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From the New York Times:

‘Protecting Our European Way of Life’? Outrage Follows New E.U. Role

By Matina Stevis-Gridneff
Sept. 12, 2019

BRUSSELS — When Ursula von der Leyen, the incoming chief of the European Union’s powerful administrative branch, unveiled her top team at a news conference on Tuesday, one new job title provoked a sea of puzzled faces: “vice president for protecting our European way of life.”

But when she then tried to explain what the role would involve — responsibility for migration policy, among other things — the puzzlement turned to outrage. Critics denounced the phrasing as an echo of far-right rhetoric that identifies Europe as white and Christian, and migration from the Middle East and Africa as a threat to that identity.

The outrage has only grown, with pressure mounting on Ms. von der Leyen to scrap the title altogether. By Thursday, even the man Ms. von der Leyen is scheduled to succeed, Jean-Claude Juncker, the current president of the European Commission, was voicing doubts.

“I don’t like the idea that the European way of life is opposed to migration. Accepting those that come from far away is part of the European way of life,” Mr. Juncker told Euronews in an interview.

Andrew Stroehlein, European media director for Human Rights Watch, said, “Putting migration under a portfolio named ‘protecting our European way of life’ is another example of just how much mainstream politicians in Europe are adopting the framing of the far right.”

“Normalizing their ugly rhetoric is a dangerous step toward normalizing their abusive policies that threaten democracy and human rights,” he added.

… The hostility toward the title came as a surprise to Ms. von der Leyen, several people who discussed the matter with her during a meeting with European lawmakers later Tuesday said.

“Everyone felt that this is an exclusive and insulting thing for anyone with migration background or migrants themselves,” said Ska Keller, a member of the European Parliament and a leader of the Green group, who was among those Ms. von der Leyen met to discuss her plans for the European Commission.

It’s important to note how you are never supposed to learn anything from past mistakes of immigration policy. For example, it’s widely said today in the U.S. that Prohibition was a mistake. That’s because nobody takes it all that personally. On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally if anyone dare points out past mistakes in immigration policy. The lesson I take from this is to be extremely cautious about immigration, but the conventional wisdom seems to be that we must put the pedal to the metal on immigration just to PROVE that nobody has any doubts whatsoever about past immigrants.

… The phrase “protecting the European way of life” has long been used by representatives of the European People’s Party, the center-right grouping to which both Mr. Juncker and Ms. von der Leyen belong. It appears in a major speech Mr. Juncker made in 2016.

But Mr. Juncker used the phrase to criticize Mr. Orban and other leaders he accused of backtracking on human rights, including through the promotion of violently antimigrant rhetoric.

In other words, all that matters these days is Who? Whom?

“For me, it’s very important that the European Commission does not use the same words as the extreme right,” Ms. Delli said in a phone interview.

“The European way of life is not in opposition with immigration. If you know the history in Europe, you know Europe was made with immigration,” she added.

Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans.

 
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  1. If Nazis had been more clever, they would have accused Poland and Russia of being xenophobic and unwelcoming to German migrants(in tanks).

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    If the Nazis hadn't been deranged evil loons they would have acted as the liberators they were initially welcomed as in Russia.

    I find it interesting how many Europeans I come across who take it as a personal slight that I voted to leave the EU.
    , @byrresheim
    Actually, Polish xenophobia, or rather hatred for the German minority, was one of many causes for conflict.

    History has been thoroughly cleansed.
    , @Cowboy shaw
    It's amazing how completely white washed from history the vast archipelago of German colonies stretching way into the east as far as siberia have been. The accepted story now is that Hitler was expanding into completely foreign territory, whereas much of his motivation was to formally exert control over areas with extant powerful German minority populations. This is important because plonking down large minority groups in the west will provide the same sort of motivation and levarage for politicians in the future. Erdogan is already playing this trick with the Turks in Germany.

    So yeah, New improved SJW Hitler would say minority Germans are being persecuted by nasty alt-right nationalist poles and russians, so we're coming in.

    , @historicus
    Actually Poland had interned thousands of ethnic Germans and routinely killed fleeing German refugees at border crossings. We hear a lot about the supposed “Aryan superiority” of the Germans but not a word about the racist, nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship. With London’s worthless guarantee of military aid, the Polish General Staff had drawn up an attack plan they believed would see their army –the fourth largest in Europe- in Berlin in four weeks.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.
    , @Anonymous
    They were the first to use the appellation, "terrorists " to describe the partisans attacking behind the front lines during ww2. This was well into the occupation. It was distinct from partisans, which itself was a euphemism. Often for people they simply wanted to execute.
  2. This kind of talk is like dissolving a cell membrane that separates the inside/outside of the cell and governs what may enter.

    Without an effective cell membrane the cell dissolves and dies.

    Maybe that’s the point here?

    Guarantee these EU functionaries live nowhere near nonWhites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Not really possible in Brussels anymore sadly.
    , @Joe Stalin
    Let me see, ah, "Transfection."

    Transfection is the process of deliberately introducing naked or purified nucleic acids into eukaryotic cells.[1][2] It may also refer to other methods and cell types, although other terms are often preferred: "transformation" is typically used to describe non-viral DNA transfer in bacteria and non-animal eukaryotic cells, including plant cells. In animal cells, transfection is the preferred term as transformation is also used to refer to progression to a cancerous state (carcinogenesis) in these cells. Transduction is often used to describe virus-mediated gene transfer into eukaryotic cells.[2][3]

    The word transfection is a portmanteau of trans- and infection. Genetic material (such as supercoiled plasmid DNA or siRNA constructs), or even proteins such as antibodies, may be transfected.

    Transfection of animal cells typically involves opening transient pores or "holes" in the cell membrane to allow the uptake of material. Transfection can be carried out using calcium phosphate (i.e. tricalcium phosphate), by electroporation, by cell squeezing or by mixing a cationic lipid with the material to produce liposomes that fuse with the cell membrane and deposit their cargo inside.

    Transfection can result in unexpected morphologies and abnormalities in target cells.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfection
     
    , @95Theses
    Great analogy. Worth remembering.
    , @ben tillman

    This kind of talk is like dissolving a cell membrane that separates the inside/outside of the cell and governs what may enter.

    Without an effective cell membrane the cell dissolves and dies.

    Maybe that’s the point here?
     
    Yes, that is precisely the point.
  3. Ok. To be fair, those who would’ve been outraged over Prohibition died from drinking 100 proof moonshine.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    "100 proof" is pretty common for alcohol. Navy strength gin is higher.

    The problem with moonshine is not its strength but the possibility of incompetent processing. You have to throw out a portion of what you distill because it's poisonous. If you don't choose the right moment in the distilling process, you get blind instead of just blind drunk.
  4. Fundamentally, this example is about whether European peoples have the will to preserve their nations and culture.

    Evidence so far says “no.”

    Next stop, ash heap of history!

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    It’s pretty clear that mist of their leaders have no will to preserve their nations and culture.
    , @Sam Malone
    The even more fundamental question, answered negatively for at least the last 80 years, was whether European peoples had the will to preserve their racial unity and strength. It is because we effectively answered negatively that our nations and cultures have been decaying, along with our racial position.

    We - the white race, Western civilization, our individual national states and cultures, whatever you want to call it - have been sliding toward the ash heap of history for longer than almost any of us have been alive. The immivasion is just the aftermath of the real decision we collectively made through action or inaction a long time ago.

  5. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    The whole “Europe was made with immigration” narrative is just the Americanization of Europe.

    The current crop of Atlanticist i.e. Americanized political classes in Europe that were fostered in the postwar US dominated European order need to die and be replaced, and Europe needs something like the Great Firewall to block off intellectual and cultural influence from the US, like this immigrationist ideology, rap music, Hollywood, etc.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous


    “The European way of life is not in opposition with immigration. If you know the history in Europe, you know Europe was made with immigration,” she added.
     
    Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans.
     
    Well, of course, what she means by Europe and what you mean are quite different. For her "Europe" is the collection of projects and movements that started post-WWII. And for that "Europe," immigration has been central.
    , @Bragadocious
    LOL, hate speech laws are as European and Canadian as it gets. We don't have them -- yet. Despite steady chipping away at the perimeters by people who want to scrap the 1A and make us just like Europe. It's we who need a firewall from Europe and Canada.
    , @midtown
    Agreed.
  6. “The European way of life is not in opposition with immigration. If you know the history in Europe, you know Europe was made with immigration,” she added.

    Yep. Lots of people immigrated into killing fields of all kinds.

    Justifying modern-day “Europe in a Locked-Down Stability” as being completely in line with “Europe the 4000-year ultrakill churn area” is mind-boggling and demands immigration of bureaucrats.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    If only we could have a defenestration of Brussels!
  7. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally

    In Canada, it’s not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada’s national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country’s social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor

    Immigrant pushback:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. – Avnish Nanda, Everyone’s Canada

    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht’s piece as a “call to hatred”.

    “Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate’s greatest fuel,” Govender tweeted. “Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!”.

    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.

    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I'm glad you're letting our American friends here know about this Vancouver Sun controversy.

    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:
    [....]
    — jennifer evans

    Our university system, Hollywood and television have done a fantastic job turning our Jennifers against us. All that passion women have for enforcing social norms and advocating for the weak now goes into enforcing globalism in every nook and cranny of society.

    Yesterday I saw this on the Vancouver Sun opinion piece:

    https://twitter.com/CANADALAND/status/1172588148272091136

    When I check out the author's Twitter account (@JagdeeshMann) I see he looks like the kind of South Asian guy who's usually too busy making money with his mobile phone, real estate and knock-off cologne businesses to bother with politics. I guess he'll make an exception when a good old fashioned shakedown operation is on offer. To paraphrase Yeats:

    The Whites lack all conviction, while the Desis
    Are full of passionate pushiness.

    , @Redneck farmer
    So, they hate America even more than heritage Canadians?
    , @216

    They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     
    When I hear an immigrant defending Eurocentrism, converting to either Anglicanism or Catholicism; and identifying primarily as either Anglo or Quebcois to the detriment of their ancestral culture.

    Maybe I might be inclined to believe them.

    But no, they identify with Liberalism for you, ethnocentrism for me.
    , @Counterinsurgency
    Women turning against the current order is a fairly old phenomenon.

    When the current order breaks down (and not before), the same women will be hiding behind men, who won't offer them good terms but will protect them. Happens every time the breakdown isn't sever enough to kill everybody.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @El Dato

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.
     
    In the newspeak dictionary, that is called DUCKSPEAK

    ...What was required, above all for political purposes, was short clipped words of unmistakable meaning which could be uttered rapidly and which roused the minimum of echoes in the speaker’s mind. The words of the B vocabulary even gained in force from the fact that nearly all of them were very much alike. Almost invariably these words — goodthink, Minipax, prolefeed, sexcrime, joycamp, Ingsoc, bellyfeel, thinkpol, and countless others — were words of two or three syllables, with the stress distributed equally between the first syllable and the last. The use of them encouraged a gabbling style of speech, at once staccato and monotonous. And this was exactly what was aimed at. The intention was to make speech, and especially speech on any subject not ideologically neutral, as nearly as possible independent of consciousness. For the purposes of everyday life it was no doubt necessary, or sometimes necessary, to reflect before speaking, but a Party member called upon to make a political or ethical judgement should be able to spray forth the correct opinions as automatically as a machine gun spraying forth bullets. His training fitted him to do this, the language gave him an almost foolproof instrument, and the texture of the words, with their harsh sound and a certain wilful ugliness which was in accord with the spirit of Ingsoc, assisted the process still further.
     
    I will laugh when Canada becomes Yougoslavia.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    Canada seems farther gone than even the U.S. The Canadian penchant for being polite and nice is probably a big contributor.

    PC insidiously feeds on niceness. After all, if you don't have anything nice to say about other people, you are not supposed to say anything.

    Since you can't say "no" to immigration without criticizing immigrants then by definition you are not a "nice" and "polite" person. So your opinions must be officially cancelled even if they are objectively correct.

    This is especially a problem as conformist women are now the predominant element in all culture war debates.

    Death by politeness will be the end of the West.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Vancouver, where even the silos are diverse.



    https://assets.atlasobscura.com/media/W1siZiIsInVwbG9hZHMvcGxhY2VfaW1hZ2VzLzliNTVhYjQ5NDE2MDM5ZTEyMV8xNTMzMDQ2MzQ4MV8wY2ZiZGQ0NWQyX28uanBnIl0sWyJwIiwidGh1bWIiLCJ4MzkwPiJdLFsicCIsImNvbnZlcnQiLCItcXVhbGl0eSA4MSAtYXV0by1vcmllbnQiXV0/15330463481_0cfbdd45d2_o.jpg
    , @nymom
    Or if they are like American migrants to different states they will bring the very values they left their old state to escape from and turn the new state into a replica of the one they moved into...ie., New Yorkers who moved to Florida and start voting in RINOs and/or Democrats and California escapees to Texas and Colorado who then started voting in the same kinds of candidates from the loony left they fled from in the first place.

    So expect Muslims who move into Canada to begin imposing Sharia law and Venezuelans to want all kinds of free stuff from the government that is currently causing the collapse of their old state. I'm sure Asians will begin reforming similar patterns of behaviors...like I recently read people marry those who inflict suffering they are used to on them (as first inflicted on them by their parents)...

    Makes sense in a weird kind of way...
    , @ben tillman
    Yes, people can be manipulated to do things contrary to their interests. So what? It doesn't change the fact that this change is being forced on Canadians.
  8. @Anonymous
    If Nazis had been more clever, they would have accused Poland and Russia of being xenophobic and unwelcoming to German migrants(in tanks).

    If the Nazis hadn’t been deranged evil loons they would have acted as the liberators they were initially welcomed as in Russia.

    I find it interesting how many Europeans I come across who take it as a personal slight that I voted to leave the EU.

    • Replies: @Logan
    You are entirely right.

    But if they'be been able to truly and sincerely view themselves as liberating the Slavs oppressed by the commies, they wouldn't have been Nazis, would they?
    , @byrresheim
    True, true and true.

    So sad.
  9. I posted this before but it bares repeating here.

    JS Ondara: The Kenyan rising star singing about life in Trump’s America

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-49017646

    He adds: “But there’s definitely a growing intolerance towards immigrants at the moment and immigration, and as an immigrant myself, I get caught up in that emotionally. And I’m hoping that, you know, by sort of talking about it, we’ll sort out if we can, you know…”

    Indeed… Loath the natives have a right to get emotional about it… You’d think immigrants would see themselves as guests who haven’t a right to invite others but then that’s not how ethnic conflict works. This man got into the US on a green card lottery by the way.

    The immigrant veto: Once an immigrant from a non-North Western European country enters a North Western European country or offshoot, the natives lose control of immigration policy. It can stay the same or expand but never contract. The native perspective becomes illegitimate.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Agree here.

    True immigration means moving yourself and leaving your co-ethnics behind. Picking a nice place and demographically swamping it equates to an invasion.

    Maybe this rising star Kenyan could go back and sing the praises of Kenya taking in more refugees and migrants in the name of diversity and inclusion. Let me quote Wiki as to the benefits of such in Kenya:

    In part due to the ethnic and geographic diversity of Kenyan politics, no singular narrative can explain the reaction of opposition supporters to the announcement of Kibaki's swearing-in, which was done on December 30, 2007 in the evening. In addition to staging several non-violent protests, opposition supporters went on a violent rampage killing Kikuyus. Raila Odinga encouraged supporters to engage in mass protests which he announced on local television and radio stations, most noticeably in Mombasa, Eldoret, Kericho, Kisumu, Nakuru and parts of Nairobi. Police shot hundreds of violent demonstrators, including a few in front of TV news cameras, causing more violence.[9][10]

    Targeted ethnic violence (as opposed to violent protests) escalated and at first was directed mainly against Kikuyu people—the community of which Kibaki is a member—living outside their traditional settlement areas, especially in the Rift Valley Province.[11] The violence started with the murder of over 50 unarmed Kikuyu women and children, some as young as a month old, by locking them in a church and burning them alive in Kiambaa village near Eldoret, on New Year's Day. Tensions in the Rift Valley have caused violence in several previous Kenyan elections, most notably in the 1992 Kenyan Elections. This prompted the Kikuyu to start defending themselves which forced the Luos and Kalenjins to stop the killings of the Kikuyus.


    All good, man; all good.
  10. Truly it gets down to who-wants-it-more with the answer being… They do. Most whites would prefer being cool or hip to existing. Though what frightens me most is being in the remnant of a much vilified former majority. Retribution is as certain as night follows day. I’m also certain these magnanimous Europeans believe they can trust in the goodness of their immigrant brethren once they become the majority so aren’t considering the possibility of this not being the case.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Retribution is as certain as night follows day
     
    Retribution for what? Sounds like a lame excuse to justify the equivalent of dingoes eating a baby.

    Note here, again, that immigration is sold as a social good but delivered as an extermination.
    , @istevefan

    Most whites would prefer being cool or hip to existing.
     
    Most Whites, and people for that matter, prefer to be on the winning side. They will sit on the fence until they see one side or the other turning the tide. Then they will migrate to that side.

    I don't doubt for a minute that if our side were the one wielding the whip hand and was in control of the media, academia, tech, etc., etc., Whites would be coming out of the woodwork to denounce MASS immigration and the threat it poses.

    In fact it would probably be easier to get Whites to come out in favor of our positions on immigration because deep down it is actually in their self interest. Currently Whites walk on egg shells to toe the line of the current regime because it is such an unnatural position to take. Yet they do it because being on winning side is also instinctive.

    It doesn't help that the leadership on our supposed side has been co-opted by people who are diametrically opposed to our views. Thus we've been in full retreat for years because our so called leaders don't really want our side to win.

    Until we begin to take firm positions and hold them, this trend will continue. I believe we have more than enough people on our side with the collective economic clout to effect change. Remember, studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized, and what little organization does appear from time to time is easily derailed by outside elements jumping in to snuff it out.
  11. Another example of immigrant narcissism I’ve posted before but always makes me laugh.

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan. (But also sometimes Korea and China)

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*

    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    It's not just blacks. I'd say 80% or maybe more of the foreigners here want Japan to become USA/Europe. (I may experience some selection bias though.) Many of the foreigners do not have serious contact with anything cultural that is actually Japanese (food culture excepted). I even have co-workers who moved here just to get a job, like you might move to another city in your home country. It's bad enough that, among some people, if you say something positive about preserving the physical or cultural remains of the past, you get accused of having oppressive attitudes towards the Japanese.
    Unfortunately, there are a large number of Japanese people who also want Japan to change. These are usually people who are unhappy due to certain aspects of modern life in Japan and just have a "grass is greener" perspective on life in the USA/Canada/Europe.
    , @teotoon
    We have gone from Magic Dirt to Magic Black. If the Japanese don't want to become the new Ainu, they need to double down on their control of immigration.
    , @216
    Those devoted to the Open Society are unwilling to let anyone have a closed society.

    The whole language is paternalistic, which would be condemned if it was a white missionary converting uncontacted tribes.
    , @bomag

    He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.
     
    Good point. We are told "diversity is our strength blah blah blah" while on the ground, things get worse overall from mass immigration compared to what could have been with the alternative. But we can't un-explode the bomb, and the advocates of this destruction are paying no compensation.
    , @Bubba
    Here's the latest from the shifty-eyed, creep Krugman...

    https://twitter.com/Local_Guy2/status/1172885069859557383
    , @JMcG
    It pains me greatly to say this, but the majority in Ireland does in fact want it to stop being Ireland. The folks in the countryside probably don’t, but they’re convinced that their betters in the government ministries know best. Soon it will be too late.
  12. The European way of life was meant as plainly that – until a few years ago. Then it became problematic, because of immigration. Now immigration is the reason, to use the phrase European way of life to protect immigration. The idea behind this move is simple: Let immigration melt into the expression European way of life and you have won one more fight in the Gramsci-tradition of the conquest of the political discourse and therewith of the whole public sphere and policies.

    This linguistic fight of the majority in the EU parliament works as a strategy to calm down the public discourse because the most important media outlets in central Europe follow this path.

    The real-world problem remains though, that in Austria for example, the most (!) of the severe crimes like murder and rape, etc. are already committed by immigrants/migrants (this is one of the true wonders in the European public sphere these days: That Austria did indeed publish these numbers!).

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    The real-world problem remains though, that in Austria for example, the most (!) of the severe crimes like murder and rape, etc. are already committed by immigrants/migrants (this is one of the true wonders in the European public sphere these days: That Austria did indeed publish these numbers!).
     
    The real-world problem from the standpoint of EU governments is that they would fall tomorrow without the support of the foreigners they have imported and continue to feed, house, and clothe. In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election. Given the choice between winning the next election and having their descendants lose the country, they don't even see a choice. "What, after all, has posterity ever done for us?"

    If you want this to change, you will have to force the change. Ordinarily, this means abandoning representative government.

    Here's a bit of history: Oliver Cromwell's side deposed the king and tried to elect a responsible and representative parliament. His last attempt at that before becoming Protector (dictator in function) was the Barebone Parliament [1], also called the "Mad Parliament". Take a look at reference [1] and you can see why a step to absolute rule was Cromwell's only remaining move. You might see it again.
    The step to absolute rule was a variant on Parkinson's Injelititis [2] cure: Convert everything that you can to money, fire everybody, and use the money to re-start with completely new name, personnel, and physical plant. When everything is gone -- plant is worn out, buildnings too big and obsolete, personnel hopelessly convinced that intrigue is their only salvation [3], then Parkinson's cure is the only one left.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barebone%27s_Parliament

    2] https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-n6mqYo6d8uKz06xm/Parkinson-s-Law_djvu.txt
    then search for symbol string:
    Injelititis, or Palsied Paralysis

    3] "In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
    Hunter S. Thompson , Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (novel) , Part I, 9 (1971)
  13. @Anonymous
    If Nazis had been more clever, they would have accused Poland and Russia of being xenophobic and unwelcoming to German migrants(in tanks).

    Actually, Polish xenophobia, or rather hatred for the German minority, was one of many causes for conflict.

    History has been thoroughly cleansed.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    True, ethnic hate and genocide tends to do that for some reason.
    , @Lurker
    Probably not helped by including part of Germany (plus Germans) in the 1919 version of Poland. What could possibly have gone wrong?
    , @J.Ross
    There was a similar earlier issue with Italian Dalmatia. An excellent /k/ thread described the war hero poet-colonel who led the brief independence of an Adriatic city-state. It totally should be a movie and it was definitely influential at the time.
    http://boards.4channel.org/k/thread/42584604
  14. “I don’t like the idea that the European way of life is opposed to migration. Accepting those that come from far away is part of the European way of life,” Mr. Juncker told Euronews in an interview.

    Will no one rid us of this troublesome globalist?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The short answer is no one can.

    He was selected for the job by thoroughly undemocratic means.
  15. Normalizing their ugly rhetoric is a dangerous step toward normalizing their abusive policies that threaten democracy and human rights

    The ugly rhetoric of the pro-immigration crowd is what has been normalized. Now Europe is being demographically slaughtered, which renders moot any practice of human rights by them or on their behalf.

  16. Why exactly, did the politicians complaining run for office? In the US, they could at least hide under a history of change; not so much in Europe.

  17. Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans.

    Hey, someone had to do the work that the Celts, Romans and Byzantines wouldn’t do.

  18. unveiled her top team

    Isn’t unveiling someone a hate crime now, in addition to assault?

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2016/03/19/schoolchildren-tear-off-womans-hijab-in-london/

  19. @Anonymous
    If Nazis had been more clever, they would have accused Poland and Russia of being xenophobic and unwelcoming to German migrants(in tanks).

    It’s amazing how completely white washed from history the vast archipelago of German colonies stretching way into the east as far as siberia have been. The accepted story now is that Hitler was expanding into completely foreign territory, whereas much of his motivation was to formally exert control over areas with extant powerful German minority populations. This is important because plonking down large minority groups in the west will provide the same sort of motivation and levarage for politicians in the future. Erdogan is already playing this trick with the Turks in Germany.

    So yeah, New improved SJW Hitler would say minority Germans are being persecuted by nasty alt-right nationalist poles and russians, so we’re coming in.

  20. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

    In a nutshell, this is what Brexit is all about.

    It’s also the reason why the machinations of the UK’s Deep State (Economist TM) in keeping Britain in the EU despite the Referendum result simply *CANNOT* be allowed to prevail, and the fight to leave the EU, bag and baggage, must be fought right down to the bitterest end with no quarter given.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    In a nutshell, this is what Brexit is all about.
     
    Brexit is not going to fix any of this. If anything it will lead to a huge increase in Third World immigration. The British ruling class is solidly globalist. That includes Brexiteers like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. Unless the British can do something about their own ruling class they have zero chance of survival.

    The fact that so many people think Brexit is a magic solution is deeply depressing.
  21. @El Dato

    "The European way of life is not in opposition with immigration. If you know the history in Europe, you know Europe was made with immigration,” she added.
     
    Yep. Lots of people immigrated into killing fields of all kinds.

    Justifying modern-day "Europe in a Locked-Down Stability" as being completely in line with "Europe the 4000-year ultrakill churn area" is mind-boggling and demands immigration of bureaucrats.

    https://i.imgur.com/xLykB0s.jpg

    If only we could have a defenestration of Brussels!

  22. @Anonymous

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally
     
    In Canada, it's not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada's national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country's social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor
     
    Immigrant pushback:

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1170331488044191744

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1172329509468524545

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. - Avnish Nanda, Everyone's Canada
     
    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht's piece as a "call to hatred".

    "Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate's greatest fuel," Govender tweeted. "Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!".
     
    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.
     
    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     

    I’m glad you’re letting our American friends here know about this Vancouver Sun controversy.

    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:
    [….]
    — jennifer evans

    Our university system, Hollywood and television have done a fantastic job turning our Jennifers against us. All that passion women have for enforcing social norms and advocating for the weak now goes into enforcing globalism in every nook and cranny of society.

    Yesterday I saw this on the Vancouver Sun opinion piece:

    When I check out the author’s Twitter account (@JagdeeshMann) I see he looks like the kind of South Asian guy who’s usually too busy making money with his mobile phone, real estate and knock-off cologne businesses to bother with politics. I guess he’ll make an exception when a good old fashioned shakedown operation is on offer. To paraphrase Yeats:

    The Whites lack all conviction, while the Desis
    Are full of passionate pushiness.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Whites lack all conviction, while the Desis
    Are full of passionate pushiness.

     
    Ah, but compare the cultural vitality of the new Asian British Columbians compared to the tenements they've replaced:


    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Loretta_Lees/publication/249750368/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/A-Vancouver-monster-house.png

    https://mrp-listings.myrealpage.com/3/4/5/86881543/d696d8ea4a26595a71146bdf356fd592.jpeg
    , @AnotherDad

    Our university system, Hollywood and television have done a fantastic job turning our Jennifers against us. All that passion women have for enforcing social norms and advocating for the weak now goes into enforcing globalism in every nook and cranny of society.
     
    Cagey this deserves pride of place and a comment all its own.

    Everyone who cares about saving the West thoroughly grasp this problem.
  23. @miss marple
    Ok. To be fair, those who would've been outraged over Prohibition died from drinking 100 proof moonshine.

    “100 proof” is pretty common for alcohol. Navy strength gin is higher.

    The problem with moonshine is not its strength but the possibility of incompetent processing. You have to throw out a portion of what you distill because it’s poisonous. If you don’t choose the right moment in the distilling process, you get blind instead of just blind drunk.

  24. @Altai
    Another example of immigrant narcissism I've posted before but always makes me laugh.

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan. (But also sometimes Korea and China)

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*
     
    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    It’s not just blacks. I’d say 80% or maybe more of the foreigners here want Japan to become USA/Europe. (I may experience some selection bias though.) Many of the foreigners do not have serious contact with anything cultural that is actually Japanese (food culture excepted). I even have co-workers who moved here just to get a job, like you might move to another city in your home country. It’s bad enough that, among some people, if you say something positive about preserving the physical or cultural remains of the past, you get accused of having oppressive attitudes towards the Japanese.
    Unfortunately, there are a large number of Japanese people who also want Japan to change. These are usually people who are unhappy due to certain aspects of modern life in Japan and just have a “grass is greener” perspective on life in the USA/Canada/Europe.

  25. Look Europe, Muslims and African negroes need more space on the planet to live in.
    I don’t know why you fear people who demand more Lebensraum.
    Honestly, how unreasonable can you be?

  26. @Anonymous
    The whole "Europe was made with immigration" narrative is just the Americanization of Europe.

    The current crop of Atlanticist i.e. Americanized political classes in Europe that were fostered in the postwar US dominated European order need to die and be replaced, and Europe needs something like the Great Firewall to block off intellectual and cultural influence from the US, like this immigrationist ideology, rap music, Hollywood, etc.

    “The European way of life is not in opposition with immigration. If you know the history in Europe, you know Europe was made with immigration,” she added.

    Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans.

    Well, of course, what she means by Europe and what you mean are quite different. For her “Europe” is the collection of projects and movements that started post-WWII. And for that “Europe,” immigration has been central.

  27. Wasn’t there a pro-immigration poem on a plaque on the base of the Colossus of Rhodes? “Welcome ye weary travelers from Alexandria.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Wasn’t there a pro-immigration poem on a plaque on the base of the Colossus of Rhodes? “Welcome ye weary travelers from Alexandria.”
     
    Is this true?
  28. @byrresheim
    Actually, Polish xenophobia, or rather hatred for the German minority, was one of many causes for conflict.

    History has been thoroughly cleansed.

    True, ethnic hate and genocide tends to do that for some reason.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    I would not go so far as you did and describe Polish policy towards minorities as genocide, but what happened in the twenties and thirties does invite scrutiny.
  29. @Altai
    Another example of immigrant narcissism I've posted before but always makes me laugh.

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan. (But also sometimes Korea and China)

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*
     
    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    We have gone from Magic Dirt to Magic Black. If the Japanese don’t want to become the new Ainu, they need to double down on their control of immigration.

  30. “.If you know the history in Europe, you know Europe was made with immigration,” she added.

    True. Jews spread to everywhere first. Genocidal anti-white immigration thinking followed.

    • Agree: JMcG
  31. @LondonBob
    If the Nazis hadn't been deranged evil loons they would have acted as the liberators they were initially welcomed as in Russia.

    I find it interesting how many Europeans I come across who take it as a personal slight that I voted to leave the EU.

    You are entirely right.

    But if they’be been able to truly and sincerely view themselves as liberating the Slavs oppressed by the commies, they wouldn’t have been Nazis, would they?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    But if they’be been able to truly and sincerely view themselves as liberating the Slavs oppressed by the commies, they wouldn’t have been Nazis, would they?
     
    Sure they would.
  32. @Anonymous
    The whole "Europe was made with immigration" narrative is just the Americanization of Europe.

    The current crop of Atlanticist i.e. Americanized political classes in Europe that were fostered in the postwar US dominated European order need to die and be replaced, and Europe needs something like the Great Firewall to block off intellectual and cultural influence from the US, like this immigrationist ideology, rap music, Hollywood, etc.

    LOL, hate speech laws are as European and Canadian as it gets. We don’t have them — yet. Despite steady chipping away at the perimeters by people who want to scrap the 1A and make us just like Europe. It’s we who need a firewall from Europe and Canada.

    • Replies: @Herbert West
    Hate speech laws have proven to be pretty superfluous in America. You can just program the sheeple from childhood in the government schools and on the tube. Nobody in American public life seriously questions things like immivasion without rapidly becoming a cordoned-off pariah like Tucker Carlson.
  33. @Anonymous
    If Nazis had been more clever, they would have accused Poland and Russia of being xenophobic and unwelcoming to German migrants(in tanks).

    Actually Poland had interned thousands of ethnic Germans and routinely killed fleeing German refugees at border crossings. We hear a lot about the supposed “Aryan superiority” of the Germans but not a word about the racist, nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship. With London’s worthless guarantee of military aid, the Polish General Staff had drawn up an attack plan they believed would see their army –the fourth largest in Europe- in Berlin in four weeks.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Actually Poland had interned thousands of ethnic Germans and routinely killed fleeing German refugees at border crossings.
     
    Where can we learn more about this? It's an episode of history which doesn't get much coverage.
    , @El Dato

    nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship
     
    Poles are not Slavs and do not consider themselves as such.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.
     
    Complete ahistorical bullshit.

    If that was a "desperate pre-emptive strike" they would have started a few months earlier instead of helping Mussolini out in other parts of Europe. No, it was planned to be a leisurely "gonna be a cakewalk" expedition.

    Also, Soviets must have the first land army in the history of the World that gets its shit pushed in mercilessly (about 2000 miles or so) while having massive forces ready for attack. Yeah. They had to drop newly enrolled soldiers into the field with no weapons, trying to stop advancing Panzer III. Some "preparation for invasion".

    Now I'm not saying that it might not have happened in 1947 or earlier, but the Red Army was not ready in '41.
    , @J.Ross
    Pan Slavism is a totally separate concept from individual Slavic nationalisms, it was never developed very far (as opposed to local nationalism which became very highly developed), and pretty much everybody saw what would happen if there was any kind of a para-governmental structure (ie, a certain particular country to the East would take over, by force, by size, argument about worthiness, or because the others were fighting).
  34. @Anonymous

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally
     
    In Canada, it's not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada's national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country's social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor
     
    Immigrant pushback:

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1170331488044191744

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1172329509468524545

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. - Avnish Nanda, Everyone's Canada
     
    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht's piece as a "call to hatred".

    "Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate's greatest fuel," Govender tweeted. "Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!".
     
    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.
     
    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     

    So, they hate America even more than heritage Canadians?

  35. @Anonymous
    If Nazis had been more clever, they would have accused Poland and Russia of being xenophobic and unwelcoming to German migrants(in tanks).

    They were the first to use the appellation, “terrorists ” to describe the partisans attacking behind the front lines during ww2. This was well into the occupation. It was distinct from partisans, which itself was a euphemism. Often for people they simply wanted to execute.

  36. @Moses
    This kind of talk is like dissolving a cell membrane that separates the inside/outside of the cell and governs what may enter.

    Without an effective cell membrane the cell dissolves and dies.

    Maybe that’s the point here?

    Guarantee these EU functionaries live nowhere near nonWhites.

    Not really possible in Brussels anymore sadly.

  37. Of course, it’s outrageous to preserve the European way of life! In fact, the EU was conceived to destroy Europe not to preserve it.

  38. @Altai
    I posted this before but it bares repeating here.

    JS Ondara: The Kenyan rising star singing about life in Trump’s America

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-49017646

    He adds: “But there’s definitely a growing intolerance towards immigrants at the moment and immigration, and as an immigrant myself, I get caught up in that emotionally. And I’m hoping that, you know, by sort of talking about it, we’ll sort out if we can, you know…”
     
    Indeed… Loath the natives have a right to get emotional about it… You’d think immigrants would see themselves as guests who haven’t a right to invite others but then that’s not how ethnic conflict works. This man got into the US on a green card lottery by the way.

    The immigrant veto: Once an immigrant from a non-North Western European country enters a North Western European country or offshoot, the natives lose control of immigration policy. It can stay the same or expand but never contract. The native perspective becomes illegitimate.

