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From the New York Times:

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Hey, Bret, nice wall!

Can we have a Wall here too? Or is that just for Israelis, while Americans don’t deserve one? Please explain.

 
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  1. When we finally get our wall … if we ever get our wall … it will have a big, beautiful T monogram on it. Suck it, Israel!

  2. Ibound1 says:

    We deserve better.

    I would certainly add razor wire and a ditch on the other side – although to be fair, it may be there and we simply cannot see it.

  3. Israel already had the Wailing Wall where they could pray that no one would invade them. Now they have a real wall so no one will invade them, best of both worlds. I guess we start by praying for a wall.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  4. Twinkie says:

    Can we have a Wall here too? Or is that just for Israelis, while Americans don’t deserve one?

    Back when I did a stint in Israel, some of my Israeli hosts would wonder aloud why we didn’t have our army on the borders (even with Canada!). For them, it was completely natural that the military exists primarily to protect the territorial integrity and the people of a country.

    We, of course, live in a bizarro-country, which uses its armed forces and treasure to “nation-build” distant lands while leaving the borders wide open to outside infiltrations.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  5. Steve, you’re so cute, trying to appeal to (((Bret Stephen)))’s sense of fairness and all. But I’ve got bad news for you partner: he doesn’t have any.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @MarcB.
  6. Jack D says:

    Trump could do a lot worse than to consult with the Israelis on how to build a proper border wall. They have a lot of technical expertise in this area. A modern wall is not just a bunch of concrete slabs but a network of cameras, sensors, anti-tunnel defenses and so on. The “show me a 30 foot wall and I’ll show you a 31 foot ladder” people have a point – but the real takeaway is that a “wall” is not just something that you build and forget but just one layer in an actively monitored and patrolled system. Yes you may get over it for a minute but you won’t get far before your are caught.

  7. Something else to adopt from the Jewish people!

  8. BenKenobi says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe, I wonder if it would help President Trump to call it “The New Wailing Wall”, after all the Mexicans who will be no doubt wailing on the south side of it.

    We gotta think outside the box if this thing is gonna get built!

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Buffalo Joe
  9. dearieme says:
    @Jack D

    “A modern wall is not just a bunch of concrete slabs but a network of …”: so was Hadrian’s Wall. Maybe the Great Wall of China too, for all I know. Anyone who pretends that a wall would be just a bunch of concrete slabs is trying to diddle you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  10. rufus says:
    @Jack D

    Design and material supplied by the Germans ironically. Mechanical engineering not a strength for the tribe.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  11. Polynices says:

    Maybe we could give Israel a few more billions if they’d promise to come build our wall for us. Seems like that would make all sorts of heads explode. Evil Nazi Trump (with Jewish grandkids) giving lots of money to Jews… for a wall.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Sam Malone
  12. istevefan says:

    I think Stephens and others are now trolling Americans over the wall. They seem to get a kick out of celebrating Israel’s wall while knowing we will never get one here. It’s like holding a piece of meat in front of a dog and not giving it to him.

    It’s just another touch down dance they are doing in front of us like the one they are doing about demographic replacement. Time will tell if they celebrated too early.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    , @Neil Templeton
  13. Is Steve channeling that ingratiating wussy tone Barack Obama used talking to that pathetic clock kid from Texas?

  14. Big Bill says:
    @Jack D

    I swear to God, from the very beginning of his term I prayed that Trump would go to Israel and get the famous “wall tour” that other goyim have gotten. Go to the wall, meet the armed border chicks, heft their guns, get photo ops with Netanyahu, grab the wall/fence, shake it, point out the rolls of concertina wire and make some pronouncements on how border security is essential and how we need to listen to our “big brothers” in Israel and follow their lead.

    Can’t you just imagine the wailing and ululating and gnashing of teeth among the Jewish left (AND right) in the USA? They (like Bret Stephens) would suffer such cosmic cognitive dissonance when Trump and Netanyahu were side-by-side in front of the Israeli wall!

    What could they say? “Africans and Arabs are evil scum and must be kept out of Israel, but Mexicans and Guatemalans add to the wonderful diversity that is ‘America’. They must be admitted and given welfare, Section 8, and Medicaid.”

  15. TG says:

    It’s very simple.

    The United States can’t have a wall because the rich and powerful – the Koch brothers, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. – profit from all that lovely cheap labor. However, these plutocrats don’t profit from people trespassing on their own property, so they can have walls and the laws enforced for their own gated estates etc.

    Why do you think that the only law we can’t arrest people for breaking is illegal immigration? Because the rich don’t want that law enforced. For all other laws, we separate children from their parents no problem.

