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A graph from my 1997 NR article: “Is Love Colorblind?”

From the San Francisco Chronicle, 20 years after my “Is Love Colorblind?” article in National Review:

As intermarriage spreads, fault lines are exposed
By Jill Tucker May 18, 2017 Updated: May 19, 2017 1:03pm

The growth of interracial marriage in the 50 years since the Supreme Court legalized it across the nation has been steady, but stark disparities remain that influence who is getting hitched and who supports the nuptials, according to a major study released Thursday. …

Among the most striking findings was that black men are twice as likely to intermarry as black women — a gender split that reversed for Asian and Pacific Islander Americans and, to researchers, underscores the grip of deeply rooted societal stereotypes.

The comprehensive study was released by the Pew Research Center to mark a half-century since the nation’s high court, in Loving vs. Virginia, invalidated antimiscegenation laws that had remained in more than a dozen states. … Overall, roughly 17 percent of people who were in their first year of marriage in 2015 had crossed racial or ethnic lines, up from 3 percent in 1967.

But much of that was driven by demographic change: America was basically a black and white country in 1967 (as well as, perhaps, administrative changes: Hispanics and South Asians were officially white until later).

It’s worth noting that the big growth in propensity toward intermarriage happened a long time ago. A recent study estimated that the propensity toward interracial marriage among people under 35 was 72% as large as it is today by 1980, which was a long time ago.

Across the country, 10 percent of all married couples — about 11 million people — were wed to someone of a different race or ethnicity as of 2015, with the most common pairing a Hispanic husband and a white wife.

That hasn’t been common in the media, however, since I Love Lucy went off the air.

Both changes in social norms and raw demographics have contributed to the increase in intermarriages, with Asians, Pacific Islanders and Hispanics — the groups most likely to marry someone of another race or ethnicity — making up a greater part of the U.S. population in recent decades, according to the report.

Meanwhile, public opinion has shifted toward acceptance, with the most dramatic change seen in the number of non-blacks who say they would oppose a close relative marrying a black person. In 2016, 14 percent of whites, Hispanics and Asian Americans polled said they would oppose such a marriage, down from 63 percent in 1990.

Rates of intermarriage vary in many ways — by race, age, gender, geography, political affiliation and education level. And the differences can be pronounced.

Among newlyweds, for example, 24 percent of African American men are marrying someone of a different race or ethnicity, compared with 12 percent of black women. While the overall intermarriage rates have increased for blacks of each gender, the gap between genders is “long-standing,” the Pew researchers said.

This gender disparity is reversed for Asian and Pacific Islanders, with 21 percent of recently married men in mixed unions, compared with 36 percent of women.

The gender gap tends to be bigger among Asian immigrants than among Asians born in this country.

Why such differences exist is not entirely understood.

“There’s no clear answer in my view,” said Jennifer Lee, a sociology professor at UC Irvine and an expert in immigration and race. “What I suspect is happening are Western ideals about what feminity [sic] is and what masculinity is.”

It’s funny how Asians and blacks have no agency. Only white people matter to sociologists.

She noted that not all intermarriages are viewed equally — and never have been.

“We’re more likely to view Asian and Hispanic and white as intercultural marriages — they see themselves crossing a cultural barrier more so than a racial barrier,” she said. But a marriage between a black person and a white person crosses a racial color line, “a much more difficult line to cross.”

Notably, a recent Pew survey found that African Americans were more likely than whites or Hispanics to say that interracial marriage was generally a bad thing for society, with 18 percent expressing that view.

It can be seen as “leaving” the community, said Ericka Dennis of Foster City, who is black and has been married for 20 years to her husband, Mike, who is white.

 
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  2. johnny789 says:

    I gotta believe that interpolitical marriages are headed on the downward slope the way things are going these days which may or may not impact the number of interracial marriages in the future.

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  3. rw95 says:

    This can only lead to intelligent comments…

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    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    I can't decide if you're an angry little oriental or an angry little indian.
    , @anonymous
    Q.E.D.
    , @grapesoda
    Steve, as usual, trying to stir up the hornets nest :)
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  4. syonredux says:

    “We’re more likely to view Asian and Hispanic and white as intercultural marriages — they see themselves crossing a cultural barrier more so than a racial barrier,” she said. But a marriage between a black person and a white person crosses a racial color line, “a much more difficult line to cross.”

    Cf how porn uses the term “interracial.” It’s rarely used for White-Asian and Anglo-Hispanic couples. Instead, it’s chiefly reserved for sexual relations involving Blacks and another race.

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    • Replies: @HBD Guy
    I have heard that white women in porn demand more money when having sex with black men compared to having sex with white men.
    , @Jefferson
    "Cf how porn uses the term “interracial.” It’s rarely used for White-Asian and Anglo-Hispanic couples. Instead, it’s chiefly reserved for sexual relations involving Blacks and another race."

    You are using porn as a racial classifier? For example Vanessa Del Rio's sex scenes with White guys were never officially classified as interracial either, but it doesn't make Vanessa Del Rio a White woman. I doubt very much Vanessa Del Rio is of genetically 100 percent pure unmixed White ancestry.

    , @bored identity
    The Pornstein Brothers Industry is heavily focused on a chocolate factory men porking nubile blondes.

    In the past, Smart Glasses Mandingo Syndrom was reserved mostly for Dunhamlike looking, and therefore predictably rebeling- prone, creatures:

    https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/barack-sr-dunham.jpg

    Heartiste's ominous chronicles on this topic are indicative of Weimerica's today.
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  5. syonredux says:

    Across the country, 10 percent of all married couples — about 11 million people — were wed to someone of a different race or ethnicity as of 2015, with the most common pairing a Hispanic husband and a white wife.

    And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White.

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    • Agree: prole
    • Replies: @prole
    Is Ted Cruz counted in these stats...despite being a Canadian with 4 European grandparents he married outside his ethnic group...and his children will most likely marry whites, will they be counted as inter-ethnic ?
    , @Jefferson
    "And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White."

    I doubt that very much. The Conquistador population in The U.S is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.

    Most Mexican/White couples I see the Mexican partner looks stereotypically what a Mexican is suppose to look like, meaning can not pass for a Gringo phenotype wise.
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  6. HBD Guy says:
    @syonredux

    “We’re more likely to view Asian and Hispanic and white as intercultural marriages — they see themselves crossing a cultural barrier more so than a racial barrier,” she said. But a marriage between a black person and a white person crosses a racial color line, “a much more difficult line to cross.”
     
    Cf how porn uses the term "interracial." It's rarely used for White-Asian and Anglo-Hispanic couples. Instead, it's chiefly reserved for sexual relations involving Blacks and another race.

    I have heard that white women in porn demand more money when having sex with black men compared to having sex with white men.

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  7. …with the most common pairing a Hispanic husband and a white wife.

    That hasn’t been common in the media, however, since I Love Lucy went off the air.

    They could always retcon Chico as a catamite.

    They’re doing something similar to Dynasty, and they’ve already transitioned Ghostbusters.

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  8. “What I suspect is happening are Western ideals about what feminity [sic] is and what masculinity is.”

    It’s funny how Asians and blacks have no agency. Only white people matter to sociologists.

    No, it’s a cross ethnicity, culture wide thing. The author isn’t just noting white preferences and it’s definitely not just a white preference phenomenon. I’ve heard black women remark that Asian women are so cute and feminine while Asian men are neither cute nor masculine. Asian men are not considered as romantic prospects while the women are seen as desirable.

    I also know black women resent interracial dating as they perceive non-black women as “stealing” the good black men while they themselves are generally much less desirable + successful. Of course, there are many beautiful black women, that are highly desired by men of all races, but the average black woman is not. And some black men hold black women in low regard.

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    • Replies: @üeljang
    "I’ve heard black women remark that Asian women are so cute and feminine while Asian men are neither cute nor masculine. Asian men are not considered as romantic prospects while the women are seen as desirable."

    I have never heard or seen a black woman make such a comment, neither in person nor online.

    Most Asian women are ugly or plain and androgynous-looking. However, they tend to be more intelligent, complaisant, and sane than white women.

    I am really sick of people's confounding physical attractiveness with mental/emotional attractiveness in this sort of discussion.
    , @anon
    Many if not most of the immigrant or second generation minority women marries outside of their ethnicity with whites mostly for money and safety. It's not because they are the dream result of all characteristics they would love to have in a man. Once they are married they act to their stereotypes according to what their husbands are made of. If they are wimps, get ready to that gentle woman become hell.
    .
    It's men who seeks characteristics in woman more than social position. And although you can find some rules in average (meek asian woman, workaholic hispanic woman, etc). It seems to work better among their own ethnicity and varies depending on the country they are and persons they live with. And let us notice once again, these "good" foreign characteristics do not seem to appear on America.
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    Western white man (be it american or european) marries asian woman expecting some servile wife ready to agree with everything he says, even if he lets her freely express her opinion. But then he finds out he's incapable to make her wife show any respect for him because he himself is too mellow and stuck up in his beliefs that he's gonna be a good 'conservative' family man. The asian woman knows that and have to take the reins most of the time, wearing the pants in the house. Their offspring becomes a mix of millenial american/european culture struggling with their maternal authority and abhorring the paternal 'inherited evilness' (and spineless attitude). Asian man are more serious and composed, they know how to show their authority to their wives. That's why they comply with them.
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    The same for black woman who are much more authoritarian and much more vocal in their complaints. Even for a nonsense and affirmative white, marrying with a black woman is gonna bring much problems. Once married, they find the need to keep their man home and following the basic family rules (working, taking care of children). They don't tolerate unruly or soft men, especially ones who try to impose themselves with no success. Black men, as much as they complain, are better off to become better persons behaving nicely under their black wives, since they are less into taking responsibility proactively for themselves (for most of them).
    .
    Latino woman are similar to anglo-american/european woman in true mild behavior. But their culture and society also demands a serious hold on their family sometimes. And latino woman are more likely to take advantage to every opportunity to better their economic and social status than whites at any means. That's why even latino woman gang up against whites in the 'evil whitey' narrative.
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    Woman of a certain ethnicity are better off with men with the same ethnicity and of the same country preferably.
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  9. Sunbeam says:

    If Polynesian women want the man to be taller… I’m not sure where they are going to find that. From idle curiosity I’d like to see a stat for the average height of a Polynesian woman versus the average height of her non-Polynesian spouse.

    And “24 percent of African American men are marrying someone of a different race or ethnicity, compared with 12 percent of black women. ”

    Is that gross numbers, or percentage of those who actually do get married?

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    Yes, those are definitely gross numbers!
    , @AnotherDad

    Is that gross numbers, or percentage of those who actually do get married?
     
    Actually get married. (The other alternative would be near impossible in the current environment and is much trickier to measure. But who is getting married right now is easy to measure.)
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  10. Overall, roughly 17 percent of people who were in their first year of marriage in 2015 had crossed racial or ethnic lines, up from 3 percent in 1967.

    I read the whole article this morning and was struck by how muddled the categories were and therefore the study’s conclusions.

    If we are actually including ethnicity in lines being crossed, are we including Polish/Italian marriages or Thai/Japanese? Or is ethnicity in there as a “thing” because Hispanic is not really a racial category but a linguistic and ethnic one?

    There’s also some hand-wringing over “disparities”, as if all cross-racial/ethnic marriages should ideally be the same percentage across the board.

    And given the high percentage of bi-racial children being born outside of marriage in certain communities, where does that figure in?

    I gather that the journalists didn’t want to complicate things too much.

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    Good points...my grandparents were in an inter-ethnic marriage...Grandmother was German and Lutheran she married an Irish Catholic ..the Catholic church would not allow them to have the wedding in the church, they were married by a priest in the Church basement, Grandmom had to promise to raise her kids as Catholics. Her parents were not thrilled having an Irish Catholic son-in-law in 1940.

    Are Jew -gentile marriages counted as inter-ethnic in these stats ? How about Hindu-Chinese , which could be described as asian-Asian ?

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  11. I think the biggest racial divide in this country is not between whites and non-whites, but between blacks and non-blacks.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    " think the biggest racial divide in this country is not between whites and non-whites, but between blacks and non-blacks."

    The biggest racial divide in this country is between Whites and Nonwhites, not Blacks and Nonblacks.

    Asian and Hispanic voting patterns in presidential elections is closer to that of African Americans than it is to Whites.
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  12. prole says:
    @syonredux

    Across the country, 10 percent of all married couples — about 11 million people — were wed to someone of a different race or ethnicity as of 2015, with the most common pairing a Hispanic husband and a white wife.
     
    And, based on what I've seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White.

    Is Ted Cruz counted in these stats…despite being a Canadian with 4 European grandparents he married outside his ethnic group…and his children will most likely marry whites, will they be counted as inter-ethnic ?

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Is Ted Cruz counted in these stats…"

    Ted Cruz is not Hispanic. I don't know any Hispanic who talks like Ned Flanders. He is culturally 100% WASP. He is culturally WASPier than the vast majority of White New Yorkers.
    , @syonredux

    Is Ted Cruz counted in these stats…despite being a Canadian with 4 European grandparents he married outside his ethnic group
     
    I'm pretty sure that they count Ted's marriage as inter-ethnic

    …and his children will most likely marry whites, will they be counted as inter-ethnic ?
     
    Good question. Dunno.
    , @RonaldB
    Heidi Cruz looks pretty white to me, and her bio seems pretty typically white. What are you talking about? Or, are you saying Cruz is Hispanic, despite having a non-Hispanic mother?
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  13. The big jump in interracial marriage in the UK also occurred in the 70s and 80s. Today it’s noticeable that lots of whites in the UK are marrying mixed race people but there seems be a slowdown in the percentage of white people marrying those of a completely different race.

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    I noticed a big difference in London between 1980 and 1987.
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  14. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux

    Across the country, 10 percent of all married couples — about 11 million people — were wed to someone of a different race or ethnicity as of 2015, with the most common pairing a Hispanic husband and a white wife.
     
    And, based on what I've seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White.

    “And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White.”

    I doubt that very much. The Conquistador population in The U.S is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.

    Most Mexican/White couples I see the Mexican partner looks stereotypically what a Mexican is suppose to look like, meaning can not pass for a Gringo phenotype wise.

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    “And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White.”

    I doubt that very much. The Conquistador population in The U.S is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.
     
    I'm an academic, and I know quite a few couples where one partner is a White South American. For example, I know a White/mostly White (if he has any Amerind ancestry, it's well below 25%) Chilean-American (his parents fled after the fall of the Pinochet regime in '73) lit prof who specializes in the Great Depression (he did his dissertation on James M Cain, Hammett, and Raymond Chandler)who is married to a girl who is half-German, half-Irish.

    Most Mexican/White couples I see the Mexican partner looks stereotypically what a Mexican is suppose to look like, meaning can not pass for a Gringo phenotype wise.
     
    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.
    , @E. Rekshun
    The Conquistador population in The U.S. is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.

    Over 25 years ago, I was briefly engaged to such a Cuban woman. At age 3, she and her parents came to S. FL fleeing Castro in the mid-60s w/ just the clothes on their backs. The parents never learned English and scratched out a better than working class life in Little Havanah, while the daughter went on to graduate from a state university and earn over six figures. She and her parents were lighter complected than me. Her grandparents were from France and Spain. My great-grandparents, from France and Ireland, arrived in the U.S. sixty-five years before she did.

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  15. https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    This subreddit has to be seen to be believed. It’s filled with hapas (half white half Asians) who HATE white male asian female couples. The hapa males want to hookup with Asian females but those evil white men keep taking them, so they blame racism. They call Asian females “white worshippers” and white men just want Asian females because they are submissive, or something.

    The reality is that Asian men and hapas are short and white men are taller. But they won’t accept this, so it’s racism to blame.

    They also worship AMWF couples as some sort of divine entity that overcomes racism.

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    Its a tragic subreddit.

    I have thought about haunting there but I think they will just make me lose more faith in humanity.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    Didn't read it, but in Japan halfs are considered very attractive and are featured on TV and in commercials. If you're hapa and want to marry Asian, you should move to Asia. If you hit the gym, you're golden.
    , @Altai
    Don't forget

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/short/

    The overlap is substantial. I have sympathy for them, these guys are just the extreme manifestation of a broader situation, the internet just allows them to congregate together. /r/AsianMasculinity makes the more extreme ends of the (Implicitly white) 'manosphere' seem cool and collected and committed to dealing with their problems in a productive way.

    Putting populations of different average genetic ceilings for height together will always end in a situation like this. I find gen y/z Asian Americans do have a less high pitched voice than most white Americans, (I seriously think something must be in the water, what's going on?!) so they've got that going for them.

    Memes is kinda funny tho.
    http://i.imgur.com/YwS7k.jpg

    , @Kaz
    That's a subreddit about that specific neurosis, you'll find the same thing for white men, black men, etc.. on there. Reddit has a whining group for everyone.

    I wouldn't start to think it's some widespread phenomena because a small group is really loud about it in their space.
    , @Dale Gribble
    For Asian Husband/Hu-white Wife, see Francia Fukuyama and ux. Wife if from my hometown, from a very intellectual family. Mom was avid reader of pre-purge NR. Girl was cute but no cheerleader
    , @mukat
    Consider hapa siblings (East Asian - white mix):

    Hapa girls can grow up to date or marry billionaire whites (Twitter's Williams, Google's Brin twice, Uber's Kalanick). Probably the most eligible bachelorettes in the country.

    Hapa boys have all the problems in finding a date that Asian-American boys do.

    A tough sibling dynamic between hapa brothers and sisters.
    , @(((Owen)))
    So sad.

    Life would be so easy for half-Asian men if they'd just move back to their homelands. Fluent native English and an American education go very far in Asia and the whole universe of same-ethnicity Asian girls is open to them, not just the adventuresses that go for pure white men.

    But their single-minded obsession that the beauty of the white Aryan woman must not perish from their circle of opportunities ruins them for their half-co-ethnics.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    One of these Hapa bloggers made the observation that the sons of the much rarer AMWF matchups tend to be much more confident and assertive than the sons of WMAF matchups. He claims that a disproportionate number of the higher profile Eurasian males, such as Keanu Reeves, Dean Cain, and Apollo Ohno, get their Asian ancestry entirely through their father's side. From a genetic standpoint, it kind of makes sense. The type of Asian male who is able to attract the attention of white women is usually going to be the cream of the crop in terms of looks, assertiveness, and confidence, and those traits will likely be passed on to his sons. Whereas the type of White man who ends up with an Asian woman is usually the type that has limited success with women of his own race, i.e. is likely to be bottom of the barrel in terms of those aforementioned traits. His male progeny are thus far more likely to be Elliot Rodger types. Also speaking truth to this is the disproportionate number of prominent WN types who are married to Asian women.
    , @Stan Adams
    The poster child for sexually-frustrated hapas is (or was) Elliot Rodger:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KP62TE1prs

    He idolized white women.

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  16. donut says:

    Do any of you remember Donald’s brief foray into music . He was a fake singer long before he became a fake president .

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    Dough Nuts:

    Pleas tell us why D. T. is a fake President. Explain it to us.
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  17. Jefferson says:
    @Annie Mason
    I think the biggest racial divide in this country is not between whites and non-whites, but between blacks and non-blacks.

    ” think the biggest racial divide in this country is not between whites and non-whites, but between blacks and non-blacks.”

    The biggest racial divide in this country is between Whites and Nonwhites, not Blacks and Nonblacks.

    Asian and Hispanic voting patterns in presidential elections is closer to that of African Americans than it is to Whites.

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    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    It depends what you mean.

    In politics, it's white/non-white, but if you have a social event, it's black/non-black.
    , @anon
    Yes but how many Chinese girls are marrying a black guy from the hood? Most Chinese families would disown any female member who did so.
    , @NOTA
    In crime and income and IQ and educational terms, Asians are whiter than whites, and hispanics are somewhere halfway between blacks and whites.
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  18. BenKenobi says:

    I think it’s remarkable that after ~70 years of cradle-to-grave pro-miscegenation propaganda from all levels of government and media the number of mixed marriages hovers around 10%.

    That’s a very good sign.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I think it’s remarkable that after ~70 years of cradle-to-grave pro-miscegenation propaganda from all levels of government and media the number of mixed marriages hovers around 10%.

    That’s a very good sign."

    Residential racial segregation also explains why interracial dating and interracial marriage has a glass ceiling that will never go beyond a certain percentage.

    In The San Gabriel Valley for example you rarely see Asian women with White men because Asians are the majority racial group there, so Asian women have plenty of other Asian men to choose from in the dating pool.
    , @Kylie
    Is the percentage of mixed race children born is the U.S. higher than 10?
    , @Kaz
    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.

    Get a grip.
    , @Truth
    The rate of Unz.com columnists is about %40.
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  19. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux

    “We’re more likely to view Asian and Hispanic and white as intercultural marriages — they see themselves crossing a cultural barrier more so than a racial barrier,” she said. But a marriage between a black person and a white person crosses a racial color line, “a much more difficult line to cross.”
     
    Cf how porn uses the term "interracial." It's rarely used for White-Asian and Anglo-Hispanic couples. Instead, it's chiefly reserved for sexual relations involving Blacks and another race.

    “Cf how porn uses the term “interracial.” It’s rarely used for White-Asian and Anglo-Hispanic couples. Instead, it’s chiefly reserved for sexual relations involving Blacks and another race.”

    You are using porn as a racial classifier? For example Vanessa Del Rio’s sex scenes with White guys were never officially classified as interracial either, but it doesn’t make Vanessa Del Rio a White woman. I doubt very much Vanessa Del Rio is of genetically 100 percent pure unmixed White ancestry.

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  20. @unpc downunder
    The big jump in interracial marriage in the UK also occurred in the 70s and 80s. Today it's noticeable that lots of whites in the UK are marrying mixed race people but there seems be a slowdown in the percentage of white people marrying those of a completely different race.

    I noticed a big difference in London between 1980 and 1987.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Watch any UK TV for an appreciable time these days, and you might believe it is de rigueur, perhaps mandatory for at least part of every family.
    , @Anonymous
    The U.K. doesn't enjoy a preponderance of American black men, as we do. American blacks are looked upon with sharp disdain in most of Western Europe. I suppose part of the problem is that the only American blacks who can afford a vacation there are going to tend to be nuevo riche rap artists and their friends, as well as the blacks who travel in the semi-pro basketball circuit there.
    They aren't exactly Sidney Portier style blacks ala "To Sir, With Love." Mostly semi-literate ghetto shitheels, who even the English blacks tend to despise. I noticed a bit of white girl negrophelia in Holland, of all places. They have white girls there who follow players in the semi-pro basketball circuit about Europe, and even back to the United States, like Susan Sarandon in "Bull Durham."
    I knew one Dutch girl who was doing that. Her black boyfriend was 6'6", 249 lbs. A real illiterate hoodrat. If he wasn't playing basketball, he'd be washing cars. He completely dominated her, and would even beat the hell out of her on occasion. She didn't care. She followed him everywhere like a dog. Spent all her money trying to keep up with him. She had girlfriends who did the same thing. They ran in a little crew. Sad.
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  21. @Sunbeam
    If Polynesian women want the man to be taller... I'm not sure where they are going to find that. From idle curiosity I'd like to see a stat for the average height of a Polynesian woman versus the average height of her non-Polynesian spouse.

    And "24 percent of African American men are marrying someone of a different race or ethnicity, compared with 12 percent of black women. "

    Is that gross numbers, or percentage of those who actually do get married?

    Yes, those are definitely gross numbers!

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  22. @Jefferson
    " think the biggest racial divide in this country is not between whites and non-whites, but between blacks and non-blacks."

    The biggest racial divide in this country is between Whites and Nonwhites, not Blacks and Nonblacks.

    Asian and Hispanic voting patterns in presidential elections is closer to that of African Americans than it is to Whites.

    It depends what you mean.

    In politics, it’s white/non-white, but if you have a social event, it’s black/non-black.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "It depends what you mean.

    In politics, it’s white/non-white, but if you have a social event, it’s black/non-black."

    Even in social events it's clearly Nonwhites vs Whites. Have you ever been to a college campus? It's always White people vs everybody else (Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, Pacific Islanders, African Americans, Native Americans, Gays, Trannies, Lesbians, etc)

    What fantasy world do you live in where it's African Americans vs everybody else? That's not reality.

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  23. @God Emperor Putin
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    This subreddit has to be seen to be believed. It's filled with hapas (half white half Asians) who HATE white male asian female couples. The hapa males want to hookup with Asian females but those evil white men keep taking them, so they blame racism. They call Asian females "white worshippers" and white men just want Asian females because they are submissive, or something.

    The reality is that Asian men and hapas are short and white men are taller. But they won't accept this, so it's racism to blame.

    They also worship AMWF couples as some sort of divine entity that overcomes racism.

    Its a tragic subreddit.

    I have thought about haunting there but I think they will just make me lose more faith in humanity.

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  24. @God Emperor Putin
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    This subreddit has to be seen to be believed. It's filled with hapas (half white half Asians) who HATE white male asian female couples. The hapa males want to hookup with Asian females but those evil white men keep taking them, so they blame racism. They call Asian females "white worshippers" and white men just want Asian females because they are submissive, or something.

    The reality is that Asian men and hapas are short and white men are taller. But they won't accept this, so it's racism to blame.

    They also worship AMWF couples as some sort of divine entity that overcomes racism.

    Didn’t read it, but in Japan halfs are considered very attractive and are featured on TV and in commercials. If you’re hapa and want to marry Asian, you should move to Asia. If you hit the gym, you’re golden.

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    It is only the female haafu who are considered to be especially attractive and are featured with disproportionately high frequency in Japanese media.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I bet these NEETs will fit in with the others there, too.
    , @anonymous
    The squat toilet thing … I could never get past that.
    , @NOTA
    I imagine moving to Asia is the best way to marry an Asian for pretty much everyone.
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  25. Jefferson says:
    @BenKenobi
    I think it's remarkable that after ~70 years of cradle-to-grave pro-miscegenation propaganda from all levels of government and media the number of mixed marriages hovers around 10%.

    That's a very good sign.

    “I think it’s remarkable that after ~70 years of cradle-to-grave pro-miscegenation propaganda from all levels of government and media the number of mixed marriages hovers around 10%.

    That’s a very good sign.”

    Residential racial segregation also explains why interracial dating and interracial marriage has a glass ceiling that will never go beyond a certain percentage.

    In The San Gabriel Valley for example you rarely see Asian women with White men because Asians are the majority racial group there, so Asian women have plenty of other Asian men to choose from in the dating pool.

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    Right. That's one reason so many Asians moved to the San Gabriel Valley was so that their sons could meet Asian girls. I grew up with an Asian family across the street in the San Fernando Valley, but there aren't all that many more East Asians in the SFV today because they decided to congregate in the SGV.
    , @guest
    Segregation is a huge factor. Plenty of sexless white beta males would settle for black females, even though they're at rock bottom in preference. But where do they meet? The races live in separate worlds, mostly. Main set-up/pick-up avenues, from circles or friends to community events to bars and clubs, just don't feature white men and black women intermingling.

    Once I worked with a couple of black ladies (at a mostly Hispanic, blue-collar job while I was in college), and lady A said of lady B, "You know, she's looking for a white boyfriend." I wasn't accustomed to having girls bandied about in that fashion (not since junior high, at least). But they're open, is the point, and I wouldn't have known had I not happened to work near a couple of them. (In a place where I was routinely called "gringo.")

    Now, black men are different. They're men, and they prize white women, so they'll hunt them down. Segregation isn't as large an obstacle. Plus, and I don't want to overstate their attraction to white women as people common do, but there is something drawing white women to black men that's utterly missing between white men and black women. It's the tall, dark stranger phenomenon.

    Still, they mostly pull lower class white girls (and Kardashians). White guys could get higher class black girls, but aren't motivated to hunt them down.

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  26. Jefferson says:
    @prole
    Is Ted Cruz counted in these stats...despite being a Canadian with 4 European grandparents he married outside his ethnic group...and his children will most likely marry whites, will they be counted as inter-ethnic ?

    “Is Ted Cruz counted in these stats…”

    Ted Cruz is not Hispanic. I don’t know any Hispanic who talks like Ned Flanders. He is culturally 100% WASP. He is culturally WASPier than the vast majority of White New Yorkers.

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  27. @Jefferson
    "I think it’s remarkable that after ~70 years of cradle-to-grave pro-miscegenation propaganda from all levels of government and media the number of mixed marriages hovers around 10%.

    That’s a very good sign."

    Residential racial segregation also explains why interracial dating and interracial marriage has a glass ceiling that will never go beyond a certain percentage.

    In The San Gabriel Valley for example you rarely see Asian women with White men because Asians are the majority racial group there, so Asian women have plenty of other Asian men to choose from in the dating pool.

    Right. That’s one reason so many Asians moved to the San Gabriel Valley was so that their sons could meet Asian girls. I grew up with an Asian family across the street in the San Fernando Valley, but there aren’t all that many more East Asians in the SFV today because they decided to congregate in the SGV.

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    "Right. That’s one reason so many Asians moved to the San Gabriel Valley was so that their sons could meet Asian girls. I grew up with an Asian family across the street in the San Fernando Valley, but there aren’t all that many more East Asians in the SFV today because they decided to congregate in the SGV."

    I would choose The San Fernando Valley over The San Gabriel Valley anyday. The former has way more attractive women than the latter.
    , @Return of Shawn
    Steve,

    I am wondering if you have any recommendations as to where Northwestern-European descended people should live if they want to be around other Northwestern-Europeans descended people? If former Midwesterners reside there that would be a plus. I am specifically wondering about the Southern California region.

    Rancho Sante Fe in San Diego County or Del Mar, perhaps? I know it's big $$. Rancho Bernardo used to be pretty good from what I hear. Maybe it still is.
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  28. Any stats on GOP-Dem intermarriages, because those must be really strange?

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  29. Altai says:
    @God Emperor Putin
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    This subreddit has to be seen to be believed. It's filled with hapas (half white half Asians) who HATE white male asian female couples. The hapa males want to hookup with Asian females but those evil white men keep taking them, so they blame racism. They call Asian females "white worshippers" and white men just want Asian females because they are submissive, or something.

    The reality is that Asian men and hapas are short and white men are taller. But they won't accept this, so it's racism to blame.

    They also worship AMWF couples as some sort of divine entity that overcomes racism.

    Don’t forget

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/short/

    The overlap is substantial. I have sympathy for them, these guys are just the extreme manifestation of a broader situation, the internet just allows them to congregate together. /r/AsianMasculinity makes the more extreme ends of the (Implicitly white) ‘manosphere’ seem cool and collected and committed to dealing with their problems in a productive way.

    Putting populations of different average genetic ceilings for height together will always end in a situation like this. I find gen y/z Asian Americans do have a less high pitched voice than most white Americans, (I seriously think something must be in the water, what’s going on?!) so they’ve got that going for them.

    Memes is kinda funny tho.

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  30. üeljang says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    “What I suspect is happening are Western ideals about what feminity [sic] is and what masculinity is.”
     

    It’s funny how Asians and blacks have no agency. Only white people matter to sociologists.
     
    No, it's a cross ethnicity, culture wide thing. The author isn't just noting white preferences and it's definitely not just a white preference phenomenon. I've heard black women remark that Asian women are so cute and feminine while Asian men are neither cute nor masculine. Asian men are not considered as romantic prospects while the women are seen as desirable.

    I also know black women resent interracial dating as they perceive non-black women as "stealing" the good black men while they themselves are generally much less desirable + successful. Of course, there are many beautiful black women, that are highly desired by men of all races, but the average black woman is not. And some black men hold black women in low regard.

    “I’ve heard black women remark that Asian women are so cute and feminine while Asian men are neither cute nor masculine. Asian men are not considered as romantic prospects while the women are seen as desirable.”

    I have never heard or seen a black woman make such a comment, neither in person nor online.

    Most Asian women are ugly or plain and androgynous-looking. However, they tend to be more intelligent, complaisant, and sane than white women.

    I am really sick of people’s confounding physical attractiveness with mental/emotional attractiveness in this sort of discussion.

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  31. Kylie says:
    @BenKenobi
    I think it's remarkable that after ~70 years of cradle-to-grave pro-miscegenation propaganda from all levels of government and media the number of mixed marriages hovers around 10%.

    That's a very good sign.

    Is the percentage of mixed race children born is the U.S. higher than 10?

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    "Is the percentage of mixed race children born is the U.S. higher than 10?"

    The percentage of Mixed Race Americans is much higher when you also include Multigenerational Mixed Race Americans and not just 1st generation Mixed Race Americans like Barack Hussein Obama.
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  32. Asian men are turning up the charm offensive.

    Start watching at 4:20.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Tetesterone injections are a hell of a drug.
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  33. Jefferson says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Right. That's one reason so many Asians moved to the San Gabriel Valley was so that their sons could meet Asian girls. I grew up with an Asian family across the street in the San Fernando Valley, but there aren't all that many more East Asians in the SFV today because they decided to congregate in the SGV.

    “Right. That’s one reason so many Asians moved to the San Gabriel Valley was so that their sons could meet Asian girls. I grew up with an Asian family across the street in the San Fernando Valley, but there aren’t all that many more East Asians in the SFV today because they decided to congregate in the SGV.”

    I would choose The San Fernando Valley over The San Gabriel Valley anyday. The former has way more attractive women than the latter.

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    California has the best looking people in America, according to this survey.

    51% of Americans rated California as the "hottest" (most physically attractive) state in America.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-how-americans-feel-about-the-states-2013-8
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  34. üeljang says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Didn't read it, but in Japan halfs are considered very attractive and are featured on TV and in commercials. If you're hapa and want to marry Asian, you should move to Asia. If you hit the gym, you're golden.

    It is only the female haafu who are considered to be especially attractive and are featured with disproportionately high frequency in Japanese media.

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    Perhaps more female haafus are prominent, but the phenomenon is not exclusively female. The same thing occurs in Singapore.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Hmmm... that might be true. But in my gym, there are some guys who appear to be halfs and work out with their girlfriends, who appear to be... how shall we say... schwing!

    But you might be right.
    , @rw95
    "It is only the female haafu who are considered to be especially attractive and are featured with disproportionately high frequency in Japanese media."

    I constantly hear this from white supremacists, but considering Japan has an extremely low level of immigration (and therefore intermarriage), how can this be so?
    , @Anonymous
    This is from the same source of globalist propaganda spewed in the west. Haafu aren't something special in looks, especially when it's mostly white-japanese mix where asian genes are dominant over recessive white most of the time. "Exotic" looks are exaggerated in their "beauty".

    And native japanese don't take haafu promotion on media too kindly, there was a controversy with a half Hindi-half Japanese Miss Japan because her looks didn't represent Japan at all.
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  36. Jennifer Lee, a sociology professor at UC Irvine and an expert in immigration and race, says:

    “We’re more likely to view Asian and Hispanic and white as intercultural marriages — they see themselves crossing a cultural barrier more so than a racial barrier,” she said. But a marriage between a black person and a white person crosses a racial color line, “a much more difficult line to cross.”

    This is, of course, true. There is little to no racial prejudice against Asians and Hispanics in the United States. We shouldn’t have affirmative action for Asians and Hispanics, since they’re not victims of discrimination. Opponents of immigration of Asians and Hispanics are not motivated by racism but rather by principled concerns about incompatible cultures, excessive population growth and the economic impact of immigration on American workers.

    Is that what Professor Lee meant to say?

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "This is, of course, true. There is little to no racial prejudice against Asians and Hispanics ?"

    There is also no racial discrimination against African Americans in 2017 as they all turn out to be hate hoaxes.

    I have been riding public transportation since the 1990s and not once have I ever heard a White person say the N word on a subway train or a bus. But you know who does say the N word on public transportation? Other Black people. In Ebonics saying the N word is the equivalent of saying the word "the".

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  37. @JohnnyWalker123
    Asian men are turning up the charm offensive.

    Start watching at 4:20.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmgEEKZjmMU

    Tetesterone injections are a hell of a drug.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=injFSJRyxJw
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  38. @Chrisnonymous
    Didn't read it, but in Japan halfs are considered very attractive and are featured on TV and in commercials. If you're hapa and want to marry Asian, you should move to Asia. If you hit the gym, you're golden.

    I bet these NEETs will fit in with the others there, too.

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  39. Jefferson says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    It depends what you mean.

    In politics, it's white/non-white, but if you have a social event, it's black/non-black.

    “It depends what you mean.

    In politics, it’s white/non-white, but if you have a social event, it’s black/non-black.”

    Even in social events it’s clearly Nonwhites vs Whites. Have you ever been to a college campus? It’s always White people vs everybody else (Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, Pacific Islanders, African Americans, Native Americans, Gays, Trannies, Lesbians, etc)

    What fantasy world do you live in where it’s African Americans vs everybody else? That’s not reality.

