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An Unpopular Approach to the Populism Problem
A modest proposal.

Swiftian plausible deniability? Or violent fantasizing? Or both?

NOAH ROTHMAN / MAR. 8, 2018

… But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. … Classical liberalism’s winners vastly outnumber its losers, and it is the populist nationalist alternative that cannot be accommodated. But it can, and therefore should, be defeated.

Humility and passivity do not well serve those who truly believe the liberal capitalist order hammered out after the Second World War is of the greatest benefit to the greatest number. Concessions to illiberal populists or chauvinistic nationalists should not be the product of charity or self-doubt. They should be hard-won, and only after a bitterly contested ordeal. These kinds of martial metaphors will yield bouts of feigned indignation from populist nationalists who freely and recklessly resort to such language themselves, but this, too, amounts to mere theatrics. If capitalist democrats believe their model is the means by which the greatest number will benefit, and contend that their opponents are dangerously wrong, they need to start acting like it.

It has been more than a generation since the West confronted a peer competitor that championed an alternative model to the kind of liberalized global economic integration that emerged after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. As such, our skill at championing a model of social organization unapologetically, without fear or favor, has atrophied. That’s an aptitude that we will have to re-learn, and soon. If populist nationalism is to be contained, it cannot be subsumed into greater liberalism and its malcontents mollified by social-welfare programs. The very idea of populist nationalism will have to be overwhelmed.

“Overwhelmed” sounds pretty serious. Phoenix Program only sought to “neutralize” its enemies.

As soon as advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce come to that conclusion, that necessary work can begin.

What exactly is Mr. Rothman proposing with his allusion to “necessary work”?

More anti-Trump propaganda?

More censorship of dissenters?

Death squads to throw Stephen Miller and Tucker Carlson from helicopters?

Nuclear strikes on rural Pennsylvania?

A response:

My query in reply:

I haven’t heard back, so let me ask another question:

You and what army, Noah?

Noah C. Rothman’s army:

Noah Rothman Army

 
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  1. The only sense in which there are so many “winners” is in the way that some third-world person can get three scoops of rice per day instead of two now that there is a sweatshop factory to work at nearby (I exaggerate for effect, of course). Yes, all those “winners” who saw a 50% increase in wealth thanks to neoliberalism can outvote the losers in America and Europe if they can just be brought over and given the right paperwork.

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  2. The morally obscene thing about Rothman’s suggestion is that he does not even bring up the most obvious sticking point: how does any of his program square with democracy?

    If populism is — what a surprise — popular with the voters of a country, how does it get undone?

    One surmises that it is democracy itself that Rothman is after.

    Who’s the real fascist here?

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    • Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim
    I forget what it was on, but for a research paper I read a bunch of books from the 30s that shared this same thesis: we have to remove democratic protections from those who don't believe in democracy, or we won't have democracy anymore.

    The paradoxical, sinister tone of Rothman reminded me of reading those after all these years. That was the beginning of the global rule of the clerisy, maybe this is its swan song.
    , @anon
    If populism is — what a surprise — popular with the voters of a country, how does it get undone?

    Pour their money into Gary Johnson's 2020 campaign, would be my guess.
    , @SMK
    Destroy democracy? How exactly? Just import a new electorate that will preclude not only the election of another white "populist" president but also the election of another Republican president. Democracy will survive but only left-wing anti-white Democrats, eventually all nonwhites, males and females, blacks and Mestizos, will be elected president.
    , @AnotherDad

    The morally obscene thing about Rothman’s suggestion is that he does not even bring up the most obvious sticking point: how does any of his program square with democracy?
     
    I'd think it's pretty clear by now, but there's very little democratic--or more precisely "republican"--feeling in a lot (most?) Jews. It's fine among Jews themselves--in Israel--but is not something truly "felt" when it comes to gentile nations they live in.

    What we've seen in the last 50 years of the Jewish rise and dominance in the US, is most decision making removed from republican governance. The "progressive" program is achieved pretty much entirely by have the courts dictating that the official elite opinion--formed in the heavily Jewish milieu (from academia to journalism)--as the law of the land. What isn't decided there is decided by the permanent bureaucracy. And both the courts and bureaucracy now have a resistant, anti-republican "we know better" attitude.

    I think American style republicanism--nation of self-reliant citizens, making decisions for their own--has very little appeal to this group. What they like--again if operating in gentile nations--is something more imperial with a central administration keeping any ethnic resentments in line, and having a meritocratic elite of smart people, the "experts" make policy.
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  3. With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

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    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    yeah, goys. don't you know it's only anti-gentilic wirters for commentary named noah rothman who are allowed to howl at you?
    , @anon
    Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Noah Rothman of Commentary magazine is Jewish?

    How was I supposed to know that?

    First I find out about Bill Kristol, and then Jennifer Rubin, and now this.

    It's so weird.

    You know, now that I realize this, I'm starting to wonder if maybe something is up with these people...
    , @David Davenport
    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    Sheriff "Scott Israel" is even more of a howl.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.
     
    Actually, we're well-informed anti-semites, thank you very much!
    , @TTSSYF
    Bolshevism does seem to be in the blood.
    , @Twinkie
    “Educated Jew”

    Why, are you implying that there are uneducated Jews? Anti-Semite, you!
    , @rabbbihighcomma

    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.
     
    Pre-emptive accusations of racism. Interesting that you know ahead of time you will be unable to respond with a counter-argument of any substance, despite your self-congratulatory educational claims. You can't say judeo-sceptical comments don't deserve a response - after all, you already have.

    Your tribal defensiveness aside, let's discuss what is always missing from these ethnocentric hate rants - an acknowledgement that Rothman's tribal/ethnic interests are central to his argument. It must be rather frustrating to constantly have to dance around that which is the writer's primary motivation. Even on the Jewish Daily Forward the writers hide their purpose in a vague sentence bracketed by finger's wagging at the goyim. Your comment reveals the stench of the lie. Rothman's genocidal hand rubbing shows his hand as well. You're both worried "the goyim know". You could "shut it down" and all flee to Israel, but you won't. So be it.
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    Isn’t this another example of “ein shanda fur die goyim”? And shouldn’t some of you take little Noah aside and tell him to stop writing this garbage? He is embarrassing his people and annoying the rest of us.
    , @ThreeCranes
    In the first place, you assume that "the ignorant anti-semites will howl", you don't know it (per Hume).

    And secondly, the "ignorant anti-semites" may well be part of a larger chorus of informed, fair-minded, thoughtful people.
    , @Rifleman

    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.
     
    If Jewish bigots howl first, howl back at them if you like. But remember they aren't all named -

    ... David Frum, Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, Robert Kagan, Harvey Weinstein, Thomas Friedman, Paul Krugman, George Soros/György Schwartz etal

    Some are actually named Brett Stephens and Madeline Albright.

    Same agenda and hatreds.

    Yet Never Forget the Mickey Kauses, Stephen Millers. They are also outnumbered and outgunned in the media but they are still fighting.

    And for all the rightful attention to Jewish ethnocentric bigotry and vindictiveness in all this remember the Koch brothers and the majority of "globalists" are not Jewish nor have they been inspired by a uniquely Jewish agenda.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.
     
    On the other hand, a name could hardly be more Christian than "Noel Ignatiev", or "Christmas, the son of Ignatius". But he's Jewish, too.
    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    The correct term is counter-semite, and we are very far from ignorant (though I know it pleases you and your kind to pretend that we are ignorant).
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  4. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    NYT:

    WASHINGTON — Former President Barack Obama is in advanced negotiations with Netflix to produce a series of high-profile shows that will provide him a global platform after his departure from the White House, according to people familiar with the discussions. …

    Mr. Obama has long expressed concerns about how the flow of information — and misinformation — has the power to shape public opinion. In the last several months, Mr. Obama has discussed with technology executives and wealthy investors the threats to American democracy from the manipulation of news.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/us/politics/obama-netflix-shows.html

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  5. What a douchebag.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    What a douchebag.
     
    Evil douchebag.

    His desire is to wreck nations and genocide peoples. Beyond mere douchebaggery.
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  6. Where is this “classical liberalism” it speaks of? Will it arrive after the buggy whip jobs come back?

    I’ll believe Noah Rothman and the rest actually believe this stuff after they successfully force it on their own tribe, in Israel. Until then, not so much.

    They should be hard-won, and only after a bitterly contested ordeal.

    I reciprocate this metric in spades. Make leftists fight tooth and nail for every little scrap they get.

    If capitalist democrats believe their model is the means by which the greatest number will benefit, and contend that their opponents are dangerously wrong, they need to start acting like it.

    Notice that the word “American” appears nowhere in or near the phrase, “the greatest number will benefit.” That’s not an accident. He thinks Americans are supposed to care what benefits non-Americans, at our expense.

    We don’t.

    Who’s got the winning message, again?

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    If capitalist democrats believe their model is the means by which the greatest number will benefit, and contend that their opponents are dangerously wrong, they need to start acting like it.
     
    Notice that the word “American” appears nowhere in or near the phrase, “the greatest number will benefit.” That’s not an accident. He thinks Americans are supposed to care what benefits non-Americans, at our expense.

    We don’t.

    Who’s got the winning message, again?
     
    It's just multicultural SJW blah to protect the very profitable outsourcing game - same as the Neoliberal "World is Flat" and the Ricardian (19th century) "Free trade benefits everyone" argument.
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  7. I’m one of those guys who finds the endless JQ obsession of the alt-right tiresome, but my goodness. It’s as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right.

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    • Agree: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @JSM
    I'm one of those gals who finds the endless accusations of JQ obsession by the enemies of the alt-right tiresome.



    Pro-White: Jews are overrepresented in the media and academia, and what they're doing is not good for White people.

    Jewish dissembler: Prove it.

    Pro-White: (gives several examples)

    Jewish dissembler: A couple anecdotes doesn't prove anything.

    Pro-White: (goes and does a couple hours' research, comes back with 287,329 examples)

    Jewish dissembler: OMG! WHY are you so obsessed with Jews? Are you afraid of Joooooooos under your bed and behind every tree? Are you insane? WHAT?
    , @Karl
    7 The Z Blog > but my goodness. It’s as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right


    it's not Likud's fault that iSteve spends all of his money and energy, reading periodicals like _Commentary_

    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz..... and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man's house. I see speechmaking

    The self-styled "white nationalist" blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family's life. Contrast that with their endless complaints about Jews of the world sending their kids to the Israel Defense Force to actually man checkpoints.

    The caliphate-ists have a better track record of ===action=== than the whites.

    If you were a dispassionate bookie, who would you place odds on to win the horse race?
    , @AnotherDad

    I’m one of those guys who finds the endless JQ obsession of the alt-right tiresome ...
     
    Z, you can find it tiresome--and yeah honestly (like the black dysfunction problem) it would be nice if we didn't have to deal with it.

    But the Jewish issue is real whether you like it or not. It is not the only issue. As i've pointed out the crisis--no doubt why we're in such a crisis--has many contributing factors:

    1) Jewish minoritarianism/anti-nationalism coupled with Jewish prominence and influence.

    2) The women problem--emotional, anti-rational thinking and misplaced nurturing.

    3) The big state problem--"diversity is the health of the state"--and big state (left) parties attempting to replace white voters with less competent more state dependent and reliable minority voters.

    4) Capitalism pushing open markets and grasping for cheap labor.

    5) Christian "brother's in Christ", "all God's children" universalism.

    and all in the context of

    0) White gentiles openness, high-trust, high-affective empathy, being great qualities for building society among ourselves, but leaving us too trusting and susceptible to allowing outsiders in and being exploited and abused by them.

    All of these are obvious problems contributing the crisis. (And maybe folks have some other clear factors.) Jewish ideology/behavior is far from the only factor in the West's crisis, but pretending it isn't a problem is wishful thinking.
    , @John Gruskos

    I’m one of those guys who finds the endless JQ obsession of the alt-right tiresome, but my goodness. It’s as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right.
     
    Z-Man is saying "Please don't kick my face, it prevents me from kissing your feet."
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  8. I used to think there was a committee of Jews who monitored outgoing mass media content to squash anything that had the potential to generate actual physical violence against themselves. Then again, right before Kristallnacht, there were calls in the Jewish press to declare war on Germany with global boycotts.

    These kinds of martial metaphors will yield bouts of feigned indignation from populist nationalists who freely and recklessly resort to such language themselves, but this, too, amounts to mere theatrics.

    I certainly do sincerely hope they never reach Level Zero, especially since, as RINOs like The Flake have been learning, you can have your voters or you can have your seat at David Brooks’ brunch counter, but not both.
    But if these are just martial metaphors then why does this article exist? I feel like he’s doing this pseudo-clever thing of calling for violence and then immediately pretending he wasn’t. Like how paid trolls talk about Trump voters being “emotional” and then demand to know exactly where anybody called anyone names.
    When was the last time this guy was homeless and slept in the open? What is the extent of his experience with firearms? What are the odds of this precious third-grade-haiku-collection-publisher implementing anything like this without a government to do it for him? Has this comfortable guy ever had to worry about answering to anyone for anything he’s ever said, other than in a meeting with an editor?

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    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @bomag

    What are the odds of this precious third-grade-haiku-collection-publisher implementing anything like this without a government to do it for him?
     
    Perfect.

    Noah Rothman wants a central gov't to impose his version of libertarianism on the rest of humanity; I'm sure he wouldn't complain too much about the show trials and gulags: eggs need to imagine the nice omelette in the future...
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  9. … But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …

    Yeah, like a gang rape.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Good one Ben.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Well put. Mind if I quote that?
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    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
    Holy XXX-L Batman. (((They))) really feel threatened here. They've spent 40 years touting the promises of Globalism: Americans will work higher up the food chain; American companies will find vast new markets in China; Getting more education will allow Americans to compete; Americans will export democracy to the world (at gunpoint). Now their credibility is shot and they're deathly afraid that the political opposition will enact some very common-sense measures that will quickly raise the standard of living for the average worker. So fatso here is pulling out the big guns. Through a mixture of bribery and blackmail they're preparing to marshall the remaining limp-wrist politicians to their side and marshall their remaining media and social-media assets to demonize the enemy. My gut feeling is that they are too old, too comfortable and complacent, and too rigid to win this battle against the forces of free men awake to the threats to their very existence. But like a wounded animal, they are dangerous, and will end up mauling someone before they expire.
    , @Anonymous
    It's as if "Bolshevism" and "classical liberalism" and "democracy" are just different masks to put on to espouse the same old hatreds.
    , @Altai
    One of the things that's interesting about the elite critique of Trump is how similar it is to campaigns against specific political leaders lined up for 'regime change'. Trump could be as corrupt as possible, a warmonger or undermine global warming agreements. They'd trade a leader far worse on all those things so long as the policies that make him popular, that grant him legitimacy in a democracy are changed. Just like they'd gladly replace Assad with a murderous insane Salafist, so long as said Salafist is less inclined or less able to stand up against Israeli aggression in the middle east.

    The Kagan clan as always being very subtle and not living up anyone's stereotypes at all. Words don't mean anything anymore, least of all 'democracy'. (I looks exhausting being one of them, how can he be so psychotic and so fat without being dead by now from a stroke?)
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  11. It has been more than a generation since the West confronted a peer competitor that championed an alternative model to the kind of liberalized global economic integration that emerged after the collapse of the Berlin Wall.

    He’s either ignorant of or dishonest about recent history. It’s like he’s not aware that Japan, China, South Korea, etc. exist and have alternative approaches to global economic integration (export freely; import selectively; eschew immigration).

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    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    When they are opposing Hungary, Slowakia, Poland etc. (The Baltics) they carefully omit to talk about of democratic Japan, Korea - and even Switzerland.
    I'm astonished again and again, that these omissions are not being noticed. It's a miracle!
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  12. I hope Rothman writes all the Democrat speeches from here on.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It's a reasonable wager the donor pipeline keeping Commentary afloat will eventually shut down. Better publications have disappeared in the last 20 years (Policy Review and The Public Interest to name two). He'll be faced with attempting to implement a career change, attempting to locate another foundation-funded gig (N.B. he doesn't have any quant skills; an outfit like AEI has only so many slots for publicists), or attempting to establish himself as a pet conservative at a liberal outlet (see Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, and, now, Max Boot).
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  13. With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    Noticing’s a bitch.

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  14. Ha, ha, ha.

    Great-grand-pappy the Bolshevik commissar would be proud…

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    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Who was his great-grandfather?
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  15. @candid_observer
    The morally obscene thing about Rothman's suggestion is that he does not even bring up the most obvious sticking point: how does any of his program square with democracy?

    If populism is -- what a surprise -- popular with the voters of a country, how does it get undone?

    One surmises that it is democracy itself that Rothman is after.

    Who's the real fascist here?

    I forget what it was on, but for a research paper I read a bunch of books from the 30s that shared this same thesis: we have to remove democratic protections from those who don’t believe in democracy, or we won’t have democracy anymore.

    The paradoxical, sinister tone of Rothman reminded me of reading those after all these years. That was the beginning of the global rule of the clerisy, maybe this is its swan song.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This is legitimate and necessary, but only in self-explanatorily extreme cases that cannot include large segments of the population (eg, Salafists, violent leftist revoutionaries). What is remarkable about Rothman's point is that he is calling for it on principle and not in terms of numbers or extremism. What is even more interesting is granting his premise and attaching a democratic or number criterion, which pragmatism would make inevitable, so the child in the painted cow skull points to the smaller, more easily removed faction, and not "all white people."
    Now, in this debate, what group of people would have grievously offended and threatened America, marked themselves by extreme ideology (so it's not just a matter of parentage or neighborhood, this is an extreme political group and not anything else), demonstrated particular extremism and destructive tendencies (like starting a war on false pretenses), and remained small enough in numbers that removing them would not be that big of a deal?
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  16. No! what a wonderful young man. I look forward to his opinions, here -no, don’t discourage/or overwhelm hilm, there, And, I he is that mainstream as far as thinkers and rulers…and, he is still, walking among the 13oth IQ guys – so bragging, but, whatever….Mommy is still at Zenith.

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  17. This screed reminds me of the passionate pamphlets and declarations Lenin and the Bolsheviks would put out in the heady days after the October Revolution, until Lenin died. Then, Stalin had all of them shot.

    [Edited: Darn it, Ron Unz beat me to it by a minute.]

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  18. Absolutely terrible writing. Could barely make it halfway through. But I did come across this hilarious gem:
    “The president and the porn star (and why are all porn actresses “stars”) . . .”
    Um, no Mr. Rothman, you and maybe some MSM idiots are the ones calling her a star. Like most normal people, I had never heard of Ms. Daniels until the MSM deemed her story-worthy. And it goes without saying that with the over-saturation of porn in the internet age, porn “stars” don’t really exist anymore. The last real porn star was probably Jenna Jameson in the 90’s.

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  19. Interestingly, Jews over hundred years told the world that they were the real inventors of social democracy, the welfare state and concern for the poor.
    If “Commentary” wants to finish this kind of propaganda, they are welcome.

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  20. By calling it a “modest proposal” isn’t he invoking Jonathan Swift and saying his proposal is a joke not meant to be taken seriously by anyone?

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    That's an interesting observation, but here Rothman seems to use that subtitle as a way to give an impression of restraint where there is none.

    Things are heating up, and people on both sides of this are trying not to cross a line.

    Noah Rothman is telling people on his side to fight, while he sits at his keyboard in the comfort and safety that was created by those he would have others destroy.

    BTW I just noticed that Robert Weissberg, someone worthy of respect, is using the same subtitle on an article just posted here. Swift's title is very popular.

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  21. there’s only one kind of firepower that matters in the end.

    what percentage of our real military is from red state goy cishet white male America? 99?

    to paraphrase the poet laureate of Obama’s America: men lie, women lie, pictures don’t.

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    My fighting amerimutts!
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Among Noah's tribe, they volunteer for the IDF.
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Good looking bunch of men, except for the guy in middle wearing the navy blue sweatshirt. Sigh. There's something about a man in uniform. Alas, they're probably all too young for me.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    to paraphrase the poet laureate of Obama’s America: men lie, women lie, pictures don’t.
     
    But men lie up, and women lie down.
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  22. @Ron Unz
    Ha, ha, ha.

    Great-grand-pappy the Bolshevik commissar would be proud...

    Who was his great-grandfather?

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    • Replies: @Lot
    I think it is just some generic MacDonald style blood libel, but if it is a specific claim of hereditary guilt is just as bad.
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  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not exactly quaking in my boots if the globalist avengers are keyboard chickens like Rothman, Max Boot, Gil del Toro, etc. It’s late in the day compared to Bader Meinhof standards of recreational violence. Not even Satanic crimelord Jeff Bezos would consider putting any of these soft-hands preppie meritocrats in charge of the Prime Death Squad

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    • Replies: @Lot
    "Prime Death Squad" huh? I could see a President Bezos in 2030 commanding a drone and robot army in a glorious Iranian invasion, with some of the drones controlled by an AI neural net and others by work-from-home independent contractors making minimum wage.


    Self driving cars we hear so much about have to compete with people making $13 an hour in $15,000 Corollas. Plus wrongful death lawsuits when they kill people. By contrast it costs us about a million a year to put a well trained infantryman on the ground in middle east wars. Getting death robot pricing under than amount seems a lot easier. Maybe they can even learn to live off the land like our elite forces train to do by having fuel sniffing dogs seek out local sources of liquid hydrocarbons.
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  24. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …

    Yes and No.

    In any given nation, globalism producer fewer winners(who win bigger than ever) and more losers.

    So, Rothman is clearly wrong…

    But he is right in this sense. Via open borders, the immigrant-invaders can be counted as winners, relatively speaking. Even though most Mexicans in the US and most Muslims in EU don’t rise very high — and often remain poorer than even white populist losers — , they are relative winners because life in the West is better than life back home.

    So, it’s not a case of MORE real winners over losers but dwindling number of real winners allied with relative winners against the native losers(who have less than native winners but generally more than newcomers, the relative winners).

    Most Mexicans in the US are not in the upper crust. They are not winners in the strictest sense of the word. But they ‘win’ in the sense that they have better lives in the US than in Mexico. So, they count as ‘winners of globalism’ too. Such little winners are very useful to Big Winners.

    Same thing in EU. Many Muslims and Africans are not winners in the sense of reaching elite status. Many remain mired in the lower classes. Many remain worse than working class whites.
    But they count as ‘winners of globalism’ since life in the West is better than back home.

    Rothman is a clever creature. He wants to use the Wretched of the Earth against white natives but pretends it’s an alliance of Winners. No, it’s globalist elites using dregs from the Third World to defeat white natives. Granted, some non-whites do pretty well, especially Asians, but Jews don’t feel threatened since Asians are such suckass dogs to status and privilege. They don’t have the personality and vision to take command.

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    "Asians are such suckass dogs to status and privilege. They don’t have the personality and vision to take command."

    Before Yan Shen jumps in, I'll say - China seem to be taking economic command.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …
     
    Rothman is deliberate vague and misleading about the issue of contention. I agree with Rothman and Trump's advisers on supporting free trade. That's a safe issue. And "liberal democracy" is quite vague, it means many different things...

    The big issue of contention is a more open-ish border model of mass immigration to the US and Europe. There, Rothman is in the wrong, and the "populists" are in the moral right.

    Yes, that does create more winners than losers, at least in the short term, but any type of forced redistribution does that. Simply stealing fro one and giving to many, creates more winners than losers, at least in the short term, but it's terrible and immoral.
    , @CCZ
    Deportations, uniting families!!

    USA TODAY: WISCONSIN RAPIDS, Wis. After more than 20 years in the United States, a Wisconsin man was deported to west Africa earlier this week, a federal agency confirmed.
    Buba Jabbi, 41, of Wisconsin Rapids was deported Tuesday and back in Gambia by Wednesday afternoon, according to a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement statement issued Wednesday.
    Jabbi had entered the U.S. in 1995 and overstayed his visa. He was detained Feb. 15 after checking in with federal authorities as he had been directed and was set for deportation based on a judge's order from 2010.

    If necessary, Jabbi's wife, Katrina Jabbi, a native of Wisconsin Rapids, said she would move her family almost 5,000 miles to Gambia, a nation of about 2 million people that is almost twice the size of Delaware, to be with her husband.

    Buba Jabbi still has family in Gambia. Despite being separated from him, Katrina Jabbi said she is happy her husband will be able to see his parents for the first time in more than two decades.
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  25. @Educated Jew
    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    yeah, goys. don’t you know it’s only anti-gentilic wirters for commentary named noah rothman who are allowed to howl at you?

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  26. If we don’t drag off hillbilly kulaks to a Nevada Gulag right now, then Jewish globalists will be chased up and down Santa Monica Boulevard by Yankee Cossacks! Ignoring the danger is not who we are but not everyone gets to be Who We Are.

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    ...They fear it so much they are willing to do anything to prevent it, which will in turn cause it to happen...These people NEVER learn.
    , @sayless
    San Fernando, may I steal this, "not everyone gets to be Who We Are."

    Well said.
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  27. Humility and passivity do not well serve those who truly believe the liberal capitalist order hammered out after the Second World War is of the greatest benefit to the greatest number.

    They’re wrong on their own terms, of course. Destroying progress — i.e., destroying the productive and the things they have produced — benefits no one in the long term.

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  28. A generation ago, and possibly right up to 2008, I would have agreed that liberalism produced more winners than losers. But recently all the winning seems to be done by billionaires only, so something has gone wrong.

    Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I hadn’t realised that Rothman was quite such an idiot.

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  29. This is mostly in response to the tariffs. The same True Conservatives (who couldn’t conserve anything), who were squeeing at Romney and Ryan’s “We Built It” (but who couldn’t build an electoral victory) are back to figuring that what the voters in the Upper Midwest states that put Trump over the top need is just some more of that good old-time free-trade religion. Never mind that he figured out how to win and they didn’t, or that the major costs of, say, building a car don’t come from the bulk price of steel.

    Seriously, though, I have to wonder if there’s ever been a political party or movement that is this wedded to the triumph of an abstract economic idea over reality (the only one I can think of are the Communists, a comparison True Cons would have to hate). The US did build up its early industries with tariffs in the 19th century. Normally, they probably should just be a policy, like any other that can be adjusted and set in the national interest. Is there something I’m missing here? Do the Koch brothers have big positions that rely on cheap Chinese steel or something?

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    The GOPe knows that the grassroots are in favor of protectionism. There's no constituency for Ryanism. Trump's economic nationalism, if enacted, could change the party in a fundamental way. They thought that Trump's agenda left with Bannon but now that it's back in full force they're once again revealing their treacherous nature. Trump needs to attack all those bastards.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    the Koch brothers have big positions that rely on cheap Chinese steel or something?
     
    The Koch Brothers are ideologues. They have so much money that they have no skin the the game. Whatever happens they are as rich as Croesus and have minions to attend not to just their needs and wants, but their whims too. This is sport for them. Libertarian ideology is multi-dimensionally defective, but it comforts them because it endorses the choices they have made.

    They are rich now, but they will swim in the lake.
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  30. … and possibly a few not-so-ignorant anti-Semites.

