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As Larry David, myself, a guy at the Tablet, and about three other members of the Awkward Squad have noted over the last ten weeks, the current purge of guys accused of sexual harassment has disparately impacted Jews by at least an order of magnitude.

Commenter unpc downunder speculates:

Rather than a power grab, I’m increasingly seeing this as a good-old white Protestant corruption clean up.

As I pointed out in Taki’s Magazine a few years ago, women’s suffrage and Prohibition were fundamentally linked. If America wanted to win the Great War, the feeling was, you couldn’t have a lot of drunken Irish gumming up the gears of the war machine. Unpc downunder continues:

Both Hollywood and the Democrats have become tainted by corruption and despotism in recent years, and this just won’t do in an individualistic, right-wing liberal society like the US. Sexual corruption undermines Protestant values of conscientiousness, business transparency, and meritocracy.

If too many actresses and producers give and receive sexual favors for career advancement that undermines the commercial viability of the American entertainment industry. You can’t produce films, TV shows and Broadway musicals as efficiently with high levels of sexual corruption (fifty years ago, no one really cared that much, since no one thought of movie-making as a serious industry).

Same with the Democrats and their backers. If you have lots of horny old-guys giving jobs to young women in exchange for sexual favours it taints the Democrats image as a progressive party that young, white-collar urban liberals can tie their flag to. Of course if the Dems replace horny old white guys with female minorities it will probably just feed the blames of corruption, incompetence and nepotism, but educated white business people only see individuals and systems, not tribes and religions.

The failure of Prohibition, a Protestant initiative, did much to discredit feminism for a half century. As I wrote in 2013:

Yet this isn’t the first time that the evils of sexism have preoccupied American culture. Beginning soon after the triumph of women’s suffrage in 1919-1920, gender oppression was vigorously denounced in the media until well into the 1960s. Many of the leading intellectuals, artists, and entertainers of mid-century America complained tirelessly about the domination of one sex over another. The nearly universal wail went up: How could human beings be so cruel to other humans just because they were of the opposite sex?

Of course, what H. L. Mencken, Groucho Marx, Ernest Hemingway, Ben Hecht, James Thurber, W. C. Fields, Raymond Chandler, Billy Wilder, Robert Heinlein, Norman Mailer, and so many others were kvetching about was how women were crushing their henpecked men under their iron heels. …

Wilfrid Sheed wrote of the mid-century New Yorker:

“Thurber’s world cannot remotely be understood without understanding Prohibition, or the locker-room version of it: a plot brewed up by women and Protestant ministers while our soldiers were overseas, in order to end America’s men-only culture and bring the boys all the way home, not just as far as the nearest saloon.”

There’s a good chance that the most talented individuals of the next generation will be, much like the most talented individuals of the post suffrage/prohibition generation, will be pissed-off guys.

 
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  1. It’s all Steve Bannon operating behind the scenes.

    • Agree: NickG
  2. lol nice clickbait title there.

  3. I’ve read the theory that Prohibition was in part a backlash against beer drinking German-Americans who were viewed as insufficiently loyal in World War I. It certainly destroyed the mostly German-American owned brewing industry.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    The mother of a friend of mine died recently age 90. She was a lifelong teetotaler. I asked her why one time, and she said it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Yeungling (Anglicized from "Jüngling") is America's oldest brewer. It survived prohibition in part by making ice cream. It's still around and does monster business with little advertising.
  4. There’s no real defense for all the Jews caught up in this. They can’t really focus on the proportion of Jews doing the bad stuff, because it would draw attention to the fact. Even Larry David had to try to leven his Weinstein gags with Holocaust talk, not particularly successfully. All the liberal hysteria turned about to be projection.

    Jewish success means that it’s all smiles when everyone is splashing in the pool in Beverley Hills. But when the prim ladies pull the plug, the pool is drained, and it turns out half the men are not wearing any trunks.

  5. But pissed off Jewish and white men or pissed off replacements

  6. The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin’s purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    Of course, what the two possibilities share is that each was/is not a counter-revolution against an evil revolution but self-cleansing within the ranks of blood-thirsty successful revolutionaries and their heirs in order to slightly redirect its revolutionary furor.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    • Replies: @Anon
    In any hierarchy, the men who are the most loyal and honorable last longer. Likewise, in any hierarchy, men who don't pull together for the team and who view others solely to be used tend to be kicked out as being disruptive and dangerous. Jews are terrible team players. It may be related to the fact that they don't play team sports when they're young, and they're taught by their parents that fulfilling one's personal ambition is everything. But spending a life feeding your own ambition is a corrupting trait for a personality because it encourages narcissism, and once narcissism takes over a personality, it cannot be pruned back and it just becomes a malignant, growing cancer. Narcissists make themselves unbearable to everyone around them, and they're ultimately destructive for the organization because they simply don't care about what's best for the organization.

    The idea that you should dedicate your life to serving the interests of a state or community is an old Anglo-Germanic value, and it comes from a tradition of military service. Not just the army, but National Guard and even Colonial Era militia. Many people don't realize that most men in the US before during the 1600s belonged to the militia, meaning they were expected to be called to arms for emergencies such as Indian attacks, etc. Even during the 1700s, though few men were in the Regular Army, there were still many who belonged to a community militia. In the 1800s, this tradition was still strong, and higher-class men in all towns and cities naturally expected to be called on for service in a militia, and this is why Civil War ranks filled up so fast with volunteers when the war broke out. Many of the mid-tier officer positions in the ranks were mostly taken by elite men who had no West Point education themselves, but who often belonged to a militia.

    Jews don't join the military, either. There's a reason why 'white guys' run everything they get involved in. They do it with less self-interest, and they tend to think more in terms of what's best for the community. People trust them more, though they may complain about them. Every third worlder would rather have whites in charge instead of their own people, because the latter are just too corrupt.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Yes. An unwoke liberal elite friend said last year, "There seems to be a civil war among the Jews in Manhattan." She works for the NYT...
    , @MarcB.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.
     
    I was unaware anybody else ever noticed this. The Bush/NeoCon Axis is an example of alliances that are also very apparent in the business and philanthropic worlds. Antisemitism is déclassé.
    , @Dave Pinsen

    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin’s purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.
     
    This implies that there was some sort of merit to Stalin's purges, which is counterfactual, to put it politely. His purges also fell heavily on some of Russia's most talented military officers, including Rokossovsky who, luckily for Stalin and Russia, survived Siberia.
    , @Uncle Remus
    Yes, the Judaizers since Oliver Cromwell have deformed or destroyed the remnants of the Christian
    order in Britain and here. Consider the rapine the Protector visited upon the Irish. Or, in this season, the abolition of Christas. Regicides after
    the Restoration of Charles II found haven in Connecticut and Massachusetts, the homeland of what
    we call the WASPS (a bit of a misnomer, as there were other sorts of British Protestants elsewhere
    in the American colonies).
    , @David Davenport
    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    "Judaizing heresy" = Christendom? You contradict yourself.
  7. Anti-Semitism on the part of Protestants because some Jewish men are targeted by feminists for being sexual predators? At this point, feminism is a heavily Jewish movement, so I don’t see the anti-Jewish angle. Maybe Jewish men just handle power over non-Jewish women about as well as black men do?

    If Protestants wanted to go anti-Semitic, they could target AIPAC, pandering to Israel, Wall Street, credit card usury that is a far bigger problem than taxation, Bernie Madoff-type swindlers, the MSM, NPR, the kosher tax on food, etc. I guess Hollywood could be a start, but I doubt there is an anti-Semitic backlash there.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    I don't think so either. Too many beta Jewish males are quietly but gleefully watching as the guys who were getting more action than they ever did finally go down. Maybe they have prominent careers in medicine or law, but it's all eaten up by the mortgage, the college funds, and the wife's credit card bills, and they never got to push people around like a media star or a Hollywood producer. They can try to bully people at work, but at home, between the the wife, the mother-in-law, and their own mother, they're definitely not top of the heap. They may worry about being unjustly tarred with the same brush, but I suspect their primary emotion is schadenfreude. Revenge of the nerds, you know.
    , @kaganovitch
    " the kosher tax on food"

    What on earth are you talking about? What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?
    , @snorlax

    If Protestants wanted to go anti-Semitic, they could target ... credit card usury that is a far bigger problem than taxation
     
    Looking at the C-suites of the big 3 credit card companies, the Tribe appears to be batting 0 for 12 at Visa, 0 for 10 at Mastercard and 2 for 13* at American Express.

    It may well be that "credit card usury is a far bigger problem than taxation" but Da Jooz don't seem to have much to do with it.

    *General Counsel Laureen Seeger and Global Corporate Payments Pres. Susan Sobbott; CIO Marc Gordon could be a Jewish name but a family member's obituary confirms he isn't.
  8. There’s a good chance that the most talented individuals of the next generation will be, much like the most talented individuals of the post suffrage/prohibition generation, will be pissed-off guys.

    Alt right, anyone?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I think the alt-right just took a major body blow.

    The GOP ran a classic bait-and-switch. Run as alt-right populists, govern as mainstream GOP oligarchs.

    2017 saw the fulfillment of every agenda of the Donor Class, and their well-paid puppets Ryan and McConnell. They got Johnson and Corker aboard with provisions in the tax bill that gave massive tax breaks to Johnson and Corker, and even bigger ones than Trump. Oh, and to all RE developers and golf course owners.

    Of course there will be a backlash. In a little over a year, we will probably have Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Schumer. Then, in a little over 3 years, another Open Borders Democrat will be President.

    Pity. I know Ralph Nader and Pat Buchhanon were hoping for a left-right populist coalition. Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election. Trump decided to freeze out Sanders and work with Ryan and McConnell instead.

    When Trump sold out the populist movement to become the leader of the GOP establishment, that was a major body blow to the alt-right. The second major body blow was Antifa. Now, instead of the left-wing working with the alt-right, the left-wing is trying to destroy the alt-right.

    Can the alt-right recover? Possibly, but it will be more difficult.
  9. Are there any WASP Hollywood producers left to out? Maybe that is the reason most of the outed producers are Jewish.

  10. Anyone else notice how lazy iSteve has been getting lately? Reposting his commentator’s comments, quoting old articles.

    Hell, Steve just wrote a post with 500 words, 396 of which were someone else’s.

    Please send money! His Ctrl and V keys are getting worn out and he needs a new keyboard!

    • Replies: @another fred

    Anyone else notice how lazy iSteve has been getting lately? Reposting his commentator’s comments, quoting old articles.

     

    That's OK with me. One of the main reasons I read the comments is to pick up links to interesting stuff.
    , @Quai Smyrna
    Lay off of poor ol' Steve. Mrs. Sailer surely has a huge honey-do list for him this holiday season.
    , @dr kill
    When he gets so desperate he re-posts my comments then you may complain.
    , @ChrisZ
    LOL, Pseud.

    I thought perhaps he’s closing in on a new record for annual posts/comments. But anyway, it’s Christmas.
    , @Olorin
    Don't you have some threads at /pol/ to troll for your SKDKnickerbocker internship, little Bluecheck?

    Or maybe Christmas to celebrate with your own family/children?

    OTOH, if my experience in the cities of the mid-Atlantic was any guide, Christmas is the perfect time for non-Christmas people to vent resentment and jealousy of others' gifts (both inborn and given). Both the blacks and the Jews I grew up around did it in spades, so to speak, this time of year.

    So have at it, you sad little girl. But don't quit your night job. You suck at internet trolling.

    , @ScarletNumber
    I would be honored if Steve turned one of my comments into a post.
  11. Semi right. Its definitely a purge, but coming from Trump. I know Trump is icky in your eyes, but I’m pretty sure he was sitting on this stuff and used it to torpedo the Congress into getting in line.

    Corker, Flake, McCain, Collins, or that woman from Alaska could have combined to throw a wrench in things. Hell, Corker and Flake aren’t running next year so they could have provided cover to the other 3. They didn’t. Why?

    Cause Trump has the goods. Why do you think he doesn’t want Ryan to retire? Cause he has other things to do than take whoever replaces Ryan as Speaker to the woodshed with a 4×4.

    Yes, the Big Brains around here who can’t get anything right think Trump can’t tie his shoes without help, but it’s absolutely amazing how Congress’ attitude has changed in the time since Weinstein was outed.

    • Replies: @Curle
    Ryan’s not running again.
    , @Boethiuss

    Cause Trump has the goods. Why do you think he doesn’t want Ryan to retire? Cause he has other things to do than take whoever replaces Ryan as Speaker to the woodshed with a 4×4.

    Yes, the Big Brains around here who can’t get anything right think Trump can’t tie his shoes without help, but it’s absolutely amazing how Congress’ attitude has changed in the time since Weinstein was outed.
     
    ~facepalm~

    You gotta be kiddin' me, like the only reason why Paul Ryan would bust his butt to get a tax cut through the House is because Trump's got dirt on him.
  12. I’m reading David Grann’s Killers of the Flower Moon, about the Osage murders and the beginnings of the modern FBI in the ’20s. He makes the point that Hoover’s FBI was also a progressive cause: nationalization, standardization, and professionalization of police work. Of course, our historical illiteracy and presentism cause most to lump Hoover in with the category of bad old right-wingers.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I’m reading David Grann’s Killers of the Flower Moon, about the Osage murders and the beginnings of the modern FBI in the ’20s. He makes the point that Hoover’s FBI was also a progressive cause: nationalization, standardization, and professionalization of police work.
     
    Is it considered "professional police work" to summarily execute apprehended felons, as Melvin Purvis did with Pretty Boy Floyd?
    , @syonredux

    I’m reading David Grann’s Killers of the Flower Moon, about the Osage murders and the beginnings of the modern FBI in the ’20s. He makes the point that Hoover’s FBI was also a progressive cause: nationalization, standardization, and professionalization of police work. Of course, our historical illiteracy and presentism cause most to lump Hoover in with the category of bad old right-wingers.
     
    I always like to point out to SJWs that Hoover was opposed to re-locating West Coast Japanese during WW2:

    Hoover played a major role—though largely in the background—in the conflict between the Justice Department and War Department/army over the mass exclusion of Japanese Americans from the West Coast. After Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox made the inflammatory statements about fifth column work in Hawai'i in the days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Hoover contradicted Knox, stating unequivocally that there had been no such sabotage. Though Hoover's statement was withheld for a time, it was made public after the Tolan Committee hearings. Hoover later reported to Attorney General Francis Biddle that the Western Defense Command's intelligence capabilities were marred by "[h]ysteria and lack of judgment."[1] On February 3, 1942 Hoover sent Biddle his assessment of the push for mass removal: "The necessity for mass evacuation is based primarily upon public and political pressure rather than on factual data."[2] Though he didn't necessarily believe all Japanese Americans were loyal, he did believe that there was no need for mass exclusion, especially given the FBI's prior arrest of those on the custodial detention list. Hoover had read—and largely concurred with—Kenneth Ringle's January 26, 1942 report and Ringle's and Curtis Munson's earlier recommendations (see Munson Report). Despite his presence at key meetings with the War Department and the esteem that the President held him in, Executive Order 9066 was signed and mass exclusion took place.
     
  13. Rather than a power grab, I’m increasingly seeing this as a good-old white Protestant corruption clean up.

    Aw, c’mon, you guys, that’s very, very wishful thinking at best. Rememeber, (((Gloria Allred))) and (((Lisa Bloom))) were the ones behind this. That’s a Jewish-feminist power grab if ever I’ve seen one.

    The only Bible-thumping white Protestant proclaiming the need to clean up America in this whole business was Roy Moore. It simply got out of hand, and the Jews themselves inadvertently became their own targets — as they have admitted:

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/246724/the-specifically-jewy-perviness-of-harvey-weinstein

    Rather than a Protestant clean-up, it looks like a case of casualties by friendly fire. That’s why they’re already trying to back off the Franken resignation and let him stay.

  14. …the current purge of guys accused of sexual harassment has disparately impacted Jews…

    I think you mean “disparately impacted Fellow White People.”

  15. Off-topic:

    iSteve/Steve Hsu bait — from William James Sidis and Norbert Wiener to Angela Duckworth and Amy Chua: WASPs, Jews, Northeast Asians, Jewish Fathers, Tiger Mothers, Nature, Nurture and the Ivy League:

    https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2018/01/child-prodigies-as-adults

    The gilded exile of the neocons:

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a14428464/gop-never-trump/

    • Replies: @EH
    That first article was rather odd. It manages to give the impression that prodigies come from tiger-mom tactics without once mentioning IQ or genetics, only covers two Jewish prodigies (Sidis and Wiener) of over a century ago, only talks about children of Ivy League faculty members, quotes Bucky Fuller without mentioning that he was the very model of what one would hope a prodigy would be as an adult (and was even at Harvard at the same time as Wiener and Sidis - and despite "antisemitism", WASP Fuller was expelled for missing midterms, the other (Jewish) two were not allowed to fail).

    The authoress of this meandering duckspeak, Ann Hulburt, Harvard '77, is literary editor at The Atlantic and has two grown children. Neither she nor her husband, Stephen Sestanovich, (a poly sci prof at Columbia, D.P. Moynahan protege, State Department / CFR bigwig, ex-US-ambassador-at-large to the former Soviet states, etc.) seem to be Jewish, but definitely Inner Party.

  16. There’s a good chance that the most talented individuals of the next generation will be, much like the most talented individuals of the post suffrage/prohibition generation, will be pissed-off guys.

    Get rid of the second “will be” (and then you can delete this comment).

  17. The son of a Presbyterian minister, Philip Wylie had a big dose of the Protestant reforming spirit:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/29/AR2005072902124.html

    On and on he rolled, a veritable Mississippi of bile, churning out word upon word to a total of some 100,000, just about every one of them quivering with rage — though whether real or simulated rage remains unclear to this day. From May 12 to July 4 he hammered away, and by January 1943 the result was in the bookstores: “Generation of Vipers,” published by Farrar and Rinehart in an edition of 4,000 copies, “a number commensurate with sales of my previous books and one I thought high for the current treatise.” Those words were written by Wylie in December 1954 in his introduction to the book’s 20th printing, by which time it had sold more than 180,000 copies and stirred a furious national debate.

    Small wonder. If there was a single group that Wylie failed to offend, its name is not recorded. Businessmen, doctors, scientists, preachers, the military, boosters, statesmen, professors — whack! whack! whack! He demolished each and every one. Most particularly, and most famously, he demolished “mom” and the “momism” that was his coinage for the worship accorded to her. Here’s a tiny taste of what he did to her:

    “Mom . . . is a middle-aged puffin with an eye like a hawk that has just seen a rabbit twitch far below. She is about twenty-five pounds overweight, with no sprint, but sharp heels and a hard backhand which she does not regard as a foul but a womanly defense. In a thousand of her there is not sex appeal enough to budge a hermit ten paces off a rock ledge. She nonetheless spends several hundred dollars a year on permanents and transformations, pomades, cleansers, rouges, lipsticks, and the like — and fools nobody except herself. If a man kisses her with any earnestness, it is time for mom to feel for her pocketbook, and this occasionally does happen.”

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    You left out his priceless description of a rummage sale.
    , @ChrisZ
    Wiley’s early novel, Gladiator, was the first science fiction novel about a superhuman being, and was the inspiration for Superman (although that fact, pretty obvious when you read the novel, is routinely denied by the owners of the comic book character).

    I mention it because mid-20th-century sci fi is a recurring topic in this forum. And because I’m continually amazed how all my personal interests eventually come up here.
  18. The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this


    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180

    • Replies: @theMann
    Well, I guess if you really want to put your 2$ worth in........ inflation.......
    , @ScarletNumber
    I was banned from another website for being shocked SHOCKED that Tablet would be the place that would charge for making comments.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180
     
    That's hilarious. It's good to know, however, if one ever has a day off, and is particularly irked over one matter or another, one can spend two dollars, and then shitpost all over that site. Things to keep in mind....
    , @Dr. X

    The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this


    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180
     
    Wow, that's actually serious! ...And then these people complain about stereotypes!

    Just for laughs, here's the conversion to shekels at current rates:

    Daily rate: 7 shekels
    Monthly rate: 62.8 shekels
    Yearly rate: 627.9 shekels
    , @Anonymous
    Careful now, don't give Steve any ideas...
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You really should follow my comment feed. (#79) ;)
  19. Perhaps sexual utopianism — by which I mean the fervent hope of achieving a society in which the only looks, remarks, touches or kisses anyone makes are desired ones — is the natural outcome of our individualistic age, in which the fruit of sexual compromise (i.e., reproduction, children, family) is held in so little regard. Previous ages saw reproduction as the central project, the sole way to ensure that the whole shebang would carry on. Now immigrants can take care of that. It’s a win-win proposition. Immigrants, blinded largely by religion, are still stupid enough to think that life should go on and on. In a generation or two, they’ll learn. In the meantime, we can just keep making it all so difficult that masturbation, virtual reality, abstention etc. are preferred by more and more people. Faint heart ne’er won fair lady, but who would be so odious as to express his prejudice against a generation of faint hearts?

  20. @Percy Gryce

    There’s a good chance that the most talented individuals of the next generation will be, much like the most talented individuals of the post suffrage/prohibition generation, will be pissed-off guys.
     
    Alt right, anyone?

    I think the alt-right just took a major body blow.

    The GOP ran a classic bait-and-switch. Run as alt-right populists, govern as mainstream GOP oligarchs.

    2017 saw the fulfillment of every agenda of the Donor Class, and their well-paid puppets Ryan and McConnell. They got Johnson and Corker aboard with provisions in the tax bill that gave massive tax breaks to Johnson and Corker, and even bigger ones than Trump. Oh, and to all RE developers and golf course owners.

    Of course there will be a backlash. In a little over a year, we will probably have Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Schumer. Then, in a little over 3 years, another Open Borders Democrat will be President.

    Pity. I know Ralph Nader and Pat Buchhanon were hoping for a left-right populist coalition. Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election. Trump decided to freeze out Sanders and work with Ryan and McConnell instead.

    When Trump sold out the populist movement to become the leader of the GOP establishment, that was a major body blow to the alt-right. The second major body blow was Antifa. Now, instead of the left-wing working with the alt-right, the left-wing is trying to destroy the alt-right.

    Can the alt-right recover? Possibly, but it will be more difficult.

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    "Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election."

    He did? Sounds like wishful thinking that Senator Sanders could be a Trump ally. Even after losing to Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders was describing Donald Trump as the Anti-Christ.
    , @Bill

    Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election. Trump decided to freeze out Sanders and work with Ryan and McConnell instead.
     
    What are you talking about here?
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election.
     
    Huh? Isn’t Bernie Sanders an open-borders socialist? Didn’t he pathetically wither when two BLM brats took over his rally?

    Why on earth would Trump want to team up with someone like that? Also, who are the left-wing populists? Questions, I’ve got ‘em.

  21. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    (fifty years ago, no one really cared that much, since no one thought of movie-making as a serious industry).

    No, they cared a lot, which is why the studios were far more careful to keep it behind closed doors.
    A scandal back then was far more consequential. Ingrid Bergman fell out of favor for few yrs because of her thing with Rossellini.

    The difference with Weinstein and co was how reckless they were in their behavior. They acted as if they could get away with anything whereas pervs in the past acted on the basis that they could easily be destroyed if word got out.

  22. I wonder if we’re seeing a return to the morals of the 1940s. It sure seems like it’s heading that direction, just taking a really weird path because society has lost the moral vocabulary that was used to clamp down on the excesses of the Jazz Age.

    Safe spaces = sex and race segregation in education

    Perv purge = females need special protections in the workplace, or better yet, just stay away from certain situations

    Twitter and Facebook censorship = Hays Code

    Crime is down (at least until the last couple of years) and so are teen pregnancy and abortions. The exception is out-of-wedlock births which are sky high and growing.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    About the safe spaces: why are we eliminating women's bathrooms then? Talk about a safe space!

    Amidst all this clamoring over sexual harassment (jeez! this has been par for the course for decades thanks to Bill Clinton) you'll notice there's no talk of a return to modesty or conservative demeanor. There's nothing about traditional marriage and childbearing. You know who never faces sexual harassment? Homemakers. They hang with their kids and other moms and kids. Get back to me when someone mentions men as protectors/providers and women as nurturers/home builders.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Problem is, the moral codes of those times were based on major religions and long-standing traditions.
    The ones now are based on whatever PC Thought Police want to decide is Thoughtcrime.
  23. ‘ “Thurber’s world cannot remotely be understood without understanding Prohibition, or the locker-room version of it: a plot brewed up by women and Protestant ministers while our soldiers were overseas, in order to end America’s men-only culture and bring the boys all the way home, not just as far as the nearest saloon.”
    There’s a good chance that the most talented individuals of the next generation will be, much like the most talented individuals of the post suffrage/prohibition generation, will be pissed-off guys.’

    These movements aren’t STARTED by women, women are just very, very effective tools to be used. Never was this truer than right now. I’ve met essentially not a single woman who isn’t totally muddle-headed, to wit: who can thoroughly see through all the propaganda to know they’re being manipulated. This is true on many matters of great importance with regards to population control and totalitarian lockdown, e.g. immigration and race mixing, 911, and fighting ‘fascists’. Women continually disappoint. They continue to watch their tv programs, listen to appallingly awful music, and indulge in both all sorts of soulless sex just for the fuck of it, and designer drugs to fuel their ‘liberation’. My respect for them at present could not be lower.

  24. Go Trump! I’m so glad libtards/chosen people/dems are getting their comuppance. They’re the real misogynists and very corrupt to the core!

    MAGA!

  25. Do you think this whole thing is fueled by social media, much like the Color Revolutions and the Arab Spring?

    Before people pile on me with ’tis ain’t so, bear with my explanation that there is a deep “First Mover Disadvantage” for a not-quite-as-powerful woman to charge a powerful man with harassment or worse. The first woman to go public in complaining — without other women doing the same to supply corroboration — that woman could be “left hung out to dry” and dismissed as a “crank” or “vindictive person with an agenda.” Once the “dam breaks”, however things are a lot different, but going first and not having anyone follow is a risky place to be.

