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https://twitter.com/NumbersUSA/status/1096208713281691648

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  1. • Replies: @Hail
    Ryan Girdusky is on fire.
  2. I’m shocked! Shocked to hear a politician would lie!

  3. This deal is a joke.

    A few sections of wall in return for what amounts to an amnesy and even less interior enforcement is worse than nothing.

    No more bullshit escuses about his advisors failing him , Jared & Ivanka tricking him, 4D chess, etc. Trump failed.

    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Hail

    Kobach/Coulter. 2020
     
    Please, please, please give us a nationalist challenger to All-Tweet-No-Action Trump. We could even pull it off.
    , @Asagirian
    This deal is a joke.

    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    We need to face the truth. Mono-nationalism doesn't work. It is also arrogant and stingy. Also, unlike Monotheism, it is about the real material world. When Ancient Jews believed in monotheism and said their God is the only true God while all other gods are false, it was an idea in their mind. People can believe in stuff without affecting the real world.

    In contrast, Modern Jews are into mono-nationalism that says Israel and Jewish tribalism are the only true nationalism while all goy nationalisms are false. This is about real world politics. So, when Jews are nationalist, it is noble and good because Jewish Mono-Nationalism says Zionism is the only true nationalism. It then naturally follows that when goyim seek nationalism, it is evil because only Jews can have the true and good nationalism.

    In the end, Christianity may have been good for the soul but was bad for politics. It undermined the nationalism of goyim. Consider the Crusades. Europeans acting as if the Holy Land is their real only homeland, the place to live for and die for and kill for. Many Crusaders were more obsessed with retaking or defending the Holy Land than their own native domain. They wasted precious resources on Crusades than on their own domains.

    Christianity always made white Christians look more toward the Holy Land than to their own home. If they were not trying to retake the Holy Land itself, they were trying to create New Edens and New Jerusalems around the world. In the 20th century, Christianity faded but Holocaust came to be worshiped as the new mono-faith, and so much of American political theme became all about securing the Holy Land for Holy Holocaust Jews.

    With such mindset, it's no wonder Jewish Power has been so adept at undermining native goy nationalism in favor of the mono-nationalism of Jews. Mono-nationalist thought has two faces in American Politics. One face says: Jews are the only people who deserve a particular nationalism of their own. Other face says: Americanism is the only nationalism for all goyim, so America must become the nation for ALL peoples, and ALL nations must be 'Americanized', or deracinated and cucked into mindless consumerism as lifestyle and worship of Jews, blacks, and homos as new religion.

    Whites need to think more in terms of poly-nationalism: There are many different peoples with different histories, culture, and genetics. Each people have a legitimate claim to independence and sovereignty in their own territory in which they laid down roots and buried the ancestors. Otherwise, all nations will just turn into deforested weed-infested mudslides than remain forests with deep-rooted trees.
    , @Autochthon
    Curiously, Ctrl + F and either "Jack H" or "blackp" or "Eey" yields an empty set.

    Go figure.
    , @AnotherDad

    No more bullshit escuses about his advisors failing him , Jared & Ivanka tricking him, 4D chess, etc. Trump failed.
     
    Yep. No more excuses.

    This fight is so easy to explain and take to the voters:
    -- the money is chicken sheet--fractions of percent in our budget for the whole wall
    -- the crisis is clear, with these caravans and the opportunity to claim asylum that has been a disaster--cue Merkel's madness--for Europe; if allowed millions will come and once they get in--with our catch-and-release policy, they're in;
    -- and the Democrats welcome this--are for open borders; refusing to do anything to secure the border is being for open borders--very easy to explain.

    Trump should
    -- demand funding for the full wall; mandatory eVerify; end\tighening on asylum claims; funding for out of the country asylum camp
    -- sign necessary funding for essential services
    -- explain his position and Democrats open borders obstinacy
    -- then let the shutdown roll out
    -- after 30 days he can even furlough vast numbers of useless bureaucrats--another smaller win

    And he'll win--plus consolidate his base and have framed the election issue.

    But Trump doesn't do any of that. Rather he promises to absolutely drown America in immigration without end to inevitably (basic math!) turn my nation into a shithole.

    We all knew Trump was a flyer. Pinning nationalist hopes on a egomanical bozo. But there was always some hope. He seemed to kind of "get it" and had some visceral reactions that looked promising. And he was willing to take on, mock and humilate several establishment clowns.
    But it turns out he's just a bozo. He has the attention span of a flea. He's unwilling to put in any work to really understand what's important. He's really a terrible deal-maker. And he can't even stand up to his own daughter.

    He may well get re-elected if the economy stays healthy, simply because the Democrats field some bozo. But Trump isn't going to make America great again.
    , @Stan d Mute

    Kobach/Coulter. 2020
     
    Better still, get Tucker Carlson on the ballot. That way I can wear shirts/hats emblazoned:

    TUCK FRUMP!!!
  4. Trump’s ineptitude certainly lends itself to conspiracy theories. Even taking in to account his lack of experience running a large bureaucracy, governmental experience, his complete lack of allies or Kushner his decisions on certain issues seem baffling. I was hoping he would learn but he seems to be repeating his glaring error in signing the last spending bill.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    He’s simply not up to the job. The Dems must be dancing jigs tonight.
  5. “Is Trump Being Baited and Switched?”

    Don’t you mean Trump’s supporters?

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  6. The hard-line immigration restriction agenda seems to be purely defensive. Hold the line, no amnesty, hold the line, no amnesty. Inevitably, the Democrats manage to break through this overextended front at the points of least resistance.

    One option is to continue to fight and slowly lose this war of attrition, hoping that a truly popular immigration restrictionist president appears down the line and reverses those losses. This seems to be the strategy espoused by Mark Krikorian and other professional immigration restriction lobbyists.

    Another option is to make an ambitious concession to the Democrats in exchange for a populist reform of the immigration system. Like an amnesty for all illegal aliens in exchange for a complete shutdown of low-skilled immigration to the United States. This seems to be the strategy espoused by “reformicons” like Reihan Salam.

    • Replies: @Hail
    There is a big, glaring option you are overlooking. A nationalist alternative.

    Things look bad with the deflating of, and now collapse of, the Trump political bubble, but a true nationalist alternative is now thinkable for more and more.

  7. Trump never wanted the wall and it will never be built. Trump is a member of the Deep State.

  8. https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/
    5 insane provisions in the amnesty omnibus bill …

    Conservative Review
    18 hours ago · Thus, all the Beto O’Rourke type of politicians in that region have de facto veto power. There’s a reason why they didn’t authorize fencing in conservative counties like Cochise and Yuma in Arizona. … This bill contains a blatant amnesty for the worst cartel smugglers: Section 224…

  9. 5 insane provisions in the amnesty omnibus bill

    1) Less of a wall than even what Democrats already agreed to: Trump originally demanded $25 billion for the wall. Then he negotiated himself down to $5.6 billion. Democrats balked and only agreed to $1.6 billion. This bill calls it a day at $1.375 billion, enough to construct 55 miles. But it’s worse than that. This bill limits the president’s ability to construct “barriers” to just the Rio Grande Valley sector and only bollard fencing, not concrete walls of any kind. There’s no ability to adapt. Furthermore, section 231 prohibits construction even within the RGV in five locations that are either federal or state lands. Remember, the challenge with building a wall in Texas is that, unlike in other states, the feds need to navigate issues with private lands. The first place you’d construct fencing is on public lands, which are now prohibited. The national parks along the border have gotten so bad that park rangers are scared to travel alone in them.

  10. Experts: GOP/Dem Deal to Spark ‘Largest Surge’ of Young Border Crossers ‘Country Has Ever Seen’
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/14/experts-gop-dem-deal-to-spark-largest-surge-of-young-border-crossers-country-has-ever-seen/

    *****Above link will give you the complete lowdown. It is your one stop stopping. Why Trump must veto this pos bill which is complete sabotage of America.

  11. It is a clear defeat for Trump, but no surprise because Populists always lose. How could they win?

    As an old saying goes, politics is showbiz for ugly people. Just as in Hollywood, the top people in Washington have had dozens of flacks, image-shapers, and spinmeisters who know how to put lipstick on a pig, wrap it in swaddling clothes and present it as Little Orphan Annie. But President Trump does not.
    https://www.traditionalright.com/what-the-president-should-have-said/

  12. No, this is another switch for those baited into voting for him.

  13. The Globalist Elites are irredeemable. They are perpetually greedy and self-righteous. They think in terms of their ungodly rich class, not in terms of nations or religions or philosophies. They see themselves as above and beyond nation, race, ethnicity, religion.

    They despise virtually all whites who are not at least near their inner circles, which means they, at best, have not a single teeny sympathy for the swamping extermination of any white culture – and the odds are very high that most desire the extermination of any white culture that hints it could be used to help revive pre-Modern Christian European cultures.

    Their universal language is English: let those who have ears to hear, hear. Their structures are built upon those erected by and during the spread and height of the British Empire and the Yank WASP version of the Brit WASP Empire: let those who have eyes to see, see.

  14. I suspect Trump knows exactly what is happening. He is the one who hired all these GOP Establishment types to “negotiate” with the Democrats.

    He was never serious about the wall or kicking illegals out.

  15. This just seems like an effort to claim Trump is a bungler, rather than a liar. “MAGA-pedes, do not flee! Our leader is not finking on us. He is just incompetent!”

    #Tulsi2020

    • Replies: @Hail

    #Tulsi2020
     
    NumbersUSA Immigration Report Card:

    Tulsi Gabbard
    Career, 2013-2019: F
    Recent, 2017-2019: F-

    Updated February 15, 2019
     

  16. All of the immigration restriction advocates like NumbersUSA, Mark Krikorian and CIS and Jessica Vaughan, are acutely aware of this, so I’m sure the Trump Administration is too.

    Obviously, it’s not Trump himself reading these bills, he has teams of staff and advisors.

  17. The thing has $3.5 billion for refugee resettlement, AKA “loot”.

    We get the thrill of paying for our displacement.

    Even all the new Democrat voters should realize that they are getting screwed by such things.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    The thing has $3.5 billion for refugee resettlement, AKA “loot”.

     

    So that's why they couldn't come up with $5bn for the Wall.
  18. We shall see. My guess is he signs it for the money and then eviscerates via National Emergency declaration. This gives him $1.4B immediately and buys him time to do the Banana Republic Dance with the Courts that ends up with the Supremes sans Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

  19. Trump is pushing nation-wrecking mass legal immigration.

    Trump has not deported all the 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    Trump is attacking and undermining American workers by pushing for more guest worker foreigners and visa worker foreigners.

    Trump has not stopped the REFUGEE OVERLOAD attack on the cultural cohesion of the USA.

    Trump has stabbed the American people in the back by pushing mass legal immigration.

    Trump puts the interests of foreigners ahead of the interests of the American people.

    I may have to challenge Trump in the 2020 GOP presidential primary to give voters a chance to put Americans First and America First.

    Shyster Boy Trump Must Be Dumped!

  20. The Donald is turning out to be a disappointment. Maybe he’s just outnumbered by the leftist media, Democrats, government bureaucrats, and the fake Republicans. Watch for a dollar crisis and massive inflation down the road.

  21. The title is misleading as to who is doing what to whom. It’s the MAGA morons being “bait and switched” by the sleazy duplicitous peddler and lifelong Democrat, Trumpstein. If the old fraud had balls just 1/10 the size of the Omar babe’s pair (willing to take on AIPAC directly), the MAGAs would be in great shape and get their promised wall.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Omar took money from CAIR .
  22. The GOP is begging to be wiped out.

    • Replies: @Hail
    What % short-sightedness, what % bought-off lackey-to-the-system-ism, what % true maliciousness?
  23. I’m not sure about whether Trump’s being baited and switched, but I’ve got to guess that he would still be better off signing the deal and moving on to the National Emergency stage.

    Basically, no matter what gets signed, the battle over the wall isn’t going to end by 2020, and it will not be completed to any satisfactory state by then. Whatever policies may be introduced by this deal can be rescinded in 2020, and will depend on the outcome.

    The virtue behind getting this deal done and moving on to the emergency stage is that, no matter what, the issue of the wall will be paramount in voters’ minds come 2020.

    I think that the issue is one that Trump wins, so long as he can focus voters’ attention on it. The Democrats have no arguments except absurd ones. Those arguments fall apart the more people hear both sides. The Democrats should be wishing to high heaven that the whole issue would go away because their open borders stand is ridiculous and perverse. But the way this is turning out, it will never go away for them. Trump has been like a pit-bull on the issue.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Svigor
    Refusing to sign shitty funding bills, or maybe even funding bills with too long a lifespan, may be Trump's best way to focus voters' attention on the issue.

    As for the bait-and-switch, WTF? Sounds like boots and bayonets time on capitol hill.

    , @Almost Missouri

    "Those arguments fall apart the more people hear both sides."
     
    Do arguments matter any more?

    Now isn't it just all identity politics all the time?

  24. If true, nothing exposes the contempt the people in Washington have for the Constitution and the people of the country. In a real functioning democracy, this should be the main topic on every news show and the headline on every newspaper.

    It has probably been done many times but the people need to know just what their government thinks of them. The people need to know we are in a banana republic so they can stop with all the sanctimony when talking about other countries.

  25. I wonder if Kushner was behind this? He is supposedly some kind of liaison between Trump and Congress.

  26. I would not be surprised. But in my view, the foreign policy position suffered what is probably a fatal blow when the president signed on to the intelligence report.

    When he agreed that Russia had in fact engaged in sabotaging the US election and did so at the express order of Pres. Putin. The previous foreign policy posture all but collapsed, and in truth — placed the president in a no win position. He then sealed that when he agreed that Russia at the order of Pres Putin had in fact, attempted/and successfully murdered citizen and visitors to the UK. All three of those positions would male any state who so engaged an enemy of the US. And not just an enemy, an active enemy. Now if one reads that intel report like the intel report regarding Iraq in 2002/2003, the case is just not made. Nonetheless, the presidents about face on the question, meant that the US would have to treat Russia as an enemy of the US, the UK and europe, where several others states complained of Russian meddling.

    1. he had said there was no interference
    2. that the election process had not interfered with or impacted by collusion
    3. that the US would pursue some manner “friendly” relations with Russia out of mutual interest
    4. that the US would pull back interventions of regime change
    caveats: ISIS/ISIL and Iran.

    On that day, 1-4 all became non-issues of contention because Russia was an enemy of the US and her allies. The intel establishment and those that supported intervention. With nothing that challenges that assessment, Russian action/behavior counter to those of the US in hostile environments would need to be confronted — Game, set, match, on foreign policy.

    Unless the president is willing to reverse the agreement on the intel report, in my view he is held hostage based on his own agreement. I thought it was a mistake then, I think so now. The evidence against Russia has been might scant. It is entirely possible to treat Russia as a competitor without buying into what has been an effective bid to undermine presidential legitimacy and undermine his policy agenda as well.

    That provides little comfort or manuever room for this president because he chose the advisers. And he did so knowing their views on him, and his agenda ahead of time.