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  31. Related:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/populism-challenge-options-confront-defeat-for-liberals-technocrats/

    Finally, you could determine that the stakes are existential and dig in for a ferocious battle. If you believe that populism and nationalism will, if unimpeded, vitiate your democracy, destroy your freedom to express your views, fill your society with an irrational fear of foreigners, and make your country an authoritarian nightmare, you could . . . opt to do all those nasty things on behalf of liberalism. Don’t like the democratic verdict? Ignore it. Or delegitimize it as the product of nefarious Russian interference. Think the populists are leveraging digital platforms to advance their agenda? Make legal-sounding threats until Silicon Valley transforms itself into the de facto speech police and ministry of propaganda for the liberal order. Encourage your most unstable people in utter hysteria and accept that a few of them may try to shoot congressman or assault people in the streets on behalf of the liberal world order. Make memes celebrating them.

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  32. Who does Rothman think is going to do the “wet work” for him this time? At least the Bolsheviks had impressive numbers of Balts, Caucasians and various other tough, smart white ethnics on their side.

    What do their equivalents in the US have? Mexicans and blacks? Private school antifa white kids whose fathers would sacrifice a testicle to keep out of harm’s way?

    Maybe this explains Masha Gessen’s love of Chechens. But there must be another explanation for her support for bringing in the world’s most murderous white people, right?

    These types are why we need to provide both moral and material support to Jews like this guy.

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    Woodrow Wilson ?
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  33. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The very idea of populist nationalism will have to be overwhelmed. As soon as advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce come to that conclusion, that necessary work can begin.

    Hey, keep talking like that and they should just vanish like the morning fog. I recommend spreading your message as far and as loudly as you can, Mr Rothman.

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  34. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Just for fun, I decided to look up the Alexa ranking for commentarymagazine.com. Turns out, it’s the 28,790th most popular site in the United States.

    For comparison’s sake, unz.com is the 12,297th most popular in the United States.

    So, if you’ve ever felt like a weirdo or an outcast for hanging out here at iSteve, take heart. At least you’re not a Commentary reader.

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  35. Rothman is only in favor of classical liberalism when he is in the minority in the diaspora.

    Don’t expect him to advocate classical liberalism for Israel, which would necessarily mean that Israel moves from an ethnocracy to a genuine democracy where there is no discrimination on religious or ethnic grounds on immigration policy.

    Why are so few people pointing out the hypocrisy of these Jews in the mainstream press?

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    Don’t expect him to advocate classical liberalism for Israel, which would necessarily mean that Israel moves from an ethnocracy to a genuine democracy where there is no discrimination on religious or ethnic grounds on immigration policy.
     
    If you read a little Hebrew - some media there is writing more sympathetic to Trump immigration policy than media in America.

    https://mida.org.il/2018/03/04/%D7%94%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C-%D7%92%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%A8-%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9-%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%94%D7%91-%D7%94%D7%96/

    , @Lot
    "Classical" or 19th century liberalism is associated with opposition to slavery, that era's method of keeping down wages by importing a compliant nonwhite labor force. And while the plans never fully got off the ground, there was at least a general shared elite liberal agreement toward the idea sending the freedman to Africa and eugenics for the rest of the population.

    We should not let George Mason U's various open borders aspie libertarians claim the legacy of the prevailing philosophy of the peak of Western Civilization.
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  36. At Unz

    Call them low firepower-bad

    Call them low energy-good

    Whatever

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  37. @Thomas
    This is mostly in response to the tariffs. The same True Conservatives (who couldn't conserve anything), who were squeeing at Romney and Ryan's "We Built It" (but who couldn't build an electoral victory) are back to figuring that what the voters in the Upper Midwest states that put Trump over the top need is just some more of that good old-time free-trade religion. Never mind that he figured out how to win and they didn't, or that the major costs of, say, building a car don't come from the bulk price of steel.

    Seriously, though, I have to wonder if there's ever been a political party or movement that is this wedded to the triumph of an abstract economic idea over reality (the only one I can think of are the Communists, a comparison True Cons would have to hate). The US did build up its early industries with tariffs in the 19th century. Normally, they probably should just be a policy, like any other that can be adjusted and set in the national interest. Is there something I'm missing here? Do the Koch brothers have big positions that rely on cheap Chinese steel or something?

    The GOPe knows that the grassroots are in favor of protectionism. There’s no constituency for Ryanism. Trump’s economic nationalism, if enacted, could change the party in a fundamental way. They thought that Trump’s agenda left with Bannon but now that it’s back in full force they’re once again revealing their treacherous nature. Trump needs to attack all those bastards.

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    The majority of Americans opposed NAFTA in 1993, but it passed anyway. I remember listening to Rush Limbaugh bloviating in favor of it.
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  38. Rothman writes:

    Populist attacks on the Western-led international order don’t begin and end with free trade; they are aimed at the fundamental assumptions upon which the classically liberal democratic ideal is based. As Mounk concluded, it is, thus, necessary to contain this ideological impulse’s most dangerous excesses. He recommended subversion and assimilation, but there is another approach that is based on a rational hard-power calculation. Classical liberalism’s winners vastly outnumber its losers, and it is the populist nationalist alternative that cannot be accommodated. But it can, and therefore should, be defeated.

    Socialists believe the goodness of socialism comes from socialism and not, say: Swedes or Danes.

    Free trade capitalists believe the goodness of free markets comes from free trade and not say: common markets – as well as the pro-social groups of people who have freely associated due to affirmation of and ascent to – common rules, and culture – and who can freely dis-associate from those who don’t abide their rules, don’t honor their culture, and “game” systems.

    Both of course are wrong, but free trade capitalists are more wrong since the goodness of markets comes from free or otherwise common markets, not free trade – where free markets have “common” rules – common to everyone to associate and disassociate, and to capital to move, or stay – while free trade lets capital move and stay – but threatens the “wrong” association on the part of laborers with law, backed by the the muzzle of a gun.

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    Both of course are wrong,
     
    You were doing well. But then:

    but free trade capitalists are more wrong since the goodness of markets comes from free or otherwise common markets, not free trade – where free markets have “common” rules
     
    You threw out the baby with the bathwater.

    Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston S. Churchill
     
    Keep your red diaper to yourself. We don't need a turgid, gangrene, overweening state prescribing what we do. Haven't you had enough rule by bureaucrats?

    Your cure is worse than the disease.
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  39. Rothman just retweeted Max Boot cattily complaining that Trump is being “snookered” by those wily Koreans (because he’s not smart enough to listen to Max Boot, or the various Korea “experts” he name checks that I assume are friends of his). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/03/08/north-korea-and-south-korea-snooker-trump/

    You know what I just realized? The neocons have been reduced to throwing tantrums in print complaining that no one is listening to them anymore. That must hurt, for people who have invested so much into an identity as well-cultured and well-cultivated experts who are entitled to be listened to.

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  40. @candid_observer
    The morally obscene thing about Rothman's suggestion is that he does not even bring up the most obvious sticking point: how does any of his program square with democracy?

    If populism is -- what a surprise -- popular with the voters of a country, how does it get undone?

    One surmises that it is democracy itself that Rothman is after.

    Who's the real fascist here?

    If populism is — what a surprise — popular with the voters of a country, how does it get undone?

    Pour their money into Gary Johnson’s 2020 campaign, would be my guess.

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  41. It’s Boeing vs Walmart–Round 2.

    The hysteria is what happens when they lose. If free trade was a winning idea–it wouldn’t be so hard to defend.

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  42. Oy vey! There’s nothing wrong with being Jewish, but some Jews certainly seem to have something wrong with their heads.

    I think my favorite Jewish celebrity was Rodney Dangerfield. Rodney would never have gone in for this kind of nonsense.

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    And likewise, Jackie Mason.
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  43. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Educated Jew
    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Noah Rothman of Commentary magazine is Jewish?

    How was I supposed to know that?

    First I find out about Bill Kristol, and then Jennifer Rubin, and now this.

    It’s so weird.

    You know, now that I realize this, I’m starting to wonder if maybe something is up with these people…

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  44. “…advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce…”

    Hmm… A new definition of pirates.

    Here it is, the nationless flag of unfettered freedom and commerce:

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  45. I don’t really know what to call people like this. “Globalist” seems like such a bland term. It doesn’t seem to begin to articulate the scope of his ideological fervor.

    To me, this guy and others like him are just neo-communists. They have essentially the same beliefs, but realized there is more profit in a different business plan. Not a word that really rolls off the tongue though.

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    How about Trotskyites. They do, after all, seek a 'worldwide revolution' rather than Stalin's much humbler 'socialism in one country'.
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  46. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …

    Note the lack of quantification here. Perhaps the writer is wrong about winners and losers, in which case he is an enemy. Perhaps, the writer is right, but what if the benefits are exclusive to everyone between the Rio Grande south to Rio de Janeiro, plus the plutocrats? If true, then the writer is… an enemy. Suppose that Americans were net beneficiaries? Would the writer need to make the argument at all?

    I think we can categorize this nitwit as an enemy!

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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Why don’t we just defeat them?”

    Because you have no leaders. The outlook you, Mr. Rothman, are espousing ends up producing petty hedonist conformists. It might seem that you don’t need actual leaders so long as the machinery is working, but the machinery starts to break once you start letting the diversity hires push the buttons.

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  48. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/gmfus/status/971859572246941698

    Holy XXX-L Batman. (((They))) really feel threatened here. They’ve spent 40 years touting the promises of Globalism: Americans will work higher up the food chain; American companies will find vast new markets in China; Getting more education will allow Americans to compete; Americans will export democracy to the world (at gunpoint). Now their credibility is shot and they’re deathly afraid that the political opposition will enact some very common-sense measures that will quickly raise the standard of living for the average worker. So fatso here is pulling out the big guns. Through a mixture of bribery and blackmail they’re preparing to marshall the remaining limp-wrist politicians to their side and marshall their remaining media and social-media assets to demonize the enemy. My gut feeling is that they are too old, too comfortable and complacent, and too rigid to win this battle against the forces of free men awake to the threats to their very existence. But like a wounded animal, they are dangerous, and will end up mauling someone before they expire.

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    This deserves a gold box, long gone but lamented:

    My gut feeling is that they are too old, too comfortable and complacent, and too rigid to win this battle against the forces of free men awake to the threats to their very existence. But like a wounded animal, they are dangerous, and will end up mauling someone before they expire.
    , @wrd9
    Here's something they can emulate from China, a blacklisting of citizens who don't adhere to what the govt expects from its citizens. Of course, this would never happen under Trump, however, I can see this blacklisting happening under the private sector pushed by the SJWs, in fact, some of it is already implemented like the demonetization with YouTube. It would be easy enough for the credit companies to join forces with Silicon Valley and create blacklists that could prevent Bad Whites from buying plane tickets, renting cars, getting loans, etc...

    https://www.marketplace.org/2018/02/13/world/social-credit-score-china-blacklisted
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  49. Now if we just didn’t have those pesky little things called nations!

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  50. @Thomas
    This is mostly in response to the tariffs. The same True Conservatives (who couldn't conserve anything), who were squeeing at Romney and Ryan's "We Built It" (but who couldn't build an electoral victory) are back to figuring that what the voters in the Upper Midwest states that put Trump over the top need is just some more of that good old-time free-trade religion. Never mind that he figured out how to win and they didn't, or that the major costs of, say, building a car don't come from the bulk price of steel.

    Seriously, though, I have to wonder if there's ever been a political party or movement that is this wedded to the triumph of an abstract economic idea over reality (the only one I can think of are the Communists, a comparison True Cons would have to hate). The US did build up its early industries with tariffs in the 19th century. Normally, they probably should just be a policy, like any other that can be adjusted and set in the national interest. Is there something I'm missing here? Do the Koch brothers have big positions that rely on cheap Chinese steel or something?

    the Koch brothers have big positions that rely on cheap Chinese steel or something?

    The Koch Brothers are ideologues. They have so much money that they have no skin the the game. Whatever happens they are as rich as Croesus and have minions to attend not to just their needs and wants, but their whims too. This is sport for them. Libertarian ideology is multi-dimensionally defective, but it comforts them because it endorses the choices they have made.

    They are rich now, but they will swim in the lake.

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  51. I HATE EVERYBODY..DOES THAT COUNT?

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  52. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Rothman writes:

    Populist attacks on the Western-led international order don’t begin and end with free trade; they are aimed at the fundamental assumptions upon which the classically liberal democratic ideal is based. As Mounk concluded, it is, thus, necessary to contain this ideological impulse’s most dangerous excesses. He recommended subversion and assimilation, but there is another approach that is based on a rational hard-power calculation. Classical liberalism’s winners vastly outnumber its losers, and it is the populist nationalist alternative that cannot be accommodated. But it can, and therefore should, be defeated.
     
    Socialists believe the goodness of socialism comes from socialism and not, say: Swedes or Danes.

    Free trade capitalists believe the goodness of free markets comes from free trade and not say: common markets - as well as the pro-social groups of people who have freely associated due to affirmation of and ascent to - common rules, and culture - and who can freely dis-associate from those who don't abide their rules, don't honor their culture, and "game" systems.

    Both of course are wrong, but free trade capitalists are more wrong since the goodness of markets comes from free or otherwise common markets, not free trade - where free markets have "common" rules - common to everyone to associate and disassociate, and to capital to move, or stay - while free trade lets capital move and stay - but threatens the "wrong" association on the part of laborers with law, backed by the the muzzle of a gun.

    Both of course are wrong,

    You were doing well. But then:

    but free trade capitalists are more wrong since the goodness of markets comes from free or otherwise common markets, not free trade – where free markets have “common” rules

    You threw out the baby with the bathwater.

    Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. — Winston S. Churchill

    Keep your red diaper to yourself. We don’t need a turgid, gangrene, overweening state prescribing what we do. Haven’t you had enough rule by bureaucrats?

    Your cure is worse than the disease.

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  53. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/gmfus/status/971859572246941698

    It’s as if “Bolshevism” and “classical liberalism” and “democracy” are just different masks to put on to espouse the same old hatreds.

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    Hey--you catch on fast!
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  54. @Thulean Friend
    Rothman is only in favor of classical liberalism when he is in the minority in the diaspora.

    Don't expect him to advocate classical liberalism for Israel, which would necessarily mean that Israel moves from an ethnocracy to a genuine democracy where there is no discrimination on religious or ethnic grounds on immigration policy.

    Why are so few people pointing out the hypocrisy of these Jews in the mainstream press?

    Don’t expect him to advocate classical liberalism for Israel, which would necessarily mean that Israel moves from an ethnocracy to a genuine democracy where there is no discrimination on religious or ethnic grounds on immigration policy.

    If you read a little Hebrew – some media there is writing more sympathetic to Trump immigration policy than media in America.

    https://mida.org.il/2018/03/04/%D7%94%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C-%D7%92%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%A8-%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9-%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%94%D7%91-%D7%94%D7%96/

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    That's not the point. It's great that some Israelis are supportive of Trump. The point is that those opposed to Trumpism on ideological grounds never apply the same arguments to Israel.
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  55. I thought that voting was the battlefield that matters in civilized modern westernized nations… And if the “populists” are winning elections, then that means there are more of them than of the other guys.

    Not complicated, but evidently too complicated for Mr. Rothman.

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    Rothman's exhortation contains the tacit assumption that there is a battlefield of ideas filled with minds that can be changed.

    Voters are manipulable, and he wants (others) to steer them even if that requires fear and the implied threat of violence.

    , @Tex
    I don't think it's too complicated for Rothman. He just doesn't like the outcome. Any outcome he doesn't like, he just decrees it isn't democratic.

    Mental gymnastics can be quite satisfying.
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  56. @ben tillman

    … But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …
     
    Yeah, like a gang rape.

    Good one Ben.

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  57. The comments on that tweet are pretty harsh. If I were Jewish, I might start thinking about how hard I wanna push this kind of thing.

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  58. @Dave Pinsen
    Who was his great-grandfather?

    I think it is just some generic MacDonald style blood libel, but if it is a specific claim of hereditary guilt is just as bad.

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    It's mean indeed but Noah R. advocates WWII against Western middle/underclass, that's not nothing.
    , @Roderick Spode

    blood libel
     
    Surely you know that Unz himself was bar-mitzvahed once upon a time.
    , @bartok

    if it is a specific claim of hereditary guilt is just as bad
     
    If a red-diaper great-grand-baby becomes a neocon (Trotskyist for White Genocide) then it's his own decision to wear that mantle.
    , @Anonymous
    This is an HBD site, isn't it? Rather than "blood libel" or "hereditary guilt", wouldn't it just be an HBD view that behavioral traits tend to run in families?
    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    "I think it is just some generic MacDonald style blood libel"

    What Professor MacDonald does is called science. It may be instructive for you to actually read his work, instead of droning on and on about this tired old 'blood libel' nonsense.
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  59. @Polynices
    By calling it a “modest proposal” isn’t he invoking Jonathan Swift and saying his proposal is a joke not meant to be taken seriously by anyone?

    That’s an interesting observation, but here Rothman seems to use that subtitle as a way to give an impression of restraint where there is none.

    Things are heating up, and people on both sides of this are trying not to cross a line.

    Noah Rothman is telling people on his side to fight, while he sits at his keyboard in the comfort and safety that was created by those he would have others destroy.

    BTW I just noticed that Robert Weissberg, someone worthy of respect, is using the same subtitle on an article just posted here. Swift’s title is very popular.

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  60. If you want a vision of Classical Liberalism, imagine a boot stamping on a human face……….forever.

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  61. @Lot
    I think it is just some generic MacDonald style blood libel, but if it is a specific claim of hereditary guilt is just as bad.

    It’s mean indeed but Noah R. advocates WWII against Western middle/underclass, that’s not nothing.

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  62. “…just neo-communists …Not a word that really rolls off the tongue though.”

    I dunno, “neo-commie” works pretty good, rhymes with “mommy!”

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  63. @ben tillman

    … But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …
     
    Yeah, like a gang rape.

    Well put. Mind if I quote that?

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    It's all fair game -- and fair use.
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  64. In short, Rothman wants a final solution to the goy question

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  65. Lot says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm not exactly quaking in my boots if the globalist avengers are keyboard chickens like Rothman, Max Boot, Gil del Toro, etc. It's late in the day compared to Bader Meinhof standards of recreational violence. Not even Satanic crimelord Jeff Bezos would consider putting any of these soft-hands preppie meritocrats in charge of the Prime Death Squad

    “Prime Death Squad” huh? I could see a President Bezos in 2030 commanding a drone and robot army in a glorious Iranian invasion, with some of the drones controlled by an AI neural net and others by work-from-home independent contractors making minimum wage.

    Self driving cars we hear so much about have to compete with people making $13 an hour in $15,000 Corollas. Plus wrongful death lawsuits when they kill people. By contrast it costs us about a million a year to put a well trained infantryman on the ground in middle east wars. Getting death robot pricing under than amount seems a lot easier. Maybe they can even learn to live off the land like our elite forces train to do by having fuel sniffing dogs seek out local sources of liquid hydrocarbons.

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    Self driving cars we hear so much about have to compete with people making $13 an hour in $15,000 Corollas. Plus wrongful death lawsuits when they kill people. By contrast it costs us about a million a year to put a well trained infantryman on the ground in middle east wars. Getting death robot pricing under than amount seems a lot easier. Maybe they can even learn to live off the land like our elite forces train to do by having fuel sniffing dogs seek out local sources of liquid hydrocarbons.
     
    Or maybe America could just stop f**king around in the middle-east, and people who want to make war on Iran could go fight their own goddamned wars themselves.
    , @Yak-15
    Don’t worry, robots can also run on organic matter. If it’s broken down and decaying, even better.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energetically_Autonomous_Tactical_Robot

    Eating. People.
    , @BenKenobi

    President Bezos in 2030 commanding a drone and robot army in a glorious Iranian invasion
     
    Pretty much the plot of Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare. With Kevin Spacey as the big bad!
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  66. Now now… Rothman merely wants to have a “conversation” in which people are being deplatformed if not fearful of losing their livelihood if they argue against his side of the “conversation”.

    The fact that this kind of “conversation” will likely spawn a civil war and bring out _real_ firepower can’t be laid at his doorstep.

    By the way, when Nixon’s affirmative action civil servants have reloated enough Democrat voters from deep blue states to Trump’s swing states and forever closed the Electoral College to the enemies of Jews like Rothman — do keep in mind that the resulting civil war will consist largely of small groups of disorganized “malcontent losers” who built the US’s infrastructure. I wonder how many people will die in the urban areas when that infrastructure ceases to function? Certainly Jews like Rothman won’t have much to worry about as they’ll be long gone — ensconced safely in one of the many locales that are sure to welcome them and their money.

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  67. 1/ The populists are outnumbered (interestingly nobody here seems to actively dispute that). They could have called themselves the popular, but their many defeats would have caused a problem.

    1908 GOP slogan: Vote for Taft now. You can always vote for Bryan later.

    2/ ‘The greatest good for the greatest number’. Puzzled (well not really) that the names Bentham, J.S .Mill, or Hume haven’t been mentioned.

    3/ A lot of poeple here have had good things to say about Mencken. Of course when Rothman says the same things people revesrse their stands. I wonder why?

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-boob-dictionary-20160220-story.html

    4/ At Unz.com it’s prettty automatic: If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it. What ‘interesting perspectives’?

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    2/ ‘The greatest good for the greatest number’. Puzzled (well not really) that the names Bentham, J.S .Mill, or Hume haven’t been mentioned.
     
    So. Should I care what they thought? I really don't. Did they also advocate grinding into the dirt those people who are on "the wrong side of history"?

    3/ A lot of poeple here have had good things to say about Mencken.
     
    A lot of people don't.

    Of course when Rothman says the same things people revesrse their stands. I wonder why?
     
    Because Rothman is a slimy douche?

    4/ At Unz.com it’s prettty automatic: If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it. What ‘interesting perspectives’
     
    As automatic as the sort of stuff you post?
    , @Daniel Williams

    If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it.
     
    "We should do something about our enemies" means different things depending on whether a Jew or a Christian is speaking.
    , @S. Anonyia
    As to point 4 it’s just a reflexive reaction to the fact that around half of our pundits, media personalities, liberal arts professors and billionaires etc are Jewish, meaning they are massively overrepresented among the nations movers and shakers. Most people on here are not anti Semitic in the traditional sense, just frustrated by this fact.

    People have also pointed out the overrepresentation of Mormons in certain fields (spooks) as well.
    , @sayless
    "good things to say about Mencken"

    Alright, here's another.

    Mencken loved the human kind so much, that he really hated it for being so frigging irrational. Like Jonathan Swift! --since our own Noah is referencing him.

    Have you met anyone like that? Christopher Hitchens comes to mind too.

    Obscenity, hatred. Love gone haywire.

    Swift's Epitaph (Yeats):

    Swift has sailed into his rest
    Savage indignation there
    No more can lacerate his breast
    Imitate him if you dare
    World-Besotted traveler, he
    Loved human liberty

    But I don't think that Noah is tormented by love for the human kind.

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  68. @Lot
    I think it is just some generic MacDonald style blood libel, but if it is a specific claim of hereditary guilt is just as bad.

    blood libel

    Surely you know that Unz himself was bar-mitzvahed once upon a time.

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    Yes. I also know enthnomasochism is common in the USA.
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  69. @Educated Jew
    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    Sheriff “Scott Israel” is even more of a howl.

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  70. Lot says:
    @Thulean Friend
    Rothman is only in favor of classical liberalism when he is in the minority in the diaspora.

    Don't expect him to advocate classical liberalism for Israel, which would necessarily mean that Israel moves from an ethnocracy to a genuine democracy where there is no discrimination on religious or ethnic grounds on immigration policy.

    Why are so few people pointing out the hypocrisy of these Jews in the mainstream press?

    “Classical” or 19th century liberalism is associated with opposition to slavery, that era’s method of keeping down wages by importing a compliant nonwhite labor force. And while the plans never fully got off the ground, there was at least a general shared elite liberal agreement toward the idea sending the freedman to Africa and eugenics for the rest of the population.

    We should not let George Mason U’s various open borders aspie libertarians claim the legacy of the prevailing philosophy of the peak of Western Civilization.

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    Classical liberalism was all about social compacts, parliamentarianism, and laissez faire economics. It had nothing to do with opposing slavery. All the Founding (and slave owning) Fathers were classical liberals.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Were the abolitionists against immigration? Because if not, I doubt they were motivated by the goal of raising (non-slave) workers' wages. IIRC, their goals were moral (against slavery) and economic (in favor of tariffs which protected northern industry but would have made southern cotton less competitive).
    , @Bill

    We should not let George Mason U’s various open borders aspie libertarians claim the legacy of the prevailing philosophy of the peak of Western Civilization.
     
    No worries. Bryan Caplan won't be claiming the mantle of Catholic Monarchy any time soon.
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  71. Isn’t the idea of a strictly Jewish state kinda populist? What’s Mr. Rothman’s opinion on that?

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    69 E_plorable > a strictly Jewish state kinda populist?


    understood that you were making a point using a rhetorical device

    however comma, allow me to mention that Netanyahu authorized the import of TWO Tagalog-speaking Roman Catholic priests, to service the Filipino community here.

    They are well-paid, too. At least compared to how much money they'd have in their pocket if they were still in Cagayan de Oro.
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  72. @Antlitz Grollheim
    I forget what it was on, but for a research paper I read a bunch of books from the 30s that shared this same thesis: we have to remove democratic protections from those who don't believe in democracy, or we won't have democracy anymore.

    The paradoxical, sinister tone of Rothman reminded me of reading those after all these years. That was the beginning of the global rule of the clerisy, maybe this is its swan song.

    This is legitimate and necessary, but only in self-explanatorily extreme cases that cannot include large segments of the population (eg, Salafists, violent leftist revoutionaries). What is remarkable about Rothman’s point is that he is calling for it on principle and not in terms of numbers or extremism. What is even more interesting is granting his premise and attaching a democratic or number criterion, which pragmatism would make inevitable, so the child in the painted cow skull points to the smaller, more easily removed faction, and not “all white people.”
    Now, in this debate, what group of people would have grievously offended and threatened America, marked themselves by extreme ideology (so it’s not just a matter of parentage or neighborhood, this is an extreme political group and not anything else), demonstrated particular extremism and destructive tendencies (like starting a war on false pretenses), and remained small enough in numbers that removing them would not be that big of a deal?

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  73. @Lot
    "Classical" or 19th century liberalism is associated with opposition to slavery, that era's method of keeping down wages by importing a compliant nonwhite labor force. And while the plans never fully got off the ground, there was at least a general shared elite liberal agreement toward the idea sending the freedman to Africa and eugenics for the rest of the population.

    We should not let George Mason U's various open borders aspie libertarians claim the legacy of the prevailing philosophy of the peak of Western Civilization.

    Classical liberalism was all about social compacts, parliamentarianism, and laissez faire economics. It had nothing to do with opposing slavery. All the Founding (and slave owning) Fathers were classical liberals.

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    Thank you for pointing this out. I am surprised no one else correctly linked Classical Liberalism to the Founders.
    , @Verymuchalive

    Classical liberalism was all about social compacts, parliamentarianism, and laissez faire economics. It had nothing to do with opposing slavery. All the Founding (and slave owning) Fathers were classical liberals.