    For now, the Israeli elites feel that Israeli security is more important that cheap labor within the state of Israel. After all, the Israeli elites can safely profit from all that lovely cheap third-world labor over there in the United States…

    To some extent, the entire state of Israel is a kind of gated estate for a (large fraction) of wealthy Americans. They can drive America proper into poverty, and make a lot of money, but safely live in a country with nice borders and walls etc.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Simon
  16. Jack D says:
    @dearieme

    You are absolutely right in that all past walls were somehow patrolled or had watch towers, but the modern kind is highly electronic and driven by software that ties all the sensors together. The Israels happen to be really good at this stuff and the American government happens to suck – the typical American government software project is to pour billions of $ into a system and the system never works as designed and is eventually abandoned or by the time it is done it is already obsolete because it has taken them 20 years to finish it and the hardware that it runs on is otherwise found only in museums.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    , @Svigor
  17. @Jack D

    Hungary cut its influx of “dreamers” by nearly 100% last year with mere razor-wire fencing. They’re working on a second fence now. Million$, not billion$. Add some men, guns, cameras, vehicles. Viktor Orban for U.S. Dep’t. of Homeland Security!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=hungary+razor+wire+fence&oq=hungary+razor+wire+fence&aqs=chrome..69i57.10560j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  18. istevefan says:
    @Jack D

    The “show me a 30 foot wall and I’ll show you a 31 foot ladder” people have a point

    They do not have a point. The higher the wall the taller the ladder required. Taller ladders are heavier and much more difficult to handle. When I extend my extension ladder to its full 23 feet, it in effect becomes a crew-served item. And it is still a bitch to handle even with a buddy helping.

    Then there is the problem of what to do at the top. On a 1o foot wall you could perhaps jump down to the other side once you are on top of the wall. But at 30 feet or more, that would probably result in a broken leg.

    So you either have to put another ladder on the other side of the wall, or use a rope to slowly descend to the other side. In either case you are being slowed down significantly. And you are only going to have 1 guy at a time doing this. Maybe another guy can start to ascend the ladder once the first guy has started to descend to the other side. But unless you deploy several ladders at once, you are going to have a serious choke point where your caravan slows significantly. Additionally, if you descend via a rope, it won’t take long before you start taking casualties as guys will fall from the 30 foot wall as they lose their grip on the rope.

    And just like more advanced math courses screen out the elite from the merely average math students, higher walls screen out a majority of people who do not do well with heights. On my aforementioned 23 foot extension ladder, I go up and down it gingerly because a ladder at that height has some flex. I can’t imagine the flex on ladders 30 feet or higher. I have a neighbor who won’t even climb it above 10 feet because he gets nervous at the flexing.

    There are people who are unfazed by this for sure. But the number of people attempting to scale a 50 foot wall is much less than a 10 foot wall, or no wall at all. It will significantly reduce the number of those attempting to cross which which will make it easier to patrol for the ones who do.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anon
  19. Jack D says:
    @rufus

    Citation needed. I think a concrete wall is well within the mechanical engineering abilities of the tribe considering that they have an arsenal of nuclear weapons (and the Germans don’t). It’s possible that for reasons of cost or whatever that they subbed the slab making out to a German company but not because it was beyond their abilities.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Rufus
  20. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Thr crazy thing is that U.S. defense contractors actually use American taxpayer money to work on Israeli border security, on things like tunnel detection technology and countermeasures. Insane.

  21. It would probably be a lot more cost-effective and quicker to just enforce the law and hand out large fines and business license forfeitures for employers who can’t verify their employees are legally allowed to work. Happens all the time in the UK. Until Mexicans start lobbing large amounts of rockets across the border, a wall will never go up so there is no use pining for one.

  22. Jack D says:
    @istevefan

    The Israelis opted for a 30 foot wall which they must have figured was a sweet spot between cost and effectiveness. But Home Depot will sell you a 40 foot, even a 48 foot extension ladder. Maybe they would freak you out (and probably me too) but they are stiff and safe enough to be common articles of commerce.

  23. Jack D says:
    @TG

    For now, the Israeli elites feel that Israeli security is more important that cheap labor within the state of Israel.

    Porque no los dos?

    The Israelis used to rely on Palestinians as day laborers but too many kept blowing themselves up so they all had to lose their jobs and live on UN welfare. Now the Israelis bring in guest workers from Thailand for their agricultural sector. Filipino ladies take care of the Israeli elderly, etc.

    There is really not much wrong with guest workers if they are really guest workers and you don’t let them bring their families and become permanent residents. The US used to have effective guest worker programs too.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  24. istevefan says:
    @Jack D

    But Home Depot will sell you a 40 foot, even a 48 foot extension ladder. Maybe they would freak you out (and probably me too) but they are stiff and safe enough to be common articles of commerce.

    I’ve seen the 40 foot ladders. And professionals do use them. They are safe. But they are very heavy and they do flex. But pros understand that they flex and are not dissuaded by it. Amateurs are very intimidated by this.

    Think about the famous Army Rangers at Pointe du Hoc. They surely cold have scaled 50 foot ladders. But then again they trained for that mission and selected only physically fit young men. I am sure you could do the same with some illegals. But you are not going to get the same numbers trying to climb those heights as you are getting now.

