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Wesley Lowery — National Reporter for the Washington Post and Pulitzer Prize winner, is extremely angry at Heather Mac Donald for writing an article for National Review that mentions the huge race gap in shootings in New York City:

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Is Heather’s 50X for shootings in NYC correct? It was not in 2014:

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Instead, 50X was an understatement that year when the ratio hit 98x.

In the year 2014 in New York City, non-Hispanic blacks were arrested at a rate (relative to their share of the city population) of over 98 times rate at which non-Hispanic whites were arrested. I wouldn’t bet too much on that extreme ratio being replicated every year since it is highly dependent upon a tiny denominator of white arrestees, which could easily fluctuate up or down just due to chance.

Also, the homicide gap isn’t quite as large as the shooting gap in NYC, due to whites tending more to commit their homicides without guns, such as with fists or vehicles. And, it’s not implausible that there are a small number of professional hits carried out in NYC by white professional hitmen who are experts at not getting arrested. But, in general, white on white killings tend to be cleared: a lot of them are domestic violence, or brawls, or murder-suicides, or whatever.

Moreover, NYC whites are exceptional among American whites in general in being less prone to gun violence.

On the other hand, New York City blacks may be less prone to gun violence than African Americans in general as well. For example, NYC has long had a sizable West Indian population that tends to be more bourgeois, a growing African immigrant population that got in for educational credentials, and an African-American middle class that goes back to the Harlem Renaissance or before.

But all this is a reminder that New York City crime isn’t really like it looks on “Law & Order.”

The Color of Crime

Race, Crime, and Justice in America 

2016 Revised Edition

By Edwin S. Rubenstein

New Century Foundation

… New York City, for example, does not participate in NIBRS but it records the races of arrested offenders, and consistently distinguishes between whites and Hispanics. In 2014, 374 people were arrested for murder. Their races were as follows:

White: 2.9 percent

Black: 61.8 percent

Hispanic: 31.8 percent

Asian: 2.7 percent

Other: 0.8 percent

Police take murder very seriously and investigate all cases carefully. Press and judicial system scrutiny are high. Arrest rates for murder therefore track actual crime rates more closely than for any other crime. Murder is probably the crime for which it would be most difficult for police to make “biased” arrests even if they wanted.

Given a population (page B1 of report) that was 32.8 percent white, 22.6 percent black, 28.9 percent Hispanic, and 13.0 percent Asian, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely than a white, and an Asian was twice as likely.

These multiples and those for other crimes appear as graphs on the next page. A “shooting” is discharge of a firearm in which a bullet strikes a person. There is another way to express these disparities. If New York City had been all white in 2014—and the additional whites committed crimes at the same rates as the city’s actual white residents—there would have been 32 murder arrests instead of 374, 1,844 robbery arrests instead of 10,163, and 16 arrests for shootings rather than 503. These figures would reflect reductions in these crimes of no less than 91, 81, and 97 percent, respectively. There are race differences in crime rates throughout the United States, but the differences are particularly sharp in New York and other major cities. This is probably because whites who live in urban centers are often relatively wealthy whereas blacks and Hispanics who live in cities are relatively poor.

The racial ratios for shootings in 2016 were also extremely high according to the NYPD Supplementary Homicide Report:

Shootings Shooting victims are most frequently Black (72.5%) or Hispanic (23.3%). White victims account for an additional (2.9%) of all Shooting victims while Asian/Pacific Islanders victims account for (1.3%) of all Shooting Victims. The race/ethnicity of known Shooting suspects is most frequently Black (70.7%). Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional (26.9%) of all suspects. White suspects (1.9%) and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.6%) accounted for the remaining portion of known Shooting suspects. The Shooting arrest population is similarly distributed. Black arrestees (67.5%) and Hispanic arrestees (29.2%) account for the majority of Shooting arrest population. White arrestees (2.3%) and Asian/Pacific Islander arrestees (1.0%) account for the remaining portion of the Shooting arrest population.

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Something else to keep in mind is that in recent decades, New York City has had far more young black women than young black men, as first noted by Jonathan Tilove in 2003. I followed up on him in 2013 using 2000 Census data:

I finally found a government report for New York City in 2000, and, yes, the ratio of black males to females plummets from about age 21 onward. To eliminate the natural effect of women living longer on average, I just looked at ages 20 through 39 in New York City. There were 28% more black women than men in that cohort.

And, it’s not much caused by black women moving to New York because they were fans of Sex and the City, either. In Manhattan (which includes Harlem), the gap was smallest, with just 15% more women than men among 20 to 39 year olds. In more middle class Queens, with its large West Indian population, the gap was only 18%. In Staten Island 27%, in the Bronx 32%, and in Brooklyn, which had, by far, New York City’s largest black population, the gap was 35%.

Hopefully, the decline in homicides and AIDS deaths means the gap is smaller in the 2010 Census, but I haven’t been able to find any numbers for NYC from that Census yet.

 
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  1. What exactly is Wesley’s rebuttal to the article, other than it’s “racist”? All he does is express his moral indignation towards it, this will draw more attention to it, causing people to notice things.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    What exactly is Wesley’s rebuttal to the article, other than it’s “racist”?
     
    Get WOKE, bigot. Calling something racist is the ultimate rebuttal.
    , @Almost Missouri

    What exactly is Wesley’s rebuttal to the article, other than it’s “racist”?
     
    One cannot argue with an incredulous stare.

    "Racist!" is the current year's incredulous stare.

    Wesley Lowery doesn't want to argue or to be argued with. He just wants to enforce the Narrative™ via his incredulous stare.
    , @Ed
    He says the phrasing suggests that blacks are inherently more likely to shoot. I tried to explain to him this is simply how correlations are verbalized but he wasn’t having any of it.
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  2. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Is It Racist to Notice That on Average Blacks Shoot People More?

    Yes it is, but I spell it is RACE-IST.

    Ism means belief, and race + ism means belief in the reality of race and racial differences. Races being different emote, express, and act differently. Blacks being naturally more aggressive, egotistical, and funky, are prone to act more uninhibited, impulsive, and aggressive. So, they tend to fight more and kill more.

    We need to be race-ist. All people are actually race-ist at least subconsciously to the extent that they do notice racial differences. They either find other races inferior or superior in certain regards.

    What goes by the term ‘anti-racism’ is really neo-racism that really privileges blacks. Since blacks are supposed to be put upon a pedestal, we are not supposed to notice their violence and ugliness. This is just neo-racism. Paleo-racism privileged whites. Neo-racism privileges blacks as objects of sympathy and worship.

    Be a Tru-Racist or Race-ist. Unlike Paleo-Racists and Neo-Racists who are race-ist but deny it and accuse the other side, Tru-Racists or Race-ists admit they see race and racial differences.

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  3. syonredux says:

    This is the racist core of the article – black people are dangerous, their presence brings violence and their absence brings safety. This is her thesis

    Dear Mr Lowery,

    If that is her thesis, why don’t you refute it? You know, with stuff like statistics?As opposed to simply crying the modern version of “anathema maranatha!”

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    If you look at disorganized crime on a global basis, blacks, Hispanics, and perhaps certain Eastern European ethnicities are the clear leaders.
    , @AndrewR
    Blackness correlates not only with rates of gun violence but also with low IQ, which would explain Lowery's embarrassing #WowJustWow tweet
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  4. Yan Shen says:

    But all this is a reminder that New York City crime isn’t really like it looks on “Law & Order.”

    In all fairness, I’ve watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white. Since plots tended to be ripped from the headlines, maybe there was more of a focus on uh sensationalized white collar crimes?

    Also, I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I’m wrong about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013).[46][48]

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    • Replies: @Kam Phlodius
    I watched about twenty episodes of "Law & Order" in the 90's and I concluded they should have called it "Varieties of White Criminality" or "How White People Sneak Into The City From The Suburbs And Commit Crimes Which Are Then Blamed On Blacks." They even did an episode on how evil Korean shopkeepers trap blacks in cages and shoot them, and one on how the Catholic Church wields decisive political power behind the scenes!

    If this TV show is not an example of political correctness - in that is misrepresents reality and therefore puts people's lives in danger - political correctness does not exist. This "Dick Wolf" guy is a criminal himself. He has contributed to political deception on a massive scale. His series was watched by tens of millions of naive, credulous citizens who wanted to believe the American experiment was working.
    , @syonredux

    In all fairness, I’ve watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white
     
    Dunno. Murder is a violent crime, and a very large percentage of the murderers on the show are Whites with White Collar jobs....
    , @Alden
    Chinese crime in America isn’t street crime. It’s organized crime, prostitution, illegal gambling and extortion mostly.

    Except for the massage parlors and brothels, the crime is confined to other Chinese so it’s often not reported. The extortion is horrible. It’s not just confined to threatening businesses.

    The extortionists collect extortion money from very ordinary people.

    Legal gambling casinos were a real blow to the people who ran the illegal gambling.
    , @North Carolina Resident
    Yan - This is from is a University of Florida research paper.

    "Law & Order creates a false impression of white criminality and this impression is remembered and accepted by non-white viewers."

    Manufacturing white criminals: Depictions of criminality and violence on Law & Order

    "This study examines exposure to the police drama television genre and its impact on perceptions of crime and racial criminality. Content analyses of three seasons of Law & Order were examined to evaluate the show’s portrayal of race and crime compared to actual crime statistics for New York City during the same periods. A survey was also conducted to examine perceptions of personal safety and the influence of television’s depiction of race and crime. Results suggest whites are disproportionately portrayed as criminals five to eight times more often on police dramas compared to actual crime statistics for the city of New York, exposure to police dramas increases beliefs of threats to personal safety, and exposure to police dramas leads to elevated perceptions of white criminality among non-whites. Results provide additional support for cultivation theory and “Mean World Syndrome,” and implications for delimitation and racial distrust."
    , @Alden
    Every law and order show I have ever watched has a wealthy, educated White as the murderer.

    A few are middle class, but they are all White. Reminds me of John Grisham’s book “ A Time To Kill.”

    Grisham sat in a courtroom and watched the trial of black men who committed a horrific torture rape of 2 pre teen White girls.

    He wrote a book about it but reversed the races, 2 black men raping and torturing a 10 year old black girl.

    Well, he had to do it to get the book published.

    Law and order reminds me of the Agatha Christie murder mysteries. She wrote more than one hundred. And not one murderer was anything but middle to upper class.
    , @Daniel H
    >>Also, I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category

    I think that you may have a point here. 30-35 years ago I was a yellow cab driver in New York and the police would pass around every week the "most wanted" posters to all the garages. (What did they think that we lowly cab drivers would do with that information?). Anyway, I was struck by how many Guyanese immigrants were on the lists, for crimes such as murder, assault, robbery, rape. I knew they were Guyanese because "their last known whereabouts" were always listed as the Guyanese ghettos of Richmond Hill and Ozone Park. For whatever reason, Guyanese (of Indian descent) were significantly more violent than Indians, Pakis, and of course Chinese.
    , @Da Wei
    Yan Shen, I'll bet you're right on the mark here when you say,

    "Also, I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I’m wrong about that."

    I have another, though tangential, angle on this whole thing that gripes me.

    In yet another aspect, with all the rootin' tootin' shootemup crap, or even the stilted reporting of it, we've shot ourselves in the foot. Chinese immigrants generally are good, productive citizens, and they're informed. Middle class Chinese looking to emigrate for retirement see our crime stats -- and specifics like the November shooting of 74 year old Ruxin Wang in Nashville by youfs who escaped into the projects -- and they look elsewhere to go retire and buy their million dollar homes. They go to Australia or a suburb of Toronto and lead peaceful, productive lives that might otherwise have benefitted the USA. I'm speaking from direct experience with people I know. We've lost commerce in other ways, too, from Chinese made wary by hysterical television or other "news" reports of "gun violence". I've found that most Americans are cock-eyed sure of what China is all about -- after all, they've seen it on television -- but in reality are sadly uninformed. Well, I said this was tangential, but it's still a gripe.
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  5. syonredux says:
    @Perspective
    What exactly is Wesley's rebuttal to the article, other than it's "racist"? All he does is express his moral indignation towards it, this will draw more attention to it, causing people to notice things.

    What exactly is Wesley’s rebuttal to the article, other than it’s “racist”?

    Get WOKE, bigot. Calling something racist is the ultimate rebuttal.

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    • Replies: @nebulafox
    The word is beginning to lose its power among people, a result of overuse and repeated too-casual from the Left.
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  6. Dan Hayes says:

    Steve,

    While I agree with you that NYC’s West Indian population may be more bourgeois than other blacks, there nevertheless is a lot of gunplay and murder associated with the city’s annual West Indian Day Parade and concomitant J’Ouvert overnight pre-party! For example, a top aide of Governor Andrew Cuomo was recently gunned down in the crossfire!

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Haven’t violent Dominican street criminals pretty much taken over sections of Morning Side Heights and other parts of Manhattan?

    I believe the bourgeois law abiding West Indians were 1950s immigrants. I remember numerous sociology articles extolling the fact that West Indians had a much lower crime rate than American blacks.
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  7. biz says:

    That factor of 3 difference between the shooting ratio and the murder ratio has to do with holding the gun sideways.

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    I bet it does account for some of the gap.
    , @Dr. X

    That factor of 3 difference between the shooting ratio and the murder ratio has to do with holding the gun sideways.
     
    ...plus the tendency of black criminals to use cheap, low-quality guns like .25 Autos instead of .357s. The high quality of trauma care in urban emergency rooms is probably another factor...
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  8. Yan Shen says:
    @syonredux

    This is the racist core of the article - black people are dangerous, their presence brings violence and their absence brings safety. This is her thesis
     
    Dear Mr Lowery,

    If that is her thesis, why don't you refute it? You know, with stuff like statistics?As opposed to simply crying the modern version of "anathema maranatha!"

    If you look at disorganized crime on a global basis, blacks, Hispanics, and perhaps certain Eastern European ethnicities are the clear leaders.

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  9. Look, Steve, you’re just not getting it, so let me explain it t you very simply so your tiny, racist mind can understand:

    1. All racial groups (not that there really are races but you racist whites keep categorizing humans into racial groups for no reason) are perfectly equal under the skin.

    1. a. Btw, different skin tones and skeletal structures don’t prove anything. The brain is special. I mean, why would nature ever change the brain along with the rest of the body. It’s not like the brain is important to survival.

