as Christian nations, it provokes an explosion of point-and-splutter. It's almost unbelievable. This is what Houellebecq is getting at in Submission; humans abhor a spiritual vacuum.

    As a child I stayed at a convent in Bethlehem on a school trip. The nuns were so gentle and kind, but so were the regular churchgoers and even the shopkeepers and other locals. They were proud to see tourists experiencing Bethlehem for the first time, and not at all cynical about the emotional response many pilgrims have. Sometimes I wonder how many of those people are even still there.

    If the Islamists take over altogether, I wonder if places like the Church of the Nativity or the area on the Jordan associated with John the Baptist will be safe. These folks not only destroyed Buddhist statues and threatened the pyramids and Sphinx because they weren’t Islamic; they also blew up Jonah’s tomb (a prophet recognizd by Muslims) and some recommended blowing up Mecca. Even their own Holy Sites aren’t safe from extremists who consider them “idolatrous.”

  199. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Since the post is about demographics, it should be noted that Palestinian Christians have been almost completely driven out of Gaza, and the number of Christians in the West Bank has fallen precipitously, even with the Palestinian baby boom under the occupation which made them the fastest growing Arab population in the region.

    While once a comfortable majority in Bethlehem, Christians are now down to about 12%, numbering somewhere around 40,000. In Gaza, a small population has been reduced from about 5,000 when Hamas came to power to just over 1,000. The number of Christian Arabs in Israel is stable at around 130,000. The emigration of Christian Palestinians continues because they recognize that the Palestinian movement for self-determination has been taken over by radical Muslims. Hamas isn't even a Palestinian nationalist organization, they are simply a branch of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, dedicated to Islamist rule everywhere.

    If there's one group of non-Westerners who don't much like 0bama, it's Christians in the ME and Maghreb. To many he is the godfather of ISIS, and Erdogan and Hillary are its father and mother. They are also skeptical of his Christianity, given his apparent indifference to mass beheadings of Christians, persecution of Copts and the continuing eradication of the ancient Christian communities in the ME.

    There are ~50 Muslims countries and the phrase 'Muslim world' is used without irony (Muslims do not differentiate, to be sure). What happened to Christendom? We are at the point that if anyone refers to France or England or Italy as Christian nations, it provokes an explosion of point-and-splutter. It's almost unbelievable. This is what Houellebecq is getting at in Submission; humans abhor a spiritual vacuum.

    As a child I stayed at a convent in Bethlehem on a school trip. The nuns were so gentle and kind, but so were the regular churchgoers and even the shopkeepers and other locals. They were proud to see tourists experiencing Bethlehem for the first time, and not at all cynical about the emotional response many pilgrims have. Sometimes I wonder how many of those people are even still there.

    Palestinian Christians have been almost completely driven out of Gaza, and the number of Christians in the West Bank has fallen precipitously

    While once a comfortable majority in Bethlehem, Christians are now down to about 12%

    How much of this is fertility difference and how much typical-Muslim political intimidation?

  200. @Colin Wright
    '...Israel is one of only a few countries in the world with a mandatory military service requirement for women.[1][2][3]

    via wikipedia.'

    Colloquially, the better looking female draftees are known as 'company mattresses.' The real honeys, of course, are for the commander only.

    I doubt you have any idea what you are talking about, but you get to something – there is something of the 70s as regards sex in Israel.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/dating-apps-are-full-of-woke-profiles-no-wonder-were-no-longer-having-sex/

  201. @Rosamond Vincy
    They might be. Israeli men can pretty crude when they hit on you. It's not date rape, but it is annoying.

    Israeli women insult you and then seduce you. It’s a weird place.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Didn't know the women did it too. The guy at Webster was basically thrusting his pelvis at me on the dance floor to the point that I had to back away repeatedly to avoid a stress fracture. What do the women do? Are we talking Beatrice-&-Benedict/Lizzie Bennett l-&-Darcy/Hollywood screwball comedy verbal sparring as courtship dance, or just plain unwitty rudeness?
  202. @Tyrion 2
    Israeli women insult you and then seduce you. It's a weird place.

    Didn’t know the women did it too. The guy at Webster was basically thrusting his pelvis at me on the dance floor to the point that I had to back away repeatedly to avoid a stress fracture. What do the women do? Are we talking Beatrice-&-Benedict/Lizzie Bennett l-&-Darcy/Hollywood screwball comedy verbal sparring as courtship dance, or just plain unwitty rudeness?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    One called me across the room and asked me how much my jacket cost. She then old me I had paid too much and bought me a drink and etc later. She was a hard 8 and I was of student age. Somehow I found the strength to pretend this type of stuff happened to me all of the time.

