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The Thousand and One Nights (a.k.a., The Arabian Nights) are a famous collection of tales from the medieval Middle East.

They are frequently organized in frame stories: Character A goes on an adventure in the middle of which his hosts ask him to tell them a story, so he begins a story about Character B who goes on an adventure, during which he is asked to tell a story about Character C and so forth. Eventually, the whole thing unwinds in reverse order with the second half of the stories about C, B, and A. (It sounds pretty sophisticated, although I haven’t noticed much actually being done with the opportunities the way a 20th Century writer like Umberto Eco or Charlie Kaufman would have played around with the opportunities afforded by these complicated structures.)

The famous outside frame story of the whole collection is about an angry King Shahryar who resolves to marry a virgin every night and chop off her head the next morning. The grand vizier’s daughter Scherezade heroically volunteers to be a bride. Each night she tells part of a story so fascinating that the sultan postpones chopping off her head so he can find out what happens tomorrow night. Eventually, after 1001 nights, he relents of the whole head-chopping plan.

But what I hadn’t known until very recently is the first part story of why the king is so angry at women. From Sir Richard Burton’s translation:

STORY OF KING SHAHRYAR AND HIS BROTHER

In the Name of Allah, the Compassionating, the Compassionate!

His name was King Shahryar, and he made his younger brother, Shah Zaman hight, King of Samarkand in Barbarian land. …

So anyway, King Shahryar sends for his kid brother, the Shah of Samarkand, to come for a visit. But as the Shah sets out,

But when the night was half-spent he bethought him that he had forgotten in his palace somewhat which he should have brought with him, so he returned privily and entered his apartments, where he found the Queen, his wife, asleep on his own carpet bed embracing with both arms a black cook of loathsome aspect and foul with kitchen grease and grime. When he saw this the world waxed black before his sight and he said: “If such case happen while I am yet within sight of the city, what will be the doings of this damned whore during my long absence at my brother’s court?” So he drew his scimitar, and cutting the two in four pieces with a single blow, left them on the carpet and returned presently to his camp without letting anyone know of what had happened.

But then it turns out his big brother the King has similar domestic problems with his wife and the black help:

But the Queen, who was left alone, presently cried out in a loud voice, “Here to me, O my lord Saeed!”

And then sprang with a drop leap from one of the trees a big slobbering blackamoor with rolling eyes which showed the whites, a truly hideous sight. He walked boldly up to her and threw his arms round her neck while she embraced him as warmly…

So that’s what sets off the whole 1001 Nights.

My vague impression is that anti-black sentiments like these play a large role in Islamic culture. But it’s not a topic that’s much discussed in the West.

 
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  1. Well, Islam is a gentle religion, unlike Christianity.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
  2. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently, the Ottoman court was rather niftily divided in labor with black and white eunuchs, with white eunuchs providing the administrative muscle, and black eunuchs being harem and palace guards etc. Rather in the manner of the Planet of the Apes trilogy in which Gorillas, Orangutans and Chimps, rather ludicrously, separately are the soldiers, ‘wise men’ and politicoes of Apedom.

    Not so much the Black and White Minstrel show, but more like the Black and White Eunuch show.

    • Replies: @Lot
  3. Paging Tiny Duck…

    • LOL: 95Theses, TWS
  4. America has a very large black population as a result of slavery.

    Muslim countries where slavery existed mostly do not seem to have large populations of black people.

    Food for thought.

  5. “(It sounds pretty sophisticated, although I haven’t noticed much actually being done with the opportunities the way a 20th Century writer like Umberto Eco or Charlie Kaufman would have played around with the opportunities afforded by these complicated structures.)”

    You could also say the same thing about Arabic numerals.

  6. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    Further (ahem) to the point, it really is surprising to the troller of sleazy websites, of the number of seemingly normal white British women who have a serious and obsessional craving for what is euphemistically termed ‘BBC’ – and no, I’m not ranting on about the British state sponsored lie factory, the alma mater of Orwell and the Ministry of Truth.

    Apparently whole ‘teams’ or ‘crews’ of dedicated BBC ‘studs’ – for some reason always typified by bald heads – exist to give willing white women their jollies at dedicated ‘parties’ such as the ‘Black Man’s Fan Club’. Ironically enough the founder female of the said ‘club’ was set on fire, with ‘lighter fuel’ by an irate melanin enriched ‘Bamboo boy’.

    A sociological and/or psychosexual phenomenon deserving proper attention. Is it a case of a revenge/daddy complex, a real craving for ‘bamboo’ or a typical snide female shot at white men?

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    , @AnotherDad
  7. The odd thing is that I DID know this. Read it somewhere years ago.

  8. stevecel says:

    No surprise there, but is or was there any culture in the world, besides our current one, that is actually Negrophilic?

  9. Oh the cuckery! What whiter than blackamoor guys don’t get is that the blackamoors are just as fearful of being cuckolded by their wives (See Othello). The difference is that they’ve learned to avoid getting married in the first place. Lots of plausible deniability if a woman you’re not married to has sex with someone else.

    • Replies: @Hegar
  10. Eventually this will come to public knowledge, and the calls from Blacks to ban 1001 Nights will be met with charges of Islamophobia from Muslims, and charges of racism from blacks, etc, ad infinitum. The energy produced by this loop of resentment will be enough to power several ski-lifts at Aspen and everyone will be happy.

    • LOL: jbwilson24
  11. ‘black cook’ I had to read that twice.

  12. It’s the fault of the damned LGBTQQIAPQWERTYUIOP crowd … they suck the air out of every issue.

  13. anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘from the medieval Middle East.’

    Hate to quibble but they are Indian stories arriving via Persia and told in an Arabic frame-style story.

  14. Anonymous[445] • Disclaimer says:

    Scheherazade.

    • Replies: @95Theses
  15. But it was their encounter with the Genie’s wife that was the last straw.

    THE TRUE* STORY OF THE 1001 ARABIAN NIGHTS

    …the two kings came to the shore of the Caspian Sea. … they lay down under a tree…They fell asleep.

    …a great…genie rose out of the Caspian Sea. The genie carried a…golden box on top of his head. …the two kings woke up .. and quickly climbed up into the branches of the tree. They were able to hide themselves…

    …When he opened the box, out stepped a beautiful young girl. The genie then lay down under the tree and went to sleep.

    The beautiful young girl walked around for a while. …she looked up into the branches of the tree.

    …”Come down this moment and be with me!”, the young girl called up to the two kings.

    “We cannot do that”, the two kings replied, “because, if that genie wakes up and finds us with you, he will kill us both.”

    The young girl stomped her foot. “Come down from there this instant…and do this thing to me, because, if you do not lay with me, I shall wake up this genie, who is my husband, and tell him that you have been bothering me. He will kill you both.”

    In fear and trembling, the two kings climbed down from the tree and lay with the young girl. They did to her everything that she demanded. When the young girl finally was fully satisfied, she said, “Well Done!” She then allowed the two kings to climb back up into the tree and hide themselves again.

    After that, the genie awoke. He put the young girl back into the beautiful golden box…and went back down into the Caspian Sea.

    …the two kings were amazed. “Look at this…And, now, this genie is far greater and more powerful than either of us. And, see, even his wife, whenever she gets the chance, does exactly the same bad thing that our wives have done. Are all women like this? Can there not be even one woman in the world who can be trusted?”

    Now, the two kings finally realized that, in all the world, there is not even one woman who can be trusted. Women are all the same. No man can trust his wife out of his sight, the two kings realized.

    …When the King of Samarkand arrived back in his home, he now realized that no woman could be trusted out of his sight, but still he needed a wife. Finally, he thought of a solution to this vexing problem. …He ordered the grand wizard to find a pure and innocent young girl to be his wife.

    …The king immediately married her. The king then spent the night with his new wife. The next morning, after the king and his new wife woke up, the king called his guards and ordered them to take his wife out and to chop off her head.

    *true [sic]

  16. Sean says:

    An examination of Rushton’s theory of differences in penis length
    and circumference and r-K life history theory in 113 populations
    Richard Lynn

    This was also observed in the Middle East in mediaeval times and was noted in the One Thousand and One Nights, the collection of stories of largely 9th century Persian origin and translated in the 19th century by the British Arabist Richard Burton (1885–1888). Several of the stories are about Persian wives who obtain sexual satisfaction with black slaves because these gave greater pleasure on account of the larger size of their penises

    “If such case happen while I am yet within sight of the city, what will be the doings of this damned whore during my long absence at my brother’s court?”

    Renowned Persian Islamic philosopher Jalal-ud-Din Muhammad Rumi (1207–1273). wrote a poem, “The Importance of Gourdcrafting”, which is all about the mistress of the house having sex with a four legged donkey.

  17. So he drew his scimitar, and cutting the two in four pieces with a single blow, left them on the carpet

    Beats marriage counselling, and much cheaper than a divorce. The only downside would be the bill for carpet-cleaning.

  18. That would mean admitting that racial awareness and racial prejudice are not unique to white people. Can’t have that, doesn’t fit the narrative …

  19. The Turks did it right: they made the schwartzes into eunuchs immediately after importing them.

  20. @Sean

    Yeah, it’s all fun and games when their numbers are small and they know their places. Not so much when they’ve overrun entire cities …

  21. People read too much into the Arabian nights. They are saucy stories much like canterbury tales written at the zenith of Arab wealth and power.
    Anyhow regarding the fears of being cucked, perhaps Arabian Nights was inspired by real practices – all black slaves taken to Iraq were castrated during the Abbasid and ummayid caliphates. Don’t know about later practices.