     

    " Classical Liberalism " is a post-WWII term applied to often quite disparate 18th and 19th Century thinkers. It is not a helpful term.
    For example, you describe the Founding Fathers as being in favour of laissez faire. This isn't true. Almost without exception, they favoured import tariffs to protect American industry and commerce. The same is true of Adam Smith, who for the last 10 years of his life was one of His Majesty's Commissioners of Customs. Some proponent of laissez faire ! Even John Stuart Mill, late in life, recanted his enthusiasm for Free Trade as he could see the harm it was doing to British Industry.
    Classical Liberalism is a weasel term devised by modern "Libertarians" and others. The aim is to claim an historical continuity which just doesn't exist. Most "Libertarians" are very keen on ideas like Free Trade - Globalism as it is now called - and want to claim that important figures like Smith supported it when they patently didn't.
    You are right about slavery, though. Views on slavery did not follow " Party" lines. This can be instanced by the first abolitions of the modern age., Crimea 1783 and St Helena 1795. The first was at the behest of the greatest autocrat of the age., Catherine the Great. The second at the behest of the world's most powerful single organisation, the Royal Navy. Meanwhile, many Liberals continued to argue the merits of slavery well into the second half of the C19th.
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  74. Is this what he looks like? He looks fifteen years old?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/podcasts/qa/qa-noah-rothman/

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  75. @anony-mouse
    1/ The populists are outnumbered (interestingly nobody here seems to actively dispute that). They could have called themselves the popular, but their many defeats would have caused a problem.

    1908 GOP slogan: Vote for Taft now. You can always vote for Bryan later.

    2/ 'The greatest good for the greatest number'. Puzzled (well not really) that the names Bentham, J.S .Mill, or Hume haven't been mentioned.

    3/ A lot of poeple here have had good things to say about Mencken. Of course when Rothman says the same things people revesrse their stands. I wonder why?

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-boob-dictionary-20160220-story.html

    4/ At Unz.com it's prettty automatic: If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it. What 'interesting perspectives'?

    2/ ‘The greatest good for the greatest number’. Puzzled (well not really) that the names Bentham, J.S .Mill, or Hume haven’t been mentioned.

    So. Should I care what they thought? I really don’t. Did they also advocate grinding into the dirt those people who are on “the wrong side of history”?

    3/ A lot of poeple here have had good things to say about Mencken.

    A lot of people don’t.

    Of course when Rothman says the same things people revesrse their stands. I wonder why?

    Because Rothman is a slimy douche?

    4/ At Unz.com it’s prettty automatic: If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it. What ‘interesting perspectives’

    As automatic as the sort of stuff you post?

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    Can you point to anything where if a Jew said it I had one opinion and if a Gentile said it I had another?

    As in: Low firepower-bad. Low energy-good.
    , @J.Ross
    Trolls get paid by the reply.
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  76. Noah Rothman and others certainly have advocated just the open borders globalism and mass Rapefugees for Israel. Sarah Silverman’s Rabbi Sister did so until a bunch of Israeli Deplorables sent the African rabble to her house with flyers implying her support for taking them in.

    I thought it hilarious.

    So its not a Jewish thing, its a class thing. Its just that Jewish rich dudes are over-represented in Media and Finance (and totally absent in the Oil business, Aerospace, Steel, and Agribusiness which by the way are equally pozzed). You can predict utterly someone’s views outside of Trump himself (but not his idiot daughter or son in law) by wealth, education, and background.

    Now to the substance of Rothman’s urgings. I won’t dignify them as arguments. Machiavelli argued and has been proven right over and over again that it is better to kill someone than to simply make them poor. Rothman’s policies already enacted have made millions of ordinary White Americans and Europeans poorer, so as to a make a few billionaires much much richer and a large part of the Third World better off but not even middle class.

    How many would bet that even the most mild mannered beta male would be an eager killing machine piling up body after body if it meant the prospect of not spending the rest of his life as a WHITE BUM sleeping rough on a park bench? Heck beta males make the best soldiers, they can endure things like the Western Front 1914-18 that an Alpha male would run from in a heartbeat.

    The built up legacy of post WWII prosperity, not blowing up the world in the Cold War, has been erased by elites making Whites much poorer and threatening to drive all of them onto that park bench. If worse comes to worse, there are enough people willing to fight against say, a White Tax as Maxine Waters is pushing and is sure to be part of the Democratic Platform, and the White Male Exclusion Act that most Hollywood whores/actresses are pushing every second they’re not making a sex tape with a Rapper that leaks accidentally on purpose.

    If it comes to violence there are plenty of White males who have had military training in fire and maneuver (a recent link off Instapundit has the military concerned about the spread of this to ISIS and Cartel types) and the nation is big enough that revolts in one place and another can thin out the repressive physical arm of the government to the point of ineffectiveness. The Rich hold the West Coast and NorthEast coast and Chicago, Milwaukee, and most Midwestern and Eastern Cities. These are places easily starved out, utterly dependent on the hinterlands for power, food, water, sewage, and fuel. A proposal to say, take every White man’s car and house and give it to a Black rapefugee from Africa or Aspiring Rapper or future Cartel member would certainly create an utterly merciless revolt with overt aspects that are certain to be … unlovely. As would proposals to “conscript” White men into a required labor pool.

    Yes. Rothman has Goolag, Faceborg, Fapple, Amazon, etc. Also most of the government, all of the media, lawyers, judges, etc. The government side will be good in a hot civil war. The rest, not so much, and will be certain to have a lot more to lose than some guy figuring he might as well fight as die on a park bench in the winter.

    Rothman’s an idiot — he and his masters who are equally stupid have so much to lose that pushing for a hot war makes me wonder if he was dropped on his head.

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    Jews who advocate open borders for Israel- and there are very, very few- are merely playing a role. They know Israel won't allow open borders, so it costs them nothing to say that.
    , @Tipsy
    Goolag, Faceborg, Fapple? Quelqu'un a traîné au Château Heartiste.
    , @Little Spoon
    Good take on the issue...one thing to add RE:
    "If it comes to violence there are plenty of White males who have had military training in fire and maneuver..."

    In addition to ex-military guys, there's another BIG factor if it all hits the fan for white males...there are literally MILLIONS of deer hunters in America. Hardcore ones. The guys who sit in a tree stand or against a fallen tree in the Autumn woods, scoped rifle at the ready, for HOURS. And often for days on end. And they love it. On a related note, the bowhunters, like me, make the rifle hunters look casual in comparison, in terms of obsession. 30 or more days a season, sitting in ambush, mostly motionless.

    And the deer hunters do this for ENJOYMENT. Have the bowhunters lose everything like you describe, set down the bow and pick up a .270 or .45-70 rifle, and fight with that for survival...like you said, it might not be pretty for the thieving class and related enemies.
    , @BB753
    Men with long guns aren't scary for a modern military force. You need planes, artillery, drones, tanks, etc to stand a chance against the US Armed Forces. Barring that, there's only guerrilla tactics left. You can pull it out in Afghanistan but not on American soil. And once the Swat and military go full Waco on your family, set fire to your home and kill one or two of your kids, your average American will surrender his guns. Believe me, they won't hesitate to use the dirtiest tactics on rebels, as past records show.
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  77. @Lot
    "Prime Death Squad" huh? I could see a President Bezos in 2030 commanding a drone and robot army in a glorious Iranian invasion, with some of the drones controlled by an AI neural net and others by work-from-home independent contractors making minimum wage.


    Self driving cars we hear so much about have to compete with people making $13 an hour in $15,000 Corollas. Plus wrongful death lawsuits when they kill people. By contrast it costs us about a million a year to put a well trained infantryman on the ground in middle east wars. Getting death robot pricing under than amount seems a lot easier. Maybe they can even learn to live off the land like our elite forces train to do by having fuel sniffing dogs seek out local sources of liquid hydrocarbons.

    Self driving cars we hear so much about have to compete with people making $13 an hour in $15,000 Corollas. Plus wrongful death lawsuits when they kill people. By contrast it costs us about a million a year to put a well trained infantryman on the ground in middle east wars. Getting death robot pricing under than amount seems a lot easier. Maybe they can even learn to live off the land like our elite forces train to do by having fuel sniffing dogs seek out local sources of liquid hydrocarbons.

    Or maybe America could just stop f**king around in the middle-east, and people who want to make war on Iran could go fight their own goddamned wars themselves.

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    "Or maybe America could just stop f**king around in the middle-east"

    That is my preference too. But let's be realistic. The Iraq Attaq had 80% support at the time. When it turned into a complete disaster, most of the right still officially pretends otherwise. Nearly every US president seems to want a war of his own, and the middle east muslims are never going to stop being barbarians giving us an endless stream of plausible pretexts to chose from.
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  78. @jimbojones
    I thought that voting was the battlefield that matters in civilized modern westernized nations... And if the "populists" are winning elections, then that means there are more of them than of the other guys.

    Not complicated, but evidently too complicated for Mr. Rothman.

    Rothman’s exhortation contains the tacit assumption that there is a battlefield of ideas filled with minds that can be changed.

    Voters are manipulable, and he wants (others) to steer them even if that requires fear and the implied threat of violence.

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    I think he means that existing voters can be replaced by masses of migrants more tractable to elite interests, ideals, and opinions.
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  79. It wasn’t a very long article but it is clear the vast majority of commenters have not read it.

    First, let me categorically state that it is total nonsense. It is rambling and incoherent and Steve’s surmation provides a clearer point even if not that originally communicated!

    Second, it asserts, even if it does not argue, for a distinction between patriotism/nationalism, which it sees as fine, and populism, which it does not. The only form of populism it identifies is steel tariffs.

    Third, “These kinds of martial metaphors will yield bouts of feigned indignation from populist nationalists who freely and recklessly resort to such language themselves, but this, too, amounts to mere theatrics.”

    In other words, like many of these incoherent pieces by writers who are being forgotten, it is about style or small inconsequential issues as these are the mask for the defence of the writer’s self-esteem.

    And yet the crazy inferrals in the comments above clearly show how few people read it. Steve, are you trolling your own readers?

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    It has been more than a generation since the West confronted a peer competitor that championed an alternative model to the kind of liberalized global economic integration that emerged after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. As such, our skill at championing a model of social organization unapologetically, without fear or favor, has atrophied. That’s an aptitude that we will have to re-learn, and soon. If populist nationalism is to be contained, it cannot be subsumed into greater liberalism and its malcontents mollified by social-welfare programs. The very idea of populist nationalism will have to be overwhelmed. As soon as advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce come to that conclusion, that necessary work can begin.
     
    He views populism as being the equivalent of soviet communism. Something to be contained. Something to be overwhelmed. If you subscribe to any politics that can be called "populist", it is not unreasonable to view Rothman as overtly hostile.
    , @rabbihighcomma
    "It's nonsense/how dare you goyim not allow Rothman's pilpul tear at your grasp of reality?!?"

    When jews begin admitting their primal ethnocentric motivations, I'll consider reading their propaganda. But your scolding sassiness is noted. Two giant fierce snaps in a star of david shaped swirl for you Shoahana.
    , @sayless
    Rothman's piece is badly written, it's practically incoherent. Is he writing in code? He needs to take the George Orwell Course In Simply Saying What You Mean.

    That picture of Rothman communicates a lot. He's a kid.
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  80. @anony-mouse
    1/ The populists are outnumbered (interestingly nobody here seems to actively dispute that). They could have called themselves the popular, but their many defeats would have caused a problem.

    1908 GOP slogan: Vote for Taft now. You can always vote for Bryan later.

    2/ 'The greatest good for the greatest number'. Puzzled (well not really) that the names Bentham, J.S .Mill, or Hume haven't been mentioned.

    3/ A lot of poeple here have had good things to say about Mencken. Of course when Rothman says the same things people revesrse their stands. I wonder why?

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-boob-dictionary-20160220-story.html

    4/ At Unz.com it's prettty automatic: If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it. What 'interesting perspectives'?

    If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it.

    “We should do something about our enemies” means different things depending on whether a Jew or a Christian is speaking.

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  81. @Mr. Anon

    2/ ‘The greatest good for the greatest number’. Puzzled (well not really) that the names Bentham, J.S .Mill, or Hume haven’t been mentioned.
     
    So. Should I care what they thought? I really don't. Did they also advocate grinding into the dirt those people who are on "the wrong side of history"?

    3/ A lot of poeple here have had good things to say about Mencken.
     
    A lot of people don't.

    Of course when Rothman says the same things people revesrse their stands. I wonder why?
     
    Because Rothman is a slimy douche?

    4/ At Unz.com it’s prettty automatic: If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it. What ‘interesting perspectives’
     
    As automatic as the sort of stuff you post?

    Can you point to anything where if a Jew said it I had one opinion and if a Gentile said it I had another?

    As in: Low firepower-bad. Low energy-good.

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    Can you point to anything where if a Jew said it I had one opinion and if a Gentile said it I had another?
     
    No. Because: 1.) It ain't my job, and 2.) I never said you did.

    I'm not responsible for your non-sequiturs.
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  82. @Mr. Anon

    2/ ‘The greatest good for the greatest number’. Puzzled (well not really) that the names Bentham, J.S .Mill, or Hume haven’t been mentioned.
     
    So. Should I care what they thought? I really don't. Did they also advocate grinding into the dirt those people who are on "the wrong side of history"?

    3/ A lot of poeple here have had good things to say about Mencken.
     
    A lot of people don't.

    Of course when Rothman says the same things people revesrse their stands. I wonder why?
     
    Because Rothman is a slimy douche?

    4/ At Unz.com it’s prettty automatic: If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it. What ‘interesting perspectives’
     
    As automatic as the sort of stuff you post?

    Trolls get paid by the reply.

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  83. @Lot
    "Classical" or 19th century liberalism is associated with opposition to slavery, that era's method of keeping down wages by importing a compliant nonwhite labor force. And while the plans never fully got off the ground, there was at least a general shared elite liberal agreement toward the idea sending the freedman to Africa and eugenics for the rest of the population.

    We should not let George Mason U's various open borders aspie libertarians claim the legacy of the prevailing philosophy of the peak of Western Civilization.

    Were the abolitionists against immigration? Because if not, I doubt they were motivated by the goal of raising (non-slave) workers’ wages. IIRC, their goals were moral (against slavery) and economic (in favor of tariffs which protected northern industry but would have made southern cotton less competitive).

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    I seem to remember Thomas Nast hating slavery (on principle and not economic reasoning) and, just as energetically, hating the Irish.
    , @Lot
    UK liberal abolitionists did not have an immigration policy because UK was a large net exporter of people. In the USA their views were mixed toward the largely German and Irish immigrants of the 1840s and 1850s. The largely abolitionist Americans who first settled California were very opposed to Asian immigration a few decades later.
    , @Busby
    American abolitionists were the single issue voters of the 19th century.
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  84. @anony-mouse
    Can you point to anything where if a Jew said it I had one opinion and if a Gentile said it I had another?

    As in: Low firepower-bad. Low energy-good.

    Can you point to anything where if a Jew said it I had one opinion and if a Gentile said it I had another?

    No. Because: 1.) It ain’t my job, and 2.) I never said you did.

    I’m not responsible for your non-sequiturs.

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  85. @Roderick Spode

    blood libel
     
    Surely you know that Unz himself was bar-mitzvahed once upon a time.

    Yes. I also know enthnomasochism is common in the USA.

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    I am an ethnomasochist of sorts. I have no use for Claire Mc Caskill, Dick Durbin, Richie or Bill Daley, or any Kennedy.
    , @Twinkie
    No kidding. Those bastards. How dare they think of the country first, instead of their own ethnic group.
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  86. Lot says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Self driving cars we hear so much about have to compete with people making $13 an hour in $15,000 Corollas. Plus wrongful death lawsuits when they kill people. By contrast it costs us about a million a year to put a well trained infantryman on the ground in middle east wars. Getting death robot pricing under than amount seems a lot easier. Maybe they can even learn to live off the land like our elite forces train to do by having fuel sniffing dogs seek out local sources of liquid hydrocarbons.
     
    Or maybe America could just stop f**king around in the middle-east, and people who want to make war on Iran could go fight their own goddamned wars themselves.

    “Or maybe America could just stop f**king around in the middle-east”

    That is my preference too. But let’s be realistic. The Iraq Attaq had 80% support at the time. When it turned into a complete disaster, most of the right still officially pretends otherwise. Nearly every US president seems to want a war of his own, and the middle east muslims are never going to stop being barbarians giving us an endless stream of plausible pretexts to chose from.

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    That is my preference too.
     
    You've written things here in the past that indicate otherwise.

    But let’s be realistic.
     
    What is realistic is realizing that the course we are on is disastrous and will lead to the failure of our society.

    The Iraq Attaq had 80% support at the time.
     
    And there were many interested parties who helped gin up that number, largely by lying.

    When it turned into a complete disaster, most of the right still officially pretends otherwise.
     
    That's true. However Trump won election in no small part on the the strength of calling it what it was - a failure.

    Nearly every US president seems to want a war of his own, and the middle east muslims are never going to stop being barbarians giving us an endless stream of plausible pretexts to chose from.
     
    The desire of Presidents to have manageable glorious little wars is indeed a problem. And, again, there are plenty of people who feed that desire for their own reasons. As to the endless pageant of muslim bad behavior, that's all the more reason to not get involved.
    , @D. K.
    Four days before the invasion of Iraq:

    ***

    "If the U.N. Security Council rejects a resolution paving the way for military action, only 54% of Americans favor a U.S. invasion. And if the Bush administration does not seek a final Security Council vote, support for a war drops to 47%."

    ***

    https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-16-poll-iraq_x.htm

    The Bush Administration and its allies in the United Nations withdrew their resolution, in the face of serious opposition from foes and friends alike. Ergo, a minority of Americans supported the coming invasion, under the facts that pertained at the time that the invasion was launched.
    , @Bill

    Nearly every US president seems to want a war of his own, and the middle east muslims are never going to stop being barbarians giving us an endless stream of plausible pretexts to chose from.
     
    Yeah, if those Africans weren't so civilized and peaceable, we'd be spending trillions of dollars invading them, too.
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  87. @Dave Pinsen
    Were the abolitionists against immigration? Because if not, I doubt they were motivated by the goal of raising (non-slave) workers' wages. IIRC, their goals were moral (against slavery) and economic (in favor of tariffs which protected northern industry but would have made southern cotton less competitive).

    I seem to remember Thomas Nast hating slavery (on principle and not economic reasoning) and, just as energetically, hating the Irish.

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  88. @Tyrion 2
    It wasn't a very long article but it is clear the vast majority of commenters have not read it.

    First, let me categorically state that it is total nonsense. It is rambling and incoherent and Steve's surmation provides a clearer point even if not that originally communicated!

    Second, it asserts, even if it does not argue, for a distinction between patriotism/nationalism, which it sees as fine, and populism, which it does not. The only form of populism it identifies is steel tariffs.

    Third, "These kinds of martial metaphors will yield bouts of feigned indignation from populist nationalists who freely and recklessly resort to such language themselves, but this, too, amounts to mere theatrics."


    In other words, like many of these incoherent pieces by writers who are being forgotten, it is about style or small inconsequential issues as these are the mask for the defence of the writer's self-esteem.

    And yet the crazy inferrals in the comments above clearly show how few people read it. Steve, are you trolling your own readers?

    It has been more than a generation since the West confronted a peer competitor that championed an alternative model to the kind of liberalized global economic integration that emerged after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. As such, our skill at championing a model of social organization unapologetically, without fear or favor, has atrophied. That’s an aptitude that we will have to re-learn, and soon. If populist nationalism is to be contained, it cannot be subsumed into greater liberalism and its malcontents mollified by social-welfare programs. The very idea of populist nationalism will have to be overwhelmed. As soon as advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce come to that conclusion, that necessary work can begin.

    He views populism as being the equivalent of soviet communism. Something to be contained. Something to be overwhelmed. If you subscribe to any politics that can be called “populist”, it is not unreasonable to view Rothman as overtly hostile.

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    The struggle against the Soviet Union was plenty violent.

    Sounds like Operation Phoenix.

    , @Tyrion 2
    It's a terrible article. He does not define populism but explicitly rules out either patriotism or nationalism as important to the definition. His comparison with the Soviet Union is no more than a lazy attempt to call conservative populists 'the real Soviets'. His thoughts are collected into a pointless mess, not a threat. I presume Rothman is only hostile to those who are both on his side of the left-right divide but also don't do enough to boost his self-esteem.
    , @Eagle Eye
    It's KTO - KOVO (who - whom).

    Many revolutionaries - going back at least to to Robespierre - who aspired to be the

    KTO (who) of revolutionary mass murder found themselves in the less delectable role of the

    KOVO (whom).
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  89. @Lot
    "Or maybe America could just stop f**king around in the middle-east"

    That is my preference too. But let's be realistic. The Iraq Attaq had 80% support at the time. When it turned into a complete disaster, most of the right still officially pretends otherwise. Nearly every US president seems to want a war of his own, and the middle east muslims are never going to stop being barbarians giving us an endless stream of plausible pretexts to chose from.

    That is my preference too.

    You’ve written things here in the past that indicate otherwise.

    But let’s be realistic.

    What is realistic is realizing that the course we are on is disastrous and will lead to the failure of our society.

    The Iraq Attaq had 80% support at the time.

    And there were many interested parties who helped gin up that number, largely by lying.

    When it turned into a complete disaster, most of the right still officially pretends otherwise.

    That’s true. However Trump won election in no small part on the the strength of calling it what it was – a failure.

    Nearly every US president seems to want a war of his own, and the middle east muslims are never going to stop being barbarians giving us an endless stream of plausible pretexts to chose from.

    The desire of Presidents to have manageable glorious little wars is indeed a problem. And, again, there are plenty of people who feed that desire for their own reasons. As to the endless pageant of muslim bad behavior, that’s all the more reason to not get involved.

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  90. @Mr. Anon

    It has been more than a generation since the West confronted a peer competitor that championed an alternative model to the kind of liberalized global economic integration that emerged after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. As such, our skill at championing a model of social organization unapologetically, without fear or favor, has atrophied. That’s an aptitude that we will have to re-learn, and soon. If populist nationalism is to be contained, it cannot be subsumed into greater liberalism and its malcontents mollified by social-welfare programs. The very idea of populist nationalism will have to be overwhelmed. As soon as advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce come to that conclusion, that necessary work can begin.
     
    He views populism as being the equivalent of soviet communism. Something to be contained. Something to be overwhelmed. If you subscribe to any politics that can be called "populist", it is not unreasonable to view Rothman as overtly hostile.

    The struggle against the Soviet Union was plenty violent.

    Sounds like Operation Phoenix.

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  91. Steve, you are deluding yourself if you believe the Army will take the side of Deplorables/Populists in a conflict.

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    It's more likely American armed forces would stand aside from a conflict between the citizens and the state.
    , @Twinkie

    Steve, you are deluding yourself if you believe the Army will take the side of Deplorables/Populists in a conflict.
     
    The officer corps of the army is heavily male, white, Christian, and conservative compared to the general public, even today.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Sadly, I think you're right. Ultimately, the army--just like the police--will side with whoever cuts their checks ... and that ain't us. If you need an example of what I'm talking about, consider the case of the Bonus Army: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
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  92. @Bill P
    Who does Rothman think is going to do the "wet work" for him this time? At least the Bolsheviks had impressive numbers of Balts, Caucasians and various other tough, smart white ethnics on their side.

    What do their equivalents in the US have? Mexicans and blacks? Private school antifa white kids whose fathers would sacrifice a testicle to keep out of harm's way?

    Maybe this explains Masha Gessen's love of Chechens. But there must be another explanation for her support for bringing in the world's most murderous white people, right?

    These types are why we need to provide both moral and material support to Jews like this guy.

    Woodrow Wilson ?

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  93. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Were the abolitionists against immigration? Because if not, I doubt they were motivated by the goal of raising (non-slave) workers' wages. IIRC, their goals were moral (against slavery) and economic (in favor of tariffs which protected northern industry but would have made southern cotton less competitive).

    UK liberal abolitionists did not have an immigration policy because UK was a large net exporter of people. In the USA their views were mixed toward the largely German and Irish immigrants of the 1840s and 1850s. The largely abolitionist Americans who first settled California were very opposed to Asian immigration a few decades later.

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    The opposition to Asian immigration in California was mainly driven by the working class and labor organizations and leaders, which included many, especially Irish, immigrants, like Denis Kearney and the Workingmen's Party. Those from an abolitionist background, like Hubert Bancroft, tended to be more upper class and less opposed to Asian immigration, perhaps for economic and class reasons, as they feared working class and socialist agitation.
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  94. @Mr. Anon

    It has been more than a generation since the West confronted a peer competitor that championed an alternative model to the kind of liberalized global economic integration that emerged after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. As such, our skill at championing a model of social organization unapologetically, without fear or favor, has atrophied. That’s an aptitude that we will have to re-learn, and soon. If populist nationalism is to be contained, it cannot be subsumed into greater liberalism and its malcontents mollified by social-welfare programs. The very idea of populist nationalism will have to be overwhelmed. As soon as advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce come to that conclusion, that necessary work can begin.
     
    He views populism as being the equivalent of soviet communism. Something to be contained. Something to be overwhelmed. If you subscribe to any politics that can be called "populist", it is not unreasonable to view Rothman as overtly hostile.

    It’s a terrible article. He does not define populism but explicitly rules out either patriotism or nationalism as important to the definition. His comparison with the Soviet Union is no more than a lazy attempt to call conservative populists ‘the real Soviets’. His thoughts are collected into a pointless mess, not a threat. I presume Rothman is only hostile to those who are both on his side of the left-right divide but also don’t do enough to boost his self-esteem.

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    "he does not define populism" - that's because most people would agree with it if clearly defined. I remember reading that the majority of the British National Party's policies had widespread support - as long as the poll didn't say whose policies they were.
    , @Mr. Anon

    His thoughts are collected into a pointless mess, not a threat.
     
    I'll decide what I consider a threat. There are any number of commentators who now nakedly display their animus against ordinary traditional white people - saying we need to be replaced, put in our place, now even defeated. It's a campaign of insult intended to stir up political action. Why do you think people comment at places like Commentary? To NOT be taken seriously?
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  95. @J.Ross
    I used to think there was a committee of Jews who monitored outgoing mass media content to squash anything that had the potential to generate actual physical violence against themselves. Then again, right before Kristallnacht, there were calls in the Jewish press to declare war on Germany with global boycotts.

    These kinds of martial metaphors will yield bouts of feigned indignation from populist nationalists who freely and recklessly resort to such language themselves, but this, too, amounts to mere theatrics.
     
    I certainly do sincerely hope they never reach Level Zero, especially since, as RINOs like The Flake have been learning, you can have your voters or you can have your seat at David Brooks' brunch counter, but not both.
    But if these are just martial metaphors then why does this article exist? I feel like he's doing this pseudo-clever thing of calling for violence and then immediately pretending he wasn't. Like how paid trolls talk about Trump voters being "emotional" and then demand to know exactly where anybody called anyone names.
    When was the last time this guy was homeless and slept in the open? What is the extent of his experience with firearms? What are the odds of this precious third-grade-haiku-collection-publisher implementing anything like this without a government to do it for him? Has this comfortable guy ever had to worry about answering to anyone for anything he's ever said, other than in a meeting with an editor?

    What are the odds of this precious third-grade-haiku-collection-publisher implementing anything like this without a government to do it for him?

    Perfect.

    Noah Rothman wants a central gov’t to impose his version of libertarianism on the rest of humanity; I’m sure he wouldn’t complain too much about the show trials and gulags: eggs need to imagine the nice omelette in the future…

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  96. @Lot
    "Or maybe America could just stop f**king around in the middle-east"

    That is my preference too. But let's be realistic. The Iraq Attaq had 80% support at the time. When it turned into a complete disaster, most of the right still officially pretends otherwise. Nearly every US president seems to want a war of his own, and the middle east muslims are never going to stop being barbarians giving us an endless stream of plausible pretexts to chose from.