    Later, when she found out I was travelling to the West Bank, she told me I'd be stolen from and not to trust anyone. She then informed me that she couldn't be racist because all of her family were Mizrahi and so she was an Arab too. I believe she was a Yisrael Beitenu supporter. That'd make her hard right in Western terms.

    I also told some Israeli blokes about the first paragraph. They did not find it bizarre. Indeed, she was intelligent and seemingly very emotionally stable. I don't judge. She seemed fine and I like to think the flattering thought that there was something special about me, though I'm not deludedly committed to that thought!
  203. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Since the post is about demographics, it should be noted that Palestinian Christians have been almost completely driven out of Gaza, and the number of Christians in the West Bank has fallen precipitously, even with the Palestinian baby boom under the occupation which made them the fastest growing Arab population in the region.

    While once a comfortable majority in Bethlehem, Christians are now down to about 12%, numbering somewhere around 40,000. In Gaza, a small population has been reduced from about 5,000 when Hamas came to power to just over 1,000. The number of Christian Arabs in Israel is stable at around 130,000. The emigration of Christian Palestinians continues because they recognize that the Palestinian movement for self-determination has been taken over by radical Muslims. Hamas isn't even a Palestinian nationalist organization, they are simply a branch of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, dedicated to Islamist rule everywhere.

    If there's one group of non-Westerners who don't much like 0bama, it's Christians in the ME and Maghreb. To many he is the godfather of ISIS, and Erdogan and Hillary are its father and mother. They are also skeptical of his Christianity, given his apparent indifference to mass beheadings of Christians, persecution of Copts and the continuing eradication of the ancient Christian communities in the ME.

    There are ~50 Muslims countries and the phrase 'Muslim world' is used without irony (Muslims do not differentiate, to be sure). What happened to Christendom? We are at the point that if anyone refers to France or England or Italy as Christian nations, it provokes an explosion of point-and-splutter. It's almost unbelievable. This is what Houellebecq is getting at in Submission; humans abhor a spiritual vacuum.

    As a child I stayed at a convent in Bethlehem on a school trip. The nuns were so gentle and kind, but so were the regular churchgoers and even the shopkeepers and other locals. They were proud to see tourists experiencing Bethlehem for the first time, and not at all cynical about the emotional response many pilgrims have. Sometimes I wonder how many of those people are even still there.

    I’m mostly amazed that your nuns were gentle and kind! Guess they have a different training system from parochial schools, although at least Sister Mary Whack-a-yardstick’s pupils got a proper education, which is more than anyone has been able to claim about the public schools for some time.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'I’m mostly amazed that your nuns were gentle and kind!'

    Not that they couldn't be, but his nuns didn't exist. It's Zionist propaganda.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    They were French, and I think they liked that a few of us kids spoke some French. Also my school probably made a good-sized 'donation' for putting us up. But they were delightful.

    I went to Blessed Sacrament in Chevy Chase for grades 4-5, and the staff there were...not as delightful.

    , @Bubba
    Totally agree.
  204. @Rosamond Vincy
    Didn't know the women did it too. The guy at Webster was basically thrusting his pelvis at me on the dance floor to the point that I had to back away repeatedly to avoid a stress fracture. What do the women do? Are we talking Beatrice-&-Benedict/Lizzie Bennett l-&-Darcy/Hollywood screwball comedy verbal sparring as courtship dance, or just plain unwitty rudeness?

    One called me across the room and asked me how much my jacket cost. She then old me I had paid too much and bought me a drink and etc later. She was a hard 8 and I was of student age. Somehow I found the strength to pretend this type of stuff happened to me all of the time.

    Later, when she found out I was travelling to the West Bank, she told me I’d be stolen from and not to trust anyone. She then informed me that she couldn’t be racist because all of her family were Mizrahi and so she was an Arab too. I believe she was a Yisrael Beitenu supporter. That’d make her hard right in Western terms.

    I also told some Israeli blokes about the first paragraph. They did not find it bizarre. Indeed, she was intelligent and seemingly very emotionally stable. I don’t judge. She seemed fine and I like to think the flattering thought that there was something special about me, though I’m not deludedly committed to that thought!

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Your eyes met across a crowded room. You can look up the Richard Thompson tunes if you are so inclined.
    , @Dmitry

    how much my jacket cost

     

    Even bourgeois young Israelis are not usually wearing expensive clothes labels. It's mostly just clothes from their own native labels or H&M and Zara, in the provincial shopping malls.

    If you go in the evening in Dizengoff Street, you can know the groups rich hipster tourists from Moscow or New York, from the other side of the street - because you suddenly see they're wearing expensive, fashionable clothes.