  22. @Sean

    Rumi himself preferred pubescent young boys.

  23. Anon[296] • Disclaimer says:

    If you count Sheherezade as Level A, I’ve gotten as low as Level D.

    Forget about racism. They are XXX rated and sexist.

    The newish 3 volume Penguin version is the one to read. The husband translated the Arabic ones and his wife translated the ones only extant in French, like Sindbad, Alladin, and Ali Baba.

    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
  24. “My vague impression is that anti-black sentiments like these play a large role in Islamic culture.”

    Pretty much all cultures that have contact with blacks have anti-black sentiments. It is only in the WEIRD West, and only very recently, that this is not overtly the case.

    “But it’s not a topic that’s much discussed in the West.”

    It [anti-black sentiments] is very discussed, but in reverse: i.e., why you shouldn’t have anti-black sentiments. See any recent issue of the NYT, for example.

    • Replies: @Jilla
  25. @Sean

    True, to the best of my knowledge. But Steve wasn’t asserting this was an Arab trait, but a general Islamic one. (I think some Arabian Nights stories also have Egyptian antecedents.)

    P.S. Wasn’t Rumi a homo-pedo?

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @bomag
    , @Sean
  26. mikemikev says:

    I think it’s pretty obvious why these sluts are so pro-immigration.

  27. JosephB says:

    With respect to ABC – CBA stories: if you’re bored, some of the chapter intros in Goedel, Escher, Bach have that flavor and are fun in a nerdy sort of way.

  28. Tiny Duck says:

    Blacks Men have always been the most desirwable men

    Most of your female acquaintances including your significant others have lusted after then

    white “men” cannot compete

    That is why white girls always vote for refugees is because they want a good husband and father

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    , @DDSJS
  29. Among leftist in the U.S. because of the Nation of Islam, Christian=White, Islamic =Black or POC. Islamist can’t hate black people(though they still enslave them in the 21st Century.

  30. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:

    I read Sailer to have some respite from tales of Big Black Cook.

  31. Jake says:

    Mohammedans castrated the vast majority of black males they brought out of black Africa.

  32. Jake says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Most are Persian, a few Kurdish, a few Indic, etc. I think the majority of the ones we know are Arabic in origin are not from the Arabian peninsula but from Arabic speaking areas such as Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, where the people had direct contact with Indo-European speakers and had local cultures shaped intellectually and artistically to a great deal by Hellenism.

    Easily the greatest work of Arabic literature is preponderantly European in cultural terms.

  33. Zoodles says:

    Western culture learned the concept of black and white from the arabs. We understood that africans had black skin, but the idea of a qualitative difference beyond that was something we got from the Arabs.

  34. Taylor Swift goes full race mixing in the video to her latest song ‘Lover’. One of the more blatant cases of elite ‘do as I say, not as I do’ moralising as in her dating career she hasn’t gone so much as near anyone with the slightest admixture of color.

    In fact she has shown a definite tendency to very middle class very white British guys of the rugby not football type. But many of her fan base might be lower middle class girls a bit on the plump side and she’s okaying them up for ‘partners of color’ I guess, their playing field being not nearly so vast as Miss Swift’s.

    Poor old Taylor’s descent in to PC madness after years of heroic resistance is probably something to do with Steve’s point about the credulousness of elites. She now probably believes this nonsense; she can certainly afford to.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    , @Alden
  35. theMann says:

    I think the point of their being Black is more “what is the most despicable way a woman could cheat”. Since no one could be 100% surprised if they caught their wife cheating with their best friend, any man in a position of power, or the most attractive man in the neighborhood, but a Black of almost non-human appearance, that would set a guy off. I would think crossing racial barriers of any sort would somehow be more transgressive than otherwise. In any case, beheading seems a bit much, maybe bend her over a barrel and give her a figging she would never forget, and it doesn’t ruin any carpets.

    Of course, there are always a certain percentage of Size Queens in the world ( I imagine they are going Robot with increasing, uhm, intensity), but if you ask women of any real sexual experience, most of them won’t have anything to do with Black guys because they are mean, @#ck too rough, and crawling with STD’s.

  36. L Woods says:

    Obviously, we white people know that women’s freedom to make such “choices” is the most wonderful thing ever. And they themselves are the most wonderful thing ever. Truly enlightened times.

  37. The more contact one has with blacks, the more likely one is to be considered “racist”.

    The white flight to the burbs and subsequent liberal guilt tripping has led people who rarely have contact with blacks (just the door man) to call those of us who choose to live near south street in philly racist. This city is full of racist Hillary voters.

  38. bomag says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Cultures that survive with some accomplishment battle against slut culture; homo culture; and pedo culture.

  39. Anon[732] • Disclaimer says:

    Didn’t the Arab slave traders have all the negro slaves castrated well before their arrival in moslem lands (while practising infanticide of the offspring of female negro slaves)?

    Was it here I read these facts, explaining the low (5% or so I seem to recall) percentage of sub-Saharan DNA in the modern Arab? (Any in modern Iranians?)

    I have often wondered if Ancient Egyptians had a Negrophobia of Nubians, or just a phobia of their invasions.

  40. Samarkand is in Central Asia (modern day Uzbekistan), so it’s highly unlikely they would have had contact with Africans. Unless perhaps it is a different Samarkand they are referring to.

  41. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Birth of a Narrative

  42. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Now, we know why Jews weaponize the Negro dong to destroy the white race with jungle fever and cuckery.

  43. NickG says:

    My understanding is that to control the risk of the black slaves getting busy with the lascivious laydees of the Levant and North Africa, that they were routinely castrated.

    Female genital mutilation no doubt made said laydeees a little less lascivious.

  44. istevefan says:

    Didn’t the muslims castrate their black male slaves?

    • Replies: @Sean
  45. El Dato says:

    Truly these are sad times when white husbands can no longer draw scimitars on their unfaithful wives and their colored partners.

    Though why would you behead a 1000 virgins? I’m exchanging that shit with multiple Epsteins.

    It sounds pretty sophisticated, although I haven’t noticed much actually being done with the opportunities…

    In the modern world, pushing problems onto and popping problems off a sheer infinite stack as well as going into narratives of rank attention deficit are no longer things that are satisfyingly rare.

  46. Sean says:
    @istevefan

    Sons the master of the house had with female black slaves could sleep with the master’s wife. Kevin MacDonald mentioned this as a way black genes had entered certain Jewish bloodlines.

    • Replies: @Seth
  47. BB753 says:

    Blacks can’t get no respect! I wonder why that is..

  48. Jilla says:
    @Almost Missouri

    So true. I was thinking the same thing. The other day I came across a song called El Africano. It’s from a Dominican singer. It’s apparently the equivalent of The Electric Slide at Dominican weddings etc. (So, very popular and mainstream). The lyrics are basically from the perspective of a young girl who is telling her mom the “negro is rabid” and trying to attack her. If even dominicans think blacks are rabid …

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anounder
  49. anon[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    There are calligraphic miniatures depicting Muslim women having sex with animals. I mean when a guy locks hundreds of horny women in a harem, everything goes…

  50. MarkinLA says:
    @Sean

    So Iranians and not Mexicans gave us the Donkey Show?

    • Replies: @Sean
  51. Sean says:
    @Almost Missouri

    The Hadith make a point of saying Mohammed was a white man.

    Also

    Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed”.
    Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad, p.375

  52. Camlost says:

    The Arabic term for slave (“abd”) is frequently applied directly to blacks within the Middle East.

    Banning the ‘slaves’ label

    Dhiab would especially like to the word “âbd” (slave) declared a discriminatory term. Iraqi law so far has been blind to this semantic discourse. “Iraqi society has always regarded the black man as a slave, and the government has made no effort to help us,” says Dhiab. “There have been white slaves in Iraq’s history but, curiously, the term “slave” is only associated with the black community,” he says.

    The use of the word “âbd” is common in Iraq and most Arab countries and is often employed or implied in a pejorative – even abusive – sense.

    “If this community has never been attacked or threatened, it does not mean that they have not suffered society’s scorn,” says Iraqi historian Raâd Jawad. Mixed marriages are virtually non-existent, and not a single black Iraqi is known on the Iraqi political scene.

    Most of the one-and-a-half to two million Black Iraqis live under difficult conditions. Some of them are like slaves, controlled by the tribe they have served for generations and whose tribal name they go by, despite the fact that slavery was banned by King Faisal of Iraq in 1924.

    The first African slaves arrived in Iraq around 860 AD. They were taken from the island of Zanzibar on Africa’s eastern coast in order to join the ranks of Abbasid caliph Jaâfar Al-Mutawakkil’s army.

    They were allowed to enroll in public schools only in the 1960s. “We have a long way to go before one of our young people becomes a leader in the country.”

    An Iraqi Obama? ‘Perhaps one day’

    The election of Barack Obama in the United States has spurred this community to push for dignity and respect. “The arrival of a black candidate at the White House is a victory for all humanity, it encourages us to continue our fight,” says Dhiab, who would like to meet Obama during a likely US presidential visit to Iraq.

