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Israel to shut migrant centre and deport Africans

AFP AFP•November 18, 2017

Jerusalem (AFP) – Israel’s cabinet voted on Sunday to close a migrant detention centre, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced an agreement to deport 40,000 Africans who entered the country illegally. …

“The infiltrators will have the option to be imprisoned or leave the country,” the public security ministry said in a statement.

Israeli official figures from June 30 show a total of 38,043 African migrants in the country. …

Speaking ahead of Sunday’s vote, Netanyahu noted that after building a fence on the Egyptian border and deporting some 20,000 African migrants through various deals, Israel has reached the third stage of its efforts — “accelerated removal”.

“This removal is taking place thanks to an international agreement I reached that enables us to remove the 40,000 infiltrators remaining, remove them without their consent,” he told ministers.

 
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  1. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Wow just wow. I can’t even.

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    I can’t even.
     
    I feel like the poor street urchin; my nose pressed against a window; peering at people who have "made it"; wondering what it must be like to have nice stuff and things that work. Then security comes along and informs me that the grooming gangs are not done with me yet.
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  2. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?

    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

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    • Replies: @Another Realist
    Easy solution: banish all the white students to the regular classes, and send all the black kids to the Honors classes.

    Problem solved.
    , @nebulafox
    I'm going to take a wild guess and suggest that "import more Koreans and Vietnamese to offset the blacks and Latinos" wasn't it. Wrong Kind Of Diversity.
    , @Yak-15
    "The results showed a continued racial divide — in ninth grade language arts, about 90 percent of white students are in honors, compared to less than 50 percent of black students. In biology, 36 percent of black students are in honors, compared to 89 percent of white students."

    That's an insane percentage of kids in "honors biology." My high school did not even have an honors biology for freshmen and 98 percent of my classmates went to college. Also, that's a very, very high percentage of blacks as well. If those are truly "honors" level classes (which I sincerely doubt), that's amazing progress.

    "According to Fields, kids are segregated long before high school, making it difficult for minority students to feel prepared for AP classes."

    The important part is to "feel prepared." Academic preparation consists entirely of subjective emotion and social constructs. Intelligence, desire and hard work play no role.

    The best part of this whole article is that a group of parents is suing the school to correct the gap.

    How long before scores of dreadlocked bucket drummers are summoned to rid the school of evil spirits haunting the brains of black students?
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    This brings back traumatic memories of the year I spent in East Orange, in the early middle 1970s, as the city began its decline from a pleasant White suburb to a mostly Negro hellhole. When I first got to East Orange there was a pleasant and well-stocked urban supermarket. Then, a few months after my arrival, I noticed the appearance of Negroes, openly stealing and vandalizing as they "shopped". Before I left the market shut its doors but first not before newly arrived Negroes had trashed the place into a shambles. When I first arrived I felt comfortable walking along Prospect Street, a main drag, at any time of the day. By the time I left Negro harassment might occur at any time. To anyone who has not experienced it, the rapidity with which an influx of the Negro underclass can destroy a neighborhood or city is incomprehensible. The Oranges were once renowned for the quality of their schools. My guess is they began a steady decline starting at about the time I left.
    , @Anon
    "We should all be ashamed?"


    So, if I do my homework and study for the exam and pass the grade and if another kid goofs around and flunks out, both of us should be ashamed?

    Was I supposed to study and take the test for both of us?
    , @Ed
    The problem with blacks is that we want the signifiers of success without actually doing the work to get it.

    I’m surprisingly baffled how many blacks think that uneven outcomes is proof positive of discrimination.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?

    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

     

    That is my hometown and my old high school. Columbia High School, Maplewood, NJ. Also serves South Orange. I was one of the white kids in all top tracked AP classes. That's the high school where Lauryn Hill came from, Elisabeth Shue, and Zach Braff. It's where Garden State was filmed.

    It's also where a notorious alt-right figure Mike Peinovich aka Mike Enoch went to school. All my peers are horrified by that guy. I have zero memory of him. I also have never read him as an adult. I prefer the more reasonable, intelligent version of the alt right like Steve Sailer or Ilana Mercer or Victor Davis Hanson or Peter Thiel or Alain Finkielkraut or and less guys like that who look closer to a Richard Spencer type.

    The ethnic mix has shifted some in the last 20 years, but not that much. They opened a train line with direct service to Manhattan, so much of that city is housing for people who work in Manhattan.

    Food tourism wise, if you ever go to South Orange, make sure to try the New Jersey Sloppy Joe at Town Hall Deli. It's a very unique sandwich. People pay top dollar to have those shipped around the nation.
    , @biz
    WTF, That part about the new school district policy being that it is now entirely up to students and their parents to decide who enrolls in honors / AP classes and who doesn't. Are we even trying to be a serious country anymore?
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    A couple of weeks ago, the Boston Globe ran a ‘concerned’ piece about racial strains in York, PA, for a series titled “Disrupted America.”

    A year after Trump’s election, York, Pa., is forever changed
     
    Meanwhile, up the road in Harrisburg:

    At least 45 Pennsylvania teachers resign in just three months due to student violence and those that remain are 'begging' for help from school board
     
    Could it be that the Deplorables of York don’t want more of what’s ailing Harrisburg, where even the Nice White Ladies are bailing?

    Harrisburg Education Association (HEA) President Jody Barksdale:

    … and see what we can put together to actually help these children that are displaying these atypical behaviors.
     
    Atypical? These ‘educators’ aren’t learning much. Show me a class picture and I’ll tell you if the mayhem is “atypical” or not.
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  3. Dumbo says:

    Funny, as soon as they turn towards Europe, instead of “infiltrators” they become “refugees”. What a little word can do.

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    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    "infiltrators"??? WTF?

    Point noted, Dumbo. Your version was much more eloquent than mine.
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    • Replies: @Big Bill
    As the Israeli supreme court ruled in the Brother Daniel case (back in 1960 or so), Jewish converts to Christianity are an existential threat to the Jewish people and can be prevented from immigrating.

    It is simple, common sense: the Nation -- every nation -- should determine which other religions, races, and ethnies are a threat, prevent them from immigrating, and expel them if there is any way possible.
    , @sb
    The comments in this newspaper article are so revealing .
    If one takes them them at face value there are plenty of ( Israeli ) Jews who hate gentiles and if it was the other way around have opinions which would be characterised as hate crime in Western countries
    , @Mr. Anon
    Not only are they going to deport her, but they are going to revoke her parents' status as a holocaust survivor.......................I have no son! You are dead to me!

    On that page, I also noticed this link:

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Daughter-of-US-ambassador-to-Israel-makes-Aliyah-502451

    The daughter of U.S. Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is immigrating to Israel.

    So,..................which country does Ambassador Friedman really represent?
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  5. I’ll have what he’s having …

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  6. Polynikes says:

    I hope someone tweets this to the POTUS

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  7. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Infiltrators?!”

    “Well, you said no human is illegal, so…”

    Israel badly needs some tikkun olam.

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  8. Trelane says:

    Illegal infiltrators. I like that. A good, solid Sapir-Whorfian term.

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  9. Dan Hayes says:

    An offer they can’t refuse: “to be imprisoned or leave the country.”

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    Those will any sense will choose imprisonment, knowing that they'll get released -- complete with amnesty and welfare -- the time a Labor or cuck government comes in.
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  10. Moses says:

    In diversity America we’re all Jews now. Act like it.

    Watch the Jews. Learn from them. They know what they’re doing.

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    This is the Left's plan, too.

    First the Jews become white, then the whites become Jews, aka minorities resented for their prosperity.

    You think once America is 'majority minority' our troubles are over??
    , @George
    "Watch the Jews. Learn from them. "

    I am glad to see you on your first steps to enlightenment. Here are some links to start you on your journey.

    The Complete Tanach with Rashi's Commentary
    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/63255/jewish/The-Bible-with-Rashi.htm

    Albert Einstein wants you to study the Talmud

    The scientific organization and comprehensive exposition in accessible form of the Talmud has a twofold importance for us Jews.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/224157/the-babylonian-talmud-is-now-available-for-free-online-in-english-and-hebrew
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  11. bomag says:
    @anon
    Wow just wow. I can't even.

    I can’t even.

    I feel like the poor street urchin; my nose pressed against a window; peering at people who have “made it”; wondering what it must be like to have nice stuff and things that work. Then security comes along and informs me that the grooming gangs are not done with me yet.

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  12. @Dumbo
    Funny, as soon as they turn towards Europe, instead of "infiltrators" they become "refugees". What a little word can do.

    “infiltrators”??? WTF?

    Point noted, Dumbo. Your version was much more eloquent than mine.

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  13. Wilkey says:

    But…but…HAVEN’T THEY LEARNED THE LESSONS OF THE S.S. ST LOUIS????????????????

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  14. Big Bill says:

    Hear, hear! Kudos to the Israelis! God bless ‘em all! Remember, God said that we, The Nations, should follow the Jewish example.

    They are trying to Save the World and they deserve our whole-hearted support.

    The Galut … umm … not so much.

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  15. Cato says:

    Israel tacitly recognises the Sudanese and Eritreans cannot be returned to their dangerous homelands, so it has signed deals with Rwanda and Uganda, which agree to accept departing migrants on condition they consent to the arrangement

    These countries accept the migrants in return for cash payments. Not too different from the agreement Australia once made with Papua New Guinea. We (and the Europeans) could make a deal like that–send to Haiti, for example, all the wretched refuse trying to reach our teeming shore. It would definitely lift up the lamp by our clos-ed door.

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    Why are they trying to go to Israel in the first place, is geographic proximity a factor? The likelihood of being granted refugee status is higher in almost every other Western country in the world. Seems like Europe would be a much better bet.
    , @Cloudbuster
    I read an article recently that maintained that the supposed dangers of Eritrea are almost entirely fabricated as part of an unspoken understanding between the government and the "refugees" because Eritrea's economy is propped up be "refugee" remittances.
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  16. nebulafox says:

    I don’t trust Netanyahu any further than I can throw him, but I’ll give him credit where credit is due for showing a backbone on this. It’s no wonder the Poles, Czechs, and Hungarians all are inviting in Israeli advisors to prevent further migrant flows. Though Modi is doing one further. The guards at the Pakistani and Bangladeshi borders have orders to shoot immediately now.

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don’t take their cues from the New York Times editorial board, nor do many of the more recent Jewish emigrants from the former Soviet Union who came in the 1990s-though their children might be a different story. The latter often have social views on blacks and whatnot that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it is the Israelis who tend to also have more nuanced/pragmatic views on historical anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.)

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    "And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind"

    Some Jews believe in a Nation state?
    , @nebulafox
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    And are less butthurt than their American liberal coreligionists about Jews being treated like any other ethnic group and being a target for jokes/stereotypes.
    , @Moses
    Anyone who criticizes Jews is an anti-Semite. Anti-Semites are bad.
    , @AndrewR
    True, but Israel presumably appreciates the help of the NYT and other "liberal" American organizations in advancing Israeli national interests at the expense of the US.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I don’t trust Netanyahu any further than I can throw him, but I’ll give him credit where credit is due for showing a backbone on this.
     
    And yet he criticized (then, candidate) Trump when he (Trump) proposed suspending the immigration of muslims into the U.S. So why did he do that? What business is it even of his?

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don’t take their cues from the New York Times editorial board,....
     
    That is a ridiculous mis-characterization of reality. Are you suggesting that the New York Times wants non-jewish immigration into Israel? Often times, the same people who advocate unlimited immigration into the U.S. also advocate highly restrictive immigration policies for Israel. It is not some kind of inconsistency - it is all of a piece. I guess that noticing such things makes one an "anti-semite".
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  17. @Anon
    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?
    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    Easy solution: banish all the white students to the regular classes, and send all the black kids to the Honors classes.

    Problem solved.

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    Beat me to it. Of course then they'll just say that the fact that the students can't keep up in the advanced classes is the result of their being "underserved" in previous years, when all or most of the students were attending the same classes.

    Is there any data on how much one-on-one attention these "underserved" kids receive in mixed classes? Or any personal impressions? I'm guessing it's more, but not by a huge margin.

    , @Moses
    Racial separation.

    Problem solved.

    Imagine the incredible things Blacks will achieve when Whites are no longer holding them down in racist school systems.

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  18. Tank says:

    What a great example Israel is setting.

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  19. But but but their diversity is their strength, it’s true, the IQ 107 Jews in America tell us so.

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  20. The Israeli supreme court will see to it that this removal scheme never happens.

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Their Supreme Court is notable in that its is the only government branch where Arabs have representation. The Arabs in the Knesset obviously don't count when even Labor won't agree to appoint them to the Cabinet should they win.

    It should not be outrageous for the US right to demand that Israel appoint even a token few Christians into the Israeli Cabinet, as the price for continued military subsidies. It would be even better to demand that Arab Christians in Lebanon are not legitimate military targets, as they were in 2006.
    , @Perspective
    If so, that is really disappointing. The article does say that they were able to deport 20k so far, hopefully the rest will follow.
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  21. nebulafox says:
    @Anon
    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?
    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    I’m going to take a wild guess and suggest that “import more Koreans and Vietnamese to offset the blacks and Latinos” wasn’t it. Wrong Kind Of Diversity.

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  22. Looks they they didn’t realize that George Lincoln Rockwell’s “Boat Ticket to Africa” was supposed to be satire.

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  23. Yak-15 says:
    @Anon
    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?
    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    “The results showed a continued racial divide — in ninth grade language arts, about 90 percent of white students are in honors, compared to less than 50 percent of black students. In biology, 36 percent of black students are in honors, compared to 89 percent of white students.”