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    When I was in university, we had lots of functions where whites and Asians mixed easily. We got each others' jokes, understood family anecdotes, etc. It was always the black kids who couldn't mix easily.

    Basically, it looks the same in churches I've been to too.
    , @Emilia
    Aren't most gays, trannies and lesbians White?
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  40. I’ve noticed something occurring among the older Boomer cohort, those that would be in their 60s or early 70s today. The Whites who are in a White-Hispanic mixed marriage are all excessively and cloyingly proud of the fact and will mention it, apropos of nothing, every single chance they get, even though their Hispanic spouse has been living in America all of their life and is culturally no different from anyone else in their age group. It seems the human propensity to virtue-signal knows no bounds. Once it became “cool” for Whites to LARP as non-Whites or to be married to non-Whites, they latched onto that feeling and effectively turned their back on 60 years of their life and heritage.

    Now the offspring of such marriages will be half Hispanic according to the current social categories, even though they are now culturally and phenotypically indistinguishable from a crowd of ordinary White folks. They’ve spent their entire lives never being the least bit socially separated from mainstream American culture or even needing to be self-conscious about their ethnicity at all, yet how do you think they identify themselves? As “Hispanic,” of course! And these ones, the 40-something half-breeds, are thoroughly obnoxious about it, too. They affect an attitude of extreme derision towards White America while at the same time ruthlessly pursuing the baubles of consumer culture that they take as characteristic of White America. To crown all, they even have a propensity to give their own (now thoroughly Anglicized) children Spanish names, with the suburbs around these parts sporting chestnut-haired Diegos and Tomases getting shiped off to soccer practice in mom’s Landrover.

    I feel morally tainted every time I try to project myself into the psychology of somebody like this. This despicable creature of pride and avarice, this arrogant obnoxious skank, this petty social climbing mountebank, this traitorous self-absorbed nitwit—this is what half a century of race-mixing, virtue-signalling, affirmative action, and political correctness has produced.

    This is why the Hispanic category needs to be dropped. It is the very definition of injustice and moral hazard to take a certain group of people who are in all meaningful respects identical to their fellows, deliberately imbue them with an artificial race-consciousness, and then lavish them with unearned social privileges and preferential treatment. Delusional, mostly White, spoiled brats LARPing as oppressed Hispanics has got to be the epitome of social insanity and racial cuckoldry.

    No doubt this dynamic figures largely into self-reported marriage statistics. What would the real percentage of interracial marriage be once you weeded out all the Rachel Dolezals and Elizabeth Warrens of the world? All this game playing has got to stop. Let people identify themselves and choose their mates in a market undistorted by governmental gibsmedats and political pokemon points and we’ll see how it really is.

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    This is so right on the money! And I lived the life you are talking describing to a tee.

    My parents are boomers like you described. My father is a a predominantly European descendant (but still technically a mestizo) Hispanic and my mother is White American women of mostly Irish, English, and German descent. We grew up in the upper middle class suburbs. My siblings and I look pure White, but because of our Hispanic surname, we are always encouraged to check the "Hispanic" box on school forms by school administrators and my father also told me that would help us get into college.

    Now, here is what is uncanny about what you posted. My father's brother who is a doctor married an Ango woman who is also a doctor and they gave their sons VERY ethnic Hispanic first names despite the fact that they grew up to have blonde or light brown hair, fair skin and greenish eyes. And they live in upper middle class suburbs.

    My brothers and sisters and I all finished college and are upper middle classes and all are in relationships with Anglos. Yet, admittedly, we often mention our Hispanic heritage and my dad even spoke Spanish in his speach at my brother's wedding to welcome my brother's (White Anglo) wife's family into our "Familia".

    Phenotypically, genetically, and culturally we are mostly White but still identify as Hispanic. I took a DNA test out of curiousity and came out 85 percent Eurpopean which means my father is like 70% European and he could pass as an Italian, Greek, Spaniard or Portuguese.

    Bottom line: I loved your post and am living proof that what you are saying is a reflection of reality (for better or worse).
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  41. Thea says:

    I thought Male-female marriages were just for cis-squares. So old school.

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  42. Kaz says:
    @God Emperor Putin
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    This subreddit has to be seen to be believed. It's filled with hapas (half white half Asians) who HATE white male asian female couples. The hapa males want to hookup with Asian females but those evil white men keep taking them, so they blame racism. They call Asian females "white worshippers" and white men just want Asian females because they are submissive, or something.

    The reality is that Asian men and hapas are short and white men are taller. But they won't accept this, so it's racism to blame.

    They also worship AMWF couples as some sort of divine entity that overcomes racism.

    That’s a subreddit about that specific neurosis, you’ll find the same thing for white men, black men, etc.. on there. Reddit has a whining group for everyone.

    I wouldn’t start to think it’s some widespread phenomena because a small group is really loud about it in their space.

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    Didn't stop to check if it's true, but they claim to be the most popular of all Asian identity subreddits out there.
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  43. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    That Filo slave lady didn’t have it so bad.

    https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/10154779155045787/

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  44. syonredux says:
    @prole
    Is Ted Cruz counted in these stats...despite being a Canadian with 4 European grandparents he married outside his ethnic group...and his children will most likely marry whites, will they be counted as inter-ethnic ?

    Is Ted Cruz counted in these stats…despite being a Canadian with 4 European grandparents he married outside his ethnic group

    I’m pretty sure that they count Ted’s marriage as inter-ethnic

    …and his children will most likely marry whites, will they be counted as inter-ethnic ?

    Good question. Dunno.

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  45. Kaz says:
    @BenKenobi
    I think it's remarkable that after ~70 years of cradle-to-grave pro-miscegenation propaganda from all levels of government and media the number of mixed marriages hovers around 10%.

    That's a very good sign.

    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.

    Get a grip.

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    Ah, the buzz of the Great Kazoo!

    I have a firm grip on a great many things, friend-o. Especially my BWC.

    The times, they are a changin', buds.

    Whites used to self-identify by national origin. But now even evil Ireland with its history of racist colonialism is inundated with dindus. If every formerly White nation just gives away citizenship to any random heeb, these terms are meaningless.

    Pan-White identity is the wave of the future, and our jack boots will stomp
    your face for eternity. As your attorney, I advise you to get with the winning team before it's too late.

    , @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation."
    Or Catholic marrying Protestant.
    , @Lurker
    'They'? Who would that be?

    And no, I don't agree.

    There are plenty of elderly Irish/British couples around and I've never heard any whispered tutting over the mixed nature of their relationship.
    , @LondonBob
    A disproportionate number of white-black relationships, marriage is rare, in the UK are Irish white. White-black relationships seem to be largely an underclass thang.
    , @anon

    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.
     
    Not true.

    There was a religious barrier (which varied in strength from place to place) - and a very strong class barrier (as most Irish immigrants were manual workers) but within blue collar communities where religion wasn't too big an issue it was never a big deal.
    , @Anon
    Nonsense. Get a grip yourself. There was a so-and-so named Ignatiev who had an agenda, and who claimed the Irish were not considered white; like the "no Irish or dogs" signs, that was apocryphal, an occasional poetic opinion that did not stand scrutiny.
    There is virtually no genetic distance between the Irish and English, even in their imaginations. All an Irishman had to do to be English or an Anglo American, was leave his accent and religion in closet.
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  46. This poll found that Indian men are perceived to have a more difficult time in dating than Asian men.

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130763973

    OKCupid response rates by race (Indian men do the worst):
    Dating study (Indian men least popular):
    Indians also seem to have lower intermarriage rates than East Asian men too, both in Canada and the US.

    Indian men intermarry less than most Asian ethnicites, in America: http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

    Indian/Paki men intermarry/intercohabit less (than Chinese men) in the UK too, but I have to find that data.

    So Asian men seem to be doing better than Indian-Paki men.

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    Internet forums these days are being relentlessly trolled by Indian/Paki men complaining about their lack of success with women.

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-12759.html

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-17824.html

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-42049.html

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141863821

    I'd say they have it harder than Asian guys.
    , @Bastion
    LOL. Most of the Indians I've met (late 20's/early 30's) have the physique of a 12 y.o. white kid, and are about as assertive as a pile of wet newspapers. Add in the fact that they tend to have been coddled by momma since the moment they popped out and it's no wonder that they are not considered a catch by 99% of the women on Earth.

    Which is fine for them, because while they are over here on an H1B minting coin, momma is busy back home arranging a bride for them.
    , @anon

    So Asian men seem to be doing better than Indian-Paki men.
     
    A lot of them will eventually have arranged marriages so chasing women outside that is generally only for the short term (which influences the perceptions of those being chased).

    Some populations are mostly r, some mostly K and some mostly K with women from within their own in-group but r with those outside.
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  47. Jefferson says:
    @Kylie
    Is the percentage of mixed race children born is the U.S. higher than 10?

    “Is the percentage of mixed race children born is the U.S. higher than 10?”

    The percentage of Mixed Race Americans is much higher when you also include Multigenerational Mixed Race Americans and not just 1st generation Mixed Race Americans like Barack Hussein Obama.

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    Thanks. That's what I suspected. She said glumly.
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  48. JerryC says:

    28% of black-white couples being black woman/white man seems really high. I would have guessed 10% at most.

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    Naah, is just that you don't start breaking things when you see them. It's kind of like shutting everything else out until you hear your name.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    28% of black-white couples being black woman/white man seems really high. I would have guessed 10% at most.
     
    There are definitely regional variations. In California, the split seemed to be about 90/10, as you describe. Here in South Dakota, it's more like 50/50, or maybe 60/40 in favor of the BM/WF pairings.
    , @anonymous99
    Keep in mind this is MARRIAGES, and no doubt the black bf / white gf ratio is considerably higher than for married couples. Women prefer to settle down with someone of higher socioeconomic status.
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  49. Jefferson says:
    @Officious intermeddler
    Jennifer Lee, a sociology professor at UC Irvine and an expert in immigration and race, says:

    “We’re more likely to view Asian and Hispanic and white as intercultural marriages — they see themselves crossing a cultural barrier more so than a racial barrier,” she said. But a marriage between a black person and a white person crosses a racial color line, “a much more difficult line to cross.”
     
    This is, of course, true. There is little to no racial prejudice against Asians and Hispanics in the United States. We shouldn't have affirmative action for Asians and Hispanics, since they're not victims of discrimination. Opponents of immigration of Asians and Hispanics are not motivated by racism but rather by principled concerns about incompatible cultures, excessive population growth and the economic impact of immigration on American workers.

    Is that what Professor Lee meant to say?

    “This is, of course, true. There is little to no racial prejudice against Asians and Hispanics ?”

    There is also no racial discrimination against African Americans in 2017 as they all turn out to be hate hoaxes.

    I have been riding public transportation since the 1990s and not once have I ever heard a White person say the N word on a subway train or a bus. But you know who does say the N word on public transportation? Other Black people. In Ebonics saying the N word is the equivalent of saying the word “the”.

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    Jefferson:

    In complete agreement with you in NYC.

    Young blacks excel in using the "n" word to the obvious embarrassment/chagrin of white onlookers who realize that they are helpless in the face of PC restraints.
    , @Truth

    In Ebonics saying the N word is the equivalent of saying the word “the”.
     
    N- Orange
    N- Paper towels
    N- Mediterranean Cruise
    N- Cell phone
    N- Can Opener
    N- Sriracha
    N- Checkbook
    N- Jackson Pollock Painting
    N- Stroll downtown
    N- Misunderstanding
    N- Bus Route...
    , @E. Rekshun
    I have been riding public transportation since the 1990s

    How many times have you been assaulted? How many fights have you seen?
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  50. syonredux says:
    @Jefferson
    "And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White."

    I doubt that very much. The Conquistador population in The U.S is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.

    Most Mexican/White couples I see the Mexican partner looks stereotypically what a Mexican is suppose to look like, meaning can not pass for a Gringo phenotype wise.

    “And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White.”

    I doubt that very much. The Conquistador population in The U.S is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.

    I’m an academic, and I know quite a few couples where one partner is a White South American. For example, I know a White/mostly White (if he has any Amerind ancestry, it’s well below 25%) Chilean-American (his parents fled after the fall of the Pinochet regime in ’73) lit prof who specializes in the Great Depression (he did his dissertation on James M Cain, Hammett, and Raymond Chandler)who is married to a girl who is half-German, half-Irish.

    Most Mexican/White couples I see the Mexican partner looks stereotypically what a Mexican is suppose to look like, meaning can not pass for a Gringo phenotype wise.

    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.

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    My wife is from Chile, according to DNA test she is 12% Amerindian...but she denies it, believes the test is not acurate, so we tested her mother, mother is 26% amerindian..brother is 14% Amerindian..they still maintain they are 100% european. It is very strange how they refuse to accept the results. My wife has a degree in biology from NYU, her brother has a degree in marine biology. Funny how so many North Americans claim native American anestry, despite no evidence , while South Americans will deny it despite the evidence. My wife would get furious if I told anyone she was part indian.
    , @Jefferson
    "Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic."

    If you can tell that a couple is Hispanic/White Gringo just by looking at the phenotype of the Hispanic partner than that Hispanic person is clearly not that European looking.

    In most Hispanic/White pairings I can clearly tell the partner is Hispanic just by phenotype alone.

    Even if they have lighter skin they will clearly have almond shaped eyes and high cheekbones which gives them a lightskin Mestizo look. They can look Whitish but not fully White like a Gringo.

    It's like Fox News Julie Banderas for example. I can tell she is not pure White by the shape of her eyes and the shape of her cheekbones.

    , @Truth



    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.

     

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    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I'm quite familiar with the pairings you describe, but in the South another rather common pairing (I work in a register of deeds office) is a sloven, unkept white sow paired to some 75% to 100% Mesoamerican "Indio" who can barely write his name on the forms.
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  51. @Laugh Track

    Overall, roughly 17 percent of people who were in their first year of marriage in 2015 had crossed racial or ethnic lines, up from 3 percent in 1967.
     
    I read the whole article this morning and was struck by how muddled the categories were and therefore the study's conclusions.

    If we are actually including ethnicity in lines being crossed, are we including Polish/Italian marriages or Thai/Japanese? Or is ethnicity in there as a "thing" because Hispanic is not really a racial category but a linguistic and ethnic one?

    There's also some hand-wringing over "disparities", as if all cross-racial/ethnic marriages should ideally be the same percentage across the board.

    And given the high percentage of bi-racial children being born outside of marriage in certain communities, where does that figure in?

    I gather that the journalists didn't want to complicate things too much.

    Good points…my grandparents were in an inter-ethnic marriage…Grandmother was German and Lutheran she married an Irish Catholic ..the Catholic church would not allow them to have the wedding in the church, they were married by a priest in the Church basement, Grandmom had to promise to raise her kids as Catholics. Her parents were not thrilled having an Irish Catholic son-in-law in 1940.

    Are Jew -gentile marriages counted as inter-ethnic in these stats ? How about Hindu-Chinese , which could be described as asian-Asian ?

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    "Are Jew -gentile marriages counted as inter-ethnic in these stats ?"

    No it's not. For example I have never heard anybody refer to the blonde haired & blue eyed half Jewish and half Shiksa actress Goldie Hawn being referred as a Biracial actress who racially belongs in the same category as a Halle Berry and Olivia Munn.

    , @anonymous
    My parents were mixed: North Tipperary and South Tipperary, they overcame it but the gulf is greater than you think. Viking vs. Celt and all that. Love triumphs in the end.
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  53. @JohnnyWalker123
    This poll found that Indian men are perceived to have a more difficult time in dating than Asian men.

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130763973

    OKCupid response rates by race (Indian men do the worst): http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/race_affects/Reply-By-Race-Male.png

    Dating study (Indian men least popular): http://i.imgur.com/u3l3Wxh.png

    Indians also seem to have lower intermarriage rates than East Asian men too, both in Canada and the US.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-008-x/2010001/c-g/11143/c-g001-eng.gif

    Indian men intermarry less than most Asian ethnicites, in America: http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

    Indian/Paki men intermarry/intercohabit less (than Chinese men) in the UK too, but I have to find that data.

    So Asian men seem to be doing better than Indian-Paki men.

    Internet forums these days are being relentlessly trolled by Indian/Paki men complaining about their lack of success with women.

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-12759.html

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-17824.html

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-42049.html

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141863821

    I’d say they have it harder than Asian guys.

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    "Internet forums these days are being relentlessly trolled by Indian/Paki men complaining about their lack of success with women."

    I understand Indian men, but why would Paki men struggle to attract White women when they are Muslims and many White women are pro-open borders Left Wing social justice warriors who see Islam as a sexy alphamale religion. And if Islam is alphamale that automatically makes Paki men alphamales by association.

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    They need to ask the men of Rotherham, Rochdale and many other British towns for dating tips.
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  54. prole says:
    @syonredux

    “And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White.”

    I doubt that very much. The Conquistador population in The U.S is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.
     
    I'm an academic, and I know quite a few couples where one partner is a White South American. For example, I know a White/mostly White (if he has any Amerind ancestry, it's well below 25%) Chilean-American (his parents fled after the fall of the Pinochet regime in '73) lit prof who specializes in the Great Depression (he did his dissertation on James M Cain, Hammett, and Raymond Chandler)who is married to a girl who is half-German, half-Irish.

    Most Mexican/White couples I see the Mexican partner looks stereotypically what a Mexican is suppose to look like, meaning can not pass for a Gringo phenotype wise.
     
    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.

    My wife is from Chile, according to DNA test she is 12% Amerindian…but she denies it, believes the test is not acurate, so we tested her mother, mother is 26% amerindian..brother is 14% Amerindian..they still maintain they are 100% european. It is very strange how they refuse to accept the results. My wife has a degree in biology from NYU, her brother has a degree in marine biology. Funny how so many North Americans claim native American anestry, despite no evidence , while South Americans will deny it despite the evidence. My wife would get furious if I told anyone she was part indian.

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    Maybe the test is wrong. For all you know it is based on assumptions that will prove to be unwarranted.

    Leave it alone. There is no upside for you, or for them.
    , @anon
    That suggests to me that white people in South America are a lot more self-respecting then white people in North America are. Also here in Canada you should see the goodies and freebies available to Indians. Many whites play the "pretend-Indian" game to get in on the action. So some of it could be just self-interest too.
    , @Whoever

    Funny how so many North Americans claim native American anestry, despite no evidence , while South Americans will deny it despite the evidence.
     
    Not really funny. Especially when you acknowledge that there are two countries in North America (or more specifically British North America) that have very different histories regarding Amerindians.
    In Latin America, the Indian civilizations collapsed quickly and the survivors became an underclass ruled over by a European-descended elite.
    In Canada, after the end of French rule, there was not much in the way of Indian resistance and they didn't contribute much or detract much from the development of the country. They were just there.
    But in America, the Indians fought back with everything they had not for years, not for decades, not for generations, but for centuries.
    And the resistance began at the beginning, so to speak, as they were whipping the Spanish at least as early as 1513, when the Timucua drove Ponce de Leon off near present-day St. Augustine, Fla., and later that year the Calusa drove him out of San Carlos Bay, Fla. Four years later Hernando de Cordoba's fleet, returning from a campaign against the Maya, dropped anchor in San Carlos bay to replenish water and supplies, but their landing party was driven off by the Calusa, who were described as "very big men with very long bows and good arrows."
    Ponce de Leon and Cordoba returned to San Carlos Bay in 1521 with 200 soldiers, settlers and supplies to establish a colony. The Calusa again defeated and drove them off, killing both de Leon and Cordoba.
    Then there was the disastrous Navaraez expedition into northern Florida in 1527 with 600 soldiers, where the Spanish crossbows were no match for the Indians 7-foot long bows, as thick as a man's arm, that could penetrate six inches of wood at 200 yards. Only four Spaniards survived the catastrophe.
    In 1539, Hernando de Soto, who had been Francisco Pizarro's chief military adviser and among the 168 who conquered the Inca empire, and a veteran of 15 years of warring against south-of-the Rio Grande Indians, landed in Tampa Bay with 330 infantry and 270 cavalry, most veterans of the Spanish conquests in the south. They had given up European armor and adopted Aztec quilted cotton armor covered with leather as more effective protection.
    They marched north reaching the Choctaw town of Mabila on the present site of Selma, Ala., which they assaulted and took after prolonged fighting, estimated having killed 2,500 inhabitants.
    But no Indian surrender ensued. Instead, they forced the Spaniards to retreat and harried them, the Chickasaw attacking and burning de Soto's winter camp, inflicting severe losses. Ultimately, only about half of de Soto's force survived the expedition -- not including him.
    And so it went for hundreds of years, into the 20th century, if we count the 1911 Shoshone uprising, which was not called a "war" but a "riot," as nomenclature was changed after Wounded Knee.
    It is remarkable that some 350 years after the Calusa crushed Ponce de Leon and Cordoba, the Sioux defeated Crook and annihilated Custer.
    So the American Indian earned respect and a place in our history that he does not have in Latin America or Canada. That's even reflected in our language. Only the American armed forces to this day speak of going into Indian Country, and mean it ominously. Only American paratroopers legendarily shout "Geronimo!" as they leap from airplanes. Only a famous American general was named after an Indian. We speak of being off the reservation, and on the warpath. We Indian wrestle and walk Indian file. Indians are a part of, in today's parlance, who we are in a way they are not in Canada or Latin America.
    Americans, at least those of old-settler stock, are not like Canadians or Latin Americans, either. They have an ornery character, especially those of Scotch-Irish ancestry who were our most legendary Indian fighters, a natural antagonism to the powers that be and a take-this-job-and-shove-it attitude. To them, Indians have a lot of admirable characteristics, real or mythical: stoicism, refusal to stay down or stay put, defiance, resistance... And many of those whose people were here from the beginning did fight Indians and some percent did marry into tribes.
    It's interesting that no white would proudly say (well, until very recently) that he was part black, certainly if he actually had no black blood. If he did have black ancestors it would be something to be ashamed of and hidden. No old-stock Californian would boast that he was part Chinese -- again, especially if he actually had no Chinese ancestry. But lots of white Americans, as you say, claim Indian ancestry even when they don't have it, and have done so since long before there was affirmative action or any official advantage to doing so, and long after the fierce warrior of forest and plain had been replaced by the rez drunk.
    That is telling us something important about our country and our history. And I think it's rather a good thing -- that we don't disparage those we displaced, but empathize with them, acknowledge their loss and try, in some way, to assuage it by claiming that we, too, are Indian, one with them, and one with our mutual land.
    http://i.imgur.com/nkEzAru.jpg
    , @Whoever

    Funny how so many North Americans claim native American ancestry, despite no evidence
     
    Not really funny. Especially when you acknowledge that there are two countries in North America (or more specifically British North America) that have very different histories regarding Amerindians.
    In Latin America, the Indian civilizations collapsed quickly and the survivors became an underclass ruled over by a European-descended elite.
    In Canada, after the end of French rule, there was not much in the way of Indian resistance and they didn’t contribute much or detract much from the development of the country. They were just there.
    But in America, the Indians fought back with everything they had not for years, not for decades, not for generations, but for centuries.
    And the resistance began at the beginning, so to speak, as they were whipping the Spanish at least as early as 1513, when the Timucua drove Ponce de Leon off near present-day St. Augustine, Fla., and later that year the Calusa drove him out of San Carlos Bay, Fla. Four years later Hernando de Cordoba’s fleet, returning from a campaign against the Maya, dropped anchor in San Carlos bay to replenish water and supplies, but their landing party was driven off by the Calusa, who were described as “very big men with very long bows and good arrows.”
    Ponce de Leon and Cordoba returned to San Carlos Bay in 1521 with 200 soldiers, settlers and supplies to establish a colony. The Calusa again defeated and drove them off, killing both de Leon and Cordoba.
    Then there was the disastrous Navaraez expedition into northern Florida in 1527 with 600 soldiers, where the Spanish crossbows were no match for the Indians 7-foot long bows, as thick as a man’s arm, that could penetrate six inches of wood at 200 yards. Only four Spaniards survived the catastrophe.
    In 1539, Hernando de Soto, who had been Francisco Pizarro’s chief military adviser and among the 168 who conquered the Inca empire, and a veteran of 15 years of warring against south-of-the Rio Grande Indians, landed in Tampa Bay with 330 infantry and 270 cavalry, most veterans of the Spanish conquests in the south. They had given up European armor and adopted Aztec quilted cotton armor covered with leather as more effective protection.
    They marched north reaching the Choctaw town of Mabila on the present site of Selma, Ala., which they assaulted and took after prolonged fighting, estimated having killed 2,500 inhabitants.
    But no Indian surrender ensued. Instead, they forced the Spaniards to retreat and harried them, the Chickasaw attacking and burning de Soto’s winter camp, inflicting severe losses. Ultimately, only about half of de Soto’s force survived the expedition — not including him.
    And so it went for hundreds of years, into the 20th century, if we count the 1911 Shoshone uprising, which was not called a “war” but a “riot,” as nomenclature was changed after Wounded Knee.
    It is remarkable that some 350 years after the Calusa crushed Ponce de Leon and Cordoba, the Sioux defeated Crook and annihilated Custer.
    So the American Indian earned respect and a place in our history that he does not have in Latin America or Canada. That’s even reflected in our language. Only the American armed forces to this day speak of going into Indian Country, and mean it ominously. Only American paratroopers legendarily shout “Geronimo!” as they leap from airplanes. Only a famous American general was named after an Indian. We speak of being off the reservation, and on the warpath. We Indian wrestle and walk Indian file. Indians are a part of, in today’s parlance, who we are in a way they are not in Canada or Latin America.
    Americans, at least those of old-settler stock, are not like Canadians or Latin Americans, either. They have an ornery character, especially those of Scotch-Irish ancestry who were our most legendary Indian fighters, a natural antagonism to the powers that be and a take-this-job-and-shove-it attitude. To them, Indians have a lot of admirable characteristics, real or mythical: stoicism, refusal to stay down or stay put, defiance, resistance… And many of those whose people were here from the beginning did fight Indians and some percent did marry into tribes.
    It’s interesting that no white would proudly say (well, until very recently) that he was part black, certainly if he actually had no black blood. If he did have black ancestors it would be something to be ashamed of and hidden. No old-stock Californian would boast that he was part Chinese — again, especially if he actually had no Chinese ancestry. But lots of white Americans, as you say, claim Indian ancestry even when they don’t have it, and have done so since long before there was affirmative action or any official advantage to doing so, and long after the fierce warrior of forest and plain had been replaced by the rez drunk.
    That is telling us something important about our country and our history. And I think it’s rather a good thing — that we don’t disparage those we displaced, but empathize with them, acknowledge their loss and try, in some way, to assuage it by claiming that we, too, are Indian, one with them, and one with our mutual land.
    http://i.imgur.com/nkEzAru.jpg
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  55. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux

    “And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White.”

    I doubt that very much. The Conquistador population in The U.S is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.
     
    I'm an academic, and I know quite a few couples where one partner is a White South American. For example, I know a White/mostly White (if he has any Amerind ancestry, it's well below 25%) Chilean-American (his parents fled after the fall of the Pinochet regime in '73) lit prof who specializes in the Great Depression (he did his dissertation on James M Cain, Hammett, and Raymond Chandler)who is married to a girl who is half-German, half-Irish.

    Most Mexican/White couples I see the Mexican partner looks stereotypically what a Mexican is suppose to look like, meaning can not pass for a Gringo phenotype wise.
     
    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.

    “Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.”

    If you can tell that a couple is Hispanic/White Gringo just by looking at the phenotype of the Hispanic partner than that Hispanic person is clearly not that European looking.

    In most Hispanic/White pairings I can clearly tell the partner is Hispanic just by phenotype alone.

    Even if they have lighter skin they will clearly have almond shaped eyes and high cheekbones which gives them a lightskin Mestizo look. They can look Whitish but not fully White like a Gringo.

    It’s like Fox News Julie Banderas for example. I can tell she is not pure White by the shape of her eyes and the shape of her cheekbones.

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  57. @rw95
    This can only lead to intelligent comments...

    I can’t decide if you’re an angry little oriental or an angry little indian.

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  58. I went to a party at the house of a math professor recently. Every male assistant professor in the department (they are all white) has an asian wife or girlfriend. This was my experience in grad school as well. Just about every male math student I knew had a asian gf. The exception was a german student who was quite the player; he had 3 or 4 white girlfriends at a time.

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    Chinese girls love White men:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So0wXRR8BYU
    , @LondonBob
    I think Asian girls represent an easier target for the stereotypical maths student. There is a clear type for the girls or guys amongst us white folk who cross the racial barrier.
    , @Pericles
    Asian girls seem to pick their guys with an eye to future greatness, while white girls pick theirs as age 35 life savers.
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  59. Jefferson says:
    @David Allan coe
    Good points...my grandparents were in an inter-ethnic marriage...Grandmother was German and Lutheran she married an Irish Catholic ..the Catholic church would not allow them to have the wedding in the church, they were married by a priest in the Church basement, Grandmom had to promise to raise her kids as Catholics. Her parents were not thrilled having an Irish Catholic son-in-law in 1940.

    Are Jew -gentile marriages counted as inter-ethnic in these stats ? How about Hindu-Chinese , which could be described as asian-Asian ?

    “Are Jew -gentile marriages counted as inter-ethnic in these stats ?”

    No it’s not. For example I have never heard anybody refer to the blonde haired & blue eyed half Jewish and half Shiksa actress Goldie Hawn being referred as a Biracial actress who racially belongs in the same category as a Halle Berry and Olivia Munn.

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  60. @Sunbeam
    If Polynesian women want the man to be taller... I'm not sure where they are going to find that. From idle curiosity I'd like to see a stat for the average height of a Polynesian woman versus the average height of her non-Polynesian spouse.

    And "24 percent of African American men are marrying someone of a different race or ethnicity, compared with 12 percent of black women. "

    Is that gross numbers, or percentage of those who actually do get married?

    Is that gross numbers, or percentage of those who actually do get married?

    Actually get married. (The other alternative would be near impossible in the current environment and is much trickier to measure. But who is getting married right now is easy to measure.)

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  61. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Internet forums these days are being relentlessly trolled by Indian/Paki men complaining about their lack of success with women.

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-12759.html

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-17824.html

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-42049.html

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141863821

    I'd say they have it harder than Asian guys.

    “Internet forums these days are being relentlessly trolled by Indian/Paki men complaining about their lack of success with women.”

    I understand Indian men, but why would Paki men struggle to attract White women when they are Muslims and many White women are pro-open borders Left Wing social justice warriors who see Islam as a sexy alphamale religion. And if Islam is alphamale that automatically makes Paki men alphamales by association.

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  62. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Tetesterone injections are a hell of a drug.

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  63. @Jefferson
    "Right. That’s one reason so many Asians moved to the San Gabriel Valley was so that their sons could meet Asian girls. I grew up with an Asian family across the street in the San Fernando Valley, but there aren’t all that many more East Asians in the SFV today because they decided to congregate in the SGV."

    I would choose The San Fernando Valley over The San Gabriel Valley anyday. The former has way more attractive women than the latter.

    California has the best looking people in America, according to this survey.

    51% of Americans rated California as the “hottest” (most physically attractive) state in America.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-how-americans-feel-about-the-states-2013-8

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    "California has the best looking people in America, according to this survey.

    51% of Americans rated California as the “hottest” (most physically attractive) state in America."

    Beautiful Californians are disproportionately White compared to the state as a whole.

    When you think of beautiful Californians you think of Calabasas for example, not South Central Los Angeles.
    , @guest
    That's not really fair, as California is a beauty magnet. Though I don't agree with the prevailing standards in Hollywood, fashion, or pornography, California has all those industries and more. Every small town girl who gets called "hot" more than once goes there to make it big.

    (Unless she's seven feet tall and built like a boy, in which case she goes to New York, Paris, Milan, or whatever.)
    , @Dave Shanken
    Also note that California is a center of cosmetic surgery.
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  64. @prole
    My wife is from Chile, according to DNA test she is 12% Amerindian...but she denies it, believes the test is not acurate, so we tested her mother, mother is 26% amerindian..brother is 14% Amerindian..they still maintain they are 100% european. It is very strange how they refuse to accept the results. My wife has a degree in biology from NYU, her brother has a degree in marine biology. Funny how so many North Americans claim native American anestry, despite no evidence , while South Americans will deny it despite the evidence. My wife would get furious if I told anyone she was part indian.

    Maybe the test is wrong. For all you know it is based on assumptions that will prove to be unwarranted.

    Leave it alone. There is no upside for you, or for them.

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  65. Truth says:
    @BenKenobi
    I think it's remarkable that after ~70 years of cradle-to-grave pro-miscegenation propaganda from all levels of government and media the number of mixed marriages hovers around 10%.

    That's a very good sign.

    The rate of Unz.com columnists is about %40.

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  66. guest says:
    @Jefferson
    "I think it’s remarkable that after ~70 years of cradle-to-grave pro-miscegenation propaganda from all levels of government and media the number of mixed marriages hovers around 10%.

    That’s a very good sign."

    Residential racial segregation also explains why interracial dating and interracial marriage has a glass ceiling that will never go beyond a certain percentage.

    In The San Gabriel Valley for example you rarely see Asian women with White men because Asians are the majority racial group there, so Asian women have plenty of other Asian men to choose from in the dating pool.

    Segregation is a huge factor. Plenty of sexless white beta males would settle for black females, even though they’re at rock bottom in preference. But where do they meet? The races live in separate worlds, mostly. Main set-up/pick-up avenues, from circles or friends to community events to bars and clubs, just don’t feature white men and black women intermingling.

    Once I worked with a couple of black ladies (at a mostly Hispanic, blue-collar job while I was in college), and lady A said of lady B, “You know, she’s looking for a white boyfriend.” I wasn’t accustomed to having girls bandied about in that fashion (not since junior high, at least). But they’re open, is the point, and I wouldn’t have known had I not happened to work near a couple of them. (In a place where I was routinely called “gringo.”)

    Now, black men are different. They’re men, and they prize white women, so they’ll hunt them down. Segregation isn’t as large an obstacle. Plus, and I don’t want to overstate their attraction to white women as people common do, but there is something drawing white women to black men that’s utterly missing between white men and black women. It’s the tall, dark stranger phenomenon.

    Still, they mostly pull lower class white girls (and Kardashians). White guys could get higher class black girls, but aren’t motivated to hunt them down.

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    It’s the tall, dark stranger phenomenon.
     
    Hate to break it to you, sport, but it's the constant, every-waking-hour brainwashing phenomenon.
    , @Return of Shawn
    I am a sub teacher in many schools within a couple districts that are about 18% black or so. It's true that white women are prized. Most of the behavioral problems come from black students too, although I won't get into that since it's off topic.
    , @Lurker

    Still, they mostly pull lower class white girls (and Kardashians).
     
    If the Kardashians aren't lower class then the lower class no longer exists.
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  67. Truth says:
    @JerryC
    28% of black-white couples being black woman/white man seems really high. I would have guessed 10% at most.

    Naah, is just that you don’t start breaking things when you see them. It’s kind of like shutting everything else out until you hear your name.

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  68. Dan Hayes says:
    @Jefferson
    "This is, of course, true. There is little to no racial prejudice against Asians and Hispanics ?"

    There is also no racial discrimination against African Americans in 2017 as they all turn out to be hate hoaxes.

    I have been riding public transportation since the 1990s and not once have I ever heard a White person say the N word on a subway train or a bus. But you know who does say the N word on public transportation? Other Black people. In Ebonics saying the N word is the equivalent of saying the word "the".

    Jefferson:

    In complete agreement with you in NYC.

    Young blacks excel in using the “n” word to the obvious embarrassment/chagrin of white onlookers who realize that they are helpless in the face of PC restraints.

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  69. Truth says:
    @Jefferson
    "This is, of course, true. There is little to no racial prejudice against Asians and Hispanics ?"

    There is also no racial discrimination against African Americans in 2017 as they all turn out to be hate hoaxes.

    I have been riding public transportation since the 1990s and not once have I ever heard a White person say the N word on a subway train or a bus. But you know who does say the N word on public transportation? Other Black people. In Ebonics saying the N word is the equivalent of saying the word "the".

    In Ebonics saying the N word is the equivalent of saying the word “the”.

    N- Orange
    N- Paper towels
    N- Mediterranean Cruise
    N- Cell phone
    N- Can Opener
    N- Sriracha
    N- Checkbook
    N- Jackson Pollock Painting
    N- Stroll downtown
    N- Misunderstanding
    N- Bus Route…

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    Jackson Pollock. Jackson Pollock. Jackson Pollock. The coloreds are always talking about their precious Jackson Pollock. No coincidence then that Jackie Robinson was number 5 then is it?
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  70. Truth says:
    @syonredux

    “And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White.”

    I doubt that very much. The Conquistador population in The U.S is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.
     
