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From Demographic Research:

On the pace of fertility decline in sub-Saharan Africa
BY David Shapiro, Andrew Hinde

DATE PUBLISHED: 24 Oct 2017

Abstract
Background: This descriptive finding examines the comparative pace of fertility decline in sub-Saharan Africa, relative to Asia, Latin America and the Caribbean, and Northern Africa.

Objective: We seek to determine if fertility decline has been slower in sub-Saharan Africa than elsewhere in the developing world.

Methods: United Nations 2017 estimates of national fertility are used in assessing the comparative pace of fertility decline, and the four regions are compared in terms of how far they are into their fertility transition.

Results: The data shows clearly that fertility decline in sub-Saharan Africa, still at a comparatively early stage, has been considerably slower than the earlier declines in Asia, Latin America and the Caribbean, and Northern Africa at comparable stages of the transition, and displays less within-region heterogeneity than the transitions in these other regions.

Conclusions: The slower pace of fertility decline in sub-Saharan Africa, in conjunction with the high current fertility levels in the region, means that in the absence of policies seeking to accelerate fertility decline, sub-Saharan Africa will continue to experience rapid population growth that in turn will constrain its development.

Contribution: Presentation of data in a novel way (Figures 2‒4, and associated calculations) unambiguously demonstrates the slow pace of fertility decline in sub-Saharan Africa compared with other regions of the world. …

Figure 4 provides an alternate way of showing the comparative pace of fertility decline, emphasizing relative changes. Using the peak fertility rule, the figure shows the relative declines in fertility as transition proceeds. After 35 years of fertility decline, sub-Saharan Africa’s TFR was at 75% of its peak value. In the three other regions, after 35 years of fertility decline the TFR ranged between 44% and 50% of its peak value.

I would add that fertility in North Africa (orange-brown line) wasn’t falling very fast either compared to Sub-Saharan Africa (blue line) for about the first 20 years of its demographic transition. But then North Africa hit an inflection point and became more like Asia and Latin America (until recently).

So, the problem posed the whole world by the African population explosion isn’t insoluble, but it is challenging. It seems pretty comparable to Climate Change, but it has gotten several orders of magnitude less attention.

 
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  1. Reliable food supply and education of women is the only known way to decrease population.

  2. “TFR as % of value at start”

    And the other axis is nearly as massaged. Clever way to distort the facts.

    • Agree: Peter Johnson, res
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  3. eah says:

    So, the problem posed the whole world by the African population explosion…

    There’s really only one thing white countries need to do in response to ‘the problem posed by the African population explosion’ — which isn’t their problem at all.

    • Replies: @eah
  4. @obwandiyag

    Reliable food supply and education of women is the only known way to decrease population.

    With family planning being one of the more important subjects.

  5. @obwandiyag

    Reliable food supply and education of women is the only known way to decrease population.

    With family planning being one of the more important subjects.

    (It would be a big step forward if the Christian Religions understood this).

  6. @Dieter Kief

    And access to contraceptives, despite objections of authoritarian religious leaders here and there

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @eric
  7. El Dato says:
    @obwandiyag

    Absence of food, environemental and racist wars work even better.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  8. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    It seems like this area could launch a whole new genre of interesting, but perhaps not politically correct, future dystopian sci fi fiction.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. @Lockean Proviso

    This is what the EU does in Africa – in cooperation with the Bill and Melinda Gates’ Foundation. Melinda Gates focusses on this task. This kind of help is very welcome, but these programs are still way to small.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. Blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Sally Struthers and Bob Geldof.

  11. So, maybe have the CIA equip some of the more violent herdsmen tribes? They tend to reduce population when they move into a new area.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  12. I don’t know, but I suspect that peak fertility in SSA was not only more recent but was also higher than in other regions.

    If they really wanted to present “data in a novel [and illuminating] way”, the Y-axis could have simply been the TFR value, rather than an index that hides relative sizes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Desiderius
  13. @Almost Missouri

    The paper is showing that SSA TFR isn’t falling as fast during the Demographic Transition as TFRs did in other parts of the Third World. A lot of people have a Muh Demographic Transition smugness that this graph shows isn’t warranted.

  14. dearieme says:

    Has it occurred to David Shapiro that many of those extra Africans will be musselmen and therefore, presumably, keen to slit his throat?

    Or is that the sort of thing we are not even allowed to think about?

  15. TTSSYF says:
    @obwandiyag

    And how is educating women going to work when they are second-class citizens at best, powerless to say no to sex, while the men are busy spreading their seed and having scores of children with multiple “wives”? We’re talking about societies that practice female genital mutilation and where it’s not uncommon for the men to sew women’s vaginas shut in the men’s absence to keep them “pure.”.

    Oh, yeah. All we need to do is educate the women and feed them all better.

  16. @Steve Sailer

    “A lot of people have a Muh Demographic Transition smugness that this graph shows isn’t warranted.”

    Steve, Pardon my obtuseness, but would you please rephrase this in a less-cryptic way?
    I thought looking up
    https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/muh
    might help me to understand your point, but it didn’t.

  17. Romanian says: • Website

    Off-topic

    Chinese guy running pro-Franco bar in Spain, on the list of hotspots for Spanish fascism. Unintentional hilarity ensues.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/17/world/europe/spain-franco-far-right-vox.html

    The bar’s “mere existence,” said Mr. Maestre, highlights the “total acceptance of this culture of exaltation of the dictatorship” within contemporary Spanish society.

    The revulsion of a family of leftists who walked into the bar by mistake suggests this acceptance is not universal, though.

    “It’s the first time I’ve come here, and it’s the last time I’ll come here,” said Valeria Martínez, a gardener sharing some Spanish ham with her daughter and her daughter’s boyfriend. “We’re just staying for the ham.”

    Aren’t they all?

  18. Clyde says:

    Use the white devil’s tricknology to put contraceptives in bottled water that is advertised as being a new improved version of Vitamin Water for women. That grows larger butts for them. Put Kim Kardashian and 50 Cent on the label and advertising it. Place the advertisements on Facebook along side the ones for human smugglers and cheap plane fares to Germany, France, Sweden and UK. Ireland too these days.

  19. When the post cold war collapse finally hits the West, there will be no immunization programs, no food aid, and no antibiotics in sub Saharan Africa. The population will return to natural levels but not before the camp of the Saints.

  20. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Nonsense.

    In order to stave off a Malthusian crisis, large parts of the world started to behave Malthusianly.

  21. Let me see if i understand this. In Europe and the US population decline, especially for whites has been problematic, to say the least. The response is to those issues, let’s get Africa to reduce it’s population.

