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How can we forget the Constitution’s Zeroth Amendment?

The Establishment is going nuts over Khizr Khan because his story so perfectly supports the bipartisan imperial consensus:

We need to let in more Muslim immigrant cannon fodder in order to kill more Muslims in their own countries in response to the Muslims we let into our country killing us.

Rinse and repeat.

Also, if we don’t let in even more Muslims, the ones who are already here will get mad at us for being Islamophobic and haters, and therefore kill us.

Granted, the actual numbers aren’t very promising. As far as I can tell, 14 Muslim-American U.S. soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American U.S. soldiers.

Okay, so we’re losing soldiers on each one. (Never mind 3,000 dead civilians in the U.S.)

But we’ll make up for it on volume!

But that’s not the point. The point is that global empire costs a lot of money, which lines a lot of pockets around the Beltway, so we need to keep the Invade / Invite perpetual motion money machine going.

 
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  1. There it is, iSteve commentariat.

    That picture is the future of America. Petulant, entitled, resentful squat monsters.

    You know what? You broke it, you bought it. America is all yours. Canada too. We’re gonna go.

    But what we do next might just surprise you.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Move to Mars? I don't know about you but I'm staying.
    , @Henry Bowman
    Go where? The Moon? Mars? Unless you have a hyper drive we are stuck here.
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    • LOL: 415 reasons
    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    And this was BEFORE 9/11. Prophetic.
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  3. Is Khan wagging the Constitution, or is that his finger?

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  4. anon • Disclaimer says:

    As usual the holy bible gets it right . To wit :
    Genesis 16:12 in reference to Ishmael , the father of the Muslim world .
    He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

    Has anything ever been written that was more true about the Muslims ?

    His hand is against everyone ( including himself ) , and everyones hand ( including his own hand ) against him.

    Witness Muslims fighting bhuddists in Myanmar and Thailand and China and demanding a sharia country being carved out for them . Witness Muslims fighting Hindus and Sikhs in Indian . Witness Muslims fighting Jews in Israel. Witness muslims fighting Christians in USA , Russia ,Germany, France ,Philippines ,Indonesia ,Papua , Sudan ……etc .

    Witness muslims killing each other in Iraq, Syria , Sudan , Mauritania , Afghanistan ,Pakistan , Indonesia , Yemen …………………..

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    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @KA
    This why you don't trust Bible . It is kind of the same reason you don't trust Huckabee ,Newt ,Bill Graham or the neoconservatives who brought Islamophbia .They introduced the Geller Spencer Emerson variety of Islamphobia by misinterpreting all the events that have been happening since 7th century knowing fully well the Bible thump-er understands how A connects to B but nothing beyond and will not be able to appreciate the more complex interrelated events . It is beyond their brain . Bible has been repeatedly contradicted by the same authors .In that category it fares no better than Clinton or the arch Islamophobe neocons contradicting themselves
    , @Corvinus
    "As usual the holy bible gets it right..."

    You are a dolt. Did you even consider the historical context of Genesis 16:12? No.

    https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/963-ishmael-his-hand-against-every-man

    In the end, the Muslims who served in the American military are citizens who died for their country.
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  5. http://ericposner.com/is-an-immigration-ban-on-muslims-unconstitutional/

    Moratorium on immigration from Muslim countries wouldn’t actually be unconstitutional.

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    • Replies: @Travis
    true , it is constitutional. and current law still prohibits those with an ideology opposed to our constitution from getting visas. We still ban former NAZI members and communists cannot get green cards.

    Our immigration policy currently discriminate against other nations. One glaring example is the greencard lottery which is not available to the UK, Chinese and Mexicans but is available to Libyans, Egyptions, among other mostly muslim nations.
    , @pyrrhus
    Duh! We had it for 200 years....
    , @PistolPete
    Even for some reason it were unconstitutional, so what? Its not a death pact. We can't have hostile people come to our country, to kill us freely. We should view Muslims as a foreign enemy army.
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  6. “As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers.”

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white “men” and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don’t worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven’t had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

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    • Replies: @GW
    Muslim men like little boys. So you do have a lot in common with them I guess.
    , @Anonymous
    Remember Dyan's advice for guaranteed military victory......always fight Arabs.
    , @unpc downunder
    I though you liberals didn't believe in the stereotypical concepts of masculinity and femininity. In a liberal utopia isn't everyone supposed to be an androgynous bisexual?

    Oh I get it, masculinity is okay for non-whites, but not for whites, got ya.
    , @Richard Steele
    My beloved Tiny Duck is at it again--and he's killing it. Great job, Tiny Duck--you have got to be my favorite troll--or are you a troll? (wink, wink)--that I've ever encountered. Please keep me smiling; I need it now more than ever as America descends deeper and deeper into the quagmire of multiculturalism, feminism, liberalism, and poverty.
    , @Anonymous
    History show who the victorious ones are...
    "come from the land of the ice and snow,
    From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow.
    Hammer of the gods, will drive our ships to new land.
    To fight the hordes, and sing and cry.
    Valhalla I am coming.

    Always sweep with, with threshing oar.
    Our only goal will be the western shore.

    Ah, ah.
    We come from the land of the ice and snow,
    From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow.
    How soft your fields so green. Can whisper tales of gore.
    Of how we calmed the tides of war. We are your over Lords.

    Always sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.

    So now you'd better stop, and rebuild all your ruins.
    For peace and trust can win the day, despite of all your losing."
    , @Pat Hannagan
    You seem a veritable font of knowledge, Tiny Duck, so I'm hoping you could express your thoughts on the Islamic practice of thighing.

    "Thighing" Aisha
    Muhammad placed his penis between the thighs of Aisha and he massaged it to orgasm since he could not have sexual intercourse with her until she was nine.

    Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet.
    After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:

    It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children (mufa’khathat literally translated means "placing between the thighs" which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, also practiced the "thighing" of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be please with her.

    After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:

    It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kufar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.[10][11]
     
    Is this something you practice at home and abroad?
    , @Grandpa Jack
    Blatant comment-baiting trolls like Tiny Duck are the reason Unz adds a "Commenters to Ignore" button. Feel free to use it. Without the attention, he'll be forced to go back to fapping to Huffpost articles about Conchita Wurst.
    , @Grandpa Jack
    Muslim men are the ones having their way with goats, or having kids with their cousins. When they have a chance to have kids. Many of them don't have kids or wives at all- something to do with that wonderful policy of allowing the wealthiest to have a dozen wives. Its a few having a lot of kids that skews the average. Predictably, it leads to lots of angry young men living life more on the edge.

    People of color are the primary ones who have engaged in slavery. I get a chuckle out of NOI buffoons who sing praise to Islam when it was overwhelmingly Muslims who enslaved and conquered Africa.

    And just because your wonderful People of Color are too stupid or incompetent to have invent modern weapons, and instead resorted to mass slaughter with whatever they could get their hands on, engaged in cannibalism, engaged in slaughtering men and raping women in tribes they conquered, don't mistake their incompetence as virtuous morality.

    The good news is, libtards like you are the ones with the lowest birthrates of all.
    , @Honorary Thief
    I haven't met THAT many Muslim men, thankfully, but none were particularly manly. Just run of the mill brown people...
    , @Grandpa Jack
    You're confusing 'not bathing regularly' with being masculine. Kind of like how some claim oafish men having a fat beer belly are masculine. I can tell you that definitely, there aren't too many women interested in guys with any of those traits.
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  7. George W. Bush / Hillary R. Clinton
    Invade the World / Invite the World

    They’re really a very complimentary pair. Enjoy the decline.

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    • Replies: @gruff
    Complementary. It's a different word.
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  8. It’s interesting how the left went nuts over Clint Eastwood’s film, “American Sniper,” but now they’re promoting Khizr Khan’s son as an American hero. Chris Kyle and Khizr Khan both fought in the same pointless war (which Hillary supported and Trump opposed).

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    • Replies: @GW
    Yeah, the left finally found an American soldier they like.

    Of course if we're talking about Muslim soldiers we might want to do a cost benefit analysis, but I doubt they'd be cool with that.
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  9. @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    Muslim men like little boys. So you do have a lot in common with them I guess.

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  10. @JohnnyD
    It's interesting how the left went nuts over Clint Eastwood's film, "American Sniper," but now they're promoting Khizr Khan's son as an American hero. Chris Kyle and Khizr Khan both fought in the same pointless war (which Hillary supported and Trump opposed).

    Yeah, the left finally found an American soldier they like.

    Of course if we’re talking about Muslim soldiers we might want to do a cost benefit analysis, but I doubt they’d be cool with that.

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  11. O/T: The latest in World War T — now National Geographic is going to lecture you small-minded bigots on how it’s Science, So There:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/couric-national-geographic-team-gender-documentary-41019767

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    National Geographic is owned by Murdoch now.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/09/150909-21st-century-fox-media-partnership/
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  12. Someday we’ll find out that Khizr Kahn is actually Khazar Cohen. He may even show up on “The Actor’s Studio.” But not till after the election.

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  13. I’m confused.

    Mr. Kahn’s son was killed by Muslims in one of Hillary’s wars. Why is he mad because Trump doesn’t want to let the people who killed his son into the country?

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    • Replies: @Flinders Petrie

    I’m confused.

    Mr. Kahn’s son was killed by Muslims in one of Hillary’s wars. Why is he mad because Trump doesn’t want to let the people who killed his son into the country?
     
    https://youtu.be/CKq_BdDPQ7I
    , @guest
    I don't care why he's mad. What's important is why this is a news story. One answer: because it's a "bipartisan" thing. Conservatives are hopped up on the soldier part, while progressives have the Person of Color angle. Trump's eminently reasonable critique of McCain's heroism, or lackthereof, lacked legs for the fact that McCain isn't brown. This story won't have legs, either, because who cares? But so long as it lasts it's due to the brownness.
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  14. MG says:

    More Muslims would be alive today if Trump had been President from 2000-2008. I am glad Trump’s not backing down. Mr. Khan’s tribe discovers niceties like the Constitution and secular living only when it is in the minority.

    As for the media freakout, Kate Steinle’s parents were invisible to the MSM ponces.

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  15. So you have 14 out of around 6,000 American military combat deaths since 2001 or around 0.23% of American combat deaths vs. around a 0.9% overall Muslim population. So they are underrepresented by a factor of almost 4x. But they are nevertheless the Gold Star parents Hillary chose to bring on stage. Just more Coalition of the Fringes – they live in their own reality and facts and statistics mean nothing to them. And these folks are the posterboys – I can only imagine what some of the others were like. I wish I had the audition tapes where the other 13 sets of parents would get upset and shout Kill Bush or whatever.

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    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    The analysis I'd really like to see is whether a Muslim in the western world is more likely to become a soldier for their host nation or a soldier for ISIS.
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  16. @BenKenobi
    There it is, iSteve commentariat.

    That picture is the future of America. Petulant, entitled, resentful squat monsters.

    You know what? You broke it, you bought it. America is all yours. Canada too. We're gonna go.

    But what we do next might just surprise you.

    Move to Mars? I don’t know about you but I’m staying.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    I was thinking more along the lines of "sovereign ethnostate in North America".

    But since you brought it up, Paul Kersey has written extensively on the topic of 'The Space Program and Racial Politics'. It hasn't escaped my notice that (to abridge things slightly) in the lates 60s we had a choice between moonbase and multiculturalism.

    We chose wrong.
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  17. @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    Remember Dyan’s advice for guaranteed military victory……always fight Arabs.

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  18. Inviting Muslims into your country is like playing a game of Russian roulette with your country. Yes, most of the chambers are empty but if something does go wrong the consequences are disastrous. The standard leftist drivel is, “Well, most Muslims aren’t terrorists, most Muslims aren’t suicide bombers. ” Would Liberals let their children play Russian roulette knowing that most of the chambers are empty and therefore harmless? No, of course they wouldn’t. So the effect of Muslim immigration is that you are no better off or dead. Cost-benefit analysis says keep Muslims out.

    Remember legal Muslim immigration is why we have a huge surveillance state; it is why we have been on a perpetual war footing since 9/11; and why the nations of Western Europe seem to suffer a terrorist attack each week now.

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    My reply to the "99.9% of Muslims aren't terrorists!" remark has always been "Just like 99.99% of guns in America never shoot anyone!" Almost always shuts them up.
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  19. @timothy
    http://ericposner.com/is-an-immigration-ban-on-muslims-unconstitutional/

    Moratorium on immigration from Muslim countries wouldn't actually be unconstitutional.

    true , it is constitutional. and current law still prohibits those with an ideology opposed to our constitution from getting visas. We still ban former NAZI members and communists cannot get green cards.

    Our immigration policy currently discriminate against other nations. One glaring example is the greencard lottery which is not available to the UK, Chinese and Mexicans but is available to Libyans, Egyptions, among other mostly muslim nations.

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    • Replies: @donut
    " communists cannot get green cards"

    We elected one as president .
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  20. I’m confused. I thought the Left officially gave up on patriotism. The more patriotic people feel, the less likely they are to vote Dem. And celebrating soldiers of today’s army is patriotic, no matter how weak it has become.

    What gives?

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "I’m confused. I thought the Left officially gave up on patriotism. "
     
    And yet you had so much patriotism on display the last night of the Democratic Convention that people in the MSM were joking that it was the best Republican convention they had ever seen.

    Ask yourself how the Republicans became the red party after the Reds took over the Democrat party. It truly is amazing how the Republicans are so inept at managing the narrative, but it is no shock that the Dems are winning these sorts of narratives ... it's because they have a lock on the MSM and all the talent that feeds into it.

    The left might have given up on patriotism, but they have no qualms about exhuming its corpse to win one for the cause. If the Republican party still exists in 2020, you can bet the Democrats will be running on the legacy of Ronald Reagan.
    , @jtgw
    What matters is whether the commander-in-chief is of the Left. The Left has never been against war in principle.
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  21. I must have missed this guy at the DNC, what with all the other memorable speakers (transgender, illegal immigrants, little people, mentally handicapped…). Hey, did you know that the white house was built by slaves? Tolerance!

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    I must have missed this guy at the DNC, what with all the other memorable speakers (transgender, illegal immigrants, little people, mentally handicapped…). Hey, did you know that the white house was built by slaves? Tolerance!
     
    Actually the present day White House Moochelle Obamas lives in was not built by slaves. White House renovation was super extensive while Truman was President. The place was 95% rebuilt due to rot (my guess). What was left intact were the outside walls built by slaves and non-slaves. Was shoddy slave labor to blame for the necessity of that White House rebuilding? (joking)
    iirc Truman and his wife lived in the Naval Observatory building during this renovation. Same place the VPs traditionally live at.

    At any rate the White House was not originally built solely by slave labor with massa cracking the whip, which is the impression (lie) Moooochelle was trying to make. She was also saying subliminally that America was built by slave labor, which is a common meme these days. Just ask BLM know nothings.

    , @tbraton
    " Hey, did you know that the white house was built by slaves? Tolerance!"

    You left out (and Michelle as well) the very important fact that it was partially designed by Sally Hemings' paramour, some obscure slave owner in Virginia.
    , @CCZ
    Tolerance!

    From Taki’s Magazine, “The Week That Perished”

    Outside the walled-in [Democratic] convention, a fat black woman on a truck bed barked through a megaphone that white people needed to move to the back of their march:

    I need all white people to move to the back—make space because this is a Black Resistance March. I need all white people to move to the back and make room for the black and brown brothers and sisters…You will appropriately take your place in the back of this march because it will be truly led by the black and brown community and that’s it…Make room for black media. White media get to the back. Black media come to the front.
     
    Rosa Parks would be proud!

    http://takimag.com/article/the_week_that_perished_takimag_july_31_2016/print#ixzz4G1FKnHLE
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  22. @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    I though you liberals didn’t believe in the stereotypical concepts of masculinity and femininity. In a liberal utopia isn’t everyone supposed to be an androgynous bisexual?

    Oh I get it, masculinity is okay for non-whites, but not for whites, got ya.

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  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    But that’s not the point. The point is that global empire costs a lot of money, which lines a lot of pockets around the Beltway, so we need to keep the Invade / Invite perpetual motion money machine going.

    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren’t actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Ethnic cleansing has a far greater propensity to provoke violent response than benign, if foreign, administration.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren’t actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Why don't we get terrorist attacks from Tibetans . After all China is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy to displace the native Tibetans with Han Chinese. In addition they have killed over a million Tibetans.

    Why don't we get terrorist attacks from Papuans . After all Indonesia is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy known as Transmigrasi to displace the native Papuans with Indonesians . In addition they have killed over half a million Papuans.

    To put this in perspective , Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians since the conflict in 1967 to the present day. China has killed 1 million Tibetans since occupation in 1951 until today. Indonesia has killed 500,000 million Papuans since the occupation began in 1963 until today. China has been occupying Tibet longer and has done 40X the killing Israel has. Indonesia has been occupying Papua longer and has done 20X the killing Israel has.
    , @International Jew
    It's not the case of cause and effect you seem to think it is. The Palestinians became "dispossessed" 68 years ago because they didn't play well with others. Muslims today are simply displaying the same destructive tendency.

    If (as many of us here hope) Europeans wise up before it's too late, then in the late 21st century, certain residents of Syria and Algeria and Somalia will moan about the "dispossession" of their Europe-residing great-grandparents.

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  24. Top Muslim Wall Street Journal reporter converts to Christianity after jihadist attack on priest

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/top-muslim-wall-street-journal-reporter-converts-to-christianity-after-jihadist-attack-on-priest

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    • Replies: @Anon
    I hope he hired a bodyguard to watch his back. Mohammedans are not fans of people leaving the faith.
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    2 violent extremes.
     
    One real, one imaginary.
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  26. @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    My beloved Tiny Duck is at it again–and he’s killing it. Great job, Tiny Duck–you have got to be my favorite troll–or are you a troll? (wink, wink)–that I’ve ever encountered. Please keep me smiling; I need it now more than ever as America descends deeper and deeper into the quagmire of multiculturalism, feminism, liberalism, and poverty.

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    • Replies: @bomag
    It has dawned on me that Tiny Duck is one of us; he's just riffing a blue pill vibe.
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  27. Will someone, please, help us American voters understand why the DNC didn’t seek out Nidal Hasan’s dear old mama & papa to speak Convention Invective to White Supremacist Power?

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  28. OT: this devolves quickly into – how dare some westerner define civilization for the rest of us??

    https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/4vbb2s/why_hadnt_indigenous_australians_developed_a/

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  29. @newrouter
    Top Muslim Wall Street Journal reporter converts to Christianity after jihadist attack on priest

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/top-muslim-wall-street-journal-reporter-converts-to-christianity-after-jihadist-attack-on-priest

    I hope he hired a bodyguard to watch his back. Mohammedans are not fans of people leaving the faith.

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  30. @Jack D
    So you have 14 out of around 6,000 American military combat deaths since 2001 or around 0.23% of American combat deaths vs. around a 0.9% overall Muslim population. So they are underrepresented by a factor of almost 4x. But they are nevertheless the Gold Star parents Hillary chose to bring on stage. Just more Coalition of the Fringes - they live in their own reality and facts and statistics mean nothing to them. And these folks are the posterboys - I can only imagine what some of the others were like. I wish I had the audition tapes where the other 13 sets of parents would get upset and shout Kill Bush or whatever.

    The analysis I’d really like to see is whether a Muslim in the western world is more likely to become a soldier for their host nation or a soldier for ISIS.

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  31. This Pakistani, Khizr Kahn, has an interesting pedigree and is more than likely a descendant of Sayyid Khizr Khan ibn Malik Sulaiman, founder of the Sayyid dynasty in Delhi.

    India has a long history of invasion and occupation

    Of the list of Hindu killers Muslims are prominent. Of Mahmud Ghori “Those of the horizon who were wise and acute were converted to Islam, but those who stood by their ancestoral faith were slain with the sword”

    20,000 prisoners were taken and made slaves. Three bastions were raised as high as heaven with their heads, and their carcases became food for the beasts of prey.

    It will be interesting to see Indians and Pakistanis peacefully coalescing in the Democrat’s Coalition of the Fringes. Tiny Duck may like to explain how it all works.

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    Because Pakistanis that make it to America (instead of choosing something like Britain/Europe) tend to not old onto old world grudges or come here because they openly acknowledge Pakistan sucks.

    No Pakistani-American I know of speaks of Pakistan in any positive, they look to India as an example of good progress they wish Pakistan would make.

    British Pakistanis are a whole other breed and I don't know why, they've festered a toxic culture there..
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  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    History show who the victorious ones are…
    “come from the land of the ice and snow,
    From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow.
    Hammer of the gods, will drive our ships to new land.
    To fight the hordes, and sing and cry.
    Valhalla I am coming.

    Always sweep with, with threshing oar.
    Our only goal will be the western shore.

    Ah, ah.
    We come from the land of the ice and snow,
    From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow.
    How soft your fields so green. Can whisper tales of gore.
    Of how we calmed the tides of war. We are your over Lords.

    Always sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.

    So now you’d better stop, and rebuild all your ruins.
    For peace and trust can win the day, despite of all your losing.”

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    I believe the phrase is "on we sweep, with threshing oar..."
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  33. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    But that’s not the point. The point is that global empire costs a lot of money, which lines a lot of pockets around the Beltway, so we need to keep the Invade / Invite perpetual motion money machine going.

    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren't actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Ethnic cleansing has a far greater propensity to provoke violent response than benign, if foreign, administration.

    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren’t actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Why don’t we get terrorist attacks from Tibetans . After all China is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy to displace the native Tibetans with Han Chinese. In addition they have killed over a million Tibetans.

    Why don’t we get terrorist attacks from Papuans . After all Indonesia is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy known as Transmigrasi to displace the native Papuans with Indonesians . In addition they have killed over half a million Papuans.

    To put this in perspective , Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians since the conflict in 1967 to the present day. China has killed 1 million Tibetans since occupation in 1951 until today. Indonesia has killed 500,000 million Papuans since the occupation began in 1963 until today. China has been occupying Tibet longer and has done 40X the killing Israel has. Indonesia has been occupying Papua longer and has done 20X the killing Israel has.

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    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren’t actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Why don’t we get terrorist attacks from Tibetans . After all China is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy to displace the native Tibetans with Han Chinese. In addition they have killed over a million Tibetans.

    We are not doing that; China is. Duh. Moreover, China hasn't bombed country after country to facilitate their aims.

    Also, you conveniently omit where native Tibetans are being "displaced" to. Tell us a little more about that.

    Why don’t we get terrorist attacks from Papuans . After all Indonesia is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy known as Transmigrasi to displace the native Papuans with Indonesians . In addition they have killed over half a million Papuans.

    Papuans have full citizenship rights in Indonesia.

    To put this in perspective , Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians since the conflict in 1967 to the present day. China has killed 1 million Tibetans since occupation in 1951 until today. Indonesia has killed 500,000 million Papuans since the occupation began in 1963 until today. China has been occupying Tibet longer and has done 40X the killing Israel has. Indonesia has been occupying Papua longer and has done 20X the killing Israel has.

    Israel and its proxy, the United States, have killed millions of Arabs on the way to establishing jewish supremacism in Palestine. Many millions more have been dispossessed.

    None of your sophistry can obscure the fact that Palestinians have the right to resist the invasion of their homeland with violence, if they so choose. It is an invasion with the explicit goal of subjugating them and the practical effect of driving them from their land. If there is ever a justification for political violence, it is that.
    , @Pat Hannagan
    It's interesting how West Papua aka Irian Jaya has fallen completely off the radar of concerned compassion.

    John Pilger was prominent on the subject but is now mostly concerned with tilting at windmills in the Outback.

    Powerful...Passionate...Commanding.