    2. All cultures are equal. No culture leads to better or worse outcomes. They are all equally beautiful.

    3. Due to (1) and (2), any differences in outcomes between what you call “races” would be caused by an outside force.

    4. Given the fact that whites (really, white males, not that there really is a racial category called white) have dominated this country and its institutions for four centuries, that outside force is quite obviously white racism.

    5. White racism is responsible for all differences among what you call “races,” except in sports and entertainment where blacks (not there is such a thing as the black race, though I’m quite proud to be black, not that it really exists) simply work harder than whites (if whites were really a racial group, which they’re not, except white racists like you).

    6. If you (or Ms. MacDonald) bring up differences among various so-called racial groups (not that there are such things but you won’t let it go) without acknowledging that these differences are caused by white racism, you are racist, and, thus, perpetuating the problem.

    Therefore, Ms. MacDonald is a racist. Despite what you say, PC is not a war on noticing. In fact, it is a War on Not Noticing White Racism.

    P.S. Don’t even think about bringing up NE Asians and their performance compared to whites in a variety of metrics because it’s racist, you racist. Did I mention that you’re a racist.

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    • Replies: @Da Wei
    Man, Citizen, you either have your tongue in your cheek or your head up your ass.

    I think it's the former, but that's just my own modest proposal.
    , @Joekoool102
    Are you mad bro, just because he used facts? We use facts to sit at the grown up table. The writer did mention the breakdown of the African-American family, which has been growing since LBJ exacerbated the welfare state.

    Good thing the author didn't use Chicago's statistics.

    So what you're saying is Americans can't have a rational conversation on race based on facts. This release of responsibility is holding the black man down and especially the African-American family.

    The soft bigotry of low expectations of blacks is pushed by the media and liberals. However I don't see this in the blue collar world, where blacks and whites have a mutual consensus of respect for family, working class America and disdain for violent crime.
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  10. Don’t read his Twitter thread. It was not enlightening.

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  11. nebulafox says:
    @syonredux

    What exactly is Wesley’s rebuttal to the article, other than it’s “racist”?
     
    Get WOKE, bigot. Calling something racist is the ultimate rebuttal.

    The word is beginning to lose its power among people, a result of overuse and repeated too-casual from the Left.

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  12. @Perspective
    What exactly is Wesley's rebuttal to the article, other than it's "racist"? All he does is express his moral indignation towards it, this will draw more attention to it, causing people to notice things.

    What exactly is Wesley’s rebuttal to the article, other than it’s “racist”?

    One cannot argue with an incredulous stare.

    “Racist!” is the current year’s incredulous stare.

    Wesley Lowery doesn’t want to argue or to be argued with. He just wants to enforce the Narrative™ via his incredulous stare.

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  13. (fka Broski)

    Black crime rates (so high as to shock upon first learning of them) are one of the two Great Unmentionables, along with black IQ (shockingly low) and, resultingly, performance on nearly all tasks of significance to modern human functioning. These Great Unmentionables make the blank slate/environmentalist theory of racial achievement gaps laughable, and an obvious result of certain parties advocating in bad faith.

    That’s why mentioning either one results in howls of indignation from the Court’s useful idiots.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    40 percent of blacks have IQs below 80.

    That is astonishingly low.
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  14. @biz
    That factor of 3 difference between the shooting ratio and the murder ratio has to do with holding the gun sideways.

    I bet it does account for some of the gap.

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    • Replies: @Stephen Marle II
    I found this, an over-the-top explanation of why gang members might prefer the side grip, beyond its use in movies and on television:

    https://www.quora.com/Gangster-1/Why-do-gangsters-hold-their-guns-sideways/answer/Jon-Davis-10

    "If you ask them they would probably not have ever heard of Flash Sight Picture, but this is the technique they are using.... So you see there is a rational method to the way that gangsters aim their weapon."

    , @SPLC Hate Tracker
    Hard to measure but I think the hard working Emergency Medicine professionals (starting with the EMTs) keep the numbers down. Many large urban area hospitals have very good departments of EM. There also seems to be an influx of experienced surgeons, EMTs and nurses who have seen and treated complex gunshot wound cases due to their service in U.S. military medical units in the Iraq/Afghanistan theater. So if you get shot in Chicago chances are that you will receive prompt, effective trauma treatment.
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  15. What’s up with the Asian crime rate in NYC: way above white? If white New Yorkers weren’t preoccupied with blacks and Hispanics, they would be crossing the street to avoid Asians!

    Are Chinatown Tong gangs running amok? Or is it just that the white New Yorkers are so SWPL that they depress the white crime rate even below the Asian one?

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Probably some combination of 1) the aggregate Asian category lumping together various ethnicities such as Southeast Asians, South Asians, and East Asians into a single group 2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians
    , @biz
    A lot of it likely comes down to the demographics of the two groups in NYC.

    1. Whatever percentage of the NY population Asians are overall, they must be a significantly larger fraction of the under 25 population, or at least a significantly larger fraction of the under 25 population that is not Orthodox or Haredi Jews. The latter form a large part of the under 25 white population of NYC because of their large families, and say what you will about them but they stay away from violent crime.

    2. Included under Asians are not just Northeast Asians and South Asian Hindus but also Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims, and probably Afghanis and others.
    , @Brutusale
    Do you know any non-elite Chinese? They'll abscond with anything not nailed down, which I'm sure causes some friction with others.
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  16. Yan Shen says:

    As I stated in an earlier thread, while African Americans today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have historically tended to excel at organized violence and brutality. This has led both blacks such as Ta Nehisi Coates and whites such as John Derbyshire to be wary of each other. A few centuries of whites brutalizing blacks both in North America and in Africa has left men like Coates still shell shocked by what all just happened. And so we hear him endlessly lamenting this past history of racism and oppression.

    On the other hand, blacks today behave pretty badly in America. One of the major things that the mainstream media is reluctant to address is the phenomenon of blacks brutalizing Asians in the Bay Area, leading many Asian Americans to have become frustrated by this culture of political correctness.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/us/02sfcrime.html

    Sadly as with other issues such as affirmative action, Asian Americans often end up being the biggest victims of this black on white feuding, in which blacks and whites basically pretend that they’re the only interesting ethnics groups that matter.

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  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Is It Racist to Notice That on Average Blacks Shoot People More?

    Reality is racist. Simply noticing facts and patterns is considered racist. Come to think of it, under a perfectly reasonable definition of “racism” (i.e., admitting consequential racial differences in genetic traits) just about any observation that involves group differences is racist.

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    • Replies: @Allan
    You are correct, correct, correct that "just about any observation that involves group differences is racist". In short, it's racist even to notice that there are different breeds of humans with consequential genetic differences, just as there are different breeds of dogs, cats, horses, and other domesticated animals. So dread "racism" is not inherently wrong.

    The antiracism fanatics, however, seek to pathologize mere "noticing facts and patterns" and to stigmatize some racists—but usually not the brown and black racists—such that they become pariahs who are ashamed for knowing truth. This unprovoked aggression and mental cruelty can lead to suffering, deprivation, and other harm, so there is a very good case for condemning antiracism as immoral and antisocial.

    Given the extreme enmity and malice of antiracism activists, we ought to change the law (i) to decriminalize private counterattacks against antiracists and (ii) to permit the courts to impose harsh civil and criminal penalities upon those destructive, self-righteous pests.

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  18. Yan Shen says:
    @Almost Missouri
    What's up with the Asian crime rate in NYC: way above white? If white New Yorkers weren't preoccupied with blacks and Hispanics, they would be crossing the street to avoid Asians!

    Are Chinatown Tong gangs running amok? Or is it just that the white New Yorkers are so SWPL that they depress the white crime rate even below the Asian one?

    Probably some combination of 1) the aggregate Asian category lumping together various ethnicities such as Southeast Asians, South Asians, and East Asians into a single group 2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians

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    • Replies: @jon

    2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians
     
    Agreed. The typical White in NY is an old money Jew or WASP, or a gentrifying trust-funder. But a sizable chunk of the Asian population includes poorer immigrants.
    , @nebulafox
    Asian-Americans are hardly homogeneous. I can't speak for New York, but in Seattle, Khmer immigrants tend to be heavily working class, contribute to the crime rate, and are dealing with all sorts of issues (PTSD sadly runs rampant among older Khmers). They have nowhere near the same attainment rates as their Vietnamese counterparts, who largely emigrated around the same time.

    This probably wasn't helped by the fact that Cambodia's Chinese minority was largely killed, whereas Vietnam's Chinese minority fled or was expelled after 1975 and intermingled with the Kinh refugees. Lot of Hoa among Vietnamese-Americans, bringing with them the stereotypical Overseas Chinese skills.

    , @prosa123
    [relatively high Asian crime rates]
    "Probably some combination of 1) the aggregate Asian category lumping together various ethnicities such as Southeast Asians, South Asians, and East Asians into a single group 2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians"

    I wouldn't say that 1) is too significant. From what I've gathered, Asian crime rates nationwide are relatively higher among SE Asians and Pacific Islanders, and neither group is common in NYC. South Asians don't see too criminally inclined; the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis may present some cultural issues but don't usually commit crimes (as many are bodega owners in bad areas they probably tend to be crime victims). The one possible exception are the Indo-Guyanese, some of whom can be rather uncouth sorts.
    Chances are, the main reason for the relatively high crime rate is the presence of many poor Chinese immigrants, in other words 3).

    As for 2), I agree completely. NYC has almost no white underclass and not much remaining white working class. While many of the Hasidim are poor, whatever crime such as domestic violence that may occur in their community is usually kept within their community and doesn't enter into the statistics.
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  19. Wesley fails reading comprehension:

    “This is the racist core of the article – black people are dangerous…”

    No, Heather is very clear in her article — she explains that she thinks black MEN are dangerous, not black people and that it is not a good idea for young black boys to be raised predominately by single mothers.

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  20. Mike P. says:

    I’d like to know where Mr. Lowery lives in DC. Blacks constitute 50.7% of DC as a whole. Is the figure for Mr. Lowery’s zip code higher or lower than that?

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  21. In 2014, 374 people were arrested for murder. Their races were as follows:

    White: 2.9 percent

    Black: 61.8 percent

    Hispanic: 31.8 percent

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    I know for a fact that an awful lot of Dominicans are deported back to their homeland after serving sentences in New York. Dominican street gangs like Dominicans Don’t Play are predominant in the Washington Heights area of New York.

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/01/23/government-now-treats-deported-dominicans-more-humanely/

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/03/18/100-dominican-ex-convicts-deported-from-the-u-s-arrive-today/

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    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.
     
    Yeah. I suspect that the NY rates are a tad inflated due to the presence of large numbers of Black Latinx
    , @jon

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.
     
    That's a good point. Normally, we think of Hispanics as being racially classified as White, but the Dominicans and Puerto Ricans are probably often classified racially as Black.
    , @Anonymous

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    I know for a fact that an awful lot of Dominicans are deported back to their homeland after serving sentences in New York. Dominican street gangs like Dominicans Don’t Play are predominant in the Washington Heights area of New York.
     
    My father was in the DR as a tech rep and worked with the Dominican air force, whose members tended to be a little higher grade of person than the average Dominican.

    Dominicans are mulattos, with whiter ones generally having higher intelligence , self-control and future time orientation. But you find a few pretty white ones being low grade and some pretty black ones being high grade. It happens.

    The Spaniards had the race description thing figured out, with a plethora of terms.Those terms worked well. And still do.

    The late Porfirio Rubirosa was a light skinned mulatto (probably what we in an earlier day would have called quadroon or octoroon). He was intelligent, at least of slightly higher than avarage white intelligence. He is most famous today because of his success at being a gigolo and for (one) reason why, his enormous, perpetually semi-hard member.

    Mariah Carey is a parda: she has white, black and indio blood. She's also mad as a hatter. I've seen her in person: she has an odd skin tone that reminds me of the instructional medical dummies they use in vo-tech hospital orderly or CNA programs. She looks far better in pictures than in person.

    Puerto Ricans are also apparently mulattoes, perhaps with a little indio admixture: but as a general rule, Dominicans are a higher grade of people on average.
    , @Ed
    Depends on who is doing the classification but a Dominican would rarely self-classify as “black”. That is the worst thing to be considered in Dominican culture. They’d sooner be classified as Indio than Negro.
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  22. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Wesley thinks this way because of his black genetics. Blacks are naturally more self-centered and self-aggrandizing. It doesn’t occur to him that too many blacks kill one another because they have attitudes like himself. “Who? Me? Dindu Nuffin.” Every black gang that attacks another black gang has Wesley’s attitude. “Dindu Nuffin” and the entire blame is on the other side.

    It’s telling that his Twitter page has the pic of Radio Raheem, the dumb thug who goes around showing no one any respect but demands respect from others. He never tries to earn respect and just demands it even though he is the biggest moron and thug in town.

    Wesley is educated and smarter than Raheem, but he too has black genetics that makes him full of hisself. It’s like that Charles Blow talking of his ‘incandescent rage’. Sheeeeeiiit. He don’t just feel angry like most folks. He be ‘incandescent’ with rage.

    Too many eldritch energies in our nation, and we can thank genius Coates for that observation.

    PS. Is Wesley a mulatto, a product of black man colonizing a white woman’s womb? Well, his very existence owes to racial stereotypes. If his mother is white, she rejected white men and went with superior Negro stud to give birth to a proud mulatto kid who be filled with incandescent rage like Blow.

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    Wesley thinks
     
    cite needed
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  23. Noah172 says:

    Moreover, NYC whites are exceptional among American whites in general in being less prone to gun violence.

    Because they are a more Jewish group than whites elsewhere (and less Scots-Irish* and Irish). Also, many NYC whites are rich elites.

    * actual Scots-Irish, not iSteve comment thread (((Scots-Irish)))

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    Italians and Irish don't shoot each other much either.

    The better Mafia movies have only a few murders.

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  24. Thomm says:

    So why isn’t Wesley opting to save a ton of money and live in a black area where the rent is cheap despite it being near the desirable parts of the city? In the tri-state area, Harlem, the Bronx, and Newark all qualify. Harlem in particular is just 30 blocks from some of the best places to have fun at, and has Columbia University to boast of. It is even near LaGuardia, making it easier to be a jet-setter.

    This should be the standard retort to such attacks, whether the SJW in question is black or white.

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  25. @Steve Sailer
    I bet it does account for some of the gap.

