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Screenshot 2018-07-01 11.32.59From the New York Times Opinion section on old iSteve subject Neymar Jr., the transracial Brazilian soccer superstar:

Is Neymar Black? Brazil and the Painful Relativity of Race

Ever since his “It’s not like I’m black, you know?” comment, Neymar has served as a focal point in the country’s cultural reckoning with racism, whitening, identity and public policy.

By Cleuci de Oliveira

Cleuci de Oliveira (@Cleucl) is a journalist who has reported both in the United States and South America. Her work on race and Brazilian law has appeared in Foreign Policy, The Guardian, and other outlets.

June 30, 2018

Years before he became the most expensive player in the world; before his Olympic gold medal; before the Eiffel Tower lit up with his name to greet his professional move from Barcelona to Paris, Neymar da Silva Santos Júnior, the Brazilian forward known to the world simply as Neymar, faced his first public relations controversy.

The year was 2010, and Neymar, then 18, had shot to fame in Brazil after a sensational breakout season. During an interview for the newspaper O Estado de S. Paulo, in between a conversation about Disneyland and sports cars, he was asked if he had ever experienced racism. “Never. Not in the field, nor outside of it,” he replied.

“It’s not like I’m black, you know?”

Here’s Neymar at 16.

His answer was heard like a record-scratch across the country. Was this young man in denial about his racial identity? Particularly when in the same interview he outlined his meticulous hair care regime, which involved getting his locks chemically straightened every few weeks, then bleached blonde.

No, it’s just that Latin America’s one-drop rule works in the opposite direction. You are only black black if you have no obvious white ancestry at all.

By the way, in the U.S., female celebrities who are considered black, such as Beyonce, spend fortunes to make their hair and/or skin look whiter. But to Americans, for a Latin American male celebrity like Neymar or Sammy Sosa to follow the Beyonce path with his grooming regimen seems a little … gay. (Presumably, we will eventually be harangued over how criticism of Neymar and Sosa is homophobic, but the NYT hasn’t gotten around to that level of wokeness quite yet. But I present that suggestion as a topic for your essay in The Atlantic or Salon: accuse the NYT of homophobia for not worshipping Neymar’s identity claim.)

Or was there a less alarming explanation behind his comment? Could Neymar merely be pointing out that, as the son of a black father and a white mother, his lighter skin tone shielded him from the racist abuse directed at other players? Had he, at least in his context, reached whiteness? Whatever the interpretation, Neymar’s words revealed the tricky, often contradictory ways that many Brazilians talk, and fail to talk, about race in a country with the largest population of black descendants outside of Africa.

In contrast, the new Democratic candidate for governor of Maryland, Ben Jealous, is a Golf-American who grew up on the Monterey Peninsula down the road from Pebble Beach. But he is still the former head of the NAACP and the first black something something something.

When audiences tune in to watch Brazil play, they are treated to a rich spectrum of skin tones flashing vibrantly across the screen.

Indeed.

The racial makeup of the Brazilian squad, in fact, generally reflects the demographics of the country. According to 2017 data released by the census department, 47 percent of Brazilians identify as mixed-race, while another 8 percent identify as black.

Whereas in the U.S., only a tiny percentage of people identify as mixed race. President Obama, for example, who often cited his white nature and nurture while attempting to win white votes on the campaign trail, chose not to identity as mixed race on the 2010 Census.

… after abolition, the ruling class mounted a campaign to whiten the majority-black population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over four million white Europeans, giving them free land, and compelling Brazilians to take up with them.

“The Brazilian people, more than any other, needs the influence of advanced peoples in building a race,” read one 1914 pamphlet, “especially at the historic moment when the percentage represented by the African race is beginning to decline and must disappear into the whirlpool of the white race.”

Segregation is bad but Integration is bad, too. It all depends up on Who versus Whom.

The op-ed goes on to make a frequent point of mine:

… When in 1965, Ebony magazine set out to explore why, at the height of the U.S. civil rights and African independence movements, black Brazilians had failed to mobilize in a similar fashion, it concluded that Brazil’s legacy of embranquecimento, or whitening, had a great deal to do with it.

Brazil incorporates the more talented mixed race people into the whitish ruling class, while America recruits talented mixed race people of privileged backgrounds like Jealous and Obama to be leaders of the entitled minorities.

Concerns over affirmative action fraud have plagued some of the most prestigious university programs, fostering unease on campuses. Students of complex heritages and identities report each other to administrators for not being black, or at least black enough. Episodes of mass expulsions occur multiple times a year — followed, inevitably, by lawsuits from the expelled students.

And the mechanisms put in place to curb potential fraud, predominantly in the form of in-person interviews with government-appointed anti-racism experts, have proved cumbersome at best and counterproductive at worst. In 2016, one government department in the state of Pará went as far as devising a candidate checklist that measured features such as nose-width, skull shape and hair curl tightness. The department retired the checklist following a national outcry.

As I pointed out in Taki’s earlier this year, the reason affirmative action works much more smoothly in the U.S. than in Brazil where there are constant squabbles over whitish people attempting to game the system to win quota prizes is because American whites hold themselves to an honor system when it comes to racial identity.

But in America’s current ideological climate over who are the Bad Guys and who are the Good Guys, who can notice that American whites tend to behave in an admirably self-denying fashion when it comes to affirmative action gaming?

Basically, wokeness is a form of cognitive shorthand for determining who are the Good Guys and who are the Bad Guys. Instead of having to laboriously work out via objective principles who in a situation is behaving better, you can just tell who is Good and who is Bad by looking at them or listening to them assert their identity claims.

Now, of course, there are endless unresolved complications and disagreements in terms of Intersectional Diversity Pokemon Points. But the holders of Pokemon Points can at least agree that Cishet White Males are Bad, which does a lot to paper over the cracks in the Coalition of the Fringes.

 
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  1. “Brazil incorporates the more talented mixed race people into the whitish ruling class, while America recruits talented mixed race people of privileged backgrounds like Jealous and Obama to be leaders of the entitled minorities.”–Steve

    Obama is “talented” for a black

    • Disagree: gate666
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    'Obama is “talented” for a black'

    A genius really. His 'prompter delivery was rico smoove-daddy, plus he edited the brilliant, eloquent authors of the Harvard Law Review. I tell ya, it's tough work editing a group of writers who aced the SAT verbal and rock IQs north of 140. He probably converted a semicolon to a period every now and then.
    , @Anonymous
    Obama is in the third quarter of the talented tenth of blacks, maybe barely in the upper fourth. So there are hundreds of thousands of blacks in the US that are smarter than he is, out of (to a first approximation) 40 million.

    That wouldn't get him into Harvard Law had he been white, nor does it equip him to deal with the serious power players in Washington political society. It does mean he is smarter than the average white person and probably as smart as the average white college graduate with a liberal arts or business degree from a nonelite institution. He could have had a good honest career in any of several places. I believe that he was "sponsored" by very much smarter people for their own ends and that he served their purposes reasonably well.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Airplane travel changed all this skin shade business. Black skin (or dark brown) or any other shade really isn't of much significance. It's just a marker. Dark skin means you are likely to be stupid and violent. Black skin people in America are roughly five times as likely to commit a violent crime and have much higher failure rates in any activity that requires significant brainpower.

    Black skin is a marker for a deficient or defective brain. Black skin is also unattractive. That's why the blacks needed that propaganda campaign "Black is Beautiful". Just as today we have a similar propaganda push for the deeply untrue notion that "Black Lives Matter". Both are needed to counteract the obvious truths that blacks are widely considered to be ugly and that they are socially inconsequential and should be ignored.

    Skin tone shouldn't make that much of a difference. When people stayed pretty much where their ancestors had stayed - white Europeans in Europe and black Africans in Africa, it made sense medically. Whites who went south got sunburn and skin cancer. Blacks who came north got rickets.

    Now jet airliners move us around too much. One solution will be developing an average skin tone. Whites who want to live in Cancun will need to get a little darker and blacks will need to get a little lighter. Everyone could look like Beyoncé. What we really need is some technology like we have in those light adaptive sunglasses white get dark when you go outside and turn light again when you go back in.

    We could bring the skin color you display in public under one's personal control. Then dark people with their defective tropical brains could be disguised and pasty white northerners could look like they could play basketball.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    Someone was able to trace down Harvard Law applicants from Columbia by race, and - IIRC - Obama's LSAT score was, at best, in the bottom third for Harvard Law. Guessing that would put him in the 165-168 range. Back in the day, I knew one of Seattle's top LSAT tutors and he had obtained a confidential print out of Harvard LSAT scores by race and admission status. Blacks could get in with LSATs as low as 165, while White males essentially needed to score over 170. Keep in mind, not all Blacks above 165 and Whites above 170 were admitted.

    Obviously, a 165-168 LSAT is still smart. Maybe translates to a 125-130 IQ?

    On a side note, my uncle was in the same class year as Obama at Columbia and also a Poli Sci major. He claims to have had at least one class with Obama and described him as quiet and unremarkable.

    The great irony of Obama is that he's not an 'American Black', he just looks like one. I'm amazed that people confuse the son of an East African father and White American mother with the descendants of our country's Bantu slaves. Say what you will about American Blacks, they have a unique history in this country and Obama isn't part of it. Oh, identity politics...

  2. Flip says:

    “…because American whites hold themselves to an honor system when it comes to racial identity.”

    I think it must be like during the draft for the Vietnam war. All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay, but very few straight people did it, presumably due to the stigma of being homosexual at the time.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay,
     
    Ah, but what if the examiner asked him to prove it? I think it would be more palatable to try and (badly) fail the IQ test.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I think it must be like during the draft for the Vietnam war. All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay, but very few straight people did it, presumably due to the stigma of being homosexual at the time.

     

    Lenny Bruce tried this, but he waited till after Japan surrendered. Also, he "confessed" to desires, not acts.
  3. ‘Hi, what do you do?’

    ‘I’m a government-appointed anti-racism expert.’

    ‘Okay, I gotta go now.’

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Talk about your squandered opportunities! Sentence three should read something more like, "man, do I need to bend your ear! I was assaulted by three Black guys who said "kill Whitey," how do I raise awareness about this kind of hate crime?" From there you can start practicing your Norm MacDonald trolling skills.
  4. OT
    Guess the movie from four Simpsons screens. David Lynch is counterintuitively easy once you filter him through Matt Groening.

    http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/100521839

    and
    Dear Canadians, Happy Canada Day, Enjoy the Surtaxes. Maybe elect a grownup next time, you pot-smoking, bestiality-tolerating Communists.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Dear Canadians, Happy Canada Day
     
    That was celebrated here last week. Note the video below was shot from the safe (South) side of the river in Windsor. There is always a lot of stray gunfire from the Detriot side.

    https://youtu.be/1HdhNCVVyqA
  5. … after abolition, the ruling class mounted a campaign to whiten the majority-black population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over four million white Europeans, giving them free land, and compelling Brazilians to take up with them.

    After 1965, the ruling class mounted a campaign to de-whiten the majority-white population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over 47 million non-Europeans, giving them diversity set-asides, and compelling the Americans to take up with them.

    • Replies: @Bliss

    After 1965, the ruling class mounted a campaign to de-whiten the majority-white population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over 47 million non-Europeans
     
    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.

  6. I know next to nothing about Brazil, but apparently, the 21st century trendline in Brazil:

    – the Lula socialist win tapping the black vote
    – the affirmative action stuff
    – the massive corruption scandals in both Lula’s administrator and his successor Dilma Rouseff
    – the recession

    have kicked off a renewal of southern (whiter) successionist sentiment.

    ~~~

    BTW, it’s interesting that in mixed Brazil the last two presidents are 2nd-generate immigrant whites–Dilma Rouseff (Bulgaria) and Michel Temer (Lebanese Maronite Christian)–unmixed 0% black.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I don't think any president in Brazil has had black ancestry, Lula included. It's a lot like Mexico: whiter people naturally rise to the top.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Michel Temer (Lebanese Maronite Christian)–unmixed 0% black.'

    Michel Temer is my hero. First look up his age. Then look up his wife.

    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    the Lula socialist win tapping the black vote
     
    This part is a modern retcon; when he got elected in 2002, it was still gauche to talk about racial identity. His campaign tapped to Northeastern vote, appealing to their resentment of being less developed than the Southeast and their pride at electing one of their own to be President.

    the affirmative action stuff
     
    Yes, that part is true and crazy.

    the massive corruption scandals in both Lula’s administrator and his successor Dilma Rouseff
     
    Also true.

    the recession have kicked off a renewal of southern (whiter) successionist sentiment.
     
    This part is fanfiction. There is no serious separatist movement. Even a new Secession in the US in the next two years is more realistic.
  7. “Painful relativity about race”? I’m not sure racial attitudes in Brazil, even among self-identified blacks, map directly to American resentments. An anecdote that illustrates this, which I’ve probably mentioned here before: a friend and I were in a cafe in Rio de Janeiro when he wanted to ask for a plate and accidentally used the Portuguese word for “black” instead (“preto”). The black waitress very pleasantly corrected him, in the process pointing to her forearm to illustrate that “preto” meant black. There wasn’t a hint of resentment or surliness in her demeanor when she did this.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Latin (contra Chicano) chicks don't show much of the surly feminist woke thing. Smiling and batting their lashes and being helpful is more their thing.
    , @Corvinus
    Europeans, specifically the Portuguese and the Spanish, created a racial based hierarchy that become embedded in Central and South America. The lighter the skin, the more “rights and privileges” one received. The higher social classes of the natives, seeking to fit in with their invaders, I mean conquerors, I mean guests, bought into this system. Over the centuries, through “race realism propaganda” the lightening of one’s skin and the focus on darker skinned natives creating lighter-skinned offspring with whites was promoted.

    Racial mixing came about early in Brazil’s history. There is a “color”, not “race” hierarchy, in this nation. There was a controversial study conducted by the government in the 1970′s that perpetuated the European myth that “whiter is better”. It asked people to describe their skin color–respondents used at least 134 different terms. Moreover, the national census has five categories: indigenous, yellow, white, pardo (or brown) and preto, or dark-skinned.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/05/brazils-new-problem-with-blackness-affirmative-action/

    “Unlike in America, “miscegenation” played an integral role in Brazilian nation-building. White settlers skewed heavily male, and they were vastly outnumbered by people of color. Relationships between white settlers and indigenous, and latter black enslaved women, were not only accepted, but encouraged by colonial authorities (although for the women, they were rarely consensual). By 1872, whites made up only 38 percent of the population. If interracial relationships were widespread prior to the abolition of slavery in 1888, they became a matter of national duty afterward."

    “That didn’t happen “just because we all happened to get along,” said Mirtes Santos, a law student and Coletivo Negrada member. “It was a way to erase black identity.” Brazil’s government launched a full-on propaganda and policy effort to “whiten” Brazil: It closed the country’s borders to African immigrants, denied black Brazilians the rights to lands inhabited by the descendants of runaway slaves, and subsidized the voyage of millions of German and Italian workers, providing them with citizenship, land grants, and stipends when they arrived.”
    , @Buck Turgidson
    Only in the us and a few other feminized, childish nations that are hypersensitive about race do people dream up imaginary slights and wet themselves over such things.
    , @Truth
    ...That's because he ordered blackened catfish.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    ...pointing to her forearm to illustrate that “preto” meant black.
     
    The singer Gilberto Gil named a daughter Preta, after his mother.

    However, little Preta's own mother couldn't have been very black!


    http://static1.purepeople.com.br/articles/4/21/81/24/@/2500714-preta-gil-encoraja-seguidoras-apos-elogi-950x0-2.jpg

    She's also on the chunky side for a Brasileira. Are they going the way of Mexico?

  8. The best part of the article is how they stress that Brazil does not have strict racial categories but nonetheless the top tier of high-intelligence categories (business elite, academic elite) are dominated by Brazilians with a high proportion of European ancestry. Now what could cause that? (It could not possibly be HBD could it? – of course not; such an obvious explanation should never be mentioned). It must be due to hidden racism in a country with no clear racial lines. Of course. Hidden racism, that is the reason. No evidence of HBD here.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    Sell your HBD hokum to people dumb enough to buy it. As a matter of fact, you'll fine many such people on this site. But don't take it the real world.
  9. How much of UChicago’s new “admission interviews” are to get around affirmative action fraud – that is, white people not admitting they are white?

    • Replies: @bartok

    How much of UChicago’s new “admission interviews” are to get around affirmative action fraud – that is, white people not admitting they are white?
     
    Didn't iSteve just write that whites don't do that? SOUL MAN was a movie, not real life.

    More interesting than your conjecture is the complete failure of the media to understand what elite universities are up to when they make the SAT optional: They can, sotto voce, encourage the diversity applicants to skip the test. Then it doesn't affect the US News scores.

    But the possibility of such maneuvering never entered the minds of the journalists 'reporting' on the new policy.

  10. “When audiences tune in to watch Brazil play, they are treated to a rich spectrum of skin tones flashing vibrantly across the screen.”

    Which country is the staff of Slate, Salon and the NYT rooting for? Take a wild guess!

  11. At what point do the whites in the Democrat Party realize that the mob will come after them?

    “Bernie is not the Left” – https://newrepublic.com/article/149378/bernie-sanders-not-left

    • Replies: @Lot
    Anti-whiteness gets quite explicit here:

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/06/summer-of-rage.html
  12. OT but pure gold:

    PS: BBC tries to mislead with the headline.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I don't understand why this clip is so popular. I thought he did a poor job, missing many opportunities to turn the tables on her. Two examples:
    (1) when she calls him undemocratic, he could have called into question her definition of "democratic," (which doesn't mean, any longer in the EU, representative of the people);
    (2) when she blathers on about "European values", he should have called her out on her presumption and insisted that European values are enshrined in EU laws and treaties, which Hungary is following, though not Germany.

    Pat Buchanan should spend his remaining years holding seminars for our people on debating/dealing with journalists.
    , @AndrewR
    Who is that hack presstitute? Is that typ
  13. Segregation is bad but Integration is bad, too. It all depends up on Who versus Whom.

    This is continually one of these things that is obvious, but the left is never called out on.

    The clear take home of the Michael Brown thing, where the left/activists/blacks/Democrats/NYT were claiming it was the height of evil for the gentle giant to have to listen to a white–white!–police officer, in majority black Ferguson is obviously …
    ok, then we shouldn’t have integrated suburbs like Ferguson, but separate white and black communities with separate white and black police forces. (Works for me!)

    Yet, i never heard a single Republican pop up and make that point. “Hey if black men just can’t–shouldn’t–be policed by white cops, that means we should live segregated communities.”

    ~~~

    Another recurrent is blacks self-segragating–especially in schools–and demanding “black stuff”. I don’t remember details, but a bunch of the demands during the 2016 campus micro-aggression madness was for more black stuff! Black organizations, black studies, separate black dorms, etc.

    Anyone paying attention in America the last 40 or 50, realizes that blacks actually do not want to integrate and become dark “whites”. Blacks actually like being black. While there are a few middle class–especially Christian–blacks who are happy to adopt white middle-class behavior, most blacks really do not want to behave according to (repressive) white norms. They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks … they just want white people to provide goodies.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Segregation and Integration are both bad, BtW. They're both unjustified big gov't meddling in how people live their lives and manage their property. Big gov't went from forcing Segregation down people's throats, straight to forcing Integration down people's throats. Note the salient constant - big gov't power-grabs.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Go woke, go broke. University of Missouri struggles with $50 million shortfall, reduced enrollment after racial protests. School cuts 185 positions in response to funding crisis.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/46322/
    , @Stan d Mute

    They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks … they just want white people to provide goodies.
     
    As someone born just a few blocks and a few months away from the starting point of the 1967 Detroit riots, and who’s spent his entire life in close (too close!) proximity to millions of negroes, I can attest to this. The problem is that to get the goodies they’ve been trained to chase down the whites. It’s no different from any conditioned behavior is it? Whites have the goodies, so to get the goodies one must go to the whites. Think cargo cult.

    And the corollary is that most whites like being white, want to behave in traditional white ways, vastly prefer being around other whites, and generally just want to be left the hell alone.
    , @interesting
    they even have a name for it.......he/she is acting white.
    , @Colin Wright
    'Another recurrent is blacks self-segragating–especially in schools–and demanding “black stuff”.'

    Blacks will always 'self-segregate' -- albeit involuntarily.

    Everyone else moves away from them as soon as they can afford to.

    I remember I once saw an obviously fresh-off-the-boat Indian family in a black neighborhood. My immediate reaction was, 'boy, do they have a reason to be upwardly mobile!'
    , @Tiny Duck
    If what you say is true then why do Black Nen and white virus like having sex with each other?

    Seems like they like integration

    Your just making stuff up
    , @PaceLaw
    As an African American, I must regrettably acknowledge the truths of your observations. Far too many blacks (hip-hop community, I’m looking at you!) have no interest whatsoever in adopting white norms and culture.
  14. I think you misspelled “Beyonce” which should read “Beyonkey” to phonetically match her musical talents:

    • Replies: @Lot
    Come on now, keep isteve comments classier than that. Also Beyonce is not my type of music but she has an objectively good voice and singing ability.
  15. A large part of American and European attitudes is that Black people went from untermenschen though amusing/tolerable ones as comic relief (look at any 1930′s Three Stooges short with Black people in it) or in Europe as noble savages to Ubermenschen destined to rule boring old White guys because of the greater Extraversion of African peoples on average.

    Sure the odd Ta-Nehi Coates can be a morose introvert like say your Average Finn, but on average Black people are far more extraverted, and that creates the view among much higher White introverts that hey, these guys must be the master race because they sure talk a lot and very confident.

    This HBD set of traits alone accounts for the dominance of Black people in America and European societies, Canada, etc. Particularly since women dominate more and more Western society through female-driven consumerism, female values such as extraversion in men become more and more important, and actually accomplishing anything becomes irrelevant. For women and a female-driven society it is all about status and social positioning and dominance, not any real tangible results.

    Brazil is a much more violent society top to bottom so actual real accomplishment means something — the money and power to move into a gated community guarded by men with rifles.

    • Replies: @Low Voltage
    Well said! Not to mention the enormous cost to a Brazilian woman whose "baby-daddy" is poor.
    , @byrresheim
    Well said.

    However one would not want to live in Brazil. Transaction costs.

    (e.g. men with rifles guarding compounds)

    However, women can't do the math, we let ourselves be dominated by women, thus Brazil is our future.

  16. Bad joke time.

    Q: What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in the middle of the ocean?

    A: Photo op.

    Bodies of three babies pulled out of sea after migrant boat sinks off coast of Libya

    Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies of three children being pulled out of the Mediterranean sea after an ‘explosion’ on inflatable boat just off the coast of Libya.

    The heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies being carried out by rescue workers near Garaboulli, east of Tripoli.

    Shortly later, they received the news that over 100 people were missing at sea in that same region.

    Belated warning. Link contains SHOCKING pictures of DEAD BABIES.

    P.S. Womp Womp

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Obviously you are not a holy man. Damn you to hell with your "joke".

    Here something that's REALLY funny, compliments of (Christian) Vox Day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwayjaEJTk4

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?

    , @Stan d Mute
    It worked a wonder the last time with just one dead kid on a beach. The hope is that this time it will work three times better! Italy and Hungary must NOT be allowed to stop the African invasion of Europe.
    , @Neuday
    P.J. O'Roarke must be in charge of EU migration policy. Let us in or we'll drown our babies

    http://www.reasonpad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/National_Lampoon_Shoot_the_dog-335x450.jpg
    , @bored identity
    bored identity would like to stress that White House still did not provide to public any information on Trump's whereabouts at the time this horrendous tragedy occured.


    What's Muellerquemada waiting for?!
    , @24AheadDotCom
    I'm not going to bother with your links, but psychos like you make things easier for the bad guys. It'd hurt the bad guys to use my "false compassion" talking point, but people like you can't even comprehend it much less have the smarts to use it.

    As for Neymar, I don't care what color he is as long as he wins. The last BRA match had some missed connections but with the other big stars out he's going to be extra hungry to make it happen.
    , @Tiny Duck
    You're a piece of dog mess

    This is why we NEED demographic change

    All the works has a white supremacy problem

    This is why we BEED just social programs lol he affirmative action

    I cannot believe how fragile white males are
  17. @Flip
    "...because American whites hold themselves to an honor system when it comes to racial identity."

    I think it must be like during the draft for the Vietnam war. All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay, but very few straight people did it, presumably due to the stigma of being homosexual at the time.

    All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay,

    Ah, but what if the examiner asked him to prove it? I think it would be more palatable to try and (badly) fail the IQ test.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay
     
    It worked for Malcolm Little.
    , @Chris Mallory

    Ah, but what if the examiner asked him to prove it?
     
    I don't know about VN era draft procedures, but in the late '80's after we got to Basic the sergeants told us that if we wanted to "cry gay" in order to go back home we had to have multiple sessions with a shrink and describe "activities and encounters" in order to prove gayness.

    No one I knew took that way out. We did have one boy go psychotic and try to attack a couple of sergeants.
    , @Anon87
    I've heard stories about this at cattle call draft boards during Vietnam. One guy reveals pink panties during the physical, and says he is gay. A black DI takes him into another room, whips it out, and asks him to prove it. Bluff called, and pink panties goes back in line. I've also heard guys asked someone else to piss in their cup once they heard he had diabetes. Also heard some groups were told to count by threes, and all 1s are now lucky be be Marines. Crying ensued based on the assumption they just got a death sentence. Who knows if these are true.
  18. @MG
    At what point do the whites in the Democrat Party realize that the mob will come after them?

    “Bernie is not the Left” - https://newrepublic.com/article/149378/bernie-sanders-not-left

    Anti-whiteness gets quite explicit here:

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/06/summer-of-rage.html

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Anti-whiteness gets quite explicit here:
     
    Well surprise, surprise, surprise. I’m starting to notice a common thread here..

    https://122g2g321ipu7384u15dtr81-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Rebecca-Traister.jpg


    https://youtu.be/tXd09NDQW3w
  19. @Meretricious
    "Brazil incorporates the more talented mixed race people into the whitish ruling class, while America recruits talented mixed race people of privileged backgrounds like Jealous and Obama to be leaders of the entitled minorities."--Steve

    Obama is "talented" for a black

    ‘Obama is “talented” for a black’

    A genius really. His ‘prompter delivery was rico smoove-daddy, plus he edited the brilliant, eloquent authors of the Harvard Law Review. I tell ya, it’s tough work editing a group of writers who aced the SAT verbal and rock IQs north of 140. He probably converted a semicolon to a period every now and then.

  20. @Stan d Mute
    I think you misspelled “Beyonce” which should read “Beyonkey” to phonetically match her musical talents:

    https://youtu.be/B6d2FiFv8tU

    Come on now, keep isteve comments classier than that. Also Beyonce is not my type of music but she has an objectively good voice and singing ability.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Come on now, keep isteve comments classier than that. Also Beyonce is not my type of music but she has an objectively good voice and singing ability.
     
    Ouch! That one stung huh? You’ve never, in my 200,000 words of drivel here, not once complained about Obola (Obama), McStain (McCain), Tramp (Trump), Detoilet or Detriot (Detroit), Bidet (Biden), Chicongo (Chicago), TaNeezy (Ta Nehisi)or any of my myriad intentional mean misspellings. But Beyonkey is a bridge too far..

    Perhaps a bit more “your type” than you care to admit?
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    Oh, come on now, stop with the This Present Day B.S. Compared to some black singer of real elegance and artistry, say Ella Fitzgerald, or Sarah Vaughn, this woman should properly be relegated to braying to hail taxicabs in front of a 5-star hotel. And she feels that it is so-o-o classy flaunting the flesh unlike true, black, female vocal artists of the past. Couple this with her Hate Cops i.e. YT routine at the Super Bowl, and it is really No Sale.

    Oh, and if you would like to add to the list of black females who have both superior pipes & taste, look no further than Jessye Norman. A few years back I had the priviledge to hear her perform Berlioz' Les Nuits d'Etes with the Philadelphia Orchestra. Talk about sheer vocal mastery, coupled with interpretive genius.

  21. @J.Ross
    OT
    Guess the movie from four Simpsons screens. David Lynch is counterintuitively easy once you filter him through Matt Groening.
    http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/100521839
    and
    Dear Canadians, Happy Canada Day, Enjoy the Surtaxes. Maybe elect a grownup next time, you pot-smoking, bestiality-tolerating Communists.

    Dear Canadians, Happy Canada Day

    That was celebrated here last week. Note the video below was shot from the safe (South) side of the river in Windsor. There is always a lot of stray gunfire from the Detriot side.

  22. Segregation is bad but Integration is bad, too. It all depends up on Who versus Whom.

    “Who – whom?” is understood here at iSteve as being about identity politics (who’s getting screwed, and who’s doing the screwing), but leftists also practice it at the level of ideas, within leftism. So leftists tend to screw over other leftists and other leftist ideas, depending on which idea or subgroup they’re advocating at the moment, and which they aren’t.

  23. A (formerly) white country like France has an overwhelming non-white team. But it goes the other way too – 3 of the Nigerian team are half-white, and one is quarter Russian.

    Black/White mixes do very well in sports where lots of disparate skills are tested, like the Decathlon. Maybe soccer is one on those sports. The mix produces mesomorphs who are neither sumo-wide or beanpole-thin.

  24. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    'Hi, what do you do?'

    'I'm a government-appointed anti-racism expert.'

    'Okay, I gotta go now.'

    Talk about your squandered opportunities! Sentence three should read something more like, “man, do I need to bend your ear! I was assaulted by three Black guys who said “kill Whitey,” how do I raise awareness about this kind of hate crime?” From there you can start practicing your Norm MacDonald trolling skills.

  25. eah says:

    ‘Is Neymar Black?’

    Who fucking cares?

    can at least agree that Cishet White Males are Bad

    I wonder how white males with balls feel about that?

    The problem is, not only do they think white males are bad, they are fed a constant stream of media lies of commission and omission that reinforce that, and which have created a generation of low IQ, grudge-filled miscreants, many of whom believe things that are beyond absurd:

    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/rakn29/status/1015335398053117952
  26. I’ve been watching the tournament since the group stage. I will support the white teams like Croatia and Russia over the cuck Western Europeans, whose sides contain Arabs, blacks, and mulattoes masquerading as “Englishmen”, “Danes”, “Frenchmen” or “Swedes”.

    As for Neymar, if he isn’t constantly being blackity black Black enough for American leftist racial grievance mongers, he’s no good to them. Maybe he’s decided that he’s got a foot in both worlds, and he prefers the upper class white world more than the favela
    or American ghetto culture.

  27. @Dave Pinsen
    "Painful relativity about race"? I'm not sure racial attitudes in Brazil, even among self-identified blacks, map directly to American resentments. An anecdote that illustrates this, which I've probably mentioned here before: a friend and I were in a cafe in Rio de Janeiro when he wanted to ask for a plate and accidentally used the Portuguese word for "black" instead ("preto"). The black waitress very pleasantly corrected him, in the process pointing to her forearm to illustrate that "preto" meant black. There wasn't a hint of resentment or surliness in her demeanor when she did this.

    Latin (contra Chicano) chicks don’t show much of the surly feminist woke thing. Smiling and batting their lashes and being helpful is more their thing.

  28. I guess it’s beyond Americans to understand and appreciate football (I refuse to call it by the abominable name “soccer”) for what it is, so perhaps you guys need to stop dissecting the game and commenting on its extremely tangential aspects. You obviously have games you believe are superior to it, so just follow those games and leave the football-fans to their sport, rather than producing asinine articles and blog posts, whether it be in left-wing newspapers or alt-right websites. Clearly you cannot comment on the game without projecting your American racial and political hangups on every corner of the world.

    • Replies: @John Cunningham
    The late Frank DeFied had the all-time comment on soccer. A BBC guy asked him why soccer had never caught on In the US, unlike the rest of the world. "Its simple," said Frank. In the US we prefer sports like football, basebaii, and basketball because they rely on use of the hands. And remember, the use of the hands is what separates us from the beasts of the field."
    , @sb
    "Football " is a generic term .
    I often write " association football " when I need to refer to the game Americans and the majority of the English speaking world call " soccer ". But it usually depends on the audience ( like a lot of word choices ) .

    My understanding is that the term soccer was reasonably common in England till the 70s but then became a culture /class war issue and the toffs didn't see it as an issue worth going to the barricades over

    Although doesn't FIFA translate as International Federation of Association Football ?

    Anyway in speech I will generally use the local term .

    By the way Australians call what Americans call football " gridiron " .
    I've never known an American to take offense

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    That seems unfair. Here in America we support soccer and many other women's sports.
  29. @AnotherDad

    Segregation is bad but Integration is bad, too. It all depends up on Who versus Whom.
     
    This is continually one of these things that is obvious, but the left is never called out on.

    The clear take home of the Michael Brown thing, where the left/activists/blacks/Democrats/NYT were claiming it was the height of evil for the gentle giant to have to listen to a white--white!--police officer, in majority black Ferguson is obviously ...
    ok, then we shouldn't have integrated suburbs like Ferguson, but separate white and black communities with separate white and black police forces. (Works for me!)

    Yet, i never heard a single Republican pop up and make that point. "Hey if black men just can't--shouldn't--be policed by white cops, that means we should live segregated communities."

    ~~~

    Another recurrent is blacks self-segragating--especially in schools--and demanding "black stuff". I don't remember details, but a bunch of the demands during the 2016 campus micro-aggression madness was for more black stuff! Black organizations, black studies, separate black dorms, etc.

    Anyone paying attention in America the last 40 or 50, realizes that blacks actually do not want to integrate and become dark "whites". Blacks actually like being black. While there are a few middle class--especially Christian--blacks who are happy to adopt white middle-class behavior, most blacks really do not want to behave according to (repressive) white norms. They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks ... they just want white people to provide goodies.

    Segregation and Integration are both bad, BtW. They’re both unjustified big gov’t meddling in how people live their lives and manage their property. Big gov’t went from forcing Segregation down people’s throats, straight to forcing Integration down people’s throats. Note the salient constant – big gov’t power-grabs.

  30. @Flip
    "...because American whites hold themselves to an honor system when it comes to racial identity."

    I think it must be like during the draft for the Vietnam war. All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay, but very few straight people did it, presumably due to the stigma of being homosexual at the time.

    I think it must be like during the draft for the Vietnam war. All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay, but very few straight people did it, presumably due to the stigma of being homosexual at the time.

    Lenny Bruce tried this, but he waited till after Japan surrendered. Also, he “confessed” to desires, not acts.

  31. @Dave Pinsen
    "Painful relativity about race"? I'm not sure racial attitudes in Brazil, even among self-identified blacks, map directly to American resentments. An anecdote that illustrates this, which I've probably mentioned here before: a friend and I were in a cafe in Rio de Janeiro when he wanted to ask for a plate and accidentally used the Portuguese word for "black" instead ("preto"). The black waitress very pleasantly corrected him, in the process pointing to her forearm to illustrate that "preto" meant black. There wasn't a hint of resentment or surliness in her demeanor when she did this.

    Europeans, specifically the Portuguese and the Spanish, created a racial based hierarchy that become embedded in Central and South America. The lighter the skin, the more “rights and privileges” one received. The higher social classes of the natives, seeking to fit in with their invaders, I mean conquerors, I mean guests, bought into this system. Over the centuries, through “race realism propaganda” the lightening of one’s skin and the focus on darker skinned natives creating lighter-skinned offspring with whites was promoted.

    Racial mixing came about early in Brazil’s history. There is a “color”, not “race” hierarchy, in this nation. There was a controversial study conducted by the government in the 1970′s that perpetuated the European myth that “whiter is better”. It asked people to describe their skin color–respondents used at least 134 different terms. Moreover, the national census has five categories: indigenous, yellow, white, pardo (or brown) and preto, or dark-skinned.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/05/brazils-new-problem-with-blackness-affirmative-action/

    “Unlike in America, “miscegenation” played an integral role in Brazilian nation-building. White settlers skewed heavily male, and they were vastly outnumbered by people of color. Relationships between white settlers and indigenous, and latter black enslaved women, were not only accepted, but encouraged by colonial authorities (although for the women, they were rarely consensual). By 1872, whites made up only 38 percent of the population. If interracial relationships were widespread prior to the abolition of slavery in 1888, they became a matter of national duty afterward.”

    “That didn’t happen “just because we all happened to get along,” said Mirtes Santos, a law student and Coletivo Negrada member. “It was a way to erase black identity.” Brazil’s government launched a full-on propaganda and policy effort to “whiten” Brazil: It closed the country’s borders to African immigrants, denied black Brazilians the rights to lands inhabited by the descendants of runaway slaves, and subsidized the voyage of millions of German and Italian workers, providing them with citizenship, land grants, and stipends when they arrived.”

    • Agree: Okechukwu
    • Replies: @Karl
    20 Corvinus > The higher social classes of the natives, seeking to fit in with their invaders


    according to my understanding..... that's NOT what happened.

    What happened is that the remnants of the Maya happily joined the Spaniards in crushing the Aztecs who had enslaved and genocided them.
    , @AnotherDad
    In short, Brazil--like America, only worse--had really messed up with slavery. The whites in charge realized they had a big problem and developed a reasonable program to fix it.

    Not perfect. Better would have been sending slave descendants back to Africa, but that would have been very difficult to accomplish. Overall level-headed and reasonable like public policy is supposed to be.

    (Compared to the insane policies promoted by European and Anglo-sphere elites, these guys showed absolute genius!)
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    ...and subsidized the voyage of millions of German and Italian workers, providing them with citizenship, land grants, and stipends when they arrived.”
     
    Sorry to spoil the fun, but, as usual, this Black Power chick is exaggerating.

    The "subsidized voyage" was never for the "millions". Both in Brazil and in Argentina, it was tried as means to increase the immigration, and failed. The government didn't have money to make it work, and the quality of the subsidized immigrants was clearly inferior to that of the normal immigrants, so the program was dropped.

    The lands were mostly granted to private settlement companies, which then sold them to the immigrants (with some 20-30 years to pay) on contracts that often stipulated which improvements they had to do in the land during the time, on penalty of losing what they had already paid.

    The "stipend" was the right to be hosted in the Immigration Hotel for one week.

    Bear in mind that most of the immigrants didn't arrive to occupy new land in the frontier, but to substitute the slaves in the coffee farms of São Paulo. They were definitely not treated like precious European blood to redeem the nation.
  32. @AnotherDad

    Segregation is bad but Integration is bad, too. It all depends up on Who versus Whom.
     
    This is continually one of these things that is obvious, but the left is never called out on.

    The clear take home of the Michael Brown thing, where the left/activists/blacks/Democrats/NYT were claiming it was the height of evil for the gentle giant to have to listen to a white--white!--police officer, in majority black Ferguson is obviously ...
    ok, then we shouldn't have integrated suburbs like Ferguson, but separate white and black communities with separate white and black police forces. (Works for me!)

    Yet, i never heard a single Republican pop up and make that point. "Hey if black men just can't--shouldn't--be policed by white cops, that means we should live segregated communities."

    ~~~

    Another recurrent is blacks self-segragating--especially in schools--and demanding "black stuff". I don't remember details, but a bunch of the demands during the 2016 campus micro-aggression madness was for more black stuff! Black organizations, black studies, separate black dorms, etc.

    Anyone paying attention in America the last 40 or 50, realizes that blacks actually do not want to integrate and become dark "whites". Blacks actually like being black. While there are a few middle class--especially Christian--blacks who are happy to adopt white middle-class behavior, most blacks really do not want to behave according to (repressive) white norms. They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks ... they just want white people to provide goodies.

    Go woke, go broke. University of Missouri struggles with $50 million shortfall, reduced enrollment after racial protests. School cuts 185 positions in response to funding crisis.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/46322/

    • LOL: fish
  33. “But in America’s current ideological climate over who are the Bad Guys and who are the Good Guys…”

    That’s actually very easy if we only NOTICE. After all, race is not a social construct. Here is a handy-dandy guide to differentiate the “bad” from the “good” guys.