    Agree here.

    True immigration means moving yourself and leaving your co-ethnics behind. Picking a nice place and demographically swamping it equates to an invasion.

    Maybe this rising star Kenyan could go back and sing the praises of Kenya taking in more refugees and migrants in the name of diversity and inclusion. Let me quote Wiki as to the benefits of such in Kenya:

    In part due to the ethnic and geographic diversity of Kenyan politics, no singular narrative can explain the reaction of opposition supporters to the announcement of Kibaki’s swearing-in, which was done on December 30, 2007 in the evening. In addition to staging several non-violent protests, opposition supporters went on a violent rampage killing Kikuyus. Raila Odinga encouraged supporters to engage in mass protests which he announced on local television and radio stations, most noticeably in Mombasa, Eldoret, Kericho, Kisumu, Nakuru and parts of Nairobi. Police shot hundreds of violent demonstrators, including a few in front of TV news cameras, causing more violence.[9][10]

    Targeted ethnic violence (as opposed to violent protests) escalated and at first was directed mainly against Kikuyu people—the community of which Kibaki is a member—living outside their traditional settlement areas, especially in the Rift Valley Province.[11] The violence started with the murder of over 50 unarmed Kikuyu women and children, some as young as a month old, by locking them in a church and burning them alive in Kiambaa village near Eldoret, on New Year’s Day. Tensions in the Rift Valley have caused violence in several previous Kenyan elections, most notably in the 1992 Kenyan Elections. This prompted the Kikuyu to start defending themselves which forced the Luos and Kalenjins to stop the killings of the Kikuyus.

    All good, man; all good.

  39. Several hundred thousand years ago, we were descended from ape-like creatures, therefore we should act like ape-like creatures now!

  40. Anti-immigrant talk is ugly rhetoric and hate … and very, very dangerous.

    Isn’t this the kind of language that would in normal circumstances inspire laughter and ridicule?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    Anti-immigrant talk is ugly rhetoric and hate … and very, very dangerous.
     
    Even more dangerous, ugly, and heteful than pr0-immigrant talk?

    Run an experiement. Try living in an area of recent and heavy internal or external immigration for a year, and (if you live through the experience) think about the talk (apparently by people who hate you) that endangered your life through rhetoric, rhetoric that formerly seemed nice but by now will seem ugly.

    For the full experience, take your kids along and watch them deteriorate. Wait, don't do that -- I wouldn't want to hurt the kids and it's too much to ask of you .

    Counterinsurgency
  41. Liberal Supremacy

    Critics denounced the phrasing as an echo of far-right rhetoric that identifies Europe as white and Christian, and migration from the Middle East and Africa as a threat to that identity.

    It is the outright arrogance of liberals to demand that they and only they own the culture.

    No, they are traitors by nature.

  42. @Altai
    Another example of immigrant narcissism I've posted before but always makes me laugh.

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan. (But also sometimes Korea and China)

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*
     
    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    Those devoted to the Open Society are unwilling to let anyone have a closed society.

    The whole language is paternalistic, which would be condemned if it was a white missionary converting uncontacted tribes.

  43. @miss marple
    Truly it gets down to who-wants-it-more with the answer being... They do. Most whites would prefer being cool or hip to existing. Though what frightens me most is being in the remnant of a much vilified former majority. Retribution is as certain as night follows day. I'm also certain these magnanimous Europeans believe they can trust in the goodness of their immigrant brethren once they become the majority so aren't considering the possibility of this not being the case.

    Retribution is as certain as night follows day

    Retribution for what? Sounds like a lame excuse to justify the equivalent of dingoes eating a baby.

    Note here, again, that immigration is sold as a social good but delivered as an extermination.

  44. @Anonymous

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally
     
    In Canada, it's not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada's national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country's social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor
     
    Immigrant pushback:

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1170331488044191744

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1172329509468524545

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. - Avnish Nanda, Everyone's Canada
     
    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht's piece as a "call to hatred".

    "Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate's greatest fuel," Govender tweeted. "Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!".
     
    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.
     
    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     

    They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.

    When I hear an immigrant defending Eurocentrism, converting to either Anglicanism or Catholicism; and identifying primarily as either Anglo or Quebcois to the detriment of their ancestral culture.

    Maybe I might be inclined to believe them.

    But no, they identify with Liberalism for you, ethnocentrism for me.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Exactly. Have a look at the current leader of the New Democratic Party*, our social democratic party. He's a traditionalist Sikh himself but he's militantly in favour of the whole liberal-libertine, identity politics agenda for the rest of us.

    * https://www.ndp.ca/
  45. @BenKenobi

    “I don’t like the idea that the European way of life is opposed to migration. Accepting those that come from far away is part of the European way of life,” Mr. Juncker told Euronews in an interview.
     
    Will no one rid us of this troublesome globalist?

    The short answer is no one can.

    He was selected for the job by thoroughly undemocratic means.

  46. @Altai
    Another example of immigrant narcissism I've posted before but always makes me laugh.

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan. (But also sometimes Korea and China)

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*
     
    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    Good point. We are told “diversity is our strength blah blah blah” while on the ground, things get worse overall from mass immigration compared to what could have been with the alternative. But we can’t un-explode the bomb, and the advocates of this destruction are paying no compensation.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    That guy wants to bang Japanese girls. That’s it. Full stop. Everything that lying pos says is in pursuit of that goal.
    , @Counterinsurgency

    Good point. We are told “diversity is our strength blah blah blah” while on the ground, things get worse overall from mass immigration compared to what could have been with the alternative. But we can’t un-explode the bomb, and the advocates of this destruction are paying no compensation.
     
    I agree with your general assertion. The problem is older than you might think and there is no reassembling Humpty Dumpty.

    The problem in its current form dates back to the end of WW II. Western governments had established wartime control over their population, and postwar government gradually used it to achieve a position of absolute supremacy. Dismantling of US society started right after the war and has continued. As we found out after Trump's election, the "conservatives" hated US base population just as much as the Left did.

    This has always been my experience with the conservatives: They too are mind over matter. They don't mind, you don't matter.

    The immigration assault isn't that much difference in kind than the importation of massive Black settlements to Northern cities during WW II, and the destabilization of these communities after WW II, peaking (perhaps) under LBJ's Great Society with destruction of the Black family and no action (except giving the rebelling Black settlements substantial "rewards" for their rebellion[1]) taken after the 1968 riots. I'm saying that the Left in US Federal government deliberately used Black internal immigration to destabilize US society. I'm also saying that the conservatives of the time saw nothing wrong with this, or at least not enough wrong to mention.

    So the current situation is simply a continuation of other assaults, essentially a strategy of "reinforcing success". It's running into the problems of a successful Cloward-Piven assault [2] in that it assumes a society that has just been beggared by over-taxation re-organizing itself to help those people who had beggared it.

    The Left wing (including the Jewish establishment) has never been very good in strategy. Essentially, it believes in raising discontent over immiseration that, once the Left seizes government, is caused by the Left. This strategy succeeds until it fails catastrophically.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] which rewards -- making the independent Black middle class into a Black middle income class with legally mandated patronage jobs, breaking up the Black family, ending Black schools, turned out to be a poison pill as effective as the one given the Whites.
    2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
  47. Besides the faux outrage, the European Convention on Human Rights forbids such ‘discrimination’.

    Article 14:

    Prohibition of discrimination

    The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.

  48. @Anonymous

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally
     
    In Canada, it's not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada's national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country's social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor
     
    Immigrant pushback:

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1170331488044191744

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1172329509468524545

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. - Avnish Nanda, Everyone's Canada
     
    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht's piece as a "call to hatred".

    "Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate's greatest fuel," Govender tweeted. "Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!".
     
    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.
     
    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     

    Women turning against the current order is a fairly old phenomenon.

    When the current order breaks down (and not before), the same women will be hiding behind men, who won’t offer them good terms but will protect them. Happens every time the breakdown isn’t sever enough to kill everybody.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Women turning against the current order is a fairly old phenomenon.
     
    I don't understand this comment. The excerpts in the comment you are replying to seem to evidence women paying obeisance to the current order.

    Aside from that, what examples can you offer of women turning against the current order? Isn't the more typical phenomenon that women align themselves with power?
  49. @Moses
    This kind of talk is like dissolving a cell membrane that separates the inside/outside of the cell and governs what may enter.

    Without an effective cell membrane the cell dissolves and dies.

    Maybe that’s the point here?

    Guarantee these EU functionaries live nowhere near nonWhites.

    Let me see, ah, “Transfection.”

    Transfection is the process of deliberately introducing naked or purified nucleic acids into eukaryotic cells.[1][2] It may also refer to other methods and cell types, although other terms are often preferred: “transformation” is typically used to describe non-viral DNA transfer in bacteria and non-animal eukaryotic cells, including plant cells. In animal cells, transfection is the preferred term as transformation is also used to refer to progression to a cancerous state (carcinogenesis) in these cells. Transduction is often used to describe virus-mediated gene transfer into eukaryotic cells.[2][3]

    The word transfection is a portmanteau of trans- and infection. Genetic material (such as supercoiled plasmid DNA or siRNA constructs), or even proteins such as antibodies, may be transfected.

    Transfection of animal cells typically involves opening transient pores or “holes” in the cell membrane to allow the uptake of material. Transfection can be carried out using calcium phosphate (i.e. tricalcium phosphate), by electroporation, by cell squeezing or by mixing a cationic lipid with the material to produce liposomes that fuse with the cell membrane and deposit their cargo inside.

    Transfection can result in unexpected morphologies and abnormalities in target cells.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfection

  50. @Dieter Kief
    The European way of life was meant as plainly that - until a few years ago. Then it became problematic, because of immigration. Now immigration is the reason, to use the phrase European way of life to protect immigration. The idea behind this move is simple: Let immigration melt into the expression European way of life and you have won one more fight in the Gramsci-tradition of the conquest of the political discourse and therewith of the whole public sphere and policies.

    This linguistic fight of the majority in the EU parliament works as a strategy to calm down the public discourse because the most important media outlets in central Europe follow this path.

    The real-world problem remains though, that in Austria for example, the most (!) of the severe crimes like murder and rape, etc. are already committed by immigrants/migrants (this is one of the true wonders in the European public sphere these days: That Austria did indeed publish these numbers!).

    The real-world problem remains though, that in Austria for example, the most (!) of the severe crimes like murder and rape, etc. are already committed by immigrants/migrants (this is one of the true wonders in the European public sphere these days: That Austria did indeed publish these numbers!).

    The real-world problem from the standpoint of EU governments is that they would fall tomorrow without the support of the foreigners they have imported and continue to feed, house, and clothe. In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election. Given the choice between winning the next election and having their descendants lose the country, they don’t even see a choice. “What, after all, has posterity ever done for us?”

    If you want this to change, you will have to force the change. Ordinarily, this means abandoning representative government.

    Here’s a bit of history: Oliver Cromwell’s side deposed the king and tried to elect a responsible and representative parliament. His last attempt at that before becoming Protector (dictator in function) was the Barebone Parliament [1], also called the “Mad Parliament”. Take a look at reference [1] and you can see why a step to absolute rule was Cromwell’s only remaining move. You might see it again.
    The step to absolute rule was a variant on Parkinson’s Injelititis [2] cure: Convert everything that you can to money, fire everybody, and use the money to re-start with completely new name, personnel, and physical plant. When everything is gone — plant is worn out, buildnings too big and obsolete, personnel hopelessly convinced that intrigue is their only salvation [3], then Parkinson’s cure is the only one left.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barebone%27s_Parliament

    2] https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-n6mqYo6d8uKz06xm/Parkinson-s-Law_djvu.txt
    then search for symbol string:
    Injelititis, or Palsied Paralysis

    3] “In a closed society where everybody’s guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity.”
    Hunter S. Thompson , Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (novel) , Part I, 9 (1971)

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election.
     
    The idea of importing immigrants to win elections is nonsense. It doesn't work. Tony Blair supposedly had a cunning plan to ensure that Labour would remain in government forever by importing immigrants. Labour has lost the last three elections.

    The parties of the Left (or the parties calling themselves Left) are in disarray. In Australia (where immigrant numbers are much higher than in the U.S. or Britain) they have managed to win just two of the last nine elections.

    There are reasons that all major parties in all western nations are pro-immigration. But winning elections is not one of them.
    , @Dieter Kief
    Your references are now Thompson and Parkinson. A world first, maybe. nobody could accuse you of being not original.
    Did you have a look at my remarks to your Adorno-reference, in which you stated that the Authoritarian personality survey of the New School was a landmark in western thinking?
    , @Anonymous

    The real-world problem from the standpoint of EU governments is that they would fall tomorrow without the support of the foreigners they have imported and continue to feed, house, and clothe.
     
    Why so? Please explain your reasoning in support of this conjecture.
  51. @Cagey Beast
    I'm glad you're letting our American friends here know about this Vancouver Sun controversy.

    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:
    [....]
    — jennifer evans

    Our university system, Hollywood and television have done a fantastic job turning our Jennifers against us. All that passion women have for enforcing social norms and advocating for the weak now goes into enforcing globalism in every nook and cranny of society.

    Yesterday I saw this on the Vancouver Sun opinion piece:

    https://twitter.com/CANADALAND/status/1172588148272091136

    When I check out the author's Twitter account (@JagdeeshMann) I see he looks like the kind of South Asian guy who's usually too busy making money with his mobile phone, real estate and knock-off cologne businesses to bother with politics. I guess he'll make an exception when a good old fashioned shakedown operation is on offer. To paraphrase Yeats:

    The Whites lack all conviction, while the Desis
    Are full of passionate pushiness.

    The Whites lack all conviction, while the Desis
    Are full of passionate pushiness.

    Ah, but compare the cultural vitality of the new Asian British Columbians compared to the tenements they’ve replaced:

  52. For example, it’s widely said today in the U.S. that Prohibition was a mistake.

    “Was”? Prohibition will never be truly dead until its spawn, the ATF, is closed down.

    That’s because nobody takes it all that personally.

    Ask that GOA member down the block.

  53. … identifies Europe as white and Christian, and migration from the Middle East and Africa as a threat to that identity.

    It is, and it is.

  54. @byrresheim
    Actually, Polish xenophobia, or rather hatred for the German minority, was one of many causes for conflict.

    History has been thoroughly cleansed.

    Probably not helped by including part of Germany (plus Germans) in the 1919 version of Poland. What could possibly have gone wrong?

  55. @miss marple
    Truly it gets down to who-wants-it-more with the answer being... They do. Most whites would prefer being cool or hip to existing. Though what frightens me most is being in the remnant of a much vilified former majority. Retribution is as certain as night follows day. I'm also certain these magnanimous Europeans believe they can trust in the goodness of their immigrant brethren once they become the majority so aren't considering the possibility of this not being the case.

    Most whites would prefer being cool or hip to existing.

    Most Whites, and people for that matter, prefer to be on the winning side. They will sit on the fence until they see one side or the other turning the tide. Then they will migrate to that side.

    I don’t doubt for a minute that if our side were the one wielding the whip hand and was in control of the media, academia, tech, etc., etc., Whites would be coming out of the woodwork to denounce MASS immigration and the threat it poses.

    In fact it would probably be easier to get Whites to come out in favor of our positions on immigration because deep down it is actually in their self interest. Currently Whites walk on egg shells to toe the line of the current regime because it is such an unnatural position to take. Yet they do it because being on winning side is also instinctive.

    It doesn’t help that the leadership on our supposed side has been co-opted by people who are diametrically opposed to our views. Thus we’ve been in full retreat for years because our so called leaders don’t really want our side to win.

    Until we begin to take firm positions and hold them, this trend will continue. I believe we have more than enough people on our side with the collective economic clout to effect change. Remember, studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized, and what little organization does appear from time to time is easily derailed by outside elements jumping in to snuff it out.

    • Replies: @216

    In fact it would probably be easier to get Whites to come out in favor of our positions on immigration because deep down it is actually in their self interest.
     
    The nationalist cause is not a free lunch, both in the here and now, and should we ever win.

    The pensions ponzi would have to be unwound, vast sectors of the economy would have to adjust to the loss of cheap labor, and the Third World would have to ponder the loss of remittance.

    The Brexit is a modest response compared to what is needed, and look how much backlash it got.

    Until we begin to take firm positions and hold them, this trend will continue. I believe we have more than enough people on our side with the collective economic clout to effect change. Remember, studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized, and what little organization does appear from time to time is easily derailed by outside elements jumping in to snuff it out.
     
    The Unz Credit Union would be a good start.
    , @L Woods
    Yes, the average person is a craven, venal opportunist. Cattle on two legs. Why therefore all the concern about their well-being? It's a lesson I learned far too late: save yourself. Don't stick your neck out for people that would leap at the opportunity to cut it off for the 30 second dopamine rush that comes with doing a good deed for Master. I can't imagine a less worthy hill to die on than that of "white America." I post here out of habit, but honestly: give it up. Live your life, and die in peace. Whatever it is you think you're doing, it isn't worth it.
    , @dfordoom

    studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized
     
    If you're disorganised and you lack leadership you can have 95% of the population on your side and you'll still lose.

    If you have 5% of the population on your side and you're disorganised and you lack leadership then you're irrelevant.
  56. @Anonymous

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally
     
    In Canada, it's not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada's national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country's social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor
     
    Immigrant pushback:

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1170331488044191744

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1172329509468524545

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. - Avnish Nanda, Everyone's Canada
     
    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht's piece as a "call to hatred".

    "Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate's greatest fuel," Govender tweeted. "Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!".
     
    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.
     
    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    In the newspeak dictionary, that is called DUCKSPEAK

    …What was required, above all for political purposes, was short clipped words of unmistakable meaning which could be uttered rapidly and which roused the minimum of echoes in the speaker’s mind. The words of the B vocabulary even gained in force from the fact that nearly all of them were very much alike. Almost invariably these words — goodthink, Minipax, prolefeed, sexcrime, joycamp, Ingsoc, bellyfeel, thinkpol, and countless others — were words of two or three syllables, with the stress distributed equally between the first syllable and the last. The use of them encouraged a gabbling style of speech, at once staccato and monotonous. And this was exactly what was aimed at. The intention was to make speech, and especially speech on any subject not ideologically neutral, as nearly as possible independent of consciousness. For the purposes of everyday life it was no doubt necessary, or sometimes necessary, to reflect before speaking, but a Party member called upon to make a political or ethical judgement should be able to spray forth the correct opinions as automatically as a machine gun spraying forth bullets. His training fitted him to do this, the language gave him an almost foolproof instrument, and the texture of the words, with their harsh sound and a certain wilful ugliness which was in accord with the spirit of Ingsoc, assisted the process still further.

    I will laugh when Canada becomes Yougoslavia.

  57. @Anonymous
    The whole "Europe was made with immigration" narrative is just the Americanization of Europe.

    The current crop of Atlanticist i.e. Americanized political classes in Europe that were fostered in the postwar US dominated European order need to die and be replaced, and Europe needs something like the Great Firewall to block off intellectual and cultural influence from the US, like this immigrationist ideology, rap music, Hollywood, etc.

    Agreed.

  58. @Anonymous

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally
     
    In Canada, it's not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada's national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country's social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor
     
    Immigrant pushback:

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1170331488044191744

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1172329509468524545

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. - Avnish Nanda, Everyone's Canada
     
    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht's piece as a "call to hatred".

    "Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate's greatest fuel," Govender tweeted. "Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!".
     
    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.
     
    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     

    Canada seems farther gone than even the U.S. The Canadian penchant for being polite and nice is probably a big contributor.

    PC insidiously feeds on niceness. After all, if you don’t have anything nice to say about other people, you are not supposed to say anything.

    Since you can’t say “no” to immigration without criticizing immigrants then by definition you are not a “nice” and “polite” person. So your opinions must be officially cancelled even if they are objectively correct.

    This is especially a problem as conformist women are now the predominant element in all culture war debates.

    Death by politeness will be the end of the West.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    The "Canadian" cries out in pain as he is nice to you.
    , @guest
    Don't confuse politeness for P.C. or weakness. Though it does have its vulnerabilities, so do bellicosity, subterfuge, and all manner of interpersonal interaction.

    Imagine, I dunno, Victorian manners preventing the British from running their empire. I can't. Because they could reconcile tipping hats to "m'ladies" and splitting the skulls of filthy wogs no problem.

    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Nah, things are frankly just too good for whites right now.

    Yeah, we're getting swamped but a majority of whites live in all, or mostly white areas. Basically, the booming immigrant population lives in NEWLY constructed subdivisions, meaning that there is not always ethnic displacement happening on the neighborhood level.

    Most whites are living well, and are escaping the diversity for now. Of course, lots aren't, but they are a small portion of the overall total.

    Nobody will do or risk anything with such plentiful conditions, right now. But things are changing. Mainly in the attitudes of non whites (especially 2nd generation). They seem to have decided they hate whitey in the past year. And, eventually the ethnic displacement will come to a white area near you.

    Everybody thinks there is too much immigration, but nobody says anything.

    The country is already lost, look at Molyneux immigration rate chart he posted. Ontario is double California.
  59. @Hypnotoad666
    Canada seems farther gone than even the U.S. The Canadian penchant for being polite and nice is probably a big contributor.

    PC insidiously feeds on niceness. After all, if you don't have anything nice to say about other people, you are not supposed to say anything.

    Since you can't say "no" to immigration without criticizing immigrants then by definition you are not a "nice" and "polite" person. So your opinions must be officially cancelled even if they are objectively correct.

    This is especially a problem as conformist women are now the predominant element in all culture war debates.

    Death by politeness will be the end of the West.

    The “Canadian” cries out in pain as he is nice to you.

  60. White women will always back mass third world immigration. Genocide of beta males is a win for them.

    After all, civilization is just something that happens. It doesn’t need White beta males . If it did women figure, they’d get tingles for betas. And they don’t so there.

    The West was doomed the moment women got the vote.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    White women will always back mass third world immigration. Genocide of beta males is a win for them.
     
    Yeah. That's why White women objected to the Naturalization Act of 1790 and all of its successors.

    The West was doomed the moment women got the vote.
     
    The West was doomed the moment WW1 kicked off.
    , @Lagertha
    you are kinda' off the whiskey there.
    , @Lagertha
    Sometimes, you need to STFU. And, most times you so need to f*ck! Why is it so hard to fuck someone where you live? Like, what the fuck, after, fucking 5+ years of reading you, a woman who loves to, atleast, love the F word. Could you please go out and come back to us on iSteve to say you fucked your brains out - we don't care about whoever you fucked.

    OK, I just missiled myself out of this Stevie wonderland...loved yah all!

  61. @istevefan

    Most whites would prefer being cool or hip to existing.
     
    Most Whites, and people for that matter, prefer to be on the winning side. They will sit on the fence until they see one side or the other turning the tide. Then they will migrate to that side.

    I don't doubt for a minute that if our side were the one wielding the whip hand and was in control of the media, academia, tech, etc., etc., Whites would be coming out of the woodwork to denounce MASS immigration and the threat it poses.

    In fact it would probably be easier to get Whites to come out in favor of our positions on immigration because deep down it is actually in their self interest. Currently Whites walk on egg shells to toe the line of the current regime because it is such an unnatural position to take. Yet they do it because being on winning side is also instinctive.

    It doesn't help that the leadership on our supposed side has been co-opted by people who are diametrically opposed to our views. Thus we've been in full retreat for years because our so called leaders don't really want our side to win.

    Until we begin to take firm positions and hold them, this trend will continue. I believe we have more than enough people on our side with the collective economic clout to effect change. Remember, studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized, and what little organization does appear from time to time is easily derailed by outside elements jumping in to snuff it out.

    In fact it would probably be easier to get Whites to come out in favor of our positions on immigration because deep down it is actually in their self interest.

    The nationalist cause is not a free lunch, both in the here and now, and should we ever win.

    The pensions ponzi would have to be unwound, vast sectors of the economy would have to adjust to the loss of cheap labor, and the Third World would have to ponder the loss of remittance.

    The Brexit is a modest response compared to what is needed, and look how much backlash it got.

    Until we begin to take firm positions and hold them, this trend will continue. I believe we have more than enough people on our side with the collective economic clout to effect change. Remember, studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized, and what little organization does appear from time to time is easily derailed by outside elements jumping in to snuff it out.

    The Unz Credit Union would be a good start.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    All the unwinding, loss of remittance, end of US interference, will come when the US Dollar loses is devalued. Nobody has to do anything except fail for that to happen. Fortunately, people and organizations are very good at filing.

    Zerohedge and the Bitcoin sites say that gold and Bitcoin (respectively) will replace the US Dollar. You might take a look at the time vs. price of gold charts and the time vs price of Bitcoin charts, which tend to support the contention that large numbers of buyers are looking for an alternative to the US Dollar. Apparently some pepole are taking Bitcoin as a store of value, which is astonishing considering its volatility.

    Obviously neither Bitcoin nor gold can replace the US Dollar and the vast amounts of capital (as organization and equipment) used to process US Dollar transactions. The point is that there there is real (if unrealistic) support for having some other monetary system in place should the US Dollar become unusable, and some attempts at building substitutes [1].

    So your impossible dream may not be impossible after all. Should it arrive, we'll all wish it _were_ impossible, but sic friat crustulum.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] I skip over the attempts at bilateral common currency trading between, say, Russia and China.
  62. Imagine Superman landed in Belgium or somesuch, and dedicated himself to Truth, Justice, and the European Way. Would he be racist? Ah, but he’s an alien. Maybe he has immunity. Though he does look white.

    I enjoy how they immediately know the European Way implies whiteness and Christianity (for starters.) They are upset by this implication, because those things they’d like to destroy.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    The CW network appears to be married to diversity (DC Comics).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGztk_ulb9I
  63. @istevefan

    Most whites would prefer being cool or hip to existing.
     
    Most Whites, and people for that matter, prefer to be on the winning side. They will sit on the fence until they see one side or the other turning the tide. Then they will migrate to that side.

    I don't doubt for a minute that if our side were the one wielding the whip hand and was in control of the media, academia, tech, etc., etc., Whites would be coming out of the woodwork to denounce MASS immigration and the threat it poses.

    In fact it would probably be easier to get Whites to come out in favor of our positions on immigration because deep down it is actually in their self interest. Currently Whites walk on egg shells to toe the line of the current regime because it is such an unnatural position to take. Yet they do it because being on winning side is also instinctive.

    It doesn't help that the leadership on our supposed side has been co-opted by people who are diametrically opposed to our views. Thus we've been in full retreat for years because our so called leaders don't really want our side to win.

    Until we begin to take firm positions and hold them, this trend will continue. I believe we have more than enough people on our side with the collective economic clout to effect change. Remember, studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized, and what little organization does appear from time to time is easily derailed by outside elements jumping in to snuff it out.

    Yes, the average person is a craven, venal opportunist. Cattle on two legs. Why therefore all the concern about their well-being? It’s a lesson I learned far too late: save yourself. Don’t stick your neck out for people that would leap at the opportunity to cut it off for the 30 second dopamine rush that comes with doing a good deed for Master. I can’t imagine a less worthy hill to die on than that of “white America.” I post here out of habit, but honestly: give it up. Live your life, and die in peace. Whatever it is you think you’re doing, it isn’t worth it.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    You talk like a fag and your shit’s all retarded.

    Call the Soylent Foundation and donate your body to feed hungry Morlocks.
    , @Counterinsurgency

    I can’t imagine a less worthy hill to die on than that of “white America.” I post here out of habit, but honestly: give it up. Live your life, and die in peace. Whatever it is you think you’re doing, it isn’t worth it.
     
    That particular strategy failed with Obama. Try it and your neighborhood will be overrun by people who don't like you, you wont be able to move because your house is devalued, and you'll be passed over for promotion and eventually retention because your organization does both on skin color.

    Counterinsurgency
  64. @Hypnotoad666
    Canada seems farther gone than even the U.S. The Canadian penchant for being polite and nice is probably a big contributor.

    PC insidiously feeds on niceness. After all, if you don't have anything nice to say about other people, you are not supposed to say anything.

    Since you can't say "no" to immigration without criticizing immigrants then by definition you are not a "nice" and "polite" person. So your opinions must be officially cancelled even if they are objectively correct.

    This is especially a problem as conformist women are now the predominant element in all culture war debates.

    Death by politeness will be the end of the West.

    Don’t confuse politeness for P.C. or weakness. Though it does have its vulnerabilities, so do bellicosity, subterfuge, and all manner of interpersonal interaction.

    Imagine, I dunno, Victorian manners preventing the British from running their empire. I can’t. Because they could reconcile tipping hats to “m’ladies” and splitting the skulls of filthy wogs no problem.

  65. It’s important to note how you are never supposed to learn anything from past mistakes of immigration policy. For example, it’s widely said today in the U.S. that Prohibition was a mistake. That’s because nobody takes it all that personally. On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally if anyone dare points out past mistakes in immigration policy. The lesson I take from this is to be extremely cautious about immigration, but the conventional wisdom seems to be that we must put the pedal to the metal on immigration just to PROVE that nobody has any doubts whatsoever about past immigrants.

    This.

    And the reverse of the conventional wisdom is true. The only immigrants who can even plausibly be acceptable are ones who immediately take to the nation’s norms and culture and see immigration as a native should “what is good for our existing people and nation”.

    If a person or group of people is arging for further immigration or squawking “diversity is our strength!” or “nation of immigrants” then as a matter of cold hard logic taking in those people was a mistake:

    If taking in n, requires taking n+1 then it’s destruction by induction.

    There’s a clear medical analog to this–cancer.

    If someone squawks “nation of immigrants” they are a cancer cell. Taking in them or their ancestors was a mistake. And what’s needing now is excision.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  66. What is coming into European Union law without any opposition (or much mass media discussion) is a new category of “hate speech” called (this is the actual term they used in a press conference) “migration speech.” Talking about migration outside the narrative dictated by the central government will legally be the same thing as Hitlerism. If you quote a statistic you will be looked at by police for possibly inciting race hate. So these are unbalanced Bolsheviki allowed to he super-hysterical about non-threats, and allowed to be oblivious to any semblence of democratic legitimacy.

  67. It’s important to note how you are never supposed to learn anything from past mistakes of immigration policy.

    People are understandably terrified of learning from the mistakes of mass exotic immigration because they can sense there’s no going back. They cling to the belief that this can all work out as long as the White naysayers are ruthlessly silenced. That’s another characteristic of a pyramid scheme.

    Our immigration policies here in the Western Bloc were part of an infinitely more vast ponzi scheme economic model that came together circa 1971:

    WTF Happened in 1971?
    https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

    The pyramid scheme has become the western economy. The falsified map has become the territory, in a sense. If only Jorge Luis Borges and the Strugatsky brothers were here to witness this.

  68. “I don’t like the idea that the European way of life is opposed to migration. Accepting those that come from far away is part of the European way of life,” Mr. Juncker told Euronews in an interview.

    Andrew Stroehlein, European media director for Human Rights Watch, said, “Putting migration under a portfolio named ‘protecting our European way of life’ is another example of just how much mainstream politicians in Europe are adopting the framing of the far right.”

    I’ve said it many times before but i don’t think we can win without saying “separation”.

    More specifically i think nationalists can not win unless we counter these worms by make the *moral* claim that people have the *right* to live their historic nation.

    That if some people want to live in a global cosmopolitan pig pile, that’s fine. And they can and should be accomodated in a cosmo nation.

    But a Hungarian has a *right* to live with other Hungarians and the historic Hungarian nation. A French man or woman has a *right* to live with other French in France. A German, a Sweden, an Englishman, a Spainard, a Dane, a Pole, etc. etc. etc. These peoples and cultures are precious and have a right to survive. And every person has a right to live in the nation they were born into.

    The “global cosmopolitans” and Sorositas are attacking us, wrapping themselves in a shroud of “human rights” virtue signalling. And that has an effect with some normies, especially normie women. At minimum it silences them, “how can you dare to …”.

    We need to fire back with the truth of what and whose rights are actually being violated–and not just violated now, but destroyed for all time, for all generations to come.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    I’ve said it many times before but i don’t think we can win without saying “separation”.
     
    And I don't think we can win without saying "White." Notice that using nonracial terminology ("our European way of life") fools noone and accomplishes nothing.

    The Europeans seem to think they can use their national ethnicities as a basis for their identity, but that won't work. It's far too easy to say that anyone who likes cafe au lait with their croissants is French and anyone who plays cricket is British.

    , @Corvinus
    "But a Hungarian has a *right* to live with other Hungarians and the historic Hungarian nation. A French man or woman has a *right* to live with other French in France. A German, a Sweden, an Englishman, a Spainard, a Dane, a Pole, etc. etc. etc. These peoples and cultures are precious and have a right to survive. And every person has a right to live in the nation they were born into."

    Except the issue here is that America is a mutt nation. And America does not mean exclusively or primarily "white".
  69. @216

    They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     
    When I hear an immigrant defending Eurocentrism, converting to either Anglicanism or Catholicism; and identifying primarily as either Anglo or Quebcois to the detriment of their ancestral culture.

    Maybe I might be inclined to believe them.

    But no, they identify with Liberalism for you, ethnocentrism for me.

    Exactly. Have a look at the current leader of the New Democratic Party*, our social democratic party. He’s a traditionalist Sikh himself but he’s militantly in favour of the whole liberal-libertine, identity politics agenda for the rest of us.

    * https://www.ndp.ca/

  70. @byrresheim
    Actually, Polish xenophobia, or rather hatred for the German minority, was one of many causes for conflict.

    History has been thoroughly cleansed.

    There was a similar earlier issue with Italian Dalmatia. An excellent /k/ thread described the war hero poet-colonel who led the brief independence of an Adriatic city-state. It totally should be a movie and it was definitely influential at the time.
    http://boards.4channel.org/k/thread/42584604

  71. @Altai
    Another example of immigrant narcissism I've posted before but always makes me laugh.

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan. (But also sometimes Korea and China)

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*
     
    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    Here’s the latest from the shifty-eyed, creep Krugman…

  72. “.,, puzzlement turned to outrage.

    “Critics denounced the phrasing…

    “The outrage has only grown…

    “Normalizing their ugly rhetoric is a dangerous step…

    “…The hostility toward the title came as a surprise to Ms. von der Leyen”

    The progressive Left has mastered the tantrum, which in my years of raising children was called a “meltdown”.

    I had one and only one response to the meltdown as a tactic – “Do you need to take a time-out?” I don’t negotiate with emotion terrorists.

    This is how we must treat these Leftists. My two cents.

  73. @AnotherDad

    “I don’t like the idea that the European way of life is opposed to migration. Accepting those that come from far away is part of the European way of life,” Mr. Juncker told Euronews in an interview.

    Andrew Stroehlein, European media director for Human Rights Watch, said, “Putting migration under a portfolio named ‘protecting our European way of life’ is another example of just how much mainstream politicians in Europe are adopting the framing of the far right.”
     

    I've said it many times before but i don't think we can win without saying "separation".

    More specifically i think nationalists can not win unless we counter these worms by make the *moral* claim that people have the *right* to live their historic nation.