    I found this, an over-the-top explanation of why gang members might prefer the side grip, beyond its use in movies and on television:

    https://www.quora.com/Gangster-1/Why-do-gangsters-hold-their-guns-sideways/answer/Jon-Davis-10

    “If you ask them they would probably not have ever heard of Flash Sight Picture, but this is the technique they are using…. So you see there is a rational method to the way that gangsters aim their weapon.”

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    No, it's because they're idiots and don't know anything about guns. They also do stupid crap like use the wrong caliber ammo, which causes their guns to jam.
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  26. Dr. X says:

    Is It Racist to Notice That on Average Blacks Shoot People More?

    According to the insanely left-wing powers-that-be in New York, the answer is, emphatically, “Yes.” The solution, as they see it, is to disarm everyone, including Upstate whites. And, dear reader, they wish to implement this “solution” on the entire nation, as soon as they get the political power to do so. (And they will. You’ve been warned.)

    Something else to keep in mind is that in recent decades, New York City has had far more young black women than young black men…

    I suspect a large percentage of this gap can be explained by the number of young black men from New York City who have found temporary lodging Upstate… courtesy of the New York State Department of Correctional Services.

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    liberals want to pass more gun control laws but not enforce them

    Conservatives want to enforce existing laws.
    , @Saint Louis
    My thoughts, too. The skewed female-male ratio from ages 20-39 must be heavily affected by the number of young black males in prison.
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  27. biz says:
    @Almost Missouri
    What's up with the Asian crime rate in NYC: way above white? If white New Yorkers weren't preoccupied with blacks and Hispanics, they would be crossing the street to avoid Asians!

    Are Chinatown Tong gangs running amok? Or is it just that the white New Yorkers are so SWPL that they depress the white crime rate even below the Asian one?

    A lot of it likely comes down to the demographics of the two groups in NYC.

    1. Whatever percentage of the NY population Asians are overall, they must be a significantly larger fraction of the under 25 population, or at least a significantly larger fraction of the under 25 population that is not Orthodox or Haredi Jews. The latter form a large part of the under 25 white population of NYC because of their large families, and say what you will about them but they stay away from violent crime.

    2. Included under Asians are not just Northeast Asians and South Asian Hindus but also Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims, and probably Afghanis and others.

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  28. Dr. X says:
    @biz
    That factor of 3 difference between the shooting ratio and the murder ratio has to do with holding the gun sideways.

    That factor of 3 difference between the shooting ratio and the murder ratio has to do with holding the gun sideways.

    …plus the tendency of black criminals to use cheap, low-quality guns like .25 Autos instead of .357s. The high quality of trauma care in urban emergency rooms is probably another factor…

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  29. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The shootings and homicides are only one part of this lopsided situation. Blacks are the chief culprits in dragging down the quality and perceived safety of all public spaces. Belligerent crazies, overtly hostile types, aggressive panhandlers, dirtball loiterers, unwanted approaches are mostly done by blacks whether it’s on public transportation or the streets. They’re why many people don’t like to be out after dark or otherwise curtail their coming and going. It’s the whole spectrum of behavior and performance.

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  30. @Yan Shen

    But all this is a reminder that New York City crime isn’t really like it looks on “Law & Order."
     
    In all fairness, I've watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white. Since plots tended to be ripped from the headlines, maybe there was more of a focus on uh sensationalized white collar crimes?

    Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013).[46][48]

     

    I watched about twenty episodes of “Law & Order” in the 90′s and I concluded they should have called it “Varieties of White Criminality” or “How White People Sneak Into The City From The Suburbs And Commit Crimes Which Are Then Blamed On Blacks.” They even did an episode on how evil Korean shopkeepers trap blacks in cages and shoot them, and one on how the Catholic Church wields decisive political power behind the scenes!

    If this TV show is not an example of political correctness – in that is misrepresents reality and therefore puts people’s lives in danger – political correctness does not exist. This “Dick Wolf” guy is a criminal himself. He has contributed to political deception on a massive scale. His series was watched by tens of millions of naive, credulous citizens who wanted to believe the American experiment was working.

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    As far as I can remember, Law and Order did an okay job portraying the grittier side of NYC black and Hispanic gangs and criminals. What probably gave some people the impression of the show being PC or the likes is that it tended to focus on white collar criminals, oftentimes with storylines that were motivated by events in the real world.

    So you'd end up with episodes where some uh white lady doctor perpetuating fraud at her clinic hired a hit man to kill someone else who started digging into her business. But throughout the course of such an episode, you'd encounter various shady figures, many of whom tended to be black or Hispanic. So for the most part I didn't get a sense that the show was trying to portray NYC in a particularly unrealistic manner.
    , @Anon
    "They even did an episode on how evil Korean shopkeepers trap blacks in cages and shoot them, and one on how the Catholic Church wields decisive political power"

    They've also done a couple of episodes where the ADA blames guntoting Southern States for NYC gun violence - something about guns being easier to acquire there, but no introspection regarding the people in NYC actually doing the shooting. It's all West Virginia's fault, apparently.

    If I remember, they once did a hilariously racist - if that's even possible - episode where a stereotypical white Southern guy with the typical accent murders a black girl; the concluding scene has a black female detective rush in to confront the Southern racist, but not just him. She relays loudly to the audience that this is indicative of the entire "new South." In other words, they were saying white Southerners were irredeemable deplorables back before Hillary coined the term.

    For Law&Order, everyone's to blame but themselves. The left lacks introspection.

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  31. Tiny Duck says:

    Sucks for you guys that no one takes McDonald seriously and People of Color all disagree with you

    whites will soon be a minority and justice will be done

    How has the European gotten away with casting non Europeans as violent beasts? The consistency of the violence over centuries we have done to the non European can almost be classed as inherent. To the white man, mass murder and loot was a way of life.

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    "Sucks for you guys that no one takes McDonald seriously and People of Color all disagree with you"

    Now you'n kno dat dat not bein tru......we'ins hads a "off teh hook" time last'n time we be at McDonalds. You sho seemed to like dat hapy meel!


    - Lenders "be a big fan O dat clown" Pitz
     
    , @rented mule
    Yes justice will be done. many are prepared and looking forward to it very much
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  32. Look for Heather MacDonald to be dropped by National Review, even as her fellow writers organize a blanket party with her as honoree.

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  33. One suspects that a healthy dose of the black perpetrated murders as well as Lowery’s reaction to MacDonald’s piece arise from blacks’ heightened sense of entitlement to respect.

    Anything that mentions black dysfunction is a breach of black esteem and therefore naturally racist.

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  34. I think this is saying that Wesley Lowery is 25 percent black:

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/01/thedc-investigates-is-wapos-wesley-lowery-black/

    Also, here:

    If his mother and grandmother are white, I assume the grandmother in question is his father’s mother? Otherwise his mother would be half white, which means she’d be Obama black.

    Remember, black means 20 to 35 percent white, depending on the data you’re looking at:

    https://www.theroot.com/exactly-how-black-is-black-america-1790895185

    So Wesley is actually more like 15 to 20 percent African derived. Which is exactly how he looks in his photographs.

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    True. Wesley Lowery looks like a contemporary Egyptian. Which would be perfectly consistent with 20-25% black.
    , @Jasper Been
    If I was a mixed race individual, I would just try to go with the flow.
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  35. I wonder if black crime rates increase when an area becomes more multi-cultural. In Australia, East Asians are disproportionately involved in the illegal importation of illegal stimulants, and NAMs that use illegal stimulants (such as New Zealand Maoris) are heavily over-represented in violent crime. In the US I would guess that Latin Americans would be the primary importers of illegal drugs, so maybe black crime in a particular city goes up when Latin American immigrants flood an area with cheap drugs.

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  36. syonredux says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    In 2014, 374 people were arrested for murder. Their races were as follows:

    White: 2.9 percent

    Black: 61.8 percent

    Hispanic: 31.8 percent
     

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    I know for a fact that an awful lot of Dominicans are deported back to their homeland after serving sentences in New York. Dominican street gangs like Dominicans Don't Play are predominant in the Washington Heights area of New York.

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/01/23/government-now-treats-deported-dominicans-more-humanely/

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/03/18/100-dominican-ex-convicts-deported-from-the-u-s-arrive-today/

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    Yeah. I suspect that the NY rates are a tad inflated due to the presence of large numbers of Black Latinx

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  37. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Farrakhan explained back in tha day after Malcolm X was shot that black on black violence simply was none of the white man’s business.

    If white journalists would follow this rule then the stats would smooth out nicely and there would be no issue.

    See how Minister Farrakhan can guide us thru these troubled times?

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    Actually stopping to talk about black on black violence would make it harder for antiracism to frame the debate, as it might shed light on the imbalances concerning interracial as opposed to intraracial crime. As it is right now it is quite convenient for antiracists to frame every discussion on black violence in terms of higher black victimization.
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  38. syonredux says:
    @Yan Shen

    But all this is a reminder that New York City crime isn’t really like it looks on “Law & Order."
     
    In all fairness, I've watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white. Since plots tended to be ripped from the headlines, maybe there was more of a focus on uh sensationalized white collar crimes?

    Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013).[46][48]

     

    In all fairness, I’ve watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white

    Dunno. Murder is a violent crime, and a very large percentage of the murderers on the show are Whites with White Collar jobs….

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    Partially because who would watch a show that week after week has one drug dealer murdering another drug dealer.
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  40. jon says:

    This construction is racist, and dubious. Data can show “a shooting in NY is XX times more likely to have been committed by a black person than a white person” but not “a black person is XX times more likely to commit a shooting…”

    What is he even talking about here?

    If (i) “a shooting in NY is XX times more likely to have been committed by a black person than a white person” and (ii) black people actually make up a smaller percentage of the population than white people in NY, then doesn’t the data show that (iii) “a black person is XX times more likely to commit a shooting…”

    What am I missing?

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    What am I missing?

    I don't know exactly, but whatever it is, it was enough to get Wesley Lowery a Pulitzer last year.

    And they wonder why people hate the press.
    , @bgates
    Phrasing like "a black person is x times more likely" is an attempt to cater to the innumerate by pretending statistical matters can be understood without talking about statistics. The attempt backfires because once you start talking about "a black person", many people tend to think about a particular black person - someone they know, or have seen on tv. And any specific person has attributes that are more important to virtually any classification than race is. There are about 15 times as many black men in the NBA as there would be if all races were represented in numbers proportionate to their share of the American population, but it's not correct to say Al Roker is 15 times as likely to be in the NBA as I am.
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  41. jon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    In 2014, 374 people were arrested for murder. Their races were as follows:

    White: 2.9 percent

    Black: 61.8 percent

    Hispanic: 31.8 percent
     

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    I know for a fact that an awful lot of Dominicans are deported back to their homeland after serving sentences in New York. Dominican street gangs like Dominicans Don't Play are predominant in the Washington Heights area of New York.

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/01/23/government-now-treats-deported-dominicans-more-humanely/

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/03/18/100-dominican-ex-convicts-deported-from-the-u-s-arrive-today/

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    That’s a good point. Normally, we think of Hispanics as being racially classified as White, but the Dominicans and Puerto Ricans are probably often classified racially as Black.

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  42. AndrewR says:
    @syonredux

    This is the racist core of the article - black people are dangerous, their presence brings violence and their absence brings safety. This is her thesis
     
    Dear Mr Lowery,

    If that is her thesis, why don't you refute it? You know, with stuff like statistics?As opposed to simply crying the modern version of "anathema maranatha!"

    Blackness correlates not only with rates of gun violence but also with low IQ, which would explain Lowery’s embarrassing #WowJustWow tweet

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  43. jon says:
    @Yan Shen
    Probably some combination of 1) the aggregate Asian category lumping together various ethnicities such as Southeast Asians, South Asians, and East Asians into a single group 2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians

    2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians

    Agreed. The typical White in NY is an old money Jew or WASP, or a gentrifying trust-funder. But a sizable chunk of the Asian population includes poorer immigrants.

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  44. Ivy says:

    Wesley may serve as a marker delineating or perhaps finally nodding toward the transition from anger toward bargaining. At least that whole denial phase may be receding somewhat. Now the tasks include agreeing on the shape of the bargaining table, like at the Paris Peace Talks, or maybe some other opportunity for table-pounding or theatrics.

    The longer view after depression will require some way to memorialize acceptance. Was Tennessee Coates just angling for a finder’s fee on an annuity as his resolution or capitulation? Nah, he’d just want to milk it and keep going back to that denial step.

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    Tennessee Coates, that is priceless. His name does sound like Tennessee, only so much more pretentious.
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  45. nebulafox says:

    I’d be really curious to see some statistics that break down the difference in these kinds of things between African immigrants (and then divided up by subgroup) and African-Americans. It is probably a lot bigger than people would estimate. African immigrants in the US have 2x the college attainment of whites (4x that of native blacks), and most of the honors black students you’ll see in elite colleges or hard-core engineering schools are the children of African immigrants. In Britain, this dynamic seems to be even more pronounced: Igbo Nigerian immigrants do just as well, if not better, than the always reliably notoriously high-octane Chinese diaspora does. On the other hand, Somalis generally cause trouble, whether they end up in Israel, Italy, or Minnesota.

    How ironic. Affirmative actions benefit the descendants of those who sold slaves to the Europeans, not the mostly descendants of the mostly Bantu slaves themselves. (Then again, groups like the Igbo or Tutsi tended to be targeted for genocide back in Africa.)

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    African immigrants in the US have 2x the college attainment of whites

     

    LOL. Ta-Nehisi Coates went to college.

    More blacks at college: The Cross Examination Debate Association
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  46. nebulafox says:
    @Yan Shen
    Probably some combination of 1) the aggregate Asian category lumping together various ethnicities such as Southeast Asians, South Asians, and East Asians into a single group 2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians

    Asian-Americans are hardly homogeneous. I can’t speak for New York, but in Seattle, Khmer immigrants tend to be heavily working class, contribute to the crime rate, and are dealing with all sorts of issues (PTSD sadly runs rampant among older Khmers). They have nowhere near the same attainment rates as their Vietnamese counterparts, who largely emigrated around the same time.

    This probably wasn’t helped by the fact that Cambodia’s Chinese minority was largely killed, whereas Vietnam’s Chinese minority fled or was expelled after 1975 and intermingled with the Kinh refugees. Lot of Hoa among Vietnamese-Americans, bringing with them the stereotypical Overseas Chinese skills.