    That’s an insane percentage of kids in “honors biology.” My high school did not even have an honors biology for freshmen and 98 percent of my classmates went to college. Also, that’s a very, very high percentage of blacks as well. If those are truly “honors” level classes (which I sincerely doubt), that’s amazing progress.

    “According to Fields, kids are segregated long before high school, making it difficult for minority students to feel prepared for AP classes.”

    The important part is to “feel prepared.” Academic preparation consists entirely of subjective emotion and social constructs. Intelligence, desire and hard work play no role.

    The best part of this whole article is that a group of parents is suing the school to correct the gap.

    How long before scores of dreadlocked bucket drummers are summoned to rid the school of evil spirits haunting the brains of black students?

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    "How long before scores of dreadlocked bucket drummers are summoned to rid the school of evil spirits haunting the brains of black students?"

    I am still laughing at the mental picture this conjures up in my "mindhead".
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    It doesn't matter who's in the class, it's who gets the good scores. Otherwise, what's the point of AP?
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  24. Big Bill says:
    @Dumbo
    Incidentally: Swedish woman deported from Israel for being Christian convert?

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.823740

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Swedish-daughter-of-Holocaust-survivor-faces-deportation-from-Israel-514734

    As the Israeli supreme court ruled in the Brother Daniel case (back in 1960 or so), Jewish converts to Christianity are an existential threat to the Jewish people and can be prevented from immigrating.

    It is simple, common sense: the Nation — every nation — should determine which other religions, races, and ethnies are a threat, prevent them from immigrating, and expel them if there is any way possible.

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  25. newrouter says:
    @nebulafox
    I don't trust Netanyahu any further than I can throw him, but I'll give him credit where credit is due for showing a backbone on this. It's no wonder the Poles, Czechs, and Hungarians all are inviting in Israeli advisors to prevent further migrant flows. Though Modi is doing one further. The guards at the Pakistani and Bangladeshi borders have orders to shoot immediately now.

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren't an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don't take their cues from the New York Times editorial board, nor do many of the more recent Jewish emigrants from the former Soviet Union who came in the 1990s-though their children might be a different story. The latter often have social views on blacks and whatnot that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it is the Israelis who tend to also have more nuanced/pragmatic views on historical anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.)

    “And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind”

    Some Jews believe in a Nation state?

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    • Replies: @Fredrik
    Why wouldn't they?

    George Soros hates Israel too...
    , @Maj. Kong
    I recall a post from a while back, where Japanese that spoke English were much friendlier to globalism than those that didn't. Perhaps the Israeli Jews that only speak Hebrew are disconnected from the liberal English speakers in America.
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  26. nebulafox says:
    @nebulafox
    I don't trust Netanyahu any further than I can throw him, but I'll give him credit where credit is due for showing a backbone on this. It's no wonder the Poles, Czechs, and Hungarians all are inviting in Israeli advisors to prevent further migrant flows. Though Modi is doing one further. The guards at the Pakistani and Bangladeshi borders have orders to shoot immediately now.

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren't an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don't take their cues from the New York Times editorial board, nor do many of the more recent Jewish emigrants from the former Soviet Union who came in the 1990s-though their children might be a different story. The latter often have social views on blacks and whatnot that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it is the Israelis who tend to also have more nuanced/pragmatic views on historical anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.)

    Comment timed out:

    And are less butthurt than their American liberal coreligionists about Jews being treated like any other ethnic group and being a target for jokes/stereotypes.

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  27. Wilkey says:

    How do the open borders whack jobs in Congress square these two facts:

    1. The United States cannot be allowed to adopt an Israeli-style immigration policy because that policy is racist.

    2. The United States should continue to send Israel over $3 billion/year in foreign aid.

    If I propose reducing legal immigration and enforcing laws against illegal immigration I am a racist. And if I propose eliminating US aid to Israel, even if it’s on the grounds of objecting to their immigration policy, I am also a racist.

    I dare an American politician to use the term “illegal infiltrator.” Democrats, of course, love to pretend to be anti-Israel when it suits them, so that wouldn’t work. The proper place to use it would be in front of open borders Republican – perhaps Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham or Sheldon Adelson.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    The Afro export/repatriation cost is an add-on, so expect an invoice for all amounts exceeding the $3B baseline.
    , @TheBoom
    Open borders whack jobs don't need to reconcile such major conflicts because they are on the side of our overlords. Even noticing this contradiction will bring forth denunciations from the ADL and SPLC for anti-Semitism. The question I have is whether it is possible for most deplorable whites to notice the hypocrisy and reflect on the implications. My guess is no. Most whites to the right of center define themselves in large part, esp if they are evangelicals, through their love of Jews and Israel.
    , @Maj. Kong
    If the subversion ends up leading to Roy Moore's defeat in Alabama, he should make a consolation speech with a single word:

    "Palestine"
    , @Rosie
    That is the 3 billion dollar question that they will not allow to be asked, because the only answer is that Jews deserve a future, and Whites do not, because we are the cancer of human history, which must be excised for the good of all the world.

    They would rather not go there just yet.
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  28. @Yak-15
    "The results showed a continued racial divide — in ninth grade language arts, about 90 percent of white students are in honors, compared to less than 50 percent of black students. In biology, 36 percent of black students are in honors, compared to 89 percent of white students."

    That's an insane percentage of kids in "honors biology." My high school did not even have an honors biology for freshmen and 98 percent of my classmates went to college. Also, that's a very, very high percentage of blacks as well. If those are truly "honors" level classes (which I sincerely doubt), that's amazing progress.

    "According to Fields, kids are segregated long before high school, making it difficult for minority students to feel prepared for AP classes."

    The important part is to "feel prepared." Academic preparation consists entirely of subjective emotion and social constructs. Intelligence, desire and hard work play no role.

    The best part of this whole article is that a group of parents is suing the school to correct the gap.

    How long before scores of dreadlocked bucket drummers are summoned to rid the school of evil spirits haunting the brains of black students?

    “How long before scores of dreadlocked bucket drummers are summoned to rid the school of evil spirits haunting the brains of black students?”

    I am still laughing at the mental picture this conjures up in my “mindhead”.

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  29. @Another Realist
    Easy solution: banish all the white students to the regular classes, and send all the black kids to the Honors classes.

    Problem solved.

    Beat me to it. Of course then they’ll just say that the fact that the students can’t keep up in the advanced classes is the result of their being “underserved” in previous years, when all or most of the students were attending the same classes.

    Is there any data on how much one-on-one attention these “underserved” kids receive in mixed classes? Or any personal impressions? I’m guessing it’s more, but not by a huge margin.

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  30. Thomas says:

    Glenn Thrush is going to the guillotine now too. This is fairly big, at least in the world of political journalism. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/20/glenn-thrush-sexual-misconduct-allegations-250340

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    @Cato

    Israel tacitly recognises the Sudanese and Eritreans cannot be returned to their dangerous homelands, so it has signed deals with Rwanda and Uganda, which agree to accept departing migrants on condition they consent to the arrangement
     
    These countries accept the migrants in return for cash payments. Not too different from the agreement Australia once made with Papua New Guinea. We (and the Europeans) could make a deal like that--send to Haiti, for example, all the wretched refuse trying to reach our teeming shore. It would definitely lift up the lamp by our clos-ed door.

    Why are they trying to go to Israel in the first place, is geographic proximity a factor? The likelihood of being granted refugee status is higher in almost every other Western country in the world. Seems like Europe would be a much better bet.

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    Israel is the first First World nation north of eastern Africa on the land route.
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  32. @Barnard
    Why are they trying to go to Israel in the first place, is geographic proximity a factor? The likelihood of being granted refugee status is higher in almost every other Western country in the world. Seems like Europe would be a much better bet.

    Israel is the first First World nation north of eastern Africa on the land route.

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    Also, "deported from Israel" gives one a major boost on European asylum or refugee claims.
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  33. @Anon
    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?
    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    This brings back traumatic memories of the year I spent in East Orange, in the early middle 1970s, as the city began its decline from a pleasant White suburb to a mostly Negro hellhole. When I first got to East Orange there was a pleasant and well-stocked urban supermarket. Then, a few months after my arrival, I noticed the appearance of Negroes, openly stealing and vandalizing as they “shopped”. Before I left the market shut its doors but first not before newly arrived Negroes had trashed the place into a shambles. When I first arrived I felt comfortable walking along Prospect Street, a main drag, at any time of the day. By the time I left Negro harassment might occur at any time. To anyone who has not experienced it, the rapidity with which an influx of the Negro underclass can destroy a neighborhood or city is incomprehensible. The Oranges were once renowned for the quality of their schools. My guess is they began a steady decline starting at about the time I left.

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    I'm from Essex County, NJ, and the decline of the Oranges started before that. At least in the late 1960s. Route 280 ran from Newark to Parsippany and the blacks in the Oranges had to move out of the way, plus the 1968 riot in Newark.

    Ethnic Italians seems to be the last to abandon a formerly white town. They're more aggressive plus, ahem, the boys keep the peace.

    East Orange was a wealthy suburb in the 1930s. Drive by some of the older elegant apartment buildings. Certainly not built for the future Section 8 crowd.

    , @Massimo Heitor
    I'm from that area.

    East Orange and Newark were places to avoid. They were notoriously dysfunctional, high poverty+crime, and yes, strong ethnic black majorities.

    South Orange and West Orange are mostly nice cities. They have some poor areas and some very wealthy areas and had black areas and white areas. Neighboring Livingston, NJ was mostly wealthy too.
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  34. Ivy says:
    @Wilkey
    How do the open borders whack jobs in Congress square these two facts:

    1. The United States cannot be allowed to adopt an Israeli-style immigration policy because that policy is racist.

    2. The United States should continue to send Israel over $3 billion/year in foreign aid.

    If I propose reducing legal immigration and enforcing laws against illegal immigration I am a racist. And if I propose eliminating US aid to Israel, even if it's on the grounds of objecting to their immigration policy, I am also a racist.

    I dare an American politician to use the term "illegal infiltrator." Democrats, of course, love to pretend to be anti-Israel when it suits them, so that wouldn't work. The proper place to use it would be in front of open borders Republican - perhaps Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham or Sheldon Adelson.

    The Afro export/repatriation cost is an add-on, so expect an invoice for all amounts exceeding the $3B baseline.

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  35. Moses says:
    @nebulafox
    I don't trust Netanyahu any further than I can throw him, but I'll give him credit where credit is due for showing a backbone on this. It's no wonder the Poles, Czechs, and Hungarians all are inviting in Israeli advisors to prevent further migrant flows. Though Modi is doing one further. The guards at the Pakistani and Bangladeshi borders have orders to shoot immediately now.

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren't an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don't take their cues from the New York Times editorial board, nor do many of the more recent Jewish emigrants from the former Soviet Union who came in the 1990s-though their children might be a different story. The latter often have social views on blacks and whatnot that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it is the Israelis who tend to also have more nuanced/pragmatic views on historical anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.)

    Anyone who criticizes Jews is an anti-Semite. Anti-Semites are bad.

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  36. Moses says:
    @Another Realist
    Easy solution: banish all the white students to the regular classes, and send all the black kids to the Honors classes.

    Problem solved.

    Racial separation.

    Problem solved.

    Imagine the incredible things Blacks will achieve when Whites are no longer holding them down in racist school systems.

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    Our host with the most, Steven Sailer, has pointed out that even affluent black neighborhoods have lousy schools, e.g., Prince Georges County in Maryland.
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  37. TheBoom says:
    @Wilkey
    How do the open borders whack jobs in Congress square these two facts:

    1. The United States cannot be allowed to adopt an Israeli-style immigration policy because that policy is racist.

    2. The United States should continue to send Israel over $3 billion/year in foreign aid.

    If I propose reducing legal immigration and enforcing laws against illegal immigration I am a racist. And if I propose eliminating US aid to Israel, even if it's on the grounds of objecting to their immigration policy, I am also a racist.

    I dare an American politician to use the term "illegal infiltrator." Democrats, of course, love to pretend to be anti-Israel when it suits them, so that wouldn't work. The proper place to use it would be in front of open borders Republican - perhaps Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham or Sheldon Adelson.

    Open borders whack jobs don’t need to reconcile such major conflicts because they are on the side of our overlords. Even noticing this contradiction will bring forth denunciations from the ADL and SPLC for anti-Semitism. The question I have is whether it is possible for most deplorable whites to notice the hypocrisy and reflect on the implications. My guess is no. Most whites to the right of center define themselves in large part, esp if they are evangelicals, through their love of Jews and Israel.

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  38. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?
    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    “We should all be ashamed?”

    So, if I do my homework and study for the exam and pass the grade and if another kid goofs around and flunks out, both of us should be ashamed?

    Was I supposed to study and take the test for both of us?

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    Was I supposed to study and take the test for both of us?

     

    That's right, racist, and his version has to do better than yours.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    We have had that problem in the US for decades, and it is as much the fault of Progressive Education as "diversity." I remember teachers in my mostly middle-class suburb trying to turn everything into group work. Cheating was rampant.
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  39. @Moses
    In diversity America we're all Jews now. Act like it.

    Watch the Jews. Learn from them. They know what they're doing.

    This is the Left’s plan, too.

    First the Jews become white, then the whites become Jews, aka minorities resented for their prosperity.

    You think once America is ‘majority minority’ our troubles are over??

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    You think once America is ‘majority minority’ our troubles are over??
     
    No. White troubles are just beginning when America is "majority minority."

    My point is to close ranks like the Jews do. Jews are successful for a reason. Be ruthless about in-group interests like the Jews are. Conceal advancement of group interests behind something like tikkun olam.