    Russian hipster tourists who just go there for a weekend, appear suddenly obviously tourists, as the expensively dressing people there.

    Young Israelis - just wearing ordinary Castro, H&M and Zara clothes from the shopping mall. They are a lot less pretentious.

  205. @Jack D
    Some people REALLY can't take a joke.

    “Some people REALLY can’t take a joke.”

    To be honest, as jokes go, I’ve heard better. But coming from you, at least it sounded sincere. If you want real comedy, maybe it’s safer to stick to the classics, so I’ve dug up one for you. Note how the views endorsed in the ditty below seem to remind me of some similar comments I’ve read in these threads of late, but I’m struggling to remember who might have written them. Maybe you can help me with that?

    According to a famous Yiddish ditty the Gentile is, to his very core, an alcoholic. By contrast, in the tune’s alternating refrain we “learn” that the Jew is, by definition, genetically sober, studious, and pious:

    Shiker iz der Goy (the Goy is drunk)

    Shikker iz er (a drunk is he)

    Trinken miz er (he must drink)

    Vayl er iz a goy (because he’s a Goy)

    Nikhter iz der Yid (the Jew is sober)

    Nikhter iz er (sober is he)

    Lernen (in some versions, Davenen) miz er (he must learn, or pray)

    Vayl er iz a Yid (because he is a Jew)

    “Shikker iz der Goy” is one of the most popular and least charitable Jewish folk songs of all time…

    That’s a real howler, right? And catchy, too: “The Goy is drunk, a drunk is he, he must drink, because he’s a Goy” It just rolls off the tongue. It’s like something right out of the movie Borat except that we both know that if Sacha Baron Cohen had included it in his film, he would have changed the point of view around about, say, 180 degrees. But all in the interest of comedy, of course.

    The book that is the subject of the above review purportedly does a good job of dismantling both the myth that Jews are not susceptible to drunkenness (evidently, they are indeed susceptible), and the counter-prevailing antisemitic myth that Jews use their alleged superpowers of temperance to drown the gentiles in a lake of Jewish-owned liquor. (Recall that “The Jews [of Russia] were engaged principally in petty trading, as middlemen, or holding various rights leased to them by the landowners, such as milling, fish ponds, and orchards; most of them however, earned their livelihood by the sale of liquor.)

    Now, there is of course a third possibility: that many Jews throughout history have been BOTH prone to alcoholism AND ALSO eager to ply gentiles with alcohol to their detriment, a practice that could then be rationalized by repeatedly emphasizing to themselves and everyone else that the goyim are worthless and lazy and prone to drink anyway (again, does anyone else you know of who posts here have a tendency to offer similar observations repeatedly?) so why not let them at least indulge themselves in such a way to put a few kopeks in a Jew’s pocket? Or something like that.

    That mindset is not quite up there with the more sophisticated game that the Sackler brothers have played with oxy in recent years, but in reading the above, I get the sense that the latter were clearly building on a longstanding tradition.

    Anyway, the book apparently doesn’t explore that third possibility much — I wonder why that is?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2

    repeatedly emphasizing everyone else that the goyim are worthless and lazy and prone to drink anyway
     
    A few jokes about your typical Eastern Europeans being drunks in Yiddish are not exactly the most effective way to emphasize anything at all...
  206. @Rosamond Vincy
    I'm mostly amazed that your nuns were gentle and kind! Guess they have a different training system from parochial schools, although at least Sister Mary Whack-a-yardstick's pupils got a proper education, which is more than anyone has been able to claim about the public schools for some time.

    ‘I’m mostly amazed that your nuns were gentle and kind!’

    Not that they couldn’t be, but his nuns didn’t exist. It’s Zionist propaganda.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Takkiyah level _____2.5/10
    Verdict______try harder
  207. The gentle hand of Zionists as applied to Christians.

  208. @Colin Wright
    'I’m mostly amazed that your nuns were gentle and kind!'

    Not that they couldn't be, but his nuns didn't exist. It's Zionist propaganda.

    Takkiyah level _____2.5/10
    Verdict______try harder

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  209. @Anon
    Colin cares soooooooo much for PaLie$tinian$ that he only wants them to receive 22 % of their native homeland. The other 78% of PaLie$tine is Jordan and off limits to the one and only true natives of PaLie$tine.

    Strange indeed that the one and only true natives so easily discard 78% of their true native homeland. And stranger still that their number 1 supporter mr Colin Wright , a man who attends protesrs and demonstrations in his spare time is also so willing to discard 78% of his heroes homeland. The mysterious ins and outs of cucking may never be properly explained to laymen.