    I'm an academic, and I know quite a few couples where one partner is a White South American. For example, I know a White/mostly White (if he has any Amerind ancestry, it's well below 25%) Chilean-American (his parents fled after the fall of the Pinochet regime in '73) lit prof who specializes in the Great Depression (he did his dissertation on James M Cain, Hammett, and Raymond Chandler)who is married to a girl who is half-German, half-Irish.

    Most Mexican/White couples I see the Mexican partner looks stereotypically what a Mexican is suppose to look like, meaning can not pass for a Gringo phenotype wise.
     
    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.
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    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.

    Earn more…
     
    JEB Bush is a sad case. Probably married the first woman he slept with.....
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  71. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    California has the best looking people in America, according to this survey.

    51% of Americans rated California as the "hottest" (most physically attractive) state in America.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-how-americans-feel-about-the-states-2013-8

    “California has the best looking people in America, according to this survey.

    51% of Americans rated California as the “hottest” (most physically attractive) state in America.”

    Beautiful Californians are disproportionately White compared to the state as a whole.

    When you think of beautiful Californians you think of Calabasas for example, not South Central Los Angeles.

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    Also, the coastal areas of Orange County. Like Huntington Beach, Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, Laguna, Seal Beach. Lots of amazingly attractive people.

    Are you ever planning on move down there from Nor Cal?
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  72. guest says:

    The attractiveness of East Asian females is wildly overrated, though they are more highly valued than other groups. It’s fashionable to fetishize them at the moment, but I think that will subside. White women are the greater prize.

    Asian men, on the other hand, we don’t even think about in a sexual context, usually. (Maybe the gays do; I’m not sure.) Which is cruel, in a way.

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    "The attractiveness of East Asian females is wildly overrated"

    I rate Mulatto chicks above Asian chicks in the looks department. I would rather bang Sade Adu over Connie Chung.
    https://youtu.be/kcPc18SG6uA
    , @Kylie
    I find East Asian men attractive.
    , @Vinteuil
    "Asian men, on the other hand, we don’t even think about in a sexual context, usually. (Maybe the gays do; I’m not sure.)"

    Google the phrase "rice queen."
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  73. guest says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    California has the best looking people in America, according to this survey.

    51% of Americans rated California as the "hottest" (most physically attractive) state in America.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-how-americans-feel-about-the-states-2013-8

    That’s not really fair, as California is a beauty magnet. Though I don’t agree with the prevailing standards in Hollywood, fashion, or pornography, California has all those industries and more. Every small town girl who gets called “hot” more than once goes there to make it big.

    (Unless she’s seven feet tall and built like a boy, in which case she goes to New York, Paris, Milan, or whatever.)

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    True. Hollywood and the fashion industry make a difference.

    Good-looking men and women are also attracted to the beach, sun, coast, and nightlife. That's why there are so many attractive people along the coastal areas of California, but almost none in the Central Valley. That's also why SoCal people are prettier than those in NorCal. NorCal does have a more intellectual demographic though, while the CV has nothing except heat and ugly geography.

    Florida did well too on the survey. I think it's got a lot of the same features as California, just with far worse humidity and uglier natural scenery. So it ends up being a trashier version of California.

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.

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  74. Bastion says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    This poll found that Indian men are perceived to have a more difficult time in dating than Asian men.

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130763973

    OKCupid response rates by race (Indian men do the worst): http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/race_affects/Reply-By-Race-Male.png

    Dating study (Indian men least popular): http://i.imgur.com/u3l3Wxh.png

    Indians also seem to have lower intermarriage rates than East Asian men too, both in Canada and the US.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-008-x/2010001/c-g/11143/c-g001-eng.gif

    Indian men intermarry less than most Asian ethnicites, in America: http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

    Indian/Paki men intermarry/intercohabit less (than Chinese men) in the UK too, but I have to find that data.

    So Asian men seem to be doing better than Indian-Paki men.

    LOL. Most of the Indians I’ve met (late 20′s/early 30′s) have the physique of a 12 y.o. white kid, and are about as assertive as a pile of wet newspapers. Add in the fact that they tend to have been coddled by momma since the moment they popped out and it’s no wonder that they are not considered a catch by 99% of the women on Earth.

    Which is fine for them, because while they are over here on an H1B minting coin, momma is busy back home arranging a bride for them.

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    In their defense, they're at least unobjectionable. Their UK Paki cousins are equally unattractive, but with a much higher degree of assertiveness and sociopathy. So they end up running grooming rings with 12 year-olds.

    Pakis are like the worst race ever. They combine the extreme unattractiveness/awkwardness of Indians with the predatory sociopathy of Islam.
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  75. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jefferson
    " think the biggest racial divide in this country is not between whites and non-whites, but between blacks and non-blacks."

    The biggest racial divide in this country is between Whites and Nonwhites, not Blacks and Nonblacks.

    Asian and Hispanic voting patterns in presidential elections is closer to that of African Americans than it is to Whites.

    Yes but how many Chinese girls are marrying a black guy from the hood? Most Chinese families would disown any female member who did so.

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  76. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Kaz
    That's a subreddit about that specific neurosis, you'll find the same thing for white men, black men, etc.. on there. Reddit has a whining group for everyone.

    I wouldn't start to think it's some widespread phenomena because a small group is really loud about it in their space.

    Didn’t stop to check if it’s true, but they claim to be the most popular of all Asian identity subreddits out there.

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  77. BenKenobi says:
    @Kaz
    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.

    Get a grip.

    Ah, the buzz of the Great Kazoo!

    I have a firm grip on a great many things, friend-o. Especially my BWC.

    The times, they are a changin’, buds.

    Whites used to self-identify by national origin. But now even evil Ireland with its history of racist colonialism is inundated with dindus. If every formerly White nation just gives away citizenship to any random heeb, these terms are meaningless.

    Pan-White identity is the wave of the future, and our jack boots will stomp
    your face for eternity. As your attorney, I advise you to get with the winning team before it’s too late.

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  78. “It’s worth noting that the big growth in propensity toward intermarriage happened a long time ago. A recent study estimated that the propensity toward interracial marriage among people under 35 was 72% as large as it is today by 1980, which was a long time ago.”

    Also, the total number of marriages in the US has been declining since ca.1980′s. In other words, fewer and fewer people (most particularly among blacks and whites as a whole) are getting married.

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  79. Jefferson says:

    Hollywood lately has really been trying to shove the White female/Asian male multicultural racial micegenation narrative down our throats.

    Amy Schumer has a Korean boyfriend in her new film Snatched.

    On the show Master Of None Aziz Ansari is always dating White women.

    On the show Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt a ginger haired chick dates a Filipino guy.

    On the show Fresh Off The Boat single blonde haired White soccer moms flirt with Jessica Huang’s Taiwanese husband.

    Hollywood painting Asian men as being that extremely in demand by White women is as realistic as the shows and movies that portray all Blacks as rocket scientists.

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    Master of None was created by Ansari. That's why it shows him as attractive. He cast himself. If you create a show, you control the casting.

    In real life, South Asians are the least believable sex symbols. Even East Asian men are a notch above them. However, East Asian men are seen as having stoic personalities, so it's hard to sexualize them. They're not emotionally expressive enough.

    On Parks&Recreation (which was produced by someone else), Ansari was typecast as a South Asian guy who thinks he's a pickup artist and fails miserably with women.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foNxKbp9lOM

    That was the joke with Ansari ("Tom Haverford").

    Fast&Furious has sort of made Asian men a bit cooler, due to their association with cars and tech gadgets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHrs2TkA6eo

    I wonder if Asians are becoming cool. All those gangster movies made Italians cool. The same happened with Irish and cop movies.

    Due to the rapidly growing Chinese market, expect to see a lot more Asian characters on tv and in the movies.
    , @Marty T
    Yesterday in NYC I saw a tall attractive brunette hand in hand with a dorky looking Asian guy. And believe it or not that's not the first time I've seen such a couple.
    , @blahbahblah

    Hollywood painting Asian men as being that extremely in demand by White women is as realistic as the shows and movies that portray all Blacks as rocket scientists.

     

    Well, women like men with money and I think Asians are well prepared for the 21st century marketplace. There are plenty of girls who'd like a firmly financially stable asian guy. Besides nerds and weeboos, there's the traditional girl that just want a family... the social media whores that don't want to work... sugar babies... girls who got worthless college degrees.

    Asians haven't done a good job enculturating their sons for the dating market and that will change somewhat.

    I have little doubt that AMWF will surpass BMWF within my lifetime when it comes to marriages.

    -----

    Besides looks, one reason South Asians don't intermarry as much is that they seem to keep their culture more. They also have quite a few popular dating websites oriented towards South Asians.

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  80. This nomenclature goes beyond mere innumeracy; it is outright mendacity. We are less than ten percent of the population and rapidly decreasing; will we even be finally properly referred to as a minority when we are one percent of the population?

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    This nomenclature goes beyond mere innumeracy; it is outright mendacity. We are less than ten percent of the population and rapidly decreasing; will we even be finally properly referred to as a minority when we are one percent of the population?
     
    I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it's tad spergish to wonder why people aren't using the Global figure. People care about the demographic make-up of their country, their state, their county/city, not what percentage Whites comprise of the world's population. When people say "Whites are the majority population," they mean in the USA, England, France, etc. You know, the countries where White people live.
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  81. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @prole
    My wife is from Chile, according to DNA test she is 12% Amerindian...but she denies it, believes the test is not acurate, so we tested her mother, mother is 26% amerindian..brother is 14% Amerindian..they still maintain they are 100% european. It is very strange how they refuse to accept the results. My wife has a degree in biology from NYU, her brother has a degree in marine biology. Funny how so many North Americans claim native American anestry, despite no evidence , while South Americans will deny it despite the evidence. My wife would get furious if I told anyone she was part indian.

    That suggests to me that white people in South America are a lot more self-respecting then white people in North America are. Also here in Canada you should see the goodies and freebies available to Indians. Many whites play the “pretend-Indian” game to get in on the action. So some of it could be just self-interest too.

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    Many whites play the “pretend-Indian” game to get in on the action. So some of it could be just self-interest too.

    I'm sure there's some of that, but it's not just that. Laugh at it if you will, but for a lot of wannabe authochon's it fulfulls a deep psychological and religious space that they aren't getting elsewhere. Of course they experience a cartoon, antho major version of native culture and spirituality, but I've seen countless crypto-Cherokees and pseudo Lakotas derive a sense of place and being. I've shared space with some full-blood, spoke the language natives in NAC ceremonies, so I can say I"ve been there, too.

    In the States, one explanation for at least a couple of generations of this kind of attraction certainaly has to be the Boy Scouts, the most philo-native organization ever- at least when they were big on stuff like the Order of the Arrow and real merit badge skills. Gateway if there ever was one.
    , @prole
    They do have special programs now in Chile for the amerindians, but although the average Chilean is 35% amerindian only 5% are considered indigenous. 45% of Chileans deny having any indio blood in recent surveys, while 80% of those living in Santiago claim to be 100% european, 20% acknowledge being mestizo.

    among the lower classes the typical Chilean is 50% indigenous, while the middle class is genetically 25% indio, and the upper class are typically 10% or less ameridian. Chile is more classist than racist, but the result is that people deny they have any amerindian blood, as the mestizos are at the bottom, less educated , poor, and the amerindians live outside the cities, isolated from Chilean society. My wife never knew or met an amerindian Chilean, nor she ever see a black person until she moved to New York city at the age of 21.

    , @Jefferson
    "That suggests to me that white people in South America are a lot more self-respecting then white people in North America"

    So you see South Americans with 12 percent Amerindian ancestry as White? Why do so many people here on The Unz lower the bar for what is considered White when it comes to Hispanics, yet would never lower the same bar for Non Hispanic people.

    The Hispanics are a White ethnic group crowd here on The Unz would never in a million years accept Non Hispanic people with 12 percent Amerindian ancestry as part of the White race.

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  82. I thought white man/Hispanic woman was the most common pairing in the US?

    Also, it seems like there’s this really weird and unbelievable push to market subcontinental males as some sort of sexual paragons. Master of None is Exhibit A, but it is memeing it seems like in advertising.

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    Not really.

    TV shows typecast South Asian men as sexually unattractive and awkward.

    Raj from Big Bang Theory, Aziz Ansari from Parks&Recreation, Apu from the Simpsons.

    Sometimes they also get typecast as corrupt, nefarious types (Gatsby, Spider-Man, Jurassic Park) or some sort of Mid Eastern terrorist.

    One show did have this Paki kid (Riz Ahmed) cast as a surfer dude who gets Lena Dunham's character pregnant. However, Lena Dunham is a hideous whale, so I'm not sure if that's something to be bragging about.

    As for Master of None, it was created by Ansari. So he gave himself a role as a romancer. It'd be like if I created a movie and made myself the hero.

    South Asian guys seem to be particularly good at winning roles in which comedic value is important (Nayyar, Ansari, Apu, Kal Penn, Minhaj, and that Paki guy from Silicon Valley). Remember "Screech" from Save By the Bell and "Paul Pfeiffer" from Wonder Years? These days, those roles would go to Indian/Paki guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsABTmT1_M0
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  83. @Kaz
    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.

    Get a grip.

    “70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.”
    Or Catholic marrying Protestant.

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    Where ? In the UK ?

    Both my Irish Catholic grandfathers married protestants in Pennsylvania...one married a German the other married a Scot. They were married over 75 years ago, in 1939 and 1940. Both raised their children Catholic..

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  85. Just some field notes on intermarriage:

    There seems to be a major class divide in terms of intermarriage–white males marrying Asian females tend to be relatively high educational attainment while the opposite is true of white female-black male pairings. While there is much gnashing of teeth on the alt-right about WF-BM marriages I think the real story is high status white men out-marrying.

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish. This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly–these guys (secular liberal Jews) don’t just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don’t detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don’t know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.

    AF also don’t really seem to virtue signal, and they seem to have a mindset about finances, child rearing, social norms, politics, etc. that is closer to the male average; I’m not sure if this is going to change as assimilation continues but for now I think WM appreciate this when looking for a partner.

    Lastly, high educational attainment individuals tend to get married later in life, say late twenties to early thirties. Asians spend their lives trying to avoid the sun while whites intentionally tan; sun damage starts to show up around then. Also as whites tend to have heavier builds often they are slightly overweight by their early thirties (both male and female.) As such when you reach that age often Asians of both sexes are looking much more youthful; however this is much more of an asset for females and they are able to snag relatively high status males of whatever race they choose.

    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I should note all this only applies to east Asians, south Asians are totally different.

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    Mostly agree, just want to add some missing points
    1) Assortative mating is the true phenomenon here. People marry/date/socialize with who they go to school with or work with.
    combined earning based on 2010
    AMWF>WMAF>AMAF>WMHF>WMBF>WMWF>HMWF>BMWF>BMNF>HMHF
    2) AF marrying up or across, rarely marrying down
    3) AMWF couples are nowhere as common as WMAF couples. But most of those marriages, both of them are generally well educated, and most of those WFs seem to be thin/petite/pretty. Seem to me AM don't cross the colorline for scrap. Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market. AM simply cannot handle those large and in charge type.
    , @LondonBob
    Very true, Black Jewish couples seem disproportionately common.
    , @biz
    Your comment is absolutely true on several different points. It should be mandatory reading for people who presume to opine on interracial relationships.

    The perspective on Asian females being less cognitively female in the negative ways is on point. Many people focus on the supposed hyperfeminie and submissive appeal of AFs when discussing WMAF pairings, but ironically the appeal of many Western born AFs (not talking about internet brides here) is that they are less girly in behavior than WFs. For an educated, sensible, maybe STEM-oriented WM, there is a lot of appeal in a woman who can also understand the household budget and doesn't think that a new pair of $300 designer heels is a necessity each month, and maybe even has a relatively high paying knowledge economy job.

    The same applies to South Asian females, perhaps even moreso - at least for the Brahmin and similar South Asian females that comprise the potentially datable market in the West. I don't know if such stats are broken out so finely anywhere, but I would be willing to bet that the highest average socioeconomic status pairing of all is white male + South Asian female.
    , @anon

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish.
     
    Agree about the disproportion but 100% of a very low number is still a very low number.

    This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly–these guys (secular liberal Jews) don’t just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.
     
    Whatever the reason(s) behind it the media are clearly obsessed with making white people disappear - from the past, the present and the future.

    One of those reasons is the banking mafia - who own the media - want a world of 85 IQ slave cattle.
    , @chucho
    AFWM is epidemic in my little corner of the world (urban area+IT+finance). Seems to have exploded in the last 10 years among couples in 20s/30s. Rarely see South Asian / White pairings though, and if so, it's always white female. High-status South Asian guys who exclusively date WFs seem to settle for much less than the average WM would.
    , @(((Owen)))

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don’t detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don’t know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.
     
    This appears to be an American phenomenon. Dimorphism in engineering and science college enrollment in Asia is extreme. Todai, the most elite university in Japan (and all Asia), has 82% male and 18% female undergrad enrollment. More technical schools have even steeper ratios. Korea and China have differences almost as unequal.

    So something about being an Asian-American girl tilts them away from easy majors and frivolous subjects and persuades them to study science like men do. Whatever it is, it sure imprints a preference for Asian women onto nerdy white men. When your youth is spent with reasonable and interesting Asian girls and hostile status-mongering virtue signalling anti-intellectual white girls, you can't help but notice. I sure did.
    , @dcite
    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I have never noticed that although white men do seem to think it prevalent. Mostly in their imagination, although it takes all kinds and I'm sure it exists. The resentment of [many] black women towards white women who date black men is extremely visceral and vicious. Most white women have no idea it exists since they are not thinking like that (not all of course, but it's common). There is nothing approaching that among white women towards Asians who date white guys.
    Way back in high school there was a discussion on mixed marriage and one girl asked rhetorically why marrying Asians was not considered mixed (we didn't particularly). Various reasons were given. The priest told them that many parents had objected to their sons marrying Japanese after WWII. We were in a girls' school, so maybe our thought process was just less boy-focused because we duly and unabashedly acknowledged that "Orientals" were sort of small and cute and would naturally be attractive to a lot of guys. Our geography teacher was a Filipina and yet we still referred, unthinkingly, to the teaching staff as all white. We'd be more careful today.
    I've worked with Asian girls/ladies who were married to white guys, they've been my friends, or my friends had them as friends, a couple as best friends, and they have just blended in the general American environment. I'm in an area with a fair number of such unions, although not west coast. One girl was a Korean adoptee who really loved her adoptive mom and just naturally gravitated towards whites. Some white ladies also dated Asian guys. No big deal. I would also cite the readiness of many whites to adopt Asian kids. It's just not the same thing as the black/white dichotomy.
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  86. jim jones says:
    @verylongaccountname
    I went to a party at the house of a math professor recently. Every male assistant professor in the department (they are all white) has an asian wife or girlfriend. This was my experience in grad school as well. Just about every male math student I knew had a asian gf. The exception was a german student who was quite the player; he had 3 or 4 white girlfriends at a time.

    Chinese girls love White men:

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  87. Kylie says:
    @Jefferson
    "Is the percentage of mixed race children born is the U.S. higher than 10?"

    The percentage of Mixed Race Americans is much higher when you also include Multigenerational Mixed Race Americans and not just 1st generation Mixed Race Americans like Barack Hussein Obama.

    Thanks. That’s what I suspected. She said glumly.

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  88. AMWF says:

    Here is the actual Pew Research study instead of an article :

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/18/intermarriage-in-the-u-s-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/

    “Is Love Colorblind?” Still Valid After 20 Years”

    Lots of things have changed in 20 years for Asian-Americans including the tremendous growth of South Asians in the US to the point where they are about 1/3rd of the Asian-American population and Indians will surpass the Chinese as the largest Asian-American ethnic group in the US in the next decade. Indians (and in particular Indian men) have the lowest rates of intermarriage in the US. As stated in the actual study in the notations :

    “Asian Americans are an incredibly diverse group, with varying histories in the U.S. and very different demographic and economic profiles. For a more detailed look at Asian American subgroups and their intermarriage patterns, see “The Rise of Asian Americans””.

    Some other notable points from the study, a huge reason for high rate of intermarriage for Asian females are because of older females above the age of 40. More than half of newlywed Asian women in their 40s intermarry (56%) and (46%) of those 50 and older. In addition, while Asian female outmarriage has stayed a static 36%, the Asian male outmarriage rates has increased dramatically.

    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2013) : 16%
    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2015) : 21%
    US-born Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2010) : 41.7%

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    Some other notable points from the study, a huge reason for high rate of intermarriage for Asian females are because of older females above the age of 40. More than half of newlywed Asian women in their 40s intermarry (56%) and (46%) of those 50 and older. In addition, while Asian female outmarriage has stayed a static 36%, the Asian male outmarriage rates has increased dramatically.

    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2013) : 16%
    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2015) : 21%
    US-born Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2010) : 41.7%
     
    When Asian women divorce their husbands, they often remarry white men who appreciate their relative youthful appearance and thinness. Their husbands go back to the homeland and acquire a young mistress or wife.

    By the way, there's this view of Asian men as monogamous. They're not. Lots acquire a younger girl when they get older and economically establish themselves. That's one reason for the divorces. Americans attach a lot more important to monogamy than Asians.
    , @Sunbeam

    Lots of things have changed in 20 years for Asian-Americans including the tremendous growth of South Asians in the US to the point where they are about 1/3rd of the Asian-American population and Indians will surpass the Chinese as the largest Asian-American ethnic group in the US in the next decade.
     
    For the love of God, no.

    I changed my mind. Unlimited Chinese immigration here. But they gotta kick out the Indians.

    I can tolerate being a menial servant to our Chinese overlords. No way I could tolerate Epic Douchebaggery dialed up to 11.

    Any way we could get Sikhs instead of Indians?
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  89. @Jefferson
    "California has the best looking people in America, according to this survey.

    51% of Americans rated California as the “hottest” (most physically attractive) state in America."

    Beautiful Californians are disproportionately White compared to the state as a whole.

    When you think of beautiful Californians you think of Calabasas for example, not South Central Los Angeles.

    Also, the coastal areas of Orange County. Like Huntington Beach, Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, Laguna, Seal Beach. Lots of amazingly attractive people.

    Are you ever planning on move down there from Nor Cal?

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  90. Jefferson says:
    @guest
    The attractiveness of East Asian females is wildly overrated, though they are more highly valued than other groups. It's fashionable to fetishize them at the moment, but I think that will subside. White women are the greater prize.

    Asian men, on the other hand, we don't even think about in a sexual context, usually. (Maybe the gays do; I'm not sure.) Which is cruel, in a way.

    “The attractiveness of East Asian females is wildly overrated”

    I rate Mulatto chicks above Asian chicks in the looks department. I would rather bang Sade Adu over Connie Chung.

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  91. @guest
    That's not really fair, as California is a beauty magnet. Though I don't agree with the prevailing standards in Hollywood, fashion, or pornography, California has all those industries and more. Every small town girl who gets called "hot" more than once goes there to make it big.

    (Unless she's seven feet tall and built like a boy, in which case she goes to New York, Paris, Milan, or whatever.)

    True. Hollywood and the fashion industry make a difference.

    Good-looking men and women are also attracted to the beach, sun, coast, and nightlife. That’s why there are so many attractive people along the coastal areas of California, but almost none in the Central Valley. That’s also why SoCal people are prettier than those in NorCal. NorCal does have a more intellectual demographic though, while the CV has nothing except heat and ugly geography.

    Florida did well too on the survey. I think it’s got a lot of the same features as California, just with far worse humidity and uglier natural scenery. So it ends up being a trashier version of California.

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.

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    Gay men select models for fashion, straight men for pornography hence the boyish fashion models, wasn't there even a trans Croatian male modelling women's clothing, and the more curvy women found in porn.
    , @Thea
    The fashion industry is run by gay men. They find those features appealing.

    Florida also has a higher obeisity rate than Cali.
    , @Truth



    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.
     
    Too many words; correction:


    Good observation on models. Most models are boy
     
    , @Tom-in-VA
    The gay men who run the fashion industry find them appealing. Also, most clothes look good on them.
    , @(((Owen)))

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.
     
    Straight men don't find them appealing. Which makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in the fashion industry.
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  92. @Bastion
    LOL. Most of the Indians I've met (late 20's/early 30's) have the physique of a 12 y.o. white kid, and are about as assertive as a pile of wet newspapers. Add in the fact that they tend to have been coddled by momma since the moment they popped out and it's no wonder that they are not considered a catch by 99% of the women on Earth.

    Which is fine for them, because while they are over here on an H1B minting coin, momma is busy back home arranging a bride for them.

    In their defense, they’re at least unobjectionable. Their UK Paki cousins are equally unattractive, but with a much higher degree of assertiveness and sociopathy. So they end up running grooming rings with 12 year-olds.

    Pakis are like the worst race ever. They combine the extreme unattractiveness/awkwardness of Indians with the predatory sociopathy of Islam.

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    Somalis and Gypsies could easily displace Pakistanis in that negative ranking. Or their cousins, the Afghans. (note: there's also a non-trivial number of Muslim Gypsies).
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  93. Lurker says:
    @Kaz
    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.

    Get a grip.

    ‘They’? Who would that be?

    And no, I don’t agree.

    There are plenty of elderly Irish/British couples around and I’ve never heard any whispered tutting over the mixed nature of their relationship.

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    That is a direct effect of the huge decline in church attendance. No one cares about religious differences any more because many folks have replaced God with secular substitutes like SJW politics or "the environment."
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  94. @JohnnyWalker123
    California has the best looking people in America, according to this survey.

    51% of Americans rated California as the "hottest" (most physically attractive) state in America.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-how-americans-feel-about-the-states-2013-8

    Also note that California is a center of cosmetic surgery.

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  95. @Jack Hanson
    I thought white man/Hispanic woman was the most common pairing in the US?

    Also, it seems like there's this really weird and unbelievable push to market subcontinental males as some sort of sexual paragons. Master of None is Exhibit A, but it is memeing it seems like in advertising.

    Not really.

    TV shows typecast South Asian men as sexually unattractive and awkward.

    Raj from Big Bang Theory, Aziz Ansari from Parks&Recreation, Apu from the Simpsons.

    Sometimes they also get typecast as corrupt, nefarious types (Gatsby, Spider-Man, Jurassic Park) or some sort of Mid Eastern terrorist.

    One show did have this Paki kid (Riz Ahmed) cast as a surfer dude who gets Lena Dunham’s character pregnant. However, Lena Dunham is a hideous whale, so I’m not sure if that’s something to be bragging about.

    As for Master of None, it was created by Ansari. So he gave himself a role as a romancer. It’d be like if I created a movie and made myself the hero.

    South Asian guys seem to be particularly good at winning roles in which comedic value is important (Nayyar, Ansari, Apu, Kal Penn, Minhaj, and that Paki guy from Silicon Valley). Remember “Screech” from Save By the Bell and “Paul Pfeiffer” from Wonder Years? These days, those roles would go to Indian/Paki guys.

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    "Remember “Screech” from Save By the Bell and “Paul Pfeiffer” from Wonder Years?"

    I remember there were rumors that Paul Pfeiffer grew up to become the circus freak show that is Marilyn Manson. Remember when some people blamed his dark degenerate music for Columbine? I think it was some Evangelical pastors.

    , @guest
    About the characters you mentioned: one was played by a Jew and the other at least a half-Jew. They played up Paul's Jewishness on at least one Wonder Years episode (where he got bar mitzvahed), but I don't know about Screech. He came off that way, but I also remember his mom being a die-hard Elvis fan, which doesn't seem right.

    Anyway, are Asians stealing Jews' nerdy friends roles? Can we use this fact to get Jews behind immigration control?

    By the way, funny thing about Paul on the Wonder Years is that the actor matured much faster than the lead, Fred Savage. He shot up in height, lost his glasses, and became fairly handsome. So they shifted his role from the allergy-prone geeky friend to a jockish guy who lost his virginity way before Kevin. (Well, not completely changed. He was still a tight-ass and smartypants.)
    , @The Alarmist

    "TV shows typecast South Asian men as sexually unattractive and awkward .... Raj from Big Bang Theory ...."
     
    Raj is awkward, but not exactly unattractive.
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  96. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @guest
    Segregation is a huge factor. Plenty of sexless white beta males would settle for black females, even though they're at rock bottom in preference. But where do they meet? The races live in separate worlds, mostly. Main set-up/pick-up avenues, from circles or friends to community events to bars and clubs, just don't feature white men and black women intermingling.

    Once I worked with a couple of black ladies (at a mostly Hispanic, blue-collar job while I was in college), and lady A said of lady B, "You know, she's looking for a white boyfriend." I wasn't accustomed to having girls bandied about in that fashion (not since junior high, at least). But they're open, is the point, and I wouldn't have known had I not happened to work near a couple of them. (In a place where I was routinely called "gringo.")

    Now, black men are different. They're men, and they prize white women, so they'll hunt them down. Segregation isn't as large an obstacle. Plus, and I don't want to overstate their attraction to white women as people common do, but there is something drawing white women to black men that's utterly missing between white men and black women. It's the tall, dark stranger phenomenon.

    Still, they mostly pull lower class white girls (and Kardashians). White guys could get higher class black girls, but aren't motivated to hunt them down.

    It’s the tall, dark stranger phenomenon.

    Hate to break it to you, sport, but it’s the constant, every-waking-hour brainwashing phenomenon.

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    That too.

    Your point is especially strong because there's no equivalent effort to sell black women to white men. Black ladies get to be powerful authority figures, and you'll even see people like Viola Davis sex it up on tv. But no one takes that too seriously.

    Black males, on the other hand, are the epitome of coolness. They get to be manly, bad boyish, athletic, and good dancers and singers, with, um, other attributes. Everything that tickles a woman's naughty parts.

    Black ladies get to be strippers and prostitutes, though.

    , @anon
    Agreed. So many white girls have been indoctrinated by the powers that be about it being "cool" to be with a black guy that many of them seems to regard its as some kind of rite of passage.
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  97. @Jefferson
    Hollywood lately has really been trying to shove the White female/Asian male multicultural racial micegenation narrative down our throats.

    Amy Schumer has a Korean boyfriend in her new film Snatched.

    On the show Master Of None Aziz Ansari is always dating White women.

    On the show Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt a ginger haired chick dates a Filipino guy.

    On the show Fresh Off The Boat single blonde haired White soccer moms flirt with Jessica Huang's Taiwanese husband.

    Hollywood painting Asian men as being that extremely in demand by White women is as realistic as the shows and movies that portray all Blacks as rocket scientists.

    Master of None was created by Ansari. That’s why it shows him as attractive. He cast himself. If you create a show, you control the casting.

    In real life, South Asians are the least believable sex symbols. Even East Asian men are a notch above them. However, East Asian men are seen as having stoic personalities, so it’s hard to sexualize them. They’re not emotionally expressive enough.

    On Parks&Recreation (which was produced by someone else), Ansari was typecast as a South Asian guy who thinks he’s a pickup artist and fails miserably with women.

    That was the joke with Ansari (“Tom Haverford”).

    Fast&Furious has sort of made Asian men a bit cooler, due to their association with cars and tech gadgets.

    I wonder if Asians are becoming cool. All those gangster movies made Italians cool. The same happened with Irish and cop movies.

    Due to the rapidly growing Chinese market, expect to see a lot more Asian characters on tv and in the movies.

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    "However, East Asian men are seen as having stoic personalities, so it’s hard to sexualize them. They’re not emotionally expressive enough."

    East Asian men are cyborgs, that is why you could never have an East Asian version of The Fonz or Tony Manero for example with their mad swag.

    https://youtu.be/S0FphcAh3T8

    , @guest
    East Asians get to kick ass and be manly in martial arts movies, but I don't know whether those appeal to women. Bruce Lee could be a sex symbol, except for his height.

    South Asians don't even get that much. They don't get any cool swords, throwing stars, or crotch rockets. Just computers and elephants. There's the Kama Sutra, I suppose.

    By the way, I enjoy the broad range of Asian driving stereotypes. The mature ladies are slow and unsure of themselves, whereas the young males are speedy and reckless.

    , @lorta
    None are as cool as the samurai.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Fast and Furious was the first time which I thought a movie portrayed Asians as cool, I agree. I don't really have anything against villainous status.

    That said, I think acceptance of Asians as possible mates was largely due to anime more than anything in my experience, at the least. How I largely went about dating white girls, if I was looking for them, was to find women who shared an interest in anime.

    Modern Hollywood ramblings as Asian in skin only, and part of some stupid agenda - Walking Dead's Glenn being a star example. He's a deracinated individual who they wanted to intentionally emphasize street smarts, former thuggery, and lack of academic skills, because let's all be cool and edgy, and completely miss the point. Sigh.

    Since I rather would be with girls who could accept me for being who I was, including "stereotypes" that had a lot of truth, women who took their models of Asian media including the entire "gambatte" culture and general acceptance of high levels of "nerdiness" worked out better in my experience.
    , @Stan Adams
    I don't know how old you are, but I grew up watching this show:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luYfiKxqFiU#t=6m40s

    Ninja flicks were plentiful in American video stores in the early '90s. Certainly I saw more than my fair share.

    We had this movie on VHS:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_RHwy0LAyI

    When I was maybe eight or nine, I used to watch the opening credits over and over again - I'd play the tape to the end of the song, and then rewind so I could see it again.

    By the time I was a teenager, my mother had developed a thing for authentic Asian movies. (She's always had a thing for movies, period, especially horror flicks. But` She even went so far as to buy a VCD player.) She must have bought hundreds of titles.
    , @Stan Adams
    The Asians in ninja and karate flicks have always been cool.

    I don't know how old you are, but I grew up watching this show:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luYfiKxqFiU#t=6m40s

    By the time I was a teenager, my mother had developed a thing for Asian movies. She bought hundreds of titles, including everything that Andy Lau had made up to that time (late '90s). She even went so far as to buy a VCD player and a multi-region DVD player.

    She's always had a thing for movies, period, especially horror flicks. She hoards media. I grew up in a house crammed to the gills with reading material (books, magazines, newspapers), watching material (Betamax and VHS tapes, laserdiscs, and, when they came out, DVDs), and listening material (vinyl, cassettes, and CDs).

    The lamest Asian cuck ever committed to celluloid is Brandon Lee's character (I forget his name) in Showdown in Little Tokyo. He goes so far as to compliment Dolph Lundgren on his male endowment.
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  98. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Not really.

    TV shows typecast South Asian men as sexually unattractive and awkward.

    Raj from Big Bang Theory, Aziz Ansari from Parks&Recreation, Apu from the Simpsons.

    Sometimes they also get typecast as corrupt, nefarious types (Gatsby, Spider-Man, Jurassic Park) or some sort of Mid Eastern terrorist.

    One show did have this Paki kid (Riz Ahmed) cast as a surfer dude who gets Lena Dunham's character pregnant. However, Lena Dunham is a hideous whale, so I'm not sure if that's something to be bragging about.

    As for Master of None, it was created by Ansari. So he gave himself a role as a romancer. It'd be like if I created a movie and made myself the hero.

    South Asian guys seem to be particularly good at winning roles in which comedic value is important (Nayyar, Ansari, Apu, Kal Penn, Minhaj, and that Paki guy from Silicon Valley). Remember "Screech" from Save By the Bell and "Paul Pfeiffer" from Wonder Years? These days, those roles would go to Indian/Paki guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsABTmT1_M0

    “Remember “Screech” from Save By the Bell and “Paul Pfeiffer” from Wonder Years?”

    I remember there were rumors that Paul Pfeiffer grew up to become the circus freak show that is Marilyn Manson. Remember when some people blamed his dark degenerate music for Columbine? I think it was some Evangelical pastors.

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    "Paul" grew up to become a Yale graduate and partner in a law firm. His real name is Josh Saviano. One of the more successful child actor-turned-adult stories.
    , @Gunnar von Cowtown

    I remember there were rumors that Paul Pfeiffer grew up to become the circus freak show that is Marilyn Manson.
     
    Not true. This is a textbook example of the "telephone game" gone awry.

    Dez Fafara was the lead singer for Coal Chamber, a late-90s nu metal band with a similar look and aesthetic to Marilyn Manson. His father was a child actor who appeared in a few episodes of "Leave It To Beaver".
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    How do you mention "Saved by the Bell" in a thread like this, and not bring up the show's half-Asian lead, Mark Paul Gosselaar (Zack)?
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  99. @AMWF
    Here is the actual Pew Research study instead of an article :

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/18/intermarriage-in-the-u-s-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/

    "Is Love Colorblind?" Still Valid After 20 Years"

    Lots of things have changed in 20 years for Asian-Americans including the tremendous growth of South Asians in the US to the point where they are about 1/3rd of the Asian-American population and Indians will surpass the Chinese as the largest Asian-American ethnic group in the US in the next decade. Indians (and in particular Indian men) have the lowest rates of intermarriage in the US. As stated in the actual study in the notations :

    "Asian Americans are an incredibly diverse group, with varying histories in the U.S. and very different demographic and economic profiles. For a more detailed look at Asian American subgroups and their intermarriage patterns, see “The Rise of Asian Americans”".