    Four days before the invasion of Iraq:

    ***

    “If the U.N. Security Council rejects a resolution paving the way for military action, only 54% of Americans favor a U.S. invasion. And if the Bush administration does not seek a final Security Council vote, support for a war drops to 47%.”

    ***

    https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-16-poll-iraq_x.htm

    The Bush Administration and its allies in the United Nations withdrew their resolution, in the face of serious opposition from foes and friends alike. Ergo, a minority of Americans supported the coming invasion, under the facts that pertained at the time that the invasion was launched.

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  97. @Intelligent Dasein
    Classical liberalism was all about social compacts, parliamentarianism, and laissez faire economics. It had nothing to do with opposing slavery. All the Founding (and slave owning) Fathers were classical liberals.

    Thank you for pointing this out. I am surprised no one else correctly linked Classical Liberalism to the Founders.

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  98. @Educated Jew
    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    Actually, we’re well-informed anti-semites, thank you very much!

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  99. Oh please. Noah Rothman and his
    gang still haven’t figured out how to defeat a bunch of goat-f***ers armed with high-tech fertilizer bombs in Afghanistan.

    But Chicken Little is going to defeat Western populism?

    Uh-huh. Sure he will.

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  100. But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered.

    That really doesn’t matter even if it were true. In our Revolution it is estimated that no more than 10 percent of the population ever contributed to the cause. The Bolsheviks were not a very large faction either. But both were on the winning side.

    Also, I wouldn’t be too surprised if more people were actually sympathetic to the populist message, but just too afraid to voice it openly.

    The fact guys like this are starting to screech is a good indicator that the populist message is resonating.

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  101. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What part of the word ‘democracy’ does Rothman not understand?

    Of course, ‘democracy’ is from the Greek and literally means the ‘rule of the people’. In other words ‘citizens’ of a ‘polity’ (even mentioning these concepts is controversial these days), as so defined – note again both of these words ultimately have their origin from Classical *civilization* – ultimately, in theory at least, hold supreme power in the political state in question. This, as it is termed a ‘republic’ from the Latin ‘Res Publica’ meaning ‘rule of the people’ differs from the other forms of state control namely monarchy or dictatorship in which supreme power is embedded in the personage of a single individual.

    As an American, Rothman should know all of that. It is, of course, said to be the the founding myth of the USA.

    Now, in practice ‘democracy’ is enacted by ‘the people’ electing representatives to the legislative/executive body, the representatives being wholly dependent on the preferences of the weight of numbers of citizens for their political lives. This is the essence of ‘democracy’ as it is essentially practised. By being dependent on popular support, politicians supposedly must be cognizant of the wishes, aspirations, prejudices and opinions of their voters, or else the voters are fully entitled to throw them out and put in someone more amenable to their wishes.

    As Enoch Powell said ‘For a politician to complain about the voters is like a sailor complaining about the sea’.

    The moral is that politicians must cope with citizens rather than citizens coping with politicians.

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    As Enoch Powell said ‘For a politician to complain about the voters is like a sailor complaining about the sea’.
     
    I would guess that sailors complain about the sea constantly.
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  102. The fact guys like this are starting to screech is a good indicator that the populist message is resonating.

    He’s a screechy entertainment weirdo who is whingeing that nobody is giving him enough validation. It’s a bad sign that he isn’t just jumping on the populist train. It means that his position is still roughly the one you need to take in order to be thought of as a good person.

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  103. @Lot
    Yes. I also know enthnomasochism is common in the USA.

    I am an ethnomasochist of sorts. I have no use for Claire Mc Caskill, Dick Durbin, Richie or Bill Daley, or any Kennedy.

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    There are a number of Kennedys that are no relation to that bunch of grifters from Hyannisport and who are respectable people.
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  104. @San Fernando Curt
    If we don't drag off hillbilly kulaks to a Nevada Gulag right now, then Jewish globalists will be chased up and down Santa Monica Boulevard by Yankee Cossacks! Ignoring the danger is not who we are but not everyone gets to be Who We Are.

    …They fear it so much they are willing to do anything to prevent it, which will in turn cause it to happen…These people NEVER learn.

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    The psychological need to feel persecuted is at the core of their culture, and is arguably in their genes.
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  105. @Intelligent Dasein
    Classical liberalism was all about social compacts, parliamentarianism, and laissez faire economics. It had nothing to do with opposing slavery. All the Founding (and slave owning) Fathers were classical liberals.

    Classical liberalism was all about social compacts, parliamentarianism, and laissez faire economics. It had nothing to do with opposing slavery. All the Founding (and slave owning) Fathers were classical liberals.

    ” Classical Liberalism ” is a post-WWII term applied to often quite disparate 18th and 19th Century thinkers. It is not a helpful term.
    For example, you describe the Founding Fathers as being in favour of laissez faire. This isn’t true. Almost without exception, they favoured import tariffs to protect American industry and commerce. The same is true of Adam Smith, who for the last 10 years of his life was one of His Majesty’s Commissioners of Customs. Some proponent of laissez faire ! Even John Stuart Mill, late in life, recanted his enthusiasm for Free Trade as he could see the harm it was doing to British Industry.
    Classical Liberalism is a weasel term devised by modern “Libertarians” and others. The aim is to claim an historical continuity which just doesn’t exist. Most “Libertarians” are very keen on ideas like Free Trade – Globalism as it is now called – and want to claim that important figures like Smith supported it when they patently didn’t.
    You are right about slavery, though. Views on slavery did not follow ” Party” lines. This can be instanced by the first abolitions of the modern age., Crimea 1783 and St Helena 1795. The first was at the behest of the greatest autocrat of the age., Catherine the Great. The second at the behest of the world’s most powerful single organisation, the Royal Navy. Meanwhile, many Liberals continued to argue the merits of slavery well into the second half of the C19th.

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  106. @Lot
    I think it is just some generic MacDonald style blood libel, but if it is a specific claim of hereditary guilt is just as bad.

    if it is a specific claim of hereditary guilt is just as bad

    If a red-diaper great-grand-baby becomes a neocon (Trotskyist for White Genocide) then it’s his own decision to wear that mantle.

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  107. @Anonymous
    What part of the word 'democracy' does Rothman not understand?

    Of course, 'democracy' is from the Greek and literally means the 'rule of the people'. In other words 'citizens' of a 'polity' (even mentioning these concepts is controversial these days), as so defined - note again both of these words ultimately have their origin from Classical *civilization* - ultimately, in theory at least, hold supreme power in the political state in question. This, as it is termed a 'republic' from the Latin 'Res Publica' meaning 'rule of the people' differs from the other forms of state control namely monarchy or dictatorship in which supreme power is embedded in the personage of a single individual.

    As an American, Rothman should know all of that. It is, of course, said to be the the founding myth of the USA.

    Now, in practice 'democracy' is enacted by 'the people' electing representatives to the legislative/executive body, the representatives being wholly dependent on the preferences of the weight of numbers of citizens for their political lives. This is the essence of 'democracy' as it is essentially practised. By being dependent on popular support, politicians supposedly must be cognizant of the wishes, aspirations, prejudices and opinions of their voters, or else the voters are fully entitled to throw them out and put in someone more amenable to their wishes.

    As Enoch Powell said 'For a politician to complain about the voters is like a sailor complaining about the sea'.

    The moral is that politicians must cope with citizens rather than citizens coping with politicians.

    As Enoch Powell said ‘For a politician to complain about the voters is like a sailor complaining about the sea’.

    I would guess that sailors complain about the sea constantly.

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  108. @Hibernian
    I am an ethnomasochist of sorts. I have no use for Claire Mc Caskill, Dick Durbin, Richie or Bill Daley, or any Kennedy.

    There are a number of Kennedys that are no relation to that bunch of grifters from Hyannisport and who are respectable people.

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    There's been a gradual improvement in the quality of Kennedys in public life. One, who is a reasonably competent human being who has spent his life in the business world, sits in the Connecticut legislature. The other is in Congress. He's ahead of himself, but pretty much a mainline Democrat who hasn't generated any scandals (in which respect he's quite different than his father and several of his aunts and uncles). Ted Kennedy's alcoholic n'er-do-well of a son is now out of Congress.
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  109. @Anon
    But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …


    Yes and No.

    In any given nation, globalism producer fewer winners(who win bigger than ever) and more losers.

    So, Rothman is clearly wrong...

    But he is right in this sense. Via open borders, the immigrant-invaders can be counted as winners, relatively speaking. Even though most Mexicans in the US and most Muslims in EU don't rise very high -- and often remain poorer than even white populist losers -- , they are relative winners because life in the West is better than life back home.

    So, it's not a case of MORE real winners over losers but dwindling number of real winners allied with relative winners against the native losers(who have less than native winners but generally more than newcomers, the relative winners).

    Most Mexicans in the US are not in the upper crust. They are not winners in the strictest sense of the word. But they 'win' in the sense that they have better lives in the US than in Mexico. So, they count as 'winners of globalism' too. Such little winners are very useful to Big Winners.

    Same thing in EU. Many Muslims and Africans are not winners in the sense of reaching elite status. Many remain mired in the lower classes. Many remain worse than working class whites.
    But they count as 'winners of globalism' since life in the West is better than back home.

    Rothman is a clever creature. He wants to use the Wretched of the Earth against white natives but pretends it's an alliance of Winners. No, it's globalist elites using dregs from the Third World to defeat white natives. Granted, some non-whites do pretty well, especially Asians, but Jews don't feel threatened since Asians are such suckass dogs to status and privilege. They don't have the personality and vision to take command.

    “Asians are such suckass dogs to status and privilege. They don’t have the personality and vision to take command.”

    Before Yan Shen jumps in, I’ll say – China seem to be taking economic command.

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  110. @Educated Jew
    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    Bolshevism does seem to be in the blood.

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  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Of course there is only one real winner during this current era of ‘globalisation’ , namely China, which has won to the extent that it will undoubtedly dominate the world financially, economically, industrially and scientifically in this coming century.

    Do you really, seriously think that either the Chinese government or people could give a damn about ‘increasing other peoples’ living standards’ either during their climb to dominance or in their inevitable reign of supremacy?

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  112. Mona Charen, a syndicated columnist who had a minor public relations job in the Reagan Administration, was recently boo’ed off the stage at the American Conservative Union’s CPAC. She fancies herself a purveyor of ‘principle’. It doesn’t occur to her (or Rothman) that they are of a two digit (or, perhaps, three digit) population in New York and Washington living on foundation patronage. They have no public constituency of their own.

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    That’s what bothers me the most about writers like Rothman, they seem to act as if their views or more popular. I wonder what they’re basing this upon?
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  113. @Svigor
    I hope Rothman writes all the Democrat speeches from here on.

    It’s a reasonable wager the donor pipeline keeping Commentary afloat will eventually shut down. Better publications have disappeared in the last 20 years (Policy Review and The Public Interest to name two). He’ll be faced with attempting to implement a career change, attempting to locate another foundation-funded gig (N.B. he doesn’t have any quant skills; an outfit like AEI has only so many slots for publicists), or attempting to establish himself as a pet conservative at a liberal outlet (see Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, and, now, Max Boot).

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    I don't keep up with Commentary (too boring) but I believe Paul Singer funds them. Why do you think he would stop.

    Commentary and the rest of the Jewish press are read by a tiny fraction of Jews -- and the alt-right.
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  114. “As soon as advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce come to that conclusion, that necessary work can begin.”

    Yes, “unfettered freedom” for everyone, unless: you don’t care to bake and sell a wedding cake to Bruce and Dave; object to your 13 year-old daughter having to shower next to a guy who dreams he’s a girl; confess your “white privilege” to the resident race-kommisars in order to keep your job; visit a university campus and have a serious “conversation” about race. I can hardly wait to for that “necessary work” to begin and the expansion of freedom that will follow.

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  115. @Roderick Spode
    Oy vey! There's nothing wrong with being Jewish, but some Jews certainly seem to have something wrong with their heads.

    I think my favorite Jewish celebrity was Rodney Dangerfield. Rodney would never have gone in for this kind of nonsense.

    https://youtu.be/jrFgD9-l390

    And likewise, Jackie Mason.

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  116. Noah Rothman:globalist jews::Whiskey:Alt Right

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  117. Someone please explain the rhetoric of Steve’s last paragraph, “Noah C. Rothman’s army:”, followed by a photograph of a frowning woman with a nose-ring and tattoo-dotted cheeks.
    At first I thought this was supposed to be a photograph of Noah C. Rothman, until I realized that “Noah” is a boy’s name. Who is this woman? Is she someone the reader is supposed to recognize? Or is the point merely that the army Noah C. Rothman is calling forth is not very formidable?

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    I'm guessing it's one of Jennifer Rubin's kids.
    , @Anonymous
    It's a protester mugshot he probably got from the Beverly Hills Antifa twitter. Technically Rothman would dissociate himself from the policy emphases of low-class Bezerkley dirty-brownshirts, let alone have them in his "army" but, like Bret Stephens, is prone to imagine himself a Hungarian revolutionary reborn. Battling communists, battling fascists, battling isolationist Wavy Gravy compost farmers, battling snobby Ivy League jocks who wouldn't invite him into the final club or whatever--Rothman was born fighting
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  118. @Anonymous
    There are a number of Kennedys that are no relation to that bunch of grifters from Hyannisport and who are respectable people.

    There’s been a gradual improvement in the quality of Kennedys in public life. One, who is a reasonably competent human being who has spent his life in the business world, sits in the Connecticut legislature. The other is in Congress. He’s ahead of himself, but pretty much a mainline Democrat who hasn’t generated any scandals (in which respect he’s quite different than his father and several of his aunts and uncles). Ted Kennedy’s alcoholic n’er-do-well of a son is now out of Congress.

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  119. @Lot
    "Prime Death Squad" huh? I could see a President Bezos in 2030 commanding a drone and robot army in a glorious Iranian invasion, with some of the drones controlled by an AI neural net and others by work-from-home independent contractors making minimum wage.


    Self driving cars we hear so much about have to compete with people making $13 an hour in $15,000 Corollas. Plus wrongful death lawsuits when they kill people. By contrast it costs us about a million a year to put a well trained infantryman on the ground in middle east wars. Getting death robot pricing under than amount seems a lot easier. Maybe they can even learn to live off the land like our elite forces train to do by having fuel sniffing dogs seek out local sources of liquid hydrocarbons.

    Don’t worry, robots can also run on organic matter. If it’s broken down and decaying, even better.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energetically_Autonomous_Tactical_Robot

    Eating. People.

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  120. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Someone please explain the rhetoric of Steve's last paragraph, "Noah C. Rothman's army:", followed by a photograph of a frowning woman with a nose-ring and tattoo-dotted cheeks.
    At first I thought this was supposed to be a photograph of Noah C. Rothman, until I realized that "Noah" is a boy's name. Who is this woman? Is she someone the reader is supposed to recognize? Or is the point merely that the army Noah C. Rothman is calling forth is not very formidable?

    I’m guessing it’s one of Jennifer Rubin’s kids.

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  121. @Dave Pinsen
    Were the abolitionists against immigration? Because if not, I doubt they were motivated by the goal of raising (non-slave) workers' wages. IIRC, their goals were moral (against slavery) and economic (in favor of tariffs which protected northern industry but would have made southern cotton less competitive).

    American abolitionists were the single issue voters of the 19th century.

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  122. @Educated Jew
    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    “Educated Jew”

    Why, are you implying that there are uneducated Jews? Anti-Semite, you!

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  123. @Lot
    Yes. I also know enthnomasochism is common in the USA.

    No kidding. Those bastards. How dare they think of the country first, instead of their own ethnic group.

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  124. @BB753
    Steve, you are deluding yourself if you believe the Army will take the side of Deplorables/Populists in a conflict.

    It’s more likely American armed forces would stand aside from a conflict between the citizens and the state.

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    You're joking! The Armed Forces are part of the government/State! It's more likely they'll suppress any civilian rebellion with the violence and bloodshed necessary to stop it.
    , @donut
    It's more likely that our all "volunteer" armed forces will consider their paychecks first . That's why we don't have a draft .
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  125. By the term “vastly numerically inferior,” Rothman is looking forward to whites being in the minority.

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    We already are (8%). That's why he said we're "vastly numerically inferior." We are only the majority in our own countries, which aren't being run for our benefit anyway.

    He is openly admitting that he is allied with foreigners over Americans destroyed by globalism.

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  126. You and what army, Noah?

    An army made up of the likes of Shannon Watts, Bloomberg’s anti-gun sock puppet, who thinks that a bolt-action rifle in 22 LR is a dangerous assault weapon shat shouldn’t be sold at gun stores: https://mobile.twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/969572513154936833

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    Scary black guns.

    That's the same Shannon Watts who is just an ordinary, concerned Monsanto executive Mom.
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  127. @BB753
    Steve, you are deluding yourself if you believe the Army will take the side of Deplorables/Populists in a conflict.

    Steve, you are deluding yourself if you believe the Army will take the side of Deplorables/Populists in a conflict.

    The officer corps of the army is heavily male, white, Christian, and conservative compared to the general public, even today.

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    Ok, that explains the mandatory slut walks in high heels, trannies in the military, diversity über Alles, all the illegals wars waged abroad without consulting Congress, etc.. All those conservative attitudes and actions we have come to expect from the Military.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    I have my doubts. Venezuela should be under military rule at this point, marching the socialists off to drumhead trials, but there's still enough left in the tank to buy the military's loyalty. A lot of sincere people work for federal and state governments and they're as heavily invested in their way of life as any of us. (I cracked my companion up during Dark Knight Rises when I whispered, "ARE PENSIONS!" as the Pittsburgh PD rose as one to save Three Rivers Stadium from Bane).

    The difference-maker would be all that sovereign debt being written down to reflect the fact that this flaming turd is just going to be rolled over until no buyers are left. But we've all been saying that for a long time. Maybe neo-liberalism works--we'll see.

    Otherwise, yes. After a week or so the soldiers and police leave to go protect their families and top military start competing for the State's levers of power.
    , @Bill

    The officer corps of the army is heavily male, white, Christian, and conservative compared to the general public, even today.
     
    Which means they are especially anxious that everyone know how non-racist they are. And if they can prove this merely by offing some of their more embarrassing co-ethnics? Relevant John Zmirak essay:

    You see, one of the most dominant motives in any socially stigmatized group — such as conservatives were at Yale and still are in the opinion-making circles Frum now inhabits — is self-purification. One tries to wash away the taint that your opponents have attached to you by finding someone within your own movement who is more distasteful, more extreme, more socially maladroit, then denouncing him. Best of all if you can lead the chorus of ostracism. That renders you yourself ritually pure, at least for a while — and joins you securely to the community that has now been purged.
     
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  128. Steve, you seem to be getting the hint that this will not end peacefully, and it won’t be because of young firebrands like myself but because of soft headed idiots like Rothman pushing this into civil conflict.

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    Yes, we'll see Noah on the barricades. I wonder if that moron has ever missed a single meal.

    "The necessary work."

    Give me strength.
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  129. @Twinkie

    Steve, you are deluding yourself if you believe the Army will take the side of Deplorables/Populists in a conflict.
     
    The officer corps of the army is heavily male, white, Christian, and conservative compared to the general public, even today.

    Ok, that explains the mandatory slut walks in high heels, trannies in the military, diversity über Alles, all the illegals wars waged abroad without consulting Congress, etc.. All those conservative attitudes and actions we have come to expect from the Military.

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  130. @Busby
    It's more likely American armed forces would stand aside from a conflict between the citizens and the state.

    You’re joking! The Armed Forces are part of the government/State! It’s more likely they’ll suppress any civilian rebellion with the violence and bloodshed necessary to stop it.

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  131. JSM says:
    @The Z Blog
    I'm one of those guys who finds the endless JQ obsession of the alt-right tiresome, but my goodness. It's as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right.

    I’m one of those gals who finds the endless accusations of JQ obsession by the enemies of the alt-right tiresome.

    Pro-White: Jews are overrepresented in the media and academia, and what they’re doing is not good for White people.

    Jewish dissembler: Prove it.

    Pro-White: (gives several examples)

    Jewish dissembler: A couple anecdotes doesn’t prove anything.

    Pro-White: (goes and does a couple hours’ research, comes back with 287,329 examples)

    Jewish dissembler: OMG! WHY are you so obsessed with Jews? Are you afraid of Joooooooos under your bed and behind every tree? Are you insane? WHAT?

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    Pro-White: Jews are overrepresented in the media and academia, and what they’re doing is not good for White people.
     
    This statement is basically true. I quibble with the language, but fine.

    The issue is not then the strawman you proceed to set up.

    The issue is that Jews in the media and academia (entertainment industry) act the same as other whites in the entertainment industry.

    There is also a problem with confirmation bias. This article by Rothman is not the screed most of the commenters think it is, for example.
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  132. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a lot of Oy Veying over Trump’s calling Gary Cohn a “globalist,” which is austensibly a euphemism for rootless cosmopolitan, which is austensibly a euphemism for butthurt isteve commentariat.

    Ann Coulter opines: “Israel must be defended as the last redoubt of the Globalists”

    Fun Fact: Randy Grossman, former tight end for the Pittsburgh Steelers, is a Globalist.— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) March 9, 2018

    Boy, a lot of Globalists popped up in the #MeToo scandals!— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) March 9, 2018

    Jake Tapper is also half Globalist.— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) March 9, 2018

    Israel must be defended as last redoubt of the Globalists.— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) March 9, 2018

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  133. @Chief Seattle
    Holy XXX-L Batman. (((They))) really feel threatened here. They've spent 40 years touting the promises of Globalism: Americans will work higher up the food chain; American companies will find vast new markets in China; Getting more education will allow Americans to compete; Americans will export democracy to the world (at gunpoint). Now their credibility is shot and they're deathly afraid that the political opposition will enact some very common-sense measures that will quickly raise the standard of living for the average worker. So fatso here is pulling out the big guns. Through a mixture of bribery and blackmail they're preparing to marshall the remaining limp-wrist politicians to their side and marshall their remaining media and social-media assets to demonize the enemy. My gut feeling is that they are too old, too comfortable and complacent, and too rigid to win this battle against the forces of free men awake to the threats to their very existence. But like a wounded animal, they are dangerous, and will end up mauling someone before they expire.

    This deserves a gold box, long gone but lamented:

    My gut feeling is that they are too old, too comfortable and complacent, and too rigid to win this battle against the forces of free men awake to the threats to their very existence. But like a wounded animal, they are dangerous, and will end up mauling someone before they expire.

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  134. Never has their been a more tragic case of unrequited love than that between evangelicals and the Jews.

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    Never has their been a more tragic case of unrequited love than that between evangelicals and the Jews.
     
    Nah, by my count it's only the fifth-most tragic of even just the Jew-related cases.

    1. WASPs and Jews
    2. Jews and blacks
    3. Jews and Muslims
    4. Jews and the USSR

    Most tragic of all is

    0. Nice White Ladies and [decadence or depravity goes here]
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  135. @anony-mouse
    1/ The populists are outnumbered (interestingly nobody here seems to actively dispute that). They could have called themselves the popular, but their many defeats would have caused a problem.

    1908 GOP slogan: Vote for Taft now. You can always vote for Bryan later.

    2/ 'The greatest good for the greatest number'. Puzzled (well not really) that the names Bentham, J.S .Mill, or Hume haven't been mentioned.

    3/ A lot of poeple here have had good things to say about Mencken. Of course when Rothman says the same things people revesrse their stands. I wonder why?

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-boob-dictionary-20160220-story.html

    4/ At Unz.com it's prettty automatic: If a Gentile says one thing people here can like it, and if a Jew says the same thing people can oppose it. What 'interesting perspectives'?

    As to point 4 it’s just a reflexive reaction to the fact that around half of our pundits, media personalities, liberal arts professors and billionaires etc are Jewish, meaning they are massively overrepresented among the nations movers and shakers. Most people on here are not anti Semitic in the traditional sense, just frustrated by this fact.

    People have also pointed out the overrepresentation of Mormons in certain fields (spooks) as well.

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    As to point 4 it’s just a reflexive reaction to the fact that around half of our pundits, media personalities, liberal arts professors and billionaires etc are Jewish,

    Rothman isn't a mover and a shaker. Among opinion journalists, there were well-connected people with the ear of policy-makers - a generation or two ago. Walter Lippman and the Alsop brothers were such in the past, as was George Will ca. 1985. Not so today.

    The notion that 1/2 the 'media personalities', 'liberal arts professors', and 'billionaires' are 'Jewish' is the issue of a mind which doesn't understand fractions.
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  136. @Lot
    "Prime Death Squad" huh? I could see a President Bezos in 2030 commanding a drone and robot army in a glorious Iranian invasion, with some of the drones controlled by an AI neural net and others by work-from-home independent contractors making minimum wage.


    Self driving cars we hear so much about have to compete with people making $13 an hour in $15,000 Corollas. Plus wrongful death lawsuits when they kill people. By contrast it costs us about a million a year to put a well trained infantryman on the ground in middle east wars. Getting death robot pricing under than amount seems a lot easier. Maybe they can even learn to live off the land like our elite forces train to do by having fuel sniffing dogs seek out local sources of liquid hydrocarbons.

    President Bezos in 2030 commanding a drone and robot army in a glorious Iranian invasion

    Pretty much the plot of Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare. With Kevin Spacey as the big bad!

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    New Baghdad was awesome. It just took Spacey's character turning himself into a viceroy. I can guess how a future game could get a Wakanda as well - bring back colonialism.
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  137. @Tyrion 2
    It's a terrible article. He does not define populism but explicitly rules out either patriotism or nationalism as important to the definition. His comparison with the Soviet Union is no more than a lazy attempt to call conservative populists 'the real Soviets'. His thoughts are collected into a pointless mess, not a threat. I presume Rothman is only hostile to those who are both on his side of the left-right divide but also don't do enough to boost his self-esteem.

    “he does not define populism” – that’s because most people would agree with it if clearly defined. I remember reading that the majority of the British National Party’s policies had widespread support – as long as the poll didn’t say whose policies they were.

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  138. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/gmfus/status/971859572246941698

    One of the things that’s interesting about the elite critique of Trump is how similar it is to campaigns against specific political leaders lined up for ‘regime change’. Trump could be as corrupt as possible, a warmonger or undermine global warming agreements. They’d trade a leader far worse on all those things so long as the policies that make him popular, that grant him legitimacy in a democracy are changed. Just like they’d gladly replace Assad with a murderous insane Salafist, so long as said Salafist is less inclined or less able to stand up against Israeli aggression in the middle east.

    The Kagan clan as always being very subtle and not living up anyone’s stereotypes at all. Words don’t mean anything anymore, least of all ‘democracy’. (I looks exhausting being one of them, how can he be so psychotic and so fat without being dead by now from a stroke?)

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  139. Kind of tangential, but Phoenix was not so much of an assassination program as is popularly thought, Mr Sailer. Mark Moyar’s “Phoenix and the Birds of Prey” is a welcome corrective.

    (Depending on just how much free time you have on your times, his “Triumph Forsaken” is fantastic. Unfortunately, he’s been too busy to finish the rest of the war, but Lewis Sorley’s “A Better War” is a great book that takes over where most histories of Vietnam peter out with “The agrarian reformers succeeded brilliantly at Tet , the eeeeee-vil Americans lost, and we were right to protest ‘The War’. Yay!”)