    Uhhh, having made demographics the a matter of skin color and identity for more than 1500 years. I would think that the continent in question might look at Europe, the US and anyone making the claim with an eye of suspicion and irony.

    They might even laugh.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @bomag
    , @Lowe
  22. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    French author Pierre Boulle did that way back in the 1960s.

  23. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Apparently, the EU is fixing up some sort of ‘union’ with the ‘African Union’ which, purportedly, is all about establishing a massive ‘free trade area’s between the EU and the African continent.

    With the past form of the EU, and its typical weasel ways, one doesn’t have to be an Einstein to see where this is *inevitably* heading.

    Thank God for Brexit.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Dieter Kief
    , @HA
  24. Arclight says:

    Isn’t the high fertility rate in Africa a prime example of the dictum “if you subsidize something, you get more of it?”

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @res
    , @ben tillman
    , @Anon7
  25. “So, the problem posed the whole world by the African population explosion isn’t insoluble, but it is challenging. It seems pretty comparable to Climate Change, but it has gotten several orders of magnitude less attention.”

    Considering that anthropomorphic global warming (what you disguise as climate change) is a hoax propagated by western globalists, I fail to see the comparison.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    , @Dieter Kief
  26. Anon7 says:
    @obwandiyag

    Only if by “education of women” you mean “convincing each woman that every child she has reduces the time available for the most important person in her life, namely, herself”. How can she self-actualize if she’s feeding, clothing, and cleaning up after smelly children?

    I’d also advise pushing birth control pills NOT as a means of controlling fertility, but as a means of controlling inconvenient, messy, ritually impure menstruation.

    That gets your civilization below replacement rate, just like in Europe and the USA.

  27. Good grief,

    the reason Africa is important is because it remains one of the richest natural resource continent on the planet. And Africa plays her cards right. Basically charging an arm and a leg for access, while denying anyone off continent ownership and decreasing foreign ownership and effectively spreads the wealth to its population —-

    well, there ya go.

    That’s why China has been there since the late ’60’s with an ever increasing presence as they are shifting to more open economic practices and they don’t have the west’s colonial baggage.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  28. @Anonymous

    Maybe Africa will catch the European disease and turn into minerals (animals and vegetables reproduce) too.

  29. @EliteCommInc.

    They might, or they might succumb to the Jaffe Memo strategies like we have.

    The Gods Must Be Crazy.

  30. eric says:
    @Lockean Proviso

    The idea that poor, uneducated women get pregnant because they do not have access to birth control is a myth. Their main issue is they want to get pregnant, it’s the only thing that gives them meaning and purpose.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  31. @Almost Missouri

    If they really wanted to present “data in a novel [and illuminating] way

    They don’t. Democracy dies in darkness and when other people are producing more demos than you are democracy is a sucker’s game.

    Looks like they’ve settled on oligarchy/plutocracy as a least bad alternative.

  32. @Dieter Kief

    Some of us do.

    Population reduction isn’t a natural fit with our religion, to say the least, which is why we’re fated to the catacombs from time to time.

    A couple points:

    Fertility is who we are. As organisms.

    Big universe out there.

  33. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    After all these years of Adam Smith, and putting ‘political economy’ on a rational, logical basis, it’s still surprising the number of people who simply haven’t got a clue about who ‘free trade’ theoretically benefits *both* parties in the transaction, that is it is in the self interest of Africans to trade what they can produce those willing to buy – and sell – to them.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  34. dr kill says:
    @obwandiyag

    Socialism works much better.

  35. Mr. Anon says:

    If you want to know what the future looks like, just play 2001: A Space Odyssey backwards .

    • LOL: ThreeCranes, Dtbb
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  36. bomag says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    They might even laugh.

    There might not be much to laugh about.

    Big difference between negative fertility rates in advanced countries and high positive fertility rates in SSA.

  37. Whatever caused fertility decline in both Brazil and the Caribbean ought to be duplicated in Sub-Saharan Africa.

    • Replies: @Spangel
    , @res
  38. ‘”In the Absence of Policies Seeking to Accelerate Fertility Decline, Sub-Saharan Africa Will Continue to Experience Rapid Population Growth”‘

    This is all mildly absurd. If one keeps putting out food for feral cats and taking any who get sick to the vet, the population of feral cats on your property will keep going up.

    Same with African blacks. As long as we keep shipping food and medicine in, the population will keep going up.

    As soon as we stop, it’ll stop going up. It’s not complicated.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  39. Lowe says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    It means a go-to response. Like something someone says often, or relies on.

  40. @Anonymous

    I think here we agree. Minus unfair or dishonest dealings, that is a bottom line. Africa has products, they are entitled to make a profit on the same as opposed to the past history where said products did yield investment back to the colonial native populations.

    Hence when colonialism collapsed it collapsed leaving huge vacuums that could not readily be filled by Africans who n early to a society were kept out in the margins.

    And if the US would return to a capitalist system I think real growth of depth and width would return.

  41. Spangel says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    Agreed. That they are black is not the problem. Jaimaica ks 92% black and is at replacement. Haiti isn’t there yet but it is falling steadily.

    We need to look at what prompted haitis fertility to decline and repeat that model in Africa.

    What would really work nicely is some corporate partnership colonialism like what debeers has in Botswana. It’s making Botswana a better place to live and it helps some kind of industry, albeit a stupid one. Botswanas tfr fell nicely for a few decades and though it’s not quite as low as replacement levels, it’s particularly good for ssa.

  42. Lowe says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    The relative population decline among whites is a problem because whites produce technological, scientific, and moral progress. They are essentially the only group that does this.

    We can be nice about this, and avoid talking about it, but everyone with any sense knows the exploding population of Africa is a liability for the entire world, because Africans don’t do anything I just said. I would have a hard time not laughing at an adult who did not immediately grasp this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @EliteCommInc.
  43. Lowe says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    You’ve got to get the wedge in somewhere, man.

  44. @Anonymous

    The splendid idea is, in the end, the EU will a)have helped the needy – and itself (trade advantages and a constant inflow of aa willing to work workforce…
    The most blue-eyed politician of all may well be the German minister for development Gerd Müller – from the (once!) conservative Bavarian CSU party.

  45. res says:
    @obwandiyag

    Reliable food supply and education of women is the only known way to decrease population.

    I was wondering who would be stupid enough to say this. Then I saw it was obwandiyag and everything became clear.