    BAD
    Trouble maker white –> Middle Eastern and Jewish

    We feel sorry for you because you are not white –> blacks, Asians, indigenous

    Fake white –> SJW, leftist, and/or feminist designation

    PROBABLY BAD
    Inferior white –> white + black or Asian or indigenous or mutt

    You may be white, but probably not –> those who are wiggers

    Wannabe whites –> those who lighten their skin to pass as white

    Nazi white –> those who are extremist whites or in the KKK or those who love Hitler

    PROBABLY GOOD
    White, but not white –> those who oppose the Alt Right but are not leftists or feminists

    Simply white –> whites who prefer not to be labeled as white…receive the label

    GOOD
    True white –> Alt Right designation

    Exceptional white –> Alt Right designation + trace ancestors directly from 13 colonies

    • Replies: @Truth

    True white –> Alt Right designation

    Exceptional white –> Alt Right designation + trace ancestors directly from 13 colonies
     

    I'm thinking a few more "bads" would go a long way toward white-folk's happiness

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/03/16/tranny-surprise-w-mike-cernovich/

    http://afropunk.com/2017/10/neo-nazi-milo-yiannopouloss-black-husband-proves-cant-help-love-white-supremacist-bullshit/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/14/matthew-heimbach-neo-nazi-white-nationalism-arrest-domestic-violence

  34. Americans need to stop using the honor system for whiteness. Take advantage of affirmative action until it goes away, particularly the Latino category. Every white person with a decent tan and dark hair needs to identify as Latino. I doubt they’ll be challenged no matter what their last name is.

  35. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Bad joke time.

    Q: What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in the middle of the ocean?

    A: Photo op.


    Bodies of three babies pulled out of sea after migrant boat sinks off coast of Libya

    Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies of three children being pulled out of the Mediterranean sea after an ‘explosion’ on inflatable boat just off the coast of Libya.

    The heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies being carried out by rescue workers near Garaboulli, east of Tripoli.

    Shortly later, they received the news that over 100 people were missing at sea in that same region.

     

    Belated warning. Link contains SHOCKING pictures of DEAD BABIES.

    P.S. Womp Womp

    Obviously you are not a holy man. Damn you to hell with your “joke”.

    Here something that’s REALLY funny, compliments of (Christian) Vox Day.

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?

    • Replies: @DFH

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?
     
    You would care about something bad happening to your own child, but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person's child
    Checkmate, Familyists!
    , @Hunsdon
    Thanks, Corvy! Now I know why we need to sink the damn ships.
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?"

    Yes, white Democratic voters in Portland OR would cheer, for example.

    The beauty, creativity, beauty, intelligence, beauty, civility, and beauty of whites is something to cherish, not drown in a bloody miasma of miscegenation and genocide.
    , @fish

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?
     
    Probably not! But there would be some who would.......


    I leave it the reader to figure out who!
    , @AnotherDad
    I was disappointed in Matteo Salvini simply stopping the Medcine Sans Frontiers ship from docking.

    Salvini should have let the ship dock, then had the Italian police go on board, seize the ship and arrest the crew for human-trafficing. (That is clearly what Medicine Sans Frontiers and these other NGOs are doing--providing the last link of trafficing to Europe.) (I'd hang the crews from the yard arm, but i realize AnotherDad consciousness is not universal, so arrest and trial for human trafficing will have to suffice.) Then have the Navy crew the ship, sail it back to Libya, disembark the invaders. The ship--seized under whatever RICO like statues Italy has for organized crime--should be used for invader capture operations, or simply sunk for artificial reef.

    While welcoming the change from full cucks it is not "based" to simply play hot potato with other Europeans--one of which will always seem to have a cucky government at one time or another.

    Rather nationalists--Italian nationalists on the front line--need to end the invasion.

    One of the (pathetic) tropes of the globalists is the flow "can not be stopped". It's not just false, but absolutely ridiculous. In all of human history there has never been a power imbalance between putuative invaders and the target of their conquest as gaping as this. Never.

    Not only can the invaders be stopped, they can be stopped easily by a fraction of the Italian Navy going out on patrol. Intercept the boats. Force them to turn back. Or board them. (If they refuse sink them.) Invaders towed or rescued back to Libya and dumped ashore. Boats sunk. Any trafficers found are arrested, bound, imprisoned--maybe some Devil's Island scenario somehwere. (It's a shame Europe has squashed the death penalty--that itself is a sign of an unserious place, unwilling to acknowledge it's right to squash attacks upon civilization.) That's it. When the operation is disrupted and can't get people to Europe, it will completely collapse. Problem solved.
  36. @AnotherDad

    Segregation is bad but Integration is bad, too. It all depends up on Who versus Whom.
     
    This is continually one of these things that is obvious, but the left is never called out on.

    The clear take home of the Michael Brown thing, where the left/activists/blacks/Democrats/NYT were claiming it was the height of evil for the gentle giant to have to listen to a white--white!--police officer, in majority black Ferguson is obviously ...
    ok, then we shouldn't have integrated suburbs like Ferguson, but separate white and black communities with separate white and black police forces. (Works for me!)

    Yet, i never heard a single Republican pop up and make that point. "Hey if black men just can't--shouldn't--be policed by white cops, that means we should live segregated communities."

    ~~~

    Another recurrent is blacks self-segragating--especially in schools--and demanding "black stuff". I don't remember details, but a bunch of the demands during the 2016 campus micro-aggression madness was for more black stuff! Black organizations, black studies, separate black dorms, etc.

    Anyone paying attention in America the last 40 or 50, realizes that blacks actually do not want to integrate and become dark "whites". Blacks actually like being black. While there are a few middle class--especially Christian--blacks who are happy to adopt white middle-class behavior, most blacks really do not want to behave according to (repressive) white norms. They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks ... they just want white people to provide goodies.

    They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks … they just want white people to provide goodies.

    As someone born just a few blocks and a few months away from the starting point of the 1967 Detroit riots, and who’s spent his entire life in close (too close!) proximity to millions of negroes, I can attest to this. The problem is that to get the goodies they’ve been trained to chase down the whites. It’s no different from any conditioned behavior is it? Whites have the goodies, so to get the goodies one must go to the whites. Think cargo cult.

    And the corollary is that most whites like being white, want to behave in traditional white ways, vastly prefer being around other whites, and generally just want to be left the hell alone.

    • Replies: @Truth

    As someone born just a few blocks and a few months away from the starting point of the 1967 Detroit riots,
     
    I think you meant the 1917 Ford assembly line riots, Stan.
    , @PaceLaw
    As someone else who was born in Detroit in 1967, I salute you! I’m African-American so the riots in Detroit are definitely a touchstone and a bitter remembrance for me and my family as well. From the black perspective, I wouldn’t say that blacks are trained to “chase down” whites, but that many feel that the black community has been cheated out of certain material benefits and opportunities (not that I agree with that outlook). A culture of eternal grievance is definitely at play in the black community.
  37. @istevefan

    … after abolition, the ruling class mounted a campaign to whiten the majority-black population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over four million white Europeans, giving them free land, and compelling Brazilians to take up with them.
     
    After 1965, the ruling class mounted a campaign to de-whiten the majority-white population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over 47 million non-Europeans, giving them diversity set-asides, and compelling the Americans to take up with them.

    After 1965, the ruling class mounted a campaign to de-whiten the majority-white population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over 47 million non-Europeans

    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.
     
    Who needs land when you get free everything from cradle to grave. The thing about land grants is that they don't do you any good unless you work really, really hard.
    , @Lot
    The population who received free federal land was not especially large, and the value of that land was not that high either.

    The big direct winners of free federal land were not "Europeans" but a few dozen railroad barons, plus speculators who didn't receive land for free, but for very low prices. All three groups provided valuable benefits to the United States. The orderly replication of English civilization from England to New England, then to most of North America is one of the greatest achievements of mankind.
    , @istevefan

    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.
     

    But our ruling class didn't just bring in 4 million like Brazil did. They have brought in over 47 million non-Europeans, and continue to bring them in at a rate of about a million per year with no letup in sight.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.
     
    I know you're taking the journalist's word, but she is lying. Most of the immigrants got no land at all, only the promise that if they worked hard they could save money to buy land. Most immigrants went to the state of São Paulo to work on coffee land owned by our elites.

    The people who got "free" land were those sent to the Southern frontier to populate the wilderness and discourage Argentinian landgrabbing. And by "free", read "sold to be paid in 20 years".
  38. In the ring of racial wrestling, Neymar’s comment would be called a “Reverse, full Rachael,” as in “I’m not black”, even though you are more so than Rachel Dolezal.

  39. @Lot
    Come on now, keep isteve comments classier than that. Also Beyonce is not my type of music but she has an objectively good voice and singing ability.

    Come on now, keep isteve comments classier than that. Also Beyonce is not my type of music but she has an objectively good voice and singing ability.

    Ouch! That one stung huh? You’ve never, in my 200,000 words of drivel here, not once complained about Obola (Obama), McStain (McCain), Tramp (Trump), Detoilet or Detriot (Detroit), Bidet (Biden), Chicongo (Chicago), TaNeezy (Ta Nehisi)or any of my myriad intentional mean misspellings. But Beyonkey is a bridge too far..

    Perhaps a bit more “your type” than you care to admit?

  40. If some of these comments about dead babies or Beyonce singing like a donkey go viral it will do more damage to the thoughtful work that Steve Sailer does.

    Delete the hateful comments. I can’t imagine what you have to read through but you should err on the side of getting rid of the nonsense.

    Tiny Duck makes me laugh and I appreciate good humor, but don’t let it go too far!

    • Troll: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Womp Womp: Jenner Ickham Errican
    , @ic1000
    Yes, better moderation please.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Agree. Steve should censor all links to trashy British tabloids.

    Just look at this example...

    mirror.co.uk [Proud to support Pride]

    Bodies of three tiny children ... WARNING - DISTRESSING IMAGES ... (caption:) A man carries the body of a baby ... Shocking images have emerged of the dozens of migrants who drowned ... Babies can be seen ... (caption:) The bodies of three young children ...

     

    It could provoke commentators to mockery. Possibly even a ... dead baby joke.
    , @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double
    "How do you do, fellow right-wingers..."
  41. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Bad joke time.

    Q: What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in the middle of the ocean?

    A: Photo op.


    Bodies of three babies pulled out of sea after migrant boat sinks off coast of Libya

    Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies of three children being pulled out of the Mediterranean sea after an ‘explosion’ on inflatable boat just off the coast of Libya.

    The heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies being carried out by rescue workers near Garaboulli, east of Tripoli.

    Shortly later, they received the news that over 100 people were missing at sea in that same region.

     

    Belated warning. Link contains SHOCKING pictures of DEAD BABIES.

    P.S. Womp Womp

    It worked a wonder the last time with just one dead kid on a beach. The hope is that this time it will work three times better! Italy and Hungary must NOT be allowed to stop the African invasion of Europe.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    it will work three times better

     

    It turns out to be only two. But that at least allows the plural, so they can say "babies".

    Libya migrant boat tragedy: Bodies of three tiny children brought ashore and 100 people feared dead after inflatable craft sinks

    100 people are feared dead
    the missing included two babies and three children under the age of 12

     

    That makes 2% babies and 3% children.
    Number of women not given. Maybe because there weren't any?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Stan, A dead child is a tragedy and in this case a photo op, and that is grotesque. A nine year old girl shot to death in Cleveland a week ago is not even news worthy, nor were the five year old boy, three year old boy and five month old girl all shot and killed in Cleveland two years ago. Why? I know why, rhetorical question.
  42. I’ve watched the market value of “whiteness” plummet in my own lifetime. I’m a pale northern middle easterner who is almost universally mistaken for a white person. This was something I quite liked as recently as maybe 5 years ago. Whiteness was the default in a sense and it felt safe to melt into the masses.

    Not so today. “Whiteness” reeks of awkward sexual impotence and general uncoolness. It feels like one is being made complicit in everything from trump to Nickelback to the slave trade.

    I can’t run the other way quickly enough. I trumpet my foreign sounding last name, put down “middle eastern” when asked for my race on paperwork and generally do more ethnic shit in and out of the home.

    While whiteness may draw in fringe elements in places like Brazil, it certainly doesn’t have the same draw here in the States.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    The only Arab I know changed his last name after 9/11. He paid me by check for something he bought from me, but the check had his Arabic name on it. I had no idea he had changed his name before that. Were I an Arab, I would change my name too.
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    'Whiteness reeks of awkward sexual impotence and general uncoolness.... I can’t run the other way quickly enough.'

    You watch a lot of (((TV))), don't you?

    And you're invisible to white women. Correct?

    And their inaccessibility torments you. Correct?

    These are real questions and I expect real answers.

    Because I'm pretty sure You Need To Go Back.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Sounds like whites caught your alien vibe, kept a certain personal ‘distance’ and now you’re irrevocably bitter. You’re not the first “pale northern middle easterner” to cut off his or her nose to spite their own face, nor will you be the last.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    This is actually a really good example of how much of modern politics has its basis in mental illness.
  43. @Corvinus
    Obviously you are not a holy man. Damn you to hell with your "joke".

    Here something that's REALLY funny, compliments of (Christian) Vox Day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwayjaEJTk4

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?

    You would care about something bad happening to your own child, but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person’s child
    Checkmate, Familyists!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You would care about something bad happening to your own child..."

    Yes.

    "but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person’s child."

    Care much less? Hardly. We, including Christians, would be sympathetic to their plight. We would demand humane treatment.

    Praytell, are you Christian? If yes, and you have this attitude, pray for forgiveness.
    , @jim jones
    Genetic relatedness is the basis of human behaviour
  44. Does Brazil have a fakestream media or a (((fakestream media)))? The Flight From White in the US is 95% stoked by our Europhobic media (and 5% by AA set-asides).

    Science proves mankind arose in Africa, so all Americans are African Americans. Now, you’re not against Science, are you? I mean, we don’t need a resurgence of the Salem witch trials, phrenology, and literally Hitler’s insane Aryan Superman theories.

    On any gubmint form, you are White African-American. Sciences proves it.

    On the 2020 census, you are NOT a US citizen if you live in a blue state — how deplorably provincial! You are a citizen of the world. In 2020 let’s shave a couple electoral votes off Cali, Oregon, Washington, and New York and hand them over to Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, maybe even the Dakotas.

    #worldcitizen2020

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    The number of da Joos is not super-relevant here, and they tend to be represented on both sides. Our problem is that we have the habit of copying everything stupid that you produce in the US, from hip-hop to racial quotas to open borders advocacy.
  45. Foreshadowing?

    “Mark Watson is a decidedly out-of-the-ordinary guy… half white and half… black.”

    Soul Man (1986).

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    The punchline is that C. Thomas Howell ended up marrying Rae Dawn Chong who if they had children would've been Asian-White-Black. The ramifications are stupefying.
  46. “… after abolition, the ruling class mounted a campaign to whiten the majority-black population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over four million white Europeans, giving them free land, and compelling Brazilians to take up with them.”

    In the Dominican Republic, this policy was known as mejorando la raza – improving the race.

  47. @Corvinus
    Europeans, specifically the Portuguese and the Spanish, created a racial based hierarchy that become embedded in Central and South America. The lighter the skin, the more “rights and privileges” one received. The higher social classes of the natives, seeking to fit in with their invaders, I mean conquerors, I mean guests, bought into this system. Over the centuries, through “race realism propaganda” the lightening of one’s skin and the focus on darker skinned natives creating lighter-skinned offspring with whites was promoted.

    Racial mixing came about early in Brazil’s history. There is a “color”, not “race” hierarchy, in this nation. There was a controversial study conducted by the government in the 1970′s that perpetuated the European myth that “whiter is better”. It asked people to describe their skin color–respondents used at least 134 different terms. Moreover, the national census has five categories: indigenous, yellow, white, pardo (or brown) and preto, or dark-skinned.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/05/brazils-new-problem-with-blackness-affirmative-action/

    “Unlike in America, “miscegenation” played an integral role in Brazilian nation-building. White settlers skewed heavily male, and they were vastly outnumbered by people of color. Relationships between white settlers and indigenous, and latter black enslaved women, were not only accepted, but encouraged by colonial authorities (although for the women, they were rarely consensual). By 1872, whites made up only 38 percent of the population. If interracial relationships were widespread prior to the abolition of slavery in 1888, they became a matter of national duty afterward."

    “That didn’t happen “just because we all happened to get along,” said Mirtes Santos, a law student and Coletivo Negrada member. “It was a way to erase black identity.” Brazil’s government launched a full-on propaganda and policy effort to “whiten” Brazil: It closed the country’s borders to African immigrants, denied black Brazilians the rights to lands inhabited by the descendants of runaway slaves, and subsidized the voyage of millions of German and Italian workers, providing them with citizenship, land grants, and stipends when they arrived.”

    20 Corvinus > The higher social classes of the natives, seeking to fit in with their invaders

    according to my understanding….. that’s NOT what happened.

    What happened is that the remnants of the Maya happily joined the Spaniards in crushing the Aztecs who had enslaved and genocided them.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "What happened is that the remnants of the Maya happily joined the Spaniards in crushing the Aztecs who had enslaved and genocided them."

    We are talking about Brazil here, not Mexico. Regardless, the Spaniards after taking care of the Aztecs intermarried with the local population and created a race based hierarchy.
  48. “Instead of having to laboriously work out via objective principles who in a situation is behaving better, you can just tell who is Good and who is Bad by looking at them or listening to them assert their identity claims.”

    This sounds a bit similar to Malcolm Gladwell’s thesis in Blink. You can just tell, but then, sometimes its good to pull back a bit and not notice when you’re not supposed to be woke.

    Ironically, in Brazil, wouldn’t Malcolm Gladwell pass for white? Whereas in the US/North America, Gladwell is…..is…..?
    Self-designated.

  49. @Lot
    Come on now, keep isteve comments classier than that. Also Beyonce is not my type of music but she has an objectively good voice and singing ability.

    Oh, come on now, stop with the This Present Day B.S. Compared to some black singer of real elegance and artistry, say Ella Fitzgerald, or Sarah Vaughn, this woman should properly be relegated to braying to hail taxicabs in front of a 5-star hotel. And she feels that it is so-o-o classy flaunting the flesh unlike true, black, female vocal artists of the past. Couple this with her Hate Cops i.e. YT routine at the Super Bowl, and it is really No Sale.

    Oh, and if you would like to add to the list of black females who have both superior pipes & taste, look no further than Jessye Norman. A few years back I had the priviledge to hear her perform Berlioz’ Les Nuits d’Etes with the Philadelphia Orchestra. Talk about sheer vocal mastery, coupled with interpretive genius.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    Or just about any of the Motown sisters.
    , @Anonymous
    As with Liza and her sister Lorna, Bey has a set of pipes. They just use them oddly.

    Lorna did some very nice backing vocals on the biggest Blondie album, Eat to the Beat. I only remembered because the local talk radio reminded us Debbie is 73 today.
    , @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZVQD9piv7A

    She isn't as bad as she sounds, much like Wagner.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Jessye Norman, seconded.
  50. @MG
    OT but pure gold:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8itF62yIJg

    PS: BBC tries to mislead with the headline.

    I don’t understand why this clip is so popular. I thought he did a poor job, missing many opportunities to turn the tables on her. Two examples:
    (1) when she calls him undemocratic, he could have called into question her definition of “democratic,” (which doesn’t mean, any longer in the EU, representative of the people);
    (2) when she blathers on about “European values”, he should have called her out on her presumption and insisted that European values are enshrined in EU laws and treaties, which Hungary is following, though not Germany.

    Pat Buchanan should spend his remaining years holding seminars for our people on debating/dealing with journalists.

    • Replies: @MG
    You are splitting hairs. He enunciated emphatically the central point: that Hungary will not surrender its sovereign right to decide who gets to come into the country. Sure, there were other points he could - and should - have made but let’s not knock his performance. How many other foreign ministers in Europe can you find who would stand up in this manner!
    , @istevefan
    You do realize English is not his native tongue? He did a heck of a job defending himself from an aggressive native speaker who used that to her advantage. I'd like to see him do that interview in Hungarian
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I think he did very well for someone put on the spot.
  51. Re AnotherDad’s comment on black integration…

    I wonder if this has had to do with the origins of the whites. In the US, you’ve had blacks potentially integrating into a basically Northern European country, while in Brazil, a basically Southern European country.

    Also, though I hate to speak ill of black churches, it’s occurred to me that black anabaptist protestantism, with its conflation of blackness with Israel and Christ and subsequent victimology, may have contributed uniquely and negatively to the relationship between whites and blacks, despite or because of its role in the civil rights movement.

  52. MG says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I don't understand why this clip is so popular. I thought he did a poor job, missing many opportunities to turn the tables on her. Two examples:
    (1) when she calls him undemocratic, he could have called into question her definition of "democratic," (which doesn't mean, any longer in the EU, representative of the people);
    (2) when she blathers on about "European values", he should have called her out on her presumption and insisted that European values are enshrined in EU laws and treaties, which Hungary is following, though not Germany.

    Pat Buchanan should spend his remaining years holding seminars for our people on debating/dealing with journalists.

    You are splitting hairs. He enunciated emphatically the central point: that Hungary will not surrender its sovereign right to decide who gets to come into the country. Sure, there were other points he could – and should – have made but let’s not knock his performance. How many other foreign ministers in Europe can you find who would stand up in this manner!

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    MG:

    Most if not all of the other European foreign ministers would gladly have taken the place of the BBC interrogator.

    The Hungarian foreign minister performed remarkably well in comparison to the usual duplicity of the other foreign ministers.
  53. OT:

    How can Merkel keep holding on?! Ugh! Frustrating!

    • Replies: @fish

    How can Merkel keep holding on?!
     
    The same reason the loser Clintons retain such influence over politics here......access to personal dirt on people!

    In the Clintons case, look into the FBI file scandal. With Merkel the STASI files that she inherited when East Germany crumbled!
  54. You think moreso than France? I guess it is a question of if they prefer higher frequency of distinct groups having representation in the squad versus a general mélange.

  55. @AnotherDad
    I know next to nothing about Brazil, but apparently, the 21st century trendline in Brazil:

    -- the Lula socialist win tapping the black vote
    -- the affirmative action stuff
    -- the massive corruption scandals in both Lula's administrator and his successor Dilma Rouseff
    -- the recession

    have kicked off a renewal of southern (whiter) successionist sentiment.

    ~~~

    BTW, it's interesting that in mixed Brazil the last two presidents are 2nd-generate immigrant whites--Dilma Rouseff (Bulgaria) and Michel Temer (Lebanese Maronite Christian)--unmixed 0% black.

    I don’t think any president in Brazil has had black ancestry, Lula included. It’s a lot like Mexico: whiter people naturally rise to the top.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    Mexico has actually gone backwards in this regard. Benito Juarez, for instance, was 100 percent Indian. It’s impossible to imagine such an individual being elected president of Mexico now.
    , @Bigman
    Lula more than likely has some African ancestry.
  56. @MG
    OT but pure gold:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8itF62yIJg

    PS: BBC tries to mislead with the headline.

    Who is that hack presstitute? Is that typ

  57. But the holders of Pokemon Points can at least agree that Cishet White Males are Bad, which does a lot to paper over the cracks in the Coalition of the Fringes.

    It’s almost as if they have chosen a scapegoat to unite against inside their own country.

    There might come a night when they will gang up and smash our shop windows. Wait a minute, they’re already doing that…

  58. Thank God the US will never become like Brazil.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Thank Allah.
  59. Obligatory Michael Jackson pictures:

  60. Met a Jamaican dude few years ago who was roughly same color, maybe a little lighter than Neymar. He was frustrated that in America he was considered black. He was considered white in Jamaica.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    He was frustrated that in America he was considered black. He was considered white in Jamaica.
     
    I’ve occasionally read accounts of similar dissonance in newcomers from various cultures. Is it a low IQ thing with them? Certainly your acquaintance had seen, in Jamaica, Hollywood movies with white actors—which generally don’t look (or sound) like mixed-race Jamaicans.
  61. @Numinous
    I guess it's beyond Americans to understand and appreciate football (I refuse to call it by the abominable name "soccer") for what it is, so perhaps you guys need to stop dissecting the game and commenting on its extremely tangential aspects. You obviously have games you believe are superior to it, so just follow those games and leave the football-fans to their sport, rather than producing asinine articles and blog posts, whether it be in left-wing newspapers or alt-right websites. Clearly you cannot comment on the game without projecting your American racial and political hangups on every corner of the world.

    The late Frank DeFied had the all-time comment on soccer. A BBC guy asked him why soccer had never caught on In the US, unlike the rest of the world. “Its simple,” said Frank. In the US we prefer sports like football, basebaii, and basketball because they rely on use of the hands. And remember, the use of the hands is what separates us from the beasts of the field.”

    • Replies: @BB753
    The challenge is being able to run and control the ball with your feet at the same time. It's very difficult. Far more difficult than running and dribbling the ball in basketball.
    Anybody's who's ever played soccer on an actual field knows that it takes a lot of stamina, balance, speed, spatial awareness, quick thinking and a lot of strength just to make a passable soccer player.
    And I'm not a even a soccer fan, preferring the subtle tactics and speed of handball. But anybody who says soccer is for sissies doesn't know what he's talking about.
  62. @Stan d Mute
    It worked a wonder the last time with just one dead kid on a beach. The hope is that this time it will work three times better! Italy and Hungary must NOT be allowed to stop the African invasion of Europe.

    it will work three times better

    It turns out to be only two. But that at least allows the plural, so they can say “babies”.

    Libya migrant boat tragedy: Bodies of three tiny children brought ashore and 100 people feared dead after inflatable craft sinks

    100 people are feared dead
    the missing included two babies and three children under the age of 12

    That makes 2% babies and 3% children.
    Number of women not given. Maybe because there weren’t any?

    • Replies: @Lot
    Women and children were last, 100% of them dead. 100% of the survivors were men.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/29/15/4DC1AF9F00000578-5901217-image-a-39_1530281468395.jpg

    It is getting really Camp of Sainty out there. The raw numbers are down quite a bit from 1-4 years ago. But Italy and Malta stopped taking them. Merkel is begging, and bribing and demanding Spain take them. But she could be out of power in the next week.
  63. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Bad joke time.

    Q: What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in the middle of the ocean?

    A: Photo op.


    Bodies of three babies pulled out of sea after migrant boat sinks off coast of Libya

    Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies of three children being pulled out of the Mediterranean sea after an ‘explosion’ on inflatable boat just off the coast of Libya.

    The heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies being carried out by rescue workers near Garaboulli, east of Tripoli.

    Shortly later, they received the news that over 100 people were missing at sea in that same region.

     

    Belated warning. Link contains SHOCKING pictures of DEAD BABIES.

    P.S. Womp Womp

    P.J. O’Roarke must be in charge of EU migration policy. Let us in or we’ll drown our babies

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
  64. Like virtually everything involving race in America, the lack of intelligence here is staggering. Brazil killed slaves by the millions, while America treated them well and they multiplied like flies. In Brazil they were fully disposable assets to be worked to death. In America they were quite expensive and thus fed, clothed, and housed better than the lowest class whites (whether “indentured servants” or not). America imported 400,000 and at Emancipation there were 4,800,000 of them. Brazil imported 4,900,000 (estimates as high as 12 million total died either there or en route) and at emancipation there were around 700,000 (https://www.britannica.com/place/Brazil/Independence).

    Yet Brazil is being lorded over us as an examplar of virtue while America (white america) epitomizes evil.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yet Brazil is being lorded over us as an examplar of virtue while America (white america) epitomizes evil.
     
    Brazil was smart enough to whiten the country somewhat through immigration. So were we.

    But then we blew it. The Brazilians held firm.

    That's why you won't hear, "Para espanhol, disca o numero dois."
    , @nebulafox
    Temporarily breaking my promise, because Brazil has always interested me...

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is... an interesting definition of "well", to say the least. It's more like differing levels of Dante's Inferno. But it is true that compared that the sheer culture of sadism that dominated sugar plantations in Brazil was on an entirely different level. The mortality rates of slaves there was such that it was genuinely cheaper for owners to import new slaves than to bring them up.

    There's a lot of reasons why Brazilian plantations were so brutal. A big one was that they were sent to cultivate sugar, a particularly thankless slave assignment. But another was the nature of the colony. The Portuguese were there to exploit, get rich, and go home, not build stable families and a society like the English. One interesting thing I've discovered is that although both the British and Portuguese had the practice of shipping convicts abroad, the nature of the criminals were radically different. The British sent debtors, drunks, the generally indigent, etc. There was a genuine idealistic intention that they'd turn over a new leaf abroad from themselves, and maybe even start families, given the sizable female convict contingent among prostitutes and petty thieves. And many did end up staying of their own free will.

    The Portuguese degradados, by contrast, were incorrigible, "professional" offenders: murderers, rapists, arsonists, violent robbers. Uniformly young, single, male, and malignant: and the Portuguese essentially dumped them on the shore and left them to their own devices, the only condition being that they don't dare try to come back. Portugal neither had the ability or inclination to discipline them. So they essentially had free reign to run wild. Naturally, that meant the slaves suffered.
    , @Truth

    Brazil killed slaves by the millions, while America treated them well and they multiplied like flies.
     
    You're right again, Stan. So right in fact that I believe you should be championing chattel slavery as a career move for your grandchildren.
    , @PaceLaw
    An astute, and factual, observation!
  65. @JerseyJeffersonian
    Oh, come on now, stop with the This Present Day B.S. Compared to some black singer of real elegance and artistry, say Ella Fitzgerald, or Sarah Vaughn, this woman should properly be relegated to braying to hail taxicabs in front of a 5-star hotel. And she feels that it is so-o-o classy flaunting the flesh unlike true, black, female vocal artists of the past. Couple this with her Hate Cops i.e. YT routine at the Super Bowl, and it is really No Sale.

    Oh, and if you would like to add to the list of black females who have both superior pipes & taste, look no further than Jessye Norman. A few years back I had the priviledge to hear her perform Berlioz' Les Nuits d'Etes with the Philadelphia Orchestra. Talk about sheer vocal mastery, coupled with interpretive genius.

    Or just about any of the Motown sisters.

  66. This World Cup already feels like the best one ever and we still have 12 games left.

    Mbappe (France) and Lukaku (Belgium) look the most dangerous of the strikers in this tournament.

    Ranking the favorites to win this World Cup:

    France
    Brazil
    England

  67. @Chrisnonymous
    I don't understand why this clip is so popular. I thought he did a poor job, missing many opportunities to turn the tables on her. Two examples:
    (1) when she calls him undemocratic, he could have called into question her definition of "democratic," (which doesn't mean, any longer in the EU, representative of the people);
    (2) when she blathers on about "European values", he should have called her out on her presumption and insisted that European values are enshrined in EU laws and treaties, which Hungary is following, though not Germany.

    Pat Buchanan should spend his remaining years holding seminars for our people on debating/dealing with journalists.

    You do realize English is not his native tongue? He did a heck of a job defending himself from an aggressive native speaker who used that to her advantage. I’d like to see him do that interview in Hungarian

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  68. @MG
    You are splitting hairs. He enunciated emphatically the central point: that Hungary will not surrender its sovereign right to decide who gets to come into the country. Sure, there were other points he could - and should - have made but let’s not knock his performance. How many other foreign ministers in Europe can you find who would stand up in this manner!

    MG:

    Most if not all of the other European foreign ministers would gladly have taken the place of the BBC interrogator.

    The Hungarian foreign minister performed remarkably well in comparison to the usual duplicity of the other foreign ministers.

  69. anonymous[699] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan d Mute

    All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay,
     
    Ah, but what if the examiner asked him to prove it? I think it would be more palatable to try and (badly) fail the IQ test.

    All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay

    It worked for Malcolm Little.

    • Replies: @Flip
    It was apparently true in his case.
  70. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Bad joke time.

    Q: What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in the middle of the ocean?

    A: Photo op.


    Bodies of three babies pulled out of sea after migrant boat sinks off coast of Libya

    Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies of three children being pulled out of the Mediterranean sea after an ‘explosion’ on inflatable boat just off the coast of Libya.

    The heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies being carried out by rescue workers near Garaboulli, east of Tripoli.

    Shortly later, they received the news that over 100 people were missing at sea in that same region.

     

    Belated warning. Link contains SHOCKING pictures of DEAD BABIES.

    P.S. Womp Womp

    bored identity would like to stress that White House still did not provide to public any information on Trump’s whereabouts at the time this horrendous tragedy occured.

    What’s Muellerquemada waiting for?!

  71. anonymous[699] • Disclaimer says:
    @trelane
    Thank God the US will never become like Brazil.

    Thank Allah.

  72. I just saw a photo of the Mexican presidential candidates. They’re like the four Oscar nominees of the apocalypse.

  73. @Bliss

    After 1965, the ruling class mounted a campaign to de-whiten the majority-white population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over 47 million non-Europeans
     
    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.

    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.

    Who needs land when you get free everything from cradle to grave. The thing about land grants is that they don’t do you any good unless you work really, really hard.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    And there’s this Inconvenient Truth:

    https://history.appstate.edu/sites/history.appstate.edu/files/Neil%20Canaday.pdf

    Negroes were no more eager to travel west of the Mississippi for free wilderness land than they were to return to Africa. Homesteading was not for the faint of heart.

    http://kalamu.com/neogriot/2016/10/04/history-history-of-the-african-american-repatriation-movements-to-liberia-sierra-leon-and-haiti/
    , @istevefan

    The thing about land grants is that they don’t do you any good unless you work really, really hard.
     
    Right. They act as though the land was already established as farms that were a going concern. In most cases the land was still wilderness and required extensive effort to clear out trees, stumps, rocks and other obstacles to get to the point where one could start to plow it for the first time. And don't forget you still had to build your own house. There was no guarantee for success and the amount of hard work and deprivation required to make it a go was enormous. That's why we refer to them as settlers and pioneers rather than immigrants.

    Here is a little bit about Lawrence Welk and what his family went through as homesteaders in North Dakota.


    The family lived on a homestead that is now a tourist attraction.They spent the cold North Dakota winter of their first year inside an upturned wagon covered in sod. Growing up speaking German and English, Welk left school during fourth grade to work full-time on the family farm
     
    Can you imagine spending the winter in North Dakota living in an upturned wagon covered in sod?
  74. @John Cunningham
    The late Frank DeFied had the all-time comment on soccer. A BBC guy asked him why soccer had never caught on In the US, unlike the rest of the world. "Its simple," said Frank. In the US we prefer sports like football, basebaii, and basketball because they rely on use of the hands. And remember, the use of the hands is what separates us from the beasts of the field."

    The challenge is being able to run and control the ball with your feet at the same time. It’s very difficult. Far more difficult than running and dribbling the ball in basketball.
    Anybody’s who’s ever played soccer on an actual field knows that it takes a lot of stamina, balance, speed, spatial awareness, quick thinking and a lot of strength just to make a passable soccer player.
    And I’m not a even a soccer fan, preferring the subtle tactics and speed of handball. But anybody who says soccer is for sissies doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

  75. Around the eyes, Neymar appears (to me) to sport something approaching an epicanthic fold which leads me to believe that he has a good deal of Amerindian genes. He looks quite gap-toothed also, which is another indicator.
    The incredible disappearing black population of Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil since their independence and reliance on self-assessment of colour in censuses thereafter has been subject matter for respectable academics if not forever then since at least the early 1980s when I became aware of this. From memory, around 20% of the population of Argentina was black at independence. In Uruguay the percentage was probably higher given the likelihood that it would act as a refuge for runaway slaves from southeastern Brazil. Yet the current level of blacks in those River Plate countries is negligible, perhaps due to mass immigration from Europe during the latter half of the C19. Brazil itself has had waves of voluntary immigration, with important groups like Japanese, Syrians and Eastern European Jews (the most lauded author is perhaps Clarice Lispector, born in Ukraine and described as – I paraphrase – looking like Greta Garbo and writing like Virginia Woolf) but insufficiently large to make any visible difference in the composition of the population to my eyes. The vastness of the slavery system there is mind boggling. A decent primer on it might be the BBC’s history series “Timewatch” programme on it:

    https://two-movies.name/watch_episode/Timewatch/19/2/

  76. @Lot
    Anti-whiteness gets quite explicit here:

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/06/summer-of-rage.html

    Anti-whiteness gets quite explicit here:

    Well surprise, surprise, surprise. I’m starting to notice a common thread here..

  77. @Corvinus
    Obviously you are not a holy man. Damn you to hell with your "joke".

    Here something that's REALLY funny, compliments of (Christian) Vox Day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwayjaEJTk4

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?

    Thanks, Corvy! Now I know why we need to sink the damn ships.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Thanks, Corvy! Now I know why we need to sink the damn ships."

    Obviously, you are not Christian, and have little regard for human life.
    , @Buck Turgidson
    That is how a man with a spine and reproductive parts represents and defends his nation and smashes a communist harpy. Most western politicians would whimper and crawl under their desk and let that nasty person give them a good thumping. Steve King would not stand for it but he is a rare breed of cat.
  78. @Joe, Averaged
    How much of UChicago’s new “admission interviews” are to get around affirmative action fraud - that is, white people not admitting they are white?

    How much of UChicago’s new “admission interviews” are to get around affirmative action fraud – that is, white people not admitting they are white?

    Didn’t iSteve just write that whites don’t do that? SOUL MAN was a movie, not real life.

    More interesting than your conjecture is the complete failure of the media to understand what elite universities are up to when they make the SAT optional: They can, sotto voce, encourage the diversity applicants to skip the test. Then it doesn’t affect the US News scores.

    But the possibility of such maneuvering never entered the minds of the journalists ‘reporting’ on the new policy.

    • Replies: @res

    They can, sotto voce, encourage the diversity applicants to skip the test. Then it doesn’t affect the US News scores.
     
    And the legacies and donation based applicants, if necessary.
  79. Anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, wokeness is a form of cognitive shorthand for determining who are the Good Guys and who are the Bad Guys. Instead of having to laboriously work out via objective principles who in a situation is behaving better, you can just tell who is Good and who is Bad by looking at them or listening to them assert their identity claims.

    This has the potential to become another quotable Sailerism like “Political correctness is a war on noticing,” but it needs to be shortened and honed to be catchier.

    “You’re woke when you judge people by their identity, not their actions.”

    Shorter, but not catchy.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    > Basically, wokeness is a form of cognitive shorthand for determining who are the Good Guys and who are the Bad Guys.

    Put another way, wokeness provides a fast and easy way for the good guys to stereotype. While stereotyping is inherently evil, it’s also good, when employed by the faithful of the Outer Party in the service of the Inner.
    , @res
    I thought it was just "who, whom?" Who being the Good Guys and whom the Bad Guys.

    “You’re woke when you judge people by their identity, not their actions.”
     
    But that is a nice, and more explicit, way to put it.

    Perhaps a nod to MLK:

    You’re woke when you judge people by the color of their skin, not by the content of their character.
  80. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Bad joke time.

    Q: What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in the middle of the ocean?

    A: Photo op.


    Bodies of three babies pulled out of sea after migrant boat sinks off coast of Libya

    Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies of three children being pulled out of the Mediterranean sea after an ‘explosion’ on inflatable boat just off the coast of Libya.

    The heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies being carried out by rescue workers near Garaboulli, east of Tripoli.

    Shortly later, they received the news that over 100 people were missing at sea in that same region.

     

    Belated warning. Link contains SHOCKING pictures of DEAD BABIES.

    P.S. Womp Womp

    I’m not going to bother with your links, but psychos like you make things easier for the bad guys. It’d hurt the bad guys to use my “false compassion” talking point, but people like you can’t even comprehend it much less have the smarts to use it.

    As for Neymar, I don’t care what color he is as long as he wins. The last BRA match had some missed connections but with the other big stars out he’s going to be extra hungry to make it happen.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    OK. Boat sinks. News agency obtains photographs of what appear to be dead babies helpfully posed for the camera by rescuers on the scene. News agency publishes story with said photographs containing the lines:
    "Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies", and
    "heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies".