    And as I said before, climbing those heights will present a major choke point in any crossing which will allow our border patrol to easily isolate and contain the attempted breach.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  25. Jack D says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    A wall does nothing to stop rockets. Most of the Israeli walls are to stop terrorist infiltrators (not a problem that we have) but others (the fence at the Egyptian border) exist mainly to stop illegal immigrants from Africa.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    , @Trevor H.
  26. @Jack D

    the typical American government software project is to pour billions of $ into a system and the system never works as designed and is eventually abandoned . . .

    Software if the perfect project for bilking taxpayers. It can suck up an infinite number of alleged man-hours for “consulting” and “design,” there are no concrete inputs or benchmarks for completion, and after it fails to work right it’s impossible to pin the failure on anyone in particular.

    Like most areas of government waste, California seems to be the leader.
    https://sbp.senate.ca.gov/sites/sbp.senate.ca.gov/files/California%20IT%20Failures%20Background.pdf

  27. @Jack D

    Exactly. You are not going to get the political impetus to build a wall along the southern border since illegal central American infiltrators aren’t perceived to be a serious security threat. Or at least not worth the cost a typical government construction project incurs. The Sinai insurgency was likely one of the top two reasons Israel built the border wall with Egypt.

  28. @Jack D

    I would pay to see janet napolitano scale a 30′ wall with a 31′ ladder and show us how its done.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  29. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Most Jews see white Americans as quasi-Palestinians. A people to be conquered and subjugated.
    Most Jews see non-white immigrant-invaders as proxy-Jews. A people who will collaborate with Jews(who let them in) and vote for the Jewish-dominant Democratic Party.

    Granted, many non-white newcomers aren’t very crazy about Jews(and some really hate Jews), BUT they won’t rise to the upper echelons of power. They supply the votes that go to shill politicians chosen by the Chosen. They supply the body while Jews keep the head.

    Jews understand that most of power is latent, unconscious, asleep, and etc. It’s like the body continues to maintain its functions even when a person is asleep. Heart keeps pumping, lungs keep breathing, intestines keep digesting, and etc. Most of society is like that. People just doing their jobs without any higher thought or bigger agenda. So, most of power has no willed or conscious power. It’s like everyone working in a ship performs a key function(like in the engine room), but he or she has no say in where the ship is headed. That is decided by just a few: captain and elite crew.

    [MORE]

    As far as Jews are concerned, non-white immigrant-invaders are like a proxy-Jewish-body. As long as the non-white mobs(and white cucks) can be led to hate Whitey as enemy and appreciate the Jewish head as the power that let them into America, they will serve as the body for the Jew.
    In Israel, Jews could bring in enough Jews to outnumber Palestinians(who were also ethnically expelled). Israel is Jewish head and Jewish body, the best kind of combination. But Jews were never going to have a Jewish body in the US. They could only have a proxy-Jewish-body.
    GOP assured Jews that the white body could be a proxy-Jewish body. If Jews support the GOP, white cucks will chant Israel, Israel, Israel, and fight Wars for Israel and hate whatever Jews hate: Russia, Iran, Palestinians, and etc. But Jews distrust the white body. Jews fear it might call for a white head, and Jews see Trumpism as unformed but alarming emergence of that head. Jews see it as a monster-baby that must be aborted and killed in the womb.
    So, Jews figured that the only effective proxy-Jewish body is Diversity, esp of immigrant-invaders. Newcomers are confused, amorphous, and contradictory. But because they have no unified goal or direction, they can be brought together under themes of ‘hate whitey’ to support globalism(controlled by Jews) that allowed them into the West for better life.
    So, there is the Jewish head and the proxy-Jewish body of Diversity.

    And Jews get to decide because they control the brains. Actually, even most of the brains are rather unconscious. The conscious decision is mostly done by areas of frontal cortex, a small part of the brain. So, those who control the frontal cortex control all the brains and all the body. Academia and Media are the brains of society, but most academics and journalists lack agency and autonomy; they are the lesser areas of the brains that serve the will and agency of the frontal cortex. Harvard and few key elites set the agenda, and the rest follows. NYT and WAPO set the Narrative, and all other news organizations follow along. Jews are the Cortexians. Non-white immigrants are Proxians.

    Still, even the unconscious body gets restive when it goes ignored for too long. Suppose some guy wants to play videogame endlessly and ignores his body’s need to pee and stretch out and eat and drink. His mind is 100% obsessed about the game. But the body will eventually rebel and force the guy to take a leak or eat something. And populism is the rebellion by the body against the mind that ignores its needs. And populism will fail unless it latches onto a head.

    The current Yellow Vest movement in France is powerfully populist, but it is body without a head. Unless it gets a head, it can’t sustain itself for long.
    Whatever one thinks of the French Revolution, the popular will latched onto a bunch of powerful intellectuals as inspired vanguard. Populism is like a stick. Without a spear-tip, it will just flail around until it breaks. Only the spear-tip can penetrate into the realm of power. Populism without a vanguard is like a man without a pud. No matter lustful he may be, he’s not gonna penetrate and create new life.