    Social media changed all that, and don’t you think the same dynamic was there in the Color Revolutions toppling governments in North Africa and the Arab Middle East along with the former Soviet republics? Social media permits coordination that a critical mass of people commit themselves, in the case of the Color Revolutions, an extremely high risk course of action, especially if it is not undertaken by enough people.

    Yeah, to think this is all the doing of Mr. Zuckerberg?

  26. This is something I’ve been writing about for a while. Audacious Epigone has done some posts on it too. The generation just coming into adulthood is significantly more “right-wing” than the Millennials. More important, they are culturally different. Their right-wingedness is a reaction to multiculturalism, not a revolt against the tax code.

    As far as the theory about the present hysteria being a WASP putsch, I’m not buying it. Hollywood has been run by Jews since forever. There are no WASP’s to run an anti-corruption campaign. The better answer is that the smart money is leaving Hollywood. When the lion is done eating, the hyenas come in to feed on the carcass. Then the vultures.

    That does not bode well for the Democrats either. Their lurch toward being the black party will not end well for them or us.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    The generation just coming into adulthood is significantly more “right-wing” than the Millennials.
     
    I keep hearing this. I don't see any evidence beyond wishful thinking.
  27. The best way to respond to prohibition is to become an angry, foul-mouthed drunkard!

    Especially if its only a hiccup in your dissipation and debauchery.

    • LOL: Cortes
  28. Not only female suffrage and Prohibition, but several other major events in American history are closely associated with the female-dominated Miss Wormwood WASP culture of the Northeast.

    Feminism officially began with the 1848 Seneca Falls Convention, with its Declaration of Sentiments pastiche of Jefferson’s famous essay. The founding group were wives of prominent abolitionists, annoyed that their husbands wouldn’t give them an “equal” place in their councils.

    And much of the fuel for Lincoln’s war on the Southern States (and the founding principle of limited government) was provided by the same self-righteous women who certainly knew what was best for the rest of us, including the authors of Uncle Tom’s Cabin and “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” (note that both continued using their pre-marriage surnames as “middle” names).

    And finally, the campaign for universal infant male circumcision also originated in Northeastern WASP culture, as yet another way to “improve” men from the beasts they naturally are.

    • Replies: @Nick Diaz
    "And finally, the campaign for universal infant male circumcision also originated in Northeastern WASP culture, as yet another way to “improve” men from the beasts they naturally are"

    This is true. But I don't think feminist played a big part in this. This had more to do with the Puritanism of American Society, which deams sexual pleasure as a sin. Circumcision was seen as an effective way to curb masturbation, which in the pseudo-science of the day was seen as being responsible for all sorts of ailments, as well as a way to reduce the intensity of male sexual orgasm. Men were seen as having a natural tendency towards promiscuity, and circumcision, by blunting the sexual response and making it harder to reach orgasm, as a way to make men resist "temptation".

    With time, a bunch of pseudo-scientific "medical" reasons for circumcision arose, which were just palliative arguments for the real reasons why circumcision was practiced, which were moral/religious. The medical arguments just don't stand up to scrutiny. Consider, for instance, the argument that circumcision reduces urinary tract infections. Well, urinary tract infections are not very serious, and easily treated with antibiotics. Or cancer of the penis: it is extremely rare even among uncircumcised males, occurring in only 1 in 100,000 men. And circumcision reduces the incidence by a measly 3%. Or consider HIV infection: circumcision does reduce the risk of infection, but just wearing a condom offers a much higher degree of protection. An uncircumcised man that wears a condom has a much lower risk of being infected than a circumcised one who doesen't.



    But nevertheless, circumcision was something that for 100 years was practiced in America only by upper crust WASPs and of course Jews. Routine circumcision of boys in America only started in the 1950's. The vast majority of American men who fought in WW2 were uncircumcised, and most white American men over age 70 are uncircumcised as well. Likewise, the Founding Fathers were all uncircumcised as well. So were Ronald Reagan and Elvis Presley.

    Stopping the routine genital mutilation of boys in America is problematic because it would require American men, the vast majority of whom are circumcised, to admit that something bad happened to their penises. No self-respecting man will ever admit that there is something wrong with his penis. So American men will continue mutilating their sons so as to convince themselves that there is nothing wrong with their penises. A classic case of Stockholm Syndrome: victims will try to create more victims so as to justify their own victimization as something trivial.

    Of course, this would NEVER be tolerated if done to little girls. Contrary to what feminists claim, females are actually treated with far more concern, gentleness and protection than men. In fact, the genital mutilation of girls is already outlawed by federal law in America. People that argue that female circumcision is worse than male circumcision because it involves amputating the whole clitoris, while male circumcision involves removing only the foreskin, are missing the point. The point is that little girls in America are protected from ANY genital cutting, even removal of the clitoral hood, which is analogous to male circumcision. In fact, even pricking the genitals of a girl with a needle can land a doctor in jail.

    This is why I hate feminists with a passion: the fundamental premise of feminism, that men had it better than women, is false. Anyone who has watched "Titanic" can see that. All the women but almost none of the men in that ship survived. Why? Because it was accepted that men's lives were not as valuable as women's, and that men were required to die to protect women's lives. How are men "privileged" if their very LIVES were deemed as less valuable? Then, there is other stuff, such as that only men had to go to war, that all the most dangerous jobs were done by men while women stayed safely at home. Yes, feminists are right that men had more freedom...to live extremely brutal and often short lives. It was not so much "freedom", but more along the lines that men were the ones that dealt with the brutal, nasty, violent World out there, from hunting to warring and working in mines breathing asbestos. Yeah, some great "freedom"

    This is also the reason why I am not conservative, and I do not sympathize with Sailer's anti-feminism: Sailer is anti-feminist not because of the hypocrisy of feminists in wanting to keep all the female privileges without any male responsibilities, but because he wants a return to the 1950's when women truly were a protected class. I don't want to go back to a Society when women received all kinds of pampering and protection just for being female. I want true legal and moral equality between men and women.I am a TRUE feminist, as any libertarian is.
    , @Anonymous

    And finally, the campaign for universal infant male circumcision also originated in Northeastern WASP culture, as yet another way to “improve” men from the beasts they naturally are.
     
    This came out of a particular strand of 19th century Protestant thought. If you are the chosen people, as spoken of in the bible, it behooves you to circumcise your children. Any moral, practical, or hygiene considerations were incidental.
    , @Millennial
    In the age of Wikipedia, there's really no excuse for such historical illiteracy.

    "Feminism officially began...circumcision..."

    Or maybe feminism began in France, where French socialist Charles Fourier coined the term - and promoted the ideology - as early as 1837.

    The push for universal male circumcision in the Anglosphere began with British doctors and scientists. The first major American advocate of the practice was Lewis Sayre (born in New Jersey, raised in Kentucky).

    But hey, dealing in facts is "acting white."
  29. When we have a transgender black president of a nation that speaks 200 languages we will have reached the Jewish Singularity

  30. I feel that the attacks on Harvey is anti-semitism. I am surprised that he has not mentioned this. It is strange he has not noticed.

  31. the current purge of guys accused of sexual harassment has disparately impacted Jews by at least an order of magnitude.

    It is? What population are you comparing to? The overall US population? The correct comparison population is powerful people in show business. Would it be surprising to learn that non-Jews have been “disparately impacted” in the purge?

    This also affects the plausibility of the Protestant corruption clean-up rationalization. Where are the Protestants in positions of power to make the clean-up occur? It’s not like Jews are over-represented ten fold among Hollywood executives. It’s more like forty fold. Unless we are going to invoke the penumbras and emanations of Puritans . . .

  32. @PiltdownMan
    The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this



    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180

     

    Well, I guess if you really want to put your 2$ worth in…….. inflation…….

  33. @PiltdownMan
    The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this



    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180

     

    I was banned from another website for being shocked SHOCKED that Tablet would be the place that would charge for making comments.

  34. @PiltdownMan
    The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this



    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180

     

    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180

    That’s hilarious. It’s good to know, however, if one ever has a day off, and is particularly irked over one matter or another, one can spend two dollars, and then shitpost all over that site. Things to keep in mind….

  35. There’s a good chance that the most talented individuals of the next generation will be, much like the most talented individuals of the post suffrage/prohibition generation, will be pissed-off guys.

    The arc of the pendulum is long, but it bends toward payback.

  36. 19th Amendment has to be absolutely the worst of any of them.

    Yale professor did a study of how womyn voting increased public spending. He took the spending in a year and divided it by the population, that way if the population doubled, and the spending doubled, it was still the same per capita amount.

    He started in Wyoming, the cowboys wanted womyn to move there, so they were the first to let them vote. (It’s why Brokeback Mountain was set in Wyoming)

    Then thru all the states and territories until 1920. He found it took 5 years until enough womyn were voting, then the public spending skyrocketed. They had no problem voting themselves money from the public treasury, kind of like they have no problem ripping off their husbands….

  37. • Replies: @Clyde

    OT but very iStevey article. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-island-where-chinese-mothers-deliver-american-babies-1513852203
     
    The island is Saipan/ It's behind the WSJ paywall! But this guy copied it onto his blog. https://johnib.wordpress.com/2017/12/21/the-island-where-chinese-mothers-deliver-american-babies/
  38. Is the Weinsteingate Purge an Anti-Semitic Protestant Backlash?

    No. We would never be that lucky.

  39. Of course, what H. L. Mencken, Groucho Marx, Ernest Hemingway, Ben Hecht, James Thurber, W. C. Fields, Raymond Chandler, Billy Wilder, Robert Heinlein, Norman Mailer, and so many others were kvetching about was how women were crushing their henpecked men under their iron heels. …

    Thurber on the War between Men and Women

    • Replies: @syonredux
    http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/ThurberHome.jpg
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ea/f6/36/eaf636cd6930bbbd63a4b13ba13c962e--james-thurber-new-yorker-cartoons.jpg
    , @anonguy
    Thurber was terrific. Anyone who thinks that relations between the sexes differs much from era to era should read his stuff.

    Fables For Our Time is a nice introduction to his work.
  40. @syonredux

    Of course, what H. L. Mencken, Groucho Marx, Ernest Hemingway, Ben Hecht, James Thurber, W. C. Fields, Raymond Chandler, Billy Wilder, Robert Heinlein, Norman Mailer, and so many others were kvetching about was how women were crushing their henpecked men under their iron heels. …

     

    Thurber on the War between Men and Women



    https://johnesimpson.com/images/warbetweenmenandwomen.jpg

    • Replies: @syonredux
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xa14DIrtcqk/UxzvgkK2omI/AAAAAAAAbgs/J48299tvmDA/s1600/keep_a_secret.jpg
    , @anonguy
    That cartoon sums up Thurber's view of domestic life.
  41. @Percy Gryce
    I'm reading David Grann's Killers of the Flower Moon, about the Osage murders and the beginnings of the modern FBI in the '20s. He makes the point that Hoover's FBI was also a progressive cause: nationalization, standardization, and professionalization of police work. Of course, our historical illiteracy and presentism cause most to lump Hoover in with the category of bad old right-wingers.

    I’m reading David Grann’s Killers of the Flower Moon, about the Osage murders and the beginnings of the modern FBI in the ’20s. He makes the point that Hoover’s FBI was also a progressive cause: nationalization, standardization, and professionalization of police work.

    Is it considered “professional police work” to summarily execute apprehended felons, as Melvin Purvis did with Pretty Boy Floyd?

  42. @syonredux
    http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/ThurberHome.jpg

    • Replies: @syonredux
    http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/ThurberFirstWife.jpg
  43. @PiltdownMan
    The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this



    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180

     

    The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this

    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180

    Wow, that’s actually serious! …And then these people complain about stereotypes!

    Just for laughs, here’s the conversion to shekels at current rates:

    Daily rate: 7 shekels
    Monthly rate: 62.8 shekels
    Yearly rate: 627.9 shekels

    • Replies: @Anonym
    https://youtu.be/hYCGgestruk

    I was going to post the scene from the Hebrew Hammer where the Hammer picks up the penny, except it is not on yt. Goldberg wants to make a new one because Drumpf. There are some interesting bits... how dare the goyim want an ethnostate, for example.

    https://www.jta.org/2017/11/07/life-religion/a-hebrew-hammer-sequel-is-coming-motivated-by-trump-and-anti-semitic-twitter-trolls

    My guess is that tablet get a lot of $180 comment fees.

  44. @syonredux
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xa14DIrtcqk/UxzvgkK2omI/AAAAAAAAbgs/J48299tvmDA/s1600/keep_a_secret.jpg

    • Replies: @syonredux
    http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/ThurberTwoSexes.jpg
  45. @syonredux
    http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/ThurberFirstWife.jpg

    • Replies: @syonredux
    http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/ThurberHawkDove.jpg
  46. @syonredux
    http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/ThurberTwoSexes.jpg

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    https://jimsworldandwelcometoit.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/thurber-seal-bark.jpg?w=600
  47. @Percy Gryce
    I'm reading David Grann's Killers of the Flower Moon, about the Osage murders and the beginnings of the modern FBI in the '20s. He makes the point that Hoover's FBI was also a progressive cause: nationalization, standardization, and professionalization of police work. Of course, our historical illiteracy and presentism cause most to lump Hoover in with the category of bad old right-wingers.

    I’m reading David Grann’s Killers of the Flower Moon, about the Osage murders and the beginnings of the modern FBI in the ’20s. He makes the point that Hoover’s FBI was also a progressive cause: nationalization, standardization, and professionalization of police work. Of course, our historical illiteracy and presentism cause most to lump Hoover in with the category of bad old right-wingers.

    I always like to point out to SJWs that Hoover was opposed to re-locating West Coast Japanese during WW2:

    Hoover played a major role—though largely in the background—in the conflict between the Justice Department and War Department/army over the mass exclusion of Japanese Americans from the West Coast. After Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox made the inflammatory statements about fifth column work in Hawai’i in the days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Hoover contradicted Knox, stating unequivocally that there had been no such sabotage. Though Hoover’s statement was withheld for a time, it was made public after the Tolan Committee hearings. Hoover later reported to Attorney General Francis Biddle that the Western Defense Command’s intelligence capabilities were marred by “[h]ysteria and lack of judgment.”[1] On February 3, 1942 Hoover sent Biddle his assessment of the push for mass removal: “The necessity for mass evacuation is based primarily upon public and political pressure rather than on factual data.”[2] Though he didn’t necessarily believe all Japanese Americans were loyal, he did believe that there was no need for mass exclusion, especially given the FBI’s prior arrest of those on the custodial detention list. Hoover had read—and largely concurred with—Kenneth Ringle’s January 26, 1942 report and Ringle’s and Curtis Munson’s earlier recommendations (see Munson Report). Despite his presence at key meetings with the War Department and the esteem that the President held him in, Executive Order 9066 was signed and mass exclusion took place.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    syondrex:

    Thank you for supply details I was unaware of about Hoover's exemplary role in trying to stop the relocation of West Coast Japanese-Americans in WW II.

    Among the few other public officials opposed to relocation were Senator Robert Taft.

    The chief agitator for West Coast relocation was California Attorney General Earl Warren who later became Governor and then seamlessly morphed into a liberal demigod as Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court.
  48. Is the Weinsteingate Purge an Anti-Semitic Protestant Backlash?

    Harvey Weinstein’s disgusting criminal sex attacks and other bad behaviour must stand alone without dragging any innocent Protestant lambs into it. Anti-Semitism is caused by bad Jewish behaviour; any honest Rabbi, if you can find one, will readily tell you that.

  49. What do Protestants have to do with Hollywood? Nothing.

    White Protestants have been getting hit with sex harassment for thirty years, while non Protestants, Jews, and other liberal democrats have been protected. Remember when that Senator Packwood went down, even while Ted “waitress sandwich” Kennedy grandstanded?

    A better explaination for #Metoo, is that it’s the moment when women realized that Hollywood wasn’t able to protect itself anymore.

    Internal politics at the Weinstein company, where Harvey was buying his right to grope (losing his investors money buying up projects that never see release) probably had a lot to do with his being thrown to the wolves.

    And once Harvey went down, and his ex Mossad payroll with him, all of the open sex predators went down too. I’m sure that most Hollywood feminist Democrats didn’t like to carry water for rapists that palled with Bill Clinton. Harvey Weinstein famously donned the pink pussyhat earlier this year, even as Ashley Judd screeched onstage. I’m sure most Hollywood Democrats are aware of their 2016 white woman voter problem, and how some of their optics look.

    Harvey was credibly accused of near rape in 2015. He was able to dissapear that case with the help of a sympathetic prosecutor. Hollywood didn’t suffer any real damage from the Charlie Sheen or Donald Sterling fiascos.

    It really was just this year, and spurred by whatever probably non sex related grudge that caused somebody close to Weinstein to call up Ronan Farrow.

  50. The thinking behind the prohibition went like this:

    1. men seem to enjoy drinking
    2. let’s ban it

    That kind of thinking didn’t go away. It just stopped being applied to alcohol because women realized that getting shitfaced and slutting it up was fun and had become a possibility.

    Women instinctively want to stop men enjoying themselves. Whenever a bunch of men get together to do stuff, women feel in their bones that’s it’s just wrong.

    That’s why every nerdy-guy hobby out there is under attack. You could go to a website devoted to something as obscure and random as metal detecting and it will be full of articles condemning its “toxic masculinity” and whatever other catch phrases happen to be popular. Usually written by somebody’s wife or some female bureaucrat who doesn’t really participate in the hobby but somehow has made it all about her.

    • Agree: TelfoedJohn, dfordoom
    • Replies: @Anon
    The thinking behind prohibition was this: A drunken male would drink up all his wages and leave his wife and children hungry, unclothed, and on the verge of eviction. A drunken male would also beat his wife and children to a pulp. This happened back in an era in which women found it hard to divorce, find work, or even if they found work, were still not able to support themselves and their children on the tiny wages an employer would pay a woman because she was female.

    It was nothing more than that. Don't kid yourself.
  51. Anti-Semitism on the part of Protestants because some Jewish men are targeted by feminists for being sexual predators? At this point, feminism is a heavily Jewish movement, so I don’t see the anti-Jewish angle. Maybe Jewish men just handle power over non-Jewish women about as well as black men do?

    If Protestants wanted to go anti-Semitic, they could target AIPAC, pandering to Israel, Wall Street, credit card usury that is a far bigger problem than taxation, Bernie Madoff-type swindlers, the MSM, NPR, the kosher tax on food, etc. I guess Hollywood could be a start, but I doubt there is an anti-Semitic backlash there

  52. There’s a good chance that the most talented individuals of the next generation will be, much like the most talented individuals of the post suffrage/prohibition generation, will be pissed-off guys.

    This is already the case.

  53. Being interested in old comedy is enlightening about this subject. In 1950s joke books, an significant percentage will be about henpecked men and termagant wives or men who can’t stand their wives and want to get rid of them.

    Three of them became famous chestnuts:

    My wife, she’s gone to the Carribean…
    Jamaica?
    No, she went of her own accord!

    Who was that lady I saw you with last night?
    That was no lady, that was my wife!

    Take my wife…please.

    Going further back, for example the famous 18th century Joe Miller’s Jests (“the wit’s vade-mecum”), it’s the same.

    Then suddenly somewhere around the 1980s, all that went away. Bad marriages didn’t; men just decided they shouldn’t discuss it any more.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    My father referred to my mother as "She Who Must Be Obeyed" or "the Dreadnought". He loved reenacting the domestic scenes from W. C. Fields' movies.

    My mother was not amused.
  54. @Benjaminl
    Off-topic:

    iSteve/Steve Hsu bait -- from William James Sidis and Norbert Wiener to Angela Duckworth and Amy Chua: WASPs, Jews, Northeast Asians, Jewish Fathers, Tiger Mothers, Nature, Nurture and the Ivy League:

    https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2018/01/child-prodigies-as-adults


    The gilded exile of the neocons:

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a14428464/gop-never-trump/

    That first article was rather odd. It manages to give the impression that prodigies come from tiger-mom tactics without once mentioning IQ or genetics, only covers two Jewish prodigies (Sidis and Wiener) of over a century ago, only talks about children of Ivy League faculty members, quotes Bucky Fuller without mentioning that he was the very model of what one would hope a prodigy would be as an adult (and was even at Harvard at the same time as Wiener and Sidis – and despite “antisemitism”, WASP Fuller was expelled for missing midterms, the other (Jewish) two were not allowed to fail).

    The authoress of this meandering duckspeak, Ann Hulburt, Harvard ’77, is literary editor at The Atlantic and has two grown children. Neither she nor her husband, Stephen Sestanovich, (a poly sci prof at Columbia, D.P. Moynahan protege, State Department / CFR bigwig, ex-US-ambassador-at-large to the former Soviet states, etc.) seem to be Jewish, but definitely Inner Party.

  55. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake
    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin's purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    Of course, what the two possibilities share is that each was/is not a counter-revolution against an evil revolution but self-cleansing within the ranks of blood-thirsty successful revolutionaries and their heirs in order to slightly redirect its revolutionary furor.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    In any hierarchy, the men who are the most loyal and honorable last longer. Likewise, in any hierarchy, men who don’t pull together for the team and who view others solely to be used tend to be kicked out as being disruptive and dangerous. Jews are terrible team players. It may be related to the fact that they don’t play team sports when they’re young, and they’re taught by their parents that fulfilling one’s personal ambition is everything. But spending a life feeding your own ambition is a corrupting trait for a personality because it encourages narcissism, and once narcissism takes over a personality, it cannot be pruned back and it just becomes a malignant, growing cancer. Narcissists make themselves unbearable to everyone around them, and they’re ultimately destructive for the organization because they simply don’t care about what’s best for the organization.

    The idea that you should dedicate your life to serving the interests of a state or community is an old Anglo-Germanic value, and it comes from a tradition of military service. Not just the army, but National Guard and even Colonial Era militia. Many people don’t realize that most men in the US before during the 1600s belonged to the militia, meaning they were expected to be called to arms for emergencies such as Indian attacks, etc. Even during the 1700s, though few men were in the Regular Army, there were still many who belonged to a community militia. In the 1800s, this tradition was still strong, and higher-class men in all towns and cities naturally expected to be called on for service in a militia, and this is why Civil War ranks filled up so fast with volunteers when the war broke out. Many of the mid-tier officer positions in the ranks were mostly taken by elite men who had no West Point education themselves, but who often belonged to a militia.

    Jews don’t join the military, either. There’s a reason why ‘white guys’ run everything they get involved in. They do it with less self-interest, and they tend to think more in terms of what’s best for the community. People trust them more, though they may complain about them. Every third worlder would rather have whites in charge instead of their own people, because the latter are just too corrupt.

    • Replies: @Flip
    I am of Protestant background, and have known many Jews well all my life. I don't think they are less community minded or less team players at all, it is just that the community is often their ethnic/religious one rather than the broader community. That's to be expected with a minority, and I think it is less true now than in previous generations.

    As Napoleon said to the Jewish community in France, so do you guys want to be French or not? Assimilation is having its impact in Europe and North America with all the inter-marriage going on.
  56. Computers / the internet are the ultimate dis-intermediary. What is happening to Hollywood has been happening to every other industry for a while now.

    It is not an accident that the first part of the media to take a hit was the news. Newspapers lost adds to Craigslist. Small ‘news’ sites on the internet have been scooping the bigger institutional news organizations. Crowd sourcing allows for a fact check that does not rely on “professional” journalists making it harder to spike or bury stories. This has been a blow, the left will never fully recover from.

    Now it is occurring to the movie and television industry. By nature, these are more complicated, technical, and expensive to produce but why do you need a schmuck like Harvey Weinstein in the middle? There are actresses / actors so desperate to work they would f*^% Weinstein so clearly finding actors is not the problem. The Chinese and Japanese have money falling out of their pockets and want to buy studios so capital is not the problem. And computer animation is eliminating much of the need for expensive stages or props cutting the need for the studio infrastructure and their fickle liberal employees.

    If the quality of movies Hollywood produced were that good people would still pay, but like the NFL, there is a limit to what people will watch or pay. I think we have reached it.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    In ten years, women will officially be obsolete. Sex bots will fill the world's closets, and cinema will be computer generated. Boy, I hope that AI will think of something new to say.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs3xXlXSOKk
    , @Anon 2
    Yes, Hollywood is just not delivering the goods anymore
    so in the minds of many it's becoming expendable.
    Boycott Hollywood is having an effect
  57. @Faraday's Bobcat
    I wonder if we're seeing a return to the morals of the 1940s. It sure seems like it's heading that direction, just taking a really weird path because society has lost the moral vocabulary that was used to clamp down on the excesses of the Jazz Age.

    Safe spaces = sex and race segregation in education

    Perv purge = females need special protections in the workplace, or better yet, just stay away from certain situations

    Twitter and Facebook censorship = Hays Code

    Crime is down (at least until the last couple of years) and so are teen pregnancy and abortions. The exception is out-of-wedlock births which are sky high and growing.

    About the safe spaces: why are we eliminating women’s bathrooms then? Talk about a safe space!

    Amidst all this clamoring over sexual harassment (jeez! this has been par for the course for decades thanks to Bill Clinton) you’ll notice there’s no talk of a return to modesty or conservative demeanor. There’s nothing about traditional marriage and childbearing. You know who never faces sexual harassment? Homemakers. They hang with their kids and other moms and kids. Get back to me when someone mentions men as protectors/providers and women as nurturers/home builders.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    I've used up my Agree button thingies for the moment but - I agree completely.
  58. @Philalethes
    Not only female suffrage and Prohibition, but several other major events in American history are closely associated with the female-dominated Miss Wormwood WASP culture of the Northeast.