    Cucking and pre submitting to degenerate Allah being the key words. Minds are infiltrated before they go dark and stupid and cave in. Never cave in. Keep the faith. Never cave in. Sorry to quote Jesse Jackson.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Do you think that colon is actually a white misfit cucking for Islam as he purports to be or just a Muslim pretending not to be a Muslim for takkiyah purposes ?

    I remember his purported back story , but no one , not even Colon is stupid enough to reveal true details of their life here.
  210. @Rosamond Vincy
    I'm mostly amazed that your nuns were gentle and kind! Guess they have a different training system from parochial schools, although at least Sister Mary Whack-a-yardstick's pupils got a proper education, which is more than anyone has been able to claim about the public schools for some time.

    They were French, and I think they liked that a few of us kids spoke some French. Also my school probably made a good-sized ‘donation’ for putting us up. But they were delightful.

    I went to Blessed Sacrament in Chevy Chase for grades 4-5, and the staff there were…not as delightful.

  211. @Tyrion 2
    One called me across the room and asked me how much my jacket cost. She then old me I had paid too much and bought me a drink and etc later. She was a hard 8 and I was of student age. Somehow I found the strength to pretend this type of stuff happened to me all of the time.

    Later, when she found out I was travelling to the West Bank, she told me I'd be stolen from and not to trust anyone. She then informed me that she couldn't be racist because all of her family were Mizrahi and so she was an Arab too. I believe she was a Yisrael Beitenu supporter. That'd make her hard right in Western terms.

    I also told some Israeli blokes about the first paragraph. They did not find it bizarre. Indeed, she was intelligent and seemingly very emotionally stable. I don't judge. She seemed fine and I like to think the flattering thought that there was something special about me, though I'm not deludedly committed to that thought!

    Your eyes met across a crowded room. You can look up the Richard Thompson tunes if you are so inclined.

  212. @Nachum
    I see you're a big expert in the Talmud. Can you answer a few questions?

    -How many Talmuds are there?

    -What are they called?

    -What language are they written in?

    -Can you read that language?

    -Which is usually just called "the Talmud"?

    -How many volumes does it usually fill?

    -How many pages in those volumes total?

    =Have you ever seen a physical set?

    -Have you ever cracked one open?

    =Have you read it, plus all the thousands of volumes of commentaries, in their entirety?

    Just wondering.

    These are, I must admit, good questions. I have seen a set and looked inside, but have not studied it to any extent.

    The Lisp Machine environment is often compared to it in its recursiveness, though.

  213. There is no reason the United States of America cannot have a demographic miracle. Libtards are not reproducing. American patriots are reproducing.

    All we need is an immigration moratorium and the rest will sort itself out.

  214. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    'I’ve stumbled upon two of these in person, one for Quds day it turned out and one which appeared to be for no particular discernable reason, and I can tell you that it is worse than you are probably even imagining.

    There are basically three groups in attendance...'

    I take it this is the best you can do for an argument in defense of Israel.

    I take it this is the best you can do for an argument in defense of Israel.

    What? No, silly, my observations of the characters at Bay Area anti-Israel protests had nothing to do with defending Israel. In fact I didn’t mention Israel, other than to note that it was the topic of the protests. Those observations were solely about degrading the freakish, buzzing, schizoid participants in those protests, such as, I presume, yourself.

  215. Anon[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    Cucking and pre submitting to degenerate Allah being the key words. Minds are infiltrated before they go dark and stupid and cave in. Never cave in. Keep the faith. Never cave in. Sorry to quote Jesse Jackson.

    Do you think that colon is actually a white misfit cucking for Islam as he purports to be or just a Muslim pretending not to be a Muslim for takkiyah purposes ?

    I remember his purported back story , but no one , not even Colon is stupid enough to reveal true details of their life here.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Do you think that colon is actually a white misfit cucking for Islam as he purports to be or just a Muslim pretending not to be a Muslim for takkiyah purposes ?

    I remember his purported back story , but no one , not even Colon is stupid enough to reveal true details of their life here.'

    Aren't Zionists clever? Colin/Colon: that's pretty clever.

  216. Israel’s leaders and rabbis tell its people to have more children.

    In the rest of the developed world, we have been told for at least 50 years to have fewer children, because of overpopulation.