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  47. Heather Mac is a national treasure. So you knew they were coming for her.

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  48. @Steve Sailer
    I bet it does account for some of the gap.

    Hard to measure but I think the hard working Emergency Medicine professionals (starting with the EMTs) keep the numbers down. Many large urban area hospitals have very good departments of EM. There also seems to be an influx of experienced surgeons, EMTs and nurses who have seen and treated complex gunshot wound cases due to their service in U.S. military medical units in the Iraq/Afghanistan theater. So if you get shot in Chicago chances are that you will receive prompt, effective trauma treatment.

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  49. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Can we ever have a national discussion regarding the presence or absence of blacks in America’s newspaper offices?

    Do they add anything of value at all?

    Other than the single exception of Thomas Sowell, who was sort of average as a pundit, can anyone name a black pundit that has anything the slightest bit interesting or intelligent to say?

    When was the last time one did?

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    Walter Williams ... Jason Riley ... John McWhorter ....

    And isn't there some lady blogger who calls herself "baldilocks" or something; I think she's black.
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  50. Alden says:
    @Yan Shen

    But all this is a reminder that New York City crime isn’t really like it looks on “Law & Order."
     
    In all fairness, I've watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white. Since plots tended to be ripped from the headlines, maybe there was more of a focus on uh sensationalized white collar crimes?

    Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013).[46][48]

     

    Chinese crime in America isn’t street crime. It’s organized crime, prostitution, illegal gambling and extortion mostly.

    Except for the massage parlors and brothels, the crime is confined to other Chinese so it’s often not reported. The extortion is horrible. It’s not just confined to threatening businesses.

    The extortionists collect extortion money from very ordinary people.

    Legal gambling casinos were a real blow to the people who ran the illegal gambling.

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    You forgot the crime of tax evasion on cash sales/transactions. Chinese businesses do that BIG TIME.
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  51. Alden says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    While I agree with you that NYC's West Indian population may be more bourgeois than other blacks, there nevertheless is a lot of gunplay and murder associated with the city's annual West Indian Day Parade and concomitant J'Ouvert overnight pre-party! For example, a top aide of Governor Andrew Cuomo was recently gunned down in the crossfire!

    Haven’t violent Dominican street criminals pretty much taken over sections of Morning Side Heights and other parts of Manhattan?

    I believe the bourgeois law abiding West Indians were 1950s immigrants. I remember numerous sociology articles extolling the fact that West Indians had a much lower crime rate than American blacks.

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    "Haven’t violent Dominican street criminals pretty much taken over sections of Morning Side Heights and other parts of Manhattan?"

    While some Dominicans are involved in the drug trade, for the most part they are law-abiding.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Alden:

    I always associate "West Indians" with the "B" prefix: British West Indians. And amongst the BWIs there are disparities. One may arise from the fact that the slave traders/transporters would deposit there most recalcitrant commodities at their last stop, Jamaica, and thereby accounting from a HBD perspective for Jamaica's well known levels of violence!

    I never associate Dominicans as West Indians.

    Comments #s 20, 35, 40 and 70 further explicate the racial gradations of our Caribbean neighbors/invaders.
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  52. Anon7 says:

    No, you’re not racist for noticing.

    You ARE RACIST for failing to excuse it; black people are victims of [whatever stuff you can make up] that white people are responsible for.

    If you experienced whatever it is that black people experience thanks to white people, you’d get violent yourself.

    So hang your head in shame, iSteve, and get your wallet out, like the rest of us. Don’t you know that white people are 100 times more likely to be the victim of a race-related shake-down?

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  53. Thomm says:

    Question :

    What is the long-term future of black people? Both in the US, as well as in Haiti and SS-Africa?

    Are they permanently hopeless short of some CRISPR-derived genetic modification that non-blacks pay for out of necessity? At the moment, it appears that every other group in the world is progressing, other than blacks.

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    "What is the long-term future of black people?"
     
    To dominate the world.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-worlds-most-important-graph/
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  54. Alden says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban
    (fka Broski)

    Black crime rates (so high as to shock upon first learning of them) are one of the two Great Unmentionables, along with black IQ (shockingly low) and, resultingly, performance on nearly all tasks of significance to modern human functioning. These Great Unmentionables make the blank slate/environmentalist theory of racial achievement gaps laughable, and an obvious result of certain parties advocating in bad faith.

    That’s why mentioning either one results in howls of indignation from the Court’s useful idiots.

    40 percent of blacks have IQs below 80.

    That is astonishingly low.

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  55. @Noah172
    Moreover, NYC whites are exceptional among American whites in general in being less prone to gun violence.

    Because they are a more Jewish group than whites elsewhere (and less Scots-Irish* and Irish). Also, many NYC whites are rich elites.

    * actual Scots-Irish, not iSteve comment thread (((Scots-Irish)))

    Italians and Irish don’t shoot each other much either.

    The better Mafia movies have only a few murders.

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  56. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Marle II
    I think this is saying that Wesley Lowery is 25 percent black:

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/01/thedc-investigates-is-wapos-wesley-lowery-black/

    Also, here:

    https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/538887823017771008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcrooksandliars.com%2F2014%2F12%2Fwesley-lowery-really-black-daily-caller

    If his mother and grandmother are white, I assume the grandmother in question is his father's mother? Otherwise his mother would be half white, which means she'd be Obama black.

    Remember, black means 20 to 35 percent white, depending on the data you're looking at:

    https://www.theroot.com/exactly-how-black-is-black-america-1790895185

    So Wesley is actually more like 15 to 20 percent African derived. Which is exactly how he looks in his photographs.

    True. Wesley Lowery looks like a contemporary Egyptian. Which would be perfectly consistent with 20-25% black.

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  57. JerryC says:
    @Stephen Marle II
    I found this, an over-the-top explanation of why gang members might prefer the side grip, beyond its use in movies and on television:

    https://www.quora.com/Gangster-1/Why-do-gangsters-hold-their-guns-sideways/answer/Jon-Davis-10

    "If you ask them they would probably not have ever heard of Flash Sight Picture, but this is the technique they are using.... So you see there is a rational method to the way that gangsters aim their weapon."

    No, it’s because they’re idiots and don’t know anything about guns. They also do stupid crap like use the wrong caliber ammo, which causes their guns to jam.

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  58. Peterike says:

    “a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely than a white, and an Asian was twice as likely.”

    I think many people, being innumerate, don’t really grasp such numbers. They are just sounds. If you are like this, think of it this way.

    What if you were told tomorrow that you were getting a 31x raise in pay? Well your $50k salary is now over $1.5 million. Nice, huh?

    And your $300,000 house is pushing $10 million.

    And what if you were given 31 times more vacation? Your 15 days a year are now 465 days off…. a year.

    So yeah. 31x more is a whole lot more.

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    Amongst epidemiologists, when it is discovered that there has been a 5-10% increase in a certain cancer or other disease among a certain demographic they get the word out real fast that something serious is going on and lots of resources must be devoted to finding the cause of this surge.

    Now Hispanics have a 300% greater chance of murdering somebody and Blacks have a %900 greater chance of murdering somebody than white people do, and the response from sociologists, media, politicians, legal analysts is , "nothing to see here folks, just keep moving."

    Let's just let those numbers sink in %300, %900.

    The impact is greater when it is phrased as such than saying 3x or 9x.
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  59. Alden says:
    @Dr. X

    Is It Racist to Notice That on Average Blacks Shoot People More?
     
    According to the insanely left-wing powers-that-be in New York, the answer is, emphatically, "Yes." The solution, as they see it, is to disarm everyone, including Upstate whites. And, dear reader, they wish to implement this "solution" on the entire nation, as soon as they get the political power to do so. (And they will. You've been warned.)

    Something else to keep in mind is that in recent decades, New York City has had far more young black women than young black men...
     
    I suspect a large percentage of this gap can be explained by the number of young black men from New York City who have found temporary lodging Upstate... courtesy of the New York State Department of Correctional Services.

    liberals want to pass more gun control laws but not enforce them

    Conservatives want to enforce existing laws.

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    Selective enforcement of laws is a pillar of liberal power and a reflection of their results-oriented perspective.
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  60. Yan Shen says:
    @Kam Phlodius
    I watched about twenty episodes of "Law & Order" in the 90's and I concluded they should have called it "Varieties of White Criminality" or "How White People Sneak Into The City From The Suburbs And Commit Crimes Which Are Then Blamed On Blacks." They even did an episode on how evil Korean shopkeepers trap blacks in cages and shoot them, and one on how the Catholic Church wields decisive political power behind the scenes!

    If this TV show is not an example of political correctness - in that is misrepresents reality and therefore puts people's lives in danger - political correctness does not exist. This "Dick Wolf" guy is a criminal himself. He has contributed to political deception on a massive scale. His series was watched by tens of millions of naive, credulous citizens who wanted to believe the American experiment was working.

    As far as I can remember, Law and Order did an okay job portraying the grittier side of NYC black and Hispanic gangs and criminals. What probably gave some people the impression of the show being PC or the likes is that it tended to focus on white collar criminals, oftentimes with storylines that were motivated by events in the real world.

    So you’d end up with episodes where some uh white lady doctor perpetuating fraud at her clinic hired a hit man to kill someone else who started digging into her business. But throughout the course of such an episode, you’d encounter various shady figures, many of whom tended to be black or Hispanic. So for the most part I didn’t get a sense that the show was trying to portray NYC in a particularly unrealistic manner.

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    The results also showed that non-white viewers of Law & Order were more likely to believe whites commit more crime than non-whites who did not watch. The conclusions drawn from the study were that Law & Order creates a false impression of white criminality and this impression is remembered and accepted by non-white viewers.
     
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/how-law-order-encourages-false-consciousness-about-whites/

    It appears that Yan Shen may have been part of the non-whites surveyed in this study:

    As far as I can remember, Law and Order did an okay job portraying the grittier side of NYC black and Hispanic gangs and criminals. What probably gave some people the impression of the show being PC or the likes is that it tended to focus on white collar criminals, oftentimes with storylines that were motivated by events in the real world.
     
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  61. jay-w says:
    @anon
    Can we ever have a national discussion regarding the presence or absence of blacks in America's newspaper offices?

    Do they add anything of value at all?

    Other than the single exception of Thomas Sowell, who was sort of average as a pundit, can anyone name a black pundit that has anything the slightest bit interesting or intelligent to say?

    When was the last time one did?

    Walter Williams … Jason Riley … John McWhorter ….

    And isn’t there some lady blogger who calls herself “baldilocks” or something; I think she’s black.

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    Walter Williams … Jason Riley … John McWhorter

    John McWhorter is OK. His best trait seems to be admitting, reluctantly, that his fellow black pundits are often full of crap. He's sort of like that Muslim guy who hid those people in the meat locker when the Charlie Hebdo Muslims went on their shooting rampage. It was a good thing to do, but at best, he was just partially counteracting the damage his fellows were causing.

    Walter Williams was decent also. My favorite thing about him was the conceit he used to do in nearly all of his columns that we, the readers, were constantly questioning him and referring to him as "Williams". Like "What is it this time, Williams?" or "Come on now, Williams! You can't be serious!".

    Jason Riley, I'm not familiar with. I'll look into him, though.

    Either way. That's still only three. I'll grant you, though, that the percentage of white pundits that are any good is pretty low as well.
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  62. @Yan Shen

    But all this is a reminder that New York City crime isn’t really like it looks on “Law & Order."
     
    In all fairness, I've watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white. Since plots tended to be ripped from the headlines, maybe there was more of a focus on uh sensationalized white collar crimes?

    Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013).[46][48]

     

    Yan – This is from is a University of Florida research paper.

    “Law & Order creates a false impression of white criminality and this impression is remembered and accepted by non-white viewers.”

    Manufacturing white criminals: Depictions of criminality and violence on Law & Order

    “This study examines exposure to the police drama television genre and its impact on perceptions of crime and racial criminality. Content analyses of three seasons of Law & Order were examined to evaluate the show’s portrayal of race and crime compared to actual crime statistics for New York City during the same periods. A survey was also conducted to examine perceptions of personal safety and the influence of television’s depiction of race and crime. Results suggest whites are disproportionately portrayed as criminals five to eight times more often on police dramas compared to actual crime statistics for the city of New York, exposure to police dramas increases beliefs of threats to personal safety, and exposure to police dramas leads to elevated perceptions of white criminality among non-whites. Results provide additional support for cultivation theory and “Mean World Syndrome,” and implications for delimitation and racial distrust.”

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  63. anon • Disclaimer says:

    You would think, at some point, that black pundits would figure out that, if black people are so much more likely to be victims of violence, and if most violence is intraracial, then you don’t have to be Neil deGrasse Tyson to figure out that blacks are a lot more likely to commit violence.

    Moreover, that is so obvious that you look really, really dumb if you can’t connect those dots.

    But black pundits apparently don’t know this because the people who hire them are afraid to call them stupid when they’re being stupid.

    Do the white liberals really think this helps them, though? How are they ever going to stop saying stupid stuff if people won’t tell them they are saying stupid stuff?

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  64. Alden says:
    @Yan Shen

    But all this is a reminder that New York City crime isn’t really like it looks on “Law & Order."
     
    In all fairness, I've watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white. Since plots tended to be ripped from the headlines, maybe there was more of a focus on uh sensationalized white collar crimes?

    Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013).[46][48]

     

    Every law and order show I have ever watched has a wealthy, educated White as the murderer.

    A few are middle class, but they are all White. Reminds me of John Grisham’s book “ A Time To Kill.”

    Grisham sat in a courtroom and watched the trial of black men who committed a horrific torture rape of 2 pre teen White girls.

    He wrote a book about it but reversed the races, 2 black men raping and torturing a 10 year old black girl.

    Well, he had to do it to get the book published.

    Law and order reminds me of the Agatha Christie murder mysteries. She wrote more than one hundred. And not one murderer was anything but middle to upper class.

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    See my comment above about the original Law and Order's penchant for sensationalizing white collar crime, oftentimes with storylines motivated by events in the real world.

    To rehash what I said earlier, a "stereotypical" Law and Order episode might feature a white lady doctor running a scam at her clinic and hiring a Hispanic hitman to kill someone else who started uh digging into her business. And then you'd have Jack McCoy trying to get the Hispanic gangbanger to turn against the white lady doctor by offering him some sort of plea deal. IIRC, there were lots of those kinds of storylines.