    I guess one must heroically go wherever the documentary-making money flows.
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  34. @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    You seem a veritable font of knowledge, Tiny Duck, so I’m hoping you could express your thoughts on the Islamic practice of thighing.

    “Thighing” Aisha
    Muhammad placed his penis between the thighs of Aisha and he massaged it to orgasm since he could not have sexual intercourse with her until she was nine.

    Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet.
    After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:

    It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children (mufa’khathat literally translated means “placing between the thighs” which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha – the mother of believers – may Allah be please with her.

    After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:

    It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kufar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.[10][11]

    Is this something you practice at home and abroad?

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  35. The logic is simple: If a single American Muslim dies fighting foreign Muslims, the only solution is more Muslims. If the Arab Spring has shown us anything, it’s that there is a genuine grassroots love of democracy in the Muslim world. There are millions and millions of future patriots in the Middle East, tossing and turning at night as they dream of a shining city on a hill. Many of them are brassy, outspoken feminists like Mrs. Khan.

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  36. Leonard Pitts lays the smackdown!:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article92689912.html

    November, then, is not just an election, but a moment of truth. We are called to decide whether to affirm our nation’s promises, and thus validate the faith and sacrifice of families like the Khans, or whether to burn it all to ash in the fire of our own anger and fear.

    And that’s something else that shouldn’t even be close.

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    What.....? Nothing about "Black Bodies"?
    , @MEH 0910
    Khizr Khan: Trump has a 'black soul'

    Tiny Duck, you can now board the Trump train. Khizr Khan has punched your ticket. Trump's skin may be white, but his soul is black!
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  37. @WowJustWow
    The analysis I'd really like to see is whether a Muslim in the western world is more likely to become a soldier for their host nation or a soldier for ISIS.
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  38. It’s not that hard to spell his surname right.

    The liberal establishment is going crazy over him because he rather visibly undercuts Trump’s contention that all Muslim immigrants to the US are basically paedophile terrorists with no loyalty to the country.

    In any case I hope whoever the next president keeps the US firmly out of foreign conflicts. The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it, even if he gave the country a terrible healthcare system.

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    In any case I hope whoever the next president keeps the US firmly out of foreign conflicts. The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it,
     
    Libya, Syria ,Ukraine ?????????????????????????
    , @Pagoda
    "The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it, even if he gave the country a terrible healthcare system."

    Um, the US is still in Afghanistan, went to Libya, is back in Iraq and now fussing about in Syria. Pass the rock...
    , @Federalist
    Talk about damning with faint praise. Not all Muslim immigrants to the U.S. are pedophile terrorists with no loyalty to country.
    , @Tlotsi
    How do you know he's not a pedophile terrorist? He's proven his lack of loyalty to America by supporting Hillary.
    , @Brutusale
    ...welcome respite...?! Uh, no:

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/under-obama-75-casualties-13-year-afghan-war-55-more-2014
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  39. I know people will bring up the 13 shot dead by Major Hasan. But in case you forgot, here is a story from 2003 in which an Army sergeant in the 101st Airborne fragged some officers in Kuwait shortly before the Iraq Attack was to begin.

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  40. As a chronicler of the last major global empire said of Muslim soldiers over a century ago:

    Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

    - Winston Churchill, The River War, 1899

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  41. @stevesailer

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/constance-wu-on-the-great-wall-our-heroes-dont-look-like-matt-damon/ar-BBv2sHN?ocid=ansmsnent11

    Person of Color Constance Wu complains about Matt Damon’s being cast in a film dealing with Asia. She says, “Our heroes don’t look like Matt Damon. They look like Malala. Gandhi. Mandela.” (Tip: Constance Wu doesn’t look like any of those people.”

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    In a sane society she would be blacklisted from acting forever. Or repatriated
    , @Ivan
    Her heroes should look like Chiang Kai Shek or Mao the Murderer.
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  42. @FactsAreImportant
    I'm confused.

    Mr. Kahn's son was killed by Muslims in one of Hillary's wars. Why is he mad because Trump doesn't want to let the people who killed his son into the country?

    I’m confused.

    Mr. Kahn’s son was killed by Muslims in one of Hillary’s wars. Why is he mad because Trump doesn’t want to let the people who killed his son into the country?

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  43. Tiny Duck is a troll as you all well know , The obvious thing to do is not respond . Take note of who responds to him because they are trolls as well .

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    When you mark a troll as a Commenter to Ignore, can you also Ignore replies to the troll? Maybe Ron could add that feature.
    , @guest
    Responding to trolls doesn't necessarily make you a troll. That's not how trolling works.
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  44. @Tiny Duck
    Leonard Pitts lays the smackdown!:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article92689912.html


    November, then, is not just an election, but a moment of truth. We are called to decide whether to affirm our nation’s promises, and thus validate the faith and sacrifice of families like the Khans, or whether to burn it all to ash in the fire of our own anger and fear.

    And that’s something else that shouldn’t even be close.

    What…..? Nothing about “Black Bodies”?

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  45. @Anon
    2 violent extremes.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/comments/2016/07/28/opinion/germany-caught-between-two-violent-extremes.html

    2 violent extremes.

    One real, one imaginary.

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  46. If you are a parent and your child was killed by an illegal alien that counts for nothing. If you think it does then you are politicizing a tragedy!

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  47. I feel sorry for the guy whose son died in the armed services.

    However, the father is the one who took his son’s sacrifice and tried to make a political issue out of it. Therefore, he deserves to be treated as someone who turned his son into a political football, not as a grieving parent.

    Some Muslim who dies in the armed services doesn’t validate anything. It doesn’t validate open door Muslim immigration, it doesn’t validate Hillary, it doesn’t validate “Religion of Peace”, and it doesn’t validate hating Trump.

    It would be no different than if the father of some generic white kid killed by an IED appeared in Cleveland to talk about how all Muslims are evil, or of the mother of one of the cops murdered in Austin showed up and talked about how all blacks are evil. That would rightly be condemned as fomenting racist hatred. In this case, we are promoting a kind of racist virtue.

    Both arguments are illogical and should be condemned by anyone who is rational.

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    Some Muslim who dies in the armed services doesn’t validate anything. It doesn’t validate open door Muslim immigration, it doesn’t validate Hillary, it doesn’t validate “Religion of Peace”, and it doesn’t validate hating Trump.
     
    To continue your point, one could argue that more racists have fought and died for the USA than any particular minority group. Racists helped to found this nation and contributed mightily to its founding documents and its war of independence. I am sure they landed on Normandy Beach, helped to liberate the camps and are quietly serving to this day.

    Yet you won't hear the democrats or the republicans making the case that racists should be openly welcomed in society. Rather, anyone accused of being a racist is subject to social shunning and a loss of status and employment.
    , @27 year old
    How rational and fairminded of you
    , @Grandpa Jack
    A single anecdote doesn't prove anything, but large numbers of anecdotes pointing in the same direction does make for a stronger case.

    You're correct- a lone Muslim soldier proves nothing, and certainly doesn't justify opening the gates and letting in all Muslims.

    That being said, thousands of Westerners getting raped or murdered by Muslims, and millions of immigrants biting the hand that feeds them, does make a pretty good case about whether or not we should allow them into our country.
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  48. @Richard Steele
    My beloved Tiny Duck is at it again--and he's killing it. Great job, Tiny Duck--you have got to be my favorite troll--or are you a troll? (wink, wink)--that I've ever encountered. Please keep me smiling; I need it now more than ever as America descends deeper and deeper into the quagmire of multiculturalism, feminism, liberalism, and poverty.

    It has dawned on me that Tiny Duck is one of us; he’s just riffing a blue pill vibe.

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    Really?
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Donut.
    , @Perplexed
    Regardless, he's tiresome and predictable. Enough already.
    , @donut
    I'm pretty sure it's JohnnyWalker123 .
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  49. Keith Vaz [AKA "Sir Charles Pipkins"] says:

    So one Muz dies for America while thousands more use terrorism to kill Americans. If that isn’t reason to open our borders, what is? Better thousands of Americans die so these insifferable darky invaders can lwlecture us.

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  50. @Ali Choudhury
    It's not that hard to spell his surname right.

    The liberal establishment is going crazy over him because he rather visibly undercuts Trump's contention that all Muslim immigrants to the US are basically paedophile terrorists with no loyalty to the country.

    In any case I hope whoever the next president keeps the US firmly out of foreign conflicts. The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it, even if he gave the country a terrible healthcare system.

    In any case I hope whoever the next president keeps the US firmly out of foreign conflicts. The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it,

    Libya, Syria ,Ukraine ?????????????????????????

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  51. @bomag
    It has dawned on me that Tiny Duck is one of us; he's just riffing a blue pill vibe.

    Really?

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    Really. I now LOL his comments.
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  52. @SPMoore8
    I feel sorry for the guy whose son died in the armed services.

    However, the father is the one who took his son's sacrifice and tried to make a political issue out of it. Therefore, he deserves to be treated as someone who turned his son into a political football, not as a grieving parent.

    Some Muslim who dies in the armed services doesn't validate anything. It doesn't validate open door Muslim immigration, it doesn't validate Hillary, it doesn't validate "Religion of Peace", and it doesn't validate hating Trump.

    It would be no different than if the father of some generic white kid killed by an IED appeared in Cleveland to talk about how all Muslims are evil, or of the mother of one of the cops murdered in Austin showed up and talked about how all blacks are evil. That would rightly be condemned as fomenting racist hatred. In this case, we are promoting a kind of racist virtue.

    Both arguments are illogical and should be condemned by anyone who is rational.

    Some Muslim who dies in the armed services doesn’t validate anything. It doesn’t validate open door Muslim immigration, it doesn’t validate Hillary, it doesn’t validate “Religion of Peace”, and it doesn’t validate hating Trump.

    To continue your point, one could argue that more racists have fought and died for the USA than any particular minority group. Racists helped to found this nation and contributed mightily to its founding documents and its war of independence. I am sure they landed on Normandy Beach, helped to liberate the camps and are quietly serving to this day.

    Yet you won’t hear the democrats or the republicans making the case that racists should be openly welcomed in society. Rather, anyone accused of being a racist is subject to social shunning and a loss of status and employment.

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    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Perfect.

    Also, one Muslim-American soldier dying for America proves that all Muslims are good, but tens, hundreds, or thousands of Muslim terrorists represent only themselves.
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  53. “The point is that global empire costs a lot of money, which lines a lot of pockets…”

    A Chinese expatriate in Europe (a regular person, not an official) mentioned to someone I know today that the Chinese government seems to be itching for a war, probably to stimulate the economy.

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    I don't know about the PRC, but the US is sure itching for some combat...
    , @scrivener3
    A war between two nuclear parties to stimulate the economy? As in Korea billergence against western powers plays well in domestic politics. I doubt if either desire war. How many ipads would China manufacture for America under war? What would their near trillion dollars in T bonds be worth? Or are you talking about war with Japan or Korea? Similar problems.
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  54. Ed says:

    I hear you Steve but Trump has to be smarter than this he had a good bit in the middle of the clip about the threats of terrorism. Why mess it up with his sacrifice bit or even take a swipe at the mother? He would have gotten more good will be being appropriately generous to the Khans than what he did.

    Doesn’t change my vote but the well coiffed ladies in NoVa, Columbus and Philly are going to be aghast and he needs more of them than not.

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    Trump could have easily responded by saying:

    1. It is sad that this man's son died in a war Hillary started.

    2. It is ghoulish for Hillary to exploit a tragedy she helped bring about.

    3. Let's learn a lesson from this man's tragedy and stop Hillary from bringing his son's killers to this country to kill more sons.

    Its easy really. You don't attack a victim, because he's not the enemy. You attack the perpetrators of the tragedy and show how your policies will help.

    , @PiltdownMan

    Doesn’t change my vote but the well coiffed ladies in NoVa, Columbus and Philly are going to be aghast and he needs more of them than not.
     
    Chivalry is still a non-negotiable for many, especially on the right.

    It's pretty dim of the 70 year old Trump, raised by a traditional Scots mom from the Isle of Jura, to lose sight of this.
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  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren’t actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Why don't we get terrorist attacks from Tibetans . After all China is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy to displace the native Tibetans with Han Chinese. In addition they have killed over a million Tibetans.

    Why don't we get terrorist attacks from Papuans . After all Indonesia is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy known as Transmigrasi to displace the native Papuans with Indonesians . In addition they have killed over half a million Papuans.

    To put this in perspective , Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians since the conflict in 1967 to the present day. China has killed 1 million Tibetans since occupation in 1951 until today. Indonesia has killed 500,000 million Papuans since the occupation began in 1963 until today. China has been occupying Tibet longer and has done 40X the killing Israel has. Indonesia has been occupying Papua longer and has done 20X the killing Israel has.

    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren’t actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Why don’t we get terrorist attacks from Tibetans . After all China is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy to displace the native Tibetans with Han Chinese. In addition they have killed over a million Tibetans.

    We are not doing that; China is. Duh. Moreover, China hasn’t bombed country after country to facilitate their aims.

    Also, you conveniently omit where native Tibetans are being “displaced” to. Tell us a little more about that.

    Why don’t we get terrorist attacks from Papuans . After all Indonesia is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy known as Transmigrasi to displace the native Papuans with Indonesians . In addition they have killed over half a million Papuans.

    Papuans have full citizenship rights in Indonesia.

    To put this in perspective , Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians since the conflict in 1967 to the present day. China has killed 1 million Tibetans since occupation in 1951 until today. Indonesia has killed 500,000 million Papuans since the occupation began in 1963 until today. China has been occupying Tibet longer and has done 40X the killing Israel has. Indonesia has been occupying Papua longer and has done 20X the killing Israel has.

    Israel and its proxy, the United States, have killed millions of Arabs on the way to establishing jewish supremacism in Palestine. Many millions more have been dispossessed.

    None of your sophistry can obscure the fact that Palestinians have the right to resist the invasion of their homeland with violence, if they so choose. It is an invasion with the explicit goal of subjugating them and the practical effect of driving them from their land. If there is ever a justification for political violence, it is that.

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  56. @anon
    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren’t actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Why don't we get terrorist attacks from Tibetans . After all China is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy to displace the native Tibetans with Han Chinese. In addition they have killed over a million Tibetans.

    Why don't we get terrorist attacks from Papuans . After all Indonesia is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy known as Transmigrasi to displace the native Papuans with Indonesians . In addition they have killed over half a million Papuans.

    To put this in perspective , Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians since the conflict in 1967 to the present day. China has killed 1 million Tibetans since occupation in 1951 until today. Indonesia has killed 500,000 million Papuans since the occupation began in 1963 until today. China has been occupying Tibet longer and has done 40X the killing Israel has. Indonesia has been occupying Papua longer and has done 20X the killing Israel has.

    It’s interesting how West Papua aka Irian Jaya has fallen completely off the radar of concerned compassion.

    John Pilger was prominent on the subject but is now mostly concerned with tilting at windmills in the Outback.

    Powerful…Passionate…Commanding.

    I guess one must heroically go wherever the documentary-making money flows.

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  57. @bomag
    It has dawned on me that Tiny Duck is one of us; he's just riffing a blue pill vibe.

    Donut.

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  58. @Anonymous
    But that’s not the point. The point is that global empire costs a lot of money, which lines a lot of pockets around the Beltway, so we need to keep the Invade / Invite perpetual motion money machine going.

    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren't actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Ethnic cleansing has a far greater propensity to provoke violent response than benign, if foreign, administration.

    It’s not the case of cause and effect you seem to think it is. The Palestinians became “dispossessed” 68 years ago because they didn’t play well with others. Muslims today are simply displaying the same destructive tendency.

    If (as many of us here hope) Europeans wise up before it’s too late, then in the late 21st century, certain residents of Syria and Algeria and Somalia will moan about the “dispossession” of their Europe-residing great-grandparents.

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    You're equating Syrian, Algerian, and Somali immigrants in Europe to Palestinians in Palestine. They're not the same thing.
    , @Anonymous
    It’s not the case of cause and effect you seem to think it is. The Palestinians became “dispossessed” 68 years ago because they didn’t play well with others. Muslims today are simply displaying the same destructive tendency.

    Jews invaded Palestine, not because of anything the Palestinians did, but because Jews wanted Palestinian land. The cause and effect is crystal clear. Invasion with intent to subjugate natives, if not dispossess them of the land, typically provokes a violent response. Justifiably so. If anything, the Palestinians were too welcoming and cooperative at first.

    It is Jews who did not play well with others.
    , @SPMoore8
    There were hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims living where Israel is today since the mid-19th Century. Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel's independence, and millions now live under Israeli dominance (in Israel) or control (Greater Israel). Here's a good article on the myth of an "empty" Israel:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1986/01/16/mrs-peterss-palestine/

    These Arabs didn't go anywhere, they were already there, and it's up to Israel to come to a fair modus vivendi with them.

    This has to be contrasted to the migrants in Europe, as well as in the United States, people who deliberately left their homelands in order to live in some other country.

    What is comparable to Israel's situation is the US expansion on the continent, except that we did end up giving our natives reservations, some special privileges, and full citizenship. Israel will never do that, because their "Indians" (if I can describe them so) would amount to approximately 150 millions of the current US population.

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it. But, just as our treaties with the Indians were always broken as soon as someone could find gold or silver on the reserved lands, a significant number of Israelis feel they are entitled to plant a settlement wherever they want, and furthermore, to control all of the infrastructure (including all the water.)

    So, that's the problem. Two state solution is dead, one state solution is dead, so we will probably continue with the status quo until whenever.
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  59. @whorefinder
    I'm confused. I thought the Left officially gave up on patriotism. The more patriotic people feel, the less likely they are to vote Dem. And celebrating soldiers of today's army is patriotic, no matter how weak it has become.

    What gives?

    “I’m confused. I thought the Left officially gave up on patriotism. “

    And yet you had so much patriotism on display the last night of the Democratic Convention that people in the MSM were joking that it was the best Republican convention they had ever seen.

    Ask yourself how the Republicans became the red party after the Reds took over the Democrat party. It truly is amazing how the Republicans are so inept at managing the narrative, but it is no shock that the Dems are winning these sorts of narratives … it’s because they have a lock on the MSM and all the talent that feeds into it.

    The left might have given up on patriotism, but they have no qualms about exhuming its corpse to win one for the cause. If the Republican party still exists in 2020, you can bet the Democrats will be running on the legacy of Ronald Reagan.

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    Impossible for the Republicans to control the media narrative, wikileaks merely confirmed what we all knew already about them taking their orders from the left. They still claim Trump mocked a disabled reporter for being disabled when he was mocking the reporter for lying and confusing the issue around his story after 9/11 of people in NJ celebrating the attack. Flailing his arms around to impersonate confusion and dissembling. The only reason Trump is still going to win is the media is completely distrusted and disliked and that the internet exists.

    Of course, that said, Trump should have counter attacked better.

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  60. @Grumpy
    "The point is that global empire costs a lot of money, which lines a lot of pockets..."

    A Chinese expatriate in Europe (a regular person, not an official) mentioned to someone I know today that the Chinese government seems to be itching for a war, probably to stimulate the economy.

    I don’t know about the PRC, but the US is sure itching for some combat…

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  61. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    The new and improved USMC:1)Gay Pride Month celebrated at Camp Lejune…2)Ramadan celebrated at Camp Lejune…

    Our New and Improved USMC:Gunny Humayan Khan…2)Colonel Khzir Khan….2)United States Marine Commandant Ghengis Khan….

    They want to protect us…..They really do….

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  62. @Grumpy
    "The point is that global empire costs a lot of money, which lines a lot of pockets..."

    A Chinese expatriate in Europe (a regular person, not an official) mentioned to someone I know today that the Chinese government seems to be itching for a war, probably to stimulate the economy.

    A war between two nuclear parties to stimulate the economy? As in Korea billergence against western powers plays well in domestic politics. I doubt if either desire war. How many ipads would China manufacture for America under war? What would their near trillion dollars in T bonds be worth? Or are you talking about war with Japan or Korea? Similar problems.

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    The Chinese man mentioned the Unites States as a likely enemy, but wars against weaker opponents are less troublesome.

    In the last century, the Chinese suffered greatly when Japan decided to flex its muscles as the Asian superpower. Now that China is the Asian superpower, it's probably too much to hope that its military-industrial complex won't behave like Japan's and America's have.
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  63. @Ali Choudhury
    It's not that hard to spell his surname right.

    The liberal establishment is going crazy over him because he rather visibly undercuts Trump's contention that all Muslim immigrants to the US are basically paedophile terrorists with no loyalty to the country.

    In any case I hope whoever the next president keeps the US firmly out of foreign conflicts. The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it, even if he gave the country a terrible healthcare system.

    “The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it, even if he gave the country a terrible healthcare system.”

    Um, the US is still in Afghanistan, went to Libya, is back in Iraq and now fussing about in Syria. Pass the rock…

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    But what if McCain had two terms? We'd probably have D-Day in Crimea schedule for today.
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  64. @Pagoda
    "The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it, even if he gave the country a terrible healthcare system."

    Um, the US is still in Afghanistan, went to Libya, is back in Iraq and now fussing about in Syria. Pass the rock...

    But what if McCain had two terms? We’d probably have D-Day in Crimea schedule for today.

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    • Replies: @Bugg
    No small irony that the neocon NeverTrump types point to Trump's failure to conform to their supposed ideals while McCain simply had no discernible governing ideology at all. And Romney was little better, and in fact with RomneyCare took a major important issue off the table altogether. Both would have been only marginally worse than Barry Soetoro. And clear McCain on military adventurism might have been Dr.Stranglelove come to life.
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  65. @International Jew
    It's not the case of cause and effect you seem to think it is. The Palestinians became "dispossessed" 68 years ago because they didn't play well with others. Muslims today are simply displaying the same destructive tendency.

    If (as many of us here hope) Europeans wise up before it's too late, then in the late 21st century, certain residents of Syria and Algeria and Somalia will moan about the "dispossession" of their Europe-residing great-grandparents.

    You’re equating Syrian, Algerian, and Somali immigrants in Europe to Palestinians in Palestine. They’re not the same thing.

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    You’re equating Syrian, Algerian, and Somali immigrants in Europe to Palestinians in Palestine. They’re not the same thing.
     
    Close enough for me, they are all Muslims. Anyway, there must be at at least one-two million Palestinians in Europe. So for you the Jews of Israel hijacked/invaded Muslim lands while 30 million plus Muslims have invaded European lands. The second one is OK with you.
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  66. @scrivener3
    A war between two nuclear parties to stimulate the economy? As in Korea billergence against western powers plays well in domestic politics. I doubt if either desire war. How many ipads would China manufacture for America under war? What would their near trillion dollars in T bonds be worth? Or are you talking about war with Japan or Korea? Similar problems.

    The Chinese man mentioned the Unites States as a likely enemy, but wars against weaker opponents are less troublesome.

    In the last century, the Chinese suffered greatly when Japan decided to flex its muscles as the Asian superpower. Now that China is the Asian superpower, it’s probably too much to hope that its military-industrial complex won’t behave like Japan’s and America’s have.

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    I don't think China wants any part of Japan. Not much to gain and soooooooo much to lose , not least of which is that ever present Chinese preoccupation , " face " .
    , @Grumpy
    I wasn't suggesting that.

    When Japan invaded China, China was much poorer, weaker and much less politically unified than Japan.

    The countries that the US has chosen to fight since World War II have been much weaker than the US: North Korea, North Vietnam, and Iraq. China may start picking fights with weak countries, too. Going to war with Japan or the United States would be a very different proposition.

    (Admittedly, the Chinese guy was suggesting a war with the US.)

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  67. What do you think the odds are the the Khan’s are on Medicare even though they never put into the system?