    That if some people want to live in a global cosmopolitan pig pile, that's fine. And they can and should be accomodated in a cosmo nation.

    But a Hungarian has a *right* to live with other Hungarians and the historic Hungarian nation. A French man or woman has a *right* to live with other French in France. A German, a Sweden, an Englishman, a Spainard, a Dane, a Pole, etc. etc. etc. These peoples and cultures are precious and have a right to survive. And every person has a right to live in the nation they were born into.

    The "global cosmopolitans" and Sorositas are attacking us, wrapping themselves in a shroud of "human rights" virtue signalling. And that has an effect with some normies, especially normie women. At minimum it silences them, "how can you dare to ...".

    We need to fire back with the truth of what and whose rights are actually being violated--and not just violated now, but destroyed for all time, for all generations to come.

    I’ve said it many times before but i don’t think we can win without saying “separation”.

    And I don’t think we can win without saying “White.” Notice that using nonracial terminology (“our European way of life”) fools noone and accomplishes nothing.

    The Europeans seem to think they can use their national ethnicities as a basis for their identity, but that won’t work. It’s far too easy to say that anyone who likes cafe au lait with their croissants is French and anyone who plays cricket is British.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad


    I’ve said it many times before but i don’t think we can win without saying “separation”.
     
    And I don’t think we can win without saying “White.” Notice that using nonracial terminology (“our European way of life”) fools noone and accomplishes nothing.

    The Europeans seem to think they can use their national ethnicities as a basis for their identity, but that won’t work. It’s far too easy to say that anyone who likes cafe au lait with their croissants is French and anyone who plays cricket is British.
     
    Rosie. I'm not afraid to say "white" ... "White people should continue to exist in their nations." There, said it.

    However, i'm interesting in actually winning. To win, we must win the propaganda war, basically a propaganda war in white people's heads.

    Running around saying "white" doesn't win. What can actually win is a claim that has emotional appeal and impact. A claim that appeals to universalism and taps the language of human rights and the language of environmentalism and preservationism can win.

    The world's peoples are not a blob but have their unique races, ethnicities, cultures, nations--special and irreplaceable. These are being destroyed by immigration and globo-homogenizationism.
    And people have a *right* to live in the unique nation they were born in, according to their own culture, with its own norms, values, traditions and cultures.

    That sort of message can win. It is not directly "racist". (Not that it won't get called that.) It applies equally to Japanese or Jews or Ethiopians. It taps a bunch of values--identity, diversity, preservation, "human rights"--that are straight out of the liberal songbook. In fact, it is actually an ideology that is considerably more in tune with those values, than the globalist program with is actually destructive.

    If the goal here is to save the West, save whites people--their race and culture--that making this argument in terms of unique peoples, cultures and those people's right to live in them and preserve them is the way to go. It's the argument that can win.
  74. @L Woods
    Yes, the average person is a craven, venal opportunist. Cattle on two legs. Why therefore all the concern about their well-being? It's a lesson I learned far too late: save yourself. Don't stick your neck out for people that would leap at the opportunity to cut it off for the 30 second dopamine rush that comes with doing a good deed for Master. I can't imagine a less worthy hill to die on than that of "white America." I post here out of habit, but honestly: give it up. Live your life, and die in peace. Whatever it is you think you're doing, it isn't worth it.

    You talk like a fag and your shit’s all retarded.

    Call the Soylent Foundation and donate your body to feed hungry Morlocks.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Ha. +1 for the reference(s)
  75. “It’s important to note how you are never supposed to learn anything from past mistakes of immigration policy. For example, it’s widely said today in the U.S. that Prohibition was a mistake.”

    Was it?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475

    “That’s because nobody takes it all that personally.”

    Nobody? That’s not accurate. I am certain we could drum up a couple of old codgers who would get all hot and bothered about having to relive their grand pappy getting pinched by the fuzz for making illegal swill and having their still confiscated. Besides, had you NOTICED, whether or not to ban alcohol remains a “spirited” debate.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/is-prohibition-a-good-idea-after-all/405028

    “In most of the country, a suitcase leaking liquor would be an annoyance, not a crime. But this is rural Alaska, which has had a complicated relationship with alcohol for much of the past 50 years. Violent crime is high here, much of it fueled by booze. Many Native Alaskan villages in the region have gone dry, but that doesn’t stop bootleggers from trying to bring in bottles of liquor, which may cost just $11 in Anchorage but can sell for hundreds in the Alaskan bush. Now, Bethel, the regional hub for 56 villages in western Alaska, is reconsidering its relationship with booze. It’s currently illegal to buy or sell alcohol in Bethel, though residents are allowed to import it from elsewhere. And many villages, including Chevak, have banned the sale and importation of alcohol. But some residents say that the prohibition on liquor sales has only made things worse.”

    https://www.alcohol.org/statistics-information/dry-towns

    “The idea is not limited to Arkansas or the South. A national CNN poll published as recently as January 2014 found that 20 percent of Americans felt that the very consumption of alcohol should be criminalized. Unsurprisingly, most of that 20 percent came from the South, where the thought of alcohol being “the most dangerous drug in America” is enough for entire communities to base their political lives around keeping it out of their borders. This, says Page, gives people the right to decide to restrict the flow of alcohol within their localities even if millions of others can drink without serious consequences.”

    “On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally if anyone dare points out past mistakes in immigration policy.”

    Was it a mistake that nativists sought to prevent Irish and German Catholics–whites!–in the 1850’s and 1860’s?
    Was it a mistake to ban the Chinese in 1882?
    Was it a mistake to have quotas for Southern and Eastern Europeans–whites!–and enable unfettered immigration from Canada and Mexico in the 1920’s?

    Yet, whites and non-whites overcame that adversity and became citizens by way of “magic dirt” and “paperwork”. Those immigrants who should have been removed or prevented from entering our shores bore progeny. Ironically, some of their great grandchildren today, with nativist attitudes in tow**, if facing their ancestors directly back then, would be demanding that “You have to go back”.

    **Newcomers refuse to learn English, they will never fully assimilate, they are dangerous to our representative democracy, they take our jobs away

    “The lesson I take from this is to be extremely cautious about immigration…”

    Cautious, yes. Limits or a moratorium? Certainly. Enforcement of our current laws? Definitively. Removal of non-white citizen immigrants like Muslims, Central Americans, and Kenyans? No. Removal of non-citizen immigrants? Debatable.

    “but the conventional wisdom seems to be that we must put the pedal to the metal on immigration just to PROVE that nobody has any doubts whatsoever about past immigrants.”

    According to Who/Whom?

  76. @AnotherDad

    “I don’t like the idea that the European way of life is opposed to migration. Accepting those that come from far away is part of the European way of life,” Mr. Juncker told Euronews in an interview.

    Andrew Stroehlein, European media director for Human Rights Watch, said, “Putting migration under a portfolio named ‘protecting our European way of life’ is another example of just how much mainstream politicians in Europe are adopting the framing of the far right.”
     

    I've said it many times before but i don't think we can win without saying "separation".

    More specifically i think nationalists can not win unless we counter these worms by make the *moral* claim that people have the *right* to live their historic nation.

    That if some people want to live in a global cosmopolitan pig pile, that's fine. And they can and should be accomodated in a cosmo nation.

    But a Hungarian has a *right* to live with other Hungarians and the historic Hungarian nation. A French man or woman has a *right* to live with other French in France. A German, a Sweden, an Englishman, a Spainard, a Dane, a Pole, etc. etc. etc. These peoples and cultures are precious and have a right to survive. And every person has a right to live in the nation they were born into.

    The "global cosmopolitans" and Sorositas are attacking us, wrapping themselves in a shroud of "human rights" virtue signalling. And that has an effect with some normies, especially normie women. At minimum it silences them, "how can you dare to ...".

    We need to fire back with the truth of what and whose rights are actually being violated--and not just violated now, but destroyed for all time, for all generations to come.

    “But a Hungarian has a *right* to live with other Hungarians and the historic Hungarian nation. A French man or woman has a *right* to live with other French in France. A German, a Sweden, an Englishman, a Spainard, a Dane, a Pole, etc. etc. etc. These peoples and cultures are precious and have a right to survive. And every person has a right to live in the nation they were born into.”

    Except the issue here is that America is a mutt nation. And America does not mean exclusively or primarily “white”.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Except the issue here is that America is a mutt nation. And America does not mean exclusively or primarily “white”.
     
    No actually the issue "here" is Europe, that's what Steve's post is about.

    And as to America we are a "mutt" nation, but it's not a random collection of "people of the world". America is an Anglo protestant settler nation--along with Canada, Australia, New Zealand. (That's why it's nice.) And the population historically was a largely Germano-Celtic white core--built of a mix of people (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Dutch, German) who are themselves mixes of Celts and the later Germanic wave--and a black (historically 10-20%) minority who had nothing to do with driving the joint, and an even smaller, essentially irrelevant native minority.

    It's basically been a mixed outpost of Western Christendom--that's it's culture, it's "civilization"--not a world "mutt nation". Now, of course, there are more people from all over. Some who adapt well to traditonal American culture, many who do not. Whether it's even a "nation" in any real sense anymore is unclear.
  77. @Cagey Beast
    I'm glad you're letting our American friends here know about this Vancouver Sun controversy.

    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:
    [....]
    — jennifer evans

    Our university system, Hollywood and television have done a fantastic job turning our Jennifers against us. All that passion women have for enforcing social norms and advocating for the weak now goes into enforcing globalism in every nook and cranny of society.

    Yesterday I saw this on the Vancouver Sun opinion piece:

    https://twitter.com/CANADALAND/status/1172588148272091136

    When I check out the author's Twitter account (@JagdeeshMann) I see he looks like the kind of South Asian guy who's usually too busy making money with his mobile phone, real estate and knock-off cologne businesses to bother with politics. I guess he'll make an exception when a good old fashioned shakedown operation is on offer. To paraphrase Yeats:

    The Whites lack all conviction, while the Desis
    Are full of passionate pushiness.

    Our university system, Hollywood and television have done a fantastic job turning our Jennifers against us. All that passion women have for enforcing social norms and advocating for the weak now goes into enforcing globalism in every nook and cranny of society.

    Cagey this deserves pride of place and a comment all its own.

    Everyone who cares about saving the West thoroughly grasp this problem.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Thanks.
    , @Anonymous

    All that passion women have
     
    Okay, but there seems to be just as much zeal from The Canadian Male (pause for effect) for this.
  78. @Hypnotoad666
    Canada seems farther gone than even the U.S. The Canadian penchant for being polite and nice is probably a big contributor.

    PC insidiously feeds on niceness. After all, if you don't have anything nice to say about other people, you are not supposed to say anything.

    Since you can't say "no" to immigration without criticizing immigrants then by definition you are not a "nice" and "polite" person. So your opinions must be officially cancelled even if they are objectively correct.

    This is especially a problem as conformist women are now the predominant element in all culture war debates.

    Death by politeness will be the end of the West.

    Nah, things are frankly just too good for whites right now.

    Yeah, we’re getting swamped but a majority of whites live in all, or mostly white areas. Basically, the booming immigrant population lives in NEWLY constructed subdivisions, meaning that there is not always ethnic displacement happening on the neighborhood level.

    Most whites are living well, and are escaping the diversity for now. Of course, lots aren’t, but they are a small portion of the overall total.

    Nobody will do or risk anything with such plentiful conditions, right now. But things are changing. Mainly in the attitudes of non whites (especially 2nd generation). They seem to have decided they hate whitey in the past year. And, eventually the ethnic displacement will come to a white area near you.

    Everybody thinks there is too much immigration, but nobody says anything.

    The country is already lost, look at Molyneux immigration rate chart he posted. Ontario is double California.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Nah, things are frankly just too good for whites right now.
     
    Things are going very very well indeed for rich whites. They're going very well for upper middle class whites. And those whites will continue to do well. In case you hadn't noticed society is organised entirely for the benefit of the rich and the upper middle class.

    Things are not quite so bright for lower middle class whites but they're not suffering in a major way yet.

    Things really really suck for working-class whites and rural whites. But rich whites and upper middle class whites don't give a damn about those people and never will.

    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.
    , @Edward
    Race isn’t the main factor, class and education are. I freely admit that I don’t want to live in a bad, dysfunctional location, but I don’t want to live among the white underclass any more than I want to live among the black or immigrant underclass.

    If I had a choice between living in a neighbourhood filled with educated South and East Asian, African, White and mixed-race people, or living in an all-white, dying, trashy town in the North of England, I would choose the first option.

    That’s why, as a highly educated middle-class white, my closest neighbours include educated Syrian, Indian, Chinese and Pakistani families.

  79. Steve Sailer:

    “Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans”

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It’s surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America’s most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer’s endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer – and you miscreants reading this – is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls “decent wages” to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are “decent” wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don’t ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Rosie

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It’s surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.
     
    The end result is the same: displacement and extinction.

    And of course, they're not really "unarmed" are they? They have the whole law enforcement apparatus of the country to protect them.
    , @Yak-15
    Clausewitz calls war politics by other means. In a democracy, he who wins the most votes wins the election. Sapping a country with tens of millions of voters who vote in unison to appropriate that nation’s resources for their benefit at the expense of the natives is no different. Immigration is war by other means.
    , @216
    Get out

    Subversion should be an automatic deportable offense.
    , @Anonymous
    I buy all my gas , or almost all, from Quik Trip.

    I know the Cadieuxes, father and son, or knew Chester and know Chet, the son. They were/are pricks. I've told them that to their face.

    QT gas is supposedly better than other brands, I don't care, I buy cheap gas because I have ordinary cars that run fine on 87 octane. QT gas is more or less the same price, but I don't shop gas prices.

    i buy QT gas because QT is not financing serial immigration. They are paying legal American workers, many white, some decent acting and proper English speaking blacks and Asians, an occasional mestizo, but ll legal workers who can speak intelligible English.

    Most other gas sttions are owned by Indians, Arabs, Paks, others. They are looking to bring in their relatives more and more. Buying from them finances that.

    I'd rather support the jackass Cadieux family than bring in more immigrants.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.
     
    You're right-- one is honest, one is sneaky. And more effective in the long run.

    Oh, and conquerors always follow up with immigration of their own. Ask any Indian, dot or feather.


    people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves
     
    So you admit their motives are mercenary.

    The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million.
     
    Why stop at 10 million? Why not 100 million a year? We'd be China by 2030. Hell, at 10 million, we'd be China by 2119.

    Or just start with a controlled experiment. Ontario is empty, and open to immigration. Allowing just 30 million a year to that province would bring the density up to a robust Bangladeshi level of 3,000 per square mile, and 1.2 billion total, by 2050. We'll see how that works out.

    Dishwashers would be really cheap then. National parks would be razed, but hey, you can't have everything.

    https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/as-sa/97-550/vignettes/img/map-2006-pop-density-ontario-sz01-en.gif

    , @Malla
    Africa had a very low density some decades ago. Why did not anyone suggest more immigration from Europe and Asia as the solution to African backwardness and a way to expand African economies?
    America may need more immigration but White immigration and maybe up to some extent East Asian immigration. High IQ civilized Hispanics who can integrate with Anglo American culture in small numbers are fine too but most Hispanics going to the USA are low IQ thugs.
    , @Malla

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It’s surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.
     
    Wrong on your part. Most immigrates are very hostile to the native populations. It is just that it is beyond their capacity to militarily invade and conquer western nations.

    Coming from an Indian who has lived in First World countries. Most brown blacks had the attitude of a conqueror, they kept this side hidden from Whites and it would come out only amongst ourselves.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    if America received 10 million immigrants a year
     
    Bangladesh receives the equivalent of 16 million immigrants a year, in natives reaching adulthood. So they must be doing way better than we are!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bangladesh#Structure_of_the_population

    Nigeria adds four million yearly the same way. Adding another four million through immigration-- make that six, to counteract emigration loss-- would bring them up to your suggested rate for the US. Do you really believe that would help them?

    Or are you an American exceptionalist?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Nigeria#Age_structure
    , @megabar
    > your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers

    There are things far more important than getting the lowest price on goods. America was able to survive, and indeed thrive, without minority labor in past.

    Your argument is fundamentally wrong, but unfortunately there are plenty of useful idiots who believe it.
    , @istevefan

    because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job.
     
    Their direct wages is only one part of the cost. What about social services that these immigrants receive? What about the subsidized medical care they receive in lieu of the employer paying them a liveable wage? Their employers are privatizing profits and socializing the costs. In the end we are paying for it in more ways than one.
  80. @guest
    Imagine Superman landed in Belgium or somesuch, and dedicated himself to Truth, Justice, and the European Way. Would he be racist? Ah, but he's an alien. Maybe he has immunity. Though he does look white.

    I enjoy how they immediately know the European Way implies whiteness and Christianity (for starters.) They are upset by this implication, because those things they'd like to destroy.

    The CW network appears to be married to diversity (DC Comics).

  81. @AnotherDad

    Our university system, Hollywood and television have done a fantastic job turning our Jennifers against us. All that passion women have for enforcing social norms and advocating for the weak now goes into enforcing globalism in every nook and cranny of society.
     
    Cagey this deserves pride of place and a comment all its own.

    Everyone who cares about saving the West thoroughly grasp this problem.

    Thanks.

  82. anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    White “privilege”: Having no right to a homeland for the safety and security your children. No right to cultural or demographic self-preservation. No right to borders ANYWHERE, not even in Europe!

    White “privilege” in South Africa: Watching your daughter and wife be gang raped, and your babies be boiled alive, before being gruesomely tortured to death with blowtorches, power drills, clothing irons, over a span of hours or even DAYS. This is not an exaggeration. It is happening RIGHT NOW.

    These are “gifts” for Whites ONLY.

    When they say “anti racist”, they mean Anti White.
    When they say “diversity”, they mean White G…

    • Replies: @adreadline

    White “privilege” in South Africa: Watching your daughter and wife be gang raped, and your babies be boiled alive, before being gruesomely tortured to death with blowtorches, power drills, clothing irons, over a span of hours or even DAYS. This is not an exaggeration. It is happening RIGHT NOW.
     
    I doubt this. I've briefly searched for ''child murdered in South Africa'', as you mentioned babies being boiled alive, which, I imagine, would unsurprisingly result in their deaths.

    The most I've found is:

    1) A story about a 3-year-old boy who got restrained, tortured and killed, allegedly by two older children. This happened a few months ago. I don't know about the races of any of the kids.

    2) There's another story of a 3-year-old girl who was tortured and killed, and her mother was found guilty while the grandmother was a suspect who died while awaiting trial. Their names were given: they don't sound Boer, Afrikaner, English, Indian, or otherwise non-native to me, and an image search suggests they're an indigenous South African family.

    3) There's another story about a 3-year-old girl being tortured and killed by her mother, as well as by her father, and in this other case, the mother appears to be very much of European descent, and the father has a first name which suggests he's of Boer/Afrikaner descent.

    Nothing about white babies being boiled alive by natives who took them from their parents and tortured them, too.

    Anyway, I'll suspect you're bullshitting until you provide evidence you're not.

  83. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It’s surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The end result is the same: displacement and extinction.

    And of course, they’re not really “unarmed” are they? They have the whole law enforcement apparatus of the country to protect them.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Rosie
    And lol at this:

    Also, don’t ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers.
     
    Yes, I'm sure they're doing it all out of the kindness of their hearts!

    And here I thought the democratic representatives of the people were supposed to carry out their wishes without them having to give up going to the movies with their kids once in awhile.

    In any event, I would happily give up the movies and restaurant meals in exchange for a future for White children. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be necessary, though. After all, Americans certainly dis these things before the Mexicans came here to grace us with their august presence.

    Of course, any benefit we get as consumers is probably cancelled out by the fiscal burden of employees who are not earning a living wage, anyway. How much is K-12 education per child in California?
    , @Nick Diaz
    No, the net result is NOT the same. Invading militaries have as their objective killing the enemy and taking their territory by force. You are using an obtuse analogy to make an argument. Immigrants come to work and live in a country and not to harm the citizens of the country, while agreeing to submit to the existing state and laws of the country they are immigrating to. This is *completely* different from a foreign military invasion, where the stated goal is to kill large numbers of the population of the country being invaded, while at the same time destroying the state, the laws and the way of living of the country they are invading and taking the territory by force. And please don't bring extreme outliers of immigrants that raped women or killed people to prove your point. That is beyond asinine and obtuse. Furthermore, we are talking about net effects here, and the net effect of immigration is positive.

    How are they displacing and extinguishing you? Are they invading your property and kicking you out? Have they killed you? That is not their stated goal; the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals and none are military invaders, but rather people that want to work to give themselves and their loved ones a better live. An immigrant that committs a crime is just a criminal and not representative of the vast majority of immigrants. And while an argument caan be made that if no immigrants were allowed that those crimes wouldn't have happened, that is akin to throwing the baby away with the bath water: the net contribution of immigrants far outweight the cons.

    How can you possibly state that you are being displaced and extinguihsed by immigrants, when all they are doing is working to better their lives and that of their loved ones?
    , @Nick Diaz
    "The end result is the same: displacement and extinction."

    White Americans seem to be doing fine: there are over 200 million of them. Are immigrants stopping white Americans from having kids? No. Are they actively hunting down and extrminating white Americans? No. Your point is completely asinine. Immigrants are not " displacing" white Americans: you can live anywhere you want according to your means. Also, immigrants are not making whites go extinct. They would only be doing that if they were either killing white Americans or actively stopping white Americans from having kids, both of which are not true. And please don`t brring up tyhe example of extreme outlier criminals to prove your point. That is beyond obtuse and a terrible way to argue.

    "And of course, they’re not really “unarmed” are they? They have the whole law enforcement apparatus of the country to protect them"

    Which is also true for white people. So what is your point exactly? Immigrants have to obey the law like everybody else. If a white person kills an immigrant, they go to jail. True. But if an immigrant does that, they either get thrown in jail too or deported. So what is your point exactly? You have no point.
  84. anon[245] • Disclaimer says:

    That EU bureaucrat thug named “Juncker”, what a piece of work.

    He is as bad on immigration as if our Jeb! Bush and Nancy Pelosi were somehow rolled into one hideous creature.

    The German meaning of Juncker is “a country squire.” The English meaning of “junk” or its verb forms would be more appropriate for that EU bureaucrat thug.

  85. > we must put the pedal to the metal on immigration

    I make this point all the time. Even if you are pro-immigration, surely history has at least a cautionary note about multicultural, multiracial societies.

    Surely, it is wise to at least consider the _possibility_ that a massive, irreversible change in a country’s demographics might cause long term issues. In such a world, pausing immigration might well be prudent, to give the people already here a better chance to assimilate without fanning the flames of conflict.

    I have never had a progressive acknowledge this.

    • Replies: @216

    Even if you are pro-immigration, surely history has at least a cautionary note about multicultural, multiracial societies.
     
    The least bad option, imo, is a technocratic Singapore-style authoritarian government. I don't foresee the souveranist right coming to power in a Western European country or in the A4. No faction holding power in society wants less globalism.

    I have never had a progressive acknowledge this.
     
    They have a lot tied up in "democracy", and aren't exactly ready for the idea that handing over power to an unelected council led by Elon Musk is the only practicable way of getting their policy preferences to stick without risking violence.
  86. @Rosie

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It’s surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.
     
    The end result is the same: displacement and extinction.

    And of course, they're not really "unarmed" are they? They have the whole law enforcement apparatus of the country to protect them.

    And lol at this:

    Also, don’t ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers.

    Yes, I’m sure they’re doing it all out of the kindness of their hearts!

    And here I thought the democratic representatives of the people were supposed to carry out their wishes without them having to give up going to the movies with their kids once in awhile.

    In any event, I would happily give up the movies and restaurant meals in exchange for a future for White children. I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t be necessary, though. After all, Americans certainly dis these things before the Mexicans came here to grace us with their august presence.

    Of course, any benefit we get as consumers is probably cancelled out by the fiscal burden of employees who are not earning a living wage, anyway. How much is K-12 education per child in California?

  87. That Ska Keller is a nice looking young man.

  88. OT: Here in this Zero Hedge piece, economist Gary Kimbrough has put together a ton of demographic data about Millennials. This is pretty Steve-y stuff. The whole thread is well worth reading, but of particular interest to me was this plate showing the percentage of young people living with their parents with an historical context going back to the 1850s.

    The period from about 1950 to 2000 was clearly a very pronounced historical aberration, and it seems like what we’re seeing now is simply a return to the historic norm. My intuition always told me that this was in fact the case, so it’s nice to see it borne out by actual data. In a nutshell, the data show that intergenerational living used to be quite normal, that this pattern was broken down by the unprecedented and unsustainable boom of the 2nd half of the 20th century, and that expecting or forcing today’s young people to emulate the Boomers is an arrangement that’s doomed to fail as reality reasserts itself.

  89. @BenKenobi
    You talk like a fag and your shit’s all retarded.

    Call the Soylent Foundation and donate your body to feed hungry Morlocks.

    Ha. +1 for the reference(s)

  90. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    Clausewitz calls war politics by other means. In a democracy, he who wins the most votes wins the election. Sapping a country with tens of millions of voters who vote in unison to appropriate that nation’s resources for their benefit at the expense of the natives is no different. Immigration is war by other means.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  91. @AnotherDad

    Our university system, Hollywood and television have done a fantastic job turning our Jennifers against us. All that passion women have for enforcing social norms and advocating for the weak now goes into enforcing globalism in every nook and cranny of society.
     
    Cagey this deserves pride of place and a comment all its own.

    Everyone who cares about saving the West thoroughly grasp this problem.

    All that passion women have

    Okay, but there seems to be just as much zeal from The Canadian Male (pause for effect) for this.

  92. @Altai
    Another example of immigrant narcissism I've posted before but always makes me laugh.

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan. (But also sometimes Korea and China)

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*
     
    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    It pains me greatly to say this, but the majority in Ireland does in fact want it to stop being Ireland. The folks in the countryside probably don’t, but they’re convinced that their betters in the government ministries know best. Soon it will be too late.

    • Replies: @Altai
    Not true from either polling data or my experience. The majority of foreigners in Ireland are there due to the EU so there is little to be done other than leave the EU and we can see how hard that is to be made. And we don't know for sure if freedom of movement will be ended even in a no-deal Brexit.

    Every time there has been a vote on it, immigration loses in Ireland, even to the point of changing the constitution to remove pure jus soli. (Interestingly it still applies to all those who are 'lawful permanent residents', so it is a way American could alter it's law to simply not apply to those on short-term visas or illegal immigrants while still not jus sanguine)

    It's partly the speed (In the 22 and up age range, foreigners really don't factor) and lack (So far) of many Muslims who tend to turbo-charge conflict. Also the lack of a political party which brings up the topic (Tied to the recentness of the issue) partly due to Sinn Fein not being able due to political aesthetics to address it and blocking the formation of a right wing nationalist party with that view from gaining much success. (There is the National Party, but they are quite new and will take time)

    Immigration isn't popular anywhere.
  93. @bomag

    He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.
     
    Good point. We are told "diversity is our strength blah blah blah" while on the ground, things get worse overall from mass immigration compared to what could have been with the alternative. But we can't un-explode the bomb, and the advocates of this destruction are paying no compensation.

    That guy wants to bang Japanese girls. That’s it. Full stop. Everything that lying pos says is in pursuit of that goal.

  94. @Moses
    Fundamentally, this example is about whether European peoples have the will to preserve their nations and culture.

    Evidence so far says “no.”

    Next stop, ash heap of history!

    It’s pretty clear that mist of their leaders have no will to preserve their nations and culture.

  95. @historicus
    Actually Poland had interned thousands of ethnic Germans and routinely killed fleeing German refugees at border crossings. We hear a lot about the supposed “Aryan superiority” of the Germans but not a word about the racist, nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship. With London’s worthless guarantee of military aid, the Polish General Staff had drawn up an attack plan they believed would see their army –the fourth largest in Europe- in Berlin in four weeks.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.

    Actually Poland had interned thousands of ethnic Germans and routinely killed fleeing German refugees at border crossings.

    Where can we learn more about this? It’s an episode of history which doesn’t get much coverage.

  96. @Corvinus
    "But a Hungarian has a *right* to live with other Hungarians and the historic Hungarian nation. A French man or woman has a *right* to live with other French in France. A German, a Sweden, an Englishman, a Spainard, a Dane, a Pole, etc. etc. etc. These peoples and cultures are precious and have a right to survive. And every person has a right to live in the nation they were born into."

    Except the issue here is that America is a mutt nation. And America does not mean exclusively or primarily "white".

    Except the issue here is that America is a mutt nation. And America does not mean exclusively or primarily “white”.

    No actually the issue “here” is Europe, that’s what Steve’s post is about.

    And as to America we are a “mutt” nation, but it’s not a random collection of “people of the world”. America is an Anglo protestant settler nation–along with Canada, Australia, New Zealand. (That’s why it’s nice.) And the population historically was a largely Germano-Celtic white core–built of a mix of people (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Dutch, German) who are themselves mixes of Celts and the later Germanic wave–and a black (historically 10-20%) minority who had nothing to do with driving the joint, and an even smaller, essentially irrelevant native minority.

    It’s basically been a mixed outpost of Western Christendom–that’s it’s culture, it’s “civilization”–not a world “mutt nation”. Now, of course, there are more people from all over. Some who adapt well to traditonal American culture, many who do not. Whether it’s even a “nation” in any real sense anymore is unclear.

    • Agree: Moses, Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk

    Whether it’s even a “nation” in any real sense anymore is unclear.
     
    A nation? Not any longer, it's a semi-porous economic zone now.

    As long as the country was over 90% white and new arrivals were from Europe, we could have a nation and a culture of our own, and we did. Our first major error started in 1619 and the fatal mistake was committed in 1965. And we never had the guts to admit and correct those mistakes and now it is too late. No longer a nation, just a market.
    , @Corvinus
    Mr. Sailer made a direct reference to America and immigration. That is what I am commenting about.

    As far as America is concerned, America was originally founded by different ethnic and religious groups from Europe, who each held specific grievances about one another.

    "built of a mix of people (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Dutch, German) who are themselves mixes of Celts and the later Germanic wave"

    Right, "mutts". Thanks for agreeing.

    "an even smaller, essentially irrelevant native minority."

    Native Americans were clearly relevant, as they were jackbooted for their land and resources.

    "It’s basically been a mixed outpost of Western Christendom–that’s it’s culture, it’s “civilization”"

    Right, "mixed". And it was an "outpost" of a blend of groups and faiths which eventually became a new "race"--American. The Founding Fathers enabled future generations to decide who is part of our nation, which observably exists today.

    "Some who adapt well to traditional American culture, many who do not."

    Nativists were insistent that the second wave of Germans/Irish, as well as Poles, Italians, and Greeks lacked the skills required to assimilate. Were those nativists wrong?

    Of course, you are not taking into account that our traditions have changed as we have included "alien" groups. That is our history. That is our destiny.

  97. @Whiskey
    White women will always back mass third world immigration. Genocide of beta males is a win for them.

    After all, civilization is just something that happens. It doesn't need White beta males . If it did women figure, they'd get tingles for betas. And they don't so there.

    The West was doomed the moment women got the vote.

    White women will always back mass third world immigration. Genocide of beta males is a win for them.

    Yeah. That’s why White women objected to the Naturalization Act of 1790 and all of its successors.

    The West was doomed the moment women got the vote.

    The West was doomed the moment WW1 kicked off.

    • Replies: @216
    Germany could have built trucks instead of dreadnoughts.

    They'd have won. We'd probably be better off.
  98. @Whiskey
    White women will always back mass third world immigration. Genocide of beta males is a win for them.

    After all, civilization is just something that happens. It doesn't need White beta males . If it did women figure, they'd get tingles for betas. And they don't so there.

    The West was doomed the moment women got the vote.

    you are kinda’ off the whiskey there.

  99. @megabar
    > we must put the pedal to the metal on immigration

    I make this point all the time. Even if you are pro-immigration, surely history has at least a cautionary note about multicultural, multiracial societies.

    Surely, it is wise to at least consider the _possibility_ that a massive, irreversible change in a country's demographics might cause long term issues. In such a world, pausing immigration might well be prudent, to give the people already here a better chance to assimilate without fanning the flames of conflict.

    I have never had a progressive acknowledge this.

    Even if you are pro-immigration, surely history has at least a cautionary note about multicultural, multiracial societies.

    The least bad option, imo, is a technocratic Singapore-style authoritarian government. I don’t foresee the souveranist right coming to power in a Western European country or in the A4. No faction holding power in society wants less globalism.

    I have never had a progressive acknowledge this.

    They have a lot tied up in “democracy”, and aren’t exactly ready for the idea that handing over power to an unelected council led by Elon Musk is the only practicable way of getting their policy preferences to stick without risking violence.

  100. @istevefan

    White women will always back mass third world immigration. Genocide of beta males is a win for them.
     
    Yeah. That's why White women objected to the Naturalization Act of 1790 and all of its successors.

    The West was doomed the moment women got the vote.
     
    The West was doomed the moment WW1 kicked off.

    Germany could have built trucks instead of dreadnoughts.

    They’d have won. We’d probably be better off.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Germany could have built trucks instead of dreadnoughts. They’d have won. We’d probably be better off."

    That is absolutely insane for you to say.
  101. @Whiskey
    White women will always back mass third world immigration. Genocide of beta males is a win for them.

    After all, civilization is just something that happens. It doesn't need White beta males . If it did women figure, they'd get tingles for betas. And they don't so there.

    The West was doomed the moment women got the vote.

    Sometimes, you need to STFU. And, most times you so need to f*ck! Why is it so hard to fuck someone where you live? Like, what the fuck, after, fucking 5+ years of reading you, a woman who loves to, atleast, love the F word. Could you please go out and come back to us on iSteve to say you fucked your brains out – we don’t care about whoever you fucked.

    OK, I just missiled myself out of this Stevie wonderland…loved yah all!

  102. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    Get out

    Subversion should be an automatic deportable offense.

  103. @AnotherDad

    Except the issue here is that America is a mutt nation. And America does not mean exclusively or primarily “white”.
     
    No actually the issue "here" is Europe, that's what Steve's post is about.

    And as to America we are a "mutt" nation, but it's not a random collection of "people of the world". America is an Anglo protestant settler nation--along with Canada, Australia, New Zealand. (That's why it's nice.) And the population historically was a largely Germano-Celtic white core--built of a mix of people (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Dutch, German) who are themselves mixes of Celts and the later Germanic wave--and a black (historically 10-20%) minority who had nothing to do with driving the joint, and an even smaller, essentially irrelevant native minority.

    It's basically been a mixed outpost of Western Christendom--that's it's culture, it's "civilization"--not a world "mutt nation". Now, of course, there are more people from all over. Some who adapt well to traditonal American culture, many who do not. Whether it's even a "nation" in any real sense anymore is unclear.

    Whether it’s even a “nation” in any real sense anymore is unclear.

    A nation? Not any longer, it’s a semi-porous economic zone now.

    As long as the country was over 90% white and new arrivals were from Europe, we could have a nation and a culture of our own, and we did. Our first major error started in 1619 and the fatal mistake was committed in 1965. And we never had the guts to admit and correct those mistakes and now it is too late. No longer a nation, just a market.