    I modify a classic "dead baby" joke to ridicule said behavior.

    And I'm the one that is being psychopathic?
  81. @Stan d Mute
    It worked a wonder the last time with just one dead kid on a beach. The hope is that this time it will work three times better! Italy and Hungary must NOT be allowed to stop the African invasion of Europe.

    Stan, A dead child is a tragedy and in this case a photo op, and that is grotesque. A nine year old girl shot to death in Cleveland a week ago is not even news worthy, nor were the five year old boy, three year old boy and five month old girl all shot and killed in Cleveland two years ago. Why? I know why, rhetorical question.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    Once again Joe, you are my favorite commenter here. And there are quite a few good ones. Happy Fourth of July!
    , @Reg Cæsar

    A nine year old girl shot to death in Cleveland a week ago is not even news worthy, nor were the five year old boy, three year old boy and five month old girl all shot and killed in Cleveland two years ago.
     
    Perhaps they should take to small boats and cross Erie to Ontario.

    They could be the next Lombardos and Gretzkys.
  82. JMcG says:

    We had a diversity workshop at work a few years ago. All in attendance were men, mostly white with a scattering of blacks. We were given the profiles of four people, a rich black family man, a rich white homosexual man, a rich black woman, and a poor Hispanic woman. We were told to pick which of the profiles we would choose to inhabit if given a choice.
    To a man, every white guy there chose to be a white homosexual.
    The black guys were pissed.
    They never had that workshop again.

  83. @Corvinus
    Europeans, specifically the Portuguese and the Spanish, created a racial based hierarchy that become embedded in Central and South America. The lighter the skin, the more “rights and privileges” one received. The higher social classes of the natives, seeking to fit in with their invaders, I mean conquerors, I mean guests, bought into this system. Over the centuries, through “race realism propaganda” the lightening of one’s skin and the focus on darker skinned natives creating lighter-skinned offspring with whites was promoted.

    Racial mixing came about early in Brazil’s history. There is a “color”, not “race” hierarchy, in this nation. There was a controversial study conducted by the government in the 1970′s that perpetuated the European myth that “whiter is better”. It asked people to describe their skin color–respondents used at least 134 different terms. Moreover, the national census has five categories: indigenous, yellow, white, pardo (or brown) and preto, or dark-skinned.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/05/brazils-new-problem-with-blackness-affirmative-action/

    “Unlike in America, “miscegenation” played an integral role in Brazilian nation-building. White settlers skewed heavily male, and they were vastly outnumbered by people of color. Relationships between white settlers and indigenous, and latter black enslaved women, were not only accepted, but encouraged by colonial authorities (although for the women, they were rarely consensual). By 1872, whites made up only 38 percent of the population. If interracial relationships were widespread prior to the abolition of slavery in 1888, they became a matter of national duty afterward."

    “That didn’t happen “just because we all happened to get along,” said Mirtes Santos, a law student and Coletivo Negrada member. “It was a way to erase black identity.” Brazil’s government launched a full-on propaganda and policy effort to “whiten” Brazil: It closed the country’s borders to African immigrants, denied black Brazilians the rights to lands inhabited by the descendants of runaway slaves, and subsidized the voyage of millions of German and Italian workers, providing them with citizenship, land grants, and stipends when they arrived.”

    In short, Brazil–like America, only worse–had really messed up with slavery. The whites in charge realized they had a big problem and developed a reasonable program to fix it.

    Not perfect. Better would have been sending slave descendants back to Africa, but that would have been very difficult to accomplish. Overall level-headed and reasonable like public policy is supposed to be.

    (Compared to the insane policies promoted by European and Anglo-sphere elites, these guys showed absolute genius!)

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Overall level-headed and reasonable like public policy is supposed to be."

    Are you referring to a society based on a strict racial hierarchy? If yes, that is NOT "level headed" and "reasonable public policy".

    Praytell, if you are Christian, how does this arrangement fall in line with Scripture?
  84. Lot says:
    @Bliss

    After 1965, the ruling class mounted a campaign to de-whiten the majority-white population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over 47 million non-Europeans
     
    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.

    The population who received free federal land was not especially large, and the value of that land was not that high either.

    The big direct winners of free federal land were not “Europeans” but a few dozen railroad barons, plus speculators who didn’t receive land for free, but for very low prices. All three groups provided valuable benefits to the United States. The orderly replication of English civilization from England to New England, then to most of North America is one of the greatest achievements of mankind.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The orderly replication of English civilization from England to New England, then to most of North America ...
     
    ...and Hawaii...

    https://lovingthebigisland.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/and-also-with-frank329.jpg

    https://lovingthebigisland.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/and-also-with-frank332.jpg?w=300&h=254

    , @Bliss

    The population who received free federal land was not especially large
     
    Wrong. It was very large, especially considering that the total population then was a fraction of what it is now. And the amount of land given away for free was humongous: more than the land area of the states of California and Texas combined.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Acts

    In all, more than 270 million acres of public land, or nearly 10% of the total area of the U.S., was given away free to 1.6 million homesteaders; most of the homesteads were west of the Mississippi River.

    Considering that practically all homesteaders were families and the average size of the family was much higher than today, the number of homesteaders must have been over 10 million.
  85. @Rosie

    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.
     
    Who needs land when you get free everything from cradle to grave. The thing about land grants is that they don't do you any good unless you work really, really hard.

    And there’s this Inconvenient Truth:

    https://history.appstate.edu/sites/history.appstate.edu/files/Neil%20Canaday.pdf

    Negroes were no more eager to travel west of the Mississippi for free wilderness land than they were to return to Africa. Homesteading was not for the faint of heart.

    http://kalamu.com/neogriot/2016/10/04/history-history-of-the-african-american-repatriation-movements-to-liberia-sierra-leon-and-haiti/

  86. JMcG says:
    @ElitistSettler
    I've watched the market value of "whiteness" plummet in my own lifetime. I'm a pale northern middle easterner who is almost universally mistaken for a white person. This was something I quite liked as recently as maybe 5 years ago. Whiteness was the default in a sense and it felt safe to melt into the masses.

    Not so today. "Whiteness" reeks of awkward sexual impotence and general uncoolness. It feels like one is being made complicit in everything from trump to Nickelback to the slave trade.

    I can't run the other way quickly enough. I trumpet my foreign sounding last name, put down "middle eastern" when asked for my race on paperwork and generally do more ethnic shit in and out of the home.

    While whiteness may draw in fringe elements in places like Brazil, it certainly doesn't have the same draw here in the States.

    The only Arab I know changed his last name after 9/11. He paid me by check for something he bought from me, but the check had his Arabic name on it. I had no idea he had changed his name before that. Were I an Arab, I would change my name too.

  87. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian
    Oh, come on now, stop with the This Present Day B.S. Compared to some black singer of real elegance and artistry, say Ella Fitzgerald, or Sarah Vaughn, this woman should properly be relegated to braying to hail taxicabs in front of a 5-star hotel. And she feels that it is so-o-o classy flaunting the flesh unlike true, black, female vocal artists of the past. Couple this with her Hate Cops i.e. YT routine at the Super Bowl, and it is really No Sale.

    Oh, and if you would like to add to the list of black females who have both superior pipes & taste, look no further than Jessye Norman. A few years back I had the priviledge to hear her perform Berlioz' Les Nuits d'Etes with the Philadelphia Orchestra. Talk about sheer vocal mastery, coupled with interpretive genius.

    As with Liza and her sister Lorna, Bey has a set of pipes. They just use them oddly.

    Lorna did some very nice backing vocals on the biggest Blondie album, Eat to the Beat. I only remembered because the local talk radio reminded us Debbie is 73 today.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Heh.

    I saw Cabaret (or actually, about ten minutes of it, I've seen it a number of times) on TCM a couple of nights ago at a friend's house. (I don't have cable.) Liza Minnelli was, not "beautiful", but cute and endearing in a way when she was young. 45 years and four marriages to men who prefer the sausage to the fish have stripmined the cuteness and endearingness out pretty bad.

    Another thing-Liza May Minnelli- another LMM to be an iSteve acronym? She does look a little like the younger Muffett, doesn't she? Or vice versa.
  88. Lot says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    it will work three times better

     

    It turns out to be only two. But that at least allows the plural, so they can say "babies".

    Libya migrant boat tragedy: Bodies of three tiny children brought ashore and 100 people feared dead after inflatable craft sinks

    100 people are feared dead
    the missing included two babies and three children under the age of 12

     

    That makes 2% babies and 3% children.
    Number of women not given. Maybe because there weren't any?

    Women and children were last, 100% of them dead. 100% of the survivors were men.

    It is getting really Camp of Sainty out there. The raw numbers are down quite a bit from 1-4 years ago. But Italy and Malta stopped taking them. Merkel is begging, and bribing and demanding Spain take them. But she could be out of power in the next week.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    Women actually are mentioned:


    Up to 15 women were on board the vessel

     

    13% women
    2% babies
    3% children
    83% men
  89. @Buffalo Joe
    Stan, A dead child is a tragedy and in this case a photo op, and that is grotesque. A nine year old girl shot to death in Cleveland a week ago is not even news worthy, nor were the five year old boy, three year old boy and five month old girl all shot and killed in Cleveland two years ago. Why? I know why, rhetorical question.

    Once again Joe, you are my favorite commenter here. And there are quite a few good ones. Happy Fourth of July!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    JMcG, Thank you and I write from my heart. Careful with the fireworks, remember Jason Pierre-Paul of the NY Giants and his amputated digits.
  90. @Stan d Mute
    Like virtually everything involving race in America, the lack of intelligence here is staggering. Brazil killed slaves by the millions, while America treated them well and they multiplied like flies. In Brazil they were fully disposable assets to be worked to death. In America they were quite expensive and thus fed, clothed, and housed better than the lowest class whites (whether “indentured servants” or not). America imported 400,000 and at Emancipation there were 4,800,000 of them. Brazil imported 4,900,000 (estimates as high as 12 million total died either there or en route) and at emancipation there were around 700,000 (https://www.britannica.com/place/Brazil/Independence).

    Yet Brazil is being lorded over us as an examplar of virtue while America (white america) epitomizes evil.

    Yet Brazil is being lorded over us as an examplar of virtue while America (white america) epitomizes evil.

    Brazil was smart enough to whiten the country somewhat through immigration. So were we.

    But then we blew it. The Brazilians held firm.

    That’s why you won’t hear, “Para espanhol, disca o numero dois.”

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    "Somewhat" understates it. The policy succeeded to an extent beyond what any of the originators could have envisioned. Greater Sao Paulo alone probably has more people of Italian or German ethnicity than any corresponding city in modern Italy or Germany. On the non-European side of things, Brazil also hosts the largest Japanese community outside of Japan, as well as a very high-octane Maronite Lebanese (why is it that they do well no matter where they end up? Serious question-Mexico, US, Brazil, anywhere you go, Maronites do great economically) demographic. To put this in context, Brazil in the 1800s made antebellum South Carolina look as white as Poland, such was the demographics. It still has more black people than any country save Nigeria.

    The other side of the equation was that, unlike the US, the Brazilians very actively tried to get upwardly mobile Afro-Brazilians to intermarry into the white populace-the idea being that over the course of several generations, it would be bred out. Theodore Roosevelt wrote a scientific article on it after his Presidency when he was exploring the Amazon. I believe it is on this website somewhere.

    As for its Spanish neighbors in the modern era, I don't think Brazil has ever dealt with mass working-class immigration from poorer South American countries like richer Southern Cone neighbors like Argentina has. Probably a lot of reasons. Brazil already has a massively poor population in the Bahia to satisfy cheap labor demands from the plutocratic class. Brazil's got endless jungle separating the major population centers from Bolivia, Peru, etc,. Brazil had an awkward relationship with a lot of other governments during the Cold War, not least because Brazil understandably saw itself as a rising potential big power. (One interesting note: Brazil and the US collaborated in anti-Allende intelligence actions during the Medici era. Anti-Communism and everything sure, but Brazil was also interested in becoming a regional hegemon.)

    Brazil is also, culturally speaking, very much "separate" from the rest of the world-very idiosyncratic. Gigantic country. Much like the United States in this regard, actually. Why would an impoverished Bolivian head there rather than Chile or Argentina-where they aren't even probably richer than Brazil, but even speak the same language?

    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    But then we blew it. The Brazilians held firm.
     
    Sadly, Brazil didn't. The Brazilian government and intelligentsia are just as dazed by Immigration Redemption as you in America.

    We don't have that many immigrants not due to policy, but because (1) we are not wealthy enough to attract them, (2) we speak a language almost nobody even knows exist, (3) we are far away from everywhere, (4) the country is so violent that even Angolans and Mozambicans think twice before coming, and (5) the government is so incompetent that fails at its efforts to bring and fixate Diverses.
  91. @Lot
    The population who received free federal land was not especially large, and the value of that land was not that high either.

    The big direct winners of free federal land were not "Europeans" but a few dozen railroad barons, plus speculators who didn't receive land for free, but for very low prices. All three groups provided valuable benefits to the United States. The orderly replication of English civilization from England to New England, then to most of North America is one of the greatest achievements of mankind.

    The orderly replication of English civilization from England to New England, then to most of North America …

    …and Hawaii…

  92. @Bliss

    After 1965, the ruling class mounted a campaign to de-whiten the majority-white population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over 47 million non-Europeans
     
    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.

    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.

    But our ruling class didn’t just bring in 4 million like Brazil did. They have brought in over 47 million non-Europeans, and continue to bring them in at a rate of about a million per year with no letup in sight.

  93. @DFH

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?
     
    You would care about something bad happening to your own child, but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person's child
    Checkmate, Familyists!

    “You would care about something bad happening to your own child…”

    Yes.

    “but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person’s child.”

    Care much less? Hardly. We, including Christians, would be sympathetic to their plight. We would demand humane treatment.

    Praytell, are you Christian? If yes, and you have this attitude, pray for forgiveness.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @DFH

    Moreover there is yet another reason for which, out of charity, we love more those who are more nearly connected with us, since we love them in more ways. For, towards those who are not connected with us we have no other friendship than charity, whereas for those who are connected with us, we have certain other friendships, according to the way in which they are connected. Now since the good on which every other friendship of the virtuous is based, is directed, as to its end, to the good on which charity is based, it follows that charity commands each act of another friendship, even as the art which is about the end commands the art which is about the means. Consequently this very act of loving someone because he is akin or connected with us, or because he is a fellow-countryman or for any like reason that is referable to the end of charity, can be commanded by charity, so that, out of charity both eliciting and commanding, we love in more ways those who are more nearly connected with us.
     
    http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3026.htm#article7
    , @AnotherDad

    “You would care about something bad happening to your own child…”
    Yes.
    “but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person’s child.”
    Care much less? Hardly. We, including Christians, would be sympathetic to their plight. We would demand humane treatment.
    Praytell, are you Christian? If yes, and you have this attitude, pray for forgiveness
     
    You're a loon Corny. And a liar. And a drama queen.

    It is human nature to care much, much, much more about your own children than some other random persons. In plain fact, if this was not the case our lives would ones of unceasing pain.
  94. @Hunsdon
    Thanks, Corvy! Now I know why we need to sink the damn ships.

    “Thanks, Corvy! Now I know why we need to sink the damn ships.”

    Obviously, you are not Christian, and have little regard for human life.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Excommunicated by Pope Corvy! I like your new turn of pretending to be a Christian, Corvy. It's a change from your usual line. Will you keep it up?
    , @DFH
    https://ii.yuki.la/f/28/4f26077a1c5af9aeb2d3bbafb16632dc40c067c821d13309fc4bc416a102e28f.jpg
  95. @Rosie

    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.
     
    Who needs land when you get free everything from cradle to grave. The thing about land grants is that they don't do you any good unless you work really, really hard.

    The thing about land grants is that they don’t do you any good unless you work really, really hard.

    Right. They act as though the land was already established as farms that were a going concern. In most cases the land was still wilderness and required extensive effort to clear out trees, stumps, rocks and other obstacles to get to the point where one could start to plow it for the first time. And don’t forget you still had to build your own house. There was no guarantee for success and the amount of hard work and deprivation required to make it a go was enormous. That’s why we refer to them as settlers and pioneers rather than immigrants.

    Here is a little bit about Lawrence Welk and what his family went through as homesteaders in North Dakota.

    The family lived on a homestead that is now a tourist attraction.They spent the cold North Dakota winter of their first year inside an upturned wagon covered in sod. Growing up speaking German and English, Welk left school during fourth grade to work full-time on the family farm

    Can you imagine spending the winter in North Dakota living in an upturned wagon covered in sod?

  96. “Whatever the interpretation, Neymar’s words revealed the tricky, often contradictory ways that many Brazilians talk, and fail to talk, about race in a country with the largest population of black descendants outside of Africa”

    Isn’t that because the vast majority of slaves in the Atlantic slave trade went to Brazil?

    America received at most 5% of the slaves and yet gets 100% of the scorn.

  97. If you can stomach it :

    I think Cindy has to pee .

  98. Like Crowley’s supporters, he’s “white-presenting”.

  99. @Corvinus
    Obviously you are not a holy man. Damn you to hell with your "joke".

    Here something that's REALLY funny, compliments of (Christian) Vox Day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwayjaEJTk4

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?

    “Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?”

    Yes, white Democratic voters in Portland OR would cheer, for example.

    The beauty, creativity, beauty, intelligence, beauty, civility, and beauty of whites is something to cherish, not drown in a bloody miasma of miscegenation and genocide.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Yes, white Democratic voters in Portland OR would cheer, for example."

    An ultra liberal constituent laughing at children dying? Now you're just trolling.

    "The beauty, creativity, beauty, intelligence, beauty, civility, and beauty of whites is something to cherish, not drown in a bloody miasma of miscegenation and genocide."

    The beauty of the human race is what matters.
    Race mixing is not genocide.
    So how does race mixing personally impact you and your family?
  100. @Dave Pinsen
    "Painful relativity about race"? I'm not sure racial attitudes in Brazil, even among self-identified blacks, map directly to American resentments. An anecdote that illustrates this, which I've probably mentioned here before: a friend and I were in a cafe in Rio de Janeiro when he wanted to ask for a plate and accidentally used the Portuguese word for "black" instead ("preto"). The black waitress very pleasantly corrected him, in the process pointing to her forearm to illustrate that "preto" meant black. There wasn't a hint of resentment or surliness in her demeanor when she did this.

    Only in the us and a few other feminized, childish nations that are hypersensitive about race do people dream up imaginary slights and wet themselves over such things.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    My girlfriend and her friends (Singaporeans) regularly joke with each other about their varying ethnic stereotypes in a manner that would get them immediately in trouble with any American HR hag.
  101. @Hunsdon
    Thanks, Corvy! Now I know why we need to sink the damn ships.

    That is how a man with a spine and reproductive parts represents and defends his nation and smashes a communist harpy. Most western politicians would whimper and crawl under their desk and let that nasty person give them a good thumping. Steve King would not stand for it but he is a rare breed of cat.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    When did Steve King say about supporting blowing up ships with refugees?
  102. @ElitistSettler
    I've watched the market value of "whiteness" plummet in my own lifetime. I'm a pale northern middle easterner who is almost universally mistaken for a white person. This was something I quite liked as recently as maybe 5 years ago. Whiteness was the default in a sense and it felt safe to melt into the masses.

    Not so today. "Whiteness" reeks of awkward sexual impotence and general uncoolness. It feels like one is being made complicit in everything from trump to Nickelback to the slave trade.

    I can't run the other way quickly enough. I trumpet my foreign sounding last name, put down "middle eastern" when asked for my race on paperwork and generally do more ethnic shit in and out of the home.

    While whiteness may draw in fringe elements in places like Brazil, it certainly doesn't have the same draw here in the States.

    ‘Whiteness reeks of awkward sexual impotence and general uncoolness…. I can’t run the other way quickly enough.’

    You watch a lot of (((TV))), don’t you?

    And you’re invisible to white women. Correct?

    And their inaccessibility torments you. Correct?

    These are real questions and I expect real answers.

    Because I’m pretty sure You Need To Go Back.

  103. OT: Should horrific stories like the one about a maniac who stabbed refugee toddlers at a birthday party in Boise be translated into Spanish and placed in newspapers south of the border?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/us/mass-stabbing-boise-idaho.amp.html

    There’s no safety in America! Stay home!

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    White guy = Hate Crime. Black guy = systemic racism.
  104. @Stan d Mute

    All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay,
     
    Ah, but what if the examiner asked him to prove it? I think it would be more palatable to try and (badly) fail the IQ test.

    Ah, but what if the examiner asked him to prove it?

    I don’t know about VN era draft procedures, but in the late ’80′s after we got to Basic the sergeants told us that if we wanted to “cry gay” in order to go back home we had to have multiple sessions with a shrink and describe “activities and encounters” in order to prove gayness.

    No one I knew took that way out. We did have one boy go psychotic and try to attack a couple of sergeants.

  105. Anonymous[177] • Disclaimer says:

    Comparing Beyoncer’s singing to a donkey’s would only be a SCANDALOUS, RAYCISS FAUX-PAS in a hatefact, Emperor’s New Clothes context that revealed her vocal shoddiness in spite of tastemaker protection. Very unfortunately, there are tens of MILLIONS of consumers who love her dread braying, which sounds like if Hamas and Logan’s Run had a baby– so there is not only nothing “embarrassing to the movement” about the original crack, to even have the reflex to tone-police it is totally gay!

  106. O/T but I thought iSteve and his fans would like this one.

    “The defining words on immigration should come from the Statue of Liberty …”

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    The defining issue of immigration should be America's national interests at the given time. Short, straight, and to the point. All else is insipid bilge.
    , @Colin Wright
    “The defining words on immigration should come from the Statue of Liberty …”

    What gets my goat about that is that the whole thing isn't even our idea. France gave us the statue.

    ...appreciate the compliment, but it hardly binds us to anything. It's as if a girl says 'gee Colin, you're so brave.' Okay, thanks -- but it doesn't follow that I'm obligated to head down to the local barrio and clean out any and all gangbangers by myself with my bare hands.

    Frankly, I think we should give the statue back. All the rooms are nicely filled now. No, we don't want your poor, your...

    Not any more. No offense. Why should we? Is the idea that we simply leave the gate open until the standard of living here has sunk to that of Bangladesh and no one has any reason to come here any more?

    ...because that is what will happen. Water seeks its own level. It's not hard to figure out.
    , @Rob McX
    An instruction manual in rhyming couplets on how to turn your country into the world's flophouse, written by a committed Zionist.
  107. @AndrewR
    I don't think any president in Brazil has had black ancestry, Lula included. It's a lot like Mexico: whiter people naturally rise to the top.

    Mexico has actually gone backwards in this regard. Benito Juarez, for instance, was 100 percent Indian. It’s impossible to imagine such an individual being elected president of Mexico now.

  108. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian
    Oh, come on now, stop with the This Present Day B.S. Compared to some black singer of real elegance and artistry, say Ella Fitzgerald, or Sarah Vaughn, this woman should properly be relegated to braying to hail taxicabs in front of a 5-star hotel. And she feels that it is so-o-o classy flaunting the flesh unlike true, black, female vocal artists of the past. Couple this with her Hate Cops i.e. YT routine at the Super Bowl, and it is really No Sale.

    Oh, and if you would like to add to the list of black females who have both superior pipes & taste, look no further than Jessye Norman. A few years back I had the priviledge to hear her perform Berlioz' Les Nuits d'Etes with the Philadelphia Orchestra. Talk about sheer vocal mastery, coupled with interpretive genius.

    She isn’t as bad as she sounds, much like Wagner.

  109. Meanwhile, in other news…Trump worshipped as God -

  110. @Stan d Mute
    Like virtually everything involving race in America, the lack of intelligence here is staggering. Brazil killed slaves by the millions, while America treated them well and they multiplied like flies. In Brazil they were fully disposable assets to be worked to death. In America they were quite expensive and thus fed, clothed, and housed better than the lowest class whites (whether “indentured servants” or not). America imported 400,000 and at Emancipation there were 4,800,000 of them. Brazil imported 4,900,000 (estimates as high as 12 million total died either there or en route) and at emancipation there were around 700,000 (https://www.britannica.com/place/Brazil/Independence).

    Yet Brazil is being lorded over us as an examplar of virtue while America (white america) epitomizes evil.

    Temporarily breaking my promise, because Brazil has always interested me…

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is… an interesting definition of “well”, to say the least. It’s more like differing levels of Dante’s Inferno. But it is true that compared that the sheer culture of sadism that dominated sugar plantations in Brazil was on an entirely different level. The mortality rates of slaves there was such that it was genuinely cheaper for owners to import new slaves than to bring them up.

    There’s a lot of reasons why Brazilian plantations were so brutal. A big one was that they were sent to cultivate sugar, a particularly thankless slave assignment. But another was the nature of the colony. The Portuguese were there to exploit, get rich, and go home, not build stable families and a society like the English. One interesting thing I’ve discovered is that although both the British and Portuguese had the practice of shipping convicts abroad, the nature of the criminals were radically different. The British sent debtors, drunks, the generally indigent, etc. There was a genuine idealistic intention that they’d turn over a new leaf abroad from themselves, and maybe even start families, given the sizable female convict contingent among prostitutes and petty thieves. And many did end up staying of their own free will.

    The Portuguese degradados, by contrast, were incorrigible, “professional” offenders: murderers, rapists, arsonists, violent robbers. Uniformly young, single, male, and malignant: and the Portuguese essentially dumped them on the shore and left them to their own devices, the only condition being that they don’t dare try to come back. Portugal neither had the ability or inclination to discipline them. So they essentially had free reign to run wild. Naturally, that meant the slaves suffered.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is… an interesting definition of “well”, to say the least. It’s more like differing levels of Dante’s Inferno.
     
    Given that slavery is a manifest evil, treating one’s slaves “well” is self-evidently a relative proposition. And as I was explicitly comparing Brazil to America, it was even more obvious. The numbers speak for themselves. Brazilian slavery was more akin to Arab slavery than to English slavery and even within the sub-genre of English slavery negroes cost much more than white slaves. Sheer common sense dictates you treat more expensive property better than cheap property.

    Michael Hoffman, a historian Ron Unz has given some attention to here recently, has an interesting book “They Were White and They Were Slaves” that provides a comparison of negro vs white slaves in America. There’s a full PDF here: http://www.solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/they-were-white-and-they-were-slaves-michael-a-hoffman-ii.pdf. It may also be on Unz.org, but a quick peek didn’t reveal it to me.
    , @DFH

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is… an interesting definition of “well”, to say the least. It’s more like differing levels of Dante’s Inferno.
     
    Slavery in the US wasn't any level of the Inferno. Being deprived of freedom is not nice and wrong, but materially their living standards were quite good and probably better than European peasants of the time.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/slavery-in-the-united-states/
  111. @Reg Cæsar

    Yet Brazil is being lorded over us as an examplar of virtue while America (white america) epitomizes evil.
     
    Brazil was smart enough to whiten the country somewhat through immigration. So were we.

    But then we blew it. The Brazilians held firm.

    That's why you won't hear, "Para espanhol, disca o numero dois."

    “Somewhat” understates it. The policy succeeded to an extent beyond what any of the originators could have envisioned. Greater Sao Paulo alone probably has more people of Italian or German ethnicity than any corresponding city in modern Italy or Germany. On the non-European side of things, Brazil also hosts the largest Japanese community outside of Japan, as well as a very high-octane Maronite Lebanese (why is it that they do well no matter where they end up? Serious question-Mexico, US, Brazil, anywhere you go, Maronites do great economically) demographic. To put this in context, Brazil in the 1800s made antebellum South Carolina look as white as Poland, such was the demographics. It still has more black people than any country save Nigeria.

    The other side of the equation was that, unlike the US, the Brazilians very actively tried to get upwardly mobile Afro-Brazilians to intermarry into the white populace-the idea being that over the course of several generations, it would be bred out. Theodore Roosevelt wrote a scientific article on it after his Presidency when he was exploring the Amazon. I believe it is on this website somewhere.

    As for its Spanish neighbors in the modern era, I don’t think Brazil has ever dealt with mass working-class immigration from poorer South American countries like richer Southern Cone neighbors like Argentina has. Probably a lot of reasons. Brazil already has a massively poor population in the Bahia to satisfy cheap labor demands from the plutocratic class. Brazil’s got endless jungle separating the major population centers from Bolivia, Peru, etc,. Brazil had an awkward relationship with a lot of other governments during the Cold War, not least because Brazil understandably saw itself as a rising potential big power. (One interesting note: Brazil and the US collaborated in anti-Allende intelligence actions during the Medici era. Anti-Communism and everything sure, but Brazil was also interested in becoming a regional hegemon.)

    Brazil is also, culturally speaking, very much “separate” from the rest of the world-very idiosyncratic. Gigantic country. Much like the United States in this regard, actually. Why would an impoverished Bolivian head there rather than Chile or Argentina-where they aren’t even probably richer than Brazil, but even speak the same language?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Why would an impoverished Bolivian head there rather than Chile or Argentina-where they aren’t even probably richer than Brazil, but even speak the same language?
     
    They speak Quechua, Aymara, and Guaraní in Chile and Argentina?

    List of official languages

    The following languages are listed as official languages in the Constitution of Bolivia:

    Castilian
    Aymara
    Araona
    Baure
    Bésiro
    Canichana (extinct)
    Cavineño
    Cayubaba (extinct)
    Chácobo
    Chimán
    Ese Ejja
    Guaraní
    Guarasu'we (extinct)
    Guarayu
    Itonama
    Leco
    Machajuyai-Kallawaya
    Machineri
    Maropa
    Mojeño-Ignaciano
    Mojeño-Trinitario
    Moré
    Mosetén
    Movima
    Pacawara
    Puquina (extinct 18th century)
    Quechua
    Sirionó
    Tacana
    Tapieté
    Toromona
    Uru-Chipaya (not a single language; only Chipaya is still spoken)
    Weenhayek
    Yaminawa
    Yuki
    Yuracaré
    Zamuco

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Bolivia#Official_status

     

    Oh, I see... under "Languages without official status" there is German.

    Ich reise nach Argentinien. Arbeit macht frei!

    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    “Somewhat” understates it. The policy succeeded to an extent beyond what any of the originators could have envisioned.
     
    Yes, it went beyond what they were comfortable with, especially in the case of the Germans, who were seen with suspicion.

    Why would an impoverished Bolivian head there rather than Chile or Argentina-where they aren’t even probably richer than Brazil, but even speak the same language?
     
    We do have many Bolivians in São Paulo, but you got everything right in your comment. The cultural isolation is the main reason why we have to deal with some 15-50 thousand Venezuelan refugees while Colombia has to care for almost one million.
  112. DFH says:
    @Corvinus
    "You would care about something bad happening to your own child..."

    Yes.

    "but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person’s child."

    Care much less? Hardly. We, including Christians, would be sympathetic to their plight. We would demand humane treatment.

    Praytell, are you Christian? If yes, and you have this attitude, pray for forgiveness.

    Moreover there is yet another reason for which, out of charity, we love more those who are more nearly connected with us, since we love them in more ways. For, towards those who are not connected with us we have no other friendship than charity, whereas for those who are connected with us, we have certain other friendships, according to the way in which they are connected. Now since the good on which every other friendship of the virtuous is based, is directed, as to its end, to the good on which charity is based, it follows that charity commands each act of another friendship, even as the art which is about the end commands the art which is about the means. Consequently this very act of loving someone because he is akin or connected with us, or because he is a fellow-countryman or for any like reason that is referable to the end of charity, can be commanded by charity, so that, out of charity both eliciting and commanding, we love in more ways those who are more nearly connected with us.

    http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3026.htm#article7

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Why don't you offer what you believe this passage exactly refers to, and then we can begin a conversation.

    Because, to me, all it is saying is that we love those to whom we are close to more, but that does not mean we love less those we are distant to. In addition, a Christian may offer his charity to those whom they do not know, or are close to, in a wide range of ways, which would include making sure those people are secure and safe, since the act of charity is act an friendship.
  113. Since we are discussing Brazil, the USA and race, this essay from Theodore Roosevelt from 1914 is apt. Coincidentally it is archived here at unz.com. In this excerpt he is recounting a conversation he had in Brazil with some official about how the US and Brazil took a different approach to their race problem. This was written in 1914, so I wonder how Teddy and his Brazilian friend would react today.

    You speak of Brazil as having a large Negro population. Well, in a century there will not be any Negroes in Brazil, whereas you will have twenty or thirty millions of them. Then for you there will be a real and very uncomfortable problem, while for us the problem in its most menacing phase will have disappeared. You say that, this result will be accomplished only by an adulteration, and therefore a weakening, of the pure white blood. I grant that this will have,happened as regards a portion, perhaps a third, of our population. I regret this, but it is the least objectionable of the alternatives. We treat the Negro with entire respect, and he responds to the treatment. If a Negro shows capacity and integrity, he receives the same reward that a white man would receive. He has” therefore every incentive to rise. In the upper ranks of society there is no intermarriage with the Negro of pure or nearly pure blood ; but such intermarriage is frequent in the lower ranks, especially between the Negro and many classes of immigrants.

    The pure Negro is constantly growing less and less in numbers, and after two or more crosses of the white blood the Negro blood tends to disappear, so far as the physical, mental, and moral traits of the race are concerned. When he has disappeared, his blood will remain as an appreciable, but in no way a dominant, element in perhaps a third of our people, while the remaining two-thirds will be pure whites. Granted that this strain will represent a slight weakening in one-third of our population, the result will be that in our country two-thirds of the population will have kept its full strength, with one-third slightly weakened, while the Negro problem will have entirely disappeared. In your country all the white population will have been kept in its original race strength, but the Negro will remain in increased numbers and with an increased and bitter sense of his isolation, so that the problem of his presence will be more menacing than at present. I do not say that ours is a perfect solution, but I regard it as a better solution than yours. We and you have to face two alternatives neither of them without drawbacks. I believe that the one we Brazilians have chosen will in the long run, from the national standpoint, prove less disadvantageous and dangerous than the one you of the United States have chosen.”

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...The pure Negro is constantly growing less and less in numbers, and after two or more crosses of the white blood the Negro blood tends to disappear, so far as the physical, mental, and moral traits of the race are concerned...'

    Sigh. Too bad it doesn't work that way.
    , @kaganovitch
    The tragedy of Brazil ; a beautiful theory slain by an ugly fact.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    I think I have already commented on this (very good) essay in another Steve post. It's clear that the Brazilian official was being too optimistic, but the main objective of the plan was achieved: Brazil largely destroyed organized Blackness, and prevented the surge of racial identity politics that plagued the US. The fact that even today (when our government and intelligentsia have being hammering American racial discourse for more than 15 years) Neymar refuses to define himself as black attests how strong the strategy has been.
  114. @Buck Turgidson
    Only in the us and a few other feminized, childish nations that are hypersensitive about race do people dream up imaginary slights and wet themselves over such things.

    My girlfriend and her friends (Singaporeans) regularly joke with each other about their varying ethnic stereotypes in a manner that would get them immediately in trouble with any American HR hag.

  115. @better moderation please
    If some of these comments about dead babies or Beyonce singing like a donkey go viral it will do more damage to the thoughtful work that Steve Sailer does.

    Delete the hateful comments. I can't imagine what you have to read through but you should err on the side of getting rid of the nonsense.

    Tiny Duck makes me laugh and I appreciate good humor, but don't let it go too far!

    Womp Womp: Jenner Ickham Errican

  116. @ElitistSettler
    I've watched the market value of "whiteness" plummet in my own lifetime. I'm a pale northern middle easterner who is almost universally mistaken for a white person. This was something I quite liked as recently as maybe 5 years ago. Whiteness was the default in a sense and it felt safe to melt into the masses.

    Not so today. "Whiteness" reeks of awkward sexual impotence and general uncoolness. It feels like one is being made complicit in everything from trump to Nickelback to the slave trade.

    I can't run the other way quickly enough. I trumpet my foreign sounding last name, put down "middle eastern" when asked for my race on paperwork and generally do more ethnic shit in and out of the home.

    While whiteness may draw in fringe elements in places like Brazil, it certainly doesn't have the same draw here in the States.

    Sounds like whites caught your alien vibe, kept a certain personal ‘distance’ and now you’re irrevocably bitter. You’re not the first “pale northern middle easterner” to cut off his or her nose to spite their own face, nor will you be the last.

  117. @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    Met a Jamaican dude few years ago who was roughly same color, maybe a little lighter than Neymar. He was frustrated that in America he was considered black. He was considered white in Jamaica.

    He was frustrated that in America he was considered black. He was considered white in Jamaica.

    I’ve occasionally read accounts of similar dissonance in newcomers from various cultures. Is it a low IQ thing with them? Certainly your acquaintance had seen, in Jamaica, Hollywood movies with white actors—which generally don’t look (or sound) like mixed-race Jamaicans.

    • Replies: @Medvedev
    In many countries, like Jamaica or Dominican Republic, they would enjoy higher status. Hence, they identified as Whites.
    After you move to US the opposite is true. Being POC or Black is even better and gives you affirmative action points. Hence, guys like Jealous (18% black) and Shaun King identify as Blacks.
    But first-generation immigrants to US, like Jamaican dude, often continue to identify as White/Pardo/Mulatto on a subconscious level as they used to identify that way in their home country. Down't worry, eventually they (or their kids) will figure out that identifying as Black has way more benefits.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    Certainly your acquaintance had seen, in Jamaica, Hollywood movies with white actors—which generally don’t look (or sound) like mixed-race Jamaicans.
     
    The answer is that they consider themselves "white enough". They know they are not fully white and don't look like Hollywood actors - but then, not every white has blue eyes, blond hair, thin nose, and pink skin. They think (and in their countries, it's true) that they are close enough to white appearance to be considered white.

    When they realize this is not enough in America, they get very upset.
  118. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    As with Liza and her sister Lorna, Bey has a set of pipes. They just use them oddly.

    Lorna did some very nice backing vocals on the biggest Blondie album, Eat to the Beat. I only remembered because the local talk radio reminded us Debbie is 73 today.

    Heh.

    I saw Cabaret (or actually, about ten minutes of it, I’ve seen it a number of times) on TCM a couple of nights ago at a friend’s house. (I don’t have cable.) Liza Minnelli was, not “beautiful”, but cute and endearing in a way when she was young. 45 years and four marriages to men who prefer the sausage to the fish have stripmined the cuteness and endearingness out pretty bad.

    Another thing-Liza May Minnelli- another LMM to be an iSteve acronym? She does look a little like the younger Muffett, doesn’t she? Or vice versa.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Another thing-Liza May Minnelli- another LMM to be an iSteve acronym? She does look a little like the younger Muffett, doesn’t she? Or vice versa.
     
    http://anotherimg.dazedgroup.netdna-cdn.com/578/azure/another-prod/360/2/362395.jpg

    https://cdn-01.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/article29999628.ece/e2ecb/AUTOCROP/w620h342/PANews%20BT_P-f1a4fd1d-567b-40e5-bd19-2ce61ed7b745_I1.jpg



    Ummmm....not really
  119. In the US, at least, one gets tired of these mulattos and quadroons, usually from privileged backgrounds to boot, who get put on the magic escalator simply because they’re ‘black.’ Obama was half-white, raised by whites, sent to THE elite private high school in Hawaii, then went to Occidental College, Columbia, and Harvard in succession. Then it was off to private foundations, and an easy political seat when it opened up. Yup: the black experience, all in one life. What was a hoot was that some New York Times columnist kept referring to him as if he came from an underprivileged background. Must have: look at his complexion.

    It hardly stops with him. For example, Obama’s cabinet, which was ostensibly heavily black, was actually cafe-au-lait city. Look up a picture of it; there was one (1) member who actually looks to be mostly black.

    Clarence Thomas is another exception who proves the rule. I was reading the Wikipedia entry on him. Both his parents were black(!) Moreover, he actually comes from a black background(!) Thing is, he would be about the ONLY prominent member of our political class of whom that could be said. The rest are about as black as I am 100% Viking.