    The show tended to sensationalize white collar crime, but in my opinion did a fairly good job of portraying the grittier aspects of NYC, in particular black and Hispanic gangs and common criminals.

    , @cthulhu


    Law and order reminds me of the Agatha Christie murder mysteries. She wrote more than one hundred. And not one murderer was anything but middle to upper class.

     

    Christie wrote in the English murder mystery tradition, which was utterly divorced from reality. In his classic essay The Simple Art of Murder, Raymond Chandler demonstrated the complete decrepitude of the English murder mystery formula and how Dashiell Hammett "took murder out of the Venetian vase and...gave murder back to the kind of people that commit it for reasons, not just to provide a corpse; and with the means at hand, not with hand-wrought duelling pistols, curare, and tropical fish." The entire essay is well worth reading and is suffused with Chandler's sardonic wit and to-die-for style.

    For sheer in-your-face amorality, Hammett's Red Harvest, published in 1929, is still the champ - there is not anything approaching a hero or honest man (or woman) anywhere in it, including the protagonist. The Coen brothers blended Red Harvest and Hammett's fourth and perhaps best novel, The Glass Key, to make their marvelous homage to Hammett, Miller's Crossing. (It is telling that the Coens honored Hammett with a heartfelt period piece while their homage to Chandler was the sly and hilarious comedy The Big Lebowski, but I'll be damned if I know just exactly what they're telling us :-) ).

    Which is all a long-winded way of saying that you hit the nail on the head - L&O is nothing more than drek like Murder, She Wrote, tarted up with a veneer of grit to try to make it seem real and featuring the occasional semi-hot female cop or ADA instead of Angela Lansbury. Connection with the real world - nil.
    , @David In TN
    The real-life trial Grisham borrowed for his fantasy was of a black male named Willie Harris who broke into a home and brutalized and raped two white girls-sisters. They were aged 12 and 16.

    Google "Willie Harris, Marcie Scott, Julie Scott." You will find the Mississippi Supreme Court ruling upholding the conviction. Wonder why you don't see the actual scenario made into a book and film?

    It's true Grisham couldn't have gotten the book published if he had kept the race of the perpetrator and victims as they were, but Grisham would have reversed the races anyway.

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  65. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Kam Phlodius
    I watched about twenty episodes of "Law & Order" in the 90's and I concluded they should have called it "Varieties of White Criminality" or "How White People Sneak Into The City From The Suburbs And Commit Crimes Which Are Then Blamed On Blacks." They even did an episode on how evil Korean shopkeepers trap blacks in cages and shoot them, and one on how the Catholic Church wields decisive political power behind the scenes!

    If this TV show is not an example of political correctness - in that is misrepresents reality and therefore puts people's lives in danger - political correctness does not exist. This "Dick Wolf" guy is a criminal himself. He has contributed to political deception on a massive scale. His series was watched by tens of millions of naive, credulous citizens who wanted to believe the American experiment was working.

    “They even did an episode on how evil Korean shopkeepers trap blacks in cages and shoot them, and one on how the Catholic Church wields decisive political power”

    They’ve also done a couple of episodes where the ADA blames guntoting Southern States for NYC gun violence – something about guns being easier to acquire there, but no introspection regarding the people in NYC actually doing the shooting. It’s all West Virginia’s fault, apparently.

    If I remember, they once did a hilariously racist – if that’s even possible – episode where a stereotypical white Southern guy with the typical accent murders a black girl; the concluding scene has a black female detective rush in to confront the Southern racist, but not just him. She relays loudly to the audience that this is indicative of the entire “new South.” In other words, they were saying white Southerners were irredeemable deplorables back before Hillary coined the term.

    For Law&Order, everyone’s to blame but themselves. The left lacks introspection.

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    Except for Singapore and a couple of other similarly draconian but not corrupt places, there is no place in the world where confirmed criminals can not get guns.

    And the US civilian market is by no means the dominant source. When foreign criminals are busted overseas with American handguns they tend to be WWII or Vietnam leavebehinds. Spanish and Italian handguns are more common.

    However, Mexico does wind up with its share of technically illegally imported US handguns. Mexicans, primarily not otherwise serious criminals, love M1911s in .38 Super and revolvers in non-military calibers like .44 mag, .44 Spl, and .38 S&W. Most are not used in crimes (beyond shooting in the air at fiestas and the occasional errant animal): cutting off access to these guns means they'd just go over to Berettas or Spanish guns.
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  66. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jon

    This construction is racist, and dubious. Data can show "a shooting in NY is XX times more likely to have been committed by a black person than a white person" but not "a black person is XX times more likely to commit a shooting..."
     
    What is he even talking about here?

    If (i) "a shooting in NY is XX times more likely to have been committed by a black person than a white person" and (ii) black people actually make up a smaller percentage of the population than white people in NY, then doesn't the data show that (iii) "a black person is XX times more likely to commit a shooting..."

    What am I missing?

    What am I missing?

    I don’t know exactly, but whatever it is, it was enough to get Wesley Lowery a Pulitzer last year.

    And they wonder why people hate the press.

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  67. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Yan Shen
    Probably some combination of 1) the aggregate Asian category lumping together various ethnicities such as Southeast Asians, South Asians, and East Asians into a single group 2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians

    [relatively high Asian crime rates]
    “Probably some combination of 1) the aggregate Asian category lumping together various ethnicities such as Southeast Asians, South Asians, and East Asians into a single group 2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians”

    I wouldn’t say that 1) is too significant. From what I’ve gathered, Asian crime rates nationwide are relatively higher among SE Asians and Pacific Islanders, and neither group is common in NYC. South Asians don’t see too criminally inclined; the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis may present some cultural issues but don’t usually commit crimes (as many are bodega owners in bad areas they probably tend to be crime victims). The one possible exception are the Indo-Guyanese, some of whom can be rather uncouth sorts.
    Chances are, the main reason for the relatively high crime rate is the presence of many poor Chinese immigrants, in other words 3).

    As for 2), I agree completely. NYC has almost no white underclass and not much remaining white working class. While many of the Hasidim are poor, whatever crime such as domestic violence that may occur in their community is usually kept within their community and doesn’t enter into the statistics.

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    Checking numbers for 2016 in NYC whites were 4 times more likely to be identified as a homicide suspect than Asians - which makes sense to me.

    Good point on the Indo - Guyanese - and you can throw in the Indo - Trinidadians as well. Indo - Caribbeans, it seems , have diverged from their cultural hearth in South Asia.
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  68. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jay-w
    Walter Williams ... Jason Riley ... John McWhorter ....

    And isn't there some lady blogger who calls herself "baldilocks" or something; I think she's black.

    Walter Williams … Jason Riley … John McWhorter

    John McWhorter is OK. His best trait seems to be admitting, reluctantly, that his fellow black pundits are often full of crap. He’s sort of like that Muslim guy who hid those people in the meat locker when the Charlie Hebdo Muslims went on their shooting rampage. It was a good thing to do, but at best, he was just partially counteracting the damage his fellows were causing.

    Walter Williams was decent also. My favorite thing about him was the conceit he used to do in nearly all of his columns that we, the readers, were constantly questioning him and referring to him as “Williams”. Like “What is it this time, Williams?” or “Come on now, Williams! You can’t be serious!”.

    Jason Riley, I’m not familiar with. I’ll look into him, though.

    Either way. That’s still only three. I’ll grant you, though, that the percentage of white pundits that are any good is pretty low as well.

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  69. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Alden
    Haven’t violent Dominican street criminals pretty much taken over sections of Morning Side Heights and other parts of Manhattan?

    I believe the bourgeois law abiding West Indians were 1950s immigrants. I remember numerous sociology articles extolling the fact that West Indians had a much lower crime rate than American blacks.

    “Haven’t violent Dominican street criminals pretty much taken over sections of Morning Side Heights and other parts of Manhattan?”

    While some Dominicans are involved in the drug trade, for the most part they are law-abiding.

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    I lived in the Bronx in a section dominated by Dominicans, even the drug boys were polite. They’d hold the door for you if you’re hands were full.

    Dominicans supplanting Puerto Ricans, a group every bit as dysfunctional as AAs, as the largest Hispanic group should not be underestimated either.

    Charles Rangel’s Harlem seat was turned over to a Dominican. Not only does Harlem have more whites, it has more Dominicans.
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  70. Yan Shen says:
    @Alden
    Every law and order show I have ever watched has a wealthy, educated White as the murderer.

    A few are middle class, but they are all White. Reminds me of John Grisham’s book “ A Time To Kill.”

    Grisham sat in a courtroom and watched the trial of black men who committed a horrific torture rape of 2 pre teen White girls.

    He wrote a book about it but reversed the races, 2 black men raping and torturing a 10 year old black girl.

    Well, he had to do it to get the book published.

    Law and order reminds me of the Agatha Christie murder mysteries. She wrote more than one hundred. And not one murderer was anything but middle to upper class.

    See my comment above about the original Law and Order’s penchant for sensationalizing white collar crime, oftentimes with storylines motivated by events in the real world.

    To rehash what I said earlier, a “stereotypical” Law and Order episode might feature a white lady doctor running a scam at her clinic and hiring a Hispanic hitman to kill someone else who started uh digging into her business. And then you’d have Jack McCoy trying to get the Hispanic gangbanger to turn against the white lady doctor by offering him some sort of plea deal. IIRC, there were lots of those kinds of storylines.

    The show tended to sensationalize white collar crime, but in my opinion did a fairly good job of portraying the grittier aspects of NYC, in particular black and Hispanic gangs and common criminals.

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  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    In 2014, 374 people were arrested for murder. Their races were as follows:

    White: 2.9 percent

    Black: 61.8 percent

    Hispanic: 31.8 percent
     

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    I know for a fact that an awful lot of Dominicans are deported back to their homeland after serving sentences in New York. Dominican street gangs like Dominicans Don't Play are predominant in the Washington Heights area of New York.

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/01/23/government-now-treats-deported-dominicans-more-humanely/

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/03/18/100-dominican-ex-convicts-deported-from-the-u-s-arrive-today/

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    I know for a fact that an awful lot of Dominicans are deported back to their homeland after serving sentences in New York. Dominican street gangs like Dominicans Don’t Play are predominant in the Washington Heights area of New York.

    My father was in the DR as a tech rep and worked with the Dominican air force, whose members tended to be a little higher grade of person than the average Dominican.

    Dominicans are mulattos, with whiter ones generally having higher intelligence , self-control and future time orientation. But you find a few pretty white ones being low grade and some pretty black ones being high grade. It happens.

    The Spaniards had the race description thing figured out, with a plethora of terms.Those terms worked well. And still do.

    The late Porfirio Rubirosa was a light skinned mulatto (probably what we in an earlier day would have called quadroon or octoroon). He was intelligent, at least of slightly higher than avarage white intelligence. He is most famous today because of his success at being a gigolo and for (one) reason why, his enormous, perpetually semi-hard member.

    Mariah Carey is a parda: she has white, black and indio blood. She’s also mad as a hatter. I’ve seen her in person: she has an odd skin tone that reminds me of the instructional medical dummies they use in vo-tech hospital orderly or CNA programs. She looks far better in pictures than in person.

    Puerto Ricans are also apparently mulattoes, perhaps with a little indio admixture: but as a general rule, Dominicans are a higher grade of people on average.

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    I would also add that at least in those days, the Dominicanas would throw themselves at any halfway normal white foreign male with a decent job or at least seeming prospects. They figured he was their ticket off the island.

    I don't know if that's true today.

    Now it seems like the sex tourist angle is older women and gays going over there to be serviced by Dominican men. I know that Dominicans have usually observed the Latin model of what constitutes gay, that is, it's only gay to catch, not pitch.
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  72. @Dr. X

    Is It Racist to Notice That on Average Blacks Shoot People More?
     
    According to the insanely left-wing powers-that-be in New York, the answer is, emphatically, "Yes." The solution, as they see it, is to disarm everyone, including Upstate whites. And, dear reader, they wish to implement this "solution" on the entire nation, as soon as they get the political power to do so. (And they will. You've been warned.)

    Something else to keep in mind is that in recent decades, New York City has had far more young black women than young black men...
     
    I suspect a large percentage of this gap can be explained by the number of young black men from New York City who have found temporary lodging Upstate... courtesy of the New York State Department of Correctional Services.

    My thoughts, too. The skewed female-male ratio from ages 20-39 must be heavily affected by the number of young black males in prison.

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  73. In my estimation, a lot of (most?) blacks get off on being seen as potentially dangerous and relish the resulting intimidation. This fellow is either a sensitive snowflake (I doubt it) or being uppity with a professional job (?) he is now demanding respect as being looked at as a potentially dangerous thug does not do it for him

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  74. biz says:
    @syonredux

    In all fairness, I’ve watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white
     
    Dunno. Murder is a violent crime, and a very large percentage of the murderers on the show are Whites with White Collar jobs....

    Partially because who would watch a show that week after week has one drug dealer murdering another drug dealer.

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  75. Daniel H says:
    @Yan Shen

    But all this is a reminder that New York City crime isn’t really like it looks on “Law & Order."
     
    In all fairness, I've watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white. Since plots tended to be ripped from the headlines, maybe there was more of a focus on uh sensationalized white collar crimes?

    Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013).[46][48]

     

    >>Also, I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category

    I think that you may have a point here. 30-35 years ago I was a yellow cab driver in New York and the police would pass around every week the “most wanted” posters to all the garages. (What did they think that we lowly cab drivers would do with that information?). Anyway, I was struck by how many Guyanese immigrants were on the lists, for crimes such as murder, assault, robbery, rape. I knew they were Guyanese because “their last known whereabouts” were always listed as the Guyanese ghettos of Richmond Hill and Ozone Park. For whatever reason, Guyanese (of Indian descent) were significantly more violent than Indians, Pakis, and of course Chinese.

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  76. rexl says:
    @Ivy
    Wesley may serve as a marker delineating or perhaps finally nodding toward the transition from anger toward bargaining. At least that whole denial phase may be receding somewhat. Now the tasks include agreeing on the shape of the bargaining table, like at the Paris Peace Talks, or maybe some other opportunity for table-pounding or theatrics.

    The longer view after depression will require some way to memorialize acceptance. Was Tennessee Coates just angling for a finder's fee on an annuity as his resolution or capitulation? Nah, he'd just want to milk it and keep going back to that denial step.

    Tennessee Coates, that is priceless. His name does sound like Tennessee, only so much more pretentious.