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  140. @Tyrion 2
    It's a terrible article. He does not define populism but explicitly rules out either patriotism or nationalism as important to the definition. His comparison with the Soviet Union is no more than a lazy attempt to call conservative populists 'the real Soviets'. His thoughts are collected into a pointless mess, not a threat. I presume Rothman is only hostile to those who are both on his side of the left-right divide but also don't do enough to boost his self-esteem.

    His thoughts are collected into a pointless mess, not a threat.

    I’ll decide what I consider a threat. There are any number of commentators who now nakedly display their animus against ordinary traditional white people – saying we need to be replaced, put in our place, now even defeated. It’s a campaign of insult intended to stir up political action. Why do you think people comment at places like Commentary? To NOT be taken seriously?

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    This bloke and this article is not that. It's pitiable really.
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  141. @Twinkie

    Steve, you are deluding yourself if you believe the Army will take the side of Deplorables/Populists in a conflict.
     
    The officer corps of the army is heavily male, white, Christian, and conservative compared to the general public, even today.

    I have my doubts. Venezuela should be under military rule at this point, marching the socialists off to drumhead trials, but there’s still enough left in the tank to buy the military’s loyalty. A lot of sincere people work for federal and state governments and they’re as heavily invested in their way of life as any of us. (I cracked my companion up during Dark Knight Rises when I whispered, “ARE PENSIONS!” as the Pittsburgh PD rose as one to save Three Rivers Stadium from Bane).

    The difference-maker would be all that sovereign debt being written down to reflect the fact that this flaming turd is just going to be rolled over until no buyers are left. But we’ve all been saying that for a long time. Maybe neo-liberalism works–we’ll see.

    Otherwise, yes. After a week or so the soldiers and police leave to go protect their families and top military start competing for the State’s levers of power.

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  142. @The Z Blog
    I'm one of those guys who finds the endless JQ obsession of the alt-right tiresome, but my goodness. It's as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right.

    7 The Z Blog > but my goodness. It’s as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right

    it’s not Likud’s fault that iSteve spends all of his money and energy, reading periodicals like _Commentary_

    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz….. and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man’s house. I see speechmaking

    The self-styled “white nationalist” blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family’s life. Contrast that with their endless complaints about Jews of the world sending their kids to the Israel Defense Force to actually man checkpoints.

    The caliphate-ists have a better track record of ===action=== than the whites.

    If you were a dispassionate bookie, who would you place odds on to win the horse race?

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    it’s not Likud’s fault that iSteve spends all of his money and energy, reading periodicals like _Commentary_

    No, nor is anyone holding a gun to the Chosen People's heads, and making them work tirelessly against our interests. If they want us to stop noticing it, they're free to stop doing it whenever they like.

    If you were a dispassionate bookie, who would you place odds on to win the horse race?


    Fair enough, but keep in mind the fact that you need us a lot more than we need you. If we lose, you lose.

    So it's interesting to watch the Chosen People yet again doing everything in their power to get themselves wrecked. It's like a compulsion for you people.
    , @AnotherDad


    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz….. and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man’s house. I see speechmaking

    The self-styled “white nationalist” blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family’s life. Contrast that with their endless complaints about Jews of the world sending their kids to the Israel Defense Force to actually man checkpoints.
     
    Karl, this doesn't even deserve a response. It's the sort of openly disingenous Jewish verbal b.s. that makes Jews as beloved as used car dealers.

    The obvious--the Jews have a state and an active--or at least "cold"--war with their neighbors. A Jewish kid wanting to feel some ethnic solidarity with his tribe can go there and be part of something. (And furthermore white nationalists are not complaining about Jewish kids doing this, they are pointing out where their loyalties lie and the double standard of much Jewish anti-nationalist commentary.)

    There is a conflict in South Africa but it's not *the* conflict for white survival. Push come to shove, the Boer's weren't willing to cede territory and lifestyle in order to hack out a separate truly Boer nation for themselves. Their choice. If the shit really hits the fan and they decide to do so--at this rather late date--you will see some motivated white nationalists actuall go there to fight. But there is no such fight going on there now.

    And what exactly is a white gentile going to do manning the barricades in Malmo or Rotherham or Ferguson? Uh ... nothing. We simply aren't at the stage of having an armed struggle. Again if/when there is an actual conflict--say a bunch of rural Swedes decide to secede from their diversitopia and setup a Swedish Republic--i have no doubt you'll see whites from all over willing to come help them fight. Going there now and waving your gun around will get you what? Arrested? (Heck going to England and just saying Muslims aren't English, will get you arrested!)

    That's simply not where the fight is now. We still have elections. The fight to save the West is still primarily an ideological one. Winning against the--heavily Jewish--anti-white, anti-nationalist--propaganda.

    You mock and dismiss what Steve does but it's orders of magnitude more important in terms of our survival than some Jewish kid volunteering for his IDF ethno-solidarity-experience. (Heck, it's actually even way more important even forJewish survival, as the Jewish program of utopian globalism seems more motivated by ethnic reflex and animus than clear thinking. It's hard to see how a post-Western, post-white world is actually going to be "good for the Jews".) People like Steve and Coulter are out there helping white people wake up and--particularly in Steve's case--think more clearly and logically about basic human and mathematical realities, and improve their ability to shuck off the globo-establishments avalanche of bullshit.

    Getting white people to think clearly about reality is precisely where the battle is. When we get anywhere near 50% of white people "woke" ... please. Your "action" generating caliphate-ists and your suburban Jewish IDF checkpoint manning vacationers will be swarthy shadows of the "action" white boys can bring when they are motivated.

    But right now--it's precisely about getting one's friends, neighbors, relatives, to wake up and smell the crisis. Steve's on the front line.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz….. and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man’s house.
     
    Call a plumber, Spanky. Or better yet, do the work yourself. It is rarely challenging, but for a lazy bastard like you it will surely be difficult.

    The self-styled “white nationalist” blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family’s life.
     
    (1) white nationalists are rare here, and (2) if we brought the South Africans here they would vote for the Democrats. No thanks Spanky.
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  143. @Educated Jew
    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    Pre-emptive accusations of racism. Interesting that you know ahead of time you will be unable to respond with a counter-argument of any substance, despite your self-congratulatory educational claims. You can’t say judeo-sceptical comments don’t deserve a response – after all, you already have.

    Your tribal defensiveness aside, let’s discuss what is always missing from these ethnocentric hate rants – an acknowledgement that Rothman’s tribal/ethnic interests are central to his argument. It must be rather frustrating to constantly have to dance around that which is the writer’s primary motivation. Even on the Jewish Daily Forward the writers hide their purpose in a vague sentence bracketed by finger’s wagging at the goyim. Your comment reveals the stench of the lie. Rothman’s genocidal hand rubbing shows his hand as well. You’re both worried “the goyim know”. You could “shut it down” and all flee to Israel, but you won’t. So be it.

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  144. @E_plorable
    Isn't the idea of a strictly Jewish state kinda populist? What's Mr. Rothman's opinion on that?

    69 E_plorable > a strictly Jewish state kinda populist?

    understood that you were making a point using a rhetorical device

    however comma, allow me to mention that Netanyahu authorized the import of TWO Tagalog-speaking Roman Catholic priests, to service the Filipino community here.

    They are well-paid, too. At least compared to how much money they’d have in their pocket if they were still in Cagayan de Oro.

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  145. @Twinkie

    You and what army, Noah?
     
    An army made up of the likes of Shannon Watts, Bloomberg’s anti-gun sock puppet, who thinks that a bolt-action rifle in 22 LR is a dangerous assault weapon shat shouldn’t be sold at gun stores: https://mobile.twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/969572513154936833

    Scary black guns.

    That’s the same Shannon Watts who is just an ordinary, concerned Monsanto executive Mom.

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  146. Rothman is not an idiot.

    He’s a clever enemy.

    But cleverness only takes you so far. This particular brand of cleverness bled out in Anbar province, and it’s not coming back.

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  147. @Dave Pinsen

    It has been more than a generation since the West confronted a peer competitor that championed an alternative model to the kind of liberalized global economic integration that emerged after the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
     
    He's either ignorant of or dishonest about recent history. It's like he's not aware that Japan, China, South Korea, etc. exist and have alternative approaches to global economic integration (export freely; import selectively; eschew immigration).

    When they are opposing Hungary, Slowakia, Poland etc. (The Baltics) they carefully omit to talk about of democratic Japan, Korea – and even Switzerland.
    I’m astonished again and again, that these omissions are not being noticed. It’s a miracle!

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    I can't help thinking that at root, it's old fashioned west European ethnic contempt, snobbery and feelings of superiority which are responsible for the EU Commission's pompous and condescending attitude towards the east European states.
    For example, the EU was strangely silent when we saw actual examples of human rights abuses in Spain/Catalunya last year.
    Spain is an honorary member of the exclusive western European club.
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  148. The completely dishonest aspect of Rothman’s “argument” is that he avoids mentioning the key point: the greater number of winners in globalism don’t exist in the US, or in any of the Western countries. The vast majority of the winners are in the third world.

    But why should Americans or Europeans give up their material and other well being for the sake of people across the world with whom they have virtually nothing in common?

    Remember: nobody lives up to the utilitarian ideal of the greatest good for the greatest number. Peter Singer himself can’t do it — can’t even come close to doing it. He keeps far more of his own income than the principle of utilitarianism would ever allow. Why should voters in the West be obliged to abide by a principle which, demonstrably, nobody — not even its most fanatical advocates — can adhere to?

    And of course Rothman knows perfectly well that it isn’t his own well being or that of anybody that he knows and cares about which would actually be sacrificed in the world he’s advocating for. He knows the elites will get only a bigger slice of the pie.

    The only thing that stands in the way of Rothman and his ilk is the concept of a nation with borders and a democratically elected government.

    He seems to understand perfectly well that that is the thing he and they must at all costs bring down.

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  149. @Tyrion 2
    It wasn't a very long article but it is clear the vast majority of commenters have not read it.

    First, let me categorically state that it is total nonsense. It is rambling and incoherent and Steve's surmation provides a clearer point even if not that originally communicated!

    Second, it asserts, even if it does not argue, for a distinction between patriotism/nationalism, which it sees as fine, and populism, which it does not. The only form of populism it identifies is steel tariffs.

    Third, "These kinds of martial metaphors will yield bouts of feigned indignation from populist nationalists who freely and recklessly resort to such language themselves, but this, too, amounts to mere theatrics."


    In other words, like many of these incoherent pieces by writers who are being forgotten, it is about style or small inconsequential issues as these are the mask for the defence of the writer's self-esteem.

    And yet the crazy inferrals in the comments above clearly show how few people read it. Steve, are you trolling your own readers?

    “It’s nonsense/how dare you goyim not allow Rothman’s pilpul tear at your grasp of reality?!?”

    When jews begin admitting their primal ethnocentric motivations, I’ll consider reading their propaganda. But your scolding sassiness is noted. Two giant fierce snaps in a star of david shaped swirl for you Shoahana.

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  150. Noah Rothman knows that Trump won the presidency because the American voters of GERMAN ancestry in the Great Lakes states and the Southern voters of ANGLO-CELTIC ancestry rejected the mass immigration, Neo-Conservative interventionism and globalization offered up by Hillary Clinton and the WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire. The retired Americans of European Christian ancestry in Florida won that state for Trump.

    Noah Rothman should understand that Viacom, Comcast, Disney, Google, Facebook and all the other Jew-controlled propaganda outlets will soon be taken over by American patriots who will no longer tolerate the anti-White and anti-Christian propaganda that flows out of those corporations.

    Noah Rothman’s comments remind me of a question that a smart, patriotic lady once posed when the GOP candidates were falling all over themselves rhetorically putting the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States in a presidential debate:

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  151. @Chief Seattle
    Holy XXX-L Batman. (((They))) really feel threatened here. They've spent 40 years touting the promises of Globalism: Americans will work higher up the food chain; American companies will find vast new markets in China; Getting more education will allow Americans to compete; Americans will export democracy to the world (at gunpoint). Now their credibility is shot and they're deathly afraid that the political opposition will enact some very common-sense measures that will quickly raise the standard of living for the average worker. So fatso here is pulling out the big guns. Through a mixture of bribery and blackmail they're preparing to marshall the remaining limp-wrist politicians to their side and marshall their remaining media and social-media assets to demonize the enemy. My gut feeling is that they are too old, too comfortable and complacent, and too rigid to win this battle against the forces of free men awake to the threats to their very existence. But like a wounded animal, they are dangerous, and will end up mauling someone before they expire.

    Here’s something they can emulate from China, a blacklisting of citizens who don’t adhere to what the govt expects from its citizens. Of course, this would never happen under Trump, however, I can see this blacklisting happening under the private sector pushed by the SJWs, in fact, some of it is already implemented like the demonetization with YouTube. It would be easy enough for the credit companies to join forces with Silicon Valley and create blacklists that could prevent Bad Whites from buying plane tickets, renting cars, getting loans, etc…

    https://www.marketplace.org/2018/02/13/world/social-credit-score-china-blacklisted

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  152. The problem with this presumed EU army to destroy their EE renegades is that they don’t have one, since they globalized their defense to the US.

    Kinda funny.

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  153. @Buzz Mohawk
    Rothman's exhortation contains the tacit assumption that there is a battlefield of ideas filled with minds that can be changed.

    Voters are manipulable, and he wants (others) to steer them even if that requires fear and the implied threat of violence.

    I think he means that existing voters can be replaced by masses of migrants more tractable to elite interests, ideals, and opinions.

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  154. @jimbojones
    I thought that voting was the battlefield that matters in civilized modern westernized nations... And if the "populists" are winning elections, then that means there are more of them than of the other guys.

    Not complicated, but evidently too complicated for Mr. Rothman.

    I don’t think it’s too complicated for Rothman. He just doesn’t like the outcome. Any outcome he doesn’t like, he just decrees it isn’t democratic.

    Mental gymnastics can be quite satisfying.

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  155. Noah Rothman is an anti-White, anti-Christian Bolshevik. Noah Rothman is a Jew. Noah Rothman is representative of the anti-White evil in the WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire.

    Jews were useful to the Bolsheviks because they had no problem butchering and killing Russian Christians, Ukrainian Christians and all other non-Jews. Solzhenitsyn was very clear on this. Jew hatred for Christians and non-Jews was harnessed by the Bolsheviks when the butchering began. And when it began the Jews were lusty killers indeed.

    Noah Rothman is a Jew who wants to continue on with the carnage let loose by the Bolsheviks. Noah Rothman is a threat to the safety and security of European Christians everywhere.

    Noah Rothman has declared war on European Christendom. Noah Rothman would like nothing more than to viciously attack every patriotic GERMAN American in the Great Lakes states who voted for Trump. Rothman would love to be able to nastily attack the ANGLO-CELTS in the Southern states.

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  156. It is an interesting question as to who the big donors to the neocon opinion magazines are and how likely their children are to continue funding them. The neocons don’t work for cheap, but I am wondering if the extreme unpopularity of their ideas among young adults means there won’t be that many young aspiring pundits to take the place of people like Rothman, Jonah Goldberg, etc.

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  157. Rothman mentioned you in a tweet Steve and linked to this article. You’re moving up in the world.

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  158. e-Generals and majors always / Seem so unhappy unless they got a war

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    I wonder what the difference between numerically inferior and out numbered is, besides five syllables.
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  160. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Better boars than foreign hordes.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/03/across-country-wild-boars-are-moving-in.html

    Wild Boars are nature, and nature is good. If the population is shrinking, let nature reclaim the land. A nation like Japan can use a bit more of nature.

    Better to have nature reclaim the land than have foreigners come and take over. If nature takes over, Japan still remain Japan. But if foreigners increase in number and take over the land while Japanese numbers decrease, then Japanese will eventually become a minority in their own country and lose it forever.

    So, if the population is shrinking, let nature reclaim parts of the land. Let birds, frogs, reptiles, wild boars, deer, and etc live on the land. But do not let foreigners take over the land.

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    White Americans are the next Tibetans.
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  161. Dumbo white males think “getting a job” is somehow going to make them a better person. But white males are AWFUL no matter what and don’t deserve employment.

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    Jordan Peterson thinks cleaning the room would make them a better person.
    , @Briny Schmuck
    Whypeepo are truly the scourge of the Earth. What have we contributed to the world besides settler colonial genocidal white supremacist territorial and cultural and technological theft? Frankly, the world would be better off without us.
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  162. You can’t ask people engaged in talmudic arguing to be more specific. The whole point is to not be.

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  163. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Someone please explain the rhetoric of Steve's last paragraph, "Noah C. Rothman's army:", followed by a photograph of a frowning woman with a nose-ring and tattoo-dotted cheeks.
    At first I thought this was supposed to be a photograph of Noah C. Rothman, until I realized that "Noah" is a boy's name. Who is this woman? Is she someone the reader is supposed to recognize? Or is the point merely that the army Noah C. Rothman is calling forth is not very formidable?

    It’s a protester mugshot he probably got from the Beverly Hills Antifa twitter. Technically Rothman would dissociate himself from the policy emphases of low-class Bezerkley dirty-brownshirts, let alone have them in his “army” but, like Bret Stephens, is prone to imagine himself a Hungarian revolutionary reborn. Battling communists, battling fascists, battling isolationist Wavy Gravy compost farmers, battling snobby Ivy League jocks who wouldn’t invite him into the final club or whatever–Rothman was born fighting

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    Was she the brave Nazi scalper who went down to a single punch?
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  164. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief
    When they are opposing Hungary, Slowakia, Poland etc. (The Baltics) they carefully omit to talk about of democratic Japan, Korea - and even Switzerland.
    I'm astonished again and again, that these omissions are not being noticed. It's a miracle!

    I can’t help thinking that at root, it’s old fashioned west European ethnic contempt, snobbery and feelings of superiority which are responsible for the EU Commission’s pompous and condescending attitude towards the east European states.
    For example, the EU was strangely silent when we saw actual examples of human rights abuses in Spain/Catalunya last year.
    Spain is an honorary member of the exclusive western European club.

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    Just how come, Switzerland is being overlooked - it sit right in the middle of Europe, has a desnly reguated migration politics and very successful economically - without the Euro, by theway?

    - Not by Steve Bannon, that is: he spoke last week in Zürich and seemed to be really careful in that he made the right connections to the good European traditions of opposing the "invite the world" idea.

    Bannon did not applaud the Austrian right winger Jörg Haider, who had a really troubling half-Nazi past. He praised the very bourgoise Swiss entrepreneur and Publisher and right wing billionaire Christoph Blocher instead. A man, who has been scandalised for a time as well, but who is nowadays way beyond those accusations and a pretty well respected Swiss citizend. - A wise Steve Bannon? At least one who did not speak foolishly at all in Zürich.
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  165. @Art Deco
    Mona Charen, a syndicated columnist who had a minor public relations job in the Reagan Administration, was recently boo'ed off the stage at the American Conservative Union's CPAC. She fancies herself a purveyor of 'principle'. It doesn't occur to her (or Rothman) that they are of a two digit (or, perhaps, three digit) population in New York and Washington living on foundation patronage. They have no public constituency of their own.

    That’s what bothers me the most about writers like Rothman, they seem to act as if their views or more popular. I wonder what they’re basing this upon?

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    They're only talking to each other, and any utterances in discord with what they say to each other are treated as static by their minds.

    Look at some of the nonsense Charen uttered. She calls Jean Marie Le Pen a 'Nazi' (he isn't; rehabilitating French collaborators has been one of his projects, not Nazi-ism) and excoriated CPAC for inviting his granddaughter to speak (without any reference to anything the Marion Le Pen has ever said; see M.B. Dougherty for a precis of her actual views; are Eric Hobsbawm's grandchildren too dirty for a CPAC platform?). She insisted someone had made a 'credible charge' contra Roy Moore of 'child molestation' (only if you're a ready mark would you ignore the content, source, and context to the degree you'd have to to call that charge 'credible'). This woman writes about public affairs for a living, she shoots her mouth off about things she knows little about, and fancies herself as having moxie for getting boos and catcalls for her trouble.
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  166. The absolute best thing for our side would be an overt hostile attack from Rothmans group with many dead and many casualties. Don’t discourage them or make them think otherwise.

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  167. SMK says: • Website
    @candid_observer
    The morally obscene thing about Rothman's suggestion is that he does not even bring up the most obvious sticking point: how does any of his program square with democracy?

    If populism is -- what a surprise -- popular with the voters of a country, how does it get undone?

    One surmises that it is democracy itself that Rothman is after.

    Who's the real fascist here?

    Destroy democracy? How exactly? Just import a new electorate that will preclude not only the election of another white “populist” president but also the election of another Republican president. Democracy will survive but only left-wing anti-white Democrats, eventually all nonwhites, males and females, blacks and Mestizos, will be elected president.

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  168. @Dmitry

    Don’t expect him to advocate classical liberalism for Israel, which would necessarily mean that Israel moves from an ethnocracy to a genuine democracy where there is no discrimination on religious or ethnic grounds on immigration policy.
     
    If you read a little Hebrew - some media there is writing more sympathetic to Trump immigration policy than media in America.

    https://mida.org.il/2018/03/04/%D7%94%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C-%D7%92%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%A8-%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9-%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%94%D7%91-%D7%94%D7%96/

    That’s not the point. It’s great that some Israelis are supportive of Trump. The point is that those opposed to Trumpism on ideological grounds never apply the same arguments to Israel.

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    That’s not the point. It’s great that some Israelis are supportive of Trump. The point is that those opposed to Trumpism on ideological grounds never apply the same arguments to Israel.
     
    No... Many Jews are increasingly applying the exact same arguments to Israel. Bernie Sanders and Jon Stewart jump to mind. Noah Rothman is one of the few that support this bizarre hypocrisy.

    Or read this, that was published this week on Vox
    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/6/17059744/israel-deport-african-migrants-asylum


    The problem for Tesfamariam is that a majority of Israelis seem to support the government push to deport the Africans. Sixty-six percent of Jewish Israelis (and half of Israeli Arabs, who make up 20 percent of Israel’s population) favor the deportation plans, according to a late January poll by the Israel Democracy Institute.

    It’s part of a worldwide wave of anti-immigrant fervor that is playing out in dozens of countries ranging from smaller places like Hungary to larger powers like the US.
     
    And again, the label "anti-immigrant" is a deliberate slur. Could I call a school that rejects applicants and denies them adission "anti-student". I don't hate or even dislike immigrants, but I don't believe that they have a reasonable claim to demand automatic, full membership into any nation state or tribe of their choice, just because they want it.
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  169. @Anonymous
    It's a protester mugshot he probably got from the Beverly Hills Antifa twitter. Technically Rothman would dissociate himself from the policy emphases of low-class Bezerkley dirty-brownshirts, let alone have them in his "army" but, like Bret Stephens, is prone to imagine himself a Hungarian revolutionary reborn. Battling communists, battling fascists, battling isolationist Wavy Gravy compost farmers, battling snobby Ivy League jocks who wouldn't invite him into the final club or whatever--Rothman was born fighting

    Was she the brave Nazi scalper who went down to a single punch?

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  170. The patriotic, pro-sovereignty BASTA brigades in Italy have bothered Noah Rothman. Brexit, Trump, AfD and all the rest have unsettled the mind of Neo-Conservative Jew Noah Rothman.

    Rothman is really attacking the Americans of GERMAN ancestry in the Great Lakes states and the Americans of ANGLO-CELTIC ancestry in the Southern states when he attacks “populists.” Noah Rothman knows that the jig is up on anti-White globalization, nation-wrecking mass immigration and Jew-controlled Neo-Conservatism.

    BACK TO BLOOD

    From Rothman’s Commentary magazine:

    News of populism’s demise has been greatly exaggerated. That’s the meaning of the weekend’s election in Italy, which saw movements from the political fringes rout the country’s mainstream establishment. More than a year since 2016’s Brexit vote and Donald Trump’s election to the White House, the trans-Atlantic liberal consensus remains vulnerable to popular discontent. It isn’t even a “consensus” anymore.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/foreign-policy/europe/the-meaning-of-election-italy/

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  171. @Lot
    "Classical" or 19th century liberalism is associated with opposition to slavery, that era's method of keeping down wages by importing a compliant nonwhite labor force. And while the plans never fully got off the ground, there was at least a general shared elite liberal agreement toward the idea sending the freedman to Africa and eugenics for the rest of the population.

    We should not let George Mason U's various open borders aspie libertarians claim the legacy of the prevailing philosophy of the peak of Western Civilization.

    We should not let George Mason U’s various open borders aspie libertarians claim the legacy of the prevailing philosophy of the peak of Western Civilization.

    No worries. Bryan Caplan won’t be claiming the mantle of Catholic Monarchy any time soon.

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  172. @Lot
    "Or maybe America could just stop f**king around in the middle-east"

    That is my preference too. But let's be realistic. The Iraq Attaq had 80% support at the time. When it turned into a complete disaster, most of the right still officially pretends otherwise. Nearly every US president seems to want a war of his own, and the middle east muslims are never going to stop being barbarians giving us an endless stream of plausible pretexts to chose from.

    Nearly every US president seems to want a war of his own, and the middle east muslims are never going to stop being barbarians giving us an endless stream of plausible pretexts to chose from.

    Yeah, if those Africans weren’t so civilized and peaceable, we’d be spending trillions of dollars invading them, too.

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  173. Noah Rothman is a modern day Jew Bolshevik.

    Alexander Solzhenitsyn:

    “You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

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  174. @Anon
    Better boars than foreign hordes.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/03/across-country-wild-boars-are-moving-in.html

    Wild Boars are nature, and nature is good. If the population is shrinking, let nature reclaim the land. A nation like Japan can use a bit more of nature.

    Better to have nature reclaim the land than have foreigners come and take over. If nature takes over, Japan still remain Japan. But if foreigners increase in number and take over the land while Japanese numbers decrease, then Japanese will eventually become a minority in their own country and lose it forever.

    So, if the population is shrinking, let nature reclaim parts of the land. Let birds, frogs, reptiles, wild boars, deer, and etc live on the land. But do not let foreigners take over the land.

    White Americans are the next Tibetans.

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  175. Globalization propaganda of the 1990′s promised factory workers a break from performing repetitive labor for high wages to sitting in front of computers while making six figure salaries after their jobs were outsourced. Now that it has been exposed as the Big Lie that it always was, the question of what to DO with the increasing number of malcontents in the Western World is sounding overtly Final Solution-ish…

    Noah Rothman needs to do some basic math, because his “numbers” actually hover around 0.2% of the global population. Perhaps he is including shock troopers from South of the US border, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Arab world as his people.

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  176. @Twinkie

    Steve, you are deluding yourself if you believe the Army will take the side of Deplorables/Populists in a conflict.
     
    The officer corps of the army is heavily male, white, Christian, and conservative compared to the general public, even today.

    The officer corps of the army is heavily male, white, Christian, and conservative compared to the general public, even today.

    Which means they are especially anxious that everyone know how non-racist they are. And if they can prove this merely by offing some of their more embarrassing co-ethnics? Relevant John Zmirak essay:

    You see, one of the most dominant motives in any socially stigmatized group — such as conservatives were at Yale and still are in the opinion-making circles Frum now inhabits — is self-purification. One tries to wash away the taint that your opponents have attached to you by finding someone within your own movement who is more distasteful, more extreme, more socially maladroit, then denouncing him. Best of all if you can lead the chorus of ostracism. That renders you yourself ritually pure, at least for a while — and joins you securely to the community that has now been purged.

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  177. @Educated Jew
    With a name like “Noah Rothman” you know the ignorant anti-semites will howl.