    Obama’s success was hailed by Iraq’s black community, especially in the Basra province, where the community represents 15 to 20% of the population. “We celebrated his victory as if he were one of us,” says Basra resident Mohammad Jassem.

    On Jan. 20, blacks in Iraq marked Obama’s inauguration by distributing sweets in the streets…as they wait for their own “Iraqi Obama”.

    https://www.france24.com/en/20090129-iraq%E2%80%99-blacks-dream-own-obama-

  53. Given that we are working from Sir Richard Burton’s translation of this work, has anyone ever taken the effort to compare it against the original? Seems like a worthy subject for a dissertation.

    • Replies: @Tarnhelm
    , @bjondo
  54. Seth says:
    @Sean

    Sounds legit

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  55. Ryan says:

    My understanding was that references to “blacks” in the 1001 Arabian Nights was to dark skinned people from India, and not black Africans.

  56. Kirt says:

    The tales of the Arabian Nights are a collection of a lot of folk tales taken from various sources, many of them pre-Islamic. I don’t think they illustrate Islamic anti-black sentiment so much as the tendency of any culture to use ethnic stereotypes in a negative way in its folk tales. You should read what the Arabian Nights has to say about the Persians.

  57. It’s so weird how two races: SSAs & Scots-Irish inspire so much racism in everyone who comes into contact with them. So much randomly generated prejudice from uneducated bigoted inferior races like Europeans – What did they ever create – the wheel ffs, nuthin compared to gansta rap & usury!

    Maybe he can see the massive transfer of resources from Stalies to Darkies I see in my multiculti paradise. (Good post @ Heartiste Gab bout how miscegenation destroys Whites as ‘sharkskanks support TWers.). White grandparents / brothers spending time & resources on their mystery meat mongrels; I NEVER see the black relatives spending anything on these mutts!!!!

  58. Ibound1 says:

    Guarantied if someone makes a fuss, the NY Times will say that there are many versions of the Arabian Nights and some scholars believe Burton may have added the introduction. It will not matter if there are 5000 Arabic and Persian manuscripts from 900 AD with this exact wording in the introduction. They will find a “scholar” to say so, probably from Georgetown or Columbia.

  59. Elli says:

    Some of Scherazade’s tales also have blacks acting foolishly or badly.

    The whole premise, that a man could kill 1000 innocent women, the wives of a single night before Scherazade, and still have a happy ending, is revolting. Scherazade should have been a master poisoner.

    And her little sister waits at the foot of the bed for her story while the king is enjoying his wife.

  60. anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:

    My vague impression is that anti-black sentiments like these play a large role in Islamic culture.

    Lol! Just one more pathetic attempt to portray Islam in such a way, so that people will be disgusted by it, so that they will stay well clear of learning about it.

    The various Islamic “ills” which have been highlighted here and elsewhere would be; FGM, Misogyny, Racism, Terrorism, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Rape gangs, (and a hundred other).

    Pagan Polytheist Mangods-worshippers are so pathetic that their innate spiritual inferiority complexes compel them to try and counter Islam like this.

    Islam cannot be countered in this manner. Can you pagans prove logically that the following oxymoronic Monotheistic Trinitarianism, is “The Truth,” in comparison to the simple True Monotheism of Islam?

    The Trinity is the teaching that the one God of all existence, consists of three divine persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit : Monotheistic Trinitarianism

    As diametrically opposed to;

    The Tawheed is the teaching that the one God of all existence, is One and only One worthy of worship : True Monotheism

    Finally, in the Almighty One’s own words;

    Say, “He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” Holy Quran 112

    True Monotheism will conquer all. Bring it on.

  61. @Sean

    On the anti-black theme in Islamic scripture, here is a 10-minute talk on “Muhammad: The White Prophet with Black Slaves”.

  62. Precious says:
    @Sean

    Well, I guess that is one way to stop cultural appropriation.

  63. @SimpleSong

    Paging Whiskey …

    most male African slaves brought to Islamic societies were castrated, which I guess implies a pretty severe degree of phobia.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  64. Elli says:

    Two happy endings. Little sister Dunyazade gets to marry king’s little brother. Who has killed 2000 brides by that point.

    In the West, Bluebeard is a bad guy.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  65. So, the Thousand Nights and A Night Tale starts out as a black on white cuckoldry thing. That is a hoot! Ralph Peters wrote about this about 10 years ago. He said this novel is the only significant piece of literature to have come out of the Middle-east over the last 1500 years or so, and that it shows up all of the insecurities of that culture in that one tale.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  66. Buzz Mohawk says: • Website

    OT: Mass Shooting in New Mexico over the weekend. 3 Dead, 4 wounded. Obviously the work of a White supremacist.

  67. “… I haven’t noticed much actually being done with the opportunities the way a 20th Century writer like Umberto Eco or Charlie Kaufman would have played around with the opportunities afforded by these complicated structures.)”

    Complicated literary structures can be fun but often devolve into riddles while losing the narrative. The term “lost the plot” can be inserted here. The human need for stories is as essential as water. We have been wired to tell them and internalize them. Tricky structures tend to be intellectual exercises devoid of emotion.

  68. Kronos says:

    My College Library had a few 1920s era editions of 1001 Arabian Nights. Often they were translated by British academics. (These weren’t the Victorian Era editions with all the sexual stuff removed.)

    In those works the black slaves were often up to no good. Generally having a passionate sexual affair with one “lady of the household” or another. Both slave and lady were killed one way or another. This was often presented in a righteous manner.

  69. @Buzz Mohawk

    Was this another a BBQ shooting? It is so completely sane to give a demographic known for its low impulse control so much cultural power.

  70. Kronos says:
    @Elli

    But is it ever explained why Bluebeard started killing his wives in the first place?

  71. @anonymous

    “The various Islamic “ills” which have been highlighted here and elsewhere would be; FGM, Misogyny, Racism, Terrorism, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Rape gangs, (and a hundred other).”

    Would you mind listing the rest of them? I’m interested in your culture.

    • LOL: Ibound1
  72. @anonymous

    Can you pagans prove logically that the following oxymoronic Monotheistic Trinitarianism, is “The Truth,” in comparison to the simple True Monotheism of Islam?

    Pretty sure that the truth of both propositions is zero.

  73. anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jilla

    Dominican’s will tell you they aren’t black. (Though there are some dark black Dominicans.)

    In the US context where mixed people are black Dominicans are black. But in their categories they aren’t.

    Domunican’s in the DR also don’t like Haitians, and Haitians are overwhelmingly but not entirely black. (Haiti is much poorer. Haitians aren’t popular with Black and mixed people in richer English parts of the Caribbean either. I suspect these peoples aren’t prejudiced against non-black Haitians, and would probably be surprised to learn such a thing as non-black including mixed Haitians exist.)

    DR even stripped Dominicans of Haitian descent of Citizenship.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitians_in_the_Dominican_Republic
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/dominican-republic-erased-birthright-citizenship/575527/

    Good summary here –
    https://www.msuilr.org/msuilr-legalforum-blogs/2018/4/30/stripped-of-citizenship-the-dominican-republics-deportation-of-haitian-descendants

    “In 2013, the highest court in the Dominican Republic ruled that if Dominican citizens were born to parents who entered the country illegally, then those citizens did not have a proper—“regular”— immigration status.[3] Until 2010, the Constitution of the Dominican Republic recognized anyone born in the Dominican Republic as a citizen of the country.[4] Today, a child’s nationality is determined by their parent’s immigration status and not whether the child was born in the Dominican Republic.[5] More specifically, the court declared that Dominicans who had foreign ancestry and were born between 1929 and 2010 were not true Dominican nationals.[6] As a result, the government implemented a regularization plan to deport those who did not meet the standards as outlined within the court ruling.[7] This regularization plan has disproportionately and purposely left Haitian descendants stateless in their home country.[8]”

  74. @Buzz Mohawk

    Blacks really need to stop having parties.

  75. nebulafox says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Depended on what they were for. Most of the imported slave soldiers that would eventually hijack and take down the caliphate much like the Germanic peoples did the Western Roman Empire were of Turkic rather than African origin, but Africans were brought in for things like irrigating the Euphrates that would have required full-grown men, not eunuchs.

    Of course, this led to problems with slave revolts as the Abbasids declined.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion

    • Replies: @anon
  76. My understanding is that the Koran and Hadiths emphasize that Mohammed is whiteness and how great that is. They are apparently make comments repeated anti-black comments.

    Acts 17 Apologetics, linked to above, makes good videos.

    Jay Smith has recorded a lot of really good talks on the history of Islam. He did talk about the anti black sentiment recorded in their texts.

    23 minutes here contrast the atlantic and islamic slave trade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3lWjsawBFo&t=27s

    Here is an interview he did too – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqggaQ95G8w



    One interesting question is – apparently the middle east imported at least an order of magnitude more slaves from Africa than the USA did. (5 million plus vs. 600,000 or so to the USA.) So where are are all the black people in the middle east?