    The challenge for Whites will be how to employ the double strategy that Jews do -- claim they're "White" when it's advantageous, then claim they're "Jews" when it's not. Hard for a White to claim he's a Somali or Paki.
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  40. snorlax says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Israel is the first First World nation north of eastern Africa on the land route.

    Also, “deported from Israel” gives one a major boost on European asylum or refugee claims.

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    First one would have to make it from Rwanda or Uganda to Europe (without going through Israel). Then, presumably, one would need to lie about coming from somewhere worse than those relatively stable African countries.
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  41. Fredrik says:
    @newrouter
    "And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind"

    Some Jews believe in a Nation state?

    Why wouldn’t they?

    George Soros hates Israel too…

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  42. @Yak-15
    "The results showed a continued racial divide — in ninth grade language arts, about 90 percent of white students are in honors, compared to less than 50 percent of black students. In biology, 36 percent of black students are in honors, compared to 89 percent of white students."

    That's an insane percentage of kids in "honors biology." My high school did not even have an honors biology for freshmen and 98 percent of my classmates went to college. Also, that's a very, very high percentage of blacks as well. If those are truly "honors" level classes (which I sincerely doubt), that's amazing progress.

    "According to Fields, kids are segregated long before high school, making it difficult for minority students to feel prepared for AP classes."

    The important part is to "feel prepared." Academic preparation consists entirely of subjective emotion and social constructs. Intelligence, desire and hard work play no role.

    The best part of this whole article is that a group of parents is suing the school to correct the gap.

    How long before scores of dreadlocked bucket drummers are summoned to rid the school of evil spirits haunting the brains of black students?

    It doesn’t matter who’s in the class, it’s who gets the good scores. Otherwise, what’s the point of AP?

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  43. sb says:
    @Dumbo
    Incidentally: Swedish woman deported from Israel for being Christian convert?

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.823740

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Swedish-daughter-of-Holocaust-survivor-faces-deportation-from-Israel-514734

    The comments in this newspaper article are so revealing .
    If one takes them them at face value there are plenty of ( Israeli ) Jews who hate gentiles and if it was the other way around have opinions which would be characterised as hate crime in Western countries

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  44. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi

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  45. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The chorus of indignation from the EU High Command is simply deafening.

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    Perhaps, just perhaps, a post-brexit Britain just might introduce the same policies.


    Don't hold your breath.
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  46. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    The chorus of indignation from the EU High Command is simply deafening.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, a post-brexit Britain just might introduce the same policies.

    Don’t hold your breath.

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  47. Moses says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    This is the Left's plan, too.

    First the Jews become white, then the whites become Jews, aka minorities resented for their prosperity.

    You think once America is 'majority minority' our troubles are over??

    You think once America is ‘majority minority’ our troubles are over??

    No. White troubles are just beginning when America is “majority minority.”

    My point is to close ranks like the Jews do. Jews are successful for a reason. Be ruthless about in-group interests like the Jews are. Conceal advancement of group interests behind something like tikkun olam.

    The challenge for Whites will be how to employ the double strategy that Jews do — claim they’re “White” when it’s advantageous, then claim they’re “Jews” when it’s not. Hard for a White to claim he’s a Somali or Paki.

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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    France opted for a different plan. So, Paris is now a city of leeches. Parisite.

    I guess moralitics shapes history.

    France became burdened with moral guilt. Imperialism and Collaboration in WWII. So, the only way it could atone for its sins was to welcome, indulge, and surrender to Jewish elites and Third World mobs.

    Jews, as victims of Shoah, became showered with moral prestige. So, they deserve a nation of their own, and anything is justified to maintain its integrity.

    P0les feel the same way after centuries of Russian/Prussian imperialism, hell in WWI, more hell in WWII, and then Soviet Occupation. They also feel moral pride and prestige, and so they have their own kind of ‘zionistic’ zeal about pride of Polishness.

    But if Jewish nationalism is validated by historical narrative, Polish nationalism is denounced as ‘nazism’. Both Jews and Poles got it bad from Germans. But for some reason, Jewish nationalism is a legit reaction to history but Polish nationalism isn’t.

    I guess Jewish Narrative is a jealous narrative, like Jewish God is a jealous God. He cannot tolerate any other gods, and Jewish Narrative cannot tolerate any other morally sanctioned nationalism.
    Only Jewish nationalism is approved by History as morally defensible. Only it passes the Kosher test.

    And all of us better comply with Kosharia.

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  49. IHTG says:

    FWIW, the word that’s being translated to “infiltrator” here – מסתנן – doesn’t have quite as negative a connotation in Hebrew. Although it does literally mean “infiltrator”, as used it conveys something closer to “trespasser”.

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    FWIW, the word that’s being translated to “infiltrator” here – מסתנן – doesn’t have quite as negative a connotation in Hebrew. Although it does literally mean “infiltrator”, as used it conveys something closer to “trespasser”.
     
    You mean that in Hebrew the concept "infiltrator" doesn't have such a bad connotation?

    Interesting. Why is that, I wonder?

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  50. George says:
    @Moses
    In diversity America we're all Jews now. Act like it.

    Watch the Jews. Learn from them. They know what they're doing.

    “Watch the Jews. Learn from them. ”

    I am glad to see you on your first steps to enlightenment. Here are some links to start you on your journey.

    The Complete Tanach with Rashi’s Commentary

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/63255/jewish/The-Bible-with-Rashi.htm

    Albert Einstein wants you to study the Talmud

    The scientific organization and comprehensive exposition in accessible form of the Talmud has a twofold importance for us Jews.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/224157/the-babylonian-talmud-is-now-available-for-free-online-in-english-and-hebrew

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    Thank you George for the kind links.

    Jewish religious doctrine, although fascinating, is not my main interest. I'm more keen to observe (and emulate) how Jews create a strong in-group orientation and obtain positions of privilege living as aliens in an ostensibly hostile society. That would be useful for my group as we become a minority in Diversity America.

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  51. Maj. Kong says:
    @newrouter
    "And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind"

    Some Jews believe in a Nation state?

    I recall a post from a while back, where Japanese that spoke English were much friendlier to globalism than those that didn’t. Perhaps the Israeli Jews that only speak Hebrew are disconnected from the liberal English speakers in America.

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    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.

    , @AndrewR
    Correlation doesn't always mean causation. Presumably the Japanese who are most interested in the world outside Japan are the most motivated to learn foreign languages.
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  52. Maj. Kong says:
    @Wilkey
    How do the open borders whack jobs in Congress square these two facts:

    1. The United States cannot be allowed to adopt an Israeli-style immigration policy because that policy is racist.

    2. The United States should continue to send Israel over $3 billion/year in foreign aid.

    If I propose reducing legal immigration and enforcing laws against illegal immigration I am a racist. And if I propose eliminating US aid to Israel, even if it's on the grounds of objecting to their immigration policy, I am also a racist.

    I dare an American politician to use the term "illegal infiltrator." Democrats, of course, love to pretend to be anti-Israel when it suits them, so that wouldn't work. The proper place to use it would be in front of open borders Republican - perhaps Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham or Sheldon Adelson.

    If the subversion ends up leading to Roy Moore’s defeat in Alabama, he should make a consolation speech with a single word:

    Palestine

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  53. Maj. Kong says:
    @International Jew
    The Israeli supreme court will see to it that this removal scheme never happens.

    Their Supreme Court is notable in that its is the only government branch where Arabs have representation. The Arabs in the Knesset obviously don’t count when even Labor won’t agree to appoint them to the Cabinet should they win.

    It should not be outrageous for the US right to demand that Israel appoint even a token few Christians into the Israeli Cabinet, as the price for continued military subsidies. It would be even better to demand that Arab Christians in Lebanon are not legitimate military targets, as they were in 2006.

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    I guess you'd say Ayoob Kara doesn't count either!
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  54. @Maj. Kong
    I recall a post from a while back, where Japanese that spoke English were much friendlier to globalism than those that didn't. Perhaps the Israeli Jews that only speak Hebrew are disconnected from the liberal English speakers in America.

    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.

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    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.
     

    Having a population that is able to speak good English, opens a lot of economic opportunities for companies (and nations as a whole). It improves your economic chances, and it's why there's a big push in Israel at the moment to improve the quality of the population's English.

    However, for day-to-day reading, writing and speaking, the public in Israel are obsessed with the Hebrew language. It's why they are lot less concerned with what people in the West think about them, than most people in the West seem to imagine.

    Most antisemitic conspiracy theories and positions seem quite bizarre from a Hebrew-speaking perspective. Especially considering the average Israeli is (by Western standards) quite working class, working 6 days a week, serving in the army, while being condemned non-stop in Western media and EU funded NGOs - these Zionist conspiracies theories propagated by wealthy people on college campuses in Norway and California come across as surreal. Along with the endless stuff about being racist, when it's a multi-ethnic country where half the population has light-brown skin and is intermarrying the other half with white-skin.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    In New Testament days, Coine was the business dialect, from late Roman times til well into the Renaissance, Latin was the legal and scholarly language, French became the courtly tongue after the Norman invasion and remained so in Tolstoy's Russia.
    People have tried to establish a universal language before-- Esperanto is one of the best-known--but the yobs will continue speaking the current vernacular, unless some traditionalists start a campaign to preserve Welsh or Catalan or whatever.
    Remember, when conquerors want to wipe out a culture, one of the things they do is try to eliminate the language. The backlash to that has so far protected the world from Newspeak.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    See?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5102791/Thanksgiving-tribe-reclaims-language-lost-colonization.html
    , @Melendwyr
    That's a stupid thing for Dyson to have said. The issue isn't whether people speak a global language, the issue is how many different 'mother tongues' the world has. If everyone learns to speak one language as their primary, any cognitive vulnerabilities or assumptions built into the language affects everyone. If there are lots of different native languages, and then people learn Globalspeak, that vulnerability largely goes away.
    , @Eagle Eye

    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.
     
    Freeman Dyson is probably on to something.

    Anyone who speaks and reads another language knows that conventional thoughts and conventions, the range of acceptable topics in different social situations, etc. can be quite different from one language and country to another. This is particularly striking when comparing Indo-European languages such as English and French with non-European languages.

    It is quite conceivable, under a weak Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, that accidents of social conventions, pre-existing terminology and concepts, availability of information in one or other language culture inhibits or enables mental leaps and associations. Diversity of linguistic and material cultures may in the aggregate prove crucial in dicey situations for all mankind.

    An interesting phenomenon is that where traditional crafts (e.g. pottery, woodworking) have developed largely independently in different cultures, historical technical differences persist, and the corresponding vocabulary for materials, tools, processes etc. can be strikingly at variance between comparable cultures.

    By contrast, where technologies developed in parallel and in a situation of mutual communication (e.g. electronics, steel production), technical terms typically are either borrowed directly from the dominant language (English) or translated 1:1 from the inventing language.

    , @Anonymous
    Speaking of English, it's a tad troubling that the word "concerning" which was always a preposition (requiring an object) has now become an adjective in some hands. Origin: A malentendu for 'disconcerting' btw.
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  55. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @snorlax
    Also, "deported from Israel" gives one a major boost on European asylum or refugee claims.

    First one would have to make it from Rwanda or Uganda to Europe (without going through Israel). Then, presumably, one would need to lie about coming from somewhere worse than those relatively stable African countries.

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  56. AndrewR says:
    @Maj. Kong
    I recall a post from a while back, where Japanese that spoke English were much friendlier to globalism than those that didn't. Perhaps the Israeli Jews that only speak Hebrew are disconnected from the liberal English speakers in America.

    Correlation doesn’t always mean causation. Presumably the Japanese who are most interested in the world outside Japan are the most motivated to learn foreign languages.

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  57. IHTG says:
    @Maj. Kong
    Their Supreme Court is notable in that its is the only government branch where Arabs have representation. The Arabs in the Knesset obviously don't count when even Labor won't agree to appoint them to the Cabinet should they win.

    It should not be outrageous for the US right to demand that Israel appoint even a token few Christians into the Israeli Cabinet, as the price for continued military subsidies. It would be even better to demand that Arab Christians in Lebanon are not legitimate military targets, as they were in 2006.

    I guess you’d say Ayoob Kara doesn’t count either!

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  58. AndrewR says:
    @nebulafox
    I don't trust Netanyahu any further than I can throw him, but I'll give him credit where credit is due for showing a backbone on this. It's no wonder the Poles, Czechs, and Hungarians all are inviting in Israeli advisors to prevent further migrant flows. Though Modi is doing one further. The guards at the Pakistani and Bangladeshi borders have orders to shoot immediately now.

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren't an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don't take their cues from the New York Times editorial board, nor do many of the more recent Jewish emigrants from the former Soviet Union who came in the 1990s-though their children might be a different story. The latter often have social views on blacks and whatnot that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it is the Israelis who tend to also have more nuanced/pragmatic views on historical anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.)

    True, but Israel presumably appreciates the help of the NYT and other “liberal” American organizations in advancing Israeli national interests at the expense of the US.

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  59. Pericles says:
    @Anon
    "We should all be ashamed?"


    So, if I do my homework and study for the exam and pass the grade and if another kid goofs around and flunks out, both of us should be ashamed?

    Was I supposed to study and take the test for both of us?

    Was I supposed to study and take the test for both of us?

    That’s right, racist, and his version has to do better than yours.

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  60. Svigor says:

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don’t take their cues from the New York Times editorial board, nor do many of the more recent Jewish emigrants from the former Soviet Union who came in the 1990s-though their children might be a different story. The latter often have social views on blacks and whatnot that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it is the Israelis who tend to also have more nuanced/pragmatic views on historical anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.)