    Feminism officially began with the 1848 Seneca Falls Convention, with its Declaration of Sentiments pastiche of Jefferson's famous essay. The founding group were wives of prominent abolitionists, annoyed that their husbands wouldn't give them an "equal" place in their councils.

    And much of the fuel for Lincoln's war on the Southern States (and the founding principle of limited government) was provided by the same self-righteous women who certainly knew what was best for the rest of us, including the authors of Uncle Tom's Cabin and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" (note that both continued using their pre-marriage surnames as "middle" names).

    And finally, the campaign for universal infant male circumcision also originated in Northeastern WASP culture, as yet another way to "improve" men from the beasts they naturally are.

    “And finally, the campaign for universal infant male circumcision also originated in Northeastern WASP culture, as yet another way to “improve” men from the beasts they naturally are”

    This is true. But I don’t think feminist played a big part in this. This had more to do with the Puritanism of American Society, which deams sexual pleasure as a sin. Circumcision was seen as an effective way to curb masturbation, which in the pseudo-science of the day was seen as being responsible for all sorts of ailments, as well as a way to reduce the intensity of male sexual orgasm. Men were seen as having a natural tendency towards promiscuity, and circumcision, by blunting the sexual response and making it harder to reach orgasm, as a way to make men resist “temptation”.

    With time, a bunch of pseudo-scientific “medical” reasons for circumcision arose, which were just palliative arguments for the real reasons why circumcision was practiced, which were moral/religious. The medical arguments just don’t stand up to scrutiny. Consider, for instance, the argument that circumcision reduces urinary tract infections. Well, urinary tract infections are not very serious, and easily treated with antibiotics. Or cancer of the penis: it is extremely rare even among uncircumcised males, occurring in only 1 in 100,000 men. And circumcision reduces the incidence by a measly 3%. Or consider HIV infection: circumcision does reduce the risk of infection, but just wearing a condom offers a much higher degree of protection. An uncircumcised man that wears a condom has a much lower risk of being infected than a circumcised one who doesen’t.

    [MORE]

    But nevertheless, circumcision was something that for 100 years was practiced in America only by upper crust WASPs and of course Jews. Routine circumcision of boys in America only started in the 1950’s. The vast majority of American men who fought in WW2 were uncircumcised, and most white American men over age 70 are uncircumcised as well. Likewise, the Founding Fathers were all uncircumcised as well. So were Ronald Reagan and Elvis Presley.

    Stopping the routine genital mutilation of boys in America is problematic because it would require American men, the vast majority of whom are circumcised, to admit that something bad happened to their penises. No self-respecting man will ever admit that there is something wrong with his penis. So American men will continue mutilating their sons so as to convince themselves that there is nothing wrong with their penises. A classic case of Stockholm Syndrome: victims will try to create more victims so as to justify their own victimization as something trivial.

    Of course, this would NEVER be tolerated if done to little girls. Contrary to what feminists claim, females are actually treated with far more concern, gentleness and protection than men. In fact, the genital mutilation of girls is already outlawed by federal law in America. People that argue that female circumcision is worse than male circumcision because it involves amputating the whole clitoris, while male circumcision involves removing only the foreskin, are missing the point. The point is that little girls in America are protected from ANY genital cutting, even removal of the clitoral hood, which is analogous to male circumcision. In fact, even pricking the genitals of a girl with a needle can land a doctor in jail.

    This is why I hate feminists with a passion: the fundamental premise of feminism, that men had it better than women, is false. Anyone who has watched “Titanic” can see that. All the women but almost none of the men in that ship survived. Why? Because it was accepted that men’s lives were not as valuable as women’s, and that men were required to die to protect women’s lives. How are men “privileged” if their very LIVES were deemed as less valuable? Then, there is other stuff, such as that only men had to go to war, that all the most dangerous jobs were done by men while women stayed safely at home. Yes, feminists are right that men had more freedom…to live extremely brutal and often short lives. It was not so much “freedom”, but more along the lines that men were the ones that dealt with the brutal, nasty, violent World out there, from hunting to warring and working in mines breathing asbestos. Yeah, some great “freedom”

    This is also the reason why I am not conservative, and I do not sympathize with Sailer’s anti-feminism: Sailer is anti-feminist not because of the hypocrisy of feminists in wanting to keep all the female privileges without any male responsibilities, but because he wants a return to the 1950’s when women truly were a protected class. I don’t want to go back to a Society when women received all kinds of pampering and protection just for being female. I want true legal and moral equality between men and women.I am a TRUE feminist, as any libertarian is.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    I never thought I’d see the day when this guy would say something sensible. Whaddaya know.

    I’d add that in our culture, the lives of married men are deemed more important than those without. The implication is clear: men are not an end, but have value only insofar as they are able and willing to act as resource extraction mechanisms/sex toys for women.

  59. @Jake
    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin's purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    Of course, what the two possibilities share is that each was/is not a counter-revolution against an evil revolution but self-cleansing within the ranks of blood-thirsty successful revolutionaries and their heirs in order to slightly redirect its revolutionary furor.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    Yes. An unwoke liberal elite friend said last year, “There seems to be a civil war among the Jews in Manhattan.” She works for the NYT…

  60. This post is like a tldr of The Fourth Turning by Strauss and Howe, only it says (may they be proven true) that our overturning of Prohibition will be the elimination of no-fault divorce.
    As in the “Lost generation,” the divorce fixation of “gen x” comes from having grown up under the heels of perpetually miserable and unprecedently powerful harpies who thought “Kramer Versus Kramer” was a comedy.

  61. @OilcanFloyd
    Anti-Semitism on the part of Protestants because some Jewish men are targeted by feminists for being sexual predators? At this point, feminism is a heavily Jewish movement, so I don't see the anti-Jewish angle. Maybe Jewish men just handle power over non-Jewish women about as well as black men do?

    If Protestants wanted to go anti-Semitic, they could target AIPAC, pandering to Israel, Wall Street, credit card usury that is a far bigger problem than taxation, Bernie Madoff-type swindlers, the MSM, NPR, the kosher tax on food, etc. I guess Hollywood could be a start, but I doubt there is an anti-Semitic backlash there.

    I don’t think so either. Too many beta Jewish males are quietly but gleefully watching as the guys who were getting more action than they ever did finally go down. Maybe they have prominent careers in medicine or law, but it’s all eaten up by the mortgage, the college funds, and the wife’s credit card bills, and they never got to push people around like a media star or a Hollywood producer. They can try to bully people at work, but at home, between the the wife, the mother-in-law, and their own mother, they’re definitely not top of the heap. They may worry about being unjustly tarred with the same brush, but I suspect their primary emotion is schadenfreude. Revenge of the nerds, you know.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    One of the brilliant things about True Romance is it shows the established macher big producer, who speeds every time he drives and is in the plot to buy a large box full of pure coke, in contrast to that guy's coffee-fetching idiot nephew, who gets pulled over as soon as he is five miles over the limit with a girl in the car.
  62. @fnn
    The son of a Presbyterian minister, Philip Wylie had a big dose of the Protestant reforming spirit:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/29/AR2005072902124.html

    On and on he rolled, a veritable Mississippi of bile, churning out word upon word to a total of some 100,000, just about every one of them quivering with rage -- though whether real or simulated rage remains unclear to this day. From May 12 to July 4 he hammered away, and by January 1943 the result was in the bookstores: "Generation of Vipers," published by Farrar and Rinehart in an edition of 4,000 copies, "a number commensurate with sales of my previous books and one I thought high for the current treatise." Those words were written by Wylie in December 1954 in his introduction to the book's 20th printing, by which time it had sold more than 180,000 copies and stirred a furious national debate.

    Small wonder. If there was a single group that Wylie failed to offend, its name is not recorded. Businessmen, doctors, scientists, preachers, the military, boosters, statesmen, professors -- whack! whack! whack! He demolished each and every one. Most particularly, and most famously, he demolished "mom" and the "momism" that was his coinage for the worship accorded to her. Here's a tiny taste of what he did to her:

    "Mom . . . is a middle-aged puffin with an eye like a hawk that has just seen a rabbit twitch far below. She is about twenty-five pounds overweight, with no sprint, but sharp heels and a hard backhand which she does not regard as a foul but a womanly defense. In a thousand of her there is not sex appeal enough to budge a hermit ten paces off a rock ledge. She nonetheless spends several hundred dollars a year on permanents and transformations, pomades, cleansers, rouges, lipsticks, and the like -- and fools nobody except herself. If a man kisses her with any earnestness, it is time for mom to feel for her pocketbook, and this occasionally does happen."
     

    You left out his priceless description of a rummage sale.

  63. @Faraday's Bobcat
    I wonder if we're seeing a return to the morals of the 1940s. It sure seems like it's heading that direction, just taking a really weird path because society has lost the moral vocabulary that was used to clamp down on the excesses of the Jazz Age.

    Safe spaces = sex and race segregation in education

    Perv purge = females need special protections in the workplace, or better yet, just stay away from certain situations

    Twitter and Facebook censorship = Hays Code

    Crime is down (at least until the last couple of years) and so are teen pregnancy and abortions. The exception is out-of-wedlock births which are sky high and growing.

    Problem is, the moral codes of those times were based on major religions and long-standing traditions.
    The ones now are based on whatever PC Thought Police want to decide is Thoughtcrime.

  64. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @kihowi
    The thinking behind the prohibition went like this:

    1. men seem to enjoy drinking
    2. let's ban it

    That kind of thinking didn't go away. It just stopped being applied to alcohol because women realized that getting shitfaced and slutting it up was fun and had become a possibility.

    Women instinctively want to stop men enjoying themselves. Whenever a bunch of men get together to do stuff, women feel in their bones that's it's just wrong.

    That's why every nerdy-guy hobby out there is under attack. You could go to a website devoted to something as obscure and random as metal detecting and it will be full of articles condemning its "toxic masculinity" and whatever other catch phrases happen to be popular. Usually written by somebody's wife or some female bureaucrat who doesn't really participate in the hobby but somehow has made it all about her.

    The thinking behind prohibition was this: A drunken male would drink up all his wages and leave his wife and children hungry, unclothed, and on the verge of eviction. A drunken male would also beat his wife and children to a pulp. This happened back in an era in which women found it hard to divorce, find work, or even if they found work, were still not able to support themselves and their children on the tiny wages an employer would pay a woman because she was female.

    It was nothing more than that. Don’t kid yourself.

  65. @Pseudonymically Handled
    Anyone else notice how lazy iSteve has been getting lately? Reposting his commentator's comments, quoting old articles.

    Hell, Steve just wrote a post with 500 words, 396 of which were someone else's.

    Please send money! His Ctrl and V keys are getting worn out and he needs a new keyboard!

    Anyone else notice how lazy iSteve has been getting lately? Reposting his commentator’s comments, quoting old articles.

    That’s OK with me. One of the main reasons I read the comments is to pick up links to interesting stuff.

  66. @syonredux
    http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/ThurberHawkDove.jpg

  67. @syonredux

    Of course, what H. L. Mencken, Groucho Marx, Ernest Hemingway, Ben Hecht, James Thurber, W. C. Fields, Raymond Chandler, Billy Wilder, Robert Heinlein, Norman Mailer, and so many others were kvetching about was how women were crushing their henpecked men under their iron heels. …

     

    Thurber on the War between Men and Women



    https://johnesimpson.com/images/warbetweenmenandwomen.jpg

    • Troll: edgeslider
    • Replies: @edgeslider
    LOL actually.
  68. Off-topic:

    Memphis to Jefferson Davis: ‘Na na na na, hey, hey, goodbye’

    The city of Memphis got rid of two Confederate statues Wednesday night, after a Tennessee two-step around a state law designed to prevent just that. It was a surprise maneuver that left the Sons of Confederate Veterans sputtering in anger and proclaiming to all who would listen: “Memphis stabbed you all in the back.”

    Indeed, the flashing lights cutting through the dark from scores of police vehicles provided theatrical lighting for the cranes that showed up for the formal banishment of two Confederate heroes in the city where Martin Luther King was assassinated almost 50 years ago, on April 4, 1968.

    The first to go was the equestrian statue of Confederate Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, especially loathed by many today because he was also a slave trader and a founder and “Grand Wizard” of the Ku Klux Klan. The statue was placed in a city-owned park in 1904 during the Jim Crow era of segregation.

    About a mile and a half away and about an hour or so later, a statue of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy, was hoisted from its base in another city park. The statue of Davis, who lived in Memphis from 1875 to 1878, was erected in downtown Memphis in 1964, at the height of the Civil Rights movement.

    Mayor Jim Strickland, in a statement also posted on Facebook, said the city was particularly anxious to get the job done now, in advance of the 50th anniversary of King’s death.

    “The statues no longer represent who we are as a modern, diverse city with momentum,” he wrote. He added, “Our community wants to reserve places of reverence for those we honor.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/12/21/memphis-to-jefferson-davis-na-na-na-na-hey-hey-goodbye/?utm_term=.0c101547f895

    • Replies: @Dignan
    Well, now that the Davis and Forrest statues are gone, I'm sure Memphis will transform into one of the safest cities in the country!
  69. @PiltdownMan
    The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this



    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180

     

    Careful now, don’t give Steve any ideas…

  70. @Jake
    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin's purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    Of course, what the two possibilities share is that each was/is not a counter-revolution against an evil revolution but self-cleansing within the ranks of blood-thirsty successful revolutionaries and their heirs in order to slightly redirect its revolutionary furor.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    I was unaware anybody else ever noticed this. The Bush/NeoCon Axis is an example of alliances that are also very apparent in the business and philanthropic worlds. Antisemitism is déclassé.

  71. @Flip
    I've read the theory that Prohibition was in part a backlash against beer drinking German-Americans who were viewed as insufficiently loyal in World War I. It certainly destroyed the mostly German-American owned brewing industry.

    The mother of a friend of mine died recently age 90. She was a lifelong teetotaler. I asked her why one time, and she said it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week.

    • Replies: @Karl
    72 Jim Don Bob > it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week


    Maybe a Mossad conspiracy, is NOT why the NY Jews run Hollywood.

    Maybe it's because NY Jews can count, can stay sober, and would rather schtup hot shiksas, than starve them.
    , @snorlax

    she said it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week.
     
    And, 100 years later, the state hardest-hit by opioids.

    Not to be implying anything crazy, like that HBD exists.
  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Philalethes
    Not only female suffrage and Prohibition, but several other major events in American history are closely associated with the female-dominated Miss Wormwood WASP culture of the Northeast.

    Feminism officially began with the 1848 Seneca Falls Convention, with its Declaration of Sentiments pastiche of Jefferson's famous essay. The founding group were wives of prominent abolitionists, annoyed that their husbands wouldn't give them an "equal" place in their councils.

    And much of the fuel for Lincoln's war on the Southern States (and the founding principle of limited government) was provided by the same self-righteous women who certainly knew what was best for the rest of us, including the authors of Uncle Tom's Cabin and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" (note that both continued using their pre-marriage surnames as "middle" names).

    And finally, the campaign for universal infant male circumcision also originated in Northeastern WASP culture, as yet another way to "improve" men from the beasts they naturally are.

    And finally, the campaign for universal infant male circumcision also originated in Northeastern WASP culture, as yet another way to “improve” men from the beasts they naturally are.

    This came out of a particular strand of 19th century Protestant thought. If you are the chosen people, as spoken of in the bible, it behooves you to circumcise your children. Any moral, practical, or hygiene considerations were incidental.

  73. @Dr. X

    The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this


    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180
     
    Wow, that's actually serious! ...And then these people complain about stereotypes!

    Just for laughs, here's the conversion to shekels at current rates:

    Daily rate: 7 shekels
    Monthly rate: 62.8 shekels
    Yearly rate: 627.9 shekels

    I was going to post the scene from the Hebrew Hammer where the Hammer picks up the penny, except it is not on yt. Goldberg wants to make a new one because Drumpf. There are some interesting bits… how dare the goyim want an ethnostate, for example.

    https://www.jta.org/2017/11/07/life-religion/a-hebrew-hammer-sequel-is-coming-motivated-by-trump-and-anti-semitic-twitter-trolls

    My guess is that tablet get a lot of $180 comment fees.

  74. @Pseudonymically Handled
    Anyone else notice how lazy iSteve has been getting lately? Reposting his commentator's comments, quoting old articles.

    Hell, Steve just wrote a post with 500 words, 396 of which were someone else's.

    Please send money! His Ctrl and V keys are getting worn out and he needs a new keyboard!

    Lay off of poor ol’ Steve. Mrs. Sailer surely has a huge honey-do list for him this holiday season.

  75. @Rosamond Vincy
    I don't think so either. Too many beta Jewish males are quietly but gleefully watching as the guys who were getting more action than they ever did finally go down. Maybe they have prominent careers in medicine or law, but it's all eaten up by the mortgage, the college funds, and the wife's credit card bills, and they never got to push people around like a media star or a Hollywood producer. They can try to bully people at work, but at home, between the the wife, the mother-in-law, and their own mother, they're definitely not top of the heap. They may worry about being unjustly tarred with the same brush, but I suspect their primary emotion is schadenfreude. Revenge of the nerds, you know.

    One of the brilliant things about True Romance is it shows the established macher big producer, who speeds every time he drives and is in the plot to buy a large box full of pure coke, in contrast to that guy’s coffee-fetching idiot nephew, who gets pulled over as soon as he is five miles over the limit with a girl in the car.

  76. Being a Hilary supporter seems to weigh heavily in who is targeted.

  77. @Pseudonymically Handled
    Anyone else notice how lazy iSteve has been getting lately? Reposting his commentator's comments, quoting old articles.

    Hell, Steve just wrote a post with 500 words, 396 of which were someone else's.

    Please send money! His Ctrl and V keys are getting worn out and he needs a new keyboard!

    When he gets so desperate he re-posts my comments then you may complain.

  78. @Paleo Liberal
    I think the alt-right just took a major body blow.

    The GOP ran a classic bait-and-switch. Run as alt-right populists, govern as mainstream GOP oligarchs.

    2017 saw the fulfillment of every agenda of the Donor Class, and their well-paid puppets Ryan and McConnell. They got Johnson and Corker aboard with provisions in the tax bill that gave massive tax breaks to Johnson and Corker, and even bigger ones than Trump. Oh, and to all RE developers and golf course owners.

    Of course there will be a backlash. In a little over a year, we will probably have Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Schumer. Then, in a little over 3 years, another Open Borders Democrat will be President.

    Pity. I know Ralph Nader and Pat Buchhanon were hoping for a left-right populist coalition. Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election. Trump decided to freeze out Sanders and work with Ryan and McConnell instead.

    When Trump sold out the populist movement to become the leader of the GOP establishment, that was a major body blow to the alt-right. The second major body blow was Antifa. Now, instead of the left-wing working with the alt-right, the left-wing is trying to destroy the alt-right.

    Can the alt-right recover? Possibly, but it will be more difficult.

    “Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election.”

    He did? Sounds like wishful thinking that Senator Sanders could be a Trump ally. Even after losing to Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders was describing Donald Trump as the Anti-Christ.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I addressed this in a reply to someone else.

    Do a Google search on Bernie Sanders offers to work with Trump. Returns 18.4 millions results,

    including:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/23/sanders-praises-trump-for-nixing-tpp-delighted-to-work-with-him-on-pro-worker-policies/?utm_term=.69ed200ca9f1

    and millions of others
  79. @peterike
    OT but very iStevey article.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-island-where-chinese-mothers-deliver-american-babies-1513852203
    • Replies: @a reader
    Thanks for the link to this worthwhile story.
  80. @Paleo Liberal
    I think the alt-right just took a major body blow.

    The GOP ran a classic bait-and-switch. Run as alt-right populists, govern as mainstream GOP oligarchs.

    2017 saw the fulfillment of every agenda of the Donor Class, and their well-paid puppets Ryan and McConnell. They got Johnson and Corker aboard with provisions in the tax bill that gave massive tax breaks to Johnson and Corker, and even bigger ones than Trump. Oh, and to all RE developers and golf course owners.

    Of course there will be a backlash. In a little over a year, we will probably have Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Schumer. Then, in a little over 3 years, another Open Borders Democrat will be President.

    Pity. I know Ralph Nader and Pat Buchhanon were hoping for a left-right populist coalition. Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election. Trump decided to freeze out Sanders and work with Ryan and McConnell instead.

    When Trump sold out the populist movement to become the leader of the GOP establishment, that was a major body blow to the alt-right. The second major body blow was Antifa. Now, instead of the left-wing working with the alt-right, the left-wing is trying to destroy the alt-right.

    Can the alt-right recover? Possibly, but it will be more difficult.

    Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election. Trump decided to freeze out Sanders and work with Ryan and McConnell instead.

    What are you talking about here?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    From a Google search on:

    bernie sanders offered to work with trump

    Here are a few of the results:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/sanders-trump-work-together-231158

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/bernie-sanders-can-work-with-trump-233532

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/bernie-sanders-says-work-trump-trade-policy

    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/bernie-sanders-says-hell-work-with-trump-on-working-class-issues.html


    ... and many others
  81. @Philalethes
    Not only female suffrage and Prohibition, but several other major events in American history are closely associated with the female-dominated Miss Wormwood WASP culture of the Northeast.

    Feminism officially began with the 1848 Seneca Falls Convention, with its Declaration of Sentiments pastiche of Jefferson's famous essay. The founding group were wives of prominent abolitionists, annoyed that their husbands wouldn't give them an "equal" place in their councils.

    And much of the fuel for Lincoln's war on the Southern States (and the founding principle of limited government) was provided by the same self-righteous women who certainly knew what was best for the rest of us, including the authors of Uncle Tom's Cabin and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" (note that both continued using their pre-marriage surnames as "middle" names).

    And finally, the campaign for universal infant male circumcision also originated in Northeastern WASP culture, as yet another way to "improve" men from the beasts they naturally are.

    In the age of Wikipedia, there’s really no excuse for such historical illiteracy.

    “Feminism officially began…circumcision…”

    Or maybe feminism began in France, where French socialist Charles Fourier coined the term – and promoted the ideology – as early as 1837.

    The push for universal male circumcision in the Anglosphere began with British doctors and scientists. The first major American advocate of the practice was Lewis Sayre (born in New Jersey, raised in Kentucky).

    But hey, dealing in facts is “acting white.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Which part of the United States is England or France in? Do you get confused when people talk about "Vietnam" and are clearly meaning "The US intervention in Vietnam from the fifties through the seventies"?
  82. @Rosamond Vincy
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ea/f6/36/eaf636cd6930bbbd63a4b13ba13c962e--james-thurber-new-yorker-cartoons.jpg

    LOL actually.

  83. @syonredux
    Off-topic:

    Memphis to Jefferson Davis: ‘Na na na na, hey, hey, goodbye’


    The city of Memphis got rid of two Confederate statues Wednesday night, after a Tennessee two-step around a state law designed to prevent just that. It was a surprise maneuver that left the Sons of Confederate Veterans sputtering in anger and proclaiming to all who would listen: “Memphis stabbed you all in the back.”
     

    Indeed, the flashing lights cutting through the dark from scores of police vehicles provided theatrical lighting for the cranes that showed up for the formal banishment of two Confederate heroes in the city where Martin Luther King was assassinated almost 50 years ago, on April 4, 1968.

    The first to go was the equestrian statue of Confederate Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, especially loathed by many today because he was also a slave trader and a founder and “Grand Wizard” of the Ku Klux Klan. The statue was placed in a city-owned park in 1904 during the Jim Crow era of segregation.
     

    About a mile and a half away and about an hour or so later, a statue of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy, was hoisted from its base in another city park. The statue of Davis, who lived in Memphis from 1875 to 1878, was erected in downtown Memphis in 1964, at the height of the Civil Rights movement.

    Mayor Jim Strickland, in a statement also posted on Facebook, said the city was particularly anxious to get the job done now, in advance of the 50th anniversary of King’s death.

    “The statues no longer represent who we are as a modern, diverse city with momentum,” he wrote. He added, “Our community wants to reserve places of reverence for those we honor.”

     

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/12/21/memphis-to-jefferson-davis-na-na-na-na-hey-hey-goodbye/?utm_term=.0c101547f895

    Well, now that the Davis and Forrest statues are gone, I’m sure Memphis will transform into one of the safest cities in the country!

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Well, now that the Davis and Forrest statues are gone, I’m sure Memphis will transform into one of the safest cities in the country!
     
    Well, TN Coates has established that Confederate statues produce deadly vril-rays that suppress higher-brain functions in people with high levels of melanin....
    , @Russ
    Would that the Memphis city council have just as easily been able to shed its "Mogadishu on the Mississippi" label.
  84. @Jack Hanson
    Semi right. Its definitely a purge, but coming from Trump. I know Trump is icky in your eyes, but I'm pretty sure he was sitting on this stuff and used it to torpedo the Congress into getting in line.

    Corker, Flake, McCain, Collins, or that woman from Alaska could have combined to throw a wrench in things. Hell, Corker and Flake aren't running next year so they could have provided cover to the other 3. They didn't. Why?

    Cause Trump has the goods. Why do you think he doesn't want Ryan to retire? Cause he has other things to do than take whoever replaces Ryan as Speaker to the woodshed with a 4x4.

    Yes, the Big Brains around here who can't get anything right think Trump can't tie his shoes without help, but it's absolutely amazing how Congress' attitude has changed in the time since Weinstein was outed.

    Ryan’s not running again.

  85. I’ll beg your indulgence to (for the last time) plug my Philip Roth Great American (come-back) Novel idea (incidentally, Tom Wolfe could run with it too- wasn’t there, in BACK TO BLOOD, a 60-ish successful Jewish businessman character who was ruining his marriage and/or health by compulsively playing with his putz 7-10/day, including several times during the middle of the workday from his corner office?)

    Anyway, a major theme of PORTNOY’S COMPLAINT was emasculation by all the sundry parents, relatives, neighbors, and community leaders who expected one to be a ‘nice Jewish boy’ and do the right thing by staying away from shiksas and starting a nice, Jewish family. One of the more vivid scenes is a family brawl where a cousin of Portnoy’s is subdued (literally pressed down to the ground in state of wrathful but impotent, tear-stained conniption) by his father after finding out his family paid off his Polish girlfriend to go away.