  104. @Anonymous
    In a nutshell, this is what Brexit is all about.

    It's also the reason why the machinations of the UK's Deep State (Economist TM) in keeping Britain in the EU despite the Referendum result simply *CANNOT* be allowed to prevail, and the fight to leave the EU, bag and baggage, must be fought right down to the bitterest end with no quarter given.

    In a nutshell, this is what Brexit is all about.

    Brexit is not going to fix any of this. If anything it will lead to a huge increase in Third World immigration. The British ruling class is solidly globalist. That includes Brexiteers like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. Unless the British can do something about their own ruling class they have zero chance of survival.

    The fact that so many people think Brexit is a magic solution is deeply depressing.

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    The point of Brexit, by the elites who are leading it, is to turn the UK into an offshore tax haven and avoid EU financial regulations. London will become another Hong Kong, with a little more hinterland. Somehow I doubt Rees-Mogg is going to be recruiting his hedge fund analysts in Sunderland or Leeds.
    , @Sam Malone
    Many supporters of Brexit don't think it's a magic solution, but a necessary first step to recovering control of their borders, chiefly by denying the political class their favorite excuse for not doing anything - that Brussels won't let them. It would also keep the UK out of any further Merkel boners and the resultant spreading around of future mass influxes. It's also symbolic of the divide between the people and the political class. So it is very important.
  105. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    I buy all my gas , or almost all, from Quik Trip.

    I know the Cadieuxes, father and son, or knew Chester and know Chet, the son. They were/are pricks. I’ve told them that to their face.

    QT gas is supposedly better than other brands, I don’t care, I buy cheap gas because I have ordinary cars that run fine on 87 octane. QT gas is more or less the same price, but I don’t shop gas prices.

    i buy QT gas because QT is not financing serial immigration. They are paying legal American workers, many white, some decent acting and proper English speaking blacks and Asians, an occasional mestizo, but ll legal workers who can speak intelligible English.

    Most other gas sttions are owned by Indians, Arabs, Paks, others. They are looking to bring in their relatives more and more. Buying from them finances that.

    I’d rather support the jackass Cadieux family than bring in more immigrants.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Also, I find it amusing that on the side of all Quik Trip gas pumps, it clearly says:

    Quik Trip gasoline is not intended for use in aircraft engines.

    Since I've never seen a Quik Trip an aircraft could feasibly taxi into it seems rather redundant. Except for the guy who had a gyrocopter that he added lights and a muffler on and got licensed as a motorcycle so he could run it on the roads with the rotor locked down. They are worried about getting sued by that one guy, I guess.
  106. And before WWI Prussians spent centuries discriminating against Poles, attacking the Catholic Church and trying to forbid the Polish language in traditionally Polish cities like Poznan. The cycle of German-Polish enmity goes back to the minute the Slavs arrived in Central Europe, so a “they started it” argument has no bottom.

    Otoh, the persistence of Slav-German tension over 10 centuries certainly makes one question how likely it is that large groups of Turks, Arabs and Africans can be successfully “integrated.”

  107. @dfordoom

    In a nutshell, this is what Brexit is all about.
     
    Brexit is not going to fix any of this. If anything it will lead to a huge increase in Third World immigration. The British ruling class is solidly globalist. That includes Brexiteers like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. Unless the British can do something about their own ruling class they have zero chance of survival.

    The fact that so many people think Brexit is a magic solution is deeply depressing.

    The point of Brexit, by the elites who are leading it, is to turn the UK into an offshore tax haven and avoid EU financial regulations. London will become another Hong Kong, with a little more hinterland. Somehow I doubt Rees-Mogg is going to be recruiting his hedge fund analysts in Sunderland or Leeds.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Geezus. What else? Is Santa Claus a monopolist who manufactures toys with child labor in Viet Nam? It would seem everything is something else and only smart dudes on the internet know what. Can't we just go back to sleep now and dream we're in post-war America eating TV dinners? Reality sucks.
    , @Anonymous
    Look.

    Big EU honcho Franz Timmermans - called a 'Commissioner' but in reality an unelected, unanswerable, unaccountable dictator - is on *filmed record* berating the Hungarians for their scepticism regarding massive third world immigration. "It's the way of the future" , he lectured the Hungarians, "We will all inevitably end up mixed".

    *THIS* is what the EU is really all about. A shithead Economist dictator political class eager to impose their shithead dictator Economist vision upon the poor peasants of Europe. A vision that couldn't give a shit about the peasants, but coddles the darkies, the 'New Europeans'.
  108. @Rosie

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It’s surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.
     
    The end result is the same: displacement and extinction.

    And of course, they're not really "unarmed" are they? They have the whole law enforcement apparatus of the country to protect them.

    No, the net result is NOT the same. Invading militaries have as their objective killing the enemy and taking their territory by force. You are using an obtuse analogy to make an argument. Immigrants come to work and live in a country and not to harm the citizens of the country, while agreeing to submit to the existing state and laws of the country they are immigrating to. This is *completely* different from a foreign military invasion, where the stated goal is to kill large numbers of the population of the country being invaded, while at the same time destroying the state, the laws and the way of living of the country they are invading and taking the territory by force. And please don’t bring extreme outliers of immigrants that raped women or killed people to prove your point. That is beyond asinine and obtuse. Furthermore, we are talking about net effects here, and the net effect of immigration is positive.

    How are they displacing and extinguishing you? Are they invading your property and kicking you out? Have they killed you? That is not their stated goal; the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals and none are military invaders, but rather people that want to work to give themselves and their loved ones a better live. An immigrant that committs a crime is just a criminal and not representative of the vast majority of immigrants. And while an argument caan be made that if no immigrants were allowed that those crimes wouldn’t have happened, that is akin to throwing the baby away with the bath water: the net contribution of immigrants far outweight the cons.

    How can you possibly state that you are being displaced and extinguihsed by immigrants, when all they are doing is working to better their lives and that of their loved ones?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Are they invading your property and kicking you out?
     
    Is that the standard? Then it would be fine if they just invaded my property and didn't kick me out, but just eroded my quality of life to the point I just left of my own accord?


    Immigrants come to work and live in a country and not to harm the citizens of the country,
     

    I couldn't care less what they they think they are coming here to do. They are driving wages down and housing prices up. This remains the case regardless of their intentions.

    You see, I take my own side. I know you can't stand that.

    (And BTW, invading armies do not come to kill large percentages of the population. That's ridiculous. They often make it a point to avoid civilian casualties.)

    , @Counterinsurgency

    How are they displacing and extinguishing you? Are they invading your property and kicking you out? Have they killed you?
     
    Go to one of the migrant enclaves. You'll be kicked out. If you don't go, they'll try to make you. Sometimes this can end up with somebody dead.

    That is not their stated goal;
     
    It's the unstated goal of just about every immigrant I've met, including a couple of ethnic French immigrants.

    the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals
     
    So, out of every hundred people, how many "criminals"? Do they pose a threat to me? Yes. Why am I supposed to pay for their importation and support?

    when all they are doing is working to better their lives and that of their loved ones?
     
    It isn't "all", see "migrant enclaves" above.

    Counterinsurgency
  109. @Peter Akuleyev
    The point of Brexit, by the elites who are leading it, is to turn the UK into an offshore tax haven and avoid EU financial regulations. London will become another Hong Kong, with a little more hinterland. Somehow I doubt Rees-Mogg is going to be recruiting his hedge fund analysts in Sunderland or Leeds.

    Geezus. What else? Is Santa Claus a monopolist who manufactures toys with child labor in Viet Nam? It would seem everything is something else and only smart dudes on the internet know what. Can’t we just go back to sleep now and dream we’re in post-war America eating TV dinners? Reality sucks.

  110. @Anonymous
    Anti-immigrant talk is ugly rhetoric and hate ... and very, very dangerous.

    Isn’t this the kind of language that would in normal circumstances inspire laughter and ridicule?

    Anti-immigrant talk is ugly rhetoric and hate … and very, very dangerous.

    Even more dangerous, ugly, and heteful than pr0-immigrant talk?

    Run an experiement. Try living in an area of recent and heavy internal or external immigration for a year, and (if you live through the experience) think about the talk (apparently by people who hate you) that endangered your life through rhetoric, rhetoric that formerly seemed nice but by now will seem ugly.

    For the full experience, take your kids along and watch them deteriorate. Wait, don’t do that — I wouldn’t want to hurt the kids and it’s too much to ask of you .

    Counterinsurgency

  111. @Counterinsurgency

    The real-world problem remains though, that in Austria for example, the most (!) of the severe crimes like murder and rape, etc. are already committed by immigrants/migrants (this is one of the true wonders in the European public sphere these days: That Austria did indeed publish these numbers!).
     
    The real-world problem from the standpoint of EU governments is that they would fall tomorrow without the support of the foreigners they have imported and continue to feed, house, and clothe. In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election. Given the choice between winning the next election and having their descendants lose the country, they don't even see a choice. "What, after all, has posterity ever done for us?"

    If you want this to change, you will have to force the change. Ordinarily, this means abandoning representative government.

    Here's a bit of history: Oliver Cromwell's side deposed the king and tried to elect a responsible and representative parliament. His last attempt at that before becoming Protector (dictator in function) was the Barebone Parliament [1], also called the "Mad Parliament". Take a look at reference [1] and you can see why a step to absolute rule was Cromwell's only remaining move. You might see it again.
    The step to absolute rule was a variant on Parkinson's Injelititis [2] cure: Convert everything that you can to money, fire everybody, and use the money to re-start with completely new name, personnel, and physical plant. When everything is gone -- plant is worn out, buildnings too big and obsolete, personnel hopelessly convinced that intrigue is their only salvation [3], then Parkinson's cure is the only one left.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barebone%27s_Parliament

    2] https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-n6mqYo6d8uKz06xm/Parkinson-s-Law_djvu.txt
    then search for symbol string:
    Injelititis, or Palsied Paralysis

    3] "In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
    Hunter S. Thompson , Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (novel) , Part I, 9 (1971)

    In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election.

    The idea of importing immigrants to win elections is nonsense. It doesn’t work. Tony Blair supposedly had a cunning plan to ensure that Labour would remain in government forever by importing immigrants. Labour has lost the last three elections.

    The parties of the Left (or the parties calling themselves Left) are in disarray. In Australia (where immigrant numbers are much higher than in the U.S. or Britain) they have managed to win just two of the last nine elections.

    There are reasons that all major parties in all western nations are pro-immigration. But winning elections is not one of them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nonsense.

    It's a long game they are playing.

    Greater London used to be a Tory stronghold, now it's gone over to Labour - solely due to the immigrant vote. The biggest single indicator of not voting Tory is to be non white. The Tory party has never won a substantial majority of the vote in 25 years.
    As non whites trend to a majority of the electorate - around mid century - expect permanent Labour Party rule.
    , @adreadline

    The idea of importing immigrants to win elections is nonsense. It doesn’t work. Tony Blair supposedly had a cunning plan to ensure that Labour would remain in government forever by importing immigrants. Labour has lost the last three elections.
     
    It absolutely does work. The UK is still mostly white, though. Before that's out of the way, things will have changed. If there's immigration on the level of many dozens of millions of people, as some are apparently fine with, it'd be easy.
    , @jim jones
    The Internet came along just in time to provide people with an alternative source of information to the mainstream media.
  112. Anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    The point of Brexit, by the elites who are leading it, is to turn the UK into an offshore tax haven and avoid EU financial regulations. London will become another Hong Kong, with a little more hinterland. Somehow I doubt Rees-Mogg is going to be recruiting his hedge fund analysts in Sunderland or Leeds.

    Look.

    Big EU honcho Franz Timmermans – called a ‘Commissioner’ but in reality an unelected, unanswerable, unaccountable dictator – is on *filmed record* berating the Hungarians for their scepticism regarding massive third world immigration. “It’s the way of the future” , he lectured the Hungarians, “We will all inevitably end up mixed”.

    *THIS* is what the EU is really all about. A shithead Economist dictator political class eager to impose their shithead dictator Economist vision upon the poor peasants of Europe. A vision that couldn’t give a shit about the peasants, but coddles the darkies, the ‘New Europeans’.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    That something new is happening with the mass-immigration adds to its "attractiveness". I'm serious. Immigration is not least a cult of (intended) release - maybe even redemption.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    You are not wrong about the pernicious immigration strategy of the EU and the contempt the educated bureaucrats have for their social inferiors. Unfortunately that has very little to do with Brexit. It may be why people voted for Brexit, but it is not why a bunch of billionaires decided to fund the effort to leave.
  113. @istevefan

    Most whites would prefer being cool or hip to existing.
     
    Most Whites, and people for that matter, prefer to be on the winning side. They will sit on the fence until they see one side or the other turning the tide. Then they will migrate to that side.

    I don't doubt for a minute that if our side were the one wielding the whip hand and was in control of the media, academia, tech, etc., etc., Whites would be coming out of the woodwork to denounce MASS immigration and the threat it poses.

    In fact it would probably be easier to get Whites to come out in favor of our positions on immigration because deep down it is actually in their self interest. Currently Whites walk on egg shells to toe the line of the current regime because it is such an unnatural position to take. Yet they do it because being on winning side is also instinctive.

    It doesn't help that the leadership on our supposed side has been co-opted by people who are diametrically opposed to our views. Thus we've been in full retreat for years because our so called leaders don't really want our side to win.

    Until we begin to take firm positions and hold them, this trend will continue. I believe we have more than enough people on our side with the collective economic clout to effect change. Remember, studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized, and what little organization does appear from time to time is easily derailed by outside elements jumping in to snuff it out.

    studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized

    If you’re disorganised and you lack leadership you can have 95% of the population on your side and you’ll still lose.

    If you have 5% of the population on your side and you’re disorganised and you lack leadership then you’re irrelevant.

  114. @bomag

    He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.
     
    Good point. We are told "diversity is our strength blah blah blah" while on the ground, things get worse overall from mass immigration compared to what could have been with the alternative. But we can't un-explode the bomb, and the advocates of this destruction are paying no compensation.

    Good point. We are told “diversity is our strength blah blah blah” while on the ground, things get worse overall from mass immigration compared to what could have been with the alternative. But we can’t un-explode the bomb, and the advocates of this destruction are paying no compensation.

    I agree with your general assertion. The problem is older than you might think and there is no reassembling Humpty Dumpty.

    The problem in its current form dates back to the end of WW II. Western governments had established wartime control over their population, and postwar government gradually used it to achieve a position of absolute supremacy. Dismantling of US society started right after the war and has continued. As we found out after Trump’s election, the “conservatives” hated US base population just as much as the Left did.

    This has always been my experience with the conservatives: They too are mind over matter. They don’t mind, you don’t matter.

    The immigration assault isn’t that much difference in kind than the importation of massive Black settlements to Northern cities during WW II, and the destabilization of these communities after WW II, peaking (perhaps) under LBJ’s Great Society with destruction of the Black family and no action (except giving the rebelling Black settlements substantial “rewards” for their rebellion[1]) taken after the 1968 riots. I’m saying that the Left in US Federal government deliberately used Black internal immigration to destabilize US society. I’m also saying that the conservatives of the time saw nothing wrong with this, or at least not enough wrong to mention.

    So the current situation is simply a continuation of other assaults, essentially a strategy of “reinforcing success”. It’s running into the problems of a successful Cloward-Piven assault [2] in that it assumes a society that has just been beggared by over-taxation re-organizing itself to help those people who had beggared it.

    The Left wing (including the Jewish establishment) has never been very good in strategy. Essentially, it believes in raising discontent over immiseration that, once the Left seizes government, is caused by the Left. This strategy succeeds until it fails catastrophically.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] which rewards — making the independent Black middle class into a Black middle income class with legally mandated patronage jobs, breaking up the Black family, ending Black schools, turned out to be a poison pill as effective as the one given the Whites.
    2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

  115. @216

    In fact it would probably be easier to get Whites to come out in favor of our positions on immigration because deep down it is actually in their self interest.
     
    The nationalist cause is not a free lunch, both in the here and now, and should we ever win.

    The pensions ponzi would have to be unwound, vast sectors of the economy would have to adjust to the loss of cheap labor, and the Third World would have to ponder the loss of remittance.

    The Brexit is a modest response compared to what is needed, and look how much backlash it got.

    Until we begin to take firm positions and hold them, this trend will continue. I believe we have more than enough people on our side with the collective economic clout to effect change. Remember, studies have shown that it takes roughly 5% of the population who are deeply committed to make change. We have that amount easily. The trouble is we are unorganized, and what little organization does appear from time to time is easily derailed by outside elements jumping in to snuff it out.
     
    The Unz Credit Union would be a good start.

    All the unwinding, loss of remittance, end of US interference, will come when the US Dollar loses is devalued. Nobody has to do anything except fail for that to happen. Fortunately, people and organizations are very good at filing.

    Zerohedge and the Bitcoin sites say that gold and Bitcoin (respectively) will replace the US Dollar. You might take a look at the time vs. price of gold charts and the time vs price of Bitcoin charts, which tend to support the contention that large numbers of buyers are looking for an alternative to the US Dollar. Apparently some pepole are taking Bitcoin as a store of value, which is astonishing considering its volatility.

    Obviously neither Bitcoin nor gold can replace the US Dollar and the vast amounts of capital (as organization and equipment) used to process US Dollar transactions. The point is that there there is real (if unrealistic) support for having some other monetary system in place should the US Dollar become unusable, and some attempts at building substitutes [1].

    So your impossible dream may not be impossible after all. Should it arrive, we’ll all wish it _were_ impossible, but sic friat crustulum.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] I skip over the attempts at bilateral common currency trading between, say, Russia and China.

  116. @L Woods
    Yes, the average person is a craven, venal opportunist. Cattle on two legs. Why therefore all the concern about their well-being? It's a lesson I learned far too late: save yourself. Don't stick your neck out for people that would leap at the opportunity to cut it off for the 30 second dopamine rush that comes with doing a good deed for Master. I can't imagine a less worthy hill to die on than that of "white America." I post here out of habit, but honestly: give it up. Live your life, and die in peace. Whatever it is you think you're doing, it isn't worth it.

    I can’t imagine a less worthy hill to die on than that of “white America.” I post here out of habit, but honestly: give it up. Live your life, and die in peace. Whatever it is you think you’re doing, it isn’t worth it.

    That particular strategy failed with Obama. Try it and your neighborhood will be overrun by people who don’t like you, you wont be able to move because your house is devalued, and you’ll be passed over for promotion and eventually retention because your organization does both on skin color.

    Counterinsurgency

  117. @Anonymous

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally
     
    In Canada, it's not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada's national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country's social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor
     
    Immigrant pushback:

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1170331488044191744

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1172329509468524545

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. - Avnish Nanda, Everyone's Canada
     
    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht's piece as a "call to hatred".

    "Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate's greatest fuel," Govender tweeted. "Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!".
     
    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.
     
    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     

    Vancouver, where even the silos are diverse.

  118. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    You’re right– one is honest, one is sneaky. And more effective in the long run.

    Oh, and conquerors always follow up with immigration of their own. Ask any Indian, dot or feather.

    people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves

    So you admit their motives are mercenary.

    The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million.

    Why stop at 10 million? Why not 100 million a year? We’d be China by 2030. Hell, at 10 million, we’d be China by 2119.

    Or just start with a controlled experiment. Ontario is empty, and open to immigration. Allowing just 30 million a year to that province would bring the density up to a robust Bangladeshi level of 3,000 per square mile, and 1.2 billion total, by 2050. We’ll see how that works out.

    Dishwashers would be really cheap then. National parks would be razed, but hey, you can’t have everything.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Or you could say that armed invasion and hostile military takeover is harsh, open, honest and essentially masculine in nature, whilst takeover by mass immigration is essentially cowardly, deceitful, dishonest and feminine in nature.
    , @Nick Diaz
    "You’re right– one is honest, one is sneaky. And more effective in the long run.
    Oh, and conquerors always follow up with immigration of their own. Ask any Indian, dot or feather."

    No, it's *completely* different. For starters, invading armies cocme willing to kill those who oppose them from the country they are invading. Secondly, they come with the intention to loot, to *take* the country they are invading and to impose their rules. Immigrants, conversely, ccome to work, and they submit to the rules and customs of the country they are immigrating too. The diffference is very obvious and very marked. I won't even continue to debate this because it is retarded.

    And people entering conquered countries from the countries that conquered them is *not* equivalent to immigrants! Were the German colonists in Germman-occupied Poland the same as immigrants? Of course not. They had a privileged status compared to the native Poles who were pretty much the slaves of the Germans. The two things are *NOT* comparable. Case closed.

    "So you admit their motives are mercenary."

    Just like any other immigrant group. Trying to give a negative conotation to the word "mercenary" to make an argument is ridicculous. If you mean by mercenary wanting to get richer for themselves and their loved ones, then they are no more mercenary than the immigrants that came to America from Englang, Germany, Irreland, etc. Do you think those immigrants didn't come to America because they wanted a better life? The primary motivation of European immigrants who came to America, with the possible exception of the Plgrims who were fleeing religious persecution, was ecconomic. If you want to make a huge deal of the word " mercenary", which in this case is a completetely harmless term, and argue that immigrants should be kicked out because of it, then 90% of the white people in America should be kicked out too because their intentions in coming to America was primarilly economic.

    "Why stop at 10 million? Why not 100 million a year? We’d be China by 2030. Hell, at 10 million, we’d be China by 2119."

    Because resources are not infinite, and even though immigrants benefit America immensely, it comes a point that it becomes excessive. You are making this an "either" "or" isdsue, when in reality degrees matter. Myy point is that America is still benefitting from immigration, and it could benefit from hundreds of millions more. Even iff America were to receive 500 million more immigrants, it would still be more underpopulated than China. Immigration would only be a problem if we are talking about several billion. At this point, America needs more immigrants.
  119. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    Africa had a very low density some decades ago. Why did not anyone suggest more immigration from Europe and Asia as the solution to African backwardness and a way to expand African economies?
    America may need more immigration but White immigration and maybe up to some extent East Asian immigration. High IQ civilized Hispanics who can integrate with Anglo American culture in small numbers are fine too but most Hispanics going to the USA are low IQ thugs.

  120. @historicus
    Actually Poland had interned thousands of ethnic Germans and routinely killed fleeing German refugees at border crossings. We hear a lot about the supposed “Aryan superiority” of the Germans but not a word about the racist, nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship. With London’s worthless guarantee of military aid, the Polish General Staff had drawn up an attack plan they believed would see their army –the fourth largest in Europe- in Berlin in four weeks.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.

    nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship

    Poles are not Slavs and do not consider themselves as such.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.

    Complete ahistorical bullshit.

    If that was a “desperate pre-emptive strike” they would have started a few months earlier instead of helping Mussolini out in other parts of Europe. No, it was planned to be a leisurely “gonna be a cakewalk” expedition.

    Also, Soviets must have the first land army in the history of the World that gets its shit pushed in mercilessly (about 2000 miles or so) while having massive forces ready for attack. Yeah. They had to drop newly enrolled soldiers into the field with no weapons, trying to stop advancing Panzer III. Some “preparation for invasion”.

    Now I’m not saying that it might not have happened in 1947 or earlier, but the Red Army was not ready in ’41.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    A Soviet invasion of Germany in 1941 is not credible. I'm sure Hitler wasn't losing sleep over that. However he would certainly have been worried about the possibility of a Russian invasion of the Balkans. Stalin had already invaded and annexed part of Romania while Germany was preoccupied elsewhere. This was a real danger which Hitler could not ignore. His forceful reaction to the British invasion of Greece and the coup in Yugoslavia also shows how important the Balkans were to him. Stalin was playing with fire by meddling in this region.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Poles are not Slavs and do not consider themselves as such.

    After that howler you really should be too embarrassed to comment any further on anything. That is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have read on this site.
    , @Counterinsurgency
    1941 German invasion of USSR.
    See:
    Suvorov.
    _The Chief Culprit_
    Search Amazon.com using above as keywords for bibliographic information.
    or see:
    Ron Unz
    American Pravda
    article on 1941 German invasion of USSR.
    unz.com

    Counterinsurgency
  121. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It’s surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    Wrong on your part. Most immigrates are very hostile to the native populations. It is just that it is beyond their capacity to militarily invade and conquer western nations.

    Coming from an Indian who has lived in First World countries. Most brown blacks had the attitude of a conqueror, they kept this side hidden from Whites and it would come out only amongst ourselves.

  122. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    if America received 10 million immigrants a year

    Bangladesh receives the equivalent of 16 million immigrants a year, in natives reaching adulthood. So they must be doing way better than we are!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bangladesh#Structure_of_the_population

    Nigeria adds four million yearly the same way. Adding another four million through immigration– make that six, to counteract emigration loss– would bring them up to your suggested rate for the US. Do you really believe that would help them?

    Or are you an American exceptionalist?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Nigeria#Age_structure

  123. @Reg Cæsar

    Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.
     
    You're right-- one is honest, one is sneaky. And more effective in the long run.

    Oh, and conquerors always follow up with immigration of their own. Ask any Indian, dot or feather.


    people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves
     
    So you admit their motives are mercenary.

    The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million.
     
    Why stop at 10 million? Why not 100 million a year? We'd be China by 2030. Hell, at 10 million, we'd be China by 2119.

    Or just start with a controlled experiment. Ontario is empty, and open to immigration. Allowing just 30 million a year to that province would bring the density up to a robust Bangladeshi level of 3,000 per square mile, and 1.2 billion total, by 2050. We'll see how that works out.

    Dishwashers would be really cheap then. National parks would be razed, but hey, you can't have everything.

    https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/as-sa/97-550/vignettes/img/map-2006-pop-density-ontario-sz01-en.gif

    Or you could say that armed invasion and hostile military takeover is harsh, open, honest and essentially masculine in nature, whilst takeover by mass immigration is essentially cowardly, deceitful, dishonest and feminine in nature.

  124. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Nah, things are frankly just too good for whites right now.

    Yeah, we're getting swamped but a majority of whites live in all, or mostly white areas. Basically, the booming immigrant population lives in NEWLY constructed subdivisions, meaning that there is not always ethnic displacement happening on the neighborhood level.

    Most whites are living well, and are escaping the diversity for now. Of course, lots aren't, but they are a small portion of the overall total.

    Nobody will do or risk anything with such plentiful conditions, right now. But things are changing. Mainly in the attitudes of non whites (especially 2nd generation). They seem to have decided they hate whitey in the past year. And, eventually the ethnic displacement will come to a white area near you.

    Everybody thinks there is too much immigration, but nobody says anything.

    The country is already lost, look at Molyneux immigration rate chart he posted. Ontario is double California.

    Nah, things are frankly just too good for whites right now.

    Things are going very very well indeed for rich whites. They’re going very well for upper middle class whites. And those whites will continue to do well. In case you hadn’t noticed society is organised entirely for the benefit of the rich and the upper middle class.

    Things are not quite so bright for lower middle class whites but they’re not suffering in a major way yet.

    Things really really suck for working-class whites and rural whites. But rich whites and upper middle class whites don’t give a damn about those people and never will.

    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.

    Yes, this seems to be the biggest reason the UK can't manage Brexit.
    , @ben tillman

    Things are going very very well indeed for rich whites. They’re going very well for upper middle class whites.
     
    They're going much less well than they did previously.

    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.
     
    All whites are non-privileged, by law.
  125. @JMcG
    It pains me greatly to say this, but the majority in Ireland does in fact want it to stop being Ireland. The folks in the countryside probably don’t, but they’re convinced that their betters in the government ministries know best. Soon it will be too late.

    Not true from either polling data or my experience. The majority of foreigners in Ireland are there due to the EU so there is little to be done other than leave the EU and we can see how hard that is to be made. And we don’t know for sure if freedom of movement will be ended even in a no-deal Brexit.

    Every time there has been a vote on it, immigration loses in Ireland, even to the point of changing the constitution to remove pure jus soli. (Interestingly it still applies to all those who are ‘lawful permanent residents’, so it is a way American could alter it’s law to simply not apply to those on short-term visas or illegal immigrants while still not jus sanguine)

    It’s partly the speed (In the 22 and up age range, foreigners really don’t factor) and lack (So far) of many Muslims who tend to turbo-charge conflict. Also the lack of a political party which brings up the topic (Tied to the recentness of the issue) partly due to Sinn Fein not being able due to political aesthetics to address it and blocking the formation of a right wing nationalist party with that view from gaining much success. (There is the National Party, but they are quite new and will take time)

    Immigration isn’t popular anywhere.

  126. @Counterinsurgency

    The real-world problem remains though, that in Austria for example, the most (!) of the severe crimes like murder and rape, etc. are already committed by immigrants/migrants (this is one of the true wonders in the European public sphere these days: That Austria did indeed publish these numbers!).
     
    The real-world problem from the standpoint of EU governments is that they would fall tomorrow without the support of the foreigners they have imported and continue to feed, house, and clothe. In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election. Given the choice between winning the next election and having their descendants lose the country, they don't even see a choice. "What, after all, has posterity ever done for us?"

    If you want this to change, you will have to force the change. Ordinarily, this means abandoning representative government.

    Here's a bit of history: Oliver Cromwell's side deposed the king and tried to elect a responsible and representative parliament. His last attempt at that before becoming Protector (dictator in function) was the Barebone Parliament [1], also called the "Mad Parliament". Take a look at reference [1] and you can see why a step to absolute rule was Cromwell's only remaining move. You might see it again.
    The step to absolute rule was a variant on Parkinson's Injelititis [2] cure: Convert everything that you can to money, fire everybody, and use the money to re-start with completely new name, personnel, and physical plant. When everything is gone -- plant is worn out, buildnings too big and obsolete, personnel hopelessly convinced that intrigue is their only salvation [3], then Parkinson's cure is the only one left.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barebone%27s_Parliament

    2] https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-n6mqYo6d8uKz06xm/Parkinson-s-Law_djvu.txt
    then search for symbol string:
    Injelititis, or Palsied Paralysis

    3] "In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
    Hunter S. Thompson , Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (novel) , Part I, 9 (1971)

    Your references are now Thompson and Parkinson. A world first, maybe. nobody could accuse you of being not original.
    Did you have a look at my remarks to your Adorno-reference, in which you stated that the Authoritarian personality survey of the New School was a landmark in western thinking?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Dieter Kief


    Your references are now Thompson and Parkinson. A world first, maybe. nobody could accuse you of being not original.
    Did you have a look at my remarks to your Adorno-reference, in which you stated that the Authoritarian personality survey of the New School was a landmark in western thinking?
     
    Sorry, missed your reply and never did read it. Here it is, from the Unz archives of your comments:

    Wikipedia writes about the intellectuals in the mandarin-mode. That’s a bit outdated by now, isn’t it?

    I’m astonished, that you rank the Frankfurter’s Authoritarian Personality Study so high.

    Especially, since it is helplessly entangled in – not least – Adornos “Aporias of the subject-philosophy”, as Habermas put it quite nicely (that’s a serious counter-argument, that Habermas brings forward here against Adorno. I’m almost inclined to write: Dead serious).

    Erich Fromm too knew quite soon, that Adorno was on the wrong track and countered the latter’s critical absolutism not least with a (quite reasonable) defense of – authority. Fromm was much more read than Adorno – maybe not exactly by tenured professors, but otherwise, he had a much greater readership than Adorno.
     
    And here's a serious answer:

    My references are not intended for an academic audience, but rather to be accessible to a non-academic audience. If you want an academic equivalent to Parkinson's injelititis, you might find Meyer and Zucker's book [1] of interest. I should add that most of Parkinson's books on organization were adaptations of his PhD thesis, given the light touch for the mass market.

    Wikipedia is included as to give a quick introduction to the area for those who don't have any background in it. No, it's not very good, but it's generally considered a non-controversial site with fairly well known biases.

    I'm largely going from Bloom's _Closing_ [2], and a few other references about the importance of _The Authoritarian Personality_. Other than its effect on the political establishment of the time, it's not in itself interesting. It appears from descriptions to be a point and sputter book with a rigged study attached, but I've never given it serious consideration. It is a landmark in Western thinking only in that it was apparently accepted widely and acted upon. For this reason, and assuming it's a point and sputter book, it's a landmark in the decline of of Western thought.

    I did read one book by Erich Fromm back in the late 1960s. I wasn't impressed favorably; he's following Nietzsche in that he points and sputters also.

    You know, the people who drop in at unz.com occasionally and accuse everybody they don't like of every transgression they can think of are a lot like a cheap imitation of Nietzsche. No proof, just point, throw mud, and leave. His suggestion that all Western thought be abandoned and re-developed from the pre-Socratics was a lot like the "foundations of mathematics" being done around his time, but the foundations of mathematics didn't advise not using arithmetic while they built a foundation for it, and eventually they did build a foundation for it (which turned out not to have a foundation of its own, but even then they didn't advise abandoning arithmetic).

    As for Huntress Thompson, he's considered of literary quality [1]. He's great from capturing the common wisdom of his time, and pointing out the anomalies. Sort of a Tom Wolfe, but much further out on the fringes. And much of what he says is true in my experience, especially the Thompson quote I've used. (Of course, that's why Nietzsche was accepted also)

    As far as originality goes, that's what I do. I have the research credentials and published papers _and_ results needed to verify the claim. And I can tell you that it _really_ makes some people angry.

    Example: Any fiber stiffer than epoxy and embedded in an epoxy matrix to form a tube with spiral fibers will make the tube twist when you try to bend the tube perpendicular to its center axis. The very high spring constant of the carbon fiber makes this effect unusually large. If you put a lever on the end of the tube (perpendicular to the tube's central axis), and press down on the end of the lever with your thumb, then the tube bends down, twists, and the geometry of the tube will (if the lever is long enough) move your thumb up. Press harder, and your thumb moves up even more. Negative spring constant! The same sort of device can deliver infinite stiffness (press down as much as you like, your thumb stays in one place) until the tube breaks.
    This isn't my discovery, it's well known in wrapped carbon fiber structures. Once I had a full ME professor furious at me because I simply reported that I'd seen this on his campus. That's typical of the reaction to original results, true or false.

    So, yes I do original work. One of the reasons I write these messages is to try to flush out errors in my thinking, and that has happened a time or two. Another is to find a way to react to insanely hostile attacks, as the one from the ME Professor. (Turns out the place was run by thugs [4]. I later saw another full professor break down in hysteria because, after years of mistreatment by administrators after research money, he was given a teaching award and held up as an icon. Threw the award down and started screaming after the ceremony was over. And yet another full Professor who wrote a critical note to his Department head about completely fouling up in a research project, had to leave the institution. But the thug attitude is culture wide -- get the money and let the medics take care of the victim on the sidewalk). I have yet another original result to deliver at a professional conference next month, so I can use the practice and feedback.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Marshall W. Mejer and Lynne G. Zucker,
    _Permanently Failing Organizations_,
    SAGE Publications, Inc; 1 edition 2019/01/01.
    $96 for the hardcover; it's a book whose time has come. It's also the only serious book I've been able to find on the subject.