    For the anti-Gentile Jews here: yes, we know; diaspora Jews do what’s good for the Jews in the diaspora (kill white ethnonationalism in its crib, forever; push leftism), and Israeli Jews do what’s good for the Jews in Israel (practice Jewish ethnonationalism; reject leftism). Different strategy, same goal: what’s good for the Jews. It’s a real riddle, wrapped inside an enigma; who ever heard of tailoring strategy and tactics to the unique circumstances being faced?

    It looks a lot like a “hive-mind,” * once you understand that the two groups get along famously. This is why Israel and Israeli Jews come first in diaspora Jewry’s “help and support” list, and last on their Culture of Critique priority list, despite the fact that this should be reversed, if one takes either group’s politics at face value (protip: don’t). And why Israeli Jews so readily trust and depend on such a group.

    * (do Jews call armies, institutions, voting blocs, etc., “hive-minds”; or is this one of those tendentious terms that only pops up when it’s Jews being critiqued?)

    It’s very interesting how the ethnonationalist, leftism-rejecting Israelis make no attempt to bring the ethnonationalist-hating (well, they hate the white kind, anyway; the Jewish kind is hunky-dorey) diaspora Jews around. And how the leftist, ethnonationalist-hating diaspora Jews make no attempt to bring the Israeli Jews around. Despite the fact that your own kind is the obvious place to start at that sort of thing. I mean if you can’t sell your own family on your product, you’re probably not much of a salesman, right?

    Unless, maybe, you know your product is harmful, and would never let people you care about anywhere near it…

    My favorite part of this conversation is the Ground Hog Day aspect; there’s always a Jew around who has either yet to hear the myriad counterarguments to his Jewish Cultural Boilerplate, or is willing to pretend he has never heard them.

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    * (do Jews call armies, institutions, voting blocs, etc., “hive-minds”; or is this one of those tendentious terms that only pops up when it’s Jews being critiqued?
     
    They might have stolen the term from Joseph Sobran:
    http://www.sobran.com/hive/beforeHive.shtml

    Before the Hive
    (Reprinted from SOBRAN'S
    August 2001, page 3-5)

    Over the past twenty years I've often written about
    "the Hive" -- my nickname for the informal body of
    opinion comprising liberals, socialists, outright
    Communists, and various other strains of "progressive"
    opinion.
     
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    US Jews who want to bring more Muslims to the US must have a suicide wish. They've been targeted same as Christians at San Bernardino and France, etc.
    I suspect they don't want to be seen as intolerant, so they keep it to themselves if they don't want more Muslims, in case somebody says, "What about when YOUR ancestors tried to get in?"
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  61. Svigor says:

    Jews deporting blacks. Reminds me of how the USA and Europe denied holocaust victims an escape to the west.

    “Infiltrators?!”

    “Well, you said no human is illegal, so…”

    Israel badly needs some tikkun olam.

    Jews didn’t go with “heal thyself” for obvious reasons. The subtext of “heal the world” seems to be “and make sure all your meddling is directed outward, and well away from the Tribe.”

    Illegal infiltrators. I like that. A good, solid Sapir-Whorfian term.

    While I have to thank the Jews for the label “infiltrator,” we should also observe the AP Style Guide’s admonition that no human being is illegal.

    They’re “criminal infiltrators.” Thanks AP! Thanks Jews!

    In diversity America we’re all Jews now. Act like it.

    Watch the Jews. Learn from them. They know what they’re doing.

    Watch them, yes. Learn from them, definitely. But absolutely, under no circumstances, should you listen to them, except in the way a cop listens to a skel or a snitch.

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    Jews deporting blacks. Reminds me of how the USA and Europe denied holocaust victims an escape to the west.
     
    No. They are economic migrants, who paid thousands of dollars to Bedouin to be smuggled into Israel, while they were already being hosted in a safe country (Egypt). They came for higher wages - not because of persecution. And they are (if the plan actually happens) being deported to countries in which they will be safe.
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  62. @Jus' Sayin'...
    This brings back traumatic memories of the year I spent in East Orange, in the early middle 1970s, as the city began its decline from a pleasant White suburb to a mostly Negro hellhole. When I first got to East Orange there was a pleasant and well-stocked urban supermarket. Then, a few months after my arrival, I noticed the appearance of Negroes, openly stealing and vandalizing as they "shopped". Before I left the market shut its doors but first not before newly arrived Negroes had trashed the place into a shambles. When I first arrived I felt comfortable walking along Prospect Street, a main drag, at any time of the day. By the time I left Negro harassment might occur at any time. To anyone who has not experienced it, the rapidity with which an influx of the Negro underclass can destroy a neighborhood or city is incomprehensible. The Oranges were once renowned for the quality of their schools. My guess is they began a steady decline starting at about the time I left.

    I’m from Essex County, NJ, and the decline of the Oranges started before that. At least in the late 1960s. Route 280 ran from Newark to Parsippany and the blacks in the Oranges had to move out of the way, plus the 1968 riot in Newark.

    Ethnic Italians seems to be the last to abandon a formerly white town. They’re more aggressive plus, ahem, the boys keep the peace.

    East Orange was a wealthy suburb in the 1930s. Drive by some of the older elegant apartment buildings. Certainly not built for the future Section 8 crowd.

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  63. @Moses
    Racial separation.

    Problem solved.

    Imagine the incredible things Blacks will achieve when Whites are no longer holding them down in racist school systems.

    Our host with the most, Steven Sailer, has pointed out that even affluent black neighborhoods have lousy schools, e.g., Prince Georges County in Maryland.

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  64. Ed says:
    @Anon
    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?
    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    The problem with blacks is that we want the signifiers of success without actually doing the work to get it.

    I’m surprisingly baffled how many blacks think that uneven outcomes is proof positive of discrimination.

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    Millions of white women vote Democrat due to the rhetoric of the "pay gap".
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  65. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The main difference between Israel and the US is not only that Netanyahu wants to crack down hard on Israel’s illegals. It’s that the leader of the Left wing opposition agrees with him. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/238313

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    Only because he realizes now that they will never get elected again without appearing to be moving to the center. The Left in Israel has moved further and further to the post-Zionist left, the longer it's been out of power.
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  66. Maj. Kong says:
    @Ed
    The problem with blacks is that we want the signifiers of success without actually doing the work to get it.

    I’m surprisingly baffled how many blacks think that uneven outcomes is proof positive of discrimination.

    Millions of white women vote Democrat due to the rhetoric of the “pay gap”.

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  67. fnn says:
    @Svigor

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don’t take their cues from the New York Times editorial board, nor do many of the more recent Jewish emigrants from the former Soviet Union who came in the 1990s-though their children might be a different story. The latter often have social views on blacks and whatnot that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it is the Israelis who tend to also have more nuanced/pragmatic views on historical anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.)
     
    For the anti-Gentile Jews here: yes, we know; diaspora Jews do what's good for the Jews in the diaspora (kill white ethnonationalism in its crib, forever; push leftism), and Israeli Jews do what's good for the Jews in Israel (practice Jewish ethnonationalism; reject leftism). Different strategy, same goal: what's good for the Jews. It's a real riddle, wrapped inside an enigma; who ever heard of tailoring strategy and tactics to the unique circumstances being faced?

    It looks a lot like a "hive-mind," * once you understand that the two groups get along famously. This is why Israel and Israeli Jews come first in diaspora Jewry's "help and support" list, and last on their Culture of Critique priority list, despite the fact that this should be reversed, if one takes either group's politics at face value (protip: don't). And why Israeli Jews so readily trust and depend on such a group.

    * (do Jews call armies, institutions, voting blocs, etc., "hive-minds"; or is this one of those tendentious terms that only pops up when it's Jews being critiqued?)

    It's very interesting how the ethnonationalist, leftism-rejecting Israelis make no attempt to bring the ethnonationalist-hating (well, they hate the white kind, anyway; the Jewish kind is hunky-dorey) diaspora Jews around. And how the leftist, ethnonationalist-hating diaspora Jews make no attempt to bring the Israeli Jews around. Despite the fact that your own kind is the obvious place to start at that sort of thing. I mean if you can't sell your own family on your product, you're probably not much of a salesman, right?

    Unless, maybe, you know your product is harmful, and would never let people you care about anywhere near it...

    My favorite part of this conversation is the Ground Hog Day aspect; there's always a Jew around who has either yet to hear the myriad counterarguments to his Jewish Cultural Boilerplate, or is willing to pretend he has never heard them.

    * (do Jews call armies, institutions, voting blocs, etc., “hive-minds”; or is this one of those tendentious terms that only pops up when it’s Jews being critiqued?

    They might have stolen the term from Joseph Sobran:

    http://www.sobran.com/hive/beforeHive.shtml

    Before the Hive
    (Reprinted from SOBRAN’S
    August 2001, page 3-5)

    Over the past twenty years I’ve often written about
    “the Hive” — my nickname for the informal body of
    opinion comprising liberals, socialists, outright
    Communists, and various other strains of “progressive”
    opinion.

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  68. dmitry says:
    @Anonymous
    The main difference between Israel and the US is not only that Netanyahu wants to crack down hard on Israel’s illegals. It’s that the leader of the Left wing opposition agrees with him. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/238313

    Only because he realizes now that they will never get elected again without appearing to be moving to the center. The Left in Israel has moved further and further to the post-Zionist left, the longer it’s been out of power.

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  69. Dmitry says:
    @Svigor
    Jews deporting blacks. Reminds me of how the USA and Europe denied holocaust victims an escape to the west.

    “Infiltrators?!”

    “Well, you said no human is illegal, so…”

    Israel badly needs some tikkun olam.
     
    Jews didn't go with "heal thyself" for obvious reasons. The subtext of "heal the world" seems to be "and make sure all your meddling is directed outward, and well away from the Tribe."

    Illegal infiltrators. I like that. A good, solid Sapir-Whorfian term.
     
    While I have to thank the Jews for the label "infiltrator," we should also observe the AP Style Guide's admonition that no human being is illegal.

    They're "criminal infiltrators." Thanks AP! Thanks Jews!

    In diversity America we’re all Jews now. Act like it.

    Watch the Jews. Learn from them. They know what they’re doing.

     

    Watch them, yes. Learn from them, definitely. But absolutely, under no circumstances, should you listen to them, except in the way a cop listens to a skel or a snitch.

    Jews deporting blacks. Reminds me of how the USA and Europe denied holocaust victims an escape to the west.

    No. They are economic migrants, who paid thousands of dollars to Bedouin to be smuggled into Israel, while they were already being hosted in a safe country (Egypt). They came for higher wages – not because of persecution. And they are (if the plan actually happens) being deported to countries in which they will be safe.

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  70. Moses says:
    @George
    "Watch the Jews. Learn from them. "

    I am glad to see you on your first steps to enlightenment. Here are some links to start you on your journey.

    The Complete Tanach with Rashi's Commentary
    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/63255/jewish/The-Bible-with-Rashi.htm

    Albert Einstein wants you to study the Talmud

    The scientific organization and comprehensive exposition in accessible form of the Talmud has a twofold importance for us Jews.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/224157/the-babylonian-talmud-is-now-available-for-free-online-in-english-and-hebrew

    Thank you George for the kind links.

    Jewish religious doctrine, although fascinating, is not my main interest. I’m more keen to observe (and emulate) how Jews create a strong in-group orientation and obtain positions of privilege living as aliens in an ostensibly hostile society. That would be useful for my group as we become a minority in Diversity America.

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  71. Dmitry says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.

    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.

    Having a population that is able to speak good English, opens a lot of economic opportunities for companies (and nations as a whole). It improves your economic chances, and it’s why there’s a big push in Israel at the moment to improve the quality of the population’s English.

    However, for day-to-day reading, writing and speaking, the public in Israel are obsessed with the Hebrew language. It’s why they are lot less concerned with what people in the West think about them, than most people in the West seem to imagine.

    Most antisemitic conspiracy theories and positions seem quite bizarre from a Hebrew-speaking perspective. Especially considering the average Israeli is (by Western standards) quite working class, working 6 days a week, serving in the army, while being condemned non-stop in Western media and EU funded NGOs – these Zionist conspiracies theories propagated by wealthy people on college campuses in Norway and California come across as surreal. Along with the endless stuff about being racist, when it’s a multi-ethnic country where half the population has light-brown skin and is intermarrying the other half with white-skin.

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    You don't even have to speak Hebrew - all of the negative stuff said about Israel comes across as preposterous to anyone who has actually been there, looked around, and has a modicum of common sense.

    Israel somehow manages to be exactly the opposite of how its detractors on both the Left and the Right imagine it to be. Or perhaps more precisely, Israel's detractors on both the Left and the Right somehow manage to get everything exactly incorrect. It is comical.
    , @Moses
    We can learn from the Israelis. They are not shy or apologetic about protecting their interests. Outstanding, unwavering frame.

    The Israelis I've worked with have been some of the most blunt, direct people I've ever met. They don't care a bit if they offend you. I admire that.
    , @Wulf
    Big straw man here. Well done.

    Zionist conspiracy theories... *eyesrolling*

    Do you mean that Israel just popped out of nowhere in 1948, spontaneously like a mushroom, in what use to be Palestine... without a well organized international effort?

    Why are you trying to mix influencers and Jewish leaders - zionist movers and shakers, most of them Jewish - with average Jews and Israelis?

    What anti-semitic zionist conspiracy theories are you talking about?