    Isn’t this another example of “ein shanda fur die goyim”? And shouldn’t some of you take little Noah aside and tell him to stop writing this garbage? He is embarrassing his people and annoying the rest of us.

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  178. You and what army, Noah?

    I bet that most of the guys in that picture have either GERMAN ancestry or ANGLO-CELTIC ancestry or both. Don’t forget the SCANDINAVIANS.

    Noah Rothman knows that the GERMANS in the Great Lakes region and the ANGLO-CELTS in the SOUTHERN states made Trump the president of the United States.

    The golfing guy in the middle of those US soldiers who had the Viking woman go BERSERKER on him deserved it.

    Cheap movie, lots of fun, Kezia Burrows is a hoot:

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  179. @S. Anonyia
    As to point 4 it’s just a reflexive reaction to the fact that around half of our pundits, media personalities, liberal arts professors and billionaires etc are Jewish, meaning they are massively overrepresented among the nations movers and shakers. Most people on here are not anti Semitic in the traditional sense, just frustrated by this fact.

    People have also pointed out the overrepresentation of Mormons in certain fields (spooks) as well.

    As to point 4 it’s just a reflexive reaction to the fact that around half of our pundits, media personalities, liberal arts professors and billionaires etc are Jewish,

    Rothman isn’t a mover and a shaker. Among opinion journalists, there were well-connected people with the ear of policy-makers – a generation or two ago. Walter Lippman and the Alsop brothers were such in the past, as was George Will ca. 1985. Not so today.

    The notion that 1/2 the ‘media personalities’, ‘liberal arts professors’, and ‘billionaires’ are ‘Jewish’ is the issue of a mind which doesn’t understand fractions.

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    https://us.macmillan.com/americasrasputin/davidmilne/9780374531621/

    Walt Rostow's meteoric rise to power—from Flatbush, Brooklyn, to the West Wing of the White House—seemed to capture the promise of the American dream. Hailing from humble origins, Rostow became an intellectual powerhouse: a professor of economic history at MIT and an influential foreign policy adviser to John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.

    Too influential, according to some. While Rostow inspired respect and affection, he also made some powerful enemies. Averell Harriman, one of America's most celebrated diplomats, described Rostow as "America's Rasputin" for the unsavory influence he exerted on presidential decision-making. Rostow was the first to advise Kennedy to send U.S. combat troops to South Vietnam and the first to recommend the bombing of North Vietnam. He framed a policy of military escalation, championed recklessly optimistic reporting, and then advised LBJ against pursuing a compromise peace with North Vietnam.

    David Milne examines one man's impact on the United States' worst-ever military defeat. It is a portrait of good intentions and fatal misjudgments. A true ideologue, Rostow believed that it is beholden upon the United States to democratize other nations and do "good," no matter what the cost. America's Rasputin explores the consequences of this idealistic but unyielding dogma.
     
    , @anon
    "The notion that 1/2 the ‘media personalities’, ‘liberal arts professors’, and ‘billionaires’ are ‘Jewish’ is the issue of a mind which doesn’t understand fractions."

    So, what do we say about the mind of a person who thinks "My vascular surgeon is Jewish, and he doesn't control the media, so therefore, NO Jewish people control the media!"?
    , @istevefan

    The notion that 1/2 the ‘media personalities’, ‘liberal arts professors’, and ‘billionaires’ are ‘Jewish’ is the issue of a mind which doesn’t understand fractions.
     
    Is the actual fraction closer to 1/2 or to 1/50?
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  180. @Ed
    That’s what bothers me the most about writers like Rothman, they seem to act as if their views or more popular. I wonder what they’re basing this upon?

    They’re only talking to each other, and any utterances in discord with what they say to each other are treated as static by their minds.

    Look at some of the nonsense Charen uttered. She calls Jean Marie Le Pen a ‘Nazi’ (he isn’t; rehabilitating French collaborators has been one of his projects, not Nazi-ism) and excoriated CPAC for inviting his granddaughter to speak (without any reference to anything the Marion Le Pen has ever said; see M.B. Dougherty for a precis of her actual views; are Eric Hobsbawm’s grandchildren too dirty for a CPAC platform?). She insisted someone had made a ‘credible charge’ contra Roy Moore of ‘child molestation’ (only if you’re a ready mark would you ignore the content, source, and context to the degree you’d have to to call that charge ‘credible’). This woman writes about public affairs for a living, she shoots her mouth off about things she knows little about, and fancies herself as having moxie for getting boos and catcalls for her trouble.

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    (only if you’re a ready mark would you ignore the content, source, and context to the degree you’d have to to call that charge ‘credible’).

    Or if you were the kind of person who just believes whatever media narrative you're told to believe. Which, in fact, a lot of people are.

    Which is why it really does kind of matter who controls the media, however much you want to pretend that it doesn't.

    This woman writes about public affairs for a living, she shoots her mouth off about things she knows little about,

    How can you say that, when she clearly got her job because of an extraordinarily high IQ? There isn't a single person who could do her job better than she was. It's an example of the cream rising to the top.

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  181. @Art Deco
    As to point 4 it’s just a reflexive reaction to the fact that around half of our pundits, media personalities, liberal arts professors and billionaires etc are Jewish,

    Rothman isn't a mover and a shaker. Among opinion journalists, there were well-connected people with the ear of policy-makers - a generation or two ago. Walter Lippman and the Alsop brothers were such in the past, as was George Will ca. 1985. Not so today.

    The notion that 1/2 the 'media personalities', 'liberal arts professors', and 'billionaires' are 'Jewish' is the issue of a mind which doesn't understand fractions.

    https://us.macmillan.com/americasrasputin/davidmilne/9780374531621/

    Walt Rostow’s meteoric rise to power—from Flatbush, Brooklyn, to the West Wing of the White House—seemed to capture the promise of the American dream. Hailing from humble origins, Rostow became an intellectual powerhouse: a professor of economic history at MIT and an influential foreign policy adviser to John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.

    Too influential, according to some. While Rostow inspired respect and affection, he also made some powerful enemies. Averell Harriman, one of America’s most celebrated diplomats, described Rostow as “America’s Rasputin” for the unsavory influence he exerted on presidential decision-making. Rostow was the first to advise Kennedy to send U.S. combat troops to South Vietnam and the first to recommend the bombing of North Vietnam. He framed a policy of military escalation, championed recklessly optimistic reporting, and then advised LBJ against pursuing a compromise peace with North Vietnam.

    David Milne examines one man’s impact on the United States’ worst-ever military defeat. It is a portrait of good intentions and fatal misjudgments. A true ideologue, Rostow believed that it is beholden upon the United States to democratize other nations and do “good,” no matter what the cost. America’s Rasputin explores the consequences of this idealistic but unyielding dogma.

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    The Rostow brothers were academics who held positions in government for a time, not opinion journalists.
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  182. @Whiskey
    Noah Rothman and others certainly have advocated just the open borders globalism and mass Rapefugees for Israel. Sarah Silverman's Rabbi Sister did so until a bunch of Israeli Deplorables sent the African rabble to her house with flyers implying her support for taking them in.

    I thought it hilarious.

    So its not a Jewish thing, its a class thing. Its just that Jewish rich dudes are over-represented in Media and Finance (and totally absent in the Oil business, Aerospace, Steel, and Agribusiness which by the way are equally pozzed). You can predict utterly someone's views outside of Trump himself (but not his idiot daughter or son in law) by wealth, education, and background.

    Now to the substance of Rothman's urgings. I won't dignify them as arguments. Machiavelli argued and has been proven right over and over again that it is better to kill someone than to simply make them poor. Rothman's policies already enacted have made millions of ordinary White Americans and Europeans poorer, so as to a make a few billionaires much much richer and a large part of the Third World better off but not even middle class.

    How many would bet that even the most mild mannered beta male would be an eager killing machine piling up body after body if it meant the prospect of not spending the rest of his life as a WHITE BUM sleeping rough on a park bench? Heck beta males make the best soldiers, they can endure things like the Western Front 1914-18 that an Alpha male would run from in a heartbeat.

    The built up legacy of post WWII prosperity, not blowing up the world in the Cold War, has been erased by elites making Whites much poorer and threatening to drive all of them onto that park bench. If worse comes to worse, there are enough people willing to fight against say, a White Tax as Maxine Waters is pushing and is sure to be part of the Democratic Platform, and the White Male Exclusion Act that most Hollywood whores/actresses are pushing every second they're not making a sex tape with a Rapper that leaks accidentally on purpose.

    If it comes to violence there are plenty of White males who have had military training in fire and maneuver (a recent link off Instapundit has the military concerned about the spread of this to ISIS and Cartel types) and the nation is big enough that revolts in one place and another can thin out the repressive physical arm of the government to the point of ineffectiveness. The Rich hold the West Coast and NorthEast coast and Chicago, Milwaukee, and most Midwestern and Eastern Cities. These are places easily starved out, utterly dependent on the hinterlands for power, food, water, sewage, and fuel. A proposal to say, take every White man's car and house and give it to a Black rapefugee from Africa or Aspiring Rapper or future Cartel member would certainly create an utterly merciless revolt with overt aspects that are certain to be ... unlovely. As would proposals to "conscript" White men into a required labor pool.

    Yes. Rothman has Goolag, Faceborg, Fapple, Amazon, etc. Also most of the government, all of the media, lawyers, judges, etc. The government side will be good in a hot civil war. The rest, not so much, and will be certain to have a lot more to lose than some guy figuring he might as well fight as die on a park bench in the winter.

    Rothman's an idiot -- he and his masters who are equally stupid have so much to lose that pushing for a hot war makes me wonder if he was dropped on his head.

    Jews who advocate open borders for Israel- and there are very, very few- are merely playing a role. They know Israel won’t allow open borders, so it costs them nothing to say that.

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    This. Same thing as megacorporations supporting regulations that will not hurt them but which will annihilate their smaller competitors.
    , @Whiskey
    I take people at their word and in any event Jews who are wealthy and coastal urban have made no secret of desiring open borders. If Bibi is indicted expect open borders and the wall and fences to come down.

    That's disaster for working Israelis but fine for the wealthy and class hatred is very evident in their writings about working class Jews
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  183. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    As to point 4 it’s just a reflexive reaction to the fact that around half of our pundits, media personalities, liberal arts professors and billionaires etc are Jewish,

    Rothman isn't a mover and a shaker. Among opinion journalists, there were well-connected people with the ear of policy-makers - a generation or two ago. Walter Lippman and the Alsop brothers were such in the past, as was George Will ca. 1985. Not so today.

    The notion that 1/2 the 'media personalities', 'liberal arts professors', and 'billionaires' are 'Jewish' is the issue of a mind which doesn't understand fractions.

    “The notion that 1/2 the ‘media personalities’, ‘liberal arts professors’, and ‘billionaires’ are ‘Jewish’ is the issue of a mind which doesn’t understand fractions.”

    So, what do we say about the mind of a person who thinks “My vascular surgeon is Jewish, and he doesn’t control the media, so therefore, NO Jewish people control the media!”?

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    So, what do we say about the mind of a person who thinks “My vascular surgeon is Jewish, and he doesn’t control the media, so therefore, NO Jewish people control the media!”?


    If you were honest, you'd say you cannot understand a simple argument. The mundane reality of Jewish life in the United States escapes you because you're fixated on bond traders, studio executives, and newspaper columnists (mostly on caricatures of same, really).

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don't control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it's not the source of those resentments.
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  184. @Henry Bowman
    ...They fear it so much they are willing to do anything to prevent it, which will in turn cause it to happen...These people NEVER learn.

    The psychological need to feel persecuted is at the core of their culture, and is arguably in their genes.

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  185. @songbird
    I don't really know what to call people like this. "Globalist" seems like such a bland term. It doesn't seem to begin to articulate the scope of his ideological fervor.

    To me, this guy and others like him are just neo-communists. They have essentially the same beliefs, but realized there is more profit in a different business plan. Not a word that really rolls off the tongue though.

    How about Trotskyites. They do, after all, seek a ‘worldwide revolution’ rather than Stalin’s much humbler ‘socialism in one country’.

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  186. @Anonymous
    It's as if "Bolshevism" and "classical liberalism" and "democracy" are just different masks to put on to espouse the same old hatreds.

    Hey–you catch on fast!

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  187. @Whiskey
    Noah Rothman and others certainly have advocated just the open borders globalism and mass Rapefugees for Israel. Sarah Silverman's Rabbi Sister did so until a bunch of Israeli Deplorables sent the African rabble to her house with flyers implying her support for taking them in.

    I thought it hilarious.

    So its not a Jewish thing, its a class thing. Its just that Jewish rich dudes are over-represented in Media and Finance (and totally absent in the Oil business, Aerospace, Steel, and Agribusiness which by the way are equally pozzed). You can predict utterly someone's views outside of Trump himself (but not his idiot daughter or son in law) by wealth, education, and background.

    Now to the substance of Rothman's urgings. I won't dignify them as arguments. Machiavelli argued and has been proven right over and over again that it is better to kill someone than to simply make them poor. Rothman's policies already enacted have made millions of ordinary White Americans and Europeans poorer, so as to a make a few billionaires much much richer and a large part of the Third World better off but not even middle class.

    How many would bet that even the most mild mannered beta male would be an eager killing machine piling up body after body if it meant the prospect of not spending the rest of his life as a WHITE BUM sleeping rough on a park bench? Heck beta males make the best soldiers, they can endure things like the Western Front 1914-18 that an Alpha male would run from in a heartbeat.

    The built up legacy of post WWII prosperity, not blowing up the world in the Cold War, has been erased by elites making Whites much poorer and threatening to drive all of them onto that park bench. If worse comes to worse, there are enough people willing to fight against say, a White Tax as Maxine Waters is pushing and is sure to be part of the Democratic Platform, and the White Male Exclusion Act that most Hollywood whores/actresses are pushing every second they're not making a sex tape with a Rapper that leaks accidentally on purpose.

    If it comes to violence there are plenty of White males who have had military training in fire and maneuver (a recent link off Instapundit has the military concerned about the spread of this to ISIS and Cartel types) and the nation is big enough that revolts in one place and another can thin out the repressive physical arm of the government to the point of ineffectiveness. The Rich hold the West Coast and NorthEast coast and Chicago, Milwaukee, and most Midwestern and Eastern Cities. These are places easily starved out, utterly dependent on the hinterlands for power, food, water, sewage, and fuel. A proposal to say, take every White man's car and house and give it to a Black rapefugee from Africa or Aspiring Rapper or future Cartel member would certainly create an utterly merciless revolt with overt aspects that are certain to be ... unlovely. As would proposals to "conscript" White men into a required labor pool.

    Yes. Rothman has Goolag, Faceborg, Fapple, Amazon, etc. Also most of the government, all of the media, lawyers, judges, etc. The government side will be good in a hot civil war. The rest, not so much, and will be certain to have a lot more to lose than some guy figuring he might as well fight as die on a park bench in the winter.

    Rothman's an idiot -- he and his masters who are equally stupid have so much to lose that pushing for a hot war makes me wonder if he was dropped on his head.

    Goolag, Faceborg, Fapple? Quelqu’un a traîné au Château Heartiste.

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  188. @Anon
    But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …


    Yes and No.

    In any given nation, globalism producer fewer winners(who win bigger than ever) and more losers.

    So, Rothman is clearly wrong...

    But he is right in this sense. Via open borders, the immigrant-invaders can be counted as winners, relatively speaking. Even though most Mexicans in the US and most Muslims in EU don't rise very high -- and often remain poorer than even white populist losers -- , they are relative winners because life in the West is better than life back home.

    So, it's not a case of MORE real winners over losers but dwindling number of real winners allied with relative winners against the native losers(who have less than native winners but generally more than newcomers, the relative winners).

    Most Mexicans in the US are not in the upper crust. They are not winners in the strictest sense of the word. But they 'win' in the sense that they have better lives in the US than in Mexico. So, they count as 'winners of globalism' too. Such little winners are very useful to Big Winners.

    Same thing in EU. Many Muslims and Africans are not winners in the sense of reaching elite status. Many remain mired in the lower classes. Many remain worse than working class whites.
    But they count as 'winners of globalism' since life in the West is better than back home.

    Rothman is a clever creature. He wants to use the Wretched of the Earth against white natives but pretends it's an alliance of Winners. No, it's globalist elites using dregs from the Third World to defeat white natives. Granted, some non-whites do pretty well, especially Asians, but Jews don't feel threatened since Asians are such suckass dogs to status and privilege. They don't have the personality and vision to take command.

    But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …

    Rothman is deliberate vague and misleading about the issue of contention. I agree with Rothman and Trump’s advisers on supporting free trade. That’s a safe issue. And “liberal democracy” is quite vague, it means many different things…

    The big issue of contention is a more open-ish border model of mass immigration to the US and Europe. There, Rothman is in the wrong, and the “populists” are in the moral right.

    Yes, that does create more winners than losers, at least in the short term, but any type of forced redistribution does that. Simply stealing fro one and giving to many, creates more winners than losers, at least in the short term, but it’s terrible and immoral.

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    Sorry to make your point again and so crudely but:

    Gang rape creates more winners than losers.

    Rothman's point is terrible. His article is poorly written.

    Interestingly, it has served as a sort of Rorschach test for the commenters here. They are just as mad as the SJWs.

    Even more interestingly, that seems to be the thesis for Rothman's 2019 book. He'll have gained a lot of insight when perusing this section.

    Can we have a 'Don't Blame Jewish People' month on iSteve?
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  189. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    They're only talking to each other, and any utterances in discord with what they say to each other are treated as static by their minds.

    Look at some of the nonsense Charen uttered. She calls Jean Marie Le Pen a 'Nazi' (he isn't; rehabilitating French collaborators has been one of his projects, not Nazi-ism) and excoriated CPAC for inviting his granddaughter to speak (without any reference to anything the Marion Le Pen has ever said; see M.B. Dougherty for a precis of her actual views; are Eric Hobsbawm's grandchildren too dirty for a CPAC platform?). She insisted someone had made a 'credible charge' contra Roy Moore of 'child molestation' (only if you're a ready mark would you ignore the content, source, and context to the degree you'd have to to call that charge 'credible'). This woman writes about public affairs for a living, she shoots her mouth off about things she knows little about, and fancies herself as having moxie for getting boos and catcalls for her trouble.

    (only if you’re a ready mark would you ignore the content, source, and context to the degree you’d have to to call that charge ‘credible’).

    Or if you were the kind of person who just believes whatever media narrative you’re told to believe. Which, in fact, a lot of people are.

    Which is why it really does kind of matter who controls the media, however much you want to pretend that it doesn’t.

    This woman writes about public affairs for a living, she shoots her mouth off about things she knows little about,

    How can you say that, when she clearly got her job because of an extraordinarily high IQ? There isn’t a single person who could do her job better than she was. It’s an example of the cream rising to the top.

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    She has degrees from Columbia and GW. Her intelligence is more than adequate for the sort of work she performs. She's not intellectually deficient. She's old, phoning it in, and hasn't done much that's intellectually demanding in 30-odd years.

    She's got a law degree, but never practiced (north of a 1/3 of all those receiving law degrees depart the profession after a few years). She landed a public relations job in the Reagan White House in 1984 and that provided her with entree to a half dozen different gigs. Peter Robinson has had a similar career, just a less lucrative and variegated one.
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  190. CCZ says:
    @Anon
    But here’s the thing: The populists are outnumbered. Global free trade and liberal democracy do not benefit everyone equally, but they create vastly more winners than losers. …


    Yes and No.

    In any given nation, globalism producer fewer winners(who win bigger than ever) and more losers.

    So, Rothman is clearly wrong...

    But he is right in this sense. Via open borders, the immigrant-invaders can be counted as winners, relatively speaking. Even though most Mexicans in the US and most Muslims in EU don't rise very high -- and often remain poorer than even white populist losers -- , they are relative winners because life in the West is better than life back home.

    So, it's not a case of MORE real winners over losers but dwindling number of real winners allied with relative winners against the native losers(who have less than native winners but generally more than newcomers, the relative winners).

    Most Mexicans in the US are not in the upper crust. They are not winners in the strictest sense of the word. But they 'win' in the sense that they have better lives in the US than in Mexico. So, they count as 'winners of globalism' too. Such little winners are very useful to Big Winners.

    Same thing in EU. Many Muslims and Africans are not winners in the sense of reaching elite status. Many remain mired in the lower classes. Many remain worse than working class whites.
    But they count as 'winners of globalism' since life in the West is better than back home.

    Rothman is a clever creature. He wants to use the Wretched of the Earth against white natives but pretends it's an alliance of Winners. No, it's globalist elites using dregs from the Third World to defeat white natives. Granted, some non-whites do pretty well, especially Asians, but Jews don't feel threatened since Asians are such suckass dogs to status and privilege. They don't have the personality and vision to take command.

    Deportations, uniting families!!

    USA TODAY: WISCONSIN RAPIDS, Wis. After more than 20 years in the United States, a Wisconsin man was deported to west Africa earlier this week, a federal agency confirmed.
    Buba Jabbi, 41, of Wisconsin Rapids was deported Tuesday and back in Gambia by Wednesday afternoon, according to a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement statement issued Wednesday.
    Jabbi had entered the U.S. in 1995 and overstayed his visa. He was detained Feb. 15 after checking in with federal authorities as he had been directed and was set for deportation based on a judge’s order from 2010.

    If necessary, Jabbi’s wife, Katrina Jabbi, a native of Wisconsin Rapids, said she would move her family almost 5,000 miles to Gambia, a nation of about 2 million people that is almost twice the size of Delaware, to be with her husband.

    Buba Jabbi still has family in Gambia. Despite being separated from him, Katrina Jabbi said she is happy her husband will be able to see his parents for the first time in more than two decades.

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  191. @Elsewhere
    That's not the point. It's great that some Israelis are supportive of Trump. The point is that those opposed to Trumpism on ideological grounds never apply the same arguments to Israel.

    That’s not the point. It’s great that some Israelis are supportive of Trump. The point is that those opposed to Trumpism on ideological grounds never apply the same arguments to Israel.

    No… Many Jews are increasingly applying the exact same arguments to Israel. Bernie Sanders and Jon Stewart jump to mind. Noah Rothman is one of the few that support this bizarre hypocrisy.

    Or read this, that was published this week on Vox

    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/6/17059744/israel-deport-african-migrants-asylum

    The problem for Tesfamariam is that a majority of Israelis seem to support the government push to deport the Africans. Sixty-six percent of Jewish Israelis (and half of Israeli Arabs, who make up 20 percent of Israel’s population) favor the deportation plans, according to a late January poll by the Israel Democracy Institute.

    It’s part of a worldwide wave of anti-immigrant fervor that is playing out in dozens of countries ranging from smaller places like Hungary to larger powers like the US.

    And again, the label “anti-immigrant” is a deliberate slur. Could I call a school that rejects applicants and denies them adission “anti-student”. I don’t hate or even dislike immigrants, but I don’t believe that they have a reasonable claim to demand automatic, full membership into any nation state or tribe of their choice, just because they want it.

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    Many Jews are increasingly applying the exact same arguments to Israel. Bernie Sanders and Jon Stewart jump to mind. Noah Rothman is one of the few that support this bizarre hypocrisy.

    "one of the few", my ass. When they actually let in hundreds of thousands of new Muslims, then I'll believe that only "very few" of them are being hypocritical.
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  192. @BB753
    Steve, you are deluding yourself if you believe the Army will take the side of Deplorables/Populists in a conflict.

    Sadly, I think you’re right. Ultimately, the army–just like the police–will side with whoever cuts their checks … and that ain’t us. If you need an example of what I’m talking about, consider the case of the Bonus Army: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

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    Arguably it goes to the very beginning:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

    The captured participants and the Federal militia arrived in Philadelphia on Christmas Day. Some artillery was fired and church bells were heard as "... a huge throng lined Broad Street to cheer the troops and mock the rebels ... [Presley] Neville said he 'could not help feeling sorry for them. The captured rebels were paraded down Broad Street being 'humiliated, bedragged, [and] half-starved ...'

     

    , @BB753
    Yes, that's the way the world works. Thanks for reminding isteve commenters of the Bonus Army.
    , @AnotherDad

    Sadly, I think you’re right. Ultimately, the army–just like the police–will side with whoever cuts their checks … and that ain’t us. If you need an example of what I’m talking about, consider the case of the Bonus Army
     
    Siding with the check cutters is certainly the way to bet. But don't underestimate the power of the ethnic angle. Neither the suppression of the Bonus Marchers nor Whiskey Rebellion were--at root--asking soldiers to act against their own ethnic group for a foreign other. They were essentially about fiscal matters--veterans bonus and whiskey taxation--where the army/miltia was tasked with enforcing the government's (and check cutter's) position. The soldiers might have agreed with the position of the rebels, but they also felt that the elected government was their legitimate government.

    We'll see how that sort of solidarity with "the state" holds up with a government openly hostile to many of the soldiers' ethnic group, and elected by foreign people's imported to disenfranchise the native people. A lot will depend on the "atmospherics"--how good is the state's propaganda. But it could be a lot messier than just "whoever cuts their checks".
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  193. @Mr. Anon
    Well put. Mind if I quote that?

    It’s all fair game — and fair use.

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  194. @Art Deco
    As to point 4 it’s just a reflexive reaction to the fact that around half of our pundits, media personalities, liberal arts professors and billionaires etc are Jewish,

    Rothman isn't a mover and a shaker. Among opinion journalists, there were well-connected people with the ear of policy-makers - a generation or two ago. Walter Lippman and the Alsop brothers were such in the past, as was George Will ca. 1985. Not so today.

    The notion that 1/2 the 'media personalities', 'liberal arts professors', and 'billionaires' are 'Jewish' is the issue of a mind which doesn't understand fractions.

    The notion that 1/2 the ‘media personalities’, ‘liberal arts professors’, and ‘billionaires’ are ‘Jewish’ is the issue of a mind which doesn’t understand fractions.

    Is the actual fraction closer to 1/2 or to 1/50?

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    Last institution I was associated with, the share of the arts and sciences faculty which was identifiably Jewish was closer to 1/50.
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  195. @Seamus Padraig
    Sadly, I think you're right. Ultimately, the army--just like the police--will side with whoever cuts their checks ... and that ain't us. If you need an example of what I'm talking about, consider the case of the Bonus Army: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

    Arguably it goes to the very beginning:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

    The captured participants and the Federal militia arrived in Philadelphia on Christmas Day. Some artillery was fired and church bells were heard as “… a huge throng lined Broad Street to cheer the troops and mock the rebels … [Presley] Neville said he ‘could not help feeling sorry for them. The captured rebels were paraded down Broad Street being ‘humiliated, bedragged, [and] half-starved …’

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  196. @Anonymous
    I can't help thinking that at root, it's old fashioned west European ethnic contempt, snobbery and feelings of superiority which are responsible for the EU Commission's pompous and condescending attitude towards the east European states.
    For example, the EU was strangely silent when we saw actual examples of human rights abuses in Spain/Catalunya last year.
    Spain is an honorary member of the exclusive western European club.

    Just how come, Switzerland is being overlooked – it sit right in the middle of Europe, has a desnly reguated migration politics and very successful economically – without the Euro, by theway?

    – Not by Steve Bannon, that is: he spoke last week in Zürich and seemed to be really careful in that he made the right connections to the good European traditions of opposing the “invite the world” idea.