    ———————

    As for the latest legislation — when you have a history of constantly giving your opponents what they want in exchange for nothing — I am not sure it matters. He made a policy stance and gave it away. And he did so when he had public support, again. I support this president, but if anyone can claim being baited and switched, its those who supported and voted for him and continue to do, despite having to wipe away the proverbial sand from our faces.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Triple post alert; comment-edit bug resurfaces?. @Ron Unz @Steve Sailer
  27. I would not be surprised. But in my view, the foreign policy position suffered what is probably a fatal blow when the president signed on to the intelligence report.

    When he agreed that Russia had in fact engaged in sabotaging the US election and did so at the express order of Pres. Putin. The previous foreign policy posture all but collapsed, and in truth — placed the president in a no win position. He then sealed that when he agreed that Russia at the order of Pres Putin had in fact, attempted/and successfully murdered citizen and visitors to the UK. All three of those positions would male any state who so engaged an enemy of the US. And not just an enemy, an active enemy. Now if one reads that intel report like the intel report regarding Iraq in 2002/2003, the case is just not made. Nonetheless, the presidents about face on the question, meant that the US would have to treat Russia as an enemy of the US, the UK and europe, where several others states complained of Russian meddling.

    1. he had said there was no interference
    2. that the election process had not interfered with or impacted by collusion
    3. that the US would pursue some manner “friendly” relations with Russia out of mutual interest
    4. that the US would pull back interventions of regime change
    caveats: ISIS/ISIL and Iran.

    On that day, 1-4 all became non-issues of contention because Russia was an enemy of the US and her allies. The intel establishment and those that supported intervention. With nothing that challenges that assessment, Russian action/behavior counter to those of the US in hostile environments would need to be confronted — Game, set, match, on foreign policy.

    Unless the president is willing to reverse the agreement on the intel report, in my view he is held hostage based on his own agreement. I thought it was a mistake then, I think so now. The evidence against Russia has been might scant. It is entirely possible to treat Russia as a competitor without buying into what has been an effective bid to undermine presidential legitimacy and undermine his policy agenda as well.

    That provides little comfort or manuever room for this president because he chose the advisers. And he did so knowing their views on him, and his agenda ahead of time.

    ———————

    As for the latest legislation — when you have a history of constantly giving your opponents what they want in exchange for nothing — I am not sure it matters. He made a policy stance and gave it away. And he did so when he had public support, again. I support this president, but if anyone can claim being baited and switched, its those who supported and voted for him and continue to do, despite having to wipe away the proverbial sand from our faces.

    I am quite confident the president is repeatedly being baited . . .

    ___________________________

    Evermindful of Mr. Bannon’s comments as he departed the admin.

  28. I would not be surprised. But in my view, the foreign policy position suffered what is probably a fatal blow when the president signed on to the intelligence report.

    When he agreed that Russia had in fact engaged in sabotaging the US election and did so at the express order of Pres. Putin. The previous foreign policy posture all but collapsed, and in truth — placed the president in a no win position. He then sealed that when he agreed that Russia at the order of Pres Putin had in fact, attempted/and successfully murdered citizen and visitors to the UK. All three of those positions would male any state who so engaged an enemy of the US. And not just an enemy, an active enemy. Now if one reads that intel report like the intel report regarding Iraq in 2002/2003, the case is just not made. Nonetheless, the presidents about face on the question, meant that the US would have to treat Russia as an enemy of the US, the UK and europe, where several others states complained of Russian meddling.

    1. he had said there was no interference
    2. that the election process had not interfered with or impacted by collusion
    3. that the US would pursue some manner “friendly” relations with Russia out of mutual interest
    4. that the US would pull back interventions of regime change
    caveats: ISIS/ISIL and Iran.

    On that day, 1-4 all became non-issues of contention because Russia was an enemy of the US and her allies. The intel establishment and those that supported intervention. With nothing that challenges that assessment, Russian action/behavior counter to those of the US in hostile environments would need to be confronted — Game, set, match, on foreign policy.

    Unless the president is willing to reverse the agreement on the intel report, in my view he is held hostage based on his own agreement. I thought it was a mistake then, I think so now. The evidence against Russia has been might scant. It is entirely possible to treat Russia as a competitor without buying into what has been an effective bid to undermine presidential legitimacy and undermine his policy agenda as well.

    That provides little comfort or manuever room for this president because he chose the advisers. And he did so knowing their views on him, and his agenda ahead of time.

    ———————

    As for the latest legislation — when you have a history of constantly giving your opponents what they want in exchange for nothing — I am not sure it matters. He made a policy stance and gave it away. And he did so when he had public support, again. I support this president, but if anyone can claim being baited and switched, its those who supported and voted for him and continue to do, despite having to wipe away the proverbial sand from our faces.

    I am quite confident the president is repeatedly being baited . . .there never should have been any legislation to edit.

    ___________________________

    Evermindful of Mr. Bannon’s comments as he departed the admin.

  29. @candid_observer
    I'm not sure about whether Trump's being baited and switched, but I've got to guess that he would still be better off signing the deal and moving on to the National Emergency stage.

    Basically, no matter what gets signed, the battle over the wall isn't going to end by 2020, and it will not be completed to any satisfactory state by then. Whatever policies may be introduced by this deal can be rescinded in 2020, and will depend on the outcome.

    The virtue behind getting this deal done and moving on to the emergency stage is that, no matter what, the issue of the wall will be paramount in voters' minds come 2020.

    I think that the issue is one that Trump wins, so long as he can focus voters' attention on it. The Democrats have no arguments except absurd ones. Those arguments fall apart the more people hear both sides. The Democrats should be wishing to high heaven that the whole issue would go away because their open borders stand is ridiculous and perverse. But the way this is turning out, it will never go away for them. Trump has been like a pit-bull on the issue.

    Refusing to sign shitty funding bills, or maybe even funding bills with too long a lifespan, may be Trump’s best way to focus voters’ attention on the issue.

    As for the bait-and-switch, WTF? Sounds like boots and bayonets time on capitol hill.

  30. “Is Trump Being Baited and Switched?”

    Well, considering that this behavior is his trademark, especially to working whites, he should know.

    https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2019/01/05/has-bait-and-switch-become-a-trump-signature/

    https://nwlaborpress.org/2018/02/trumps-amazing-infrastructure-bait-and-switch/

    The reality is that both political parties are equally skilled at pulling this stunt repeatedly. Do they know better? Yes. Do they still do it? Of course, it’s “the Swamp”.

    Funny how Trump has yet to take decided action to drain it and avoid the pitfalls of being beholden to Jewish interests. I guess some people just outright refuse to NOTICE such things.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    You want Sailer to bad mouth Trump, we get it. Now that this is clear you can shut your piehole, cuck!

    BTW, What about RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA? You taking your meds? You seeing reality clearly now that the TDS fog has lifted from your brain. Did it stop you from getting chubbies from looking at pictures of Vox Day?
  31. Is Tucker Carlson compromised? (Say it ain’t so.)

    Sean Hannity (more expected)?

    Laura Ingraham?

    These three know they have a direct line to the President via their evening broadcasts, and not one of them called for a veto to this terrible bill on their evening broadcasts.

    Because of the Valetine’s Day to Presidents Day “holiday weekend,” Tucker was airing pretaped, phoned-in, totally irrelevant coverage of a bunch of nothing. It had the air of something like a hostage video. Or reminiscent of what TV stations must air when military coups occur — all anodyne coverage unrelated to the coup.

    On Ingraham’s show, she herself, though against the bill, was a no-show — there was a guest host. Ingraham briefly called in from her vacation in Colorado but had phone problems and didn’t really get in her point. All three’s coverage was totally dominated by other stories.

    We know Trump watched at least some of FoxNews primetime last night (i.e., at least some of these three), because he tweeted a quote from one of Tucker’s anodyne stories.

    [MORE]

    https://twitter.com/matt_sussis/status/1096231073099468802

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Fox executives might have made the decision to have Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham MIA last night.
    , @istevefan
    I tuned into Rush briefly. He is working overtime trying to prop up Trump on this.
  32. The Republican congress members are the enemies of the American people.

  33. Here, have some Trumpwave, and ponder what could have been.

  34. This omnibus bill is a disaster. It goes far beyond just a bait and switch. It will be very difficult for the U.S. to dig itself out of this in the future. The provision offering amnesty for nearly anyone remotely connected to an unaccompanied minor is the worst piece here. But also, as Ann Coulter has pointed out, it’s gong to be difficult to justify declaring an emergency on the border, after signing a bill which leaves it up to local governments along the border to decide whether they want a wall or not. Trump is signing away any chance of winning in 2020, if he signs this; and I hope he is primaried by someone to his right on immigration, if he does so. But, regardless, the damage this bill could potentially do is so enormous, that it could kill any hope of America regaining control of its border, even in the unlikely event a real immigration restrictionist is elected president after Trump.

    https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/

    • Replies: @Hail

    It goes far beyond just a bait and switch
     
    "It's not fully accurate to say this bill is amnesty. It's worse than amnesty."

    https://twitter.com/RMConservative/status/1096195624008142848

    "If this bill is enacted, expect the largest surge of unaccompanied minors this country has ever seen. If this bill is passed by Congress, President Trump must veto it." From an emergency press release yesterday afternoon by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

  35. @candid_observer
    I'm not sure about whether Trump's being baited and switched, but I've got to guess that he would still be better off signing the deal and moving on to the National Emergency stage.

    Basically, no matter what gets signed, the battle over the wall isn't going to end by 2020, and it will not be completed to any satisfactory state by then. Whatever policies may be introduced by this deal can be rescinded in 2020, and will depend on the outcome.

    The virtue behind getting this deal done and moving on to the emergency stage is that, no matter what, the issue of the wall will be paramount in voters' minds come 2020.

    I think that the issue is one that Trump wins, so long as he can focus voters' attention on it. The Democrats have no arguments except absurd ones. Those arguments fall apart the more people hear both sides. The Democrats should be wishing to high heaven that the whole issue would go away because their open borders stand is ridiculous and perverse. But the way this is turning out, it will never go away for them. Trump has been like a pit-bull on the issue.

    “Those arguments fall apart the more people hear both sides.”

    Do arguments matter any more?

    Now isn’t it just all identity politics all the time?

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Arguments do matter for those in the middle. Not everybody has gone crazy.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    Do arguments matter any more?

    Now isn’t it just all identity politics all the time?
     
    For about 70% of the country (30% Red , 40% blue), its all about rooting for their team. But the remaining 30% of "persuadables" will determine which team ultimately wins.

    I was really down on the long-term prospects for our side after the midterms. But within just six weeks of being in power the Dem Congress has convinced the country that they are nut bag socialists. Trump now looks like the responsible counterbalance to their radicalism. Amazing.
  36. Speaking of female voting behavior, the NYT article goes on to report:

    Linda Smoley, who hosted Mrs. Clinton at her Sioux City, Iowa, home in 2015 and attended Ms. Gillibrand’s first house party in Iowa in January, said she was so distressed after Mr. Trump was elected that she got anti-depressants from her doctor and then accidentally drove her car into her house.

    Don’t you just hate it when you do that? I blame Trump.

    I could see doing that if Trump signs this bill.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    At least there will be plenty of local campesinos available to repair the damage. It would be a tragedy had she been limited to hiring Iowans.
  37. @Almost Missouri

    "Those arguments fall apart the more people hear both sides."
     
    Do arguments matter any more?

    Now isn't it just all identity politics all the time?

    Arguments do matter for those in the middle. Not everybody has gone crazy.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Maybe for somewhat spergy and high-IQ men. For women and a whole lot of men it's all feelz r realz.
    , @Anonymous

    Not everybody has gone crazy.
     
    Being loyal to your own people is not crazy.
  38. Ace of Spades calls it Failure Theater. Trump NEVER EVER wanted a real wall. He just wanted to posture like a WWE Wrestler before the cameras.

    McConnell put that stuff in there. Trump wanted it there. He will sign it and then sigh and say he can’t do anything and fire off a really rousing tweet. That’s Trump. That’s his Presidency. It is the Presidency of every single Republican since Ike.

    Because Failure Theater is what the Republicans ESPECIALLY TRUMP is all about.

    There is no nada none support for ANY immigration restriction — among the Managerial Class / Deep State. If Trump refused to sign the FBI and CIA and a few cabinet members would remove him through the 25th Amendment. Think Rod Rosenstein will tolerate any deportations? Who will clean his toilet for cheap? Americans? Himself?

    There is no possibility of any limits on Immigration. NONE. Neither the FBI nor CIA nor DOJ nor Democrats nor Media nor Universities nor Billionaires nor Hollywood will allow this to happen.

    The way forward is to make ourselves feared and intimidate our enemies with lawfare, mass flash protests, and the like. We will live in essentially Mexico City meets Tegulcigapa meets Lagos. That is our future. We must prepare for it and make our enemies: non-Whites, the ruling class, White women, all fear us greatly.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    There is no nada none support for ANY immigration restriction — among the Managerial Class / Deep State.
     
    Count yourself among that group. I've watched you trash Patrick Buchanan for years on this blog. If you really wanted immigration restriction you would have supported Pat. Instead you derided him for not being simpatico with your neocon world view.

    To paraphrase Pat, while you guys were busy saving Al Anbar province, you were losing Arizona.

    You guys ended up doing more damage to us than the democrats. But hey, you got another 10-year MOA worth $36 billion. So it's still good.
  39. President Czervik’s gold-plated styrofoam plate is full :

    • Replies: @Anon
    Laugh all you want. They're coming for you next. I'm sure you would have done a better job taking on the Deep State, DNC, GOPe, UN and EU virtually single-handedly.
  40. @candid_observer
    Arguments do matter for those in the middle. Not everybody has gone crazy.

    Maybe for somewhat spergy and high-IQ men. For women and a whole lot of men it’s all feelz r realz.

  41. “Bait and Switch!”

    I don’t blame Trump for things because he is the weakest president in US history. Pres Trump is probably weaker than Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s VP, who had to deal with a union that was still falling apart. Trump kind of can cause trouble like his pull out of Syria and Afghanistan tweets as those positions are overwhelmingly popular outside DC NYC, but that won’t work for the wall.

  42. • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    "I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever"
     
    Perhaps he was primarily referring to East European supermodels, like Melania, in which case I endorse his message.
  43. @Hail
    Is Tucker Carlson compromised? (Say it ain't so.)

    Sean Hannity (more expected)?

    Laura Ingraham?

    These three know they have a direct line to the President via their evening broadcasts, and not one of them called for a veto to this terrible bill on their evening broadcasts.

    Because of the Valetine's Day to Presidents Day "holiday weekend," Tucker was airing pretaped, phoned-in, totally irrelevant coverage of a bunch of nothing. It had the air of something like a hostage video. Or reminiscent of what TV stations must air when military coups occur -- all anodyne coverage unrelated to the coup.

    On Ingraham's show, she herself, though against the bill, was a no-show -- there was a guest host. Ingraham briefly called in from her vacation in Colorado but had phone problems and didn't really get in her point. All three's coverage was totally dominated by other stories.

    We know Trump watched at least some of FoxNews primetime last night (i.e., at least some of these three), because he tweeted a quote from one of Tucker's anodyne stories.