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    Why wouldn't they have put into the system?
    , @FactsAreImportant
    Don't attack Khan. Attack Hillary who got his son killed.
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  69. @Grumpy
    The Chinese man mentioned the Unites States as a likely enemy, but wars against weaker opponents are less troublesome.

    In the last century, the Chinese suffered greatly when Japan decided to flex its muscles as the Asian superpower. Now that China is the Asian superpower, it's probably too much to hope that its military-industrial complex won't behave like Japan's and America's have.

    I don’t think China wants any part of Japan. Not much to gain and soooooooo much to lose , not least of which is that ever present Chinese preoccupation , ” face ” .

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  70. @timothy
    http://ericposner.com/is-an-immigration-ban-on-muslims-unconstitutional/

    Moratorium on immigration from Muslim countries wouldn't actually be unconstitutional.

    Duh! We had it for 200 years….

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  71. MG says:

    I just saw Khizr Khan’s video praising Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and Republicans in general. As a subcontinental myself, I dare say that he is one devious cookie (Paki?). I know exactly how these fellows think. He knows well that (1) American whites are fundamentally very decent people with conscience and (2) Americans are suckers for Gold Star parents and those who died serving in war.

    You can rest assured the man hates Republicans. I could tell right away he was lying through his teeth. Very clever move by Hillary. I hope it flops.

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    Maybe Khan is a Ted Cruz supporter?
    , @jtgw
    So he had his son die in Iraq just to trick Republicans? Seems a little far-fetched.
    , @Clyde
    thanks for the insight!
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  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    It's not the case of cause and effect you seem to think it is. The Palestinians became "dispossessed" 68 years ago because they didn't play well with others. Muslims today are simply displaying the same destructive tendency.

    If (as many of us here hope) Europeans wise up before it's too late, then in the late 21st century, certain residents of Syria and Algeria and Somalia will moan about the "dispossession" of their Europe-residing great-grandparents.

    It’s not the case of cause and effect you seem to think it is. The Palestinians became “dispossessed” 68 years ago because they didn’t play well with others. Muslims today are simply displaying the same destructive tendency.

    Jews invaded Palestine, not because of anything the Palestinians did, but because Jews wanted Palestinian land. The cause and effect is crystal clear. Invasion with intent to subjugate natives, if not dispossess them of the land, typically provokes a violent response. Justifiably so. If anything, the Palestinians were too welcoming and cooperative at first.

    It is Jews who did not play well with others.

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    >Jews wanted Palestinian land.<

    oh please stop with the pali worship
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  73. I left the following comment at

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/father-of-slain-muslim-soldier-rebukes-trump-at-dnc

    thereby spreading the word about the Zeroth Amendment:

    “[D]oes any other demographic have as high a rate of treason as Muslims in the U.S. military?”

    Good question, and one that has a calculable answer. Like any rate, this treason rate is a numerator (the number of treason-committing Muslims in the U.S. military), divided by a denominator (the number of all Muslims in the U.S. military). The U.S. military should have data on both these numbers. What are they? Where is this information found online? How does this rate compare with the treason rate among, say, Bradley a.k.a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning and his/her fellow transsexuals in the U.S. military?

    Mr. Khan says, “In this document [the U.S. Constitution], look for the words ‘liberty’ and ‘equal protection of law.’ ” In the Preamble we find “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” (= descendants, pointedly ignoring immigrants admitted under the Zeroth Amendment). And “equal protection of law” cannot be found, although the Fourteenth Amendment says something similar: “the equal protection of the laws”. In any case, to bring the Constitution into compliance with sharia, we need to repeal the Fourteenth Amendment, which treats kafirs as having the same legal status as Muslims, and the Thirteenth Amendment, which abolishes possession by the right hand. If we repealed the Prohibition amendment, we can repeal these anti-Islam amendments too.

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    Sharia would also require the re-ratification of the 18th Amendment and/or the repeal of the 21st Amendment and the ratification of a no-pork amendment.
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  74. @Name Withheld
    What do you think the odds are the the Khan's are on Medicare even though they never put into the system?

    Why wouldn’t they have put into the system?

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    Steve:

    I'm wrong, they came here in 1980.
    , @bored identity
    May I meme something about this topic?

    https://s32.postimg.org/dn2hqruph/BUYING_TIMESMALL.jpg

    ...in a nutshell....
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  75. @MG
    I just saw Khizr Khan's video praising Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and Republicans in general. As a subcontinental myself, I dare say that he is one devious cookie (Paki?). I know exactly how these fellows think. He knows well that (1) American whites are fundamentally very decent people with conscience and (2) Americans are suckers for Gold Star parents and those who died serving in war.

    You can rest assured the man hates Republicans. I could tell right away he was lying through his teeth. Very clever move by Hillary. I hope it flops.

    Maybe Khan is a Ted Cruz supporter?

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  76. @SPMoore8
    I feel sorry for the guy whose son died in the armed services.

    However, the father is the one who took his son's sacrifice and tried to make a political issue out of it. Therefore, he deserves to be treated as someone who turned his son into a political football, not as a grieving parent.

    Some Muslim who dies in the armed services doesn't validate anything. It doesn't validate open door Muslim immigration, it doesn't validate Hillary, it doesn't validate "Religion of Peace", and it doesn't validate hating Trump.

    It would be no different than if the father of some generic white kid killed by an IED appeared in Cleveland to talk about how all Muslims are evil, or of the mother of one of the cops murdered in Austin showed up and talked about how all blacks are evil. That would rightly be condemned as fomenting racist hatred. In this case, we are promoting a kind of racist virtue.

    Both arguments are illogical and should be condemned by anyone who is rational.

    How rational and fairminded of you

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    Yeah, I'm sure his virtuous fair minded rationality will get him real far.
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  77. @donut
    Tiny Duck is a troll as you all well know , The obvious thing to do is not respond . Take note of who responds to him because they are trolls as well .

    When you mark a troll as a Commenter to Ignore, can you also Ignore replies to the troll? Maybe Ron could add that feature.

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  78. @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    Blatant comment-baiting trolls like Tiny Duck are the reason Unz adds a “Commenters to Ignore” button. Feel free to use it. Without the attention, he’ll be forced to go back to fapping to Huffpost articles about Conchita Wurst.

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    I support the right of Tiny Duck to free speech!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONsaSQOUCyM

    Who will stand with me?!
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  79. @whorefinder
    I'm confused. I thought the Left officially gave up on patriotism. The more patriotic people feel, the less likely they are to vote Dem. And celebrating soldiers of today's army is patriotic, no matter how weak it has become.

    What gives?

    What matters is whether the commander-in-chief is of the Left. The Left has never been against war in principle.

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  80. @Mikey Darmody
    @stevesailer

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/constance-wu-on-the-great-wall-our-heroes-dont-look-like-matt-damon/ar-BBv2sHN?ocid=ansmsnent11

    Person of Color Constance Wu complains about Matt Damon's being cast in a film dealing with Asia. She says, "Our heroes don't look like Matt Damon. They look like Malala. Gandhi. Mandela." (Tip: Constance Wu doesn't look like any of those people."

    In a sane society she would be blacklisted from acting forever. Or repatriated

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  81. @Ed
    I hear you Steve but Trump has to be smarter than this he had a good bit in the middle of the clip about the threats of terrorism. Why mess it up with his sacrifice bit or even take a swipe at the mother? He would have gotten more good will be being appropriately generous to the Khans than what he did.

    Doesn't change my vote but the well coiffed ladies in NoVa, Columbus and Philly are going to be aghast and he needs more of them than not.

    Trump could have easily responded by saying:

    1. It is sad that this man’s son died in a war Hillary started.

    2. It is ghoulish for Hillary to exploit a tragedy she helped bring about.

    3. Let’s learn a lesson from this man’s tragedy and stop Hillary from bringing his son’s killers to this country to kill more sons.

    Its easy really. You don’t attack a victim, because he’s not the enemy. You attack the perpetrators of the tragedy and show how your policies will help.

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    Exactly it's not difficult. He issued a statement. Better but still can't resist the urge to take a swipe

    https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/759580511152910336
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  82. @Anonymous
    It’s not the case of cause and effect you seem to think it is. The Palestinians became “dispossessed” 68 years ago because they didn’t play well with others. Muslims today are simply displaying the same destructive tendency.

    Jews invaded Palestine, not because of anything the Palestinians did, but because Jews wanted Palestinian land. The cause and effect is crystal clear. Invasion with intent to subjugate natives, if not dispossess them of the land, typically provokes a violent response. Justifiably so. If anything, the Palestinians were too welcoming and cooperative at first.

    It is Jews who did not play well with others.

    >Jews wanted Palestinian land.<

    oh please stop with the pali worship

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    Just statin' the facts, ma'am.
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  83. @Name Withheld
    What do you think the odds are the the Khan's are on Medicare even though they never put into the system?

    Don’t attack Khan. Attack Hillary who got his son killed.

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    I thought George W. Bush had something to do with the war?
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  84. @Anonymous
    Global empire would not be so costly if we weren’t actively dispossessing the Palestinans from their homeland.

    Why don’t we get terrorist attacks from Tibetans . After all China is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy to displace the native Tibetans with Han Chinese. In addition they have killed over a million Tibetans.

    We are not doing that; China is. Duh. Moreover, China hasn't bombed country after country to facilitate their aims.

    Also, you conveniently omit where native Tibetans are being "displaced" to. Tell us a little more about that.

    Why don’t we get terrorist attacks from Papuans . After all Indonesia is occupying their land and using an ethnic cleansing strategy known as Transmigrasi to displace the native Papuans with Indonesians . In addition they have killed over half a million Papuans.

    Papuans have full citizenship rights in Indonesia.

    To put this in perspective , Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians since the conflict in 1967 to the present day. China has killed 1 million Tibetans since occupation in 1951 until today. Indonesia has killed 500,000 million Papuans since the occupation began in 1963 until today. China has been occupying Tibet longer and has done 40X the killing Israel has. Indonesia has been occupying Papua longer and has done 20X the killing Israel has.

    Israel and its proxy, the United States, have killed millions of Arabs on the way to establishing jewish supremacism in Palestine. Many millions more have been dispossessed.

    None of your sophistry can obscure the fact that Palestinians have the right to resist the invasion of their homeland with violence, if they so choose. It is an invasion with the explicit goal of subjugating them and the practical effect of driving them from their land. If there is ever a justification for political violence, it is that.

    By the same logic, violent action by Israel is justified as well.

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    By the same logic, violent action by Israel is justified as well.

    Not so. The aggressor may not claim self defense.
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  85. @FactsAreImportant
    Don't attack Khan. Attack Hillary who got his son killed.

    I thought George W. Bush had something to do with the war?

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    Ok.

    Blame Hillary who HELPED get his son killed. And if you want to also blame Bush, that's fine too.

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  86. @MG
    I just saw Khizr Khan's video praising Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and Republicans in general. As a subcontinental myself, I dare say that he is one devious cookie (Paki?). I know exactly how these fellows think. He knows well that (1) American whites are fundamentally very decent people with conscience and (2) Americans are suckers for Gold Star parents and those who died serving in war.

    You can rest assured the man hates Republicans. I could tell right away he was lying through his teeth. Very clever move by Hillary. I hope it flops.

    So he had his son die in Iraq just to trick Republicans? Seems a little far-fetched.

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  87. @timothy
    http://ericposner.com/is-an-immigration-ban-on-muslims-unconstitutional/

    Moratorium on immigration from Muslim countries wouldn't actually be unconstitutional.

    Even for some reason it were unconstitutional, so what? Its not a death pact. We can’t have hostile people come to our country, to kill us freely. We should view Muslims as a foreign enemy army.

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    No, the Constitution Does Not Bar ‘Religious Tests’ in Immigration Law

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438536/immigration-religious-test-constitution-does-not-ban-vetting-immigrants-religion
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  88. @SPMoore8
    I feel sorry for the guy whose son died in the armed services.

    However, the father is the one who took his son's sacrifice and tried to make a political issue out of it. Therefore, he deserves to be treated as someone who turned his son into a political football, not as a grieving parent.

    Some Muslim who dies in the armed services doesn't validate anything. It doesn't validate open door Muslim immigration, it doesn't validate Hillary, it doesn't validate "Religion of Peace", and it doesn't validate hating Trump.

    It would be no different than if the father of some generic white kid killed by an IED appeared in Cleveland to talk about how all Muslims are evil, or of the mother of one of the cops murdered in Austin showed up and talked about how all blacks are evil. That would rightly be condemned as fomenting racist hatred. In this case, we are promoting a kind of racist virtue.

    Both arguments are illogical and should be condemned by anyone who is rational.

    A single anecdote doesn’t prove anything, but large numbers of anecdotes pointing in the same direction does make for a stronger case.

    You’re correct- a lone Muslim soldier proves nothing, and certainly doesn’t justify opening the gates and letting in all Muslims.

    That being said, thousands of Westerners getting raped or murdered by Muslims, and millions of immigrants biting the hand that feeds them, does make a pretty good case about whether or not we should allow them into our country.

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    I don't disagree, partly because a large accumulation of anecdotes constitutes data.

    But then again, there's difference about being prudent in your conduct because of data reinforced stereotypes about certain groups of people, as opposed to claiming authority because you lost a loved one and/or are a "survivor" of something or other.

    But we take it for granted these days that someone who is titularly black, or gay, or what have you has a special insight, a special wisdom, and special authority to lecture the rest of us on what it means to be black. Just as we take it for granted that anyone who is a survivor of sexual assault is automatically an authority on sexual ethics.

    To see how ludicrous this is, imagine a white guy or a white woman who is a documented "survivor of black crime" speaking at a convention to lecture everyone about black people. See what I mean? #BlackCrimeSurvivor -- yeah, that's a hashtag with a future. LOL.
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  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Have these people been vetted and their story corroborated? Where’s the evidence that they even had a son, let alone one that served and died in combat? The DNC had a lot of actors, Morgan Freeman voiceovers, etc. For all we know, they were hired to play a role at the convention. Or they may indeed be legitimate, but their son may have died of natural causes or illness in ROTC or at a base somewhere stateside, rather than in combat. Has anyone looked into this?

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    Why don't you?
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  90. @Steve Sailer
    Why wouldn't they have put into the system?

    Steve:

    I’m wrong, they came here in 1980.

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    Why did these people come to America? More importantly, why do we allow people like them to come here? Is our population collapsing? Not that it's a good idea, but at least it's possible to understand the misguided justification of allowing immigrants to come from south of the border to do the work Americans won't do (for extremely low wages). But, why the hell do we need people from halfway around the world?
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  91. @Anonymous
    Have these people been vetted and their story corroborated? Where's the evidence that they even had a son, let alone one that served and died in combat? The DNC had a lot of actors, Morgan Freeman voiceovers, etc. For all we know, they were hired to play a role at the convention. Or they may indeed be legitimate, but their son may have died of natural causes or illness in ROTC or at a base somewhere stateside, rather than in combat. Has anyone looked into this?

    Why don’t you?

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    Well, the real Khizr Khan appears to have died almost 600 years ago:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khizr_Khan
    , @jesse helms think-alike
    The story appears to be genuine:

    Here's a star and stripes article from June 18 20014, ten days after he was killed:

    http://www.stripes.com/news/vilseck-pays-respects-to-fallen-1st-id-gi-1.21097

    Capt. Humayun S. M. Khan, 27, was killed June 8 in Baqouba when a vehicle packed with explosives detonated after it drove into the gate of his compound where he was inspecting soldiers on guard duty.

    He was the Forward Operating Base Warhorse force protection officer.

    Khan, from Bristow, Va., was born in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

    He entered the Army in May 2000 after receiving his commission through the Reserve Officer Training Corps.

    Comments read at the Rose Barracks Chapel service from his commander in Iraq, and his father, Khzir Khan, showed a soldier who loved and protected his unit just as he would his family.

    “Not even a week ago, I asked my son ‘Why are you doing what you do?’” Khan wrote. “And he simply said that like other members of his unit, he was being true to his word and his commitment to our nation. He said that the same love that he has for his family is the same love that he has for his unit.
     

    there are several posts from leftist websites (dailykos, thinkprogress etc) over the years highlighting Khan as a Muslim who died fighting for the USA. Over the years he became a poster child for the left as away to argue against anti muslim sentiment


    The New York Times has now taken up this story with a pre-emptive attack against Trump for what he says tomorrow in a George Stephapopolouse interview. Apparently Trump will cross a line tomorrow when he criticizes Capt. Khan's mother. Philip K Dick's Pre-Crime is become reality.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html

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  92. @Steve Sailer
    I thought George W. Bush had something to do with the war?

    Ok.

    Blame Hillary who HELPED get his son killed. And if you want to also blame Bush, that’s fine too.

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    I was around in 2002. Hillary was a random senator who had recently won her seat as a consolation prize for her husband's infidelity. She certainly didn't cast the deciding vote for the Iraq War resolution or have any meaningful influence on the administration that launched it. It was Bush and the Republican party's baby.
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  93. In seven minutes on the national stage, Khizr Khan, a naturalized U.S. citizen who came to this country in 1980, excoriated Trump for proposals to build a wall along the Mexican border and to temporarily ban the entry of foreign Muslims into the U.S.
    “Let me ask you: Have you even read the United States Constitution?” Khan said to Trump. “I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words ‘liberty’ and ‘equal protection of law.’”

    The typical Muslim arrogance of this lawyer Khizr Khan who immigrated here thus has minimal roots in America. Of course his son served patriotically (and died this way) but this does not come anywhere close to outweighing the downside of Muslim immigration. And Kizer Khan’s arrogance is a good reason why. Just try moving to Pakistan and start bulling your way around, you will get killed.
    Humayun Khan his son…it would have been lots nicer if Khizr gave his son an Anglo name like Jack or George.
    And wtf is Khizr Khan butting in on Mexican immigrants and building Trump’s wall? Immigrants should shut up on immigration topics and go work and don’t suck off the social welfare system. But this is asking for too much these days.

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    Both of those Anglo names are those of Christian saints, Khan is no apostate from the ummah.

    While it might be normally expected that newcomers would keep their heads down, under liberalism they are seen as worthy of more respect because they chose to come here, rather than those who are here by "accident" of birth.
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  94. @International Jew
    It's not the case of cause and effect you seem to think it is. The Palestinians became "dispossessed" 68 years ago because they didn't play well with others. Muslims today are simply displaying the same destructive tendency.

    If (as many of us here hope) Europeans wise up before it's too late, then in the late 21st century, certain residents of Syria and Algeria and Somalia will moan about the "dispossession" of their Europe-residing great-grandparents.

    There were hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims living where Israel is today since the mid-19th Century. Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel’s independence, and millions now live under Israeli dominance (in Israel) or control (Greater Israel). Here’s a good article on the myth of an “empty” Israel:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1986/01/16/mrs-peterss-palestine/

    These Arabs didn’t go anywhere, they were already there, and it’s up to Israel to come to a fair modus vivendi with them.

    This has to be contrasted to the migrants in Europe, as well as in the United States, people who deliberately left their homelands in order to live in some other country.

    What is comparable to Israel’s situation is the US expansion on the continent, except that we did end up giving our natives reservations, some special privileges, and full citizenship. Israel will never do that, because their “Indians” (if I can describe them so) would amount to approximately 150 millions of the current US population.

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it. But, just as our treaties with the Indians were always broken as soon as someone could find gold or silver on the reserved lands, a significant number of Israelis feel they are entitled to plant a settlement wherever they want, and furthermore, to control all of the infrastructure (including all the water.)

    So, that’s the problem. Two state solution is dead, one state solution is dead, so we will probably continue with the status quo until whenever.

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    >Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel’s independence<

    you failed to note that "Hundreds of thousands were driven out " Jews were driven out of arab countries who had been living there for 1000 years. population displacement is a zero sum game.
    , @newrouter
    > one state solution is dead<

    no the one state solution is the only viable solution. islam as a "religion" is irredeemable and cannot be reformed.
    , @SDMatt

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it.
     
    That would be Jordan.
    , @Neil Templeton
    Meet the new boss...Same as the old boss.
    , @Jack D
    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as "the Palestinian people" - this was largely invented after the '67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs. Remember that Nasser created something called the "United Arab Republic" which stretched from Egypt to Syria (with a little gap in the middle occupied by Israel that he wanted to get rid of). Compared to the displacements that are going on in other parts of Arab territory, whatever Israel has done is minor. If you view "the Palestinian struggle" as an effort by the Arab world to occupy 100% of the Middle East instead of 99% of it, it doesn't seem so sympathetic. If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn't mean that there is such a thing as a "Rhode Island nation". Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.

    As elsewhere, the Arabs of the area that is now Israel experienced a population explosion once Western medicine and sanitation was introduced. Arabs want certain parts of Western culture but until they accept the whole package it won't work.

    , @Anonymous
    Excellent comment.
    , @International Jew
    I'll grant you that the Arabs have a better claim on the Holy Land, than they have on France. Nonetheless, if they knew how to play nicer, they could have had their own state on numerous occasions.
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  95. @MG
    I just saw Khizr Khan's video praising Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and Republicans in general. As a subcontinental myself, I dare say that he is one devious cookie (Paki?). I know exactly how these fellows think. He knows well that (1) American whites are fundamentally very decent people with conscience and (2) Americans are suckers for Gold Star parents and those who died serving in war.

    You can rest assured the man hates Republicans. I could tell right away he was lying through his teeth. Very clever move by Hillary. I hope it flops.

    thanks for the insight!

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  96. @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    Muslim men are the ones having their way with goats, or having kids with their cousins. When they have a chance to have kids. Many of them don’t have kids or wives at all- something to do with that wonderful policy of allowing the wealthiest to have a dozen wives. Its a few having a lot of kids that skews the average. Predictably, it leads to lots of angry young men living life more on the edge.

    People of color are the primary ones who have engaged in slavery. I get a chuckle out of NOI buffoons who sing praise to Islam when it was overwhelmingly Muslims who enslaved and conquered Africa.

    And just because your wonderful People of Color are too stupid or incompetent to have invent modern weapons, and instead resorted to mass slaughter with whatever they could get their hands on, engaged in cannibalism, engaged in slaughtering men and raping women in tribes they conquered, don’t mistake their incompetence as virtuous morality.

    The good news is, libtards like you are the ones with the lowest birthrates of all.

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  97. @PistolPete
    Even for some reason it were unconstitutional, so what? Its not a death pact. We can't have hostile people come to our country, to kill us freely. We should view Muslims as a foreign enemy army.
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  98. @BenKenobi
    There it is, iSteve commentariat.

    That picture is the future of America. Petulant, entitled, resentful squat monsters.

    You know what? You broke it, you bought it. America is all yours. Canada too. We're gonna go.

    But what we do next might just surprise you.

    Go where? The Moon? Mars? Unless you have a hyper drive we are stuck here.

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    Mars, probably soon. Also seasteading. Head for the exit!
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  99. @SPMoore8
    There were hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims living where Israel is today since the mid-19th Century. Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel's independence, and millions now live under Israeli dominance (in Israel) or control (Greater Israel). Here's a good article on the myth of an "empty" Israel:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1986/01/16/mrs-peterss-palestine/

    These Arabs didn't go anywhere, they were already there, and it's up to Israel to come to a fair modus vivendi with them.

    This has to be contrasted to the migrants in Europe, as well as in the United States, people who deliberately left their homelands in order to live in some other country.

    What is comparable to Israel's situation is the US expansion on the continent, except that we did end up giving our natives reservations, some special privileges, and full citizenship. Israel will never do that, because their "Indians" (if I can describe them so) would amount to approximately 150 millions of the current US population.

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it. But, just as our treaties with the Indians were always broken as soon as someone could find gold or silver on the reserved lands, a significant number of Israelis feel they are entitled to plant a settlement wherever they want, and furthermore, to control all of the infrastructure (including all the water.)