    Some other notable points from the study, a huge reason for high rate of intermarriage for Asian females are because of older females above the age of 40. More than half of newlywed Asian women in their 40s intermarry (56%) and (46%) of those 50 and older. In addition, while Asian female outmarriage has stayed a static 36%, the Asian male outmarriage rates has increased dramatically.

    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2013) : 16%
    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2015) : 21%
    US-born Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2010) : 41.7%

    Some other notable points from the study, a huge reason for high rate of intermarriage for Asian females are because of older females above the age of 40. More than half of newlywed Asian women in their 40s intermarry (56%) and (46%) of those 50 and older. In addition, while Asian female outmarriage has stayed a static 36%, the Asian male outmarriage rates has increased dramatically.

    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2013) : 16%
    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2015) : 21%
    US-born Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2010) : 41.7%

    When Asian women divorce their husbands, they often remarry white men who appreciate their relative youthful appearance and thinness. Their husbands go back to the homeland and acquire a young mistress or wife.

    By the way, there’s this view of Asian men as monogamous. They’re not. Lots acquire a younger girl when they get older and economically establish themselves. That’s one reason for the divorces. Americans attach a lot more important to monogamy than Asians.

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    Monogamy, whether in practice or merely in theory, has always been something of a Western peculiarity. Historically, pretty much every other culture has been polygamous: the one-man many-wives kind. It was only with the spread of European imperialism and colonization that the rest of the world had started adopting monogamy as an ideal.

    With the oncoming suicide of the West, we can all look forward to the return of polygamy, harems, concubinage and warlordism. Indeed, this has already happened in the more African and Muslim parts of the "West".
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  100. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Master of None was created by Ansari. That's why it shows him as attractive. He cast himself. If you create a show, you control the casting.

    In real life, South Asians are the least believable sex symbols. Even East Asian men are a notch above them. However, East Asian men are seen as having stoic personalities, so it's hard to sexualize them. They're not emotionally expressive enough.

    On Parks&Recreation (which was produced by someone else), Ansari was typecast as a South Asian guy who thinks he's a pickup artist and fails miserably with women.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foNxKbp9lOM

    That was the joke with Ansari ("Tom Haverford").

    Fast&Furious has sort of made Asian men a bit cooler, due to their association with cars and tech gadgets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHrs2TkA6eo

    I wonder if Asians are becoming cool. All those gangster movies made Italians cool. The same happened with Irish and cop movies.

    Due to the rapidly growing Chinese market, expect to see a lot more Asian characters on tv and in the movies.

    “However, East Asian men are seen as having stoic personalities, so it’s hard to sexualize them. They’re not emotionally expressive enough.”

    East Asian men are cyborgs, that is why you could never have an East Asian version of The Fonz or Tony Manero for example with their mad swag.

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  101. guest says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s the tall, dark stranger phenomenon.
     
    Hate to break it to you, sport, but it's the constant, every-waking-hour brainwashing phenomenon.

    That too.

    Your point is especially strong because there’s no equivalent effort to sell black women to white men. Black ladies get to be powerful authority figures, and you’ll even see people like Viola Davis sex it up on tv. But no one takes that too seriously.

    Black males, on the other hand, are the epitome of coolness. They get to be manly, bad boyish, athletic, and good dancers and singers, with, um, other attributes. Everything that tickles a woman’s naughty parts.

    Black ladies get to be strippers and prostitutes, though.

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  102. guest says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Master of None was created by Ansari. That's why it shows him as attractive. He cast himself. If you create a show, you control the casting.

    In real life, South Asians are the least believable sex symbols. Even East Asian men are a notch above them. However, East Asian men are seen as having stoic personalities, so it's hard to sexualize them. They're not emotionally expressive enough.

    On Parks&Recreation (which was produced by someone else), Ansari was typecast as a South Asian guy who thinks he's a pickup artist and fails miserably with women.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foNxKbp9lOM

    That was the joke with Ansari ("Tom Haverford").

    Fast&Furious has sort of made Asian men a bit cooler, due to their association with cars and tech gadgets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHrs2TkA6eo

    I wonder if Asians are becoming cool. All those gangster movies made Italians cool. The same happened with Irish and cop movies.

    Due to the rapidly growing Chinese market, expect to see a lot more Asian characters on tv and in the movies.

    East Asians get to kick ass and be manly in martial arts movies, but I don’t know whether those appeal to women. Bruce Lee could be a sex symbol, except for his height.

    South Asians don’t even get that much. They don’t get any cool swords, throwing stars, or crotch rockets. Just computers and elephants. There’s the Kama Sutra, I suppose.

    By the way, I enjoy the broad range of Asian driving stereotypes. The mature ladies are slow and unsure of themselves, whereas the young males are speedy and reckless.

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  103. Whoever says:
    @prole
    My wife is from Chile, according to DNA test she is 12% Amerindian...but she denies it, believes the test is not acurate, so we tested her mother, mother is 26% amerindian..brother is 14% Amerindian..they still maintain they are 100% european. It is very strange how they refuse to accept the results. My wife has a degree in biology from NYU, her brother has a degree in marine biology. Funny how so many North Americans claim native American anestry, despite no evidence , while South Americans will deny it despite the evidence. My wife would get furious if I told anyone she was part indian.

    Funny how so many North Americans claim native American anestry, despite no evidence , while South Americans will deny it despite the evidence.

    Not really funny. Especially when you acknowledge that there are two countries in North America (or more specifically British North America) that have very different histories regarding Amerindians.
    In Latin America, the Indian civilizations collapsed quickly and the survivors became an underclass ruled over by a European-descended elite.
    In Canada, after the end of French rule, there was not much in the way of Indian resistance and they didn’t contribute much or detract much from the development of the country. They were just there.
    But in America, the Indians fought back with everything they had not for years, not for decades, not for generations, but for centuries.
    And the resistance began at the beginning, so to speak, as they were whipping the Spanish at least as early as 1513, when the Timucua drove Ponce de Leon off near present-day St. Augustine, Fla., and later that year the Calusa drove him out of San Carlos Bay, Fla. Four years later Hernando de Cordoba’s fleet, returning from a campaign against the Maya, dropped anchor in San Carlos bay to replenish water and supplies, but their landing party was driven off by the Calusa, who were described as “very big men with very long bows and good arrows.”
    Ponce de Leon and Cordoba returned to San Carlos Bay in 1521 with 200 soldiers, settlers and supplies to establish a colony. The Calusa again defeated and drove them off, killing both de Leon and Cordoba.
    Then there was the disastrous Navaraez expedition into northern Florida in 1527 with 600 soldiers, where the Spanish crossbows were no match for the Indians 7-foot long bows, as thick as a man’s arm, that could penetrate six inches of wood at 200 yards. Only four Spaniards survived the catastrophe.

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    In 1539, Hernando de Soto, who had been Francisco Pizarro’s chief military adviser and among the 168 who conquered the Inca empire, and a veteran of 15 years of warring against south-of-the Rio Grande Indians, landed in Tampa Bay with 330 infantry and 270 cavalry, most veterans of the Spanish conquests in the south. They had given up European armor and adopted Aztec quilted cotton armor covered with leather as more effective protection.
    They marched north reaching the Choctaw town of Mabila on the present site of Selma, Ala., which they assaulted and took after prolonged fighting, estimated having killed 2,500 inhabitants.
    But no Indian surrender ensued. Instead, they forced the Spaniards to retreat and harried them, the Chickasaw attacking and burning de Soto’s winter camp, inflicting severe losses. Ultimately, only about half of de Soto’s force survived the expedition — not including him.
    And so it went for hundreds of years, into the 20th century, if we count the 1911 Shoshone uprising, which was not called a “war” but a “riot,” as nomenclature was changed after Wounded Knee.
    It is remarkable that some 350 years after the Calusa crushed Ponce de Leon and Cordoba, the Sioux defeated Crook and annihilated Custer.
    So the American Indian earned respect and a place in our history that he does not have in Latin America or Canada. That’s even reflected in our language. Only the American armed forces to this day speak of going into Indian Country, and mean it ominously. Only American paratroopers legendarily shout “Geronimo!” as they leap from airplanes. Only a famous American general was named after an Indian. We speak of being off the reservation, and on the warpath. We Indian wrestle and walk Indian file. Indians are a part of, in today’s parlance, who we are in a way they are not in Canada or Latin America.
    Americans, at least those of old-settler stock, are not like Canadians or Latin Americans, either. They have an ornery character, especially those of Scotch-Irish ancestry who were our most legendary Indian fighters, a natural antagonism to the powers that be and a take-this-job-and-shove-it attitude. To them, Indians have a lot of admirable characteristics, real or mythical: stoicism, refusal to stay down or stay put, defiance, resistance… And many of those whose people were here from the beginning did fight Indians and some percent did marry into tribes.
    It’s interesting that no white would proudly say (well, until very recently) that he was part black, certainly if he actually had no black blood. If he did have black ancestors it would be something to be ashamed of and hidden. No old-stock Californian would boast that he was part Chinese — again, especially if he actually had no Chinese ancestry. But lots of white Americans, as you say, claim Indian ancestry even when they don’t have it, and have done so since long before there was affirmative action or any official advantage to doing so, and long after the fierce warrior of forest and plain had been replaced by the rez drunk.
    That is telling us something important about our country and our history. And I think it’s rather a good thing — that we don’t disparage those we displaced, but empathize with them, acknowledge their loss and try, in some way, to assuage it by claiming that we, too, are Indian, one with them, and one with our mutual land.

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  104. guest says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Not really.

    TV shows typecast South Asian men as sexually unattractive and awkward.

    Raj from Big Bang Theory, Aziz Ansari from Parks&Recreation, Apu from the Simpsons.

    Sometimes they also get typecast as corrupt, nefarious types (Gatsby, Spider-Man, Jurassic Park) or some sort of Mid Eastern terrorist.

    One show did have this Paki kid (Riz Ahmed) cast as a surfer dude who gets Lena Dunham's character pregnant. However, Lena Dunham is a hideous whale, so I'm not sure if that's something to be bragging about.

    As for Master of None, it was created by Ansari. So he gave himself a role as a romancer. It'd be like if I created a movie and made myself the hero.

    South Asian guys seem to be particularly good at winning roles in which comedic value is important (Nayyar, Ansari, Apu, Kal Penn, Minhaj, and that Paki guy from Silicon Valley). Remember "Screech" from Save By the Bell and "Paul Pfeiffer" from Wonder Years? These days, those roles would go to Indian/Paki guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsABTmT1_M0

    About the characters you mentioned: one was played by a Jew and the other at least a half-Jew. They played up Paul’s Jewishness on at least one Wonder Years episode (where he got bar mitzvahed), but I don’t know about Screech. He came off that way, but I also remember his mom being a die-hard Elvis fan, which doesn’t seem right.

    Anyway, are Asians stealing Jews’ nerdy friends roles? Can we use this fact to get Jews behind immigration control?

    By the way, funny thing about Paul on the Wonder Years is that the actor matured much faster than the lead, Fred Savage. He shot up in height, lost his glasses, and became fairly handsome. So they shifted his role from the allergy-prone geeky friend to a jockish guy who lost his virginity way before Kevin. (Well, not completely changed. He was still a tight-ass and smartypants.)

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    That happened to Anthony Michael Hall. The lovable scrawny kid suddenly turned into a handsome giant and that pretty much finished his career.

    A nice thing about the abundance of TV and movies these days is that nobody's career wholly vanishes: I look up Anthony Michael Hall on IMDB and he seems to be working steadily these days. I don't thing actors get paid all that much these days, but they get a lot of work.

    , @Jefferson
    "About the characters you mentioned: one was played by a Jew and the other at least a half-Jew."

    The actor who plays Paul Pfeiffer is half Italian and half Jewish. His name is Josh Saviano.
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  105. EricCh says:
    @SimpleSong
    Just some field notes on intermarriage:

    There seems to be a major class divide in terms of intermarriage--white males marrying Asian females tend to be relatively high educational attainment while the opposite is true of white female-black male pairings. While there is much gnashing of teeth on the alt-right about WF-BM marriages I think the real story is high status white men out-marrying.

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish. This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly--these guys (secular liberal Jews) don't just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don't detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don't know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.

    AF also don't really seem to virtue signal, and they seem to have a mindset about finances, child rearing, social norms, politics, etc. that is closer to the male average; I'm not sure if this is going to change as assimilation continues but for now I think WM appreciate this when looking for a partner.

    Lastly, high educational attainment individuals tend to get married later in life, say late twenties to early thirties. Asians spend their lives trying to avoid the sun while whites intentionally tan; sun damage starts to show up around then. Also as whites tend to have heavier builds often they are slightly overweight by their early thirties (both male and female.) As such when you reach that age often Asians of both sexes are looking much more youthful; however this is much more of an asset for females and they are able to snag relatively high status males of whatever race they choose.

    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I should note all this only applies to east Asians, south Asians are totally different.

    Mostly agree, just want to add some missing points
    1) Assortative mating is the true phenomenon here. People marry/date/socialize with who they go to school with or work with.
    combined earning based on 2010
    AMWF>WMAF>AMAF>WMHF>WMBF>WMWF>HMWF>BMWF>BMNF>HMHF
    2) AF marrying up or across, rarely marrying down
    3) AMWF couples are nowhere as common as WMAF couples. But most of those marriages, both of them are generally well educated, and most of those WFs seem to be thin/petite/pretty. Seem to me AM don’t cross the colorline for scrap. Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market. AM simply cannot handle those large and in charge type.

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    Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market.
     
    I sense that that is very true, and I wish there was more written about it.
    , @Lurker
    BMNF? Is that BMBF?

    And WMBF>WMWF? Really?

    , @Jefferson
    "Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market."

    On average it is a lot easier for an obese woman to get a boyfriend than it is for an obese man to get a girlfriend. Even a lot of obese women don't want to date an obese man.

    If you watch the reality show My 600 Pound Life the disgusting female cows on those shows always have a husband or boyfriend by their side, but the obese males on those shows rarely have a wife or girlfriend by their side.
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  106. @guest
    About the characters you mentioned: one was played by a Jew and the other at least a half-Jew. They played up Paul's Jewishness on at least one Wonder Years episode (where he got bar mitzvahed), but I don't know about Screech. He came off that way, but I also remember his mom being a die-hard Elvis fan, which doesn't seem right.

    Anyway, are Asians stealing Jews' nerdy friends roles? Can we use this fact to get Jews behind immigration control?

    By the way, funny thing about Paul on the Wonder Years is that the actor matured much faster than the lead, Fred Savage. He shot up in height, lost his glasses, and became fairly handsome. So they shifted his role from the allergy-prone geeky friend to a jockish guy who lost his virginity way before Kevin. (Well, not completely changed. He was still a tight-ass and smartypants.)

    That happened to Anthony Michael Hall. The lovable scrawny kid suddenly turned into a handsome giant and that pretty much finished his career.

    A nice thing about the abundance of TV and movies these days is that nobody’s career wholly vanishes: I look up Anthony Michael Hall on IMDB and he seems to be working steadily these days. I don’t thing actors get paid all that much these days, but they get a lot of work.

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    Yeah, I remember Hall playing the brawny bully in Edward Scissorhands and thinking, "Isn't that the scrawny nerd from Sixteen Candles?"
    , @Triumph104
    After receiving an Academy Award in 2009, the actress Monique went five years without an acting role. I thought she had been blackballed for diva behavior during the 2009 awards season, but actually she received several offers. The problem was the low pay for the roles. The pay was the same as before she had won the Oscar.

    A few days ago Monique went off on the people associated with the movie Precious - Lee Daniels, Tyler Perry, and Oprah Winfrey.

    WARNING -- NSFW (LINK)

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  107. guest says:
    @Steve Sailer
    That happened to Anthony Michael Hall. The lovable scrawny kid suddenly turned into a handsome giant and that pretty much finished his career.

    A nice thing about the abundance of TV and movies these days is that nobody's career wholly vanishes: I look up Anthony Michael Hall on IMDB and he seems to be working steadily these days. I don't thing actors get paid all that much these days, but they get a lot of work.

    Yeah, I remember Hall playing the brawny bully in Edward Scissorhands and thinking, “Isn’t that the scrawny nerd from Sixteen Candles?”

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  108. @Steve Sailer
    That happened to Anthony Michael Hall. The lovable scrawny kid suddenly turned into a handsome giant and that pretty much finished his career.

    A nice thing about the abundance of TV and movies these days is that nobody's career wholly vanishes: I look up Anthony Michael Hall on IMDB and he seems to be working steadily these days. I don't thing actors get paid all that much these days, but they get a lot of work.

    After receiving an Academy Award in 2009, the actress Monique went five years without an acting role. I thought she had been blackballed for diva behavior during the 2009 awards season, but actually she received several offers. The problem was the low pay for the roles. The pay was the same as before she had won the Oscar.

    A few days ago Monique went off on the people associated with the movie Precious – Lee Daniels, Tyler Perry, and Oprah Winfrey.

    WARNING — NSFW (LINK)

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    That's a lot of beef on the hoof.
    , @Ed
    Railing at the few black people that can successfully produce multimillion dollar films probably isn't going to help her much.

    Mo'nique doesn't have that unique of a look, easily replaced by Olivia Spencer or Viola Davis.
    , @Thea
    The idea that actors are held in such high esteem and make such disproportionately huge salaries is a bit of a historical anomaly.

    I'm not saying they all deserve the low status Romans or early Americans granted them but there was a good reason decent people didn't want to socialize with them.
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  109. guest says:

    I couldn’t follow that. Sounded like random ‘hood-speak. What is her beef, exactly? I wouldn’t be surprised if she got the shaft. But, really, winning an Oscar ain’t what it used to be.

    How many people actually saw Precious? I can imagine it was a hit for its genre, which was dirty, indie, ugly, domestic, street, bildungsromans drama. It made a cultural impact, partly because of its ridiculous title. (Based on the Novel “Push” by Safire.) But did the general public start thinking of Monique as a serious actress instead of an “Original Queen of Comedy?” Probably not.

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  110. @EricCh
    Mostly agree, just want to add some missing points
    1) Assortative mating is the true phenomenon here. People marry/date/socialize with who they go to school with or work with.
    combined earning based on 2010
    AMWF>WMAF>AMAF>WMHF>WMBF>WMWF>HMWF>BMWF>BMNF>HMHF
    2) AF marrying up or across, rarely marrying down
    3) AMWF couples are nowhere as common as WMAF couples. But most of those marriages, both of them are generally well educated, and most of those WFs seem to be thin/petite/pretty. Seem to me AM don't cross the colorline for scrap. Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market. AM simply cannot handle those large and in charge type.

    Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market.

    I sense that that is very true, and I wish there was more written about it.

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    I fear that only the upper middle class and above are keeping themselves thin anymore. When I see the public school kids walking down the street after school the obesity rate (and slovenliness) is the first thing that jumps out at you.
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  111. @üeljang
    It is only the female haafu who are considered to be especially attractive and are featured with disproportionately high frequency in Japanese media.

    Perhaps more female haafus are prominent, but the phenomenon is not exclusively female. The same thing occurs in Singapore.

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  112. Just a note about the word “miscegenation”: there’s no “mis-” in it (mis- in the sense of “bad”, eg misbehavior, misunderstanding…). It’s “misc” meaning “mixture” (eg miscellaneous).

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  113. Can anyone think of any Asian Male / Black Female couples?

    I used to frequent a bagel shop where the two employees were a large loud black lady and a slim passive Chinese kid. I wouldn’t be confident in betting who had the most testosterone.

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    They were quite common in the Caribbean but that was due to circumstances. In NYC, with its large Caribbean population, it wasn't uncommon to meet a black person with a surname of Chang, Chung etc

    I think Naomi Campbell & Tyson Beckford descend from such unions but it might be an urban legend.
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  114. LondonBob says:
    @Kaz
    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.

    Get a grip.

    A disproportionate number of white-black relationships, marriage is rare, in the UK are Irish white. White-black relationships seem to be largely an underclass thang.

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  115. LondonBob says:
    @verylongaccountname
    I went to a party at the house of a math professor recently. Every male assistant professor in the department (they are all white) has an asian wife or girlfriend. This was my experience in grad school as well. Just about every male math student I knew had a asian gf. The exception was a german student who was quite the player; he had 3 or 4 white girlfriends at a time.

    I think Asian girls represent an easier target for the stereotypical maths student. There is a clear type for the girls or guys amongst us white folk who cross the racial barrier.

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  116. @Steve Sailer
    I noticed a big difference in London between 1980 and 1987.

    Watch any UK TV for an appreciable time these days, and you might believe it is de rigueur, perhaps mandatory for at least part of every family.

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  117. robot says: • Website

    OT: James Wolcott attributes Norman Podhoretz’s neoconservatism to jealousy of Norman Mailer (or something) https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n10/james-wolcott/enemies-for-ever

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  118. LondonBob says:
    @SimpleSong
    Just some field notes on intermarriage:

    There seems to be a major class divide in terms of intermarriage--white males marrying Asian females tend to be relatively high educational attainment while the opposite is true of white female-black male pairings. While there is much gnashing of teeth on the alt-right about WF-BM marriages I think the real story is high status white men out-marrying.

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish. This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly--these guys (secular liberal Jews) don't just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don't detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don't know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.

    AF also don't really seem to virtue signal, and they seem to have a mindset about finances, child rearing, social norms, politics, etc. that is closer to the male average; I'm not sure if this is going to change as assimilation continues but for now I think WM appreciate this when looking for a partner.

    Lastly, high educational attainment individuals tend to get married later in life, say late twenties to early thirties. Asians spend their lives trying to avoid the sun while whites intentionally tan; sun damage starts to show up around then. Also as whites tend to have heavier builds often they are slightly overweight by their early thirties (both male and female.) As such when you reach that age often Asians of both sexes are looking much more youthful; however this is much more of an asset for females and they are able to snag relatively high status males of whatever race they choose.

    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I should note all this only applies to east Asians, south Asians are totally different.

    Very true, Black Jewish couples seem disproportionately common.

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  119. LondonBob says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    True. Hollywood and the fashion industry make a difference.

    Good-looking men and women are also attracted to the beach, sun, coast, and nightlife. That's why there are so many attractive people along the coastal areas of California, but almost none in the Central Valley. That's also why SoCal people are prettier than those in NorCal. NorCal does have a more intellectual demographic though, while the CV has nothing except heat and ugly geography.

    Florida did well too on the survey. I think it's got a lot of the same features as California, just with far worse humidity and uglier natural scenery. So it ends up being a trashier version of California.

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.

    Gay men select models for fashion, straight men for pornography hence the boyish fashion models, wasn’t there even a trans Croatian male modelling women’s clothing, and the more curvy women found in porn.

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  120. The Hispanics when it comes to White/Hispanic pairings tend to look just like their white counterparts; the only way you could really tell they’re Hispanic is their name. Not surprised that this is the most common pairing.

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    I'm a white guy, and for a while back in the 80s I had a number of Mexican-American girlfriends. Back then, the cultural distance wasn't what it is today (thanks to out of control immigration, the typical Mexican-American in LA & Orange County today is more "Mexican" than American, the reverse of what it was back then). I did not consider what I was doing to be interracial or inter-ethnic any more than dating a girl of Greek or Italian ancestry would have been.

    The one lesson I did learn is that is that many, if not most Latin women have a really quick temper and that life with them is one shit test after another after another.
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  121. Regarding seeing more “cool” Asians: a lot of entertainment industry writers use characters as wish fulfillment. See: Judd Apatow’s movies which have affable unambitious nerds who land hotties.

    That is preferable to the “guess who’s coming to dinner” idea for a couple generations where they had WF/BM pairings. It’s so boring and overdone that it no longer has its subversive value, which explains why Hollywood has been moving away from that the last few years.

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    See: Judd Apatow’s movies which have affable unambitious nerds who land hotties.
     
    I wouldn't underestimate the utility of affability in landing desirable partners. Men and women who can fend for themselves financially, but are, non-coincidentally, in high-pressure jobs, are likely to want low maintenance partners. Affability is a big part of that. Clashing egos are not.
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  122. unit472 says:

    Since marriage itself is becoming a middle class and up institution, Charles Murray’s point that the US is dividing itself based on IQ maybe becoming even more relentless despite increased intermarriage.

    No mention of marriage fraud either. Illegal immigrants tend to be heavily male so there is a demand for US women willing to marry a mestizo or Muslim migrant both for legal status and to have some sort of female companionship.

    I’m curious how Pew mined this data. I note, e.g., Florida no longer lists race on its marriage licenses and even when it did ( up till the early 1990′s) the designation Hispanic didn’t tell you much. Might mean a white American married a Cuban Ileana Ros-Lehtinen or Desi Arnez.I also suspect fair skinned ‘black’ females do much better in the marriage market than dark skinned ones.

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  123. lorta says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Master of None was created by Ansari. That's why it shows him as attractive. He cast himself. If you create a show, you control the casting.

    In real life, South Asians are the least believable sex symbols. Even East Asian men are a notch above them. However, East Asian men are seen as having stoic personalities, so it's hard to sexualize them. They're not emotionally expressive enough.

    On Parks&Recreation (which was produced by someone else), Ansari was typecast as a South Asian guy who thinks he's a pickup artist and fails miserably with women.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foNxKbp9lOM

    That was the joke with Ansari ("Tom Haverford").

    Fast&Furious has sort of made Asian men a bit cooler, due to their association with cars and tech gadgets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHrs2TkA6eo

    I wonder if Asians are becoming cool. All those gangster movies made Italians cool. The same happened with Irish and cop movies.

    Due to the rapidly growing Chinese market, expect to see a lot more Asian characters on tv and in the movies.

    None are as cool as the samurai.

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  124. lorta says:

    I suspect penis size has something to do with white women marrying blacks and asian women marrying whites.

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    Perception of penis size, maybe. Women, I find, are bad at eyeballing relative size. Stereotypes probably do the work.

    Not that I've studied the subject intensively, but I get the feeling most surveys disagree on who has bigger junk: whites or blacks. Asians usually end up on the bottom. Averaging out a bunch of surveys, I imagine if blacks end up above whites, it's probably not by a very wide margin.
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  125. @God Emperor Putin
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    This subreddit has to be seen to be believed. It's filled with hapas (half white half Asians) who HATE white male asian female couples. The hapa males want to hookup with Asian females but those evil white men keep taking them, so they blame racism. They call Asian females "white worshippers" and white men just want Asian females because they are submissive, or something.

    The reality is that Asian men and hapas are short and white men are taller. But they won't accept this, so it's racism to blame.

    They also worship AMWF couples as some sort of divine entity that overcomes racism.

    For Asian Husband/Hu-white Wife, see Francia Fukuyama and ux. Wife if from my hometown, from a very intellectual family. Mom was avid reader of pre-purge NR. Girl was cute but no cheerleader

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  126. Numinous says:

    Hispanics and South Asians were officially white until later

    Really? There was a Supreme Court case in 1923 where an Indian tried to argue he was a Caucasian, and hence eligible for naturalization. The Court denied his plea on the grounds that he wasn’t white and therefore couldn’t be Caucasian either (according to the “common man”‘s definition.)

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  127. Thea says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    True. Hollywood and the fashion industry make a difference.

    Good-looking men and women are also attracted to the beach, sun, coast, and nightlife. That's why there are so many attractive people along the coastal areas of California, but almost none in the Central Valley. That's also why SoCal people are prettier than those in NorCal. NorCal does have a more intellectual demographic though, while the CV has nothing except heat and ugly geography.

    Florida did well too on the survey. I think it's got a lot of the same features as California, just with far worse humidity and uglier natural scenery. So it ends up being a trashier version of California.

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.

    The fashion industry is run by gay men. They find those features appealing.

    Florida also has a higher obeisity rate than Cali.

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  128. Yak-15 says:

    OT

    Construction-themes parties for fraternities under construction are now officially racist and demand immediate retaliation. UChicago Fraternity has “fuck racism” spray painted on its house.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32656/

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  129. @syonredux

    “We’re more likely to view Asian and Hispanic and white as intercultural marriages — they see themselves crossing a cultural barrier more so than a racial barrier,” she said. But a marriage between a black person and a white person crosses a racial color line, “a much more difficult line to cross.”
     
    Cf how porn uses the term "interracial." It's rarely used for White-Asian and Anglo-Hispanic couples. Instead, it's chiefly reserved for sexual relations involving Blacks and another race.

    The Pornstein Brothers Industry is heavily focused on a chocolate factory men porking nubile blondes.

    In the past, Smart Glasses Mandingo Syndrom was reserved mostly for Dunhamlike looking, and therefore predictably rebeling- prone, creatures:

    Heartiste’s ominous chronicles on this topic are indicative of Weimerica’s today.

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  130. RonaldB says:
    @prole
    Is Ted Cruz counted in these stats...despite being a Canadian with 4 European grandparents he married outside his ethnic group...and his children will most likely marry whites, will they be counted as inter-ethnic ?

    Heidi Cruz looks pretty white to me, and her bio seems pretty typically white. What are you talking about? Or, are you saying Cruz is Hispanic, despite having a non-Hispanic mother?

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    Ted Cruz is considered hispanic...although he was raised in North America by american mother and never learned spanish....thus his marriage to Heidi is inter-ethnic despite the fact that they are both the same etthnicity, raised in the same culture. And both are 100% European...thus the category inter-ethnic is absurd and meaningless.

    My great grandfather was a German, born in Dresden, and married a slovic Hungarian from Bratislavia...this was a better example of an inter-ethnic marriage. They met in NYC and she was impregnated by him , thus forced the German to get married over the objections of his parents in 1921.
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  131. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @rw95
    This can only lead to intelligent comments...

    Q.E.D.

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  132. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Triumph104
    After receiving an Academy Award in 2009, the actress Monique went five years without an acting role. I thought she had been blackballed for diva behavior during the 2009 awards season, but actually she received several offers. The problem was the low pay for the roles. The pay was the same as before she had won the Oscar.

    A few days ago Monique went off on the people associated with the movie Precious - Lee Daniels, Tyler Perry, and Oprah Winfrey.

    WARNING -- NSFW (LINK)

    That’s a lot of beef on the hoof.

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  133. @anon
    That suggests to me that white people in South America are a lot more self-respecting then white people in North America are. Also here in Canada you should see the goodies and freebies available to Indians. Many whites play the "pretend-Indian" game to get in on the action. So some of it could be just self-interest too.

    Many whites play the “pretend-Indian” game to get in on the action. So some of it could be just self-interest too.

    I’m sure there’s some of that, but it’s not just that. Laugh at it if you will, but for a lot of wannabe authochon’s it fulfulls a deep psychological and religious space that they aren’t getting elsewhere. Of course they experience a cartoon, antho major version of native culture and spirituality, but I’ve seen countless crypto-Cherokees and pseudo Lakotas derive a sense of place and being. I’ve shared space with some full-blood, spoke the language natives in NAC ceremonies, so I can say I”ve been there, too.

    In the States, one explanation for at least a couple of generations of this kind of attraction certainaly has to be the Boy Scouts, the most philo-native organization ever- at least when they were big on stuff like the Order of the Arrow and real merit badge skills. Gateway if there ever was one.

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  134. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Truth

    In Ebonics saying the N word is the equivalent of saying the word “the”.
     
    N- Orange
    N- Paper towels
    N- Mediterranean Cruise
    N- Cell phone
    N- Can Opener
    N- Sriracha
    N- Checkbook
    N- Jackson Pollock Painting
    N- Stroll downtown
    N- Misunderstanding
    N- Bus Route...

    Jackson Pollock. Jackson Pollock. Jackson Pollock. The coloreds are always talking about their precious Jackson Pollock. No coincidence then that Jackie Robinson was number 5 then is it?

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  135. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Chrisnonymous
    Didn't read it, but in Japan halfs are considered very attractive and are featured on TV and in commercials. If you're hapa and want to marry Asian, you should move to Asia. If you hit the gym, you're golden.

    The squat toilet thing … I could never get past that.

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    It's anatomically advantageous. Baby steps...

    https://www.squattypotty.com
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  136. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    Good points...my grandparents were in an inter-ethnic marriage...Grandmother was German and Lutheran she married an Irish Catholic ..the Catholic church would not allow them to have the wedding in the church, they were married by a priest in the Church basement, Grandmom had to promise to raise her kids as Catholics. Her parents were not thrilled having an Irish Catholic son-in-law in 1940.

    Are Jew -gentile marriages counted as inter-ethnic in these stats ? How about Hindu-Chinese , which could be described as asian-Asian ?

    My parents were mixed: North Tipperary and South Tipperary, they overcame it but the gulf is greater than you think. Viking vs. Celt and all that. Love triumphs in the end.

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  137. prole says:

    Many Hollywood white actors married hispanics , such as Matt Damen, Alec Baldwin, Orson Wells, Clint Eastwood, Mathews McConaughey, Ryan Gosling, Christian Slater, Robert Duval, John Wayne (all 3 of his wives)

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    And the Duke converted to Romish popery on his death bed.
    , @Alden
    Rita Hayworth was not exactly Hispanic. She had 3 Irish grandparents and 1 Spanish, not Indian grandparent. Haworth was her Irish paternal grandfathers name and she and her mother had natural auburn hair which they dyed black for the Dancing Casinos show.
    , @bored identity
    Gee.

    Somebody was doing some serious Mexintermenship Lexus Nexus....
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  138. anon says: • Disclaimer
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    “What I suspect is happening are Western ideals about what feminity [sic] is and what masculinity is.”
     

    It’s funny how Asians and blacks have no agency. Only white people matter to sociologists.
     
    No, it's a cross ethnicity, culture wide thing. The author isn't just noting white preferences and it's definitely not just a white preference phenomenon. I've heard black women remark that Asian women are so cute and feminine while Asian men are neither cute nor masculine. Asian men are not considered as romantic prospects while the women are seen as desirable.

    I also know black women resent interracial dating as they perceive non-black women as "stealing" the good black men while they themselves are generally much less desirable + successful. Of course, there are many beautiful black women, that are highly desired by men of all races, but the average black woman is not. And some black men hold black women in low regard.

    Many if not most of the immigrant or second generation minority women marries outside of their ethnicity with whites mostly for money and safety. It’s not because they are the dream result of all characteristics they would love to have in a man. Once they are married they act to their stereotypes according to what their husbands are made of. If they are wimps, get ready to that gentle woman become hell.
    .
    It’s men who seeks characteristics in woman more than social position. And although you can find some rules in average (meek asian woman, workaholic hispanic woman, etc). It seems to work better among their own ethnicity and varies depending on the country they are and persons they live with. And let us notice once again, these “good” foreign characteristics do not seem to appear on America.
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    Western white man (be it american or european) marries asian woman expecting some servile wife ready to agree with everything he says, even if he lets her freely express her opinion. But then he finds out he’s incapable to make her wife show any respect for him because he himself is too mellow and stuck up in his beliefs that he’s gonna be a good ‘conservative’ family man. The asian woman knows that and have to take the reins most of the time, wearing the pants in the house. Their offspring becomes a mix of millenial american/european culture struggling with their maternal authority and abhorring the paternal ‘inherited evilness’ (and spineless attitude). Asian man are more serious and composed, they know how to show their authority to their wives. That’s why they comply with them.
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    The same for black woman who are much more authoritarian and much more vocal in their complaints. Even for a nonsense and affirmative white, marrying with a black woman is gonna bring much problems. Once married, they find the need to keep their man home and following the basic family rules (working, taking care of children). They don’t tolerate unruly or soft men, especially ones who try to impose themselves with no success. Black men, as much as they complain, are better off to become better persons behaving nicely under their black wives, since they are less into taking responsibility proactively for themselves (for most of them).
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    Latino woman are similar to anglo-american/european woman in true mild behavior. But their culture and society also demands a serious hold on their family sometimes. And latino woman are more likely to take advantage to every opportunity to better their economic and social status than whites at any means. That’s why even latino woman gang up against whites in the ‘evil whitey’ narrative.
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    Woman of a certain ethnicity are better off with men with the same ethnicity and of the same country preferably.

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    "Latino woman are similar to anglo-american/european woman in true mild behavior."

    You obviously have never been exposed to the Hispanic underclass. Hispanic women can be quite ghetto, obnoxious, and loud. There is nothing mild and docile about a Chola Chicana chick in Compton and a Boriqua chick in The South Bronx for example.
    https://youtu.be/kj7jueit2ho
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  139. mukat says:
    @God Emperor Putin
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    This subreddit has to be seen to be believed. It's filled with hapas (half white half Asians) who HATE white male asian female couples. The hapa males want to hookup with Asian females but those evil white men keep taking them, so they blame racism. They call Asian females "white worshippers" and white men just want Asian females because they are submissive, or something.

