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You know how obnoxious Al Franken is on TV? Well, I hear he’s even more obnoxious off screen. So a lot of people in DC, including Democrats, have reason to dislike him personally.

But, after decades in the public eye, how much evidence is there that he’s a major sexual harasser?

 
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  1. i agree with steve.

    this blog would be nothing without the assiduous moderation of Steve Sailerblack lesbiansSteve Sailer.

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    this blog would be nothing without the assiduous moderation of Steve Sailerblack lesbiansSteve Sailer.
     
    "Subliminal Man" was portrayed by Kevin Nealon, not Al Franken.
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  2. Lugash says:

    The Age of Evidence is over. All hail the Age of Accusation!

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    • Replies: @David Allan coe
    AL Franken admitted to some of the inappropriate behavior....and all of the accusers were Democrat's who supported Franken politically...

    Franken could have used the Clinton strategy of Deny, Deny, DENY and hire operatives to discredit the women..His wife has yet to defend her husband...
    , @Macumazahn
    The Age of Evidence ended long ago. For me, it ended in 1989 during the confirmation hearings for the appointment of John Tower to the post of Secretary of Defense.
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  3. eah says:

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    Moore indeed. And then, I suspect, DJT.
    , @bored identity
    Launch geriatric biohazard in 3,2,1:

    https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/938758299939430400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05_04/BernieSanders_GIF.gif


    From the same beta- talmudoid:



    The liberal magazine Mother Jones unearthed the Sanders essay, calling it 'a stream-of-consciousness essay on the nature of male-female sexual dynamics.':

    https://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-1972-men-fantasize-about-abusing-women-women-fantasize-about-being-raped/



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    Also:




    Cancer, Disease and Society by Bernard Sanders. (12.19.1977.)


    "....How much guilt, nervousness have you imbued in your daughter with regard to sex?

    If she is 16, 3 years beyond puberty and the time which nature set forth for child-bearing , and spent a night out with her boyfriend, what is your reaction?

    Do you take her to a psychiatrist because she is “maladjusted,” or a “prostitute,” or are you happy that she has found someone with whom she can share love?

    Are you concerned about HER happiness, or about your “reputation” in the community...."


    https://sandersguideblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/16/cancer-disease-and-society/

     


     

     
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  4. eah says:

    OT

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  5. eah says:
    @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/938623641650171904
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    • Replies: @Barnard
    It appears Nehlen has gone off the rails. We aren't going to get a Dave Brat like miracle win from him.
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  6. Twinkie says:

    Do we have to worry about you, Mr. Sailer? :)

    The last guy to defend a harasser turned out to be… something.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Do we have to worry about you, Mr. Sailer? :)

    The last guy to defend a harasser turned out to be… something.
     
    Reprllent?
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  7. Thomas says:

    Seven accusations and not exactly denials on his part. I think he’s mostly just a grabby oaf, to hear the stories coming out. They’re not Weinstein-level predation.

    But… he opted to line up on the side he did, and to be, as pointed out, one of the more obnoxious and self-promoting thugs on that side. He’s gotta live with his choices and the rules of the people he threw in with.

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    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    don't forget the photographic evidence of his "oafishness".

    i generally agree with Steve's moderation, but in this particular instance, when the enemy (who is trying displace the generic American) is engaged in a circular firing squad, my restraint lessens somewhat until the shooting stops.

    THEN the sober reflection.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    But… he opted to line up on the side he did, and to be, as pointed out, one of the more obnoxious and self-promoting thugs on that side. He’s gotta live with his choices and the rules of the people he threw in with.

     

    Some people on the right argued that Martha Stewart was railroaded the same way, and had a point, but I felt the way you do.

    She contributed to those making (and often enforcing) the legal régime that nailed her. So spare me the tears.

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  8. but when commenting outside steve’s blog, there’s the question of how steve’s name should be rendered.

    should it be just “steve sailer”?

    or should it be “Steve Sailersteve sailerSteve Sailer“?

    this is an interesting and important question.

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  9. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “He’s gotta live with his choices and the rules of the people he threw in with.”

    That pretty much sums it up. Throw your lot in with a cult, but don’t be surprised when they ask you to drink the Kool-Aid for them.

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  10. Steve, sexual harassment is not Franken’s problem: he’s an asshole sexist, something that is TOXIC to the identitarian Dem brand. Kiss his ass goodbye

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    • Replies: @trutherator
    Like Bill Clinton, and how they tossed him out on his behind.

    The Identity warriors, SJWs, BLM, identity "anti-male" feminists, the hate speech censors, they all share in common a hate for Christians and for the values that are legacies of the former Christian culture. What they share even more importantly is to insist that everyone subscribe to the same subservience to orders on how to think from, em, whoever it is that is behind the curtain.
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  11. Look, in a sane world, the sort of liberties Franken took would hardly be enough to do him in.

    But Franken was a leading advocate for an insane world in which they would.

    I should feel bad about poor Al Franken, caught in his own phoniness?

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    • Agree: reiner Tor, eah, Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @CAL2
    I disagree. There's a photo of him groping a sleeping woman. A sane world has him resigning immediately due to the pressure everyone puts on him. It's not Weinstein level. However, it's not down to the "He put his hand on my knee" or "He asked me to have sex with him a handful of times" level of simple jerkiness. It's still over the line behavior.
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  12. guest says:

    Franken is guilty of being outed in the wrong part of the news cycle, in the wrong political context. Whether he actually deserves it is another matter.

    These public figures ride the wild wave of undulating standards.

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  13. Bubba says:

    True, Franken is a straight-arrow choir boy compared to the late Saint Teddy Kennedy of the Democratic Party. Saint Teddy was the ne plus ultra of male sexual harassers, far more than even a psychopath like Bill Clinton. I mean it takes more than chutzpah to murder a woman, get away with it, and then single-handedly lead the charge accusing a bookish Clarence Thomas as a vile harasser of women. The Democrats can’t absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They’ll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.

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    In the present climate, I think Ted Kennedy would have been asked to resign as a senator, too. Things have changed.
    , @Anonymous

    The Democrats can’t absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They’ll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.
     
    Jack didn't harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74oWon5VTo
    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    Yes, no one could surpass the Kennedies for using and destroying women. The entire clan, multi-generational, starting with Joe Sr. -- drunks, scumbags, lechers, rapists, slayers of mistresses, etc. JFK Jr. was told he didn't have the piloting skills to fly his new plane in the dark and bad weather, but, hey, what did they know? So he brought along his wife and her sister. Why squander your own life when you can wipe out a couple of chicks on the way?

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/10/from-ted-kennedy-to-harvey-weinstein-or.html
    , @Inquiring Mind
    This public attention to the late Senator Kennedy is part of a Right-Wing attempt to demonize persons of Irish extraction from Massachusetts whose father was a financier of the liquor and entertainment industries.

    The Oldsmobile automobile in question was not his, rather, he just found it with the keys in the ignition. The Senator just found himself with his hands around the steering wheel when it "just took off", bouncing off the road surface of that bridge just a few feet in front of him, and then sailing through the air for 218 feet before trapping that poor unfortunate young woman.

    Not knowing what had just happened, he simply smoke a cigarette, pushed the car into the water and then walked away.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    This public attention to the late Senator Kennedy is part of a Right-Wing attempt to demonize persons of Irish extraction from Massachusetts whose father was a financier of the liquor and entertainment industries.

    The Oldsmobile automobile in question was not his, rather, he just found it with the keys in the ignition. The Senator just found himself with his hands around the steering wheel when it "just took off", bouncing off the road surface of that bridge just a few feet in front of him, and then sailing through the air for 218 feet before trapping that poor unfortunate young woman.

    Not knowing what had just happened, he simply smoke a cigarette, pushed the car into the water and then walked away.
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  14. Mr. Anon says:

    But, after decades in the public eye, how much evidence is there that he’s a major sexual harasser?

    Not that much. Also, he doesn’t seem to have been very successful at it; his grabbiness didn’t get him where he wanted to go, at least as far as we know.

    The only reasons his fellow Democrats in Congress are urging him to step down are: 1.) they know he’ll be replaced by a Democrat, and 2.) to rhetorically position themselves for the on-going / up-coming Roy Moore battle. If Minnesota had a Republican governor, the Dems would be making excuses for Franken and rebuffing any attempts to force his resignation.

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    Exactly. They want Moore to step down so they can pick up the seat (lose to the democrat). But it's too late for them to go after Moore. The election is just 5 days away and he's leading by a large enough margin to ensure his victory. Any criticism from democrats will be poorly received in Alabama as virtually all the party leaders are greatly unpopular there.

    That's what happens when you throw out all the quality white males, advertise "no cis white males need apply" ads for computers jobs at the DNC, run openly racist campaigns, embrace crazy Russian conspiracy theories, try to oust our legitimate president with lies about him "harassing" women, and run sexist witch hunts.

    The best they can do is call for him to step down after being elected, which is likely what the GOP will do. Their tune would be different if Minnesota had a republican governor.
    , @Olorin

    The only reasons his fellow Democrats in Congress are urging him to step down are: 1.) they know he’ll be replaced by a Democrat
     
    After which they can claim the Momentum Of A Big Win.

    What I can't comprehend is why anyone's amazed that they are willing to throw "white men" under the bus. Especially since most of the "white men" in question are over 60, and these are opening salvos of the Geronticide Era. In which longer lifespans will be systematically undone by things ranging from emotional and economic abuse to withholding of all but palliative health care after the total cashectomy is performed. Because dolt-wrangling and -farming is very very lucrative indeed, while the plantation lasts and r-populations continue to breed like, well, r-populations.

    https://www.populationpyramid.net/

    https://www.populationpyramid.net/africa/2017/


    his grabbiness didn’t get him where he wanted to go, at least as far as we know.
     
    Mr. Anon, you need to read up on the election machinations that led to his being installed in the seat in the first place.

    This is not a guy who ever had a sextant and star map. This is one of the most useful idiots in the history of the US Senate.

    He was a trial balloon, a test case, for a new kind of globo-Dem-leftist electioneering in the Aughts. It didn't go much of anywhere strategically speaking, in the larger scheme of things...but he got in the seat and held it.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7487

    http://keywiki.org/Mark_Ritchie#2006_Campaign

    Their desire to have him step down owes to them having a more useful idiot in the wings. And some other set of electioneering machinations. (Don't misunderestimate the role of the Target/Dayton fortune in all of this.)

    Also the so-called Minnesota so-called Democratic-Farmer-Labor so-called Party is rife with infotainment sorts waiting to replace the old actual farmers and laborers that used to constitute it (like hobby farmer Rebecca Otto/her husband).

    And nobody has forgotten the "Minnesota Massacre" of the late '70s.

    https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2008/05/dfl-culture-wars-1978

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/10/21_kelleherb_bwcamassacre/

    http://minnesota.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.5749/minnesota/9780816680528.001.0001/upso-9780816680528-chapter-9

    Quaint to read a time when Minnesota elected officials cared about things like canoe wildernesses and snowmobile policy. These days it's all muzzies and trannies and gals capitalizing on their former nudge nudge wink wink with male supervisors by claiming to have been abused Victorian flowers in their career climbing. Victimopoly.

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  15. I wonder if a catalyst for this explosion in the outing of sexual predators isn’t a desire by the Left to purge themselves of so many White (and/or Jewish) men in their leadership?

    Not a conscious conspiracy, just an almost unconscious understanding that, for the most part, this opens up spots for women and POC?

    (By the way, soon enough, they will turn on White women).

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    http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/12/06/august-ames-dead-pornstar-dies-23-days-homophobia-scandal/

    Already happening.
    , @Jack D
    In the case of Hockenberry (the crippled NY radio guy) all of his accusers are of the black female landwhale variety. In the hierarchy of diversity pokemon points, black female outweighs white male crip. Charlie Rose is going to be replaced by Christine Amanpour. I think the general result here is that the guys who are being pushed out are not going to be replaced by other old white guys. Rather their replacements will all be younger, browner and more female and preferably all three.

    The logic of the Coalition of the Fringes dictates it. In the beginning, the NAACP was also run by Jewish men but eventually the blacks took over. What are the chances that Schumer's replacement will be another Jewish male? It's really hard to see a future for straight white guys in the Democrat Party. No matter how much they proclaim themselves to be "allies" they will always be suspect (unless they go tranny).
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  16. Thursday says:

    While there have been a couple conservatives caught up in these accusations, most have been liberals. Given that one of the major predictors of political liberalism is low Big 5 Conscientiousness (i.e. lack of self control), what we are seeing is exactly what personality research would predict.

    In particular, I am shocked, shocked to learn that stand-up comedians often lack self-control.

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    Given that one of the major predictors of political liberalism is low Big 5 Conscientiousness (i.e. lack of self control), what we are seeing is exactly what personality research would predict.
     
    Isn't that the truth, Thursday!

    You're great on this, what do you know about loyalty and fellow-feeling? One of the saddest things to witness is the cold ruthlessness with which some of these "beloved" men have been dumped.

    Garrison Keillor's were utterly mundane, yet this revered man on the Left had his decades-old archive disappeared and his show renamed. No scintilla of due process or giving him a fair hearing. Completely reviled and unpersoned in two seconds.

    I understand that one of Al Franken's "accusers" is accusing him of touching her waist. He's obnoxious and a badly behaving jerk, but like so many others, he's having the mundane rolled in with...the slightly less mundane.

    Roy Moore's "accusers" are a women who went on consensual dates when teens or early twenties, above the age of consent. Rolled in and sexing these up is a Sabrina Erdely-tier accusation (and another that quickly fell apart: Allred-yearbook).

    Precious few people have taken the time to parse these one-by-one. Or acknowledge how utterly trivial most of them are. You can't hear the facts above all the SCREECHING.

    I can't believe Keillor, or any of these men, would have made being progressive a core part of their identity if lack of loyalty and fellow feeling was intrinsic. Instead, this appears to be an utterly mindless hysteria.
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  17. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    People just don’t understand.

    Jewish men are the story of the bravery of love.

    PS. John Cassavetes was a much admired figure, but judging by his films, he must have been quite a ladies men. Leonard Cohen too judging by his songs.

    It used to be that certain people had the License to Feel. Most egregious case was Roman Polanski, protected by so many famous and powerful people.

    It’s like the Catholic Church had indulgences for those with money and connections.
    But then came Luther and Protestantism that called for stricter adherence to the Faith.

    No, it seems we are seeing a protest against indulgences that used to be prevalent in creative circles and information centers. Men who got away with stuff because they had connections, money, and the correct kind of politics are not being spared.

    It’s like the hysteria before Prohibition. Beware the hobihition.

    Incidentally, Franken wrote the screenplay for WHEN A MAN LOVES A WOMAN, a movie that blames a man for being stoic, strong, and supportive of his wife. Such reliability supposedly to blame for his wife’s failure to be her own person. One of the worst movies ever.

    Franken is such a egomaniac that he played a ‘cool’ character in this dreadful movie that I was forced to watch because my friend had a small role in it.

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  18. Whiskey says: • Website

    Its as Whorefinder said a month ago. All those Hillary jobs never materialized when she lost, so now the only way to keep heads above water is to throw existing officeholders, and others, out. That’s exactly what’s happening. The dogs that are not barking: no young, Black, Muslim, or Lesbian officeholder, infotainment celeb, or executive has been fired for grabbing, pinching, lewd remarks, or pathetic come-ons.

    A pathetic, sad dude in a Wheelchair gets fired for lame come-ons. By women who should be ashamed they can’t deal with a sad dude in a … wheelchair. Or some old guys pushing 80 get fired from NPR.

    The questions are, who benefits from dumping Franken and Lauer? SOMEBODY wants their positions. With Franken I figure its Keith Ellison X. He’s been known to harbor ambitions beyond his make-work position at the DNC under Tom Perez. He’d be perfect for a replacement for the Jewish Franken — a Black Muslim with large amounts of Hate Whitey history. That’s catnip for Democrats. For Lauer, you have to look at who in NBC wants him and his protectors gone to move up? Meghan Kelly? Its a total lawyer move.

    Soon there will not be a straight White man left in Democratic politics, in media, in corporations, in government, or much of any place else including the military and NASA. After all, our success in space was entirely due to sassy Black women fixing dumb White guys mistakes, because when it comes to math and science White dudes are complete idiots just like on TV and commercials, and Black women are super-geniuses the way waify 110 lb women beat up 300 lb bad dudes.

    If its on TV it MUST be true …

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    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    You've nailed it. Time to clear out the obnoxious, left-wing Jew -- too status quo for the Dems who always have to be pushing the envelope toward the lunatic fringe. Bring on an understudy of "Calypso Louie" Farrakhan to the Senate and let him shake things up a bit.
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  19. But, after decades in the public eye, how much evidence is there that he’s a major sexual harasser?

    The evidence keeps piling up.

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    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Well done! And, how long will it be before we find out how many young men Barney Frank harassed? He was one creepy-ass homo.
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  20. JimB says:

    Franken needs to resign to balance the books. If Conyers— the founder of the CBC — goes, then so must the white senator, otherwise it’s yet more proof of white privilege and institutional racism, regardless of any evidence.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    JimB, In political power congressmen don't equal senators. Franken barely won his election. Don't think the dems want to risk losing when they run Ellison for a full term.
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  21. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    But, after decades in the public eye, how much evidence is there that he’s a major sexual harasser?
     
    Not that much. Also, he doesn't seem to have been very successful at it; his grabbiness didn't get him where he wanted to go, at least as far as we know.

    The only reasons his fellow Democrats in Congress are urging him to step down are: 1.) they know he'll be replaced by a Democrat, and 2.) to rhetorically position themselves for the on-going / up-coming Roy Moore battle. If Minnesota had a Republican governor, the Dems would be making excuses for Franken and rebuffing any attempts to force his resignation.

    Exactly. They want Moore to step down so they can pick up the seat (lose to the democrat). But it’s too late for them to go after Moore. The election is just 5 days away and he’s leading by a large enough margin to ensure his victory. Any criticism from democrats will be poorly received in Alabama as virtually all the party leaders are greatly unpopular there.

    That’s what happens when you throw out all the quality white males, advertise “no cis white males need apply” ads for computers jobs at the DNC, run openly racist campaigns, embrace crazy Russian conspiracy theories, try to oust our legitimate president with lies about him “harassing” women, and run sexist witch hunts.

    The best they can do is call for him to step down after being elected, which is likely what the GOP will do. Their tune would be different if Minnesota had a republican governor.

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  22. Dan Hayes says:

    Steve,

    What did Al Franken mostly in was the photo of him “attacking” the sleeping female entertainer returning from a troop tour.

    The purported “attack” was pure juvenile nonsense. It was about as threatening as a lollipop!

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    I think Garrison Keiller said it best -He PRETENDED to grope a woman for a photo. If you look at the shadows in the picture, it is clear there is about an inch between his hands and her bullet proof vest. But everyone has to say he assaulted her, oh come on. Al Franken is a douche bag, but why do we need to lie? Also the lady who said he grabbed her but cheek while she had a photo taken with him at the state fair... if you look at the photo, you are very impressed that she has such sang froid to smile placidly while getting goosed. I'm guessing it was more like his hand "accidently" slid a little far down, creating some plausible deniability level moderate ass contact...which of course worked because she chose not to take public notice til now.
    , @PapayaSF
    Franken then circulated the photo to humiliate her. Not cool.
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  23. Simon says:

    I think Franken is an odious creep and amply deserves whatever ill befalls him, but as a general rule I don’t think anyone should lose his Senate seat merely because he forced kisses on a few women or grabbed their asses. And what Roy Moore is accused of doing four decades ago seems even more inconsequential. Alabama Republicans should vote for him; the GOP Senate needs every vote it can get.

    (I know I’m in the minority on this, but such nonviolent offenses strike me as pathetically trivial. These people are shaping national policy, for God’s sake; I don’t care if they’re role models. Conyers’ case strikes me as worse, but only because he secretly used taxpayer money.)

    A clever tweeter, forget who, said something that made sense to me — something on the order of: If you were an abolitionist in the late 1850s and learned that your candidate was guilty of sexual misconduct or perhaps some graver misbehavior, would you therefore, on principle, vote instead for a pro-slavery candidate?

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    I agree and being in the minority during these times is an honorable thing.
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  24. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Bubba
    True, Franken is a straight-arrow choir boy compared to the late Saint Teddy Kennedy of the Democratic Party. Saint Teddy was the ne plus ultra of male sexual harassers, far more than even a psychopath like Bill Clinton. I mean it takes more than chutzpah to murder a woman, get away with it, and then single-handedly lead the charge accusing a bookish Clarence Thomas as a vile harasser of women. The Democrats can't absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They'll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.

    In the present climate, I think Ted Kennedy would have been asked to resign as a senator, too. Things have changed.

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    • Agree: James Kabala
    • Replies: @Bubba
    Then how about Bill Clinton? I highly doubt it. This whole wild hysteria will move on from the male harassers to focusing on their female enablers. The left will continue to eat their own.
    , @anon
    In the present climate, I think Ted Kennedy would have been asked to resign as a senator, too. Things have changed.

    Back then, people weren't woke enough to take manslaughter seriously.

    , @David In TN
    Recently I glanced through Arthur Schlesinger's published diaries. Schlesinger quoted Ethel Kennedy as saying Ted Kennedy resigning in the wake of Mary Jo Kopechne's death was considered, but rejected.

    Teddy's advisers probably thought press, party, and public might demand his resignation. Turns out they didn't.
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  25. Bubba says:
    @Anon
    In the present climate, I think Ted Kennedy would have been asked to resign as a senator, too. Things have changed.

    Then how about Bill Clinton? I highly doubt it. This whole wild hysteria will move on from the male harassers to focusing on their female enablers. The left will continue to eat their own.

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    People have started to turn on Bill. What saves him from complete repudiation is mainly 1) his association with Hillary and 2) his having been out of actual office for sixteen years. Say what you will about millennial feminists, they seem to be more consistent than the previous generations. (The instant collapse of The Birth of a Nation from Oscar favorite to forgotten also-ran is maybe the strongest demonstration of this.)
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  26. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bubba
    True, Franken is a straight-arrow choir boy compared to the late Saint Teddy Kennedy of the Democratic Party. Saint Teddy was the ne plus ultra of male sexual harassers, far more than even a psychopath like Bill Clinton. I mean it takes more than chutzpah to murder a woman, get away with it, and then single-handedly lead the charge accusing a bookish Clarence Thomas as a vile harasser of women. The Democrats can't absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They'll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.

    The Democrats can’t absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They’ll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.

    Jack didn’t harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

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    Jack didn’t harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

    It helps to be good looking, famous, powerful, youngish and wealthy. What were they going to say? "Go away Jack, I can do better."?
    , @Anonymous
    I wouldn't be surprised if what JFK did would be considered harassment today, at least in many cases. It would certainly be considered creepy given that he was married.
    , @slumber_j
    I dunno, there is the super-creepy story about the girl in the White House swimming pool. But that probably doesn't narrow it down much.

    Depending on the situation one can be either harasser or seducer, and JFK seems to have been both at various times. Unlike Teddy.

    Anyway, I think Steve is right about Al Franken. In my view his biggest crime over the years is having been chronically unfunny. Maybe if he'd found a bag of sex in a car to put him over the top, he could have relaxed and told better jokes.

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    Marilyn Monroe was a very broken women. Most of her male costars said she could become very upset when they did not reciprocate her sexual advances and needs for affection.

    Robert Mitchum knew her when she was a teenager married to her first husband and stayed clear of her advances and drank heavily when working with her. Richard Widmark also had to resist her advances and she became really difficult.

    Most famously Clark Gable near the end of his life would remove his false teeth and do a Gabby Hayes impression in order to snap Monroe out of her romantic longings for him.

    Lots of men used Monroe, but others got themselves involved with her in response to both her beauty and neediness.

    I think JFK just took advantage of her, if RFK was involved with her it was because he foolishly attempted to "white knight".
    , @Bubba
    Pimping out your teenage secretary in the White House pool is quite seductive. Yeah, right.
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  27. anon says: • Disclaimer

    They got Conyers to resign by convincing him that he would be replaced by another Conyers. His son. He also has a politician nephew.

    Nothing is enough to convince black elected officials to resign. It predates Marion Berry.