    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/1096230905717256192

    https://twitter.com/matt_sussis/status/1096231073099468802

    https://twitter.com/S0_L337/status/1096217312666025984

    Fox executives might have made the decision to have Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham MIA last night.

    • Replies: @Hail
    They couldn't have known what this bill would have in it when they made the decision to give vacation time to two of their stars. They did know, as of the end of the last shutdown, that today was new budget deadline day (as announced by Trump), but they couldn't have known this.

    Their absences align with a "Valentine's Day Thursday, a Friday, and Presidents Day Monday" three-days-in-a-row presumed low-viewership window, so a long-planned use of vacation time may be more likely.

  44. An audio reading of Thomas Chittum’s book “Civil War II: The Coming Breakup of America” created using Apple’s text-to-speech.


    Chittum’s analysis is about as good as you’re going to get from conventional military analysts. A step up would be the analysis provided by John Robb in “Brave New War” to provide nuance to Chittum’s. A further step up is something I’m developing based on a fundamental insight into the nature of civilization _as_ war, which goes quite some distance beyond Carl von Clausewitz, to the evolution of eusociality vs the evolution of individual integrity.

  45. Trump, just like the rest of his family- excluding Jared- suffer from a severe case of RCC- Reverse Caddyshack Complex.

    He wants to be adored by the very same people that will one day piss on his crumbling, pennywort infested tombstone on the tax-forfeited Mar a Lago property…

  46. Back in January, prior to his State of the Union address, Trump invited bunch of MSM heavies for an off-the-record lunch meeting.

    Among others , Trump invited CNN’s Anderson Cooper and Wolf Blitzer, Fox News’s Chris Wallace and Martha MacCallum, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos and David Muir, NBC’s Savannah Guthrie and Lester Holt, and CBS’s Margaret Brennan.

    According to leaked conversation, NYT reported that Trump have said:

    “When I say something that you might think is a gaffe, it’s on purpose; it’s not a gaffe. ”

    President Czervik’s ‘s signature on the Bill which includes Section 224, abolishes ICE, and gives Texas Democrats a veto over wall construction until October 2019, is the ominous signal that the purpose of ‘Build The Wall’ gaffe has expired.

    “Let’s go — while we’re young.”

  47. Willingness to participate in synchronized swimming is a part of crucial survival skills for any swamp-dwelling organism:

    “The biggest immigration betrayal of the Trump presidency and we have @TuckerCarlson talking about China and @seanhannity talking about Peter Strzok. ”

    https://mobile.twitter.com/matt_sussis/status/1096231073099468802

  48. I think that if the Dems were thinking strategically they would give Trump his Wall. Then he wouldn’t have an issue any more.

    But now he can say to his supporters, “once more unto the breach, dear friends,” and rally us to the final assault in 2020.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    I think that if the Dems were thinking strategically they would give Trump his Wall. Then he wouldn’t have an issue any more.

    But now he can say to his supporters, “once more unto the breach, dear friends,” and rally us to the final assault in 2020.
     
    IMO, this post nails it.

    In the heat of political battle, it's often hard to keep the big perspective. The Wall was always going to be semi-effective at best as an actual immigration deterrent. It's really always been a symbol of pro-American Patriotism vs. Anti-American Globalism.

    Pro-American Patriotism is still popular and rallying its adherents (before they're completely in the minority) is the key to long-term success. So far Trump has done a good job of getting his opponents to commit to a position that pro-American Patriotism is "immoral." While he has defined himself as its beleaguered but indefatigable champion.

    That's a good place to be politically.

    A totally separate question is what's the long term realistic goal -- i.e., what immigration deal would eventually be acceptable which would preserve America and put its interests first. (Personally, I'd favor a compromise that allowed single male workers to temporarily stay and then return instead of bringing over families of dependents to settle here permanently).
  49. He baited and switched himself.

  50. Just to head the Russians spy assail off at the pass —

    There is no doubt that the Russians as countries would want to do spy on the US as we do. However, there’s not much in the way of evidence that they actively interfered in the election process.

  51. It’s lonely at the top.

    At least, President Czervik still can count on his family members.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    When Ray Evans left rustic Salamanca in Cattaraugus County to write songs on Tin Pan Alley, his mother advised him not to let anyone know he was Jewish. "Tell them you're Christian Scientist!" A recent history said that was the worst advice ever given in the business.

    However, it might have been of use when he and Jay Livingston, also Jewish, went to work for Disney.
  52. @Anonymous
    Fox executives might have made the decision to have Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham MIA last night.

    They couldn’t have known what this bill would have in it when they made the decision to give vacation time to two of their stars. They did know, as of the end of the last shutdown, that today was new budget deadline day (as announced by Trump), but they couldn’t have known this.

    Their absences align with a “Valentine’s Day Thursday, a Friday, and Presidents Day Monday” three-days-in-a-row presumed low-viewership window, so a long-planned use of vacation time may be more likely.

    • Replies: @Russ
    "Their absences align with a “Valentine’s Day Thursday, a Friday, and Presidents Day Monday” three-days-in-a-row presumed low-viewership window, so a long-planned use of vacation time may be more likely."

    Indeed. Always preferable to shave with Occam's Razor than with an AWR Gillette product.

    , @Anonymous
    They [Fox executives] couldn’t have known what this bill would have in it when they made the decision to give vacation time to two of their stars.

    Sure - there’s absolutely no way Murdoch’s sons had any idea what was in the bill.
  53. Anonymous[825] • Disclaimer says:

    The day after he was elected Trump BEGGED neocon Nikki Haley to be his Secretary of State.

    He then immediately reneged on any investigation of Hillary.

    He spent the first six months of his presidency BLOCKING any campaign supporters getting hired in his Whitehouse.

    He simultaneously fired by proxy (clean hands) all of the high level maga advisors.

    He’s a uni party front man puppet. He always was. His actions are uni party while his rhetoric is maga.

    KUSHNER HAS F*** THE BASE TATOOED ON HIS EYELIDS

    • Agree: Gordo, Hail
    • Replies: @Hail
    #[Someone]2020

    Primary challenge from the Right.
  54. @Almost Missouri

    "Those arguments fall apart the more people hear both sides."
     
    Do arguments matter any more?

    Now isn't it just all identity politics all the time?

    Do arguments matter any more?

    Now isn’t it just all identity politics all the time?

    For about 70% of the country (30% Red , 40% blue), its all about rooting for their team. But the remaining 30% of “persuadables” will determine which team ultimately wins.

    I was really down on the long-term prospects for our side after the midterms. But within just six weeks of being in power the Dem Congress has convinced the country that they are nut bag socialists. Trump now looks like the responsible counterbalance to their radicalism. Amazing.

  55. @Hail
    Is Tucker Carlson compromised? (Say it ain't so.)

    Sean Hannity (more expected)?

    Laura Ingraham?

    These three know they have a direct line to the President via their evening broadcasts, and not one of them called for a veto to this terrible bill on their evening broadcasts.

    Because of the Valetine's Day to Presidents Day "holiday weekend," Tucker was airing pretaped, phoned-in, totally irrelevant coverage of a bunch of nothing. It had the air of something like a hostage video. Or reminiscent of what TV stations must air when military coups occur -- all anodyne coverage unrelated to the coup.

    On Ingraham's show, she herself, though against the bill, was a no-show -- there was a guest host. Ingraham briefly called in from her vacation in Colorado but had phone problems and didn't really get in her point. All three's coverage was totally dominated by other stories.

    We know Trump watched at least some of FoxNews primetime last night (i.e., at least some of these three), because he tweeted a quote from one of Tucker's anodyne stories.

    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/1096230905717256192

    https://twitter.com/matt_sussis/status/1096231073099468802

    https://twitter.com/S0_L337/status/1096217312666025984

    I tuned into Rush briefly. He is working overtime trying to prop up Trump on this.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    I listened to the first hour of Rush. It left me completely sick at heart. It will be a complete waste of time to listen to him in the future, so I will assume a Yoga position and contemplate my navel.
  56. @Hail
    They couldn't have known what this bill would have in it when they made the decision to give vacation time to two of their stars. They did know, as of the end of the last shutdown, that today was new budget deadline day (as announced by Trump), but they couldn't have known this.

    Their absences align with a "Valentine's Day Thursday, a Friday, and Presidents Day Monday" three-days-in-a-row presumed low-viewership window, so a long-planned use of vacation time may be more likely.

    “Their absences align with a “Valentine’s Day Thursday, a Friday, and Presidents Day Monday” three-days-in-a-row presumed low-viewership window, so a long-planned use of vacation time may be more likely.”

    Indeed. Always preferable to shave with Occam’s Razor than with an AWR Gillette product.

  57. @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/1096263668994469890

    “I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever”

    Perhaps he was primarily referring to East European supermodels, like Melania, in which case I endorse his message.

  58. @Calvin X Hobbes

    Speaking of female voting behavior, the NYT article goes on to report:

    Linda Smoley, who hosted Mrs. Clinton at her Sioux City, Iowa, home in 2015 and attended Ms. Gillibrand’s first house party in Iowa in January, said she was so distressed after Mr. Trump was elected that she got anti-depressants from her doctor and then accidentally drove her car into her house.
     
    Don’t you just hate it when you do that? I blame Trump.
     
    I could see doing that if Trump signs this bill.

    At least there will be plenty of local campesinos available to repair the damage. It would be a tragedy had she been limited to hiring Iowans.

  59. @bored identity
    It's lonely at the top.

    At least, President Czervik still can count on his family members.

    https://youtu.be/oFmPEuNJYpg

    When Ray Evans left rustic Salamanca in Cattaraugus County to write songs on Tin Pan Alley, his mother advised him not to let anyone know he was Jewish. “Tell them you’re Christian Scientist!” A recent history said that was the worst advice ever given in the business.

    However, it might have been of use when he and Jay Livingston, also Jewish, went to work for Disney.

  60. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:

    How can it be bait & switch when there is scant evidence that Trump actually opposes anything McConnell Mafia does?

    Trump’s rhetoric opposes GOPe…

    Trump’s actions almost never do.

    This president represents the widest gap between rhetoric and action that we have ever seen.

    Latest actions (not rhetoric):

    New AG Barr is Bush family globalist swamp creature

    New Special Envoy to Venezuela Elliot Abrams is the Bush family’s go-to advance man for Neocon regime change

    • Replies: @Hail

    This president represents the widest gap between rhetoric and action that we have ever seen.
     
    @realDonaldTrump would be the biggest critic of this president's policies, retreats, missteps, time-wasting failures -- absent the ego thing (that they are technically the same person).

    (Jekyll's goonish handlers find a way to neutralize and kill Hyde, but still force Hyde to parade Jekyll's corpse around, as if to project that Hyde is still alive and well.)
  61. @Whiskey
    Ace of Spades calls it Failure Theater. Trump NEVER EVER wanted a real wall. He just wanted to posture like a WWE Wrestler before the cameras.

    McConnell put that stuff in there. Trump wanted it there. He will sign it and then sigh and say he can't do anything and fire off a really rousing tweet. That's Trump. That's his Presidency. It is the Presidency of every single Republican since Ike.

    Because Failure Theater is what the Republicans ESPECIALLY TRUMP is all about.

    There is no nada none support for ANY immigration restriction -- among the Managerial Class / Deep State. If Trump refused to sign the FBI and CIA and a few cabinet members would remove him through the 25th Amendment. Think Rod Rosenstein will tolerate any deportations? Who will clean his toilet for cheap? Americans? Himself?

    There is no possibility of any limits on Immigration. NONE. Neither the FBI nor CIA nor DOJ nor Democrats nor Media nor Universities nor Billionaires nor Hollywood will allow this to happen.

    The way forward is to make ourselves feared and intimidate our enemies with lawfare, mass flash protests, and the like. We will live in essentially Mexico City meets Tegulcigapa meets Lagos. That is our future. We must prepare for it and make our enemies: non-Whites, the ruling class, White women, all fear us greatly.

    There is no nada none support for ANY immigration restriction — among the Managerial Class / Deep State.

    Count yourself among that group. I’ve watched you trash Patrick Buchanan for years on this blog. If you really wanted immigration restriction you would have supported Pat. Instead you derided him for not being simpatico with your neocon world view.

    To paraphrase Pat, while you guys were busy saving Al Anbar province, you were losing Arizona.

    You guys ended up doing more damage to us than the democrats. But hey, you got another 10-year MOA worth $36 billion. So it’s still good.

  62. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1096285899225288704

    Ryan Girdusky is on fire.

  63. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    This deal is a joke.

    A few sections of wall in return for what amounts to an amnesy and even less interior enforcement is worse than nothing.

    No more bullshit escuses about his advisors failing him , Jared & Ivanka tricking him, 4D chess, etc. Trump failed.


    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    Please, please, please give us a nationalist challenger to All-Tweet-No-Action Trump. We could even pull it off.

  64. @The Z Blog
    This just seems like an effort to claim Trump is a bungler, rather than a liar. "MAGA-pedes, do not flee! Our leader is not finking on us. He is just incompetent!"

    #Tulsi2020

    #Tulsi2020

    NumbersUSA Immigration Report Card:

    Tulsi Gabbard
    Career, 2013-2019: F
    Recent, 2017-2019: F-

    Updated February 15, 2019

    • Replies: @Anon
    Doesnt matter. Tulsi dislikes jews. He is a single issue voter. She could play Ed Kemper with her mommy and he would still like her for prez.
  65. @Issac
    The GOP is begging to be wiped out.

    What % short-sightedness, what % bought-off lackey-to-the-system-ism, what % true maliciousness?

  66. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:

    Maga nation has Stockholm Syndrome. They literally cannot see the ugly reality of the Trump Whitehouse.

    Trump’s inner circle:

    Jared Kushner (liberal democrat)
    Bill Shine (globalist FoxNews/Murdoch lieutenant)
    Kellyann Conway (GOPe campaign advisor)
    Mick Mulvaney (GOPe stooge)

    This the Trump Dream Team. They all consider the maga nation to be an embarrassment.

  67. @RudyM
    This omnibus bill is a disaster. It goes far beyond just a bait and switch. It will be very difficult for the U.S. to dig itself out of this in the future. The provision offering amnesty for nearly anyone remotely connected to an unaccompanied minor is the worst piece here. But also, as Ann Coulter has pointed out, it's gong to be difficult to justify declaring an emergency on the border, after signing a bill which leaves it up to local governments along the border to decide whether they want a wall or not. Trump is signing away any chance of winning in 2020, if he signs this; and I hope he is primaried by someone to his right on immigration, if he does so. But, regardless, the damage this bill could potentially do is so enormous, that it could kill any hope of America regaining control of its border, even in the unlikely event a real immigration restrictionist is elected president after Trump.

    https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/

    It goes far beyond just a bait and switch

    “It’s not fully accurate to say this bill is amnesty. It’s worse than amnesty.”

    “If this bill is enacted, expect the largest surge of unaccompanied minors this country has ever seen. If this bill is passed by Congress, President Trump must veto it.” From an emergency press release yesterday afternoon by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

    • Agree: densa
  68. @Christopher Chantrill
    I think that if the Dems were thinking strategically they would give Trump his Wall. Then he wouldn't have an issue any more.