    The reality is that Asian men and hapas are short and white men are taller. But they won't accept this, so it's racism to blame.

    They also worship AMWF couples as some sort of divine entity that overcomes racism.

    Consider hapa siblings (East Asian – white mix):

    Hapa girls can grow up to date or marry billionaire whites (Twitter’s Williams, Google’s Brin twice, Uber’s Kalanick). Probably the most eligible bachelorettes in the country.

    Hapa boys have all the problems in finding a date that Asian-American boys do.

    A tough sibling dynamic between hapa brothers and sisters.

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  140. @Lurker
    'They'? Who would that be?

    And no, I don't agree.

    There are plenty of elderly Irish/British couples around and I've never heard any whispered tutting over the mixed nature of their relationship.

    That is a direct effect of the huge decline in church attendance. No one cares about religious differences any more because many folks have replaced God with secular substitutes like SJW politics or “the environment.”

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  141. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    For those interested, below is the link for interracial marriage statistics between different Asian American groups.

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

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    That is pretty informative data. Blows most of the suppositions being posted here on the topic. The single determinant seems to be whether the person is immigrant or native; other things are all peripheral. Asians are assimilating at more that 20% per generation; in about 5 generations, they will be statistically indistinguishable from various ethnic groups that came here around 1900 and are now generic "American".
    , @AnotherDad

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml
     
    Thanks Anonymous, the separate Asian nations breakout in there is interesting.

    Overall, pretty much what you expect:
    -- the least out-marrying are the Asian Indians, the most Koreans and esp. Filipinos
    -- out-marriage is wildly higher among the 2nd generation US raised cohort

    But always interesting to see some numbers.
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  142. @Jefferson
    "Remember “Screech” from Save By the Bell and “Paul Pfeiffer” from Wonder Years?"

    I remember there were rumors that Paul Pfeiffer grew up to become the circus freak show that is Marilyn Manson. Remember when some people blamed his dark degenerate music for Columbine? I think it was some Evangelical pastors.

    “Paul” grew up to become a Yale graduate and partner in a law firm. His real name is Josh Saviano. One of the more successful child actor-turned-adult stories.

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    Josh Saviano (Paul from the Wonder Years) has a Jewish mother and his Italian American father was a financial consultant, so it is no surprise that he ended up like he did (Yale, Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University).
    , @guest
    Wonder Years child actors ended up being successful and responsible adults. Winnie is semi-famous for writing math textbooks for teen girls. Fred Savage is a director on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, among other things. Plenty of bit characters went on to good careers, like Seth Green.

    Not all of Hollywood is invariably exploitative.
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  143. biz says:
    @SimpleSong
    Just some field notes on intermarriage:

    There seems to be a major class divide in terms of intermarriage--white males marrying Asian females tend to be relatively high educational attainment while the opposite is true of white female-black male pairings. While there is much gnashing of teeth on the alt-right about WF-BM marriages I think the real story is high status white men out-marrying.

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish. This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly--these guys (secular liberal Jews) don't just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don't detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don't know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.

    AF also don't really seem to virtue signal, and they seem to have a mindset about finances, child rearing, social norms, politics, etc. that is closer to the male average; I'm not sure if this is going to change as assimilation continues but for now I think WM appreciate this when looking for a partner.

    Lastly, high educational attainment individuals tend to get married later in life, say late twenties to early thirties. Asians spend their lives trying to avoid the sun while whites intentionally tan; sun damage starts to show up around then. Also as whites tend to have heavier builds often they are slightly overweight by their early thirties (both male and female.) As such when you reach that age often Asians of both sexes are looking much more youthful; however this is much more of an asset for females and they are able to snag relatively high status males of whatever race they choose.

    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I should note all this only applies to east Asians, south Asians are totally different.

    Your comment is absolutely true on several different points. It should be mandatory reading for people who presume to opine on interracial relationships.

    The perspective on Asian females being less cognitively female in the negative ways is on point. Many people focus on the supposed hyperfeminie and submissive appeal of AFs when discussing WMAF pairings, but ironically the appeal of many Western born AFs (not talking about internet brides here) is that they are less girly in behavior than WFs. For an educated, sensible, maybe STEM-oriented WM, there is a lot of appeal in a woman who can also understand the household budget and doesn’t think that a new pair of $300 designer heels is a necessity each month, and maybe even has a relatively high paying knowledge economy job.

    The same applies to South Asian females, perhaps even moreso – at least for the Brahmin and similar South Asian females that comprise the potentially datable market in the West. I don’t know if such stats are broken out so finely anywhere, but I would be willing to bet that the highest average socioeconomic status pairing of all is white male + South Asian female.

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    Elon Musk has been divorced three times, twice from the same woman. He comes across as autistic - a poor communicator and emotionally unavailable. I think he would have a more successful relationship if he dated or married an Asian woman, unfortunately he prefers white women, an emotionally demanding group.
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  144. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Le cœur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît pas.”

    (“The heart has its reasons, which reason cannot know”–Blaise Pascal)

    And let’s leave it at that.

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  145. anon says: • Disclaimer
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    This poll found that Indian men are perceived to have a more difficult time in dating than Asian men.

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130763973

    OKCupid response rates by race (Indian men do the worst): http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/race_affects/Reply-By-Race-Male.png

    Dating study (Indian men least popular): http://i.imgur.com/u3l3Wxh.png

    Indians also seem to have lower intermarriage rates than East Asian men too, both in Canada and the US.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-008-x/2010001/c-g/11143/c-g001-eng.gif

    Indian men intermarry less than most Asian ethnicites, in America: http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

    Indian/Paki men intermarry/intercohabit less (than Chinese men) in the UK too, but I have to find that data.

    So Asian men seem to be doing better than Indian-Paki men.

    So Asian men seem to be doing better than Indian-Paki men.

    A lot of them will eventually have arranged marriages so chasing women outside that is generally only for the short term (which influences the perceptions of those being chased).

    Some populations are mostly r, some mostly K and some mostly K with women from within their own in-group but r with those outside.

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    A lot of them will eventually have arranged marriages so chasing women outside that is generally only for the short term (which influences the perceptions of those being chased).
    Some populations are mostly r, some mostly K and some mostly K with women from within their own in-group but r with those outside.
     
    Up through their mid 20s, men (of all races) run an r-strategy. It's not like young White men and Asian men are particularly monogamous. Most women have no problem with that.

    If Indian men are being rejected, it's not because they're perceived as lacking commitment. It's because they're unattractive and awkward.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    One thing to remember is that Indian-Paki women are generally unattractive. They have big belly rolls and no fitness/exercise culture. They also have bloated cheeks and large hooked noses. Since their women aren't hot, Indian/Paki men are tempted to look to other races with better looking women. White-American women are by no means pretty, but they look good in comparison to Indian-Paki women. So it's logical to lust after them.

    Also, from the conversations I've had with Indian-Paki guys, I've been told their own women don't put out. Even after marriage, they don't put out. Apparently, in their culture, sex is considered shameful and something you only do to get children. So married couples rarely have sex. When they occasionally do, it's considered improper for the woman to express herself sexually, so their sex lives are painfully awkward and unpleasing.

    In their society, marriages are built around family life and children, not sexual pleasure.

    The Indian/Paki men tend to throw themselves into their work and watch porn for sexual relief. The H-1b visa guys can easily work 100 hour weeks because their wives don't expect (or want) them to come and have sex. As for the Indian/Paki women, they spend enormous amounts of time watching romantic Indian Bollywood soap operas and movies. I suppose it's their way of getting sexual release.

    So it'd make sense to go after women from more sexual races (such as white women).

    Another issue is that Indian (and to a lesser extent Asian) cultures are high-investment. So men are expected to be economically successful before they start courting a woman. Once they make their intentions serious, I believe they are locked into marriage. If they don't get married, there's parental/community ostracism. So they get locked into a "K strategy" with their own women.

    If you look that OKCupid chart I posted, Indian women actually respond to White men at a MUCH higher rate than their fellow Indian men. Indian women respond to White men at a much higher rate than even White and Asian women. So it seems that Indian women (probably these are 2nd generation) are following hypergamous mating strategy in which they have casual sex with white men, but then marry an Indian guy to keep the parents happy.
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  146. The stats are BS when Ted Cruz and his wife Heidi are considered an inter- ethic marriage…Ted grew up in Canada and Texas speaking English, has no Spanish language skills , raised by an American, culturally American like his wife.

    There are more ethnic differences when a Jew marries a Christian, or between an American like Trump and a Slovenian.

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  147. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @SimpleSong
    Just some field notes on intermarriage:

    There seems to be a major class divide in terms of intermarriage--white males marrying Asian females tend to be relatively high educational attainment while the opposite is true of white female-black male pairings. While there is much gnashing of teeth on the alt-right about WF-BM marriages I think the real story is high status white men out-marrying.

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish. This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly--these guys (secular liberal Jews) don't just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don't detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don't know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.

    AF also don't really seem to virtue signal, and they seem to have a mindset about finances, child rearing, social norms, politics, etc. that is closer to the male average; I'm not sure if this is going to change as assimilation continues but for now I think WM appreciate this when looking for a partner.

    Lastly, high educational attainment individuals tend to get married later in life, say late twenties to early thirties. Asians spend their lives trying to avoid the sun while whites intentionally tan; sun damage starts to show up around then. Also as whites tend to have heavier builds often they are slightly overweight by their early thirties (both male and female.) As such when you reach that age often Asians of both sexes are looking much more youthful; however this is much more of an asset for females and they are able to snag relatively high status males of whatever race they choose.

    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I should note all this only applies to east Asians, south Asians are totally different.

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish.

    Agree about the disproportion but 100% of a very low number is still a very low number.

    This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly–these guys (secular liberal Jews) don’t just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.

    Whatever the reason(s) behind it the media are clearly obsessed with making white people disappear – from the past, the present and the future.

    One of those reasons is the banking mafia – who own the media – want a world of 85 IQ slave cattle.

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    I read the Jewish Journal and other Jewish publications that are scattered around my neighborhood. There is a major push for Jewish men Chinese woman marriage. There are also numerous articles about the ancient history of Jewish communities in China and in Central Asia along the Silk Road.

    There is also a lot of propaganda about similarity between Jewish and Chinese culture of education, hard work, family values entrepreneurship lie cheat and steal etc. Somehow these articles never mention Jewish pro communism, pro black, pro school bussing, pro criminal, pro gay, transgender etc and other Jewish causes that the Chinese don't like.

    Being cynical and suspicious I believe that all that propaganda is preparation for a massive Jewish jump to China after they destroy America.

    They did a massive jump from Russia and Eastern Europe to the Americas Palestine and S Africa starting about 140 years ago.

    Dianne Feinstein's husband Richard Blum was the first American to invest in Chinese slave labor factories within months of the opening to China.
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  148. @JerryC
    28% of black-white couples being black woman/white man seems really high. I would have guessed 10% at most.

    28% of black-white couples being black woman/white man seems really high. I would have guessed 10% at most.

    There are definitely regional variations. In California, the split seemed to be about 90/10, as you describe. Here in South Dakota, it’s more like 50/50, or maybe 60/40 in favor of the BM/WF pairings.

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  149. Truth says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    True. Hollywood and the fashion industry make a difference.

    Good-looking men and women are also attracted to the beach, sun, coast, and nightlife. That's why there are so many attractive people along the coastal areas of California, but almost none in the Central Valley. That's also why SoCal people are prettier than those in NorCal. NorCal does have a more intellectual demographic though, while the CV has nothing except heat and ugly geography.

    Florida did well too on the survey. I think it's got a lot of the same features as California, just with far worse humidity and uglier natural scenery. So it ends up being a trashier version of California.

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.

    Too many words; correction:

    Good observation on models. Most models are boy

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  150. RW says:

    I tried to find Is Love Colorblind on the net a few months back and it was impossible. Where’s the link for it?

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    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2017/05/is-colorblind-by-steve-sailer-published.html
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  151. RW says:

    OK, that was a stupid question. Nevermind.

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  152. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Kaz
    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.

    Get a grip.

    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.

    Not true.

    There was a religious barrier (which varied in strength from place to place) – and a very strong class barrier (as most Irish immigrants were manual workers) but within blue collar communities where religion wasn’t too big an issue it was never a big deal.

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  153. CCR says:

    The thing about lower value white males getting with black women is that these guys when young all hold out hope of getting at least a 6, which these black females are not. If they were willing to date 1-4s there are plenty of fat or ugly white women available to them and these women have less attitude and no cultural differences they would have to contend with.

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  154. Tom-in-VA says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    True. Hollywood and the fashion industry make a difference.

    Good-looking men and women are also attracted to the beach, sun, coast, and nightlife. That's why there are so many attractive people along the coastal areas of California, but almost none in the Central Valley. That's also why SoCal people are prettier than those in NorCal. NorCal does have a more intellectual demographic though, while the CV has nothing except heat and ugly geography.

    Florida did well too on the survey. I think it's got a lot of the same features as California, just with far worse humidity and uglier natural scenery. So it ends up being a trashier version of California.

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.

    The gay men who run the fashion industry find them appealing. Also, most clothes look good on them.

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    "most clothes look good on them"

    Not true. Most clothes look nothing on them. They just hang there. Big fashion designers like that effect, because they think of fashion shows like they're modern art shows, or something, and model-types give them a flat, canvas-like surface. Also it's easier to put on a show or plan out an advertising campaign if you have only one body type to fit.

    None of that has much to do with inherent good-lookingness. We're beyond normal clothes-wearing at this point in High Fashion, and into Abstract Clothes territory. Clothes are supposed to fit human bodies, which come in different shapes, some of them actually feminine. High Fashion goes for some sort of Platonic Ideal of non-human clothes wearing.

    That's being generous. The other, more accurate conclusion would be that they simply despise femininity and like women to look like boys.
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  155. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Is love color blind? My opinion in one word, No.

    Intimate Partner Violence in Interracial and Monoracial Couples
    “Little research exists on IPV in interracial relationships. In an examination of violence within monoracial and interracial couples, Fusco (2010) utilized police-substantiated reports of IPV to analyze event and household characteristics. She found that rates of bidirectional IPV were higher among interracial couples compared to both racial minority and White couples. Interracial couples represented as many as 17.9% of substantiated events, and these couples were 1.5 times more likely to mutually assault each other than ethnic minority couples, and twice as likely as White couples to experience a mutual assault. Interracial couples were also more likely than their monoracial counterparts to report an arrest, prior abuse, and a victim injury as a result of the current event. However, the study was based on police reports; the findings may underestimate overall IPV and only represent more serious IPV. Therefore, the first goal of this study is to examine the level of IPV among interracial couples as compared to monoracial black and white couples using a representative sample. Based on cultural ecological theory and Fusco’s study, we propose that interracial couples experience higher levels of IPV than monoracial couples.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3611980/

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    found that rates of bidirectional IPV were higher among interracial couples compared to both racial minority and White couples.
     
    A potential problem with any study that lumps in "minorities" is you pick up--the outlying with respect to many other groups--black behavioral traits. It would be easy to believe "interracial couples" have higher levels of violence than monoracial ones, just because a larger percentage of them have a black partner than monoracial couples.

    Wasn't interested enough to read the thing, but scanning down i found this:


    Contrary to our first hypothesis, however, we found that the levels of IPV among interracial couples were not higher than among monoracial black couples. Our findings showed that interracial couples and monoracial black couples reported similar levels of IPV, both of which were higher than monoracial white couples.
     
    From this i'd glean that while there well could be some slight increase in violence in inter-racial couples, relative to mono-racial ones, what these folks actually measured is that any relationship involving blacks is more violent than one without them. Duh.
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  156. BB753 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    In their defense, they're at least unobjectionable. Their UK Paki cousins are equally unattractive, but with a much higher degree of assertiveness and sociopathy. So they end up running grooming rings with 12 year-olds.

    Pakis are like the worst race ever. They combine the extreme unattractiveness/awkwardness of Indians with the predatory sociopathy of Islam.

    Somalis and Gypsies could easily displace Pakistanis in that negative ranking. Or their cousins, the Afghans. (note: there’s also a non-trivial number of Muslim Gypsies).

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    Somalis and Gypsies could easily displace Pakistanis in that negative ranking.
     
    The Gypsies are a group--maybe the group--that best blows up the minoritarian narrative.

    The Gypsies are quite analogous to the Ashkenazi Jews--very tight endogamy, high hostility to the host populations. But the Jews looted "high" in various trading and rent-seeking occupations, while the Gypsies looted "low" in various borderline and outright criminal enterprises.

    The difference is that the Jews, while still mostly involved in "zero sum" middle man and rent-seeking activities--e.g. finance, trade, lawyering--plus a lot of negative sum ideological work, are also because their high IQs also doing some positive sum work in science, medicine and engineering that actually makes life better.

    Gypsies on the other hand, do none of that. They are basically entirely parasitic just preying on the host population criminally. Of course, you can't say "Hitler was right." But modern European states have no idea what to do with the Gypsies either. What can you do with a bunch of parasite people?

    Of course the real and humane solution is the same solution for all ethnic issues--separation/borders. Separate the parasite from the host. You don't need death camps and mass murder to do it. You just need borders. Give the gypsies a state somewhere, and let them do their gypsy stuff there. But keep them away from and hence unable to loot Europeans for their livelihood. As a result they'll have to evolve some non-parasitic form, not dependent on looting a host (or die off).

    In the mean time Gypsies actually serve the a useful role of pointing out that the minoritarian narrative is absolute nonsense.
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  157. @Autochthon
    This nomenclature goes beyond mere innumeracy; it is outright mendacity. We are less than ten percent of the population and rapidly decreasing; will we even be finally properly referred to as a minority when we are one percent of the population?

    This nomenclature goes beyond mere innumeracy; it is outright mendacity. We are less than ten percent of the population and rapidly decreasing; will we even be finally properly referred to as a minority when we are one percent of the population?

    I’m not trying to be a jerk, but it’s tad spergish to wonder why people aren’t using the Global figure. People care about the demographic make-up of their country, their state, their county/city, not what percentage Whites comprise of the world’s population. When people say “Whites are the majority population,” they mean in the USA, England, France, etc. You know, the countries where White people live.

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    Your reply and its perspective couldn't be any more helpful to their cause if it were written by Mugabe, Ellison, Jinping, Mukerjee, and company themselves.

    It's a shame you won't be around to rue it in two or three hundred years when France, England, and America also have populations less than ten per cent white. Perhaps your descendants will encounter your wisdom and roll their eyes on their way to Carousel or to celebrate the Great Leader's Qing Li's Assumption.
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  158. @Steve Sailer
    Right. That's one reason so many Asians moved to the San Gabriel Valley was so that their sons could meet Asian girls. I grew up with an Asian family across the street in the San Fernando Valley, but there aren't all that many more East Asians in the SFV today because they decided to congregate in the SGV.

    Steve,

    I am wondering if you have any recommendations as to where Northwestern-European descended people should live if they want to be around other Northwestern-Europeans descended people? If former Midwesterners reside there that would be a plus. I am specifically wondering about the Southern California region.

    Rancho Sante Fe in San Diego County or Del Mar, perhaps? I know it’s big $$. Rancho Bernardo used to be pretty good from what I hear. Maybe it still is.

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    I was going to suggest Pasasdena but it look like it has changed. How about the towns on the Palos Verdes peninsula?
    , @anon
    Northwestern U.S. (Washington, Oregon). Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Northern California may also work if you like less crowded places (and lots of empty space). But you should like H2O.
    , @AnotherDad

    I am wondering if you have any recommendations as to where Northwestern-European descended people should live if they want to be around other Northwestern-Europeans descended people?
     
    Good luck.

    Anon, is right that the NW is probably the best region. Less Seattle/Portland, but get over the mountains--and that solves the H2O problem he's talking about as well. Boise or Spokane or any of the major cities--still all very small--in Montana or Wyoming. (Washington and Wyoming also both have no income tax.) Those places look like great places to live and raise a family. But ultimately, you're just playing a run and hide game. If whites make a place boom ... the Mexicans and Asians will flock on in.

    The fundamental problem is that since Jewish minoritarianism was imposed, whites are simply not allowed to have their own stuff. Not their neighborhoods, not their nations. "Open societies" are the global law. They said so.

    Of course, the Chinese and Japanese aren't buying that crap no matter how much the Jews push it. So they will have their own nations for generations to come.

    But if the West is to survive, heck even if you just want your kids to find the city they grew up in to be ethno-culturally comfortable for raising their own kids, then Jewish minoritarian ideology is going to have to be faced and beaten. White people are going to have to restore basic freedom of association, and national borders if they want to survive.
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  159. I guess a quite simple econometric model of male attractivity with variables like bone mass and density, size of hands, height, muscle tone could explain a lot of the variance.

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  160. So, of marriages between Blacks and Whites, 28% involve a White husband and a Black wife.

    Shatters the myth that White men are disinclined to spend the kids’ birthdays brawling at Chuck E. Cheese.

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  161. prole says:
    @anon
    That suggests to me that white people in South America are a lot more self-respecting then white people in North America are. Also here in Canada you should see the goodies and freebies available to Indians. Many whites play the "pretend-Indian" game to get in on the action. So some of it could be just self-interest too.

    They do have special programs now in Chile for the amerindians, but although the average Chilean is 35% amerindian only 5% are considered indigenous. 45% of Chileans deny having any indio blood in recent surveys, while 80% of those living in Santiago claim to be 100% european, 20% acknowledge being mestizo.

    among the lower classes the typical Chilean is 50% indigenous, while the middle class is genetically 25% indio, and the upper class are typically 10% or less ameridian. Chile is more classist than racist, but the result is that people deny they have any amerindian blood, as the mestizos are at the bottom, less educated , poor, and the amerindians live outside the cities, isolated from Chilean society. My wife never knew or met an amerindian Chilean, nor she ever see a black person until she moved to New York city at the age of 21.

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    Well, racism comes with classism. Once you get a clear division of rich and poor in a former colony/immigrant country like Chile, you better realize which ancestry contributed more to the society, economy and culture. Plus, they were colonized by spanish, so there's limpieza de sangre around there.
    , @Flip
    I've been to Santiago a couple of times and went down to Puerto Montt once, and it seemed to me that the man on the street had a lot of Indian blood. I saw very few people that looked fully European to me.
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  162. Lurker says:
    @EricCh
    Mostly agree, just want to add some missing points
    1) Assortative mating is the true phenomenon here. People marry/date/socialize with who they go to school with or work with.
    combined earning based on 2010
    AMWF>WMAF>AMAF>WMHF>WMBF>WMWF>HMWF>BMWF>BMNF>HMHF
    2) AF marrying up or across, rarely marrying down
    3) AMWF couples are nowhere as common as WMAF couples. But most of those marriages, both of them are generally well educated, and most of those WFs seem to be thin/petite/pretty. Seem to me AM don't cross the colorline for scrap. Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market. AM simply cannot handle those large and in charge type.

    BMNF? Is that BMBF?

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  163. @guest
    Segregation is a huge factor. Plenty of sexless white beta males would settle for black females, even though they're at rock bottom in preference. But where do they meet? The races live in separate worlds, mostly. Main set-up/pick-up avenues, from circles or friends to community events to bars and clubs, just don't feature white men and black women intermingling.

    Once I worked with a couple of black ladies (at a mostly Hispanic, blue-collar job while I was in college), and lady A said of lady B, "You know, she's looking for a white boyfriend." I wasn't accustomed to having girls bandied about in that fashion (not since junior high, at least). But they're open, is the point, and I wouldn't have known had I not happened to work near a couple of them. (In a place where I was routinely called "gringo.")

    Now, black men are different. They're men, and they prize white women, so they'll hunt them down. Segregation isn't as large an obstacle. Plus, and I don't want to overstate their attraction to white women as people common do, but there is something drawing white women to black men that's utterly missing between white men and black women. It's the tall, dark stranger phenomenon.

    Still, they mostly pull lower class white girls (and Kardashians). White guys could get higher class black girls, but aren't motivated to hunt them down.

    I am a sub teacher in many schools within a couple districts that are about 18% black or so. It’s true that white women are prized. Most of the behavioral problems come from black students too, although I won’t get into that since it’s off topic.

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  164. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    I noticed a big difference in London between 1980 and 1987.

    The U.K. doesn’t enjoy a preponderance of American black men, as we do. American blacks are looked upon with sharp disdain in most of Western Europe. I suppose part of the problem is that the only American blacks who can afford a vacation there are going to tend to be nuevo riche rap artists and their friends, as well as the blacks who travel in the semi-pro basketball circuit there.
    They aren’t exactly Sidney Portier style blacks ala “To Sir, With Love.” Mostly semi-literate ghetto shitheels, who even the English blacks tend to despise. I noticed a bit of white girl negrophelia in Holland, of all places. They have white girls there who follow players in the semi-pro basketball circuit about Europe, and even back to the United States, like Susan Sarandon in “Bull Durham.”
    I knew one Dutch girl who was doing that. Her black boyfriend was 6’6″, 249 lbs. A real illiterate hoodrat. If he wasn’t playing basketball, he’d be washing cars. He completely dominated her, and would even beat the hell out of her on occasion. She didn’t care. She followed him everywhere like a dog. Spent all her money trying to keep up with him. She had girlfriends who did the same thing. They ran in a little crew. Sad.

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  165. Lurker says:
    @guest
    Segregation is a huge factor. Plenty of sexless white beta males would settle for black females, even though they're at rock bottom in preference. But where do they meet? The races live in separate worlds, mostly. Main set-up/pick-up avenues, from circles or friends to community events to bars and clubs, just don't feature white men and black women intermingling.

    Once I worked with a couple of black ladies (at a mostly Hispanic, blue-collar job while I was in college), and lady A said of lady B, "You know, she's looking for a white boyfriend." I wasn't accustomed to having girls bandied about in that fashion (not since junior high, at least). But they're open, is the point, and I wouldn't have known had I not happened to work near a couple of them. (In a place where I was routinely called "gringo.")

    Now, black men are different. They're men, and they prize white women, so they'll hunt them down. Segregation isn't as large an obstacle. Plus, and I don't want to overstate their attraction to white women as people common do, but there is something drawing white women to black men that's utterly missing between white men and black women. It's the tall, dark stranger phenomenon.

    Still, they mostly pull lower class white girls (and Kardashians). White guys could get higher class black girls, but aren't motivated to hunt them down.

    Still, they mostly pull lower class white girls (and Kardashians).

    If the Kardashians aren’t lower class then the lower class no longer exists.

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    They've got money, they're famous, and they're hooked into powerful industries: entertainment and fashion. They don't act high-class, but the higher class in the U.S. is known for aping the lower classes. Or at least the celebrity part of it is.
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  166. @God Emperor Putin
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    This subreddit has to be seen to be believed. It's filled with hapas (half white half Asians) who HATE white male asian female couples. The hapa males want to hookup with Asian females but those evil white men keep taking them, so they blame racism. They call Asian females "white worshippers" and white men just want Asian females because they are submissive, or something.

    The reality is that Asian men and hapas are short and white men are taller. But they won't accept this, so it's racism to blame.

    They also worship AMWF couples as some sort of divine entity that overcomes racism.

    So sad.

    Life would be so easy for half-Asian men if they’d just move back to their homelands. Fluent native English and an American education go very far in Asia and the whole universe of same-ethnicity Asian girls is open to them, not just the adventuresses that go for pure white men.

    But their single-minded obsession that the beauty of the white Aryan woman must not perish from their circle of opportunities ruins them for their half-co-ethnics.

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    maybe they would like to live where their family lives and where they were raised and still marry
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    And where would those "homelands" be? I guarantee you they would be less accepted in Asian countries than here.

    You know who else I feel bad for? The white guys with Asian wives. What's the solution here, aborting all of their male children?
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  167. So I started a list of United States Senators in interracial marriages:

    Democrats
    Kamala Harris (CA BF-WM)
    Brian Schatz (HI AF-WM)
    Tammy Duckworth (IL AF-WM)
    Catherine Cortez Masto (NV HF-WM)
    Bob Menendez (NJ-divorced w/ kids WF-HM)

    Republicans
    ‘Lyin” Ted Cruz (TX WF-HM)
    ‘Little’ Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)
    Mitch ‘The Tortoise’ McConnell (KY AF-WM)

    (Of course, we don’t know much about gay senators like Lindsay Graham, Tammy Baldwin, and Cory Booker, but at least one is rumored to be hooking up with interracial partner(s).)

    Looks like a fair cross-section of American interracial relationships and includes about 10% of all married senators. That seems like a pretty high share considering the average age of senators puts them into a much older generation. And I could have missed a couple, so there might be even more.

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    "Little’ Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)"

    Marco Rubio's wife is from Colombia.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    It was around 20 or so years ago, that some neocon commentator mentioned that, for all the Left's celebration of interracial love, the only interracial marriages he could think of among top Washington figures were two Republicans, Phil Gramm and Clarence Thomas.

    So the glandscape has changed in the meantime.


    ...about 10% of all married senators. That seems like a pretty high share considering the average age of senators puts them into a much older generation.
     
    Before Jimmy Carter burst (shelled?) on the scene, virtually all politicians campaigned and governed with their formal names, not diminutives. That has turned upside-down, with very few today going formal. Jesse Ventura even governed under a stage name.

    It seems like something similar has happened with political coalburning. But I doubt it will rise much faster or further.

    (I see I wrote that in a hurry. I'm not implying that Phil Gramm and Clarence Thomas are secretly married!)


    (Of course, we don’t know much about gay senators like Lindsay Graham, Tammy Baldwin, and Cory Booker, but at least one is rumored to be hooking up with interracial partner(s).)
     
    You don't mean to suggest that Lindsay might be the William Rufus Devane "Nancy" King of the 21st century?
    , @prosa123
    Catherine Cortez Masto is only half Latin and looks white. Her marriage is IINO (Interracial in Name Only).
    Kamala Harris is mixed black and South Asian but surprisingly light. She would not be considered black in literally any country in the world except the United States.
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  168. @JohnnyWalker123
    True. Hollywood and the fashion industry make a difference.

    Good-looking men and women are also attracted to the beach, sun, coast, and nightlife. That's why there are so many attractive people along the coastal areas of California, but almost none in the Central Valley. That's also why SoCal people are prettier than those in NorCal. NorCal does have a more intellectual demographic though, while the CV has nothing except heat and ugly geography.

    Florida did well too on the survey. I think it's got a lot of the same features as California, just with far worse humidity and uglier natural scenery. So it ends up being a trashier version of California.

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.

    Straight men don’t find them appealing. Which makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in the fashion industry.

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    The model body is a gay man's androgyne fantasy.
    , @Anonymous
    Women find them and the way they look in clothes appealing, so models are effective at selling clothes and other things to women.
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  169. chucho says:
    @SimpleSong
    Just some field notes on intermarriage:

    There seems to be a major class divide in terms of intermarriage--white males marrying Asian females tend to be relatively high educational attainment while the opposite is true of white female-black male pairings. While there is much gnashing of teeth on the alt-right about WF-BM marriages I think the real story is high status white men out-marrying.

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish. This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly--these guys (secular liberal Jews) don't just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don't detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don't know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.

    AF also don't really seem to virtue signal, and they seem to have a mindset about finances, child rearing, social norms, politics, etc. that is closer to the male average; I'm not sure if this is going to change as assimilation continues but for now I think WM appreciate this when looking for a partner.

    Lastly, high educational attainment individuals tend to get married later in life, say late twenties to early thirties. Asians spend their lives trying to avoid the sun while whites intentionally tan; sun damage starts to show up around then. Also as whites tend to have heavier builds often they are slightly overweight by their early thirties (both male and female.) As such when you reach that age often Asians of both sexes are looking much more youthful; however this is much more of an asset for females and they are able to snag relatively high status males of whatever race they choose.

    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I should note all this only applies to east Asians, south Asians are totally different.

    AFWM is epidemic in my little corner of the world (urban area+IT+finance). Seems to have exploded in the last 10 years among couples in 20s/30s. Rarely see South Asian / White pairings though, and if so, it’s always white female. High-status South Asian guys who exclusively date WFs seem to settle for much less than the average WM would.

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    South Asian women in general are extremely loyal to their peoples and culture. Many, if not most, would rather stay single than settle down with a man of another race. The men, on the other hand, seem to love them some white poon, both inside and outside of marriage.
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    Rarely see South Asian / White pairings though, and if so, it’s always white female. High-status South Asian guys who exclusively date WFs seem to settle for much less than the average WM would.
     
    That's because South Asian men are less sexually attractive. So they have to settle if they want a white female. If you're an unattractive white female who wants to marry/date money, you might not have many options. So I suppose a South Asian might be your only choice.

    South Asian women in general are extremely loyal to their peoples and culture. Many, if not most, would rather stay single than settle down with a man of another race. The men, on the other hand, seem to love them some white poon, both inside and outside of marriage.
     
    No, they aren't. This statement is totally incorrect.

    Look at this chart from dating site OkCupid (which has millions of users).

    http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/race_affects/Reply-By-Race-Male.png

    Indian women give an extremely high response to White Men, but a very low response to Indian men. No race detest their own men more than Indian women (at least according to the chart response rates).

    There's a stereotype that Asian women prefer White men to their fellow Asian men. However, if you look at the Okcupid chart, Indian women have an even higher response rate to White men and an even lower response rate to their own ethnicity. So when it comes to disliking their own men and liking White men, Indian women > Asian women.

    I'm sure Indian guys notice how much their own women dislike them. This has got to particularly sting because their own women aren't much in the looks department either. You know what sucks more than getting rejected? Getting rejected by a girl who's not even pretty.

    If you don't see more South Asian women in interracial relationships, it's probably because their community doesn't approve of their women mixing out. In these more conservative communities, women have to carry out their affairs discretely. When they're done having their fun, they have to marry men from within their community.
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  170. Rosh says:

    Black men have a much higher intermarriage rate than you would predict from their socio-economic indicators. They are the poorest least educated racial/ethnic group with the highest crime and incarceration rates. They are also likely to grow up in segregated neighborhoods, but among racial groups only Asian women have higher intermarriage rates.

    This can only be explained by HBD. Black men are more masculine and charismatic and they’re known for their sexual prowess. They’re basically a father’s worst nightmare. Also, black men haven’t been feminized and emasculated like white men over the last decades. Women who prefer very masculine men may increasingly date/marry black men for lack of other options. If your’e a woman here in the DC area, you’re gonna struggle to find a young alpha male-type who isn’t black.

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    it is the same basic qualities which make people good in different situations, like: professional sports, criminality and the partner market
    , @Father O'Hara
    LOL. I guess only white women have agency.
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  171. Jefferson says:
    @(((Owen)))
    So I started a list of United States Senators in interracial marriages:

    Democrats
    Kamala Harris (CA BF-WM)
    Brian Schatz (HI AF-WM)
    Tammy Duckworth (IL AF-WM)
    Catherine Cortez Masto (NV HF-WM)
    Bob Menendez (NJ-divorced w/ kids WF-HM)

    Republicans
    'Lyin'' Ted Cruz (TX WF-HM)
    'Little' Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)
    Mitch 'The Tortoise' McConnell (KY AF-WM)

    (Of course, we don't know much about gay senators like Lindsay Graham, Tammy Baldwin, and Cory Booker, but at least one is rumored to be hooking up with interracial partner(s).)

    Looks like a fair cross-section of American interracial relationships and includes about 10% of all married senators. That seems like a pretty high share considering the average age of senators puts them into a much older generation. And I could have missed a couple, so there might be even more.

    “Little’ Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)”

    Marco Rubio’s wife is from Colombia.

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    Little’ Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)”

    Marco Rubio’s wife is from Colombia.

     

    She was born in the USA, though

    Jeanette was born in Florida, to parents who had emigrated from Colombia.[2] When she was six, her parents divorced.[3] Jeanette was raised Roman Catholic and attended South Miami High School. She met her future husband, Marco Rubio, at a neighborhood party when she was 17 and he was 19.[4][5][6][7] After graduating from high school, she attended Miami Dade College.[3]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanette_Dousdebes_Rubio

    Quite European looking. If she has Amerind admixture, it's probably less than 25%



    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/12/14/us/15JEANETTEweb2/15JEANETTEweb2-master180.jpg
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  172. @SimpleSong
    Just some field notes on intermarriage:

    There seems to be a major class divide in terms of intermarriage--white males marrying Asian females tend to be relatively high educational attainment while the opposite is true of white female-black male pairings. While there is much gnashing of teeth on the alt-right about WF-BM marriages I think the real story is high status white men out-marrying.

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish. This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly--these guys (secular liberal Jews) don't just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don't detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don't know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.

    AF also don't really seem to virtue signal, and they seem to have a mindset about finances, child rearing, social norms, politics, etc. that is closer to the male average; I'm not sure if this is going to change as assimilation continues but for now I think WM appreciate this when looking for a partner.