    By the mid-1960s, Powell was increasingly being criticized for mismanaging his committee’s budget, taking trips abroad at public expense, and missing meetings of his committee.[2] When under scrutiny by the press and other members of Congress for personal conduct—he had taken two young women at government expense with him on overseas travel—he responded:

    I wish to state very emphatically… that I will always do just what every other Congressman and committee chairman has done and is doing and will do.”[23]

    Opponents led criticism in his District, where his refusal to pay a 1963 slander judgment made him subject to arrest; he also spent increasing amounts of time in Florida.[2]

    In January 1967, the House Democratic Caucus stripped Powell of his committee chairmanship. The full House refused to seat him until completion of an investigation by the Judiciary Committee. Powell urged his supporters to “keep the faith, baby,” while the investigation was under way. On March 1, the House voted 307 to 116 to exclude him. Powell said, “On this day, the day of March in my opinion, is the end of the United States of America as the land of the free and the home of the brave.”[31]

    Powell won the Special Election to fill the vacancy caused by his exclusion, but he did not take his seat, as he was filing a separate suit. He sued in Powell v. McCormack to retain his seat. In November 1968, Powell was re-elected. On January 3, 1969, he was seated as a member of the 91st Congress, but he was fined $25,000 and denied seniority.[32] In June 1969, in Powell v. McCormack, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the House had acted unconstitutionally when it excluded Powell, as he had been duly elected by his constituents.[33]

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    And there's a street in Harlem named after him: Seventh Avenue north of Central Park is Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. Boulevard.
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  28. Anonym says:
    @RichardTaylor
    I wonder if a catalyst for this explosion in the outing of sexual predators isn't a desire by the Left to purge themselves of so many White (and/or Jewish) men in their leadership?

    Not a conscious conspiracy, just an almost unconscious understanding that, for the most part, this opens up spots for women and POC?

    (By the way, soon enough, they will turn on White women).

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    Here is one of the comments on that thread:

    "A very weak and sad human being all around. Weak people shouldn’t put themselves into a position to get bullied, lol…
    She played and lost, don’t blame anyone else but this weak sad human for her own death."

    Some POS actually "lol'd" someone's death. SJWs are scum.

    , @J.Ross
    Briefly, to get out ahead of this since I have been following it:
    --Porn stars tell themselves they are safe because of testing (for venereal disease).
    --Porn stars are largely leftists who support LGBT causes and see themselves as championing individual freedom, especially the freedom of women to choose their partners.
    --They have this idee fixe that mandating testing will guarantee lying and cheating; the control here is that a person who does not volunteer for voluntary testing can always be rejected through female sexual sovereignty.
    --There have already been several scandals where irate industry rejects and troublemakers have "outed" people with their real names and medical records. This is very unpleasant and illegal, but it has also established beyond doubt that voluntary testing (and discovering infection after the fact) is a joke.
    --A large number of porn stars commit suicide, often overdosing on painkillers.
    --"August Ames" (original name Mercedes Grabowski) was assigned to "do a scene" with a primarily gay guy who does not condescend to meet the voluntary testing protocol.
    --The gay venereal disease situation is like the black venereal disease situation, and for the same reasons. Thus there is a certain undeclared boundary, of porn stars who categorically reject blacks and bisexuals, and from that it proceeds that the Left wants that boundary broken down.
    --Ames warned [whoever replaced her for this scene] on twitter about the guy who's too good to get tested or wear a condom.
    --She was immediately targeted by the gay mafia, to include a "journalist" who framed her statements as rank homophobia and "offered" her the chance to explain herself, like a cop might. This is important because governments are looking at official registration of real journalists, and because it represented a threat of further publicity.
    --One gay guy flat out told her to apologize or commit suicide ("swallow cyanide"). His tone was not unique.
    --He later explained his actions in incomprehensible Leftspeak: "I used her platform to address an issue."
    --Ames hung herself after two days of comments like this.
    --She had some support: at least one fellow female star explained to a third party that the man Ames was avoiding was known to not meet the protocols.
    --There is a general situation where gay men are allowed to do whatever they want, most recently illustrated by California making it legal to not inform sexual partners of HIV-infected status.
    --This might seem sordid or unimportant, but the suicide of August Ames actually ties together the whole brainlessness and destructiveness of the left and their ad hoc, reinvent the wheel, permissive morality.
    --Somewhat OT illustration of the same larger issue: somewhere there is a (pg-rated) "gotcha" interview of (fully clothed) Alexis Texas at a convention. She's part Puerto Rican and famously does not do blacks. And the interviewer is confronting her about as aggressively as is legal about it. Her voice shakes as she mumbles about how who she sleeps with is her choice.
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  29. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonym
    http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/12/06/august-ames-dead-pornstar-dies-23-days-homophobia-scandal/

    Already happening.

    Here is one of the comments on that thread:

    “A very weak and sad human being all around. Weak people shouldn’t put themselves into a position to get bullied, lol…
    She played and lost, don’t blame anyone else but this weak sad human for her own death.”

    Some POS actually “lol’d” someone’s death. SJWs are scum.

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  30. J.Ross says: • Website

    A “major sexual harasser” is a man who has been accused of sexual harassment. The evidence, like the verdict, is the accusation.

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  31. Anonym says:
    @Anonymous

    The Democrats can’t absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They’ll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.
     
    Jack didn't harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74oWon5VTo

    Jack didn’t harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

    It helps to be good looking, famous, powerful, youngish and wealthy. What were they going to say? “Go away Jack, I can do better.”?

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    Oh, and smart. But cool. And be 2-6 std dev above avg in each. If you want to be seduced by the likes of MM, just be all of those things at once.
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  32. rogue-one says:

    Franken was a huge supporter of “always believe the women.” I am sure he meant when they accused others, not him.

    I feel a certain schadenfreude in watching him devoured by the monster he created.

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    Of course Franken said you should "believe the women." He would know, wouldn't he?

    Everybody projects, including jerks. Franken doesn't seem too intellectual, so he probably doesn't spend much time thinking beyond his own reflexes.
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  33. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonym
    http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/12/06/august-ames-dead-pornstar-dies-23-days-homophobia-scandal/

    Already happening.

    Briefly, to get out ahead of this since I have been following it:
    –Porn stars tell themselves they are safe because of testing (for venereal disease).
    –Porn stars are largely leftists who support LGBT causes and see themselves as championing individual freedom, especially the freedom of women to choose their partners.
    –They have this idee fixe that mandating testing will guarantee lying and cheating; the control here is that a person who does not volunteer for voluntary testing can always be rejected through female sexual sovereignty.
    –There have already been several scandals where irate industry rejects and troublemakers have “outed” people with their real names and medical records. This is very unpleasant and illegal, but it has also established beyond doubt that voluntary testing (and discovering infection after the fact) is a joke.
    –A large number of porn stars commit suicide, often overdosing on painkillers.
    –”August Ames” (original name Mercedes Grabowski) was assigned to “do a scene” with a primarily gay guy who does not condescend to meet the voluntary testing protocol.
    –The gay venereal disease situation is like the black venereal disease situation, and for the same reasons. Thus there is a certain undeclared boundary, of porn stars who categorically reject blacks and bisexuals, and from that it proceeds that the Left wants that boundary broken down.
    –Ames warned [whoever replaced her for this scene] on twitter about the guy who’s too good to get tested or wear a condom.
    –She was immediately targeted by the gay mafia, to include a “journalist” who framed her statements as rank homophobia and “offered” her the chance to explain herself, like a cop might. This is important because governments are looking at official registration of real journalists, and because it represented a threat of further publicity.
    –One gay guy flat out told her to apologize or commit suicide (“swallow cyanide”). His tone was not unique.
    –He later explained his actions in incomprehensible Leftspeak: “I used her platform to address an issue.”
    –Ames hung herself after two days of comments like this.
    –She had some support: at least one fellow female star explained to a third party that the man Ames was avoiding was known to not meet the protocols.
    –There is a general situation where gay men are allowed to do whatever they want, most recently illustrated by California making it legal to not inform sexual partners of HIV-infected status.
    –This might seem sordid or unimportant, but the suicide of August Ames actually ties together the whole brainlessness and destructiveness of the left and their ad hoc, reinvent the wheel, permissive morality.
    –Somewhat OT illustration of the same larger issue: somewhere there is a (pg-rated) “gotcha” interview of (fully clothed) Alexis Texas at a convention. She’s part Puerto Rican and famously does not do blacks. And the interviewer is confronting her about as aggressively as is legal about it. Her voice shakes as she mumbles about how who she sleeps with is her choice.

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    Nice summary. A triumph of the homintern, and a sad and unnecessary death IMO. I don’t know why it rubs me up the wrong way but it does. A woman isn't allowed to choose who she sleeps with in the line if work? Some gays I don't mind but these gays would be best drowned in a bog IMO, ancient Germania style.

    https://vultureofcritique.wordpress.com/2015/06/07/would-the-pagan-germans-drown-oscar-wilde-in-a-bog/
    , @Corn
    Indeed, it’s funny how the Left’s “my body, my choice” rhetoric went out the window when this young woman didn’t want to have sex with a PC favored class. Not a big fan of the porn industry but RIP
    , @Thea
    I don't quite understand how porn is legal but not prostitution.

    What happened to their cherished moral standard of consent?
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  34. J.Ross says: • Website

    REUTERS: FRANKEN RESIGNING

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  35. J.Ross says: • Website

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-franken-resignation/senator-franken-to-resign-on-thursday-minnesota-public-radio-idUSKBN1E037H

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Democratic Senator Al Franken, facing allegations of sexual misconduct, will resign on Thursday, Minnesota Public Radio reported on Wednesday, citing an unnamed Democratic official.
    ——
    What’s the track record for causes and people that Steve takes it upon himself to defend?

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  36. Anonym says:
    @Anonym
    Jack didn’t harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

    It helps to be good looking, famous, powerful, youngish and wealthy. What were they going to say? "Go away Jack, I can do better."?

    Oh, and smart. But cool. And be 2-6 std dev above avg in each. If you want to be seduced by the likes of MM, just be all of those things at once.

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  37. JL says:

    Tough call. On the one hand, Steve’s probably right that this is a major overreaction. On the other, Franken is such scum that seeing him demeaned, defeated and forced out anyway possible can’t help but bring a smile to my face. So I’ll just roll with the double standard for now.

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  38. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous

    The Democrats can’t absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They’ll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.
     
    Jack didn't harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74oWon5VTo

    I wouldn’t be surprised if what JFK did would be considered harassment today, at least in many cases. It would certainly be considered creepy given that he was married.

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  39. Evidence? We don’t need no stinking evidence!

    When does Rush Limbaugh come out with a book, Al Franken is a Big Fat Idiot ?

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  40. Regarding Roy Moore: for some reason, nobody wants to clearly articulate the situation with Roy Moore. Defenders don’t state their real feelings, and opponents mischaracterize the defenders’ views to make them more creepy (‘Roy Moore’s defenders accept pedophiles’).

    The bottom line is: defenders of Roy Moore think he probably dated or attempted to date teenagers (17+) as a young 30′s lawyer. They think it might be odd or pitiful, but not a firing offense, and are willing to give him a pass given 1) the times (and place-rural Alabama) were probably different, and pursuing older teenagers isn’t illegal or immoral-its just represents perhaps a bit of social oddity (for instance, in high school one of my female classmates surreptitiously dated, and ultimately married, a track coach. Odd, for both, but not illegal or immoral-and in fact, given that they ultimately married, entirely fine), and 2) they don’t believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one’s willing to just come out and say this.

    But then I noticed this article while reading a link from Drudge (I think regarding Trump’s movement of the embassy to Jerusalem):

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5152611/Sofia-Richie-beach-day-boyfriend-Scott-Disick.html

    So not only is Moore’s activity not immoral or illegal: it is fully acceptable (and even celebrated) if you are in the right social group (actor or rock star, I guess. I’ve never heard of either person in the article, above). The 30′s guy in the article dating the 19 year old is, at the moment, one of the luckiest guys in the world!

    joe

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    • Replies: @Anon
    I must be unique then. I believe the charges are true and Moore is an embarrassing hick, but I want him elected anyway just to keep the seat out of democrat "no white males need apply" hands (a nearly accurate advertisement for tech jobs at the DNC, as I understand it). Moore can resign his seat after he wins, just as long as the rats don't get their hateful paws on it.
    , @anon
    2) they don’t believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one’s willing to just come out and say this.

    I'll say it. I'll even go so far as to make it a general rule.

    When someone is a public figure for years, I will disregard any charges of sexual misconduct that come out within six months of an election in which he is a candidate. Unless there are photos or something. Otherwise, it's just too easy for a set-up. If it was true and so important,you should have said something sooner.

    , @william munny
    I agree, but don't even think there is anything that odd about a guy in his 30s into 17-19s, especially then. For a long time, sweet little 16 was the minimum age acceptable in wider society. It has been moving up. I seem to recall that there was some mild uproar when Seinfeld dated a 17-year-old, about 25 years ago. But he was the king of tv at the time, and no one ever claimed he was a child molester or anything that stupid. It would not be allowed to pass in 2017, but 18 or 19 probably.
    , @Jack D
    The core of the accusations against Moore involve the 14 year old. A thirty-something pursuing 16 year olds in a state where the age of consent is 16 is not illegal but perhaps still creepy in a way that dating a 19 year old is not. If Moore had had a 19 year old girlfriend like Disick then no one would have or could have said a word about it. But 14 year olds are off limits, so if you believe the story about the 14 year old then what Moore did was actually criminal. Not just unethical or creepy or harassment, but an actual crime.

    Of course all of this is partisan who-whomism, going both ways. If Moore was the leftist candidate would you be defending him in this way?
    , @Dahlia

    Regarding Roy Moore: for some reason, nobody wants to clearly articulate the situation with Roy Moore. Defenders don’t state their real feelings, and opponents mischaracterize the defenders’ views to make them more creepy (‘Roy Moore’s defenders accept pedophiles’).
     
    Everything you said was well said.

    But I'm curious about why there has not been a more vociferous defense or desire to look into this case like we did with Sabrina Erdely and Rolling Stone...

    If I didn't have my own current problems with the justice system myself, I'd have loved to sink my teeth into this because it has all the red flags of "A Rape on Campus"; I wish others felt the same way, but I'm a Southerner and perhaps the teen stuff bothers others in a way that it just doesn't bother me. I really do believe the poor man was just wife-hunting. Anyway...

    Just one example that isn't being completely slayed because too few good guys are looking at it: currently, people are going on an on about a yearbook forgery and handwriting and *I WANT TO TEAR MY HAIR OUT*.
    Again, no clear allegations are being made. "But here's a second book!" Okay and so? The handwriting looks legit. I believe it's his. Again, so what? By the way, let's look at the Nelson one (Allred client who alleged a serious crime) again next to the new one... it *strengthens the case that the Nelson one is a forgery, lol!!!
    Graphology was a hobby of mine in high school and though I've forgotten so much, the particulars of forgeries - slowness, more careful placement of dashes and dots, and especially heavier pressure owed to greater concentration in trying to copy- are present.
    Nah, they're not giving that yearbook up for examination, lol!

    That's just one. JUST ONE!
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  41. Ed says:
    @Simon
    I think Franken is an odious creep and amply deserves whatever ill befalls him, but as a general rule I don't think anyone should lose his Senate seat merely because he forced kisses on a few women or grabbed their asses. And what Roy Moore is accused of doing four decades ago seems even more inconsequential. Alabama Republicans should vote for him; the GOP Senate needs every vote it can get.

    (I know I'm in the minority on this, but such nonviolent offenses strike me as pathetically trivial. These people are shaping national policy, for God's sake; I don't care if they're role models. Conyers' case strikes me as worse, but only because he secretly used taxpayer money.)

    A clever tweeter, forget who, said something that made sense to me -- something on the order of: If you were an abolitionist in the late 1850s and learned that your candidate was guilty of sexual misconduct or perhaps some graver misbehavior, would you therefore, on principle, vote instead for a pro-slavery candidate?

    I agree and being in the minority during these times is an honorable thing.

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  42. Brabantian says: • Website

    Quotable from ZeroHedge political artist William Banzai -

    Nooooo ONe EXPeCTS THe SNoW FLaKe INQuiSiTioN!

    Oh noooo! Not Hillary ‘Me, too!!!’

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    Oh yeah, President Obama speechwriter and Charlie Rose-show health-care humorist Jon Favreau actually did what you depict, that is, grope an image of Hillary Clinton:

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=PK8l1clj&id=E2D56DED7D16C64E04A243EA02FF4ED59C592CD0&thid=OIP.PK8l1cljXsBf-Msj_1A6YwEsDa&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2flatimesblogs.latimes.com%2fwashington%2fimages%2f2008%2f12%2f06%2ffavreaujonwashpost44.jpg&exph=357&expw=490&q=obama+staffers+groping+hillary+cutout&simid=608018863947908174&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

    The Favreau picture is only "funny" in the context of "campus frat culture."
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  43. slumber_j says:
    @Anonymous

    The Democrats can’t absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They’ll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.
     
    Jack didn't harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74oWon5VTo

    I dunno, there is the super-creepy story about the girl in the White House swimming pool. But that probably doesn’t narrow it down much.

    Depending on the situation one can be either harasser or seducer, and JFK seems to have been both at various times. Unlike Teddy.

    Anyway, I think Steve is right about Al Franken. In my view his biggest crime over the years is having been chronically unfunny. Maybe if he’d found a bag of sex in a car to put him over the top, he could have relaxed and told better jokes.

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    Depending on the situation one can be either harasser or seducer, and JFK seems to have been both at various times. Unlike Teddy.
     
    Sexual harassment seems an awful lot like an unsuccessful attempt at seduction. Faint heart never won fair lady. I obviously exclude the exhibitionist masturbation and the like of Weinstein and Rattner.

    I think Teddy was quite successful with the ladies as well as a seducer. He just seemed to be the furthest down the line as far as indulgence of his appetites and that's going to lead to some unfortunate situations.
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  44. Kirt says:

    Who needs evidence and who needs to be a “major” sexual harasser? Things moved way beyond that point at least a couple of weeks ago and arguably were cooked in years ago when sexual harassment was pretty much defined to include anything from staring to actual rape. Al Franken does not deserve my defense, it wouldn’t do him any good and would just make me a target.

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  45. @Bubba
    True, Franken is a straight-arrow choir boy compared to the late Saint Teddy Kennedy of the Democratic Party. Saint Teddy was the ne plus ultra of male sexual harassers, far more than even a psychopath like Bill Clinton. I mean it takes more than chutzpah to murder a woman, get away with it, and then single-handedly lead the charge accusing a bookish Clarence Thomas as a vile harasser of women. The Democrats can't absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They'll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.

    Yes, no one could surpass the Kennedies for using and destroying women. The entire clan, multi-generational, starting with Joe Sr. — drunks, scumbags, lechers, rapists, slayers of mistresses, etc. JFK Jr. was told he didn’t have the piloting skills to fly his new plane in the dark and bad weather, but, hey, what did they know? So he brought along his wife and her sister. Why squander your own life when you can wipe out a couple of chicks on the way?

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/10/from-ted-kennedy-to-harvey-weinstein-or.html

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    Recent investigations are showing that the fugitive Haven Monahan might be William Kennedy Smith's long lost cousin and another nephew of Teddy and Jack.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Stephen, I get confused with the Kennedys and their cousins, but didn't one have an affair with his children's 14 year old babysitter.
    , @Stan Adams
    Michael Kennedy was even dumber than John-John.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_LeMoyne_Kennedy

    Kennedy died on December 31, 1997, in a skiing accident in Aspen Mountain, Colorado. He was playing football while on skis with several other members of the Kennedy family when at approximately 4:15 p.m. he hit a tree. Kennedy was not wearing a helmet or other safety equipment. Some have stated that the family had been previously warned by the ski patrol to cease the activity. Others have stated that the ski patrol issued no such warnings. Following the accident Kennedy was taken to Aspen Valley Hospital where he was pronounced dead at 5:50 p.m.
     
    Who plays football on skis? (I'm from Miami, so I don't know if it's a Thing or not.)
    , @dr kill
    Kennedys have trouble with all modes of transportation, from PT boats to B17s to Piper Saratogas to downhill skis to 1967 Delmont 88's to Jeep Cherokees to treadmills.

    I suppose they should have just walked.
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  46. @Whiskey
    Its as Whorefinder said a month ago. All those Hillary jobs never materialized when she lost, so now the only way to keep heads above water is to throw existing officeholders, and others, out. That's exactly what's happening. The dogs that are not barking: no young, Black, Muslim, or Lesbian officeholder, infotainment celeb, or executive has been fired for grabbing, pinching, lewd remarks, or pathetic come-ons.

    A pathetic, sad dude in a Wheelchair gets fired for lame come-ons. By women who should be ashamed they can't deal with a sad dude in a ... wheelchair. Or some old guys pushing 80 get fired from NPR.

    The questions are, who benefits from dumping Franken and Lauer? SOMEBODY wants their positions. With Franken I figure its Keith Ellison X. He's been known to harbor ambitions beyond his make-work position at the DNC under Tom Perez. He'd be perfect for a replacement for the Jewish Franken -- a Black Muslim with large amounts of Hate Whitey history. That's catnip for Democrats. For Lauer, you have to look at who in NBC wants him and his protectors gone to move up? Meghan Kelly? Its a total lawyer move.

    Soon there will not be a straight White man left in Democratic politics, in media, in corporations, in government, or much of any place else including the military and NASA. After all, our success in space was entirely due to sassy Black women fixing dumb White guys mistakes, because when it comes to math and science White dudes are complete idiots just like on TV and commercials, and Black women are super-geniuses the way waify 110 lb women beat up 300 lb bad dudes.

    If its on TV it MUST be true ...

    You’ve nailed it. Time to clear out the obnoxious, left-wing Jew — too status quo for the Dems who always have to be pushing the envelope toward the lunatic fringe. Bring on an understudy of “Calypso Louie” Farrakhan to the Senate and let him shake things up a bit.

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  47. What do you mean obnoxious? Franken played Stewart Smiley, in a baby-blue poliester sweater, as an over-the-top smarmy damaged fragile loser, not a licenced therapist, but a loving caring human bean. Hilarious! I confess not being that avid a SNL viewer. Wasn’t Stewart Smiley his basic schtick? Like Tracy Morgan playing Brian Fellowes, the nature lover in a white-hunter’s outfit, with a 10th grade education. Hilarious!

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  48. The real question that should be asked is why there are so many otherwise very successful middle-aged men who ought to know better making fools of themselves with clumsy passes at the help. Can’t we find some better way of helping them get their sexual desires met in a socially acceptable way?

    Perhaps Congress needs to charter a jet to make quarterly fact-finding trips to Thailand to investigate the state of the sex tourism industry. And there ought to be an enquiry into the effects of Viagra on the libidos of old fools. Was it not a politician, Bob Dole, who started all this?

    The advertisement is interesting, but why does his wife not appear with him to testify to the efficacy of the little blue pill? When will they come for Bob Dole. Time is running out fast.

    And was Jerusalem builded here,
    Among these dark Satanic Mills?

    [William Blake: Tyger Publishing Inc., 1808]

    And what happened to that discussion thread? There are dark forces at work.

    Bring me my Chariot of fire!

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    The real question that should be asked is why there are so many otherwise very successful middle-aged men who ought to know better making fools of themselves with clumsy passes at the help. Can’t we find some better way of helping them get their sexual desires met in a socially acceptable way?
     
    I remember, clear as day, listening to Al Franken’s radio show on Air America when he was talking about a middle-aged male politician who destroyed his career over a sex scandal. I’ll never forget Franken’s take on it because it was honest and was the same thing I always thought. He said how could these guys throw away a career over sex? And while sex is great and everything it’s not that great where it should and could ever ruin your life.