    How many of these masters of their own domain- a friend-to-the-White House Oscar-gobbling movie mogul entrusted with the education (i.e. internship) of a First Child, like a duke of old honored by one of the king’s own sons squiring at his castle; or a legal genius who becomes, not just a successful attorney, not just a ‘your Honor’ run-of-the-mill judge, but a Federal appeals judge, a literal shan-an-shah judge-of-judges sitting in splendor on his peacock throne?- how many of these machters once read PORTNOY’S COMPLAINT, were both thrilled and titillated by it, but then sublimated its lessons over the years till it became a faint cloud on their horizons, a dusty old relic as relevant as the tale of Gilgamesh.

    For years the world was their oyster, and they grew in both stature, abandon, and appetite, not even letting the limits of nature and aging stop their revelry. Until- BAM!- Current Year happens, and they are reduced to the trembling, disgraced ‘dirty little boys’ they always dreaded they were deep down inside.

    “You’ve gone too far!” they hear. “We’v had enough!” they’re told. “All your affairs and your 3 failed marriages and the suffering you inflicted on your children- as if that wasn’t bad enough. But this? You’ve become a walking, talking Goebbels poster and with your disgusting habits are threatening the very future of the Jewish people. Our children and grandchildren and great-granchildren!” And so into the judge’s chambers and corner offices and view-of-Central Park studios of these Masters at the End of History pour aggrieved wives, and ex-wives and adult children (the sons and sons-in-law mostly hapa low-T soyboys who can’t conceive, even in their loins, what drives ‘dad’ to do the filthy things he does) and now they’ve got him, cornered, and now the press of humanity drives him to the ground. And what’s this? Ambling into the room is the disgraced boy’s nonagenarian father (is that Carl Reiner? is that really 101 year old Kirk Douglas?), slowed by the years but the fire of righteousness still burning in his eyes, and- oh my god- are they really pulling down the back of his trousers? And is that- is that really a cane old Carl/ancient Kirk is going to bring crashing down on the hairy rear-end of this 60-something dirty, self-indulgent, out-of-control no-good Jewish boy to finally teach him some manners? “For the good of the Jewish people!” hums the entire room. WHACK!!

  86. @Dignan
    Well, now that the Davis and Forrest statues are gone, I'm sure Memphis will transform into one of the safest cities in the country!

    Well, now that the Davis and Forrest statues are gone, I’m sure Memphis will transform into one of the safest cities in the country!

    Well, TN Coates has established that Confederate statues produce deadly vril-rays that suppress higher-brain functions in people with high levels of melanin….

  87. @Bill

    Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election. Trump decided to freeze out Sanders and work with Ryan and McConnell instead.
     
    What are you talking about here?
    • Replies: @Bill
    Thanks, but the first one says this:

    [Sanders said:] To the degree that he [Trump] pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.
     
    That's a promise to resist Trump, not to work with him. The distinctively candidate Trump policies are exactly the policies that Sanders would call "racist, sexist, xenophobic, and anti-environment." Essentially, Sanders said that he would work with Trump to the extent that Trump was proposing to do things liberal democrats want done and would not work with him to the extent that he was proposing to do things liberal democrats don't want done. The second one is similar.

    Both Sanders and Trump seem to have comprehensively betrayed their voters at this point, both reverting to the tired, stupid politics of their respective parties.
  88. @Inquiring Mind
    "Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election."

    He did? Sounds like wishful thinking that Senator Sanders could be a Trump ally. Even after losing to Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders was describing Donald Trump as the Anti-Christ.

    I addressed this in a reply to someone else.

    Do a Google search on Bernie Sanders offers to work with Trump. Returns 18.4 millions results,

    including:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/23/sanders-praises-trump-for-nixing-tpp-delighted-to-work-with-him-on-pro-worker-policies/?utm_term=.69ed200ca9f1

    and millions of others

  89. @Pseudonymically Handled
    Anyone else notice how lazy iSteve has been getting lately? Reposting his commentator's comments, quoting old articles.

    Hell, Steve just wrote a post with 500 words, 396 of which were someone else's.

    Please send money! His Ctrl and V keys are getting worn out and he needs a new keyboard!

    LOL, Pseud.

    I thought perhaps he’s closing in on a new record for annual posts/comments. But anyway, it’s Christmas.

  90. @OilcanFloyd
    Anti-Semitism on the part of Protestants because some Jewish men are targeted by feminists for being sexual predators? At this point, feminism is a heavily Jewish movement, so I don't see the anti-Jewish angle. Maybe Jewish men just handle power over non-Jewish women about as well as black men do?

    If Protestants wanted to go anti-Semitic, they could target AIPAC, pandering to Israel, Wall Street, credit card usury that is a far bigger problem than taxation, Bernie Madoff-type swindlers, the MSM, NPR, the kosher tax on food, etc. I guess Hollywood could be a start, but I doubt there is an anti-Semitic backlash there.

    ” the kosher tax on food”

    What on earth are you talking about? What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    There are some conspiracy theorists who think there is a Kosher tax on food.
    The "proof" is the Kosher certification on some foods.

    Spoiler Alert:

    There IS no Kosher tax on food. Some food companies pay a small amount of money to a Rabbi to have the Rabbi certify the food is Kosher. In return, they get those Jews who keep Kosher, as well as some Muslims who keep Halal, as customers.

    True story -- this was told to me by the owner of a Kosher bakery, and I confirmed with some Jews that what he said is completely compatible with Kosher rules.

    There is one and only one Kosher bakery in Madison, Wisconsin. The owner is a Christian. This is the ONLY Kosher bakery between Milwaukee and the Twin Cities. That bakery can ONLY stay in business because the owner is a Christian. If the owner were a Jew, the business would close.

    The largest group of customers for the bakery are Muslims who keep Halal. They worship on Friday, and get their Kosher doughnuts on Saturday. Saturday is the busiest day of the week for this bakery. The second busiest day is Sunday, when the clientele is mostly Jewish. Since the doughnuts are quite tasty, he gets some Christians, atheists, etc. as customers as well, but these groups combined are the third largest group.

    If the business were run by a Jew, Kosher laws say it would have to close on Saturday. If it closed on Saturday, the place would go out of business, since that is their busiest day. Kosher rules say a Shabbot Goy is permitted to run the place on Saturday.

    Strange as it may seem, Kosher laws give this particular Christian a big advantage over Jews.
    , @utu
    What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?

    You can look at it as a racket.

    http://www.ok.org/about/news-room/calling-it-kosher-how-to-and-why/
    None of the certifying agencies will disclose what the charge is or what gross revenues are, nor are corporations anxious to make their own payments public.

    Rabbi Levy, observed, however, that the average annual cost to a concern for kosher inspections is about $1,000, with a range from $250 for “mom-and-pop” operations to $40,000 for a multi-plant corporation. All charges, he said, are keyed to the frequency of inspection, which could be on a continuous, daily, weekly, monthly or quarterly basis.

     

    Kosher conundrum: If water doesn’t need certification, why have the symbol?
    http://www.jns.org/latest-articles/2015/2/27/kosher-conundrum-if-water-doesnt-need-certification-why-have-the-symbol-1#.Wjy81COZPMU=


    And in Israel

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.575580
    Costs for services related to kashrut start with fixed annual payments. A small restaurant with up to 20 seats pays NIS 517 shekels ($147), a medium-sized establishment seating up to 50 people pays NIS 743, and larger ones pay NIS 1,356. Small hotels with up to 70 rooms pay NIS 3,261 a year and large ones with over 250 rooms pay NIS 12,295.

    But the annual fee to the local rabbinate constitutes just a small part of the cost for certification. Most of the expense is in the form of monthly payments to kashrut inspectors acting on behalf of the certifying body who, according to the rabbinate’s instructions, are directly employed by the business.
     
    , @OilcanFloyd
    Outside of fresh fruit and vegetables, pretty much everything you eat has a kosher seal on it, and it isn't just the food producers who pay the bribes. An example is cellulose, which is an ingredient in many foods, and is produced by pulp/paper companies. Rabbis shake them down, also. Why do you think the rabbis are able to get away with the shakedown, when less than 2% of the population cares about a kosher seal on their food? They collect bribes up and down the supply chain.

    I don't know what the total cost of forcing a good portion of the West to keep kosher, but it's undoubtedly far more than the annoyance of seeing that GD seal on just about everything I purchase. Somehow, I imagine that organized Jewry would object to a cross printed on consumer packaging.
    , @a reader
    a Jewish tax on food which appears to have spread throughout the kitchen to non-food items so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products, and from there made its way to the laundry room so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products plus laundry products, and from there metastacized to the medicine cabinet so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products plus laundry products plus over-the-counter medications.
    , @a reader

    What on earth are you talking about? What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?
     
    Great Jewish humor, by the way.
  91. @fnn
    The son of a Presbyterian minister, Philip Wylie had a big dose of the Protestant reforming spirit:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/29/AR2005072902124.html

    On and on he rolled, a veritable Mississippi of bile, churning out word upon word to a total of some 100,000, just about every one of them quivering with rage -- though whether real or simulated rage remains unclear to this day. From May 12 to July 4 he hammered away, and by January 1943 the result was in the bookstores: "Generation of Vipers," published by Farrar and Rinehart in an edition of 4,000 copies, "a number commensurate with sales of my previous books and one I thought high for the current treatise." Those words were written by Wylie in December 1954 in his introduction to the book's 20th printing, by which time it had sold more than 180,000 copies and stirred a furious national debate.

    Small wonder. If there was a single group that Wylie failed to offend, its name is not recorded. Businessmen, doctors, scientists, preachers, the military, boosters, statesmen, professors -- whack! whack! whack! He demolished each and every one. Most particularly, and most famously, he demolished "mom" and the "momism" that was his coinage for the worship accorded to her. Here's a tiny taste of what he did to her:

    "Mom . . . is a middle-aged puffin with an eye like a hawk that has just seen a rabbit twitch far below. She is about twenty-five pounds overweight, with no sprint, but sharp heels and a hard backhand which she does not regard as a foul but a womanly defense. In a thousand of her there is not sex appeal enough to budge a hermit ten paces off a rock ledge. She nonetheless spends several hundred dollars a year on permanents and transformations, pomades, cleansers, rouges, lipsticks, and the like -- and fools nobody except herself. If a man kisses her with any earnestness, it is time for mom to feel for her pocketbook, and this occasionally does happen."
     

    Wiley’s early novel, Gladiator, was the first science fiction novel about a superhuman being, and was the inspiration for Superman (although that fact, pretty obvious when you read the novel, is routinely denied by the owners of the comic book character).

    I mention it because mid-20th-century sci fi is a recurring topic in this forum. And because I’m continually amazed how all my personal interests eventually come up here.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    As I am sure you know but I and many others didn't,is the Wylie book appeared in 1930 and Supe was created in 1933 by two Jewish high school boys.
    The timeline fits pretty well!
    , @syonredux

    Wiley’s early novel, Gladiator, was the first science fiction novel about a superhuman being, and was the inspiration for Superman (although that fact, pretty obvious when you read the novel, is routinely denied by the owners of the comic book character).
     
    Yes, Wylie's Hugo Danner (superhumanly fast and strong, vulnerable only to the largest artillery shells) is the obvious prototype for Superman. And the Wylie influence doesn't stop there. Superman's origin (last survivor of the doomed planet Krypton, rocketed to Earth on his father's spaceship) was almost certainly lifted from Wylie's When Worlds Collide , only with the destination reversed (instead of an alien finding refuge on Earth, Wylie's novel involves human's escaping the Earth's destruction by travelling to another world).

    Frankly, I've always been surprised that Wylie didn't sue.
    , @BB753
    Are you also into golf courses architecture?
  92. @Pseudonymically Handled
    Anyone else notice how lazy iSteve has been getting lately? Reposting his commentator's comments, quoting old articles.

    Hell, Steve just wrote a post with 500 words, 396 of which were someone else's.

    Please send money! His Ctrl and V keys are getting worn out and he needs a new keyboard!

    Don’t you have some threads at /pol/ to troll for your SKDKnickerbocker internship, little Bluecheck?

    Or maybe Christmas to celebrate with your own family/children?

    OTOH, if my experience in the cities of the mid-Atlantic was any guide, Christmas is the perfect time for non-Christmas people to vent resentment and jealousy of others’ gifts (both inborn and given). Both the blacks and the Jews I grew up around did it in spades, so to speak, this time of year.

    So have at it, you sad little girl. But don’t quit your night job. You suck at internet trolling.

  93. @Anon
    In any hierarchy, the men who are the most loyal and honorable last longer. Likewise, in any hierarchy, men who don't pull together for the team and who view others solely to be used tend to be kicked out as being disruptive and dangerous. Jews are terrible team players. It may be related to the fact that they don't play team sports when they're young, and they're taught by their parents that fulfilling one's personal ambition is everything. But spending a life feeding your own ambition is a corrupting trait for a personality because it encourages narcissism, and once narcissism takes over a personality, it cannot be pruned back and it just becomes a malignant, growing cancer. Narcissists make themselves unbearable to everyone around them, and they're ultimately destructive for the organization because they simply don't care about what's best for the organization.

    The idea that you should dedicate your life to serving the interests of a state or community is an old Anglo-Germanic value, and it comes from a tradition of military service. Not just the army, but National Guard and even Colonial Era militia. Many people don't realize that most men in the US before during the 1600s belonged to the militia, meaning they were expected to be called to arms for emergencies such as Indian attacks, etc. Even during the 1700s, though few men were in the Regular Army, there were still many who belonged to a community militia. In the 1800s, this tradition was still strong, and higher-class men in all towns and cities naturally expected to be called on for service in a militia, and this is why Civil War ranks filled up so fast with volunteers when the war broke out. Many of the mid-tier officer positions in the ranks were mostly taken by elite men who had no West Point education themselves, but who often belonged to a militia.

    Jews don't join the military, either. There's a reason why 'white guys' run everything they get involved in. They do it with less self-interest, and they tend to think more in terms of what's best for the community. People trust them more, though they may complain about them. Every third worlder would rather have whites in charge instead of their own people, because the latter are just too corrupt.

    I am of Protestant background, and have known many Jews well all my life. I don’t think they are less community minded or less team players at all, it is just that the community is often their ethnic/religious one rather than the broader community. That’s to be expected with a minority, and I think it is less true now than in previous generations.

    As Napoleon said to the Jewish community in France, so do you guys want to be French or not? Assimilation is having its impact in Europe and North America with all the inter-marriage going on.

  94. @Jim Don Bob
    The mother of a friend of mine died recently age 90. She was a lifelong teetotaler. I asked her why one time, and she said it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week.

    72 Jim Don Bob > it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week

    Maybe a Mossad conspiracy, is NOT why the NY Jews run Hollywood.

    Maybe it’s because NY Jews can count, can stay sober, and would rather schtup hot shiksas, than starve them.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    and would rather schtup hot shiksas, than starve them.
     
    Harvey Weinstein seems to have been more interested in seeding the ficus....
    , @Flip
    "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

    -Donald Trump (allegedly)
  95. @Millennial
    In the age of Wikipedia, there's really no excuse for such historical illiteracy.

    "Feminism officially began...circumcision..."

    Or maybe feminism began in France, where French socialist Charles Fourier coined the term - and promoted the ideology - as early as 1837.

    The push for universal male circumcision in the Anglosphere began with British doctors and scientists. The first major American advocate of the practice was Lewis Sayre (born in New Jersey, raised in Kentucky).

    But hey, dealing in facts is "acting white."

    Which part of the United States is England or France in? Do you get confused when people talk about “Vietnam” and are clearly meaning “The US intervention in Vietnam from the fifties through the seventies”?

  96. “You can’t produce films, TV shows and Broadway musicals as efficiently with high levels of sexual corruption…”

    On the other hand it might explain why Hollywood makes such lousy movies compared to movies made pre-1965. The 60’s sexual revolution put the casting couch on steroids when men became liberated from guilt over cheating and women became liberated from shame for having sex outside marriage. That’s not the whole story for why current Hollywood movies suck. The other half is that screenwriters and directors grew up watching lame TV instead of reading books like the directors and screenwriters of earlier eras. In part, this might explain why the best movies these days tend to be comic book movies. Elaborate graphics and text are good for developing the imagination.

  97. If America wanted to win the Great War, the feeling was, you couldn’t have a lot of drunken Irish gumming up the gears of the war machine.

    Never mind that Britain conquered a quarter of the world with Scottish officers and drunken Irish grunts.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    If America wanted to win the Great War, the feeling was, you couldn’t have a lot of drunken Irish gumming up the gears of the war machine.

    Never mind that Britain conquered a quarter of the world with Scottish officers and drunken Irish grunts.
     
    Fighting Germans is a tougher proposition than subjugating Australian Aborigines and African tribesmen.....
  98. Syonredux and Rosamond Vincy

    you may have heard of the following TV show, from 1969-70 so perhaps too far back in the day, about James Thurber.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_World_and_Welcome_to_It

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    One of the retro channels showed an early '70s movie loosely based on Thurber's work called "The War Between Men and Women." When the cartoonist's girlfriend and her daughter (or maybe it's his wife and stepdaughter at that point) see his drunken misogynist fantasies scrawled all over the place, the daughter asks why he has so many pictures of men killing women. Without requiring Trigger Warnings, Safe Spaces, or puppies, the mother coolly answers, "Because it's the only way they can win."
  99. H. L. Mencken, Groucho Marx, Ernest Hemingway, Ben Hecht, James Thurber, W. C. Fields, Raymond Chandler, Billy Wilder, Robert Heinlein, Norman Mailer, and so many others…

    How did you manage to leave out the champion of such a list, Philip Wylie?

  100. @ChrisZ
    Wiley’s early novel, Gladiator, was the first science fiction novel about a superhuman being, and was the inspiration for Superman (although that fact, pretty obvious when you read the novel, is routinely denied by the owners of the comic book character).

    I mention it because mid-20th-century sci fi is a recurring topic in this forum. And because I’m continually amazed how all my personal interests eventually come up here.

    As I am sure you know but I and many others didn’t,is the Wylie book appeared in 1930 and Supe was created in 1933 by two Jewish high school boys.
    The timeline fits pretty well!

  101. @Flip
    I've read the theory that Prohibition was in part a backlash against beer drinking German-Americans who were viewed as insufficiently loyal in World War I. It certainly destroyed the mostly German-American owned brewing industry.

    Yeungling (Anglicized from “Jüngling”) is America’s oldest brewer. It survived prohibition in part by making ice cream. It’s still around and does monster business with little advertising.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Anheuser-Busch supplied yeast to bootleggers. Gussie Busch said they had a deal with Al Capone.
    , @David Davenport
    Yeungling (Anglicized from “Jüngling”) is America’s oldest brewer. It survived prohibition in part by making ice cream. It’s still around and does monster business with little advertising.

    I'm drinking a Yeungling Black & Tan as I type. Yeungling is one of America's drinkable cheaper, mass market beers. Yeungling Black & Tan ( mixture of porter and lager ) is better than Yeungling lager.
  102. @Jake
    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin's purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    Of course, what the two possibilities share is that each was/is not a counter-revolution against an evil revolution but self-cleansing within the ranks of blood-thirsty successful revolutionaries and their heirs in order to slightly redirect its revolutionary furor.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin’s purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    This implies that there was some sort of merit to Stalin’s purges, which is counterfactual, to put it politely. His purges also fell heavily on some of Russia’s most talented military officers, including Rokossovsky who, luckily for Stalin and Russia, survived Siberia.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Stalin tended to purge anyone who got powerful enough to frighten him, loyal or otherwise.

    The current Kim of the Norks does the same thing. Even family members.

    One of the many tales coming out of the old USSR, completely unsubstantiated, is that Stalin's aides poisoned him. Partly because they were concerned about being purged, but also because he seemed hell-bent on starting a nuclear war with the US. In the meantime, Stalin had built concentration camps for the Jews, and was about to implement his Final Solution when he died.

    It is amazing how many close calls we had with nuclear war. One of the most interesting stories is when the US discovered that there had been bugs for many years in the US Embassy in Moscow. The Soviets were hearing all sorts of highly secret conversations.

    A task force was put together to assess the damage done to the US by the bugs. The task force concluded that the bugs may have saved the world from nuclear war. Thing is, the Soviets at the time were scared of a first strike by the US, the way Hitler did a first strike, and were listening in for warnings to the Embassy staff to get the hell out of Dodge. Since the warnings never came, the Russians knew we weren't planning on a first strike.
    , @syonredux

    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin’s purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    This implies that there was some sort of merit to Stalin’s purges, which is counterfactual, to put it politely. His purges also fell heavily on some of Russia’s most talented military officers, including Rokossovsky who, luckily for Stalin and Russia, survived Siberia.
     
    And the single biggest victim-category consisted of "Kulaks," peasants who had managed to survive the Collectivization Campaign and Holodomor.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge#Ex-kulaks_and_other_"anti-Soviet_elements"
  103. My theory is it’s a mix of Disney and Fox doing due diligence (to ex out high risk obligations) before the merger, with Jewish media broads dishing dirt on the dirty dogs they know best (Jewish guys) with the whole genuinely viral portion of the MeToo phenomenon.

    Some Jewish female reporters on Twitter like Bari Weiss knew ahead of time some of the stories that were going to run, which made me think that there was more coordination, particularly around the not-particularly-predatory- old-straight-guy contingent of the accused, than we were supposed to think.

  104. @kaganovitch
    " the kosher tax on food"

    What on earth are you talking about? What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?

    There are some conspiracy theorists who think there is a Kosher tax on food.
    The “proof” is the Kosher certification on some foods.

    Spoiler Alert:

    There IS no Kosher tax on food. Some food companies pay a small amount of money to a Rabbi to have the Rabbi certify the food is Kosher. In return, they get those Jews who keep Kosher, as well as some Muslims who keep Halal, as customers.

    True story — this was told to me by the owner of a Kosher bakery, and I confirmed with some Jews that what he said is completely compatible with Kosher rules.

    There is one and only one Kosher bakery in Madison, Wisconsin. The owner is a Christian. This is the ONLY Kosher bakery between Milwaukee and the Twin Cities. That bakery can ONLY stay in business because the owner is a Christian. If the owner were a Jew, the business would close.

    The largest group of customers for the bakery are Muslims who keep Halal. They worship on Friday, and get their Kosher doughnuts on Saturday. Saturday is the busiest day of the week for this bakery. The second busiest day is Sunday, when the clientele is mostly Jewish. Since the doughnuts are quite tasty, he gets some Christians, atheists, etc. as customers as well, but these groups combined are the third largest group.

    If the business were run by a Jew, Kosher laws say it would have to close on Saturday. If it closed on Saturday, the place would go out of business, since that is their busiest day. Kosher rules say a Shabbot Goy is permitted to run the place on Saturday.

    Strange as it may seem, Kosher laws give this particular Christian a big advantage over Jews.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Is food cost plus?
    Do foods sold in grocery stores live or die depending on shelf placement?
    Does kosher certification streamline the distribution and placement process?
    Can gentiles certify food as kosher?
    , @kaganovitch
    Interesting , but this is not a Shabbat Goy. A Shabbat Goy is a Gentile who is doing something prohibited to a Jew for the Jew on Shabbat. There is no prohibition for a Gentile to run his business on the Shabbat. It would be prohibited though for the Jew to use donuts baked on the Shabbat until such time after Shabbat that they could have been baked after Shabbat.
  105. @Dave Pinsen

    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin’s purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.
     
    This implies that there was some sort of merit to Stalin's purges, which is counterfactual, to put it politely. His purges also fell heavily on some of Russia's most talented military officers, including Rokossovsky who, luckily for Stalin and Russia, survived Siberia.

    Stalin tended to purge anyone who got powerful enough to frighten him, loyal or otherwise.

    The current Kim of the Norks does the same thing. Even family members.

    One of the many tales coming out of the old USSR, completely unsubstantiated, is that Stalin’s aides poisoned him. Partly because they were concerned about being purged, but also because he seemed hell-bent on starting a nuclear war with the US. In the meantime, Stalin had built concentration camps for the Jews, and was about to implement his Final Solution when he died.

    It is amazing how many close calls we had with nuclear war. One of the most interesting stories is when the US discovered that there had been bugs for many years in the US Embassy in Moscow. The Soviets were hearing all sorts of highly secret conversations.

    A task force was put together to assess the damage done to the US by the bugs. The task force concluded that the bugs may have saved the world from nuclear war. Thing is, the Soviets at the time were scared of a first strike by the US, the way Hitler did a first strike, and were listening in for warnings to the Embassy staff to get the hell out of Dodge. Since the warnings never came, the Russians knew we weren’t planning on a first strike.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    That's true, but a lot of not-so-powerful people were purged as well, such as Solomon Levit and Izrail Agol, who were guilty of the characteristically Jewish failing of getting handsy with the Shiksas conducting scientific research.
    , @a reader

    Stalin had built concentration camps for the Jews, and was about to implement his Final Solution when he died.
     
    Stalin ...

    ... or those two fellows?

  106. @Dave Pinsen

    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin’s purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.
     
    This implies that there was some sort of merit to Stalin's purges, which is counterfactual, to put it politely. His purges also fell heavily on some of Russia's most talented military officers, including Rokossovsky who, luckily for Stalin and Russia, survived Siberia.

    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin’s purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    This implies that there was some sort of merit to Stalin’s purges, which is counterfactual, to put it politely. His purges also fell heavily on some of Russia’s most talented military officers, including Rokossovsky who, luckily for Stalin and Russia, survived Siberia.