    Also of interest – Jay Smith has some really interesting lectures about the history of Islam. Apparently Islam has not had to withstand hundreds of years of western textual criticism. (Many Christians theologians and PhDs feel Christianity has withstood it, and I can see why.) By western standards the Koran is of dubious historical provenance. Some scholars have even gone so far as to speculate that the reality is that Islam was invented after the Arab Conquests as part of the empire building project of Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan (who built the dome of the rock with it’s clearly inscribed denunciation of Christianity.) It will be interesting to see how the internet will give Muslims access to corrosive western ideas and criticism that can corrodes Islam. (Most Muslim speakers popular on the internet don’t seem capable of engaging n rational discourse and logical criticism, their arguments are easily blown away by western trained thinkers. I think Muslims at all impressed by western style thinking and achievements tend to agree that Muslim arguments are weak.)

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Anonymous
  77. BenKenobi says:
    @Sean

    a four legged donkey

    Is there any other kind?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Sean
  78. nebulafox says:
    @Sean

    Hadiths are not that useful for historical investigation: the earliest ones come 200 years after the death of Muhammad. They are often good for understanding what Muslims grew to believe their faith was, but that’s not the same thing: at best, they were oral traditions that are passed down which might not be necessarily wholly inaccurate at the deep core level, but would have mutated like any oral tradition handed down through the years. (See Homer.) Some of them were incorporating local cultural norms into Islam-the important of cleanliness and purification in the hadiths shows the Persian Zoroastrians being absorbed is a great example-and some them were retrospectively addressing the issues of the days by invoking what Muhammad supposedly said: in the hadiths, it is not uncommon for Muhammad to comment on issues that didn’t exist in his time.

    Even Muslims at the time latently recognized this: one scholar mentioned that there was never something that a pious man would lie so much about as the authenticity of the hadith.

    The Qu’ran, on the other hand, does date authentically from Muhammad’s lifetime. It shows an awareness that the Arabs were their own people with their own faith and their own language and their own culture. But I’m not sure they really thought in terms of white or black as we’d recognize it today in late antiquity. Africans do make a brief-implied-appearance in one of the last chapters alluding the (Christian) Ethiopian invasion of Jewish Himyar decades previously under Abraha, and the subsequent occupation which would collapse under his sons. But their race isn’t really commented upon, just that they were defeated thanks to a miracle of God’s.

  79. RH says:

    Uh, I was always under the impression that her name is spelled ‘Scheherazade”, not “Scherezade”.

  80. I’ll shortly address the central issue, which is not Islamic Negrophobia, but (white, “white”) Arab & Persian animus towards black race men, supposedly because of their women’s infidelity with Africans (mostly, but not exclusively slaves).

    Also, it is about penis size.

    What can be said about the topic, and not to be dismissed as urban legend or triviality?

    It looks like most ancient cultures, except Hellenic, valued big penis size as something desirable; thought that women were insatiable & size queens; and, those in contact with Africans thought they were better endowed than the rest, mostly Europeans, Mid-Easterners & sometimes Hindus.

    But, these were opinions of men in those cultures, not of women- we simply don’t what women in those areas thought re those issues. Penis size is a typical male insecurity obsession. There is no single view on the topic, but it seems that, on purely sexual/physical plane, women are more attracted to muscularity (I’ll leave out dominance, eloquence, status or erotic magnetism some men, regardless of other traits, seem to exude, as well as female attraction to performers & entertainers (singers etc.)) than to big penis. Females will, generally, be more attracted to muscular men with smaller members than to fatsos equipped with schlongs. Size queens do exist, but they’re in the minority. That’s what most researches say.

    What about Africans & their potential desirability for other, non-black females?

    Here also reactions are divided: for their own reasons, some non-black women have black fetish (they find something very sensual in contrast of white/black skins, a peculiarity most white men simply don’t care for); some are repelled by blacks (body odor, perception of an intercourse with blacks as something close to bestiality); and yet, others are indifferent.

    Empirically, there can be no doubt that at least two traits seem to be confirmed by both research & ordinary experience: black men are sexually mature at an earlier age & engage in sexual activity more frequently, carelessly, spontaneously.. & blacks’ erotic imagination is much lower than is the case with whites, Asians, mid-easterners (blacks seem, as a group, to lag behind all others in imagination, whether in sexual techniques or pervy situations which fire erotic desire of other races). Or, to put it more precisely: it is not body contours that blacks lack, but that part of mind that is so prominent in human sexual desire, from Ars Amatoria & Kama Sutra to The Perfumed Garden of Sheikh Nefzawi.

    Is there anything to add?

    The most explicit modern “Babylonians” are Hollyweirdos. What can we conclude from informal gossip we hear about these circles, whatever we may think of them? Most highly promiscuous Hollywood females simply don’t care for black men. In current climate, miscegenation would be a major plus, or at least for a non-negligible part of them. Yet- they don’t desire blacks & virtually all Lotharios are white men(whores).

    As for black females, as Steve had noted in earlier articles, they are simply not attractive enough (with some exceptions, of course).

  81. nebulafox says:
    @amikkelsen

    >My understanding is that the Koran and Hadiths emphasize that Mohammed is whiteness and how great that is. They are apparently make comments repeated anti-black comments.

    I think that just reflects that pale skin has been linked to socioeconomic status in non-European cultures well before European colonialism came along. It worked the same in India and China. A pale skinned person clearly wasn’t breaking his or her back in the fields.

    And in the case of India, the Mughals were a conquest dynasty of Turko-Persian extraction who openly referred to the native Hindu Indians as “black” and themselves as “white”. In that case, religion and ethnicity are explicitly intertwined.

    >Also of interest – Jay Smith has some really interesting lectures about the history of Islam. Apparently Islam has not had to withstand hundreds of years of western textual criticism. (Many Christians theologians and PhDs feel Christianity has withstood it, and I can see why.) By western standards the Koran is of dubious historical provenance. Some scholars have even gone so far as to speculate that the reality is that Islam was invented after the Arab Conquests as part of the empire building project of Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan (who built the dome of the rock with it’s clearly inscribed denunciation of Christianity.)

    The ugly little truth here is that jihadis pose a problem to serious discussions about the origins of Islam beyond abstract corners of academia.

    All the same, it is interesting to speculate about. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that al-Malik just invented the notion of a new faith out of thin air, but he played the role of molding the stewing, simmering faith into something that we’d today more easily recognize, not too dissimilar to what Constantine did to Christianity. The Arabs thought they were reviving the pure faith of “Abraham the True”, their ancestor, in preparation for the coming apocalypse-and in fairness, in the 7th Century Near East, it looked like it was coming with the bubonic plague and the destructive wars between Rome and Persia. The Byzantines, for their part, thought of the new Arab conquerors as belonging to something akin to another heretical Christian sect. Nothing noticeably “Islamic” yet.

    It might also be that the notion of what a separate, full-fledged religion actually is in modern times isn’t the same thing as it what it was in 7th Century Arabia. The lines were a lot blurrier in a place where literacy and statehood was limited. In that sense, then, the conquests helped create Islam.

    >(Most Muslim speakers popular on the internet don’t seem capable of engaging n rational discourse and logical criticism, their arguments are easily blown away by western trained thinkers. I think Muslims at all impressed by western style thinking and achievements tend to agree that Muslim arguments are weak.)

    Well, leaving aside the fact that most online commentators in general aren’t capable of that… like much about the Islamic World, I believe this has more to do with conditions in Islamic countries more than the theology, per se. I don’t think the Islamic World’s state today had its origins in anything that happened in late antiquity or the Middle Ages: if it did, then Persian and Turkish mawalis wouldn’t have shaped the faith as they did. That’s my own opinion, though, I won’t claim it is authoritative. Still, I do believe that history is a far more stochastic game than people think.

    It’s interesting to live in Muslim countries and realize how many people are living a double life trying to reconcile modernity to their programmatic faith and the kind of conservative backlash this causes from official sectors of society. Humans be human.

    • Agree: Lot
  82. Precious says:
    @anonymous

    Finally, in the Almighty One’s own words;

    The Almighty One, in your case, refers to Satan.

    Say, “He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” Holy Quran 112

    We can’t trust what he says. Because as the Quran teaches, Allah is the best deceiver.

  83. Bill B. says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    Castration of black males was routine in the journey up from Africa into the Arab lands.

    The Arabs had little need of plantation labour and no reason to countenance slave families or pairings. Security was paramount in a culture obsessed with the control of loyal and virtuous females.

    I would guess the legends above are not based on anything like a normal reality.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  84. @Anonymous

    I sometimes wonder whether there are real observable differences between different European countries and other Western countries regarding the desire the female have for men of West African ancestry (of course specifically West African, it is not about skin color, very few white women fantasizes about e.g. Somalian males). So which white women have the strongest jungle fever? I have the impression that it is slightly stronger in North-West Europe than elsewhere.

  85. @BenKenobi

    There was a Capitol Hill softball league team made up of Boston-area Democrats. They called themselves Mass’s Asses.

  86. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Technically they’re not Arabic, they originated in India. Hindi numerals, however doesn’t quite have the zing as Arabic numerals. Arabia transmitted the numbers to the West, but they didn’t “invent” them.

  87. “If such case happen while I am yet within sight of the city, what will be the doings of this damned whore during my long absence at my brother’s court?”

    To which comes the response: “though this be madness, yet there is method in’t”

    Do like the way the younger brother’s thought pattern. He’s looking out for him. Gotta admire that loyalty on some level.