    Now, that is the thinking of a rational male in a day-to-day situation who is in the normal mode of thinking long term. Not in an exciting situation where his juices are flowing and short-circuiting his brain. I’m a middle-aged (50’s) man and I’ve never had an extramarital affair. But about 5 years ago I was in a situation where I got very close with a very exotic and sexy younger woman who used tell me about triple x-rated dreams she had of us together (NB: my wife has never gone beyond R-rated stuff, even in bed). It started slow but over the 6 months she did little things to seduce me. She knew I was married but assured me that my wife would never find out. Which, given the circumstances, was probably true. But thank God I never acted on what my dick or the little devil on my shoulder was whispering in my ear (“Go ahead... just this once... just look at this gorgeous and sexy woman and her perfect body...”). I extricated myself from the situation and now pretty much follow the same rules of opposite sex interaction as Mike Pence. We all screw up in life and make stupid mistakes. That one, adultery, is one of the ones you really can never come back from. And certainly not in middle age where your actions say more about your character than when you’re college-aged and under.

    , @carol
    Yep, my theory too. Before, an old guy risked major humiliation so he had to dial back his aggression a little, make sure the girl would "understand" you know. It was the greatest thing to happen to old letches and aging tops.

    But oh noes, muh Viagra. LOL

    , @sabril

    The real question that should be asked is why there are so many otherwise very successful middle-aged men who ought to know better making fools of themselves with clumsy passes at the help
     
    I would guess that a lot of these passes succeed. What woman is going to come forward and something like "when I was 25 I had a fling with my 50 year old boss; we both enjoyed it; he later gave me a recommendation for a really good job; and I still have fond memories of our time together."
    , @Alden
    There are thousands of very pretty, youngish disease free escort girls in DC. But they cost money. The grabbing isn't really a sexual come on. It's more like middle school boys at the school bus stop.

    What normal adult man would just grab a co worker in an elevator? But liberals aren't normal.
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  49. TG says:

    I’m not a great fan of Al Franken, but like Roy Moore, he is not a complete corporate lickspittle whore. So of course the establishment would like a chance to take him down.

    If you are on the side of the oligarchs, you can do no wrong – example A is Bill Clinton, but for most of these sell-outs, the bottom line it that there will be no investigations and nothing will come out in the first place. If you are perceived as a roadblock to their agenda – and it doesn’t matter if you are ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’ – then you will be put under a microscope, big money will be made available for people who squawk in public, and the corporate press will scream that this person is unacceptable. And yet Bill Clinton continues on the boards of major corporations, he is part of major commissions etc. and is generally treated as an elder statesman. Meanwhile Elliot Spitzer has his phones tapped etc. to find any dirt, and whenever he tries to do anything in the public sphere the press screams that he is unacceptable. Unacceptable to the elites, that is.

    I live in the great state of Alabama and I plan on voting for Roy Moore next week, even though I strongly suspect him to be barking mad. Because even though the enemy of my enemy might be worse, throwing sand in the face of an enemy at least feels good.

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  50. Busby says:

    This is truly a disappointing ending to the Al Franken Century.

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  51. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Twinkie
    Do we have to worry about you, Mr. Sailer? :)

    The last guy to defend a harasser turned out to be... something.

    Do we have to worry about you, Mr. Sailer? :)

    The last guy to defend a harasser turned out to be… something.

    Reprllent?

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  52. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    In the present climate, I think Ted Kennedy would have been asked to resign as a senator, too. Things have changed.

    In the present climate, I think Ted Kennedy would have been asked to resign as a senator, too. Things have changed.

    Back then, people weren’t woke enough to take manslaughter seriously.

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  53. The new standard of sexual harassment is pretending to grab a pornography model’s fake boobs through a flak jacket, for a photo.

    The thing is though, the accuser needs 10 years to mull it over in comparison to all the blow jobs she had to dole out over at the “Mansion” just for the opportunity to become a porn model. A sense of proportion is essential.

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  54. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @joeyjoejoe
    Regarding Roy Moore: for some reason, nobody wants to clearly articulate the situation with Roy Moore. Defenders don't state their real feelings, and opponents mischaracterize the defenders' views to make them more creepy ('Roy Moore's defenders accept pedophiles').

    The bottom line is: defenders of Roy Moore think he probably dated or attempted to date teenagers (17+) as a young 30's lawyer. They think it might be odd or pitiful, but not a firing offense, and are willing to give him a pass given 1) the times (and place-rural Alabama) were probably different, and pursuing older teenagers isn't illegal or immoral-its just represents perhaps a bit of social oddity (for instance, in high school one of my female classmates surreptitiously dated, and ultimately married, a track coach. Odd, for both, but not illegal or immoral-and in fact, given that they ultimately married, entirely fine), and 2) they don't believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one's willing to just come out and say this.

    But then I noticed this article while reading a link from Drudge (I think regarding Trump's movement of the embassy to Jerusalem):


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5152611/Sofia-Richie-beach-day-boyfriend-Scott-Disick.html

    So not only is Moore's activity not immoral or illegal: it is fully acceptable (and even celebrated) if you are in the right social group (actor or rock star, I guess. I've never heard of either person in the article, above). The 30's guy in the article dating the 19 year old is, at the moment, one of the luckiest guys in the world!

    joe

    I must be unique then. I believe the charges are true and Moore is an embarrassing hick, but I want him elected anyway just to keep the seat out of democrat “no white males need apply” hands (a nearly accurate advertisement for tech jobs at the DNC, as I understand it). Moore can resign his seat after he wins, just as long as the rats don’t get their hateful paws on it.

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  55. Arnold must be happy that he is not currently in office.

    My mom once told me that at an autograph signing at the late Planet Hollywood in the Mall of America (ahemm, Somalia), he asked her to meet her at his trailer. My mom was in her late 40′s at the time.

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  56. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @joeyjoejoe
    Regarding Roy Moore: for some reason, nobody wants to clearly articulate the situation with Roy Moore. Defenders don't state their real feelings, and opponents mischaracterize the defenders' views to make them more creepy ('Roy Moore's defenders accept pedophiles').

    The bottom line is: defenders of Roy Moore think he probably dated or attempted to date teenagers (17+) as a young 30's lawyer. They think it might be odd or pitiful, but not a firing offense, and are willing to give him a pass given 1) the times (and place-rural Alabama) were probably different, and pursuing older teenagers isn't illegal or immoral-its just represents perhaps a bit of social oddity (for instance, in high school one of my female classmates surreptitiously dated, and ultimately married, a track coach. Odd, for both, but not illegal or immoral-and in fact, given that they ultimately married, entirely fine), and 2) they don't believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one's willing to just come out and say this.

    But then I noticed this article while reading a link from Drudge (I think regarding Trump's movement of the embassy to Jerusalem):


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5152611/Sofia-Richie-beach-day-boyfriend-Scott-Disick.html

    So not only is Moore's activity not immoral or illegal: it is fully acceptable (and even celebrated) if you are in the right social group (actor or rock star, I guess. I've never heard of either person in the article, above). The 30's guy in the article dating the 19 year old is, at the moment, one of the luckiest guys in the world!

    joe

    2) they don’t believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one’s willing to just come out and say this.

    I’ll say it. I’ll even go so far as to make it a general rule.

    When someone is a public figure for years, I will disregard any charges of sexual misconduct that come out within six months of an election in which he is a candidate. Unless there are photos or something. Otherwise, it’s just too easy for a set-up. If it was true and so important,you should have said something sooner.

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  57. @Lugash
    The Age of Evidence is over. All hail the Age of Accusation!

    AL Franken admitted to some of the inappropriate behavior….and all of the accusers were Democrat’s who supported Franken politically…

    Franken could have used the Clinton strategy of Deny, Deny, DENY and hire operatives to discredit the women..His wife has yet to defend her husband…

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  58. CAL2 says:
    @candid_observer
    Look, in a sane world, the sort of liberties Franken took would hardly be enough to do him in.

    But Franken was a leading advocate for an insane world in which they would.

    I should feel bad about poor Al Franken, caught in his own phoniness?

    I disagree. There’s a photo of him groping a sleeping woman. A sane world has him resigning immediately due to the pressure everyone puts on him. It’s not Weinstein level. However, it’s not down to the “He put his hand on my knee” or “He asked me to have sex with him a handful of times” level of simple jerkiness. It’s still over the line behavior.

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    No, there's a photo of him pretending to grope a sleeping women. Crass, true, but hardly assault.
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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Mason
    The real question that should be asked is why there are so many otherwise very successful middle-aged men who ought to know better making fools of themselves with clumsy passes at the help. Can't we find some better way of helping them get their sexual desires met in a socially acceptable way?

    Perhaps Congress needs to charter a jet to make quarterly fact-finding trips to Thailand to investigate the state of the sex tourism industry. And there ought to be an enquiry into the effects of Viagra on the libidos of old fools. Was it not a politician, Bob Dole, who started all this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBdgpjnKInA

    The advertisement is interesting, but why does his wife not appear with him to testify to the efficacy of the little blue pill? When will they come for Bob Dole. Time is running out fast.


    And was Jerusalem builded here,
    Among these dark Satanic Mills?
     
    [William Blake: Tyger Publishing Inc., 1808]

    And what happened to that discussion thread? There are dark forces at work.


    Bring me my Chariot of fire!
     

    The real question that should be asked is why there are so many otherwise very successful middle-aged men who ought to know better making fools of themselves with clumsy passes at the help. Can’t we find some better way of helping them get their sexual desires met in a socially acceptable way?

    I remember, clear as day, listening to Al Franken’s radio show on Air America when he was talking about a middle-aged male politician who destroyed his career over a sex scandal. I’ll never forget Franken’s take on it because it was honest and was the same thing I always thought. He said how could these guys throw away a career over sex? And while sex is great and everything it’s not that great where it should and could ever ruin your life.

    Now, that is the thinking of a rational male in a day-to-day situation who is in the normal mode of thinking long term. Not in an exciting situation where his juices are flowing and short-circuiting his brain. I’m a middle-aged (50’s) man and I’ve never had an extramarital affair. But about 5 years ago I was in a situation where I got very close with a very exotic and sexy younger woman who used tell me about triple x-rated dreams she had of us together (NB: my wife has never gone beyond R-rated stuff, even in bed). It started slow but over the 6 months she did little things to seduce me. She knew I was married but assured me that my wife would never find out. Which, given the circumstances, was probably true. But thank God I never acted on what my dick or the little devil on my shoulder was whispering in my ear (“Go ahead… just this once… just look at this gorgeous and sexy woman and her perfect body…”). I extricated myself from the situation and now pretty much follow the same rules of opposite sex interaction as Mike Pence. We all screw up in life and make stupid mistakes. That one, adultery, is one of the ones you really can never come back from. And certainly not in middle age where your actions say more about your character than when you’re college-aged and under.

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  60. @joeyjoejoe
    Regarding Roy Moore: for some reason, nobody wants to clearly articulate the situation with Roy Moore. Defenders don't state their real feelings, and opponents mischaracterize the defenders' views to make them more creepy ('Roy Moore's defenders accept pedophiles').

    The bottom line is: defenders of Roy Moore think he probably dated or attempted to date teenagers (17+) as a young 30's lawyer. They think it might be odd or pitiful, but not a firing offense, and are willing to give him a pass given 1) the times (and place-rural Alabama) were probably different, and pursuing older teenagers isn't illegal or immoral-its just represents perhaps a bit of social oddity (for instance, in high school one of my female classmates surreptitiously dated, and ultimately married, a track coach. Odd, for both, but not illegal or immoral-and in fact, given that they ultimately married, entirely fine), and 2) they don't believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one's willing to just come out and say this.

    But then I noticed this article while reading a link from Drudge (I think regarding Trump's movement of the embassy to Jerusalem):


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5152611/Sofia-Richie-beach-day-boyfriend-Scott-Disick.html

    So not only is Moore's activity not immoral or illegal: it is fully acceptable (and even celebrated) if you are in the right social group (actor or rock star, I guess. I've never heard of either person in the article, above). The 30's guy in the article dating the 19 year old is, at the moment, one of the luckiest guys in the world!

    joe

    I agree, but don’t even think there is anything that odd about a guy in his 30s into 17-19s, especially then. For a long time, sweet little 16 was the minimum age acceptable in wider society. It has been moving up. I seem to recall that there was some mild uproar when Seinfeld dated a 17-year-old, about 25 years ago. But he was the king of tv at the time, and no one ever claimed he was a child molester or anything that stupid. It would not be allowed to pass in 2017, but 18 or 19 probably.

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    Seinfeld's 17 yo ex-gf Shoshanna Lonstein: https://i.redditmedia.com/C0-94lmpfQsWRMbLWClrRRIRozwjEEM0Zw-TLNtWvxU.jpg?w=561&s=b0ed300dca08e1973415b769fe796acc

    Yowsa!

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  61. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Thomas
    Seven accusations and not exactly denials on his part. I think he's mostly just a grabby oaf, to hear the stories coming out. They're not Weinstein-level predation.

    But... he opted to line up on the side he did, and to be, as pointed out, one of the more obnoxious and self-promoting thugs on that side. He's gotta live with his choices and the rules of the people he threw in with.

    don’t forget the photographic evidence of his “oafishness”.

    i generally agree with Steve’s moderation, but in this particular instance, when the enemy (who is trying displace the generic American) is engaged in a circular firing squad, my restraint lessens somewhat until the shooting stops.

    THEN the sober reflection.

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  62. Anonym says:
    @J.Ross
    Briefly, to get out ahead of this since I have been following it:
    --Porn stars tell themselves they are safe because of testing (for venereal disease).
    --Porn stars are largely leftists who support LGBT causes and see themselves as championing individual freedom, especially the freedom of women to choose their partners.
    --They have this idee fixe that mandating testing will guarantee lying and cheating; the control here is that a person who does not volunteer for voluntary testing can always be rejected through female sexual sovereignty.
    --There have already been several scandals where irate industry rejects and troublemakers have "outed" people with their real names and medical records. This is very unpleasant and illegal, but it has also established beyond doubt that voluntary testing (and discovering infection after the fact) is a joke.
    --A large number of porn stars commit suicide, often overdosing on painkillers.
    --"August Ames" (original name Mercedes Grabowski) was assigned to "do a scene" with a primarily gay guy who does not condescend to meet the voluntary testing protocol.
    --The gay venereal disease situation is like the black venereal disease situation, and for the same reasons. Thus there is a certain undeclared boundary, of porn stars who categorically reject blacks and bisexuals, and from that it proceeds that the Left wants that boundary broken down.
    --Ames warned [whoever replaced her for this scene] on twitter about the guy who's too good to get tested or wear a condom.
    --She was immediately targeted by the gay mafia, to include a "journalist" who framed her statements as rank homophobia and "offered" her the chance to explain herself, like a cop might. This is important because governments are looking at official registration of real journalists, and because it represented a threat of further publicity.
    --One gay guy flat out told her to apologize or commit suicide ("swallow cyanide"). His tone was not unique.
    --He later explained his actions in incomprehensible Leftspeak: "I used her platform to address an issue."
    --Ames hung herself after two days of comments like this.
    --She had some support: at least one fellow female star explained to a third party that the man Ames was avoiding was known to not meet the protocols.
    --There is a general situation where gay men are allowed to do whatever they want, most recently illustrated by California making it legal to not inform sexual partners of HIV-infected status.
    --This might seem sordid or unimportant, but the suicide of August Ames actually ties together the whole brainlessness and destructiveness of the left and their ad hoc, reinvent the wheel, permissive morality.
    --Somewhat OT illustration of the same larger issue: somewhere there is a (pg-rated) "gotcha" interview of (fully clothed) Alexis Texas at a convention. She's part Puerto Rican and famously does not do blacks. And the interviewer is confronting her about as aggressively as is legal about it. Her voice shakes as she mumbles about how who she sleeps with is her choice.

    Nice summary. A triumph of the homintern, and a sad and unnecessary death IMO. I don’t know why it rubs me up the wrong way but it does. A woman isn’t allowed to choose who she sleeps with in the line if work? Some gays I don’t mind but these gays would be best drowned in a bog IMO, ancient Germania style.

    https://vultureofcritique.wordpress.com/2015/06/07/would-the-pagan-germans-drown-oscar-wilde-in-a-bog/

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  63. carol says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    The real question that should be asked is why there are so many otherwise very successful middle-aged men who ought to know better making fools of themselves with clumsy passes at the help. Can't we find some better way of helping them get their sexual desires met in a socially acceptable way?

    Perhaps Congress needs to charter a jet to make quarterly fact-finding trips to Thailand to investigate the state of the sex tourism industry. And there ought to be an enquiry into the effects of Viagra on the libidos of old fools. Was it not a politician, Bob Dole, who started all this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBdgpjnKInA

    The advertisement is interesting, but why does his wife not appear with him to testify to the efficacy of the little blue pill? When will they come for Bob Dole. Time is running out fast.


    And was Jerusalem builded here,
    Among these dark Satanic Mills?
     
    [William Blake: Tyger Publishing Inc., 1808]

    And what happened to that discussion thread? There are dark forces at work.


    Bring me my Chariot of fire!
     

    Yep, my theory too. Before, an old guy risked major humiliation so he had to dial back his aggression a little, make sure the girl would “understand” you know. It was the greatest thing to happen to old letches and aging tops.

    But oh noes, muh Viagra. LOL

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  64. Corn says:
    @J.Ross
    Briefly, to get out ahead of this since I have been following it:
    --Porn stars tell themselves they are safe because of testing (for venereal disease).
    --Porn stars are largely leftists who support LGBT causes and see themselves as championing individual freedom, especially the freedom of women to choose their partners.
    --They have this idee fixe that mandating testing will guarantee lying and cheating; the control here is that a person who does not volunteer for voluntary testing can always be rejected through female sexual sovereignty.
    --There have already been several scandals where irate industry rejects and troublemakers have "outed" people with their real names and medical records. This is very unpleasant and illegal, but it has also established beyond doubt that voluntary testing (and discovering infection after the fact) is a joke.
    --A large number of porn stars commit suicide, often overdosing on painkillers.
    --"August Ames" (original name Mercedes Grabowski) was assigned to "do a scene" with a primarily gay guy who does not condescend to meet the voluntary testing protocol.
    --The gay venereal disease situation is like the black venereal disease situation, and for the same reasons. Thus there is a certain undeclared boundary, of porn stars who categorically reject blacks and bisexuals, and from that it proceeds that the Left wants that boundary broken down.
    --Ames warned [whoever replaced her for this scene] on twitter about the guy who's too good to get tested or wear a condom.
    --She was immediately targeted by the gay mafia, to include a "journalist" who framed her statements as rank homophobia and "offered" her the chance to explain herself, like a cop might. This is important because governments are looking at official registration of real journalists, and because it represented a threat of further publicity.
    --One gay guy flat out told her to apologize or commit suicide ("swallow cyanide"). His tone was not unique.
    --He later explained his actions in incomprehensible Leftspeak: "I used her platform to address an issue."
    --Ames hung herself after two days of comments like this.
    --She had some support: at least one fellow female star explained to a third party that the man Ames was avoiding was known to not meet the protocols.
    --There is a general situation where gay men are allowed to do whatever they want, most recently illustrated by California making it legal to not inform sexual partners of HIV-infected status.
    --This might seem sordid or unimportant, but the suicide of August Ames actually ties together the whole brainlessness and destructiveness of the left and their ad hoc, reinvent the wheel, permissive morality.
    --Somewhat OT illustration of the same larger issue: somewhere there is a (pg-rated) "gotcha" interview of (fully clothed) Alexis Texas at a convention. She's part Puerto Rican and famously does not do blacks. And the interviewer is confronting her about as aggressively as is legal about it. Her voice shakes as she mumbles about how who she sleeps with is her choice.

    Indeed, it’s funny how the Left’s “my body, my choice” rhetoric went out the window when this young woman didn’t want to have sex with a PC favored class. Not a big fan of the porn industry but RIP

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  65. Svigor says:

    What’s the track record for causes and people that Steve takes it upon himself to defend?

    In Steve’s defense, he very likely knew Franken was going tits-up, yesterday. I certainly tipped him off, for one.

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    I haven’t read up on Franken’s alleged misdeeds, so I’ve only gotten a scrap here and there. That said, nothing I’ve read sounds like something he should be taken down for, per se.

    That said, I’m looking forward to seeing him taken down. When someone is already in a state of “should be taken down” (i.e., Franken’s politics, shady way he got the office in the first place), I don’t care what eventually takes him down.

    A pathetic, sad dude in a Wheelchair gets fired for lame come-ons. By women who should be ashamed they can’t deal with a sad dude in a … wheelchair. Or some old guys pushing 80 get fired from NPR.

    Funny, but I don’t feel any sympathy for any of the leftists in Big Media, not even the octogenarians, or the ones in wheelchairs. And any time I hear about someone in Big Media I never heard of before, I assume he’s a leftist.

    So not only is Moore’s activity not immoral or illegal: it is fully acceptable (and even celebrated) if you are in the right social group (actor or rock star, I guess. I’ve never heard of either person in the article, above). The 30′s guy in the article dating the 19 year old is, at the moment, one of the luckiest guys in the world!

    Try and see it from the left’s point of view. They’re used to holding the GOP to higher standards; the current situation must have them very confused and upset. The Moore thing is an attempt to right the ship of state, as it were.

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  66. Thea says:
    @J.Ross
    Briefly, to get out ahead of this since I have been following it:
    --Porn stars tell themselves they are safe because of testing (for venereal disease).
    --Porn stars are largely leftists who support LGBT causes and see themselves as championing individual freedom, especially the freedom of women to choose their partners.
    --They have this idee fixe that mandating testing will guarantee lying and cheating; the control here is that a person who does not volunteer for voluntary testing can always be rejected through female sexual sovereignty.
    --There have already been several scandals where irate industry rejects and troublemakers have "outed" people with their real names and medical records. This is very unpleasant and illegal, but it has also established beyond doubt that voluntary testing (and discovering infection after the fact) is a joke.
    --A large number of porn stars commit suicide, often overdosing on painkillers.
    --"August Ames" (original name Mercedes Grabowski) was assigned to "do a scene" with a primarily gay guy who does not condescend to meet the voluntary testing protocol.
    --The gay venereal disease situation is like the black venereal disease situation, and for the same reasons. Thus there is a certain undeclared boundary, of porn stars who categorically reject blacks and bisexuals, and from that it proceeds that the Left wants that boundary broken down.
    --Ames warned [whoever replaced her for this scene] on twitter about the guy who's too good to get tested or wear a condom.
    --She was immediately targeted by the gay mafia, to include a "journalist" who framed her statements as rank homophobia and "offered" her the chance to explain herself, like a cop might. This is important because governments are looking at official registration of real journalists, and because it represented a threat of further publicity.
    --One gay guy flat out told her to apologize or commit suicide ("swallow cyanide"). His tone was not unique.
    --He later explained his actions in incomprehensible Leftspeak: "I used her platform to address an issue."
    --Ames hung herself after two days of comments like this.
    --She had some support: at least one fellow female star explained to a third party that the man Ames was avoiding was known to not meet the protocols.
    --There is a general situation where gay men are allowed to do whatever they want, most recently illustrated by California making it legal to not inform sexual partners of HIV-infected status.
    --This might seem sordid or unimportant, but the suicide of August Ames actually ties together the whole brainlessness and destructiveness of the left and their ad hoc, reinvent the wheel, permissive morality.
    --Somewhat OT illustration of the same larger issue: somewhere there is a (pg-rated) "gotcha" interview of (fully clothed) Alexis Texas at a convention. She's part Puerto Rican and famously does not do blacks. And the interviewer is confronting her about as aggressively as is legal about it. Her voice shakes as she mumbles about how who she sleeps with is her choice.

    I don’t quite understand how porn is legal but not prostitution.

    What happened to their cherished moral standard of consent?

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    Jean-Pierre Airut wrote in Causeur, as NVB was reopening the prostitution debate in France:

    That'll be the last straw, when, in a society where sadomasochists are "living out their fantasies" and not flaunting their squalidness; where freely-consenting men and women can, from age 15 on, copulate in organized group sessions; where pornographic shows have full licence; where "freedom of enterprise" means one can open in good standing a swingers' club in view of the street; where former porn stars are flaunted as pop culture heroes for the young in mainstream media; where casual streetside solicitation is forbidden but active solicitation in the form of "pink flyers" is not; where parents doll their girls up as sex objects from the tenderest age in hopes of seeing them become supermodels; where there's no need to marry when you can live with multiple partners; where a woman can force a man she cuckolded to support her bastard child even though we as a society supposedly favor "choice"...