  120. @AlanP
    O/T but I thought iSteve and his fans would like this one.

    "The defining words on immigration should come from the Statue of Liberty ..."

    https://twitter.com/ChrisPappasNH/status/1013523704784080897

    The defining issue of immigration should be America’s national interests at the given time. Short, straight, and to the point. All else is insipid bilge.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Kylie
  121. @AnotherDad

    Segregation is bad but Integration is bad, too. It all depends up on Who versus Whom.
     
    This is continually one of these things that is obvious, but the left is never called out on.

    The clear take home of the Michael Brown thing, where the left/activists/blacks/Democrats/NYT were claiming it was the height of evil for the gentle giant to have to listen to a white--white!--police officer, in majority black Ferguson is obviously ...
    ok, then we shouldn't have integrated suburbs like Ferguson, but separate white and black communities with separate white and black police forces. (Works for me!)

    Yet, i never heard a single Republican pop up and make that point. "Hey if black men just can't--shouldn't--be policed by white cops, that means we should live segregated communities."

    ~~~

    Another recurrent is blacks self-segragating--especially in schools--and demanding "black stuff". I don't remember details, but a bunch of the demands during the 2016 campus micro-aggression madness was for more black stuff! Black organizations, black studies, separate black dorms, etc.

    Anyone paying attention in America the last 40 or 50, realizes that blacks actually do not want to integrate and become dark "whites". Blacks actually like being black. While there are a few middle class--especially Christian--blacks who are happy to adopt white middle-class behavior, most blacks really do not want to behave according to (repressive) white norms. They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks ... they just want white people to provide goodies.

    they even have a name for it…….he/she is acting white.

  122. NYT: “Leftist Wins Mexico Presidency in Landslide With Mandate to Reshape Nation”… by telling Mexicans to get the hell out and flood into the United States.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    That's been apparent since this spring. Still, always interesting when a non-PRI candidate wins, with them being the de facto LDP of the Western world. Not too long ago when the PRI was in the business of assassinating populists they couldn't control. Shows how much Mexico has changed.

    My gut hunch is, personal chemistry-wise, that Obrador/Trump is the type of combination that could either work out really, really well or really, really badly. There's no middle option, a la Nixon/Trudeau, where two leaders with vastly different backgrounds, ideologies, and personalities bad mouthed each other routinely but kept things publicly professional and hammered out a functional relationship. It'll be explosive for good or ill. The sad part is that I could see plenty of ground for common work between the two, being mutual political outsiders with long-standing antipathy toward their respective ruling elites and especially their trade policies. Think about it: if you want to ultimately limit Mexican and Central American immigration to the US-with the benefit for Obrador being an increased chance at putting some limits on the wealth and power of Mexican oligarchs abroad and at home-a big part of that will have to be making life less hellish for the impoverished in Mexico and Central America. The carrot has an equal role alongside the stick. Moreover, Donald Trump, in his "1970s New York construction worker in a billionaire's body" kind of way, seems to respond better to an blunt opponent who aren't "friendly" but are ready to talk and deal without personal attachment over passive-aggressive allies conveying thinly veiled nostalgia for his predecessor. Compare Kim Jong Un to Trudeau.

    But the temptation and immediate logic for confrontation on both sides are immense, and Trump is nothing if not an impulsive short-term thinker and BS'er. Mexican politics might well demand that Obrador cannot be seen in any way, shape, or form as cutting deals with Trump that involve higher border security as a benefit for the US, and in the end, Mexico's dynamic but fragile economy and social structure simply cannot handle too many underclass mestizos hanging around. As for the United States, I've long since given up on Trump being anything remotely approximating a consistent nationalist figure against the venal interests and ideological lunatics that dominate the GOP, but even Trump must know that being tough on a visibly double-dealing Mexico (if Mexico is truly abstractly interested in human rights of migrants and freedom of movement rather than just preserving the tax-free remittances they get from the US, they can start with their own own southern border, where they treat illegals far, far more harshly than we do) is very popular with tens of millions of Americans who, prior to him, the media wasn't very much interested in talking to. It's midterm year, that'll play well, especially against an increasingly fanatically anti-borders Democratic Party. Trump's disinterest in ending the futile War on Drugs really doesn't help matters, to boot.

    So, as that Italian Marxist once said, optimist by will, pessimist by intellect...

  123. @AlanP
    O/T but I thought iSteve and his fans would like this one.

    "The defining words on immigration should come from the Statue of Liberty ..."

    https://twitter.com/ChrisPappasNH/status/1013523704784080897

    “The defining words on immigration should come from the Statue of Liberty …”

    What gets my goat about that is that the whole thing isn’t even our idea. France gave us the statue.

    …appreciate the compliment, but it hardly binds us to anything. It’s as if a girl says ‘gee Colin, you’re so brave.’ Okay, thanks — but it doesn’t follow that I’m obligated to head down to the local barrio and clean out any and all gangbangers by myself with my bare hands.

    Frankly, I think we should give the statue back. All the rooms are nicely filled now. No, we don’t want your poor, your…

    Not any more. No offense. Why should we? Is the idea that we simply leave the gate open until the standard of living here has sunk to that of Bangladesh and no one has any reason to come here any more?

    …because that is what will happen. Water seeks its own level. It’s not hard to figure out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    What gets my goat about that is that the whole thing isn’t even our idea. France gave us the statue.

    …appreciate the compliment, but it hardly binds us to anything. It’s as if a girl says ‘gee Colin, you’re so brave.’ Okay, thanks — but it doesn’t follow that I’m obligated to head down to the local barrio and clean out any and all gangbangers by myself with my bare hands.
     
    I don't think the plaque was theirs.

    "The New Colossus" is a sonnet that American poet Emma Lazarus (1849–1887) wrote in 1883 to raise money for the construction of a pedestal for the Statue of Liberty. In 1903, the poem was cast onto a bronze plaque and mounted inside the pedestal's lower level.
     
    And:


    This poem was written as a donation to an auction of art and literary works[3] conducted by the "Art Loan Fund Exhibition in Aid of the Bartholdi Pedestal Fund for the Statue of Liberty" to raise money for the pedestal's construction.[4] Lazarus's contribution was solicited by fundraiser William Maxwell Evarts. Initially she refused but writer Constance Cary Harrison convinced her that the statue would be of great significance to immigrants sailing into the harbor.[5]

    "The New Colossus" was the first entry read at the exhibit's opening on November 2, 1883. It remained associated with the exhibit through a published catalog until the exhibit closed after the pedestal was fully funded in August 1885,[6][7] but was forgotten and played no role at the opening of the statue in 1886. It was, however, published in Joseph Pulitzer's New York World as well as The New York Times during this time period.[8] In 1901, Lazarus's friend Georgina Schuyler began an effort to memorialize Lazarus and her poem, which succeeded in 1903 when a plaque bearing the text of the poem was put on the inner wall of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.[4]

    On the plaque hanging inside the Statue of Liberty, the line "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" is missing a comma, and reads in Lazarus's manuscript "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!"[9] since its unveiling in 1903. The plaque also describes itself as an engraving; it is actually a casting.

    The original manuscript is held by the American Jewish Historical Society.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus

    Keep the statue. Smelt the plaque or regift it to , I dunno.......Israel maybe?
  124. @Dave Pinsen
    "Painful relativity about race"? I'm not sure racial attitudes in Brazil, even among self-identified blacks, map directly to American resentments. An anecdote that illustrates this, which I've probably mentioned here before: a friend and I were in a cafe in Rio de Janeiro when he wanted to ask for a plate and accidentally used the Portuguese word for "black" instead ("preto"). The black waitress very pleasantly corrected him, in the process pointing to her forearm to illustrate that "preto" meant black. There wasn't a hint of resentment or surliness in her demeanor when she did this.

    …That’s because he ordered blackened catfish.

  125. @AnotherDad
    I know next to nothing about Brazil, but apparently, the 21st century trendline in Brazil:

    -- the Lula socialist win tapping the black vote
    -- the affirmative action stuff
    -- the massive corruption scandals in both Lula's administrator and his successor Dilma Rouseff
    -- the recession

    have kicked off a renewal of southern (whiter) successionist sentiment.

    ~~~

    BTW, it's interesting that in mixed Brazil the last two presidents are 2nd-generate immigrant whites--Dilma Rouseff (Bulgaria) and Michel Temer (Lebanese Maronite Christian)--unmixed 0% black.

    ‘…Michel Temer (Lebanese Maronite Christian)–unmixed 0% black.’

    Michel Temer is my hero. First look up his age. Then look up his wife.

  126. @AnotherDad

    Segregation is bad but Integration is bad, too. It all depends up on Who versus Whom.
     
    This is continually one of these things that is obvious, but the left is never called out on.

    The clear take home of the Michael Brown thing, where the left/activists/blacks/Democrats/NYT were claiming it was the height of evil for the gentle giant to have to listen to a white--white!--police officer, in majority black Ferguson is obviously ...
    ok, then we shouldn't have integrated suburbs like Ferguson, but separate white and black communities with separate white and black police forces. (Works for me!)

    Yet, i never heard a single Republican pop up and make that point. "Hey if black men just can't--shouldn't--be policed by white cops, that means we should live segregated communities."

    ~~~

    Another recurrent is blacks self-segragating--especially in schools--and demanding "black stuff". I don't remember details, but a bunch of the demands during the 2016 campus micro-aggression madness was for more black stuff! Black organizations, black studies, separate black dorms, etc.

    Anyone paying attention in America the last 40 or 50, realizes that blacks actually do not want to integrate and become dark "whites". Blacks actually like being black. While there are a few middle class--especially Christian--blacks who are happy to adopt white middle-class behavior, most blacks really do not want to behave according to (repressive) white norms. They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks ... they just want white people to provide goodies.

    ‘Another recurrent is blacks self-segragating–especially in schools–and demanding “black stuff”.’

    Blacks will always ‘self-segregate’ — albeit involuntarily.

    Everyone else moves away from them as soon as they can afford to.

    I remember I once saw an obviously fresh-off-the-boat Indian family in a black neighborhood. My immediate reaction was, ‘boy, do they have a reason to be upwardly mobile!’

  127. @Corvinus
    "But in America’s current ideological climate over who are the Bad Guys and who are the Good Guys..."

    That's actually very easy if we only NOTICE. After all, race is not a social construct. Here is a handy-dandy guide to differentiate the "bad" from the "good" guys.

    BAD
    Trouble maker white --> Middle Eastern and Jewish

    We feel sorry for you because you are not white --> blacks, Asians, indigenous

    Fake white --> SJW, leftist, and/or feminist designation

    PROBABLY BAD
    Inferior white --> white + black or Asian or indigenous or mutt

    You may be white, but probably not --> those who are wiggers

    Wannabe whites --> those who lighten their skin to pass as white

    Nazi white --> those who are extremist whites or in the KKK or those who love Hitler

    PROBABLY GOOD
    White, but not white --> those who oppose the Alt Right but are not leftists or feminists

    Simply white --> whites who prefer not to be labeled as white…receive the label

    GOOD
    True white --> Alt Right designation

    Exceptional white --> Alt Right designation + trace ancestors directly from 13 colonies

    True white –> Alt Right designation

    Exceptional white –> Alt Right designation + trace ancestors directly from 13 colonies

    I’m thinking a few more “bads” would go a long way toward white-folk’s happiness

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/03/16/tranny-surprise-w-mike-cernovich/

    http://afropunk.com/2017/10/neo-nazi-milo-yiannopouloss-black-husband-proves-cant-help-love-white-supremacist-bullshit/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/14/matthew-heimbach-neo-nazi-white-nationalism-arrest-domestic-violence

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    In light of your research, a new category in born for the "Probably Good" category. Thanks for helping me NOTICE.

    Honorary white --> Alt Right designates its allies white for now, but when the Second Civil War comes, then all bets are off
  128. @istevefan
    Since we are discussing Brazil, the USA and race, this essay from Theodore Roosevelt from 1914 is apt. Coincidentally it is archived here at unz.com. In this excerpt he is recounting a conversation he had in Brazil with some official about how the US and Brazil took a different approach to their race problem. This was written in 1914, so I wonder how Teddy and his Brazilian friend would react today.

    You speak of Brazil as having a large Negro population. Well, in a century there will not be any Negroes in Brazil, whereas you will have twenty or thirty millions of them. Then for you there will be a real and very uncomfortable problem, while for us the problem in its most menacing phase will have disappeared. You say that, this result will be accomplished only by an adulteration, and therefore a weakening, of the pure white blood. I grant that this will have,happened as regards a portion, perhaps a third, of our population. I regret this, but it is the least objectionable of the alternatives. We treat the Negro with entire respect, and he responds to the treatment. If a Negro shows capacity and integrity, he receives the same reward that a white man would receive. He has" therefore every incentive to rise. In the upper ranks of society there is no intermarriage with the Negro of pure or nearly pure blood ; but such intermarriage is frequent in the lower ranks, especially between the Negro and many classes of immigrants.

    The pure Negro is constantly growing less and less in numbers, and after two or more crosses of the white blood the Negro blood tends to disappear, so far as the physical, mental, and moral traits of the race are concerned. When he has disappeared, his blood will remain as an appreciable, but in no way a dominant, element in perhaps a third of our people, while the remaining two-thirds will be pure whites. Granted that this strain will represent a slight weakening in one-third of our population, the result will be that in our country two-thirds of the population will have kept its full strength, with one-third slightly weakened, while the Negro problem will have entirely disappeared. In your country all the white population will have been kept in its original race strength, but the Negro will remain in increased numbers and with an increased and bitter sense of his isolation, so that the problem of his presence will be more menacing than at present. I do not say that ours is a perfect solution, but I regard it as a better solution than yours. We and you have to face two alternatives neither of them without drawbacks. I believe that the one we Brazilians have chosen will in the long run, from the national standpoint, prove less disadvantageous and dangerous than the one you of the United States have chosen."
     

    ‘…The pure Negro is constantly growing less and less in numbers, and after two or more crosses of the white blood the Negro blood tends to disappear, so far as the physical, mental, and moral traits of the race are concerned…’

    Sigh. Too bad it doesn’t work that way.

  129. @Stan d Mute

    They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks … they just want white people to provide goodies.
     
    As someone born just a few blocks and a few months away from the starting point of the 1967 Detroit riots, and who’s spent his entire life in close (too close!) proximity to millions of negroes, I can attest to this. The problem is that to get the goodies they’ve been trained to chase down the whites. It’s no different from any conditioned behavior is it? Whites have the goodies, so to get the goodies one must go to the whites. Think cargo cult.

    And the corollary is that most whites like being white, want to behave in traditional white ways, vastly prefer being around other whites, and generally just want to be left the hell alone.

    As someone born just a few blocks and a few months away from the starting point of the 1967 Detroit riots,

    I think you meant the 1917 Ford assembly line riots, Stan.

  130. The England World Cup team visited a Russian orphanage yesterday.

    ‘It was heartbreaking to see their faces so sad and with no hope’, said Vladimir aged 6.

    • LOL: Truth
  131. @Stan d Mute
    Like virtually everything involving race in America, the lack of intelligence here is staggering. Brazil killed slaves by the millions, while America treated them well and they multiplied like flies. In Brazil they were fully disposable assets to be worked to death. In America they were quite expensive and thus fed, clothed, and housed better than the lowest class whites (whether “indentured servants” or not). America imported 400,000 and at Emancipation there were 4,800,000 of them. Brazil imported 4,900,000 (estimates as high as 12 million total died either there or en route) and at emancipation there were around 700,000 (https://www.britannica.com/place/Brazil/Independence).

    Yet Brazil is being lorded over us as an examplar of virtue while America (white america) epitomizes evil.

    Brazil killed slaves by the millions, while America treated them well and they multiplied like flies.

    You’re right again, Stan. So right in fact that I believe you should be championing chattel slavery as a career move for your grandchildren.

  132. @WowJustWow
    NYT: "Leftist Wins Mexico Presidency in Landslide With Mandate to Reshape Nation"... by telling Mexicans to get the hell out and flood into the United States.

    That’s been apparent since this spring. Still, always interesting when a non-PRI candidate wins, with them being the de facto LDP of the Western world. Not too long ago when the PRI was in the business of assassinating populists they couldn’t control. Shows how much Mexico has changed.

    My gut hunch is, personal chemistry-wise, that Obrador/Trump is the type of combination that could either work out really, really well or really, really badly. There’s no middle option, a la Nixon/Trudeau, where two leaders with vastly different backgrounds, ideologies, and personalities bad mouthed each other routinely but kept things publicly professional and hammered out a functional relationship. It’ll be explosive for good or ill. The sad part is that I could see plenty of ground for common work between the two, being mutual political outsiders with long-standing antipathy toward their respective ruling elites and especially their trade policies. Think about it: if you want to ultimately limit Mexican and Central American immigration to the US-with the benefit for Obrador being an increased chance at putting some limits on the wealth and power of Mexican oligarchs abroad and at home-a big part of that will have to be making life less hellish for the impoverished in Mexico and Central America. The carrot has an equal role alongside the stick. Moreover, Donald Trump, in his “1970s New York construction worker in a billionaire’s body” kind of way, seems to respond better to an blunt opponent who aren’t “friendly” but are ready to talk and deal without personal attachment over passive-aggressive allies conveying thinly veiled nostalgia for his predecessor. Compare Kim Jong Un to Trudeau.

    But the temptation and immediate logic for confrontation on both sides are immense, and Trump is nothing if not an impulsive short-term thinker and BS’er. Mexican politics might well demand that Obrador cannot be seen in any way, shape, or form as cutting deals with Trump that involve higher border security as a benefit for the US, and in the end, Mexico’s dynamic but fragile economy and social structure simply cannot handle too many underclass mestizos hanging around. As for the United States, I’ve long since given up on Trump being anything remotely approximating a consistent nationalist figure against the venal interests and ideological lunatics that dominate the GOP, but even Trump must know that being tough on a visibly double-dealing Mexico (if Mexico is truly abstractly interested in human rights of migrants and freedom of movement rather than just preserving the tax-free remittances they get from the US, they can start with their own own southern border, where they treat illegals far, far more harshly than we do) is very popular with tens of millions of Americans who, prior to him, the media wasn’t very much interested in talking to. It’s midterm year, that’ll play well, especially against an increasingly fanatically anti-borders Democratic Party. Trump’s disinterest in ending the futile War on Drugs really doesn’t help matters, to boot.

    So, as that Italian Marxist once said, optimist by will, pessimist by intellect…

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    You always put more effort and insight into your replies than the parent comment deserves, thanks. (I'm sick with the flu right now, so I don't have the energy for much more than snarky one-liners.) I'd be curious to know more about your background and your line of work, if that wouldn't be too self-doxxing.
  133. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    He was frustrated that in America he was considered black. He was considered white in Jamaica.
     
    I’ve occasionally read accounts of similar dissonance in newcomers from various cultures. Is it a low IQ thing with them? Certainly your acquaintance had seen, in Jamaica, Hollywood movies with white actors—which generally don’t look (or sound) like mixed-race Jamaicans.

    In many countries, like Jamaica or Dominican Republic, they would enjoy higher status. Hence, they identified as Whites.
    After you move to US the opposite is true. Being POC or Black is even better and gives you affirmative action points. Hence, guys like Jealous (18% black) and Shaun King identify as Blacks.
    But first-generation immigrants to US, like Jamaican dude, often continue to identify as White/Pardo/Mulatto on a subconscious level as they used to identify that way in their home country. Down’t worry, eventually they (or their kids) will figure out that identifying as Black has way more benefits.

    • Replies: @Truth

    After you move to US the opposite is true. Being POC or Black is even better and gives you affirmative action points. Hence, guys Shaun King identify as Blacks.
     
    Yeah, who the heck is that buffoon trying to fool?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FddyEFU5tGY
    , @Roger Cliftonville Acton
    I recall watching a "millennial woes" video of his factfinding trip to the USA. In California, he was aghast at the apparent preponderance of race mixing, saying he thought that it was more of a British/European thing, and that miscegenation was less acceptable in the US.

    I informed him that these individuals are usually not described as 'mixed race' but rather as 'light skinned blacks' who may have had 'black' (albeit light skinned) parents and grandparents, but some miscegenation took place perhaps centuries ago, giving rise to a population group that although mixed in appearance, regards itself as distinct and seperate, akin to the 'coloreds' in South Africa. It isnt necessarily an indicator on the current social acceptability of miscegenation, but a visible relic of past social practices...supposedly slave proprietors impregnating their slave females.

    A lot of Americans don't seem to appreciate that in their natural habitat, blacks are just that, black. Or near as damn it. I recall one episode of Family Guy, where Lois goes to Paris and comments that 'there arent that many blacks here, but those there are, are REALLY black' Of course, what she really saw, was an unmixed black population. What she see's in the US is a black population that is highly mixed, not pure of blood.

    As an aside, every last half-black i've met in the UK, despite invariably being raised by a white single mother, and having very limited contact with other blacks, except perhaps other half blacks raised by white single mothers, identifies with their black side, and shuns white society and values.

  134. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Meretricious
    "Brazil incorporates the more talented mixed race people into the whitish ruling class, while America recruits talented mixed race people of privileged backgrounds like Jealous and Obama to be leaders of the entitled minorities."--Steve

    Obama is "talented" for a black

    Obama is in the third quarter of the talented tenth of blacks, maybe barely in the upper fourth. So there are hundreds of thousands of blacks in the US that are smarter than he is, out of (to a first approximation) 40 million.

    That wouldn’t get him into Harvard Law had he been white, nor does it equip him to deal with the serious power players in Washington political society. It does mean he is smarter than the average white person and probably as smart as the average white college graduate with a liberal arts or business degree from a nonelite institution. He could have had a good honest career in any of several places. I believe that he was “sponsored” by very much smarter people for their own ends and that he served their purposes reasonably well.

  135. @Medvedev
    In many countries, like Jamaica or Dominican Republic, they would enjoy higher status. Hence, they identified as Whites.
    After you move to US the opposite is true. Being POC or Black is even better and gives you affirmative action points. Hence, guys like Jealous (18% black) and Shaun King identify as Blacks.
    But first-generation immigrants to US, like Jamaican dude, often continue to identify as White/Pardo/Mulatto on a subconscious level as they used to identify that way in their home country. Down't worry, eventually they (or their kids) will figure out that identifying as Black has way more benefits.

    After you move to US the opposite is true. Being POC or Black is even better and gives you affirmative action points. Hence, guys Shaun King identify as Blacks.

    Yeah, who the heck is that buffoon trying to fool?

  136. @nebulafox
    That's been apparent since this spring. Still, always interesting when a non-PRI candidate wins, with them being the de facto LDP of the Western world. Not too long ago when the PRI was in the business of assassinating populists they couldn't control. Shows how much Mexico has changed.

    My gut hunch is, personal chemistry-wise, that Obrador/Trump is the type of combination that could either work out really, really well or really, really badly. There's no middle option, a la Nixon/Trudeau, where two leaders with vastly different backgrounds, ideologies, and personalities bad mouthed each other routinely but kept things publicly professional and hammered out a functional relationship. It'll be explosive for good or ill. The sad part is that I could see plenty of ground for common work between the two, being mutual political outsiders with long-standing antipathy toward their respective ruling elites and especially their trade policies. Think about it: if you want to ultimately limit Mexican and Central American immigration to the US-with the benefit for Obrador being an increased chance at putting some limits on the wealth and power of Mexican oligarchs abroad and at home-a big part of that will have to be making life less hellish for the impoverished in Mexico and Central America. The carrot has an equal role alongside the stick. Moreover, Donald Trump, in his "1970s New York construction worker in a billionaire's body" kind of way, seems to respond better to an blunt opponent who aren't "friendly" but are ready to talk and deal without personal attachment over passive-aggressive allies conveying thinly veiled nostalgia for his predecessor. Compare Kim Jong Un to Trudeau.

    But the temptation and immediate logic for confrontation on both sides are immense, and Trump is nothing if not an impulsive short-term thinker and BS'er. Mexican politics might well demand that Obrador cannot be seen in any way, shape, or form as cutting deals with Trump that involve higher border security as a benefit for the US, and in the end, Mexico's dynamic but fragile economy and social structure simply cannot handle too many underclass mestizos hanging around. As for the United States, I've long since given up on Trump being anything remotely approximating a consistent nationalist figure against the venal interests and ideological lunatics that dominate the GOP, but even Trump must know that being tough on a visibly double-dealing Mexico (if Mexico is truly abstractly interested in human rights of migrants and freedom of movement rather than just preserving the tax-free remittances they get from the US, they can start with their own own southern border, where they treat illegals far, far more harshly than we do) is very popular with tens of millions of Americans who, prior to him, the media wasn't very much interested in talking to. It's midterm year, that'll play well, especially against an increasingly fanatically anti-borders Democratic Party. Trump's disinterest in ending the futile War on Drugs really doesn't help matters, to boot.

    So, as that Italian Marxist once said, optimist by will, pessimist by intellect...

    You always put more effort and insight into your replies than the parent comment deserves, thanks. (I’m sick with the flu right now, so I don’t have the energy for much more than snarky one-liners.) I’d be curious to know more about your background and your line of work, if that wouldn’t be too self-doxxing.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Put briefly, failed physics (interested in condensed matter theory and computational stuff) manque turned remote software developer. I've always had a massive side interest with history, though, and that's how I eventually ended up reading some of Ron Unz's stuff, which led me here.

    (Don't give me too much credit for my replies, my lack of ability to explain myself concisely is a personal weakness I've developed over recent years, that I intend on addressing. I was diagnosed with ASD when I was a teenager, and though I'm a little cynical about psychiatrists and modern medical diagnosis fads these days, it is true that I do display... rather obsessive, detail-oriented tendencies.)

    I've more or less completely screwed up my life-I'm really not exaggerating here-and have hammered out a long-term strategy to turn it around over the past few months. This month, I start implementing it. We'll see how it works out, but one thing is for certain: I'm not going to throw the second half of my 20s down the drain like I did my first one. I'm going to die someday, life is way too short to piss it away-and you can do it easily. So, I intend on becoming more or less apolitical for the next 5 years to focus on other matters-above all rigorous self-improvement-because my views are extremely half-baked (isn't the saying "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"?), and based off of bits and pieces of knowledge I've managed to absorb from all over the place meshing with my personal experiences. It's really a helluva thing to wakeup to how uneducated you are in reality.

    Still, I can't say I regret running into this website wholly, despite all the time I've wasted commenting on here. Because along with some true kooks, I've learned a lot from some seriously interesting people, too.
  137. @DFH

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?
     
    You would care about something bad happening to your own child, but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person's child
    Checkmate, Familyists!

    Genetic relatedness is the basis of human behaviour

  138. ICYMI:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube because I can embed Youtube videos on iSteve, but not other videos. I couldn't find it, though.

    As I may have mentioned once or twice over the decades, Tracey Ullman is very talented and very insightful, although I have to admit that's not an opinion shared by the American TV-viewing public in general.

  139. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    “The defining words on immigration should come from the Statue of Liberty …”

    What gets my goat about that is that the whole thing isn't even our idea. France gave us the statue.

    ...appreciate the compliment, but it hardly binds us to anything. It's as if a girl says 'gee Colin, you're so brave.' Okay, thanks -- but it doesn't follow that I'm obligated to head down to the local barrio and clean out any and all gangbangers by myself with my bare hands.

    Frankly, I think we should give the statue back. All the rooms are nicely filled now. No, we don't want your poor, your...

    Not any more. No offense. Why should we? Is the idea that we simply leave the gate open until the standard of living here has sunk to that of Bangladesh and no one has any reason to come here any more?

    ...because that is what will happen. Water seeks its own level. It's not hard to figure out.

    What gets my goat about that is that the whole thing isn’t even our idea. France gave us the statue.

    …appreciate the compliment, but it hardly binds us to anything. It’s as if a girl says ‘gee Colin, you’re so brave.’ Okay, thanks — but it doesn’t follow that I’m obligated to head down to the local barrio and clean out any and all gangbangers by myself with my bare hands.

    I don’t think the plaque was theirs.

    “The New Colossus” is a sonnet that American poet Emma Lazarus (1849–1887) wrote in 1883 to raise money for the construction of a pedestal for the Statue of Liberty. In 1903, the poem was cast onto a bronze plaque and mounted inside the pedestal’s lower level.

    And:

    This poem was written as a donation to an auction of art and literary works[3] conducted by the “Art Loan Fund Exhibition in Aid of the Bartholdi Pedestal Fund for the Statue of Liberty” to raise money for the pedestal’s construction.[4] Lazarus’s contribution was solicited by fundraiser William Maxwell Evarts. Initially she refused but writer Constance Cary Harrison convinced her that the statue would be of great significance to immigrants sailing into the harbor.[5]

    “The New Colossus” was the first entry read at the exhibit’s opening on November 2, 1883. It remained associated with the exhibit through a published catalog until the exhibit closed after the pedestal was fully funded in August 1885,[6][7] but was forgotten and played no role at the opening of the statue in 1886. It was, however, published in Joseph Pulitzer’s New York World as well as The New York Times during this time period.[8] In 1901, Lazarus’s friend Georgina Schuyler began an effort to memorialize Lazarus and her poem, which succeeded in 1903 when a plaque bearing the text of the poem was put on the inner wall of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.[4]

    On the plaque hanging inside the Statue of Liberty, the line “Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” is missing a comma, and reads in Lazarus’s manuscript “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!”[9] since its unveiling in 1903. The plaque also describes itself as an engraving; it is actually a casting.

    The original manuscript is held by the American Jewish Historical Society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus

    Keep the statue. Smelt the plaque or regift it to , I dunno…….Israel maybe?

  140. @wren
    ICYMI:

    https://www.twitter.com/bbccomedy/status/1010189882503950336

    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube because I can embed Youtube videos on iSteve, but not other videos. I couldn’t find it, though.

    As I may have mentioned once or twice over the decades, Tracey Ullman is very talented and very insightful, although I have to admit that’s not an opinion shared by the American TV-viewing public in general.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I think she’s funny, but she’s as English as a Blackpool Rock or a Gardner engined Jaguar saloon.
    , @wren
    A comment on one of the fake versions of the video on YouTube says that every time someone uploads it, YouTube quickly takes it down.

    Since the BBC does have some of her videos up on YouTube, I'm assuming they just don't want to promote the message.
    , @PiltdownMan

    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube...
     
    https://youtu.be/bBwDCogEUU0
    , @res
    Can Ron host it on unz.com?: I was able to download the video using Firefox and Twitter Video Downloader on this:

    https://twitter.com/bbccomedy/status/1010189882503950336
    , @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    Don't Cry for Me Argentina nor cry for Tracey Ullman whom the DM in 2oo6 reported as being Britain's wealthiest comedian with a net worth $115 million in 2018.
  141. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube because I can embed Youtube videos on iSteve, but not other videos. I couldn't find it, though.

    As I may have mentioned once or twice over the decades, Tracey Ullman is very talented and very insightful, although I have to admit that's not an opinion shared by the American TV-viewing public in general.

    I think she’s funny, but she’s as English as a Blackpool Rock or a Gardner engined Jaguar saloon.

  142. @Steve Sailer
    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube because I can embed Youtube videos on iSteve, but not other videos. I couldn't find it, though.

    As I may have mentioned once or twice over the decades, Tracey Ullman is very talented and very insightful, although I have to admit that's not an opinion shared by the American TV-viewing public in general.

    A comment on one of the fake versions of the video on YouTube says that every time someone uploads it, YouTube quickly takes it down.

    Since the BBC does have some of her videos up on YouTube, I’m assuming they just don’t want to promote the message.

  143. @Buffalo Joe
    Stan, A dead child is a tragedy and in this case a photo op, and that is grotesque. A nine year old girl shot to death in Cleveland a week ago is not even news worthy, nor were the five year old boy, three year old boy and five month old girl all shot and killed in Cleveland two years ago. Why? I know why, rhetorical question.

    A nine year old girl shot to death in Cleveland a week ago is not even news worthy, nor were the five year old boy, three year old boy and five month old girl all shot and killed in Cleveland two years ago.

    Perhaps they should take to small boats and cross Erie to Ontario.

    They could be the next Lombardos and Gretzkys.

  144. @WowJustWow
    You always put more effort and insight into your replies than the parent comment deserves, thanks. (I'm sick with the flu right now, so I don't have the energy for much more than snarky one-liners.) I'd be curious to know more about your background and your line of work, if that wouldn't be too self-doxxing.

    Put briefly, failed physics (interested in condensed matter theory and computational stuff) manque turned remote software developer. I’ve always had a massive side interest with history, though, and that’s how I eventually ended up reading some of Ron Unz’s stuff, which led me here.

    (Don’t give me too much credit for my replies, my lack of ability to explain myself concisely is a personal weakness I’ve developed over recent years, that I intend on addressing. I was diagnosed with ASD when I was a teenager, and though I’m a little cynical about psychiatrists and modern medical diagnosis fads these days, it is true that I do display… rather obsessive, detail-oriented tendencies.)

    I’ve more or less completely screwed up my life-I’m really not exaggerating here-and have hammered out a long-term strategy to turn it around over the past few months. This month, I start implementing it. We’ll see how it works out, but one thing is for certain: I’m not going to throw the second half of my 20s down the drain like I did my first one. I’m going to die someday, life is way too short to piss it away-and you can do it easily. So, I intend on becoming more or less apolitical for the next 5 years to focus on other matters-above all rigorous self-improvement-because my views are extremely half-baked (isn’t the saying “in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king”?), and based off of bits and pieces of knowledge I’ve managed to absorb from all over the place meshing with my personal experiences. It’s really a helluva thing to wakeup to how uneducated you are in reality.

    Still, I can’t say I regret running into this website wholly, despite all the time I’ve wasted commenting on here. Because along with some true kooks, I’ve learned a lot from some seriously interesting people, too.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    SJW-ism, a workforce that skews extremely young, and the autism spectrum are a volatile mix, and as people get several years out of college they tend to abandon other hobbies that sustain a healthy identity outside of their politics, so it's probably a good move to be apolitical in the software world these days. Even if you can write the loveliest poems in praise of Chairman Mao, just by writing them you only risk being told they're not lovely enough. Uncle Bob Martin got a whipping the other week for saying that although detaining migrant children away from their parents is really really bad and awful and horrible and bad, technically it's not literally Hitler: https://twitter.com/unclebobmartin/status/1010152980988026881

    Things are a bit better outside of open-source and consumer-facing, ad-driven tech. Remote work can really help you stay outside the bubble. That hasn't been a possibility for me, so I'm more inclined to strive for f-you money as a way to reclaim my sanity.
  145. @nebulafox
    "Somewhat" understates it. The policy succeeded to an extent beyond what any of the originators could have envisioned. Greater Sao Paulo alone probably has more people of Italian or German ethnicity than any corresponding city in modern Italy or Germany. On the non-European side of things, Brazil also hosts the largest Japanese community outside of Japan, as well as a very high-octane Maronite Lebanese (why is it that they do well no matter where they end up? Serious question-Mexico, US, Brazil, anywhere you go, Maronites do great economically) demographic. To put this in context, Brazil in the 1800s made antebellum South Carolina look as white as Poland, such was the demographics. It still has more black people than any country save Nigeria.

    The other side of the equation was that, unlike the US, the Brazilians very actively tried to get upwardly mobile Afro-Brazilians to intermarry into the white populace-the idea being that over the course of several generations, it would be bred out. Theodore Roosevelt wrote a scientific article on it after his Presidency when he was exploring the Amazon. I believe it is on this website somewhere.

    As for its Spanish neighbors in the modern era, I don't think Brazil has ever dealt with mass working-class immigration from poorer South American countries like richer Southern Cone neighbors like Argentina has. Probably a lot of reasons. Brazil already has a massively poor population in the Bahia to satisfy cheap labor demands from the plutocratic class. Brazil's got endless jungle separating the major population centers from Bolivia, Peru, etc,. Brazil had an awkward relationship with a lot of other governments during the Cold War, not least because Brazil understandably saw itself as a rising potential big power. (One interesting note: Brazil and the US collaborated in anti-Allende intelligence actions during the Medici era. Anti-Communism and everything sure, but Brazil was also interested in becoming a regional hegemon.)

    Brazil is also, culturally speaking, very much "separate" from the rest of the world-very idiosyncratic. Gigantic country. Much like the United States in this regard, actually. Why would an impoverished Bolivian head there rather than Chile or Argentina-where they aren't even probably richer than Brazil, but even speak the same language?

    Why would an impoverished Bolivian head there rather than Chile or Argentina-where they aren’t even probably richer than Brazil, but even speak the same language?

    They speak Quechua, Aymara, and Guaraní in Chile and Argentina?

    List of official languages

    The following languages are listed as official languages in the Constitution of Bolivia:

    Castilian
    Aymara
    Araona
    Baure
    Bésiro
    Canichana (extinct)
    Cavineño
    Cayubaba (extinct)
    Chácobo
    Chimán
    Ese Ejja
    Guaraní
    Guarasu’we (extinct)
    Guarayu
    Itonama
    Leco
    Machajuyai-Kallawaya
    Machineri
    Maropa
    Mojeño-Ignaciano
    Mojeño-Trinitario
    Moré
    Mosetén
    Movima
    Pacawara
    Puquina (extinct 18th century)
    Quechua
    Sirionó
    Tacana
    Tapieté
    Toromona
    Uru-Chipaya (not a single language; only Chipaya is still spoken)
    Weenhayek
    Yaminawa
    Yuki
    Yuracaré
    Zamuco

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Bolivia#Official_status

    Oh, I see… under “Languages without official status” there is German.

    Ich reise nach Argentinien. Arbeit macht frei!

  146. Its a complex issue indeed. I would expect all the best goalkeepers to be East Asian, given their superior reaction time. But this can be balanced again East Asians apparently having poorer eyesight than the other races.

    The best footballers, as individuals, seem to have no specific body type, or racial categorization.

  147. @Medvedev
    In many countries, like Jamaica or Dominican Republic, they would enjoy higher status. Hence, they identified as Whites.
    After you move to US the opposite is true. Being POC or Black is even better and gives you affirmative action points. Hence, guys like Jealous (18% black) and Shaun King identify as Blacks.
    But first-generation immigrants to US, like Jamaican dude, often continue to identify as White/Pardo/Mulatto on a subconscious level as they used to identify that way in their home country. Down't worry, eventually they (or their kids) will figure out that identifying as Black has way more benefits.

    I recall watching a “millennial woes” video of his factfinding trip to the USA. In California, he was aghast at the apparent preponderance of race mixing, saying he thought that it was more of a British/European thing, and that miscegenation was less acceptable in the US.

    I informed him that these individuals are usually not described as ‘mixed race’ but rather as ‘light skinned blacks’ who may have had ‘black’ (albeit light skinned) parents and grandparents, but some miscegenation took place perhaps centuries ago, giving rise to a population group that although mixed in appearance, regards itself as distinct and seperate, akin to the ‘coloreds’ in South Africa. It isnt necessarily an indicator on the current social acceptability of miscegenation, but a visible relic of past social practices…supposedly slave proprietors impregnating their slave females.

    A lot of Americans don’t seem to appreciate that in their natural habitat, blacks are just that, black. Or near as damn it. I recall one episode of Family Guy, where Lois goes to Paris and comments that ‘there arent that many blacks here, but those there are, are REALLY black’ Of course, what she really saw, was an unmixed black population. What she see’s in the US is a black population that is highly mixed, not pure of blood.

    As an aside, every last half-black i’ve met in the UK, despite invariably being raised by a white single mother, and having very limited contact with other blacks, except perhaps other half blacks raised by white single mothers, identifies with their black side, and shuns white society and values.

  148. @Steve Sailer
    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube because I can embed Youtube videos on iSteve, but not other videos. I couldn't find it, though.

    As I may have mentioned once or twice over the decades, Tracey Ullman is very talented and very insightful, although I have to admit that's not an opinion shared by the American TV-viewing public in general.