  217. Genocide is not a miracle.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Genocide james errrr Jamil ?
    Nigerian ongoing occupation and genocide of Biafra 2 million+ killed
    Sudanese ongoing occupation and genocide of Darfur 700,000+ killed
    Indonesia ongoing occupation and genocide of West Papua 500,000 + killed
    Alawite ongoing occupation and genocide in Syria 500,000+ killed
    Russian ongoing occupation and genocide of Chechnya 150,000+ killed
    Turkish ongoing occupation and genocide of Cyprus and Kurdistan 70,000+ killed
    Moroccan ongoing genocide and occupation of Western Sahara 40,000+ killed
    Israel PaLie$tinian conflict 24,000 killed
  218. Israel has no land and no water. It all belongs to Palestinians; Israelis steal it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Jordan comprises 78% of PaLie$tine lol. Why you mad bro
  219. Anon[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Speaks
    Genocide is not a miracle.

    Genocide james errrr Jamil ?
    Nigerian ongoing occupation and genocide of Biafra 2 million+ killed
    Sudanese ongoing occupation and genocide of Darfur 700,000+ killed
    Indonesia ongoing occupation and genocide of West Papua 500,000 + killed
    Alawite ongoing occupation and genocide in Syria 500,000+ killed
    Russian ongoing occupation and genocide of Chechnya 150,000+ killed
    Turkish ongoing occupation and genocide of Cyprus and Kurdistan 70,000+ killed
    Moroccan ongoing genocide and occupation of Western Sahara 40,000+ killed
    Israel PaLie$tinian conflict 24,000 killed

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '@James Speaks
    Genocide james errrr Jamil ?'


    Bizarre. James didn't even mention genocide.

    We seem to be getting the B team here. Where are the A list hasbariots working?
  220. @Anon
    Zambia and Angola.

    Learned something new. Very glad, because parts of what used to be Christendom have become very secular, especially France. Italy and Spain pay lip-service.

  221. @James Speaks
    Israel has no land and no water. It all belongs to Palestinians; Israelis steal it.

    Jordan comprises 78% of PaLie$tine lol. Why you mad bro

    • Replies: @Hail

    PaLie$tine
     
    Things you see when you know it's late thread and well past quitting time.
  222. @Anon
    Do you think that colon is actually a white misfit cucking for Islam as he purports to be or just a Muslim pretending not to be a Muslim for takkiyah purposes ?

    I remember his purported back story , but no one , not even Colon is stupid enough to reveal true details of their life here.

    ‘Do you think that colon is actually a white misfit cucking for Islam as he purports to be or just a Muslim pretending not to be a Muslim for takkiyah purposes ?

    I remember his purported back story , but no one , not even Colon is stupid enough to reveal true details of their life here.’

    Aren’t Zionists clever? Colin/Colon: that’s pretty clever.

  223. @Anon
    Genocide james errrr Jamil ?
    Nigerian ongoing occupation and genocide of Biafra 2 million+ killed
    Sudanese ongoing occupation and genocide of Darfur 700,000+ killed
    Indonesia ongoing occupation and genocide of West Papua 500,000 + killed
    Alawite ongoing occupation and genocide in Syria 500,000+ killed
    Russian ongoing occupation and genocide of Chechnya 150,000+ killed
    Turkish ongoing occupation and genocide of Cyprus and Kurdistan 70,000+ killed
    Moroccan ongoing genocide and occupation of Western Sahara 40,000+ killed
    Israel PaLie$tinian conflict 24,000 killed


    Genocide james errrr Jamil ?’

    Bizarre. James didn’t even mention genocide.

    We seem to be getting the B team here. Where are the A list hasbariots working?

    • Replies: @Anon

    Bizarre. James didn’t even mention genocide
     
    .

    You sure about that , colon?
    Reread his comment. Its a bit wordy at 5 words long but I heard cuck cheerleaders for Islam are smart , so Im sure you will get it on your 3rd or 4th try. Lets see if you are a classy cuck and issue an apology.
  224. Anon[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    '@James Speaks
    Genocide james errrr Jamil ?'


    Bizarre. James didn't even mention genocide.

    We seem to be getting the B team here. Where are the A list hasbariots working?

    Bizarre. James didn’t even mention genocide

    .

    You sure about that , colon?
    Reread his comment. Its a bit wordy at 5 words long but I heard cuck cheerleaders for Islam are smart , so Im sure you will get it on your 3rd or 4th try. Lets see if you are a classy cuck and issue an apology.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...Lets see if you are a classy cuck and issue an apology.

    I only apologize to people I respect.
  225. @Anon

    Bizarre. James didn’t even mention genocide
     
    .

    You sure about that , colon?
    Reread his comment. Its a bit wordy at 5 words long but I heard cuck cheerleaders for Islam are smart , so Im sure you will get it on your 3rd or 4th try. Lets see if you are a classy cuck and issue an apology.

    ‘…Lets see if you are a classy cuck and issue an apology.

    I only apologize to people I respect.