    And the single biggest victim-category consisted of “Kulaks,” peasants who had managed to survive the Collectivization Campaign and Holodomor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge#Ex-kulaks_and_other_”anti-Soviet_elements”

  107. @ChrisZ
    Wiley’s early novel, Gladiator, was the first science fiction novel about a superhuman being, and was the inspiration for Superman (although that fact, pretty obvious when you read the novel, is routinely denied by the owners of the comic book character).

    I mention it because mid-20th-century sci fi is a recurring topic in this forum. And because I’m continually amazed how all my personal interests eventually come up here.

    Wiley’s early novel, Gladiator, was the first science fiction novel about a superhuman being, and was the inspiration for Superman (although that fact, pretty obvious when you read the novel, is routinely denied by the owners of the comic book character).

    Yes, Wylie’s Hugo Danner (superhumanly fast and strong, vulnerable only to the largest artillery shells) is the obvious prototype for Superman. And the Wylie influence doesn’t stop there. Superman’s origin (last survivor of the doomed planet Krypton, rocketed to Earth on his father’s spaceship) was almost certainly lifted from Wylie’s When Worlds Collide , only with the destination reversed (instead of an alien finding refuge on Earth, Wylie’s novel involves human’s escaping the Earth’s destruction by travelling to another world).

    Frankly, I’ve always been surprised that Wylie didn’t sue.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    The story (though murky) is that Wiley DID sue, or threatened to. But for some reason he had neglected to secure legal rights to Gladiator, so he didn’t pursue the matter. A few people have tried to dig up documentation—attorney’s letters etc.—but have come up empty.

    In my boyhood, accounts of Superman’s publishing origins would sometimes mention Gladiator in an offhand way, as if there was at most a Platonic resemblance between Clark Kent and Hugo Danner. In the last 20 years, though, the authorized accounts of Superman’s creation are scrubbed of any mention of Wiley. Gladiator itself was out of print for years.

    I finally stumbled on an e-text within the last decade, and was actually shocked at how obvious the “borrowing” was—not just in the general theme of a solitary man with inhuman strength, but in many lesser details.

    Here’s one you’ll appreciate, Syon: the standard story told about Superman’s creation, of a humid night where a man dreams of all the strongmen of history rolled into one, is actually a dramatic episode in Wiley’s novel.

    (No offense intended here to the achievement of Jerry Siegel, who made something enduring out of Wiley’s one-shot idea. He was a creator of rare imagination himself, and it’s sad that control and profit from Superman were snatched from him.)
  108. @Jack Hanson
    Semi right. Its definitely a purge, but coming from Trump. I know Trump is icky in your eyes, but I'm pretty sure he was sitting on this stuff and used it to torpedo the Congress into getting in line.

    Corker, Flake, McCain, Collins, or that woman from Alaska could have combined to throw a wrench in things. Hell, Corker and Flake aren't running next year so they could have provided cover to the other 3. They didn't. Why?

    Cause Trump has the goods. Why do you think he doesn't want Ryan to retire? Cause he has other things to do than take whoever replaces Ryan as Speaker to the woodshed with a 4x4.

    Yes, the Big Brains around here who can't get anything right think Trump can't tie his shoes without help, but it's absolutely amazing how Congress' attitude has changed in the time since Weinstein was outed.

    Cause Trump has the goods. Why do you think he doesn’t want Ryan to retire? Cause he has other things to do than take whoever replaces Ryan as Speaker to the woodshed with a 4×4.

    Yes, the Big Brains around here who can’t get anything right think Trump can’t tie his shoes without help, but it’s absolutely amazing how Congress’ attitude has changed in the time since Weinstein was outed.

    ~facepalm~

    You gotta be kiddin’ me, like the only reason why Paul Ryan would bust his butt to get a tax cut through the House is because Trump’s got dirt on him.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    This is not an argument, nor an accurate recitation of the point being made.
  109. @Reg Cæsar

    If America wanted to win the Great War, the feeling was, you couldn’t have a lot of drunken Irish gumming up the gears of the war machine.
     
    Never mind that Britain conquered a quarter of the world with Scottish officers and drunken Irish grunts.

    If America wanted to win the Great War, the feeling was, you couldn’t have a lot of drunken Irish gumming up the gears of the war machine.

    Never mind that Britain conquered a quarter of the world with Scottish officers and drunken Irish grunts.

    Fighting Germans is a tougher proposition than subjugating Australian Aborigines and African tribesmen…..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Fighting Germans is a tougher proposition than subjugating Australian Aborigines and African tribesmen…..

     

    ...and even if you win, you don't get to keep their land or their minerals. So it's hardly worth the effort.
  110. @Karl
    72 Jim Don Bob > it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week


    Maybe a Mossad conspiracy, is NOT why the NY Jews run Hollywood.

    Maybe it's because NY Jews can count, can stay sober, and would rather schtup hot shiksas, than starve them.

    and would rather schtup hot shiksas, than starve them.

    Harvey Weinstein seems to have been more interested in seeding the ficus….

  111. @Prof. Woland
    Computers / the internet are the ultimate dis-intermediary. What is happening to Hollywood has been happening to every other industry for a while now.

    It is not an accident that the first part of the media to take a hit was the news. Newspapers lost adds to Craigslist. Small 'news' sites on the internet have been scooping the bigger institutional news organizations. Crowd sourcing allows for a fact check that does not rely on "professional" journalists making it harder to spike or bury stories. This has been a blow, the left will never fully recover from.

    Now it is occurring to the movie and television industry. By nature, these are more complicated, technical, and expensive to produce but why do you need a schmuck like Harvey Weinstein in the middle? There are actresses / actors so desperate to work they would f*^% Weinstein so clearly finding actors is not the problem. The Chinese and Japanese have money falling out of their pockets and want to buy studios so capital is not the problem. And computer animation is eliminating much of the need for expensive stages or props cutting the need for the studio infrastructure and their fickle liberal employees.

    If the quality of movies Hollywood produced were that good people would still pay, but like the NFL, there is a limit to what people will watch or pay. I think we have reached it.

    In ten years, women will officially be obsolete. Sex bots will fill the world’s closets, and cinema will be computer generated. Boy, I hope that AI will think of something new to say.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    In ten years, women will officially be obsolete. Sex bots will fill the world’s closets, and cinema will be computer generated. Boy, I hope that AI will think of something new to say.
     
    I think you have it backwards. Sex bots are the booby prize for losers.

    Sex robots are an extension of porn, in 3d and participative. Take it from there.

    , @Paleo Liberal
    Sorry, but women can never be obsolete.

    As the saying goes, sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive.

    If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died.

    If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet.

    That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs.
    , @Prof. Woland
    I have adult children in their early twenty's so I am subjected to a steady diet of movies that are produced using computer generated images. they are visually and audibly overwhelming, even on a 60" television but they seem to lack acting or in depth characters. It is always some dystopian story that is as depressing as it is dull.

    Interestingly enough, being able to produce high quality graphics should help a story because it allows the stage to fit the dialog v. the other way around. You see this on historical shows where the graphics have to be taken from wherever they can get them to support the narrative even if they are from somewhere else. There might be room for better movies because they can focus on acting now rather than whatever MacGuffin happened to be available.
  112. @syonredux

    Of course, what H. L. Mencken, Groucho Marx, Ernest Hemingway, Ben Hecht, James Thurber, W. C. Fields, Raymond Chandler, Billy Wilder, Robert Heinlein, Norman Mailer, and so many others were kvetching about was how women were crushing their henpecked men under their iron heels. …

     

    Thurber on the War between Men and Women



    https://johnesimpson.com/images/warbetweenmenandwomen.jpg

    Thurber was terrific. Anyone who thinks that relations between the sexes differs much from era to era should read his stuff.

    Fables For Our Time is a nice introduction to his work.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Please don't call attention to James Thurber's work in 2017.

    They'll just destroy his memory by branding him a misogynist and fabricate some fake dirt about his personal life to discredit him.

    Thurber's very much a private, secret pleasure now, in our age when humor by a man involving any references to women is verboten.
  113. @dr kill
    In ten years, women will officially be obsolete. Sex bots will fill the world's closets, and cinema will be computer generated. Boy, I hope that AI will think of something new to say.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs3xXlXSOKk

    In ten years, women will officially be obsolete. Sex bots will fill the world’s closets, and cinema will be computer generated. Boy, I hope that AI will think of something new to say.

    I think you have it backwards. Sex bots are the booby prize for losers.

    Sex robots are an extension of porn, in 3d and participative. Take it from there.

  114. @Jake
    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin's purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    Of course, what the two possibilities share is that each was/is not a counter-revolution against an evil revolution but self-cleansing within the ranks of blood-thirsty successful revolutionaries and their heirs in order to slightly redirect its revolutionary furor.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    Yes, the Judaizers since Oliver Cromwell have deformed or destroyed the remnants of the Christian
    order in Britain and here. Consider the rapine the Protector visited upon the Irish. Or, in this season, the abolition of Christas. Regicides after
    the Restoration of Charles II found haven in Connecticut and Massachusetts, the homeland of what
    we call the WASPS (a bit of a misnomer, as there were other sorts of British Protestants elsewhere
    in the American colonies).

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Regicides after
    the Restoration of Charles II found haven in Connecticut and Massachusetts,
     
    I was always rather fond of the legends surrounding William Goffe, the "Angel of Hadley":

    In 1660, during the Restoration, he escaped with his father-in-law, General Edward Whalley, to Massachusetts. They landed in Boston on 27 July 1660, and settled in Cambridge. When the news arrived in Boston, on the last day of November, that the act of indemnity passed by parliament in August excepted them from its provisions, the government of the colony began to be uneasy, and a meeting of the council was held on 22 February 1661 to consult as to their security.[4]

    Four days later, the two fled for New Haven, Connecticut, arriving on 7 March 1661.[4] There John Dixwell, also condemned as a regicide, was living under an assumed name. They were housed by Rev. John Davenport. After a reward was offered for their arrest, they pretended to flee to New York City, but instead returned by a roundabout way to New Haven. In May, the Royal order for their arrest reached Boston, and was sent by the Governor to William Leete, Governor of the New Haven Colony, residing at Guilford. Leete delayed the King's messengers, allowing Goffe and Whalley to disappear. They spent much of the summer in Judges' Cave at West Rock.[5]

    Letters to Dr. Increase Mather and others give hints as to Goffe's whereabouts, but very little is clear, perhaps due to his desire not to be captured and executed. He appears to have passed the rest of his life in exile in New England, separated from his wife and children, under one or more assumed names.[5]

    Tradition has him sheltering for a decade in the home of Rev. John Russell at Hadley, Massachusetts, reappearing, according to legend, to lead the town's defence during King Philip's War, giving rise to the legend of the Angel of Hadley.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Goffe#In_New_England

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_Hadley
    , @David Davenport
    Yes, the Judaizers since Oliver Cromwell have deformed or destroyed the remnants of the Christian
    order


    Uncle Remus, was Martin Luther a Judaizer?
  115. @syonredux
    http://arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/ThurberHome.jpg

    That cartoon sums up Thurber’s view of domestic life.

  116. …started by Ronan Farrow and Rose McGowan. H.L. Mencken called; he wants his Boston Brahmin America back.

  117. @Paleo Liberal
    From a Google search on:

    bernie sanders offered to work with trump

    Here are a few of the results:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/sanders-trump-work-together-231158

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/bernie-sanders-can-work-with-trump-233532

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/bernie-sanders-says-work-trump-trade-policy

    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/bernie-sanders-says-hell-work-with-trump-on-working-class-issues.html


    ... and many others

    Thanks, but the first one says this:

    [Sanders said:] To the degree that he [Trump] pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.

    That’s a promise to resist Trump, not to work with him. The distinctively candidate Trump policies are exactly the policies that Sanders would call “racist, sexist, xenophobic, and anti-environment.” Essentially, Sanders said that he would work with Trump to the extent that Trump was proposing to do things liberal democrats want done and would not work with him to the extent that he was proposing to do things liberal democrats don’t want done. The second one is similar.

    Both Sanders and Trump seem to have comprehensively betrayed their voters at this point, both reverting to the tired, stupid politics of their respective parties.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Sad to say, way too much truth in what you said.

    Before Bernie Sanders ran for president, he was against the divisive identity politics. That worked very well in Vermont. Not as good getting the ethnic votes in presidential primaries

    My family has been Democratic since the beginning. I am very sorry to say the party is lost in identity politics. I only vote Democratic because I dislike the GOP more than the Dems. I understand people who dislike the GOP establishment but vote GOP because they hate the GOP less than the Democrats. Different side of the same coin.
  118. @Ivy
    Syonredux and Rosamond Vincy

    you may have heard of the following TV show, from 1969-70 so perhaps too far back in the day, about James Thurber.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_World_and_Welcome_to_It

    One of the retro channels showed an early ’70s movie loosely based on Thurber’s work called “The War Between Men and Women.” When the cartoonist’s girlfriend and her daughter (or maybe it’s his wife and stepdaughter at that point) see his drunken misogynist fantasies scrawled all over the place, the daughter asks why he has so many pictures of men killing women. Without requiring Trigger Warnings, Safe Spaces, or puppies, the mother coolly answers, “Because it’s the only way they can win.”

  119. @Bill
    Thanks, but the first one says this:

    [Sanders said:] To the degree that he [Trump] pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.
     
    That's a promise to resist Trump, not to work with him. The distinctively candidate Trump policies are exactly the policies that Sanders would call "racist, sexist, xenophobic, and anti-environment." Essentially, Sanders said that he would work with Trump to the extent that Trump was proposing to do things liberal democrats want done and would not work with him to the extent that he was proposing to do things liberal democrats don't want done. The second one is similar.

    Both Sanders and Trump seem to have comprehensively betrayed their voters at this point, both reverting to the tired, stupid politics of their respective parties.

    Sad to say, way too much truth in what you said.

    Before Bernie Sanders ran for president, he was against the divisive identity politics. That worked very well in Vermont. Not as good getting the ethnic votes in presidential primaries

    My family has been Democratic since the beginning. I am very sorry to say the party is lost in identity politics. I only vote Democratic because I dislike the GOP more than the Dems. I understand people who dislike the GOP establishment but vote GOP because they hate the GOP less than the Democrats. Different side of the same coin.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @David Davenport
    I only vote Democratic because I dislike the GOP more than the Dems.

    In short, you only are a Democrat because you vote Democrat.

    Shorter still, you remain a Democrat.
  120. @Uncle Remus
    Yes, the Judaizers since Oliver Cromwell have deformed or destroyed the remnants of the Christian
    order in Britain and here. Consider the rapine the Protector visited upon the Irish. Or, in this season, the abolition of Christas. Regicides after
    the Restoration of Charles II found haven in Connecticut and Massachusetts, the homeland of what
    we call the WASPS (a bit of a misnomer, as there were other sorts of British Protestants elsewhere
    in the American colonies).

    Regicides after
    the Restoration of Charles II found haven in Connecticut and Massachusetts,

    I was always rather fond of the legends surrounding William Goffe, the “Angel of Hadley”:

    In 1660, during the Restoration, he escaped with his father-in-law, General Edward Whalley, to Massachusetts. They landed in Boston on 27 July 1660, and settled in Cambridge. When the news arrived in Boston, on the last day of November, that the act of indemnity passed by parliament in August excepted them from its provisions, the government of the colony began to be uneasy, and a meeting of the council was held on 22 February 1661 to consult as to their security.[4]

    Four days later, the two fled for New Haven, Connecticut, arriving on 7 March 1661.[4] There John Dixwell, also condemned as a regicide, was living under an assumed name. They were housed by Rev. John Davenport. After a reward was offered for their arrest, they pretended to flee to New York City, but instead returned by a roundabout way to New Haven. In May, the Royal order for their arrest reached Boston, and was sent by the Governor to William Leete, Governor of the New Haven Colony, residing at Guilford. Leete delayed the King’s messengers, allowing Goffe and Whalley to disappear. They spent much of the summer in Judges’ Cave at West Rock.[5]

    Letters to Dr. Increase Mather and others give hints as to Goffe’s whereabouts, but very little is clear, perhaps due to his desire not to be captured and executed. He appears to have passed the rest of his life in exile in New England, separated from his wife and children, under one or more assumed names.[5]

    Tradition has him sheltering for a decade in the home of Rev. John Russell at Hadley, Massachusetts, reappearing, according to legend, to lead the town’s defence during King Philip’s War, giving rise to the legend of the Angel of Hadley.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Goffe#In_New_England

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_Hadley

  121. @dr kill
    In ten years, women will officially be obsolete. Sex bots will fill the world's closets, and cinema will be computer generated. Boy, I hope that AI will think of something new to say.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs3xXlXSOKk

    Sorry, but women can never be obsolete.

    As the saying goes, sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive.

    If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died.

    If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet.

    That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs.

    • Replies: @Nick Diaz
    "Sorry, but women can never be obsolete.

    As the saying goes, sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive."

    You clearly can't read. What that poster clearly meant by saying that women will become obsolete is that women use their vaginas to manipulate men. With sex bots, they will no longer be able to do that. Reproduction has nothing to do it what the poster was saying. Men do stuff for women most of the time not because they want babies out of them, but because they want sex.

    "If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died."

    The reverse is also true: if every man disappeared, the human race would end as well.

    "If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet."

    What a stupid argument. Going by your argument, all women could die as long as we had enough human eggs in storage - those can be harvested too, you know?

    "That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs"

    Yes, and it is a cruel and unfair argument. Going by this stupid logic, then why don't we send people with Down's Syndrome to the front lines? After all, they have an even lower biological value than the average man. The reproductive value of people with Down's Syndrome is extremely low. But we don't send them to be blown to pieces because it is barbaric. The fact that men have a lower biological value should be 100% irrelevant when it comes to setting laws and jurisprudence. We either have equality before the law or we don't. I despise chivalry, this pathetic white knighting that many men do that serves them no good.

    , @Anonymous

    If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died.

    If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet.

    That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs.
     
    It was one reason, another being the sense of decency of men not wanting to see women come to a bad end. And also that generally speaking, hazardous jobs were even more hazardous for a woman than they would be for a man. Most were also physically taxing.

    By standards of old, outside combat there aren't that many dangerous jobs any more, at least not in the First World. Automation, remote control, and modern safety equipment have made most dangerous jobs in civilian life safe.
  122. @Dave Pinsen
    Yeungling (Anglicized from "Jüngling") is America's oldest brewer. It survived prohibition in part by making ice cream. It's still around and does monster business with little advertising.

    Anheuser-Busch supplied yeast to bootleggers. Gussie Busch said they had a deal with Al Capone.

  123. @Paleo Liberal
    There are some conspiracy theorists who think there is a Kosher tax on food.
    The "proof" is the Kosher certification on some foods.

    Spoiler Alert:

    There IS no Kosher tax on food. Some food companies pay a small amount of money to a Rabbi to have the Rabbi certify the food is Kosher. In return, they get those Jews who keep Kosher, as well as some Muslims who keep Halal, as customers.

    True story -- this was told to me by the owner of a Kosher bakery, and I confirmed with some Jews that what he said is completely compatible with Kosher rules.

    There is one and only one Kosher bakery in Madison, Wisconsin. The owner is a Christian. This is the ONLY Kosher bakery between Milwaukee and the Twin Cities. That bakery can ONLY stay in business because the owner is a Christian. If the owner were a Jew, the business would close.

    The largest group of customers for the bakery are Muslims who keep Halal. They worship on Friday, and get their Kosher doughnuts on Saturday. Saturday is the busiest day of the week for this bakery. The second busiest day is Sunday, when the clientele is mostly Jewish. Since the doughnuts are quite tasty, he gets some Christians, atheists, etc. as customers as well, but these groups combined are the third largest group.

    If the business were run by a Jew, Kosher laws say it would have to close on Saturday. If it closed on Saturday, the place would go out of business, since that is their busiest day. Kosher rules say a Shabbot Goy is permitted to run the place on Saturday.

    Strange as it may seem, Kosher laws give this particular Christian a big advantage over Jews.

    Is food cost plus?
    Do foods sold in grocery stores live or die depending on shelf placement?
    Does kosher certification streamline the distribution and placement process?
    Can gentiles certify food as kosher?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There are various certifying authorities for what is and isn't kosher, all of necessity run by Jews who claim to be the "most 100 percent standard tech" Jews there are (to mix religious metaphors). The certifiers are rabbis, but the company need not be owned by Jews.

    This is a voluntary thing on the part of food companies and I have no problem with it particularly, because they make a decision to do it or not based on the downside vs. the upside. Jews do not and AFAIK have never been accused of terrorizing or intimidating businesses that are not kosher, they just don't buy those products. And many non Jews see kosher certification as a plus as it does require some attention to detail and prohibit certain ingredients you might not want, at least in certain products, anyway.
  124. @Dignan
    Well, now that the Davis and Forrest statues are gone, I'm sure Memphis will transform into one of the safest cities in the country!

    Would that the Memphis city council have just as easily been able to shed its “Mogadishu on the Mississippi” label.

  125. @syonredux

    If America wanted to win the Great War, the feeling was, you couldn’t have a lot of drunken Irish gumming up the gears of the war machine.

    Never mind that Britain conquered a quarter of the world with Scottish officers and drunken Irish grunts.
     
    Fighting Germans is a tougher proposition than subjugating Australian Aborigines and African tribesmen.....

    Fighting Germans is a tougher proposition than subjugating Australian Aborigines and African tribesmen…..

    …and even if you win, you don’t get to keep their land or their minerals. So it’s hardly worth the effort.

  126. @syonredux

    Wiley’s early novel, Gladiator, was the first science fiction novel about a superhuman being, and was the inspiration for Superman (although that fact, pretty obvious when you read the novel, is routinely denied by the owners of the comic book character).
     
    Yes, Wylie's Hugo Danner (superhumanly fast and strong, vulnerable only to the largest artillery shells) is the obvious prototype for Superman. And the Wylie influence doesn't stop there. Superman's origin (last survivor of the doomed planet Krypton, rocketed to Earth on his father's spaceship) was almost certainly lifted from Wylie's When Worlds Collide , only with the destination reversed (instead of an alien finding refuge on Earth, Wylie's novel involves human's escaping the Earth's destruction by travelling to another world).

    Frankly, I've always been surprised that Wylie didn't sue.

    The story (though murky) is that Wiley DID sue, or threatened to. But for some reason he had neglected to secure legal rights to Gladiator, so he didn’t pursue the matter. A few people have tried to dig up documentation—attorney’s letters etc.—but have come up empty.

    In my boyhood, accounts of Superman’s publishing origins would sometimes mention Gladiator in an offhand way, as if there was at most a Platonic resemblance between Clark Kent and Hugo Danner. In the last 20 years, though, the authorized accounts of Superman’s creation are scrubbed of any mention of Wiley. Gladiator itself was out of print for years.

    I finally stumbled on an e-text within the last decade, and was actually shocked at how obvious the “borrowing” was—not just in the general theme of a solitary man with inhuman strength, but in many lesser details.

    Here’s one you’ll appreciate, Syon: the standard story told about Superman’s creation, of a humid night where a man dreams of all the strongmen of history rolled into one, is actually a dramatic episode in Wiley’s novel.

    (No offense intended here to the achievement of Jerry Siegel, who made something enduring out of Wiley’s one-shot idea. He was a creator of rare imagination himself, and it’s sad that control and profit from Superman were snatched from him.)

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I finally stumbled on an e-text within the last decade, and was actually shocked at how obvious the “borrowing” was—not just in the general theme of a solitary man with inhuman strength, but in many lesser details.
     
    Yeah, it is kinda amazing how many plot points were lifted from the novel:

    Cleaning up Washington: Searching for a way to use his powers for public good, Hugo Danner goes to Washington and drives out a corrupt lobbyist. Of course, this doesn't change anything, because cleaning up Washington is a Sisyphean (or should that be Augean?) task. In Superman's first year of publication, he goes to Washington and cleans up the town by taking out both the corrupt lobbyist and the "Merchants of Death" (arms dealers) who are backing him.

    Football is a violent game: While in college, Hugo becomes a gridiron star...until he gets a tad carried away and accidentally kills an opposing player....Meanwhile, Superman (again, in his first year of stories) goes undercover as a college football star and breaks-up a gang of crooked gamblers who are fixing games....

    War, what is it good for: Hugo goes off to fight in the Great War (where he learns that he is invulnerable to bullets and that only the largest artillery shells are capable of hurting him) but finds only horror and death. Deciding to end the war, he decides that he'll invade Berlin single-handed and kill the Kaiser and his generals...only to find out that an armistice has been declared....

    Meanwhile, Superman (again, in his first year of publication) travels to a war-torn country and ends the war by kidnapping the leaders of the opposing sides (this is part of the aforementioned "Merchants of Death" storyline, so he ends the war by telling them that they're just fighting in order to make munitions makers rich)...

    Basically, Siegel and Shuster just took a tragic hero (Hugo Danner) and made him into a superhero (Superman).
  127. @The Z Blog
    This is something I've been writing about for a while. Audacious Epigone has done some posts on it too. The generation just coming into adulthood is significantly more "right-wing" than the Millennials. More important, they are culturally different. Their right-wingedness is a reaction to multiculturalism, not a revolt against the tax code.

    As far as the theory about the present hysteria being a WASP putsch, I'm not buying it. Hollywood has been run by Jews since forever. There are no WASP's to run an anti-corruption campaign. The better answer is that the smart money is leaving Hollywood. When the lion is done eating, the hyenas come in to feed on the carcass. Then the vultures.

    That does not bode well for the Democrats either. Their lurch toward being the black party will not end well for them or us.

    The generation just coming into adulthood is significantly more “right-wing” than the Millennials.

    I keep hearing this. I don’t see any evidence beyond wishful thinking.

    • Agree: L Woods
    • Replies: @anonguy


    The generation just coming into adulthood is significantly more “right-wing” than the Millennials.
     
    I keep hearing this. I don’t see any evidence beyond wishful thinking.
     