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  77. Daniel H says:
    @Peterike
    “a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely than a white, and an Asian was twice as likely.”

    I think many people, being innumerate, don’t really grasp such numbers. They are just sounds. If you are like this, think of it this way.

    What if you were told tomorrow that you were getting a 31x raise in pay? Well your $50k salary is now over $1.5 million. Nice, huh?

    And your $300,000 house is pushing $10 million.

    And what if you were given 31 times more vacation? Your 15 days a year are now 465 days off.... a year.

    So yeah. 31x more is a whole lot more.

    Amongst epidemiologists, when it is discovered that there has been a 5-10% increase in a certain cancer or other disease among a certain demographic they get the word out real fast that something serious is going on and lots of resources must be devoted to finding the cause of this surge.

    Now Hispanics have a 300% greater chance of murdering somebody and Blacks have a %900 greater chance of murdering somebody than white people do, and the response from sociologists, media, politicians, legal analysts is , “nothing to see here folks, just keep moving.”

    Let’s just let those numbers sink in %300, %900.

    The impact is greater when it is phrased as such than saying 3x or 9x.

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    Now Hispanics have a 300% greater chance of murdering somebody
     
    Ron Unz would have you believe it is just 120% that of whites (1.2x).
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  78. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    "They even did an episode on how evil Korean shopkeepers trap blacks in cages and shoot them, and one on how the Catholic Church wields decisive political power"

    They've also done a couple of episodes where the ADA blames guntoting Southern States for NYC gun violence - something about guns being easier to acquire there, but no introspection regarding the people in NYC actually doing the shooting. It's all West Virginia's fault, apparently.

    If I remember, they once did a hilariously racist - if that's even possible - episode where a stereotypical white Southern guy with the typical accent murders a black girl; the concluding scene has a black female detective rush in to confront the Southern racist, but not just him. She relays loudly to the audience that this is indicative of the entire "new South." In other words, they were saying white Southerners were irredeemable deplorables back before Hillary coined the term.

    For Law&Order, everyone's to blame but themselves. The left lacks introspection.

    Except for Singapore and a couple of other similarly draconian but not corrupt places, there is no place in the world where confirmed criminals can not get guns.

    And the US civilian market is by no means the dominant source. When foreign criminals are busted overseas with American handguns they tend to be WWII or Vietnam leavebehinds. Spanish and Italian handguns are more common.

    However, Mexico does wind up with its share of technically illegally imported US handguns. Mexicans, primarily not otherwise serious criminals, love M1911s in .38 Super and revolvers in non-military calibers like .44 mag, .44 Spl, and .38 S&W. Most are not used in crimes (beyond shooting in the air at fiestas and the occasional errant animal): cutting off access to these guns means they’d just go over to Berettas or Spanish guns.

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  79. J1234 says:

    Is it racist to notice that, on average, blacks shoot people more?

    Well, if it’s racist for whites to go to farmers’ markets, what do you think? The left is making great strides in figuring out what is racist. We’re about seven months away from it being racist for white people to exist.

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    J1234, 7 months seems optimistic to me. Maybe we're already there.

    I don't know left from right, but if you want to stop an idiot name caller dead in his tracks, ask him to define "racist". I usually just get a vacuous, disdainful stare. If you can't define your terms, debate is impossible. I think we've reached that mindless point, too. Debate now is something you take fishin'.
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  80. Dan Hayes says:
    @Alden
    Haven’t violent Dominican street criminals pretty much taken over sections of Morning Side Heights and other parts of Manhattan?

    I believe the bourgeois law abiding West Indians were 1950s immigrants. I remember numerous sociology articles extolling the fact that West Indians had a much lower crime rate than American blacks.

    Alden:

    I always associate “West Indians” with the “B” prefix: British West Indians. And amongst the BWIs there are disparities. One may arise from the fact that the slave traders/transporters would deposit there most recalcitrant commodities at their last stop, Jamaica, and thereby accounting from a HBD perspective for Jamaica’s well known levels of violence!

    I never associate Dominicans as West Indians.

    Comments #s 20, 35, 40 and 70 further explicate the racial gradations of our Caribbean neighbors/invaders.

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  81. Da Wei says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Look, Steve, you're just not getting it, so let me explain it t you very simply so your tiny, racist mind can understand:

    1. All racial groups (not that there really are races but you racist whites keep categorizing humans into racial groups for no reason) are perfectly equal under the skin.

    1. a. Btw, different skin tones and skeletal structures don't prove anything. The brain is special. I mean, why would nature ever change the brain along with the rest of the body. It's not like the brain is important to survival.

    2. All cultures are equal. No culture leads to better or worse outcomes. They are all equally beautiful.

    3. Due to (1) and (2), any differences in outcomes between what you call "races" would be caused by an outside force.

    4. Given the fact that whites (really, white males, not that there really is a racial category called white) have dominated this country and its institutions for four centuries, that outside force is quite obviously white racism.

    5. White racism is responsible for all differences among what you call "races," except in sports and entertainment where blacks (not there is such a thing as the black race, though I'm quite proud to be black, not that it really exists) simply work harder than whites (if whites were really a racial group, which they're not, except white racists like you).

    6. If you (or Ms. MacDonald) bring up differences among various so-called racial groups (not that there are such things but you won't let it go) without acknowledging that these differences are caused by white racism, you are racist, and, thus, perpetuating the problem.

    Therefore, Ms. MacDonald is a racist. Despite what you say, PC is not a war on noticing. In fact, it is a War on Not Noticing White Racism.

    P.S. Don't even think about bringing up NE Asians and their performance compared to whites in a variety of metrics because it's racist, you racist. Did I mention that you're a racist.

    Man, Citizen, you either have your tongue in your cheek or your head up your ass.

    I think it’s the former, but that’s just my own modest proposal.

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  82. cthulhu says:
    @Alden
    Every law and order show I have ever watched has a wealthy, educated White as the murderer.

    A few are middle class, but they are all White. Reminds me of John Grisham’s book “ A Time To Kill.”

    Grisham sat in a courtroom and watched the trial of black men who committed a horrific torture rape of 2 pre teen White girls.

    He wrote a book about it but reversed the races, 2 black men raping and torturing a 10 year old black girl.

    Well, he had to do it to get the book published.

    Law and order reminds me of the Agatha Christie murder mysteries. She wrote more than one hundred. And not one murderer was anything but middle to upper class.

    Law and order reminds me of the Agatha Christie murder mysteries. She wrote more than one hundred. And not one murderer was anything but middle to upper class.

    Christie wrote in the English murder mystery tradition, which was utterly divorced from reality. In his classic essay The Simple Art of Murder, Raymond Chandler demonstrated the complete decrepitude of the English murder mystery formula and how Dashiell Hammett “took murder out of the Venetian vase and…gave murder back to the kind of people that commit it for reasons, not just to provide a corpse; and with the means at hand, not with hand-wrought duelling pistols, curare, and tropical fish.” The entire essay is well worth reading and is suffused with Chandler’s sardonic wit and to-die-for style.

    For sheer in-your-face amorality, Hammett’s Red Harvest, published in 1929, is still the champ – there is not anything approaching a hero or honest man (or woman) anywhere in it, including the protagonist. The Coen brothers blended Red Harvest and Hammett’s fourth and perhaps best novel, The Glass Key, to make their marvelous homage to Hammett, Miller’s Crossing. (It is telling that the Coens honored Hammett with a heartfelt period piece while their homage to Chandler was the sly and hilarious comedy The Big Lebowski, but I’ll be damned if I know just exactly what they’re telling us :-) ).

    Which is all a long-winded way of saying that you hit the nail on the head – L&O is nothing more than drek like Murder, She Wrote, tarted up with a veneer of grit to try to make it seem real and featuring the occasional semi-hot female cop or ADA instead of Angela Lansbury. Connection with the real world – nil.

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  83. boomstick says:

    The Black murder rate is even worse than that reported by the stats. For example in Chicago the percentage of murders solved is only about 30%. If they can’t be solved then the race of the killer can’t be assigned, despite the fact that Black murder victims are almost always the victims of other Blacks.

    The unsolved murders in Chicago are just about universally committed by other Blacks in South Chicago. Other BLM cities are the same way.

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  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    I know for a fact that an awful lot of Dominicans are deported back to their homeland after serving sentences in New York. Dominican street gangs like Dominicans Don’t Play are predominant in the Washington Heights area of New York.
     
    My father was in the DR as a tech rep and worked with the Dominican air force, whose members tended to be a little higher grade of person than the average Dominican.

    Dominicans are mulattos, with whiter ones generally having higher intelligence , self-control and future time orientation. But you find a few pretty white ones being low grade and some pretty black ones being high grade. It happens.

    The Spaniards had the race description thing figured out, with a plethora of terms.Those terms worked well. And still do.

    The late Porfirio Rubirosa was a light skinned mulatto (probably what we in an earlier day would have called quadroon or octoroon). He was intelligent, at least of slightly higher than avarage white intelligence. He is most famous today because of his success at being a gigolo and for (one) reason why, his enormous, perpetually semi-hard member.

    Mariah Carey is a parda: she has white, black and indio blood. She's also mad as a hatter. I've seen her in person: she has an odd skin tone that reminds me of the instructional medical dummies they use in vo-tech hospital orderly or CNA programs. She looks far better in pictures than in person.

    Puerto Ricans are also apparently mulattoes, perhaps with a little indio admixture: but as a general rule, Dominicans are a higher grade of people on average.

    I would also add that at least in those days, the Dominicanas would throw themselves at any halfway normal white foreign male with a decent job or at least seeming prospects. They figured he was their ticket off the island.

    I don’t know if that’s true today.

    Now it seems like the sex tourist angle is older women and gays going over there to be serviced by Dominican men. I know that Dominicans have usually observed the Latin model of what constitutes gay, that is, it’s only gay to catch, not pitch.

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  85. We all know the truth and structure our lives in accordance.

    Even in redneck Kingston, NY, I avoided the gym over the past week because kids are out of school, which means young black men were out in force looking for a fight. They especially like to attack elderly whites.

    Gym members never hear about the black kids violent attacks from the gym administration, but we pass the word among ourselves.

    We all know what neighborhoods to avoid in the major cities and we route our travel accordingly.

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    I take it your gym has problems or that neighborhood does.


    Per City Data, the population of Kingston, NY is 14.7% black (the state mean in 17%). The homicide rate has averaged about 2.4 per 100,000 during the last 15 years or so, or half the national mean. Since 2008, the robbery rate has bounced around 116 per 100,000 (after a big spike in 2008-09) v. 109 nationally; rape has been running at 20 per 100,000 v. 27 per 100,000 nationally; burglary at 475 per 100,000 v. 63o per 100,000 nationally; and car theft at 42 per 100,000 v. 220 per 100,000 nationally.
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  86. bgates says:
    @jon

    This construction is racist, and dubious. Data can show "a shooting in NY is XX times more likely to have been committed by a black person than a white person" but not "a black person is XX times more likely to commit a shooting..."
     
    What is he even talking about here?

    If (i) "a shooting in NY is XX times more likely to have been committed by a black person than a white person" and (ii) black people actually make up a smaller percentage of the population than white people in NY, then doesn't the data show that (iii) "a black person is XX times more likely to commit a shooting..."

    What am I missing?

    Phrasing like “a black person is x times more likely” is an attempt to cater to the innumerate by pretending statistical matters can be understood without talking about statistics. The attempt backfires because once you start talking about “a black person”, many people tend to think about a particular black person – someone they know, or have seen on tv. And any specific person has attributes that are more important to virtually any classification than race is. There are about 15 times as many black men in the NBA as there would be if all races were represented in numbers proportionate to their share of the American population, but it’s not correct to say Al Roker is 15 times as likely to be in the NBA as I am.

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    A is the indefinite article, hence not about a particular person, black or otherwise.

    Particular people use the definite.

    You're making excuses for a race hustler.
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  87. Da Wei says:
    @J1234

    Is it racist to notice that, on average, blacks shoot people more?
     
    Well, if it's racist for whites to go to farmers' markets, what do you think? The left is making great strides in figuring out what is racist. We're about seven months away from it being racist for white people to exist.

    J1234, 7 months seems optimistic to me. Maybe we’re already there.

    I don’t know left from right, but if you want to stop an idiot name caller dead in his tracks, ask him to define “racist”. I usually just get a vacuous, disdainful stare. If you can’t define your terms, debate is impossible. I think we’ve reached that mindless point, too. Debate now is something you take fishin’.

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  88. @Alden
    Every law and order show I have ever watched has a wealthy, educated White as the murderer.

    A few are middle class, but they are all White. Reminds me of John Grisham’s book “ A Time To Kill.”

    Grisham sat in a courtroom and watched the trial of black men who committed a horrific torture rape of 2 pre teen White girls.

    He wrote a book about it but reversed the races, 2 black men raping and torturing a 10 year old black girl.

    Well, he had to do it to get the book published.

    Law and order reminds me of the Agatha Christie murder mysteries. She wrote more than one hundred. And not one murderer was anything but middle to upper class.

    The real-life trial Grisham borrowed for his fantasy was of a black male named Willie Harris who broke into a home and brutalized and raped two white girls-sisters. They were aged 12 and 16.

    Google “Willie Harris, Marcie Scott, Julie Scott.” You will find the Mississippi Supreme Court ruling upholding the conviction. Wonder why you don’t see the actual scenario made into a book and film?

    It’s true Grisham couldn’t have gotten the book published if he had kept the race of the perpetrator and victims as they were, but Grisham would have reversed the races anyway.

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  89. @nebulafox
    I'd be really curious to see some statistics that break down the difference in these kinds of things between African immigrants (and then divided up by subgroup) and African-Americans. It is probably a lot bigger than people would estimate. African immigrants in the US have 2x the college attainment of whites (4x that of native blacks), and most of the honors black students you'll see in elite colleges or hard-core engineering schools are the children of African immigrants. In Britain, this dynamic seems to be even more pronounced: Igbo Nigerian immigrants do just as well, if not better, than the always reliably notoriously high-octane Chinese diaspora does. On the other hand, Somalis generally cause trouble, whether they end up in Israel, Italy, or Minnesota.

    How ironic. Affirmative actions benefit the descendants of those who sold slaves to the Europeans, not the mostly descendants of the mostly Bantu slaves themselves. (Then again, groups like the Igbo or Tutsi tended to be targeted for genocide back in Africa.)