    Human population has ebbed and flowed over millennia. I think the last hundred years or so is the only time those reasons have had the effect of decreasing population (in earlier times in fact, reliable food supply tended to increase population). Over the rest of human history war, famine, and disease have done a distressingly good job of keeping population from growing in an out of control fashion.

    What seems clear now is that either your reasons will start working in Africa–which as the graph shows is happening with troubling slowness–or those historical reasons will start coming into play.

  46. Lloyd1927 says:

    The answer to the African fertility problem is female education. All foreign aid should concentrate solely on getting girls into school and keeping them there. Educated women of any race or ethnicity will not allow themselves to be used as brood mares nor will they allow their teen daughters to be sold as “brides” for older men. The cost is far, far less than giving military or economic aid to African strongmen.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  47. @Dieter Kief

    With family planning being one of the more important subjects.

    (It would be a big step forward if the Christian Religions understood this).

    There is Natural Family Planning, which, even in our organic Zeitgeist, is primarily driven by “Christian religion”.

    However, it requires patience, discipline, and some intelligence.

    But so do all other methods of “family planning”. Except the externally-imposed kind.

  48. res says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Agreed, but the graph definitely understates the problem given that SSA is starting from a higher TFR. Does anyone have the corresponding absolute TFR numbers for each region handy?

    The graph does have the virtue that it isolates the point you are making about the lagging Demographic Transition in SSA.

  49. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lowe

    Please whisper it quietly to The Economist editorial board, the EU commission and Bryan Caplan amongst many others..

  50. res says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Many people are completely confident that the SSA population explosion will be prevented by the same demographic transition (here decrease in TFR) experienced by the other regions in the graph. The graph shows that SSA is not following the same trajectory. This undermines the point of my first sentence.

    For much more detail see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

    For more fun Ctrl-F “Africa” at that wiki page. Some samples:

    Most developed countries have completed the demographic transition and have low birth rates; most developing countries are in the process of this transition.[2][3] The major (relative) exceptions are some poor countries, mainly in sub-Saharan Africa and some Middle Eastern countries, which are poor or affected by government policy or civil strife, notably, Pakistan, Palestinian territories, Yemen, and Afghanistan.

    It is interesting that the countries are mainly in SSA but all of the examples are from the Middle East (more or less, but NOT SSA).

    Many countries such as China, Brazil and Thailand have passed through the Demographic Transition Model (DTM) very quickly due to fast social and economic change. Some countries, particularly African countries, appear to be stalled in the second stage due to stagnant development and the effect of AIDS.

    Yup. Those are the reasons. Nothing to do with the people involved and how hard or effectively they have worked at improving things.

  51. HA says:
    @Dieter Kief

    (It would be a big step forward if the Christian Religions understood this).

    Did you miss the lines representing North America and Latin America? Evidently, Christianity is — yet again — not to bogeyman you make it out to be.

    (It would be a big step forward if you and people like you understood this.)

  52. @obwandiyag

    Air dropping smart phones on Africa might just do the trick.

    It sure seems to have made women unsuitable for reproduction in the US.

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @The King is a Fink
  53. HA says:
    @Anonymous

    “Apparently, the EU is fixing up some sort of ‘union’ with the ‘African Union’…

    Thank God for Brexit.”

    I think you’re forgetting something:

    https://thercs.org/international-network/africa/branches/

    If you need reminding, there’s any number of UK cities I can direct your attention towards.

  54. res says:
    @Arclight

    Yes. It is an excellent example. Except somehow that dictum seems to have been omitted from the curricula followed by all of those highly educated liberals we keep hearing about. Perhaps Paleo Liberal can help us understand this.

  55. @obwandiyag

    Reliable food supply

    You seem to be unfamiliar with HBD in general and this blog in particular. It was the lack of a reliable food supply that led to civilization in Europe and Asia. Man had to make it reliable.

    Historically, a reliable food supply retards human advancement. Kind of like welfare payments.

    • Replies: @res
  56. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    A lot of people say, that current African fertility is not a big problem, because it will sink rapidly really soon due to demographic transition. The graph in this blog post shows, that the reduction in the fertility rates of Africans is a lot smaller compared to people in other regions at the same time of the demographic transition.

  57. res says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    This is probably the most constructive point made in this entire thread. Does anyone have a good explanation for your statement?

    Whatever caused fertility decline in both Brazil and the Caribbean

    It would also be good to extend this to individual countries in SSA as well. From the data in this article (Table 1, reproduced below) Lesotho and Namibia might make good models: https://www.newsecuritybeat.org/2013/08/demographic-transition-stalled-sub-saharan-africa/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  58. @MikeatMikedotMike

    The climate change part in the comment above struck me as iSteve news.

  59. res says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Historically, a reliable food supply retards human advancement. Kind of like welfare payments.

    Interesting point. I tend to have the opposite view, but I see what you are saying (and the welfare analogy is absolutely on target). Hard to disentangle cause and effect here. As a single example, I think having enough food to grow to adulthood unstunted physically and mentally is important for human advancement.

    Perhaps a model where striving towards a reliable food supply induces a virtuous cycle which holds until a surfeit of food causes negative effects (e.g. obesity and laziness)?

  60. UFOs are back in the news at Roswell– Untouchable Fetal Organisms:

    U.S. City Declares Itself A ‘Sanctuary City For The Unborn’

    Now will that other UFO burg, Elmwood, Wis. (where Sailers sell meat), follow suit?

  61. @res

    I call “microaggression”.

    Stall has an unavoidably equine connotation.

    • Replies: @res
  62. So, the problem posed the whole world by the African population explosion isn’t insoluble, but it is challenging. It seems pretty comparable to Climate Change, but it has gotten several orders of magnitude less attention.

    I guess I’d dissent from this a bit.

    How severe the climate change problem actually is, is unclear. But solving it, while technically straightforward is a major effort–nuclear power, methanol economy, rooftop solar, geothermal enhanced heating\cooling–involving lots of retrofitting.

    Solving the “African population problem” is straightforward–don’t let the Africans out! Quarantine. As long as you don’t let the Africans move elsewhere, them overpopulating their own continent isn’t a big deal. The other 80% of the world will be just peachy.

    The sole impediment is that talking about that and then doing it requires tossing out this whole nasty Jewish minoritarian ideology. If you can do that, you’ve pretty much solved all the world’s big problems, not just African population. But right now minoritarianism is utterly dominant in the West. Which means the West is going to end up flooded with African flotsam.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. @Redneck farmer

    The CIA is now essentially a leftist outfit. Dancing on the strings of their Maoist billionaire puppet-masters, they watch passively as Africa becomes a Chinese colony. Perhaps this is a positive development: the Chinese are intensely racialist and view the dark folk as chattel. I can see them introducing disease into the African populations as a way of culling the herd. Meanwhile, the CIA concerns itself with the problem of whiteness.