  226. @Nachum
    Yishai is pretty pale. He was opposed to immigration of Eritreans, who are pretty black.

    Honestly, a lot of what goes on here regarding Israel looks like jealousy translated into sour grapes and worse.

    ‘Yishai is pretty pale. He was opposed to immigration of Eritreans, who are pretty black…’

    He may well be opposed to the immigration of Eritreans. However, in the remark I quoted he was referring to Arabs.

  227. @Anonymous
    "Slaughtered by the millions." That's a new one. Even nakba fetishists quote figures in the hundres of thousands.

    Also Muslim Arabs are not indigenous to the levant. Look up the Arab conquest of Byzantium amd Persia. But you probably knew that already.

    ‘…Also Muslim Arabs are not indigenous to the levant. Look up the Arab conquest of Byzantium amd Persia. But you probably knew that already.’

    You’re only demonsttating either your ignorance or your dishonesty.

  228. @HA
    "Some people REALLY can’t take a joke."

    To be honest, as jokes go, I've heard better. But coming from you, at least it sounded sincere. If you want real comedy, maybe it's safer to stick to the classics, so I've dug up one for you. Note how the views endorsed in the ditty below seem to remind me of some similar comments I've read in these threads of late, but I'm struggling to remember who might have written them. Maybe you can help me with that?


    According to a famous Yiddish ditty the Gentile is, to his very core, an alcoholic. By contrast, in the tune’s alternating refrain we “learn” that the Jew is, by definition, genetically sober, studious, and pious:

    Shiker iz der Goy (the Goy is drunk)

    Shikker iz er (a drunk is he)

    Trinken miz er (he must drink)

    Vayl er iz a goy (because he’s a Goy)

    Nikhter iz der Yid (the Jew is sober)

    Nikhter iz er (sober is he)

    Lernen (in some versions, Davenen) miz er (he must learn, or pray)

    Vayl er iz a Yid (because he is a Jew)

    “Shikker iz der Goy” is one of the most popular and least charitable Jewish folk songs of all time...
     

    That's a real howler, right? And catchy, too: "The Goy is drunk, a drunk is he, he must drink, because he’s a Goy" It just rolls off the tongue. It's like something right out of the movie Borat except that we both know that if Sacha Baron Cohen had included it in his film, he would have changed the point of view around about, say, 180 degrees. But all in the interest of comedy, of course.

    The book that is the subject of the above review purportedly does a good job of dismantling both the myth that Jews are not susceptible to drunkenness (evidently, they are indeed susceptible), and the counter-prevailing antisemitic myth that Jews use their alleged superpowers of temperance to drown the gentiles in a lake of Jewish-owned liquor. (Recall that "The Jews [of Russia] were engaged principally in petty trading, as middlemen, or holding various rights leased to them by the landowners, such as milling, fish ponds, and orchards; most of them however, earned their livelihood by the sale of liquor.)

    Now, there is of course a third possibility: that many Jews throughout history have been BOTH prone to alcoholism AND ALSO eager to ply gentiles with alcohol to their detriment, a practice that could then be rationalized by repeatedly emphasizing to themselves and everyone else that the goyim are worthless and lazy and prone to drink anyway (again, does anyone else you know of who posts here have a tendency to offer similar observations repeatedly?) so why not let them at least indulge themselves in such a way to put a few kopeks in a Jew's pocket? Or something like that.

    That mindset is not quite up there with the more sophisticated game that the Sackler brothers have played with oxy in recent years, but in reading the above, I get the sense that the latter were clearly building on a longstanding tradition.

    Anyway, the book apparently doesn't explore that third possibility much -- I wonder why that is?

    repeatedly emphasizing everyone else that the goyim are worthless and lazy and prone to drink anyway

    A few jokes about your typical Eastern Europeans being drunks in Yiddish are not exactly the most effective way to emphasize anything at all…

    • Replies: @HA
    "A few jokes about your typical Eastern Europeans being drunks in Yiddish are not exactly the most effective way to emphasize anything at all…"

    The comment in question had a good deal more in it than that the lyrics I kicked it off with. And what's your problem with Yiddish, anyway? You think the words in the song are something anyone who knows a smattering of German can't get the gist of?

    Secondly, the point of the lyrics was to note that the several examples of similar sentiments in my memory that Jack D has offered us -- in English -- (so there are likely numerous other examples if one cares to look) have a longstanding history as to what certain people find really, really hilarious -- you know, like the notion of there actually being high-IQ Poles out there.

    Finally, if you think those "few jokes" (and that's what you call them-- really?) don't emphasize anything at all, you're flat-out wrong. If you doubt me, do the following: put together some more or less similar lyrics about Jews -- or, better yet, black people -- in some other language recognizable across a wide swathe of a continent, and furthermore, have it become "one of the most popular folk songs" in your culture (I guess you missed or glossed over that part?)