    So, that's the problem. Two state solution is dead, one state solution is dead, so we will probably continue with the status quo until whenever.

    >Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel’s independence<

    you failed to note that "Hundreds of thousands were driven out " Jews were driven out of arab countries who had been living there for 1000 years. population displacement is a zero sum game.

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    Hundreds of thousands were driven out " Jews were driven out of arab countries who had been living there for 1000 years. population displacement is a zero sum game.

    Some jews left Middle Eastern countries for Israel. Many of the own accord. To the extent any were "driven out," that was only AFTER a Jewish supremacist state was imposed on Palestinians. Turnabout is fair play.
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  100. @Anon7
    George W. Bush / Hillary R. Clinton
    Invade the World / Invite the World

    They're really a very complimentary pair. Enjoy the decline.

    Complementary. It’s a different word.

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  101. @SPMoore8
    There were hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims living where Israel is today since the mid-19th Century. Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel's independence, and millions now live under Israeli dominance (in Israel) or control (Greater Israel). Here's a good article on the myth of an "empty" Israel:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1986/01/16/mrs-peterss-palestine/

    These Arabs didn't go anywhere, they were already there, and it's up to Israel to come to a fair modus vivendi with them.

    This has to be contrasted to the migrants in Europe, as well as in the United States, people who deliberately left their homelands in order to live in some other country.

    What is comparable to Israel's situation is the US expansion on the continent, except that we did end up giving our natives reservations, some special privileges, and full citizenship. Israel will never do that, because their "Indians" (if I can describe them so) would amount to approximately 150 millions of the current US population.

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it. But, just as our treaties with the Indians were always broken as soon as someone could find gold or silver on the reserved lands, a significant number of Israelis feel they are entitled to plant a settlement wherever they want, and furthermore, to control all of the infrastructure (including all the water.)

    So, that's the problem. Two state solution is dead, one state solution is dead, so we will probably continue with the status quo until whenever.

    > one state solution is dead<

    no the one state solution is the only viable solution. islam as a "religion" is irredeemable and cannot be reformed.

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  102. @Grandpa Jack
    A single anecdote doesn't prove anything, but large numbers of anecdotes pointing in the same direction does make for a stronger case.

    You're correct- a lone Muslim soldier proves nothing, and certainly doesn't justify opening the gates and letting in all Muslims.

    That being said, thousands of Westerners getting raped or murdered by Muslims, and millions of immigrants biting the hand that feeds them, does make a pretty good case about whether or not we should allow them into our country.

    I don’t disagree, partly because a large accumulation of anecdotes constitutes data.

    But then again, there’s difference about being prudent in your conduct because of data reinforced stereotypes about certain groups of people, as opposed to claiming authority because you lost a loved one and/or are a “survivor” of something or other.

    But we take it for granted these days that someone who is titularly black, or gay, or what have you has a special insight, a special wisdom, and special authority to lecture the rest of us on what it means to be black. Just as we take it for granted that anyone who is a survivor of sexual assault is automatically an authority on sexual ethics.

    To see how ludicrous this is, imagine a white guy or a white woman who is a documented “survivor of black crime” speaking at a convention to lecture everyone about black people. See what I mean? #BlackCrimeSurvivor — yeah, that’s a hashtag with a future. LOL.

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  103. @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    I haven’t met THAT many Muslim men, thankfully, but none were particularly manly. Just run of the mill brown people…

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  104. @Flinders Petrie
    I must have missed this guy at the DNC, what with all the other memorable speakers (transgender, illegal immigrants, little people, mentally handicapped...). Hey, did you know that the white house was built by slaves? Tolerance!

    I must have missed this guy at the DNC, what with all the other memorable speakers (transgender, illegal immigrants, little people, mentally handicapped…). Hey, did you know that the white house was built by slaves? Tolerance!

    Actually the present day White House Moochelle Obamas lives in was not built by slaves. White House renovation was super extensive while Truman was President. The place was 95% rebuilt due to rot (my guess). What was left intact were the outside walls built by slaves and non-slaves. Was shoddy slave labor to blame for the necessity of that White House rebuilding? (joking)
    iirc Truman and his wife lived in the Naval Observatory building during this renovation. Same place the VPs traditionally live at.

    At any rate the White House was not originally built solely by slave labor with massa cracking the whip, which is the impression (lie) Moooochelle was trying to make. She was also saying subliminally that America was built by slave labor, which is a common meme these days. Just ask BLM know nothings.

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    Truman lived in the Blair House during the renovations, where an attempt to assassinate him was made by Puerto Rican nationalists, who were thwarted by DC police and the Secret Service. Surviving would-be assassins were pardoned by Clinton to help Hillary with the Puerto Rican vote in her New York Senate race.
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  105. @Grandpa Jack
    Blatant comment-baiting trolls like Tiny Duck are the reason Unz adds a "Commenters to Ignore" button. Feel free to use it. Without the attention, he'll be forced to go back to fapping to Huffpost articles about Conchita Wurst.

    I support the right of Tiny Duck to free speech!

    Who will stand with me?!

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    "I support the right of Tiny Duck to free speech! "

    Tiny Duck has the right to free speech, natch. But everyone else has the right to ignore what he says when he's being a nuisance and blatantly trying to antagonize others into responding. Noel Ignatiev and Tim Wise can feel free to write ream after ream of articles and give speech after speech about their opinions on why the white man is the most evil and worthless creature that has ever walked the face of the earth and why whites should die, but it doesn't mean I have to waste my time and money to read or listen to any of it. That's my freedom.

    Its like putting a telemarketer who keeps calling you and wasting your time with nonsense you have no interest in on your list of blocked numbers for your phone.

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  106. @SPMoore8
    There were hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims living where Israel is today since the mid-19th Century. Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel's independence, and millions now live under Israeli dominance (in Israel) or control (Greater Israel). Here's a good article on the myth of an "empty" Israel:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1986/01/16/mrs-peterss-palestine/

    These Arabs didn't go anywhere, they were already there, and it's up to Israel to come to a fair modus vivendi with them.

    This has to be contrasted to the migrants in Europe, as well as in the United States, people who deliberately left their homelands in order to live in some other country.

    What is comparable to Israel's situation is the US expansion on the continent, except that we did end up giving our natives reservations, some special privileges, and full citizenship. Israel will never do that, because their "Indians" (if I can describe them so) would amount to approximately 150 millions of the current US population.

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it. But, just as our treaties with the Indians were always broken as soon as someone could find gold or silver on the reserved lands, a significant number of Israelis feel they are entitled to plant a settlement wherever they want, and furthermore, to control all of the infrastructure (including all the water.)

    So, that's the problem. Two state solution is dead, one state solution is dead, so we will probably continue with the status quo until whenever.

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it.

    That would be Jordan.

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    That would be NYC/LA .
    , @Anonymous
    That would be Jordan.

    The better solution is to resettle Jewish Israelis in a Jewish state created in Long Island, Manhattan, New Jersey, or Madagascar.

    The United Stated can earmark the $50 billion it spends on Israel each year for the relocation costs.
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  107. You know when a Muslim is waving the Constitution at you with one hand, it’s because he’s going for your pocket with the other.

    One friggin’ raghead actually bites it fighting for our side for once, and this raghead thinks it’s cause to stand on a national stage and wag his finger at half of America, and the democrats make a national whoop-tee-doo out of it.

    Well, whoop-tee-do then.

    P.S., west Asian and North African Muslims castrated tens, hundreds of thousands of black slaves. Maybe millions.

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  108. @bomag
    It has dawned on me that Tiny Duck is one of us; he's just riffing a blue pill vibe.

    Regardless, he’s tiresome and predictable. Enough already.

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  109. @FactsAreImportant
    Trump could have easily responded by saying:

    1. It is sad that this man's son died in a war Hillary started.

    2. It is ghoulish for Hillary to exploit a tragedy she helped bring about.

    3. Let's learn a lesson from this man's tragedy and stop Hillary from bringing his son's killers to this country to kill more sons.

    Its easy really. You don't attack a victim, because he's not the enemy. You attack the perpetrators of the tragedy and show how your policies will help.

    Exactly it’s not difficult. He issued a statement. Better but still can’t resist the urge to take a swipe

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    Ghazala Khan looks like she is bleeding out of her wherever.

    Give me a break. The left will never run out of asses that need to be ritually kissed. Because it's all about public contrition, nothing else.
    , @candid_observer
    You do realize, I hope, just how dishonest was the tweet from this cretin Judd Legum?

    If Trump defends himself from the attacks of this father, and declares that what the father had said about him, Trump, was false, how does that constitute "continuing an attack" on him, or, as you put it, "taking a swipe" at him?

    You can read, can't you?

    , @anon
    Trump continues his attack on gold star father Khizr Khan.

    No apology for his attack on gold star mom Ghazala Khan

    Jeez, just a couple weeks ago, the media was flipping out about people being given gold stars, and now they're for it. Make up your mind, OK?

    , @The most deplorable one
    Looks like Trump just got more free political advertising.

    I guess the Dems better hope there are no more Muslim atrocities here in the US.
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  110. Don’t attack Khan. Attack Hillary who got his son killed.

    Eff Khan. He’s a typical west Asian, at your feet or at your throat. Try to imagine going to Pakistan and wagging your finger at half of Pakistan on national Pakistani television, even if your son had died fighting in their army. Try to imagine Pakis putting up with that #(@*. They’d spit on you in the street.

    At our feet is the only sane option.

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  111. @Steve Sailer
    Why don't you?

    Well, the real Khizr Khan appears to have died almost 600 years ago:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khizr_Khan

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  112. @Ali Choudhury
    It's not that hard to spell his surname right.

    The liberal establishment is going crazy over him because he rather visibly undercuts Trump's contention that all Muslim immigrants to the US are basically paedophile terrorists with no loyalty to the country.

    In any case I hope whoever the next president keeps the US firmly out of foreign conflicts. The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it, even if he gave the country a terrible healthcare system.

    Talk about damning with faint praise. Not all Muslim immigrants to the U.S. are pedophile terrorists with no loyalty to country.

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  113. >judd legum”

    effin bad british lit terriTORY

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  114. @Ed
    Exactly it's not difficult. He issued a statement. Better but still can't resist the urge to take a swipe

    https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/759580511152910336

    Ghazala Khan looks like she is bleeding out of her wherever.

    Give me a break. The left will never run out of asses that need to be ritually kissed. Because it’s all about public contrition, nothing else.

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  115. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

    Khan kerfuffle blowing up even more. I hate to say it but all the other Republicans really are cucks. My only hope is that the public was really thinking what Trump voiced out loud and is not as fake-insulted as the press and the cucks pretend to be.

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    In some ways, I just wonder how the public can possibly take these faux outrages seriously, at this point in the election cycle, when the media seems to invent every single day a new thing they can attack him with.

    There does come a point at which the daily gotcha just doesn't do anything anymore, and at which the public starts to lose any remaining respect they had for the media.

    The media really doesn't seem to understand that they can lose this battle themselves by trying way too hard to bring Trump down. They have their own credibility at stake, but don't seem to realize it.

    And they will never bring Trump down if they have no credibility.
    , @S. Anonyia
    Lots of people were already secretly wondering about why Mrs. Khan just stood there, didn't even say one word about her son. Why go up to the podium if she wasn't going to say anything? Just to be seen in a hijab?

    I watched it live and thought it was weird. I thought it was bad optics for the Hillary campaign and that the weirdness of it undermined the intended "Muslims are patriotic too" point.

    I was glad Trump noted she didn't speak. No one else in the media said anything about it, although it was legitimately bizarre.
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  116. KA [AKA "Carthage"] says:
    @anon
    As usual the holy bible gets it right . To wit :
    Genesis 16:12 in reference to Ishmael , the father of the Muslim world .
    He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."


    Has anything ever been written that was more true about the Muslims ?

    His hand is against everyone ( including himself ) , and everyones hand ( including his own hand ) against him.

    Witness Muslims fighting bhuddists in Myanmar and Thailand and China and demanding a sharia country being carved out for them . Witness Muslims fighting Hindus and Sikhs in Indian . Witness Muslims fighting Jews in Israel. Witness muslims fighting Christians in USA , Russia ,Germany, France ,Philippines ,Indonesia ,Papua , Sudan ......etc .

    Witness muslims killing each other in Iraq, Syria , Sudan , Mauritania , Afghanistan ,Pakistan , Indonesia , Yemen .......................

    This why you don’t trust Bible . It is kind of the same reason you don’t trust Huckabee ,Newt ,Bill Graham or the neoconservatives who brought Islamophbia .They introduced the Geller Spencer Emerson variety of Islamphobia by misinterpreting all the events that have been happening since 7th century knowing fully well the Bible thump-er understands how A connects to B but nothing beyond and will not be able to appreciate the more complex interrelated events . It is beyond their brain . Bible has been repeatedly contradicted by the same authors .In that category it fares no better than Clinton or the arch Islamophobe neocons contradicting themselves

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    It is more than that . American imperialism as at work. Anon is trying to lure Buddhist and Hi dus away . For decades Muslim has been similarly treated and identically approached first by Britain and now by US. Communism was sold as damaged good to Muslim . Soviet was portrayed as evil to Muslim from Pakistan to Morocco. Anon is trying almost unconsciously and reflexily trodding down same scenario.
    Hindus and Buddhist should be very careful . Afyer creating Hindu nationalism in 1857 oneards, Britan stared creating Islamic nationalism from 1905 .
    Once the " Muslim terrorists" are tamed,terrorist would be created in Hindu and Buddist land to reimpose 19 th century type control on India and Thailand or Sti Lanka . Playing one against another has served Britain well.
    It has served US pretty well in Afghanistan and
    Iraq ,Syria and in subSaharan countries like Congo ,Rwanda and Ethiopia . The latest and greatest succees is now visible in the corpses litterring the capital of S Sudan . S Sudan was also victim of Islam!!!
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  117. @Ed
    Exactly it's not difficult. He issued a statement. Better but still can't resist the urge to take a swipe

    https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/759580511152910336

    You do realize, I hope, just how dishonest was the tweet from this cretin Judd Legum?

    If Trump defends himself from the attacks of this father, and declares that what the father had said about him, Trump, was false, how does that constitute “continuing an attack” on him, or, as you put it, “taking a swipe” at him?

    You can read, can’t you?

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    I can read well enough and I know the media enough to know how they'll frame it as an attack. I think you've posted some examples of your own. You & I can see its BS but I suspect many nice ladies won't take the time to dig into. They'll take the media's framing as gospel.
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  118. @Name Withheld
    Steve:

    I'm wrong, they came here in 1980.

    Why did these people come to America? More importantly, why do we allow people like them to come here? Is our population collapsing? Not that it’s a good idea, but at least it’s possible to understand the misguided justification of allowing immigrants to come from south of the border to do the work Americans won’t do (for extremely low wages). But, why the hell do we need people from halfway around the world?

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    Once again, from the top, because they're not white and they're anti-Western, by their very DNA. The left doesn't care about the economics of immigration, in fact they get off on foisting the bill - culturally, economically, and in blood - on whites. Nor is it really about politics, though leftist parties will gratefully take the colonialist hate/gibs vote. But they don't care if white liberal countries turn into sharia hell-holes, all that matters is that whitey gets it. Immigration policies are overwhelmingly driven by a racist hatred of white people, and by collaboration with that hatred for profit or from fear.
    , @Mr Curious
    "why do we allow people like them to come here?". )))We((( do not!!!
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  119. @Ed
    I hear you Steve but Trump has to be smarter than this he had a good bit in the middle of the clip about the threats of terrorism. Why mess it up with his sacrifice bit or even take a swipe at the mother? He would have gotten more good will be being appropriately generous to the Khans than what he did.

    Doesn't change my vote but the well coiffed ladies in NoVa, Columbus and Philly are going to be aghast and he needs more of them than not.

    Doesn’t change my vote but the well coiffed ladies in NoVa, Columbus and Philly are going to be aghast and he needs more of them than not.

    Chivalry is still a non-negotiable for many, especially on the right.

    It’s pretty dim of the 70 year old Trump, raised by a traditional Scots mom from the Isle of Jura, to lose sight of this.

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    I'm with Trump on this one. Mr. Khan owes America an apology for his disrespectful behavior. As if the Constitution could be contained in a booklet easily memorized.
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  120. @Jack D
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

    Khan kerfuffle blowing up even more. I hate to say it but all the other Republicans really are cucks. My only hope is that the public was really thinking what Trump voiced out loud and is not as fake-insulted as the press and the cucks pretend to be.

    In some ways, I just wonder how the public can possibly take these faux outrages seriously, at this point in the election cycle, when the media seems to invent every single day a new thing they can attack him with.

    There does come a point at which the daily gotcha just doesn’t do anything anymore, and at which the public starts to lose any remaining respect they had for the media.

    The media really doesn’t seem to understand that they can lose this battle themselves by trying way too hard to bring Trump down. They have their own credibility at stake, but don’t seem to realize it.

    And they will never bring Trump down if they have no credibility.

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    When everything is an outrage, nothing is... Outrage exhaustion occurring in...3...2...1...
    , @PistolPete
    If they were smart they'd ease up on him for a couple of months.

    Trump is best when he is being attacked and punches back.

    Leave him be for a bit, then bombard him close to election. I think its their only hope. Dirty rats
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  121. @27 year old
    How rational and fairminded of you

    Yeah, I’m sure his virtuous fair minded rationality will get him real far.

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  122. @SPMoore8
    There were hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims living where Israel is today since the mid-19th Century. Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel's independence, and millions now live under Israeli dominance (in Israel) or control (Greater Israel). Here's a good article on the myth of an "empty" Israel:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1986/01/16/mrs-peterss-palestine/

    These Arabs didn't go anywhere, they were already there, and it's up to Israel to come to a fair modus vivendi with them.

    This has to be contrasted to the migrants in Europe, as well as in the United States, people who deliberately left their homelands in order to live in some other country.

    What is comparable to Israel's situation is the US expansion on the continent, except that we did end up giving our natives reservations, some special privileges, and full citizenship. Israel will never do that, because their "Indians" (if I can describe them so) would amount to approximately 150 millions of the current US population.

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it. But, just as our treaties with the Indians were always broken as soon as someone could find gold or silver on the reserved lands, a significant number of Israelis feel they are entitled to plant a settlement wherever they want, and furthermore, to control all of the infrastructure (including all the water.)

    So, that's the problem. Two state solution is dead, one state solution is dead, so we will probably continue with the status quo until whenever.

    Meet the new boss…Same as the old boss.

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  123. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    I left the following comment at
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/father-of-slain-muslim-soldier-rebukes-trump-at-dnc
    thereby spreading the word about the Zeroth Amendment:

    “[D]oes any other demographic have as high a rate of treason as Muslims in the U.S. military?”

    Good question, and one that has a calculable answer. Like any rate, this treason rate is a numerator (the number of treason-committing Muslims in the U.S. military), divided by a denominator (the number of all Muslims in the U.S. military). The U.S. military should have data on both these numbers. What are they? Where is this information found online? How does this rate compare with the treason rate among, say, Bradley a.k.a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning and his/her fellow transsexuals in the U.S. military?

    Mr. Khan says, “In this document [the U.S. Constitution], look for the words ‘liberty’ and ‘equal protection of law.’ ” In the Preamble we find “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” (= descendants, pointedly ignoring immigrants admitted under the Zeroth Amendment). And “equal protection of law” cannot be found, although the Fourteenth Amendment says something similar: “the equal protection of the laws”. In any case, to bring the Constitution into compliance with sharia, we need to repeal the Fourteenth Amendment, which treats kafirs as having the same legal status as Muslims, and the Thirteenth Amendment, which abolishes possession by the right hand. If we repealed the Prohibition amendment, we can repeal these anti-Islam amendments too.

    Sharia would also require the re-ratification of the 18th Amendment and/or the repeal of the 21st Amendment and the ratification of a no-pork amendment.

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  124. @PiltdownMan

    Doesn’t change my vote but the well coiffed ladies in NoVa, Columbus and Philly are going to be aghast and he needs more of them than not.
     
    Chivalry is still a non-negotiable for many, especially on the right.

    It's pretty dim of the 70 year old Trump, raised by a traditional Scots mom from the Isle of Jura, to lose sight of this.

    I’m with Trump on this one. Mr. Khan owes America an apology for his disrespectful behavior. As if the Constitution could be contained in a booklet easily memorized.

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    I'd offer long odds against Khan having written a word of his own speech.
    , @Maj. Kong
    Since when have liberals cared about the Constitution?

    10 minutes ago they were calling it a product of the Evil White Male Empire.

    Mr. Khan claimed Trump didn't want people like him here. That may not be true.

    But I wish it was.
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  125. The media is as dishonest as the day is long.

    Here is another relevant tweet:

    Compare this with what Trump actually said in his response:

    While I feel deeply for the loss of his son, Mr. Khan who has never met me, has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution, (which is false) and say many other inaccurate things.

    What honest reporter can describe that statement as Trump saying the man has “‘no right’ to criticize me”? Trump is saying that the man was saying something false about him, and had no right to do so; how is that possibly equivalent to Trump saying that the man in general had no right to criticize him?

    These reporters are just disgusting. They lie and distort worse than the politicians.

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    The Hill is a Dem party propaganda organ--it serves no other purpose.
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  126. @Grumpy
    The Chinese man mentioned the Unites States as a likely enemy, but wars against weaker opponents are less troublesome.

    In the last century, the Chinese suffered greatly when Japan decided to flex its muscles as the Asian superpower. Now that China is the Asian superpower, it's probably too much to hope that its military-industrial complex won't behave like Japan's and America's have.

    I wasn’t suggesting that.

    When Japan invaded China, China was much poorer, weaker and much less politically unified than Japan.

    The countries that the US has chosen to fight since World War II have been much weaker than the US: North Korea, North Vietnam, and Iraq. China may start picking fights with weak countries, too. Going to war with Japan or the United States would be a very different proposition.

    (Admittedly, the Chinese guy was suggesting a war with the US.)

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    What timing. Look at what Drudge just put at the top of his page.

    US would suffer more in war with China

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/997560.shtml

    "If Australia steps into the South China Sea waters, it will be an ideal target for China to warn and strike."

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/997320.shtml
    , @PistolPete
    Today I saw a manlet on the NYC subway platform refilling his water backpack that has a hose attached to the shoulder strap, where he sips water out of continuously throughout the day like a hamster. Its admittedly hot out, but he's not trekking the Sahara here folks. I can't imagine ww2 generation doing something so wimpy and gay. If China declared war on us theyd beat us in about a month. We are weak and stupid. Good thing we have nukes
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  127. And here’s another media figure, demonstrating her SuperPower of Impartiality:

    I really do think that this Maggie Haberman is going to win the post election Pulitzer under the category of The Most Shameless Hack for the Noble Cause.

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    I just want to know who died and made reporters the arbiters of moral standards?
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  128. @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjfBHw-fw30

    And this was BEFORE 9/11. Prophetic.

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  129. It seems to me this family should be more upset that establishment politicians, not Trump, sent their son to die in a stupid war.

    And while the Constitution prohibits treating Muslims as second class citizens, it does not prohibit restricting Muslim immigration.

    That said, I’m very sorry for their loss.

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  130. @candid_observer
    And here's another media figure, demonstrating her SuperPower of Impartiality:

    https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/759587103990833153

    I really do think that this Maggie Haberman is going to win the post election Pulitzer under the category of The Most Shameless Hack for the Noble Cause.

    I just want to know who died and made reporters the arbiters of moral standards?

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  131. Ed says:
    @candid_observer
    You do realize, I hope, just how dishonest was the tweet from this cretin Judd Legum?

    If Trump defends himself from the attacks of this father, and declares that what the father had said about him, Trump, was false, how does that constitute "continuing an attack" on him, or, as you put it, "taking a swipe" at him?