    Bannon did not applaud the Austrian right winger Jörg Haider, who had a really troubling half-Nazi past. He praised the very bourgoise Swiss entrepreneur and Publisher and right wing billionaire Christoph Blocher instead. A man, who has been scandalised for a time as well, but who is nowadays way beyond those accusations and a pretty well respected Swiss citizend. – A wise Steve Bannon? At least one who did not speak foolishly at all in Zürich.

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  197. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    That’s not the point. It’s great that some Israelis are supportive of Trump. The point is that those opposed to Trumpism on ideological grounds never apply the same arguments to Israel.
     
    No... Many Jews are increasingly applying the exact same arguments to Israel. Bernie Sanders and Jon Stewart jump to mind. Noah Rothman is one of the few that support this bizarre hypocrisy.

    Or read this, that was published this week on Vox
    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/6/17059744/israel-deport-african-migrants-asylum


    The problem for Tesfamariam is that a majority of Israelis seem to support the government push to deport the Africans. Sixty-six percent of Jewish Israelis (and half of Israeli Arabs, who make up 20 percent of Israel’s population) favor the deportation plans, according to a late January poll by the Israel Democracy Institute.

    It’s part of a worldwide wave of anti-immigrant fervor that is playing out in dozens of countries ranging from smaller places like Hungary to larger powers like the US.
     
    And again, the label "anti-immigrant" is a deliberate slur. Could I call a school that rejects applicants and denies them adission "anti-student". I don't hate or even dislike immigrants, but I don't believe that they have a reasonable claim to demand automatic, full membership into any nation state or tribe of their choice, just because they want it.

    Many Jews are increasingly applying the exact same arguments to Israel. Bernie Sanders and Jon Stewart jump to mind. Noah Rothman is one of the few that support this bizarre hypocrisy.

    “one of the few”, my ass. When they actually let in hundreds of thousands of new Muslims, then I’ll believe that only “very few” of them are being hypocritical.

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  198. Just how come, Switzerland is being overlooked – it is right in the middle of Europe, has highly regulated migration politics and is very successful economically – without the Euro, by the way?

    – Not by Steve Bannon, that is: He spoke last week in Zürich and seemed to be really careful in that he made the right connections to the good European traditions of opposing the “invite the world” idea.

    Bannon did not applaud the Austrian right winger Jörg Haider, who had a really troubling half-Nazi past. He praised the very bourgoise Swiss entrepreneur and Publisher and right wing billionaire Christoph Blocher instead for poineering this field. A man, who has been scandalised for a time as well, but who is nowadays way beyond those accusations and a pretty well respected Swiss citizend. – A wise Steve Bannon? At least one who did not speak foolishly at all in Zürich.

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    Haider didn't have a Nazi past. It was the previous generation in his family which had Nazi affiliations. A very common embarrassment in Austria.

    Switzerland is a model in a qualified way. However, they've imported a mess of guest workers over the years and at times guest workers made up a double-digit share of the population. That is something you should not do. Ever.
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  199. @Staudegger
    Jews who advocate open borders for Israel- and there are very, very few- are merely playing a role. They know Israel won't allow open borders, so it costs them nothing to say that.

    This. Same thing as megacorporations supporting regulations that will not hurt them but which will annihilate their smaller competitors.

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  200. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Funniest shi* I ever read.

    “Domestic Occupation”.

    https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/972121401506385920

    Yes, America is under ‘domestic occupation’.

    Hey!! We are occupied by our own domestic government.

    What a strange and novel idea.

    I thought FOREIGN OCCUPATION was the problem. It’s like Palestinians hating Zionist foreign occupation in West Bank. Or Cubans and Nicaraguans detesting US foreign occupation in the past.
    And Syrians aren’t happy about US and Turkish occupation of whole areas of Syria.

    But Domestic Occupation? What is that? Isn’t the government of a nation supposed to enforce the Law within its borders? Aren’t illegal masses the foreign infiltrators and occupiers? Now, if there were just a few, we might show some compassion. But then are millions and millions of them(possibly over 20 million), and they keep on coming because they see US as a beached whale to gorge on.

    I can see it now… Israelis waking up one day and realizing… “Hey, we are under domestic occupation by our own government representing us as Jews.”

    What horror!

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  201. @Sean

    https://us.macmillan.com/americasrasputin/davidmilne/9780374531621/

    Walt Rostow's meteoric rise to power—from Flatbush, Brooklyn, to the West Wing of the White House—seemed to capture the promise of the American dream. Hailing from humble origins, Rostow became an intellectual powerhouse: a professor of economic history at MIT and an influential foreign policy adviser to John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.

    Too influential, according to some. While Rostow inspired respect and affection, he also made some powerful enemies. Averell Harriman, one of America's most celebrated diplomats, described Rostow as "America's Rasputin" for the unsavory influence he exerted on presidential decision-making. Rostow was the first to advise Kennedy to send U.S. combat troops to South Vietnam and the first to recommend the bombing of North Vietnam. He framed a policy of military escalation, championed recklessly optimistic reporting, and then advised LBJ against pursuing a compromise peace with North Vietnam.

    David Milne examines one man's impact on the United States' worst-ever military defeat. It is a portrait of good intentions and fatal misjudgments. A true ideologue, Rostow believed that it is beholden upon the United States to democratize other nations and do "good," no matter what the cost. America's Rasputin explores the consequences of this idealistic but unyielding dogma.
     

    The Rostow brothers were academics who held positions in government for a time, not opinion journalists.

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  202. @anon
    "The notion that 1/2 the ‘media personalities’, ‘liberal arts professors’, and ‘billionaires’ are ‘Jewish’ is the issue of a mind which doesn’t understand fractions."

    So, what do we say about the mind of a person who thinks "My vascular surgeon is Jewish, and he doesn't control the media, so therefore, NO Jewish people control the media!"?

    So, what do we say about the mind of a person who thinks “My vascular surgeon is Jewish, and he doesn’t control the media, so therefore, NO Jewish people control the media!”?

    If you were honest, you’d say you cannot understand a simple argument. The mundane reality of Jewish life in the United States escapes you because you’re fixated on bond traders, studio executives, and newspaper columnists (mostly on caricatures of same, really).

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don’t control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it’s not the source of those resentments.

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    The mundane reality of Jewish life in the United States escapes you because you’re fixated on bond traders, studio executives, and newspaper columnists

    I'm not particularly concerned with their mundane lives. They certainly don't seem particularly interested in the mundane aspects of my life, except insofar as they can figure out ways to screw it up with diversity or something like that.

    "There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don’t control the media."

    Oh really? So who does? The "Scotch-Irish"? Please tell me.

    "Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it’s not the source of those resentments."

    You know, that's really funny, when YOU YOURSELF point out how bad your little pets, like Mona Charen, actually are at what they're supposed to do.

    But honestly, the only reason I care about powerful groups being dominated by people who despise me is because Hy Greenberg turned me down for a promotion. You've figured it out.

    You know, if you were at least getting paid for your shilling, at least I could respect that.

    , @lavoisier

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don’t control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it’s not the source of those resentments.
     
    I am not sure if you are being serious here or not. How exactly do you define media? And what do you define as control?

    If I were to argue (and provide evidence) that Hollywood, the major television networks such as CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and print journals such as the Wall Street Journal, Economist, NY Times, etc.are owned and run by persons who are Jewish would you consider that evidence of control? And if we add in new media like Facebook, Google, and You Tube and notice Jewish ownership of these powerful organizations is not that also evidence of control?

    I am not sure how you define control, but it sure seems like the appropriate word to use in this context.

    , @Mr. Anon
    You didn't answer is question? Which is it closer to? 1/2 or 1/50? Which is it?

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don’t control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it’s not the source of those resentments.
     
    When a single cohesive group has a wildly disproportionate presence, both in people, and in money in an influential sector, it is significant. Personnel (and money) is policy. It matters who does what.

    Tell us,..........are you stupid, or are you a liar? Or are you a stupid liar? One thing you certainly are is a contemptible nitwit.

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  203. @Dieter Kief
    Just how come, Switzerland is being overlooked - it is right in the middle of Europe, has highly regulated migration politics and is very successful economically - without the Euro, by the way?

    - Not by Steve Bannon, that is: He spoke last week in Zürich and seemed to be really careful in that he made the right connections to the good European traditions of opposing the "invite the world" idea.

    Bannon did not applaud the Austrian right winger Jörg Haider, who had a really troubling half-Nazi past. He praised the very bourgoise Swiss entrepreneur and Publisher and right wing billionaire Christoph Blocher instead for poineering this field. A man, who has been scandalised for a time as well, but who is nowadays way beyond those accusations and a pretty well respected Swiss citizend. - A wise Steve Bannon? At least one who did not speak foolishly at all in Zürich.

    Haider didn’t have a Nazi past. It was the previous generation in his family which had Nazi affiliations. A very common embarrassment in Austria.

    Switzerland is a model in a qualified way. However, they’ve imported a mess of guest workers over the years and at times guest workers made up a double-digit share of the population. That is something you should not do. Ever.

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    Haider was a "Nazi" in the current sense (unapologetically right-wing and unwilling to go along with diversification). He also told jokes a long time ago, which is an unforgivable crime in the EU depending on what the jokes are.
    , @AnotherDad

    Switzerland is a model in a qualified way. However, they’ve imported a mess of guest workers over the years and at times guest workers made up a double-digit share of the population. That is something you should not do. Ever.
     
    Well said. There is no excuse for a "guest worker". If you need workers to do something you own population can't/won't do ... then you should not be doing it. And, of course, "guest workers" frequently stop being "guests" and become foreign invaders.
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  204. @istevefan

    The notion that 1/2 the ‘media personalities’, ‘liberal arts professors’, and ‘billionaires’ are ‘Jewish’ is the issue of a mind which doesn’t understand fractions.
     
    Is the actual fraction closer to 1/2 or to 1/50?

    Last institution I was associated with, the share of the arts and sciences faculty which was identifiably Jewish was closer to 1/50.

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    University of Phoenix or Devry Institute?
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  205. @anon
    (only if you’re a ready mark would you ignore the content, source, and context to the degree you’d have to to call that charge ‘credible’).

    Or if you were the kind of person who just believes whatever media narrative you're told to believe. Which, in fact, a lot of people are.

    Which is why it really does kind of matter who controls the media, however much you want to pretend that it doesn't.

    This woman writes about public affairs for a living, she shoots her mouth off about things she knows little about,

    How can you say that, when she clearly got her job because of an extraordinarily high IQ? There isn't a single person who could do her job better than she was. It's an example of the cream rising to the top.

    She has degrees from Columbia and GW. Her intelligence is more than adequate for the sort of work she performs. She’s not intellectually deficient. She’s old, phoning it in, and hasn’t done much that’s intellectually demanding in 30-odd years.

    She’s got a law degree, but never practiced (north of a 1/3 of all those receiving law degrees depart the profession after a few years). She landed a public relations job in the Reagan White House in 1984 and that provided her with entree to a half dozen different gigs. Peter Robinson has had a similar career, just a less lucrative and variegated one.

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    She has degrees from Columbia and GW. Her intelligence is more than adequate for the sort of work she performs. She’s not intellectually deficient.

    So you think she's just naturally dishonest then?

    Am I allowed to be concerned about intelligent but naturally dishonest people being overrepresented in the media?
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  206. @Seamus Padraig
    Sadly, I think you're right. Ultimately, the army--just like the police--will side with whoever cuts their checks ... and that ain't us. If you need an example of what I'm talking about, consider the case of the Bonus Army: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

    Yes, that’s the way the world works. Thanks for reminding isteve commenters of the Bonus Army.

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  207. @candid_observer
    The morally obscene thing about Rothman's suggestion is that he does not even bring up the most obvious sticking point: how does any of his program square with democracy?

    If populism is -- what a surprise -- popular with the voters of a country, how does it get undone?

    One surmises that it is democracy itself that Rothman is after.

    Who's the real fascist here?

    The morally obscene thing about Rothman’s suggestion is that he does not even bring up the most obvious sticking point: how does any of his program square with democracy?

    I’d think it’s pretty clear by now, but there’s very little democratic–or more precisely “republican”–feeling in a lot (most?) Jews. It’s fine among Jews themselves–in Israel–but is not something truly “felt” when it comes to gentile nations they live in.

    What we’ve seen in the last 50 years of the Jewish rise and dominance in the US, is most decision making removed from republican governance. The “progressive” program is achieved pretty much entirely by have the courts dictating that the official elite opinion–formed in the heavily Jewish milieu (from academia to journalism)–as the law of the land. What isn’t decided there is decided by the permanent bureaucracy. And both the courts and bureaucracy now have a resistant, anti-republican “we know better” attitude.

    I think American style republicanism–nation of self-reliant citizens, making decisions for their own–has very little appeal to this group. What they like–again if operating in gentile nations–is something more imperial with a central administration keeping any ethnic resentments in line, and having a meritocratic elite of smart people, the “experts” make policy.

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    What we’ve seen in the last 50 years of the Jewish rise and dominance in the US, is most decision making removed from republican governance.

    There is no Jewish rise and dominance outside of your imagination and the ruin of representative institutions has required the co-operation of the whole political class. It's pretty simple to use the appropriations process to shut down a federal district court. It's just not done. Congress did give the federal courts a whiff of grapeshot in 1981 when a rider was placed on an appropriations bill debarring the use of federal funds to enforce busing orders. A dramatic decline in the frequency of Garrity-seizures of local school districts ensued.

    That aside, run down the list of Supreme Court justices in 1958 when the Court declared in one of their rulings that the Constitution was what they said it was. Felix Frankfurter was the only Jew on the court at the time, and he'd been skeptical of various sketchy initiatives his whole time thereon. The Court which handed down Roe v. Wade in 1973 had no Jews on it. The court which handed down the Webster travesty in 1992 had no Jews on it. The court which handed down the Romer decision had two (of nine). The Court which handed down Obergefell had three. The New York appeals court which refused to impose homosexual pseudogamy was presided over by Judish S. Kaye, btw.

    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    What we’ve seen in the last 50 years of the Jewish rise and dominance in the US, is most decision making removed from republican governance.

    LOfuckingL.

    We've seen a few Jews enter the Robber Baron-Plutocrat class, which would have been predictable to anyone with eyes to see, that's all.

    The Robber Baron-Plutocrat class has run the US since the end of the Civil War. I would suggest you read a few books but I'm sure that's beyond you, so rent The Men Who Built America, a DVD series of a History Channel show. It's pretty good.

    "The business of America is business," said some Protestant.
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  208. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    She has degrees from Columbia and GW. Her intelligence is more than adequate for the sort of work she performs. She's not intellectually deficient. She's old, phoning it in, and hasn't done much that's intellectually demanding in 30-odd years.

    She's got a law degree, but never practiced (north of a 1/3 of all those receiving law degrees depart the profession after a few years). She landed a public relations job in the Reagan White House in 1984 and that provided her with entree to a half dozen different gigs. Peter Robinson has had a similar career, just a less lucrative and variegated one.

    She has degrees from Columbia and GW. Her intelligence is more than adequate for the sort of work she performs. She’s not intellectually deficient.

    So you think she’s just naturally dishonest then?

    Am I allowed to be concerned about intelligent but naturally dishonest people being overrepresented in the media?

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    So you think she’s just naturally dishonest then?

    I doubt she's averse to the games people play when they're trying to make a point. That's not unusual among people who argue for a living. Mostly I think she's sloppy, as noted, and she assesses news stories with templates in her head (which is not what she should do but what people commonly do).
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  209. @The Z Blog
    I'm one of those guys who finds the endless JQ obsession of the alt-right tiresome, but my goodness. It's as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right.

    I’m one of those guys who finds the endless JQ obsession of the alt-right tiresome …

    Z, you can find it tiresome–and yeah honestly (like the black dysfunction problem) it would be nice if we didn’t have to deal with it.

    But the Jewish issue is real whether you like it or not. It is not the only issue. As i’ve pointed out the crisis–no doubt why we’re in such a crisis–has many contributing factors:

    1) Jewish minoritarianism/anti-nationalism coupled with Jewish prominence and influence.

    2) The women problem–emotional, anti-rational thinking and misplaced nurturing.

    3) The big state problem–”diversity is the health of the state”–and big state (left) parties attempting to replace white voters with less competent more state dependent and reliable minority voters.

    4) Capitalism pushing open markets and grasping for cheap labor.

    5) Christian “brother’s in Christ”, “all God’s children” universalism.

    and all in the context of

    0) White gentiles openness, high-trust, high-affective empathy, being great qualities for building society among ourselves, but leaving us too trusting and susceptible to allowing outsiders in and being exploited and abused by them.

    All of these are obvious problems contributing the crisis. (And maybe folks have some other clear factors.) Jewish ideology/behavior is far from the only factor in the West’s crisis, but pretending it isn’t a problem is wishful thinking.

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    "4) Capitalism pushing open markets and grasping for cheap labor."

    In all fairness, this should be titled "the men problem."

    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    What we’ve seen in the last 50 years of the Jewish rise and dominance in the US, is most decision making removed from republican governance.

    LOfuckingL.

    We've seen a few Jews enter the Robber Baron-Plutocrat class, which would have been predictable to anyone with eyes to see, that's all.

    The Robber Baron-Plutocrat class has run the US since the end of the Civil War. I would suggest you read a few books but I'm sure that's beyond you, so rent The Men Who Built America, a DVD series of a History Channel show. It's pretty good.

    "The business of America is business," said some Protestant.
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  210. @David In TN
    By the term "vastly numerically inferior," Rothman is looking forward to whites being in the minority.

    We already are (8%). That’s why he said we’re “vastly numerically inferior.” We are only the majority in our own countries, which aren’t being run for our benefit anyway.

    He is openly admitting that he is allied with foreigners over Americans destroyed by globalism.

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  211. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    So, what do we say about the mind of a person who thinks “My vascular surgeon is Jewish, and he doesn’t control the media, so therefore, NO Jewish people control the media!”?


    If you were honest, you'd say you cannot understand a simple argument. The mundane reality of Jewish life in the United States escapes you because you're fixated on bond traders, studio executives, and newspaper columnists (mostly on caricatures of same, really).

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don't control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it's not the source of those resentments.

    The mundane reality of Jewish life in the United States escapes you because you’re fixated on bond traders, studio executives, and newspaper columnists

    I’m not particularly concerned with their mundane lives. They certainly don’t seem particularly interested in the mundane aspects of my life, except insofar as they can figure out ways to screw it up with diversity or something like that.

    “There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don’t control the media.”

    Oh really? So who does? The “Scotch-Irish”? Please tell me.

    “Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it’s not the source of those resentments.”

    You know, that’s really funny, when YOU YOURSELF point out how bad your little pets, like Mona Charen, actually are at what they’re supposed to do.

    But honestly, the only reason I care about powerful groups being dominated by people who despise me is because Hy Greenberg turned me down for a promotion. You’ve figured it out.

    You know, if you were at least getting paid for your shilling, at least I could respect that.

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  212. @AnotherDad

    I’m one of those guys who finds the endless JQ obsession of the alt-right tiresome ...
     
    Z, you can find it tiresome--and yeah honestly (like the black dysfunction problem) it would be nice if we didn't have to deal with it.

    But the Jewish issue is real whether you like it or not. It is not the only issue. As i've pointed out the crisis--no doubt why we're in such a crisis--has many contributing factors:

    1) Jewish minoritarianism/anti-nationalism coupled with Jewish prominence and influence.

    2) The women problem--emotional, anti-rational thinking and misplaced nurturing.

    3) The big state problem--"diversity is the health of the state"--and big state (left) parties attempting to replace white voters with less competent more state dependent and reliable minority voters.

    4) Capitalism pushing open markets and grasping for cheap labor.

    5) Christian "brother's in Christ", "all God's children" universalism.

    and all in the context of

    0) White gentiles openness, high-trust, high-affective empathy, being great qualities for building society among ourselves, but leaving us too trusting and susceptible to allowing outsiders in and being exploited and abused by them.

    All of these are obvious problems contributing the crisis. (And maybe folks have some other clear factors.) Jewish ideology/behavior is far from the only factor in the West's crisis, but pretending it isn't a problem is wishful thinking.

    “4) Capitalism pushing open markets and grasping for cheap labor.”

    In all fairness, this should be titled “the men problem.”

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    Ayn Rand was not a woman then?

    I do agree that the "women problem" doesn't exist. The intersectional feminist problem, however, that's a real threat.
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  213. That leftists would become radicalized in response to the questioning of the Administrative State and Multiculturalism, I had no doubt

    How are they going to respond is a serious question though and who will be striked first? Poland and Hungary? Because what other countries have “slipped away from democracy”?

    Say that the populist fire gets extinguished. What does that mean? What do you do next? Do you start giving money to migrants to settle in those countries? Trump supporters get destroyed. Is your next step bringing in even more Mexicans, Africans, Asians and such?

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  214. @Lot
    I think it is just some generic MacDonald style blood libel, but if it is a specific claim of hereditary guilt is just as bad.

    This is an HBD site, isn’t it? Rather than “blood libel” or “hereditary guilt”, wouldn’t it just be an HBD view that behavioral traits tend to run in families?

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  215. @AnotherDad

    The morally obscene thing about Rothman’s suggestion is that he does not even bring up the most obvious sticking point: how does any of his program square with democracy?
     
    I'd think it's pretty clear by now, but there's very little democratic--or more precisely "republican"--feeling in a lot (most?) Jews. It's fine among Jews themselves--in Israel--but is not something truly "felt" when it comes to gentile nations they live in.

    What we've seen in the last 50 years of the Jewish rise and dominance in the US, is most decision making removed from republican governance. The "progressive" program is achieved pretty much entirely by have the courts dictating that the official elite opinion--formed in the heavily Jewish milieu (from academia to journalism)--as the law of the land. What isn't decided there is decided by the permanent bureaucracy. And both the courts and bureaucracy now have a resistant, anti-republican "we know better" attitude.

    I think American style republicanism--nation of self-reliant citizens, making decisions for their own--has very little appeal to this group. What they like--again if operating in gentile nations--is something more imperial with a central administration keeping any ethnic resentments in line, and having a meritocratic elite of smart people, the "experts" make policy.

    What we’ve seen in the last 50 years of the Jewish rise and dominance in the US, is most decision making removed from republican governance.

    There is no Jewish rise and dominance outside of your imagination and the ruin of representative institutions has required the co-operation of the whole political class. It’s pretty simple to use the appropriations process to shut down a federal district court. It’s just not done. Congress did give the federal courts a whiff of grapeshot in 1981 when a rider was placed on an appropriations bill debarring the use of federal funds to enforce busing orders. A dramatic decline in the frequency of Garrity-seizures of local school districts ensued.

    That aside, run down the list of Supreme Court justices in 1958 when the Court declared in one of their rulings that the Constitution was what they said it was. Felix Frankfurter was the only Jew on the court at the time, and he’d been skeptical of various sketchy initiatives his whole time thereon. The Court which handed down Roe v. Wade in 1973 had no Jews on it. The court which handed down the Webster travesty in 1992 had no Jews on it. The court which handed down the Romer decision had two (of nine). The Court which handed down Obergefell had three. The New York appeals court which refused to impose homosexual pseudogamy was presided over by Judish S. Kaye, btw.

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    There is no Jewish rise and dominance outside of your imagination

    Is that why the media allows such a robust discussion of Jewish influence and the promotion of Jewish interests?

    Or are you going to tell me that there's also no such thing as "Jewish interests" now too?
    , @ben tillman

    That aside, run down the list of Supreme Court justices in 1958 when the Court declared in one of their rulings that the Constitution was what they said it was. Felix Frankfurter was the only Jew on the court at the time . . . .
     
    Familiarize yourself with the concept of "extended phenotype".
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  216. @Staudegger
    Jews who advocate open borders for Israel- and there are very, very few- are merely playing a role. They know Israel won't allow open borders, so it costs them nothing to say that.

    I take people at their word and in any event Jews who are wealthy and coastal urban have made no secret of desiring open borders. If Bibi is indicted expect open borders and the wall and fences to come down.

    That’s disaster for working Israelis but fine for the wealthy and class hatred is very evident in their writings about working class Jews

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    I take people at their word and in any event Jews who are wealthy and coastal urban have made no secret of desiring open borders.

    So Israel is just unique in that wealthy, influential people have no influence. Is that what we're expected to believe?

    Would you look at what you're doing to yourself, Whiskey?

    , @AnotherDad

    I take people at their word and in any event Jews who are wealthy and coastal urban have made no secret of desiring open borders. If Bibi is indicted expect open borders and the wall and fences to come down.
     
    Seriously, even you can't believe that.

    How much support is there in Israel for opne borders? Aside from some Arabs playing the long game figuring it would weaken the Jews? Uh ... none. Ok, three autistic libertarian utopians off in a university somewhere.

    Israel is a serious nation, surrounded by ethnically hostile neighbors, with an elite who is actually of the same people as the populace, and not open, high-trust, white gentiles easily cowed by PC propaganda. Open borders is not on the menu.
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  217. @anon
    She has degrees from Columbia and GW. Her intelligence is more than adequate for the sort of work she performs. She’s not intellectually deficient.

    So you think she's just naturally dishonest then?

    Am I allowed to be concerned about intelligent but naturally dishonest people being overrepresented in the media?

    So you think she’s just naturally dishonest then?

    I doubt she’s averse to the games people play when they’re trying to make a point. That’s not unusual among people who argue for a living. Mostly I think she’s sloppy, as noted, and she assesses news stories with templates in her head (which is not what she should do but what people commonly do).

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    That’s not unusual among people who argue for a living.

    Is that a dog-whistle, Art?

    Mostly I think she’s sloppy,

    Is it all right for me to wonder why so many sloppy people have such high positions in the media, when there are plenty of non-sloppy people who could do their jobs better? Or is that more evidence of nefarious intent?
    , @Mr. Anon

    I doubt she’s averse to the games people play when they’re trying to make a point. That’s not unusual among people who argue for a living.
     
    Yes, we've noticed it in you, drone.
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  218. @Mr. Anon

    His thoughts are collected into a pointless mess, not a threat.
     
    I'll decide what I consider a threat. There are any number of commentators who now nakedly display their animus against ordinary traditional white people - saying we need to be replaced, put in our place, now even defeated. It's a campaign of insult intended to stir up political action. Why do you think people comment at places like Commentary? To NOT be taken seriously?

    This bloke and this article is not that. It’s pitiable really.

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  219. @Art Deco
    Haider didn't have a Nazi past. It was the previous generation in his family which had Nazi affiliations. A very common embarrassment in Austria.

    Switzerland is a model in a qualified way. However, they've imported a mess of guest workers over the years and at times guest workers made up a double-digit share of the population. That is something you should not do. Ever.

    Haider was a “Nazi” in the current sense (unapologetically right-wing and unwilling to go along with diversification). He also told jokes a long time ago, which is an unforgivable crime in the EU depending on what the jokes are.

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  220. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    So you think she’s just naturally dishonest then?

    I doubt she's averse to the games people play when they're trying to make a point. That's not unusual among people who argue for a living. Mostly I think she's sloppy, as noted, and she assesses news stories with templates in her head (which is not what she should do but what people commonly do).

    That’s not unusual among people who argue for a living.

    Is that a dog-whistle, Art?

    Mostly I think she’s sloppy,

    Is it all right for me to wonder why so many sloppy people have such high positions in the media, when there are plenty of non-sloppy people who could do their jobs better? Or is that more evidence of nefarious intent?

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  221. @Art Deco
    What we’ve seen in the last 50 years of the Jewish rise and dominance in the US, is most decision making removed from republican governance.