    But now he can say to his supporters, "once more unto the breach, dear friends," and rally us to the final assault in 2020.

    I think that if the Dems were thinking strategically they would give Trump his Wall. Then he wouldn’t have an issue any more.

    But now he can say to his supporters, “once more unto the breach, dear friends,” and rally us to the final assault in 2020.

    IMO, this post nails it.

    In the heat of political battle, it’s often hard to keep the big perspective. The Wall was always going to be semi-effective at best as an actual immigration deterrent. It’s really always been a symbol of pro-American Patriotism vs. Anti-American Globalism.

    Pro-American Patriotism is still popular and rallying its adherents (before they’re completely in the minority) is the key to long-term success. So far Trump has done a good job of getting his opponents to commit to a position that pro-American Patriotism is “immoral.” While he has defined himself as its beleaguered but indefatigable champion.

    That’s a good place to be politically.

    A totally separate question is what’s the long term realistic goal — i.e., what immigration deal would eventually be acceptable which would preserve America and put its interests first. (Personally, I’d favor a compromise that allowed single male workers to temporarily stay and then return instead of bringing over families of dependents to settle here permanently).

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    A totally separate question is what’s the long term realistic goal — i.e., what immigration deal would eventually be acceptable which would preserve America and put its interests first.

     

    The Pewitt Plan Will Do It:

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

    Remove 30 0r 40 million legal resident foreigners and immigrant interlopers who have gotten citizenship. Mass citizenship revocations of foreigners and expulsions of those foreigners is also in order.
    , @Thirdtwin
    "The Wall was always going to be semi-effective at best as an actual immigration deterrent. It’s really always been a symbol..."

    Build the MacGuffin!
    , @Corn
    “The Wall was always going to be semi-effective at best as an actual immigration deterrent. It’s really always been a symbol of pro-American Patriotism vs. Anti-American Globalism.”

    This is true. I don’t want to sound like a cuck, I do indeed want a wall, but the majority of illegals don’t sneak across the border. They come on tourist or work visas and then overstay.

    I’ve always tended to view the wall as secondary to mandatory e-Verify, increased workplace/neighborhood raids, and penalties for people who employ illegals.

    The lack of mandatory E-Verify disillusions me more than the lack of a wall honestly.
  69. @Hail
    They couldn't have known what this bill would have in it when they made the decision to give vacation time to two of their stars. They did know, as of the end of the last shutdown, that today was new budget deadline day (as announced by Trump), but they couldn't have known this.

    Their absences align with a "Valentine's Day Thursday, a Friday, and Presidents Day Monday" three-days-in-a-row presumed low-viewership window, so a long-planned use of vacation time may be more likely.

    They [Fox executives] couldn’t have known what this bill would have in it when they made the decision to give vacation time to two of their stars.

    Sure – there’s absolutely no way Murdoch’s sons had any idea what was in the bill.

  70. Trump don’t remember.

    Trump don’t recall.

    Trump don’t got no memories of Ann Coulter at all.

  71. @Hypnotoad666

    I think that if the Dems were thinking strategically they would give Trump his Wall. Then he wouldn’t have an issue any more.

    But now he can say to his supporters, “once more unto the breach, dear friends,” and rally us to the final assault in 2020.
     
    IMO, this post nails it.

    In the heat of political battle, it's often hard to keep the big perspective. The Wall was always going to be semi-effective at best as an actual immigration deterrent. It's really always been a symbol of pro-American Patriotism vs. Anti-American Globalism.

    Pro-American Patriotism is still popular and rallying its adherents (before they're completely in the minority) is the key to long-term success. So far Trump has done a good job of getting his opponents to commit to a position that pro-American Patriotism is "immoral." While he has defined himself as its beleaguered but indefatigable champion.

    That's a good place to be politically.

    A totally separate question is what's the long term realistic goal -- i.e., what immigration deal would eventually be acceptable which would preserve America and put its interests first. (Personally, I'd favor a compromise that allowed single male workers to temporarily stay and then return instead of bringing over families of dependents to settle here permanently).

    A totally separate question is what’s the long term realistic goal — i.e., what immigration deal would eventually be acceptable which would preserve America and put its interests first.

    The Pewitt Plan Will Do It:

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

    Remove 30 0r 40 million legal resident foreigners and immigrant interlopers who have gotten citizenship. Mass citizenship revocations of foreigners and expulsions of those foreigners is also in order.

  72. @bored identity
    President Czervik's gold-plated styrofoam plate is full :

    https://youtu.be/oFmPEuNJYpg

    Laugh all you want. They’re coming for you next. I’m sure you would have done a better job taking on the Deep State, DNC, GOPe, UN and EU virtually single-handedly.

  73. “Is Trump Being Baited and Switched?”

    when is he not? even half of his ‘allies’ hate him and want him gone.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Plus, I heard rumors that the Democrats were gloating over trapping him. Their hatred of him, and half the American people is truly revolting and frightening. I will never get over my visceral hatred of all Democrats.
  74. Don’t sign it (probably too late for that). And, declare Emergency.

    Amazon’s failure to get what it wanted, is a sign that the hubris of Democrats, to force everyday people to accept their authoritarian decisions, is cracking. Democrats can not continue to just taunt and obstruct. They must be exposed (along with the traitorous Republican members) as to the fact that they want the USA to be flooded with poor people who will, forever, give them the presidency – there is no difference now, in how millions of migrants are destroying Europe…and, it is affecting the elites there, too.

    It’s not about morals; it’s just naked greed and power…and the privileged Democrats….and other swamp people, will be living their walled-off lives, in their many homes, with wealth and prosperity until the end of time. This needs to be broadcasted to the entire country; and those cuck Republicans need to be exposed. I refuse to give any money to any candidates or the RNC until I see evidence that every single person backs this president. With McCain, Corker, Flake gone, I thought finally, things looked optimistic – just disgusted with the assholery of Turn Coat Republicans – they, truly, are un-American.

  75. @prime noticer
    "Is Trump Being Baited and Switched?"

    when is he not? even half of his 'allies' hate him and want him gone.

    Plus, I heard rumors that the Democrats were gloating over trapping him. Their hatred of him, and half the American people is truly revolting and frightening. I will never get over my visceral hatred of all Democrats.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    Their hatred of him, and half the American people is truly revolting and frightening. I will never get over my visceral hatred of all Democrats.
     
    Telling comment.

    The "bait and switch", should it succeed, marks the end of the legitimacy of the US Federal Government for the White working class (which is almost all of it). That is no small thing, and may make the US Federal Government unworkable in practice. Things move slowly on the level of workable/unworkable, but this bait and switch, should it occur, would be an historic marker event.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @MarkinLA
    He could have vetoed it and forced the GOP to side with the Dems on an override vote. That would have given him some cover on the bill.
  76. Honestly, bored identity starts to believe that having a bad hair decade, or two, is the only thing that Donald Trump and James Traficant ever had/ could have in common.

    Besides a penchant for cheap suits and NASA scientists, of course.

  77. @EliteCommInc.
    I would not be surprised. But in my view, the foreign policy position suffered what is probably a fatal blow when the president signed on to the intelligence report.

    When he agreed that Russia had in fact engaged in sabotaging the US election and did so at the express order of Pres. Putin. The previous foreign policy posture all but collapsed, and in truth -- placed the president in a no win position. He then sealed that when he agreed that Russia at the order of Pres Putin had in fact, attempted/and successfully murdered citizen and visitors to the UK. All three of those positions would male any state who so engaged an enemy of the US. And not just an enemy, an active enemy. Now if one reads that intel report like the intel report regarding Iraq in 2002/2003, the case is just not made. Nonetheless, the presidents about face on the question, meant that the US would have to treat Russia as an enemy of the US, the UK and europe, where several others states complained of Russian meddling.

    1. he had said there was no interference
    2. that the election process had not interfered with or impacted by collusion
    3. that the US would pursue some manner "friendly" relations with Russia out of mutual interest
    4. that the US would pull back interventions of regime change
    caveats: ISIS/ISIL and Iran.

    On that day, 1-4 all became non-issues of contention because Russia was an enemy of the US and her allies. The intel establishment and those that supported intervention. With nothing that challenges that assessment, Russian action/behavior counter to those of the US in hostile environments would need to be confronted -- Game, set, match, on foreign policy.

    Unless the president is willing to reverse the agreement on the intel report, in my view he is held hostage based on his own agreement. I thought it was a mistake then, I think so now. The evidence against Russia has been might scant. It is entirely possible to treat Russia as a competitor without buying into what has been an effective bid to undermine presidential legitimacy and undermine his policy agenda as well.

    That provides little comfort or manuever room for this president because he chose the advisers. And he did so knowing their views on him, and his agenda ahead of time.


    ---------------------


    As for the latest legislation -- when you have a history of constantly giving your opponents what they want in exchange for nothing -- I am not sure it matters. He made a policy stance and gave it away. And he did so when he had public support, again. I support this president, but if anyone can claim being baited and switched, its those who supported and voted for him and continue to do, despite having to wipe away the proverbial sand from our faces.

    Triple post alert; comment-edit bug resurfaces?. @Ron Unz @Steve Sailer

  78. @Anonymous
    The day after he was elected Trump BEGGED neocon Nikki Haley to be his Secretary of State.

    He then immediately reneged on any investigation of Hillary.

    He spent the first six months of his presidency BLOCKING any campaign supporters getting hired in his Whitehouse.

    He simultaneously fired by proxy (clean hands) all of the high level maga advisors.

    He's a uni party front man puppet. He always was. His actions are uni party while his rhetoric is maga.

    KUSHNER HAS F*** THE BASE TATOOED ON HIS EYELIDS

    #[Someone]2020

    Primary challenge from the Right.

  79. if tens of millions of non-urban Whites

    were stupid enough to vote for a palpable fraud like Trump in 2016,

    they’re stupid enough to do it again.

    maybe Anglin and VoxDay have finally seen through their “God Emperor”

    …but I doubt it.

  80. @Hail

    #Tulsi2020
     
    NumbersUSA Immigration Report Card:

    Tulsi Gabbard
    Career, 2013-2019: F
    Recent, 2017-2019: F-

    Updated February 15, 2019
     

    Doesnt matter. Tulsi dislikes jews. He is a single issue voter. She could play Ed Kemper with her mommy and he would still like her for prez.

  81. What a deal. Trump and the GOP cucktocracy give the immigration fifth columnists virtually everything they want and more. In exchange “we” get an emergency declaration that will be hung up in the courts for months or years while the invasion continues in high gear. Trump plans to say, in effect, “Gosh, I tried, really I did. Now, to all 100 million new Americans, ¡Buenos días!

  82. @nsa
    The title is misleading as to who is doing what to whom. It's the MAGA morons being "bait and switched" by the sleazy duplicitous peddler and lifelong Democrat, Trumpstein. If the old fraud had balls just 1/10 the size of the Omar babe's pair (willing to take on AIPAC directly), the MAGAs would be in great shape and get their promised wall.

    Omar took money from CAIR .

  83. @candid_observer
    Arguments do matter for those in the middle. Not everybody has gone crazy.

    Not everybody has gone crazy.

    Being loyal to your own people is not crazy.

  84. As far as I am concerned Thursday, February 14, 1019 was a day of infamy, worse, much worse than December 7, 1941. There was no doubt we would fight back to avenge Pearl Harbor, but now we are presented with a fait accompli, national suicide in which there is not a damn thing anyone of us can do about. We were sold down the river by the self-serving scumbags that occupy our seat of government. Obviously the damage has been done and I don’t see how it can be reversed. We now have nothing but one party rule to look forward to for generations to come. I am an old man and will not be affected very much, but I feel sick at heart for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who will be the ones to suffer.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    This is far from over. Take a look at Copley, _Uncivilization_. Affairs of this magnitude are singularities -- you don't know what the results will be, but you can sometimes pick out what won't make it through.

    Fall of the USSR:
    Problem: USSR manufacturing sector is turning valuable raw resources into worthless artifacts while, as a byproduct, poisoning the land ("industrial pollution" is the polite term). The USSR changed into something else (kleptocracy), then changed again (Russian Nationalism), picking perhaps the highest cost transition path. But the old USSR manufacturing sector is gone (as are several analogous activities).

    Transformation of Industrial Democracy
    Problem: Cities worldwide have become parasitic on the countryside. They are important politically (votes in the Democracy) and financially (headquarters of various organizations tend to be in large cities), but no longer important for transportation (shipping, local trucking) or manufacturing (Light and heavy manufacturing is now done in the countryside or perhaps the other side of the world -- see Marc Levinson_The Box_). Cities have lost or are losing their skilled workf force (Even the software industry on West Coast is an abomination for workers, with most of their "high income" going to local rent seekers, and with deteriorating working conditions due to city importation of low cost voters [1]). Simultaneously, the cities depend upon highly vulnerable utilities and transportation systems (neither of which are being maintained).
    So -- a number of bad and inefficient events occur, things get _much_ worse, and - surprise - the cities are gone. Probably democracy is gone with them, as sheer numbers of votes are the _only_ reason that cities are important today in industrialized countries.

    History itself doesn't determine who is right, it determines who is left.

    One might hope that Trump would represent his base, and that things could then be fought out within the existing political system. However, a national political establishment that appears determined to genocide its historic base population, the people who keep industrial civilization going (and this includes the USA and the EU) is incapable of settling affairs within its own system. Still, one could hope. The other way is so _very_ destructive.

    Historical example: Late Roman Empire / Persian Empire / Caliphate. You had a population with almost no immunity to various plagues, coupled with a "little winter" that made the population weaker than usual, coupled with nomadic tribal movements encouraged by the "little winter". The result was to make civilized life impossible -- cities became bacterial deathtraps and soldiers to defend frontiers no longer existed, and the central defense organization of the imperial government became ineffective, as did its policy of large scale welfare payments. The result was barbarian rule and abandonment of both cities and central government (exception being Byzantine Empire, which gradually lost ground from c.a. AD 700.).

    Present day analogy:
    van Creveld's work [1], which pointed out in 1996 that the civilized world had been shrinking and ungoverned regions had been growing since _1945!!!!_. We're told now that civilization is doing well and the world is better off, told to such a degree that one suspects an intense propaganda campaign. "World is better off" is an obvious lie -- previously civilized portions of the Middle East are now permanent war zones, the plan to civilize Afghanistan as clearly failed, and the "people lifted out of poverty" all turn out to be citizens of Asian states that have been civilized for millennia. Creveld's article is well worth reading.

    So: Don't be concerned about things working out. They always work out. It's like the old joke that ends: "No, an amputation would be a waste of money. Wait two or three weeks and they will fall off by themselves".

    Lest you say I'm being insensitive, let me remind you that I'm caught up in this too. Sometimes graveyard humor is the only alternative to no humor at all.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Low cost voters -- not really, of course. The effect is indirect -- the city's population base determines the city's representation, _even iff the population base does not vote_. A city with ten million population and one voter gets just as much representation as a city with ten million population and twenty million voters (e.g. a Chicago analog).