    You can read, can't you?

    I can read well enough and I know the media enough to know how they’ll frame it as an attack. I think you’ve posted some examples of your own. You & I can see its BS but I suspect many nice ladies won’t take the time to dig into. They’ll take the media’s framing as gospel.

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  132. Vote in my scientific poll on this:

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  133. @Steve Sailer
    Why don't you?

    The story appears to be genuine:

    Here’s a star and stripes article from June 18 20014, ten days after he was killed:

    http://www.stripes.com/news/vilseck-pays-respects-to-fallen-1st-id-gi-1.21097

    Capt. Humayun S. M. Khan, 27, was killed June 8 in Baqouba when a vehicle packed with explosives detonated after it drove into the gate of his compound where he was inspecting soldiers on guard duty.

    He was the Forward Operating Base Warhorse force protection officer.

    Khan, from Bristow, Va., was born in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

    He entered the Army in May 2000 after receiving his commission through the Reserve Officer Training Corps.

    Comments read at the Rose Barracks Chapel service from his commander in Iraq, and his father, Khzir Khan, showed a soldier who loved and protected his unit just as he would his family.

    “Not even a week ago, I asked my son ‘Why are you doing what you do?’” Khan wrote. “And he simply said that like other members of his unit, he was being true to his word and his commitment to our nation. He said that the same love that he has for his family is the same love that he has for his unit.

    there are several posts from leftist websites (dailykos, thinkprogress etc) over the years highlighting Khan as a Muslim who died fighting for the USA. Over the years he became a poster child for the left as away to argue against anti muslim sentiment

    The New York Times has now taken up this story with a pre-emptive attack against Trump for what he says tomorrow in a George Stephapopolouse interview. Apparently Trump will cross a line tomorrow when he criticizes Capt. Khan’s mother. Philip K Dick’s Pre-Crime is become reality.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html

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    Hmm, reading that makes me believe Capt. Khan was a force protection officer derelict in protecting his forces.
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  134. I would ask what kind of barbarian would attack the parents of a fallen soldier, but oh yeah it's the same person who attacks POW's.— Meghan McCain (@MeghanMcCain) July 31, 2016

    Let’s recap: Some Muslim guy got killed 12 years ago, and his father, using his dead son as a prop, delivered a lecture to a presidential candidate about the Constitution.

    The presidential candidate, going out of his way to “feel the pain” of the father, responded to the charges made against him.

    How stupid.

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    Meghan is a slob, her father is a disgrace to the uniform and the Senate.

    The sooner the GOP base realizes that, the better off we all will be.
    , @guest
    I'd say Trump should have realized the guy carries both a shield like Captain America's, only with a gold star instead of white, and the more powerful Shield of Brownness. But Trump knows that, and he doesn't care. He shouldn't care.

    Shut up, Gold Star Father.

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  135. Maybe I am missing something…. I used to b a Democrat. Tho I only voted for Bill once and was disgusted with both of them pretty quickly… I’ve said for years, why would I still be a Democrat? As a secular white woman, there is nothing there, not any more.

    For years now I have talked about “scraping up the Muslim vote” or which ever vote is being pandered to – at that moment….

    I found the convention a literal freak show. It had little to do with equality, it was more like a parade of pets. Special pets.

    I was unmoved by the Khans… I felt they were one more display I was almost being forced to stop and apologise. Or comfort. Or do something I did not want to do. Mostly I kept watching to see if his elbow punched her in the face.

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    Pets, or a zoo... the bankers' zoo of equality?
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  136. Das says:
    @FactsAreImportant
    Ok.

    Blame Hillary who HELPED get his son killed. And if you want to also blame Bush, that's fine too.

    I was around in 2002. Hillary was a random senator who had recently won her seat as a consolation prize for her husband’s infidelity. She certainly didn’t cast the deciding vote for the Iraq War resolution or have any meaningful influence on the administration that launched it. It was Bush and the Republican party’s baby.

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    It would be interesting to see Hillary argue that that she was just a minor, inconsequential senator.
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  137. More info:

    Here’s a Defense Department press release dated June 9th 2004 (one day after Khan’s death) posted at the Arlington National Cemetery website:

    http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/hsmkhan.htm

    NEWS RELEASE from the United States Department of Defense
    No. 561-04
    IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    June 9, 2004
    Media Contact: Army Public Affairs – (703) 692-2000 Public/Industry Contact: (703) 428-0711
    DoD Identifies Army Casualty

    The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

    Captain Humayun S. M. Khan, 27, of Bristow, Virginia, died June 8, 2004, in Baquabah, Iraq, after a vehicle packed with an improvised explosive device drove into the gate of his compound while he was inspecting soldiers on guard duty. Khan was assigned to Headquarters, Headquarters Company, 201st Forward Support Battalion, 1st Infantry Division, Vilseck, Germany.

    The incidents are under investigation.

    For further information related to this release, contact Army Public Affairs at (703) 692-2000.

    Funeral For Pakistani-American U.S. Army Officer Held
    June 17, 2004
    DCM Mohammad Sadiq and interns from the Embassy of Pakistan Tuesday evening attended the funeral of Captain Humayun Saqib Khan held at the Arlington National Cemetery, says an Embassy press release.

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  138. . As far as I can tell, 14 Muslim-American U.S. soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American U.S. soldiers.

    Steve, do you have those names lying around?

    I’d love to be able to point this out elsewhere.

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    5 dead
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chattanooga_shootings#Victims

    Another 13
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting#Fatalities
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  139. Das says:

    This is probably going to turn out to be another incidence of “Trump’s Luck” where he baits the Democrats and the media into going into a pro-Islam love fest only to have another Islamic terror attack happen the next day, but if not, this was a stupid error on his part.

    All he had to say is “We should honor Khan for his ultimate sacrifice, but statistically we have a problem, and under the Constitution there’s no reason why we can’t temporarily pause Muslim immigration to the country.”

    Instead he made the comment about the soldier’s mom and rambled on about how he had sacrificed for the country because he put up buildings and created jobs.

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    http://blogmaverick.com/2011/09/19/the-most-patriotic-thing-you-can-do-2/

    According to Mr. Cuban, Trump is far more patriotic than any dead soldier.

    Of course, Mr. Cuban is motivated by ethnic hate for Trump's supporters, so he'll never endorse him.
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  140. Same old emotional manipulation these people always use. I’d just tell him that we can arrange for him to return home so he doesn’t have to stay and suffer such racism.

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  141. KA says:
    @KA
    This why you don't trust Bible . It is kind of the same reason you don't trust Huckabee ,Newt ,Bill Graham or the neoconservatives who brought Islamophbia .They introduced the Geller Spencer Emerson variety of Islamphobia by misinterpreting all the events that have been happening since 7th century knowing fully well the Bible thump-er understands how A connects to B but nothing beyond and will not be able to appreciate the more complex interrelated events . It is beyond their brain . Bible has been repeatedly contradicted by the same authors .In that category it fares no better than Clinton or the arch Islamophobe neocons contradicting themselves

    It is more than that . American imperialism as at work. Anon is trying to lure Buddhist and Hi dus away . For decades Muslim has been similarly treated and identically approached first by Britain and now by US. Communism was sold as damaged good to Muslim . Soviet was portrayed as evil to Muslim from Pakistan to Morocco. Anon is trying almost unconsciously and reflexily trodding down same scenario.
    Hindus and Buddhist should be very careful . Afyer creating Hindu nationalism in 1857 oneards, Britan stared creating Islamic nationalism from 1905 .
    Once the ” Muslim terrorists” are tamed,terrorist would be created in Hindu and Buddist land to reimpose 19 th century type control on India and Thailand or Sti Lanka . Playing one against another has served Britain well.
    It has served US pretty well in Afghanistan and
    Iraq ,Syria and in subSaharan countries like Congo ,Rwanda and Ethiopia . The latest and greatest succees is now visible in the corpses litterring the capital of S Sudan . S Sudan was also victim of Islam!!!

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  142. @Jack D
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

    Khan kerfuffle blowing up even more. I hate to say it but all the other Republicans really are cucks. My only hope is that the public was really thinking what Trump voiced out loud and is not as fake-insulted as the press and the cucks pretend to be.

    Lots of people were already secretly wondering about why Mrs. Khan just stood there, didn’t even say one word about her son. Why go up to the podium if she wasn’t going to say anything? Just to be seen in a hijab?

    I watched it live and thought it was weird. I thought it was bad optics for the Hillary campaign and that the weirdness of it undermined the intended “Muslims are patriotic too” point.

    I was glad Trump noted she didn’t speak. No one else in the media said anything about it, although it was legitimately bizarre.

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  143. @Neil Templeton
    I'm with Trump on this one. Mr. Khan owes America an apology for his disrespectful behavior. As if the Constitution could be contained in a booklet easily memorized.

    I’d offer long odds against Khan having written a word of his own speech.

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  144. @Anonymous
    . As far as I can tell, 14 Muslim-American U.S. soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American U.S. soldiers.

    Steve, do you have those names lying around?

    I'd love to be able to point this out elsewhere.
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    Two more:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Hasan_K._Akbar

    Army Captain Christopher S. Seifert was fatally shot in the back, and Air Force Major Gregory L. Stone was killed by a grenade.
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  145. @Travis
    true , it is constitutional. and current law still prohibits those with an ideology opposed to our constitution from getting visas. We still ban former NAZI members and communists cannot get green cards.

    Our immigration policy currently discriminate against other nations. One glaring example is the greencard lottery which is not available to the UK, Chinese and Mexicans but is available to Libyans, Egyptions, among other mostly muslim nations.

    ” communists cannot get green cards”

    We elected one as president .

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    Yes, but he was a natural-born citizen. The law can only aid our stupid electorate so far.
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  146. @bomag
    It has dawned on me that Tiny Duck is one of us; he's just riffing a blue pill vibe.

    I’m pretty sure it’s JohnnyWalker123 .

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  147. @SDMatt

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it.
     
    That would be Jordan.

    That would be NYC/LA .

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  148. Kaz says:
    @Pat Hannagan
    This Pakistani, Khizr Kahn, has an interesting pedigree and is more than likely a descendant of Sayyid Khizr Khan ibn Malik Sulaiman, founder of the Sayyid dynasty in Delhi.

    India has a long history of invasion and occupation

    Of the list of Hindu killers Muslims are prominent. Of Mahmud Ghori "Those of the horizon who were wise and acute were converted to Islam, but those who stood by their ancestoral faith were slain with the sword"

    20,000 prisoners were taken and made slaves. Three bastions were raised as high as heaven with their heads, and their carcases became food for the beasts of prey.

    It will be interesting to see Indians and Pakistanis peacefully coalescing in the Democrat's Coalition of the Fringes. Tiny Duck may like to explain how it all works.

    Because Pakistanis that make it to America (instead of choosing something like Britain/Europe) tend to not old onto old world grudges or come here because they openly acknowledge Pakistan sucks.

    No Pakistani-American I know of speaks of Pakistan in any positive, they look to India as an example of good progress they wish Pakistan would make.

    British Pakistanis are a whole other breed and I don’t know why, they’ve festered a toxic culture there..

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    The half-dozen Pakis I know all seem to have filtered through Saudi Arabia/Dubai before arriving here.

    MG, is the indirect route the usual experience?
    , @Anonymous
    Because Pakistanis that make it to America (instead of choosing something like Britain/Europe) tend to not old onto old world grudges or come here because they openly acknowledge Pakistan sucks.

    No Pakistani-American I know of speaks of Pakistan in any positive, they look to India as an example of good progress they wish Pakistan would make.


    So they are probably supportive of Hindu immigration into Pakistan and Muslims Pakistanis losing their majority there, right? (Just as they all seem to favor Whites being eclipsed in Britain and the United States.)

    Right?

    Hello?
    , @guest
    Every Pakistani immigrant I've ever met has been a doctor. It helps that I used to work in a hospital. They had no nostalgia for the homeland so far as I noticed. I was watching news coverage of Benazir Bhutto's assassination with one, and his reaction was more or less, "Meh."
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  149. @Neil Templeton
    I'm with Trump on this one. Mr. Khan owes America an apology for his disrespectful behavior. As if the Constitution could be contained in a booklet easily memorized.

    Since when have liberals cared about the Constitution?

    10 minutes ago they were calling it a product of the Evil White Male Empire.

    Mr. Khan claimed Trump didn’t want people like him here. That may not be true.

    But I wish it was.

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  150. @Das
    This is probably going to turn out to be another incidence of "Trump's Luck" where he baits the Democrats and the media into going into a pro-Islam love fest only to have another Islamic terror attack happen the next day, but if not, this was a stupid error on his part.

    All he had to say is "We should honor Khan for his ultimate sacrifice, but statistically we have a problem, and under the Constitution there's no reason why we can't temporarily pause Muslim immigration to the country."

    Instead he made the comment about the soldier's mom and rambled on about how he had sacrificed for the country because he put up buildings and created jobs.

    http://blogmaverick.com/2011/09/19/the-most-patriotic-thing-you-can-do-2/

    According to Mr. Cuban, Trump is far more patriotic than any dead soldier.

    Of course, Mr. Cuban is motivated by ethnic hate for Trump’s supporters, so he’ll never endorse him.

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    "Mr. Cuban is motivated by ethnic hate for Trump’s supporters"?

    Where did that come from? Or is that just your roundabout way to avoid throwing your lot in with those who would write (((Cuban)))?

    Someone has ethnic hate here, but the evidence thus far points to you.

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  151. @SPMoore8

    I would ask what kind of barbarian would attack the parents of a fallen soldier, but oh yeah it's the same person who attacks POW's.— Meghan McCain (@MeghanMcCain) July 31, 2016
     
    Let's recap: Some Muslim guy got killed 12 years ago, and his father, using his dead son as a prop, delivered a lecture to a presidential candidate about the Constitution.

    The presidential candidate, going out of his way to "feel the pain" of the father, responded to the charges made against him.

    How stupid.

    Meghan is a slob, her father is a disgrace to the uniform and the Senate.

    The sooner the GOP base realizes that, the better off we all will be.

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  152. @Clyde

    In seven minutes on the national stage, Khizr Khan, a naturalized U.S. citizen who came to this country in 1980, excoriated Trump for proposals to build a wall along the Mexican border and to temporarily ban the entry of foreign Muslims into the U.S.
    "Let me ask you: Have you even read the United States Constitution?" Khan said to Trump. "I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words 'liberty' and 'equal protection of law.'"
     
    The typical Muslim arrogance of this lawyer Khizr Khan who immigrated here thus has minimal roots in America. Of course his son served patriotically (and died this way) but this does not come anywhere close to outweighing the downside of Muslim immigration. And Kizer Khan's arrogance is a good reason why. Just try moving to Pakistan and start bulling your way around, you will get killed.
    Humayun Khan his son...it would have been lots nicer if Khizr gave his son an Anglo name like Jack or George.
    And wtf is Khizr Khan butting in on Mexican immigrants and building Trump's wall? Immigrants should shut up on immigration topics and go work and don't suck off the social welfare system. But this is asking for too much these days.

    Both of those Anglo names are those of Christian saints, Khan is no apostate from the ummah.

    While it might be normally expected that newcomers would keep their heads down, under liberalism they are seen as worthy of more respect because they chose to come here, rather than those who are here by “accident” of birth.

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  153. @Mr. Blank
    O/T: The latest in World War T -- now National Geographic is going to lecture you small-minded bigots on how it's Science, So There:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/couric-national-geographic-team-gender-documentary-41019767
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  154. Who gives a shit whether Donald Trump has sacrificed more for his country than Khizr Khan?

    Donald Trump isn’t running against Khizr Khan. He isn’t running against Khizr Khan’s dead son. He is running against Hillary Clinton, who has not only NOT sacrificed for her country, but neither has her husband (who actively avoided the Vietnam draft), her daughter, nor her son-in-law. In fact, Hitlery has spent her entire working life abusing a public trust for private gain.

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  155. @iSteveFan

    Some Muslim who dies in the armed services doesn’t validate anything. It doesn’t validate open door Muslim immigration, it doesn’t validate Hillary, it doesn’t validate “Religion of Peace”, and it doesn’t validate hating Trump.
     
    To continue your point, one could argue that more racists have fought and died for the USA than any particular minority group. Racists helped to found this nation and contributed mightily to its founding documents and its war of independence. I am sure they landed on Normandy Beach, helped to liberate the camps and are quietly serving to this day.

    Yet you won't hear the democrats or the republicans making the case that racists should be openly welcomed in society. Rather, anyone accused of being a racist is subject to social shunning and a loss of status and employment.

    Perfect.

    Also, one Muslim-American soldier dying for America proves that all Muslims are good, but tens, hundreds, or thousands of Muslim terrorists represent only themselves.

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    It would have been easy for Trump to make exactly that point, but he didn't. "We honor Khan's sacrifice, but we have a genuine problem with Islamic terrorism, and we must take the following steps..." Instead he thought it was smart to hit back at the gold star mom and claim that building a casino was a sacrifice.
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  156. @Jack D
    Move to Mars? I don't know about you but I'm staying.

    I was thinking more along the lines of “sovereign ethnostate in North America”.

    But since you brought it up, Paul Kersey has written extensively on the topic of ‘The Space Program and Racial Politics’. It hasn’t escaped my notice that (to abridge things slightly) in the lates 60s we had a choice between moonbase and multiculturalism.

    We chose wrong.

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  157. @The Alarmist

    "I’m confused. I thought the Left officially gave up on patriotism. "
     
    And yet you had so much patriotism on display the last night of the Democratic Convention that people in the MSM were joking that it was the best Republican convention they had ever seen.

    Ask yourself how the Republicans became the red party after the Reds took over the Democrat party. It truly is amazing how the Republicans are so inept at managing the narrative, but it is no shock that the Dems are winning these sorts of narratives ... it's because they have a lock on the MSM and all the talent that feeds into it.

    The left might have given up on patriotism, but they have no qualms about exhuming its corpse to win one for the cause. If the Republican party still exists in 2020, you can bet the Democrats will be running on the legacy of Ronald Reagan.

    Impossible for the Republicans to control the media narrative, wikileaks merely confirmed what we all knew already about them taking their orders from the left. They still claim Trump mocked a disabled reporter for being disabled when he was mocking the reporter for lying and confusing the issue around his story after 9/11 of people in NJ celebrating the attack. Flailing his arms around to impersonate confusion and dissembling. The only reason Trump is still going to win is the media is completely distrusted and disliked and that the internet exists.

    Of course, that said, Trump should have counter attacked better.

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  158. @Wilkey
    Perfect.

    Also, one Muslim-American soldier dying for America proves that all Muslims are good, but tens, hundreds, or thousands of Muslim terrorists represent only themselves.

    It would have been easy for Trump to make exactly that point, but he didn’t. “We honor Khan’s sacrifice, but we have a genuine problem with Islamic terrorism, and we must take the following steps…” Instead he thought it was smart to hit back at the gold star mom and claim that building a casino was a sacrifice.

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    If Trump were that eloquent and idealistic I might have considered voting for him during the primaries. As it was I voted for Cruz. But since we're stuck with one of these a-holes - Clinton or Trump - I guess I'll have to defend the man.
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  159. Khan said to Trump. “I will gladly lend you my copy [of the Constitution]. In this document, look for the words ‘liberty’ and ‘equal protection of law.’

    You will also find references to slavery, which was then legal. The Constitution was not the naive, Kumbaya, “Give me your wretched refuse” style of document we would purport it to be – and as leftists are thrilled to remind us, when they’re talking down about America’s racist past. They also love to talk about the immigration law that restricted naturalization to free white people, passed within a decade of the Constitution’s ratification, and the Chinese Exclusion Act, passed by the generation that freed the slaves.

    When they talk about immigration, though, they pretend that racist past didn’t exist, and that of course mass immigration by anyone, from anywhere was exactly what the Founders had in mind.

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  160. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Why are Pakistani Muslim Legal Immigrants being imported into the US?

    Answer:To vote Whitey into a racial minority on Nov 8 2016….and every four years thereafter.

    Pakistani Muslims should never have been allowed into the US….there is no case for letting them in.

    Two White US Marines were hacked to death at the US embassy in Pakistan October 1979. One of them was a 19 year old from Patchogue LI. The Khan’s came to the US legally a few months later.

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  161. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    No passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act….No Khzir Khan and his Pakistani Muslim Family voting Whitey into a racial minority on Nov 8 2016.

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  162. @Das
    It would have been easy for Trump to make exactly that point, but he didn't. "We honor Khan's sacrifice, but we have a genuine problem with Islamic terrorism, and we must take the following steps..." Instead he thought it was smart to hit back at the gold star mom and claim that building a casino was a sacrifice.

    If Trump were that eloquent and idealistic I might have considered voting for him during the primaries. As it was I voted for Cruz. But since we’re stuck with one of these a-holes – Clinton or Trump – I guess I’ll have to defend the man.

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    Never mistake eloquence for ability & competence. Exhibit A: Barry Hussain Obama.
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  163. @SPMoore8
    There were hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims living where Israel is today since the mid-19th Century. Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel's independence, and millions now live under Israeli dominance (in Israel) or control (Greater Israel). Here's a good article on the myth of an "empty" Israel:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1986/01/16/mrs-peterss-palestine/

    These Arabs didn't go anywhere, they were already there, and it's up to Israel to come to a fair modus vivendi with them.

    This has to be contrasted to the migrants in Europe, as well as in the United States, people who deliberately left their homelands in order to live in some other country.

    What is comparable to Israel's situation is the US expansion on the continent, except that we did end up giving our natives reservations, some special privileges, and full citizenship. Israel will never do that, because their "Indians" (if I can describe them so) would amount to approximately 150 millions of the current US population.

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it. But, just as our treaties with the Indians were always broken as soon as someone could find gold or silver on the reserved lands, a significant number of Israelis feel they are entitled to plant a settlement wherever they want, and furthermore, to control all of the infrastructure (including all the water.)

    So, that's the problem. Two state solution is dead, one state solution is dead, so we will probably continue with the status quo until whenever.

    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as “the Palestinian people” – this was largely invented after the ’67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs. Remember that Nasser created something called the “United Arab Republic” which stretched from Egypt to Syria (with a little gap in the middle occupied by Israel that he wanted to get rid of). Compared to the displacements that are going on in other parts of Arab territory, whatever Israel has done is minor. If you view “the Palestinian struggle” as an effort by the Arab world to occupy 100% of the Middle East instead of 99% of it, it doesn’t seem so sympathetic. If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn’t mean that there is such a thing as a “Rhode Island nation”. Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.

    As elsewhere, the Arabs of the area that is now Israel experienced a population explosion once Western medicine and sanitation was introduced. Arabs want certain parts of Western culture but until they accept the whole package it won’t work.

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    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as “the Palestinian people” – this was largely invented after the ’67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs

    Play your word games all you want. At the end of the day, the natives of Palestine were invaded by interloper Jews who sought to dispossess them.
    , @Anonymous
    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as “the Palestinian people” – this was largely invented after the ’67 war.

    Yes, "Palestinians," like "Jews," are a social construct.
    , @PiltdownMan

    If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn’t mean that there is such a thing as a “Rhode Island nation”. Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.
     
    By the same token, the Palestinians could tell the Jews of Israel to start their lives over in Europe and not live 3,000 years in the past.
    , @SPMoore8
    The fact that there were no "Palestinians" prior to about 1964 is not relevant because 200-300 years ago the vast majority of recognized nations today did not exist, either. That is why we talk about the "self-determination" of nationalities. Even Jewish nationalism, i.e., Zionism, is relatively recent.

    But I am not interested in getting bogged down in definitions. The point of my original post was to rebut the claim that the Arabs in Greater Israel (let's just use that terminology) were analogous to the recent immigrants in Europe.