    Lastly, high educational attainment individuals tend to get married later in life, say late twenties to early thirties. Asians spend their lives trying to avoid the sun while whites intentionally tan; sun damage starts to show up around then. Also as whites tend to have heavier builds often they are slightly overweight by their early thirties (both male and female.) As such when you reach that age often Asians of both sexes are looking much more youthful; however this is much more of an asset for females and they are able to snag relatively high status males of whatever race they choose.

    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I should note all this only applies to east Asians, south Asians are totally different.

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don’t detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don’t know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.

    This appears to be an American phenomenon. Dimorphism in engineering and science college enrollment in Asia is extreme. Todai, the most elite university in Japan (and all Asia), has 82% male and 18% female undergrad enrollment. More technical schools have even steeper ratios. Korea and China have differences almost as unequal.

    So something about being an Asian-American girl tilts them away from easy majors and frivolous subjects and persuades them to study science like men do. Whatever it is, it sure imprints a preference for Asian women onto nerdy white men. When your youth is spent with reasonable and interesting Asian girls and hostile status-mongering virtue signalling anti-intellectual white girls, you can’t help but notice. I sure did.

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    In Japan at least, women are expected to stop working once they have children. So putting a lot of energy into a STEM degree doesn't make too much sense.

    In the US, over half the women who enter STEM fields leave them within a decade. If the US women getting STEM degrees are overwhelming Asian, then Asian women are not staying in the field.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/study-women-leave-stem-jobs-for-the-reasons-men-only-want-to
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  173. Jefferson says:
    @EricCh
    Mostly agree, just want to add some missing points
    1) Assortative mating is the true phenomenon here. People marry/date/socialize with who they go to school with or work with.
    combined earning based on 2010
    AMWF>WMAF>AMAF>WMHF>WMBF>WMWF>HMWF>BMWF>BMNF>HMHF
    2) AF marrying up or across, rarely marrying down
    3) AMWF couples are nowhere as common as WMAF couples. But most of those marriages, both of them are generally well educated, and most of those WFs seem to be thin/petite/pretty. Seem to me AM don't cross the colorline for scrap. Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market. AM simply cannot handle those large and in charge type.

    “Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market.”

    On average it is a lot easier for an obese woman to get a boyfriend than it is for an obese man to get a girlfriend. Even a lot of obese women don’t want to date an obese man.

    If you watch the reality show My 600 Pound Life the disgusting female cows on those shows always have a husband or boyfriend by their side, but the obese males on those shows rarely have a wife or girlfriend by their side.

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  174. @üeljang
    It is only the female haafu who are considered to be especially attractive and are featured with disproportionately high frequency in Japanese media.

    Hmmm… that might be true. But in my gym, there are some guys who appear to be halfs and work out with their girlfriends, who appear to be… how shall we say… schwing!

    But you might be right.

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  175. Rosh says:

    The fact that interracial porn (almost always BM-WF) is at the peak of its’ popularity is relevant to this discussion. That this popularity is driven by white male customers is a pathetic testament to their own emasculation. Cuck is an underused word; it is actually an accurate description of a significant percentage of white men these days even in the Trump era. (I hate to sound like Whiskey, lol).

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    I have read that BM-WF porn is the least popular among white males but the most popular among black males. Yet it is among the most produced even though it doesn't make money. Perhaps it is a form of propaganda?
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  176. Way OT, but I ran across this tweet by a Culture and Art Cretin at the NY Times:

    You know what I find ridiculous? 100 percent of Celtics coverage last night was negative. 100 percent!

    You know, Mr. Sopan Deb, guess what the big difference is with Trump’s case?

    Trump won.

    Every time I think that my estimate of the competence of the NY Times is finally low enough, they set a new mark in frothing stupidity.

    Our elite is idiots.

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    You have to explain that. What is the connection between Basketball and Trump?
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  177. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Meanwhile, the Japanese wrestle with being honest about dating black men…

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    I don't think many of them are being sincere at all, even if asians tend to be un-PC. If someone goes interviewing you in public about what you think about dating X ethnicity with the goal of disproving racism, you aren't going to say otherwise out of respect, unless you are really commited to say so. If that happens, they aren't going to publish it in the final video. Besides, it's easier when you don't live with said groups when answering if you would do well with someone different, real insight comes when you interact with them. Taking how asians and asian-americans tend to prefer white people once in America, the opinion about black people among them isn't that good.
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  178. @(((Owen)))
    So I started a list of United States Senators in interracial marriages:

    Democrats
    Kamala Harris (CA BF-WM)
    Brian Schatz (HI AF-WM)
    Tammy Duckworth (IL AF-WM)
    Catherine Cortez Masto (NV HF-WM)
    Bob Menendez (NJ-divorced w/ kids WF-HM)

    Republicans
    'Lyin'' Ted Cruz (TX WF-HM)
    'Little' Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)
    Mitch 'The Tortoise' McConnell (KY AF-WM)

    (Of course, we don't know much about gay senators like Lindsay Graham, Tammy Baldwin, and Cory Booker, but at least one is rumored to be hooking up with interracial partner(s).)

    Looks like a fair cross-section of American interracial relationships and includes about 10% of all married senators. That seems like a pretty high share considering the average age of senators puts them into a much older generation. And I could have missed a couple, so there might be even more.

    It was around 20 or so years ago, that some neocon commentator mentioned that, for all the Left’s celebration of interracial love, the only interracial marriages he could think of among top Washington figures were two Republicans, Phil Gramm and Clarence Thomas.

    So the glandscape has changed in the meantime.

    …about 10% of all married senators. That seems like a pretty high share considering the average age of senators puts them into a much older generation.

    Before Jimmy Carter burst (shelled?) on the scene, virtually all politicians campaigned and governed with their formal names, not diminutives. That has turned upside-down, with very few today going formal. Jesse Ventura even governed under a stage name.

    It seems like something similar has happened with political coalburning. But I doubt it will rise much faster or further.

    (I see I wrote that in a hurry. I’m not implying that Phil Gramm and Clarence Thomas are secretly married!)

    (Of course, we don’t know much about gay senators like Lindsay Graham, Tammy Baldwin, and Cory Booker, but at least one is rumored to be hooking up with interracial partner(s).)

    You don’t mean to suggest that Lindsay might be the William Rufus Devane “Nancy” King of the 21st century?

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  179. @International Jew

    Obesity epidemic in America truly change the dynamic of dating market.
     
    I sense that that is very true, and I wish there was more written about it.

    I fear that only the upper middle class and above are keeping themselves thin anymore. When I see the public school kids walking down the street after school the obesity rate (and slovenliness) is the first thing that jumps out at you.

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    Sad but true.
    The epidemic hasn't struck the Asians that much, though. Which could explain some WMAW bonding.
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  180. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The growth of interracial marriage in the 50 years since the Supreme Court legalized it across the nation has been steady, but stark disparities remain that influence who is getting hitched and who supports the nuptials, according to a major study released Thursday. …

    Among the most striking findings was that black men are twice as likely to intermarry as black women — a gender split that reversed for Asian and Pacific Islander Americans and, to researchers, underscores the grip of deeply rooted societal stereotypes.

    The writer seems to assume that just because inter-racial marriage was made legal that it should occur, and should occur equally across the board. How strange.

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  181. OT: You might want to have a look at this (apparently) peer-reviewed article (a hoax, actually) before it disappears:

    The conceptual penis as a social construct

    Jamie Lindsay and Peter Boyle

    Abstract: Anatomical penises may exist, but as pre-operative transgendered women also have anatomical penises, the penis vis-à-vis maleness is an incoherent construct. We argue that the conceptual penis is better understood not as an anatomical organ but as a social construct isomorphic to performative toxic masculinity. Through detailed poststructuralist discursive criticism and the example of climate change, this paper will challenge the prevailing and damaging social trope that penises are best understood as the male sexual organ and reassign it a more fitting role as a type of masculine performance.

    https://www.cogentoa.com/article/10.1080/23311886.2017.1330439.pdf

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    Here's a guy the doesn't get the joke.

    Matthew Facciani:

    Sociology is still a young field that is still growing up. We have a lot of room to improve in making ourselves more rigorous as a whole (but that’s another post I hope to write soon). I am lucky to be in a department that strongly values scientifically rigorous research, but this may not be the case everywhere. So while it’s unfortunate these kinds of questionable journals are becoming more popular, there are still many respectable journals out there. I doubt the paper by Lindsay and Boghossian would be published in the American Journal of Sociology, or Social Psychology Quarterly, or even the Journal of Gender Studies. While this gender studies paper hoax experiment illustrates some legitimate problems, I think we should be careful with concluding how far reaching such issues are.
     
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  182. prosa123 says: • Website
    @(((Owen)))
    So I started a list of United States Senators in interracial marriages:

    Democrats
    Kamala Harris (CA BF-WM)
    Brian Schatz (HI AF-WM)
    Tammy Duckworth (IL AF-WM)
    Catherine Cortez Masto (NV HF-WM)
    Bob Menendez (NJ-divorced w/ kids WF-HM)

    Republicans
    'Lyin'' Ted Cruz (TX WF-HM)
    'Little' Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)
    Mitch 'The Tortoise' McConnell (KY AF-WM)

    (Of course, we don't know much about gay senators like Lindsay Graham, Tammy Baldwin, and Cory Booker, but at least one is rumored to be hooking up with interracial partner(s).)

    Looks like a fair cross-section of American interracial relationships and includes about 10% of all married senators. That seems like a pretty high share considering the average age of senators puts them into a much older generation. And I could have missed a couple, so there might be even more.

    Catherine Cortez Masto is only half Latin and looks white. Her marriage is IINO (Interracial in Name Only).
    Kamala Harris is mixed black and South Asian but surprisingly light. She would not be considered black in literally any country in the world except the United States.

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    Her father is a light skinned Jamacian. She's the exact color of a medium tan Indian. She must take after her mother.
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  183. prosa123 says: • Website

    “Before Jimmy Carter burst (shelled?) on the scene, virtually all politicians campaigned and governed with their formal names, not diminutives. That has turned upside-down, with very few today going formal. ”

    I find that a rather undesirable thing. At least it isn’t Don Trump.

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  184. @(((Owen)))

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.
     
    Straight men don't find them appealing. Which makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in the fashion industry.

    The model body is a gay man’s androgyne fantasy.

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    Melania looks curvey to me.
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  185. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/01/29/us/20110130mixedrace.html

    I don’t know, but this table from 2011. shows that 94.7% of WM & 95.6% of WF are in mono-racial marriages. Add white Hispanics & this is ca. 97%. So …

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    "I don’t know, but this table from 2011. shows that 94.7% of WM & 95.6% of WF are in mono-racial marriages. Add white Hispanics & this is ca. 97%. So …"

    Do you see Jeb Bush's wife as a White Hispanic?
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  186. Anon7 says:

    OT: What can you do when your town doesn’t have any confederate flags or statues of confederate generals to remove?

    Confederate flag to symbolically burn in Detroit this Memorial Day

    DETROIT, MI — While Confederate memorials across the nation are dismantled or relocated based on shifting public sentiment, an artist plans to burn a Confederate flag in Detroit this coming Memorial Day, symbolically at least.

    Detroit-born John Sims, whose work usually focus on racism and civil rights, founded the event when he organized the funerals of Confederate flags in 13 states in honor of 150th anniversary of the end of the Civil War.’

    ” … We need an American ritual to deal with the Confederate flag,” he writes in a blog explaining the event. “With this in mind, I propose that we burn and bury the Confederate flag every Memorial Day as a way to send a powerful message to ourselves as a nation that the Civil War is over, and the days of the Confederate flag and white supremacy are numbered.”

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    Consistency is a virtue. Detroit is the "burn it" city, isn't it?
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  187. Kylie says:
    @guest
    The attractiveness of East Asian females is wildly overrated, though they are more highly valued than other groups. It's fashionable to fetishize them at the moment, but I think that will subside. White women are the greater prize.

    Asian men, on the other hand, we don't even think about in a sexual context, usually. (Maybe the gays do; I'm not sure.) Which is cruel, in a way.

    I find East Asian men attractive.

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  188. Sunbeam says:
    @AMWF
    Here is the actual Pew Research study instead of an article :

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/18/intermarriage-in-the-u-s-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/

    "Is Love Colorblind?" Still Valid After 20 Years"

    Lots of things have changed in 20 years for Asian-Americans including the tremendous growth of South Asians in the US to the point where they are about 1/3rd of the Asian-American population and Indians will surpass the Chinese as the largest Asian-American ethnic group in the US in the next decade. Indians (and in particular Indian men) have the lowest rates of intermarriage in the US. As stated in the actual study in the notations :

    "Asian Americans are an incredibly diverse group, with varying histories in the U.S. and very different demographic and economic profiles. For a more detailed look at Asian American subgroups and their intermarriage patterns, see “The Rise of Asian Americans”".

    Some other notable points from the study, a huge reason for high rate of intermarriage for Asian females are because of older females above the age of 40. More than half of newlywed Asian women in their 40s intermarry (56%) and (46%) of those 50 and older. In addition, while Asian female outmarriage has stayed a static 36%, the Asian male outmarriage rates has increased dramatically.

    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2013) : 16%
    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2015) : 21%
    US-born Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2010) : 41.7%

    Lots of things have changed in 20 years for Asian-Americans including the tremendous growth of South Asians in the US to the point where they are about 1/3rd of the Asian-American population and Indians will surpass the Chinese as the largest Asian-American ethnic group in the US in the next decade.

    For the love of God, no.

    I changed my mind. Unlimited Chinese immigration here. But they gotta kick out the Indians.

    I can tolerate being a menial servant to our Chinese overlords. No way I could tolerate Epic Douchebaggery dialed up to 11.

    Any way we could get Sikhs instead of Indians?

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  189. @(((Owen)))
    So sad.

    Life would be so easy for half-Asian men if they'd just move back to their homelands. Fluent native English and an American education go very far in Asia and the whole universe of same-ethnicity Asian girls is open to them, not just the adventuresses that go for pure white men.

    But their single-minded obsession that the beauty of the white Aryan woman must not perish from their circle of opportunities ruins them for their half-co-ethnics.

    maybe they would like to live where their family lives and where they were raised and still marry

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    A lot of us would like that but the age of mass migration for global capital has its own agenda and our own wishes don't count when Wall Street sees profit in screwing us.
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  190. Jefferson says:
    @guest
    About the characters you mentioned: one was played by a Jew and the other at least a half-Jew. They played up Paul's Jewishness on at least one Wonder Years episode (where he got bar mitzvahed), but I don't know about Screech. He came off that way, but I also remember his mom being a die-hard Elvis fan, which doesn't seem right.

    Anyway, are Asians stealing Jews' nerdy friends roles? Can we use this fact to get Jews behind immigration control?

    By the way, funny thing about Paul on the Wonder Years is that the actor matured much faster than the lead, Fred Savage. He shot up in height, lost his glasses, and became fairly handsome. So they shifted his role from the allergy-prone geeky friend to a jockish guy who lost his virginity way before Kevin. (Well, not completely changed. He was still a tight-ass and smartypants.)

    “About the characters you mentioned: one was played by a Jew and the other at least a half-Jew.”

    The actor who plays Paul Pfeiffer is half Italian and half Jewish. His name is Josh Saviano.

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    So two half-Jews, then. Which makes for one whole Jew, I guess.
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  191. @RW
    I tried to find Is Love Colorblind on the net a few months back and it was impossible. Where's the link for it?
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  192. @Jefferson
    "Remember “Screech” from Save By the Bell and “Paul Pfeiffer” from Wonder Years?"

    I remember there were rumors that Paul Pfeiffer grew up to become the circus freak show that is Marilyn Manson. Remember when some people blamed his dark degenerate music for Columbine? I think it was some Evangelical pastors.

    I remember there were rumors that Paul Pfeiffer grew up to become the circus freak show that is Marilyn Manson.

    Not true. This is a textbook example of the “telephone game” gone awry.

    Dez Fafara was the lead singer for Coal Chamber, a late-90s nu metal band with a similar look and aesthetic to Marilyn Manson. His father was a child actor who appeared in a few episodes of “Leave It To Beaver”.

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  193. rw95 says:
    @üeljang
    It is only the female haafu who are considered to be especially attractive and are featured with disproportionately high frequency in Japanese media.

    “It is only the female haafu who are considered to be especially attractive and are featured with disproportionately high frequency in Japanese media.”

    I constantly hear this from white supremacists, but considering Japan has an extremely low level of immigration (and therefore intermarriage), how can this be so?

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    Its seen as exotic, and I would say there's a subtle level of the general East Asian perceptions of beauty, where lighter skin is very tolerable but darker is not- perhaps extended from when darker skin was indicative of lower class. I'll bet five dollars that your average Japanese salaryman would rather be with a white girl than with a Malaysian.
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  194. Jefferson says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/01/29/us/20110130mixedrace.html

    I don't know, but this table from 2011. shows that 94.7% of WM & 95.6% of WF are in mono-racial marriages. Add white Hispanics & this is ca. 97%. So ...

    “I don’t know, but this table from 2011. shows that 94.7% of WM & 95.6% of WF are in mono-racial marriages. Add white Hispanics & this is ca. 97%. So …”

    Do you see Jeb Bush’s wife as a White Hispanic?

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    Frankly,I see Jeb Bush's wife as a talking burro...
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  195. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    It is only the female haafu who are considered to be especially attractive and are featured with disproportionately high frequency in Japanese media.

    This is from the same source of globalist propaganda spewed in the west. Haafu aren’t something special in looks, especially when it’s mostly white-japanese mix where asian genes are dominant over recessive white most of the time. “Exotic” looks are exaggerated in their “beauty”.

    And native japanese don’t take haafu promotion on media too kindly, there was a controversy with a half Hindi-half Japanese Miss Japan because her looks didn’t represent Japan at all.

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  196. prole says:
    @RonaldB
    Heidi Cruz looks pretty white to me, and her bio seems pretty typically white. What are you talking about? Or, are you saying Cruz is Hispanic, despite having a non-Hispanic mother?

    Ted Cruz is considered hispanic…although he was raised in North America by american mother and never learned spanish….thus his marriage to Heidi is inter-ethnic despite the fact that they are both the same etthnicity, raised in the same culture. And both are 100% European…thus the category inter-ethnic is absurd and meaningless.

    My great grandfather was a German, born in Dresden, and married a slovic Hungarian from Bratislavia…this was a better example of an inter-ethnic marriage. They met in NYC and she was impregnated by him , thus forced the German to get married over the objections of his parents in 1921.

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  197. Jefferson says:
    @anon
    Many if not most of the immigrant or second generation minority women marries outside of their ethnicity with whites mostly for money and safety. It's not because they are the dream result of all characteristics they would love to have in a man. Once they are married they act to their stereotypes according to what their husbands are made of. If they are wimps, get ready to that gentle woman become hell.
    .
    It's men who seeks characteristics in woman more than social position. And although you can find some rules in average (meek asian woman, workaholic hispanic woman, etc). It seems to work better among their own ethnicity and varies depending on the country they are and persons they live with. And let us notice once again, these "good" foreign characteristics do not seem to appear on America.
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    Western white man (be it american or european) marries asian woman expecting some servile wife ready to agree with everything he says, even if he lets her freely express her opinion. But then he finds out he's incapable to make her wife show any respect for him because he himself is too mellow and stuck up in his beliefs that he's gonna be a good 'conservative' family man. The asian woman knows that and have to take the reins most of the time, wearing the pants in the house. Their offspring becomes a mix of millenial american/european culture struggling with their maternal authority and abhorring the paternal 'inherited evilness' (and spineless attitude). Asian man are more serious and composed, they know how to show their authority to their wives. That's why they comply with them.
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    The same for black woman who are much more authoritarian and much more vocal in their complaints. Even for a nonsense and affirmative white, marrying with a black woman is gonna bring much problems. Once married, they find the need to keep their man home and following the basic family rules (working, taking care of children). They don't tolerate unruly or soft men, especially ones who try to impose themselves with no success. Black men, as much as they complain, are better off to become better persons behaving nicely under their black wives, since they are less into taking responsibility proactively for themselves (for most of them).
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    Latino woman are similar to anglo-american/european woman in true mild behavior. But their culture and society also demands a serious hold on their family sometimes. And latino woman are more likely to take advantage to every opportunity to better their economic and social status than whites at any means. That's why even latino woman gang up against whites in the 'evil whitey' narrative.
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    Woman of a certain ethnicity are better off with men with the same ethnicity and of the same country preferably.

    “Latino woman are similar to anglo-american/european woman in true mild behavior.”

    You obviously have never been exposed to the Hispanic underclass. Hispanic women can be quite ghetto, obnoxious, and loud. There is nothing mild and docile about a Chola Chicana chick in Compton and a Boriqua chick in The South Bronx for example.

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  198. @Rosh
    Black men have a much higher intermarriage rate than you would predict from their socio-economic indicators. They are the poorest least educated racial/ethnic group with the highest crime and incarceration rates. They are also likely to grow up in segregated neighborhoods, but among racial groups only Asian women have higher intermarriage rates.

    This can only be explained by HBD. Black men are more masculine and charismatic and they're known for their sexual prowess. They're basically a father's worst nightmare. Also, black men haven't been feminized and emasculated like white men over the last decades. Women who prefer very masculine men may increasingly date/marry black men for lack of other options. If your'e a woman here in the DC area, you're gonna struggle to find a young alpha male-type who isn't black.

    it is the same basic qualities which make people good in different situations, like: professional sports, criminality and the partner market

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  199. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    They do have special programs now in Chile for the amerindians, but although the average Chilean is 35% amerindian only 5% are considered indigenous. 45% of Chileans deny having any indio blood in recent surveys, while 80% of those living in Santiago claim to be 100% european, 20% acknowledge being mestizo.

    among the lower classes the typical Chilean is 50% indigenous, while the middle class is genetically 25% indio, and the upper class are typically 10% or less ameridian. Chile is more classist than racist, but the result is that people deny they have any amerindian blood, as the mestizos are at the bottom, less educated , poor, and the amerindians live outside the cities, isolated from Chilean society. My wife never knew or met an amerindian Chilean, nor she ever see a black person until she moved to New York city at the age of 21.

    Well, racism comes with classism. Once you get a clear division of rich and poor in a former colony/immigrant country like Chile, you better realize which ancestry contributed more to the society, economy and culture. Plus, they were colonized by spanish, so there’s limpieza de sangre around there.

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  200. Vinteuil says:
    @guest
    The attractiveness of East Asian females is wildly overrated, though they are more highly valued than other groups. It's fashionable to fetishize them at the moment, but I think that will subside. White women are the greater prize.

    Asian men, on the other hand, we don't even think about in a sexual context, usually. (Maybe the gays do; I'm not sure.) Which is cruel, in a way.

    “Asian men, on the other hand, we don’t even think about in a sexual context, usually. (Maybe the gays do; I’m not sure.)”

    Google the phrase “rice queen.”

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  201. @JerryC
    28% of black-white couples being black woman/white man seems really high. I would have guessed 10% at most.

    Keep in mind this is MARRIAGES, and no doubt the black bf / white gf ratio is considerably higher than for married couples. Women prefer to settle down with someone of higher socioeconomic status.

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  202. @rw95
    "It is only the female haafu who are considered to be especially attractive and are featured with disproportionately high frequency in Japanese media."

    I constantly hear this from white supremacists, but considering Japan has an extremely low level of immigration (and therefore intermarriage), how can this be so?

    Its seen as exotic, and I would say there’s a subtle level of the general East Asian perceptions of beauty, where lighter skin is very tolerable but darker is not- perhaps extended from when darker skin was indicative of lower class. I’ll bet five dollars that your average Japanese salaryman would rather be with a white girl than with a Malaysian.

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    "I’ll bet five dollars that your average Japanese salaryman would rather be with a white girl than with a Malaysian."

    Too bad for Japanese men the vast majority of White women don't find them sexually exotic.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Daniel,

    In NYC when one encounters a woman using an umbrella for sun protection she is almost invariably North East Asian.

    Avoiding the sun was quite common for Caucasian women until Coco Chanel introduced the suntanning fad.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    A Japanese man is more likely to take the Malaysian for a wife in spite of her creed unlike a venal Chinese who either wants to improve his social standing in the West or is hoping to have a little less Chinesey offspring. Most likely both!
    , @ThatDamnGood
    Ethnic Malays or any Malaysian gurl like the one below?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79uuj5hXsOg
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  203. Ed says:
    @Triumph104
    After receiving an Academy Award in 2009, the actress Monique went five years without an acting role. I thought she had been blackballed for diva behavior during the 2009 awards season, but actually she received several offers. The problem was the low pay for the roles. The pay was the same as before she had won the Oscar.

    A few days ago Monique went off on the people associated with the movie Precious - Lee Daniels, Tyler Perry, and Oprah Winfrey.

    WARNING -- NSFW (LINK)

    Railing at the few black people that can successfully produce multimillion dollar films probably isn’t going to help her much.

    Mo’nique doesn’t have that unique of a look, easily replaced by Olivia Spencer or Viola Davis.

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    Do you mean Octavia Spencer?

    Monique embodies the three negative stereotypes of black women - fat, loud, and unattractive. Instead of expecting lucrative roles to start pouring in, she should have used her Oscar to create her own projects, projects that were aimed at non-blacks.

    I don't know Monique's entire body of work, but everything that I am familiar with black-centric. You can't make serious money only doing black projects. Tyler Perry and Oprah only do black projects and the same may be true for Lee Daniels, although I don't know about him. Monique is/was never going to make more than a couple hundred thousand dollars per project in that world.

    Monique would be better off playing the neighbor in a white town who is an amateur detective. Whoopi Goldberg, also an Oscar winner, had a successful career by playing mostly non-black-centric roles.
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  204. Ed says:
    @TelfoedJohn
    Can anyone think of any Asian Male / Black Female couples?

    I used to frequent a bagel shop where the two employees were a large loud black lady and a slim passive Chinese kid. I wouldn't be confident in betting who had the most testosterone.

    They were quite common in the Caribbean but that was due to circumstances. In NYC, with its large Caribbean population, it wasn’t uncommon to meet a black person with a surname of Chang, Chung etc

    I think Naomi Campbell & Tyson Beckford descend from such unions but it might be an urban legend.

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  205. @JohnnyWalker123
    Master of None was created by Ansari. That's why it shows him as attractive. He cast himself. If you create a show, you control the casting.

    In real life, South Asians are the least believable sex symbols. Even East Asian men are a notch above them. However, East Asian men are seen as having stoic personalities, so it's hard to sexualize them. They're not emotionally expressive enough.

    On Parks&Recreation (which was produced by someone else), Ansari was typecast as a South Asian guy who thinks he's a pickup artist and fails miserably with women.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foNxKbp9lOM

    That was the joke with Ansari ("Tom Haverford").

    Fast&Furious has sort of made Asian men a bit cooler, due to their association with cars and tech gadgets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHrs2TkA6eo

    I wonder if Asians are becoming cool. All those gangster movies made Italians cool. The same happened with Irish and cop movies.

    Due to the rapidly growing Chinese market, expect to see a lot more Asian characters on tv and in the movies.

    Fast and Furious was the first time which I thought a movie portrayed Asians as cool, I agree. I don’t really have anything against villainous status.

    That said, I think acceptance of Asians as possible mates was largely due to anime more than anything in my experience, at the least. How I largely went about dating white girls, if I was looking for them, was to find women who shared an interest in anime.

    Modern Hollywood ramblings as Asian in skin only, and part of some stupid agenda – Walking Dead‘s Glenn being a star example. He’s a deracinated individual who they wanted to intentionally emphasize street smarts, former thuggery, and lack of academic skills, because let’s all be cool and edgy, and completely miss the point. Sigh.

    Since I rather would be with girls who could accept me for being who I was, including “stereotypes” that had a lot of truth, women who took their models of Asian media including the entire “gambatte” culture and general acceptance of high levels of “nerdiness” worked out better in my experience.

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    I think you have Glenn wrong. He was presented as someone fanboys could identify with: just a pizza delivery boy who used to play video games and was awkward at first around the farmer's daughter. Not necessarily a nerd or smartypants, but definitely not a thug. He became a tough guy over the course of the show.

    The former thug was Daryl: the outlaw with a heart of gold.
    , @James Richard
    "Fast and Furious was the first time which I thought a movie portrayed Asians as cool""

    Surely you jest.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000041/#director
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  206. @Rosh
    Black men have a much higher intermarriage rate than you would predict from their socio-economic indicators. They are the poorest least educated racial/ethnic group with the highest crime and incarceration rates. They are also likely to grow up in segregated neighborhoods, but among racial groups only Asian women have higher intermarriage rates.

    This can only be explained by HBD. Black men are more masculine and charismatic and they're known for their sexual prowess. They're basically a father's worst nightmare. Also, black men haven't been feminized and emasculated like white men over the last decades. Women who prefer very masculine men may increasingly date/marry black men for lack of other options. If your'e a woman here in the DC area, you're gonna struggle to find a young alpha male-type who isn't black.

    LOL. I guess only white women have agency.

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  207. Thea says:
    @Triumph104
    After receiving an Academy Award in 2009, the actress Monique went five years without an acting role. I thought she had been blackballed for diva behavior during the 2009 awards season, but actually she received several offers. The problem was the low pay for the roles. The pay was the same as before she had won the Oscar.

    A few days ago Monique went off on the people associated with the movie Precious - Lee Daniels, Tyler Perry, and Oprah Winfrey.

    WARNING -- NSFW (LINK)

    The idea that actors are held in such high esteem and make such disproportionately huge salaries is a bit of a historical anomaly.

    I’m not saying they all deserve the low status Romans or early Americans granted them but there was a good reason decent people didn’t want to socialize with them.

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  208. Flip says:
    @Return of Shawn
    Steve,

    I am wondering if you have any recommendations as to where Northwestern-European descended people should live if they want to be around other Northwestern-Europeans descended people? If former Midwesterners reside there that would be a plus. I am specifically wondering about the Southern California region.

    Rancho Sante Fe in San Diego County or Del Mar, perhaps? I know it's big $$. Rancho Bernardo used to be pretty good from what I hear. Maybe it still is.

    I was going to suggest Pasasdena but it look like it has changed. How about the towns on the Palos Verdes peninsula?

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    Look at high schools. Palos Verdes High is 69.5% white, while 15 minutes away Palos Verdes Peninsula High is 45.7% white, 38.7% Asian, and 8.7% Hispanic.

    Most white professional athletes went to white high schools. Rob Gronkowski attended New York state's Williamsville North High which is 81.3% white.

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/2970010532/school.aspx
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/2970010246/school.aspx
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/3147004218/school.aspx
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  209. @Jefferson
    "And, based on what I’ve seen, the Hispanic partner in such unions tends to be White/mostly White."

    I doubt that very much. The Conquistador population in The U.S is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.

    Most Mexican/White couples I see the Mexican partner looks stereotypically what a Mexican is suppose to look like, meaning can not pass for a Gringo phenotype wise.

    The Conquistador population in The U.S. is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.

    Over 25 years ago, I was briefly engaged to such a Cuban woman. At age 3, she and her parents came to S. FL fleeing Castro in the mid-60s w/ just the clothes on their backs. The parents never learned English and scratched out a better than working class life in Little Havanah, while the daughter went on to graduate from a state university and earn over six figures. She and her parents were lighter complected than me. Her grandparents were from France and Spain. My great-grandparents, from France and Ireland, arrived in the U.S. sixty-five years before she did.

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    ^Oh, and she and her family did not like blacks, liberals, or communists. They loved Ronald Reagan!
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  210. @(((Owen)))
    So sad.

    Life would be so easy for half-Asian men if they'd just move back to their homelands. Fluent native English and an American education go very far in Asia and the whole universe of same-ethnicity Asian girls is open to them, not just the adventuresses that go for pure white men.

    But their single-minded obsession that the beauty of the white Aryan woman must not perish from their circle of opportunities ruins them for their half-co-ethnics.

    And where would those “homelands” be? I guarantee you they would be less accepted in Asian countries than here.

    You know who else I feel bad for? The white guys with Asian wives. What’s the solution here, aborting all of their male children?

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    Doesn't matter if 'society' accepts a young single man (no society really welcomes them). It only matters what girls want. And Asian girls in Asia like the Hapas.

    Make a baby or two with that girl and wife her up and her family and society will welcome him enough.

    The solution for white men with Asian wives and sons is summers in Asia and student exchange abroad. Also, send him to college in his ancestral homeland. Help him to accept early that America isn't really his destiny. And make it clear from early childhood that you find blondes disgusting.
    , @anonguy

    You know who else I feel bad for? The white guys with Asian wives. What’s the solution here, aborting all of their male children?
     
    Man, you guys are lame. My mixed son is a babe magnet beyond belief both in the U.S. and the Far East, and I suspect wherever else he may go in life.

    Get back to Chateau Heartiste or whatever angry butthurt male forum from which you picked up this nonsense.

    There are forums full of angry white guys bitching about women, forums full of angry black dudes bitching about women, forums full of angry asian guys bitching about women.

    It wouldn't be surprising that there are forums full of angry mixed race guys bitching about women.

    Every demographic has its whining losers, those are the ones you hear from.
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  211. During grad school, I had a brief fling w/ a very attractive classmate from Taiwan – sort of like an exotic James Bond girl – slim, well-dressed, long dark hair below her waist. She was in America and wanted to experience all it had to offer. One might call her an “adventuress.” After graduation she moved to Germany and married her well-off German boyfriend – a Deutsche Bank exec. Oh, and she disliked the Chinese students in the class.

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  212. @Random Dude on the Internet
    The Hispanics when it comes to White/Hispanic pairings tend to look just like their white counterparts; the only way you could really tell they're Hispanic is their name. Not surprised that this is the most common pairing.

    I’m a white guy, and for a while back in the 80s I had a number of Mexican-American girlfriends. Back then, the cultural distance wasn’t what it is today (thanks to out of control immigration, the typical Mexican-American in LA & Orange County today is more “Mexican” than American, the reverse of what it was back then). I did not consider what I was doing to be interracial or inter-ethnic any more than dating a girl of Greek or Italian ancestry would have been.

    The one lesson I did learn is that is that many, if not most Latin women have a really quick temper and that life with them is one shit test after another after another.

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    I did not consider what I was doing to be interracial or inter-ethnic any more than dating a girl of Greek or Italian ancestry would have been.

    The one lesson I did learn is that is that many, if not most Latin women have a really quick temper and that life with them is one shit test after another after another.
     
    Even compared to Greek or Italian women?
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  213. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @prole
    Many Hollywood white actors married hispanics , such as Matt Damen, Alec Baldwin, Orson Wells, Clint Eastwood, Mathews McConaughey, Ryan Gosling, Christian Slater, Robert Duval, John Wayne (all 3 of his wives)

    And the Duke converted to Romish popery on his death bed.

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  214. @Jefferson
    "This is, of course, true. There is little to no racial prejudice against Asians and Hispanics ?"

    There is also no racial discrimination against African Americans in 2017 as they all turn out to be hate hoaxes.

    I have been riding public transportation since the 1990s and not once have I ever heard a White person say the N word on a subway train or a bus. But you know who does say the N word on public transportation? Other Black people. In Ebonics saying the N word is the equivalent of saying the word "the".

    I have been riding public transportation since the 1990s

    How many times have you been assaulted? How many fights have you seen?

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  215. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Anon7
    OT: What can you do when your town doesn't have any confederate flags or statues of confederate generals to remove?

    Confederate flag to symbolically burn in Detroit this Memorial Day

    DETROIT, MI -- While Confederate memorials across the nation are dismantled or relocated based on shifting public sentiment, an artist plans to burn a Confederate flag in Detroit this coming Memorial Day, symbolically at least.

    Detroit-born John Sims, whose work usually focus on racism and civil rights, founded the event when he organized the funerals of Confederate flags in 13 states in honor of 150th anniversary of the end of the Civil War.'

    " ... We need an American ritual to deal with the Confederate flag," he writes in a blog explaining the event. "With this in mind, I propose that we burn and bury the Confederate flag every Memorial Day as a way to send a powerful message to ourselves as a nation that the Civil War is over, and the days of the Confederate flag and white supremacy are numbered."

     

    Consistency is a virtue. Detroit is the “burn it” city, isn’t it?

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  216. @E. Rekshun
    The Conquistador population in The U.S. is quite small and mostly reside in Southern Florida among Cubans.

    Over 25 years ago, I was briefly engaged to such a Cuban woman. At age 3, she and her parents came to S. FL fleeing Castro in the mid-60s w/ just the clothes on their backs. The parents never learned English and scratched out a better than working class life in Little Havanah, while the daughter went on to graduate from a state university and earn over six figures. She and her parents were lighter complected than me. Her grandparents were from France and Spain. My great-grandparents, from France and Ireland, arrived in the U.S. sixty-five years before she did.

    ^Oh, and she and her family did not like blacks, liberals, or communists. They loved Ronald Reagan!