    2] Martin Van Creveld
    "The Fate of the State"
    _Parameters_, Spring, 1996.
    http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/96spring/creveld.htm
    , @Anonymous
    Neither of us will live to see it but there will be a revolution at some point. It will be bad. But we will win.
  85. Trump is a liar. He did what he planned to do all along. He never meant what he said. He is a vile old t -u-rd with a bad dye job.

    Bizarrely, the best hope is for a really crazy Dem administration in 2020. The vase needs to be broken.

    • Replies: @Mike Street Station

    Bizarrely, the best hope is for a really crazy Dem administration in 2020. The vase needs to be broken
     
    .

    The next really crazy Democratic administration will make sure that there won't be any Republican administrations after it.
  86. @istevefan
    I tuned into Rush briefly. He is working overtime trying to prop up Trump on this.

    I listened to the first hour of Rush. It left me completely sick at heart. It will be a complete waste of time to listen to him in the future, so I will assume a Yoga position and contemplate my navel.

  87. anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "Is Trump Being Baited and Switched?"

    Well, considering that this behavior is his trademark, especially to working whites, he should know.

    https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2019/01/05/has-bait-and-switch-become-a-trump-signature/

    https://nwlaborpress.org/2018/02/trumps-amazing-infrastructure-bait-and-switch/


    The reality is that both political parties are equally skilled at pulling this stunt repeatedly. Do they know better? Yes. Do they still do it? Of course, it's "the Swamp".

    Funny how Trump has yet to take decided action to drain it and avoid the pitfalls of being beholden to Jewish interests. I guess some people just outright refuse to NOTICE such things.

    You want Sailer to bad mouth Trump, we get it. Now that this is clear you can shut your piehole, cuck!

    BTW, What about RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA? You taking your meds? You seeing reality clearly now that the TDS fog has lifted from your brain. Did it stop you from getting chubbies from looking at pictures of Vox Day?

    • Replies: @nsa
    No, 276.....you are the cucked deplorable yokel. Corvinus as a Jew owns Trumpstein, but even he can't take much more of the duplicitous old fraud's "pitfalls of being beholden to Jewish interests". As the cliche goes.....many love the treason, but no one loves the traitor (except you, 276).
    , @Corvinus
    "You want Sailer to bad mouth Trump, we get it. "

    What apparently you do not get is that Mr. Sailer's silence on the Mueller investigation speaks volumes. He is being cagey. He does not want to box himself in one way or the other. However, that puts him in a bind from a consistency standpoint, as he laments when the mainstream media refuses to NOTICE certain things or admit that their own biases get in the way of reporting.

    "Now that this is clear you can shut your piehole, cuck!""

    Wow, triggered. Are you a secret SJW?
  88. @Lagertha
    Plus, I heard rumors that the Democrats were gloating over trapping him. Their hatred of him, and half the American people is truly revolting and frightening. I will never get over my visceral hatred of all Democrats.

    Their hatred of him, and half the American people is truly revolting and frightening. I will never get over my visceral hatred of all Democrats.

    Telling comment.

    The “bait and switch”, should it succeed, marks the end of the legitimacy of the US Federal Government for the White working class (which is almost all of it). That is no small thing, and may make the US Federal Government unworkable in practice. Things move slowly on the level of workable/unworkable, but this bait and switch, should it occur, would be an historic marker event.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    remember that. It is a movement.
  89. @bomag
    The thing has $3.5 billion for refugee resettlement, AKA "loot".

    We get the thrill of paying for our displacement.

    Even all the new Democrat voters should realize that they are getting screwed by such things.

    The thing has $3.5 billion for refugee resettlement, AKA “loot”.

    So that’s why they couldn’t come up with $5bn for the Wall.

  90. @Lagertha
    Plus, I heard rumors that the Democrats were gloating over trapping him. Their hatred of him, and half the American people is truly revolting and frightening. I will never get over my visceral hatred of all Democrats.

    He could have vetoed it and forced the GOP to side with the Dems on an override vote. That would have given him some cover on the bill.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    The Hill is CORRUPT.
  91. Poor wittle president, how can he be exercise due diligence before signing bills. All those pages!

  92. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    This deal is a joke.

    A few sections of wall in return for what amounts to an amnesy and even less interior enforcement is worse than nothing.

    No more bullshit escuses about his advisors failing him , Jared & Ivanka tricking him, 4D chess, etc. Trump failed.


    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    This deal is a joke.

    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    We need to face the truth. Mono-nationalism doesn’t work. It is also arrogant and stingy. Also, unlike Monotheism, it is about the real material world. When Ancient Jews believed in monotheism and said their God is the only true God while all other gods are false, it was an idea in their mind. People can believe in stuff without affecting the real world.

    In contrast, Modern Jews are into mono-nationalism that says Israel and Jewish tribalism are the only true nationalism while all goy nationalisms are false. This is about real world politics. So, when Jews are nationalist, it is noble and good because Jewish Mono-Nationalism says Zionism is the only true nationalism. It then naturally follows that when goyim seek nationalism, it is evil because only Jews can have the true and good nationalism.

    In the end, Christianity may have been good for the soul but was bad for politics. It undermined the nationalism of goyim. Consider the Crusades. Europeans acting as if the Holy Land is their real only homeland, the place to live for and die for and kill for. Many Crusaders were more obsessed with retaking or defending the Holy Land than their own native domain. They wasted precious resources on Crusades than on their own domains.

    Christianity always made white Christians look more toward the Holy Land than to their own home. If they were not trying to retake the Holy Land itself, they were trying to create New Edens and New Jerusalems around the world. In the 20th century, Christianity faded but Holocaust came to be worshiped as the new mono-faith, and so much of American political theme became all about securing the Holy Land for Holy Holocaust Jews.

    With such mindset, it’s no wonder Jewish Power has been so adept at undermining native goy nationalism in favor of the mono-nationalism of Jews. Mono-nationalist thought has two faces in American Politics. One face says: Jews are the only people who deserve a particular nationalism of their own. Other face says: Americanism is the only nationalism for all goyim, so America must become the nation for ALL peoples, and ALL nations must be ‘Americanized’, or deracinated and cucked into mindless consumerism as lifestyle and worship of Jews, blacks, and homos as new religion.

    Whites need to think more in terms of poly-nationalism: There are many different peoples with different histories, culture, and genetics. Each people have a legitimate claim to independence and sovereignty in their own territory in which they laid down roots and buried the ancestors. Otherwise, all nations will just turn into deforested weed-infested mudslides than remain forests with deep-rooted trees.

  93. @Simply Simon
    As far as I am concerned Thursday, February 14, 1019 was a day of infamy, worse, much worse than December 7, 1941. There was no doubt we would fight back to avenge Pearl Harbor, but now we are presented with a fait accompli, national suicide in which there is not a damn thing anyone of us can do about. We were sold down the river by the self-serving scumbags that occupy our seat of government. Obviously the damage has been done and I don't see how it can be reversed. We now have nothing but one party rule to look forward to for generations to come. I am an old man and will not be affected very much, but I feel sick at heart for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who will be the ones to suffer.

    This is far from over. Take a look at Copley, _Uncivilization_. Affairs of this magnitude are singularities — you don’t know what the results will be, but you can sometimes pick out what won’t make it through.

    Fall of the USSR:
    Problem: USSR manufacturing sector is turning valuable raw resources into worthless artifacts while, as a byproduct, poisoning the land (“industrial pollution” is the polite term). The USSR changed into something else (kleptocracy), then changed again (Russian Nationalism), picking perhaps the highest cost transition path. But the old USSR manufacturing sector is gone (as are several analogous activities).

    Transformation of Industrial Democracy
    Problem: Cities worldwide have become parasitic on the countryside. They are important politically (votes in the Democracy) and financially (headquarters of various organizations tend to be in large cities), but no longer important for transportation (shipping, local trucking) or manufacturing (Light and heavy manufacturing is now done in the countryside or perhaps the other side of the world — see Marc Levinson_The Box_). Cities have lost or are losing their skilled workf force (Even the software industry on West Coast is an abomination for workers, with most of their “high income” going to local rent seekers, and with deteriorating working conditions due to city importation of low cost voters [1]). Simultaneously, the cities depend upon highly vulnerable utilities and transportation systems (neither of which are being maintained).
    So — a number of bad and inefficient events occur, things get _much_ worse, and – surprise – the cities are gone. Probably democracy is gone with them, as sheer numbers of votes are the _only_ reason that cities are important today in industrialized countries.

    History itself doesn’t determine who is right, it determines who is left.

    One might hope that Trump would represent his base, and that things could then be fought out within the existing political system. However, a national political establishment that appears determined to genocide its historic base population, the people who keep industrial civilization going (and this includes the USA and the EU) is incapable of settling affairs within its own system. Still, one could hope. The other way is so _very_ destructive.

    Historical example: Late Roman Empire / Persian Empire / Caliphate. You had a population with almost no immunity to various plagues, coupled with a “little winter” that made the population weaker than usual, coupled with nomadic tribal movements encouraged by the “little winter”. The result was to make civilized life impossible — cities became bacterial deathtraps and soldiers to defend frontiers no longer existed, and the central defense organization of the imperial government became ineffective, as did its policy of large scale welfare payments. The result was barbarian rule and abandonment of both cities and central government (exception being Byzantine Empire, which gradually lost ground from c.a. AD 700.).

    Present day analogy:
    van Creveld’s work [1], which pointed out in 1996 that the civilized world had been shrinking and ungoverned regions had been growing since _1945!!!!_. We’re told now that civilization is doing well and the world is better off, told to such a degree that one suspects an intense propaganda campaign. “World is better off” is an obvious lie — previously civilized portions of the Middle East are now permanent war zones, the plan to civilize Afghanistan as clearly failed, and the “people lifted out of poverty” all turn out to be citizens of Asian states that have been civilized for millennia. Creveld’s article is well worth reading.

    So: Don’t be concerned about things working out. They always work out. It’s like the old joke that ends: “No, an amputation would be a waste of money. Wait two or three weeks and they will fall off by themselves”.

    Lest you say I’m being insensitive, let me remind you that I’m caught up in this too. Sometimes graveyard humor is the only alternative to no humor at all.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Low cost voters — not really, of course. The effect is indirect — the city’s population base determines the city’s representation, _even iff the population base does not vote_. A city with ten million population and one voter gets just as much representation as a city with ten million population and twenty million voters (e.g. a Chicago analog).

    2] Martin Van Creveld
    “The Fate of the State”
    _Parameters_, Spring, 1996.
    http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/96spring/creveld.htm

    • Replies: @joef
    Many good insights here. The purpose of cities in civilization is to bring together craftsman, and administrators, with certain skill sets that were centralized in order to provide for efficient commerce, and distribution of agricultural products. Then the industrial revolution came and cities became crowded, and living conditions declined. But as the socially stabilizing middle class grew things were able to improve again (with exceptions of events like the Great Depression).

    But cities were never able to feed, warm, or clothe themselves without outside inputs. And now that they have become afro american welfare islands, they have become desperate for financial inputs just to sustain normal city functions, which are crowded out by the ever expanding entitlement budgets. The cities are now in deep decline (and if not currently declining, they will eventually decline soon enough).

    One might hope that Trump would represent his base, and that things could then be fought out within the existing political system.
     
    When Trump said drain the swamp, I don't think he realized how deep the swamp actually is with deep state bureaucratic functionaries. From the very beginning there was political panic among the socialist Dems & corporatist Republicans, regarding his election.

    They exuded a desire to overturn the will of the people, with the MSM saying the election results was a narrow victory. This narrow victory mantra was utilized as to say the election was illegitimate; however if the opposition candidate received the same narrow victory, I am sure there would be no MSM complaints.

    They constantly would lament about how could the people have voted for such an obnoxious candidate. Yet they would never acknowledge the desperation of why people rather vote for Trump than a career political deceiver of today. They never acknowledged that the employment to population ratio showed a America that was desperate to work.

    While the elites ignored them, Trump spoke to them and promised to help them. Adding insult to injury, the congressional political deceivers rather see Trump's employment policies (and any other policy) fail, rather than help him to help the unemployed American people. That there animus superseded any concern to help the suffering American worker should be a wake up call to where our elites priorities are.

    But besides the political mess that Trump inherited, the inherited financial mess is even worse, with our national debt, certain States teetering on insolvency, and a stock market that is overvalued, over margined, and escalated on negative interest rate policy (the nominal interest rate minus the inflation rate equals a negative real interest rate). And if corrected through price discovery on Trump's watch, he will be holding the bag of blame for it.

    Trump is an imperfect solution, but he is much better than the rest of the political nest of vipers.
    [I believe our politicians/MSM/academics praise China's system, where big business and big government coexist together, because it is a system that both the corporatist republicans and socialist Dems can thrive in, at the expense of everyone else.]
  94. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    This deal is a joke.

    A few sections of wall in return for what amounts to an amnesy and even less interior enforcement is worse than nothing.

    No more bullshit escuses about his advisors failing him , Jared & Ivanka tricking him, 4D chess, etc. Trump failed.


    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    Curiously, Ctrl + F and either “Jack H” or “blackp” or “Eey” yields an empty set.

    Go figure.

  95. Like ah all-ways said: Family values don’t stop at no border.

    An’ now, thanks ta all them ex-members of mah adminustrashun messin’ around with Donald’s legislatin’, nothin’ else will never stop at no border, neither!

    You see, Jeb! really did win after all, heh heh heh.

    And like we all-ways said around the dinner table, don’t screw with our famb-lee. We git our revenge, no matter how much damage gotta be inflicted on the country.

    An’ ah am gitting mah North American Union, too, with all them people streamin’ in over them open borders, its the same thang in tha’ end. Heh heh, take that.

  96. @Hypnotoad666

    I think that if the Dems were thinking strategically they would give Trump his Wall. Then he wouldn’t have an issue any more.

    But now he can say to his supporters, “once more unto the breach, dear friends,” and rally us to the final assault in 2020.
     
    IMO, this post nails it.

    In the heat of political battle, it's often hard to keep the big perspective. The Wall was always going to be semi-effective at best as an actual immigration deterrent. It's really always been a symbol of pro-American Patriotism vs. Anti-American Globalism.

    Pro-American Patriotism is still popular and rallying its adherents (before they're completely in the minority) is the key to long-term success. So far Trump has done a good job of getting his opponents to commit to a position that pro-American Patriotism is "immoral." While he has defined himself as its beleaguered but indefatigable champion.

    That's a good place to be politically.

    A totally separate question is what's the long term realistic goal -- i.e., what immigration deal would eventually be acceptable which would preserve America and put its interests first. (Personally, I'd favor a compromise that allowed single male workers to temporarily stay and then return instead of bringing over families of dependents to settle here permanently).

    “The Wall was always going to be semi-effective at best as an actual immigration deterrent. It’s really always been a symbol…”

    Build the MacGuffin!

  97. @Simply Simon
    As far as I am concerned Thursday, February 14, 1019 was a day of infamy, worse, much worse than December 7, 1941. There was no doubt we would fight back to avenge Pearl Harbor, but now we are presented with a fait accompli, national suicide in which there is not a damn thing anyone of us can do about. We were sold down the river by the self-serving scumbags that occupy our seat of government. Obviously the damage has been done and I don't see how it can be reversed. We now have nothing but one party rule to look forward to for generations to come. I am an old man and will not be affected very much, but I feel sick at heart for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who will be the ones to suffer.