    Do you mean perhaps the "conspiracy" that states that the zionist lobby aka Israel lobby aka Jewish lobby is mainly responsible for the US invasion of Iraq? Well apart from this one not involving average Jews and Israelis, not counting the few hundreds working as shills in forums and comment sections trying to convince everyone nothing of the sort never happened, that is... but I digress.

    Returning to this war in Iraq "conspiracy", two reputable professors of Political Sciences and International Relations, from the universities of Chicago and Harvard did actually confirm this "conspiracy" in a widely circulated and well researched 2006 paper. According to those two professors, and I quote:


    Within the US, the main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the [Israeli right wing party] Likud
     
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

    What other eye rolling "conspiracy theories" , involving average Jews and Israelis are you talking about?

    Is there any *at all* involving average Jews and Israelis?

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  72. @Cato

    Israel tacitly recognises the Sudanese and Eritreans cannot be returned to their dangerous homelands, so it has signed deals with Rwanda and Uganda, which agree to accept departing migrants on condition they consent to the arrangement
     
    These countries accept the migrants in return for cash payments. Not too different from the agreement Australia once made with Papua New Guinea. We (and the Europeans) could make a deal like that--send to Haiti, for example, all the wretched refuse trying to reach our teeming shore. It would definitely lift up the lamp by our clos-ed door.

    I read an article recently that maintained that the supposed dangers of Eritrea are almost entirely fabricated as part of an unspoken understanding between the government and the “refugees” because Eritrea’s economy is propped up be “refugee” remittances.

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    I read the same article. The supposed refugees return to their country soon after they’ve secure a European passport. Showing off their comparative wealth. Western whites are being hustled.

    Countries should pull out of Geneva Accords.
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  73. Svigor says:

    No. They are economic migrants, who paid thousands of dollars to Bedouin to be smuggled into Israel, while they were already being hosted in a safe country (Egypt). They came for higher wages – not because of persecution. And they are (if the plan actually happens) being deported to countries in which they will be safe.

    Like that would stop diaspora Jews, if it was Whites doing it, instead of Jews.

    There were probably lots of places for Jewish refugees to escape to. I don’t remember them complaining about being locked out places other than cushy rich countries full of whites.

    Most antisemitic conspiracy theories and positions seem quite bizarre from a Hebrew-speaking perspective. Especially considering the average Israeli is (by Western standards) quite working class, working 6 days a week, serving in the army, while being condemned non-stop in Western media

    That’s a lie, or a delusion. A laughable one.

    Along with the endless stuff about being racist, when it’s a multi-ethnic country where half the population has light-brown skin and is intermarrying the other half with white-skin.

    The supposed diversity of Israeli Jews is another lie/delusion. They’re less diverse than Europeans, that’s for sure, and Europeans ARE NOT DIVERSE, according to Jews.

    America is a lot more diverse than Israel (no, 1% black is not “just as diverse” as 13% black; the proportions matter – Jews really do try this “how stupid is the goyim I’m talking to, let’s find out” BS), and the left (Jews are overwhelmingly leftist) calls America a racist country.

    Jewish brains just shut down when it comes to their own back yards.

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    The supposed diversity of Israeli Jews is another lie/delusion. They’re less diverse than Europeans, that’s for sure, and Europeans ARE NOT DIVERSE, according to Jews.

    America is a lot more diverse than Israel (no, 1% black is not “just as diverse” as 13% black; the proportions matter – Jews really do try this “how stupid is the goyim I’m talking to, let’s find out” BS), and the left (Jews are overwhelmingly leftist) calls America a racist country.
     

    No, Israeli is incredibly ethnically diverse. Again it's clear you have not been there. Take a plane from Saint Petersburg to Tel Aviv. You step on the plane - we are all pale shaded - step off the plan at Ben Gurion - it is all kinds of people of different shades and origins.

    There were probably lots of places for Jewish refugees to escape to. I don’t remember them complaining about being locked out places other than cushy rich countries full of whites.
     
    Not really, they went to the whichever country they could escape to and not be murdered - whether that was China, or the UK, US, Australia, or even Japan. And they were refugees. The article is speaking about economic migrants who were safe and paid thousands of dollars to Bedouin smugglers to get them from Egypt to Israel, where they send most of their income to their family back home.
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  74. Svigor says:

    Jews are the most leftist group in the world. This has long been the case, going back to long before 1948. You’d think that Israel would be a petri dish of radical leftism, but nope, it’s the opposite.

    This is because Jews’ leftism is not genuinely held. Duh. It’s just another flavor of “this is good for the Jews.” Jews shed things like leftism. They don’t shed “is it good for the Jews?”

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    If you don't believe that leftist Jews' leftism is sincerely held, you are completely detached from reality.
    , @kaganovitch
    "Jews are the most leftist group in the world. This has long been the case, going back to long before 1948. You’d think that Israel would be a petri dish of radical leftism, but nope, it’s the opposite."

    Israel actually was a petri dish of Leftism for the first 30 or so years of the state.
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  75. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Imagine, just imagine that if the Italian government, to name but one, had the balls to just do a *tithe*of what the Israelis are doing.
    Just imagine the apoplexy emanating from the EU Commissariat, to name just one source.

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  76. Maj. Kong says:

    And the Labor Party is in agreement:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/238313

    Imagine a UK Labour Party that sounded like the Israeli one!

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  77. Ed says:
    @Cloudbuster
    I read an article recently that maintained that the supposed dangers of Eritrea are almost entirely fabricated as part of an unspoken understanding between the government and the "refugees" because Eritrea's economy is propped up be "refugee" remittances.

    I read the same article. The supposed refugees return to their country soon after they’ve secure a European passport. Showing off their comparative wealth. Western whites are being hustled.

    Countries should pull out of Geneva Accords.

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  78. @Anon
    "We should all be ashamed?"


    So, if I do my homework and study for the exam and pass the grade and if another kid goofs around and flunks out, both of us should be ashamed?

    Was I supposed to study and take the test for both of us?

    We have had that problem in the US for decades, and it is as much the fault of Progressive Education as “diversity.” I remember teachers in my mostly middle-class suburb trying to turn everything into group work. Cheating was rampant.

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    Agreed. The chief lesson of "group work" was to teach some people that they would have to do all the work if anything was to get done, and to teach others that they could slide by if they so desired.

    So, in a way, it was good training for the modern workplace. Just not the way that was intended.

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  79. @Steve Sailer
    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.

    In New Testament days, Coine was the business dialect, from late Roman times til well into the Renaissance, Latin was the legal and scholarly language, French became the courtly tongue after the Norman invasion and remained so in Tolstoy’s Russia.
    People have tried to establish a universal language before– Esperanto is one of the best-known–but the yobs will continue speaking the current vernacular, unless some traditionalists start a campaign to preserve Welsh or Catalan or whatever.
    Remember, when conquerors want to wipe out a culture, one of the things they do is try to eliminate the language. The backlash to that has so far protected the world from Newspeak.

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    Soros is a native speaker of Esperanto.
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  80. @Svigor

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don’t take their cues from the New York Times editorial board, nor do many of the more recent Jewish emigrants from the former Soviet Union who came in the 1990s-though their children might be a different story. The latter often have social views on blacks and whatnot that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it is the Israelis who tend to also have more nuanced/pragmatic views on historical anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.)
     
    For the anti-Gentile Jews here: yes, we know; diaspora Jews do what's good for the Jews in the diaspora (kill white ethnonationalism in its crib, forever; push leftism), and Israeli Jews do what's good for the Jews in Israel (practice Jewish ethnonationalism; reject leftism). Different strategy, same goal: what's good for the Jews. It's a real riddle, wrapped inside an enigma; who ever heard of tailoring strategy and tactics to the unique circumstances being faced?

    It looks a lot like a "hive-mind," * once you understand that the two groups get along famously. This is why Israel and Israeli Jews come first in diaspora Jewry's "help and support" list, and last on their Culture of Critique priority list, despite the fact that this should be reversed, if one takes either group's politics at face value (protip: don't). And why Israeli Jews so readily trust and depend on such a group.

    * (do Jews call armies, institutions, voting blocs, etc., "hive-minds"; or is this one of those tendentious terms that only pops up when it's Jews being critiqued?)

    It's very interesting how the ethnonationalist, leftism-rejecting Israelis make no attempt to bring the ethnonationalist-hating (well, they hate the white kind, anyway; the Jewish kind is hunky-dorey) diaspora Jews around. And how the leftist, ethnonationalist-hating diaspora Jews make no attempt to bring the Israeli Jews around. Despite the fact that your own kind is the obvious place to start at that sort of thing. I mean if you can't sell your own family on your product, you're probably not much of a salesman, right?

    Unless, maybe, you know your product is harmful, and would never let people you care about anywhere near it...

    My favorite part of this conversation is the Ground Hog Day aspect; there's always a Jew around who has either yet to hear the myriad counterarguments to his Jewish Cultural Boilerplate, or is willing to pretend he has never heard them.

    US Jews who want to bring more Muslims to the US must have a suicide wish. They’ve been targeted same as Christians at San Bernardino and France, etc.
    I suspect they don’t want to be seen as intolerant, so they keep it to themselves if they don’t want more Muslims, in case somebody says, “What about when YOUR ancestors tried to get in?”

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  81. @Anon
    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?
    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?

    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    That is my hometown and my old high school. Columbia High School, Maplewood, NJ. Also serves South Orange. I was one of the white kids in all top tracked AP classes. That’s the high school where Lauryn Hill came from, Elisabeth Shue, and Zach Braff. It’s where Garden State was filmed.

    It’s also where a notorious alt-right figure Mike Peinovich aka Mike Enoch went to school. All my peers are horrified by that guy. I have zero memory of him. I also have never read him as an adult. I prefer the more reasonable, intelligent version of the alt right like Steve Sailer or Ilana Mercer or Victor Davis Hanson or Peter Thiel or Alain Finkielkraut or and less guys like that who look closer to a Richard Spencer type.

    The ethnic mix has shifted some in the last 20 years, but not that much. They opened a train line with direct service to Manhattan, so much of that city is housing for people who work in Manhattan.

    Food tourism wise, if you ever go to South Orange, make sure to try the New Jersey Sloppy Joe at Town Hall Deli. It’s a very unique sandwich. People pay top dollar to have those shipped around the nation.

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  82. @Jus' Sayin'...
    This brings back traumatic memories of the year I spent in East Orange, in the early middle 1970s, as the city began its decline from a pleasant White suburb to a mostly Negro hellhole. When I first got to East Orange there was a pleasant and well-stocked urban supermarket. Then, a few months after my arrival, I noticed the appearance of Negroes, openly stealing and vandalizing as they "shopped". Before I left the market shut its doors but first not before newly arrived Negroes had trashed the place into a shambles. When I first arrived I felt comfortable walking along Prospect Street, a main drag, at any time of the day. By the time I left Negro harassment might occur at any time. To anyone who has not experienced it, the rapidity with which an influx of the Negro underclass can destroy a neighborhood or city is incomprehensible. The Oranges were once renowned for the quality of their schools. My guess is they began a steady decline starting at about the time I left.

    I’m from that area.

    East Orange and Newark were places to avoid. They were notoriously dysfunctional, high poverty+crime, and yes, strong ethnic black majorities.

    South Orange and West Orange are mostly nice cities. They have some poor areas and some very wealthy areas and had black areas and white areas. Neighboring Livingston, NJ was mostly wealthy too.

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  83. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dumbo
    Incidentally: Swedish woman deported from Israel for being Christian convert?

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.823740

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Swedish-daughter-of-Holocaust-survivor-faces-deportation-from-Israel-514734

    Not only are they going to deport her, but they are going to revoke her parents’ status as a holocaust survivor…………………..I have no son! You are dead to me!

    On that page, I also noticed this link:

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Daughter-of-US-ambassador-to-Israel-makes-Aliyah-502451

    The daughter of U.S. Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is immigrating to Israel.

    So,………………which country does Ambassador Friedman really represent?

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  84. gs says:

    The reason that Israel is not leftist is because it has so long been under siege. The west has lived so long without a direct challenge to its existence that it has become weak. If the enemies of Israel wanted to destroy it, all they need to do is leave it alone in prosperity until it too grows weak.

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  85. Mr. Anon says:

    Meanwhile, in this country:

    Federal judge blocks Trump’s executive order to cut funding to ‘sanctuary’ cities

    Apparently, the President is not chief executive of the government. That role is now filled by whatever federal judge thinks he deserves the job that day.

    Of course, the federal government is entirely within its’ rightful authority to pull funding from (so-called) sanctuary cities. Federal dollars usually come with the proviso that the funds are contingent on the recipient obeying federal laws.

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  86. Mr. Anon says:
    @nebulafox
    I don't trust Netanyahu any further than I can throw him, but I'll give him credit where credit is due for showing a backbone on this. It's no wonder the Poles, Czechs, and Hungarians all are inviting in Israeli advisors to prevent further migrant flows. Though Modi is doing one further. The guards at the Pakistani and Bangladeshi borders have orders to shoot immediately now.

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren't an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don't take their cues from the New York Times editorial board, nor do many of the more recent Jewish emigrants from the former Soviet Union who came in the 1990s-though their children might be a different story. The latter often have social views on blacks and whatnot that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, it is the Israelis who tend to also have more nuanced/pragmatic views on historical anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.)

    I don’t trust Netanyahu any further than I can throw him, but I’ll give him credit where credit is due for showing a backbone on this.

    And yet he criticized (then, candidate) Trump when he (Trump) proposed suspending the immigration of muslims into the U.S. So why did he do that? What business is it even of his?

    (And to the anti-Semites here: believe it or not, Jews aren’t an ideological hive mind. The Israelis certainly don’t take their cues from the New York Times editorial board,….