    Question: That the 1,001 Arabian nights main plot points were due to interracial hookups, could this have had the effect in the Middle East in the real world–to make eunuchs of the black slaves to prevent this sort of thing from occurring in the real world at the palace with the Sultan’s wive(s)?

    Kind of a chicken egg syndrome, which came first? The idea of making the slaves eunuchs or the tales that provided the impetus to prevent the hookups from occurring?

    Or perhaps there’s no direct cause and effect, but it’s interesting to entertain the idea that the idea to make the slaves that guarded royal harems into eunuchs came about due to cuckoldry at a high up level in the palace.

  88. Sean says:
    @MarkinLA

    In Iran you get a genuine show for your money. And the donkey gets paid more and has top billing, because it is difficult to find one prepared to do it.

  89. ecum says:

    As for black females, as Steve had noted in earlier articles, they are simply not attractive enough (with some exceptions, of course).

    I am a white fellow and I find Middle Eastern women the most unattractive.
    I’ve never seen one I would have sex with. They are ugly, fat and hairy

    South Asians are a close second, for the same reasons

    Black women are fine

  90. @Jon Halpenny

    America has a very large black population as a result of slavery.

    Muslim countries where slavery existed mostly do not seem to have large populations of black people.

    The difference is explained by reference to earlier comments about Muslims making eunuchs out of their male slaves. This rather obviously discouraged the slave population from procreating. If more slaves were needed, they could always be imported.

    By contrast, in the U.S., the importation of slaves was forbidden after 1808, ensuring that if the institution of slavery was to persist, existing slaves had to be encouraged to procreate. They became a sort of valuable livestock for their owners, and brought good prices.

    Lurid representations ranging from Uncle Tom’s Cabin to Django Unchained to one side, it is my impression that American slaveholders had every economic incentive to care for their slaves – and did – whereas the form of slavery under Islam much more resembled that of classical antiquity. A representative account of an ancient slaveholder is that of Vedius Pollio, who kept a pool stocked with lampreys, to which he would occasionally feed a slave that displeased him. No slaveholder of the old South would have been so great a spendthrift.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  91. @Tiny Duck

    “desirwable”, so TD is Barbara Walters or Madeleine Kahn

  92. Tarnhelm says: • Website
    @Laugh Track

    Richard Burton spiced up the (admittedly already raunchy) Nights to shock his Victorian compatriots. His version is the most well-known because of that, but not remotely the most accurate. The passages Steve is quoting more matter-of-fact and less grotesque in other translations. Check out the link for some comparisons.
    Edit: (not my website)
    http://www.wollamshram.ca/1001/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  93. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Arabs are the real racists’ or ‘Arabs are the real race-realists’.

  94. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @amikkelsen

    How can any religion be explained rationally? You either believe or you don’t.

  95. Whiskey says: • Website

    Melungeons are the descendants of escaped male slaves and White Women according to DNA analysis.

    At the time even a prostitute could marry a Merchant due to the shortage of women in the South.

    Absent frequent wars establishing a White make cohort as killers the average White man is at a serious disadvantage due to an aggression and extroversion gap.

    White society is not built for prolonged peace.

    ETA the Muslim world collapsed after the Vikings Christianized and stopped selling White slaves who unlike Africans could run complex society

    • Replies: @Bliss
  96. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    The position of Chief Black Eunuch at times was as powerful as the Grand Vizier.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizlar_Agha

  97. @Redneck farmer

    Is that why they castrated all the black slaves they imported? Gentleness?

  98. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Crawfurdmuir

    I think it might be more about manumission and the absence of a one-drop rule. The former longtime Saudi ambassador to the U.S. was the son of a female black slave and a Saudi royal, and would easily be described as black under American classification. There are also Saudi nationals who are 100% African. I don’t know if there’s accurate data on how many – it’s not as if they vote or have disparate impact policies that require that info.

  99. DDSJS says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Made sense until the last paragraph.

  100. R.G. Camara says: • Website

    To all the guys talking about blacks being castrated by the Moors…

    Please remember that most “castration” didn’t remove the ability to have sex, only the ability to reproduce. Removing the testes from a male, if done safely, only removes the ability to produce sperm, not the desire for sex. We think castration was chopping off the twig with the berries, but if you think about it that would’n’t have been good for slaves, since they would likely bleed out and now couldn’t pee, likely leading to a very short lifespan. Eunuchs usually only had their testicles removed.

    For example, in Europe for centuries there were “castrati” (singular “castrato”)—young boys who were good singers who were castrated (testes removed) before puberty, so their voices never cracked.

    As grown men, they could sing women’s opera parts and such, but with a man’s vocal power. Many rich men assumed castrati had no sexual desires and/or were gay, and so had no problem leaving their rich wives to entertain them. However, such men were often ravenously sexual and had lots of sex with these married women—but because they never gave off the fruits (i.e. out of wedlock child) , the poor husbands never new, and the women kept it quiet.

    See: https://infogalactic.com/info/Castrato

    So I guess what I’m saying is that while castration likely cut down on the number of mixed-race adulterous babies in the Muslim world, it conversely might have created a lot more cuckoldry. After all, if a bored rich woman wants to have some wild forbidden sex but get away with it, she’s much more likely to cheat when she can’t get pregnant than with someone who can get her pregnant.

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
  101. sayless says:
    @anonymous

    Seyyed Hossein Nasr has commented that it is scandalous that so many Christians and Jews have gone to the trouble of learning Arabic and the other relevant languages and can understand and write about Islam on its own terms but that there aren’t any Muslim scholars who have reciprocated with regard to either Christianity or Judaism.

    Maybe the situation has changed in the last twenty-five years.

  102. @Jon Halpenny

    There are small amounts of relatively unmixed blacks in Iraq, Oman, Turkey, and Yemen apparently. And much of Egypt outside of the major cities is “black” by American standards, as in light mulatto. Slavery was common in all those places just a century ago.

    And as for the Gulf States, I’m pretty sure their small numbers of blacks kind of mixed with the locals, like in Egypt.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  103. @Cowboy shaw

    She also released a lame pro-gay/tranny song during the endless Pride Month, as if it was somehow “edgy” when Lady Gaga and Katy Perry had already done that crap 10 years ago.

    I’ve heard her sudden attempts at a more liberal image is because she desperately wants to be in movies.

  104. J.Ross says:

    I’m sure I’ve mentioned this (but maybe it was somewhere else). Also note that, as bad as it is to be from Zanj, what is most horrible is to be sanpaku.
    Blacks were staples of entertainment for a long time because of their extreme behavior. Now we have a strange situation, where blacks certainly still are entertainment staples because of extreme behavior, but where you’re never allowed to observe this.

  105. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    … that would have required full-grown men, not eunuchs.

    Castration is the removal of the penis.
    Removal of the testes is emasculation, and was pointless for slaves, since they were required for their strength.

  106. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Both this story structure and the Arabic numerals are stolen from Hindu India. The Panchatantra is hundreds of years older than the Arabian Nights and is suspected to have provided much of its inspiration. Recursion is very characteristic of much Hindu storytelling and philosophy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  107. Ian Smith says:

    There was a big revolt by black slaves in medieval Iraq:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion

    It’s leader was like a cross between John Brown and Paul Atreides.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  108. Alden says:
    @Cowboy shaw

    She was probably threatened with destruction of her career if she didn’t advocate liberal anti White politics. Next she’ll go to Israel and kiss the Roman retaining wall.

    • Agree: Cowboy shaw
  109. V. Hickle says:

    Speak of Scheherezade, Renniassance is on tour this autumn, albeit with Annie Haslam the only original member

    https://www.keswicktheatre.com/events/detail/374102

  110. @Sean

    Jalal-ud-Din Muhammad Rumi = I mull a durum hadji madman.

    By the way, of the 81 state names in the United States and Mexico, the only one with an Islamic origin is California. However, there are three Californias, which is almost 4% of states’ names.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexican_state_name_etymologies

  111. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Recursion is very characteristic of much Hindu storytelling and philosophy.

    Yet, Hindu computer science never embraced LISP and other highly recursive environments, that seems to have been a largely Jewish thing.

    For those wanting to give it a try:

    Like watching Monroe (or, Michelle Pfeiffer in Scarface ) working two roles deep, but backwards and in high heels.

  112. Gene Su says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    And yet so many black Americans are switching to Islam…

    In a century or so, Muslims will be spared the effort of enslaving black Africans after they willing convert and become their voluntary servants and soldiers.

  113. Cato says:

    Michael Levin, the philosopher, has written about the medieval Arab attitude toward sub-Saharans in his book “Why Race Matters.” Levin points out that the Romans, the Arabs, and more recent observers, all had a similar view of blacks, as “brutal, unintelligent, and over-sexed.” Such similar views, by different cultures, in different time periods, suggests that the the stereotype is most likely correct.

  114. Bliss says:
    @Whiskey

    the Muslim world collapsed after the Vikings Christianized and stopped selling White slaves

    Where did you learn that the Muslim world “collapsed” at that point? It’s a racially self-aggrandizing falsehood like much of the bloviating here.

    After the vikings, jews and tatars became the providers of Northern European slaves to southern Islamic lands. The Barbary pirates of North Africa captured another million white slaves from as far away as Iceland. The Ottomans got their millions of white slaves from the Slavic peoples. Note that the very word slave is derived from the word Slav….