    A few other observations:

    1. The disease control and sanitation that caused the Arab pop in GI to increase in the 19th Century were the same factors that caused the increase in population in East Central and East Europe with the attendant rise in competing nationalisms. Including Zionism.

    2. The expulsions during the 1947-48 war may be conceived of as a population transfer, but only retroactively.

    3. My main point is that the Arabs (Palis, whatever) are there, it's not as though they invaded the territory, and it's up to the power that controls the area (Israel) to sort it out. I don't really care how they sort it out, however my natural inclination is towards peace and fairness.

    4. It's evident not only because of Palestinian obduracy but also Israeli security needs/land greed that there is never going to be a separate Palestinian or Arab state. That's been obvious for 20 years, at least. So, no two state solution.

    5. On the other hand, putting Arab and Israelis on an equal footing is not going to happen either, since that would nullify the Zionist project on the one hand and create an endless civil war on the other. So, no one state solution, either.

    6. The one Final Solution that I keep seeing talked about here is expelling all of the Arabs from the West Bank. That would certainly solve the "democracy" issue. But it would create a lot of other problems on its own, including access to the Dome of the Rock, which Israel insists on controlling but which is a very holy site to Muslims. (Don't blame me, I didn't write this script.)
    I doubt that this will happen.

    7. Since its inception, Israel has been dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, which are only a fraction of the Jewish population of GI which in turn are only about one half of the total population of GI. Eventually, that will change, I don't know when, and I don't particularly care, my interests are in peace, fairness, and not having the US getting sucked into military action that the Israeli government seems bent on goading us into (Iraq, Iran, etc.)

    8. If I were in charge of Israel I would be promoting an Israeli identity that was not tied to religion. I would also be promoting the development of the Arab communities so that their standard of living (and water use) would approximate that of its Jewish neighbors, which would be bound to reduce tension and grievances. I don't think Israel, given its demographic composition and current structure is ever going to be either completely "Jewish" or "democratic" as we understand the term in the US. I don't think that's a bad thing.

    9. Demonizing the Arabs who live between the Jordan and the Med is stupid. So is demonizing the Jews.
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  164. @Steve Sailer
    Really?

    Really. I now LOL his comments.

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  165. @Hidden Cat
    Maybe I am missing something.... I used to b a Democrat. Tho I only voted for Bill once and was disgusted with both of them pretty quickly... I've said for years, why would I still be a Democrat? As a secular white woman, there is nothing there, not any more.

    For years now I have talked about "scraping up the Muslim vote" or which ever vote is being pandered to - at that moment....

    I found the convention a literal freak show. It had little to do with equality, it was more like a parade of pets. Special pets.

    I was unmoved by the Khans... I felt they were one more display I was almost being forced to stop and apologise. Or comfort. Or do something I did not want to do. Mostly I kept watching to see if his elbow punched her in the face.

    Pets, or a zoo… the bankers’ zoo of equality?

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    Zoo. Very definitely.

    And just now catching a recap of Khan on State of the Union, shaking his fingers. CAIR chiming in, too.

    I got sick of the line up of non-white lecturers and scolds at the DNC. I think it is one reason she got no bounce. Or the dead mouse bounce.
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  166. @newrouter
    >Jews wanted Palestinian land.<

    oh please stop with the pali worship

    Just statin’ the facts, ma’am.

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  167. @Neil Templeton
    By the same logic, violent action by Israel is justified as well.

    By the same logic, violent action by Israel is justified as well.

    Not so. The aggressor may not claim self defense.

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  168. @Das
    I was around in 2002. Hillary was a random senator who had recently won her seat as a consolation prize for her husband's infidelity. She certainly didn't cast the deciding vote for the Iraq War resolution or have any meaningful influence on the administration that launched it. It was Bush and the Republican party's baby.

    It would be interesting to see Hillary argue that that she was just a minor, inconsequential senator.

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  169. @SPMoore8
    There were hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims living where Israel is today since the mid-19th Century. Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel's independence, and millions now live under Israeli dominance (in Israel) or control (Greater Israel). Here's a good article on the myth of an "empty" Israel:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1986/01/16/mrs-peterss-palestine/

    These Arabs didn't go anywhere, they were already there, and it's up to Israel to come to a fair modus vivendi with them.

    This has to be contrasted to the migrants in Europe, as well as in the United States, people who deliberately left their homelands in order to live in some other country.

    What is comparable to Israel's situation is the US expansion on the continent, except that we did end up giving our natives reservations, some special privileges, and full citizenship. Israel will never do that, because their "Indians" (if I can describe them so) would amount to approximately 150 millions of the current US population.

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it. But, just as our treaties with the Indians were always broken as soon as someone could find gold or silver on the reserved lands, a significant number of Israelis feel they are entitled to plant a settlement wherever they want, and furthermore, to control all of the infrastructure (including all the water.)

    So, that's the problem. Two state solution is dead, one state solution is dead, so we will probably continue with the status quo until whenever.

    Excellent comment.

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  170. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
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    >Hundreds of thousands were driven out in the war that established Israel’s independence<

    you failed to note that "Hundreds of thousands were driven out " Jews were driven out of arab countries who had been living there for 1000 years. population displacement is a zero sum game.

    Hundreds of thousands were driven out ” Jews were driven out of arab countries who had been living there for 1000 years. population displacement is a zero sum game.

    Some jews left Middle Eastern countries for Israel. Many of the own accord. To the extent any were “driven out,” that was only AFTER a Jewish supremacist state was imposed on Palestinians. Turnabout is fair play.

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  171. @SDMatt

    So the only alternative is to demarcate some decent territory and disallow Israelis from settling it.
     
    That would be Jordan.

    That would be Jordan.

    The better solution is to resettle Jewish Israelis in a Jewish state created in Long Island, Manhattan, New Jersey, or Madagascar.

    The United Stated can earmark the $50 billion it spends on Israel each year for the relocation costs.

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    Ah, the pld Madagascar plan. The Nazis intended for the SS to administer the Jewish settlement in Madagascar after it was established, so we could expect that it would have turned into a giant concentration camp. And what should we do with the displaced residents of Madagascar? Why do you care so much more about the Palestinians than you do about them?
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  172. @Ed
    Exactly it's not difficult. He issued a statement. Better but still can't resist the urge to take a swipe

    https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/759580511152910336

    Trump continues his attack on gold star father Khizr Khan.

    No apology for his attack on gold star mom Ghazala Khan

    Jeez, just a couple weeks ago, the media was flipping out about people being given gold stars, and now they’re for it. Make up your mind, OK?

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  173. It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as “the Palestinian people” – this was largely invented after the ’67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs.

    I don’t get why you have to use this line of argument that there is no such thing as Palestinians. You have better arguments to use in your favor.

    In the US we could say there is no such thing as a Native American or an American Indian because, prior to such and such year, people who now call themselves Native Americans or American Indians were not called such terms. Those terms were invented at a specific point in time. But it doesn’t change the fact that people, whatever they called themselves, lived in this land before people from Europe came to settle and found a new nation.

    Likewise there were a people living in what is now present day Israel before people from Europe came to settle and found a new nation.

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    I don’t get why you have to use this line of argument that there is no such thing as Palestinians. You have better arguments to use in your favor.

    There are no persuasive arguments.
    , @Jack D
    I don't deny that Arabs exist (it's pretty hard to miss them given all the trouble that they cause), but "Palestinian" is a very recent (mostly post 1967) invention. When the West Bank was part of Jordan there was never any talk of a Palestinian State in that territory. In the minds of the Arabs, "Palestine" meant (still means) that they wanted Tel Aviv and Haifa back, not Ramallah.

    There were people living there when the Jewish pioneers arrived but they were not "a people" in the sense that say Estonians constitute "a people" who are rooted in that specific piece of ground and nowhere else. It is more like say the Germans, who lived in East Prussia for 1,000 plus years but now that piece of territory is no longer German and there is no talk of getting it back but the Germans who lived there now live in other German speaking territories. The only reason this did not happen for "the Palestinians" is that the other Arab governments did not let it happen because it was to their advantage to keep the sores festering. The US and Europe are supposed to take millions of displaced Arabs and integrate them overnight into their general population but in the Arab countries they kept "the Palestinians" literally locked up in refugee camps for what is now going on 70 years.
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  174. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as "the Palestinian people" - this was largely invented after the '67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs. Remember that Nasser created something called the "United Arab Republic" which stretched from Egypt to Syria (with a little gap in the middle occupied by Israel that he wanted to get rid of). Compared to the displacements that are going on in other parts of Arab territory, whatever Israel has done is minor. If you view "the Palestinian struggle" as an effort by the Arab world to occupy 100% of the Middle East instead of 99% of it, it doesn't seem so sympathetic. If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn't mean that there is such a thing as a "Rhode Island nation". Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.

    As elsewhere, the Arabs of the area that is now Israel experienced a population explosion once Western medicine and sanitation was introduced. Arabs want certain parts of Western culture but until they accept the whole package it won't work.

    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as “the Palestinian people” – this was largely invented after the ’67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs

    Play your word games all you want. At the end of the day, the natives of Palestine were invaded by interloper Jews who sought to dispossess them.

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  175. @iSteveFan

    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as “the Palestinian people” – this was largely invented after the ’67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs.
     
    I don't get why you have to use this line of argument that there is no such thing as Palestinians. You have better arguments to use in your favor.

    In the US we could say there is no such thing as a Native American or an American Indian because, prior to such and such year, people who now call themselves Native Americans or American Indians were not called such terms. Those terms were invented at a specific point in time. But it doesn't change the fact that people, whatever they called themselves, lived in this land before people from Europe came to settle and found a new nation.

    Likewise there were a people living in what is now present day Israel before people from Europe came to settle and found a new nation.

    I don’t get why you have to use this line of argument that there is no such thing as Palestinians. You have better arguments to use in your favor.

    There are no persuasive arguments.

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  176. @Jack D
    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as "the Palestinian people" - this was largely invented after the '67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs. Remember that Nasser created something called the "United Arab Republic" which stretched from Egypt to Syria (with a little gap in the middle occupied by Israel that he wanted to get rid of). Compared to the displacements that are going on in other parts of Arab territory, whatever Israel has done is minor. If you view "the Palestinian struggle" as an effort by the Arab world to occupy 100% of the Middle East instead of 99% of it, it doesn't seem so sympathetic. If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn't mean that there is such a thing as a "Rhode Island nation". Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.

    As elsewhere, the Arabs of the area that is now Israel experienced a population explosion once Western medicine and sanitation was introduced. Arabs want certain parts of Western culture but until they accept the whole package it won't work.

    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as “the Palestinian people” – this was largely invented after the ’67 war.

    Yes, “Palestinians,” like “Jews,” are a social construct.

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  177. @donut
    Tiny Duck is a troll as you all well know , The obvious thing to do is not respond . Take note of who responds to him because they are trolls as well .

    Responding to trolls doesn’t necessarily make you a troll. That’s not how trolling works.

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    That is exactly how it works .
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  178. @Jack D
    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as "the Palestinian people" - this was largely invented after the '67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs. Remember that Nasser created something called the "United Arab Republic" which stretched from Egypt to Syria (with a little gap in the middle occupied by Israel that he wanted to get rid of). Compared to the displacements that are going on in other parts of Arab territory, whatever Israel has done is minor. If you view "the Palestinian struggle" as an effort by the Arab world to occupy 100% of the Middle East instead of 99% of it, it doesn't seem so sympathetic. If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn't mean that there is such a thing as a "Rhode Island nation". Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.

    As elsewhere, the Arabs of the area that is now Israel experienced a population explosion once Western medicine and sanitation was introduced. Arabs want certain parts of Western culture but until they accept the whole package it won't work.

    If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn’t mean that there is such a thing as a “Rhode Island nation”. Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.

    By the same token, the Palestinians could tell the Jews of Israel to start their lives over in Europe and not live 3,000 years in the past.

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    By the same token, the Palestinians could tell the Jews of Israel to start their lives over in Europe and not live 3,000 years in the past

    And in the United States.

    In fact, if there is to be a "Jewish State," shouldn't it be carved out of the United States? Let's sell them Rhode Island.
    , @Jack D
    First of all, maybe 1/2 the Jewish population of Israel is from Arab territories from which they were expelled so the whole thing can be viewed as an "exchange of population" as occurred between Greece and Turkey, Pakistan and India, etc.

    2nd the Jews did try living in Europe for 2,000 years and it did not work out very well in the end, did it?

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  179. @Ali Choudhury
    It's not that hard to spell his surname right.

    The liberal establishment is going crazy over him because he rather visibly undercuts Trump's contention that all Muslim immigrants to the US are basically paedophile terrorists with no loyalty to the country.

    In any case I hope whoever the next president keeps the US firmly out of foreign conflicts. The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it, even if he gave the country a terrible healthcare system.

    How do you know he’s not a pedophile terrorist? He’s proven his lack of loyalty to America by supporting Hillary.

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  180. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn’t mean that there is such a thing as a “Rhode Island nation”. Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.
     
    By the same token, the Palestinians could tell the Jews of Israel to start their lives over in Europe and not live 3,000 years in the past.

    By the same token, the Palestinians could tell the Jews of Israel to start their lives over in Europe and not live 3,000 years in the past

    And in the United States.

    In fact, if there is to be a “Jewish State,” shouldn’t it be carved out of the United States? Let’s sell them Rhode Island.

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    Conveniently close to some of our best universities and colleges, too.
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  181. @iSteveFan

    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as “the Palestinian people” – this was largely invented after the ’67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs.
     
    I don't get why you have to use this line of argument that there is no such thing as Palestinians. You have better arguments to use in your favor.

    In the US we could say there is no such thing as a Native American or an American Indian because, prior to such and such year, people who now call themselves Native Americans or American Indians were not called such terms. Those terms were invented at a specific point in time. But it doesn't change the fact that people, whatever they called themselves, lived in this land before people from Europe came to settle and found a new nation.

    Likewise there were a people living in what is now present day Israel before people from Europe came to settle and found a new nation.

    I don’t deny that Arabs exist (it’s pretty hard to miss them given all the trouble that they cause), but “Palestinian” is a very recent (mostly post 1967) invention. When the West Bank was part of Jordan there was never any talk of a Palestinian State in that territory. In the minds of the Arabs, “Palestine” meant (still means) that they wanted Tel Aviv and Haifa back, not Ramallah.

    There were people living there when the Jewish pioneers arrived but they were not “a people” in the sense that say Estonians constitute “a people” who are rooted in that specific piece of ground and nowhere else. It is more like say the Germans, who lived in East Prussia for 1,000 plus years but now that piece of territory is no longer German and there is no talk of getting it back but the Germans who lived there now live in other German speaking territories. The only reason this did not happen for “the Palestinians” is that the other Arab governments did not let it happen because it was to their advantage to keep the sores festering. The US and Europe are supposed to take millions of displaced Arabs and integrate them overnight into their general population but in the Arab countries they kept “the Palestinians” literally locked up in refugee camps for what is now going on 70 years.

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    I don’t deny that Arabs exist (it’s pretty hard to miss them given all the trouble that they cause), but “Palestinian” is a very recent (mostly post 1967) invention. When the West Bank was part of Jordan there was never any talk of a Palestinian State in that territory. In the minds of the Arabs, “Palestine” meant (still means) that they wanted Tel Aviv and Haifa back, not Ramallah.

    You are spinning falsehoods. The area was always called Palestine. Read the Balfour declaration, consult old Ottoman maps and administrative records.

    If Palestine is a recent invention, Israel (Tel Aviv, Haifa) is even more recent!
    , @guest
    There was no Palestinian nation, of course, and no distinct Palestinian culture or ethnicity. I can see why you object to the use of "Palestinian people" on those grounds, because that's what the phrase implies to many many minds. And that's what certain people with ulterior motives want you to think it means.

    However, there were people living in the area before the Jewish conquest, and I don't see anything wrong with calling them Palestinians. I call injuns Native Americans in mixed company without thinking that there was such a thing as a Red nation, and more importantly without any compunction about my ancestors having conquered them and taken their land. Or, rather, without any compunction related to their having been "a people" or not. I do have some compunctions.

    , @Johann Ricke

    The only reason this did not happen for “the Palestinians” is that the other Arab governments did not let it happen because it was to their advantage to keep the sores festering.
     
    I'd say that presumes way too much organization on their part. What's as likely is that Arab tribal identification prevents Palestinians from assimilating. The Palestinians, who are an Arab tribe, don't want to, and the native tribes in those lands want no part of them. Time will change this, but we are talking perhaps a century.
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  182. @PiltdownMan

    If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn’t mean that there is such a thing as a “Rhode Island nation”. Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.
     
    By the same token, the Palestinians could tell the Jews of Israel to start their lives over in Europe and not live 3,000 years in the past.

    First of all, maybe 1/2 the Jewish population of Israel is from Arab territories from which they were expelled so the whole thing can be viewed as an “exchange of population” as occurred between Greece and Turkey, Pakistan and India, etc.

    2nd the Jews did try living in Europe for 2,000 years and it did not work out very well in the end, did it?

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    First of all, maybe 1/2 the Jewish population of Israel is from Arab territories from which they were expelled so the whole thing can be viewed as an “exchange of population” as occurred between Greece and Turkey, Pakistan and India, etc.

    Bull. And most of the mizrahi Jews who migrated to Israel left of their own accord, they were not expelled.
    , @The most deplorable one

    2nd the Jews did try living in Europe for 2,000 years and it did not work out very well in the end, did it?
     
    Of course, the Jews are innocent victims of hate where ever try to assimilate.
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  183. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    I don't deny that Arabs exist (it's pretty hard to miss them given all the trouble that they cause), but "Palestinian" is a very recent (mostly post 1967) invention. When the West Bank was part of Jordan there was never any talk of a Palestinian State in that territory. In the minds of the Arabs, "Palestine" meant (still means) that they wanted Tel Aviv and Haifa back, not Ramallah.

    There were people living there when the Jewish pioneers arrived but they were not "a people" in the sense that say Estonians constitute "a people" who are rooted in that specific piece of ground and nowhere else. It is more like say the Germans, who lived in East Prussia for 1,000 plus years but now that piece of territory is no longer German and there is no talk of getting it back but the Germans who lived there now live in other German speaking territories. The only reason this did not happen for "the Palestinians" is that the other Arab governments did not let it happen because it was to their advantage to keep the sores festering. The US and Europe are supposed to take millions of displaced Arabs and integrate them overnight into their general population but in the Arab countries they kept "the Palestinians" literally locked up in refugee camps for what is now going on 70 years.

    I don’t deny that Arabs exist (it’s pretty hard to miss them given all the trouble that they cause), but “Palestinian” is a very recent (mostly post 1967) invention. When the West Bank was part of Jordan there was never any talk of a Palestinian State in that territory. In the minds of the Arabs, “Palestine” meant (still means) that they wanted Tel Aviv and Haifa back, not Ramallah.

    You are spinning falsehoods. The area was always called Palestine. Read the Balfour declaration, consult old Ottoman maps and administrative records.

    If Palestine is a recent invention, Israel (Tel Aviv, Haifa) is even more recent!

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  184. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    First of all, maybe 1/2 the Jewish population of Israel is from Arab territories from which they were expelled so the whole thing can be viewed as an "exchange of population" as occurred between Greece and Turkey, Pakistan and India, etc.

    2nd the Jews did try living in Europe for 2,000 years and it did not work out very well in the end, did it?

    First of all, maybe 1/2 the Jewish population of Israel is from Arab territories from which they were expelled so the whole thing can be viewed as an “exchange of population” as occurred between Greece and Turkey, Pakistan and India, etc.

    Bull. And most of the mizrahi Jews who migrated to Israel left of their own accord, they were not expelled.

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  185. @Tiny Duck
    Leonard Pitts lays the smackdown!:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article92689912.html


    November, then, is not just an election, but a moment of truth. We are called to decide whether to affirm our nation’s promises, and thus validate the faith and sacrifice of families like the Khans, or whether to burn it all to ash in the fire of our own anger and fear.

    And that’s something else that shouldn’t even be close.

    Khizr Khan: Trump has a ‘black soul’

    Tiny Duck, you can now board the Trump train. Khizr Khan has punched your ticket. Trump’s skin may be white, but his soul is black!

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  186. @Anonymous
    5 dead
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chattanooga_shootings#Victims

    Another 13
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting#Fatalities

    Two more:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Hasan_K._Akbar

    Army Captain Christopher S. Seifert was fatally shot in the back, and Air Force Major Gregory L. Stone was killed by a grenade.

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    If I had a name like Mark Fidel Kools there's no way I'd trade it for Hasan K. Akbar.
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  187. @tanabear
    Inviting Muslims into your country is like playing a game of Russian roulette with your country. Yes, most of the chambers are empty but if something does go wrong the consequences are disastrous. The standard leftist drivel is, "Well, most Muslims aren't terrorists, most Muslims aren't suicide bombers. " Would Liberals let their children play Russian roulette knowing that most of the chambers are empty and therefore harmless? No, of course they wouldn't. So the effect of Muslim immigration is that you are no better off or dead. Cost-benefit analysis says keep Muslims out.

    Remember legal Muslim immigration is why we have a huge surveillance state; it is why we have been on a perpetual war footing since 9/11; and why the nations of Western Europe seem to suffer a terrorist attack each week now.

    My reply to the “99.9% of Muslims aren’t terrorists!” remark has always been “Just like 99.99% of guns in America never shoot anyone!” Almost always shuts them up.

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    Not too sure about that. 1% of guns is about 3 million, so 99.9% of guns would exclude 300,000. We probably take 10 years to get 300,000 shootings, so99.9% is safe to say. In 10 years we have more than 30,000 people shot and killed, so probably more than .01% of guns are doing the shooting. Unless, of course, (and it's probably the case) 20% of guns that shoot people do 80 % of the shootings. Then basically the number of guns doing shootings amounts to about 40% of the total shootings.

    According to this site:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604
    About 40,000 people were shot and either killed or wounded last year USA. Assuming that 40% of those were done by unique guns, that's 16,000 guns per year involved in shootings. After two years, 32,000, and after 3, you'll certainly have had more than .01% of guns involved in shootings.

    Stick with 99.9%.
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  188. @Jack D
    I don't deny that Arabs exist (it's pretty hard to miss them given all the trouble that they cause), but "Palestinian" is a very recent (mostly post 1967) invention. When the West Bank was part of Jordan there was never any talk of a Palestinian State in that territory. In the minds of the Arabs, "Palestine" meant (still means) that they wanted Tel Aviv and Haifa back, not Ramallah.

    There were people living there when the Jewish pioneers arrived but they were not "a people" in the sense that say Estonians constitute "a people" who are rooted in that specific piece of ground and nowhere else. It is more like say the Germans, who lived in East Prussia for 1,000 plus years but now that piece of territory is no longer German and there is no talk of getting it back but the Germans who lived there now live in other German speaking territories. The only reason this did not happen for "the Palestinians" is that the other Arab governments did not let it happen because it was to their advantage to keep the sores festering. The US and Europe are supposed to take millions of displaced Arabs and integrate them overnight into their general population but in the Arab countries they kept "the Palestinians" literally locked up in refugee camps for what is now going on 70 years.

    There was no Palestinian nation, of course, and no distinct Palestinian culture or ethnicity. I can see why you object to the use of “Palestinian people” on those grounds, because that’s what the phrase implies to many many minds. And that’s what certain people with ulterior motives want you to think it means.

    However, there were people living in the area before the Jewish conquest, and I don’t see anything wrong with calling them Palestinians. I call injuns Native Americans in mixed company without thinking that there was such a thing as a Red nation, and more importantly without any compunction about my ancestors having conquered them and taken their land. Or, rather, without any compunction related to their having been “a people” or not. I do have some compunctions.