    There is no Jewish rise and dominance outside of your imagination and the ruin of representative institutions has required the co-operation of the whole political class. It's pretty simple to use the appropriations process to shut down a federal district court. It's just not done. Congress did give the federal courts a whiff of grapeshot in 1981 when a rider was placed on an appropriations bill debarring the use of federal funds to enforce busing orders. A dramatic decline in the frequency of Garrity-seizures of local school districts ensued.

    That aside, run down the list of Supreme Court justices in 1958 when the Court declared in one of their rulings that the Constitution was what they said it was. Felix Frankfurter was the only Jew on the court at the time, and he'd been skeptical of various sketchy initiatives his whole time thereon. The Court which handed down Roe v. Wade in 1973 had no Jews on it. The court which handed down the Webster travesty in 1992 had no Jews on it. The court which handed down the Romer decision had two (of nine). The Court which handed down Obergefell had three. The New York appeals court which refused to impose homosexual pseudogamy was presided over by Judish S. Kaye, btw.

    There is no Jewish rise and dominance outside of your imagination

    Is that why the media allows such a robust discussion of Jewish influence and the promotion of Jewish interests?

    Or are you going to tell me that there’s also no such thing as “Jewish interests” now too?

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    "Or are you going to tell me that there’s also no such thing as “Jewish interests” now too?"

    I'm not a part of this argument but... no, there isn't such a thing as "Jewish interests" in the sense that you mean it, which is in the Kevin McDonald sense of destroying their "host society."

    It's in in the interest of Jews (not the same thing) to see that the US regains a modicum of stability and survives. People disagree as to how best to do this. See under: Civil War, 1861-1865.

    Last I checked, Jews had nothing to do with that one, although I'm sure you'll figure something out.
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  222. Noah’s hubris reminds me of the infamous Obama quote on flyover land of one “clinging to there guns” So yeah Noah with statements like yours and Obama’s, why does one cling to there guns?

    Just a reminder Noah, in case it comes to that. We’ve spent nearly a trillion dollars trying to pacify and bring Afghanistan into the globalist world. It will probably cost another two trillion in future costs if not more. Yet somehow they’ve been able to fight off the collective might of the USA & NATO, the most technologically advanced military in history with old AK’s, RPG’s and IED’s. And there is no end in sight. I’m not drawing any analogies here or am I? ;-)

    Has anyone else made a Noah’s flood joke? You know that’s one way of getting rid of the populist.

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  223. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    I take people at their word and in any event Jews who are wealthy and coastal urban have made no secret of desiring open borders. If Bibi is indicted expect open borders and the wall and fences to come down.

    That's disaster for working Israelis but fine for the wealthy and class hatred is very evident in their writings about working class Jews

    I take people at their word and in any event Jews who are wealthy and coastal urban have made no secret of desiring open borders.

    So Israel is just unique in that wealthy, influential people have no influence. Is that what we’re expected to believe?

    Would you look at what you’re doing to yourself, Whiskey?

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  224. @Busby
    It's more likely American armed forces would stand aside from a conflict between the citizens and the state.

    It’s more likely that our all “volunteer” armed forces will consider their paychecks first . That’s why we don’t have a draft .

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  225. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    UK liberal abolitionists did not have an immigration policy because UK was a large net exporter of people. In the USA their views were mixed toward the largely German and Irish immigrants of the 1840s and 1850s. The largely abolitionist Americans who first settled California were very opposed to Asian immigration a few decades later.

    The opposition to Asian immigration in California was mainly driven by the working class and labor organizations and leaders, which included many, especially Irish, immigrants, like Denis Kearney and the Workingmen’s Party. Those from an abolitionist background, like Hubert Bancroft, tended to be more upper class and less opposed to Asian immigration, perhaps for economic and class reasons, as they feared working class and socialist agitation.

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  226. @Berty
    What a douchebag.

    What a douchebag.

    Evil douchebag.

    His desire is to wreck nations and genocide peoples. Beyond mere douchebaggery.

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  227. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Karl
    7 The Z Blog > but my goodness. It’s as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right


    it's not Likud's fault that iSteve spends all of his money and energy, reading periodicals like _Commentary_

    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz..... and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man's house. I see speechmaking

    The self-styled "white nationalist" blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family's life. Contrast that with their endless complaints about Jews of the world sending their kids to the Israel Defense Force to actually man checkpoints.

    The caliphate-ists have a better track record of ===action=== than the whites.

    If you were a dispassionate bookie, who would you place odds on to win the horse race?

    it’s not Likud’s fault that iSteve spends all of his money and energy, reading periodicals like _Commentary_

    No, nor is anyone holding a gun to the Chosen People’s heads, and making them work tirelessly against our interests. If they want us to stop noticing it, they’re free to stop doing it whenever they like.

    If you were a dispassionate bookie, who would you place odds on to win the horse race?

    Fair enough, but keep in mind the fact that you need us a lot more than we need you. If we lose, you lose.

    So it’s interesting to watch the Chosen People yet again doing everything in their power to get themselves wrecked. It’s like a compulsion for you people.

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  228. @Karl
    7 The Z Blog > but my goodness. It’s as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right


    it's not Likud's fault that iSteve spends all of his money and energy, reading periodicals like _Commentary_

    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz..... and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man's house. I see speechmaking

    The self-styled "white nationalist" blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family's life. Contrast that with their endless complaints about Jews of the world sending their kids to the Israel Defense Force to actually man checkpoints.

    The caliphate-ists have a better track record of ===action=== than the whites.

    If you were a dispassionate bookie, who would you place odds on to win the horse race?

    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz….. and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man’s house. I see speechmaking

    The self-styled “white nationalist” blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family’s life. Contrast that with their endless complaints about Jews of the world sending their kids to the Israel Defense Force to actually man checkpoints.

    Karl, this doesn’t even deserve a response. It’s the sort of openly disingenous Jewish verbal b.s. that makes Jews as beloved as used car dealers.

    The obvious–the Jews have a state and an active–or at least “cold”–war with their neighbors. A Jewish kid wanting to feel some ethnic solidarity with his tribe can go there and be part of something. (And furthermore white nationalists are not complaining about Jewish kids doing this, they are pointing out where their loyalties lie and the double standard of much Jewish anti-nationalist commentary.)

    There is a conflict in South Africa but it’s not *the* conflict for white survival. Push come to shove, the Boer’s weren’t willing to cede territory and lifestyle in order to hack out a separate truly Boer nation for themselves. Their choice. If the shit really hits the fan and they decide to do so–at this rather late date–you will see some motivated white nationalists actuall go there to fight. But there is no such fight going on there now.

    And what exactly is a white gentile going to do manning the barricades in Malmo or Rotherham or Ferguson? Uh … nothing. We simply aren’t at the stage of having an armed struggle. Again if/when there is an actual conflict–say a bunch of rural Swedes decide to secede from their diversitopia and setup a Swedish Republic–i have no doubt you’ll see whites from all over willing to come help them fight. Going there now and waving your gun around will get you what? Arrested? (Heck going to England and just saying Muslims aren’t English, will get you arrested!)

    That’s simply not where the fight is now. We still have elections. The fight to save the West is still primarily an ideological one. Winning against the–heavily Jewish–anti-white, anti-nationalist–propaganda.

    You mock and dismiss what Steve does but it’s orders of magnitude more important in terms of our survival than some Jewish kid volunteering for his IDF ethno-solidarity-experience. (Heck, it’s actually even way more important even forJewish survival, as the Jewish program of utopian globalism seems more motivated by ethnic reflex and animus than clear thinking. It’s hard to see how a post-Western, post-white world is actually going to be “good for the Jews”.) People like Steve and Coulter are out there helping white people wake up and–particularly in Steve’s case–think more clearly and logically about basic human and mathematical realities, and improve their ability to shuck off the globo-establishments avalanche of bullshit.

    Getting white people to think clearly about reality is precisely where the battle is. When we get anywhere near 50% of white people “woke” … please. Your “action” generating caliphate-ists and your suburban Jewish IDF checkpoint manning vacationers will be swarthy shadows of the “action” white boys can bring when they are motivated.

    But right now–it’s precisely about getting one’s friends, neighbors, relatives, to wake up and smell the crisis. Steve’s on the front line.

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    Jews are an ethnic group of about 15 million people. White people aren't an ethnic group. White is a racial classification that encompasses various groups. White people becoming an ethnic group like the Jews would require white people to become small in numbers and going through a similar historical experience as the Jews did.
    , @J.Ross
    Absolutely right. And I find Karl's counter-example to be ... oddly specific ...

    If you really were a big bad Nazi like I declared you to be, you'd come over here right now and vaccuum.
     
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  229. I’m one of those guys who finds the endless JQ obsession of the alt-right tiresome, but my goodness. It’s as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right.

    “I’m not a racist, but…”

    I’m sorry…you were saying something about what you find tiresome?

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  230. @Art Deco
    So, what do we say about the mind of a person who thinks “My vascular surgeon is Jewish, and he doesn’t control the media, so therefore, NO Jewish people control the media!”?


    If you were honest, you'd say you cannot understand a simple argument. The mundane reality of Jewish life in the United States escapes you because you're fixated on bond traders, studio executives, and newspaper columnists (mostly on caricatures of same, really).

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don't control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it's not the source of those resentments.

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don’t control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it’s not the source of those resentments.

    I am not sure if you are being serious here or not. How exactly do you define media? And what do you define as control?

    If I were to argue (and provide evidence) that Hollywood, the major television networks such as CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and print journals such as the Wall Street Journal, Economist, NY Times, etc.are owned and run by persons who are Jewish would you consider that evidence of control? And if we add in new media like Facebook, Google, and You Tube and notice Jewish ownership of these powerful organizations is not that also evidence of control?

    I am not sure how you define control, but it sure seems like the appropriate word to use in this context.

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    I am not sure if you are being serious here or not.
     
    He is always serious. And always stupid.
    , @Tyrion 2
    They're not though. That table that did the rounds is nonsense. The majority of individuals on it weren't Jewish and it even cherry-picked the media institutions it listed.
    , @Art Deco
    How exactly do you define media? And what do you define as control?

    If it helps you feel better, define 'media' and 'control' any way you care to. Just don't pester normal people with your intramural wheel-spinning.


    'Media' isn't that difficult to define. Publishing, broadcasting, studio production, advertising, and the internet analogues will do. You can stretch it a bit and add stage production, FWIW.

    Film studios actually were mostly owned and run by Jewish businessmen after the industry sorted itself out during the period running from 1910 to 1929 (United Artists and Disney the exceptions). Network broadcasting was foundationally Jewish in its senior management (NBC) or management and ownership (CBS). The position of Jewish businessmen in broadcasting began to decline with the founding of Mutual in 1934; after that you saw the foundation of ABC, DuMont, PBS, and the retirement of David Sarnoff. Film production has seen a 70 year slide in its cultural significance, though some of the slack was taken up by television production which drew from some of the same social segments.

    While we're at it, no one forced anyone to buy what Wm. Paley and Louis B. Meyer were selling.
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  231. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad


    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz….. and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man’s house. I see speechmaking

    The self-styled “white nationalist” blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family’s life. Contrast that with their endless complaints about Jews of the world sending their kids to the Israel Defense Force to actually man checkpoints.
     
    Karl, this doesn't even deserve a response. It's the sort of openly disingenous Jewish verbal b.s. that makes Jews as beloved as used car dealers.

    The obvious--the Jews have a state and an active--or at least "cold"--war with their neighbors. A Jewish kid wanting to feel some ethnic solidarity with his tribe can go there and be part of something. (And furthermore white nationalists are not complaining about Jewish kids doing this, they are pointing out where their loyalties lie and the double standard of much Jewish anti-nationalist commentary.)

    There is a conflict in South Africa but it's not *the* conflict for white survival. Push come to shove, the Boer's weren't willing to cede territory and lifestyle in order to hack out a separate truly Boer nation for themselves. Their choice. If the shit really hits the fan and they decide to do so--at this rather late date--you will see some motivated white nationalists actuall go there to fight. But there is no such fight going on there now.

    And what exactly is a white gentile going to do manning the barricades in Malmo or Rotherham or Ferguson? Uh ... nothing. We simply aren't at the stage of having an armed struggle. Again if/when there is an actual conflict--say a bunch of rural Swedes decide to secede from their diversitopia and setup a Swedish Republic--i have no doubt you'll see whites from all over willing to come help them fight. Going there now and waving your gun around will get you what? Arrested? (Heck going to England and just saying Muslims aren't English, will get you arrested!)

    That's simply not where the fight is now. We still have elections. The fight to save the West is still primarily an ideological one. Winning against the--heavily Jewish--anti-white, anti-nationalist--propaganda.

    You mock and dismiss what Steve does but it's orders of magnitude more important in terms of our survival than some Jewish kid volunteering for his IDF ethno-solidarity-experience. (Heck, it's actually even way more important even forJewish survival, as the Jewish program of utopian globalism seems more motivated by ethnic reflex and animus than clear thinking. It's hard to see how a post-Western, post-white world is actually going to be "good for the Jews".) People like Steve and Coulter are out there helping white people wake up and--particularly in Steve's case--think more clearly and logically about basic human and mathematical realities, and improve their ability to shuck off the globo-establishments avalanche of bullshit.

    Getting white people to think clearly about reality is precisely where the battle is. When we get anywhere near 50% of white people "woke" ... please. Your "action" generating caliphate-ists and your suburban Jewish IDF checkpoint manning vacationers will be swarthy shadows of the "action" white boys can bring when they are motivated.

    But right now--it's precisely about getting one's friends, neighbors, relatives, to wake up and smell the crisis. Steve's on the front line.

    Jews are an ethnic group of about 15 million people. White people aren’t an ethnic group. White is a racial classification that encompasses various groups. White people becoming an ethnic group like the Jews would require white people to become small in numbers and going through a similar historical experience as the Jews did.

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  232. @Art Deco
    Haider didn't have a Nazi past. It was the previous generation in his family which had Nazi affiliations. A very common embarrassment in Austria.

    Switzerland is a model in a qualified way. However, they've imported a mess of guest workers over the years and at times guest workers made up a double-digit share of the population. That is something you should not do. Ever.

    Switzerland is a model in a qualified way. However, they’ve imported a mess of guest workers over the years and at times guest workers made up a double-digit share of the population. That is something you should not do. Ever.

    Well said. There is no excuse for a “guest worker”. If you need workers to do something you own population can’t/won’t do … then you should not be doing it. And, of course, “guest workers” frequently stop being “guests” and become foreign invaders.

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  233. @Seamus Padraig
    Sadly, I think you're right. Ultimately, the army--just like the police--will side with whoever cuts their checks ... and that ain't us. If you need an example of what I'm talking about, consider the case of the Bonus Army: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

    Sadly, I think you’re right. Ultimately, the army–just like the police–will side with whoever cuts their checks … and that ain’t us. If you need an example of what I’m talking about, consider the case of the Bonus Army

    Siding with the check cutters is certainly the way to bet. But don’t underestimate the power of the ethnic angle. Neither the suppression of the Bonus Marchers nor Whiskey Rebellion were–at root–asking soldiers to act against their own ethnic group for a foreign other. They were essentially about fiscal matters–veterans bonus and whiskey taxation–where the army/miltia was tasked with enforcing the government’s (and check cutter’s) position. The soldiers might have agreed with the position of the rebels, but they also felt that the elected government was their legitimate government.

    We’ll see how that sort of solidarity with “the state” holds up with a government openly hostile to many of the soldiers’ ethnic group, and elected by foreign people’s imported to disenfranchise the native people. A lot will depend on the “atmospherics”–how good is the state’s propaganda. But it could be a lot messier than just “whoever cuts their checks”.

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  234. @AnotherDad


    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz….. and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man’s house. I see speechmaking

    The self-styled “white nationalist” blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family’s life. Contrast that with their endless complaints about Jews of the world sending their kids to the Israel Defense Force to actually man checkpoints.
     
    Karl, this doesn't even deserve a response. It's the sort of openly disingenous Jewish verbal b.s. that makes Jews as beloved as used car dealers.

    The obvious--the Jews have a state and an active--or at least "cold"--war with their neighbors. A Jewish kid wanting to feel some ethnic solidarity with his tribe can go there and be part of something. (And furthermore white nationalists are not complaining about Jewish kids doing this, they are pointing out where their loyalties lie and the double standard of much Jewish anti-nationalist commentary.)

    There is a conflict in South Africa but it's not *the* conflict for white survival. Push come to shove, the Boer's weren't willing to cede territory and lifestyle in order to hack out a separate truly Boer nation for themselves. Their choice. If the shit really hits the fan and they decide to do so--at this rather late date--you will see some motivated white nationalists actuall go there to fight. But there is no such fight going on there now.

    And what exactly is a white gentile going to do manning the barricades in Malmo or Rotherham or Ferguson? Uh ... nothing. We simply aren't at the stage of having an armed struggle. Again if/when there is an actual conflict--say a bunch of rural Swedes decide to secede from their diversitopia and setup a Swedish Republic--i have no doubt you'll see whites from all over willing to come help them fight. Going there now and waving your gun around will get you what? Arrested? (Heck going to England and just saying Muslims aren't English, will get you arrested!)

    That's simply not where the fight is now. We still have elections. The fight to save the West is still primarily an ideological one. Winning against the--heavily Jewish--anti-white, anti-nationalist--propaganda.

    You mock and dismiss what Steve does but it's orders of magnitude more important in terms of our survival than some Jewish kid volunteering for his IDF ethno-solidarity-experience. (Heck, it's actually even way more important even forJewish survival, as the Jewish program of utopian globalism seems more motivated by ethnic reflex and animus than clear thinking. It's hard to see how a post-Western, post-white world is actually going to be "good for the Jews".) People like Steve and Coulter are out there helping white people wake up and--particularly in Steve's case--think more clearly and logically about basic human and mathematical realities, and improve their ability to shuck off the globo-establishments avalanche of bullshit.

    Getting white people to think clearly about reality is precisely where the battle is. When we get anywhere near 50% of white people "woke" ... please. Your "action" generating caliphate-ists and your suburban Jewish IDF checkpoint manning vacationers will be swarthy shadows of the "action" white boys can bring when they are motivated.

    But right now--it's precisely about getting one's friends, neighbors, relatives, to wake up and smell the crisis. Steve's on the front line.

    Absolutely right. And I find Karl’s counter-example to be … oddly specific …

    If you really were a big bad Nazi like I declared you to be, you’d come over here right now and vaccuum.

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  235. @Whiskey
    I take people at their word and in any event Jews who are wealthy and coastal urban have made no secret of desiring open borders. If Bibi is indicted expect open borders and the wall and fences to come down.

    That's disaster for working Israelis but fine for the wealthy and class hatred is very evident in their writings about working class Jews

    I take people at their word and in any event Jews who are wealthy and coastal urban have made no secret of desiring open borders. If Bibi is indicted expect open borders and the wall and fences to come down.

    Seriously, even you can’t believe that.

    How much support is there in Israel for opne borders? Aside from some Arabs playing the long game figuring it would weaken the Jews? Uh … none. Ok, three autistic libertarian utopians off in a university somewhere.

    Israel is a serious nation, surrounded by ethnically hostile neighbors, with an elite who is actually of the same people as the populace, and not open, high-trust, white gentiles easily cowed by PC propaganda. Open borders is not on the menu.

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  236. @Mr. Anon

    It has been more than a generation since the West confronted a peer competitor that championed an alternative model to the kind of liberalized global economic integration that emerged after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. As such, our skill at championing a model of social organization unapologetically, without fear or favor, has atrophied. That’s an aptitude that we will have to re-learn, and soon. If populist nationalism is to be contained, it cannot be subsumed into greater liberalism and its malcontents mollified by social-welfare programs. The very idea of populist nationalism will have to be overwhelmed. As soon as advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce come to that conclusion, that necessary work can begin.
     
    He views populism as being the equivalent of soviet communism. Something to be contained. Something to be overwhelmed. If you subscribe to any politics that can be called "populist", it is not unreasonable to view Rothman as overtly hostile.

    It’s KTO – KOVO (who – whom).

    Many revolutionaries – going back at least to to Robespierre – who aspired to be the

    KTO (who) of revolutionary mass murder found themselves in the less delectable role of the

    KOVO (whom).

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  237. @Art Deco
    What we’ve seen in the last 50 years of the Jewish rise and dominance in the US, is most decision making removed from republican governance.

    There is no Jewish rise and dominance outside of your imagination and the ruin of representative institutions has required the co-operation of the whole political class. It's pretty simple to use the appropriations process to shut down a federal district court. It's just not done. Congress did give the federal courts a whiff of grapeshot in 1981 when a rider was placed on an appropriations bill debarring the use of federal funds to enforce busing orders. A dramatic decline in the frequency of Garrity-seizures of local school districts ensued.

    That aside, run down the list of Supreme Court justices in 1958 when the Court declared in one of their rulings that the Constitution was what they said it was. Felix Frankfurter was the only Jew on the court at the time, and he'd been skeptical of various sketchy initiatives his whole time thereon. The Court which handed down Roe v. Wade in 1973 had no Jews on it. The court which handed down the Webster travesty in 1992 had no Jews on it. The court which handed down the Romer decision had two (of nine). The Court which handed down Obergefell had three. The New York appeals court which refused to impose homosexual pseudogamy was presided over by Judish S. Kaye, btw.

    That aside, run down the list of Supreme Court justices in 1958 when the Court declared in one of their rulings that the Constitution was what they said it was. Felix Frankfurter was the only Jew on the court at the time . . . .

    Familiarize yourself with the concept of “extended phenotype”.

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    Familiarize yourself with the concept of “extended phenotype”.

    Familiarize yourself with the concept of 'nonsense statement intended to leave the impression the dolt is learned'.
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  238. This. Same thing as megacorporations supporting regulations that will not hurt them but which will annihilate their smaller competitors.

    “I spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane.”

    So, what do we say about the mind of a person who thinks “My vascular surgeon is Jewish, and he doesn’t control the media, so therefore, NO Jewish people control the media!”?

    If you were honest, you’d say you cannot understand a simple argument. The mundane reality of Jewish life in the United States escapes you because you’re fixated on bond traders, studio executives, and newspaper columnists (mostly on caricatures of same, really).

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don’t control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it’s not the source of those resentments.

    Can’t even bring himself to admit the problem exists. When in doubt, dodge the question.

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  239. @Karl
    7 The Z Blog > but my goodness. It’s as if these legacy neocons are trying to prove Kevin McDonald right


    it's not Likud's fault that iSteve spends all of his money and energy, reading periodicals like _Commentary_

    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz..... and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man's house. I see speechmaking

    The self-styled "white nationalist" blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family's life. Contrast that with their endless complaints about Jews of the world sending their kids to the Israel Defense Force to actually man checkpoints.

    The caliphate-ists have a better track record of ===action=== than the whites.

    If you were a dispassionate bookie, who would you place odds on to win the horse race?

    I look at iSteve, i look at Robert Spencer, I look at Ron Unz….. and I see no one who is focused on improving the plumbing in a white man’s house.

    Call a plumber, Spanky. Or better yet, do the work yourself. It is rarely challenging, but for a lazy bastard like you it will surely be difficult.

    The self-styled “white nationalist” blogosphere has not yet sent a single volunteer to South Africa to save a single farm family’s life.

    (1) white nationalists are rare here, and (2) if we brought the South Africans here they would vote for the Democrats. No thanks Spanky.

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  240. @lavoisier

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don’t control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it’s not the source of those resentments.
     
    I am not sure if you are being serious here or not. How exactly do you define media? And what do you define as control?

    If I were to argue (and provide evidence) that Hollywood, the major television networks such as CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and print journals such as the Wall Street Journal, Economist, NY Times, etc.are owned and run by persons who are Jewish would you consider that evidence of control? And if we add in new media like Facebook, Google, and You Tube and notice Jewish ownership of these powerful organizations is not that also evidence of control?

    I am not sure how you define control, but it sure seems like the appropriate word to use in this context.

    I am not sure if you are being serious here or not.

    He is always serious. And always stupid.

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  241. @Art Deco
    So you think she’s just naturally dishonest then?

    I doubt she's averse to the games people play when they're trying to make a point. That's not unusual among people who argue for a living. Mostly I think she's sloppy, as noted, and she assesses news stories with templates in her head (which is not what she should do but what people commonly do).

    I doubt she’s averse to the games people play when they’re trying to make a point. That’s not unusual among people who argue for a living.

    Yes, we’ve noticed it in you, drone.

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  242. @Art Deco
    So, what do we say about the mind of a person who thinks “My vascular surgeon is Jewish, and he doesn’t control the media, so therefore, NO Jewish people control the media!”?


    If you were honest, you'd say you cannot understand a simple argument. The mundane reality of Jewish life in the United States escapes you because you're fixated on bond traders, studio executives, and newspaper columnists (mostly on caricatures of same, really).

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don't control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it's not the source of those resentments.

    You didn’t answer is question? Which is it closer to? 1/2 or 1/50? Which is it?

    There are a mess of Jews in the media, but Jews don’t control the media. Their position in the media was at its peak around 1940 and has declined fairly steadily since. Occupational niching is of intense interest largely to people who have antecedent resentments, it’s not the source of those resentments.

    When a single cohesive group has a wildly disproportionate presence, both in people, and in money in an influential sector, it is significant. Personnel (and money) is policy. It matters who does what.

    Tell us,……….are you stupid, or are you a liar? Or are you a stupid liar? One thing you certainly are is a contemptible nitwit.

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    You didn’t answer is question? Which is it closer to? 1/2 or 1/50? Which is it?

    No, you didn't read the answer. The answer is closer to 1/50.
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  243. @Thea
    Never has their been a more tragic case of unrequited love than that between evangelicals and the Jews.

    Never has their been a more tragic case of unrequited love than that between evangelicals and the Jews.

    Nah, by my count it’s only the fifth-most tragic of even just the Jew-related cases.

    1. WASPs and Jews
    2. Jews and blacks
    3. Jews and Muslims
    4. Jews and the USSR

    Most tragic of all is

    0. Nice White Ladies and [decadence or depravity goes here]

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  244. @Whiskey
    Noah Rothman and others certainly have advocated just the open borders globalism and mass Rapefugees for Israel. Sarah Silverman's Rabbi Sister did so until a bunch of Israeli Deplorables sent the African rabble to her house with flyers implying her support for taking them in.

    I thought it hilarious.

    So its not a Jewish thing, its a class thing. Its just that Jewish rich dudes are over-represented in Media and Finance (and totally absent in the Oil business, Aerospace, Steel, and Agribusiness which by the way are equally pozzed). You can predict utterly someone's views outside of Trump himself (but not his idiot daughter or son in law) by wealth, education, and background.

    Now to the substance of Rothman's urgings. I won't dignify them as arguments. Machiavelli argued and has been proven right over and over again that it is better to kill someone than to simply make them poor. Rothman's policies already enacted have made millions of ordinary White Americans and Europeans poorer, so as to a make a few billionaires much much richer and a large part of the Third World better off but not even middle class.

    How many would bet that even the most mild mannered beta male would be an eager killing machine piling up body after body if it meant the prospect of not spending the rest of his life as a WHITE BUM sleeping rough on a park bench? Heck beta males make the best soldiers, they can endure things like the Western Front 1914-18 that an Alpha male would run from in a heartbeat.

    The built up legacy of post WWII prosperity, not blowing up the world in the Cold War, has been erased by elites making Whites much poor