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  217. You mean the fall of the Allende regime: 11 September 1973.
    I literally danced a jig when I heard the news.

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    Well, having practiced on knocking over elected governments in Latin America, your deep state is about to do the same back home.

    Better put some champagne on ice.
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  218. This isn’t just an American phenomenon.

    In Malaysia, mixed marriages are mostly between Indian men and Chinese women. The reverse is rather rare.

    I used to work with a guy whose parents were such a couple. He looked like a Malay, which caused him some trouble when he was back home – e.g. if he ate or drank in public during Ramadan he would be harangued and have to explain that he wasn’t Moslem.

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    The less effeminate men tend to grab more females from outside their race. Helps that unlike Malays, they probably don't insist on the women converting to Islam and giving up pork.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Malaysian-Chinese men often marry from Southeast Asian nations or mainland China. Chinese and other Asian men have an extreme aversion to dark-skinned, mature-looking, and bulky women. They like women that look super skinny, youthful, and dainty, like a porcelain doll. They also want women who are demure, not talkative or assertive.

    To a Malaysian-Chinese man, marrying an Indian woman is a huge step down. It's unnecessary too, considering all the poor mail order brides they can get from mainland China or southeast Asia. For Indian men, marrying a Chinese woman is a huge step up, just because they look much better than their own Indian women.

    In China, women used to have to get their feet bound to increase their value on the mating market. That seems bizarre to most men, but the Asians have very different aesthetic/sexual preference in their women. If you ever watch Japanese anime, there's a lot of weird sexualization of women by putting them in school girl uniforms. The women are also drawn with very neotenous features too. It's very strange, but Asian guys are into it.

    When trying to rope a man, Asian women like to talk in high pitched voices. Like the type of voice you might hear from a 13 year old. I have no idea why Asian men like that sort of thing, but Asians are bit odd in what they like from a woman.

    When foreign women go to China or other Asian countries, they complain how little attention they get from the local men. Sometimes the local Asian men even look at them with disgust. Interestingly, these Asian nations tend to have huge issues with sexual harassment in the workplace and public places, so it's not that the men are unaggressive. It's that they genuinely don't like foreign races.

    The less effeminate men tend to grab more females from outside their race. Helps that unlike Malays, they probably don’t insist on the women converting to Islam and giving up pork.
     
    Asian women tend to like feminine-looking guys. So much so that lots of Asian guys want to look like effete pretty boys. Some of them even wear makeup.
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  219. @Old Palo Altan
    You mean the fall of the Allende regime: 11 September 1973.
    I literally danced a jig when I heard the news.

    Well, having practiced on knocking over elected governments in Latin America, your deep state is about to do the same back home.

    Better put some champagne on ice.

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  220. guest says:
    @lorta
    I suspect penis size has something to do with white women marrying blacks and asian women marrying whites.

    Perception of penis size, maybe. Women, I find, are bad at eyeballing relative size. Stereotypes probably do the work.

    Not that I’ve studied the subject intensively, but I get the feeling most surveys disagree on who has bigger junk: whites or blacks. Asians usually end up on the bottom. Averaging out a bunch of surveys, I imagine if blacks end up above whites, it’s probably not by a very wide margin.

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    Women, I find, are bad at eyeballing relative size
     
    That's good right?
    , @george strong
    Blacks bigger when erect by only a quarter of an inch or so but 3/4 inch when flaccid, giving the impression it would be much bigger when erect. I'll keep my 2 or 3 SD higher IQ and spot them a 1/4 inch happily.
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  221. Jefferson says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Its seen as exotic, and I would say there's a subtle level of the general East Asian perceptions of beauty, where lighter skin is very tolerable but darker is not- perhaps extended from when darker skin was indicative of lower class. I'll bet five dollars that your average Japanese salaryman would rather be with a white girl than with a Malaysian.

    “I’ll bet five dollars that your average Japanese salaryman would rather be with a white girl than with a Malaysian.”

    Too bad for Japanese men the vast majority of White women don’t find them sexually exotic.

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    Its pretty true. Whiskey has tons of very entertaining posts on this, I couldn't approach his greatness. Incidentally, Japanese men these days are noted as effeminate even by East Asian standards.

    Its interesting to me because there's a lot of evidence that Japanese men were incredibly masculine at one point. My pet theory is that the world wars have been harsh on the genetics of a lot of traditionally more courageous men.

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  222. @Erik Sieven
    maybe they would like to live where their family lives and where they were raised and still marry

    A lot of us would like that but the age of mass migration for global capital has its own agenda and our own wishes don’t count when Wall Street sees profit in screwing us.

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  223. guest says:
    @Tom-in-VA
    The gay men who run the fashion industry find them appealing. Also, most clothes look good on them.

    “most clothes look good on them”

    Not true. Most clothes look nothing on them. They just hang there. Big fashion designers like that effect, because they think of fashion shows like they’re modern art shows, or something, and model-types give them a flat, canvas-like surface. Also it’s easier to put on a show or plan out an advertising campaign if you have only one body type to fit.

    None of that has much to do with inherent good-lookingness. We’re beyond normal clothes-wearing at this point in High Fashion, and into Abstract Clothes territory. Clothes are supposed to fit human bodies, which come in different shapes, some of them actually feminine. High Fashion goes for some sort of Platonic Ideal of non-human clothes wearing.

    That’s being generous. The other, more accurate conclusion would be that they simply despise femininity and like women to look like boys.

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  224. Jefferson says:

    I notice that Asians who are adopted by White parents always grow up hating their White parents and hating White people in general judging by the blogs I read about these extremely unfrateful Asian social justice warriors who were adopted.

    I also blame the White parents of these adopted Asian people, after all you know they were taught to hate White people from their own Left Wing White parents. After all you know that 100 percent of all White people who adopt Asian kids voted for Crooked Hildabeast. White Trump vorers would never in a million years adopt an Asian child.

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  225. guest says:
    @Lurker

    Still, they mostly pull lower class white girls (and Kardashians).
     
    If the Kardashians aren't lower class then the lower class no longer exists.

    They’ve got money, they’re famous, and they’re hooked into powerful industries: entertainment and fashion. They don’t act high-class, but the higher class in the U.S. is known for aping the lower classes. Or at least the celebrity part of it is.

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  226. guest says:
    @Jefferson
    "About the characters you mentioned: one was played by a Jew and the other at least a half-Jew."

    The actor who plays Paul Pfeiffer is half Italian and half Jewish. His name is Josh Saviano.

    So two half-Jews, then. Which makes for one whole Jew, I guess.

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  227. @JohnnyWalker123

    Some other notable points from the study, a huge reason for high rate of intermarriage for Asian females are because of older females above the age of 40. More than half of newlywed Asian women in their 40s intermarry (56%) and (46%) of those 50 and older. In addition, while Asian female outmarriage has stayed a static 36%, the Asian male outmarriage rates has increased dramatically.

    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2013) : 16%
    Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2015) : 21%
    US-born Asian-American male newlywed intermarriage rate (2010) : 41.7%
     
    When Asian women divorce their husbands, they often remarry white men who appreciate their relative youthful appearance and thinness. Their husbands go back to the homeland and acquire a young mistress or wife.

    By the way, there's this view of Asian men as monogamous. They're not. Lots acquire a younger girl when they get older and economically establish themselves. That's one reason for the divorces. Americans attach a lot more important to monogamy than Asians.

    Monogamy, whether in practice or merely in theory, has always been something of a Western peculiarity. Historically, pretty much every other culture has been polygamous: the one-man many-wives kind. It was only with the spread of European imperialism and colonization that the rest of the world had started adopting monogamy as an ideal.

    With the oncoming suicide of the West, we can all look forward to the return of polygamy, harems, concubinage and warlordism. Indeed, this has already happened in the more African and Muslim parts of the “West”.

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    In all the major East Asian nations (China, Korea, Japan), there's a very visible and out-of-control mistress culture. In those cultures, once a man acquires some wealth, it's considered standard procedure to acquire another woman. The prosperous classes there have a very high rate of sexually transmitted diseases due to this.

    It's sort of the opposite of Western countries. Here men are given the freedom to "sow their wild oats" when they're young, but expected to become monogamous after marriage. In Asia, men are encouraged to concentrate on working hard and only having serious monogamous relationships when younger, but it's considered okay to acquire many new women they get older and wealthier.

    The Chinese Communists originally gained popularity partly due to anger over the practice of the wealthy landowners&merchants taking so many concubines, while peasant men had to grind away in painful (often life long) celibacy.

    In America, Asian and White men have similar rates of STD infection.
    , @Jefferson
    "It’s sort of the opposite of Western countries. Here men are given the freedom to “sow their wild oats” when they’re young, but expected to become monogamous after marriage."

    But plenty of Western men don't remain monogamous after marriage. Just look at Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton for example. John Edwards had to drop out of the presidential race because it was revealed he was cheating on his wife. Newt Gingrich cheated on his ex-wife and his mistress ended up becoming his current wife. In order to be monogamous you have to be socially conservative and Western culture is not a very socially conservative culture. Western culture is very libertine on social issues like infidelity and sex before marriage.
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  228. guest says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Fast and Furious was the first time which I thought a movie portrayed Asians as cool, I agree. I don't really have anything against villainous status.

    That said, I think acceptance of Asians as possible mates was largely due to anime more than anything in my experience, at the least. How I largely went about dating white girls, if I was looking for them, was to find women who shared an interest in anime.

    Modern Hollywood ramblings as Asian in skin only, and part of some stupid agenda - Walking Dead's Glenn being a star example. He's a deracinated individual who they wanted to intentionally emphasize street smarts, former thuggery, and lack of academic skills, because let's all be cool and edgy, and completely miss the point. Sigh.

    Since I rather would be with girls who could accept me for being who I was, including "stereotypes" that had a lot of truth, women who took their models of Asian media including the entire "gambatte" culture and general acceptance of high levels of "nerdiness" worked out better in my experience.

    I think you have Glenn wrong. He was presented as someone fanboys could identify with: just a pizza delivery boy who used to play video games and was awkward at first around the farmer’s daughter. Not necessarily a nerd or smartypants, but definitely not a thug. He became a tough guy over the course of the show.

    The former thug was Daryl: the outlaw with a heart of gold.

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    "The former thug was Daryl: the outlaw with a heart of gold."

    Daryl is suppose to be a Redneck, but he's the character who's the least likely to use a gun on The Walking Dead. I've never met a Redneck who didn't like guns.
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  229. @Formerly CARealist
    I fear that only the upper middle class and above are keeping themselves thin anymore. When I see the public school kids walking down the street after school the obesity rate (and slovenliness) is the first thing that jumps out at you.

    Sad but true.
    The epidemic hasn’t struck the Asians that much, though. Which could explain some WMAW bonding.

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  230. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @guest
    Perception of penis size, maybe. Women, I find, are bad at eyeballing relative size. Stereotypes probably do the work.

    Not that I've studied the subject intensively, but I get the feeling most surveys disagree on who has bigger junk: whites or blacks. Asians usually end up on the bottom. Averaging out a bunch of surveys, I imagine if blacks end up above whites, it's probably not by a very wide margin.

    Women, I find, are bad at eyeballing relative size

    That’s good right?

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  231. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @yaqub the mad scientist
    The model body is a gay man's androgyne fantasy.

    Melania looks curvey to me.

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  232. Dan Hayes says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Its seen as exotic, and I would say there's a subtle level of the general East Asian perceptions of beauty, where lighter skin is very tolerable but darker is not- perhaps extended from when darker skin was indicative of lower class. I'll bet five dollars that your average Japanese salaryman would rather be with a white girl than with a Malaysian.

    Daniel,

    In NYC when one encounters a woman using an umbrella for sun protection she is almost invariably North East Asian.

    Avoiding the sun was quite common for Caucasian women until Coco Chanel introduced the suntanning fad.

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  233. Jefferson says:
    @guest
    I think you have Glenn wrong. He was presented as someone fanboys could identify with: just a pizza delivery boy who used to play video games and was awkward at first around the farmer's daughter. Not necessarily a nerd or smartypants, but definitely not a thug. He became a tough guy over the course of the show.

    The former thug was Daryl: the outlaw with a heart of gold.

    “The former thug was Daryl: the outlaw with a heart of gold.”

    Daryl is suppose to be a Redneck, but he’s the character who’s the least likely to use a gun on The Walking Dead. I’ve never met a Redneck who didn’t like guns.

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  234. Marty T says:
    @Jefferson
    Hollywood lately has really been trying to shove the White female/Asian male multicultural racial micegenation narrative down our throats.

    Amy Schumer has a Korean boyfriend in her new film Snatched.

    On the show Master Of None Aziz Ansari is always dating White women.

    On the show Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt a ginger haired chick dates a Filipino guy.

    On the show Fresh Off The Boat single blonde haired White soccer moms flirt with Jessica Huang's Taiwanese husband.

    Hollywood painting Asian men as being that extremely in demand by White women is as realistic as the shows and movies that portray all Blacks as rocket scientists.

    Yesterday in NYC I saw a tall attractive brunette hand in hand with a dorky looking Asian guy. And believe it or not that’s not the first time I’ve seen such a couple.

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  235. Jefferson says:
    @anon
    That suggests to me that white people in South America are a lot more self-respecting then white people in North America are. Also here in Canada you should see the goodies and freebies available to Indians. Many whites play the "pretend-Indian" game to get in on the action. So some of it could be just self-interest too.

    “That suggests to me that white people in South America are a lot more self-respecting then white people in North America”

    So you see South Americans with 12 percent Amerindian ancestry as White? Why do so many people here on The Unz lower the bar for what is considered White when it comes to Hispanics, yet would never lower the same bar for Non Hispanic people.

    The Hispanics are a White ethnic group crowd here on The Unz would never in a million years accept Non Hispanic people with 12 percent Amerindian ancestry as part of the White race.

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  236. I’ve noticed something occurring among the older Boomer cohort, those that would be in their 60s or early 70s today. The Whites who are in a White-Hispanic mixed marriage are all excessively and cloyingly proud of the fact and will mention it, apropos of nothing, every single chance they get, even though their Hispanic spouse has been living in America all of their life and is culturally no different from anyone else in their age group. It seems the human propensity to virtue-signal knows no bounds. Once it became “cool” for Whites to LARP as non-Whites or to be married to non-Whites, they latched onto that feeling and effectively turned their back on 60 years of their life and heritage.

    Now the offspring of such marriages will be half Hispanic according to the current social categories, even though they are now culturally and phenotypically indistinguishable from a crowd of ordinary White folks. They’ve spent their entire lives never being the least bit socially separated from mainstream American culture or even needing to be self-conscious about their ethnicity at all, yet how do you think they identify themselves? As “Hispanic,” of course! And these ones, the 40-something half-breeds, are thoroughly obnoxious about it, too. They affect an attitude of extreme derision towards White America while at the same time ruthlessly pursuing the baubles of consumer culture that they take as characteristic of White America. To crown all, they even have a propensity to give their own (now thoroughly Anglicized) children Spanish names, with the suburbs around these parts sporting chestnut-haired Diegos and Tomases getting shiped off to soccer practice in mom’s Landrover.

    I feel morally tainted every time I try to project myself into the psychology of somebody like this. This despicable creature of pride and avarice, this arrogant obnoxious skank, this petty social climbing mountebank, this traitorous self-absorbed nitwit—this is what half a century of race-mixing, virtue-signalling, affirmative action, and political correctness has produced.

    This is why the Hispanic category needs to be dropped. It is the very definition of injustice and moral hazard to take a certain group of people who are in all meaningful respects identical to their fellows, deliberately imbue them with an artificial race-consciousness, and then lavish them with unearned social privileges and preferential treatment. Delusional, mostly White, spoiled brats LARPing as oppressed Hispanics has got to be the epitome of social insanity and racial cuckoldry.

    No doubt this dynamic figures largely into self-reported marriage statistics. What would the real percentage of interracial marriage be once you weeded out all the Rachel Dolezals and Elizabeth Warrens of the world? All this game playing has got to stop. Let people identify themselves and choose their mates in a market undistorted by governmental gibsmedats and political pokemon points and we’ll see how it really is.

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  237. @anon

    So Asian men seem to be doing better than Indian-Paki men.
     
    A lot of them will eventually have arranged marriages so chasing women outside that is generally only for the short term (which influences the perceptions of those being chased).

    Some populations are mostly r, some mostly K and some mostly K with women from within their own in-group but r with those outside.

    A lot of them will eventually have arranged marriages so chasing women outside that is generally only for the short term (which influences the perceptions of those being chased).
    Some populations are mostly r, some mostly K and some mostly K with women from within their own in-group but r with those outside.

    Up through their mid 20s, men (of all races) run an r-strategy. It’s not like young White men and Asian men are particularly monogamous. Most women have no problem with that.

    If Indian men are being rejected, it’s not because they’re perceived as lacking commitment. It’s because they’re unattractive and awkward.

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    "Most women have no problem with that"

    Most women demand that, consciously or otherwise. There are few things less attractive to women than sexually inexperienced males.

    If there are special circumstances--like if the guy's been on a Hero's Quest since puberty, or he's a sexy preacher--in the very least other women must be throwing themselves at him. Proof of that is usually found in the guy bedding at least some of these other women, because that's how guys are.
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  238. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @(((Owen)))

    Good observation on models. Most models are boyish, unfeminine, bony, and have narrow hips. I have no idea why men find them appealing.
     
    Straight men don't find them appealing. Which makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in the fashion industry.

    Women find them and the way they look in clothes appealing, so models are effective at selling clothes and other things to women.

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  239. dcite says:
    @SimpleSong
    Just some field notes on intermarriage:

    There seems to be a major class divide in terms of intermarriage--white males marrying Asian females tend to be relatively high educational attainment while the opposite is true of white female-black male pairings. While there is much gnashing of teeth on the alt-right about WF-BM marriages I think the real story is high status white men out-marrying.

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish. This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly--these guys (secular liberal Jews) don't just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don't detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don't know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.

    AF also don't really seem to virtue signal, and they seem to have a mindset about finances, child rearing, social norms, politics, etc. that is closer to the male average; I'm not sure if this is going to change as assimilation continues but for now I think WM appreciate this when looking for a partner.

    Lastly, high educational attainment individuals tend to get married later in life, say late twenties to early thirties. Asians spend their lives trying to avoid the sun while whites intentionally tan; sun damage starts to show up around then. Also as whites tend to have heavier builds often they are slightly overweight by their early thirties (both male and female.) As such when you reach that age often Asians of both sexes are looking much more youthful; however this is much more of an asset for females and they are able to snag relatively high status males of whatever race they choose.

    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I should note all this only applies to east Asians, south Asians are totally different.

    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I have never noticed that although white men do seem to think it prevalent. Mostly in their imagination, although it takes all kinds and I’m sure it exists. The resentment of [many] black women towards white women who date black men is extremely visceral and vicious. Most white women have no idea it exists since they are not thinking like that (not all of course, but it’s common). There is nothing approaching that among white women towards Asians who date white guys.
    Way back in high school there was a discussion on mixed marriage and one girl asked rhetorically why marrying Asians was not considered mixed (we didn’t particularly). Various reasons were given. The priest told them that many parents had objected to their sons marrying Japanese after WWII. We were in a girls’ school, so maybe our thought process was just less boy-focused because we duly and unabashedly acknowledged that “Orientals” were sort of small and cute and would naturally be attractive to a lot of guys. Our geography teacher was a Filipina and yet we still referred, unthinkingly, to the teaching staff as all white. We’d be more careful today.
    I’ve worked with Asian girls/ladies who were married to white guys, they’ve been my friends, or my friends had them as friends, a couple as best friends, and they have just blended in the general American environment. I’m in an area with a fair number of such unions, although not west coast. One girl was a Korean adoptee who really loved her adoptive mom and just naturally gravitated towards whites. Some white ladies also dated Asian guys. No big deal. I would also cite the readiness of many whites to adopt Asian kids. It’s just not the same thing as the black/white dichotomy.

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    Black women have an extremely visceral vicious hatred of White women period. It's not just against White women involved with black men black women hate all White women.
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  240. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    I'm a white guy, and for a while back in the 80s I had a number of Mexican-American girlfriends. Back then, the cultural distance wasn't what it is today (thanks to out of control immigration, the typical Mexican-American in LA & Orange County today is more "Mexican" than American, the reverse of what it was back then). I did not consider what I was doing to be interracial or inter-ethnic any more than dating a girl of Greek or Italian ancestry would have been.

    The one lesson I did learn is that is that many, if not most Latin women have a really quick temper and that life with them is one shit test after another after another.

    I did not consider what I was doing to be interracial or inter-ethnic any more than dating a girl of Greek or Italian ancestry would have been.

    The one lesson I did learn is that is that many, if not most Latin women have a really quick temper and that life with them is one shit test after another after another.

    Even compared to Greek or Italian women?

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    Yup. To be fair, the girls I dated who were of Greek or Italian extraction were not usually 100% "pure" but then again the sample size is small, fewer than 20 altogether. Your mileage may vary.
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  241. Anonym says:

    I don’t have much to comment on this thread that hasn’t already been said before. However, that Steve wrote this in 1997 on the NR reminded me of this Walt Bismarck musical parody about the NR purge. By the same crew who did IQ Tests.

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  242. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous
    Meanwhile, the Japanese wrestle with being honest about dating black men...

    https://youtu.be/W23SEpAJCi0

    I don’t think many of them are being sincere at all, even if asians tend to be un-PC. If someone goes interviewing you in public about what you think about dating X ethnicity with the goal of disproving racism, you aren’t going to say otherwise out of respect, unless you are really commited to say so. If that happens, they aren’t going to publish it in the final video. Besides, it’s easier when you don’t live with said groups when answering if you would do well with someone different, real insight comes when you interact with them. Taking how asians and asian-americans tend to prefer white people once in America, the opinion about black people among them isn’t that good.

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  243. @Almost Missouri
    Monogamy, whether in practice or merely in theory, has always been something of a Western peculiarity. Historically, pretty much every other culture has been polygamous: the one-man many-wives kind. It was only with the spread of European imperialism and colonization that the rest of the world had started adopting monogamy as an ideal.

    With the oncoming suicide of the West, we can all look forward to the return of polygamy, harems, concubinage and warlordism. Indeed, this has already happened in the more African and Muslim parts of the "West".

    In all the major East Asian nations (China, Korea, Japan), there’s a very visible and out-of-control mistress culture. In those cultures, once a man acquires some wealth, it’s considered standard procedure to acquire another woman. The prosperous classes there have a very high rate of sexually transmitted diseases due to this.

    It’s sort of the opposite of Western countries. Here men are given the freedom to “sow their wild oats” when they’re young, but expected to become monogamous after marriage. In Asia, men are encouraged to concentrate on working hard and only having serious monogamous relationships when younger, but it’s considered okay to acquire many new women they get older and wealthier.

    The Chinese Communists originally gained popularity partly due to anger over the practice of the wealthy landowners&merchants taking so many concubines, while peasant men had to grind away in painful (often life long) celibacy.

    In America, Asian and White men have similar rates of STD infection.

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    Surely Chinese women have agency too. In one of the world's oldest civilizations the world's oldest profession is pretty well established. Prostitution vs gold digging... it doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white as long as it catches mice.
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  244. guest says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A lot of them will eventually have arranged marriages so chasing women outside that is generally only for the short term (which influences the perceptions of those being chased).
    Some populations are mostly r, some mostly K and some mostly K with women from within their own in-group but r with those outside.
     
    Up through their mid 20s, men (of all races) run an r-strategy. It's not like young White men and Asian men are particularly monogamous. Most women have no problem with that.

    If Indian men are being rejected, it's not because they're perceived as lacking commitment. It's because they're unattractive and awkward.

    “Most women have no problem with that”

    Most women demand that, consciously or otherwise. There are few things less attractive to women than sexually inexperienced males.

    If there are special circumstances–like if the guy’s been on a Hero’s Quest since puberty, or he’s a sexy preacher–in the very least other women must be throwing themselves at him. Proof of that is usually found in the guy bedding at least some of these other women, because that’s how guys are.

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  245. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Kaz
    70 years ago they would consider Irish/British marriages miscegenation.

    Get a grip.

    Nonsense. Get a grip yourself. There was a so-and-so named Ignatiev who had an agenda, and who claimed the Irish were not considered white; like the “no Irish or dogs” signs, that was apocryphal, an occasional poetic opinion that did not stand scrutiny.
    There is virtually no genetic distance between the Irish and English, even in their imaginations. All an Irishman had to do to be English or an Anglo American, was leave his accent and religion in closet.

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    Absolutely right. The anti White racist Noel Ignatiev's book was just a mass of lies from beginning to end, like everything else produced from non STEM university departments.

    In America there was hatred towards the Irish but it was because of their religion and the fact that they were cheap labor immigrants. No one ever thought that the blue eyed fair skinned Irish were not White. Drunken papists maybe, but White.
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  246. @mukat
    Consider hapa siblings (East Asian - white mix):

    Hapa girls can grow up to date or marry billionaire whites (Twitter's Williams, Google's Brin twice, Uber's Kalanick). Probably the most eligible bachelorettes in the country.

    Hapa boys have all the problems in finding a date that Asian-American boys do.

    A tough sibling dynamic between hapa brothers and sisters.

    Notable Hapa boy: Elliot Rodger

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  247. Dr. Doom says:

    Amazing how a simplistic decision in the Rump Court of Law is what we say it is, is supposed to make everyone bend to its will. Ever get the feeling we’re dealing with deluded idiots that believe the power of mere words has a magical effect like a spell or the Jedi Mind Trick? Lets face it, the only people who really say they like diversity are people who never experience it. Sure there are some mixed marriages that stay together for a year or until the feeling of guilt for fake history made up whole cloth by Anti-White cretins is overcome by the sheer hatred non-Whites have constantly for anyone White based entirely on race, but for the most part people HATE diversity. Real Estate seems to be valued almost entirely on how “diverse” a neighborhood is. The code words are “bad schools” or “unsafe neighborhoods” of course, because honesty is just not allowed in a Free Country with Free Speech Guaranteed by Law is it? In a White neighborhood, just renting a room would be exorbitant. You might have to buy Snoopy’s Doghouse from Charlie Brown for at least $350 Grand. However in a really diverse and vibrant all-black neighborhood you could probably buy the Real Taj Mahal for a Dollar.

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  248. @chucho
    AFWM is epidemic in my little corner of the world (urban area+IT+finance). Seems to have exploded in the last 10 years among couples in 20s/30s. Rarely see South Asian / White pairings though, and if so, it's always white female. High-status South Asian guys who exclusively date WFs seem to settle for much less than the average WM would.

    South Asian women in general are extremely loyal to their peoples and culture. Many, if not most, would rather stay single than settle down with a man of another race. The men, on the other hand, seem to love them some white poon, both inside and outside of marriage.

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    SEA types go wild for white men, much more so than NEA. Hard 10 Filipina wives are practically standard issue for even the lowest ranking Navy sailors for this reason. I get that reality is hard for SEA men to accept, but to say that it is not so is pure delusion.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Does the 99 in your name stand for "1999"? Cause what you said might have been true then, but now not so much.
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  249. @Rosh
    The fact that interracial porn (almost always BM-WF) is at the peak of its' popularity is relevant to this discussion. That this popularity is driven by white male customers is a pathetic testament to their own emasculation. Cuck is an underused word; it is actually an accurate description of a significant percentage of white men these days even in the Trump era. (I hate to sound like Whiskey, lol).

    I have read that BM-WF porn is the least popular among white males but the most popular among black males. Yet it is among the most produced even though it doesn’t make money. Perhaps it is a form of propaganda?

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    BM-WF porn is indeed among the least popular pornography and is considered extremely niche and where careers go to die among porn stars.
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  250. @anon

    So Asian men seem to be doing better than Indian-Paki men.
     
    A lot of them will eventually have arranged marriages so chasing women outside that is generally only for the short term (which influences the perceptions of those being chased).

    Some populations are mostly r, some mostly K and some mostly K with women from within their own in-group but r with those outside.

    One thing to remember is that Indian-Paki women are generally unattractive. They have big belly rolls and no fitness/exercise culture. They also have bloated cheeks and large hooked noses. Since their women aren’t hot, Indian/Paki men are tempted to look to other races with better looking women. White-American women are by no means pretty, but they look good in comparison to Indian-Paki women. So it’s logical to lust after them.

    Also, from the conversations I’ve had with Indian-Paki guys, I’ve been told their own women don’t put out. Even after marriage, they don’t put out. Apparently, in their culture, sex is considered shameful and something you only do to get children. So married couples rarely have sex. When they occasionally do, it’s considered improper for the woman to express herself sexually, so their sex lives are painfully awkward and unpleasing.

    In their society, marriages are built around family life and children, not sexual pleasure.

    The Indian/Paki men tend to throw themselves into their work and watch porn for sexual relief. The H-1b visa guys can easily work 100 hour weeks because their wives don’t expect (or want) them to come and have sex. As for the Indian/Paki women, they spend enormous amounts of time watching romantic Indian Bollywood soap operas and movies. I suppose it’s their way of getting sexual release.

    So it’d make sense to go after women from more sexual races (such as white women).

    Another issue is that Indian (and to a lesser extent Asian) cultures are high-investment. So men are expected to be economically successful before they start courting a woman. Once they make their intentions serious, I believe they are locked into marriage. If they don’t get married, there’s parental/community ostracism. So they get locked into a “K strategy” with their own women.

    If you look that OKCupid chart I posted, Indian women actually respond to White men at a MUCH higher rate than their fellow Indian men. Indian women respond to White men at a much higher rate than even White and Asian women. So it seems that Indian women (probably these are 2nd generation) are following hypergamous mating strategy in which they have casual sex with white men, but then marry an Indian guy to keep the parents happy.

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    "White-American women are by no means pretty,"

    That's subjective. If you have a preference for blonde Nordic women than the average White American woman will be pretty to you. If you have a preference for Mediterranean White women like Gal Gadot for example from Wonder Woman, former Fox news personality Andrea Tantaros, and the actress who plays Michael Corleone's Sicilian wife Appollonia Vitelli in The Godfather, than the average White American woman will not be pretty to you.

    , @syonredux

    White-American women are by no means pretty, but they look good in comparison to Indian-Paki women.
     
    Dunno. I've known some pretty stunning White American women.....And, if we go by celebrities, White American women look pretty good: Ava Gardner, Megan Fox, Raquel Welch (don't pretend that she's not White), Jaclyn Smith, Cheryl Ladd, Grace Kelly, Sharon Tate, Kim Novak, Eva Marie Saint, .....
    , @syonredux
    RE: National Beauty Rankings,

    Based on places that I've actually visited, Northern Italy wins in terms of stunners per capita....
    , @James Richard
    "White-American women are by no means pretty"

    LOL!

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3f/be/84/3fbe846bf570079c31168d9ad5fdda38.jpg
    , @Numinous
    You really seem to have the knives out for Indians, don't you Johnny?

    In their society, marriages are built around family life and children, not sexual pleasure.
     
    Fishtown and Appalachia could use a bit of that, don't you think?
    , @Chrisnonymous

    The Indian/Paki men tend to throw themselves into their work and watch porn for sexual relief.
     
    LOL. Osama bin Laden reportedly had porn in his Pakistan hideout.
    , @BB753
    One of the better looking women I ever met was a co-worker in England, a beautiful 23 year old Punjabi Pakistani girl. Alas, she was out of my reach because of her religion. She kind of fancied me, as they say in England, and she in turn absolutely drove me mad with lust. Jet black long flowing hair, chiseled classical features, caramel complexed smooth skin and a body like Rachel Welch. And she also had a nice personality, a frank smile and well on her way to a graduate degree.
    Too bad she wasn't a Sikh. One more reason to despise Islam in my book.
    I'd say, the Sub-Continent is a large area, with loads of different people. On average, Indian women aren't ugly, though not the best looking out there. As everywhere, there are beautiful women. Though they tend to put on weight very early.
    Still, the best looking women in the world are to be found in places like Romania and Ukraine.
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  251. @guest
    Perception of penis size, maybe. Women, I find, are bad at eyeballing relative size. Stereotypes probably do the work.

    Not that I've studied the subject intensively, but I get the feeling most surveys disagree on who has bigger junk: whites or blacks. Asians usually end up on the bottom. Averaging out a bunch of surveys, I imagine if blacks end up above whites, it's probably not by a very wide margin.

    Blacks bigger when erect by only a quarter of an inch or so but 3/4 inch when flaccid, giving the impression it would be much bigger when erect. I’ll keep my 2 or 3 SD higher IQ and spot them a 1/4 inch happily.

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  252. @Random Dude on the Internet
    Regarding seeing more "cool" Asians: a lot of entertainment industry writers use characters as wish fulfillment. See: Judd Apatow's movies which have affable unambitious nerds who land hotties.

    That is preferable to the "guess who's coming to dinner" idea for a couple generations where they had WF/BM pairings. It's so boring and overdone that it no longer has its subversive value, which explains why Hollywood has been moving away from that the last few years.

    See: Judd Apatow’s movies which have affable unambitious nerds who land hotties.

    I wouldn’t underestimate the utility of affability in landing desirable partners. Men and women who can fend for themselves financially, but are, non-coincidentally, in high-pressure jobs, are likely to want low maintenance partners. Affability is a big part of that. Clashing egos are not.

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  253. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    This nomenclature goes beyond mere innumeracy; it is outright mendacity. We are less than ten percent of the population and rapidly decreasing; will we even be finally properly referred to as a minority when we are one percent of the population?
     
    I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it's tad spergish to wonder why people aren't using the Global figure. People care about the demographic make-up of their country, their state, their county/city, not what percentage Whites comprise of the world's population. When people say "Whites are the majority population," they mean in the USA, England, France, etc. You know, the countries where White people live.

    Your reply and its perspective couldn’t be any more helpful to their cause if it were written by Mugabe, Ellison, Jinping, Mukerjee, and company themselves.

    It’s a shame you won’t be around to rue it in two or three hundred years when France, England, and America also have populations less than ten per cent white. Perhaps your descendants will encounter your wisdom and roll their eyes on their way to Carousel or to celebrate the Great Leader’s Qing Li’s Assumption.

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  254. @Jefferson
    "Remember “Screech” from Save By the Bell and “Paul Pfeiffer” from Wonder Years?"

    I remember there were rumors that Paul Pfeiffer grew up to become the circus freak show that is Marilyn Manson. Remember when some people blamed his dark degenerate music for Columbine? I think it was some Evangelical pastors.

    How do you mention “Saved by the Bell” in a thread like this, and not bring up the show’s half-Asian lead, Mark Paul Gosselaar (Zack)?

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    Zack Morris is not half-Asian. His mom was part Indonesian and part Dutch. His father was German and Jewish. The German-Dutch part won out, apparently, because most people remember him as looking like an Aryan posterboy.
    , @LondonBob
    Dean Cain and Keanu Reeves.
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  255. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    One thing to remember is that Indian-Paki women are generally unattractive. They have big belly rolls and no fitness/exercise culture. They also have bloated cheeks and large hooked noses. Since their women aren't hot, Indian/Paki men are tempted to look to other races with better looking women. White-American women are by no means pretty, but they look good in comparison to Indian-Paki women. So it's logical to lust after them.

    Also, from the conversations I've had with Indian-Paki guys, I've been told their own women don't put out. Even after marriage, they don't put out. Apparently, in their culture, sex is considered shameful and something you only do to get children. So married couples rarely have sex. When they occasionally do, it's considered improper for the woman to express herself sexually, so their sex lives are painfully awkward and unpleasing.

    In their society, marriages are built around family life and children, not sexual pleasure.

    The Indian/Paki men tend to throw themselves into their work and watch porn for sexual relief. The H-1b visa guys can easily work 100 hour weeks because their wives don't expect (or want) them to come and have sex. As for the Indian/Paki women, they spend enormous amounts of time watching romantic Indian Bollywood soap operas and movies. I suppose it's their way of getting sexual release.

    So it'd make sense to go after women from more sexual races (such as white women).

    Another issue is that Indian (and to a lesser extent Asian) cultures are high-investment. So men are expected to be economically successful before they start courting a woman. Once they make their intentions serious, I believe they are locked into marriage. If they don't get married, there's parental/community ostracism. So they get locked into a "K strategy" with their own women.

    If you look that OKCupid chart I posted, Indian women actually respond to White men at a MUCH higher rate than their fellow Indian men. Indian women respond to White men at a much higher rate than even White and Asian women. So it seems that Indian women (probably these are 2nd generation) are following hypergamous mating strategy in which they have casual sex with white men, but then marry an Indian guy to keep the parents happy.

    “White-American women are by no means pretty,”

    That’s subjective. If you have a preference for blonde Nordic women than the average White American woman will be pretty to you. If you have a preference for Mediterranean White women like Gal Gadot for example from Wonder Woman, former Fox news personality Andrea Tantaros, and the actress who plays Michael Corleone’s Sicilian wife Appollonia Vitelli in The Godfather, than the average White American woman will not be pretty to you.