    African immigrants in the US have 2x the college attainment of whites

    LOL. Ta-Nehisi Coates went to college.

    More blacks at college: The Cross Examination Debate Association

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  90. Umberto says:
    @prosa123
    [relatively high Asian crime rates]
    "Probably some combination of 1) the aggregate Asian category lumping together various ethnicities such as Southeast Asians, South Asians, and East Asians into a single group 2) whites in NYC, including a fairly significant concentration of Jews, possibly being better behaved than whites nationwide and 3) NYC containing poorer Asians, including East Asians"

    I wouldn't say that 1) is too significant. From what I've gathered, Asian crime rates nationwide are relatively higher among SE Asians and Pacific Islanders, and neither group is common in NYC. South Asians don't see too criminally inclined; the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis may present some cultural issues but don't usually commit crimes (as many are bodega owners in bad areas they probably tend to be crime victims). The one possible exception are the Indo-Guyanese, some of whom can be rather uncouth sorts.
    Chances are, the main reason for the relatively high crime rate is the presence of many poor Chinese immigrants, in other words 3).

    As for 2), I agree completely. NYC has almost no white underclass and not much remaining white working class. While many of the Hasidim are poor, whatever crime such as domestic violence that may occur in their community is usually kept within their community and doesn't enter into the statistics.

    Checking numbers for 2016 in NYC whites were 4 times more likely to be identified as a homicide suspect than Asians – which makes sense to me.

    Good point on the Indo – Guyanese – and you can throw in the Indo – Trinidadians as well. Indo – Caribbeans, it seems , have diverged from their cultural hearth in South Asia.

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  91. Da Wei says:
    @Yan Shen

    But all this is a reminder that New York City crime isn’t really like it looks on “Law & Order."
     
    In all fairness, I've watched probably 80-85% of the 20 seasons comprising the original Law and Order and I never got the impression that they portrayed violent criminals as being disproportionately white. Since plots tended to be ripped from the headlines, maybe there was more of a focus on uh sensationalized white collar crimes?

    Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013).[46][48]

     

    Yan Shen, I’ll bet you’re right on the mark here when you say,

    “Also, I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that the higher than expected rate of Asian crime is due to NYC lumping together various ethnic groups into an aggregate Asian category. I suspect that East Asian Americans probably have the lowest per capita crime rates across the country and in NYC as well, but perhaps I’m wrong about that.”

    I have another, though tangential, angle on this whole thing that gripes me.

    In yet another aspect, with all the rootin’ tootin’ shootemup crap, or even the stilted reporting of it, we’ve shot ourselves in the foot. Chinese immigrants generally are good, productive citizens, and they’re informed. Middle class Chinese looking to emigrate for retirement see our crime stats — and specifics like the November shooting of 74 year old Ruxin Wang in Nashville by youfs who escaped into the projects — and they look elsewhere to go retire and buy their million dollar homes. They go to Australia or a suburb of Toronto and lead peaceful, productive lives that might otherwise have benefitted the USA. I’m speaking from direct experience with people I know. We’ve lost commerce in other ways, too, from Chinese made wary by hysterical television or other “news” reports of “gun violence”. I’ve found that most Americans are cock-eyed sure of what China is all about — after all, they’ve seen it on television — but in reality are sadly uninformed. Well, I said this was tangential, but it’s still a gripe.

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  92. @Anon
    Wesley thinks this way because of his black genetics. Blacks are naturally more self-centered and self-aggrandizing. It doesn't occur to him that too many blacks kill one another because they have attitudes like himself. "Who? Me? Dindu Nuffin." Every black gang that attacks another black gang has Wesley's attitude. "Dindu Nuffin" and the entire blame is on the other side.

    It's telling that his Twitter page has the pic of Radio Raheem, the dumb thug who goes around showing no one any respect but demands respect from others. He never tries to earn respect and just demands it even though he is the biggest moron and thug in town.

    Wesley is educated and smarter than Raheem, but he too has black genetics that makes him full of hisself. It's like that Charles Blow talking of his 'incandescent rage'. Sheeeeeiiit. He don't just feel angry like most folks. He be 'incandescent' with rage.

    Too many eldritch energies in our nation, and we can thank genius Coates for that observation.

    PS. Is Wesley a mulatto, a product of black man colonizing a white woman's womb? Well, his very existence owes to racial stereotypes. If his mother is white, she rejected white men and went with superior Negro stud to give birth to a proud mulatto kid who be filled with incandescent rage like Blow.

    Wesley thinks

    cite needed

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  93. Thomm says:
    @Daniel H
    Amongst epidemiologists, when it is discovered that there has been a 5-10% increase in a certain cancer or other disease among a certain demographic they get the word out real fast that something serious is going on and lots of resources must be devoted to finding the cause of this surge.

    Now Hispanics have a 300% greater chance of murdering somebody and Blacks have a %900 greater chance of murdering somebody than white people do, and the response from sociologists, media, politicians, legal analysts is , "nothing to see here folks, just keep moving."

    Let's just let those numbers sink in %300, %900.

    The impact is greater when it is phrased as such than saying 3x or 9x.

    Now Hispanics have a 300% greater chance of murdering somebody

    Ron Unz would have you believe it is just 120% that of whites (1.2x).

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    In New York, 'hispanic' generally means Puerto Rican or perhaps Dominican. Not sure about the Dominican population, but the Puerto Rican population has long had worse social metrics than the Chicano population (and worse metrics than the native black population as well). See New Mexico, which is 48% Chicano. The homicide rate there is elevated (6.7 per 100,000, v. 5 per 100,000 nationally), but not hugely so.

    1.2x does sound low.
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  94. @bgates
    Phrasing like "a black person is x times more likely" is an attempt to cater to the innumerate by pretending statistical matters can be understood without talking about statistics. The attempt backfires because once you start talking about "a black person", many people tend to think about a particular black person - someone they know, or have seen on tv. And any specific person has attributes that are more important to virtually any classification than race is. There are about 15 times as many black men in the NBA as there would be if all races were represented in numbers proportionate to their share of the American population, but it's not correct to say Al Roker is 15 times as likely to be in the NBA as I am.

    A is the indefinite article, hence not about a particular person, black or otherwise.

    Particular people use the definite.

    You’re making excuses for a race hustler.

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    You’re making excuses for a race hustler.

    But not, according to the rest of your comment, for any race hustler in particular.

    Among white people in New York, there are an awful lot of individuals who would never kill anybody, and there are some who are flat out dangerous. Among black people in New York, there are also an awful lot of individuals who would never kill anybody, but the fraction of dangerous individuals among black people appears to be 50x the fraction among white people. I doubt there is any one particular black person who's 50x as likely to commit murder as the (also nonexistent) average white person - and even if there was, he wouldn't be very threatening, because the odds of a white person committing murder in New York are so very low.

    The problem isn't that a black person is 50x more likely to commit murder than a white person. The problem is that murderous thugs are 50x more common among black people than among white people ( in NYC).
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  96. @Anonymous
    Farrakhan explained back in tha day after Malcolm X was shot that black on black violence simply was none of the white man's business.

    If white journalists would follow this rule then the stats would smooth out nicely and there would be no issue.

    See how Minister Farrakhan can guide us thru these troubled times?

    ...

    Actually stopping to talk about black on black violence would make it harder for antiracism to frame the debate, as it might shed light on the imbalances concerning interracial as opposed to intraracial crime. As it is right now it is quite convenient for antiracists to frame every discussion on black violence in terms of higher black victimization.

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    Once or twice a year there is a wire service story about "the main victims of murder in this country are young black males." There is (sometimes) an aside saying "many of the suspects are also young black males."
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  97. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The whole thing is just the very essence of George Orwell.

    Orwell was a very very perceptive man. *THIS* is exactly what he warned and fought against.

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  98. jon says:
    @Yan Shen
    As far as I can remember, Law and Order did an okay job portraying the grittier side of NYC black and Hispanic gangs and criminals. What probably gave some people the impression of the show being PC or the likes is that it tended to focus on white collar criminals, oftentimes with storylines that were motivated by events in the real world.

    So you'd end up with episodes where some uh white lady doctor perpetuating fraud at her clinic hired a hit man to kill someone else who started digging into her business. But throughout the course of such an episode, you'd encounter various shady figures, many of whom tended to be black or Hispanic. So for the most part I didn't get a sense that the show was trying to portray NYC in a particularly unrealistic manner.

    The results also showed that non-white viewers of Law & Order were more likely to believe whites commit more crime than non-whites who did not watch. The conclusions drawn from the study were that Law & Order creates a false impression of white criminality and this impression is remembered and accepted by non-white viewers.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/how-law-order-encourages-false-consciousness-about-whites/

    It appears that Yan Shen may have been part of the non-whites surveyed in this study:

    As far as I can remember, Law and Order did an okay job portraying the grittier side of NYC black and Hispanic gangs and criminals. What probably gave some people the impression of the show being PC or the likes is that it tended to focus on white collar criminals, oftentimes with storylines that were motivated by events in the real world.

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    The conclusions drawn from the study were that Law & Order creates a false impression of white criminality and this impression is remembered and accepted by non-white viewers.
     
    Well that could be one interpretation. But as I've been arguing, L&O's main thing was sensationalizing white collar crime, so one could also argue that the show falsely portrayed the criminality of doctors, lawyers, rabbis, business executives, etc. I mean uh after all, how many doctors or rabbis do you know who hire hitmen to take out their enemies?

    The show by and large sensationalized white collar crime in my opinion for reasons of entertainment. Doctors killing other doctors makes for exciting television. Some black or Hispanic gangbanger randomly killing another black or Hispanic doesn't exactly carry an hour long plot. Where the show was accurate though, in my opinion, was in its depiction of the grittiness of NYC, including its portrayals of black and Hispanic gang members and common criminals. So the white lady doctor on trial would've hired some Hispanic gunman, whom the DA was able to turn in exchange for a plea deal, etc.
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  99. Yan Shen says:
    @jon

    The results also showed that non-white viewers of Law & Order were more likely to believe whites commit more crime than non-whites who did not watch. The conclusions drawn from the study were that Law & Order creates a false impression of white criminality and this impression is remembered and accepted by non-white viewers.
     
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/how-law-order-encourages-false-consciousness-about-whites/

    It appears that Yan Shen may have been part of the non-whites surveyed in this study:

    As far as I can remember, Law and Order did an okay job portraying the grittier side of NYC black and Hispanic gangs and criminals. What probably gave some people the impression of the show being PC or the likes is that it tended to focus on white collar criminals, oftentimes with storylines that were motivated by events in the real world.
     

    The conclusions drawn from the study were that Law & Order creates a false impression of white criminality and this impression is remembered and accepted by non-white viewers.

    Well that could be one interpretation. But as I’ve been arguing, L&O’s main thing was sensationalizing white collar crime, so one could also argue that the show falsely portrayed the criminality of doctors, lawyers, rabbis, business executives, etc. I mean uh after all, how many doctors or rabbis do you know who hire hitmen to take out their enemies?

    The show by and large sensationalized white collar crime in my opinion for reasons of entertainment. Doctors killing other doctors makes for exciting television. Some black or Hispanic gangbanger randomly killing another black or Hispanic doesn’t exactly carry an hour long plot. Where the show was accurate though, in my opinion, was in its depiction of the grittiness of NYC, including its portrayals of black and Hispanic gang members and common criminals. So the white lady doctor on trial would’ve hired some Hispanic gunman, whom the DA was able to turn in exchange for a plea deal, etc.

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  100. @Thomm
    Question :

    What is the long-term future of black people? Both in the US, as well as in Haiti and SS-Africa?

    Are they permanently hopeless short of some CRISPR-derived genetic modification that non-blacks pay for out of necessity? At the moment, it appears that every other group in the world is progressing, other than blacks.

    “What is the long-term future of black people?”

    To dominate the world.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-worlds-most-important-graph/

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  101. Gapeseed says:
    @Alden
    liberals want to pass more gun control laws but not enforce them

    Conservatives want to enforce existing laws.

    Selective enforcement of laws is a pillar of liberal power and a reflection of their results-oriented perspective.

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  102. Ward says:

    Doubleplus ungood badthink, to be sure. But it isn’t racist if it’s true, is it?

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  103. Sajmon says:

    Check this:

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  104. Art Deco says:

    Nicholas Lemann during his time as dean of the Columbia School of Journalism wanted statistics courses added as a requirement. Not sure if he got that done. This fellow Lowery has what would have been 20 years ago a plum job in American journalism and he cannot distinguish a positive discussion from a normative one. Kinda makes you wonder who the Post did not hire when they hired this guy. (If his Wiki biography is accurate, he actually is 27 years old, and like the other 27 year old reporters Ben Rhodes was talking to, knows nothing).

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  105. Art Deco says:
    @Thomm

    Now Hispanics have a 300% greater chance of murdering somebody
     
    Ron Unz would have you believe it is just 120% that of whites (1.2x).

    In New York, ‘hispanic’ generally means Puerto Rican or perhaps Dominican. Not sure about the Dominican population, but the Puerto Rican population has long had worse social metrics than the Chicano population (and worse metrics than the native black population as well). See New Mexico, which is 48% Chicano. The homicide rate there is elevated (6.7 per 100,000, v. 5 per 100,000 nationally), but not hugely so.

    1.2x does sound low.

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    In 2017, you're more likely to meet a non-islander Latino than the opposite. No joke or exaggeration, there are so many Central Americans in this city that working black men are becoming a more valuable dating/mating commodity for West Indian Latinos than their erstwhile co-ethnics. Even university-level linguists have noted the increasing availability of born quechua speakers in the 5 boroughs, and finding a decent plate of biftec con habas rojas is increasingly difficult. But hey, I can buy decent tacos everywhere and women who look like Joseline (from the tv show "Love and Hip Hop") give me the eye in public. Yay?
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  106. Ed says:
    @Perspective
    What exactly is Wesley's rebuttal to the article, other than it's "racist"? All he does is express his moral indignation towards it, this will draw more attention to it, causing people to notice things.

    He says the phrasing suggests that blacks are inherently more likely to shoot. I tried to explain to him this is simply how correlations are verbalized but he wasn’t having any of it.

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  107. Ed says:
    @prosa123
    "Haven’t violent Dominican street criminals pretty much taken over sections of Morning Side Heights and other parts of Manhattan?"

    While some Dominicans are involved in the drug trade, for the most part they are law-abiding.