    2] Allan Bloom.
    _Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today's Students_.
    first publication: 1987

    3] If you want an early and more or less conventional book by Thompson, I can suggest:
    _Hell's Angels_
    which raised the question of why the American public became for a time so favorably inclined towards the Hell's Angels motorcycle club. Thompson was never quite able to answer that question, and went farther and farther from sanity trying to answer it, IMHO.

    4] See: Ron Unz's American Pravda on the influence of organized crime in American life:
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-power-of-organized-crime/
  127. @Nick Diaz
    No, the net result is NOT the same. Invading militaries have as their objective killing the enemy and taking their territory by force. You are using an obtuse analogy to make an argument. Immigrants come to work and live in a country and not to harm the citizens of the country, while agreeing to submit to the existing state and laws of the country they are immigrating to. This is *completely* different from a foreign military invasion, where the stated goal is to kill large numbers of the population of the country being invaded, while at the same time destroying the state, the laws and the way of living of the country they are invading and taking the territory by force. And please don't bring extreme outliers of immigrants that raped women or killed people to prove your point. That is beyond asinine and obtuse. Furthermore, we are talking about net effects here, and the net effect of immigration is positive.

    How are they displacing and extinguishing you? Are they invading your property and kicking you out? Have they killed you? That is not their stated goal; the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals and none are military invaders, but rather people that want to work to give themselves and their loved ones a better live. An immigrant that committs a crime is just a criminal and not representative of the vast majority of immigrants. And while an argument caan be made that if no immigrants were allowed that those crimes wouldn't have happened, that is akin to throwing the baby away with the bath water: the net contribution of immigrants far outweight the cons.

    How can you possibly state that you are being displaced and extinguihsed by immigrants, when all they are doing is working to better their lives and that of their loved ones?

    Are they invading your property and kicking you out?

    Is that the standard? Then it would be fine if they just invaded my property and didn’t kick me out, but just eroded my quality of life to the point I just left of my own accord?

    Immigrants come to work and live in a country and not to harm the citizens of the country,

    I couldn’t care less what they they think they are coming here to do. They are driving wages down and housing prices up. This remains the case regardless of their intentions.

    You see, I take my own side. I know you can’t stand that.

    (And BTW, invading armies do not come to kill large percentages of the population. That’s ridiculous. They often make it a point to avoid civilian casualties.)

    • Replies: @Nick Diaz
    "Is that the standard? Then it would be fine if they just invaded my property and didn’t kick me out, but just eroded my quality of life to the point I just left of my own accord"

    So what exactly is your standard? You are upset that they ccome to the country to work, live in their own houses and don't bother? This is your standard for feeling "displanced" and " extinguished"? You are pathetically prejudiced.

    "I couldn’t care less what they they think they are coming here to do. They are driving wages down and housing prices up. This remains the case regardless of their intentions."

    Ah, I get it: you are afraid of competition because you can't compete. Funny that the white people that are Harvard graduates and professional are not complaining about this. It's only the poorest and most uneducated white Americans complaining about this.

    "You see, I take my own side. I know you can’t stand that."

    You are right: I have a moral problem with racists like you. For once, we agree on something.

    "(And BTW, invading armies do not come to kill large percentages of the population. That’s ridiculous. They often make it a point to avoid civilian casualties.)"

    It depends. Genghis Khan usually murdered most of the civilian population. The Nazis did the same in Poland and Russia with their " lebensraum" policy.

    Regardless, my point stands: you cannot compare invading armies to immigration. One is hostile and causes tremendous damage and destruction to the country they are invading, and they *force* their rules and culture on the country they are invading. Conversely, immigrants for the most part are harmless(the few criiminals that get through do not disprove this), and they submit to the country's laws and customs, while invading armiess impose their on the country they are invading.

    Even when the invading army does not kill the native popuulation en mass, such as in the German occupation of France in WW2, they still impose their culture and laws on the invaded country. Apples and oranges.

  128. @Anonymous
    Look.

    Big EU honcho Franz Timmermans - called a 'Commissioner' but in reality an unelected, unanswerable, unaccountable dictator - is on *filmed record* berating the Hungarians for their scepticism regarding massive third world immigration. "It's the way of the future" , he lectured the Hungarians, "We will all inevitably end up mixed".

    *THIS* is what the EU is really all about. A shithead Economist dictator political class eager to impose their shithead dictator Economist vision upon the poor peasants of Europe. A vision that couldn't give a shit about the peasants, but coddles the darkies, the 'New Europeans'.

    That something new is happening with the mass-immigration adds to its “attractiveness”. I’m serious. Immigration is not least a cult of (intended) release – maybe even redemption.

  129. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship
     
    Poles are not Slavs and do not consider themselves as such.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.
     
    Complete ahistorical bullshit.

    If that was a "desperate pre-emptive strike" they would have started a few months earlier instead of helping Mussolini out in other parts of Europe. No, it was planned to be a leisurely "gonna be a cakewalk" expedition.

    Also, Soviets must have the first land army in the history of the World that gets its shit pushed in mercilessly (about 2000 miles or so) while having massive forces ready for attack. Yeah. They had to drop newly enrolled soldiers into the field with no weapons, trying to stop advancing Panzer III. Some "preparation for invasion".

    Now I'm not saying that it might not have happened in 1947 or earlier, but the Red Army was not ready in '41.

    A Soviet invasion of Germany in 1941 is not credible. I’m sure Hitler wasn’t losing sleep over that. However he would certainly have been worried about the possibility of a Russian invasion of the Balkans. Stalin had already invaded and annexed part of Romania while Germany was preoccupied elsewhere. This was a real danger which Hitler could not ignore. His forceful reaction to the British invasion of Greece and the coup in Yugoslavia also shows how important the Balkans were to him. Stalin was playing with fire by meddling in this region.

  130. @dfordoom

    Nah, things are frankly just too good for whites right now.
     
    Things are going very very well indeed for rich whites. They're going very well for upper middle class whites. And those whites will continue to do well. In case you hadn't noticed society is organised entirely for the benefit of the rich and the upper middle class.

    Things are not quite so bright for lower middle class whites but they're not suffering in a major way yet.

    Things really really suck for working-class whites and rural whites. But rich whites and upper middle class whites don't give a damn about those people and never will.

    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.

    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.

    Yes, this seems to be the biggest reason the UK can’t manage Brexit.

  131. @anonymous
    White "privilege": Having no right to a homeland for the safety and security your children. No right to cultural or demographic self-preservation. No right to borders ANYWHERE, not even in Europe!

    White "privilege" in South Africa: Watching your daughter and wife be gang raped, and your babies be boiled alive, before being gruesomely tortured to death with blowtorches, power drills, clothing irons, over a span of hours or even DAYS. This is not an exaggeration. It is happening RIGHT NOW.

    These are "gifts" for Whites ONLY.

    When they say "anti racist", they mean Anti White.
    When they say "diversity", they mean White G...

    White “privilege” in South Africa: Watching your daughter and wife be gang raped, and your babies be boiled alive, before being gruesomely tortured to death with blowtorches, power drills, clothing irons, over a span of hours or even DAYS. This is not an exaggeration. It is happening RIGHT NOW.

    I doubt this. I’ve briefly searched for ”child murdered in South Africa”, as you mentioned babies being boiled alive, which, I imagine, would unsurprisingly result in their deaths.

    The most I’ve found is:

    1) A story about a 3-year-old boy who got restrained, tortured and killed, allegedly by two older children. This happened a few months ago. I don’t know about the races of any of the kids.

    2) There’s another story of a 3-year-old girl who was tortured and killed, and her mother was found guilty while the grandmother was a suspect who died while awaiting trial. Their names were given: they don’t sound Boer, Afrikaner, English, Indian, or otherwise non-native to me, and an image search suggests they’re an indigenous South African family.

    3) There’s another story about a 3-year-old girl being tortured and killed by her mother, as well as by her father, and in this other case, the mother appears to be very much of European descent, and the father has a first name which suggests he’s of Boer/Afrikaner descent.

    Nothing about white babies being boiled alive by natives who took them from their parents and tortured them, too.

    Anyway, I’ll suspect you’re bullshitting until you provide evidence you’re not.

  132. @AnotherDad

    Except the issue here is that America is a mutt nation. And America does not mean exclusively or primarily “white”.
     
    No actually the issue "here" is Europe, that's what Steve's post is about.

    And as to America we are a "mutt" nation, but it's not a random collection of "people of the world". America is an Anglo protestant settler nation--along with Canada, Australia, New Zealand. (That's why it's nice.) And the population historically was a largely Germano-Celtic white core--built of a mix of people (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Dutch, German) who are themselves mixes of Celts and the later Germanic wave--and a black (historically 10-20%) minority who had nothing to do with driving the joint, and an even smaller, essentially irrelevant native minority.

    It's basically been a mixed outpost of Western Christendom--that's it's culture, it's "civilization"--not a world "mutt nation". Now, of course, there are more people from all over. Some who adapt well to traditonal American culture, many who do not. Whether it's even a "nation" in any real sense anymore is unclear.

    Mr. Sailer made a direct reference to America and immigration. That is what I am commenting about.

    As far as America is concerned, America was originally founded by different ethnic and religious groups from Europe, who each held specific grievances about one another.

    “built of a mix of people (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Dutch, German) who are themselves mixes of Celts and the later Germanic wave”

    Right, “mutts”. Thanks for agreeing.

    “an even smaller, essentially irrelevant native minority.”

    Native Americans were clearly relevant, as they were jackbooted for their land and resources.

    “It’s basically been a mixed outpost of Western Christendom–that’s it’s culture, it’s “civilization””

    Right, “mixed”. And it was an “outpost” of a blend of groups and faiths which eventually became a new “race”–American. The Founding Fathers enabled future generations to decide who is part of our nation, which observably exists today.

    “Some who adapt well to traditional American culture, many who do not.”

    Nativists were insistent that the second wave of Germans/Irish, as well as Poles, Italians, and Greeks lacked the skills required to assimilate. Were those nativists wrong?

    Of course, you are not taking into account that our traditions have changed as we have included “alien” groups. That is our history. That is our destiny.

  133. @216
    Germany could have built trucks instead of dreadnoughts.

    They'd have won. We'd probably be better off.

    “Germany could have built trucks instead of dreadnoughts. They’d have won. We’d probably be better off.”

    That is absolutely insane for you to say.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    Indeed, he's wrong.

    We'd not probably but certainly be better off.
  134. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Nah, things are frankly just too good for whites right now.

    Yeah, we're getting swamped but a majority of whites live in all, or mostly white areas. Basically, the booming immigrant population lives in NEWLY constructed subdivisions, meaning that there is not always ethnic displacement happening on the neighborhood level.

    Most whites are living well, and are escaping the diversity for now. Of course, lots aren't, but they are a small portion of the overall total.

    Nobody will do or risk anything with such plentiful conditions, right now. But things are changing. Mainly in the attitudes of non whites (especially 2nd generation). They seem to have decided they hate whitey in the past year. And, eventually the ethnic displacement will come to a white area near you.

    Everybody thinks there is too much immigration, but nobody says anything.

    The country is already lost, look at Molyneux immigration rate chart he posted. Ontario is double California.

    Race isn’t the main factor, class and education are. I freely admit that I don’t want to live in a bad, dysfunctional location, but I don’t want to live among the white underclass any more than I want to live among the black or immigrant underclass.

    If I had a choice between living in a neighbourhood filled with educated South and East Asian, African, White and mixed-race people, or living in an all-white, dying, trashy town in the North of England, I would choose the first option.

    That’s why, as a highly educated middle-class white, my closest neighbours include educated Syrian, Indian, Chinese and Pakistani families.

    • Replies: @216
    Have you tried morally shaming BAME into voting responsibly?
    , @Yngvar

    I freely admit that I don’t want to live in a bad, dysfunctional location, but I don’t want to live among the white underclass
     
    "You fucking cunt, you fucking shitstain! Solidarity goes only one way, wassit? You repel us, we repel you!"
    , @Counterinsurgency

    That’s why, as a highly educated middle-class white, my closest neighbours include educated Syrian, Indian, Chinese and Pakistani families.
     
    Maybe England is worse off than the US, but here living in poor Appalachia beats living in the cities or suburbs _if_ you have an income. The people are smarter (no joke), nicer, and a lot less of a threat. if whites get into trouble of any sort in a US city or suburb, they're toast -- the system takes you down if it can [1]. I rather imagine that the same is true in the UK, UK politics being what it is.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] That was the point of Tom Wolfe's _Bonfire of the Vanities_, and of "A Man Entire".
    , @bomag

    If I had a choice between living in a neighbourhood filled with educated South and East Asian, African, White and mixed-race people, or living in an all-white, dying, trashy town in the North of England, I would choose the first option.
     
    A bit of dissembling on your part: if we get to specify neighborhoods, almost everyone chooses educated White.

    When there are educated South and East Asians; Africans; and mixed-race people around, their dying, trashy co-ethnics are not far behind. And those tend to be far worse than your North England cohort.
  135. President Lukashenko build that wall!!!!!!

    Lukashenko explained the “closure” of the border of Belarus with Ukraine
    https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2019-09-03—lukashenko-explained-the-%22closure%22-of-the-border-of-belarus-with-ukraine-.HyPn62oBH.html

  136. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    > your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers

    There are things far more important than getting the lowest price on goods. America was able to survive, and indeed thrive, without minority labor in past.

    Your argument is fundamentally wrong, but unfortunately there are plenty of useful idiots who believe it.

  137. @Anon
    Wasn't there a pro-immigration poem on a plaque on the base of the Colossus of Rhodes? "Welcome ye weary travelers from Alexandria."

    Wasn’t there a pro-immigration poem on a plaque on the base of the Colossus of Rhodes? “Welcome ye weary travelers from Alexandria.”

    Is this true?

  138. @Logan
    You are entirely right.

    But if they'be been able to truly and sincerely view themselves as liberating the Slavs oppressed by the commies, they wouldn't have been Nazis, would they?

    But if they’be been able to truly and sincerely view themselves as liberating the Slavs oppressed by the commies, they wouldn’t have been Nazis, would they?

    Sure they would.

  139. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency
    Women turning against the current order is a fairly old phenomenon.

    When the current order breaks down (and not before), the same women will be hiding behind men, who won't offer them good terms but will protect them. Happens every time the breakdown isn't sever enough to kill everybody.

    Counterinsurgency

    Women turning against the current order is a fairly old phenomenon.

    I don’t understand this comment. The excerpts in the comment you are replying to seem to evidence women paying obeisance to the current order.

    Aside from that, what examples can you offer of women turning against the current order? Isn’t the more typical phenomenon that women align themselves with power?

    • Replies: @bomag

    Isn’t the more typical phenomenon that women align themselves with power?
     
    I guess he's saying that current women have used their political power and choice to choose flash and bling over true power. When true power eventually asserts itself, they will be under the thumb, and diminished.
  140. @Counterinsurgency

    The real-world problem remains though, that in Austria for example, the most (!) of the severe crimes like murder and rape, etc. are already committed by immigrants/migrants (this is one of the true wonders in the European public sphere these days: That Austria did indeed publish these numbers!).
     
    The real-world problem from the standpoint of EU governments is that they would fall tomorrow without the support of the foreigners they have imported and continue to feed, house, and clothe. In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election. Given the choice between winning the next election and having their descendants lose the country, they don't even see a choice. "What, after all, has posterity ever done for us?"

    If you want this to change, you will have to force the change. Ordinarily, this means abandoning representative government.

    Here's a bit of history: Oliver Cromwell's side deposed the king and tried to elect a responsible and representative parliament. His last attempt at that before becoming Protector (dictator in function) was the Barebone Parliament [1], also called the "Mad Parliament". Take a look at reference [1] and you can see why a step to absolute rule was Cromwell's only remaining move. You might see it again.
    The step to absolute rule was a variant on Parkinson's Injelititis [2] cure: Convert everything that you can to money, fire everybody, and use the money to re-start with completely new name, personnel, and physical plant. When everything is gone -- plant is worn out, buildnings too big and obsolete, personnel hopelessly convinced that intrigue is their only salvation [3], then Parkinson's cure is the only one left.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barebone%27s_Parliament

    2] https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-n6mqYo6d8uKz06xm/Parkinson-s-Law_djvu.txt
    then search for symbol string:
    Injelititis, or Palsied Paralysis

    3] "In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
    Hunter S. Thompson , Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (novel) , Part I, 9 (1971)

    The real-world problem from the standpoint of EU governments is that they would fall tomorrow without the support of the foreigners they have imported and continue to feed, house, and clothe.

    Why so? Please explain your reasoning in support of this conjecture.

  141. @Rosie

    I’ve said it many times before but i don’t think we can win without saying “separation”.
     
    And I don't think we can win without saying "White." Notice that using nonracial terminology ("our European way of life") fools noone and accomplishes nothing.

    The Europeans seem to think they can use their national ethnicities as a basis for their identity, but that won't work. It's far too easy to say that anyone who likes cafe au lait with their croissants is French and anyone who plays cricket is British.

    I’ve said it many times before but i don’t think we can win without saying “separation”.

    And I don’t think we can win without saying “White.” Notice that using nonracial terminology (“our European way of life”) fools noone and accomplishes nothing.

    The Europeans seem to think they can use their national ethnicities as a basis for their identity, but that won’t work. It’s far too easy to say that anyone who likes cafe au lait with their croissants is French and anyone who plays cricket is British.

    Rosie. I’m not afraid to say “white” … “White people should continue to exist in their nations.” There, said it.

    However, i’m interesting in actually winning. To win, we must win the propaganda war, basically a propaganda war in white people’s heads.

    Running around saying “white” doesn’t win. What can actually win is a claim that has emotional appeal and impact. A claim that appeals to universalism and taps the language of human rights and the language of environmentalism and preservationism can win.

    The world’s peoples are not a blob but have their unique races, ethnicities, cultures, nations–special and irreplaceable. These are being destroyed by immigration and globo-homogenizationism.
    And people have a *right* to live in the unique nation they were born in, according to their own culture, with its own norms, values, traditions and cultures.

    That sort of message can win. It is not directly “racist”. (Not that it won’t get called that.) It applies equally to Japanese or Jews or Ethiopians. It taps a bunch of values–identity, diversity, preservation, “human rights”–that are straight out of the liberal songbook. In fact, it is actually an ideology that is considerably more in tune with those values, than the globalist program with is actually destructive.

    If the goal here is to save the West, save whites people–their race and culture–that making this argument in terms of unique peoples, cultures and those people’s right to live in them and preserve them is the way to go. It’s the argument that can win.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Rosie

    If the goal here is to save the West, save whites people–their race and culture–that making this argument in terms of unique peoples, cultures and those people’s right to live in them and preserve them is the way to go. It’s the argument that can win.
     
    I don't disagree, but the truth of the matter is that most people are mostly fine with White immigrants. If you're ok with Polish plumbers but not Pakistani doctors, you're going to be called "racist."

    At some point, the taboo against White racial self-assertion is going to have to be confronted.
  142. @Anonymous

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally
     
    In Canada, it's not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada's national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country's social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor
     
    Immigrant pushback:

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1170331488044191744

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1172329509468524545

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. - Avnish Nanda, Everyone's Canada
     
    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht's piece as a "call to hatred".

    "Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate's greatest fuel," Govender tweeted. "Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!".
     
    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.
     
    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     

    Or if they are like American migrants to different states they will bring the very values they left their old state to escape from and turn the new state into a replica of the one they moved into…ie., New Yorkers who moved to Florida and start voting in RINOs and/or Democrats and California escapees to Texas and Colorado who then started voting in the same kinds of candidates from the loony left they fled from in the first place.

    So expect Muslims who move into Canada to begin imposing Sharia law and Venezuelans to want all kinds of free stuff from the government that is currently causing the collapse of their old state. I’m sure Asians will begin reforming similar patterns of behaviors…like I recently read people marry those who inflict suffering they are used to on them (as first inflicted on them by their parents)…

    Makes sense in a weird kind of way…

  143. If the goal here is to save the West, save whites people–their race and culture–that making this argument in terms of unique peoples, cultures and those people’s right to live in them and preserve them is the way to go. It’s the argument that can win.

    All true–but the argument cannot be shared when the mass media, universities, corporations, non-profits, and the wealthy whites are all on the other side–and determined to censor it if and when possible.

    It is hard to imagine this getting resolved by a polite discussion among civilized people.

  144. The great news is that Kharkov, in far eastern Ukraine, just had its first Pride parade!!!!! OMG! We’re uplifting them guys! They’re joining us in the civilised world!

    I’ve never felt more proud to be a citizen of Globohomo Economic Zone 12!

  145. @historicus
    Actually Poland had interned thousands of ethnic Germans and routinely killed fleeing German refugees at border crossings. We hear a lot about the supposed “Aryan superiority” of the Germans but not a word about the racist, nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship. With London’s worthless guarantee of military aid, the Polish General Staff had drawn up an attack plan they believed would see their army –the fourth largest in Europe- in Berlin in four weeks.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.

    Pan Slavism is a totally separate concept from individual Slavic nationalisms, it was never developed very far (as opposed to local nationalism which became very highly developed), and pretty much everybody saw what would happen if there was any kind of a para-governmental structure (ie, a certain particular country to the East would take over, by force, by size, argument about worthiness, or because the others were fighting).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They figured out that pan-Slavism would mean Russian rule, but also, even absent Russia, Slavs know that Slavs will never unite. Serbs hate Croats, this group hates that group, no one really likes Russians, Poles are not fond of anyone else that much, etc, etc. Catholic vs Orthodox is only one of many divides.

    Slavs are evolutionarily vulnerble to many group, jews are just the most successful at ti because of Slavic fault lines. The most rational Poles are those that came to America, Americanized their names and stayed out of rowhouse Chicago, Philly or Cleveland polka culture.
  146. @Anonymous
    Look.

    Big EU honcho Franz Timmermans - called a 'Commissioner' but in reality an unelected, unanswerable, unaccountable dictator - is on *filmed record* berating the Hungarians for their scepticism regarding massive third world immigration. "It's the way of the future" , he lectured the Hungarians, "We will all inevitably end up mixed".

    *THIS* is what the EU is really all about. A shithead Economist dictator political class eager to impose their shithead dictator Economist vision upon the poor peasants of Europe. A vision that couldn't give a shit about the peasants, but coddles the darkies, the 'New Europeans'.

    You are not wrong about the pernicious immigration strategy of the EU and the contempt the educated bureaucrats have for their social inferiors. Unfortunately that has very little to do with Brexit. It may be why people voted for Brexit, but it is not why a bunch of billionaires decided to fund the effort to leave.

  147. @El Dato

    nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship
     
    Poles are not Slavs and do not consider themselves as such.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.
     
    Complete ahistorical bullshit.

    If that was a "desperate pre-emptive strike" they would have started a few months earlier instead of helping Mussolini out in other parts of Europe. No, it was planned to be a leisurely "gonna be a cakewalk" expedition.

    Also, Soviets must have the first land army in the history of the World that gets its shit pushed in mercilessly (about 2000 miles or so) while having massive forces ready for attack. Yeah. They had to drop newly enrolled soldiers into the field with no weapons, trying to stop advancing Panzer III. Some "preparation for invasion".

    Now I'm not saying that it might not have happened in 1947 or earlier, but the Red Army was not ready in '41.

    Poles are not Slavs and do not consider themselves as such.

    After that howler you really should be too embarrassed to comment any further on anything. That is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have read on this site.

    • Agree: Herbert West
  148. @Rosie

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It’s surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.
     
    The end result is the same: displacement and extinction.

    And of course, they're not really "unarmed" are they? They have the whole law enforcement apparatus of the country to protect them.

    “The end result is the same: displacement and extinction.”

    White Americans seem to be doing fine: there are over 200 million of them. Are immigrants stopping white Americans from having kids? No. Are they actively hunting down and extrminating white Americans? No. Your point is completely asinine. Immigrants are not ” displacing” white Americans: you can live anywhere you want according to your means. Also, immigrants are not making whites go extinct. They would only be doing that if they were either killing white Americans or actively stopping white Americans from having kids, both of which are not true. And please don`t brring up tyhe example of extreme outlier criminals to prove your point. That is beyond obtuse and a terrible way to argue.

    “And of course, they’re not really “unarmed” are they? They have the whole law enforcement apparatus of the country to protect them”

    Which is also true for white people. So what is your point exactly? Immigrants have to obey the law like everybody else. If a white person kills an immigrant, they go to jail. True. But if an immigrant does that, they either get thrown in jail too or deported. So what is your point exactly? You have no point.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Are immigrants stopping white Americans from having kids?
     
    Simply by their being underpaid, they make it difficult for Americans to start families. They are also soaking up a lot of what little affordable housing there is.

    ...you can live anywhere you want according to your means.
     
    You qualifier says it all. Means are malleable.
  149. @Rosie

    Are they invading your property and kicking you out?
     
    Is that the standard? Then it would be fine if they just invaded my property and didn't kick me out, but just eroded my quality of life to the point I just left of my own accord?


    Immigrants come to work and live in a country and not to harm the citizens of the country,
     

    I couldn't care less what they they think they are coming here to do. They are driving wages down and housing prices up. This remains the case regardless of their intentions.

    You see, I take my own side. I know you can't stand that.

    (And BTW, invading armies do not come to kill large percentages of the population. That's ridiculous. They often make it a point to avoid civilian casualties.)

    “Is that the standard? Then it would be fine if they just invaded my property and didn’t kick me out, but just eroded my quality of life to the point I just left of my own accord”

    So what exactly is your standard? You are upset that they ccome to the country to work, live in their own houses and don’t bother? This is your standard for feeling “displanced” and ” extinguished”? You are pathetically prejudiced.

    “I couldn’t care less what they they think they are coming here to do. They are driving wages down and housing prices up. This remains the case regardless of their intentions.”

    Ah, I get it: you are afraid of competition because you can’t compete. Funny that the white people that are Harvard graduates and professional are not complaining about this. It’s only the poorest and most uneducated white Americans complaining about this.

    “You see, I take my own side. I know you can’t stand that.”

    You are right: I have a moral problem with racists like you. For once, we agree on something.

    “(And BTW, invading armies do not come to kill large percentages of the population. That’s ridiculous. They often make it a point to avoid civilian casualties.)”

    It depends. Genghis Khan usually murdered most of the civilian population. The Nazis did the same in Poland and Russia with their ” lebensraum” policy.

    Regardless, my point stands: you cannot compare invading armies to immigration. One is hostile and causes tremendous damage and destruction to the country they are invading, and they *force* their rules and culture on the country they are invading. Conversely, immigrants for the most part are harmless(the few criiminals that get through do not disprove this), and they submit to the country’s laws and customs, while invading armiess impose their on the country they are invading.

    Even when the invading army does not kill the native popuulation en mass, such as in the German occupation of France in WW2, they still impose their culture and laws on the invaded country. Apples and oranges.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    I take Rosie's side in this argument, Nick. If the end result is the same, the selection of means is irrelevant. In this case the end result is the destruction of habitat for tens, if not hundreds, of millions of Americans. You are right that it is a matter of competition, you are wrong that the Americans watching their habitat destroyed should not care, or don't have moral standing.
    , @Rosie

    Even when the invading army does not kill the native popuulation en mass, such as in the German occupation of France in WW2, they still impose their culture and laws on the invaded country. Apples and oranges.
     
    I am not bound by your narrow and self-serving definition of "invasion." You don't dictate the terms of the debate here.

    http://www.city-data.com/forum/work-employment/1928827-qualified-jobs-but-spanish-speaking-preferred.html

    , @epochehusserl
    Ah, I get it: you are afraid of competition because you can’t compete. Funny that the white people that are Harvard graduates and professional are not complaining about this. It’s only the poorest and most uneducated white Americans complaining about this.
    ------------------------------------
    There are 1.3 billion Indians and 1.3 billion Chinese. If all of the smart people in those countries came here to be educated and start a career it would most certainly harm all the native population including the smart population.
  150. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Like, uh … uh … the Aryan invasion of 2500 B.C. Or the Huns. Or the Saracens. Or the Ottomans"

    False equivalency: organized military invasions and immigration are not the same thing. It's surreal that I have to even point this out. Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.

    The worst thing is that Steve Sailer says this using a sarcastic tone, as if he were being clever, and have all of his sycophants agree with him.

    The problem with America and Europe is not too many immigrants, but a lack of them. The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million. The U.S still has one of the lowest demographic densities of any developed country, and even though some of the poorest Americans are hurt by immigrants competing with them for jobs, the net effect of immigration on living standards for most Americans is positive. I do not deny that mass immigration hurts the bottom 5-10% of native born Americans, but considering how hugely America benefits from immigration, there should be an alternative solution to the problems of America's most low skilled rather than shutting down the border.

    Steve Sailer is a hypocrite. I have said it before and I will say it again: the most dishonest and disingenuous aspect of Sailer's endless Catilinarians against immigration is that he benefits daily from mass immigration. The reason why Steve Sailer - and you miscreants reading this - is able to eat so cheaply, for instance, is because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job. If we were to pay what Sailer calls "decent wages" to native-born low-skilled labor, the costs of all goods and services. Do you really think that producers can pay, say, 4 X more to their workers without the added cost of labor being passed on to consumers? Are you guys THAT stupid? Aanbd what are "decent" wages anyway? Teh poorest Americans still ear 10 X more than most Third World workers for doing the same job. What they make is actually INdecent, as it is pure entitlement.

    Hey, Steve, if you truly believe what you are saying, then live an immigrant-free lifestyle. Buy your goods only from producers who hire only native-born Americans citizens, and from retailers that sell exclusively from those producers and have only native-born workers on their payroll. Also, don't ever got to the movies or to restaurants again, as they all use immigrant labor to keep the prices low for consumers. If you do go to the movies, you should insist on paying twice the price of admittance, to accurately reflect how much movie tickets would cost without immigrant labor. That is called being intellectually honest, something that you are certainly not.

    because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job.

    Their direct wages is only one part of the cost. What about social services that these immigrants receive? What about the subsidized medical care they receive in lieu of the employer paying them a liveable wage? Their employers are privatizing profits and socializing the costs. In the end we are paying for it in more ways than one.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Their employers are privatizing profits and socializing the costs. In the end we are paying for it in more ways than one.
     
    That's how most wealthy people got that way, one way or another.
  151. @Reg Cæsar

    Comparing invasions of professional armies, where the goal is clearly hostile, to kill the enemy and rob his territory with clear strategic goals, to unarmed people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves is ridiculous.
     
    You're right-- one is honest, one is sneaky. And more effective in the long run.

    Oh, and conquerors always follow up with immigration of their own. Ask any Indian, dot or feather.


    people coming to work and trying to make a better life for themselves
     
    So you admit their motives are mercenary.

    The economy would benefit immensely if America received 10 million immigrants a year instead of the current 1/1.5 million.
     
    Why stop at 10 million? Why not 100 million a year? We'd be China by 2030. Hell, at 10 million, we'd be China by 2119.

    Or just start with a controlled experiment. Ontario is empty, and open to immigration. Allowing just 30 million a year to that province would bring the density up to a robust Bangladeshi level of 3,000 per square mile, and 1.2 billion total, by 2050. We'll see how that works out.

    Dishwashers would be really cheap then. National parks would be razed, but hey, you can't have everything.

    https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/as-sa/97-550/vignettes/img/map-2006-pop-density-ontario-sz01-en.gif

    “You’re right– one is honest, one is sneaky. And more effective in the long run.
    Oh, and conquerors always follow up with immigration of their own. Ask any Indian, dot or feather.”

    No, it’s *completely* different. For starters, invading armies cocme willing to kill those who oppose them from the country they are invading. Secondly, they come with the intention to loot, to *take* the country they are invading and to impose their rules. Immigrants, conversely, ccome to work, and they submit to the rules and customs of the country they are immigrating too. The diffference is very obvious and very marked. I won’t even continue to debate this because it is retarded.

    And people entering conquered countries from the countries that conquered them is *not* equivalent to immigrants! Were the German colonists in Germman-occupied Poland the same as immigrants? Of course not. They had a privileged status compared to the native Poles who were pretty much the slaves of the Germans. The two things are *NOT* comparable. Case closed.

    “So you admit their motives are mercenary.”

    Just like any other immigrant group. Trying to give a negative conotation to the word “mercenary” to make an argument is ridicculous. If you mean by mercenary wanting to get richer for themselves and their loved ones, then they are no more mercenary than the immigrants that came to America from Englang, Germany, Irreland, etc. Do you think those immigrants didn’t come to America because they wanted a better life? The primary motivation of European immigrants who came to America, with the possible exception of the Plgrims who were fleeing religious persecution, was ecconomic. If you want to make a huge deal of the word ” mercenary”, which in this case is a completetely harmless term, and argue that immigrants should be kicked out because of it, then 90% of the white people in America should be kicked out too because their intentions in coming to America was primarilly economic.

    “Why stop at 10 million? Why not 100 million a year? We’d be China by 2030. Hell, at 10 million, we’d be China by 2119.”

    Because resources are not infinite, and even though immigrants benefit America immensely, it comes a point that it becomes excessive. You are making this an “either” “or” isdsue, when in reality degrees matter. Myy point is that America is still benefitting from immigration, and it could benefit from hundreds of millions more. Even iff America were to receive 500 million more immigrants, it would still be more underpopulated than China. Immigration would only be a problem if we are talking about several billion. At this point, America needs more immigrants.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    then they are no more mercenary than the immigrants that came to America from Englang, Germany, Irreland, etc. Do you think those immigrants didn’t come to America because they wanted a better life?
     
    It doesn't matter. All that matters is that they were White.

    (See what I mean, AnotherDad.)
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Do you think those immigrants didn’t come to America because they wanted a better life?
     
    The price was much higher then.

    Because resources are not infinite, and even though immigrants benefit America immensely, it comes a point that it becomes excessive.
     
    We are saying the same thing, but we're supposed to believe it's racist coming from us, but not from you. A Hillary-of-Chappaqua argument if there ever was one.

    Standards are inherently racist, so don't claim yours are better than ours.

    be more underpopulated
     
    Overpopulated and overpopulated are subjective terms. Your subjectivity is no different from ours.

    ...because they wanted a better life?
     
    So do we. Why do their wants trump ours?

    ...and they submit to the rules and customs of the country they are immigrating too.
     
    Progressives call that expectation racist-- and they're right. Why should people have to give up the customs they've held for thousands of years? African clitoridectomy never bothered us when it was done in Africa; why would it here? I had dozens of African neighbors in the city, and never felt any need to inquire about how they brought up their daughters.

    (Unlike progressives, I was willing to live next door to the people they invited into the country. Not that I had much of a choice.)

    Hey, how about giving US citizenship to everyone between the Rio Grande and the Amazon? They could all come to California, Texas, or Florida and expand the economy.

    Or to every member of the Arab League?