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  115. J.Ross says:
    @Tarnhelm

    But Burton’s footnotes in his complete edition are well worth a look by themselves.

  116. Bliss says:
    @S. Anonyia

    And much of Egypt outside of the major cities is “black” by American standards

    They are the ones closest to the ancient Egyptians. In the north there are descendants and part-descendants of invading or immigrating Greeks, Romans, Turks, Caucasians, Arabs, Persians, Jews etc and numerous white european slaves (saqaliba):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqaliba

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @MimiR
  117. @Seth

    Sounds legit

    What’s “legit” about incest and adultery?

    • Replies: @Sean
  118. @Anonymous

    This is minoritarianism hijacking female hypergamy, to wreak destruction.

    By any stanrdard white men have been “the Man” for the last 500 years. They did this through intelligence, cooperation, cohesion, organization, discipline, creativity.

    In a normal–sane–society, essentially no normal white woman–even the not-too-brights–would want anything other than a white man. And especially a British woman, as British men have been some of the world’s biggest BSDs.

    But with minoritarianism, white gentile men are purposefully demeaned. White men’s incredible world striding success is instead repurposed into “oppression” and an indictment against them. And at the atavatistic level … they don’t look like big successes. Afterall, if they were such big success … why are they being demeaned? In fact, why are black men even here invading their white nations in the first place?

    So stripped of the normal societal appreciation of British white guys as the men who got it, and get it done–are responsible for the nation’s success–white guys are just sort of ho-hum and “on their own”. Most white women have enough sense of the underlying reality of white guy superiority–even without the social confirmation. But especially for the dumber white girls, black guys–lacking the civilizationally useful traits, but with their typical black guy “hustle them into the bushes” skill set–can seem more masculine as well as “exotic” and “special” hence desirable.

    Minoritarianism is a toxic brew. Demeaning white guys to lower their status as mates for white women is one of its core avenues of fracturing–family and hence social bonds–and balkanizing white nations.

  119. OFWHAP says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Modern endocrinology would suggest that the castrati’s much-vaunted sexual prowess was more the stuff of legend than reality – in addition to lacking a hormonal (but not a socio-psychological) sex drive, a castrato’s remaining genitalia will not develop in size.

    From the same article you posted.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  120. Neoconned says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I didn’t even know there was a large black population in New Mexico…

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @R.G. Camara
  121. @Anon

    I’m a huge fan of the Nights and, yes, they’re absolutely filthy–pornographic even. They’ve actually been banned in some Islamic countries as obscene.

  122. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    Believe it or not, genetic analysis of ancient Dynastic period Egyptian mummies shows them to be more related to modern European populations, especially Sardinians, than to any living Egyptians. Subsaharan admixture since ancient times has heavily skewed the genotypes of extant Egyptians.

  123. Peter Frost says: • Website

    Burton translates the idea of the original text, but his style of language is more explicit. Ancient writers often used euphemisms when speaking about sex, and these euphemisms can be incomprehensible to modern readers.

    References to BBC are actually quite common in ancient texts from the Mediterranean and the Middle East, including The Bible:

    Ezekial 16
    25 At every street corner you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty, spreading your legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by. 26 You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians, your neighbors with large genitals, and aroused my anger with your increasing promiscuity.

    Ezekial 23

    19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

    The Hebrews tended to use the terms “Egypt” and “Egyptians” in a loose sense to encompass Nubia and Nubians, much like the term “Moor” in the Middle Ages. The Egyptians were perceived as a dark-skinned Other, and the Nubians were seen as an even darker version. This isn’t surprising, since Nubia was a province of Egypt for much of Antiquity and was a source of recruitment for Egyptian soldiers.

    • Replies: @Anounder
    , @Bliss
  124. ‘…My vague impression is that anti-black sentiments like these play a large role in Islamic culture. But it’s not a topic that’s much discussed in the West…’

    Anti-black sentiments are the usual consequence of actual contact with actual blacks. You should see how Europeans look at blacks on subways, buses, and trains and in the street now. You can feel the loathing.

    Incidents come to mind from Spain, France, Germany, and Italy. And of course we just love ’em the bestest here in the US. It seems to be universal.

  125. M. Murcek says:

    So, like algebra, astronomy, medicine and so on (we are told by the usual suspects) arabs invented the Mandingo story too…

  126. “My vague impression is that anti-black sentiments like these play a large role in Islamic culture. But it’s not a topic that’s much discussed in the West.”

    Well, Steve, then your impression would be wrong.

    Really interesting how your based-in-reality point of view of American culture loses its bearing when you consider things with which you have no experience.

    Get out of your comfort zone. Visit an Islamic country–Malaysia, Indonesia, Dubai, UAE, Qatar.

    Clearly, based on your fantasia here, you’ll be surprised.

    A bit of help in understanding what you call “Islamic culture.” You’re conflating culture, religion, nationality, ethnicity. This is usually also conflated with language. But rest easy, you’re not alone!

    The Arabian Nights is NOT “Islamic” culture. It is “Arab” culture. And a specific flavor of Arab culture. There are various “Arab cultures” and sub-cultures, which have varied through time and history. Not all of which would recognize themselves in the Arabian Nights culture.

    Blacks have been Muslims from the beginning of the religion. And are a huge component of the Islamic population now. (Unfortunately, the issue is muddied, especially in the USA, by the strange cult of Black Muslims–Louis Farrakhan, et al. Their beliefs, featuring a space-ship, and black Americans being “chosen,” are NOT in keeping with Islamic beliefs).

    As seen in the video below, 25% of recent Hajj pilgrims came from 4 African nations.

    • Replies: @MimiR
  127. Anounder says:
    @theMann

    More or less. Interracial is shilled to anger/annoy White men. The White Man, whether he admits to it or not, sees the Negro as filthy, savage, a lower intellect. Seeing a Negro fucking a White Woman is like seeing a donkey do it. The Negro serves as a modern noble savage in the vein of the Redskins.

    Even prostitues, escorts, and porn stars avoid Negroes when they can, and the first only do scenes with them for extra cash:

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wnwawq/james-deen-is-pissed-off-about-racism-in-the-porn-industry

    “Today I’m working, casting a scene for jamesdeen.com,” he told me, “I let the performers know who they’ll be working with and an agent tells me, ‘She doesn’t do interracial porn.’”

    This is a situation Deen has encountered before when casting and directing porn. He explains to me that female performers frequently agree to do a scene and then back away when they discover that he plans to have them on camera with a person of color.

    “It’s irritating and disgusting and annoying. And It creates a huge problem with casting,” he says. “I end up in these situations with agents where I’m trying to plan a scene and I have to say, ‘Okay, one girl will be having sex with all the men and one girl will only have sex with the white men,’ because there are women who have never had sex with a black man on camera and want to be paid $500 extra for it, as if it’s a chore. It’s racist and it’s belittling and it’s keeping me from making a good product and it’s hurting good performers like Mickey Mod.”

    • Replies: @JMcG
  128. Anounder says:
    @theMann

    More or less. Interracial is shilled to anger/annoy White men. The White Man, whether he admits to it or not, sees the Negro as filthy, savage, a lower intellect. Seeing a Negro fucking a White Woman is like seeing a donkey do it. The Negro serves as a modern noble savage in the vein of the Redskins.

    Modern Jews see the Negro as a kindred spirit for his focus on crass wealth and vulgarity. Both share a focus on women’s thighs and buttocks/body filth over their faces.

    Even prostitues, escorts, and porn stars avoid Negroes when they can, and the first only do scenes with them for extra cash:

    vice.com/en_us/article/wnwawq/james-deen-is-pissed-off-about-racism-in-the-porn-industry

    “Today I’m working, casting a scene for jamesdeen.com,” he told me, “I let the performers know who they’ll be working with and an agent tells me, ‘She doesn’t do interracial porn.’”

    This is a situation Deen has encountered before when casting and directing porn. He explains to me that female performers frequently agree to do a scene and then back away when they discover that he plans to have them on camera with a person of color.

    “It’s irritating and disgusting and annoying. And It creates a huge problem with casting,” he says. “I end up in these situations with agents where I’m trying to plan a scene and I have to say, ‘Okay, one girl will be having sex with all the men and one girl will only have sex with the white men,’ because there are women who have never had sex with a black man on camera and want to be paid $500 extra for it, as if it’s a chore. It’s racist and it’s belittling and it’s keeping me from making a good product and it’s hurting good performers like Mickey Mod.”

  129. Anounder says:
    @theMann

    More or less. Interracial is shilled to anger/annoy White men. The White Man, whether he admits to it or not, sees the Negro as filthy, savage, a lower intellect. Seeing a Negro fucking a White Woman is like seeing a donkey do it. The Negro serves as a modern noble savage in the vein of the Redskins.

    Modern Jews see the Negro as a kindred spirit for his focus on crass wealth and vulgarity. Both share a focus on women’s thighs and buttocks/body filth over their faces.

    Even prostitues, escorts, and porn stars avoid Negroes when they can, and the first only do scenes with them for extra cash:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/pornography-has-a-big-race-problem-2015-9

    “Today I’m working, casting a scene for jamesdeen.com,” he told me, “I let the performers know who they’ll be working with and an agent tells me, ‘She doesn’t do interracial porn.’”