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  189. @Ali Choudhury
    It's not that hard to spell his surname right.

    The liberal establishment is going crazy over him because he rather visibly undercuts Trump's contention that all Muslim immigrants to the US are basically paedophile terrorists with no loyalty to the country.

    In any case I hope whoever the next president keeps the US firmly out of foreign conflicts. The Obama years have been a welcome respite from the endless drama that preceded it, even if he gave the country a terrible healthcare system.
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  190. @jesse helms think-alike
    The story appears to be genuine:

    Here's a star and stripes article from June 18 20014, ten days after he was killed:

    http://www.stripes.com/news/vilseck-pays-respects-to-fallen-1st-id-gi-1.21097

    Capt. Humayun S. M. Khan, 27, was killed June 8 in Baqouba when a vehicle packed with explosives detonated after it drove into the gate of his compound where he was inspecting soldiers on guard duty.

    He was the Forward Operating Base Warhorse force protection officer.

    Khan, from Bristow, Va., was born in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

    He entered the Army in May 2000 after receiving his commission through the Reserve Officer Training Corps.

    Comments read at the Rose Barracks Chapel service from his commander in Iraq, and his father, Khzir Khan, showed a soldier who loved and protected his unit just as he would his family.

    “Not even a week ago, I asked my son ‘Why are you doing what you do?’” Khan wrote. “And he simply said that like other members of his unit, he was being true to his word and his commitment to our nation. He said that the same love that he has for his family is the same love that he has for his unit.
     

    there are several posts from leftist websites (dailykos, thinkprogress etc) over the years highlighting Khan as a Muslim who died fighting for the USA. Over the years he became a poster child for the left as away to argue against anti muslim sentiment


    The New York Times has now taken up this story with a pre-emptive attack against Trump for what he says tomorrow in a George Stephapopolouse interview. Apparently Trump will cross a line tomorrow when he criticizes Capt. Khan's mother. Philip K Dick's Pre-Crime is become reality.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html

    Hmm, reading that makes me believe Capt. Khan was a force protection officer derelict in protecting his forces.

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  191. @Wilkey
    If Trump were that eloquent and idealistic I might have considered voting for him during the primaries. As it was I voted for Cruz. But since we're stuck with one of these a-holes - Clinton or Trump - I guess I'll have to defend the man.

    Never mistake eloquence for ability & competence. Exhibit A: Barry Hussain Obama.

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  192. @Kaz
    Because Pakistanis that make it to America (instead of choosing something like Britain/Europe) tend to not old onto old world grudges or come here because they openly acknowledge Pakistan sucks.

    No Pakistani-American I know of speaks of Pakistan in any positive, they look to India as an example of good progress they wish Pakistan would make.

    British Pakistanis are a whole other breed and I don't know why, they've festered a toxic culture there..

    The half-dozen Pakis I know all seem to have filtered through Saudi Arabia/Dubai before arriving here.

    MG, is the indirect route the usual experience?

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  193. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kaz
    Because Pakistanis that make it to America (instead of choosing something like Britain/Europe) tend to not old onto old world grudges or come here because they openly acknowledge Pakistan sucks.

    No Pakistani-American I know of speaks of Pakistan in any positive, they look to India as an example of good progress they wish Pakistan would make.

    British Pakistanis are a whole other breed and I don't know why, they've festered a toxic culture there..

    Because Pakistanis that make it to America (instead of choosing something like Britain/Europe) tend to not old onto old world grudges or come here because they openly acknowledge Pakistan sucks.

    No Pakistani-American I know of speaks of Pakistan in any positive, they look to India as an example of good progress they wish Pakistan would make.

    So they are probably supportive of Hindu immigration into Pakistan and Muslims Pakistanis losing their majority there, right? (Just as they all seem to favor Whites being eclipsed in Britain and the United States.)

    Right?

    Hello?

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  194. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Ed
    Exactly it's not difficult. He issued a statement. Better but still can't resist the urge to take a swipe

    https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/759580511152910336

    Looks like Trump just got more free political advertising.

    I guess the Dems better hope there are no more Muslim atrocities here in the US.

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  195. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Jack D
    First of all, maybe 1/2 the Jewish population of Israel is from Arab territories from which they were expelled so the whole thing can be viewed as an "exchange of population" as occurred between Greece and Turkey, Pakistan and India, etc.

    2nd the Jews did try living in Europe for 2,000 years and it did not work out very well in the end, did it?

    2nd the Jews did try living in Europe for 2,000 years and it did not work out very well in the end, did it?

    Of course, the Jews are innocent victims of hate where ever try to assimilate.

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  196. @FactsAreImportant
    I'm confused.

    Mr. Kahn's son was killed by Muslims in one of Hillary's wars. Why is he mad because Trump doesn't want to let the people who killed his son into the country?

    I don’t care why he’s mad. What’s important is why this is a news story. One answer: because it’s a “bipartisan” thing. Conservatives are hopped up on the soldier part, while progressives have the Person of Color angle. Trump’s eminently reasonable critique of McCain’s heroism, or lackthereof, lacked legs for the fact that McCain isn’t brown. This story won’t have legs, either, because who cares? But so long as it lasts it’s due to the brownness.

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  197. @Kaz
    Because Pakistanis that make it to America (instead of choosing something like Britain/Europe) tend to not old onto old world grudges or come here because they openly acknowledge Pakistan sucks.

    No Pakistani-American I know of speaks of Pakistan in any positive, they look to India as an example of good progress they wish Pakistan would make.

    British Pakistanis are a whole other breed and I don't know why, they've festered a toxic culture there..

    Every Pakistani immigrant I’ve ever met has been a doctor. It helps that I used to work in a hospital. They had no nostalgia for the homeland so far as I noticed. I was watching news coverage of Benazir Bhutto’s assassination with one, and his reaction was more or less, “Meh.”

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    Every Pakistani immigrant I’ve ever met has been a doctor. It helps that I used to work in a hospital. They had no nostalgia for the homeland so far as I noticed. I was watching news coverage of Benazir Bhutto’s assassination with one, and his reaction was more or less, “Meh.”

    Unh-huh. And how would they feel if we were to import millions of Hindus from India into Pakistan and thereby threaten Muslims' majority there?
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  198. @SPMoore8

    I would ask what kind of barbarian would attack the parents of a fallen soldier, but oh yeah it's the same person who attacks POW's.— Meghan McCain (@MeghanMcCain) July 31, 2016
     
    Let's recap: Some Muslim guy got killed 12 years ago, and his father, using his dead son as a prop, delivered a lecture to a presidential candidate about the Constitution.

    The presidential candidate, going out of his way to "feel the pain" of the father, responded to the charges made against him.

    How stupid.

    I’d say Trump should have realized the guy carries both a shield like Captain America’s, only with a gold star instead of white, and the more powerful Shield of Brownness. But Trump knows that, and he doesn’t care. He shouldn’t care.

    Shut up, Gold Star Father.

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  199. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    What would happen if Donald Trump said the following to George the short Greek tommorrow night:

    Donald Trump:George…lets talk about what Khzir Khan really wants…what Khizir Khan wants is for millions of Pakistani Muslims to legally migrate to America and be able to vote The Historic White Christian Majority into a racial majority as quickly a possible…As POTUS George….I will oppose this so I can make America Great Again!!!….

    “By the way George…most of the of US war dead in Iraq-Afghan were Native Born White American Christian Teenagers from the economically distressed American Heartland…the kind of Americans that Pakistani Muslim Legal Immigrant Kkzir Khan wants to vote into a racial minority on Nov 8 2016″….

    Steve….let the freaking post go through…it’s my masterpiece!!!

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    "The Groove writes eulogy for the Crackers, an epitaph for Old America."
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  200. One thing I’d suggest Trump do in his general election campaign ads — which he is only now commencing to air — is to target the media itself as an out-of-control, and dishonest, agent of Hillary. I’m sure it’s obvious by now to most voters just how biased the media is in this election. Just as it’s fair to see Wall Street as a corrupt, elite supporter of Clinton, so also it is fair to say the media is.

    The media has completely and obviously undermined its own credibility and integrity in this election, in ways far exceeding what it’s done in the past. Trump has a great deal to gain by hitting on that point, effectively turning the media’s own unhinged attacks on him against itself.

    And of course it would be delicious to see the media righteously protesting that, of course, they have been entirely balanced in their reporting.

    Really, what are they going to say?

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    "The media has completely and obviously undermined its own credibility and integrity in this election, in ways far exceeding what it’s done in the past. Trump has a great deal to gain by hitting on that point, effectively turning the media’s own unhinged attacks on him against itself.

    And of course it would be delicious to see the media righteously protesting that, of course, they have been entirely balanced in their reporting.

    Really, what are they going to say?"


    -My guess is, if journalists were forced into a corner of admitting their blatant bias, they'd just use more BS to justify it, basically building off how they've already characterized him. Something along the lines of, 'he's Hitler Reincarnated, so we're trying to stop the US from making a ghastly, racist mistake- its too bad that the press of the early 20th Century wasn't so committed to doing what is best for humanity'. That sort of thing.
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  201. @Pat Hannagan
    I support the right of Tiny Duck to free speech!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONsaSQOUCyM

    Who will stand with me?!

    “I support the right of Tiny Duck to free speech! ”

    Tiny Duck has the right to free speech, natch. But everyone else has the right to ignore what he says when he’s being a nuisance and blatantly trying to antagonize others into responding. Noel Ignatiev and Tim Wise can feel free to write ream after ream of articles and give speech after speech about their opinions on why the white man is the most evil and worthless creature that has ever walked the face of the earth and why whites should die, but it doesn’t mean I have to waste my time and money to read or listen to any of it. That’s my freedom.

    Its like putting a telemarketer who keeps calling you and wasting your time with nonsense you have no interest in on your list of blocked numbers for your phone.

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  202. @Tiny Duck
    "As far as I can tell so far, 14 Muslim-American soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American soldiers."

    Because Muslim Men are more masculine than white "men" and are therefore better soldiers.

    Face it, you jerks.

    You lost.

    GET OVER IT

    Don't worry. Your daughters will be good wives for the real men and your sons will make humble servants. People of Color haven't had the history of slavery and colonialism that you white people have.

    You’re confusing ‘not bathing regularly’ with being masculine. Kind of like how some claim oafish men having a fat beer belly are masculine. I can tell you that definitely, there aren’t too many women interested in guys with any of those traits.

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  203. @Steve Sailer
    But what if McCain had two terms? We'd probably have D-Day in Crimea schedule for today.

    No small irony that the neocon NeverTrump types point to Trump’s failure to conform to their supposed ideals while McCain simply had no discernible governing ideology at all. And Romney was little better, and in fact with RomneyCare took a major important issue off the table altogether. Both would have been only marginally worse than Barry Soetoro. And clear McCain on military adventurism might have been Dr.Stranglelove come to life.

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  204. @Clyde

    I must have missed this guy at the DNC, what with all the other memorable speakers (transgender, illegal immigrants, little people, mentally handicapped…). Hey, did you know that the white house was built by slaves? Tolerance!
     
    Actually the present day White House Moochelle Obamas lives in was not built by slaves. White House renovation was super extensive while Truman was President. The place was 95% rebuilt due to rot (my guess). What was left intact were the outside walls built by slaves and non-slaves. Was shoddy slave labor to blame for the necessity of that White House rebuilding? (joking)
    iirc Truman and his wife lived in the Naval Observatory building during this renovation. Same place the VPs traditionally live at.

    At any rate the White House was not originally built solely by slave labor with massa cracking the whip, which is the impression (lie) Moooochelle was trying to make. She was also saying subliminally that America was built by slave labor, which is a common meme these days. Just ask BLM know nothings.

    Truman lived in the Blair House during the renovations, where an attempt to assassinate him was made by Puerto Rican nationalists, who were thwarted by DC police and the Secret Service. Surviving would-be assassins were pardoned by Clinton to help Hillary with the Puerto Rican vote in her New York Senate race.

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  205. @donut
    " communists cannot get green cards"

    We elected one as president .

    Yes, but he was a natural-born citizen. The law can only aid our stupid electorate so far.

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  206. “Not even a week ago, I asked my son ‘Why are you doing what you do?’” Khan wrote.

    Would seem to suggest Mr Khan Sr. did not agree with his son volunteering to fight for his country (against fellow muslims?), and made his views known at the time.

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    Or maybe he was worried about his son getting killed in action?
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  207. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’m at the point of thinking that a major reason immigration is bad is that once it gets to a certain point we will never hear the end of these “and of course they are better than you” stories. “More deserving.” “More moral.” “Greater sacrifices.” “No one has suffered as much.” Who needs this?

    “The Empire absolutely needs all those Barbarian troops, see how they have been fighting and dying for Rome while everybody else just whines and rings their hands. They are better than our sad sack citizens of today. We absolutely need to recruit more barbarian legions now!”

    More foreign legions now!

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  208. @Jack D
    It is important (to me at least) to understand that there is no such thing as "the Palestinian people" - this was largely invented after the '67 war. Before that, they were just Arabs. Remember that Nasser created something called the "United Arab Republic" which stretched from Egypt to Syria (with a little gap in the middle occupied by Israel that he wanted to get rid of). Compared to the displacements that are going on in other parts of Arab territory, whatever Israel has done is minor. If you view "the Palestinian struggle" as an effort by the Arab world to occupy 100% of the Middle East instead of 99% of it, it doesn't seem so sympathetic. If for some reason all the white people had to leave Rhode Island and go live in the rest of America, I might feel bad for them but it wouldn't mean that there is such a thing as a "Rhode Island nation". Even if their ancestors had lived in RI for 300 years, there would STILL be no RI Nation. I might feel bad but I would tell them to start their lives over in Boston, Hartford, etc. and not live in the past.

    As elsewhere, the Arabs of the area that is now Israel experienced a population explosion once Western medicine and sanitation was introduced. Arabs want certain parts of Western culture but until they accept the whole package it won't work.

    The fact that there were no “Palestinians” prior to about 1964 is not relevant because 200-300 years ago the vast majority of recognized nations today did not exist, either. That is why we talk about the “self-determination” of nationalities. Even Jewish nationalism, i.e., Zionism, is relatively recent.

    But I am not interested in getting bogged down in definitions. The point of my original post was to rebut the claim that the Arabs in Greater Israel (let’s just use that terminology) were analogous to the recent immigrants in Europe.

    A few other observations:

    1. The disease control and sanitation that caused the Arab pop in GI to increase in the 19th Century were the same factors that caused the increase in population in East Central and East Europe with the attendant rise in competing nationalisms. Including Zionism.

    2. The expulsions during the 1947-48 war may be conceived of as a population transfer, but only retroactively.

    3. My main point is that the Arabs (Palis, whatever) are there, it’s not as though they invaded the territory, and it’s up to the power that controls the area (Israel) to sort it out. I don’t really care how they sort it out, however my natural inclination is towards peace and fairness.

    4. It’s evident not only because of Palestinian obduracy but also Israeli security needs/land greed that there is never going to be a separate Palestinian or Arab state. That’s been obvious for 20 years, at least. So, no two state solution.

    5. On the other hand, putting Arab and Israelis on an equal footing is not going to happen either, since that would nullify the Zionist project on the one hand and create an endless civil war on the other. So, no one state solution, either.

    6. The one Final Solution that I keep seeing talked about here is expelling all of the Arabs from the West Bank. That would certainly solve the “democracy” issue. But it would create a lot of other problems on its own, including access to the Dome of the Rock, which Israel insists on controlling but which is a very holy site to Muslims. (Don’t blame me, I didn’t write this script.)
    I doubt that this will happen.

    7. Since its inception, Israel has been dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, which are only a fraction of the Jewish population of GI which in turn are only about one half of the total population of GI. Eventually, that will change, I don’t know when, and I don’t particularly care, my interests are in peace, fairness, and not having the US getting sucked into military action that the Israeli government seems bent on goading us into (Iraq, Iran, etc.)

    8. If I were in charge of Israel I would be promoting an Israeli identity that was not tied to religion. I would also be promoting the development of the Arab communities so that their standard of living (and water use) would approximate that of its Jewish neighbors, which would be bound to reduce tension and grievances. I don’t think Israel, given its demographic composition and current structure is ever going to be either completely “Jewish” or “democratic” as we understand the term in the US. I don’t think that’s a bad thing.

    9. Demonizing the Arabs who live between the Jordan and the Med is stupid. So is demonizing the Jews.

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    9. Demonizing the Arabs who live between the Jordan and the Med is stupid. So is demonizing the Jews.
     
    Did members of the Israeli armed forced demonize Arabs in 1967, or just beat them? Dehumanizing people is a distraction, so is setting oneself up as a judge over conflicts that one is not a party to. Identify the enemy and defeat them, and leave the philosophers to argue about it, which they will doubtless do till the crack of doom.
    , @Grandpa Jack
    "If I were in charge of Israel I would be promoting an Israeli identity that was not tied to religion. "

    A similar strategy of promoting a pan-Singaporean identity has worked for Singapore for the last half century or so. Actually we could learn a number of useful things from what has worked in Singapore. Around the same time we were setting up a society based on trying to ensure equal results from unequal participants, they were setting up a society based on trying to create equal opportunity for unequal participants. Its what the liberals promised us, here in the US, but instead we got affirmative action, increasing demonization of whitey for black failure, ever increasing privileges for People of Color to try to 'level the playing field', etc. Trillions of dollars wasted, and countless lives wrecked later, what have we got? Blacks are more mad than ever, and still just as far behind on academic performance, 3/4 of black kids being born out of wedlock in 1 parent homes, make-work government jobs that result in high inefficiency and waste, white children wrongfully shamed, whites dying at an accelerated rate, etc. We need to go back to the beginning, erase affirmative action, restore freedom of association, and promote a pride in America, and a pan-American identity of Americans First. Still have punishment for discrimination, but abolish the irrational concept of disparate impact. Expect everyone to be treated with the same opportunity, but not wag their finger when groups with different abilities perform at different levels at different tasks.

    , @yowza

    9. Demonizing the Arabs who live between the Jordan and the Med is stupid. So is demonizing the Jews.
     
    Seems one mistake you're making is recognizing Israel as a legitimate "state." If a country cannot exist without welfare grants from the United States, how can you consider it a legitimate sovereign country?

    Tell us what you think would happen if we stopped sending Israel the 8-9 BILLION dollars a year to hold it's pants up?

    Then explain how Israel is a peer to other independent states, as well as why muslims shouldn't hate us for sticking our nose into their region and supporting a state they despise.

    Because you make me wonder.
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  209. The right should undermine the authority of the leftist press by mocking them like the left mocks Fox news. Example CNN should be referred to as the Canard News Network.

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  210. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Federalist
    Why did these people come to America? More importantly, why do we allow people like them to come here? Is our population collapsing? Not that it's a good idea, but at least it's possible to understand the misguided justification of allowing immigrants to come from south of the border to do the work Americans won't do (for extremely low wages). But, why the hell do we need people from halfway around the world?

    Once again, from the top, because they’re not white and they’re anti-Western, by their very DNA. The left doesn’t care about the economics of immigration, in fact they get off on foisting the bill – culturally, economically, and in blood – on whites. Nor is it really about politics, though leftist parties will gratefully take the colonialist hate/gibs vote. But they don’t care if white liberal countries turn into sharia hell-holes, all that matters is that whitey gets it. Immigration policies are overwhelmingly driven by a racist hatred of white people, and by collaboration with that hatred for profit or from fear.

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  211. @candid_observer
    One thing I'd suggest Trump do in his general election campaign ads -- which he is only now commencing to air -- is to target the media itself as an out-of-control, and dishonest, agent of Hillary. I'm sure it's obvious by now to most voters just how biased the media is in this election. Just as it's fair to see Wall Street as a corrupt, elite supporter of Clinton, so also it is fair to say the media is.

    The media has completely and obviously undermined its own credibility and integrity in this election, in ways far exceeding what it's done in the past. Trump has a great deal to gain by hitting on that point, effectively turning the media's own unhinged attacks on him against itself.

    And of course it would be delicious to see the media righteously protesting that, of course, they have been entirely balanced in their reporting.

    Really, what are they going to say?

    “The media has completely and obviously undermined its own credibility and integrity in this election, in ways far exceeding what it’s done in the past. Trump has a great deal to gain by hitting on that point, effectively turning the media’s own unhinged attacks on him against itself.

    And of course it would be delicious to see the media righteously protesting that, of course, they have been entirely balanced in their reporting.

    Really, what are they going to say?”

    -My guess is, if journalists were forced into a corner of admitting their blatant bias, they’d just use more BS to justify it, basically building off how they’ve already characterized him. Something along the lines of, ‘he’s Hitler Reincarnated, so we’re trying to stop the US from making a ghastly, racist mistake- its too bad that the press of the early 20th Century wasn’t so committed to doing what is best for humanity’. That sort of thing.

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  212. @SPMoore8
    The fact that there were no "Palestinians" prior to about 1964 is not relevant because 200-300 years ago the vast majority of recognized nations today did not exist, either. That is why we talk about the "self-determination" of nationalities. Even Jewish nationalism, i.e., Zionism, is relatively recent.

    But I am not interested in getting bogged down in definitions. The point of my original post was to rebut the claim that the Arabs in Greater Israel (let's just use that terminology) were analogous to the recent immigrants in Europe.

    A few other observations:

    1. The disease control and sanitation that caused the Arab pop in GI to increase in the 19th Century were the same factors that caused the increase in population in East Central and East Europe with the attendant rise in competing nationalisms. Including Zionism.

    2. The expulsions during the 1947-48 war may be conceived of as a population transfer, but only retroactively.

    3. My main point is that the Arabs (Palis, whatever) are there, it's not as though they invaded the territory, and it's up to the power that controls the area (Israel) to sort it out. I don't really care how they sort it out, however my natural inclination is towards peace and fairness.

    4. It's evident not only because of Palestinian obduracy but also Israeli security needs/land greed that there is never going to be a separate Palestinian or Arab state. That's been obvious for 20 years, at least. So, no two state solution.

    5. On the other hand, putting Arab and Israelis on an equal footing is not going to happen either, since that would nullify the Zionist project on the one hand and create an endless civil war on the other. So, no one state solution, either.

    6. The one Final Solution that I keep seeing talked about here is expelling all of the Arabs from the West Bank. That would certainly solve the "democracy" issue. But it would create a lot of other problems on its own, including access to the Dome of the Rock, which Israel insists on controlling but which is a very holy site to Muslims. (Don't blame me, I didn't write this script.)
    I doubt that this will happen.

    7. Since its inception, Israel has been dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, which are only a fraction of the Jewish population of GI which in turn are only about one half of the total population of GI. Eventually, that will change, I don't know when, and I don't particularly care, my interests are in peace, fairness, and not having the US getting sucked into military action that the Israeli government seems bent on goading us into (Iraq, Iran, etc.)

    8. If I were in charge of Israel I would be promoting an Israeli identity that was not tied to religion. I would also be promoting the development of the Arab communities so that their standard of living (and water use) would approximate that of its Jewish neighbors, which would be bound to reduce tension and grievances. I don't think Israel, given its demographic composition and current structure is ever going to be either completely "Jewish" or "democratic" as we understand the term in the US. I don't think that's a bad thing.

    9. Demonizing the Arabs who live between the Jordan and the Med is stupid. So is demonizing the Jews.

    9. Demonizing the Arabs who live between the Jordan and the Med is stupid. So is demonizing the Jews.

    Did members of the Israeli armed forced demonize Arabs in 1967, or just beat them? Dehumanizing people is a distraction, so is setting oneself up as a judge over conflicts that one is not a party to. Identify the enemy and defeat them, and leave the philosophers to argue about it, which they will doubtless do till the crack of doom.