    It'll be the last straw when, in such a moral and rational society, a human being with a sexual or affective need can satisfy it through the services of a freely-consenting adult, in exchange for an agreed-upon sum of money.
     
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  67. Barnard says:
    @eah

    It appears Nehlen has gone off the rails. We aren’t going to get a Dave Brat like miracle win from him.

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    I have sympathy for him -- with his raw language he often says what many feel; he often says what I feel -- I think the rawness of his language reflects the depth of his conviction that things happening now are wrong -- doing the same helped Trump (probably about as much as being opposed by HRC) -- but essentially you are right -- however following him I must say that on balance he uses Twitter effectively -- but he should have ignored the cretin Podhoretz on this occasion.
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  68. It is ultimately all about politics. If the Republicans can remove one or two Democratic senators and McCain dies soon, it much it that much easier to pass tax and health care insurance bills.

    Franken holds a key marginal Senate seat. He has not been convicted of rape. Moore supposedly had a a taste for younger women decades ago and he seems to be a bit of an black sheep generally who once took a gap year in the Australian outback where there are a lot of sheep. Due to lifespan issues, no sheep have spoken out, and the lambs have remained silent.

    But shouldn’t politics be about what the candidates stand for, how they will vote in the future, how they will represent their constituencies and states, not about what gave them erections and orgasms thirty years ago? Human beings are imperfect and we already know that many politicians and priests and judges in their private lives do things that are the absolute opposite of what they stand for in their professional lives.

    The definition of being professional practically means adopting a persona in the workplace that represents an accepted and unbiased ideal. This is why doctors rarely curse at their patients when they do something stupid, even prison doctors, and lawyers are able to defend obvious rapists and murderers at trial without being charged as accessories after the fact.

    Franken in the breast grabbing skit obviously thought that whatever was happening was funny at the time, otherwise he would not have done it in the presence of a photographer. Moore has not advocated having sex with underage maidens. Let us give it a rest! Unfortunately our fake news industry does not make that possible.

    If we continue like this with the sexual allegations against all the candidates at every election, we might as well given up altogether on elections and just let the two parties take turns at misruling, four years apiece.

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  69. Perplexed says:

    Franken allegedly at least twice forced or tried to force his tongue into women’s mouths. Wet assault is worse than dry. This is like spitting into their mouths.

    Conyers allegedly told women to service him or procure women who would. Be my whore or be my pimp.

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  70. @Bubba
    True, Franken is a straight-arrow choir boy compared to the late Saint Teddy Kennedy of the Democratic Party. Saint Teddy was the ne plus ultra of male sexual harassers, far more than even a psychopath like Bill Clinton. I mean it takes more than chutzpah to murder a woman, get away with it, and then single-handedly lead the charge accusing a bookish Clarence Thomas as a vile harasser of women. The Democrats can't absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They'll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.

    This public attention to the late Senator Kennedy is part of a Right-Wing attempt to demonize persons of Irish extraction from Massachusetts whose father was a financier of the liquor and entertainment industries.

    The Oldsmobile automobile in question was not his, rather, he just found it with the keys in the ignition. The Senator just found himself with his hands around the steering wheel when it “just took off”, bouncing off the road surface of that bridge just a few feet in front of him, and then sailing through the air for 218 feet before trapping that poor unfortunate young woman.

    Not knowing what had just happened, he simply smoke a cigarette, pushed the car into the water and then walked away.

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  71. @Bubba
    True, Franken is a straight-arrow choir boy compared to the late Saint Teddy Kennedy of the Democratic Party. Saint Teddy was the ne plus ultra of male sexual harassers, far more than even a psychopath like Bill Clinton. I mean it takes more than chutzpah to murder a woman, get away with it, and then single-handedly lead the charge accusing a bookish Clarence Thomas as a vile harasser of women. The Democrats can't absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They'll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.

    This public attention to the late Senator Kennedy is part of a Right-Wing attempt to demonize persons of Irish extraction from Massachusetts whose father was a financier of the liquor and entertainment industries.

    The Oldsmobile automobile in question was not his, rather, he just found it with the keys in the ignition. The Senator just found himself with his hands around the steering wheel when it “just took off”, bouncing off the road surface of that bridge just a few feet in front of him, and then sailing through the air for 218 feet before trapping that poor unfortunate young woman.

    Not knowing what had just happened, he simply smoke a cigarette, pushed the car into the water and then walked away.

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  72. @Bubba
    Then how about Bill Clinton? I highly doubt it. This whole wild hysteria will move on from the male harassers to focusing on their female enablers. The left will continue to eat their own.

    People have started to turn on Bill. What saves him from complete repudiation is mainly 1) his association with Hillary and 2) his having been out of actual office for sixteen years. Say what you will about millennial feminists, they seem to be more consistent than the previous generations. (The instant collapse of The Birth of a Nation from Oscar favorite to forgotten also-ran is maybe the strongest demonstration of this.)

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    The instant collapse of The Birth of a Nation ...
     
    I dunno about collapse. BoaN cost $8.5M and did $16.8M at the box office. But my local blue state library has 6 copies and 5 people on the wait list. You can watch or buy it on Amazon for $10 - $19 depending on the format. I'll bet you every school district in the country has a few copies and they are played in "American History" classes everyday.
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  73. @Brabantian
    Quotable from ZeroHedge political artist William Banzai -

    Nooooo ONe EXPeCTS THe SNoW FLaKe INQuiSiTioN!
    --
    Oh noooo! Not Hillary 'Me, too!!!'
    https://thehostages.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/cropped-h5rqvo2grhj3t3s0bpqj7_3fy-t1e15mwg2lin_ebbm.jpg

    Oh yeah, President Obama speechwriter and Charlie Rose-show health-care humorist Jon Favreau actually did what you depict, that is, grope an image of Hillary Clinton:

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=PK8l1clj&id=E2D56DED7D16C64E04A243EA02FF4ED59C592CD0&thid=OIP.PK8l1cljXsBf-Msj_1A6YwEsDa&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2flatimesblogs.latimes.com%2fwashington%2fimages%2f2008%2f12%2f06%2ffavreaujonwashpost44.jpg&exph=357&expw=490&q=obama+staffers+groping+hillary+cutout&simid=608018863947908174&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

    The Favreau picture is only “funny” in the context of “campus frat culture.”

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  74. sabril says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    The real question that should be asked is why there are so many otherwise very successful middle-aged men who ought to know better making fools of themselves with clumsy passes at the help. Can't we find some better way of helping them get their sexual desires met in a socially acceptable way?

    Perhaps Congress needs to charter a jet to make quarterly fact-finding trips to Thailand to investigate the state of the sex tourism industry. And there ought to be an enquiry into the effects of Viagra on the libidos of old fools. Was it not a politician, Bob Dole, who started all this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBdgpjnKInA

    The advertisement is interesting, but why does his wife not appear with him to testify to the efficacy of the little blue pill? When will they come for Bob Dole. Time is running out fast.


    And was Jerusalem builded here,
    Among these dark Satanic Mills?
     
    [William Blake: Tyger Publishing Inc., 1808]

    And what happened to that discussion thread? There are dark forces at work.


    Bring me my Chariot of fire!
     

    The real question that should be asked is why there are so many otherwise very successful middle-aged men who ought to know better making fools of themselves with clumsy passes at the help

    I would guess that a lot of these passes succeed. What woman is going to come forward and something like “when I was 25 I had a fling with my 50 year old boss; we both enjoyed it; he later gave me a recommendation for a really good job; and I still have fond memories of our time together.”

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  75. Stick says:

    Then we will get an Angry Black Man’s party run by Fragile White Women. As if we haven’t had that already with Obama.

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  76. @Stephen Paul Foster
    Yes, no one could surpass the Kennedies for using and destroying women. The entire clan, multi-generational, starting with Joe Sr. -- drunks, scumbags, lechers, rapists, slayers of mistresses, etc. JFK Jr. was told he didn't have the piloting skills to fly his new plane in the dark and bad weather, but, hey, what did they know? So he brought along his wife and her sister. Why squander your own life when you can wipe out a couple of chicks on the way?

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/10/from-ted-kennedy-to-harvey-weinstein-or.html

    Recent investigations are showing that the fugitive Haven Monahan might be William Kennedy Smith’s long lost cousin and another nephew of Teddy and Jack.

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  77. @slumber_j
    I dunno, there is the super-creepy story about the girl in the White House swimming pool. But that probably doesn't narrow it down much.

    Depending on the situation one can be either harasser or seducer, and JFK seems to have been both at various times. Unlike Teddy.

    Anyway, I think Steve is right about Al Franken. In my view his biggest crime over the years is having been chronically unfunny. Maybe if he'd found a bag of sex in a car to put him over the top, he could have relaxed and told better jokes.

    Depending on the situation one can be either harasser or seducer, and JFK seems to have been both at various times. Unlike Teddy.

    Sexual harassment seems an awful lot like an unsuccessful attempt at seduction. Faint heart never won fair lady. I obviously exclude the exhibitionist masturbation and the like of Weinstein and Rattner.

    I think Teddy was quite successful with the ladies as well as a seducer. He just seemed to be the furthest down the line as far as indulgence of his appetites and that’s going to lead to some unfortunate situations.

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    Sexual harassment seems an awful lot like an unsuccessful attempt at seduction.
     
    I'd say they are, in most cases, exactly the same thing. That's at the core of what is going on. The people pushing this agenda would like to make attempted seduction of females in the workplace a crime. "You are under arrest for attempted seduction!" Maybe because no one ever tries to seduce them. The only thing worse than having your boss try to seduce you is having your boss NOT try to seduce you.

    The problem with this strategy is that, as Steve has mentioned many times, unwelcome advances can only be distinguished from welcome advances retrospectively and unless men made advances there would be even more female cat ladies than there already are and the human species would die out. For many career ladies and salarymen, they have no social life outside of work so unless they meet people in the workplace they won't meet anyone at all. Now already married much older bosses are not really ideal mate material but they are maybe better than nothing for many females. Or at least, given modern morals, this should be their choice and not determined in advance on their behalf by menopausal lesbian cat ladies who want to strike fear into the hearts of men.

    , @Forbes
    Well, a successful seduction that ends poorly is how we get the regret sex that is turned into an accusation of rape. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. (The seduction was for sex, the woman yearned for love.)

    An unsuccessful seduction is seen as sexual harassment by women who deem the man unsuitable--for any and all reasons. And the contradictions in the "reasoning" will be legion--if only because it's all feelz.
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  78. Jack D says:
    @RichardTaylor
    I wonder if a catalyst for this explosion in the outing of sexual predators isn't a desire by the Left to purge themselves of so many White (and/or Jewish) men in their leadership?

    Not a conscious conspiracy, just an almost unconscious understanding that, for the most part, this opens up spots for women and POC?

    (By the way, soon enough, they will turn on White women).

    In the case of Hockenberry (the crippled NY radio guy) all of his accusers are of the black female landwhale variety. In the hierarchy of diversity pokemon points, black female outweighs white male crip. Charlie Rose is going to be replaced by Christine Amanpour. I think the general result here is that the guys who are being pushed out are not going to be replaced by other old white guys. Rather their replacements will all be younger, browner and more female and preferably all three.

    The logic of the Coalition of the Fringes dictates it. In the beginning, the NAACP was also run by Jewish men but eventually the blacks took over. What are the chances that Schumer’s replacement will be another Jewish male? It’s really hard to see a future for straight white guys in the Democrat Party. No matter how much they proclaim themselves to be “allies” they will always be suspect (unless they go tranny).

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    Jack D:

    The black female landwhale who was sacked or otherwise departed from the clutches of Hockenberry landed in the safe spaces of the Ford Foundation. Who ever would have thought!
    , @bored identity
    Things are geting too complicated...or too simple, for that matter.

    Pretty much the choice is between smart & rotten and dumb & rotten.

    So, Keith X. Ellison maybe can't pass proverbial Beer Test, but it's the Current Decade and Minnesotean Islamutant is here to take over Franken's Schlitz, and bored identity's gusto:


    https://youtu.be/Ql8fqPvOeqg
    , @bored identity
    Things are geting too complicated...or too simple, for that matter.

    Pretty much the choice is between smart & rotten and dumb & rotten.

    So, Keith X. Ellison maybe can't pass proverbial Beer Test, but it's the Current Decade and Minnesotean Islamutant is here to take over Franken's Schlitz, and bored identity's gusto:


    https://youtu.be/Ql8fqPvOeqg
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  79. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But, after decades in the public eye, how much evidence is there that he’s a major sexual harasser?
     
    The evidence keeps piling up.

    https://i.imgur.com/STAbbOC.png

    Well done! And, how long will it be before we find out how many young men Barney Frank harassed? He was one creepy-ass homo.

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    Well done! And, how long will it be before we find out how many young men Barney Frank harassed? He was one creepy-ass homo.

     

    I accepted his explanation of being unaware of a prostitution ring in his basement because it reinforced the observation that he was clueless all around.

    However, the name Barney itself is racist:

    Additionally, none of the names used (Barney, Ben, Janice, and Jen) reflect the true diversity of names among the populace today or then. All are very “white,” too.
     
    https://andrewpegoda.com/2013/11/22/the-rhetoric-of-two-christmas-songs-hidden-power-of-words-series-3/
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  80. Dahlia says:
    @Thursday
    While there have been a couple conservatives caught up in these accusations, most have been liberals. Given that one of the major predictors of political liberalism is low Big 5 Conscientiousness (i.e. lack of self control), what we are seeing is exactly what personality research would predict.

    In particular, I am shocked, shocked to learn that stand-up comedians often lack self-control.

    Given that one of the major predictors of political liberalism is low Big 5 Conscientiousness (i.e. lack of self control), what we are seeing is exactly what personality research would predict.

    Isn’t that the truth, Thursday!

    You’re great on this, what do you know about loyalty and fellow-feeling? One of the saddest things to witness is the cold ruthlessness with which some of these “beloved” men have been dumped.

    Garrison Keillor’s were utterly mundane, yet this revered man on the Left had his decades-old archive disappeared and his show renamed. No scintilla of due process or giving him a fair hearing. Completely reviled and unpersoned in two seconds.

    I understand that one of Al Franken’s “accusers” is accusing him of touching her waist. He’s obnoxious and a badly behaving jerk, but like so many others, he’s having the mundane rolled in with…the slightly less mundane.

    Roy Moore’s “accusers” are a women who went on consensual dates when teens or early twenties, above the age of consent. Rolled in and sexing these up is a Sabrina Erdely-tier accusation (and another that quickly fell apart: Allred-yearbook).

    Precious few people have taken the time to parse these one-by-one. Or acknowledge how utterly trivial most of them are. You can’t hear the facts above all the SCREECHING.

    I can’t believe Keillor, or any of these men, would have made being progressive a core part of their identity if lack of loyalty and fellow feeling was intrinsic. Instead, this appears to be an utterly mindless hysteria.

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    The yearbook accuser admitted that she lied about the DA signature, but wait, believe her on the slander.

    About the "14-year old", her boyfriend of the same time says she's lying about it, her stepson says she's lying.

    The rest of them were of age, and the SJW's are making yet another normal attraction by guys to younger girls as if it were sin. Such self-righteous holier-than-thou hypocrites. They really just hate the Christianity of it all. They hate Christ.
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  81. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Depending on the situation one can be either harasser or seducer, and JFK seems to have been both at various times. Unlike Teddy.
     
    Sexual harassment seems an awful lot like an unsuccessful attempt at seduction. Faint heart never won fair lady. I obviously exclude the exhibitionist masturbation and the like of Weinstein and Rattner.

    I think Teddy was quite successful with the ladies as well as a seducer. He just seemed to be the furthest down the line as far as indulgence of his appetites and that's going to lead to some unfortunate situations.

    Sexual harassment seems an awful lot like an unsuccessful attempt at seduction.

    I’d say they are, in most cases, exactly the same thing. That’s at the core of what is going on. The people pushing this agenda would like to make attempted seduction of females in the workplace a crime. “You are under arrest for attempted seduction!” Maybe because no one ever tries to seduce them. The only thing worse than having your boss try to seduce you is having your boss NOT try to seduce you.

    The problem with this strategy is that, as Steve has mentioned many times, unwelcome advances can only be distinguished from welcome advances retrospectively and unless men made advances there would be even more female cat ladies than there already are and the human species would die out. For many career ladies and salarymen, they have no social life outside of work so unless they meet people in the workplace they won’t meet anyone at all. Now already married much older bosses are not really ideal mate material but they are maybe better than nothing for many females. Or at least, given modern morals, this should be their choice and not determined in advance on their behalf by menopausal lesbian cat ladies who want to strike fear into the hearts of men.

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    Perhaps women shouldn’t allow their choices to be made by menopausal lesbian cat ladies who want to strike fear into the hearts of men, but that’s just what almost all white women chose about fifty years ago. And they show little sign that they regret that choice.
    , @James Kabala
    The real problem is that the Sexual Revolution (cheered on by both men and women) created a world in which asking someone for a date is considered a sexual proposition, when in fact it should be just the first step of a multi-step process (with the final step ideally taking place only after marriage).

    But actually very few of these cases involve merely asking for a date. If anything, the borderline or questionable cases are kind of the opposite - no attempt at romance, just a habit of sexually oriented conversation. Dustin Hoffman, for example, does not seem to have had serious romantic or sexual designs on the intern he bothered, but for some reason he got his jollies from explicit discussion of her body parts.

    , @sabril

    For many career ladies and salarymen, they have no social life outside of work so unless they meet people in the workplace they won’t meet anyone at all.
     
    Even outside of work, it's being proclaimed that men should not hit on girls at the gym; on public transit; at coffee shops; etc. In theory, one could get around this with internet dating but in practice (from what I understand) internet dating is not so great for men who are not in the top 20% or so in terms of looks.
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  82. Dan Hayes says:
    @Jack D
    In the case of Hockenberry (the crippled NY radio guy) all of his accusers are of the black female landwhale variety. In the hierarchy of diversity pokemon points, black female outweighs white male crip. Charlie Rose is going to be replaced by Christine Amanpour. I think the general result here is that the guys who are being pushed out are not going to be replaced by other old white guys. Rather their replacements will all be younger, browner and more female and preferably all three.

    The logic of the Coalition of the Fringes dictates it. In the beginning, the NAACP was also run by Jewish men but eventually the blacks took over. What are the chances that Schumer's replacement will be another Jewish male? It's really hard to see a future for straight white guys in the Democrat Party. No matter how much they proclaim themselves to be "allies" they will always be suspect (unless they go tranny).

    Jack D:

    The black female landwhale who was sacked or otherwise departed from the clutches of Hockenberry landed in the safe spaces of the Ford Foundation. Who ever would have thought!

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  83. @Anonymous

    The Democrats can’t absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They’ll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.
     
    Jack didn't harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74oWon5VTo

    Marilyn Monroe was a very broken women. Most of her male costars said she could become very upset when they did not reciprocate her sexual advances and needs for affection.

    Robert Mitchum knew her when she was a teenager married to her first husband and stayed clear of her advances and drank heavily when working with her. Richard Widmark also had to resist her advances and she became really difficult.

    Most famously Clark Gable near the end of his life would remove his false teeth and do a Gabby Hayes impression in order to snap Monroe out of her romantic longings for him.

    Lots of men used Monroe, but others got themselves involved with her in response to both her beauty and neediness.

    I think JFK just took advantage of her, if RFK was involved with her it was because he foolishly attempted to “white knight”.

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    I think JFK just took advantage of her, if RFK was involved with her it was because he foolishly attempted to “white knight”.
     
    More likely just sibling rivalry. Their own dad tried to poach girlfriends from them. That boy-scout act of Bobby's was just that...........an act. He was a weasel.
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  84. Rule 4:
    “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
    Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals

    Also

    I, for one, welcome the Democrats new, browner Overlords.

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    I, for one, welcome the Democrats new, browner Overlords.
     
    This is the one good aspect of what the leftys are up to. The browner and femaler they get, the less effective they'll be. I've been around them for 5 decades and they've never had a clue....
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  85. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    A bit of justice for a guy who stole his Senate seat on a recount after thousands of votes mysteriously were found.

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  86. Forbes says:
    @anon
    They got Conyers to resign by convincing him that he would be replaced by another Conyers. His son. He also has a politician nephew.

    Nothing is enough to convince black elected officials to resign. It predates Marion Berry.

    By the mid-1960s, Powell was increasingly being criticized for mismanaging his committee's budget, taking trips abroad at public expense, and missing meetings of his committee.[2] When under scrutiny by the press and other members of Congress for personal conduct—he had taken two young women at government expense with him on overseas travel—he responded:

    I wish to state very emphatically... that I will always do just what every other Congressman and committee chairman has done and is doing and will do."[23]

    Opponents led criticism in his District, where his refusal to pay a 1963 slander judgment made him subject to arrest; he also spent increasing amounts of time in Florida.[2]

    In January 1967, the House Democratic Caucus stripped Powell of his committee chairmanship. The full House refused to seat him until completion of an investigation by the Judiciary Committee. Powell urged his supporters to "keep the faith, baby," while the investigation was under way. On March 1, the House voted 307 to 116 to exclude him. Powell said, "On this day, the day of March in my opinion, is the end of the United States of America as the land of the free and the home of the brave."[31]

    Powell won the Special Election to fill the vacancy caused by his exclusion, but he did not take his seat, as he was filing a separate suit. He sued in Powell v. McCormack to retain his seat. In November 1968, Powell was re-elected. On January 3, 1969, he was seated as a member of the 91st Congress, but he was fined $25,000 and denied seniority.[32] In June 1969, in Powell v. McCormack, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the House had acted unconstitutionally when it excluded Powell, as he had been duly elected by his constituents.[33]

     

    And there’s a street in Harlem named after him: Seventh Avenue north of Central Park is Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. Boulevard.

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  87. @Thomas
    Seven accusations and not exactly denials on his part. I think he's mostly just a grabby oaf, to hear the stories coming out. They're not Weinstein-level predation.

    But... he opted to line up on the side he did, and to be, as pointed out, one of the more obnoxious and self-promoting thugs on that side. He's gotta live with his choices and the rules of the people he threw in with.

    But… he opted to line up on the side he did, and to be, as pointed out, one of the more obnoxious and self-promoting thugs on that side. He’s gotta live with his choices and the rules of the people he threw in with.

    Some people on the right argued that Martha Stewart was railroaded the same way, and had a point, but I felt the way you do.

    She contributed to those making (and often enforcing) the legal régime that nailed her. So spare me the tears.

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  88. Nature has given women so much power that the law has very wisely given them little.

    —Samuel Johnson

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  89. MBlanc46 says:

    Evidence, schmevidence. Facts are completely irrelevant in Leftist purges. J’accuse is all that’s required.

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  90. MBlanc46 says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/JBurtonXP/status/938495939198836736

    Moore indeed. And then, I suspect, DJT.

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  91. wren says:

    I think Franken can be accused of abusing and harassing the democratic process.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots/article/2504163

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  92. in 2010, I made the comment to a few…….a man comes home and finds 5 black guys gang raping his wife. He only says…”hey guys, can you take it a little easy”.

    The next day he loses his job, has marchers and reverends on his property, the media too, denouncing his racism. Followed by a federal agency to question him about possible civil rights violation.

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  93. I’d say they are, in most cases, exactly the same thing. That’s at the core of what is going on. The people pushing this agenda would like to make attempted seduction of females in the workplace a crime.

    Yes, but there is nearly always something furtive about these attemtps, for example the man is usually married and is not openly asking the woman to go on a date, but trying to get something on the side when away from home–basically trying to treat acquaintances like prostitutes.

    I am no celebrity, except in my own imagination, but I have had a long romantic career with more marriages and relationships, some long term and some quite casual, than I care to remember, and I am no Warren Beatty, but depending on where you meet a woman, you simply have to observe various steps to seduction, and not just lunge in and grab her crotch.

    For example, if meeting someone in the workplace, it has to be established if they would be interested in meeting you alone away from the workplace, even if it is only for lunch, and if that step is negotiated, then conversation can be steered to more personal topics, eye contact measured, and further baby flirtation steps taken without risking exposure.

    With a bit of practice the early steps can be negotiated very quickly, but it is foolish to skip steps. The first touch might be on the hand, and then on the arm to measure how receptive the target is to being manhandled.