  64. @obwandiyag

    I like how my comment is based on facts and the responses are based on what they think. Typical of the high caliber of commenter on here.

    • Replies: @res
    , @ben tillman
    , @jbwilson24
  65. Antonius says:
    @obwandiyag

    ‘Reliable food supply and education of women is the only known way to decrease population’

    Who pray tell, would provide the reliable food supply, and education?

  66. res says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    At least it wasn’t a primate connotation. That would have been a macroaggression.

    And of course, as all iSteve readers know, transition is doubleplusgood.

  67. res says:
    @obwandiyag

    So you think your initial comment is more fact based than my response? LOL! At least you are entertaining.

    You do win a troll prize for getting so many responses though. Well done.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  68. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    It dates back to “muh dick” as used on a particular newsgroup on Usenet. The broadened usage — e.g., muh Constitution — refers to something primitively, stupidly, or sub-rationally venerated. The usage mocks the mocked person’s reflexive response to something he doesn’t understand.

  69. @obwandiyag

    Sure, your response is based on facts, like the fact that the English language includes every single word you used. That doesn’t change the fact that your conclusion is ludicrously false. War, mass murder, flood, drought, and epidemic disease are other known ways that populations are reduced.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  70. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lloyd1927

    Put it this way – black African men are not ‘pussies’ like yer typical Milquetoast westerner.
    They will *never* be gullible enough to swallow the myth of gender equality.

  71. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Ahhh….but the man at The Economist told me that the ‘key to infinite perpetual economic growth in the West’ is to – let ALL of Africa in! – (and Pakistan, India, Egypt, Ethiopia, Indonesia etc etc).

    Hat Tip:

    If you *really* know what the Deep State is up to – forget the sound and fury of the tuppenny puppet show as reported by the TV political correspondents – then you can get no better unimpeachable source than The Economist, it’s all there, the grand plan, the railroaded future you will live in whether you like it or not. Everything else is bullshit – pabulum for the mugs.

  72. TG says:

    1. Fertility declines in places like Bangladesh and Pakistan and India are increasingly due to chronic malnutrition making it physically impossible for most women to have seven kids each. That’s not a good thing, and not the same at all as people using active birth control to limit the number of children to those that they can support at a REASONABLE level, not just at the level of subsistence… You can’t just compare fertility levels.

    2. Since around 1970, Wester economists have been SCREAMING and DEMANDING that Malthus was wrong, that people should literally breed like rodents, that more people are always better etc.etc.etc. They have done this to support cheap-labor immigration policies in their home countries. However, a side effect is that for decades Africans have been hearing that more children are always better, that limiting your family size is decadent and selfish and will kill economic growth etc.etc. So now, if Africans hear that they should stop having so many children, why should they believe us? They will likely just accuse the West of wanting to keep Africa weak and impoverished….

    3. One is reminded that the ‘demographic transition’ model whereby first people become prosperous, and then they have fewer children, is a lie. The Iron Law of Development is that FIRST people lower their fertility rate, THEN if everything else goes well for a century or so, they slowly develop prosperity. Essentially never the other way around.

  73. @eric

    “The idea that poor, uneducated women get pregnant because they do not have access to birth control is a myth. Their main issue is they want to get pregnant, it’s the only thing that gives them meaning and purpose.”

    An awful lot of educated Western women who swallow the propaganda about education, partying and career suddenly discover around age 40 that having children is the only thing that gives them meaning and purpose, and that the abortion at 21 wasn’t such a good idea after all.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/oct/02/the-desire-to-have-a-child-never-goes-away-how-the-involuntarily-childless-are-forming-a-new-movement

    It was February 2009 and, at 44-and-a-half, she had left a bad long-term relationship and moved into a grotty London flat. “I was standing by the window, watching the rain make dusty tracks down the glass, when the traffic in the street below seemed to go silent, as if I’d put it on ‘mute’. In that moment, I became acutely aware of myself, almost as if I were an observer of the scene from outside my body. And then it came to me: it’s over. I’m never going to have a baby.

    Some tragic tales here, even if some are reaping what they’ve failed to sow.

    https://gateway-women.com/will-i-ever-get-over-not-having-children/

    “Never in my twenties or early thirties would I have thought I could not conceive… I don’t want to get out of bed, I cry all the time and feel like my heart has stopped.. I feel like I have died inside “

    “I was 36, thought had plenty of time…. and here I am 46 years old and in tears tonight.”

    “I ruined my life by not wanting kids when I was younger… I know I’ll never have a family. Why didn’t I see the importance of starting a family when I was younger? I’m going to be alone and regretful for the rest of my life.”

  74. Two overlooked aspect of the population dynamics in the developing countries without a serious family-planning program:

    #1 The East-/South-East-Asian countries had massive numbers of abortion, even in Muslim Indonesia/Malaysia and Catholic Phillipines. This relative ease of access to abortion is often used by lower income-class women/families.

    #2 The drop in fertility in many Arab & SSA countries in the last 4 decades is among the upper/upper-middle class and partially among the working class. More in the urban area, less so in the rural areas.

    These two aspects means that the socially-dysfunctional/crime-prone/social-conservative portion of the population has risen as share of the total population.

    Those societies in absolut numbers are getting more degenerate before they get rich. In Arab societies the rise of political Islam is product of this development.

    In the West we have the same problem. Tyrone -the drug dealer- has got 3 baby mamas, but Jeffrey – the fast food worker- can’t even get a date.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  75. @Colin Wright

    “If one keeps putting out food for feral cats and taking any who get sick to the vet, the population of feral cats on your property will keep going up.”

    I have a childless 50-something friend who’s become a ‘cat lady’, feeding every stray in her Spanish village where she’s been for 20 years – Lord knows what the locals think. Several have diabetes (from overfeeding?) so she and her man never holiday together, because the cats need daily injections (which she pays for).

    She’s bright, well-read, not unattractive, good company. Waste of good genes, and waste of a parenting instinct. I like cats but not that much. Kids before cats.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  76. @Lowe

    “The relative population decline among whites is a problem because whites produce technological, scientific, and moral progress. They are essentially the only group that does this.”

    Interesting how life works. Once human beings have access to what is required to do X they generally manage to produce what is required to advance. Technological advance is not going to cease if whites disappear off the planet.