    Trump is too much bluster. Bluster works on the campaign trail, but one cannot rule with bluster. You gotta have ‘muster’.

  30. @Jack D

    They shoot those who approach the walls. In the legs. No more head shots.

  31. Effective, yes. But there’s more to life than efficiency.

    Christo and Claes Oldenburg are still active, I believe. Give one of them a call.

    • Agree: Lot
  32. Anon[522] • Disclaimer says:
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    To be fair , no one past a certain level believes in fairness , no one.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
  33. @Buck Turgidson

    If you have to hold the ladder and watch from below while she’s climbing, you’ll be “Uck Suppleson” instead of Buck Turgidson.

  34. JMcG says:
    @Jack D

    They have a nuclear arsenal because they stole the fissionable material from us. Some 600 pounds of it in fact, from a facility in Pennsylvania. It’s known as the Apollo affair. Nice bunch of people. Happened a few years before they bombed and strafed the USS Liberty.

    • Replies: @Anon
  35. Lot says:
    @Polynices

    I said in Dec 2016 that Trump should ask Bibi to build our wall on spec/credit. Once its done, Congress wouldn’t say no to reimbursing Israel.

    One aspect of our defense relationship is Israel’s defense industry often is better than ours at getting actual production costs down. They export arms to poor third world militaries for this reason.

  36. BB753 says:

    Yet another reason why Goyim can’t have nice things anymore. Just because!

  37. Rufus says:
    @Jack D

    You’re thinking of Gaza, west bank. Nothing to do with the immigration issue, largely in the far south expansive deserts where it’s less a wall than prison like reinforced fencing and metallic razor wire etc. Two distinct goals, functions.

  38. ‘Please explain’

    Well you asked so I’ll (have) to do it again:

    Israel has zero islands. The US has lots .

    Israel has 1 international airport. The US has dozens (hundreds?)

    Israel has a very short coastline. The US has one of the longest.

    If the US put a super-strong wall on the Mexican border there would still have the world’s longest border with Canada eg:

    https://www.ca.kayak.com/flight-routes/Mexico-City-Benito-Juarez-MEX/Vancouver-Intl-YVR

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Anon
    , @ATBOTL
    , @AnotherDad
  39. rexl says:

    There is a story in the Arizona Republic that states a contract for $172 million was just let to replace fourteen miles of “mats” laid on this side of the existing eighteen foot tall fence so that people jumping will not be hurt, as badly. I had to read it twice.

    • Replies: @Glt
  40. Rosie says:
    @Jack D

    The Israelis used to rely on Palestinians as day laborers but too many kept blowing themselves up so they all had to lose their jobs and live on UN welfare. Now the Israelis bring in guest workers from Thailand for their agricultural sector. Filipino ladies take care of the Israeli elderly, etc.

    There is really not much wrong with guest workers if they are really guest workers and you don’t let them bring their families and become permanent residents. The US used to have effective guest worker programs too.

    Old people who don’t have children to take care of them should move to third world countries themselves for cheap labor rather than impose them on the rest of us.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  41. istevefan says:
    @Jack D

    Here is footage of some illegals jumping off the top of one our existing pieces of wall. The wall appears to be 15 to 20 feet high. Even though they land in what appears to be sand, you can see they are hurt by the fall. Just imagine a drop from 30 feet. You can also see how this slows down any bumrush of the border as well.

  42. Rosie says:
    @anony-mouse

    Israel has zero islands. The US has lots .

    Israel has 1 international airport. The US has dozens (hundreds?)

    Israel has a very short coastline. The US has one of the longest.

    If the US put a super-strong wall on the Mexican border there would still have the world’s longest border with Canada eg:

    Here you are arguing that a wall would be ineffective here but not in Israel. If true, this doesn’t answer Steve’s (and Tucker’s) question: Why is Israel’s wall morally permissible, while Trump’s wall is not? Presumably, if a US-Mexico border wall would be “exclusive” and therefore immoral, Israel’s wall would be even more immoral, precisely because it is so effective at keeping out unwanted foreigners.

    • Replies: @anony-mouse
  43. @istevefan

    Jack is as usual applying his selective standards to Israel and the rest is his typical misdirection which sadly too many commenters here get lured away with from the original topic, which is of course, the double standards many Jews apply when it comes to Israeli border and immigration enforcement. But because Jack is such a beacon of honesty and fair mindedness I’ll play along.

    Show me a 30′ foot wall and I’ll show you a Jew waiting on the Mexican side holding a 31′ ladder.

    Even if the “wall” were merely a continuous 15′ foot razor wire fence, that alone will eliminate the handicapped, most females that are pregnant, aliens with small children, or just plain fat aliens. Mexicans are nothing if not well fed. As someone else said, getting up the wall is only half the battle; getting down the other side uninjured is the hard part.

    Breaking through the wall or other forms of entry through tunnels, hidden in vehicles, or by sea are not valid arguments against the wall. Those other things merely require additional forms of border protection.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
  44. Anon[522] • Disclaimer says:
    @JMcG

    Uss Liberty : 34 American soldiers killed. Determined by both sides to be accidental.