    That is a ridiculous mis-characterization of reality. Are you suggesting that the New York Times wants non-jewish immigration into Israel? Often times, the same people who advocate unlimited immigration into the U.S. also advocate highly restrictive immigration policies for Israel. It is not some kind of inconsistency – it is all of a piece. I guess that noticing such things makes one an “anti-semite”.

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  87. Mr. Anon says:
    @IHTG
    FWIW, the word that's being translated to "infiltrator" here - מסתנן - doesn't have quite as negative a connotation in Hebrew. Although it does literally mean "infiltrator", as used it conveys something closer to "trespasser".

    FWIW, the word that’s being translated to “infiltrator” here – מסתנן – doesn’t have quite as negative a connotation in Hebrew. Although it does literally mean “infiltrator”, as used it conveys something closer to “trespasser”.

    You mean that in Hebrew the concept “infiltrator” doesn’t have such a bad connotation?

    Interesting. Why is that, I wonder?

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  88. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    Truly, Israel is a light unto the nations.

    We would do well to emulate her actions.

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  89. biz says:
    @Svigor
    Jews are the most leftist group in the world. This has long been the case, going back to long before 1948. You'd think that Israel would be a petri dish of radical leftism, but nope, it's the opposite.

    This is because Jews' leftism is not genuinely held. Duh. It's just another flavor of "this is good for the Jews." Jews shed things like leftism. They don't shed "is it good for the Jews?"

    If you don’t believe that leftist Jews’ leftism is sincerely held, you are completely detached from reality.

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  90. EdwardM says:
    @Dan Hayes
    An offer they can't refuse: "to be imprisoned or leave the country."

    Those will any sense will choose imprisonment, knowing that they’ll get released — complete with amnesty and welfare — the time a Labor or cuck government comes in.

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  91. biz says:
    @Anon
    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?
    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    WTF, That part about the new school district policy being that it is now entirely up to students and their parents to decide who enrolls in honors / AP classes and who doesn’t. Are we even trying to be a serious country anymore?

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  92. biz says:
    @Dmitry

    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.
     

    Having a population that is able to speak good English, opens a lot of economic opportunities for companies (and nations as a whole). It improves your economic chances, and it's why there's a big push in Israel at the moment to improve the quality of the population's English.

    However, for day-to-day reading, writing and speaking, the public in Israel are obsessed with the Hebrew language. It's why they are lot less concerned with what people in the West think about them, than most people in the West seem to imagine.

    Most antisemitic conspiracy theories and positions seem quite bizarre from a Hebrew-speaking perspective. Especially considering the average Israeli is (by Western standards) quite working class, working 6 days a week, serving in the army, while being condemned non-stop in Western media and EU funded NGOs - these Zionist conspiracies theories propagated by wealthy people on college campuses in Norway and California come across as surreal. Along with the endless stuff about being racist, when it's a multi-ethnic country where half the population has light-brown skin and is intermarrying the other half with white-skin.

    You don’t even have to speak Hebrew – all of the negative stuff said about Israel comes across as preposterous to anyone who has actually been there, looked around, and has a modicum of common sense.

    Israel somehow manages to be exactly the opposite of how its detractors on both the Left and the Right imagine it to be. Or perhaps more precisely, Israel’s detractors on both the Left and the Right somehow manage to get everything exactly incorrect. It is comical.

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  93. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Those two images are connected. Those chain-smoking Left Bank intellectuals came up with radical theories that deconstructed the meaning of the West and France. As such, France became an ‘idea’ and test-lab for social experimentation. The result is the pic on the right.

    French could always enjoy theory without the actual practice.

    They could glorify Stalinism without having to live under it.
    They could romanticize Maoism without having to live under it.

    But the May 68 theories were put into place with massive colonization and anti-white PC.
    Theory has become reality, and the French cannot just throw this one out like it did with Stalinism and Maoism.’

    Bad theories are harmless if indulged as theories. But when applied, the damage can be irreverisble.

    This Christmas, Paris is about the Jungle, not the Jingle.

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  94. @Steve Sailer
    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.

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    Hmmmm...is this sorta like the Jews of Europe reviving (or re-inventing) a long-dead language called Hebrew in order to qualify themselves as the biblical "chosen people" and justify their claim to Palestine?
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  96. Dmitry says:
    @Svigor

    No. They are economic migrants, who paid thousands of dollars to Bedouin to be smuggled into Israel, while they were already being hosted in a safe country (Egypt). They came for higher wages – not because of persecution. And they are (if the plan actually happens) being deported to countries in which they will be safe.
     
    Like that would stop diaspora Jews, if it was Whites doing it, instead of Jews.

    There were probably lots of places for Jewish refugees to escape to. I don't remember them complaining about being locked out places other than cushy rich countries full of whites.

    Most antisemitic conspiracy theories and positions seem quite bizarre from a Hebrew-speaking perspective. Especially considering the average Israeli is (by Western standards) quite working class, working 6 days a week, serving in the army, while being condemned non-stop in Western media
     
    That's a lie, or a delusion. A laughable one.

    Along with the endless stuff about being racist, when it’s a multi-ethnic country where half the population has light-brown skin and is intermarrying the other half with white-skin.
     
    The supposed diversity of Israeli Jews is another lie/delusion. They're less diverse than Europeans, that's for sure, and Europeans ARE NOT DIVERSE, according to Jews.

    America is a lot more diverse than Israel (no, 1% black is not "just as diverse" as 13% black; the proportions matter - Jews really do try this "how stupid is the goyim I'm talking to, let's find out" BS), and the left (Jews are overwhelmingly leftist) calls America a racist country.

    Jewish brains just shut down when it comes to their own back yards.

    The supposed diversity of Israeli Jews is another lie/delusion. They’re less diverse than Europeans, that’s for sure, and Europeans ARE NOT DIVERSE, according to Jews.

    America is a lot more diverse than Israel (no, 1% black is not “just as diverse” as 13% black; the proportions matter – Jews really do try this “how stupid is the goyim I’m talking to, let’s find out” BS), and the left (Jews are overwhelmingly leftist) calls America a racist country.

    No, Israeli is incredibly ethnically diverse. Again it’s clear you have not been there. Take a plane from Saint Petersburg to Tel Aviv. You step on the plane – we are all pale shaded – step off the plan at Ben Gurion – it is all kinds of people of different shades and origins.

    There were probably lots of places for Jewish refugees to escape to. I don’t remember them complaining about being locked out places other than cushy rich countries full of whites.

    Not really, they went to the whichever country they could escape to and not be murdered – whether that was China, or the UK, US, Australia, or even Japan. And they were refugees. The article is speaking about economic migrants who were safe and paid thousands of dollars to Bedouin smugglers to get them from Egypt to Israel, where they send most of their income to their family back home.

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  97. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Aren’t Syria and Libya perfect examples of the horrors of Open Borders.

    With border security compromised or non-existent, all sorts of terrorists and mercenaries flowed in to turn the nation upside down.

    America’s main crime in the Middle East was subverting border security. With Syria no longer controlling its borders, lunatics could enter from all sides.

    Nationhood and rule of law are impossible with open borders.

    Open Borders are Broken Borders. It’s Jericho without the wall.

    Nations must operate on the basis of distrust. Trust must be negotiated from distrust.

    When naive trust is the basis of nationhood, it’s like a honor system… that eventually breaks down.

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  98. @Anon
    OT Sailer-bait: What does a rich liberal NJ town do when it starts running out of white kids and 20 years of trying to close the gap ends up in failure?
    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/11/south_orange_maplewood_racial_achievement_gap.html#incart_river_home

    A couple of weeks ago, the Boston Globe ran a ‘concerned’ piece about racial strains in York, PA, for a series titled “Disrupted America.”

    A year after Trump’s election, York, Pa., is forever changed

    Meanwhile, up the road in Harrisburg:

    At least 45 Pennsylvania teachers resign in just three months due to student violence and those that remain are ‘begging’ for help from school board

    Could it be that the Deplorables of York don’t want more of what’s ailing Harrisburg, where even the Nice White Ladies are bailing?

    Harrisburg Education Association (HEA) President Jody Barksdale:

    … and see what we can put together to actually help these children that are displaying these atypical behaviors.

    Atypical? These ‘educators’ aren’t learning much. Show me a class picture and I’ll tell you if the mayhem is “atypical” or not.

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  99. And in other pronouncements from On High, the aptly named bisexual Charles Blow in the NYT tells us that rubbing your penis against people is wrong. You have been warned

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-york-times-writer-to-men-rubbing-your-penis-against-people-at-work-is-wrong/article/2641232

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  100. ltravail says:

    Really enjoy the comments section here at Unz. Remarkable that wit is found only in the “alt-right” forums these days, it would seem.

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  101. ltravail says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    See?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5102791/Thanksgiving-tribe-reclaims-language-lost-colonization.html

    Hmmmm…is this sorta like the Jews of Europe reviving (or re-inventing) a long-dead language called Hebrew in order to qualify themselves as the biblical “chosen people” and justify their claim to Palestine?

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    Or using "Palestine," the Roman designation for the occupied Philistines, to describe people who were Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, or just "Arabs" before the 1960s.
    , @Jimi Shmendrix
    Hebrew "long-dead"? That would come as a surprise to the people who used it daily to study and pray for millennia.
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  102. Melendwyr says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.

    That’s a stupid thing for Dyson to have said. The issue isn’t whether people speak a global language, the issue is how many different ‘mother tongues’ the world has. If everyone learns to speak one language as their primary, any cognitive vulnerabilities or assumptions built into the language affects everyone. If there are lots of different native languages, and then people learn Globalspeak, that vulnerability largely goes away.

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  103. Rosie says:
    @Wilkey
    How do the open borders whack jobs in Congress square these two facts:

    1. The United States cannot be allowed to adopt an Israeli-style immigration policy because that policy is racist.

    2. The United States should continue to send Israel over $3 billion/year in foreign aid.

    If I propose reducing legal immigration and enforcing laws against illegal immigration I am a racist. And if I propose eliminating US aid to Israel, even if it's on the grounds of objecting to their immigration policy, I am also a racist.

    I dare an American politician to use the term "illegal infiltrator." Democrats, of course, love to pretend to be anti-Israel when it suits them, so that wouldn't work. The proper place to use it would be in front of open borders Republican - perhaps Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham or Sheldon Adelson.

    That is the 3 billion dollar question that they will not allow to be asked, because the only answer is that Jews deserve a future, and Whites do not, because we are the cancer of human history, which must be excised for the good of all the world.

    They would rather not go there just yet.

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  104. Svigor says:

    Not really, they went to the whichever country they could escape to and not be murdered – whether that was China, or the UK, US, Australia, or even Japan. And they were refugees. The article is speaking about economic migrants who were safe and paid thousands of dollars to Bedouin smugglers to get them from Egypt to Israel, where they send most of their income to their family back home.

    The narrative seems to be that the Jews were trapped, because denied entry in USA/Euro country x. But you’re not trapped if you have countries you can go to, so why the narrative? Were they denied entry to every country in, say, North and South America? If not, WTF is the complaining about?

    Aren’t Syria and Libya perfect examples of the horrors of Open Borders.

    With border security compromised or non-existent, all sorts of terrorists and mercenaries flowed in to turn the nation upside down.

    America’s main crime in the Middle East was subverting border security. With Syria no longer controlling its borders, lunatics could enter from all sides.

    NPR interviewed someone on Iran right after the bombing there a while back. They said it was the first serious terrorist attack in Iran in ages, and that this was down to Iran’s excellent border security (NPR guy’s words). They quickly moved on to other subjects.

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  105. IHTG says:
    @Mr. Anon

    FWIW, the word that’s being translated to “infiltrator” here – מסתנן – doesn’t have quite as negative a connotation in Hebrew. Although it does literally mean “infiltrator”, as used it conveys something closer to “trespasser”.
     
    You mean that in Hebrew the concept "infiltrator" doesn't have such a bad connotation?

    Interesting. Why is that, I wonder?

    Haha, careful now, Edward Sapir was a Jew too!

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  106. @ltravail
    Hmmmm...is this sorta like the Jews of Europe reviving (or re-inventing) a long-dead language called Hebrew in order to qualify themselves as the biblical "chosen people" and justify their claim to Palestine?

    Or using “Palestine,” the Roman designation for the occupied Philistines, to describe people who were Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, or just “Arabs” before the 1960s.

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  107. @International Jew
    The Israeli supreme court will see to it that this removal scheme never happens.

    If so, that is really disappointing. The article does say that they were able to deport 20k so far, hopefully the rest will follow.

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  108. Svigor says:

    No, Israeli is incredibly ethnically diverse. Again it’s clear you have not been there. Take a plane from Saint Petersburg to Tel Aviv. You step on the plane – we are all pale shaded – step off the plan at Ben Gurion – it is all kinds of people of different shades and origins.

    Israel is a lot less diverse than the USA (but Jews calling USA racist is much bigger occupation than Jews calling Israel racist, despite Israel being 100% Jews’ business, much moreso than America is). It’s busy being “incredibly diverse” in the shade. The overwhelming majority of Israel’s diversity was received involuntarily, by way of the natives. Even then, it’s not all that diverse; Jews and Palestinians are genetically about as far apart as Irishmen and Frenchmen.

    By Jews’ own standards, Jews aren’t diverse. If an Irishman and a Greek aren’t diverse, Jews got nothing. We could talk about black Jews, but they aren’t really Jews, and there aren’t enough of them to really count as a demo anyway.

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  109. Moses says:
    @Dmitry

    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.
     