    But more importantly, a very small number of whites engage in technological advancement.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/12/africa-technology-revolution/

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/12/africa-technology-revolution/

    http://www.newafritech.com/

    http://technoafrica.co.za/

    https://www.intechopen.com/books/biofuels-status-and-perspective/technologies-for-biodiesel-production-in-sub-saharan-african-countries

    https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-history-month-unsung-black-innovators-technology/

    Good grief. I am embarrassed when I hear these types of response. In other words, access seems to breed development. We in the west have had great press agents, and done a fine job determining who knows what about who and what . . .

  77. I suspect there’s a lot more I don’t know about blacks in Africa or the US and their tech savvy, but just a peek online indicates that technology development is not limited o whites only, as bathrooms might be with or without a sign.

  78. When I run into black students here’s my counsel

    get an education and or

    get work regardless

    meet a woman, get married

    have children raise a family

    And never consider killing your child in the womb —

    Last but not least become conservative.

    The expectation that Africa decrease its population is not in their best interests, and they should shrug off the “global warming”/”climate change” pressure. That they should be burdened by western carelessness is also not in their best interests. Well for those that buy into the climate change theory and that man is to blame.

    The earth has been pumping out noxious carbon gasses since it’s birth and will continue to do so whether the climate warms, cools or stagnates. When the pressure gets to great metric tons of atmosphere are pressed through the earths membrane every year. Africa can look on their history and with no small amount of truth say,

    and end with

    references above provided as tongue and cheek.

  79. Daniel H says:
    @obwandiyag

    Reliable food supply and education of women is the only known way to decrease population.

    Ha, ha. An unreliable food supply can also be a good way to reduce population. Just ask the Irish, Ethiopians, Ukrainians, Bengalis and a host of others.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  80. And blacks give me the same quizzical looks that whites give me when I promote celibacy until marriage – as if I am from another planet. They don’t that they can by other means — if pressed —
    any more than whites do.

  81. eah says:
    @eah

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Clyde
    , @eah
  82. Thinker says:

    We can thank Bill Gates. All the good work his foundation did in Africa since the 90’s is bearing fruit. African mothers took the vitamins and vaccines and said no thanks to the birth control, each continues to have 7 or 14 babies, except now they all survive to adulthood thanks to Gates. Now they’re all grown up and need jobs, and Gates has no answer. Enters Soros, who invites them all to invade Europe. Europe is now bearing the brunt of Africa’s surplus population, just like America is bearing the brunt of India’s surplus population, another phenomenon courtesy of Gates and his philanthropy.

    History will not look kindly upon Gates for his role in destroying the West.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    , @Clyde
  83. Moral progress . . .

    The technology and science matter are tangible factors. But this moral progress is something different.

    You would have to explicate this out for it to have any impact. My read of African society is that each had their legal, ethical/moral dispositions and consequence by way of the same. And no few number of those standards rival those of western thought.

  84. Mr. XYZ says:
    @obwandiyag

    A reliable food supply won’t decrease the population. A sufficiently severe famine, on the other hand, might actually be capable of doing this.

    As for education of women, it works in the short-run but probably less well in the long-run due to fertility being partly heritable and due to breeder genes becoming more and more widespread among the general population with each generation.

  85. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Dieter Kief

    Yes, Christianity and starvation is the reason why wealthy Nigerians have four wives.

  86. @obwandiyag

    ‘Reliable food supply and education of women is the only known way to decrease population.’

    You have no contact with reality. The Mongol invasions, for example, are estimated to have halved the population of Iran.

    That didn’t happen because the Mongols created a reliable food supply and promoted the education of women. Nor, for that matter, did the population of American Indians sharply decline because the white man brought them a reliable food supply and education for their women.

    Konigsberg’s pre-war population was 372,000. When it fell to the Russians, it still had 100,000 inhabitants. When the Russians finally saw fit to expel the survivors, they numbered 25,000. Do you think that was because the Russians brought a reliable food supply and education for the women?

  87. Just as an intellectual exercise, it could all be interesting.

    Consider, for example, the ratio in calories produced per acre between a field of Einkorn wheat ‘farmed’ by neolithic peasants and that obtained by a well-run Kansas farm.

    I wonder what we could jack the population of Africa to? …using rational, modern farming techniques, of course.

  88. @Thinker

    I am want to be careful here, but most of the flood is coming from North Africa and the regions i9n the Middle East that the west has fostered destabilization beginning with Iraq, but certainly not ending there.

  89. @Mr McKenna

    I saw this yesterday(?) and apologize for not AGREEing while I could. Same for the commenter down below, Almost Missouri, as I recall. What the hell defines this “transition” also? I had to first figure out what they mean, but if that just means “first downturn”, that could be calculated a lot of ways to move the graphs left or right. That’s a poor way to represent reality, but maybe that’s the point, as you say.

  90. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    We are probably better off if SOME women don’t have kids and others have a reasonably sized brood. Which do which is the real problem.

    It’s sad to see smart and attractive and reasonably birthworthy appearing women as barren does later in their life. It’s sadder to see some skank or moron IQ landwhale with a big brood of dumbass kids who will never bring us joy.

    Some women have happy lives without having had kids. Helen Mirren and Debbie Harry appear to be having a ball. For others kids have been a source of grief. I can’t imagine Cher is too pleased with “Chaz”, whatever she might say. Barbara Eden-not an idiot or druggie- didn’t do well with her one kid, neither did Angie Dickinson.

    But for most, having had a family has to be a great comfort in their old age.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  91. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Off topic:

    Yearly reminder that crabs are rotting in the pot

    A year ago, Maryland’s crab industry teetered on the precipice, with nearly half of its picking houses unable to secure enough visas for the migrant laborers their businesses rely on.

    This year will be better for the state’s crab businesses after their owners set aside New Year’s partying and scrambled to be among the first to apply for visas — eventually securing a sufficient number of laborers, mostly from Mexico, for the coming season. But they say the federal guest worker program remains mired in politics and overwhelmed by demand.

    This is something of a mystery, they are unable to recruit from a large population of impoverished unemployed people in a major metropolitan area in this state. Wonder why??? Down to the wire…

    The concept of “temp agencies” and “higher wages” also eludes them.

    If we are to have visa workers at all, it would be better if we auctioned off visas to the highest bidder.

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-md-crab-industry-visas-20190312-story.html

  92. @Daniel H

    ‘Reliable food supply and education of women is the only known way to decrease population.

    Ha, ha. An unreliable food supply can also be a good way to reduce population. Just ask the Irish, Ethiopians, Ukrainians, Bengalis and a host of others.’

    The interesting thing about Obandiyag’s comment is that it is almost perfectly counter-factual.