    Clearly many of these guys have made unsolicited and unreciprocated approaches in a clumsy manner and have ignored the steps system that all mammal species use, regardless of how brief. In some cases alcohol might have been a factor.

    Gwyneth Paltrow once complained that English men were very shy about dating and would invite a woman to go on a date with his male friends, however I realized later that she must have been talking about when she first met her future husband Chris Martin of Coldplay in London–a nerd not known as a ladies man at all–and that he must have been very cautious about showing sexual intent towards the ex-gf of Brad Pitt and making a fool of himself.

    Reader, she married him.

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    I think are several things are going on here:

    1. These guys look like they would have not gotten a 2nd look from the girls before they were rich and famous, so they never had the chance to develop the mad dating skillz that you have. And now they were, in many cases, being PURSUED by females - a nerd's dream come true. Or at the very least the females were flattered and weren't objecting - as Trump said, "they let you".

    2. Now that they WERE rich and famous, they considered themselves to be busy important men without the time to play around with a long and slow seduction process. Busy and important men such as themselves need to get right down to business and don't have time to linger over long candlelit lunches, etc. especially when they are subject to being caught by paparazzi. Trump said that this was his strategy. Lauer didn't even try for a hotel room but did the deed right in his office with his office staff, not just to save time and hotel bills but because he couldn't risk being seen in public with other women.

    3. We are only hearing now about the complainers. Especially in Weinstein's case, he was a genuine Jack Kennedy level sex maniac who tried for a new girl every night. I don't know what his success % was but I think it was very high, so in his mind the direct approach was effective much more often than not. If the girl threatened to squeal afterward, he would just threaten to ruin her life. The other guys did not rise to his sociopathic level but still the women had (and the men knew that they had) a big incentive to keep their mouths shut and not ruin their own careers. So in the men's minds, the risk/reward ratio was favorable.
    , @Hosswire
    Yes, there is a process to seducing women in a way that produces failure or success without drama or resentment.
    However, this process has two problems for big shots:
    1) The woman can still reject him. Which stings. Imagine scheming & clawing your way up the greasy showbiz or political pole, just to get rejected by some clueless 19 year old, who goes on to bone some dimwit meathead. Ouch.
    2) It takes time. Meetings. Phone calls. Texts. Conversations. What a drag.
    These guys want a guaranteed Yes & want it instantly.
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  94. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jack D

    Sexual harassment seems an awful lot like an unsuccessful attempt at seduction.
     
    I'd say they are, in most cases, exactly the same thing. That's at the core of what is going on. The people pushing this agenda would like to make attempted seduction of females in the workplace a crime. "You are under arrest for attempted seduction!" Maybe because no one ever tries to seduce them. The only thing worse than having your boss try to seduce you is having your boss NOT try to seduce you.

    The problem with this strategy is that, as Steve has mentioned many times, unwelcome advances can only be distinguished from welcome advances retrospectively and unless men made advances there would be even more female cat ladies than there already are and the human species would die out. For many career ladies and salarymen, they have no social life outside of work so unless they meet people in the workplace they won't meet anyone at all. Now already married much older bosses are not really ideal mate material but they are maybe better than nothing for many females. Or at least, given modern morals, this should be their choice and not determined in advance on their behalf by menopausal lesbian cat ladies who want to strike fear into the hearts of men.

    Perhaps women shouldn’t allow their choices to be made by menopausal lesbian cat ladies who want to strike fear into the hearts of men, but that’s just what almost all white women chose about fifty years ago. And they show little sign that they regret that choice.

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  95. TWS says:

    Yes. Other than the pictures, reports of witnesses, and his own confessions and statements there’s no proof but when have those ever been the standard for anything?

    Note your question was harasser not rapist or molester. Did he harass women? Clearly, over the course of years and in crass boorish and frankly illegal ways.

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  96. Jack D says:
    @joeyjoejoe
    Regarding Roy Moore: for some reason, nobody wants to clearly articulate the situation with Roy Moore. Defenders don't state their real feelings, and opponents mischaracterize the defenders' views to make them more creepy ('Roy Moore's defenders accept pedophiles').

    The bottom line is: defenders of Roy Moore think he probably dated or attempted to date teenagers (17+) as a young 30's lawyer. They think it might be odd or pitiful, but not a firing offense, and are willing to give him a pass given 1) the times (and place-rural Alabama) were probably different, and pursuing older teenagers isn't illegal or immoral-its just represents perhaps a bit of social oddity (for instance, in high school one of my female classmates surreptitiously dated, and ultimately married, a track coach. Odd, for both, but not illegal or immoral-and in fact, given that they ultimately married, entirely fine), and 2) they don't believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one's willing to just come out and say this.

    But then I noticed this article while reading a link from Drudge (I think regarding Trump's movement of the embassy to Jerusalem):


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5152611/Sofia-Richie-beach-day-boyfriend-Scott-Disick.html

    So not only is Moore's activity not immoral or illegal: it is fully acceptable (and even celebrated) if you are in the right social group (actor or rock star, I guess. I've never heard of either person in the article, above). The 30's guy in the article dating the 19 year old is, at the moment, one of the luckiest guys in the world!

    joe

    The core of the accusations against Moore involve the 14 year old. A thirty-something pursuing 16 year olds in a state where the age of consent is 16 is not illegal but perhaps still creepy in a way that dating a 19 year old is not. If Moore had had a 19 year old girlfriend like Disick then no one would have or could have said a word about it. But 14 year olds are off limits, so if you believe the story about the 14 year old then what Moore did was actually criminal. Not just unethical or creepy or harassment, but an actual crime.

    Of course all of this is partisan who-whomism, going both ways. If Moore was the leftist candidate would you be defending him in this way?

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  97. I thought that the Franken and Davis show was funny. All the rest of his stuff after that wasn’t.

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  98. Forbes says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Depending on the situation one can be either harasser or seducer, and JFK seems to have been both at various times. Unlike Teddy.
     
    Sexual harassment seems an awful lot like an unsuccessful attempt at seduction. Faint heart never won fair lady. I obviously exclude the exhibitionist masturbation and the like of Weinstein and Rattner.

    I think Teddy was quite successful with the ladies as well as a seducer. He just seemed to be the furthest down the line as far as indulgence of his appetites and that's going to lead to some unfortunate situations.

    Well, a successful seduction that ends poorly is how we get the regret sex that is turned into an accusation of rape. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. (The seduction was for sex, the woman yearned for love.)

    An unsuccessful seduction is seen as sexual harassment by women who deem the man unsuitable–for any and all reasons. And the contradictions in the “reasoning” will be legion–if only because it’s all feelz.

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  99. @JimB
    Franken needs to resign to balance the books. If Conyers— the founder of the CBC — goes, then so must the white senator, otherwise it’s yet more proof of white privilege and institutional racism, regardless of any evidence.

    JimB, In political power congressmen don’t equal senators. Franken barely won his election. Don’t think the dems want to risk losing when they run Ellison for a full term.

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    Your math is impeccable, but the CBC reckons things a bit differently.
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  100. The context of the photo grop makes Franken’s attempt to tar Trump by association especially rich.

    As the photo story makes clear (https://verifiedpolitics.com/rest-photos-videos-franken-tweedens-uso-tour-just-emerged/), Franken’s big problem with Trump is the Access Hollywood tape is that it didn’t work for him. Franken was rich and successful – prominent TV stint, a starring role in a movie, a bestselling book – enough to be in demand for a USO tour. Surely that entitled him to greater expectations of the fairer sex than your average short, dumpy middle-aged ugly guy with a weird voice.

    And Leeann Tweeden was available to everybody else – Playboy model, flirty eye candy for the soldiers. Part of her schtick was to kiss soldiers for goodness sakes! So why shouldn’t famous Al get a little taste. Indeed, the skit was written so that Al gets the first kiss with the pretty girl and then she insists to redo the sketch with one of the soldiers pulled from the crowd.

    Al getting the cold shoulder from Tweeden must have been especially enraging – all the fame, all the success, all the brownie points for the USO tour couldn’t beat short and ugly. She was still repulsed by him.

    He then gets his revenge with the stupid picture – look, big bro, I made it to second base with the Playboy model!

    So while Franken is triggering the pretty girl’s gag reflex over first base, Trump is bragging about how they are waiving him straight in to third.

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    Falcon says..."Trump is bragging about how they are waiving him straight in to third."

    I'll be laughing a lot on that line. Well done.

    On a side note, I am watching an old Cheers now and Shelly Long is exposed as finally being shallow and only wanting a great looking guy like Sam, not a nice, intelligent worldly guy who is homely.
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  101. @Stephen Paul Foster
    Yes, no one could surpass the Kennedies for using and destroying women. The entire clan, multi-generational, starting with Joe Sr. -- drunks, scumbags, lechers, rapists, slayers of mistresses, etc. JFK Jr. was told he didn't have the piloting skills to fly his new plane in the dark and bad weather, but, hey, what did they know? So he brought along his wife and her sister. Why squander your own life when you can wipe out a couple of chicks on the way?

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/10/from-ted-kennedy-to-harvey-weinstein-or.html

    Stephen, I get confused with the Kennedys and their cousins, but didn’t one have an affair with his children’s 14 year old babysitter.

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    BJ, yes, indeed. It was non-other than Bobby's son.

    Here it is: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/rfk-son-baby-sitter-accused-5-year-affair-teen-hires-lawyer-article-1.751616
    , @Brutusale
    An outhouse Kennedy, but just as obnoxious as the real thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Martha_Moxley
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  102. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    What did Al Franken mostly in was the photo of him "attacking" the sleeping female entertainer returning from a troop tour.

    The purported "attack" was pure juvenile nonsense. It was about as threatening as a lollipop!

    I think Garrison Keiller said it best -He PRETENDED to grope a woman for a photo. If you look at the shadows in the picture, it is clear there is about an inch between his hands and her bullet proof vest. But everyone has to say he assaulted her, oh come on. Al Franken is a douche bag, but why do we need to lie? Also the lady who said he grabbed her but cheek while she had a photo taken with him at the state fair… if you look at the photo, you are very impressed that she has such sang froid to smile placidly while getting goosed. I’m guessing it was more like his hand “accidently” slid a little far down, creating some plausible deniability level moderate ass contact…which of course worked because she chose not to take public notice til now.

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  103. @Jack D
    In the case of Hockenberry (the crippled NY radio guy) all of his accusers are of the black female landwhale variety. In the hierarchy of diversity pokemon points, black female outweighs white male crip. Charlie Rose is going to be replaced by Christine Amanpour. I think the general result here is that the guys who are being pushed out are not going to be replaced by other old white guys. Rather their replacements will all be younger, browner and more female and preferably all three.

    The logic of the Coalition of the Fringes dictates it. In the beginning, the NAACP was also run by Jewish men but eventually the blacks took over. What are the chances that Schumer's replacement will be another Jewish male? It's really hard to see a future for straight white guys in the Democrat Party. No matter how much they proclaim themselves to be "allies" they will always be suspect (unless they go tranny).

    Things are geting too complicated…or too simple, for that matter.

    Pretty much the choice is between smart & rotten and dumb & rotten.

    So, Keith X. Ellison maybe can’t pass proverbial Beer Test, but it’s the Current Decade and Minnesotean Islamutant is here to take over Franken’s Schlitz, and bored identity’s gusto:

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  104. Halvorson says:

    Al Franken went on Howard Stern in the 90′s where he was forced to discuss rumors that he had grabbed Kathie Lee Gifford’s ass right before he guest hosted her show. Baba Booey himself testified that Franken told him before the show that he had done it. He’s a very self-confident groper.

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  105. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’d say they are, in most cases, exactly the same thing. That’s at the core of what is going on. The people pushing this agenda would like to make attempted seduction of females in the workplace a crime.
     
    Yes, but there is nearly always something furtive about these attemtps, for example the man is usually married and is not openly asking the woman to go on a date, but trying to get something on the side when away from home--basically trying to treat acquaintances like prostitutes.

    I am no celebrity, except in my own imagination, but I have had a long romantic career with more marriages and relationships, some long term and some quite casual, than I care to remember, and I am no Warren Beatty, but depending on where you meet a woman, you simply have to observe various steps to seduction, and not just lunge in and grab her crotch.

    For example, if meeting someone in the workplace, it has to be established if they would be interested in meeting you alone away from the workplace, even if it is only for lunch, and if that step is negotiated, then conversation can be steered to more personal topics, eye contact measured, and further baby flirtation steps taken without risking exposure.

    With a bit of practice the early steps can be negotiated very quickly, but it is foolish to skip steps. The first touch might be on the hand, and then on the arm to measure how receptive the target is to being manhandled.

    Clearly many of these guys have made unsolicited and unreciprocated approaches in a clumsy manner and have ignored the steps system that all mammal species use, regardless of how brief. In some cases alcohol might have been a factor.

    Gwyneth Paltrow once complained that English men were very shy about dating and would invite a woman to go on a date with his male friends, however I realized later that she must have been talking about when she first met her future husband Chris Martin of Coldplay in London--a nerd not known as a ladies man at all--and that he must have been very cautious about showing sexual intent towards the ex-gf of Brad Pitt and making a fool of himself.

    Reader, she married him.

    I think are several things are going on here:

    1. These guys look like they would have not gotten a 2nd look from the girls before they were rich and famous, so they never had the chance to develop the mad dating skillz that you have. And now they were, in many cases, being PURSUED by females – a nerd’s dream come true. Or at the very least the females were flattered and weren’t objecting – as Trump said, “they let you”.

    2. Now that they WERE rich and famous, they considered themselves to be busy important men without the time to play around with a long and slow seduction process. Busy and important men such as themselves need to get right down to business and don’t have time to linger over long candlelit lunches, etc. especially when they are subject to being caught by paparazzi. Trump said that this was his strategy. Lauer didn’t even try for a hotel room but did the deed right in his office with his office staff, not just to save time and hotel bills but because he couldn’t risk being seen in public with other women.

    3. We are only hearing now about the complainers. Especially in Weinstein’s case, he was a genuine Jack Kennedy level sex maniac who tried for a new girl every night. I don’t know what his success % was but I think it was very high, so in his mind the direct approach was effective much more often than not. If the girl threatened to squeal afterward, he would just threaten to ruin her life. The other guys did not rise to his sociopathic level but still the women had (and the men knew that they had) a big incentive to keep their mouths shut and not ruin their own careers. So in the men’s minds, the risk/reward ratio was favorable.

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    Now, if Weinstein had only followed this simple bit of advice, we wouldn't be in this mess: https://i.imgur.com/J9xLNvc.png

    (apologies for repost, but it seems appropriate)
    , @sabril

    they never had the chance to develop the mad dating skillz that you have.
     
    Part of the problem is that when you are a powerful man, it becomes more difficult to gauge girls' sexual interest. For ordinary guys, if the girl is simply willing to spend time one-on-one with you and asks you questions about your life, it's a pretty good indication that she is sexually interested. If you are a powerful man, it could just mean that she wants a job.

    The other problem is that girls don't like to admit to themselves or others that they are turned on by power. So even if they are willing -- or even eager -- to have a sexual relationship, they will always be tempted to retcon things to turn it into harassment, assault, or even rape.
    , @Mr. Anon
    That sounds like a pretty sound assessment of a lot of what's going on here.

    I don’t know what his success % was but I think it was very high, so in his mind the direct approach was effective much more often than not.
     
    Pussyball.
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  106. @Jack D
    In the case of Hockenberry (the crippled NY radio guy) all of his accusers are of the black female landwhale variety. In the hierarchy of diversity pokemon points, black female outweighs white male crip. Charlie Rose is going to be replaced by Christine Amanpour. I think the general result here is that the guys who are being pushed out are not going to be replaced by other old white guys. Rather their replacements will all be younger, browner and more female and preferably all three.

    The logic of the Coalition of the Fringes dictates it. In the beginning, the NAACP was also run by Jewish men but eventually the blacks took over. What are the chances that Schumer's replacement will be another Jewish male? It's really hard to see a future for straight white guys in the Democrat Party. No matter how much they proclaim themselves to be "allies" they will always be suspect (unless they go tranny).

    Things are geting too complicated…or too simple, for that matter.

    Pretty much the choice is between smart & rotten and dumb & rotten.

    So, Keith X. Ellison maybe can’t pass proverbial Beer Test, but it’s the Current Decade and Minnesotean Islamutant is here to take over Franken’s Schlitz, and bored identity’s gusto:

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  107. @Jack D

    Sexual harassment seems an awful lot like an unsuccessful attempt at seduction.
     
    I'd say they are, in most cases, exactly the same thing. That's at the core of what is going on. The people pushing this agenda would like to make attempted seduction of females in the workplace a crime. "You are under arrest for attempted seduction!" Maybe because no one ever tries to seduce them. The only thing worse than having your boss try to seduce you is having your boss NOT try to seduce you.

    The problem with this strategy is that, as Steve has mentioned many times, unwelcome advances can only be distinguished from welcome advances retrospectively and unless men made advances there would be even more female cat ladies than there already are and the human species would die out. For many career ladies and salarymen, they have no social life outside of work so unless they meet people in the workplace they won't meet anyone at all. Now already married much older bosses are not really ideal mate material but they are maybe better than nothing for many females. Or at least, given modern morals, this should be their choice and not determined in advance on their behalf by menopausal lesbian cat ladies who want to strike fear into the hearts of men.

    The real problem is that the Sexual Revolution (cheered on by both men and women) created a world in which asking someone for a date is considered a sexual proposition, when in fact it should be just the first step of a multi-step process (with the final step ideally taking place only after marriage).

    But actually very few of these cases involve merely asking for a date. If anything, the borderline or questionable cases are kind of the opposite – no attempt at romance, just a habit of sexually oriented conversation. Dustin Hoffman, for example, does not seem to have had serious romantic or sexual designs on the intern he bothered, but for some reason he got his jollies from explicit discussion of her body parts.

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    I think in Hoffman's case (and in Franken's too, in relation to the now famous Tweeden photo - BTW without that photo I think he could have withstood the criticism) it was just a warped sense of humor and not sexual at all. They have gotten dragged into the current witch roundup along with all the others but raping women as Weinstein is alleged to have done is on a whole different level than making a crude joke.
    , @sabril

    The real problem is that the Sexual Revolution (cheered on by both men and women) created a world in which asking someone for a date is considered a sexual proposition,
     
    Actually I think the problem is kind of the opposite. If you are a powerful man, young women start inviting you to spend time with them one-on-one or at least they are very receptive to meeting with you one-on-one. When one of these meetings takes place, is it a "date."? It's not really clear.

    To put it another way, a girl is allowed ask a man to meet her for "advice" or whatever; meet at a traditional dating venue like a restaurant; dress in feminine, revealing clothing; and discuss personal things with him; while at the same time insisting that there was absolutely nothing sexual about her proposition or conduct.
    , @Forbes
    The Sexual Revolution dispensed with the conventions and traditions surrounding courtship, turning male-female relations into a veiled negotiation over sexual intimacy. The course of action one would pursue is littered with trial and error, made up as you go along.

    Now, a couple generations after the Revolution, there are no guidelines, customs, or protocols about acceptable behavior--it's what you can get away with, or can't, as the case may be. An important foundation of human relations has been stripped away. This is foreign and stunting, or liberating and empowering--depending on who you talk to.

    Complicating matters, the conduct in question appears quite disparate. Harvey Weinstein was using the casting couch--probably to great exaggeration, as others were aware. Charlie Rose never recognized he became an old codger, employing his approach not merely on younger women, but women aged as his granddaughter might be, as others were aware. Matt Lauer employed his positional power because he could, as others were aware. Kevin Spacey's groping is pretty common in gay circles. Al Franken has been a rude "funnyman" for 40 years, and seemingly got away with one free grope (grabbing an ass while posing for a photo was funny in high school) dozens (hundreds?) of times.

    Others employed some combination of "don't you know who I am," or "this is who I am."

    These behaviors are based on a power/dominance relationship--which was supposed to disappear as a result of the Sexual Revolution, the purpose of which was to empower (level the playing field for) women. What the Revolution accomplished was the tearing up of the rule book, the customs that had developed over generations (or longer) that men and women used to navigate the mine field of intimate relations.

    As typical of most progressive-left social reforms, the law of unintended consequences reared its ugly head. The lack of impulse control revealed itself. Having dispensed with the rules of the game, the players resorted to base instincts, rather than their highest aspirations.

    When "anything goes," anything will. And here we are.
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  108. sabril says:
    @Jack D

    Sexual harassment seems an awful lot like an unsuccessful attempt at seduction.
     
    I'd say they are, in most cases, exactly the same thing. That's at the core of what is going on. The people pushing this agenda would like to make attempted seduction of females in the workplace a crime. "You are under arrest for attempted seduction!" Maybe because no one ever tries to seduce them. The only thing worse than having your boss try to seduce you is having your boss NOT try to seduce you.

    The problem with this strategy is that, as Steve has mentioned many times, unwelcome advances can only be distinguished from welcome advances retrospectively and unless men made advances there would be even more female cat ladies than there already are and the human species would die out. For many career ladies and salarymen, they have no social life outside of work so unless they meet people in the workplace they won't meet anyone at all. Now already married much older bosses are not really ideal mate material but they are maybe better than nothing for many females. Or at least, given modern morals, this should be their choice and not determined in advance on their behalf by menopausal lesbian cat ladies who want to strike fear into the hearts of men.

    For many career ladies and salarymen, they have no social life outside of work so unless they meet people in the workplace they won’t meet anyone at all.

    Even outside of work, it’s being proclaimed that men should not hit on girls at the gym; on public transit; at coffee shops; etc. In theory, one could get around this with internet dating but in practice (from what I understand) internet dating is not so great for men who are not in the top 20% or so in terms of looks.

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  109. Anon 2 says:

    Al Franken’s resignation is reminiscent of the
    resignation of Bob Filner, mayor of San Diego, in
    2013, on multiple charges of sexual harassment,
    although the allegations against Filner were more
    severe. Bob Filner is Jewish.

    At least on the West Coast there seems to be an interesting
    trend which may augur what the future holds
    in this country: Jewish politicians are being replaced
    by Asian politicians. Two examples:

    - In the 33rd Congressional District (Santa Monica,
    West LA, etc) Ted Lieu replaced a long-term Congressman
    Henry Waxman;

    - In the Senate Kamala Harris replaced Barbara Boxer;

    which brings an interesting question: are Asian politicians
    (esp. East Asian) now perceived as more moral and less likely
    to be beset by scandals than Jewish politicians? Or is this
    part of the Great Replacement?

    In academia already Jewish professors are being replaced
    en masse by Asian professors, esp. in STEM disciplines
    but not only.

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    Not just on the West Coast - Anthony Weiner's Queens House seat, which Chuck Schumer previously held, is now occupied by a Chinese woman Grace Meng.

    And the Chinese are supplanting Jews in the entertainment biz - in fact, after these scandals, I'd expect Chinese power to fully replace Jewish power. Not surprising with the studios falling under Chinese ownership.
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  110. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    I think are several things are going on here:

    1. These guys look like they would have not gotten a 2nd look from the girls before they were rich and famous, so they never had the chance to develop the mad dating skillz that you have. And now they were, in many cases, being PURSUED by females - a nerd's dream come true. Or at the very least the females were flattered and weren't objecting - as Trump said, "they let you".

    2. Now that they WERE rich and famous, they considered themselves to be busy important men without the time to play around with a long and slow seduction process. Busy and important men such as themselves need to get right down to business and don't have time to linger over long candlelit lunches, etc. especially when they are subject to being caught by paparazzi. Trump said that this was his strategy. Lauer didn't even try for a hotel room but did the deed right in his office with his office staff, not just to save time and hotel bills but because he couldn't risk being seen in public with other women.

    3. We are only hearing now about the complainers. Especially in Weinstein's case, he was a genuine Jack Kennedy level sex maniac who tried for a new girl every night. I don't know what his success % was but I think it was very high, so in his mind the direct approach was effective much more often than not. If the girl threatened to squeal afterward, he would just threaten to ruin her life. The other guys did not rise to his sociopathic level but still the women had (and the men knew that they had) a big incentive to keep their mouths shut and not ruin their own careers. So in the men's minds, the risk/reward ratio was favorable.