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  213. @SPMoore8
    The fact that there were no "Palestinians" prior to about 1964 is not relevant because 200-300 years ago the vast majority of recognized nations today did not exist, either. That is why we talk about the "self-determination" of nationalities. Even Jewish nationalism, i.e., Zionism, is relatively recent.

    But I am not interested in getting bogged down in definitions. The point of my original post was to rebut the claim that the Arabs in Greater Israel (let's just use that terminology) were analogous to the recent immigrants in Europe.

    A few other observations:

    1. The disease control and sanitation that caused the Arab pop in GI to increase in the 19th Century were the same factors that caused the increase in population in East Central and East Europe with the attendant rise in competing nationalisms. Including Zionism.

    2. The expulsions during the 1947-48 war may be conceived of as a population transfer, but only retroactively.

    3. My main point is that the Arabs (Palis, whatever) are there, it's not as though they invaded the territory, and it's up to the power that controls the area (Israel) to sort it out. I don't really care how they sort it out, however my natural inclination is towards peace and fairness.

    4. It's evident not only because of Palestinian obduracy but also Israeli security needs/land greed that there is never going to be a separate Palestinian or Arab state. That's been obvious for 20 years, at least. So, no two state solution.

    5. On the other hand, putting Arab and Israelis on an equal footing is not going to happen either, since that would nullify the Zionist project on the one hand and create an endless civil war on the other. So, no one state solution, either.

    6. The one Final Solution that I keep seeing talked about here is expelling all of the Arabs from the West Bank. That would certainly solve the "democracy" issue. But it would create a lot of other problems on its own, including access to the Dome of the Rock, which Israel insists on controlling but which is a very holy site to Muslims. (Don't blame me, I didn't write this script.)
    I doubt that this will happen.

    7. Since its inception, Israel has been dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, which are only a fraction of the Jewish population of GI which in turn are only about one half of the total population of GI. Eventually, that will change, I don't know when, and I don't particularly care, my interests are in peace, fairness, and not having the US getting sucked into military action that the Israeli government seems bent on goading us into (Iraq, Iran, etc.)

    8. If I were in charge of Israel I would be promoting an Israeli identity that was not tied to religion. I would also be promoting the development of the Arab communities so that their standard of living (and water use) would approximate that of its Jewish neighbors, which would be bound to reduce tension and grievances. I don't think Israel, given its demographic composition and current structure is ever going to be either completely "Jewish" or "democratic" as we understand the term in the US. I don't think that's a bad thing.

    9. Demonizing the Arabs who live between the Jordan and the Med is stupid. So is demonizing the Jews.

    “If I were in charge of Israel I would be promoting an Israeli identity that was not tied to religion. ”

    A similar strategy of promoting a pan-Singaporean identity has worked for Singapore for the last half century or so. Actually we could learn a number of useful things from what has worked in Singapore. Around the same time we were setting up a society based on trying to ensure equal results from unequal participants, they were setting up a society based on trying to create equal opportunity for unequal participants. Its what the liberals promised us, here in the US, but instead we got affirmative action, increasing demonization of whitey for black failure, ever increasing privileges for People of Color to try to ‘level the playing field’, etc. Trillions of dollars wasted, and countless lives wrecked later, what have we got? Blacks are more mad than ever, and still just as far behind on academic performance, 3/4 of black kids being born out of wedlock in 1 parent homes, make-work government jobs that result in high inefficiency and waste, white children wrongfully shamed, whites dying at an accelerated rate, etc. We need to go back to the beginning, erase affirmative action, restore freedom of association, and promote a pride in America, and a pan-American identity of Americans First. Still have punishment for discrimination, but abolish the irrational concept of disparate impact. Expect everyone to be treated with the same opportunity, but not wag their finger when groups with different abilities perform at different levels at different tasks.

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  214. @Jack D
    I don't deny that Arabs exist (it's pretty hard to miss them given all the trouble that they cause), but "Palestinian" is a very recent (mostly post 1967) invention. When the West Bank was part of Jordan there was never any talk of a Palestinian State in that territory. In the minds of the Arabs, "Palestine" meant (still means) that they wanted Tel Aviv and Haifa back, not Ramallah.

    There were people living there when the Jewish pioneers arrived but they were not "a people" in the sense that say Estonians constitute "a people" who are rooted in that specific piece of ground and nowhere else. It is more like say the Germans, who lived in East Prussia for 1,000 plus years but now that piece of territory is no longer German and there is no talk of getting it back but the Germans who lived there now live in other German speaking territories. The only reason this did not happen for "the Palestinians" is that the other Arab governments did not let it happen because it was to their advantage to keep the sores festering. The US and Europe are supposed to take millions of displaced Arabs and integrate them overnight into their general population but in the Arab countries they kept "the Palestinians" literally locked up in refugee camps for what is now going on 70 years.

    The only reason this did not happen for “the Palestinians” is that the other Arab governments did not let it happen because it was to their advantage to keep the sores festering.

    I’d say that presumes way too much organization on their part. What’s as likely is that Arab tribal identification prevents Palestinians from assimilating. The Palestinians, who are an Arab tribe, don’t want to, and the native tribes in those lands want no part of them. Time will change this, but we are talking perhaps a century.

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  215. @SPMoore8
    The fact that there were no "Palestinians" prior to about 1964 is not relevant because 200-300 years ago the vast majority of recognized nations today did not exist, either. That is why we talk about the "self-determination" of nationalities. Even Jewish nationalism, i.e., Zionism, is relatively recent.

    But I am not interested in getting bogged down in definitions. The point of my original post was to rebut the claim that the Arabs in Greater Israel (let's just use that terminology) were analogous to the recent immigrants in Europe.

    A few other observations:

    1. The disease control and sanitation that caused the Arab pop in GI to increase in the 19th Century were the same factors that caused the increase in population in East Central and East Europe with the attendant rise in competing nationalisms. Including Zionism.

    2. The expulsions during the 1947-48 war may be conceived of as a population transfer, but only retroactively.

    3. My main point is that the Arabs (Palis, whatever) are there, it's not as though they invaded the territory, and it's up to the power that controls the area (Israel) to sort it out. I don't really care how they sort it out, however my natural inclination is towards peace and fairness.

    4. It's evident not only because of Palestinian obduracy but also Israeli security needs/land greed that there is never going to be a separate Palestinian or Arab state. That's been obvious for 20 years, at least. So, no two state solution.

    5. On the other hand, putting Arab and Israelis on an equal footing is not going to happen either, since that would nullify the Zionist project on the one hand and create an endless civil war on the other. So, no one state solution, either.

    6. The one Final Solution that I keep seeing talked about here is expelling all of the Arabs from the West Bank. That would certainly solve the "democracy" issue. But it would create a lot of other problems on its own, including access to the Dome of the Rock, which Israel insists on controlling but which is a very holy site to Muslims. (Don't blame me, I didn't write this script.)
    I doubt that this will happen.

    7. Since its inception, Israel has been dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, which are only a fraction of the Jewish population of GI which in turn are only about one half of the total population of GI. Eventually, that will change, I don't know when, and I don't particularly care, my interests are in peace, fairness, and not having the US getting sucked into military action that the Israeli government seems bent on goading us into (Iraq, Iran, etc.)

    8. If I were in charge of Israel I would be promoting an Israeli identity that was not tied to religion. I would also be promoting the development of the Arab communities so that their standard of living (and water use) would approximate that of its Jewish neighbors, which would be bound to reduce tension and grievances. I don't think Israel, given its demographic composition and current structure is ever going to be either completely "Jewish" or "democratic" as we understand the term in the US. I don't think that's a bad thing.

    9. Demonizing the Arabs who live between the Jordan and the Med is stupid. So is demonizing the Jews.

    9. Demonizing the Arabs who live between the Jordan and the Med is stupid. So is demonizing the Jews.

    Seems one mistake you’re making is recognizing Israel as a legitimate “state.” If a country cannot exist without welfare grants from the United States, how can you consider it a legitimate sovereign country?

    Tell us what you think would happen if we stopped sending Israel the 8-9 BILLION dollars a year to hold it’s pants up?

    Then explain how Israel is a peer to other independent states, as well as why muslims shouldn’t hate us for sticking our nose into their region and supporting a state they despise.

    Because you make me wonder.

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  216. @Brutusale
    My reply to the "99.9% of Muslims aren't terrorists!" remark has always been "Just like 99.99% of guns in America never shoot anyone!" Almost always shuts them up.

    Not too sure about that. 1% of guns is about 3 million, so 99.9% of guns would exclude 300,000. We probably take 10 years to get 300,000 shootings, so99.9% is safe to say. In 10 years we have more than 30,000 people shot and killed, so probably more than .01% of guns are doing the shooting. Unless, of course, (and it’s probably the case) 20% of guns that shoot people do 80 % of the shootings. Then basically the number of guns doing shootings amounts to about 40% of the total shootings.

    According to this site:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604

    About 40,000 people were shot and either killed or wounded last year USA. Assuming that 40% of those were done by unique guns, that’s 16,000 guns per year involved in shootings. After two years, 32,000, and after 3, you’ll certainly have had more than .01% of guns involved in shootings.

    Stick with 99.9%.

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    Most of the people arguing the point are innumerate, so the chances of being called on the number approach zero. Maybe I'll go with "killed". That way I should be able to keep the extra decimal place!
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  217. @Federalist
    Why did these people come to America? More importantly, why do we allow people like them to come here? Is our population collapsing? Not that it's a good idea, but at least it's possible to understand the misguided justification of allowing immigrants to come from south of the border to do the work Americans won't do (for extremely low wages). But, why the hell do we need people from halfway around the world?

    “why do we allow people like them to come here?”. )))We((( do not!!!

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  218. Owing to Khizr Khan’s country of origin, and outrageous accent, it’s fortunate for Hillary’s strategy that the attack on our nation occurred on 9/11, instead of 7/11.

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  219. Do we know why the Khans got admitted to the US?

    I found this 2005 article at the Washington Post?

    “He and his wife would talk often to their three boys about why they decided to come to the United States, he began. It was the 1970s, and Pakistan was under military rule. They came to Silver Spring to have more freedom and opportunity.

    “It sounds cliche,” said Khan, 54, “but that is the story.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/khizr-khans-loss-a-grieving-father-of-a-soldier-struggles-to-understand/2016/07/28/18e8139a-552d-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html?tid=a_inl#comments

    But they were living in the Middle East when they came. Were they refugees? Did they have a brother or sister sponsor them? Those seem like the most obvious explanations.

    I felt a little deceived when it turns out Mr. Khan is a highly educated lawyer, after claiming he came to the US with nothing. He had a great brain, if nothing else. Their story does not seem to involve poverty.

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    Do the dates add up, I wonder. Wiki lists the deceased son as born in UAE in 1976, so I presume they came here late 70s .. Pakistanis who transited thru UAE, living there however long they did.

    The father is reported to now be 54. His son died 11, 12 years ago at about 29, 30.

    Seems something is a bit off. That being the father's age. He does look older than mid 50s and so does she.
    , @Brutusale
    General Zia, who took over in a coup that deposed Bhutto in 1977, was a good US buddy who worked with the US government against the Soviets during their slog through Afghanistan. His help allowed the US government to turn a blind eye to the increasing Islamization of Pakistan under Zia, which was much easier in the days before we started killing Muslims on a wholesale basis and the began to respond in kind.

    Were the Khans "escaping" the military government or Pakistan's adoption of a more conservative Islam?
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  220. I don’t know whether anyone else has made this observation, but what I found most striking is the fact that Mrs. Khan stood next to her husband at the DNC Thursday night wearing a hijab while this morning she appeared on This Week bare-headed, not wearing a hijab. Seeing them standing there, I did not instantly think what a nice American couple they appeared to be. And I strongly resented being preached to by a Muslim Pakistani about what it is to be a “good American.” I wish one of the Sunday talk show hosts had asked Mr. Khan how many Pakistanis should be admitted to the U.S. as a result of his son’s death fighting a war that I opposed long before it began. He didn’t die for me. Or, better yet, would he be comfortable if the U.S. were to admit a million Pakistanis each year and does he think other Americans might be uncomfortable with that fact? I seem to recall that one of the “immigration reform” bills that was circulating a few years back provided agricultural workers a Green Card after 5 years of working in agriculture. Not to denigrate the loss of Mr. Khan’s son in uniform, but we seem to have come a long way toward treating American citizenship as 50 cent off coupons handed out at the grocery store.

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  221. @notsaying
    Do we know why the Khans got admitted to the US?

    I found this 2005 article at the Washington Post?

    "He and his wife would talk often to their three boys about why they decided to come to the United States, he began. It was the 1970s, and Pakistan was under military rule. They came to Silver Spring to have more freedom and opportunity.

    "It sounds cliche," said Khan, 54, "but that is the story."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/khizr-khans-loss-a-grieving-father-of-a-soldier-struggles-to-understand/2016/07/28/18e8139a-552d-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html?tid=a_inl#comments

    But they were living in the Middle East when they came. Were they refugees? Did they have a brother or sister sponsor them? Those seem like the most obvious explanations.

    I felt a little deceived when it turns out Mr. Khan is a highly educated lawyer, after claiming he came to the US with nothing. He had a great brain, if nothing else. Their story does not seem to involve poverty.

    Do the dates add up, I wonder. Wiki lists the deceased son as born in UAE in 1976, so I presume they came here late 70s .. Pakistanis who transited thru UAE, living there however long they did.

    The father is reported to now be 54. His son died 11, 12 years ago at about 29, 30.

    Seems something is a bit off. That being the father’s age. He does look older than mid 50s and so does she.

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    Dad Kahn fathered his son, Hammy, at age 14? Doesn't add up.
    , @notsaying
    Hi Hidden Cat,

    The article read weird to me, too.

    Then I glanced up and saw the date it was published again -- which was in 2005.

    So advance everything you read by about 10 years.
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  222. “But we’ll make up for it on volume!”

    After the five police officers were shot and killed in Dallas, the black captain of the police force called for blacks to enlist in the force. I heard the other day that about 500 had signed up to join the police force. I wonder how many of those were black. Interesting arrangement: kill the white cops and replace them with blacks, if my suspicions prove correct.

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  223. @candid_observer
    In some ways, I just wonder how the public can possibly take these faux outrages seriously, at this point in the election cycle, when the media seems to invent every single day a new thing they can attack him with.

    There does come a point at which the daily gotcha just doesn't do anything anymore, and at which the public starts to lose any remaining respect they had for the media.

    The media really doesn't seem to understand that they can lose this battle themselves by trying way too hard to bring Trump down. They have their own credibility at stake, but don't seem to realize it.

    And they will never bring Trump down if they have no credibility.

    When everything is an outrage, nothing is… Outrage exhaustion occurring in…3…2…1…

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  224. @candid_observer
    The media is as dishonest as the day is long.

    Here is another relevant tweet:

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/759591041221726208

    Compare this with what Trump actually said in his response:

    While I feel deeply for the loss of his son, Mr. Khan who has never met me, has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution, (which is false) and say many other inaccurate things.
     
    What honest reporter can describe that statement as Trump saying the man has "'no right' to criticize me"? Trump is saying that the man was saying something false about him, and had no right to do so; how is that possibly equivalent to Trump saying that the man in general had no right to criticize him?

    These reporters are just disgusting. They lie and distort worse than the politicians.

    The Hill is a Dem party propaganda organ–it serves no other purpose.

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  225. @Flinders Petrie
    I must have missed this guy at the DNC, what with all the other memorable speakers (transgender, illegal immigrants, little people, mentally handicapped...). Hey, did you know that the white house was built by slaves? Tolerance!

    ” Hey, did you know that the white house was built by slaves? Tolerance!”

    You left out (and Michelle as well) the very important fact that it was partially designed by Sally Hemings’ paramour, some obscure slave owner in Virginia.

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  226. Let’s be clear about Khan; he questioned his son’s service, while he was alive, and then after his son died, he went on national TV to make partisan points against the country that allowed him to immigrate and make a decent living, a country that is a far better place to live in than his homeland.

    I would ask what kind of barbarian would attack the parents of a fallen soldier, but oh yeah it’s the same person who attacks POW’s.— Meghan McCain (@MeghanMcCain) July 31, 2016

    Let’s be clear about Meghan Blockhead McCain: she strictly adheres to the laws of nepotism; her media access is inherited from her daddy, her influence is inherited from her daddy, her politics are inherited from her daddy, and her loyalties are inherited from her daddy. She lies for her daddy on the radio, that’s her job. Anyone who listens to her show or reads her positions knows this. The only people she’s fooling are rubes who literally cannot put 2 and 2 together.

    The media is stuffed full of people like McCain who will lie at the drop of a hat. They’re all so ready to destroy their own credibility because their word was never worth anything in the first place.

    Instead he made the comment about the soldier’s mom and rambled on about how he had sacrificed for the country because he put up buildings and created jobs.

    Trump should admit he’s sacrificed a lot of future earnings with his campaign. The donor class loathes him now.

    Jack D, before I buy into this “Palestinians are not a people” thing, I’d need Jews to drop the whole “African Americans are a people” and “Native Americans are a people” things first.

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    Jack D, before I buy into this “Palestinians are not a people” thing, I’d need Jews to drop the whole “African Americans are a people” and “Native Americans are a people” things first.

    He can start by dropping the "Israelis are a people" thing. Heck, even "jewishness" is a social construct.
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  227. @Hidden Cat
    Do the dates add up, I wonder. Wiki lists the deceased son as born in UAE in 1976, so I presume they came here late 70s .. Pakistanis who transited thru UAE, living there however long they did.

    The father is reported to now be 54. His son died 11, 12 years ago at about 29, 30.

    Seems something is a bit off. That being the father's age. He does look older than mid 50s and so does she.

    Dad Kahn fathered his son, Hammy, at age 14? Doesn’t add up.

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    "Dad Kahn fathered his son, Hammy, at age 14? "

    Then how old was his mother when he was born? 12? 13? I can't find any reference to her age.

    BTW I ran across these paragraphs in a CNN article:

    "Khan pushed back on Trump's suggestion that his wife, who was also on stage at the DNC, was not allowed to speak. He said she has high blood pressure and didn't want to speak for fear she wouldn't be able to hold herself together discussing her Gold Star son on stage.
    "For this candidate for presidency to not be aware of the respect of a Gold Star mother standing there, and he had to take that shot at her, this is height of ignorance," Khan said. "This is why I showed him (the) Constitution. Had he read that, he would know the status a Gold Star mother holds in this nation." " http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/31/politics/khizr-khan-donald-trump-black-soul/

    It's been a while since I read the entire Constitution, but I seem to vaguely recall that the Founding Fathers in 1787 created a fourth branch of government to be comprised solely of Gold Star mothers. That must be what Mr. Khan is referring to.
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  228. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor
    Let's be clear about Khan; he questioned his son's service, while he was alive, and then after his son died, he went on national TV to make partisan points against the country that allowed him to immigrate and make a decent living, a country that is a far better place to live in than his homeland.

    I would ask what kind of barbarian would attack the parents of a fallen soldier, but oh yeah it's the same person who attacks POW's.— Meghan McCain (@MeghanMcCain) July 31, 2016
     
    Let's be clear about Meghan Blockhead McCain: she strictly adheres to the laws of nepotism; her media access is inherited from her daddy, her influence is inherited from her daddy, her politics are inherited from her daddy, and her loyalties are inherited from her daddy. She lies for her daddy on the radio, that's her job. Anyone who listens to her show or reads her positions knows this. The only people she's fooling are rubes who literally cannot put 2 and 2 together.

    The media is stuffed full of people like McCain who will lie at the drop of a hat. They're all so ready to destroy their own credibility because their word was never worth anything in the first place.

    Instead he made the comment about the soldier’s mom and rambled on about how he had sacrificed for the country because he put up buildings and created jobs.
     
    Trump should admit he's sacrificed a lot of future earnings with his campaign. The donor class loathes him now.

    Jack D, before I buy into this "Palestinians are not a people" thing, I'd need Jews to drop the whole "African Americans are a people" and "Native Americans are a people" things first.

    Jack D, before I buy into this “Palestinians are not a people” thing, I’d need Jews to drop the whole “African Americans are a people” and “Native Americans are a people” things first.

    He can start by dropping the “Israelis are a people” thing. Heck, even “jewishness” is a social construct.

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  229. @Grumpy
    I wasn't suggesting that.

    When Japan invaded China, China was much poorer, weaker and much less politically unified than Japan.

    The countries that the US has chosen to fight since World War II have been much weaker than the US: North Korea, North Vietnam, and Iraq. China may start picking fights with weak countries, too. Going to war with Japan or the United States would be a very different proposition.

    (Admittedly, the Chinese guy was suggesting a war with the US.)

    What timing. Look at what Drudge just put at the top of his page.

    US would suffer more in war with China

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/997560.shtml

    “If Australia steps into the South China Sea waters, it will be an ideal target for China to warn and strike.”

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/997320.shtml

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  231. @mobi

    “Not even a week ago, I asked my son ‘Why are you doing what you do?’” Khan wrote.
     
    Would seem to suggest Mr Khan Sr. did not agree with his son volunteering to fight for his country (against fellow muslims?), and made his views known at the time.

    Or maybe he was worried about his son getting killed in action?

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    Or maybe he was worried about his son getting killed in action?
     
    Sure, but wouldn't all families be so worried? I somehow doubt, though, that all families would equate that with being unable to comprehend why their sons or daughters chose to go, and to openly challenge them to explain.

    This looks more like 'I don't understand why you would want to do this', whereas now he appears to be boasting about his son's, and his, noble sacrifice.
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  232. @candid_observer
    In some ways, I just wonder how the public can possibly take these faux outrages seriously, at this point in the election cycle, when the media seems to invent every single day a new thing they can attack him with.

    There does come a point at which the daily gotcha just doesn't do anything anymore, and at which the public starts to lose any remaining respect they had for the media.

    The media really doesn't seem to understand that they can lose this battle themselves by trying way too hard to bring Trump down. They have their own credibility at stake, but don't seem to realize it.

    And they will never bring Trump down if they have no credibility.

    If they were smart they’d ease up on him for a couple of months.

    Trump is best when he is being attacked and punches back.

    Leave him be for a bit, then bombard him close to election. I think its their only hope. Dirty rats

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  233. Yair Rosenberg: @wrmead’s absolutely essential book on the history of American support for Israel is now available for pre-order!

    John Wifeschild: @Yair_Rosenberg @wrmead You should send a copy to #khazirkhan so he can read why his son died.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MyWifesChild/status/759880515646267392

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  234. @Anonymous
    You're equating Syrian, Algerian, and Somali immigrants in Europe to Palestinians in Palestine. They're not the same thing.

    You’re equating Syrian, Algerian, and Somali immigrants in Europe to Palestinians in Palestine. They’re not the same thing.

    Close enough for me, they are all Muslims. Anyway, there must be at at least one-two million Palestinians in Europe. So for you the Jews of Israel hijacked/invaded Muslim lands while 30 million plus Muslims have invaded European lands. The second one is OK with you.

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  235. @Grumpy
    I wasn't suggesting that.

    When Japan invaded China, China was much poorer, weaker and much less politically unified than Japan.

    The countries that the US has chosen to fight since World War II have been much weaker than the US: North Korea, North Vietnam, and Iraq. China may start picking fights with weak countries, too. Going to war with Japan or the United States would be a very different proposition.

    (Admittedly, the Chinese guy was suggesting a war with the US.)

    Today I saw a manlet on the NYC subway platform refilling his water backpack that has a hose attached to the shoulder strap, where he sips water out of continuously throughout the day like a hamster. Its admittedly hot out, but he’s not trekking the Sahara here folks. I can’t imagine ww2 generation doing something so wimpy and gay. If China declared war on us theyd beat us in about a month. We are weak and stupid. Good thing we have nukes

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