    Beirut marine bombing : 241 American soldiers killed. Admitted as purposeful act by perpetrators.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @dearieme
  45. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    The U.S. does have a tendancy to boil the ocean on these kinds of projects, rather than go for the 80-20 solution.

    Sometimes that works out well, as with 1960s NASA, where you didn’t want too many diasasters for publicity’s sake. But even then, it can go too far. Before he wrote Barbarians at the Gate, Bryan Burrough wrote a book about the space program called Dragonfly in which he contrasted NASA and its astronauts with the Soviets and their cosmonauts, in the context of the brief period when the Soviet space station Mir was occupied by an international team The Soviets really come across as get-it-done, “Where’s the duct tape and bailing wire?” cowboys, and the Americans are hypochondriacal pussies, or in the case of the only American female astronaut, a neurotic mess.

    For immigration, a slightly souped-up eVerify (with photo checks) plus restrictions on financial accounts and money transfers for non-legals would be a cheap 80 percent solution, implementable at the federal level by Homeland, Treasury, and Justice, with no way for “sanctuary cities” to interfere. You could probably clear out half the current illegal population over a couple of years with that alone, and then start to tweak it to clear out more, perhaps with a little carrot added.

    • Replies: @Anon
  46. Trevor H. says:
    @istevefan

    Time will tell if they celebrated too early.

    That you and I are conversing on an unknown, fringe web blog while he and his own the major media, should probably tell you something.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  47. Simon says:
    @TG

    It’s very simple. The United States can’t have a wall because the rich and powerful – the Koch brothers, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. – profit from all that lovely cheap labor.

    I used to nod when I read such stuff. Those scumbag billionaires — they just want cheap labor!

    But you know, it doesn’t quite makes sense. The Kochs, Zuckerberg, and their ilk don’t really need cheap Mexican gardeners and servants and minimum-wage factory workers. They don’t have to save money on the sorts of things unskilled immigrants can do. In fact, they give millions of dollars away to their various pet causes. So I’m beginning to be skeptical of that argument. I think these people are just ideologues, or deluded SJWs.

    • Replies: @Anon
  48. It’s hard not to notice that the Jews escaped from the ghetto about two hundred years ago — and after some uncertainty, started walling themselves in again.

    Agoraphobia?

  49. Forbes says:
    @BenKenobi

    I wonder if it would help President Trump to call it “The New Wailing Wall”, after all the Mexicans who will be no doubt wailing on the south side of it.

    Not to mention the prog-lefties wailing on the north side of the wall.

  50. @istevefan

    I’m pretty sure he’s trolling iSteve:

    “What’s worse: To be denied membership in a country club because you’re Jewish, or driven from your ancestral homeland and sovereign state for the same reason? If anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are meaningfully distinct (I think they are not), the human consequences of the latter are direr.”

    Even as he confirms Sailer’s Law and nods to Country Club exclusion, he ups the ante to a game for the ancestral homeland and sovereign state. Playin’ for all the chips now. As we all may be.

  51. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse

    We’re still waiting for you to explain.

    If our enemies thought that a wall would be ineffective, they wouldn’t be so against it.

    Its large scale failure would cause a large departure of political capital from the Trump Right Wing base. It would be a devastating victory for the Left.

    If your protests have any validity then you have nothing significant to lose with the wall’s construction. In short: thou doth protest too much.

  52. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    “If anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are meaningfully distinct (I think they are not), the human consequences of the latter are direr.”

    Given the modern liberal mandate of universal morality, it seems as if Stephens is revealing his opinion that the human consequences of anti-native-European-nationalist sentiment has dire human costs.

  53. Nice! He’s intellectually honest to make a distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. Though perhaps that’s because Arabs are also Semites.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  54. @Rosie

    1/ Ineffectiveness/waste has an immorality all its own.

    2/ Israel is actually at war (see also Hadrian’s Wall, the Great Wall, etc).

    (Note: As I’ve written here before-I favor mandatory E-Verify-something that would be irrelevant in Israel’s case- but which would be more effective in the US case)

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @Rosie
  55. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse

    1/ Ineffectiveness/waste has an immorality all its own.

    Stop with your disingenuous nonsense. Just state that you hate White gentile Americans, want them to be dispossessed, and be done with it. Honesty’s morality trumps your appeal to the morality of supposed waste.

    Moreover, the wall is a fine bet. See my prior post. Especially in relation to the cost of the actual waste in this nation: for one, all of the money spent on policing and welfare for illegals, not to mention the democratic, community, death, general crime, wage suppression, and other tolls for their presence here.

    Last, we elected a President based on his promise for a wall. The people have spoken, and any valid discussion is over. As we can see by the progressive / Neocon gambit to undemocratically threaten our duly elected POTUS.

    2/ Israel is actually at war (see also Hadrian’s Wall, the Great Wall, etc).