    I was talking about Sweden’s seventeenth-nineteenth century population explosion with an authority on the subject. The thing is, prior to the arrival of the potato, there wasn’t a reliable food crop in most of Sweden. Any unusually cold year, the crops would fail, and it would be famine time again.

    The arrival of a reliable food crop made population increase — not decrease — possible.

    That is, of course, pretty obvious — unless you’re Obandiyag.

  93. @eah

    7 our of 8 is very good for a politician of any sort, though I’d read this guy got into high office through some luck. Good on the bloke. I don’t like his interest-free government bank stupidity (talk about a moral freakin’ hazard and complete ruination of the economy), but he could be probably talked out of that.

    Were I a Kiwi, I’d make him a deal – Strike out #2 there, and we’ll give you complete immunity to punch out lefties, even the ones that don’t come at you with eggs.

    • Replies: @eah
  94. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Another German Reader

    If Tyrone can’t be paying child support he needs to be vasectomized or put in a camp where he can’t impregnate no more baby mamas until the ones he has are all grown.

  95. Clyde says:
    @eah

    Ending all third world immigration
    Interest free government bank
    Absolute freedom of speech
    Banning foreign ownership of our land
    Firearms for self defence
    Traditional family values
    Exit the UN and end foreign aid
    Dams and infrastructure projects

    4,271
    12:31 AM – Mar 9, 2019

    Fraser Anning is the most explicit politician I have seen for this era. Good luck for him! No Sarcasm.

  96. Clyde says:
    @Thinker

    We can thank Bill Gates. All the good work his foundation did in Africa since the 90’s is bearing fruit. African mothers took the vitamins and vaccines and said no thanks to the birth control, each continues to have 7 or 14 babies, except now they all survive to adulthood thanks to Gates.

    And internally we have the billion dollar funded Melinda Gates Millennium Scholarships. No whites can get these. Only blacks browns and fresh off the boat Asians.
    https://gmsp.org/

    Melinda is the functional Bill Gates these days. He is kicking back and cruising into prole hamburger spots doing his aw shucks darshans.

    dar·shan
    [ˈdärˌSHän, -SHən]
    NOUN
    darshans (plural noun)
    an opportunity or occasion of seeing a holy person or the image of a deity.
    “Hindus attach great importance to a darshan, or view, of a saint or holy image” · [more]

  97. @res

    Yes it is a fact. And every single response is bonehead, basementdweller opinion they made up out of nothing but their own prejudices.

    You win the idiot prize for being an idiot. I noticed you didn’t research anything. Because you can’t because you are an idiot.

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @res
  98. @ben tillman

    What a stupid response. Nothing else to say. Just what a stupid response. It doesn’t even make sense.

  99. @Dieter Kief

    Thank you. Sounds like you are one of the only people on here who are not imbeciles, someone who actually knows something instead of “expressing their opinion” which is worth nothing because it is not ill-informed but completely not informed at all.

  100. @obwandiyag

    “I like how my comment is based on facts and the responses are based on what they think. Typical of the high caliber of commenter on here.”

    You cited absolutely nothing in support of your statement.

    Nor did you take into account differences in reproductive strategies, IQ, etc.

    I wholeheartedly concur that Japanese, Chinese, Armenians and others are capable of self regulating their population growth. In these cultures, education of women is undoubtedly a major causal factor in decreasing fertility rates.

    Africa is a whole different story. There’s precious little reason to believe that blacks can behave like the aforementioned groups.

  101. @YetAnotherAnon

    Agree.

    But what’s weird [not really] is that a lot of these women marched for their Right To Choose, voted Pro-Choice and then made their Choice. Now they’re “involuntarily” childless.

    Why, it’s almost like what they say they want and what they actually want are different—almost opposites. Who could have foreseen this?

  102. @Steve Sailer

    On the one hand, the paper supports the conclusion that the SSA population explosion is worth worrying about because the panacea “demographic transition” doesn’t seem to be arriving on time.

    On the other hand, I’d say the paper still fosters complacency because it assumes as a matter of religious faith that the “demographic transition” will happen. It’s only a matter of when

    But is this true? “Past results do not guarantee future performance.” And if any region is likely to go against the world trend in social development it is SSA.

    Also, it’s not entirely apparent to me that Total Fertility Rate (“TFR”) is the most meaningful metric for predicting absolute population increase. Here’s how Wikipedia defines TFR:

    The TFR is a synthetic rate, not based on the fertility of any real group of women since this would involve waiting until they had completed childbearing. Nor is it based on counting up the total number of children actually born over their lifetime. Instead, the TFR is based on the age-specific fertility rates of women in their “child-bearing years”, which in conventional international statistical usage is ages 15–44 or 15–49.[3]

    The TFR is, therefore, a measure of the fertility of an imaginary woman who passes through her reproductive life subject to all the age-specific fertility rates for ages 15–49 that were recorded for a given population in a given year. The TFR represents the average number of children a woman would potentially have, were she to fast-forward through all her childbearing years in a single year, under all the age-specific fertility rates for that year. In other words, this rate is the number of children a woman would have if she was subject to prevailing fertility rates at all ages from a single given year, and survives throughout all her childbearing years.

    As defined, TFR thus doesn’t seem to capture the population increase which is due to having children much younger. For example, in SSA a woman may have a daughter at 18 and that daughter may have another daughter at 18 – so two new people in 36 years. In Europe meanwhile a woman may have just one daughter at 36. So twice the population growth with the same TFR per woman.

    And of course TFR has nothing to do with declines in infant mortality and increased longevity which also increase the overall population level.

    I know the demographers supposedly know what they are doing, but I don’t have overwhelming confidence in expert opinions based on predictions about the future and highly manipulable statistics.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  103. @Steve Sailer

    Yes, I agree that they showed the story of SSA lagging on the X-axis, not only in chart 4 but also in charts 2 and 3. But I suspect they missed showing the additional story of SSA’s higher initial TFR’s which they could have easily shown on the Y-axis, so the authors may have underplayed the hand the data dealt them.

  104. Clyde says:

    OT
    You heard it here first so credit me if this pans out
    Beto can win the primaries and Presidency when he gets his lovely wife preggs for child number four. Timing this to run parallel with the Dem primaries.
    The cover for Beto’s vacuous loony leftism is his normie wife and family. The campaign money rolls in via his father in law worth 2o billions.
    Baby waving can get him in (Presidency) via the empty mind female vote.