    Now, if Weinstein had only followed this simple bit of advice, we wouldn’t be in this mess:

    (apologies for repost, but it seems appropriate)

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  111. @The Millennial Falcon
    The context of the photo grop makes Franken's attempt to tar Trump by association especially rich.

    As the photo story makes clear (https://verifiedpolitics.com/rest-photos-videos-franken-tweedens-uso-tour-just-emerged/), Franken's big problem with Trump is the Access Hollywood tape is that it didn't work for him. Franken was rich and successful - prominent TV stint, a starring role in a movie, a bestselling book - enough to be in demand for a USO tour. Surely that entitled him to greater expectations of the fairer sex than your average short, dumpy middle-aged ugly guy with a weird voice.

    And Leeann Tweeden was available to everybody else - Playboy model, flirty eye candy for the soldiers. Part of her schtick was to kiss soldiers for goodness sakes! So why shouldn't famous Al get a little taste. Indeed, the skit was written so that Al gets the first kiss with the pretty girl and then she insists to redo the sketch with one of the soldiers pulled from the crowd.

    Al getting the cold shoulder from Tweeden must have been especially enraging - all the fame, all the success, all the brownie points for the USO tour couldn't beat short and ugly. She was still repulsed by him.

    He then gets his revenge with the stupid picture - look, big bro, I made it to second base with the Playboy model!

    So while Franken is triggering the pretty girl's gag reflex over first base, Trump is bragging about how they are waiving him straight in to third.

    Falcon says…”Trump is bragging about how they are waiving him straight in to third.”

    I’ll be laughing a lot on that line. Well done.

    On a side note, I am watching an old Cheers now and Shelly Long is exposed as finally being shallow and only wanting a great looking guy like Sam, not a nice, intelligent worldly guy who is homely.

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  112. Olorin says:
    @Mr. Anon

    But, after decades in the public eye, how much evidence is there that he’s a major sexual harasser?
     
    Not that much. Also, he doesn't seem to have been very successful at it; his grabbiness didn't get him where he wanted to go, at least as far as we know.

    The only reasons his fellow Democrats in Congress are urging him to step down are: 1.) they know he'll be replaced by a Democrat, and 2.) to rhetorically position themselves for the on-going / up-coming Roy Moore battle. If Minnesota had a Republican governor, the Dems would be making excuses for Franken and rebuffing any attempts to force his resignation.

    The only reasons his fellow Democrats in Congress are urging him to step down are: 1.) they know he’ll be replaced by a Democrat

    After which they can claim the Momentum Of A Big Win.

    What I can’t comprehend is why anyone’s amazed that they are willing to throw “white men” under the bus. Especially since most of the “white men” in question are over 60, and these are opening salvos of the Geronticide Era. In which longer lifespans will be systematically undone by things ranging from emotional and economic abuse to withholding of all but palliative health care after the total cashectomy is performed. Because dolt-wrangling and -farming is very very lucrative indeed, while the plantation lasts and r-populations continue to breed like, well, r-populations.

    https://www.populationpyramid.net/

    https://www.populationpyramid.net/africa/2017/

    his grabbiness didn’t get him where he wanted to go, at least as far as we know.

    Mr. Anon, you need to read up on the election machinations that led to his being installed in the seat in the first place.

    This is not a guy who ever had a sextant and star map. This is one of the most useful idiots in the history of the US Senate.

    He was a trial balloon, a test case, for a new kind of globo-Dem-leftist electioneering in the Aughts. It didn’t go much of anywhere strategically speaking, in the larger scheme of things…but he got in the seat and held it.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7487

    http://keywiki.org/Mark_Ritchie#2006_Campaign

    Their desire to have him step down owes to them having a more useful idiot in the wings. And some other set of electioneering machinations. (Don’t misunderestimate the role of the Target/Dayton fortune in all of this.)

    Also the so-called Minnesota so-called Democratic-Farmer-Labor so-called Party is rife with infotainment sorts waiting to replace the old actual farmers and laborers that used to constitute it (like hobby farmer Rebecca Otto/her husband).

    And nobody has forgotten the “Minnesota Massacre” of the late ’70s.

    https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2008/05/dfl-culture-wars-1978

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/10/21_kelleherb_bwcamassacre/

    http://minnesota.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.5749/minnesota/9780816680528.001.0001/upso-9780816680528-chapter-9

    Quaint to read a time when Minnesota elected officials cared about things like canoe wildernesses and snowmobile policy. These days it’s all muzzies and trannies and gals capitalizing on their former nudge nudge wink wink with male supervisors by claiming to have been abused Victorian flowers in their career climbing. Victimopoly.

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    I'm passingly familiar with the allegations of electoral hanky-panky by Franken's campaign. When I said is grabbiness didn't get him where he wanted to go, I meant that this sexual advances seem to have often been rebuffed with an implied "eeeeew". Maybe he scored some of the time - we wouldn't know about those, I suppose.
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  113. Jack D says:
    @James Kabala
    The real problem is that the Sexual Revolution (cheered on by both men and women) created a world in which asking someone for a date is considered a sexual proposition, when in fact it should be just the first step of a multi-step process (with the final step ideally taking place only after marriage).

    But actually very few of these cases involve merely asking for a date. If anything, the borderline or questionable cases are kind of the opposite - no attempt at romance, just a habit of sexually oriented conversation. Dustin Hoffman, for example, does not seem to have had serious romantic or sexual designs on the intern he bothered, but for some reason he got his jollies from explicit discussion of her body parts.

    I think in Hoffman’s case (and in Franken’s too, in relation to the now famous Tweeden photo – BTW without that photo I think he could have withstood the criticism) it was just a warped sense of humor and not sexual at all. They have gotten dragged into the current witch roundup along with all the others but raping women as Weinstein is alleged to have done is on a whole different level than making a crude joke.

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  114. @Stephen Paul Foster
    Yes, no one could surpass the Kennedies for using and destroying women. The entire clan, multi-generational, starting with Joe Sr. -- drunks, scumbags, lechers, rapists, slayers of mistresses, etc. JFK Jr. was told he didn't have the piloting skills to fly his new plane in the dark and bad weather, but, hey, what did they know? So he brought along his wife and her sister. Why squander your own life when you can wipe out a couple of chicks on the way?

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/10/from-ted-kennedy-to-harvey-weinstein-or.html

    Michael Kennedy was even dumber than John-John.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_LeMoyne_Kennedy

    Kennedy died on December 31, 1997, in a skiing accident in Aspen Mountain, Colorado. He was playing football while on skis with several other members of the Kennedy family when at approximately 4:15 p.m. he hit a tree. Kennedy was not wearing a helmet or other safety equipment. Some have stated that the family had been previously warned by the ski patrol to cease the activity. Others have stated that the ski patrol issued no such warnings. Following the accident Kennedy was taken to Aspen Valley Hospital where he was pronounced dead at 5:50 p.m.

    Who plays football on skis? (I’m from Miami, so I don’t know if it’s a Thing or not.)

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    An avid skier, I'm trying to sort out how one plays football on skis.

    I presume they weren't actually playing football, but rather playing catch with a football whilst skiing downhill. Dangerous and stupid as Hell, since attention should be singularly on skiing to avoid obstacles, etc. If they'd been goofing this way in a flat area, or even a bunny slope, I can see it ... but in that case I cannot fathom death from hitting a tree (there wouldn't be sufficient speed and force).

    In any event, skiing without a helmet is monumentally stupid, football aside.

    Edit: Yep, dumbasses:

    "A family friend who is an expert skier said he had once been invited to play the football game, but after watching, he said, he was scared off.

    'It is very, very dangerous,' said the friend, who declined to be identified. 'They divide the mountain into fields with the next goal being a tree or a sign. Whoever gets to the ball, gets a point and gets to throw the ball again. They don't play with poles; they give them to somebody else.'"

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  115. “The core of the accusations against Moore involve the 14 year old. A thirty-something pursuing 16 year olds in a state where the age of consent is 16 is not illegal but perhaps still creepy in a way that dating a 19 year old is not. If Moore had had a 19 year old girlfriend like Disick then no one would have or could have said a word about it. But 14 year olds are off limits, so if you believe the story about the 14 year old then what Moore did was actually criminal.”

    Most of what you say I agree with, and said that I agreed with it in my original post. I’m not sure if the ‘core’ of the accusations involve a 14 year old. I think an accusation involves a 14 year old, and Moore supporters don’t believe it (and it is a bit unbelievable; a government attorney approached a 14 year old for sex, at his workplace in the public hallway, while she was sitting next to her mother). If they were true, they would unquestionably be grounds for removal from the Senate.

    I’m not aware of Moore pursuing 16 year olds. I thought they involved 17/18 year olds-basically, high school seniors. Again, a bit creepy and desperate, and I wouldn’t want my 18 year old daughter to get involved with a 33 year old, but 40-50 years ago, in a rural conservative region, its a bit odd rather than a bit criminal (it smacks of desperation rather than perversion).

    In any event: reread what I said, below: he was dating teenagers (17+), and the accusations by the 14 year old simply aren’t believed-rather than believed but accepted.

    “defenders of Roy Moore think he probably dated or attempted to date teenagers (17+) as a young 30′s lawyer. They think it might be odd or pitiful, but not a firing offense, and are willing to give him a pass given 1) the times (and place-rural Alabama) were probably different, and pursuing older teenagers isn’t illegal or immoral-its just represents perhaps a bit of social oddity (for instance, in high school one of my female classmates surreptitiously dated, and ultimately married, a track coach. Odd, for both, but not illegal or immoral-and in fact, given that they ultimately married, entirely fine), and 2) they don’t believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one’s willing to just come out and say this.”

    joe

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    Not to mention that this was all 40 years ago.
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  116. peterike says:

    Oh my. Franken said the following during his resignation speech:

    Minnesotans deserve a senator who can focus with all her energy on addressing the issues they face every day

    What a cuck.

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    Probably will be a she, though. It's a safer choice.
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  117. Sexual assault isn’t about sex it is about power

    In commission and punishment

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  118. sabril says:
    @James Kabala
    The real problem is that the Sexual Revolution (cheered on by both men and women) created a world in which asking someone for a date is considered a sexual proposition, when in fact it should be just the first step of a multi-step process (with the final step ideally taking place only after marriage).

    But actually very few of these cases involve merely asking for a date. If anything, the borderline or questionable cases are kind of the opposite - no attempt at romance, just a habit of sexually oriented conversation. Dustin Hoffman, for example, does not seem to have had serious romantic or sexual designs on the intern he bothered, but for some reason he got his jollies from explicit discussion of her body parts.

    The real problem is that the Sexual Revolution (cheered on by both men and women) created a world in which asking someone for a date is considered a sexual proposition,

    Actually I think the problem is kind of the opposite. If you are a powerful man, young women start inviting you to spend time with them one-on-one or at least they are very receptive to meeting with you one-on-one. When one of these meetings takes place, is it a “date.”? It’s not really clear.

    To put it another way, a girl is allowed ask a man to meet her for “advice” or whatever; meet at a traditional dating venue like a restaurant; dress in feminine, revealing clothing; and discuss personal things with him; while at the same time insisting that there was absolutely nothing sexual about her proposition or conduct.

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  119. @eah
    https://twitter.com/JBurtonXP/status/938495939198836736

    Launch geriatric biohazard in 3,2,1:

    From the same beta- talmudoid:

    The liberal magazine Mother Jones unearthed the Sanders essay, calling it ‘a stream-of-consciousness essay on the nature of male-female sexual dynamics.’:

    https://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-1972-men-fantasize-about-abusing-women-women-fantasize-about-being-raped/

    293c59bb00000578-0-image-m-26_1433106404289.jpg (JPEG Image, 634 × 364 pixels)

    292F81FC00000578-3102836-image-a-23_1432921507344.jpg (JPEG Image, 634 × 503 pixels)

    Also:

    Cancer, Disease and Society by Bernard Sanders. (12.19.1977.)

    “….How much guilt, nervousness have you imbued in your daughter with regard to sex?

    If she is 16, 3 years beyond puberty and the time which nature set forth for child-bearing , and spent a night out with her boyfriend, what is your reaction?

    Do you take her to a psychiatrist because she is “maladjusted,” or a “prostitute,” or are you happy that she has found someone with whom she can share love?

    Are you concerned about HER happiness, or about your “reputation” in the community….”

    https://sandersguideblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/16/cancer-disease-and-society/

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    "We have a POTUS who acknowledged on a tape widely seen all over the country that he's assaulted women, so I would hope maybe the president of the United States might pay attention of what's going on and also think about resigning."

    Time for the daily reminder that Sanders was in Congress for decades with Ted Kennedy, who killed a woman, and never asked him to resign.
    , @Vinteuil
    "We need a cultural revolution in this country..."

    Possibly even a "Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution" - complete with struggle sessions, dunce caps & summary justice for enemies of the people?

    Who would ever have guessed that Bernie Sanders might think so.
    , @Jack D

    "We need a cultural revolution in this country."
     
    It's amazing that the left can get away with this stuff. What if Trump said we need a final solution to the problem of immigrant crime?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

    Estimates of the death toll, including civilians and Red Guards, vary greatly.[147] They range upwards to several millions, but an estimate of around 400,000 deaths is a widely accepted minimum figure....


    Let's pray that our cultural revolution will be less bloody.
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  120. PapayaSF says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    What did Al Franken mostly in was the photo of him "attacking" the sleeping female entertainer returning from a troop tour.

    The purported "attack" was pure juvenile nonsense. It was about as threatening as a lollipop!

    Franken then circulated the photo to humiliate her. Not cool.

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  121. Dan Hayes says:

    PapayaSF:

    I certainly agree.

    Franken’s circulation of the photo was certainly very bad. The only slightly mitigating factor would be this being another manifestation of very demonic juvenile behavior.

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  122. rogue-one says:

    Well, in Silicon Valley they are now going after asian men too. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-07/another-female-entrepreneur-alleges-misconduct-by-vc-pishevar)

    Perhaps this is not just a movement exclusively against white men but rather successful men on top who must be shamed & replaced by underperforming minorities & women.

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  123. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @bored identity
    Launch geriatric biohazard in 3,2,1:

    https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/938758299939430400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05_04/BernieSanders_GIF.gif


    From the same beta- talmudoid:



    The liberal magazine Mother Jones unearthed the Sanders essay, calling it 'a stream-of-consciousness essay on the nature of male-female sexual dynamics.':

    https://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-1972-men-fantasize-about-abusing-women-women-fantasize-about-being-raped/



    293c59bb00000578-0-image-m-26_1433106404289.jpg (JPEG Image, 634 × 364 pixels)

    https://sandersguideblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/293c59bb00000578-0-image-m-26_1433106404289.jpg


    292F81FC00000578-3102836-image-a-23_1432921507344.jpg (JPEG Image, 634 × 503 pixels)

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/29/18/292F81FC00000578-3102836-image-a-23_1432921507344.jpg




    Also:




    Cancer, Disease and Society by Bernard Sanders. (12.19.1977.)


    "....How much guilt, nervousness have you imbued in your daughter with regard to sex?

    If she is 16, 3 years beyond puberty and the time which nature set forth for child-bearing , and spent a night out with her boyfriend, what is your reaction?

    Do you take her to a psychiatrist because she is “maladjusted,” or a “prostitute,” or are you happy that she has found someone with whom she can share love?

    Are you concerned about HER happiness, or about your “reputation” in the community...."


    https://sandersguideblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/16/cancer-disease-and-society/

     


     

     

    “We have a POTUS who acknowledged on a tape widely seen all over the country that he’s assaulted women, so I would hope maybe the president of the United States might pay attention of what’s going on and also think about resigning.”

    Time for the daily reminder that Sanders was in Congress for decades with Ted Kennedy, who killed a woman, and never asked him to resign.

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  124. Horseball says:

    Coming as this did close to Sonny Bono’s death, it was pointed out that the overwhelming majority of skiing fatalities result from expert skiers on intermediate slopes. They do things, like Bono, of going in and out of the trees, or play a game like the Kennedys did, to make it more challenging or interesting.

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  125. Forbes says:
    @James Kabala
    The real problem is that the Sexual Revolution (cheered on by both men and women) created a world in which asking someone for a date is considered a sexual proposition, when in fact it should be just the first step of a multi-step process (with the final step ideally taking place only after marriage).

    But actually very few of these cases involve merely asking for a date. If anything, the borderline or questionable cases are kind of the opposite - no attempt at romance, just a habit of sexually oriented conversation. Dustin Hoffman, for example, does not seem to have had serious romantic or sexual designs on the intern he bothered, but for some reason he got his jollies from explicit discussion of her body parts.

    The Sexual Revolution dispensed with the conventions and traditions surrounding courtship, turning male-female relations into a veiled negotiation over sexual intimacy. The course of action one would pursue is littered with trial and error, made up as you go along.

    Now, a couple generations after the Revolution, there are no guidelines, customs, or protocols about acceptable behavior–it’s what you can get away with, or can’t, as the case may be. An important foundation of human relations has been stripped away. This is foreign and stunting, or liberating and empowering–depending on who you talk to.

    Complicating matters, the conduct in question appears quite disparate. Harvey Weinstein was using the casting couch–probably to great exaggeration, as others were aware. Charlie Rose never recognized he became an old codger, employing his approach not merely on younger women, but women aged as his granddaughter might be, as others were aware. Matt Lauer employed his positional power because he could, as others were aware. Kevin Spacey’s groping is pretty common in gay circles. Al Franken has been a rude “funnyman” for 40 years, and seemingly got away with one free grope (grabbing an ass while posing for a photo was funny in high school) dozens (hundreds?) of times.

    Others employed some combination of “don’t you know who I am,” or “this is who I am.”

    These behaviors are based on a power/dominance relationship–which was supposed to disappear as a result of the Sexual Revolution, the purpose of which was to empower (level the playing field for) women. What the Revolution accomplished was the tearing up of the rule book, the customs that had developed over generations (or longer) that men and women used to navigate the mine field of intimate relations.

    As typical of most progressive-left social reforms, the law of unintended consequences reared its ugly head. The lack of impulse control revealed itself. Having dispensed with the rules of the game, the players resorted to base instincts, rather than their highest aspirations.

    When “anything goes,” anything will. And here we are.

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  126. @Buffalo Joe
    Stephen, I get confused with the Kennedys and their cousins, but didn't one have an affair with his children's 14 year old babysitter.
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  127. Nico says:
    @Thea
    I don't quite understand how porn is legal but not prostitution.

    What happened to their cherished moral standard of consent?

    Jean-Pierre Airut wrote in Causeur, as NVB was reopening the prostitution debate in France:

    That’ll be the last straw, when, in a society where sadomasochists are “living out their fantasies” and not flaunting their squalidness; where freely-consenting men and women can, from age 15 on, copulate in organized group sessions; where pornographic shows have full licence; where “freedom of enterprise” means one can open in good standing a swingers’ club in view of the street; where former porn stars are flaunted as pop culture heroes for the young in mainstream media; where casual streetside solicitation is forbidden but active solicitation in the form of “pink flyers” is not; where parents doll their girls up as sex objects from the tenderest age in hopes of seeing them become supermodels; where there’s no need to marry when you can live with multiple partners; where a woman can force a man she cuckolded to support her bastard child even though we as a society supposedly favor “choice”…

    It’ll be the last straw when, in such a moral and rational society, a human being with a sexual or affective need can satisfy it through the services of a freely-consenting adult, in exchange for an agreed-upon sum of money.

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  128. Brutusale says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Stephen, I get confused with the Kennedys and their cousins, but didn't one have an affair with his children's 14 year old babysitter.

    An outhouse Kennedy, but just as obnoxious as the real thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Martha_Moxley

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    Michael Skakel's conviction for the murder of Martha Moxley was overturned in 2013 on the grounds of ineffective counsel. The conviction was reinstated a year ago by the Connecticut Supreme Court.

    Skakel is still out while the latest ruling is appealed.

    FX is going to make a miniseries on RFK Jr.'s book which claimed Skakel's innocence.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Brutus, love the term..."outhouse cousin,"
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  129. I’m just glad he’s gone. He set a dangerous precedent by getting to be a senator despite being nothing more than an SNL cast member and Hack Of All Political Hacks. I don’t want to live in a society where the Janeane Garofalo’s of the world are actually able to convince people that they should run things.

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  130. @James Kabala
    People have started to turn on Bill. What saves him from complete repudiation is mainly 1) his association with Hillary and 2) his having been out of actual office for sixteen years. Say what you will about millennial feminists, they seem to be more consistent than the previous generations. (The instant collapse of The Birth of a Nation from Oscar favorite to forgotten also-ran is maybe the strongest demonstration of this.)

    The instant collapse of The Birth of a Nation …

    I dunno about collapse. BoaN cost $8.5M and did $16.8M at the box office. But my local blue state library has 6 copies and 5 people on the wait list. You can watch or buy it on Amazon for $10 – $19 depending on the format. I’ll bet you every school district in the country has a few copies and they are played in “American History” classes everyday.

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    Fox spent $17.5 million to buy the distribution rights and probably a few million in advertising - best case. It was a huge loss for them. It may barely make its money back, but studios aren't in business to break even.
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  131. dr kill says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster
    Yes, no one could surpass the Kennedies for using and destroying women. The entire clan, multi-generational, starting with Joe Sr. -- drunks, scumbags, lechers, rapists, slayers of mistresses, etc. JFK Jr. was told he didn't have the piloting skills to fly his new plane in the dark and bad weather, but, hey, what did they know? So he brought along his wife and her sister. Why squander your own life when you can wipe out a couple of chicks on the way?

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/10/from-ted-kennedy-to-harvey-weinstein-or.html

    Kennedys have trouble with all modes of transportation, from PT boats to B17s to Piper Saratogas to downhill skis to 1967 Delmont 88′s to Jeep Cherokees to treadmills.

    I suppose they should have just walked.

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    Or not be drunk when driving cars, skiing, sailing, flying planes, biking or on any mode of transit
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  132. whorefinder says: • Website

    And despite the protestations of some people (including Steve), as I predicted they purged Al Franken.

    Can I get a little credit here, Steve?

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  133. sabril says:
    @Jack D
    I think are several things are going on here:

    1. These guys look like they would have not gotten a 2nd look from the girls before they were rich and famous, so they never had the chance to develop the mad dating skillz that you have. And now they were, in many cases, being PURSUED by females - a nerd's dream come true. Or at the very least the females were flattered and weren't objecting - as Trump said, "they let you".

    2. Now that they WERE rich and famous, they considered themselves to be busy important men without the time to play around with a long and slow seduction process. Busy and important men such as themselves need to get right down to business and don't have time to linger over long candlelit lunches, etc. especially when they are subject to being caught by paparazzi. Trump said that this was his strategy. Lauer didn't even try for a hotel room but did the deed right in his office with his office staff, not just to save time and hotel bills but because he couldn't risk being seen in public with other women.

    3. We are only hearing now about the complainers. Especially in Weinstein's case, he was a genuine Jack Kennedy level sex maniac who tried for a new girl every night. I don't know what his success % was but I think it was very high, so in his mind the direct approach was effective much more often than not. If the girl threatened to squeal afterward, he would just threaten to ruin her life. The other guys did not rise to his sociopathic level but still the women had (and the men knew that they had) a big incentive to keep their mouths shut and not ruin their own careers. So in the men's minds, the risk/reward ratio was favorable.

    they never had the chance to develop the mad dating skillz that you have.

    Part of the problem is that when you are a powerful man, it becomes more difficult to gauge girls’ sexual interest. For ordinary guys, if the girl is simply willing to spend time one-on-one with you and asks you questions about your life, it’s a pretty good indication that she is sexually interested. If you are a powerful man, it could just mean that she wants a job.

    The other problem is that girls don’t like to admit to themselves or others that they are turned on by power. So even if they are willing — or even eager — to have a sexual relationship, they will always be tempted to retcon things to turn it into harassment, assault, or even rape.

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  134. “Sexual assault isn’t about sex it is about power”

    Yet another feminist talking point that makes absolutely no sense.

    If sexual assault were about power rather than sex, there wouldn’t be any sexual assault. The assaulters would just walk around punching women in the nose-easier, easier to get away with, and less punishment if caught.

    joe

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    “Sexual assault isn’t about sex it is about power”

    Yet another feminist talking point that makes absolutely no sense.
     