    Israel is not at war. Israel has millions of innocent civilians imprisoned because it is afraid of their demographic superiority. Any other justification willfully ignores the group-punishment nature of Gaza and the West Bank, which is against every modern moral sensibility.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Anon
  56. Anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse

    2/ Israel is actually at war (see also Hadrian’s Wall, the Great Wall, etc).

    Israel is “at war” like Germany was “at war” (though they are far less threatened than was Germany). If you can morally rationalize the former’s position, then you morally rationalize the latter’s position.

    Unless you are an ethnic supremacist who does not believe in a universal morality for all tribes within your nationalist worldview. If that’s the case, then what possible value do your comments have here?

    It would be simpler to state:

    “We feel that it is moral duty to oppress other tribes for our tribal interests within Europe, the US, and Israel. That requires the application of a moral double-standard”.

    No one with such a double-standard has any legitimate platform to cite morality to people outside of their tribe.

  57. @Fidelios Automata

    Nice! He’s intellectually honest to make a distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. Though perhaps that’s because Arabs are also Semites.

    Hmmm… I’d rather have the Jews there than over here, so I can’t be anti-Zionist. Nor can I warm up to Arabs at all, so I must be anti-Semitic.

    Thanks for clearing this up.

    • Replies: @Anon
  58. Wilkey says:

    A 2,000 mile wall? “Holy shit, that would be impossible!” say congressmen who live at both ends of I-90 (3,020 miles long), and on many stops in between.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  59. Rosie says:
    @anony-mouse

    2/ Israel is actually at war (see also Hadrian’s Wall, the Great Wall, etc).

    So are we.

  60. Wilkey says:

    At even as much as $2,000 per foot, a wall across our ~2,000 mile border would cost only about $21 billion. To put that in perspective, the US Navy’s latest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford, cost $12.8 billion to build – not counting the cost for R&D, several billion more for the fighter aircraft to arm it and, of course, all the other ships that comprise a carrier strike group.

    I would guesstimate that the cost of a US Navy carrier strike group is around $25-30 billion. We have 11 of them. A border wall would cost less to build and operate than a single carrier strike group and do far more to serve the defensive interests of the American people than any of them – or perhaps even all of them. (Of course what matters isn’t the defensive interests of the American people but the defensive interests of the Chamber of Commerce, AIPAC, and a few others.)

    And, of course, the United States has hundreds of thousands of miles of roads, including six interstates that are as long as (or nearly as long as) our Mexican border, all with engineering requirements substantially greater than those of a border wall.

    In other words, there is nothing prohibitive about the cost of a border wall.

    There is nothing prohibitive about the engineering requirements of a border wall.

    Given the fact that every billionaire, centimillionaire, celebrity and congressman in the country has a wall and/or fence and/or locked doors, there is also nothing morally prohibitive about a border wall.

    Financially, technologically, and morally, a border wall is perfectly sound and reasonable.

    Anyone who tells you otherwise is either ignorant or is a lying sack of shit.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, Rosie
    • Replies: @Rob McX
  61. JMcG says:
    @Anon

    Accidental my backside. The Germans killed lots of Americans too. The difference is that we weren’t helping pay for the German military while they were killing us.
    No comment on the theft of fissionable material?

  62. JMcG says:
    @Wilkey

    Every highway in my area is surrounded by 16 foot high noise barriers. AKA -Walls.

    • Replies: @Anon
  63. dearieme says:
    @Anon

    “Determined by both sides to be accidental.”

    Much as I dislike finding myself on the same side of an argument as the anti-semitic idiots who infest this site, I snort – indeed, I sneer – at the notion that it was an accident. Grow up!

    • Replies: @JMcG
  64. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    Stop with your disingenuous nonsense. Just state that you hate White gentile Americans, want them to be dispossessed, and be done with it. Honesty’s morality trumps your appeal to the morality of supposed waste.

    Anony-mouse equivocates with the word “morality.” Notice he changed the meaning of the word from “exclusionary” to “wasteful” without bothering to tell the rest of us about it, until he was called out for sophistry.

    A much more honest comment would have been this:

    “Western nations have the same right of demographic self-defense as Israel, though I doubt a wall would be as cost effective for the US as it has been for Israel.”

    At least then we would all know what we’re arguing about.

  65. Anon[522] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    So you must be really enraged by

    Russian ongoing occupation in Chechnya, Dagestan,Kaliningrad, Crimea 250,000+ killed or 10 times more than Israel has killed.

    Indonesian ongoing occupation and genocide and ethnic cleansing in Papua 500,000 killed or 20 times more than Israel has killed .

    Nigerian ongoing occupation and genocide in Biafra 2 million plus killed or 100 times more than Israel has killed

    Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan, Chinese occupation of Tibet and Xinyang and many more.

    Please point me to your presumably hundreds of comments condemning these atrocities as I would expect from a disinterested unbiased humanitarian such as yourself.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  66. @Ali Choudhury

    It would probably be a lot more cost-effective and quicker to just enforce the law and hand out large fines and business license forfeitures for employers who can’t verify their employees are legally allowed to work.