    Do you honestly think people will similarly dismiss the result as not emphasizing anything at all? Of course not. And therein lies the rub.

  229. @Anon
    Jordan comprises 78% of PaLie$tine lol. Why you mad bro

    PaLie$tine

    Things you see when you know it’s late thread and well past quitting time.

  230. @Rosamond Vincy
    They might be. Israeli men can pretty crude when they hit on you. It's not date rape, but it is annoying.

    Israel is just a bit of a backward peasant culture. Dating there for secular people at least, is going to be less “chivalric” than in America or Russia.

    When cultured people began immigrating to Israel in the 1990s from places like Moscow and Petersburg, they were shocked by natives’ low cultural level because in their imagination they associated Jews as highly cultured, but in Israel the population’s behavior is like village people – and this is for both the white native Israelis and the brown ones.

    This peasant mentality manifested in many ways: when last year I was in Israel for my vacation, we were trying to park a car (in the carpark next to the old port of the North Tel Aviv), and everytime we queue for a parking space, some asshole other cars pushed in front of us. That’s until we remembered we have to rudely push our car in front of them. For me this was entertaining – but obviously this is not suitable for a developed country.

    However, there is another side to their provincial mentality – if you ask the Israelis (who are not employees, because there is no “customer service”) for help, they are unusually friendly and helpful.

    Also the unpretentious attitude of native Israelis is attractive to me. They are walking in the street wearing pajamas. People are not judging you by your clothes.

    More than half the population are ethnically like Arabs, and the mentality is more like rural than urban (even though they live in apartments) – but at the same time it is a highly feminist and liberal society. Gender roles are also different: half of the time it is men pushing the strollers and prams, and taking out the children (while the women are at work or something). So, just a very culturally unusual country in a lot of ways.

  231. @Tyrion 2
    One called me across the room and asked me how much my jacket cost. She then old me I had paid too much and bought me a drink and etc later. She was a hard 8 and I was of student age. Somehow I found the strength to pretend this type of stuff happened to me all of the time.

    Later, when she found out I was travelling to the West Bank, she told me I'd be stolen from and not to trust anyone. She then informed me that she couldn't be racist because all of her family were Mizrahi and so she was an Arab too. I believe she was a Yisrael Beitenu supporter. That'd make her hard right in Western terms.

    I also told some Israeli blokes about the first paragraph. They did not find it bizarre. Indeed, she was intelligent and seemingly very emotionally stable. I don't judge. She seemed fine and I like to think the flattering thought that there was something special about me, though I'm not deludedly committed to that thought!

    how much my jacket cost

    Even bourgeois young Israelis are not usually wearing expensive clothes labels. It’s mostly just clothes from their own native labels or H&M and Zara, in the provincial shopping malls.

    If you go in the evening in Dizengoff Street, you can know the groups rich hipster tourists from Moscow or New York, from the other side of the street – because you suddenly see they’re wearing expensive, fashionable clothes.

    Russian hipster tourists who just go there for a weekend, appear suddenly obviously tourists, as the expensively dressing people there.

    Young Israelis – just wearing ordinary Castro, H&M and Zara clothes from the shopping mall. They are a lot less pretentious.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  232. @Autochthon
    rather than – The construction you seek is rather than. You don't always have to collocate the words (e.g., "I had rather see than be one.") but you cannot use than alone to express the meaning instead of.

    etc. is an abbreviation of the Latin et cetera ("and the rest"); et is Latin for and (hence et al. (et alii ; "and others"). Don't write "and etc." It makes one appear stupid, like the editors of The Guardian who write "PIN number" or like fools who say "ATM machine" – though the latter might be a valid sobriquet for certain starlets in blue movies.

    Subjects and predicates should also agree in number; singular subjects take singular predicates, and plural subjects take plural predicates.

    Diagram or simplify your sentences and you will more easily see the errors:

    "They are...member....." ← No. Either write "She is a member." or "They are members."

    "A nation that tells each person that they he are is a precious member and citizen of the state bound by blood, culture, and history rather than an expendable economic unit...."

    "[T]hey should regard their national kin as fellow brothers and comrades rather than losers...."

    "A national elite that is autonomous rather than...in service...."

    Typographical errors are to be expected in this medium (I make mountains of them myself), but your writing, and the writing of a few others who consistently misuse the same constructions (and whom I suspect are not native writers of English) is substantively worthwhile enough, and the errors consistent enough (like intelligent Orientals who constantly misuse definite articles) that I presume you may have interest in improving your English writing.