    Yes, I have never understood that trope. Not about sex? Then what the Hell is it about? Farm subsidies?

    Is embezzlement not about money? Is burglarly not about jewelry and TVs?
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Sexual assault isn’t about sex it is about power”

    Yet another feminist talking point that makes absolutely no sense.
     
    That saying is melodramatically overstated as a blanket rule (and echoes some second-wave “radical feminists” aka feminazis who implied that all straight sex is akin to rape), but there is truth to the slogan in that some perpetrators are not just motivated by “sex”; their exercise of power over an unwilling victim is an intrinsic part of the turn-on.*

    Also, the slogan considers the victim’s perception of power. Let’s put it this way—what would make you feel more powerless: Being sucker-punched by a thug who runs away and escapes while you nurse a broken jaw, or being held down in an alley while two huge trannys sodomize you (but break no bones/rip no colon)? Even with less physical damage, I’m pretty sure the latter would have more of a negative effect on your psyche (unless you’re into that sort of thing NTTAWWT hahaha).

    *For example, Harvey Weinstein (allegedly) forcing a young dancer down on a bed and jerking off on her seems more to be a power play of humiliation and domination. Like he gets off not simply because the victim is desirable, but because she is being helplessly degraded and has no recourse (or so he thought). NYT:

    Some women whom the producer allegedly targeted describe assistants manipulating them with chilling detachment. In 2004, when Ashley Matthau was a dancer in a Weinstein film, she said his assistant ushered her into a car, told her that the meeting with the producer was for business purposes and then waited outside a hotel room. There, she said, Mr. Weinstein pushed her on a bed and masturbated on her. When she walked out, the assistant was waiting. Ms. Matthau began to cry, but the woman “wouldn’t even acknowledge me,” she said. “It just seemed like a well-oiled machine.” She later reached a settlement with Mr. Weinstein.
     
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  135. Vinteuil says:
    @joeyjoejoe
    "The core of the accusations against Moore involve the 14 year old. A thirty-something pursuing 16 year olds in a state where the age of consent is 16 is not illegal but perhaps still creepy in a way that dating a 19 year old is not. If Moore had had a 19 year old girlfriend like Disick then no one would have or could have said a word about it. But 14 year olds are off limits, so if you believe the story about the 14 year old then what Moore did was actually criminal."

    Most of what you say I agree with, and said that I agreed with it in my original post. I'm not sure if the 'core' of the accusations involve a 14 year old. I think an accusation involves a 14 year old, and Moore supporters don't believe it (and it is a bit unbelievable; a government attorney approached a 14 year old for sex, at his workplace in the public hallway, while she was sitting next to her mother). If they were true, they would unquestionably be grounds for removal from the Senate.

    I'm not aware of Moore pursuing 16 year olds. I thought they involved 17/18 year olds-basically, high school seniors. Again, a bit creepy and desperate, and I wouldn't want my 18 year old daughter to get involved with a 33 year old, but 40-50 years ago, in a rural conservative region, its a bit odd rather than a bit criminal (it smacks of desperation rather than perversion).

    In any event: reread what I said, below: he was dating teenagers (17+), and the accusations by the 14 year old simply aren't believed-rather than believed but accepted.

    "defenders of Roy Moore think he probably dated or attempted to date teenagers (17+) as a young 30′s lawyer. They think it might be odd or pitiful, but not a firing offense, and are willing to give him a pass given 1) the times (and place-rural Alabama) were probably different, and pursuing older teenagers isn’t illegal or immoral-its just represents perhaps a bit of social oddity (for instance, in high school one of my female classmates surreptitiously dated, and ultimately married, a track coach. Odd, for both, but not illegal or immoral-and in fact, given that they ultimately married, entirely fine), and 2) they don’t believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one’s willing to just come out and say this."

    joe

    Not to mention that this was all 40 years ago.

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    Not to mention that this was all 40 years ago.
     
    And what is it that Democrats always say (about their scandals)? "That's old news. Time to move on."
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  136. Vinteuil says:
    @bored identity
    Launch geriatric biohazard in 3,2,1:

    https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/938758299939430400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05_04/BernieSanders_GIF.gif


    From the same beta- talmudoid:



    The liberal magazine Mother Jones unearthed the Sanders essay, calling it 'a stream-of-consciousness essay on the nature of male-female sexual dynamics.':

    https://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-1972-men-fantasize-about-abusing-women-women-fantasize-about-being-raped/



    293c59bb00000578-0-image-m-26_1433106404289.jpg (JPEG Image, 634 × 364 pixels)

    https://sandersguideblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/293c59bb00000578-0-image-m-26_1433106404289.jpg


    292F81FC00000578-3102836-image-a-23_1432921507344.jpg (JPEG Image, 634 × 503 pixels)

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/29/18/292F81FC00000578-3102836-image-a-23_1432921507344.jpg




    Also:




    Cancer, Disease and Society by Bernard Sanders. (12.19.1977.)


    "....How much guilt, nervousness have you imbued in your daughter with regard to sex?

    If she is 16, 3 years beyond puberty and the time which nature set forth for child-bearing , and spent a night out with her boyfriend, what is your reaction?

    Do you take her to a psychiatrist because she is “maladjusted,” or a “prostitute,” or are you happy that she has found someone with whom she can share love?

    Are you concerned about HER happiness, or about your “reputation” in the community...."


    https://sandersguideblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/16/cancer-disease-and-society/

     


     

     

    “We need a cultural revolution in this country…”

    Possibly even a “Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution” – complete with struggle sessions, dunce caps & summary justice for enemies of the people?

    Who would ever have guessed that Bernie Sanders might think so.

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  137. jimbo says:
    @CAL2
    I disagree. There's a photo of him groping a sleeping woman. A sane world has him resigning immediately due to the pressure everyone puts on him. It's not Weinstein level. However, it's not down to the "He put his hand on my knee" or "He asked me to have sex with him a handful of times" level of simple jerkiness. It's still over the line behavior.

    No, there’s a photo of him pretending to grope a sleeping women. Crass, true, but hardly assault.

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  138. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim Don Bob

    The instant collapse of The Birth of a Nation ...
     
    I dunno about collapse. BoaN cost $8.5M and did $16.8M at the box office. But my local blue state library has 6 copies and 5 people on the wait list. You can watch or buy it on Amazon for $10 - $19 depending on the format. I'll bet you every school district in the country has a few copies and they are played in "American History" classes everyday.

    Fox spent $17.5 million to buy the distribution rights and probably a few million in advertising – best case. It was a huge loss for them. It may barely make its money back, but studios aren’t in business to break even.

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    Years ago I read that the studios don't care if only 12 people see a movie if it has the Right Message. They figure a blockbuster from the youth market makes up financially for a politically correct Bomb.
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  139. Jack D says:
    @bored identity
    Launch geriatric biohazard in 3,2,1:

    https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/938758299939430400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05_04/BernieSanders_GIF.gif


    From the same beta- talmudoid:



    The liberal magazine Mother Jones unearthed the Sanders essay, calling it 'a stream-of-consciousness essay on the nature of male-female sexual dynamics.':

    https://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-1972-men-fantasize-about-abusing-women-women-fantasize-about-being-raped/



    293c59bb00000578-0-image-m-26_1433106404289.jpg (JPEG Image, 634 × 364 pixels)

    https://sandersguideblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/293c59bb00000578-0-image-m-26_1433106404289.jpg


    292F81FC00000578-3102836-image-a-23_1432921507344.jpg (JPEG Image, 634 × 503 pixels)

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/29/18/292F81FC00000578-3102836-image-a-23_1432921507344.jpg




    Also:




    Cancer, Disease and Society by Bernard Sanders. (12.19.1977.)


    "....How much guilt, nervousness have you imbued in your daughter with regard to sex?

    If she is 16, 3 years beyond puberty and the time which nature set forth for child-bearing , and spent a night out with her boyfriend, what is your reaction?

    Do you take her to a psychiatrist because she is “maladjusted,” or a “prostitute,” or are you happy that she has found someone with whom she can share love?

    Are you concerned about HER happiness, or about your “reputation” in the community...."


    https://sandersguideblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/16/cancer-disease-and-society/

     


     

     

    “We need a cultural revolution in this country.”

    It’s amazing that the left can get away with this stuff. What if Trump said we need a final solution to the problem of immigrant crime?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

    Estimates of the death toll, including civilians and Red Guards, vary greatly.[147] They range upwards to several millions, but an estimate of around 400,000 deaths is a widely accepted minimum figure….

    Let’s pray that our cultural revolution will be less bloody.

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    >It’s amazing that the left can get away with this stuff.

    I know I really, really need to stop expecting things from the Left in this country... but that just made me gape in awe.

    To this day, China hasn't recovered psychologically from the real thing. Thousands of years of history were lost, an entire language and culture utterly changed by a mob running amok at the whims of one man, as the army and tools of state looked on and tried to limit the damage. The memory of the Cultural Revolution is the main reason for the extreme hankering for stability and order for Chinese over a certain age, damn the consequences. As long as the generation that remembers that is alive, that'll be the case. The whole point of the early 80s changes in government structure in China was so something like that could *never* happen again. Tiananmen Square was caused in no small part by the fact that the mere suggestion of protesting students triggered PTSD-like reactions for Deng and his inner circle. Bottom line: nobody wants the Cultural Revolution back in China. Period. Dot. It was the perfectly crappy coda for a crappy century+ of history at that point for China.

    As far as foreign policy went, the Cultural Revolution scared Kim Il Sung and Leonid Brezhnev to the point that the latter seriously considering preemptively nuking China. Part of the reason only Nixon could go to China was... well, because only Nixon wanted to go there in the first place, by the early 1970s, such was China's reputation as essentially a gigantic North Korea that happened to live up to the internationalist rhetoric until the foreign policy shift of the early 1970s.

    So, yeah. Let's not do what China did. I have my confidence that history is just going to repeat itself as farce, as has happened so many times. But if worst comes to worst, let's also look on whatever grim satisfaction we can take: looking at what happened to the enthusiastic bien-pensant cadres of the day, these kinds of people will wake up real quick to the monster they created.

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  140. @Anon
    In the present climate, I think Ted Kennedy would have been asked to resign as a senator, too. Things have changed.

    Recently I glanced through Arthur Schlesinger’s published diaries. Schlesinger quoted Ethel Kennedy as saying Ted Kennedy resigning in the wake of Mary Jo Kopechne’s death was considered, but rejected.

    Teddy’s advisers probably thought press, party, and public might demand his resignation. Turns out they didn’t.

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    Recently I glanced through Arthur Schlesinger’s published diaries. Schlesinger quoted Ethel Kennedy as saying Ted Kennedy resigning in the wake of Mary Jo Kopechne’s death was considered, but rejected.

    Teddy’s advisers probably thought press, party, and public might demand his resignation. Turns out they didn’t.
     
    Remember when his nephew killed some girl, and Teddy had to go to court because he was one of the last to see her alive, and it was testified that he was standing around with her at the compound in his underwear, feeding her liquor. I recall the prosecuting attorney went bizarrely easy on him during questioning. He was questioned with reverence, as if he was the victim, and he was right back to work as if nothing had happened.

    The times, they are a-changin'.
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  141. El Dato says:

    Meanwhile in the UK, where nearly everything is a crime:

    The Daily Fail explains: A scheme that could lead to sexism being made a hate crime with tougher sentences could be extended nationwide.

    This is going to work wonders, especially with brown police officers on the beat.

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  142. There is some online video of Obama flaunting an erectino in his pants on his campaign plane, as the appreciative female press corps ogles and the woman making the video tapes with her phone.

    If one of the dozen ladies didn’t want to have his boner displayed, would that not be Sexual Harassment in the current environment? But they liked the show, so its OK… unless one of them has a grudge later, then it can be RetCon’d to be harassment.

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  143. @Brutusale
    An outhouse Kennedy, but just as obnoxious as the real thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Martha_Moxley

    Michael Skakel’s conviction for the murder of Martha Moxley was overturned in 2013 on the grounds of ineffective counsel. The conviction was reinstated a year ago by the Connecticut Supreme Court.

    Skakel is still out while the latest ruling is appealed.

    FX is going to make a miniseries on RFK Jr.’s book which claimed Skakel’s innocence.

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  144. eah says:
    @Barnard
    It appears Nehlen has gone off the rails. We aren't going to get a Dave Brat like miracle win from him.

    I have sympathy for him — with his raw language he often says what many feel; he often says what I feel — I think the rawness of his language reflects the depth of his conviction that things happening now are wrong — doing the same helped Trump (probably about as much as being opposed by HRC) — but essentially you are right — however following him I must say that on balance he uses Twitter effectively — but he should have ignored the cretin Podhoretz on this occasion.

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    Even if 51% of GOP voters in the district hated Paul Ryan, they aren't going to vote to replace him with a guy who is likely to lose in the general election because of stuff he has said on Twitter. He needs to find another way to help besides running for Congress.
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  145. @Anon
    Fox spent $17.5 million to buy the distribution rights and probably a few million in advertising - best case. It was a huge loss for them. It may barely make its money back, but studios aren't in business to break even.

    Years ago I read that the studios don’t care if only 12 people see a movie if it has the Right Message. They figure a blockbuster from the youth market makes up financially for a politically correct Bomb.

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    That's what BOAN was supposed to be. They were counting on Oscar buzz selling the film: propaganda + profit. The problem here is that they got bad publicity and lost a lot of money. Many of those indie propaganda films actually make money with the right marketing. The unspoken secret in Hollywood is that most films actually make back their cost because they are wisely budgeted. Even most of the ones people think lost money didn't (Costner's Water World).
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  146. wonderer says:

    Somewhat off topic: Whatever happened to Jeaneane Garofolo?

    Last time I saw her, her upper lip had lost it’s fatty tissue, which added a quarter inch in length to it, her “smoker’s face” had progressed, making her look like a mean Dick Tracy character.

    Then after a couple of years of that, she disappeared.

    I would have thought she’d be attempting to insert herself into current events now. Hope she didn’t get early onset dementia. She was probably the most directly responsible for the public’s acceptance of obnoxious dwarves since Tolkien.

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  147. RDD says:
    @David In TN
    Recently I glanced through Arthur Schlesinger's published diaries. Schlesinger quoted Ethel Kennedy as saying Ted Kennedy resigning in the wake of Mary Jo Kopechne's death was considered, but rejected.

    Teddy's advisers probably thought press, party, and public might demand his resignation. Turns out they didn't.

    Recently I glanced through Arthur Schlesinger’s published diaries. Schlesinger quoted Ethel Kennedy as saying Ted Kennedy resigning in the wake of Mary Jo Kopechne’s death was considered, but rejected.

    Teddy’s advisers probably thought press, party, and public might demand his resignation. Turns out they didn’t.

    Remember when his nephew killed some girl, and Teddy had to go to court because he was one of the last to see her alive, and it was testified that he was standing around with her at the compound in his underwear, feeding her liquor. I recall the prosecuting attorney went bizarrely easy on him during questioning. He was questioned with reverence, as if he was the victim, and he was right back to work as if nothing had happened.

    The times, they are a-changin’.

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  148. @william munny
    I agree, but don't even think there is anything that odd about a guy in his 30s into 17-19s, especially then. For a long time, sweet little 16 was the minimum age acceptable in wider society. It has been moving up. I seem to recall that there was some mild uproar when Seinfeld dated a 17-year-old, about 25 years ago. But he was the king of tv at the time, and no one ever claimed he was a child molester or anything that stupid. It would not be allowed to pass in 2017, but 18 or 19 probably.

    Seinfeld’s 17 yo ex-gf Shoshanna Lonstein:
    Yowsa!

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  149. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @David In TN
    Years ago I read that the studios don't care if only 12 people see a movie if it has the Right Message. They figure a blockbuster from the youth market makes up financially for a politically correct Bomb.

    That’s what BOAN was supposed to be. They were counting on Oscar buzz selling the film: propaganda + profit. The problem here is that they got bad publicity and lost a lot of money. Many of those indie propaganda films actually make money with the right marketing. The unspoken secret in Hollywood is that most films actually make back their cost because they are wisely budgeted. Even most of the ones people think lost money didn’t (Costner’s Water World).

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  150. pyrrhus says:

    Stealing elections is very bad karma, iSteve…As to behavior, if Franken’s done it twenty times, he’s done it one hundred times, and besides he looks like a demented frog.

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  151. @Brutusale
    An outhouse Kennedy, but just as obnoxious as the real thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Martha_Moxley

    Brutus, love the term…”outhouse cousin,”

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    Brutus, love the term…”outhouse cousin,”

     

    Is that outhouse right next to the woodpile with the other thing we all are said to have?
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  152. @stillCARealist
    Well done! And, how long will it be before we find out how many young men Barney Frank harassed? He was one creepy-ass homo.

    Well done! And, how long will it be before we find out how many young men Barney Frank harassed? He was one creepy-ass homo.

    I accepted his explanation of being unaware of a prostitution ring in his basement because it reinforced the observation that he was clueless all around.

    However, the name Barney itself is racist:

    Additionally, none of the names used (Barney, Ben, Janice, and Jen) reflect the true diversity of names among the populace today or then. All are very “white,” too.

    https://andrewpegoda.com/2013/11/22/the-rhetoric-of-two-christmas-songs-hidden-power-of-words-series-3/

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  153. @Buffalo Joe
    Brutus, love the term..."outhouse cousin,"

    Brutus, love the term…”outhouse cousin,”

    Is that outhouse right next to the woodpile with the other thing we all are said to have?

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  154. Bubba says:
    @Anonymous

    The Democrats can’t absolve their sins by ridding themselves of Franken and a few others with boorish behavior. They’ll need to dig up the graves of Teddy and his brother JFK, put their corpses on trial and then toss them into the Potomac.
     
    Jack didn't harass women, he seduced them. And some seduced him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74oWon5VTo

    Pimping out your teenage secretary in the White House pool is quite seductive. Yeah, right.

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  155. @jorge videla (BGI volunteer)
    i agree with steve.

    this blog would be nothing without the assiduous moderation of Steve Sailerblack lesbiansSteve Sailer.

    this blog would be nothing without the assiduous moderation of Steve Sailerblack lesbiansSteve Sailer.

    “Subliminal Man” was portrayed by Kevin Nealon, not Al Franken.

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  156. Mr. Anon says:
    @Olorin

    The only reasons his fellow Democrats in Congress are urging him to step down are: 1.) they know he’ll be replaced by a Democrat
     
    After which they can claim the Momentum Of A Big Win.

    What I can't comprehend is why anyone's amazed that they are willing to throw "white men" under the bus. Especially since most of the "white men" in question are over 60, and these are opening salvos of the Geronticide Era. In which longer lifespans will be systematically undone by things ranging from emotional and economic abuse to withholding of all but palliative health care after the total cashectomy is performed. Because dolt-wrangling and -farming is very very lucrative indeed, while the plantation lasts and r-populations continue to breed like, well, r-populations.

    https://www.populationpyramid.net/

    https://www.populationpyramid.net/africa/2017/


    his grabbiness didn’t get him where he wanted to go, at least as far as we know.
     
    Mr. Anon, you need to read up on the election machinations that led to his being installed in the seat in the first place.

    This is not a guy who ever had a sextant and star map. This is one of the most useful idiots in the history of the US Senate.

    He was a trial balloon, a test case, for a new kind of globo-Dem-leftist electioneering in the Aughts. It didn't go much of anywhere strategically speaking, in the larger scheme of things...but he got in the seat and held it.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7487

    http://keywiki.org/Mark_Ritchie#2006_Campaign

    Their desire to have him step down owes to them having a more useful idiot in the wings. And some other set of electioneering machinations. (Don't misunderestimate the role of the Target/Dayton fortune in all of this.)

    Also the so-called Minnesota so-called Democratic-Farmer-Labor so-called Party is rife with infotainment sorts waiting to replace the old actual farmers and laborers that used to constitute it (like hobby farmer Rebecca Otto/her husband).

    And nobody has forgotten the "Minnesota Massacre" of the late '70s.

    https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2008/05/dfl-culture-wars-1978

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/10/21_kelleherb_bwcamassacre/

    http://minnesota.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.5749/minnesota/9780816680528.001.0001/upso-9780816680528-chapter-9

    Quaint to read a time when Minnesota elected officials cared about things like canoe wildernesses and snowmobile policy. These days it's all muzzies and trannies and gals capitalizing on their former nudge nudge wink wink with male supervisors by claiming to have been abused Victorian flowers in their career climbing. Victimopoly.

    I’m passingly familiar with the allegations of electoral hanky-panky by Franken’s campaign. When I said is grabbiness didn’t get him where he wanted to go, I meant that this sexual advances seem to have often been rebuffed with an implied “eeeeew”. Maybe he scored some of the time – we wouldn’t know about those, I suppose.

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  157. Barnard says:
    @eah
    I have sympathy for him -- with his raw language he often says what many feel; he often says what I feel -- I think the rawness of his language reflects the depth of his conviction that things happening now are wrong -- doing the same helped Trump (probably about as much as being opposed by HRC) -- but essentially you are right -- however following him I must say that on balance he uses Twitter effectively -- but he should have ignored the cretin Podhoretz on this occasion.

    Even if 51% of GOP voters in the district hated Paul Ryan, they aren’t going to vote to replace him with a guy who is likely to lose in the general election because of stuff he has said on Twitter. He needs to find another way to help besides running for Congress.

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  158. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    "We need a cultural revolution in this country."
     
    It's amazing that the left can get away with this stuff. What if Trump said we need a final solution to the problem of immigrant crime?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

    Estimates of the death toll, including civilians and Red Guards, vary greatly.[147] They range upwards to several millions, but an estimate of around 400,000 deaths is a widely accepted minimum figure....


    Let's pray that our cultural revolution will be less bloody.

    >It’s amazing that the left can get away with this stuff.

    I know I really, really need to stop expecting things from the Left in this country… but that just made me gape in awe.

    To this day, China hasn’t recovered psychologically from the real thing. Thousands of years of history were lost, an entire language and culture utterly changed by a mob running amok at the whims of one man, as the army and tools of state looked on and tried to limit the damage. The memory of the Cultural Revolution is the main reason for the extreme hankering for stability and order for Chinese over a certain age, damn the consequences. As long as the generation that remembers that is alive, that’ll be the case. The whole point of the early 80s changes in government structure in China was so something like that could *never* happen again. Tiananmen Square was caused in no small part by the fact that the mere suggestion of protesting students triggered PTSD-like reactions for Deng and his inner circle. Bottom line: nobody wants the Cultural Revolution back in China. Period. Dot. It was the perfectly crappy coda for a crappy century+ of history at that point for China.

    As far as foreign policy went, the Cultural Revolution scared Kim Il Sung and Leonid Brezhnev to the point that the latter seriously considering preemptively nuking China. Part of the reason only Nixon could go to China was… well, because only Nixon wanted to go there in the first place, by the early 1970s, such was China’s reputation as essentially a gigantic North Korea that happened to live up to the internationalist rhetoric until the foreign policy shift of the early 1970s.

    So, yeah. Let’s not do what China did. I have my confidence that history is just going to repeat itself as farce, as has happened so many times. But if worst comes to worst, let’s also look on whatever grim satisfaction we can take: looking at what happened to the enthusiastic bien-pensant cadres of the day, these kinds of people will wake up real quick to the monster they created.

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  159. Mr. Anon says:
    @Vinteuil
    Not to mention that this was all 40 years ago.

    Not to mention that this was all 40 years ago.

    And what is it that Democrats always say (about their scandals)? “That’s old news. Time to move on.”

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  160. Mr. Anon says:
    @joeyjoejoe
    "Sexual assault isn’t about sex it is about power"

    Yet another feminist talking point that makes absolutely no sense.

    If sexual assault were about power rather than sex, there wouldn't be any sexual assault. The assaulters would just walk around punching women in the nose-easier, easier to get away with, and less punishment if caught.

    joe

    “Sexual assault isn’t about sex it is about power”

    Yet another feminist talking point that makes absolutely no sense.

    Yes, I have never understood that trope. Not about sex? Then what the Hell is it about? Farm subsidies?

    Is embezzlement not about money? Is burglarly not about jewelry and TVs?