    Neither of us will live to see it but there will be a revolution at some point. It will be bad. But we will win.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    "But we will win." We can only hope, but what happens apres le deluge? Don't most revolutions go through cycles including anarchy at some point and the possibility of a strongman taking control? And the bloodshed may make the French revolution pale in comparison. I would like you to spell out in more detail what you believe to be a realistic scenario involving "revolution."
  98. Can we, at least, have Trump signing a presidential decree that will enforce full embargo on a shameless retconning of any events that occured prior to… 2018 ?

    “Trump also said he was working with Mexican officials to break up “monstrous” caravans coming to the United States” and claimed that he had successfully stopped the previous caravan that tried to cross in Tijuana in 2018.

    “If we didn’t have the wall up and secured and strengthened, they would have walked right through,” Trump said. “They would be welcome to the United States

    Art of the Gaffe.

  99. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/us/politics/trump-national-emergency-border.html

    [Trump] was concerned that signing the measure could impose restraints on his ability to tap other funds and was urged by his chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, to tell Republican leaders to instead pass a short-term bill to keep the government open while reopening negotiations, according to a Republican briefed on the situation.

    … Trump asked Mr. McConnell whether the spending measure included any hidden provisions or “land mines,” and the senator reassured him it did not, according to a person familiar with the call.

    Similarly, Kirstjen Nielsen, the homeland security secretary, and White House lawyers told him that he could still move money around, and Ms. Nielsen said that the spending package was actually better than a short-term measure. Mr. McConnell argued that it was a win over Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

  100. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    This deal is a joke.

    A few sections of wall in return for what amounts to an amnesy and even less interior enforcement is worse than nothing.

    No more bullshit escuses about his advisors failing him , Jared & Ivanka tricking him, 4D chess, etc. Trump failed.


    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    No more bullshit escuses about his advisors failing him , Jared & Ivanka tricking him, 4D chess, etc. Trump failed.

    Yep. No more excuses.

    This fight is so easy to explain and take to the voters:
    — the money is chicken sheet–fractions of percent in our budget for the whole wall
    — the crisis is clear, with these caravans and the opportunity to claim asylum that has been a disaster–cue Merkel’s madness–for Europe; if allowed millions will come and once they get in–with our catch-and-release policy, they’re in;
    — and the Democrats welcome this–are for open borders; refusing to do anything to secure the border is being for open borders–very easy to explain.

    Trump should
    — demand funding for the full wall; mandatory eVerify; end\tighening on asylum claims; funding for out of the country asylum camp
    — sign necessary funding for essential services
    — explain his position and Democrats open borders obstinacy
    — then let the shutdown roll out
    — after 30 days he can even furlough vast numbers of useless bureaucrats–another smaller win

    And he’ll win–plus consolidate his base and have framed the election issue.

    But Trump doesn’t do any of that. Rather he promises to absolutely drown America in immigration without end to inevitably (basic math!) turn my nation into a shithole.

    We all knew Trump was a flyer. Pinning nationalist hopes on a egomanical bozo. But there was always some hope. He seemed to kind of “get it” and had some visceral reactions that looked promising. And he was willing to take on, mock and humilate several establishment clowns.
    But it turns out he’s just a bozo. He has the attention span of a flea. He’s unwilling to put in any work to really understand what’s important. He’s really a terrible deal-maker. And he can’t even stand up to his own daughter.

    He may well get re-elected if the economy stays healthy, simply because the Democrats field some bozo. But Trump isn’t going to make America great again.

    • Agree: densa
  101. @anonymous
    You want Sailer to bad mouth Trump, we get it. Now that this is clear you can shut your piehole, cuck!

    BTW, What about RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA? You taking your meds? You seeing reality clearly now that the TDS fog has lifted from your brain. Did it stop you from getting chubbies from looking at pictures of Vox Day?

    No, 276…..you are the cucked deplorable yokel. Corvinus as a Jew owns Trumpstein, but even he can’t take much more of the duplicitous old fraud’s “pitfalls of being beholden to Jewish interests”. As the cliche goes…..many love the treason, but no one loves the traitor (except you, 276).

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Corvinus as a Jew owns Trumpstein..."

    Nope. I am Goy. Pure Goy. German, Dutch, and Polish.
  102. Fucking hell man — the obviously better question is whether Drumpf is baiting-and-switching those who believed his campaign rhetoric and voted for him — and thereby shitting all over them by signing this bill.

    https://twitter.com/heyitsjojobo/status/1096448992681099265

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    So, Mr. Sailer, any trenchant comment for eah and Comment 101?
  103. Anonymous[167] • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah, the Jew thing. Do you, nsa, want Sailer to NOTICE the Trump Jew thing?

    What makes you think Corvinus is Jewish anyway? Does he have a big nose? Horns?

    Jewish or not he had a bad case of RUSSIATRUMPRUSSIA TDS which seems to be under control. Modern medicine is wonderful!

  104. Fox has a piece out quoting the DHS saying that the poison pill claims are overblown:

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    https://twitter.com/Gingrich_of_PA/status/1096505022198792193
  105. @IHTG
    The hard-line immigration restriction agenda seems to be purely defensive. Hold the line, no amnesty, hold the line, no amnesty. Inevitably, the Democrats manage to break through this overextended front at the points of least resistance.

    One option is to continue to fight and slowly lose this war of attrition, hoping that a truly popular immigration restrictionist president appears down the line and reverses those losses. This seems to be the strategy espoused by Mark Krikorian and other professional immigration restriction lobbyists.

    Another option is to make an ambitious concession to the Democrats in exchange for a populist reform of the immigration system. Like an amnesty for all illegal aliens in exchange for a complete shutdown of low-skilled immigration to the United States. This seems to be the strategy espoused by "reformicons" like Reihan Salam.

    There is a big, glaring option you are overlooking. A nationalist alternative.

    Things look bad with the deflating of, and now collapse of, the Trump political bubble, but a true nationalist alternative is now thinkable for more and more.

    • LOL: IHTG
  106. @Anonymous
    How can it be bait & switch when there is scant evidence that Trump actually opposes anything McConnell Mafia does?

    Trump's rhetoric opposes GOPe...

    Trump's actions almost never do.

    This president represents the widest gap between rhetoric and action that we have ever seen.

    Latest actions (not rhetoric):

    New AG Barr is Bush family globalist swamp creature

    New Special Envoy to Venezuela Elliot Abrams is the Bush family's go-to advance man for Neocon regime change

    This president represents the widest gap between rhetoric and action that we have ever seen.

    @realDonaldTrump would be the biggest critic of this president’s policies, retreats, missteps, time-wasting failures — absent the ego thing (that they are technically the same person).

    (Jekyll’s goonish handlers find a way to neutralize and kill Hyde, but still force Hyde to parade Jekyll’s corpse around, as if to project that Hyde is still alive and well.)

  107. @Counterinsurgency
    This is far from over. Take a look at Copley, _Uncivilization_. Affairs of this magnitude are singularities -- you don't know what the results will be, but you can sometimes pick out what won't make it through.

    Fall of the USSR:
    Problem: USSR manufacturing sector is turning valuable raw resources into worthless artifacts while, as a byproduct, poisoning the land ("industrial pollution" is the polite term). The USSR changed into something else (kleptocracy), then changed again (Russian Nationalism), picking perhaps the highest cost transition path. But the old USSR manufacturing sector is gone (as are several analogous activities).

    Transformation of Industrial Democracy
    Problem: Cities worldwide have become parasitic on the countryside. They are important politically (votes in the Democracy) and financially (headquarters of various organizations tend to be in large cities), but no longer important for transportation (shipping, local trucking) or manufacturing (Light and heavy manufacturing is now done in the countryside or perhaps the other side of the world -- see Marc Levinson_The Box_). Cities have lost or are losing their skilled workf force (Even the software industry on West Coast is an abomination for workers, with most of their "high income" going to local rent seekers, and with deteriorating working conditions due to city importation of low cost voters [1]). Simultaneously, the cities depend upon highly vulnerable utilities and transportation systems (neither of which are being maintained).
    So -- a number of bad and inefficient events occur, things get _much_ worse, and - surprise - the cities are gone. Probably democracy is gone with them, as sheer numbers of votes are the _only_ reason that cities are important today in industrialized countries.

    History itself doesn't determine who is right, it determines who is left.

    One might hope that Trump would represent his base, and that things could then be fought out within the existing political system. However, a national political establishment that appears determined to genocide its historic base population, the people who keep industrial civilization going (and this includes the USA and the EU) is incapable of settling affairs within its own system. Still, one could hope. The other way is so _very_ destructive.

    Historical example: Late Roman Empire / Persian Empire / Caliphate. You had a population with almost no immunity to various plagues, coupled with a "little winter" that made the population weaker than usual, coupled with nomadic tribal movements encouraged by the "little winter". The result was to make civilized life impossible -- cities became bacterial deathtraps and soldiers to defend frontiers no longer existed, and the central defense organization of the imperial government became ineffective, as did its policy of large scale welfare payments. The result was barbarian rule and abandonment of both cities and central government (exception being Byzantine Empire, which gradually lost ground from c.a. AD 700.).

    Present day analogy:
    van Creveld's work [1], which pointed out in 1996 that the civilized world had been shrinking and ungoverned regions had been growing since _1945!!!!_. We're told now that civilization is doing well and the world is better off, told to such a degree that one suspects an intense propaganda campaign. "World is better off" is an obvious lie -- previously civilized portions of the Middle East are now permanent war zones, the plan to civilize Afghanistan as clearly failed, and the "people lifted out of poverty" all turn out to be citizens of Asian states that have been civilized for millennia. Creveld's article is well worth reading.

    So: Don't be concerned about things working out. They always work out. It's like the old joke that ends: "No, an amputation would be a waste of money. Wait two or three weeks and they will fall off by themselves".

    Lest you say I'm being insensitive, let me remind you that I'm caught up in this too. Sometimes graveyard humor is the only alternative to no humor at all.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Low cost voters -- not really, of course. The effect is indirect -- the city's population base determines the city's representation, _even iff the population base does not vote_. A city with ten million population and one voter gets just as much representation as a city with ten million population and twenty million voters (e.g. a Chicago analog).

    2] Martin Van Creveld
    "The Fate of the State"
    _Parameters_, Spring, 1996.
    http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/96spring/creveld.htm

    Many good insights here. The purpose of cities in civilization is to bring together craftsman, and administrators, with certain skill sets that were centralized in order to provide for efficient commerce, and distribution of agricultural products. Then the industrial revolution came and cities became crowded, and living conditions declined. But as the socially stabilizing middle class grew things were able to improve again (with exceptions of events like the Great Depression).

    But cities were never able to feed, warm, or clothe themselves without outside inputs. And now that they have become afro american welfare islands, they have become desperate for financial inputs just to sustain normal city functions, which are crowded out by the ever expanding entitlement budgets. The cities are now in deep decline (and if not currently declining, they will eventually decline soon enough).

    One might hope that Trump would represent his base, and that things could then be fought out within the existing political system.

    When Trump said drain the swamp, I don’t think he realized how deep the swamp actually is with deep state bureaucratic functionaries. From the very beginning there was political panic among the socialist Dems & corporatist Republicans, regarding his election.

    They exuded a desire to overturn the will of the people, with the MSM saying the election results was a narrow victory. This narrow victory mantra was utilized as to say the election was illegitimate; however if the opposition candidate received the same narrow victory, I am sure there would be no MSM complaints.

    They constantly would lament about how could the people have voted for such an obnoxious candidate. Yet they would never acknowledge the desperation of why people rather vote for Trump than a career political deceiver of today. They never acknowledged that the employment to population ratio showed a America that was desperate to work.

    While the elites ignored them, Trump spoke to them and promised to help them. Adding insult to injury, the congressional political deceivers rather see Trump’s employment policies (and any other policy) fail, rather than help him to help the unemployed American people. That there animus superseded any concern to help the suffering American worker should be a wake up call to where our elites priorities are.

    But besides the political mess that Trump inherited, the inherited financial mess is even worse, with our national debt, certain States teetering on insolvency, and a stock market that is overvalued, over margined, and escalated on negative interest rate policy (the nominal interest rate minus the inflation rate equals a negative real interest rate). And if corrected through price discovery on Trump’s watch, he will be holding the bag of blame for it.

    Trump is an imperfect solution, but he is much better than the rest of the political nest of vipers.
    [I believe our politicians/MSM/academics praise China’s system, where big business and big government coexist together, because it is a system that both the corporatist republicans and socialist Dems can thrive in, at the expense of everyone else.]

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    I've spent a few years in the middle of the swamp.

    The loss of core competence (in accomplishing the basic mission or even task) is almost complete. Core competence has been replaced by intersectionality and political competence. Physical and financial reality has been replaced by political reality. This is important because _the swamp doesn't know how to do anything else_. Put on the civil market, swamp dwellers would rapidly go on welfare.
    As a result, swamp dwellers think as they have to if they want to sleep at night: their demands (whatever these demands are) are entirely reasonable, they are just average folks trying to get through life, they don't really ask for much, and they work very hard at their jobs, all the harder if the jobs are meaningless and their background for doing these jobs nonexistent. All that was inevitable once the Civil Service exams were gutted back in the AD 1960s. Political leaders have the above situation _plus_ most or all of them are (under almost any interpretation of the laws) felons. (This is why Mueller was so sure he would find something serious if he just looked. He thought that everybody in politics was a felon.)
    This explains the hysteria over Trump. The swamp dwellers _cannot live in industrial society_, same as their constituencies. That's not surprising, when you think about it. The ideal environment for patronage employees who cannot live in industrial society is one in which _everybody_ is incapable in that way. The ideal leader is somebody who can't live in industrial society. If Trump really "drained the swamp", its inhabitants would have all the chance of survival that alligators have after their home swamp is drained. [1]
    In summary, the conflict is about the survival of two sides. Such conflicts are intractable, but can be won, sort of (Rome vs. Carthage).

    Looking over the longer term: the Renaissance was a similar time[2], as was the 30 Years War [3], and even the aftermath of the 30 Years War. These, however, were also the years of Western breakout (c.a. AD 1492 until perhaps AD 1945). There is always the chance of that happening again. We have several capabilities that are just as revolutionary as the world spanning European sailing vessels, and at least some of them are being developed right now. It's possible that all we're looking at is a very rough patch ahead, a "restructuring" of the sort that the West has been undergoing every 70 to 80 years since the Renaissance (and arguably since the 100 year's war). Cheer up, it's probably not the end of the everything, just the end of us, and we wern't going to live forever anyway.

    Counterinsurgency


    1] There is an American story about a person who gradually trained a fish to live on dry land, and even to follow him about on a leash. The story had a bad ending when the trained fish fell into a creek and drowned. Moral: you can't leave your native element, even with training. Or, maybe, you can leave it, but it's best not to go back. Or, maybe, don't believe tall tales.