    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube…

    • Replies: @jim jones
    Blocked because of copyright. Twitter works:


    https://twitter.com/bbccomedy/status/1010189882503950336?lang=en
    , @PiltdownMan
    Never mind. Apologies for the broken link.
  149. It must have seemed particularly cruel to black Americans that they were to be distinct and separate and far below, forever. That a white father would not only turn away from his mixed offspring but would actually enslave them.

    For all the cruelty of the Portuguese system of slavery, it did at least offer the potential for a racialised redemption. And, in doing so, allowed its black participants a spark of dignity.

    So while no-one alive is guilty of taking part in either system, this stuff remains important. The way black Americans accept phenotypically white individuals into their in-group, as a reaction to the prior callous system, is actually very lovely.

  150. @Corvinus
    "Thanks, Corvy! Now I know why we need to sink the damn ships."

    Obviously, you are not Christian, and have little regard for human life.

    Excommunicated by Pope Corvy! I like your new turn of pretending to be a Christian, Corvy. It’s a change from your usual line. Will you keep it up?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Excommunicated by Pope Corvy!"

    Keep it up with your flippant attitudes regarding human life.

    "I like your new turn of pretending to be a Christian, Corvy."

    There's no pretending on my part. I'll ask again, are you a Christian?
    , @fish

    Will you keep it up?
     
    Until he's distracted by the next shiny object worthy of virtue signaling over!
  151. @AlanP
    O/T but I thought iSteve and his fans would like this one.

    "The defining words on immigration should come from the Statue of Liberty ..."

    https://twitter.com/ChrisPappasNH/status/1013523704784080897

    An instruction manual in rhyming couplets on how to turn your country into the world’s flophouse, written by a committed Zionist.

  152. @PiltdownMan

    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube...
     
    https://youtu.be/bBwDCogEUU0

    Blocked because of copyright. Twitter works:

  153. @Corvinus
    "Thanks, Corvy! Now I know why we need to sink the damn ships."

    Obviously, you are not Christian, and have little regard for human life.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You should let in more refugees because Jesus said to be compassionate in the Bible somewhere".

    Let's stick to the point here. Jesus said to be compassionate to ALL people. He would be decidedly opposed to a ship filled with refugees being blown up to bits.

    "No, I'm not a Christian and I have nothing but contempt for your backward religious beliefs".

    They are not "backward", they are what the Alt Right refers to as the crux of Western Civilization. Didn't you get the memo?

    "So year, this argument wouldn't work on me".

    It would look like any argument that focuses on being humane and showing one's humanity would fall to the wayside given your utter contempt for human life. Now more than ever, you need Him.

    Now, on another matter, you offered up a quotation without commentary. So why don’t you offer what you believe this passage exactly refers to?

  154. @PiltdownMan

    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube...
     
    https://youtu.be/bBwDCogEUU0

    Never mind. Apologies for the broken link.

  155. sb says:
    @Numinous
    I guess it's beyond Americans to understand and appreciate football (I refuse to call it by the abominable name "soccer") for what it is, so perhaps you guys need to stop dissecting the game and commenting on its extremely tangential aspects. You obviously have games you believe are superior to it, so just follow those games and leave the football-fans to their sport, rather than producing asinine articles and blog posts, whether it be in left-wing newspapers or alt-right websites. Clearly you cannot comment on the game without projecting your American racial and political hangups on every corner of the world.

    “Football ” is a generic term .
    I often write ” association football ” when I need to refer to the game Americans and the majority of the English speaking world call ” soccer “. But it usually depends on the audience ( like a lot of word choices ) .

    My understanding is that the term soccer was reasonably common in England till the 70s but then became a culture /class war issue and the toffs didn’t see it as an issue worth going to the barricades over

    Although doesn’t FIFA translate as International Federation of Association Football ?

    Anyway in speech I will generally use the local term .

    By the way Australians call what Americans call football ” gridiron ” .
    I’ve never known an American to take offense

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Soccer is a shortened version of association, rugby is strictly speak rugby football.
  156. @better moderation please
    If some of these comments about dead babies or Beyonce singing like a donkey go viral it will do more damage to the thoughtful work that Steve Sailer does.

    Delete the hateful comments. I can't imagine what you have to read through but you should err on the side of getting rid of the nonsense.

    Tiny Duck makes me laugh and I appreciate good humor, but don't let it go too far!

    Yes, better moderation please.

  157. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Bad joke time.

    Q: What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in the middle of the ocean?

    A: Photo op.


    Bodies of three babies pulled out of sea after migrant boat sinks off coast of Libya

    Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies of three children being pulled out of the Mediterranean sea after an ‘explosion’ on inflatable boat just off the coast of Libya.

    The heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies being carried out by rescue workers near Garaboulli, east of Tripoli.

    Shortly later, they received the news that over 100 people were missing at sea in that same region.

     

    Belated warning. Link contains SHOCKING pictures of DEAD BABIES.

    P.S. Womp Womp

    You’re a piece of dog mess

    This is why we NEED demographic change

    All the works has a white supremacy problem

    This is why we BEED just social programs lol he affirmative action

    I cannot believe how fragile white males are

  158. @AnotherDad

    Segregation is bad but Integration is bad, too. It all depends up on Who versus Whom.
     
    This is continually one of these things that is obvious, but the left is never called out on.

    The clear take home of the Michael Brown thing, where the left/activists/blacks/Democrats/NYT were claiming it was the height of evil for the gentle giant to have to listen to a white--white!--police officer, in majority black Ferguson is obviously ...
    ok, then we shouldn't have integrated suburbs like Ferguson, but separate white and black communities with separate white and black police forces. (Works for me!)

    Yet, i never heard a single Republican pop up and make that point. "Hey if black men just can't--shouldn't--be policed by white cops, that means we should live segregated communities."

    ~~~

    Another recurrent is blacks self-segragating--especially in schools--and demanding "black stuff". I don't remember details, but a bunch of the demands during the 2016 campus micro-aggression madness was for more black stuff! Black organizations, black studies, separate black dorms, etc.

    Anyone paying attention in America the last 40 or 50, realizes that blacks actually do not want to integrate and become dark "whites". Blacks actually like being black. While there are a few middle class--especially Christian--blacks who are happy to adopt white middle-class behavior, most blacks really do not want to behave according to (repressive) white norms. They like being black, want to behave like blacks, would rather be around blacks ... they just want white people to provide goodies.

    If what you say is true then why do Black Nen and white virus like having sex with each other?

    Seems like they like integration

    Your just making stuff up

    • Replies: @fish
    Ohs....Tinys.....

    I wundered wen U was gunna drop by on dis thred......and dat was a gud qwestshun......"why do Black Nen and white virus like having sex with each other"?

    Black Nen and white virus dem B 2 KKKrazy Kids


    Lendert "Plans on bendin Tinys ova teh sofa arm 2nite" Pitts burg
  159. @nebulafox
    Put briefly, failed physics (interested in condensed matter theory and computational stuff) manque turned remote software developer. I've always had a massive side interest with history, though, and that's how I eventually ended up reading some of Ron Unz's stuff, which led me here.

    (Don't give me too much credit for my replies, my lack of ability to explain myself concisely is a personal weakness I've developed over recent years, that I intend on addressing. I was diagnosed with ASD when I was a teenager, and though I'm a little cynical about psychiatrists and modern medical diagnosis fads these days, it is true that I do display... rather obsessive, detail-oriented tendencies.)

    I've more or less completely screwed up my life-I'm really not exaggerating here-and have hammered out a long-term strategy to turn it around over the past few months. This month, I start implementing it. We'll see how it works out, but one thing is for certain: I'm not going to throw the second half of my 20s down the drain like I did my first one. I'm going to die someday, life is way too short to piss it away-and you can do it easily. So, I intend on becoming more or less apolitical for the next 5 years to focus on other matters-above all rigorous self-improvement-because my views are extremely half-baked (isn't the saying "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"?), and based off of bits and pieces of knowledge I've managed to absorb from all over the place meshing with my personal experiences. It's really a helluva thing to wakeup to how uneducated you are in reality.

    Still, I can't say I regret running into this website wholly, despite all the time I've wasted commenting on here. Because along with some true kooks, I've learned a lot from some seriously interesting people, too.

    SJW-ism, a workforce that skews extremely young, and the autism spectrum are a volatile mix, and as people get several years out of college they tend to abandon other hobbies that sustain a healthy identity outside of their politics, so it’s probably a good move to be apolitical in the software world these days. Even if you can write the loveliest poems in praise of Chairman Mao, just by writing them you only risk being told they’re not lovely enough. Uncle Bob Martin got a whipping the other week for saying that although detaining migrant children away from their parents is really really bad and awful and horrible and bad, technically it’s not literally Hitler: https://twitter.com/unclebobmartin/status/1010152980988026881

    Things are a bit better outside of open-source and consumer-facing, ad-driven tech. Remote work can really help you stay outside the bubble. That hasn’t been a possibility for me, so I’m more inclined to strive for f-you money as a way to reclaim my sanity.

  160. @Anon

    Basically, wokeness is a form of cognitive shorthand for determining who are the Good Guys and who are the Bad Guys. Instead of having to laboriously work out via objective principles who in a situation is behaving better, you can just tell who is Good and who is Bad by looking at them or listening to them assert their identity claims.
     
    This has the potential to become another quotable Sailerism like "Political correctness is a war on noticing," but it needs to be shortened and honed to be catchier.

    "You're woke when you judge people by their identity, not their actions."

    Shorter, but not catchy.

    > Basically, wokeness is a form of cognitive shorthand for determining who are the Good Guys and who are the Bad Guys.

    Put another way, wokeness provides a fast and easy way for the good guys to stereotype. While stereotyping is inherently evil, it’s also good, when employed by the faithful of the Outer Party in the service of the Inner.

  161. @istevefan
    Since we are discussing Brazil, the USA and race, this essay from Theodore Roosevelt from 1914 is apt. Coincidentally it is archived here at unz.com. In this excerpt he is recounting a conversation he had in Brazil with some official about how the US and Brazil took a different approach to their race problem. This was written in 1914, so I wonder how Teddy and his Brazilian friend would react today.

    You speak of Brazil as having a large Negro population. Well, in a century there will not be any Negroes in Brazil, whereas you will have twenty or thirty millions of them. Then for you there will be a real and very uncomfortable problem, while for us the problem in its most menacing phase will have disappeared. You say that, this result will be accomplished only by an adulteration, and therefore a weakening, of the pure white blood. I grant that this will have,happened as regards a portion, perhaps a third, of our population. I regret this, but it is the least objectionable of the alternatives. We treat the Negro with entire respect, and he responds to the treatment. If a Negro shows capacity and integrity, he receives the same reward that a white man would receive. He has" therefore every incentive to rise. In the upper ranks of society there is no intermarriage with the Negro of pure or nearly pure blood ; but such intermarriage is frequent in the lower ranks, especially between the Negro and many classes of immigrants.

    The pure Negro is constantly growing less and less in numbers, and after two or more crosses of the white blood the Negro blood tends to disappear, so far as the physical, mental, and moral traits of the race are concerned. When he has disappeared, his blood will remain as an appreciable, but in no way a dominant, element in perhaps a third of our people, while the remaining two-thirds will be pure whites. Granted that this strain will represent a slight weakening in one-third of our population, the result will be that in our country two-thirds of the population will have kept its full strength, with one-third slightly weakened, while the Negro problem will have entirely disappeared. In your country all the white population will have been kept in its original race strength, but the Negro will remain in increased numbers and with an increased and bitter sense of his isolation, so that the problem of his presence will be more menacing than at present. I do not say that ours is a perfect solution, but I regard it as a better solution than yours. We and you have to face two alternatives neither of them without drawbacks. I believe that the one we Brazilians have chosen will in the long run, from the national standpoint, prove less disadvantageous and dangerous than the one you of the United States have chosen."
     

    The tragedy of Brazil ; a beautiful theory slain by an ugly fact.

  162. [T]he percentage represented by the African race is beginning to decline and must disappear into the whirlpool of the white race.

    I wonder if those words were written in 1914 before or after 28 July, and whether the author had any warning at all our ancestors would instead decide to spend a century (more or less) murdering each other en masse and refusing to reproduce while subsidising the reproduction of other races, then importing their gross overpopulation to displace the villains’ own posterity….

    We can go from boom to bust,
    From dreams to a bowl of dust;
    We can fall from the rocket’s red glare
    Down to brother can you spare
    Another war
    Another wasteland
    And another lost generation…?

    Obligatory curses to Baby Boomers and the Silent & Greatest – Har Har – Generation.

    (And, yes, I know NABBALT…)

  163. @24AheadDotCom
    I'm not going to bother with your links, but psychos like you make things easier for the bad guys. It'd hurt the bad guys to use my "false compassion" talking point, but people like you can't even comprehend it much less have the smarts to use it.

    As for Neymar, I don't care what color he is as long as he wins. The last BRA match had some missed connections but with the other big stars out he's going to be extra hungry to make it happen.

    OK. Boat sinks. News agency obtains photographs of what appear to be dead babies helpfully posed for the camera by rescuers on the scene. News agency publishes story with said photographs containing the lines:
    “Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies”, and
    “heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies”.

    I modify a classic “dead baby” joke to ridicule said behavior.

    And I’m the one that is being psychopathic?

    • Replies: @fish

    And I’m the one that is being psychopathic?
     
    No....you're the one making an effective point. Something the Corvys of this world can't let stand.
  164. Brazil incorporates the more talented mixed race people into the whitish ruling class, while America recruits talented mixed race people of privileged backgrounds like Jealous and Obama to be leaders of the entitled minorities.

    I’m pretty sure Obama was incorporated into the whitish ruling class as well.

  165. @Chrisnonymous
    I don't understand why this clip is so popular. I thought he did a poor job, missing many opportunities to turn the tables on her. Two examples:
    (1) when she calls him undemocratic, he could have called into question her definition of "democratic," (which doesn't mean, any longer in the EU, representative of the people);
    (2) when she blathers on about "European values", he should have called her out on her presumption and insisted that European values are enshrined in EU laws and treaties, which Hungary is following, though not Germany.

    Pat Buchanan should spend his remaining years holding seminars for our people on debating/dealing with journalists.

    I think he did very well for someone put on the spot.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Wrote a reply, but it got lost in Cloudflare DDoS redirect...
  166. @ElitistSettler
    I've watched the market value of "whiteness" plummet in my own lifetime. I'm a pale northern middle easterner who is almost universally mistaken for a white person. This was something I quite liked as recently as maybe 5 years ago. Whiteness was the default in a sense and it felt safe to melt into the masses.

    Not so today. "Whiteness" reeks of awkward sexual impotence and general uncoolness. It feels like one is being made complicit in everything from trump to Nickelback to the slave trade.

    I can't run the other way quickly enough. I trumpet my foreign sounding last name, put down "middle eastern" when asked for my race on paperwork and generally do more ethnic shit in and out of the home.

    While whiteness may draw in fringe elements in places like Brazil, it certainly doesn't have the same draw here in the States.

    This is actually a really good example of how much of modern politics has its basis in mental illness.

  167. @Lot
    Women and children were last, 100% of them dead. 100% of the survivors were men.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/29/15/4DC1AF9F00000578-5901217-image-a-39_1530281468395.jpg

    It is getting really Camp of Sainty out there. The raw numbers are down quite a bit from 1-4 years ago. But Italy and Malta stopped taking them. Merkel is begging, and bribing and demanding Spain take them. But she could be out of power in the next week.

    Women actually are mentioned:

    Up to 15 women were on board the vessel

    13% women
    2% babies
    3% children
    83% men

  168. @bartok

    How much of UChicago’s new “admission interviews” are to get around affirmative action fraud – that is, white people not admitting they are white?
     
    Didn't iSteve just write that whites don't do that? SOUL MAN was a movie, not real life.

    More interesting than your conjecture is the complete failure of the media to understand what elite universities are up to when they make the SAT optional: They can, sotto voce, encourage the diversity applicants to skip the test. Then it doesn't affect the US News scores.

    But the possibility of such maneuvering never entered the minds of the journalists 'reporting' on the new policy.

    They can, sotto voce, encourage the diversity applicants to skip the test. Then it doesn’t affect the US News scores.

    And the legacies and donation based applicants, if necessary.

  169. res says:
    @Anon

    Basically, wokeness is a form of cognitive shorthand for determining who are the Good Guys and who are the Bad Guys. Instead of having to laboriously work out via objective principles who in a situation is behaving better, you can just tell who is Good and who is Bad by looking at them or listening to them assert their identity claims.
     
    This has the potential to become another quotable Sailerism like "Political correctness is a war on noticing," but it needs to be shortened and honed to be catchier.

    "You're woke when you judge people by their identity, not their actions."

    Shorter, but not catchy.

    I thought it was just “who, whom?” Who being the Good Guys and whom the Bad Guys.

    “You’re woke when you judge people by their identity, not their actions.”

    But that is a nice, and more explicit, way to put it.

    Perhaps a nod to MLK:

    You’re woke when you judge people by the color of their skin, not by the content of their character.

  170. @Daniel Chieh
    I think he did very well for someone put on the spot.

    Wrote a reply, but it got lost in Cloudflare DDoS redirect…

  171. @better moderation please
    If some of these comments about dead babies or Beyonce singing like a donkey go viral it will do more damage to the thoughtful work that Steve Sailer does.

    Delete the hateful comments. I can't imagine what you have to read through but you should err on the side of getting rid of the nonsense.

    Tiny Duck makes me laugh and I appreciate good humor, but don't let it go too far!

    Agree. Steve should censor all links to trashy British tabloids.

    Just look at this example…

    mirror.co.uk [Proud to support Pride]

    Bodies of three tiny children … WARNING – DISTRESSING IMAGES … (caption:) A man carries the body of a baby … Shocking images have emerged of the dozens of migrants who drowned … Babies can be seen … (caption:) The bodies of three young children …

    It could provoke commentators to mockery. Possibly even a … dead baby joke.

    • Replies: @Anon
    1. Why are the babies white?

    2. What do we need a caption to tell us the baby's were recovered at sea? Because they look like normal, living babies, that's why. Dead bodies that have been at sea for more than a short while do not look like that. I will leave the Google Images research up to you. A baby would not be immediately identifiable as a baby if it had been dead at sea for a day or more. It would be a weird (not really that gross) swollen blob. Bacteria create gases. Things filled with gases want to become spheres. They either become spheres or they explode.

    3. The overuse of trigger warnings has reached the point that nobody believes them anymore. They are a form of clickbait.

  172. @Hunsdon
    Excommunicated by Pope Corvy! I like your new turn of pretending to be a Christian, Corvy. It's a change from your usual line. Will you keep it up?

    “Excommunicated by Pope Corvy!”

    Keep it up with your flippant attitudes regarding human life.

    “I like your new turn of pretending to be a Christian, Corvy.”

    There’s no pretending on my part. I’ll ask again, are you a Christian?

  173. @DFH

    Moreover there is yet another reason for which, out of charity, we love more those who are more nearly connected with us, since we love them in more ways. For, towards those who are not connected with us we have no other friendship than charity, whereas for those who are connected with us, we have certain other friendships, according to the way in which they are connected. Now since the good on which every other friendship of the virtuous is based, is directed, as to its end, to the good on which charity is based, it follows that charity commands each act of another friendship, even as the art which is about the end commands the art which is about the means. Consequently this very act of loving someone because he is akin or connected with us, or because he is a fellow-countryman or for any like reason that is referable to the end of charity, can be commanded by charity, so that, out of charity both eliciting and commanding, we love in more ways those who are more nearly connected with us.
     
    http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3026.htm#article7

    Why don’t you offer what you believe this passage exactly refers to, and then we can begin a conversation.

    Because, to me, all it is saying is that we love those to whom we are close to more, but that does not mean we love less those we are distant to. In addition, a Christian may offer his charity to those whom they do not know, or are close to, in a wide range of ways, which would include making sure those people are secure and safe, since the act of charity is act an friendship.

    • Replies: @adreadline

    Because, to me, all it is saying is that we love those to whom we are close to more, but that does not mean we love less those we are distant to.
     
    This sentence is illogical. Yes, that is what it precisely means. If we love those to whom we are close to more (assuming more is modifying love), we necessarily love less those who we are distant to.
  174. @Truth

    True white –> Alt Right designation

    Exceptional white –> Alt Right designation + trace ancestors directly from 13 colonies
     

    I'm thinking a few more "bads" would go a long way toward white-folk's happiness

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/03/16/tranny-surprise-w-mike-cernovich/

    http://afropunk.com/2017/10/neo-nazi-milo-yiannopouloss-black-husband-proves-cant-help-love-white-supremacist-bullshit/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/14/matthew-heimbach-neo-nazi-white-nationalism-arrest-domestic-violence

    In light of your research, a new category in born for the “Probably Good” category. Thanks for helping me NOTICE.

    Honorary white –> Alt Right designates its allies white for now, but when the Second Civil War comes, then all bets are off

  175. @Karl
    20 Corvinus > The higher social classes of the natives, seeking to fit in with their invaders


    according to my understanding..... that's NOT what happened.

    What happened is that the remnants of the Maya happily joined the Spaniards in crushing the Aztecs who had enslaved and genocided them.

    “What happened is that the remnants of the Maya happily joined the Spaniards in crushing the Aztecs who had enslaved and genocided them.”

    We are talking about Brazil here, not Mexico. Regardless, the Spaniards after taking care of the Aztecs intermarried with the local population and created a race based hierarchy.

  176. @AnotherDad
    In short, Brazil--like America, only worse--had really messed up with slavery. The whites in charge realized they had a big problem and developed a reasonable program to fix it.

    Not perfect. Better would have been sending slave descendants back to Africa, but that would have been very difficult to accomplish. Overall level-headed and reasonable like public policy is supposed to be.

    (Compared to the insane policies promoted by European and Anglo-sphere elites, these guys showed absolute genius!)

    “Overall level-headed and reasonable like public policy is supposed to be.”

    Are you referring to a society based on a strict racial hierarchy? If yes, that is NOT “level headed” and “reasonable public policy”.

    Praytell, if you are Christian, how does this arrangement fall in line with Scripture?

  177. @Corvinus
    Obviously you are not a holy man. Damn you to hell with your "joke".

    Here something that's REALLY funny, compliments of (Christian) Vox Day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwayjaEJTk4

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?

    Probably not! But there would be some who would…….

    I leave it the reader to figure out who!

  178. @Chrisnonymous
    OT:

    How can Merkel keep holding on?! Ugh! Frustrating!

    How can Merkel keep holding on?!

    The same reason the loser Clintons retain such influence over politics here……access to personal dirt on people!

    In the Clintons case, look into the FBI file scandal. With Merkel the STASI files that she inherited when East Germany crumbled!

  179. @Hunsdon
    Excommunicated by Pope Corvy! I like your new turn of pretending to be a Christian, Corvy. It's a change from your usual line. Will you keep it up?

    Will you keep it up?

    Until he’s distracted by the next shiny object worthy of virtue signaling over!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    I didn't realize that opposing murder is virtue signaling.
  180. @Bliss

    After 1965, the ruling class mounted a campaign to de-whiten the majority-white population, by fully subsidizing the immigration of over 47 million non-Europeans
     
    But they didn’t get any free land as the millions of northwestern European immigrants did in the 19th century.

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.

    Brazil gave away free land to European immigrants as well.

    I know you’re taking the journalist’s word, but she is lying. Most of the immigrants got no land at all, only the promise that if they worked hard they could save money to buy land. Most immigrants went to the state of São Paulo to work on coffee land owned by our elites.

    The people who got “free” land were those sent to the Southern frontier to populate the wilderness and discourage Argentinian landgrabbing. And by “free”, read “sold to be paid in 20 years”.

  181. @AnotherDad
    I know next to nothing about Brazil, but apparently, the 21st century trendline in Brazil:

    -- the Lula socialist win tapping the black vote
    -- the affirmative action stuff
    -- the massive corruption scandals in both Lula's administrator and his successor Dilma Rouseff
    -- the recession

    have kicked off a renewal of southern (whiter) successionist sentiment.

    ~~~

    BTW, it's interesting that in mixed Brazil the last two presidents are 2nd-generate immigrant whites--Dilma Rouseff (Bulgaria) and Michel Temer (Lebanese Maronite Christian)--unmixed 0% black.

    the Lula socialist win tapping the black vote

    This part is a modern retcon; when he got elected in 2002, it was still gauche to talk about racial identity. His campaign tapped to Northeastern vote, appealing to their resentment of being less developed than the Southeast and their pride at electing one of their own to be President.

    the affirmative action stuff

    Yes, that part is true and crazy.

    the massive corruption scandals in both Lula’s administrator and his successor Dilma Rouseff

    Also true.

    the recession have kicked off a renewal of southern (whiter) successionist sentiment.

    This part is fanfiction. There is no serious separatist movement. Even a new Secession in the US in the next two years is more realistic.

  182. @anonymous

    All someone had to do to get out of the draft was to say he was gay
     
    It worked for Malcolm Little.

    It was apparently true in his case.

  183. Off topic: to quote a reporter,

    “… high school juniors around the country sit for the Preliminary SAT. The students who score the highest on the PSAT become contenders for National Merit Scholarship.”

    The newspaper published all the PMSAT exam reports for the state this year. I found the student full names and lack of some pre-names is interesting. It ranges from one to twenty students per HS in Oregon. Mostly in wealthy areas.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/life_and_culture/erry-2018/07/bcc598034e1349/which_oregon_high_schools_had.html#incart_m-rpt-2

    • Replies: @Sandmich
    I find it interesting how they worked in unrelated photos of black students so that the article wouldn't be a giant white/asian parade.
  184. OT: But still World Cup related.

    World Cup Fans From China, Africa Use Visa-Free Travel to Seek Asylum in Finland

    http://www.newsweek.com/non-european-asylum-seekers-use-world-cup-ids-enter-finland-987218

    Nigerians gunna hustle, na?

    The five people who crossed the border to ask for asylum were Nigerian, Moroccan and Chinese nationals. Marko Saareks, the Finnish border guard’s head of security and risk analysis, told Reuters the Nigerian individual arrived in Finland with a falsified Brazilian passport on Friday. Two days later, three Moroccan men passed into the country.

    Reuters reported that the government was looking into each case for potential immigration offenses.

    The journey taken by the asylum seekers was not a brief one. “They had walked for 12 hours and managed to cross the territorial border,” Ville Mihl, the border guard’s head investigator, told Reuters.

    Additional attempts of people trying to gain access to Europe using their World Cup fan identity papers have also been reported by authorities. An unnamed Russian police source also said that 10 people from African and Asian nations who had purchased World Cup tickets were prevented from entering Finland and Norway. The source additionally stated that two Moroccans were being tried after they were found in Murmansk, a city near Russia’s border with Norway.

    In a separate incident, Anton Bychkovsky, the Belarusian border guard’s press secretary, said that four Moroccans with World Cup documents were stopped while trying to enter Poland on Friday.

  185. @nebulafox
    Temporarily breaking my promise, because Brazil has always interested me...

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is... an interesting definition of "well", to say the least. It's more like differing levels of Dante's Inferno. But it is true that compared that the sheer culture of sadism that dominated sugar plantations in Brazil was on an entirely different level. The mortality rates of slaves there was such that it was genuinely cheaper for owners to import new slaves than to bring them up.

    There's a lot of reasons why Brazilian plantations were so brutal. A big one was that they were sent to cultivate sugar, a particularly thankless slave assignment. But another was the nature of the colony. The Portuguese were there to exploit, get rich, and go home, not build stable families and a society like the English. One interesting thing I've discovered is that although both the British and Portuguese had the practice of shipping convicts abroad, the nature of the criminals were radically different. The British sent debtors, drunks, the generally indigent, etc. There was a genuine idealistic intention that they'd turn over a new leaf abroad from themselves, and maybe even start families, given the sizable female convict contingent among prostitutes and petty thieves. And many did end up staying of their own free will.

    The Portuguese degradados, by contrast, were incorrigible, "professional" offenders: murderers, rapists, arsonists, violent robbers. Uniformly young, single, male, and malignant: and the Portuguese essentially dumped them on the shore and left them to their own devices, the only condition being that they don't dare try to come back. Portugal neither had the ability or inclination to discipline them. So they essentially had free reign to run wild. Naturally, that meant the slaves suffered.

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is… an interesting definition of “well”, to say the least. It’s more like differing levels of Dante’s Inferno.

    Given that slavery is a manifest evil, treating one’s slaves “well” is self-evidently a relative proposition. And as I was explicitly comparing Brazil to America, it was even more obvious. The numbers speak for themselves. Brazilian slavery was more akin to Arab slavery than to English slavery and even within the sub-genre of English slavery negroes cost much more than white slaves. Sheer common sense dictates you treat more expensive property better than cheap property.

    Michael Hoffman, a historian Ron Unz has given some attention to here recently, has an interesting book “They Were White and They Were Slaves” that provides a comparison of negro vs white slaves in America. There’s a full PDF here: http://www.solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/they-were-white-and-they-were-slaves-michael-a-hoffman-ii.pdf. It may also be on Unz.org, but a quick peek didn’t reveal it to me.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Absolutely. I understand what you are getting at, and I think we agree. Thanks, I'll take a look.

    My personal go-to comparison for American slaves are Russian serfs-they even got liberated in the same decade. To be sure, serfs did have some (very theoretical) rights in the last century of serfdom's existence that American slaves lacked until the end. But in practice, it was more or less the same thing, though. Treatment depended on the master to a large degree, and they could run the gamut from benevolent to sadistic. But serfs were legally bound to the land-and the masters could do whatever they wanted to them.

    I think we can find a nice middle ground between noting that there were indeed worse fates (Brazilian sugar plantations being a prime example) and acknowledging that American slavery (and Russian serfdom) was still a gross atrocity for which there was no moral justification. Russian serfs and American slaves were routinely mistreated, abused, and not treated like human beings, but generally, employers economically valued them enough to at least keep them alive. In Brazil, on the other hand, it was just cheaper to import new ones if the old ones died off, given the nature of sugar harvesting: add in the specific nature of the Portuguese colonization, and for many wretched Africans, a trip to Brazil really was a death sentence. A heavily male, single society on all sides of the equation, lacking any form of family ties whatsoever-the Portuguese didn't want slave families and focused heavily on young, male slaves-led to a predictably psychopathic, power-oriented culture. I think the latter part of this changed down the line, but still, the scars reverberated. I can't help but wonder if some of Brazil's political problems go back to the mentality caused by the initial colonization. Show up and collect...

    As I mentioned, if you were an especially unlucky African, you could get a "degredado" fresh from a Portuguese death row cell as your owner. While psychopathic owners also existed in Russia and the USA, there was never a concerted effort to haul up every hardcore psychotic tattooed murderer in the nation and dump them somewhere with free reign over an enslaved populace, just to keep them far away from you and occupied.

  186. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?"

    Yes, white Democratic voters in Portland OR would cheer, for example.

    The beauty, creativity, beauty, intelligence, beauty, civility, and beauty of whites is something to cherish, not drown in a bloody miasma of miscegenation and genocide.

    “Yes, white Democratic voters in Portland OR would cheer, for example.”

    An ultra liberal constituent laughing at children dying? Now you’re just trolling.

    “The beauty, creativity, beauty, intelligence, beauty, civility, and beauty of whites is something to cherish, not drown in a bloody miasma of miscegenation and genocide.”

    The beauty of the human race is what matters.
    Race mixing is not genocide.
    So how does race mixing personally impact you and your family?

    • Replies: @Saxon
    It means fewer white people which has practical consequences of more and harsher anti-white policies as whites become a smaller percentage of the population.

    Do the <10% of the population Boers get a fair shake as a minority? Well no, of course not.

    Race mixing is genocide if forced upon us with social engineering pressures with the intent to wipe us out. Which is exactly what is happening.
    , @Mr. Rational

    So how does race mixing personally impact you and your family?
     
    You mean, besides bringing crime-prone friends and relations into my neighborhood, spawning behavior problems to crap up my kids' schools, expanding the pool of those eligible for affirmative action when my own family is not, destroying the unique and irreplaceable phenotype evolved over millennia, and helping to normalize the idea that white people should go extinct By Any Means Necessary?

    Besides that?  Well, give me a few minutes to think.
  187. @sb
    "Football " is a generic term .
    I often write " association football " when I need to refer to the game Americans and the majority of the English speaking world call " soccer ". But it usually depends on the audience ( like a lot of word choices ) .

    My understanding is that the term soccer was reasonably common in England till the 70s but then became a culture /class war issue and the toffs didn't see it as an issue worth going to the barricades over

    Although doesn't FIFA translate as International Federation of Association Football ?

    Anyway in speech I will generally use the local term .

    By the way Australians call what Americans call football " gridiron " .
    I've never known an American to take offense

    Soccer is a shortened version of association, rugby is strictly speak rugby football.

  188. @better moderation please
    If some of these comments about dead babies or Beyonce singing like a donkey go viral it will do more damage to the thoughtful work that Steve Sailer does.

    Delete the hateful comments. I can't imagine what you have to read through but you should err on the side of getting rid of the nonsense.

    Tiny Duck makes me laugh and I appreciate good humor, but don't let it go too far!

    “How do you do, fellow right-wingers…”

  189. @fish

    Will you keep it up?
     
    Until he's distracted by the next shiny object worthy of virtue signaling over!

    I didn’t realize that opposing murder is virtue signaling.

    • Replies: @fish
    Every nitwit who gets on those boats knows that they are taking a risk.....even more if the European nations decide to stop rendering aid.

    If those ships are turned around do you think ships from the African countries will fire upon them?


    Keep up your moral preening Corvy.....you're a veritable Mozart at it!
    , @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double
    Only when the Left deems it useful to the acquisition of power. Otherwise, well, those Kulaks really just had it coming...
  190. @Corvinus
    Europeans, specifically the Portuguese and the Spanish, created a racial based hierarchy that become embedded in Central and South America. The lighter the skin, the more “rights and privileges” one received. The higher social classes of the natives, seeking to fit in with their invaders, I mean conquerors, I mean guests, bought into this system. Over the centuries, through “race realism propaganda” the lightening of one’s skin and the focus on darker skinned natives creating lighter-skinned offspring with whites was promoted.

    Racial mixing came about early in Brazil’s history. There is a “color”, not “race” hierarchy, in this nation. There was a controversial study conducted by the government in the 1970′s that perpetuated the European myth that “whiter is better”. It asked people to describe their skin color–respondents used at least 134 different terms. Moreover, the national census has five categories: indigenous, yellow, white, pardo (or brown) and preto, or dark-skinned.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/05/brazils-new-problem-with-blackness-affirmative-action/

    “Unlike in America, “miscegenation” played an integral role in Brazilian nation-building. White settlers skewed heavily male, and they were vastly outnumbered by people of color. Relationships between white settlers and indigenous, and latter black enslaved women, were not only accepted, but encouraged by colonial authorities (although for the women, they were rarely consensual). By 1872, whites made up only 38 percent of the population. If interracial relationships were widespread prior to the abolition of slavery in 1888, they became a matter of national duty afterward."

    “That didn’t happen “just because we all happened to get along,” said Mirtes Santos, a law student and Coletivo Negrada member. “It was a way to erase black identity.” Brazil’s government launched a full-on propaganda and policy effort to “whiten” Brazil: It closed the country’s borders to African immigrants, denied black Brazilians the rights to lands inhabited by the descendants of runaway slaves, and subsidized the voyage of millions of German and Italian workers, providing them with citizenship, land grants, and stipends when they arrived.”

    …and subsidized the voyage of millions of German and Italian workers, providing them with citizenship, land grants, and stipends when they arrived.”

    Sorry to spoil the fun, but, as usual, this Black Power chick is exaggerating.

    The “subsidized voyage” was never for the “millions”. Both in Brazil and in Argentina, it was tried as means to increase the immigration, and failed. The government didn’t have money to make it work, and the quality of the subsidized immigrants was clearly inferior to that of the normal immigrants, so the program was dropped.

    The lands were mostly granted to private settlement companies, which then sold them to the immigrants (with some 20-30 years to pay) on contracts that often stipulated which improvements they had to do in the land during the time, on penalty of losing what they had already paid.

    The “stipend” was the right to be hosted in the Immigration Hotel for one week.

    Bear in mind that most of the immigrants didn’t arrive to occupy new land in the frontier, but to substitute the slaves in the coffee farms of São Paulo. They were definitely not treated like precious European blood to redeem the nation.

  191. @Whiskey
    A large part of American and European attitudes is that Black people went from untermenschen though amusing/tolerable ones as comic relief (look at any 1930's Three Stooges short with Black people in it) or in Europe as noble savages to Ubermenschen destined to rule boring old White guys because of the greater Extraversion of African peoples on average.

    Sure the odd Ta-Nehi Coates can be a morose introvert like say your Average Finn, but on average Black people are far more extraverted, and that creates the view among much higher White introverts that hey, these guys must be the master race because they sure talk a lot and very confident.

    This HBD set of traits alone accounts for the dominance of Black people in America and European societies, Canada, etc. Particularly since women dominate more and more Western society through female-driven consumerism, female values such as extraversion in men become more and more important, and actually accomplishing anything becomes irrelevant. For women and a female-driven society it is all about status and social positioning and dominance, not any real tangible results.

    Brazil is a much more violent society top to bottom so actual real accomplishment means something -- the money and power to move into a gated community guarded by men with rifles.

    Well said! Not to mention the enormous cost to a Brazilian woman whose “baby-daddy” is poor.

  192. @JerseyJeffersonian
    Oh, come on now, stop with the This Present Day B.S. Compared to some black singer of real elegance and artistry, say Ella Fitzgerald, or Sarah Vaughn, this woman should properly be relegated to braying to hail taxicabs in front of a 5-star hotel. And she feels that it is so-o-o classy flaunting the flesh unlike true, black, female vocal artists of the past. Couple this with her Hate Cops i.e. YT routine at the Super Bowl, and it is really No Sale.

    Oh, and if you would like to add to the list of black females who have both superior pipes & taste, look no further than Jessye Norman. A few years back I had the priviledge to hear her perform Berlioz' Les Nuits d'Etes with the Philadelphia Orchestra. Talk about sheer vocal mastery, coupled with interpretive genius.

    Jessye Norman, seconded.

  193. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    Does Brazil have a fakestream media or a (((fakestream media)))? The Flight From White in the US is 95% stoked by our Europhobic media (and 5% by AA set-asides).

    Science proves mankind arose in Africa, so all Americans are African Americans. Now, you're not against Science, are you? I mean, we don't need a resurgence of the Salem witch trials, phrenology, and literally Hitler's insane Aryan Superman theories.

    On any gubmint form, you are White African-American. Sciences proves it.

    On the 2020 census, you are NOT a US citizen if you live in a blue state -- how deplorably provincial! You are a citizen of the world. In 2020 let's shave a couple electoral votes off Cali, Oregon, Washington, and New York and hand them over to Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, maybe even the Dakotas.

    #worldcitizen2020

    The number of da Joos is not super-relevant here, and they tend to be represented on both sides. Our problem is that we have the habit of copying everything stupid that you produce in the US, from hip-hop to racial quotas to open borders advocacy.

  194. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    He was frustrated that in America he was considered black. He was considered white in Jamaica.
     
    I’ve occasionally read accounts of similar dissonance in newcomers from various cultures. Is it a low IQ thing with them? Certainly your acquaintance had seen, in Jamaica, Hollywood movies with white actors—which generally don’t look (or sound) like mixed-race Jamaicans.

    Certainly your acquaintance had seen, in Jamaica, Hollywood movies with white actors—which generally don’t look (or sound) like mixed-race Jamaicans.

    The answer is that they consider themselves “white enough”. They know they are not fully white and don’t look like Hollywood actors – but then, not every white has blue eyes, blond hair, thin nose, and pink skin. They think (and in their countries, it’s true) that they are close enough to white appearance to be considered white.

    When they realize this is not enough in America, they get very upset.