    Yes, it would probably be a lot more cost-effective and quicker, but apparently we’re not allowed to do that either.

  67. @Jack D

    that would be politically brilliant too – USWall=Israeli Wall.. the NYT WaPo opposition would get silent rather swiftly.

  68. Rob McX says:
    @Wilkey

    Great comment. Arguments against the expense or inconvenience of a wall are brazen lies. And you could pick at random just one piece of expenditure that a wall would prevent, and show how the wall (or tighter immigration control in general) would pay for itself, e.g. how much does surveillance of potential terrorists in the US cost per annum? If it doesn’t already exceed the cost of maintaining a wall, it soon will.

  69. MarcB. says:
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Steve’s appeal effectively highlights Stephans’ double standard.

  70. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    You’re describing (((learned))) helplessness. Gov’t collects taxes just fine.

  71. istevefan says:
    @Trevor H.

    That is a fair point. However, one only needs to look at the yellow vests in France to see how quickly things could still change. Though the jury is still out on the yellow vests, the fact they materialized so quickly makes one hope something like that could happen here.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  72. Svigor says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    This is Judeocentric argumentation. I.e., “oh, that’s the justification the Jews use for their wall so it would be a sufficient excuse for Whites if they had someone shooting rockets over the border but fortunately for the Jews they don’t.” There’s a lot of this sort of just-so-story “logic” from Zionists and Jews but you’d think a Hindu would do his own thinking.

    Fact is, Jews wouldn’t approve of a US border wall if Mexicans were lobbing rockets. They’d be blaming Whitey.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  73. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Just using lightweight aluminum ladders on one and two story homes is a real lesson in practical physics.

    Remember though, there are 800 numbers all over Central America that they can call and get recruited by an American company and get hooked up with one of the smugglers who deliver the cheap labor to American employers.

    You don’t think they get from a primitive village in Salvador to a N Dakota potato farm or Vermont dairy farm all by themselves do you?????

  74. JMcG says:
    @dearieme

    I’d like to be absolutely clear about this. I am neither an anti-Semite nor an idiot. Although I can be idiotic at times, I suppose.

  75. rexl says:
    @Glt

    “Last month, U.S. Customs and Border Protection announced that they had awarded a $172 million contract to replace 14 miles of the landing mats near the San Luis port of entry with newer, bollard-style designs.” Sounds pretty straight forward to me. It was out of the Arizona Republic, and a story titled “Yuma agents see more falls tied to fencing”, dated Dec. 12, by Rafael Carranza.

    • Replies: @Anon
  76. Trevor H. says:
    @istevefan

    Agreed, though I’m not completely certain what they’re protesting about. They probably muster up more unity as French people than we’d ever get away with as Americans in the USA nowadays.

  77. Trevor H. says:
    @Svigor

    The Palestinians lob bottle rockets, while America’s invaders send soldiers. Soldiers who never leave, but who do reproduce.

  78. Trevor H. says:
    @Jack D

    Most of the Israeli walls are to stop terrorist infiltrators (not a problem that we have)

    That’s a good one. Terrorist infiltrators have killed a lot more Americans than they have Israelis. And you can stop with that “we” thing. Just say “Fellow White People” and we’ll know what you mean.

  79. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Those ladders are used by real construction workers who work for companies that have workmen’s comp insurance and the safety Nazi walking around the site.

    But why quibble about ladders when we all know the wall will never be built. And if a wall is ever built our military will give old planes to the capitalists to fly the cheap labor in.

  80. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Simon

    A lot of people think as you do. There are more immigrants on welfare than working so it must be some on American Kalergi plan.

  81. @Anon

    but that level is absurdly extreme. Pathological altruism is real and afflicts many many white gentiles

  82. ATBOTL says:
    @anony-mouse

    Can’t you just admit that Bret Stephens is a hypocrite? Is it that hard to accept any criticism at all of a fellow tribe member?

  83. ATBOTL says:
    @Anon

    This is a classic Jewish dissimulation tactic: Claiming that no Jew can be fairly criticized or punished until every gentile in the world who did the same thing is punished first.

    Make a note of this one, you will see it over and over.

    Not that the tribe are the only ones who do this by any means, but it’s a low grade defense you will see used by the more obliviously ethnocentric peoples of the world like Jews, Arabs, Gypsies and Pakistanis. You generally won’t see Europeans or East Asians making such a crude demand for special treatment.

  84. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Don’t mean to quibble. But employers don’t want to use e-verify. And many employers of illegals are themselves illegals or immigrants from China with sweatshops in their garages.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  85. ATBOTL says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Because twenty foot walls stop indirect fire rocket artillery so well.

  86. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @rexl

    I looked up landing mats. They are exactly what they say they are. Various kinds from $150.00 for a grade school gym to $1,000 for professional stunt people and the military

  87. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @JMcG

    A lot of them in my city. And the alleys in the commerciak industrial multi unit residence areas are lined with cyclone fences with razor wire on top aka walls

    6 foot fence 2 feet of wire on top no burglaries or illegal entries into the yards

  88. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’ve never understood what’s wrong with anti Semitism. It’s like being against crime.