    When they vote to outlaw alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and to establish a state church, or mosque depending on the state, well, that's democracy in action.
    , @Anonymous
    Of course, if the *entirety* of Mexico and the central American states all decided to decamp to the USA - as undoubtedly they want to, and you want them to - in the fullness of time, the USA would, of course, transform into Mexico.2, in terms of people, culture, living standards, crime, disorder, murder rate etc etc. Precisely what Mexicans *chose* to flee from.
    So, unlimited central American immigration into the USA ultimately defeats its own object. So, rationally, you should oppose it.
  152. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Pan Slavism is a totally separate concept from individual Slavic nationalisms, it was never developed very far (as opposed to local nationalism which became very highly developed), and pretty much everybody saw what would happen if there was any kind of a para-governmental structure (ie, a certain particular country to the East would take over, by force, by size, argument about worthiness, or because the others were fighting).

    They figured out that pan-Slavism would mean Russian rule, but also, even absent Russia, Slavs know that Slavs will never unite. Serbs hate Croats, this group hates that group, no one really likes Russians, Poles are not fond of anyone else that much, etc, etc. Catholic vs Orthodox is only one of many divides.

    Slavs are evolutionarily vulnerble to many group, jews are just the most successful at ti because of Slavic fault lines. The most rational Poles are those that came to America, Americanized their names and stayed out of rowhouse Chicago, Philly or Cleveland polka culture.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Jewish evolutionary strategy (if it exists [Jack, tell Steve not to eat my comment, please!]) is a higher-IQ specialization of Semitic tribalism which precedes anything Western by millennia. Per the Bible it had its share of Slavic style brother-against-brother stupidity. And as far as it exploiting Slavic fault lines -- well, the Ottoman definitely did, but I would suggest a look at Polish history, especially the period of the "Paradise of the Jews," which didn't really entail anybody but Poles, Litvaks, and Ukrainians, who at the time were the same state.
  153. @istevefan

    because your produce is picked by Mexican immigrants that charge much less for their labor than native-born workers, as well as why you pay what you do at restaurants, as the Mexican waiters charge much less than native-born Americans would to do the same job.
     
    Their direct wages is only one part of the cost. What about social services that these immigrants receive? What about the subsidized medical care they receive in lieu of the employer paying them a liveable wage? Their employers are privatizing profits and socializing the costs. In the end we are paying for it in more ways than one.

    Their employers are privatizing profits and socializing the costs. In the end we are paying for it in more ways than one.

    That’s how most wealthy people got that way, one way or another.

  154. One of our UK colleagues needs to discuss what happened at the Last Night of the Proms. Singing “Rule Britannia” while waving the rainbow and EU flags.

    In an earlier era, the BBC would have used the moment to unify a deeply divided country. Not now though. In our era, the job of a national state broadcaster is to get a concert hall full of well-off metropolitans to rub the nose of other half of the country in their political impotence:

  155. @Anonymous
    They figured out that pan-Slavism would mean Russian rule, but also, even absent Russia, Slavs know that Slavs will never unite. Serbs hate Croats, this group hates that group, no one really likes Russians, Poles are not fond of anyone else that much, etc, etc. Catholic vs Orthodox is only one of many divides.

    Slavs are evolutionarily vulnerble to many group, jews are just the most successful at ti because of Slavic fault lines. The most rational Poles are those that came to America, Americanized their names and stayed out of rowhouse Chicago, Philly or Cleveland polka culture.

    Jewish evolutionary strategy (if it exists [Jack, tell Steve not to eat my comment, please!]) is a higher-IQ specialization of Semitic tribalism which precedes anything Western by millennia. Per the Bible it had its share of Slavic style brother-against-brother stupidity. And as far as it exploiting Slavic fault lines — well, the Ottoman definitely did, but I would suggest a look at Polish history, especially the period of the “Paradise of the Jews,” which didn’t really entail anybody but Poles, Litvaks, and Ukrainians, who at the time were the same state.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Slavic fault lines" in the PLC ended up getting a lot of Jews killed in the 17th century, so if creating them was a Jewish strategy it was a very bad one.
  156. @AnotherDad


    I’ve said it many times before but i don’t think we can win without saying “separation”.
     
    And I don’t think we can win without saying “White.” Notice that using nonracial terminology (“our European way of life”) fools noone and accomplishes nothing.

    The Europeans seem to think they can use their national ethnicities as a basis for their identity, but that won’t work. It’s far too easy to say that anyone who likes cafe au lait with their croissants is French and anyone who plays cricket is British.
     
    Rosie. I'm not afraid to say "white" ... "White people should continue to exist in their nations." There, said it.

    However, i'm interesting in actually winning. To win, we must win the propaganda war, basically a propaganda war in white people's heads.

    Running around saying "white" doesn't win. What can actually win is a claim that has emotional appeal and impact. A claim that appeals to universalism and taps the language of human rights and the language of environmentalism and preservationism can win.

    The world's peoples are not a blob but have their unique races, ethnicities, cultures, nations--special and irreplaceable. These are being destroyed by immigration and globo-homogenizationism.
    And people have a *right* to live in the unique nation they were born in, according to their own culture, with its own norms, values, traditions and cultures.

    That sort of message can win. It is not directly "racist". (Not that it won't get called that.) It applies equally to Japanese or Jews or Ethiopians. It taps a bunch of values--identity, diversity, preservation, "human rights"--that are straight out of the liberal songbook. In fact, it is actually an ideology that is considerably more in tune with those values, than the globalist program with is actually destructive.

    If the goal here is to save the West, save whites people--their race and culture--that making this argument in terms of unique peoples, cultures and those people's right to live in them and preserve them is the way to go. It's the argument that can win.

    If the goal here is to save the West, save whites people–their race and culture–that making this argument in terms of unique peoples, cultures and those people’s right to live in them and preserve them is the way to go. It’s the argument that can win.

    I don’t disagree, but the truth of the matter is that most people are mostly fine with White immigrants. If you’re ok with Polish plumbers but not Pakistani doctors, you’re going to be called “racist.”

    At some point, the taboo against White racial self-assertion is going to have to be confronted.

  157. @Nick Diaz
    "The end result is the same: displacement and extinction."

    White Americans seem to be doing fine: there are over 200 million of them. Are immigrants stopping white Americans from having kids? No. Are they actively hunting down and extrminating white Americans? No. Your point is completely asinine. Immigrants are not " displacing" white Americans: you can live anywhere you want according to your means. Also, immigrants are not making whites go extinct. They would only be doing that if they were either killing white Americans or actively stopping white Americans from having kids, both of which are not true. And please don`t brring up tyhe example of extreme outlier criminals to prove your point. That is beyond obtuse and a terrible way to argue.

    "And of course, they’re not really “unarmed” are they? They have the whole law enforcement apparatus of the country to protect them"

    Which is also true for white people. So what is your point exactly? Immigrants have to obey the law like everybody else. If a white person kills an immigrant, they go to jail. True. But if an immigrant does that, they either get thrown in jail too or deported. So what is your point exactly? You have no point.

    Are immigrants stopping white Americans from having kids?

    Simply by their being underpaid, they make it difficult for Americans to start families. They are also soaking up a lot of what little affordable housing there is.

    …you can live anywhere you want according to your means.

    You qualifier says it all. Means are malleable.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Rosie

    Simply by their being underpaid, they make it difficult for Americans to start families. They are also soaking up a lot of what little affordable housing there is.
     
    People like Nick Diaz want to snooker Whites into believing that we have no legitimate interests that conflict with the interests of non-White immigrants.
    , @Nick Diaz
    "Simply by their being underpaid, they make it difficult for Americans to start families. They are also soaking up a lot of what little affordable housing there is."

    First off all, the doesen't involve coercion, whcih was my point from the start. Immigrants are not forcefully castrating white people or stopping them from procreating at gun point. Secondly, why aren't wealthy white people such as professionals and the college-educated complaining about this? You are basically saying that white Americans for the most part are so pathetic they they can't compete with immigrants for jobs, which hinders their ability to start families. And yet, then you gon on to claim that Latinos immigrants shouldn`t be allowed in America because they are less intelligent than white people. So, which is it? Because you can't havew it both ways.
  158. @Nick Diaz
    "Is that the standard? Then it would be fine if they just invaded my property and didn’t kick me out, but just eroded my quality of life to the point I just left of my own accord"

    So what exactly is your standard? You are upset that they ccome to the country to work, live in their own houses and don't bother? This is your standard for feeling "displanced" and " extinguished"? You are pathetically prejudiced.

    "I couldn’t care less what they they think they are coming here to do. They are driving wages down and housing prices up. This remains the case regardless of their intentions."

    Ah, I get it: you are afraid of competition because you can't compete. Funny that the white people that are Harvard graduates and professional are not complaining about this. It's only the poorest and most uneducated white Americans complaining about this.

    "You see, I take my own side. I know you can’t stand that."

    You are right: I have a moral problem with racists like you. For once, we agree on something.

    "(And BTW, invading armies do not come to kill large percentages of the population. That’s ridiculous. They often make it a point to avoid civilian casualties.)"

    It depends. Genghis Khan usually murdered most of the civilian population. The Nazis did the same in Poland and Russia with their " lebensraum" policy.

    Regardless, my point stands: you cannot compare invading armies to immigration. One is hostile and causes tremendous damage and destruction to the country they are invading, and they *force* their rules and culture on the country they are invading. Conversely, immigrants for the most part are harmless(the few criiminals that get through do not disprove this), and they submit to the country's laws and customs, while invading armiess impose their on the country they are invading.

    Even when the invading army does not kill the native popuulation en mass, such as in the German occupation of France in WW2, they still impose their culture and laws on the invaded country. Apples and oranges.

    I take Rosie’s side in this argument, Nick. If the end result is the same, the selection of means is irrelevant. In this case the end result is the destruction of habitat for tens, if not hundreds, of millions of Americans. You are right that it is a matter of competition, you are wrong that the Americans watching their habitat destroyed should not care, or don’t have moral standing.

  159. @Nick Diaz
    "You’re right– one is honest, one is sneaky. And more effective in the long run.
    Oh, and conquerors always follow up with immigration of their own. Ask any Indian, dot or feather."

    No, it's *completely* different. For starters, invading armies cocme willing to kill those who oppose them from the country they are invading. Secondly, they come with the intention to loot, to *take* the country they are invading and to impose their rules. Immigrants, conversely, ccome to work, and they submit to the rules and customs of the country they are immigrating too. The diffference is very obvious and very marked. I won't even continue to debate this because it is retarded.

    And people entering conquered countries from the countries that conquered them is *not* equivalent to immigrants! Were the German colonists in Germman-occupied Poland the same as immigrants? Of course not. They had a privileged status compared to the native Poles who were pretty much the slaves of the Germans. The two things are *NOT* comparable. Case closed.

    "So you admit their motives are mercenary."

    Just like any other immigrant group. Trying to give a negative conotation to the word "mercenary" to make an argument is ridicculous. If you mean by mercenary wanting to get richer for themselves and their loved ones, then they are no more mercenary than the immigrants that came to America from Englang, Germany, Irreland, etc. Do you think those immigrants didn't come to America because they wanted a better life? The primary motivation of European immigrants who came to America, with the possible exception of the Plgrims who were fleeing religious persecution, was ecconomic. If you want to make a huge deal of the word " mercenary", which in this case is a completetely harmless term, and argue that immigrants should be kicked out because of it, then 90% of the white people in America should be kicked out too because their intentions in coming to America was primarilly economic.

    "Why stop at 10 million? Why not 100 million a year? We’d be China by 2030. Hell, at 10 million, we’d be China by 2119."

    Because resources are not infinite, and even though immigrants benefit America immensely, it comes a point that it becomes excessive. You are making this an "either" "or" isdsue, when in reality degrees matter. Myy point is that America is still benefitting from immigration, and it could benefit from hundreds of millions more. Even iff America were to receive 500 million more immigrants, it would still be more underpopulated than China. Immigration would only be a problem if we are talking about several billion. At this point, America needs more immigrants.

    then they are no more mercenary than the immigrants that came to America from Englang, Germany, Irreland, etc. Do you think those immigrants didn’t come to America because they wanted a better life?

    It doesn’t matter. All that matters is that they were White.

    (See what I mean, AnotherDad.)

    • Replies: @Nick Diaz
    So at least you admit to being a racist. Yes, our discussion is over.
  160. @Reg Cæsar

    Are immigrants stopping white Americans from having kids?
     
    Simply by their being underpaid, they make it difficult for Americans to start families. They are also soaking up a lot of what little affordable housing there is.

    ...you can live anywhere you want according to your means.
     
    You qualifier says it all. Means are malleable.

    Simply by their being underpaid, they make it difficult for Americans to start families. They are also soaking up a lot of what little affordable housing there is.

    People like Nick Diaz want to snooker Whites into believing that we have no legitimate interests that conflict with the interests of non-White immigrants.

  161. @Nick Diaz
    "Is that the standard? Then it would be fine if they just invaded my property and didn’t kick me out, but just eroded my quality of life to the point I just left of my own accord"

    So what exactly is your standard? You are upset that they ccome to the country to work, live in their own houses and don't bother? This is your standard for feeling "displanced" and " extinguished"? You are pathetically prejudiced.

    "I couldn’t care less what they they think they are coming here to do. They are driving wages down and housing prices up. This remains the case regardless of their intentions."

    Ah, I get it: you are afraid of competition because you can't compete. Funny that the white people that are Harvard graduates and professional are not complaining about this. It's only the poorest and most uneducated white Americans complaining about this.

    "You see, I take my own side. I know you can’t stand that."

    You are right: I have a moral problem with racists like you. For once, we agree on something.

    "(And BTW, invading armies do not come to kill large percentages of the population. That’s ridiculous. They often make it a point to avoid civilian casualties.)"

    It depends. Genghis Khan usually murdered most of the civilian population. The Nazis did the same in Poland and Russia with their " lebensraum" policy.

    Regardless, my point stands: you cannot compare invading armies to immigration. One is hostile and causes tremendous damage and destruction to the country they are invading, and they *force* their rules and culture on the country they are invading. Conversely, immigrants for the most part are harmless(the few criiminals that get through do not disprove this), and they submit to the country's laws and customs, while invading armiess impose their on the country they are invading.

    Even when the invading army does not kill the native popuulation en mass, such as in the German occupation of France in WW2, they still impose their culture and laws on the invaded country. Apples and oranges.

    Even when the invading army does not kill the native popuulation en mass, such as in the German occupation of France in WW2, they still impose their culture and laws on the invaded country. Apples and oranges.

    I am not bound by your narrow and self-serving definition of “invasion.” You don’t dictate the terms of the debate here.

    http://www.city-data.com/forum/work-employment/1928827-qualified-jobs-but-spanish-speaking-preferred.html

    • Replies: @Nick Diaz
    "I am not bound by your narrow and self-serving definition of “invasion.” You don’t dictate the terms of the debate here. "

    Actually, there is a very clear definition of what a military invasion is, and it is completely diffferent from immigration. Just because you don't like it, it doesen't mean that it isn't true. And it is not me who deffine the terms, but the dictionary and encyclopedias. Again, just because you don't like it doesen't mean that it isn't true.
  162. @Nick Diaz
    "You’re right– one is honest, one is sneaky. And more effective in the long run.
    Oh, and conquerors always follow up with immigration of their own. Ask any Indian, dot or feather."

    No, it's *completely* different. For starters, invading armies cocme willing to kill those who oppose them from the country they are invading. Secondly, they come with the intention to loot, to *take* the country they are invading and to impose their rules. Immigrants, conversely, ccome to work, and they submit to the rules and customs of the country they are immigrating too. The diffference is very obvious and very marked. I won't even continue to debate this because it is retarded.

    And people entering conquered countries from the countries that conquered them is *not* equivalent to immigrants! Were the German colonists in Germman-occupied Poland the same as immigrants? Of course not. They had a privileged status compared to the native Poles who were pretty much the slaves of the Germans. The two things are *NOT* comparable. Case closed.

    "So you admit their motives are mercenary."

    Just like any other immigrant group. Trying to give a negative conotation to the word "mercenary" to make an argument is ridicculous. If you mean by mercenary wanting to get richer for themselves and their loved ones, then they are no more mercenary than the immigrants that came to America from Englang, Germany, Irreland, etc. Do you think those immigrants didn't come to America because they wanted a better life? The primary motivation of European immigrants who came to America, with the possible exception of the Plgrims who were fleeing religious persecution, was ecconomic. If you want to make a huge deal of the word " mercenary", which in this case is a completetely harmless term, and argue that immigrants should be kicked out because of it, then 90% of the white people in America should be kicked out too because their intentions in coming to America was primarilly economic.

    "Why stop at 10 million? Why not 100 million a year? We’d be China by 2030. Hell, at 10 million, we’d be China by 2119."

    Because resources are not infinite, and even though immigrants benefit America immensely, it comes a point that it becomes excessive. You are making this an "either" "or" isdsue, when in reality degrees matter. Myy point is that America is still benefitting from immigration, and it could benefit from hundreds of millions more. Even iff America were to receive 500 million more immigrants, it would still be more underpopulated than China. Immigration would only be a problem if we are talking about several billion. At this point, America needs more immigrants.

    Do you think those immigrants didn’t come to America because they wanted a better life?

    The price was much higher then.

    Because resources are not infinite, and even though immigrants benefit America immensely, it comes a point that it becomes excessive.

    We are saying the same thing, but we’re supposed to believe it’s racist coming from us, but not from you. A Hillary-of-Chappaqua argument if there ever was one.

    Standards are inherently racist, so don’t claim yours are better than ours.

    be more underpopulated

    Overpopulated and overpopulated are subjective terms. Your subjectivity is no different from ours.

    …because they wanted a better life?

    So do we. Why do their wants trump ours?

    …and they submit to the rules and customs of the country they are immigrating too.

    Progressives call that expectation racist– and they’re right. Why should people have to give up the customs they’ve held for thousands of years? African clitoridectomy never bothered us when it was done in Africa; why would it here? I had dozens of African neighbors in the city, and never felt any need to inquire about how they brought up their daughters.

    (Unlike progressives, I was willing to live next door to the people they invited into the country. Not that I had much of a choice.)

    Hey, how about giving US citizenship to everyone between the Rio Grande and the Amazon? They could all come to California, Texas, or Florida and expand the economy.

    Or to every member of the Arab League?

    When they vote to outlaw alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and to establish a state church, or mosque depending on the state, well, that’s democracy in action.

    • Replies: @Nick Diaz
    "The price was much higher then."

    The price for what? Stop beating around the bushes and spell out what you mean. Regardless, European immigrants came to America for the *exact* reason what Latino and other Third World immigrants come to America: because the standard of living is higher and the cost of living lower than what it was in Europe back in 19th century. Even though Europe was more advanced both scientifically and culturally than the U.S back in the 1800's, America already enjoyed a higher standard of living. Don't pretend like European immigrants to America came for more altruistic reasons than the current immigrants because it is not true. They were selfishly looking out for themselves and their own.

    "We are saying the same thing, but we’re supposed to believe it’s racist coming from us, but not from you. A Hillary-of-Chappaqua argument if there ever was one.
    Standards are inherently racist, so don’t claim yours are better than ours"

    Wrong. We are not alike at all. The difference between me and you is that I do not want immigration policy based on ethnic and national consideration. *You* are racist, not me. And my argument is that, even though immigration cannot go on indefinitely and infinitely, America is still far away from reaching that point. America can comfortably receive another 500-800 million immigrants before the costs of immigration exceed the benefits.

    "Progressives call that expectation racist– and they’re right. Why should people have to give up the customs they’ve held for thousands of years?"

    It is not racist, and don't pigeonhold me with supposed liberals who believe that. They have to conform for the same reason why all other immigrant groups that came before had to conform, because immigrants have to adapt to the country they are immigrating to. I certainly don`t disagree that immigrants must agree to the laws and language of t the countries they are immigrating into. I never disputed that, so don't come up with some straw man. I am Latino, and yet I communicate in English even though I only learned the language as a teen - I was born in America, but grew elsewhere.

    " I had dozens of African neighbors in the city, and never felt any need to inquire about how they brought up their daughters"

    Well, Americans routinely mutilate their sons by circumcision as soon as they are born, something that white Europeans abhor and consider barbaric. And you guys are supposedly of the same "race". So trying to argue that "race" somehow makes it impossible for different "races" to live together because culture is the product of race is clearly wrong. I mean, you white people have gone to war multiple times for cultural differences, such as religion. This clearly shows that culture is adaptable and not the product of race, and that immigrants can absolutely adept to Western values.

    "Hey, how about giving US citizenship to everyone between the Rio Grande and the Amazon? They could all come to California, Texas, or Florida and expand the economy.
    Or to every member of the Arab League?"

    Why instead of thinking in terms of race and nationality like you do, we instead allow worthy people in regardless of their racial aand cultural background? Mexicans who are good people with no criminal backgrounds and/or college educated? Good. Mexicans who are members of the Sinaloaa Cartel? Bad, entrance denied. Moderate Muslims who are college educated? Good. Members of Al Quaeda? Bad, entrance deined. Agaiin, not a difficult concept to understand. For instance, there is a Muslim community in France that has been living there for over 300 years, and they are model citizens. In fact, they are overepresented among professionals such as doctors aand lawyers. Immigration should be based on individual merit and not ethnic or cultural background. Furthermore, I never said I agreed with boundless immigration. Hence, giving American citizenship to entire continents is certainly not something that I would ever agree or condone.

    "When they vote to outlaw alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and to establish a state church, or mosque depending on the state, well, that’s democracy in action."

    I have no problem with Muslims worshipping Alah as long as they don't force their religion on others. You have a point when it comes to radical Muslims who want to impose Sharia law and an Islamic state, but the number of those have been greatly exaggerated by white nationalists and such to make their case. If a girl in France wants to wear the veil voluntarilly, it is one thing but if Muslims want to impose that on others then it is not ok. I certainly do not condone that, and that is why I think religious radicals should be barred bvy immigration laws. I never stated that antone should be aallowed into the country.

  163. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    When they vote to outlaw alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and to establish a state church, or mosque depending on the state, well, that’s democracy in action.

    Alcohol is a no no per the Koran, but Muslims smoke like chimneys and they like guns (and anything else that goes kaboom).

  164. @Rosie

    then they are no more mercenary than the immigrants that came to America from Englang, Germany, Irreland, etc. Do you think those immigrants didn’t come to America because they wanted a better life?
     
    It doesn't matter. All that matters is that they were White.

    (See what I mean, AnotherDad.)

    So at least you admit to being a racist. Yes, our discussion is over.

    • LOL: Rosie
  165. @Rosie

    Even when the invading army does not kill the native popuulation en mass, such as in the German occupation of France in WW2, they still impose their culture and laws on the invaded country. Apples and oranges.
     
    I am not bound by your narrow and self-serving definition of "invasion." You don't dictate the terms of the debate here.

    http://www.city-data.com/forum/work-employment/1928827-qualified-jobs-but-spanish-speaking-preferred.html

    “I am not bound by your narrow and self-serving definition of “invasion.” You don’t dictate the terms of the debate here. ”

    Actually, there is a very clear definition of what a military invasion is, and it is completely diffferent from immigration. Just because you don’t like it, it doesen’t mean that it isn’t true. And it is not me who deffine the terms, but the dictionary and encyclopedias. Again, just because you don’t like it doesen’t mean that it isn’t true.

    • Replies: @216
    Your whole act is subversion, weaseling out of your devastation caused by the perma-blue status of California.

    It is our Alsace-Lorraine, sir.

    And the Prussians at least had the dignitity to take it by force, not by deception.
    , @Rosie

    Actually, there is a very clear definition of what a military invasion
     
    Noone said it was a "military invasion."

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion
    , @ben tillman
    It is a military invasion, carried out under cover of the military of the USA. Try stopping it, and you will see the military force behind it..
  166. @Reg Cæsar

    Are immigrants stopping white Americans from having kids?
     
    Simply by their being underpaid, they make it difficult for Americans to start families. They are also soaking up a lot of what little affordable housing there is.

    ...you can live anywhere you want according to your means.
     
    You qualifier says it all. Means are malleable.

    “Simply by their being underpaid, they make it difficult for Americans to start families. They are also soaking up a lot of what little affordable housing there is.”

    First off all, the doesen’t involve coercion, whcih was my point from the start. Immigrants are not forcefully castrating white people or stopping them from procreating at gun point. Secondly, why aren’t wealthy white people such as professionals and the college-educated complaining about this? You are basically saying that white Americans for the most part are so pathetic they they can’t compete with immigrants for jobs, which hinders their ability to start families. And yet, then you gon on to claim that Latinos immigrants shouldn`t be allowed in America because they are less intelligent than white people. So, which is it? Because you can’t havew it both ways.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Because you can’t havew it both ways.
     
    Yes we can.

    We don't want Hispanic immigrants because they don't earn enough to support a First world standard of living. Greedy employers pay them unlivable wages and stick the taxpayer with the bill for subsidizing their cheap labor.

    We don't want Asian immigrants because they take middle-class jobs from our own kids, often after receiving their education for a fraction of what our own students pay. When they are educated in the US, they take the pressure off colleges and universities to keep prices in line with what people can afford.
  167. @Reg Cæsar

    Do you think those immigrants didn’t come to America because they wanted a better life?
     
    The price was much higher then.

    Because resources are not infinite, and even though immigrants benefit America immensely, it comes a point that it becomes excessive.
     
    We are saying the same thing, but we're supposed to believe it's racist coming from us, but not from you. A Hillary-of-Chappaqua argument if there ever was one.

    Standards are inherently racist, so don't claim yours are better than ours.

    be more underpopulated
     
    Overpopulated and overpopulated are subjective terms. Your subjectivity is no different from ours.

    ...because they wanted a better life?
     
    So do we. Why do their wants trump ours?

    ...and they submit to the rules and customs of the country they are immigrating too.
     
    Progressives call that expectation racist-- and they're right. Why should people have to give up the customs they've held for thousands of years? African clitoridectomy never bothered us when it was done in Africa; why would it here? I had dozens of African neighbors in the city, and never felt any need to inquire about how they brought up their daughters.

    (Unlike progressives, I was willing to live next door to the people they invited into the country. Not that I had much of a choice.)

    Hey, how about giving US citizenship to everyone between the Rio Grande and the Amazon? They could all come to California, Texas, or Florida and expand the economy.

    Or to every member of the Arab League?

    When they vote to outlaw alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and to establish a state church, or mosque depending on the state, well, that's democracy in action.

    “The price was much higher then.”

    The price for what? Stop beating around the bushes and spell out what you mean. Regardless, European immigrants came to America for the *exact* reason what Latino and other Third World immigrants come to America: because the standard of living is higher and the cost of living lower than what it was in Europe back in 19th century. Even though Europe was more advanced both scientifically and culturally than the U.S back in the 1800’s, America already enjoyed a higher standard of living. Don’t pretend like European immigrants to America came for more altruistic reasons than the current immigrants because it is not true. They were selfishly looking out for themselves and their own.

    “We are saying the same thing, but we’re supposed to believe it’s racist coming from us, but not from you. A Hillary-of-Chappaqua argument if there ever was one.
    Standards are inherently racist, so don’t claim yours are better than ours”

    Wrong. We are not alike at all. The difference between me and you is that I do not want immigration policy based on ethnic and national consideration. *You* are racist, not me. And my argument is that, even though immigration cannot go on indefinitely and infinitely, America is still far away from reaching that point. America can comfortably receive another 500-800 million immigrants before the costs of immigration exceed the benefits.

    “Progressives call that expectation racist– and they’re right. Why should people have to give up the customs they’ve held for thousands of years?”

    It is not racist, and don’t pigeonhold me with supposed liberals who believe that. They have to conform for the same reason why all other immigrant groups that came before had to conform, because immigrants have to adapt to the country they are immigrating to. I certainly don`t disagree that immigrants must agree to the laws and language of t the countries they are immigrating into. I never disputed that, so don’t come up with some straw man. I am Latino, and yet I communicate in English even though I only learned the language as a teen – I was born in America, but grew elsewhere.

    ” I had dozens of African neighbors in the city, and never felt any need to inquire about how they brought up their daughters”

    Well, Americans routinely mutilate their sons by circumcision as soon as they are born, something that white Europeans abhor and consider barbaric. And you guys are supposedly of the same “race”. So trying to argue that “race” somehow makes it impossible for different “races” to live together because culture is the product of race is clearly wrong. I mean, you white people have gone to war multiple times for cultural differences, such as religion. This clearly shows that culture is adaptable and not the product of race, and that immigrants can absolutely adept to Western values.

    “Hey, how about giving US citizenship to everyone between the Rio Grande and the Amazon? They could all come to California, Texas, or Florida and expand the economy.
    Or to every member of the Arab League?”

    Why instead of thinking in terms of race and nationality like you do, we instead allow worthy people in regardless of their racial aand cultural background? Mexicans who are good people with no criminal backgrounds and/or college educated? Good. Mexicans who are members of the Sinaloaa Cartel? Bad, entrance denied. Moderate Muslims who are college educated? Good. Members of Al Quaeda? Bad, entrance deined. Agaiin, not a difficult concept to understand. For instance, there is a Muslim community in France that has been living there for over 300 years, and they are model citizens. In fact, they are overepresented among professionals such as doctors aand lawyers. Immigration should be based on individual merit and not ethnic or cultural background. Furthermore, I never said I agreed with boundless immigration. Hence, giving American citizenship to entire continents is certainly not something that I would ever agree or condone.

    “When they vote to outlaw alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and to establish a state church, or mosque depending on the state, well, that’s democracy in action.”

    I have no problem with Muslims worshipping Alah as long as they don’t force their religion on others. You have a point when it comes to radical Muslims who want to impose Sharia law and an Islamic state, but the number of those have been greatly exaggerated by white nationalists and such to make their case. If a girl in France wants to wear the veil voluntarilly, it is one thing but if Muslims want to impose that on others then it is not ok. I certainly do not condone that, and that is why I think religious radicals should be barred bvy immigration laws. I never stated that antone should be aallowed into the country.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    America can comfortably receive another 500-800 million immigrants before the costs of immigration exceed the benefits.
     
    The costs to whom? The benefits accruing to whom? Who is benefiting from California's pack-and-stack immigration, besides Silicon Valley overlords, LA slumlords, plantation owners who'd rather not pay benefits, etc? How do California's schools do today compared to 50 or 60 years ago?

    Immigration should be based on individual merit and not ethnic or cultural background.
     
    The countries doing the sending disagree. Are they wrong?

    What constitutes "merit" is highly subjective. What immigration advocates seem to mean by the word, but don't say, is "working cheaply, without complaint". That may improve the economy for some Americans, but not any of those I care about.

    Well, Americans routinely mutilate their sons by circumcision as soon as they are born, something that white Europeans abhor and consider barbaric.
     
    The rate of circumcision had been dropping for decades, until authorities brought up the HIV bugaboo. HIV is one of the easiest diseases to avoid, so mutilation is unnecessary. Why are they pushing it?

    Why instead of thinking in terms of race and nationality like you do
     
    Talk about straw men... when did I talk "in terms of race and nationality"? The 1921 and 1924 immigration laws didn't bar whole peoples, they just tipped the scales. Why shouldn't other common-law, Anglophone countries-- some of which are black-- be favored? Were I to move to Spain, I would expect to get in line behind Argentines and Cubans and Colombians before becoming a subject of the King. That's just common sense.

    Setting a high minimum wage for prospective immigrants, along with mandatory job benefits, would go a long way in improving the immigration situation. It would defuse a lot of the opposition by removing almost all the (mostly hidden) public subsidy.

    The McCarran-Walter Act in 1952 barred communists from entering. That could also be applied to Moslems. Like communism, Islam is an all-encompassing ideology, not just another religion.

    ...and not ethnic or cultural background.
     
    Let's look at "cultural background". Americans are shocked to hear of certain abuses by immigrants-- effective enslavement of maids, disowning one's parents on paper (not in life) so they can go on public assistance, abandoning one's wife and children (on paper, not in life) so the family can receive more in public benefits, collecting unemployment while working 60-hour weeks under the table.

    These scams go against our Christian, Anglo-Saxon cultural background. They clearly do not violate the many cultural backgrounds of Asia and elsewhere these people came from. Get whatever you can get while you can, and spread it among the clan.

    The mad progressives are more right than they know, or admit. Anyone with any standards is a racist by default.
    , @adreadline

    America can comfortably receive another 500-800 million immigrants before the costs of immigration exceed the benefits
     
    I put this claim next to the one saying we'd be better off had the Axis won World War II. Insanity.
    , @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    You have to go back
  168. Well, Americans routinely mutilate their sons by circumcision as soon as they are born, something that white Europeans abhor and consider barbaric.

    It must be fairly popular in England though not as universal, since any boys’ school there will have Roundheads vs. Cavaliers fights.

  169. @Edward
    Race isn’t the main factor, class and education are. I freely admit that I don’t want to live in a bad, dysfunctional location, but I don’t want to live among the white underclass any more than I want to live among the black or immigrant underclass.

    If I had a choice between living in a neighbourhood filled with educated South and East Asian, African, White and mixed-race people, or living in an all-white, dying, trashy town in the North of England, I would choose the first option.

    That’s why, as a highly educated middle-class white, my closest neighbours include educated Syrian, Indian, Chinese and Pakistani families.

    Have you tried morally shaming BAME into voting responsibly?

  170. @Nick Diaz
    "I am not bound by your narrow and self-serving definition of “invasion.” You don’t dictate the terms of the debate here. "

    Actually, there is a very clear definition of what a military invasion is, and it is completely diffferent from immigration. Just because you don't like it, it doesen't mean that it isn't true. And it is not me who deffine the terms, but the dictionary and encyclopedias. Again, just because you don't like it doesen't mean that it isn't true.

    Your whole act is subversion, weaseling out of your devastation caused by the perma-blue status of California.

    It is our Alsace-Lorraine, sir.

    And the Prussians at least had the dignitity to take it by force, not by deception.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Well said!
    , @Anon

    And the Prussians at least had the dignitity to take it by force, not by deception.
     
    Prussia is a (distantly) immigrant state. I'm not sure whether that supports your side or the other guy's.
  171. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I buy all my gas , or almost all, from Quik Trip.

    I know the Cadieuxes, father and son, or knew Chester and know Chet, the son. They were/are pricks. I've told them that to their face.

    QT gas is supposedly better than other brands, I don't care, I buy cheap gas because I have ordinary cars that run fine on 87 octane. QT gas is more or less the same price, but I don't shop gas prices.

    i buy QT gas because QT is not financing serial immigration. They are paying legal American workers, many white, some decent acting and proper English speaking blacks and Asians, an occasional mestizo, but ll legal workers who can speak intelligible English.

    Most other gas sttions are owned by Indians, Arabs, Paks, others. They are looking to bring in their relatives more and more. Buying from them finances that.

    I'd rather support the jackass Cadieux family than bring in more immigrants.

    Also, I find it amusing that on the side of all Quik Trip gas pumps, it clearly says:

    Quik Trip gasoline is not intended for use in aircraft engines.

    Since I’ve never seen a Quik Trip an aircraft could feasibly taxi into it seems rather redundant. Except for the guy who had a gyrocopter that he added lights and a muffler on and got licensed as a motorcycle so he could run it on the roads with the rotor locked down. They are worried about getting sued by that one guy, I guess.

  172. @Nick Diaz
    "The price was much higher then."