    This is a situation Deen has encountered before when casting and directing porn. He explains to me that female performers frequently agree to do a scene and then back away when they discover that he plans to have them on camera with a person of color.

    “It’s irritating and disgusting and annoying. And It creates a huge problem with casting,” he says. “I end up in these situations with agents where I’m trying to plan a scene and I have to say, ‘Okay, one girl will be having sex with all the men and one girl will only have sex with the white men,’ because there are women who have never had sex with a black man on camera and want to be paid $500 extra for it, as if it’s a chore. It’s racist and it’s belittling and it’s keeping me from making a good product and it’s hurting good performers like Mickey Mod.”

  130. BB753 says:
    @anonymous

    I admit that Roman Catholicism comes out as a bit sketchy about the Holy Trinity. Is Jesus God? Filioque? WTH?

    But Greek Orthodox theology is simpler to understand, even for Muslims. Remember, Islam is a dumbed-down form of monotheism, as such, it admits no subtleties like the following Orthodox explanation of the Trinity:

    “In the Orthodox Church we confess that these three are not three competitive gods, divided, and separated from each other. On the contrary we believe that the Father, who is the Source of all that exists, always has His Son and His Spirit who are not creatures, Who were not made like everything and everyone else, but Who exist eternally with Him; from, in and by His very own divine being.

    Thus what God the Father is, the Son and the Holy Spirit also are, namely: eternal, perfect, good, wise, holy, timeless, spaceless… divine and worthy of the title GOD.

    We believe as well that each of the three divine persons is divine in his own unique way, yet always living and acting in the perfectly absolute unity of the divine truth and love. Thus the Three are one not only because what they are is one and the same, but because their divine union allows of no separation or duality or division whatsoever.”

    Islam: monotheism for dummies.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  131. Anounder says:
    @Peter Frost

    Your Amerifat/Anglo degeneracy is obvious.

  132. BB753 says:
    @Neoconned

    It’s that crazy blue meth that’s attracting them to NM. Lol!

  133. Anounder says:
    @Jilla

    Mestizos and Castizos who aren’t infected with Anglo/Amerifat degeneracy don’t care much for Negroes at best.

  134. Anounder says:
    @Bill B.

    They (legends) aren’t. They symbolize female treachery/degeneracy by having the wife let herself be claimed by someone who’d be seen as shameful. Leave it to Anglos/Amerimutts to jam into it into their Negro Worship.

  135. JMcG says:
    @Anounder

    Good people die every day and that guy still draws breath. What a world.

  136. @anonymous

    the simple True Monotheism of Islam

    Really? What about the ‘uncreated, co-eternal’ Quran?

    Ask your imam about that conundrum and how to reconcile an ‘uncreated’ Quran with monotheism!

    At least the Christian Trinity makes sense. Worshiping a book as God is not only moronic, it’s also logically inconsistent.

  137. nebulafox says:
    @BB753

    Islam came out of the murky Judeo-Christian millieu of the 7th Century Near East. In Arabia, the kinds of synthetic sects which weren’t tolerated in Byzantium anymore could seek refuge. Among them would have been Jewish-Christian sects (the Ebionites, for example) of the kind that would have been found commonly in the decades after the crucifixion, that would have been considered perfectly acceptable to the millenarian new community that Muhammad* was the founder of.

    Of course, there were other sects as well that were not acceptable at all: and who also believed stuff like a female Holy Spirit that would have been considered downright heretical in Constantinople. This gets to the point about the environment that Islam took off in: the kind of Christians Muhammad would have known, both the ones he would have accepted into his community or the one he would have denounced as bound for eternal fire as not really monotheists, were not mainstream in Rome.

    (Or, if you are a really hardcore skeptic, the figure that the Arabs would later base Muhammad off of. I personally think that Occam’s Razor along with tangential Byzantine sources suggests that he existed, and there’s no denying the absolute basic core of his biography-merchant turned monotheistic prophet-leader and apocalyptic-does fit in well with the times, but it’s not something I care about enough to debate.)

    >Islam: monotheism for dummies.

    Ha! I’ll give the Muslims this, their notion of God as one unitary being is far less ridiculous than ours. Christianity was a heavy-handed attempt to mix Greek philosophical and religious notions-including divine heroes-with Judaism. Melding such opposites together produced some beauty and a lot of nonsense.

    If Marcionism had succeeded…

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @MimiR
    , @Anonymous
  138. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @OFWHAP

    Eh, the citation for that point is nonexistent, and, indeed, points to countervailing evidence.

    In any event, my point was about encouragement of non-marital sexual liasons, not whether the liasons were good or whether the male was well-endowed. Furthermore, how many men throughout history have gotten sex by bragging about their sexual organs and prowess, only to disappoint?

  139. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @Neoconned

    Didn’t Richard Pryor make a joke about being in jail in Phoenix, and how their were no blacks in Arizona but the jail was full of them, so they must’ve had to bus those brothers in to fill up the jail?

  140. BenKenobi says:
    @Bliss

    a racially self-aggrandizing falsehood

    WE

  141. Talha says:
    @nebulafox

    I’ll give the Muslims this, their notion of God as one unitary being is far less ridiculous than ours.

    I was perusing this thread and came across this.

    I meet converts to Islam from Christianity all the time – all the time. Has anyone here met a convert from Islam to Christianity in person? Most go hyper-Poz atheist. One of the major issues (among others) is that the core concept of the Trinity doesn’t make sense to them. Maybe it makes sense to others, but the fact that a core doctrine of a religion is its Achilles’s Heel is the issue.

    For instance, you can couch stuff in subtle terms all you want, but there are internal contradictions:
    “…we believe that the Father, who is the Source of all that exists, always has His Son and His Spirit who are not creatures, Who were not made like everything and everyone else, but Who exist eternally with Him; from, in and by His very own divine being.”

    So, can I interchange Father, Son and Spirit in that formula? Can I say:
    “…we believe that the Son, who is the Source of all that exists, always has His Father and His Spirit who are not creatures, Who were not made like everything and everyone else, but Who exist eternally with Him; from, in and by His very own divine being.”

    If you cannot, then this implies subordination, no matter how hard you try to escape from it. You can call it a mystery if you like, but there it is.

    “…each of the three divine persons is divine in his own unique way, yet always living and acting in the perfectly absolute unity of the divine truth and love. Thus the Three are one not only because what they are is one and the same…”

    So – are they unique or are they one and the same? Make up your mind please. Again, go ahead an call it a mystery if you like.

    Keep in mind, this is not polygamy or no-pork or something – this is core, heart-of-the-matter doctrine that one’s eternal fate supposedly rests upon. And if it doesn’t, then who cares – toss it out the window. James White stated that he estimates that half or more of Evangelical Christians would get the understanding wrong on the core concept of the Trinity (skip to 7:19):

    If one was to survey the Orthodox laymen, what would their understanding be? Which official heresy would they end up inadvertently siding with without knowing the name?
    http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/kwhthd_ancntheresies_july05.asp

    Islam: monotheism for dummies.

    Meh.

    Now, I don’t really post on Sailer’s threads so he may or may not publish this. Feel free to respond, but don’t expect a response back because I’m not interested in debating the issue, I just wanted to put this out there for anyone interested.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  142. MimiR says:

    Um. Dude. That’s the TIP of the iceberg in the Arabian Nights. That book is literally OBSESSED with black penises and the animalistic nature and appearance of black men. There’s a reason they made their black male slaves into eunuchs.

  143. MimiR says:
    @nebulafox

    If you read the hadiths, the milieu isn’t all THAT murky. You find out that some Christian missionaries had come through the region a long time ago, “performing miracles” according to the memories of the locals (who said to Muhammad as recorded in the hadiths, “the Christians made big claims, but they also worked miracles–where are your miracles???”). But it was a total backwater, so the area suffered from a telephone-game sort of Christianity. Muhammad, for instance, thought that the trinity meant the Father, the Son, and…Mary. That’s very, very clear from the Quran. The Quran thinks the 3rd person of God is Mary. Maybe the locals did, too, because one of Muhammad’s followers became Christian when they went to Abyssinia and he found out what a semi-orthodox Christianity actually WAS, and he basically said, “You guys are blind–now I can see the truth.” (Also recorded in the hadiths.)

    Muhammad was also familiar with some quirky Jewish and Christian folktales/folk beliefs at the time that were never accepted as scriptural by any authority anywhere–not even some remote sect. They were folktales and no more.

    The Jewish tribes lived apart from other people in their own towns and oases, which is why Muhammad didn’t have that much knowledge of them or contact with them. They had the written Torah, based on Islamic evidence, but Muhammad certainly couldn’t read it and only distantly knew what was in it.

  144. MimiR says:
    @Tarheel American

    You’re missing the bit where a KEY ISLAMIC BELIEF about paradise is that all black men get to be white.

    That’s your reward as a black dude. You go through a purifying fire and all your ugliness is burned away and you get to be just as white as everyone else. This was Muhammad’s belief when he was specifically asked about being black in paradise. He did not question that being black was inferior. It could merely be overcome through Islam.

    Muhammad is “beautiful” because he has a face like a moon (round and white) and bright (white) like a flame. He was “compassionate” because he gave his mulatto nurse and former slave to his adopted son as a wife because it shows he provided even for ugly old women.