    שָׁלוֹם

    How does it feel to be a Jewish grammar Nazi, lol?

  233. Israeli Jews want to live and want their tribe to survive. They believe survival of Jews is a worthwhile goal. A significant proportion of the West does not wan to live and does not care if their tribe survives. Why? Because a great deal of the West despises its own people. In particular the ruing elite of the West hates its own population. And that is the root of the problem.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The fundamental problem with Whites is not blacks, Jews, mestizos, orientals, subcons, or anyone else. It's anti-White Whites.

    Solve that and the rest of the problems fall into place quickly. The Jews are very smart and ruthless, but they are numerically weak, and a Jew-wise population can handle them by telling them "no".

    Generally no need for brutality. Just tell them no.
  234. @Tyrion 2
    Thin, feminine 20 something women and masculine outgoing 20 something men?

    The desire and ability to enjoy the most enjoyable thing in life: a family.

  235. @Lot
    "It’s almost like those kids are a completely different race from the region’s historical inhabitants"

    They are about 40% Levantine 50% Italian/South French 10% north euro.

    Living 1000 years in northern Europe lightened them up.

    Living 1000 years in northern Europe lightened them up.

    That, and they probably had been pretty light to begin with. Levantines were closer to Europeans back then than they are now. And Norther Italians weren’t that different from current Northern Italians either. So, they already looked a lot lighter than current Middle Easterners.

  236. @Tyrion 2

    repeatedly emphasizing everyone else that the goyim are worthless and lazy and prone to drink anyway
     
    A few jokes about your typical Eastern Europeans being drunks in Yiddish are not exactly the most effective way to emphasize anything at all...

    “A few jokes about your typical Eastern Europeans being drunks in Yiddish are not exactly the most effective way to emphasize anything at all…”

    The comment in question had a good deal more in it than that the lyrics I kicked it off with. And what’s your problem with Yiddish, anyway? You think the words in the song are something anyone who knows a smattering of German can’t get the gist of?

    Secondly, the point of the lyrics was to note that the several examples of similar sentiments in my memory that Jack D has offered us — in English — (so there are likely numerous other examples if one cares to look) have a longstanding history as to what certain people find really, really hilarious — you know, like the notion of there actually being high-IQ Poles out there.

    Finally, if you think those “few jokes” (and that’s what you call them– really?) don’t emphasize anything at all, you’re flat-out wrong. If you doubt me, do the following: put together some more or less similar lyrics about Jews — or, better yet, black people — in some other language recognizable across a wide swathe of a continent, and furthermore, have it become “one of the most popular folk songs” in your culture (I guess you missed or glossed over that part?)

    Do you honestly think people will similarly dismiss the result as not emphasizing anything at all? Of course not. And therein lies the rub.

  237. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ibound1
    Israeli Jews want to live and want their tribe to survive. They believe survival of Jews is a worthwhile goal. A significant proportion of the West does not wan to live and does not care if their tribe survives. Why? Because a great deal of the West despises its own people. In particular the ruing elite of the West hates its own population. And that is the root of the problem.

    The fundamental problem with Whites is not blacks, Jews, mestizos, orientals, subcons, or anyone else. It’s anti-White Whites.

    Solve that and the rest of the problems fall into place quickly. The Jews are very smart and ruthless, but they are numerically weak, and a Jew-wise population can handle them by telling them “no”.

    Generally no need for brutality. Just tell them no.

  238. @Rosamond Vincy
    I'm mostly amazed that your nuns were gentle and kind! Guess they have a different training system from parochial schools, although at least Sister Mary Whack-a-yardstick's pupils got a proper education, which is more than anyone has been able to claim about the public schools for some time.

    Totally agree.

  239. @Bill P
    China won't take in Jews. A few perhaps, but never more than enough to manage, and they'll provide incentives to marry out so that their descendants will be Han within a few generations.

    The Chinese have already started cracking down on Jewish efforts to resurrect the Jewish community in Kaifeng. It's pretty naive to think that a Chinese regime would tolerate an independent Jewish community in China. Although there's a lot that Chinese admire about Jews, the customs and ways of Jewish communities and society would be a direct affront to Han civilization and culture, and they would be duly extinguished as a result.

    It’s pretty naive to think that a Chinese regime would tolerate an independent Jewish community in China.

    The key word here is regime. The Son of Heaven is a jealous deity, and the current one, surnamed Xi, is more jealous than many. I suspect the average Chinese couldn’t possibly care less. Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore are fairly live-and-let-live places compared to China’s ruler-imposed absolutism.

  240. They really should rename Israel Shutzpahland.

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