    The price for what? Stop beating around the bushes and spell out what you mean. Regardless, European immigrants came to America for the *exact* reason what Latino and other Third World immigrants come to America: because the standard of living is higher and the cost of living lower than what it was in Europe back in 19th century. Even though Europe was more advanced both scientifically and culturally than the U.S back in the 1800's, America already enjoyed a higher standard of living. Don't pretend like European immigrants to America came for more altruistic reasons than the current immigrants because it is not true. They were selfishly looking out for themselves and their own.

    "We are saying the same thing, but we’re supposed to believe it’s racist coming from us, but not from you. A Hillary-of-Chappaqua argument if there ever was one.
    Standards are inherently racist, so don’t claim yours are better than ours"

    Wrong. We are not alike at all. The difference between me and you is that I do not want immigration policy based on ethnic and national consideration. *You* are racist, not me. And my argument is that, even though immigration cannot go on indefinitely and infinitely, America is still far away from reaching that point. America can comfortably receive another 500-800 million immigrants before the costs of immigration exceed the benefits.

    "Progressives call that expectation racist– and they’re right. Why should people have to give up the customs they’ve held for thousands of years?"

    It is not racist, and don't pigeonhold me with supposed liberals who believe that. They have to conform for the same reason why all other immigrant groups that came before had to conform, because immigrants have to adapt to the country they are immigrating to. I certainly don`t disagree that immigrants must agree to the laws and language of t the countries they are immigrating into. I never disputed that, so don't come up with some straw man. I am Latino, and yet I communicate in English even though I only learned the language as a teen - I was born in America, but grew elsewhere.

    " I had dozens of African neighbors in the city, and never felt any need to inquire about how they brought up their daughters"

    Well, Americans routinely mutilate their sons by circumcision as soon as they are born, something that white Europeans abhor and consider barbaric. And you guys are supposedly of the same "race". So trying to argue that "race" somehow makes it impossible for different "races" to live together because culture is the product of race is clearly wrong. I mean, you white people have gone to war multiple times for cultural differences, such as religion. This clearly shows that culture is adaptable and not the product of race, and that immigrants can absolutely adept to Western values.

    "Hey, how about giving US citizenship to everyone between the Rio Grande and the Amazon? They could all come to California, Texas, or Florida and expand the economy.
    Or to every member of the Arab League?"

    Why instead of thinking in terms of race and nationality like you do, we instead allow worthy people in regardless of their racial aand cultural background? Mexicans who are good people with no criminal backgrounds and/or college educated? Good. Mexicans who are members of the Sinaloaa Cartel? Bad, entrance denied. Moderate Muslims who are college educated? Good. Members of Al Quaeda? Bad, entrance deined. Agaiin, not a difficult concept to understand. For instance, there is a Muslim community in France that has been living there for over 300 years, and they are model citizens. In fact, they are overepresented among professionals such as doctors aand lawyers. Immigration should be based on individual merit and not ethnic or cultural background. Furthermore, I never said I agreed with boundless immigration. Hence, giving American citizenship to entire continents is certainly not something that I would ever agree or condone.

    "When they vote to outlaw alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and to establish a state church, or mosque depending on the state, well, that’s democracy in action."

    I have no problem with Muslims worshipping Alah as long as they don't force their religion on others. You have a point when it comes to radical Muslims who want to impose Sharia law and an Islamic state, but the number of those have been greatly exaggerated by white nationalists and such to make their case. If a girl in France wants to wear the veil voluntarilly, it is one thing but if Muslims want to impose that on others then it is not ok. I certainly do not condone that, and that is why I think religious radicals should be barred bvy immigration laws. I never stated that antone should be aallowed into the country.

    America can comfortably receive another 500-800 million immigrants before the costs of immigration exceed the benefits.

    The costs to whom? The benefits accruing to whom? Who is benefiting from California’s pack-and-stack immigration, besides Silicon Valley overlords, LA slumlords, plantation owners who’d rather not pay benefits, etc? How do California’s schools do today compared to 50 or 60 years ago?

    Immigration should be based on individual merit and not ethnic or cultural background.

    The countries doing the sending disagree. Are they wrong?

    What constitutes “merit” is highly subjective. What immigration advocates seem to mean by the word, but don’t say, is “working cheaply, without complaint”. That may improve the economy for some Americans, but not any of those I care about.

    Well, Americans routinely mutilate their sons by circumcision as soon as they are born, something that white Europeans abhor and consider barbaric.

    The rate of circumcision had been dropping for decades, until authorities brought up the HIV bugaboo. HIV is one of the easiest diseases to avoid, so mutilation is unnecessary. Why are they pushing it?

    Why instead of thinking in terms of race and nationality like you do

    Talk about straw men… when did I talk “in terms of race and nationality”? The 1921 and 1924 immigration laws didn’t bar whole peoples, they just tipped the scales. Why shouldn’t other common-law, Anglophone countries– some of which are black– be favored? Were I to move to Spain, I would expect to get in line behind Argentines and Cubans and Colombians before becoming a subject of the King. That’s just common sense.

    Setting a high minimum wage for prospective immigrants, along with mandatory job benefits, would go a long way in improving the immigration situation. It would defuse a lot of the opposition by removing almost all the (mostly hidden) public subsidy.

    The McCarran-Walter Act in 1952 barred communists from entering. That could also be applied to Moslems. Like communism, Islam is an all-encompassing ideology, not just another religion.

    …and not ethnic or cultural background.

    Let’s look at “cultural background”. Americans are shocked to hear of certain abuses by immigrants– effective enslavement of maids, disowning one’s parents on paper (not in life) so they can go on public assistance, abandoning one’s wife and children (on paper, not in life) so the family can receive more in public benefits, collecting unemployment while working 60-hour weeks under the table.

    These scams go against our Christian, Anglo-Saxon cultural background. They clearly do not violate the many cultural backgrounds of Asia and elsewhere these people came from. Get whatever you can get while you can, and spread it among the clan.

    The mad progressives are more right than they know, or admit. Anyone with any standards is a racist by default.

  173. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election.
     
    The idea of importing immigrants to win elections is nonsense. It doesn't work. Tony Blair supposedly had a cunning plan to ensure that Labour would remain in government forever by importing immigrants. Labour has lost the last three elections.

    The parties of the Left (or the parties calling themselves Left) are in disarray. In Australia (where immigrant numbers are much higher than in the U.S. or Britain) they have managed to win just two of the last nine elections.

    There are reasons that all major parties in all western nations are pro-immigration. But winning elections is not one of them.

    Nonsense.

    It’s a long game they are playing.

    Greater London used to be a Tory stronghold, now it’s gone over to Labour – solely due to the immigrant vote. The biggest single indicator of not voting Tory is to be non white. The Tory party has never won a substantial majority of the vote in 25 years.
    As non whites trend to a majority of the electorate – around mid century – expect permanent Labour Party rule.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  174. @Nick Diaz
    "I am not bound by your narrow and self-serving definition of “invasion.” You don’t dictate the terms of the debate here. "

    Actually, there is a very clear definition of what a military invasion is, and it is completely diffferent from immigration. Just because you don't like it, it doesen't mean that it isn't true. And it is not me who deffine the terms, but the dictionary and encyclopedias. Again, just because you don't like it doesen't mean that it isn't true.

    Actually, there is a very clear definition of what a military invasion

    Noone said it was a “military invasion.”

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion

  175. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nick Diaz
    "You’re right– one is honest, one is sneaky. And more effective in the long run.
    Oh, and conquerors always follow up with immigration of their own. Ask any Indian, dot or feather."

    No, it's *completely* different. For starters, invading armies cocme willing to kill those who oppose them from the country they are invading. Secondly, they come with the intention to loot, to *take* the country they are invading and to impose their rules. Immigrants, conversely, ccome to work, and they submit to the rules and customs of the country they are immigrating too. The diffference is very obvious and very marked. I won't even continue to debate this because it is retarded.

    And people entering conquered countries from the countries that conquered them is *not* equivalent to immigrants! Were the German colonists in Germman-occupied Poland the same as immigrants? Of course not. They had a privileged status compared to the native Poles who were pretty much the slaves of the Germans. The two things are *NOT* comparable. Case closed.

    "So you admit their motives are mercenary."

    Just like any other immigrant group. Trying to give a negative conotation to the word "mercenary" to make an argument is ridicculous. If you mean by mercenary wanting to get richer for themselves and their loved ones, then they are no more mercenary than the immigrants that came to America from Englang, Germany, Irreland, etc. Do you think those immigrants didn't come to America because they wanted a better life? The primary motivation of European immigrants who came to America, with the possible exception of the Plgrims who were fleeing religious persecution, was ecconomic. If you want to make a huge deal of the word " mercenary", which in this case is a completetely harmless term, and argue that immigrants should be kicked out because of it, then 90% of the white people in America should be kicked out too because their intentions in coming to America was primarilly economic.

    "Why stop at 10 million? Why not 100 million a year? We’d be China by 2030. Hell, at 10 million, we’d be China by 2119."

    Because resources are not infinite, and even though immigrants benefit America immensely, it comes a point that it becomes excessive. You are making this an "either" "or" isdsue, when in reality degrees matter. Myy point is that America is still benefitting from immigration, and it could benefit from hundreds of millions more. Even iff America were to receive 500 million more immigrants, it would still be more underpopulated than China. Immigration would only be a problem if we are talking about several billion. At this point, America needs more immigrants.

    Of course, if the *entirety* of Mexico and the central American states all decided to decamp to the USA – as undoubtedly they want to, and you want them to – in the fullness of time, the USA would, of course, transform into Mexico.2, in terms of people, culture, living standards, crime, disorder, murder rate etc etc. Precisely what Mexicans *chose* to flee from.
    So, unlimited central American immigration into the USA ultimately defeats its own object. So, rationally, you should oppose it.

  176. @Nick Diaz
    "Simply by their being underpaid, they make it difficult for Americans to start families. They are also soaking up a lot of what little affordable housing there is."

    First off all, the doesen't involve coercion, whcih was my point from the start. Immigrants are not forcefully castrating white people or stopping them from procreating at gun point. Secondly, why aren't wealthy white people such as professionals and the college-educated complaining about this? You are basically saying that white Americans for the most part are so pathetic they they can't compete with immigrants for jobs, which hinders their ability to start families. And yet, then you gon on to claim that Latinos immigrants shouldn`t be allowed in America because they are less intelligent than white people. So, which is it? Because you can't havew it both ways.

    Because you can’t havew it both ways.

    Yes we can.

    We don’t want Hispanic immigrants because they don’t earn enough to support a First world standard of living. Greedy employers pay them unlivable wages and stick the taxpayer with the bill for subsidizing their cheap labor.

    We don’t want Asian immigrants because they take middle-class jobs from our own kids, often after receiving their education for a fraction of what our own students pay. When they are educated in the US, they take the pressure off colleges and universities to keep prices in line with what people can afford.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Yes we can."

    Who is this "we"?

    Furthermore, think historically when it comes to this argument--We don’t want [insert Italian, Polish, Russian, Bulgarian, Irish, or German] immigrants because they don’t earn enough to support a First world standard of living. Greedy employers pay them unlivable wages and stick the taxpayer with the bill for subsidizing their cheap labor.
  177. A grim failure as German Defense Minister, UvdL (CDU) was pushed into the EU job by Merkel (Germany finances the largest share of the EU budget) once her position became untenable — so the truth is that these complainers have nothing to worry about at the moment — Salvini recently left the Italian government, and the new government immediately decided to allow the migrant taxis to again dock in Italian harbors — Germany and France then both pledged to each take 1/4 of the migrants.

    One question is why the Establishment and media across Europe would risk alienating more Europeans with their radical, uncompromising rhetoric on migration, and by ginning up such absurd faux outrage over nothing — ?

    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/1009096365098655745
  178. @eah
    A grim failure as German Defense Minister, UvdL (CDU) was pushed into the EU job by Merkel (Germany finances the largest share of the EU budget) once her position became untenable -- so the truth is that these complainers have nothing to worry about at the moment -- Salvini recently left the Italian government, and the new government immediately decided to allow the migrant taxis to again dock in Italian harbors -- Germany and France then both pledged to each take 1/4 of the migrants.

    One question is why the Establishment and media across Europe would risk alienating more Europeans with their radical, uncompromising rhetoric on migration, and by ginning up such absurd faux outrage over nothing -- ?

    https://twitter.com/Netzdenunziant/status/1172819623907119104

  179. @Edward
    Race isn’t the main factor, class and education are. I freely admit that I don’t want to live in a bad, dysfunctional location, but I don’t want to live among the white underclass any more than I want to live among the black or immigrant underclass.

    If I had a choice between living in a neighbourhood filled with educated South and East Asian, African, White and mixed-race people, or living in an all-white, dying, trashy town in the North of England, I would choose the first option.

    That’s why, as a highly educated middle-class white, my closest neighbours include educated Syrian, Indian, Chinese and Pakistani families.

    I freely admit that I don’t want to live in a bad, dysfunctional location, but I don’t want to live among the white underclass

    “You fucking cunt, you fucking shitstain! Solidarity goes only one way, wassit? You repel us, we repel you!”

  180. @Nick Diaz
    No, the net result is NOT the same. Invading militaries have as their objective killing the enemy and taking their territory by force. You are using an obtuse analogy to make an argument. Immigrants come to work and live in a country and not to harm the citizens of the country, while agreeing to submit to the existing state and laws of the country they are immigrating to. This is *completely* different from a foreign military invasion, where the stated goal is to kill large numbers of the population of the country being invaded, while at the same time destroying the state, the laws and the way of living of the country they are invading and taking the territory by force. And please don't bring extreme outliers of immigrants that raped women or killed people to prove your point. That is beyond asinine and obtuse. Furthermore, we are talking about net effects here, and the net effect of immigration is positive.

    How are they displacing and extinguishing you? Are they invading your property and kicking you out? Have they killed you? That is not their stated goal; the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals and none are military invaders, but rather people that want to work to give themselves and their loved ones a better live. An immigrant that committs a crime is just a criminal and not representative of the vast majority of immigrants. And while an argument caan be made that if no immigrants were allowed that those crimes wouldn't have happened, that is akin to throwing the baby away with the bath water: the net contribution of immigrants far outweight the cons.

    How can you possibly state that you are being displaced and extinguihsed by immigrants, when all they are doing is working to better their lives and that of their loved ones?

    How are they displacing and extinguishing you? Are they invading your property and kicking you out? Have they killed you?

    Go to one of the migrant enclaves. You’ll be kicked out. If you don’t go, they’ll try to make you. Sometimes this can end up with somebody dead.

    That is not their stated goal;

    It’s the unstated goal of just about every immigrant I’ve met, including a couple of ethnic French immigrants.

    the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals

    So, out of every hundred people, how many “criminals”? Do they pose a threat to me? Yes. Why am I supposed to pay for their importation and support?

    when all they are doing is working to better their lives and that of their loved ones?

    It isn’t “all”, see “migrant enclaves” above.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Nick's views all stem from the same basic view: that he and people like him should be able to live in the US if they want. Your views, my views, our laws, etc are all irrelevant.
    , @Anonymous

    It’s the unstated goal of just about every immigrant I’ve met, including a couple of ethnic French immigrants.
     
    What would you describe this goal as being? What leads you to believe it is the goal?
  181. @El Dato

    nationalist “Pan Slavism” ideology that animated the Polish military dictatorship
     
    Poles are not Slavs and do not consider themselves as such.

    And kindly Uncle Joe Stalin had massed nearly three hundred new army divisions along Europe’s eastern border, with 24,000 tanks and 19,000 aircraft, when Germany launched its desperate June 1941 pre-emptive strike.
     
    Complete ahistorical bullshit.

    If that was a "desperate pre-emptive strike" they would have started a few months earlier instead of helping Mussolini out in other parts of Europe. No, it was planned to be a leisurely "gonna be a cakewalk" expedition.

    Also, Soviets must have the first land army in the history of the World that gets its shit pushed in mercilessly (about 2000 miles or so) while having massive forces ready for attack. Yeah. They had to drop newly enrolled soldiers into the field with no weapons, trying to stop advancing Panzer III. Some "preparation for invasion".

    Now I'm not saying that it might not have happened in 1947 or earlier, but the Red Army was not ready in '41.

    1941 German invasion of USSR.
    See:
    Suvorov.
    _The Chief Culprit_
    Search Amazon.com using above as keywords for bibliographic information.
    or see:
    Ron Unz
    American Pravda
    article on 1941 German invasion of USSR.
    unz.com

    Counterinsurgency

  182. @Nick Diaz
    "The price was much higher then."

    The price for what? Stop beating around the bushes and spell out what you mean. Regardless, European immigrants came to America for the *exact* reason what Latino and other Third World immigrants come to America: because the standard of living is higher and the cost of living lower than what it was in Europe back in 19th century. Even though Europe was more advanced both scientifically and culturally than the U.S back in the 1800's, America already enjoyed a higher standard of living. Don't pretend like European immigrants to America came for more altruistic reasons than the current immigrants because it is not true. They were selfishly looking out for themselves and their own.

    "We are saying the same thing, but we’re supposed to believe it’s racist coming from us, but not from you. A Hillary-of-Chappaqua argument if there ever was one.
    Standards are inherently racist, so don’t claim yours are better than ours"

    Wrong. We are not alike at all. The difference between me and you is that I do not want immigration policy based on ethnic and national consideration. *You* are racist, not me. And my argument is that, even though immigration cannot go on indefinitely and infinitely, America is still far away from reaching that point. America can comfortably receive another 500-800 million immigrants before the costs of immigration exceed the benefits.

    "Progressives call that expectation racist– and they’re right. Why should people have to give up the customs they’ve held for thousands of years?"

    It is not racist, and don't pigeonhold me with supposed liberals who believe that. They have to conform for the same reason why all other immigrant groups that came before had to conform, because immigrants have to adapt to the country they are immigrating to. I certainly don`t disagree that immigrants must agree to the laws and language of t the countries they are immigrating into. I never disputed that, so don't come up with some straw man. I am Latino, and yet I communicate in English even though I only learned the language as a teen - I was born in America, but grew elsewhere.

    " I had dozens of African neighbors in the city, and never felt any need to inquire about how they brought up their daughters"

    Well, Americans routinely mutilate their sons by circumcision as soon as they are born, something that white Europeans abhor and consider barbaric. And you guys are supposedly of the same "race". So trying to argue that "race" somehow makes it impossible for different "races" to live together because culture is the product of race is clearly wrong. I mean, you white people have gone to war multiple times for cultural differences, such as religion. This clearly shows that culture is adaptable and not the product of race, and that immigrants can absolutely adept to Western values.

    "Hey, how about giving US citizenship to everyone between the Rio Grande and the Amazon? They could all come to California, Texas, or Florida and expand the economy.
    Or to every member of the Arab League?"

    Why instead of thinking in terms of race and nationality like you do, we instead allow worthy people in regardless of their racial aand cultural background? Mexicans who are good people with no criminal backgrounds and/or college educated? Good. Mexicans who are members of the Sinaloaa Cartel? Bad, entrance denied. Moderate Muslims who are college educated? Good. Members of Al Quaeda? Bad, entrance deined. Agaiin, not a difficult concept to understand. For instance, there is a Muslim community in France that has been living there for over 300 years, and they are model citizens. In fact, they are overepresented among professionals such as doctors aand lawyers. Immigration should be based on individual merit and not ethnic or cultural background. Furthermore, I never said I agreed with boundless immigration. Hence, giving American citizenship to entire continents is certainly not something that I would ever agree or condone.

    "When they vote to outlaw alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and to establish a state church, or mosque depending on the state, well, that’s democracy in action."

    I have no problem with Muslims worshipping Alah as long as they don't force their religion on others. You have a point when it comes to radical Muslims who want to impose Sharia law and an Islamic state, but the number of those have been greatly exaggerated by white nationalists and such to make their case. If a girl in France wants to wear the veil voluntarilly, it is one thing but if Muslims want to impose that on others then it is not ok. I certainly do not condone that, and that is why I think religious radicals should be barred bvy immigration laws. I never stated that antone should be aallowed into the country.

    America can comfortably receive another 500-800 million immigrants before the costs of immigration exceed the benefits

    I put this claim next to the one saying we’d be better off had the Axis won World War II. Insanity.

  183. @dfordoom

    In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election.
     
    The idea of importing immigrants to win elections is nonsense. It doesn't work. Tony Blair supposedly had a cunning plan to ensure that Labour would remain in government forever by importing immigrants. Labour has lost the last three elections.

    The parties of the Left (or the parties calling themselves Left) are in disarray. In Australia (where immigrant numbers are much higher than in the U.S. or Britain) they have managed to win just two of the last nine elections.

    There are reasons that all major parties in all western nations are pro-immigration. But winning elections is not one of them.

    The idea of importing immigrants to win elections is nonsense. It doesn’t work. Tony Blair supposedly had a cunning plan to ensure that Labour would remain in government forever by importing immigrants. Labour has lost the last three elections.

    It absolutely does work. The UK is still mostly white, though. Before that’s out of the way, things will have changed. If there’s immigration on the level of many dozens of millions of people, as some are apparently fine with, it’d be easy.

  184. @Dieter Kief
    Your references are now Thompson and Parkinson. A world first, maybe. nobody could accuse you of being not original.
    Did you have a look at my remarks to your Adorno-reference, in which you stated that the Authoritarian personality survey of the New School was a landmark in western thinking?

    Dieter Kief

    Your references are now Thompson and Parkinson. A world first, maybe. nobody could accuse you of being not original.
    Did you have a look at my remarks to your Adorno-reference, in which you stated that the Authoritarian personality survey of the New School was a landmark in western thinking?

    Sorry, missed your reply and never did read it. Here it is, from the Unz archives of your comments:

    Wikipedia writes about the intellectuals in the mandarin-mode. That’s a bit outdated by now, isn’t it?

    I’m astonished, that you rank the Frankfurter’s Authoritarian Personality Study so high.

    Especially, since it is helplessly entangled in – not least – Adornos “Aporias of the subject-philosophy”, as Habermas put it quite nicely (that’s a serious counter-argument, that Habermas brings forward here against Adorno. I’m almost inclined to write: Dead serious).

    Erich Fromm too knew quite soon, that Adorno was on the wrong track and countered the latter’s critical absolutism not least with a (quite reasonable) defense of – authority. Fromm was much more read than Adorno – maybe not exactly by tenured professors, but otherwise, he had a much greater readership than Adorno.

    And here’s a serious answer:

    My references are not intended for an academic audience, but rather to be accessible to a non-academic audience. If you want an academic equivalent to Parkinson’s injelititis, you might find Meyer and Zucker’s book [1] of interest. I should add that most of Parkinson’s books on organization were adaptations of his PhD thesis, given the light touch for the mass market.

    [MORE]

    Wikipedia is included as to give a quick introduction to the area for those who don’t have any background in it. No, it’s not very good, but it’s generally considered a non-controversial site with fairly well known biases.

    I’m largely going from Bloom’s _Closing_ [2], and a few other references about the importance of _The Authoritarian Personality_. Other than its effect on the political establishment of the time, it’s not in itself interesting. It appears from descriptions to be a point and sputter book with a rigged study attached, but I’ve never given it serious consideration. It is a landmark in Western thinking only in that it was apparently accepted widely and acted upon. For this reason, and assuming it’s a point and sputter book, it’s a landmark in the decline of of Western thought.

    I did read one book by Erich Fromm back in the late 1960s. I wasn’t impressed favorably; he’s following Nietzsche in that he points and sputters also.

    You know, the people who drop in at unz.com occasionally and accuse everybody they don’t like of every transgression they can think of are a lot like a cheap imitation of Nietzsche. No proof, just point, throw mud, and leave. His suggestion that all Western thought be abandoned and re-developed from the pre-Socratics was a lot like the “foundations of mathematics” being done around his time, but the foundations of mathematics didn’t advise not using arithmetic while they built a foundation for it, and eventually they did build a foundation for it (which turned out not to have a foundation of its own, but even then they didn’t advise abandoning arithmetic).

    As for Huntress Thompson, he’s considered of literary quality [1]. He’s great from capturing the common wisdom of his time, and pointing out the anomalies. Sort of a Tom Wolfe, but much further out on the fringes. And much of what he says is true in my experience, especially the Thompson quote I’ve used. (Of course, that’s why Nietzsche was accepted also)

    As far as originality goes, that’s what I do. I have the research credentials and published papers _and_ results needed to verify the claim. And I can tell you that it _really_ makes some people angry.

    Example: Any fiber stiffer than epoxy and embedded in an epoxy matrix to form a tube with spiral fibers will make the tube twist when you try to bend the tube perpendicular to its center axis. The very high spring constant of the carbon fiber makes this effect unusually large. If you put a lever on the end of the tube (perpendicular to the tube’s central axis), and press down on the end of the lever with your thumb, then the tube bends down, twists, and the geometry of the tube will (if the lever is long enough) move your thumb up. Press harder, and your thumb moves up even more. Negative spring constant! The same sort of device can deliver infinite stiffness (press down as much as you like, your thumb stays in one place) until the tube breaks.
    This isn’t my discovery, it’s well known in wrapped carbon fiber structures. Once I had a full ME professor furious at me because I simply reported that I’d seen this on his campus. That’s typical of the reaction to original results, true or false.

    So, yes I do original work. One of the reasons I write these messages is to try to flush out errors in my thinking, and that has happened a time or two. Another is to find a way to react to insanely hostile attacks, as the one from the ME Professor. (Turns out the place was run by thugs [4]. I later saw another full professor break down in hysteria because, after years of mistreatment by administrators after research money, he was given a teaching award and held up as an icon. Threw the award down and started screaming after the ceremony was over. And yet another full Professor who wrote a critical note to his Department head about completely fouling up in a research project, had to leave the institution. But the thug attitude is culture wide — get the money and let the medics take care of the victim on the sidewalk). I have yet another original result to deliver at a professional conference next month, so I can use the practice and feedback.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Marshall W. Mejer and Lynne G. Zucker,
    _Permanently Failing Organizations_,
    SAGE Publications, Inc; 1 edition 2019/01/01.
    $96 for the hardcover; it’s a book whose time has come. It’s also the only serious book I’ve been able to find on the subject.

    2] Allan Bloom.
    _Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today’s Students_.
    first publication: 1987

    3] If you want an early and more or less conventional book by Thompson, I can suggest:
    _Hell’s Angels_
    which raised the question of why the American public became for a time so favorably inclined towards the Hell’s Angels motorcycle club. Thompson was never quite able to answer that question, and went farther and farther from sanity trying to answer it, IMHO.

    4] See: Ron Unz’s American Pravda on the influence of organized crime in American life:
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-power-of-organized-crime/

  185. @Moses
    This kind of talk is like dissolving a cell membrane that separates the inside/outside of the cell and governs what may enter.

    Without an effective cell membrane the cell dissolves and dies.

    Maybe that’s the point here?

    Guarantee these EU functionaries live nowhere near nonWhites.

    Great analogy. Worth remembering.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Take a look at

    Jaron Lanier
    _You Are Not A Gadget_
    2011/01/08.

    Lanier spends quite a bit of time considering the importance of barriers in evolutionary processes such as design. He also writes well

    Counterinsurgecy
  186. @216
    Your whole act is subversion, weaseling out of your devastation caused by the perma-blue status of California.

    It is our Alsace-Lorraine, sir.

    And the Prussians at least had the dignitity to take it by force, not by deception.

    Well said!

  187. @Nick Diaz
    "Is that the standard? Then it would be fine if they just invaded my property and didn’t kick me out, but just eroded my quality of life to the point I just left of my own accord"

    So what exactly is your standard? You are upset that they ccome to the country to work, live in their own houses and don't bother? This is your standard for feeling "displanced" and " extinguished"? You are pathetically prejudiced.

    "I couldn’t care less what they they think they are coming here to do. They are driving wages down and housing prices up. This remains the case regardless of their intentions."

    Ah, I get it: you are afraid of competition because you can't compete. Funny that the white people that are Harvard graduates and professional are not complaining about this. It's only the poorest and most uneducated white Americans complaining about this.

    "You see, I take my own side. I know you can’t stand that."

    You are right: I have a moral problem with racists like you. For once, we agree on something.

    "(And BTW, invading armies do not come to kill large percentages of the population. That’s ridiculous. They often make it a point to avoid civilian casualties.)"

    It depends. Genghis Khan usually murdered most of the civilian population. The Nazis did the same in Poland and Russia with their " lebensraum" policy.

    Regardless, my point stands: you cannot compare invading armies to immigration. One is hostile and causes tremendous damage and destruction to the country they are invading, and they *force* their rules and culture on the country they are invading. Conversely, immigrants for the most part are harmless(the few criiminals that get through do not disprove this), and they submit to the country's laws and customs, while invading armiess impose their on the country they are invading.

    Even when the invading army does not kill the native popuulation en mass, such as in the German occupation of France in WW2, they still impose their culture and laws on the invaded country. Apples and oranges.

    Ah, I get it: you are afraid of competition because you can’t compete. Funny that the white people that are Harvard graduates and professional are not complaining about this. It’s only the poorest and most uneducated white Americans complaining about this.
    ————————————
    There are 1.3 billion Indians and 1.3 billion Chinese. If all of the smart people in those countries came here to be educated and start a career it would most certainly harm all the native population including the smart population.

  188. @Anonymous

    Women turning against the current order is a fairly old phenomenon.
     
    I don't understand this comment. The excerpts in the comment you are replying to seem to evidence women paying obeisance to the current order.

    Aside from that, what examples can you offer of women turning against the current order? Isn't the more typical phenomenon that women align themselves with power?

    Isn’t the more typical phenomenon that women align themselves with power?

    I guess he’s saying that current women have used their political power and choice to choose flash and bling over true power. When true power eventually asserts itself, they will be under the thumb, and diminished.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    I guess he’s saying that current women have used their political power and choice to choose flash and bling over true power. When true power eventually asserts itself, they will be under the thumb, and diminished.
     
    Women need protection and income so that they can concentrate on bringing up the next generation. The woman who seeks protection and income to the extent of not having children or paying no attention to the children she has or abandoning the children she has so that she can associate with higher levels of protection / status is limiting her reproductive fitness. Women are born rich (in attractive men's support) and become poor. Bargains made after abandoning a first child (or a first husband) are apt to be worse than the initial support bargain for that reason.

    So: as far as "they will be under the thumb, and diminished" goes, that's a trap for women. For an equally rhetorical argument on the other side, try "they will be less likely to fool some poor sap into giving her most of his income for the rest of his life to raise children he will hardly see and quite likely will be made into something he doesn't like by the public school system and his wife, assuming that she doesn't abandon them."

    Counterinsurgency
  189. @J.Ross
    Jewish evolutionary strategy (if it exists [Jack, tell Steve not to eat my comment, please!]) is a higher-IQ specialization of Semitic tribalism which precedes anything Western by millennia. Per the Bible it had its share of Slavic style brother-against-brother stupidity. And as far as it exploiting Slavic fault lines -- well, the Ottoman definitely did, but I would suggest a look at Polish history, especially the period of the "Paradise of the Jews," which didn't really entail anybody but Poles, Litvaks, and Ukrainians, who at the time were the same state.

    “Slavic fault lines” in the PLC ended up getting a lot of Jews killed in the 17th century, so if creating them was a Jewish strategy it was a very bad one.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    As I said I am not aware of Jews ginning up Slav against Slav sentiment in that period (mainly because the Slavs were already thoroughly ready to attack their brothers), but neither is an unforeseen externality a vindication, because Jews are forever stuck in tunnel vision. Widely attested consequence of high intelligence. The Austrians did stir up ethnic, religious, and class agitations all the time.
  190. @Bragadocious
    LOL, hate speech laws are as European and Canadian as it gets. We don't have them -- yet. Despite steady chipping away at the perimeters by people who want to scrap the 1A and make us just like Europe. It's we who need a firewall from Europe and Canada.

    Hate speech laws have proven to be pretty superfluous in America. You can just program the sheeple from childhood in the government schools and on the tube. Nobody in American public life seriously questions things like immivasion without rapidly becoming a cordoned-off pariah like Tucker Carlson.

  191. @dfordoom

    In political thought, nothing exceeds the importance of winning the next election.
     
    The idea of importing immigrants to win elections is nonsense. It doesn't work. Tony Blair supposedly had a cunning plan to ensure that Labour would remain in government forever by importing immigrants. Labour has lost the last three elections.

    The parties of the Left (or the parties calling themselves Left) are in disarray. In Australia (where immigrant numbers are much higher than in the U.S. or Britain) they have managed to win just two of the last nine elections.

    There are reasons that all major parties in all western nations are pro-immigration. But winning elections is not one of them.

    The Internet came along just in time to provide people with an alternative source of information to the mainstream media.

  192. @Moses
    This kind of talk is like dissolving a cell membrane that separates the inside/outside of the cell and governs what may enter.

    Without an effective cell membrane the cell dissolves and dies.

    Maybe that’s the point here?

    Guarantee these EU functionaries live nowhere near nonWhites.

    This kind of talk is like dissolving a cell membrane that separates the inside/outside of the cell and governs what may enter.

    Without an effective cell membrane the cell dissolves and dies.

    Maybe that’s the point here?

    Yes, that is precisely the point.

  193. @Nick Diaz
    "I am not bound by your narrow and self-serving definition of “invasion.” You don’t dictate the terms of the debate here. "

    Actually, there is a very clear definition of what a military invasion is, and it is completely diffferent from immigration. Just because you don't like it, it doesen't mean that it isn't true. And it is not me who deffine the terms, but the dictionary and encyclopedias. Again, just because you don't like it doesen't mean that it isn't true.

    It is a military invasion, carried out under cover of the military of the USA. Try stopping it, and you will see the military force behind it..

  194. @216
    Your whole act is subversion, weaseling out of your devastation caused by the perma-blue status of California.

    It is our Alsace-Lorraine, sir.

    And the Prussians at least had the dignitity to take it by force, not by deception.

    And the Prussians at least had the dignitity to take it by force, not by deception.

    Prussia is a (distantly) immigrant state. I’m not sure whether that supports your side or the other guy’s.

  195. @Anonymous

    On the other hand, if you make a mistake in immigration policy, you get stuck with all these people who take it extremely personally
     
    In Canada, it's not just the immigrants. A college instructor blasphemed against Canada's national religion in a now-deleted op-ed archived here: http://archive.is/Yg6mg

    Mark Hecht: Ethnic diversity harms a country's social trust, economic well-being, argues instructor
     
    Immigrant pushback:

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1170331488044191744

    https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1172329509468524545

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mark-hecht-vancouver-sun-op-ed-1.5274962

    Advocates condemn xenophobic op-ed by Calgary instructor calling for end to diversity

    I think there is a greater responsibility on media outlets and journalists in this particular climate to address these issues, to not give voice to this kind of jingoistic, xenophobic views. - Avnish Nanda, Everyone's Canada
     
    https://www.straight.com/news/1296711/bcs-new-human-rights-commissioner-says-shes-deeply-disturbed-call-hatred-vancouver-sun

    B.C. Human Rights Commissioner Kasari Govender described Calgary writer Mark Hecht's piece as a "call to hatred".