  195. @nebulafox
    "Somewhat" understates it. The policy succeeded to an extent beyond what any of the originators could have envisioned. Greater Sao Paulo alone probably has more people of Italian or German ethnicity than any corresponding city in modern Italy or Germany. On the non-European side of things, Brazil also hosts the largest Japanese community outside of Japan, as well as a very high-octane Maronite Lebanese (why is it that they do well no matter where they end up? Serious question-Mexico, US, Brazil, anywhere you go, Maronites do great economically) demographic. To put this in context, Brazil in the 1800s made antebellum South Carolina look as white as Poland, such was the demographics. It still has more black people than any country save Nigeria.

    The other side of the equation was that, unlike the US, the Brazilians very actively tried to get upwardly mobile Afro-Brazilians to intermarry into the white populace-the idea being that over the course of several generations, it would be bred out. Theodore Roosevelt wrote a scientific article on it after his Presidency when he was exploring the Amazon. I believe it is on this website somewhere.

    As for its Spanish neighbors in the modern era, I don't think Brazil has ever dealt with mass working-class immigration from poorer South American countries like richer Southern Cone neighbors like Argentina has. Probably a lot of reasons. Brazil already has a massively poor population in the Bahia to satisfy cheap labor demands from the plutocratic class. Brazil's got endless jungle separating the major population centers from Bolivia, Peru, etc,. Brazil had an awkward relationship with a lot of other governments during the Cold War, not least because Brazil understandably saw itself as a rising potential big power. (One interesting note: Brazil and the US collaborated in anti-Allende intelligence actions during the Medici era. Anti-Communism and everything sure, but Brazil was also interested in becoming a regional hegemon.)

    Brazil is also, culturally speaking, very much "separate" from the rest of the world-very idiosyncratic. Gigantic country. Much like the United States in this regard, actually. Why would an impoverished Bolivian head there rather than Chile or Argentina-where they aren't even probably richer than Brazil, but even speak the same language?

    “Somewhat” understates it. The policy succeeded to an extent beyond what any of the originators could have envisioned.

    Yes, it went beyond what they were comfortable with, especially in the case of the Germans, who were seen with suspicion.

    Why would an impoverished Bolivian head there rather than Chile or Argentina-where they aren’t even probably richer than Brazil, but even speak the same language?

    We do have many Bolivians in São Paulo, but you got everything right in your comment. The cultural isolation is the main reason why we have to deal with some 15-50 thousand Venezuelan refugees while Colombia has to care for almost one million.

    • Replies: @adreadline
    Of note, Bolivians in São Paulo are not limited to sweatshop work. True, you did not say they were, but I myself did not realize that until recently. There are quite a few of them in the University of São Paulo, including as STEM professors. They seem quite satisfied here, though apparently nobody worldwide gives much attention to USP. Perhaps studying and working here is better than about anything they could do in Bolivia? La Paz doesn't look like an exceptionally bad place to live, but it is even more isolated than São Paulo.

    Many do not speak our language very well; I don't know if it's because they're able to get their point across speaking Spanish/Portuñol and so view it as unnecessary, or if it's because Brazilian Portuguese is very difficult to learn for Spanish speakers.

  196. @Reg Cæsar

    Yet Brazil is being lorded over us as an examplar of virtue while America (white america) epitomizes evil.
     
    Brazil was smart enough to whiten the country somewhat through immigration. So were we.

    But then we blew it. The Brazilians held firm.

    That's why you won't hear, "Para espanhol, disca o numero dois."

    But then we blew it. The Brazilians held firm.

    Sadly, Brazil didn’t. The Brazilian government and intelligentsia are just as dazed by Immigration Redemption as you in America.

    We don’t have that many immigrants not due to policy, but because (1) we are not wealthy enough to attract them, (2) we speak a language almost nobody even knows exist, (3) we are far away from everywhere, (4) the country is so violent that even Angolans and Mozambicans think twice before coming, and (5) the government is so incompetent that fails at its efforts to bring and fixate Diverses.

    • Replies: @ElitistSettler
    This is why I laugh when folks praise places like Russia for "keeping out" the immigrants. In reality, it's somewhat unclear what the Russian policy towards immigration might be. They certainly haven't made an effort to slow or reverse the yellow-ing of the Russian east. Russia's (and Eastern Europe's) main deterrents to immigration are its language and its dysfunction. Russia has a higher murder rate and a worse drug problem than most countries in the middle east and even parts of North Africa. Not to mention the unemployment and a chronically stagnant economy. They red-pilled so hard that their country is an immigrant repellent shithole. I personally like to think of this as the "skunk solution" to immigration.
  197. @istevefan
    Since we are discussing Brazil, the USA and race, this essay from Theodore Roosevelt from 1914 is apt. Coincidentally it is archived here at unz.com. In this excerpt he is recounting a conversation he had in Brazil with some official about how the US and Brazil took a different approach to their race problem. This was written in 1914, so I wonder how Teddy and his Brazilian friend would react today.

    You speak of Brazil as having a large Negro population. Well, in a century there will not be any Negroes in Brazil, whereas you will have twenty or thirty millions of them. Then for you there will be a real and very uncomfortable problem, while for us the problem in its most menacing phase will have disappeared. You say that, this result will be accomplished only by an adulteration, and therefore a weakening, of the pure white blood. I grant that this will have,happened as regards a portion, perhaps a third, of our population. I regret this, but it is the least objectionable of the alternatives. We treat the Negro with entire respect, and he responds to the treatment. If a Negro shows capacity and integrity, he receives the same reward that a white man would receive. He has" therefore every incentive to rise. In the upper ranks of society there is no intermarriage with the Negro of pure or nearly pure blood ; but such intermarriage is frequent in the lower ranks, especially between the Negro and many classes of immigrants.

    The pure Negro is constantly growing less and less in numbers, and after two or more crosses of the white blood the Negro blood tends to disappear, so far as the physical, mental, and moral traits of the race are concerned. When he has disappeared, his blood will remain as an appreciable, but in no way a dominant, element in perhaps a third of our people, while the remaining two-thirds will be pure whites. Granted that this strain will represent a slight weakening in one-third of our population, the result will be that in our country two-thirds of the population will have kept its full strength, with one-third slightly weakened, while the Negro problem will have entirely disappeared. In your country all the white population will have been kept in its original race strength, but the Negro will remain in increased numbers and with an increased and bitter sense of his isolation, so that the problem of his presence will be more menacing than at present. I do not say that ours is a perfect solution, but I regard it as a better solution than yours. We and you have to face two alternatives neither of them without drawbacks. I believe that the one we Brazilians have chosen will in the long run, from the national standpoint, prove less disadvantageous and dangerous than the one you of the United States have chosen."
     

    I think I have already commented on this (very good) essay in another Steve post. It’s clear that the Brazilian official was being too optimistic, but the main objective of the plan was achieved: Brazil largely destroyed organized Blackness, and prevented the surge of racial identity politics that plagued the US. The fact that even today (when our government and intelligentsia have being hammering American racial discourse for more than 15 years) Neymar refuses to define himself as black attests how strong the strategy has been.

  198. …he was asked if he had ever experienced racism. “Never. Not in the field, nor outside of it,” he replied.

    “It’s not like I’m black, you know?”

    It’s funny how the Smart People always try to interpretate what the commoners say by actively disregarding what the commoners say.

    You know, maybe he just said he never had faced racism because he really never did. I mean, he was 18 at the time and his whole life revolved around his family (which is mixed and loves him), his evangelical church (pentecostalism is popular among the lower classes), and soccer (which is definitely not hostile to blacks). The same goes for his not being black: in these environments, he is clearly not black, but mixed.

    Sure, he would possibly suffer racism when frequenting high society, but at the time he didn’t frequent these spaces.

  199. @Corvinus
    Obviously you are not a holy man. Damn you to hell with your "joke".

    Here something that's REALLY funny, compliments of (Christian) Vox Day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwayjaEJTk4

    Would whites be laughing if those were white babies who drowned?

    I was disappointed in Matteo Salvini simply stopping the Medcine Sans Frontiers ship from docking.

    Salvini should have let the ship dock, then had the Italian police go on board, seize the ship and arrest the crew for human-trafficing. (That is clearly what Medicine Sans Frontiers and these other NGOs are doing–providing the last link of trafficing to Europe.) (I’d hang the crews from the yard arm, but i realize AnotherDad consciousness is not universal, so arrest and trial for human trafficing will have to suffice.) Then have the Navy crew the ship, sail it back to Libya, disembark the invaders. The ship–seized under whatever RICO like statues Italy has for organized crime–should be used for invader capture operations, or simply sunk for artificial reef.

    While welcoming the change from full cucks it is not “based” to simply play hot potato with other Europeans–one of which will always seem to have a cucky government at one time or another.

    Rather nationalists–Italian nationalists on the front line–need to end the invasion.

    One of the (pathetic) tropes of the globalists is the flow “can not be stopped”. It’s not just false, but absolutely ridiculous. In all of human history there has never been a power imbalance between putuative invaders and the target of their conquest as gaping as this. Never.

    Not only can the invaders be stopped, they can be stopped easily by a fraction of the Italian Navy going out on patrol. Intercept the boats. Force them to turn back. Or board them. (If they refuse sink them.) Invaders towed or rescued back to Libya and dumped ashore. Boats sunk. Any trafficers found are arrested, bound, imprisoned–maybe some Devil’s Island scenario somehwere. (It’s a shame Europe has squashed the death penalty–that itself is a sign of an unserious place, unwilling to acknowledge it’s right to squash attacks upon civilization.) That’s it. When the operation is disrupted and can’t get people to Europe, it will completely collapse. Problem solved.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    BTW, the whole Mediterranean invasion thing is another opportunity for Trump.

    Tweet out something like:

    "Congrats to Matteo Salvini and Italian people for standing strong and refusing Medicine Sans Frontiers human trafficing ship."

    "US Sixth Fleet stands ready to render any assistance to our Italian friends in putting a final end to human traifficing across the Mediterranean."

    "America stands with our Italian friends against this human trafficing invasion!"
    , @Corvinus
    "Salvini should have let the ship dock, then had the Italian police go on board, seize the ship and arrest the crew for human-trafficing. (That is clearly what Medicine Sans Frontiers and these other NGOs are doing–providing the last link of trafficing to Europe.)"

    A decidedly more palatable and humane way of addressing the situation rather than blowing it up to Kingdom Come.

    "(I’d hang the crews from the yard arm, but i realize AnotherDad consciousness is not universal, so arrest and trial for human trafficing will have to suffice.)"

    Yes, there's something called due process here.

    "Then have the Navy crew the ship, sail it back to Libya, disembark the invaders."

    They're not invaders, they're refugees. But your solution is still reasonable.

    "The ship–seized under whatever RICO like statues Italy has for organized crime–should be used for invader capture operations, or simply sunk for artificial reef."

    Now you are getting a bit off track here. One has to have evidence that organized crime is involved. And sinking the ships is not an option for a civilized nation, especially if the people are fleeing a war torn land.

    "While welcoming the change from full cucks it is not “based” to simply play hot potato with other Europeans–one of which will always seem to have a cucky government at one time or another."

    "Cucks" and "cucky" are observably overused terms. They have lost their meaning.

    "Rather nationalists–Italian nationalists on the front line–need to end the invasion."

    How about YOU go there and stop it.

    "Not only can the invaders be stopped, they can be stopped easily by a fraction of the Italian Navy going out on patrol. Intercept the boats. Force them to turn back. Or board them."

    Again, they are not invaders. But the solution you offer here is reasonable.

    "(If they refuse sink them.)"

    No.

    "Invaders towed or rescued back to Libya and dumped ashore."

    Absolutely.

    "Boats sunk."

    No.
  200. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    If what you say is true then why do Black Nen and white virus like having sex with each other?

    Seems like they like integration

    Your just making stuff up

    Ohs….Tinys…..

    I wundered wen U was gunna drop by on dis thred……and dat was a gud qwestshun……”why do Black Nen and white virus like having sex with each other”?

    Black Nen and white virus dem B 2 KKKrazy Kids

    Lendert “Plans on bendin Tinys ova teh sofa arm 2nite” Pitts burg

  201. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OK. Boat sinks. News agency obtains photographs of what appear to be dead babies helpfully posed for the camera by rescuers on the scene. News agency publishes story with said photographs containing the lines:
    "Shocking pictures have emerged showing the bodies", and
    "heartbreaking images show the babies’ lifeless bodies".

    I modify a classic "dead baby" joke to ridicule said behavior.

    And I'm the one that is being psychopathic?

    And I’m the one that is being psychopathic?

    No….you’re the one making an effective point. Something the Corvys of this world can’t let stand.

  202. @DFH
    https://ii.yuki.la/f/28/4f26077a1c5af9aeb2d3bbafb16632dc40c067c821d13309fc4bc416a102e28f.jpg

    “You should let in more refugees because Jesus said to be compassionate in the Bible somewhere”.

    Let’s stick to the point here. Jesus said to be compassionate to ALL people. He would be decidedly opposed to a ship filled with refugees being blown up to bits.

    “No, I’m not a Christian and I have nothing but contempt for your backward religious beliefs”.

    They are not “backward”, they are what the Alt Right refers to as the crux of Western Civilization. Didn’t you get the memo?

    “So year, this argument wouldn’t work on me”.

    It would look like any argument that focuses on being humane and showing one’s humanity would fall to the wayside given your utter contempt for human life. Now more than ever, you need Him.

    Now, on another matter, you offered up a quotation without commentary. So why don’t you offer what you believe this passage exactly refers to?

    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    You somehow managed to totally miss the (fairly obvious) point The post was a representation of how a typical atheist SJW might cynically attempt to use Christianity to push the pro-immvasion agenda.
    , @Marcus
    Yes, please continue to appeal to a religion you despise, you aren't clownish enough already.
  203. @boomstick
    Off topic: to quote a reporter,

    "... high school juniors around the country sit for the Preliminary SAT. The students who score the highest on the PSAT become contenders for National Merit Scholarship."

    The newspaper published all the PMSAT exam reports for the state this year. I found the student full names and lack of some pre-names is interesting. It ranges from one to twenty students per HS in Oregon. Mostly in wealthy areas.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/life_and_culture/erry-2018/07/bcc598034e1349/which_oregon_high_schools_had.html#incart_m-rpt-2

    I find it interesting how they worked in unrelated photos of black students so that the article wouldn’t be a giant white/asian parade.

    • Replies: @boomstick
    @Sandmich

    Also: multiple Indian HS students. They're probably Indian families who work for technical companies. In a way they 're maybe better than Asian in that area.

    Few Mexicans, aside for some Catholic schools, maybe. Not surprising.

    Ashland, OR, is a small population, 20,000 population, but six PSAT awards. All with seemingly with white guys. Maybe it's the Ashland Shakespeare acting.
  204. fish says:
    @Corvinus
    I didn't realize that opposing murder is virtue signaling.

    Every nitwit who gets on those boats knows that they are taking a risk…..even more if the European nations decide to stop rendering aid.

    If those ships are turned around do you think ships from the African countries will fire upon them?

    Keep up your moral preening Corvy…..you’re a veritable Mozart at it!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Every nitwit who gets on those boats knows that they are taking a risk…..even more if the European nations decide to stop rendering aid."

    A risk they may not get to their destination.
    A risk they may become ill.
    A risk they may lose their meager possessions.

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation's navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

    "If those ships are turned around do you think ships from the African countries will fire upon them?"

    I have no issues with making those ships turn around. I do have an issue when people are playing God here. Listen, why don't you buy a large boat, equip it with large weapons, and take to the task of blowing up those ships yourself? You would be doing the Alt Right a great patriotic service. Are you game?

    "Keep up your moral preening Corvy…..you’re a veritable Mozart at it!"

    It's not preening, it's simply pointing out how something is utterly immoral. You really should look at your own moral compass on this matter. By chance, are you Christian?
  205. @AnotherDad
    I was disappointed in Matteo Salvini simply stopping the Medcine Sans Frontiers ship from docking.

    Salvini should have let the ship dock, then had the Italian police go on board, seize the ship and arrest the crew for human-trafficing. (That is clearly what Medicine Sans Frontiers and these other NGOs are doing--providing the last link of trafficing to Europe.) (I'd hang the crews from the yard arm, but i realize AnotherDad consciousness is not universal, so arrest and trial for human trafficing will have to suffice.) Then have the Navy crew the ship, sail it back to Libya, disembark the invaders. The ship--seized under whatever RICO like statues Italy has for organized crime--should be used for invader capture operations, or simply sunk for artificial reef.

    While welcoming the change from full cucks it is not "based" to simply play hot potato with other Europeans--one of which will always seem to have a cucky government at one time or another.

    Rather nationalists--Italian nationalists on the front line--need to end the invasion.

    One of the (pathetic) tropes of the globalists is the flow "can not be stopped". It's not just false, but absolutely ridiculous. In all of human history there has never been a power imbalance between putuative invaders and the target of their conquest as gaping as this. Never.

    Not only can the invaders be stopped, they can be stopped easily by a fraction of the Italian Navy going out on patrol. Intercept the boats. Force them to turn back. Or board them. (If they refuse sink them.) Invaders towed or rescued back to Libya and dumped ashore. Boats sunk. Any trafficers found are arrested, bound, imprisoned--maybe some Devil's Island scenario somehwere. (It's a shame Europe has squashed the death penalty--that itself is a sign of an unserious place, unwilling to acknowledge it's right to squash attacks upon civilization.) That's it. When the operation is disrupted and can't get people to Europe, it will completely collapse. Problem solved.

    BTW, the whole Mediterranean invasion thing is another opportunity for Trump.

    Tweet out something like:

    “Congrats to Matteo Salvini and Italian people for standing strong and refusing Medicine Sans Frontiers human trafficing ship.”

    “US Sixth Fleet stands ready to render any assistance to our Italian friends in putting a final end to human traifficing across the Mediterranean.”

    “America stands with our Italian friends against this human trafficing invasion!”

  206. @Meretricious
    "Brazil incorporates the more talented mixed race people into the whitish ruling class, while America recruits talented mixed race people of privileged backgrounds like Jealous and Obama to be leaders of the entitled minorities."--Steve

    Obama is "talented" for a black

    Airplane travel changed all this skin shade business. Black skin (or dark brown) or any other shade really isn’t of much significance. It’s just a marker. Dark skin means you are likely to be stupid and violent. Black skin people in America are roughly five times as likely to commit a violent crime and have much higher failure rates in any activity that requires significant brainpower.

    Black skin is a marker for a deficient or defective brain. Black skin is also unattractive. That’s why the blacks needed that propaganda campaign “Black is Beautiful”. Just as today we have a similar propaganda push for the deeply untrue notion that “Black Lives Matter”. Both are needed to counteract the obvious truths that blacks are widely considered to be ugly and that they are socially inconsequential and should be ignored.

    Skin tone shouldn’t make that much of a difference. When people stayed pretty much where their ancestors had stayed – white Europeans in Europe and black Africans in Africa, it made sense medically. Whites who went south got sunburn and skin cancer. Blacks who came north got rickets.

    Now jet airliners move us around too much. One solution will be developing an average skin tone. Whites who want to live in Cancun will need to get a little darker and blacks will need to get a little lighter. Everyone could look like Beyoncé. What we really need is some technology like we have in those light adaptive sunglasses white get dark when you go outside and turn light again when you go back in.

    We could bring the skin color you display in public under one’s personal control. Then dark people with their defective tropical brains could be disguised and pasty white northerners could look like they could play basketball.

  207. @Corvinus
    Why don't you offer what you believe this passage exactly refers to, and then we can begin a conversation.

    Because, to me, all it is saying is that we love those to whom we are close to more, but that does not mean we love less those we are distant to. In addition, a Christian may offer his charity to those whom they do not know, or are close to, in a wide range of ways, which would include making sure those people are secure and safe, since the act of charity is act an friendship.

    Because, to me, all it is saying is that we love those to whom we are close to more, but that does not mean we love less those we are distant to.

    This sentence is illogical. Yes, that is what it precisely means. If we love those to whom we are close to more (assuming more is modifying love), we necessarily love less those who we are distant to.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "If we love those to whom we are close to more (assuming more is modifying love), we necessarily love less those who we are distant to."

    Not if a Christian loves humanity. Did not Jesus love the sinner? Did not Jesus love the foreigner? Christians love everyone, right? Vox Day proclaims himself a Christian, yet he openly advocates for blowing up boats and drowning women and children. Because refugees are "invaders".
  208. @AnotherDad
    I was disappointed in Matteo Salvini simply stopping the Medcine Sans Frontiers ship from docking.

    Salvini should have let the ship dock, then had the Italian police go on board, seize the ship and arrest the crew for human-trafficing. (That is clearly what Medicine Sans Frontiers and these other NGOs are doing--providing the last link of trafficing to Europe.) (I'd hang the crews from the yard arm, but i realize AnotherDad consciousness is not universal, so arrest and trial for human trafficing will have to suffice.) Then have the Navy crew the ship, sail it back to Libya, disembark the invaders. The ship--seized under whatever RICO like statues Italy has for organized crime--should be used for invader capture operations, or simply sunk for artificial reef.

    While welcoming the change from full cucks it is not "based" to simply play hot potato with other Europeans--one of which will always seem to have a cucky government at one time or another.

    Rather nationalists--Italian nationalists on the front line--need to end the invasion.

    One of the (pathetic) tropes of the globalists is the flow "can not be stopped". It's not just false, but absolutely ridiculous. In all of human history there has never been a power imbalance between putuative invaders and the target of their conquest as gaping as this. Never.

    Not only can the invaders be stopped, they can be stopped easily by a fraction of the Italian Navy going out on patrol. Intercept the boats. Force them to turn back. Or board them. (If they refuse sink them.) Invaders towed or rescued back to Libya and dumped ashore. Boats sunk. Any trafficers found are arrested, bound, imprisoned--maybe some Devil's Island scenario somehwere. (It's a shame Europe has squashed the death penalty--that itself is a sign of an unserious place, unwilling to acknowledge it's right to squash attacks upon civilization.) That's it. When the operation is disrupted and can't get people to Europe, it will completely collapse. Problem solved.

    “Salvini should have let the ship dock, then had the Italian police go on board, seize the ship and arrest the crew for human-trafficing. (That is clearly what Medicine Sans Frontiers and these other NGOs are doing–providing the last link of trafficing to Europe.)”

    A decidedly more palatable and humane way of addressing the situation rather than blowing it up to Kingdom Come.

    “(I’d hang the crews from the yard arm, but i realize AnotherDad consciousness is not universal, so arrest and trial for human trafficing will have to suffice.)”

    Yes, there’s something called due process here.

    “Then have the Navy crew the ship, sail it back to Libya, disembark the invaders.”

    They’re not invaders, they’re refugees. But your solution is still reasonable.

    “The ship–seized under whatever RICO like statues Italy has for organized crime–should be used for invader capture operations, or simply sunk for artificial reef.”

    Now you are getting a bit off track here. One has to have evidence that organized crime is involved. And sinking the ships is not an option for a civilized nation, especially if the people are fleeing a war torn land.

    “While welcoming the change from full cucks it is not “based” to simply play hot potato with other Europeans–one of which will always seem to have a cucky government at one time or another.”

    “Cucks” and “cucky” are observably overused terms. They have lost their meaning.

    “Rather nationalists–Italian nationalists on the front line–need to end the invasion.”

    How about YOU go there and stop it.

    “Not only can the invaders be stopped, they can be stopped easily by a fraction of the Italian Navy going out on patrol. Intercept the boats. Force them to turn back. Or board them.”

    Again, they are not invaders. But the solution you offer here is reasonable.

    “(If they refuse sink them.)”

    No.

    “Invaders towed or rescued back to Libya and dumped ashore.”

    Absolutely.

    “Boats sunk.”

    No.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double
    You have to go back.
    , @AnotherDad


    They’re not invaders, they’re refugees.
     
    Potaeto, potahto.
    Call 'em. Univited future residents. People trying to barge into your home or your nation univited--invaders.

    How about YOU go there and stop it.
     
    Absolutely love to! I'm an old retired dude, with only really one remaining important job--passing on whatever life wisdom to the kids they're willing to listen to--and no desire to return to employment. But stopping invaders--if i could help do that, hell yeah.

    If i had Bill Gates money, obviously i'd be working the political/ideological side--countering minoritarian propaganda, supporting sane media and patriotic politicians. But i'd also be funding anti-invader forces--on the Mexican border and in the Med.

    But the truth is guys like me are hardly needed. There are thousands of young Italian guys who would be super motivated by the chance to stop the invasion and keep the garbage out of Italy. The government just needs to step up. I'm sure the sailors in their navy would love to be doing this. And if more manpower was needed, they'd have a ton of volunteers.

    In fact, throughout Europe if there was a call for anti-invasion force, there would be hundreds of thousands if not millions of young men willing to step up and shut the invasion down. But what--shamefully--Western governemtns do, instead of their core duty to protect their nations, is use their police power to keep Western men from protecting their nations themselves. It's criminal, traitorous.
  209. @Corvinus
    "You would care about something bad happening to your own child..."

    Yes.

    "but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person’s child."

    Care much less? Hardly. We, including Christians, would be sympathetic to their plight. We would demand humane treatment.

    Praytell, are you Christian? If yes, and you have this attitude, pray for forgiveness.

    “You would care about something bad happening to your own child…”
    Yes.
    “but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person’s child.”
    Care much less? Hardly. We, including Christians, would be sympathetic to their plight. We would demand humane treatment.
    Praytell, are you Christian? If yes, and you have this attitude, pray for forgiveness

    You’re a loon Corny. And a liar. And a drama queen.

    It is human nature to care much, much, much more about your own children than some other random persons. In plain fact, if this was not the case our lives would ones of unceasing pain.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You’re a loon Corny. And a liar. And a drama queen."

    You are once again projecting like an SJW. Pro-tip --> Not a real good look.

    "It is human nature to care much, much, much more about your own children than some other random persons."

    It's a matter of human decency in this particular case. People, especially Christians, who callously call for the sinking of refugee boats, are simply wicked. So focus on the point. God cares about EVERYONE, right? Furthermore, for those parents who have children, if they were refugees on a boat, they would not want to be blown up. So it's a matter of putting themselves in the shoes of others. Again, there are more reasonable means to address the situation. Sinking ships is not reasonable.

    But feel free to undergo this task if you are up to the challenge.
  210. @Corvinus
    I didn't realize that opposing murder is virtue signaling.

    Only when the Left deems it useful to the acquisition of power. Otherwise, well, those Kulaks really just had it coming…

  211. @Corvinus
    "Salvini should have let the ship dock, then had the Italian police go on board, seize the ship and arrest the crew for human-trafficing. (That is clearly what Medicine Sans Frontiers and these other NGOs are doing–providing the last link of trafficing to Europe.)"

    A decidedly more palatable and humane way of addressing the situation rather than blowing it up to Kingdom Come.

    "(I’d hang the crews from the yard arm, but i realize AnotherDad consciousness is not universal, so arrest and trial for human trafficing will have to suffice.)"

    Yes, there's something called due process here.

    "Then have the Navy crew the ship, sail it back to Libya, disembark the invaders."

    They're not invaders, they're refugees. But your solution is still reasonable.

    "The ship–seized under whatever RICO like statues Italy has for organized crime–should be used for invader capture operations, or simply sunk for artificial reef."

    Now you are getting a bit off track here. One has to have evidence that organized crime is involved. And sinking the ships is not an option for a civilized nation, especially if the people are fleeing a war torn land.

    "While welcoming the change from full cucks it is not “based” to simply play hot potato with other Europeans–one of which will always seem to have a cucky government at one time or another."

    "Cucks" and "cucky" are observably overused terms. They have lost their meaning.

    "Rather nationalists–Italian nationalists on the front line–need to end the invasion."

    How about YOU go there and stop it.

    "Not only can the invaders be stopped, they can be stopped easily by a fraction of the Italian Navy going out on patrol. Intercept the boats. Force them to turn back. Or board them."

    Again, they are not invaders. But the solution you offer here is reasonable.

    "(If they refuse sink them.)"

    No.

    "Invaders towed or rescued back to Libya and dumped ashore."

    Absolutely.

    "Boats sunk."

    No.

    You have to go back.

  212. @Peter Johnson
    The best part of the article is how they stress that Brazil does not have strict racial categories but nonetheless the top tier of high-intelligence categories (business elite, academic elite) are dominated by Brazilians with a high proportion of European ancestry. Now what could cause that? (It could not possibly be HBD could it? - of course not; such an obvious explanation should never be mentioned). It must be due to hidden racism in a country with no clear racial lines. Of course. Hidden racism, that is the reason. No evidence of HBD here.

    Sell your HBD hokum to people dumb enough to buy it. As a matter of fact, you’ll fine many such people on this site. But don’t take it the real world.

    • Replies: @res
    When calling other people dumb it is a good idea to proofread what you write. Otherwise it just looks like projection.
  213. @Steve Sailer
    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube because I can embed Youtube videos on iSteve, but not other videos. I couldn't find it, though.

    As I may have mentioned once or twice over the decades, Tracey Ullman is very talented and very insightful, although I have to admit that's not an opinion shared by the American TV-viewing public in general.

    Can Ron host it on unz.com?: I was able to download the video using Firefox and Twitter Video Downloader on this:

  214. @fish
    Every nitwit who gets on those boats knows that they are taking a risk.....even more if the European nations decide to stop rendering aid.

    If those ships are turned around do you think ships from the African countries will fire upon them?


    Keep up your moral preening Corvy.....you're a veritable Mozart at it!

    “Every nitwit who gets on those boats knows that they are taking a risk…..even more if the European nations decide to stop rendering aid.”

    A risk they may not get to their destination.
    A risk they may become ill.
    A risk they may lose their meager possessions.

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation’s navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

    “If those ships are turned around do you think ships from the African countries will fire upon them?”

    I have no issues with making those ships turn around. I do have an issue when people are playing God here. Listen, why don’t you buy a large boat, equip it with large weapons, and take to the task of blowing up those ships yourself? You would be doing the Alt Right a great patriotic service. Are you game?

    “Keep up your moral preening Corvy…..you’re a veritable Mozart at it!”

    It’s not preening, it’s simply pointing out how something is utterly immoral. You really should look at your own moral compass on this matter. By chance, are you Christian?

    • Replies: @fish

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation’s navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?
     
    I don't! I would much rather that they never get on those boats at all. Stay and improve your own countries gentlemen.

    I have no issues with making those ships turn around. I do have an issue when people are playing God here. Listen, why don’t you buy a large boat, equip it with large weapons, and take to the task of blowing up those ships yourself? You would be doing the Alt Right a great patriotic service. Are you game?
     
    Good! We're on the same page so far! Perhaps when those boats start washing up on US shores I'll start looking into it! For now however it's up to the Europeans to control their borders and shores! I hope they're up to the task!

    It’s not preening, it’s simply pointing out how something is utterly immoral. You really should look at your own moral compass on this matter. By chance, are you Christian?
     
    As immoral as letting your country be overrun with an aspirational mass of unassimilable 20 - 30 year old males. An invasion force if you will! I don't recall your weeping and gnashing of teeth for the victims of Islamic on European crime! But I guess you gotta break a couple eggs!

    Last question - only in passing!

    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation’s navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

     

    Technically, their intent is to land their dingys on the shore without permission granted by the host nation and evading the normal procedure of customs inspection at a port. They intend to disembark unknown persons without a passport and unload uninspected cargo without paying duties or tarriffs.

    Sinking might be excessive, but they are legally smugglers and criminals.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation’s navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

     

    Technically, their intent is to land their dingys on the shore without permission granted by the host nation and evading the normal procedure of customs inspection at a port. They intend to disembark unknown persons without a passport and unload uninspected cargo without paying duties or tarriffs.

    Sinking might be excessive, but they are legally smugglers and criminals.
  215. @Steve Sailer
    I tried to find that Tracey Ullman Woke video on Youtube because I can embed Youtube videos on iSteve, but not other videos. I couldn't find it, though.

    As I may have mentioned once or twice over the decades, Tracey Ullman is very talented and very insightful, although I have to admit that's not an opinion shared by the American TV-viewing public in general.

    Steve,

    Don’t Cry for Me Argentina nor cry for Tracey Ullman whom the DM in 2oo6 reported as being Britain’s wealthiest comedian with a net worth $115 million in 2018.

  216. The racial dynamics in Brazil are different from those in the US, but Brazilians are still subject to the same conditioning. What is interesting is that the Neymar look is what many white people are looking for in their offspring. For this reason, more and more white women want children fathered by black men.

    An idea of beauty changes with time and place and is actuated by conditioning. In Africa, prior to colonization, if someone like Taylor Swift walked into a village she’d be considered grotesquely ugly. This is because they had been conditioned to an idea of beauty diametrically in opposition to what she presents. In the west, there was a time when fat women (rubenesque) were considered the most beautiful. Now the ideal is shifting away from the white European archetype to something blacker and more ethnic.

    By the way, in the U.S., female celebrities who are considered black, such as Beyonce, spend fortunes to make their hair and/or skin look whiter.

    Whites spend even more to look blacker, including risking their lives undergoing dangerous surgical procedures and courting cancer by lying in the sun or tanning beds. Show me a white woman with no lips, a flat ass and pale white skin and chances are that woman can’t get a date.

    • Replies: @ElitistSettler
    I think in-groups have a tough time wrapping their heads around this argument. It's easy to assume that your community's most ordinal conception of beauty is simply objectively "correct".

    This, itself, is a bit of an alt-right talisman. Lots of white men on this site are partly driven by the assumption that their women are objectively most beautiful and that men from other groups are all "out to get em".

    Let me be clear, there are few things more revolting on a woman (in my eyes) than alabaster-white skin (perhaps with the exception of wrinkly alabaster-white skin). I suspect there are lots of men in lots of different ethnic and racial groups who feel the same way. The funny thing about personal preferences is that they are personal and individual.
    , @Anonymous

    Whites spend even more to look blacker, including risking their lives undergoing dangerous surgical procedures and courting cancer by lying in the sun or tanning beds. Show me a white woman with no lips, a flat ass and pale white skin and chances are that woman can’t get a date.
     
    White people in cold countries want tans because dark skin is a sign of wealth and status. It means you're rich enough to spend long holidays in far away countries. It has nothing to do with race.

    I've seen other blacks saying this, so assume it must be a common belief. It confused me when I first saw it. (I and my friends often had tans when we were younger but it never crossed our minds that we wanted to be a different race.) Then I understood: blacks do want to be a different race, and this is why they try to lighten their skin, so when they see white people tanning they assume the motivation is the same. Projection.
  217. @JMcG
    Once again Joe, you are my favorite commenter here. And there are quite a few good ones. Happy Fourth of July!

    JMcG, Thank you and I write from my heart. Careful with the fireworks, remember Jason Pierre-Paul of the NY Giants and his amputated digits.

  218. @AnotherDad

    “You would care about something bad happening to your own child…”
    Yes.
    “but care about it much less when it happens to some unrelated other person’s child.”
    Care much less? Hardly. We, including Christians, would be sympathetic to their plight. We would demand humane treatment.
    Praytell, are you Christian? If yes, and you have this attitude, pray for forgiveness
     
    You're a loon Corny. And a liar. And a drama queen.

    It is human nature to care much, much, much more about your own children than some other random persons. In plain fact, if this was not the case our lives would ones of unceasing pain.

    “You’re a loon Corny. And a liar. And a drama queen.”

    You are once again projecting like an SJW. Pro-tip –> Not a real good look.

    “It is human nature to care much, much, much more about your own children than some other random persons.”

    It’s a matter of human decency in this particular case. People, especially Christians, who callously call for the sinking of refugee boats, are simply wicked. So focus on the point. God cares about EVERYONE, right? Furthermore, for those parents who have children, if they were refugees on a boat, they would not want to be blown up. So it’s a matter of putting themselves in the shoes of others. Again, there are more reasonable means to address the situation. Sinking ships is not reasonable.

    But feel free to undergo this task if you are up to the challenge.

  219. @adreadline

    Because, to me, all it is saying is that we love those to whom we are close to more, but that does not mean we love less those we are distant to.
     
    This sentence is illogical. Yes, that is what it precisely means. If we love those to whom we are close to more (assuming more is modifying love), we necessarily love less those who we are distant to.

    “If we love those to whom we are close to more (assuming more is modifying love), we necessarily love less those who we are distant to.”

    Not if a Christian loves humanity. Did not Jesus love the sinner? Did not Jesus love the foreigner? Christians love everyone, right? Vox Day proclaims himself a Christian, yet he openly advocates for blowing up boats and drowning women and children. Because refugees are “invaders”.

  220. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    “Somewhat” understates it. The policy succeeded to an extent beyond what any of the originators could have envisioned.
     
    Yes, it went beyond what they were comfortable with, especially in the case of the Germans, who were seen with suspicion.

    Why would an impoverished Bolivian head there rather than Chile or Argentina-where they aren’t even probably richer than Brazil, but even speak the same language?
     
    We do have many Bolivians in São Paulo, but you got everything right in your comment. The cultural isolation is the main reason why we have to deal with some 15-50 thousand Venezuelan refugees while Colombia has to care for almost one million.

    Of note, Bolivians in São Paulo are not limited to sweatshop work. True, you did not say they were, but I myself did not realize that until recently. There are quite a few of them in the University of São Paulo, including as STEM professors. They seem quite satisfied here, though apparently nobody worldwide gives much attention to USP. Perhaps studying and working here is better than about anything they could do in Bolivia? La Paz doesn’t look like an exceptionally bad place to live, but it is even more isolated than São Paulo.

    Many do not speak our language very well; I don’t know if it’s because they’re able to get their point across speaking Spanish/Portuñol and so view it as unnecessary, or if it’s because Brazilian Portuguese is very difficult to learn for Spanish speakers.

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    I think it's a fair point to bring. In the universities, there is quite a number (say, some 4%?) of people from Spanish America, both as graduate students and professors. Their level of proficiency in Portuguese varies from "non-existant" to "almost native", with most speaking well enough to be understood, in my experience. I'm actually fine with them this educated bunch; they funny people, they are not many, and they don't cause much trouble (apart from not listening what we say, even when they are wrong).

    I wonder if it is mutual; I know that there are many Brazilians going to Medicine school in Bolivia (cuz it's easier). But overall, the language/culture barrier seems to be stronger than one would expect.
    , @nebulafox
    The graduate students I lived with were Columbian. They told me that if you wanted to do science in South America, Sao Paulo was the place to go. Staying home wasn't an option.
  221. DFH says:
    @nebulafox
    Temporarily breaking my promise, because Brazil has always interested me...

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is... an interesting definition of "well", to say the least. It's more like differing levels of Dante's Inferno. But it is true that compared that the sheer culture of sadism that dominated sugar plantations in Brazil was on an entirely different level. The mortality rates of slaves there was such that it was genuinely cheaper for owners to import new slaves than to bring them up.

    There's a lot of reasons why Brazilian plantations were so brutal. A big one was that they were sent to cultivate sugar, a particularly thankless slave assignment. But another was the nature of the colony. The Portuguese were there to exploit, get rich, and go home, not build stable families and a society like the English. One interesting thing I've discovered is that although both the British and Portuguese had the practice of shipping convicts abroad, the nature of the criminals were radically different. The British sent debtors, drunks, the generally indigent, etc. There was a genuine idealistic intention that they'd turn over a new leaf abroad from themselves, and maybe even start families, given the sizable female convict contingent among prostitutes and petty thieves. And many did end up staying of their own free will.

    The Portuguese degradados, by contrast, were incorrigible, "professional" offenders: murderers, rapists, arsonists, violent robbers. Uniformly young, single, male, and malignant: and the Portuguese essentially dumped them on the shore and left them to their own devices, the only condition being that they don't dare try to come back. Portugal neither had the ability or inclination to discipline them. So they essentially had free reign to run wild. Naturally, that meant the slaves suffered.

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is… an interesting definition of “well”, to say the least. It’s more like differing levels of Dante’s Inferno.