    Agree, it is just projection. Beyond that, for the kids growing up now, the left/right divisions and categorizations of issues of today are going to be history, not at all relevant to their lives. In case you haven't noticed, a good chunk of the true-blue right happily aligned with their archenemies against Trump and you can bet there are plenty more Trump-like category-destroying wreckers/creators coming down the pike from both sides of the dem-rep aisle.

    Things are just getting started. Trump's election was the beginning of a new era of politics in the USA and the world rather than a deviation from a norm to which everything will return.

    , @The Z Blog
    Now you can no longer say, "I don't see any evidence..."

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/08/gen-z-is-wests-last-great-hope.html

    You are welcome.
  128. @Jake
    The odds are greater that this is akin to one of Stalin's purges, which also fell per capita heaviest on Jews for the simple reason that Jews per capita were the most vicious, amoral, successful, and selfishly indulgent and untrustworthy of Bolsheviks.

    Of course, what the two possibilities share is that each was/is not a counter-revolution against an evil revolution but self-cleansing within the ranks of blood-thirsty successful revolutionaries and their heirs in order to slightly redirect its revolutionary furor.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    “Judaizing heresy” = Christendom? You contradict yourself.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I suspect he's a Trad Catholic taking a potshot at the Reformation.

    Of course, this assumption requires another, Israelite = Talmudist.

    "Modern Judaism" is Talmudism, but Talmudism was,to be fair, a heresy itself-writing down that which was to be handed down orally and in no other way-of another heresy, that of the Sadducees, a sect or subset of Israelite practice.

    As the late Paul W. Klipsch said, one heresy in a church is enough.

    Any reading of the New Testament without preconceptions-whether those of the Baltimore Catechism, the Book of Mormon, or the Scofield Reference Bible commentaries, all equally rancid-tells us one thing about this man, Jesus of Nazareth. Liar, lunatic, Lord-or legend-he despised the Sadducees. He railed against them in the strongest possible terms.

    The Talmud is an encyclopedic and recursive compilation of the opinions of men. Like the Popes or the Apostles of the LDS, some were decent men and some were the worst kind of reprobate. But they weren't God. They were basically lawyers, and they did what lawyers do.

    Talmudic thinking is like LISP source code, generally unfollowable by normal people. To run a society by its instruction will result in some bizarre contortions.
  129. @stillCARealist
    About the safe spaces: why are we eliminating women's bathrooms then? Talk about a safe space!

    Amidst all this clamoring over sexual harassment (jeez! this has been par for the course for decades thanks to Bill Clinton) you'll notice there's no talk of a return to modesty or conservative demeanor. There's nothing about traditional marriage and childbearing. You know who never faces sexual harassment? Homemakers. They hang with their kids and other moms and kids. Get back to me when someone mentions men as protectors/providers and women as nurturers/home builders.

    I’ve used up my Agree button thingies for the moment but – I agree completely.

  130. @Paleo Liberal
    Sad to say, way too much truth in what you said.

    Before Bernie Sanders ran for president, he was against the divisive identity politics. That worked very well in Vermont. Not as good getting the ethnic votes in presidential primaries

    My family has been Democratic since the beginning. I am very sorry to say the party is lost in identity politics. I only vote Democratic because I dislike the GOP more than the Dems. I understand people who dislike the GOP establishment but vote GOP because they hate the GOP less than the Democrats. Different side of the same coin.

    I only vote Democratic because I dislike the GOP more than the Dems.

    In short, you only are a Democrat because you vote Democrat.

    Shorter still, you remain a Democrat.

  131. @PiltdownMan
    The most striking thing about that Tablet magazine article is this



    COMMENTING CHARGES
    Daily rate: $2
    Monthly rate: $18
    Yearly rate: $180

     

    You really should follow my comment feed. (#79) 😉

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Months ahead and a better comment, too!

    Thanks for pointing it out. I hadn't seen that comment by you in October, which noticed the comment fee in Tablet long ago. Full credit to you, of course. I am now a humble follower.

    :)

  132. @Paleo Liberal
    I think the alt-right just took a major body blow.

    The GOP ran a classic bait-and-switch. Run as alt-right populists, govern as mainstream GOP oligarchs.

    2017 saw the fulfillment of every agenda of the Donor Class, and their well-paid puppets Ryan and McConnell. They got Johnson and Corker aboard with provisions in the tax bill that gave massive tax breaks to Johnson and Corker, and even bigger ones than Trump. Oh, and to all RE developers and golf course owners.

    Of course there will be a backlash. In a little over a year, we will probably have Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Schumer. Then, in a little over 3 years, another Open Borders Democrat will be President.

    Pity. I know Ralph Nader and Pat Buchhanon were hoping for a left-right populist coalition. Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election. Trump decided to freeze out Sanders and work with Ryan and McConnell instead.

    When Trump sold out the populist movement to become the leader of the GOP establishment, that was a major body blow to the alt-right. The second major body blow was Antifa. Now, instead of the left-wing working with the alt-right, the left-wing is trying to destroy the alt-right.

    Can the alt-right recover? Possibly, but it will be more difficult.

    Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election.

    Huh? Isn’t Bernie Sanders an open-borders socialist? Didn’t he pathetically wither when two BLM brats took over his rally?

    Why on earth would Trump want to team up with someone like that? Also, who are the left-wing populists? Questions, I’ve got ‘em.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    I'm pretty sure this was the same guy who was pushing Bernie as totally would have beat Trump.

    So, he's a committed TrueBeliver living in a fantasy world.
  133. @Paleo Liberal
    Sorry, but women can never be obsolete.

    As the saying goes, sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive.

    If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died.

    If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet.

    That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs.

    “Sorry, but women can never be obsolete.

    As the saying goes, sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive.”

    You clearly can’t read. What that poster clearly meant by saying that women will become obsolete is that women use their vaginas to manipulate men. With sex bots, they will no longer be able to do that. Reproduction has nothing to do it what the poster was saying. Men do stuff for women most of the time not because they want babies out of them, but because they want sex.

    “If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died.”

    The reverse is also true: if every man disappeared, the human race would end as well.

    “If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet.”

    What a stupid argument. Going by your argument, all women could die as long as we had enough human eggs in storage – those can be harvested too, you know?

    “That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs”

    Yes, and it is a cruel and unfair argument. Going by this stupid logic, then why don’t we send people with Down’s Syndrome to the front lines? After all, they have an even lower biological value than the average man. The reproductive value of people with Down’s Syndrome is extremely low. But we don’t send them to be blown to pieces because it is barbaric. The fact that men have a lower biological value should be 100% irrelevant when it comes to setting laws and jurisprudence. We either have equality before the law or we don’t. I despise chivalry, this pathetic white knighting that many men do that serves them no good.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Yes, and it is a cruel and unfair argument. Going by this stupid logic, then why don’t we send people with Down’s Syndrome to the front lines? After all, they have an even lower biological value than the average man. The reproductive value of people with Down’s Syndrome is extremely low. But we don’t send them to be blown to pieces because it is barbaric.
     
    If (through some bizarre circumstance) the mere sacrifice of a living human were the only way to save all of the rest of humanity, I would choose a person with Down's or a similar condition if no death row inmates, near-death terminally ill people or antifa members were available. But we do not send Down's syndrome people to the front lines for another reason: they don't make effective soldiers.
  134. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You really should follow my comment feed. (#79) ;)

    Months ahead and a better comment, too!

    Thanks for pointing it out. I hadn’t seen that comment by you in October, which noticed the comment fee in Tablet long ago. Full credit to you, of course. I am now a humble follower.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Thank you kindly. And no, I can’t take credit. Upthread, my vanity got the better of me!

    Coincidentally, on this page, syonredux (who is far more the historian than I) linked to an obscure personage (#41) I mentioned a while back. A great thing about iSteve is all the kinds of stuff many of us like-minded iStevers notice.

  135. @anonguy
    Thurber was terrific. Anyone who thinks that relations between the sexes differs much from era to era should read his stuff.

    Fables For Our Time is a nice introduction to his work.

    Please don’t call attention to James Thurber’s work in 2017.

    They’ll just destroy his memory by branding him a misogynist and fabricate some fake dirt about his personal life to discredit him.

    Thurber’s very much a private, secret pleasure now, in our age when humor by a man involving any references to women is verboten.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Ditto George MacDonald Fraser.
  136. @Uncle Remus
    Yes, the Judaizers since Oliver Cromwell have deformed or destroyed the remnants of the Christian
    order in Britain and here. Consider the rapine the Protector visited upon the Irish. Or, in this season, the abolition of Christas. Regicides after
    the Restoration of Charles II found haven in Connecticut and Massachusetts, the homeland of what
    we call the WASPS (a bit of a misnomer, as there were other sorts of British Protestants elsewhere
    in the American colonies).

    Yes, the Judaizers since Oliver Cromwell have deformed or destroyed the remnants of the Christian
    order

    Uncle Remus, was Martin Luther a Judaizer?

  137. @Dave Pinsen
    Yeungling (Anglicized from "Jüngling") is America's oldest brewer. It survived prohibition in part by making ice cream. It's still around and does monster business with little advertising.

    Yeungling (Anglicized from “Jüngling”) is America’s oldest brewer. It survived prohibition in part by making ice cream. It’s still around and does monster business with little advertising.

    I’m drinking a Yeungling Black & Tan as I type. Yeungling is one of America’s drinkable cheaper, mass market beers. Yeungling Black & Tan ( mixture of porter and lager ) is better than Yeungling lager.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Yeungling was the beer served along with pizza when my college's philosophy department hosted a British Aristotle expert.
  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @David Davenport
    WASP culture, being the product of a Judaizing heresy, always has been a viciously pro-Jewish political culture whose guns were always aimed at whatever was left of Christendom.

    "Judaizing heresy" = Christendom? You contradict yourself.

    I suspect he’s a Trad Catholic taking a potshot at the Reformation.

    Of course, this assumption requires another, Israelite = Talmudist.

    “Modern Judaism” is Talmudism, but Talmudism was,to be fair, a heresy itself-writing down that which was to be handed down orally and in no other way-of another heresy, that of the Sadducees, a sect or subset of Israelite practice.

    As the late Paul W. Klipsch said, one heresy in a church is enough.

    Any reading of the New Testament without preconceptions-whether those of the Baltimore Catechism, the Book of Mormon, or the Scofield Reference Bible commentaries, all equally rancid-tells us one thing about this man, Jesus of Nazareth. Liar, lunatic, Lord-or legend-he despised the Sadducees. He railed against them in the strongest possible terms.

    The Talmud is an encyclopedic and recursive compilation of the opinions of men. Like the Popes or the Apostles of the LDS, some were decent men and some were the worst kind of reprobate. But they weren’t God. They were basically lawyers, and they did what lawyers do.

    Talmudic thinking is like LISP source code, generally unfollowable by normal people. To run a society by its instruction will result in some bizarre contortions.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Your comment only makes sense (of sorts) if by Saducees you mean Pharisees.
  139. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Nick Diaz
    "Sorry, but women can never be obsolete.

    As the saying goes, sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive."

    You clearly can't read. What that poster clearly meant by saying that women will become obsolete is that women use their vaginas to manipulate men. With sex bots, they will no longer be able to do that. Reproduction has nothing to do it what the poster was saying. Men do stuff for women most of the time not because they want babies out of them, but because they want sex.

    "If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died."

    The reverse is also true: if every man disappeared, the human race would end as well.

    "If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet."

    What a stupid argument. Going by your argument, all women could die as long as we had enough human eggs in storage - those can be harvested too, you know?

    "That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs"

    Yes, and it is a cruel and unfair argument. Going by this stupid logic, then why don't we send people with Down's Syndrome to the front lines? After all, they have an even lower biological value than the average man. The reproductive value of people with Down's Syndrome is extremely low. But we don't send them to be blown to pieces because it is barbaric. The fact that men have a lower biological value should be 100% irrelevant when it comes to setting laws and jurisprudence. We either have equality before the law or we don't. I despise chivalry, this pathetic white knighting that many men do that serves them no good.

    Yes, and it is a cruel and unfair argument. Going by this stupid logic, then why don’t we send people with Down’s Syndrome to the front lines? After all, they have an even lower biological value than the average man. The reproductive value of people with Down’s Syndrome is extremely low. But we don’t send them to be blown to pieces because it is barbaric.

    If (through some bizarre circumstance) the mere sacrifice of a living human were the only way to save all of the rest of humanity, I would choose a person with Down’s or a similar condition if no death row inmates, near-death terminally ill people or antifa members were available. But we do not send Down’s syndrome people to the front lines for another reason: they don’t make effective soldiers.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    But we do not send Down’s syndrome people to the front lines for another reason: they don’t make effective soldiers.
     
    Agreed.

    But we do send women to the front lines even though they don't make effective soldiers either.
    , @Nick Diaz
    Cannon fodder do not need to be effective soldiers: they are there to die. That is the whole point of cannon fodder. They are there to make the enemy spend resources and ammunition by dying. That is why my example of using people with Down's Syndrome in the front lines was germaine.

    Also, sending prison inmates and such to the front lines has no relevance to my argument. When it comes to prison inmates, these are people that have committed crimes. They have done something morally reprehensible that might justify such punishment. don't think they should be punished this way, but this is besides the point.

    Your argument is not comparable to what I was discussing because I was discussing the issue of one gender having a higher legal status than another gender for no other reason than biology, something that is innate. There is no moral aspect here, unlike when it comes to sending prison inmates to the front lines.

    As for you wanting to send antifas to the front lines, remember that the other side would love to do the same to you. Those who sow spite reap hate.

    , @anonguy

    But we do not send Down’s syndrome people to the front lines for another reason: they don’t make effective soldiers.
     
    Exactly. Societies actually have a long history of sending their low functioning undesirables to die in wars, so it isn't some aversion to that. If Down's Syndrome guys were as effective soldiers as young, antisocial thugs, we would have been filling battalions with them, at least back in the days when cannon fodder was a common approach.
  140. @dfordoom

    The generation just coming into adulthood is significantly more “right-wing” than the Millennials.
     
    I keep hearing this. I don't see any evidence beyond wishful thinking.

    The generation just coming into adulthood is significantly more “right-wing” than the Millennials.

    I keep hearing this. I don’t see any evidence beyond wishful thinking.

    Agree, it is just projection. Beyond that, for the kids growing up now, the left/right divisions and categorizations of issues of today are going to be history, not at all relevant to their lives. In case you haven’t noticed, a good chunk of the true-blue right happily aligned with their archenemies against Trump and you can bet there are plenty more Trump-like category-destroying wreckers/creators coming down the pike from both sides of the dem-rep aisle.

    Things are just getting started. Trump’s election was the beginning of a new era of politics in the USA and the world rather than a deviation from a norm to which everything will return.

  141. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    Sorry, but women can never be obsolete.

    As the saying goes, sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive.

    If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died.

    If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet.

    That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs.

    If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died.

    If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet.

    That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs.

    It was one reason, another being the sense of decency of men not wanting to see women come to a bad end. And also that generally speaking, hazardous jobs were even more hazardous for a woman than they would be for a man. Most were also physically taxing.

    By standards of old, outside combat there aren’t that many dangerous jobs any more, at least not in the First World. Automation, remote control, and modern safety equipment have made most dangerous jobs in civilian life safe.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Automation, remote control, and modern safety equipment have made most dangerous jobs in civilian life safe.
     
    They've made factory jobs safer, not safe. Those few factory jobs that still exist.

    There are still plenty of dirty dangerous outdoor jobs that men do, and without men to do those jobs society would collapse within days. Strangely enough women aren't complaining about being under-represented in those jobs because they're hard work and they're not glamorous and you get dirty.

    Women do want jobs in the military because it is glamorous and there are lots and lots of extra benefits. And most jobs in the military are not the least bit dangerous. And they know that even if they're supposedly front line troops when the shooting starts they won't actually have to face the bullets because they'll suddenly discover that they're pregnant. Of course they'll still expect to collect all the benefits.
  142. @ChrisZ
    The story (though murky) is that Wiley DID sue, or threatened to. But for some reason he had neglected to secure legal rights to Gladiator, so he didn’t pursue the matter. A few people have tried to dig up documentation—attorney’s letters etc.—but have come up empty.

    In my boyhood, accounts of Superman’s publishing origins would sometimes mention Gladiator in an offhand way, as if there was at most a Platonic resemblance between Clark Kent and Hugo Danner. In the last 20 years, though, the authorized accounts of Superman’s creation are scrubbed of any mention of Wiley. Gladiator itself was out of print for years.

    I finally stumbled on an e-text within the last decade, and was actually shocked at how obvious the “borrowing” was—not just in the general theme of a solitary man with inhuman strength, but in many lesser details.

    Here’s one you’ll appreciate, Syon: the standard story told about Superman’s creation, of a humid night where a man dreams of all the strongmen of history rolled into one, is actually a dramatic episode in Wiley’s novel.

    (No offense intended here to the achievement of Jerry Siegel, who made something enduring out of Wiley’s one-shot idea. He was a creator of rare imagination himself, and it’s sad that control and profit from Superman were snatched from him.)

    I finally stumbled on an e-text within the last decade, and was actually shocked at how obvious the “borrowing” was—not just in the general theme of a solitary man with inhuman strength, but in many lesser details.

    Yeah, it is kinda amazing how many plot points were lifted from the novel:

    Cleaning up Washington: Searching for a way to use his powers for public good, Hugo Danner goes to Washington and drives out a corrupt lobbyist. Of course, this doesn’t change anything, because cleaning up Washington is a Sisyphean (or should that be Augean?) task. In Superman’s first year of publication, he goes to Washington and cleans up the town by taking out both the corrupt lobbyist and the “Merchants of Death” (arms dealers) who are backing him.

    Football is a violent game: While in college, Hugo becomes a gridiron star…until he gets a tad carried away and accidentally kills an opposing player….Meanwhile, Superman (again, in his first year of stories) goes undercover as a college football star and breaks-up a gang of crooked gamblers who are fixing games….

    War, what is it good for: Hugo goes off to fight in the Great War (where he learns that he is invulnerable to bullets and that only the largest artillery shells are capable of hurting him) but finds only horror and death. Deciding to end the war, he decides that he’ll invade Berlin single-handed and kill the Kaiser and his generals…only to find out that an armistice has been declared….

    Meanwhile, Superman (again, in his first year of publication) travels to a war-torn country and ends the war by kidnapping the leaders of the opposing sides (this is part of the aforementioned “Merchants of Death” storyline, so he ends the war by telling them that they’re just fighting in order to make munitions makers rich)…

    Basically, Siegel and Shuster just took a tragic hero (Hugo Danner) and made him into a superhero (Superman).

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The idea that "war is a racket" was the default reaction to WWI and the most popular characterization of war until the ratcheting up of the Evil Hitler myth. A lot of the stories from WWII are literally the same stories from WWI with the difference that nobody doubts them. A lot of these examples are too broad and too widely popular to be plagiarism, the strongest argument is the central character stuff.
    , @ChrisZ
    Well observed, Syon. I hesitate to take this thread in a direction that’s already far afield from its origin; but I hope we’ll have occasion to touch on this topic in the future.

    Lately I’ve felt that one of the pities of this site is its anonymous character. It’s completely necessary, of course; but a it comes at a cost when you’re encountering people with a common cluster of interests. Perhaps there’s a secret location where iSteve readers could gather unobserved? One of those windswept Scottish golf courses? Or the Fortress of Solitude?

    Anyway, Merry Christmas to my fellow commenters.
  143. @PiltdownMan
    Months ahead and a better comment, too!

    Thanks for pointing it out. I hadn't seen that comment by you in October, which noticed the comment fee in Tablet long ago. Full credit to you, of course. I am now a humble follower.

    :)

    Thank you kindly. And no, I can’t take credit. Upthread, my vanity got the better of me!

    Coincidentally, on this page, syonredux (who is far more the historian than I) linked to an obscure personage (#41) I mentioned a while back. A great thing about iSteve is all the kinds of stuff many of us like-minded iStevers notice.

  144. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Is food cost plus?
    Do foods sold in grocery stores live or die depending on shelf placement?
    Does kosher certification streamline the distribution and placement process?
    Can gentiles certify food as kosher?

    There are various certifying authorities for what is and isn’t kosher, all of necessity run by Jews who claim to be the “most 100 percent standard tech” Jews there are (to mix religious metaphors). The certifiers are rabbis, but the company need not be owned by Jews.

    This is a voluntary thing on the part of food companies and I have no problem with it particularly, because they make a decision to do it or not based on the downside vs. the upside. Jews do not and AFAIK have never been accused of terrorizing or intimidating businesses that are not kosher, they just don’t buy those products. And many non Jews see kosher certification as a plus as it does require some attention to detail and prohibit certain ingredients you might not want, at least in certain products, anyway.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Oh so they just sort of randomly voluntarily do it because they had a wild hair up their bottom line, and there are no distribution downsides to a food company that says no. Yeah, that totally sounds like how that works in real life.
    , @Bill P
    If I ran a business producing food I'd definitely consider paying the rabbi if it were to my advantage. However, it wouldn't be a first priority.

    Say I wanted to start a bakery selling Eastern European-style rye bread, which is good, healthy stuff, and much loved by Jews. Jews may be only 2% of the general population, but they'd probably be more like 6% of the potential customers for this kind of product. And if you add the part-Jewish, married to Jewish and not Jewish but like kosher people the percentage of people who would be more likely to buy it with kosher certification might rise to 15% or more. In this case, it's worth it to get the kosher certification.

    However, if I were selling pork sausage of course I wouldn't let it bother me that Jews won't certify it.

    I used to feel kind of annoyed to see the Jewish mark on foods, but if you think about it from a business perspective it's nothing to be bothered about. As for Jewish dietary restrictions, it isn't my problem. Their loss, I'd say. Who in their right mind would pass up dungeness crab, Alaskan scallops, slow cooked pork ribs, prosciutto or clam chowder? If I were a Jew, I'd probably petition my rabbi to change the rules.
  145. @Paleo Liberal
    There are some conspiracy theorists who think there is a Kosher tax on food.
    The "proof" is the Kosher certification on some foods.

    Spoiler Alert:

    There IS no Kosher tax on food. Some food companies pay a small amount of money to a Rabbi to have the Rabbi certify the food is Kosher. In return, they get those Jews who keep Kosher, as well as some Muslims who keep Halal, as customers.

    True story -- this was told to me by the owner of a Kosher bakery, and I confirmed with some Jews that what he said is completely compatible with Kosher rules.

    There is one and only one Kosher bakery in Madison, Wisconsin. The owner is a Christian. This is the ONLY Kosher bakery between Milwaukee and the Twin Cities. That bakery can ONLY stay in business because the owner is a Christian. If the owner were a Jew, the business would close.

    The largest group of customers for the bakery are Muslims who keep Halal. They worship on Friday, and get their Kosher doughnuts on Saturday. Saturday is the busiest day of the week for this bakery. The second busiest day is Sunday, when the clientele is mostly Jewish. Since the doughnuts are quite tasty, he gets some Christians, atheists, etc. as customers as well, but these groups combined are the third largest group.

    If the business were run by a Jew, Kosher laws say it would have to close on Saturday. If it closed on Saturday, the place would go out of business, since that is their busiest day. Kosher rules say a Shabbot Goy is permitted to run the place on Saturday.

    Strange as it may seem, Kosher laws give this particular Christian a big advantage over Jews.

    Interesting , but this is not a Shabbat Goy. A Shabbat Goy is a Gentile who is doing something prohibited to a Jew for the Jew on Shabbat. There is no prohibition for a Gentile to run his business on the Shabbat. It would be prohibited though for the Jew to use donuts baked on the Shabbat until such time after Shabbat that they could have been baked after Shabbat.

  146. @PiltdownMan
    Please don't call attention to James Thurber's work in 2017.

    They'll just destroy his memory by branding him a misogynist and fabricate some fake dirt about his personal life to discredit him.

    Thurber's very much a private, secret pleasure now, in our age when humor by a man involving any references to women is verboten.

    Ditto George MacDonald Fraser.

  147. @Paleo Liberal
    Stalin tended to purge anyone who got powerful enough to frighten him, loyal or otherwise.

    The current Kim of the Norks does the same thing. Even family members.

    One of the many tales coming out of the old USSR, completely unsubstantiated, is that Stalin's aides poisoned him. Partly because they were concerned about being purged, but also because he seemed hell-bent on starting a nuclear war with the US. In the meantime, Stalin had built concentration camps for the Jews, and was about to implement his Final Solution when he died.

    It is amazing how many close calls we had with nuclear war. One of the most interesting stories is when the US discovered that there had been bugs for many years in the US Embassy in Moscow. The Soviets were hearing all sorts of highly secret conversations.

    A task force was put together to assess the damage done to the US by the bugs. The task force concluded that the bugs may have saved the world from nuclear war. Thing is, the Soviets at the time were scared of a first strike by the US, the way Hitler did a first strike, and were listening in for warnings to the Embassy staff to get the hell out of Dodge. Since the warnings never came, the Russians knew we weren't planning on a first strike.

    That’s true, but a lot of not-so-powerful people were purged as well, such as Solomon Levit and Izrail Agol, who were guilty of the characteristically Jewish failing of getting handsy with the Shiksas conducting scientific research.

  148. @syonredux

    I finally stumbled on an e-text within the last decade, and was actually shocked at how obvious the “borrowing” was—not just in the general theme of a solitary man with inhuman strength, but in many lesser details.
     
    Yeah, it is kinda amazing how many plot points were lifted from the novel:

    Cleaning up Washington: Searching for a way to use his powers for public good, Hugo Danner goes to Washington and drives out a corrupt lobbyist. Of course, this doesn't change anything, because cleaning up Washington is a Sisyphean (or should that be Augean?) task. In Superman's first year of publication, he goes to Washington and cleans up the town by taking out both the corrupt lobbyist and the "Merchants of Death" (arms dealers) who are backing him.