    I lived in the Bronx in a section dominated by Dominicans, even the drug boys were polite. They’d hold the door for you if you’re hands were full.

    Dominicans supplanting Puerto Ricans, a group every bit as dysfunctional as AAs, as the largest Hispanic group should not be underestimated either.

    Charles Rangel’s Harlem seat was turned over to a Dominican. Not only does Harlem have more whites, it has more Dominicans.

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  108. Ed says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    In 2014, 374 people were arrested for murder. Their races were as follows:

    White: 2.9 percent

    Black: 61.8 percent

    Hispanic: 31.8 percent
     

    People can be both Black and Hispanic, so it is hard to tell how people like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are classified.

    I know for a fact that an awful lot of Dominicans are deported back to their homeland after serving sentences in New York. Dominican street gangs like Dominicans Don't Play are predominant in the Washington Heights area of New York.

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/01/23/government-now-treats-deported-dominicans-more-humanely/

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2014/03/18/100-dominican-ex-convicts-deported-from-the-u-s-arrive-today/

    Depends on who is doing the classification but a Dominican would rarely self-classify as “black”. That is the worst thing to be considered in Dominican culture. They’d sooner be classified as Indio than Negro.

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  109. Art Deco says:
    @Shouting Thomas
    We all know the truth and structure our lives in accordance.

    Even in redneck Kingston, NY, I avoided the gym over the past week because kids are out of school, which means young black men were out in force looking for a fight. They especially like to attack elderly whites.

    Gym members never hear about the black kids violent attacks from the gym administration, but we pass the word among ourselves.

    We all know what neighborhoods to avoid in the major cities and we route our travel accordingly.

    I take it your gym has problems or that neighborhood does.

    Per City Data, the population of Kingston, NY is 14.7% black (the state mean in 17%). The homicide rate has averaged about 2.4 per 100,000 during the last 15 years or so, or half the national mean. Since 2008, the robbery rate has bounced around 116 per 100,000 (after a big spike in 2008-09) v. 109 nationally; rape has been running at 20 per 100,000 v. 27 per 100,000 nationally; burglary at 475 per 100,000 v. 63o per 100,000 nationally; and car theft at 42 per 100,000 v. 220 per 100,000 nationally.

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  110. My compliments to the graphics department for using race relevent colors on the charts.
    It makes info-gestion easier. Brings facts and stats quickly to the fore.
    That must be why the MSM uses unrelated colors. It creates a kaleidoscope of konfusion.

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  111. prosa123 says: • Website

    “For example, NYC has long had … a growing African immigrant population that got in for educational credentials”

    There is a housing project on Staten Island called Park Hill, a couple miles south of the ferry terminal, that has a substantial population of first- and second-generation Liberian immigrants. While it’s by no means one of the city’s worst housing projects it is not what anyone would call a nice place.

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  112. Felix M says:

    BTW is data available on the proportion of deaths caused by white police compared to deaths caused by black police? (Obviously, this would only make sense if comparing proportions.)

    And, yes, I’m still musing on the death of Justine Damond, who was killed by a Somali recruited by the Minneapolis police. Apparently to achieve racial equity or something.

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  113. @Erik Sieven
    Actually stopping to talk about black on black violence would make it harder for antiracism to frame the debate, as it might shed light on the imbalances concerning interracial as opposed to intraracial crime. As it is right now it is quite convenient for antiracists to frame every discussion on black violence in terms of higher black victimization.

    Once or twice a year there is a wire service story about “the main victims of murder in this country are young black males.” There is (sometimes) an aside saying “many of the suspects are also young black males.”

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  114. Brutusale says:
    @Almost Missouri
    What's up with the Asian crime rate in NYC: way above white? If white New Yorkers weren't preoccupied with blacks and Hispanics, they would be crossing the street to avoid Asians!

    Are Chinatown Tong gangs running amok? Or is it just that the white New Yorkers are so SWPL that they depress the white crime rate even below the Asian one?

    Do you know any non-elite Chinese? They’ll abscond with anything not nailed down, which I’m sure causes some friction with others.

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  115. But…every recent movie, TV show and commercial tells me that the white male is the root of all evil! The statistics must be wrong!

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  116. GSR says:

    It mainly comes down to lack of nuclear families, which are culturally alien to Africans. Or more bluntly, Black men simply can’t keep their big, black members zipped.

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  117. bgates says:
    @Desiderius
    A is the indefinite article, hence not about a particular person, black or otherwise.

    Particular people use the definite.

    You're making excuses for a race hustler.

    You’re making excuses for a race hustler.

    But not, according to the rest of your comment, for any race hustler in particular.

    Among white people in New York, there are an awful lot of individuals who would never kill anybody, and there are some who are flat out dangerous. Among black people in New York, there are also an awful lot of individuals who would never kill anybody, but the fraction of dangerous individuals among black people appears to be 50x the fraction among white people. I doubt there is any one particular black person who’s 50x as likely to commit murder as the (also nonexistent) average white person – and even if there was, he wouldn’t be very threatening, because the odds of a white person committing murder in New York are so very low.

    The problem isn’t that a black person is 50x more likely to commit murder than a white person. The problem is that murderous thugs are 50x more common among black people than among white people ( in NYC).

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    But not, according to the rest of your comment, for any race hustler in particular.
     
    Indeed. The particular was not necessary to establish your perfidy. Any race hustler would do.
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  118. Tulip says:

    It is amazing the media thinks that calling people names who cite empirical facts is somehow persuasive.

    The fact that the mainstream media pushes this liberal version of “Creation Science/Socially Constructed Science” really hurts their credibility.

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  119. It is amazing the media thinks that calling people names who cite empirical facts is somehow persuasive.

    The fact that the mainstream media pushes this liberal version of “Creation Science/Socially Constructed Science” really hurts their credibility.

    Why not? Speaking power to truth has worked for them so far. Look at how many people have been unpersoned (including the blog author) and deprived of their livelihoods for stating the obvious. On questions of race, persecuting heretics as “racists” has been a very effective tactic for keeping the debate confined to how quickly and how low we must bow before our black betters.

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  120. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    Chinese crime in America isn’t street crime. It’s organized crime, prostitution, illegal gambling and extortion mostly.

    Except for the massage parlors and brothels, the crime is confined to other Chinese so it’s often not reported. The extortion is horrible. It’s not just confined to threatening businesses.

    The extortionists collect extortion money from very ordinary people.

    Legal gambling casinos were a real blow to the people who ran the illegal gambling.

    You forgot the crime of tax evasion on cash sales/transactions. Chinese businesses do that BIG TIME.

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  121. @Stephen Marle II
    I think this is saying that Wesley Lowery is 25 percent black:

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/01/thedc-investigates-is-wapos-wesley-lowery-black/

    Also, here:

    https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/538887823017771008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcrooksandliars.com%2F2014%2F12%2Fwesley-lowery-really-black-daily-caller

    If his mother and grandmother are white, I assume the grandmother in question is his father's mother? Otherwise his mother would be half white, which means she'd be Obama black.

    Remember, black means 20 to 35 percent white, depending on the data you're looking at:

    https://www.theroot.com/exactly-how-black-is-black-america-1790895185

    So Wesley is actually more like 15 to 20 percent African derived. Which is exactly how he looks in his photographs.

    If I was a mixed race individual, I would just try to go with the flow.

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  122. @bgates
    You’re making excuses for a race hustler.

    But not, according to the rest of your comment, for any race hustler in particular.

    Among white people in New York, there are an awful lot of individuals who would never kill anybody, and there are some who are flat out dangerous. Among black people in New York, there are also an awful lot of individuals who would never kill anybody, but the fraction of dangerous individuals among black people appears to be 50x the fraction among white people. I doubt there is any one particular black person who's 50x as likely to commit murder as the (also nonexistent) average white person - and even if there was, he wouldn't be very threatening, because the odds of a white person committing murder in New York are so very low.

    The problem isn't that a black person is 50x more likely to commit murder than a white person. The problem is that murderous thugs are 50x more common among black people than among white people ( in NYC).

    But not, according to the rest of your comment, for any race hustler in particular.

    Indeed. The particular was not necessary to establish your perfidy. Any race hustler would do.

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  123. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Sucks for you guys that no one takes McDonald seriously and People of Color all disagree with you

    whites will soon be a minority and justice will be done

    How has the European gotten away with casting non Europeans as violent beasts? The consistency of the violence over centuries we have done to the non European can almost be classed as inherent. To the white man, mass murder and loot was a way of life.

    “Sucks for you guys that no one takes McDonald seriously and People of Color all disagree with you”

    Now you’n kno dat dat not bein tru……we’ins hads a “off teh hook” time last’n time we be at McDonalds. You sho seemed to like dat hapy meel!

    - Lenders “be a big fan O dat clown” Pitz

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    Love your mockery of the duck, Fish.

    Happy New Year to all.
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  124. @fish
    "Sucks for you guys that no one takes McDonald seriously and People of Color all disagree with you"

    Now you'n kno dat dat not bein tru......we'ins hads a "off teh hook" time last'n time we be at McDonalds. You sho seemed to like dat hapy meel!


    - Lenders "be a big fan O dat clown" Pitz
     

    Love your mockery of the duck, Fish.

    Happy New Year to all.

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  125. rented mule says: • Website
    @Tiny Duck
    Sucks for you guys that no one takes McDonald seriously and People of Color all disagree with you

    whites will soon be a minority and justice will be done

    How has the European gotten away with casting non Europeans as violent beasts? The consistency of the violence over centuries we have done to the non European can almost be classed as inherent. To the white man, mass murder and loot was a way of life.

    Yes justice will be done. many are prepared and looking forward to it very much

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  126. MaMu1977 says: • Website
    @Art Deco
    In New York, 'hispanic' generally means Puerto Rican or perhaps Dominican. Not sure about the Dominican population, but the Puerto Rican population has long had worse social metrics than the Chicano population (and worse metrics than the native black population as well). See New Mexico, which is 48% Chicano. The homicide rate there is elevated (6.7 per 100,000, v. 5 per 100,000 nationally), but not hugely so.

    1.2x does sound low.

    In 2017, you’re more likely to meet a non-islander Latino than the opposite. No joke or exaggeration, there are so many Central Americans in this city that working black men are becoming a more valuable dating/mating commodity for West Indian Latinos than their erstwhile co-ethnics. Even university-level linguists have noted the increasing availability of born quechua speakers in the 5 boroughs, and finding a decent plate of biftec con habas rojas is increasingly difficult. But hey, I can buy decent tacos everywhere and women who look like Joseline (from the tv show “Love and Hip Hop”) give me the eye in public. Yay?

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  127. Allan says:
    @Anonymous

    Is It Racist to Notice That on Average Blacks Shoot People More?
     
    Reality is racist. Simply noticing facts and patterns is considered racist. Come to think of it, under a perfectly reasonable definition of "racism" (i.e., admitting consequential racial differences in genetic traits) just about any observation that involves group differences is racist.

    You are correct, correct, correct that “just about any observation that involves group differences is racist”. In short, it’s racist even to notice that there are different breeds of humans with consequential genetic differences, just as there are different breeds of dogs, cats, horses, and other domesticated animals. So dread “racism” is not inherently wrong.

    The antiracism fanatics, however, seek to pathologize mere “noticing facts and patterns” and to stigmatize some racists—but usually not the brown and black racists—such that they become pariahs who are ashamed for knowing truth. This unprovoked aggression and mental cruelty can lead to suffering, deprivation, and other harm, so there is a very good case for condemning antiracism as immoral and antisocial.

    Given the extreme enmity and malice of antiracism activists, we ought to change the law (i) to decriminalize private counterattacks against antiracists and (ii) to permit the courts to impose harsh civil and criminal penalities upon those destructive, self-righteous pests.

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  128. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    What utter bollocks. During the ten year stretch I did in Sodom-on-Hudson @ 96 Fifth Ave, next door to Bobby Flay’s Mesa, the local diner for a while, the honkey’s were people like me: those with something that made money for the banks. There were far more extraordinarily well paid peons than Trust fund dribbulets.

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  129. LetsPlay says:

    Well, it is raycist! Look, whitey created da gun, he invnted bullets and gun powda, he sold or provided dem wit da gun, he gave dem da mental anguish for whcih to justify venting his wrath on others and becuse da closest peoples was ohter blacks, well, balck on blak attacks. All da faoult of da white man! Word./sarc

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  130. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Look, Steve, you're just not getting it, so let me explain it t you very simply so your tiny, racist mind can understand:

    1. All racial groups (not that there really are races but you racist whites keep categorizing humans into racial groups for no reason) are perfectly equal under the skin.

    1. a. Btw, different skin tones and skeletal structures don't prove anything. The brain is special. I mean, why would nature ever change the brain along with the rest of the body. It's not like the brain is important to survival.

    2. All cultures are equal. No culture leads to better or worse outcomes. They are all equally beautiful.

    3. Due to (1) and (2), any differences in outcomes between what you call "races" would be caused by an outside force.

    4. Given the fact that whites (really, white males, not that there really is a racial category called white) have dominated this country and its institutions for four centuries, that outside force is quite obviously white racism.

    5. White racism is responsible for all differences among what you call "races," except in sports and entertainment where blacks (not there is such a thing as the black race, though I'm quite proud to be black, not that it really exists) simply work harder than whites (if whites were really a racial group, which they're not, except white racists like you).

    6. If you (or Ms. MacDonald) bring up differences among various so-called racial groups (not that there are such things but you won't let it go) without acknowledging that these differences are caused by white racism, you are racist, and, thus, perpetuating the problem.

    Therefore, Ms. MacDonald is a racist. Despite what you say, PC is not a war on noticing. In fact, it is a War on Not Noticing White Racism.

    P.S. Don't even think about bringing up NE Asians and their performance compared to whites in a variety of metrics because it's racist, you racist. Did I mention that you're a racist.

    Are you mad bro, just because he used facts? We use facts to sit at the grown up table. The writer did mention the breakdown of the African-American family, which has been growing since LBJ exacerbated the welfare state.

    Good thing the author didn’t use Chicago’s statistics.

    So what you’re saying is Americans can’t have a rational conversation on race based on facts. This release of responsibility is holding the black man down and especially the African-American family.

    The soft bigotry of low expectations of blacks is pushed by the media and liberals. However I don’t see this in the blue collar world, where blacks and whites have a mutual consensus of respect for family, working class America and disdain for violent crime.

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