    Slavery in the US wasn’t any level of the Inferno. Being deprived of freedom is not nice and wrong, but materially their living standards were quite good and probably better than European peasants of the time.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/slavery-in-the-united-states/

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Slavery in the US wasn’t any level of the Inferno."

    It was physically brutal and psychologically devastating. Listen, why don't you sell yourself into slavery, I hear the conditions are "materially better" than your life right now.

    "Being deprived of freedom is not nice and wrong, but materially their living standards were quite good and probably better than European peasants of the time."

    Just enough to eat and drink, with a roof over one's head...so long as they did the master's bidding ain't anywhere near better than the freedom enjoyed and goods owned by European peasants.
  222. @AndrewR
    I don't think any president in Brazil has had black ancestry, Lula included. It's a lot like Mexico: whiter people naturally rise to the top.

    Lula more than likely has some African ancestry.

  223. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    But then we blew it. The Brazilians held firm.
     
    Sadly, Brazil didn't. The Brazilian government and intelligentsia are just as dazed by Immigration Redemption as you in America.

    We don't have that many immigrants not due to policy, but because (1) we are not wealthy enough to attract them, (2) we speak a language almost nobody even knows exist, (3) we are far away from everywhere, (4) the country is so violent that even Angolans and Mozambicans think twice before coming, and (5) the government is so incompetent that fails at its efforts to bring and fixate Diverses.

    This is why I laugh when folks praise places like Russia for “keeping out” the immigrants. In reality, it’s somewhat unclear what the Russian policy towards immigration might be. They certainly haven’t made an effort to slow or reverse the yellow-ing of the Russian east. Russia’s (and Eastern Europe’s) main deterrents to immigration are its language and its dysfunction. Russia has a higher murder rate and a worse drug problem than most countries in the middle east and even parts of North Africa. Not to mention the unemployment and a chronically stagnant economy. They red-pilled so hard that their country is an immigrant repellent shithole. I personally like to think of this as the “skunk solution” to immigration.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Russia and Mexico have a lot of differences but a surprising amount in common. The huge number of sombrero-wearing Mexican fans in Russia for the World Cup have been a big hit with the Russian locals.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Yes, that's it really. For example: over the last years, Brazilian Enlightened Progressives were salivating over the prospect of giving us some Muslim refugees from Syria (to show off how progressive they were to their Progressive international friends).

    The people were against, of course, since we're not exactly devoid of problems and really don't need to add another one to the mix, but that didn't stop then-President Dilma Rousseff (a former Marxist guerilla) from supporting it; neither could it stop the supposedly "right-wing conservative" Aloysio Nunes (another former Marxist guerilla - sounds familiar?) from championing changing the Foreigner Statute to facilitate immigration, which was eventually done by congress and sanctioned by the "right-wing" President Temer (Dilma was ousted in the meantime).

    Still, we got almost zero Syrians. They don't want to come. The honest people displaced by the war prefer to stay closer to home, in Turkey, Lebanon, or Egypt. The opportunists want to go to Northern Europe, naturally. And the few clueless who dared come (most of the opportunistic variety) soon found things not to be easy. Just for the start:

    (1) You can't do anything in Brazil without speaking Portuguese. Arabic is useless, French is useless, even English is useless for communicating with >90% of the people. Language teaching to foreigners is dismal.

    (2) The level of comfort was lower than they expected, and the level of crime much higher. And no one gave a shit for their concerns.

    (3) The (Christian) Syrian-Lebanese community, which some hoped would be of help, gave them an ice-cold shoulder. The rest of the people also didn't move a finger to give the special help they needed. The Enlightened, of course, were nowhere to be seen by then.

    (4) The government proved absolutely incompetent at caring for them (housing, feeding, teaching, and redistributing them) the way Merkel would. It also was inacapable of protecting them from the consequences of they chimping out, which for some reason Muslim refugees always eventually do in the West.

    For example, we had this anti-immigration march in São Paulo one year ago. As the protesters were walking, a Palestinian Muslim refugee throwed a home-made bomb at them (you can't make this shit up - https://m.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2017/05/1880596-lider-do-palestina-para-tods-e-preso-apos-confronto-com-direita-anti-imigracao.shtml). The bomb was so incompetently made that it barely hurt the protesters - but they got enraged and started punching the offender and the other brave Servants of Allah that were with him until the Police arrived, stopped the fight, heard everybody, and... arrested the Muslims, afterwards sending them to the hospital. Most of the press and every goodthinker in the country took the Muslims' side, but the rude masses were in no mood to hear them, and the Police is hardly ever in the mood to care about Structural Oppression and whatever.

    With this sort of stuff, Immigration Law is the least thing that matters for explaining why we don't have many immigrants.
  224. @Corvinus
    "Salvini should have let the ship dock, then had the Italian police go on board, seize the ship and arrest the crew for human-trafficing. (That is clearly what Medicine Sans Frontiers and these other NGOs are doing–providing the last link of trafficing to Europe.)"

    A decidedly more palatable and humane way of addressing the situation rather than blowing it up to Kingdom Come.

    "(I’d hang the crews from the yard arm, but i realize AnotherDad consciousness is not universal, so arrest and trial for human trafficing will have to suffice.)"

    Yes, there's something called due process here.

    "Then have the Navy crew the ship, sail it back to Libya, disembark the invaders."

    They're not invaders, they're refugees. But your solution is still reasonable.

    "The ship–seized under whatever RICO like statues Italy has for organized crime–should be used for invader capture operations, or simply sunk for artificial reef."

    Now you are getting a bit off track here. One has to have evidence that organized crime is involved. And sinking the ships is not an option for a civilized nation, especially if the people are fleeing a war torn land.

    "While welcoming the change from full cucks it is not “based” to simply play hot potato with other Europeans–one of which will always seem to have a cucky government at one time or another."

    "Cucks" and "cucky" are observably overused terms. They have lost their meaning.

    "Rather nationalists–Italian nationalists on the front line–need to end the invasion."

    How about YOU go there and stop it.

    "Not only can the invaders be stopped, they can be stopped easily by a fraction of the Italian Navy going out on patrol. Intercept the boats. Force them to turn back. Or board them."

    Again, they are not invaders. But the solution you offer here is reasonable.

    "(If they refuse sink them.)"

    No.

    "Invaders towed or rescued back to Libya and dumped ashore."

    Absolutely.

    "Boats sunk."

    No.

    They’re not invaders, they’re refugees.

    Potaeto, potahto.
    Call ‘em. Univited future residents. People trying to barge into your home or your nation univited–invaders.

    How about YOU go there and stop it.

    Absolutely love to! I’m an old retired dude, with only really one remaining important job–passing on whatever life wisdom to the kids they’re willing to listen to–and no desire to return to employment. But stopping invaders–if i could help do that, hell yeah.

    If i had Bill Gates money, obviously i’d be working the political/ideological side–countering minoritarian propaganda, supporting sane media and patriotic politicians. But i’d also be funding anti-invader forces–on the Mexican border and in the Med.

    But the truth is guys like me are hardly needed. There are thousands of young Italian guys who would be super motivated by the chance to stop the invasion and keep the garbage out of Italy. The government just needs to step up. I’m sure the sailors in their navy would love to be doing this. And if more manpower was needed, they’d have a ton of volunteers.

    In fact, throughout Europe if there was a call for anti-invasion force, there would be hundreds of thousands if not millions of young men willing to step up and shut the invasion down. But what–shamefully–Western governemtns do, instead of their core duty to protect their nations, is use their police power to keep Western men from protecting their nations themselves. It’s criminal, traitorous.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu

    There are thousands of young Italian guys who would be super motivated by the chance to stop the invasion and keep the garbage out of Italy.
     
    Actually, the real garbage emanates from Italy:

    Italy tops international sex tourism list

    ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Pornography and Trafficking) estimates around 80,000 Italians travel abroad every year to pursue sex, particularly with young children in South America and Africa.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10103632/Italy-tops-international-sex-tourism-list.html

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life. On the other hand you have Italian sex predators traveling abroad specifically to rape young children. Yet you are demonizing the former rather than the latter. And you expect to be taken seriously?

  225. @Okechukwu
    The racial dynamics in Brazil are different from those in the US, but Brazilians are still subject to the same conditioning. What is interesting is that the Neymar look is what many white people are looking for in their offspring. For this reason, more and more white women want children fathered by black men.

    An idea of beauty changes with time and place and is actuated by conditioning. In Africa, prior to colonization, if someone like Taylor Swift walked into a village she'd be considered grotesquely ugly. This is because they had been conditioned to an idea of beauty diametrically in opposition to what she presents. In the west, there was a time when fat women (rubenesque) were considered the most beautiful. Now the ideal is shifting away from the white European archetype to something blacker and more ethnic.


    By the way, in the U.S., female celebrities who are considered black, such as Beyonce, spend fortunes to make their hair and/or skin look whiter.
     
    Whites spend even more to look blacker, including risking their lives undergoing dangerous surgical procedures and courting cancer by lying in the sun or tanning beds. Show me a white woman with no lips, a flat ass and pale white skin and chances are that woman can't get a date.

    I think in-groups have a tough time wrapping their heads around this argument. It’s easy to assume that your community’s most ordinal conception of beauty is simply objectively “correct”.

    This, itself, is a bit of an alt-right talisman. Lots of white men on this site are partly driven by the assumption that their women are objectively most beautiful and that men from other groups are all “out to get em”.

    Let me be clear, there are few things more revolting on a woman (in my eyes) than alabaster-white skin (perhaps with the exception of wrinkly alabaster-white skin). I suspect there are lots of men in lots of different ethnic and racial groups who feel the same way. The funny thing about personal preferences is that they are personal and individual.

  226. @ElitistSettler
    This is why I laugh when folks praise places like Russia for "keeping out" the immigrants. In reality, it's somewhat unclear what the Russian policy towards immigration might be. They certainly haven't made an effort to slow or reverse the yellow-ing of the Russian east. Russia's (and Eastern Europe's) main deterrents to immigration are its language and its dysfunction. Russia has a higher murder rate and a worse drug problem than most countries in the middle east and even parts of North Africa. Not to mention the unemployment and a chronically stagnant economy. They red-pilled so hard that their country is an immigrant repellent shithole. I personally like to think of this as the "skunk solution" to immigration.

    Russia and Mexico have a lot of differences but a surprising amount in common. The huge number of sombrero-wearing Mexican fans in Russia for the World Cup have been a big hit with the Russian locals.

    • Replies: @Matra
    I've noticed that those sombrero-wearing Mexicans who were able to travel to Russia for the World Cup look quite different from most of the players on the Mexican team.
  227. @Corvinus
    "You should let in more refugees because Jesus said to be compassionate in the Bible somewhere".

    Let's stick to the point here. Jesus said to be compassionate to ALL people. He would be decidedly opposed to a ship filled with refugees being blown up to bits.

    "No, I'm not a Christian and I have nothing but contempt for your backward religious beliefs".

    They are not "backward", they are what the Alt Right refers to as the crux of Western Civilization. Didn't you get the memo?

    "So year, this argument wouldn't work on me".

    It would look like any argument that focuses on being humane and showing one's humanity would fall to the wayside given your utter contempt for human life. Now more than ever, you need Him.

    Now, on another matter, you offered up a quotation without commentary. So why don’t you offer what you believe this passage exactly refers to?

    You somehow managed to totally miss the (fairly obvious) point The post was a representation of how a typical atheist SJW might cynically attempt to use Christianity to push the pro-immvasion agenda.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You somehow managed to totally miss the (fairly obvious) point The post was a representation of how a typical atheist SJW might cynically attempt to use Christianity to push the pro-immvasion agenda."

    That was amazing given the relative obscurity of the quotation offered. And it's not "pro-immvasion", it's simply immigrant policy. Furthermore, an SJW would indeed use Christianity against Christians who use the good book to advocate the sinking of refugee ships.
  228. Steve, I’m pleased to see an American so closely follow the WC. Bummed that we didn’t make it to this year’s tournament. The last time we didn’t qualify was under Reagan’s tenure. Coincidence? I think not! ;)

    By the way, I suspect you may have been led astray into thinking I might be of Mexican or Hispanic descent (given the [fictitious] email address I use in posting these comments). I’ll assure you that I am neither. However, the name associated with that email address is an alias/alter-ego that I’ve carried since high school, when I used to hide weed atop the closet in my New England prep school dorm room. It’s a more daring alter ego for a generally stale and boring centrist.

  229. @Corvinus
    "Every nitwit who gets on those boats knows that they are taking a risk…..even more if the European nations decide to stop rendering aid."

    A risk they may not get to their destination.
    A risk they may become ill.
    A risk they may lose their meager possessions.

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation's navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

    "If those ships are turned around do you think ships from the African countries will fire upon them?"

    I have no issues with making those ships turn around. I do have an issue when people are playing God here. Listen, why don't you buy a large boat, equip it with large weapons, and take to the task of blowing up those ships yourself? You would be doing the Alt Right a great patriotic service. Are you game?

    "Keep up your moral preening Corvy…..you’re a veritable Mozart at it!"

    It's not preening, it's simply pointing out how something is utterly immoral. You really should look at your own moral compass on this matter. By chance, are you Christian?

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation’s navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

    I don’t! I would much rather that they never get on those boats at all. Stay and improve your own countries gentlemen.

    I have no issues with making those ships turn around. I do have an issue when people are playing God here. Listen, why don’t you buy a large boat, equip it with large weapons, and take to the task of blowing up those ships yourself? You would be doing the Alt Right a great patriotic service. Are you game?

    Good! We’re on the same page so far! Perhaps when those boats start washing up on US shores I’ll start looking into it! For now however it’s up to the Europeans to control their borders and shores! I hope they’re up to the task!

    It’s not preening, it’s simply pointing out how something is utterly immoral. You really should look at your own moral compass on this matter. By chance, are you Christian?

    As immoral as letting your country be overrun with an aspirational mass of unassimilable 20 – 30 year old males. An invasion force if you will! I don’t recall your weeping and gnashing of teeth for the victims of Islamic on European crime! But I guess you gotta break a couple eggs!

    Last question – only in passing!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "As immoral as letting your country be overrun with an aspirational mass of unassimilable 20 – 30 year old males."

    Except the immigrants are other than incapable of being assimilated.

    "An invasion force if you will!"

    No, it's not an "invasion". That would be the Alt Right narrative.

    "I don’t recall your weeping and gnashing of teeth for the victims of Islamic on European crime!"

    And what specific event would you be referring to?
  230. @AnotherDad


    They’re not invaders, they’re refugees.
     
    Potaeto, potahto.
    Call 'em. Univited future residents. People trying to barge into your home or your nation univited--invaders.

    How about YOU go there and stop it.
     
    Absolutely love to! I'm an old retired dude, with only really one remaining important job--passing on whatever life wisdom to the kids they're willing to listen to--and no desire to return to employment. But stopping invaders--if i could help do that, hell yeah.

    If i had Bill Gates money, obviously i'd be working the political/ideological side--countering minoritarian propaganda, supporting sane media and patriotic politicians. But i'd also be funding anti-invader forces--on the Mexican border and in the Med.

    But the truth is guys like me are hardly needed. There are thousands of young Italian guys who would be super motivated by the chance to stop the invasion and keep the garbage out of Italy. The government just needs to step up. I'm sure the sailors in their navy would love to be doing this. And if more manpower was needed, they'd have a ton of volunteers.

    In fact, throughout Europe if there was a call for anti-invasion force, there would be hundreds of thousands if not millions of young men willing to step up and shut the invasion down. But what--shamefully--Western governemtns do, instead of their core duty to protect their nations, is use their police power to keep Western men from protecting their nations themselves. It's criminal, traitorous.

    There are thousands of young Italian guys who would be super motivated by the chance to stop the invasion and keep the garbage out of Italy.

    Actually, the real garbage emanates from Italy:

    Italy tops international sex tourism list

    ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Pornography and Trafficking) estimates around 80,000 Italians travel abroad every year to pursue sex, particularly with young children in South America and Africa.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10103632/Italy-tops-international-sex-tourism-list.html

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life. On the other hand you have Italian sex predators traveling abroad specifically to rape young children. Yet you are demonizing the former rather than the latter. And you expect to be taken seriously?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life. On the other hand you have Italian sex predators traveling abroad specifically to rape young children. Yet you are demonizing the former rather than the latter. And you expect to be taken seriously?
     
    If the low-IQ, belligerent Muslims came to Europe only for a holiday of bar fights and ass grabbing and then returned home, you might have an appropriate analogy. If 10 million young, Italian men moved to Guatemala, refused to leave, refused to assimilate, were less productive than the native population, and relied more heavily on what little government resources that poor county has, you might a point. You have neither.
    , @Truth
    Hey Dad, the man does have a point.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life.
     
    You mean more money.

    The word for that is not "innocent", it's "mercenary".
    , @AnotherDad

    … On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life. On the other hand you have Italian sex predators traveling abroad specifically to rape young children. ...
     
    Different things. Perverts v. Invaders.

    There are criminal scum in every race and ethnic group. And you've got the wrong guy if you want someone to make apologies for fags and/or pedos out looking for sex with kids. You want to round 'em up jail 'em, execute 'em or jam hot pokers up their ass and then draw and quarter them ... fine with me.

    I will note, that anywhere there is real signifact "sex tourism", then the government is complicit in allowing it. Small scale could be hidden available to those "in the know". But for it to be significant, random "customers" must be able to find it. Which means government investigators/police can find it.

    ~~

    The invasion is wholy different. It is the massive altering and destruction of European societies.

    Africans are just much much worse at "civilized life" and even in small quanities make life worse for people. Muslims are civilizationally hostile to the West and make life in the West much less pleasant. (And for the record, both of these groups of folks radically raise the sex crime in Europe. ) But even if were Chinese or Japanese invading, they still wouldn't be Italians, would radically alter the Italian nation and have no right to be there.

    And "search for a better life" doesn't justify anything. I could break into a rich man's house, enjoy it, his food, his drink, his wife so i could have a "better life". So what. I'm still an invader and criminal. It's not my stuff to take.


    The these folks have their own nations, which they--if they are so darn wonderful--could be working to make better. Instead they are invading someone else's nation to glom onto the society they've built and take their stuff--and in the process they degrade it. Yes, they are "garbage" and need to be kept out.
  231. @adreadline
    Of note, Bolivians in São Paulo are not limited to sweatshop work. True, you did not say they were, but I myself did not realize that until recently. There are quite a few of them in the University of São Paulo, including as STEM professors. They seem quite satisfied here, though apparently nobody worldwide gives much attention to USP. Perhaps studying and working here is better than about anything they could do in Bolivia? La Paz doesn't look like an exceptionally bad place to live, but it is even more isolated than São Paulo.

    Many do not speak our language very well; I don't know if it's because they're able to get their point across speaking Spanish/Portuñol and so view it as unnecessary, or if it's because Brazilian Portuguese is very difficult to learn for Spanish speakers.

    I think it’s a fair point to bring. In the universities, there is quite a number (say, some 4%?) of people from Spanish America, both as graduate students and professors. Their level of proficiency in Portuguese varies from “non-existant” to “almost native”, with most speaking well enough to be understood, in my experience. I’m actually fine with them this educated bunch; they funny people, they are not many, and they don’t cause much trouble (apart from not listening what we say, even when they are wrong).

    I wonder if it is mutual; I know that there are many Brazilians going to Medicine school in Bolivia (cuz it’s easier). But overall, the language/culture barrier seems to be stronger than one would expect.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    My experience is that readers of Spanish can fairly well understand Portuguese with a little practice and vice versa. Portuguese / Brazilians can do better with understanding spoken Spanish than vice versa, but they get very upset with people, especially non-native Spanish speakers speaking Spanish to them.
  232. @Meretricious
    "Brazil incorporates the more talented mixed race people into the whitish ruling class, while America recruits talented mixed race people of privileged backgrounds like Jealous and Obama to be leaders of the entitled minorities."--Steve

    Obama is "talented" for a black

    Someone was able to trace down Harvard Law applicants from Columbia by race, and – IIRC – Obama’s LSAT score was, at best, in the bottom third for Harvard Law. Guessing that would put him in the 165-168 range. Back in the day, I knew one of Seattle’s top LSAT tutors and he had obtained a confidential print out of Harvard LSAT scores by race and admission status. Blacks could get in with LSATs as low as 165, while White males essentially needed to score over 170. Keep in mind, not all Blacks above 165 and Whites above 170 were admitted.

    Obviously, a 165-168 LSAT is still smart. Maybe translates to a 125-130 IQ?

    On a side note, my uncle was in the same class year as Obama at Columbia and also a Poli Sci major. He claims to have had at least one class with Obama and described him as quiet and unremarkable.

    The great irony of Obama is that he’s not an ‘American Black’, he just looks like one. I’m amazed that people confuse the son of an East African father and White American mother with the descendants of our country’s Bantu slaves. Say what you will about American Blacks, they have a unique history in this country and Obama isn’t part of it. Oh, identity politics…

  233. @Steve Sailer
    Russia and Mexico have a lot of differences but a surprising amount in common. The huge number of sombrero-wearing Mexican fans in Russia for the World Cup have been a big hit with the Russian locals.

    I’ve noticed that those sombrero-wearing Mexicans who were able to travel to Russia for the World Cup look quite different from most of the players on the Mexican team.

  234. @Okechukwu

    There are thousands of young Italian guys who would be super motivated by the chance to stop the invasion and keep the garbage out of Italy.
     
    Actually, the real garbage emanates from Italy:

    Italy tops international sex tourism list

    ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Pornography and Trafficking) estimates around 80,000 Italians travel abroad every year to pursue sex, particularly with young children in South America and Africa.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10103632/Italy-tops-international-sex-tourism-list.html

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life. On the other hand you have Italian sex predators traveling abroad specifically to rape young children. Yet you are demonizing the former rather than the latter. And you expect to be taken seriously?

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life. On the other hand you have Italian sex predators traveling abroad specifically to rape young children. Yet you are demonizing the former rather than the latter. And you expect to be taken seriously?

    If the low-IQ, belligerent Muslims came to Europe only for a holiday of bar fights and ass grabbing and then returned home, you might have an appropriate analogy. If 10 million young, Italian men moved to Guatemala, refused to leave, refused to assimilate, were less productive than the native population, and relied more heavily on what little government resources that poor county has, you might a point. You have neither.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu

    If 10 million young, Italian men moved to Guatemala, refused to leave, refused to assimilate, were less productive than the native population, and relied more heavily on what little government resources that poor county has, you might a point.
     
    You're making up numbers. Muslim migrants to Italy are in the thousands rather than the millions.

    You are repeating, almost verbatim, what was once said about Italian immigrants to the United States. Similar things were also said of you Jews wherever you went. Although in the case of Jews other more pernicious malbehaviors were cited, resulting in you getting pogromed and thrown out of every territory you tried to settle.

    It appears you approve of Italians traveling abroad to rape little children. You seem to be reinforcing the notion that white men like to boink little boys.
  235. @ElitistSettler
    This is why I laugh when folks praise places like Russia for "keeping out" the immigrants. In reality, it's somewhat unclear what the Russian policy towards immigration might be. They certainly haven't made an effort to slow or reverse the yellow-ing of the Russian east. Russia's (and Eastern Europe's) main deterrents to immigration are its language and its dysfunction. Russia has a higher murder rate and a worse drug problem than most countries in the middle east and even parts of North Africa. Not to mention the unemployment and a chronically stagnant economy. They red-pilled so hard that their country is an immigrant repellent shithole. I personally like to think of this as the "skunk solution" to immigration.

    Yes, that’s it really. For example: over the last years, Brazilian Enlightened Progressives were salivating over the prospect of giving us some Muslim refugees from Syria (to show off how progressive they were to their Progressive international friends).

    The people were against, of course, since we’re not exactly devoid of problems and really don’t need to add another one to the mix, but that didn’t stop then-President Dilma Rousseff (a former Marxist guerilla) from supporting it; neither could it stop the supposedly “right-wing conservative” Aloysio Nunes (another former Marxist guerilla – sounds familiar?) from championing changing the Foreigner Statute to facilitate immigration, which was eventually done by congress and sanctioned by the “right-wing” President Temer (Dilma was ousted in the meantime).

    Still, we got almost zero Syrians. They don’t want to come. The honest people displaced by the war prefer to stay closer to home, in Turkey, Lebanon, or Egypt. The opportunists want to go to Northern Europe, naturally. And the few clueless who dared come (most of the opportunistic variety) soon found things not to be easy. Just for the start:

    (1) You can’t do anything in Brazil without speaking Portuguese. Arabic is useless, French is useless, even English is useless for communicating with >90% of the people. Language teaching to foreigners is dismal.

    (2) The level of comfort was lower than they expected, and the level of crime much higher. And no one gave a shit for their concerns.

    (3) The (Christian) Syrian-Lebanese community, which some hoped would be of help, gave them an ice-cold shoulder. The rest of the people also didn’t move a finger to give the special help they needed. The Enlightened, of course, were nowhere to be seen by then.

    (4) The government proved absolutely incompetent at caring for them (housing, feeding, teaching, and redistributing them) the way Merkel would. It also was inacapable of protecting them from the consequences of they chimping out, which for some reason Muslim refugees always eventually do in the West.

    For example, we had this anti-immigration march in São Paulo one year ago. As the protesters were walking, a Palestinian Muslim refugee throwed a home-made bomb at them (you can’t make this shit up – https://m.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2017/05/1880596-lider-do-palestina-para-tods-e-preso-apos-confronto-com-direita-anti-imigracao.shtml). The bomb was so incompetently made that it barely hurt the protesters – but they got enraged and started punching the offender and the other brave Servants of Allah that were with him until the Police arrived, stopped the fight, heard everybody, and… arrested the Muslims, afterwards sending them to the hospital. Most of the press and every goodthinker in the country took the Muslims’ side, but the rude masses were in no mood to hear them, and the Police is hardly ever in the mood to care about Structural Oppression and whatever.

    With this sort of stuff, Immigration Law is the least thing that matters for explaining why we don’t have many immigrants.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The (Christian) Syrian-Lebanese community, which some hoped would be of help, gave them an ice-cold shoulder.
     
    They have enough problems of their own. E.g., the Lebanese-Brazilian music publisher Almir Chediak, an unsung hero of the bossa movement, was murdered in a common home-invasion robbery.
    , @baked georgia
    I barely see saw any muslim arabs (or whatever) in my lifetime, but there are hundreds of haitians and africans around everywhere where I live. the elites talk about them being enlightened highly educated, but they're just sunglasses selling random guys

    this, of course, yet, very soon we'll have more problems but then it will be to late
  236. @Okechukwu
    Sell your HBD hokum to people dumb enough to buy it. As a matter of fact, you'll fine many such people on this site. But don't take it the real world.

    When calling other people dumb it is a good idea to proofread what you write. Otherwise it just looks like projection.

    • Troll: Okechukwu
  237. @Anonymous Jew

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life. On the other hand you have Italian sex predators traveling abroad specifically to rape young children. Yet you are demonizing the former rather than the latter. And you expect to be taken seriously?
     
    If the low-IQ, belligerent Muslims came to Europe only for a holiday of bar fights and ass grabbing and then returned home, you might have an appropriate analogy. If 10 million young, Italian men moved to Guatemala, refused to leave, refused to assimilate, were less productive than the native population, and relied more heavily on what little government resources that poor county has, you might a point. You have neither.

    If 10 million young, Italian men moved to Guatemala, refused to leave, refused to assimilate, were less productive than the native population, and relied more heavily on what little government resources that poor county has, you might a point.

    You’re making up numbers. Muslim migrants to Italy are in the thousands rather than the millions.

    You are repeating, almost verbatim, what was once said about Italian immigrants to the United States. Similar things were also said of you Jews wherever you went. Although in the case of Jews other more pernicious malbehaviors were cited, resulting in you getting pogromed and thrown out of every territory you tried to settle.

    It appears you approve of Italians traveling abroad to rape little children. You seem to be reinforcing the notion that white men like to boink little boys.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    You love bad analogies. Recent waves of third-world immigrants to the US are not turning out to be anything resembling White Ellis Island immigrants from the turn of the century. Ellis Island immigrants reached parity (or better) within a generation or two. For one example, we're at 4 generations and counting of low-skilled Mexican immigrants and they have: dismal academic performance and test scores; lower levels of economic achievement/productivity; and higher welfare use. Unz argues that when you adjust for age and sex they do not have higher violent crime rates, but that's by counting only Mexican mestizos and excluding Dominicans and other Black or part-Black Hispanics - hie thee to Derbyshire's latest article for some insight into how our Dominican immigrants are doing.

    I wonder how Somali immigrants in Minnesota are doing compared to contemporary Korean, Filipino and various European immigrants? Please look it up and report back.

    Maybe when (if) some of the Muslim migrants stop marrying their cousins, inbreeding depression while abate and they'll get an extra 5 IQ points. Unfortunately, that's not enough to bridge the gap (speaking of the Muslim refugees, not highly-skilled, high IQ Muslim immigrants to the UK etc).

    What about the Black refugees swarming Europe's shores? They come from populations with an IQ of around 70. See the USA for how that will turn out. We've been trying to integrate Blacks for how many hundred years? Even with projects pumping millions into their schools (see Kansas City Desegregation Experiment, Running Start, et al) and 20% White admixture, it's still hopeless.

    Think of it this way: from a purely utilitarian perspective (academic and economic achievement, crime) immigrants that perform above the national average improve the nation; immigrants that fall below the national average worsen the nation. Why would any country want to make itself worse off. Please, do tell.

    There are approximately 5 billion people on this planet that are worse off than the average Mexican. There's no point in bringing them to the West. If you want to help them, good on you; help them in their own countries. Don't bring them here to f-ck up my country.

    As for my fellow Jews: 80% are crazy, masochist libtards that are playing an active role in bringing down Western Civilization; 20% are sane, law abiding, high achieving and patriotic White Americans. You can ship the former off to a colony in Siberia for all I care. I'll help you load up the boxcars.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    One more point regarding the numbers: if Europe completely and permanently opens its borders how many Black Africans will swarm to its shores? You can even be conservative on the so-called African "population-bomb"
  238. @Corvinus
    "Every nitwit who gets on those boats knows that they are taking a risk…..even more if the European nations decide to stop rendering aid."

    A risk they may not get to their destination.
    A risk they may become ill.
    A risk they may lose their meager possessions.

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation's navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

    "If those ships are turned around do you think ships from the African countries will fire upon them?"

    I have no issues with making those ships turn around. I do have an issue when people are playing God here. Listen, why don't you buy a large boat, equip it with large weapons, and take to the task of blowing up those ships yourself? You would be doing the Alt Right a great patriotic service. Are you game?

    "Keep up your moral preening Corvy…..you’re a veritable Mozart at it!"

    It's not preening, it's simply pointing out how something is utterly immoral. You really should look at your own moral compass on this matter. By chance, are you Christian?

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation’s navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

    Technically, their intent is to land their dingys on the shore without permission granted by the host nation and evading the normal procedure of customs inspection at a port. They intend to disembark unknown persons without a passport and unload uninspected cargo without paying duties or tarriffs.

    Sinking might be excessive, but they are legally smugglers and criminals.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Technically, their intent is to land their dingys on the shore without permission granted by the host nation and evading the normal procedure of customs inspection at a port."

    Actually, in most cases, the intent is to make it to place that is safe and ask for asylum. Whether or not the nation grants it is their own business.
  239. @Corvinus
    "Every nitwit who gets on those boats knows that they are taking a risk…..even more if the European nations decide to stop rendering aid."

    A risk they may not get to their destination.
    A risk they may become ill.
    A risk they may lose their meager possessions.

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation's navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

    "If those ships are turned around do you think ships from the African countries will fire upon them?"

    I have no issues with making those ships turn around. I do have an issue when people are playing God here. Listen, why don't you buy a large boat, equip it with large weapons, and take to the task of blowing up those ships yourself? You would be doing the Alt Right a great patriotic service. Are you game?

    "Keep up your moral preening Corvy…..you’re a veritable Mozart at it!"

    It's not preening, it's simply pointing out how something is utterly immoral. You really should look at your own moral compass on this matter. By chance, are you Christian?

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation’s navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

    Technically, their intent is to land their dingys on the shore without permission granted by the host nation and evading the normal procedure of customs inspection at a port. They intend to disembark unknown persons without a passport and unload uninspected cargo without paying duties or tarriffs.

    Sinking might be excessive, but they are legally smugglers and criminals.

  240. @Okechukwu

    There are thousands of young Italian guys who would be super motivated by the chance to stop the invasion and keep the garbage out of Italy.
     
    Actually, the real garbage emanates from Italy:

    Italy tops international sex tourism list

    ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Pornography and Trafficking) estimates around 80,000 Italians travel abroad every year to pursue sex, particularly with young children in South America and Africa.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10103632/Italy-tops-international-sex-tourism-list.html

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life. On the other hand you have Italian sex predators traveling abroad specifically to rape young children. Yet you are demonizing the former rather than the latter. And you expect to be taken seriously?

    Hey Dad, the man does have a point.

  241. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Yes, that's it really. For example: over the last years, Brazilian Enlightened Progressives were salivating over the prospect of giving us some Muslim refugees from Syria (to show off how progressive they were to their Progressive international friends).

    The people were against, of course, since we're not exactly devoid of problems and really don't need to add another one to the mix, but that didn't stop then-President Dilma Rousseff (a former Marxist guerilla) from supporting it; neither could it stop the supposedly "right-wing conservative" Aloysio Nunes (another former Marxist guerilla - sounds familiar?) from championing changing the Foreigner Statute to facilitate immigration, which was eventually done by congress and sanctioned by the "right-wing" President Temer (Dilma was ousted in the meantime).

    Still, we got almost zero Syrians. They don't want to come. The honest people displaced by the war prefer to stay closer to home, in Turkey, Lebanon, or Egypt. The opportunists want to go to Northern Europe, naturally. And the few clueless who dared come (most of the opportunistic variety) soon found things not to be easy. Just for the start:

    (1) You can't do anything in Brazil without speaking Portuguese. Arabic is useless, French is useless, even English is useless for communicating with >90% of the people. Language teaching to foreigners is dismal.

    (2) The level of comfort was lower than they expected, and the level of crime much higher. And no one gave a shit for their concerns.

    (3) The (Christian) Syrian-Lebanese community, which some hoped would be of help, gave them an ice-cold shoulder. The rest of the people also didn't move a finger to give the special help they needed. The Enlightened, of course, were nowhere to be seen by then.

    (4) The government proved absolutely incompetent at caring for them (housing, feeding, teaching, and redistributing them) the way Merkel would. It also was inacapable of protecting them from the consequences of they chimping out, which for some reason Muslim refugees always eventually do in the West.

    For example, we had this anti-immigration march in São Paulo one year ago. As the protesters were walking, a Palestinian Muslim refugee throwed a home-made bomb at them (you can't make this shit up - https://m.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2017/05/1880596-lider-do-palestina-para-tods-e-preso-apos-confronto-com-direita-anti-imigracao.shtml). The bomb was so incompetently made that it barely hurt the protesters - but they got enraged and started punching the offender and the other brave Servants of Allah that were with him until the Police arrived, stopped the fight, heard everybody, and... arrested the Muslims, afterwards sending them to the hospital. Most of the press and every goodthinker in the country took the Muslims' side, but the rude masses were in no mood to hear them, and the Police is hardly ever in the mood to care about Structural Oppression and whatever.

    With this sort of stuff, Immigration Law is the least thing that matters for explaining why we don't have many immigrants.

    The (Christian) Syrian-Lebanese community, which some hoped would be of help, gave them an ice-cold shoulder.

    They have enough problems of their own. E.g., the Lebanese-Brazilian music publisher Almir Chediak, an unsung hero of the bossa movement, was murdered in a common home-invasion robbery.

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    One can learn a lot on this comment session; I didn't know about this murder, though I'm not surprised.

    I think the "Syrians" here, being mostly Christian and very well integrated (more than anyone would expect), still have some bad blood with their former Muslim neighbors.
  242. @Okechukwu

    There are thousands of young Italian guys who would be super motivated by the chance to stop the invasion and keep the garbage out of Italy.
     
    Actually, the real garbage emanates from Italy:

    Italy tops international sex tourism list

    ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Pornography and Trafficking) estimates around 80,000 Italians travel abroad every year to pursue sex, particularly with young children in South America and Africa.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10103632/Italy-tops-international-sex-tourism-list.html

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life. On the other hand you have Italian sex predators traveling abroad specifically to rape young children. Yet you are demonizing the former rather than the latter. And you expect to be taken seriously?

    On the one hand you have innocent people who are going to Italy in search of a better life.

    You mean more money.

    The word for that is not “innocent”, it’s “mercenary”.

  243. @Dave Pinsen
    "Painful relativity about race"? I'm not sure racial attitudes in Brazil, even among self-identified blacks, map directly to American resentments. An anecdote that illustrates this, which I've probably mentioned here before: a friend and I were in a cafe in Rio de Janeiro when he wanted to ask for a plate and accidentally used the Portuguese word for "black" instead ("preto"). The black waitress very pleasantly corrected him, in the process pointing to her forearm to illustrate that "preto" meant black. There wasn't a hint of resentment or surliness in her demeanor when she did this.

    …pointing to her forearm to illustrate that “preto” meant black.

    The singer Gilberto Gil named a daughter Preta, after his mother.

    However, little Preta’s own mother couldn’t have been very black!


    She’s also on the chunky side for a Brasileira. Are they going the way of Mexico?

  244. @Okechukwu

    If 10 million young, Italian men moved to Guatemala, refused to leave, refused to assimilate, were less productive than the native population, and relied more heavily on what little government resources that poor county has, you might a point.
     
    You're making up numbers. Muslim migrants to Italy are in the thousands rather than the millions.

    You are repeating, almost verbatim, what was once said about Italian immigrants to the United States. Similar things were also said of you Jews wherever you went. Although in the case of Jews other more pernicious malbehaviors were cited, resulting in you getting pogromed and thrown out of every territory you tried to settle.

    It appears you approve of Italians traveling abroad to rape little children. You seem to be reinforcing the notion that white men like to boink little boys.

    You love bad analogies. Recent waves of third-world immigrants to the US are not turning out to be anything resembling White Ellis Island immigrants from the turn of the century. Ellis Island immigrants reached parity (or better) within a generation or two. For one example, we’re at 4 generations and counting of low-skilled Mexican immigrants and they have: dismal academic performance and test scores; lower levels of economic achievement/productivity; and higher welfare use. Unz argues that when you adjust for age and sex they do not have higher violent crime rates, but that’s by counting only Mexican mestizos and excluding Dominicans and other Black or part-Black Hispanics – hie thee to Derbyshire’s latest article for some insight into how our Dominican immigrants are doing.

    I wonder how Somali immigrants in Minnesota are doing compared to contemporary Korean, Filipino and various European immigrants? Please look it up and report back.

    Maybe when (if) some of the Muslim migrants stop marrying their cousins, inbreeding depression while abate and they’ll get an extra 5 IQ points. Unfortunately, that’s not enough to bridge the gap (speaking of the Muslim refugees, not highly-skilled, high IQ Muslim immigrants to the UK etc).

    What about the Black refugees swarming Europe’s shores? They come from populations with an IQ of around 70. See the USA for how that will turn out. We’ve been trying to integrate Blacks for how many hundred years? Even with projects pumping millions into their schools (see Kansas City Desegregation Experiment, Running Start, et al) and 20% White admixture, it’s still hopeless.

    Think of it this way: from a purely utilitarian perspective (academic and economic achievement, crime) immigrants that perform above the national average improve the nation; immigrants that fall below the national average worsen the nation. Why would any country want to make itself worse off. Please, do tell.

    There are approximately 5 billion people on this planet that are worse off than the average Mexican. There’s no point in bringing them to the West. If you want to help them, good on you; help them in their own countries. Don’t bring them here to f-ck up my country.