    Having a population that is able to speak good English, opens a lot of economic opportunities for companies (and nations as a whole). It improves your economic chances, and it's why there's a big push in Israel at the moment to improve the quality of the population's English.

    However, for day-to-day reading, writing and speaking, the public in Israel are obsessed with the Hebrew language. It's why they are lot less concerned with what people in the West think about them, than most people in the West seem to imagine.

    Most antisemitic conspiracy theories and positions seem quite bizarre from a Hebrew-speaking perspective. Especially considering the average Israeli is (by Western standards) quite working class, working 6 days a week, serving in the army, while being condemned non-stop in Western media and EU funded NGOs - these Zionist conspiracies theories propagated by wealthy people on college campuses in Norway and California come across as surreal. Along with the endless stuff about being racist, when it's a multi-ethnic country where half the population has light-brown skin and is intermarrying the other half with white-skin.

    We can learn from the Israelis. They are not shy or apologetic about protecting their interests. Outstanding, unwavering frame.

    The Israelis I’ve worked with have been some of the most blunt, direct people I’ve ever met. They don’t care a bit if they offend you. I admire that.

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  110. Wulf says:
    @Dmitry

    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.
     

    Having a population that is able to speak good English, opens a lot of economic opportunities for companies (and nations as a whole). It improves your economic chances, and it's why there's a big push in Israel at the moment to improve the quality of the population's English.

    However, for day-to-day reading, writing and speaking, the public in Israel are obsessed with the Hebrew language. It's why they are lot less concerned with what people in the West think about them, than most people in the West seem to imagine.

    Most antisemitic conspiracy theories and positions seem quite bizarre from a Hebrew-speaking perspective. Especially considering the average Israeli is (by Western standards) quite working class, working 6 days a week, serving in the army, while being condemned non-stop in Western media and EU funded NGOs - these Zionist conspiracies theories propagated by wealthy people on college campuses in Norway and California come across as surreal. Along with the endless stuff about being racist, when it's a multi-ethnic country where half the population has light-brown skin and is intermarrying the other half with white-skin.

    Big straw man here. Well done.

    Zionist conspiracy theories… *eyesrolling*

    Do you mean that Israel just popped out of nowhere in 1948, spontaneously like a mushroom, in what use to be Palestine… without a well organized international effort?

    Why are you trying to mix influencers and Jewish leaders – zionist movers and shakers, most of them Jewish – with average Jews and Israelis?

    What anti-semitic zionist conspiracy theories are you talking about?

    Do you mean perhaps the “conspiracy” that states that the zionist lobby aka Israel lobby aka Jewish lobby is mainly responsible for the US invasion of Iraq? Well apart from this one not involving average Jews and Israelis, not counting the few hundreds working as shills in forums and comment sections trying to convince everyone nothing of the sort never happened, that is… but I digress.

    Returning to this war in Iraq “conspiracy”, two reputable professors of Political Sciences and International Relations, from the universities of Chicago and Harvard did actually confirm this “conspiracy” in a widely circulated and well researched 2006 paper. According to those two professors, and I quote:

    Within the US, the main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the [Israeli right wing party] Likud

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

    What other eye rolling “conspiracy theories” , involving average Jews and Israelis are you talking about?

    Is there any *at all* involving average Jews and Israelis?

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    Within the US, the main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the [Israeli right wing party] Likud

     

    There's no similarity between neo-conservative ideology and the Likud, beyond some over-lap of interests.

    Neo-conservatism is an Anglo-American ideology based around the belief in spreading democracy around the world, with the US as a role-model. It's a chain of thought which goes back to people like Woodrow Wilson.

    In Hebrew there is nothing like this, and the official positions would see the spread of democracy as a form of regional instability. In Israel, the government is usually better at managing relations with authoritarian states - the Muslim world turning democratic would be something of a disaster, as it is easier to manage the Arab elites, who often have a better attitude towards Israel than the Arab street.

    Unlike the US (which emerged from the Age of Enlightenment) - the mentality that created Israel was late-19th century nationalism. As expected of a country with a different heritage, there is no strain of 'neo-conservative' style thoughts in Israel and these ideas are quite alien to the public at large or even the intelligentsia, from a Hebrew language perspective.

    The one politician in Israel, who knows how to adopt American mindsets, is Netanyahu, who spent a lot of formative years in America and understands very well the American ideology. But his main voting base are Hebrew and Russian-speakers, and he won't win many votes talking about the supreme value of turning the Muslims into democracies.

    Despite being a literate guy, his actual policies are more similar to a guy like Trump (who reached these views by being illiterate and not reading books).


    Returning to this war in Iraq “conspiracy”, two reputable professors of Political Sciences and International Relations, from the universities of Chicago and Harvard did actually confirm this “conspiracy” in a widely circulated and well researched 2006 paper. According to those two professors, and I quote:
     
    I don't take the 'appeal to authority' of American professors very seriously. I trust more the average taxi-driver, than some egghead in Harvard.

    This said, the Israel lobby has clearly been important in maintaining US military aid to Israel, by making it seem as a bi-partisan way to support allies and win votes from Jews and religious Christians. But when the president wants to do a foreign policy project they see as important and which is in contrary to Israel's interests (i.e. Obama on Iran) - the Israel Lobby is exposed as being powerless. In other words, once a president sees the interests of the US as being different from those of Israel - as Obama did on Iran - they can throw the Israel lobby aside like a rag-doll (and even most American Jews will go along with it, although the Christians actually seemed to give a stronger opposition).

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  111. @Svigor
    Jews are the most leftist group in the world. This has long been the case, going back to long before 1948. You'd think that Israel would be a petri dish of radical leftism, but nope, it's the opposite.

    This is because Jews' leftism is not genuinely held. Duh. It's just another flavor of "this is good for the Jews." Jews shed things like leftism. They don't shed "is it good for the Jews?"

    “Jews are the most leftist group in the world. This has long been the case, going back to long before 1948. You’d think that Israel would be a petri dish of radical leftism, but nope, it’s the opposite.”

    Israel actually was a petri dish of Leftism for the first 30 or so years of the state.

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    As the old saying goes, a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. I suspect Israel was that liberal...until 1956 or so.

    But they keep getting mugged. A smarter sort would leave the neighborhood.
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  112. Eagle Eye says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.

    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    Freeman Dyson is probably on to something.

    Anyone who speaks and reads another language knows that conventional thoughts and conventions, the range of acceptable topics in different social situations, etc. can be quite different from one language and country to another. This is particularly striking when comparing Indo-European languages such as English and French with non-European languages.

    It is quite conceivable, under a weak Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, that accidents of social conventions, pre-existing terminology and concepts, availability of information in one or other language culture inhibits or enables mental leaps and associations. Diversity of linguistic and material cultures may in the aggregate prove crucial in dicey situations for all mankind.

    An interesting phenomenon is that where traditional crafts (e.g. pottery, woodworking) have developed largely independently in different cultures, historical technical differences persist, and the corresponding vocabulary for materials, tools, processes etc. can be strikingly at variance between comparable cultures.

    By contrast, where technologies developed in parallel and in a situation of mutual communication (e.g. electronics, steel production), technical terms typically are either borrowed directly from the dominant language (English) or translated 1:1 from the inventing language.

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    Many years ago (so don't ask me for a link or cite) I read about a study of Japanese women married to American men, living in the US. They were more or less bilingual, but when asked the same set of questions in Japanese and English, they consistently gave different answers, usually along the lines of English answers being "consider my own needs first" vs Japanese answers being "consider the needs of my family first"...
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  113. @ltravail
    Hmmmm...is this sorta like the Jews of Europe reviving (or re-inventing) a long-dead language called Hebrew in order to qualify themselves as the biblical "chosen people" and justify their claim to Palestine?

    Hebrew “long-dead”? That would come as a surprise to the people who used it daily to study and pray for millennia.

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  114. E e says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    In New Testament days, Coine was the business dialect, from late Roman times til well into the Renaissance, Latin was the legal and scholarly language, French became the courtly tongue after the Norman invasion and remained so in Tolstoy's Russia.
    People have tried to establish a universal language before-- Esperanto is one of the best-known--but the yobs will continue speaking the current vernacular, unless some traditionalists start a campaign to preserve Welsh or Catalan or whatever.
    Remember, when conquerors want to wipe out a culture, one of the things they do is try to eliminate the language. The backlash to that has so far protected the world from Newspeak.

    Soros is a native speaker of Esperanto.

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    Which he speaks with Forked Tongue.
    Seriously, does ANYBODY like that guy?
    , @Anonymous

    Soros is a native speaker of Esperanto.
     
    Well of course he is! Being born and raised in Esperantia and everything..
    , @Eagle Eye

    Soros is a native speaker of Esperanto.
     
    Soros seems to like this story which probably has some truth to it. However, Esperanto never had a minimal set of speakers with whom one could converse, so the extent of fluency and depth would naturally be very limited. At the same time, there is no established, shared corpus of writings as there is in Latin, Classical Greek or Hebrew.
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  115. E e says:
    @Eagle Eye

    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.
     
    Freeman Dyson is probably on to something.

    Anyone who speaks and reads another language knows that conventional thoughts and conventions, the range of acceptable topics in different social situations, etc. can be quite different from one language and country to another. This is particularly striking when comparing Indo-European languages such as English and French with non-European languages.

    It is quite conceivable, under a weak Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, that accidents of social conventions, pre-existing terminology and concepts, availability of information in one or other language culture inhibits or enables mental leaps and associations. Diversity of linguistic and material cultures may in the aggregate prove crucial in dicey situations for all mankind.

    An interesting phenomenon is that where traditional crafts (e.g. pottery, woodworking) have developed largely independently in different cultures, historical technical differences persist, and the corresponding vocabulary for materials, tools, processes etc. can be strikingly at variance between comparable cultures.

    By contrast, where technologies developed in parallel and in a situation of mutual communication (e.g. electronics, steel production), technical terms typically are either borrowed directly from the dominant language (English) or translated 1:1 from the inventing language.

    Many years ago (so don’t ask me for a link or cite) I read about a study of Japanese women married to American men, living in the US. They were more or less bilingual, but when asked the same set of questions in Japanese and English, they consistently gave different answers, usually along the lines of English answers being “consider my own needs first” vs Japanese answers being “consider the needs of my family first”…

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    Sounds perfectly reasonable that people (especially women) give the culturally expected answers in each language.
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  116. Svigor says:

    “Jews are the most leftist group in the world. This has long been the case, going back to long before 1948. You’d think that Israel would be a petri dish of radical leftism, but nope, it’s the opposite.”

    Israel actually was a petri dish of Leftism for the first 30 or so years of the state.

    Sans the left’s most sacred values: open borders and diversity. For 30 years. There’s a term for that – social nationalism, or something.

    Hebrew “long-dead”? That would come as a surprise to the people who used it daily to study and pray for millennia.

    By that metric, Latin isn’t dead.

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    Latin has had its pronunciation questioned. Classics majors claim there are diagrams to support the "wenny-widdy-wicky" routine; Church Latin singers will argue that the liturgy has been in continuous use for 2000 years (although many language have vowel shifts and plosive changes over time).

    My argument is that Church Latin is prettier, and classical pronunciation must have been horrible for morale. No wonder the Roman Empire declined and fell, having to say their words like that.
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  117. Bibi leads the way…

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  118. Dmitry says:
    @Wulf
    Big straw man here. Well done.

    Zionist conspiracy theories... *eyesrolling*

    Do you mean that Israel just popped out of nowhere in 1948, spontaneously like a mushroom, in what use to be Palestine... without a well organized international effort?

    Why are you trying to mix influencers and Jewish leaders - zionist movers and shakers, most of them Jewish - with average Jews and Israelis?

    What anti-semitic zionist conspiracy theories are you talking about?

    Do you mean perhaps the "conspiracy" that states that the zionist lobby aka Israel lobby aka Jewish lobby is mainly responsible for the US invasion of Iraq? Well apart from this one not involving average Jews and Israelis, not counting the few hundreds working as shills in forums and comment sections trying to convince everyone nothing of the sort never happened, that is... but I digress.

    Returning to this war in Iraq "conspiracy", two reputable professors of Political Sciences and International Relations, from the universities of Chicago and Harvard did actually confirm this "conspiracy" in a widely circulated and well researched 2006 paper. According to those two professors, and I quote:


    Within the US, the main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the [Israeli right wing party] Likud
     
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

    What other eye rolling "conspiracy theories" , involving average Jews and Israelis are you talking about?

    Is there any *at all* involving average Jews and Israelis?

    Within the US, the main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the [Israeli right wing party] Likud

    There’s no similarity between neo-conservative ideology and the Likud, beyond some over-lap of interests.

    Neo-conservatism is an Anglo-American ideology based around the belief in spreading democracy around the world, with the US as a role-model. It’s a chain of thought which goes back to people like Woodrow Wilson.

    In Hebrew there is nothing like this, and the official positions would see the spread of democracy as a form of regional instability. In Israel, the government is usually better at managing relations with authoritarian states – the Muslim world turning democratic would be something of a disaster, as it is easier to manage the Arab elites, who often have a better attitude towards Israel than the Arab street.

    Unlike the US (which emerged from the Age of Enlightenment) – the mentality that created Israel was late-19th century nationalism. As expected of a country with a different heritage, there is no strain of ‘neo-conservative’ style thoughts in Israel and these ideas are quite alien to the public at large or even the intelligentsia, from a Hebrew language perspective.

    The one politician in Israel, who knows how to adopt American mindsets, is Netanyahu, who spent a lot of formative years in America and understands very well the American ideology. But his main voting base are Hebrew and Russian-speakers, and he won’t win many votes talking about the supreme value of turning the Muslims into democracies.