    2] Northern Barbarian states, recently formed, with completely novel gunpowder cannon, go through Italy's defenses like a knife through wet cardboard, loot Rome, and then use Italy as a fencing mat while inconclusively trying to settle their differences. Italy had been the last bastion of civilization in the West, and is destroyed by the fighting. This was obviously the end of everything, except it wasn't.

    3] Southern European Barbarians invade Northern European Barbarians in an apparent effort to unify Europe and clear their northern flank so that they can successfully stop the invasion of Eastern Europe by the Turks. The simple flank clearing operation turns into a bloody attrition war in which the weapons used (the Tercio) threatened to end civilization by killing all civilians in the Tercio's path. The Tercio, you see, provided almost all its own logistical support by eating all the civilians' food, so the civilians subsequently starved to death. Talk about a WMD. Napoleon later did pretty much the same thing to feed his mass armies. The 30 Years War destroyed so much that European society was completely restructured to prevent a recurrence. Obviously the end of everything, except it wasn't.
    , @Counterinsurgency
    I've spent a few years in the middle of the swamp.

    The loss of core competence (in accomplishing the basic mission or even task) is almost complete. Core competence has been replaced by intersectionality and political competence. Physical and financial reality has been replaced by political reality. This is important because _the swamp doesn't know how to do anything else_. Put on the civil market, swamp dwellers would rapidly go on welfare.
    As a result, swamp dwellers think as they have to if they want to sleep at night: their demands (whatever these demands are) are entirely reasonable, they are just average folks trying to get through life, they don't really ask for much, and they work very hard at their jobs, all the harder if the jobs are meaningless and their background for doing these jobs nonexistent. All that was inevitable once the Civil Service exams were gutted back in the AD 1960s. Political leaders have the above situation _plus_ most or all of them are (under almost any interpretation of the laws) felons. (This is why Mueller was so sure he would find something serious if he just looked. He thought that everybody in politics was a felon.)
    This explains the hysteria over Trump. The swamp dwellers _cannot live in industrial society_, same as their constituencies. That's not surprising, when you think about it. The ideal environment for patronage employees who cannot live in industrial society is one in which _everybody_ is incapable in that way. The ideal leader is somebody who can't live in industrial society. If Trump really "drained the swamp", its inhabitants would have all the chance of survival that alligators have after their home swamp is drained. [1]
    In summary, the conflict is about the survival of two sides. Such conflicts are intractable, but can be won, sort of (Rome vs. Carthage).

    Looking over the longer term: the Renaissance was a similar time[2], as was the 30 Years War [3], and even the aftermath of the 30 Years War. These, however, were also the years of Western breakout (c.a. AD 1492 until perhaps AD 1945). There is always the chance of that happening again. We have several capabilities that are just as revolutionary as the world spanning European sailing vessels, and at least some of them are being developed right now. It's possible that all we're looking at is a very rough patch ahead, a "restructuring" of the sort that the West has been undergoing every 70 to 80 years since the Renaissance (and arguably since the 100 year's war). Cheer up, it's probably not the end of the everything, just the end of us, and we wern't going to live forever anyway.

    Counterinsurgency


    1] There is an American story about a person who gradually trained a fish to live on dry land, and even to follow him about on a leash. The story had a bad ending when the trained fish fell into a creek and drowned. Moral: you can't leave your native element, even with training. Or, maybe, you can leave it, but it's best not to go back. Or, maybe, don't believe tall tales.

    2] Northern Barbarian states, recently formed, with completely novel gunpowder cannon, go through Italy's defenses like a knife through wet cardboard, loot Rome, and then use Italy as a fencing mat while inconclusively trying to settle their differences. Italy had been the last bastion of civilization in the West, and is destroyed by the fighting. This was obviously the end of everything, except it wasn't.

    3] Southern European Barbarians invade Northern European Barbarians in an apparent effort to unify Europe and clear their northern flank so that they can successfully stop the invasion of Eastern Europe by the Turks. The simple flank clearing operation turns into a bloody attrition war in which the weapons used (the Tercio) threatened to end civilization by killing all civilians in the Tercio's path. The Tercio, you see, provided almost all its own logistical support by eating all the civilians' food, so the civilians subsequently starved to death. Talk about a WMD. Napoleon later did pretty much the same thing to feed his mass armies. The 30 Years War destroyed so much that European society was completely restructured to prevent a recurrence. Obviously the end of everything, except it wasn't.
  108. @LondonBob
    Trump's ineptitude certainly lends itself to conspiracy theories. Even taking in to account his lack of experience running a large bureaucracy, governmental experience, his complete lack of allies or Kushner his decisions on certain issues seem baffling. I was hoping he would learn but he seems to be repeating his glaring error in signing the last spending bill.

    He’s simply not up to the job. The Dems must be dancing jigs tonight.

  109. I made money in the stock market today. Feels good! Oh, and the president signed the death warrant for my country, but you can’t have everything.

    • LOL: MarkinLA
  110. Another white pill for you boys.

    • Replies: @Hail
    http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg
    "The fact is that as soon as they reach the Rio Grande, we will besiege them and apprehend them....Wherever they go, they will find themselves encircled."

    "On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the illegals who were apprehended and the number of destroyed drug-cartel vehicles. The operation continues."

    "We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of apprehensions we have inflicted."

    "You can go and visit those places. Nothing there, nothing at all. There are ICE checkpoints. Everything is okay."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF_D9ILqmQo

  111. White pill #3.

  112. Trump gave off the aura of a street fighting lion during the campaign. Then the minute he got in he started signaling that we was willing to compromise. That told everybody he was a squish. If he had signed the EO to end DACA on day one as he promised, the Dems would have been forced to come to the table to get something and it might have signaled to GOPe that there really was a new sheriff in town. This is something much different than making a business deal. In politics you sometimes have to twist a few arms. Ryan and McConnell were never put in that position by Trump.

    Once he started negotiating with himself on DACA it just made him look weaker and more pathetic. I think everybody then realized he really wasn’t a fighter and it had all been for show during the campaign. Remember he only really ran because they made fun of him at some dinner.

    Gorka was on the radio today whining about Ann Coulter. Team Trump is really trying hard on damage control. I think they know they are losing their base with this fecklessness.

    • Replies: @Hail

    Team Trump is really trying hard on damage control
     
    Wheat, chaff.

    We are the wheat. The cheerleaders are the chaff.

    #WheatForPresident2020
  113. @MarkinLA
    Trump gave off the aura of a street fighting lion during the campaign. Then the minute he got in he started signaling that we was willing to compromise. That told everybody he was a squish. If he had signed the EO to end DACA on day one as he promised, the Dems would have been forced to come to the table to get something and it might have signaled to GOPe that there really was a new sheriff in town. This is something much different than making a business deal. In politics you sometimes have to twist a few arms. Ryan and McConnell were never put in that position by Trump.

    Once he started negotiating with himself on DACA it just made him look weaker and more pathetic. I think everybody then realized he really wasn't a fighter and it had all been for show during the campaign. Remember he only really ran because they made fun of him at some dinner.

    Gorka was on the radio today whining about Ann Coulter. Team Trump is really trying hard on damage control. I think they know they are losing their base with this fecklessness.

    Team Trump is really trying hard on damage control

    Wheat, chaff.

    We are the wheat. The cheerleaders are the chaff.

    #WheatForPresident2020

  114. @Dave Pinsen
    Another white pill for you boys.

    https://twitter.com/lokijulianus/status/1096552094906155014?s=21

    “The fact is that as soon as they reach the Rio Grande, we will besiege them and apprehend them….Wherever they go, they will find themselves encircled.”

    “On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the illegals who were apprehended and the number of destroyed drug-cartel vehicles. The operation continues.”

    “We’re giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn’t accurately describe the level of apprehensions we have inflicted.”

    “You can go and visit those places. Nothing there, nothing at all. There are ICE checkpoints. Everything is okay.”

  115. This is politics, folks. We don’t know what happens behind the scenes. Maybe Trump has thrown in the towel because he’s been briefed by the higher-ups in the system that no wall will ever be built no matter what, short of a Civil War, or he’s being blackmailed. End of story.

  116. @Dave Pinsen
    Fox has a piece out quoting the DHS saying that the poison pill claims are overblown:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRLottJr/status/1096591891821412352

  117. Can a federal law be changed by a spending bill, which has a sunset clause?

  118. @joef
    Many good insights here. The purpose of cities in civilization is to bring together craftsman, and administrators, with certain skill sets that were centralized in order to provide for efficient commerce, and distribution of agricultural products. Then the industrial revolution came and cities became crowded, and living conditions declined. But as the socially stabilizing middle class grew things were able to improve again (with exceptions of events like the Great Depression).

    But cities were never able to feed, warm, or clothe themselves without outside inputs. And now that they have become afro american welfare islands, they have become desperate for financial inputs just to sustain normal city functions, which are crowded out by the ever expanding entitlement budgets. The cities are now in deep decline (and if not currently declining, they will eventually decline soon enough).

    One might hope that Trump would represent his base, and that things could then be fought out within the existing political system.
     
    When Trump said drain the swamp, I don't think he realized how deep the swamp actually is with deep state bureaucratic functionaries. From the very beginning there was political panic among the socialist Dems & corporatist Republicans, regarding his election.

    They exuded a desire to overturn the will of the people, with the MSM saying the election results was a narrow victory. This narrow victory mantra was utilized as to say the election was illegitimate; however if the opposition candidate received the same narrow victory, I am sure there would be no MSM complaints.

    They constantly would lament about how could the people have voted for such an obnoxious candidate. Yet they would never acknowledge the desperation of why people rather vote for Trump than a career political deceiver of today. They never acknowledged that the employment to population ratio showed a America that was desperate to work.

    While the elites ignored them, Trump spoke to them and promised to help them. Adding insult to injury, the congressional political deceivers rather see Trump's employment policies (and any other policy) fail, rather than help him to help the unemployed American people. That there animus superseded any concern to help the suffering American worker should be a wake up call to where our elites priorities are.

    But besides the political mess that Trump inherited, the inherited financial mess is even worse, with our national debt, certain States teetering on insolvency, and a stock market that is overvalued, over margined, and escalated on negative interest rate policy (the nominal interest rate minus the inflation rate equals a negative real interest rate). And if corrected through price discovery on Trump's watch, he will be holding the bag of blame for it.

    Trump is an imperfect solution, but he is much better than the rest of the political nest of vipers.
    [I believe our politicians/MSM/academics praise China's system, where big business and big government coexist together, because it is a system that both the corporatist republicans and socialist Dems can thrive in, at the expense of everyone else.]

    I’ve spent a few years in the middle of the swamp.

    The loss of core competence (in accomplishing the basic mission or even task) is almost complete. Core competence has been replaced by intersectionality and political competence. Physical and financial reality has been replaced by political reality. This is important because _the swamp doesn’t know how to do anything else_. Put on the civil market, swamp dwellers would rapidly go on welfare.
    As a result, swamp dwellers think as they have to if they want to sleep at night: their demands (whatever these demands are) are entirely reasonable, they are just average folks trying to get through life, they don’t really ask for much, and they work very hard at their jobs, all the harder if the jobs are meaningless and their background for doing these jobs nonexistent. All that was inevitable once the Civil Service exams were gutted back in the AD 1960s. Political leaders have the above situation _plus_ most or all of them are (under almost any interpretation of the laws) felons. (This is why Mueller was so sure he would find something serious if he just looked. He thought that everybody in politics was a felon.)
    This explains the hysteria over Trump. The swamp dwellers _cannot live in industrial society_, same as their constituencies. That’s not surprising, when you think about it. The ideal environment for patronage employees who cannot live in industrial society is one in which _everybody_ is incapable in that way. The ideal leader is somebody who can’t live in industrial society. If Trump really “drained the swamp”, its inhabitants would have all the chance of survival that alligators have after their home swamp is drained. [1]
    In summary, the conflict is about the survival of two sides. Such conflicts are intractable, but can be won, sort of (Rome vs. Carthage).

    Looking over the longer term: the Renaissance was a similar time[2], as was the 30 Years War [3], and even the aftermath of the 30 Years War. These, however, were also the years of Western breakout (c.a. AD 1492 until perhaps AD 1945). There is always the chance of that happening again. We have several capabilities that are just as revolutionary as the world spanning European sailing vessels, and at least some of them are being developed right now. It’s possible that all we’re looking at is a very rough patch ahead, a “restructuring” of the sort that the West has been undergoing every 70 to 80 years since the Renaissance (and arguably since the 100 year’s war). Cheer up, it’s probably not the end of the everything, just the end of us, and we wern’t going to live forever anyway.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] There is an American story about a person who gradually trained a fish to live on dry land, and even to follow him about on a leash. The story had a bad ending when the trained fish fell into a creek and drowned. Moral: you can’t leave your native element, even with training. Or, maybe, you can leave it, but it’s best not to go back. Or, maybe, don’t believe tall tales.

    2] Northern Barbarian states, recently formed, with completely novel gunpowder cannon, go through Italy’s defenses like a knife through wet cardboard, loot Rome, and then use Italy as a fencing mat while inconclusively trying to settle their differences. Italy had been the last bastion of civilization in the West, and is destroyed by the fighting. This was obviously the end of everything, except it wasn’t.

    3] Southern European Barbarians invade Northern European Barbarians in an apparent effort to unify Europe and clear their northern flank so that they can successfully stop the invasion of Eastern Europe by the Turks. The simple flank clearing operation turns into a bloody attrition war in which the weapons used (the Tercio) threatened to end civilization by killing all civilians in the Tercio’s path. The Tercio, you see, provided almost all its own logistical support by eating all the civilians’ food, so the civilians subsequently starved to death. Talk about a WMD. Napoleon later did pretty much the same thing to feed his mass armies. The 30 Years War destroyed so much that European society was completely restructured to prevent a recurrence. Obviously the end of everything, except it wasn’t.

    • Replies: @joef

    It’s possible that all we’re looking at is a very rough patch ahead, a “restructuring” of the sort that the West has been undergoing every 70 to 80 years since the Renaissance (and arguably since the 100 year’s war). Cheer up, it’s probably not the end of the everything, just the end of us, and we wern’t going to live forever anyway.
     
    Correct, no matter what, worry & despair will not be productive, even if the current trend line towards chaotic financial/social instability is not diverted. Rome fell, people lived, had children, and died, until eventually Charlemagne arrived. Humans have found meaning in their struggles (probably a lot more meaning than our contemporary narcissistic/materialistic culture of today).

    The exorbitant financial debt is beyond a USA problem, and is actually a worldwide phenomenon, that the IMF even expresses concern over. Things collapse, then reorganize, society becomes local, and people eventually thrive again. Nothing is truly new in human history, with the exception of technology. But technology will not make us exempt from our own human folly. Eventually ignored reality prevails over human folly, and those who avoided foolish confirmation bias will have a better chance in overcoming the difficulties.

  119. @joef
    Many good insights here. The purpose of cities in civilization is to bring together craftsman, and administrators, with certain skill sets that were centralized in order to provide for efficient commerce, and distribution of agricultural products. Then the industrial revolution came and cities became crowded, and living conditions declined. But as the socially stabilizing middle class grew things were able to improve again (with exceptions of events like the Great Depression).