    As for my fellow Jews: 80% are crazy, masochist libtards that are playing an active role in bringing down Western Civilization; 20% are sane, law abiding, high achieving and patriotic White Americans. You can ship the former off to a colony in Siberia for all I care. I’ll help you load up the boxcars.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Okechukwu

    Recent waves of third-world immigrants to the US are not turning out to be anything resembling White Ellis Island immigrants from the turn of the century.
     
    You're right. That's because recent immigrants are far superior to the human garbage dumped on Ellis Island. The only thing required for Ellis Island was boat fare. Now we have much more exacting standards and qualification requirements.

    Ellis Island immigrants reached parity (or better) within a generation or two.
     
    Recent immigrants leave the Ellis Island immigrants in the dust when it comes to assimilation, and educational and occupational attainment. There's a long list of nationalities who arrived after the Immigration Act of 1965 who are now well ahead of native whites with regard to college degrees earned and income per capita: Indians, Iranians, Iraqis, Nigerians, Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans, etc. In fact for most of these people, in comparison to the poverty and dysfunction in their home countries, America is an easy downhill ride where most of the natives don't offer much in the way of competition. Conversely, when we examine European immigrants from the late 19th to early 20th centuries, we find people who often never learned English and who usually were illiterate and grossly unskilled. Trump's immigration czar, Stephen Miller, provides an excellent example:

    Stephen Miller favors immigrants who speak English. But the 1910 census shows his own great-grandmother couldn't

    https://twitter.com/CleverTitleTK/status/892895479402463232/photo/1

    Well today's immigrants come already equipped with English skills because they need English proficiency in order to navigate the process.

    we’re at 4 generations and counting of low-skilled Mexican immigrants and they have: dismal academic performance and test scores; lower levels of economic achievement/productivity; and higher welfare use
     
    Look up how American-born first, second and third generation Mexicans are doing and get back to me. But let's stick to legal immigration, shall we?

    I wonder how Somali immigrants in Minnesota are doing compared to contemporary Korean, Filipino and various European immigrants? Please look it up and report back.
     
    Sure.

    Even if the numbers show Somalis are struggling more that other minority groups, it's important to recognize that they've been in the U.S. for a relatively short amount of time.

    After 30 years of helping thousands of immigrants and refugees find their way, John Borden of the International Institute of Minnesota said the longer any group has been coming here, the easier it gets for the most recent arrivals of that group to adapt.

    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/01/25/comparing-the-somali-experience-in-minnesota-to-other-immigrant-groups-of-immigrants-

    What about the Black refugees swarming Europe’s shores?
     
    They're smarter, better educated and better qualified than the riffraff Europe used to send all over the world generations ago.

    They come from populations with an IQ of around 70.
     
    You couldn't prove this even if your life depended on it. You saw some fake data online and you went with it without doing any due diligence of your own. Which, by the way, calls your own intelligence into question.

    See the USA for how that will turn out.
     
    Ok, let's look:

    It Isn’t Just Asian Immigrants Who Thrive in the U.S.

    More than 43 percent of African immigrants hold a bachelor’s degree or higher…. That education translates into higher household income. Nigerian-Americans, for instance, have a median household income well above the American average, and above… those of Dutch or Korean descent.

    https://equitablegrowth.org/must-read-noah-smith-it-isnt-just-asian-immigrants-who-thrive-in-the-u-s/

    Think of it this way: from a purely utilitarian perspective (academic and economic achievement, crime) immigrants that perform above the national average improve the nation; immigrants that fall below the national average worsen the nation. Why would any country want to make itself worse off. Please, do tell.
     
    Once again, knucklehead, these very same arguments that were used against you Jews and other European immigrants. Many of you were even given IQ tests and deported for imbecility. And Ellis Island wasn't necessarily a one-way trip. Many of you were examined, questioned and shipped back to the European shitholes you fled from.

    I can't believe that a Jew is talking about the malign influence of other ethnicities. There is a virtual potpourri of crimes you people have been indicted for. Everything from colossal Wall Street scams to instigating various wars to corrupting governments to filling the world with porn and smut. And that's just very the tip of the iceberg.

    There are approximately 5 billion people on this planet that are worse off than the average Mexican. There’s no point in bringing them to the West. If you want to help them, good on you; help them in their own countries. Don’t bring them here to f-ck up my country.
     
    If we were to propose an exchange of Mexicans for Jews anywhere in the world, I believe the Mexicans would win.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder how Somali immigrants in Minnesota are doing compared to contemporary Korean, Filipino and various European immigrants? Please look it up and report back.
     
    They themselves report that the Twin Cities population is among the most prosperous anywhere in the Somali diaspora, but suffers a higher incidence of family breakup. Minnesota is more generous with welfare benefits than other states, true, but still quite a bit less so than the European countries Somalis have flocked to, eg, UK, Finland, Italy...

    It's difficult to get statistics on Somalis here, because racially, they're lumped in with other blacks, immigrant and native, and onomastically they differ little from many other Moslem tribes. Particularly as they traditionally use patronymics rather than true surnames.
  245. @Numinous
    I guess it's beyond Americans to understand and appreciate football (I refuse to call it by the abominable name "soccer") for what it is, so perhaps you guys need to stop dissecting the game and commenting on its extremely tangential aspects. You obviously have games you believe are superior to it, so just follow those games and leave the football-fans to their sport, rather than producing asinine articles and blog posts, whether it be in left-wing newspapers or alt-right websites. Clearly you cannot comment on the game without projecting your American racial and political hangups on every corner of the world.

    That seems unfair. Here in America we support soccer and many other women’s sports.

  246. @Okechukwu

    If 10 million young, Italian men moved to Guatemala, refused to leave, refused to assimilate, were less productive than the native population, and relied more heavily on what little government resources that poor county has, you might a point.
     
    You're making up numbers. Muslim migrants to Italy are in the thousands rather than the millions.

    You are repeating, almost verbatim, what was once said about Italian immigrants to the United States. Similar things were also said of you Jews wherever you went. Although in the case of Jews other more pernicious malbehaviors were cited, resulting in you getting pogromed and thrown out of every territory you tried to settle.

    It appears you approve of Italians traveling abroad to rape little children. You seem to be reinforcing the notion that white men like to boink little boys.

    One more point regarding the numbers: if Europe completely and permanently opens its borders how many Black Africans will swarm to its shores? You can even be conservative on the so-called African “population-bomb”

    • Replies: @Okechukwu

    One more point regarding the numbers: if Europe completely and permanently opens its borders how many Black Africans will swarm to its shores? You can even be conservative on the so-called African “population-bomb”
     
    If Africa had a child sex tourism free-for-all how many Europeans would flock to Africa?
  247. @Sandmich
    I find it interesting how they worked in unrelated photos of black students so that the article wouldn't be a giant white/asian parade.

    Also: multiple Indian HS students. They’re probably Indian families who work for technical companies. In a way they ‘re maybe better than Asian in that area.

    Few Mexicans, aside for some Catholic schools, maybe. Not surprising.

    Ashland, OR, is a small population, 20,000 population, but six PSAT awards. All with seemingly with white guys. Maybe it’s the Ashland Shakespeare acting.

    • Replies: @res

    Ashland, OR, is a small population, 20,000 population, but six PSAT awards. All with seemingly with white guys. Maybe it’s the Ashland Shakespeare acting.
     
    Are you counting commended students? I see three semifinalists (two boys and a girl): https://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2018/05/26_oregon_seniors_from_19_scho.html
    http://dailytidings.com/news/education/ashland-high-students-earn-national-merit-scholarships

    OR has a fairly high NMSF cutoff: https://www.compassprep.com/national-merit-semifinalist-cutoffs/
  248. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu
    The racial dynamics in Brazil are different from those in the US, but Brazilians are still subject to the same conditioning. What is interesting is that the Neymar look is what many white people are looking for in their offspring. For this reason, more and more white women want children fathered by black men.

    An idea of beauty changes with time and place and is actuated by conditioning. In Africa, prior to colonization, if someone like Taylor Swift walked into a village she'd be considered grotesquely ugly. This is because they had been conditioned to an idea of beauty diametrically in opposition to what she presents. In the west, there was a time when fat women (rubenesque) were considered the most beautiful. Now the ideal is shifting away from the white European archetype to something blacker and more ethnic.


    By the way, in the U.S., female celebrities who are considered black, such as Beyonce, spend fortunes to make their hair and/or skin look whiter.
     
    Whites spend even more to look blacker, including risking their lives undergoing dangerous surgical procedures and courting cancer by lying in the sun or tanning beds. Show me a white woman with no lips, a flat ass and pale white skin and chances are that woman can't get a date.

    Whites spend even more to look blacker, including risking their lives undergoing dangerous surgical procedures and courting cancer by lying in the sun or tanning beds. Show me a white woman with no lips, a flat ass and pale white skin and chances are that woman can’t get a date.

    White people in cold countries want tans because dark skin is a sign of wealth and status. It means you’re rich enough to spend long holidays in far away countries. It has nothing to do with race.

    I’ve seen other blacks saying this, so assume it must be a common belief. It confused me when I first saw it. (I and my friends often had tans when we were younger but it never crossed our minds that we wanted to be a different race.) Then I understood: blacks do want to be a different race, and this is why they try to lighten their skin, so when they see white people tanning they assume the motivation is the same. Projection.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu

    White people in cold countries want tans because dark skin is a sign of wealth and status. It means you’re rich enough to spend long holidays in far away countries. It has nothing to do with race.
     
    Los Angeles is a "cold country?" Who knew? Now, find me a white Angeleno who'd be willing to walk out of the house with pale skin.

    blacks do want to be a different race, and this is why they try to lighten their skin, so when they see white people tanning they assume the motivation is the same. Projection.

     

    Black people that lighten their skin are few and far between. But skin tanning is a universal obsession among white people. It's obvious white people would get rid of their pale skins if they could. That's why they consider mixed-race black people the most attractive humans:

    Study: Men and women view mixed-race male faces as more attractive than White faces

    “Both men and women find faces of mixed-race men as the most attractive, followed by Black faces, and then White faces,” Stepanova told PsyPost. “However, when we talk about mixed-race faces, faces that have (a) an even mixture of both Afrocentric and Eurocentric facial features (shape of the nose, lips, etc.) and (b) a skin tone that is not too light and not too dark are perceived as the most attractive.”

    https://www.psypost.org/2018/01/study-men-women-view-mixed-race-male-faces-attractive-white-faces-50614
  249. @fish

    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation’s navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?
     
    I don't! I would much rather that they never get on those boats at all. Stay and improve your own countries gentlemen.

    I have no issues with making those ships turn around. I do have an issue when people are playing God here. Listen, why don’t you buy a large boat, equip it with large weapons, and take to the task of blowing up those ships yourself? You would be doing the Alt Right a great patriotic service. Are you game?
     
    Good! We're on the same page so far! Perhaps when those boats start washing up on US shores I'll start looking into it! For now however it's up to the Europeans to control their borders and shores! I hope they're up to the task!

    It’s not preening, it’s simply pointing out how something is utterly immoral. You really should look at your own moral compass on this matter. By chance, are you Christian?
     
    As immoral as letting your country be overrun with an aspirational mass of unassimilable 20 - 30 year old males. An invasion force if you will! I don't recall your weeping and gnashing of teeth for the victims of Islamic on European crime! But I guess you gotta break a couple eggs!

    Last question - only in passing!

    “As immoral as letting your country be overrun with an aspirational mass of unassimilable 20 – 30 year old males.”

    Except the immigrants are other than incapable of being assimilated.

    “An invasion force if you will!”

    No, it’s not an “invasion”. That would be the Alt Right narrative.

    “I don’t recall your weeping and gnashing of teeth for the victims of Islamic on European crime!”

    And what specific event would you be referring to?

    • Replies: @fish
    Spare me Corvy.....you argue like a car salesman!

    I don't want the fucking undercoating thank you very much!
  250. @Hippopotamusdrome


    But NOT a risk to be sunk without warning on sight by another nation’s navy. Why do you seemingly enjoy murderous intent?

     

    Technically, their intent is to land their dingys on the shore without permission granted by the host nation and evading the normal procedure of customs inspection at a port. They intend to disembark unknown persons without a passport and unload uninspected cargo without paying duties or tarriffs.

    Sinking might be excessive, but they are legally smugglers and criminals.

    “Technically, their intent is to land their dingys on the shore without permission granted by the host nation and evading the normal procedure of customs inspection at a port.”

    Actually, in most cases, the intent is to make it to place that is safe and ask for asylum. Whether or not the nation grants it is their own business.

  251. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    You somehow managed to totally miss the (fairly obvious) point The post was a representation of how a typical atheist SJW might cynically attempt to use Christianity to push the pro-immvasion agenda.

    “You somehow managed to totally miss the (fairly obvious) point The post was a representation of how a typical atheist SJW might cynically attempt to use Christianity to push the pro-immvasion agenda.”

    That was amazing given the relative obscurity of the quotation offered. And it’s not “pro-immvasion”, it’s simply immigrant policy. Furthermore, an SJW would indeed use Christianity against Christians who use the good book to advocate the sinking of refugee ships.

  252. res says:
    @boomstick
    @Sandmich

    Also: multiple Indian HS students. They're probably Indian families who work for technical companies. In a way they 're maybe better than Asian in that area.

    Few Mexicans, aside for some Catholic schools, maybe. Not surprising.

    Ashland, OR, is a small population, 20,000 population, but six PSAT awards. All with seemingly with white guys. Maybe it's the Ashland Shakespeare acting.

    Ashland, OR, is a small population, 20,000 population, but six PSAT awards. All with seemingly with white guys. Maybe it’s the Ashland Shakespeare acting.

    Are you counting commended students? I see three semifinalists (two boys and a girl): https://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2018/05/26_oregon_seniors_from_19_scho.html

    http://dailytidings.com/news/education/ashland-high-students-earn-national-merit-scholarships

    OR has a fairly high NMSF cutoff: https://www.compassprep.com/national-merit-semifinalist-cutoffs/

  253. @DFH

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is… an interesting definition of “well”, to say the least. It’s more like differing levels of Dante’s Inferno.
     
    Slavery in the US wasn't any level of the Inferno. Being deprived of freedom is not nice and wrong, but materially their living standards were quite good and probably better than European peasants of the time.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/slavery-in-the-united-states/

    “Slavery in the US wasn’t any level of the Inferno.”

    It was physically brutal and psychologically devastating. Listen, why don’t you sell yourself into slavery, I hear the conditions are “materially better” than your life right now.

    “Being deprived of freedom is not nice and wrong, but materially their living standards were quite good and probably better than European peasants of the time.”

    Just enough to eat and drink, with a roof over one’s head…so long as they did the master’s bidding ain’t anywhere near better than the freedom enjoyed and goods owned by European peasants.

    • Replies: @DFH

    It was physically brutal and psychologically devastating.
     

    Just enough to eat and drink, with a roof over one’s head…so long as they did the master’s bidding ain’t anywhere near better than the freedom enjoyed and goods owned by European peasants.
     
    But the evidence shows this wasn't the case for most slaves, whatever your middle school teacher taught you. Did you bother to read the link?
    , @anonymous

    It was physically brutal and psychologically devastating. Listen, why don’t you sell yourself into slavery, I hear the conditions are “materially better” than your life right now.

     

    A lot of people join the military for a better life.
  254. Anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    Agree. Steve should censor all links to trashy British tabloids.

    Just look at this example...

    mirror.co.uk [Proud to support Pride]

    Bodies of three tiny children ... WARNING - DISTRESSING IMAGES ... (caption:) A man carries the body of a baby ... Shocking images have emerged of the dozens of migrants who drowned ... Babies can be seen ... (caption:) The bodies of three young children ...

     

    It could provoke commentators to mockery. Possibly even a ... dead baby joke.

    1. Why are the babies white?

    2. What do we need a caption to tell us the baby’s were recovered at sea? Because they look like normal, living babies, that’s why. Dead bodies that have been at sea for more than a short while do not look like that. I will leave the Google Images research up to you. A baby would not be immediately identifiable as a baby if it had been dead at sea for a day or more. It would be a weird (not really that gross) swollen blob. Bacteria create gases. Things filled with gases want to become spheres. They either become spheres or they explode.

    3. The overuse of trigger warnings has reached the point that nobody believes them anymore. They are a form of clickbait.

  255. DFH says:
    @Corvinus
    "Slavery in the US wasn’t any level of the Inferno."

    It was physically brutal and psychologically devastating. Listen, why don't you sell yourself into slavery, I hear the conditions are "materially better" than your life right now.

    "Being deprived of freedom is not nice and wrong, but materially their living standards were quite good and probably better than European peasants of the time."

    Just enough to eat and drink, with a roof over one's head...so long as they did the master's bidding ain't anywhere near better than the freedom enjoyed and goods owned by European peasants.

    It was physically brutal and psychologically devastating.

    Just enough to eat and drink, with a roof over one’s head…so long as they did the master’s bidding ain’t anywhere near better than the freedom enjoyed and goods owned by European peasants.

    But the evidence shows this wasn’t the case for most slaves, whatever your middle school teacher taught you. Did you bother to read the link?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "But the evidence shows this wasn’t the case for most slaves, whatever your middle school teacher taught you. Did you bother to read the link?"

    One must dig deeper into this "evidence". Regarding diet, your source shows how slave diets were "quantitatively satisfactory, not qualitatively sufficient". The decided poor quality and lack of consistent nutrients of food led slaves to physical issues later on in life, as well as being chronically ill. Malnutrition and overwork were also commonplace, which the author notes played a major role in the stature of young children. As far as height is concerned, your source stated “comparisons involving Asians versus Europeans and Africans [regarding height] should be made cautiously because of the possible role of genetic factors. This point and references to the literature are discussed in Richard H. Steckel, "Birth Weights and Infant Mortality Among American Slaves," Explorations in Economic History, 23 (Apr. 1986), fn. 2.”

    Moreover, that same source states “There is independent evidence, however, that the childhood diet was poor. Slaveowners frequently discussed the care and feeding of slaves among themselves and within southern agricultural journals. It is clear that deliberations focused on working slaves. One planter stated that "a negro deprived of a meat diet is not able to endure the labor that those can perform who are liberally supplied with it.” Others usually stated allowances of meat, corn, and other foods in terms of working or laboring hands. If children were mentioned at all, they usually received 'proportionally less'.”

    Regarding literacy rates, it was illegal in the South for slaves to be taught by white people how to read and write. The 1870 census data from your source—20% of blacks were literate—comes from individuals almost exclusively born and raised in the North, i.e. free blacks, where there was not this type of prohibition. Most southern-born blacks were illiterate, and most blacks in 1870 were southern born. Slave owners had believed that literate slaves would significantly be more prone to foment rebellion.

    Regarding hours and difficulty of work, the author from the source acknowledges that one of the reasons for fewer hours toiling in the fields compared to free white farmers is that the “gang system enabled masters to drive slaves at a more intensive pace per hour…in other words, slaves worked harder, not longer”. Moreover, southern slave laws built in time for slaves to labor less on weekends not due to the kindness of their masters, but to reduce the likelihood that working slaves to death would lead to outright revolt. Moreover, there was significant innovation in cotton agriculture that may have had direct and indirect effects on the amount of harvest ready cotton, which would have reduced the working hours of slaves in the fields, but not in other areas of the plantation, where work was mandatory, whether it cutting down trees, making repairs, and As far as the results of the Logan experiment is concerned, there are not comparable situations, given the fact that his children were free and not subject to harsh discipline and a substandard diet.

    Regarding corporal punishment, it is other than surprising not to have widespread records of this phenomenon in the South, as slaves were considered property and masters could control their property as they saw fit. Of course, there were laws that were to protect slaves from egregious and outrageous physical harm, but in those cases where the master was put on trial, only in rare instances he would be found guilty, and even then he would pay a fine rather than be subject to mandatory prison time.
  256. @adreadline
    Of note, Bolivians in São Paulo are not limited to sweatshop work. True, you did not say they were, but I myself did not realize that until recently. There are quite a few of them in the University of São Paulo, including as STEM professors. They seem quite satisfied here, though apparently nobody worldwide gives much attention to USP. Perhaps studying and working here is better than about anything they could do in Bolivia? La Paz doesn't look like an exceptionally bad place to live, but it is even more isolated than São Paulo.

    Many do not speak our language very well; I don't know if it's because they're able to get their point across speaking Spanish/Portuñol and so view it as unnecessary, or if it's because Brazilian Portuguese is very difficult to learn for Spanish speakers.

    The graduate students I lived with were Columbian. They told me that if you wanted to do science in South America, Sao Paulo was the place to go. Staying home wasn’t an option.

  257. @Reg Cæsar

    The (Christian) Syrian-Lebanese community, which some hoped would be of help, gave them an ice-cold shoulder.
     
    They have enough problems of their own. E.g., the Lebanese-Brazilian music publisher Almir Chediak, an unsung hero of the bossa movement, was murdered in a common home-invasion robbery.

    One can learn a lot on this comment session; I didn’t know about this murder, though I’m not surprised.

    I think the “Syrians” here, being mostly Christian and very well integrated (more than anyone would expect), still have some bad blood with their former Muslim neighbors.

  258. @Stan d Mute

    To say that slaves were treated well in the US is… an interesting definition of “well”, to say the least. It’s more like differing levels of Dante’s Inferno.
     
    Given that slavery is a manifest evil, treating one’s slaves “well” is self-evidently a relative proposition. And as I was explicitly comparing Brazil to America, it was even more obvious. The numbers speak for themselves. Brazilian slavery was more akin to Arab slavery than to English slavery and even within the sub-genre of English slavery negroes cost much more than white slaves. Sheer common sense dictates you treat more expensive property better than cheap property.

    Michael Hoffman, a historian Ron Unz has given some attention to here recently, has an interesting book “They Were White and They Were Slaves” that provides a comparison of negro vs white slaves in America. There’s a full PDF here: http://www.solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/they-were-white-and-they-were-slaves-michael-a-hoffman-ii.pdf. It may also be on Unz.org, but a quick peek didn’t reveal it to me.

    Absolutely. I understand what you are getting at, and I think we agree. Thanks, I’ll take a look.

    My personal go-to comparison for American slaves are Russian serfs-they even got liberated in the same decade. To be sure, serfs did have some (very theoretical) rights in the last century of serfdom’s existence that American slaves lacked until the end. But in practice, it was more or less the same thing, though. Treatment depended on the master to a large degree, and they could run the gamut from benevolent to sadistic. But serfs were legally bound to the land-and the masters could do whatever they wanted to them.

    I think we can find a nice middle ground between noting that there were indeed worse fates (Brazilian sugar plantations being a prime example) and acknowledging that American slavery (and Russian serfdom) was still a gross atrocity for which there was no moral justification. Russian serfs and American slaves were routinely mistreated, abused, and not treated like human beings, but generally, employers economically valued them enough to at least keep them alive. In Brazil, on the other hand, it was just cheaper to import new ones if the old ones died off, given the nature of sugar harvesting: add in the specific nature of the Portuguese colonization, and for many wretched Africans, a trip to Brazil really was a death sentence. A heavily male, single society on all sides of the equation, lacking any form of family ties whatsoever-the Portuguese didn’t want slave families and focused heavily on young, male slaves-led to a predictably psychopathic, power-oriented culture. I think the latter part of this changed down the line, but still, the scars reverberated. I can’t help but wonder if some of Brazil’s political problems go back to the mentality caused by the initial colonization. Show up and collect…

    As I mentioned, if you were an especially unlucky African, you could get a “degredado” fresh from a Portuguese death row cell as your owner. While psychopathic owners also existed in Russia and the USA, there was never a concerted effort to haul up every hardcore psychotic tattooed murderer in the nation and dump them somewhere with free reign over an enslaved populace, just to keep them far away from you and occupied.

    • Replies: @DFH
    The material conditions for black slaves were better than those of most whites in the US at the time, let alone Russia. They were taller and worked significantly fewer hours than white farmers. Their literacy rate was higher than that of Russia.
  259. @nebulafox
    Absolutely. I understand what you are getting at, and I think we agree. Thanks, I'll take a look.

    My personal go-to comparison for American slaves are Russian serfs-they even got liberated in the same decade. To be sure, serfs did have some (very theoretical) rights in the last century of serfdom's existence that American slaves lacked until the end. But in practice, it was more or less the same thing, though. Treatment depended on the master to a large degree, and they could run the gamut from benevolent to sadistic. But serfs were legally bound to the land-and the masters could do whatever they wanted to them.

    I think we can find a nice middle ground between noting that there were indeed worse fates (Brazilian sugar plantations being a prime example) and acknowledging that American slavery (and Russian serfdom) was still a gross atrocity for which there was no moral justification. Russian serfs and American slaves were routinely mistreated, abused, and not treated like human beings, but generally, employers economically valued them enough to at least keep them alive. In Brazil, on the other hand, it was just cheaper to import new ones if the old ones died off, given the nature of sugar harvesting: add in the specific nature of the Portuguese colonization, and for many wretched Africans, a trip to Brazil really was a death sentence. A heavily male, single society on all sides of the equation, lacking any form of family ties whatsoever-the Portuguese didn't want slave families and focused heavily on young, male slaves-led to a predictably psychopathic, power-oriented culture. I think the latter part of this changed down the line, but still, the scars reverberated. I can't help but wonder if some of Brazil's political problems go back to the mentality caused by the initial colonization. Show up and collect...

    As I mentioned, if you were an especially unlucky African, you could get a "degredado" fresh from a Portuguese death row cell as your owner. While psychopathic owners also existed in Russia and the USA, there was never a concerted effort to haul up every hardcore psychotic tattooed murderer in the nation and dump them somewhere with free reign over an enslaved populace, just to keep them far away from you and occupied.

    The material conditions for black slaves were better than those of most whites in the US at the time, let alone Russia. They were taller and worked significantly fewer hours than white farmers. Their literacy rate was higher than that of Russia.

  260. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    I think it's a fair point to bring. In the universities, there is quite a number (say, some 4%?) of people from Spanish America, both as graduate students and professors. Their level of proficiency in Portuguese varies from "non-existant" to "almost native", with most speaking well enough to be understood, in my experience. I'm actually fine with them this educated bunch; they funny people, they are not many, and they don't cause much trouble (apart from not listening what we say, even when they are wrong).

    I wonder if it is mutual; I know that there are many Brazilians going to Medicine school in Bolivia (cuz it's easier). But overall, the language/culture barrier seems to be stronger than one would expect.

    My experience is that readers of Spanish can fairly well understand Portuguese with a little practice and vice versa. Portuguese / Brazilians can do better with understanding spoken Spanish than vice versa, but they get very upset with people, especially non-native Spanish speakers speaking Spanish to them.

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    And you are right, the written languages are mutually understandable; the spoken languages need practice, but communication is possible.

    That's why it's intriguing that the language/culture barrier is so strong. At least, much stronger than expected.
  261. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Heh.

    I saw Cabaret (or actually, about ten minutes of it, I've seen it a number of times) on TCM a couple of nights ago at a friend's house. (I don't have cable.) Liza Minnelli was, not "beautiful", but cute and endearing in a way when she was young. 45 years and four marriages to men who prefer the sausage to the fish have stripmined the cuteness and endearingness out pretty bad.

    Another thing-Liza May Minnelli- another LMM to be an iSteve acronym? She does look a little like the younger Muffett, doesn't she? Or vice versa.

    Another thing-Liza May Minnelli- another LMM to be an iSteve acronym? She does look a little like the younger Muffett, doesn’t she? Or vice versa.

    Ummmm….not really

  262. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Yes, that's it really. For example: over the last years, Brazilian Enlightened Progressives were salivating over the prospect of giving us some Muslim refugees from Syria (to show off how progressive they were to their Progressive international friends).

    The people were against, of course, since we're not exactly devoid of problems and really don't need to add another one to the mix, but that didn't stop then-President Dilma Rousseff (a former Marxist guerilla) from supporting it; neither could it stop the supposedly "right-wing conservative" Aloysio Nunes (another former Marxist guerilla - sounds familiar?) from championing changing the Foreigner Statute to facilitate immigration, which was eventually done by congress and sanctioned by the "right-wing" President Temer (Dilma was ousted in the meantime).

    Still, we got almost zero Syrians. They don't want to come. The honest people displaced by the war prefer to stay closer to home, in Turkey, Lebanon, or Egypt. The opportunists want to go to Northern Europe, naturally. And the few clueless who dared come (most of the opportunistic variety) soon found things not to be easy. Just for the start:

    (1) You can't do anything in Brazil without speaking Portuguese. Arabic is useless, French is useless, even English is useless for communicating with >90% of the people. Language teaching to foreigners is dismal.

    (2) The level of comfort was lower than they expected, and the level of crime much higher. And no one gave a shit for their concerns.

    (3) The (Christian) Syrian-Lebanese community, which some hoped would be of help, gave them an ice-cold shoulder. The rest of the people also didn't move a finger to give the special help they needed. The Enlightened, of course, were nowhere to be seen by then.

    (4) The government proved absolutely incompetent at caring for them (housing, feeding, teaching, and redistributing them) the way Merkel would. It also was inacapable of protecting them from the consequences of they chimping out, which for some reason Muslim refugees always eventually do in the West.

    For example, we had this anti-immigration march in São Paulo one year ago. As the protesters were walking, a Palestinian Muslim refugee throwed a home-made bomb at them (you can't make this shit up - https://m.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2017/05/1880596-lider-do-palestina-para-tods-e-preso-apos-confronto-com-direita-anti-imigracao.shtml). The bomb was so incompetently made that it barely hurt the protesters - but they got enraged and started punching the offender and the other brave Servants of Allah that were with him until the Police arrived, stopped the fight, heard everybody, and... arrested the Muslims, afterwards sending them to the hospital. Most of the press and every goodthinker in the country took the Muslims' side, but the rude masses were in no mood to hear them, and the Police is hardly ever in the mood to care about Structural Oppression and whatever.

    With this sort of stuff, Immigration Law is the least thing that matters for explaining why we don't have many immigrants.

    I barely see saw any muslim arabs (or whatever) in my lifetime, but there are hundreds of haitians and africans around everywhere where I live. the elites talk about them being enlightened highly educated, but they’re just sunglasses selling random guys

    this, of course, yet, very soon we’ll have more problems but then it will be to late

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Where I am, the Africans are mostly Angolans, and tend to be well-behaved; they don't face so strong a language barrier, which gives them an edge over the other groups. There is also quite a number of Haitians, thanks to our stupid, stupid, stupid interference in that country.

    I don't think we'll have too many problems (maybe I'm too optimistic?) as their numbers are small and not increasing fast (total Foreigner count makes up for less than 0.5% of the population, even Japan has more foreigners) and the natives here can get very intolerant very fast (see the recent expulsions of Venezuelans from two or three small towns in Roraima). Regardless, yes, we should be more careful.
  263. But Steve, The National Geographic told me that race is just a social construct. Scientists have proved it.

  264. @demontage2000
    Foreshadowing?

    "Mark Watson is a decidedly out-of-the-ordinary guy... half white and half... black."

    http://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/AtNhY1p6FXea20xbAFDNDxEJcrX.jpg

    Soul Man (1986).

    The punchline is that C. Thomas Howell ended up marrying Rae Dawn Chong who if they had children would’ve been Asian-White-Black. The ramifications are stupefying.

  265. @Anon7
    OT: Should horrific stories like the one about a maniac who stabbed refugee toddlers at a birthday party in Boise be translated into Spanish and placed in newspapers south of the border?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/us/mass-stabbing-boise-idaho.amp.html

    There’s no safety in America! Stay home!

    White guy = Hate Crime. Black guy = systemic racism.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    White guy = Hate Crime. Black guy = systemic racism.
     
    More like

    Black guy = dog bites man

    White guy = man bites dog
  266. Is Neymar black?

    I have said this before, but it is always ignored, but use of the word “black” to designate anyone who has African, or possibly native Pacific islander genetic origins is a relatively modern convention of the English language that does not apply in Spanish, and almost certainly not in Portuguese either, which is Neymar’s original language. So when he says he is not “black”, there is no real contradiction.

    In Spanish mixed race people are more likely to describe themselves, or their skin color, as moreno/morena (=brown), although there are a variety of words and expressions in various Spanish-speaking countries to designate a range of skin colors.

    This is quite different from the way the word “black” is used in English, as, for example, in English if one of two sisters who have the same parents is “black”, then the other sister must also be black. In Spanish, it is quite possible for full siblings to have different skin color designations, for example one sister might be morena and another rubia (blondie) as the term relates to appearance, not heritage.

    So Neymar is not black, except in English, in which case he is obviously “black”.

  267. anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "Slavery in the US wasn’t any level of the Inferno."

    It was physically brutal and psychologically devastating. Listen, why don't you sell yourself into slavery, I hear the conditions are "materially better" than your life right now.

    "Being deprived of freedom is not nice and wrong, but materially their living standards were quite good and probably better than European peasants of the time."

    Just enough to eat and drink, with a roof over one's head...so long as they did the master's bidding ain't anywhere near better than the freedom enjoyed and goods owned by European peasants.

    It was physically brutal and psychologically devastating. Listen, why don’t you sell yourself into slavery, I hear the conditions are “materially better” than your life right now.

    A lot of people join the military for a better life.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "A lot of people join the military for a better life."

    Key word, "join". Slavery is about the use of force and violence and the taking away of one's personal freedom.

    Try again.
  268. @DFH

    It was physically brutal and psychologically devastating.
     

    Just enough to eat and drink, with a roof over one’s head…so long as they did the master’s bidding ain’t anywhere near better than the freedom enjoyed and goods owned by European peasants.
     
    But the evidence shows this wasn't the case for most slaves, whatever your middle school teacher taught you. Did you bother to read the link?

    “But the evidence shows this wasn’t the case for most slaves, whatever your middle school teacher taught you. Did you bother to read the link?”

    One must dig deeper into this “evidence”. Regarding diet, your source shows how slave diets were “quantitatively satisfactory, not qualitatively sufficient”. The decided poor quality and lack of consistent nutrients of food led slaves to physical issues later on in life, as well as being chronically ill. Malnutrition and overwork were also commonplace, which the author notes played a major role in the stature of young children. As far as height is concerned, your source stated “comparisons involving Asians versus Europeans and Africans [regarding height] should be made cautiously because of the possible role of genetic factors. This point and references to the literature are discussed in Richard H. Steckel, “Birth Weights and Infant Mortality Among American Slaves,” Explorations in Economic History, 23 (Apr. 1986), fn. 2.”

    Moreover, that same source states “There is independent evidence, however, that the childhood diet was poor. Slaveowners frequently discussed the care and feeding of slaves among themselves and within southern agricultural journals. It is clear that deliberations focused on working slaves. One planter stated that “a negro deprived of a meat diet is not able to endure the labor that those can perform who are liberally supplied with it.” Others usually stated allowances of meat, corn, and other foods in terms of working or laboring hands. If children were mentioned at all, they usually received ‘proportionally less’.”

    [MORE]

    Regarding literacy rates, it was illegal in the South for slaves to be taught by white people how to read and write. The 1870 census data from your source—20% of blacks were literate—comes from individuals almost exclusively born and raised in the North, i.e. free blacks, where there was not this type of prohibition. Most southern-born blacks were illiterate, and most blacks in 1870 were southern born. Slave owners had believed that literate slaves would significantly be more prone to foment rebellion.

    Regarding hours and difficulty of work, the author from the source acknowledges that one of the reasons for fewer hours toiling in the fields compared to free white farmers is that the “gang system enabled masters to drive slaves at a more intensive pace per hour…in other words, slaves worked harder, not longer”. Moreover, southern slave laws built in time for slaves to labor less on weekends not due to the kindness of their masters, but to reduce the likelihood that working slaves to death would lead to outright revolt. Moreover, there was significant innovation in cotton agriculture that may have had direct and indirect effects on the amount of harvest ready cotton, which would have reduced the working hours of slaves in the fields, but not in other areas of the plantation, where work was mandatory, whether it cutting down trees, making repairs, and As far as the results of the Logan experiment is concerned, there are not comparable situations, given the fact that his children were free and not subject to harsh discipline and a substandard diet.

    Regarding corporal punishment, it is other than surprising not to have widespread records of this phenomenon in the South, as slaves were considered property and masters could control their property as they saw fit. Of course, there were laws that were to protect slaves from egregious and outrageous physical harm, but in those cases where the master was put on trial, only in rare instances he would be found guilty, and even then he would pay a fine rather than be subject to mandatory prison time.

    • Replies: @DFH

    your source stated “comparisons involving Asians versus Europeans and Africans [regarding height] should be made cautiously because of the possible role of genetic factors.
     
    But today, when blacks aren't malnourished, blacks and whites have the same heights.

    Moreover, that same source states “There is independent evidence, however, that the childhood diet was poor.
     
    It can't have been that poor if they ended up taller than whites as adults

    If children were mentioned at all, they usually received ‘proportionally less’.”
     
    Since children are smaller, that makes sense

    Regarding literacy rates, it was illegal in the South for slaves to be taught by white people how to read and write.
     
    This law was often broken and there is plenty of evidence of slaves writing.

    The 1870 census data from your source—20% of blacks were literate—comes from individuals almost exclusively born and raised in the North, i.e. free blacks,
     
    Why do you say this?

    Regarding hours and difficulty of work, the author from the source acknowledges that one of the reasons for fewer hours toiling in the fields compared to free white farmers is that the “gang system enabled masters to drive slaves at a more intensive pace per hour…in other words, slaves worked harder, not longer”.
     
    This is shown not to be the case though, by the fact that they were less productive than free labour.

    Regarding corporal punishment, it is other than surprising not to have widespread records of this phenomenon in the South, as slaves were considered property and masters could control their property as they saw fit.

     

    The first part doesn't follow from the second, other aspects of life in the South, including involving slaves, are well recorded.
  269. @Buck Turgidson
    That is how a man with a spine and reproductive parts represents and defends his nation and smashes a communist harpy. Most western politicians would whimper and crawl under their desk and let that nasty person give them a good thumping. Steve King would not stand for it but he is a rare breed of cat.

    When did Steve King say about supporting blowing up ships with refugees?

  270. @Corvinus
    "You should let in more refugees because Jesus said to be compassionate in the Bible somewhere".

    Let's stick to the point here. Jesus said to be compassionate to ALL people. He would be decidedly opposed to a ship filled with refugees being blown up to bits.

    "No, I'm not a Christian and I have nothing but contempt for your backward religious beliefs".

    They are not "backward", they are what the Alt Right refers to as the crux of Western Civilization. Didn't you get the memo?

    "So year, this argument wouldn't work on me".

    It would look like any argument that focuses on being humane and showing one's humanity would fall to the wayside given your utter contempt for human life. Now more than ever, you need Him.

    Now, on another matter, you offered up a quotation without commentary. So why don’t you offer what you believe this passage exactly refers to?

    Yes, please continue to appeal to a religion you despise, you aren’t clownish enough already.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Yes, please continue to appeal to a religion you despise..."

    That would be the hate in your heart talking again. You really need to listen to your wife and attend Sunday services.
  271. @Whiskey
    A large part of American and European attitudes is that Black people went from untermenschen though amusing/tolerable ones as comic relief (look at any 1930's Three Stooges short with Black people in it) or in Europe as noble savages to Ubermenschen destined to rule boring old White guys because of the greater Extraversion of African peoples on average.

    Sure the odd Ta-Nehi Coates can be a morose introvert like say your Average Finn, but on average Black people are far more extraverted, and that creates the view among much higher White introverts that hey, these guys must be the master race because they sure talk a lot and very confident.

    This HBD set of traits alone accounts for the dominance of Black people in America and European societies, Canada, etc. Particularly since women dominate more and more Western society through female-driven consumerism, female values such as extraversion in men become more and more important, and actually accomplishing anything becomes irrelevant. For women and a female-driven society it is all about status and social positioning and dominance, not any real tangible results.

    Brazil is a much more violent society top to bottom so actual real accomplishment means something -- the money and power to move into a gated community guarded by men with rifles.

    Well said.

    However one would not want to live in Brazil. Transaction costs.

    (e.