  89. @BenKenobi

    Ben, Thank you, very funny reply.

  90. swamped says:

    Israel’s “Big, Beautiful Wall(sic)” is totally illegal! The International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague issued an advisory opinion on this ugly, little wall in July, 2004 at request of UNGA, ruling:

    “A. (By fourteen votes to one) The construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law;

    B. (By fourteen votes to one) Israel is under an obligation to terminate its breaches of international law; it is under an obligation to cease forthwith the works of construction of the wall being built in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, to dismantle forthwith the structure therein situated, and to repeal or render ineffective forthwith all legislative and regulatory acts relating thereto …;

    C. (By fourteen votes to one) Israel is under an obligation to make reparation for all damage caused by the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem;

    D. (By thirteen votes to two) All States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction; all States parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 have in addition the obligation, while respecting the United Nations Charter and international law, to ensure compliance by Israel with international humanitarian law as embodied in that Convention;

    E. (By fourteen votes to one) The United Nations, and especially the General Assembly and the Security Council, should consider what further action is required to bring to an end the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and the associated régime, taking due account of the present Advisory Opinion (ibid 201–2).”

    ’nuff said!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  91. Build the Wall!

    We could probably save a little with a 2,000 mile long minefield, but people frown upon that sort of thing these days.

  92. Anonym says:

    With apologies to some guy on slashdot:

    “We’re going to build a wall, and we’re going to make the USA pay for it!” – Bibi

  93. @Jack D

    Indeed Trump should do the wall visit, but not because we need knowledge on building a border wall.

    The Israelis have lots of smart guys, and i’m sure have some valuable “lessons learned”, but this isn’t rocket science engineering–layers, cement, steel, motion sensors, cameras (visible, IR), etc. etc.

    No, Trump should do a giant photo-op visit simply to “increase the contradiction”. What Israelis can do to protect their nation, with American Jews support, in contrast to Americans not being allowed to have a wall; being deplatformed for expressing opposition to endless immigration; and flat out being thrown in jail for demonstrating opposition to replacement–all with American Jews support.

    Highlighting the contradiction would be embarassing to good tranche of American Jews. Some of the patriots might be prodded to speak up–“We’re fortunate to call America our home and want to preserve it for our children.” Some of the tribal haters–Brett Stevens types–exposed and humiliated a bit (generally they just have no shame). The extremism of the consistent open borders types demonstrated. And more of the gentiles woken up. Win, win, win, win.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  94. @anony-mouse

    Hey, mouse,

    we also have an over 3000 mile freeway across our nation (a project similar to wall building)
    we also have 400x the land area
    we also have 40x the population (50x if you limit it to Israel’s Jews)
    we also have 60x the GDP

    Yes, the United States is indeed a much bigger nation. Any other brilliant insights you want to offer.

  95. @swamped

    Israel’s “Big, Beautiful Wall(sic)” is totally illegal!

    It’s not illegal according to the Israeli government, and they are sovereign there.

    (I wouldn’t put any stock in anything from the International Court of “Justice”. Those guys would probably tell me i’m not allowed to breathe.)

    Anyway, all you’re pointing out is that some of the Israeli wall runs through the occupied territory. That probably exists because Israel has wide range of views including Greater Israel types–whether motivated theologically or racially–and has a governing coalition that must appease all of them. Everyone–everyone serious–knows that Israel has to sort out this mess at some point and cleanly–as cleanly as possible–divorce themselves from the Arabs. But that’s a ways out. In the meantime, they have to be able to live.

    Our big beautiful wall will sit 100% on US territory. (You always want a small border marking wall, then anyone trying to mess with the big beautiful wall is inherently tresspassing and invading and asking to be shot.)

  96. @Anon

    Don’t mean to quibble. But employers don’t want to use e-verify. And many employers of illegals are themselves illegals or immigrants from China with sweatshops in their garages.

    Who gives a shit. Who cares what employers “don’t want”. They don’t want to pay the minimum wage–they have to. They don’t want to obey all sorts of health and safety rules–they have to. They don’t want to do SS and income tax withholding–they have to.

    Compared to that stuff, e-verify is nothing. And for the record, employers are already supposed to–have had to for a long time–verify your work eligibility when you get a job. They are required to ask all the elgibility questions, and verify that you are eligible to work and send that info in. E-verify is just a collection of that data … where you actually get an eligibility check!

    Seriously, i’m so sick of *any* whining by business about this immigration related stuff. You like living in the USA? Raising your family here? Doing business here–in our friendly business environment? Well this is how we keep the USA a decent place to live. So STFU and do it.

    Let’s pass mandatory E-verify and get on with it. Businessmen who do not comply–shut their businesses down and toss their asses out of the USA. They are not loyal Americans and do not belong here.

    • Agree: JMcG

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