    "Fear—of change, the unknown, difference—is hate's greatest fuel," Govender tweeted. "Keen to get to work on these issues with @humanrights4bc!".
     
    But a lot of heritage Canadians too:

    https://twitter.com/nejsnave/status/1170150917892714498

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-sun-op-ed-racist

    The writing could be described as thinly veiled racism, except there was nothing thinly veiled about it.

    The piece was incredibly disturbing and runs counter to so much of what Canada stands for – diversity, acceptance, tolerance, and overall a view that the collection of cultures, religions, races, beliefs, and backgrounds is our greatest strength.

    Within hours of this piece going online, social media was in an uproar.

    Exceptional Postmedia journalists like Rob Shaw, Nick Eagland, Lori Culbert, Kim Bolan, and Stephanie Ip, just to name a few, were bravely speaking out against their own publication.
     
    The paper tried to make amends, publishing this:

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/robert-falconer-the-open-society-canadas-best-response-to-immigration

    When broken down by pride in specific symbols or institutions, such as the Canadian flag, Parliament, or even hockey, immigrants placed greater or equal importance in these than natural born Canadians.

    This makes intuitive sense when considering why immigrants choose Canada. Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute has pointed out that most immigrants self-select, meaning that those who are most dissatisfied with Chinese communism, the Ayatollah, or Venezuelan socialism are the most likely to leave, and the least likely to bring those values with them. They choose Canada because they identify with the norms and values that make Canada.
     

    Yes, people can be manipulated to do things contrary to their interests. So what? It doesn’t change the fact that this change is being forced on Canadians.

  196. @dfordoom

    Nah, things are frankly just too good for whites right now.
     
    Things are going very very well indeed for rich whites. They're going very well for upper middle class whites. And those whites will continue to do well. In case you hadn't noticed society is organised entirely for the benefit of the rich and the upper middle class.

    Things are not quite so bright for lower middle class whites but they're not suffering in a major way yet.

    Things really really suck for working-class whites and rural whites. But rich whites and upper middle class whites don't give a damn about those people and never will.

    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.

    Things are going very very well indeed for rich whites. They’re going very well for upper middle class whites.

    They’re going much less well than they did previously.

    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.

    All whites are non-privileged, by law.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    All whites are non-privileged, by law.
     
    I do feel desperately sorry for the sufferings of white billionaires. They're really doing it tough. You see them all the time, begging on the streets.
    , @95Theses

    All whites are non-privileged, by law.
     
    So very true – and just the opposite to what is being taught, preached, lectured, and disseminated.
  197. @Anon
    "Slavic fault lines" in the PLC ended up getting a lot of Jews killed in the 17th century, so if creating them was a Jewish strategy it was a very bad one.

    As I said I am not aware of Jews ginning up Slav against Slav sentiment in that period (mainly because the Slavs were already thoroughly ready to attack their brothers), but neither is an unforeseen externality a vindication, because Jews are forever stuck in tunnel vision. Widely attested consequence of high intelligence. The Austrians did stir up ethnic, religious, and class agitations all the time.

  198. @Counterinsurgency

    How are they displacing and extinguishing you? Are they invading your property and kicking you out? Have they killed you?
     
    Go to one of the migrant enclaves. You'll be kicked out. If you don't go, they'll try to make you. Sometimes this can end up with somebody dead.

    That is not their stated goal;
     
    It's the unstated goal of just about every immigrant I've met, including a couple of ethnic French immigrants.

    the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals
     
    So, out of every hundred people, how many "criminals"? Do they pose a threat to me? Yes. Why am I supposed to pay for their importation and support?

    when all they are doing is working to better their lives and that of their loved ones?
     
    It isn't "all", see "migrant enclaves" above.

    Counterinsurgency

    Nick’s views all stem from the same basic view: that he and people like him should be able to live in the US if they want. Your views, my views, our laws, etc are all irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    Nick’s views all stem from the same basic view: that he and people like him should be able to live in the US if they want
     
    and that the people living here now should not be able to live in the US if they want. Not hard to figure that out, they won't shut up about it.

    Counterinsurgency
  199. @Counterinsurgency

    How are they displacing and extinguishing you? Are they invading your property and kicking you out? Have they killed you?
     
    Go to one of the migrant enclaves. You'll be kicked out. If you don't go, they'll try to make you. Sometimes this can end up with somebody dead.

    That is not their stated goal;
     
    It's the unstated goal of just about every immigrant I've met, including a couple of ethnic French immigrants.

    the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals
     
    So, out of every hundred people, how many "criminals"? Do they pose a threat to me? Yes. Why am I supposed to pay for their importation and support?

    when all they are doing is working to better their lives and that of their loved ones?
     
    It isn't "all", see "migrant enclaves" above.

    Counterinsurgency

    It’s the unstated goal of just about every immigrant I’ve met, including a couple of ethnic French immigrants.

    What would you describe this goal as being? What leads you to believe it is the goal?

  200. @Nick Diaz
    "The price was much higher then."

    The price for what? Stop beating around the bushes and spell out what you mean. Regardless, European immigrants came to America for the *exact* reason what Latino and other Third World immigrants come to America: because the standard of living is higher and the cost of living lower than what it was in Europe back in 19th century. Even though Europe was more advanced both scientifically and culturally than the U.S back in the 1800's, America already enjoyed a higher standard of living. Don't pretend like European immigrants to America came for more altruistic reasons than the current immigrants because it is not true. They were selfishly looking out for themselves and their own.

    "We are saying the same thing, but we’re supposed to believe it’s racist coming from us, but not from you. A Hillary-of-Chappaqua argument if there ever was one.
    Standards are inherently racist, so don’t claim yours are better than ours"

    Wrong. We are not alike at all. The difference between me and you is that I do not want immigration policy based on ethnic and national consideration. *You* are racist, not me. And my argument is that, even though immigration cannot go on indefinitely and infinitely, America is still far away from reaching that point. America can comfortably receive another 500-800 million immigrants before the costs of immigration exceed the benefits.

    "Progressives call that expectation racist– and they’re right. Why should people have to give up the customs they’ve held for thousands of years?"

    It is not racist, and don't pigeonhold me with supposed liberals who believe that. They have to conform for the same reason why all other immigrant groups that came before had to conform, because immigrants have to adapt to the country they are immigrating to. I certainly don`t disagree that immigrants must agree to the laws and language of t the countries they are immigrating into. I never disputed that, so don't come up with some straw man. I am Latino, and yet I communicate in English even though I only learned the language as a teen - I was born in America, but grew elsewhere.

    " I had dozens of African neighbors in the city, and never felt any need to inquire about how they brought up their daughters"

    Well, Americans routinely mutilate their sons by circumcision as soon as they are born, something that white Europeans abhor and consider barbaric. And you guys are supposedly of the same "race". So trying to argue that "race" somehow makes it impossible for different "races" to live together because culture is the product of race is clearly wrong. I mean, you white people have gone to war multiple times for cultural differences, such as religion. This clearly shows that culture is adaptable and not the product of race, and that immigrants can absolutely adept to Western values.

    "Hey, how about giving US citizenship to everyone between the Rio Grande and the Amazon? They could all come to California, Texas, or Florida and expand the economy.
    Or to every member of the Arab League?"

    Why instead of thinking in terms of race and nationality like you do, we instead allow worthy people in regardless of their racial aand cultural background? Mexicans who are good people with no criminal backgrounds and/or college educated? Good. Mexicans who are members of the Sinaloaa Cartel? Bad, entrance denied. Moderate Muslims who are college educated? Good. Members of Al Quaeda? Bad, entrance deined. Agaiin, not a difficult concept to understand. For instance, there is a Muslim community in France that has been living there for over 300 years, and they are model citizens. In fact, they are overepresented among professionals such as doctors aand lawyers. Immigration should be based on individual merit and not ethnic or cultural background. Furthermore, I never said I agreed with boundless immigration. Hence, giving American citizenship to entire continents is certainly not something that I would ever agree or condone.

    "When they vote to outlaw alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and to establish a state church, or mosque depending on the state, well, that’s democracy in action."

    I have no problem with Muslims worshipping Alah as long as they don't force their religion on others. You have a point when it comes to radical Muslims who want to impose Sharia law and an Islamic state, but the number of those have been greatly exaggerated by white nationalists and such to make their case. If a girl in France wants to wear the veil voluntarilly, it is one thing but if Muslims want to impose that on others then it is not ok. I certainly do not condone that, and that is why I think religious radicals should be barred bvy immigration laws. I never stated that antone should be aallowed into the country.

    You have to go back

  201. @95Theses
    Great analogy. Worth remembering.

    Take a look at

    Jaron Lanier
    _You Are Not A Gadget_
    2011/01/08.

    Lanier spends quite a bit of time considering the importance of barriers in evolutionary processes such as design. He also writes well

    Counterinsurgecy

  202. @William Badwhite
    Nick's views all stem from the same basic view: that he and people like him should be able to live in the US if they want. Your views, my views, our laws, etc are all irrelevant.

    Nick’s views all stem from the same basic view: that he and people like him should be able to live in the US if they want

    and that the people living here now should not be able to live in the US if they want. Not hard to figure that out, they won’t shut up about it.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Exactly. Its not a dispute that can be settled with reason, because we want fundamentally different outcomes.

    If he and his ilk are going to go back to where they belong, its not going to be because they agreed to go.
  203. @Edward
    Race isn’t the main factor, class and education are. I freely admit that I don’t want to live in a bad, dysfunctional location, but I don’t want to live among the white underclass any more than I want to live among the black or immigrant underclass.

    If I had a choice between living in a neighbourhood filled with educated South and East Asian, African, White and mixed-race people, or living in an all-white, dying, trashy town in the North of England, I would choose the first option.

    That’s why, as a highly educated middle-class white, my closest neighbours include educated Syrian, Indian, Chinese and Pakistani families.

    That’s why, as a highly educated middle-class white, my closest neighbours include educated Syrian, Indian, Chinese and Pakistani families.

    Maybe England is worse off than the US, but here living in poor Appalachia beats living in the cities or suburbs _if_ you have an income. The people are smarter (no joke), nicer, and a lot less of a threat. if whites get into trouble of any sort in a US city or suburb, they’re toast — the system takes you down if it can [1]. I rather imagine that the same is true in the UK, UK politics being what it is.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] That was the point of Tom Wolfe’s _Bonfire of the Vanities_, and of “A Man Entire”.

  204. @Counterinsurgency

    Nick’s views all stem from the same basic view: that he and people like him should be able to live in the US if they want
     
    and that the people living here now should not be able to live in the US if they want. Not hard to figure that out, they won't shut up about it.

    Counterinsurgency

    Exactly. Its not a dispute that can be settled with reason, because we want fundamentally different outcomes.

    If he and his ilk are going to go back to where they belong, its not going to be because they agreed to go.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "If he and his ilk are going to go back to where they belong, its not going to be because they agreed to go."

    Tough talk from the local commander of the armchair warrior brigade.
  205. @LondonBob
    If the Nazis hadn't been deranged evil loons they would have acted as the liberators they were initially welcomed as in Russia.

    I find it interesting how many Europeans I come across who take it as a personal slight that I voted to leave the EU.

    True, true and true.

    So sad.

  206. @Bies Podkrakowski
    True, ethnic hate and genocide tends to do that for some reason.

    I would not go so far as you did and describe Polish policy towards minorities as genocide, but what happened in the twenties and thirties does invite scrutiny.

  207. @Corvinus
    "Germany could have built trucks instead of dreadnoughts. They’d have won. We’d probably be better off."

    That is absolutely insane for you to say.

    Indeed, he’s wrong.

    We’d not probably but certainly be better off.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Indeed, he’s wrong. We’d not probably but certainly be better off."

    More insanity on your part.
  208. @William Badwhite
    Exactly. Its not a dispute that can be settled with reason, because we want fundamentally different outcomes.

    If he and his ilk are going to go back to where they belong, its not going to be because they agreed to go.

    “If he and his ilk are going to go back to where they belong, its not going to be because they agreed to go.”

    Tough talk from the local commander of the armchair warrior brigade.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton

    If he and his ilk are going to go back to where they belong, its not going to be because they agreed to go.
     

    "Tough talk from the local commander of the armchair warrior brigade."
     
    Doesn't follow, and true.
  209. @Rosie

    Because you can’t havew it both ways.
     
    Yes we can.

    We don't want Hispanic immigrants because they don't earn enough to support a First world standard of living. Greedy employers pay them unlivable wages and stick the taxpayer with the bill for subsidizing their cheap labor.

    We don't want Asian immigrants because they take middle-class jobs from our own kids, often after receiving their education for a fraction of what our own students pay. When they are educated in the US, they take the pressure off colleges and universities to keep prices in line with what people can afford.

    “Yes we can.”

    Who is this “we”?

    Furthermore, think historically when it comes to this argument–We don’t want [insert Italian, Polish, Russian, Bulgarian, Irish, or German] immigrants because they don’t earn enough to support a First world standard of living. Greedy employers pay them unlivable wages and stick the taxpayer with the bill for subsidizing their cheap labor.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Crow, the frontier closed one hundred forty years ago. Put your crafty brain to work.
  210. @byrresheim
    Indeed, he's wrong.

    We'd not probably but certainly be better off.

    “Indeed, he’s wrong. We’d not probably but certainly be better off.”

    More insanity on your part.

  211. @ben tillman

    Things are going very very well indeed for rich whites. They’re going very well for upper middle class whites.
     
    They're going much less well than they did previously.

    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.
     
    All whites are non-privileged, by law.

    All whites are non-privileged, by law.

    I do feel desperately sorry for the sufferings of white billionaires. They’re really doing it tough. You see them all the time, begging on the streets.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I do feel desperately sorry for the sufferings of white billionaires. They’re really doing it tough. You see them all the time, begging on the streets.
     
    White billionaires are rich, not privileged. Our rulers' treatment of President Trump makes that as plain as day.
  212. @Corvinus
    "If he and his ilk are going to go back to where they belong, its not going to be because they agreed to go."

    Tough talk from the local commander of the armchair warrior brigade.

    If he and his ilk are going to go back to where they belong, its not going to be because they agreed to go.

    “Tough talk from the local commander of the armchair warrior brigade.”

    Doesn’t follow, and true.

  213. @Corvinus
    "Yes we can."

    Who is this "we"?

    Furthermore, think historically when it comes to this argument--We don’t want [insert Italian, Polish, Russian, Bulgarian, Irish, or German] immigrants because they don’t earn enough to support a First world standard of living. Greedy employers pay them unlivable wages and stick the taxpayer with the bill for subsidizing their cheap labor.

    Crow, the frontier closed one hundred forty years ago. Put your crafty brain to work.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Crow, the frontier closed one hundred forty years ago. Put your crafty brain to work."

    Except that a great number of Eastern and Southern Europeans in the late 1800's/early 1900's who came to our shores did not settle out West, they set up shop in urban enclaves to work in our factories. Were not nativists at that time deathly concerned about their "foreign ideas" infiltrating and supplanting Anglo traditions?
  214. @Neil Templeton
    Crow, the frontier closed one hundred forty years ago. Put your crafty brain to work.

    “Crow, the frontier closed one hundred forty years ago. Put your crafty brain to work.”

    Except that a great number of Eastern and Southern Europeans in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s who came to our shores did not settle out West, they set up shop in urban enclaves to work in our factories. Were not nativists at that time deathly concerned about their “foreign ideas” infiltrating and supplanting Anglo traditions?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    They were concerned, and prescient.
  215. @bomag

    Isn’t the more typical phenomenon that women align themselves with power?
     
    I guess he's saying that current women have used their political power and choice to choose flash and bling over true power. When true power eventually asserts itself, they will be under the thumb, and diminished.

    I guess he’s saying that current women have used their political power and choice to choose flash and bling over true power. When true power eventually asserts itself, they will be under the thumb, and diminished.

    Women need protection and income so that they can concentrate on bringing up the next generation. The woman who seeks protection and income to the extent of not having children or paying no attention to the children she has or abandoning the children she has so that she can associate with higher levels of protection / status is limiting her reproductive fitness. Women are born rich (in attractive men’s support) and become poor. Bargains made after abandoning a first child (or a first husband) are apt to be worse than the initial support bargain for that reason.

    So: as far as “they will be under the thumb, and diminished” goes, that’s a trap for women. For an equally rhetorical argument on the other side, try “they will be less likely to fool some poor sap into giving her most of his income for the rest of his life to raise children he will hardly see and quite likely will be made into something he doesn’t like by the public school system and his wife, assuming that she doesn’t abandon them.”

    Counterinsurgency

  216. @ben tillman

    Things are going very very well indeed for rich whites. They’re going very well for upper middle class whites.
     
    They're going much less well than they did previously.

    The chances of getting some kind of solidarity thing going between the privileged whites and the non-privileged whites are less than zero.
     
    All whites are non-privileged, by law.

    All whites are non-privileged, by law.

    So very true – and just the opposite to what is being taught, preached, lectured, and disseminated.

  217. @dfordoom

    All whites are non-privileged, by law.
     
    I do feel desperately sorry for the sufferings of white billionaires. They're really doing it tough. You see them all the time, begging on the streets.

    I do feel desperately sorry for the sufferings of white billionaires. They’re really doing it tough. You see them all the time, begging on the streets.

    White billionaires are rich, not privileged. Our rulers’ treatment of President Trump makes that as plain as day.

  218. @dfordoom

    In a nutshell, this is what Brexit is all about.
     
    Brexit is not going to fix any of this. If anything it will lead to a huge increase in Third World immigration. The British ruling class is solidly globalist. That includes Brexiteers like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. Unless the British can do something about their own ruling class they have zero chance of survival.

    The fact that so many people think Brexit is a magic solution is deeply depressing.

    Many supporters of Brexit don’t think it’s a magic solution, but a necessary first step to recovering control of their borders, chiefly by denying the political class their favorite excuse for not doing anything – that Brussels won’t let them. It would also keep the UK out of any further Merkel boners and the resultant spreading around of future mass influxes. It’s also symbolic of the divide between the people and the political class. So it is very important.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Many supporters of Brexit don’t think it’s a magic solution, but a necessary first step to recovering control of their borders, chiefly by denying the political class their favorite excuse for not doing anything – that Brussels won’t let them. It would also keep the UK out of any further Merkel boners and the resultant spreading around of future mass influxes. It’s also symbolic of the divide between the people and the political class. So it is very important.
     
    Sure, I understand all that. That's how many rank-and-file Brexiteers see things. But I suspect they're being conned. They're still going to be ruled by the same catastrophically awful ruling class. They're likely to end up with a Thatcherite nightmare world. Which is what people like Farage and Boris Johnson want.

    Brexit will be great for commodities brokers in the City. Like Nigel Farage. Probably not so good for the poor schmucks who voted Leave.

    Brexit will also make Britain even more of a U.S. vassal state, a disaster for Britain and the world.
  219. @Moses
    Fundamentally, this example is about whether European peoples have the will to preserve their nations and culture.

    Evidence so far says “no.”

    Next stop, ash heap of history!

    The even more fundamental question, answered negatively for at least the last 80 years, was whether European peoples had the will to preserve their racial unity and strength. It is because we effectively answered negatively that our nations and cultures have been decaying, along with our racial position.

    We – the white race, Western civilization, our individual national states and cultures, whatever you want to call it – have been sliding toward the ash heap of history for longer than almost any of us have been alive. The immivasion is just the aftermath of the real decision we collectively made through action or inaction a long time ago.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Albert Camus backs up your assertion:

    https://i.imgur.com/2Tz2cjE.jpg

    The direction of the world overwhelms me at this time. In the long run, all the continents (yellow, black and brown) will spill over onto Old Europe. They are hundreds and hundreds of millions. They are hungry and they are not afraid to die. We no longer know how to die or how to kill. We could preach, but Europe believes in nothing. So, we must wait for the End Times or a miracle. For my part, I find it harder and harder to live before a wall.
     
    Correspondance: 1932-1960, p.220, Gallimard, 1981.Letter to Jean Granier, 1957
  220. @Sam Malone
    The even more fundamental question, answered negatively for at least the last 80 years, was whether European peoples had the will to preserve their racial unity and strength. It is because we effectively answered negatively that our nations and cultures have been decaying, along with our racial position.

    We - the white race, Western civilization, our individual national states and cultures, whatever you want to call it - have been sliding toward the ash heap of history for longer than almost any of us have been alive. The immivasion is just the aftermath of the real decision we collectively made through action or inaction a long time ago.

    Albert Camus backs up your assertion:

    The direction of the world overwhelms me at this time. In the long run, all the continents (yellow, black and brown) will spill over onto Old Europe. They are hundreds and hundreds of millions. They are hungry and they are not afraid to die. We no longer know how to die or how to kill. We could preach, but Europe believes in nothing. So, we must wait for the End Times or a miracle. For my part, I find it harder and harder to live before a wall.

    Correspondance: 1932-1960, p.220, Gallimard, 1981.Letter to Jean Granier, 1957

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    For my part, I find it harder and harder to live before a wall.
     
    What does this sentence mean? What wall? How is it harder to "live before" one?
    , @95Theses
    An excellent citation of which I was previously unaware. Thanks.
  221. @Corvinus
    "Crow, the frontier closed one hundred forty years ago. Put your crafty brain to work."

    Except that a great number of Eastern and Southern Europeans in the late 1800's/early 1900's who came to our shores did not settle out West, they set up shop in urban enclaves to work in our factories. Were not nativists at that time deathly concerned about their "foreign ideas" infiltrating and supplanting Anglo traditions?

    They were concerned, and prescient.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "They were concerned, and prescient."

    Concerned about Polish Catholics and Italian ruffians overtaking Anglo-Saxon ideals. These groups, while white and European, were essentially deemed "troublemakers" incapable of assimilating in large numbers. Yet, by magic dirt, they achieved that noble goal. So how do you rectify your dilemma?

    Furthermore, by employing the term "prescient", you realize you are implying that said groups...must go back. I thought you were pro-white.

  222. @Sam Malone
    Many supporters of Brexit don't think it's a magic solution, but a necessary first step to recovering control of their borders, chiefly by denying the political class their favorite excuse for not doing anything - that Brussels won't let them. It would also keep the UK out of any further Merkel boners and the resultant spreading around of future mass influxes. It's also symbolic of the divide between the people and the political class. So it is very important.

    Many supporters of Brexit don’t think it’s a magic solution, but a necessary first step to recovering control of their borders, chiefly by denying the political class their favorite excuse for not doing anything – that Brussels won’t let them. It would also keep the UK out of any further Merkel boners and the resultant spreading around of future mass influxes. It’s also symbolic of the divide between the people and the political class. So it is very important.

    Sure, I understand all that. That’s how many rank-and-file Brexiteers see things. But I suspect they’re being conned. They’re still going to be ruled by the same catastrophically awful ruling class. They’re likely to end up with a Thatcherite nightmare world. Which is what people like Farage and Boris Johnson want.

    Brexit will be great for commodities brokers in the City. Like Nigel Farage. Probably not so good for the poor schmucks who voted Leave.

    Brexit will also make Britain even more of a U.S. vassal state, a disaster for Britain and the world.

  223. @Neil Templeton
    They were concerned, and prescient.

    “They were concerned, and prescient.”

    Concerned about Polish Catholics and Italian ruffians overtaking Anglo-Saxon ideals. These groups, while white and European, were essentially deemed “troublemakers” incapable of assimilating in large numbers. Yet, by magic dirt, they achieved that noble goal. So how do you rectify your dilemma?

    Furthermore, by employing the term “prescient”, you realize you are implying that said groups…must go back. I thought you were pro-white.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Concerned about Polish Catholics and Italian ruffians overtaking Anglo-Saxon ideals... they achieved that noble goal. So how do you rectify your dilemma?
     
    What dilemma?

    1) Anglo-Saxon ideals weakened plenty in the face of this immigration.

    2) The Poles and Italians are wonderful people, but Anglo-Saxon America should have grown by internal increase.

    3) Poles and Italians are much closer in civilizational aesthetics to Anglo Saxons compared to Africans or Asians. As an analogy, just because Swedish immigration into Norway seemed to work, that doesn't mean any body immigrating into Norway is going to work to the same extent. Just because you think something worked once, that doesn't mean it works always, especially when the conditions are different, and the inputs are different.

    you are implying that said groups…must go back
     
    Being against immigration means stopping the inflow and living with what's here. That is the natural endgame: you move somewhere, set up shop, and start enjoying the place without bodies continuing to crowd around you.
  224. @Edward
    Race isn’t the main factor, class and education are. I freely admit that I don’t want to live in a bad, dysfunctional location, but I don’t want to live among the white underclass any more than I want to live among the black or immigrant underclass.

    If I had a choice between living in a neighbourhood filled with educated South and East Asian, African, White and mixed-race people, or living in an all-white, dying, trashy town in the North of England, I would choose the first option.

    That’s why, as a highly educated middle-class white, my closest neighbours include educated Syrian, Indian, Chinese and Pakistani families.

    If I had a choice between living in a neighbourhood filled with educated South and East Asian, African, White and mixed-race people, or living in an all-white, dying, trashy town in the North of England, I would choose the first option.

    A bit of dissembling on your part: if we get to specify neighborhoods, almost everyone chooses educated White.

    When there are educated South and East Asians; Africans; and mixed-race people around, their dying, trashy co-ethnics are not far behind. And those tend to be far worse than your North England cohort.

  225. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:

    The problem is that in most of the world (practically all of it really) family ties come before friends/neighbors. It really is only a few nations in northwestern Europe (and their descendants elsewhere) who don’t think this way.

    You may prefer educated Asians over your dumb kinsfolk, but they prefer their dumb relatives over you, and will replace you with them if given the chance.

    • Agree: bomag
  226. @Cagey Beast
    Albert Camus backs up your assertion:

    https://i.imgur.com/2Tz2cjE.jpg

    The direction of the world overwhelms me at this time. In the long run, all the continents (yellow, black and brown) will spill over onto Old Europe. They are hundreds and hundreds of millions. They are hungry and they are not afraid to die. We no longer know how to die or how to kill. We could preach, but Europe believes in nothing. So, we must wait for the End Times or a miracle. For my part, I find it harder and harder to live before a wall.
     
    Correspondance: 1932-1960, p.220, Gallimard, 1981.Letter to Jean Granier, 1957

    For my part, I find it harder and harder to live before a wall.

    What does this sentence mean? What wall? How is it harder to “live before” one?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I think he means living in front of the wall a firing squad uses as a backstop.
  227. @Corvinus
    "They were concerned, and prescient."

    Concerned about Polish Catholics and Italian ruffians overtaking Anglo-Saxon ideals. These groups, while white and European, were essentially deemed "troublemakers" incapable of assimilating in large numbers. Yet, by magic dirt, they achieved that noble goal. So how do you rectify your dilemma?

    Furthermore, by employing the term "prescient", you realize you are implying that said groups...must go back. I thought you were pro-white.

    Concerned about Polish Catholics and Italian ruffians overtaking Anglo-Saxon ideals… they achieved that noble goal. So how do you rectify your dilemma?

    What dilemma?

    1) Anglo-Saxon ideals weakened plenty in the face of this immigration.

    2) The Poles and Italians are wonderful people, but Anglo-Saxon America should have grown by internal increase.

    3) Poles and Italians are much closer in civilizational aesthetics to Anglo Saxons compared to Africans or Asians. As an analogy, just because Swedish immigration into Norway seemed to work, that doesn’t mean any body immigrating into Norway is going to work to the same extent. Just because you think something worked once, that doesn’t mean it works always, especially when the conditions are different, and the inputs are different.

    you are implying that said groups…must go back

    Being against immigration means stopping the inflow and living with what’s here. That is the natural endgame: you move somewhere, set up shop, and start enjoying the place without bodies continuing to crowd around you.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "1) Anglo-Saxon ideals weakened plenty in the face of this immigration."

    So now it's "Anglo-Saxon ideals" rather than "European ideals"? Was not our nation predicated upon a wide range of ethnic groups and religious, with our political tenets based upon a combination of Greek, Roman, English, and colonial traditions?

    "2) The Poles and Italians are wonderful people, but Anglo-Saxon America should have grown by internal increase."

    According to Who/Whom?

    "3) Poles and Italians are much closer in civilizational aesthetics to Anglo Saxons compared to Africans or Asians."

    Again, according to Who/Whom? What metrics are involved in these "civilizational aesthetics"? Moreover, this notion that Anglo-Saxonism was diluted due to the inclusion of Eastern/Southern Europeans into the body politic would be particularly galling to the newcomers, considering they also helped to forge this nation.. It is as if you agree that among European whites, one group is superior than another group. It appears you are saying "Hey, you Poles and Italians, you sort of ruined a nation that was truly built by Anglo-Saxons, but I guess you can stay because you are European and white, even though you are on the lower end of an arbitrary totem pole".

    Does such an attitude generate much needed white unity?

    "Just because you think something worked once, that doesn’t mean it works always, especially when the conditions are different, and the inputs are different."

    Actually, it worked several times, with those conditions and inputs quite similar in nature.

    "Being against immigration means stopping the inflow and living with what’s here. That is the natural endgame: you move somewhere, set up shop, and start enjoying the place without bodies continuing to crowd around you."

    So should have Eastern/Southern Europeans stayed where they were and built a better there, rather than try to build a better there here?
  228. @bomag

    Concerned about Polish Catholics and Italian ruffians overtaking Anglo-Saxon ideals... they achieved that noble goal. So how do you rectify your dilemma?
     
    What dilemma?

    1) Anglo-Saxon ideals weakened plenty in the face of this immigration.

    2) The Poles and Italians are wonderful people, but Anglo-Saxon America should have grown by internal increase.

    3) Poles and Italians are much closer in civilizational aesthetics to Anglo Saxons compared to Africans or Asians. As an analogy, just because Swedish immigration into Norway seemed to work, that doesn't mean any body immigrating into Norway is going to work to the same extent. Just because you think something worked once, that doesn't mean it works always, especially when the conditions are different, and the inputs are different.

    you are implying that said groups…must go back
     
    Being against immigration means stopping the inflow and living with what's here. That is the natural endgame: you move somewhere, set up shop, and start enjoying the place without bodies continuing to crowd around you.

    “1) Anglo-Saxon ideals weakened plenty in the face of this immigration.”

    So now it’s “Anglo-Saxon ideals” rather than “European ideals”? Was not our nation predicated upon a wide range of ethnic groups and religious, with our political tenets based upon a combination of Greek, Roman, English, and colonial traditions?

    “2) The Poles and Italians are wonderful people, but Anglo-Saxon America should have grown by internal increase.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “3) Poles and Italians are much closer in civilizational aesthetics to Anglo Saxons compared to Africans or Asians.”

    Again, according to Who/Whom? What metrics are involved in these “civilizational aesthetics”? Moreover, this notion that Anglo-Saxonism was diluted due to the inclusion of Eastern/Southern Europeans into the body politic would be particularly galling to the newcomers, considering they also helped to forge this nation.. It is as if you agree that among European whites, one group is superior than another group. It appears you are saying “Hey, you Poles and Italians, you sort of ruined a nation that was truly built by Anglo-Saxons, but I guess you can stay because you are European and white, even though you are on the lower end of an arbitrary totem pole”.

    Does such an attitude generate much needed white unity?

    “Just because you think something worked once, that doesn’t mean it works always, especially when the conditions are different, and the inputs are different.”

    Actually, it worked several times, with those conditions and inputs quite similar in nature.

    “Being against immigration means stopping the inflow and living with what’s here. That is the natural endgame: you move somewhere, set up shop, and start enjoying the place without bodies continuing to crowd around you.”

    So should have Eastern/Southern Europeans stayed where they were and built a better there, rather than try to build a better there here?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton

    So should have Eastern/Southern Europeans stayed where they were and built a better there, rather than try to build a better there here?
     
    Yes.
  229. @Anonymous

    For my part, I find it harder and harder to live before a wall.
     
    What does this sentence mean? What wall? How is it harder to "live before" one?

    I think he means living in front of the wall a firing squad uses as a backstop.

  230. @Corvinus
    "1) Anglo-Saxon ideals weakened plenty in the face of this immigration."

    So now it's "Anglo-Saxon ideals" rather than "European ideals"? Was not our nation predicated upon a wide range of ethnic groups and religious, with our political tenets based upon a combination of Greek, Roman, English, and colonial traditions?

    "2) The Poles and Italians are wonderful people, but Anglo-Saxon America should have grown by internal increase."

    According to Who/Whom?

    "3) Poles and Italians are much closer in civilizational aesthetics to Anglo Saxons compared to Africans or Asians."

    Again, according to Who/Whom? What metrics are involved in these "civilizational aesthetics"? Moreover, this notion that Anglo-Saxonism was diluted due to the inclusion of Eastern/Southern Europeans into the body politic would be particularly galling to the newcomers, considering they also helped to forge this nation.. It is as if you agree that among European whites, one group is superior than another group. It appears you are saying "Hey, you Poles and Italians, you sort of ruined a nation that was truly built by Anglo-Saxons, but I guess you can stay because you are European and white, even though you are on the lower end of an arbitrary totem pole".

    Does such an attitude generate much needed white unity?

    "Just because you think something worked once, that doesn’t mean it works always, especially when the conditions are different, and the inputs are different."

    Actually, it worked several times, with those conditions and inputs quite similar in nature.

    "Being against immigration means stopping the inflow and living with what’s here. That is the natural endgame: you move somewhere, set up shop, and start enjoying the place without bodies continuing to crowd around you."

    So should have Eastern/Southern Europeans stayed where they were and built a better there, rather than try to build a better there here?

    So should have Eastern/Southern Europeans stayed where they were and built a better there, rather than try to build a better there here?

    Yes.

  231. “So should have Eastern/Southern Europeans stayed where they were and built a better there, rather than try to build a better there here? YES”.

    At least you are admitting you are simultaneously anti-white and elitist. So much for you supporting white, European unity in the States…

    It’s clear that you have to go back.

  232. All in due time, my little black one. Rave on, Crow.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "All in due time, my little black one. Rave on, Crow."

    Eastern and Southern Europeans aren't going back, nor will there be any effort to force them back. At least you are tacitly admitting you are anti-white and believe in an ethnic European hierarchy. Now we know who we are dealing with.
  233. @Cagey Beast
    Albert Camus backs up your assertion:

    https://i.imgur.com/2Tz2cjE.jpg

    The direction of the world overwhelms me at this time. In the long run, all the continents (yellow, black and brown) will spill over onto Old Europe. They are hundreds and hundreds of millions. They are hungry and they are not afraid to die. We no longer know how to die or how to kill. We could preach, but Europe believes in nothing. So, we must wait for the End Times or a miracle. For my part, I find it harder and harder to live before a wall.
     
    Correspondance: 1932-1960, p.220, Gallimard, 1981.Letter to Jean Granier, 1957

    An excellent citation of which I was previously unaware. Thanks.

  234. @Neil Templeton
    All in due time, my little black one. Rave on, Crow.

    “All in due time, my little black one. Rave on, Crow.”

    Eastern and Southern Europeans aren’t going back, nor will there be any effort to force them back. At least you are tacitly admitting you are anti-white and believe in an ethnic European hierarchy. Now we know who we are dealing with.

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