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  256. @biz
    Your comment is absolutely true on several different points. It should be mandatory reading for people who presume to opine on interracial relationships.

    The perspective on Asian females being less cognitively female in the negative ways is on point. Many people focus on the supposed hyperfeminie and submissive appeal of AFs when discussing WMAF pairings, but ironically the appeal of many Western born AFs (not talking about internet brides here) is that they are less girly in behavior than WFs. For an educated, sensible, maybe STEM-oriented WM, there is a lot of appeal in a woman who can also understand the household budget and doesn't think that a new pair of $300 designer heels is a necessity each month, and maybe even has a relatively high paying knowledge economy job.

    The same applies to South Asian females, perhaps even moreso - at least for the Brahmin and similar South Asian females that comprise the potentially datable market in the West. I don't know if such stats are broken out so finely anywhere, but I would be willing to bet that the highest average socioeconomic status pairing of all is white male + South Asian female.

    Elon Musk has been divorced three times, twice from the same woman. He comes across as autistic – a poor communicator and emotionally unavailable. I think he would have a more successful relationship if he dated or married an Asian woman, unfortunately he prefers white women, an emotionally demanding group.

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    Amen. I ran in circles forever dealing with the "most white women have sadly become insufferable harridans (rejecting femininity, childbearing, and monogomous marriage itself; adopting leftist nonsense, etc.).

    However, I've zero attraction or interest in other races.

    Then I realised I kept meeting perfectly charming white women from South America who were not pozzed, for the win. Musk's trouble probably lies in his life within the echo-chamber of coastal California world of the nauseatingly rich (together with his own failings you already catalogued...).
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  257. syonredux says:
    @Truth



    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.

     

    Earn more...

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jeb+bush+wife&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&imgil=9oA2HsWZ9W_xaM%253A%253Btv1cCn13vEsqyM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.inquisitr.com%25252F2183235%25252Frepublican-jeb-bush-says-he-met-wife-columba-in-mexico-shes-not-a-political-wife%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=9oA2HsWZ9W_xaM%253A%252Ctv1cCn13vEsqyM%252C_&usg=__Sy7FXnSwxR1jVpWdVwXWfVBDqFo%3D&biw=1280&bih=609&ved=0ahUKEwjV2PHpxP3TAhUM6oMKHSUeCS0QyjcIeA&ei=CrkfWdWrDozUjwSlvKToAg

    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.

    Earn more…

    JEB Bush is a sad case. Probably married the first woman he slept with…..

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    It was love at first sight when they were in high school. If they're happy, who cares?
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  258. syonredux says:
    @Jefferson
    "Little’ Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)"

    Marco Rubio's wife is from Colombia.

    Little’ Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)”

    Marco Rubio’s wife is from Colombia.

    She was born in the USA, though

    Jeanette was born in Florida, to parents who had emigrated from Colombia.[2] When she was six, her parents divorced.[3] Jeanette was raised Roman Catholic and attended South Miami High School. She met her future husband, Marco Rubio, at a neighborhood party when she was 17 and he was 19.[4][5][6][7] After graduating from high school, she attended Miami Dade College.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanette_Dousdebes_Rubio

    Quite European looking. If she has Amerind admixture, it’s probably less than 25%

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    "Quite European looking"

    She looks like a lightskin Mestiza or a Castiza. She doesn't look like a Gringa.

    Your problem is you classify any Hispanic who doesn't look like a pure Amerindian 4 foot 10 dwarf as automatically European looking.
    , @AnotherDad

    Quite European looking. If she has Amerind admixture, it’s probably less than 25%.
     
    True. She's pretty white and pretty attractive. (The Fish don't have uglies as cheerleaders.) And she's even more european looking with the blond dye job. But none of this squelches Jefferson's point. It's not remotely an inter-racial marriage. Marco Rubio and Jeanette Dousdebes are both white Hispanics.
    , @BB753
    It's probably only 25% but it shows. The facial structure, the nose, the cheekbones, even her hairline look Amerindian. In short, her features are not very Mediterranean.
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  259. Jefferson says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Monogamy, whether in practice or merely in theory, has always been something of a Western peculiarity. Historically, pretty much every other culture has been polygamous: the one-man many-wives kind. It was only with the spread of European imperialism and colonization that the rest of the world had started adopting monogamy as an ideal.

    With the oncoming suicide of the West, we can all look forward to the return of polygamy, harems, concubinage and warlordism. Indeed, this has already happened in the more African and Muslim parts of the "West".

    “It’s sort of the opposite of Western countries. Here men are given the freedom to “sow their wild oats” when they’re young, but expected to become monogamous after marriage.”

    But plenty of Western men don’t remain monogamous after marriage. Just look at Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton for example. John Edwards had to drop out of the presidential race because it was revealed he was cheating on his wife. Newt Gingrich cheated on his ex-wife and his mistress ended up becoming his current wife. In order to be monogamous you have to be socially conservative and Western culture is not a very socially conservative culture. Western culture is very libertine on social issues like infidelity and sex before marriage.

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  260. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux

    Little’ Marco Rubio (FL WF-HM)”

    Marco Rubio’s wife is from Colombia.

     

    She was born in the USA, though

    Jeanette was born in Florida, to parents who had emigrated from Colombia.[2] When she was six, her parents divorced.[3] Jeanette was raised Roman Catholic and attended South Miami High School. She met her future husband, Marco Rubio, at a neighborhood party when she was 17 and he was 19.[4][5][6][7] After graduating from high school, she attended Miami Dade College.[3]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanette_Dousdebes_Rubio

    Quite European looking. If she has Amerind admixture, it's probably less than 25%



    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/12/14/us/15JEANETTEweb2/15JEANETTEweb2-master180.jpg

    “Quite European looking”

    She looks like a lightskin Mestiza or a Castiza. She doesn’t look like a Gringa.

    Your problem is you classify any Hispanic who doesn’t look like a pure Amerindian 4 foot 10 dwarf as automatically European looking.

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    She looks like a lightskin Mestiza or a Castiza. She doesn’t look like a Gringa.
     
    Or she could be southern Italian.
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  261. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "Paul" grew up to become a Yale graduate and partner in a law firm. His real name is Josh Saviano. One of the more successful child actor-turned-adult stories.

    Josh Saviano (Paul from the Wonder Years) has a Jewish mother and his Italian American father was a financial consultant, so it is no surprise that he ended up like he did (Yale, Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University).

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    "Josh Saviano (Paul from the Wonder Years) has a Jewish mother and his Italian American father was a financial consultant, so it is no surprise that he ended up like he did (Yale, Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University)."

    In real life the cast of The Wonder Years was not a very WASP cast. Paul is Italian and Jewish, Kevin is a Jew, Winnie is Portuguese, Wayne is Jewish, and Kevin's father is Italian. Only Kevin's mother is a pure WASP.

    The Wonder Years is the ultimate Ellis Island cast.

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  262. Alden says:
    @prole
    Many Hollywood white actors married hispanics , such as Matt Damen, Alec Baldwin, Orson Wells, Clint Eastwood, Mathews McConaughey, Ryan Gosling, Christian Slater, Robert Duval, John Wayne (all 3 of his wives)

    Rita Hayworth was not exactly Hispanic. She had 3 Irish grandparents and 1 Spanish, not Indian grandparent. Haworth was her Irish paternal grandfathers name and she and her mother had natural auburn hair which they dyed black for the Dancing Casinos show.

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    And the Bronte sister's were actually O'Brunty's !

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bront%C3%AB_family#Origin_of_the_name
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  263. Alden says:
    @syonredux

    Dunno. Even with the lower-tier Hispanic-Anglo couples that I encounter, the Hispanic half still looks more European than the typical CA Hispanic.

    Earn more…
     
    JEB Bush is a sad case. Probably married the first woman he slept with.....

    It was love at first sight when they were in high school. If they’re happy, who cares?

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    It was love at first sight when they were in high school. If they’re happy, who cares?
     
    Beta male finds love.....Good for him. Just don't let him near the White House....
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  264. Jefferson says:

    My city of San Francisco would be majority White by syonredux’s standard when you combine the White Gringo population plus the number of Hispanics who don’t look 100 percent pure Amerindian in phenotype, but look Mestizo/Castizo in phenotype. And Lot’s city of San Diego would also be majority by White by syonredux’s standard as well as Steve Sailer’s Los Angeles.

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  265. @Jefferson
    Hollywood lately has really been trying to shove the White female/Asian male multicultural racial micegenation narrative down our throats.

    Amy Schumer has a Korean boyfriend in her new film Snatched.

    On the show Master Of None Aziz Ansari is always dating White women.

    On the show Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt a ginger haired chick dates a Filipino guy.

    On the show Fresh Off The Boat single blonde haired White soccer moms flirt with Jessica Huang's Taiwanese husband.

    Hollywood painting Asian men as being that extremely in demand by White women is as realistic as the shows and movies that portray all Blacks as rocket scientists.

    Hollywood painting Asian men as being that extremely in demand by White women is as realistic as the shows and movies that portray all Blacks as rocket scientists.

    Well, women like men with money and I think Asians are well prepared for the 21st century marketplace. There are plenty of girls who’d like a firmly financially stable asian guy. Besides nerds and weeboos, there’s the traditional girl that just want a family… the social media whores that don’t want to work… sugar babies… girls who got worthless college degrees.

    Asians haven’t done a good job enculturating their sons for the dating market and that will change somewhat.

    I have little doubt that AMWF will surpass BMWF within my lifetime when it comes to marriages.

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    Besides looks, one reason South Asians don’t intermarry as much is that they seem to keep their culture more. They also have quite a few popular dating websites oriented towards South Asians.

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  266. @God Emperor Putin
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    This subreddit has to be seen to be believed. It's filled with hapas (half white half Asians) who HATE white male asian female couples. The hapa males want to hookup with Asian females but those evil white men keep taking them, so they blame racism. They call Asian females "white worshippers" and white men just want Asian females because they are submissive, or something.

    The reality is that Asian men and hapas are short and white men are taller. But they won't accept this, so it's racism to blame.

    They also worship AMWF couples as some sort of divine entity that overcomes racism.

    One of these Hapa bloggers made the observation that the sons of the much rarer AMWF matchups tend to be much more confident and assertive than the sons of WMAF matchups. He claims that a disproportionate number of the higher profile Eurasian males, such as Keanu Reeves, Dean Cain, and Apollo Ohno, get their Asian ancestry entirely through their father’s side. From a genetic standpoint, it kind of makes sense. The type of Asian male who is able to attract the attention of white women is usually going to be the cream of the crop in terms of looks, assertiveness, and confidence, and those traits will likely be passed on to his sons. Whereas the type of White man who ends up with an Asian woman is usually the type that has limited success with women of his own race, i.e. is likely to be bottom of the barrel in terms of those aforementioned traits. His male progeny are thus far more likely to be Elliot Rodger types. Also speaking truth to this is the disproportionate number of prominent WN types who are married to Asian women.

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  267. guest says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    How do you mention "Saved by the Bell" in a thread like this, and not bring up the show's half-Asian lead, Mark Paul Gosselaar (Zack)?

    Zack Morris is not half-Asian. His mom was part Indonesian and part Dutch. His father was German and Jewish. The German-Dutch part won out, apparently, because most people remember him as looking like an Aryan posterboy.

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    Any Dutch-Indonesian ancestry may have contributed to why the ladies all swooned over Zach Morris; there may be something magical about that particular type of miscegenation, because I confess French Polynesians produce the kind of gal any man would be crazy to kick out of bed for eating crackers....
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  268. Whoever says:
    @prole
    My wife is from Chile, according to DNA test she is 12% Amerindian...but she denies it, believes the test is not acurate, so we tested her mother, mother is 26% amerindian..brother is 14% Amerindian..they still maintain they are 100% european. It is very strange how they refuse to accept the results. My wife has a degree in biology from NYU, her brother has a degree in marine biology. Funny how so many North Americans claim native American anestry, despite no evidence , while South Americans will deny it despite the evidence. My wife would get furious if I told anyone she was part indian.

    Funny how so many North Americans claim native American ancestry, despite no evidence

    Not really funny. Especially when you acknowledge that there are two countries in North America (or more specifically British North America) that have very different histories regarding Amerindians.
    In Latin America, the Indian civilizations collapsed quickly and the survivors became an underclass ruled over by a European-descended elite.
    In Canada, after the end of French rule, there was not much in the way of Indian resistance and they didn’t contribute much or detract much from the development of the country. They were just there.
    But in America, the Indians fought back with everything they had not for years, not for decades, not for generations, but for centuries.
    And the resistance began at the beginning, so to speak, as they were whipping the Spanish at least as early as 1513, when the Timucua drove Ponce de Leon off near present-day St. Augustine, Fla., and later that year the Calusa drove him out of San Carlos Bay, Fla. Four years later Hernando de Cordoba’s fleet, returning from a campaign against the Maya, dropped anchor in San Carlos bay to replenish water and supplies, but their landing party was driven off by the Calusa, who were described as “very big men with very long bows and good arrows.”
    Ponce de Leon and Cordoba returned to San Carlos Bay in 1521 with 200 soldiers, settlers and supplies to establish a colony. The Calusa again defeated and drove them off, killing both de Leon and Cordoba.
    Then there was the disastrous Navaraez expedition into northern Florida in 1527 with 600 soldiers, where the Spanish crossbows were no match for the Indians 7-foot long bows, as thick as a man’s arm, that could penetrate six inches of wood at 200 yards. Only four Spaniards survived the catastrophe.
    In 1539, Hernando de Soto, who had been Francisco Pizarro’s chief military adviser and among the 168 who conquered the Inca empire, and a veteran of 15 years of warring against south-of-the Rio Grande Indians, landed in Tampa Bay with 330 infantry and 270 cavalry, most veterans of the Spanish conquests in the south. They had given up European armor and adopted Aztec quilted cotton armor covered with leather as more effective protection.
    They marched north reaching the Choctaw town of Mabila on the present site of Selma, Ala., which they assaulted and took after prolonged fighting, estimated having killed 2,500 inhabitants.
    But no Indian surrender ensued. Instead, they forced the Spaniards to retreat and harried them, the Chickasaw attacking and burning de Soto’s winter camp, inflicting severe losses. Ultimately, only about half of de Soto’s force survived the expedition — not including him.
    And so it went for hundreds of years, into the 20th century, if we count the 1911 Shoshone uprising, which was not called a “war” but a “riot,” as nomenclature was changed after Wounded Knee.
    It is remarkable that some 350 years after the Calusa crushed Ponce de Leon and Cordoba, the Sioux defeated Crook and annihilated Custer.
    So the American Indian earned respect and a place in our history that he does not have in Latin America or Canada. That’s even reflected in our language. Only the American armed forces to this day speak of going into Indian Country, and mean it ominously. Only American paratroopers legendarily shout “Geronimo!” as they leap from airplanes. Only a famous American general was named after an Indian. We speak of being off the reservation, and on the warpath. We Indian wrestle and walk Indian file. Indians are a part of, in today’s parlance, who we are in a way they are not in Canada or Latin America.
    Americans, at least those of old-settler stock, are not like Canadians or Latin Americans, either. They have an ornery character, especially those of Scotch-Irish ancestry who were our most legendary Indian fighters, a natural antagonism to the powers that be and a take-this-job-and-shove-it attitude. To them, Indians have a lot of admirable characteristics, real or mythical: stoicism, refusal to stay down or stay put, defiance, resistance… And many of those whose people were here from the beginning did fight Indians and some percent did marry into tribes.
    It’s interesting that no white would proudly say (well, until very recently) that he was part black, certainly if he actually had no black blood. If he did have black ancestors it would be something to be ashamed of and hidden. No old-stock Californian would boast that he was part Chinese — again, especially if he actually had no Chinese ancestry. But lots of white Americans, as you say, claim Indian ancestry even when they don’t have it, and have done so since long before there was affirmative action or any official advantage to doing so, and long after the fierce warrior of forest and plain had been replaced by the rez drunk.
    That is telling us something important about our country and our history. And I think it’s rather a good thing — that we don’t disparage those we displaced, but empathize with them, acknowledge their loss and try, in some way, to assuage it by claiming that we, too, are Indian, one with them, and one with our mutual land.

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    That is telling us something important about our country and our history. And I think it’s rather a good thing — that we don’t disparage those we displaced, but empathize with them, acknowledge their loss and try, in some way, to assuage it by claiming that we, too, are Indian, one with them, and one with our mutual land.
     
    Well said Whoever. Beautiful comment.

    To be fair, there was a lot of race hatred against the "Indians". But there was also appreciation of the foe. And after the conquest a fuller understanding of what we'd done--conquest--and their entirely natural desire to oppose it.

    The thing that is galling now, is after this conquest, our then giving the land up to others--almost worse of all Mexicans whom American Indians would slaughter if they'd set foot here. It's one thing to take land by conquest. But to take it from these proud, tough fighters ... then piss it away, give it to foreigners is an insult. If we were going to do that, then i wished we'd never come.
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  269. Alden says:
    @Anon
    Nonsense. Get a grip yourself. There was a so-and-so named Ignatiev who had an agenda, and who claimed the Irish were not considered white; like the "no Irish or dogs" signs, that was apocryphal, an occasional poetic opinion that did not stand scrutiny.
    There is virtually no genetic distance between the Irish and English, even in their imaginations. All an Irishman had to do to be English or an Anglo American, was leave his accent and religion in closet.

    Absolutely right. The anti White racist Noel Ignatiev’s book was just a mass of lies from beginning to end, like everything else produced from non STEM university departments.

    In America there was hatred towards the Irish but it was because of their religion and the fact that they were cheap labor immigrants. No one ever thought that the blue eyed fair skinned Irish were not White. Drunken papists maybe, but White.

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  270. syonredux says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    One thing to remember is that Indian-Paki women are generally unattractive. They have big belly rolls and no fitness/exercise culture. They also have bloated cheeks and large hooked noses. Since their women aren't hot, Indian/Paki men are tempted to look to other races with better looking women. White-American women are by no means pretty, but they look good in comparison to Indian-Paki women. So it's logical to lust after them.

    Also, from the conversations I've had with Indian-Paki guys, I've been told their own women don't put out. Even after marriage, they don't put out. Apparently, in their culture, sex is considered shameful and something you only do to get children. So married couples rarely have sex. When they occasionally do, it's considered improper for the woman to express herself sexually, so their sex lives are painfully awkward and unpleasing.

    In their society, marriages are built around family life and children, not sexual pleasure.

    The Indian/Paki men tend to throw themselves into their work and watch porn for sexual relief. The H-1b visa guys can easily work 100 hour weeks because their wives don't expect (or want) them to come and have sex. As for the Indian/Paki women, they spend enormous amounts of time watching romantic Indian Bollywood soap operas and movies. I suppose it's their way of getting sexual release.

    So it'd make sense to go after women from more sexual races (such as white women).

    Another issue is that Indian (and to a lesser extent Asian) cultures are high-investment. So men are expected to be economically successful before they start courting a woman. Once they make their intentions serious, I believe they are locked into marriage. If they don't get married, there's parental/community ostracism. So they get locked into a "K strategy" with their own women.

    If you look that OKCupid chart I posted, Indian women actually respond to White men at a MUCH higher rate than their fellow Indian men. Indian women respond to White men at a much higher rate than even White and Asian women. So it seems that Indian women (probably these are 2nd generation) are following hypergamous mating strategy in which they have casual sex with white men, but then marry an Indian guy to keep the parents happy.

    White-American women are by no means pretty, but they look good in comparison to Indian-Paki women.

    Dunno. I’ve known some pretty stunning White American women…..And, if we go by celebrities, White American women look pretty good: Ava Gardner, Megan Fox, Raquel Welch (don’t pretend that she’s not White), Jaclyn Smith, Cheryl Ladd, Grace Kelly, Sharon Tate, Kim Novak, Eva Marie Saint, …..

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  271. Jefferson says:
    @Triumph104
    Josh Saviano (Paul from the Wonder Years) has a Jewish mother and his Italian American father was a financial consultant, so it is no surprise that he ended up like he did (Yale, Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University).

    “Josh Saviano (Paul from the Wonder Years) has a Jewish mother and his Italian American father was a financial consultant, so it is no surprise that he ended up like he did (Yale, Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University).”

    In real life the cast of The Wonder Years was not a very WASP cast. Paul is Italian and Jewish, Kevin is a Jew, Winnie is Portuguese, Wayne is Jewish, and Kevin’s father is Italian. Only Kevin’s mother is a pure WASP.

    The Wonder Years is the ultimate Ellis Island cast.

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    "The Wonder Years is the ultimate Ellis Island cast"

    You left off the older sister, played by Englishwoman Olivia d'Abo. Though she ended up marrying the Jewish David Schwimmer. The voice of Older Kevin was played by the also-Jewish Daniel Stern.

    As for the fictitious family, in one episode Kevin, prompted I think by Paul's Jewishness, asks what they are. The mom goes through an extensive list of European ethnicities. I can't remember which ones, but the point was that this All American Family was full of mutts.

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  272. Alden says:
    @dcite
    Lastly, while WM are often openly contemptuous of WF-BM pairings, WFs dislike WM-AF pairings just as much, but they tend to be passive-aggressive about it.

    I have never noticed that although white men do seem to think it prevalent. Mostly in their imagination, although it takes all kinds and I'm sure it exists. The resentment of [many] black women towards white women who date black men is extremely visceral and vicious. Most white women have no idea it exists since they are not thinking like that (not all of course, but it's common). There is nothing approaching that among white women towards Asians who date white guys.
    Way back in high school there was a discussion on mixed marriage and one girl asked rhetorically why marrying Asians was not considered mixed (we didn't particularly). Various reasons were given. The priest told them that many parents had objected to their sons marrying Japanese after WWII. We were in a girls' school, so maybe our thought process was just less boy-focused because we duly and unabashedly acknowledged that "Orientals" were sort of small and cute and would naturally be attractive to a lot of guys. Our geography teacher was a Filipina and yet we still referred, unthinkingly, to the teaching staff as all white. We'd be more careful today.
    I've worked with Asian girls/ladies who were married to white guys, they've been my friends, or my friends had them as friends, a couple as best friends, and they have just blended in the general American environment. I'm in an area with a fair number of such unions, although not west coast. One girl was a Korean adoptee who really loved her adoptive mom and just naturally gravitated towards whites. Some white ladies also dated Asian guys. No big deal. I would also cite the readiness of many whites to adopt Asian kids. It's just not the same thing as the black/white dichotomy.

    Black women have an extremely visceral vicious hatred of White women period. It’s not just against White women involved with black men black women hate all White women.

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  273. syonredux says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    One thing to remember is that Indian-Paki women are generally unattractive. They have big belly rolls and no fitness/exercise culture. They also have bloated cheeks and large hooked noses. Since their women aren't hot, Indian/Paki men are tempted to look to other races with better looking women. White-American women are by no means pretty, but they look good in comparison to Indian-Paki women. So it's logical to lust after them.

    Also, from the conversations I've had with Indian-Paki guys, I've been told their own women don't put out. Even after marriage, they don't put out. Apparently, in their culture, sex is considered shameful and something you only do to get children. So married couples rarely have sex. When they occasionally do, it's considered improper for the woman to express herself sexually, so their sex lives are painfully awkward and unpleasing.

    In their society, marriages are built around family life and children, not sexual pleasure.

    The Indian/Paki men tend to throw themselves into their work and watch porn for sexual relief. The H-1b visa guys can easily work 100 hour weeks because their wives don't expect (or want) them to come and have sex. As for the Indian/Paki women, they spend enormous amounts of time watching romantic Indian Bollywood soap operas and movies. I suppose it's their way of getting sexual release.

    So it'd make sense to go after women from more sexual races (such as white women).

    Another issue is that Indian (and to a lesser extent Asian) cultures are high-investment. So men are expected to be economically successful before they start courting a woman. Once they make their intentions serious, I believe they are locked into marriage. If they don't get married, there's parental/community ostracism. So they get locked into a "K strategy" with their own women.

    If you look that OKCupid chart I posted, Indian women actually respond to White men at a MUCH higher rate than their fellow Indian men. Indian women respond to White men at a much higher rate than even White and Asian women. So it seems that Indian women (probably these are 2nd generation) are following hypergamous mating strategy in which they have casual sex with white men, but then marry an Indian guy to keep the parents happy.

    RE: National Beauty Rankings,

    Based on places that I’ve actually visited, Northern Italy wins in terms of stunners per capita….

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    Dunno. I’ve known some pretty stunning White American women…..And, if we go by celebrities, White American women look pretty good: Ava Gardner, Megan Fox, Raquel Welch (don’t pretend that she’s not White), Jaclyn Smith, Cheryl Ladd, Grace Kelly, Sharon Tate, Kim Novak, Eva Marie Saint, …..
     
    Okay, but if you look at the average, it's not very high. Mostly due to obesity. It depends where you go though. For example, if you go to the coast of Orange County or San Diego County, the quality is breathtaking. On the other hand, if you go to the Central Valley, you'll want to escape.

    Most of America is, unfortunately, closer to Central Valley than the SoCal coast.

    If you go to Arizona, you'll see an amazing contrast between Phoenix and nearby Scottsdale.

    Based on places that I’ve actually visited, Northern Italy wins in terms of stunners per capita….
     
    Italy, Spain, and Portugal are amazing. Southeastern and Eastern Europe are also excellent.

    The UK is utterly abysmal.

    That’s subjective. If you have a preference for blonde Nordic women than the average White American woman will be pretty to you.
     
    If you like blonde Nordics, go to the coast of Orange County, Nashville, or the Twin Cities.
    , @Anonym
    IIRC you are at least partly Jewish, right? Given the 50:50 Italian/Arab ethnic background of Jews, one would think that Italians would appeal to you.

    That being said, Claudia Cardinale, Sophia Loren, oh my freaking Lord were they attractive in their prime. In google image searching for "most attractive actress of all time" I can'f find any candidates I would rate higher. Maybe Bardot would be on a par or close. Isabella Rossellini in her prime was pretty amazing and an improvement on Ingrid Bergman IMO.

    My prepubescent self would have rated Grace Kelly highest, but she has a more girl-next-door quality, not so much a goddess of sultry.
    , @Jefferson
    "Based on places that I’ve actually visited, Northern Italy wins in terms of stunners per capita…."

    Why not Southern Italy?
    , @E. Rekshun
    Based on places that I’ve actually visited, Northern Italy wins in terms of stunners per capita….

    My fantasy is Sophia Loren, so you're probably correct. But the University of Florida has the most beautiful all-American women! I've heard Clemson is quite decent as well.

    The most attractive, exotic women are seen at the Miami International Airport.

    I once dated a woman from Suriname. Her mother is East Indian, her father Dutch. Shapely, light complected, green eyes, long flowing dark hair. No less than half a dozen friends and family told me she was the most beautiful woman they'd ever seen.

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  274. @Daniel Chieh
    Its seen as exotic, and I would say there's a subtle level of the general East Asian perceptions of beauty, where lighter skin is very tolerable but darker is not- perhaps extended from when darker skin was indicative of lower class. I'll bet five dollars that your average Japanese salaryman would rather be with a white girl than with a Malaysian.

    A Japanese man is more likely to take the Malaysian for a wife in spite of her creed unlike a venal Chinese who either wants to improve his social standing in the West or is hoping to have a little less Chinesey offspring. Most likely both!

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    LOL! I'm sure that you intended this as an insult, but at the time, I think my thoughts were simply that she was a great catch being cute, domestic and a teenager. I'm afraid that I'm not as far-thinking as you were assuming.
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  275. @Daniel Chieh
    Fast and Furious was the first time which I thought a movie portrayed Asians as cool, I agree. I don't really have anything against villainous status.

    That said, I think acceptance of Asians as possible mates was largely due to anime more than anything in my experience, at the least. How I largely went about dating white girls, if I was looking for them, was to find women who shared an interest in anime.

    Modern Hollywood ramblings as Asian in skin only, and part of some stupid agenda - Walking Dead's Glenn being a star example. He's a deracinated individual who they wanted to intentionally emphasize street smarts, former thuggery, and lack of academic skills, because let's all be cool and edgy, and completely miss the point. Sigh.

    Since I rather would be with girls who could accept me for being who I was, including "stereotypes" that had a lot of truth, women who took their models of Asian media including the entire "gambatte" culture and general acceptance of high levels of "nerdiness" worked out better in my experience.

    “Fast and Furious was the first time which I thought a movie portrayed Asians as cool””

    Surely you jest.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000041/#director

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    That I knew of at the time. I was pretty young and like many, more into pop culture than older movies - though I did, indeed, grow out of that stage fortunately. Its a pity that we live in very much an Age of Distraction, I've come to appreciate a lot of older movies and it amazes me the sheer amount of artistry that was practiced then - for example, the usage of still-shots in old Westerns to build emotional images prior to any action - that have been completely ignored. It actually feels like entire techniques and storytelling methods have been forgotten.
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  276. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Return of Shawn
    Steve,

    I am wondering if you have any recommendations as to where Northwestern-European descended people should live if they want to be around other Northwestern-Europeans descended people? If former Midwesterners reside there that would be a plus. I am specifically wondering about the Southern California region.

    Rancho Sante Fe in San Diego County or Del Mar, perhaps? I know it's big $$. Rancho Bernardo used to be pretty good from what I hear. Maybe it still is.

    Northwestern U.S. (Washington, Oregon). Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Northern California may also work if you like less crowded places (and lots of empty space). But you should like H2O.

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  277. Alden says:
    @anon

    100% of the high educational attainment black-white mixed marriages I know of, the white person is Jewish.
     
    Agree about the disproportion but 100% of a very low number is still a very low number.

    This is why I think the notion in some corners of the internet that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to encourage intermarriage among non-Jews while avoiding it in their group is silly–these guys (secular liberal Jews) don’t just preach, they have drunk the kool-aid.
     
    Whatever the reason(s) behind it the media are clearly obsessed with making white people disappear - from the past, the present and the future.

    One of those reasons is the banking mafia - who own the media - want a world of 85 IQ slave cattle.

    I read the Jewish Journal and other Jewish publications that are scattered around my neighborhood. There is a major push for Jewish men Chinese woman marriage. There are also numerous articles about the ancient history of Jewish communities in China and in Central Asia along the Silk Road.

    There is also a lot of propaganda about similarity between Jewish and Chinese culture of education, hard work, family values entrepreneurship lie cheat and steal etc. Somehow these articles never mention Jewish pro communism, pro black, pro school bussing, pro criminal, pro gay, transgender etc and other Jewish causes that the Chinese don’t like.

    Being cynical and suspicious I believe that all that propaganda is preparation for a massive Jewish jump to China after they destroy America.

    They did a massive jump from Russia and Eastern Europe to the Americas Palestine and S Africa starting about 140 years ago.

    Dianne Feinstein’s husband Richard Blum was the first American to invest in Chinese slave labor factories within months of the opening to China.

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    China is rapidly Christianizing, they say, which will make it easier for them to take it over. I wouldn't bet against them.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    That's an interesting thesis, because by all accounts bright Chinese are intrigued by Jewish success and there are books published in China on the subject.

    (the massive jump to S. Africa, I wonder how many are still there now it's a rainbow democracy?)
    , @AnotherDad

    Being cynical and suspicious I believe that all that propaganda is preparation for a massive Jewish jump to China after they destroy America.
     
    Sure, the Jews *want* that to happen. "Open societies" everywhere. Anywhere and everywhere must be open to and penetrable by Jews. Anything else is "anti-semitism!" But it's not going to happen. The Chinese aren't that stupid.

    The European thing was a one off. The religious element provided some space for Jews to be able to exist in, yet stay separate from European nations. Then simple greed and shortsightedness by a number of European leaders, who didn't understand the long term problems and backwardness they were engendering by allowing in a middle man minority.

    But no one sane, at least not any competent peoples who can do things for themselves, is going to allow the Jews to come in and grab a commanding position in their economy. It's utter insanity.

    The Chinese have been through their burst of Maoist insanity. And now they are watching the West implode from Jewish minoritarianism, feminism and Christian be-nice-ism. They aren't going to draw the lesson "hey, let's invite in the Jews and get some of that!"
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  278. tsotha says:

    Among the most striking findings was that black men are twice as likely to intermarry as black women — a gender split that reversed for Asian and Pacific Islander Americans and, to researchers, underscores the grip of deeply rooted societal stereotypes.

    That last sentence smells of ass. If you’re a researcher, kindly refrain from imposing your own world view on other people.

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  279. @JohnnyWalker123
    One thing to remember is that Indian-Paki women are generally unattractive. They have big belly rolls and no fitness/exercise culture. They also have bloated cheeks and large hooked noses. Since their women aren't hot, Indian/Paki men are tempted to look to other races with better looking women. White-American women are by no means pretty, but they look good in comparison to Indian-Paki women. So it's logical to lust after them.

    Also, from the conversations I've had with Indian-Paki guys, I've been told their own women don't put out. Even after marriage, they don't put out. Apparently, in their culture, sex is considered shameful and something you only do to get children. So married couples rarely have sex. When they occasionally do, it's considered improper for the woman to express herself sexually, so their sex lives are painfully awkward and unpleasing.

    In their society, marriages are built around family life and children, not sexual pleasure.

    The Indian/Paki men tend to throw themselves into their work and watch porn for sexual relief. The H-1b visa guys can easily work 100 hour weeks because their wives don't expect (or want) them to come and have sex. As for the Indian/Paki women, they spend enormous amounts of time watching romantic Indian Bollywood soap operas and movies. I suppose it's their way of getting sexual release.

    So it'd make sense to go after women from more sexual races (such as white women).

    Another issue is that Indian (and to a lesser extent Asian) cultures are high-investment. So men are expected to be economically successful before they start courting a woman. Once they make their intentions serious, I believe they are locked into marriage. If they don't get married, there's parental/community ostracism. So they get locked into a "K strategy" with their own women.

    If you look that OKCupid chart I posted, Indian women actually respond to White men at a MUCH higher rate than their fellow Indian men. Indian women respond to White men at a much higher rate than even White and Asian women. So it seems that Indian women (probably these are 2nd generation) are following hypergamous mating strategy in which they have casual sex with white men, but then marry an Indian guy to keep the parents happy.

    “White-American women are by no means pretty”

    LOL!

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    Female attractiveness is mainly due to makeup and clothing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL4qpLgtfTI
    , @dcite
    @JohnnyWalker123
    “White-American women are by no means pretty”

    LOL!


    Hollywood's earth-wide beauty standards have been pretty much set by white American girls for the past 12 decades, all European nationalities represented. As in almost anyplace, great beauties are rare, but various degrees of prettiness are quite prevalent among the hundreds of millions of whites in this country. That said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I actually concur that there is something about Europeans, men or women, that I prefer, all things being equal; something that gives the physical appearance a different quality than in America. It's just a matter of preference.
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  280. @(((Owen)))

    The reasons for the ubiquity of the WM-AF pairing are in my opinion somewhat complex. One of the major ones, in my view, is there seems to be less cognitive sexual dimorphism in Asians compared to whites. For example, white women seem to be much worse at math and spatial reasoning than white men (and much better at languages), but I don’t detect a huge difference between the sexes among Asians. I don’t know if this is nature or nurture, but the net effect of this is that engineering classes, for example, seem to have lots of WM, lots of AM, lots of AF, proportionally few WF. Lots of people meet in college.
     
    This appears to be an American phenomenon. Dimorphism in engineering and science college enrollment in Asia is extreme. Todai, the most elite university in Japan (and all Asia), has 82% male and 18% female undergrad enrollment. More technical schools have even steeper ratios. Korea and China have differences almost as unequal.

    So something about being an Asian-American girl tilts them away from easy majors and frivolous subjects and persuades them to study science like men do. Whatever it is, it sure imprints a preference for Asian women onto nerdy white men. When your youth is spent with reasonable and interesting Asian girls and hostile status-mongering virtue signalling anti-intellectual white girls, you can't help but notice. I sure did.

    In Japan at least, women are expected to stop working once they have children. So putting a lot of energy into a STEM degree doesn’t make too much sense.

    In the US, over half the women who enter STEM fields leave them within a decade. If the US women getting STEM degrees are overwhelming Asian, then Asian women are not staying in the field.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/study-women-leave-stem-jobs-for-the-reasons-men-only-want-to

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    A Japanese friend I knew who worked in Google both in Japan and in the US said that female coders were just as abysmal in Japan as they were in America, but in the US, they get more affirmative action and grrl power.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Most American women getting STEM degrees are NOT Asian-American. Where'd you get that statistic? Only about 1/5th of U.S. female workers are Asian. Around 70% of American female STEM workers are white.

    More American women would stay in STEM if hours were shorter. Hours are much too long, mostly because the sexless H-1bs are willing to work 15-hr days, 6-7 days per week.
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