    You can’t say that Islam does not have an intensely racist foundation. Because it does.

    • Replies: @dcite
  145. MimiR says:
    @Bliss

    No. Genetic studies show that Egyptians were overwhelmingly (like >80%) from the same Natufian ancestry as the Hebrews. Some of the depigmentation genes didn’t perform a selective sweep in Egypt as they did in the Levant, in Iran, in Anatolia, and in southern Europe and later northern Europe, but they were about as brown as they pretty much are today. The lightness of the Ethiopian is because the subsaharan genes were genetically displaced by about 50% Natufian genes, too.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  146. “KEY ISLAMIC BELIEF about paradise is that all black men get to be white.”

    Ok, I’ll bite.

    Please share your source for that “KEY ISLAMIC BELIEF”?

    Thanks.

  147. nebulafox says:
    @Talha

    I have. I met them in Indonesia and Malaysia. Usually tend to be at least moderately educated people, who are alienated from Islam due to personal negative experiences with their community, but just don’t have irreligion in their mental chemistry. This can due to culture: Malays and Indonesians, like their Filipino cousins, aren’t natural atheists. You’ll find Catholic Filipinos who fit the same profile who have converted to Islam, conversely, after negative experiences with the Church. (By contrast, I think you’d see a lot more closet atheists in, say, Iran.) Or it could be due personality, or a mix of both.

    They prefer monotheism out of a mix of civilizational considerations and familiarity. Judaism is a non-starter for reasons that anybody familiar with the Islamic World would be aware of (and TBH, Jews, like Sikhs, aren’t much into conversion anyway) so Christianity is basically the only game in town. It helps that it is very popular among the ethnic Chinese throughout SEA who tend to dominate the local economy, so if you are looking to intermarry.

    As a general note, it’s important to remember that most people aren’t very deep thinkers, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Buddhist, or whatever. They don’t choose religion based off intellectual analysis, they pick it based off of intuition and cultural norms. They then make retrospective justification for believing in it. (And this applies as much to atheists and agnostics in the West now that it has been relatively mainstreamized: in fact, one can look at SJWism as an attempt to do revivalist Christianity without God.) People trying to study religion can forget this because the guys who actually did try to fit religion into an intellectual framework, guys like Aquinas or Avicenna or Confucius, were the ones who also tended to write the history. That doesn’t change the fact that they were, and are, a minority.

    James Clerk Maxwell, who was brighter than I or anybody else posting on the Internet could ever hope to be, dove deep into Scripture and tried to find an intellectual basis for his beliefs. Abdus Salam and Isaac Newton and Alonzo Church probably did it similarly. On the other side of the ledger, Alan Turing could probably come up with a fully-fleshed intellectual argument for atheism without simply relying off facile arguments. But most people don’t do that, they rely off emotions. I don’t mean this as negatively as it probably comes off, BTW. It is probably a good thing that most people aren’t hyper-logical, or the world would get more psychopathic than it is. But it nevertheless is the reality, so we shouldn’t assume that logical consistency is particularly important to your average person.

    >So – are they unique or are they one and the same? Make up your mind please. Again, go ahead an call it a mystery if you like.

    When I was a kid, I was an Arian without even knowing it.

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    , @Talha
  148. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @theMann

    Of course, there are always a certain percentage of Size Queens in the world ( I imagine they are going Robot with increasing, uhm, intensity), but if you ask women of any real sexual experience, most of them won’t have anything to do with Black guys because they are mean, @#ck too rough, and crawling with STD’s.

    The serious white women in search of gourmet f****ing usually won’t mess with blacks for these very reasons. Plus which blacks are not too imaginative, the experience is boring, and their girl friends of similar inclinations (birds of a feather flock together) would look down their noses at them.

    If you ever run across a retired high end type courtesan/call girl they will sometimes prove enormously entertaining and informative to talk to. Of course, they will be emotionally scarred and have incurable STDs and usually will be cavernous in the ladybusiness, so don’t even think to go there for relations…..but they can be a lot of fun to hang out with. You’ll learn that all the stereotypes are so for good reason.

  149. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    As a general note, it’s important to remember that most people aren’t very deep thinkers, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Buddhist, or whatever. They don’t choose religion based off intellectual analysis, they pick it based off of intuition and cultural norms.

    Most people’s religion is either because that is what they are raised with or in direct rebellion to how they were raised. It makes perfect sense that one of Madalyn Murray O’Hair’s kids would become a fundamentalist evangelist and that the children of preachers tend to go into the religion business themselves or become hellions and out atheists (but some rebel just enough, and join a competing religion).

  150. Talha says:
    @nebulafox

    You invested a lot of thought into what you wrote. Just wanted to let you know I read it and agree with quite a lot of what you said.

    Peace.

    • Agree: JMcG
  151. Bliss says:
    @MimiR

    The lightness of the Ethiopian is because the subsaharan genes were genetically displaced by about 50% Natufian genes, too.

    If you think Ethiopians (and Ancient Egyptians) are/were light skinned you need your frickin brain and eyes examined…

  152. Bliss says:
    @Peter Frost

    References to BBC are actually quite common in ancient texts from the Mediterranean and the Middle East, including The Bible:

    Ezekial 16

    You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians, your neighbors with large genitals, and aroused my anger with your increasing promiscuity.

    Ezekial 23

    Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

    The Egyptians were perceived [by the Hebrews] as a dark-skinned Other, and the Nubians were seen as an even darker version. This isn’t surprising, since Nubia was a province of Egypt for much of Antiquity and was a source of recruitment for Egyptian soldiers.

    This information is so unfortunate for the nazis and other deluded racist crackpots here: even the Bible confirms that Egyptians were (of course) africans akin to subsaharans. I will henceforth be using these Bible quotes as added ammunition against the lies of the nordicists.

  153. Anonymous[848] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    The doctrine of the Trinity was a kludge cooked up by the early Church in an attempt to reconcile two irreconcilable factions. An “agreement to disagree”. Greco/Roman Christians could continue to worship Jesus as god–because he was, while Jewish Christians could continue to regard him merely as the son of god–because he was that too. Everybody was allowed to worship his own way. Nobody was allowed to cast aspersions on the faith of their coreligionists. That was the theory anyway. In practice, disputes over this question have bedeviled Christianity down to early modern times.

    (The Holy Ghost appears to have been added as an afterthought to bump the number of the parts-of-god to 3, since that was a holy number to Greeks and Romans.)

    • Replies: @Hegar
  154. Hegar says:
    @miss marple

    You believe Othello was Black? Well, that’s what propaganda does to you. Othello was a Moor, meaning a Muslim from North Africa. Those were White or Beduin or Arab. North Africa has never been Black.

    Stop learning about the world from Hollywood movies that put Blacks in every single Shakespeare story. The Hollywood (((producers))) do not tell the truth. Ever.

    • Replies: @dcite
  155. Hegar says:
    @Anonymous

    Taking a chance to include Xtian propaganda in a story that has nothing to do with that particular fanaticism, I see.

    “continue to worship Jesus as god–because he was”

    Um, no. He was a leftist preacher within Judaism. The god of the entire universe does not transform into a beggar doing a street show among the many other end-of-the-world street shows among Jews at the time, popular because they promised Rome would be destroyed as punishment for conquering the Jews. The god of the universe does not turn into a human who calls himself dad.

    And his name wasn’t Jesus. It was Yeshua ben Yosef. The government agent Saulos pretended it was the White-sounding Jesus, with the Roman -us at the end, to make him seem less Jewish. And he changed his own name from Saulos to Paulus for the same reason.

    Saulos famously said, “be all things to all men”. When you talk to those “of the scripture,” in other words Jews, you should say you are a Jew, but when talking to those “outside the scripture,” the Gentiles, you should pretend to be a Gentile. So he changed his own and Yeshua’s names to Gentile names.

    If you claim to want to Tell The Truth About Jesus to people, you can start by using his real Jewish name, Yeshua ben Yosef, Yeshua son of Josef.

  156. Anounder says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    You’re a lolbertarian degenerate so I’m sure you’d be fine with having a half-Negro grandson.

  157. dcite says:
    @MimiR

    Mohammed claimed blacks would become white in Paradise, because he was speaking in metaphor. White meant radiant, free of earthly dross. It meant that the spirit of the white and black would be of the same hue, depending on their virtues. This was their belief. Most religious teachings started as simple narratives from everyday life (in Christianity they’re called parables), used to represent the spiritual reality. That said, there was a preference for lighter skin throughout Asia.

  158. dcite says:
    @Hegar

    You believe Othello was Black? Well, that’s what propaganda does to you. Othello was a Moor, meaning a Muslim from North Africa. Those were White or Beduin or Arab. North Africa has never been Black

    Actually the description in Shakespeare does imply negroid features. That’s what made the marriage scandalous. At lest this is what I recall from a textbook discussion written by reasonably non-pc scholars decades ago. In medieval and later Europe, here was no overwhelming aversion to marriage with Levantine/Arab/middle eastern types. The religion was the problem, more than the ethnicity, unless the Arabs were Christians. Black Africans, however, were another matter.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  159. @dcite

    I read “Othello” carefully about 18 years ago, and came up with 8 bits of text suggesting Othello is a black sub-Saharan African, 2 bits suggesting he was an olive-skinned North African.

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