    Despite being a literate guy, his actual policies are more similar to a guy like Trump (who reached these views by being illiterate and not reading books).

    Returning to this war in Iraq “conspiracy”, two reputable professors of Political Sciences and International Relations, from the universities of Chicago and Harvard did actually confirm this “conspiracy” in a widely circulated and well researched 2006 paper. According to those two professors, and I quote:

    I don’t take the ‘appeal to authority’ of American professors very seriously. I trust more the average taxi-driver, than some egghead in Harvard.

    This said, the Israel lobby has clearly been important in maintaining US military aid to Israel, by making it seem as a bi-partisan way to support allies and win votes from Jews and religious Christians. But when the president wants to do a foreign policy project they see as important and which is in contrary to Israel’s interests (i.e. Obama on Iran) – the Israel Lobby is exposed as being powerless. In other words, once a president sees the interests of the US as being different from those of Israel – as Obama did on Iran – they can throw the Israel lobby aside like a rag-doll (and even most American Jews will go along with it, although the Christians actually seemed to give a stronger opposition).

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    Neo-conservatism is an Anglo-American ideology based around the belief in spreading democracy around the world
     
    Well, at least you have a sense of humour..
    , @Wulf

    Neo-conservatism is an Anglo-American ideology based around the belief in spreading democracy around the world
     
    Remarkable! that has to be the most no-nonsense definition of neo conservatism I've ever read. You and the taxi driver who told you that should consider working for Wikipedia.

    Jokes aside, the paper is out there and is very well reasearched. Anyone with half a brain can understand the implications of their work, unless a taxi driver gets in the way, that is.

    Still, you have yet to answer what other conspiracy theories involving average Jews and Israelis you are talking about. Is there any at all?

    And regarding the following in your comment


    while being condemned non-stop in Western media and EU funded NGOs – these Zionist conspiracies theories propagated by wealthy people on college campuses in Norway and California come across as surreal
     
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/#comment-2087584

    Who are those "wealthy people" conspiring from college campuses in Europe and California to smear hard working Israelis forcing them to moan and whine in internet forums? Names? Links?

    What conspiracy theories against average Israelis and Jews are propagating? Details? Links?

    When did the so called Western media - which hilariously is heavily infiltrated and owned by Jewish zionists - and European NGOs start this imaginary condemnation campaign against the average, hard working and moaning Israeli?

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  119. @E e
    Soros is a native speaker of Esperanto.

    Which he speaks with Forked Tongue.
    Seriously, does ANYBODY like that guy?

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  120. @Svigor

    “Jews are the most leftist group in the world. This has long been the case, going back to long before 1948. You’d think that Israel would be a petri dish of radical leftism, but nope, it’s the opposite.”

    Israel actually was a petri dish of Leftism for the first 30 or so years of the state.
     
    Sans the left's most sacred values: open borders and diversity. For 30 years. There's a term for that - social nationalism, or something.

    Hebrew “long-dead”? That would come as a surprise to the people who used it daily to study and pray for millennia.
     
    By that metric, Latin isn't dead.

    Latin has had its pronunciation questioned. Classics majors claim there are diagrams to support the “wenny-widdy-wicky” routine; Church Latin singers will argue that the liturgy has been in continuous use for 2000 years (although many language have vowel shifts and plosive changes over time).

    My argument is that Church Latin is prettier, and classical pronunciation must have been horrible for morale. No wonder the Roman Empire declined and fell, having to say their words like that.

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  121. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Freeman Dyson has speculated that a global language would be very dangerous, the way a monoculture of a crop is vulnerable to catastrophic diseases. Diversity is more prudent.

    English is becoming the global mono-language, which is concerning.

    Speaking of English, it’s a tad troubling that the word “concerning” which was always a preposition (requiring an object) has now become an adjective in some hands. Origin: A malentendu for ‘disconcerting’ btw.

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  122. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @biz
    If you don't believe that leftist Jews' leftism is sincerely held, you are completely detached from reality.

    Svigor is correct. Leftism and any other political stance is instantly disposable when it comes to “What’s good for the Jews”.

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  123. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rosamond Vincy
    We have had that problem in the US for decades, and it is as much the fault of Progressive Education as "diversity." I remember teachers in my mostly middle-class suburb trying to turn everything into group work. Cheating was rampant.

    Agreed. The chief lesson of “group work” was to teach some people that they would have to do all the work if anything was to get done, and to teach others that they could slide by if they so desired.

    So, in a way, it was good training for the modern workplace. Just not the way that was intended.

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    Group work is also easier for teachers; fewer papers/projects to grade. My daughter had it even in one of her math courses at Virginia Tech, and it went just as you described. She hated it.
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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    A couple of weeks ago, the Boston Globe ran a ‘concerned’ piece about racial strains in York, PA, for a series titled “Disrupted America.”

    A year after Trump’s election, York, Pa., is forever changed
     
    Meanwhile, up the road in Harrisburg:

    At least 45 Pennsylvania teachers resign in just three months due to student violence and those that remain are 'begging' for help from school board
     
    Could it be that the Deplorables of York don’t want more of what’s ailing Harrisburg, where even the Nice White Ladies are bailing?

    Harrisburg Education Association (HEA) President Jody Barksdale:

    … and see what we can put together to actually help these children that are displaying these atypical behaviors.
     
    Atypical? These ‘educators’ aren’t learning much. Show me a class picture and I’ll tell you if the mayhem is “atypical” or not.

    I visited York, Pa 12 years ago, and it was about 60% third-world & african p*sshole…. sorry for the redundancy…just wanted to point out that the MSM lies as readily as most of us breathe. The sad thing is how many believe it

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  125. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dmitry

    Within the US, the main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the [Israeli right wing party] Likud

     

    There's no similarity between neo-conservative ideology and the Likud, beyond some over-lap of interests.

    Neo-conservatism is an Anglo-American ideology based around the belief in spreading democracy around the world, with the US as a role-model. It's a chain of thought which goes back to people like Woodrow Wilson.

    In Hebrew there is nothing like this, and the official positions would see the spread of democracy as a form of regional instability. In Israel, the government is usually better at managing relations with authoritarian states - the Muslim world turning democratic would be something of a disaster, as it is easier to manage the Arab elites, who often have a better attitude towards Israel than the Arab street.

    Unlike the US (which emerged from the Age of Enlightenment) - the mentality that created Israel was late-19th century nationalism. As expected of a country with a different heritage, there is no strain of 'neo-conservative' style thoughts in Israel and these ideas are quite alien to the public at large or even the intelligentsia, from a Hebrew language perspective.

    The one politician in Israel, who knows how to adopt American mindsets, is Netanyahu, who spent a lot of formative years in America and understands very well the American ideology. But his main voting base are Hebrew and Russian-speakers, and he won't win many votes talking about the supreme value of turning the Muslims into democracies.

    Despite being a literate guy, his actual policies are more similar to a guy like Trump (who reached these views by being illiterate and not reading books).


    Returning to this war in Iraq “conspiracy”, two reputable professors of Political Sciences and International Relations, from the universities of Chicago and Harvard did actually confirm this “conspiracy” in a widely circulated and well researched 2006 paper. According to those two professors, and I quote:
     
    I don't take the 'appeal to authority' of American professors very seriously. I trust more the average taxi-driver, than some egghead in Harvard.

    This said, the Israel lobby has clearly been important in maintaining US military aid to Israel, by making it seem as a bi-partisan way to support allies and win votes from Jews and religious Christians. But when the president wants to do a foreign policy project they see as important and which is in contrary to Israel's interests (i.e. Obama on Iran) - the Israel Lobby is exposed as being powerless. In other words, once a president sees the interests of the US as being different from those of Israel - as Obama did on Iran - they can throw the Israel lobby aside like a rag-doll (and even most American Jews will go along with it, although the Christians actually seemed to give a stronger opposition).

    Neo-conservatism is an Anglo-American ideology based around the belief in spreading democracy around the world

    Well, at least you have a sense of humour..

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  126. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @E e
    Soros is a native speaker of Esperanto.

    Soros is a native speaker of Esperanto.

    Well of course he is! Being born and raised in Esperantia and everything..

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  127. Eagle Eye says:
    @E e
    Many years ago (so don't ask me for a link or cite) I read about a study of Japanese women married to American men, living in the US. They were more or less bilingual, but when asked the same set of questions in Japanese and English, they consistently gave different answers, usually along the lines of English answers being "consider my own needs first" vs Japanese answers being "consider the needs of my family first"...

    Sounds perfectly reasonable that people (especially women) give the culturally expected answers in each language.

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  128. Eagle Eye says:
    @E e
    Soros is a native speaker of Esperanto.

    Soros is a native speaker of Esperanto.

    Soros seems to like this story which probably has some truth to it. However, Esperanto never had a minimal set of speakers with whom one could converse, so the extent of fluency and depth would naturally be very limited. At the same time, there is no established, shared corpus of writings as there is in Latin, Classical Greek or Hebrew.

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  129. @Anonymous
    Agreed. The chief lesson of "group work" was to teach some people that they would have to do all the work if anything was to get done, and to teach others that they could slide by if they so desired.

    So, in a way, it was good training for the modern workplace. Just not the way that was intended.

    Group work is also easier for teachers; fewer papers/projects to grade. My daughter had it even in one of her math courses at Virginia Tech, and it went just as you described. She hated it.

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  130. Brutusale says:
    @kaganovitch
    "Jews are the most leftist group in the world. This has long been the case, going back to long before 1948. You’d think that Israel would be a petri dish of radical leftism, but nope, it’s the opposite."

    Israel actually was a petri dish of Leftism for the first 30 or so years of the state.

    As the old saying goes, a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged. I suspect Israel was that liberal…until 1956 or so.

    But they keep getting mugged. A smarter sort would leave the neighborhood.

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    You want them to move here? It might be better than some of the immigrants we've been getting, but best would be holding down the numbers altogether. Do we really need more falafel stands?
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  131. @Brutusale
    As the old saying goes, a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. I suspect Israel was that liberal...until 1956 or so.

    But they keep getting mugged. A smarter sort would leave the neighborhood.

    You want them to move here? It might be better than some of the immigrants we’ve been getting, but best would be holding down the numbers altogether. Do we really need more falafel stands?

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  132. Wulf says:
    @Dmitry

    Within the US, the main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the [Israeli right wing party] Likud

     

    There's no similarity between neo-conservative ideology and the Likud, beyond some over-lap of interests.

    Neo-conservatism is an Anglo-American ideology based around the belief in spreading democracy around the world, with the US as a role-model. It's a chain of thought which goes back to people like Woodrow Wilson.

    In Hebrew there is nothing like this, and the official positions would see the spread of democracy as a form of regional instability. In Israel, the government is usually better at managing relations with authoritarian states - the Muslim world turning democratic would be something of a disaster, as it is easier to manage the Arab elites, who often have a better attitude towards Israel than the Arab street.

    Unlike the US (which emerged from the Age of Enlightenment) - the mentality that created Israel was late-19th century nationalism. As expected of a country with a different heritage, there is no strain of 'neo-conservative' style thoughts in Israel and these ideas are quite alien to the public at large or even the intelligentsia, from a Hebrew language perspective.

    The one politician in Israel, who knows how to adopt American mindsets, is Netanyahu, who spent a lot of formative years in America and understands very well the American ideology. But his main voting base are Hebrew and Russian-speakers, and he won't win many votes talking about the supreme value of turning the Muslims into democracies.

    Despite being a literate guy, his actual policies are more similar to a guy like Trump (who reached these views by being illiterate and not reading books).


    Returning to this war in Iraq “conspiracy”, two reputable professors of Political Sciences and International Relations, from the universities of Chicago and Harvard did actually confirm this “conspiracy” in a widely circulated and well researched 2006 paper. According to those two professors, and I quote:
     
    I don't take the 'appeal to authority' of American professors very seriously. I trust more the average taxi-driver, than some egghead in Harvard.

    This said, the Israel lobby has clearly been important in maintaining US military aid to Israel, by making it seem as a bi-partisan way to support allies and win votes from Jews and religious Christians. But when the president wants to do a foreign policy project they see as important and which is in contrary to Israel's interests (i.e. Obama on Iran) - the Israel Lobby is exposed as being powerless. In other words, once a president sees the interests of the US as being different from those of Israel - as Obama did on Iran - they can throw the Israel lobby aside like a rag-doll (and even most American Jews will go along with it, although the Christians actually seemed to give a stronger opposition).

    Neo-conservatism is an Anglo-American ideology based around the belief in spreading democracy around the world

    Remarkable! that has to be the most no-nonsense definition of neo conservatism I’ve ever read. You and the taxi driver who told you that should consider working for Wikipedia.

    Jokes aside, the paper is out there and is very well reasearched. Anyone with half a brain can understand the implications of their work, unless a taxi driver gets in the way, that is.

    Still, you have yet to answer what other conspiracy theories involving average Jews and Israelis you are talking about. Is there any at all?

    And regarding the following in your comment

    while being condemned non-stop in Western media and EU funded NGOs – these Zionist conspiracies theories propagated by wealthy people on college campuses in Norway and California come across as surreal

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/#comment-2087584

    Who are those “wealthy people” conspiring from college campuses in Europe and California to smear hard working Israelis forcing them to moan and whine in internet forums? Names? Links?

    What conspiracy theories against average Israelis and Jews are propagating? Details? Links?

    When did the so called Western media – which hilariously is heavily infiltrated and owned by Jewish zionists – and European NGOs start this imaginary condemnation campaign against the average, hard working and moaning Israeli?

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