    Football is a violent game: While in college, Hugo becomes a gridiron star...until he gets a tad carried away and accidentally kills an opposing player....Meanwhile, Superman (again, in his first year of stories) goes undercover as a college football star and breaks-up a gang of crooked gamblers who are fixing games....

    War, what is it good for: Hugo goes off to fight in the Great War (where he learns that he is invulnerable to bullets and that only the largest artillery shells are capable of hurting him) but finds only horror and death. Deciding to end the war, he decides that he'll invade Berlin single-handed and kill the Kaiser and his generals...only to find out that an armistice has been declared....

    Meanwhile, Superman (again, in his first year of publication) travels to a war-torn country and ends the war by kidnapping the leaders of the opposing sides (this is part of the aforementioned "Merchants of Death" storyline, so he ends the war by telling them that they're just fighting in order to make munitions makers rich)...

    Basically, Siegel and Shuster just took a tragic hero (Hugo Danner) and made him into a superhero (Superman).

    The idea that “war is a racket” was the default reaction to WWI and the most popular characterization of war until the ratcheting up of the Evil Hitler myth. A lot of the stories from WWII are literally the same stories from WWI with the difference that nobody doubts them. A lot of these examples are too broad and too widely popular to be plagiarism, the strongest argument is the central character stuff.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    A lot of these examples are too broad and too widely popular to be plagiarism,
     
    Dunno. The thing that struck me is how all of the possibly Wylie-influenced plot- points occur in the first year of publication.....

    the strongest argument is the central character stuff.
     
    Absolutely. The possibly lifted story-points are just icing on the cake.
  149. @Anonymous
    I suspect he's a Trad Catholic taking a potshot at the Reformation.

    Of course, this assumption requires another, Israelite = Talmudist.

    "Modern Judaism" is Talmudism, but Talmudism was,to be fair, a heresy itself-writing down that which was to be handed down orally and in no other way-of another heresy, that of the Sadducees, a sect or subset of Israelite practice.

    As the late Paul W. Klipsch said, one heresy in a church is enough.

    Any reading of the New Testament without preconceptions-whether those of the Baltimore Catechism, the Book of Mormon, or the Scofield Reference Bible commentaries, all equally rancid-tells us one thing about this man, Jesus of Nazareth. Liar, lunatic, Lord-or legend-he despised the Sadducees. He railed against them in the strongest possible terms.

    The Talmud is an encyclopedic and recursive compilation of the opinions of men. Like the Popes or the Apostles of the LDS, some were decent men and some were the worst kind of reprobate. But they weren't God. They were basically lawyers, and they did what lawyers do.

    Talmudic thinking is like LISP source code, generally unfollowable by normal people. To run a society by its instruction will result in some bizarre contortions.

    Your comment only makes sense (of sorts) if by Saducees you mean Pharisees.

  150. @Anonymous

    Yes, and it is a cruel and unfair argument. Going by this stupid logic, then why don’t we send people with Down’s Syndrome to the front lines? After all, they have an even lower biological value than the average man. The reproductive value of people with Down’s Syndrome is extremely low. But we don’t send them to be blown to pieces because it is barbaric.
     
    If (through some bizarre circumstance) the mere sacrifice of a living human were the only way to save all of the rest of humanity, I would choose a person with Down's or a similar condition if no death row inmates, near-death terminally ill people or antifa members were available. But we do not send Down's syndrome people to the front lines for another reason: they don't make effective soldiers.

    But we do not send Down’s syndrome people to the front lines for another reason: they don’t make effective soldiers.

    Agreed.

    But we do send women to the front lines even though they don’t make effective soldiers either.

  151. @ChrisZ
    Wiley’s early novel, Gladiator, was the first science fiction novel about a superhuman being, and was the inspiration for Superman (although that fact, pretty obvious when you read the novel, is routinely denied by the owners of the comic book character).

    I mention it because mid-20th-century sci fi is a recurring topic in this forum. And because I’m continually amazed how all my personal interests eventually come up here.

    Are you also into golf courses architecture?

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Ha! But no, golf course architecture is something I never even thought about until I started frequenting iSteve.

    Turns out it really is interesting, though, right?

  152. @David Davenport
    Yeungling (Anglicized from “Jüngling”) is America’s oldest brewer. It survived prohibition in part by making ice cream. It’s still around and does monster business with little advertising.

    I'm drinking a Yeungling Black & Tan as I type. Yeungling is one of America's drinkable cheaper, mass market beers. Yeungling Black & Tan ( mixture of porter and lager ) is better than Yeungling lager.

    Yeungling was the beer served along with pizza when my college’s philosophy department hosted a British Aristotle expert.

  153. @Anonymous

    If the entire female population of the planet disappeared. the human race would end when the last man died.

    If the entire male population of the planet disappeared, women would go to sperm banks and repopulate the planet.

    That was the argument for keeping women out of combat and dangerous jobs.
     
    It was one reason, another being the sense of decency of men not wanting to see women come to a bad end. And also that generally speaking, hazardous jobs were even more hazardous for a woman than they would be for a man. Most were also physically taxing.

    By standards of old, outside combat there aren't that many dangerous jobs any more, at least not in the First World. Automation, remote control, and modern safety equipment have made most dangerous jobs in civilian life safe.

    Automation, remote control, and modern safety equipment have made most dangerous jobs in civilian life safe.

    They’ve made factory jobs safer, not safe. Those few factory jobs that still exist.

    There are still plenty of dirty dangerous outdoor jobs that men do, and without men to do those jobs society would collapse within days. Strangely enough women aren’t complaining about being under-represented in those jobs because they’re hard work and they’re not glamorous and you get dirty.

    Women do want jobs in the military because it is glamorous and there are lots and lots of extra benefits. And most jobs in the military are not the least bit dangerous. And they know that even if they’re supposedly front line troops when the shooting starts they won’t actually have to face the bullets because they’ll suddenly discover that they’re pregnant. Of course they’ll still expect to collect all the benefits.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    There are still plenty of dirty dangerous outdoor jobs that men do, and without men to do those jobs society would collapse within days..
     
    What jobs would those be, not just the dirty/dangerous exclusively male ones, but the dirty dangerous exclusively male occupations that left undone by men would undo society within days? I'm genuinely curious.
  154. @Pseudonymically Handled
    Anyone else notice how lazy iSteve has been getting lately? Reposting his commentator's comments, quoting old articles.

    Hell, Steve just wrote a post with 500 words, 396 of which were someone else's.

    Please send money! His Ctrl and V keys are getting worn out and he needs a new keyboard!

    I would be honored if Steve turned one of my comments into a post.

  155. @OilcanFloyd
    Anti-Semitism on the part of Protestants because some Jewish men are targeted by feminists for being sexual predators? At this point, feminism is a heavily Jewish movement, so I don't see the anti-Jewish angle. Maybe Jewish men just handle power over non-Jewish women about as well as black men do?

    If Protestants wanted to go anti-Semitic, they could target AIPAC, pandering to Israel, Wall Street, credit card usury that is a far bigger problem than taxation, Bernie Madoff-type swindlers, the MSM, NPR, the kosher tax on food, etc. I guess Hollywood could be a start, but I doubt there is an anti-Semitic backlash there.

    If Protestants wanted to go anti-Semitic, they could target … credit card usury that is a far bigger problem than taxation

    Looking at the C-suites of the big 3 credit card companies, the Tribe appears to be batting 0 for 12 at Visa, 0 for 10 at Mastercard and 2 for 13* at American Express.

    It may well be that “credit card usury is a far bigger problem than taxation” but Da Jooz don’t seem to have much to do with it.

    [MORE]

    *General Counsel Laureen Seeger and Global Corporate Payments Pres. Susan Sobbott; CIO Marc Gordon could be a Jewish name but a family member’s obituary confirms he isn’t.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    You're right, banks issue credit cards, and Jews have absolutely nothing to do with banking and finance.
  156. @Anonymous

    Yes, and it is a cruel and unfair argument. Going by this stupid logic, then why don’t we send people with Down’s Syndrome to the front lines? After all, they have an even lower biological value than the average man. The reproductive value of people with Down’s Syndrome is extremely low. But we don’t send them to be blown to pieces because it is barbaric.
     
    If (through some bizarre circumstance) the mere sacrifice of a living human were the only way to save all of the rest of humanity, I would choose a person with Down's or a similar condition if no death row inmates, near-death terminally ill people or antifa members were available. But we do not send Down's syndrome people to the front lines for another reason: they don't make effective soldiers.

    Cannon fodder do not need to be effective soldiers: they are there to die. That is the whole point of cannon fodder. They are there to make the enemy spend resources and ammunition by dying. That is why my example of using people with Down’s Syndrome in the front lines was germaine.

    Also, sending prison inmates and such to the front lines has no relevance to my argument. When it comes to prison inmates, these are people that have committed crimes. They have done something morally reprehensible that might justify such punishment. don’t think they should be punished this way, but this is besides the point.

    Your argument is not comparable to what I was discussing because I was discussing the issue of one gender having a higher legal status than another gender for no other reason than biology, something that is innate. There is no moral aspect here, unlike when it comes to sending prison inmates to the front lines.

    As for you wanting to send antifas to the front lines, remember that the other side would love to do the same to you. Those who sow spite reap hate.

  157. @syonredux

    I’m reading David Grann’s Killers of the Flower Moon, about the Osage murders and the beginnings of the modern FBI in the ’20s. He makes the point that Hoover’s FBI was also a progressive cause: nationalization, standardization, and professionalization of police work. Of course, our historical illiteracy and presentism cause most to lump Hoover in with the category of bad old right-wingers.
     
    I always like to point out to SJWs that Hoover was opposed to re-locating West Coast Japanese during WW2:

    Hoover played a major role—though largely in the background—in the conflict between the Justice Department and War Department/army over the mass exclusion of Japanese Americans from the West Coast. After Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox made the inflammatory statements about fifth column work in Hawai'i in the days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Hoover contradicted Knox, stating unequivocally that there had been no such sabotage. Though Hoover's statement was withheld for a time, it was made public after the Tolan Committee hearings. Hoover later reported to Attorney General Francis Biddle that the Western Defense Command's intelligence capabilities were marred by "[h]ysteria and lack of judgment."[1] On February 3, 1942 Hoover sent Biddle his assessment of the push for mass removal: "The necessity for mass evacuation is based primarily upon public and political pressure rather than on factual data."[2] Though he didn't necessarily believe all Japanese Americans were loyal, he did believe that there was no need for mass exclusion, especially given the FBI's prior arrest of those on the custodial detention list. Hoover had read—and largely concurred with—Kenneth Ringle's January 26, 1942 report and Ringle's and Curtis Munson's earlier recommendations (see Munson Report). Despite his presence at key meetings with the War Department and the esteem that the President held him in, Executive Order 9066 was signed and mass exclusion took place.
     

    syondrex:

    Thank you for supply details I was unaware of about Hoover’s exemplary role in trying to stop the relocation of West Coast Japanese-Americans in WW II.

    Among the few other public officials opposed to relocation were Senator Robert Taft.

    The chief agitator for West Coast relocation was California Attorney General Earl Warren who later became Governor and then seamlessly morphed into a liberal demigod as Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court.

  158. @Jim Don Bob
    The mother of a friend of mine died recently age 90. She was a lifelong teetotaler. I asked her why one time, and she said it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week.

    she said it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week.

    And, 100 years later, the state hardest-hit by opioids.

    Not to be implying anything crazy, like that HBD exists.

  159. @kaganovitch
    " the kosher tax on food"

    What on earth are you talking about? What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?

    What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?

    You can look at it as a racket.

    http://www.ok.org/about/news-room/calling-it-kosher-how-to-and-why/
    None of the certifying agencies will disclose what the charge is or what gross revenues are, nor are corporations anxious to make their own payments public.

    Rabbi Levy, observed, however, that the average annual cost to a concern for kosher inspections is about $1,000, with a range from $250 for “mom-and-pop” operations to $40,000 for a multi-plant corporation. All charges, he said, are keyed to the frequency of inspection, which could be on a continuous, daily, weekly, monthly or quarterly basis.

    Kosher conundrum: If water doesn’t need certification, why have the symbol?
    http://www.jns.org/latest-articles/2015/2/27/kosher-conundrum-if-water-doesnt-need-certification-why-have-the-symbol-1#.Wjy81COZPMU=

    And in Israel

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.575580
    Costs for services related to kashrut start with fixed annual payments. A small restaurant with up to 20 seats pays NIS 517 shekels ($147), a medium-sized establishment seating up to 50 people pays NIS 743, and larger ones pay NIS 1,356. Small hotels with up to 70 rooms pay NIS 3,261 a year and large ones with over 250 rooms pay NIS 12,295.

    But the annual fee to the local rabbinate constitutes just a small part of the cost for certification. Most of the expense is in the form of monthly payments to kashrut inspectors acting on behalf of the certifying body who, according to the rabbinate’s instructions, are directly employed by the business.

  160. @kihowi
    Being interested in old comedy is enlightening about this subject. In 1950s joke books, an significant percentage will be about henpecked men and termagant wives or men who can't stand their wives and want to get rid of them.

    Three of them became famous chestnuts:

    My wife, she's gone to the Carribean...
    Jamaica?
    No, she went of her own accord!

    Who was that lady I saw you with last night?
    That was no lady, that was my wife!

    Take my wife...please.

    Going further back, for example the famous 18th century Joe Miller's Jests ("the wit's vade-mecum"), it's the same.

    Then suddenly somewhere around the 1980s, all that went away. Bad marriages didn't; men just decided they shouldn't discuss it any more.

    My father referred to my mother as “She Who Must Be Obeyed” or “the Dreadnought”. He loved reenacting the domestic scenes from W. C. Fields’ movies.

    My mother was not amused.

  161. @Anonymous

    Yes, and it is a cruel and unfair argument. Going by this stupid logic, then why don’t we send people with Down’s Syndrome to the front lines? After all, they have an even lower biological value than the average man. The reproductive value of people with Down’s Syndrome is extremely low. But we don’t send them to be blown to pieces because it is barbaric.
     
    If (through some bizarre circumstance) the mere sacrifice of a living human were the only way to save all of the rest of humanity, I would choose a person with Down's or a similar condition if no death row inmates, near-death terminally ill people or antifa members were available. But we do not send Down's syndrome people to the front lines for another reason: they don't make effective soldiers.

    But we do not send Down’s syndrome people to the front lines for another reason: they don’t make effective soldiers.

    Exactly. Societies actually have a long history of sending their low functioning undesirables to die in wars, so it isn’t some aversion to that. If Down’s Syndrome guys were as effective soldiers as young, antisocial thugs, we would have been filling battalions with them, at least back in the days when cannon fodder was a common approach.

  162. @dfordoom

    Automation, remote control, and modern safety equipment have made most dangerous jobs in civilian life safe.
     
    They've made factory jobs safer, not safe. Those few factory jobs that still exist.

    There are still plenty of dirty dangerous outdoor jobs that men do, and without men to do those jobs society would collapse within days. Strangely enough women aren't complaining about being under-represented in those jobs because they're hard work and they're not glamorous and you get dirty.

    Women do want jobs in the military because it is glamorous and there are lots and lots of extra benefits. And most jobs in the military are not the least bit dangerous. And they know that even if they're supposedly front line troops when the shooting starts they won't actually have to face the bullets because they'll suddenly discover that they're pregnant. Of course they'll still expect to collect all the benefits.

    There are still plenty of dirty dangerous outdoor jobs that men do, and without men to do those jobs society would collapse within days..

    What jobs would those be, not just the dirty/dangerous exclusively male ones, but the dirty dangerous exclusively male occupations that left undone by men would undo society within days? I’m genuinely curious.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "What jobs would those be, not just the dirty/dangerous exclusively male ones, but the dirty dangerous exclusively male occupations that left undone by men would undo society within days? I’m genuinely curious."

    1. Electrical line workers. Without regular maintenance, goodbye civilization. Almost all electrical line workers are male.

    2. Oil extraction and refining. Almost all male. If men disappeared, goodbye modern travel. And this would happen within a few days. New England would also freeze in the winter.

    3. Nuclear power plant operators. Without men, battery backups would fail within just a few days, meaning dozens of Chernobyls just in the US alone.

    4. Modern air travel - most maintenance is done by men, most of the pilots are men.

    I could go on all day with this. If men disappeared, civilization would basically end. Don't get me wrong, I'm no woman hater. I just think it's wrong that we've prioritized society around a group of people who do comparatively so little for the maintenance of our society.
    , @stillCARealist
    Well, plumbing for one. without waste removal and clean water we all get sick in a few weeks and lots of us weaker ones die.

    Electricity for another. Is it women making sure the power lines are working and reliable? I've never seen one in that capacity.

    Nearly all the outdoor essential jobs are done by men. Even mowing the grass at the parks and cleaning the bathrooms. I'm sure there are women somewhere doing those jobs, but I've never seen it.

    Oh, and the truck driving that delivers all the food to the stores and restaurants. Those jobs are mostly men too. I just did a payroll for a local trucking company, in fact, I've done them for years. They've never had a female driver.
    , @dfordoom

    What jobs would those be, not just the dirty/dangerous exclusively male ones, but the dirty dangerous exclusively male occupations that left undone by men would undo society within days? I’m genuinely curious.
     
    Apart from the long lists provided by other commenters there are a few more.

    Commercial fishing. Incredibly dangerous. Pretty much exclusively male. Without commercial fishermen there are going to be a lot of empty shelves in the supermarket.

    Farming. Most of the hard dangerous work is done by men. And it's a very dangerous job.
  163. @Anonymous
    There are various certifying authorities for what is and isn't kosher, all of necessity run by Jews who claim to be the "most 100 percent standard tech" Jews there are (to mix religious metaphors). The certifiers are rabbis, but the company need not be owned by Jews.

    This is a voluntary thing on the part of food companies and I have no problem with it particularly, because they make a decision to do it or not based on the downside vs. the upside. Jews do not and AFAIK have never been accused of terrorizing or intimidating businesses that are not kosher, they just don't buy those products. And many non Jews see kosher certification as a plus as it does require some attention to detail and prohibit certain ingredients you might not want, at least in certain products, anyway.

    Oh so they just sort of randomly voluntarily do it because they had a wild hair up their bottom line, and there are no distribution downsides to a food company that says no. Yeah, that totally sounds like how that works in real life.

  164. @Boethiuss

    Cause Trump has the goods. Why do you think he doesn’t want Ryan to retire? Cause he has other things to do than take whoever replaces Ryan as Speaker to the woodshed with a 4×4.

    Yes, the Big Brains around here who can’t get anything right think Trump can’t tie his shoes without help, but it’s absolutely amazing how Congress’ attitude has changed in the time since Weinstein was outed.
     
    ~facepalm~

    You gotta be kiddin' me, like the only reason why Paul Ryan would bust his butt to get a tax cut through the House is because Trump's got dirt on him.

    This is not an argument, nor an accurate recitation of the point being made.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    This is not an argument, nor an accurate recitation of the point being made.
     
    Oh I think it is. Specifically, the idea that Trump has Weinstein-like dirt on Congress is barely possible I suppose, but not very credible.

    What we do know, both from the Roy Moore debacle and the tax bill is that the Mitch McConnell types within the GOP, especially Mitch himself, can actually make the trains run on time, politically speaking, whereas the alt-right is doing well if they can manage to eat lunch without wearing a helmet.
  165. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Bernie Sanders offered a left-right populist coalition to Trump after the election.
     
    Huh? Isn’t Bernie Sanders an open-borders socialist? Didn’t he pathetically wither when two BLM brats took over his rally?

    Why on earth would Trump want to team up with someone like that? Also, who are the left-wing populists? Questions, I’ve got ‘em.

    I’m pretty sure this was the same guy who was pushing Bernie as totally would have beat Trump.

    So, he’s a committed TrueBeliver living in a fantasy world.

    • Replies: @Anon
    In all fairness, he probably would have. Trump got really lucky in getting Hillary as an opponent. He also did himself a big favor by pretending to be a populist. I could see America voting for a populist white guy like Sanders in a "best of the available lot" scenario. Trump has very high negatives and is extremely polarizing, just like Hillary. Sanders? Not so much.
  166. @BB753
    Are you also into golf courses architecture?

    Ha! But no, golf course architecture is something I never even thought about until I started frequenting iSteve.

    Turns out it really is interesting, though, right?

    • Replies: @BB753
    It's certainly quaint.
  167. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonguy

    There are still plenty of dirty dangerous outdoor jobs that men do, and without men to do those jobs society would collapse within days..
     
    What jobs would those be, not just the dirty/dangerous exclusively male ones, but the dirty dangerous exclusively male occupations that left undone by men would undo society within days? I'm genuinely curious.

    “What jobs would those be, not just the dirty/dangerous exclusively male ones, but the dirty dangerous exclusively male occupations that left undone by men would undo society within days? I’m genuinely curious.”

    1. Electrical line workers. Without regular maintenance, goodbye civilization. Almost all electrical line workers are male.

    2. Oil extraction and refining. Almost all male. If men disappeared, goodbye modern travel. And this would happen within a few days. New England would also freeze in the winter.

    3. Nuclear power plant operators. Without men, battery backups would fail within just a few days, meaning dozens of Chernobyls just in the US alone.

    4. Modern air travel – most maintenance is done by men, most of the pilots are men.

    I could go on all day with this. If men disappeared, civilization would basically end. Don’t get me wrong, I’m no woman hater. I just think it’s wrong that we’ve prioritized society around a group of people who do comparatively so little for the maintenance of our society.

  168. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I'm pretty sure this was the same guy who was pushing Bernie as totally would have beat Trump.

    So, he's a committed TrueBeliver living in a fantasy world.

    In all fairness, he probably would have. Trump got really lucky in getting Hillary as an opponent. He also did himself a big favor by pretending to be a populist. I could see America voting for a populist white guy like Sanders in a “best of the available lot” scenario. Trump has very high negatives and is extremely polarizing, just like Hillary. Sanders? Not so much.

  169. @dfordoom

    The generation just coming into adulthood is significantly more “right-wing” than the Millennials.
     
    I keep hearing this. I don't see any evidence beyond wishful thinking.

    Now you can no longer say, “I don’t see any evidence…”

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/08/gen-z-is-wests-last-great-hope.html

    You are welcome.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Now you can no longer say, “I don’t see any evidence…”
     
    There are a couple of things I'd note here. On economic issues Trump was well to the left of Clinton.
    Clinton was perceived (correctly) as the candidate of the bankers and the candidate supporting stuff like free trade. Trump was perceived as the candidate more likely to support a return to protectionism. He was also perceived as the candidate more likely to defend working-class interests, or at least more likely to defend the interests of the non-elites against the elites. So the support for Trump among the young could be interpreted as a shift to the left (which in my view would be a good thing if it were true).

    Secondly Clinton was perceived as being amazingly corrupt while Trump was perceived to be essentially reasonably honest. Young people tend to be idealistic so naturally they're going to prefer the candidate who appears to be less corrupt.

    All of this is likely to be very bad news indeed for the GOP, which is perceived as being the party that really really hates working-class and poor people. No-one today is silly enough to believe that the Democrats actually care about such people but I think it's fair to say that the GOP is seen as the party most likely to actively (and gleefully) make life miserable for the have-nots.

    It would have been really interesting to see a comparison of support for Trump vs support for Sanders. My instincts tell me that Gen Z would have voted overwhelmingly for Sanders.

    It also depends on what you mean by conservative. Do you mean economically conservative or socially conservative? If you mean the former then I suspect that Gen Z leans markedly leftwards. If you mean the latter then I fear that Gen Z is likely to lean very hard left indeed.
  170. @syonredux

    I finally stumbled on an e-text within the last decade, and was actually shocked at how obvious the “borrowing” was—not just in the general theme of a solitary man with inhuman strength, but in many lesser details.
     
    Yeah, it is kinda amazing how many plot points were lifted from the novel:

    Cleaning up Washington: Searching for a way to use his powers for public good, Hugo Danner goes to Washington and drives out a corrupt lobbyist. Of course, this doesn't change anything, because cleaning up Washington is a Sisyphean (or should that be Augean?) task. In Superman's first year of publication, he goes to Washington and cleans up the town by taking out both the corrupt lobbyist and the "Merchants of Death" (arms dealers) who are backing him.

    Football is a violent game: While in college, Hugo becomes a gridiron star...until he gets a tad carried away and accidentally kills an opposing player....Meanwhile, Superman (again, in his first year of stories) goes undercover as a college football star and breaks-up a gang of crooked gamblers who are fixing games....

    War, what is it good for: Hugo goes off to fight in the Great War (where he learns that he is invulnerable to bullets and that only the largest artillery shells are capable of hurting him) but finds only horror and death. Deciding to end the war, he decides that he'll invade Berlin single-handed and kill the Kaiser and his generals...only to find out that an armistice has been declared....

    Meanwhile, Superman (again, in his first year of publication) travels to a war-torn country and ends the war by kidnapping the leaders of the opposing sides (this is part of the aforementioned "Merchants of Death" storyline, so he ends the war by telling them that they're just fighting in order to make munitions makers rich)...

    Basically, Siegel and Shuster just took a tragic hero (Hugo Danner) and made him into a superhero (Superman).

    Well observed, Syon. I hesitate to take this thread in a direction that’s already far afield from its origin; but I hope we’ll have occasion to touch on this topic in the future.

    Lately I’ve felt that one of the pities of this site is its anonymous character. It’s completely necessary, of course; but a it comes at a cost when you’re encountering people with a common cluster of interests. Perhaps there’s a secret location where iSteve readers could gather unobserved? One of those windswept Scottish golf courses? Or the Fortress of Solitude?

    Anyway, Merry Christmas to my fellow commenters.

  171. @Karl
    72 Jim Don Bob > it was not unusual when she was growing up in a small town in West Virginia for the man of the family to drink his pay check away Friday night leaving nothing for the family for the next week


    Maybe a Mossad conspiracy, is NOT why the NY Jews run Hollywood.