    Beto is a flake via his Gov’t prosecutor father who got run over while pedaling his invisible to motorists recumbent bicycle.
    ___________________

    Funeral for Pat O’Rourke, father of Beto O’Rourke
    https://www.freep.com:0/story/archives/2019/03/13/friends-family…
    Mar 13, 2019 · Funeral for father of Beto O’Rourke: ‘He died young, but he lived life to the fullest’ … was killed Tuesday when he was struck from behind by a car while riding his recumbent bicycle near …

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  105. Dtbb says:

    Just heard on the news that 45% of the population of Mozambique is under 15 years old. I am having a hard time imagining that.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  106. The words black and plague keep coming to mind.

  107. “In the Absence of Policies Seeking to Accelerate Fertility Decline, Sub-Saharan Africa Will Continue to Experience Rapid Population Growth”

    The headline is a subtly yet chillingly macabre way of stating a tautology.

  108. Anon7 says:
    @Arclight

    Subsidy has nothing to do with it. Far more children survive because of do-gooding foreigners and the application of Western health standards, that’s true.

    But the desire for a family of 10 children (by women) and the social pattern in which men coupled with as many women as possible existed long before the first white man set foot in Africa. This desire is a product of the fact that only 1 child in 2 even survived to age 5 in colonial Africa.

  109. Dave2 says:

    The only factor affecting human birth rates around the world is women’s rights. Where women are property of their fathers and husbands, they are married off young and spend most of their fertile years barefoot and pregnant. Where women are free agents, they spend most of their fertile years accumulating credentials, working pointless jobs, partying with the girls, and having a long series of torrid, sterile, unstable “relationships”.

    Black Africans breed more like cats that humans; it’s entirely normal for females to assume all food-production and child-rearing duties while the males lay around chatting, drinking beer, and chasing women. This lifestyle is only possible where a mild climate allows year-round cultivation, or EBT cards make food production unnecessary.

    Economic factors have no effect on the number of babies born, though they help determine how many of those babies will survive to adulthood.

  110. MarkU says:

    So, the problem posed the whole world by the African population explosion isn’t insoluble, but it is challenging. It seems pretty comparable to Climate Change, but it has gotten several orders of magnitude less attention.

    The thing that I find curious is that the two issues are clearly related yet people seem very reluctant to admit it. It is surely obvious that keeping carbon emissions, pollutants and environmental degradation under control whilst attempting to provide food, shelter and power for an extra population approximately the size of the UK every year, is simply not going to happen.

    The planet is clearly overpopulated, why do I say that? Because we are quite clearly screwing the place up with the numbers we already have. I am sceptical that we can do anything to cap population growth unless we do it on a country by country basis and stop responsible countries being used as overflow areas by irresponsible countries.

    Our economic system has to be changed, it only works reasonably in times of continual growth. Continual growth might be good for bankers in the short term (this is why they are “alarmed” at any hint of population decline) but continual growth is not possible on a finite planet and is clearly undesirable on an already overcrowded one. We can save the banking system or we can save the planet, we cannot save both.

    We also have to remove the current PC straightjacket which so many otherwise intelligent people seem to have chosen to wear, when facts can be “racist” then things have gone too far. The simple fact that ‘whitey’ is not a big offender in the overpopulation stakes is quite enough to scare most people off the subject of population control, they are terrified of being accused of having racist thoughts.

  111. The only factor affecting human birth rates around the world is women’s rights.

    The only thing that encourages smart women to breed is religious faith. Skepticism renders a race unfit for survival.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  112. @Dtbb

    Just heard on the news that 45% of the population of Mozambique is under 15 years old. I am having a hard time imagining that.

    There goes the forest.

  113. Anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Reminds me of an old Turkish proverb:
    ‘Two creatures in creation are habitually ungrateful – women and cats”.

  114. @Clyde

    To be precise, his father was killed in 2001, so it’s not a recent tragedy and it’s okay to laugh over it because, yeah, he was run over riding his stupid recumbent bike.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Reg Cæsar
  115. Ohhh good grief,

    It will be some time before the imagined floods of Africa come swimming or boating across the shores of the Atlantic to the US.

    Our problem is the southern border.

    And no the world is not over populated. And no we don’t need to import a single human human being here for any reason. What needs rendering we can accomplish in the places where aide is needed.

    The primary concern which was advanced by the admin of Pres. Bush in the way of aide was to address disease, particularly the issue of HIV. There was talk in some African states that trusting the West’s assessment about how it was transmitted was false. Imagine that people on the continent of Africa not trusting Westerners.

    The primary reason that Europe has this issue beyond destabilizing the locations in question is that Europe has a long history of colonial relations and when the Europeans were looking to import cheap labor they tapped their old colonial properties. Save they were careless in implemention what it would mean to import X number of people and not provide them access to other aspects of society.

    And in Germany’s case they took in refugees, but denied them work — it was a very strange policy.

    The lesson — assimilation and adjustment from foreign peoples who do not share your ancestry is a process long in the making. But if you are intent on maintaining your society, you had better have strict guidelines on what is expected. Which is why Los Angeles is really northern Mexico City.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  116. @Reg Cæsar

    That’s why in secular China are no kids born at all?

    (I’m not totally against your claim though – I can clearly (I guess) see, what you mean).

  117. eah says:
    @eah

    • Replies: @The King is a Fink
  118. @eah

    Save that a bond is collecting interest on the production or valuation of the measure. A US savings bond’s growth is predicated on what the country’s valuation is at any point in time. I am unaware of any interest rate on any bond that doubles the dollar value.

    What circumvents Pres. Jefferson’s proposition in the case of US debt is that most of the debt is owned by US citizens. And should the citizens decide to cash in enmasse, there simply would not be the money on hand to pay the bond values.

    The problem in my view is hardly bonds, but it’s the debt and deficit spending which eviscerates the actual value of the country and the monetary value the country rests on. Though few economists make that analysis debt to dollar value.
    https://www.thebalance.com/value-of-us-dollar-3306268

    https://www.thebalance.com/debt-to-gdp-ratio-how-to-calculate-and-use-it-3305832

    * the CIA reference here is interesting.

  119. TheJester says:

    We used to care less about what was happening in Africa and Asia. Now, the morning (Internet) news forces us to put a famine in Africa and a train wreck in India on the same perceptual and emotional level as a multi-car smashup in New Jersey. One world … one big headache! The West created the natural “storms” associated with overpopulation and massive immigration … and it has to solve them before it’s too late.

    Ceasing food, medical, and technological subsidies to sub-Saharan Africa and other Third World countries will solve the population explosion overnight. The Western and (now) Asian subsidies allow sub-Saharan Africa and other societies to escape their Malthusian Limits … their “carrying capacities”. Without equally significant changes in culture, subsidies encourage irresponsible social behaviors.