    But cities were never able to feed, warm, or clothe themselves without outside inputs. And now that they have become afro american welfare islands, they have become desperate for financial inputs just to sustain normal city functions, which are crowded out by the ever expanding entitlement budgets. The cities are now in deep decline (and if not currently declining, they will eventually decline soon enough).

    One might hope that Trump would represent his base, and that things could then be fought out within the existing political system.
     
    When Trump said drain the swamp, I don't think he realized how deep the swamp actually is with deep state bureaucratic functionaries. From the very beginning there was political panic among the socialist Dems & corporatist Republicans, regarding his election.

    They exuded a desire to overturn the will of the people, with the MSM saying the election results was a narrow victory. This narrow victory mantra was utilized as to say the election was illegitimate; however if the opposition candidate received the same narrow victory, I am sure there would be no MSM complaints.

    They constantly would lament about how could the people have voted for such an obnoxious candidate. Yet they would never acknowledge the desperation of why people rather vote for Trump than a career political deceiver of today. They never acknowledged that the employment to population ratio showed a America that was desperate to work.

    While the elites ignored them, Trump spoke to them and promised to help them. Adding insult to injury, the congressional political deceivers rather see Trump's employment policies (and any other policy) fail, rather than help him to help the unemployed American people. That there animus superseded any concern to help the suffering American worker should be a wake up call to where our elites priorities are.

    But besides the political mess that Trump inherited, the inherited financial mess is even worse, with our national debt, certain States teetering on insolvency, and a stock market that is overvalued, over margined, and escalated on negative interest rate policy (the nominal interest rate minus the inflation rate equals a negative real interest rate). And if corrected through price discovery on Trump's watch, he will be holding the bag of blame for it.

    Trump is an imperfect solution, but he is much better than the rest of the political nest of vipers.
    [I believe our politicians/MSM/academics praise China's system, where big business and big government coexist together, because it is a system that both the corporatist republicans and socialist Dems can thrive in, at the expense of everyone else.]

    I’ve spent a few years in the middle of the swamp.

    The loss of core competence (in accomplishing the basic mission or even task) is almost complete. Core competence has been replaced by intersectionality and political competence. Physical and financial reality has been replaced by political reality. This is important because _the swamp doesn’t know how to do anything else_. Put on the civil market, swamp dwellers would rapidly go on welfare.
    As a result, swamp dwellers think as they have to if they want to sleep at night: their demands (whatever these demands are) are entirely reasonable, they are just average folks trying to get through life, they don’t really ask for much, and they work very hard at their jobs, all the harder if the jobs are meaningless and their background for doing these jobs nonexistent. All that was inevitable once the Civil Service exams were gutted back in the AD 1960s. Political leaders have the above situation _plus_ most or all of them are (under almost any interpretation of the laws) felons. (This is why Mueller was so sure he would find something serious if he just looked. He thought that everybody in politics was a felon.)
    This explains the hysteria over Trump. The swamp dwellers _cannot live in industrial society_, same as their constituencies. That’s not surprising, when you think about it. The ideal environment for patronage employees who cannot live in industrial society is one in which _everybody_ is incapable in that way. The ideal leader is somebody who can’t live in industrial society. If Trump really “drained the swamp”, its inhabitants would have all the chance of survival that alligators have after their home swamp is drained. [1]
    In summary, the conflict is about the survival of two sides. Such conflicts are intractable, but can be won, sort of (Rome vs. Carthage).

    Looking over the longer term: the Renaissance was a similar time[2], as was the 30 Years War [3], and even the aftermath of the 30 Years War. These, however, were also the years of Western breakout (c.a. AD 1492 until perhaps AD 1945). There is always the chance of that happening again. We have several capabilities that are just as revolutionary as the world spanning European sailing vessels, and at least some of them are being developed right now. It’s possible that all we’re looking at is a very rough patch ahead, a “restructuring” of the sort that the West has been undergoing every 70 to 80 years since the Renaissance (and arguably since the 100 year’s war). Cheer up, it’s probably not the end of the everything, just the end of us, and we wern’t going to live forever anyway.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] There is an American story about a person who gradually trained a fish to live on dry land, and even to follow him about on a leash. The story had a bad ending when the trained fish fell into a creek and drowned. Moral: you can’t leave your native element, even with training. Or, maybe, you can leave it, but it’s best not to go back. Or, maybe, don’t believe tall tales.

    2] Northern Barbarian states, recently formed, with completely novel gunpowder cannon, go through Italy’s defenses like a knife through wet cardboard, loot Rome, and then use Italy as a fencing mat while inconclusively trying to settle their differences. Italy had been the last bastion of civilization in the West, and is destroyed by the fighting. This was obviously the end of everything, except it wasn’t.

    3] Southern European Barbarians invade Northern European Barbarians in an apparent effort to unify Europe and clear their northern flank so that they can successfully stop the invasion of Eastern Europe by the Turks. The simple flank clearing operation turns into a bloody attrition war in which the weapons used (the Tercio) threatened to end civilization by killing all civilians in the Tercio’s path. The Tercio, you see, provided almost all its own logistical support by eating all the civilians’ food, so the civilians subsequently starved to death. Talk about a WMD. Napoleon later did pretty much the same thing to feed his mass armies. The 30 Years War destroyed so much that European society was completely restructured to prevent a recurrence. Obviously the end of everything, except it wasn’t.

  120. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    This deal is a joke.

    A few sections of wall in return for what amounts to an amnesy and even less interior enforcement is worse than nothing.

    No more bullshit escuses about his advisors failing him , Jared & Ivanka tricking him, 4D chess, etc. Trump failed.


    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    Kobach/Coulter. 2020

    Better still, get Tucker Carlson on the ballot. That way I can wear shirts/hats emblazoned:

    TUCK FRUMP!!!

  121. @Hypnotoad666

    I think that if the Dems were thinking strategically they would give Trump his Wall. Then he wouldn’t have an issue any more.

    But now he can say to his supporters, “once more unto the breach, dear friends,” and rally us to the final assault in 2020.
     
    IMO, this post nails it.

    In the heat of political battle, it's often hard to keep the big perspective. The Wall was always going to be semi-effective at best as an actual immigration deterrent. It's really always been a symbol of pro-American Patriotism vs. Anti-American Globalism.

    Pro-American Patriotism is still popular and rallying its adherents (before they're completely in the minority) is the key to long-term success. So far Trump has done a good job of getting his opponents to commit to a position that pro-American Patriotism is "immoral." While he has defined himself as its beleaguered but indefatigable champion.

    That's a good place to be politically.

    A totally separate question is what's the long term realistic goal -- i.e., what immigration deal would eventually be acceptable which would preserve America and put its interests first. (Personally, I'd favor a compromise that allowed single male workers to temporarily stay and then return instead of bringing over families of dependents to settle here permanently).

    “The Wall was always going to be semi-effective at best as an actual immigration deterrent. It’s really always been a symbol of pro-American Patriotism vs. Anti-American Globalism.”

    This is true. I don’t want to sound like a cuck, I do indeed want a wall, but the majority of illegals don’t sneak across the border. They come on tourist or work visas and then overstay.

    I’ve always tended to view the wall as secondary to mandatory e-Verify, increased workplace/neighborhood raids, and penalties for people who employ illegals.

    The lack of mandatory E-Verify disillusions me more than the lack of a wall honestly.

  122. @ anon [849]
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/is-trump-being-baited-and-switched/#comment-3043183 :

    ‘Presidency Is Hard’ argument is good enough only when you run a local chapter of The Chaîne des Rôtisseurs in Orangeburg, SC.

  123. @anonymous
    You want Sailer to bad mouth Trump, we get it. Now that this is clear you can shut your piehole, cuck!

    BTW, What about RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA? You taking your meds? You seeing reality clearly now that the TDS fog has lifted from your brain. Did it stop you from getting chubbies from looking at pictures of Vox Day?

    “You want Sailer to bad mouth Trump, we get it. ”

    What apparently you do not get is that Mr. Sailer’s silence on the Mueller investigation speaks volumes. He is being cagey. He does not want to box himself in one way or the other. However, that puts him in a bind from a consistency standpoint, as he laments when the mainstream media refuses to NOTICE certain things or admit that their own biases get in the way of reporting.

    “Now that this is clear you can shut your piehole, cuck!””

    Wow, triggered. Are you a secret SJW?

  124. @nsa
    No, 276.....you are the cucked deplorable yokel. Corvinus as a Jew owns Trumpstein, but even he can't take much more of the duplicitous old fraud's "pitfalls of being beholden to Jewish interests". As the cliche goes.....many love the treason, but no one loves the traitor (except you, 276).

    “Corvinus as a Jew owns Trumpstein…”

    Nope. I am Goy. Pure Goy. German, Dutch, and Polish.

  125. @eah
    Fucking hell man -- the obviously better question is whether Drumpf is baiting-and-switching those who believed his campaign rhetoric and voted for him -- and thereby shitting all over them by signing this bill.

    https://twitter.com/heyitsjojobo/status/1096448992681099265

    So, Mr. Sailer, any trenchant comment for eah and Comment 101?

  126. @Anonymous
    Neither of us will live to see it but there will be a revolution at some point. It will be bad. But we will win.

    “But we will win.” We can only hope, but what happens apres le deluge? Don’t most revolutions go through cycles including anarchy at some point and the possibility of a strongman taking control? And the bloodshed may make the French revolution pale in comparison. I would like you to spell out in more detail what you believe to be a realistic scenario involving “revolution.”

  127. I’m starting to think I was wrong about how bad this bill is. I am guilty of not reading more like an attorney, I guess. Anyway, I would be only to happy to be wrong about this.

  128. @22pp22
    Trump is a liar. He did what he planned to do all along. He never meant what he said. He is a vile old t -u-rd with a bad dye job.

    Bizarrely, the best hope is for a really crazy Dem administration in 2020. The vase needs to be broken.

    Bizarrely, the best hope is for a really crazy Dem administration in 2020. The vase needs to be broken

    .

    The next really crazy Democratic administration will make sure that there won’t be any Republican administrations after it.

  129. @Counterinsurgency
    I've spent a few years in the middle of the swamp.

    The loss of core competence (in accomplishing the basic mission or even task) is almost complete. Core competence has been replaced by intersectionality and political competence. Physical and financial reality has been replaced by political reality. This is important because _the swamp doesn't know how to do anything else_. Put on the civil market, swamp dwellers would rapidly go on welfare.
    As a result, swamp dwellers think as they have to if they want to sleep at night: their demands (whatever these demands are) are entirely reasonable, they are just average folks trying to get through life, they don't really ask for much, and they work very hard at their jobs, all the harder if the jobs are meaningless and their background for doing these jobs nonexistent. All that was inevitable once the Civil Service exams were gutted back in the AD 1960s. Political leaders have the above situation _plus_ most or all of them are (under almost any interpretation of the laws) felons. (This is why Mueller was so sure he would find something serious if he just looked. He thought that everybody in politics was a felon.)
    This explains the hysteria over Trump. The swamp dwellers _cannot live in industrial society_, same as their constituencies. That's not surprising, when you think about it. The ideal environment for patronage employees who cannot live in industrial society is one in which _everybody_ is incapable in that way. The ideal leader is somebody who can't live in industrial society. If Trump really "drained the swamp", its inhabitants would have all the chance of survival that alligators have after their home swamp is drained. [1]
    In summary, the conflict is about the survival of two sides. Such conflicts are intractable, but can be won, sort of (Rome vs. Carthage).

    Looking over the longer term: the Renaissance was a similar time[2], as was the 30 Years War [3], and even the aftermath of the 30 Years War. These, however, were also the years of Western breakout (c.a. AD 1492 until perhaps AD 1945). There is always the chance of that happening again. We have several capabilities that are just as revolutionary as the world spanning European sailing vessels, and at least some of them are being developed right now. It's possible that all we're looking at is a very rough patch ahead, a "restructuring" of the sort that the West has been undergoing every 70 to 80 years since the Renaissance (and arguably since the 100 year's war). Cheer up, it's probably not the end of the everything, just the end of us, and we wern't going to live forever anyway.

    Counterinsurgency


    1] There is an American story about a person who gradually trained a fish to live on dry land, and even to follow him about on a leash. The story had a bad ending when the trained fish fell into a creek and drowned. Moral: you can't leave your native element, even with training. Or, maybe, you can leave it, but it's best not to go back. Or, maybe, don't believe tall tales.

    2] Northern Barbarian states, recently formed, with completely novel gunpowder cannon, go through Italy's defenses like a knife through wet cardboard, loot Rome, and then use Italy as a fencing mat while inconclusively trying to settle their differences. Italy had been the last bastion of civilization in the West, and is destroyed by the fighting. This was obviously the end of everything, except it wasn't.

    3] Southern European Barbarians invade Northern European Barbarians in an apparent effort to unify Europe and clear their northern flank so that they can successfully stop the invasion of Eastern Europe by the Turks. The simple flank clearing operation turns into a bloody attrition war in which the weapons used (the Tercio) threatened to end civilization by killing all civilians in the Tercio's path. The Tercio, you see, provided almost all its own logistical support by eating all the civilians' food, so the civilians subsequently starved to death. Talk about a WMD. Napoleon later did pretty much the same thing to feed his mass armies. The 30 Years War destroyed so much that European society was completely restructured to prevent a recurrence. Obviously the end of everything, except it wasn't.

    It’s possible that all we’re looking at is a very rough patch ahead, a “restructuring” of the sort that the West has been undergoing every 70 to 80 years since the Renaissance (and arguably since the 100 year’s war). Cheer up, it’s probably not the end of the everything, just the end of us, and we wern’t going to live forever anyway.

    Correct, no matter what, worry & despair will not be productive, even if the current trend line towards chaotic financial/social instability is not diverted. Rome fell, people lived, had children, and died, until eventually Charlemagne arrived. Humans have found meaning in their struggles (probably a lot more meaning than our contemporary narcissistic/materialistic culture of today).

    The exorbitant financial debt is beyond a USA problem, and is actually a worldwide phenomenon, that the IMF even expresses concern over. Things collapse, then reorganize, society becomes local, and people eventually thrive again. Nothing is truly new in human history, with the exception of technology. But technology will not make us exempt from our own human folly. Eventually ignored reality prevails over human folly, and those who avoided foolish confirmation bias will have a better chance in overcoming the difficulties.

  130. @Counterinsurgency

    Their hatred of him, and half the American people is truly revolting and frightening. I will never get over my visceral hatred of all Democrats.
     
    Telling comment.

    The "bait and switch", should it succeed, marks the end of the legitimacy of the US Federal Government for the White working class (which is almost all of it). That is no small thing, and may make the US Federal Government unworkable in practice. Things move slowly on the level of workable/unworkable, but this bait and switch, should it occur, would be an historic marker event.

    Counterinsurgency

    remember that. It is a movement.

  131. @MarkinLA
    He could have vetoed it and forced the GOP to side with the Dems on an override vote. That would have given him some cover on the bill.

    The Hill is CORRUPT.

  132. I lived there in the early 80’s, and I learned that everybody is corrupt. Everybody…..all sexual behavior, all “extra marital ” was the norm…DC was the most fucked-up place in the cuntry (after NYC & LA).

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