    Maybe it's because NY Jews can count, can stay sober, and would rather schtup hot shiksas, than starve them.

    “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

    -Donald Trump (allegedly)

  172. @J.Ross
    The idea that "war is a racket" was the default reaction to WWI and the most popular characterization of war until the ratcheting up of the Evil Hitler myth. A lot of the stories from WWII are literally the same stories from WWI with the difference that nobody doubts them. A lot of these examples are too broad and too widely popular to be plagiarism, the strongest argument is the central character stuff.

    A lot of these examples are too broad and too widely popular to be plagiarism,

    Dunno. The thing that struck me is how all of the possibly Wylie-influenced plot- points occur in the first year of publication…..

    the strongest argument is the central character stuff.

    Absolutely. The possibly lifted story-points are just icing on the cake.

  173. @anonguy

    There are still plenty of dirty dangerous outdoor jobs that men do, and without men to do those jobs society would collapse within days..
     
    What jobs would those be, not just the dirty/dangerous exclusively male ones, but the dirty dangerous exclusively male occupations that left undone by men would undo society within days? I'm genuinely curious.

    Well, plumbing for one. without waste removal and clean water we all get sick in a few weeks and lots of us weaker ones die.

    Electricity for another. Is it women making sure the power lines are working and reliable? I’ve never seen one in that capacity.

    Nearly all the outdoor essential jobs are done by men. Even mowing the grass at the parks and cleaning the bathrooms. I’m sure there are women somewhere doing those jobs, but I’ve never seen it.

    Oh, and the truck driving that delivers all the food to the stores and restaurants. Those jobs are mostly men too. I just did a payroll for a local trucking company, in fact, I’ve done them for years. They’ve never had a female driver.

  174. @Clyde

    OT but very iStevey article. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-island-where-chinese-mothers-deliver-american-babies-1513852203
     
    The island is Saipan/ It's behind the WSJ paywall! But this guy copied it onto his blog. https://johnib.wordpress.com/2017/12/21/the-island-where-chinese-mothers-deliver-american-babies/

    Thanks for the link to this worthwhile story.

  175. @kaganovitch
    " the kosher tax on food"

    What on earth are you talking about? What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?

    Outside of fresh fruit and vegetables, pretty much everything you eat has a kosher seal on it, and it isn’t just the food producers who pay the bribes. An example is cellulose, which is an ingredient in many foods, and is produced by pulp/paper companies. Rabbis shake them down, also. Why do you think the rabbis are able to get away with the shakedown, when less than 2% of the population cares about a kosher seal on their food? They collect bribes up and down the supply chain.

    I don’t know what the total cost of forcing a good portion of the West to keep kosher, but it’s undoubtedly far more than the annoyance of seeing that GD seal on just about everything I purchase. Somehow, I imagine that organized Jewry would object to a cross printed on consumer packaging.

  176. @kaganovitch
    " the kosher tax on food"

    What on earth are you talking about? What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?

    a Jewish tax on food which appears to have spread throughout the kitchen to non-food items so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products, and from there made its way to the laundry room so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products plus laundry products, and from there metastacized to the medicine cabinet so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products plus laundry products plus over-the-counter medications.

  177. @snorlax

    If Protestants wanted to go anti-Semitic, they could target ... credit card usury that is a far bigger problem than taxation
     
    Looking at the C-suites of the big 3 credit card companies, the Tribe appears to be batting 0 for 12 at Visa, 0 for 10 at Mastercard and 2 for 13* at American Express.

    It may well be that "credit card usury is a far bigger problem than taxation" but Da Jooz don't seem to have much to do with it.

    *General Counsel Laureen Seeger and Global Corporate Payments Pres. Susan Sobbott; CIO Marc Gordon could be a Jewish name but a family member's obituary confirms he isn't.

    You’re right, banks issue credit cards, and Jews have absolutely nothing to do with banking and finance.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    OK, I'll repeat the exercise with the five largest banks by number of branches.

    Wells Fargo: 2 Jews, 8 goys
    JP Morgan-Chase: 2 J, 13 G [1][2]
    Bank of America: 4 J, 10 G
    US Bancorp: 0 J, 14 G
    PNC: 0 J, 15 G

    For an overall total of 50 goys (including all 5 CEOs and all 6[3] retail banking[4] chiefs) to 8 Jews.

    Jews are certainly very well-represented in finance, but mostly at the very high end (Goldman Sachs) or, to a lesser extent, the very low end (LOW CREDIT! NO CREDIT!). The middle-tier small-potatoes retail banking/credit card world doesn't have much appeal to them, or to SWPLs of any ethnicity.[5]

    [1] The only one of the five that's headquartered on Wall Street instead of way out in the boonies.
    [2] I was under the incorrect impression that [JP Morgan CEO] Jamie Dimon was Jewish—he's very Slavic-looking for a Greek:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/The_Global_Financial_Context_James_Dimon_%28cropped%29.jpg/341px-The_Global_Financial_Context_James_Dimon_%28cropped%29.jpg

    [3] Bank of America has two.
    [4] The unit that issues credit cards.
    [5] The most surprising thing to me, googling these credit card and bank executives, is how many of them (at least a quarter to a third) were alumni of rural fundie colleges I'd never heard of, versus almost none from the Ivy League.
  178. @kaganovitch
    " the kosher tax on food"

    What on earth are you talking about? What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?

    What on earth are you talking about? What is this kosher tax and who is paying it?

    Great Jewish humor, by the way.

  179. @Paleo Liberal
    Stalin tended to purge anyone who got powerful enough to frighten him, loyal or otherwise.

    The current Kim of the Norks does the same thing. Even family members.

    One of the many tales coming out of the old USSR, completely unsubstantiated, is that Stalin's aides poisoned him. Partly because they were concerned about being purged, but also because he seemed hell-bent on starting a nuclear war with the US. In the meantime, Stalin had built concentration camps for the Jews, and was about to implement his Final Solution when he died.

    It is amazing how many close calls we had with nuclear war. One of the most interesting stories is when the US discovered that there had been bugs for many years in the US Embassy in Moscow. The Soviets were hearing all sorts of highly secret conversations.

    A task force was put together to assess the damage done to the US by the bugs. The task force concluded that the bugs may have saved the world from nuclear war. Thing is, the Soviets at the time were scared of a first strike by the US, the way Hitler did a first strike, and were listening in for warnings to the Embassy staff to get the hell out of Dodge. Since the warnings never came, the Russians knew we weren't planning on a first strike.

    Stalin had built concentration camps for the Jews, and was about to implement his Final Solution when he died.

    Stalin …

    … or those two fellows?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Technically, none of the above.

    Construction workers built the camps.

    I am sure all three of them were in on the planning.
  180. @dr kill
    In ten years, women will officially be obsolete. Sex bots will fill the world's closets, and cinema will be computer generated. Boy, I hope that AI will think of something new to say.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs3xXlXSOKk

    I have adult children in their early twenty’s so I am subjected to a steady diet of movies that are produced using computer generated images. they are visually and audibly overwhelming, even on a 60″ television but they seem to lack acting or in depth characters. It is always some dystopian story that is as depressing as it is dull.

    Interestingly enough, being able to produce high quality graphics should help a story because it allows the stage to fit the dialog v. the other way around. You see this on historical shows where the graphics have to be taken from wherever they can get them to support the narrative even if they are from somewhere else. There might be room for better movies because they can focus on acting now rather than whatever MacGuffin happened to be available.

  181. @Anonymous
    There are various certifying authorities for what is and isn't kosher, all of necessity run by Jews who claim to be the "most 100 percent standard tech" Jews there are (to mix religious metaphors). The certifiers are rabbis, but the company need not be owned by Jews.

    This is a voluntary thing on the part of food companies and I have no problem with it particularly, because they make a decision to do it or not based on the downside vs. the upside. Jews do not and AFAIK have never been accused of terrorizing or intimidating businesses that are not kosher, they just don't buy those products. And many non Jews see kosher certification as a plus as it does require some attention to detail and prohibit certain ingredients you might not want, at least in certain products, anyway.

    If I ran a business producing food I’d definitely consider paying the rabbi if it were to my advantage. However, it wouldn’t be a first priority.

    Say I wanted to start a bakery selling Eastern European-style rye bread, which is good, healthy stuff, and much loved by Jews. Jews may be only 2% of the general population, but they’d probably be more like 6% of the potential customers for this kind of product. And if you add the part-Jewish, married to Jewish and not Jewish but like kosher people the percentage of people who would be more likely to buy it with kosher certification might rise to 15% or more. In this case, it’s worth it to get the kosher certification.

    However, if I were selling pork sausage of course I wouldn’t let it bother me that Jews won’t certify it.

    I used to feel kind of annoyed to see the Jewish mark on foods, but if you think about it from a business perspective it’s nothing to be bothered about. As for Jewish dietary restrictions, it isn’t my problem. Their loss, I’d say. Who in their right mind would pass up dungeness crab, Alaskan scallops, slow cooked pork ribs, prosciutto or clam chowder? If I were a Jew, I’d probably petition my rabbi to change the rules.

    • Replies: @a reader

    I used to feel kind of annoyed to see the Jewish mark on foods, but if you think about it from a business perspective it’s nothing to be bothered about.
     

    How can one accept to pay a religious tax (since 1924) to the group which displays the most fanatical objection to the slightest display of Christianity in the public sphere is beyond me.

    Admittedly, the cost amounts to less than 1%, hardly enough for subsistance.

  182. @a reader

    Stalin had built concentration camps for the Jews, and was about to implement his Final Solution when he died.
     
    Stalin ...

    ... or those two fellows?

    Technically, none of the above.

    Construction workers built the camps.

    I am sure all three of them were in on the planning.

  183. @Bill P
    If I ran a business producing food I'd definitely consider paying the rabbi if it were to my advantage. However, it wouldn't be a first priority.

    Say I wanted to start a bakery selling Eastern European-style rye bread, which is good, healthy stuff, and much loved by Jews. Jews may be only 2% of the general population, but they'd probably be more like 6% of the potential customers for this kind of product. And if you add the part-Jewish, married to Jewish and not Jewish but like kosher people the percentage of people who would be more likely to buy it with kosher certification might rise to 15% or more. In this case, it's worth it to get the kosher certification.

    However, if I were selling pork sausage of course I wouldn't let it bother me that Jews won't certify it.

    I used to feel kind of annoyed to see the Jewish mark on foods, but if you think about it from a business perspective it's nothing to be bothered about. As for Jewish dietary restrictions, it isn't my problem. Their loss, I'd say. Who in their right mind would pass up dungeness crab, Alaskan scallops, slow cooked pork ribs, prosciutto or clam chowder? If I were a Jew, I'd probably petition my rabbi to change the rules.

    I used to feel kind of annoyed to see the Jewish mark on foods, but if you think about it from a business perspective it’s nothing to be bothered about.

    How can one accept to pay a religious tax (since 1924) to the group which displays the most fanatical objection to the slightest display of Christianity in the public sphere is beyond me.

    Admittedly, the cost amounts to less than 1%, hardly enough for subsistance.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Orthodox Jews who keep kosher aren't the problem; they voted somewhere in the vicinity of 2-1 for Trump.

    Also, that's not how running a business works; they get their products kosher-certified because the additional revenue from the Orthodox Jewish market is greater than the cost of certification. More profits means lower prices.

    Not only that, but the kosher certification agencies are inadvertently doing all Americans a favor. If BigFood Inc wants to outsource ingredients to facilities in (for example) China, they're free to do so, but the kosher certification fee just went up by about 100,000%. You could call it the "kosher tariff." Moreover, the kosher certification is the closest thing to a health inspection that Chinese facility is ever going to get.
    , @snorlax
    I'll add that the complaint is especially silly in light of the numerous, non-trivial, actual-factual religious taxes in the US, such as in Washington state you pay $44.98/gallon ($13.50 federal, plus $31.48 state, plus sales tax, plus until recently the state-run monopoly markup) on liquor.
  184. @OilcanFloyd
    You're right, banks issue credit cards, and Jews have absolutely nothing to do with banking and finance.

    OK, I’ll repeat the exercise with the five largest banks by number of branches.

    Wells Fargo: 2 Jews, 8 goys
    JP Morgan-Chase: 2 J, 13 G [1][2]
    Bank of America: 4 J, 10 G
    US Bancorp: 0 J, 14 G
    PNC: 0 J, 15 G

    For an overall total of 50 goys (including all 5 CEOs and all 6[3] retail banking[4] chiefs) to 8 Jews.

    Jews are certainly very well-represented in finance, but mostly at the very high end (Goldman Sachs) or, to a lesser extent, the very low end (LOW CREDIT! NO CREDIT!). The middle-tier small-potatoes retail banking/credit card world doesn’t have much appeal to them, or to SWPLs of any ethnicity.[5]

    [MORE]

    [1] The only one of the five that’s headquartered on Wall Street instead of way out in the boonies.
    [2] I was under the incorrect impression that [JP Morgan CEO] Jamie Dimon was Jewish—he’s very Slavic-looking for a Greek:

    [3] Bank of America has two.
    [4] The unit that issues credit cards.
    [5] The most surprising thing to me, googling these credit card and bank executives, is how many of them (at least a quarter to a third) were alumni of rural fundie colleges I’d never heard of, versus almost none from the Ivy League.

  185. @Nick Diaz
    "And finally, the campaign for universal infant male circumcision also originated in Northeastern WASP culture, as yet another way to “improve” men from the beasts they naturally are"

    This is true. But I don't think feminist played a big part in this. This had more to do with the Puritanism of American Society, which deams sexual pleasure as a sin. Circumcision was seen as an effective way to curb masturbation, which in the pseudo-science of the day was seen as being responsible for all sorts of ailments, as well as a way to reduce the intensity of male sexual orgasm. Men were seen as having a natural tendency towards promiscuity, and circumcision, by blunting the sexual response and making it harder to reach orgasm, as a way to make men resist "temptation".

    With time, a bunch of pseudo-scientific "medical" reasons for circumcision arose, which were just palliative arguments for the real reasons why circumcision was practiced, which were moral/religious. The medical arguments just don't stand up to scrutiny. Consider, for instance, the argument that circumcision reduces urinary tract infections. Well, urinary tract infections are not very serious, and easily treated with antibiotics. Or cancer of the penis: it is extremely rare even among uncircumcised males, occurring in only 1 in 100,000 men. And circumcision reduces the incidence by a measly 3%. Or consider HIV infection: circumcision does reduce the risk of infection, but just wearing a condom offers a much higher degree of protection. An uncircumcised man that wears a condom has a much lower risk of being infected than a circumcised one who doesen't.



    But nevertheless, circumcision was something that for 100 years was practiced in America only by upper crust WASPs and of course Jews. Routine circumcision of boys in America only started in the 1950's. The vast majority of American men who fought in WW2 were uncircumcised, and most white American men over age 70 are uncircumcised as well. Likewise, the Founding Fathers were all uncircumcised as well. So were Ronald Reagan and Elvis Presley.

    Stopping the routine genital mutilation of boys in America is problematic because it would require American men, the vast majority of whom are circumcised, to admit that something bad happened to their penises. No self-respecting man will ever admit that there is something wrong with his penis. So American men will continue mutilating their sons so as to convince themselves that there is nothing wrong with their penises. A classic case of Stockholm Syndrome: victims will try to create more victims so as to justify their own victimization as something trivial.

    Of course, this would NEVER be tolerated if done to little girls. Contrary to what feminists claim, females are actually treated with far more concern, gentleness and protection than men. In fact, the genital mutilation of girls is already outlawed by federal law in America. People that argue that female circumcision is worse than male circumcision because it involves amputating the whole clitoris, while male circumcision involves removing only the foreskin, are missing the point. The point is that little girls in America are protected from ANY genital cutting, even removal of the clitoral hood, which is analogous to male circumcision. In fact, even pricking the genitals of a girl with a needle can land a doctor in jail.

    This is why I hate feminists with a passion: the fundamental premise of feminism, that men had it better than women, is false. Anyone who has watched "Titanic" can see that. All the women but almost none of the men in that ship survived. Why? Because it was accepted that men's lives were not as valuable as women's, and that men were required to die to protect women's lives. How are men "privileged" if their very LIVES were deemed as less valuable? Then, there is other stuff, such as that only men had to go to war, that all the most dangerous jobs were done by men while women stayed safely at home. Yes, feminists are right that men had more freedom...to live extremely brutal and often short lives. It was not so much "freedom", but more along the lines that men were the ones that dealt with the brutal, nasty, violent World out there, from hunting to warring and working in mines breathing asbestos. Yeah, some great "freedom"

    This is also the reason why I am not conservative, and I do not sympathize with Sailer's anti-feminism: Sailer is anti-feminist not because of the hypocrisy of feminists in wanting to keep all the female privileges without any male responsibilities, but because he wants a return to the 1950's when women truly were a protected class. I don't want to go back to a Society when women received all kinds of pampering and protection just for being female. I want true legal and moral equality between men and women.I am a TRUE feminist, as any libertarian is.

    I never thought I’d see the day when this guy would say something sensible. Whaddaya know.

    I’d add that in our culture, the lives of married men are deemed more important than those without. The implication is clear: men are not an end, but have value only insofar as they are able and willing to act as resource extraction mechanisms/sex toys for women.

  186. @a reader

    I used to feel kind of annoyed to see the Jewish mark on foods, but if you think about it from a business perspective it’s nothing to be bothered about.
     

    How can one accept to pay a religious tax (since 1924) to the group which displays the most fanatical objection to the slightest display of Christianity in the public sphere is beyond me.

    Admittedly, the cost amounts to less than 1%, hardly enough for subsistance.

    Orthodox Jews who keep kosher aren’t the problem; they voted somewhere in the vicinity of 2-1 for Trump.

    Also, that’s not how running a business works; they get their products kosher-certified because the additional revenue from the Orthodox Jewish market is greater than the cost of certification. More profits means lower prices.

    Not only that, but the kosher certification agencies are inadvertently doing all Americans a favor. If BigFood Inc wants to outsource ingredients to facilities in (for example) China, they’re free to do so, but the kosher certification fee just went up by about 100,000%. You could call it the “kosher tariff.” Moreover, the kosher certification is the closest thing to a health inspection that Chinese facility is ever going to get.

    • Replies: @a reader

    Orthodox Jews who keep kosher aren’t the problem; they voted somewhere in the vicinity of 2-1 for Trump.
     
    Madoff is not a problem, he voted for Trump.

    Also, that’s not how running a business works; they get their products kosher-certified because the additional revenue from the Orthodox Jewish market is greater than the cost of certification. More profits means lower prices.
     
    Of course nobody would bother if this tax were applied to the minuscule Orthodox Jewish market.

    Instead, the entire American people is held -unknowingly- to ransom, to the tune of hundreds of million $ paid annually to rabbis.

    the kosher certification is the closest thing to a health inspection that Chinese facility is ever going to get
     
    Kashrut is about religious dietary laws, ie what is irrationnally allowed or not to be consumed.
    It is absolutely not concerned with either hygiene, health or food safety, as you (and kosher organisms) deceivingly mention.
  187. @a reader

    I used to feel kind of annoyed to see the Jewish mark on foods, but if you think about it from a business perspective it’s nothing to be bothered about.
     

    How can one accept to pay a religious tax (since 1924) to the group which displays the most fanatical objection to the slightest display of Christianity in the public sphere is beyond me.

    Admittedly, the cost amounts to less than 1%, hardly enough for subsistance.

    I’ll add that the complaint is especially silly in light of the numerous, non-trivial, actual-factual religious taxes in the US, such as in Washington state you pay $44.98/gallon ($13.50 federal, plus $31.48 state, plus sales tax, plus until recently the state-run monopoly markup) on liquor.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    If you consider tobacco taxes to be religious they are even worse in states like NY. In NYC, a pack of cigarettes has a tax of $6.86. This led to the death of the gentle giant, Eric Garner.
  188. @Jack Hanson
    This is not an argument, nor an accurate recitation of the point being made.

    This is not an argument, nor an accurate recitation of the point being made.

    Oh I think it is. Specifically, the idea that Trump has Weinstein-like dirt on Congress is barely possible I suppose, but not very credible.

    What we do know, both from the Roy Moore debacle and the tax bill is that the Mitch McConnell types within the GOP, especially Mitch himself, can actually make the trains run on time, politically speaking, whereas the alt-right is doing well if they can manage to eat lunch without wearing a helmet.

  189. @ChrisZ
    Ha! But no, golf course architecture is something I never even thought about until I started frequenting iSteve.

    Turns out it really is interesting, though, right?

    It’s certainly quaint.

  190. @anonguy

    There are still plenty of dirty dangerous outdoor jobs that men do, and without men to do those jobs society would collapse within days..
     
    What jobs would those be, not just the dirty/dangerous exclusively male ones, but the dirty dangerous exclusively male occupations that left undone by men would undo society within days? I'm genuinely curious.

    What jobs would those be, not just the dirty/dangerous exclusively male ones, but the dirty dangerous exclusively male occupations that left undone by men would undo society within days? I’m genuinely curious.

    Apart from the long lists provided by other commenters there are a few more.

    Commercial fishing. Incredibly dangerous. Pretty much exclusively male. Without commercial fishermen there are going to be a lot of empty shelves in the supermarket.

    Farming. Most of the hard dangerous work is done by men. And it’s a very dangerous job.

  191. @Prof. Woland
    Computers / the internet are the ultimate dis-intermediary. What is happening to Hollywood has been happening to every other industry for a while now.

    It is not an accident that the first part of the media to take a hit was the news. Newspapers lost adds to Craigslist. Small 'news' sites on the internet have been scooping the bigger institutional news organizations. Crowd sourcing allows for a fact check that does not rely on "professional" journalists making it harder to spike or bury stories. This has been a blow, the left will never fully recover from.

    Now it is occurring to the movie and television industry. By nature, these are more complicated, technical, and expensive to produce but why do you need a schmuck like Harvey Weinstein in the middle? There are actresses / actors so desperate to work they would f*^% Weinstein so clearly finding actors is not the problem. The Chinese and Japanese have money falling out of their pockets and want to buy studios so capital is not the problem. And computer animation is eliminating much of the need for expensive stages or props cutting the need for the studio infrastructure and their fickle liberal employees.

    If the quality of movies Hollywood produced were that good people would still pay, but like the NFL, there is a limit to what people will watch or pay. I think we have reached it.

    Yes, Hollywood is just not delivering the goods anymore
    so in the minds of many it’s becoming expendable.
    Boycott Hollywood is having an effect

  192. @The Z Blog
    Now you can no longer say, "I don't see any evidence..."

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/08/gen-z-is-wests-last-great-hope.html

    You are welcome.

    Now you can no longer say, “I don’t see any evidence…”

    There are a couple of things I’d note here. On economic issues Trump was well to the left of Clinton.
    Clinton was perceived (correctly) as the candidate of the bankers and the candidate supporting stuff like free trade. Trump was perceived as the candidate more likely to support a return to protectionism. He was also perceived as the candidate more likely to defend working-class interests, or at least more likely to defend the interests of the non-elites against the elites. So the support for Trump among the young could be interpreted as a shift to the left (which in my view would be a good thing if it were true).

    Secondly Clinton was perceived as being amazingly corrupt while Trump was perceived to be essentially reasonably honest. Young people tend to be idealistic so naturally they’re going to prefer the candidate who appears to be less corrupt.

    All of this is likely to be very bad news indeed for the GOP, which is perceived as being the party that really really hates working-class and poor people. No-one today is silly enough to believe that the Democrats actually care about such people but I think it’s fair to say that the GOP is seen as the party most likely to actively (and gleefully) make life miserable for the have-nots.

    It would have been really interesting to see a comparison of support for Trump vs support for Sanders. My instincts tell me that Gen Z would have voted overwhelmingly for Sanders.

    It also depends on what you mean by conservative. Do you mean economically conservative or socially conservative? If you mean the former then I suspect that Gen Z leans markedly leftwards. If you mean the latter then I fear that Gen Z is likely to lean very hard left indeed.

  193. @snorlax
    Orthodox Jews who keep kosher aren't the problem; they voted somewhere in the vicinity of 2-1 for Trump.

    Also, that's not how running a business works; they get their products kosher-certified because the additional revenue from the Orthodox Jewish market is greater than the cost of certification. More profits means lower prices.

    Not only that, but the kosher certification agencies are inadvertently doing all Americans a favor. If BigFood Inc wants to outsource ingredients to facilities in (for example) China, they're free to do so, but the kosher certification fee just went up by about 100,000%. You could call it the "kosher tariff." Moreover, the kosher certification is the closest thing to a health inspection that Chinese facility is ever going to get.

    Orthodox Jews who keep kosher aren’t the problem; they voted somewhere in the vicinity of 2-1 for Trump.

    Madoff is not a problem, he voted for Trump.

    Also, that’s not how running a business works; they get their products kosher-certified because the additional revenue from the Orthodox Jewish market is greater than the cost of certification. More profits means lower prices.

    Of course nobody would bother if this tax were applied to the minuscule Orthodox Jewish market.

    Instead, the entire American people is held -unknowingly- to ransom, to the tune of hundreds of million $ paid annually to rabbis.

    the kosher certification is the closest thing to a health inspection that Chinese facility is ever going to get

    Kashrut is about religious dietary laws, ie what is irrationnally allowed or not to be consumed.
    It is absolutely not concerned with either hygiene, health or food safety, as you (and kosher organisms) deceivingly mention.

  194. @snorlax
    I'll add that the complaint is especially silly in light of the numerous, non-trivial, actual-factual religious taxes in the US, such as in Washington state you pay $44.98/gallon ($13.50 federal, plus $31.48 state, plus sales tax, plus until recently the state-run monopoly markup) on liquor.

    If you consider tobacco taxes to be religious they are even worse in states like NY. In NYC, a pack of cigarettes has a tax of $6.86. This led to the death of the gentle giant, Eric Garner.

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