    Examples: The West intervening on multiple occasions with medical teams and expertise to stop the spread of Ebola. The West intervening on multiple occasions to stop famines in places that have exceeded their “carrying capacities”.

    The process of stopping massive sub-Saharan immigration to Western countries is equally simple. First, tear down the cell towers that promote the image of living on “streets-paved-with-gold” if they can only find their way to North Africa and across the Mediterranean. Second, enforce border security. Resist SJW-driven political pressures to sprinkle the now open Western borders with reception and resettlement centers.

    Subsidizing primitive societies and cultures to exceed their Malthusian Limits is similar in impact to global warming: artificially intervening against natural processes with untold negative global consequences. Failure to act will create a situation in which billions of people become permanent “custodial populations” that depend on Western material largesse for survival … similar to what is already happening in decaying Western cities in North America and Western Europe.

    Hard as it sounds, failure on the part of the West to cease subsidizing overpopulation in and massive immigration from sub-Saharan Africa and other Third World countries will eventually overwhelm and destroy the West … kill the “Golden Goose”. That process has already started.

  120. @AnotherDad

    You could solve two problems at once and airdrop some radical Western feminists too.

    Those parachutes the miltary use to deploy vehicles would probably do the trick.

  121. @eah

    Yes, I do exactly understand the issue, Eah. Per the US Constitution, ONLY the US Gov’t should be MINTING (note it does not say PRINTING) money. This precludes any kind of private bank like the FED from doing this, and really does not allow for any paper money, Abe Lincoln’s greenbacks notwithstanding.

    Thomas Edison differs on the paper money aspect, but I’m sure he was under the assumption that this paper would be backed up by gold and/or silver. It’s still honest money then, at least.

    Where your man Anning got retarded was in saying that the NZ (or is he and Aussie?) Gov’t should be able to lend out money without interest. It should not be lending out money, PERIOD, for one thing. It’s even worse at 0 interest in that completely distorts the market for money. Why don’t me and y9u, EAH, borrow at 0 and invest in all kinds of stupid shit – hey, no hurry to return the money, is there, bloke? No, the natural interest rate is like the price of anything else, gasoline , OK, petrol, Pez, Polish sausage, parakeets, premium cable, panties, whatever. Once you distort the market by having taxpayers support the sale of ANYTHING at a non-equilibrium price, you screw over the whole market.

    It really IS kinda worse with the price of money (which is what interest is SUPPOSED to be), as that affects all kinds of major investment ideas. The FED has held interest rates in the basement for a decade, screwing over old people who had some savings, and forcing people to go risky (the stock market, for instance.)

    Read some Ron Paul – he’s right here on unz.

    • Replies: @eah
  122. @Anonymous

    “Helen Mirren and Debbie Harry appear to be having a ball…. Barbara Eden-not an idiot or druggie- didn’t do well with her one kid, neither did Angie Dickinson.”

    Most of us aren’t rich and famous into our declining years. And Hollywood is a fertility sink – tragic really. Look at poor Mary-Ann.

    While I’m not too upset about Debbie Harry, Ms Mironov not reproducing is an appalling genetic crime.

  123. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer

    You should be super careful when you take a walk around your neighborhood. I sure am. Look both ways three times. Too many nitwit drivers out there, many being imported. And I never ride a bike due to this.
    When walking look where the sun is. The sun blinds drivers so they hit you and other objects.

  124. res says:
    @obwandiyag

    https://www.quora.com/Which-events-led-to-the-greatest-human-population-decline-in-history

    You will notice that your reasons are not even mentioned.

    Projection is a terrible thing.

    P.S. If you want to prove me wrong then show me YOUR research.

    P.P.S. And you really are quite entertaining (in a laughing at you, not with you, way). Sadly I used up my LOL button for a while already. We will see if I manage to remember and come back to that comment of yours.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  125. @Steve Sailer

    And, unlike the case with the Gottis, the faultless driver who killed the reckless biker didn’t mysteriously disappear.

  126. eah says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Your comment is snide and pejorative in tone.

    link

    At the link is another tweet of his where he makes clear he is talking about a bank that will loan ordinary citizens money at zero interest — as opposed to the normal practice of fractional reserve banking: a commercial bank creates money out of nothing by simply crediting the account of the borrower, and then charges interest on this money it created out of nothing — it is not clear why you find the former objectionable, but not the latter — ? — I do not see the rest of your comment as particularly relevant, since it implies the government would just hand out money to pretty much anyone for nearly any purpose, ie not assess at all the reason for the loan or the creditworthiness of a borrower — I assume they would, because they would expect the principal to be repaid.

    Fraser is not ‘my man’ (although I like his platform, as succinctly stated in that one tweet), and I do not need to read Ron Paul.

  127. Yes, not to be pejorative, but you do.

    OK, you don’t NEED to, but, the man explains money very well. Fractional reserve banking is subject to “buyer beware” when done by a private bank, but the FED’s practices make it a nefarious deal indeed. I agree with you and Mr. Anning* on this.

    However, having a bank set up to loan money at ZERO INTEREST, supported by the taxpayers, as it’d have to be, is completely RETARDED. I thought I explained why pretty well.

    * And, as I said, his other 7 points are excellent!

  128. MarkU says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “And no the world is not over populated”

    For a world that isn’t overpopulated we have a mysteriously high rate of environmental degradation, pollution, habitat loss for wildlife and competition for resources. Imagine how bad it would be if it really was overpopulated.

  129. From Black Mischief:

    See: on the right hand: there is rich man: smoke pipe like big chief: but his wife she no good; sit eating meat: and rich man no good: he only one son.

    See: on left hand: poor man: not much to eat: but his wife she very good, work hard in field: man he good too: eleven children: one very mad, very holy. And in the middle: Emperor’s juju. Make you like that good man with eleven children.

  130. @eah

    If a white person says something and there are no POC to hear them, does it still make them a racist?

    • Replies: @MarkU
  131. MarkU says:
    @The King is a Fink

    “If a white person says something and there are no POC to hear them, does it still make them a racist?”

    Define “racist” closely and I will tell you. Practically all of these philosophical conundrums are purely semantic in nature (even tongue in cheek ones) “Are viruses alive?” “which came first the chicken or the egg?” it works on all of them. This is why scientists define their terms very closely, to avoid purely semantic argument.

  132. @res

    You don’t even understand what I’m talking about. Your “link” is off-topic as usual. And I will not explain to boneheads. Let them stew in their ignorance.

    • LOL: res
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