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  161. Mr. Anon says:
    @peterike
    Oh my. Franken said the following during his resignation speech:

    Minnesotans deserve a senator who can focus with all her energy on addressing the issues they face every day
     
    What a cuck.

    Probably will be a she, though. It’s a safer choice.

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  162. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D
    I think are several things are going on here:

    1. These guys look like they would have not gotten a 2nd look from the girls before they were rich and famous, so they never had the chance to develop the mad dating skillz that you have. And now they were, in many cases, being PURSUED by females - a nerd's dream come true. Or at the very least the females were flattered and weren't objecting - as Trump said, "they let you".

    2. Now that they WERE rich and famous, they considered themselves to be busy important men without the time to play around with a long and slow seduction process. Busy and important men such as themselves need to get right down to business and don't have time to linger over long candlelit lunches, etc. especially when they are subject to being caught by paparazzi. Trump said that this was his strategy. Lauer didn't even try for a hotel room but did the deed right in his office with his office staff, not just to save time and hotel bills but because he couldn't risk being seen in public with other women.

    3. We are only hearing now about the complainers. Especially in Weinstein's case, he was a genuine Jack Kennedy level sex maniac who tried for a new girl every night. I don't know what his success % was but I think it was very high, so in his mind the direct approach was effective much more often than not. If the girl threatened to squeal afterward, he would just threaten to ruin her life. The other guys did not rise to his sociopathic level but still the women had (and the men knew that they had) a big incentive to keep their mouths shut and not ruin their own careers. So in the men's minds, the risk/reward ratio was favorable.

    That sounds like a pretty sound assessment of a lot of what’s going on here.

    I don’t know what his success % was but I think it was very high, so in his mind the direct approach was effective much more often than not.

    Pussyball.

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  163. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Marilyn Monroe was a very broken women. Most of her male costars said she could become very upset when they did not reciprocate her sexual advances and needs for affection.

    Robert Mitchum knew her when she was a teenager married to her first husband and stayed clear of her advances and drank heavily when working with her. Richard Widmark also had to resist her advances and she became really difficult.

    Most famously Clark Gable near the end of his life would remove his false teeth and do a Gabby Hayes impression in order to snap Monroe out of her romantic longings for him.

    Lots of men used Monroe, but others got themselves involved with her in response to both her beauty and neediness.

    I think JFK just took advantage of her, if RFK was involved with her it was because he foolishly attempted to "white knight".

    I think JFK just took advantage of her, if RFK was involved with her it was because he foolishly attempted to “white knight”.

    More likely just sibling rivalry. Their own dad tried to poach girlfriends from them. That boy-scout act of Bobby’s was just that………..an act. He was a weasel.

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  164. Aduc996 says:

    I’m not entirely for Al getting hanged for being a handsy groper. There are guys like that, that are just stupid and should never be given any power over anybody. However, I’m perfectly happy to see him hanged for being a dick. He was a lousy unfunny comedien, and from all that I have gathered he badly mistreated the staff that worked for him. That I find intolerable. He can also be chucked down a well for all those stupid harangues he gave as a senator acting holier then thou. So I think his punishment fits the circumstance.

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  165. Dahlia says:
    @joeyjoejoe
    Regarding Roy Moore: for some reason, nobody wants to clearly articulate the situation with Roy Moore. Defenders don't state their real feelings, and opponents mischaracterize the defenders' views to make them more creepy ('Roy Moore's defenders accept pedophiles').

    The bottom line is: defenders of Roy Moore think he probably dated or attempted to date teenagers (17+) as a young 30's lawyer. They think it might be odd or pitiful, but not a firing offense, and are willing to give him a pass given 1) the times (and place-rural Alabama) were probably different, and pursuing older teenagers isn't illegal or immoral-its just represents perhaps a bit of social oddity (for instance, in high school one of my female classmates surreptitiously dated, and ultimately married, a track coach. Odd, for both, but not illegal or immoral-and in fact, given that they ultimately married, entirely fine), and 2) they don't believe the allegations that Roy Moore pursued or raped a 14 year-old. Bizarrely, no one's willing to just come out and say this.

    But then I noticed this article while reading a link from Drudge (I think regarding Trump's movement of the embassy to Jerusalem):


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5152611/Sofia-Richie-beach-day-boyfriend-Scott-Disick.html

    So not only is Moore's activity not immoral or illegal: it is fully acceptable (and even celebrated) if you are in the right social group (actor or rock star, I guess. I've never heard of either person in the article, above). The 30's guy in the article dating the 19 year old is, at the moment, one of the luckiest guys in the world!

    joe

    Regarding Roy Moore: for some reason, nobody wants to clearly articulate the situation with Roy Moore. Defenders don’t state their real feelings, and opponents mischaracterize the defenders’ views to make them more creepy (‘Roy Moore’s defenders accept pedophiles’).

    Everything you said was well said.

    But I’m curious about why there has not been a more vociferous defense or desire to look into this case like we did with Sabrina Erdely and Rolling Stone…

    If I didn’t have my own current problems with the justice system myself, I’d have loved to sink my teeth into this because it has all the red flags of “A Rape on Campus”; I wish others felt the same way, but I’m a Southerner and perhaps the teen stuff bothers others in a way that it just doesn’t bother me. I really do believe the poor man was just wife-hunting. Anyway…

    Just one example that isn’t being completely slayed because too few good guys are looking at it: currently, people are going on an on about a yearbook forgery and handwriting and *I WANT TO TEAR MY HAIR OUT*.
    Again, no clear allegations are being made. “But here’s a second book!” Okay and so? The handwriting looks legit. I believe it’s his. Again, so what? By the way, let’s look at the Nelson one (Allred client who alleged a serious crime) again next to the new one… it *strengthens the case that the Nelson one is a forgery, lol!!!
    Graphology was a hobby of mine in high school and though I’ve forgotten so much, the particulars of forgeries – slowness, more careful placement of dashes and dots, and especially heavier pressure owed to greater concentration in trying to copy- are present.
    Nah, they’re not giving that yearbook up for examination, lol!

    That’s just one. JUST ONE!

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    One final thing about the Moore/Sabrina Erdely stuff...

    We're so close to the senate race now that it doesn't matter as much anymore and the guy is going to win. So, a takeaway lesson...

    When Sabrina Erdely wrote "A Rape on Campus" it was only the latest travesty she had written. The woman damaged so many lives. Because of her, an innocent priest died in prison. An advocate of his, an old-school Italian journalist, who was also an advocate for the other, still living, jailed priest said that the most friendless person one could be in this world was to be an innocent priest accused of pedophilia.

    Sabrina Erdely won many awards and was held in high esteem for her "journalism". Until Richard Bradley, Steve Sailer, and many of us losers around here got a hold of "A Rape on Campus", she was flying high and wrecking so much havoc. We got demeaned and called every name in the book when we started looking into it, but we persisted in following our intuition and the facts.

    Sabrina Rubin Erdely still would be a well-regarded and highly active journalist if it hadn't been for all of us. There are others there just like her, and everyone has been served notice.
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  166. @Anonymouse
    What do you mean obnoxious? Franken played Stewart Smiley, in a baby-blue poliester sweater, as an over-the-top smarmy damaged fragile loser, not a licenced therapist, but a loving caring human bean. Hilarious! I confess not being that avid a SNL viewer. Wasn't Stewart Smiley his basic schtick? Like Tracy Morgan playing Brian Fellowes, the nature lover in a white-hunter's outfit, with a 10th grade education. Hilarious!

    Stuart Smalley

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  167. @Lugash
    The Age of Evidence is over. All hail the Age of Accusation!

    The Age of Evidence ended long ago. For me, it ended in 1989 during the confirmation hearings for the appointment of John Tower to the post of Secretary of Defense.

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  168. As happy as I am to see Franken go, I think he’s getting screwed.
    The mere fact that it’s happening to a commissioned officer in the Army of the Left doesn’t make it right – it just makes it fun.
    In a clear sign that the Al Franken Decade has faded into the misty past, he’s been chosen by his commanders to fall on his sword – to make of himself a fatal example – so that they can pretend they’re not hypocrites.

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  169. Dahlia says:
    @Dahlia

    Regarding Roy Moore: for some reason, nobody wants to clearly articulate the situation with Roy Moore. Defenders don’t state their real feelings, and opponents mischaracterize the defenders’ views to make them more creepy (‘Roy Moore’s defenders accept pedophiles’).
     
    Everything you said was well said.

    But I'm curious about why there has not been a more vociferous defense or desire to look into this case like we did with Sabrina Erdely and Rolling Stone...

    If I didn't have my own current problems with the justice system myself, I'd have loved to sink my teeth into this because it has all the red flags of "A Rape on Campus"; I wish others felt the same way, but I'm a Southerner and perhaps the teen stuff bothers others in a way that it just doesn't bother me. I really do believe the poor man was just wife-hunting. Anyway...

    Just one example that isn't being completely slayed because too few good guys are looking at it: currently, people are going on an on about a yearbook forgery and handwriting and *I WANT TO TEAR MY HAIR OUT*.
    Again, no clear allegations are being made. "But here's a second book!" Okay and so? The handwriting looks legit. I believe it's his. Again, so what? By the way, let's look at the Nelson one (Allred client who alleged a serious crime) again next to the new one... it *strengthens the case that the Nelson one is a forgery, lol!!!
    Graphology was a hobby of mine in high school and though I've forgotten so much, the particulars of forgeries - slowness, more careful placement of dashes and dots, and especially heavier pressure owed to greater concentration in trying to copy- are present.
    Nah, they're not giving that yearbook up for examination, lol!

    That's just one. JUST ONE!

    One final thing about the Moore/Sabrina Erdely stuff…

    We’re so close to the senate race now that it doesn’t matter as much anymore and the guy is going to win. So, a takeaway lesson…

    When Sabrina Erdely wrote “A Rape on Campus” it was only the latest travesty she had written. The woman damaged so many lives. Because of her, an innocent priest died in prison. An advocate of his, an old-school Italian journalist, who was also an advocate for the other, still living, jailed priest said that the most friendless person one could be in this world was to be an innocent priest accused of pedophilia.

    Sabrina Erdely won many awards and was held in high esteem for her “journalism”. Until Richard Bradley, Steve Sailer, and many of us losers around here got a hold of “A Rape on Campus”, she was flying high and wrecking so much havoc. We got demeaned and called every name in the book when we started looking into it, but we persisted in following our intuition and the facts.

    Sabrina Rubin Erdely still would be a well-regarded and highly active journalist if it hadn’t been for all of us. There are others there just like her, and everyone has been served notice.

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  170. Hosswire says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’d say they are, in most cases, exactly the same thing. That’s at the core of what is going on. The people pushing this agenda would like to make attempted seduction of females in the workplace a crime.
     
    Yes, but there is nearly always something furtive about these attemtps, for example the man is usually married and is not openly asking the woman to go on a date, but trying to get something on the side when away from home--basically trying to treat acquaintances like prostitutes.

    I am no celebrity, except in my own imagination, but I have had a long romantic career with more marriages and relationships, some long term and some quite casual, than I care to remember, and I am no Warren Beatty, but depending on where you meet a woman, you simply have to observe various steps to seduction, and not just lunge in and grab her crotch.

    For example, if meeting someone in the workplace, it has to be established if they would be interested in meeting you alone away from the workplace, even if it is only for lunch, and if that step is negotiated, then conversation can be steered to more personal topics, eye contact measured, and further baby flirtation steps taken without risking exposure.

    With a bit of practice the early steps can be negotiated very quickly, but it is foolish to skip steps. The first touch might be on the hand, and then on the arm to measure how receptive the target is to being manhandled.

    Clearly many of these guys have made unsolicited and unreciprocated approaches in a clumsy manner and have ignored the steps system that all mammal species use, regardless of how brief. In some cases alcohol might have been a factor.

    Gwyneth Paltrow once complained that English men were very shy about dating and would invite a woman to go on a date with his male friends, however I realized later that she must have been talking about when she first met her future husband Chris Martin of Coldplay in London--a nerd not known as a ladies man at all--and that he must have been very cautious about showing sexual intent towards the ex-gf of Brad Pitt and making a fool of himself.

    Reader, she married him.

    Yes, there is a process to seducing women in a way that produces failure or success without drama or resentment.
    However, this process has two problems for big shots:
    1) The woman can still reject him. Which stings. Imagine scheming & clawing your way up the greasy showbiz or political pole, just to get rejected by some clueless 19 year old, who goes on to bone some dimwit meathead. Ouch.
    2) It takes time. Meetings. Phone calls. Texts. Conversations. What a drag.
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  171. @Anon 2
    Al Franken's resignation is reminiscent of the
    resignation of Bob Filner, mayor of San Diego, in
    2013, on multiple charges of sexual harassment,
    although the allegations against Filner were more
    severe. Bob Filner is Jewish.

    At least on the West Coast there seems to be an interesting
    trend which may augur what the future holds
    in this country: Jewish politicians are being replaced
    by Asian politicians. Two examples:

    - In the 33rd Congressional District (Santa Monica,
    West LA, etc) Ted Lieu replaced a long-term Congressman
    Henry Waxman;

    - In the Senate Kamala Harris replaced Barbara Boxer;

    which brings an interesting question: are Asian politicians
    (esp. East Asian) now perceived as more moral and less likely
    to be beset by scandals than Jewish politicians? Or is this
    part of the Great Replacement?

    In academia already Jewish professors are being replaced
    en masse by Asian professors, esp. in STEM disciplines
    but not only.

    Not just on the West Coast – Anthony Weiner’s Queens House seat, which Chuck Schumer previously held, is now occupied by a Chinese woman Grace Meng.

    And the Chinese are supplanting Jews in the entertainment biz – in fact, after these scandals, I’d expect Chinese power to fully replace Jewish power. Not surprising with the studios falling under Chinese ownership.

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    I agree. I think in the next few decades the Chinese and
    the East Indians (and the offspring of their marriages with
    blacks like Kamala Harris) will supplant the Jews in the
    Democratic Party.

    The Jews came here from Eastern Europe (primarily from
    the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, later roughly
    coincident in Russia with the Pale of Settlement because
    the Russians were desperately trying to prevent the Jews
    from moving to Moscow and St. Petersburg) only 120-130 years ago,
    and it's amazing how quickly they're already losing their reputation
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  172. I’m shocked SHOCKED that a professional comedy writer would be a goofball.

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  173. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    The real question that should be asked is why there are so many otherwise very successful middle-aged men who ought to know better making fools of themselves with clumsy passes at the help. Can't we find some better way of helping them get their sexual desires met in a socially acceptable way?

    Perhaps Congress needs to charter a jet to make quarterly fact-finding trips to Thailand to investigate the state of the sex tourism industry. And there ought to be an enquiry into the effects of Viagra on the libidos of old fools. Was it not a politician, Bob Dole, who started all this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBdgpjnKInA

    The advertisement is interesting, but why does his wife not appear with him to testify to the efficacy of the little blue pill? When will they come for Bob Dole. Time is running out fast.


    And was Jerusalem builded here,
    Among these dark Satanic Mills?
     
    [William Blake: Tyger Publishing Inc., 1808]

    And what happened to that discussion thread? There are dark forces at work.


    Bring me my Chariot of fire!
     

    There are thousands of very pretty, youngish disease free escort girls in DC. But they cost money. The grabbing isn’t really a sexual come on. It’s more like middle school boys at the school bus stop.

    What normal adult man would just grab a co worker in an elevator? But liberals aren’t normal.

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  174. Alden says:
    @dr kill
    Kennedys have trouble with all modes of transportation, from PT boats to B17s to Piper Saratogas to downhill skis to 1967 Delmont 88's to Jeep Cherokees to treadmills.

    I suppose they should have just walked.

    Or not be drunk when driving cars, skiing, sailing, flying planes, biking or on any mode of transit

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  175. @joeyjoejoe
    "Sexual assault isn’t about sex it is about power"

    Yet another feminist talking point that makes absolutely no sense.

    If sexual assault were about power rather than sex, there wouldn't be any sexual assault. The assaulters would just walk around punching women in the nose-easier, easier to get away with, and less punishment if caught.

    joe

    “Sexual assault isn’t about sex it is about power”

    Yet another feminist talking point that makes absolutely no sense.

    That saying is melodramatically overstated as a blanket rule (and echoes some second-wave “radical feminists” aka feminazis who implied that all straight sex is akin to rape), but there is truth to the slogan in that some perpetrators are not just motivated by “sex”; their exercise of power over an unwilling victim is an intrinsic part of the turn-on.*

    Also, the slogan considers the victim’s perception of power. Let’s put it this way—what would make you feel more powerless: Being sucker-punched by a thug who runs away and escapes while you nurse a broken jaw, or being held down in an alley while two huge trannys sodomize you (but break no bones/rip no colon)? Even with less physical damage, I’m pretty sure the latter would have more of a negative effect on your psyche (unless you’re into that sort of thing NTTAWWT hahaha).

    *For example, Harvey Weinstein (allegedly) forcing a young dancer down on a bed and jerking off on her seems more to be a power play of humiliation and domination. Like he gets off not simply because the victim is desirable, but because she is being helplessly degraded and has no recourse (or so he thought). NYT:

    Some women whom the producer allegedly targeted describe assistants manipulating them with chilling detachment. In 2004, when Ashley Matthau was a dancer in a Weinstein film, she said his assistant ushered her into a car, told her that the meeting with the producer was for business purposes and then waited outside a hotel room. There, she said, Mr. Weinstein pushed her on a bed and masturbated on her. When she walked out, the assistant was waiting. Ms. Matthau began to cry, but the woman “wouldn’t even acknowledge me,” she said. “It just seemed like a well-oiled machine.” She later reached a settlement with Mr. Weinstein.

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  176. I guess I’d feel sorrier for Franken if they hadn’t manufactured found 300 votes in multiple recounts to put him in the Senate.

    BTW, he didn’t actually resign … he merely said he intended to resign in the coming weeks.

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  177. @Stan Adams
    Michael Kennedy was even dumber than John-John.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_LeMoyne_Kennedy

    Kennedy died on December 31, 1997, in a skiing accident in Aspen Mountain, Colorado. He was playing football while on skis with several other members of the Kennedy family when at approximately 4:15 p.m. he hit a tree. Kennedy was not wearing a helmet or other safety equipment. Some have stated that the family had been previously warned by the ski patrol to cease the activity. Others have stated that the ski patrol issued no such warnings. Following the accident Kennedy was taken to Aspen Valley Hospital where he was pronounced dead at 5:50 p.m.
     
    Who plays football on skis? (I'm from Miami, so I don't know if it's a Thing or not.)

    An avid skier, I’m trying to sort out how one plays football on skis.

    I presume they weren’t actually playing football, but rather playing catch with a football whilst skiing downhill. Dangerous and stupid as Hell, since attention should be singularly on skiing to avoid obstacles, etc. If they’d been goofing this way in a flat area, or even a bunny slope, I can see it … but in that case I cannot fathom death from hitting a tree (there wouldn’t be sufficient speed and force).

    In any event, skiing without a helmet is monumentally stupid, football aside.

    Edit: Yep, dumbasses:

    “A family friend who is an expert skier said he had once been invited to play the football game, but after watching, he said, he was scared off.

    ‘It is very, very dangerous,’ said the friend, who declined to be identified. ‘They divide the mountain into fields with the next goal being a tree or a sign. Whoever gets to the ball, gets a point and gets to throw the ball again. They don’t play with poles; they give them to somebody else.’”

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  178. Under the rules of the far-left, feminist, SJW lunatics, a white male can be crucified any time, for anything deemed inappropriate. Franken may have been railroaded but that is how those nice people roll. Tough luck Al. You got your just desserts by affiliating with DNC psychopaths.

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  179. Veracitor says:
    @rogue-one
    Franken was a huge supporter of "always believe the women." I am sure he meant when they accused others, not him.

    I feel a certain schadenfreude in watching him devoured by the monster he created.

    Of course Franken said you should “believe the women.” He would know, wouldn’t he?

    Everybody projects, including jerks. Franken doesn’t seem too intellectual, so he probably doesn’t spend much time thinking beyond his own reflexes.

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  180. Yngvar says:

    I vaguely remember reading or hearing a similar phrase, somewhere, in another context. Is this some kind of test Mr. Sailer?

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  181. JimB says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    JimB, In political power congressmen don't equal senators. Franken barely won his election. Don't think the dems want to risk losing when they run Ellison for a full term.

    Your math is impeccable, but the CBC reckons things a bit differently.

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  182. Anon 2 says:
    @Hare Krishna
    Not just on the West Coast - Anthony Weiner's Queens House seat, which Chuck Schumer previously held, is now occupied by a Chinese woman Grace Meng.

    And the Chinese are supplanting Jews in the entertainment biz - in fact, after these scandals, I'd expect Chinese power to fully replace Jewish power. Not surprising with the studios falling under Chinese ownership.

    I agree. I think in the next few decades the Chinese and
    the East Indians (and the offspring of their marriages with
    blacks like Kamala Harris) will supplant the Jews in the
    Democratic Party.

    The Jews came here from Eastern Europe (primarily from
    the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, later roughly
    coincident in Russia with the Pale of Settlement because
    the Russians were desperately trying to prevent the Jews
    from moving to Moscow and St. Petersburg) only 120-130 years ago,
    and it’s amazing how quickly they’re already losing their reputation

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  183. Simon says:

    From the most recent Daily Mail article on what Roy Moore allegedly did 40 years ago to Beverly Nelson:

    << ‘Is the party more important, really, than what happened?’ she asked, claiming her story is being ‘swept under the rug, literally,’ because Moore is a Republican running in a deep-red state. >>

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but: Duh!

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  184. gunner29 says:
    @Michaeloh59
    Rule 4:
    "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
    Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

    Also

    I, for one, welcome the Democrats new, browner Overlords.

    I, for one, welcome the Democrats new, browner Overlords.

    This is the one good aspect of what the leftys are up to. The browner and femaler they get, the less effective they’ll be. I’ve been around them for 5 decades and they’ve never had a clue….

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  185. trutherator says: • Website
    @Meretricious
    Steve, sexual harassment is not Franken's problem: he's an asshole sexist, something that is TOXIC to the identitarian Dem brand. Kiss his ass goodbye

    Like Bill Clinton, and how they tossed him out on his behind.

    The Identity warriors, SJWs, BLM, identity “anti-male” feminists, the hate speech censors, they all share in common a hate for Christians and for the values that are legacies of the former Christian culture. What they share even more importantly is to insist that everyone subscribe to the same subservience to orders on how to think from, em, whoever it is that is behind the curtain.

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  186. trutherator says: • Website
    @Dahlia

    Given that one of the major predictors of political liberalism is low Big 5 Conscientiousness (i.e. lack of self control), what we are seeing is exactly what personality research would predict.
     
    Isn't that the truth, Thursday!

    You're great on this, what do you know about loyalty and fellow-feeling? One of the saddest things to witness is the cold ruthlessness with which some of these "beloved" men have been dumped.

    Garrison Keillor's were utterly mundane, yet this revered man on the Left had his decades-old archive disappeared and his show renamed. No scintilla of due process or giving him a fair hearing. Completely reviled and unpersoned in two seconds.

    I understand that one of Al Franken's "accusers" is accusing him of touching her waist. He's obnoxious and a badly behaving jerk, but like so many others, he's having the mundane rolled in with...the slightly less mundane.

    Roy Moore's "accusers" are a women who went on consensual dates when teens or early twenties, above the age of consent. Rolled in and sexing these up is a Sabrina Erdely-tier accusation (and another that quickly fell apart: Allred-yearbook).

    Precious few people have taken the time to parse these one-by-one. Or acknowledge how utterly trivial most of them are. You can't hear the facts above all the SCREECHING.

    I can't believe Keillor, or any of these men, would have made being progressive a core part of their identity if lack of loyalty and fellow feeling was intrinsic. Instead, this appears to be an utterly mindless hysteria.

    The yearbook accuser admitted that she lied about the DA signature, but wait, believe her on the slander.

    About the “14-year old”, her boyfriend of the same time says she’s lying about it, her stepson says she’s lying.

    The rest of them were of age, and the SJW’s are making yet another normal attraction by guys to younger girls as if it were sin. Such self-righteous holier-than-thou hypocrites. They really just hate the Christianity of it all. They hate Christ.

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